**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 11 09:59:56 2008 Mar 11 09:59:57 ah, my apologies Mar 11 10:00:05 talking about starting something from the bookmark menu Mar 11 10:00:23 the top "world" item on the LHS Mar 11 10:01:46 ok, now it connects but only as a remote control Mar 11 10:02:01 I just want to have internet on the N800 Mar 11 10:03:01 does you phone support the correct profile? Mar 11 10:03:30 lardman: yes, I have configured internet bluetooth account Mar 11 10:03:31 DUN I suppose Mar 11 10:03:34 so Im guessing it does Mar 11 10:03:41 its the Ericsson k800i Mar 11 10:04:11 quite new so it ought to Mar 11 10:04:29 dunno then Mar 11 10:04:34 lardman: yes in the N800 device details it says Supported profiles: DUN, FTP, HID,OPP,SPP Mar 11 10:05:01 its weird cause when the N800 tries to connect its only posible to act as a remote control Mar 11 10:05:09 and when the phone tries to connect it fails Mar 11 10:05:27 who didnt heard about respecting standards here? Mar 11 10:05:29 .... Mar 11 10:05:55 On one of my phones, I had to click yes to enable each different feature when the N800 asked for it Mar 11 10:06:17 do it asked if it would be allowed to access the internet, use serial link, be a remote control, etc. Mar 11 10:06:31 I wonder if the settings on the phone preclude this for some reason Mar 11 10:06:51 lardman: I clicked yes to the internet Mar 11 10:06:56 it was the first question Mar 11 10:07:21 ok, back to my standard response then ;): dunno Mar 11 10:07:25 bbiab Mar 11 10:08:22 for their reputation Im guessing its Sony who didnt heard about standards Mar 11 10:09:31 well, it worked immediately on my SE m600i Mar 11 10:09:43 i was pleasantly surprised :) Mar 11 10:10:18 hello what are tahvo and retu devices? Mar 11 10:21:37 thux: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ Mar 11 10:56:08 hello everybody Mar 11 10:56:22 I have just discovered Meamo project :d Mar 11 10:56:27 any maemo mapper user? Mar 11 11:03:54 yep Mar 11 11:04:46 hi lardman Mar 11 11:05:17 hi doktoreas, what did you want to know? Mar 11 11:06:03 lardman, just for knowing with maemo map is there an option to create preset tags Mar 11 11:06:17 and then assign them to each track you recorded? Mar 11 11:06:52 hmm, I don't know about that I'm afraid Mar 11 11:07:12 ok np Mar 11 11:22:57 so I installed ogg support, and now I keep getting random snippets of german navigation instructions played at me :) Is the recommended solution for this 'install a media player that lets you choose where your music is'? (any recommendations?) Mar 11 11:24:25 denny: there's a workaround for that.. Mar 11 11:25:02 denny: that's the ogg map voices Mar 11 11:25:05 you could remove the ;-) Mar 11 11:25:21 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/category/maemo/ Mar 11 11:26:20 timely: thanks ;) Mar 11 11:26:21 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/message.php?msg_id=4089 Mar 11 11:26:40 there's an ugly hack to remove them from the metalayer crawler's Library Mar 11 11:27:24 you said that in your blog ;-) Mar 11 11:28:04 yep, I was looking for the link but couldn't find it until you posted it ;) Mar 11 11:28:20 oh, and I tried to install Skype last night and it said it couldn't install as it had conflicts and might screw the system - any idea what that might be about? Mar 11 11:28:41 I don't have anything particularly weird installed... couple of games from maemo.org, ogg support, mapper, I think that's it Mar 11 11:28:55 * denny reads the links Mar 11 11:29:03 denny: there are ~3 different ways to try to get skype Mar 11 11:29:12 and are you using the latest os2008 or an earlier one Mar 11 11:29:20 if you aren't using the latest, upgrade. Mar 11 11:30:29 I have whatever came on the 810 when I bought it last week Mar 11 11:31:02 I tried to install it via the my selection -> skype menu option Mar 11 11:31:18 denny: did you upgrade the os2008 to the latest version? Mar 11 11:31:48 denny: afaik, the devices in stores are likely to have an old version of the os Mar 11 11:31:58 go to the nokia download site and grab the updater Mar 11 11:32:10 hokay Mar 11 11:32:32 is that going to flash it clean, or will it leave installed apps and settings as they are? Mar 11 11:33:59 settings can be backuped and restored quite nicely Mar 11 11:34:08 Hello Mar 11 11:34:09 with applications it's a bit harder as there is a bug.. Mar 11 11:34:47 denny: you need to deny restoring the apps in next boot after the flash, enable the extras repo in Application Manager and then restore the apps Mar 11 11:35:07 fun. Mar 11 11:35:19 think I'll leave that until I have some spare time then :) Mar 11 11:35:34 hrm, I can't install modest either Mar 11 11:35:36 same error as skype Mar 11 11:35:37 * denny sulks Mar 11 11:43:02 denny: iirc, that's indeed because you have an older OS2008 version Mar 11 11:43:09 it'll work after an upgrade Mar 11 11:45:23 I guess I should go buy a data card for this thing at some point Mar 11 11:45:34 I ordered the wrong size with it :) Mar 11 11:45:39 never mind, made my digicam happy Mar 11 11:46:28 * aquatix has a 4GB minisd, and ordered 2 microsd -> minisd converters at dealextreme.com Mar 11 11:46:42 as they make larger capacity microsd's than minisd's Mar 11 11:47:09 timely: two last os2008 releases were same Mar 11 11:47:20 I meant to buy a MicroSD (after reading an incorrect review on the site I bought the tablet from) but misread the page and actually bought a full size SD card Mar 11 11:47:22 double fail :) Mar 11 11:47:24 timely: .51.3 only changed bootloader - rootfs was the same Mar 11 11:48:14 how do I find out what I have? Mar 11 11:48:58 denny: control panel - there is 'about device' or sth like that Mar 11 11:49:42 Version: 1.2007.42-19 Mar 11 11:50:04 2.2007.50-2 Mar 11 11:53:10 we're a major version apart? Mar 11 11:53:35 I can't find any MiniSD cards over 2GB, but I can find MicroSD at 4GB Mar 11 11:53:38 that seems odd Mar 11 11:54:06 denny: 50-2 and 51-3 were last releases - upgrade Mar 11 11:54:37 * denny nods Mar 11 11:54:39 so I've been told :) Mar 11 11:54:45 yeah, there's a big difference between 42 and 50. And some rare boot fix in 51 (iirc) Mar 11 11:54:55 seems like a job for when I have (a) some time, and (b) a powe adaptor Mar 11 11:54:57 *power Mar 11 11:55:46 kulve: 51 had important boot fix yes Mar 11 11:55:59 kulve: my n810 finally works Mar 11 11:56:00 mine boots just fine ;) Mar 11 11:56:10 mine now too Mar 11 11:56:24 with 51-3 nolo and 50-2 based rootfs Mar 11 11:58:34 denny: i got my 4GB minisd at amazon.com Mar 11 11:59:18 yeah, just looking at their .co.uk now Mar 11 11:59:28 I try to avoid buying from them though - the old patent thing Mar 11 11:59:31 * denny bears grudges :) Mar 11 11:59:35 heheh Mar 11 11:59:47 myeah, bought my n810 in the us, and got a minisd with it Mar 11 12:00:04 as the device doesn't sell here in the netherlands yet Mar 11 12:00:08 or at least didn't at that moment Mar 11 12:00:36 denny: microsd -> minisd adapters are about 1 euro at dealextreme.com Mar 11 12:00:51 so i bought 2 [free shipping anyway] Mar 11 12:01:05 so i can buy an 8GB microsd or something Mar 11 12:03:07 howcome microsd has higher capacity than minisd, that doesn't seem to make sense Mar 11 12:03:23 well, minisd isn't just used anymore Mar 11 12:03:30 all cellphones and such use microsd Mar 11 12:03:39 and digicams and such use normal sd Mar 11 12:03:47 why didn't they put microsd in the tablet then? Mar 11 12:03:53 [of course, sdhc versions of it all, but whatev'] Mar 11 12:03:58 dunno Mar 11 12:04:03 microsd is freaking tiny :) Mar 11 12:04:09 yeah, full size SD in the tablet would have been nice - I read the forums about it though, they ran out of space it seems Mar 11 12:04:15 i prefer having a microsd card in an adapter to carry with me Mar 11 12:04:16 shame Mar 11 12:04:28 fullsize would've been cool though indeed Mar 11 12:04:31 yeah Mar 11 12:05:54 bottom part of n810 is not thick enough to use SD slot probably Mar 11 12:06:02 same with microUSB instead of miniUSB Mar 11 12:06:16 at least it is not nokiaUSB connector... Mar 11 12:07:36 * denny eyes the ogg instructions Mar 11 12:07:42 these say stop the metacrawler as root Mar 11 12:07:45 maybe they had a whole bunch of mini-sdhc slots left over? Mar 11 12:07:49 the webpage I found about gaining root says sudo gainroot Mar 11 12:07:58 sudo gainroot says something about read errors and breaking my device :) Mar 11 12:08:08 denny: I use sshd to get the root access.. Mar 11 12:08:20 hrw: good point Mar 11 12:08:40 denny, use becomeroot, easyroot or install openssh and "ssh root@localhost" Mar 11 12:09:26 denny: i followed http://devnoob.blogspot.com/2008/01/root-access-on-nokia-n810.html Mar 11 12:09:35 ta Mar 11 12:09:36 using openssh indeed Mar 11 12:10:03 having ssh and sshd sounds useful anyway Mar 11 12:10:04 * denny installs Mar 11 12:10:14 indeed Mar 11 12:10:24 but be sure to follow their hints on changing the pw's :) Mar 11 12:10:25 I do most of my hacking by loggin in as ssh Mar 11 12:10:38 ..as root through ssh Mar 11 12:10:49 aquatix, it makes you set the password at install... Mar 11 12:11:09 * denny nods Mar 11 12:11:17 johnx: true Mar 11 12:11:24 but i disabled remote root too Mar 11 12:11:31 and added the sudo option Mar 11 12:11:33 ah, I like to live dangerously Mar 11 12:11:35 so i now just do sudo su - Mar 11 12:12:11 I drink milk from the carton, I remote login as root, and sometimes I don't wear matching socks :) Mar 11 12:12:33 the latter: bleh ;) Mar 11 12:13:17 :P Mar 11 12:13:27 you could also configure sshd to only allow root from localhost Mar 11 12:13:42 or set a good password and not worry about it too much Mar 11 12:13:57 myeah, i disable remote root on all my machines Mar 11 12:14:09 why risk an attack Mar 11 12:17:26 hi Mar 11 12:20:15 .... Mar 11 12:29:07 hrmph. Mar 11 12:29:12 denny@starbug ~ $ file .meta_storage Mar 11 12:29:13 .meta_storage: SQLite 3.x database Mar 11 12:29:13 denny@starbug ~ $ sqlite .meta_storage Mar 11 12:29:13 Unable to open database ".meta_storage": file is encrypted or is not a database Mar 11 12:29:56 denny: your sqlite is not sqlite3? Mar 11 12:30:06 indeed it probably isn't Mar 11 12:31:41 since the command line app for sqlite3 is called sqlite3. Mar 11 12:32:53 hah. Mar 11 12:32:54 thank you Mar 11 12:33:04 * denny repeats the apt-get install dance, with more success Mar 11 12:35:27 * denny reloads media player, finds joyful lack of navi voices Mar 11 12:35:33 thanks for your help :) Mar 11 12:36:43 if I would have the time I would create a small app to do that for you.. But I don't. Mar 11 13:23:15 Greetings. Mar 11 13:24:36 hi, it seems my n800 isn't connecting to google talk, does anybody had the same problem? Mar 11 13:25:01 the "chat status icon" only blinks in red and green and never connect Mar 11 13:27:16 mine just works Mar 11 13:27:34 henrique: Is internet connectivity generally ok? Mar 11 13:28:59 any maemo-mapper developers about? Mar 11 13:29:24 Tobotras, yes, I can access sites, just the IM doesn't works Mar 11 13:29:50 henrique: using pidgin or "native" chat client (forgot the name)? Mar 11 13:31:00 Tobotras, the native one Mar 11 13:35:28 henrique: nothing special then. Triple check account