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Feb 16 03:04:15 <truls> any nice pixlers available for n800 yet?
Feb 16 03:04:52 <Navi> pixlers?
Feb 16 03:05:54 <truls> graphics software for drawing pixel graphics, like game sprites and stuff
Feb 16 03:09:22 <truls> most anything would do, but last i checked nothing was available, only the most basic doodlers
Feb 16 03:10:08 <Navi> There's the artsy mypaint, but that's not for pixel editing
Feb 16 03:10:46 <Navi> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5913&highlight=pixel+art
Feb 16 03:10:56 <Navi> That hasn't been touched in a while, it seems
Feb 16 03:11:08 <Navi> pupnik, I blame you.
Feb 16 03:11:45 <truls> hm, might be worth a look
Feb 16 03:12:06 <truls> but you cant zoom and do single pixel modifications?
Feb 16 03:13:00 <Navi> The description says that it's designed for pixel editing
Feb 16 03:14:04 <truls> nice
Feb 16 03:14:17 <pupnik> I think unique311 did a hildonized mypaint
Feb 16 03:14:52 <Navi> mypaint =/= mtpaint
Feb 16 03:15:21 <pupnik> oh yeah... i like mtpaint better.  i am kicking myself for not telling the author to apply for a developer discount
Feb 16 03:15:29 <Navi> :P
Feb 16 03:16:07 <pupnik> that's a pathetic state of affairs for a platform
Feb 16 03:16:19 <Navi> mtpaint is nice, but the n770 build doesn't have alpha-blended brushes
Feb 16 03:16:24 <pupnik> not having a good paint proggy...
Feb 16 03:16:32 <truls> pupnik: seconded
Feb 16 03:16:38 <Navi> s/nice/all right/
Feb 16 03:16:39 <infobot> Navi meant: mtpaint is all right, but the n770 build doesn't have alpha-blended brushes
Feb 16 03:16:41 <pupnik> there's a build with alpha brushes?
Feb 16 03:16:50 <Navi> mypaint is fine
Feb 16 03:16:56 <pupnik> author told me he was working on it
Feb 16 03:16:58 <Navi> the official mtpaint has lapha brushes
Feb 16 03:17:03 <pupnik> gaaaah!
Feb 16 03:17:04 <Navi> s/lapha/alpha
Feb 16 03:17:17 <Navi> (I think)
Feb 16 03:18:10 * ttmrichter sighs.   OK, the libpango upgrade isn't the only thing borked here.  I still don't have a GUI.
Feb 16 03:18:20 <ttmrichter> Any more ideas or is it reflashing time?
Feb 16 03:18:24 <Navi> Which really sucks since it's a paint program, after all
Feb 16 03:20:02 <Navi> ttmrichter, might as well if you've backed things up
Feb 16 03:20:37 <ttmrichter> Problem with that is, not knowing what the cause was means it'll just happen again.
Feb 16 03:20:48 <Navi> Be careful next time
Feb 16 03:20:50 <ttmrichter> I'm not entirely enthused with this.  That strikes me more as the Windows way.
Feb 16 03:20:53 <ttmrichter> Of what?
Feb 16 03:21:05 <ttmrichter> How can I be careful if I have ZERO idea of what triggered this?
Feb 16 03:21:43 <ttmrichter> If I could even just try to start the GUI from the command line and see the error messages it would be helpful.
Feb 16 03:22:08 <pupnik> Navi i can try building mtpaint right now
Feb 16 03:22:29 <Navi> Why you telling me for? I don't have a tablet, remember? :3
Feb 16 03:31:19 <pupnik> well raw build of new mtpaint 3.0 compiles and runs but needs a lot of changes for the tablet
Feb 16 03:34:01 <truls> pupnik: building for IT2007 or 2008?
Feb 16 03:34:19 <truls> well, if it needs a lot of changes, i guess it doesn't matter that much
Feb 16 03:34:46 <pupnik> no can't even draw with the pencil
Feb 16 03:34:56 <truls> pupnik: try a stylus
Feb 16 03:35:00 <truls> *hide*
Feb 16 03:37:58 <pupnik> it's not impossible to fix up programs when you're totally clueless
Feb 16 03:38:04 <pupnik> that's the cool thing about this
Feb 16 03:39:05 <pupnik> learn a few basic things, then google for stuff, then ask the program author for help and...
Feb 16 03:39:10 <pupnik> all of a sudden it works
Feb 16 03:39:29 <ryoohki> can anyone recommend a usb bluetooth dongle which supports stereo a2dp on linux?
Feb 16 03:39:30 <truls> heh
Feb 16 03:42:21 <Navi> I would think that most dongles would support the A2DP profile nowadays
Feb 16 03:50:51 <pupnik> ping
Feb 16 03:51:15 <Tama^3> pong
Feb 16 03:52:21 <pupnik> ok
Feb 16 03:52:49 <unique311> mtpaint 3.0?
Feb 16 03:53:05 <pupnik> hi!
Feb 16 03:53:05 <Navi> :3
Feb 16 03:53:10 <Navi> Hey thur :D
Feb 16 03:53:10 <truls> woo
Feb 16 03:53:36 <unique311> 3.20
Feb 16 03:53:47 <pupnik> check sourceforge
Feb 16 03:54:00 <pupnik> god William Krystol is such a liar
Feb 16 03:56:40 <unique311> i should give mtpaint another chance.....
Feb 16 03:57:12 <unique311> i just want fullscreen.
Feb 16 04:00:05 <susej_> sup niggaz
Feb 16 04:00:57 <susej_> n e 1 ?
Feb 16 04:01:10 <susej_> here?
Feb 16 04:01:46 <unique311> wow
Feb 16 04:02:36 <Navi> :|
Feb 16 04:03:02 <susej_> how goes it tonight
Feb 16 04:03:25 <j0tt> pupnik: do you know how to set the WMName of an SDL app?
Feb 16 04:03:42 <pupnik> there's a howto on that
Feb 16 04:03:44 <unique311> suseJ,  where you from?
Feb 16 04:03:52 <susej_> LA
Feb 16 04:04:14 <unique311> was thinking NY, but close enough.
Feb 16 04:04:15 * j0tt pokes the mighty google botnet
Feb 16 04:04:38 <susej_> where are you from?
Feb 16 04:04:43 <unique311> NY
Feb 16 04:04:55 <susej_> how the weather freezing ass cold?
Feb 16 04:05:04 <susej_> yeah it was 70 degrees today here
Feb 16 04:05:10 <susej_> i was ina sharts and a t shirt
Feb 16 04:05:31 * pupnik gives susej_ a slow hand clap
Feb 16 04:05:50 <pupnik> are you proud about your weather?
Feb 16 04:05:55 <susej_> yes
Feb 16 04:05:57 <susej_> i love it
Feb 16 04:06:02 <susej_> i could not live any where else
Feb 16 04:06:11 <pupnik> plonk
Feb 16 04:07:50 <unique311> pupnik, mypaint is ok  but lags after doing a couple of lines.
Feb 16 04:08:26 <pupnik> eyy doc|home
Feb 16 04:08:39 <pupnik> we were just talking about mises here :)
Feb 16 04:08:41 <doc|home> hey pupnik
Feb 16 04:08:49 <doc|home> yey!
Feb 16 04:08:51 <Navi> orly
Feb 16 04:09:11 <Navi> Is there any pressure sensitivity?
Feb 16 04:09:16 <unique311> yes
Feb 16 04:09:19 <unique311> in mypaint
Feb 16 04:09:21 <doc|home> pupnik: what'd I miss?
Feb 16 04:09:24 <Navi> Secks
Feb 16 04:09:31 <pupnik> not much, just found a couple of fans
Feb 16 04:09:35 <doc|home> apart from a 12 year old evidently
Feb 16 04:09:40 <doc|home> pupnik: cool
Feb 16 04:10:26 <susej_> well you guys are NO fun
Feb 16 04:10:30 <susej_> toll on
Feb 16 04:10:35 <unique311> lol
Feb 16 04:11:04 <unique311> toll?
Feb 16 04:11:20 <unique311> ina sharts?
Feb 16 04:11:35 <pupnik> i'm still holding out for unique311
Feb 16 04:11:39 <j0tt> pupnik: http://www.colino.net/wordpress-1.5/wp-content/WM_NAME.patch looks interesting
Feb 16 04:12:26 <unique311> so susej was a bot?
Feb 16 04:12:37 <doc|home> no, just a troll
Feb 16 04:13:20 <unique311> does that pay?
Feb 16 04:13:52 <Navi> no, just a retard
Feb 16 04:14:49 <pupnik>  there's a lot of work for retards in IT land
Feb 16 04:14:55 <pupnik> cause there are so few smart people
Feb 16 04:17:07 <unique311> working on mtpaint....hopefully i have good news in the morning.
Feb 16 04:18:19 <truls> woo
Feb 16 04:18:23 <truls> looking forward to that
Feb 16 04:18:32 <truls> hm, gotta make a spritetester
Feb 16 04:18:34 <unique311> i don't think you should.
Feb 16 04:18:36 <unique311> lol
Feb 16 04:18:40 <truls> heh
Feb 16 04:19:13 <truls> testing spriteanims from gimp is so tedious when you have them laid out as a spritesheet
Feb 16 04:19:15 <Navi> :D
Feb 16 04:19:46 <truls> and even worse when the sprites are buttugly
Feb 16 07:09:14 <BTobotras> morning
Feb 16 07:09:33 <BTobotras> Shouldn't there be gtk includes in scratchbox' ARMEL target?
Feb 16 07:33:09 <t_s_o> hmm, not promising. the backup app seems to just hang when i have done my selection and hit ok
Feb 16 07:46:13 <t_s_o> hmm, seems there is some issue with it backing up settings...
Feb 16 07:50:29 <t_s_o> no error message in the terminal
Feb 16 08:14:12 <truent_> j #compiz-fusion
Feb 16 08:57:24 <BTobotras> How do I implement long operation without blocking entire application? I want to have background processing with progress bar in hildon_banner..
Feb 16 09:12:58 <felipec> BTobotras: using a thread?
Feb 16 09:13:39 <BTobotras> felipec: ouch!
Feb 16 09:13:56 <BTobotras> felipec: okay, blocking but showing indicator :)
Feb 16 09:14:25 <monkeyiq> is there an app for the n810 which logs GPS coords continually to the sdcard?
Feb 16 09:14:40 <felipec> BTobotras: thread are not that difficult
Feb 16 09:15:41 <BTobotras> felipec: sure, just don't really need it here
Feb 16 09:16:54 <felipec> BTobotras: yeah, a lot of people say that and what you have is UI's where you don't know what's happening
Feb 16 09:20:55 <BTobotras> felipec: that's why I want to update progress bar :)
Feb 16 09:22:08 <felipec> BTobotras: but if you block the progress bar is updated, but the UI is not usable, so you can't see the progress-bar or anything else
Feb 16 09:24:58 <BTobotras> felipec: ah, yep, sure.
Feb 16 09:29:52 <melmoth> BTobotras: i think it s either a separate thread, or a second process and communication with dbus
Feb 16 09:31:25 <melmoth> now, some 'long operation' such as file transfert can be nicely wrapped already with gnome vfs i think.
Feb 16 09:32:02 <melmoth> so you dont have to take care of the thread thingy, you can just declare a callback that is called every percent of the transfert or something like that
Feb 16 09:37:31 <felipec> but gnome vfs is almost dead
Feb 16 09:38:30 <melmoth> is it ?
Feb 16 09:38:45 <melmoth> i though it was a core composant of the tablet thingy.
Feb 16 09:53:13 <BTobotras> Why can't I gtk_widget_destroy from within e_book_async_open callback? How does the callback relate to Gtk main loop?
