**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 20 02:59:56 2008 Mar 20 03:22:32 bye Mar 20 03:46:16 :D Mar 20 03:56:12 hi italo Mar 20 04:15:14 Anyone kowns how to telnet or ssh to n810? Thanks Mar 20 04:15:32 for ssh you have to install openssh server Mar 20 04:16:00 install ssh. Mar 20 04:16:41 how to install? is there any ssh maemo pkg ? Mar 20 04:16:47 yes Mar 20 04:17:10 Thanks Mar 20 04:17:35 openssh Mar 20 04:17:36 It's in Extras. Mar 20 04:18:26 Oh, nice Mar 20 04:18:50 Don't worry if it appears to be stalled during the install Mar 20 04:18:54 It's just generating keys. Mar 20 04:59:22 is there any way to get the webcam/mic working with flash in OS2008? Mar 20 04:59:37 with flash? Mar 20 05:00:43 yes, so that flash can pick up on the video and audio stream Mar 20 05:00:54 for sites such as, for instance, www.mebeam.com Mar 20 05:00:57 ah, i guess no Mar 20 05:07:17 No Mar 20 05:07:20 Talk to Adobe. Mar 20 05:10:34 i wish i could see current power drain on tablet Mar 20 05:10:48 pupnik: calculate! Mar 20 05:10:52 so i can brag to x86 laptop users Mar 20 05:11:09 it ought to be exposed through /proc imo. on my thinkpad i can see it Mar 20 05:11:15 i think thru acpi Mar 20 05:11:26 no acpi on omap Mar 20 05:11:43 ok. well they suxxor for not showing me current power drain :) Mar 20 05:12:07 unless they do, but not document it anywhere Mar 20 05:12:08 :) Mar 20 05:13:38 btw. do you remember my kcbatt draws? Mar 20 05:13:53 i remember you had a kcbatt app Mar 20 05:14:06 it looks like temp. sensors report inversed values Mar 20 05:14:16 ie. colder == higher value Mar 20 05:34:07 hi Mar 20 05:38:15 usb otg what is it? Mar 20 05:42:08 google for "usb on the go" Mar 20 07:02:14 YEAH! Mar 20 07:17:33 . Mar 20 07:27:18 hmm.. i am using 'top' in device and looking at %MEM field. as i understand it shoudl be percent of physical memory consumed by process. but if i sum up all the percentages i get way more than 100%. am i missing something here Mar 20 07:27:33 yes Mar 20 07:27:39 ok :) Mar 20 07:33:19 ummm someone installed shadow warrior? Mar 20 07:33:32 it it not full screen on my n800 os2008? Mar 20 07:34:25 wom- maybe it's calculating shared libraries in some weird manner (I really don't know, just guessing) Mar 20 07:36:06 konttori_work: could be.. just wanted to see how much my stuff consumes memory. top must be some stripped version in armel because i can't change modes and fields it displays Mar 20 07:36:25 wom: it's busybox's applet Mar 20 07:36:38 you can compile real top and copy it to nokia Mar 20 07:36:53 KotCzarny: yep, i have to do that Mar 20 07:37:12 but it won't give any "better" memory figures... Mar 20 07:37:26 :) Mar 20 07:37:38 :) Mar 20 07:37:52 cat /proc/meminfo Mar 20 07:38:41 anyone played with gnuplot? Mar 20 07:58:35 * pupnik daydreams persistently about fm OPL2 synthesis on TI DSP Mar 20 07:59:06 * KotCzarny curses gnuplot for doing weird things Mar 20 08:02:57 off topic..... Mar 20 08:05:14 pupnik: it's not that hard to make something for the dsp Mar 20 08:05:27 it starts to be hard when you want something to work efficiently there.. Mar 20 08:08:08 ok it is playing Mar 20 08:08:21 but how i can quit??? Mar 20 08:08:22 lol Mar 20 08:08:44 kulve: it takes around 12-15% cpu time of omap2420 core in my tests Mar 20 08:08:56 this i think puts it roughly in the 'do-able' category Mar 20 08:09:06 Morning, all Mar 20 08:09:16 Morning Jaffa! Mar 20 08:13:52 morning Mar 20 08:17:06 is there any port of the 