**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 12 03:00:07 2008 Feb 12 03:00:28 oh...I found a ROM, I'm just apparently not 1337 enough to make the emulation work Feb 12 03:01:18 Be nice if the Newton just had a decent web browser. Feb 12 03:01:48 that really is what the NITs actually bring to the party vs anything else in the same size range... Feb 12 03:02:09 (the Sony UX is *not* in the same size range...) Feb 12 03:02:15 It freaks me out a little every time I use it. Feb 12 03:02:22 Web browser? There was no web then! Feb 12 03:02:34 Sure there was Feb 12 03:02:41 It was only the mid-90s. :P Feb 12 03:02:51 Was it? Dang. Feb 12 03:02:53 I was even *using* the web then... O_o Feb 12 03:03:13 * GeneralAntilles was on AOL. Feb 12 03:03:29 my cousin owned and operated a dialup ISP :) Feb 12 03:03:42 I can't remember who bought him out... Feb 12 03:04:49 * SDuensin was on the web very early, too. Ran two ISPs. Feb 12 03:06:39 It's really funny to see how long the StrongARM stuck around as the de-facto PDA CPU Feb 12 03:07:22 Does the job well. Feb 12 03:08:13 but seriously, from 1997 - 2003 or so? Feb 12 03:08:20 that's a *long* run Feb 12 03:08:21 * milhouse misses bulletin boards over a 2400 baud dial-up... :) Feb 12 03:08:40 2400? First one I ran took calls at 110. Feb 12 03:08:47 peasant. Feb 12 03:08:56 :) Feb 12 03:09:16 I enjoy *memories* of the past...but really, the past sucked Feb 12 03:09:31 BBS' had a charm about them Feb 12 03:09:41 BBSs were a good thing. Nice local community. Had to be smart to get to them. Feb 12 03:09:47 that's why we use irssi (and alike) nowadays ;) Feb 12 03:09:49 Natural moron filter. :-) Feb 12 03:10:11 * johnx still misses the primarily text-based web from time to time Feb 12 03:10:23 I paid almost 400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth extra... no really it was. Feb 12 03:10:43 s/worth extra/worth the extra/ Feb 12 03:10:44 milhouse meant: I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was. Feb 12 03:10:44 milhouse meant: I paid almost 400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was. Feb 12 03:10:54 hmmm... repetition Feb 12 03:11:15 i recently watched the bbs documentary.. really brought up alot of old memories ;) Feb 12 03:11:25 Almost $800 for my Dual Standard. That was crazy. Feb 12 03:11:34 I'd really like to see that documentary (God I'm sad!) Feb 12 03:11:38 * johnx didn't even have his own computer until 1998 :) Feb 12 03:11:53 I actually should watch that too... Feb 12 03:12:00 It was a complete rip off when I think back, but it was the only modem compatible with my Sinclair QL! :) Feb 12 03:12:10 which means this was about 1984-1985 Feb 12 03:12:33 Sinclair? What side of the pond are you on? Feb 12 03:12:37 UK Feb 12 03:12:41 er... right hand side Feb 12 03:12:51 * jott had a cpc 464 back then Feb 12 03:13:06 * SDuensin is surrounded! Feb 12 03:13:08 Oooh Amstrad... boo hiss Feb 12 03:13:25 it was actually a "Schneider" here in germany ;) Feb 12 03:13:30 oops Feb 12 03:13:40 nope, no betas Feb 12 03:14:04 I cut my teeth on MC68K assembler... those were the days. I then saw Intel X86 assembler and vomitted on the spot. Feb 12 03:14:10 Haha. I remember drooling over the 14.4k modem my dad had for his work computer in the early nineties. Feb 12 03:15:25 Warzone2100 running in 800x480 now Feb 12 03:15:33 tak you might enjoy this one Feb 12 03:15:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141304#post141304 Feb 12 03:16:13 hmm, how are you guys in germany liking the current social and political situation? Feb 12 03:17:01 Wow. Warzone looks cool. Feb 12 03:17:28 solmumaha did the packaging (well) Feb 12 03:18:07 Tak no comment on that from me Feb 12 03:18:57 heh, seriously Feb 12 03:19:14 my fiancée got a job offer in berlin Feb 12 03:20:42 i like berlin :) Feb 12 03:22:47 Tak: well the social and political situation is quite ok in an international context, still enough to rant about (and thats not declining ;-) Feb 12 03:23:33 i suppose it depends on what you are used to anyway... Feb 12 03:24:13 I'm just wondering like - I wouldn't advise anybody to move to the US right now... Feb 12 03:24:40 Gee, Tak - why not? We can't get any MORE screwed up! :-P Feb 12 03:24:56 Plenty of cheap houses available... :) Feb 12 03:24:58 at least not from a developed nation Feb 12 03:25:32 SDuensin: you're more optimistic than I am Feb 12 03:25:35 as if the US would let anyone in Feb 12 03:25:59 US housing is pretty messed up - so many properties lying empty and derelict... entire neighbourhoods decimated. not good. Feb 12 03:26:24 milhouse: yeah - particularly bad here in fl Feb 12 03:26:34 Australia and Canada would be my choices Feb 12 03:27:24 Well gang, I'm going to bed. I'm sure I'll be back. Loving the N800 so far! Feb 12 03:27:36 and New Zealand ;-) Feb 12 03:27:47 is it that bad in america.. Feb 12 03:27:52 doesn't seem to be to me. Feb 12 03:28:02 america fecking rocks. Feb 12 03:28:15 pssh, as if nz would let anybody in :-p Feb 12 03:28:41 Holy hell, pupnik, this is awesome. :D Feb 12 03:30:08 yeah and it's even fun to play Feb 12 03:30:59 hey, at least noone points any machine guns at you at the airport and treats you like a criminal Feb 12 03:31:59 the told me they point guns at me because they care! Feb 12 03:32:10 heh...actually i haven't seen that recently Feb 12 03:32:11 not a big fan of car bombs. Feb 12 03:32:18 I thought they were filled with candy Feb 12 03:32:50 hey...NZ, wasn't that where some crazy lady tried to hijack a plane the other day? Feb 12 03:33:06 yeah... had to be sedated Feb 12 03:33:19 which sounds really scary Feb 12 03:33:28 * Tak => ramones Feb 12 03:33:41 Tak, :D Feb 12 03:33:53 yeah, someone from Liberia or so who was known to have mental issues... Feb 12 03:34:22 they also smuggled a knife and a fake bomb onto a domestic flight a couple of days ago Feb 12 03:34:29 i wonder how they sedated her - swift punch to the face? not sure I could have brought myself to do it to a woman, although if she was threatening to take us all with her I guess it would have come easier Feb 12 03:34:46 but then, they did the same in Amsterdam Feb 12 03:35:04 milhouse, she had a knife, was making a bomb threat and stabbing at people Feb 12 03:35:05 lock em up, lose the key Feb 12 03:35:08 i would'be punched her. Feb 12 03:35:26 i guess i would have punched her :) Feb 12 03:35:27 well, she stabbed by the pilot and the co-pilot Feb 12 03:35:33 I wouldn't have...might get my hand cut...I would've kicked her Feb 12 03:35:46 lol Feb 12 03:35:57 s/by/both/ Feb 12 03:35:57 z00m1n meant: well, she stabbed both the pilot and the co-pilot Feb 12 03:36:12 They need to do away with the farcical security at airports. Feb 12 03:36:20 though the US TSA is pretty ridiculous lately... Feb 12 03:36:29 I will allow for that much Feb 12 03:36:33 indeed Feb 12 03:36:52 alot of bigger issues happening around the world.....I don't think we need to worry much about how screwed up the politics in america are. Feb 12 03:36:53 I think the biggest change since 9/11 is that passengers now know that the stakes have changed. Feb 12 03:36:53 lucky it wasn't a US flight with an air marshall... they'd have been ventilated Feb 12 03:36:56 in 8/2001, I carried a pocketknife on an international flight Feb 12 03:37:03 I'm not looking forward to the fiasco with our tablets Feb 12 03:37:05 I didn't hijack anything, either Feb 12 03:37:08 and that more than anything will prevent hijackings. Feb 12 03:37:47 unique311: that's an incredibly myopic perspective Feb 12 03:38:03 * johnx wants high speed, trans-oceanic trains :/ Feb 12 03:38:14 Sounds expensive. Feb 12 03:38:30 elb: but now it's A POST 9/11 WORLD!!!!! Feb 12 03:38:42 !!!!! Feb 12 03:38:55 * Tak wants trained, ultrasonic dolphins Feb 12 03:39:05 pew pew! Feb 12 03:39:06 mmmm...dolphin meat Feb 12 03:39:09 I thought the US Navy already had those? :) Feb 12 03:39:59 And in Seaquest DSV they had one which could talk (RIP Roy Schnieder) Feb 12 03:43:17 go navy. Feb 12 03:45:22 Go Flipper. Feb 12 03:48:34 there was a dolphin boy in Sealab 2021 Feb 12 03:48:37 I'm not sure if that's related Feb 12 03:49:25 I think Jonny Quest was molested by a dolphin once... Feb 12 03:50:03 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/02/14/wdolph14.jpg <-- navy dolphin in action Feb 12 03:50:08 wow Feb 12 03:50:54 enlisted or officers.....wonder if they get paid. Feb 12 03:51:27 oh, I'm sure they get paid...in fish Feb 12 04:12:37 OK - trying an earlier question again: Are there any media players other than kagu which support scrobbling and Ogg? Feb 12 04:14:31 UKMP appears to Feb 12 04:14:41 i've never used last.fm myself Feb 12 04:15:06 Don't listen to enough music on my tablet to really make last.fm that important. Feb 12 04:15:17 Vagalume is wonderful, though. Feb 12 04:15:22 indeed Feb 12 04:15:56 if I could import my employer's wpa cert, I'd use vagalume all day long Feb 12 04:17:33 there isn't a DSP ogg codec yet, is there? Feb 12 04:17:59 the last time i played oggs for a while, it drained by battery Feb 12 04:19:03 battery life is a small price to play for ogg support you DRM non free loving bad person man! Feb 12 04:19:13 :P Feb 12 04:19:39 I think lardman is developing one Feb 12 04:19:55 ogg vorbis can be DRM'ed, just that no one is interested in implementing it Feb 12 04:54:06 leif__: thanks for the tip Feb 12 04:57:08 GeneralAntilles, Tak: last.fm is a biggie for me - i am pretty compulsive with my music listening. Check out the global tag radio "awesome guitar jams" in Vagalume sometime... ;-) Feb 12 04:57:43 yes, me too Feb 12 05:05:19 hrmrm Feb 12 05:07:53 Release, release, release! Feb 12 05:07:56 If we hit recession and our value tanks, all of those houses are going to be full of immigrants in a hurry. Feb 12 05:08:16 if? Feb 12 05:08:20 .. when. Feb 12 05:08:20 and/or I might have some prospect of purchasing a house in my lifetime Feb 12 05:08:44 Hurry in political terms -- a term or two. :P Feb 12 05:09:08 Open the floodgates on H1B.. Feb 12 05:09:24 Give credits for home buyers. Feb 12 05:09:45 ++, johnx. Feb 12 05:09:47 GeneralAntilles: Error: "+," is not a valid command. Feb 12 05:11:05 Or not. Just thinking aloud. Feb 12 05:11:54 I spent a few months in India back in 2001, and there were no shortage of people with plenty of money wanting to move but unable to acquire a visa. Feb 12 05:12:29 GeneralAntilles: working on it now :) Feb 12 05:12:40 GeneralAntilles: was trying to plan a date ^_^ Feb 12 05:12:46 Sounds fun. Feb 12 05:12:56 fysa, I seriously think we should just open the borders Feb 12 05:13:09 WITH the understanding that non-citizens wont receive welfare support. Feb 12 05:13:51 Not the borders per-say. But we have plenty of lines of already-employed/married/engaged and just waiting to get into the country. Feb 12 05:14:08 agree with generalantilles Feb 12 05:14:25 These are people that can support themselves. L1, K visas, H1B, etc. . if my wife would have went back to Hong Kong before we married, there would have been a wait of several years to get her back in. Feb 12 05:14:57 The processes in place just need to be opened and sped up. Feb 12 05:15:05 Processing times of 3-5 years is insanity. Feb 12 05:15:18 Yessir. Feb 12 05:15:32 Which is why we should save the billions of wasted tax dollars and open 'er up. Feb 12 05:15:41 Anyway.. that's the outcome I'm hoping on and seems reasonable long-term. Feb 12 05:17:04 GeneralAntilles: what is the range on the volume BTW? :P Feb 12 05:17:17 Hardware or icons? Feb 12 05:17:46 Assuming icons: m-5 Feb 12 05:17:47 6 total Feb 12 05:18:00 My recommendation would be to change m to 0 and increment the rest by 1. Feb 12 05:18:05 Assuming that's easier. Feb 12 05:18:10 right Feb 12 05:18:14 i meant hardware tho :P Feb 12 05:18:19 is it 0-255? Feb 12 05:18:26 Good question Feb 12 05:18:31 What did you use for the one I have? Feb 12 05:18:39 i havent done it yet? Feb 12 05:18:41 or... what? Feb 12 05:18:54 i just passed the values straight through :P Feb 12 05:18:54 You gave me a .so with a volume slider! Feb 12 05:18:55 never looked at it Feb 12 05:19:01 Worked great. Feb 12 05:19:03 lol Feb 12 05:19:05 yes i know Feb 12 05:19:14 but for figuring out which icon to use :P Feb 12 05:19:19 Oh Feb 12 05:19:21 Huh Feb 12 05:19:22 Dunno Feb 12 05:19:24 lol Feb 12 05:19:27 Play with numbers until it fits-ish? Feb 12 05:20:11 yeah i'm gonna Feb 12 05:20:44 What the hell did they do to the university's SSH. <_< Feb 12 05:20:52 tab-completion and arrow keys don't work anymore. Feb 12 05:21:12 lol Feb 12 05:21:21 you in bash? or did it drop you to sh Feb 12 05:21:28 or something worse >_> Feb 12 05:21:28 GeneralAntilles, either they changed your default shell or they messed up their bash installation Feb 12 05:21:32 try running bash :P Feb 12 05:21:43 i wrote a shell for my OS class :) it's neat Feb 12 05:21:44 sorta Feb 12 05:21:49 YMHash Feb 12 05:21:56 johnx: i should send that to you :P Feb 12 05:21:58 Hmm . . . there may have been a notice. Feb 12 05:22:01 * GeneralAntilles scrolls up. Feb 12 05:22:26 Ah, there we go. Feb 12 05:22:32 I guess it was in ksh for some reason. . . . Feb 12 05:26:54 well, time to try this out :) Feb 12 05:27:08 has anyone tried one of those AA phone charger on a N800? Feb 12 05:27:36 I'm sure Feb 12 05:27:45 Seems like there's been a thread or three on them on ITT. Feb 12 05:28:45 ds3: i have one that i was going to try Feb 12 05:28:59 ds3: the altoids tin 2xAA to USB one Feb 12 05:29:00 :) Feb 12 05:29:16 havent gotten around to buying the USB charge cable for my n800 yet tho >_> Feb 12 05:29:49 how do you get the altoids tin to put out 5.5V? Feb 12 05:50:04 the circuitry? Feb 12 05:50:13 i dunno... not an engineer :P Feb 12 05:50:22 i bought it from a DIY site Feb 12 05:50:22 some batteries and a voltage regulator ... or magic altoids Feb 12 05:52:28 I dunno about your USB, but mine is 5V ;-) Feb 12 05:52:46 hence, voltage regulator Feb 12 05:52:48 oh thought you were building it from the plans on lady ada's site Feb 12 05:52:48 I suspect the power supply in the N810 is switching, anyway, and probably isn't too picky about its input voltage Feb 12 05:53:04 johnx: right, I understand that -- ds3 asked about 5.5V ;-) Feb 12 05:53:11 the N800 won't charge at 5V Feb 12 05:53:14 ah, missed that. oops Feb 12 05:53:17 it wants 5.5V to charge Feb 12 05:53:42 will it really not charge at all on 5V? Feb 12 05:53:55 that is correct Feb 12 05:54:00 is this speculation or confirmed? Feb 12 05:54:03 none of the nokia things will charge at 5V Feb 12 05:54:14 this is observations from my experiments Feb 12 05:54:40 just wanted to checl :) Feb 12 05:54:40 ds3: interesting, because my wall wort claims to be 5V Feb 12 05:54:44 tested: 56xx series phone, 6130 phone, N800, 770. none of them will say charging Feb 12 05:54:52 elb: yes, it is very odd Feb 12 05:54:54 wart Feb 12 05:55:06 I'm doubting it, frankly Feb 12 05:55:18 people have reported success charging their N810 off USB ports Feb 12 05:55:24 and USB ports put out 5V by specification Feb 12 05:55:33 applying exactly 5V to it will cause the device to detect a charger is plugged in but then a few seconds later, it will say "Not Charging" Feb 12 05:55:39 are you sure you just didn't have enough amperage at 5V? Feb 12 05:56:00 wow, the first hit for 'altoids tin usb' is a *horrid* design Feb 12 05:56:02 GeneralAntilles: close! Feb 12 05:56:06 elb: note you said N810... think they changed it to charge at 5.0V for the microUSB connector Feb 12 05:56:09 two 9V in parallel ... in series with two AAs Feb 12 05:56:27 it doesn't charge off the microUSB connector Feb 12 05:56:33 elb: positive, one of my experiment is with a source that can put out 2A (a Li battery + 5V step up) Feb 12 05:56:35 it has the same charger plug as the new Nokia phones Feb 12 05:56:44 ds3: yes, my Motorola phone is the same Feb 12 05:56:54 ds3: will only charge on 5.5, not 5.0 :( Feb 12 05:57:01 annoying as all hell Feb 12 05:57:02 rm_you: the Linux ones or others? Feb 12 05:57:07 v360 Feb 12 05:57:11 so, others Feb 12 05:57:42 ah.. donno enough about those to comment; I know the Linux ones will take a charge at 5V if the resistor things are programmed right Feb 12 05:58:40 elb: Using another battery pack, sold as a phone charger, it charges and a meter measurement puts the voltage at about 5.7-5.8V; this one works Feb 12 06:03:18 interesting Feb 12 06:13:36 rm_you, are you fetching icons from hardcoded paths still or getting themed ones now? Feb 12 06:13:59 hardcoded >_> Feb 12 06:14:04 leif__: they arent standard anymore Feb 12 06:14:10 leif__: the applet has its own Feb 12 06:14:19 ah Feb 12 06:14:31 which could easily be replaced with a theme specifically for the applet... Feb 12 06:14:47 but thanks to GeneralAntilles it now has a lot more specific levels Feb 12 06:14:56 beta will be out shortly Feb 12 06:14:59 it looks *nice* Feb 12 06:15:10 just working out one final math issue Feb 12 06:15:11 so the full paths to the hicolor directory aren't hardcoded? Feb 12 06:15:23 leif__: they are... Feb 12 06:15:51 but now the icons used are /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/adv-backlight-icon-* Feb 12 06:15:54 .pn g Feb 12 06:16:35 I've not done much gtk programming, so I'm not sure exactly how to do this, but there is a way to get the adv-backlight-icon-* files while letting the system decide if you get hicolor or the current icon theme Feb 12 06:16:59 no hildon themes actually set an icon theme though, except for lcars Feb 12 06:17:26 and lcars doesn't include any icons for 3rd party applets currently Feb 12 06:17:50 but if you make the icons themeable, maybe a future version will Feb 12 06:18:03 well Feb 12 06:18:22 at the moment, the icons that come with the package could just be replaced by custom ones... Feb 12 06:18:25 >_> Feb 12 06:18:58 i could just make it depend on a virtual package "advanced-backlight-icons" or something that could be filled by either the default icon package or something else? :P Feb 12 06:19:25 yeah, that is how lcars always replaced icons before, but in the 4.0 release we realized we could actually theme the statusbar icons properly Feb 12 06:19:31 hrm Feb 12 06:19:34 er, replacing them is how Feb 12 06:19:38 with dpkg-divert Feb 12 06:19:41 well, if you want to consult