**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 24 02:59:57 2008 Mar 24 03:04:46 KotCzarny: I'm not too up on SG, bacause I never could get my hands on one....would they make good media center machines? Playing videos, music, ripping, converting movies to various formats? Mar 24 03:05:03 erm Mar 24 03:05:07 nope Mar 24 03:05:10 :) Mar 24 03:05:15 they're kinda old by now Mar 24 03:05:20 :( Mar 24 03:05:31 they look so geek shiek Mar 24 03:05:38 in fact nice/quiet tablet will do you better Mar 24 03:05:55 for converting? Mar 24 03:06:00 yup Mar 24 03:06:22 u dont mean the N800/810's do you? Mar 24 03:06:35 more like pentium-m based tablet Mar 24 03:06:40 lol..ok... Mar 24 03:06:41 or coreduo Mar 24 03:07:19 so what ae the SGI's good for today? other that a noth in the geek belt Mar 24 03:07:23 notch Mar 24 03:07:32 education? Mar 24 03:07:33 :) Mar 24 03:08:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/11/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-price-drop-down-by-90/ Nokia N810 down to $331.49 with coupon (USA!) Mar 24 03:08:08 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Mar 24 03:08:14 how one gets a coupon? Mar 24 03:08:19 I coulda sold the wife on that! Mar 24 03:08:36 I think I like the 800 better Mar 24 03:08:44 so I'll live Mar 24 03:08:47 me too Mar 24 03:09:04 I like the cam and the dual sd's Mar 24 03:09:32 is there an ap to modify the color quality on the N800? Mar 24 03:09:37 ah. included in the post Mar 24 03:09:37 :) Mar 24 03:10:08 all those price reductions look like a sale Mar 24 03:10:09 :) Mar 24 03:12:24 for that "cam" you like? Mar 24 03:12:36 I don't think so, they all seem to have the same problems and I see nothing but complaints ;-) Mar 24 03:12:47 (the 810 is the same) Mar 24 03:13:02 are they all too yellow? Mar 24 03:13:15 I believe so, yes Mar 24 03:13:17 I know mine is Mar 24 03:13:18 lol...yeah, for the cam I like Mar 24 03:13:27 and noisy as hell Mar 24 03:13:33 i like being able to turn it Mar 24 03:13:40 yeah it is Mar 24 03:13:51 but, for the purpose, it's good Mar 24 03:13:56 not great Mar 24 03:14:07 elb: i believe nice motionblur could take care of some noise Mar 24 03:14:08 :) Mar 24 03:14:08 I'm not sure what its purpose is Mar 24 03:14:13 I vew the webcam as a gimmick Mar 24 03:14:28 'better to have than not to' ? Mar 24 03:14:31 like the cameras in phones ... people who are easily dazzled by shiny objects are that much more impressed Mar 24 03:14:37 it would be nice if it were a 2MPixel Mar 24 03:14:42 lol... Mar 24 03:14:44 wow: not really Mar 24 03:14:51 bandwidth would kill it Mar 24 03:14:52 :) Mar 24 03:15:01 right now at vga it's 4fps Mar 24 03:15:02 I like the cam on my krzr k1 Mar 24 03:15:02 :) Mar 24 03:15:18 like bandwidth kills xMP phonecams Mar 24 03:15:30 and it prevents digital cameras from working Mar 24 03:15:35 :) Mar 24 03:15:59 it foule be nice to have the highmp and drop it down for video over the net Mar 24 03:16:07 fould=would Mar 24 03:16:12 you likely couldn't do 2MP at 15fps or whatever the current camera provides Mar 24 03:16:12 lcuk: but i'm saying even now cam slowness can produce distorted shots Mar 24 03:16:34 KotCzarny: that's almost certainly a camera problem, not a bandwidth problem Mar 24 03:16:45 although I suppose it's possible that the processor itself reads the CCD Mar 24 03:16:50 :) Mar 24 03:16:51 yeah. gotta be very very still...it is useless for stills Mar 24 03:16:55 lord knows *I* wouldn't design it that way Mar 24 03:17:14 maybe it's connected via gpios Mar 24 03:17:14 ;) Mar 24 03:17:34 i wouldnt design it - i would pick one from the shelf which just worked - it comes down to linux being black sheep - why can the other n series devices have better? Mar 24 03:17:58 if i find a broke one on ebay I'm gonna tear it apart and see what can be hacked inside Mar 24 03:18:01 well, there's always a question of whether the other n-series device cameras can be reasonably fitted Mar 24 03:18:13 better? Mar 24 03:18:15 particularly with embedded processors, you never know what's processor-side and what's device-side Mar 24 03:18:23 what we gain in configurability we lose in hardware quality - gps = FAIL camera = FAIL Mar 24 03:18:28 screen = Hello! Mar 24 03:18:30 the gps is fine Mar 24 03:18:33 u mean better cam? or OS? Mar 24 03:18:43 people cry like babies that theirs suck Mar 24 03:18:46 maybe they had some spares in warehouse.. Mar 24 03:18:46 but mine is fast and accurate ;-) Mar 24 03:18:56 it compares reasonably with my Garmin Mar 24 03:18:57 how do you make videos with the pad? the "camera" app only takes pictures Mar 24 03:19:03 it is great and fast and accurate IF I CAN GET A LOCK! Mar 24 03:19:14 yeah, see, I haven't had that problem Mar 24 03:19:23 i use it so infrequently that ive probably rebooted in between using it Mar 24 03:19:33 mine locks from cold in <2m Mar 24 03:19:36 but i have just had to buy missus a map Mar 24 03:19:47 because when she needed it it failed Mar 24 03:19:54 that said, I use my Garmin Mar 24 03:20:10 the mapper application they want me to pay money for sucks, and maemo mapper requires that I've fetched maps ahead of time Mar 24 03:20:14 HI Mar 24 03:20:33 what about google map? Mar 24 03:20:37 elb: sd cards are cheap Mar 24 03:20:38 :) Mar 24 03:20:44 we werent bothered about play by play talking map - just knowing where you are so you can rectify self would have sufficed Mar 24 03:20:54 google map == only when connected Mar 24 03:20:55 that's what I use the garmin for Mar 24 03:20:56 is there an app to use the tablet as a video camera? Mar 24 03:20:59 mine has only major roads on it Mar 24 03:21:06 it can have area maps downloaded ... but not from Linux Mar 24 03:21:08 but we bought 810 because it had gps Mar 24 03:21:27 (partly - it was mainly drool) Mar 24 03:25:27 elb: u said yours locks in <2 min in cold. How