**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 10:59:56 2008 Feb 28 11:23:48 good morning Feb 28 11:27:48 hey b0unc3 Feb 28 11:42:08 solmumaha ported/builded Duke Nukem 3d! Very fast :) Discussion at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17315 OS2007 and 2008 deb download at http://pupnik.de/duke3d_1.5.deb Feb 28 11:43:43 ooh :) Feb 28 11:48:56 wow Feb 28 11:48:59 great stuff! Feb 28 11:49:18 *waits for Duke Nukem Forever* Feb 28 11:49:51 it should be out anytime now! Feb 28 11:50:26 Repeat that for years to stay close ot the original ;) Feb 28 11:52:24 pupnik: any place to get duke3d.grp ? =/ hehe Feb 28 11:54:13 buy it? ;) Feb 28 11:57:01 MangoFusion: where can I buy the game these days ? hehe =) Feb 28 11:58:09 3drealms store Feb 28 12:02:14 but it kinda needs a hardware keyboard, you run out of controls with n800 Feb 28 12:02:57 shoulder buttons would help Feb 28 12:03:11 get an iGo? :) Feb 28 12:03:22 maemo.org is down? Feb 28 12:03:37 better not play. US$20,00 the cdrom + 77% of taxes. too expensive. Feb 28 12:03:57 Works fine here, aquatix. Feb 28 12:04:06 weird Feb 28 12:05:23 i got duke nukem free from the publisher :P Feb 28 12:06:34 it should be great with a bluetooth keyboard Feb 28 12:06:46 me is happy with his iGo kb Feb 28 12:07:02 didn't know it would be made of aluminum Feb 28 12:07:21 um, i have apt-get, but apparently nothing in my sources.list Feb 28 12:07:29 what should i put there (specifically to get gdb?) Feb 28 12:08:20 on os2008 there's a subdir with various sources Feb 28 12:08:40 not sure where users are supposed to add em Feb 28 12:08:50 but the repo is Feb 28 12:09:35 on gronmayer :P Feb 28 12:12:18 pupnik_, thanks Feb 28 12:13:08 re Feb 28 12:14:09 does anyone from Nokia know if there are any plans on opensourcing the Metalayer Crawler or at least releasing its specifications/documentation? Feb 28 12:15:58 tony2001: if it's not already open source, qgil's previously said the best way is to raise an issues in bugs.maemo.org explaining why it should be opensource (or at least documented). Feb 28 12:16:18 already done Feb 28 12:16:29 but that doesn't seem to work =| Feb 28 12:16:38 tony can you paste the link to the bug report? Feb 28 12:16:44 wait a sec Feb 28 12:16:49 thanks :) Feb 28 12:17:14 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2836 Feb 28 12:17:31 this one is very annoying (well.. to me) Feb 28 12:17:45 IMO a substitute for the metalayer crawler would be easy to write becaus ethe sqlite db where it stores data is VERY simple Feb 28 12:17:57 tony2001: we canot comment on any plans but I'll try to give this more visibility to this issue Feb 28 12:19:01 anyway it should store metadata together with the data, not on the internal flash Feb 28 12:19:13 Tama^2: I thought about it, but it would be much easier to fix the crawler than to write something similar from scratch Feb 28 12:19:32 Tama^2: good point Feb 28 12:19:38 felipec: thanks in advance Feb 28 12:19:43 hm...can't seem to find gcc, though it says its installed when i try and apt-get Feb 28 12:20:03 anyone an idea why adblock plus won't work on my microb? Feb 28 12:20:32 i installed it, it started working, then i installed some dictionary plugins, uninstalled them again, and now it won't work Feb 28 12:20:38 shows up in the list though Feb 28 12:21:05 It's a gross CPU hog on the tablet, anyway. Feb 28 12:21:09 Better off with hosts/css. Feb 28 12:21:36 hm, maybe Feb 28 12:21:49 but it really helps preserving bandwidth when on gprs Feb 28 12:22:01 That's what the hosts file is for. Feb 28 12:22:03 and it's more finegrained Feb 28 12:22:12 no, not all Feb 28 12:22:30 as you might want to block http://example.com/images/banner/ but not the rest Feb 28 12:22:44 I installed