**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 10 09:59:57 2008 Mar 10 10:02:04 but i guess you will get some vista-lookalike, only with the bloat they promised earlier on Mar 10 12:22:30 why is internal mmc2 on the n810 vfat anyway... Mar 10 12:22:51 compatibility with windows hosts using it as a storage device id assume Mar 10 12:22:53 so it can be read by windows over usb? Mar 10 12:22:58 oh duh. thanks Mar 10 12:23:00 jaska_: my guess as well Mar 10 12:23:09 i forgot people use windows Mar 10 12:23:52 yeah, over time I slowly end up with all my usb sticks formatted ext2/3, then I need to format vfat them before I can bring them over to a friend's house... Mar 10 12:27:14 What happens to SD cards to make them unreadable? Not just the filesystem being knackered as fsck.vfat is not interested, and the fdisk shows the partition is present Mar 10 12:27:53 lardman: N810? Mar 10 12:28:02 tell fsck.vfat to check anyways and be verbose Mar 10 12:28:04 lardman: Use one of those photo retrieval applications on the SD card.. Mar 10 12:28:06 I bet it finds problems Mar 10 12:28:16 derf: no, digital camera actually, but I seem to remember people having troubles with the N800 Mar 10 12:28:31 Well, on the N800 the kernel driver sucked big time. Mar 10 12:28:47 sd drivers on mobile linux have always seemed kind ... off Mar 10 12:28:48 X-Fade: yeah, recovered some blobs of data but they are not all there Mar 10 12:29:03 X-Fade: the blobs are only partial Mar 10 12:29:08 dd that thing and start wachking on it with a hex editor I guess :/ Mar 10 12:29:09 johnx: on handhelds in general i think Mar 10 12:29:19 lardman: Before you do anything. dd the entrire partition to a file.. Mar 10 12:29:25 john_: yeah Mar 10 12:29:29 Ehm, yeah.. slow.. Mar 10 12:29:31 X-Fade: yep I've done that Mar 10 12:29:40 When using dd, do I need to set the bs parameter? Mar 10 12:30:32 it's my understanding that you only need to start setting parameters on dd if your source has errors. Can someone confirm that? Mar 10 12:30:47 i've heard that too... conv,sync etc Mar 10 12:30:50 * johnx doesn't like to give bad advice when data is at stake... Mar 10 12:31:01 Setting block size can speed up the copy.. Mar 10 12:31:42 but nothing other than that? Mar 10 12:32:10 you start needing weird things if you have I/O errors on the source Mar 10 12:32:44 Well, by default dd will skip blocks it can't read... but it doesn't write anything in their place. Mar 10 12:32:45 but otherwise I've always just done dd if=/dev/hda1 of=filesystem.img and had no problems Mar 10 12:33:08 So if you miss one block in the middle, nothing after it is where it's supposed to be. Mar 10 12:33:16 ok, I did as johnx says Mar 10 12:33:21 Hence conv, sync, etc. Mar 10 12:33:23 If there are io errors, there is a program called ddrescue that handles it better if there are errors. Mar 10 12:33:38 * lardman googles that one Mar 10 12:33:57 I bet you just have a corrupted fs though Mar 10 12:34:10 shouldn't fsck fix that though? Mar 10 12:34:44 use fsck.vfat and force it to check and be verbose Mar 10 12:34:56 the fs might be *marked* clean, but not really be clean Mar 10 12:35:26 no, fsck actually fails as it can't read the device Mar 10 12:35:33 aaaah Mar 10 12:35:52 when you said "fsck has no interest" I thought you mean it didn't want to check because it thought the fs was clean :) Mar 10 12:35:58 I used sdrecover and it recovers the start of each jpeg Mar 10 12:36:15 johnx: sorry, I should have been specific Mar 10 12:36:22 what is fsck giving you for an error and what is in your dmesg Mar 10 12:36:23 ? Mar 10 12:36:38 and how much do you care about the contents? Mar 10 12:36:45 I've not got the box in front of me atm, will copy data down at lunch Mar 10 12:36:50 photos from my holiday Mar 10 12:37:54 how big is the card? Mar 10 12:37:57 2Gb Mar 10 12:38:16 though my dd only returned ~915Mb Mar 10 12:38:21 ugh Mar 10 12:38:43 card wasn't full though Mar 10 12:38:57 it should give you a full bit for bit copy Mar 10 12:39:12 yeah, that's what I feared Mar 10 12:39:37 dd isn't "clever" if it sees a 1 in the source it prints a 1 in the output, then slides over to the next bit Mar 10 12:40:19 so dd printed a scary error message? Mar 10 12:40:37 no, dd just ran and produced less data than I expected Mar 10 12:40:50 hmm...very odd Mar 10 12:41:02 dmesg? Mar 10 12:41:04 * zuh did a paintjob: http://iki.fi/zuh/N800-pimp3d.jpg Mar 10 12:41:09 you ran it against the partition or the device? Mar 10 12:41:13 device Mar 10 12:41:31 zuh, that's pretty slick actually :D Mar 10 12:41:44 hang fire for 15min and I'll head home then I can actually answer with the data in front of me Mar 10 12:41:50 johnx: Beats the dull gray at least :) Mar 10 12:42:01 sure, I'll be on for a bit at least Mar 10 12:42:02 zuh: looks pretty good :) Mar 10 12:42:12 johnx: cheers Mar 10 12:42:18 only the little holes aren't black? Mar 10 12:43:05 Those are a bit problematic, and I don't like them currently. Some of them actually filled up, but since most didn't I just poked them open. Mar 10 12:43:20 hm, that sucks indeed Mar 10 12:43:29 spray paint? Mar 10 12:43:32 Yeah Mar 10 12:44:10 nice Mar 10 12:44:21 * aquatix is rather happy with the default case of his n810 ;) Mar 10 12:44:58 like the emperor with his clothes? Mar 10 12:45:15 I don't really use the speakers so I wouldn't mind filling them up, but then again, I think that's the only method of any extenral cooling so dunno if it would have a negative effect on lifespan... Mar 10 12:45:47 zuh: good point Mar 10 12:46:03 wow looks nice zuh Mar 10 12:46:10 cooling is also done through the plastic itself i guess, but having some airholes will be handy ;) Mar 10 12:46:13 real paint or gimp'd? Mar 10 12:46:32 pupnik: spray paint Mar 10 12:46:32 It's real Mar 10 12:46:35 sorry aquatix - thought you were talking about a protective case Mar 10 12:46:50 ah :) Mar 10 12:46:59 nah, have the default sleeve Mar 10 12:47:00 pupnik: You can look closely for my crappy edge finishes to verify ;) Mar 10 12:47:05 it's quite nice too ;) Mar 10 12:47:19 zuh: hey, it's better than i would manage ;) Mar 10 12:50:07 At least now my device is very unlikely to be mistaken to the ones at the office Mar 10 12:52:19 Morning. Mar 10 12:53:03 mornin' Mar 10 12:59:44 zuh: i'm the only one with an n810 in a wide area :) Mar 10 13:01:06 aquatix, same here with my n800 :) Mar 10 13:11:35 johnx: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d40ab9806 is dmesg output when I insert the SD card Mar 10 13:11:52 ick Mar 10 13:12:05 yeah Mar 10 13:12:21 whoa Mar 10 13:12:32 well, definitely fire ddrescue at it pronto Mar 10 13:12:34 hm, Harware Error? Mar 10 13:13:21 Zapped by airport security? :) Mar 10 13:13:58 I wish I knew about ddrescue the last time I did data retrieval... Mar 10 13:14:33 X-Fade: no, just went tits up while I was using the camera Mar 10 13:14:51 Ouch. Mar 10 13:15:19 hang on...is it just those 2 sectors O_o Mar 10 13:15:51 ...and maybe a borked partition table or something? Mar 10 13:15:57 johnx: yes, looks like it Mar 10 13:16:11 anyways, image the whole card with ddrescue Mar 10 13:16:34 ok, just looking at the help Mar 10 13:19:18 well it's running and hasn't reported any errors, yet... Mar 10 13:19:56 well it will when it gets to 227 and 228, then hopefully it will get the rest of the device Mar 10 13:20:01 that would be *really neat* Mar 10 13:20:09 here come the errors Mar 10 13:20:55 first 724942 kB ok, all errors from here on in from the looks of it Mar 10 13:21:10 give it time Mar 10 13:22:04 what does it do, keep trying to read the erroneous 'sectors'? Mar 10 13:22:25 I think it skips forward when it hits errors, then runs in reverse Mar 10 13:22:40 the strategy probably makes more sense on a magnetic disk...but worth a shot Mar 10 13:23:01 out of curiosity, do you remember if the camera was running low on batteries when the card died? Mar 10 13:23:04 ok, I've got ~20Mb of errors atm, presumably it might skip past this error region and continue Mar 10 13:23:19 johnx: low but not flat iirc Mar 10 13:23:29 interesting Mar 10 13:24:12 the N800 SDHC killing bug had to do with dropping voltage to cards while they were still writing Mar 10 13:24:50 yep, that was the bit I remembered :( Mar 10 13:25:50 johnx: that bug has been fixed? Mar 10 13:25:54 unfortunately it looks like the sector errors stretch further on: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d340fdde1 Mar 10 13:25:56 a loooong time ago Mar 10 13:26:01 ah, good ;) Mar 10 13:26:20 it seems to be safe to shutdown mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler Mar 10 13:28:08 when dd(rescue) reads a given sector, is that a physical sector, or is there a wear levelling layer in between? Mar 10 13:28:46 IIRC, the wear leveling happens inside the SD card Mar 10 13:29:38 so that sector number is whatever the card is telling the controller, which then tells the Linux sd driver Mar 10 13:29:53 ok, so I've got ~700Mb recovered at the beginning, would be be reasonable to assume that the photos would be stored at the start of the disk to begin with (ignoring partition tables, etc. at the start) Mar 10 13:30:16 i.e. stored at the start of the partition Mar 10 13:30:35 * johnx reads up on FAT FS layout again Mar 10 13:30:57 I *think* that was the situation the last time I did this Mar 10 13:39:52 what is required to be installed on OS2007 for N800, for pygst modules? Mar 10 13:40:58 lardman, yeah stuff is probably close to the beginning Mar 10 13:41:14 lardman, how goes it? Mar 10 13:41:14 * lardman crosses fingers Mar 10 13:41:27 still going, 158MB error size now Mar 10 13:41:49 "rescued: 724942 kB, errsize: 159 MB", so a while to go yet Mar 10 13:42:31 * lardman wonders why Google is so slow Mar 10 13:43:23 alright. I need to catch some sleep. I'll be around tomorrow though. When working on this remember to keep an *absolutely pristine* image and then copy that to somewhere before making changes / running tools Mar 10 13:43:38 if you don't get anywhere with it I can look at it tomorrow Mar 10 13:43:50 thanks, will let you know how I get on Mar 10 13:43:56 good luck Mar 10 13:43:59 'night Mar 10 13:44:01 cheers :) night Mar 10 14:05:38 anythings needs to be installed for this error? "/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libstivorbis.