cold? the *00 or 810? Mar 24 03:25:30 800 Mar 24 03:26:34 the 800 has no GPS, so ... the 810 Mar 24 03:26:42 it could be bt gps Mar 24 03:26:45 or are you confused by what we mean by "lock"? Mar 24 03:27:16 I mean that the GPS typically collects enough satellite data to locate itself in <2m, even when it has not had a recent satellite fix Mar 24 03:27:34 elb: most people are not that lucky Mar 24 03:27:35 :> Mar 24 03:27:39 I keep hearing that Mar 24 03:27:51 maybe you have good satellite exposure? Mar 24 03:27:52 elb are you in a city? Mar 24 03:27:58 or on a hilltop? Mar 24 03:28:02 HAH Mar 24 03:28:07 I'm in Indiana, there ARE no hills ;-) Mar 24 03:28:20 I'm in a city, but not a very "tall" city Mar 24 03:28:23 but are there big buildings and rf noise and stuff Mar 24 03:28:32 RF noise is plentiful Mar 24 03:28:56 I get the impression that Europeans tend to have a dismal experience, specifically Mar 24 03:29:16 i wonder if thats because of the defaults in the driver Mar 24 03:29:22 i have probs in england Mar 24 03:29:30 I'm not sure how sensitive GPS is to latitude Mar 24 03:29:38 shouldnt be at all Mar 24 03:29:42 the satellites will be physically farther away in northern latitudes Mar 24 03:29:47 theres 21 sats out there Mar 24 03:29:55 spinning the earth Mar 24 03:30:03 yes, but the earth is non-spherical Mar 24 03:30:21 for some purposes, *significantly* non-spherical Mar 24 03:30:24 I don't know about GPS purposes Mar 24 03:30:50 but....and this is the killer...other gps devies dont have a problem... Mar 24 03:31:01 yeah, but that's 100% irrelevant Mar 24 03:31:13 if the 810's antenna is marginal, for example, and that distance does matter Mar 24 03:31:15 nokia is european company Mar 24 03:31:25 so they probably tested it there Mar 24 03:31:26 :> Mar 24 03:31:49 yes, but that doesn't say much about the software defaults Mar 24 03:32:05 elb - i agree - its a design flaw. hopefully a partial plaster can be applied to the driver to stop it being annoying - but they fucked up Mar 24 03:32:05 but spherically wise.. Mar 24 03:32:06 :) Mar 24 03:32:36 sure, but it *does* work in Europe Mar 24 03:32:41 and I'm not even certain there's a correlation Mar 24 03:33:07 I just notice that most of the complaints come from Europeans, whereas I've seen several Americans (both central and north) note that they have no problems) Mar 24 03:33:29 * lcuk is from england Mar 24 03:33:32 I bring up the north/south point only because most central and north americans are south of most Europeans Mar 24 03:33:35 normally stands in line politely Mar 24 03:33:59 I'm including England in "Europe" for this purpose Mar 24 03:34:01 island or no ;-) Mar 24 03:34:16 "hey, look at my cool nokia - its got gps" ....15 minutes later... "it does connect eventually" ...crickets... "look, its got a funky led in the corner" Mar 24 03:34:37 it takes away the coolness :( Mar 24 03:34:51 yeah, I don't even show people the GPS Mar 24 03:34:57 'hey, look at my wintec, it takes lock in 2s' Mar 24 03:34:59 :) Mar 24 03:34:59 the mapping applications are too insufficient Mar 24 03:35:12 no GPS takes a lock in less than about 45s from cold Mar 24 03:35:22 (warm locks are an entirely different matter) Mar 24 03:35:32 agreed entirely Mar 24 03:35:32 still 810 is slow Mar 24 03:35:36 even on warm locks Mar 24 03:35:42 well, let me take that back -- assisted GPS can Mar 24 03:35:48 On the N810? Mar 24 03:36:07 yeah, my 810's warm locks seem to be 20-30s Mar 24 03:36:15 3. Time to First Fix (TTFF) : < Average 3.5/34 sec. (Hot/Cold start) Mar 24 03:36:17 http://www.semsons.com/wiwbmu3gpsre2.html Mar 24 03:36:33 I'm having a doubt Mar 24 03:36:46 that second figure should be closer to 45s, and that's dictated by the GPS protocol Mar 24 03:36:57 Hide a bluetooth gps receiver in your pocket Mar 24 03:36:58 it's quite a recent product Mar 24 03:37:04 recent product doesn't matter Mar 24 03:37:14 the actual data streams from the satellites are only so fast Mar 24 03:37:39 1500bps repeated every 30sec Mar 24 03:37:58 then the best case is 30s ? Mar 24 03:38:20 30s assumes that every single satellite is just starting its stream the instant you start listening Mar 24 03:38:28 sorry - 1500 bits in 30 seconds repeated Mar 24 03:39:02 ....Navigation Message at 50 bit/s giving the time-of-day.....). The messages are sent in frames, each taking 30 seconds to transmit 1500 bits. Mar 24 03:39:07 so they pause? or receiver has to wait for 'start of a frame' ? Mar 24 03:39:07 34s might be reasonable on a hilltop, with clear view of the low horizon all around Mar 24 03:39:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System Mar 24 03:39:34 still better than 30min on 810 Mar 24 03:39:35 :> Mar 24 03:39:36 you have to find at least four satellites for a 3D fix, and hear an entire frame from each Mar 24 03:39:47 the data from a frame is valid for 2 hours Mar 24 03:40:01 you only have to download it if its out of date Mar 24 03:40:57 the almanac however is sent over MULTIPLE frames - to get entire almanac in best conditions is 12.5 minutes Mar 24 03:41:21 Each frame contains 1/25th of the almanac, Mar 24 03:41:26 yeah, that only matters when you have no idea where you are, or it's been a LONG time since your last lock Mar 24 03:41:38 (I'm not sure how long) Mar 24 03:41:59 no, the almanac is basically longterm Mar 24 03:42:12 so it can be in firmware? Mar 24 03:42:44 but to me it feels like this is getting updated quite often - i wonder if you left it locking ALL day over a clear area whether it would get ALL available data for all visible sats Mar 24 03:42:54 not firmware ... but long-term storage Mar 24 03:42:55 but sats die and are replaced Mar 24 03:43:19 you don't have to see all satellites to get the almanac for all satellites Mar 24 03:43:26 even when locked - kinda give it time to see every possible available sat