**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:56 2008 Mar 22 03:10:24 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4269 Mar 22 03:10:28 that's just plain stupid. Mar 22 03:12:57 it's beyond stupid Mar 22 03:13:15 What is? Mar 22 03:13:33 yeah. it's stupid and expensive. Mar 22 03:13:36 open the link Mar 22 03:13:38 and shiny. Mar 22 03:15:04 link? Mar 22 03:15:13 -_- Mar 22 03:15:25 KotCzarny: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4269 Mar 22 03:15:42 Oh, I have that guy on /ignore Mar 22 03:15:59 ah Mar 22 03:16:24 actually i think http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4276 is a better idea Mar 22 03:16:31 Power rings! Mar 22 03:17:16 lcuk: boobs in hand are better than silicon on paper Mar 22 03:17:17 :> Mar 22 03:17:57 good point, and they have been dualcore for a while as well Mar 22 03:18:18 dualcore? Mar 22 03:18:19 * GeneralAntilles high-fives Navi. Mar 22 03:18:21 o.O Mar 22 03:22:02 am i safe using "/usr/share/fonts/nokia/nosnb.ttf" as a default font for 99.9999% of nokia 8x0s? at least for now Mar 22 03:22:22 I'm assuming that's one of the ones that's bundled? Mar 22 03:22:31 Personally, I'm a fan of the Sans font they bundle. Mar 22 03:22:34 define 'safe' Mar 22 03:22:45 yer - saves me trying to mess around finding a free one to include Mar 22 03:22:51 you should use osso provided aliases Mar 22 03:22:56 'safe' = included in most systems Mar 22 03:22:59 bitstream Mar 22 03:23:01 if you want to play safe Mar 22 03:23:02 :) Mar 22 03:23:15 i couldnt find sans Mar 22 03:23:19 i dont think its a ttf Mar 22 03:23:29 i mean gtk provided Mar 22 03:23:52 its only as a proof of concept Mar 22 03:24:23 there should be an alias for sans, sansserif and mono Mar 22 03:24:33 or something Mar 22 03:24:48 that's why they are not in the fs Mar 22 03:24:55 well since up until half hour ago i was using arial.ttf i think what i have now is better Mar 22 03:25:04 :> Mar 22 03:25:31 and most of the os2008 images are the same Mar 22 03:25:39 so yes, you're reasonably safe Mar 22 03:25:40 :) Mar 22 03:25:45 We'd've lynched you for that. Mar 22 03:26:07 no you wouldnt, i could never include it and post it anywhere - its bad form Mar 22 03:26:32 Arial is an abomination. Mar 22 03:26:37 you can make it download from sf.net Mar 22 03:26:38 :> Mar 22 03:27:05 (in postinstall script) Mar 22 03:28:15 bye Mar 22 03:28:55 zZZzZZ.. Mar 22 03:32:53 time to sleep :) nite all Mar 22 03:32:58 go go Mar 22 03:32:59 :) Mar 22 04:22:07 hi Mar 22 04:25:36 So, anybody thought up an easy answer to help newbies format corrupt internal memory on the N810 when they can't disable swap? Mar 22 04:37:45 what the hell do i have to do to share my music from rhythmbox to canola via daap? Mar 22 04:38:01 Wait for the UPnP plugin? Mar 22 04:38:43 doesn't canola2 do daap? Mar 22 04:39:47 The plugin is still in testing. Mar 22 04:40:13 and i want to test it :) Mar 22 04:40:27 Go petition the INdT guys. :P Mar 22 04:40:42 crap Mar 22 04:41:02 no upnp support either? Mar 22 04:41:40 Not until the plugin is out. Mar 22 04:42:56 jeesus they spent so much time to make it shiny.. with dynamic scrolling and shit Mar 22 04:43:31 so, any other daap or upnp client available? Mar 22 04:43:46 shackan, just be glad you have something to play with. Mar 22 04:44:28 If you want to HELP, evidently this is the place to go: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=138&type=g Mar 22 04:44:45 (the default player speas upnp but forces to listen one album at a time) Mar 22 04:45:00 Media streamer might work. Mar 22 04:50:51 hahaha mediastreamer is not installable Mar 22 05:03:43 hmm Mar 22 05:03:50 hmm Mar 22 05:03:58 this stowaway kb works beautifully withj my n-gage Mar 22 05:04:14 on n800 bt powersaving probably fscks up key delay Mar 22 05:04:21 or is it? Mar 22 05:04:22 side-talking? Mar 22 05:04:36 right now kb testing Mar 22 05:04:45 and response is brilliant Mar 22 05:04:55 but on n800 it's laggy Mar 22 05:05:12 happens to every bt kb Mar 22 05:05:37 at some stage I read somewhere that the bluez bt stack was to blame Mar 22 05:05:42 hum Mar 22 05:05:59 is there any remedy? Mar 22 05:06:39 not that I know of Mar 22 05:07:54 did you know that blue-fn + left/right space maps to left/right soft-keys? Mar 22 05:07:55 :> Mar 22 05:08:05 (on symbian) Mar 22 05:08:47 ever had a symbian device Mar 22 05:08:53 :P Mar 22 05:08:58 no nokia phones? Mar 22 05:08:59 :P Mar 22 05:09:43 last nokia I had was a no camera, bw screen 50$ thing Mar 22 05:09:44 >.> Mar 22 05:09:59 my n-gage is 50$ thing too Mar 22 05:10:00 ;) Mar 22 05:10:10 no camera too Mar 22 05:28:29 hum Mar 22 05:28:42 but while running a game it sucks. Mar 22 05:28:50 i wonder why Mar 22 05:29:12 maybe game renices itself above everything else Mar 22 05:29:14 KotCzarny u have n-gage cool! Mar 22 05:29:41 i wanted to buya n81 or n95 8gb but finally i prefer n80 Mar 22 05:29:53 i like all n0gage games Mar 22 05:30:02 and still playing with my n6670 Mar 22 05:31:24 morning guys (here) Mar 22 05:37:15 Tax experts: can I deduct my internet costs, since that's the cost of job searching? Mar 22 05:37:45 And suppose I'm job searching on a regular basis.. can I deduct my internet costs for the year? Mar 22 06:24:57 http://farookh.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1F807D7A703B5B1E!999.entry Mar 22 06:24:58 lol Mar 22 06:35:13 I just discovered how we can deduct the cost of a NIT on our taxes Mar 22 06:35:55 Install garnet VM, along w/ TCassist (http://www.getjar.com/products/2033/TCAssist), and use the NIT at work to keep track of time to charge Mar 22 06:39:54 isn't tcassist for palmos? Mar 22 06:40:24 yes, that's why i said garnetvm Mar 22 06:40:34 ahm, ok Mar 22 06:40:49 i thought it's some javavm Mar 22 06:41:16 garnet is basically the alias for palmos Mar 22 06:41:22 :) Mar 22 06:49:35 gnuSnob, lol Mar 22 06:51:16 You should hear about my job searching write off I have planned for next year Mar 22 06:51:27 I found out job hunting is tax deductible Mar 22 06:51:57 which includes "Travel expenses, including out-of-town job-hunting trips." Mar 22 06:52:12 have you actually used it? Mar 22 06:52:25 So the plan is to search for my next Ada job in the bahama's Mar 22 06:52:41 what, tcassist? Yeah, I use that on my palm tx Mar 22 06:52:48 I have not tried tcassist on the NIT yet Mar 22 06:52:53 no, tax deductions Mar 22 06:53:09 yeah, I itemize my deductions Mar 22 06:53:26 I've not itemized job searching expenses before though Mar 22 06:53:30 how much tiy managed to deduct? Mar 22 06:53:37 *you Mar 22 06:53:54 I have no idea off the top of my head.. but certainly more than the standard deduction Mar 22 06:54:04 1k$? Mar 22 06:54:06 :) Mar 22 06:54:18 The tax software interviews, and decides whether it makes sense to itemize Mar 22 06:54:38 Actually, I've deducted a heck of a lot Mar 22 06:54:45 ~$10k when I was taking pilot lessons Mar 22 06:55:02 pilot lessons? Mar 22 06:55:03 lol Mar 22 06:55:20 for flying single engine planes Mar 22 06:56:03 buy a plane and deduct it as a 'travel expense' Mar 22 06:56:04 All that flight instruction is deductible, if it helps your ability to do your job Mar 22 06:56:05 :> Mar 22 06:56:26 no, not that.. I haven't tried that yet.. I still have to figure out how to pull that off Mar 22 06:56:39 * pupnik peers into the crystal ball Mar 22 06:56:46 "i see... an audit!" Mar 22 06:56:58 :) Mar 22 06:57:04 I'll need to move 51 miles away from work, and commute to work in the plane Mar 22 06:57:19 Then I can deduct it Mar 22 06:57:36 Hopefully I don't have to stop for coffee on the way Mar 22 06:57:37 commuting sucks. Mar 22 06:59:20 Not sure yet how to deduct SallyD. It would be nice to be able to work that angle Mar 22 07:00:37 offtopic, animated gif viewer for linux? Mar 22 07:01:39 firefox Mar 22 07:01:58 too big Mar 22 07:02:32 well, it's open source, so you just have to strip out what you don't need Mar 22 07:02:32 though i was writing media server app in php Mar 22 07:03:10 it would be faster to hack in gif animation to existing image viewer than to strip firefox Mar 22 07:03:34 Yeah.. i was just being difficult Mar 22 07:04:03 imagemagick might work Mar 22 07:04:24 that comes standard w/ most distros Mar 22 07:04:59 does it vome with viewer? Mar 22 07:05:05 yeah Mar 22 07:05:09 name? Mar 22 07:05:17 just type "display " Mar 22 07:05:41 let's see how it handles animated gifs Mar 22 07:06:10 badly. Mar 22 07:06:52 yeah, it's not that great.. it's terrible for porno Mar 22 07:07:13 i wonder.. Mar 22 07:07:19 let's try mplayer Mar 22 07:07:19 ;) Mar 22 07:07:29 wow Mar 22 07:07:30 worked Mar 22 07:07:31 lol Mar 22 07:07:46 now, let's see if it has autorepeat Mar 22 07:08:35 try gqview Mar 22 07:08:39 that comes with RH Mar 22 07:09:03 no love for a-gifs Mar 22 07:09:20 (in gqview) Mar 22 07:12:02 mplayer -loop 0 Mar 22 07:12:12 though it resets itself between cycles Mar 22 07:12:13 hum Mar 22 07:12:49 pupnik, hey, do you know how to utilize the pixel doubler in sdl? Mar 22 07:13:19 in specific cases, yes Mar 22 07:13:46 in others, i have not been successful Mar 22 07:14:00 isn't it just a simple link and one sdl command? Mar 22 07:14:27 the history of the problems are documented in the maemo-developers mailing list Mar 22 07:14:34 s/are/is Mar 22 07:14:47 i will believe you then Mar 22 07:14:54 Mmm Mar 22 07:14:59 i have tried it just once Mar 22 07:15:01 i haven't looked into it in os2008 Mar 22 07:15:02 and it worked Mar 22 07:15:09 so for me it's 100% success rate Mar 22 07:15:10 :) Mar 22 07:15:55 basically, it broke when the app updated many small rectangles on screen, instead of one big one Mar 22 07:16:14 hum Mar 22 07:16:19 yeah, I just saw that on the wiki Mar 22 07:16:52 I actually should of looked at the wiki first Mar 22 07:18:27 ass Mar 22 07:19:19 that wiki page hasn't had many contributions from qualified programmers Mar 22 07:19:41 pupnik: have you tried using mplayer as a picture viewer? Mar 22 07:19:42 heh, I'll check the mailing list after I wake up Mar 22 07:20:01 KotCzarny: no quiver is my viewer of choice Mar 22 07:20:03 I'm pretty tired at the moment Mar 22 07:20:06 does it work? Mar 22 07:20:12 i don't know Mar 22 07:20:20 i'm looking for something for animated gifs Mar 22 07:20:39 and mplayer looks very promising Mar 22 07:21:13 if only i will be able to convince it to show only one frame for some time i could use it for other formats too Mar 22 07:22:47 * pupnik gives kupesoft a kupo nut Mar 22 07:22:52 :) Mar 22 07:23:02 quoi? Mar 22 07:23:08 lol Mar 22 07:23:20 ? Mar 22 07:24:51 Mog, the most famous moogle of all, only had one appearance in Final Fantasy VII - In the mini-game "Mog House", in the arcade. All you had to do was feed him kupo nuts until it said "That's enough". Then Mog could fly and win the affections of the girl-moogle of his dreams. Mar 22 07:25:27 yah. Mar 22 07:25:35 and you get 30qp for it Mar 22 07:25:40 That's a bot, right? Mar 22 07:25:41 :) Mar 22 07:25:55 kupesoft: wrong. you should answer: kupo! Mar 22 07:25:58 :) Mar 22 07:26:06 right! :) Mar 22 07:26:45 hmm. mplayer -loop 0 -fixed-vo mf://your.jpg Mar 22 07:26:55 now how can i make pause on the first frame Mar 22 07:26:56 ;) Mar 22 07:27:31 hah. Mar 22 07:27:40 mplayer -idle -fixed-vo mf://your.jpg Mar 22 07:27:42 :> Mar 22 07:28:02 add -zoom -fs and you get your picture viewer Mar 22 07:28:03 :>>> Mar 22 07:29:21 hehe Mar 22 07:29:51 and mplayer's swscaler is decent Mar 