**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 14 02:59:57 2008 Mar 14 03:00:14 yeah Mar 14 03:00:17 Does anyone know where I can find a more complete / recent binary package of GnuPG other than the stripped down osso-gnupg package? Mar 14 03:00:17 stupid anyway Mar 14 03:00:33 jott: yup, but works Mar 14 03:00:34 ;) Mar 14 03:00:38 i love math Mar 14 03:00:39 indeed Mar 14 03:00:52 <_]-[andful__> jott : are you the owner of the ssnet2 site? Mar 14 03:00:53 <_]-[andful__> :) Mar 14 03:00:57 http://johnmason.tripod.com/jbg37.jpg Mar 14 03:00:59 this one is nice Mar 14 03:01:00 :) Mar 14 03:01:04 _]-[andful__: yes Mar 14 03:01:21 <_]-[andful__> ah nice :) I was searching for your nickname at least to place there in my post :) Mar 14 03:01:38 <_]-[andful__> and we had a question, (we tried looking for your patch but didn't find) Mar 14 03:01:44 <_]-[andful__> you say on your site that you made some fixes... Mar 14 03:01:51 yeah reload :) Mar 14 03:02:00 <_]-[andful__> did you fix the bluescreen (when screen dimes) ? Mar 14 03:02:05 yes Mar 14 03:02:20 :> Mar 14 03:02:21 <_]-[andful__> ah nice that was the todo missing from us also :/ Mar 14 03:02:27 i already put the source online Mar 14 03:02:28 <_]-[andful__> (I work with Rodrigo Vivi) Mar 14 03:02:32 ah nice Mar 14 03:02:40 <_]-[andful__> nice :) no problem (we were not "demanding" anything) Mar 14 03:02:52 na it's fine.. better push things :) Mar 14 03:02:55 <_]-[andful__> just because when we readed (fix) we thought that you probably have solved the bluescreen issue :) Mar 14 03:03:08 it's more like, teal-screen issue Mar 14 03:03:09 :) Mar 14 03:03:17 at least on my n800 ;) Mar 14 03:03:18 <_]-[andful__> Kot : perfectly said :) Mar 14 03:03:19 KotCzarny: but it's actually blue :) Mar 14 03:03:22 and yes, it's fixed Mar 14 03:03:23 :) Mar 14 03:03:35 <_]-[andful__> nice :) Mar 14 03:03:50 jott: blue has bad associations Mar 14 03:03:51 ;) Mar 14 03:03:55 <_]-[andful__> we already have some "transition" effects when inside canola :) Mar 14 03:04:15 <^JSN> does anyone know how to change the icons on the panels on the n810? i've changed themes but the icons didn't change at all and i've tried rebooting. still the same icons Mar 14 03:04:18 <_]-[andful__> so your applet will be quite handy for the maemo part :) and we can do our stuff without bothering the users that don't use canola :) Mar 14 03:06:57 <_]-[andful__> this has generated so much "noise" (positive ones) :) Mar 14 03:07:21 <_]-[andful__> I just wished we had the same sensor as in the n95s hidden somewhere :))) Mar 14 03:07:30 :) Mar 14 03:09:09 hehe i've seen a hardware hack for an usb based acceloremeter for the n8x0 :) Mar 14 03:09:19 it will stick out :/ Mar 14 03:09:26 sdio one could be nice Mar 14 03:09:26 ;) Mar 14 03:09:30 hihi yeah Mar 14 03:09:32 <_]-[andful__> yeah, we have some works around one using the camera, but too much cpu : / doesn't even worth it Mar 14 03:10:22 <_]-[andful__> ah, and crappy precision in several situations :) Mar 14 03:10:29 ;) Mar 14 03:10:40 hehe pancake faces? :) Mar 14 03:10:57 <_]-[andful__> lol Mar 14 03:11:25 <^JSN> what is a acceloremeter? Mar 14 03:11:52 ^JSN: this thingie that detects spatial orientation Mar 14 03:12:03 and acceleration :) Mar 14 03:12:10 more like acceleration in specific direction Mar 14 03:12:11 ;) Mar 14 03:12:17 'tis what the name says Mar 14 03:12:27 <_]-[andful__> so you can do like , auto rotation, like digital cameras, and n95s and the iphones :) Mar 14 03:12:49 handfull: i can just click on jott's applet Mar 14 03:12:55 <_]-[andful__> (and more, like tilt based games, and some other not so useful applications ) : ) Mar 14 03:12:58 it's as fast and doesn't use cpu cycles Mar 14 03:12:59 <_]-[andful__> yeah, me too :) Mar 14 03:12:59 :) Mar 14 03:13:15 shaking it could damage nokia Mar 14 03:13:16 ;) Mar 14 03:13:17 Properly, angular orientation is handled by a gyroscope, not an accelerometer. Mar 14 03:13:21 if it slips out ;) Mar 14 03:13:40 derf: yeah you're right :) Mar 14 03:13:54 <_]-[andful__> derf: yeah :) sorry :) Mar 14 03:14:23 derf, a combination of both is actually the best. Mar 14 03:14:40 anyway.. we don't have it in current n8x0 devices :/ Mar 14 03:15:19 not a big loss Mar 14 03:16:03 I would think a much more interesting application would be to combine it with GPS with a Kalman filter so, for example, when you go under a bridge your track doesn't start wandering through buildings. Mar 14 03:16:23 :> Mar 14 03:16:36 better gps would be needed first Mar 14 03:16:43 Unfortunately, both GPS and accelerometers suck when you're not moving. Mar 14 03:16:44 <_]-[andful__> derf : yeah that's quite useful Mar 14 03:17:05 maybe one day someone will integrate bt/gps/gyro/accmeter Mar 14 03:17:07 :> Mar 14 03:17:41 Does anyone know where I can find a more complete / recent binary package of GnuPG other than the stripped down osso-gnupg package? Mar 14 03:17:55 Yeah, if I were doing it, I'd just put it directly in the BT GPS unit. Mar 14 03:18:32 that way you can fix bt unit to a vehicle Mar 14 03:18:42 and use nokia freely Mar 14 03:19:14 <^JSN> is there any way to setup file sharing in maemo? Mar 14 03:19:27 jsn: just install ssh server Mar 14 03:19:32 or sshfs Mar 14 03:19:40 depending which way you want to share Mar 14 03:19:57 <^JSN> do you have to use the sshclient threw the command prompt to access the shares everytime? Mar 14 03:20:05 ? Mar 14 03:20:14 sshfs mounts it permanently Mar 14 03:20:14 <^JSN> i mean terminal Mar 14 03:20:24 and it will look as a regular dir Mar 14 03:20:28 for every app Mar 14 03:20:31 <^JSN> oh ok Mar 14 03:20:44 <^JSN> is it a seperate app than the openssh client? Mar 14 03:20:53 yes Mar 14 03:21:33 <^JSN> is that the package name? my apt-get couldn't find it Mar 14 03:22:04 i don't know, i have seen it somewhere in a package form Mar 14 03:22:06 _]-[andful__, just wondering, do the icons have to be a certain size? Mar 14 03:22:11 i just installed it myself from sources Mar 14 03:22:14 Maemo is completely useless and the N810 almost worthless without gpg. Mar 14 03:22:37 MegaTrousers: get sdk and compile/package it yourself Mar 14 03:22:45 that's what opensource is Mar 14 03:22:47 I think I will do this. Mar 14 03:22:47 for Mar 14 03:22:48 :) Mar 14 03:22:48 <_]-[andful__> yeah, the size that is there, unfortunately we cannot deal with vector scalling to use it in bigger sizes and the scale down..etc Mar 14 03:23:00 <^JSN> what is gpg? Mar 14 03:23:14 <_]-[andful__> so we chose the best size to the whole thing :) with a little bit more of cpu / gpu we will pass to higher resolution icons Mar 14 03:23:17 _]-[andful__, okay, that's fine. Mar 14 03:23:46 <_]-[andful__> so you opened the design sheet? Mar 14 03:23:56 <_]-[andful__> the most important things are the slice sizes, and the naming :) Mar 14 03:24:52 _]-[andful__, yeah, I've opened the sheet Mar 14 03:25:26 <_]-[andful__> so you noticed that there's no "graphics" for the settings part..we are keeping that in another set Mar 14 03:25:51 I didn't notice ^_^ Mar 14 03:26:10 <_]-[andful__> and I think youtube / last.fm are included already in the sheet, but people will need to take care when doing plugins to be theme agnostic :) Mar 14 03:26:36 Yeah, they are Mar 14 03:26:48 as well as a few other miscellaneous icons Mar 14 03:26:59 <^JSN> is there any way to display album art for each mp3 in canola? Mar 14 03:28:38 <_]-[andful__> ^JSN : unm Mar 14 03:28:54 <_]-[andful__> I think not (being from the same album, not... but if you remove the album tag from your id3 Mar 14 03:28:59 <_]-[andful__> and add embedded album art yes Mar 14 03:30:44 <^JSN> not by defualt. everyone of my mp3's have embeded album art and it doesn't display Mar 14 03:30:55 'every' Mar 14 03:31:06 or better 'all' or 'each' Mar 14 03:31:07 :) Mar 14 03:31:18 <_]-[andful__> ^JsN : did you run canola-tuning ? Mar 14 03:31:42 <_]-[andful__> it's being integrated, but for now you need to install and run, it will detect the embedded art for you, do what needs for canola to show it correctly Mar 14 03:32:12 <^JSN> hmm Mar 14 03:32:15 <^JSN> i'm not sure Mar 14 03:32:23 <^JSN> i think it's installed but i don't think i've ever run it Mar 14 03:32:45 <_]-[andful__> :) yeah, do that it will get from any image in the album folder, then embedded, then fetchs from the internet Mar 14 03:32:50 <^JSN> do you run it? or does it run after it's installed? Mar 14 03:32:54 <_]-[andful__> also the video thumbnails Mar 14 03:32:57 <_]-[andful__> you need to run Mar 14 03:33:02 <_]-[andful__> it's a small python application Mar 14 03:33:06 <^JSN> oh yeah i have the album art downloader Mar 14 03:33:07 <_]-[andful__> it's probably on your extras Mar 14 03:33:10 <^JSN> it downloaded all of the album art Mar 14 03:33:19 <_]-[andful__> the downloaded, gets also from embedded Mar 14 03:33:24 <_]-[andful__> actually tries embedded first : Mar 14 03:33:26 <^JSN> which looks sweet. but it would be alot better if each mp3 displayed the album art Mar 14 03:33:59 <_]-[andful__> JSN : there's a small problem with that : when doing a heavy loaded screen like the album art Mar 14 03:34:10 <_]-[andful__> is impossible to "keep reading" from the mp3s itself Mar 14 03:34:21 <_]-[andful__> so, we do cache it in the best size possible for canola to us Mar 14 03:34:24 <_]-[andful__> use Mar 14 03:34:51 <^JSN> is the canola tuneing the video thumb and album cover apps? Mar 14 03:35:41 <_]-[andful__> yes Mar 14 03:35:47 <_]-[andful__> both apps Mar 14 03:36:13 <^JSN> ok well i have that and i've run them. they do download for the entire album, but it's only displayed when you view all albums. Mar 14 03:36:31 <_]-[andful__> let's go private Mar 14 03:36:34 <_]-[andful__> so you can explain me better Mar 14 03:36:46 <^JSN> ok Mar 14 03:37:22 jott: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xrandr/icons/ Mar 14 03:39:41 a bit hard to see the difference between left/right up/down :) Mar 