**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 25 10:59:56 2008 Feb 25 11:12:24 do you know what causes "libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out" when I try to do a fresh install of maemo? Feb 25 12:15:18 WOOHOO it built! Feb 25 12:15:29 * pupnik_ does the bowling-pin dance Feb 25 12:17:09 wow and it doesn't crash holy buckets ! Feb 25 12:17:14 :D Feb 25 12:17:35 ok, you've got me. what *is* it? Feb 25 12:17:43 :D Feb 25 12:18:05 i mashed up some linux code with some gp2x code Feb 25 12:18:17 and it was one hell of a ride Feb 25 12:18:50 picture frankenstein taking a first lurching step :) Feb 25 12:19:07 heh...reminds me of a car I used to own Feb 25 12:20:00 my enter key doesn't work :( Feb 25 12:54:43 #rubylang Feb 25 12:54:50 oops ;) Feb 25 12:55:52 that would have been less embarrassing if it wasn't the wrong channel name :) Feb 25 12:58:48 Alterego: any progress with ruby-maemo? Feb 25 12:59:18 yes, but still now new packages I'm afraid. Feb 25 12:59:49 I should really get my ass in gear. I've been being really lazy with it recently. Feb 25 13:00:19 Alterego: what's gear? Feb 25 13:01:30 he means he should get working on his project. :) Feb 25 13:03:23 felipec, like sticking my car into drive ;) Feb 25 13:03:34 it's a metaphor :) Feb 25 13:05:20 lol Feb 25 13:06:02 I don't know why I thouhgt it was a project Feb 25 13:08:09 Alterego: what version of ruby-gnome2 did you use for ruby-maemo? 0.16.0 or a certain SVN checkout? Feb 25 13:11:24 Anybody tried example_camera? Feb 25 13:12:02 pupnik_: hooray! Feb 25 13:12:24 :) Feb 25 13:12:55 course, there's no input and no output. but it's emulatin! Feb 25 13:13:03 is it hanging until the buffer's filled? Feb 25 13:13:04 lol Feb 25 13:13:26 nah it just makes screen go black Feb 25 13:13:37 but it's emulatin Feb 25 13:14:17 hmm - I'm speaking of the fceu regression Feb 25 13:14:34 oh i have no idea why it pauses Feb 25 13:15:04 it pauses less frequently when i put a load on the cpu with 'top' Feb 25 13:15:13 so it seems to be getting 'ahead of itself' Feb 25 13:18:57 Tak seen this? An emu coder got a Nokia http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17125 Feb 25 13:23:04 Spakman, 0.16.0 Feb 25 13:24:16 There's some features in svn that I need to evaluate though. So I might be moving to SVN. Feb 25 13:24:16 depending on the state of their test suite. Feb 25 13:34:19 Alterego: thanks. I've had a couple of segfaults using non-Hildon widgets. Have you altered them at all or is it down to ruby-gnome2? Feb 25 13:46:34 Spakman_ I've not touched them no. Feb 25 13:47:23 the majoriy of segfaults I've had, mind you, have been missuse but unclear docs. Feb 25 13:47:40 oh, and unusual garbage collection. Feb 25 13:47:56 bluetooth headset is worked only kagu ? Feb 25 13:51:44 is there a solution for UI bug 2291? I just installed maemo 2.2 and having this problem Feb 25 13:52:43 hey all. I have a little question, not directly aimed at development for the Tablets, but maybe someone can aim me in the right direction: I got a n770 and read somewhere that it is possible to use a standard SD-card without any mods. Anyone know anything about this? Feb 25 13:55:27 Zhiva: rs-mmc slot in 770 (not n770) is too thin for normal sd cards Feb 25 13:57:05 I get the card to fit in the n770, but the system doesn't find the card Feb 25 13:57:29 it doesn't support sd Feb 25 13:57:32 plain and simple Feb 25 13:57:59 ok then, back to modding it internaly :) Feb 25 14:02:00 anyone here got N800 SIP client to work with asterisk? Feb 25 14:04:08 A lot of people. Feb 25 14:05:12 bug 2291: Maemo UI can't start within Scratchbox. Does anyone know what causes this? Feb 25 14:06:04 GeneralAntilles: the default N800 OS2008 SIP client is not working for me. Is there any specific configuration needed? Feb 25 14:06:24 I dunno. Feb 25 14:07:28 ok Feb 25 14:12:24 Alterego: cheers. I'll have a look at reworking some of my code. Feb 25 14:14:04 Alterego: also, I've noticed that when I prepend or append things to a ListStore, my TreeView selection event method is called. It's not called when I run the same code on my desktop. Do you know if that's something to do with GTK on Maemo? Feb 25 14:18:43 GeneralAntilles: when *do* you sleep!? >_< Feb 25 14:19:10 Way too early yesterday afternoon. Feb 25 14:19:17 * rm_you trudges to class Feb 25 14:19:42 glass, they're electrically compatible, so yes, it does. Feb 25 14:21:07 Juhaz: someone written support? Feb 25 14:21:22 hmmh Feb 25 14:22:44 yes, the kernel modules were backported from n800, even sdhc works. Feb 25 14:22:48 hi all.... Feb 25 14:22:53 go a quick question Feb 25 14:23:15 can any app get hold of the camera data from the n800/n810? Feb 25 14:23:28 yes Feb 25 14:23:39 rm_you: awesome Feb 25 14:23:46 how Feb 25 14:23:49 there is both a camera app and a video app Feb 25 14:24:07 i dont remember what they're called ATM, but they are on the ITT forum in the "Apps" section Feb 25 14:24:09 rm_you: yeh, but I wanna write an app Feb 25 14:24:12 might have to go back a page or two Feb 25 14:24:16 look at the source for those :P Feb 25 14:24:18 I need to know how to interface with it Feb 25 14:24:21 heheh Feb 25 14:24:21 ko Feb 25 14:24:23 unfortunately that doesn't mean the camera doesn't suck ;-) Feb 25 14:24:27 * GeneralAntilles just got back from class. :P Feb 25 14:24:31 lol Feb 25 14:24:31 h8 Feb 25 14:24:35 ack! late! Feb 25 14:24:36 * rm_you leaves Feb 25 14:25:11 cbx33, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/ Feb 25 14:25:36 thanks wnd Feb 25 14:26:07 also see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_use_camera_api.html Feb 25 14:26:21 thats what I wanted really Feb 25 14:26:22 thanks Feb 25 14:27:30 iirc that example doesn't work as-is, I think I had to change something to make it run without segfaulting at start-up Feb 25 14:27:38 hahah Feb 25 14:27:39 ok Feb 25 14:27:53 if you can find what you did that'd be cool Feb 25 14:28:11 looks like I added the following attribute for gst_caps_new_simple(): '"framerate", GST_TYPE_FRACTION, 25, 1,' Feb 25 14:28:28 thanks Feb 25 14:28:59 hmm Feb 25 14:29:15 now that I look at the code there are two calls to gst_caps_new_simple() Feb 25 14:29:22 oh Feb 25 14:30:01 anyway I think the magic was either to set framerate explicitely everywhere or remove the framerate definition for good Feb 25 14:30:17 ok Feb 25 14:30:23 does the https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_camera.c Feb 25 14:30:26 code work? Feb 25 14:30:35 I think that's the one I had to modify Feb 25 14:30:42 oh Feb 25 14:30:44 :( Feb 25 14:30:46 but try it out first, I could remember wrong Feb 25 14:32:06 there's one thing worth mentioning though. the example application is quite slow. that camera-application at garage has significantly better framerate so if you can find the sources, you'd probably better go with it instead. I would also be interested in the source. :-) Feb 25 14:32:18 ok Feb 25 14:33:51 wnd isn't it written by Nokia? Feb 25 14:33:59 in which case is the source actually getable? Feb 25 14:34:25 :( Feb 25 14:34:32 