22 07:29:53 :) Mar 22 07:30:00 there's no decent comic book viewer (packed image list) yet afaik Mar 22 07:30:23 Comix is decent Mar 22 07:33:36 anyways, 'night Mar 22 07:35:23 have some of u purchased wayfinder.. Mar 22 07:36:40 Cheers Navi Mar 22 07:36:56 comix unpacks the whole archive before displaying a picture - not the right way to do it Mar 22 07:37:07 :> Mar 22 07:37:15 vfs to the rescue? Mar 22 07:37:20 avfs Mar 22 07:38:18 this way you can use quiver or even included image viewer i think Mar 22 07:38:39 yup Mar 22 07:43:29 http://sourceforge.net/projects/libungif Mar 22 07:43:32 wtf? Mar 22 07:45:18 Work on libungif has been halted due to the expiration of the patent on LZW. giflib continues to have bugfixes and patches merged. As part of this work, the sourceforge project has been renamed from libungif to giflib. Mar 22 07:45:18 Mar 22 07:45:21 ah, ok Mar 22 07:45:22 :) Mar 22 07:54:47 pupnik: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/Viewers/ Mar 22 07:54:48 :) Mar 22 07:55:35 http://gtkmmviewer.sourceforge.net/scrshot.html.en Mar 22 07:55:39 this one is interesting Mar 22 08:53:23 morning Mar 22 09:03:55 yup. Mar 22 09:04:18 gimageview is my new images/videos (pre)viewer of choice Mar 22 09:14:56 are there many apps on https://garage.maemo.org which arent on downloads.maemo.org ? Mar 22 09:15:06 probably Mar 22 09:15:06 it seems that i miss a lot of apps ^^ Mar 22 09:15:22 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/powerlaunch/ thats the first time i read about this Mar 22 09:17:21 im searching somehing like an application launcher on the desktop Mar 22 09:17:26 for os2008 Mar 22 09:17:57 and i want to remove the community button on the left sidebar, with email, voip etc Mar 22 09:18:15 :) Mar 22 09:18:23 for that you will have to install something Mar 22 09:18:27 i forgot the name Mar 22 09:18:32 menu-toolbar? Mar 22 09:18:36 something like this Mar 22 09:19:41 i found powerlaunch, idea and jack Mar 22 09:20:55 and personal-menu Mar 22 09:21:07 yeah, that's the name Mar 22 09:21:08 :) Mar 22 09:21:35 btw, why can't i freely move apps to another menu? Mar 22 09:21:47 yup Mar 22 09:22:00 aquarius-, go to control panel Mar 22 09:23:13 yeah, Panels, Applications, Organize Mar 22 09:23:31 but i can't move all apps to another menu, only some Mar 22 09:23:46 and generally only from/to extras and the my choice one Mar 22 09:23:46 that's a bug Mar 22 09:23:48 you can Mar 22 09:23:57 i usually change to another menu and back Mar 22 09:24:00 and then try again Mar 22 09:24:04 oh Mar 22 09:24:06 hm Mar 22 09:24:09 just keep trying Mar 22 09:24:10 :) Mar 22 09:24:18 myeah, i gave up eventually :) Mar 22 09:24:46 partly because there's no room for a Multimedia menu in the main menu without having to scroll anyway Mar 22 09:25:16 choose favourite 5 and put other below Mar 22 09:25:20 :) Mar 22 09:25:52 aquatix, no. i created many menus and changed the location of many icons - really ^^ Mar 22 09:26:38 i have 8 menus Mar 22 09:26:47 the last one is the "notNeeded" ;D Mar 22 09:27:13 :) Mar 22 09:27:28 i have online, games, system, office, multimedia, OnTheRoad, Extras, NotNeeded Mar 22 09:27:39 myeah, but when you exceed the 6, it starts to scroll, so only 5 are visible Mar 22 09:27:50 you can make notneeded a subset of the 6th menu Mar 22 09:27:52 yes, thats right Mar 22 09:27:53 and i don't like that in the main menu Mar 22 09:28:02 ah, submenu Mar 22 09:28:03 ie. get 5 apps on the top that you will actually use Mar 22 09:28:04 idea Mar 22 09:28:05 :) Mar 22 09:28:23 oh Mar 22 09:28:30 i want to remove this damn community menu Mar 22 09:28:36 i dont need any of this apps Mar 22 09:28:38 meh, no submenu possible, only order Mar 22 09:30:14 someone used powerlaunch? its sounds dangeraous Mar 22 09:30:21 :) Mar 22 09:30:24 "replaces the systemui Mar 22 09:30:29 it's nice Mar 22 09:30:32 i dont want to damage my sists Mar 22 09:30:34 system Mar 22 09:30:39 you won't Mar 22 09:30:41 probably Mar 22 09:30:54 *g* Mar 22 09:31:14 i know this from themes, which destroyed my maemo. i never touch new themes. damnit Mar 22 09:31:25 :> Mar 22 09:31:37 erm Mar 22 09:31:43 gtk themes destroyed maemo? Mar 22 09:31:48 wtf :) Mar 22 09:31:52 there's always backup :) Mar 22 09:32:03 which doesn't completely work? Mar 22 09:32:03 it was a startrack themes for os2007 Mar 22 09:32:06 does canola2 support Vorbis? Mar 22 09:32:13 probably Mar 22 09:32:15 :> Mar 22 09:32:22 AStorm, no Mar 22 09:32:22 AStorm: iirc, yes Mar 22 09:32:25 oh Mar 22 09:32:32 eichi is more right ;) Mar 22 09:32:38 drat! Mar 22 09:32:49 AStorm, i useUKMP and kagu for this Mar 22 09:32:52 any more all-purpose player? Mar 22 09:32:59 the built-in one? Mar 22 09:33:06 with ogg-support Mar 22 09:33:15 aquatix: doesn't suuport video ok Mar 22 09:33:44 AStorm, kagu works stable and is nice, UKMP is the nicest, but somethimes is slows down and the sound is strange, you have to restart maemo, that sucks Mar 22 09:33:55 use kagu Mar 22 09:33:58 astorm: gimageview Mar 22 09:33:58 :> Mar 22 09:34:02 i have ogg music only to Mar 22 09:34:19 i have found this gem today Mar 22 09:34:32 and i'll probably try to port it soon Mar 22 09:34:32 :) Mar 22 09:34:52 i installed powerlaunch, and now?! Mar 22 09:35:00 KotCzarny: that supports audio playback? Mar 22 09:35:00 reboot? Mar 22 09:35:20 astorm: can use mplayer as a slave Mar 22 09:35:29 and has 'add by extension' Mar 22 09:35:34 so probably yes Mar 22 09:35:39 but haven't tried yet Mar 22 09:35:52 what is softpoweroff? Mar 22 09:35:58 ive installed gstreamer-0.10-ivorbis plugin Mar 22 09:36:14 still no ogg support in the default player Mar 22 09:36:30 maybe i have to restart something? Mar 22 09:36:43 eichi, easier to get into and out of lock-mode. Mar 22 09:37:04 blahblah Mar 22 09:37:07 AStorm, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ Mar 22 09:37:14 button is easy enough Mar 22 09:37:27 GeneralAntilles, ah okay, i got it. i thought, this was another thing ;) Mar 22 09:38:39 was is "mce" which is replaced now? Mar 22 09:38:58 and was is "softpoweroff" Mar 22 09:39:31 eichi, easier to get into and out of lock-mode. Mar 22 09:39:31 maybe after i install that, canola will detect vorbis Mar 22 09:39:44 it uses gst after all Mar 22 09:42:08 have to remove ivorbis for it Mar 22 09:48:39 "unable to install" Mar 22 09:48:55 i'll retry after a reboot Mar 22 09:48:55 time to bed. night people Mar 22 09:48:56 :) Mar 22 09:48:58 brb Mar 22 09:49:25 KotCzarny: good night Mar 22 09:49:42 qwerty12: have you tried kcbatt 0.2.4? Mar 22 09:49:43 ;) Mar 22 09:50:19 I have it installed :P. I havn't really tried it yet though. My N800 is charging atm Mar 22 09:50:32 charging mode is updated too Mar 22 09:50:34 :) Mar 22 09:50:39 Don't get me wrong though, I really appricate your work :) Mar 22 09:50:41 Ok :) Mar 22 09:51:00 so it gets quite meaningfull output :) Mar 22 09:51:33 I like it, I just tried it :) Mar 22 09:51:37 Thanks :) Mar 22 09:51:38 :) Mar 22 09:51:53 np. it has some testing params added Mar 22 09:52:11 so you can try tweaking it :) Mar 22 09:52:16 without recompiling Mar 22 09:52:22 Ok :) Mar 22 09:52:28 I have it added to personal menu Mar 22 09:52:35 :) Mar 22 09:53:07 ok, sleep time Mar 22 09:53:15 lol, good night :D Mar 22 09:54:59 KotCzarny: g'night :) Mar 22 09:57:48 Just curious, does N800 have TI BRF6150 bluetooth chip? Mar 22 10:11:52 http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/22/screen-grabs-nokia-n770-lives-free-dies-hard/ Mar 22 10:15:18 "Usually I am not a grammar/spelling nazi" grammar nazi, is this common? Mar 22 10:15:20 sounds evil Mar 22 10:15:40 grammar nazi is quite common Mar 22 10:15:58 no idea why it's that though Mar 22 10:16:05 distribution of godwins too Mar 22 10:44:46 has anyone tried using bookmarklets in the microb browser? Mar 22 10:56:48 christefano: no but I see no reason why they shouldn't work Mar 22 10:57:06 I'm having trouble getting supergenpass to work Mar 22 10:57:58 it's a bookmarklet that generates passwords based on a hash of a master password and the TLD of a site one tries to log in to Mar 22 10:58:03 http://supergenpass.com Mar 22 11:00:40 is there a way to trigger a bookmarklet without opening the Bookmarks window? Mar 22 11:00:49 ok, so which media player that supports all media do you recommend? Mar 22 11:01:30 ah, and a tagging program Mar 22 11:04:15 hmm? Mar 22 11:04:43 For pc or internet tablet? Mar 22 11:06:01 for chinook Mar 22 11:06:43 ok, there are only really 1. mplayer is the best (the only, except counting a odd port of vlc) and audio tag tool Mar 22 11:07:10 yeah, but mplayer has crummy interface Mar 22 11:07:26 some frontend supporting media library? Mar 22 11:07:34 canola uses mplayer to play videos Mar 22 11:07:46 yup Mar 22 11:07:52 but not for audio Mar 22 11:08:02 thus doesn't support ogg Mar 22 11:08:08 can't list it Mar 22 11:08:21 Oh right. Hmm Mar 22 11:08:28 although default media player sees them Mar 22 11:08:41 You can use ogg support package. There are now 2. Mar 22 11:08:44 making canola support it would be best Mar 22 11:08:49 They work with built in media player Mar 22 11:08:51 I have that Mar 22 11:09:00 but built-in is junk Mar 22 11:09:15 canola actually uses the built in player to play audio Mar 22 11:09:16 and i still need a tagging tool Mar 22 11:09:22 no Mar 22 11:09:24 I guess it is a matter of adding ogg display support Mar 22 11:09:32 it uses gstreamer directly Mar 22 11:09:38 yep Mar 22 11:09:55 oh, my bad - but I thought ogg support adds ogg gstreamer plugins? Mar 22 11:10:23 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/audiotagtool/ - this is the only one Mar 22 11:10:25 afaik Mar 22 11:10:29 works for ogg & mp3 Mar 22 11:12:00 mhm, good Mar 22 11:12:05 cli? Mar 22 11:12:10 hildonised Mar 22 11:12:12 gui. Mar 22 11:12:52 qwerty12: have you tested the ntfs module in kernel? is it really read/write nowadays? Mar 22 11:12:53 I use OGG with Canola Mar 22 11:12:58 yeah! Mar 22 11:13:12 megabyte405: what do i have to install? Mar 22 11:13:16 solmumaha: you're wanting NTFS-3g - google it, it is read/write Mar 22 11:13:19 solmumaha: I haven't sorry, I'm more curious Mar 22 11:13:23 added some ogg-support package Mar 22 11:13:28 AStorm: not sure, I think ogg-support package Mar 22 11:13:30 solmumaha ported it :D Mar 22 11:13:34 @megabyte Mar 22 11:13:35 have that Mar 22 11:13:43 and it doesn't work? Mar 22 11:13:54 then you have the wrong ogg support package Mar 22 11:14:27 maybe Mar 22 11:15:14 let me tell you which one Mar 22 11:15:40 solmumaha: "There is partial, but │ Mar 22 11:15:41 │ safe, write support available. " Hmm, I think ntfs-3g is better. Sorry Mar 22 11:15:57 Thomas Kulve's repo Mar 22 11:16:13 AStorm: sorry, but that won't help. I got OGG stuff working really easily a long time ago, and so I have no idea how I did it Mar 22 11:16:16 and that doesn't work for canola2 Mar 22 11:16:33 Pretty sure I just picked Ogg Support from either Maemo Garage or Maemo Downloads Mar 22 11:16:33 check from which repo Mar 22 11:16:42 I tend not to futz with my repos Mar 22 11:16:42 probably that one Mar 22 11:16:48 <|zeus|> morning Mar 22 11:16:48 <|zeus|> i have strange problem with new n810 Mar 22 11:16:55 morning Mar 22 11:17:01 <|zeus|> package manager wants release.gpg files Mar 22 11:17:02 use less pipe chars in nick Mar 22 11:17:20 <|zeus|> but it can't fetch it from pre-installed repos Mar 22 11:17:23 easier to type :P Mar 22 11:17:55 500 