settings? :) Mar 11 13:38:33 Is there a command line interface to the LEDs? Mar 11 13:39:04 ccooke, dbus-send ;) Mar 11 13:39:07 although come to think of it, I could probably do everything in python/perl/whatever Mar 11 13:39:11 inz: oh, that's easy :-) Mar 11 13:39:25 Tobotras, is there some tip? I've just put my gmail account and my password, it is enough right? Mar 11 13:39:28 ccooke, depends a bit on how you want to use it Mar 11 13:39:40 inz: will that also allow you to pop up those notification messages that IM/mail clients do? Mar 11 13:39:43 henrique: should work Mar 11 13:40:00 ccooke, actually it does ;) Mar 11 13:40:19 ccooke, it won't, however, allow you to act when one is activated Mar 11 13:40:31 My reason is simple: I'm bored, and thus I'm contemplating creating a native irssi plugin for the chat functions... Mar 11 13:40:32 *very* strange Mar 11 13:40:40 inz: Drat. But a python script, say, could? Mar 11 13:40:50 Tobotras, we are talking about the maemo which comes with n800, right? Mar 11 13:41:01 ccooke, I think so, yes Mar 11 13:41:22 (if I get it working, I'll probably do a Mutt script, too ;-) Mar 11 13:42:00 basically, I want to see if I can get text-based IM and mail facilities the same integration as the GUI apps. Mar 11 13:42:05 It really should be possible Mar 11 13:43:04 irssi with a bitlbee server would easily do the job for every IM protocol I'm likely to use... mutt for email... Mar 11 13:44:19 henrique: erhm... I've installed upgrade, of course. You think there might be difference? Mar 11 13:44:42 Is there a recommended scripting language for maemo? Mar 11 13:44:55 Tobotras, should be the problem Mar 11 13:45:33 Tobotras, how can I do the upgrade? Mar 11 13:46:06 henrique: by following instructions on nokia site? :) Mar 11 13:46:37 ccooke: python probably Mar 11 13:47:14 ynezz: Mmm. Looks it, yeah Mar 11 13:47:22 I've been meaning to learn python. Mar 11 13:50:28 Tobotras, right Mar 11 14:29:09 slim is sexy Mar 11 14:29:27 sometimes Mar 11 14:29:29 ah stuck in scrollback Mar 11 14:29:38 (re N810 case) Mar 11 14:29:46 but sometimes having full body is sexy too Mar 11 14:29:47 ;) Mar 11 14:31:05 <||cw> slim != skinny Mar 11 14:32:28 pupnik: Which case is that? Mar 11 14:32:39 the unit itself Mar 11 14:32:43 ahhh Mar 11 14:32:46 it is nice. Mar 11 14:33:26 Does anyone read ebooks on their N800/N810 ? Mar 11 14:33:31 lol Mar 11 14:33:33 Any suggestion for software? Mar 11 14:33:41 evince, fbreader Mar 11 14:33:49 Hiya, KotCzarny. Morning. Mar 11 14:34:11 Thanks - I will research them both. Mar 11 14:34:57 btw. anyone used hidhspeed mmc mode? Mar 11 14:35:04 (kernel patch) Mar 11 14:35:52 fbreader was just what I was seeking Mar 11 14:37:02 desertc: FBreader is great. Mar 11 14:37:43 (I'm really pleased with the PDair aluminium case. Very solid, and I can read ebooks without opening the case :-) Mar 11 14:40:51 ccooke: Slashdot had a story on the trend to release ebooks without Digital Restriction Management, so I thought it might be a good time to look at reader software again, now that that annoying trend is passing. I really enjoyed my Franklin eBookReader back 8 years ago. Mar 11 14:41:18 http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/11/0633233 Mar 11 14:42:26 there are quite a few publishers who release DRM-free ebooks at very reasonable prices Mar 11 14:42:37 Baen releases almost everything they publish at paperback prices Mar 11 14:43:36 desertc: that's not ebooks - that's *audio* books. Mar 11 14:43:41 ccooke: You have one of these cases? http://www.pdair.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000089 Mar 11 14:43:48 It's still a good thing, mind Mar 11 14:44:45 Heh - you are right - audio books. Well, I guess I am a typical /. reader. Never read the articles - this one required a login. Aren't the comments the best part anyway? ;-) Mar 11 14:44:49 desertc: One of these: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000208&products_id=7317 Mar 11 14:45:24 desertc: ... the comments on slashdot? you *read* them? ;-) Mar 11 14:46:31 comments > stories Mar 11 14:46:40 Most of the time the comments are useful even when the article is garbage! Although, the quality has gone down hill so much in the last several years. Mar 11 14:47:08 desertc: I admit - I do sometimes read the comments. They (and the site itself) are just an easy target:-) Mar 11 14:47:10 Comments on Slashdotnare about the only thing worth reading.. Stories tend to lag other sources. Mar 11 14:48:00 Got a feel for which is which... for example, the article on Linux gaming. I have an interest in it. The article was garbage, but it was interesting to see /. readers still have lots of misconceptions on the topic. Mar 11 14:48:02 (And we'll skip talking about trolling via story summary...) Mar 11 14:49:00 Brains: I typically read the /. Old Story scroll - less annoying editor copy and more stories displayed per page. It is down right now, but I find it better than even the RSS feed. Mar 11 14:49:54 ccooke: That's a nice looking case. I was looking at my N800 screen yesterday wondering what I would do when the screen finally needs to get replaced. Mar 11 14:55:57 More on-topic, /. also had a story a few minutes ago how iPhone users are specifically prohibited from adding Firefox, VoIP software, and other applications. (Funny, I can't find the link now.) I don't think any N800 owner read that without feeling a bit more confident about their purchase. Mar 11 14:57:10 http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/08/03/11/1216211.shtml Mar 11 14:58:54 KotCzarny: Thanks again for your help. I'd better take my inane ramblings elsewhere! ;-) Mar 11 15:01:33 hi Mar 11 15:03:47 hi Mar 11 15:12:59 hi there Mar 11 15:13:07 are there any perl for maemo please ? Mar 11 15:14:21 you mean, just a perl interpreter? or perl bindings for hildon? Mar 11 15:14:51 both Mar 11 15:15:11 but only the interpreter would be good Mar 11 15:15:14 well perl is already on the device... Mar 11 15:15:19 so yes Mar 11 15:15:30 cool Mar 11 15:15:45 I think it's a dependency of dpkg or apt-get or something Mar 11 15:15:45 are there bindings for hildon ? Mar 11 15:15:52 ok Mar 11 15:15:58 happy to read this Mar 11 15:16:11 no hildon bindings are far as I know Mar 11 15:16:14 but I haven't looked Mar 11 15:16:32 ok, so i think, i'll try to stick with python Mar 11 15:17:08 im trying to make an ardour (http://ardour.org) controller with my n800 Mar 11 15:17:30 ah, that would be neat Mar 11 15:18:58 shame the perl bindings aren't there, you could have used gellyfish's module Mar 11 15:20:32 denny: ;) Mar 11 15:21:09 denny: You know him ? Mar 11 15:21:22 we've met a few times, yeah Mar 11 15:21:31 One of the best people I ever worked with Mar 11 15:21:36 perl conferences, that kind of thing Mar 11 15:21:47 we're both in London and on the london.pm irc channel Mar 11 15:21:53 or at least, I am when I'm not dying of deadline Mar 11 15:21:55 speaking of which... Mar 11 15:22:00 * denny is away: coding, honest. Mar 11 15:24:07 hey on my n810 if i want to update from 50-2 to 51-3 OS, can i do that without wiping my nokia? Mar 11 15:24:18 every time i've updated before i did a format, didn't know if that's necessary Mar 11 15:25:22 there should be a way in this case, nothing is changed except for nolo (the nokia bootloader) Mar 11 15:25:34 are you having the power on/off issue it fixes? Mar 11 15:25:48 no, i haven't had any power issues Mar 11 15:25:56 is that all it fixes? in that case i just wont bother Mar 11 15:27:00 yeah, everything else is the same. You can use a parameter to the Linux flasher to have it not flash the rootfs Mar 11 15:28:09 alright thx Mar 11 15:44:11 hey, i was trying to move maemo-mappers cache to my external card and I messed it all up, i ended up resetting the cache, now i only have openstreets as a repo, where do i get the others from? Mar 11 15:45:00 can somebody point me a good tutorial to start learning maemo development? And is there books already on this? Mar 11 15:45:37 books would probably be outdated Mar 11 15:45:42 nm me, im a doofus Mar 11 15:46:09 yeah I guess maemo is moving target Mar 11 15:46:40 aol_, this is the official tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html Mar 11 15:46:51 all right thanks Mar 11 15:49:21 When i create a binary with -fprofile-generate, should I add 'tweaking' flags like -funroll-loops to the intial build? Should I add them to the -fprofile-use stage? Or if I leave them out, will gcc decide optimally where and whether to use such flags? Mar 11 15:49:25 for e.g. flags like Mar 11 15:49:28 fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-addr -fforce-mem -falign-loops=2 -falign-functions=2 -falign-jumps=2 -funroll-loops Mar 11 15:50:14 hey Mar 11 15:50:19 does quim gill come in here? Mar 11 15:51:15 don't recall seeing him Mar 11 15:51:28 thanks Mar 11 15:59:15 yawn Mar 11 15:59:21 i'm sleepy Mar 11 16:25:29 hello everybody Mar 11 16:25:31 jsut back :D Mar 11 16:27:56 get to work KotCzarny Mar 11 16:28:04 i'm sleepy Mar 11 16:28:08 jhehe Mar 11 16:28:10 and have to do some non-comp work Mar 11 16:28:18 and i don't like it Mar 11 16:30:50 anyone using Maemo Mapper knows if it can be used with DGPS fix? Mar 11 16:32:25 I was wondering, do you have to subscribe to a service to get a GPS fix? Mar 11 16:32:41 Navi, no Mar 11 16:32:50 sweet Mar 11 16:33:19 Navi, are you using Maemo Mapper? Mar 11 16:33:25 Nah Mar 11 16:33:37 k Mar 11 16:34:59 Isn't a DGPS fix just a GPS fix with the GPS unit being slightly smarter? Mar 11 16:35:48 pupnik, that was one of the reasons keeping me from getting a receiver :D Mar 11 16:37:11 Navi: You're referring to just straight GPS reception? As in, do you need to pay the US department of defense to use GPS? Mar 11 16:38:42 * Navi nods Mar 11 16:39:55 <||cw> not sure where you got the impression that you would need to pay Mar 11 16:40:03 Navi: Do you have a job? Have you ever looked at your W2 statement? That's where you pay. :) Mar 11 16:40:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=106408&postcount=16 Mar 11 16:40:12 hehe Mar 11 16:40:14 Heh Mar 11 16:40:17 ga being scorned Mar 11 16:40:17 :> Mar 11 16:40:31 ||cw: The European GPS alternative includes subscription services as one of the options. Mar 11 16:40:46 DGPS is better Mar 11 16:40:49 <||cw> bhima: yes, and that's been a big deal because the US's is free Mar 11 16:40:58 <||cw> and is available in many parts of the world Mar 11 16:41:19 USA has "WAAS" and Europe has "EGNOS" systems Mar 11 16:41:40 this is done by satellite, so the correction signal comes from dedicated satellite Mar 11 16:41:49 instead of the normal radio beacon approach Mar 11 16:42:46 should be no problem to use maemo software (or any else) with DGPS fix Mar 11 16:42:54 <||cw> radio beacon is for local correction to improve accuracy, accuracythat most people don't need Mar 11 16:43:06 <||cw> do i care if it says in the right or left hand lane? Mar 11 16:43:09 since in NMEA protocol it's just one parameter will be 2 instead of 1 .... Mar 11 16:43:47 ||cw: depends on software. for me it's _very_ important Mar 11 16:44:00 look my project at http://www.racechrono.com :) Mar 11 16:44:07 <||cw> yes, and for those in which it is important, they pay to