**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 16 02:59:56 2008 Mar 16 04:13:44 http://www.xgps.ro/product_info.php?pName=gps-receiver-wbt201 Mar 16 04:13:50 precision <2m Mar 16 04:13:51 :> Mar 16 04:14:22 Time to First Fix (TTFF) : < Average 3.5/34 sec. (Hot/Cold start) Mar 16 04:34:22 http://www.zen35309.zen.co.uk/gps/ linux and wbt-201 Mar 16 04:34:55 http://www.zen35309.zen.co.uk/gps/n800.png on N800 Mar 16 04:35:11 cool Mar 16 04:35:15 nice find Mar 16 04:35:20 but it costs ~120EUR Mar 16 04:37:12 hmm Mar 16 04:37:19 sale price of 95$ Mar 16 04:37:19 wow Mar 16 04:38:58 ummmm Mar 16 04:39:00 guys Mar 16 04:39:01 hello Mar 16 04:39:02 :D Mar 16 04:40:04 106$ with a s&h, hum hum :) Mar 16 04:40:27 ummmm i always see my n800 has a wlan connection...where is wifi? i need to do somw setting? Mar 16 04:41:47 there is an icon on the top right area of the screen, next to the battery icon Mar 16 04:42:57 hi johnx :D i am iDS :D Mar 16 04:43:19 johnx the icon can read wlan is it for wifi too?? Mar 16 04:43:26 wlan = wifi Mar 16 04:43:36 :''D Mar 16 04:43:59 so i don't need to seetting somewhere on my n800 Mar 16 04:44:24 just click the icon and select an access point from the list Mar 16 04:44:28 yes? on my control panel..? Mar 16 04:44:35 yes Mar 16 04:47:33 ok how are ya? Mar 16 04:48:26 pretty good Mar 16 04:49:19 :D Mar 16 04:49:40 n800 can read mkv files? Mar 16 04:49:56 x264 Mar 16 04:51:52 ? Mar 16 04:51:59 I don't know, I think it says in the instruction manual that came with it Mar 16 04:52:03 or look on nokia.com Mar 16 04:52:31 yes Mar 16 04:59:30 is there someone on games? Mar 16 04:59:50 no Mar 16 05:00:23 really strange Mar 16 05:00:45 Not really Mar 16 05:00:45 what do you mean by "is there someone on games?"? Mar 16 05:00:48 why? Mar 16 05:01:04 lol Mar 16 05:01:10 cos here is about 230 users now Mar 16 05:01:26 maybe he meant #games Mar 16 05:01:36 220 sessions/bots Mar 16 05:01:40 and 10 users Mar 16 05:01:48 or something like that Mar 16 05:01:50 5 of them sleeping though Mar 16 05:02:09 lol Mar 16 05:02:13 oh i have no idea who's on #games Mar 16 05:02:41 nono lol Mar 16 05:02:44 * johnx johnx is sleeping *and* a bot Mar 16 05:02:46 and one of them typing annoying nonsense Mar 16 05:02:54 my mean is playing the games on internet tablet devices Mar 16 05:03:16 I am in #games now >.> Mar 16 05:03:35 THE games? what games? Mar 16 05:03:50 like shadow walker doom... Mar 16 05:03:58 shadow warrior? Mar 16 05:03:58 oh THE english ... Mar 16 05:04:00 xD Mar 16 05:04:01 hmm, who said today to go easy on non-native speakers? Mar 16 05:04:03 *grin* Mar 16 05:04:15 what the hell is that? Mar 16 05:04:22 yes Mar 16 05:04:27 KotCzarny: you are just a pedantic nerd Mar 16 05:04:31 you'll have more luck finding out about a lot of this stuff on internettablettalk.com/forums Mar 16 05:04:34 just be patient Mar 16 05:04:35 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 Mar 16 05:04:47 and read a lot, then read some more Mar 16 05:04:50 i'm just unforgiving Mar 16 05:04:50 :> Mar 16 05:04:54 tama , no that's me Mar 16 05:04:56 umm :I Mar 16 05:48:40 I feel bad when things don't work ok for ppl Mar 16 05:48:59 But there will always be a percentage who will have problems, or no fun with them Mar 16 05:49:31 So as long as some people enjoy it, that's good Mar 16 05:49:44 :> Mar 16 05:50:22 * KotCzarny mirrors imagechan Mar 16 05:53:55 good ones there Mar 16 05:54:49 600 sucked, 4500 to go Mar 16 05:56:45 :) Mar 16 05:57:10 i have yet to find a gif viewer with animation support Mar 16 05:57:16 (other than fireox) Mar 16 05:57:16 :) Mar 16 06:00:28 gwenview does Mar 16 06:00:34 it's kde and slow to start Mar 16 06:00:41 huh Mar 16 06:00:58 and something without heavy depends? Mar 16 06:01:12 xzgv and xv don't do animated gifs Mar 16 08:33:59 morning all Mar 16 08:34:47 hi Mar 16 08:51:29 Anyone happen to recall where maemo keeps wireless network definitions? Mar 16 09:05:50 ah, got it Mar 16 09:08:58 hello Mar 16 09:09:57 from which repo can i download basic tools like bzip2 and cron? Mar 16 09:14:31 AStorm: http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 check if you can find a repo from here Mar 16 09:15:02 checked there i think Mar 16 09:18:12 cron I found in a repo but you can use the tar file too. let me check Mar 16 09:18:35 hmm, should be in extras... Mar 16 09:18:45 i mean, bzip2 Mar 16 09:19:02 couldn’t find it Mar 16 09:19:27 cron's here Mar 16 09:19:27 http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/cron-4.1.deb Mar 16 09:19:57 bzip2 should be in a repo on gronmayer, I have it installed on my N800 Chinook Mar 16 09:21:09 it should be in maemo-extras Mar 16 09:21:31 quick question 192.168.2.15 is the default usb networking ip right? from the maemo wiki, it says that. Mar 16 09:21:34 but i can’t see it in app-manager Mar 16 09:21:56 Put the app manager into red-pill Mar 16 09:22:21 Generally, from what I've noticed, more command line apps show up in red pill Mar 16 09:22:25 hmm Mar 16 09:22:39 have to install some switcher Mar 16 09:22:50 from where? Mar 16 09:23:15 switcher for red-pill? Mar 16 09:23:23 you can do it straight from app manager interface Mar 16 09:23:43 huh? Mar 16 09:23:58 it’s a fresh n810 Mar 16 09:24:05 what switcher are you on about lol? Mar 16 09:24:42 idk Mar 16 09:24:54 i still know little about maemo Mar 16 09:25:11 ok, if you want to go into redpill mode: Go to "Tools > Application catalogue", click "New", enter "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, click "Cancel". Choosing the red pill will activate the red pill mode, obviously, and chosing the blue one will deactivate it. Mar 16 09:25:16 Do that in application manager Mar 16 09:25:30 mhm Mar 16 09:25:32 Then try searching again for available applications for bzip Mar 16 09:27:00 It's recommended to put the Tablet back into blue pill mode when you are done (personally, being lazy, I just keep it in red pill) Mar 16 09:28:40 thanks! :) Mar 16 09:28:46 np :) Mar 16 09:28:47 hehe Mar 16 09:30:40 lol, app man died Mar 16 09:31:04 It does that when too much apps are trying to be displayed... Mar 16 09:31:18 Just give it time and get bzip and put it back into blue pill :) Mar 16 09:33:09 got bzip, checking the rest Mar 16 09:33:33 oh right :) Mar 16 09:34:09 * Jaffa 's App Manager died last night (in blue pill mode with just a couple of repos enabled) Mar 16 09:34:55 Lol why? Mar 16 09:35:03 No idea. Seg fault type thing Mar 16 09:35:05 yeah, it tends to do that ;/ Mar 16 09:35:09 First time I'd ever seen that Mar 16 09:35:43 I actually saw mine do it on the 1st day I got it. I added ALL the repo's from gronmayer & set it into red pill... Mar 16 09:35:53 www sometimes crashes too Mar 16 09:39:40 nokia should use dejavu fonts Mar 16 09:40:46 I believe you can install your own fonts but I have no idea on how to do it Mar 16 09:41:13 Put them in /home/user/.fonts. Mar 16 09:41:19 ^ Step 1) Mar 16 09:41:23 Step 2) There is no step 2. Mar 16 09:41:32 Lol, thanks :D Mar 16 09:42:16 qwerty12, there is a ttf-dejavu package in maemo-extras Mar 16 09:43:03 brb Mar 16 09:43:31 hmm, I may try it out then. But i remember installing that bytecode freetype lib in itt wiki, it made fonts nicer but it messed up my terminal keybindings. But I guess this is just fonts Mar 16 09:47:15 Indeed Mar 16 09:52:18 I'm looking at the dejavu deb for chinook, the fonts install to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu . Does that make a difference? Mar 16 09:58:11 qwerty12: that's the right place for debs to install, but as a user dropping in /home/user/.fonts is easier (no need to elevate to root privilege) Mar 16 09:58:34 Oh, ok thanks Mar 16 10:00:08 yeah, dejavu sans mono is so much better Mar 16 10:02:43 hey rm_you :D Mar 16 10:02:51 aha! Mar 16 10:02:54 spring break LO Mar 16 10:02:59 nice Mar 16 10:03:00 s/LO/:P/ Mar 16 10:03:00 rm_you meant: spring break :P Mar 16 10:03:17 still have one essay to write tho >_< damnit Mar 16 10:03:44 pft, breaks are for wussies Mar 16 10:03:52 anyway, it's 5am, gotta go to sleep so i can wake up in time to walk to the taco