14 03:39:57 dpad :) Mar 14 03:40:03 but try it Mar 14 03:40:13 i wonder how it will look in real menu Mar 14 03:40:56 _]-[andful__: I sent you a PM did you receive it? Mar 14 03:41:04 <_]-[andful__> yeah Mar 14 03:41:08 <_]-[andful__> I'm answering to you there Mar 14 03:41:12 jott, maybe i should do the photos with dpad led enabled Mar 14 03:41:21 hehe and use a n810 :) Mar 14 03:41:25 :) Mar 14 03:41:35 i have n800 :) Mar 14 03:41:41 i know :) Mar 14 03:41:47 but if someone has n810 he can make another icons set Mar 14 03:41:48 ;) Mar 14 03:43:18 something platform agnostic would be nice :) Mar 14 03:43:30 hmm, not true Mar 14 03:43:31 :) Mar 14 03:43:44 <_]-[andful__> jsn0327: do you see my pm messages also? Mar 14 03:43:49 platfor agnostic is 'normal, left, reverse, right' ;) Mar 14 03:43:52 no i'm not seeing them Mar 14 03:44:00 <_]-[andful__> so enter #canola Mar 14 03:44:11 KotCzarny: that's why i chose it in the first place :) Mar 14 03:44:15 <_]-[andful__> them we can talk more about that and not flood here Mar 14 03:44:22 yes, and i agree it's ok :) Mar 14 03:44:33 and any user can get used to it easily Mar 14 03:44:45 or just click through to get what he wants Mar 14 03:44:46 ;) Mar 14 03:45:15 4 options is not so much ;) Mar 14 03:47:01 and when they use xrandr later, they even know what the -o flags are called ;) Mar 14 03:47:15 yeah Mar 14 03:47:16 :) Mar 14 03:48:46 hi all Mar 14 03:53:38 http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/imagenes/newsletter/FREE-TILES.zip Mar 14 03:53:48 nice 'wallpaper' pack Mar 14 03:54:31 jott: hi, are you there? Mar 14 03:54:38 vivijim: a bit Mar 14 03:55:15 jott: thanks for your contribution on screen rotation! :D I loved you rotate-sb-plugin :) Mar 14 03:55:48 I couldn't test your patch of my patch to linux kernel yet because I have no micro usb cable at home Mar 14 03:55:49 you're welcome :) Mar 14 03:56:08 vivijim: use fanoush kernel flasher Mar 14 03:56:08 yeah the current solution is still not optimal Mar 14 03:56:09 :) Mar 14 03:57:23 jott: I'd like to know if it has fixed the blue screen that I get after screen switch off Mar 14 03:57:23 KotCzarny: I don't know it... where can I find it? Mar 14 03:57:32 vivijim: google? Mar 14 03:57:33 :) Mar 14 03:57:44 vivijim: yes, it's fixed Mar 14 03:57:44 :) Mar 14 03:57:48 vivijim: i guess you can easily spot the differences (update screen w/h) and setting the register cache.. Mar 14 03:57:59 KotCzarny: I'm looking for Mar 14 03:58:06 (though this is only needed when you rotate while in power save mode :) Mar 14 03:58:08 nice! Mar 14 03:59:29 vivijim: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Mar 14 03:59:30 :) Mar 14 04:00:12 I'm installing it. thanks! Mar 14 04:00:19 I can't wait to test it :D Mar 14 04:00:23 'installing' ? Mar 14 04:00:25 lol Mar 14 04:01:08 that's a big word for wget and untar :) Mar 14 04:04:47 ok i'm off for a bit.. laters Mar 14 04:04:52 go go Mar 14 04:04:53 :) Mar 14 04:04:55 and thx Mar 14 04:17:33 hmm, built-in flash isn't checked while writing Mar 14 04:17:40 CONFIG_MTD_ONENAND_VERIFY_WRITE is diabled by default in kernel Mar 14 04:22:58 it works! :D Mar 14 04:23:03 thanks jott Mar 14 04:23:21 jott: my patch was already applied to linux-omap.. please submit your one ;) Mar 14 04:48:20 is there a problem with stayin connected with ssh for a long time? Mar 14 04:48:30 no Mar 14 04:50:01 I haven't had a problem Mar 14 04:50:55 hrm... i am trying to run bittorent through ssh but after some time the connectin is lost and i must reboot my n800 to get the internet back Mar 14 04:51:15 just a battery drain Mar 14 04:51:19 because wifi-on Mar 14 04:51:29 (but it's wifi related, not ssh) Mar 14 04:51:40 * inteliwasp 's n800 is pluged in Mar 14 04:51:48 plugged in what? Mar 14 04:51:54 power Mar 14 04:52:27 i set wifi not to timeout too Mar 14 04:52:49 could be the other end dropping the connection Mar 14 04:53:33 or it could be the wireless router barfing from the number of BT connections Mar 14 04:53:39 how do you explain the need to reboot my n800? Mar 14 04:53:48 why would you want to run BT on a tablet? Mar 14 04:53:56 procto Mar 14 04:54:00 what's that Mar 14 04:54:20 arg, tiny kb......... Mar 14 04:54:31 heh Mar 14 04:54:35 I'll ask google Mar 14 04:54:53 * inteliwasp really needs a bt kb... Mar 14 04:55:20 btw i americ Mar 14 04:55:41 % @ , Mar 14 04:56:11 okay, what is procto Mar 14 04:57:10 btw i am not useing bt on my n800, i am SSHing in to my server Mar 14 04:58:20 i ment to tab you name but i was peckingg at the &$€£ing small kb too fast Mar 14 04:58:26 ah Mar 14 04:58:33 :p Mar 14 04:58:43 so you have bittorrent running you your server and you are sshed into your server Mar 14 04:58:58 er, running on Mar 14 04:59:22 yep, tunneling the gui version of bt Mar 14 04:59:22 but why are you tunneling bittorrent through ssh? Mar 14 04:59:51 so you are using a ssh tunnel to view the bittorrent gui? Mar 14 04:59:58 yes Mar 14 05:00:34 bc i cannot figure out how to set up vnc Mar 14 05:01:00 heh Mar 14 05:01:08 i mean remote desktop Mar 14 05:01:46 what OS is the server running? Mar 14 05:02:05 kubuntu linux Mar 14 05:02:24 hi inteliwasp Mar 14 05:02:32 6.061 i think... Mar 14 05:02:36 are you familiar with Konsole? Mar 14 05:02:50 yes Mar 14 05:03:04 do you know if i could use ttf font in konsole? Mar 14 05:03:16 or how to install pcf fonts for konsole, thanks :) Mar 14 05:03:47 ... um... ok i thought i new konsole... Mar 14 05:03:56 :) Mar 14 05:04:30 * inteliwasp brain has allready exploded today Mar 14 05:07:03 I'm gonna agree with KotCzarny and say it's not a ssh problem ssh isn't able to make your tablet loose it's wireless until you reboot Mar 14 05:07:18 Proteous, any ideas for my problem? Mar 14 05:07:32 oh Mar 14 05:08:56 is there a way to detach a tunneled gui? like with screen? Mar 14 05:09:24 with vncserver Mar 14 05:09:41 I don't have any experience with tunneled x Mar 14 05:10:19 got an install guide for kubuntu 6? Mar 14 08:11:05 Morning, all Mar 14 08:12:03 morning all Mar 14 08:12:13 morning. Mar 14 08:16:09 setanta: continued on debugging the problem with host resolving in scratchbox.. interesting. when saying 'host www.google.com' it resolves and 'wget www.google.com' it doesn't Mar 14 08:18:14 hi guys Mar 14 08:18:20 i bought 1 n800 now Mar 14 08:18:32 and wanna to install tools apps games... Mar 14 08:18:35 how can i do> Mar 14 08:18:36 ? Mar 14 08:19:09 iDS, go you downloads.maemo.org, find things you want, hit the "click to install" link Mar 14 08:19:13 wom, do /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf match, and the same for nsswitch.conf? Mar 14 08:19:24 ok and? Mar 14 08:19:34 wom, both inside scratchbox, that is Mar 14 08:19:39 i have C:\Download\canola2.install now Mar 14 08:19:47 what can i do with that? Mar 14 08:20:18 iDS, click the link on the tablet, not on PC Mar 14 08:20:30 oh? Mar 14 08:20:35 inz: you might have someting there.. i have been only looking to /etc/resolv.conf inside scracthbox target.. testing.. :) Mar 14 08:20:45 inz Mar 14 08:20:48 iDS, yes. :) or transfer the .install file to the tablet... and click on it in the file manager Mar 14 08:20:53 ummm what u mean? Mar 14 08:21:02 oh i got it Mar 14 08:21:14 but i need to have internet for install it>? Mar 14 08:21:19 yes Mar 14 08:21:22 o.O Mar 14 08:21:29 oh i don't have internet Mar 14 08:21:34 LOL Mar 14 08:21:35 what can i do now? Mar 14 08:21:52 it's pretty hard to install things on the tablet if it doesn't have internet access... Mar 14 08:21:57 i am seeig these lines: on pc Mar 14 08:21:58 [install] Mar 14 08:21:59 repo_deb_3 = deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free Mar 14 08:21:59 catalogues = extras Mar 14 08:21:59 package = canola2 Mar 14 08:21:59 [extras] Mar 14 08:21:59 name = maemo Extras Mar 14 08:22:01 uri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Mar 14 08:22:03 components = free non-free Mar 14 08:22:05 inz: thanks.. it did the trick. i only checked that /etc/resolv.conf inside target. not /scratchbox/etc/.. :D Mar 14 08:22:24 nice, just applied a real antiglare screen-protector instead of the shipping protection film Mar 14 08:22:30 really help me please Mar 14 08:22:40 it's THAT much better Mar 14 08:22:41 ids: real packages are .deb ones Mar 14 08:22:46 iDS, can you get internet access on the tablet? Mar 14 08:22:48 i thought i can download tools from internet anbd move them to my n800 Mar 14 08:22:49 copy the debs over usb Mar 14 08:22:52 that's really the easiest way Mar 14 08:23:05 johnx no i have just internet on my PC Mar 14 08:23:30 please guide me Mar 14 08:23:52 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/ Mar 14 08:23:54 go there Mar 14 08:23:58 and find your debs Mar 14 08:24:13 only there?? Mar 14 08:24:24 probably in other places too Mar 14 08:24:32 iDS, you don't have a wireless router? Mar 14 08:24:43 johnx no! Mar 14 08:24:55 look here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=1338 Mar 14 08:25:05 or on whatever other repository you wanted to use Mar 14 08:25:05 but yeah Mar 14 08:25:05 that's basically it. Mar 14 08:26:09 :''( Mar 14 08:26:17 but is there should be a way>? Mar 14 08:26:36 O.o Mar 14 08:26:43 It's a "Nokia Internet Tablet" ... it's made to be used with internet access Mar 14 08:26:44 i can download tools from maemo and then move and install on my n800 Mar 14 08:26:59 yes Mar 14 08:27:07 then install them using terminal Mar 14 08:27:07 please don't disapoint me? :( Mar 14 08:27:28 dpkg -i /path/to/your/files/package.deb Mar 14 08:27:35 I'll be back on later...maybe I'll be able to help you then Mar 14 08:27:43 ok tnx Mar 14 08:28:20 But you need root access for that Mar 14 08:28:38 yes i guess, use: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/your/files/package.deb Mar 14 08:29:03 But sudo doesn't allow you to do that by default Mar 14 08:29:11 oh. well Mar 14 08:29:49 can app-manager install packages from user dir? Mar 14 08:29:52 It is