OS2007 and found that the battery consumption problem goes away Feb 28 12:22:56 so it's a regression in OS2008 Feb 28 12:22:57 Meh, the big CPU and memory hit from AdBlock doesn't make finegrained control worth it. Feb 28 12:22:59 :( Feb 28 12:23:17 Tama^2, what's eating your CPU? Feb 28 12:23:19 GeneralAntilles: do you have a good hosts file somewhere? Feb 28 12:23:27 google it, aquatix. . . . Feb 28 12:23:32 lightmediascanner does a great job regarding scanning metadata =) Feb 28 12:23:34 yeah, googling Feb 28 12:23:49 but there are loads of them; just wondering whether you found a good one Feb 28 12:23:58 They're all about the same as far as I can tell. Feb 28 12:23:59 GA: the kernel :P Feb 28 12:24:05 kk Feb 28 12:24:47 with sdcards inserted it drains 10x more power Feb 28 12:24:54 on OS2008 that is Feb 28 12:25:02 it does? Feb 28 12:25:05 no problem with OS2007 Feb 28 12:25:07 and it idles properly with the OS2007 kernel? Feb 28 12:25:09 Interesting. Feb 28 12:25:26 * aquatix checks top Feb 28 12:25:30 well, OS2008 reports to be at the lowest clock setting too Feb 28 12:25:51 Whether the SD cards are idling will have nothing to do with CPU usage, aquatix. Feb 28 12:26:11 metalayer-crawler is on 0.0 here Feb 28 12:26:15 with minisd card Feb 28 12:26:17 nonetheless the battery lasts 25 hours on OS2008 and *many* days on OS2007 Feb 28 12:26:33 aquatix: it's not a metalayer problem Feb 28 12:26:48 ok, i'm missing a part of the conversation then, sorry :) Feb 28 12:26:48 Tama^2, is there an easy way to check if the SD cards go to idle? Feb 28 12:27:03 ah, like that Feb 28 12:27:08 with a modified kernel one can see log lines indicating the power mode Feb 28 12:27:18 power mode '3' should be the lowest Feb 28 12:27:26 I left my alternate in N800 in car for 3 days and it had 7 days idle remaining. Feb 28 12:27:32 and I verified taht in OS2008 it always goes to more '3' Feb 28 12:27:32 Though it only has two SD cards. Feb 28 12:28:14 O.o Feb 28 12:28:24 you mean it had two cards inserted? Feb 28 12:28:31 Yes. Feb 28 12:28:43 One 512MB and one 2GB Feb 28 12:29:01 that is what I get when the cards are *not* inserted Feb 28 12:29:05 :/ Feb 28 12:29:35 Hi ! Feb 28 12:29:41 I will check the logs when it's done with the current rundown test Feb 28 12:29:47 Hi Khertan Feb 28 12:30:02 Tama^2, didn't we decide last time that there may have been some difference between SD and SDHC cards? Feb 28 12:30:27 I do not remember that Feb 28 12:30:35 yours are SDs? Feb 28 12:30:42 Maybe someone can explain me how to use Hildon.TimeEditor ... there is now signal to connect when value is change by user Feb 28 12:30:43 On the alt-N800, yeah. Feb 28 12:30:45 mina are SDHC Feb 28 12:30:58 *mine Feb 28 12:31:02 I haven't bothered to do any idle-rundowns on my primary device Feb 28 12:31:05 Use it too much. ;) Feb 28 12:31:32 ok. Feb 28 12:31:34 oups Feb 28 12:31:37 i noticed that too. the battery was dead after about 24 hours. i have a n800 with 2 2gb sd cards... Feb 28 12:31:42 I am tired of running these tests... I want to start using this tablet! Feb 28 12:31:48 Tama^2, out of interest, have you done the rundown with different cards? Feb 28 12:31:58 Yes I have, GA Feb 28 12:32:21 Huh Feb 28 12:32:29 but all the cards I have are SDHC (except for the nokia one) Feb 28 12:32:37 Somebody take this sharpened stick and go poke fanoush. :P Feb 28 12:33:54 I think I will stick with OS2007 for a while so I can finally use the tablet to listen to music Feb 28 12:34:41 and does not die when leave it sitting there for an afternnon Feb 28 12:34:45 *afternoon Feb 28 12:35:31 No trouble here using OS2008. Feb 28 12:35:35 You should just charge more often. Feb 28 12:37:39 with 2 sdhc cards in and in use it does not last enough to be used