install a local beacon Mar 11 16:44:24 not really feasible solution Mar 11 16:44:36 a bit black and white approach there Mar 11 16:44:50 <||cw> I see, interesting project Mar 11 16:45:37 WAAS and EGNOS "satellite DGPS" are excellent for that Mar 11 16:45:44 and use of them is free Mar 11 16:45:54 you need just receiver that supports them Mar 11 16:46:04 aol_, but is it possible right now using DGPS with meamo mapper? Mar 11 16:46:23 i need to buy the whole system Mar 11 16:46:32 doktoreas: well if you have receiver that supports WAAS or EGNOS depending which continent you live, yes Mar 11 16:46:45 nokia and receiver Mar 11 16:46:50 nice Mar 11 16:46:53 look at the specs Mar 11 16:46:55 yep we have EGNOS Mar 11 16:47:10 its not as accurate as radio beacon, but its better than without anything Mar 11 16:47:30 <||cw> anything that speaks NMEA to the host can work with maemo mapper Mar 11 16:47:33 thx for the info Mar 11 16:47:50 aol_, any suggestion for receiver? Mar 11 16:47:58 doktoreas: sorry not really Mar 11 16:48:26 I have tried some MTK chipset ones and it works after sending the chipset some commands Mar 11 16:48:35 but not all receivers accept any commans Mar 11 16:48:42 I thought I'd read that WAAS and EGNOS used the same or similar protocols and were easy to get on one receiver. Mar 11 16:48:45 the command was to enable "EGNOS test satellites" Mar 11 16:49:09 atleast in finland you need that to be able to use EGNOS (probably the only official satellite can not be seen from here) Mar 11 16:49:16 but test satellites work well Mar 11 16:49:38 hasn't egnos go official already? Mar 11 16:49:48 bhima: they are pretty similar but for some reason you need a receiver that supports the right one Mar 11 16:50:46 aol_: They use the same spectrum as GPS, right? So they're easy for hardware designers to add to the system. Mar 11 16:50:50 KotCzarny: "EGNOS is now fully deployed and in its pre-operational phase. The system will undergo certification for safety-of-life applications before becoming fully operational." Mar 11 16:51:05 bhima: yeah its just software that is needed Mar 11 16:52:11 so won't easy fine a right receiver Mar 11 16:52:11 I guess you need to turn on that "test bit" to enable use of those pre-operational transmitters Mar 11 16:52:27 well Mar 11 16:52:35 *find Mar 11 16:52:43 try cheap Holux 1000 from ebay Mar 11 16:53:01 msg me I'll send you specs what to send to that chipset to enable the test bit Mar 11 16:53:07 when you get it Mar 11 16:53:13 they are like 50 eur Mar 11 16:53:23 aol_, are you a MM developer? Mar 11 16:53:44 future maemo developer hopefully Mar 11 16:53:51 currently I do stuff for symbian Mar 11 16:54:08 want to port my app to maemo Mar 11 16:54:18 doktoreas: There are lots of EGNOS compatible receivers. Mar 11 16:54:18 +I Mar 11 16:54:18 aol_: Error: "I" is not a valid command. Mar 11 16:54:53 bhima: but you need to enable the test bit :/ Mar 11 16:55:44 bhima, any suggestion is nice :D Mar 11 16:56:19 doktoreas: Well, I have a Garmin GPS 76, but that's an old model. Mar 11 16:56:58 bhima: where do you live? Mar 11 16:57:38 I mean atleast it's impossible to get egnos fix in Finland without that test bit enabling. Central europeans might be luckier Mar 11 16:58:30 aol_: US right now. I *think* I got a fix in Germany with my GPS 76 but I don't remember for sure. Mar 11 16:58:48 all right, WAAS is a bliss there :) Mar 11 16:59:22 i have about 200 € to invest in receiver Mar 11 16:59:23 I've seen some WAAS vs. plain GPS comparisions and seems rather impressive Mar 11 17:02:31 aol_, last thing, how is the download of gpx trax with windows? Mar 11 17:02:42 the nokia is seen as a storage device? Mar 11 17:02:50 yes Mar 11 17:02:57 at least sd cards Mar 11 17:03:23 k Mar 11 17:05:18 doktoreas: sorry I don't know Mar 11 17:25:37 Is there a limit to the size sdhc card that will work on n800? was wondering if the 16gb will work Mar 11 17:25:47 probably Mar 11 17:25:57 hi Mar 11 17:26:17 16GB will work Mar 11 17:26:18 in the worst case you will have to partition it Mar 11 17:26:28 KotCzarny, that makes no sense at all Mar 11 17:26:30 :) Mar 11 17:26:38 johnx: just guessing Mar 11 17:26:39 :) Mar 11 17:26:49 and notice 'in the worst case' Mar 11 17:27:07 Was looking at this sdhc card specifically.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 Mar 11 17:27:08 if it's over the max size supported then it won't work Mar 11 17:27:14 the current SDHC spec released supports up to 32GB Mar 11 17:27:18 but there's a rumour that 16gb takes more power Mar 11 17:27:30 great price Mar 11 17:27:35 hmm... ksoftirqd is taking all available cpu on my n800 with os2008 Mar 11 17:27:44 any see that issue before ? Mar 11 17:27:50 it's draining my battery like mad Mar 11 17:28:00 bbl Mar 11 17:28:07 does it keep doing that through a reboot? Mar 11 17:28:15 yeah Mar 11 17:28:28 * bilboed reboots Mar 11 17:28:36 turn off and take the battery out for a sec Mar 11 17:28:47 and unplug it (if applicable) Mar 11 17:28:47 btw any know how many hours of just straight audio playback can be expected Mar 11 17:28:55 right, make sure there's no power so it can *really* shot off. Mar 11 17:28:57 .. shut off. Mar 11 17:29:10 http://blip.tv/file/733960?filename=Chippysteve-GigabyteM528UserInterface102.wmv Mar 11 17:29:18 new Gigabyte M528 (Ubuntu Mobile) video if anyone is interested. Mar 11 17:29:29 cool Mar 11 17:29:59 nce Mar 11 17:29:59 eww wmv file Mar 11 17:30:09 oh noes! Mar 11 17:30:23 it's a web stream. Mar 11 17:30:27 with flash player I think. Mar 11 17:30:33 HD Mar 11 17:30:41 with harley davidson? Mar 11 17:30:42 it's a wmv file I think Mar 11 17:30:42 mkay... now it's jff2_gcd_mtd4 which is maxing the cpu Mar 11 17:30:44 oh maybe no flash Mar 11 17:30:56 ah ... no, it's done now Mar 11 17:31:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NviXg_1g4 Mar 11 17:31:14 flash via Youtube, but lower res Mar 11 17:32:48 i need newer gcc Mar 11 17:32:57 too many problems with 3.4 Mar 11 17:33:10 that thing is a phone? Mar 11 17:33:19 nope Mar 11 17:33:26 ah Mar 11 17:33:31 neat openoffice Mar 11 17:33:57 wonder when that thing comes out Mar 11 17:34:03 and the price Mar 11 17:34:06 sometime this year Mar 11 17:34:08 Q3 I think Mar 11 17:34:35 neat Mar 11 17:34:41 and it has a tab key O_o Mar 11 17:34:46 probably be expensive as hell Mar 11 17:34:57 supposed to be 700 Euros Mar 11 17:35:01 damn Mar 11 17:35:04 should be rather easy to port maemo stuff for that ubuntu mobile? Mar 11 17:35:22 python and gtk atleast Mar 11 17:35:23 as long as you don't depend on Nokia closed source stuff Mar 11 17:35:34 all right Mar 11 17:35:35 I don't think I'll be buying it for that price Mar 11 17:35:40 and all apis can be ported anyway Mar 11 17:35:47 or wrapped I mean Mar 11 17:36:36 plb: I'm thinking about business, supporting as many platform as possible easily :) Mar 11 17:38:30 true Mar 11 17:38:48 I'm still waiting for debian on the n800/810 to become usable Mar 11 17:38:49 heh Mar 11 17:38:58 so lend a hand :P Mar 11 17:39:06 see if you can work out sound stuff Mar 11 17:39:34 who's from nyc again? Mar 11 17:41:29 has anyone tested to see how long the battery last for just audio playback? Mar 11 17:41:36 in offline mode Mar 11 17:41:40 kinda like an mp3 player Mar 11 17:42:22 anyways, if you just wait for debian chances are it will take a long time. I'll be a lot more motivated to work on it if other people help... Mar 11 17:42:25 'night Mar 11 18:15:49 hy Mar 11 18:15:53 hie Mar 11 18:16:09 is there a way to clean the keyboard cache on maemo? Mar 11 18:19:23 dosbox.gcno Mar 11 18:19:29 there, google didn't have that word yet Mar 11 18:28:40 Tip: if your vmware scratchbox is running out of room, clear out /scratchbox/ccache Mar 11 18:28:46 it can grow to hundreds of megabytes Mar 11 18:30:31 not to mention /var/cache/apt/archives Mar 11 18:31:08 jott: ping ? Mar 11 18:33:32 if you use xterm and do an ssh on it, the passwd is recorded in the keyboard cache, how can i erased it ? Mar 11 18:35:17 lol Mar 11 18:36:31 hildon does not recognize when you type a passwd on a term windows Mar 11 18:36:41 so it records it on the cache Mar 11 18:36:51 that's not cool Mar 11 18:36:54 :( Mar 11 18:37:27 pepie: OS2007? Mar 11 18:37:31 yes Mar 11 18:38:11 OS2008 is changed in that way - the cache isn't used in xterm. Mar 11 18:38:29 but it ther a way to ereased it Mar 11 18:38:31 ? Mar 11 18:40:33 from the control panel, under keyboard settings Mar 11 18:40:51 you can reset the database for it I believe somewhere. the same place you can disable it entirely. Mar 11 18:41:09 look at it now Mar 11 18:41:15 but i have searched there Mar 11 18:42:42 can't find it Mar 11 18:42:52 pupnik: pong Mar 11 18:45:39 jott which packages from http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ do I install? should I make a new sb armel target? Mar 11 18:46:01 gcc 3.4 is broken for profile-generation purposes Mar 11 18:46:59 also apt-cache search scratchbox shows me scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004 - arm-gcc4.1-uclibc20061004 compiler for Scratchbox Mar 11 18:47:36 so if i install that on my host, will i get gcc 4.1 in my existing sb armel target? Mar 11 18:50:31 fysa i can't find the erase database thing Mar 11 18:50:41 wether in keayboard or input methods Mar 11 18:50:57 I thought there was. :) Mar 11 18:50:59 one sec Mar 11 18:53:18 ah, my device is in the car. Mar 11 18:53:34 from xterm in $HOME or ~, I would try something like .. "grep -R commonword *" Mar 11 18:53:37 or ls -a Mar 11 18:53:52 and look for a hidden directory that starts with . Mar 11 18:54:20 oki thanks Mar 11 18:55:06 you could grep for your password or something else you know is in the prediction dictionary Mar 11 18:58:29 not in the user folder Mar 11 19:01:04 fysa found Mar 11 19:01:17 cool Mar 11 19:01:18 .osso/hildon-input-method/.used.dictionary Mar 11 19:01:24 aha Mar 11 19:01:27 nice. Mar 11 19:01:40 maybe I should fill that with commonly-typed xterm commands. Mar 11 19:05:46 pupnik: you can just install the debs ( http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ ) and use sb-menu to change the toolchain (you could also create another target to make it cleaner) Mar 11 19:06:14 it's also possible to change SBOX_CROSS_GCC_* in your config to the cs2007 toolchain Mar 11 19:06:43 and uclibc is definitely wrong :) Mar 11 19:07:37 ok thanks Mar 11 19:09:49 you mentioned building with 4.2. i have a little patch to generate avg fps display for uae4all. pls let me know if you find any positive effects to gcc 4.2 optimizations Mar 11 19:10:10 do I need something extra before to install PyMaemo on scratchbox? Mar 11 19:10:46 morbec, did you add repository.maemo.org/extras to sources.list? Mar 11 19:12:16 lmoura, yes ... i got problems when the some packages are trying to configure itself Mar 11 19:12:34 what command did you use to install? Mar 11 19:13:03 apt-get install python2.5-runtime Mar 11 19:13:49 morbec: maybe you have to use "fakeroot apt-get install python2.5-runtime" Mar 11 19:14:29 jott, ok .. i will try Mar 11 19:16:52 pupnik: well gcc 4.2 can optimize better sometimes - not sure if uae will benefit much from it.. the core is asm anyway Mar 11 19:18:33 jott -fprofile-generate yielded significant