**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 18 02:59:57 2008 Mar 18 03:13:54 oob: you have to dig into the language settings Mar 18 03:14:04 oob: but it's there. it's in a non-intuitive location Mar 18 03:18:50 thanks dragorn, much appreciated. Mar 18 03:19:13 if you can't find it, let me know, and I'll look again. it took me weeks to dig it up Mar 18 03:19:33 I think it's like 2 windows deep in language settings Mar 18 03:26:03 how can I get stereo bluetooth on the N800 with OS 2008? I cant find a how too.... Mar 18 03:26:48 first you get two N800s... Mar 18 03:26:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp Mar 18 03:27:17 it *only* works in things that use mplayer, such as kagu Mar 18 03:27:27 it will not work with the included media player Mar 18 03:27:59 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4244 Mar 18 03:28:01 ahaahaha Mar 18 03:28:33 lol at Proteous Mar 18 03:28:37 dragorn; settings..control panel..text input settings..languages..settings Mar 18 03:28:51 KotCzarny, that's awesome...I wonder why they were videoing it though Mar 18 03:29:07 does it work with Canola Mar 18 03:29:08 maybe those workers were struggling with it Mar 18 03:29:14 oob: sounds right. it's definitely not easy to find. Mar 18 03:29:28 KotCzarny, if the dude with the camera actually gave them a hand... Mar 18 03:29:30 or maybe it was weird to see something that big in exclusive building Mar 18 03:29:41 WorkingOnWise, I don't actually know... Mar 18 03:30:00 you could test it and tell me, and I'll update that post :D Mar 18 03:30:50 I'll have to see then. I have a shiney new N800 and a Motorola S9 stereo bluetooth headset Mar 18 03:31:31 dragorn: - truly. thanks for saving me weeks trying to find it Mar 18 03:31:34 I just switched back to wired headphones for now. Theoretically Nokia is working on it and maybe we'll see stereo bluetooth in the next major release Mar 18 03:32:01 can I expect the next major release to work with the N800? Mar 18 03:32:14 yes Mar 18 03:32:18 guaranteed Mar 18 03:32:19 :D Mar 18 03:32:40 * Navi bets johnx is a liar Mar 18 03:32:46 so, whats the most feature rich PIM for the N800? Mar 18 03:33:03 Pimlico is my personal favorite Mar 18 03:33:15 WorkingOnWise, GPE comes to mind. also the o-hand pimlico stuff is a little more slick but not as feature-rich Mar 18 03:33:20 Navi, eh? about the next release or about the a2dp? Mar 18 03:33:34 about your existence. You don't exist. Mar 18 03:33:42 there is no spoon Mar 18 03:33:45 * Navi swallows a handful of blue pills Mar 18 03:33:52 ooookay Mar 18 03:33:56 Lol :) Mar 18 03:34:16 Just give Pimlico a bit of time Mar 18 03:34:30 slick stuff Mar 18 03:35:23 does the back cover on all N800's move around? Mar 18 03:35:30 yup Mar 18 03:35:36 move around? Mar 18 03:35:43 oh, kinda Mar 18 03:35:45 feels very cheap Mar 18 03:36:04 Unit is solid as a rock. Mar 18 03:36:07 Not really :/ Mar 18 03:36:18 well Mar 18 03:36:20 either that Mar 18 03:36:25 ot 2kg in your pocket Mar 18 03:36:25 The cheap feeling, that is Mar 18 03:36:26 ;) Mar 18 03:36:28 *or Mar 18 03:36:41 mine's stood up pretty well to lots of abuse Mar 18 03:36:49 brutal Mar 18 03:36:54 erm Mar 18 03:36:56 *brute Mar 18 03:36:58 I've already dropped it a few times into concrete Mar 18 03:37:03 onto* Mar 18 03:37:12 accidentally, of course :/ Mar 18 03:37:17 i'll NOT test that :D Mar 18 03:37:22 hehe Mar 18 03:37:27 * Navi is clumsy Mar 18 03:37:38 darn gravity Mar 18 03:37:41 gah, I remember having my Zaurus C1000 fly out of my hands and bounce across blacktop O_o Mar 18 03:37:45 Lol Mar 18 03:37:51 blacktop? Mar 18 03:38:31 KotCzarny, http://www.google.com/search?q=blacktop Mar 18 03:38:41 helpful pictures included Mar 18 03:39:02 you mean asphalt? Mar 18 03:39:06 asphalt I guess Mar 18 03:39:14 whatever :P Mar 18 03:40:02 actually asphalt is a little more flexible than concrete Mar 18 03:40:03 :) Mar 18 03:40:17 this stuff was pretty rough though Mar 18 03:40:25 yeah Mar 18 03:40:46 my poor zaurus ended up with a nice scuff mark on the corner, but no other damage Mar 18 03:40:47 Dropped mine on concrete a couple times. Mar 18 03:40:56 actually if device is light it will suffer less damages Mar 18 03:41:01 The grippiness has pretty much worn off my N800. Mar 18 03:41:09 The plastic is very slick these days. <_< Mar 18 03:41:09 it will hit slower Mar 18 03:41:10 :) Mar 18 03:41:15 Landed on corners Mar 18 03:41:17 can't even tell. Mar 18 03:41:38 Anyways Mar 18 03:41:58 I've owned my fair share of junk that's made out of cheap plastic Mar 18 03:42:18 You ARE junk made of cheap plastic. :P Mar 18 03:42:23 i wonder when they produce 'computer in a cheap', complete with wireless communications/power source Mar 18 03:42:35 without any external pins Mar 18 03:42:39 * Navi cries to KotCzarny Mar 18 03:42:45 Also, it was way more than your fair share you greedy bastard. Mar 18 03:42:59 and size of a postal stamp Mar 18 03:43:05 bye Mar 18 03:43:17 erm Mar 18 03:43:20 *chip Mar 18 03:43:21 :) Mar 18 03:43:23 of course Mar 18 03:44:11 mmm....radio-isotope batteries Mar 18 03:44:28 Anyone have tcpdump for n770? Mar 18 03:44:30 I'm waiting for my "computer in a chimp" Mar 18 03:44:37 in a chirp Mar 18 03:44:42 * GeneralAntilles put Linux on a dead badger last summer. Mar 18 03:44:46 heh Mar 18 03:45:05 in a chink? Mar 18 03:45:46 in a cheese Mar 18 03:46:03 These Tor books work great in FBReader. Mar 18 03:47:13 lol.. in a chic Mar 18 03:47:14 :> Mar 18 03:47:23 or chick Mar 18 03:47:56 or child Mar 18 03:48:00 I've connected an N810 to Asterisk. The N810 can make outbound calls but cannot receive calls. Asterisk reports that the N810 is sending back an error; Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from n810 Mar 18 03:48:01 * pupnik rocks out to traditional laos music Mar 18 03:48:04 I love using comix for mah manga :3 Mar 18 03:48:19 question - what method does the n810's SIP client not allow? :) Mar 18 03:48:44 the method named "Not Allowed" Mar 18 03:48:51 i have yet to see good image browser Mar 18 03:48:55 I just delete that method and everything works fine Mar 18 03:48:58 One of the ones that's not allowed. :P Mar 18 03:49:04 with animated-gifs support Mar 18 03:49:05 Navi, does it work well? Mar 18 03:49:19 johnx, after a bit of modification, yes Mar 18 03:49:21 oob: in reality, no idea Mar 18 03:49:22 irfanview is my favourite Mar 18 03:49:31 but no source code.. Mar 18 03:49:35 Proteous, really? :) Mar 18 03:49:42 oob: most likely 'options' which the server does not understand Mar 18 03:49:52 aaah Mar 18 03:50:22 performance wise, it's okay Mar 18 03:50:29 then again. you might need the stun support with the sip server. Mar 18 03:50:35 lol Mar 18 03:50:40 is that legal? Mar 18 03:51:08 manga pages are usually high resolution scans so if you don't zoom, it'll eat up cpu clock Mar 18 03:51:28 zooming will eat cpu too Mar 18 03:51:29 oilinki, here's the thing; i've set the n810 up identically to an n95 which works. okay one is symbian and the other is linux but they're both from the same manufacturer Mar 18 03:51:40 ... Mar 18 03:51:44 hehehehehe Mar 18 03:51:50 oob, now that's something Mar 18 03:51:55 so I read stuff in fit-to-width mode Mar 18 03:51:58 oob, your point? :P Mar 18 03:52:22 oob: sip stacks can still be different. and also depends of your home router Mar 18 03:52:23 oob: it's not the manufacturer, it's the os/app Mar 18 03:52:37 my point, dear GeneralAntilles is that it should work without me having to think about it :) Mar 18 03:52:44 johnx where do I get mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel or a higher version? Mar 18 03:52:49 oob: dear windows user.. Mar 18 03:52:51 ;) Mar 18 03:52:54 Still in Extras Devel? Mar 18 03:52:58 ooh, harsh Mar 18 03:53:02 Look it up on gronmayer.com/it anyway, WorkingOnWise. Mar 18 03:53:09 oob: may be osx Mar 18 03:53:13 ok ty Mar 18 03:53:14 if that comforts you Mar 18 03:53:20 still fairly harsh Mar 18 03:53:41 oob: you either pay to get the job done or fix it yourself Mar 18 03:53:42 :) Mar 18 03:54:08 fe. looking for another client :) Mar 18 03:54:10 oob, is this with the rtcomm beta? Mar 18 03:54:37 oob, it was a general question to the group. I wasn't sure if it had been moved into Extras proper yet. Mar 18 03:54:49 johnx - no idea, never heard the term rtcomm. i'm using the default sip client that came with the n810 out-of-the-box Mar 18 03:54:56 .25 is in Extras Mar 18 03:55:00 oob: which service are you using? Mar 18 03:55:05 .26 is in Extras Devel Mar 18 03:55:37 oilinki, service? I'm using my own asterisk Mar 18 03:57:22 oob: ok. can you use