actually quite painful to install applications without internet connectivity on the tablet Mar 14 08:30:13 Kot, yes it can, but it won't install anything that isn't user/ -prefixed Mar 14 08:30:19 ids: how do you move the files to tablet? Mar 14 08:30:20 KotCzarny: yes Mar 14 08:30:21 Unless it is in red pill mode Mar 14 08:30:51 Manual dependency tracking is painful Mar 14 08:31:33 anyway, i should get some sleep Mar 14 08:31:37 night ppl Mar 14 08:32:17 ahh bundyo made a mplayer browser plug-in for tablet! Mar 14 08:33:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=152765#post152765 Mar 14 08:49:43 what's chinook Mar 14 08:51:21 code name for the os version Mar 14 08:51:48 also warm body of air that comes down from the mountains Mar 14 08:57:43 guys Mar 14 08:57:45 hey Mar 14 08:57:47 help Mar 14 08:57:54 someone has canola 2 .db Mar 14 08:57:57 .deb Mar 14 08:58:04 please send me now Mar 14 08:58:05 tnx Mar 14 09:01:46 oh http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/ Mar 14 09:01:47 :D Mar 14 09:02:18 but don't work? Mar 14 09:02:48 why? Mar 14 09:08:24 help Mar 14 09:09:17 you already know where to get it Mar 14 09:09:21 you just posted a link Mar 14 09:09:30 you can get the debs just fine from there Mar 14 09:09:48 or add the repository Mar 14 09:10:00 * truls doesn't know why it doesn't work for you Mar 14 09:10:05 yes but the page doen't work here Mar 14 09:10:10 you posted no errormessages or reasons why it doesnt work Mar 14 09:10:12 works for me Mar 14 09:10:16 try it again Mar 14 09:10:17 ok Mar 14 09:10:19 friend Mar 14 09:10:25 please send to me here Mar 14 09:10:31 * truls sends you to here Mar 14 09:10:39 canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 09:10:48 this yeah by irc Mar 14 09:10:53 thank u 1ooo Mar 14 09:11:00 i am new user here now Mar 14 09:11:04 i can tell Mar 14 09:11:18 download from the webpage Mar 14 09:11:18 oh please upload on rapidshare Mar 14 09:11:21 possible? Mar 14 09:11:22 haha Mar 14 09:11:28 are you for real? Mar 14 09:11:28 please Mar 14 09:11:33 yes Mar 14 09:11:38 that's hilarious Mar 14 09:11:39 www.rapidshare.com Mar 14 09:11:44 upload there for me Mar 14 09:11:56 please i need it and ur help Mar 14 09:12:03 tell me why you can't download from the webpage? Mar 14 09:12:18 * truls isn't going to upload anything on rapidshare or send on irc Mar 14 09:12:27 the file is readily available on web Mar 14 09:12:31 and repositories Mar 14 09:12:56 i don't mind pointing you in the right direction, but don't expect people to do stupid stuff like put on rapidshare Mar 14 09:13:06 ok Mar 14 09:13:07 well Mar 14 09:13:12 please give me a link Mar 14 09:13:27 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/ Mar 14 09:13:40 Authorization Required Mar 14 09:13:48 i just that text Mar 14 09:13:58 i get no such message Mar 14 09:13:59 please upload it somewhere for me now Mar 14 09:14:02 now? Mar 14 09:14:10 for god Mar 14 09:14:20 believe Mar 14 09:14:21 me Mar 14 09:14:31 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 09:14:33 i can't dowbload it there and don't know why Mar 14 09:14:35 * truls leaves Mar 14 09:15:05 i need user and pass oh wait Mar 14 09:15:49 i need user and pass? Mar 14 09:16:16 please give it to me Mar 14 09:17:17 finally can u help me? Mar 14 09:18:37 unique311 Mar 14 09:18:39 hi Mar 14 09:18:41 friend Mar 14 09:18:47 do u remember me? Mar 14 09:18:51 not really Mar 14 09:18:54 but hello Mar 14 09:18:57 are u black? Mar 14 09:19:15 brown, but i've been called black.. Mar 14 09:19:17 i wanted to buy n800 2 months later Mar 14 09:19:24 and we talked in the chan Mar 14 09:19:27 i bought it now Mar 14 09:19:29 :D Mar 14 09:19:31 cool Mar 14 09:19:36 enjoying it.. Mar 14 09:19:37 i need ur help Mar 14 09:19:41 shoot Mar 14 09:19:47 i can't download canola 2 from web Mar 14 09:19:53 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 09:19:54 :''( Mar 14 09:20:00 and don't know why? Mar 14 09:20:05 maybe site is down here Mar 14 09:20:16 can u upload it for me on somewhere now? Mar 14 09:20:22 do it from the application manager Mar 14 09:20:41 install it from the application manager. Mar 14 09:20:47 no i don't have internet for tablet now Mar 14 09:21:02 please upload this file for me now Mar 14 09:21:13 hold on Mar 14 09:21:21 what browser are you using Mar 14 09:21:25 that link works for me Mar 14 09:21:30 in firefox Mar 14 09:21:31 ok thank u 1000 Mar 14 09:21:38 i have IE 6 Mar 14 09:21:44 install firefox Mar 14 09:21:47 and then try again Mar 14 09:21:59 but if u upload it now must be faster Mar 14 09:22:03 please give it to me Mar 14 09:22:05 not really Mar 14 09:22:07 lol Mar 14 09:22:12 why> Mar 14 09:22:18 is it really hard for me? Mar 14 09:22:22 pleaseeeeeeeeee Mar 14 09:22:28 not legal Mar 14 09:22:29 sorry Mar 14 09:22:43 for god Mar 14 09:22:47 and i think canola has a bunch of dependencies Mar 14 09:22:48 someone help me here Mar 14 09:23:05 i don't think dl only that deb is going to be enough Mar 14 09:23:11 Definitely not Mar 14 09:23:16 please Mar 14 09:23:20 i need help Mar 14 09:23:20 You need python, ecore, python-ecore etc Mar 14 09:23:20 listen Mar 14 09:23:25 please understand Mar 14 09:23:27 help Mar 14 09:23:29 help Mar 14 09:23:31 wtf Mar 14 09:23:34 yes? Mar 14 09:23:40 dependencies Mar 14 09:24:01 you will not be able to install that deb by itself, and if you do manage with dpkg -i Mar 14 09:24:04 it will not work Mar 14 09:24:07 ok Mar 14 09:24:26 waiit till you have you tablet and do it from the application manager Mar 14 09:24:46 i don't have internet on my tablet Mar 14 09:25:00 so you have to wait till you do. Mar 14 09:25:05 why u don't want to understand it Mar 14 09:25:11 i need just that free file Mar 14 09:25:23 sorry Mar 14 09:25:27 so download firefox Mar 14 09:25:28 You need much more than that Mar 14 09:25:29 i am very sad now Mar 14 09:25:37 and then dl the file Mar 14 09:25:39 and disappoint from u Mar 14 09:25:45 damn to me Mar 14 09:26:01 I get it, you one of those troll thingies... Mar 14 09:26:19 very funny. haw haw haw... Mar 14 09:26:23 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 14 09:26:31 i am just seeing this Mar 14 09:26:50 do it from firefox Mar 14 09:26:56 give me the pass now? POSSIBLE? Mar 14 09:26:59 iDS: stop bothering people, you already have several solutions to your problem, if you would listen Mar 14 09:27:03 i hate firefox Mar 14 09:27:04 iDS: there is no passward Mar 14 09:27:10 lol Mar 14 09:27:13 thats a first Mar 14 09:27:18 a firefox hater Mar 14 09:27:32 trolls usually are Mar 14 09:31:08 * errordeveloper doesn't like firefox either Mar 14 09:31:21 Does it have too few errors? Mar 14 09:31:49 i consider even to switch back to the original mozilla Mar 14 09:31:52 well Mar 14 09:31:57 inz: lol Mar 14 09:32:57 but i just find it slow, mem hungry and not really behaving the right way Mar 14 09:33:08 the rendering bit is great Mar 14 09:33:36 but all the UI sucks, from my point of view Mar 14 09:34:31 I would like my browser to have only back button and location bar Mar 14 09:34:32 it could be more efficient to have some keyboard driven browser .. Mar 14 09:34:34 No menu or other buttons Mar 14 09:34:55 I never used opera enough to learn it, but I've understood that it has pretty decent keyboard navigation Mar 14 09:34:57 inz: yeah, something like that Mar 14 09:35:26 I actually got firefox to look like that, but then they changed something and the "History" menu appeared on top of my toolbar Mar 14 09:35:33 yeah, but opera has LOADS of fancy buttons Mar 14 09:36:28 inz: hm .. in fact , i think you can remove that ... Mar 14 09:36:38 http://inz.fi/ffox that's what my firefox used to look like (imagine borders around it) Mar 14 09:36:51 (never mind the bug shown in the image, it's fixed already) Mar 14 09:37:00 just to me the problem is with the popups and all that .. Mar 14 09:37:48 damn web dev's found new ways to create popups ;) Mar 14 09:39:00 like the way you manipulate links .. if it could have a little command line, where each link on a page could be stored as numberred variable Mar 14 09:39:16 you could still open it in a tab Mar 14 09:39:25 or a new win Mar 14 09:39:47 but to dowlnload would type something like Mar 14 09:39:59 error, check out vimperator Mar 14 09:40:03 down $14 /home/pub/inc/ Mar 14 09:40:14 or: down $14 /tmp/ Mar 14 09:40:56 inz: hm ..first time heard of that .. Mar 14 09:41:56 error, it's vim-like stuff for firefox Mar 14 09:42:12 WOW Mar 14 09:42:24 inz: realy, thanx for that ! Mar 14 09:42:29 sound lovely Mar 14 09:42:42 error, last time I tried it, it didn't work too perfectly, but it has some niceness in it Mar 14 09:42:55 error, like "numbered" links (it actually uses characters, but still) Mar 14 09:43:44 oh, great Mar 14 09:44:17 i'll try it out now :) Mar 14 09:44:35 I think it only works on fx2 for now Mar 14 09:45:37 * aquatix quite likes his customised Fx3b4 Mar 14 09:45:40 inz: is it like the devs are really into v3 ? Mar 14 09:46:22 hm .. i don't like the way they jump from 2.0.0.xx to 3.0.... Mar 14 09:46:36 why not 2.5 at least ? Mar 14 09:46:52 Because there's huge jump between 2 and 3 Mar 14 09:46:56 yeah Mar 14 09:47:00 the places thing etc Mar 14 09:47:03 and a new engine Mar 14 09:47:07 and quite a bit more Mar 14 09:47:14 i think it's justified Mar 14 09:47:27 Another question is whether 2.0 was justified Mar 14 09:47:52 myeah Mar 14 09:48:17 that was more because they felt like a major version was due Mar 14 09:48:24 i guess Mar 14 09:48:40 But opera's running in 9 already, they must be much better! Mar 14 09:48:45 besides, they wanted some features that are now in Fx3 in Fx2, but that wasn't feasible Mar 14 09:48:50 inz: :) Mar 14 09:49:04 and and, Netscape 9 then? Mar 14 09:49:28 Oooh, netscape niiinnnee... Mar 14 09:49:39 when they hit 10, I will jump ship! Mar 14 09:49:42 Oh wait... Mar 14 09:49:44 ;) Mar 14 09:50:02 netscape disappeared into /dev/null a short while ago Mar 14 09:50:45 