gains in uae4all. I want to try it with dosbox but gcc3.4 profiling (gcov) is broken Mar 11 19:18:44 ok so i have scratchbox-core 1.0.8 Mar 11 19:19:11 http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2007q3-51sb1_1.0.7~20071012154500-1_i386.deb so this is the toolchain i need? Mar 11 19:19:23 (sb1) Mar 11 19:20:35 i think so.. not sure what the difference is but the sb1 worked here Mar 11 19:21:21 hello Mar 11 19:21:25 hello Mar 11 19:22:03 hi Mar 11 19:22:23 jott, so the toolchain is all i need to install to create a new target with gcc4.2? Mar 11 19:22:39 afair it sufficient Mar 11 19:22:43 its Mar 11 19:22:46 thanks Mar 11 19:23:14 just keep in mind that this can easily break binary compatibility :) Mar 11 19:24:07 hi, have the oprofile packages been updated for ITOS2008? Mar 11 19:24:51 * dhd needs to get his profile on Mar 11 19:24:54 thanks jott. gcc compile profiling is just too good to pass up. i must use it Mar 11 19:25:05 :) Mar 11 19:25:06 and 3.4 breaks dosbox Mar 11 19:25:11 :) alternately ... gprof works now?! Mar 11 19:25:17 3.4.4 is broken anyway :P Mar 11 19:26:20 jott, i got the same error, can you look at please? http://rafb.net/p/hFLHvd39.html Mar 11 19:26:46 dhd i think gprof is x86-only? Mar 11 19:27:06 hmm, I just saw you say "gcc compile profiling" and I thought you were talking about it Mar 11 19:27:15 morbec: hmm i think there where other with missing users.. don't know what the actual cause was.. Mar 11 19:27:20 I think I have used gprof on ARM, although not on armel Mar 11 19:27:32 oprofile is actually a bit more useful anyway Mar 11 19:27:36 building with -fprofile-generate, running on device, copying .gcda files back to scratchbox, then compiling with -fprofile-use Mar 11 19:27:44 dhd: oprofile works fine on os2008 Mar 11 19:28:04 jott: sweet, is it built into the os2008 kernel? Mar 11 19:28:12 no Mar 11 19:28:17 you have to boot an other kernel Mar 11 19:28:25 are there precompiled ones around? Mar 11 19:28:25 there is a howto in the wiki... Mar 11 19:28:28 ahhh Mar 11 19:28:29 yeah Mar 11 19:28:29 thanks Mar 11 19:28:42 * dhd doesn't mind compiling a kernel but has actually never done it for maemo Mar 11 19:28:51 google oprofile maemo :) Mar 11 19:29:04 thanks, sorry for dumb questions :) Mar 11 19:29:05 i think you have to adjunst the kernel revision ;) Mar 11 19:29:28 yeah I had it working in ITOS2007 Mar 11 19:29:34 just wasn't sure about 2008 Mar 11 19:30:13 yeah just follow (basically) http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile/ .. the -200743 has changed but i guess that's not too hard to find out ;) Mar 11 19:30:26 Has anyone compiled a kernel with the realview compiler for maemo ? Mar 11 19:30:31 another potentially annoying question, does anyone know what the properties of the cache are on the CPU in the N800/N810 Mar 11 19:30:35 e.g. size, associativity Mar 11 19:30:46 * dhd wants to simulate it in cachegrind Mar 11 19:31:09 you're going to want to reference the OMAP documentation for that Mar 11 19:31:14 yeah Mar 11 19:31:23 it is an OMAP2430 right? Mar 11 19:31:41 2420 Mar 11 19:31:44 ahh Mar 11 19:32:30 but never mind, it's the same arm core :) Mar 11 19:34:29 32kb instructino 32kb data Mar 11 19:34:33 don't know assoc Mar 11 19:34:38 yeah Mar 11 19:34:54 arm1136j-s Mar 11 19:35:17 4-way set associative, apparently Mar 11 19:44:10 how do I make labels in a panel applet transparent? The text in the clock applet, for instance, is properly transparent, but my own text, which are just regular gtk labels, have an opaque background Mar 11 19:44:39 (this only shows up if the panel background is set to anything other than system) Mar 11 19:48:55 yawn Mar 11 19:49:03 i should really take some sleep Mar 11 19:50:59 oh what the hell Mar 11 19:51:05 my desktop keeps resetting Mar 11 19:51:10 corruption! Mar 11 19:51:13 fucking bug Mar 11 19:51:15 its a bug right? Mar 11 19:51:40 you should be reported for breaking the desktop Mar 11 19:51:52 im going to kill everyone now Mar 11 19:52:09 good Mar 11 19:52:18 start from the nearest person (you) Mar 11 19:52:19 :) Mar 11 19:52:26 its already been done Mar 11 19:52:39 nope, i see you're still alive Mar 11 19:52:48 this is my computer talking Mar 11 19:52:48 btw. is it full device reset or just wm? Mar 11 19:53:06 wm i guess Mar 11 19:53:23 try sshing and looking around Mar 11 19:53:25 one minute i leave it alone, next minute it's back to default. and not the theme or wallpaper Mar 11 19:53:34 just the status bar and left sidebar Mar 11 19:53:54 maybe some rogue status bar app Mar 11 19:54:00 That happens too when it is force killed 2 Mar 11 19:55:07 yea, i saw someone else list that bug when their BT keyboard connects Mar 11 19:55:19 what's the command for control panel? Mar 11 19:55:49 try sniffing around /home/user dir Mar 11 19:57:02 if I set up a new target for gcc 4.2 do i have to extract a new rootstrap? or can i just symlink my old chinook rootstrap Mar 11 19:57:19 controlpanel works 4 me in xterm @clin Mar 11 19:57:54 clin@debian:~$ controlpanel Mar 11 19:57:54 -sh: controlpanel: command not found Mar 11 19:58:17 Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/1/20/uae4all_gp2x_0.7.2a-data# which controlpanel Mar 11 19:58:24 /usr/bin/controlpanel Mar 11 19:59:00 wheee Mar 11 19:59:11 gcc version 4.2.1 Mar 11 19:59:32 pupnik: report as soon as you get the results :) Mar 11 20:00:44 * pupnik runs around in circles chasing his tail while dosbox builds with -fprofile-generate Mar 11 20:01:02 get more cpu power Mar 11 20:01:04 :) Mar 11 20:03:27 how can I fix this? ==> /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory Mar 11 20:03:47 morbec: use nokia's provided scripts? Mar 11 20:03:56 to install sb, that is Mar 11 20:04:17 is this related to -rfakeroot ? Mar 11 20:05:10 i am trying to install python maemo on scratchbox Mar 11 20:05:49 morbec, how did you get these errors? Mar 11 20:06:30 I ran fakeroot apt-get install python2.5-runtime Mar 11 20:06:48 chinook? Mar 11 20:07:12 yes Mar 11 20:07:30 which sbox? from ubuntu or maemo script? Mar 11 20:07:45 (I mean manual installation) Mar 11 20:07:55 i used maemo script to install scratchbox and maemo Mar 11 20:08:02 hum Mar 11 20:08:32 weird Mar 11 20:08:38 did you try fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade? Mar 11 20:08:53 no Mar 11 20:08:55 btw. are you installing python in sb? Mar 11 20:09:00 then you don't use fakeroot Mar 11 20:09:14 ie. if you're logged into sb Mar 11 20:09:19 i got the same error without the fakeroot Mar 11 20:09:21 you treat it as 'device' Mar 11 20:09:40 are you logged into sb and target is selected? Mar 11 20:09:45 yes Mar 11 20:11:14 were there any errors during sb+sdk installation? Mar 11 20:11:33 no Mar 11 20:12:03 it looks like an incomplete install for me Mar 11 20:12:20 I'm running atp-get dist-upgrade now then I will try again Mar 11 20:12:28 or not Mar 11 20:12:33 i don't have /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure too Mar 11 20:12:52 but i have installet packaged via apt-get in sb without a problem Mar 11 20:13:20 installed Mar 11 20:14:25 i don't know what can be because I followed the instructions in the PyMaemo website ... Mar 11 20:14:39 is it instruction for sb or device? Mar 11 20:14:52 sb Mar 11 20:15:29 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html Mar 11 20:15:30 ? Mar 11 20:16:02 KotCzarny: it's better to use fakeroot within scratchbox, some postinst stuff breaks without it Mar 11 20:16:20 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/index.html#news Mar 11 20:16:22 jott: i believe fakeroot is only for building packages Mar 11 20:16:27 no Mar 11 20:16:27 5Chello. i don't if i'm in the good channel... i'm trying to figure out how to change some keys on the n810 but i can't get any interesting value from xev. Mar 11 20:16:59 sbox runs in user context Mar 11 20:17:14 a-l-e: hmm. which keys? Mar 11 20:17:37 (I successfully made some xmodmap-scripts once, probably by using xev) Mar 11 20:17:39 jott: sbox is chrooted Mar 11 20:17:40 what i would like to do, is to modify the zoom keys in page up and down... and to get a tab on the keyboard (fn+return?) Mar 11 20:17:58 that's why i assumed it's ok to go with it Mar 11 20:18:21 Veggen: i'd also like to have some { } [] Mar 11 20:18:22 KotCzarny: try chown to a different user Mar 11 20:18:33 jott: better not Mar 11 20:18:34 :) Mar 11 20:18:46 works for now Mar 11 20:18:52 and i'm happy with it Mar 11 20:20:29 i also have a german keyboard and would like to have é as shift+ö :-) Mar 11 20:20:30 KotCzarny: well "touch foo && chown nobody foo && echo YEAH" vs. "touch foo && fakeroot chown nobody foo && echo YEAH" Mar 11 20:21:21 I installed scratchbox using sudo, is it all right? Mar 11 20:21:39 ach ok! i can run xev from a ssh session and then type the keys on the n810! so i directly see the output!!!!! Mar 11 20:22:06 a-l-e: we're glad we could help Mar 11 20:22:07 ;) Mar 11 20:22:08 morbec: yeah, the host tools (debs) have to be installed as root Mar 11 20:22:23 it's all about the karma :-) Mar 11 20:22:45 and aura Mar 11 20:22:46 :) Mar 11 20:23:04 wisdom sipping through tcp/ip Mar 11 20:23:15 a-l-e: The file you probably want to modify is /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44, btw :) Mar 11 20:23:33 xmodmap? Mar 11 20:23:34 :) Mar 11 20:24:16 i was thinking about creating a .xmodmap and loading it manually... but i'll take a look at the rx-44 file! Mar 11 20:24:42 it's better to use rx-44 than xmodmap Mar 11 20:24:49 use/modify Mar 11 20:25:03 ok ... i will do the follow ... I run the command sb-reinstall, then I will do dist-upgrade and install again the pymaemo Mar 11 20:25:03 jott: ok! Mar 11 20:25:18 So does the n810 have any expansion bay capabilities other than the USB/ Mar 11 20:25:41 wasabi: uhm...mini-SD? bluetooth? Mar 11 20:25:59 wifi too Mar 11 20:26:24 let me be more specific. any arbitrary device expansion capabilities that do not involve wireless. Mar 11 20:26:35 what are you lloking for? Mar 11 20:26:37 looking Mar 11 20:26:46 potential for connecting an expresscard to it in some crazy ass way. Mar 11 20:26:52 hmm Mar 11 20:26:55 which will probably end up being usb Mar 11 20:26:56 there was usb adapter Mar 11 20:26:58 for that Mar 11 20:27:25 otherwise yes, usb is the only option Mar 11 20:28:04 doesn't the minisd port support sdio? Mar 11 20:28:38 i'm also trying to get a lan usb card or to let a mac mini share its connection through bluetooth :-) ... but no success up to now :-( Mar 11 20:28:52 jott: you will have to find mini sdio card first Mar 11 20:28:53 ;) Mar 11 20:29:18 in n800 it's easier Mar 11 20:29:34 Just screwing around with possibilities. For instance, connecting a HSUDA card to it, with voice support. Mar 11 20:29:34 well there are wifi cards and some other stuff Mar 11 20:29:40 And coming up with a dialer app of some sort. Mar 11 20:29:44 another reason that n800 is superior Mar 11 20:29:45 HSUPA Mar 11 20:29:45 :) Mar 11 20:30:07 no keyboard is just a killer.. Mar 11 20:30:15 go external Mar 11 20:30:27 on the road?! Mar 11 20:30:30 yes Mar 11 20:30:57 n800 shape allows keyboard to be stored with it :) Mar 11 20:31:00 wasabi: it'd be cooler to hook in tp-phony from gnome phone manager so you could