tcpdump on the machine which runs the asterisk Mar 18 03:57:53 so, does anyone know if the rtcomm beta stuff upgrades / fixes sip support in any way? Mar 18 03:57:57 I took a tcpdump once, then I flushed my cache Mar 18 03:58:08 tcpflushed Mar 18 03:58:41 * Proteous takes the channel on a wild ride to the bottom Mar 18 03:58:58 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 18 03:59:11 actualy, if it was wild I might be fun, but it's pretty boring, sorry everyone Mar 18 03:59:21 man I fail at typing Mar 18 03:59:42 and/or where are we going and why are we in this handbasket? Mar 18 03:59:44 where's peer when you need him Mar 18 03:59:44 * KotCzarny yawns again Mar 18 03:59:57 * Proteous hands KotCzarny some coffee Mar 18 04:00:14 home time. thanks for your help chaps Mar 18 04:00:35 i don't do coffee Mar 18 04:00:42 i have my standards. Mar 18 04:00:52 /dcc send KotCzarny tea Mar 18 04:01:06 green, with lemon plz. Mar 18 04:01:24 btw. how is the debian for maemo going on? Mar 18 04:02:07 debian for the N8x0 tablets? I haven't done much work on it recently Mar 18 04:02:25 everything is pretty much there except for sound and more optimization of power management Mar 18 04:02:50 johnx: ok. thanks for the info. Mar 18 04:03:06 requirements for a sound card: p3@800, 340mb hdd space, 128mb ram Mar 18 04:03:11 *times* Mar 18 04:04:20 * Proteous renames KotCzarny to CaughtCrazy Mar 18 04:05:04 * KotCzarny starts licking himself Mar 18 04:05:27 heh Mar 18 04:16:50 c.c.c.c.c.c.ofofffffeeee Mar 18 04:22:59 * KotCzarny throws an exception at pupnik Mar 18 04:44:13 can you compile apt v.0.7 for os2008? or possibly aptitude? Mar 18 04:44:28 maybe Mar 18 04:47:04 dick-richardson, any specific version of aptitude you're looking for? Mar 18 04:47:09 any idea where I could find the source? Mar 18 04:47:25 not really...I just would like to remove unneeded dependencies I have installed Mar 18 04:47:40 well the source is at debian.org of course... Mar 18 04:47:52 kk Mar 18 04:47:59 isn't apt installed by default? Mar 18 04:48:04 makes sense, I'd guess Mar 18 04:48:10 or it's something different than apt-get ? Mar 18 04:48:13 apt is, yes...but doesn't include autoremove Mar 18 04:48:45 what's autoremove? Mar 18 04:49:04 removes libs that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed Mar 18 04:49:14 not bad Mar 18 04:49:15 s/lib/dependencies/ Mar 18 04:49:15 johnx meant: removes dependenciess that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed Mar 18 04:51:02 trying to build aptitude right now...we'll see how it goes Mar 18 04:51:29 which architecture are you choosing? Mar 18 04:51:41 armel? Mar 18 04:51:48 I'm building the source package under scratchbox Mar 18 04:51:58 ahh Mar 18 04:52:04 the binary package prolly won't help you without some hacking... Mar 18 04:57:56 more laos http://www.molon.de/galleries/Laos/Bolaven/ Mar 18 04:58:06 ouch :( Mar 18 04:58:51 I broke apt Mar 18 04:59:05 did you try to install the binary package? Mar 18 04:59:24 um Mar 18 04:59:27 yes Mar 18 04:59:40 despite knowing that it probably wouldn't work Mar 18 04:59:50 so...don't install the binary :P Mar 18 04:59:57 heh Mar 18 05:00:31 application manager says nothing is installed Mar 18 05:00:42 welll Mar 18 05:00:49 you still have dpkg Mar 18 05:00:50 :) Mar 18 05:00:55 ..to break Mar 18 05:00:57 :) Mar 18 05:01:02 dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of apt: Mar 18 05:01:06 nokia-certified-domain depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:10 nokia-repository depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:11 --force Mar 18 05:01:14 get the regular apt from maemo.org and pkg -i apt*deb Mar 18 05:01:14 nokia-system-domain depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:26 maemo-extras-domain depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:30 osso-core-busybox depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:34 nokia-selected-domain depends on apt. Mar 18 05:01:34 dpkg: error processing apt (--remove): Mar 18 05:01:34 dependency problems - not removing Mar 18 05:01:34 Errors were encountered while processing: Mar 18 05:01:34 apt Mar 18 05:01:35 hey! Mar 18 05:05:17 nie Mar 18 05:05:18 nice Mar 18 05:07:07 I don't have make :/ Mar 18 05:07:16 huh? Mar 18 05:07:19 :> Mar 18 05:07:20 on the tablet? Mar 18 05:07:25 to compile from source Mar 18 05:07:26 yeah Mar 18 05:07:38 dick: do you have windows? Mar 18 05:07:41 yeah...you need scratchbox Mar 18 05:07:41 and can't install it since apt is gone :P Mar 18 05:07:52 no, linux...kubuntu feisty Mar 18 05:07:56 hmm Mar 18 05:07:57 dick-richardson, *download* the .deb from maemo.org and dpkg -i Mar 18 05:08:05 yeah, still looking Mar 18 05:08:20 install scratchbox/sdk Mar 18 05:08:29 and use it to compile Mar 18 05:08:44 never understood what scratchbox was Mar 18 05:08:57 a build environment Mar 18 05:09:07 treat it as a vmware Mar 18 05:09:16 ok, that makes sense Mar 18 05:09:17 for compiling programs Mar 18 05:09:18 :) Mar 18 05:09:30 so I don't screw apt up on the unit itself Mar 18 05:09:34 that's a really good idea Mar 18 05:09:43 quite Mar 18 05:09:48 apt is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/a/apt/ Mar 18 05:10:09 the implementation leaves something to be desired but it pretty much works, and it beats trying to crosscompile by hand Mar 18 05:10:19 thank you john! I tried searching for it under their downloads Mar 18 05:10:34 oh GOOD MORNING :D Mar 18 05:11:06 I need the armel.deb, right? Mar 18 05:11:10 yup Mar 18 05:12:32 and I'm back :D Mar 18 05:13:04 yay...now you got off lucky this time, forcing depends on packages can lead you to a reboot loop really quick on the tablet Mar 18 05:13:05 next I'll try moving the kernel Mar 18 05:13:20 lol Mar 18 05:13:22 debian != ITOS Mar 18 05:13:44 I'm slowly learning Mar 18 05:14:29 basically just make sure anything you care about is backed up before messing around and you won't really have to worry Mar 18 05:14:41 oh lord yes...i'm backed up all to hell Mar 18 05:14:54 good, then have fun and don't sweat it Mar 18 05:15:16 sounds good...where's a good place for the kernel ;) Mar 18 05:15:17 just don't try and format or repartition the NAND flash (mtdblock0,1,2) and you're all set Mar 18 05:15:44 google: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+kernel+compile Mar 18 05:15:53 dick: why do you need another kernel? Mar 18 05:16:08 the more kernels the better! I have 8 or 9 and this thing flies! Mar 18 05:16:13 I was referring to moving the actual, running kernel Mar 18 05:16:25 erm, moving? Mar 18 05:16:41 KotCzarny, he was joking, I believe :P Mar 18 05:16:49 yes...analogous to screwing with apt w/o having the compiling tools to rebuild it Mar 18 05:16:57 johnx: he managed to break apt Mar 18 05:17:04 is someone from maemo website here? Mar 18 05:17:24 dick: why would you need to rebuild it? Mar 18 05:17:44 KotCzarny: i was attempting to make a joke Mar 18 05:17:55 ah, ok Mar 18 05:18:06 about as successful as my attempt to install the apt.deb from debian.org Mar 18 05:18:08 XFade would be who you're looking for, Italodance. Mar 18 05:18:56 KotCzarny seems to be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) Mar 18 05:19:01 oho, id got a hook on another wictim Mar 18 05:19:26 ga seems be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;) Mar 18 05:21:13 though ga seems to be more 'pink-webchat' style macho-ruler Mar 18 05:26:24 You are about to do something potentially harmful. Mar 18 05:26:24 To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' Mar 18 05:26:44 :) Mar 18 05:26:49 your tablet won't boot after you do that :) Mar 18 05:26:49 what are you breaking? Mar 18 05:26:52 Do it! Do it! Do it! Mar 18 05:27:02 lol! I'm not exactly certain I'm in the right frame of mind to be compiling software right now :P Mar 18 05:27:27 you see, it was st. patty's day, I'm I'm very celtic Mar 18 05:27:39 you're very drunk Mar 18 05:27:48 but maybe not Mar 18 05:27:49 it was st. patty's day like 3 days ago, right? Mar 18 05:27:53 not much typos Mar 18 05:27:57 *many Mar 18 05:28:18 in the US it was the 17th Mar 18 05:29:22 ah, nvm, I thought it was the 14th for some reason O_o Mar 18 05:29:59 I hope I'm not still looped in 3 days :( Mar 18 05:30:05 :) Mar 18 05:30:37 I'm eating my corned beef and cabbage right now Mar 18 05:30:45 Mmm Mar 18 05:30:51 Went to a party Sunday night. Mar 18 05:30:53 that's good stuff Mar 18 05:31:25 it can be Mar 18 05:31:31 mine is Mar 18 05:33:25 ummm Mar 18 05:33:31 os2008 is chinook yes? Mar 18 05:34:11 yep Mar 18 05:34:21 :D Mar 18 05:34:28 why does grep conflict with