and get all data from it over the course of a day Mar 24 03:43:41 The almanac consists of coarse orbit and status information for each satellite in the constellation, Mar 24 03:43:53 and then you can throw WAAS into the mix Mar 24 03:44:02 I'm not sure if the 810 can use it or not Mar 24 03:44:08 n older hardware, lack of an almanac in a new receiver would cause long delays before providing a valid position, because the search for each satellite was a slow process. Mar 24 03:44:58 you are right elb: each satellite transmits only its own ephemeris, but transmits an almanac for all satellites. Mar 24 03:44:59 sounds like a 810 case Mar 24 03:45:00 :> Mar 24 03:45:32 reading that doe Mar 24 03:45:33 s Mar 24 03:46:10 what OS do bluetooth gps devices run? Mar 24 03:47:32 not linux Mar 24 03:47:35 for sure Mar 24 03:47:36 :) Mar 24 03:48:26 Vista. Mar 24 03:48:36 i would hate to have to get bt gps device for the car, but its looking likely. heh gen Mar 24 03:49:08 can you use them to store up tripdata and squirt once the 810 connects? Mar 24 03:49:10 Woo N800 Mar 24 03:49:24 N800 + shit loads of money Mar 24 03:49:25 Depends on the device. Mar 24 03:49:25 yup Mar 24 03:49:38 i-blue 747 stores points Mar 24 03:49:43 lcuk, that wintec has 128k waypoints Mar 24 03:49:55 You'd have to setup the software to dump it when it connects, though. Mar 24 03:49:59 Actually, it may only dump over USB Mar 24 03:50:00 not sure. Mar 24 03:50:16 BT GPS costs $50 Mar 24 03:50:22 Still cheaper than an N810. :P Mar 24 03:50:37 yer i know - i would wire it in so it never needs charging Mar 24 03:50:39 lcuk: http://www.zen35309.zen.co.uk/gps/ Mar 24 03:50:39 :) Mar 24 03:52:00 nice! Mar 24 03:55:41 right, i think i need to go to bed Mar 24 03:55:45 go go Mar 24 03:55:46 :) Mar 24 04:06:46 huh - it just occurred to me to run apache on my desktop so I could stream content to my N800 Mar 24 04:06:53 :) Mar 24 04:07:05 but streaming high def video doesn't work so well Mar 24 04:07:09 ;) Mar 24 04:07:10 mediautils.garage.maemo.org Mar 24 04:07:33 any idea what the maximum resolution is for video processing? Mar 24 04:07:46 Depends on bitrate and "action". Mar 24 04:08:05 400 for width is a good compromise Mar 24 04:08:16 For relatively sedate stuff, 5xx horizontal with around 600-1000Kbps bitrate works very well for me Mar 24 04:08:22 with just a touch of framedrop in the high-action stuff. Mar 24 04:08:53 For guaranteed perfect playback, 400x240 (fit whichever dimension is hit a limit first) at around 800-1400Kbps works very well. Mar 24 04:09:04 (MPEG4 video and MP3 audio) Mar 24 04:09:30 thanks - seems like you have those numbers well memorized Mar 24 04:09:53 I've chattered them off . . . a lot. Mar 24 04:10:09 Oh, also, there's some overhead with streaming stuff Mar 24 04:10:09 are there ways you can improve performance of video playback? running a different media player or shutting down something or any optimization? Mar 24 04:10:14 So stick to 400x240 for that Mar 24 04:10:18 5xx is for local playback. Mar 24 04:10:25 mplayer Mar 24 04:10:30 Install that Mar 24 04:10:40 But that's about as much as you can do. Mar 24 04:10:58 Okay, thanks very much Mar 24 04:16:48 hmm Mar 24 04:17:05 calibration is broken after screen rotation Mar 24 04:21:30 hello Mar 24 04:21:48 i just installed gizmo, and i'm trying to get it to work on my nokia 770 Mar 24 04:22:01 i can call and the other side can hear me, but i can't hear them Mar 24 04:22:08 i also tried echo calls etc.. any ideas? Mar 24 04:22:24 NAT issues Mar 24 04:22:39 on my laptop tho, everything works fine Mar 24 04:22:44 same router Mar 24 04:23:34 Are you port forwarding to the laptop? Mar 24 04:24:23 hmmm Mar 24 04:24:24 yes Mar 24 04:24:30 i think this could be the problem Mar 24 04:24:35 There's your answer. Mar 24 04:24:43 thanks Mar 24 04:24:45 will try Mar 24 04:25:16 sweey Mar 24 04:25:20 sweet* Mar 24 04:25:22 it works Mar 24 04:25:25 STUN should be able to get you through. Mar 24 04:25:38 No guarantees, though. Mar 24 04:25:50 so it is technically possible to get gizmo working from public wifi? Mar 24 04:26:18 It should "just work", but I really haven't investigated thoroughly. Mar 24 04:26:23 pl Mar 24 04:26:25 ok* Mar 24 04:26:26 So I'm not sure what all is involved. Mar 24 04:26:35 You may try google Mar 24 04:26:37 so why is the party line offline? Mar 24 04:26:40 i'm bored :( Mar 24 04:26:53 No need to search for anything specific to maemo. Mar 24 04:27:26 nice thanks GeneralAntilles Mar 24 04:27:35 Sure Mar 24 04:27:36 i've been looking for something like gizmo for ages Mar 24 04:27:48 and now it works on my Nokia 770 :) Mar 24 04:27:54 Don't remember what the status is with rtcomm on the 770. Mar 24 04:27:57 But you may look into it. Mar 24 04:28:13 Lighter weight than running the Gizmo application Mar 24 04:28:17 better integrated, too. Mar 24 04:28:19 i wonder if it is safe to put it near my head for prolonged periods Mar 24 04:28:32 GeneralAntilles, thanks will check it out Mar 24 04:28:34 No uranium in it. :P Mar 24 04:28:47 there's still wifi tho :) Mar 24 04:28:52 2.4GHz Mar 24 04:28:57 and stupid low power Mar 24 04:29:00 wont do anything to you. Mar 24 04:29:04 nice Mar 24 04:29:06 get headphones Mar 24 04:29:09 then Mar 24 04:29:23 ya i think ill do that Mar 24 04:29:35 btw. you can set txpower to 10mW Mar 24 04:29:37 or just use it anyway Mar 24 04:29:42 if you're afraid of wifi Mar 24 04:29:48 it's in advanced tab Mar 24 04:29:51 KotCzarny, how do i do that? Mar 24 04:29:59 ok Mar 24 04:30:00 when you configure your connection Mar 24 04:30:05 i'm not really afraid of wifi Mar 24 04:30:33 i mean, i do use a cell phone Mar 24 04:30:38 which is probably worse than wifi Mar 24 04:30:47 and i think they put that option there because of iceland Mar 24 04:31:13 (in iceland allowed wifi power for devices is ~10mW) Mar 24 