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"? Mar 10 14:05:45 OS2007 Mar 10 14:39:10 \help Mar 10 14:59:26 does anyhere have a publisher id for symbian signed????????????? if u do and want $20 pm me Mar 10 15:00:38 and you're asking in #maemo? Mar 10 15:01:01 hahahaha Mar 10 15:07:05 you can tell he's serious by all the question marks Mar 10 15:07:16 man im asking everywhere Mar 10 15:07:20 getting desprate Mar 10 15:07:58 you know they sell those legally, right? Mar 10 15:08:16 I'm not sure why anyone who legally purchased one would want to violate their terms of service for a measly $20 Mar 10 15:09:31 elb, if they're equally desperate? :-) Mar 10 15:09:44 heh Mar 10 15:47:19 Hi/Ciao! Mar 10 16:48:49 hi Mar 10 17:02:50 would somebody know if the usb port in N810 is powered? Mar 10 17:03:00 only 100mA Mar 10 17:03:43 is it good for anything? Mar 10 17:03:47 yes Mar 10 17:04:03 keyboard, mouse, maybe some flash memory Mar 10 17:04:25 hmm Mar 10 17:09:30 so, if I have a rfid reader connected to the usb port with operational power of 120mA, it probably won't work? Mar 10 17:09:41 hard to tell but... Mar 10 17:09:43 it may Mar 10 17:09:52 but will be out of spec Mar 10 17:10:22 it's maybe better to look for other options Mar 10 17:18:20 Mikho: what are you using for an rfid reader? Mar 10 17:18:48 that's a neat project! Mar 10 17:19:00 rfid reader on tablet++ Mar 10 17:19:09 pf, rfid is evil Mar 10 17:19:10 :) Mar 10 17:19:41 which is why it's cool to be able to detect em Mar 10 17:19:58 and hack'em ? Mar 10 17:20:10 rfid isn't evil, it's more like chaotic neutral Mar 10 17:20:13 but that will require much more than usb can provide Mar 10 17:20:14 :) Mar 10 17:20:39 mikho: imo it's more lawfull evil Mar 10 17:20:40 :) Mar 10 17:20:49 there are lots of things you can do with an rfid reader Mar 10 17:20:57 ie. order used for gains :> Mar 10 17:21:01 yeah Mar 10 17:21:03 i know Mar 10 17:21:26 but still, in the end it will be used by B.B. people Mar 10 17:21:43 I found a stylus shaped bluetooth rfid-reader, but it was something like 600$ Mar 10 17:21:51 lol Mar 10 17:22:05 -> out of the question Mar 10 17:22:58 * KotCzarny looks at the pentium-m@600mhz running 50fps euae demos (at 40% cpu idle) Mar 10 17:23:12 just build an rfid zapper Mar 10 17:23:21 pupnik: btw. have you tried kick2.0 ? Mar 10 17:23:34 in euae i get lower cpu usage Mar 10 17:23:34 yes all kicks work for me with the 'run first' method Mar 10 17:23:45 hmm Mar 10 17:23:48 ty Mar 10 17:23:55 but i may be wrong Mar 10 17:24:05 lets work on functionality Mar 10 17:24:10 optimization later Mar 10 17:42:11 someone knows the operator of infobot, seen last few days on #maemo? Mar 10 17:59:59 i keep forgetting who runs infobot Mar 10 18:01:16 TimRiker Mar 10 18:01:31 who we can all thank for being responsible enough to put it in the bot's WHOIS Mar 10 18:04:39 for the previous convo, rfid isnt evil, it is just being used for evil Mar 10 18:11:03 jott: around? Mar 10 18:11:32 i want someone like inz, fanoush, ssvb, glass, derf to tell me I can compile an sdl app with gcc 4.3 and get better optimization :() Mar 10 18:11:54 * Cymor is away: afk Mar 10 18:21:37 pup, whether it is sdl or not isnt the point (unless you rebuild sdl with current favorite opts), its whether your code can be optimised by gcc Mar 10 18:22:15 actually, do you get any benefit optimizing sdl? Mar 10 18:22:28 or is the maemo build already nice Mar 10 18:24:49 lcuk_3: there are some functions that ssvb has investigated which could be improved Mar 10 18:25:06 however i'm more interested in the profiler and optimizations available in 4.2-4.3 Mar 10 18:25:08 you mean sdl functions? or within uae Mar 10 18:25:21 no sdl is just something that has to be linked against Mar 10 18:25:37 i mean the core app Mar 10 18:25:45 unless you find optimised versions of the sdl timewasters Mar 10 18:26:03 eventually everything can bypass sdl Mar 10 18:26:07 for video updates Mar 10 18:26:29 are you running 32-64 color (5/6plane) games or are you trying to get HAM mode working? Mar 10 18:26:38 the only reason i mention it is to indicate that these apps do not link to hildon stuff, so if there are incompatibilities due to gcc 4.3, they would not affect these games Mar 10 18:26:58 32-64 Mar 10 18:26:59 good point Mar 10 18:27:23 its a shame the LCD doesnt have a 256 color palette mode Mar 10 18:27:29 yes Mar 10 18:27:49 you are wasting so much time moving the data around expanding from a small subset into an expanse of data Mar 10 18:29:20 this graphics conversion is something the SIMD instructions could possibly handle - or of course you could offload it all to the dsp Mar 10 18:30:17 will bbl anyways Mar 10 18:30:32 k cheers Mar 10 18:33:34 :) Mar 10 18:34:00 pupnik: if you get gcc 4.x running and outputting running code it will Mar 10 18:34:02 probably Mar 10 18:34:04 :) Mar 10 18:57:12 zoran: what's the issue? Mar 10 18:57:14 ~owner Mar 10 18:57:15 TimRiker is my owner Mar 10 18:57:25 ~wantnick infobot Mar 10 18:58:20 is infobot usable to train for faqs TimRiker ? Mar 10 18:58:41 "Help me infobot, you're my only hope" Mar 10 18:59:19 pupnik: sure. Mar 10 18:59:46 the bot is in a ton of channels, so there's already a ton of factoids. Mar 10 18:59:49 ~status Mar 10 18:59:49 Since Sun Mar 9 03:58:25 2008, there have been 7 modifications, 174 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 80 commands. I have been awake for 1d 15h 1m 24s this session, and currently reference 114495 factoids. I'm using about 18788 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2953.19/121.49 child 0.02/0.07 Mar 10 19:01:12 !factoid gronmayer Mar 10 19:01:42 pupnik: just tested uae4all seems to run with gcc 4.2.1 Mar 10 19:01:52 help woo! Mar 10 19:01:58 -help :) Mar 10 19:03:15 jott: have you built it or installed binaries? Mar 10 19:03:46 its the cs toolchain installed from jhakalas debs Mar 10 19:05:56 elou :) Mar 10 19:12:35 pupnik: infobot uses ~ for addressing. Mar 10 19:12:46 ~gronmayer Mar 10 19:12:54 ~seen pupnik Mar 10 19:12:57 pupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 10m 59s, last said: '-help :)'. Mar 10 19:14:35 ty Mar 10 19:15:52 ~gronmayer Mar 10 19:15:53 hmm... gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it Mar 10 19:16:03 great Mar 10 19:17:00 ~pupnik Mar 10 19:17:01 hmm... pupnik is testing infobot Mar 10 19:17:03 ;) Mar 10 19:17:54 ~seen infobot Mar 10 19:17:56 infobot is currently on #cwxtesting #utos #maemo #fredlug #opensimpad.org #android #asterisk-bugs # #wowhead #infobot #lugot #mseide #wowwiki, last said: 'TimRiker meant: fixing it now to not msg if there was no edit. Cool!'. Mar 10 19:18:10 stalking! Mar 10 19:19:36 15:19:33 up 95 days, 9:25, load average: 0.21, 0.04, 0.01 Mar 10 19:19:44 not bad for a wrt54g ;) Mar 10 19:20:57 is there any way to check the hildon-desktop output when loading an applet on the device? (It works in scratchbox) Mar 10 19:21:57 lmoura: run it from xterm Mar 10 19:22:17 and make sure you rebuilt it totally for arm Mar 10 19:23:12 * lcuk_3 doesnt ever build for x86 any more and tests directly on device Mar 10 19:23:22 yup Mar 10 19:23:23 :) Mar 10 19:23:27 sshfs rulez Mar 10 19:23:32 it's a python plugin :) Mar 10 19:23:46 I'm trying to see if the loader is working fine Mar 10 19:23:56 Killvideo rendered: 3164 emulated 3164 Mar 10 19:23:57 FPS: 92.87 Mar 10 19:24:25 sound still broken Mar 10 19:26:03 [26080.328125] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Mar 10 19:26:04 [26084.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Mar 10 19:26:25 powersaving debug, safe to ignore Mar 10 19:26:27 :) Mar 10 19:27:06 ok Mar 10 19:28:14 WOOHOOOOOO got sound! Mar 10 19:28:17 * pupnik dances Mar 10 19:28:38 what app? Mar 10 19:28:42 fceu2 Mar 10 19:28:47 * lcuk_3 bangs on pupniks wall - "TURN THAT BLOODY MUSIC DOWN!" Mar 10 19:28:51 what's that? Mar 10 19:28:56 hehehe "bleep bleep" Mar 10 19:29:01 lol Mar 10 19:29:02 the new NES emulator Mar 10 19:29:05 :) Mar 10 19:29:25 sooo happy Mar 10 19:29:44 * jott hands pupnik an un-mute button Mar 10 19:30:06 its quite easy to mix c++ with regular c isnt it - as in, i can keep the core code i have written so far in std c and just build an object model up for other stuff in c++ Mar 10 19:30:20 :) Mar 10 19:33:22 lcuk_3: you may have to use the extern "c" keyword Mar 10 19:34:04 yer, i can do a merry little dance around all my code, but i dont wanna have to rewrite all of it :) i havent touched ++ for a while but no doubt it will come flooding backl Mar 10 19:35:19 * jott demangles lcuk_3 Mar 10 19:35:36 can'ttouchthis Mar 10 19:36:38 well the c part has been easy - most of the stuff is single shot - 1 video card, one canvass, 1 book etc. now i want to build the ui and need mutliple elements and that fits the class model better Mar 10 19:36:53 s/canvass/canvas/ :) Mar 10 19:37:13 * lcuk_3 hits jott on head with a heavy dictionary Mar 10 19:37:27 canv-ass Mar 10 19:37:27 ;) Mar 10 19:41:34 if i spell it with one s tho it looks wrong Mar 10 19:41:48 then you need to look at it more Mar 10 19:42:00 write on you keyboard or monitor Mar 10 19:42:11 yes, even the dictionary looks wrong Mar 10 19:42:12 it's called photographic memory Mar 10 19:42:16 mayybe i should rewrite wikipedia Mar 10 19:42:40 alone against nazipedians? Mar 10 19:42:41 :> Mar 10 19:51:45 does anybody knows about some kind of unix socket sniffer or proxy or whatever so I can monitor it's data flow? Mar 10 19:51:59 <_Shurik_> tcodump? Mar 10 19:52:16 <_Shurik_> tcpdump I mean Mar 10 19:53:15 hm, good idea Mar 10 19:53:37 hah perfect sound sync ... 44khz Mar 10 19:54:03 <_Shurik_> what? you finaly got Crysis running on 770???? Mar 10 19:54:17 hi _Shurik_ Mar 10 19:54:26 <_Shurik_> heya mega porter :) Mar 10 19:54:28 oop i just heard a glitch! Mar 10 19:54:43 and how can this be? Mar 10 19:54:53 ... for he is the Quisatz Haderach! Mar 10 19:55:11 ynezz: tcpflow is also sometimes handy Mar 10 19:57:50 I thought that was Kwisatz Mar 10 19:58:02 depends on translation Mar 10 19:58:02 ;) Mar 10 19:58:43 I read it in the original English ;-) Mar 10 20:02:11 Nokia-N810-51-3:~# tcpdump -w gps_driver_ctrl_socket.tcpdump.txt -i /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl -X Mar 10 20:02:15 tcpdump: SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device Mar 10 20:02:21 hmpf, it don't work Mar 10 20:02:41 http://de.fishki.net/picsw/032008/07/law_and_order/002_law_and_order.jpg Mar 10 20:02:41 ;) Mar 10 20:02:52 'doesn't' Mar 10 20:03:17 ok :) Mar 10 20:03:26 ynezz: i thinkk cat could work? Mar 10 20:03:38 nope Mar 10 20:03:42 dd? Mar 10 20:03:44 it's not regular file Mar 10 20:03:57 <_Shurik_> chitaem fishki.net? Mar 10 20:04:06 czitajem Mar 10 20:09:21 'lo :) Mar 10 20:09:32 hi spirytusik Mar 10 20:09:38 hey hey Cat :) Mar 10 20:09:50 hey pupnik Mar 10 20:10:49 KotCzarny: uae working realy nice now :) a lot of stuff is useable or watchable, definitely listenable :) Mar 10 20:10:57 :) Mar 10 20:11:10 new build? Mar 10 20:11:28 pupnik: nope :) I suppose it is the same still, i did not update :) Mar 10 20:11:49 pupnik: but it is a fun to use already :) Mar 10 20:11:57 yes, but it must get better Mar 10 20:11:59 pupnik: been watching demos all the way to and from work :) Mar 10 20:12:04 heheh Mar 10 20:12:07 pupnik: time and patience I suppose :) Mar 10 20:12:26 spirtusik: 20% easy gain is achievable over my build Mar 10 20:12:28 and her http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif Mar 10 20:12:35 you can try pupniks one Mar 10 20:12:44 i didn't get around to do gcc profiled build Mar 10 20:12:47 :) Mar 10 20:13:05 problem is my profiled built is not better in all situations Mar 10 20:13:10 but it's significant in superfrog Mar 10 20:13:24 tetris is faster too Mar 10 20:13:27 :) Mar 10 20:13:38 pupnik: and of course a lot of dominatrix driven work :) Mar 10 20:14:29 pupnik: I cannot seem to get the dpad to work on every occassion. What are the mappings exactly ? joy up/down/left/right/fire ? Mar 10 20:14:43 KotCzarny: are you still tinkering with it ? Mar 10 20:14:48 what u mean on every occasion? Mar 10 20:14:52 for every app? Mar 10 20:14:54 in my build fullscreen button is fire Mar 10 20:15:11 and dpad sends codes for cursors AND joy movements Mar 10 20:15:37 has anyone been having problems using ukmp with the latest os2008? Mar 10 20:15:38 pupnik: some of the games I tried did not seem to pick it up. Walker/Unreal/Ivanhoe to be exact Mar 10 20:16:22 for me, it finishes loading album covers and the screen simply goes black. I need to use the task button to exit the process Mar 10 20:22:57 bad album art? Mar 10 20:23:10 one bad image could seriously wreck your day Mar 10 20:44:28 lcuk_3, it loaded fine in the previous os2008 Mar 10 21:12:30 legind, sorry then was just something i did when switching from scratchbox to real Mar 10 21:31:59 [252088.984375] onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 Mar 10 21:31:59 [252088.984375] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock4, sector 137984 Mar 10 21:32:02 O.o Mar 10 21:35:28 internal flash going bye bye ? Mar 10 21:35:46 I doubt it Mar 10 21:36:07 or trying to access it too fast ? Mar 10 21:36:15 I am sure it will not happen again (I hope for you it doesn't ;-P) Mar 10 