with me :P Feb 12 06:19:56 GeneralAntilles: did you go to sleep or something? >_> Feb 12 06:20:08 * GeneralAntilles is watching South Park. Feb 12 06:20:21 ah Feb 12 06:20:58 likewise, if your package wants to include icons for different themes, it can... just put some in /usr/share/icons/hicolor, some in .../icons/lcars-padd/ etc Feb 12 06:21:14 the two lcars themes have separate icon sets, but they are identical except for one icon Feb 12 06:25:32 rm_you, the function to get themed icons is gtk_icon_theme_load_icon Feb 12 06:26:35 Hello Feb 12 06:26:49 leif__: hrm... ok... >_> not sure how to use that tho Feb 12 06:26:54 GeneralAntilles: beta release! :P Feb 12 06:27:10 yeah, me neither :/ Feb 12 06:27:17 leif__, you don't mind if I use the LCARS brightness and volume applet icons to work up an LCARS adv-backlight icon, do you? Feb 12 06:27:35 no, please do! Feb 12 06:30:59 what is the root password on OS2007 HE? Feb 12 06:33:29 anyone? Feb 12 06:33:41 rootme Feb 12 06:33:48 or something like that Feb 12 06:33:51 not sure Feb 12 06:34:07 I just remember it sounded su=illy Feb 12 06:34:10 *silly Feb 12 06:34:26 a site says rootme, but it doesn't work Feb 12 06:34:47 corevette, are you trying to su or ssh in? Feb 12 06:34:56 su Feb 12 06:35:11 johnx: ^ Feb 12 06:35:14 GeneralAntilles: need a new icon for the main applet icon (the one in the panels menu) since it will be displaying on a pure white background Feb 12 06:35:24 in OS2007 for N800 the account is locked and you need to use becomeroot or install an ssh server to get root access Feb 12 06:35:27 YMMV Feb 12 06:35:48 Just B&W the all-full one? Feb 12 06:35:55 yeah prolly Feb 12 06:38:30 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon-preview.png Feb 12 06:43:10 oh... needs to be 26x26 Feb 12 06:43:19 >_> Feb 12 06:43:56 You have an image scaler over there, don't you? :P Feb 12 06:44:00 lol Feb 12 06:44:02 :P Feb 12 06:46:46 anyone try pairing the wiimote with 770 n800/810? Feb 12 06:47:33 i am getting this message from terminal (cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects) and don't know why... Feb 12 06:49:38 Well, the LCARS version is done. Feb 12 06:49:48 Just gotta save 40 some odd pngs now. <_< Feb 12 06:49:55 You scale the preview icon, rm_you? Feb 12 06:50:09 yes Feb 12 06:50:13 when i start canola2, i get 'illegal instruction' Feb 12 06:50:22 it's being a little @&^#! tho Feb 12 06:51:33 Howso? Feb 12 06:55:10 corevette, 770? Feb 12 06:55:17 yes inz Feb 12 06:55:53 it just won't choose the new icon Feb 12 06:56:05 i can switch it to whatever the hell icon i want besides the new one >_> Feb 12 06:56:09 corevette, N800 cpu has more features than the 770 one, so software specifically compiled for the N800 won't work on 770 Feb 12 06:56:19 corevette, even though they both can be "bora" Feb 12 06:56:39 corevette, so, in short, you're out of luck Feb 12 06:56:57 inz: .....they have a version out in beta for 2007HE Feb 12 06:59:57 corevette, did you install the gregale version or the bora version? Feb 12 07:00:04 corevette, Feb 12 07:00:11 oops Feb 12 07:00:13 inz: a good question :-) Feb 12 07:00:24 corevette, http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2008/02/01/canola2-beta2-is-out/ Feb 12 07:00:29 inz which should i install Feb 12 07:00:45 corevette, the gregale version Feb 12 07:01:16 trying a device reboot >_> Feb 12 07:01:17 corevette, and now that you have the "broken" ones installed, it is not enough to remove canola, you need to remove some EFL libraries also Feb 12 07:01:33 inz: on the bottom of this page? http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second_he.html Feb 12 07:02:37 corevette, if you didn't follow step #2, it won't work Feb 12 07:02:50 i did inz Feb 12 07:03:40 Weird, the illegal instruction would suggest otherwise Feb 12 07:04:39 inz: i just did apt-get install canola2 after step 2...should i have clicked on the link? Feb 12 07:07:13 inz is there a way i can just start fresh? Feb 12 07:07:45 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons-lcars.zip rm_you Feb 12 07:08:04 hhrm Feb 12 07:08:11 one thing at a time >_> Feb 12 07:08:19 i have NO idea how i am going to deal with those <_< Feb 12 07:09:18 corevette, hmm, actually apt-get install should work better than the install link Feb 12 07:09:21 inz: what was that command that automated the package update process? like doing the changelog and renaming stuff? Feb 12 07:09:46 corevette, but there's really no easy way to start clean (except reflashing) Feb 12 07:09:46 inz: yeah well it says 'ilegal instruction' Feb 12 07:09:53 rm_you, dch? Feb 12 07:10:00 ah thx Feb 12 07:10:11 inz: do you prefer os2007HE or os2006 Feb 12 07:10:24 corevette, don't have a 770 Feb 12 07:11:45 inz: i don't know what to do now Feb 12 07:14:38 corevette, I don't know all the dependencies of canola, so can't really help Feb 12 07:16:41 inz: one more question, how do i make my external memory card read/write, it's only read only right now Feb 12 07:16:42 inz, shouldn't removing canola in the app manager remove its dependencies too? Feb 12 07:16:49 i think so Feb 12 07:17:02 inz: if i have a bunch of files that need to go in a certain directory during the install... what do i do with them? Feb 12 07:17:19 leif__, afaik no, but not sure Feb 12 07:17:28 do i put them in mypackage/debian/mypackage/usr/share/whatever/ ? Feb 12 07:17:29 corevette, is it a sd card? Feb 12 07:17:46 yes inz Feb 12 07:18:15 corevette, do you have the write protection switch on? Feb 12 07:18:48 rm_you, yes and no, you tell someony to copy them there during the "install" phase Feb 12 07:18:51 inz: it looks like half of an SD card Feb 12 07:19:17 k >_> Feb 12 07:19:17 corevette, ahh, true, 770 had mini-SD, it doesn't have the switch, sorry Feb 12 07:19:36 corevette, no idea then Feb 12 07:20:05 rs-mmc Feb 12 07:20:13 General, right Feb 12 07:20:14 how do i make it writable Feb 12 07:20:15 If it's read-only, then it's corrupted. Feb 12 07:20:16 fsck it. Feb 12 07:20:29 how generalantilles Feb 12 07:21:22 rm_you, just edit the debian/rules and add the commands under the install: -target Feb 12 07:21:36 k Feb 12 07:21:48 rm_you, (or make your Makefile do less obtrusive make install ;) Feb 12 07:21:56 lol Feb 12 07:22:11 GeneralAntilles: how would i go about reformatting the memory card Feb 12 07:22:29 Assuming your data is backed up, just reformat it from the file manager. Feb 12 07:22:39 (may have to turn off swap if it's on) Feb 12 07:23:09 rm_you, if you get the hildon-desktop source there are lots of uses of gtk_icon_theme_load_icon you can look at Feb 12 07:26:43 GeneralAntilles: i press the format button and nothing happens Feb 12 07:26:58 Is it grayed? Feb 12 07:27:05 rm_you, also this might help: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.10/GtkIconTheme.html Feb 12 07:27:46 GeneralAntilles: no, i go to Memory Card -> (memory card name) -> format Feb 12 07:27:57 and i press yes and nothing happens generalantilles Feb 12 07:28:15 Dunno maybe an HE issue. Feb 12 07:28:26 Got a card reader you could stick it in? Feb 12 07:28:31 Or maybe try formatting over USB. Feb 12 07:28:47 rm, if you put the image under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/nxn/foo, you need to do gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor Feb 12 07:29:09 GeneralAntilles: how generalantilles, on linux Feb 12 07:29:16 GeneralAntilles: gparted? Feb 12 07:29:28 Dunno Feb 12 07:30:25 inz: i'm not understanding how this works... Feb 12 07:31:16 inz: how does it know to copy the files in "advanced-backlight-0.8/debian/tmp/usr/lib/" to "/usr/lib/" on the device? Feb 12 07:31:54 shouldn't I just be able to put more files in that directory and expect them to go to the right place? Feb 12 07:32:38 rm, ahh, I made it that way, you need to add the files (or a directory they're under) to debian/advanced-backlight.install Feb 12 07:32:49 ok i saw that... Feb 12 07:33:08 so the files are in debian/tmp/usr/share/blah/ Feb 12 07:33:09 rm, if you put the files directly there, dh_clean will delete them Feb 12 07:33:23 and the advanced-backlight.install has usr/share listed Feb 12 07:33:27 so shouldnt it already be working? Feb 12 07:33:37 ah Feb 12 07:34:45 rm_you, you're already copying a .desktop file into place in the install section in the Makefile (I'm looking at advanced-backlight-0.6) Feb 12 07:34:55 just copy other things the same way Feb 12 07:35:18 er the debian/rules file, I mean Feb 12 07:35:19 that makefile isn't actually used Feb 12 07:35:21 ah Feb 12 07:35:26 i am Feb 12 07:35:27 nie Feb 12 07:35:29 *now Feb 12 07:37:55 GeneralAntilles, anyone: beta: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.8-1_armel.deb Feb 12 07:38:21 wait Feb 12 07:38:42 i broke something random about it... sec Feb 12 07:40:38 ok, it's up again Feb 12 07:40:45 dunno why it does that, but it's not new Feb 12 07:41:16 it has a strange popup-placement bug that appears when i move it to the left of the cpu graph plugin >_> Feb 12 07:41:32 GeneralAntilles: which file system do i reformat it in Feb 12 07:41:45 vfat, I believe. Feb 12 07:41:50 Sweet making, rm_you. :D Feb 12 07:42:05 does it work nicely? Feb 12 07:42:50 Yeppers Feb 12 07:43:06 :P nice work on those icons Feb 12 07:43:20 i'll get around to dealing with LCARS themed ones soon, i guess... Feb 12 07:43:25 i need to sleep now though. Feb 12 07:43:37 i guess i'll put the new release up on garage tho :) Feb 12 07:44:05 i emailed them about an upload account for the extras repo (like they said to in their wiki) but no response yet in about a week :( Feb 12 07:44:06 ah well Feb 12 07:44:12 Ha Feb 12 07:44:18 Anyway, good work. Feb 12 07:44:19 rm_you, nice Feb 12 07:44:19 Thanks! Feb 12 07:44:25 :) Feb 12 07:44:39 the only thing missing (besides lcars icons :) is the sound when changing the volume Feb 12 07:44:47 yeah Feb 12 07:44:53 i wonder... Feb 12 07:45:06 rm, you have the cpu graph plugin on os2008? Feb 12 07:45:14 yes Feb 12 07:45:26 rm, you compiled it yerself? Feb 12 07:45:30 nope Feb 12 07:45:37 grabbed it from somewhere like 2 weeks ago Feb 12 07:45:37 <_< Feb 12 07:45:39 or 3 Feb 12 07:45:43 oh Feb 12 07:45:47 osso-statusbar-cpu has been available for a while. Feb 12 07:45:59 GeneralAntilles, nice icons btw Feb 12 07:46:19 Thanks! Half stolen from Nokia. :D Feb 12 07:46:38 General, I though I never compiled it for 2008 (although I surely ported it over to the new API) Feb 12 07:47:02 There's a deb out and about somewhere. Feb 12 07:47:06 isn't there more than one statusbar-cpu applet? Feb 12 07:47:29 i got the one i'm using (in 2008) from a maemo.org repo iirc Feb 12 07:48:06 there's 'load-applet' as well Feb 12 07:48:17 I think that's what it's called Feb 12 07:48:29 ah that is what i'm using Feb 12 07:48:40 osso-statusbar-cpu 0.6.1chinook1 Feb 12 07:48:56 General, any idea where it came from? Feb 12 07:50:53 Founds it Feb 12 07:50:58 http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/osso-statusbar-cpu/ Feb 12 07:51:21 Great that someone has compiled it Feb 12 07:51:29 Maybe I should do it too Feb 12 07:51:37 p'haps later Feb 12 07:53:59 'night, folks. Feb 12 07:55:57 whats a good method to get ip information of a connection? n800/os2007 Feb 12 07:56:29 no ifconfig in busybox :-( Feb 12 07:56:37 /sbin/ifconfig :P Feb 12 07:56:53 yeah? hmm Feb 12 07:56:55 let me guess, you're used to ubuntu? Feb 12 07:57:11 maybe my path is messed up Feb 12 07:57:28 /sbin isn't in user's path by default Feb 12 07:57:33 and shouldn't be Feb 12 07:57:36 nothing 'messed up' about that... Feb 12 07:57:39 good to know Feb 12 07:57:41 thanks Feb 12 07:57:45 sure Feb 12 07:58:00 there's also iphome if you want a nice GUI: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/2008/01/25#iphome05maemo4 Feb 12 07:58:06 disclaimer: haven't tried it Feb 12 07:58:08 musik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address) Feb 12 07:59:05 i use WifiInfo Feb 12 07:59:08 ahh, thanks for that too Feb 12 08:00:11 inz: where is that!? Feb 12 08:00:33 rm, where is what? Feb 12 08:00:42 musik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address) Feb 12 08:01:20 rm, er, it's "internet connection", not "connection", but anyway Feb 12 08:01:47 rm, start connection manager (under settings) and open menu, "internet connection"->"IP address" Feb 12 08:03:02 woah, never knew this app existed Feb 12 08:04:00 ah well... sleep Feb 12 08:04:01 rm, well, it is pretty useless app Feb 12 08:04:16 oh Feb 12 08:04:47 rm, there's pretty much nothing there that couldn't be done via the sb applet or control panel Feb 12 08:04:52 rm, (except the IP address) Feb 12 08:05:08 first... opinion: would it be better for this release to have the volume slider do NO Beep, or do a beep on change, but possibly do multiple beeps >_> Feb 12 08:05:29 whats a suggested text editor for the term or that can get access to sys files Feb 12 08:05:37 and by possibly, i mean almost certainly >_> Feb 12 08:05:37 musik, vi Feb 12 08:05:53 is vi in /usr/bin or downloadable? Feb 12 08:06:08 musik, in /bin, it's busybox built-in Feb 12 08:06:25 what is the verdict on OS 2007HE vs. OS 2006 Feb 12 08:06:48 great, thanks Feb 12 08:06:49 is there any particular reason why /sbin shouldn't be in non-root users' path? Feb 12 08:07:04 ... it's Sbin Feb 12 08:07:06 ? Feb 12 08:07:16 but lots of things in it work without being root... like ifconfig Feb 12 08:07:27 rm, do slider::changed { g_source_remove(timeout); timeout = g_timeout_add(500, pling, NULL); } Feb 12 08:07:34 leif: not really. except that programs there are deemed unnecessary for users to use. Feb 12 08:07:50 inz: it isn't a slider >_> Feb 12 08:08:03 err Feb 12 08:08:05 ok i see, nm Feb 12 08:08:06 rm, well, it something you get changed events from Feb 12 08:08:15 some programs in /sbin work as user but the rest are just cluttering your $PATH Feb 12 08:08:53 inz: what type is "timeout"? Feb 12 08:09:01 rm_you, guint, IIRC Feb 12 08:09:20 ... is that C? Feb 12 08:09:28 slider::changed looks like C++ >_> Feb 12 08:09:37 rm, it was pseudoish Feb 12 08:09:41 lol Feb 12 08:09:58 i'm not sure how to use these functions tho... Feb 12 08:10:05 so it gives me a timer? Feb 12 08:10:16 i guess i'll look up the API Feb 12 08:11:32 rm, yes, g_timeout_add gives you a timer, 500 milliseconds in this case Feb 12 08:11:49 rm, after which gboolean pling(gpointer) will be called Feb 12 08:12:07 rm, unless g_source_remove for the return value of g_timeout_add is called first Feb 12 08:12:53 hrm Feb 12 08:13:01 rm, be sure to make the pling() return FALSE, otherwise you will get plingplingplingplingpling... Feb 12 08:13:23 rm, and when pling() is called, it should set timeout = 0 Feb 12 08:13:38 this is too complicated for tonight <_< Feb 12 08:13:46 i will do it for the next release Feb 12 08:13:53 need my sleep <_< Feb 12 08:13:59 you need more caffeine Feb 12 08:14:04 lol Feb 12 08:14:09 maybe >_> Feb 12 08:14:13 or actual sleep Feb 12 08:14:16 Sleep is overrated Feb 12 08:14:34 s;eep is for the weak, you can sleep when you're dead :P Feb 12 08:16:09 or when you've run out of things to code Feb 12 08:16:20 (usually the same thing) Feb 12 08:17:08 lol yeah... Feb 12 08:20:14 * rm_you wears this shirt a lot: http://www.cafepress.com/mightycoder.33844517 Feb 12 08:21:24 * Tama^2 types: wget -o - http://www.cafepress.com/mightycoder.33844517 | gcc Feb 12 08:21:26 mmm Feb 12 08:21:46 I get something about 'awake' and write_code being undefined identifiers Feb 12 08:21:49 O,O Feb 12 08:21:54 ^_^ Feb 12 08:22:05 well, sleep time for me. so no more coding for a bit :P Feb 12 08:22:28 'night rm_you Feb 12 08:22:56 Tama, even if gcc supported stdin, you would get syntax errors, gcc probably doesn't understand wget log format Feb 12 08:23:27 lol pwnt :P Feb 12 08:23:28 -O Feb 12 08:24:37 Hrm, it backfired, wget -o doesn't actually interpret - as stdout but as literal '-' Feb 12 08:24:50 Fortunately rm supports -- ;) Feb 12 08:25:27 what is more annoying than a geek? and annoying pedantic geek :P Feb 12 08:25:46 * leif__ notes gcc also lacks OCR Feb 12 08:25:53 sure Feb 12 08:26:04 and while you are at it.. the link pointed at the page not the image Feb 12 08:26:09 pffff Feb 12 08:26:11 xD Feb 12 08:26:11 inz; /dev/stdout? Feb 12 08:26:21 * rm_you uses -pedantic Feb 12 08:26:37 * rm_you sleeps! >_< Feb 12 08:26:44 desrt, -O, which is the correct option, does support - Feb 12 08:26:56 wonderful! Feb 12 08:27:22 anyway, I think gcc supports stdin Feb 12 08:27:35 it does, but you have to give -x Feb 12 08:27:50 because it has no filename extension to guess from Feb 12 08:29:53 Tama, indeed it does, but you need to tell it to read from it Feb 12 08:30:49 ok ok but you know a joke is usually an unfaithful rendition of reality designed to induce laughter Feb 12 08:30:52 hope you can answer another (probly simple) question. I'm trying to add the /sbin to the path by making a .profile directive, guess this doesn't work. after closing and reopening xterm, and type $PATH, its only got /bin and /usr/bin, what could I be doing wrong? Feb 12 08:31:23 musik, trying to add sbin to your path? Feb 12 08:31:29 yes Feb 12 08:31:41 permanently Feb 12 08:31:53 That was meant to be a suggestion of what you're doing wrong Feb 12 08:32:21 I guess xterm doesn't spawn login shells Feb 12 08:32:27 tried $PATH=$PATH:/sbin in .profile in the home dir, would that be parsed? Feb 12 08:32:36 Which makes it not use .profile Feb 12 08:32:45 PATH=$PATH:/sbin is what you want Feb 12 08:32:59 actually export PATH=$PATH:/sbin Feb 12 08:33:03 use export Feb 12 08:33:37 ok, that worked Feb 12 08:34:07 does export add it permenantly? Feb 12 08:34:56 if you just ran that from a shell: no Feb 12 08:35:26 what *exactly* did you put in .profile when it didn't work? Feb 12 08:35:40 what i typed above, verbatim Feb 12 08:35:47 should i drop the $ Feb 12 08:35:54 or add export Feb 12 08:36:00 ok, try putting exactly the following in .profile: Feb 12 08:36:08 export PATH=$PATH:/sbin Feb 12 08:36:50 good morning Feb 12 08:37:00 mornin' b0unc3 Feb 12 08:37:40 success, thanks johnx Feb 12 08:37:48 sure Feb 12 08:37:49 and others Feb 12 08:47:39 Morning, all Feb 12 08:48:49 howdy Jaffa Feb 12 09:06:56 <_collin_> hi Feb 12 09:09:35 hi Feb 12 09:25:05 morning all Feb 12 09:27:27 how do I find out the sudo PW for my