busybox? Mar 18 05:34:30 odd Mar 18 05:34:50 because busybox has grep substitue Mar 18 05:34:56 substitute Mar 18 05:35:11 and scripts are written for busybox's versions of utils Mar 18 05:35:18 and Nokia didn't use "update-alternatives" for some stupid reason Mar 18 05:35:20 and may fail on regular ones Mar 18 05:35:46 = not debian...yep, slowly learning Mar 18 05:36:08 debian, but with issues Mar 18 05:36:09 ;) Mar 18 05:38:11 johnx, grep isn't using alternatives on normal debian system either Mar 18 05:39:18 inz, fair enough then I guess. Maybe I was thinking of angstrom then, which copes well with busybox stuff being replaced by standalone tools Mar 18 05:39:40 johnx, replacing is not a problem Mar 18 05:40:07 rewriting/checking system scripts is Mar 18 05:40:08 then apt-get install grep and tell me how well your tablet works... Mar 18 05:40:08 :> Mar 18 05:42:54 you still can't apt-get install grep without it ripping out busybox Mar 18 05:43:36 yeah, i know Mar 18 05:43:43 fixing boot scripts is probably a one day job Mar 18 05:43:53 they're not *that* complicated... Mar 18 05:44:12 bugs can be hard to spot Mar 18 05:44:17 Gotta do it for each update. Mar 18 05:45:39 I don't really think you'll have many issues going from busybox to gnu utils Mar 18 05:45:48 Usually the pain is going the other way Mar 18 05:46:14 hmm...though mount comes to mind Mar 18 05:46:21 and bash Mar 18 05:46:21 ;) Mar 18 05:46:35 bash is sh compatible Mar 18 05:46:43 sh is not bash compatible :) Mar 18 05:46:47 ;) Mar 18 05:46:54 KotCzarny, care to give an example? Mar 18 05:47:09 memory footprint Mar 18 05:47:14 (that will work with busybox sh, but not bash) Mar 18 05:47:47 and i can tell any example from the top of my head Mar 18 05:47:47 memory footprint isn't a deal breaker for many people Mar 18 05:48:00 there's no real way around the grep limitation in busybox :/ Mar 18 05:48:08 but i remember having problems running scripts made for busybox's ash in bash Mar 18 05:48:25 dick: unpack, copy to /usr/local/bin Mar 18 05:48:27 :) Mar 18 05:48:38 dick-richardson, if you're feeling lucky just run dpkg -X grep.deb / Mar 18 05:48:43 see what happens Mar 18 05:54:26 KotCzarny, I really doubt real grep would break anything Mar 18 06:04:02 umm Mar 18 06:04:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/createaccount.cgi is it working for u? can u sign up? Mar 18 06:04:27 No Mar 18 06:04:30 The db is read-only Mar 18 06:04:33 4-ish days now. Mar 18 06:08:12 uhh so we should waiting... Mar 18 06:09:38 Don't have a mainline to the people who can fix it. Mar 18 06:09:41 Has anyone made a bug about 'zilla being broken?... oh wait... Mar 18 06:09:44 That would normally be bugzilla. Mar 18 06:09:47 But, ^ Mar 18 06:11:58 Anybody want to try some SQL attacks to see if they can fix the db? :P Mar 18 06:12:36 why none from maemo website isn't here? Mar 18 06:12:57 lol here is their official irc chat and they aren't here Mar 18 06:13:01 strange? Mar 18 06:13:26 Because they're busy people with better things to do with their time than idle 24/7 in IRC. Mar 18 06:13:33 a) It's not like this is an official support channel Mar 18 06:13:34 A lot of maemo people are in and out. Mar 18 06:13:44 b) it's 8 o'clock in Helsinki Mar 18 06:14:04 c) it's Nokia -- they probably can't get throught the firewall :) Mar 18 06:14:29 GeneralAntilles but only 1 person can be here isn't he? Mar 18 06:15:00 here is 9:45 in Tehran Mar 18 06:16:49 jku, facts will do you no good here, stop defending them!-) Mar 18 06:17:04 sorry Mar 18 06:17:04 rawr! Mar 18 06:17:09 Mar 18 06:17:30 Your facts are rigid and brittle! Mar 18 06:17:34 ^ troll Mar 18 06:17:40 Behold the power of my emotion! Mar 18 06:23:16 jku: there's always webchat.nl or however it was called Mar 18 06:23:18 :) Mar 18 06:24:15 webchat.xs4all.nl Mar 18 06:24:17 hah. Mar 18 06:25:59 erm. s/however/whatever/ Mar 18 06:31:29 Kot, "Give an IRC geek an webirc and he gives you saliva" Mar 18 06:36:47 ;) Mar 18 06:37:43 inz: i have 2 plastic/glass screns to keep me safe from saliva Mar 18 06:37:51 *screens Mar 18 06:39:17 my friends dog has diabetes Mar 18 06:39:19 O.o Mar 18 06:39:23 *times* Mar 18 06:39:37 *friend's Mar 18 06:46:27 hmm, how do I make a keymap for this: Mar 18 06:47:29 http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ Mar 18 06:47:51 can't find the def files Mar 18 06:48:05 are these only in the source? Mar 18 06:51:50 nice find Mar 18 06:52:30 :) Mar 18 06:52:53 I'll try shift+fn Mar 18 06:53:20 especially command navigator Mar 18 06:53:27 "A task navigator applet, i.e. a menu that replaces the default web or contact menu." Mar 18 06:53:31 that is, level4 shift Mar 18 06:53:35 * KotCzarny purrs Mar 18 06:53:40 hmm? Mar 18 06:53:46 http://upir.cz/maemo/cmdnav.php Mar 18 06:54:04 contacts-be-gone! Mar 18 06:54:05 :) Mar 18 06:54:40 hehe Mar 18 06:55:03 * johnx preferes personal-menu Mar 18 06:58:25 johnx, link? Mar 18 06:59:01 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17777 Mar 18 07:00:17 have to create PL locale Mar 18 07:00:39 C-locale FTW :) Mar 18 07:03:44 i wish my n800 would stop rebooting >_< Mar 18 07:03:55 rm_you: still? Mar 18 07:04:36 johnx, sorry, bad currency and date Mar 18 07:04:48 and 12h time :P Mar 18 07:05:03 ans separators Mar 18 07:05:47 I want a small version of clock on the left of the screen too Mar 18 07:06:08 KotCzarny: I haven't flashed it yet... i just tried removing stuff / resetting applets Mar 18 07:06:11 no good :/ Mar 18 07:07:15 rm_you: it reboots? mine just shuts down randomly, while in sleep and not. Mar 18 07:07:41 hmm, what did you guys do to her? Mar 18 07:07:47 rm_you: not sure if it's a clean shutdown or not, often happens while the screen is locked or there was just a time-out Mar 18 07:07:49 yeah mine sometimes shuts down, sometimes reboots Mar 18 07:08:06 i got to WATCH it reboot three times yesterday Mar 18 07:08:10 AStorm: i didn't do anything- it happens on a virgin flash too Mar 18 07:08:16 but before that it was shutting off completely in my pocket Mar 18 07:08:22 sounds like non-contacting battery Mar 18 07:08:40 rm_you: mine doesn't do it that often, and i've never been able to watch... but mine doesn't seem to do it when it's being actively used, like playing mp3s Mar 18 07:08:51 hmm Mar 18 07:08:59 yeah it was like that for about 2 weeks Mar 18 07:09:04 i couldnt ever catch it in the act Mar 18 07:09:13 and then all the sudden, it started happening when i was HOLDING IT Mar 18 07:09:28 AStorm: perhaps, but i don't see how that'd be the case, not when it turns off randomly in a very stable environment. Mar 18 07:09:32 haha Mar 18 07:09:33 man Mar 18 07:09:38 mine didn't start doing that Mar 18 07:09:43 ..yet Mar 18 07:09:44 :) Mar 18 07:09:46 and i think there's a newer image to install Mar 18 07:09:47 haha Mar 18 07:09:54 * rev knocks on plood Mar 18 07:10:10 * rm_you opens the plood Mar 18 07:10:44 i really think it's the battery Mar 18 07:11:18 hmm, I know what I'll do with the key layout Mar 18 07:11:25 rm_you: does it reboot when plugged too? Mar 18 07:11:37 change some key to be compose :D Mar 18 07:11:56 and add diacritic (that is, ogonek) Mar 18 07:12:45 bonus - can add umlauts too Mar 18 07:12:47 KotCzarny: yes Mar 18 07:13:05 anyone here an engineer? :P Mar 18 07:13:30 or work on DIY projectors? (ie, lumenlab stuff)? Mar 18 07:13:56 i have two overheads here waiting for LCDs Mar 18 07:14:01 rm_you, hmm, sounds very bad Mar 18 07:14:19 does it feel hot? Mar 18 07:14:28 pupnik: want to look at a Google Sketchup of my projector box and tell me if i'm retarded or not? :P Mar 18 07:14:35 AStorm: not at all Mar 18 07:14:40 hmmm Mar 18 07:14:48 google ketchup Mar 18 07:14:49 :) Mar 18 07:14:50 i'm just going to use the commercial ones Mar 18 07:14:54 but sure! Mar 18 07:14:56 heh Mar 18 07:17:33 hmm Mar 18 07:17:37 it's late Mar 18 07:17:40 (again) Mar 18 07:17:43 ok, bbl Mar 18 07:18:03 hmm, can N810 output video out? Mar 18 07:18:19 some hack? Mar 18 07:18:27 usbvga cable? Mar 18 07:18:50 what speed does the N8x0 USB host run at? Mar 18 07:19:05 is it 12Mb/s or (up to) 480Mb/s? Mar 18 07:20:15 have to connect some hub and test Mar 18 07:20:47 with ma 0,5G laplink cable Mar 18 07:22:22 *my Mar 18 07:22:52 it does support "simple usb metworking", right? Mar 18 07:29:59 is there a dead_ogonek key in X? Mar 18 07:31:26 bbl Mar 18 07:41:38 uumm Mar 18 07:42:02 someone knows how can i use internet on my n800 with pc usb? Mar 18 07:43:47 grab this here: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf on your windows machine and don't do anything with it yet Mar 18 07:44:38 