I don't know, I haven't really looked into it Feb 25 14:34:37 Juhaz: thats very nice Feb 25 15:17:25 morning Feb 25 15:17:57 morning Feb 25 15:17:59 i have noticed something interesting ... the application manager put one of my SD cards into ro mode after an install failure Feb 25 15:18:29 does the application have some form of file system validation before it proceeds with the install ? Feb 25 15:23:01 hi Feb 25 15:23:05 I suck at gtk Feb 25 15:23:12 how do I get at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkToolButton.html#GtkToolButton--label Feb 25 15:23:58 I can't seem to find a sane doc on how these "properties" are accessed in C Feb 25 15:24:31 sp3000, g_object_get? Feb 25 15:24:50 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/gobject-The-Base-Object-Type.html#g-object-get Feb 25 15:24:50 * czr has forgot most gtk during past 4 months anyway Feb 25 15:30:24 thanks Feb 25 15:30:58 now to figure out why label-widget doesn't turn out to be a widget Feb 25 15:33:31 bug? :) Feb 25 17:15:45 sera Feb 25 17:18:42 * BTobotras lazily considers programming something useful. Web-camera? Something else? Feb 25 17:19:40 Make a home applet that displays information from the temp sensor (in the n800 and the n810) and the light sensor (n810 only) :) Feb 25 17:19:48 sample code for getting those values is posted somewhere on ITT Feb 25 17:20:20 BTobotras: and then release the source so I can add a perlin noise based planet display to the center, and make it look awesome in LCARS :P Feb 25 17:21:36 http://youtube.com/watch?v=ycIjt-ykWRo Feb 25 17:22:28 BTobotras: You should devise a way of turning matter into energy and back again via an Ultra-Mobile computer running Windows Vista. Feb 25 17:23:30 http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/events/aa740358.aspx#isvgal Feb 25 17:24:31 ok, that is a neat piano thing Feb 25 17:24:55 lack of multitouch on n800 makes it kind of... not feasible though :/ Feb 25 17:25:01 which is sad Feb 25 17:25:39 oh Feb 25 17:25:41 i like the pocketguitar too :P Feb 25 17:27:13 anybody know how to set sound volumes in the shell? Video player is so much louder than anything else. Feb 25 17:33:53 ac7ss: aumix? Feb 25 17:37:24 where can I find that? Feb 25 17:38:29 ac7ss: apt-get install aumix-gtk? Feb 25 17:40:28 ac7ss: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=128 Feb 25 17:40:38 ac7ss: (click it from device' browser) Feb 25 17:45:26 mallum: yo Feb 25 17:46:10 mallum: i saw you taking a picture in my talk, any way i can get it :) Feb 25 17:46:43 what's the repository? Feb 25 17:48:04 ac7ss: source of packages. Feb 25 17:49:06 no, the name of the repo. (Not what is a repository) Feb 25 17:50:24 the url you gave me was bad. Feb 25 17:50:48 ac7ss: www.gronmayer.com/it -- grep for aumix Feb 25 17:52:31 ac7ss: oops, I've assumed you run OS2008 Feb 25 17:53:14 ac7ss: or better grep for elkins Feb 25 17:54:11 helps if I spell it right. Feb 25 18:21:48 Is there a program that will play MPEG2 files on OS2008? Feb 25 18:40:52 Is there a program that will play MPEG2 files on OS2008? Feb 25 18:43:46 pope523__: the Media Player doesn't? Feb 25 18:43:55 felipec: Nope Feb 25 18:44:14 felipec: Nor does Canola Feb 25 18:44:43 pope523__: you need to make sure that you have the mpeg2dec GStreamer element Feb 25 18:45:05 pope523__: if it's not there maybe you can fill a bug report Feb 25 18:45:06 How can I check that Feb 25 18:45:22 pope523__: install gst-tools and run gst-inspect-0.10 mpeg2dec Feb 25 18:46:45 Where do I get gst-tools? I can't find it. Feb 25 18:49:09 pope523__: I don't know =/ should be there Feb 25 18:57:13 pope_523__: "apt-get-install gst-tools" ? Feb 25 18:58:34 pope_523__: sorry that's "apt-get-install gstreamer0.10-tools" Feb 25 18:58:36 rghosh: Tried that, can't find package Feb 25 18:58:46 sorry, wrong package name, try the second one Feb 25 18:59:04 "Package gstreamer0.10-tools is not available, but is referred to by another package." Feb 25 18:59:23 do "dpkg -l gst*" Feb 25 18:59:37 and give me the line that mentions the package gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 18:59:54 No packages found matching gst Feb 25 19:00:24 hmm lemme thnik Feb 25 19:00:56 probably in another catalog / repository Feb 25 19:01:03 right Feb 25 19:01:10 lemme find the repo for that package Feb 25 19:02:02 * konttori just made a blog entry on theme maker (nice screenshots included!) Feb 25 19:02:02 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Feb 25 19:02:24 pope523__: what are the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? Feb 25 19:03:22 When I try to cat that file, it gives me nothing, but I've used apt-get to install packages before Feb 25 19:04:25 you are using chinook right? Feb 25 19:04:33 Yes Feb 25 19:05:21 my file looks like this: Feb 25 19:05:21 deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free Feb 25 19:05:21 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free Feb 25 19:05:21 deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian chinook maemo Feb 25 19:05:47 you can put that stuff in the file, update apt, then try again Feb 25 19:06:13 There are a whole bunch of repositories listed in the Applications Manager Feb 25 19:06:22 Isn't that just a front end for apt-get? Feb 25 19:06:34 yes Feb 25 19:07:06 in your application manager, can you go to tools >> application catalog? Feb 25 19:07:28 edit maemo extras chinook, and uncheck disabled if it's enabled? Feb 25 19:07:43 as well as maemo extras itself Feb 25 19:08:14 There are 8 entries in the application catalog Feb 25 19:08:26 do you see the 2 i mentioned? Feb 25 19:08:54 Yes, and neither are disabled Feb 25 19:09:13 ok, i would edit the sources.list file if i were you Feb 25 19:09:20 that's the only path i can think of Feb 25 19:10:02 I tried adding repositories by editting the sources.list file last night and it didn't work Feb 25 19:10:11 did you update apt after doing so? Feb 25 19:10:14 Yes Feb 25 19:10:19 It failed to update Feb 25 19:11:11 ok maybe the servers were down, you can try it again now if you wish Feb 25 19:11:42 here is the package info in case it helps: Feb 25 19:11:42 aikon2:~# apt-cache showpkg gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 19:11:42 Package: gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 19:11:42 Versions: Feb 25 19:11:42 0.10.13-0osso11(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_chinook_free_binary-armel_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) Feb 25 19:11:44 Reverse Depends: Feb 25 19:11:46 maemo-mmf-runtime,gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 19:11:48 libgstreamer0.10-0,gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 19:11:50 gstreamer-tools,gstreamer0.10-tools Feb 25 19:11:52 Dependencies: Feb 25 19:11:54 0.10.13-0osso11 - libc6 (2 2.5.0-1) libglib2.0-0 (2 2.12.12-1osso3) libgstreamer0.10-0 (2 0.10.9) libxml2 (0 (null)) gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (0 (null)) Feb 25 19:11:57 Provides: Feb 25 19:11:59 0.10.13-0osso11 - Feb 25 19:12:01 Reverse Provides: Feb 25 19:12:03 