device? Feb 12 09:27:52 n810, to be specific Feb 12 09:28:06 you have to set a password for 'user' Feb 12 09:28:17 how so? Feb 12 09:28:32 and then modify /etc/sudoers in order to allow 'user' to use sudo Feb 12 09:28:56 is "user" the default login? Feb 12 09:29:07 yes Feb 12 09:29:29 follow the "how to become root the easy way" on maemo.org Feb 12 09:29:44 you should find everyhthing you need Feb 12 09:30:01 ok, thanks Feb 12 09:30:09 passwd was restricted, so I was about to ask :) Feb 12 09:33:24 bon dia / good morning Feb 12 09:38:30 these root instructions are for the 770. is there anything more up to date? Feb 12 09:39:47 morning Feb 12 09:40:00 ssafsa: 770 is old so why instructions had to change? Feb 12 09:40:42 ah. sorry Feb 12 09:41:13 ssafsa: it will work in the same way... Feb 12 09:41:40 maddler: if I do these instructions, would someone sshing into the device be able to gain root? Feb 12 09:41:45 Hi , can maemo be used for nokia 5300 Feb 12 09:42:14 parolkar: nope Feb 12 09:43:37 ssafsa: that's why, if you go ahead reading, you have to change default root password... ;) Feb 12 09:43:54 afk Feb 12 09:44:30 <|tbb|> morning all Feb 12 09:44:46 maddler: hmm, ok I was looking at "how do i become root 2" and not "how do I become root" Feb 12 09:44:54 maddler: this 1 version makes more sense Feb 12 09:45:51 they are basically two different aproaches to solve same "issue" Feb 12 09:46:01 choose the one you feel more comfortable with... Feb 12 09:46:18 maddler: without rtfm, is there a way to have no root user, but keep sudo enabled, a la Ubuntu flavor Feb 12 09:47:14 passwd -l root Feb 12 09:47:16 ssafsa, there's always root. just remove root password so no-one can login as root Feb 12 09:47:28 Hi , can maemo be used for nokia 5300 Feb 12 09:47:33 parolkar: nope Feb 12 09:48:41 parolkar: Nokia 5300 is an S60 device designed for an S60 platform. Its hardware wont be supported by the Maemo platform. Feb 12 09:48:43 Hi , is there any list of devices where people have tested/built maemo apps Feb 12 09:48:43 parolkar: and asking twice won't help ;) Feb 12 09:49:03 parolkar: maemo works on nokias: 770, n800, n810 Feb 12 09:49:07 parolkar: maemo, as of now, only works on 70/n800/n810 devices... Feb 12 09:49:17 parolkar: and on nokia rx-48 which no one officially know what it is Feb 12 09:49:21 parolkar: before asking, please, give a look at www.maemo.org Feb 12 09:49:22 Won't Maemo run on a desktop PC? Feb 12 09:49:46 It IS debian, right? Feb 12 09:49:51 hrw, maddler , thanks... Feb 12 09:49:53 ssafsa: it is not debian Feb 12 09:50:03 it is not Debian, it's aDebian derivate Feb 12 09:50:04 hrw: oops, my bad Feb 12 09:50:09 ssafsa: it is modeled on debian, it use debian tools but it is not debian Feb 12 09:50:13 slightly different.. Feb 12 09:50:27 it's not really a linux distribution anyway, so it doesn't run anywhere Feb 12 09:50:28 btw... yes... ti could run on a PC... Feb 12 09:50:58 even it doesn't make so much sense to use it on a PC... Feb 12 09:51:00 yea, i figured... all the HW if's look the same Feb 12 09:51:08 since it is higly aimed at ITs Feb 12 09:51:22 but wouldn't it be a super low memory footprint? Feb 12 09:51:28 "HW if's"?! Feb 12 09:51:32 interfaces Feb 12 09:51:44 ssafsa: there are many light distros around... Feb 12 09:51:52 which will run on low end hardware.. Feb 12 09:52:02 maddler: yea, but for the sake of douchebaggery... Feb 12 09:52:03 giving you a more comfortable environment Feb 12 09:52:50 ? Feb 12 09:57:27 many of the things in ITOS are not open source, and there are not x86 versions available Feb 12 09:57:47 leif__: right.. Feb 12 09:58:28 vasically it would make much more sense to have a minimal Linux install and use Matchbox as well as any other light window manager... Feb 12 09:59:27 maddler: but dont discount the douchebaggery factor of being able to say "i run maemo on my x86" etc Feb 12 09:59:43 maddler: e.g. putting linux on an xbox 360 Feb 12 09:59:58 ssafsa: no one will stop you... Feb 12 10:00:03 maddler: lol Feb 12 10:00:59 ssafsa, maemo isn't the whole OS the tablets run, it is just the SDK really Feb 12 10:02:02 the OS is called ITOS - Internet Tablet OS - and it is maemo + lots of proprietary stuff Feb 12 10:02:23 Hello guys. Feb 12 10:02:33 hi Feb 12 10:02:49 hi Feb 12 10:02:51 I almost finished my pet project, a youtube browser and viewer for the nokia tablets. Feb 12 10:03:00 I need testers please. Feb 12 10:03:22 link? Feb 12 10:03:44 ssafsa: My internet at home is only 128kb upload. Feb 12 10:03:58 www.sourceforge.org Feb 12 10:04:06 Ok, i will copy the packages to my public_html. Feb 12 10:04:12 Give me a few secs. Feb 12 10:06:03 Guys, here are the debs. Feb 12 10:06:05 http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ Feb 12 10:06:34 I can't upload to garage becase I'm not sure if the name I chose is legal or not. Feb 12 10:07:25 how does it work? (can't test at work) Feb 12 10:07:45 Here is a screenshot: http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/yt-search.png Feb 12 10:08:20 solmumaha: I read the developer site of youtube, and realized it can be accessed using pure python. Feb 12 10:08:51 hehe, your upload IS slow Feb 12 10:08:52 tigrux: Let me guess - that site is hosted by your 128k upload ;) Feb 12 10:08:58 ssafsa: ;) Feb 12 10:09:00 solmumaha: Also, the program youtube-dl made me realize we can get the flvs (flash videos) by using simple urlopen. Feb 12 10:09:09 Blafasel: Yea, I'm very cheap. Feb 12 10:09:32 tigrux: Want some temp. web space? ;) Feb 12 10:09:41 solmumaha: Also, I noticed gstffmpeg can decode flash video and gstplugins bad (flvdemux) can demux the videos. Feb 12 10:09:48 Looks neat, though Feb 12 10:09:55 solmumaha: And the rest was just programming. :) Feb 12 10:10:00 I'll give it a try asap Feb 12 10:10:09 Blafasel: Please. Feb 12 10:10:13 looks nice Feb 12 10:10:15 Blafasel, which isn't too soon ;) Feb 12 10:10:22 i like the screenshot Feb 12 10:10:42 youtube-dl is nice, i use it for web based youtube -> mp3 Feb 12 10:10:43 The usage is very simple: everything should work using only the 5-way action button. Feb 12 10:10:47 the blue selection box is a little quirky, but the layout is straightforward Feb 12 10:11:11 tigrux: Put it somewhere where we don't fight for your upload ;) Feb 12 10:11:19 ssafsa: Yea, I have to make the buttons more screeny to make notice you are selecting them. Feb 12 10:11:33 Blafasel: Could you copy them please? Feb 12 10:11:51 I just finished the error dealing and the volume setup. Feb 12 10:11:53 http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ Feb 12 10:11:58 tigrux: I'll give it a try later today... Feb 12 10:12:04 There's a temporary faster "mirror" Feb 12 10:12:04 tigrux: it uses the default media player to view those? Feb 12 10:12:27 By the way, the application shoud work out of the box in an ubuntu with gstflvdemux and gstffmpeg. Feb 12 10:12:44 seems interesting.. Feb 12 10:13:02 solmumaha: No, sorry. The playbin element is quite slow to type find the streams. Feb 12 10:13:30 the source code is included in the deb. Feb 12 10:14:00 Guys, thanks yo maddler, please download from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ Feb 12 10:14:40 Has anyone taken a look? I was wondering what should be the name of the proyect. Feb 12 10:14:56 youtube viewer for maemo would be a good name Feb 12 10:15:01 youviewer? Feb 12 10:15:07 I guess youtube-viewer is illegal. :( Feb 12 10:15:16 ssafsa, except that maemo cannot be used, and probably youtube neither Feb 12 10:15:23 å Feb 12 10:15:23 I also used a propietary icon. :-/ Feb 12 10:15:28 hehe Feb 12 10:15:33 inz: That's what I call fast ;) Feb 12 10:16:04 inz, mikä on sun nettipalvelus? Feb 12 10:16:12 ssafsa, tenue Feb 12 10:16:19 By the way, the program does not deactivate the screen dimming, does not preserve the history search, etc. Feb 12 10:16:27 infinite hamster dance viewer Feb 12 10:16:33 tigrux: yt-viewer? Feb 12 10:16:33 It's is barebones stage. :) Feb 12 10:16:34 ;) Feb 12 10:16:37 thanks Feb 12 10:16:42 maddler: Yea, could be. Feb 12 10:16:56 maddler: The internal package it provides is named btw. Feb 12 10:17:24 maddler: Please, tell me you already tried. Feb 12 10:17:46 hehehe... I don't have my N810 with me... :( Feb 12 10:17:54 :'( Feb 12 10:18:01 metrain Feb 12 10:18:08 Blafasel, at least it's faster than a 128k Feb 12 10:19:09 Please... could anyone install the packages from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ and give ideas/suggestions? Feb 12 10:19:13 you-t-tablet-v Feb 12 10:19:29 youtabview Feb 12 10:19:43 yt-viewer sounds neat. :) Feb 12 10:19:44 youviewtablet Feb 12 10:19:44 tigrux, I'll take look in a minute Feb 12 10:19:46 utabvu Feb 12 10:20:23 yt sounds always like Yellowtab to me.. Feb 12 10:20:25 u-vü-tablet-edition-2008-copyright-tigrux-all-rights-reserved Feb 12 10:21:45 I will also have to modify the icon. :-/ Feb 12 10:22:28 tigrux: just looking at the screenshots, a suggestion: make it easier to scroll Feb 12 10:22:46 tigrux: ideally, use MokoFingerScroll Feb 12 10:22:46 tigrux, icon in games-menu? Feb 12 10:22:48 michele_: It already is, just use the action button. Feb 12 10:23:11 action button? Feb 12 10:23:18 michele_: You don't have to use the stylus at all, excepting to click on the category link. Feb 12 10:23:29 <|tbb|> are the videos playable with builtin mediaplayer then? Feb 12 10:23:48 No, it uses its own embedded player. Feb 12 10:24:22 tigrux, crash after just few frames of playback Feb 12 10:24:30 jku: Eeek! Feb 12 10:25:07 looks like it works the second time though Feb 12 10:25:10 jku: What was the video you were watching when it crashed? Feb 12 10:25:25 jku: Because it has not crashed here. Feb 12 10:26:16 tigrux, sorry,didn't pay attention to that (I'll say if I notice the same video) Feb 12 10:26:50 tigrux, how do I get out of full screen playback? hw button doesn't work Feb 12 10:27:09 jku: You have to stop the video first. Feb 12 10:27:26 jku: Because it would crash. Feb 12 10:27:38 jku: No idea how to fix that yet. :( Feb 12 10:28:13 jku: Press backspace or the action button. Feb 12 10:28:37 anyone else find mplauncher(mplayer) loads slow? (like its scanning for files) or is it just me Feb 12 10:28:48 tigrux, I tried and "Error gstgnomevfssrc.c(731): gst_gnome_vfs_src_create(): pipeline0/src: Failed to read data: I/O error" Feb 12 10:28:51 <|tbb|> how smooth is the playback then? Feb 12 10:29:15 tigrux, the playback stopped and that dialog was shown Feb 12 10:29:32 |tbb|: Not smooth as I hoped. Feb 12 10:29:39 |tbb|: Some videos look choppy. Feb 12 10:29:58 jku: Damn! Tell me the name of the video please. Feb 12 10:30:42 "Star Wars Paraphrase Theater: Tarkin n Friends" Feb 12 10:31:15 but it seemed to be a result of my actions (madly trying to get out of full screen) Feb 12 10:31:46 jku: Yes, the second video in the Featured. Right? Feb 12 10:31:53 yep Feb 12 10:32:05 <|tbb|> choppier as when i will playback it into microb browser? Feb 12 10:32:08 jku: How long could it play? Feb 12 10:32:18 maybe a minute? Feb 12 10:32:21 |tbb|: No, of couse not. :) Feb 12 10:32:30 could have been two Feb 12 10:32:47 jku: Strange, it finished here. Feb 12 10:33:25 like I said it seemed to happen because of something I did Feb 12 10:33:30 jku: Is you network slow or the signal very weak? Feb 12 10:33:39 jku: Ohh... sorry. Feb 12 10:34:16 tigrux, my connection is a bit on the slow side but shouldn't be the bottleneck here Feb 12 10:34:17 |tbb|: I actually started this project because I was envious of the ipod-touch users. :) Feb 12 10:35:53 jku: What do you think of the GUI by the way? Feb 12 10:37:01 tigrux, crash or error if I select a movie (with enter) and then select it again before it opens Feb 12 10:37:18 jku: Let me try. Feb 12 10:37:29 jku: :D Feb 12 10:37:35 jku: You are right! Feb 12 10:37:41 jku: Thanks a lot! Feb 12 10:38:20 jku: I will fix it before uploading it to garage. Feb 12 10:38:27 jku: Any other thought? Feb 12 10:39:22 tigrux, main screen is pretty good. Buttons should be bigger though, and it should be visible somewhere which mode I'm seeing (search/Featured/Top rated/...) Feb 12 10:40:27 jku: The buttons bigger? You mean with more border size around them? Feb 12 10:41:10 vertically, I mean. they're not very high Feb 12 10:41:35 jku: Oki. Feb 12 10:42:46 jku: Regarding the issue with full size mode and the going to unfullscreen... no idea how to solve it. :( Feb 12 10:43:05 * pupnik continues the dosbox performance testing Feb 12 10:43:08 jku: Also, I don't know how to avoid the screen go to sleep/dim. Feb 12 10:43:28 jku: Do you know where I can learn that? Feb 12 10:43:42 tigrux, maemomapper source? Feb 12 10:43:57 jku: Good point. Feb 12 10:44:10 jku: Wel... time to go to bed. Feb 12 10:44:33 It's 4:43am and I have to work in a few hours. Eeek! Feb 12 10:47:15 pupnik, can I nhl95 on n810? Feb 12 10:47:41 pupnik, hmm, it would need some custom mappings though, it uses alt... Feb 12 10:47:55 if it's a 95 game chances are no Feb 12 10:48:20 1981-1989 games generally do ok Feb 12 10:48:24 morning Feb 12 10:48:37 pupnik, it has the same game engine as nhl93 ;) Feb 12 10:48:38 hi Feb 12 10:48:44 hi pupnik Feb 12 10:48:46 pupnik, but that doesn't help too much yet Feb 12 10:48:50 hey Feb 12 10:48:59 pupnik: sorry, i just joined in the convo... are you guys talking about mame roms? Feb 12 10:49:01 inz: those nhl's were released for some consoles too Feb 12 10:49:29 no, old dos games Feb 12 10:49:43 Guys, please install from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ and send your comments or bugs to tigrux|at|gmail|dot|com Feb 12 10:49:47 any idea what might be causing this: http://phpfi.com/295966 ? Feb 12 10:50:07 I want to fix visible bugs before posting to garage. Feb 12 10:50:10 Thanks. Feb 12 10:51:42 tank-man: yes, it is scanning for files Feb 12 10:52:00 ssvb: can you disable the option? Feb 12 10:52:29 tony2001: sorry no. but is that % allowed? Feb 12 10:53:47 nibbles: no, you would not have a list of videos available to play in this case Feb 12 10:55:03 how much time does it take to start for you? Feb 12 10:55:28 i dunno, i was just asking the obvious question Feb 12 10:56:52 pupnik: I don't think so. it seems to come from url encoding: ":" -> "%3a" Feb 12 11:01:25 tony2001, is the interpreter for the postinst script missing? Feb 12 11:01:46 tony2001, (head /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.postinst) Feb 12 11:02:11 Or preinst or something Feb 12 11:02:21 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory Feb 12 11:02:25 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bison_1%3a1.875d-1osso_armel.deb (--unpack): Feb 12 11:02:40 do you think it complains about post-inst script? Feb 12 11:02:52 'cause it looks like it fails to find the package itself Feb 12 11:03:27 tony read again: "unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory" Feb 12 11:03:35 It's preinst that it cannot run, probably due to a missing interpreter Feb 12 11:03:55 It shouldn't try to run the file in the first place, if it didn't exist Feb 12 11:04:43 jku: well, it's sorta difficult to find a post-inst script in a package that doesn't exist =) Feb 12 11:11:40 btw, anyone interested in maemo port of GNU utils? Feb 12 11:12:59 <|tbb|> r there any umpc out there which could replace a desktop pc (for standard use) ? Feb 12 11:17:12 |tbb|, maybe you should ask in #eeepc Feb 12 11:17:34 |tbb|: not for me - I am too used to 1680x1050 screen of my desktop Feb 12 11:17:35 tony, ahh, true, you'd need to ar x and tar gz the control to investigate the preinst Feb 12 11:17:43 tony2001: port? or just recompilation? Feb 12 11:18:25 tony, on my ubuntu hardy, /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.preinst says: #!