http://tuomas.kulve.fi bora/maemo Packages Mar 22 11:17:56 zeus: reflash with newer OS2008 Mar 22 11:18:17 megabyte405: I have them for chinook Mar 22 11:18:31 <|zeus|> AStorm: already reflashed Mar 22 11:18:35 <|zeus|> same problem Mar 22 11:18:37 hmmm Mar 22 11:18:37 AStorm: like I said, no idea, can't help then. Was jsut offering my experience Mar 22 11:18:56 worked here... might be your onnection or proxy Mar 22 11:19:15 <|zeus|> 2.2007.51-3 Mar 22 11:19:35 zeus, same here Mar 22 11:19:45 <|zeus|> i can't find release.gpg files in repos manual using firefox too Mar 22 11:19:48 megabyte405: thanks anyway Mar 22 11:19:57 np Mar 22 11:20:00 <|zeus|> AStorm: which repos are you using? Mar 22 11:20:05 okay, so I take it nobody has been using bookmarklets with microb? Mar 22 11:21:23 zeus, worked with default ones Mar 22 11:21:50 chris___: well, maybe some shortcut? Mar 22 11:22:14 christefano: ^ Mar 22 11:22:50 <|zeus|> AStorm: and it doesn't want Release.gpg? Mar 22 11:23:01 AStorm: in particular I'm looking for a way to use http://supergenpass.com Mar 22 11:23:15 zeus, no errors Mar 22 11:24:49 zeus, go vegetarian! Mar 22 11:29:45 * pupnik stares blankly at unfinished projects Mar 22 11:30:25 hmm, mogg doesn't want to install Mar 22 11:30:29 missing pkgs Mar 22 11:30:51 You need all the debs from the garage page Mar 22 11:31:01 May just be easier to use dpkg on them Mar 22 11:31:49 which page? Mar 22 11:31:50 What's a good linux utility to generate fun characters like -> Mar 22 11:32:27 gucharmap? Mar 22 11:32:32 AStorm:https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=130 Mar 22 11:32:44 check the mogg IT OS 2008 section Mar 22 11:32:46 I press AltGr+3 for that Mar 22 11:33:42 aww, no s-c-u... input on the tablet Mar 22 11:33:54 granted that would be a bit cokebottlish Mar 22 11:34:52 you can change the layout Mar 22 11:35:23 funny that non-working mogg is in extras Mar 22 11:39:58 mispelled repo lol Mar 22 11:40:45 OS 2008 is very stylish than os2007 Mar 22 11:41:31 I like the OS2007 default theme more though Mar 22 11:41:53 Actually, I have the OS2007 rootfs mounted on Ubuntu, may as well look around Mar 22 11:42:52 oh lol Mar 22 11:42:58 the OS2007 theme is available for 2008 Mar 22 11:43:02 it is another opinion Mar 22 11:43:08 calledc glasser afaicr Mar 22 11:43:51 AStorm: Ok, thanks, I'll look around :) Mar 22 11:44:37 in the defaukt install too Mar 22 11:44:47 default even Mar 22 11:45:04 need some ecc on typed text Mar 22 11:45:07 :P Mar 22 11:45:32 Oh my bad. sorry, I meant this theme: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1214/1026756333_bc3aabfeae.jpg Mar 22 11:47:44 You LIKE Adria?! Mar 22 11:48:04 Hell yea, it's peng-a-leng :p Mar 22 11:48:15 I just saw it now on my screen Mar 22 11:48:33 Every single bundled theme in every ITOS release prior to OS2008 sucked. Mar 22 11:48:35 Totally. Mar 22 11:49:14 I never used OS2007, my N800 was flashed to OS2008 as soon as I recieved it. I just like it, I'm feeling nostalgic for something I haven't used :P Mar 22 11:49:38 * GeneralAntilles shivers. Mar 22 11:49:46 The OS2006 themes were horrifying. Mar 22 11:49:54 heehe Mar 22 11:50:00 The OS2005 ones were at least mildly subdued. Mar 22 11:50:17 But OS2006 was a close cousin to some sort of primary color hell. Mar 22 11:50:48 damn i have the IDEA preferences on the desktop and cant close the window now!!! Mar 22 11:50:51 * qwerty12 counts me to be lucky I wasn't around then :p :D Mar 22 11:51:11 If anybody has a Publix grocery store in their vicinity, they're selling a GE USB adaptor kit for $4 that has a Mini A to female A adaptor for host-mode. Mar 22 11:51:22 ty for the tip AStorm Mar 22 11:51:31 reboot for mogg needed... Mar 22 11:51:35 Thank goodness for NuvoPearl and Plankton. Mar 22 11:51:35 brb Mar 22 11:51:56 * qwerty12 googles publix Mar 22 11:52:07 how can i close this windows now Mar 22 11:52:16 Have you tried back key? Mar 22 11:52:37 lol thats it, thanks Mar 22 11:52:49 hehe, it worked, I've never used IDEA :p :D Mar 22 11:53:12 qwerty12, best grocery store evar. Mar 22 11:53:36 They have randomly awesome deals on weird computer accessories. Mar 22 11:53:42 sniff, I don't think they will be in London :( Mar 22 11:53:44 Like 12' USB cables for $3 Mar 22 11:53:52 Or card readers for $8 Mar 22 11:53:57 Wow Mar 22 11:54:06 £1.50 is too cheap Mar 22 11:57:05 no luck with canola Mar 22 11:57:57 AStorm: I think INdT are working on it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13668 Mar 22 11:58:18 "working" lol Mar 22 11:58:37 can't they just use gnome-vfs for file detection? Mar 22 11:59:02 or just try to read every file with gstreamer instead of being smartass? Mar 22 12:01:48 probably reinstalling canola will help Mar 22 12:11:10 morning Mar 22 12:12:17 no, midday Mar 22 12:12:47 middag Mar 22 12:13:03 woot, new beta of canola Mar 22 12:14:24 * lcuk_2 hates losing things Mar 22 12:16:11 then add rfids to them :P Mar 22 12:16:27 and some reader to your N8x0 Mar 22 12:18:13 not a bad idea actually Mar 22 12:18:39 the problem is - it was my 810 itself that went missing :S Mar 22 12:18:48 Ha Mar 22 12:18:48 Fail. Mar 22 12:19:06 :) Mar 22 12:19:07 not really, it was my missus Mar 22 12:19:51 Sure, sure. Mar 22 12:20:45 yer i leave it plugged in last thing every night next to the bed - it seems to have a mind of its own though and ends up on missuses side Mar 22 12:20:54 Hehe Mar 22 12:20:57 You need to buy her one. Mar 22 12:21:14 shes got her own machine -its just not as portable as this one Mar 22 12:22:32 mwhaha Mar 22 12:22:49 yeah , Nokias are attracted to women Mar 22 12:22:55 work like magnets Mar 22 12:22:57 * lcuk_2 . o O ( how do i make a cradle for a desktop with a crt ? ) Mar 22 12:23:20 Maybe not like magnets. Mar 22 12:23:25 My 770 only got me one number. :P Mar 22 12:23:32 no no Mar 22 12:23:40 the Ns are attracted Mar 22 12:23:42 yer and that was flirt or divert Mar 22 12:23:48 not the girls to you Mar 22 12:24:29 :P, lcuk_2. Mar 22 12:24:33 how is tab completion Mar 22 12:24:39 turned on in the terminal? Mar 22 12:24:49 nokias are like little children - they need constant attention and teaching and automatically home into the breast Mar 22 12:25:03 os2008 console does completion Mar 22 12:25:05 hahaha Mar 22 12:26:49 hey, it does. I wonder why it wasn't working before Mar 22 12:28:02 completion is a bit funny sometimes (or so i think) it wont complete things you know are there until after you get past certain breaks Mar 22 12:28:07 still no ogg :/ Mar 22 12:28:40 ah. okay Mar 22 12:33:38 hmm, had anyone got vorbis working in canola? Mar 22 12:48:42 canola youtube plugin FTW Mar 22 12:51:46 that works Mar 22 12:51:57 but still no vorbis! Mar 22 12:52:03 i need it!!!11 Mar 22 12:52:07 :P Mar 22 12:54:42 n800 has too crappy sound anyways so mp3 will do Mar 22 12:58:06 I doubt the choice of vorbis in this case had to do with quality Mar 22 12:58:35 Cptnodegard, the earbuds are pretty good Mar 22 12:59:34 fmopl synth on DSP would speed up dosbox 2x Mar 22 13:00:08 wish it were easier to do Mar 22 13:00:12 Cptnodegard: no, i won't be reencoding my collection Mar 22 13:00:22 and, earbuds are shit Mar 22 13:00:34 i have better phones Mar 22 13:04:46 i got a shitload of phones, doesnt help the fundamental fact its not as good as a dedicated mp3 player. unless you have somethign crappy like an ipod Mar 22 13:07:50 nah, it's close to my irivier T20 Mar 22 13:08:02 and that has excellent sound quality Mar 22 13:09:48 about 90 dB dynamics, much less aliasiing than it too at freqs other than 44100 hz Mar 22 13:11:13 hi, I've got the last Canola Beta 7 version with YouTube plugin, I want to save flash video in an other places of internal memory system, what can I do ? Mar 22 13:12:14 use a symlink Mar 22 13:12:28 read the thread at ITT Mar 22 13:12:33 i A/B'ed the n800 and my cowon d2 just this morning on beyerdynamic dt770 phones. the n800 isnt bad, but it lacks both soundstage, low frequency response and detail compared to the d2 Mar 22 13:13:35 C2 cheats :) Mar 22 13:13:46 check it vs real audio Mar 22 13:13:52 it has some dsp Mar 22 13:14:28 it indeed lacks a bit of dynamic range Mar 22 13:14:34 but that's all Mar 22 13:15:11 * GeneralAntilles prefers his Axiom bookshelves. Mar 22 13:15:16 hehe Mar 22 13:16:05 if the d2 sounds better i dont care if it cheats :p it was on flat EQ and no BBE enhancements Mar 22 13:16:17 low frequencies are all right here Mar 22 13:16:32 no changes, that is Mar 22 13:17:01 (ofc tested with my cheap HD497 on hans) Mar 22 13:17:08 *hand Mar 22 13:17:29 i got a A/B switch, so i can connect two devices to the same headphones, play the same song simultaneousely and switch back and from. easier to detect differences that way Mar 22 13:18:47 bbe is still around? Mar 22 13:18:55 i bought their first sonix maximizer Mar 22 13:19:01 well, my switch is digital :) Mar 22 13:19:05 i would love the n800 to sound as good as the alternative, but thats just not the case Mar 22 13:19:09 yeah BBE is around Mar 22 13:19:12 hehe Mar 22 13:19:18 cowon use their technology on mp3 players Mar 22 13:19:30 my aureon 7.1 space doesn't agree Mar 22 13:19:34 man i used to run everything through that thing Mar 22 13:19:55 tested vs best libmad, 24bit Mar 22 13:19:55 did some RMA tests on bbe vs EQ and the results are rather happyface Mar 22 13:20:20 hm, RMA on N810 would be fun Mar 22 13:20:34 don't know how to do that though Mar 22 13:20:34 indeed Mar 22 13:20:42 sorry what is RMA? Mar 22 13:20:50 all you need is a sound card with line in, a cable, and the program Mar 22 13:20:54 RightMark Audio test Mar 22 13:21:04 rightmark audio analyzer Mar 22 13:21:18 ty Mar 22 13:21:20 I have one... buthow to make N810 play the test? Mar 22 13:21:21 it measure the frequency response of audio sources Mar 22 13:21:37 RMA spits out some files (wav) that you put on the n810 Mar 22 13:21:39 and IMD, THD+N Mar 22 13:21:45 hmm :) Mar 22 13:22:18 so you didn't get horrid results from headphone jack? Mar 22 13:22:26 I'd expect about 90dB, no or slight IMD Mar 22 13:22:44 im expecting some noticable crossover Mar 22 13:22:47 when i got my N810 i had a lot of distortion - like a broken speaker-cone in a telephone sound Mar 22 13:23:09 some speakers cant deal with the 4 pin of the nokias, thats what cause distortion Mar 22 13:23:13 no, like CB radio sound Mar 22 13:23:18 my logitech mm28 for instance Mar 22 13:23:19 hmm Mar 22 13:23:39 right, there's distortion if tghe volume is max Mar 22 13:23:42 now it's clear and i have no idea why Mar 22 13:23:47 haha Mar 22 13:23:54 maybe loose ground? Mar 22 13:24:23 well it was so bad that if i'd have paid full retail i would have returned it Mar 22 13:24:29 oh well. gone now Mar 22 13:25:50 i just discovered a file in my sources directory ... modified_raw_meat_for_transp_water_e3l1_t.zip Mar 22 13:33:25 pupnik, how goes the project? Mar 22 13:33:44 ... sniff ... need vorbis Mar 22 13:34:40 uh playtesting is going well Mar 22 14:17:28 :D Mar 22 14:18:25 i want max payne 1 2 please someone create it Mar 22 14:18:56 Convince them to compile it for ARM. Mar 22 14:20:17 yes too Mar 22 14:22:06 ok, i want to try something Mar 22 14:22:19 pupnik, are you around Mar 22 14:23:28 GeneralAntilles, i know you have sounded interested, if you would send a pm with your mail address i will send you something to playwith Mar 22 14:25:48 GeneralAntilles, :) got it - i will mail you a test Mar 22 14:27:43 any others