21:36:32 it stops at the same block Mar 10 21:36:39 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:31 m4 Mar 10 21:36:39 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 70647808 Mar 11 17:33 m4.1 Mar 10 21:36:43 at 2 tries Mar 10 21:36:47 ouch Mar 10 21:37:12 double ouch Mar 10 21:37:18 some kind of bb marking would be nice Mar 10 21:37:22 onenand_wait: controller error = 0x2440 Mar 10 21:37:50 Error 0x2440: You are screwed, Sir Mar 10 21:39:06 i think jffs2 would map it as a bb Mar 10 21:39:16 but using dd as a backup tool will fail then Mar 10 21:39:44 unless you dd up to the bad block to one file, then dd from first available sec to the second file Mar 10 21:39:56 and restore them separately Mar 10 21:45:38 yup Mar 10 21:45:49 one 128kb block is dead Mar 10 21:45:50 i think Mar 10 21:46:33 YOU KILLED IT!!!! Mar 10 21:46:56 was his name Kenny? Mar 10 21:46:59 it wasn't me Mar 10 21:47:05 or Robert Poulsen? Mar 10 21:47:05 it was a deadly cosmic ray Mar 10 21:47:29 sure sure, the act of God defence Mar 10 21:47:31 oh, well, at least it's not in the boot area Mar 10 21:47:32 :> Mar 10 21:47:38 'defense' Mar 10 21:47:50 yes, pedantic dude Mar 10 21:47:55 :P Mar 10 21:48:05 KotCzarny: to przez braci kaczynskich, parity error :) Mar 10 21:48:16 fence is made from wire :P Mar 10 21:48:36 1. A structure serving as an enclosure, a barrier, or a boundary, usually made of posts or stake Mar 10 21:48:36 s joined together by boards, wire, or rails. Mar 10 21:48:40 2. The art or sport of fencing. Mar 10 21:48:42 ;) Mar 10 21:48:49 actually Mar 10 21:48:50 4. Archaic. A means of defense; a protection. Mar 10 21:48:54 hence the fence :) Mar 10 21:48:56 defence is brit. Mar 10 21:49:02 nope Mar 10 21:49:05 yes Mar 10 21:49:05 defense is brit Mar 10 21:49:22 hum Mar 10 21:49:23 too bad the Oxford dictionary disagrees with you Mar 10 21:49:26 or you may be wight Mar 10 21:49:29 right Mar 10 21:49:33 or left :) Mar 10 21:49:43 oh well Mar 10 21:49:46 :P Mar 10 21:49:48 wigh is an island :) Mar 10 21:49:51 wight :) Mar 10 21:49:57 english grammar is a b* anyway Mar 10 21:49:58 :) Mar 10 21:51:14 if it ain't describable with lex and yacc, it ain't worth dealing with :P Mar 10 21:52:09 ok codeheads, time to hit the showers and for a keep. see you tommorrow Mar 10 21:52:15 go go Mar 10 21:52:17 :) Mar 10 21:52:21 :) Mar 10 21:52:34 idu w ... ty juz wiesz gdzie :) Mar 10 21:52:39 ic ic Mar 10 21:52:40 :) Mar 10 21:55:22 * ccooke has just taken delivery of the new pdair hard case for the n810 Mar 10 21:55:29 it's really nice Mar 10 21:55:33 link? Mar 10 21:55:34 :) Mar 10 21:56:32 hard case? like one that can turn the n810 into a lift back for a truck? Mar 10 21:56:54 http://www.365covers.com/product_info.php?language=en¤cy=USD&products_id=434 Mar 10 21:56:55 mmm Mar 10 21:56:57 black Mar 10 21:57:12 http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWNUW-2snoM Mar 10 21:58:29 hmm Mar 10 21:58:43 it feels really sturdy Mar 10 21:58:52 very well padded Mar 10 21:58:59 is it nice to touch? Mar 10 21:59:04 yes Mar 10 21:59:18 slightly textured Mar 10 21:59:20 i bet dirt will start getting there Mar 10 22:00:09 maybe Mar 10 22:00:27 no more than any other case Mar 10 22:00:32 yeah Mar 10 22:00:36 unfortunatelly Mar 10 22:00:39 that video is such a waste of bandwidth Mar 10 22:00:44 hehe Mar 10 22:00:44 also, you can leave the tablet unlocked in it Mar 10 22:00:51 at least it's watchable Mar 10 22:00:54 and not .pps Mar 10 22:01:27 http://www.mobilizenow.com/catalog/Nokia_N800_Vehicle_Mounts_and_Holders_752238.htm Mar 10 22:01:32 only the buttons are free, which aren't going to be triggered in my shirt pocket, say Mar 10 22:01:44 nokia doesn't have any screw holes Mar 10 22:01:48 i wonder how it works Mar 10 22:02:02 yeah, that's a plus Mar 10 22:02:58 KotCzarny: it's padded and a tight fit. you push the tablet in and the friction holds it strongly Mar 10 22:03:18 it'll come out if you hit it hard while open Mar 10 22:03:49 *verifies* yep Mar 10 22:04:33 but gravity won't pull it out, and it's fine with moderate taps while being held open and upside down Mar 10 22:06:15 now all I need is canola to optionally use the external +/- buttons as next/prev Mar 10 22:06:24 hehe Mar 10 22:07:42 http://www.compuplus.com/i-Nokia-AD-42W-Stereo-Audio-Gateway-0276236-1009890~.html?sid=018zfbxt6mhz084 Mar 10 22:07:54 i could use that Mar 10 22:07:55 :> Mar 10 22:08:45 no reason to think it isn't as shitty as the headphone output on n8x0 Mar 10 22:09:02 it connects to hifi equipment Mar 10 22:09:08 quite convenient Mar 10 22:09:38 hmm Mar 10 22:09:53 it works both ways Mar 10 22:09:55 :) Mar 10 22:10:13 lcdd: huh? seems pretty good with decent headphones Mar 10 22:10:35 http://www.simsimgate.com/cell-phones-pdas/nokia-replica/nokia-n800-style-cell-phone-mobile-phones-with-256mb-card/prod_946.html Mar 10 22:10:36 o.o Mar 10 22:10:41 wtf is this? Mar 10 22:11:19 Hi people, could someone help me with hildon-application-manager, please? I cannot install anything since some days ago Mar 10 22:11:36 it always fails without leaving a message in the log Mar 10 22:11:54 but i can install packages from an ssh session with apt-get Mar 10 22:12:27 ccooke: it's really noisy with sensitive phones Mar 10 22:16:15 http://www.shopstormcomputer.com/ssproduct.asp?pf_id=1010846905 Mar 10 22:16:17 nice price Mar 10 22:17:46 something opens the audio device even with system sounds disabled. every time a window is closed there's a buzz coming out of the output for a second or so Mar 10 22:18:36 it gets really annoying when you have earphones plugged in Mar 10 22:18:48 lcdd: turn off system sounds? Mar 10 22:18:53 dalonso: hmm. have you got "strace" installed? Mar 10 22:19:29 when you get no logs, that's often the best bet. Mar 10 22:19:30 KotCzarny: they are. i'm talking about noise floor on the device, which is audible Mar 10 22:19:40 lcdd: ah, i understand Mar 10 22:19:46 emi Mar 10 22:19:47 :) Mar 10 22:19:58 KotCzarny: when there is no sound being played it's dead silent Mar 10 22:20:08 and those of us who are daily exposed to badly documented enterprise software learn to appreciate system call tracing ;) Mar 10 22:20:13 which just means someone is saving power :) Mar 10 22:20:21 :) Mar 10 22:20:47 * KotCzarny plots retu-adc battery log Mar 10 22:21:39 Veggen, hi, Mar 10 22:22:11 Veggen: I just discovered that the problem is that my mmc2 filesystem is readonly Mar 10 22:22:18 oh. ok. Mar 10 22:22:30 Veggen: so application-manager cannot dowload packages Mar 10 22:22:42 but I don't know how this happened Mar 10 22:23:16 mmm, that often happens when there is a problem with it. I have found it sometimes necessary to fsck it. Which OS version do you have? Mar 10 22:23:27 2008 Mar 10 22:23:37 reboot usually fixes it Mar 10 22:23:41 :) Mar 10 22:23:54 (cards are checked wwhen mounting) Mar 10 22:24:02 or opening/closing battery cover Mar 10 22:24:16 but this will only work for mmc cards Mar 10 22:24:51 oops, Mar 10 22:25:00 I am really silly Mar 10 22:25:08 the card was write locked Mar 10 22:25:10 sorry Mar 10 22:25:11 lol Mar 10 22:25:41 is working now ;-) Thx Mar 10 23:12:45 i was playing with some usbmicro cables i got today (n810) .. shouldn't the B cable be used to connect the n810 to a pc and the A cable to switch the n810 to host mode? Mar 10 23:13:02 you can switch host mode in software Mar 10 23:17:20 i did that before i ordered the cables .. those cables both work only as host mode cables in OTG mode and don't work with the pc (even if i switch modes on the device) Mar 10 23:24:07 whats the latest with the gps Mar 10 23:24:14 'it sucks' Mar 10 23:25:24 why can it only remember visible satalites for a short time Mar 10 23:26:03 after shuting down Mar 10 23:27:09 mine did (30sec to get a fix after 1hr power off) Mar 10 23:27:42 30sec is a good result Mar 10 23:27:43 :> Mar 10 23:27:49 ppl report 1-2min there Mar 10 23:27:50 ;) Mar 10 23:28:37 but to get an initial fix i usually need 3min Mar 10 23:28:56 hehe Mar 10 23:29:06 mine has no problem staying on inside once i get a fix Mar 10 23:30:39 anyone tried nokia 3dlw ? Mar 10 23:30:40 would nowing what satalites were visible speed it up Mar 10 23:30:42 3d-lw Mar 10 23:30:53 (it's a sirf iii based bt gps) Mar 10 23:31:32 i heard sif iii was awsume Mar 10 23:31:46 google lists it for ~80-90$ Mar 10 23:32:19 Accuracy Typical ± 5-10 m, maximum ± 25 m (95% open-sky) Mar 10 23:32:19 Update rate 1 s Mar 10 23:32:20 Acquisition times Approximately 45s/2s (cold/hot start) Mar 10 23:32:21 :> Mar 10 23:33:37 anyone got fuse/sshfs to work with a n810? Mar 10 23:33:46 i have a sirf III usb mouse .. those values meet that Mar 10 23:33:52 moa: what's the problem? Mar 10 23:34:04 Just wondering if it can be done Mar 10 23:34:14 moa: no problem Mar 10 23:34:28 sshfs as client or server? Mar 10 23:34:31 apt-get package, or source only Mar 10 23:34:32 both Mar 10 23:34:34 client Mar 10 23:45:48 i did a test with the n810 gps and my old garmin geko301 side by side this evening .. n810 results look much better Mar 10 23:49:47 http://www.pcsuperdeals.com/ProductView.asp?ProductID=4520eb3a-6356-40bf-95ff-c315e4ed0c7e&Refer=11 Mar 10 23:49:52 'super' deal Mar 10 23:49:52 :> Mar 10 23:59:13 has anyone seen their Airport Extremes die on a regular basis when an N8x0 starts using the network? Mar 11 00:08:01 that pay later must be great Mar 11 00:08:11 lol.. $1600 to get a backorder on a NIT Mar 11 00:08:19 ;) Mar 11 00:08:30 300 available Mar 11 00:08:32 ;) Mar 11 00:08:44 1 in 5 dont actually pay Mar 11 00:08:52 that can't be in USD Mar 11 00:09:00 That must be in rupees Mar 11 00:09:16 it's all over the page Mar 11 00:09:23 could be hk dollars Mar 11 00:09:55 it would be a good deal, if it came w/ free delievery.. to antarctica Mar 11 00:09:58 Based in West Los Angeles, CA Mar 11 00:10:11 (from about us) Mar 11 00:10:53 anyone have a coupon code for this thing xD Mar 11 00:11:30 a big scam for canadians when there dollor was 70 was to take american express checks to the states and hope the cashier didnt notice Mar 11 00:11:55 :) Mar 11 00:12:50 ... for stupid Canadians, maybe Mar 11 00:13:10 "financial fraud" is a pretty serious charge, and the US and Canada do have extradition treaties Mar 11 00:14:11 i'm about to checkout.. shipping is indeed free Mar 11 00:14:14 i believe n800 didn't cost more than 500$ even preordered Mar 11 00:15:43 hey, maybe they have a pricematching policy that knocks a percent of the difference off Mar 11 00:15:49 that would be sweet Mar 11 00:17:01 :) Mar 11 00:18:08 If there are any credit cards out there that still have price protection, this is the time to take advantage of it.. if you want to get back at the credit card co. Mar 11 00:18:17 :> Mar 11 00:18:37 what's a price protection? Mar 11 00:19:49 I used to have one.. it's a credit card that had a feature where you could claim a refund of the difference if you found a product for less within 30 days after buying it. Mar 11 00:20:09 wow Mar 11 00:20:13 nice Mar 11 00:20:13 Citibank had it for a few years, then discontinued it. Mar 11 00:20:26 but i believe it was a loss for a bank Mar 11 00:21:09 their rationale was that folks would make more purchases on the card because of it, and thus make more profit for the bank Mar 11 00:21:26 obviously they lost more than they gained, because they discontinued it Mar 11 00:21:30 :> Mar 11 00:21:49 But I think some cards still have it.. but it's a premium feature. I don't see it on the free credit cards anymore Mar 11 00:23:04 when the program was still in action, I ran up purchases at cyberrebate.com.. where everything was free after rebate Mar 11 00:23:13 :> Mar 11 00:23:15 lol Mar 11 00:23:17 but the up front cost was 4 times the shelf price Mar 11 00:23:32 So I got the rebate, plus the