place before they close at 2pm :P Mar 16 10:03:53 * aquatix doesn't have one Mar 16 10:04:03 rm_you: :) Mar 16 10:04:11 * johnx wants tacos :| Mar 16 10:04:11 poor aquatix Mar 16 10:04:35 * rm_you also wants tacos. still. Mar 16 10:04:46 * qwerty12 wants chicken wings & chips :P Mar 16 10:05:04 * aquatix just had breakfast sandwiches, shut up about food ;) Mar 16 10:05:21 :P Mar 16 10:05:24 aaaanyway Mar 16 10:05:32 I had microwave pizza for breakfast :P Mar 16 10:05:44 ah? any good? Mar 16 10:06:06 doesn't that become mushy? Mar 16 10:06:17 It's actually quite normal Mar 16 10:06:29 It just has cheese & tomato sauce in it Mar 16 10:06:47 http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=29.466279&lon=-98.492721&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2 Mar 16 10:06:54 you people, eat healthier! ;) Mar 16 10:06:58 johnx: :P Mar 16 10:07:28 AStorm: as said, i had breakfast with some nice sandwiches Mar 16 10:08:03 AStorm, UK is the fattest country in Europe afaik, I'm upholding our honour :P Mar 16 10:08:35 Although, saying that, I'm not fat :D Mar 16 10:09:02 rm_you, I don't think there is one close to me :/ Mar 16 10:09:07 :( Mar 16 10:10:09 * aquatix feels thin Mar 16 10:10:29 heh Mar 16 10:11:11 * aquatix is the thin kind of geek ;) Mar 16 10:11:14 johnx: you should label your apartment :P http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=35.441652&lon=139.633484&z=10&l=0&m=a&v=2 Mar 16 10:11:44 I don't really feel a need to advertise where I live... Mar 16 10:11:48 lol Mar 16 10:11:50 heheh Mar 16 10:11:57 johnx: i wouldn't do that too :) Mar 16 10:12:00 i labeled my house for the hell of it :P Mar 16 10:12:07 good for you :P Mar 16 10:12:15 Time to put on my ski mask... Mar 16 10:12:33 qwerty12, cold where you are, or going to rob a bank? Mar 16 10:12:52 I'm going to rob something... Mar 16 10:13:04 My computer is loading up wikimapia Mar 16 10:13:05 ... Mar 16 10:13:33 lol Mar 16 10:14:59 meanwhile... sleep :P Mar 16 10:15:36 rm_you: hf Mar 16 10:15:37 Perfect..., you don't have a alarm right? :P Mar 16 10:15:38 'night rm_you Mar 16 10:15:43 good nite Mar 16 10:15:48 @rm_you Mar 16 10:16:03 lol, i'm like... on the other side of the country :P Mar 16 10:16:19 don't underestimate robbing by proxy Mar 16 10:16:23 lol Mar 16 10:16:44 don't underestimate my father's shotgun :P Mar 16 10:16:47 * rm_you sleeps Mar 16 10:16:48 heheh Mar 16 10:16:48 telnet robber.example.com 8080 ; GET stuff-from-your-house Mar 16 10:17:01 wget rm_you.net/* Mar 16 10:17:04 morning Mar 16 10:17:09 or rather Mar 16 10:17:15 wget -rl rm_you.net Mar 16 10:41:02 johnx are u there? Mar 16 10:41:11 hi Mar 16 10:41:40 hi Mar 16 10:42:25 Italodance, hey Mar 16 10:42:47 how can i contact to maemo website? Mar 16 10:42:57 wherer is their email? Mar 16 10:45:51 Italodance: there are many addresses for different things. to contact them about the maemo.org site try webhost@maemo.org Mar 16 10:46:04 blah, the default sip chat doesn’t support stun Mar 16 10:46:49 thank u christefano Mar 16 10:47:01 need some client that knows stun. Any hints? Mar 16 10:47:03 sure. good night everyone Mar 16 10:47:15 good nite Mar 16 10:47:17 i tried to download apps games with my n800 0s2008 but got the same problem here! WHY? Mar 16 10:47:30 my problem is this::::: Mar 16 10:47:31 Authorization Required Mar 16 10:47:33 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 16 10:47:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mar 16 10:47:33 Apache/1.3.33 Server at stage.maemo.org Port 80 Mar 16 10:47:47 your proxy is broken Mar 16 10:47:51 @AStorm; is stun this: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/img/acct/acct06c.png Mar 16 10:47:59 Because if so, rtcomm beta supports it Mar 16 10:48:05 hmmm Mar 16 10:48:17 rtcomm beta upgrades your built in client Mar 16 10:49:06 yes, that Mar 16 10:49:13 what's my problem? Mar 16 10:49:19 mhm, where do i get it? Mar 16 10:49:34 hi Mar 16 10:49:37 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 16 10:49:42 hi @ woodong Mar 16 10:50:05 mhm Mar 16 10:51:35 :) Mar 16 10:52:13 :''( Mar 16 10:52:15 please Mar 16 11:01:57 christefano Mar 16 11:02:07 the only contact is webhost@maemo.org Mar 16 11:02:12 ?????? Mar 16 11:04:06 ? Mar 16 11:05:01 notices@maemo.org Mar 16 11:16:30 Italodance, what page are you trying to access? Mar 16 11:24:04 afaict notices is reserved for a very specific purpose... Mar 16 11:29:57 still no luck with sip ;) Mar 16 11:30:09 :( Mar 16 11:33:52 Italodance: try raising a bug at bugs.maemo.org Mar 16 11:36:04 Italodance: i tried to download apps games with my n800 0s2008 but got the same problem here! WHY? Mar 16 11:36:11 what are you trying to downoad ? Mar 16 11:37:34 It's a problem with the maemo.org server which is why it's affecting you both Mar 16 11:38:04 no i just copy pasted his "question" Mar 16 11:38:18 i'm fine, i stay away from *.maemo.org :D Mar 16 11:43:51 ah Â:-) Mar 16 11:44:25 @guardian, Maybe use quote marks? :) Mar 16 11:45:37 in fact i'm doing what i did when i used mirc on windows Mar 16 11:45:49 it dislays [message] Mar 16 11:45:58 so copy pasting that is not embiguous Mar 16 11:46:08 however with colloquy on my mac; it's nick: message Mar 16 11:46:18 thus looking like i'm talking to him Mar 16 11:46:35 Oh right :). I use mirc when I am in windows, x-chat in my linux , pidgin on my N800 :D Mar 16 11:46:37 thx everyone, this is all for the lousy details of the day :D Mar 16 11:54:43 I have a quick n00b question to developers, how to run a program from c code? I quickly edited it to this: http://pastebin.com/d29978fd8 and when I compile, I get this: http://pastebin.com/d791bd73f . Please bear with me, I cannot develop at all :( Mar 16 11:56:43 that's not C Mar 16 11:57:12 c++? I cannot develop :D, I just want to make a change to the code someone else wrote Mar 16 11:57:37 that looks like a shell script, unless I'm confused Mar 16 11:57:58 qwerty12: try system("xmodmap -e 'keycode 114 = Right' -e 'keycode 111 = Up' -e 'keycode 113 = Left' -e 'keycode 116 = Down'"); Mar 16 11:58:22 #include in the beginning of the c file Mar 16 11:58:25 qwerty12, ok, give us some more details :) Mar 16 11:58:53 The code is here: http://sse2.net/rotate/rotate-sb-plugin-0.1.tar.bz2 Mar 16 11:59:00 @ph5, thanks, I will try that Mar 16 11:59:27 That's the original code, I want to change it so when you rotate, it rotates the keys too Mar 16 11:59:47 that would be nice. :) Mar 16 11:59:52 which file did you modify? Mar 16 12:00:07 rotate-sb-plugin.c? Mar 16 12:00:12 Yes Mar 16 12:00:25 I copied the xmodmap code out of Benson's shell script Mar 16 12:00:40 shell script != C code :) Mar 16 12:00:50 Jaffa: "try" indeed, bugzilla's not inclined to write in its db this weekend apparently :) Mar 16 12:01:03 I copied the command line :P Mar 16 12:01:58 qwerty12, what pH5 wrote should work just fine. Mar 16 12:02:03 @ph5, many thanks, that line compiles Mar 16 12:02:09 yep, it works :) Mar 16 12:09:40 Thanks. gtg, bye Mar 16 12:16:09 sp3000: must be its time of the month. Mar 16 12:16:33 Hmm, server probs do seem to occur monthly. Perhaps its sun-spots Mar 16 12:23:18 wom-: I've done Mar 16 12:23:42 Sorry I was reading backlog and thought it was current post Mar 16 12:23:45 nevermind Mar 16 12:25:12 konttori: what shiny things are you working on at Nokia, btw? Mar 16 12:25:34 Some I can say in public, some I cannot. Mar 16 12:25:47 I'm working pretty closely with meta-tracker project at the moment Mar 16 12:25:58 meta-tracker? Mar 16 12:26:01 http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/ Mar 16 12:26:33 (e.g. as mentioned by jamie (the creator of tracker): http://jamiemcc.livejournal.com/ ) Mar 16 12:27:02 ah, cool Mar 16 12:27:05 thank god Mar 16 12:27:37 does that mean soon we'll have an indexer that won't flip out when it sees a symlink? Mar 16 12:27:42 if you are interested, mailing lists discuss out current public targets with meta-tracker Mar 16 12:27:51 yeah, well, tracker doesn't flip even now Mar 16 12:28:12 konttori: with a focus on ITOS to replace meta-layer-crawler (as johnx says) Mar 16 12:28:17 ? Mar 