as a portable music player Feb 28 12:37:52 at least not with the problem I am experiencing Feb 28 12:37:58 :( Feb 28 12:38:10 * aquatix played music in his car for quite a while with his n810 Feb 28 12:38:22 Have you opened a bug yet? Feb 28 12:38:35 * BTobotras has two SDs of 8G each plugged in. 78% of battery level, about two idle days passed Feb 28 12:38:41 Looks okay Feb 28 12:38:53 it depends on the cards apparently Feb 28 12:39:12 No, I want to have some hard evidence before opening a bug Feb 28 12:39:29 I do not want to get asked the usual silly questions Feb 28 12:39:44 if this or that is running and in which mode Feb 28 12:40:14 something else, do you guys use a screen protector? Feb 28 12:40:31 Yes. Feb 28 12:40:41 Used a 770 for year without one. Feb 28 12:40:47 felipec: thanks Feb 28 12:40:52 I do, I mean... I left on the film it had when I took it out of the box Feb 28 12:40:57 It noticeably scratched. Feb 28 12:41:07 s/It/It is/ Feb 28 12:41:07 GeneralAntilles meant: It is noticeably scratched. Feb 28 12:41:33 * aquatix looks at boxwave.com Feb 28 12:41:49 I recommend the anti-glare Feb 28 12:41:55 myeah Feb 28 12:42:04 i have the anti-glare on my clie Feb 28 12:42:10 Excellent visibility improvement in most lighting conditions. Feb 28 12:42:18 Great texture for stylus and fingers. Feb 28 12:42:18 and a cleartouch on my smartphone Feb 28 12:42:21 like them both Feb 28 12:42:33 Durable, and reapplicable. Feb 28 12:42:43 yups, i love boxwave screen protectors Feb 28 12:42:54 i'll get a cleartouch though Feb 28 12:43:14 i think Feb 28 12:43:34 I wouldn't. Feb 28 12:43:46 Anti-glare really improves outdoor visibility. Feb 28 12:43:55 that's true Feb 28 12:44:00 i love it on my clie Feb 28 12:44:02 hm :) Feb 28 12:44:52 * aquatix cleans both screens and does a comparison Feb 28 12:44:55 I haven't found 770 scratching very easily, given you don't touch it with sand/dirt on your fingers, and keep the freaking cover on when putting it in pocket Feb 28 12:45:02 only few after several years Feb 28 12:45:29 well, i use the tip of my finger nail quite a lot on the screen Feb 28 12:45:39 so i'm more comfortable with a protector Feb 28 12:46:05 Juhaz, regardless, the improvements in visibility and texture are well worth it. Feb 28 12:46:49 GeneralAntilles: can't use it as quick mirror anymore though ;) Feb 28 12:47:05 Compacts are for women. :P Feb 28 12:47:22 spying on the chick behind you ;) Feb 28 12:47:55 fingernails aren't that hard, unless you're sharpening them that shouldn't be an issue, probably safer than with the stylus. Feb 28 12:48:03 but sure, it might be worth a shot for just anti-glare Feb 28 12:48:42 aquarius-: that's what camera is for :) Feb 28 12:49:10 BTobotras: immediately record it ;) Feb 28 12:50:12 * aquatix orders anti-glare Feb 28 12:51:24 it lowers the clarity of the screen a bit though Feb 28 12:51:43 sure, no free lunch. Feb 28 12:51:44 might be annoying in xterminal Feb 28 12:51:47 heheh Feb 28 12:51:59 speaking of which... Feb 28 12:52:03 * aquatix gets some food Feb 28 12:52:07 Not noticeably. Feb 28 12:52:20 GeneralAntilles: a bit, iirc from my clie th55 Feb 28 12:52:30 but indeed, only a bit Feb 28 12:52:49 * aquatix is a fuzz on details though Feb 28 12:53:10 nice tip on boxwave, ordered one right now Feb 28 12:53:23 jeddy3: yeah, they are the best imho Feb 28 12:53:29 so i found a /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-3.4-base.list and it shows a couple of files having to do with documentation but no actual gcc...does gcc-3.4-base not actually install gcc? Feb 28 12:53:33 maemo-mapper users: anyone know if Track>Save... will export Marks to GPX? Feb 28 12:53:34 It mostly just reduces brightness a bit (Boxwave says 5%), it really doesn't