difference in price Mar 11 00:23:47 essentially getting paid to take the stuff Mar 11 00:23:53 not bad Mar 11 00:24:02 how much stuff did you get that way? Mar 11 00:24:03 then I sold the junk Mar 11 00:24:04 :) Mar 11 00:24:33 probably spent a couple thousand in junk.. some if it was kitchen appliances that I kept Mar 11 00:24:41 :> Mar 11 00:25:10 It was all free after MIR; and then I made an equal number of claims through the banks price protection program Mar 11 00:25:23 it was a fun college hobby Mar 11 00:25:42 cyberrebates eventually went out of business Mar 11 00:25:48 lol Mar 11 00:25:52 because of you? Mar 11 00:25:53 :> Mar 11 00:25:53 They were probably doing a scam of some kind themselves Mar 11 00:25:59 hehe Mar 11 00:26:17 it pissed me off.. because I never got the last rebate Mar 11 00:26:42 but you're on the + side anyway Mar 11 00:26:44 it was a 100 dollar rebate for some cheap ass 50 cent haning fruit basket for a kitchen Mar 11 00:26:45 of the balance Mar 11 00:26:57 yeah, i still came out ahead Mar 11 00:27:45 you know that bank never gives me a break when I ask to have a fee reversed.. now that I think of it Mar 11 00:27:57 http://mobilereviews.freehostia.com/wordpress/?p=39 Mar 11 00:28:11 n800 was meant to have gps and wimax? Mar 11 00:28:11 lol Mar 11 00:30:00 i hope my n800 breaks on the last month of the warranty.. maybe I can return it for warranty repair, and end up with one that has wimax Mar 11 00:30:12 dreamer Mar 11 00:30:26 i haven't seen any other news site mentioning it Mar 11 00:31:07 i wore out the touch screen on my 770. nokia replaced it Mar 11 00:35:03 what's needed for a return? Mar 11 00:38:15 hmmf. Mar 11 00:38:53 never try to adjust your bicycle brakes for the first time after midnight the day before you plan to start bicycle season. Mar 11 00:38:59 :> Mar 11 00:39:22 <---ten thumbs. Now I need to see a bicycle shop before I can use it ;P Mar 11 00:39:41 lol Mar 11 00:40:03 good for you nokia is quite easy to use with thumbs Mar 11 00:40:04 :) Mar 11 00:40:14 mmm. Mar 11 00:46:49 hm. weird Mar 11 00:46:52 http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/nokia/ Mar 11 00:46:59 lists 1.7.62.49.1 Mar 11 00:47:06 dpkg shows 1.7.62.51.1 Mar 11 00:49:01 tableteer.nokia has newer one Mar 11 00:49:05 still, weird Mar 11 00:57:23 is there anyway to modify autocomplete so i can add in url entries? Mar 11 00:57:42 for the browser? Mar 11 00:57:59 just type them? Mar 11 00:58:19 (or the input methods...) Mar 11 00:58:43 for the browser bookmarks seem favourable Mar 11 00:58:44 :) Mar 11 01:03:14 yes, but i like typing Mar 11 01:03:52 or is there something like keyword search on firefox? i can type keyword + search Mar 11 01:05:42 if you're feeling really evil, you could change the "search" behavior to a javascript: url Mar 11 01:05:51 which would probably let you bunch a couple of keywords together Mar 11 01:06:28 (search is generally triggered by typing more than one word into the urlbar and triggering "go") Mar 11 01:07:21 Does anyone know where I can find maemofuse and sshfs for os2008? Mar 11 01:08:22 moa: as a deb? Mar 11 01:08:29 or tar.gz is enough? Mar 11 01:08:37 tar.gz is fine with me Mar 11 01:08:45 All I can find is the os2006 debs Mar 11 01:08:53 i can give you mine binaries Mar 11 01:09:19 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/fuse_sshfs.tar.gz Mar 11 01:09:42 sweet Mar 11 01:09:47 Let me give those a try Mar 11 01:11:36 i should really make a proper package from it Mar 11 01:11:46 but i'm a slackware man Mar 11 01:11:47 :> Mar 11 01:11:57 .tgz should be enough Mar 11 01:11:59 I lost them once I untared Mar 11 01:12:05 usr/local/ Mar 11 01:12:07 :P Mar 11 01:12:29 you should untar to / Mar 11 01:12:41 that will put files in proper places Mar 11 01:12:53 otherwise you will need to move them yourself Mar 11 01:13:08 in the process of moving them now Mar 11 01:14:45 i should've added mount.sshfs symlink, but busybox's mount seems to ignore it Mar 11 01:23:07 can't open libfuse.so.2 shared object Mar 11 01:23:19 add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf Mar 11 01:23:22 and run ldconfig Mar 11 01:23:36 or just put it in /usr/lib Mar 11 01:24:00 nevermind got it Mar 11 01:24:04 hehe Mar 11 01:24:07 i forgot to to that Mar 11 01:24:07 lol Mar 11 01:27:58 fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first Mar 11 01:28:02 almost there! Mar 11 01:28:11 that command doesn't work btw Mar 11 01:28:15 yes Mar 11 01:28:29 because you should do insmod /usr/local/lib/modules/fuse.ko Mar 11 01:28:43 ah yes Mar 11 01:28:44 because you don't have /lib/modules Mar 11 01:29:21 and voila it works! Mar 11 01:29:30 seriously? Mar 11 01:29:32 ;) Mar 11 01:29:33 Yup Mar 11 01:29:36 no kidding! Mar 11 01:29:52 many thanks to you Mar 11 01:30:06 i though i just put some random files and pretend to make it work! Mar 11 01:30:08 ;) Mar 11 01:30:09 lol Mar 11 01:30:12 *thought Mar 11 01:30:13 yea yea Mar 11 01:31:02 That's the metacrawler, something Nokia added for brain-dead users who cannot remember by themselves where they left their stuff. Unfortunately, metacrawler cannot be turned off safely (Nokia must assume all users are brain-dead), so we're stuck with the crap. Mar 11 01:31:07 'safely' ? Mar 11 01:33:02 i just changed the name Mar 11 01:33:34 i disabled it's starting script in /etc/rc2.d Mar 11 01:41:25 KotCzarny, did you have to change anything to make it build? Mar 11 01:41:31 nope Mar 11 01:41:48 only have to do make install when building fuse Mar 11 01:41:56 i was too lazy to fiddle with libfuse Mar 11 01:42:16 so sshfs will find lib/includes Mar 11 01:42:16 great...maybe I can just mangle the dependencies on debian's package so we get debs of it :) Mar 11 01:42:23 hehe Mar 11 01:42:32 hey, it worked for cron Mar 11 01:42:53 i bet simply copying debian/ dir from 2006 package would suffice Mar 11 01:42:53 :> Mar 11 01:43:05 maybe Mar 11 01:43:13 I wonder how much fuse has changed since then... Mar 11 01:43:25 remove patches etc Mar 11 01:43:37 just leave descriptive files Mar 11 01:43:47 it really builds out-of-the-box Mar 11 01:44:25 and this is the newest version? Mar 11 01:44:31 yes i believe Mar 11 01:44:37 downloaded it from sf Mar 11 01:50:23 if you're at it, you can probably add other fuse fs' Mar 11 01:50:29 like ntfs-3g ;) Mar 11 01:51:10 only if it's incredibly easy Mar 11 01:51:19 could be handy for folks connecting external drives Mar 11 01:51:20 yes Mar 11 01:51:23 I really have no use for anything except sshfs Mar 11 01:51:27 it builds in the same way as sshfs Mar 11 01:52:29 yeah, but if it actually needs hacking to get it to build a .deb package... Mar 11 01:55:15 haha, Darius is back Mar 11 01:55:53 (the weird guy on the maemo-developers ml) Mar 11 01:56:54 he's on itt too Mar 11 01:57:10 if you missed his great wimax thread you really need to see it to believe it... Mar 11 01:57:13 and he writes the same nonsense over and over ? Mar 11 01:57:44 what nonsense? Mar 11 01:57:51 usually, different nonsense, but I've read him in both places. 90% sure it's the same guy Mar 11 01:58:03 johnx: I'm not on itt, what's the thread called? Mar 11 01:58:13 let me find a link Mar 11 01:59:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10694&highlight=wimax Mar 11 01:59:37 wtf? Mar 11 01:59:54 keep in mind, this was before USB host worked as well Mar 11 02:00:51 he lost some credibility after that thread I think :) Mar 11 02:02:50 shackan, this is what you miss by not reading itt :D Mar 11 02:03:09 btw. he said in the post he wants to buy 2 nokias Mar 11 02:03:19 and then people misread it as 'give' Mar 11 02:04:08 well the wording of his post didn't help Mar 11 02:04:14 true Mar 11 02:04:21 but people got carried away Mar 11 02:04:31 by the idea of 'free n810s' Mar 11 02:04:32 :) Mar 11 02:05:17 also he said wimax hardware will be provided by 3rd parties, not by nokia (or n810 itself) Mar 11 02:05:35 so it could be bt/wifi solution still Mar 11 02:05:37 right, but at that point in time there was no known way to attach it :) Mar 11 02:05:53 i guess through wifi...but then why is the N810 necessary? Mar 11 02:05:54 he never mentioned how he was going to attach Mar 11 02:06:23 you're reaching pretty far to defend him here...check out the thread where he accuses nokia of distributing viruses Mar 11 02:06:25 johnx: that i do not know Mar 11 02:06:27 :) Mar 11 02:06:35 link? Mar 11 02:06:36 :> Mar 11 02:06:45 one sec Mar 11 02:08:23 wow, i have hw rev. 1302 Mar 11 02:10:10 neat, I have 1301 Mar 11 02:12:45 virus thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11800&highlight=virus Mar 11 02:13:24 do you know about changes in hw revs ? Mar 11 02:13:43 I don't think anyone has found a difference Mar 11 02:14:21 and for the N800 I think that 1301 and 1302 are pretty much the only releases "in the wild" Mar 11 02:14:43 :) Mar 11 02:16:06 there was a guy who had a 1202 and couldn't get it to flash, but that's all I've heard Mar 11 02:16:32 hahaha Mar 11 02:18:01 i agree with a technut comment Mar 11 02:18:02 :) Mar 11 02:18:43 I didn't read those threads past the first couple comments... Mar 11 02:18:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95558&postcount=9 Mar 11 02:18:56 this one Mar 11 02:18:57 :) Mar 11 02:19:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95581&postcount=15 Mar 11 02:19:49 hehe, and this one :> Mar 11 02:19:52 yeah, he really needs to chill out, make a new account/change his name and email address and come back in a week or two Mar 11 02:21:46 NEED 2 810s TO TEST OUT 3GiPHONE NOW, WILL BUY DIRECT FROM NOKIA Mar 11 02:21:58 :) Mar 11 02:22:03 that.. could work! Mar 11 02:22:16 I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I AM TELLING YOU ALL THIS, I JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW MY EVERY NOKIA RELATED THOUGHT Mar 11 02:22:20 i went a couple rounds w/ Texrat myself Mar 11 02:22:30 NEED FIX CAPS LOCK Mar 11 02:22:33 heh Mar 11 02:22:34 :) Mar 11 02:22:43 CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME Mar 11 02:22:48 heh Mar 11 02:22:57 CAPS LOCK IS FOR PUSSIES Mar 11 02:23:06 let me get my colors script... Mar 11 02:23:06 ;) Mar 11 02:23:11 ONLY PUSSIES SAY THAT CAPSLOCK IS ANYTHING BUT AWESOME Mar 11 02:23:15 with a figlet Mar 11 02:23:15 ;) Mar 11 02:23:34 Proteous, lul Mar 11 02:24:27 hehe, end of that thread is nice Mar 11 02:24:28 ;) Mar 11 02:24:57 If I've removed the gdbm file for maemo-mapper, how can I convince the app to make a new one? Mar 11 02:25:02 %rhmf% Mar 11 02:25:22 It just starts with a "downloaded maps will not be cached" message rather than make a new file. Mar 11 02:26:03 where was that file? Mar 11 02:26:17 colors Mar 11 02:26:43 hmm Mar 11 02:27:00 halley: maybe just select new dir/file ? Mar 11 02:27:15 it probably tries to look into inexistent directory Mar 11 02:27:46 test Mar 11 02:27:53 The path looked good, but it does look like that worked, KotCzarny. Mar 11 02:27:56 I think I have blinking turned off in my client Mar 11 02:28:02 protoeous: FAIL Mar 11 02:28:03 ;) Mar 11 02:28:18 it might be blinking for some of you though :P Mar 11 02:28:27 blink Mar 11 02:28:32 :P Mar 11 02:33:57 well, after the fight, canola doesn't play very well with sshfs Mar 11 02:34:07 hehe Mar 11 02:34:14 it tries indexing the files? Mar 11 02:34:16 :> Mar 11 02:34:21 medialibraries suck! Mar 11 02:34:38 get some sane player :) Mar 11 02:34:44 lol Mar 11 02:34:45 like ? Mar 11 02:35:05 there was one, i don't remember the name Mar 11 02:35:12 but supported simple directory browsing Mar 11 02:35:35 xmms? the player that wouldn't die Mar 11 02:35:41 hehe Mar 11 02:35:47 is there a package? Mar 11 02:35:53 yeah, I think so Mar 11 02:36:04 or a binary .tar.gz or something Mar 11 02:36:08 E: Couldn't find package xmms Mar 11 02:36:14 not