whilst I am mailing out? Mar 22 14:29:22 sent :) Mar 22 14:37:03 GeneralAntilles, did you get it? Mar 22 14:37:20 Yeah, playing now. Mar 22 14:37:38 :D so it runs? Mar 22 14:37:43 Yeah Mar 22 14:37:48 brutal Mar 22 14:37:56 Framerate isn't as impressive as I was led to believe. :P Mar 22 14:38:11 Doesn't seem to like sizes under 20pts Mar 22 14:38:45 frame isnt drawn if you dont move - turn on the colorcube and it renders at fullspeed Mar 22 14:39:38 i only tested with a couple of fonts - its putting the widths onto a 4 pixel boundary so more noticable on proportional fonts Mar 22 14:40:15 and since i read at 24 anyway its not a bother :P Mar 22 14:40:37 It doesn't react to SIGINT Mar 22 14:41:10 Took me a little while to figure out how to make it dead. <_< Mar 22 14:41:19 it says it on the first page Mar 22 14:41:28 canola youtube plugin needs "next page" for its search Mar 22 14:41:30 what is sigint tho? ctrl c? Mar 22 14:41:39 Yeah Mar 22 14:41:50 What, the readme? Mar 22 14:41:54 Fuck dat sheet. Mar 22 14:41:59 yer - also the default page thats displayed Mar 22 14:42:12 ? Mar 22 14:42:13 if you ran the program with no params it shows that readme :) Mar 22 14:42:21 on the first page it says how to escape Mar 22 14:42:36 Ah Mar 22 14:42:42 I tried to run it without arguments first Mar 22 14:42:51 but it chocked since the readme wasn't there. Mar 22 14:43:07 choked, even. Mar 22 14:43:09 you just copied the file instead of extracting the archive Mar 22 14:43:33 My mail software is on the computer. :P Mar 22 14:43:33 * lcuk_2 makes a note and puts readme into source Mar 22 14:43:51 Eh, it wont matter once you package it. Mar 22 14:44:03 Very interesting anyway. Mar 22 14:44:27 its the start of me reading properly on my maemo :) Mar 22 14:44:49 I think it'll end up complementing FBReader rather than replacing it for me. Mar 22 14:45:38 * GeneralAntilles still wants to setup a system to sync FBReader between multiple tablets. Mar 22 14:46:27 * lcuk_2 puts a syncmasterfolder option in and ensures reading data is kept in sync ;) Mar 22 14:48:37 right, if anyone else wants a look at liqreader pm me with your address and i'll send it out. im off for a while Mar 22 14:48:49 Thanks, lcuk_2. Mar 22 14:48:55 :) Mar 22 14:50:58 hehe Mar 22 14:51:06 another rss reader? Mar 22 14:51:10 lcuk_2 is so awesome Mar 22 14:51:29 check if it works with feeds from racjonalista.pl Mar 22 14:51:42 the default one doesn't like them Mar 22 14:51:42 RSS reader? <_< Mar 22 14:51:45 No. Mar 22 14:51:48 mhm Mar 22 14:51:55 so what is it? Mar 22 14:51:55 It's an ebook reader. :P Mar 22 14:52:02 yay Mar 22 14:52:22 cool Mar 22 14:52:54 Interesting mostly because of the lack of tearing. Mar 22 14:53:49 ooh Mar 22 14:53:51 even better Mar 22 14:53:57 gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme Mar 22 14:54:09 Autoscroll, too. Mar 22 14:54:18 whee! Mar 22 14:54:24 supports pdfs too? Mar 22 14:54:52 Uh, no. Mar 22 14:54:56 hahaha it barely supports txt yet (i just noticed a bug..) Mar 22 14:55:04 heh Mar 22 14:55:05 PDFs are teh suck. Mar 22 14:55:15 but necessary suck Mar 22 14:55:16 lcuk_2, I'd like to see you pull that off, though. Mar 22 14:55:20 Just for the hilarity factor. Mar 22 14:55:30 SDL PDFs . . . Mar 22 14:55:35 btw, i need a working rss reader Mar 22 14:55:41 any hints? Mar 22 14:55:46 9 times out of 10 PDFs are used where they shouldn't be. Mar 22 14:55:47 pdf is just flated text mainly in locations - if i can keep the number of fonts down its not outside the bnounds Mar 22 14:56:09 Good luck with that. :P Mar 22 14:56:12 not really Mar 22 14:56:16 this thing can blit text anywhere rapidly Mar 22 14:56:25 it's often also gfx Mar 22 14:56:32 evince works fast Mar 22 14:56:36 The pictures will kill the framerate. Mar 22 14:56:45 pictures are just big glyphs :) Mar 22 14:57:00 Gotta load them, though. Mar 22 14:57:02 (but the default one is better integrated) Mar 22 14:57:44 * lcuk_2 digs out his old vb pdf parser Mar 22 14:57:51 harhar Mar 22 14:58:07 VB, now that's the real epitome of suck Mar 22 14:58:33 ok now, how to get canola to read vorbis? Mar 22 15:11:10 i'm missing that ogg plugin Mar 22 15:11:33 the deb link at ITT is nvalid Mar 22 15:15:17 ah well Mar 22 15:15:29 should work with new ogg-support too Mar 22 15:16:44 which one is better -- mogg or ogg-support Mar 22 15:16:46 ? Mar 22 15:16:56 * mgedmin hates having a keyboard with enter shaped like shift Mar 22 15:18:35 ogg-support should be faster Mar 22 15:18:41 but none works Mar 22 15:20:15 hehehe Mar 22 15:20:23 there are worse Mar 22 15:20:40 keyboards with small / key Mar 22 15:22:54 none works? Mar 22 15:23:18 I'm somehow not surprised Mar 22 15:30:25 none, as they haven't updated canola scanner plugin yet... Mar 22 15:30:34 tbd in this week Mar 22 15:31:12 hm Mar 22 15:31:13 what is the name of the improved mail app? Mar 22 15:31:21 "works" and "works with canola" are different things Mar 22 15:31:27 Modest Mar 22 15:31:28 AStorm: modest Mar 22 15:31:35 mhm Mar 22 15:39:53 why does apple not love the f5 and f6 keys? Mar 22 15:40:12 all the others have additional icons, 5 and 6 are bare Mar 22 15:41:01 reserved for future use ;) Mar 22 15:41:10 :) Mar 22 15:42:15 Anyone know of a Nokia car charger with a straight, rather than curly, cable? Mar 22 15:45:17 hi Mar 22 15:48:07 how to bind evince to pdf file format? Mar 22 15:48:33 and modest to email notifier? Mar 22 15:50:11 Fiddling around with mime types etc. Mar 22 15:50:20 where? Mar 22 15:50:35 See freedesktop.org for details on the specs Mar 22 15:51:23 ok... Mar 22 15:51:40 no gui for that? (like rox-mime) Mar 22 15:51:56 NAFAIK Mar 22 15:52:26 blah Mar 22 16:01:04 brb Mar 22 16:14:46 hmm, could someone pastebin me /usr/share/mime/packages/.xml Mar 22 16:14:47 ? Mar 22 16:15:29 from where? maemo, random desktop linux system? Mar 22 16:16:01 AStorm: my N810 has no XML files under /usr/share/mime containing the text 'email' Mar 22 16:16:06 maemo Mar 22 16:16:10 no no Mar 22 16:16:22 And there's no osso-email.xml under .../package/s Mar 22 16:16:24 it should have mailto inside Mar 22 16:16:33 grep for mail please Mar 22 16:16:45 Nope. Mar 22 16:16:56 * Jaffa grepped for 'email' cos osso-email's the default handler. Mar 22 16:17:23 hmmm Mar 22 16:17:32 so where is that registered? Mar 22 16:18:16 DBUS? Mar 22 16:18:40 bleh, more xml to hack Mar 22 16:22:08 does every c program wanting sigterm ctrl c handling have to explicitely code it in? or is my program ignoring them because of something i am doing Mar 22 16:23:06 probably gtk main loop installs its own handler Mar 22 16:24:11 its got init code for x and sdl and sdl_ttf and theres at least one atexit() but i would have thought it would still react and close the program Mar 22 16:24:20 (and xv) Mar 22 16:26:10 yep, it's the signal call Mar 22 16:26:26 and it's SIGINT, not SIGTERM Mar 22 16:27:09 so if i remove the atexit the program should revert to complete default and just exit when ctrl c is pressed? Mar 22 16:29:13 no Mar 22 16:29:31 atexit has nothing to do with signals Mar 22 16:30:27 ok - but how would i respond to ctrl c? is it something i have to explicitely do or does ssh handle it? Mar 22 16:30:45 by default it should close the app Mar 22 16:30:53 unless something handles it Mar 22 16:31:17 are you using signal? Mar 22 16:31:20 ive got no signal() calls in my code. Mar 22 16:31:25 hm Mar 22 16:31:33 nor do i reference signal.h Mar 22 16:31:35 gtk/glib event loop? Mar 22 16:32:12 no, its x based, i call XNextEvent Mar 22 16:32:19 mhm Mar 22 16:32:27 ok, i've a q Mar 22 16:32:46 any good app to handle video and pic capture? Mar 22 16:32:51 when i am running locally i get ctrl c keypresses, but over ssh it shouldnt come in as a key and should send a sig Mar 22 16:33:12 lcuk_2: depends on ssh client Mar 22 16:33:26 ive not seen much - only basic camera app - the sensor is so substandard that its not pushed Mar 22 16:33:35 :P Mar 22 16:33:57 not so, standard webcam quality Mar 22 16:34:12 yer, whats the n95 got? Mar 22 16:34:30 5 MP afaik Mar 22 16:34:35 yep Mar 22 16:34:46 "webcam" quality is substandard :) Mar 22 16:34:48 and this one is 1.5 or so Mar 22 16:34:57 lcuk_2: nope Mar 22 16:35:08 it's not a camera after all Mar 22 16:36:20 n810 jack of all trades. Mar 22 16:36:47 nope Mar 22 16:37:03 it doesn't even have a tv out Mar 22 16:37:17 :P Mar 22 16:37:36 http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ Mar 22 16:37:45 hahaha Mar 22 16:38:02 its contrived but as near as you are gonna get Mar 22 16:40:35 it's n800 Mar 22 16:41:00 n810 doesn't have video out Mar 22 16:41:10 So doesn't N800 Mar 22 16:41:18 0_0 Mar 22 16:41:19 it has a dongle? Mar 22 16:41:19 In the nobounds, they demonstrate with N810 Mar 22 16:41:22 Yes Mar 22 16:41:24 hmm Mar 22 16:41:39 I want one for n810 Mar 22 16:41:44 They say N800 will be supported though (which is good for me) Mar 22 16:41:57 one other thing on all the debunking i notice. all the apps are deffo windows programs - the xp titlebars are visible Mar 22 16:42:03 its just mirroring Mar 22 16:45:57 heh Mar 22 16:46:23 so, where do i get the host cable? Mar 22 16:48:36 you got one with the 810 Mar 22 16:48:51 its a sync cable with a f<->f connector :) Mar 22 16:48:59 host mode can be enabled with a command Mar 22 16:54:07 nope, it's said the cable needs a hardware tweak Mar 22 16:54:27 some wire to be shorted to the ground Mar 22 16:56:15 AStorm: this is only needed to switch into host mode automatically. Mar 22 16:56:25 mhm Mar 22 16:56:25 as lcuk_2 said, you can enable host mode manually Mar 22 16:56:37 with a nice applet? Mar 22 16:56:51 usb-otg-plugin Mar 22 16:57:04 I actually updated the wiki page on this a bit at internet tablet talk Mar 22 16:57:31 mhm Mar 22 16:57:41 so i have to google for it Mar 22 16:58:22 any repo? Mar 22 16:58:37 Check this : http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 Mar 22 16:58:49 Look at link at end for applet Mar 22 17:05:05 heh Mar 22 17:05:16 pupnik, around? Mar 22 17:05:16 usbcontrol is heavy! Mar 22 17:05:34 lol you mean heavy as in great? Mar 22 17:05:51 no, as in large Mar 22 17:06:07 My bad, slang on the brain :P Mar 22 17:06:30 Brb, need to reboot into windows to use a vfat check that actually does something. Mar 22 17:06:36 lol Mar 22 17:07:24 qwerty12 doesn't know about dosfsck -r Mar 22 17:07:42 * mgedmin didn't know either until yesterday Mar 22 17:07:53 * mgedmin had to study the fricking manual page Mar 22 17:08:13 :> Mar 22 17:08:21 isn't that what are man pages for? Mar 22 17:09:14 perhaps, but it's rude to ask me questions "do you want to repair this" and then ignore the answers quietly because I didn't pass the -r option Mar 22 17:09:16 rude, I say Mar 22 17:09:33 it may be a bug Mar 22 17:09:35 then Mar 22 17:09:36 :) Mar 22 17:09:37 probably is Mar 22 17:09:49 there's a though Mar 22 17:09:52 how do i disable xchat's tray? Mar 22 17:09:53 perhaps I should report it Mar 22 17:09:54 wow Mar 22 17:10:57 USB.Safely.Remove.v3.3.1.617.Cracked-NoPE :D Mar 22 17:11:06 it's good for us yeah! Mar 22 17:11:16 nope, it isn't Mar 22 17:11:28 why? :I Mar 22 17:11:36 50% chance it's a trojan Mar 22 17:11:50 lol Mar 22 17:12:42 no Mar 22 17:16:15 hmm hmm Mar 22 17:16:42 usbnet mode hung the machine Mar 22 17:18:59 * mgedmin creates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/205206 Mar 22 17:19:08 mgedmin: "qwerty12 doesn't know about dosfsck -r". Now, I do, thanks!. I was using fsck.vfat Mar 22 17:19:19 I think it's the same thing Mar 22 17:19:22 yup Mar 22 17:19:33 fsck.