affect clarity. Feb 28 12:53:36 * jeddy3 uses screen protector included in package :) Feb 28 12:53:53 and they have screen protectors for almost all things with a touch screen ;) Feb 28 12:53:57 jeddy3, I used that one for 6 months. Feb 28 12:54:01 GeneralAntilles: i meant brightness indeed Feb 28 12:54:03 ...so i'm guessing most real protectors will be an improvement :) Feb 28 12:54:05 It was . . . messy when I took it off. Feb 28 12:54:08 jeddy3: i do too, but it scratches like hell Feb 28 12:54:40 there was a screen protector in the package? Feb 28 12:54:55 only transport foil was with n810 Feb 28 12:54:57 "shipping protector" Feb 28 12:55:07 hrw: ah :) Feb 28 12:55:10 It doubles nicely as a screen protector, though. Feb 28 12:55:22 "remove to ensure proper operation of the touchscreen" IIRC Feb 28 12:55:27 Well, with the earlier units, anyway, they started putting a nasty sticker on them with the newer ones. Feb 28 12:55:28 GeneralAntilles: if you remove all those non-transparent parts from it Feb 28 12:55:35 Also, mine had a little tab on it for removal. Feb 28 12:55:45 aquatix, yes...one sheapo already attached to screen with a plastic thingy to pull it off with...just removed the plastic :) Feb 28 12:56:00 Yeah, the earlier ones just had the easy-to-remove tab, the new ones also have a little 2d barcode sticker. Feb 28 12:56:12 GeneralAntilles, :/ Feb 28 12:57:02 removing the sticker wasn't too difficult Feb 28 12:58:07 iirc, my sony ericsson smartphone shipped with some sticker that stuck so darn well i almost tore off the touch screen Feb 28 12:58:16 while being very careful Feb 28 12:58:20 Tab: http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/Nokia_20N800_20Internet_20Tablet.jpg Feb 28 12:58:31 You can also see the nasty sticker here: http://myskitch.com/markguim/nokia_n810_package_contents-20071123-141936.jpg Feb 28 13:04:04 GeneralAntilles, btw, you have any tips on how to clean the screen before applying, does the boxwave include cleaningtools? Feb 28 13:04:24 jeddy3: yes Feb 28 13:04:30 it even comes with tips Feb 28 13:04:33 Their included lint-free wipe and a little water works just fine. Feb 28 13:04:41 indeed Feb 28 13:04:49 Heck, you don't even really need the water. Feb 28 13:04:49 and apply it in a room with almost no dust Feb 28 13:05:04 they recommend doing it in your shower room after showering :) Feb 28 13:05:09 jeddy3, I posted a full tutorial on how to apply the boxwave protector on ITT somewhere. Feb 28 13:05:15 heh Feb 28 13:05:20 All my little tips are included with it. Feb 28 13:05:30 GeneralAntilles, ah nice :D Feb 28 13:05:31 GeneralAntilles: ITT? Feb 28 13:05:36 internettablettalk.com Feb 28 13:05:38 internettablettalk Feb 28 13:05:40 :) Feb 28 13:05:41 ah yes :) Feb 28 13:05:45 duh ;) Feb 28 13:05:49 I carry a microfiber wipe, takes away all teh dust and oil Feb 28 13:05:59 the "shipping protector" scratches and marks incredibly easily, it can make the device practically unusable versus just taking it off and keeping your device in its cover :P Feb 28 13:06:45 * Robot101 has never had any screen protector on any 770/N800/N810 and has never had any problems with screen durability, even with it in my bag or pocket almost constantly... Feb 28 13:06:55 * Jaffa dittos Feb 28 13:07:04 Robot101, did you use it for 6 months? :P Feb 28 13:07:05 Although I ensure there's never any sharp object which could touch the screen Feb 28 13:07:11 It gets gross, but it wont impact usability. Feb 28 13:08:09 GeneralAntilles: I saw someone who didn't realise it was there, and was showing me like "omg my screen is fucked" and it was scratched and illegible, then we realised and took it off... Feb 28 13:08:22 Jaffa: right, I have a key <-> device pocket exclusion principle :) Feb 