in extras Mar 11 02:36:17 i think Mar 11 02:36:41 google xmms n800 Mar 11 02:36:51 ah, from debfarm Mar 11 02:37:03 farm sounds omnious Mar 11 02:37:22 heh Mar 11 02:37:23 they grow and harvest organic .debs there Mar 11 02:37:32 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 11 02:37:39 no pesticides or growth hormones, guaranteed! Mar 11 02:37:47 i won't pollute my nokia with their poison! Mar 11 02:38:07 what, gtk1? Mar 11 02:38:10 :> Mar 11 02:38:13 it is a scary thought... Mar 11 02:38:13 yup Mar 11 02:38:20 xmms1 is gtk1 based Mar 11 02:38:42 http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/04/19/new-maemo-player-catota/ Mar 11 02:38:46 maybe this one? Mar 11 02:38:56 hey, that looks nice Mar 11 02:40:45 looks like a quick hack Mar 11 02:41:55 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/disq/2007/02/17/a_step_in_the_wrong_direction_the_n800_s Mar 11 02:41:58 This post has 901 feedbacks awaiting moderation... Mar 11 02:41:59 lol Mar 11 02:43:42 hi texel Mar 11 02:43:43 :) Mar 11 02:44:11 Hey! =o) Mar 11 02:44:18 what's hacking up? Mar 11 02:44:23 Mm. Not much. Mar 11 02:44:32 :) Mar 11 02:44:38 Just bought a DSLR camera yesterday -- having lots of fun with it. =o) Mar 11 02:44:45 heh Mar 11 02:44:55 It's amazing how addictive they really are. =o) Mar 11 02:44:56 you're stealing souls! Mar 11 02:44:59 =op Mar 11 02:45:05 :) Mar 11 02:45:09 Nah. I take photos of landscape and still life mostly. Mar 11 02:45:27 landscape are people too! Mar 11 02:45:28 ;) Mar 11 02:45:38 landscapes Mar 11 02:46:24 Heh Mar 11 02:47:30 So. Many. MacPorts. Commits! Mar 11 02:47:41 macports? Mar 11 02:47:54 Yeah. Mar 11 02:47:58 * texel is a macports maintainer as well Mar 11 02:48:14 oh. Mar 11 02:48:16 http://www.macports.org Mar 11 02:48:22 i don't use a mac Mar 11 02:48:23 :) Mar 11 02:49:52 Mm. Mar 11 02:54:51 '15 GB free. This feels very weird. This device replaces my 8 MB Palm.' Mar 11 02:54:59 wonders of tech Mar 11 02:55:00 :> Mar 11 02:55:22 Haha Mar 11 02:55:31 really, I was just reading about MP3 players only being 10 years old... Mar 11 02:55:40 somehow they seem like they've been around forever... Mar 11 02:55:56 :> Mar 11 02:56:02 Mm. Yeah, I equate the original iPod as a yellowing plastic relic. =op Mar 11 02:56:03 forever and everywhere Mar 11 02:56:12 your teeth can do mp3 playing Mar 11 02:56:39 Pretty close. Starting to reach into the era of Mr. Macx, methinks. Mar 11 02:56:48 original ipod had (relatively) sharp edges Mar 11 02:56:51 ;) Mar 11 02:57:18 I'm still waiting for a heads-up-display to become socially acceptable Mar 11 02:57:27 the price is almost there... Mar 11 02:57:51 mr. macx ? Mar 11 02:57:54 * texel is waiting for it to be integrated into real glasses, maybe with a little AR thrown in. Mar 11 02:58:13 KotCzarny: Manfred Macx, from Robert Stross' /Accelerando/ Mar 11 02:58:15 KotCzarny, Charles Stross' Accelerando Mar 11 02:58:23 Charles? Mar 11 02:58:25 i don't watch tv Mar 11 02:58:29 Bleh -- shows how much I don't keep an eye on it. Mar 11 02:58:30 (internet tv too) Mar 11 02:58:32 KotCzarny: It's a book. Mar 11 02:58:37 oh Mar 11 02:58:41 ahahhaa Mar 11 02:58:56 It should be made a movie, though. =o) Mar 11 02:59:11 texel, Stross' blog: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/ Mar 11 03:00:04 guess I should have pointed at the FAQ :) Mar 11 03:00:09 Heh Mar 11 03:00:11 Yeah. Mar 11 03:03:28 Bah. Too many netsplits. Mar 11 03:03:52 yeah Mar 11 03:03:58 on ircnet too Mar 11 03:04:26 I wonder if it's still the same problem they were having before (ddos attacks) Mar 11 03:04:52 kiddos Mar 11 03:04:54 pf. Mar 11 03:05:01 they should be spanked hard Mar 11 03:05:15 and allowe 1h internet max/day Mar 11 03:05:16 :) Mar 11 03:05:18 allowed Mar 11 03:05:32 Darn. Halting State isn't an ebook yet. Mar 11 03:05:34 Bleh. Mar 11 03:09:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81347#post81347 Mar 11 03:09:40 * KotCzarny takes a mental note Mar 11 03:11:21 something to be careful of.. if you don't use a FAT for an SD card, then every read will also be a write (writing when the file was last read) Mar 11 03:11:38 and SD chips have a limited number of updates in their lifetime Mar 11 03:11:41 it will? Mar 11 03:11:46 doesn't noatime prevent this? Mar 11 03:11:56 does it also apply to a cf cards? Mar 11 03:12:00 yeah, noatime should prevent that Mar 11 03:12:05 * KotCzarny runs ext3 linux for a quite long time Mar 11 03:12:11 noatime everywhere Mar 11 03:12:17 unixsnob: df|grep noatime Mar 11 03:12:22 also, I'd be much more worried about swap... Mar 11 03:12:24 check if your vfat is noatime Mar 11 03:12:25 ;) Mar 11 03:12:41 you'll want to mount SD noatime,nomtime Mar 11 03:12:51 i mean mount|grep noatime Mar 11 03:12:58 not too worried about mtime... Mar 11 03:13:01 mtime is ok Mar 11 03:13:08 mtime is not necessarily OK Mar 11 03:13:19 it's the atime that's the killer Mar 11 03:13:27 (wear leveling improves the situation, when it comes into play) Mar 11 03:13:27 by the time it's a problem the same size card will cost $5 Mar 11 03:13:34 I'll pay $5 to get mtime Mar 11 03:13:49 that too Mar 11 03:13:56 but data is priceless Mar 11 03:13:58 sometimes Mar 11 03:13:58 ;) Mar 11 03:14:14 if you can't get that one particular photo ;) Mar 11 03:14:20 backup, backup, backup...and it's soo easy with sd cards too, just put it in a card reader and rsync Mar 11 03:14:32 yeah, back up flash for sure Mar 11 03:14:37 since it's unstable as all hell :-P Mar 11 03:14:41 (comparatively) Mar 11 03:14:46 backup *everything* especially mobile stuff Mar 11 03:14:49 so back to my point.. I was just pointing out that one need not concern w/ noatime if they use a FAT fs.. it's a lazy solution Mar 11 03:15:12 on the other hand ... you're limited to FAT's rather pathetic feature set and performance Mar 11 03:15:16 the failure mode of "too many writes" should be for the overall size to be reduced, not catastrophic failure Mar 11 03:15:32 it is, to a point, I think Mar 11 03:15:38 yup Mar 11 03:15:43 and ext2/3 handles that Mar 11 03:15:45 but the device can only remap so many blocks Mar 11 03:15:52 just like a spinning disk Mar 11 03:15:53 that would assume all the bad blocks are tracked Mar 11 03:16:05 And the first failure would be data loss Mar 11 03:16:23 I think flash has read-after-write, and actually does catch these things Mar 11 03:16:28 at least *some* flash does; I don't know about all Mar 11 03:16:28 hmm? a failure should only happen on write, if I understand correctly Mar 11 03:16:52 so something like: write -> fail -> mark bad block and write somewhere else Mar 11 03:16:58 perhaps Mar 11 03:16:59 and the hardware *has* to track the bad blocks, because the software sees virtual blocks which bear little relation to reality Mar 11 03:17:04 johnx: right Mar 11 03:17:44 well in that case, noatime isn't as important as I had thought Mar 11 03:17:45 however, catastrophic failure in mobile storage devices that are removed/inserted repeatedly is far from uncommon :D Mar 11 03:17:54 unix: it is Mar 11 03:18:05 you still don't want to overuse your flash Mar 11 03:18:25 meh.. I don't care if the size shrinks a little Mar 11 03:18:27 KotCzarny, it depends on how long you want it to live, and how much you use it Mar 11 03:18:49 smaller probability that you will have to handle failure of some blocks Mar 11 03:19:05 :) Mar 11 03:19:11 The time spent in configuring noatime is probably not worth the tiny amount of space lost years from now Mar 11 03:19:18 hehe Mar 11 03:19:35 it's one word in fstab Mar 11 03:19:40 or one line in a boot script Mar 11 03:19:41 still, idea of writes happening on read is not my favourite Mar 11 03:19:42 :) Mar 11 03:19:53 well, I'm not even to the point of editing my fstab on my NIT Mar 11 03:20:01 hehe Mar 11 03:20:01 unixSnob: it will not shrink at all, and then it will fail totally Mar 11 03:20:04 neither am I under ITOS Mar 11 03:20:06 I have yet to even see the command prompt on it Mar 11 03:20:09 it's waaay to fragile Mar 11 03:20:19 it's a linux Mar 11 03:20:27 KotCzarny, it's a fragile linux Mar 11 03:20:28 if it crashes, it's a bug Mar 11 03:20:28 :) Mar 11 03:20:29 elb - that's not what johnx just concluded Mar 11 03:20:36 so I guess this is unsettled Mar 11 03:20:43 hmm? concluded? Mar 11 03:20:44 i see it as a debian with binary drivers Mar 11 03:20:51 and customized ui Mar 11 03:20:52 KotCzarny, it's not debian... Mar 11 03:21:03 elb is saying flaws are catastrophic.. y'all just said it's a write failure on a block Mar 11 03:21:10 johnx: in that matter i see ubuntu as a debian too Mar 11 03:21:10 ;) Mar 11 03:21:21 ubuntu is closer to debian than ITOS Mar 11 03:21:23 i know it's not a debian Mar 11 03:21:35 unixSnob: the problem is that it interacts with things like wear leveling Mar 11 03:21:38 right, but I don't even consider it as a debian-like thing any more Mar 11 03:21:42 :) Mar 11 03:21:48 unixSnob: the device can only handle so many bad blocks, before its firmware fails, basically Mar 11 03:21:49 it acts too differently Mar 11 03:22:04 i have never played with debian so long to tell the difference Mar 11 03:22:05 this is the 1st time I hear the term wear leveling Mar 11 03:22:09 so bear with my ignorance ;) Mar 11 03:22:15 unixsnob: lol Mar 11 03:22:28 So how does atime become catastrophic? Mar 11 03:22:35 if it's enabled, that is Mar 11 03:22:49 it's not visible on the outside Mar 11 03:22:55 So it can't just mark the block as unwritable, and stop using it? Mar 11 03:22:58 johnx: 100% agree. Mar 11 03:23:00 card firmware does it internally Mar 11 03:23:14 think of it as a harddisk spare sectors Mar 11 03:23:23 and s.m.a.r.t. Mar 11 03:23:26 ITOS is far too... weird. It's like a version of Linux that has apt-get and dpkg bolted on. Mar 11 03:23:35 texel, exactly Mar 11 03:23:40 Are you saying it'll run out of spares, and become a catastrophy Mar 11 03:23:53 unix: but only in a particular 4mb 'sector' Mar 11 03:23:56 at least on sandisk Mar 11 03:23:57 I would think it would just shrink once it runs out of spares Mar 11 03:24:04 unixSnob: As time goes on, the fuses in the flash will wear out and fail to repair themselves when you need to clear a bit. Mar 11 03:24:10 Having done a web kiosk system based on Debian I know firsthand how easy it is to stray from "the debian way" when you're running out of flash space... Mar 11 03:24:38 SD cards contain a reserved set of bits that can be used later on when bits fail. Mar 11 03:24:48 unixsnob: http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/OEM/WhitePapersAndBrochures/RS-MMC/WPaperWearLevelv1.0.pdf Mar 11 03:24:56 read from the first hand Mar 11 03:24:56 :> Mar 11 03:24:59 texel - i understand that.. but I don't see why it would be catastrophic Mar 11 03:25:03 johnx: Yeah... =o) Mar 11 03:25:10 "well, just a little change here will save me 5MB, and who really needs thing zyz anyways...?" Mar 11 03:25:33 unixSnob: the firmware can't handle it Mar 11 03:25:51 I had to take Slackware at one point and make it client-server on one server zip disk and several client disks. Mar 11 03:25:52 unixSnob: look at it this way ... you have an X block device. in reality, it has X + k blocks on it Mar 11 03:25:57 Had to be VERY picky as to how things were put on that thing. Mar 11 03:26:05 By the time I was done, it was nothing like Slackware. =op Mar 11 03:26:11 :> Mar 11 03:26:12 unixSnob: as blocks go bad, they are replaced with the k spares, and there is enough bookkeeping on the device to handle k replacements Mar 11 03:26:22 right Mar 11 03:26:23 unixSnob: on the k + 1st failure ... bookkeeping runs out, and the device becomes unreliable Mar 11 03:26:30 elb: one correction Mar 11 03:26:37 it's made in 'sectors' of 4mb Mar 11 03:26:46 so EACH such sector has it's spare blocks Mar 11 03:26:54 