* are usually symlinks Mar 22 17:19:37 yup, symlink Mar 22 17:19:53 Lol, I'm useless :D. I can't believe I went into windows :( Mar 22 17:20:09 in my opinion it's a bug in dosfsck rather than a bug in you :) Mar 22 17:20:32 I was very surprised yesterday when I ran dosfsck twice and it showed me the exact same errors on the second run Mar 22 17:20:55 Thanks :D, I ran it 3 times and I got the same errors each time. I didn't look really closly though. Mar 22 17:21:02 mgedmin: otoh maybe they're just cautious Mar 22 17:21:15 I'm not objecting to not repairing stuff by default Mar 22 17:21:30 I'm objecting to the pretending to do the repairs without giving any useful information to the user Mar 22 17:21:50 i agree to this one Mar 22 17:21:54 :) Mar 22 17:22:11 I agree with mgedmin, I think its quite good behaviour but it should tell you that nothing was repaired and you should run it with -r option. Mar 22 17:23:02 hmm, broken openssh update Mar 22 17:23:23 openssh is always breaking for me with updates Mar 22 17:23:28 I just remove and re install now. Mar 22 17:23:32 interdeps, all 3 pkgs need simultaneous update Mar 22 17:24:04 You can use apt-get upgrade but its easier (better?) to remove and reinstall imho Mar 22 17:28:42 ok then Mar 22 17:30:49 lol i made some comparison pics between itouch/iphone and n8x0, resolution wise Mar 22 17:30:56 hehehe Mar 22 17:31:01 fullscreen itouch fitsin smallscreen canola Mar 22 17:31:08 iFoo loses Mar 22 17:31:20 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/youtube-browsing.jpg Mar 22 17:31:23 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/youtube-playback.jpg Mar 22 17:31:40 Lol in my work experience my friend went into o2 store to play with iphone and he searched for redtube and the lady there saw him :D Mar 22 17:31:54 redtube? Mar 22 17:32:00 Dont search for it Mar 22 17:32:06 what is it? Mar 22 17:32:12 xxx tube... Mar 22 17:32:20 lol Mar 22 17:32:31 thgouth that was porno tube or something Mar 22 17:32:42 theres redtube as well lol Mar 22 17:33:36 horny people and their websites -.- Mar 22 17:34:48 please don't make me install canola again! Mar 22 17:34:56 oh? Mar 22 17:34:56 I will be strong! I will avoid closed-source software! Mar 22 17:35:03 lol Mar 22 17:35:03 I didn't buy an iphone, after all Mar 22 17:35:05 canola is closed source? Mar 22 17:35:09 canolad is oss :P Mar 22 17:35:17 what? Mar 22 17:35:25 since when? Mar 22 17:35:36 september 1536 Mar 22 17:35:41 that's the greatest news since os2008 got released, if true Mar 22 17:36:08 I'm joking about, canolad is one of the bits that make up canola. canola is not oss itself tho Mar 22 17:36:09 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/developer.html Mar 22 17:36:14 i wouldnt be able to do anything with the source anyways so doesnt bother me Mar 22 17:36:23 lol same here :D Mar 22 17:36:39 If something compiles in scratchbox without any modification, then I'm happy :p Mar 22 17:36:54 ah, I thought it was a typo Mar 22 17:37:09 if the release thread is without any trace of "just do this in xterm"-quotes then im happy :p Mar 22 17:37:47 mgedmin: I see what you mean, a and d are close. Cptnodegard: Lol, I don't mind xterm :P Mar 22 17:38:16 i have no linux experience whatsoever Mar 22 17:38:26 most threads on itt gives me a headache Mar 22 17:39:01 looks like someone whacked the keyboard repeatedly in to the wall and posted the resulting symbols Mar 22 17:39:06 :D Mar 22 17:39:10 I actually hadn't touched Linux in years but I'm amazed at what I know Mar 22 17:39:11 lol Mar 22 17:40:44 openssh is still installing... :@ Mar 22 17:56:12 how can i downgrade mplayer? Mar 22 17:56:28 install manually older package? Mar 22 17:56:31 remove it and reinstall old one from deb Mar 22 17:56:39 yeah right Mar 22 17:56:45 or just extract binary and put it in /usr/local/bin Mar 22 17:56:45 I actually keep 24 & 26 on my N800 Mar 22 17:56:46 :) Mar 22 17:56:52 but where do i get the deb from Mar 22 17:56:55 lol Mar 22 17:57:00 that's a newbie question Mar 22 17:57:01 :) Mar 22 17:57:06 from repo of course Mar 22 17:57:07 yeah Mar 22 17:57:13 path? Mar 22 17:57:27 dist/chinook/what? Mar 22 17:58:33 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/ Mar 22 17:58:52 you can also try package authors homepage Mar 22 17:58:53 :) Mar 22 17:58:55 mhm Mar 22 17:59:46 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 Mar 22 18:02:08 hope the port the patch to the new one Mar 22 18:02:19 but there's no .26 yet Mar 22 18:02:22 (integer flv decode) Mar 22 18:02:23 in that dir Mar 22 18:02:30 in testing Mar 22 18:21:21 hi, what is the easiest way to update the content of a container? Mar 22 20:20:46 hi Mar 22 20:21:21 I'm trying canola youtube plugin it's amazing Mar 22 20:22:12 but do you know if it is possible to save youtube video on a mmc and not on the 256mo internal memory? Mar 22 20:23:31 technically you could save onto a mmc if you booted off of one Mar 22 20:23:49 if it saves them to some dir, just make a symlink? Mar 22 20:24:04 or for a slightly more sane approach, perhaps you could symlink the directory where the YT videos are stored to a directory on your mmc? Mar 22 20:24:08 yes Mar 22 20:24:37 good idea Mar 22 20:25:44 thank you ;-) Mar 22 20:25:47 lol Mar 22 20:26:02 thats a workaround not a solution ;) might be an idea to mention somewhere on the official list if there is one - that way the devs can see if theres a real need Mar 22 20:26:18 true Mar 22 20:26:35 they should watch #maemo then! Mar 22 20:26:36 ;) Mar 22 20:26:37 * lcuk_2 doesnt mind workarounds tho Mar 22 20:27:01 I think there is a real need because 256mo is not much for all the youtube videos... Mar 22 20:27:19 maybe they're developing on n810 Mar 22 20:27:30 and if something happens to the internal memory then you are done for Mar 22 20:28:01 My N800 should arrive on Monday. ^_^ Mar 22 20:28:21 lost in the post? it should be an 810 nowadays :P Mar 22 20:28:26 I have a N800 and a N810 Mar 22 20:28:29 I have a 770, but I realized how much better the N800 was and ordered one before the 770 even got here. Mar 22 20:28:36 810 is inferior to 800 Mar 22 20:28:37 imo Mar 22 20:28:38 :) Mar 22 20:28:57 no I have both, and N810 is better Mar 22 20:28:57 I would like the screen and keyboard of the 810, but I don't really have that kind of money. Mar 22 20:29:05 810 extensions are inferior to 800 + extensions. but style is everything and the 810 looks better Mar 22 20:29:20 810 only has better looks and hw kb Mar 22 20:29:24 Extensions? Mar 22 20:29:29 yer - part time keyboard :) Mar 22 20:29:32 gps Mar 22 20:29:34 everything else is worse Mar 22 20:29:47 The 810 has a sunlight viewable screen too, doesn't it? Mar 22 20:30:05 i dont know i dont take it out in the car cos gps takes so long to fix its not worth it Mar 22 20:30:15 :> Mar 22 20:30:18 if i set it going before i go to work i am there before its connected Mar 22 20:30:27 (30min drive) Mar 22 20:30:27 haha :| Mar 22 20:30:34 yup Mar 22 20:30:42 and wbt-210 is only 95$ Mar 22 20:30:43 its embarrassing Mar 22 20:30:47 and has ~1-3sec fix Mar 22 20:30:50 :> Mar 22 20:30:50 That's unfortunate. Mar 22 20:30:54 hah Mar 22 20:31:01 and <2.5m resolution Mar 22 20:31:06 (: Mar 22 20:31:09 810 can re-fix in a few seconds as well, its just that first time is a bitch - its like the 40year old virgin Mar 22 20:31:30 probably software fixable.. Mar 22 20:31:33 or maybe not Mar 22 20:31:34 :) Mar 22 20:31:37 Shouldn't the first time be really quick then? Mar 22 20:31:42 btw kot, pm me your addy and i will let you try a playtest :) Mar 22 20:31:53 i'm not registered :) Mar 22 20:32:02 tjosko at yahoo dot com Mar 22 20:32:12 :) Mar 22 20:32:48 its a very rough playtest Mar 22 20:33:12 Oh, does anyone have an N800 camera photo that I could see? I'm just curious about the quality.. I've played with tiny/cheap webcams before, and a lot of them suck pretty hard. Mar 22 20:33:22 grackle: it's bad Mar 22 20:33:28 i can show you .avi of it Mar 22 20:33:49 n800 camera == euuuurrgh!!! Mar 22 20:33:54 Ah well don't go out of your way to do it, I suppose that's good enough. Mar 22 20:33:59 hah :| Mar 22 20:34:16 you meant, 'bad enough' Mar 22 20:34:17 :) Mar 22 20:34:23 yeah.. Mar 22 20:34:32 imagine first cellphone cameras Mar 22 20:34:39 it's something like that Mar 22 20:34:40 though then again if all you are doing is letting other people see your mugshot, then it's not so bad Mar 22 20:35:08 bah. what i am saying Mar 22 20:35:17 even recent moto razr is bad. Mar 22 20:35:38 i want to use cam to register liqreader users ;) Mar 22 20:36:03 luckily n800 camera is hidden by default Mar 22 20:36:03 ;) Mar 22 20:36:17 haha Mar 22 20:36:22 well, n800 cam is good on bright light :) Mar 22 20:36:22 its not gonna take automatically (that will be my security program though) Mar 22 20:36:26 (another 810 inferiority ;) Mar 22 20:36:33 :P Mar 22 20:36:38 use a sticker over camera Mar 22 20:36:45 haha Mar 22 20:36:47 ive got one already over my ambient sensor Mar 22 20:36:54 and loose 'chic advantage' of your n810? Mar 22 20:36:56 :> Mar 22 20:37:02 And in the dark light every mobile camera suck SLR's )) Mar 22 20:37:03 Yes, a sticker that says "Nope, no crappy webcams here!" Mar 22 20:37:11 then you can have 800 as well Mar 22 20:37:14 :) Mar 22 20:37:15 nahh i gain a "well done" sticker (from my youngest) Mar 22 20:37:28 its got a smiley and everythin :D Mar 22 20:37:39 yeeeah, sure Mar 22 20:37:43 but it's still a 'patch' Mar 22 20:37:44 :) Mar 22 20:37:44 Have you guys tried poky linux on the IT? Mar 22 20:37:55 today I had a bad thing and dropped my n800 to the floor Mar 22 20:37:59 lol @ patch Mar 22 20:38:00 yikes Mar 22 20:38:03 pokey linux? Mar 22 20:38:12 http://pokylinux.org/ Mar 22 20:38:25 wazd: last time they checked it wasn't functional Mar 22 20:38:34 i mean no connectivity etc. Mar 22 20:38:37 no pm too Mar 22 20:38:50 The internet tablet version is very in-development, but what's there is very nice. Mar 22 20:39:00 the 810 has an awsume screen Mar 22 20:39:17 The interface is much better than openmoko/hildon, from a usability standpoint anyway. Mar 22 20:39:25 its touch sensitivity is lacking though - everyone wants to use finger to touch and slide Mar 22 20:39:40 KotCzarny: who? where? how much?) Mar 22 20:39:42 you kind of press and judder Mar 22 20:39:56 wazd: google for irclogs Mar 22 20:39:59 :) Mar 22 20:40:08 lcuk_2: poky or the n810? Who's talking to who? *is confused* Mar 22 20:40:26 Because I did notice that the touch sensitivity in poky is rather low. Mar 22 20:40:31 im on about the touch on the actual device - it doesnt matter which os is controlling it - its just not sensitive enough Mar 22 20:40:52 ipod has true glass screen and works well Mar 22 20:40:59 (but needs finger) Mar 22 20:41:11 this is a stylus controlled screen which is a bit of a shame Mar 22 20:41:16 Ah. My comment was referring to poky on the 770. Sensitivity threshold is too high. Mar 22 20:41:51 ipod is multitouch, too. Mar 22 20:41:57 * Grackle would like a multitouch display Mar 22 20:41:58 and low res Mar 22 20:42:04 yeah, much lower Mar 22 20:42:05 im talking to the chanel conversation in general but am 5 minutes behind the conversation. Im slow of thinking Mar 22 20:42:45 my brain gets lag sometimes - most often caused by intake of beer Mar 22 20:43:01 lcuk: where's the source? Mar 22 20:43:23 