Feb 16 09:53:23 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Feb 16 09:55:02 <BTobotras> Okay, can I widget_destroy from within g_idle callback? :)
Feb 16 10:30:15 <wwp> does anybody get problems updating packages due to libglade2.0 conflicts (2.6.x is in maemo extra, the package manager wants it but it breask osso-software-versions)?
Feb 16 10:33:29 <jku> wwp, upgrading system components is not allowed. So ITOS 2008 compatible applications cannot depend on libglade != 2.4.0-1osso2
Feb 16 10:33:44 <wwp> I see
Feb 16 10:34:01 <wwp> jku: problem is that there's no application here that depends on libglade != 2.4.0
Feb 16 10:34:19 <wwp> it's just 'cause there's a libglade 2.6.0 available from one of the repositories
Feb 16 10:34:22 <jku> why does the package manager want to install it then?
Feb 16 10:34:31 <wwp> I have no idea
Feb 16 10:34:50 <wwp> will try to figure this out
Feb 16 10:34:50 <jku> is it a user visible package?
Feb 16 10:35:15 <wwp> maybe a package that has libglade >= 2.4.0 as dep (instead of =2.4.0)
Feb 16 10:35:40 <jku> that shouldn't be a problem...
Feb 16 10:35:46 <wwp> hm
Feb 16 10:35:50 <wwp> then I don't understand
Feb 16 10:35:58 <wwp> I have tagtool here, which needs libglade
Feb 16 10:36:09 <wwp> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Feb 16 10:36:09 <wwp> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Feb 16 10:36:09 <wwp>   tagtool: Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1) but 1:2.4.0-1osso2 is to be installed
Feb 16 10:36:09 <wwp> elb: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
Feb 16 10:36:15 <wwp> I get this when apt-get updating
Feb 16 10:36:28 <jku> libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1
Feb 16 10:36:43 <jku> that's it
Feb 16 10:37:04 <wwp> hmm
Feb 16 10:38:21 <jku> that first 1 is epoch (not really part of version number)
Feb 16 10:38:25 <wwp> jku: then it's my fault, will fix my glade version in my sdk
Feb 16 10:38:48 <jku> tagtool is yours?
Feb 16 10:39:03 <wwp> the port and package yes, but I'm not the author
Feb 16 10:39:17 <jku> yes, right
Feb 16 10:39:58 <wwp> btw I've just made a diffutils .deb available
Feb 16 10:40:12 <wwp> it's a pain that there was no repository proposing it
Feb 16 10:40:52 <wwp> I just wonder how people can live w/o diffutils ;)
Feb 16 10:43:57 <thopiekar> hi there
Feb 16 10:44:10 <thopiekar> i've got a question about canola..
Feb 16 10:45:57 <thopiekar> will there be other languages like german??
Feb 16 10:46:32 <wwp> thoenig: /join #canola ?
Feb 16 10:46:41 <wwp> thoenig: here I see it in english
Feb 16 10:46:51 <wwp> oh great, you're already there
Feb 16 10:46:59 <thopiekar> jes^^
Feb 16 10:48:22 <hahlo> i have notice that for some reason more i tune tablet worse skype gets, then when i refla h fresh os2008 skype works well again, don't understand why ssh and modified init etc makes skype worse
Feb 16 10:53:01 <felipec> melmoth: the next GNOME release probably won't have gvfs
Feb 16 10:53:13 <felipec> melmoth: I guess Maemo eventually won't have it either
Feb 16 11:06:13 <BTobotras> Sorry, where do my contacts live? :)
Feb 16 11:11:36 <BTobotras> That is, where's EDS store?
Feb 16 11:15:20 <BTobotras> Okay, that's ~/.osso-abook, thanks ;)
Feb 16 11:17:53 <melmoth> je crois que j'ai une piste pour le 4eme bug :)
Feb 16 11:17:55 <melmoth> oups
Feb 16 11:18:13 <wwp> mais alors
Feb 16 11:18:42 <wwp> jku: thanks for helping me figuring out what was wrong w/ tagtool/libglade-2.6.0, I could repack it w/ the right dep
Feb 16 11:24:40 <khertan> Hi !
Feb 16 12:58:33 <wald0> what there's the editor options that we have for chinook ?
Feb 16 12:58:35 <wald0> we have vim ?
Feb 16 12:59:10 <wald0> any graphically ? (text editor for code, with syntax)
Feb 16 13:01:41 <wald0>  no vim ?
Feb 16 13:02:03 <Zero_Dogg> there are vim packages available yeah
Feb 16 13:02:11 <wald0> i need to go out for 3 hours and i want to read source codes in the BUS, is there not any editor with syntax ?
Feb 16 13:02:28 <wald0> Zero_Dogg: for chinook ? what are the repos/link ?
Feb 16 13:02:45 <Zero_Dogg> for chinook yes, can't remember which repos
Feb 16 13:02:54 <wald0> :/
Feb 16 13:03:35 <Zero_Dogg> google it
Feb 16 13:03:52 <Zero_Dogg> iirc, there's no gvim though (not sure, never use gvim myself, but didn't see one)
Feb 16 13:09:34 <BTobotras> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found under CHINOOK_ARMEL, but everything works under CHINOOK_X86. Hmm...
Feb 16 13:14:01 <wald0> Zero_Dogg: where i can found the better repositories list (sources.list) for chinook ?
Feb 16 13:17:58 <lcuk_3> wald0, there is an editor called pygtkeditor which uses a highlighting source editor (which appears to have multiple language support)
Feb 16 13:18:09 <lcuk_3> its available from the normal repos i think
Feb 16 14:04:33 <maddler> hi all
Feb 16 14:04:54 <wald0> lcuk_3: thx, ill made a look
Feb 16 14:08:55 <wald0> is there any repositories or project about E17 (Enlightenment) that i can try/install on my n800 ?
Feb 16 14:16:29 <konttori> hey, what do I need to put to .desktop file to run app as sudo?
Feb 16 14:16:34 <konttori> (as su)
Feb 16 14:18:11 <wald0> konttori: put the normal command in TryExec, and put the command with sudo before, in teh Exec one
Feb 16 14:19:00 <konttori> so, like: Exec="sudo /usr/bin/usbcontrol"
Feb 16 14:19:01 <konttori> ?
Feb 16 14:19:51 <konttori> Or so that there are two lines in there like:
Feb 16 14:19:52 <konttori> Exec="sudo /usr/bin/usbcontrol"
Feb 16 14:19:52 <konttori> TryExec=/usr/bin/usbcontrol
Feb 16 14:20:54 <wald0> aha, good :)
Feb 16 14:21:05 <wald0> konttori: btw, do you know how n800 generate the menus ?
Feb 16 14:21:35 <konttori> I'm no gtk expert, but what did you have in mind?
Feb 16 14:23:47 <wald0> nothing, jst to know how are generated the emnus
Feb 16 14:24:33 <konttori> So, would this answer your question: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#Menus
Feb 16 14:24:42 <konttori> Or did you have something deeper in mind?
Feb 16 14:25:57 <konttori> naa.. the app isn't starting now at all.
Feb 16 14:26:13 <konttori> I wonder if the quote marks should be dropped. Trying that now
Feb 16 14:29:10 <konttori> ah. now it works. The quotation marks weren't supposed to be there.
Feb 16 14:29:34 <konttori> now, the only problem seems to be that look and feel isn't hildonized.
Feb 16 14:29:39 <konttori> thansk wald0!
Feb 16 14:29:44 <konttori> thanks even
Feb 16 14:30:03 <konttori> any idea on how to run as su and still keep hildonization?
Feb 16 14:32:32 <solmumaha> konttori: tried run-standalone.sh?
Feb 16 14:34:57 <konttori> ah. would that work with sudo as well?
Feb 16 14:35:03 <konttori> Interesting. I'm trying it now.
Feb 16 14:35:25 <inz> Remember to put it as sudo run-standalone.sh -- not the other way round
Feb 16 14:35:45 <konttori> yeah. thanks. seems to work!
Feb 16 14:37:29 <cyberholic> Good morning everyon!
Feb 16 14:37:56 <cyberholic> everyone i mean :)
Feb 16 14:39:30 <cyberholic> I updated my maemo Desktop Software... anyone want to give it a try?
Feb 16 14:39:52 <cyberholic> here is a preview: http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/preview.jpg
Feb 16 14:44:29 <lcuk_3> cyberholic, when i looked yesterday i failed to tell you one thing:   you have made a spelling mastake on February, you spelt it Feburary
Feb 16 14:45:04 <Navi> This is ridiculous
Feb 16 14:45:22 <cyberholic> lcuk... ooops. thanks! ill change that
Feb 16 14:45:48 <cyberholic> I took the timers off and inserted an autoslide function into it!
Feb 16 14:46:01 <lcuk_3> cyber, once my 810 counterpart logs in i would like a link to the proper one - ill give it a full test on the device itself
Feb 16 14:46:17 <lcuk_3> the timers didnt work too well either, i couldnt stop them once started
Feb 16 14:46:58 <lcuk> on 810 now, cybr i can has link please
Feb 16 14:47:47 <khertan>     def bToday_pressed(self, widget):
Feb 16 14:47:47 <khertan>         print "bJournal"
Feb 16 14:47:47 <khertan>         self.destroy_content()
Feb 16 14:47:47 <khertan> 	self.wjournal_widget = wjournal.CreateWidget("wjournal")
Feb 16 14:47:47 <khertan> 	self.content.add(self.wjournal_widget)
Feb 16 14:47:49 <khertan>     def bCalendar_pressed(self, widget):
Feb 16 14:47:51 <khertan>         print "bCalendar"
Feb 16 14:47:54 <khertan>         self.destroy_content()
Feb 16 14:47:56 <khertan> 	self.wcalendar_widget = wcalendar.CreateWidget("wcalendar")
Feb 16 14:47:59 <khertan> 	self.content.add(self.wcalendar_widget)
Feb 16 14:48:01 <khertan>     def bTasks_pressed(self, widget):
Feb 16 14:48:04 <khertan>         print "bTasks"
Feb 16 14:48:06 <khertan>         self.destroy_content()
Feb 16 14:48:09 <khertan> 	self.wtodo_widget = wtodo.CreateWidget("wtodo")
Feb 16 14:48:11 <khertan> 	self.content.add(self.wtodo_widget)
Feb 16 14:48:14 <khertan>     def bContacts_pressed(self, widget):
Feb 16 14:48:16 <khertan>         print "bContacts"
Feb 16 14:48:17 <inz> cyberholic, you should get the month names from the system
Feb 16 14:48:19 <khertan>         self.destroy_content()
Feb 16 14:48:21 <khertan> 	self.wcontacts_widget = wcontacts.CreateWidget("wcontacts")
Feb 16 14:48:24 <inz> kherta, oops?
Feb 16 14:48:24 <khertan> 	self.content.add(self.wcontacts_widget)
Feb 16 14:48:26 <khertan>     def bNotes_pressed(self, widget):
Feb 16 14:48:29 <khertan>         print "bNotes"
Feb 16 14:48:31 <khertan>         self.destroy_content()
Feb 16 14:48:34 <khertan> 	self.wnotes_widget = wnotes.CreateWidget("wnotes")
Feb 16 14:48:36 <khertan> 	self.content.add(self.wnotes_widget)
Feb 16 14:48:39 <khertan> #utility
Feb 16 14:48:41 <khertan>     def destroy_content(self):
Feb 16 14:48:44 <khertan>         children = self.content.get_children()
Feb 16 14:48:46 <khertan>         for child in children:
Feb 16 14:48:49 <khertan>             self.content.remove(child)
Feb 16 14:48:52 <khertan>             child.destroy
Feb 16 14:48:54 <khertan> oups ... sorry wrong windows
Feb 16 14:49:08 <khertan> windows switching too fast ... sorry
Feb 16 14:49:22 <Navi> ...