aikon2:~# Feb 25 19:12:46 pastebin Feb 25 19:13:24 sorry, i was looking for that but couldn't find it Feb 25 19:16:13 yer, use pastebin, the internet tubes will get clogged and people will blame you Feb 25 19:16:41 got it, sorry for that Feb 25 19:17:05 im joking, i personally dont have a problem posting huge essays when the chan is quiet Feb 25 19:31:33 greetings, does anyone know if microb can be built for x86? Feb 25 19:40:28 jsheldon: this seems to suggest "yes": http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions Feb 25 19:41:02 shit, wrong browser Feb 25 19:41:04 nevermind Feb 25 19:41:26 rghosh: ah, nuts, no problem, thanks for looking Feb 25 19:42:06 actually, it might afterall, i'm checking out the MicroB repo now and among the contents: Feb 25 19:42:06 A browser/extensions/maemo-google-gears/trunk/gears/third_party/gecko_sdk/1.9/linux-maemo/i386/include/nsStaticNameTable.h Feb 25 19:42:28 and a bunch of others in that dir, don't really know though Feb 25 19:43:37 i don't know why it wouldn't, though... http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html says it builds on non-debian environments so it isn't maemo-specific Feb 25 19:43:47 rghosh: cool, I'm trying #1 from the instructions here: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html Feb 25 19:43:58 ah good timing :) Feb 25 19:44:41 I had tried the script in the second part first, that died rather sadly Feb 25 20:05:18 youtube not work, wants some package to us? Feb 25 20:08:11 jsheldon: i ran build_non_deb.sh fine on my hateful FC6 installation. (had to install sharutils and quilt first) Feb 25 20:08:58 rghosh: interesting, if I hit a dead end with debian package utils I'll dig into that further, thanks! Feb 25 20:09:15 np Feb 25 20:38:58 omg, someone tried to steal my nick Feb 25 20:48:36 hi folks. Anyone got a link to fixing my internal memory card on the n810? Feb 25 20:49:05 fixing? Feb 25 20:49:23 lol, well I no longer have it recognised upon booting Feb 25 20:50:54 should the osso_rss_feed_reader be operational if i dont have rss widget enabled ? Feb 25 20:51:05 if so, wtf is it there for? Feb 25 20:51:21 (and can i just wipe it out) Feb 25 21:04:18 tubtub: tried formatting it from the control panel/memory applet? Feb 25 21:11:37 maddler: Thanks but fixed it. I had recompiled the kernel and bodged it. Left something out and it didnt have the right nodes under /dev. recompiled stock kernel and all sorted now Feb 25 21:14:02 another linux question: when i run find (in this case: find / -iname 'sdl*' ) why does it list a number of folders along its search which are permission denied and how do i prevent it from listing those broken links (which distract the eye and scroll for ages even if nothing is found Feb 25 21:17:52 lcuk: It lists folders where permission was denied because... permission was denied. It's telling you it couldn't search in there. Feb 25 21:18:20 You can get rid of error messages by adding a 2> /dev/null to the end of the command (assuming you're using bash or an equivalent shell). Feb 25 21:19:44 excellent, i will try it :) i realise it might not get everywhere but when i am just trying to find something which i know applications can reach (the compiler) which isn't root then by definition, I should be able to as well. thanks for info, it works btw. Feb 25 21:39:08 Anyone run the GPE Calendar widget? Feb 25 21:39:17 It doesn't work for me. Feb 25 21:39:43 Hola Feb 25 21:39:50 Hi Navi Feb 25 21:39:57 hai Feb 25 21:40:52 <_Shurik_> I couldn't get it to run either Feb 25 21:40:59 <_Shurik_> it's missing some libraries, I didn't have time to look Feb 25 21:42:10 Aw Feb 25 22:29:39 if i was wanting to use sdl_ttf inside an app how do i get it installed and available within scratchbox? Feb 25 22:30:32 lcuk, apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0-dev Feb 25 22:32:28 w000t, thank you. it failed the first time, but i did apt-get update and then everything went smoothly Feb 25 22:41:54 is the application used http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/nokia/ safe to use in order to gain root privs, or is there a better way to do it Feb 25 22:45:56 yes, becomeroot is safe Feb 25 22:46:13 i just ssh root@localhost Feb 25 22:46:36 however, I suggest you don't just add *all* the repositories on gronmayer.com/it ... Feb 25 22:47:21 that is just stupid advice... Feb 25 22:47:48 johnx: ya, I'm hesitant about that Feb 25 22:49:09 anyone can add a repository listing to gronmayer and repositories for bora can potentially cause real conflicts when installed on chinook (chinook = os2008) Feb 25 22:49:43 anyone can also add a repository that installs a keylogger Feb 25 22:50:02 why keyloggers when you can install rootkits? Feb 25 22:50:33 which repos are safe to use and mix? Feb 25 22:51:22 someone should really make a package named "canola3" that changes desktop background to goatse and add the repository to gronmayer ... Feb 25 22:52:02 I wouldn't mind doing that but I don't want to be shunned by the community after being caught Feb 25 22:52:07 :) Feb 25 22:52:11 did i just walk in on the middle of another unmanaged repos conversation? Feb 25 22:52:28 no, this is just the start of it Feb 25 22:52:35 you still have time to join in :P Feb 25 22:53:07 livinded: Someone in ubuntu circles did exactly that Feb 25 22:53:23 people were outraged even though it was his personal repo Feb 25 22:53:40 I have reason enough to hate ubuntu, I don't need any more Feb 25 22:53:57 two wrongs don't make a right Feb 25 22:54:32 johnx, his own personal repo that people started to misuse... Feb 25 22:54:44 ah, ok...now it becomes clearer Feb 25 22:55:04 though why he made it public if he didn't want people to use it... Feb 25 22:55:18 sure Feb 25 22:56:10 still, abusing the community's trust doesn't seem like the right way to go about proving something Feb 25 22:57:14 not to mention some of us are in the security community Feb 25 22:58:33 well he made the point that adding arbitrary repositories is a bad idea .. ;) Feb 25 22:58:38 it would create quite a bit of fallout on whoever would do that Feb 25 22:59:50 acydlord, absolutely. and people don't really learn that well from humiliation Feb 25 23:00:52 so make it actually take there information, they do learn from getting owned Feb 25 23:01:04 or they just leave because they are afraid Feb 25 23:01:32 hopefully not the intended result? Feb 25 23:01:36 well, it's like telling your neighbor he shouldn't leave his car doors unlocked and when he continues to do so, you take some rotten vegetables and put it under his seat... Feb 25 23:01:40 is there a searchable maemo-developers archive? Feb 25 23:02:00 or like getting people to rm -rf their root dir Feb 25 23:02:01 afaik the package he injected was not malicious just a "proof of concept" .. but given the blind trust of many users a malicious package could easily be distributed.. Feb 25 23:02:09 rafl, yes Feb 25 23:02:16 they quickly learn not to do it again and hopefully not to ask stupid questions Feb 25 23:02:44 johnx: where? Feb 25 23:03:06 