04:31:44 KotCzarny, advanced tab where? Mar 24 04:32:01 when you configure your wifi connection Mar 24 04:32:06 next all the way till the end Mar 24 04:32:14 and there's 'advanced' Mar 24 04:32:39 and it's somewhere there Mar 24 04:33:13 KotCzarny, nice Mar 24 04:33:16 found it\ Mar 24 04:33:19 :) Mar 24 04:33:27 it was 100mw Mar 24 04:33:30 isn't that a lot? Mar 24 04:33:33 nope Mar 24 04:33:40 it's a 'max' anyway Mar 24 04:33:59 so if connection quality is good device will transmit less power anyway Mar 24 04:34:04 ok Mar 24 04:34:08 (and i have to drop 'anyway') Mar 24 04:34:20 Normal Mar 24 04:34:24 10mw wont get you much range. Mar 24 04:34:39 in my bedroom it's workiong ok Mar 24 04:34:47 keeping in mind the router is in the same room Mar 24 04:34:56 albeit on the other side Mar 24 04:35:50 i like my 770 Mar 24 04:36:20 what os? Mar 24 04:36:40 2006 Mar 24 04:36:52 if you're bored try 2007 Mar 24 04:36:52 :> Mar 24 04:36:53 should i upgrade? Mar 24 04:36:57 ah Mar 24 04:36:59 nah Mar 24 04:37:07 if it's working for you Mar 24 04:37:07 KotCzarny, what kinds of things will i notice? Mar 24 04:37:16 don't know Mar 24 04:37:18 2006 is a little slow Mar 24 04:37:23 i have seen only 2008 Mar 24 04:37:23 but that's ok Mar 24 04:37:28 :) Mar 24 04:37:40 i'd like to get n810 Mar 24 04:37:43 but i have no money :) Mar 24 04:37:47 :) Mar 24 04:37:50 get n800 Mar 24 04:37:53 maybe when i pay off my visa Mar 24 04:38:12 the sliding keyboard looks nice Mar 24 04:39:41 i wanna call someone Mar 24 04:41:10 lol Mar 24 04:41:52 bored Mar 24 04:42:53 I'd at least try OS2007HE and OS2008HE. Mar 24 04:43:00 Personally, I run OS2008HE on both my 770s. Mar 24 04:43:05 It's surprisingly quick. Mar 24 04:44:17 nice Mar 24 04:44:23 GeneralAntilles, doesn't crash? Mar 24 04:44:27 do you think gizmo would work on it? Mar 24 04:46:13 you're the bored one Mar 24 04:46:16 :) Mar 24 04:46:41 heh Mar 24 04:47:19 * KotCzarny is having fun with maemo-maps Mar 24 04:53:16 Not any worse than OS2006, pppoe_dude. Mar 24 04:53:21 At least, not as far as I can remember. Mar 24 04:53:31 The upgrades are certainly worth any instability, anyway. Mar 24 05:03:15 heya, pppoe_dude, I know you from -offtopic -- you got a nokia 770 ? Mar 24 05:03:41 m-c, yes a while ago :) Mar 24 05:03:42 these tablets are a lot of fun Mar 24 05:04:00 definitely Mar 24 05:04:02 just now getting VoIP working? ah - a shame! Mar 24 05:04:14 hehe Mar 24 05:04:20 I love the cheap calling over wifi Mar 24 05:04:26 it is defeinitely a lot fun Mar 24 05:04:38 it is just like a phone ;) Mar 24 05:04:48 better Mar 24 05:04:50 :) Mar 24 05:04:55 yes better Mar 24 05:04:55 I am going to switch to my N800 as my primary phone when my cell contract runs out Mar 24 05:04:56 :) Mar 24 05:05:01 in one year Mar 24 05:05:17 i wanna get an n800 or n810 when i have money Mar 24 05:05:26 the n800 is a great bargain Mar 24 05:05:46 i got my 770 for $150 CAD Mar 24 05:06:03 but after seeing the maps in OS2008, I can see why a GPS would be nice, too Mar 24 05:06:36 is that pre-USD-parity CAD? ;) Mar 24 05:06:41 * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ Mar 24 05:06:43 :) Mar 24 05:06:50 yes pre Mar 24 05:06:54 LS Mar 24 05:06:56 :S * Mar 24 05:07:14 this march Mar 24 05:07:15 ;) Mar 24 05:07:30 maybe i should have gotten an n800 Mar 24 05:07:35 and maybe i got ripped off Mar 24 05:07:44 :> Mar 24 05:07:56 you still have time Mar 24 05:08:04 it's not much money, either way - and you'll find a use for two if you get a second one Mar 24 05:08:10 before n810 successor comes out Mar 24 05:08:26 yeah, multiplayer bt games Mar 24 05:08:27 :> Mar 24 05:08:55 oh, man, that'd be neat Mar 24 05:09:02 hmm Mar 24 05:09:13 maybe i should get n800 then Mar 24 05:09:39 probably repeating myself, but the Ur'Quan Master game package is like artwork on my N800. Way better than the PC original Mar 24 05:09:49 where did you get it from KotCzarny ? Mar 24 05:10:28 second hand in nyc Mar 24 05:10:44 CompUSA was going out of business and selling N800s at $225 Mar 24 05:11:08 I bought mine new at $300 with 2x 4GB memory Mar 24 05:11:38 so, no matter what you choose, it's still pretty cheap Mar 24 05:11:42 yup Mar 24 05:11:50 and a terrific bargain Mar 24 05:11:52 i wanted 770 Mar 24 05:11:58 when they came out Mar 24 05:12:21 but never gathered to buy it Mar 24 05:12:27 maybe ill wait a little Mar 24 05:12:32 until i have a bit of extra money Mar 24 05:14:45 So owning a N8x0 has given me this unhealthy desire to see wifi everywhere Mar 24 05:15:02 :> Mar 24 05:15:42 I've just donated $500 to a charity that promotes creating nodes in Seattle, and I am thinking about setting up some mesh networks myself Mar 24 05:16:23 :> Mar 24 05:17:11 I am fascinated with the idea that we might all own these pocket communication devices that run on open Linux technologies. Mar 24 05:18:30 hey, what type of wifi does the N800 have? Mar 24 05:18:35 a/b/g ? Mar 24 05:19:20 bg Mar 24 05:19:46 huh - I have a 802.11g access point, and the file transfer seems slow Mar 24 05:19:53 I'll check the settings on the AP Mar 24 05:20:01 thanks Mar 24 05:20:51 Oh, sorry, one more question, how do I stop pop up windows with the Firefox browser? Mar 24 05:21:14 oops, nm! Mar 24 05:21:35 duh - it was so obvious I missed it. I must have looked in Settings three times, and did not see it Mar 24 05:21:50 :) Mar 24 05:27:04 is there any gps for n800 os2008? Mar 24 05:29:42 m-c, that would be nice Mar 24 05:30:05 omnipresent internet Mar 24 05:32:24 .exe files can work on n800? Mar 24 05:33:05 Which side of the N800 device is the antenna? Mar 24 05:34:04 Italodance: no, I don't think so Mar 24 05:34:59 m-c: http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/N800Opening Mar 24 05:35:05 more n800 pr0n Mar 24 05:35:13 m-c is there any gps for n800 os2008? Mar 24 05:35:15 *drool* Mar 24 05:35:57 