Feb 16 14:50:06 <inz> cyberholic, I don't know what language you dev'd in, but strftime and %B give you the month name
Feb 16 14:50:15 <inz> Oh, it was flash
Feb 16 14:50:20 <inz> nevermind then
Feb 16 14:50:59 <khertan> inz > flash is not a language :)
Feb 16 14:51:11 <eber_> khertan: when will you release your calendar ? :)
Feb 16 14:51:14 <cyberholic> lcuk. thanks a lot! I have changed the monthname. The monts are loaded by the system and i put the var into an array. To tell you the truth, i do not know if Flash can get the monthname like in php e.g. ... I have changed the "finger-sliding" from up to down, because this works better when the device is on the table.
Feb 16 14:51:38 <inz> khertan, nope, it's a plague
Feb 16 14:51:38 <khertan> eber_: lol ... i've just started it today
Feb 16 14:51:50 <cyberholic> And as mentioned, there is now a autoslider, what means that it changed automaticly from tool to tool in a given time.
Feb 16 14:52:21 <khertan> eber_: and what you see is a piece of a test file
Feb 16 14:54:59 <lcuk_3> cyber, can you paste a link here - ive got my 810 in and will test on device :)
Feb 16 14:55:03 <cyberholic> It looks like i will have to take the "monthly" calendar from my application, as it seems to bring my device down to its knees.
Feb 16 14:55:13 <cyberholic> lcuk: http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo
Feb 16 14:55:29 <cyberholic> If you want to download it http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/startpage.swf
Feb 16 14:55:30 <lcuk_3> khertan, pasting like that gives away top secret things ;)
Feb 16 14:58:13 <eber_> khertan: ok i'll monitor your web page
Feb 16 14:59:28 <lcuk_3> cyberholic, that clock would make a really good screensaver for nokia devices.  its a shame it is flash
Feb 16 14:59:46 <cyberholic> :)
Feb 16 15:01:07 <lcuk_3> isnt the scrolling backwards?   i swipe my stylus down the screen and the content scrolls upwards (and the inverse occurs)
Feb 16 15:01:34 <Navi> Lol?
Feb 16 15:01:48 <lcuk_3> its like being drunk
Feb 16 15:02:08 <Navi> Yeah, you're right :o
Feb 16 15:02:24 <Navi> cyberholic, you're such a boob
Feb 16 15:02:48 <Navi> :3
Feb 16 15:02:51 <lcuk_3> lol
Feb 16 15:03:08 <lcuk_3> it was correct when it was sideways
Feb 16 15:03:24 <lcuk_3> swipe from right to left (like turning a page) scrolled it correctly
Feb 16 15:03:30 <Navi> lol
Feb 16 15:03:52 <lcuk_3> only problem i have is i keep knocking my 810 over when its on its stand
Feb 16 15:03:56 <Navi> autoslider ho
Feb 16 15:04:41 <Navi> I can't figure out how to bring up the menu again :3
Feb 16 15:04:54 <cyberholic> lol... sorry.... does it work now?
Feb 16 15:04:57 <lcuk_3> once its gone, its gone
Feb 16 15:05:05 <lcuk_3> i dont know, how do i reload
Feb 16 15:05:21 <Navi> down is still up
Feb 16 15:05:50 <cyberholic> lcuk: you can get the menu by sliding from left to right
Feb 16 15:05:58 <Navi> yeah, figured that out
Feb 16 15:06:35 <lcuk_3> it started to be right, but then it went backwards again
Feb 16 15:06:48 <Navi> it was never right for me
Feb 16 15:07:24 <cyberholic> shall i take the "monthly" calender view away? It needs soooo much power and the slide does not look great
Feb 16 15:07:43 <konttori> solmumaha: any idea why .desktop wont run when I have Exec: sudo run-standalone.sh usbcontrol ?
Feb 16 15:08:04 <Navi> is run-standalone.sh executable?
Feb 16 15:08:08 <lcuk_3> can you automatically change the flash quality setting to low?
Feb 16 15:08:19 <cyberholic> yes, i think so!
Feb 16 15:08:19 <lcuk_3> navi, check the attribute
Feb 16 15:08:32 <Navi> lcuk_3, what?
Feb 16 15:08:36 <lcuk_3> it might help ive just done it and it makes the scrolling a bit smoother
Feb 16 15:08:49 <lcuk_3> check the attributes of the file
Feb 16 15:09:05 <Navi> I'm not the one who needs help...
Feb 16 15:09:21 <lcuk_3> <Navi> is run-standalone.sh executable?
Feb 16 15:09:29 <Navi> [09:07:33] <konttori> solmumaha: any idea why .desktop wont run when I have Exec: sudo run-standalone.sh usbcontrol ?
Feb 16 15:09:44 <lcuk_3> lol good point...
Feb 16 15:09:52 <Navi> :P
Feb 16 15:10:13 <lcuk_3> konttori, have you built usbcontrol with the correct target
Feb 16 15:10:23 <solmumaha> konttori: maybe full path for usbcontrol?
Feb 16 15:10:43 <lcuk_3> ie, are you trying to run a program built for x86 on your 8x0 instead of rebuilding it for ARMEL
Feb 16 15:11:26 <lcuk_3> cyberholic, it scrolls faster on the simpler screens with low quality but the month view still kills it
Feb 16 15:13:46 <Navi> oh sweet
Feb 16 15:13:49 <Navi> screen rotation :3
Feb 16 15:14:11 <Navi> http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39
Feb 16 15:14:30 <Navi> xrandr support, yey \o/
Feb 16 15:17:28 <lcuk_3> i was playing with rotation last night and other bits
Feb 16 15:17:37 <lcuk_3> nothing as clean as this
Feb 16 15:17:49 <Navi> really fast and sexy
Feb 16 15:18:05 <lcuk_3> no, i was seeing what the framebuffer would handle
Feb 16 15:18:10 <cyberholic> what system is running on the screen rotation video?
Feb 16 15:18:16 * lcuk_3 is starting to understand the omapfb
Feb 16 15:18:25 <lcuk_3> pupnik, hi there
Feb 16 15:18:39 <Navi> mamona
Feb 16 15:19:14 <pupnik> hi lcuk_3 what's cooking
Feb 16 15:19:32 <lcuk_3> my sinuses mainly, or least it feels like it
Feb 16 15:19:37 <Navi> pupnik, me has another tablet dream >_>
Feb 16 15:19:40 <pupnik> hehe
Feb 16 15:19:47 <lcuk_3> i managed to lock up my 810 nicely yesterday :)
Feb 16 15:19:55 <lcuk_3> well, broke the screen :D
Feb 16 15:20:01 <Navi> lcuk_3,
Feb 16 15:20:03 <Navi> heh
Feb 16 15:20:22 <zoran> broke it literaly?
Feb 16 15:20:40 <lcuk_3> no, just changed the fb params in such a way they wouldnt reset
Feb 16 15:20:48 <lcuk_3> i was left with a 480*480 desktop
Feb 16 15:20:56 <keesj> cool
Feb 16 15:21:25 <Navi> There was a prize of 6,000 bucks in a race around the US
Feb 16 15:21:28 <lcuk_3> pupnik, was it you or lardman who has the specs for the lcd device
Feb 16 15:21:33 <zoran> connect via ssh and change it
Feb 16 15:21:42 <pupnik> lardman is gone for a couple of weeks
Feb 16 15:21:50 <lcuk_3> it was connecting by ssh that broke it in the first place :P
Feb 16 15:21:56 <pupnik> i didn't request it
Feb 16 15:22:12 <lcuk_3> :O oh now
Feb 16 15:22:15 <Navi> going to different checkpoints in different states. I planned out my route with my brother, got in my car, then jumped out running to my room screaming "MAEMO MAPPER, MAEMO MAPPER!"
Feb 16 15:22:16 <lcuk_3> where he gone
Feb 16 15:22:19 <lcuk_3> he cant have a holiday
Feb 16 15:22:31 <pupnik> he said gone for xx days i forget the number
Feb 16 15:22:39 * lcuk_3 has a great dev chain working now which auto scp the exe then run it directly
Feb 16 15:22:46 <lcuk_3> thats ok, ill suss it
Feb 16 15:23:22 <pupnik> i'm interested in your work and possible applications to sdl programs
Feb 16 15:23:24 <lcuk_3> ive been poking away at the framebuffer and between the mplayer code and the open source omapfb there seems to be something missing
Feb 16 15:23:29 <lcuk_3> yer so am i
Feb 16 15:23:56 <lcuk_3> but im not having much luck dropping the plane count down but i am starting to understand how mplayer sorts out refreshes
Feb 16 15:24:13 <pupnik> cool
Feb 16 15:24:26 <K-Fox> hi
Feb 16 15:24:50 <pupnik> would it be possible to implement a 400x240 8-bit mode?
Feb 16 15:24:56 <ssvb> lcuk_3: you can find lcd docs at http://www.erd.epson.com/
Feb 16 15:25:12 <ssvb> pupnik: no, it is not possible
Feb 16 15:25:57 <pupnik> you said that x is doing 8-16 bit 'in the background' yes?
Feb 16 15:25:58 <ssvb> pupnik: well, at least it is not directly supported by hardware (it can be always software emulated though)
Feb 16 15:26:04 <pupnik> ok
Feb 16 15:26:16 <pupnik> did you do anything with newvox?
Feb 16 15:26:16 <K-Fox> skype is supported video on n800 ?
Feb 16 15:26:30 <ssvb> pupnik: not yet
Feb 16 15:26:31 <lcuk_3> pupnik, it should be
Feb 16 15:26:46 <ssvb> lcuk_3: what should be?
Feb 16 15:27:07 <lcuk_3> sdl already does an 8 bit mode and when i revert to having an sdl base i will test pushing the update (including doubling) whilst using sdl to init the mode
Feb 16 15:27:29 <Navi> K-Fox, not yet
Feb 16 15:27:47 <lcuk_3> ive got an x11 base at the moment and its a shared window so other things are jumping in - i cant lock out other processes because im not a kernel module :(
Feb 16 15:28:05 <ssvb> lcuk_3: 8-bit mode ends up doing rgb565 screen updates anyway
Feb 16 15:28:07 <K-Fox> Navi: ok
Feb 16 15:29:36 <lcuk_3> hmmm ssvb, if you are writing only 8 bits to a chunky plane then that should be whats being sent across, or does sdl do another intermediate copy from 8bit chunky to 16bit framebuff - then onwards to the lcd
Feb 16 15:29:45 <lcuk_3> by the way, which lcd model am i looking for
Feb 16 15:29:53 <ssvb> lcuk_3: check http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40
Feb 16 15:30:09 <ssvb> that's the lcd controller from N800
Feb 16 15:30:40 <K-Fox> is it possible to update web browser of OS 2007(Maemo) to flash 9?
Feb 16 15:30:51 <ssvb> it clearly specifies what color formats are supported
Feb 16 15:31:23 <ssvb> for example we can have 32bpp color format supported (it should work fine for 400x240)
Feb 16 15:31:40 <lcuk_3> yer i got that far, and setting the flag on the refresh does cause it to update differently
Feb 16 15:31:42 <Navi> K-Fox, no.
Feb 16 15:32:01 <lcuk_3> but when setting it to any of the planar formats i can still get fullcolor...