inz: yeah, but doesn't opera team obey sort of commercial realeas numbering rulse (similar to photoshop or such) ? Mar 14 09:50:51 aqua, fortunately, the last releases were quite ugly Mar 14 09:51:06 error, Opera CS! Mar 14 09:51:37 opera 9.5b is quite nice Mar 14 09:51:49 but i like Fx3b4 better Mar 14 09:52:03 inz: well .. i'm not to sure ..there used to be photoshop 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 .. Mar 14 09:53:41 error, and we need a stripped down opera Elements too! Mar 14 09:55:55 Mmeh, bought a blackberry for my SO, unfortunately their services don't work in Finland :/ Mar 14 09:56:01 So you can't use the buil Mar 14 09:56:07 t-in email nor browser Mar 14 09:56:14 blackberries are overhyped Mar 14 09:56:25 their software isn't all that fancy Mar 14 09:56:37 auqa, yes, but there aren't that many pink smartphones Mar 14 09:57:29 the sonyericsson m600i was in shiny white? :) Mar 14 09:57:34 * aquatix hates pink gadgets ;) Mar 14 09:57:58 thankfully, my girlfriend dislikes pink stuff too Mar 14 09:58:04 so she has some light blue phone Mar 14 09:58:31 aqua, I don't hate pink (wouldn't want one for myself though) Mar 14 09:59:59 * aquatix has most hardware in black/silver and some antracite Mar 14 10:39:19 umm Mar 14 10:39:20 http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/repo/archive/ Mar 14 10:39:28 i need to install all deb file Mar 14 10:39:44 is it 6 levels for quetoo 2? Mar 14 11:13:32 hi Mar 14 11:13:34 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 11:13:41 firefox can't read it too Mar 14 11:13:45 i told u ah Mar 14 11:14:08 i really can't download it Mar 14 11:14:12 tell me how can i do? Mar 14 11:16:20 ??????/ Mar 14 11:19:24 HELP! Mar 14 11:19:30 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ <- click the INSTALL button? Mar 14 11:20:16 and. Mar 14 11:20:18 ? Mar 14 11:20:28 follow the instructions? Mar 14 11:20:30 just read... Mar 14 11:22:49 but Mar 14 11:23:48 friend Mar 14 11:24:00 canola page can't work here? Mar 14 11:24:23 i need 2 tools canm u upload them for me now? Mar 14 11:28:01 aquqtix Mar 14 11:28:05 please listen to me Mar 14 11:28:07 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Mar 14 11:28:39 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 11:28:50 it doesn't work here Mar 14 11:28:58 with none ie or firefox Mar 14 11:29:12 i am registered on maemo.org Mar 14 11:29:25 so please what's my problem? Mar 14 11:29:43 the page just say Mar 14 11:29:44 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 14 11:29:46 help Mar 14 11:29:47 help Mar 14 11:30:14 aquatix Mar 14 11:30:30 please upload only two files for me now in everywhere Mar 14 11:30:38 1 canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 11:31:03 2 python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb Mar 14 11:31:05 please Mar 14 11:31:13 i am here about 4 hours Mar 14 11:31:24 and couldn't solve my problem Mar 14 11:31:28 here is for help Mar 14 11:31:30 please Mar 14 11:31:39 shut up, what's the problem? Mar 14 11:31:54 read up Mar 14 11:32:14 well, your browser is broken Mar 14 11:32:19 because all the links work Mar 14 11:32:27 for god Mar 14 11:32:36 they don't work here Mar 14 11:32:40 please trust me Mar 14 11:33:00 i just see Mar 14 11:33:02 Authorization Required Mar 14 11:33:02 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 14 11:33:27 they do work here, if you can't download them wherever you are I can't see what we can do Mar 14 11:33:41 u can help me Mar 14 11:33:51 with upload these on a site Mar 14 11:34:04 just add them to a rar file and send to me Mar 14 11:34:17 erm Mar 14 11:34:22 please Mar 14 11:34:26 trust me :'''( Mar 14 11:34:29 you need to add the repository Mar 14 11:34:41 i can send you that .install fail Mar 14 11:34:44 repository how? where? Mar 14 11:34:46 *file Mar 14 11:34:50 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second.html Mar 14 11:34:50 ok Mar 14 11:34:52 same site Mar 14 11:34:52 send me Mar 14 11:34:53 ... Mar 14 11:34:55 why? Mar 14 11:35:02 have you even tried? Mar 14 11:35:06 yes Mar 14 11:35:11 about 4 hours here Mar 14 11:35:11 on that link? Mar 14 11:35:12 :''( Mar 14 11:35:26 try the url i just posted Mar 14 11:35:37 ok but/// Mar 14 11:35:38 ? Mar 14 11:35:44 I guess he goes through some broken firewall or something Mar 14 11:35:59 yes maybe i don't know Mar 14 11:35:59 i guess Mar 14 11:36:01 :"''( Mar 14 11:36:11 please upload these files for me Mar 14 11:36:13 only Mar 14 11:36:20 [15:00:40] 1 canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 11:36:21 [15:01:05] 2 python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb Mar 14 11:36:36 They're not enough Mar 14 11:36:42 sec... Mar 14 11:37:02 can you reach this file on your nokia? http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_files/base-repository.install Mar 14 11:37:05 .....i just bought my n800 today and don't know more for install filers... Mar 14 11:37:30 no i don't have internet on n800 now only pc Mar 14 11:37:44 iDS: the easiest way is to go with your n800's browser to that site Mar 14 11:37:46 oh Mar 14 11:37:47 and sorry Mar 14 11:37:54 just can see this text file Mar 14 11:37:56 install] Mar 14 11:37:56 repo_name = maemo Mar 14 11:37:56 repo_deb = deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free Mar 14 11:37:56 repo_deb_3 = deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free Mar 14 11:37:56 catalogues = maemo Mar 14 11:37:57 [maemo] Mar 14 11:37:59 name = maemo Mar 14 11:38:01 uri = http://repository.maemo.org/ Mar 14 11:38:03 components = free non-free Mar 14 11:38:05 just that! :( Mar 14 11:38:07 please don't post that here Mar 14 11:38:13 yeah, you have to open it on your n800 Mar 14 11:38:14 ok sure sorry Mar 14 11:38:16 :''( Mar 14 11:38:20 but it needs internet for that Mar 14 11:38:31 You really should rather find out what is broken with your web browser Mar 14 11:38:38 but if u send me these files then i can install by my pc Mar 14 11:38:39 that too Mar 14 11:38:47 Everyone else can access the packages, so it must be at your end Mar 14 11:38:55 yes i am very bad luck :( Mar 14 11:39:16 please can u upload and send me now? Mar 14 11:39:24 just add to rar file Mar 14 11:39:42 i don't know what dependencies it needs Mar 14 11:40:11 just send Mar 14 11:40:15 i need to test Mar 14 11:40:33 upload it on a host site like www.rapidshare.com Mar 14 11:41:12 http://dump.aquariusoft.org/files/maemo/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb Mar 14 11:41:29 thankkkkkkkkkkkk u Mar 14 11:41:43 what about python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb Mar 14 11:41:49 please do that too Mar 14 11:41:50 looking for it Mar 14 11:41:56 and python-ecore, and libecore, and... Mar 14 11:41:57 ok :) Mar 14 11:42:01 u are an angel Mar 14 11:42:03 respect Mar 14 11:42:12 i'll download them from my n810 Mar 14 11:42:16 sec... Mar 14 11:42:37 ok Mar 14 11:45:59 canola 2 didn't installed it needs many python Mar 14 11:46:08 yeah, uploading those python things Mar 14 11:46:10 second... Mar 14 11:46:45 thank u 1000 respect dude Mar 14 11:46:48 :D Mar 14 11:47:43 http://aquariusoft.org/files/maemo/ Mar 14 11:47:56 efl-core lightmediascanner hildon-imf-ecore atabake canolad.. Mar 14 11:48:05 aquatix, is canola2 beta 6 the latest offical release? Mar 14 11:48:14 thank u all are ready now? Mar 14 11:48:17 qos_: not sure, frankly Mar 14 11:48:20 iDS: yeah Mar 14 11:48:28 aquatix u are the best of the best person here Mar 14 11:48:37 heh, thanks Mar 14 11:48:48 but it really helps to fix that firewall or gateway ;) Mar 14 11:48:54 and maybe get internet on your n800 Mar 14 11:49:02 because then it's easy to install Mar 14 11:49:05 just two clicks Mar 14 11:49:09 friend what about efl-core lightmediascanner hildon-imf-ecore atabake canolad......i saw them on my canola problem section here... Mar 14 11:50:09 don't know Mar 14 11:50:17 they are not on my device as .deb's anymore Mar 14 11:50:55 ok please wait i am testing please also upload python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb tnx Mar 14 11:52:01 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python-runtime/python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb Mar 14 11:52:14 thank u dude 1 min plz Mar 14 11:52:25 found that with google ;) Mar 14 11:52:59 nono Mar 14 11:53:08 http://repository.maemo.org don't work here Mar 14 11:53:17 please ur own upload if possible Mar 14 11:53:27 sec... Mar 14 11:53:56 ok, on that same page as the other python packages Mar 14 11:54:05 respect Mar 14 11:54:44 1 min plz Mar 14 11:56:18 about ython2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb it said unable to install incompatible application package Mar 14 11:56:21 please all Mar 14 11:56:42 iDS, you need to enable red pill mode Mar 14 11:56:56 iDS, google will tell you how Mar 14 11:57:04 yes Mar 14 11:57:38 also i can't install nothing of python and said the same up message Mar 14 11:58:06 iDS: well, then enter the red pill mode first, like inz says Mar 14 11:58:37 the red pill mode? where is it? Mar 14 11:58:53 13:56 < inz> iDS, google will tell you how Mar 14 11:59:04 yes will try now Mar 14 12:04:09 how can i register on repository.maemo.org? it always needs pass and user...and i am an user on maemo.org Mar 14 12:06:05 erm, i don't have to register on repository.maemo.org? Mar 14 12:06:05 Something is really broken if you need user and pass there Mar 14 12:08:16 yes guys Mar 14 12:08:42 listen i have just internet on my pc and want to download n800 apps there Mar 14 12:08:50 and move to my n800 and install Mar 14 12:09:00 is it an hard way? Mar 14 12:09:35 no Mar 14 12:09:52 just double click on the package and the app manager will open to install the app Mar 14 12:10:24 double click on the package!!! on my pc? Mar 14 12:11:07 my n800 hasn't wlan or internet...my only internet is pc Mar 14 12:11:22 what is the reason for not having N800 connected to internet. It is really crippled