'clear' command for osso-xterm :) ? Mar 20 08:17:30 yup, it's morning ;) Mar 20 08:17:42 yeah , coreutils Mar 20 08:17:50 but not easy to install Mar 20 08:18:04 major change to the system Mar 20 08:18:50 someone could build a nonn-conflicting correutils package Mar 20 08:19:13 blah, have to reduce autorepeat Mar 20 08:19:26 LoCusF, http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/osso-xterm/ Mar 20 08:19:48 GeneralAntilles: already dl'ed the newest version Mar 20 08:20:00 its in ncurses-bin on ubuntu O_o Mar 20 08:21:21 It at least has a menu option for it. Mar 20 08:21:29 Cool that someone is making the latest xterm packages available. Mar 20 08:21:41 xterm, pf. Mar 20 08:22:17 Just make sure you also install the latest vte as well if you use that. Mar 20 08:22:36 I wonder if that page also contains the latest vte (it should, as latest xterm depends on it) Mar 20 08:22:38 already did that :) Mar 20 08:22:54 good question Mar 20 08:24:09 if I'd just get my finger keyboard activated Mar 20 08:25:48 how much pressure should I apply to the screen to get it? It says that a finger tap is sufficient Mar 20 08:27:38 it's weird, I don't knpw how to activate it reliably Mar 20 08:29:43 Center d-pad Mar 20 08:30:13 heh, just hold your finger Mar 20 08:30:35 Finger activation is stupid Mar 20 08:30:39 It's never been reliable Mar 20 08:30:41 d-pad is 100% Mar 20 08:30:46 yep Mar 20 08:31:03 on n810 :) Mar 20 08:31:06 no, activation of finger keyboard Mar 20 08:31:33 but then, it's pointless on N810 Mar 20 08:31:49 finger keys are worse than hw ones Mar 20 08:31:54 YEASH! Mar 20 08:31:55 no feedback Mar 20 08:32:44 hmm, maybe it has some overwhelming advantages over finger keys Mar 20 08:32:59 I just hate to open it up to press Alt+2 Mar 20 08:33:13 I much prefer the touchscreen over the compromises of a slider. Mar 20 08:33:50 lol? Mar 20 08:34:02 use escape or xchat Mar 20 08:34:20 AStorm: I do use escape :) Mar 20 08:34:32 esc 2 = meta-2 = alt-2 Mar 20 08:34:40 yeah yeah Mar 20 08:34:51 but I still need to open up the kb for Fn+2 Mar 20 08:34:55 nope, w Mar 20 08:34:59 lol Mar 20 08:35:03 use xchat Mar 20 08:35:12 gaah Mar 20 08:35:18 there is a beta for chinook Mar 20 08:35:31 somewhere on the net Mar 20 08:35:33 I want to use osso-xterm with irssi on remote server :) Mar 20 08:35:41 blah then Mar 20 08:35:44 because irssi rules them all :) Mar 20 08:35:49 what for? Mar 20 08:35:49 it sure does Mar 20 08:36:03 it sure sucks more than weechat Mar 20 08:36:09 :P Mar 20 08:36:21 matters of taste can't be argued over :) Mar 20 08:36:25 and on maemo, xchat is the king Mar 20 08:36:30 irssi is nice, fast and simple Mar 20 08:36:36 YEAH! Mar 20 08:36:45 does anyone know if there's any compatibility with maemo-mapper and RoadMap? Mar 20 08:36:46 (haven't tried rtcom beta irc support yet) Mar 20 08:37:00 AStorm: I have.. it works with prvmsg Mar 20 08:37:06 rtcomm and Pidgin are garbage for anything beyond VERY light IRC use. Mar 20 08:37:15 you see privmsgs as normal chat invitations. like gtalk Mar 20 08:37:30 i don't know how to join channels etc. with rtcomm irc Mar 20 08:37:52 maybe it is not even possible Mar 20 08:37:58 it is Mar 20 08:38:15 you gotta open up the 'Chat' application Mar 20 08:38:40 and from menu, select "Join chatroom" Mar 20 08:38:51 nopes Mar 20 08:39:18 yeah, or you could add favorite chatrooms as buddies in the left panel like they were persons in icq/aol/aim/etc Mar 20 08:39:26 ah wait, yup Mar 20 08:39:41 liri is right :) Mar 