16 12:28:21 can't comment Mar 16 12:29:02 ah, ok so Nokia is paying you to work on tracker but they won't officially comment whether they plan to use it in ITOS or not. Say no more, say no more. :) Mar 16 12:29:11 :) Mar 16 12:29:17 but what I can say is that we have been running tracker on the n810 quite a lot and it's very very fast and only sips memory. Mar 16 12:29:37 that's encouraging news Mar 16 12:29:52 konttori: you mean that python one? I solved that, but thanks anyway :) Mar 16 12:29:55 Typical of the lack of comms on ITOS' roadmap (or even maemo's as tracker's open) Mar 16 12:30:01 yeah, well, I'm only managing the project, not coding (regrettably ... I'd really like to get hands dirty with it) Mar 16 12:30:06 but cool anyway Mar 16 12:30:09 Hey guys Mar 16 12:30:18 wom-: yeah. good to know you were able to get it solved Mar 16 12:30:27 I saw a few comments in here about it wondered if someone was able to help me Mar 16 12:30:33 I know it's not strictly maemo Mar 16 12:30:40 the NGW100 Mar 16 12:30:45 anyone know what I'm talking about Mar 16 12:31:02 never heard of it Mar 16 12:31:03 what makes tracker so very special is that it handles other content besides metadata and also contains a lightning fast search to all content. Mar 16 12:31:08 something based around an avr32? Mar 16 12:31:16 johnx: yes Mar 16 12:31:19 * johnx raids google Mar 16 12:31:23 what are you trying to do? Mar 16 12:31:35 well.....there is a nice free toolchain etc Mar 16 12:31:44 * konttori goes to have lunch Mar 16 12:31:49 but I'm at a bit of a loss as so how to....well.....use it.... Mar 16 12:32:05 I was hoping to attempt to port apache to it.....but I'm not sure it's possible Mar 16 12:32:18 wanted to make a nagios box to monitor network devices Mar 16 12:32:22 but in a tiny tiny package Mar 16 12:34:41 cbx33, so does this already run linux? or is part of the project getting linux booting on it, too? Mar 16 12:35:41 32MB of RAM...you probably don't want appache Mar 16 12:35:57 anyways, I don't know much (anything?) about the avr32 stuff, but you might want to poke at openembedded.net Mar 16 12:36:59 anyone tried gngeo? Mar 16 12:38:29 can't get it fullscreen Mar 16 12:40:52 Hey, is it just me or is there something wrong with the downloads ? Mar 16 12:42:06 Like in, impossible to install anything on my n810 ? Mar 16 12:43:13 You may have corrupt internal mmc, check itt Mar 16 12:44:44 wuuut ? Mar 16 12:49:10 itt = internettablettalk lol . Try copying a file onto your internal mmc with the file manager and look at what it says (if anything) Mar 16 12:52:21 I just copied an mp3 on it Mar 16 12:52:25 worked fine Mar 16 12:54:13 That's odd then. When you install a app and the error appears , what does details say? Mar 16 12:56:00 Anyone use gngeo? Mar 16 12:58:56 x-demon, yes Mar 16 12:58:58 alot Mar 16 12:59:04 oh Mar 16 12:59:12 recently more than alot...get a wiimote Mar 16 12:59:15 i install xmeame, gngeo Mar 16 12:59:19 hey Mar 16 12:59:40 install xgngeo as a frontend...and support my hardword Mar 16 12:59:52 WHERE it? Mar 16 12:59:54 deb Mar 16 13:00:00 the garage Mar 16 13:00:11 and it makes your life very easy. Mar 16 13:00:50 16-2? Mar 16 13:01:02 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xgngeo/ Mar 16 13:01:04 yes Mar 16 13:01:19 will try now Mar 16 13:01:25 xmaeme sucks... Mar 16 13:01:30 any questions you had about xmaeme will be dismissed Mar 16 13:01:49 it's most powerful for gngeo, yes? Mar 16 13:02:28 ok, installing it Mar 16 13:02:36 unique311: what about SNES? Mar 16 13:03:15 its a frontend. similar to xmaeme Mar 16 13:03:44 but you get to pick the path where your bios is located, Mar 16 13:03:45 not starting =( Mar 16 13:03:52 i use SO2008 Mar 16 13:04:08 i'm on os2008 also Mar 16 13:04:19 hmm. maybe dependencies? Mar 16 13:04:28 python Mar 16 13:04:36 oh Mar 16 13:04:42 your device new? Mar 16 13:04:47 no Mar 16 13:04:49 so Mar 16 13:04:52 2 weeks Mar 16 13:04:57 do you have python installed? Mar 16 13:04:58 but no python Mar 16 13:05:02 ok Mar 16 13:05:05 tis why Mar 16 13:05:15 apt-get install python? Mar 16 13:05:27 do it from the app manager Mar 16 13:05:39 what packet? Mar 16 13:05:52 setting>application manager Mar 16 13:05:58 packet? Mar 16 13:06:15 go to application manager Mar 16 13:06:18 i mean that in apt frontend too many python packets =) Mar 16 13:06:43 i didn't get that one, sorry. Mar 16 13:06:48 come again Mar 16 13:07:33 python2.5-edjie-demo python2.5-feedparser python2.5-pyinotofy Mar 16 13:07:38 which of them? Mar 16 13:07:57 python2.4-runtime i think Mar 16 13:08:03 python2.5-runtime i think Mar 16 13:08:09 not here 0_o Mar 16 13:08:13 strange Mar 16 13:08:14 i doesnt see that Mar 16 13:08:17 maybe its installed Mar 16 13:08:24 oh Mar 16 13:08:25 apt-cache search python Mar 16 13:08:30 i install xmaeme Mar 16 13:08:38 it req python Mar 16 13:08:47 alot of apps do Mar 16 13:09:51 python2.5-runtime Mar 16 13:09:55 should be there Mar 16 13:10:05 apt-get install python2.5-runtime Mar 16 13:10:44 17 megs... Mar 16 13:11:05 can i transfer whole system to 32 gigs card? Mar 16 13:11:24 you can boot off mmc Mar 16 13:11:31 i have sd Mar 16 13:11:34 cool Mar 16 13:11:39 so go to ITT Mar 16 13:11:44 yeah Mar 16 13:11:46 thx Mar 16 13:11:47 and do a search for booting of mmc Mar 16 13:12:15 ok Mar 16 13:12:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Mar 16 13:13:01 read it lots of times before taking the plunge Mar 16 13:13:26 How much did you pay for the 32GB SD Mar 16 13:13:33 did that even come out yet Mar 16 13:13:39 can't memorise Mar 16 13:13:43 it's not my Mar 16 13:13:49 but i am going to UAE Mar 16 13:14:04 i think it about 80$ in uae Mar 16 13:15:26 you can get stuff from dubhai really cheap Mar 16 13:15:29 i forgot Mar 16 13:15:46 where in the emrates are you going? Mar 16 13:17:50 unique311: hm? Mar 16 13:17:55 dubai Mar 16 13:18:11 sandbox Mar 16 13:18:31 your gngeo frontend doesnt work Mar 16 13:18:32 tis the nickname use naval folks giveth it. Mar 16 13:18:47 it does over here, i really don't know what to tell you Mar 16 13:18:59 did you install python Mar 16 13:19:10 its really laggy when browsing for roms Mar 16 13:19:26 now thats really strange Mar 16 13:19:53 This ROM is unloadable because Gngeo could not find any suitable driver to handle it Mar 16 13:20:06 ok Mar 16 13:20:12 thats a problem with the rom Mar 16 13:20:14 metal slug 1 Mar 16 13:20:21 let me explain Mar 16 13:20:28 xgngeo is a frontend. Mar 16 13:20:37 i understand it Mar 16 13:20:41 gngeo is the program Mar 16 13:20:48 but i run this rom from xmaeme Mar 16 13:20:55 only certain roms work Mar 16 13:21:13 did you set up xgngeo Mar 16 13:21:15 ? Mar 16 13:21:19 yes Mar 16 13:21:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI Mar 16 13:21:44 watch the video Mar 16 13:21:56 and then call me in the morning Mar 16 13:22:19 huh? metal slug not working??? Mar 16 13:30:42 woo! Mar 16 13:30:42 *** FORMULA ONE *** Mar 16 13:32:31 game? Mar 16 14:02:41 good afternoon everyone :) Mar 16 14:04:16 just in case some of you are interested in: i developed nearly a dozen of n800/n810 wallpapers...... can get them here: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog Mar 16 14:08:58 crashanddie: not got my n810 on at the mo, but it is possible Mar 16 14:09:33 cbx33, I dunno, I think I have a network problem or something Mar 16 14:11:06 hi Mar 16 14:11:30 /script unload mumbles Mar 16 14:13:04 Ar-ras: hi :) Mar 16 14:13:56 must i patch something to use external USB Device with N800? Mar 16 14:14:30 Yay, my ITT post count is now down to zero and I'm all n00bish - albeit with a shiny new account with a nick I actually want & use. Mar 16 14:20:39 ? Mar 16 14:24:54 cyberholic: thanks for the idea. Made my wallpapers out of http://xtalk.msk.su/photo/Japan05/21.jpeg Mar 16 14:25:52 T0b0tras: beautiful! But what idea did you have? Mar 16 14:26:20 Ar-ras: there is a nice tutorial somewhere as last news on maemo.org Mar 16 14:26:27 cyberholic: to change boring default wallpaper :-) Mar 16 14:27:02 *smile* ... i will add more in the next days. at the moment i am working on an alarm clock as Mojo Mar 16 14:28:21 i took a usb mini a and a female USB connector and made a cable from that, is that ok? Mar 16 14:28:45 ar-ras: as fas as i know yes, but you need otg Mar 16 14:28:48 i think... Mar 16 14:28:54 OTG?