without internet Mar 14 12:11:36 i want to download n800 stuffs with my pc then move to my tablet Mar 14 12:11:38 just that Mar 14 12:11:51 wom- Mar 14 12:11:58 yes i feel u but Mar 14 12:12:05 i can't at the moment Mar 14 12:12:13 fugitivo Mar 14 12:12:31 u always download these with pc or with ur tablet? Mar 14 12:12:59 ids: no, double tap on the device Mar 14 12:13:39 fugitivo yes u first move the tools from ur pc to ur tablet device and will install them there yes? Mar 14 12:13:44 i download with my tablet, but when i test some stuff i just transfer the package to the device and install it from there Mar 14 12:14:13 oh my problem is here i can download with my pc now! Mar 14 12:14:15 yes, move the package to the tablet, then install it from there Mar 14 12:14:26 fugitivo Mar 14 12:14:28 dear Mar 14 12:14:40 please tell me how u can install canola 2? Mar 14 12:15:22 dear? Mar 14 12:15:25 lol Mar 14 12:15:50 : Mar 14 12:15:52 canola needs a lot of dependencies, it's better to install it directly from the tablet Mar 14 12:16:05 just go to a bar with wifi and install it from there Mar 14 12:16:34 oh Mar 14 12:17:09 but other way? Mar 14 12:17:28 download it from internet with pc and now for n800? Mar 14 12:21:05 by the way guys Mar 14 12:21:08 look here Mar 14 12:21:09 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=52&release_id=710 Mar 14 12:21:15 here is 2 files Mar 14 12:21:23 1 deb and other is tar.gz Mar 14 12:21:38 ut needs to copy tar.gz on my sd? Mar 14 12:23:34 yes? Mar 14 13:00:17 hey , how to disable the calling app running when the camera stick is out (on the nokia 800) ? Mar 14 13:00:49 it's in the preferences for the internet call app Mar 14 13:00:57 menu -> tools -> settings or something Mar 14 13:01:03 johnx: cool, thnx Mar 14 13:01:04 :))) Mar 14 13:01:38 may be ..it'd rather start the camera utility .. Mar 14 13:02:19 maybe the camera popping out generates a d-bus event? Mar 14 13:02:28 proly Mar 14 13:02:46 i see ..this is the feature of the internet call app Mar 14 13:02:54 listen for it and run a program when it happens? Mar 14 13:03:07 ok .. may be Mar 14 13:03:41 when i have time, i'll check if a basic shell or perl script could do :) Mar 14 13:04:07 check out dbus-monitor Mar 14 13:05:20 sure :) Mar 14 13:07:57 errer, IIRC there's a gconf key for that Mar 14 13:09:52 . Disable video chat from loading on camera coming out "gconftool-2 --set --type bool '/system/osso/af/launch-on-camera' 'false'" Mar 14 13:10:19 yeah...or the click one checkbox in the app... Mar 14 13:25:27 hmm i'm curious about something Mar 14 13:25:38 what's the point of having mouse coordinates expressed in doubles ? Mar 14 13:28:05 does the the hardware touchscreen do sub pixel accuracy? Mar 14 13:28:37 guardian: for drawing apps theres a lot of point Mar 14 13:34:30 also, there are mice and tablets with a higher resolution than the screen displays Mar 14 13:38:03 makes sense Mar 14 13:38:12 makes less sense for small touchscreen devices Mar 14 13:38:35 i guess the touchscreen also has higher res than the lcd Mar 14 13:38:44 that's mostly the case Mar 14 13:38:52 Morning. Mar 14 13:39:03 besides, Xomap is a partial port of x.org iirc, so why change all that stuff? Mar 14 13:39:12 programs/toolkits expect it Mar 14 13:39:15 morning SDuensin Mar 14 13:59:28 hola Mar 14 14:09:14 hi peoples! is it possible to run old abi arm binaries on the n800 ? (is the right kernel bit set?) Mar 14 14:10:11 I can check the kernel .config to see, but a new kernel isn't that hard to compile Mar 14 14:11:32 CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y Mar 14 14:11:37 you're in luck I guess Mar 14 14:14:21 johnx: thanks ;) Mar 14 14:37:10 hi, good night Mar 14 15:42:28 is there some python module to work with berkeley db on maemo (chinook)? Mar 14 16:17:09 hello :-) Mar 14 16:17:47 where do I get XChat for OS2008? (catalog) Mar 14 16:20:06 one moment Mar 14 16:20:47 maemo extras? Mar 14 16:20:54 ~gronmayer? Mar 14 16:20:55 i guess gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it Mar 14 16:21:36 :-) Mar 14 16:22:15 not sure it's in ther Mar 14 16:26:48 is there a way to stop the gui - or prevnt it from starting (on a n800) - killling Xomap seems to trigger a full reboot ;) Mar 14 16:27:34 sorry, not with default Maemo Mar 14 16:28:06 wait, you can switch X server Mar 14 16:28:20 e.g. use some Debian armel Mar 14 16:28:22 pusling: You could disable liveguard reboots with a rd flag.. Mar 14 16:28:29 :> Mar 14 16:28:38 even beter Mar 14 16:28:54 X-Fade_: how ? (I feel pretty clueless afther having been 20 minutes at the device ;) Mar 14 16:29:27 pusling: ./flasher-3.0 --help ;) Mar 14 16:30:04 pusling: The flasher can also set r&d flags on the device. No need to flash a new image with it.. Mar 14 16:30:43 Does the PyMaemo include curl? I keep getting 'libcurl' not found-type errors. Alternatively, is there a way to do socket calls? Also appears to be 'not found'. Mar 14 16:31:12 X-Fade_: I have set the generic rd flag with the flasher thingie. I guess I need to locate some docs on how to set different? flags ? Mar 14 16:31:29 RyanE, there's a python2.5-pycurl Mar 14 16:32:20 it looked like that was installed in my scratchbox, but when I tried to code with it, it wasn't found. how can I tell if it's installed? Mar 14 16:32:38 pusling: no-lifeguard-reset Mar 14 16:32:58 RyanE, dpkg -l | grep python2.5-pycurl Mar 14 16:33:50 pusling: --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset to be exact.. Mar 14 16:34:07 yeah. Mar 14 16:34:09 well, that'd be the problem. Not installed in my scratchbox. duh. Mar 14 16:34:29 X-Fade_: no - --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Mar 14 16:34:47 lmoura: thanks. Mar 14 16:34:58 RyanE, no problem Mar 14 16:35:03 pusling: no-retu-wd and no-omap-wd can be of help too. Mar 14 16:35:19 pusling: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ Mar 14 16:35:26 RyanE, also make sure that the resolv.conf file is updated inside scratchbox, or pure python sockets won't work Mar 14 16:35:51 I usually copy to both /scratchbox/etc/ and the target's /etc Mar 14 16:36:20 Does the default chat have a jabber contact list? Mar 14 16:36:54 uhm, roster Mar 14 17:58:14 hey folks Mar 14 17:58:38 does anyone know is it by any chance possible to switch discount code from austrian to german webshop? Mar 14 17:59:51 peple... do any of you know what photo viewer is shown at 1:05-> here? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ Mar 14 18:00:11 if its a available one i mean Mar 14 18:09:27 It looks good Mar 14 18:09:37 Ah. the photo viewer is quiver Mar 14 18:09:51 * konttori likes canola more though Mar 14 18:10:41 hm the opengl es part is even more interesting :) Mar 14 18:11:27 well... n810 has the capability. so maybe they have something that allows to use it. Mar 14 18:11:39 perhaps you should ask them? Mar 14 18:11:47 there was email at the end of the video Mar 14 18:12:01 yeah, might be worse to ask if they give me their powervr drivers :) Mar 14 18:12:10 worth Mar 14 18:12:10 .. Mar 14 18:12:11 hehe Mar 14 18:12:29 or it was just a software renderer.. Mar 14 18:13:58 could well be Mar 14 18:14:13 there has been opengl es software renderer for the n810 before as well Mar 14 18:14:27 the speed in video didn't look very fast Mar 14 18:14:38 not the kind of fast you would expect from opengl stuff. Mar 14 18:14:44 (HW) Mar 14 18:23:41 Cptnodegard, forget the photoviewer - they say opengles is involved Mar 14 18:24:12 lcuk: which is? Mar 14 18:24:20 3d rendering Mar 14 18:24:25 oic Mar 14 18:24:35 they show it on the nokia (whales swimming) which is faster than any opengl i have seen on the device Mar 14 18:24:48 is it just possible they are finally enabling the pvr? Mar 14 18:25:15 dont ask me, i dont know shit :D Mar 14 18:25:32 the software doesnt actually look all that advanced though - the nokia is not actually rendering the highres video - its just a remote control Mar 14 18:25:55 the remote screen stuff can already be done with x11vnc and stuff and it is realtime Mar 14 18:26:12 lol Cptnodegard you know enough to find the link Mar 14 18:26:34 and something i saw on youtube called mpc-whatever-something Mar 14 18:27:11 excellent reporting - you should work for the bbc ;) Mar 14 18:27:23 or engadget Mar 14 18:27:34 "nokia remote control remote controls nokia style" Mar 14 18:28:18 well i use my nokia as a remote control right now - i have a little proggy on nokia for volume playback and a daemon on my pc to translate for me Mar 14 18:28:19 it was something i stubled over... it controlled vista media center Mar 14 18:28:41 anyway - tea is more important - well spotted and thx for sharing Mar 14 18:28:58 lol Mar 14 18:54:09 heh - how do I change osso-xterm font? Mar 14 18:54:31 anyone having issue with irssi,osso-xterm and n810 and finnish keyboard. :) Mar 14 18:54:51 no issues here with german one Mar 14 18:54:59 a with dots and o with dots dont show correctly Mar 14 18:55:15 i think irssi needs tweaking Mar 14 18:55:23 AStorm, in the settings Mar 14 18:55:34 like, diese äöüÄÖÜ Mar 14 18:55:45 Tools -> Settings, then click on font settings Mar 14 18:56:22 my problem is this Ã¥ ä ö :) Mar 14 18:56:31 no, the default encoding is utf-8 Mar 14 18:57:12 irssi can do the charset conversion, and so can screen Mar 14 18:57:17 how do i get rid of the bar when using the keyboard and still see keyboard state? Mar 14 18:58:18 WHEN will maemo and ITOS upgrade to gcc 4.x? Mar 14 18:58:19 wom-: they're correct Mar 14 18:58:38 pupnik: who cares? Mar 14 18:58:50 gcc 3.4 is broked Mar 14 18:59:31 just build gcc 4 package yourself Mar 14 18:59:54 it's debian after all Mar 14 18:59:56 gcc 4.x built programs are incompatible Mar 14 19:00:14 AStorm: dont work for me :) Mar 14 19:00:25 only c++ Mar 14 19:01:37 wom-: heh, just set LC_ALL correctly Mar 14 19:02:44 AStorm: i have to do that. it just funny to tweak these with every new linux device :) Mar 14 19:02:50 btw, where can i get