on my drive Mar 22 20:43:26 awww, multitouch!) Now you can pinch your fotos!) Mar 22 20:43:48 I think we need capacitive touchscreen but not multitouch itself :) Mar 22 20:44:14 im sure the 810 has a glass screen its not scratching as much as my 700 Mar 22 20:44:21 wazd: It's noticeable when using both thumbs on the screen (for instance when typing with thumbs) Mar 22 20:44:33 smack - it doesnt Mar 22 20:44:38 A multitouch screen would handle my large mashing thumbs better Mar 22 20:44:39 glass doesnt flex Mar 22 20:44:44 who knew Mar 22 20:44:45 (as much) Mar 22 20:44:46 multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch, it's area-touch (it only recognizes the rectangular area where all your fingers are in) Mar 22 20:44:49 i'm pretty flexible Mar 22 20:44:53 (no i'm not) Mar 22 20:44:58 lol Mar 22 20:45:02 :> Mar 22 20:45:11 bilboed: Hm, that's interesting. Well, I would like that on the IT. :P Mar 22 20:45:32 Could that be done with the IT's hardware? Mar 22 20:45:37 no) Mar 22 20:45:47 It's capacitive touchscreen feature Mar 22 20:46:01 Ah. Mar 22 20:46:05 IT haven't got it for now Mar 22 20:46:42 ./liqreader: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 Mar 22 20:46:44 erm Mar 22 20:46:47 my old tablet had to use a powered stylus - i could lean on it and not intefere - i think a big touchscreen now would throw me off - try leaning on one corner of your 8x0 whilst using the other corner Mar 22 20:47:11 E: Couldn't find package libSDL_ttf Mar 22 20:47:17 (from apt-get) Mar 22 20:47:41 apt-cache search libsdl Mar 22 20:47:44 :( thought all that was preinstalled? ahhh well at least i know to put it into an eventual package Mar 22 20:47:47 Might be there, just not with that name. Mar 22 20:48:05 nope Mar 22 20:48:14 arm. it's libsdl-ttf2.0-0 Mar 22 20:48:58 * Grackle goes off to take a shower while bitbake runs Mar 22 20:49:32 lcuk: i like it Mar 22 20:49:39 can i get the source? Mar 22 20:50:09 once i release it yes certainly Mar 22 20:50:25 when it will be? Mar 22 20:50:46 * lcuk_2 takes a leaf out of duke nukems book. Mar 22 20:50:56 hopefully soon as i get some webspace properly Mar 22 20:51:00 i can give you feature ide right now Mar 22 20:51:10 add finger-slide-multiplier Mar 22 20:51:12 :) Mar 22 20:51:35 i did do - it felt awful though - mainly because i didnt have anything showing where in document you were Mar 22 20:51:37 right now it's tiresome a little Mar 22 20:52:48 yer i know - theres lots i want to add to it - theres bugs in this one at present even now it just shows that fullscreen flicker free rendering can be done Mar 22 20:53:20 but i give it heads-up Mar 22 20:53:25 i like it Mar 22 20:53:25 :D Mar 22 20:53:34 just don't overhildonize it Mar 22 20:53:45 so it could be easily ported to regular linux too Mar 22 20:53:47 im seriously under hildonized at present Mar 22 20:53:54 yes i know Mar 22 20:54:00 make it optional Mar 22 20:54:22 i would love good reader on my laptop too Mar 22 20:54:24 it needs to be usable and play nice in both fullscreen and windowed but beyond that theres nothing specifically hildon Mar 22 20:54:24 "Overhildonizer" ) Mar 22 20:54:32 Sounds like blockbuster) Mar 22 20:54:50 here is a random question, the core cursor shows up by commenting out the blurb about the transparent theme, so in gtk setting cusor-theme-name will i get the core cursor, and will it happen immediatly or next boot Mar 22 20:55:14 potato: probably after wm restart Mar 22 20:55:16 :) Mar 22 20:55:16 have you considered isolo through WINE ? Mar 22 20:55:24 im not sure how it would go.. Mar 22 20:55:27 wine is too big Mar 22 20:55:29 tx Mar 22 20:56:01 have you seen the colorcube? Mar 22 20:56:04 yup Mar 22 20:56:07 works ok Mar 22 20:56:22 first attempt at seeing how all 3 planes operate Mar 22 20:56:22 fps ~9-11 Mar 22 20:56:30 o rly? Mar 22 20:56:39 stable 26/27 solid? Mar 22 20:56:44 it shouldnt clock down Mar 22 20:56:46 yup Mar 22 20:56:51 thats odd.. Mar 22 20:56:58 add an option for fps to be printed out on stdout Mar 22 20:57:01 are you running on a lower cpu setting? Mar 22 20:57:04 then i can print you the stats Mar 22 20:57:14 lcuk: it's running on default Mar 22 20:57:18 hmm did i remove that from the log Mar 22 20:57:36 so pm kicks in probably Mar 22 20:57:57 also handle ctrl-c Mar 22 20:57:58 ;) Mar 22 20:59:56 btw. don't disable pm, i would prefer some tearing to battery drain Mar 22 21:00:18 doh! //app_log("Main loop complete: %i frames, average fps %f\n",framecount,app_fps(tzs,tz0,framecount)); Mar 22 21:00:27 :) Mar 22 21:00:31 pm? Mar 22 21:00:37 power management Mar 22 21:00:39 |> Incoming/PaulOakenfol - PeteTong & SebFontaine -EssentialMix - Live @ Creamfie.mp3. Mar 22 21:00:42 i dont do anything with it Mar 22 21:00:56 and when not showing the cube it only renders a frame after it detects a mouse eevent Mar 22 21:01:01 i remember you saying something about keeping cpu at 100% Mar 22 21:01:02 ;) Mar 22 21:01:02 ie its not going like the clappers Mar 22 21:01:08 mhm Mar 22 21:01:10 :) Mar 22 21:01:13 you can see that by using -fpsshow Mar 22 21:01:17 yes Mar 22 21:01:47 i call into XNextEvent and wait patiently for an event to come Mar 22 21:02:47 i asked about this ctrl c thing earlier - in the normal flow of things would a program have to explicitely register ctrl c handler, or is reader doing something it shouldnt Mar 22 21:02:54 (i couldnt get a straight answer earlier) Mar 22 21:03:11 it should register a signal i think Mar 22 21:03:16 otherwise it will be ignored Mar 22 21:03:33 right - thats why im not capturing anything - im used to it being handled automatically Mar 22 21:03:41 ill put a capture trap in later on then Mar 22 21:03:49 it's a 2 liner anyway Mar 22 21:03:50 :) Mar 22 21:04:16 which is best host for applications? it should have svn type things and management etc Mar 22 21:04:28 * lcuk_2 is thinking of sourceforge but theres gotta be others Mar 22 21:04:33 if the project is small... Mar 22 21:04:45 just keep current .tar.gz of the sources Mar 22 21:04:48 anybody installed ettercap? on the n800? i can't find the executable. Mar 22 21:05:09 its just zipped up at present Mar 22 21:05:40 a whopping 23k! ;) Mar 22 21:05:44 :) Mar 22 21:05:53 sorry - 60k :P that was old one Mar 22 21:05:53 small but functional Mar 22 21:05:58 skibur: search internet tablet talk, some 1 has ng afair Mar 22 21:06:10 ok Mar 22 21:06:21 *Afaicr Mar 22 21:06:32 i gotcha Mar 22 21:08:08 Hehe, i like to correct myself :p Mar 22 21:12:55 lcuk: just run a thttpd off some dir and send a link Mar 22 21:12:56 :) Mar 22 21:13:16 saving from webmail requires so many click Mar 22 21:13:18 s Mar 22 21:13:18 :) Mar 22 21:13:35 since im on a windows box thats a hell of a lot of faffing Mar 22 21:13:42 ill get there.. Mar 22 21:13:45 :> Mar 22 21:13:59 i believe thttpd compiles under cygwin Mar 22 21:14:05 if you want an .exe.. ;) Mar 22 21:14:22 actually i think ive got ftp server somewhere around already setup Mar 22 21:14:27 nah. Mar 22 21:14:29 thttpd. Mar 22 21:14:30 :) Mar 22 21:14:50 ftp doesn't play nice behind firewall Mar 22 21:14:53 :D i could use the vb webserver thats around Mar 22 21:17:03 <|zeus|> hm. what pacakge should i install to get dmesg on n810? Mar 22 21:17:17 none, i believe it's already there Mar 22 21:17:18 its already included ? Mar 22 21:17:20 (via busybox) Mar 22 21:17:40 I thought it was standard linux anyway? Mar 22 21:17:42 is svn available for n800? Mar 22 21:18:03 qwerty: standard as long you don't use busybox Mar 22 21:18:04 :> Mar 22 21:18:39 Ah right Mar 22 21:18:43 :) Mar 22 21:19:32 <|zeus|> oh yea Mar 22 21:19:37 <|zeus|> it here Mar 22 21:19:41 Btw, anybody know any proper irc client for chinook? Rtcomm beta wont work with irc for me and pidgin is a bit slow Mar 22 21:19:49 <|zeus|> but it doesn't recognize my minisd Mar 22 21:19:51 <|zeus|> at all Mar 22 21:19:55 <|zeus|> o_O Mar 22 21:20:01 qwerty: irssi? Mar 22 21:20:02 ;) Mar 22 21:20:06 <|zeus|> even dmesg doesn't say anything Mar 22 21:20:27 zeus: connect usb cable and check on pc? Mar 22 21:20:43 it should at least export device, maybe partition table is b0rken Mar 22 21:20:51 or fs itself Mar 22 21:21:27 <|zeus|> KotCzarny: even _dmesg_ doesn't say anything Mar 22 21:21:52 Does dmesg by default? Mar 22 21:22:07 Kernel has options for mmc debug Mar 22 21:22:26 I posted a kernel for someone else with it compiled Mar 22 21:23:51 lcuk: 17:24:04 Main loop complete: 194 frames, average fps 9.317964 Mar 22 21:23:55 with colorcube Mar 22 21:25:31 humm Mar 22 21:25:35 also you should add some error handling Mar 22 21:25:44 i had to kill -9 it after: Xlib: sequence lost (0x101cf > 0x1d0) in reply type 0x5d! Mar 22 21:25:51 my wifi is abused a little now Mar 22 21:26:16 humm indeed Mar 22 21:26:20 you on 800? Mar 22 21:26:22 yes Mar 22 21:26:48 17:26:47 Main loop complete: 98 frames, average fps 8.602528 Mar 22 21:26:57 that's without colocube and with some scrolling Mar 22 21:27:21 without cube it should never reach average fps very high - it sits idle for most of the time Mar 22 21:27:29 yes Mar 22 21:27:30 but with it it really shouldnt be running slowly Mar 22 21:27:35 it sometimes shows ~27 Mar 22 21:28:27 the only way i can force the slowness is to call: Mar 22 21:28:28 echo powersave >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Mar 22 21:28:42 which is not the default governor option Mar 22 21:28:51 default is 'null' Mar 22 21:28:59 which is similiar to conservative Mar 22 21:29:01 default is ondemand Mar 22 21:29:11 nope Mar 22 21:29:28 Kernel lists null too as def. Mar 22 21:29:37 or maybe you're right Mar 22 21:29:48 though i don't remember setting ondemand Mar 22 21:29:51 Although I believe it runs ondemand Mar 22 21:31:20 anyone know if setting keylock is putting device in more aggressive pm or regular? Mar 22 21:32:02 could some folks with 800s and 810s please just check their scaling_governor setting and report back. Mar 22 21:32:02 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Mar 22 21:32:06 use that line ^ Mar 22 21:32:14 i know Mar 22 21:32:17 it lists ondemand Mar 22 21:32:30 but when you compile kernel it lists 'null' as default Mar 22 21:32:45 ahh Mar 22 21:33:04 which isn't == 'no gov' but more like 'very conservative' Mar 22 21:34:15 <|zeus|> now it says something about "Setting voltage VMMC" Mar 22 21:34:28 <|zeus|> and then "Shut down VMMC" Mar 22 21:34:31 <|zeus|> =\ Mar 22 21:34:40 actually during testing i got the following order (slowest running to fastest): powersave (slowest), ondemand (slow unless stroking), conservative/performance/null (tied same full speed) Mar 22 21:34:40 In dmesg? Mar 22 21:34:42 it's powersaving Mar 22 21:34:47 <|zeus|> yep Mar 22 21:34:56 Standard kernel? Mar 22 21:35:21 zeus: it's just powersaving Mar 22 21:35:26 everyone has them Mar 22 21:35:28 <|zeus|> yep Mar 22 21:35:29 :) Mar 22 21:35:55 * |zeus| trying to uderstood is sd reader on new n810 are dead or not Mar 22 21:36:10 do you have original sd card? Mar 22 21:36:20 my n800 came with 128mb card Mar 22 21:36:31 810 comes with a soldered on 2gb Mar 22 21:36:36 and one slot Mar 22 21:36:40 Kotczaeny, I dont get those msgs tho but I am usinng custom kernel Mar 22 21:36:40 empty Mar 22 21:36:52 800 comes with soldered 256 and 128mb minisd + adapter Mar 22 21:40:16 :O i just realised that i was still on performance Mar 22 21:40:20 :> Mar 22 21:40:38 after setting back to ondemand i reproduce.. Mar 22 21:40:59 'realized' Mar 22 