Feb 16 15:32:08 <lcuk_3> so im not setting it right
Feb 16 15:32:22 <khertan> bye
Feb 16 15:32:35 <lcuk_3> but for all other color options (rgb/yuv etc) it works
Feb 16 15:32:55 <ssvb> lcuk_3: omapfb driver supports many different LCD controllers, probably you are reading the bits that are not related to internet tablets
Feb 16 15:33:31 <lcuk_3> yes i know and thats why i came here asking for specific lcd models - ill see whats avail for this one :)
Feb 16 15:33:45 <K-Fox> Navi : ok~~~~
Feb 16 15:35:09 <lcuk_3> the thing is, if i set anything outside the bounds i get failure errors with the init functions - ie invalid args into FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO) but when i try the same setting it to 1bit it doesnt fail..
Feb 16 15:35:35 <lcuk_3> anyway, ill have a butty and a read through all this :) thanks for the pointer ssvb
Feb 16 15:41:12 <ssvb> lcuk_3: checking dmesg log helps identifying lcd type
Feb 16 15:41:35 <ssvb> lcuk_3: omapfb driver is not perfect and may have bugs :)
Feb 16 15:42:04 <lcuk_3> i know that :) ive seen a few along the way, but its helped me get a feel for how user interacts with kernel
Feb 16 15:42:13 <ssvb> lcuk_3: for example it did not support YUV420 color format on Nokia 770 properly (the device deadlocked)
Feb 16 15:42:41 <ssvb> lcuk_3: the driver on N800 had problems with 'zoomed desktop'
Feb 16 15:42:52 <lcuk_3> i have a target i am aiming for but im just browsing around at the mo pulling levers and twiddling knobs as i go
Feb 16 15:43:57 <ssvb> lcuk_3: what are you trying to achieve?
Feb 16 15:44:25 <lcuk_3> something that the hardware cant do based on this documentation.   single bitplane monochrome graphics...
Feb 16 15:45:19 <pupnik> arghh for commander keen 4 i need to drop down to 450 cycles to get sound blaster/adlib playback
Feb 16 15:45:29 <lcuk_3> theory being - if i can send single bit planar bytes down instead of 16bits per pixel then screen update time can be reduced upto 16x...
Feb 16 15:46:26 <pupnik> true
Feb 16 15:47:29 <lcuk_3> it appears tho i might have to close this line of enquiry (so long as this lcd documentation is correct)
Feb 16 15:48:41 <pupnik> Afaik all we have are some 12-bit yuv mode available
Feb 16 15:49:11 <pupnik> And possibly this could be useful for 8 and 32-bit SDL games
Feb 16 15:49:12 <lcuk_3> yes but that still requires 16bits per pixel
Feb 16 15:49:37 <lcuk_3> you could get fast updates if you locked into greyscale and only touched every even byte of the buffer
Feb 16 15:49:57 <pupnik> You have read the maemo developer list where ssvb did the framebuffer tests?
Feb 16 15:50:04 <lcuk_3> but the savings wouldnt be worth it because of byte updates being slow than short/int
Feb 16 15:50:21 <pupnik> Hmm
Feb 16 15:50:29 <lcuk_3> i think so, didnt think it was ssvb
Feb 16 15:50:35 <ssvb> pupnik: these test results may be outdated nowadays
Feb 16 15:50:56 <lcuk_3> if you still have the code, it might be an idea to rerun them
Feb 16 15:51:17 <lcuk_3> if the kernel got updated since then some of the fixes suggested along the way might have been put in
Feb 16 15:51:32 <pupnik> ssvb: maybe you can help point lcuk_3 towards an implementation you think might be worthwhile in the sdl context
Feb 16 15:51:36 <ssvb> pupnik: they were done with the first revision of N800 firmware, and some of the limitations were caused by software problems
Feb 16 15:51:42 <pupnik> ok
Feb 16 15:52:59 <lcuk_3> pup, im gonna re-point myself down the sdl tree anyway - i got close to what i wanted re:fullscreen book reading, but got sidetracked with the 1bit updates.  i may rebuild where i left off and follow the sdl code down and see if anything glares out at me
Feb 16 15:53:08 <pupnik> One idea i had which would require a lot of rewriting per-app would be to translate all graphics to rgb565 on load, using the low bit of the green as an alpha mask
Feb 16 15:53:15 <ssvb> hmm, it is interesting, they list RGB332 in the product brief
Feb 16 15:53:54 <pupnik> But the amount of work there is extremely high.
Feb 16 15:54:20 <ssvb> but I don't see how to activate this mode in the documentation
Feb 16 15:54:44 <pupnik> the DOS game Magic carpet used RGB 332 i think
Feb 16 15:54:50 <lcuk_3> in the spec 1.02 they say rgb(8:8:8    6:6:6    5:6:5) or YUV(4:2:2    4:2:0)
Feb 16 15:55:45 <pupnik> An rgb 888 mode at 400x240 might speed up sdl games that want 24/32 bit
Feb 16 15:55:46 <lcuk_3> the yuv modes however (from omapfb side) are all marked as 16bit
Feb 16 15:56:20 <lcuk_3> i think im gonna print this lot off and go see what i can digest
Feb 16 15:57:29 <ssvb> lcuk_3: that's why I find it confusing, 'product brief' mentions rgb332 and 'spec' does not, maybe it is worth writing to Epson support and try to clarify this information
Feb 16 15:57:31 <wald0> i have connected my USB keyboard to a alimented hub, and it to my n800 with chinook... but the keyboard not works, any tip ?
Feb 16 15:58:03 <lcuk_3> wald0 there is a usb mode setting you need to make somewhere i think
Feb 16 15:58:05 <jott> • section 3.3 Input Data Formats - delete RGB 3:3:2 from first bullet
Feb 16 15:58:08 <jott> hm
Feb 16 15:58:15 <jott> (from the spec)
Feb 16 15:59:24 <lcuk_3> good old change logs
Feb 16 15:59:32 <lcuk_3> well spotted jott
Feb 16 15:59:49 <jott> but who know what the "reserved" input formats are ;)
Feb 16 16:00:13 <ssvb> jott: aha, thank you, so they just forgot to update the 'product brief'
Feb 16 16:00:27 <jott> seems so, yes
Feb 16 16:01:25 <Stskeeps> hrm, any of you have tried creative wifi/usb/ethernet ways to lets say, throw streaming/display from a n800 on to a TV?
Feb 16 16:01:29 <ssvb> lcuk_3: btw, yuv420 is 12bpp mode (with quite a weird layout)
Feb 16 16:01:35 <lcuk_3> im beginning to think we should be treating this framebuffer like the powervr - dont assume we know all its features and just see what we can make it do
Feb 16 16:02:06 <lcuk_3> Stskeeps, x11vnc
Feb 16 16:02:20 <lcuk_3> not quite onto a tv but big monitor
Feb 16 16:02:28 <ssvb> lcuk_3: but we have full documentation and open source driver, it is definitely fixable
Feb 16 16:02:37 <lcuk_3> yes i know its fixable
Feb 16 16:03:17 <lcuk_3> if somebody originally thought the device had an 8bit update mode then it might actually still be buried in there
Feb 16 16:04:44 <ssvb> lcuk_3: at least a patch to fix yuv420 support on 770 exists: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=881&group_id=164&atid=683
Feb 16 16:10:42 <dev> Stskeeps: stream what to a tv? I stream music from the n800
Feb 16 16:11:25 <seraph1> mankod, hi
Feb 16 16:11:59 <mankod> seraph1, hello :)
Feb 16 16:12:18 <Stskeeps> dev: in this instance a combination of RTP streams and current display on the device :P
Feb 16 16:13:43 <dev> Stskeeps: ah ok, that's something different
Feb 16 16:13:57 <ssvb> lcuk_3: here is some information about yuv420 framebuffer layout: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt
Feb 16 16:16:10 <ssvb> lcuk_3: if you you have some questions about using omapfb, you can ask me and I'll try to share the information I know
Feb 16 16:16:27 <wald0> lcuk_3: i have set the "developer mode" or something similar in the boot stuff... if you mean this mode
Feb 16 16:16:31 <lcuk_3> thanks ss :) im just looking at it all now
Feb 16 16:17:55 <lcuk_3> that little text file corrosponds with the strangeness i saw last night...
Feb 16 16:20:13 <lcuk_3> wald0 for usb host mode there is a flag, hang on ill find it.  it works for 810, not sure about for 800 though.  ill find a link
Feb 16 16:20:30 <ssvb> lcuk_3: if you have enough free time and motivation, I suggest trying to add support for RGB color formats to Xv extension
Feb 16 16:21:12 <lcuk_3> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008
Feb 16 16:21:33 <ssvb> lcuk_3: this way we can get arbitrary scaling support and set video modes such as 320x200 for example :)
Feb 16 16:22:00 <lcuk_3> ssvb, i am only just starting to poke around with the framebuffer, but will be glad to feed back any of my results as and when i get them :)
Feb 16 16:22:36 <ssvb> :)
Feb 16 16:23:48 <lcuk_3> at this point am i right in thinking the actual framebuffer is same hardware for 800 and 810
Feb 16 16:24:31 <ssvb> lcuk_3: I don't have 810 yet, but my guess is that they are identical in this respect
Feb 16 16:25:27 <lcuk_3> good because im gonna pick up an 800 asap and dont wanna duplicate everything
Feb 16 16:25:54 <lcuk_3> tho i fell in love iwth 810 for its keyboard now i have it i dont use it half as much as i thought i would
Feb 16 16:26:09 <lcuk_3> and infact have just bought an apple wireless board for it
Feb 16 16:26:59 <ssvb> lcuk_3: framebuffer is an area in the system memory, and the data gets transmitted to the real video memory via DMA on screen update ioctl
Feb 16 16:27:29 <lcuk_3> yer i know and setting a flag on the update ioctl call tells it what format data andwhere it should go
Feb 16 16:27:40 * lcuk_3 has been heavily playing there the last couple of days
Feb 16 16:28:35 <lcuk_3> i was getting a bit frustrated with the var and plane calls (which appear to have been ripped out of mplayer trunk code)
Feb 16 16:29:57 <ssvb> lcuk_3: I found video planes a bit complicated and not very useless
Feb 16 16:30:12 <ssvb> s/useless/useful
Feb 16 16:31:24 <ssvb> it is much safer to use a 'stateless' API, so that you don't screw up the system if something gets wrong and mplayer crashes for example
Feb 16 16:31:26 <lcuk_3> yes, i tried following it down the line creating and enabling a plane in the correct format and sending that but it wasnt as fruitful as just setting the update mode flag
Feb 16 16:31:56 <lcuk_3> yesi noticed that, hence me being left with a 480x480 display...
Feb 16 16:32:31 <lcuk_3> i got rotation working at one point tho
Feb 16 16:32:42 <ssvb> you can enable a video plane and forget to disable it later, the desktop will be overlapped by it
Feb 16 16:33:03 <lcuk_3> yer because the driver thinks its still needed
Feb 16 16:38:59 * pupnik ponders
Feb 16 16:39:33 <Navi> Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Feb 16 16:43:58 <Proteous> I think so Navi, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size?
Feb 16 16:44:44 <pupnik> hehe
Feb 16 16:44:51 <lcuk_3> in understand the need for rubber pants, but what on earth is the traffic cone for?
Feb 16 16:45:00 <Navi> No Proteous, it's time to take over the world!
Feb 16 16:45:23 * Navi hums the pinky and the brain theme song
Feb 16 16:45:44 <Proteous> one is a genius ^-- the other's insane <--
Feb 16 17:07:55 <pupnik> oprofile saved me from wasting time on stuff at least
Feb 16 17:23:13 <lcuk_3> how do i kill named processes and can i do it with ssh
Feb 16 17:27:28 <lcuk_3> nm: killall [name]
Feb 16 17:53:41 <n800music> is opera better than mozilla?
Feb 16 17:53:56 <lcuk_3> dunno
Feb 16 17:54:03 <lcuk_3> pupnik, are you still around
Feb 16 17:54:08 <n800music> what's faster?