some tool to mod keyboard layout? Mar 14 19:03:38 wom-: switch to UTF-8 and be done with it once and for all Mar 14 19:04:26 yep, but shell that i am using is living in past Mar 14 19:08:20 wom-: it should still support it Mar 14 19:08:49 you are right Mar 14 19:09:47 and now it works :) Mar 14 19:09:50 äö Mar 14 19:10:24 so with dropbear installed, i'm trying to log in to ssh and can't.. connection closes after typing in my password. any ideas? Mar 14 19:10:37 greets - I'm investigating using the Nokia 810 platform and can't quite determine from OMAP2 specs if it has an FPU for floatingpoint - any confirmation? Mar 14 19:10:40 s/in to/in with Mar 14 19:11:35 tharvey: vfp i believe Mar 14 19:12:26 I couldn't confirm that either - I would assume a VFP would act like an FPU as far as gcc is concerned - anyone have any details on how many MFLOPS the 810 can do? Mar 14 19:12:48 run a benchmark? Mar 14 19:13:30 right - has anyone here run a benchmark like that? I don't have an 810 to run it on yet Mar 14 19:14:30 http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html Mar 14 19:15:53 saw no mention here http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 of a VFP or FPU - states its an ARM11 core but not exactly which ARM11 core Mar 14 19:16:28 arm1136j-s Mar 14 19:16:48 pupnik, for sure? that doesn't have the FPU unit Mar 14 19:17:32 that's a gcc option Mar 14 19:17:52 oh Mar 14 19:18:27 tharvey: you got some benchmark you want me to run? Mar 14 19:18:35 where does the Notes application store its notes? Mar 14 19:18:36 what's a gcc option? Mar 14 19:19:04 pupnik, ya if you could - let me see what would be easiest to build and run Mar 14 19:19:09 hi Mar 14 19:19:54 is there a dictionary for maemo? Mar 14 19:20:07 english to other? Mar 14 19:20:18 i have compiled kcxlator Mar 14 19:20:19 :> Mar 14 19:20:36 could anyone pastebin a dmesg output for me showing the kernel bootup on an N810? Mar 14 19:22:41 dmesg doesn't give me boot messages Mar 14 19:23:53 add dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log early in rc2.d Mar 14 19:35:00 tharvey: i believe dsp core could be usefull Mar 14 19:35:55 i've seen reference to things like soft-float (float emulation) being sped up by a DSP but I'm not sure how one would take advantage of that with the OMAP2 - I would think you would need a specific library Mar 14 19:36:35 probably Mar 14 19:36:50 but still, free cycles Mar 14 19:36:51 :) Mar 14 19:38:36 Did somebody say free cycles? Mar 14 19:38:51 * KotCzarny hides Mar 14 19:39:26 * Brains is reminded that he needs to look for a bt connection manager app... Mar 14 19:41:40 It's quite painful to use the dsp efficiently Mar 14 19:43:35 no pain -- no gain Mar 14 19:44:28 I believe there's not a single working useful open source dsp tasks around which probably tells something about the level of the difficulty Mar 14 19:45:15 i doubt difficulty is a barrier. more like bang for buck Mar 14 19:45:43 more like learning curve Mar 14 19:45:43 tharvey: this OMAP has DSP instead Mar 14 19:45:46 Do any opensource things take advantage of the jazille things Mar 14 19:46:03 (arm java accelerator) or is that just transparant Mar 14 19:47:26 from what i udnerstand jazelle isnt used, but i might be wrong Mar 14 19:47:46 as for using the dsp for things, there isnt much point until you have a function which needs mega power Mar 14 19:47:56 (processing power) Mar 14 19:48:02 like mplayer Mar 14 19:48:12 init is too expensive? Mar 14 19:48:24 but the cpu itself is really good and can seemingly do most things efficiently - of course there are specific tasks the dsp works nicely for Mar 14 19:48:34 (to use it as a FPU replacement) Mar 14 19:48:37 free cycles! Mar 14 19:48:40 * KotCzarny hides Mar 14 19:49:22 witing a fpu lib using dsp would be nice Mar 14 19:49:49 storm - i would be more inclined initially to try normal fpu, then drop to naked asm shifted ints, then to the SIMD instructions then after exhausting all that i would probably get a new machine before even thinking "hmmm maybe the dsp" ;) but all that may change soon Mar 14 19:50:22 thats actually a nice idea though, but beware - when the dsp is enabled the cpu slows down Mar 14 19:50:43 atorm: actually (r)fft using dsp would be nice Mar 14 19:50:44 :> Mar 14 19:50:56 lcuk: only on unpatched kernel Mar 14 19:50:57 ;) Mar 14 19:51:00 yup, that "overclock" Mar 14 19:51:02 and its a seperate core so its not in sync with your normal cpu Mar 14 19:51:35 KotCzarny: where’s the patch? Mar 14 19:51:50 KotCzarny, again, same problem - work with what the majority have and assume they wont upgrade and you will get a system which everyone can use Mar 14 19:51:54 astorm: it's a simple array replacement Mar 14 19:52:03 lcuk: that’s actually good Mar 14 19:52:08 i can give you my file if you want Mar 14 19:52:27 lcuk: if upgrade is worth it, they will follow Mar 14 19:52:29 :) Mar 14 19:52:29 ah, but itll reduce dsp power, right? Mar 14 19:52:39 yup Mar 14 19:52:44 but you're not using dsp much Mar 14 19:52:46 anyway Mar 14 19:52:48 :) Mar 14 19:52:52 heh Mar 14 19:52:52 yes - to keep the cpu up at fullspeed you have to lower dsp and vice versa Mar 14 19:53:06 blah blah Mar 14 19:53:26 astorm: do you prefer kernel or source file? Mar 14 19:53:30 it would be good to get a dsp library up and running Mar 14 19:53:34 dsp at fpu will be faster than cpu doing softfpu anyway Mar 14 19:53:41 whatever the speed.. Mar 14 19:54:15 i thought we did have fpu hardware - if not that explains why my code with sqrt was slow ;) Mar 14 19:54:35 KotCzarny: later - now i have to write a few pointless things Mar 14 19:54:40 lcuk: have you seen article pupnik pasted? Mar 14 19:54:46 nope.. Mar 14 19:54:49 link? Mar 14 19:55:10 http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html Mar 14 19:57:57 thx kot, all that rings a bell - i thought we had hardware but forgot it wasnt enabled :) all because of those damned 32bit opcodes (which incidentally are amazing if used properly) Mar 14 19:58:15 yeah.. Mar 14 19:58:33 like dsp .. (which will amazing if used properly ;) Mar 14 19:58:44 it also explains why gcc still outputs branch instructions inline - if its thumb it has to Mar 14 19:58:59 and also like pvr (which will be amazing if used properly ;) Mar 14 19:59:27 it doesn't matter what, as long it improves overall performance Mar 14 19:59:27 :) Mar 14 19:59:38 there is an fpu? Mar 14 19:59:43 yup Mar 14 19:59:46 tradeoff though isnt it - speed vs space Mar 14 19:59:47 huh. Mar 14 19:59:59 luria: but using it right now can be detrimental Mar 14 20:00:07 why did they do pd anywhere integer based... Mar 14 20:00:08 because most of the code is compiled for thumb Mar 14 20:00:29 and switching cpu between thumb and vfp modes is slow Mar 14 20:00:35 hmmmm Mar 14 20:00:46 thumb code = 16bit opcodes - smaller executable. hardware fp needs the full 32bit opcodes which take up more space Mar 14 20:00:57 os2008HE (32bit) Mar 14 20:01:01 that would be nice Mar 14 20:01:02 :) Mar 14 20:01:05 any takers? Mar 14 20:01:06 * Luria has pd on the brain, and in a background process Mar 14 20:01:12 KotCzarny, it isnt so bad if you write a tight little loop which does LOTS of work in full opcode mode and then reverts back to thumb Mar 14 20:02:21 anyone need a neat s/w chromatic guitar tuner with reference tones ? :-) Mar 14 20:02:40 luria: i guess there will be audience ;) Mar 14 20:02:43 not me though Mar 14 20:03:07 Handy to tune my iphone air guitar! Mar 14 20:03:17 if you can use it to tune guitar hero stick then my son will have it off ya! Mar 14 20:03:29 lol keesj i was gonna ask if its multitouch ;) Mar 14 20:04:06 well it's multiplatform - written on osx, debugged on kubuntu, tweaked under windows :-) Mar 14 20:04:23 running under symbian? Mar 14 20:04:24 :) Mar 14 20:04:34 does vfp reduce battery life much? Mar 14 20:04:50 http://gige.xdv.org/pda/hardware.php Mar 14 20:04:54 no :-) Mar 14 20:05:20 no love for symbian? :( Mar 14 20:05:21 ;) Mar 14 20:05:29 maemo, tho. (though they dont seem to support the correct spelling) Mar 14 20:05:49 wow, actually using the dsp as a ... dsp Mar 14 20:06:09 heh Mar 14 20:06:10 pardon me, i was stuck in scrollback Mar 14 20:06:29 :) Mar 14 20:06:56 which is funny, cause as i'm learning /playing with pd, i'm thining, how can i use this not for music? Mar 14 20:07:00 hmm Mar 14 20:07:08 is code for mp3enc task open? Mar 14 20:07:57 Luria: Meamo (Nokia Webpad) -> Mamona (Nokia Internet tablet) Mar 14 20:09:24 Luria: will that tuner work on a ukulele? ;) Mar 14 20:09:33 yes Mar 14 20:10:05 wow, another newyorker Mar 14 20:10:25 manhattanite. Mar 14 20:10:33 metropolitanite Mar 14 20:10:34 native at that. Mar 14 20:12:23 fysa, yeah, its a simple chromatic tuner, i just tuned a E1 string on a bass at ~40hz... Mar 14 20:12:32 where can I find it? Mar 14 20:12:44 on my computer :-) Mar 14 20:12:49 you want a copy? Mar 14 20:12:52 aha Mar 14 20:13:08 it was a way of learning the basics of puredata Mar 14 20:13:21 send me a URL and I might check it out over the weekend Mar 14 20:13:23 and subliminal messages Mar 14 20:13:33 yes. Mar 14 20:14:20 his tones will reprogram you Mar 14 20:14:27 it's stupidly simple, but actually useful. Mar 14 20:14:43 I will generate a 60Hz tone so I can nap peacefully. Mar 14 20:15:17 wasn't it under 8? Mar 14 20:18:07 http://members.aol.com/networktcp/research/brain.htm Mar 14 20:18:08 heh Mar 14 20:18:41 that is the sound I play when the ladies visit Mar 14 20:18:55 harley sound? Mar 14 20:18:56 :> Mar 14 20:20:00 the 60hz is for a childhood spent without a street light outside of my bedroom window ;) Mar 14 20:20:07 er, with a street light Mar 14 20:20:10 :> Mar 14 20:20:14 ah, electricity Mar 14 20:20:18 in EU it's 50hz Mar 14 20:20:36 inflation :) Mar 14 20:20:39 and australia Mar 14 20:21:01 because of 50hz we got higher resolution displays :) Mar 14 20:21:13 pal was much better than crappy ntsc ;) Mar 14 20:21:16 it's all digital now Mar 14 