drive it with the built-in chat/call UIs :) Mar 11 20:31:14 Yeah. I suspect it would come to that. Mar 11 20:31:21 store but not USE Mar 11 20:31:25 Hardware is the main obstacle though. Mar 11 20:31:25 e.g. while walking Mar 11 20:31:36 jott btw to get my new armel42 target compiling i'm linking /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/usr/ to /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/armel42/usr/ to save space. seems to work Mar 11 20:31:47 using electronic devices while walking is dangerous Mar 11 20:31:47 ;) Mar 11 20:31:53 pupnik: well you could just switch configs files then :) Mar 11 20:32:10 naa.. Mar 11 20:32:11 wasabi: throw a beat-up bluetooth phone in your backpack and work out how to make the N800 pretend to be a USB headset? Mar 11 20:32:14 i'm happy with the n810 keyboard... or will be once i've modded a bit its layout :-) Mar 11 20:32:17 A quick question, is there a command (if so an example please ) that recursivly copies one folders contents ;including sub and sub-sub folders etc to another folder ; not overwriting any files in the destination folder with the same name but copies everything else? I ask because I want the extras of the Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance on my real scratchbox installed on gutsy and i have 4.0.1 and i believe the Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance has 4.0. Sorry for my bad t Mar 11 20:32:28 yeah you have to mod the n810 layout to make it usable Mar 11 20:32:35 but then it's pretty neat Mar 11 20:32:42 qwerty12: cp -ru ? Mar 11 20:32:43 Robot101: Short term thats fine. Long term it doesn't really help... I'm only doing this because I'm tired of crappy phones and would rather carry around the n810. Mar 11 20:32:43 qwerty12: cp -a Mar 11 20:32:56 Thanks :) Mar 11 20:32:58 -a preserves misc things Mar 11 20:33:03 but use tar Mar 11 20:33:08 Was thinking about grabbing one of these USB things, wirign it up, and affixing it to the back of the n810. Mar 11 20:33:08 :) Mar 11 20:33:09 http://www.oztion.com.au/-mini-SDIO-miniSD-video-adapter-pda-projector-monitor/auction/2989738.aspx speaking of minisd :) Mar 11 20:33:26 qwerty12: but you'd better check the man page of cp :-) Mar 11 20:33:34 sera|evening! Mar 11 20:33:39 wowww Mar 11 20:33:50 Ok will do, thanks. Mar 11 20:34:18 jott: nice Mar 11 20:34:44 wonder if this would work with linux/n8x0 Mar 11 20:34:55 wasabi: stick a nokia 6500 to the back of it? it's pretty small. :) Mar 11 20:34:55 dreamer.. Mar 11 20:34:56 :) Mar 11 20:35:25 Robot101: separate battery. Mar 11 20:35:50 well, you can probably rig that more easily than your plan... :) Mar 11 20:35:51 jott: it's really cheaper! :P Mar 11 20:36:08 * pupnik will use pandora + mplayer->television Mar 11 20:36:10 and thinking of that, probably wire it in to be a modem over USB anyway Mar 11 20:36:11 http://www.sierrawireless.com/product/mc8785v.aspx Mar 11 20:36:44 maybe you could just dismantle a simple phone that can charge and be a modem over USB? Mar 11 20:37:06 pci express mini card seems the right size. Mar 11 20:37:36 hahah check this out Mar 11 20:37:37 http://cgi.ebay.com/Sierra-Wireless-USB-PCI-Express-Mini-Card-Board_W0QQitemZ130202837275QQcmdZViewItem Mar 11 20:37:41 how do i reload the definition from the rx-44 file? Mar 11 20:39:11 Robot101: A solution like that looks creative. Maybe doable. Mar 11 20:40:35 that pretty much *is* a phone, it has a separate battery and everything :P Mar 11 20:40:38 Yeah. Mar 11 20:40:53 But he's wired it all up himself. Wonder if I can get him to make a similar board for me for the HSUPA stuff. Mar 11 20:40:57 a-l-e: setxkbmap -symbols nokia_vndr/rx-44 Mar 11 20:41:10 The idea is it's FLAT. Mar 11 20:41:15 It will be grafted to the back of the n810 Mar 11 20:42:35 hmmm Mar 11 20:42:39 a-l-e: may add ...rx-44(de) or your particular layout Mar 11 20:42:49 unaligned memory access doesnt cause as much of a penalty as i thought it would Mar 11 20:42:58 jott: ok! thanks i'll try it! Mar 11 20:43:43 (remember to escape it when using brackets :) Mar 11 20:45:10 jott: neat Mar 11 20:45:19 (minisd thing :P) Mar 11 20:46:48 yeah seems to be available for <100$ (SDV-841) Mar 11 20:47:13 * lcuk will not shy away from writing unaligned 32bit memory writes any more Mar 11 20:50:10 jott: it worked: thanks! Mar 11 20:50:26 no i have to figure out why i get a È instaed of a è... Mar 11 20:52:26 * lcuk is pleasantly surprised by the grunt available so far inside this little box :) Mar 11 20:52:39 me too Mar 11 20:53:04 grunt? Mar 11 20:53:12 power i guess Mar 11 20:53:25 i had to repeat my inner loop 18 times so i could reduce the frame rate down from 27 to 15! Mar 11 20:53:44 (thats when i started testing the unaligned writes) Mar 11 20:54:01 :) Mar 11 20:54:13 it's seems the PyMaemo was installed ! Mar 11 20:54:25 there are also some asm optimized memcpy floating around Mar 11 20:54:25 morbec, fine :) Mar 11 20:54:31 writing 32bits on a 32bit boundary gets 17fps. being off by 1 byte is 15fps, off by 2 is 15fps, off by 3 is 14fps! Mar 11 20:54:35 morbec: so it was reinstallation issue? Mar 11 20:54:53 lcuk: how about 16bit boundary? Mar 11 20:54:59 erm Mar 11 20:55:01 scratch that Mar 11 20:55:02 :) Mar 11 20:55:03 this is just a tight 32bit blit loop with gcc opts on Mar 11 20:55:54 KotCzarny, I ran sb-reinstall, after I dist-upgraded, then I installed python2.5-runtime Mar 11 20:56:12 morbec: so i was right then :) Mar 11 20:56:13 it means i can write glyphs at any pixel - before i hard coded myself to a 4 pixel horizontal Mar 11 20:57:17 :) Mar 11 20:57:26 lcuk: use something like .. char __attribute__ ((aligned(32))) Mar 11 20:57:39 KotCzarny, you are right quite a lot of the time - i am most impressed by your knowledge Mar 11 20:57:44 :> Mar 11 20:57:56 it's not knowledge, it's magic Mar 11 20:58:06 and the fact you are a cyborg Mar 11 20:58:14 bot, to be exact Mar 11 20:58:19 lcuk i do not understand why your blits are slower than standard sdl Mar 11 20:58:36 R. KotCzarny Olivaw :) Mar 11 20:58:41 :) Mar 11 20:58:51 ok, bbl folks Mar 11 20:58:54 have a nice hacking Mar 11 20:58:59 cheers Mar 11 20:59:02 800*480 YUV framerate is limited to 27fps tearfree Mar 11 20:59:16 ah Mar 11 20:59:19 no matter how much work i do in the middle Mar 11 20:59:28 you have code that uses tearsync? Mar 11 20:59:42 i render whole page of glyphs 9 times and its still 27 fps Mar 11 20:59:48 ah Mar 11 20:59:52 xv handles it Mar 11 21:00:29 handles scaling as well - so anything from a 200*120 screen upto fullsize fills the area Mar 11 21:00:34 whether that is fullscreen or not Mar 11 21:00:57 not fullscreen 800*480 looks strange through because its squashed to fit in the client area Mar 11 21:01:09 my emus would run better if they could wait() for a vsync and then pageflip Mar 11 21:01:25 so i use APPVIEW_WIDTH and HEIGHT from somewhere Mar 11 21:01:30 hmm Mar 11 21:02:00 so how is it possible to have no tearing without double buffering? Mar 11 21:02:28 you have to copy the data sometime... to the active screen Mar 11 21:02:39 it is double buffered though (as far as i can tell) the lcd has enough memory to handle 2x fullscreen YUV displays (w*h+(w*h/2)+w*h/2) Mar 11 21:02:40 sorry for my ignorance Mar 11 21:02:46 ohh Mar 11 21:03:04 but it hasnt got enough memory for 2x fullscreen rgb (w*h*2) Mar 11 21:03:43 so using vx tearsync, xomap handles the double-buffering / pageflipping automagically? Mar 11 21:03:51 s/vx/xv/ Mar 11 21:03:51 pupnik meant: so using xv tearsync, xomap handles the double-buffering / pageflipping automagically? Mar 11 21:04:00 with yuv mode? Mar 11 21:04:22 as far as i can tell yes. ill let you browse the code if ya want Mar 11 21:04:32 its messy but shaped enough to understand i think Mar 11 21:04:39 yes i need to investigate this stuff very soon Mar 11 21:05:07 lmoura, KotCzarny and jott: thanks for help! Mar 11 21:05:17 np Mar 11 21:05:34 lcuk: i would be interested too in your code so far Mar 11 21:06:01 oooh if its gonna have a grand viewing ill have to tidy it up :P Mar 11 21:06:20 is lcd controller 60hz? i hear conflicting numbers Mar 11 21:06:25 * lcuk takes out all the porn from the code Mar 11 21:06:28 51hz Mar 11 21:06:36 *sure*? Mar 11 21:06:39 nope Mar 11 21:06:45 but that's what i remember Mar 11 21:06:49 from googling Mar 11 21:06:51 does it have a proper refresh rate? Mar 11 21:06:53 k Mar 11 21:06:56 run xvidtune ? Mar 11 21:07:18 * jott prepares a sed s/canvass/canvas/ *scnr* Mar 11 21:07:26 lololol Mar 11 21:07:41 * lcuk was wanting to produce something which accepted params and allows variations to be seen Mar 11 21:08:18 OUCH! Mar 11 21:08:38 ifucking zippo! the flintlock just ate me Mar 11 21:08:47 don't smoke Mar 11 21:08:53 it's awfull habit Mar 11 21:09:13 and kind of slavery you subdue to Mar 11 21:09:14 i agree Mar 11 21:09:21 erm Mar 11 21:09:24 wrong word Mar 11 21:09:38 o,o Mar 11 21:09:38 surrender Mar 11 21:10:02 or 'subdue yourself to' Mar 11 21:10:03 :) Mar 11 21:10:06 jott, which libstdc++ works with gcc4.2? Mar 11 21:10:07 ok. bbl Mar 11 21:10:47 ./dosbox: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' Mar 11 21:11:11 pupnik: yeah well the one for gcc4.2 .) Mar 11 21:11:34 well i set up a target with that toolchain Mar 11 21:12:12 that's the point where things tend to break when switching to a different compiler major version :/ Mar 11 21:13:30 i should be able to LD_PRELOAD if I find the right version Mar 11 21:14:13 yeah Mar 11 21:14:25 but the /usr/lib/libstdc++ in target armel42 is linked to the /usr/lib/ in the gcc 3.4 target Mar 11 21:14:29 so that might be "bad" Mar 11 21:14:46 the debian armel thing should work i suppose Mar 11 21:18:49 ./scratchbox/compilers/arm-linux-cs2007q3-51sb1/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/marvell-f/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.9 achaaa Mar 11 21:20:15 oh wait, maybe i want armv4t Mar 11 21:28:23 has anyone seen their Airport Extremes die on a regular basis when an N8x0 starts using the network? Mar 11 21:28:55 <||cw> hm, n810 official price drop... Mar 11 21:29:13 wooo it works! Mar 11 21:29:23 l||cw: what price drop? Mar 11 21:29:48 <||cw> http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/11/nokias-n810-internet-tablet-gets-a-90-price-cut/ Mar 11 21:30:21 interesting. it's good I got mine on eBay :) Mar 11 21:30:58 <||cw> how do you like hte kb on the 810? Mar 11 21:31:49 it's not as nice as I'd hoped. it's been less then a week but so far I haven't really adjusted to the keys yet Mar 11 21:32:10 don't forget the height limitations Mar 11 21:32:29 what limitations? Mar 11 21:32:35 yeah you have to adjust it to really use it in shell etc.. but when you get used to it, you can type pretty fast Mar 11 21:32:42 I haven't seen an N800, so please forgive my ignorance Mar 11 21:32:42 there's no vertical space for big knobby keys like some requested Mar 11 21:32:55 ah, true Mar 11 21:33:21 are there any S40 HSDPA phones? Mar 11 21:34:01 <||cw> if the top row bing close to the case hard to get used to? Mar 11 21:34:47 for me it's only an issue with the d-pad, which should have been lowered 2 mm Mar 11 21:34:55 hi Mar 11 21:35:07 yeah the dpad really sucks Mar 11 21:35:08 no, not for me. I'd say I have