then, on the tablet, get root access and type insmod g_ether Mar 18 07:44:54 and tell me if that works or causes an error message Mar 18 07:45:20 ok Mar 18 07:45:48 where i can add USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf Mar 18 07:46:00 just download it for now Mar 18 07:46:04 don't do anything with it Mar 18 07:46:07 ooh, acknowledgement of bugs.m.o b0rkedness on maemo-dev Mar 18 07:46:11 ok Mar 18 07:46:43 i can't download USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf it is not available Mar 18 07:47:09 hmm Mar 18 07:47:30 it works here Mar 18 07:47:36 Not here too :) Mar 18 07:47:55 yes the page can't find it...? Mar 18 07:48:12 ok, go to this page, scroll down to where it talks about "Nokia770 USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf" and click on one of the "here" links Mar 18 07:48:15 send it to me Mar 18 07:48:25 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ Mar 18 07:49:18 send it to me please :D Mar 18 07:49:25 it's linked on the page Mar 18 07:49:44 i found it... Mar 18 07:50:07 http://homepage.sunrise.ch/mysunrise/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf it works :D ok and ? Mar 18 07:50:38 on the tablet get root access Mar 18 07:50:59 did you already install easyroot? Mar 18 07:51:08 yes Mar 18 07:51:09 and? Mar 18 07:51:18 There's an applet that handles it all for you, isn't there? Mar 18 07:51:21 easyroot 1 kn is ready on my tablet Mar 18 07:51:44 *kb Mar 18 07:52:42 GeneralAntilles, is it out for OS2008? please tell me it is O_o Mar 18 07:52:49 it is Mar 18 07:52:53 ? Mar 18 07:53:21 qwerty12, I seem to have trouble finding it. I'd appreciate a link or a pointer in the right direction. :) Mar 18 07:53:36 Do you mean "usb_otg_sb" Mar 18 07:53:40 That's the one I have Mar 18 07:53:54 By Kate Aloha (spelling, sorry Kate) Mar 18 07:53:55 nah, the one for usb networking to a PC Mar 18 07:54:09 That one does USBnet Mar 18 07:54:19 well awesome Mar 18 07:54:30 USBnet and usb networking are different? Mar 18 07:54:31 Italodance, I have a much better answer for you then. hang on a sec. :) Mar 18 07:54:55 qwerty12, since it had "otg" in the name I figured it had to do with host mode Mar 18 07:55:23 The applet I got says network device mode & usb ethernet mode. I'm confused, sorry. Mar 18 07:55:29 johnx ok i am here for u :D Mar 18 07:55:55 * qwerty12 blinks Mar 18 07:55:57 qwerty12, nope, you're correct. :) I'm confused Mar 18 07:56:48 ^-^, oh right. I've only ever gotten usb networking to work under linux anyway so I'm intrested in hearing what you have to say too :) Mar 18 07:56:54 qwerty12, there's no difference. Mar 18 07:57:03 The OTG applet handles all the finicky switching for you. Mar 18 07:57:05 Very nice. Mar 18 07:57:07 Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. Mar 18 07:57:11 AFAIK, you just need that inf under windows Mar 18 07:57:15 * GeneralAntilles bought one of jolouis's adaptors. Mar 18 07:57:43 Does anybody know what the CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY option does btw? Seems a bit restricting. Mar 18 07:58:25 usb-otg-plugin seems to crash on me from time to time Mar 18 07:58:28 hi Tama^2 :p Mar 18 07:58:37 Ah, forget it, gtg. Bye all, school :( Mar 18 07:58:37 Hi italo :P Mar 18 07:59:03 is this the usb otg/networking statusbar applet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin Mar 18 07:59:27 y Mar 18 07:59:28 I'll guess "yes" Mar 18 07:59:32 great, thanks Mar 18 07:59:45 mmm I guess yes Mar 18 07:59:49 thank you Mar 18 07:59:51 >.> Mar 18 08:00:00 Italodance, go here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin and download that .deb file and copy it to your N800 Mar 18 08:00:20 funny thing, that plugin works with ntfs, usb control does not Mar 18 08:00:22 ok 1 min Mar 18 08:02:01 johnx done next? Mar 18 08:02:25 does it display a little usb symbol in the statusbar area? Mar 18 08:02:43 i need to install it on my n800 yes? Mar 18 08:02:48 ah, yes Mar 18 08:02:51 do that :) Mar 18 08:02:56 1 sec Mar 18 08:03:57 johnx yes usb symbol in the statusbar Mar 18 08:04:17 next? Mar 18 08:07:35 . Mar 18 08:07:57 hang on, eating lunch Mar 18 08:08:25 oh Mar 18 08:17:51 how can I decrease font size in Echo theme on N810, I mean where can I find the configuration file to edit? Mar 18 08:18:31 Morning. Mar 18 08:22:05 LoCusF, there are 12 and 14pt themes available on garage Mar 18 08:22:19 Howdy, X-Fade. Mar 18 08:27:52 morning all :) Mar 18 08:30:56 question: I want to copy the scratchbox and maemo-sdk installed on one machine to another machine. What should I do. Mar 18 08:31:03 Thanks Mar 18 08:33:31 so, yeah... Mar 18 08:33:43 http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp Mar 18 08:34:54 Should this be possible? Mar 18 08:35:24 the linux sdk? Mar 18 08:35:39 or are you using the vmware sdk? Mar 18 08:35:57 Linux sdk Mar 18 08:36:23 I don't want to do the bored stuff again Mar 18 08:38:29 Anyone met the same problem. Thanks Mar 18 08:42:12 jackylee, scratchbox does installs stuff to system dirs too Mar 18 08:42:33 could be trivial though Mar 18 08:43:52 So I have to reinstall it one machine after another If i get your meaning.^_^ Mar 18 08:44:25 well, you can try copying but there will be at least some hurdles on the way... Mar 18 08:45:01 init scripts and user/group at least Mar 18 08:45:06 I see. I will have a try.Thanks^_& Mar 18 08:46:27 what is maemo_sdk_4? Mar 18 08:53:08 Morning, all Mar 18 08:58:46 Howdy, Jaffa. Mar 18 09:17:10 morning all Mar 18 09:33:57 GeneralAntilles: check it out: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/PJ/Projector.skp Mar 18 09:34:07 that's what i've been working on since my n800 started being batshit insane Mar 18 09:52:41 rm_you: what's a .skp file? Mar 18 09:52:52 Google Sketchup Mar 18 09:54:02 is anyone using the rotation hack at http://sse2.net/rotate/ ? Mar 18 09:55:53 christefano, yup. It works as advertised. :) Mar 18 09:56:20 reflashing the kernel? oh horror, horror Mar 18 09:56:20 that's cool. is it indeed necessary to reflash with the modified firmware? Mar 18 09:56:34 kernel Mar 18 09:56:38 It's not firmware Mar 18 09:56:41 oh, okay. Mar 18 09:56:48 It wont tell the LCD controller to do the right things if you don't. Mar 18 10:03:17 modified kernel link is broken there Mar 18 10:04:38 oh, no, second link works Mar 18 10:08:41 johnx... Mar 18 10:15:26 have yet to figure out how to use flasher... Mar 18 10:16:45 BTobotras: it's easy to flash the kernel with fanoush's flasher on the device itself Mar 18 10:20:24 johnx are u forgot me? Mar 18 10:20:36 busy in real life Mar 18 10:20:45 lol Mar 18 10:20:55 xD Mar 18 10:21:25 * Tama^2 thinks of "all your base.." Mar 18 10:21:40 Tama^2: :) Mar 18 10:21:59 all your attention are belong to us! Mar 18 10:23:00 is there some way of telling N810 jump to bt (3G) connection when device is moved away from wlan Mar 18 10:23:10 it doesn't do that automatically Mar 18 10:31:58 ok there seems to be.. just in config dialog :) Mar 18 10:32:04 shame on me for not looking first :) Mar 18 10:44:28 bugzilla seems happy again Mar 18 10:48:11 Tester_: feel free to comment on the bug :) Mar 18 11:12:40 Hi, Do anyone know if there is a way to access the hardware OMAP's timers under control of Maemo? Mar 18 11:13:12 zuh: didn't you check something related to the timers? Mar 18 11:13:32 not through a maemo api though Mar 18 11:15:09 hello Mar 18 11:17:15 i'm having problems to install sdk 4.0.1 on a gentoo linux, anyone has been able to do it and could help me, please? Mar 18 11:17:51 just tell the problem. Maybe then somebody realizes he knows the answer and replies.. Mar 18 11:19:49 when running maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh I get some errors... looks like I tries to use dpkg... Mar 18 11:20:22 'it' tries... not me, sorry :) Mar 18 11:21:20 do I need to install dpkg before running that script? Mar 18 11:21:51 arodriguez: it should be doing that in the scratchbox Mar 18 11:22:08 i didn't need to install dkpg on gentoo to run the scratchbox Mar 18 11:24:25 Need help installing sqlite on N770? Mar 18 11:26:58 Anyone have success installing sqlite3? Mar 18 11:28:41 trickie, that's what I get: http://rafb.net/p/MRYYA528.html Mar 18 11:29:55 arodriguez: i cannot remember exactly, but i think you can specify not to install scratchbox from debs, but from tarballs Mar 18 11:30:07 either that or there is different install script for doing so Mar 18 11:30:17 scratchbox was installed from tarballs... Mar 18 11:31:26 seperately from this script? Mar 18 11:32:22 the first script i ran was maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh. I