20 08:39:52 only thing is that when you leave your device 'hanging' on irc for night.. in the morning battery is empty Mar 20 08:39:55 :) Mar 20 08:40:00 ping pongs etc.. Mar 20 08:40:03 I've been using pidgin for a long time now, I really like it Mar 20 08:40:25 pidgin rocks if I don't have anything else at hand and want to click links Mar 20 08:40:29 guys guys Mar 20 08:40:29 does anyone have an n810 nearby? Mar 20 08:40:42 liri: here Mar 20 08:40:42 o/ Mar 20 08:40:44 here Mar 20 08:40:45 i have in my hands Mar 20 08:40:49 ahh good Mar 20 08:40:54 tell me Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet can do more backlight and volume for tablet? Mar 20 08:40:59 ? Mar 20 08:41:03 true Mar 20 08:41:06 more backlight Mar 20 08:41:07 but no more volume Mar 20 08:41:11 same volume Mar 20 08:41:34 ok tnx :D Mar 20 08:41:47 wom- / LoCusF: I want to check compatibility with the freemap.co.il maps website because it's the only source I can relay of on maps for my country. could someone give a quick try? Mar 20 08:42:13 gtg now but later Mar 20 08:42:27 sorry i am at work also, maybe evening Mar 20 08:42:28 I'm in Finland, does that matter? Mar 20 08:42:44 it shouldn't Mar 20 08:43:04 LoCusF oh Mar 20 08:43:04 I just want to see if the website is compatible with maemo-mapper or some other mapping program available in n810 Mar 20 08:43:12 are u from nokia staff? Mar 20 08:44:34 hullo Mar 20 08:44:47 funny this chat client :) Mar 20 08:45:18 Xchat is the way to go for GUI and irssi for console. Mar 20 08:45:25 no nick completion... Mar 20 08:46:19 could've been nice Mar 20 08:46:37 xchat could use some polishing still Mar 20 08:46:44 w/o nickcomp it's kind of pointless Mar 20 08:46:51 pupnik, yeah Mar 20 08:47:04 scrolling for one Mar 20 08:47:15 (instead of selection) Mar 20 08:47:42 bye for now Mar 20 08:48:04 blah i need an anti-shake filter for mencoder :/ Mar 20 08:48:17 right now the only free solution is avidub and a plugin under winders Mar 20 08:58:54 hmm 'kino' claims to have a jerkiness filter Mar 20 09:17:38 pupnik: easier to use a tripod when recording it? ;-) Mar 20 09:19:41 how much uptime you get with os2008? Mar 20 09:22:47 * T0b0tras- has 10mins currently Mar 20 09:23:42 mine now up 22:51, Mar 20 09:24:16 who has nokia internet tablet here? Mar 20 09:24:57 I would guess: "most" Mar 20 09:24:58 what about it? Mar 20 09:25:09 who hasn't? Mar 20 09:25:48 eurodance: nokia tablets on #maemo? no one Mar 20 09:39:10 Is there any difference in gps usage between os2007 and 2008? Mar 20 09:39:15 From API POV Mar 20 09:39:42 BTobotras, liblocation is new, IIRC Mar 20 09:39:53 jku: thanks Mar 20 09:40:05 but you can still do it like you did in os2007, I think Mar 20 09:42:43 jku: I didn't :) Going to learn yet. Mar 20 09:45:09 liblocation is easiest (but 2008 only), compare the connectivity HOW-TOs for maemo 3 and 4 Mar 20 09:47:13 okay Mar 20 09:49:15 "if a full word processor like Abiword can work, [openoffice.org] is not much of a stretch" -- hah! Mar 20 09:49:32 I'd like to see that Mar 20 09:58:34 Anybody with n810 or BT GPS could test my gps test? :) Mar 20 10:08:33 BTobotras, if it's simple, sure Mar 20 10:09:57 jku: it should just print coords on every change, http://xtalk.msk.su/maemo/gps/gpstest Mar 20 10:10:09 jku: or I may give you a source Mar 20 10:15:51 BTobotras, it doesn't try to start the gps by itself Mar 20 10:16:23 started it by hand, I'll let you know if/when I have a fix Mar 20 10:17:00 jku: I see. Mar 20 