rafl, here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/ Feb 25 23:03:11 had to dig up the link :) Feb 25 23:03:16 rafl, or use google with "site:lists.maemo.org" Feb 25 23:03:49 livinded, do you have some evidence that people learn like that? Feb 25 23:04:09 jku: I have irc logs Feb 25 23:04:26 i've gotten someone twice in one day with rm -rf * Feb 25 23:04:33 they either learn or they don't come back Feb 25 23:04:37 thanks Feb 25 23:04:43 either way there is a positive outcome Feb 25 23:04:56 livinded, that's your opinion Feb 25 23:05:03 it's not our responsibility to badger people into improving their security...and I don't think fostering an environment of paranoia and mistrust is a good thing... Feb 25 23:05:58 i've only done it when the person is extremely obnoxious and unwilling to learn Feb 25 23:06:27 and I can also say that I'm proof that it works, years ago I fork bombed my box after asking a stupid question in an irc channel Feb 25 23:06:27 generally in this sort of community education and cooperation is how it goes Feb 25 23:07:10 always research to your fullest before asking a question :) Feb 25 23:08:23 well using untrusted repositories may break things or even worse bear some backdoored packages in it - not that i know of this ever happenend but people tend to be incautious.. Feb 25 23:09:07 anyone else been having issues with the latest n810 image being corrupted? Feb 25 23:09:14 * Navi hugs the N800 Feb 25 23:09:30 acydlord: nope, I just flashed mine Feb 25 23:10:06 got corrupts twice with the flasher in winders, downloaded the image, and its still telling me the image is corrupt Feb 25 23:10:17 i think its a windows issue =x Feb 25 23:10:38 is the file not downloading cleanly? they posted md5sums right? Feb 25 23:10:43 there we go, working from the flasher this time Feb 25 23:10:44 not that i agree with the method of this particular guy but in the end it would be better to only use centralized repositories that can be considered "trustworthy" Feb 25 23:11:02 and the maemo repository situation *is* a mess Feb 25 23:11:22 that it is Feb 25 23:11:30 I think they're actually working on getting stuff into extras without as much fuss... Feb 25 23:11:45 I definitely see mumblings on the mailing list in that direction... Feb 25 23:11:52 oops, i forgot to back up Feb 25 23:12:06 Sweet Feb 25 23:12:12 jott++ Feb 25 23:12:23 yeah.. well autobuilder or alike would be the best solution :) Feb 25 23:13:00 "don't make good an enemy of perfect..." :P Feb 25 23:14:21 where can I find python-hildon :| Feb 25 23:14:33 they still haven't even responded about my application to extras >_> Feb 25 23:14:48 Navi, in "Extras" maybe? Feb 25 23:14:56 doesn't python2.5-runtime depend on it? Feb 25 23:15:09 Navi: python2.5-hildon -> http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Feb 25 23:15:35 I have that repo :| Feb 25 23:15:48 python2.5-hildon is what you're looking for... Feb 25 23:15:48 it's not showing up on my application list Feb 25 23:15:51 it's python2.5-hildon not python-hildon :) Feb 25 23:16:00 yeah, I'm searching for _just_ python Feb 25 23:16:06 with app manager? Feb 25 23:16:10 yes Feb 25 23:16:20 rm_you, hi. :) I think new package inclusion guidelines are a work in progress so far Feb 25 23:16:25 hmm i guess you need red pill or anyother crap mode for that ;) Feb 25 23:16:28 heh yeah Feb 25 23:16:32 :/ Feb 25 23:16:38 Navi, you don't need red pill Feb 25 23:16:44 k Feb 25 23:16:45 scroll down to P and see if python is there Feb 25 23:16:46 or just use apt-get ;) Feb 25 23:16:51 k Feb 25 23:16:54 the app manager still seems very useless >_> Feb 25 23:17:02 i've never gotten it to let me install anything Feb 25 23:17:09 wow Feb 25 23:17:19 or found anything via its interface Feb 25 23:17:29 most of the time it throws errors on updating packages... Feb 25 23:17:31 err Feb 25 23:17:33 This device is a trick Feb 25 23:17:36 updating repos Feb 25 23:17:39 someone knows how to use gtkmozembed in hildon? Feb 25 23:17:44 which works fine with apt-get update Feb 25 23:17:49 You buy the device, and then you have to buy everything that should come with it Feb 25 23:17:55 or it freezes on updating Feb 25 23:18:26 rm_you, sounds highly a-typical. Feb 25 23:18:27 Navi, hmm? like what? SD cards? Feb 25 23:18:42 mapping? Feb 25 23:18:43 I've been using the app manager for 2 years without major trouble. Feb 25 23:18:50 GeneralAntilles, rm_you is actually unlucky enough with handheld linux devices that I believe him... Feb 25 23:19:12 Ha Feb 25 23:19:23 rm_you, probably got bad repo listed, just cull the lot apart from the 2 base ones. Feb 25 23:19:28 johnx, SD cards, screen protector, casing, keyboard, USB Host Feb 25 23:19:45 lcuk: apt-get update throws two GPG errors, that's all i can figure Feb 25 23:19:54 but it totally breaks the process in the app manager when i try Feb 25 23:20:06 The GPG errors are non-fatal. Feb 25 23:20:15 i thought you had that licked last night with it being that media app? Feb 25 23:20:15 ah...one of those tricks where Nokia gets you to buy stuff from companies totally unrelated to them? :P I see it now...it's all a conspiracy Feb 25 23:20:18 that's what i thought... but <_< Feb 25 23:20:27 lcuk: that was the reboot-loop issue Feb 25 23:20:33 rtcomm-beta is broken again apparently :( Feb 25 23:20:39 No Feb 25 23:20:41 you know i've seen a lot of people complan about having to buy cases, sd cards, screen protectors Feb 25 23:20:51 what other devices come with all of tis? Feb 25 23:20:52 now i'm just talking about the app manager misbehaving Feb 25 23:20:53 Updating to rtcomm-beta with apt-get upgrade is broken. Feb 25 23:21:01 dpkg --purge hildon-application-manager ;> Feb 25 23:21:08 GeneralAntilles: worked before :P but yes, i know that doesnt necessarily mean anything Feb 25 23:21:10 Navi, how is that any different from any other mobile device? :P Feb 25 23:21:10 my n810 came with 2 stylii, a slip case, and a screen wipe Feb 25 23:21:10 lol Feb 25 23:21:14 GeneralAntilles: WORKSFORME :P Feb 25 23:21:23 * Navi wonders why he's being a retard and punching in crap with the OSK. Feb 25 23:21:28 * lcuk still mourns his slip case Feb 25 23:21:30 my centro came with a stylus and a charger Feb 25 23:21:59 GeneralAntilles, my phones don't need 'em :3 Feb 25 23:22:12 Phones aren't mobile computers. Feb 25 23:22:18 Sure they are Feb 25 23:22:38 my N800 came with a power adapter and all I bought for it was a 2GB SD card... Feb 25 23:22:39 where can i find find Feb 25 23:22:45 i've never seen any mobile device that comes with goodies Feb 25 23:23:12 i was actually excited to see the micro fiber screen wipe Feb 25 23:23:16 That's why you steal 'em. Haggle the sellers! Feb 25 23:23:26 acydlord, you got a wipe :O Feb 25 23:23:35 * lcuk returns his 810 Feb 25 23:23:40 poor johnx, didn't even get a stylus >_> Feb 25 23:23:41 well if you buy the n810 at a sprint store they will throw in a travel charger and usb headset if you haggle Feb 25 23:23:45 or buy a used one as a "package deal" on ebay... Feb 25 23:23:47 I use my brother's DS wipe Feb 25 23:23:49 it rocks Feb 25 