Feb 16 17:54:28 <lcuk_3> ive only used the one on 810 so dont know
Feb 16 17:56:54 <lcuk_3> pupnik (or anyone else) if i run an SDL program via ssh it fails "No available video device".  however if i have putty up and run the command there it runs.  any idea how i can get it running?
Feb 16 17:57:49 <lcuk_3> other programs (not using sdl) run and initialise and the same program runs - its not a connection problem.  its just not finding the graphics screen
Feb 16 18:03:19 <pupnik> lcuk_3: still there?
Feb 16 18:03:46 <lcuk_3> yer
Feb 16 18:03:48 <pupnik> lcuk_3: running sdl programs from a ssh term on the device works
Feb 16 18:03:52 <lcuk_3> still got problem as well
Feb 16 18:03:52 <pupnik> su to 'user'
Feb 16 18:05:43 <lcuk_3> im not sure i know what you mean.  ive got the following: putty terminal:  if i execute command there it runs.    ive also got a line in my testdeply.sh script which is: ssh root@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog
Feb 16 18:06:07 <lcuk_3> are you saying i should su or sudo the call here
Feb 16 18:06:17 <lcuk_3> ssh root@10.0.0.2 sudo /usr/bin/liq/testprog
Feb 16 18:06:17 <lcuk_3> ?
Feb 16 18:17:32 <lcdd> was there ever any followup on the issue of sounds being quiet and distorted when using gstreamer?
Feb 16 18:19:28 <lcuk_3> pupnik, i think i get what you meant, should the following do what you mean and connect me to the user account? ssh user@10.0.0.2 /usr/bin/liq/testprog
Feb 16 18:19:54 <lcuk_3> or does that start a new session as user but not actually connect to existing user session
Feb 16 18:20:12 <GAN800> Use screen?
Feb 16 18:22:23 <lcuk_3> but im not running a full console session.  its only a single remote command i am doing
Feb 16 18:25:19 <pupnik> lcuk_3:  for testing i keep a shell open on the tablet
Feb 16 18:25:25 <pupnik> and run any program I want
Feb 16 18:25:42 <ssvb> lcuk_3: check DISPLAY environment variable
Feb 16 18:25:44 <pupnik> i also share my dev tree on the scratchbox via nfs
Feb 16 18:26:04 <GAN800> ssh spawns a new session, so if you want the same one for local and remote, you'd need screen.
Feb 16 18:26:15 <pupnik> so the tablet can run things directly from the scratchbox directory
Feb 16 18:26:46 <lcuk_3> i have made a script inside my vmware box which when run will:  run make.  if it runs without error will copy the executable over to 810 vis scp.  execute 810 using ssh.
Feb 16 18:27:01 <lcuk_3> it has worked for everything apart from this sdl code
Feb 16 18:27:02 <ssvb> lcuk_3: try to run it as 'DISPLAY=:0.0 ./your_sdl_program'
Feb 16 18:27:37 <lcuk_3> ok ss, will try
Feb 16 18:31:17 <lcuk_3> ssvb, thanks :) that worked
Feb 16 18:31:39 <lcuk_3> is that because the ssh session uses its own virtual display?
Feb 16 18:31:40 <Jaffa> re
Feb 16 18:33:08 <ssvb> lcuk_3: maybe it was trying to use xserver on your desktop pc for output, you can try 'echo $DISPLAY' to check what it is set to
Feb 16 18:37:37 <lcuk_3> it comes out as :0.0 when run via my windows box, but from deep within vmware its 127.0.0.1:2
Feb 16 18:37:48 <lcuk_3> it works now with the alteration so thanks
Feb 16 18:39:39 <Navi> OH yeah, that's what I was going to do.
Feb 16 18:40:01 <ssvb> lcuk_3: you are welcome, I'm glad that my advice was useful
Feb 16 18:41:35 <TheFool> can anyone post a link to the instructions on using a 770 in host mode? I can't seem to find them through google anymore just keep getting n800 specific stuff
Feb 16 18:48:23 <Navi> google with -n800
Feb 16 18:48:53 <Navi> actually
Feb 16 18:48:59 <Navi> I found it pretty easy
Feb 16 18:49:11 <Navi> First try with "I'm feeling lucky" >_>
Feb 16 18:49:13 <Navi> http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm
Feb 16 19:07:09 <pupnik> i wish install-from-file would also install dependencies
Feb 16 19:08:12 <pupnik> hey solmumaha thanks for the wz packaging... it's helping me a lot
Feb 16 19:08:47 <pupnik> wb GeneralaAntilles
Feb 16 19:09:19 <GAN800> Thanks
Feb 16 19:15:10 <TheFool> Navi: lol thanks
Feb 16 19:15:20 <TheFool> Navi: What exactly did you search for?
Feb 16 19:16:28 <Navi> Nokia 770 USB Host Mode
Feb 16 19:17:20 <TheFool> Navi: darn lol some of the links on that site are dead, but I will keep looking. I overcomplicated my google query...
Feb 16 19:21:52 <TheFool> so basically I reflash with a --enable-usb-host-mode tag and then make a pretty simple circuit...Well since I am reflashing anyway might as well look up how to install to the mmc card...
Feb 16 19:21:56 <TheFool> thanks for the help
Feb 16 19:48:43 <BTobotras> Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
Feb 16 19:48:48 <BTobotras> Rings a bell, anybody? :)
Feb 16 19:52:50 <jku> BTobotras, what do you mean -- that's the standard D-Bus timeout message?
Feb 16 19:53:28 <BTobotras> jku: probably, but why? :)
Feb 16 19:53:52 <jku> could be any reason, depends on context
Feb 16 19:57:33 <BTobotras> jku: well, I'm accessing EDS from maemo app. Works fine in scratchbox x86, fails on the device. Oh, in scratchmox/armel it also fails. That helps.
Feb 16 19:58:24 <jku> I've had serious dbus problems in qemu, not sure if it's supposed to work
Feb 16 19:58:51 <jku> Although haven't tried in chinook, so it could be better
Feb 16 19:59:03 <BTobotras> D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid
Feb 16 19:59:15 <BTobotras> sounds simple :)
Feb 16 20:00:41 * pupnik haet packaging
Feb 16 20:00:53 <Navi> Damn
Feb 16 20:01:22 <BTobotras> It even have been described in chinook documentation :)
Feb 16 20:01:36 * BTobotras beats his head by the keyboard
Feb 16 20:01:45 <Navi> I want to run E17, but it seems the best out of the IT line to run that is the N810 for the keyboard
Feb 16 20:01:55 <Navi> Damned keyboard
Feb 16 20:01:59 * Navi shakes his fist at it
Feb 16 20:02:02 <Hrw> hi
Feb 16 20:02:05 <Navi> Hi
Feb 16 20:02:31 <jku> cheers hrw
Feb 16 20:02:41 <Hrw> hi jussi
Feb 16 20:03:03 <Navi> I wonder...
Feb 16 20:03:05 <Hrw> jku: seen my recent maemo post?
Feb 16 20:03:17 <EruditeHermit> hi, is there a page for how to setup scratchbox on debian?
Feb 16 20:03:25 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: sure, it's in INSTALL.txt
Feb 16 20:03:48 <EruditeHermit> BTobotras: where is that?
Feb 16 20:04:06 <jku> Hrw, just read it
Feb 16 20:04:17 <Hrw> hmm will have to write how to use OE for maemo one day
Feb 16 20:04:18 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: see http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html
Feb 16 20:04:23 <BTobotras> OE?
Feb 16 20:04:31 <jku> Hrw, absolutely
Feb 16 20:04:33 <EruditeHermit> thanks
Feb 16 20:04:56 <Hrw> jku: i wonder how near true i was in post :)
Feb 16 20:04:56 <jku> BTobotras, http://www.openembedded.org/
Feb 16 20:05:14 <Hrw> ~oe
Feb 16 20:05:15 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of.
Feb 16 20:06:12 <BTobotras> jku: I see
Feb 16 20:06:14 <Hrw> btobotras: oe do whole crosscompilation without messing with crapbox or qemu
Feb 16 20:07:12 <jku> BTobotras, I guess you could call OE a "standard" way to do cross-compilation/packaging -- at least compared to maemo
Feb 16 20:07:19 <Hrw> what suprise me is lot of unsupported syscalls in maemo logs recently
Feb 16 20:08:01 <Hrw> maemo 4 use nptl but qemu do not know it on arm (by default)
Feb 16 20:08:06 <BTobotras> jku: sounds good
Feb 16 20:08:30 <jku> Hrw, it is weird that there is no "messaging subsystem/API"
Feb 16 20:08:53 <Hrw> Jku: it is not weird. its nokish
Feb 16 20:09:29 <Hrw> If something can be made wrong they will try it
Feb 16 20:09:58 <jku> give them some slack -- it's not like others have succesfully solved that problem. limited resources and alll that
Feb 16 20:10:21 <Hrw> NOLO update for "power on drama" is ready but cannot be released yet
Feb 16 20:10:29 <EruditeHermit> BTobotras: is there a page for how to build packages using scratchbox?
Feb 16 20:10:38 <jku> starting with jabber is a pretty good first step
Feb 16 20:11:04 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: yep. The same place :)
Feb 16 20:11:25 * BTobotras installed scratchbox today, and has a more-or-less working "hello, world" already
Feb 16 20:11:54 <Hrw> how helloworld can be moreorless working?
Feb 16 20:12:02 <jku> touche
Feb 16 20:12:04 <Hrw> it works or not
Feb 16 20:13:30 <Hrw> but maybe scratchbox adds third option.. never tried that
Feb 16 20:14:03 <Hrw> friends already told me enough about it to not make me try it
Feb 16 20:14:46 <BTobotras> Hrw: well, this helloworld fails to connect to e-d-s proxy to fetch addressbook; haven't a clue on right way to update progress bar in HildonBanner; somewhere misses right Gtk+ packing discipline etc.
Feb 16 20:15:14 <Hrw> lot of things in helloworld app
Feb 16 20:15:19 <jku> your hello world is bloated :)
Feb 16 20:15:54 <BTobotras> It surely is :)
Feb 16 20:16:38 <pupnik> app isn't starting.  .desktop has a X-Osso-Service entry...
Feb 16 20:18:22 <jku> ooh, Clutter on Moblin: http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/?p=44  Launcher like that must be useless in everyday use but it does make the UI look _really_ cool
Feb 16 20:18:31 <Hrw> btobotras: does it fetch owner name from addressbook (progressbar on it) + window with "hello world, here is FULLNAMEOFOWNER"?
Feb 16 20:19:23 <Hrw> jku: clutter can do lot of nuce things... too bad that tablets lack 3D accel..
Feb 16 20:19:36 <jku> yeah
Feb 16 20:20:43 <Hrw> but thats expected. nokia legal department (80% of company) will never allow to release such stuff if it exist at all
Feb 16 20:21:24 <BTobotras> Hrw: Well, I can fetch everything from addressbook in scratchbox/x86, but nowhere else :)
Feb 16 20:23:48 <BTobotras>  GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -24 and height 0 also makes me angry
Feb 16 20:24:36 <Jaffa> jku: I dunno, that launcher looks more useful than OS2008's app menu if you've got more than 36 apps
Feb 16 20:25:07 <jku> Jaffa, you may be right :)
Feb 16 20:25:56 <jku> although I have to admit I like the menu -- I probably just haven't hit the limit
Feb 16 20:28:03 <Hrw> i do not like os2008 menus
Feb 16 20:28:19 <Hrw> but there is no option to back to old ones
Feb 16 20:30:02 <pupnik> solmumaha: there?
Feb 16 20:41:16 <Hrw> ~curse crap called appmanager
Feb 16 20:41:17 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, crap called appmanager !