any BT GPS should work with os2008 Mar 24 05:35:59 Italodance: not really - unless you configure the USB to host an external device Mar 24 05:36:14 oh, right bluetooth Mar 24 05:36:21 I forgot Mar 24 05:36:30 m-c tnx Mar 24 05:36:48 yeah, and some cell phones publish the gps info through bluetooth too Mar 24 05:39:00 m-c what's ur mplayer version? Mar 24 05:39:25 I just use media player Mar 24 05:39:43 version? Mar 24 05:40:02 dunno Mar 24 05:40:05 ok Mar 24 05:40:14 os2008 yes? Mar 24 05:40:20 anyway Mar 24 05:44:58 http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/770Disassembly Mar 24 05:45:00 wow Mar 24 05:45:04 770 pr0n too Mar 24 05:45:04 :> Mar 24 05:48:19 ! Mar 24 05:48:28 awww, you owe me naked ladies :( Mar 24 05:48:38 me? Mar 24 05:49:26 * doc|home thinks you missed the joke :/ Mar 24 05:49:41 probably Mar 24 05:49:42 :) Mar 24 05:49:53 http://picasaweb.google.com/thoughtfix/NokiaNseriesUnlockedSept272007/photo#5115343511397099362 Mar 24 05:49:54 :) Mar 24 05:50:07 o.O Mar 24 05:50:16 b800 orgy sluts! Mar 24 05:50:18 *n800 Mar 24 05:50:33 gang.. view? Mar 24 05:52:02 heh Mar 24 05:52:09 oh wow ZynAddSubFX is fun Mar 24 05:52:23 ? Mar 24 05:52:31 what's that? Mar 24 05:52:32 :) Mar 24 05:52:43 software music synthesizer Mar 24 05:52:47 i see Mar 24 05:53:09 hehe @ tablet pron Mar 24 05:53:42 * KotCzarny takes IT and goes to the toilet Mar 24 05:53:43 ;) Mar 24 05:53:56 gotta love how compact they are Mar 24 05:54:10 compared to the tablets that pandora board is a monster Mar 24 05:54:21 (but who cares) Mar 24 06:13:16 * KotCzarny downloads pois Mar 24 06:31:02 WormFood, np :-). lived in shanghai for a year back in 98. Mar 24 06:31:48 lag? Mar 24 06:33:46 KotCzarny, mental one for sure :-) Mar 24 06:34:07 :) Mar 24 06:45:58 Anyone gives me a example pipeline to show how hantro4100dec element and hantro4200enc are used? Thanks Mar 24 06:47:36 huh? Mar 24 06:52:16 I want to used it to receive stream video from PC which is compressed in MPEG4. But I found that the elements that ffmpeg4_enc is not available in N800.Any help Mar 24 06:53:27 Just connect to an http stream using mplayer? Mar 24 06:54:22 Better yet: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 24 06:56:11 No exactly. Using tcpserversink and tcpclientsrc these two elements Mar 24 07:05:00 jacky ffmpeg4 is available with mplayer for n800 Mar 24 07:06:29 Can I use it in gstreamer? Mar 24 07:06:42 strange https://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ all download sections are off:? Mar 24 07:07:02 jacky_ don't know and never try but u do! Mar 24 07:09:16 https://maemo.org/downloads is down??????/ Mar 24 07:09:37 maybe it's just shy. Mar 24 07:09:52 Works fine here. Mar 24 07:10:39 ok tnx Mar 24 07:12:24 remove the s from https Mar 24 07:12:29 and will be fine Mar 24 07:12:55 man, i cannot believe some of the excuses on the 24 hour bug Mar 24 07:13:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 Mar 24 07:13:08 RESOURCE issues?!?!? Mar 24 07:13:32 i have several pdas from the early 90s with far more limited resources that ca handle a 12/24 settings Mar 24 07:16:29 Tama^2 yes right Mar 24 07:16:56 but not yet ...try later Mar 24 07:19:48 here is my old problem https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 damn maemo Mar 24 07:19:55 i use proxy Mar 24 07:22:06 Obviously it's not as simple as you think it is, koyote, or it would already be fixed. ;) Mar 24 07:23:00 Iran isn't a country they sell the device in. Mar 24 07:23:05 Why would they support it? Mar 24 07:23:56 GeneralAntilles: nah, i don't think so Mar 24 07:24:14 someone in the system made a poor decision and has gottne ego attached to defendng it with bogons Mar 24 07:24:20 hard to back down from that. Mar 24 07:24:32 Yeah, no. Mar 24 07:24:36 GeneralAntilles ummm don't know but nokia has many official shops here Mar 24 07:24:47 Nokia != N800/N810 Mar 24 07:24:55 Nokia sells phones all over the planet Mar 24 07:24:57 GeneralAntilles no Mar 24 07:25:05 Nokia DOES NOT sell N800s and N810s all over the planet. Mar 24 07:25:13 GeneralAntilles i bought mine from dubai Mar 24 07:25:17 at the VERY least, cutting and pasting 2 locale files and making the 24 hour mods in them would take maybe 3 hours. Mar 24 07:25:38 IF you were unfamiliar with the file format to begin with Mar 24 07:25:45 koyote: do you prefer a straight ncurses angband? Mar 24 07:26:06 pupnik: honestly, i like either a full xaw of vanilla ncurses. Mar 24 07:26:13 interchangeably. Mar 24 07:26:34 the window management wouldn't work well on the tablet Mar 24 07:26:55 GeneralAntilles i can use only proxy for their shit block and they are stupid..i bought my n800 about 400 usd Mar 24 07:26:55 I'm not terribly comfortable with the deps on the current version. Mar 24 07:27:03 nor am i Mar 24 07:27:23 Why do you expect them to support you in a country that they don't sell the device in? Mar 24 07:27:37 straight ncurses would be fine. tiles aren't really needed. Mar 24 07:27:48 the nethack port is a huge piece of work - practically a whole new gui Mar 24 07:27:50 GeneralAntilles i am only one? what is their problem here? Mar 24 07:28:09 pupnik: did you ever see the port of moria for the palm? Mar 24 07:28:13 nope Mar 24 07:28:19 good stuff? Mar 24 07:28:35 it kept the keyboard commands, but put in simple command menus and a touch screen interface for movement Mar 24 07:28:38 really simple. Mar 24 07:28:58 http://roguelike-palm.sourceforge.net/kMoria/ Mar 24 07:30:12 but ncurses with keyboard support would end up working for me, personally Mar 24 07:30:15 koyote: same approach on nethack for maemo Mar 24 07:30:44 angband allows you to choose the old roguelike keymaps for lack of deicated number keys Mar 24 07:31:14 dedicated Mar 24 07:31:39 GeneralAntilles do u know them? Mar 24 07:31:54 Who? Mar 24 07:32:26 maemo nokia staff... can u explain