ran it as root, and it automatically did the install from tarballs Mar 18 11:33:24 ah ok Mar 18 11:33:46 then I added my user to the scratchbox, started the cpu transparency, relogged with my user and then, when tried to install sdk i got those erros... Mar 18 11:33:47 arodriguez, look at the command line help. there's an option to install from tarballs Mar 18 11:34:09 arodriguez: you should also stop the scratchbox service Mar 18 11:38:31 arodriguez: the script exits when it detects that you have a scratchbox session running Mar 18 11:39:22 if I stop it using 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' then I get other errors Mar 18 11:39:37 paste plz Mar 18 11:40:00 E: Scratchbox user's /dev is not properly set up. Couldn't read /dev/null. Mar 18 11:40:00 E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox//sbin/sbox_ctl start'. Mar 18 11:40:00 E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option. Mar 18 11:40:23 maybe permissions? Mar 18 11:41:00 arodriguez: sorry, my fault not clear Mar 18 11:41:13 arodriguez: i think you need the sbox_ctl running Mar 18 11:41:16 but no current sessions Mar 18 11:42:20 how can I see and/or stop running sessions? Mar 18 11:42:55 hmmm, its been a while, and i don't have SB here... Mar 18 11:43:09 login to scrtachbox and run 'sb-menu' Mar 18 11:43:15 maybe it is apparent there Mar 18 11:44:11 Hmm.... login also fails Mar 18 11:44:21 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Mar 18 11:44:48 ok, yeah i saw that ijn your original paste Mar 18 11:44:53 ouch Mar 18 11:46:24 arodriguez: http://www.lorenzogil.com/blog/2007/08/07/running-maemo-scratchbox-on-fedora-7/ Mar 18 11:46:25 I think I have to recompile my kernel :( Mar 18 11:46:27 try that Mar 18 11:47:06 it seems that i have to enable [*] Compat VDSO support Mar 18 11:47:32 ah yes Mar 18 11:48:33 it works! :) Mar 18 11:48:36 thank you Mar 18 11:51:49 np Mar 18 12:06:27 Is it possible to have fi_FI.UTF-8 support to osso-xterm and how? Mar 18 12:15:43 thux: do you have it working everywhere else? Mar 18 12:16:23 yes Mar 18 12:17:11 i was under the impression that it is wtf-8 Mar 18 12:18:14 irc shell irssi use it and osso cannot handle scandic letters like öä Mar 18 12:20:33 all pc-linux can and even wince putty can Mar 18 12:23:10 well, i have gnome-terminal, putty and such configured for wtf-8.. and my irssi is wtf-8 Mar 18 12:23:21 i can see öäöäö in n810 osso-xterm Mar 18 12:23:29 problem is that my shell is not utf-8 Mar 18 12:23:39 and that causes some very wierd behaviour Mar 18 12:24:00 wom-: Do you have LC_* set to whatever.UTF-8 serverside? Mar 18 12:24:21 yes Mar 18 12:24:31 everything is utf-8 :) Mar 18 12:24:37 that i can configure Mar 18 12:24:40 wom-: I always have to set "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8" manually when ssh:ing from n810. Mar 18 12:24:42 wom-: are you using screen? maybe -U helps :) Mar 18 12:24:48 wom-: that could be the problem Mar 18 12:24:54 jott: i am.. hmm :) Mar 18 12:25:00 i have to try that :D Mar 18 12:25:54 ok, with U it really gets messed up :D Mar 18 12:26:06 works here :P Mar 18 12:26:20 i know.. works for many people :D Mar 18 12:26:32 wtf-8 is great :) Mar 18 12:27:14 there is an iso8859-1 lurking in the corner :) Mar 18 12:30:06 wom-: and irssi has term_charset set to UTF-8? :) Mar 18 12:30:35 thux: .. Mar 18 12:30:45 sorry :) Mar 18 12:32:31 jott: yes :) Mar 18 12:32:42 ah Mar 18 13:06:40 <|newbie|> hello Mar 18 13:06:52 <|newbie|> lol, i am newbie Mar 18 13:10:04 aren't we all Mar 18 13:10:57 <|newbie|> are you ponging me, lol Mar 18 13:11:05 <|newbie|> it is too early Mar 18 13:11:50 <|newbie|> i just got kde on this doodad... Mar 18 13:19:00 Morning. Mar 18 13:19:34 morning Mar 18 13:20:00 hi Mar 18 13:23:21 what I need to do to have a maemo really working and useful to development ? Mar 18 13:25:51 more initiative Mar 18 13:28:32 guys guys Mar 18 13:28:41 i installed http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/sdlquake.htm now Mar 18 13:29:40 but it showes me sometimes the game is demo/unregistered and i must call to a number for do it Mar 18 13:29:43 ?????? Mar 18 13:30:24 Anyone here familiar with sqlite3 on N770? Mar 18 13:33:34 Italodance: you need the original game data files Mar 18 13:35:32 as the site where you got the install states Mar 18 13:39:55 trickie Mar 18 13:40:26 shareware data files ? Mar 18 13:40:43 ./quake/id1 Mar 18 13:41:19 i need to create quake on my mmc sd or n800 internal 256 ? Mar 18 13:41:21 whicj one? Mar 18 13:41:27 *which Mar 18 13:42:53 if you installed the version that runs from the internal flash, then install it on the internal flash Mar 18 13:43:21 Italodance: never mind Mar 18 13:43:36 if you installed the version that runs from internal flash you have ti already Mar 18 13:43:43 but i don't know Mar 18 13:43:46 i don't use it Mar 18 13:43:48 so i can add quake/id1 on one od them? Mar 18 13:43:57 ok wait Mar 18 13:44:25 no, read up Mar 18 13:44:40 i assume 'Ready2Run versions (just install and play) ' means exactly that Mar 18 13:45:02 that it says you have an unregistered copy is because it must bundle the shareware data files Mar 18 13:47:07 trickie i made quake/id1 and added shareware data files into that on my sd card but it didn't work? Mar 18 13:47:48 Italodance: did you read what i have just been typing? Mar 18 13:49:51 yes Mar 18 13:53:37 well the version you are running and playin already has the shareware data Mar 18 13:53:47 theats why it says it is unregistered Mar 18 13:54:18 to play the full version you need the original game data, and it looks like you need to use the install methods for running from a memory card Mar 18 13:55:30 all the info is on that webpage Mar 18 13:55:34 read it carefully Mar 18 13:58:00 yes i know but Mar 18 13:58:02 listen Mar 18 13:58:33 i downloaded http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/sdlquake/quake_sw.zip and added it to my mmc2/quake/id1 Mar 18 13:58:45 but how it works? just that? Mar 18 14:01:34 no, grr, those files are the shareware datafiles Mar 18 14:02:22 so what? Mar 18 14:02:23 you only need them if you are using the version of the software that looks for the datafiles on the mcc cards Mar 18 14:02:38 and i assume you installed the ready to play ones? Mar 18 14:02:40 oh yes Mar 18 14:02:41 one Mar 18 14:02:51 Ready2Run versions (just install and play) : Mar 18 14:02:52 yes well that has the data files already Mar 18 14:02:54 it is perfect Mar 18 14:02:59 hence you are playing it Mar 18 14:03:22 but on 1 scene it wants register....maybe it is full Mar 18 14:04:41 maybe not Mar 18 14:05:17 trickie tell me how can i do with http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/repo/dists/chinook/user/source/quetoo_0.5.0-7zs.chinook.tar.gz ?? Mar 18 14:05:31 what is this file and where i should copy them? Mar 18 14:05:48 sorry i bought my n800 a few days ago... Mar 18 14:07:04 xterm is x terminal? Mar 18 14:07:30 yes Mar 18 14:07:32 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-quetoo/ Mar 18 14:07:39 use the .deb available from there Mar 18 14:08:00 hope Mar 18 14:08:02 Italodance: i don't know, i don't use that software, but a quick google shows more info Mar 18 14:08:22 do you know how package management in maemo is handled? Mar 18 14:08:29 Preliminary quetoo (quake2 engine) port to the n800. The original quake2 data files are not included in the package. Mar 18 14:08:53 it is beta Mar 18 14:16:10 I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend Mar 18 14:16:18 it's hard to play when everything's so choppy :) Mar 18 14:37:13 I swiped the Q2 paks from my friend (the internet) Mar 18 14:37:27 though I think its legal since i have the legit cd at my house? lol Mar 18 14:44:27 Does anybody have any events or conferences that are interesting for the maemo community? Mar 18 14:45:18 I'm adding events to the calendar, so if you have something interesting. Please let me know. Mar 18 14:45:45 https://maemo.org/news/events/ Mar 18 14:47:11 Hello??? Anyone familair with sqlite on N770? Mar 18 14:50:20 anyone familiar with hildon widgets? what is the "header" widget used in for example media player and program manager (the top bar with the "window backtrace") is it hildon specific? Mar 18 14:51:12 X-Fade: Bossa Conference? Diablo release date? ;-) Mar 18 14:53:39 Jaffa: Yeah, bossa is going on right now. And I don't know anything about Diablo :D Mar 18 14:54:07 snake_mountai1: many. Try asking the real question you have.. Mar 18 14:55:30 jeddy3: "window backtrace"? The title bar is matchbox specific, afaik. Mar 18 