Feb 16 20:42:09 <Hrw> ~hail apt-get
Feb 16 20:42:09 * infobot bows down to apt-get and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Feb 16 20:42:11 <Hrw> :)
Feb 16 20:47:05 <pupnik> elb: jott: check out Butler Schaffer's interview with Scott Horton:  http://pupnik.de/07_04_13_shaffer.mp3  On the nature of state, empire and democracy.
Feb 16 20:48:28 * elb fetches
Feb 16 20:52:35 <pupnik> why doesn't my *!#@$* icon launch my sdl app
Feb 16 20:53:37 <EruditeHermit> BTobotras: oh that link installed scratchbox1, how do I get sbox2?
Feb 16 20:54:06 <EruditeHermit> BTobotras: and what is the difference/
Feb 16 20:54:50 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: erhm. No idea, what does sbox1/2 mean. There is scratchbox r4, and there is a ready to use script to download and install correct version of scratchbox. What did you use?
Feb 16 20:55:22 <EruditeHermit> http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh
Feb 16 20:55:22 <Navi> pupnik, it hates you
Feb 16 20:55:22 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: "Installing Scratchbox using the installer script" -- you did read that, right?
Feb 16 20:55:32 <EruditeHermit> yeah I have it installed
Feb 16 20:55:39 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: exactly! Now enjoy :)
Feb 16 20:55:45 <EruditeHermit> but I read somewhere that there was scratchbox2 out
Feb 16 20:55:47 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: what is sbox1/sbox2?
Feb 16 20:55:53 <EruditeHermit> and that scratchbox 1 is obsoleted
Feb 16 20:56:03 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: version you just installed is r4, if this makes you happy :-P
Feb 16 20:56:12 * Navi slaps BTobotras
Feb 16 20:56:16 <EruditeHermit> it says its 1.0.8 Apophis
Feb 16 20:56:23 <Navi> EruditeHermit, you're right.
Feb 16 20:56:27 <BTobotras> EruditeHermit: ah, I see
Feb 16 20:56:29 * BTobotras hides
Feb 16 20:56:35 <Navi> Maemo SDK+ is either alpha or beta, I forget
Feb 16 20:56:50 <Navi> That uses SBox2
Feb 16 20:57:08 <EruditeHermit> Navi: is that better?
Feb 16 20:57:14 <Navi> I couldn't say.
Feb 16 20:57:48 <Navi> s/couldn't/can't
Feb 16 20:58:00 <BTobotras> Navi: what's the diff betweek SDK and SDK+?
Feb 16 20:58:36 <Navi> SDK+ is built around SBox2 instead of SBox1
Feb 16 20:59:57 <Navi> The difference between SDK+ and SDK is the difference between Scratchbox 1 and Scratchbox 2
Feb 16 21:00:15 <BTobotras> Navi: and that's it? What's in it for the developer then?
Feb 16 21:00:49 <Navi> Exactly what Scratchbox 2 offers.
Feb 16 21:02:36 <Hrw> see you guys
Feb 16 21:02:55 * BTobotras have read what's new in sbox2 and missed the point
Feb 16 21:03:16 <Navi> From what I can read
Feb 16 21:03:24 <Navi> s/I can/I've/
Feb 16 21:03:24 <infobot> Navi meant: From what I've read
Feb 16 21:03:39 <guardian> oh nose ! the mamona site is down :D
Feb 16 21:03:52 <BTobotras> "the developer is no longer forced to program in closed environment"
Feb 16 21:03:54 * BTobotras shrugs
Feb 16 21:03:56 <Navi> it sounds like sbox2 uses the libraries installed on your system rather than
Feb 16 21:04:33 <Navi> having to have the libraries installed from within sbox
Feb 16 21:04:51 <BTobotras> Navi: yes, but my x86 system doesn't carry arm libraries anyway. So I have to have cross tools in either case...
Feb 16 21:05:28 <BTobotras> Well, I'll check that again when my developer's experience will grow beyond first day :^)
Feb 16 21:13:51 <Navi> :3
Feb 16 21:20:56 <pH5> has anybody found a binary driver for powervr for some omap2420 device until now? (n95 comes to mind, if it is possible to extract system files from that)
Feb 16 21:21:21 <lcuk_3> pupnik, did you get your icon launching it?   (sounds like the frustration i had earlier)
Feb 16 21:21:25 <EruditeHermit> Navi: once you have debian arm packages, is it trivial to compile maemo packages from them?
Feb 16 21:21:37 <pH5> even if the pvr.ko from the omap2430 sdk turns out to be theoretically able to drive the omap2420's mbx too, there are some values hardcoded for the mbx lite in it.
Feb 16 21:21:58 <Navi> I gotta go, sorry
Feb 16 21:22:19 <lcuk_3> ph5, do nokia release firmware updates for n95 like they do for 8x0?
Feb 16 21:22:42 <pupnik> testing it lcuk_3
Feb 16 21:23:43 <pupnik> yeah it works, i had to move the .desktop from /usr/share/applications/hildon to /usr/share/applications
Feb 16 21:24:48 <lcuk_3> glad its working now :)
Feb 16 21:30:15 <pH5> lcuk_3: I think so, but you need a n95 product code to dl them from nokia at least
Feb 16 21:32:13 <lcuk_3> maybe, i just spotted a site with a big list of codes for various countries, the thing i see as different is that for n95 they *arent* offering the linux .bin file download and expect users to ONLY use the automatic windows updater
Feb 16 21:32:35 <lcuk_3> ie, you cannot get the file until the updater think you have an n95 plugged in and that its out of date
Feb 16 21:35:17 <maddler> hmmm... new rtcomm bet is out...
Feb 16 21:35:30 <pupnik> i need to hack xmms to allow me to delete the currently playing song with a special keyboard key
Feb 16 21:36:04 * maddler wonders what's new in this release...
Feb 16 21:47:41 <pupnik> alright
Feb 16 21:48:06 <pupnik> who wants to test new dosbox for OS2008?  fixed the keyboard issue for N810... http://pupnik.de/chinook/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb
Feb 16 21:49:47 <raboof> i'm looking for a hackable phone. looks like maemo doesn't run on phones, and openmoko is not there yet both hard- and software-wise
Feb 16 21:49:50 <raboof> any alternatives?
Feb 16 21:50:35 <pupnik> get a cheap/free phone and a N810
Feb 16 21:50:42 <raboof> ;)
Feb 16 21:50:43 <elb> heh
Feb 16 21:50:58 <elb> yeah, "hackable phone" is pretty much a non-starter
Feb 16 21:51:51 <pupnik> i wonder if i could just put "apt-get install libSDL-net" into my postinst script
Feb 16 21:52:28 <raboof> well, openmoko looks good, except that it'll take them a while before they have stuff like battery life an making actual phonecalls in a usable state :)
Feb 16 21:52:34 <pH5> pupnik: don't do that, it's evil :)
Feb 16 21:53:13 <pupnik> pH5: ok.  well if a noob clicks on my .deb it will refuse to install since they don't have libsdl-net
Feb 16 21:53:35 <pupnik> i could be more evil and bundle the library with the package
Feb 16 21:53:48 <pH5> pupnik: but that's what package dependencies are for.
Feb 16 21:54:17 <raboof> add the lib as a dependency and fix whatever application handles 'a user clicking on a deb' to support them? :)
Feb 16 21:54:25 <pupnik> well then app manager should go and hunt for dependencies when user chooses to "install from file" or install from a webpage
Feb 16 21:54:58 <pupnik> raboof: sure, that's what i am suggesting.  have maemo "application-manager" resolve and install dependencies when installing from a file
Feb 16 22:00:39 <elb> raboof: I love comments like that
Feb 16 22:00:52 <Jaffa> App Mgr's open. Patch it?
Feb 16 22:00:54 <elb> raboof: "openmoko looks good [as a phone] [except it doesn't make calls]"
Feb 16 22:01:10 <Jaffa> ...and the UI's a bit sucky, and the hardware's fugly.
Feb 16 22:01:33 <lcuk_3> i think i found the nokie n95 flash files ;)
Feb 16 22:02:15 <raboof> elb: i like their philosophy, but they haven't made it happen yet. makes sense to me :)
Feb 16 22:02:22 <Jaffa> Unless the PowerVR needs a binary blob, isn't the driver (even if you can identify it) from an N95 going to be remarkably difficult to rev. engineer given the N95's a Symbian device
Feb 16 22:02:48 * Jaffa can't remember enough from ER5 driver development to know how hard it'd be
Feb 16 22:03:04 <lcuk_3> does 195MB sound about right for a full n95 flash update?
Feb 16 22:03:12 <Jaffa> lcuk_3: I'd guess so
Feb 16 22:03:23 <lcuk_3> good
Feb 16 22:04:35 <pupnik> i have leftover menu entries from uninstalled apps, how do I delete them?
Feb 16 22:04:48 <Jaffa> Ewww, nasty buggy apps.
Feb 16 22:04:59 <Jaffa> rm /usr/share/applications/... IIRC
Feb 16 22:05:30 <lcuk_3> which is the simplest/smallest nokia with a 2420 and powervr working on it?
Feb 16 22:05:44 <Jaffa> ...which has downloadable firmwares?
Feb 16 22:05:56 <lcuk_3> tell me a phone ill tell you if its there...
Feb 16 22:06:13 <Jaffa> N73
Feb 16 22:06:40 <lcuk_3> multiple builds and countries apparantly
Feb 16 22:06:43 <lcuk_3> ;)
Feb 16 22:07:00 <lcuk_3> excellent though, the firmwares are much smaller
Feb 16 22:07:16 <melmoth> pupnik: i had some that dissapeared after a reboot
Feb 16 22:07:39 <melmoth> (this was webhttrack thingy)
Feb 16 22:07:54 <Jaffa> lcuk_3: dunno if it's 2420 based; I'd *guess* so
Feb 16 22:08:02 <pupnik> thanks melmoth will try that
Feb 16 22:09:49 <Hrw|tablet> Rtcom-beta-os2008 integrates irc in nice way
Feb 16 22:09:58 <kulve> lcuk_3: what are you looking for? Or why?
Feb 16 22:10:34 <lcuk_3> another nokia driver which specifically makes use of the powervr 3d chip within the omap2420 so we can peek at the driver
Feb 16 22:10:43 <kulve> why nokia?
Feb 16 22:11:03 <kulve> http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html
Feb 16 22:11:06 <lcuk_3> why not?   do you know anything else using the omap2420 that has active power drivers?
Feb 16 22:11:07 <kulve> something google found
Feb 16 22:11:12 <kulve> now I'm off again
Feb 16 22:14:40 <Hrw|tablet> /Me off too
Feb 16 22:14:43 <pupnik> aha /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor
Feb 16 22:16:31 * Jaffa thinks that lardman had been looking at the PepperPad's driver (as linked to by kulve) and had managed to get it to load and export a /dev entry
Feb 16 22:17:27 <pupnik> anybody here gotten the alsa-oss or esd-oss emulation working?
Feb 16 22:17:30 <Jaffa> Ah, sysfs entries, but no /dev entries: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12672.html
Feb 16 22:23:06 <pupnik> melmoth: that command i pasted will refresh the menus, apparently
Feb 16 22:25:53 <pupnik> anybody with os2007 or os2008 around want to test new dosbox package??
Feb 16 22:27:34 <maddler> pupnik: ACK
Feb 16 22:28:16 <maddler> beside I don't have any dos app to check with :)
Feb 16 22:28:16 <pupnik> can you do an install straight from browser?