slightly larger fingers than average for my age/sex Mar 11 21:35:21 the d-pad really does suck Mar 11 21:35:21 atleast for everything but scrolling up and down Mar 11 21:36:16 i wonder who came up with the physical design for it :/ Mar 11 21:37:34 is LAMP running on OS 2008? Mar 11 21:37:40 <||cw> same on the 770, have to take the cover off the back to really use it Mar 11 21:38:36 i wish someone made some kind of stick that could be attached to it Mar 11 21:41:09 boo.. i get no .gcda files Mar 11 21:42:28 why i'm unable to see my deb package in the maemo installer? Mar 11 21:42:56 which deb package, located where? Mar 11 21:43:24 it's in my repository. Mar 11 21:43:55 is it in a user/* section? Mar 11 21:43:58 section: utils Mar 11 21:44:04 can you see it with apt-cache search $package ? Mar 11 21:44:12 maybe you forgot to update? Mar 11 21:44:38 it has to be in user/* to be visible by the crap gui installer thingie.. Mar 11 21:44:53 pupnik, yeah i can see my package with apt-cache Mar 11 21:44:54 jott wins Mar 11 21:45:20 jott, ok so i'll use section user/utils Mar 11 21:45:36 isn't right? Mar 11 21:46:12 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html here is a list of standard sections GnutoN810 (still applies to 4.0 afaik) Mar 11 21:47:19 pupnik, thank you :) Mar 11 21:47:33 * GnutoN810 is reading Mar 11 21:48:02 GOOOD Evening Everyone! :) Mar 11 21:48:21 yawn Mar 11 21:48:30 I need some Beta-Testers for my n800xn810 website service, who would like to??? Mar 11 21:48:55 anybody ever had problems with CTRL key being sent without modifier bit turned on ? Mar 11 21:49:28 hi Mar 11 21:52:49 hey, no one wants to test out my new n800 service???? Come on guys.... i invented something to spice up your Device!!!! Mar 11 21:52:56 *at least i hope* Mar 11 21:53:06 *at least it spiced up mine * :) Mar 11 21:53:14 what? Mar 11 21:53:25 what website service cyberholic ? Mar 11 21:53:36 shackan: you have a n800 or n810 ? Mar 11 21:53:44 yes Mar 11 21:54:01 but it's turned off Mar 11 21:54:05 shackan: would be great if you could test this out and tell me about bugs.... Mar 11 21:54:09 www.mojocafe.de Mar 11 21:54:28 AAAAAAAAAARGH Mar 11 21:54:34 fullscreen flash Mar 11 21:54:37 :) Mar 11 21:54:38 my eye! Mar 11 21:54:41 ;) Mar 11 21:54:46 only one? Mar 11 21:54:51 what about your other eye? Mar 11 21:55:10 ho can encode an image to base64? Mar 11 21:55:52 i want to set an icon to my deb package. Mar 11 21:55:54 GnutoN810: that's a WHO ? Mar 11 21:56:06 an 'how' I think Mar 11 21:56:12 shackan, would be great if you could tell me if you understood what mojocafe.de is about.... Mar 11 21:56:26 cyberholic: I have no idea Mar 11 21:56:26 how Mar 11 21:56:51 cyberholic: looks like.. I don't know, there's a list of applets Mar 11 21:57:03 but they're called with another name to sound cool Mar 11 21:57:09 it is quite easy: while you have your device on your desktop, instead of showing the today screen, you could have a nice clock, the weather info or calender and much more widgets to come.... Mar 11 21:57:50 oh that's sooo cool Mar 11 21:57:54 [sic] Mar 11 21:58:01 anyone familiar with hal? Mar 11 21:58:31 shackan: at least a nice reason to keep my device on while on the desktop ;) Mar 11 21:58:51 cyberholic: I turn it off Mar 11 21:59:08 I have, you know, a real clock, an a real calendar Mar 11 21:59:14 ok, then i will need some other Beta-Testers.... who would like to??? Mar 11 22:01:13 shackan: what is a real calendar? ...... ;) Mar 11 22:01:56 cyberholic: when i "browse mojos" only half of the big preview on the right is visible Mar 11 22:01:57 looks like someone has been staring at screens for too long Mar 11 22:02:20 jott: what screen resolution do you have? Mar 11 22:02:36 a real calender is something anachronistic from the last millenium :) Mar 11 22:02:47 jott: smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile . Mar 11 22:03:11 cyberholic: 800x480 (fullscreen microb without urlbar etc on n810) Mar 11 22:03:55 jott: are you surfing the site with your device? In fact you visit www.mojocafe.de with an usual pc. There you set up the 4 widgets aka Mojos you would like to have and then you surf to my.mojocafe.de with your Device and start the software. Mar 11 22:04:04 oh.. Mar 11 22:04:06 ok Mar 11 22:04:08 i wish the escape button doubled as a reload button in microb Mar 11 22:04:19 cyberholic: what software? Mar 11 22:04:22 i have disabled flash on all my desktop browsers :) Mar 11 22:04:31 jott++ Mar 11 22:04:49 shackan: sorry... no software, the website.... my fault. you do not need to install anything. jott: oh.. ok :) Mar 11 22:05:10 i guess the selection site could also be used on the device itself Mar 11 22:05:15 no need to use a desktop Mar 11 22:05:49 jott: i tried that before, but my fat fingers where too fat for the amount of tiny buttons :) Mar 11 22:06:14 increase the size of the checkboxes etc ;) Mar 11 22:06:15 no need to use a site at all, the worldclock is nice and works without a connection :D Mar 11 22:06:34 shackan: well it's nice to have a choice .. :) Mar 11 22:06:45 shackan: what do you mean? Mar 11 22:07:03 shackan: oh, you mean the clock that comes with the OS? Mar 11 22:07:13 jott: i can't get dosbox to create .gcda files on device. if you're ever interested in trying it, let me know Mar 11 22:07:34 cyberholic: no, I mean the full screen clock+calendar overlaid with the worldmap which I installed last week Mar 11 22:08:00 any screenshot? Mar 11 22:08:03 cyberholic: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mclock/ Mar 11 22:08:16 pupnik: do other apps (simple test cases) generate the data? Mar 11 22:08:17 I'd say it looks nice Mar 11 22:08:27 yes uae4all did it fine Mar 11 22:08:28 and dosn't need a connection :D Mar 11 22:08:49 but i am not getting a .gcno for dosbox.o on generate state Mar 11 22:08:57 stage... so perhaps that's the problem Mar 11 22:09:07 i'll keep trying stuff Mar 11 22:09:18 ah, what i said... :) Mar 11 22:09:30 what did you say? Mar 11 22:09:41 cyberholic: strip poker would be more popular :) Mar 11 22:09:46 shackan: does it show the actual weather condition? does it have a connection to your flickr account? Does it show you your gmail or yahoo mail account? Mar 11 22:10:04 cyberholic: do I need it? Mar 11 22:10:07 no :) Mar 11 22:10:20 ynezz: thanks for the tipp, will think about such a widget ;) Mar 11 22:10:38 weather is important.. you do not have to look out of the window to see if it rains *g* Mar 11 22:10:51 jott: EXACTLY :D Mar 11 22:11:04 is there anyway to use the shortcut keys in gmail on the microb browsers? seems like the only time i can bring up the keyboard is for inputting something Mar 11 22:11:47 * jott has an linux ipaq running only showing a clock and a forecast :) Mar 11 22:12:01 jott: thanks :) Mar 11 22:12:03 thats what vintage devices are for :P Mar 11 22:13:10 oh it also shows how long its to next sunrise/sunset so you can prepare your sunglasses when your coding session went too long :) Mar 11 22:14:15 looool Mar 11 22:15:24 i dont code too long - the sun is just ahead of schedule Mar 11 22:15:56 lcuk: either way.. it's good to have an up-to-date schedule :) Mar 11 22:16:26 deadlines scare me Mar 11 22:16:43 i do less knowing that i am running out of time Mar 11 22:16:44 hehe deadline increase productivity :) Mar 11 22:17:33 i am actually quite efficient tho - when scheduling for things i can generally hit the nail on the head Mar 11 22:17:34 true Mar 11 22:17:50 without deadlines projects tend to take forever Mar 11 22:17:51 ;) Mar 11 22:18:02 also priorities are usefull ;) Mar 11 22:18:35 my todo/scheduling is a piece of paper with stars and numbers and ticks Mar 11 22:18:50 paper? Mar 11 22:18:52 o.O Mar 11 22:18:55 what's that Mar 11 22:18:57 :) Mar 11 22:18:58 yes Mar 11 22:19:15 i havent found a piece of software yet which wastes less of my time and gives me the right amount of information Mar 11 22:19:42 i keep electronic logs of past work, but on a day to week basis i have a sheet which i get through Mar 11 22:20:36 and this is from the guy that has written multiple schedulers and timesheet and task apps ;) Mar 11 22:21:23 hehe so none of the apps you wrote was really good?! :p Mar 11 22:21:34 they werent written for me :) Mar 11 22:21:45 :) Mar 11 22:21:58 my tasks app is used daily by all in the offices and currently contains around 200k tasks Mar 11 22:22:22 i was shocked actually because i was asked to make a change and realised i started working on it 7 years ago Mar 11 22:22:51 and yes, if i had a schedule it would have been finished in 3 months ;) Mar 11 22:22:52 eheh yeah just rewrite it :) Mar 11 22:23:12 no need - it suits its purpose amazingly well and has scaled as required Mar 11 22:23:27 and the bosses can get the information they require out of it Mar 11 22:25:27 bathtime Mar 11 22:25:29 back later Mar 11 22:56:35 ok... back again... just in case someone is still interested about seeing it in action, visit www.mojocafe.de with your device (!) Mar 11 22:57:55 flash based? Mar 11 22:58:36 url not found cyberholic Mar 11 22:58:44 redirects to mymojo.html Mar 11 22:59:44 pupnik: sorry.... it should work now. Mar 11 23:01:40 elou :) Mar 11 23:02:12 cyberholic: redirects here too and wants a nlogin :/ Mar 11 23:02:24 spirytusick: hello :) Mar 11 23:04:01 jott: yeah, because you must register first at the "big site" with your pc :) Mar 11 23:04:02 jott: :) hey :) Mar 11 23:04:04 hey pupnik:) Mar 11 23:04:11 hi Mar 11 23:04:12 KotCzarny: lo krajanie :) Mar 11 23:04:40 spirytusik: ja spie Mar 11 23:04:42 ;) Mar 11 23:04:51 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4217 Mar 11 23:04:53 Ed.note: I can confirm Firefox 3 beta 4 is much faster than IE7. FINALLY! Mar 11 23:04:54 lol Mar 11 23:04:54 KotCzarny: not bad for a sleepwalker :) Mar 11 23:05:24 KotCzarny: they will fix it to be as slow as usual in the final release :) Mar 11 23:05:26 cyberholic: i dont want to register :/... you should make a guest account Mar 11 23:06:18 jott: ok.... just a second. Mar 11 23:06:23 KotCzarny: seriously, I cant wait as firefox under linux is very slow (compared to win ver anyway) Mar 11 23:06:46 jott: who was the guy that told me to register on bugs.meamo.org? Mar 11 23:06:47 :> Mar 11 23:06:51 KotCzarny: I can make a cup of coffe during startup, and drink it before the window opens up in full :) Mar 11 23:06:56 kot: loooool Mar 11 23:07:11 why dont i have gdkwindows.h Mar 11 23:07:36 spirytusick: mine firefox works fine :) Mar 11 23:07:59 jott: tell me a password as private mssge plllliiise and i add you manualy to the DB. Mar 11 23:08:04 KotCzarny: you can browse bugs.m.o without registration ;) Mar 11 23:08:12 KotCzarny: Mine works fine, but slow :) Mar 11 23:08:15 jott: but not post ;) Mar 11 23:08:30 Kot: you wanna try out my new site? Mar 11 23:08:35 cyberholic: noe Mar 11 23:08:37 no Mar 11 23:08:38 :) Mar 11 23:08:49 i think i'll go to bed Mar 11 23:08:55 :( ... okay Mar 11 23:09:05 you could have one of the nice clocks right next to your bed ;) Mar 11 23:09:31 KotCzarny: good night Kot. C U 2morrow Mar 11 23:09:44 night night Mar 11 23:09:48 [d] Mar 11 23:10:43 * spirytusick is leaving too, see you tommorrow guys Mar 11 23:21:20 jott: still there? Mar 11 23:23:38 