and can't use spares from others Mar 11 03:26:56 I would have thought it would just shrink at k+1 failures Mar 11 03:27:01 it can't shrink Mar 11 03:27:04 the firmware can't handle it Mar 11 03:27:09 ok Mar 11 03:27:20 and the filesystem doesn't handle it? Mar 11 03:27:23 elb, thanks for the info. :D Mar 11 03:27:24 and it can't be corrected on the host, because blocks are randomly mapped, with the mapping changing on each write Mar 11 03:27:33 ("wear leveling") Mar 11 03:27:37 filesystem sees series of badblocks Mar 11 03:27:43 what it does it's up to fs Mar 11 03:27:44 as KotCzarny points out, the real details are somewhat more complicated Mar 11 03:27:44 :) Mar 11 03:27:49 KotCzarny, is that the wear leveling scheme that everything uses? Mar 11 03:27:59 but the bottom line is that flash memory is much more complicated than a rotating disk Mar 11 03:27:59 johnx: probably it's updated few times Mar 11 03:28:05 wpaper is from ~2000 Mar 11 03:28:22 but gives an idea how it can be done Mar 11 03:28:25 (note that modern rotating disks have some similar features, such as hardware block replacement, etc. -- but their overflow bad blocks are stable, and can be mapped out by the software) Mar 11 03:28:58 johnx: in reality, every Flash technology is slightly different Mar 11 03:29:00 elb: isn't that firmware does it too on hdds? Mar 11 03:29:25 I have no idea what SD/MiniSD actaully do in detail, or even if the standard has any requirements for how they handle such things Mar 11 03:29:26 Reallocated_Event_Count, Current_Pending_Sector, Reallocated_Sector_Ct Mar 11 03:29:41 KotCzarny: yeah, the firmware can map out bad blocks up to a point Mar 11 03:30:01 that's an artifact of the fact that disk geometry is almost never related to logical geometry any mor Mar 11 03:30:04 e Mar 11 03:30:09 So the mapping table of bad blocks is constrained by k? Mar 11 03:30:10 so you wind up with sectors which are unaddressable anyway Mar 11 03:30:15 unixSnob: right Mar 11 03:30:32 unixsnob: check the capacity of your card Mar 11 03:30:37 All they had to do is make the table a little larger, and problem nearly solved Mar 11 03:30:40 (which is one reason that performance of old disks really does degrade in some instances) Mar 11 03:30:45 flash chips are probably made in sizes that are powers of 2 Mar 11 03:30:56 and actually you see a number a little different Mar 11 03:31:19 unixSnob: there is a tradeoff between write resiliance and wasted space ... they chose a point in that tradeoff, and simply gave you a device of declared size with a probable number of writes Mar 11 03:31:30 unixSnob: if you make the device "smaller", you can increase the writes Mar 11 03:31:31 * unixSnob thinks about running SpinRite on SD chips Mar 11 03:31:43 unixsnob: bad idea Mar 11 03:31:45 :) Mar 11 03:32:03 yeah, I was only half serious Mar 11 03:32:14 but could work to a point Mar 11 03:32:18 I have some 16MB chips I could sacrifice Mar 11 03:32:31 ie. refreshing content Mar 11 03:33:01 but running badblocks -n would do the same Mar 11 03:33:06 :) Mar 11 03:33:27 don't flash chips auto-refresh these days? Mar 11 03:33:30 (I don't know) Mar 11 03:33:32 i don't know Mar 11 03:33:35 but probably not Mar 11 03:33:44 refresh? Mar 11 03:33:45 ie. there's 'data retention' spec usually Mar 11 03:33:46 hmm? Mar 11 03:33:53 johnx: flash is only quasi-stable Mar 11 03:34:05 johnx: it will eventually lose data, if you just leave it unpowered and untouched Mar 11 03:34:12 I thought the retention spec was like 10years+ Mar 11 03:34:16 yes Mar 11 03:34:18 depends on the device Mar 11 03:34:30 but after 10 years your photos can go buh-bay Mar 11 03:34:31 note that magnetic media is the same way Mar 11 03:34:31 :) Mar 11 03:34:39 or 9 Mar 11 03:34:41 or 12 Mar 11 03:34:46 it's just an estimate Mar 11 03:34:52 yeah, all of these things are probabilities Mar 11 03:34:58 10 years is probably like the 50% point or something Mar 11 03:35:11 10 yrs is pretty bad Mar 11 03:35:20 with Flash, you know that it *will*, eventually, be all 1s Mar 11 03:35:21 not actually Mar 11 03:35:21 I think the test only ran for 10 years Mar 11 03:35:31 in 10 years you will buy yourself much larger card Mar 11 03:35:35 with magnetic media, it will eventually be totally random ;-) Mar 11 03:35:36 and copy all data to it Mar 11 03:35:39 I read an article talking about microfiche being superior to all digital forms of archiving Mar 11 03:35:43 and forget about old one Mar 11 03:35:56 flash around here barely has time to cool off from use... :) Mar 11 03:36:02 Which is why microfiche is still used.. nothing outlasts film Mar 11 03:36:04 just remember what have you got 1-3 years ago Mar 11 03:36:05 ;) Mar 11 03:36:16 just store the index on a flash card! Mar 11 03:36:45 and film doesn't need electricity to be accesible Mar 11 03:36:46 ;) Mar 11 03:36:59 unixSnob: film actually decays quite rapidly, too, in the big scheme of things Mar 11 03:37:03 and complicated hardware Mar 11 03:37:12 to paraphrase roughly, "real men don't do backups, they just upload to public ftp and let the world mirror it" Mar 11 03:37:16 it just takes much longer to decay in the presence of background EM Mar 11 03:37:23 Stanford still uses microfiche Mar 11 03:37:26 but ... leave it out in the light for a year or wo Mar 11 03:37:27 two Mar 11 03:37:37 :) Mar 11 03:37:45 how about radiation? Mar 11 03:37:57 I'm not sure how UV-resistant microfiche is, but I'm betting it's not good Mar 11 03:37:57 but that will be bad to everything anyway Mar 11 03:38:26 meh, keeping your stuff in one storage format is never a good idea Mar 11 03:38:32 :) Mar 11 03:38:36 some formats are just worse ideas than others Mar 11 03:38:39 film is good in damp, molding environments Mar 11 03:38:41 keeping in separate places creates a mess Mar 11 03:38:41 basically, yeah Mar 11 03:38:42 :> Mar 11 03:38:43 it's all relative Mar 11 03:39:09 KotCzarny, do you care about your data or its organization? (pick one) Mar 11 03:39:10 not sure how equal things are in the hot, radiation smothered environment Mar 11 03:39:27 :) Mar 11 03:39:38 i usually trust harddrives Mar 11 03:39:50 as long they are not overused Mar 11 03:39:51 :) Mar 11 03:40:12 oh man Mar 11 03:40:15 folks pull old war negatives out of moldy basements and everything is still good, from what I hear Mar 11 03:40:17 hard disks are horribly unreliable Mar 11 03:40:27 unixSnob: that depends on a LOT of factors Mar 11 03:40:33 elb: i find seagate barracudas iv quite nice Mar 11 03:40:36 your choice, but it's russian roulette with any one storage format Mar 11 03:40:37 negatives are relatively easy to destroy Mar 11 03:40:53 particularly old cellulose negatives Mar 11 03:41:24 unixsnob: but do you know what happens afterwards? Mar 11 03:41:30 after contact with air? Mar 11 03:41:35 :) Mar 11 03:41:42 yeah, and oxygen is a stone bitch Mar 11 03:41:43 ;-) Mar 11 03:41:45 Well, the govs bureau of archives chose to stay w/ microfiche for a reason Mar 11 03:41:54 right -- because it's all relative Mar 11 03:42:04 and because some people never change? Mar 11 03:42:05 ;) Mar 11 03:42:09 if you keep microfiche out of the light, cool, and humidity-controlled, it lasts a long time Mar 11 03:42:18 so do reel-to-reel tapes ;-) Mar 11 03:42:19 and don't trust all that shiny thingies Mar 11 03:42:34 people still manage to make a good case for magnetic tape, but it's easier to keep redundant backups on different hard disks Mar 11 03:42:45 reel-to-reels have to be baked after so much time Mar 11 03:42:46 johnx: yes, but magnetic tape is *far* more stable Mar 11 03:42:56 and isn't hooked to a power source ;-) Mar 11 03:42:59 but perhaps that's because the humidity isn't optimum Mar 11 03:43:21 right, but it's easier/cheaper to keep mulitple online copies Mar 11 03:43:31 in different locations Mar 11 03:43:59 unixsnob: some talk about wear leveling: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25832#post25832 Mar 11 03:44:26 Hi guys :D Mar 11 03:44:55 hello Mar 11 03:45:44 what's interesting about that thread is fanoush mentions that FAT is less safe, because the fat table is updated in the same place every time Mar 11 03:45:45 I managed to get a Bluetooth keyboard for my N770 running HE2008 Mar 11 03:46:21 unixsnob: i believe he was talking about cameras etc Mar 11 03:46:23 But I can't get it run, as It requires a validation key to be input in the other Bluetooth side Mar 11 03:46:54 dererk, don't you just type the key in? Mar 11 03:47:00 he was talking about mmc cards Mar 11 03:47:14 sd is pretty the same as sd Mar 11 03:47:20 erm, as mmc Mar 11 03:47:45 ah, nevermind.. wear leveling prevents that.. I spoke too soon Mar 11 03:47:50 johnx, I typed about 100x and hitted enter, but nothing happens on the box Mar 11 03:48:10 dererk: do you have some program open that reacts to keys? Mar 11 03:48:27 dererk, so it paired? or didn't pair? Mar 11 03:48:36 KotCzarny, yes, 'notes' Mar 11 03:48:50 hum Mar 11 03:48:58 johnx, didn't, but I guess it's beacose it timed out Mar 11 03:49:00 :/ Mar 11 03:49:37 dererk, have you paired it successfully in 2007HE or OS2006? Mar 11 03:49:42 what rude people in #macosx.. I describe a mac problem, and totally irrelevant to the problem, they ask "what kind of mac do you have".. well you can probably guess the rest Mar 11 03:50:07 made fun of you for having an old mac? Mar 11 03:50:10 :> Mar 11 03:50:14 johnx, I've just got it, didn't tryed in anything besides 2008HE Mar 11 03:50:22 how old? Mar 11 03:50:31 no.. it's like "oh, you have a hackintosh.. we don't support hackintosh's" Mar 11 03:50:44 what's a hackintosh? Mar 11 03:50:45 lol Mar 11 03:50:51 I've seen hackintosh users get the same treatment in forums Mar 11 03:50:54 * KotCzarny had slackintosh Mar 11 03:50:56 "they have paid more so should you" Mar 11 03:50:56 :) Mar 11 03:51:05 xD Mar 11 03:51:16 they tried to tell me it was rules not to talking about it Mar 11 03:51:23 dererk, ah, from what I understand you type the key/pin on the tablet like 0000, then hit 0000 on the keyboard and hit enter Mar 11 03:51:25 lol Mar 11 03:51:28 But someone removed the rule at some point.. but they enforced it anyway Mar 11 03:51:30 it can be different from keyboard to keyboard Mar 11 03:51:48 unixsnob: remove 'snob' from you nick then Mar 11 03:51:56 if you don't like snobbish behaviour Mar 11 03:51:56 mac it's a religion Mar 11 03:51:56 ;) Mar 11 03:52:05 johnx, yes, I fully agree Mar 11 03:52:06 not sure that would help w/ this group Mar 11 03:52:22 johnx, I'm going to search anything like my problem on the net Mar 11 03:52:26 still, may help with others ;) Mar 11 03:52:46 johnx, and then came back if I got no luck Mar 11 03:52:57 dererk, check on internettablettalk.com/forums for threads about your model of keyboard Mar 11 03:52:57 likely someone already solved the problem :) Mar 11 03:53:05 makes me want to wait for the slimeball who cornered me to come up with a problem.. so I could say "i know the answer, but I only help hackintosh users" Mar 11 03:53:13 johnx, I will, thanks :) Mar 11 03:53:43 "it's my policy" i'll say Mar 11 03:53:51 unixsnob: bad idea Mar 11 03:53:52 :) Mar 11 03:54:22 KotCzarny, well, if his goal is to reduce the channel to a flame war, then it would probably work Mar 11 03:54:31 xD Mar 11 03:54:31 :> Mar 11 03:54:58 hatin' is usually counterproductive Mar 11 03:55:11 The thing is, mac users identify their equipment by /color/ Mar 11 03:55:24 So when they ask what kind of mac I have, i say beige Mar 11 03:55:44 what gave me away was I said my video card was AGP when they grilled me on that Mar 11 03:56:02 guess I need to get a good cover story when I'm in there Mar 11 03:56:07 not to mention the beige macs won't run recent OSX ;-) Mar 11 03:56:10 and ubuntu users identify their distro by animal names or