Feb 16 22:29:13 <maddler> I'm on my 810 over ssh.. wget? :)
Feb 16 22:29:22 <pupnik> ok
Feb 16 22:29:28 <maddler> or I'll have to stand up from my sofa... :D
Feb 16 22:29:30 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/chinook/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb
Feb 16 22:29:50 <pupnik> but pls don't install via dpkg -i
Feb 16 22:29:56 <pupnik> use app manager "install from file"
Feb 16 22:31:13 <edistar_> pupnik: app manager via sssh?
Feb 16 22:31:43 <maddler> oh... gotta remove it then... ;)
Feb 16 22:31:44 <maddler> gimme a sec...
Feb 16 22:31:44 <maddler> :D
Feb 16 22:31:52 <killfill> hi
Feb 16 22:32:21 <pupnik> it should install, set up the config files, and fix the N810 keyboard problem in dos
Feb 16 22:32:52 <killfill> i use mpd to stream music to the house. i wish to pre-hear and select the song i want to play previously on my N800.
Feb 16 22:32:58 <killfill> the music is on a remote server...
Feb 16 22:33:18 <killfill> how can i do this?.. can i mount thgourhgt ssh the music dir, so i can play it with the nokia?
Feb 16 22:33:32 <maddler> pupnik: it seems to be working fine...
Feb 16 22:34:00 <maddler> but it is not showing among active tasks...
Feb 16 22:34:22 <pupnik> i'm not going to implement that
Feb 16 22:34:56 <killfill> cannot find any ssh mouting software.. :s
Feb 16 22:35:31 <killfill> and the music is at the other end of the internet.. no vpn. so wont use NFS.
Feb 16 22:36:13 <maddler> pupnik: oh... good to know... ;)
Feb 16 22:36:39 <killfill> what other way could i use?
Feb 16 22:37:16 <maddler> killfill: sshfs/fuse? perhaps... dunno if they've been ported to maemo
Feb 16 22:37:45 <pupnik> killfill: i think there's a sshfs possible
Feb 16 22:37:55 <killfill> hm..
Feb 16 22:38:23 <killfill> look to be a port here.. http://maemo.org/community/wiki/FusePort/
Feb 16 22:40:15 <troll> /nick troll_screamingn800
Feb 16 22:41:07 <killfill> damn.. it depends on python2.4.. have 2.5.. :S
Feb 16 22:42:44 <pupnik> any OS2007 n800 users around?
Feb 16 22:42:47 <killfill> hm.. the 'ssh' package includes a ssh server too?
Feb 16 22:42:51 <lcdd> i just set up ampache for streaming music to my tablet
Feb 16 22:42:59 <EruditeHermit> how do I start the scratchbox environment?
Feb 16 22:43:04 <EruditeHermit> once installed
Feb 16 22:43:10 <killfill> ampache?
Feb 16 22:43:40 <lcdd> http://www.ampache.org/
Feb 16 22:44:45 <melmoth> EruditeHermit: there is a service file in /etc/init.d to start
Feb 16 22:44:53 <melmoth> then /scratchbox/login
Feb 16 22:45:00 <pupnik> EruditeHermit: perhaps /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start
Feb 16 22:45:25 <troll> Anybody t a clue
Feb 16 22:46:25 <troll> (pardon) Anybody got a clue how midi is supposed to work with the maemo alsa stuff?
Feb 16 22:47:44 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: melmoth how do I get the sbox shell prompt?
Feb 16 22:48:04 <melmoth> once the service is started:  /scratchbox/login
Feb 16 22:48:33 <melmoth> Your prompt will be something like: [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~]
Feb 16 22:48:54 <pupnik> troll it does not work
Feb 16 22:48:55 <EruditeHermit> /scratchbox/login: Permission denied
Feb 16 22:48:59 <killfill> damn. 'ssh' is bad.
Feb 16 22:49:19 <killfill> pupnik: you haènd to know if there is another fuse port?..
Feb 16 22:50:10 <pupnik> i haven't used it - just plain old nfs here
Feb 16 22:50:12 <melmoth> EruditeHermit: I never had this problem.
Feb 16 22:50:54 <troll> I've compiled all the snd-*  modules for the latest kernel and can play my midi guitar/keyboard nicely with it.
Feb 16 22:51:21 <pupnik> EruditeHermit: check /etc/group and see if your user is a member of the sbox: group
Feb 16 22:52:16 <killfill> how do i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/906740
Feb 16 22:52:20 <troll> I've compiled all the snd-*  modules for the latest kernel and can play my midi guitar/keyboard nicely with it.  But when I try nted from the armel debian archive it can't find my usb midi device. WTF?
Feb 16 22:52:20 <killfill> wish to remove ssh.. :S
Feb 16 22:52:26 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: I am
Feb 16 22:53:23 <troll> pupnik: YEA
Feb 16 22:54:03 <BTobotras> WTF are those idiots who made g_utf8_collate ignore case?!
Feb 16 22:54:10 <MangoFusion> neat
Feb 16 22:55:16 <troll> pupnik: Yea, I noticed.
Feb 16 22:57:29 <troll> pup: excuse the repeats..So far as I can tell the alsa sequencer module isn't  compiled in? Right?
Feb 16 22:59:53 <pupnik> troll correct, there is no sequencer
Feb 16 23:00:05 <pupnik> troll, this would be a very nice project to have a sequencer run on the dsp
Feb 16 23:03:34 <screamingn800> pupnik. Yea, right. Anyone got a few hundred Kb available to host the kernel modules that make a real (eg hardware) midi device perform. I have a few niceties I could share for that.
Feb 16 23:03:39 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: melmoth when I installed, I get an error saying that the scratchbox account for my user already exists nad it aborts setup
Feb 16 23:07:07 <pupnik> screamingn800: what are you talking about
Feb 16 23:07:15 <pupnik> timidity?
Feb 16 23:09:40 <pupnik> Why are you rerunning the setup EruditeHermit ?
Feb 16 23:09:48 <killfill> # modprobe fuse
Feb 16 23:09:48 <killfill> modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep
Feb 16 23:09:52 <killfill> where should that file be?..
Feb 16 23:11:00 <pupnik> dunno, try insmod instead
Feb 16 23:11:44 <pupnik> insmod /path/to/yourmodule.ko
Feb 16 23:11:54 <killfill> uuhg
Feb 16 23:11:58 <killfill> insmod: cannot insert './usr/share/fuse/module/fuse.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error
Feb 16 23:12:06 <melmoth> maybe a depmod -a ?
Feb 16 23:12:15 <killfill> -sh: depmod: not found
Feb 16 23:12:17 <killfill> :P
Feb 16 23:12:24 <melmoth> hmm, depmod will not help with bad format though
Feb 16 23:12:39 <killfill> i guess the thing was compiled for a old version of maemo.. it has 1 year already..
Feb 16 23:12:42 <killfill> damn.
Feb 16 23:12:44 <killfill> no fuse for me.. :S
Feb 16 23:12:54 <melmoth> who needs fuse when one got scp :)
Feb 16 23:13:00 <killfill> heh..
Feb 16 23:13:27 <killfill> who need scp when one has a lttle flash with 2G and wish to play with 30G.. :P
Feb 16 23:14:04 <pupnik> i wish we had a few rhs buttons.  like for a right-click
Feb 16 23:14:21 <screamingn800> pupnik: An on-board sequencer would be a bonus, however playing a midi synth/keyboard (even my wonderful midi guitar:) works even without that. You can use timidity for on-board sounds very nicely. What I would like to know is if anyone knows how to persuade alsa to enumerate it's midi capabilities for nted.
Feb 16 23:14:33 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: because I uninstalled it
Feb 16 23:14:55 <pupnik> EruditeHermit: ok then remove user from the sbox group
Feb 16 23:15:20 <pupnik> screamingn800: sounds cool.  i found timidity to be a bit of a pig.  do you have a timidity with a low-cpu usage config available?
Feb 16 23:15:51 <screamingn800> killfill: I got a fuse  module that works
Feb 16 23:15:56 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: I did but I still got that message
Feb 16 23:16:13 <killfill> screamingn800, oOoh.. where is it?!  :)
Feb 16 23:16:36 <EruditeHermit> pupnik: is there a .directory I have to remove?
Feb 16 23:17:57 <pupnik> sorry i don't have the scratchbox install script memorized EruditeHermit
Feb 16 23:18:12 <screamingn800> Hmm. lemme make a shar of it...
Feb 16 23:20:28 <killfill> screamingn800, you have just the module?. or the userlevel proggies too?.. (i.e. do i still need the maemofuse-sshfs i installed?)
Feb 16 23:20:45 <Jaffa> BTW, anyone know if either the built-in OS2008 Internet call, rtcomm-beta or Gizmo should work with video calls between two N810s behind different NAT routers?
Feb 16 23:21:41 <killfill> sip is a pain for nat..
Feb 16 23:22:52 * Jaffa and the missus have successfully used the built-in video conferencing between our N810s in our house, but then the last few days when she was at her parents one of them would say "connecting" after answering the ring, but the other would just keep ringing. Then it'd give up. Gizmo allowed us to answer, but then didn't do anything.
Feb 16 23:23:38 <Jaffa> Given 99% of the time when connected to wireless the tablets will be behind NAT, not being able to do NAT traversal (say using callproxy.nokia.com) is a pretty major oversight, IMHO
Feb 16 23:25:46 <lcuk_3> i know its a bit of cop out, but couldnt you blast a hole through your firewall to the gizmo port on your nokia
Feb 16 23:25:55 <lcuk_3> at least then one of you will be directly available
Feb 16 23:26:22 <Jaffa> True. Most of the time I'm thinking of using this is when I'm away in a hotel or something, and Mrs Jaffa is at home
Feb 16 23:26:48 <lcuk_3> would mrs jaffa mind if you opened one of her ports to the entire world?
Feb 16 23:27:03 <Jaffa> Not in a TCP/IP sense, no.
Feb 16 23:27:07 <lcuk_3> lol
Feb 16 23:27:19 <killfill> heh
Feb 16 23:27:39 <lcuk_3> that might get you round the problem then
Feb 16 23:28:21 <glass> vpn a solution?
Feb 16 23:28:47 <Jaffa> glass: possibly, are there any decent VPN solutions for maemo yet?
Feb 16 23:28:51 <lcuk_3> i was thinking more chocolate and flowers
Feb 16 23:29:03 <glass> Jaffa: beats me, sorry. but i'd think it would be a solution
Feb 16 23:29:11 <Jaffa> lcuk_3: I'll have a play with opening the ports up
Feb 16 23:29:24 <glass> Jaffa: something like that is the only reason i'm thinking maybe setting up vpn for my phones
Feb 16 23:29:29 <Jaffa> glass: possibly
Feb 16 23:29:32 <lcuk_3> can the maemo/linux do router autoconf stuff?
Feb 16 23:29:40 * killfill waiting for screamingn800's shar...
Feb 16 23:29:51 <lcuk_3> i remember reading that windows computers behind a wall can open router ports for games etc
Feb 16 23:30:01 <Jaffa> lcuk_3: UPnP port configuration? Linux can. Whether any of the Maemo apps do, no idea.
Feb 16 23:30:06 <Proteous> only with UPnP stuff
Feb 16 23:30:12 <Proteous> and UPnP is evil
Feb 16 23:30:19 <Jaffa> Yeah, but handy.
Feb 16 23:30:20 <lcuk_3> thats it jaffa, i remember reading about it ages ago
Feb 16 23:30:32 * lcuk_3 never needed it 
Feb 16 23:30:40 <MangoFusion> full of security holes, etc
Feb 16 23:30:50 <Jaffa> Good in Azureus :)
Feb 16 23:30:54 <Proteous> outbound packet filtering becomes useless when a virus infected computer can just open whatever ports it wants
Feb 16 23:31:02 <glass> does that upnp really work?
Feb 16 23:31:08 <Jaffa> MangoFusion: it's a protocol designed for opening up ports in firewalls/routers - it's a walking security hole!