14:57:39 * Navi wonders how alp's WebKit Mobile presentation went Mar 18 14:57:47 Kulve: I'm in red pill mode and have located the sqlite3 files but they will not install. I can't even install directly from the downloads. Mar 18 14:58:28 Navi: Yeah, mee too. I hope they will announce webkit for microb ;) Mar 18 14:59:03 :/ Mar 18 14:59:07 Fuck xulrunner Mar 18 14:59:15 kulve, not title bar, in media player if you go to for example Music, Artists, Artist, Album... you get a top header with a clickable "backtrace" of the subcatecories saying "Music>Artist>Artist>Album" Mar 18 14:59:31 X-Fade, that would be nice... would probably mean lot more apps built on top of it Mar 18 14:59:38 i have a q about sb2; i am running into a python error (ImportError: No module named optpars). Mar 18 14:59:41 webkit-gtk is in extras btw, so if you want to test it :) Mar 18 14:59:50 i am basically doing: from optparse import OptionParser. and that fails. Mar 18 15:00:00 jku, no it wouldn't :P It'd be a bloated xulrunner/webkitgtk mess Mar 18 15:00:01 X-Fade, ooh... nice Mar 18 15:00:07 i am wondering if sb2 is messing up python's search path or something Mar 18 15:00:19 jku: Including -dev. Mar 18 15:00:21 where you can click back to any of the categories you are located "under" Mar 18 15:00:42 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/w/webkit/ Mar 18 15:00:59 X-Fade, does it have alp's maemo-specific patches patched to it? Mar 18 15:01:06 kulve, think wiki link header Mar 18 15:01:45 Navi: I don't know. I just saw that they were uploaded to extras. Mar 18 15:01:54 Navi, what do you mean? Mar 18 15:02:14 jku, what do I mean about what? Mar 18 15:02:33 how would webkit be a mess? Mar 18 15:02:44 the xulrunner part would be a mess. Mar 18 15:02:58 a separate browser altogether would be best. Mar 18 15:03:05 well, I can imagine/accept that :) Mar 18 15:03:57 Application Manager, Install from file, libsqlite "Unable to update libsqlite...yada", yet I can't locate the file on the nokia Mar 18 15:04:27 hrm Mar 18 15:04:33 the packages were uploaded recently Mar 18 15:04:44 tried again to day. Mar 18 15:05:53 say's it is updatable Mar 18 15:06:05 Navi: http://nightly.webkit.org/builds/trunk/src/1 it seems that it is rather current? Mar 18 15:07:02 yeah, webkit's updated a lot Mar 18 15:07:24 but I'm just wondering if the webkit repos were in preparation for bossa :) Mar 18 15:07:28 Navi: Yeah, but that number indicates that it is source from about 10th of march.. Mar 18 15:07:50 yeah, I know Mar 18 15:07:58 the package was uploaded the 11th, too Mar 18 15:09:47 anyone using the minefield? how well does it work, compared to the built in browser? Mar 18 15:09:54 on the N800 Mar 18 15:10:21 well, the UI is just a desktop port, so it don't really work. Mar 18 15:10:47 i cant tap in a url in the address bar.... Mar 18 15:11:02 Navi: how would xulrunner be a mess? Mar 18 15:11:05 so I guess it's just a tease right now huh... Mar 18 15:11:26 WorkingOnWise: yeah. the urlbar is pretty small. Mar 18 15:11:28 dougt, it's totally unneeded Mar 18 15:11:36 and designed to integrate with gecko Mar 18 15:12:03 well, sort of. Mar 18 15:12:23 I get the On screen keyboard, and can see the cursor blinking, but nothing changes when I type.... Mar 18 15:12:24 xulrunner is the thing under firefox, really. Mar 18 15:12:30 or uh, the other way Mar 18 15:12:34 :-) Mar 18 15:12:38 no. Mar 18 15:12:53 Navi: sorry, you're wrong here Mar 18 15:12:55 but I see that bookmarks work... Mar 18 15:12:56 :P Mar 18 15:13:30 WorkingOnWise: everything "works" Mar 18 15:13:31 I've read that sqlite is part of maemo mapper, but it is not installed. I can't even uninstall mameo mapper now. Mar 18 15:13:32 whoa...it does tabs! Mar 18 15:13:45 its litterally the full desktop browser Mar 18 15:14:14 extensions, plugins etc. Mar 18 15:14:43 but the UI wasn't meant for the small screen Mar 18 15:14:51 wow....so it is *almost* ready to use...just cant type anything into the url bar Mar 18 15:15:16 WorkingOnWise: did you build it yourself? Mar 18 15:15:57 nope. installed from a repo i got at http://www.gronmayer.com/it Mar 18 15:16:15 scary. Mar 18 15:16:19 yea.... Mar 18 15:16:27 who is gronmayer? Mar 18 15:16:30 didn't your mom ever tell you not to take candy from strangers? Mar 18 15:16:38 lol..yeah... Mar 18 15:17:09 it's new to me, this N800 . Whats the workt I can do, brick it? Mar 18 15:17:11 so. all bets are off WorkingOnWise. blassey has a repo you should use instead. Mar 18 15:17:16 so there's an extension which pops up the software keyboard when a text box is clicked Mar 18 15:17:31 its in the mozilla builds Mar 18 15:17:38 where do I get that repo? Mar 18 15:17:42 I like blood Mar 18 15:19:08 actually, with this build, I get the keyboard, can sellect the url with the styuls, but nothing happens when I hit a key on th keyboard...wierd. Mar 18 15:19:42 blassey: the mozilla builds on the mozilla site? Mar 18 15:19:50 WorkingOnWise: here's an old version of minefield Mar 18 15:19:51 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ Mar 18 15:20:11 built in mid january (before all the performance improvements landed in the tree) Mar 18 15:21:14 so does that one perform like firefox 2? hehe Mar 18 15:21:20 if you want to try something more recent, there's a xulrunner built yesterday Mar 18 15:21:35 here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ Mar 18 15:22:01 I'm using it with bsmedberg's mybrowser UI Mar 18 15:22:11 no tabs or extensions, but super fast Mar 18 15:22:32 Is there a way to increase the minimum dtmf time under SIP calling ( rtcomm beta ) Mar 18 15:22:38 here's a little write up Mar 18 15:22:39 http://blog.mozilla.com/blassey/2008/03/17/maemo-buildbot/ Mar 18 15:26:08 hehe, the webkit in the repos is pretty nice :o Mar 18 15:27:16 Navi: What did you test it with? Mar 18 15:27:32 a demo browser Mar 18 15:29:15 Navi: does this run under the built in browser (replacing mozilla), or is it its own app? Mar 18 15:29:50 Huh? It's the demo app that comes with the webkit sources Mar 18 15:30:14 dougt: It is only the webkit library. No browser. Mar 18 15:31:33 X-Fade: how do I install it? Mar 18 15:31:48 dougt, it's in extras Mar 18 15:33:42 Navi: but not available via the Application Manager yet? Mar 18 15:33:54 dougt: It is a library. Mar 18 15:34:14 dougt: Not to be used by users. Mar 18 15:34:42 oh. i thought it was the library that implements the browser abstraction layer. Mar 18 15:34:58 dougt: Nope, that part is still missing :) Mar 18 15:35:12 come on alp! Mar 18 15:35:32 So you can make your own little browser by linking with it. But that is it.. Mar 18 15:36:06 I thought alp ditched the EAL when it went proprietary Mar 18 15:36:49 no idea. was kidding ^ Mar 18 15:36:56 :P Mar 18 15:37:39 anyone care to call me on my N800 so I can be sure my troubles are the fault of the site and not my N800? Mar 18 15:37:50 using google talk? Mar 18 15:39:27 sexy Mar 18 15:39:56 what was that alternative kernel+rootfs for nokia tablet called again? the one that's completely open? Mar 18 15:39:59 um....was that a yes Navi? Mar 18 15:40:17 I was talking about webkit >_> Mar 18 15:40:23 lol...ok Mar 18 15:40:35 ran the css benchmark by nontroppo Mar 18 15:40:54 1533ms in the demo browser, 10789ms in microb Mar 18 15:41:16 wow... Mar 18 15:44:33 Navi: And a javascript benchmark? :) Mar 18 15:44:37 yeah, microb doesn't have any of he performance work that has been written up Mar 18 15:45:00 X-Fade, find me one and I'll run it Mar 18 15:45:00 if you grab a nightly xulrunner build and run on that, we are pretty quick. Mar 18 15:45:01 :P Mar 18 15:45:41 Navi: http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html Mar 18 15:46:12 dougt, I'll look into it Mar 18 15:46:22 dougt, or you can run the bench :D Mar 18 15:47:06 please look into it. it would be cool to get your feedback. Mar 18 15:47:37 Are you part of the microb team? Mar 18 15:47:40 dougt: I wonder why there's no xulrunner builds for maemo ;) Mar 18 15:48:19 X-Fade, running it now Mar 18 15:48:34 Navi: Will take a while. I'm still running it on my desktop ;) Mar 18 15:48:36 X-Fade, you can do it from microb and save me the trouble :) Mar 18 15:48:38 lol Mar 18 15:48:50 Ok, I will do the microb one.. Mar 18 15:48:59 dougt: I take it "optpars" was a typo ;) Mar 18 15:49:32 which reminds me, I need to get around to building the latest svn on my deskto Mar 18 15:49:38 sp3000: y. Mar 18 15:49:46 Navi: 1071ms for xulrunner + mybrowser Mar 18 15:49:56 if i call someone from my n800 to their pc, and they dont hav a acm, and mine is on, will they see video from me? Mar 18 15:49:56 blassey, sexy Mar 18 15:49:57 sp3000: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371899 Mar 18 15:50:14 quick shit Mar 18 15:50:16 sp3000: the code, on line 3, just does an import. Mar 18 15:51:17 WorkingOnWise, in gtalk? Mar 18 15:51:19 * sp3000 isn't familiar with sb2, alas Mar 18 15:51:23 yup Mar 18 15:51:42 WorkingOnWise, desktop gtalk doesn't support video, does it? Mar 18 15:52:25 um....I assumed it does...Linux NEVER gets features first! Mar 18 15:52:50 It's been a long time since I've used the gtalk client Mar 18 15:52:58 linux has video in gtalk before windows? and a tablet to boot?? Mar 18 15:53:15 sp3000: know anyone that might know what is going on? Mar 18 15:53:31 zuh: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/xulrunner-1.9b5pre.