Ok, due to the good idea of Jott, i have added a "Demo" Mode of my new n800 "service". You can visit http://www.mojocafe.de with your device and at the bottom left there is a DEMO Mode button. Mar 11 23:25:13 will do :) Mar 11 23:25:56 pupnik: what do you mean? sorry ma english ain`t the best :( Mar 11 23:26:06 werde es probieren Mar 11 23:26:28 :) ... habe verstanden Mar 11 23:26:32 thanks a lot :) Mar 11 23:27:00 nice design cyberholic Mar 11 23:27:09 god i hate flash Mar 11 23:27:13 Does anyone know how i can tell the mbrowser to go Fullscreen by html? Mar 11 23:27:19 pupnik: thanks a lot Mar 11 23:27:43 somewhere along the way people tripped, lost html and decided to crap all over common sense. they named the projevt flash Mar 11 23:27:51 cptnodegard: i had to realize that a lot of people do but unfortunately it`s an easy and nice way to make some beauty interactivity. Mar 11 23:28:20 flashblock ftw :d Mar 11 23:29:44 well, not if you want to be entertained, i think :) Mar 11 23:30:17 Who wants me to make a Flash Clock for him? Pupnik: you want your own Flash Clock? I can add it to the MOJO archive Mar 11 23:30:55 hehe @ tissot urh Mar 11 23:30:57 uhr Mar 11 23:31:22 pupnik: what is tissot? Mar 11 23:31:50 famous old scheizer uhr Mar 11 23:32:13 oh, well... i think i better dont do that or their lawyers will get in contact with me :) Mar 11 23:33:23 i don't think they can trademark a swiss flag icon, can they? Mar 11 23:33:29 http://simplyswiss.typepad.com/simplyswiss/images/tissot_logo_and_product.jpg Mar 11 23:35:15 btw jott - speed not noticeably improved for dosbox from gcc 3.4 to 4.2 (no profile-generate data used). too many errors in 4.2 to run benchmarks Mar 11 23:35:43 watch reminds me .. is there a way to change the clock display to 24hrs instead of am/pm? Mar 11 23:35:50 no, but their name :) i just finished the clock and will put it online now.... gimme a second Mar 11 23:37:04 f_mohr: are you talking about one of the Mojocafe clocks? Mar 11 23:38:14 clock applet and the world clock that come with the device Mar 11 23:38:51 f_mohr: oh... you should ask Kot about that, he is more into that tool instead of the Mojocafe.de ones. Mar 11 23:39:15 pupnik: check the mojocafe site with your desktop pc... your clock is online ;) Mar 11 23:39:27 Hope you like it ;) Mar 11 23:39:46 do you do professional flash work cyberholic ? Mar 11 23:39:52 yep Mar 11 23:40:16 did you work for INM frankfurt? Mar 11 23:40:24 nope :) Mar 11 23:40:31 ok, just a guess Mar 11 23:40:58 Since i typed the word PRINT for the first time on my Commodore 116, i never had a fulltime job for anyone :) Mar 11 23:41:08 i am a freelancer Mar 11 23:41:42 hehe @ pupnik mojo Mar 11 23:42:16 do you have a network of clients or get most work from online jobboerse? Mar 11 23:44:06 network of clients. 2006 i did the sensationwhite.de website by myself and this year there is another big event that i was asked to develop the onlinesite for. I do these kind of thinks (like endorphinum.de and now mojocafe.de) just within my sparetime.... Mar 11 23:46:10 cyberholic - in confirmation email, s/weren't/was not/ Mar 11 23:47:17 pupnik: what do you mean? sorry for my bad english. Mar 11 23:48:41 pm Mar 11 23:51:55 123 Mar 11 23:58:55 now i can brag to my friends that i have a 450 euro watch :) Mar 11 23:59:14 thanks cyberholic Mar 11 23:59:54 :) Mar 12 00:00:54 btw cyberholic did you own a commodore amiga? Mar 12 00:01:29 nope, i had the one before the commodore64 Mar 12 00:01:30 we should have a nice emulator, 'soon' Mar 12 00:02:33 wow i forgot about that machine Mar 12 00:03:32 :) Mar 12 00:03:58 I even had the datasette and my first game on it was Green Beret. It took about 20 Minutes to load :) Mar 12 00:04:22 reminds me that i wanted to port a cpc emulator for the ITs :) Mar 12 00:05:08 when i translated my resume to german, 'commodore pet' turned into 'flottenadmiral streicher' Mar 12 00:05:19 loooooooooooooool Mar 12 00:05:20 (no kidding) Mar 12 00:05:35 lol Mar 12 00:05:41 _._ Mar 12 00:07:57 pupnik: hehe :) Mar 12 00:11:23 http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-PET-Series-3032-Model-2001-32-N-220-Volt_W0QQitemZ260218033051QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3544QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem there's one for sale in Koeln Mar 12 00:13:30 man, i'd love to get his Apple ][ Mar 12 00:17:06 woe already at 158 euro.. quite alot ;) Mar 12 00:18:09 that's ok, i'll have the emulator sound fixed soon, i hope Mar 12 00:18:34 i really must learn how to wait for vsync Mar 12 00:22:29 http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif Cat playing with N810 :) Mar 12 00:27:20 pupnik: spaceball.gif is just a placeholder to prevent image theft :) Mar 12 00:27:25 oh sorry Mar 12 00:29:21 http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/n810-native-usb-host.html Konttori made a usb host mode control application -- nice Mar 12 00:29:32 pupnik: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/09/29/how-to-avoid-saving-spaceballgif-at-flickr/ hmm :) Mar 12 00:29:59 i lost the link - it was thoughtfix's cat staring intently at a n810 lying on the floor Mar 12 00:45:22 0 Mar 12 00:48:57 1? Mar 12 00:51:44 pupnik, it's up on planet.maemo.org if you're still looking for it... Mar 12 00:52:37 just ran through that blog. found it amusing how the universality of the tablet devices means i'm completely uninterested in what they're doing (and probably vice-versa) Mar 12 00:53:26 http://ufo2000.sourceforge.net/files/ btw jott some more low level stuff in case you didn't see it Mar 12 00:54:53 (old stuff) Mar 12 00:59:06 pupnik..... i made two new clocks :) Mar 12 00:59:35 pupnik: are there any playable 3d games for the tablets? (no, q2 doesn't count as playable on an n800 :( ) Mar 12 00:59:39 jesus..... i am up since 8:30 yesterday and now it is 2 AM aaaaaand... the birds are singing...that birdy must be drunken! Mar 12 01:00:02 shackan: wasnt there doom? Mar 12 01:00:17 same as q2 Mar 12 01:00:21 :) Mar 12 01:00:36 Giana Siters 3D !? Mar 12 01:00:41 ? Mar 12 01:00:47 just kidding Mar 12 01:01:03 Giana Sisters were the lesbian friends of the gay Mario Bros. Mar 12 01:02:05 yes 3d: duke nukem, shadow warrior, warzone2100 Mar 12 01:02:23 Watchawaiddin for? Mar 12 01:02:30 shadow what? Mar 12 01:02:47 googling Mar 12 01:03:38 i'm trying to get an optimized build of NoGravity for N8x0 finished here Mar 12 01:03:43 in case anybody wants to help Mar 12 01:03:59 3d space combat (wing commander-like) Mar 12 01:04:39 YES YES YES ! Mar 12 01:04:47 that's what I'm looking for Mar 12 01:04:57 no first person shooters :P Mar 12 01:05:02 hey pupnik: i will a lot of work within the next weeks, but if you want me to do any kind of logos or pre-designs just get in contact with me at endorphinum@googlemail.com Mar 12 01:05:08 it's very fast for most levels. but the space stations draw far too slow Mar 12 01:05:22 ok - good luck with your project cyberholic Mar 12 01:06:01 thnx... c ya.... ill write a mail to the maemo users-list and then go to bed.... Mar 12 01:06:12 pupnik: ooh, the screenshots look good Mar 12 01:06:47 pupnik: is there anything like wipeout out there in the open world ? Mar 12 01:06:54 I never found anything good Mar 12 01:07:05 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nogravity/ if you want to try the first build by Sergio feel free Mar 12 01:07:39 I surely will! Mar 12 01:07:48 as soon as I go to bed and grab the n800 :D Mar 12 01:07:55 on what system did you play wipeout? Mar 12 01:08:35 actually, I never played wipeout, never had it and never played much games in general Mar 12 01:09:07 but, I saw it on tv and it looked like great fun Mar 12 01:09:22 i played wipeout on ps1.. :) Mar 12 01:09:36 yeah it's very old (the first one at least) Mar 12 01:10:32 http://ecksdee.sf.net/ now we just need 3d drivers ;) Mar 12 01:11:36 jott: I tried ecks Mar 12 01:11:40 it's a monster Mar 12 01:11:56 it's written using the python bindings to crystalspace Mar 12 01:12:04 yieks :O Mar 12 01:12:07 awful and painfully slow Mar 12 01:12:35 doesn't even run on my not-so-shiny laptop Mar 12 01:32:41 /usr/lib/libpthread.a: could not read symbols: Bad value Mar 12 01:32:46 how did i broke this? Mar 12 01:42:45 /usr/lib/libpthread.a(unwind.o): In function `unwind_stop': undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetCFA' Mar 12 01:42:48 heh Mar 12 01:47:23 pupnik How are you going about placing oncreen buttons for that port? Mar 12 01:47:37 they're placed, not active though Mar 12 01:53:00 where is the documentation on how to do this? Mar 12 01:53:02 if there's any Mar 12 01:58:11 on how to add onscreen buttons to an sdl app? Mar 12 01:59:16 got my n810 few days ago (finally) and started working on keyboard support in kagu Mar 12 01:59:28 \p/ Mar 12 02:00:08 disq: is kagu sdl? Mar 12 02:00:28 yeah but pygame Mar 12 02:00:30 pupnik, yes Mar 12 02:00:44 to buttons to an sdl app Mar 12 02:01:37 http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz is probably the simplest app you'll find with onscreen buttons (source) Mar 12 02:43:30 Is iwconfig available for OS2008? Mar 12 02:43:55 Yes. Look for wireless-tools. Mar 12 02:48:38 lol "rails -> ." Mar 12 02:48:58 Well. That sucked. Guess I have to reinstall Debian because it stuck me on the amd64 track and I can't use scratchbox with that, apparently. O.o Mar 12 02:49:03 Eh? Mar 12 02:49:31 never saw someone symlink like that before Mar 12 02:49:45 Yeah. Mar 12 02:49:59 Thank Rails' broken concept of demand/cache-loading of classes for that one. =o( Mar 12 02:50:50 * texel has to fight with rails at work almost daily Mar 12 02:51:10 ...and I've chased that particular weirdness down many, many times before. Mar 12 02:51:16 eww Mar 12 02:51:56 never an ORM was so overrated xD Mar 12 02:52:05 Heh Mar 12 02:52:07 Agreed. Mar 12 02:52:11 Too much magic there. Mar 12 02:56:48 Did somebody just say that scratchbox was a no-go on amd64? Mar 12 02:57:05 Yep. Mar 12 02:57:07 I did. Mar 12 02:57:09 Just tried it. Mar 12 02:57:34 The only binaries they provide in the apt repo are i386. Mar 12 02:57:44 apt-get on amd64 debian only fetches i386. Mar 12 02:57:56 err... s/i386/amd64/ Mar 12 02:58:17 * Brains wonders what the ebuild situation is like. Mar 12 02:58:44 * texel shrugs Mar 12 02:58:53 Nice nick, btw. =o) Mar 12 03:00:45 * Brains takes a bow... "Been using it for close to twenty years now.. Backhanded compliment from my little brother. *chuckle*" Mar 12 03:00:52 Heh Mar 12 03:01:08 That's pretty cool. =o) Mar 12 03:14:40 wish our busybox had a real history Mar 12 03:14:48 !scp Mar 12 03:14:49 etc Mar 12 03:17:17 New emu 'port': Stella atari 2600 emulator. http://pupnik.de/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb (compiled only for N8x0) Mar 12 03:17:57 yay Mar 12 03:18:08 now I can play pitfall nonstop Mar 12 03:18:16 it's kind of wack Mar 12 03:18:26 i mean... seeing those things again Mar 12 03:18:50 you might want to map controls (optins: input) Mar 12 03:19:35 i have fullscreen-> firebutton 1, menu -> firebutton2, (-) select difficulty, (+) start, (esc) abort Mar 12 03:20:19 Can you set it to keyboard crap? Mar 12 03:20:40 you can have multiple bindings defined if you have n810 or bt