Feb 16 23:31:13 <MangoFusion> ;)
Feb 16 23:31:17 <glass> not sure if it has actually just magically worked with any aps on my routers
Feb 16 23:31:28 * Jaffa wouldn't want to rely on it.
Feb 16 23:31:36 <Proteous> hell, you can make javascripts in webpages open outbound our inbound ports with UPnP
Feb 16 23:31:37 <Veggen> I hate that concept, too.
Feb 16 23:31:50 <lcuk_3> why is it a security hole - you only have wholesome legit apps running on the machines iside your lan
Feb 16 23:31:56 * Jaffa sighs - how an end user is ever expected to get a good experience out of these things, I'll never know.
Feb 16 23:32:08 <Jaffa> lcuk_3: ye-eeeess.
Feb 16 23:32:10 <Veggen> lcuk: I hope you're ironical now? ;)
Feb 16 23:32:15 <lcuk_3> windows vista gives incredible security :)
Feb 16 23:32:21 <lcuk_3> ^^^ what do you think?
Feb 16 23:32:21 <Proteous> ...
Feb 16 23:32:24 <Proteous> heh
Feb 16 23:33:36 <Proteous> of course software firewalls running on the computers you are trying to protect is just a stupid
Feb 16 23:33:48 <Proteous> as
Feb 16 23:34:21 <lcuk_3> the only truly secure protection method is to disconnect
Feb 16 23:35:21 <Proteous> you mean a computer that isn't even plugged in to power
Feb 16 23:35:32 <Proteous> maybe locked in a bank vault or something...
Feb 16 23:35:34 <Proteous> but still
Feb 16 23:36:02 <screamingn800> killfill:v ollocks...Too many beers  for making  a shar. Skype me..I'm penguin in Antarctica. Still trying to get all the others going, just  the module.
Feb 16 23:36:52 <lcuk_3> Proteous, bank robberies occur
Feb 16 23:37:06 <lcuk_3> so far though, ive not heard of anyone stealing a space ship ;)
Feb 16 23:37:36 <Proteous> heh
Feb 16 23:37:56 <melmoth> Wait untill you meet zaphod beeblebrox !
Feb 16 23:37:58 <lcuk_3> you can even send data streams to it and get results back
Feb 16 23:38:02 <Proteous> ground based spaceship destrying lasers!!!
Feb 16 23:38:32 <lcuk_3> LEO missile commanders wont touch anything in geostationary orbit or beyond for many years
Feb 16 23:39:06 * lcuk_3 just has to find the $200 million launch fees
Feb 16 23:40:10 <killfill> screamingn800, heh..
Feb 16 23:44:40 <killfill> screamingn800: you still there?.. :P
Feb 16 23:45:52 <screamingn800> killfill: Taint hard, just compile the kernel an the make modules with fuse enabled. lcuk_3: You mean the Yanks shot down the  sattelite
Feb 16 23:46:22 <lcuk_3> i dont think they have yet, i know they are intending too
Feb 16 23:47:36 <screamingn800> YES! Target practice!
Feb 16 23:47:44 <killfill> hm.. :S
Feb 16 23:47:51 <Fang64> um are they really shooting down that satellite?
Feb 16 23:48:01 <killfill> screamingn800: couldnt you just send my the .ko to me email?..
Feb 16 23:48:07 <Fang64> I don't imagine it giving off too much radiation even though it has some radiactive materials
Feb 16 23:48:20 <Fang64> wcs it hits a house maybe
Feb 16 23:48:45 <screamingn800> killfill: surenuff
Feb 16 23:49:11 <lcuk_3> forget hitting a house - what if it falls into china - with secrets intact?
Feb 16 23:49:23 <Fang64> uhm what secrests :p
Feb 16 23:49:32 <Fang64> secrets*
Feb 16 23:49:46 <screamingn800> how to make an n800!
Feb 16 23:49:48 <Fang64> rofl
Feb 16 23:49:59 <lcuk_3> kernel file for maemo ;)
Feb 16 23:50:07 <lcuk_3> powervr ^
Feb 16 23:50:26 <Fang64> How to make 2=1 or Divide by zero?
Feb 16 23:51:06 <screamingn800> Godalmighty powervr ftw
Feb 16 23:51:46 <Fang64> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/1%3D2 god that site rotts minds, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Divide_by_Zero
Feb 16 23:53:57 <pupnik> try to avoid lolcat stuff, rotmind, wastetime.  not as bad as television of course
Feb 16 23:54:30 * Jaffa has always found Uncyclopedia to be an unfunny, immature version of the PGG or H2G2
Feb 16 23:55:31 <Fang64> indeed
Feb 16 23:55:51 <killfill> whats surenuff?.. :P
Feb 16 23:56:40 <Fang64> I find the math proofs entertaining
Feb 17 00:01:16 <Jaffa> http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/2S7.html FTW
Feb 17 00:08:11 <screamingn800> killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled. p
Feb 17 00:09:23 <screamingn800> killfill: sent...hope you are the guy I googled.  Penguin n skypeis reallyzgood though.
Feb 17 00:10:49 <screamingn800> bloody n800 v-keyboard!
Feb 17 00:16:14 <pupnik> get the stowaway
Feb 17 00:16:52 <killfill> heh..
Feb 17 00:17:00 <killfill> screamingn800: i sent you a /msg with my mail...
Feb 17 00:17:07 <lcuk_3> apple bluetooth kb is nice :)
Feb 17 00:19:05 <killfill> hehe..
Feb 17 00:19:18 <killfill> screamingn800: you forgot to attach it!
Feb 17 00:24:00 <screamingn800> killfiillDont
Feb 17 00:24:36 <screamingn800> Urkk. killfill: I don't think I have godlike powers on irc. /msg don't  work with me.  Try the jedi hand waving thing. (I'm not registered sorry.)
Feb 17 00:27:02 <pupnik> someone with OS2007 please try installing http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html
Feb 17 00:29:03 <screamingn800> killfilll
Feb 17 00:30:33 <screamingn800> killfill: No attachment; really? BUGGER lemme try again.
Feb 17 00:36:54 <screamingn800> killfill: El dom, 17-02-2008 a las 00:05 +0000, escribió: cool man!
Feb 17 00:43:20 <screamingn800> Hey, killfill: So I'm an Antarctic Penguin resident in Catalunia who drinks British beer and Rumanian plum brandy. In Spain. OK ;-)
Feb 17 00:43:51 <killfill> jaja...
Feb 17 00:44:29 <killfill> i actually hate beers..
Feb 17 00:44:37 * killfill drinking a black label.. :P
Feb 17 00:44:57 <screamingn800> Puke-----
Feb 17 00:46:08 <killfill> shit.
Feb 17 00:46:14 <killfill> it works.. yay!
Feb 17 00:46:40 <screamingn800> YeeHaaaa!
Feb 17 00:50:44 <__marker> hi
Feb 17 00:50:54 <screamingn800> I want to get the virtual filesystem that does transparent .gz .tgz .whatever going but you beat  me to it. It seems. I just compiled the silly thng ;-)
Feb 17 00:51:01 <__marker> does vnc exist for chinook?
Feb 17 00:51:42 <__marker> vncviewer
Feb 17 00:51:53 <screamingn800> __marker, Yep
Feb 17 00:52:04 <Navi> tightvnc, I believe
Feb 17 00:52:23 <killfill> ls: ./Musica_sofsis: Permission denied
Feb 17 00:52:23 <killfill> :S
Feb 17 00:52:33 <killfill> damn.. the permitions things works just like nfs..
Feb 17 00:52:37 * killfill fuse newbie.. :P
Feb 17 00:52:42 <__marker> and where?
Feb 17 00:52:43 <Navi> :P
Feb 17 00:54:29 <__marker> ok found thanks
Feb 17 00:54:51 <screamingn800> killfill: Me too!
Feb 17 00:55:04 <Navi> me 2
Feb 17 00:55:34 <screamingn800> N00bies all ofus
Feb 17 00:56:56 <killfill> hm..
Feb 17 00:57:01 <killfill> drwxrwxrwx    1 user     root         4096 Jan 22 23:44 Musica_sofsis
Feb 17 00:57:10 <killfill> the think looks just like all other dirs.. user cnanot see it.. :S
Feb 17 00:59:08 <killfill> fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
Feb 17 00:59:15 <killfill> user cannot execut the thing neither..
Feb 17 01:16:54 <screamingn800> killfill: Bugger ! Oh well, that's one more thing not to try.
Feb 17 01:17:18 <Navi> can't chmod +x?
Feb 17 01:20:15 <pupnik> What do you think about this idea for mouse click emulation in dosbox.  Screen functions as a touchpad for moving mouse; stylus clicks do not cause a mousedown event.  When cursor is in position, hitting dpad-enter with stylus down generates a left mouse click, while 'esc' button with stylus down generates right mouse click?
Feb 17 01:21:00 <screamingn800> Gnite all...2 much of that Rumanian plum brandy 2 keep on hacking ;-}
Feb 17 01:21:10 <pupnik> ok cheers screamingn800
Feb 17 01:22:45 <dskippy> Does anyone know if I can control the master volume of the N800 from within a python program?
Feb 17 01:24:00 <dskippy> I'd like to control them with the zoom hardware buttons.
Feb 17 01:56:41 <Proteous> omg, just got sshd running on my appleTV
Feb 17 01:56:46 <Proteous> !!!
Feb 17 01:56:55 <Proteous> through a crazy amount of crazy hackage
Feb 17 02:01:45 <lcdd> steve won't approve :|
Feb 17 02:03:39 <Proteous> SORRY STEVE!!
Feb 17 02:03:42 <Proteous> really, I am
Feb 17 02:04:14 <Proteous> but maybe you should think about adding default support of normal video file formats and some functionality to mount remote drives
Feb 17 02:04:17 <Proteous> maybe
Feb 17 02:09:38 <poiuz> someone knows how to shutdown Xomap on n800?
Feb 17 02:10:01 <poiuz> whenever I do /etc/init.d/x-server stop the device will automatically reboot ..
Feb 17 02:19:14 <djtansey> flash isn't working for some reason. says to install player. i apt-get removed/installed macromedia-flashplayer. it says no installation candidate. advice?
Feb 17 02:30:06 <Screaming> Damnit, I just can't sleep worrying over this.
Feb 17 02:30:38 <Navi> Over what?
Feb 17 02:30:41 <Screaming> Surely someone knows why enumerating midi devices with alsa on the n800 fails.
Feb 17 02:30:57 <Navi> 'cuz Linux midi support fails
Feb 17 02:31:04 <Screaming> Maybe it's..something undiscovered...
Feb 17 02:31:19 <Screaming> Like the answer to Life the Universe and everything.
Feb 17 02:31:42 <Screaming> 42, but with real mice and stuff.
Feb 17 02:32:03 <Screaming> Some kind of ... linux distributed intelligence.
Feb 17 02:32:18 <Screaming> qIt's..Oh, no...
Feb 17 02:32:38 <Screaming> My DVD drive just poked out it's caddy.
Feb 17 02:32:54 <Screaming> And the laser is waving around, trying to...
Feb 17 02:33:16 <Screaming> Aaaargh! Gotta warn the world..It's alive
Feb 17 02:33:34 <pupnik> why do you want alsa midi?
Feb 17 02:33:40 <pupnik> do you have an application that uses it?
Feb 17 02:33:48 <Screaming> ...and it's...
Feb 17 02:34:13 <Screaming> Bill Gates!!!!!
Feb 17 02:34:43 * Screaming Dies horrible death.
Feb 17 02:35:26 <Navi> ...
Feb 17 02:50:02 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7UidW2tMtQ  Static compiler for x86-ARM, running a dos program natively on ARM
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