them about me? Mar 24 07:32:27 i'll try to whip up a deb right now Mar 24 07:32:33 Ha Mar 24 07:32:34 No Mar 24 07:32:41 That's way above the maemo guys, anyway. Mar 24 07:33:31 pupnik: okay. I'm about to reflash the n800 and get set to clone it so i can run off the 4gb sd card i have internally Mar 24 07:33:38 GeneralAntilles how can i solve my problem? what's ur opinion? Mar 24 07:33:51 Don't buy devices that are unsupported in your country. Mar 24 07:34:06 Or move or use a proxy. Mar 24 07:34:07 it seems to be the most sensible route for me to get a full binutils/bash/emacs environment Mar 24 07:34:24 GeneralAntilles what about maemo staff? Mar 24 07:34:25 Italodance: what, exactly, is the problem? Mar 24 07:34:36 They have nothing to do with distribution decisions. Mar 24 07:35:11 koyote read here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 Mar 24 07:36:29 and this is verified as an issue with your internet route? Mar 24 07:36:42 Iran is unsupported. Mar 24 07:36:55 koyote i think maemo blocked here Mar 24 07:36:59 it's weird that IE/FF seem to work though Mar 24 07:37:10 then you need a shell in another country. Mar 24 07:37:10 Italodance, you can download using the same network with IE/FF? Mar 24 07:37:32 or you mean "problem is available" as in that IE/FF also fail? Mar 24 07:37:38 i think that it's a dumb decision in a "travel oriented business tool" Mar 24 07:37:51 * czr agrees Mar 24 07:37:58 but maybe it's an akamai-restriction Mar 24 07:38:06 but it's not goin to get fixed by some random maemo hacker. Mar 24 07:38:16 czr: likely. Mar 24 07:38:33 czr IE/FF yes both don't work also my n800 am Mar 24 07:38:42 Italodance, ok Mar 24 07:39:42 koyote then you need a shell in another country? really help? thank u Mar 24 07:40:10 if you have a shell account in another country then you can wget whatever you need and scp it back to yourself Mar 24 07:40:21 assuming that using scp is legal in iran. Mar 24 07:40:23 it would assume not. Mar 24 07:40:27 I even. Mar 24 07:41:38 koyote i can use proxy here but hard sometimes working and sometimes NOT! Mar 24 07:41:57 what kind of proxy? Mar 24 07:42:10 ummm someone can let maemo knows this! Mar 24 07:42:26 They don't have any control over it. Mar 24 07:42:34 czr umm proxy websites like http://www.pro-xyy.com/ Mar 24 07:43:34 figured. Mar 24 07:44:38 I appended the bugreport. I wouldn't hold my hopes high though. Mar 24 07:44:55 your best bet would be to get a foreign shell access somewhere and then use that to shuffle data Mar 24 07:45:09 or maybe a vhost where you could run your own tls/ssl-protected proxy Mar 24 07:45:26 czr thank u dear friend .... Mar 24 07:46:02 it's 90% likely that the issue won't be fixed. but it would be interesting to get a list of countries where maemo content is blocked because of akamai/other reasons. Mar 24 07:46:11 or 95% likely even. Mar 24 07:46:34 czr i know for syria too Mar 24 07:46:44 what about syria? also blocked? Mar 24 07:47:00 maemo repos or more generic connectivity blocking? Mar 24 07:47:05 look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2643#c2 Mar 24 07:47:26 no sorry look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 Mar 24 07:48:02 Italodance, why did you create a new bug? Mar 24 07:48:08 why didn't you just comment 2237? Mar 24 07:48:24 czr yes i do now Mar 24 07:48:48 czr look here too : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2939 Mar 24 07:49:27 ok, tell you what, let me report the duplicates, ok? Mar 24 07:50:08 czr thANK U 1000 respect Mar 24 07:51:24 quim said that 2237 was 'wontfix' which means that maemo people cannot do anything about it Mar 24 07:51:34 it seems that the whole akamai thing is related to whole nokia, not just maemo Mar 24 07:52:50 czr yes totally nokia! but meamo is depends 100% to nokia or single? Mar 24 07:52:57 what's the better of the howtos for cloning to sd card in os 2008? Mar 24 07:53:25 milhouse's Mar 24 07:53:35 It has a script that does it all for you. Mar 24 07:54:20 Italodance, maemo content distribution depends on nokia Mar 24 07:55:11 czr so for my problem i must contact to maemo or nokia anyway i mailed 3 messages to maemo different emails Mar 24 07:55:59 a script.... Mar 24 07:56:55 czr are u from finland? Mar 24 07:57:39 koyote, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Mar 24 07:59:24 Italodance, I'm in finland. Mar 24 08:00:34 how do i start a xterminal app from menu? i can launch the xterm but not pass a binary to execute Mar 24 08:01:18 if I'd have free bandwidth I could setup a repo mirror Mar 24 08:01:23 unfortunately it's limited :-( Mar 24 08:02:16 koyote: i can give you an angband that installs and runs from xterm but it won't launch from menu Mar 24 08:03:06 Italodance, I marked 3029 and 2939 as duplicates for 2237. so follow 2237 Mar 24 08:03:30 pupnik: awesome Mar 24 08:03:32 added also some commentaries. note however that bug 2237 is in 'wontfix' state which means that quim has decided there's nothing he will/can do at the moment. Mar 24 08:04:50 czr oh... Mar 24 08:05:42 Is it possible to build gstreamer from source in maemo to gain the plugins that not inclued in N800? Thanks Mar 24 08:06:03 czr thank u again Mar 24 08:06:31 wait i found a way i think Mar 24 08:06:42 Italodance, np, hope that the situation will get rectified at some point, although I wouldn't bet on it. Mar 24 08:08:15 czr yes hope i wish :( Mar 24 08:10:12 re Mar 24 08:11:31 evening Mar 24 08:11:59 morning down here lol Mar 24 08:12:05 the fun of timezones Mar 24 08:12:10 i'd guess if morning, it be the uk Mar 24 08:12:14 * ivyvisors is in .au Mar 24 08:12:16 yep :) Mar 24 08:12:19 Ah right Mar 24 08:12:20 morning friend qwerty12 Mar 24 08:12:31 morning Italodance :) Mar 24 08:12:38 :D Mar 24 08:12:46 * ivyvisors has just started getting stuff working on the n810 Mar 24 08:12:49 fun fun :) Mar 