10:17:50 yep, works fine Mar 20 10:20:45 jku: many thanks Mar 20 10:22:19 jku: how does it print location? As a floating point signed degrees? Mar 20 10:23:51 BTobotras, Latitude: 60.20 Longitude: 24.88 Altitude: 40.50 (on three rows) Mar 20 10:24:05 I assume they're signed :) Mar 20 10:24:37 jku: okay :-) Mar 20 10:25:53 That was with an external GPS btw, but IME the internal works just the same when it decides to work at all Mar 20 10:27:25 good morning Mar 20 10:28:06 jku: that makes north of Munkkiniemi? Mar 20 10:29:40 you can give the coordinates directly to maps.google.com :) Mar 20 10:30:22 that's pretty lousy resolution, though, if 2 decimals is hardcoded. around kilometer. Mar 20 10:30:43 http://maps.google.com/?q=60.20,24.88 Mar 20 10:30:54 Juhaz: but they aren't Mar 20 10:30:55 not to point at anybody's home or anything.. Mar 20 10:31:27 whoa, that's not correct! Mar 20 10:31:59 ah, it's close enough with that numerical precision Mar 20 10:33:26 BTobotras, you're not cutting the decimals? Mar 20 10:33:43 jku: I do, to two decimal digits. Mar 20 10:33:57 ok, then everything's fine Mar 20 10:35:19 and my geo-privacy is preserved Mar 20 10:35:23 (like I hadn't used my home address in all geoclue examples...) Mar 20 10:35:42 :-D Mar 20 10:56:58 which video quality is the best for n800 512? Mar 20 10:57:26 liri: do you still need testing? Mar 20 10:58:42 LoCusF: yeah Mar 20 10:58:49 LoCusF: ofcourse :) Mar 20 10:59:04 liri: it processed something but failed with 42 maps Mar 20 10:59:38 LoCusF: umm what does it mean? Mar 20 10:59:51 liri: that it doesn't seem to be working Mar 20 11:00:25 Italodance: there's bitrate, there's resolution, there's fps. All affect to video quality Mar 20 11:00:29 * BTobotras tries to pair n800 with BT GPS to no avail. If only password is wrong... Mar 20 11:00:59 Hi, I want to use sbrsh for cup-transparent in scratchbox, but it return mounting faild . I ssh to n810 and Mar 20 11:01:01 kulve tell me ur best test Mar 20 11:01:26 run the mount -t nfs ... command ,it also failed , Mar 20 11:01:33 this is what I use: mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect -vf scale=640:240 in.mpg -o out.avi Mar 20 11:01:57 LoCusF: can you check if you can install RoadMap? that seems to be copmliant Mar 20 11:02:00 *compliant Mar 20 11:02:14 ameng: you have nfs server configured and running properly in your host (outside sb)? Mar 20 11:02:28 liri: just tell me the url and I'll take a look :) Mar 20 11:02:50 LoCusF: there's https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2079 and you can check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/index.php?t-17718.html also Mar 20 11:02:56 jumpula:yes , I can mount nfs from another pc Mar 20 11:03:46 liri: well I though that it was maemo mapper repo, I currently don't have that much memory left for any additional installs :/ Mar 20 11:03:55 can you mount those particular paths sbrsh is trying to mount? Mar 20 11:04:02 liri: but if I ever need to use it, then I will try :) Mar 20 11:04:58 Italodance: do you think that every finn here is a nokia dev :) ? Mar 20 11:05:19 ameng: and if you can provide the error message, the less guessing i have to do :) Mar 20 11:05:39 damn Mar 20 11:06:10 do a bluetooth pairing, press "OK" and nothing happens, not even an errorr... Mar 20 11:06:24 jumpula, [sbox-n810: ~/n810] > fbset-2.1/fbset Mar 20 11:06:24 sbrsh server: mount: mounting fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 on /var/sbrshd/fm@192.168.1.13/n810/ failed Mar 20 11:06:49 yeah, but when running the mount on the device? Mar 20 11:06:53 by hand Mar 20 11:07:20 and you can use debug option with sbrshd to get more detailed information Mar 20 11:07:50 Nokia-N810-42-19:~# mount -t nfs fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 /mnt/pc/ Mar 20 11:07:51 mount: mounting fm.nthcode.net:/scratchbox/users/fm/targets/n810 on /mnt/pc/ failed Mar 20 11:08:12 ok Mar 20 11:08:36 I wonder if my n810 suports nfs? Mar 20 11:11:14 it does, if you install and load nfs modules Mar 20 11:12:48 kulve: you mean I need to install nfs modules manually? Mar 20 11:14:51 morning all Mar 20 11:15:05 morning Mar 20 11:15:06 ameng: you can use wizard-mounter too Mar 20 11:15:45 b0unc3:how to do this? Mar 20 11:15:58 ameng: yep. There's .deb package for them and you need load them by hand Mar 20 11:16:00 (afaik) Mar 20 11:16:15 ameng: I've compiled a kernel of my own with built-in nfs support.. Mar 20 11:16:57 ameng: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=444 Mar 20 11:18:51 ok , thanks all of your help Mar 20 11:28:39 Hello. Is there a port of libboost to maemo 4? Mar 20 11:32:31 port or recompiled packages? Mar 20 11:32:41 ameng: mine n810 supports Mar 20 11:33:14 hrw: whatever. I need it and can't find in the official repositories. Mar 20 11:33:33 jones-: official repositories lack many things Mar 20 11:33:50 hi lardman Mar 20 11:34:06 btw - are there python-hildon bindings? Mar 20 11:34:08 hrw: so you say I should just compile that? Mar 20 11:34:26 hrw: yes, there are: check pymaemo Mar 20 11:34:49 jones-: looks like you need Mar 20 11:35:03 hrw: ok thanks. Mar 20 11:36:04 hi hi Mar 20 11:36:39 How do you set up your source.list Mar 20 11:36:52 for apt Mar 20 11:36:57 jones-: I probably can build boost for chinook but no warranty that it will work for you Mar 20 11:37:33 jones-: hi there Mar 20 11:37:57 hi kulve Mar 20 11:38:13 hrw: thanks, but no need to waste your time, I can try and do myself :) Mar 20 11:40:17 * BTobotras can't pair with bt gps :( Mar 20 12:00:16 hi Mar 20 12:04:25 hey hrw, sorry for my tardy reply Mar 20 12:05:39 lardman|meeting: ? Mar 20 12:10:59 lardman|meeting: no problem Mar 20 13:10:50 how do i get the n810 to mount the removeable instead of internal over usb on my computer Mar 20 13:13:25 it offers both of them to the computer Mar 20 13:13:34 it's up to the computer what to mount Mar 20 13:14:29 i only see one in dev Mar 20 13:15:05 maybe you are using the external card in a way that the n810 couldn't unmount it and offer it to your pc Mar 20 13:15:18 e.g. you have cd'ed to /media/mmc1 Mar 20 13:16:08 Now the keyboard language switch has been broken. Touch day... Mar 20 13:19:26 Anyone aware of the fact that application browsing doesn't work in maemo.org? Anyone wants to do something about it? Mar 20 13:21:59 What did I broke if language can be changed via "Edit" menu, but not with language button? :( Mar 20 13:39:47 hello everyone !! I would like to know if there is some away to do an upgrade on Vim in a scratchbox Mar 20 14:24:02 where can I find a howto for enabling other file systems, specificlly reiserfs (on boot ), ntfs (read only is fine) isofs and udf? I have found the modules, but need some hand holding as to how to unstall them, especially the reiserfs. Mar 20 14:24:17 on an N800 with OS 2008 Mar 20 14:26:09 if you have the .ko files, you should be able to insmod them Mar 20 14:27:10 is insmod a one time operation? I mean, once I insmod