` Mar 16 14:28:59 is that a chip? Mar 16 14:29:04 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin/ Mar 16 14:29:28 n1 Mar 16 14:29:32 ;) Mar 16 14:29:51 But this is only guessed as i have no female2female cable around here.... WAIT!!!!!! Mar 16 14:29:57 You can also use konttori's usbcontrol Mar 16 14:30:02 Here you go... this is what i found yesterday: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/maemo/2008/01/21/usb-on-the-go?ticket=ST-85752-iEedv1B2XUapCzVkEfoVZrz7DP32ZVpLyzl-20 Mar 16 14:30:54 How does the .service file interact with the osso_initialize function? Mar 16 14:31:02 It seems the value of "Name" in the .service file needs to match somehow. Mar 16 14:31:45 The libosso api says the application argument in osso_initialize must not contain any dots (only a-z plus underscore). That means only the suffix (i.e. myapp) Mar 16 14:31:58 The strange thing is that this if I use the "com.nokia.myapp" it works as expected but not with an self defined string (i.e. "domain.my.myapp"). Mar 16 14:35:28 what is that??? USB Ethernet Mode Mar 16 14:36:20 Makes the device appear as a networked machine to your comp Mar 16 14:36:29 ah Mar 16 14:36:54 I set up my debian for usb network and i can now telnet and ssh into my n800 Mar 16 14:37:29 I hear you can also share your internet over usb to the tablet Mar 16 14:38:56 doesnt work :( Mar 16 14:44:49 what's the maximum cpu frequency for n810? Mar 16 14:46:01 400 Mar 16 14:46:08 mhz Mar 16 14:48:16 is that a hardware limit? Mar 16 14:52:09 any ideas regarding the .service and osso_initialize problem? why does it only work if i either violate the api (by using "." in the application string) or having com.nokia in the .service file? Mar 16 14:55:14 leo2007 yes afaik Mar 16 15:26:36 Hey everyone, i have just finished to develop an alarm clock as Mojo for mojocafe.de .... now i am at the point where i ask my self what i shall use as "alarm" sound.... what would you like to be waken up in the morning? Mar 16 15:27:13 Yahooooooooooooo ooohooooo Mar 16 15:27:29 loooooool... really?... well i think i can not use that as i will get in trouble with yahoo :) Mar 16 15:28:37 cyberholic: I used to find the door chime from ST:TNG really effective as an alarm sound Mar 16 15:29:32 jaffa:mmmmmmhh but that will only sound nice played once..... or do you want a female voice saying something like "Attention Attention - this is an alarm!" lol Mar 16 15:29:45 cyberholic: it sounds once, and then once a minute Mar 16 15:30:14 mmmmmmhhhhh. thats a good idea...... do you got an open source free sound that i can use somewhere? Mar 16 15:31:12 at thefreesoundproject there are no star track sounds :( Mar 16 15:33:04 what about a "rain sound" so that you will get up totally stressed .lol. Mar 16 15:39:24 HELO GUYS Mar 16 15:39:33 Authorization Required Mar 16 15:39:33 This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Mar 16 15:39:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mar 16 15:39:33 Apache/1.3.33 Server at stage.maemo.org Port 80 Mar 16 15:39:37 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta4-maemo1_all.deb Mar 16 15:39:46 i can't download yet why? Mar 16 15:40:05 Italodance: cos it's still broken? Mar 16 15:40:43 don't know is it working there? Mar 16 15:40:59 i tried ie and firefox and my n800 opera Mar 16 15:41:03 but no! :( Mar 16 15:41:24 tell me can u download there? what is this message? for what? Mar 16 15:41:39 cyberholic: something like [COLOR=DimGray][B]Andrew Flegg[/B] -- mailto:andrew@bleb.org | [url=http://www.bleb.org/][COLOR=DimGray][u]http://www.bleb.org[/u][/COLOR][/url][/COLOR] Mar 16 15:41:48 Or, rather: [COLOR=DimGray][B]Andrew Flegg[/B] -- mailto:andrew@bleb.org | [url=http://www.bleb.org/][COLOR=DimGray][u]http://www.bleb.org[/u][/COLOR][/url][/COLOR] Mar 16 15:41:49 Bah Mar 16 15:41:53 Mispasting sucks Mar 16 15:41:58 http://www.trekmania.net/wavs/doorchime.wav Mar 16 15:42:01 :) Mar 16 15:42:03 Finally. *phew* Mar 16 15:42:24 Jaffa can u download from http://repository.maemo.org/extras now? Mar 16 15:42:24 I think that is copyrighted :( Mar 16 15:43:08 Italodance: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 could be instructive Mar 16 15:43:10 Italodance: it's not that straight-forward cos it's load-balanced Mar 16 15:43:24 Would it be nice to wake up by ocean waves or could that put somebody into a trauma by thinking that the room is under water? Mar 16 15:43:39 if not too helpful Mar 16 15:43:41 cyberholic: very possibly (although being so short it should fall under fair use). Mar 16 15:44:05 cyberholic: One of the default ITOS sounds is waves, I don't like 'em (it could be that the recording's way too loud and compressed tho') Mar 16 15:44:22 right.... Mar 16 15:44:42 sp3000: that's ridiculous! Mar 16 15:46:06 US legislation ridiculous? unpossible! Mar 16 15:46:27 thank u guys Mar 16 15:46:44 and then there's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2643#c2 Mar 16 15:58:37 sp3000: US legislation says you can't provide a download service to countries formally part of Yugoslavia? Mar 16 16:01:15 dunno, I was just taking it out on a random string in a random comment Mar 16 16:02:14 Ok, i just finished the first alarm clock as mojo.... for those that are not registere at mojocafe.de can view a preview at: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog/ Mar 16 16:02:26 sp3000: true :-) Mar 16 16:04:45 cyberholic: can the weather forecast mojo display celcius? Mar 16 16:05:45 yeah... it changes all 5 seconds between F and C Mar 16 16:09:38 that's ...educational? Mar 16 16:15:08 ayawn Mar 16 16:17:06 good morning *yawn* though beeing up for over 12 hours now :) Mar 16 16:17:17 :) Mar 16 16:17:24 afternoon here ;) Mar 16 16:17:37 here too Mar 16 16:17:50 Lol, my bad, I'm missing something :P Mar 16 16:17:58 but for a good yawn there's always right time Mar 16 16:18:28 yawn? oh wait, I thought you meant something else... :P Mar 16 16:24:50 is there no qemu maemo sdk? only vmware? Mar 16 16:24:59 i dont want to install vmwareplayer Mar 16 16:25:04 Check the bottom of the page Mar 16 16:25:07 then don't Mar 16 16:25:13 and install nokia's sdk Mar 16 16:25:29 vmware is for lazy anyway Mar 16 16:25:40 (i mean most lazy) Mar 16 16:26:02 vmware sux. I had the image and so annoying, I installed Ubuntu and the scratchbox and then mounted the vmware image and took all the good stuff out of it Mar 16 16:26:33 why didn't you run sdk install script? Mar 16 16:26:58 I did first, I had the proper scratchbox set up but the vmware image contains a lot of a good stuff Mar 16 16:27:00 Is there any commercial dictionary that can be run in n810? Mar 16 16:27:11 Look into SDictViewer Mar 16 16:27:26 such as m-w or oxford/cambridge Mar 16 16:27:29 The program isnt commercial but you can get commerical dictionaries (like Oxford etc) Mar 16 16:28:55 I heard SDictViewer is slow Mar 16 16:29:06 i can give you my kcxlator Mar 16 16:29:18 but it works in xterm (ncurses based) Mar 16 16:29:44 erm, it's not mine, my part is porting it to ncurses :) Mar 16 16:30:21 what is it :P? Mar 16 16:30:31 there are some thesaurus' and eng<-->(spa|ger|pol) dbs for it available Mar 16 16:30:51 Nice :) Mar 16 16:31:46 you can try it at: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/kcxlator/ Mar 16 16:31:58 (yes, i did php ui for it too :) Mar 16 16:32:17 Looks good :) /me does thumbs up Mar 16 16:34:03 it was primarly made for mobile phones Mar 16 16:34:19 symbian/java etc. Mar 16 16:34:29 but i missed it on my laptop :) Mar 16 16:34:41 On my W810, you can get a lot of *cough* hackzored dictionaries... :P Mar 16 16:34:48 it's free Mar 16 16:34:57 True :D Mar 16 16:34:59 ie. dbs are pd afait Mar 16 16:35:21 qwerty: look for xlator Mar 16 16:35:37 Ahh, I see Mar 16 16:35:45 kcxlator is my ncurses/php hack Mar 16 16:35:47 :) Mar 16 16:35:57 Cool :) Mar 16 16:36:21 Hey people... do