24 08:13:01 getting the scratchbox going was a pain in the butt Mar 24 08:13:13 ivy, what problems did you have? Mar 24 08:13:25 ivyvisors: I had a fun time setting up sb too :D Mar 24 08:13:33 I cant get sb2 to work however, Mar 24 08:13:48 we had issues with the repository, and it was downloading the same stuff again and again Mar 24 08:13:57 so far just got nmap going for the fun of it Mar 24 08:14:09 couldn't get a .deb built Mar 24 08:14:16 but that's prolly cos we don't know what we're doing Mar 24 08:14:17 sometimes repository.maemo.org would throw 403, and cause the whole thing to restart Mar 24 08:14:24 during the sdk installation Mar 24 08:14:35 but mitra did get it installed finally. Mar 24 08:14:38 ah. that sounds like fine Mar 24 08:14:39 fun even Mar 24 08:14:42 yeah Mar 24 08:14:45 like pulling teeth Mar 24 08:14:52 I was lucky then, I managed to install when it was stable. Mar 24 08:14:54 I use local mirrors because of the repo instability. Mar 24 08:14:57 i'd gathered from reading earlier that there wasn't a need to reformat the sd card to do cloning Mar 24 08:14:58 especially with finite bandwidth :) Mar 24 08:15:26 but mitra and i have it going now Mar 24 08:15:38 are you following any material/tutorials? Mar 24 08:15:43 or just stabbing in the dark? Mar 24 08:15:52 stabbing in the dark right now :) Mar 24 08:15:56 well i ma Mar 24 08:15:56 trying to follow the tororials anyway :) Mar 24 08:15:58 *am Mar 24 08:16:21 mitra, has had more exp with arm stuff than I though Mar 24 08:17:07 the mailing lists contain a lot of good stuff (and a lot of bad stuff as well, ..) and google is your friend :-) Mar 24 08:17:09 I have no experience with C++ or arm, if stuff cleanly compiles then I'm happy :P. Other than that, I use it to make kernels. Mar 24 08:17:17 * ivy nods Mar 24 08:17:24 and there's training material *plug* which is freely available, but that starts from fairly basic level. Mar 24 08:17:31 * ivy nods Mar 24 08:17:45 i've ported some stuff from linux to irix, so it shouldn't be too hard :) Mar 24 08:18:03 and IRIX can be a pic Mar 24 08:18:04 heh. there's a name you don't hear very often anymore Mar 24 08:18:18 hehe Mar 24 08:18:21 now i have no angband icon in menu even though i have /usr/share/applications/hildon/angband.destop Mar 24 08:18:30 i still have an o2 Mar 24 08:18:37 on my desk Mar 24 08:18:46 "destop" :p , is it really named that? Mar 24 08:18:57 pupnik: cool Mar 24 08:18:59 no desktop Mar 24 08:19:04 grrr Mar 24 08:19:09 i am partitioning now Mar 24 08:19:10 a friend tried to give me their sgi's, but I'm past the "collect all interesting useless hardware"-phase. Mar 24 08:19:17 heheh Mar 24 08:19:25 well i got rid of most of mine Mar 24 08:19:31 still have a couple of vaxes Mar 24 08:19:47 all running vms as god intended ;) Mar 24 08:20:10 * koyote shudders Mar 24 08:20:14 * czr coughs silently Mar 24 08:20:19 finally i got rid of the e6000 Mar 24 08:20:19 heheh Mar 24 08:20:31 and the stack of ss20s Mar 24 08:20:37 and the u1s Mar 24 08:20:37 well i found a good use for my indies Mar 24 08:20:48 fishtanks? Mar 24 08:20:50 as a monitor riser for my mac when i'm working on music Mar 24 08:20:57 i wouldn't mind an apollo to play with, i guess. Mar 24 08:21:18 I have couple of mac cubes just running a firefox with autorefresh on a NOC-status page at office Mar 24 08:21:30 although they're running linuxen, but still. Mar 24 08:21:34 and i should have kept the on n80 aix laptop, but other than that i am glad to be back on all portable/handhelds Mar 24 08:21:52 a g4 cube i WOULD love to have Mar 24 08:22:02 for my son Mar 24 08:22:23 they're pretty slow by modern standards though Mar 24 08:22:35 motherboard : PowerMac5,1 MacRISC Power Macintosh Mar 24 08:22:51 but almost silent. should do something about the hard-drives though. Mar 24 08:23:53 Better off getting a Mini over a Cube. Mar 24 08:24:11 probably. although mini is not nearly as sexy. Mar 24 08:24:24 True true. Mar 24 08:24:28 But still Mar 24 08:24:31 Cubes are SLOOOW Mar 24 08:24:36 plus you get to miss all the funny problems of finding suitable monitor cables that can run in a 90 degree diagonal off the connector Mar 24 08:24:47 Hehe Mar 24 08:25:21 we got about 10 cubes left over at some point, so decided to cannibalize couple of them just because we could. Mar 24 08:26:12 i always liked the cube Mar 24 08:26:33 i do need something that can run mac os 9, for sound diver tho :< Mar 24 08:27:12 Ew Mar 24 08:27:39 * czr can't believe he's on a channel where someone mentions os 9. Mar 24 08:27:54 ivy, you've jinxed this channel! Mar 24 08:28:00 hehe Mar 24 08:28:05 oh noes Mar 24 08:28:12 the vms was bad enough. Mar 24 08:28:18 * asha distributes free GNUs to bring the channel back around Mar 24 08:28:37 * czr goes looking for his spears Mar 24 08:28:38 hehe i like Gnus Mar 24 08:28:53 personally more of a NetBSD fan :P Mar 24 08:29:02 anyway Mar 24 08:29:04 hehe Mar 24 08:29:08 * ivy laughs Mar 24 08:29:11 koyote: http://pupnik.de/angband_3.0.9-1_curses_armel.deb .. should install and run - let me know if there's anything to tweak/fix Mar 24 08:29:24 (from menu) Mar 24 08:29:29 nice Mar 24 08:30:01 Thanks pupnik Mar 24 08:30:21 checking Mar 24 08:34:01 increasing font size with + button requires redisplay Mar 24 08:34:06 refresh of game screen Mar 24 08:34:30 i'm getting ablank white screen and xterm is crashing Mar 24 08:36:05 ok start normal xterm and run 'angband' Mar 24 08:36:20 blank. let me see about a few things Mar 24 08:39:00 HMPH!