20:21:20 'tis true Mar 14 20:21:35 I used to run my Amiga in PAL modes from time to time. Mar 14 20:21:45 i ran in pal mode all the time Mar 14 20:21:52 * KotCzarny run amiga in PAL modes all the time Mar 14 20:21:57 (more screen estate) Mar 14 20:22:10 and most games ran too fast Mar 14 20:22:12 ntsc looked crap ;) (im in the uk) Mar 14 20:22:15 in ntsc Mar 14 20:22:15 :) Mar 14 20:22:20 interlacing was a wonderful thing.. Mar 14 20:22:26 :> Mar 14 20:22:34 now it only causes anguish. Mar 14 20:22:51 on a 14 inch screen it was amazing, but it helped the opticians to make tonnes of money from me Mar 14 20:23:41 i eventually ran on a black and white high res monitor for ages Mar 14 20:23:49 hehe Mar 14 20:23:50 * lcuk is not interested in color Mar 14 20:23:58 composite output ruled Mar 14 20:24:15 so.. undisturbed Mar 14 20:24:15 ;) Mar 14 20:24:50 I never got to try one of the wonderfully chunky (non-planar) third-party graphics cards. Mar 14 20:25:12 i think think in planes Mar 14 20:26:07 i remember seeing the chunky to planar functions and thinking how inelegent they were for the amiga Mar 14 20:26:18 * lcuk drifts off on a paralax layer Mar 14 20:26:39 * KotCzarny distorts lcuk's registers Mar 14 20:27:04 I think ARexx was my first true love. Mar 14 20:27:23 * KotCzarny used amos Mar 14 20:27:32 arexx :) software designed to be interoperable by default Mar 14 20:27:32 lack of internet and docs Mar 14 20:27:33 :) Mar 14 20:28:34 fwiw Mar 14 20:28:35 http://www.lipstadt.com/projects/tuneup.1.zip Mar 14 20:28:51 i remember the swath of documentation which was supplier with the amiga - that more than anything in a time without internet helped to focus on the system Mar 14 20:29:07 please dont distribute tho - it needs some polish before i set it free Mar 14 20:29:13 sur Mar 14 20:29:14 sure thing Mar 14 20:30:16 should run on pd .39 or later Mar 14 20:31:01 you *will* almost certainly need to modify the adc~ argument Mar 14 20:31:57 probably just removing the 3 will do Mar 14 20:38:19 huh. 38.89 hz is odd. Mar 14 20:39:09 Hmm, noBounds looks intriguing if even vaguely real. Mar 14 20:39:23 * KotCzarny remembers burning tweeters using amos syth generator written by himself Mar 14 20:39:38 synth Mar 14 20:40:24 cmos Mar 14 20:41:00 im hitting close to the resonant frequency of something here. Mar 14 20:41:14 resonance is fun Mar 14 20:41:15 ;) Mar 14 20:41:20 (didnt think these monitors could do 39hz. live and learn) Mar 14 20:42:10 live and let burn Mar 14 20:42:46 ever since i got this delta 1010 it's been fun. Mar 14 20:45:27 today is pi's day Mar 14 20:46:09 yeah. just sent out a pi sms to my math peeps. Mar 14 20:46:34 Something else is doing all the work on that noBounds stuff.\ Mar 14 20:48:51 haha. because of the mix/normalization of the reference and line input along with the monitor mode on my sound card, the tuner is acting as a digital delay effect. heh. Mar 14 20:48:56 AStorm, how would my gcc compiled apps take advantage of floating point via DSP? Is that something gcc supports for this target? Mar 14 20:49:16 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4233 Mar 14 20:49:17 :> Mar 14 20:51:15 tharvey: no, gcc doesn't do the magic for you Mar 14 20:51:43 it's more like distributed computing? Mar 14 20:51:52 (over 2 cores :) Mar 14 20:51:58 what 'it'? Mar 14 20:52:04 lol Mar 14 20:52:36 sending data set and receiving results? Mar 14 20:52:37 :) Mar 14 20:52:44 somewhat Mar 14 20:52:52 so how would I perform float ops efficiently? Mar 14 20:53:16 sled p0wnage. Mar 14 20:53:22 the first thing off my head would be to say "you don't" Mar 14 20:53:54 tharvey, outsourcing! Mar 14 20:53:58 :) Mar 14 20:54:09 rwhitby: no, there's no softfpu dsp lib yet Mar 14 20:54:20 or such a target Mar 14 20:54:50 ok, so for all intesive purposes OMAP2 doesn't have anything like an FPU that could be utilized? Mar 14 20:54:53 currently Mar 14 20:55:00 vfp? Mar 14 20:55:13 yes, it has hardware fpu but you need to enable 32 bit mode. Mar 14 20:55:29 ARM1136JF-S has a VFP but not ARM1136J-S which is what I'm told the OMAP 2420 has Mar 14 20:55:36 would it be feasible to just create a math library using the hardware fp and see if it can be utilised Mar 14 20:55:44 i think you mean "intents and purposes," though i guess the point of an fpu is [math] intensive purposes. Mar 14 20:56:14 well, I'm trying to evaluate the N810 for use with a float intensive application Mar 14 20:56:17 tharvey: does -mfpu=vfp generate code incompatible with vfp-less cpu? Mar 14 20:56:40 tharvey, i can tell you 100%, the n810 DOES NOT FLOAT. keep it away from water Mar 14 20:57:25 tharvey: provide some code, i will benchmark it Mar 14 20:57:37 lcuk, , http://www.otterbox.com/products/otterbox/3000/ Mar 14 20:58:00 its a patch :-) Mar 14 20:58:32 more like mod Mar 14 20:58:34 :) Mar 14 20:58:37 ok, i will use it next time i am swimming the channel :D these things aren't insurable against shark attack are they? Mar 14 20:58:56 who cares Mar 14 20:58:57 KotCzarny, thanks - I'm looking for some sort of simple floatingpoint benchmark that is easy to compile/run now Mar 14 20:59:03 shark will be after you not nokia ;) Mar 14 20:59:17 tharvey: anything that gcc can compile Mar 14 20:59:18 :) Mar 14 20:59:33 just wait until i show it full flash running in a browser - it would soon stop gnawing at my leg and take interest Mar 14 21:00:13 and then bite off your arm? Mar 14 21:00:18 eheheh Mar 14 21:00:23 all 3 arms Mar 14 21:00:41 look, heres a pic of a shark who wanted to borrow the guys nokia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/13/wshark113.xml Mar 14 21:00:42 oh i thought thats what he meant by leg Mar 14 21:00:58 sharks with nokia are like us - they are interested in thumb Mar 14 21:01:47 land is good. Mar 14 21:08:03 tharvey: check http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp and look for VFP11 Mar 14 21:08:34 what kind of floating point operations do you want to do on the tablet? Mar 14 21:12:30 the vfp in the omap2420 doesn't seem to be very powerful, integer only optimized codecs (tremor, theora) seems to be fast as floating point versions. Or faster. Mar 14 21:13:13 kulve: that's not true, VFP is hard to optimize and gcc sometimes generates heavily suboptimal code Mar 14 21:13:30 ssvb, I don't know exactly - I'm just tasked with evaluating a couple of platforms - single precision I'm sure, but I don't know more about it yet Mar 14 21:14:16 ssvb: well, at least the latter part of my sentence is true Mar 14 21:14:27 kulve: which one? Mar 14 21:14:31 I'm still not convinced that the 2420 even has the VFP - is it using the ARM1136JF-S core then, not the ARM1136J-S? Mar 14 21:14:57 ssvb: that tremor is faster that vorbis and integer theora is faster than the floating point version Mar 14 21:15:01 tharvey: it does have VFP Mar 14 21:15:17 yeah, that's a fact Mar 14 21:15:22 tharvey, if anyone would know it would be ssvb.. Mar 14 21:15:30 :> Mar 14 21:15:58 kulve: ffvorbis is as fast as tremor in my tests, and has a very good potential for further optimizations Mar 14 21:16:19 ssvb: I just checked whois ssvb and stop arguing with you :) Mar 14 21:16:53 lol - its not wrong to discuss things - if we did not test the boundaries we would not evolve Mar 14 21:16:56 chicken Mar 14 21:17:01 yup Mar 14 21:17:09 even bad point of view can be usefull Mar 14 21:18:59 kulve: VFP just has a very high latency, it can perform single precision floating point multiplication (and accumulation) on each cycle, but if the instructions are not scheduled properly and you want to use the result immediately in the next instruction, the pipeline will stall for 8 cycles Mar 14 21:19:21 ssvb, ok I'll take your word for it - so your indicating that gcc will use the VFP for float opts - you use a -mfp=vfp then? Mar 14 21:20:57 tharvey: '-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp' Mar 14 21:21:40 ssvb: what will happen without -mfloat-abi switch? Mar 14 21:23:00 kulve: it all means that improperly scheduled code can perform 8x slower than optimal, it makes floating point performance heavily dependent on the compiler or the human who is writing code Mar 14 21:23:56 thanks so much for the info Mar 14 21:24:22 i got an n800 and trying to boot it off mmc slot. after cloning internal over to card tar says there were some errors any ideas? Mar 14 21:24:30 using gnu tar not busybox tar Mar 14 21:25:19 KotCzarny: I don't remember exactly, but if you miss the needed option, you will not get VFP instructions generated :) Mar 14 21:25:28 hum Mar 14 21:25:31 :) Mar 14 21:27:08 KotCzarny: you can always make a simple test program and check assembly output for various gcc options Mar 14 21:27:58 ssvb:i usually just test the program as the whole.. Mar 14 21:28:08 only problem is time Mar 14 21:28:10 when compiled with different switches Mar 14 21:28:31 * lcuk might make an automatic tester Mar 14 21:35:49 KotCzarny: actually '-mfloat-abi=softfp' is the only needed (and required) option to use VFP Mar 14 21:37:04 from gcc man: softfp allows the generation of floating point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions Mar 14 21:37:30 but wouldn't it need to know what fpu i use? Mar 14 21:37:39 or is it cpu independent? Mar 14 21:38:06 gcc for target has default options knowing what you are building it for Mar 14 21:38:07 ? Mar 14 21:38:18 lcuk: depends on gcc config Mar 14 21:38:42 but when you are compiling in scratchbox targetting armel isnt that all pretty much setup Mar 14 21:38:44 if it's true that whole itos was build without vfp then gcc will have vfp disabled too Mar 14 21:38:48 (by default) Mar 14 21:48:25 KotCzarny: you can easily mix softfloat and vfp code (function arguments are still always passed to functions in integer ARM registers) Mar 14 21:49:17 hey Mar 14 21:49:53 is jott's rotation thingy easy to install? Mar 14 21:50:56 i was always disappointed with the lack of rotation on n800 Mar 14 21:51:02 yes Mar 14 21:51:15 