you know of any other umpcs or mobile devices having 800x480 screen resolution? ... apart asus eee Mar 16 16:36:42 cyberholic: sony has one i think Mar 16 16:36:47 don't remember the name Mar 16 16:36:51 starting with m i think Mar 16 16:36:53 mylo? Mar 16 16:36:55 I think U series Mar 16 16:36:57 yup Mar 16 16:36:58 UX etc Mar 16 16:36:59 mylo Mar 16 16:38:12 personally i have the sdk installed in virtualbox. no problems Mar 16 16:38:25 except that i can't think of what to make Mar 16 16:38:26 * KotCzarny have sdk installed in slackware Mar 16 16:38:28 ;) Mar 16 16:38:33 *has Mar 16 16:38:35 * qwerty12 has it in Ubuntu :P Mar 16 16:38:57 mangof: x games ;) Mar 16 16:39:08 +xx? Mar 16 16:39:09 qwerty12: Error: "xx?" is not a valid command. Mar 16 16:39:15 ++xx? Mar 16 16:39:15 qwerty12: Error: "+xx?" is not a valid command. Mar 16 16:39:23 +go fsck yourself Mar 16 16:39:25 KotCzarny: Error: "go" is not a valid command. Mar 16 16:39:25 i think everyone else has ported all of the good games :P Mar 16 16:39:33 lol Mar 16 16:39:49 whos bot it is? Mar 16 16:39:55 not mine Mar 16 16:40:01 Plain xchat install Mar 16 16:41:57 Is developing always annoying? Mar 16 16:42:17 what you say Mar 16 16:42:22 only at 'hunt the bugs' stage Mar 16 16:42:43 a you mean challenging right... Mar 16 16:42:53 A bit, more frustrating :D Mar 16 16:44:00 programming is for the elite Mar 16 16:44:09 I've spent ages adding support to jott's sb-rotate-plugin to change the keyboard map when rotating and I managed to to that but I wanted to add support to not change the keyboard map as well like the original, I've done that and now I've got to try and sort out the errors with 0.1% knowledge of programming Mar 16 16:44:11 :P Mar 16 16:44:22 *do Mar 16 16:44:23 :) Mar 16 16:44:33 :) Mar 16 16:44:54 0.1% knowledge of programming may be the key to frustration Mar 16 16:44:56 ;) Mar 16 16:45:07 but you will learn Mar 16 16:45:08 eventually Mar 16 16:45:34 Lol, true but I'm applying a bit of general knowledge to the code I've seen like copy & paste... :\ Mar 16 16:45:36 or become insane Mar 16 16:45:42 Muhahaha Mar 16 16:46:05 it always remains challenging, because the problem you challenge also become bigger Mar 16 16:55:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17712 Mar 16 16:55:37 I saw that Mar 16 16:55:42 a good build of mtpaint by bundyo Mar 16 16:55:47 fullscreen Mar 16 16:56:04 wow Mar 16 16:56:10 Cool, I tried out the earlier port and its a bit odd to use IMHO Mar 16 16:56:19 does pres. sens. finnaly work? Mar 16 16:56:31 he just updated it.. Mar 16 16:56:40 that's why i'm asking :) Mar 16 16:56:56 "Built mtPaint 3.20 for OS2008 and appears to work fine even with pressure sensitivity and alpha blended brushes" Mar 16 16:57:10 You can adjust that in the preferences afaik Mar 16 16:57:11 yes, i see what's written there Mar 16 16:57:22 i'm just asking if someone tried it Mar 16 16:57:23 :) Mar 16 16:57:29 Oh, sorry :) Mar 16 16:57:30 checking for this right now kot Mar 16 16:58:39 btw. what's that 'stop sign' status plugin? Mar 16 16:59:00 Its the presence applet afaik Mar 16 16:59:07 ah. Mar 16 16:59:19 author should redo the icons then Mar 16 16:59:19 :> Mar 16 17:00:00 stop beign white circle with a stripe and green being white circle with checkmark inside Mar 16 17:00:08 i don't think it works Mar 16 17:00:18 not getting anywhere with the preference Mar 16 17:00:20 using colors in status bar doesn't look right Mar 16 17:00:37 I had to keep going back to enable the tablet Mar 16 17:00:43 Odd but I finally got it to work Mar 16 17:01:13 i'm getting different outcomes with different settings.. Mar 16 17:01:19 but no pressure sens Mar 16 17:05:04 mtpaint? never heard of it Mar 16 17:32:10 is there a way to map the up/down pad to make microb scroll instead of jumping links? Mar 16 17:32:18 Yes. Mar 16 17:32:37 Check the Internet Tablet Talk wiki Mar 16 17:39:05 Does anyone knows how to force a fullscreen in html that works on my n800 ? Mar 16 17:40:10 force in html? Mar 16 17:40:34 forcing sux. Mar 16 17:40:35 your at the murcy of matchbox the windows manager Mar 16 17:40:58 i would guess it is not possible, but then again stranger things have been possible Mar 16 17:41:11 maybe some javascript Mar 16 17:41:55 did opera use tabs? Mar 16 17:42:04 opera is out Mar 16 17:42:08 microb is in Mar 16 17:42:10 :) Mar 16 17:42:16 just curious Mar 16 17:42:25 well there are some javscripts to force, the question is.... will they work on the device *hehe* ... i will tell you in a minute Mar 16 17:42:30 it's a memory hog tho Mar 16 17:42:43 as big as the desktop version Mar 16 17:43:02 by the way: anyone of you would like to see a special RSS feed as mojo, like the ones i added yesterday? Mar 16 17:44:55 any gtk wizz around Mar 16 17:49:47 nah... jessus.... fullscreen javascripts seem to be squished by os2008 :( .... not one works :( Mar 16 17:50:30 then browse microb javascript functions Mar 16 17:50:49 ya matchbox desides where to put the windows and i dont think its too smart Mar 16 17:50:57 'decides' Mar 16 17:51:31 welll HAL would decide the correct thing.... "...as long it is full of stars!" Mar 16 17:51:32 tx Mar 16 18:06:22 Could someone do me a favour please? In scratchbox, run sb-menu, go to Show and choose Chinook_ARMEL and tell me what the CPU-transparency: line says by default please. Mar 16 18:07:23 qwerty12: CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 Mar 16 18:07:31 Ok, thanks :( Mar 16 18:41:32 what's the root pasd? Mar 16 18:41:37 blank Mar 16 18:41:42 oh Mar 16 18:41:51 unless you have set it already Mar 16 18:42:16 doh Mar 16 18:42:22 it's blank Mar 16 18:43:38 hey sometimes when i download apps they get stuck downloading Mar 16 18:43:48 with the app manager open Mar 16 18:43:53 there was apt-get command to purge them Mar 16 18:43:57 or clean Mar 16 18:44:00 i don't remember Mar 16 18:46:50 Does it seem strange to anyone else that there haven't been any bug updates in Bugzilla since Thursday night...? Mar 16 18:47:07 sorry, Thursday morning - 11:29 is the last modification Mar 16 18:47:23 bugzilla went invallid-db-pass few days ago Mar 16 18:47:29 and probably no one fixed it yet Mar 16 18:47:30 :) Mar 16 18:47:34 aha... i'm logged in, but only viewing bugs Mar 16 18:47:55 yeah, probably another month for a fix if they're true to form Mar 16 18:48:11 you can try posting a bug about it :P Mar 16 18:48:12 ;) Mar 16 18:48:22 hah, did think about it... :) Mar 16 18:48:24 good evening all :) Mar 16 18:48:32 evening Mar 16 18:49:03 can anybody answer me a small question bout Maemo?) Mar 16 18:49:11 probably Mar 16 18:49:39 milhouse: you got an RSS feed for all bugs? Mar 16 18:49:57 Have anybody worked with Maemo new double sided menu? (Applications) Mar 16 18:50:12 Define "worked"? Mar 16 18:50:17 is it possible to make on the left not tab selector but a button itself? Mar 16 18:50:32 'double sided' ? Mar 16 18:50:34 double menu? Mar 16 18:50:51 Aaaah) Mar 16 18:50:52 wazd: if one get a sources for it.. Mar 16 18:51:07 Applications menu Mar 16 18:51:15 wazd: answer is 'not yet' probably Mar 16 18:51:29 but you're free to try and hack it Mar 16 18:51:29 :) Mar 16 18:51:30 "My selection, Communication, Extra" and so on Mar 16 18:52:25 I'm not a developer, I'm righting the request list to the developer :) Mar 16 18:52:46 if you want less clicks just put all your favourite apps in the first category Mar 16 18:52:48 :) Mar 16 18:53:01 nono :) Mar 16 18:53:02 wazd: tried reorganising it through Control Panel? Mar 16 18:53:09 * lcuk has bookreader and remote control in there Mar 16 18:53:11 aw Mar 16 18:53:19 Didn't think of that)) Mar 16 18:53:23 wazd: All see "Personal Menu" (search on ITT) for a new task navigator plugin which will give you what you want Mar 16 18:53:23 lol Mar 16 18:53:24 One moment)) Mar 16 18:53:35 Nooo) Mar 16 18:53:39 there's launcher Mar 16 18:54:01 I'm actually working with Personal menu developer :) Mar 16 18:55:16 We're trying to reorganize "Web" menu to the template that I've described here: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/tablet-heart-web-browser-part-i/ Mar 16 18:58:50 nope it's just possible to create a category on the left Mar 16 18:59:03 Well, lets try to hack it :) Mar 16 18:59:03 but it's not worth it Mar 16 18:59:16 i mean scrolling is 'expensive' Mar 16 18:59:50 Where?) Mar 16 18:59:59 you have to click and wait untill it scrolls Mar 16 19:00:18 it may seem like a second, but from usability point of view it's expensive Mar 16 19:00:21 Click what?) Mar 16 19:00:26 Scroll what?) Mar 16 19:00:28 scrolling icon Mar 16 19:00:29 :) Mar 16 19:00:56 i have 5 categories having only 6 icons each and 6th has all the 'unused' icons Mar 16 19:01:40 Are you talking about Web Menu?) Mar 16 19:01:50 about app menu in general Mar 16 19:03:06 it would be nice to have configurable heigh of menu items Mar 16 19:03:10 height Mar 16 19:03:37 Yes, best parts of Personal Menu will migrate to the Web menu :) Mar 16 19:04:49 Well, talking about App Menu itself, I think that 34(35) quicklaunch shortcuts is more than enough for rapid using :) Mar 16 19:05:15 you can access 34 apps without scrolling with 2 clicks Mar 16 19:05:23 :) Mar 16 19:05:25 yup Mar 16 19:06:01 So it's not as bad :) Mar 16 19:06:03 but still, having a way to further customize it would be nice Mar 16 19:06:04 :) Mar 16 19:06:26 Yep, and that's why we got personal Menu :) Mar 16 19:07:03 And what do you think bout Web Menu concept? Mar 16 19:07:19 Any complains?) Mar 16 19:07:40 i haven't used microb too much (yet) Mar 16 19:07:53 so my web menu is untouched Mar 16 19:07:53 :) Mar 16 19:10:26 pitty) Mar 16 19:10:32 'pity' Mar 16 19:10:38 pitty is squirrelish Mar 16 19:10:39 :) Mar 16 19:10:58 aaah, who cares))) Mar 16 19:11:04 * KotCzarny <=-- Mar 16 19:11:07 :) Mar 16 19:11:58 * wazd pretending that he uses N800 glitchy KB :) Mar 16 19:12:24 glitchy kb has backspace too Mar 16 19:12:25 :) Mar 16 19:12:33 http://simple-launcher.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 16 19:12:44 all keyboards have an inbuilt evil bit. Mar 16 19:12:49 n800m: no new news Mar 16 19:13:05 glitchy kb has glitchy bckspace :) Mar 16 19:13:07 and it still doesn't have transparent bg on n8x0 Mar 16 19:13:07 it is normally activated if trying to fix other peoples spelling ;) Mar 16 19:13:16 yeah just curious if tthisd be different Mar 16 19:13:33 i want to code on a maemo project, but dont know, how to do that. i saw a vmware sdk image. but i dont want this closed app. what can i install on linux to code and compile for maemo? Mar 16 19:14:18 eichi: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/ Mar 16 19:14:22 and click on sdk releases Mar 16 19:14:31 then just get 2 scripts and run them Mar 16 19:14:39 and you will have working sdk Mar 16 19:14:43 the vmware image is a great way to get started - it is just a linux image with scratchbox installed and runnable. you can do it all yourself without linux but involves installing and configuring scratchbox compilation Mar 16 19:14:47 What problem do you have with this evil closed source VMWare?) Mar 16 19:15:09 without vmware * Mar 16 19:15:18 yeah, knowing that all important parts of maemo/nokia are closed too :) Mar 16 19:15:23 VMPlayer is free Mar 16 19:15:30 but its not free Mar 16 19:15:32 shocker Mar 16 19:15:52 * KotCzarny applies free shocker to lcuk Mar 16 19:16:05 thx - my hair needed spiking Mar 16 19:16:20 that hair? Mar 16 19:16:21 ;) Mar 16 19:16:22 Why they have Media Player closed - dunno :) Mar 16 19:16:26 *those Mar 16 19:16:27 :) Mar 16 19:16:38 wazd: they have closed weirdest parts Mar 16 19:16:43 no need - i wear a murkin Mar 16 19:16:44 fe. status bar :) Mar 16 19:16:55 yep Mar 16 19:17:23 wireless drivers as well arent they Mar 16 19:17:35 Wi-Fi I guess Mar 16 19:17:42 BT is accessible Mar 16 19:18:03 cause there are 3rd party A2DP drivers Mar 16 19:18:57 KotCzarny, can i run this as user and without any strange thinks, demaging my system? Mar 16 19:19:18 eichi: i believe yes, as long you set proper mount points Mar 16 19:19:19 :) Mar 16 19:19:33 it installs to one dir Mar 16 19:19:38 doesn't touch anything else Mar 16 19:19:41 if however you are afraid of damaging your system surely vmware would be a better angle ;) Mar 16 19:20:11 man i really wanna try jott's rotation thing but im afraid i'll break it. Mar 16 19:20:13 the only thing is that they doesn't allow to use it as root Mar 16 19:20:14 :) Mar 16 19:20:21 n800m: do it. Mar 16 19:20:24 it simply works Mar 16 19:20:24 :) Mar 16 19:20:33 i read the install script at the moment...but its a long one Mar 16 19:22:15 modified kernel sounds creepy to me Mar 16 19:22:41 n800m: then apply patch yourself Mar 16 19:22:48 and compile it on your own Mar 16 19:22:49 :) Mar 16 19:22:50 i did Mar 16 19:22:58 by hand? Mar 16 19:23:01 i'm newbish Mar 16 19:23:04 using a sliderule? Mar 16 19:23:21 n800m: then just use precompiled one Mar 16 19:23:31 remember that you can reflash whole thing anyway Mar 16 19:23:33 in seconds Mar 16 19:23:34 :) Mar 16 19:24:05 you can even (if i remember rightly)( flash the kernel just into memory and test - then when you reboot it loads the original one Mar 16 19:24:19 but how do i get the kernel, where do i put to be able to use it Mar 16 19:24:37 is there a way to flash kernel under Win?) Mar 16 19:24:46 i can't just open it and i duuno where it goes Mar 16 19:24:53 the patch imean Mar 16 19:24:53 wazd: you can flash directly in n8x0 Mar 16 19:25:03 it takes few seconds Mar 16 19:25:04 :) Mar 16 19:25:16 Damn) Mar 16 19:25:32 no external pc needed Mar 16 19:25:32 :) Mar 16 19:25:50 just a vmware image ;) Mar 16 19:25:54 didn't know bout that :) Mar 16 19:26:19 wazd: yeah, it only needs padding and mtdtools Mar 16 19:26:21 :) Mar 16 19:26:29 google for fanoush scripts :) Mar 16 19:26:47 then it's as simple as ./kernel-flash zImage-name Mar 16 19:26:48 :) Mar 16 19:27:04 Describing ideas is sooo difficult :) Mar 16 19:27:49 So many details to mention. For good UX Mar 16 19:35:12 fanoush's patcges are just code Mar 16 19:53:48 i can't do it, i'm missing something Mar 16 19:53:58 do what? Mar 16 19:54:12 flashing Mar 16 19:54:26 how do you try to do it? Mar 16 19:54:37 flasher not found it says Mar 16 19:54:49 what says Mar 16 19:54:54 xterm Mar 16 19:55:00 one sec Mar 16 19:55:02 try ./ before command Mar 16 19:55:12 and run it from jffs2/ext partition Mar 16 19:55:13 not vfat Mar 16 19:55:14 http://sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 16 19:55:32 k Mar 16 19:56:49 ./ worked i think Mar 16 19:57:45 no it didnt Mar 16 19:57:54 pastebin.com Mar 16 19:59:00 i just updated the kernel on sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 16 19:59:11 jott: what are the changes? Mar 16 19:59:14 no xv should work again Mar 16 20:00:06 is patch updated too? Mar 16 20:00:15 ah no.. Mar 16 20:00:16 sec Mar 16 20:00:19 :) Mar 16 20:01:32 k Mar 16 20:01:42 thx Mar 16 20:01:44 actually it's just reverts a change i made Mar 16 20:02:39 btw. you can use l |= 0x03 operator Mar 16 20:02:44 :( Mar 16 20:03:25 doesn't matter much but is a little cleaner Mar 16 20:03:26 :) Mar 16 20:03:27 jott: have you still got vala deps for maemo somewhere? Mar 16 20:04:30 jott: but it works with blanking? Mar 16 20:05:04 KotCzarny: ah yeah this is part of the original patch :) but you are right Mar 16 20:05:13 KotCzarny: should be yes.. Mar 16 20:05:24 Jaffa: i think so.. Mar 16 20:05:36 jott: you have not tested it? :) Mar 16 20:05:47 jott: URL I dug out of the logs 404ed Mar 16 20:06:18 is there a very dumbed down guide for rotation? Mar 16 20:06:22 KotCzarny: well i've had no problems with blanking :) Mar 16 20:06:33 n800: yes, it's on that page Mar 16 20:06:38 jott: ok :) Mar 16 20:06:41 dumber Mar 16 20:06:43 |> Day-O (The Banana Boat Song) - Harry Belafonte (Pure Gold) Mar 16 20:07:07 n800music: feel free to say what you do not understand - i can change it Mar 16 20:07:10 n800: how do you try to flash the kernel? Mar 16 20:07:29 jott: put a link to some kernel flashing howto Mar 16 20:07:29 :> Mar 16 20:07:48 it's all hidden in the links on the page :) Mar 16 20:07:57 hi jott, you are here too ;) Mar 16 20:08:04 BabelO: hehe yeah