/bin/bash Feb 12 11:18:34 tony2001: and which GNU utils? findutils coreutils diffutils? Feb 12 11:20:07 it's a recompilation more or less Feb 12 11:20:14 similar to http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Feb 12 11:33:24 inz, that's somthing I've been wondering: should there be a "list of Debian 'Essential' packages that are not installed on stock ITOS"? Feb 12 11:34:09 would help checking hidden dependencies like this one Feb 12 11:35:01 inz, you've packaged way more than I have: is this a real problem, or is it just bash? Feb 12 11:43:33 jku, I guess such list might help every now and then Feb 12 11:43:46 jku, otoh, i think there are no "bashisms" in the bison script Feb 12 11:44:20 jku, or, humm, might be, but nothing that couldn't be trivially fixed Feb 12 11:45:14 yeah that's definitely a minor bug in bison Feb 12 12:11:40 jku: want me to create a report about it? Feb 12 12:15:29 Could someone with scratchbox in front of them tell me the value of BUFSIZ and PATH_MAX please Feb 12 12:17:24 both blank in the idnt vmware sb Feb 12 12:17:48 ah, they are defined in stdio.h I guess Feb 12 12:17:58 tony2001, if you're talking about the bison packaging bug, it's really minor (bash is an essential package, so it's just "unneeded bash use"). OTOH, at least ubuntu has been trying to get rid of unnecessary bash usage, so why not... Feb 12 12:48:30 jku: just to clarify: "why not" == "fill a report @ bugs.maemo.org", right? Feb 12 12:49:08 tony, yeah, go ahead, the fix is trivial Feb 12 12:49:13 ok, who (from users of n810 and scandinavian keymap) know how to enter "? ?" chars from HW keyboard? Feb 12 12:49:14 no, unless bison is a package from maemo.org meant to be installed on device... Feb 12 12:49:34 jku, nevertheless, the package is broken ;) Feb 12 12:49:36 well, aren't they all? Feb 12 12:49:54 jku, even if the bug is an "enhancement," it can be reported Feb 12 12:50:02 tony2001, the development repo is not really Feb 12 12:50:20 but inz is right, no harm in trying Feb 12 12:50:44 tony, don't expect wonders, but a bug never hurt anyone Feb 12 12:50:58 ok Feb 12 12:51:01 shit. roken utf :( Feb 12 12:51:05 tony, if you're up for it, add a patch and earn some brownie points ;) Feb 12 12:51:30 I usually only report bugs I can fix ;) Feb 12 12:52:06 tony2001, stuff in http://repository.maemo.org/-repo is not meant/tested to work on the device, even if some of it does Feb 12 12:52:46 The old saying about stupid questions kind of applies to bugs as well Feb 12 12:53:06 inz: I can add a working package instead =) Feb 12 12:53:09 Except that in the time of the intternets, the "google it first" applies to both Feb 12 12:53:30 tony, a patch is better, one that clearly shows what is wrong Feb 12 13:01:04 ~hail xkb Feb 12 13:01:05 * infobot bows down to xkb and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Feb 12 13:01:22 * lardman had hoped that writing some MATLAB to extract the satellite data from gps_last_saved_report would be easier than it is Feb 12 13:03:49 lardman, do you mean nvd_data? Feb 12 13:05:06 lardman, I've got a bit of python that I've used to try reading nvd_data Feb 12 13:09:16 oink Feb 12 13:09:33 hi Feb 12 13:09:41 hi Feb 12 13:09:52 anybody have ettercap on maemo? Feb 12 13:10:01 i know that is ported but i have a problem Feb 12 13:11:30 jku: Thanks, I've got MATLAB to read that one, but I wanted to compare the recorded satellite data saved in gps_last_saved_report with the numbers from nvd_data Feb 12 13:12:14 so you know the format of gps_last_saved_report? Feb 12 13:12:27 oh yes, it's in gpsd Feb 12 13:12:31 I haven't taken a closer look after seeing it's not ascii Feb 12 13:12:32 ok Feb 12 13:12:32 osso-gpsd that is Feb 12 13:12:56 Perhaps I should just link against that and use their function rather than trying to conver it to MATLAB Feb 12 13:22:04 jku: how do I do that? Feb 12 13:22:28 tony2001, you mean my comment on bugzilla? Feb 12 13:22:52 yup =) Feb 12 13:24:41 well, fix the postinst script (and check the maemo packaging guide if there's something else to do), create a garage project if you don't have one, and put the debs to garage Feb 12 13:25:15 if you want to put it to extras, you need to ask for those permissions specifically Feb 12 13:25:23 ahha.. so it's ok to have recompilations (not ports) in Garage? Feb 12 13:25:40 ? Feb 12 13:25:49 if it works, it's ok... Feb 12 13:26:25 ok. I just thought it's meant for projects specially written/adopted for maemo Feb 12 13:36:21 someone has gconf-editor for maemo? Feb 12 13:39:53 keyboards under maemo were desinged by ..... (any offensive word) Feb 12 13:40:54 ooo, is it a guessing game? Feb 12 13:41:03 no Feb 12 13:41:22 I am going to be mad Feb 12 13:41:40 What keyboard? Feb 12 13:41:42 moron which designed it should be shoot Feb 12 13:42:21 Navi: its more 'how to add own keyboard layout for HW n810 one' then 'how to make layout' Feb 12 13:42:36 layout is quite easy when you get it. its pure XKB stuff Feb 12 13:42:44 mmk Feb 12 13:42:46 but how maemo handle it is insane Feb 12 13:43:23 1. create onscreen layout for your lang (I am fine with English one but had to copy it as pl_PL one) Feb 12 13:43:40 2. reboot to get maemo notify that new lang layout exists Feb 12 13:43:57 3. curse as my n810 has power bug so will boot after 1h of nothing Feb 12 13:44:09 4. copy XKB layout to device Feb 12 13:44:20 5. pray that VKB pl_PL was noticed Feb 12 13:45:53 when n810 will boot (if I will have time etc) I will check how it goes Feb 12 13:54:34 Hi. Can you connect to internet (or LAN) via ad-hoc wi-fi? Feb 12 13:55:25 Tobotras: why not? if one of adhoc machines will route packets... Feb 12 13:56:01 dns might be a problem Feb 12 13:56:14 And knowing which ad-hoc machine does the routing Feb 12 13:56:14 hrw: well, I'm checking routing on tablet and there is no default route while ad hoc connecting. I wonder if this is on purpose... Feb 12 13:56:31 but doable Feb 12 13:57:02 How do I know my peer's IP?.. Feb 12 13:59:15 tcpdump? Feb 12 14:00:13 rude :) Feb 12 14:00:26 ping -b? Feb 12 14:01:48 When installing or upgrading Modest I get presented with some release notes (very nice). Is there a standard way for me to implement this in the .deb file for my app? Feb 12 14:03:16 Spakman_: it is 'documented' on wiki somewhere Feb 12 14:04:10 Tobotras: I used tcpdump once to get net from ethernet cable Feb 12 14:04:17 jku: ah-ha, in the osso-gpsd source there's a file called view_last_saved_report.c Feb 12 14:04:39 not sure if this is the correct place to ask...but i'm trying to get Python Twisted running on Scratchbox but having trouble getting it to find the host compiler when i run 'python setup.py build' Feb 12 14:04:40 plug, run tcpdump to get network info, configure eth0 to network, find router, add route Feb 12 14:04:52 if i set CC/CXX it helps a _bit_, but still fails out Feb 12 14:04:56 jku: It spits out a dump of that file, including the satellites in view, which is useful :) Feb 12 14:05:29 bhearsum, are you calling python2.5 explicitly? Feb 12 14:05:50 lmoura: i'm trying to get it running on the stock python, actually (2.3) Feb 12 14:06:02 ~curse /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages Feb 12 14:06:03 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages ! Feb 12 14:06:03 because 2.4 and 2.5 both throw qemu errors and crash a lot Feb 12 14:06:19 hrw: I've not been able to find any references to it, but I'll keep looking. Feb 12 14:06:41 Spakman_: look at modest postinst script Feb 12 14:07:48 hrw: mega - thanks! Feb 12 14:09:55 lmoura: i guess you have no ideas? :) Feb 12 14:11:17 bhearsum, unfortunately, no =\ Feb 12 14:11:22 fair enough :) Feb 12 14:11:41 the same error appears in x86 target? Feb 12 14:11:49 i haven't tried x86 Feb 12 14:11:53 'tis worth a shot though Feb 12 14:12:05 i suspect the problem here is that python's setup.py module is being dumb with paths Feb 12 14:12:10 because i can build other things OK Feb 12 14:12:20 (but maybe they aren't trying to use the specific feature of gcc that python is) Feb 12 14:12:23 Spakman, read the packaging guide http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html Feb 12 14:12:53 Spakman, you're looking for "maemo-confirm-text", I believe Feb 12 14:13:29 lmoura: but for the record, x86 has the same failure Feb 12 14:13:55 using python2.5 too? Feb 12 14:13:55 (http://pastebin.ca/901192 for those interested) Feb 12 14:13:58 lmoura: sec Feb 12 14:14:48 heh Feb 12 14:14:51 sigsegv on python2.5 Feb 12 14:16:13 bhearsum: python in sbox is kind of broken. for one, you should use the eabi qemu and then force python2.5 for python binary modules... Feb 12 14:16:43 :( Feb 12 14:16:48 SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python Feb 12 14:16:54 for bypassing the host python Feb 12 14:17:12 jott: this makes me sad Feb 12 14:17:22 same goes for perl Feb 12 14:17:37 jumpula: out of curiosity, what is the scratchbox redirect? Feb 12 14:17:44 bhearsum: well it's solevable ;) just do what jumpula says and get setup the eabi qemu Feb 12 14:17:47 (is there a page somewhere about what exactly gets redirected?) Feb 12 14:18:15 jott: what's eabi qemu? Feb 12 14:18:39 bhearsum: you mean like what does it or what? :) Feb 12 14:18:49 bhearsum, http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html Feb 12 14:18:54 jumpula: i don't even know what it does Feb 12 14:19:08 ah lmoura was faster :) Feb 12 14:19:32 (also looked for that link) Feb 12 14:19:44 awesome! @ patched qemu Feb 12 14:19:55 heh Feb 12 14:22:19 heh.. yet-another qemu fork Feb 12 14:22:49 * bhearsum is going to tackle this problem a different way, does not want to patch qemu Feb 12 14:23:07 bhearsum: echo $SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS Feb 12 14:23:13 echo $PATH Feb 12 14:23:28 primarily, all host tools are before target ones in path Feb 12 14:23:45 there's a preloaded library which does the rest Feb 12 14:24:06 so is it bad that i have 'export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:$PATH' in my ~/.bash_profile? (inside of sbox) Feb 12 14:24:21 ie. calling /usr/bin/python will end up always in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Feb 12 14:24:29 ah Feb 12 14:24:32 yes, i think that's broken. Feb 12 14:24:44 * bhearsum comments it out, tries again Feb 12 14:24:52 the SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS will override those anyway Feb 12 14:25:03 so i guess the result won't change Feb 12 14:25:05 yeah, made no difference Feb 12 14:25:18 ghrm Feb 12 14:25:31 adjust the environment variable, either one to suit your needs Feb 12 14:25:44 note, though that ignore needs a complete path Feb 12 14:25:44 * bhearsum isn't really sure what is going to meet his needs Feb 12 14:25:45 why does apt-get want to remove osso-software-version when I try to downgrade libpng12-0 ? Feb 12 14:26:10 osso-software-version depends on specific versions Feb 12 14:26:18 ie. ignoring redirect from /usr/bin/python and executing python will still end up with host python Feb 12 14:26:26 you need to call /usr/bin/python Feb 12 14:26:36 yeah Feb 12 14:26:54 i don't think that's going to work either, because of the qemu errors Feb 12 14:27:07 jku: so it's ok to remove it? Feb 12 14:27:09 which causes sadfaces, but i suppose i can work around this Feb 12 14:27:29 (i'm trying to get Buildbot going inside of sbox; i can probably just run it outside of it, however) Feb 12 14:29:08 tony2001, I _think_ so. I guess it's there just to prevent people from unknowingly changing from a Nokia-tested configuration Feb 12 14:29:23 okay.. Feb 12 14:30:33 it has "Maemo-Flags: system-update" so removing may affect Application Manager experience... Feb 12 14:34:21 I wonder where & when did I manage to get those updated package versions.. Feb 12 14:36:50 tony2001, on the device? Feb 12 14:37:16 tony2001, the ITOS releases sometimes have newer stuff than what the development repository has Feb 12 14:40:34 yup, on the device Feb 12 14:41:14 ok, let's see if I can do it in the Right Way [tm], using that vmware thingie =) Feb 12 14:42:08 tony, the os2008 distribution on repository.maemo.org should have same versions as the ones on the device Feb 12 14:42:19 tony, chinook, otoh, sometimes has older versions Feb 12 14:47:28 inz: what's the difference between os2008 and chinook? for some reason I thought that's just two diff names for the same thing. Feb 12 14:53:41 Morning all. Feb 12 14:55:59 tony, chinook is the sdk Feb 12 14:56:15 tony, whereas os2008 is the os on the device (which is based on chinook) Feb 12 14:58:21 oh I didn't know this distinction Feb 12 14:58:54 <|tbb|> anyone could help me to get internet working on tablet while its connected throug ubuntu workstation via usbnet Feb 12 14:58:54 it's not that much advertised =) Feb 12 15:06:12 <|tbb|> inz: mean me? Feb 12 15:06:28 <|tbb|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdpfT06VrQk <- if i would buy an umpc that one fits Feb 12 15:06:51 |tbb|, nope, previous conversation Feb 12 15:07:52 Anybody know exactly what switching the WLAN connection's power saving feature off does? Feb 12 15:08:42 SDuensin: increase power consumption? Feb 12 15:09:16 Allows the wlan chip to sleep a bit if there's no outgoing traffic Feb 12 15:09:31 <||cw> SDuensin: with power saving on. when you aren't sending or receiving data the radio goes into a low power heartbeat mode Feb 12 15:10:09 Turning off power saving finally got the N800 connected to my Mac's shared internet. Stupid Mac. Feb 12 15:10:31 <||cw> has a side effect that receiving data comes with a little lag, but since running a server on a handheld is impractical, it doesn't really matter Feb 12 15:10:33 <|tbb|> okay inz: then plz help me to get internet while im on usbnet ;) Feb 12 15:11:25 |tbb|: they're selling that on the fact that is has a virtual desktop!? Feb 12 15:11:49 |tbb|: too big and chunky for my liking Feb 12 15:11:51 With either of the two power saving settings turned on, it loses packets like mad. Feb 12 15:13:58 <|tbb|> lardman but runs ubuntu native Feb 12 15:14:08 <|tbb|> which is the right way Feb 12 15:14:48 |tbb|: does it, ah, well not such a revolutionary feature then :) Feb 12 15:15:08 * lardman thought Windows XP was catching up Feb 12 15:15:44 |tbb|, cannot, sry, I've no idea of it Feb 12 15:16:04 |tbb|, back in os2006 days you used a DUMMY connection, but nowadays I've no clue Feb 12 15:17:47 <|tbb|> http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/e-lead-electron.html <- transparent keyboard over the touch ;) Feb 12 15:19:59 and the keyboard looks awful to use Feb 12 15:20:36 lardman: still collecting nvd_data files? Feb 12 15:22:56 What's an nvd_data file? Feb 12 15:22:59 * SDuensin is new here. Feb 12 15:23:29 SDuensin, input/output for gpsdriver Feb 12 15:24:38 SDuensin, apparently satellite data and last position data is saved there. May be useful for assisted GPS Feb 12 15:25:11 Ah. No GPS in my new toy. :-) Feb 12 15:25:14 * SDuensin has an 800. Feb 12 15:28:35 SDuensin: you know http://internettablettalk.com/forums ? Feb 12 15:28:51 Yea. Been browsing there a bit. Feb 12 15:31:25 hrw: yep, if you can provide the gps_last_saved_location file too. Feb 12 15:32:15 lardman: I can give you location and time Feb 12 15:32:35 hrw: the location file contains a list of satellites, would be useful to see that too Feb 12 15:32:48 lardman: ok - will grab new fix then Feb 12 15:33:12 noahpad looks interesting. though bulky Feb 12 15:33:16 thanks Feb 12 15:42:04 jku: did you have any thoughts about the format of the 108byte blocks? Feb 12 15:43:05 nothing useful, the first byte is the sat number I guess, but anything else... Feb 12 15:43:16 For my fix, gsp_last_saved_report says the following were in use: 01, 04, 11, 14; and these ones were presumably also visible: 17, 20, 23, 31, 13 Feb 12 15:43:39 and the first bytes give me: 04, 11, 17, 23, 28 and lots of 0 of course Feb 12 15:44:10 half matching :) Feb 12 15:44:15 yeah :) Feb 12 15:44:36 well the almanac data may be retained, but I would expect to see all of the satellites in use in that set of data Feb 12 15:44:40 but we don't Feb 12 15:45:00 lardman: what about writing small app which connect to gps, get fix and then save all needed files? Feb 12 15:45:02 needs more testing Feb 12 15:45:37 I've been trying to at least find GPS week number or other timestamp somewhere, but haven't succeeded even at that Feb 12 15:45:53 hrw: might be worth doing, and having a set delay between fixes to allow more satellites into view Feb 12 15:46:38 lardman: should make gathering data easier Feb 12 15:46:54 yeah Feb 12 15:46:56 the chip can handle at least 15 sats -- I know since gpsd starts complaining at that point Feb 12 15:47:03 lardman: now I started maemo mapper, put n810 near window to get fix. then will have to close mapper, grab files... Feb 12 15:47:21 no time now though, but I'll take my MATLAB/script & gps_last_saved_file reader with me Feb 12 15:48:00 would you more upset if someone says nasty stuff loudly or in a low volume so you can only hear and others can't? Feb 12 15:49:03 jku: I thought that 12 was the max possible in view at any point on the Earth's surface...? Feb 12 15:49:11 GeneralAntilles: I made you a junior developer :P not sure what that does exactly Feb 12 15:49:34 yes, I think you're right, but devices seem to save the data... Feb 12 15:50:25 N810 is not the only one I've seen do that. gpsd had a hard coded limit, but they had to raise that Feb 12 15:54:47 what would you do if you had to sleep on the street middle of a rich nighborhood for being homeless and no money? Feb 12 15:55:28 sleep in a magic pyramid to make myself rich Feb 12 15:55:37 what would you do if someone started asking pointless, hypothetical, offtopic questions in your channel? Feb 12 15:55:37 isn't that what everyone would do? Feb 12 15:55:52 Tak: probably reply with stupid answers Feb 12 15:56:57 Tak, I would concider digging my blessed +o boots of kicking up, but being too lazy to do it Feb 12 15:57:09 how do snap out of lazyness when i am sleepy and have to go a long way or walk / work? Feb 12 15:57:35 Usually walking wakes me up quite well... Feb 12 15:57:49 did anyone try to set up the VMWare SDK image on 64bit Linux host? Feb 12 15:58:02 But, if you like your job, or need the money, that ought to be enough to motivate you :) Feb 12 15:58:28 tko, I don't know who to ask .. where do I go if I want to lobby Maemo to include gio asap. Perhaps even a temporary standalone version (which I could port if necessary)? Feb 12 15:58:41 I want to start using it asap Feb 12 15:59:59 so if maemo would skip a glib version next time they upgrade their glib .. development of tinymail's new shiny api will be delayed by a full distro release Feb 12 16:00:17 s/skip/ decide to use an earlier version Feb 12 16:00:27 :-\ Feb 12 16:00:32 I would also like to request a newer glib version Feb 12 16:00:49 pvanhoof: I have it turned off in here, because infobot echoes me Feb 12 16:00:56 ok :) Feb 12 16:01:12 ~lart myself Feb 12 16:01:13 * infobot duct-tapes myself to the floor and drools on him Feb 12 16:02:12 did you ever had a day where everyone was mean to you for months and ever years like 5 years everyday over and over? Feb 12 16:03:45 I find it much nicer to be able to use regexp substitute without any annoying bot interpreting it Feb 12 16:04:04 Everyone understands regexp ;) Feb 12 16:05:00 :-P Feb 12 16:05:04 janoar: I'd check the logic of the script... sounds like a faulty defined variable 'everyone'. The time handling also seems wonky. Feb 12 16:08:26 is kingston a good brand for a high performance sdhc card? Feb 12 16:08:42 * SDuensin likes Kingston. Feb 12 16:09:13 newegg has patriot and kingston 4gb sdhc cards (class 6) Feb 12 16:09:39 never missed, even some of their newer were formatted as fat in 16 it Feb 12 16:09:46 *bit Feb 12 16:10:29 okay, running SDK on 64bit linux appears to be impossible.. =| Feb 12 16:11:31 * hrw avoids kingston Feb 12 16:11:58 Why's that, hrw ? Feb 12 16:12:02 any particular reason hrw? Feb 12 16:12:15 Anyone know if GPS chips have fp units or are they fixed point? Feb 12 16:12:39 it is hard to tell who made card - it can be toshiba, hitachi etc but sticker will tell 'kingston' Feb 12 16:12:46 well, yeah Feb 12 16:12:53 did you ever intelltion hurt someone or tried to becasue of your own mental illness or shortcoming? what did you do after? like you almost hit the guy or you wanted to really kill him/her and felt that you could and you would if he/she made the wrong move? Feb 12 16:13:12 janoar: I'm getting that feeling about you Feb 12 16:13:15 even sandisk has that problem. can get 2 cards same model that both id as sandisk and one will be 2x faster caust iw as made in a different plant Feb 12 16:13:25 and I have 2 microsd kingston cards which do not work in one of my phones Feb 12 16:14:52 hrw, I know sellers that