them, will I have to do it again when I reboot? Mar 20 14:27:30 One time, but you can add it to some init script Mar 20 14:29:29 so I can use regular desktop linux methots? Mar 20 14:29:45 Pretty much Mar 20 14:40:14 where should i put the modules i want ti insmod? Mar 20 14:40:23 to... Mar 20 14:42:08 hi there Mar 20 14:42:35 does anybody know how to user NFC in nokia phones that have such functionality? Mar 20 14:42:56 WorkingOnWise: usually you should put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/..../ Mar 20 14:45:40 WorkingOnWise: you might want to fetch http://sse2.net/depmod to build a modules.dep so you can use modprobe Mar 20 14:46:03 jott: thanks. Mar 20 14:46:29 hmmf. my ISO_Level5_Shift doesn't work like I think it should... Mar 20 14:46:31 I guess the normal user wouldnt need modprobe on an N800 huh? :) Mar 20 14:46:31 * jott still wonders why there is a modprobe but not a depmod on the device ;) Mar 20 14:47:06 well there is a modprobe but without modules.dep it's not very usable ;) Mar 20 14:48:19 Veggen: "WORKSFORME" - bug closed :> ..what's the problem? Mar 20 14:49:01 whar version of the kernel does OS 2008 use? the modules I have are for 2.6.21.0 Mar 20 14:49:36 WorkingOnWise: uname -r => 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 20 14:51:30 is there a way to get a real-ish sudo function on OS2008? Like I have on my Ubuntu laptop? Mar 20 14:51:55 jott: seems chr character doesn't work as level5 shift for alphanumeric chars. Mar 20 14:52:13 WorkingOnWise: its "normal" sudo - just with different settings (see /etc/sudoers) Mar 20 14:52:33 Veggen: example? Mar 20 14:52:50 I forgot to exit becomeroot. not cool.... fortunately I only ran uname -a Mar 20 14:53:27 so is it a bad idea for me to make sudo behave like it toes in Ubuntu? Mar 20 14:53:34 toes=does Mar 20 14:53:35 jott: and the order seems reversed, as compared to your examples yesterday. Mar 20 14:54:06 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: yes, just add a line like what ubuntu has Mar 20 14:54:24 WorkingOnWise: well some system scripts depend on sudo without password confirmation Mar 20 14:54:28 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: sudo is sudo, ubuntu hasone config, maemo another Mar 20 14:54:29 and then I can avoid all thei becomeroot stuff? Mar 20 14:55:03 Veggen: works fine here.. don't know what you do different :/ Mar 20 14:55:12 key { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [ odiaresis, Odiaresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, equal, equal ] }; Mar 20 14:55:44 the key gives an oslash, chr+key likewise. Mar 20 14:55:47 i already wrote - it seems field 7,8 have to match 1,2 Mar 20 14:56:06 key { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [ odiaresis, Odiaresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, odiaresis, Odiaresis ] }; Mar 20 14:56:20 don't traced exactly why :p Mar 20 14:56:29 uh? hm, I missed that. lemme try. Mar 20 14:57:56 hm. didn't seem to help. Mar 20 14:58:14 i tried the exact same line and it worked :p Mar 20 14:59:08 i.e. öÖ==øØ .. Mar 20 15:01:55 Veggen: http://pastebin.ca/raw/950365 Mar 20 15:03:51 maybe you have a syntax error in the file and it's not loaded correct Mar 20 15:06:30 mmm, any way to verify it? Mar 20 15:06:41 setxkbmap -v -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(de)" Mar 20 15:06:49 should reload it and print warnings/errors Mar 20 15:07:12 (just change (de) if you do not have a german layout :) Mar 20 