Mar 16 20:08:07 add a css to make links font-size: 200%; Mar 16 20:08:08 ;) Mar 16 20:08:44 kotczarny links to firums are horrible as guides Mar 16 20:08:56 especially reading on n800 Mar 16 20:09:08 n800: you have not answered my question Mar 16 20:09:09 forums i mean Mar 16 20:09:11 twice already Mar 16 20:09:25 how do you expect any help then? Mar 16 20:09:52 i really don't Mar 16 20:09:57 thanks tho Mar 16 20:10:15 lol Mar 16 20:11:45 Jaffa: http://sse2.net/vala/ Mar 16 20:14:39 Hi, can someone tell me if there's a telepathy connection manager available for maemo for IRC and/or MSN (I mean telepathy-butterfly)? Mar 16 20:22:45 there is telepathy-haze Mar 16 20:22:47 it has msn Mar 16 20:23:11 aVirulence: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 16 20:24:15 aVirulence: and service list has Irc when configuring accounts. haven't tried it though Mar 16 20:25:20 wom-, thanks a lot, that looks promising! Mar 16 20:25:36 aVirulence: np :) Mar 16 20:31:25 that irc service seems to work Mar 16 20:31:53 i don't know how to join channel with it but at least privmsg comes to my N810 like any chat :) Mar 16 20:32:02 lol Mar 16 20:32:32 kinda cool :) Mar 16 20:42:23 anyone familiar with the jquery javascript library? Mar 16 20:51:05 ok, I'm giving it a shot Mar 16 20:52:48 hi, I'm running OS2006 (n770) and tried to install python2.5-runtime, upon 'import hildon' I get: ImportError: /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_atomic_int_compare_and_exchange Mar 16 20:52:55 has anyone seen this before? Mar 16 20:53:28 libs mismatch Mar 16 20:53:37 have you forced any libs recently? Mar 16 20:53:43 no Mar 16 20:53:45 added weird repos? Mar 16 20:54:00 I had some weird repos maybe Mar 16 20:54:15 but that's not where I got python2.5 from Mar 16 20:54:26 can't imagine that libgobject-2.0 is the wrong version Mar 16 20:54:27 it's a problem with gtk2 lib Mar 16 20:54:32 not with python i think Mar 16 20:54:41 gobject belongs to gtk2 Mar 16 20:54:44 (or glib2) Mar 16 20:54:54 I know Mar 16 20:55:26 hmm... I have libgobject-2.0.so.0.800.6 Mar 16 20:55:46 that's also what I have in scratchbox Mar 16 21:08:11 copying it from scratchbox seems to have worked Mar 16 21:08:35 do any of you guys also know wether maybe GtkCellRendererText won't render bold or italic text? Mar 16 21:09:50 is this something the theme just doesn't support, or the font? Mar 16 21:10:25 http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=32509 Mar 16 21:10:33 (off-topic) Mar 16 21:10:45 don't click if weak nerves :) Mar 16 21:18:20 hmm, none of the settings seems to work Mar 16 21:18:26 maybe I'm just doing something wrong Mar 16 21:19:22 ah yes Mar 16 21:26:01 fixed, seems you need set_property instead of setting the values on the attribute Mar 16 21:26:03 hi, does someone know if there is a tool to use n800 as a bluetooth speaker for a mobile phone ? Mar 16 21:26:05 if it is a2dp, that is better :) Mar 16 21:30:27 no idea ? no application ;) Mar 16 22:00:15 Hmm... Use n800 as loudtalk is very good idea I suppose :) Mar 16 22:00:26 loudtalk? Mar 16 22:00:40 wazd: yes ;) Mar 16 22:00:52 But i think it's the same profile as handsfree, so you need it :) Mar 16 22:01:29 wazd: some time ago i foiund small tools to emulate a computer as a a2dp headset, but can't find it again Mar 16 22:02:00 Maybe it's possible to port profile like it done with A2DP Mar 16 22:03:48 Aaaah, Wacom is so sweet but need so much time to adopt :) Mar 16 22:11:28 jott: ta muchly Mar 16 22:24:42 now that the distortion is gone, the n810 speakers are pretty incredible Mar 16 22:24:50 distortion? Mar 16 22:24:58 unit initially had bad distortion Mar 16 22:25:36 does n800 suffer?) Mar 16 22:25:46 pupnik: hardware or software? Mar 16 22:26:28 i originally thought it was a problem with software mixer but now i think it was that the speakers needed to be 'broken-in' Mar 16 22:26:34 lol Mar 16 22:27:09 after a couple hours of high volume they're crystal clear Mar 16 22:27:14 Small poll: Does anybody ever used his/her own homepage on tablets?) Mar 16 22:27:27 1 Mar 16 22:27:28 wazd: i have my own index.html Mar 16 22:27:51 thanks :) Mar 16 22:28:09 Then we're leaving homepage button :) Mar 16 22:28:41 pupnik: i have never noticed distortion Mar 16 22:28:50 do you have any recording, etc? Mar 16 22:29:16 yes i did some recordings but i don't have a good mic, so it was just the camera Mar 16 22:29:40 :) Mar 16 22:32:32 And what do you think about the idea of new Web Menu ( http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/tablet-heart-web-browser-part-i/ )? is it worth to develop? Mar 16 22:34:00 that looks exactly the same Mar 16 22:34:30 oh, wait, no, took a while to load completely Mar 16 22:34:40 can the renderer be made faster? :/ Mar 16 22:34:56 * pupnik watches joe vs the volcano on new mplayer .26 Mar 16 22:35:00 doc: yes, use links Mar 16 22:35:08 .26 is out? Mar 16 22:35:13 anything important fixed? Mar 16 22:35:14 :) Mar 16 22:35:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986&page=5 Mar 16 22:35:32 Lipsync fixed?) Mar 16 22:35:48 i think so Mar 16 22:35:58 only in sdl? :) Mar 16 22:36:15 tiny differences between sdl and esd Mar 16 22:36:32 sdl is default Mar 16 22:36:37 "I strongly suspect that we can't rely on audio delay reported by esd at all." Mar 16 22:36:38 ehhehe Mar 16 22:38:22 I think that lipsync bug appears only in odd numbered versions :) Mar 16 22:39:39 btw 2-pass encoding is he way to go Mar 16 22:52:39 playing with mplayer KotCzarny ? Mar 16 22:52:49 define 'playing' Mar 16 22:52:54 well testing Mar 16 22:53:00 not yet Mar 16 22:53:12 but on my laptop mplayer is playing some mp3s Mar 16 22:53:13 :) Mar 16 22:55:49 getting a bit of tearing on some 400x240 ones Mar 16 23:13:50 do you remember the 'low quality' playback command line option? Mar 16 23:14:11 nope, but i can check Mar 16 23:14:21 i'm searching but no finding yet Mar 16 23:15:08 -lavdopts lowres=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all Mar 16 23:15:29 ty added to script Mar 16 23:15:47 heh wow, that is low quality :) Mar 16 23:16:03 but on anything lower than 600x400 it looks ugly Mar 16 23:16:08 it's only for hi-res vids :) Mar 16 23:28:11 has anyone yet run into and overcome mbuiter_multi errors yet? Mar 16 23:30:53 KotCzarny: there seems to be a speedup without the lores also -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all:ec=0 Mar 16 23:31:17 yes Mar 16 23:31:25 a lot of untranscripted stuff at 512x384 is watchable, but dropping whenever there's a lot of motions Mar 16 23:31:34 but lores minimizes fb transfer Mar 16 23:32:01 and keep in mind that it was for my hires vids Mar 16 23:32:02 :) Mar 16 23:45:34 hello folks Mar 16 23:45:52 anybody who knows if one can change the web shop where discount code for n810 is valid? Mar 16 23:47:19 n810 had price cut recently Mar 16 23:47:23 ~100$ Mar 16 23:50:21 minus $100 or only $100? ;) Mar 16 23:50:34 minus 100$ Mar 16 23:50:34 :) Mar 16 23:50:37 KotCzarny, well, I have a code for 99Euro :) Mar 16 23:50:45 but it applies only in AU shop :( Mar 16 23:50:58 but still, get n800 Mar 16 23:51:04 it's superior to n810 Mar 16 23:51:19 and for the price difference you can have REAL gps and nice bt kb Mar 16 23:51:19 :) Mar 16 23:51:21 o com'on, I'm just looking how to switch validity of code, not buying n800 :) Mar 16 23:51:46 KotCzarny: you can have a n800 and a gps and a keyboard for 99eu ? Mar 16 23:51:55 shut up already :) Mar 16 23:52:26 pygi: is that code for n810 for a 99EUR or price-99EUR ? Mar 16 23:52:27 :) Mar 16 23:52:37 pygi: as far as I know, you can't Mar 16 23:52:37 KotCzarny, n810 for 99EUR Mar 16 23:52:41 wow Mar 16 23:52:52 ok. /me shuts up Mar 16 23:52:53 :) Mar 16 23:52:55 shackan, ah, oki ... gotta find an AU contact then ... Mar 16 23:52:55 nice .. i paid 400 Mar 16 23:52:58 (for a moment :) Mar 16 23:53:03 i'll take an 810 for 99EUR? who do i send the money to? Mar 16 23:53:25 pygi: aren't you in croatia or something like that? Mar 16 23:53:31 shackan, yes, so? :) Mar 16 23:53:35 MipsIrv, it's the developer program... Mar 16 23:53:45 pygi: then