say "nokia and kingston are bad match" Feb 12 16:15:09 lardman which feeling sir? Feb 12 16:15:18 <|tbb|> yeah, ive managed to get injection to work with the wlan adapter Feb 12 16:15:25 Actually, I have a 2GB MicroSD from Kingston in my 800 right now. Feb 12 16:15:32 I have all kingston cards Feb 12 16:15:44 zoran: its nokia - its fic-gta01 Feb 12 16:15:50 k Feb 12 16:15:59 its not nokia I meant Feb 12 16:15:59 I have all kingston and no complaints Feb 12 16:16:12 hey, openmoko? Feb 12 16:16:16 yes Feb 12 16:16:29 freerunner or neo? Feb 12 16:17:00 gta01 is first version Feb 12 16:17:31 have you made some review on the net? Feb 12 16:17:36 janoar: oh, you're not a bot, in that case I'm feeling it even more Feb 12 16:17:39 janoar mean an animal in my language Feb 12 16:17:39 ;) Feb 12 16:18:07 hrw, I'm wuite interested, but dunno where and how to start Feb 12 16:18:12 *quite Feb 12 16:18:14 janoar mean an animal in my language Feb 12 16:18:29 hrw, I know: buy first Feb 12 16:19:42 zoran: http://blog.haerwu.biz/ - I made some posts about it Feb 12 16:20:24 k, gonna take a look Feb 12 16:20:57 janoar: I think the channel would get bored if I jumped into that conversation, but I could talk about that in a /msg after I come back from a walk Feb 12 16:21:29 Lynore people will be angry if you go in and out Feb 12 16:21:33 Lynore people will be angry if you go in and out too much Feb 12 16:21:36 4/8 satelites and still 2d fix only Feb 12 16:21:39 * Tak /ignore Feb 12 16:22:18 ordered 4gb kingston. tnx :) Feb 12 16:22:24 Tak: yes, maybe I should too. thanks for the advice. Feb 12 16:22:46 * Tak shrugs Feb 12 16:23:00 why does people get angry if you go in and out too much? especiall yme i am brown and ugly + skinny. even my own family like sister and mother was upset all the time. and eventually called police on me for no reason but the ovious becasu ei went in and out too much and walk around the house too much Feb 12 16:24:07 offtopic ? Feb 12 16:25:05 Spammer Feb 12 16:26:58 konttori: I haven't tested your software yet, I'm not having luck finding suitable usb bits Feb 12 16:27:41 lardman: is the powervr mbx (lite) an arm processor on its own at its core? Feb 12 16:44:12 "t's rather easy to explain why gcc-4 may seem slower than gcc-3, and O3 slower than O2 on some CPUs: Cache size. gcc-4's optimizer is way better, really. Unfortunately, many optimizations increase code size, and this can be a significant amount. So for normal builds, the gain of much better CPU optimization can easily be killed by more cache trashing, especially on low-cache CPUs" Feb 12 16:44:33 -Os Feb 12 16:44:44 what? Feb 12 16:45:54 -Os Optimize for size. -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size. It also performs further optimizations Feb 12 16:45:57 designed to reduce code size. Feb 12 16:48:15 rm_you, thanks! Mind if I make an announcement on ITT? Feb 12 16:49:51 GeneralAntilles, jajajaja!!!111oneoneone Feb 12 16:54:27 pH5: I think so, yes Feb 12 16:54:48 cool. the pvr.ko module from the 2430 sdk contains a whole lot of arm code (with dwarf debugging symbols!) that probably just gets uploaded to the mbx, because it vanishes when i strip the module (down to 60k). Feb 12 16:54:58 pH5: ah, not necessarily an ARM processor, but certainly a processor Feb 12 16:55:20 pH5: I wondered about the change in size Feb 12 16:56:06 pH5: there's no much info about what the actual processing core is Feb 12 16:57:07 seems odd that that code is contained in the kernel module though, rather than passed through the module from a binary blob? Feb 12 16:57:29 let's take apart the module and see. Feb 12 16:58:08 lardman: any idea where we could get the mbx (not lite) code from? are there flash images for some 2420 phones around? Feb 12 16:58:30 I guess the kernel running on the chip is probably different Feb 12 16:59:32 no, I've not seen any downloadable flash images, but with the recent releases for the N95 I wonder if there are some about now Feb 12 16:59:55 bye all Feb 12 17:00:01 cu hrw Feb 12 17:01:34 Anyone have a spare jaiku invite? Feb 12 17:02:52 pH5: the other option, is to get someone with a filesystem browser (assuming they exist) to take a look for the appropriate files on the device Feb 12 17:06:55 though they probably don't ship debugging symbols in production devices. Feb 12 17:07:05 why is there no 2420 sdk? Feb 12 17:07:12 too old? Feb 12 17:13:52 <|tbb|> anyone noticed that if you stay on a website and fill out a formular (on microb) the cursor leaves the input box if you using the dpad to go to the end or beginning on the input box, thats very bad because if u try to del the last typed characters with the backspace key, u may leave the whole page because backspace key for microb works like a back button Feb 12 17:21:07 lardman: http://blog.haerwu.biz/download/gps/20080213-1817/ maybe will be useful for you - it has 2d or 3d fix (was floating) + screenshot of maemo mapper with ~time and position + list of satellites in view Feb 12 17:21:29 thanks hrw|gone Feb 12 17:21:35 * hrw|gone -> out Feb 12 17:28:17 pH5: how useful do you think a mobile phone image/files would be? Feb 12 17:29:02 lardman: no idea yet. I'll try to understand how pvr.ko loads the firmware code into mbx first. Feb 12 17:29:56 I don;t have a phone unfortunately, but there are freeware filebrowsers, so it should be possible to obtain the binaries (from the Z: drive) and then do something with them Feb 12 17:30:21 there are presumably some Symbian tools to allow disassembly/strings/etc. Feb 12 17:32:43 I don't have a 2420 phone with 3d driver either. Feb 12 17:32:58 don't you look silly if you are getting bullied by others and they are just ignoring it? Feb 12 17:38:07 does bullies know that they are bullying? Feb 12 17:38:35 Of course not Feb 12 17:41:26 pH5: The other option is the iPhone Feb 12 17:43:24 does getting bullied makes me vulnarable to other people who i don't like and weren't bullying me to think that i can be bullied now and they start disliking me and bully me too? Feb 12 17:43:42 lardman: unless there is some SoC specific register setup in the blob Feb 12 17:43:51 the iPhone has some samsung part, right? Feb 12 17:44:20 Yeah, with a PowerVR MBX added on Feb 12 17:44:24 yeah some samm soc iirc Feb 12 17:46:15 bbiab, relocating to home Feb 12 17:46:39 crap, how do I get a stack trace for an arm binary? Feb 12 17:47:30 how do i stand up to a bully? what does stand up mean? if you stand up can't you get hurt? Feb 12 17:49:16 lardman|gone: getting files off from a n95 isn't really a problem Feb 12 17:49:25 lardman|gone: doing anything useful them yeah i'd imagine being very problematic Feb 12 17:56:37 GeneralAntilles: lol sure Feb 12 17:58:04 GeneralAntilles: As soon as I fix the volume control beep, add some sort of options thing, and do some extensive code cleanup, i'll release a 1.0 :) Feb 12 18:01:51 When I load a plugin, it runs its plugin_init() constructor function and does all the setup... do i need some sort of destructor function to free up all the memory i allocated / destroy all the widgets i created when it unloads? or does it do that automatically Feb 12 18:04:59 hmm, anyone here happen to know which version of X is used in OS2008? Feb 12 18:07:01 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/x/xserver-kdrive/ Feb 12 18:07:31 ah i see Feb 12 18:07:33 thx Feb 12 18:08:00 those are old btw Feb 12 18:17:15 * lcuk raises a beer glass to the sun. another nice day. more deluded animals thinking its spring Feb 12 18:17:47 evening pup :) im goin playing in vmware now, i may be some time Feb 12 18:23:17 is there any way to get the gtk2+hildon python bindings within scratchbook? Feb 12 18:25:13 Zero_Dogg, what do you mean? install them? Feb 12 18:26:37 lmoura: yeah, can't find them in apt-cache in the default scratchbox Feb 12 18:26:58 Zero_Dogg, you need to enable the extras repository Feb 12 18:27:04 lmoura: aha, bah :) Feb 12 18:32:18 Any idea how I make a plugin close itself (like if it detects a failure to allocate memory or somesuch)? return doesn't seem to work, and exit() gets me a ton of complaints from the compiler >_> Feb 12 18:36:12 rm_you, is there any destroy function in the plugin api? Feb 12 18:36:22 not that i saw Feb 12 18:36:37 but i only REALLY investigated the sample stuff Feb 12 18:36:40 you are passing a parameter into exit() arent you? every example ive seen needs one Feb 12 18:36:55 yeah... and i think it works Feb 12 18:36:59 but it complains a lot Feb 12 18:37:07 whats the complaints? Feb 12 18:37:10 and in my experience, when the compiler complains, it's generally a good idea to listen Feb 12 18:37:28 like a woman Feb 12 18:37:40 advanced-backlight.c:84: warning: implicit declaration of function `exit' Feb 12 18:37:41 Or at least pretend you're listening Feb 12 18:37:42 just that Feb 12 18:38:08 it has ALWAYS done that to me when i use exit() Feb 12 18:38:12 but it has also always worked Feb 12 18:38:16 Never does it for me. Feb 12 18:38:19 so Feb 12 18:38:29 I always pass EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE Feb 12 18:38:40 what's exit() part of? what include? Feb 12 18:38:48 stdlib Feb 12 18:39:42 bah, my sneaky plan to use xrandr to rotate my N800's screen backfired. no randr extension. darnit. oh well ;) Feb 12 18:39:43 #include /* For exit to be declared */ Feb 12 18:39:44 eh, complains less with tha :P Feb 12 18:39:54 i wonder why it WORKS even without that tho <_< Feb 12 18:40:06 stdio has it's own declaration, I think. Feb 12 18:40:17 improper, of course Feb 12 18:40:33 because you could call a function called int anything_in_rm_you_s_wildest_dreams() and the compiler will build it Feb 12 18:40:42 however if it cant be linked then its big troublwe Feb 12 18:41:08 lcuk: i mean, i've always gotten that warning, and it's always run and worked, and exited properly :P Feb 12 18:41:10 MangoFusion, no xrandr extension? Sucks. Feb 12 18:41:20 because the linker is clever Feb 12 18:41:46 it takes the definition you used and happens to find a match, if it COULDNT find a match at linking stage then you would have a problem Feb 12 18:41:54 an improper exit() is declared in stdio Feb 12 18:42:03 (I think) Feb 12 18:42:27 anyway, stageleft.exit(1) Feb 12 18:42:30 back soon Feb 12 18:42:39 * Navi waves .o/ Feb 12 18:43:20 of course, it's always better to use the exit() in stdlib. Feb 12 18:43:43 * lcuk kicks his vmware box and wireless network and internet connection sharing and ip address allocation scheme and throws it all away and becomes a monk Feb 12 18:43:53 yay Feb 12 18:44:11 did you know, a monk is a jedi without a lightsabre Feb 12 18:44:17 rm_you, I don't know if exit would work. AFAIK, all plugins belong to the same process. Wouldn't calling break stuff? Feb 12 18:44:59 maybe :/ Feb 12 18:45:12 i need to figure out how to unload it properly <_< Feb 12 18:46:06 but what happens if the unload code has an error and crashes? Feb 12 18:46:14 anybody from finland here? Feb 12 18:46:49 * Navi wishes he could make stuff. Feb 12 18:46:50 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2701 is this even remotely true? (sfw) Feb 12 18:47:35 Knowing the Soviet army during WWII, probably. Feb 12 18:47:40 Look at their losses taking Berlin. Feb 12 18:47:45 That was fighting old men and children. Feb 12 18:47:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War Feb 12 18:48:01 yes it is Feb 12 18:56:05 anyone here successfully cloned their OS to an SD card? Feb 12 19:01:14 GeneralAntilles: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141584 Feb 12 19:01:36 MangoFusion: johnx has debian booting from an SD card :P Feb 12 19:02:35 i've got it booting from sd fine. just that the mounting of the fat partition on the internet card seems weird, and the file manager thinks its corrupt Feb 12 19:02:43 rm_you: will that work on os2007? Feb 12 19:03:01 Tak: well.... i'm not certain... :/ you could try compiling it Feb 12 19:03:11 hah Feb 12 19:03:17 Tak: you using OS2007 on an n770? Feb 12 19:03:20 i.e. i can mount it from commandline with mount over the external card (both end up being mounted on /media/mmc1) Feb 12 19:03:25 yes Feb 12 19:03:32 on my N800 btw Feb 12 19:03:34 only the n800/n810 support those backlight levels in hardware :( Feb 12 19:04:43 see http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Feb 12 19:05:50 Tak: wait... i may be wrong Feb 12 19:05:56 re-reading it currently :P Feb 12 19:07:59 Tak: if you open a terminal as root and do: "chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l #" where # is some number between 1 and 127 Feb 12 19:08:17 if the brightness level changes correctly, then my program will work. Feb 12 19:26:26 It'd be nice if there's an accelerometer in the N810. Feb 12 19:26:34 Maybe that could be a possible easter egg :D Feb 12 19:27:25 throw it into the wall and see :3 Feb 12 19:27:35 Erm .. Not quite what I had in mind :P Feb 12 19:27:57 I was thinking of one of those marble puzzles. Where you have to guide a marble through a maze and into a hole. Feb 12 19:28:21 wiimote + duct tape = instant fun Feb 12 19:28:38 neverball! Feb 12 19:29:02 lcuk: even just the nunchuck would be enough Feb 12 19:30:04 alterego: http://www.dimensionengineering.com/DE-ACCM3D.htm Feb 12 19:30:06 would be simpler to get a small usb powered device - surely now they should be no bigger than a plug Feb 12 19:30:11 + some hacking ;) Feb 12 19:30:12 robtaylor: Error: "some" is not a valid command. Feb 12 19:30:23 dtahtbot`: you're stupid Feb 12 19:30:24 robtaylor: Error: "you're" is not a valid command. Feb 12 19:30:45 michele_, you still need a Wiimote with the nunchuck. Feb 12 19:30:46 * corona . o O ( ... ) Feb 12 19:31:20 The nunchuck has a accelerometer, you don't strictly need the remote for that .. Feb 12 19:31:27 depends if you are gonna dremel the sensor out of it and glue it onto 810 Feb 12 19:32:08 You gotta interface to it and power it. Feb 12 19:32:21 usb supplies 5v 100ma Feb 12 19:32:38 lcuk: not on an n810 it doesn't Feb 12 19:32:44 not from the n800 it doesn't >_> Feb 12 19:32:52 lol jinx Feb 12 19:32:59 GeneralAntilles: you don't http://www.windmeadow.com/node/42 Feb 12 19:33:02 rm_you: heh Feb 12 19:33:10 how do i run my keyboard then? 100ma is the startup power, 500ma is "full" usb power Feb 12 19:33:30 the arduino pins provide 20mA Feb 12 19:33:32 lcuk: your keyboard lies to you? >_> Feb 12 19:33:35 all USB OTG devices must supply enough power to get a device going, its just not usually enough to run the stuff Feb 12 19:33:41 and that's enough Feb 12 19:33:48 Yeah, yeah, michele_, but the straight Wiimote is still a lot easier. :P Feb 12 19:34:05 GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure Feb 12 19:34:10 do they make wonky wiimotes? Feb 12 19:34:19 lcuk: ah, good point Feb 12 19:34:23 michele, of course it would be simpler cos you just use bluetooth Feb 12 19:34:23 lcuk is right 100mA. Feb 12 19:34:49 though rm_you is right, as n800 doesnt do OTG Feb 12 19:34:50 lcuk: oh.. you have a point Feb 12 19:35:06 well, it does sorta Feb 12 19:35:08 n800 with os2008 isnt identical hardware wise? Feb 12 19:35:11 i thought it was Feb 12 19:35:12 but it isn't REALLY designed to Feb 12 19:35:25 it CAN do OTG with a kernel hack and some other stuff Feb 12 19:35:31 OTG? Feb 12 19:35:34 but it wasn't really designed for it Feb 12 19:35:43 *nod* Feb 12 19:35:54 USB OTG = adjusted "normal" mode usb where to client devices can talk and one decides to be the master without a full system Feb 12 19:36:06 I don't think there's any difference in the USB setup between the N810 and the N800 aside from the port. Feb 12 19:36:06 Interesting. Feb 12 19:36:11 so an OTG camera can talk to an OTG printer Feb 12 19:36:19 without a computer Feb 12 19:36:44 and lots of other nice things :) (like using 810 with usb devices) Feb 12 19:37:19 I have an gtk-application that should run on a maemo-based device and allocates an area which is too big for the screen (720,420) on n800 Feb 12 19:37:19 this page[0] says: "The area left for the application is 672×396 pixels." Feb 12 19:37:19 how do I get the size/extents of the "skin graphic area"? Feb 12 19:37:19 [0] -http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Application_Development/Chapter_01_GTK_Basics.html Feb 12 19:37:37 programmatically :) Feb 12 19:37:43 800-672 Feb 12 19:37:54 ;) Feb 12 19:37:55 lcuk: great, thats it. ;) Feb 12 19:38:00 a=(800-672) Feb 12 19:38:26 lcuk: looks future proof as 640kb is enough for everyone :) Feb 12 19:38:48 when i see a futureproof theme on ANY system i will come back and buy you a beer ;) Feb 12 19:39:11 code for today and dont worry about tomorrow Feb 12 19:39:36 if you design it too well when will you get repeat sales? Feb 12 19:40:07 rm_you: "brightness reqyest sent!" Feb 12 19:40:34 ...although the brightness didn't appear to actually change... Feb 12 19:40:59 Tak: hrm... Feb 12 19:41:13 Tak: try with a few radically different numbers <_< Feb 12 19:41:20 I was under the impression that OS2007 didn't have the interface for changing the brightness without a modified kernel. Feb 12 19:41:38 Tak: what are you trying to do, ooi? Feb 12 19:41:41 I'm at the lowest brightness; I entered 127 Feb 12 19:42:02 I think there where only 15 levels or so Feb 12 19:42:31 robtaylor: determine whether rm_you's display control applet will work on os2007he Feb 12 19:42:40 but again, I think , therfore I am ......... a human Feb 12 19:43:01 * lcuk demands keesj takes a turing test Feb 12 19:44:14 hmm, doesn't build without modification because of the hildon api break Feb 12 19:44:28 Tak: adv-backlight? Feb 12 19:44:35 :/ Feb 12 19:44:38 yeah Feb 12 19:44:39 Tak: on OS2007 you should just be able to poke HAL Feb 12 19:44:42 sad Feb 12 19:45:00 :p Feb 12 19:45:02 if I get time to port it, I'll submit a patch ;-) Feb 12 19:45:07 kk :) Feb 12 19:45:11 ~lart HAL Feb 12 19:45:11 * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P HAL' action Feb 12 19:45:13 i can already detect platform Feb 12 19:45:23 so i can easily integrate that Feb 12 19:45:42 mm, doh, i'm getting my years muddled Feb 12 19:46:00 rm_you, may be an idea to look directly at the framebuffer: omapfb_show_bklight_level and static ssize_t omapfb_store_bklight_level Feb 12 19:46:19 lcuk: hrm Feb 12 19:46:26 different approach Feb 12 19:46:28 can