adjectives...everyone is weird Mar 11 03:56:32 * KotCzarny slacks Mar 11 03:56:32 actually, I'm running jaguar on a true beige mac Mar 11 03:56:45 but it took some hacking to get it on there Mar 11 03:57:00 yeah, they won't support that, either ;-) Mar 11 03:57:03 That's a G3 w/ 128 MB ram Mar 11 03:57:16 * KotCzarny has a g3 w/ 768 mb Mar 11 03:57:30 what i like in macs is plentiness of ram slots Mar 11 03:57:31 :) Mar 11 03:57:31 i'll tell them I bought my osx jaguar license Mar 11 03:58:01 what pisses me off about the old macs was the height of the ram chips was limited by the chassis! Mar 11 03:58:18 So I could only use low-profile simms, or grind the case down Mar 11 03:58:22 I want one of the older imacs that had a half-sphere base...those looked awesome, but they're still expensive Mar 11 03:58:38 fuck me Mar 11 03:58:42 johnx, I got it running Mar 11 03:58:43 :D Mar 11 03:58:44 not sure what you mean by half spare Mar 11 03:58:51 dererk, had to type the key on the keyboard? Mar 11 03:59:07 yes, but the enter key was REALLY strange Mar 11 03:59:13 the desk lamp imacs Mar 11 03:59:18 :) Mar 11 03:59:20 elb, yeah, those Mar 11 03:59:25 this keyboard has 2 FN keys Mar 11 03:59:43 it was shift+fn blue+fn green+ enter Mar 11 04:00:05 wow, that makes it twice as awesome Mar 11 04:00:14 ah, yeah, nice looking case style Mar 11 04:00:33 I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks a desk-lamp mac would make a great case mod project for a mac mini or a mini-itx system... Mar 11 04:01:24 or as a n8x0 display Mar 11 04:01:25 ;) Mar 11 04:24:05 Asus is making bamboo cases -> http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/03/10/asus.bamboo.computers/ Mar 11 04:24:20 where can I get my bamboo NIT chassis? Mar 11 04:24:39 make one Mar 11 05:11:13 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16445 Mar 11 05:11:14 hehe Mar 11 05:11:30 has anyone tried to see if the browser in the NIT works well in a dd-wrt config page? Mar 11 05:11:47 you mean webif^2 ? Mar 11 05:11:51 or something else? Mar 11 05:11:56 and thus w/ wi-vix Mar 11 05:12:05 s/vix/vis/ Mar 11 05:12:05 unixSnob meant: and thus w/ wi-vis Mar 11 05:12:23 not sure.. I don't know yet how to know what app I'm running Mar 11 05:12:31 there is no About menu choice Mar 11 05:12:43 :) Mar 11 05:12:52 and all these apps are named generically Mar 11 05:13:19 http://wiki.x-wrt.org/index.php/White_Russian_Presentation Mar 11 05:13:46 x-wrt isn't the same as dd-wrt, i don't think Mar 11 05:19:15 anyone use kagu media player? Mar 11 05:23:35 re Mar 11 05:25:35 damn i wished canola worked, its the only interface i can use while on the road, the others have too small buttons Mar 11 05:26:31 * texel wishes canola would pick up MP3s and OGGs other than the default system ones... O.o Mar 11 05:26:45 Which brings up a rather interesting question: does canola use metacrawler at all? Mar 11 05:26:47 medialibraries suck! Mar 11 05:26:56 s/metacrawler/metalayer-crawler/ Mar 11 05:26:57 texel meant: Which brings up a rather interesting question: does canola use metalayer-crawler at all? Mar 11 05:26:58 they dont when you drive Mar 11 05:27:36 Eh. Mar 11 05:27:43 Depends on how your personal tastes are. Mar 11 05:27:47 ? Mar 11 05:27:58 Quite frankly, I'd rather have the software organize my music for me rather than do it all by hand. Mar 11 05:28:12 Some people don't like libraries -- I was one of them for the longest time. Mar 11 05:28:24 i tried ukmp and kagu. ukmp, i dont like how the shuffling works, plus its hard to see the title of the song Mar 11 05:28:32 kagu, i hate making playlsit, i just need a shuffle all option Mar 11 05:28:49 Then I got really busy and didn't have /time/ to be crazy particular to maintain the organization of my music myself. Mar 11 05:29:26 actually, xmms was nice, just the always on top bug bothered me Mar 11 05:29:38 texel: it's easy Mar 11 05:29:46 simply don't put all mp3s in one dir Mar 11 05:29:47 ;) Mar 11 05:30:10 clin: it can be a feature ;) Mar 11 05:30:19 which one? Mar 11 05:30:25 always on top Mar 11 05:30:52 no its not Mar 11 05:30:56 i thought so too Mar 11 05:31:02 but turning it on or off does nothing Mar 11 05:31:06 its a bug i think Mar 11 05:31:12 minimization doesn't work? Mar 11 05:31:28 thats a bug too Mar 11 05:31:37 it minimizes to nowhere Mar 11 05:31:38 haha Mar 11 05:31:43 hildonization Mar 11 05:31:48 simple to fix Mar 11 05:32:00 maybe for you :P Mar 11 05:32:04 sometimes it's enough to create xmms.desktop file Mar 11 05:32:13 no recompiling necessary Mar 11 05:32:14 :P Mar 11 05:40:13 http://gizmodo.com/351518/vista-box-needs-instructions-to-open Mar 11 05:40:14 lol Mar 11 05:40:34 lol Mar 11 05:41:59 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86816 Mar 11 05:42:00 lol2 Mar 11 05:46:19 lol Mar 11 05:46:28 why are people so stupid :( Mar 11 05:46:45 that's ok, as long they can be milked Mar 11 05:46:52 it's even better then Mar 11 05:55:24 now whenever someone asks for help in #macosx, I say.. "that depends.. are you running a hackintosh.. we can only answer your problem if you're not running hackintosh" Mar 11 05:55:30 I need a bot to do that for me Mar 11 05:55:35 pf. Mar 11 05:55:41 just to rub that shit in Mar 11 05:55:48 won't work Mar 11 05:55:58 and you will get banned Mar 11 05:55:59 :> Mar 11 05:56:36 why should I get banned? I'm making sure the rules are being followed, right ;) Mar 11 05:56:47 it's your fault, your actions made you impure and for that you shall pay xD Mar 11 05:56:48 I'm on the right side of the rules ;) Mar 11 05:58:11 I'll get the bot to say "/me writes from his hackintosh" before I quote the rule xD Mar 11 05:59:57 bye Mar 11 06:04:14 streaming TV on the N800 is so neat Mar 11 06:04:42 and eats your battery like crazy Mar 11 06:05:34 don't matter... worse case, I'll put my 12V 17AH battery in a backpack and.... :) Mar 11 06:05:48 :) Mar 11 06:06:23 only way it could be better is if it had NTSC/TV out Mar 11 06:06:47 yeah, 'look at all this device features! and how small it is! - what do you have in that backpack? - a battery for it' Mar 11 06:06:48 :) Mar 11 06:07:45 it looks like I can do at least 1 to 1.5 hours per charge Mar 11 06:07:54 more Mar 11 06:08:00 and with an external pack the size of the 800, it'll double that Mar 11 06:08:07 more Mar 11 06:08:08 :) Mar 11 06:08:10 so it isn't that horrible Mar 11 06:08:34 internal batt is 3.7V 1.5Ah Mar 11 06:08:52 3xAA will give you additional 2.5-3Ah Mar 11 06:08:53 :) Mar 11 06:08:58 those small 2.5" LCDs TV with 4AA's don't last that long either Mar 11 06:09:25 not really unless, alkalines have too high of an internal resistance to give you that full charge Mar 11 06:09:37 not alkalines Mar 11 06:09:44 rechargeable Mar 11 06:09:49 akkus Mar 11 06:09:50 NiMHs are about 2.2Ah Mar 11 06:09:51 :) Mar 11 06:09:56 more Mar 11 06:10:10 i have bough 2.5Ah few months ago in riteaid Mar 11 06:10:10 :) Mar 11 06:10:21 that's labeled, measure it! Mar 11 06:10:26 i agree Mar 11 06:10:28 :) Mar 11 06:10:38 but those were duracells Mar 11 06:10:54 also depends on your charger but regardless Mar 11 06:10:58 so i suspect nothing more than 10% off Mar 11 06:11:26 2.5 - 0.25 = 2.25Ah... didn't I say about 2.2Ah? :) Mar 11 06:11:35 but still, 2.2Ah is ~1.5 more than internal battery Mar 11 06:12:12 but then you loose another 10% or so going through the charger circuit Mar 11 06:12:17 and 3xAA isn't too big physically Mar 11 06:12:36 3xAA can't charge directly, you'll have to step it up to 5.5V so that's another 10% there Mar 11 06:12:52 just add fourth then Mar 11 06:12:53 :) Mar 11 06:12:55 all considered, it is about the capacity of the internal cell Mar 11 06:13:02 so no stepping up Mar 11 06:13:08 4.8V won't charge, I tried Mar 11 06:13:16 hum? Mar 11 06:13:19 weird Mar 11 06:13:34 seem to be common to most "recent" Nokia devices Mar 11 06:14:30 5xAA's might do it but donno what's the upper tolerance Mar 11 06:14:32 wierd... 1 Li-ion cell is 3.7v Mar 11 06:14:59 or mebbe it's 2 cells in series, which would be 7.4v Mar 11 06:15:00 may be some control circuit? Mar 11 06:15:16 sxpert: charger is 5V Mar 11 06:15:21 (rated) Mar 11 06:15:33 think so. plugging in 5V causes it to see a charger but then it puts up a message saying "Not Charging" Mar 11 06:15:52 it's not exactly 5. Mar 11 06:15:57 i know Mar 11 06:15:59 it's more like 5.1 our 5.2 Mar 11 06:16:01 or something Mar 11 06:16:12 for me the threshold seems to be 5.5V Mar 11 06:16:30 anyone with variable dc supply? Mar 11 06:16:31 :> Mar 11 06:16:34 then putting in 6 volts should do Mar 11 06:16:55 should if it doesn't burn out ;) Mar 11 06:17:18 and that's a possibility.. Mar 11 06:17:21 there are specs for the charging voltage available from Nokia Mar 11 06:17:36 Tama^3: got link? Mar 11 06:18:03 will not be easy to find it again, I will try. hold on Mar 11 06:18:44 didn't think they made that info public Mar 11 06:19:06 alternatively, you can hack up a car charger :-) Mar 11 06:19:16 assuming it works Mar 11 06:19:23 the dollar store Nokia chargers don't charge Mar 11 06:19:26 hopefully, they'll switch to USB charging at some point Mar 11 06:20:49 * KotCzarny imagines connecting 2 nokias together Mar 11 06:20:56 'hey, you're sucking my battery!' Mar 11 06:20:57 ;) Mar 11 06:21:05 a direct solar charger or a crank charger would be nice Mar 11 06:21:47 I believe there are chinese crank or solar chargers for nokia phones... Mar 11 06:22:41 the lack of transreflective LCD does hamper the solar charging a bit :/ Mar 11 06:23:05 haha... integrating the charger in the screen. now that's an idea Mar 11 06:23:28 no, using a solar charger means you have to be outside... Mar 11 06:23:28 ds3: n810 has transreflective lcd Mar 11 06:23:52 KotCzarny: i am not giving up my 2 full size SD slots! Mar 11 06:23:55 :> Mar 11 06:23:57 i know Mar 11 06:24:04 it's inferios to n800 Mar 11 06:24:14 inferior Mar 11 06:24:51 * sxpert likes the 810 better Mar 11 06:24:57 cannot find it arrgh Mar 11 06:25:03 doesn't care much for 2 slots anyways Mar 11 06:25:06 also from what i have read n810 screen isn't that nice in the sun Mar 11 06:25:06 i really need to finish up setting up printing Mar 11 06:25:17 Tama^3: thanks for trying Mar 11 06:25:19 and without sun the colors are 'washed' Mar 11 06:25:28 KotCzarny, works for me in the car Mar 11 06:25:39 wonder if there is a hack for microb to add a printing option... Mar 11 06:25:45 probably Mar 11 06:25:46 :) Mar 11 06:25:56 tried pressing ctrl-p ? Mar 11 06:25:57 :) Mar 11 06:25:57 i really hate the maemo/hildon file chooser Mar 11 06:26:18 KotCzarny: ho do you add Alt to the list of shortcuts on xterm? Mar 11 06:26:20 takes way too long to build list of subdirectory entries Mar 11 06:26:28 i tried putting in Alt as the value but it didn't work Mar 11 06:26:41 hmmm... still can't post stuff from a bluetooth phone to a web site... Mar 11 06:26:42 Tama, just curious about that "3" in your handle.. what does that mean? Mar 11 06:26:54 that bug is erh, 2 years old Mar 11 06:27:06 gives some stupid obex error of some kind Mar 11 06:27:11 clin: i don't use xterm Mar 11 06:27:16 bah Mar 11 06:27:21 ..yet Mar 11 06:27:22 :) Mar 11 06:27:36 unixSnob: nothing Tama was already taken, I registered Tama^2 and tama^3 is a backup Mar 11 06:27:49 ah Mar 11 06:28:31 I guess I'm just a perv.. I thought that was code for 'i have big tits' sorry, no offense Mar 11 06:28:47 that nokia's charger issue is a drag Mar 11 06:28:48 lol, none taken Mar 11 06:28:51 checked in case you were right... no, ctrl-p does not do it :P Mar 11 06:28:57 they did it on purpose :/ Mar 11 06:29:12 ds3: hack in opera? Mar 11 06:29:14 :) Mar 11 06:29:38 how does opera help? Mar 11 06:29:41 also how did you do ctrl-p ? Mar 11 06:29:55 the obvious way :P Mar 11 06:30:05 external kb? Mar 