23:24:03 i use a screenwipe costco gave me for free with a pair of glasses >_> Feb 25 23:24:04 soft and oil removey Feb 25 23:24:11 yeah, i was shocked mine had a screen wipe Feb 25 23:24:13 yeah, glasses wipes work great Feb 25 23:24:31 i havent even attempted to clean mine in a few days Feb 25 23:24:40 it doesnt get "dirty" tho Feb 25 23:24:57 mine doesnt either Feb 25 23:25:03 i use the wipe on my ds and my centro Feb 25 23:25:10 I'm extremely anal, gotta use the stylus Feb 25 23:25:12 i sometimes have to blow bits off it Feb 25 23:25:27 Navi, that will last about 2 weeks Feb 25 23:25:34 even when i finger type mine doesnt get dirty per se Feb 25 23:25:46 i'll notice an odd fingerprint or 2 when the screen is off Feb 25 23:25:47 touching with fingers on this device is very poor Feb 25 23:25:56 thumb typing is just too much faster than stylus typing for you to resist Feb 25 23:25:58 the ui is designed around the stylus Feb 25 23:26:05 apart from kb Feb 25 23:26:16 johnx, I've carried a DS for months, still stylusing, even on Pheonix Wright: Ace Attorney Feb 25 23:26:19 I actually haven't used a stylus with mine much at all since march or so... Feb 25 23:26:32 do you use a nail? Feb 25 23:26:42 hmm i barely use he stylus Feb 25 23:26:43 the Feb 25 23:26:45 sometimes...usually I use my fingernails though :) Feb 25 23:26:50 i rarely ever use the stylus Feb 25 23:27:00 unless i need to scroll in the browser Feb 25 23:27:00 * lcuk has no fingernails Feb 25 23:27:04 * lcuk eats himself Feb 25 23:27:06 O_o Feb 25 23:27:07 sometimes i use my wacom penpartner pen ;) Feb 25 23:27:18 john, not literally Feb 25 23:27:22 somebody knows if there is a problem on gtkmozembed using hildon? Feb 25 23:27:23 :P Feb 25 23:27:26 yeah, kinda figured Feb 25 23:27:26 i have small stubby short nails Feb 25 23:27:44 you really don't need much Feb 25 23:27:54 ive got no big toe nail about 20% of the time Feb 25 23:28:03 it just keeps falling off :S Feb 25 23:28:09 * lcuk should go to a doctor really Feb 25 23:28:28 ( hopes he grossed the chan out ;) ) Feb 25 23:28:36 woo, that was much quicker than punching crap out in xterm with the OSK. Feb 25 23:28:40 <_Shurik_> lcuk: calcium deprivation? Probably due to drinking too much Feb 25 23:29:08 i can understand that reasoning, and you might actually be right Feb 25 23:29:16 solution: eat something with cheese while drinking Feb 25 23:29:21 may I suggest nachos? Feb 25 23:29:21 though, its probably more that i dont have the best diet Feb 25 23:29:24 It's impossible for IRCers to get grossed out over the net. Feb 25 23:29:49 it seems pretty civilised on here, ive not ventured outside tho Feb 25 23:30:02 our collective threshold of gross is just waaaay to high... Feb 25 23:30:04 seriously, i used to be an ircop on a server that had a ascii of goatse as the motd Feb 25 23:30:14 :3 Feb 25 23:30:26 acydlord, wow...you sure know how to pick 'em Feb 25 23:30:55 Navi, s/OSK/vkb/ Feb 25 23:31:03 the thing with crap like that is unfortunately there are always those who havent seen it Feb 25 23:31:20 GeneralAntilles, fag Feb 25 23:31:41 Go with the flow or GTFO! :P Feb 25 23:32:15 GeneralAntilles: s/vkb/internal keyboard/ :P Feb 25 23:32:17 fuck the flow Feb 25 23:32:27 inz: hey whazzup :P Feb 25 23:32:39 s/vkb/letter squares/g :) Feb 25 23:32:50 rm, winter vacation \o/ Feb 25 23:32:55 !! :P Feb 25 23:33:12 im using modest mail and i keep getting this popup that says application email closed Feb 25 23:33:19 even though its not open Feb 25 23:33:40 magicrobotmonkey, modest has been giving me errors like that for the last 3 builds now Feb 25 23:33:43 <_Shurik_> might need to find a bolder mail client Feb 25 23:33:46 inz: want to be the deb packaging assistant for adv-backlight? :P Feb 25 23:34:07 acydlord: so, just ignoring it? Feb 25 23:34:14 pretty much Feb 25 23:34:15 rm, maybe next week Feb 25 23:34:20 lol Feb 25 23:34:20 magicrobotmonkey, acydlord: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2968 Feb 25 23:34:26 been meaning to submit a bug report Feb 25 23:34:27 please confirm/vote Feb 25 23:34:31 rm, i intend not to dig out my laptop this week Feb 25 23:34:33 sweet Feb 25 23:34:34 jku, thx Feb 25 23:35:08 rm, and n810's keyboard isn't all that perfect Feb 25 23:35:26 im getting pretty fast with it Feb 25 23:35:29 rm_you, what help do you need with packaging? Feb 25 23:35:45 except ive been meaning to move pipe and tab to shortcuts Feb 25 23:35:45 ive replaced mine and only use it when i have little to type. Feb 25 23:35:51 apple bluetooth rocks Feb 25 23:36:22 johnx: i need it to build a second deb called "advanced-backlight-icons-lcars.deb" with no executable, just to put icons in the right place Feb 25 23:36:58 hmmm...I probably need to get better at debian packaging anyways Feb 25 23:37:17 woo hoo, mypaint froze mah tabletz Feb 25 23:37:24 also, anyone here good with C memory management? I need someone to take a really close look at my code again, since someone in the forums mentioned it might be leaking Feb 25 23:37:40 navi, gloss or emultion? Feb 25 23:37:45 ? Feb 25 23:37:50 yourpaint Feb 25 23:37:59 what? Feb 25 23:38:25 >_> Feb 25 23:38:26 Haha Feb 25 23:38:55 rm, i can check it for leaks... ...but not this week Feb 25 23:38:57 mmm...wall candy Feb 25 23:40:07 rm - if its not tonnes ill take a peek Feb 25 23:41:02 just leave me a pm with where i can grab it from, ill have a look after my bath Feb 25 23:41:12 heh k, it's fairly short Feb 25 23:44:42 Is there a flat, dark theme for Chinook? Feb 25 23:45:01 Echo doesn't fit that? Feb 25 23:45:37 No Feb 25 23:45:38 gah... i was hoping that would go away after a reflash... >_> Feb 25 23:45:55 it keeps popping up "USB device not supported" Feb 25 23:46:01 ouch Feb 25 23:46:02 when there's nothing plugged in to the USB Feb 25 23:46:23 <_Shurik_> hmm, I saw that too a while back Feb 25 23:46:40 <_Shurik_> try to remove sd Feb 25 23:47:01 to make it stop spamming me for a while i have to do the OTG/HOST toggle thing Feb 25 23:47:09 but then it inevitably comes back Feb 25 23:47:13 whichever one i have selected Feb 25 23:47:18 hrm... SD, you say? Feb 25 23:47:45 <_Shurik_> just throwing it out there Feb 25 23:54:16 package for GPE PIM are avaible for chinook ? Feb 25 23:54:33 yes Feb 26 00:00:09 rm_you: where is it located, please ? I don't find it in maemo.org/maemo's repositories Feb 26 00:00:28 look on gronmayer Feb 26 00:00:34 search for gpe on gronmayer.com/it Feb 26 00:00:44 thanks Feb 26 00:01:08 or google. <_< Feb 26 00:02:53 hmm Feb 26 00:03:09 it seems that I haven't got Maemo Extra Repository -_-' Feb 26 00:03:20 yup, probably just disabled :) Feb 26 00:03:30 GeneralAntilles: yeah, my first solution, but redirect to maemo.org … Feb 26 00:04:03 johnx: yes, I've forgotten to reactivate it, sorry … Feb 26 00:04:09 2nd link on google for "gpe os2008" gives me what you want. Feb 26 00:04:20 no worries :) Feb 26 00:04:47 good to see gpe stuff in extras Feb 26 00:04:57 I didn't realize it got included yet... Feb 26 00:05:30 GeneralAntilles: « gpe pim os2008 » return many bad results, sorry, I