i do that!? :P Feb 12 19:46:34 that would be much better if possible, imo Feb 12 19:46:50 ive been looking around there myself at other sections and noted them, i thought "hmmmmm rm has been workin with that" ... Feb 12 19:47:03 heh well Feb 12 19:47:11 what API can i find those in? Feb 12 19:47:54 the omapfb of the kernel but so far things work in user space if i compile them up, it might not work at all but i saw the fns Feb 12 19:48:25 (this isnt file name, but was automatically given when i extracted from web interface) drivers-video-omap-omapfb_main.c Feb 12 19:48:39 hrm Feb 12 19:52:00 err Feb 12 19:52:17 so what would i include / how would i run those functions / where are they documented? Feb 12 19:54:29 so far, the kitchen sink / with ninja calls / i think there might be a readme somewhere. im not sure yet. the omapfb is the interface to the direct hardware, stick with the documented api for now until you run up against a brick wall Feb 12 19:57:32 re Feb 12 19:57:47 Jaffa! Kree! Feb 12 19:57:50 lol Feb 12 19:57:58 Jaffa: does that ever get old? :P Feb 12 19:58:09 * SDuensin is sorry. He's new here. Feb 12 19:58:15 rm_you: nah. explaining the nick predates SG1 does though, so won't this time ;-) Feb 12 19:58:36 Jaffa: how's the media encoder thing going? :P Feb 12 19:58:39 still updating that? Feb 12 19:58:45 SDuensin: no probs, always nice to get a welcome Feb 12 19:58:49 been distracted with my own projects recently, haven't been following it Feb 12 19:59:09 rm_you: yeah, mediaserv needs a new release, but tablet-encode's got a shiny GUI (well, non-shiny but GUI) on Linux too Feb 12 19:59:11 lcuk: more performance goodness! drawing with dsp, codecs via dsp, midi synth via dsp, faster blitting with sdl! :) Feb 12 19:59:21 :P Feb 12 19:59:26 * pupnik plays the internationale Feb 12 19:59:29 shit yer! Feb 12 19:59:32 brb Feb 12 20:00:05 * Jaffa wonders if anyone's going to JavaOne in May but hasn't booked yet. I've got a refer-a-friend code begging to be used ;-) Feb 12 20:00:14 JaffaOne? Feb 12 20:01:05 lcuk: It'd be a remarkably small, and boring, conference! Feb 12 20:02:05 lol, but you could get some big speakers Feb 12 20:03:38 * Jaffa 's got some which are small and powerful in his lounge: size doesn't matter ;-) Feb 12 20:03:39 Ha Feb 12 20:10:06 Jaffa: where is it? :P Feb 12 20:11:06 cool http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Technology_Overview/images/intro_sw_stack.png Feb 12 20:12:03 * lcuk is currently somewhere in the kernel drowning Feb 12 20:12:59 rm_you: San Francisco. Feb 12 20:13:15 will you pay travel expenses? Feb 12 20:13:21 Jaffa: hrm... when in May? :P Feb 12 20:13:30 Hello folks Feb 12 20:14:14 rm_you: 6th - 9th. Feb 12 20:14:34 hrm Feb 12 20:14:39 * Jaffa is arriving on the Sunday to ensure plenty of sight-seeing Feb 12 20:16:20 hrm Feb 12 20:16:27 i wonder what my schedule is like Feb 12 20:16:35 I may have someone to stay with in SF if i went :P Feb 12 20:16:52 Hello! Feb 12 20:18:16 hello kikka :) Feb 12 20:19:34 when i scp from my vmware box to my 810 it always asks me for my password on 810, how can i get it stored? Feb 12 20:20:01 "scp filename root@10.0.0.2:/media/mmc2/filename" Feb 12 20:20:32 lcuk, use ssh keys. Feb 12 20:20:41 first time it gave authentication things, talking about RSA fingerprints etc, and did i want to save it Feb 12 20:21:10 That's normal, every SSH server has it's own RSA/DSA key depending on what version of the SSH protocol is being used. Feb 12 20:21:35 i know these keys exist, but where do i get one from and where do i put it? Feb 12 20:21:44 its got the RSA fingerprint for the device Feb 12 20:21:45 ssh-keygen -t dsa Feb 12 20:21:47 i think Feb 12 20:21:49 You need to create a private and public key pair, copy the public key to the node you wish to access and the private key on the machine you're talking from. Feb 12 20:22:07 and then throw ~/.ssh/dsa_key.pub into the other machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 Feb 12 20:22:15 Yeah, Feb 12 20:22:24 sec, let me give you a link that i always use Feb 12 20:22:29 until then i will be asked password every time with no way round Feb 12 20:22:31 ok Feb 12 20:22:56 I use: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh 10.0.0.2 sh -c "cat | /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys" Feb 12 20:23:12 Can I run Skype on my n770? Feb 12 20:23:16 Erm .. Feb 12 20:23:20 would this work within the vmware/scratchbox environment Feb 12 20:23:21 I use: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh 10.0.0.2 sh -c "cat >> /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys" Feb 12 20:23:32 Shouldn't be a pipe from that cat to the file :D Feb 12 20:23:45 its ok, i couldnt do a pipe on my 810 anyway Feb 12 20:23:57 http://cs.trinity.edu/~bmassing/Classes/CS3366_2008spring/Notes/mpi-howto/index.html Feb 12 20:24:05 shows how to do it Feb 12 20:24:11 ignore all the stuff about MPI :) Feb 12 20:24:55 <|tbb|> rm_you: abl well done! Feb 12 20:25:03 |tbb|: :P thanks Feb 12 20:25:28 is windows a norty word? Feb 12 20:25:28 <|tbb|> now you have to combine it with backlight of keyboard ;) Feb 12 20:25:56 ls Feb 12 20:26:08 |tbb|: lol, if i knew how to do that :) Feb 12 20:26:08 You can't do a pipe? It's in the special symbols panel .. Feb 12 20:26:17 |tbb|: don't even have access to an n810 for testing Feb 12 20:26:35 it never shows up by default and i hate the way it flickers my windows when it does finally arrive Feb 12 20:31:18 <|tbb|> if i install python runtime does it run any daemon which cost me memory of my tablet while no python application running? Feb 12 20:33:42 |tbb|, no, it doesn't Feb 12 20:33:52 it's only a meta-package Feb 12 20:35:26 <|tbb|> k thx Feb 12 20:38:40 pH5: right, I've finally got the code in front of me Feb 12 20:39:21 I wish they had benchmarks for mobile processors like they do for PCs. Feb 12 20:39:22 pH5: why do you think that there is code being uploaded? Could it not just be debugging info for the kernel module itself? Or do you think it's too much (diff between stripped & unstripped)? Feb 12 20:39:35 GeneralAntilles: nbench? Feb 12 20:40:24 Well, like I can get on google with a processor model and get all sorts of charts and graphs (mostly meaningless, but still). Feb 12 20:40:31 Can't get the same in the mobile world. Feb 12 20:40:46 ah, well you can for a few select models... Feb 12 20:41:02 * lardman_ looks for the benchmark info from the openmoko list Feb 12 20:43:19 lardman_: I'm absolutely sure that there is ARM code not in .text etc. sections that is stripped away. Feb 12 20:43:34 that this code is uploaded to the mbx is an assumption so far, but I dare say one that would make sense. Feb 12 20:44:25 pH5: ok, I was just wondering Feb 12 20:44:42 ~lart Google for being very very slow Feb 12 20:44:43 * infobot slaps Google around with a large trout for being very very slow Feb 12 20:45:27 this whole omap memory access thing is highly confusing to me. Feb 12 20:45:47 <|tbb|> anyone using the youtube-viewer which was posted today in #maemo Feb 12 20:46:08 GeneralAntilles: http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Application_Processor_Benchmarks sorry for the delay, took some searching Feb 12 20:46:32 Oh, sweet. Thanks, lardman_. Feb 12 20:47:01 GeneralAntilles: see if it's the kind of thing you're after; doesn't do graphics speed mind you Feb 12 20:47:24 <|tbb|> if so, do i have to install the gstreamer packages which on inz, mirror also? Feb 12 20:47:40 pH5: the whole lot was quite confusing; I started working through it from init_module Feb 12 20:48:05 pH5: but it looks like the structure has been flattened, either on purpose or by the compiler Feb 12 20:49:05 that list of source files looks good Feb 12 20:49:17 mbxinit.c Feb 12 20:49:21 if only Feb 12 20:54:43 lardman_: how do we go about analyzing this best? I have started writing down notes and some equivalent C code for select functions, but even the measly 60k of remaining linux module are quite a bit of work to reverse. Feb 12 20:54:53 maybe I should start to make a list of registers accessed. Feb 12 20:55:22 pH5: I started, but eventually one gets to a huge function into which the code jumpt in and out Feb 12 20:55:49 I suppose if it's all reveresed someone could make sense of it, but it was bloody confusing Feb 12 20:55:59 lardman_: ah, welcome to the world of compiler optimization :) Feb 12 20:56:21 lardman_: maybe we should make a list of functions and share notes to avoid duplicated work Feb 12 20:56:25 :) yes, well I'm pretty new to all this, but it's an interesting topic so am keen to learn :) Feb 12 20:57:23 the other problem with this 'optimised' code is that it's going to be quite hard to work out the main parts without doing the whole lot Feb 12 20:58:21 we should be looking for code patterns Feb 12 20:58:38 which os is this module for? Feb 12 20:58:48 Linux 2.6.14 iirc Feb 12 20:59:02 is this the old powervr driver for the agp cards? Feb 12 20:59:05 that's *oooold* Feb 12 20:59:11 lcuk_3: 2.6.14.7-omap2 ARMv6 gcc-3.4 Feb 12 20:59:17 or deffo for the proper mbx on arm Feb 12 20:59:21 oooooooh Feb 12 20:59:30 lcuk_3: from the omap2430 powervr mbx lite sdk Feb 12 21:00:05 but the code does mention both mbx and mbxlite, and the omap2420 sdk link pointed to this code, so there is a chance it's common Feb 12 21:00:07 and its just a blob Feb 12 21:00:18 it's a kenel module Feb 12 21:00:23 kernel even Feb 12 21:00:48 including a lot of debugging symbols, so disassembling works quite nicely and all the global variable names are still there. Feb 12 21:01:32 whats the exporttable like? Feb 12 21:02:01 220 functions Feb 12 21:02:19 bbiab Feb 12 21:02:23 k Feb 12 21:02:41 lcuk_3: so many clones :P Feb 12 21:02:52 cant keep em away Feb 12 21:03:04 its either a hacker on my machine or ntl are screwing up again Feb 12 21:03:40 * lcuk_3 preloads "hot babes" folder with goatse just in case Feb 12 21:05:10 ph, i might want a looksie at that in a few days if you dont mind. but first i must find out other things Feb 12 21:05:30 one more again, anyone got a wiimote to pair with the tablet? Feb 12 21:06:22 unique311_, doesnt http://pyaxelwii.garage.maemo.org/ handle that lot already? Feb 12 21:06:32 pyaxelwii doesn't seem to want to pick up my wiimote Feb 12 21:07:15 cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects Feb 12 21:07:26 from the terminal when i run pyaxelwii Feb 12 21:08:28 pyaxelwii? Feb 12 21:08:33 unique311_: i just dealt with that error a lot in something else i'm working on. maybe I could take a look and tell you what might be causing that. did it tell you which lines? Feb 12 21:08:57 no lines Feb 12 21:09:58 switchonbt should add this line to etc/sudoers ---> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hciconfig hci0 up' Feb 12 21:10:13 but /usr/sbin/hciconfig is no where to be found Feb 12 21:11:15 have you installed bluez stuff? Feb 12 21:12:16 bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.20-0osso2) but 3.22-0osso2 is to be installed Feb 12 21:12:31 Hello everyone! Feb 12 21:12:36 Good night i mean :) Feb 12 21:12:38 i think my repos are all screwed. Feb 12 21:13:03 bluez-utils is installed Feb 12 21:13:16 unique311_, chinook may have different versions than OS2008 Feb 12 21:13:25 Hey to everyone: i have just finished the second issue of the ATARASHI ezine for the maemo plattform... who wants to see it!? Feb 12 21:13:35 not sure if that's the problem here Feb 12 21:13:55 Can i post the link in here so that you guys can test it out!? Feb 12 21:13:57 jku, chinook is not os2008? Feb 12 21:14:25 chinook meaning dev environment, OS2008 meaning what you have on device Feb 12 21:14:59 Who wants to test out the new atarashi maemo ezine!? Feb 12 21:15:06 It is only 6 MB big Feb 12 21:16:17 :( ... no so much enthusiasm people! .lol. Feb 12 21:17:19 jku... would you like to test it out? Feb 12 21:18:17 holy smoke! Feb 12 21:18:36 lcuk: lol... what happend? Feb 12 21:18:39 make and deploy in one script, can i run as well? Feb 12 21:18:55 cyberholic, post the link Feb 12 21:18:56 i make in scratchbox and scp over to device, can i run it too? Feb 12 21:19:13 with 1 single small well defined shell script? Feb 12 21:19:51 jku: thanks a lot - maybe you or someone else could tell me the best way to distribute it easier as download. I thought about a .deb file but do not know yet how to make that..... Feb 12 21:19:59 the link is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi Feb 12 21:21:19 Would be great if you could tell me also if the finger-sliding solution works fine with you.... Feb 12 21:21:34 a magazine as a .deb? sounds likea a bad idea Feb 12 21:21:46 diskmag Feb 12 21:21:54 does it have muzakkk?-) Feb 12 21:22:01 i know, but if i offer the .swf file, the browser opens it on my maemo.... glass: not yet :) Feb 12 21:22:04 I'm not on the tablet ATM, so might not be a good tester Feb 12 21:22:18 cyberholic, what's wrong with that? Feb 12 21:22:27 seems like flash Feb 12 21:22:29 jku: as it is made with flash you can downlad and test it on your pc browser Feb 12 21:22:41 jku: why not just link the flash direct on the page, or at least have a link Feb 12 21:22:58 exactly Feb 12 21:23:27 so a link to the page to a file tha returns with right mimetypes would be nice Feb 12 21:23:52 jku: the problem is that i want to offer it as download, so that people can download it and read it while offline. but if they click the SWF file, the browser opens. So i had to choose the complicated way that you must rename the file.... the reason is that i want to offer it as download, as upcoming issue shall have video and musik and each issue could get nearly 20 mbs and more Feb 12 21:24:37 cyberholic: still, having the option wouldn't be too bad Feb 12 21:24:43 extra line to the page Feb 12 21:25:38 cyberholic, flash == online content, I think you just need to deal with that or change your delivery format Feb 12 21:25:48 nahhh, its the maemo way ;) he wants a job at nokia so is giving us example hurdles Feb 12 21:26:07 as a user I'm not going to start renaming files to read a online mag Feb 12 21:26:10 glass: yeah... you are right. unfortunately the flash preloader does not work yet correctly so that people would not see the process of loading. If a lot of maemo users like the ezine, i will continue it and put more work into it. at the moment i am just testing out how the usage is working like. Feb 12 21:26:49 lcuk: lol. nah. i do not want a job at nokia, because they would never ever allow me to develop my ideas :) Feb 12 21:27:28 what happened to ep1? Feb 12 21:27:32 jku: you are totally correct. that is why i would like to deal with some kind of "installer" solution so that a "usual" user that is not into *nix, debian or whatever can easily install the ezine. Feb 12 21:27:34 flash isn't that bad for offline mag like things Feb 12 21:27:46 but downloading like that and renaming is a pain Feb 12 21:28:16 if you had a proper app that would update the mag whenever in wifi area or such Feb 12 21:28:18 that would be nice Feb 12 21:28:43 "trojan" Feb 12 21:28:57 it would have to be tightened up pretty hard Feb 12 21:31:01 cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan Feb 12 21:31:40 lcuk_3, OTOH, as a non-iphone-user I had to learn a new UI to read it Feb 12 21:31:49 same here Feb 12 21:31:53 but it feels nice Feb 12 21:31:57 with mouse anyway Feb 12 21:32:14 i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at Feb 12 21:32:23 cyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess Feb 12 21:32:50 (unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect) Feb 12 21:33:08 back again... i was for some reason kicked :( Feb 12 21:33:26 cyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess Feb 12 21:33:29 (unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect) Feb 12 21:33:42 cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan Feb 12 21:33:46 i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at Feb 12 21:33:58 ok. i know how to make the htaccess.... is that the only line that must fit in there!? Feb 12 21:34:02 i thought close would close the lot so i clicked content Feb 12 21:34:30 and atarashii has two i's Feb 12 21:34:42 and no stress Feb 12 21:35:00 lcuk: thanks a lot. nah... i am not realy an iphone fan but the first issue with the "real flippingpage" effect took too much power out of the maemos heart :) so i had to find an other solution and think that i found it with this sliding..... Feb 12 21:35:40 cyberholic, basic thing here, you have a decent idea for layout, but you are missing out on so much, build your site up, show maemo tech demos play around: PUT OYR EZINE ONLINE and link with google adwords - every page should be sponsored by bloody google, you are missing out on a fortune Feb 12 21:35:41 alb: i know :) but i was afraid that everyon not knowing that would think of it beeing a WII ezine by nintendo ;( Feb 12 21:36:23 it looks like you are a google employee - every page has their name on it Feb 12 21:36:38 lcuk: i know... i was producing a sports ezine for nearly 12 months with a friend and all we had was not a cent of income but thousands of hours of work :( ... if you want to, you can see it at http://beta.endorphinum.de Feb 12 21:36:41 なるほど Feb 12 21:36:44 (and why cant i even click link to open a popup with search results? Feb 12 21:37:14 i am working on that! Feb 12 21:37:31 do you think that google thing is ok or shall i put it without the links? Feb 12 21:38:07 i expect to be able to click on words if they tell me to google them, especially on a tablet Feb 12 21:38:28 especially with a swf web application (*even if it might be offline) Feb 12 21:38:40 correct! i hope i can manage that without disturbing the sliding-script Feb 12 21:38:41 at the very least you should allow us to copy text of them Feb 12 21:38:50 bah, make sports blog with good content Feb 12 21:38:58 i bet that would get viewers Feb 12 21:38:59 mango: what do you mean? Feb 12 21:39:24 ah, sure, but that is not very unique :)... have you opened the Beta-Sway ezine? You won`t find another sports magazine like that out there! Feb 12 21:39:40 also, if you shrink the browser window to 800x<480 as you near 0 height you can see infinite pages! Feb 12 21:39:48 * lcuk_3 speed reads Feb 12 21:40:25 i'm just thinking with a blog readers can easily plonk it in an RSS reader and not have to remember to visit the site every X days for an update ;) Feb 12 21:42:21 mango: that is correct but our aim was to "slow" down the usual sports-surfer. That is why there is also the "real flipping page effect" - that is very user unfriendly but brings more the feeling of reading and relaxing into it. Feb 12 21:42:37 whats the n810 keyboard like? Feb 12 21:42:59 cyberholic: who wantst to slow down though.. Feb 12 21:43:20 me :) Feb 12 21:43:51 edistar: you'll have to be more specific Feb 12 21:43:54 cyberholic5356: whats your ezine about? Feb 12 21:44:34 edistar: wich one do you mean? Beta-Sway is for urban sports athletes like runners, cyclists etc. And atarashi i sooner or later want to make as a monthly maemo ezine that you can download. Feb 12 21:44:40 elb: can you type fast, are the keys nice to touch or do the wobble, do they always react etc Feb 12 21:45:12 why would a call to getenv(...) fail when i run a command with root ssh vs the same command run with root putty? Feb 12 21:45:24 typing fast is ... relative; the keys feel nice to me, and they have reasonable feedback; they always react Feb 12 21:45:29 cyberholic5356: good luck:) if I remember I'll read it too Feb 12 21:45:43 elb: thx Feb 12 21:45:57 edistar: thanks. the second issue is just online since a few hours. Feb 12 21:46:11 the key quality is very mobile-phone-like, but it's good quality mobile phone key Feb 12 21:46:27 (better than my wife's nokia phone ;-)) Feb 12 21:46:31 cyberholic5356: where to get the software and mag? Feb 12 21:47:05 edistar: you do not need a software. the mag is viewable at http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi Feb 12 21:51:26 hi people is there a way to stop n800 from turning off the wlan device if it is not associated with any Access point. I am using iwlist to scan the wifi channel, however i figured out that it starts to fail when association with AP is lost . Feb 12 21:52:37 and iwconfig showed that device is powered down Feb 12 21:53:56 indolent, yeah I had the same problem Feb 12 21:54:29 I scan with my own code, and there I just reinitialize the interface whenever scanning fails Feb 12 21:54:54 jku, how do you reinitialize? Feb 12 21:54:57 basically set flags |= (IFF_UP | IFF_RUNNING) Feb 12 21:55:02 jku... do you have an example for the "force download"? i just developed the htaccess file but it does not work.. i googled now and saw that i can even add it as "type" in an a href but both ways do not work.... can you help me? Feb 12 21:55:10 if that says anything to you... Feb 12 21:55:55 cyberholic5356, sorry I haven't been following that discussion. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? Feb 12 21:56:10 oh sorry :( *shame on me* Feb 12 21:56:25 jku, where do you set these flags . sry i am not so familiar with n800 programming Feb 12 21:56:35 indolent, I'd guess that restarting iwlist scan would do the trick? Feb 12 21:56:46 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; fi-FI; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080206 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.9 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_0.2008.06-10 Feb 12 21:57:05 (seen in my access_log for synthesize.us) Feb 12 21:57:25 leif__, :) Feb 12 21:57:29 also an en-GB version Feb 12 21:57:47 jku: no. once the device is powered off, iwlist starts to complain that no device found Feb 12 21:57:54 both appear to have installed the lcars theme... i wonder if it works in diablo :) Feb 12 21:58:04 anything known about RX-48 yet? Feb 12 21:58:09 indolent so scanning doesn't work if you're disconnected? Feb 12 21:58:17 doesn't work at all? Feb 12 21:58:20 jku: yes . Feb 12 21:58:42 oh, ok. then iwlist scan does something different from what I do Feb 12 21:58:53 jku, when i get disconnected from an AP scanning fails Feb 12 21:59:37 indolent, that's sort of expected: someone shuts down the interface Feb 12 22:00:05 but you just need to start it up somehow when that happens... Feb 12 22:00:49 jku: yes :) . I tried using iwconfig commands like mode and power, but they dont seem to work Feb 12 22:01:33 wireless is tricky -- should try sacrificing a rubber chicken or something Feb 12 22:02:01 is there a power management configuration file or something.. Feb 12 22:02:26 from where I can delete wireless device :) Feb 12 22:03:33 Wow, it's really annoying that the wayfinder stuff sends you to some random finnish payment gateway Feb 12 22:03:59 ah, think of the devil... Feb 12 22:04:27 indolent, I was just going to suggest you try kismet Feb 12 22:04:38 rm_you, here's an idea: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=141675&postcount=8 Feb 12 22:05:14 jku: i tried kismet, but that also fails when i get disconnected from AP, Feb 12 22:05:55 nanny is way too powerful .. Feb 12 22:05:55 indolent, are running these as root? Feb 12 22:06:03 jku: yes Feb 12 22:09:17 GeneralAntilles: hrm Feb 12 22:09:36 yeah i posted a response Feb 12 22:11:31 Running kismet and being connected to an AP are orthogonal Feb 12 22:12:26 rm_you, might make a cool feature once you get a prefs dialog in. Feb 12 22:12:56 Just run the script once a second when the applet is open? Feb 12 22:12:58 Ok everyone... as the force download does not work, i changed the atarashi maemo-ezine so that you can download it, if you press and hold the DOWNLOAD button. Then through the context-menu go and download it to your device. Just in case someone would like to know.... here is the link once again: http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi Feb 12 22:13:00 yeah... i guess? i'm not sure what he's talking about Feb 12 22:13:03 no n810 >_> Feb 12 22:13:31 Yeah, I dunno why he can't use it. Feb 12 22:13:46 But ag2 put out a little console script that polls the light meter on the N810. Feb 12 22:13:53 GeneralAntilles: and that's NOT a good idea, i believe.... because that will keep the CPU from sleeping very much <_< Feb 12 22:13:57 hmmmmm, now that was interesting Feb 12 22:14:06 Putting a readout in the applet could be interesting Feb 12 22:14:13 rm_you, only have it update when it's open. Feb 12 22:14:28 when it's popped down, you mean? Feb 12 22:14:34 wouldnt that defeat the purpose? Feb 12 22:14:45 of having it automatically adjust? Feb 12 22:14:51 Why would it defeat the purpose? Feb 12 22:15:04 i just screwed up my program writing to the screen. through code error i got caught in a loop and ended up forcing reboot with power button. i saw flashes of the "CHarging..." thing you get with power off, but my program still had control and was running Feb 12 22:15:13 i thought all apps were shutdown at poweroff? Feb 12 22:15:17 I'm thinking of having it print out a lux reading Feb 12 22:15:24 not update the backlight based on that reading. Feb 12 22:15:28 wouldnt you want it to autoadjust by itself without having to click around with the applet? if you're going to click down the applet to have it autoadjust the light level, you might as well just click the right level yourself >_> Feb 12 22:15:50 well... i don't think that's what he's asking for? it sounded to me like he wanted it to autoadjust Feb 12 22:15:57 Maybe Feb 12 22:15:58 dunno Feb 12 22:15:58 but i'm not sure, because he wasn't very clear Feb 12 22:16:02 But I still like my idea. :D Feb 12 22:16:20 option: [ ] Show Light Meter Readout Feb 12 22:16:25 neither of you even *have* N810s anyways... Feb 12 22:16:29 johnx: lol Feb 12 22:16:34 johnx: seen the new version? :P Feb 12 22:16:42 in the space it takes to give the option why not just give the readout? Feb 12 22:16:44 Shut up, johnx. :P Feb 12 22:16:50 * johnx hasn't seen any version... Feb 12 22:17:01 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141681 Feb 12 22:17:13 lcuk_3: the options pane wouldnt be always up Feb 12 22:17:19 it'd be in the control panel or something Feb 12 22:17:44 slick! Feb 12 22:17:50 i'm trying to keep it minimal looking... Feb 12 22:17:59 the whole POINT is to conserve space and such Feb 12 22:18:10 can you add a game of tetris? Feb 12 22:18:12 rm_you, nice Feb 12 22:18:28 lol Feb 12 22:18:30 maybe a flight simulator? Feb 12 22:18:39 just a small one Feb 12 22:18:51 oooh...something like google earth! Feb 12 22:18:53 conserving space is only essential if you have a lot to fit on the screen Feb 12 22:18:57 you guys are evil Feb 12 22:19:36 i would want a big button at either end "dimmest" "brightest" Feb 12 22:19:47 no need to aim or anything Feb 12 22:19:58 (but thats just me) Feb 12 22:22:02 lcuk_3, when it says "charging" it is in a different linux runlevel, not all processes are stopped Feb 12 22:22:12 Barack Obama voted FOR the Patriot Act, more funding for America's aggression in Iraq, and every increased spending measure he could get his lying articulate hands on. Hmmm lets add some more contradictions and exposed lies...... In the NH debate, he called for going into Pakistan. In many speaches he has advocated going into Africa for peacekeeping. (Sounds like that would be worse than Vietnam!) Feb 12 22:22:17 Oh yeah!!! THAT WILL REALLY HEAL AMERICA. Keep on believing it Obamatards. You all will be sorry, as Barack Hussein Obama is no better than Clinton or Edwards. Feb 12 22:22:53 O.o Feb 12 22:23:03 wrong channel? :P Feb 12 22:23:17 maybe thats why people are having problems with rebooting - if a runaway process (like mine was) is running then they cant do it without popping battery - thats what i did. i thought it rebooted and loaded up in battery mode (which would ensure the progs are stable) Feb 12 22:24:03 nope, it doesn't reboot when you "switch off" with the power plugged in Feb 12 22:24:38 sorry, juggling half a dozen things. People with wifi problems: If your signal goes away and it drops dead randomly, try changing channels at least 6 channels away from what you're using. (ie, 6 to 1 or 11, 1 to 6 or 11, etc). It could be noise (ie cordless phone, microwave, etc) or it could be a competing network which knocks yours out when it gets saturated. Try somewhere far away in the spectrum and see if it's better. Feb 12 22:25:39 if you ssh into the tablet and switch off into charging mode, it goes offline but doesn't break the connection... so, when you turn it back on and reconnect the wifi, your ssh connection is still alive Feb 12 22:27:24 hmmm so even if i manually switch off its not even close to being off Feb 12 22:27:52 Here's my crappy, badly done mockup: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-mockup.jpg Feb 12 22:30:36 GeneralAntilles, what's it good for? Feb 12 22:30:46 What good for? Feb 12 22:30:57 the lux number Feb 12 22:31:04 the settings button i agree with :) Feb 12 22:31:18 Tell you how bright your environment is. Feb 12 22:31:24 :) Feb 12 22:31:28 Some people may like it. Feb 12 22:31:33 Light meters are expensive. Feb 12 22:31:35 blind people? Feb 12 22:31:38 lcuk_3, you just need to switch off with the power unplugged and then it will really shutdown Feb 12 22:31:40 some people may use their eyes Feb 12 22:31:56 Make kind of a cool option. Feb 12 22:32:03 Mildly interesting demo feature. Feb 12 22:32:08 Sure Feb 12 22:32:09 GeneralAntilles: yeah, i can add an option to it. Feb 12 22:32:14 will need to add config file parsing <_< Feb 12 22:32:32 but that was inevitable Feb 12 22:32:34 how about reading the thermometer too? Feb 12 22:32:39 lol Feb 12 22:32:49 Also not a bad optoin. Feb 12 22:32:49 * rm_you was trying to keep the application minimal Feb 12 22:32:56 s/optoin/option/ Feb 12 22:32:57 GeneralAntilles meant: Also not a bad option. Feb 12 22:32:58 i guess <_< Feb 12 22:33:09 Meh, as long as it's an option. :P Feb 12 22:33:12 rm_you, good goal, don't give up Feb 12 22:33:27 minimal schminimal Feb 12 22:33:41 lol Feb 12 22:33:46 i'm a CLI guy <_< Feb 12 22:34:09 each application should be minimal, and do one specific function, WELL.. Feb 12 22:34:42 you want your terminal to handle input AND output? Feb 12 22:36:29 <||cw> do one things and do it well is great and all, but when a project needs to use several things that really slow things down, whihc is why we have libraries and API's Feb 12 22:37:04 anyone knows how to enable internet access on scratchbox? Feb 12 22:37:11 * GeneralAntilles enjoys encouraging feature creep. Feb 12 22:38:01 I'm a fan of CLI minimalism, but if you're going to display the LUX reading then the temp is the next logical step... Feb 12 22:38:17 not to mention flight simulator Feb 12 22:38:21 Something completely offtopic: Any canadian in here? Feb 12 22:38:31 jku, that obviously is the next next step Feb 12 22:38:51 Blafasel: pretty soon I will be in canada Feb 12 22:39:31 and u? Feb 12 22:40:09 NeoStrider_: Any insight into the canadion legislation? I just read a document outlining the legal part of a kind of "lottery" (vmware giving away iPhones). Feb 12 22:41:03 1) Quebec is excluded explicitly (and I've seen this part more than once), 2) any winner from canada (and only from there) has to pass a "test question without help" to claim the price. Feb 12 22:41:04 Blafasel: they got cassinos, right? Feb 12 22:41:46 Seems like they are nuts about those kind of things and I'd like to learn what's up with that. Yeah, completely OT, but.. Crazy. Fascinating. Feb 12 22:42:01 leif__: yes, that would be the next step from lux... but i was referring to just lux as feature creep ^_^ Feb 12 22:43:42 Blafasel: nuts about iPhone, you mean? Feb 12 22:45:07 rm_you, seriously speaking IMO it is feature creep and shouldn't be there -- I like the automatic brightness change based on it, but lux should not be visible Feb 12 22:45:29 jku: so we're agreed :P Feb 12 22:45:41 i'm open to be convinced otherwise, but IMO it would actually detract <_< Feb 12 22:47:38 How does Nokia do their brightness changes+ Feb 12 22:47:40 ? Feb 12 22:47:41 NeoStrider_: No, about winning stuff (online? no idea) Feb 12 22:47:51 perhaps a desktop applet would be a better place to display sensor readings Feb 12 22:48:21 leif__, that's a better idea for those interested in them... Feb 12 22:48:48 Blafasel: its not about the prize, its thrills Feb 12 22:51:17 GeneralAntilles, that should be Free, let me check Feb 12 22:52:41 no, I was wrong Feb 12 22:57:55 modern technology: when you have to look at your hardware to tell you how bright it is... Feb 12 23:00:53 Specific lux readings can be quite useful. :P Feb 12 23:01:13 now we just need a couple more sensors to get to "tricorder" level... Feb 12 23:01:32 and a spectrometer... Feb 12 23:01:39 whoever wants to know the size of the skin area of the hildonwindow should retrieve the "borders" property :) Feb 12 23:01:41 Radar! Feb 12 23:02:19 Geiger.. Feb 12 23:02:26 rschuster, out of curiosity what is it? like 720x440 or so? Feb 12 23:02:58 I actually just saw something on how to make your own IR based "personal radar" Feb 12 23:07:25 lcuk_3: this time future has won ;) Feb 12 23:13:10 lol Feb 12 23:13:13 Tricorder :P Feb 12 23:19:22 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils-debian/trunk/changelog lots of new features in the 3 Feb update Feb 12 23:20:10 someone just needs to make an app that takes readings from temp and light and then uses them to display a bunch of graphical gauges and blinking lights and spinning things :P Feb 12 23:20:24 and makes beeping noises randomly Feb 12 23:21:10 There's RX-48 again. Feb 12 23:21:20 yeah, thats what led me there :) Feb 12 23:21:36 automatic audio service start? Huh Feb 12 23:21:49 does handsfree profile support mean making calls with rtcomm? Feb 12 23:21:58 ...heh, all we're missing is an accelleromoter and a vibrator Feb 12 23:22:57 oooh, AVRCP by default Feb 12 23:22:59 leif__, can't think of anything else Feb 12 23:23:02 awesome Feb 12 23:23:04 lol Feb 12 23:24:15 thats what lets the bluetooth headphones control volume/playback via their hardware buttons, right? Feb 12 23:24:25 HSP yea Feb 12 23:24:33 yeah, and the SBC optimizations mean A2DP will be more efficient Feb 12 23:24:40 so if anyone is looking for a list of things to put in a home applet applet, we'd like lux, temp, wifi signal strength, cpu freq scaling, battery percentage, and what else? Feb 12 23:24:52 network traffic graph Feb 12 23:24:59 ping times maybe? Feb 12 23:25:18 we could just use conky at this rate... Feb 12 23:25:18 a checklist to turn on/off all of the crazy options people stuff in thre Feb 12 23:25:23 IP address Feb 12 23:26:13 oh, the ability to stretch the stupid bar, so ALL the applets show up Feb 12 23:26:22 that'd be hot Feb 12 23:26:30 ? Feb 12 23:26:40 This is a home applet Feb 12 23:26:42 oh Feb 12 23:26:43 nm Feb 12 23:26:43 not a statusbar applet Feb 12 23:26:46 ^_^ Feb 12 23:26:54 But, statusbar size is a theme thing, anyway. Feb 12 23:27:06 i don't think themes can make more applets show up there Feb 12 23:27:13 i didn't think it was Feb 12 23:27:33 compete applet position configurablity! Feb 12 23:27:55 the size of the thing is defined in the theme's matchbox.xml file, but somehow I doubt making it wider would cause more applets to be displayed Feb 12 23:28:03 that'd be nice Feb 12 23:28:58 what about the ability to scroll the home applet bar down so a large amount of applets could be put on it. like a conveyor belt [with the taskswitcher part static at the bottom] Feb 12 23:29:21 also, look in ~/.osso/desktop.conf (I think) Feb 12 23:29:32 there is some mumbling there about the statusbar but I haven't played with it Feb 12 23:29:47 * Mousey is a relative newbie to this whole hildon thing, so please forgive me Feb 12 23:30:18 or! Feb 12 23:30:21 drawers! Feb 12 23:30:26 like on gnome panels Feb 12 23:30:27 ^_^ Feb 12 23:30:47 * johnx just wants a proper nextstep/windowmaker/macosx dock... Feb 12 23:30:49 ah yeah the size of the hildon-desktop panels are defined in the .osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf as well as the matchbox.xml Feb 12 23:31:07 ew Feb 12 23:31:32 in lcars we shaved five pixels from the statusbar (whole titlebar actually) in the matchbox xml Feb 12 23:31:35 not nextstep/windowmaker/macosx. this is a tablet, tablet and desktop UI use cases differ greatly Feb 12 23:31:48 15 from the whole titlebar, 5 from the statusbar Feb 12 23:31:58 * Mousey LOVES the lcars on the n810! t'was the belle of the ball at SCALE this year! Feb 12 23:32:17 thanks :) Feb 