21:41:14 chocolate time, brb Mar 22 21:41:25 yer my test script changes it one way, then changes it back Mar 22 21:41:40 * lcuk_2 hmm Mar 22 21:42:14 If scaling_governor line is changed; does scaling_min_freq change too? Mar 22 21:42:27 probably not Mar 22 21:42:40 Ah, ok, thanks Mar 22 21:43:00 I should combine those scripts i use... Mar 22 21:43:33 one day i will make status bar applet that will have them all! Mar 22 21:43:34 :) Mar 22 21:43:36 hmmm, i might have to start doing garbage in my inner loop again - i cant have it doing that Mar 22 21:44:42 @KotCz (hope u dont mind me shortening down, osk sux), cool :) Mar 22 21:44:55 :) Mar 22 21:45:04 you can short down to 'kot' Mar 22 21:45:04 :) Mar 22 21:45:21 Thanks :) Mar 22 21:45:44 any idea what triggers the governor Mar 22 21:45:50 cpu usage Mar 22 21:46:03 but i am trying to use the cpu at fullspeed Mar 22 21:46:14 then it's probably not enough Mar 22 21:46:16 :) Mar 22 21:46:21 just play some mp3s ;) Mar 22 21:46:24 if i put extra code into the blit loop it forces it over and keeps up Mar 22 21:46:27 but thats just stupid.. Mar 22 21:46:29 with gst and mp3task Mar 22 21:46:40 that way you won't eat cpu and set cpu to highest mode Mar 22 21:46:57 i seem to recall thinking this way a while back - i dont want to have to run extra things just to get a loop faster Mar 22 21:47:06 it will eat battery though Mar 22 21:47:20 it's only for testing Mar 22 21:47:22 isn't it? Mar 22 21:47:31 also people can play mp3s while reading Mar 22 21:47:32 right? Mar 22 21:47:33 ;) Mar 22 21:47:36 so can you Mar 22 21:47:47 yer but i dont wanna have to say to see it smoothly you must stroke like you have hairy palms or change the governor Mar 22 21:47:48 You could try echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq ; dunno if it would help though. Mar 22 21:48:03 no, im not gonna tweak power saving settings for the whole device Mar 22 21:48:16 lcuk: i don't mind tearing Mar 22 21:48:20 there must be a way to up my own thread priority - i can do it in vb ffs Mar 22 21:48:28 its not tearing thats the issue Mar 22 21:48:31 usefullness is what i need Mar 22 21:48:32 :) Mar 22 21:48:35 its VERY difficult to tear Mar 22 21:48:55 i have to repeat the blit loop about 4 times before i can see tearing Mar 22 21:49:11 * |zeus| brok miniSD card now :( Mar 22 21:49:19 lol? Mar 22 21:49:20 how? Mar 22 21:49:22 then if i push it a bit more it just lowers the framerate a bit Mar 22 21:50:09 fysa, are you knocking around ? Mar 22 21:50:23 (when in doubt, pray to the gods) Mar 22 21:50:56 lcuk_2: not sure if this is what you are after, but it only seems for bora : http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/04/26/maemo-nicer/ Mar 22 21:52:34 that might do it - but is there not something within the app itself which i can say (process.priority = high;) Mar 22 21:52:53 yes Mar 22 21:52:58 i think Mar 22 21:53:09 don't remember syntax though Mar 22 21:53:38 man setpriority Mar 22 21:53:40 :) Mar 22 21:53:55 yer im just looking now - ive got the winapi version and finding linux refs Mar 22 21:54:52 but priority is not your problem i think Mar 22 21:55:32 |> Essential Mix 08-08-2006 - Sven Vath () Mar 22 21:56:15 its worth a try, i dont see how when i run a flat out loop and try to go fast it doesnt identify it Mar 22 21:56:29 then you will probably need 'real time' priority Mar 22 21:56:30 :> Mar 22 21:56:48 i know it can handle it properly - i might have to just include the extra code in my blit :( Mar 22 21:57:21 int dummy = (x*y+x*y); *dummyin=dummy; Mar 22 21:57:48 and bammo - the code runs faster - even though i am actually performing that equation thousands of times Mar 22 21:58:13 lcuk: just open mp3task Mar 22 21:58:18 you don't have to play anything Mar 22 21:58:21 just keep it open Mar 22 21:58:29 that will set cpu to highest mode Mar 22 22:00:31 <|zeus|> блять Mar 22 22:00:33 <|zeus|> sorry Mar 22 22:02:04 re Mar 22 22:02:27 where do i find info about mp3task - if its maemo specific theres certainly nothing about it (results page on google comes up with 3 entires to irc room) Mar 22 22:02:44 lcuk: in gst sources? Mar 22 22:02:52 or mplayer? Mar 22 22:04:41 hmm not sure - but even the dummy isnt working now - its been optimised out of existance i think Mar 22 22:05:02 recompiled without opts and its faster (but really its slower) Mar 22 22:12:11 * qwerty12_N801 grumbles, watchdog rebooted n800 Mar 22 22:12:48 :> Mar 22 22:17:57 12. Wzrasta popyt na rowery. Mar 22 22:18:00 nie mam nic przeciwko Mar 22 22:18:01 :> Mar 22 22:18:31 I dont speak Polska :p Mar 22 22:18:36 erm Mar 22 22:18:38 sorry Mar 22 22:18:41 wrong chan Mar 22 22:18:42 lol Mar 22 22:18:49 Lol Mar 22 22:18:51 and it should be 'Polish' Mar 22 22:18:52 ;) Mar 22 22:19:08 My bad, sorry :) Mar 22 22:19:24 I do not dance PolkaU,u Mar 22 22:19:34 xD Mar 22 22:20:12 What does cal-tool do exactly? Is it like flasher-3.0, letting you set device parameters? Mar 22 22:20:37 hmm Mar 22 22:20:39 KotCzarny: I take it you are Polish then... how come you behave like the spelling police? :P Mar 22 22:20:45 isn't it for screen calibration Mar 22 22:20:46 ? Mar 22 22:21:14 No its in initfs and fanoush uses it in initfs script Mar 22 22:21:27 tama: that's because if i track my errors, i can encourage others to point those errors that i miss Mar 22 22:21:27 :) Mar 22 22:21:37 ie. i will learn english Mar 22 22:22:26 I thought u were from Czech Republic because of Cz lol Mar 22 22:22:27 translated you mean: I will be a pedantic bastard thus provoking others into rabidly pointing out my own mistakes Mar 22 22:22:40 tama: correct Mar 22 22:22:40 :> Mar 22 22:23:09 how can i learn if i don't correct my own errors? Mar 22 22:24:49 any1 here from indiana? What a crock.. Indiana adds a tax penalty to taxpayers who owe on their taxes. Bastards. A penalty for being penalized Mar 22 22:24:59 I need to fix my device lines. According to about, I have a n800 but & . I'm in the mood to mess around with my tablet. Mar 22 22:25:16 qwerty: reflash Mar 22 22:25:17 ;) Mar 22 22:25:32 I don't want to :( Mar 22 22:25:43 just kidding Mar 22 22:26:20 Lol, I have it set up the way I like, applications, kernel & initfs :) Mar 22 22:26:58 Backup prog is useless at restoring appplication Lists Mar 22 22:29:59 Signal is weak in my room. Mar 22 22:39:56 I figured out how to run cal-tool . Pointless:/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool Mar 22 22:39:56 Nothing to do! Mar 22 22:39:56 Usage: cal-tool [OPTIONS] Mar 22 22:39:57 Options: Mar 22 22:39:57 --get-rd-mode, -d Get R&D mode status Mar 22 22:39:59 --get-rd-flags, -f Get R&D mode flags Mar 22 22:40:01 --get-root-device, -r Get root device option Mar 22 22:40:03 --set-root-device, -R Set root device option Mar 22 22:40:05 --get-usb-host-mode, -u Get USB host mode flag Mar 22 22:41:02 I'm gonna mess around with flasher-30.. Does kernel affect the about screen too? Mar 22 23:06:09 Good night, need some zzzzzz's.... Mar 22 23:17:23 kot - ive added a turbo option which sets the governor :) it can be disabled if required Mar 22 23:17:44 until i speak to ppl regarding its use it gives simplest solution Mar 22 23:17:58 :) Mar 22 23:31:53 KotCzarny, well - it works with ssh because im root, but normal user running from the console isnt root Mar 22 23:32:08 governor is ro for user Mar 22 23:32:12 yup Mar 22 23:32:25 but one can create suid app that could switch them Mar 22 23:32:35 its enough anyway- others will help - its an option now at least Mar 22 23:36:40 < bilboed> multitouch on the iphone is not multitouch <<- sure? that would mean those emulators with onscreen controls would be pretty useless Mar 22 23:37:03 Ha Mar 22 23:37:06 What? Mar 22 23:38:07 pupnik, with two fingers you can EASILY emulate multitouch Mar 22 23:38:14 pupnik, it create a rectangle area Mar 22 23:38:29 On what? Mar 22 23:38:39 bilboed: are you sure? Mar 22 23:38:43 on i-oh-my-god-do-I-hate-it-phone Mar 22 23:38:50 KotCzarny, positive Mar 22 23:38:57 but not on n8x0 screen, i believe Mar 22 23:39:00 nope Mar 22 23:39:05 yup Mar 22 23:39:05 different technology Mar 22 23:39:08 hmm. i guess you could do it - nevermind Mar 22 23:39:08 yup Mar 22 23:39:20 I am confused Mar 22 23:39:25 Emulate? Mar 22 23:39:29 So am I, Tama^2. Mar 22 23:39:40 ok, the software receives a rectangular area Mar 22 23:39:55 guess where the two fingers are ? in two of the corners of that rectangle Mar 22 23:40:00 with some button layouts, some combinations of buttons would yield identical rectangles Mar 22 23:40:05 yep Mar 22 23:40:10 bilboed: but how can you tell WHICH corners? Mar 22 23:40:28 because unless you're a robot, you'll never press the two corners at the same time Mar 22 23:40:34 bilboed: your idea is too simplistic i.e. it does not work Mar 22 23:40:36 ahm Mar 22 23:40:52 Tama^2, hey dude, don't trust me, google for it Mar 22 23:42:43 I get the following error when i compile gstreamer using maemo sdk and copy over the libraries Mar 22 23:42:45 gst-inspect-0.10[3079]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegvideoparse.so: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min Mar 22 23:42:58 Lots of these pring out when I run gst-inspect Mar 22 23:43:02 any ideas why? Mar 22 23:43:26 you need a debugging-enabled version of gstreamer Mar 22 23:43:41 the default version on the devices have debugging disabled Mar 22 23:43:48 mismatched packages? Mar 22 23:43:54 i see, so can i compile debuggin disabled then? Mar 22 23:45:06 i will try debugging disabled and see Mar 22 23:45:36 configure will pick it up from the gstreamer pkgconfig Mar 22 23:45:47 you most likely have the debugging version pkgconfig Mar 22 23:46:16 OR you can install the debugging version of gstreamer on the device Mar 22 23:46:16 i copied /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gst* from maemo sdk (scratchbox) to the device Mar 22 23:46:32 it uses it at COMPILE time Mar 22 23:46:34 not at runtime Mar 22 23:46:46 you need to recompile against a debugging-disabled version of gstreamer Mar 22 23:47:08 so when i compile gstreamer i do ./configure -disable-debug or something? Mar 22 23:48:02 --disable-gst-debug Mar 22 23:48:27 ok Mar 22 23:48:28 but... I thought scratchbox had a properly configured gstreamer for that (with the same compile flags as on the device) Mar 22 23:48:56 i got the latest gstreamer source and recompiled it Mar 23 01:16:32 hi all Mar 23 01:17:56 mmm NeXT Mar 23 01:18:43 NeXT what? :) Mar 23 01:18:56 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320230324503&indexURL=3#ebayphotohosting Mar 23 01:19:16 * jott slaps pupnik with a rubber steve jobs Mar 23 01:19:18 ih ih Mar 23 01:29:11 * lcuk_2 builds playtest4 Mar 23 01:29:21 could you please Mar 23 01:29:24 could you please tell me if i can upgrade my development environment to include chinook support? Mar 23 01:30:08 currently i have x86 and armel targets Mar 23 01:32:05 there is an sdk somewhere for chinook - i dunno where though because i use the already self contained vmware image version Mar 23 01:33:08 * koyote just got an n800 (trade for an ipod, if I was paying cash i would have got a 810.) that's 3 weeks old. Mar 23 01:33:50 I think after i cook dinner for wife and kids I am heading to a cafe and flashing it, then seeing what I need to add. (aside from buying a bt keyboard) Mar 23 01:34:13 what will you need it for? Mar 23 01:35:37 can you install software in internet cafe? Mar 23 01:35:56 maybe it has a hotspot