keyboard Mar 12 03:21:03 I was just planning on pairing up my wiimote, as I carry that around a lot Mar 12 03:21:23 that would be fun to get working with emus/games Mar 12 03:22:40 I don't care that it has motion sensing crap when playing emus, just that it's the smallest wireless joypad available to me Mar 12 03:23:25 so the driver for it will make it emulate a keyboard? Mar 12 03:23:37 that way you could use it without patching any games/emus Mar 12 03:24:14 not really a driver, cwiid just interprets data sent from the wiimote over bluetooth and you can output it any way you want it through using plugins Mar 12 03:24:28 joypad, keyboard, mouse, etc Mar 12 03:25:18 you've tried it? Mar 12 03:25:51 only on the PC Mar 12 03:26:08 haven't had the motivation to do so on the tablets Mar 12 03:47:21 dragorn: are there any beta packages of kismet for os2008 out there? Mar 12 03:47:28 pupnik: nogravity doesn't even start Mar 12 03:47:44 (and the deb is from 2006, so it was expected) Mar 12 03:50:30 is there any chance that an injection capable driver will become available for the wifi chipset? Mar 12 03:50:52 shackan: really? what tablet do you have? Mar 12 03:51:10 n800 Mar 12 03:51:33 did you install the game data? Mar 12 03:51:46 mm, just the deb Mar 12 03:52:03 cheesebob: just about nill Mar 12 03:52:03 ah it needs the game data from the nogravity homepage Mar 12 03:52:11 uh Mar 12 03:52:20 damn I just turned it off :\ Mar 12 03:52:30 cheesebob: i've looked into it, asked the maintainer, and asked what dragorn thinks about it Mar 12 03:52:44 procto, what if someone was to ninja the abstraction layer specifications Mar 12 03:53:35 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131322&package_id=144311 Nogravity data is also available from the sourceforge site Mar 12 03:54:30 pupnik: ugh, 33Mb :\ Mar 12 03:54:41 cheesebob: if that was the case, and someone matched my regular job's salary for 2 weeks over the summer Mar 12 03:54:42 it goes onto mmc Mar 12 03:54:48 which one^ Mar 12 03:54:49 ? Mar 12 03:54:52 cheesebob: we could have one then Mar 12 03:55:16 /media/mmc1/nogravity afaik Mar 12 03:55:37 that's the external one, right? Mar 12 03:55:40 procto, what's your regular salaray for two weeks, roughly Mar 12 03:56:08 around 4k USD Mar 12 03:56:16 wow Mar 12 03:56:39 before tax :> Mar 12 03:56:55 but as a student i only work full time oven the summer Mar 12 03:57:01 over the summer Mar 12 03:57:12 so don't bother multiplying that by 25 :> Mar 12 03:57:28 still, that's freaking good money for a student Mar 12 03:57:47 I like to think I'm worth it Mar 12 03:57:49 I won't make anything near that even after I graduate Mar 12 03:58:45 8 grand a month is fairly good Mar 12 03:58:51 indeed Mar 12 03:59:08 shackan, major? Mar 12 03:59:21 computer engineering Mar 12 03:59:22 procto, what do you specialize in Mar 12 03:59:29 now im just ineterested Mar 12 04:00:04 If you're in the USA and not increasing salary by 12% P.A. in 2007/2008, you're losing real wages Mar 12 04:00:10 oh question is there a replacement for the default map software that is better and free? Mar 12 04:00:13 I'm not in usa Mar 12 04:00:30 and engineers here make less than $1500/mo Mar 12 04:00:38 pupnik, 12% will be chump change for the next few years Mar 12 04:00:48 wait 4 months and buy property Mar 12 04:00:54 it'll be at a decade low Mar 12 04:01:11 shackan, most engineers here make that too Mar 12 04:01:20 just the smart ones that done Mar 12 04:01:24 dont* Mar 12 04:01:31 either that or dry goods, water, fuel and ammo :) Mar 12 04:01:42 lol Mar 12 04:01:52 cheesebob: well, I know people with masters and hons., and don't make more than that Mar 12 04:01:56 heh Mar 12 04:02:17 (of course that isn't a measure of 'smart' in any way) Mar 12 04:02:29 there are relatively few trully skilled engineers in the united states Mar 12 04:02:37 the vast majority are capable Mar 12 04:02:49 but do not deserve the amount they demand Mar 12 04:02:54 so they get less :P Mar 12 04:02:58 <3 capitalism Mar 12 04:03:00 fair enough Mar 12 04:03:49 wait so is there a replacement for the map software for the n810 that is either better and/or free Mar 12 04:03:51 ? Mar 12 04:04:07 maemo-mapper Mar 12 04:04:18 the one and only you will need Mar 12 04:04:19 :) Mar 12 04:04:47 epic win :D Mar 12 04:05:04 KotCzarny: heh, but it only works with an internet connection Mar 12 04:05:15 nope Mar 12 04:05:19 uh? Mar 12 04:05:20 you can 'preload' maps Mar 12 04:05:26 from google? Mar 12 04:05:28 there's an option for that Mar 12 04:05:34 from google or other sources Mar 12 04:05:34 much better ue of the screen realestate Mar 12 04:05:35 :) Mar 12 04:05:43 wow, epic win then Mar 12 04:06:01 though google satellite barfs sometimes Mar 12 04:06:11 probably anti-leech scripts Mar 12 04:06:22 but ve satellite works nicely Mar 12 04:06:24 :) Mar 12 04:06:27 does maemo-mapper data take up much more space than wayfinder Mar 12 04:06:50 701.1M Maps Mar 12 04:06:53 yeha i notice that maps.google.com gets slower the more you use it, even if you reload the page or restart the browser Mar 12 04:06:57 and it's only poland and nyc Mar 12 04:06:58 :) Mar 12 04:07:19 that's a good chunk of space there Mar 12 04:07:20 well, and world at zooms 16-20 Mar 12 04:07:20 ;) Mar 12 04:08:15 * KotCzarny compiled xmms Mar 12 04:08:39 2mb when gtk1 libs compiled statically in ;) Mar 12 04:09:49 so lets see here the hardware abstraction layers specification is probably in the hands of stmicroelectronics Mar 12 04:09:56 btw KotCzarny if you want to try an alternative to OSS for uae.. here's a brief explanation + examples of sdl_mixer Mar 12 04:10:16 http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Common_libs_documentation/SDL/SDL_Documentation_project_en/guideaudioexamples.html Mar 12 04:10:42 pupnik: thx, i'll look at it later Mar 12 04:10:58 and since their r&d center is in california they almost definitely have stored the plans at a document storage service Mar 12 04:11:06 bleh i was useless today Mar 12 04:11:11 :) Mar 12 04:11:12 there isn't enough room in any california office building to keep them Mar 12 04:11:29 which probably means Iron Mountain document retention services Mar 12 04:11:41 which is actualyl totally ninja able Mar 12 04:12:50 http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/carrollton.pdf Mar 12 04:13:00 except their fab plant is in texas Mar 12 04:14:14 lawl with enough persistence i bet i could find the specifications for real Mar 12 04:14:57 :) Mar 12 04:15:53 what's delawares state code? Mar 12 04:16:17 mehnvm Mar 12 04:18:34 i could but id get caught and butt raped Mar 12 04:18:49 and i like mine the way it is Mar 12 04:18:49 cheesebob: what on earth are you talking about? O.o Mar 12 04:18:57 texel, shhh Mar 12 04:19:29 * texel is /sooo/ confused Mar 12 04:19:35 you shoul dbe Mar 12 04:20:29 st makes R&D in california ?? Mar 12 04:20:36 I tought it was all in france Mar 12 04:20:48 stm had r&d all over the place Mar 12 04:20:50 all over the world Mar 12 04:20:53 cool Mar 12 04:21:05 I worked for them in Milan Mar 12 04:21:09 I might intern at st in may Mar 12 04:21:16 (unpaid, of course :( ) Mar 12 04:21:22 steal the specs :D Mar 12 04:21:29 shackan: where, in france? Mar 12 04:21:33 italy Mar 12 04:21:38 Agrate Mar 12 04:21:39 lol Mar 12 04:21:42 nope Mar 12 04:21:49 Arzano Mar 12 04:21:53 hmm Mar 12 04:22:02 there headquarters in in switzerland Mar 12 04:22:06 I know Mar 12 04:22:11 vaginas are using swiss lawl to hide... Mar 12 04:22:27 sorry shouldnt use that language Mar 12 04:22:29 guess it's cheaper Mar 12 04:22:32 shackan: unpaid? Mar 12 04:22:35 arrgh Mar 12 04:22:38 heh Mar 12 04:22:43 poor italian engineer? Mar 12 04:22:54 indeed Mar 12 04:23:10 I understand you, I ran away from Italy ;) Mar 12 04:23:20 I'm going to Mar 12 04:23:33 I assume you're.. italian ? Mar 12 04:23:42 http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/photo/crolle.jpg Mar 12 04:23:46 what the hell Mar 12 04:23:48 that's awesome Mar 12 04:24:01 err, yes. was born there Mar 12 04:24:06 some time ago xD Mar 12 04:24:12 awesome Mar 12 04:24:35 I got my second passport in the mail today, lol Mar 12 04:24:38 shackan, remember to ask them were they keep all their secret documents :P Mar 12 04:25:04 that building has to taken down, the view would be much better Mar 12 04:25:12 cheesebob: well, I'll be working for free so it's not like they can fire me or something if I ask... :D Mar 12 04:25:26 Tama^2: and you're in NEW ZEALAND ?? Mar 12 04:25:32 yes Mar 12 04:25:43 doing what if I may ask? Mar 12 04:25:48 find someone who would know who probably will tell you Mar 12 04:26:00 living ;) Mar 12 04:26:10 Tama^2: heh, ok :P Mar 12 04:26:10 find the guy who is getting kind of old but isn't a grump and let him prove he's still cool Mar 12 04:26:12 :D Mar 12 04:26:29 cheesebob: fuck that, I want the hawt segretaries Mar 12 04:26:44 secretaries dont know shit Mar 12 04:26:52 never do Mar 12 04:26:56 always think they do Mar 12 04:26:56 anyway Mar 12 04:27:15 Tama^2: why did you leave? Mar 12 04:27:21 "mr wilsons fucking the secretary!", well duh she knows that one Mar 12 04:28:24 came here on holiday and ended up staying for a while Mar 12 04:29:15 wow Mar 12 04:29:19 I wish I could do that Mar 12 04:32:22 :) Mar 12 04:34:42 anyway, looks like it's 14 over there, which means almost 6am here Mar 12 04:34:45 gotta go Mar 12 04:35:04 'night! Mar 12 04:35:46 it's 17.35 here now Mar 12 04:35:53 see ya Mar 12 04:42:09 heh, these old atari 2600 games cost about $80 each in 2008 real dollars Mar 12 04:42:54 considering inflation, it's cheap Mar 12 04:42:55 :) Mar 12 04:44:47 no $80 is a lot for a crappy little game Mar 12 04:45:52 they were 4096 byte games Mar 12 04:47:08 their value is in being old and crappy little games ;) Mar 12 04:48:37 anyone knows how to setup volume? Mar 12 04:48:59 ie. setting it from status bar applet doesn't get it to 'loud' Mar 12 04:49:12 so i presume there's another know somewhere Mar 12 04:49:39 in the app that is playing sound Mar 12 04:49:43 i find that internal media player is very quiet Mar 12 04:54:38 Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. Mar 12 04:54:48 let's try hispeed sd mode Mar 12 05:13:32 how is speed with dd KotCzarny ? Mar 12 05:13:54 hdparm shows 5.15mb/s Mar 12 05:15:03 dd is consistent Mar 12 05:15:08 100mb in 20.37s Mar 12 05:17:44 maybe i should get fast card too Mar 12 05:17:45 :> Mar 12 05:19:22 isn't max speed 60MB/s anyway? Mar 12 05:19:29 ouch Mar 12 05:19:32 6 not 60 Mar 12 05:19:35 ;) Mar 12 05:20:15 i believe i have seen reports of ~15mb/s Mar 12 05:20:19 my class 6 SDHC did 6MB/s with the hi speed kernel Mar 12 05:20:20 thats class 6 sdhc, and i think thats the min rated speed Mar 12 05:20:37 mmm Mar 12 05:21:45 I will look up the tech info again, but AFAIK @50Mhz that is the maximum you can hope for Mar 12 05:22:07 at 1bit, yes Mar 12 05:22:14 at 4bit wide, x4 Mar 12 05:22:14 :) Mar 12 05:22:56 but you may be right Mar 12 05:23:13 pity i sold off my sandisk ultra ii Mar 12 05:37:23 lol Mar 12 05:37:28 internal flash got faster too Mar 12 05:37:29 :) Mar 12 09:07:33 Morning, all Mar 12 09:24:59 * ccooke wonders if anyone has seen a pre-packaged bitlbee for os2008? Mar 12 09:36:59