12 23:32:23 what is SCALE? Feb 12 23:33:07 http://socallinuxexpo.org Feb 12 23:33:15 Mousey, believe me, I know about different use cases, but I've already tried windowmaker on the N800...all it needs is single click instead of double click to be pretty reasonable Feb 12 23:33:20 suprised me nokia wasn't there.. especially since the raffle was for an n810 Feb 12 23:33:52 johnx: i still maintain that the bar along the left should be scrollable like the album list or the song list in canola Feb 12 23:34:10 except the icon at the bottom for shoing all running tasks Feb 12 23:34:24 it would fit how people use the tablet a lot better than a static dock Feb 12 23:34:42 the ONLY other n810 at scale was mine Feb 12 23:34:52 and if i let anybody look at it, 8 people later i'd get it back Feb 12 23:34:56 there were n800s to be sure tho Feb 12 23:35:03 which library/include do i need to use mutex_unlock(struct mutex *m) ?? Feb 12 23:35:19 even rasterman [of enlightenment.org fame] was at SCALE showing how canola used his EFL stuff Feb 12 23:35:36 the nice thing about a dock is that there is *one* instance of an application, whether it's running or not Feb 12 23:36:34 lcuk_3: maybe pthreads ? Feb 12 23:36:54 johnx: i don't think that is an incompatible idea to what I'd love to see Feb 12 23:37:11 like how OSX has the dock and the tasklist on the same construction Feb 12 23:37:37 its just when i have 8 apps open there's no way for me to see the rest of the icons unless i open the taskbar applet Feb 12 23:37:43 i'd much rather scroll it Feb 12 23:37:51 and be able to place launchers Feb 12 23:38:03 and live docklets would ALSO be awesome, but i want the moon, i think Feb 12 23:38:20 Mousey, notice how if you hide an app instead of minimize it, it doesn't add an extra icon? Feb 12 23:38:21 thx Tama^2 ill have a look Feb 12 23:38:44 johnx: UI rule breaking mind bending nonsense.. Feb 12 23:39:08 although, for those who like a clean interface, it suites Feb 12 23:39:17 they're still avail thru the taskapplet Feb 12 23:39:28 whatever the hell it's called, i don't even know if it has a name Feb 12 23:39:29 I don't see a reason to have a minimize option at all, really... Feb 12 23:39:40 true, it's not necessarily windowing Feb 12 23:39:50 but i do use it a lot Feb 12 23:39:59 the minimize on the tablet already acts more like hide anyways Feb 12 23:40:07 wait Feb 12 23:40:18 it does still show on the panel if u minimise Feb 12 23:40:41 right but it doesn't *add* another icon Feb 12 23:40:49 well that's good right? Feb 12 23:40:55 the icon is there regardless Feb 12 23:40:59 if it's running, there's an icon Feb 12 23:41:08 yeah, I just want the icon there whether it's running or not Feb 12 23:41:14 that's called a launcher Feb 12 23:41:30 dock is a unified launcher and task manager Feb 12 23:41:31 if it was scrollable, then there's every reason to be able to add launchers Feb 12 23:41:34 that's why I want a dock Feb 12 23:41:38 we agree Feb 12 23:41:44 alright Feb 12 23:41:48 i also want drawers Feb 12 23:41:51 so i can group launchers Feb 12 23:41:57 ^_^ Feb 12 23:41:57 drawers might be nice Feb 12 23:42:08 makes more sense than menus Feb 12 23:42:15 tho menus have their place Feb 12 23:42:26 god that'd be hot Feb 12 23:42:34 ok, i'm getting too excited for nothing. sorry Feb 12 23:42:44 too bad neither of us are up to coding it... Feb 12 23:43:09 actually...a new task navigator plugin *could* do this I *think* Feb 12 23:43:44 is it possible to develop TN plugins in python? Feb 12 23:43:50 I wish Nokia open sourced *their* task navigator plugins so I new where to start... Feb 12 23:43:58 leif__, I don't even know... Feb 12 23:44:01 and/or without scratchbox? Feb 12 23:44:40 really not a fan of scratchbox? Feb 12 23:44:43 i'm on linuxppc mostly so i can't use scratchbox :( Feb 12 23:45:09 i have an intel system but it doesn't get turned on much Feb 12 23:45:10 well, you can always dev natively on qemu... Feb 12 23:45:34 leif__, are you on debian/ubuntu? Feb 12 23:45:42 yes, debian Feb 12 23:45:50 and ubuntu also Feb 12 23:45:51 apt-cache search hildon :) Feb 12 23:45:52 :) Feb 12 23:46:14 yes i've played with ubuntu mobile a bit Feb 12 23:46:28 the task navigator doesn't run by default there Feb 12 23:46:39 on debian they're grabbing Nokia's flavor of Maemo Feb 12 23:46:56 so i've seen, nothing in the official repos yet tho afaik Feb 12 23:47:06 ah Feb 12 23:47:14 it's mostly there as source Feb 12 23:47:31 I assume the autobuilders haven't done a build for PPC or ARM yet... Feb 12 23:49:02 ubuntu mobile on powerpc wasn't much fun, as they rely on flash Feb 12 23:49:11 maybe it would work with gnash tho, i haven't tried Feb 12 23:49:20 * johnx hates flash Feb 12 23:49:33 * leif__ also hates flash Feb 12 23:49:52 * lcuk_3 thinks flash is better than silverlight Feb 12 23:49:56 my N800 is the only thing I use regularly that has it installed :) Feb 12 23:50:14 leif__, I already found flashblock for microb... Feb 12 23:51:03 I just leave it disabled until i need it, plugins can be toggled in the menu at the bottom right Feb 12 23:51:07 anyways, I actually compiled enough hildon stuff to run a full hildon "session" in debian on the N800 Feb 12 23:51:27 what task navigator plugins worked? Feb 12 23:51:29 apps menu? Feb 12 23:51:31 app switcher? Feb 12 23:51:34 nothing else, right? Feb 12 23:51:37 apps menu and switcher Feb 12 23:51:47 nope, no home applets, no status bar applets, nothing Feb 12 23:52:07 it's the Nokia version of "open source" Feb 12 23:53:09 >_> Feb 12 23:53:39 why won't my wimmote pair with my NIT Feb 12 23:54:00 I wish they would just finish the job they started and open source the rest of the stuff in hildon... the only stuff left is almost trivial (BACKLIGHT APP!?!? WTF) Feb 12 23:54:14 i tried pairing with hcitool cc MACID Feb 12 23:54:18 still no go Feb 12 23:54:26 rm_you, it's not trivial when *combined* Feb 12 23:54:30 johnx: yea, well i can't code at all, i'm more of a hardware guy =/ Feb 12 23:54:33 <_< Feb 12 23:54:35 sure it is Feb 12 23:54:37 combined it makes up most of the functionality of the device Feb 12 23:54:56 browser UI is closed source, parts of the calculator Feb 12 23:54:58 cp hildon/*.[ch] /var/www/hildon-source/ Feb 12 23:54:59 done Feb 12 23:55:28 >_> Feb 12 23:55:41 johnx, did you try building the rss-reader-applet on debian? Feb 12 23:55:48 it is the one open applet afaik Feb 12 23:55:59 <|tbb|> rm_you: dont u want to add the advance display settings to the advance back light app? Feb 12 23:56:00 I'll need to see what it depends on Feb 12 23:56:16 speaking of Feb 12 23:56:31 anyone know why i can't xfer files to/from my treo700p? Feb 12 23:56:33 |tbb|: i considered it, not sure how to get to that though Feb 12 23:56:39 i may try to figure it out... Feb 12 23:59:29 <|tbb|> anyone tested youtube viewer Feb 13 00:01:10 i wonder what all the libhildonfm related packages are doing in ubuntu (and going into debian too apparently) given that osso-filemanager-ui is closed Feb 13 00:01:42 leif__, booting my n800 into debian now...I think something else depends on them Feb 13 00:01:45 will check Feb 13 00:06:43 leif__: good, the osso-filemanager sucks Feb 13 00:06:52 except for the zeroconf and smb stuff Feb 13 00:07:04 why can't it show the filesystem proper?!? Feb 13 00:07:06 * Mousey cries Feb 13 00:07:11 but it sure would be nice to have it as a starting point Feb 13 00:07:29 any replacement for it will have to be from the ground up... Feb 13 00:09:06 Mousey, tried gpe filemanager? Feb 13 00:11:51 mutex is a function in the kernel, how do i link to it with gcc? Feb 13 00:12:00 is it just like i do -lX11 ? Feb 13 00:12:12 but i have to know the library name Feb 13 00:13:31 johnx: yea.. i use it, but it's not good for cross-partition/device/network xfers Feb 13 00:13:54 ...or i'm too ignorant about it Feb 13 00:18:06 Mousey: scp or rsync for network transfers >_> Feb 13 00:18:21 or cross device/partition Feb 13 00:18:30 <<--- CLI guy, again Feb 13 00:19:24 a lightweight filemanager supporting gvfs would be really awesome... Feb 13 00:20:02 Mousey, this might cause problems with the media crawler (iirc it did) but it is easy enough to browse the whole filesystem with the osso-filemanger... Feb 13 00:20:15 ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/filesystem Feb 13 00:21:36 leif__: well, the way it displays the device initially in the navigation tree on the left, it shows a pesudo-folder structure which is very confounding for me.. While i'm a newschool GUI user, i've been in linux for almost 14 years. I prefer truth in GUI.. ^_^ Feb 13 00:21:42 oh Feb 13 00:21:44 that's a good idea!! Feb 13 00:22:08 that's brilliant Feb 13 00:22:14 heh Feb 13 00:22:14 * Mousey huggles leif__ Feb 13 00:22:29 only irc huggles tho, i'm married Feb 13 00:22:34 don't blame me when the media crawler drains your battery in an infinite loop Feb 13 00:22:47 hmm Feb 13 00:22:58 (not sure if it still does that, but it did in 2007 i think) Feb 13 00:23:04 interesting Feb 13 00:23:32 i'm not maemo-acclimated enough to file bug reports yet, but i'm getting more and more irritated that i don't have scratchbox installed yet Feb 13 00:23:47 ugh, and i talk too much.. ^_^ Feb 13 00:25:15 I can confirm that metalayer-crawler gets itself into loops in OS2008 as well Feb 13 00:25:42 just give it an SD card with an ext2 partition holding a debian install and it goes *nuts* almost instantly... Feb 13 00:27:09 Anybody watch CNN? Feb 13 00:31:36 Mousey: it's nice to see someone besides myself spam #maemo a bit :P Feb 13 00:31:53 I tend to talk about 400% more than than anyone else here (when i'm online) Feb 13 00:31:59 it happens :P Feb 13 00:32:31 though the key there is probably "when I'm online"... because when others are online and i'm not, they're talking infinately more :P Feb 13 00:34:46 rm_you: ty! ^_^ Feb 13 00:35:10 I just feel the least equipped to be so verbose, having come so late to the party Feb 13 00:35:16 and only being a hardware dude Feb 13 00:35:20 but still Feb 13 00:35:20 damn Feb 13 00:35:25 i LOVE this tablet Feb 13 00:35:34 the UMPC era is really here! Feb 13 00:35:48 linux is on my desktop this year :) Feb 13 00:35:53 haha Feb 13 00:36:03 i've been doing the linux desktop professionally for years Feb 13 00:36:05 in fact Feb 13 00:36:09 ack bbl Feb 13 00:36:10 yeah, it will be interesting to see what intel turns up in terms of low power x86 chips in the coming year or two Feb 13 00:36:21 this year marks the 10th year i HAVEN'T used windows Feb 13 00:36:35 wow...probably me too Feb 13 00:36:39 i've missed 2000, xp, and now vista Feb 13 00:36:40 i feel now like i never got closer than "that looks like a nice game" and booted back to windows Feb 13 00:36:40 I have to think about that Feb 13 00:37:04 well I've still dual booted for games from time to time Feb 13 00:37:07 i've even recently become an apple hater Feb 13 00:37:12 even though it's hard to argue with success Feb 13 00:37:14 but i havent felt like this about anything since my amiga died Feb 13 00:37:22 I *had* to play HL2... Feb 13 00:37:25 and portal Feb 13 00:37:32 portal is my current squeeze Feb 13 00:37:46 thou ive been ignoring GLaDOS for a bit too long Feb 13 00:37:48 johnx: dude, i bought the Orange Box becuase out-of-the-box WINE runs TF2, Portal, and all the HL2s just fine Feb 13 00:37:48 but windows lost the main spot on my desktop in mid 1998 I guess Feb 13 00:37:57 i've never used windows much, haven't had an install in many years Feb 13 00:38:02 in fact: Feb 13 00:38:03 there was a larger than real size Companion Cube at Ikkicon :P Feb 13 00:38:06 quit using OS X about 1.25 years ago now Feb 13 00:38:17 I got to hug it :P Feb 13 00:38:24 have you seen the small actual weighted models Feb 13 00:38:28 leif__: yea, i hate OSX's interface Feb 13 00:38:32 like large dice Feb 13 00:38:33 Mousey, my rig is borderline able to cope with portal so I just dual booted Feb 13 00:38:35 I'm also becoming more of an apple hater as time goes on Feb 13 00:38:35 http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/15/how-to-run-team-fortress-2-half-life-2-hl2-ep-12-in-ubuntu-using-wine/ Feb 13 00:38:37 I made one of the papercraft ones Feb 13 00:38:41 and weighted it with pennies :P Feb 13 00:38:46 johnx: probably runs better under linux then Feb 13 00:38:51 uhm no Feb 13 00:38:52 Apple's mobile forays are disappointing me. Feb 13 00:38:56 it runs worse...I tested it... Feb 13 00:38:59 GeneralAntilles: you use a Mac >_> Feb 13 00:39:05 I really don't like the Apple Computer, Inc. -> Apple, Inc. deal. Feb 13 00:39:09 i dont like companion cube with the heart, the original evil cube looks better Feb 13 00:39:15 I love OS X. Feb 13 00:39:22 Don't care for the iPods/iPhone. Feb 13 00:39:29 GeneralAntilles: i can tell because of all the ridiculously annoying extra folders and files that get included in the zips you send me :P Feb 13 00:39:29 lcuk_3, did you not finish portal? Feb 13 00:39:36 Haha Feb 13 00:39:48 johnx, yes, i died in the fire, why? Feb 13 00:39:50 __MACOSX Feb 13 00:39:54 .DSStore Feb 13 00:40:01 >_> Feb 13 00:40:03 * GeneralAntilles should sanitize them first. Feb 13 00:40:09 lcuk_3: >_> Feb 13 00:40:11 lcuk_3, then I won't spoil anything for you... Feb 13 00:40:20 John you plonker, "This was a triumph!" Feb 13 00:40:26 lol Feb 13 00:40:32 "I'm making a note here..." Feb 13 00:40:36 :P Feb 13 00:40:42 of bloody course i finished it, its a gr8 game Feb 13 00:40:46 I just mean, the companion cube with a heart was in the game... Feb 13 00:40:46 :P Feb 13 00:40:49 ack! bbl Feb 13 00:40:54 GeneralAntilles, you should export COPY_EXTENDED_ATTRIBUTES_DISABLE=1 before using apple's GNU tar Feb 13 00:41:01 the only one that *is* a companion cube has a heart... Feb 13 00:41:23 * lcuk_3 tries to get gcc to link with the kernel. i wanna function out of there Feb 13 00:41:56 i know but i prefer throwing the other one around Feb 13 00:42:11 some like blondes....others brunettes Feb 13 00:42:30 some like blow up dolls...some like the real thing Feb 13 00:42:34 it's understandable :P Feb 13 00:43:15 the only thing i would wonder is what creature are they inflating? Feb 13 00:46:09 leif__: walled gardens. pretty if you pay the gardner, but don't touch the flowers. Feb 13 00:49:46 pupnik, yep Feb 13 00:51:53 walled gardens: sometimes waaay better than being alone in the desert Feb 13 01:28:40 goodnight once more, internets! Feb 13 01:46:17 I have to drop cpu cycles down to 600 in the Wing Commander Bar scene to get smooth SB2 sound/music Feb 13 01:46:20 at which point CPU load is showing 85% Feb 13 01:48:20 "the Wing Commander Bar scene" <--- I automatically thought of Space Balls bar scene Feb 13 01:57:38 9hehe Feb 13 01:57:48 dosbox is making me cry Feb 13 01:57:54 D: Feb 13 01:58:05 lcuk_3: when you figure it out, let me know Feb 13 01:58:32 which? Feb 13 01:58:43 the inflatables or the mutex Feb 13 01:59:32 err Feb 13 01:59:50 werent you talking about some function you wanted to be able to call? Feb 13 02:00:06 similar to one i might want to call to get/set the backlight level on the framebuffer? Feb 13 02:00:08 or something? Feb 13 02:00:23 i was barely paying attention the first time, sorry >_> lol Feb 13 02:02:16 good point, ive been sidetracked getting exclusive access to the frame buffer, i may need to become a kernel module if i want it Feb 13 02:05:23 lcuk_3, I don't think you can link to the kernel...do you just want to borrow the mutext function or does it need to do something in kernel space? Feb 13 02:06:29 is the OS2008 kernel built with uinput? Feb 13 02:08:45 I don't see UINPUT in the kernel .config file Feb 13 02:08:56 do you know what the name of it is? CONFIG_UINPUT? Feb 13 02:09:44 i still think this monitor thing is the coolest ever :P Feb 13 02:09:56 hmm? monitor thing? Feb 13 02:10:02 give me a minute Feb 13 02:10:40 Not sure. The module itself is just uinput and is called uinput in menuconfig Feb 13 02:11:28 that's weird...I don't see anything about it defined or undefined/commented out Feb 13 02:12:04 ah, ok it's probably not enabled Feb 13 02:12:22 it's CONFIG_INPUT_UINPUT but not defined at all in Nokia's defconfig Feb 13 02:12:57 mmk Feb 13 02:14:05 johnx, i need it to lock out everything from the framebuffer Feb 13 02:14:15 i think however i can achieve the same result another way Feb 13 02:29:28 hrm Feb 13 02:29:35 i accidentally hit the sleep key on this keyboard Feb 13 02:29:39 first time i've EVER done that Feb 13 02:29:43 it esploded Feb 13 02:30:03 i dont know WHY they feel the need to have a "break computer" button on like every keyboard... >_< Feb 13 02:31:28 yeah...I'm glad that went away quickly Feb 13 02:31:39 no one *wants* that Feb 13 02:32:26 Buy a real keyboard, rm_you. ;) Feb 13 02:33:21 or at least pull the keycaps off Feb 13 02:47:39 Debian+xfce on tablet is actually surprisingly usable... Feb 13 02:48:19 I must say I'm loving pairing my n810 with my new centro :) Feb 13 02:49:05 that's a pretty good combination I would imagine in terms of PIM, web and phone Feb 13 02:49:22 indeed Feb 13 02:49:46 i mostly like how the sprint vision service takes care of the pppauth for the bluetooth DUN Feb 13 02:50:35 i didnt even need their connectivity software when i paired it with my computer, which was nice Feb 13 02:51:04 I think I swore never to buy a CDMA phone, otherwise that sounds tempting... Feb 13 02:51:16 I'm holding out for the android phones anyways... Feb 13 02:51:34 i'm more interested in the openmoko and greenphones Feb 13 02:51:50 is the green phone still around? Feb 13 02:52:03 openmoko looks nice, but I kind of need my phone to "just work" Feb 13 02:52:23 yeah, thats the only reason i havent bought one yet Feb 13 02:52:38 one of my friends works for verizon and has his working on their network Feb 13 02:52:46 only supports sms and calls right now Feb 13 02:53:01 a green phone? Feb 13 02:53:11 nah, an openmoko Feb 13 02:53:31 i have a feeling the green phone may make a comeback since nokia is trying to aquire trolltech Feb 13 02:54:31 hmmm...I think that's a sure sign the green phone is dead actually Feb 13 02:54:56 I thought openmoko hardware was GSM? Feb 13 02:55:09 or is he running openmoko on another phone? Feb 13 02:59:29 on another phone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 13 02:59:57 2008