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2 Mar 18 15:53:46 * Navi wgets Mar 18 15:54:04 I didnt seee anyting for video on the pc, so u are likely right....I just figured it the N800 does it, Windows has done it for years! Mar 18 15:54:06 lol Mar 18 15:55:05 so there's no way to do video calls to anyone but another N800/810 user. Mar 18 15:55:07 dougt: there's a scratchbox-users list, perhaps they're helpful Mar 18 15:55:32 same list for sb2? Mar 18 15:55:46 http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg00735.html Mar 18 15:56:00 thanks! Mar 18 15:56:13 np, hope it helps Mar 18 15:58:29 Navi: Ok, it seems that that javascript benchmark is hitting microb hard. I have to hit the 'Script is taking too long' popup a lot of times.. Mar 18 15:58:36 X-Fade, heh Mar 18 15:58:43 :> Mar 18 15:58:45 ^_^;; Mar 18 15:58:49 that kind of messes things up Mar 18 15:58:59 Yeah, it does.. Mar 18 15:59:16 one can simply put 'timed out' in results ;) Mar 18 15:59:29 hmm. think my laptop's going dead. I'll have to get used to the n810 for daily use, then... Mar 18 15:59:40 KotCzarny: 'dog slow' Mar 18 15:59:40 blassey: Sounds... unintegrated :) Mar 18 16:01:31 blassey: How recent is that? Mar 18 16:01:32 Anyone have experience with desktop applets in python? Mar 18 16:01:49 yesterday Mar 18 16:02:31 blassey: So it's some trunk/whateveritscalledformozilla build? Mar 18 16:02:43 yup Mar 18 16:02:49 coolness Mar 18 16:02:49 nightly Mar 18 16:04:19 Navi: Ah, about:config seems to help out here.. I've now set the timeout to 10 minutes ;) Mar 18 16:05:25 :) Mar 18 16:05:33 zuh, lol Mar 18 16:06:10 hmm. there's a few difficult key combinations on the n810. ctrl-p being one of them. Mar 18 16:06:47 Veggen: Doesn't ctrl stick when pressing twice? Mar 18 16:07:16 Veggen: Can't test it now, I'm running a benchmark ;) Mar 18 16:07:16 nope. ctrl doesn't stick. Mar 18 16:07:41 hmm. wonder if I can make it. Mar 18 16:07:54 X-Fade, Total: 20600.4ms Mar 18 16:08:00 X-Fade, Total: 206000.4ms Mar 18 16:08:04 was missing a zero Mar 18 16:08:20 Navi: My desktop: Total: 38950.6ms +/- 1.7% Mar 18 16:08:28 is that sunspider? Mar 18 16:08:32 blassey, yes Mar 18 16:08:34 would be perfect if it worked like shift and Fn that sticks if pressed separately. Mar 18 16:08:38 blassey: yep.. Mar 18 16:10:10 Navi: Save your url somewhere, so we can use the compare option :) Mar 18 16:10:22 Navi: If/when microb finishes.. Mar 18 16:10:28 Total: 108833.2ms +/- Mar 18 16:10:44 what's your url, we can do a side by side Mar 18 16:10:53 blassey, nice, half the speed Mar 18 16:10:56 er Mar 18 16:11:00 half the time ^^ Mar 18 16:11:22 huge url Mar 18 16:11:25 let me tinyurl it Mar 18 16:11:26 tiny.pl Mar 18 16:11:52 can you use a tiny url in web kit's comparator? Mar 18 16:12:01 hrm? Mar 18 16:12:08 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/371094 Mar 18 16:12:13 my url is there Mar 18 16:12:14 blassey: I don't think so. You need to expand it yourself.. Mar 18 16:12:19 http://tinyurl.com/yqlorc Mar 18 16:12:57 those are my results Mar 18 16:14:38 Heh Mar 18 16:14:50 Still running mine ;) Mar 18 16:15:12 the only thing that the webkitgtk build outdid the nightly xulrunner in was regexp Mar 18 16:17:07 javascript performance ftl Mar 18 16:20:12 Navi: Well, it is obvious that both of those options are a lot better than what we have now ;) Mar 18 16:20:22 :D Mar 18 16:20:33 And yes, it is still running ;) Mar 18 16:21:00 X-Fade: you're doing better than the iphone Mar 18 16:21:11 hehe Mar 18 16:21:16 it reboots when running sunspider Mar 18 16:21:21 haha Mar 18 16:22:09 blassey: Hehe, well it doesn't reboot. But it doesn't like it.. Mar 18 16:22:46 X-Fade, you're not going to finish any time soon ^_^ Mar 18 16:23:23 Navi: I think it has done 3 or 4 iterations.. Mar 18 16:23:32 lol Mar 18 16:23:33 Of the 5 it is supposed to do.. Mar 18 16:23:43 mmk Mar 18 16:24:31 I really need to reboot to windows to get some stuff done :( Mar 18 16:24:33 So i guess it will be something like total: 1 hour Mar 18 16:24:38 * Navi doesn't want to ;_; Mar 18 16:24:45 wine? Mar 18 16:24:50 my poor uptime :/ Mar 18 16:25:08 Navi: vm? Mar 18 16:25:17 nah Mar 18 16:25:30 Ah, it is running 3d cube again.. Mar 18 16:25:34 I don't have the resources to do that Mar 18 16:25:43 navi: swsusp2 saves uptime Mar 18 16:25:43 ;) Mar 18 16:25:59 i mean tux-on-ice Mar 18 16:26:03 3D cube's like the first test >_> Mar 18 16:26:21 Navi: yeah, it runs the whole test series 5 times.. Mar 18 16:26:28 oh, right Mar 18 16:26:39 * Navi didn't know Mar 18 16:27:50 @KotCzarny, intresting. it seems better than the current hibernation I have in Ubuntu :( Mar 18 16:28:00 :) Mar 18 16:28:09 i have never tried swsusp Mar 18 16:28:24 but recent swsusp2 version has some issues Mar 18 16:28:36 Ah, ok. Maybe not yet... :) Mar 18 16:28:42 :) Mar 18 16:28:53 at least on my laptop.. Mar 18 16:29:16 Ok thanks, I would hate to lose my work on scratchbox :( if it messed up. Mar 18 16:29:22 GeneralAntilles: thanks Mar 18 16:29:26 but on my desktop machine it works perfectly Mar 18 16:29:44 and it's the machine with scratchbox running :) Mar 18 16:30:04 That was a rather belated thanks :D Mar 18 16:33:16 Is there a "better" time of day to seek help on particular applications? Mar 18 16:33:55 snake_mountai1: I think now is about the best time. Mar 18 16:34:12 When nothing is being said :D Mar 18 16:34:30 Thanks. sqlite3, pretty please! Mar 18 16:35:09 I'm about ready to wipe my N770 clean and start over. Mar 18 16:36:12 (and silence pop out of the sky) Mar 18 16:36:16 ;) Mar 18 16:36:36 Mar 18 16:36:48 snake_mountai1: An actual question and a bit of background would be a lot better. Mar 18 16:37:19 ...(3 hours later),...let me begin again,... Mar 18 16:37:33 I'm just trying to install sqlite Mar 18 16:38:29 I've tried red pill mode. I've tried installing directly from the download. Failure. :'( Mar 18 16:38:44 I've been trying for a month, off and on. Mar 18 16:38:52 what does the log say? Mar 18 16:39:08 I had the same problem with vagalume. apt-get worked Mar 18 16:39:14 snake_mountai1: Error messages would help a lot more.. Mar 18 16:39:39 "not upgradable" is the error message. Mar 18 16:39:42 btw: which OS? Mar 18 16:40:12 I also cannot not uninstall maemo-mapper. Mar 18 16:41:09 I see nothing in /var/log Mar 18 16:41:13 snake: there is a log that tells more details. you'll find it somewhere in the menu. Mar 18 16:41:25 Tools, log afaik in application manager Mar 18 16:42:02 do you have root access too? Maybe apt-get would work. Mar 18 16:42:03 tools log is empty Mar 18 16:42:16 yes gainroot Mar 18 16:42:40 what does apt-get install sqlite3 say? Mar 18 16:43:08 snake_mountai1: What OS are you running? Mar 18 16:43:19 2006 Mar 18 16:43:48 Hmm i don't think it was installed there by default? Mar 18 16:45:01 E: unable to lock the adminstration directory /var/lib/dpkg is another process using it? Mar 18 16:45:08 close app manager Mar 18 16:45:15 oops! Mar 18 16:46:41 or use sudo Mar 18 16:47:05 not if you are already root Mar 18 16:48:14 "unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix --missing? Mar 18 16:48:28 Navi: It is still running. It started the 3d morph again.. Mar 18 16:48:28 hey I much farther than I was Mar 18 16:48:29 try apt-get update Mar 18 16:49:22 mgedmin: Do you run the irc log? :) Mar 18 16:49:32 Faheem_Pervez_qw: yes Mar 18 16:49:43 Ah right, thanks :D Mar 18 16:50:08 X-Fade, lol Mar 18 16:50:10 XD Mar 18 16:50:53 Tried it, still failing Mar 18 16:51:16 Maybe more detail would help? Mar 18 16:51:39 Navi: what demo app are you using? Mar 18 16:51:49 is it available in the repo? Mar 18 16:52:28 "unable to update libsqlite3-0" Mar 18 16:53:09 apt-get update just downloads lists of repo's. It shouldn't be mentioning a package. Mar 18 16:53:15 has anyone installed