11 06:30:06 :) Mar 11 06:30:15 of course Mar 11 06:30:21 hah. Mar 11 06:31:22 it would be so nice to have a little portable printer to print coupons from website while at the store Mar 11 06:33:05 ds3: btw. is any kind of a printing supported? Mar 11 06:33:06 :> Mar 11 06:33:20 i believe lp(r) is not installed Mar 11 06:33:33 KotCzarny: I just need it to be able to generate a PS file Mar 11 06:34:13 got ghostscript installed so it should just be a matter of doing something like gs -sOuputFile=/dev/ttyUSB0 -sDEVICE=foo /tmp/file.ps Mar 11 06:37:20 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16201 Mar 11 06:37:21 nice Mar 11 06:37:46 well I'll be damned Mar 11 06:37:51 * doc|home did not know those Mar 11 06:37:56 * KotCzarny too Mar 11 06:38:44 * Tama^3 tries them out immediately Mar 11 06:38:45 heh, i bet like < 1% of tablet users know that Mar 11 06:38:50 that could be annoying Mar 11 06:39:20 what if you realize you didn't want to tap a letter.. dragging it far is an intuitive way to ditch it Mar 11 06:39:38 unixsnob: how many times have you did that? Mar 11 06:39:43 ie. happened to you? Mar 11 06:40:16 by the way, I talked to some plastics people about getting styluses made. You're looking at $1000+ just to have a mould made Mar 11 06:40:23 well, between one and two Mar 11 06:40:40 not yet.. but I do like the feature Mar 11 06:40:48 huh Mar 11 06:40:53 You really have to drag far to get the behavior Mar 11 06:41:03 doc: i'v got my stylus back, fortunatelly Mar 11 06:41:07 doc|home: what do you want to do that is different? Mar 11 06:41:26 ds3: actually acquire styluses :) Mar 11 06:41:38 :) Mar 11 06:41:43 okay Mar 11 06:41:51 they're practically impossible to get Mar 11 06:41:55 in north america anyway Mar 11 06:42:17 you need one that fits the holder? cuz I saw some at the dollar store Mar 11 06:42:29 fits and locks there Mar 11 06:42:30 :) Mar 11 06:42:38 ds3: that fit? Mar 11 06:42:40 any pymaemo, pygst developers here? does Example 2.1 need any modification before it can be played on OS20007? http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html Mar 11 06:42:40 it's no fun losing them again :> Mar 11 06:42:51 doc|home: fit in the holder Mar 11 06:42:58 ds3: right, and actually lock in? Mar 11 06:43:08 *OS2007 Mar 11 06:43:22 I lost one and the dog chewed another, so I filed that one down. It's usable but falls out :/ Mar 11 06:43:45 doc: but after you got the mould it would be cheap? Mar 11 06:44:11 KotCzarny: yeah, but hardly worth it. Not sure I'd get my money back Mar 11 06:44:22 for just a one or two off, you can probally get them made for around $100-$200 a each..cheaper then a mould Mar 11 06:44:23 I ain't paying a grand for a couple of styluses :) Mar 11 06:44:23 you need to find 99 people then Mar 11 06:44:24 :> Mar 11 06:44:33 10$ per stylus isn't that bad Mar 11 06:44:49 or you can just carry one of those multipens with a stylus Mar 11 06:45:11 200$ will get you used n800 Mar 11 06:45:16 with 2 styluses Mar 11 06:45:16 ;) Mar 11 06:45:19 heh Mar 11 06:45:39 but for $200, it can be custom made, engraved with your name :) Mar 11 06:46:00 of silver Mar 11 06:46:08 or titan Mar 11 06:46:09 pure .999 silver Mar 11 06:46:23 man, how pissed would you be losing that? Mar 11 06:46:24 or $1600 would get you a new n800 Mar 11 06:46:33 doc: not much Mar 11 06:46:42 it's still cheap Mar 11 06:46:47 but gold.. Mar 11 06:46:52 Kot- actually a new n800 is $190 (mine was) Mar 11 06:47:02 unix: mine was 150$ Mar 11 06:47:04 :) Mar 11 06:47:05 heh Mar 11 06:47:18 doh! Mar 11 06:47:21 where? Mar 11 06:47:21 (: Mar 11 06:47:25 on craiglist Mar 11 06:47:55 and i got it with screen protector (and 9 of them unused) Mar 11 06:47:59 and wiping cloth Mar 11 06:48:01 :> Mar 11 06:49:12 * unixSnob heads to craigslist to see how many are priced like that Mar 11 06:50:17 $250 looks like the norm on craigslist Mar 11 06:50:39 yeah, but often it's a matter of luck Mar 11 06:50:47 or just haggling Mar 11 06:52:02 damn i gotta get to sleep. this IRC is responsible for keeping me up till 2am.. gotta control that Mar 11 06:52:10 :) Mar 11 06:52:21 cut you network line? Mar 11 06:52:46 where did you get an n800 for $150/$190? Mar 11 06:52:47 I should be able to control this.. I've just been off irc for a decade, and just got on again this past month Mar 11 06:52:56 liri: on craiglist Mar 11 06:53:03 and 190 are on froogle Mar 11 06:53:04 For $190, I went to macmall.com Mar 11 06:53:13 But the macmall price fluctuates Mar 11 06:53:47 The shelf price has been up and down.. it's like they can't decide whether to treat it as obsolete or not Mar 11 06:54:00 Since n810 is not a direct upgrade Mar 11 06:55:06 http://www.shopstormcomputer.com/ssproduct.asp?pf_id=1010846905 Mar 11 06:55:10 u folks know how long till the wifi goes to sleep? does wifi sleep when the lcd does? Mar 11 06:55:11 ahh nice Mar 11 06:55:14 here you have one for 186 Mar 11 06:55:38 why do they call it a navigation kit? Mar 11 06:55:40 unix: it sleeps when there's no data moving over it Mar 11 06:55:46 erm Mar 11 06:55:48 sorry Mar 11 06:55:50 wrong link Mar 11 06:55:51 :) Mar 11 06:55:55 heh Mar 11 06:56:23 http://www.superdigitalmedia.com/product_info.php?products_id=2156 Mar 11 06:56:28 here's one for 181 Mar 11 06:56:30 171 Mar 11 06:56:37 but they don't list if it's in stock Mar 11 06:57:09 A minimum order amount of $USD 500 is required in order to checkout. Mar 11 06:57:10 lol Mar 11 06:57:18 madness Mar 11 06:57:38 but i guess one can take 3 of them Mar 11 06:57:44 and simply sell them off Mar 11 06:57:45 ;) Mar 11 06:58:53 that site looks like a scam Mar 11 06:59:07 probably Mar 11 06:59:18 that's why i like CL Mar 11 06:59:19 :) Mar 11 06:59:30 CL? Mar 11 06:59:37 craigslist Mar 11 06:59:39 ah Mar 11 07:00:01 well this is no good, I seem to have lost an email :( Mar 11 07:00:30 no backup in sent/trash ? Mar 11 07:01:34 seems not :/ Mar 11 07:03:11 Canon EOS 40D SLR Digital Camera Body Only $828.00 Mar 11 07:03:20 there is zero chance of that site being legit Mar 11 07:03:29 hehe Mar 11 07:04:14 btw. 200-250 seems to be the shopping mall price for a n800 Mar 11 07:05:57 http://www.overstockdealz.com/products.asp?id=N800&referer=google Mar 11 07:06:03 here's one for 210 Mar 11 07:06:50 I got mine for 260 CAD or so Mar 11 07:07:06 and that was after price matching Mar 11 07:07:36 i have stalked CL for a few months Mar 11 07:07:49 originally wanted any of them, even 770 Mar 11 07:07:51 :> Mar 11 07:08:14 but then prices for n800 have fallen Mar 11 07:08:15 :> Mar 11 07:08:55 I'm wondering Mar 11 07:09:02 what do you use the n800 for mainly? Mar 11 07:09:10 fun Mar 11 07:10:07 liri: sitting in a cafe reading news articles after work. Reading emails sometimes. It has a funky mpd client which, when mpd hasn't shat itself, is useful for when I'm in bed and don't want to get out. And mahjong :o Mar 11 07:10:34 are you using it more for home-use or do you find it useful on the road as well? (I'm saying on the road cause in active use it only lasts 3 hours which isn't a whole lot) Mar 11 07:10:52 what's mpd doc? Mar 11 07:10:54 yeah, that's one thing I wish it had, usb charging :/ Mar 11 07:11:13 liri: media player daemon. Means I can control my computer's music from the n800 Mar 11 07:11:30 ahh Mar 11 07:12:52 I'm actually more excited about the possibility of developing some pygtk apps for it Mar 11 07:12:55 more than anything else Mar 11 07:13:04 :) Mar 11 07:13:13 as i said 'fun factor' Mar 11 07:13:27 yeah Mar 11 07:13:48 though I'm wondering how relatively easy it would be to get started with some nice apps Mar 11 07:54:51 has anyone seen their Airport Extremes die on a regular basis when an N8x0 starts using the network? Mar 11 07:55:01 how to fix this error on N800? http://pastebin.ca/937860 Mar 11 08:00:54 mbus: basically it says you it has alread parts of it installed Mar 11 08:01:54 but i don't know.. Mar 11 08:01:58 KotCzarny, it conflicts with some plugins-bad, i think? Mar 11 08:02:25 KotCzarny, but, if i apt-get remove it, it says, it is not installed! Mar 11 08:02:33 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Mar 11 08:02:35 :) Mar 11 08:02:46 try running apt-get update Mar 11 08:03:09 KotCzarny, have done that many a time now Mar 11 08:03:13 hum Mar 11 08:03:31 KotCzarny, do you use OS2007? Mar 11 08:03:54 nope, 2008 Mar 11 08:04:15 KotCzarny, ohh, is it possible for you test this Example 2.1, and see if it works or not? http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html Mar 11 08:04:18 isn't 2007 a 'bora' ? Mar 11 08:07:34 ok, i'm off to sleep Mar 11 08:18:43 KotCzarny, yes, 2007 is Bora Mar 11 08:19:05 so why are you using repo for mistral? Mar 11 08:35:24 morning Mar 11 08:46:58 Morning, all Mar 11 08:47:21 hello Mar 11 08:47:33 morning Mar 11 08:50:33 johnx: I fear the card is pretty knackered, using dd (with sync, notrunc, etc.) or ddrescue produces a file which is ~750Mb. The original one I dd'd (with no options) was closer to 900Mb Mar 11 08:59:41 morning all Mar 11 09:02:49 does os2008 use hal to mount mass-storage devices? Mar 11 09:34:34 is there a version of abiword for OS 2008? Mar 11 09:35:01 the one I found won't install, so I assume it's for OS 2007 or earlier Mar 11 09:35:13 http://www.abisource.com/downloads/abiword/2.3.4/Linux/Maemo/abiword_2.3.4-1maemo1_arm.deb Mar 11 09:40:21 ntfs read/write works nicely, just need to make the os mount it automatically Mar 11 09:40:37 Hi, my N800 doesnt connect to my Ericsson k800i through bluetooth Mar 11 09:40:59 anyone know where I should look to solve it? Mar 11 09:42:04 the future Mar 11 09:42:10 * timely sees it working in +3yrs Mar 11 09:42:27 hrm, not sure how good my distance vision is, in fact, i need glasses :) Mar 11 09:42:52 alternatively, you could grab the bluez source code and hack it until it works :) Mar 11 09:43:28 hugolp: using gnokii? Mar 11 09:43:56 seems ui responsiveness is a big thing atm Mar 11 09:44:04 I'm not too bothered about app startup time (it's good enough), but the web browser starts up and just sits there apparently doing nothing; that annoys me Mar 11 09:49:36 lardman: using the N800 bluetooth config application Mar 11 09:49:41 dont know whats gnokii Mar 11 09:52:06 lardman: the web browser has two pieces Mar 11 09:52:16 the ui which is very fast to load, and gecko, which is not as fast (by far) Mar 11 09:52:39 atm they're not really parallelized, hopefully they will be Mar 11 09:54:28 hugolp: ah ok, was wondering if it was bluetooth related or the protocol ontop to do things (send sms, etc.) Mar 11 09:54:53 timely: all it needs is a notification saying that it's doing something (IMO) Mar 11 09:55:09 lardman: um, i thought it had a useless one "updating" Mar 11 09:55:27 hmm, if so it must be displayed quite late Mar 11 09:55:34 I'll have to take another look Mar 11 09:55:59 lardman: I think its the protocol, cause it accepts the internet access but then the phone asks me to accept N800 as controller and then fails Mar 11 09:56:11 lardman: any idea where to look to solve this? Mar 11 09:56:21 "controller"? Mar 11 09:56:30 did you mark it as trusted in bluetooth in the phone? Mar 11 09:56:35 hugolp: no idea, sorry Mar 11 09:56:47 timely: yes, I marked it as trusted Mar 11 09:56:59 should I try untrusted? Mar 11 09:57:12 no :) Mar 11 09:58:32 ok, this is weird, now they connect but the phone wants to act as a remote control Mar 11 09:58:50 updating is displayed briefly, if there is no connectivity no message is displayed while the connection is started Mar 11 09:59:25 I'll have to do some more testing when my wifi connection actually starts working. Mar 11 09:59:42 lardman: what connection? Mar 11 09:59:47 out of the box, the homepage is local **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 11 09:59:56 2008