didn't use correct key words Feb 26 00:14:37 somebody has some knowledge on gtkembedmoz using hildon? Feb 26 00:21:53 johnx: yeah, included, but not installable for the moment, it seems … Feb 26 00:22:13 ah, that's unfortunate :/ Feb 26 00:22:21 I will try more late Feb 26 00:22:36 (it depends of libsoupe that it can't be installed) Feb 26 00:29:45 i got it to install earlier today Feb 26 00:29:48 gpe-calendar Feb 26 01:05:51 lcuk have you looked into vsync yet? Feb 26 01:23:13 greetings :) Feb 26 01:23:33 hello Feb 26 01:24:28 would maemo run on an ipod touch? Feb 26 01:24:56 nope Feb 26 01:24:59 if so, can anyone direct me to a project site? Feb 26 01:25:27 there are tons of reasons why it's pretty unfeasible, so it probably won't happen at all Feb 26 01:25:57 how about webkit on maemo Feb 26 01:26:31 magicrobotmonkey, I know a couple different projects have been attempting that from different angles Feb 26 01:26:41 sweet Feb 26 01:26:58 nothing that's really a "release" yet though, but I think it might actually get somewhere Feb 26 01:27:18 i was just reading a post about some of the more interesting ui decicions apple made for safari on the iphone Feb 26 01:27:34 which, i guess, you wouldnt really need webkit for Feb 26 01:27:38 there seems to be continued interest webkit-gtk so that should pave the way for various gtk-based webkit browsers Feb 26 01:28:02 yea, i know epiphany is already well on its way to a webkit backend Feb 26 01:28:14 yeah, and midori looks nice as well Feb 26 01:29:03 hmm interesting Feb 26 01:32:37 great nick, but long Feb 26 01:32:48 somewhat frightening Feb 26 01:37:56 heh, everyone's got tab-complete, right? Feb 26 01:38:21 sure Feb 26 02:11:06 magicrobotmonkey, tab competion is fer nubz, real men type out your ridiculously long name. Feb 26 02:11:37 heh its been mine for long enough now that it flows like water from my fingertips Feb 26 02:12:33 Tak: around? Feb 26 02:15:31 pah Feb 26 02:15:39 maemo.org goin' too slow for mah tastes. Feb 26 02:16:42 and it's ridiculously hot in my room Feb 26 02:16:48 80 degrees F outside Feb 26 02:16:57 * johnx is kinda jealous Feb 26 02:17:00 I'm going to turn of the PC for a while >_> Feb 26 02:17:08 johnx, cold? Feb 26 02:17:15 heh Feb 26 02:17:30 not bad now , but it was really cold this morning, just like it will be tonight Feb 26 02:17:30 I was wearing a heavy jacket expecting 30 degree weather like it was yesterday Feb 26 02:17:36 we've had 100+ inches of snow this winter Feb 26 02:17:57 Hot as hell Feb 26 02:18:38 that is some pretty crazy weather you've got Feb 26 02:18:47 Yeah, it is. Feb 26 02:19:09 That's Texas weather for you :P Feb 26 02:20:29 I can't wait until I replace this box with something lighter and cooler Feb 26 02:20:56 I wish my computer produced more heat :| Feb 26 02:21:15 My room is hotter than it is outside at the moment, want to trade? Feb 26 02:21:40 done Feb 26 02:21:49 i'm huddled in front of a woodstove, if that makes you feel any better Feb 26 02:21:49 awesome Feb 26 02:22:02 magicrobotmonkey, toast some marshmellows Feb 26 02:22:27 ...and dcc them to us Feb 26 02:22:32 XD Feb 26 02:22:34 lol Feb 26 02:22:35 heh Feb 26 02:22:39 Nerd humor ftw Feb 26 02:22:47 :D Feb 26 02:30:05 anybody know how to turn off vi's auto-indenting for when i paste code from somewhere else? Feb 26 02:31:00 ahh google Feb 26 02:31:14 :set noautoindent Feb 26 02:31:16 ~"hello google my old friend~ Feb 26 02:31:26 ~"i've come to talk with you again" Feb 26 02:31:26 heh Feb 26 02:31:40 pupnik: set paste Feb 26 02:32:06 Aw Feb 26 02:32:16 thanks, and set nopaste to return Feb 26 02:32:24 yep Feb 26 02:32:27 NuvoPearl has the best font/colors, but also is incredibly ugly Feb 26 02:32:43 it's also possible to do that after the initial paste, but that requires some forgotten vi-magic Feb 26 02:32:52 * truls will try to look it up Feb 26 02:33:06 it's always _after_ pasting you remember you need 'set paste' :) Feb 26 02:34:07 yeah Feb 26 02:34:12 thank god for undo :P Feb 26 02:38:48 hmm when i paste from another sb vi, i get Feb 26 02:38:55 >---framesRendered++; Feb 26 02:39:03 >--- in front of everything Feb 26 02:39:29 even with set paste? Feb 26 02:40:03 yes it is translating the blue >--- markers (some special tab indicator?) to actual >--- characters Feb 26 02:40:20 so maybe i need to turn off the festure that shows those indents Feb 26 02:41:51 or maybe i'll try navi's noautoindent next time Feb 26 02:42:36 ofcourse if you mark the >--- markers, it will also copy that Feb 26 02:42:49 it's part of the text in the terminal, right? Feb 26 02:43:02 scratchbox vi adds them Feb 26 02:43:09 how would the terminal know what part of the text is the application and what is your text Feb 26 02:43:12 yes Feb 26 02:43:16 the source vi, right? Feb 26 02:43:22 not the paste target vi Feb 26 02:43:26 yes Feb 26 02:44:13 :set nolist Feb 26 02:44:28 thank youuu Feb 26 02:44:44 ah, that's what you wanted to know :) Feb 26 02:45:06 i thought you explicitly set list earlier, so you wanted it to be like that, but still ignore it when copying Feb 26 02:45:34 * truls wishes N800 had a usable 3D-chip... *sigh* Feb 26 02:50:50 http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/25/nokias-nanotech-morph-goes-on-display-signals-melting-devices/ Feb 26 02:50:50 >_> Feb 26 02:51:08 seven years?! Feb 26 02:51:12 * rm_you wants Feb 26 02:52:22 in this post apocalyptic future all the UI designers have been killed off... Feb 26 02:52:42 Hehe Feb 26 02:52:54 Can't it be the lawyers and UI spec makers instead? :( Feb 26 02:53:35 or the phone sanitizers? :) Feb 26 02:55:30 rm_you Feb 26 02:56:34 pupnik, not on this device, whats your boggle with vsync Feb 26 03:01:05 ? Feb 26 03:01:10 lcuk: ^_^ Feb 26 03:01:18 lcuk: eventually i will need to deal with vsync from my sdl app Feb 26 03:01:42 getting 58.7 fps and tearing at the moment Feb 26 03:01:44 doesnt tearsync handle it Feb 26 03:01:59 dunno i'll google that Feb 26 03:03:27 cool. i have a zen-like square that changes color Feb 26 03:03:31 i know its in omap, but not sure about sdl - ive got first base test up now. i can get full res font rendering at between 10-15 fps, ive just got the sdl-ttf lib in and am trying to hammer it into place to see if the quality of my homemade bitmap font is any good Feb 26 03:04:03 cool Feb 26 03:04:13 book reading *will* be better for flat books :) Feb 26 03:04:32 hope i dont lose much when i move to an rgb surface Feb 26 03:05:08 that's plenty imo Feb 26 03:05:12 theres a really nice sweet spot speed wise using the XV rendering at 480*480 Feb 26 03:05:38 its like the old amiga resolutions - kind of a halfway house Feb 26 03:06:56 im hoping to get the same adaptability with sdl to let the user choose speed over detail, or have a high detailed static screen transforming automatically into a lower res mobile screen - it may be tough tho because usually the screen flickers when changing res Feb 26 03:07:54 ahhh rm_you, before i forget, i took a look at your code and noticed something glaring to me, but might be totally right for gtk Feb 26 