28 13:08:35 :) Feb 28 13:08:52 Meh, mine was definitely scratched, but it didn't impact legibility while the backlight was on. Feb 28 13:09:10 Robot101: me too Feb 28 13:09:23 Only stupid or rich people don't. Feb 28 13:09:28 the combination is a surefire way to get your device fscked Feb 28 13:09:43 problem is, i'm short on pockets ;) Feb 28 13:10:00 as i don't want to put things with my phone in one pocket too Feb 28 13:10:07 thankfully the n810 has a case Feb 28 13:10:13 Can maemo mapper plot routes without an internet connection Feb 28 13:10:43 Navi: no it's just a UI for google maps Feb 28 13:10:59 aw :| Feb 28 13:11:02 Navi, you can save routes ahead of time, though. Feb 28 13:14:39 GeneralAntilles: hm, can't seem to find your article on screen protectors at ITT Feb 28 13:15:01 Somebody should stick it on the wiki for me. Feb 28 13:15:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=117031&postcount=18 Feb 28 13:15:59 ah, google search helps Feb 28 13:17:11 I was planning on trying to apply it after a hot shower Feb 28 13:17:18 :3 Feb 28 13:18:17 :) Feb 28 13:18:17 to have a full hildon desktop on a poor hardware, xserver-xorg and hildon-desktop, a meta package of Ubuntu (+ some scripts of running) is sufficient ? Feb 28 13:21:47 I've never been able to pull off screen protectors Feb 28 13:21:50 I get scared :o Feb 28 13:22:15 heheh Feb 28 13:22:36 Navi: those boxwave protectors don't use glue Feb 28 13:23:35 I've read. Feb 28 13:23:59 I've swapped mine to different units a couple times. Feb 28 13:24:13 I'm afraid I'd pull to hard or something :P Feb 28 13:24:27 You'll end up removing and reapplying a lot in the process of getting it on dust-free. Feb 28 13:24:38 Really, there's more danger in applying it than removing it. Feb 28 13:24:46 You can stick the touch-layer to the LCD Feb 28 13:25:03 <_< Feb 28 13:26:01 Brando protectors are easy to put/pull Feb 28 13:26:11 atleast normal ones Feb 28 13:45:07 Does anybody use package manager in OS2008? It can't install anything bigger than 500kB. Everything bigger fails with 'Download failed' error. Feb 28 13:46:47 Ah there's a log, 'MD5SUM failed', cool. Crap wifi. Feb 28 13:46:59 Maybe someone can explain me how to use Hildon.TimeEditor ... there is now signal to connect when value is change by user Feb 28 14:03:46 moving near access point fixed the problem, oh dear Feb 28 14:19:27 grrr Feb 28 14:22:24 graouarr too Feb 28 14:24:02 damn, this is a sweet thing http://www.boxwave.com/products/batteryadapter/index.htm Feb 28 14:24:26 so there really a bug to cause delays in getting a gps fix? Feb 28 14:24:57 n810 internal gps? Feb 28 14:25:07 yeh n810 internal Feb 28 14:25:16 i think it's more like feature than anything Feb 28 14:25:39 the chip inside just can't do better.. but once you have fix it keeps it very well Feb 28 14:25:55 i see....im not used to such a unsensitive receiver Feb 28 14:26:02 just got n810 today and no fix Feb 28 14:26:15 yeah i was shocked too comparing it to my bt-gps dongles Feb 28 14:26:15 can take up to half an hour here Feb 28 14:26:32 takes about 5 minutes if there's perfect visibility Feb 28 14:26:47 not really useful though if you are in hurry and want to find where you are Feb 28 14:26:49 btw in software update it lists update to Map application but this install fails? Feb 28 14:27:11 you need to uninstall your map or update to the final os2008 Feb 28 14:27:20 then you can install the update Feb 28 14:28:08 ah ok great thanks..... im running 2.2007.50-2 is that latest? Feb 28 14:28:28 No, but 51-3 is only a bootloader change. Feb 28 14:28:29 there that should be fixed.. atleast was for me Feb 28 14:28:43 You can force it with red pill if you want. Feb 28 14:28:43 but you can uninstall the map and then get