as simple as installing 2 debs and 1 kernel flash Mar 14 21:51:16 :) Mar 14 21:51:23 less than 10min of work Mar 14 21:51:36 the second part i've never done Mar 14 21:51:39 works stable and fast Mar 14 21:51:55 n800music: it's simple Mar 14 21:52:14 do i have to be root? Mar 14 21:52:19 of course Mar 14 21:52:20 :) Mar 14 21:52:46 i've done that ince but i forgot how to Mar 14 21:52:55 once* Mar 14 21:53:17 astorm: join #kotc, nie mam zarejestrowanego nicka na freenode Mar 14 21:53:42 aha Mar 14 22:00:52 how do i become root? Mar 14 22:01:11 install ssh server? :) Mar 14 22:01:41 i think i have it Mar 14 22:02:04 arent i sposed to type something in xterm? Mar 14 22:04:59 sudo gainroot works too Mar 14 22:08:39 xterm, ssh, it's nearly the same Mar 14 22:09:06 Enable RD mode if you want to break your device Mar 14 22:09:10 hehe Mar 14 22:09:21 rd mode? what for? Mar 14 22:09:37 sudo gainroot Mar 14 22:09:45 anyway, bedtime Mar 14 22:09:53 noooooooooo Mar 14 22:10:17 bbl :) Mar 14 22:10:35 http://sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 14 22:10:35 noooooo Mar 14 22:10:36 k Mar 14 22:10:37 is all you need Mar 14 22:10:40 have fun :) Mar 14 22:10:45 thanks Mar 14 22:27:40 * Cymor is back (gone 19:53:59) Mar 14 22:38:17 hi, i have compiled and installed latest gstreamer on scratchbox and I was wondering if there's a way to package this to a debian package to install this on n800. Any pointers? Mar 14 22:39:20 hi there Mar 14 22:39:39 I just installed latest scratchbox and maemo sdk with the scripts, on a 32 bits lenny Mar 14 22:39:48 I wanted to install maemo-explicit Mar 14 22:39:56 but osso-clocks fails at configure Mar 14 22:40:09 saying it's not allowed to chgrp settimezone Mar 14 22:40:17 is that a known error ? Mar 14 22:40:44 i have seen that on mine, but didn't have trouble proceeding Mar 14 22:41:41 well then osso-clock is not configured Mar 14 22:41:44 and blocks other packages Mar 14 22:41:52 I'm not really a dhcp guru, I'm used to rpm Mar 14 22:41:55 so I'm discovering Mar 14 22:44:06 hmm... not being able to chgrp looks like more permission problem Mar 14 22:44:16 rather than dhcp Mar 14 22:46:03 yes, it's a permission problem Mar 14 22:46:08 but I can't figure it out Mar 14 22:46:37 have you tried sudo or fakeroot? Mar 14 22:47:01 I'm using fakeroot I guess Mar 14 22:47:10 all my files belong to the maemo user (me) Mar 14 22:47:15 *all the files Mar 14 22:47:20 happy Pi Day everyone Mar 14 22:47:28 it's almost over for me :) Mar 14 22:47:31 13 min left Mar 14 22:47:38 happy steak&bj day you mean :D Mar 14 22:47:40 so, some binaries belong to root Mar 14 22:47:50 among them, settimezone Mar 14 22:47:55 i dunno, if you havent tried it give it a blast :) Mar 14 22:48:03 what ? Mar 14 22:48:04 sudo ? Mar 14 22:48:14 fakerootery Mar 14 22:48:29 faggotry Mar 14 22:48:57 opengl-es! look at this: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ Mar 14 22:49:16 I *am* using fakeroot Mar 14 22:49:16 anders_gud, seen it :D the whales made me smile Mar 14 22:49:35 actually I am using the standard install... Mar 14 22:49:47 has lardman seen it? Mar 14 22:49:59 not sure Mar 14 22:50:27 anders_gud: where does it mention openglES ? Mar 14 22:50:59 logos in the movie... Mar 14 22:51:14 at the end Mar 14 22:51:16 and show an anim running faster than i have seen ogl up to now Mar 14 22:51:43 i think i saw gears running at a pathetic speed, but this whale was deffo animated Mar 14 22:53:11 oooh wait - hang on Mar 14 22:53:29 they are using a smaller part of the screen on the 810, so it's possible that it's the mbx running Mar 14 22:53:45 anders_gud, watch it again - they spin a city view first on the big screen - then they show it together - the city has 2 buildings instead of the 100 or so in big Mar 14 22:54:11 this is still using base models - it appears to be a much more simlplified view Mar 14 22:54:13 yeah i saw that... Mar 14 22:54:23 and theres only 2 whales on the run Mar 14 22:54:24 lcuk: yeah, I'd spotted that Mar 14 22:54:37 its not using the pvr Mar 14 22:54:42 There's almost certainly another processing unit involved externally. Mar 14 22:54:45 no way would it need reduction Mar 14 22:55:08 yes, the hd video is being served and decoded direct from the pc - its just essentially mirrored software Mar 14 22:55:28 anders_gud: OMG! Mar 14 22:55:53 the pic viewer looks interesting though - it appears to be sdl though because it judders Mar 14 22:56:46 Which, either makes it 1) a proof of concept showing what a theoretical future device could do (the PC in your pocket idea), or 2) it's not actually going to be practical as you'll lug around a laptop to do all the heavy work, and then it's just a VNC connection ;-). A small USB -> VGA/S-Video device with drivers would be cool, tho' Mar 14 22:57:07 It seems ITT is being /.ed Mar 14 22:57:27 (metaphorically, at least) Mar 14 22:57:38 damn, i just went looking for the article Mar 14 22:58:39 hey - i just rewatched that whale bit - its not even in sync or even same anim... Mar 14 22:58:45 nope Mar 14 22:59:14 charletons! Mar 14 22:59:23 can anyone tell me what wifi chip/driver is being used on the N810? Mar 14 22:59:23 At /best/ I think we might be looking at a USBVGA dongle and drivers for the wifi projectors and stuff that exist (but I've never seen in practice). I suspect the rest is like a concept car at a motor show Mar 14 22:59:30 USB->VGA devices exists and are cheap Mar 14 22:59:47 ds3: indeed, I wasn't suggesting they were new. Mar 14 23:00:25 not cheap Mar 14 23:00:35 well, not here Mar 14 23:00:42 I still hope the mbx is running the external Mar 14 23:01:03 And rare. An official dongle (in fact, any official after-sales hardware) would be a step up from Nokia Mar 14 23:01:32 agree Mar 14 23:01:39 anders_gud, why would they use the mbx for external and not for internal? Mar 14 23:01:55 lcuk: aren't there pipeline issues with the use of the external framebuffer? Mar 14 23:01:57 pupnik: is $53USD too much? Mar 14 23:02:42 jaffa - nahhh something just doesn't add up about all that - even at worst case we could still get frames out faster than having to do it all in software Mar 14 23:03:05 75 dollars in germany Mar 14 23:03:18 lcuk: money'll be the main reason, any technical problems are an excuse not to spend the money ;-) Mar 14 23:03:24 its gotta be nokia politics Mar 14 23:03:31 yer agreed Mar 14 23:04:13 * Jaffa wonders how things would be different if Nokia did to Maemo and the NIT hardware what Psion did to Symbian, Acorn did to ARM, Ford did with Visteon etc. Mar 14 23:04:38 Spin them out as a separate company where the success of the company is solely dependent on the success of the device. Mar 14 23:05:31 It would run Windows. Mar 14 23:06:14 pupnik: donno how much VAT/duties are but - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4838 for $52.93 w/free shipping Mar 14 23:07:29 ds3: i take it back, that's not expensive Mar 14 23:07:34 you're right Mar 14 23:09:45 i just wish they offer a simple NTSC out on those Mar 14 23:15:30 lcuk, steak and bj? youve been reading /. dotdotdot Mar 15 00:36:42 it seems n810 need a good pim Mar 15 00:36:51 Pimlico Mar 15 00:37:17 Just needs syncing, which is in progress Mar 15 00:39:49 i see Mar 15 00:40:05 however, it seems to look better in openmoko Mar 15 00:41:12 nah Mar 15 00:41:23 Personally, I've never been a fan of the openmoko look Mar 15 00:42:21 what's the main use of n810 besides internet Mar 15 00:42:24 the pimlico stuff looks like any other hildon app Mar 15 00:44:42 GPS? Mar 15 00:44:44 Music? Mar 15 00:44:49 Your choice on how to use it Mar 15 00:59:09 Does anybody have a clue why usbcontrol doesn't work on my N810? Mar 15 00:59:26 or rather host mode Mar 15 01:02:50 putterson: what are you trying to plug in? Mar 15 01:04:10 Jaffa, a usb drive Mar 15 01:06:21 But the thing is that the controller won't go into host mode. with usbcontrol it just stays at b_idle Mar 15 01:10:30 and if I echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode then cat it back it stays at b_idle Mar 15 01:33:01 putterson: is it externally powered? Mar 15 01:33:16 Tama^2, the usb drive? Mar 15 01:33:21 if it draws more than 100ma it will not work Mar 15 01:33:23 yes Mar 15 01:33:41 It is not externally powered but I do not think that is the problem. Mar 15 01:33:48 My controller wont go into host mode Mar 15 01:33:52 it stays at b_idle Mar 15 01:34:43 mmm I am afraid I cannot help with that, do not know enough Mar 15 01:36:54 how many mA does the human body use? Mar 15 01:37:55 O.o Mar 15 01:38:36 * pupnik is in b_idle too Mar 15 01:38:40 I was unaware humans were capable of 'using' electric current as nourishment xD Mar 15 01:40:35 well watts Mar 15 01:40:42 calories -> joules -> watts eh Mar 15 01:48:12 Gah, I'm in that "too tired to go to bed" state Mar 15 02:10:05 anybody want to work on pocketSNES? Mar 15 02:10:09 :/ Mar 15 02:10:14 i got it running Mar 15 02:10:56 just tired too... Mar 15 02:16:34 hmm, I can reliably cause my N800 to lose it's wireless connection by sending large amounts of data with scp Mar 15 02:16:59 exist some process to remove my SD memory from n800 ? like unmount ? Mar 15 02:17:17 umount /media/mmc1 Mar 15 02:17:34 thought normally it will unmount when you open the cover Mar 15 02:17:41 it is done automatically when you open the battery cover or the external slot Mar 15 02:18:01 johnx: interesting, but not good! Mar 15 02:18:10 yeah I know :/ Mar 15 02:18:30 mmmm not the memory near of battery Mar 15 02:18:56 another slot bottom n800 Mar 15 02:19:05 do you have a swap file on the card? is a program accessing the card when you open the cover? Mar 15 02:19:53 nop Mar 15 02:20:26 then I don't know. it really should automatically unmount when you open either of the covers... Mar 15 02:20:51 and if it fails to unmount it should pop up an error message Mar 15 02:22:47 * zodman googlin manual **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 15 02:59:56 2008