why did you get and australian code? :D Mar 16 23:53:48 hmm really? Mar 16 23:53:54 shackan, which one would I get? heh ... Mar 16 23:53:59 shackan, no croatian code xD Mar 16 23:54:16 now this is confusing Mar 16 23:54:26 pygi: but it applies only in AU shop Mar 16 23:54:31 MipsIrv, there'll be a new program when next device comes out no doubt Mar 16 23:54:32 shackan, ah, not australian, austrian :p Mar 16 23:54:41 shackan, yea, I know, I had a contact who could get it for me there :) Mar 16 23:54:43 shackan, AT* Mar 16 23:54:49 ignore me, I'm silly, it's night :) Mar 16 23:54:58 :> Mar 16 23:55:22 well, austria is about three hours by car, isn't it? Mar 16 23:55:38 jku: what is this dev-program about? Mar 16 23:55:40 at least from slovenia Mar 16 23:56:12 shackan, what's the point when ship address has to be somewhere in AT? Mar 16 23:56:24 no relatives there? Mar 16 23:56:33 hmm, anyone know why the mic might not be working? Mar 16 23:56:42 or friends.. Mar 16 23:56:51 ahhhhh.. if only i had time to contribute substantively and a desire to work within the current framework Mar 16 23:56:52 hmmm, or the speakers :/ Mar 16 23:56:55 for sip Mar 16 23:56:56 KotCzarny: "we want to offer the new Nokia N810 Internet Tablet to the most active contributors of the maemo community, as soon as possible and as affordably as possible. The N810 maemo device program starts *now* with 500 discount codes entitling their fortunate owners to get a device for 99€" Mar 16 23:56:58 i'd honestly like to see xfce on the device ;) Mar 16 23:57:19 jku: so it's some kind of lottery? Mar 16 23:57:20 :) Mar 16 23:57:26 shackan, nop, only in germany :( Mar 16 23:57:30 KotCzarny, that was maemo.org news 2007-10-18 Mar 16 23:57:34 mips: there was a port i believe :) Mar 16 23:57:57 jku: i got mine ~2 weeks ago :) Mar 16 23:57:58 kotczarny: yeah.. but that's doesn't exactly support the maemo project Mar 16 23:58:19 i look at the trend in embedded devices.. and i think.. i'd like to see some of this stuff come to the desktop Mar 16 23:58:29 like what? Mar 16 23:58:44 for the most part it is there.. just not packaged as well as it is for embedded devices Mar 16 23:58:45 you can put your nokia on the desktop.. Mar 16 23:58:46 ;) Mar 16 23:59:17 for example.. i have my n800 right now to pop rss feeds for stocks and deals.. i'd like to see that in a task-bar for both my n800 and my desktop Mar 16 23:59:37 seems to be a big stink about pim functionality.. i'd also like to see that integrated in both Mar 16 23:59:41 you mean, synch your feeds between both? Mar 16 23:59:57 conduit will take care of that soon, I hope Mar 17 00:00:01 native upnp support? here i am running fuppes.. libupnp.. djmount etc etc to do the job Mar 17 00:00:43 there seems to be more drive to provide more integration in handheld platforms Mar 17 00:00:55 unfortunately.. it is usually some offshoot project somewhere or a branch Mar 17 00:01:11 MipsIrv, I'm not seeing that Mar 17 00:01:31 Pim is a good example.. not much integration Mar 17 00:01:52 minimo. .firebug.. mozilla.. firefox Mar 17 00:01:55 thunderbird Mar 17 00:02:26 i want an efficient, feature-rich browser for both my handheld device and my desktop Mar 17 00:02:53 firefox3 looks promising Mar 17 00:02:59 maemo is never really going to make the 'sync me with the microsoft world' happy, imo Mar 17 00:03:10 i don't sync with microsoft Mar 17 00:03:23 i'd like to use evolution.. but i have commitment issues ;) Mar 17 00:05:24 anyone have a link handy on the flash map of the nokia platforms? Mar 17 00:05:47 and.. i'm assuming that the nokia flasher tool is already aware of that flash map? Mar 17 00:06:13 what is a flash map? Mar 17 00:07:51 at what address various images start and how much space they have Mar 17 00:08:07 e.g. kernel starts at 0x1000000 and it's size is 0x2000000 Mar 17 00:08:22 map may not be the right term Mar 17 00:08:43 alright.. cheapest i've found an 810 is $319US Mar 17 00:08:58 get n800 Mar 17 00:09:01 really Mar 17 00:09:02 :) Mar 17 00:09:08 i have one Mar 17 00:09:22 why get the 800 over the 810 though? besides the keyboard not being worth $150? heh Mar 17 00:09:26 for 100$ you can have fast and accurate gps Mar 17 00:09:38 and for another 30-80 bt keyboard Mar 17 00:10:08 but n810 has a 'chic factor' Mar 17 00:10:20 not quite sure what that means.. Mar 17 00:10:22 and it can be more important for some people Mar 17 00:10:23 :) Mar 17 00:10:28 can the n800's sip facilities work with ekiga.net accounts? Mar 17 00:10:32 'look, shiny!' Mar 17 00:10:32 :) Mar 17 00:11:36 KotCzarny, I thought like that until I got my n810... Now you'll have to pry it from my cold hands (and gf has the n800) Mar 17 00:11:49 the keyboard is essential to me now Mar 17 00:12:03 yeah.. the keyboard and built in gps would be nice Mar 17 00:12:19 i hate carry extra stuff with me and i'd hate to have another keyboard.. external gps unit etc etc Mar 17 00:12:27 jku: probably, but still, price difference is a killer Mar 17 00:12:43 i treat it more like a toy Mar 17 00:12:43 yeah.. it's the price that prevents me from owning one Mar 17 00:13:04 and breaking 400$ toy can make me unhappy Mar 17 00:13:07 extarnal gps is fine IMHO, just keep it in a pocket, but an external keyboard doesn't work on the move Mar 17 00:13:31 well.. external gps does have its advantages.. especially when driving Mar 17 00:13:45 mips: external gps mean you can get it and reuse it later Mar 17 00:14:06 alright.. this multi-byte string thing is really annoying me Mar 17 00:14:13 i forgot how annoying cross-compiling was Mar 17 00:14:15 and you can choose higher quality one too Mar 17 00:14:24 perhaps i will break down and just load the sandbox and sdk.. Mar 17 00:14:54 jku: maybe a kb with a holder for a n800? :) Mar 17 00:15:03 If I had the money i'd take the N810 though. Just aa great design Mar 17 00:15:23 has anyone heard anything about the next device yet? Mar 17 00:15:29 mips: nope Mar 17 00:15:35 Nothing leaked Mar 17 00:15:41 pupnik, they did an amazing job stuffing everything in it Mar 17 00:15:55 well except for the next N810 (N830?) Mar 17 00:16:03 there are some pics of one with a black keyboard Mar 17 00:16:04 curious why they did not abandon flash in the 800 for the root fs and just stick to SD Mar 17 00:16:16 pupnik: shopped i believe Mar 17 00:16:22 and it's a 1 photo Mar 17 00:16:23 :) Mar 17 00:16:29 jpeg glitch for a new face to same 810 Mar 17 00:16:39 not a glitch. shop. Mar 17 00:16:53 how would you know? Mar 17 00:16:58 they did it for purpose Mar 17 00:16:59 KotCzarny, your smileys juts have no meaning anymore... you probably knew that though Mar 17 00:17:13 jku: huh? :) Mar 17 00:17:26 alright.. i need a break before i rm everything out of frustration Mar 17 00:17:48 I suspect you have a smiley inserting script... Mar 17 00:17:57 jku: nope. more like a permanent high Mar 17 00:17:58 ;) Mar 17 00:18:06 MipsIrv: what are you doing? Mar 17 00:19:59 anyone? Mar 17 00:23:43 doc: i don't know, bbl Mar 17 00:26:08 ? Mar 17 00:26:15 man 'The IT Crowd' had so much potential :"/ Mar 17 00:26:27 a commodore PET as a prop. Mar 17 00:26:35 what is it? Mar 17 00:26:46 yet another geek podcast? Mar 17 00:43:49 shackan: no it was a short run tv sitcom from england Mar 17 00:44:32 Probably the same Commodore PET now showing in Ashes To Ashes... Mar 17 00:45:21 I used to programme one when I were a nipper... at school... my first experience of a "proper" computer after a Research Machines 380Z! :) Mar 17 00:46:23 wow strange plot Mar 17 00:46:37 same here, 1980 Mar 17 00:59:16 Damned :) Whole world wakes up :) When Moscow has 4 am x( Mar 17 00:59:25 not really Mar 17 01:00:01 Not really wakes or not really 4am?)) Mar 17 01:00:07 yes Mar 17 01:00:25 Mar 17 01:00:25 ;) Mar 17 01:01:15 Well, gotta go get some sleep :) Mar 17 01:01:21 C ya all :) Mar 17 01:01:27 :) Mar 17 02:25:28 looks like wazd had nothing to worry about Mar 17 02:39:34 so, anyone got a way to do h.323 on OS 2008? Mar 17 02:39:51 probably Mar 17 02:48:48 i did a bmw.323 in 1991 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 17 02:59:56 2008