it again Feb 28 14:28:49 I'd just uninstall and reinstall, though. Feb 28 14:29:03 what was changed in the bootloader? Feb 28 14:29:19 aquatix, some units didn't wanna power on after a while Feb 28 14:29:21 ok so just upgrades to bootloader i can live without Feb 28 14:29:24 ah Feb 28 14:29:39 * aquatix reinstalls maps that way too now Feb 28 14:29:42 Unless you're having issues with powering on, there's no reason to update the bootloader. Feb 28 14:29:44 was wondering about it too :) Feb 28 14:29:47 kk Feb 28 14:29:58 getting root now on the thing Feb 28 14:30:01 It's just OMAP timing changes to fix the race issue. Feb 28 14:30:04 i was hoping the new version fixed some bluetooth issues Feb 28 14:30:09 but i guess need to wait bit longer Feb 28 14:30:16 not seen red pill?...im used to flashing new updates Feb 28 14:30:25 zedstar: try not to move while the gps is getting a fix. from my limited experience it seems to make all the difference Feb 28 14:31:21 it is a cloudy today here which doesnt help either :) Feb 28 14:32:54 ok cool that got rid of that map update problem thanks Feb 28 14:33:31 if it wants to update bluez-utils, don't even try :) Feb 28 14:33:52 ok yeh i dont wanna break anything on first day yet lol Feb 28 14:35:55 so what is red pill mode? something to force application installs? Feb 28 14:36:20 developer mode Feb 28 14:36:30 you get to see lots of dev packages in the app manager Feb 28 14:36:41 ah ok i want that then Feb 28 14:37:11 zedstar: maybe of interest too - http://devnoob.blogspot.com/2008/01/root-access-on-nokia-n810.html Feb 28 14:37:23 Well, sorta, it shows packages outside of User, anyway. Feb 28 14:37:45 Urgh Feb 28 14:37:51 That website kills my eyes. Feb 28 14:38:12 it reminds me of mda monitors Feb 28 14:38:25 easyroot is the best way to get root. Feb 28 14:38:29 ah ok done it i notice a couple of extra things in software update Feb 28 14:39:06 also you should subscribe to some extra repos, good way to get them is surf with the n810 to http://www.gronmayer.com/it Feb 28 14:39:19 the Operating System update is that just bootloader upgrades? Feb 28 14:39:23 thanks tontsa Feb 28 14:39:32 No. Feb 28 14:39:39 It's a meta package for other stuff. Feb 28 14:39:44 Don't worry about it and don't install it. Feb 28 14:39:49 ok Feb 28 14:40:18 root i got easily already by just installing openssh and ssh root@localhost Feb 28 14:40:30 lol Feb 28 14:40:34 Easy root is easier. ;) Feb 28 14:40:35 ah, that's possible too :) Feb 28 14:40:36 "root" Feb 28 14:40:38 zedstar: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/22/resolving-power-on-drama/ has instructions how to install only bootloader Feb 28 14:40:56 i'm still doing sudo gainroot cause i was lazy to reinstall openssh Feb 28 14:40:59 zedstar, there's no point in installing the bootloader if you don't have the poweron issue. Feb 28 14:41:07 the one version early os2008 didn't ask for root password Feb 28 14:41:24 thanks hrw Feb 28 14:41:35 hm, i have that problem now and then i think Feb 28 14:41:35 yeh not gonna update bootloader i dont like touching those Feb 28 14:41:40 that power on thing Feb 28 14:45:53 tontsa > more a test mode :) Feb 28 14:45:55 those 2 buttons embedded to the side of the screen on the left....they seem a bit sticky...anyone else like that? Feb 28 14:46:01 oups ... Feb 28 14:46:14 zedstar: a bit, yeah Feb 28 14:46:46 hrw: that bin, can i download that from nokia? Feb 28 14:47:02 or is that the complete flash? Feb 28 14:47:32 its in flash image Feb 28 14:48:00 aquatix: grab image, unpack (using flasher), flash needed parts Feb 28 14:48:21 first comment says ``Actually you don’t need to unpack the image, you can also use flasher –fiasco RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin –flash-only=nolo –flash'' Feb 28 14:48:27 so that's nice Feb 28 14:48:33 ah right Feb 28 14:48:56 thanks for info...gonna go see if i can crank up the gps outside for a fix Feb 28 14:51:51 Maybe someone can explain me how to use Hildon.TimeEditor ... there is now signal to connect when value is change by user Feb 28 14:51:53 ? Feb 28 15:15:47 Maybe someone can explain me how to use Hildon.TimeEditor ... there is now signal to connect when value is change by user ? Feb 28 15:21:22 Khertan.question.timeout = 1H Feb 28 15:22:08 Khertan: I think that would be a sensible time to wait for people in other timezones to log-in and see your question :) Feb 28 15:42:45 felipec > yes ... and my answer is about question.answer.timeout = 2 :) Feb 28 16:04:21 hi Feb 28 16:04:36 are there problems with the repos right now ? Feb 28 16:05:01 Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages Feb 28 16:38:45 morning #maemo Feb 28 16:39:55 Anyone else noticed that the screen rotation hack kill Feb 28 16:40:57 the nokia media server? Feb 28 16:41:19 what screen rotation hack? Feb 28 16:42:37 ...and that the vkbis viirtually unusable. Feb 28 16:42:38 oh enlightenment + xrandr commands Feb 28 16:43:17 wwp: xatly. Feb 28 16:43:31 just saw a video about that Feb 28 16:43:51 wwp: except under maemo Feb 28 16:43:54 nice but if requires apps to support rotation (and the vertical layout) Feb 28 16:44:00 yeah Feb 28 16:44:41 It's a hack, what did you expect, Screaming? :P Feb 28 16:45:21 wwp: Yep, but the media server one is interesting Feb 28 16:46:50 wwp: It says the files are corrupt with the rotation enabled kernel but not with the nokia one. Feb 28 16:47:43 While mplayer accepts it either way. Feb 28 16:49:12 TeeHee! Someone in Nokia is making VERY silly assumptions. Feb 28 16:57:23 The only kernel modification is to add a field on an internal struct to recall which way round it is and to send the right things to the LCD chip AFAICT. Media-server is simply being crazy, saying "wibble-wibble" for no reason cos it goes wrong even when NOT rotated. Feb 28 17:00:54 Good morning. Feb 28 17:02:30 The vkb problem is probably fixable, it simply needs a rotated .vkb file. Media-server is more irrational. Maybe a nokian can find some reason, I assume media-server is closed isn't it? Feb 28 17:05:35 No nokians around then? Feb 28 17:06:13 * Screaming goes off in a huff Feb 28 17:06:20 patience is a virtue Feb 28 17:06:32 but I doubt any nokians are going to show up and be like, "oh yes let's fix our app for this total hack" Feb 28 17:06:36 * Screaming waits Feb 28 17:07:50 I guess, but often testing things at their lmits shows up incipient problems. Feb 28 17:08:02 s/lm/lim Feb 28 17:10:24 elb: Damn nice hack! Reading 24 lines of irc instead of 5 Feb 28 17:11:15 elb: hack? :) Feb 28 17:12:03 gtg I'll watch the log see if anyone picks up on the prodding. Feb 28 17:12:28 Robot101: it all depends on perspective :-) Feb 28 17:12:43 Robot101: if it requires a modified kernel etc., to Nokia it's going to be a hack Feb 28 17:12:43 what is the hack? Feb 28 17:12:54 Robot101: oh, xrandr support Feb 28 17:13:14 zomghacx Feb 28 17:13:57 :) Feb 28 17:14:50 gah Feb 28 17:14:55 has anyone managed to find n800 styluses in North america for a reasonable price? Feb 28 17:15:06 the N800 keeps thinkin' my thumb is a stylus :P Feb 28 17:15:58 * doc|work must have a fat thumb :( Feb 28 17:16:06 * Navi has a skinny thumb Feb 28 17:16:20 nah, you really do need a stylus, and having one not eaten by a dog is usually the best option :o Feb 28 17:16:29 s/not/ Feb 28 17:16:40 er, ignore that s/ Feb 28 17:16:43 * doc|work sleepy Feb 28 17:17:39 heh Feb 28 17:24:05 argh, why the fuck do they make it so hard to get replacement styluses Feb 28 17:29:15