03:08:02 k Feb 26 03:08:20 everytime you change the icon, you call the following: Feb 26 03:08:20 gtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile)); Feb 26 03:08:28 what happens to the original image memory? Feb 26 03:08:35 erk? Feb 26 03:08:37 ie, the image you assigned before Feb 26 03:08:51 not sure how to deal with that Feb 26 03:09:14 i guess i could like.... create the image, set it, and then delete it Feb 26 03:09:17 maybe Feb 26 03:09:17 you should maybe hold a variable with the latest image on, then when you replace it, call gfree or whatever is needed Feb 26 03:09:56 imgnew = gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile); gtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile)); gfree(oldimg); oldimg=newimg; Feb 26 03:10:17 i will change it to that just to be safe Feb 26 03:10:20 (i dont know the specifics, but just reading the code made it stand out Feb 26 03:10:29 alright Feb 26 03:10:37 onthing else is run as often for a leak to matter Feb 26 03:10:52 yeah Feb 26 03:10:55 I have a small 7inch touch screen and I want to run maemo as the main gui Feb 26 03:10:55 ie, if you leak in init or destroy code its not gonna matter Feb 26 03:10:58 possible? Feb 26 03:12:26 * pupnik thanks nokia again for such a fun linux device to hack on Feb 26 03:13:02 i was just saying to the missus the other day, this is the first time in years that i have been coding entirely new stuff Feb 26 03:13:04 solo, maemo seems to mostly target 800x480 screens and not all the applications you see on the N8x0 are open source Feb 26 03:13:10 i havent felt like this since my amiga days Feb 26 03:13:44 other than that, there are debian packages which are enough to get you a basic desktop Feb 26 03:13:56 johnx: 2 days till debian Feb 26 03:14:40 The button adds the image as a child, and when doing so sinks its floating reference. Feb 26 03:14:52 ? Feb 26 03:15:02 ? Feb 26 03:15:02 If you replace it, it removes the old child, releasing the floating reference, and freeing the widget. Feb 26 03:15:08 sooo Feb 26 03:15:12 is it fine as it is then? Feb 26 03:15:13 It's not a memory leak. Feb 26 03:15:31 want to look at the rest of the code briefly? :P Feb 26 03:15:46 No, not really. Feb 26 03:15:53 lolk Feb 26 03:15:56 It's time to go home. Feb 26 03:16:00 thanks tho :P Feb 26 03:20:21 cheers derf Feb 26 03:20:33 Killvideo rendered: 2207 emulated 2207 Feb 26 03:20:34 FPS: 66.60 Feb 26 03:20:37 mwaahaahahaha Feb 26 03:21:32 ... stella :] Feb 26 03:21:51 nah i don't have time for that atm Feb 26 03:22:28 now i have to redo the whole video rendering subsystem. atm i'm just drawing a 320x240 color every frame Feb 26 03:23:40 pupnik wat r u working on? Feb 26 03:23:49 fceu Feb 26 03:24:03 wait...that's fceu rendering at 60+fps ? Feb 26 03:24:19 emulating at 60 fps yes Feb 26 03:24:38 still, that's a massive improvement, right? Feb 26 03:24:44 heyuuge Feb 26 03:24:52 I assume this has something to do with your struggle with the gp2x code? Feb 26 03:24:57 yes :) Feb 26 03:25:02 very awesome Feb 26 03:25:54 woo Feb 26 03:26:22 kid icarus will ride again Feb 26 03:27:04 :] yea improvement Feb 26 03:27:15 johnx: i couldn't get the regular fceu to run without sound dropouts without tweaking settings for every game Feb 26 03:27:25 and then i was getting these intermittent pauses Feb 26 03:27:36 yeah, I was too Feb 26 03:27:58 i get them, its either the os being busy, or the os clocking down Feb 26 03:28:25 ah Feb 26 03:28:35 that would make sense Feb 26 03:28:45 no that's an incorrect assumption Feb 26 03:28:54 some runtests it judders for seconds at a time, others its smooth as a bell, same exe Feb 26 03:29:07 the pauses are within fceu itself - the frameskip code Feb 26 03:29:19 oh you've got a different version lcuk Feb 26 03:29:43 ive got a different everything, im talking running progs in general Feb 26 03:41:39 sooo Feb 26 03:45:03 No. Feb 26 03:46:09 no.? Feb 26 03:46:19 well, you might be able to... Feb 26 03:50:06 ?? Feb 26 03:51:22 well, it sounded like you were about to ask a question ("sooo") and we decided to answer it for you. :) Feb 26 03:56:02 i was trying to break the silence Feb 26 03:57:01 Interrupting an idling session is highly irregular. :P Feb 26 03:57:27 who said i was normal ;] Feb 26 03:59:19 c'mn im 15 and i like atari and kanye Feb 26 04:00:13 Hehe Feb 26 04:00:16 Kanye West makes me laugh. Feb 26 04:00:31 I like his music, but he's absolutely off his rocker otherwise. Feb 26 04:01:43 yea he has a mmajor ego problems Feb 26 04:01:53 Hehe Feb 26 04:01:59 Absolutely out of his damn mind. Feb 26 04:02:13 but i likke stronger, introduced me too a badass band Feb 26 04:04:24 i like daft punk's new cd alive Feb 26 04:07:15 woo, new cd? Feb 26 04:07:19 * truls is so outdated Feb 26 04:07:35 hm, reminds i need to find the new shiina ringo Feb 26 04:08:09 alive , but its like a classic hits mix Feb 26 04:09:50 robot rock is pretty badass Feb 26 04:59:52 any word on when the real version of gvm will be out? Feb 26 05:01:42 When it's ready, I'd guess. Feb 26 05:04:17 has Palm even said whether they're really working towards a release? or what their long term plans or? or pricing? or anything...? Feb 26 05:04:33 er...not palm, but whoever is doing this... Feb 26 05:13:15 Not that I've seen, johnx. Feb 26 05:13:44 Be nice if we could get pixel doubling for the Garnet VM Feb 26 05:14:46 it would be nice if they don't just discontinue it and leave people in the lurch...but I really don't see where they're going with this... Feb 26 05:15:07 I mean, I'm trying to play "follow the money" here, but I just don't see it... Feb 26 05:15:31 Hehe Feb 26 05:15:52 What else does ACCESS do? Feb 26 05:16:24 they're doing a Linux based OS for handhelds I think Feb 26 05:16:41 NetFront, too. Feb 26 05:17:02 maybe they plan to implemement a compatibility layer for maemo or ... maybe they're just using tablet users as a beta environment to test compatibility Feb 26 05:22:14 * johnx is natually pessimistic Feb 26 05:22:37 You're the third person that's said that to me today. Feb 26 05:22:52 other people have said that I'm naturally pessimistic? Feb 26 05:22:56 :P Feb 26 05:23:04 It's creeping me out. Feb 26 05:23:16 Is today The Cynic's National Holiday or something? Feb 26 05:23:32 maybe you're just missing out on the trend Feb 26 05:23:40 why not become pessimistic like us! Feb 26 05:23:56 s/!/?