Mar 23 01:36:29 good point Mar 23 01:37:07 yeah Mar 23 01:37:14 free wireless most places in town. Mar 23 01:37:54 I've survived extended periods using various pdas as laptops, this looks like it will actually be enjoyable if I get a fold up keyboard Mar 23 01:38:22 I also have an e61, so I may get a keyboard that has symbian drivers. Mar 23 01:38:22 igo ultra-slim is nice Mar 23 01:38:32 I have an eee as a desktop Mar 23 01:38:32 but get the one with numbers row Mar 23 01:39:14 ultra-slim-but-not-quite-super-model-slim Mar 23 01:39:14 I've been n810-only in easter. Mar 23 01:39:34 ultra-slim-enough Mar 23 01:39:35 :) Mar 23 01:39:54 veggen - not a problem, unless of course you are lost and are waiting for gps to kick in Mar 23 01:40:02 getting used to it, but not something I'd be satisfied with for programming etc :) Mar 23 01:40:36 kot, did you try running the book on performance - ie have you seen it at fullspeed? Mar 23 01:40:44 ? Mar 23 01:40:49 nope Mar 23 01:40:59 but n800 and n810 are identical Mar 23 01:41:02 (hw/sw wise) Mar 23 01:41:24 earlier when we were talking governors - if you switch your mode to performance it kicks it into fullspeed... try it on that and see the difference. Mar 23 01:41:43 anyway, what i keep thinking when im scrolling around is this would be really nice for coding in Mar 23 01:43:19 i cant just sudo from default console can i - theres no password available to enter Mar 23 01:43:35 lcuk_2: I haven't clocked up. haven't needed to. Mar 23 01:43:48 but you dont see it at 25fps Mar 23 01:43:56 I do most stuff in emacs, which is a lot lighter weight than the modern office/ide alternatives Mar 23 01:44:18 ahhh sorry - koyote, i wasnt talking to you - i say the k and skipped the rest Mar 23 01:44:25 was intended for kot Mar 23 01:44:27 oh. k :) Mar 23 01:44:39 :) Mar 23 01:45:36 I guess I should ask now, anything I need to be especially aware of? all I'm doing is upgrading firmware via linux (following directions), and then installing software. Mar 23 01:45:49 :) Mar 23 01:45:57 what firmware does it currently have? is it still os2007 or has it already gone up to 2008 Mar 23 01:48:11 2007 Mar 23 01:48:18 go 2008 Mar 23 01:48:21 it's worth it Mar 23 01:48:27 that's my goal Mar 23 01:49:03 right now I have a 4gb sdhc internal and a 2gb sd in the outside slot. Mar 23 01:52:14 actually apps that were available for os2007 are not for os2008. load-applet and unzip come to mind. Mar 23 01:52:26 zip is available Mar 23 01:52:27 load-applet is available Mar 23 01:52:37 i can see it now on mine Mar 23 01:52:45 also there's various archivers gui Mar 23 01:52:52 though i don't remember the name Mar 23 01:53:01 but supports tar/gz/bz2/zip afair Mar 23 01:53:19 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ Mar 23 01:53:34 i can se them in the llist but always get 'file not found' if i try installing them Mar 23 01:54:15 do you use firefox or app-manager? Mar 23 01:55:41 app-manager Mar 23 01:55:47 hum Mar 23 01:55:54 old/bad repos? Mar 23 01:56:22 clean your repos and start again - it gets confused Mar 23 01:59:57 if i go to maemo.org and search for unzip i get a brroken link. Mar 23 02:00:40 i have learned that maemo.org has many 'error 500' links Mar 23 02:00:53 but packages are present in repository anyway Mar 23 02:01:38 if you want to browse them by hand use: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/ Mar 23 02:01:53 hi Mar 23 02:02:00 I have a question Mar 23 02:02:10 unzip is there for example Mar 23 02:02:25 doesn't sound that good. i would expect better value for money Mar 23 02:02:31 anyone? Mar 23 02:02:32 kpel: it's working Mar 23 02:02:48 you probably have some repos broken Mar 23 02:02:53 in app-managed Mar 23 02:02:58 who is willing to help me? Mar 23 02:03:26 Species8472, no1 is going to offer to help if they dont know what the problem is - you must get our interest by letting us know what the problem is Mar 23 02:03:44 THEN we can ignore you :) Mar 23 02:03:52 will you help then lcuk_2? Mar 23 02:04:14 no - i will not put myself in a position i cannot back out of Mar 23 02:04:21 true Mar 23 02:04:24 same here Mar 23 02:04:29 tell us what your problem is and let us try to be nice Mar 23 02:05:38 KotCzarny: the url u gave works. the app-manager doesn't (and the user has to do its job instead). but thanks in any case :) Mar 23 02:05:42 no no no, you have to agree to help first! Mar 23 02:05:56 kpel: it works for me (ie. app-manager) Mar 23 02:06:03 and you need to sign theses NDAs Mar 23 02:06:05 do as lcuk suggested and clean your repos Mar 23 02:06:06 :) Mar 23 02:07:55 ok Proteous, get them posted to me and the contact I need to speak to regarding my billable hours (at standard rate) Mar 23 02:07:59 KotCzarny: i don't doubt it. but i would expect much more from such an expensive toy hence my comment about value for money. Mar 23 02:08:43 kpel: i believe you can reflash it in <1min Mar 23 02:08:49 did you buy it new? if so the default repos should be set and you shouldnt have this problem Mar 23 02:09:13 you can BREAK any toy Mar 23 02:09:33 i had exactly 1 problem when i got mine: bandwidth - nokia were saturated. after it quietened down i was able to get all the software i wanted Mar 23 02:09:34 lcdd: yes new. but it had os2007 on Mar 23 02:10:06 have you been into the app manager and altered the repos? Mar 23 02:10:29 (cos if not then my stance changes :) ) Mar 23 02:11:35 KotCzarny: true. but, in my view, a reflash shouldn't be used to fix such problems. Mar 23 02:11:37 http://www.archive.org/download/Nova_Styrene-Binary_Star/01_Binary_Star_vbr.mp3 music made only with the Apple ][... Mar 23 02:11:46 kpel: but if you messed things up Mar 23 02:12:20 you can't put a blame on developers Mar 23 02:12:22 i remember hearing daisy daisy sung from a computer from the 60s :P Mar 23 02:12:26 haven't changed a thing Mar 23 02:12:29 its a haunting rendition Mar 23 02:12:38 kpel: i don't believe you :> Mar 23 02:12:42 oooer then kpel :P Mar 23 02:12:44 but Mar 23 02:12:53 twhich country are you in ? Mar 23 02:12:55 check if you have extras enabled Mar 23 02:12:56 :) Mar 23 02:13:29 pupnik, that sounds ... strange ... at best Mar 23 02:13:38 was enjoying my nice point'n'click package management and one day i couldn't apply upgrades... oh well Mar 23 02:13:48 ah. Mar 23 02:14:04 have you checked the log? Mar 23 02:14:17 cleans out yer ear-wax don't it lcuk_2 Mar 23 02:14:30 yep. file not found. same msg always Mar 23 02:14:31 thats one way to look at it :D Mar 23 02:14:35 what file? Mar 23 02:14:42 it wont say Mar 23 02:14:44 its the gui Mar 23 02:14:48 uhhum Mar 23 02:14:56 pupnik: see? that's why the Beatles figured there was no real issue with Apple & music, way back then... ;) Mar 23 02:15:39 but it might do ;) Mar 23 02:18:03 KotCzarny: can't tell. 1 minute ago i delete my chinook repos and now unzip is not in the list. never mind, i'll have to reflash it i guess Mar 23 02:18:19 :) Mar 23 02:18:25 unzip is in extras Mar 23 02:18:55 what irks me is that Mar 23 02:19:50 back in the os2007 days there was a tonne of software and no broken links. and now... Mar 23 02:20:13 ok, will look in extras. tjanks Mar 23 02:20:19 there is a discussion about the fragmentation of repos Mar 23 02:20:33 did you come onboard 2007 near the end of its cycle? Mar 23 02:22:59 lcuk_2: yes :( Sep 2007 Mar 23 02:23:32 maybe early october Mar 23 02:24:10 the dust will settle with 2008 as well - lots of new apps are coming out and people are hosting them themselves and so theres a load of repos out there instead of the apps being pushed into maemo stable Mar 23 02:25:09 no matter what nokia do with the devices they will continue to live - your choice of device proves it - and it will grow Mar 23 02:26:13 meanwhile, the extras url pasted above doesn't seem to have unzip. but i'm not going to need it so it's ok ;) Mar 23 02:26:20 hi, how would i execute a command on boot? Mar 23 02:27:00 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ Mar 23 02:27:03 kpel: Mar 23 02:27:04 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ Mar 23 02:27:09 eh Mar 23 02:27:10 :) Mar 23 02:27:11 2nd Mar 23 02:27:14 lol Mar 23 02:27:24 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/extrasrepositoryprocessdefinition/ Mar 23 02:27:28 didnt think you would post crap Mar 23 02:27:58 pupnik, would you like a playtest? Mar 23 02:28:04 lcdd: i'm not sure about my choice really. especially now that an sdk for the iphone is out there. we'll see. Mar 23 02:28:15 yes i would like to try it Mar 23 02:28:50 iphone apps? 1 at a time, no networking, no music, apple get to choose - its shiney, but its not fun Mar 23 02:29:13 i think i saw your address on your site gimme a min ill mail you Mar 23 02:30:07 KotCzarny: this is what i saw in 'u': Mar 23 02:30:53 parent dir, ukmp Mar 23 02:31:18 and index.html Mar 23 02:31:25 kpel: are you sure you copy pasted my link EXACTLY ? Mar 23 02:31:38 * pupnik is hungry for some copypasta Mar 23 02:33:17 KotCzarny: no. i clicked on it. could it be a permission thing? the direct url to the unziip dir doesn't work. Mar 23 02:34:41 kpel: that's strange Mar 23 02:35:27 i wish i could paste in this xchat thing. brb, i'm going to usee my pc Mar 23 02:35:35 :) Mar 23 02:36:00 let's see now Mar 23 02:37:15 KotCzarny: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/unzip/ works like a charm from my xubuntu pc Mar 23 02:37:30 that's it, i'm flashing the bloody thing :) Mar 23 02:37:34 :) Mar 23 02:38:51 i really don't understand why with N800 i get this "Sorry, I can't find that file" message. It sort of shakes me belief to rational thinking :) Mar 23 02:38:53 lol Mar 23 02:39:53 rational thinking is overrated anyway Mar 23 02:40:12 i still prefer it to emotional 'thinking' Mar 23 02:40:13 :) Mar 23 02:40:20 oh yeah Mar 23 02:45:08 hi, i have compiled the latest gstreamer with plugins on maemo 4.1 scratchbox and copied it over onto n810. I get the following error when I run gst-inspect : gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdeinterlace.so: undefined symbol: gst_video_format_get_row_stride Mar 23 02:45:19 gst-inspect-0.10[3227]: GLIB WARNING ** GStreamer - Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstaudiofx.so: undefined symbol: gst_type_register_static_full Mar 23 02:45:40 many lines of gst_type_register_static_full prints out for different plugins Mar 23 02:45:49 how do I go about resolving this? any ideas? Mar 23 02:47:06 mismatched packages? Mar 23 02:52:31 could you elaborate on mismatched packages? Mar 23 02:52:54 mismatched packages that are preinstalled on the device or mismatch between the gstreamer sources that i recompiled Mar 23 02:54:24 cool lcuk_2 :) Mar 23 02:54:31 i lurv it Mar 23 02:56:05 now i just have to suss out how to run it at fullspeed without needing to alter entire config - kots has the only possible avenue so far which doesnt involve me simply adding dummy code into the blit Mar 23 02:57:08 (did you see the color test btw?) Mar 23 02:58:16 hey lcuk_2 can i see your demo/preview too? Mar 23 02:58:39 of course, pm me your address Mar 23 02:59:09 * lcuk_2 will get an uploadable version somewhere soon enough Mar 23 02:59:13 sometimes the colorcube movement slows down Mar 23 02:59:30 are you using -turbo as a root? Mar 23 02:59:37 ah no Mar 23 02:59:46 it slows down because the damned cpu thinks its not busy and can slow down **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 23 02:59:56 2008