Gizmo 3.1 on an N800? Mar 18 16:53:41 blassey, no Mar 18 16:53:54 blassey, I'm using the one that comes with the webkit source Mar 18 16:53:58 Oh! I went back and tried application manager after ap-get-install qlite3 ...failed again Mar 18 16:53:59 GtkLauncher Mar 18 16:54:33 Navi: btw, are you using an n800 or n810? Mar 18 16:54:39 N800 Mar 18 16:54:50 hmm. revive my old via-based computer or get really used to my n810? Mar 18 16:54:52 does it matter? Mar 18 16:54:58 os2008? Mar 18 16:55:01 yes Mar 18 16:55:39 what did you do for the softkeyboard? Mar 18 16:55:44 os2008 overclocks n800's Mar 18 16:55:56 * Mousey won't stand for a soft keyboard Mar 18 16:55:57 blassey, what do you mean? Mar 18 16:56:03 not overclocks Mar 18 16:56:06 unlocks Mar 18 16:56:08 :) Mar 18 16:56:15 ununderclocks, fine Mar 18 16:56:20 =Pp Mar 18 16:56:25 the webkit in the repos is built with --enable-hildon Mar 18 16:56:26 too long Mar 18 16:56:27 :P Mar 18 16:56:32 or whatever the configure option is Mar 18 16:56:53 uncripples can fit too Mar 18 16:56:57 ok, bbl Mar 18 16:56:57 the keyboard comes up on taps to text boxes and input fields as usual Mar 18 16:57:12 and microb w/flash! Mar 18 16:57:24 Navi: cool Mar 18 16:57:28 ah, --with-hildon Mar 18 16:57:41 I had to add that in the the mozilla repo in the fall Mar 18 16:57:59 cool Mar 18 16:58:18 btw...got a pointer to that demo app source? Mar 18 16:58:40 * Navi shrugs Mar 18 16:59:00 I got it when I checked out webkit from the git Mar 18 16:59:33 anyone know how to get handwriting working in everything? Mar 18 17:00:14 has anyone ever reflashed their n770 with the hacked version (2007)? Mar 18 17:00:18 Does anybody know what CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY does? Mar 18 17:00:27 does file linking on the N800 work the same as in a desktop linux machine? I need an older lib than the N800 has, and I think I can get away with just linking the newer file to the older file. Mar 18 17:00:43 WorkingOnWise, linking? Mar 18 17:00:57 um..not the right term... Mar 18 17:01:10 anyone using sb2? Mar 18 17:01:22 a soundblaster?? that'd be a feat Mar 18 17:01:28 I was planning on giving it a try Mar 18 17:01:42 but I've been lazy Mar 18 17:01:44 I tried but I get Invalid target specified, aborting. Mar 18 17:01:49 In sb2 Mar 18 17:01:59 um...the app needs file.old - I want to make a ...symlink? from file.new to file.old Mar 18 17:02:06 oh Mar 18 17:02:11 same as any other Mar 18 17:02:20 ln -s file.old file.new Mar 18 17:03:45 cool... whats the easiest way to "share" the N800's file system with my laptop, so I can use my laptop to work on the N800. me the cli and a stylus aint a fun ride! lol Mar 18 17:04:17 sshfs Mar 18 17:04:27 cool. thanks. Mar 18 17:08:03 Navi: http://tinyurl.com/2aykrj Mar 18 17:08:35 Navi: 630685.4ms ;) Mar 18 17:18:55 i am trying to get python2.5 working in sb2 and not having much fun. Mar 18 17:24:14 is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in sb? Mar 18 17:24:57 whats sb? Mar 18 17:26:00 scratchbox? Mar 18 17:26:02 sbox Mar 18 17:26:05 OH! Mar 18 17:26:05 duh Mar 18 17:26:07 :-) Mar 18 17:26:49 i was setting up scratchbox 2 so that I could use gcc 4.2.1, but it might be as easy to get gcc 4.2.1 working in sbox1 Mar 18 17:40:10 i did the follow steps to install maemo on Ubuntu 7.10: I installed scratchbox, then I installed maemo-sdk (using the scritps downloaded by maemo.org). After I ran fakeroot apt-get update ; apt-get install maemo-explicit. So when I run af-sb-init.sh start and I open the Contacts application there is a little box with the contents: loading contacts that never close .... Mar 18 17:40:17 is this a bug? Mar 18 17:41:10 is it a bug or do I need to do something special to get images on gtkbuttons to show up? plain gtk works just fine. Mar 18 18:20:37 hi, sorry to be abrupt but does anyone have "acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz"? Mar 18 18:41:37 is there a command history for the terminal, and how do i use it? Mar 18 18:42:02 Up arrow? Mar 18 18:42:24 http://nitapps.com/ Mar 18 18:42:29 it has a mind of its own - it remembers pervious attempts (badly) and doesnt remember the previous command always Mar 18 18:42:29 bash is also an option Mar 18 18:42:40 previous even Mar 18 18:42:55 lol...hadn't considered the directional pad as an arrow key cluster... Mar 18 18:43:07 Damn sieves! Mar 18 18:43:17 The back key is also escape. Mar 18 18:45:56 the directional pad worke just like the arrow keys at least in xterm. slick... Mar 18 18:47:00 ,pimlico Mar 18 18:53:03 There's a libwebkitgtk-1.0 in Extras Mar 18 19:26:46 hello Mar 18 19:27:04 canola2 dies on me with missing ecore Mar 18 19:27:20 what do i have tgo install? Mar 18 19:27:28 *to Mar 18 19:27:51 AStorm: what os version are you using? Mar 18 19:28:14 if you are using a itos 2007 you first need to install a different package Mar 18 19:28:58 2.0.0-beta6-maemo2 Mar 18 19:29:06 and it's chinook Mar 18 19:30:02 you followed http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second.html Mar 18 19:30:24 I think so, I'll check Mar 18 19:30:47 I have no device at hand atm so I can't test , Mar 18 19:34:05 so this xulrunner update for maemo, what does it mean? faster browser, or is there still something missing? Mar 18 19:40:49 ok i make it Mar 18 19:40:56 hope help soon :( Mar 18 19:50:15 mypaint hildon Mar 18 19:53:00 hi unique311 :D Mar 18 19:53:07 hello Mar 18 19:53:23 hello Mar 18 19:54:06 Italodance: did you fix your OTG problems in the end? Mar 18 19:58:15 talk to me about gtk settings Mar 18 19:59:19 U,u Mar 18 20:02:11 when a change is made to say cursor-theme-name dos it happen right away.do all programs know about the change Mar 18 20:02:58 * Tama^2 <--- knows nothing Mar 18 20:03:29 im next to u on that Mar 18 20:20:25 Tama^2 what? Mar 18 20:20:34 OTG problems? Mar 18 21:10:58 I have an n810 running os2008 version 2.2007.50-2 ... In both this version, and the version that shipped with the n810, I have never been able to connect to a WLAN using WEP. I know I'm probably missing something stupid. Google has been no help **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 18 21:11:42 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 19 01:22:24 2008 Mar 19 01:47:01 i was looking at the usb networking howto Mar 19 01:47:06 and ..hm, Mar 19 01:47:33 i can't figure out where i'm supposed to get the module from ? Mar 19 01:47:43 compile it yourself? Mar 19 01:47:49 but maybe it's already on device Mar 19 01:47:59 what's the name? Mar 19 01:47:59 Hola Mar 19 01:48:08 i have just installed nokia os08 firmware Mar 19 01:48:15 errordeveloper, just use the statusbar applet. Mar 19 01:48:24 Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown Mar 19 01:48:35 GeneralAntilles: right // Mar 19 01:50:22 Hi Tama^2 Mar 19 01:50:28 but i couldn't see it in the app manager Mar 19 01:50:48 GeneralAntilles: could you tell me please, where to get the applet ? Mar 19 01:51:11 the otg applet? Mar 19 01:51:15 i have just installed usbcontrol app, but Mar 19 01:51:19 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin Mar 19 01:51:22 that seems to be something else Mar 19 01:52:03 No, it's not. Mar 19 01:52:12 It does host/client and usbnet. Mar 19 01:52:32 right .. Mar 19 01:53:15 rihgt ..there are three buttons Mar 19 01:53:27 OTG ; peripherals ; host Mar 19 01:53:50 That's USB Control Mar 19 01:53:54 The plugin is different. Mar 19 01:54:36 hm .. Mar 19 01:55:40 so i need to install the usb-otg-plugin deb ? Mar 19 01:57:32 If you're interested in going that method, yes. Mar 19 01:57:52 GeneralAntilles: what's the other method ? Mar 19 01:58:03 in fact i need it to be gui Mar 19 01:58:11 The rest are non-gui. Mar 19 02:03:45 well .. this thing doesn't actually work the way i expect Mar 19 02:05:10 What way is that? Mar 19 02:05:22 'click-works' Mar 19 02:07:46 YES! darius reloaded! Mar 19 02:22:48 GeneralAntilles: it's like after i click on there and choose USB ethernet .. Mar 19 02:23:07 it looks like something crashes and the xsession restarts Mar 19 02:23:21 It's a desktop crash Mar 19 02:23:24 Have you tried restarting? Mar 19 02:23:29 yeah Mar 19 02:23:32 i did Mar 19 02:23:38 same again Mar 19 02:24:03 and i cannot see any modules in lsmod Mar 19 02:24:16 neither there is any new interface in ifconfig Mar 19 02:24:18 ;( Mar 19 02:25:01 is there syslogd running on maemo ? Mar 19 02:25:39 well .. i turned it of Mar 19 02:25:41 off Mar 19 02:25:49 i 'll have a look tomorrow Mar 19 02:49:17 wheee, new laptop :) Mar 19 02:50:10 'grats. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 19 02:59:57 2008