15:12:00 jott: was an error, fixed, but it didn't seem to help :) Mar 20 15:12:12 maybe another error :) Mar 20 15:12:48 (like semantic not syntax :) Mar 20 15:13:20 mm, could be. I'm no xkb guru. Mar 20 15:14:02 If I want to clone my N800 and bot from a reisrfs formated sd card, I install the reiserfs modules, format my sd card with reiserfs on my laptop, put it in the N800, boot the N800 and make sure i can read/write the card. If all is well, proceed with the clone process on internettablettalk.com. am I missing something? Nothing like bricking a new work tool the 3rd dy u got it huh! lol...I'd like to avoid the brick part... :O Mar 20 15:14:37 WorkingOnWise: you have to modify initfs to boot from reiserfs Mar 20 15:15:04 WorkingOnWise: it's hard to brick it for good Mar 20 15:15:07 boy am I glad I aske! Mar 20 15:15:22 why not just use ext3? :) better rescue tools anyway ;) Mar 20 15:15:27 thats good to know! Mar 20 15:15:50 I recommend ext3 and http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs Mar 20 15:15:52 Veggen: maybe pastebin your rx-44 file.. Mar 20 15:17:41 well, reiserfs is faster for small reads, which is the bulk of what the N800 would be doing. as for recovery, I fully intend on having 2 cloned sd cards with me so recovery is about 2 minutes... Mar 20 15:18:05 is my understanding right on reiserfs vs ext3? Mar 20 15:18:38 almost everything I know on this subject is second hand, stuff I have read.. Mar 20 15:19:18 well i wonder if there are any real benchmarks for ext3/reiserfs/xfs on flash media Mar 20 15:19:36 and then there are those "how often do you need to run fsck (as in rescue tool) anyway" and "what is there to rescue to begin with" -factors Mar 20 15:22:41 WorkingOnWise, my experience is that reiserfs (i.e. reiserfs 3.5) is faster and more efficient (as in disk space) with small files but that comes with higher cpu usage Mar 20 15:24:26 wnd: compared to xfs, jfs and ext3 on embedded systems with flash media? :) Mar 20 15:24:37 you wish Mar 20 15:24:52 would be really an interesting benchmark :) Mar 20 15:24:55 jott: http://www.pastebin.ca/950384 Mar 20 15:25:06 shouldn't be a problem to pull that out Mar 20 15:25:10 its the fisenoda layout Mar 20 15:25:38 wnd: sure.. takes just some time... just do it! :) Mar 20 15:26:53 well, why not Mar 20 15:27:01 I need to recompile the kernel anyway Mar 20 15:27:57 the last time I obviously forgot something. ipv6 works just fine, but the built-in flash is unaccessable. :-) Mar 20 15:28:18 i need mplayer 25 files can someone send me now? Mar 20 15:29:35 hey italo... cant you still download stuff? Mar 20 15:31:05 Veggen: the öÖ works fine with your layout :/ Mar 20 15:31:24 hmf. how? Mar 20 15:31:39 just loaded your file :/ Mar 20 15:31:50 strange things Mar 20 15:32:19 with chr+ ? Mar 20 15:32:43 gives me this ø Mar 20 15:32:59 and chr+shift gives me Ø Mar 20 15:33:12 and keytorightofm gives ? Mar 20 15:33:20 ö Mar 20 15:34:12 and fn = Mar 20 15:34:20 just as defined :o Mar 20 15:35:18 maybe you should try to reboot and see if it helps Mar 20 15:36:04 Is someone of you sitting or working together with Kenne? Mar 20 15:45:14 qgil's post on Ari's talk made LWN Mar 20 15:50:41 jott: didn't help at all. and for me, things get reversed. i get an � with the bare key. Mar 20 15:50:51 really strange Mar 20 15:51:19 well if it is for all keys it should be fine :) Mar 20 15:52:50 nope. the bkspc and enter lines you gave me worked like yours.. Mar 20 15:53:20 sick.. Mar 20 15:53:59