/g Feb 26 05:23:58 johnx meant: why not become pessimistic like us? Feb 26 05:27:41 Oh, I am. Feb 26 05:31:17 hi Feb 26 05:31:23 hello Feb 26 05:39:59 Killvideo rendered: 2976 emulated 2976 Feb 26 05:40:01 FPS: 97.67 Feb 26 05:40:05 0_o Feb 26 05:44:02 so...maybe you don't really need to run the CPU at full speed? Feb 26 05:44:19 i have some nice abstract art on screen now Feb 26 05:44:23 i guess that's progress Feb 26 05:44:29 Hah Feb 26 05:44:37 a frame limiter would do wonders for battery life I'm sure Feb 26 05:49:57 i'm just constantly confused here Feb 26 05:50:04 brain too small Feb 26 05:50:27 pupnik needs his spinach. Feb 26 05:52:49 Trying to do this: "Copy contents of XBuf over to video memory(or whatever needs to be done to make the contents of XBuf visible on screen). Each line is 256 pixels(and bytes) in width, and there can be 240 lines. The pitch for each line is 272 bytes." Feb 26 06:57:49 woohoo i can recognize shapes! Feb 26 07:05:50 do we have kismet available for n810? Feb 26 07:07:58 yes, thought you have to do a little work to make it actually behave (the nokia wireless stuff interferes with it I think) Feb 26 07:08:06 s/thought/though/g Feb 26 07:08:06 johnx meant: yes, though you have to do a little work to make it actually behave (the nokia wireless stuff interferes with it I think) Feb 26 07:09:18 johnx: I noticed there was an mistral repo with kismet. is this the place to download it? Feb 26 07:09:31 and how much work are we talking about ? :) Feb 26 07:12:49 I heard about it on internettablettalk.com/forums but now I can't find the thread Feb 26 07:13:05 I haven't tried it in maemo, but it worked well when booted into debian Feb 26 07:14:39 captured a couple thousand packets over ~40 minutes with no problem, so the hardware and the drivers aren't a problem, just other things trying to control the state of the wireless card Feb 26 07:15:07 chipset, not card...but you get the idea Feb 26 07:16:06 johnx: how goes the debian audio struggle? Feb 26 07:16:17 johnx: my raid just about died again >_< Feb 26 07:16:28 every time this machine reboots, i have to manually put it back together and fsck it Feb 26 07:16:51 also every time this machine reboots, it only gets past initramfs 1/4th of the time Feb 26 07:16:54 >_< Feb 26 07:16:59 i miss a working server Feb 26 07:20:29 rm_you, that doesn't sound too good Feb 26 07:20:36 is this ubuntu? Feb 26 07:20:45 cause they do a lot of strange things to the kernel Feb 26 07:21:05 debian >_> Feb 26 07:21:10 ah O_o Feb 26 07:21:11 ubuntu wouldnt even load my raid Feb 26 07:21:19 well...that's awesome Feb 26 07:21:24 and its not like i have the OS on it... Feb 26 07:21:27 put together a vanilla kernel Feb 26 07:21:33 the OS is installed on a standalone drive, sda1 >_> Feb 26 07:21:51 it just refuses to behave Feb 26 07:21:59 vanilla kernel with not initramfs and just the drivers you need Feb 26 07:22:09 s/with not/without/g Feb 26 07:22:09 johnx meant: vanilla kernel without initramfs and just the drivers you need Feb 26 07:22:26 the sad part is, the raid stuff works fine in the ubuntu livecd... then i install... and it will either: A) not properly form the raid, or B) kernel panic Feb 26 07:22:59 look, try a vanilla kernel Feb 26 07:23:05 (I need to as well) Feb 26 07:23:17 I'm still having irq issues Feb 26 07:25:48 Sounds like fun. Feb 26 07:29:28 * johnx stabs via chipsets Feb 26 07:42:45 >_> Feb 26 07:42:58 Kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt Feb 26 07:43:00 >_< Feb 26 07:43:19 just started happening today Feb 26 07:44:01 why can't my stuff just WORK >_< Feb 26 07:45:19 rm_you: satan's law: anything you do will fail until you give me your soul Feb 26 07:45:19 :P Feb 26 07:45:28 ack Feb 26 07:46:20 apparently it is caused by an MCE failure Feb 26 07:46:28 which usually happens when the CPU or memory is overheating! Feb 26 07:46:31 >_> but it isn't Feb 26 07:47:22 cputemp: 34C Feb 26 07:48:40 Haha Feb 26 07:48:43 Technology hates rm_you. Feb 26 07:49:01 >_< Feb 26 07:49:13 and my windows machine (this one) is starting to run SLOOOOOOOOW Feb 26 07:49:24 ... with a dualcore X2 and 2g of ram, and an 8800GT Feb 26 07:51:00 people w/ such hardware should not complain! Feb 26 07:51:31 ... Feb 26 07:51:50 it takes 2+ *MINUTES* to open notepad Feb 26 07:51:53 >_< Feb 26 07:52:10 and if i click anything in the system tray, it crashes explorer. Feb 26 07:52:13 so bleh Feb 26 07:52:40 i'm going to go cry myself to sleep. see you guys tomorrow >_> Feb 26 07:53:02 * rm_you watches his n800 randomly reboot, as a final insult before going to bed Feb 26 07:53:22 good day, huh? Feb 26 07:53:27 'night rm_you Feb 26 07:53:41 better luck tomorrow... Feb 26 07:54:29 rm_you, you really have terrifyingly bad luck with tech... Feb 26 07:55:09 GeneralAntilles, this is not a new thing for rm_you. He's basically cursed to only be able to help other people get their systems working...but never his own Feb 26 07:55:46 Maybe it's him? :P Feb 26 07:56:26 or some type of aura or an ancient voodoo curse Feb 26 07:56:33 who knows? Feb 26 07:56:58 ask him about his zaurus 5500, or how his last CRT died Feb 26 07:57:48 morning Feb 26 07:57:53 mornin' Feb 26 08:49:37 i need a harem of c hackers :( Feb 26 08:52:50 * BTobotras use to think harem has another meaning Feb 26 08:53:50 damn zelda theme song... Feb 26 08:56:44 BTobotras: there are many strange deviations... Feb 26 08:56:51 hrw: indeed Feb 26 08:58:48 do either of you want to fix up some problems with an emulator for me? Feb 26 08:59:03 Killvideo rendered: 5544 emulated 5544 Feb 26 08:59:04 FPS: 110.68 Feb 26 08:59:06 mwahahahaha Feb 26 09:08:53 heh...you could probably run at 160MHz and still get 30fps Feb 26 09:12:58 on gp2x they get 60fps @ 150mhz Feb 26 09:13:13 we will be a bit slower due to memory and framebuffer non-optimization Feb 26 09:14:20 Morning, all Feb 26 09:32:23 huh, os2008 doesn't ship with netcat Feb 26 09:33:12 morning all Feb 26 09:35:24 OS2008 doesn't ship with a lot of things. Feb 26 09:35:27 Space IS an issue. Feb 26 09:37:02 you could fit a crapload of network utils into one megabyte Feb 26 09:39:02 <_collin_> anybody noticed that the maemo-launcher is eating memory? Feb 26 09:39:37 <_collin_> I had my n810 running for a few days and had to reboot yesterday because maemo-launcher was aat 60% memory Feb 26 09:45:18 bon dia / good morning Feb 26 09:51:58 good morning Feb 26 10:08:57 huhu Feb 26 10:12:26 pupnik: heya, dude Feb 26 10:15:44 What does it mean??? I DON'T KNOW! Feb 26 10:15:47 hiya maddler Feb 26 10:40:31 lcdd: but maemo is not made for network analyzers but for users Feb 26 10:40:31 lcdd: plain minds Feb 26 10:43:41 would not call most users plain minds... the less plain just find a way to get the software they want on the tablet :) Feb 26 10:44:40 Lynoure: each time when I do something on tablets I feel that it was for plain minds Feb 26 10:45:19 lot of 'are you really sure' type of messages, 'this package is not from nokia' in appmanager, lack of software in default repositories etc Feb 26 10:45:39 I think that's just a big corporation at work Feb 26 10:45:46 covering their collective asses Feb 26 10:46:24 hrw: out of those two is explained by Nokia not wanting to be responsible for stuff packaged by other people.. Feb 26 10:46:35 the confirmation dialogs are getting on my nerves as well. especially when switching wifi on and off Feb 26 10:46:54 lcdd: yes, that on is getting to me as well. Feb 26 10:48:33 anyway I skip using appmanager Feb 26 10:54:49 yeah, about 80% of the confirmation dialogs need to be removed Feb 26 10:55:29 the way firefox does things (warn the first time and offer an option to warn everytime) seems reasonable though, as well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 26 10:59:56 2008