@ Mar 24 08:39:26 the blubbering pupnik flees to breakfast Mar 24 08:40:27 it's erroring on opening xterm when i run it manually Mar 24 08:40:40 but if it works for others there's probably something i just haven't done right Mar 24 08:40:47 R&D mode? Mar 24 08:40:50 hit the - key to reduce font size Mar 24 08:41:05 then retry Mar 24 08:41:26 if your default font size yields < 80x25 window, ncurses angband will not run Mar 24 08:41:36 bbl Mar 24 08:41:40 yah Mar 24 08:41:43 i tried a 10pt Mar 24 08:43:45 okay, i am off for a bit Mar 24 08:46:18 has anyone had luck with getting kismet to run on the n810? Mar 24 08:47:16 It craps out after a while Mar 24 08:47:24 I've used it on a N800 though. Mar 24 08:48:07 kk Mar 24 08:48:22 it's the one thing i want to get going, Mar 24 08:48:33 still learning my way round this little machine Mar 24 08:48:45 If you have a memory card and the time, it works under John'x Debian port. Mar 24 08:48:50 *johnx Mar 24 08:50:08 oke Mar 24 08:50:24 i need to get a memory card for it, only had it for a week Mar 24 09:08:11 Oh why do linux archive managers suck? I've had to install 7zip in wine and use that. Works better then the default shit that comes with Ubuntu :( Mar 24 09:12:34 Is it possible to mount rootfs through initfs over usb? I have jffs2 support in computer kernel. Mar 24 09:15:25 qwerty12: Pfft. tar is all you need. Mar 24 09:15:46 Too long :p Mar 24 09:16:54 hey, does anyone know if there is a way for a theme to set the background of desktop? Mar 24 09:20:17 Perhaps the hildon-background-manager could do it at least on theme postinst. Mar 24 09:21:57 any update to nuovo-black konttori ? :) Mar 24 09:22:09 ah. sorry. completely forgotten. Mar 24 09:22:29 I could do the inverse nuvo now, but I suspect a little more effort would be nice. Mar 24 09:22:47 I'l now looking quickly on how I could add the background support easily to the themes Mar 24 09:23:01 I think quite a few people would appreciate that as well Mar 24 09:23:23 Also, how the deb postinst could just set the new theme on immediately. I think that would be pretty nice as well Mar 24 09:23:37 (or it could ask first on a dialog) Mar 24 09:24:07 I won't be going to the nokia site next week at all, so cannot ask from any developers there Mar 24 09:24:40 konttori: add a script to /usr/local/bin that is named the same as the binary/script that changes the theme. Then check if it's your team it tries to change to and change background too :p Mar 24 09:24:47 morning all Mar 24 09:25:21 solmumaha: what is the script that changes the theme? Mar 24 09:25:40 konttori: i've no idea, but i bet there is one Mar 24 09:26:10 or not Mar 24 09:26:23 not the most elegant solution though Mar 24 09:26:33 Hmm... there used to be /usr/bin/home-image-loader Mar 24 09:26:39 but there is no such thing anymore Mar 24 09:29:37 hmm... seems like /usr/share/nackgrounds/*.desktop files are what I need ... *maybe* Mar 24 09:30:00 konttori: http://pupnik.de/nuvoblack_konttori_bright_blue_bar.jpg Mar 24 09:30:07 where does this bright blue bar come from? Mar 24 09:33:29 hmm... Is that os 2008 or 2007? Mar 24 09:34:56 That could be a problem in xterm. I have a bug report on that that says that there is a black line in certain circumstances in xterm Mar 24 09:35:14 I have set it to low priority for now, but maybe I'll consider raising it. Mar 24 09:35:32 OTOH: it might have disappeared already from the latest xterm Mar 24 09:35:40 os2006 Mar 24 09:35:42 (available in garage as sources only) Mar 24 09:35:49 ok. I *think Mar 24 09:35:55 it's the xterm issue then. Mar 24 09:36:11 I've got the 13 of xterm version on my N800 OS2008, I prefer it more to the 14 versions TBH Mar 24 09:36:21 * pupnik checks Mar 24 09:36:44 no there's no xterm running Mar 24 09:37:11 when i run an app, the blue bar disappears Mar 24 09:37:22 so there's a graphic element missing from nuvoblack Mar 24 09:37:23 what are you using then? It thought that was irssi. Mar 24 09:37:29 makes sense. Mar 24 09:38:01 Hmm... I don't want to update the os2006 stuff anymore though. Mar 24 09:38:20 ok i will have to find it i think. just wanted to show you that i wasn't making it up Mar 24 09:38:29 0.14 versions are there to have more 'nokia' oriented location for the toolbar. Mar 24 09:38:36 pupnik: I believe you! Mar 24 09:39:13 it's hard work to do these themes Mar 24 09:39:42 As 014 xterms are part of the release image. Mar 24 09:40:25 Poor xterm Mar 24 09:40:36 Gets bundled and Nokia gets its cooties all over it. Mar 24 09:52:08 GeneralAntilles: lol Mar 24 10:03:13 lol Mar 24 10:03:50 but... It's still good to have it there by default IMHO. Mar 24 10:06:35 yep Mar 24 10:19:03 qwerty12: does angband crap out after a while? Mar 24 10:19:46 Which one; your ncurses one or the sdl one by dawnmist? Mar 24 10:19:51 ncurses Mar 24 10:20:13 I haven't actually tried it yet, sorry. I've been messing with emacs port. Mar 24 10:20:15 the binary conflicts right now, so if you installed sdl version, don't install ncurses Mar 24 10:20:18 ok Mar 24 10:20:31 Give me 10 mins, I'll try it out :) Mar 24 10:21:00 no hurry Mar 24 10:29:10 pupnik: is only binary conflicting? If so, I'll just move the sdl binary. Mar 24 10:33:21 yes Mar 24 10:33:43 qwerty12: iirc the rest of the shared stuff is in different directories Mar 24 10:33:52 Ok thanks, I'm just preparing to install. Mar 24 10:34:09 hmm but the desktop icon might conflict Mar 24 10:34:21 i'll mv that too. Mar 24 10:34:37 brb, time for my breakfast lol Mar 24 10:34:45 guten appetit Mar 24 10:38:23 Thanks :). I see quite a few bits are different. I will just untar it as I have set up symlink to memory card previously and I don't have a lot of space left on flash :) Mar 24 10:46:13 * qwerty12 sighs. Stupid gnome is messing about with the desktop file Mar 24 10:48:50 hello unique311 :D Mar 24 10:49:04 morning Mar 24 10:49:22 downer Mar 24 10:49:55 what a joke Mar 24 10:50:51 why is it that i cannot dl anything in safari for the iphone..... Mar 24 10:50:55 pupnik: Got the ncurses port running :). Now to try it out... (my first time playing lol) Mar 24 10:52:10 it's got a heck of a learning curve Mar 24 10:52:16 hi unique311 Mar 24 10:52:38 whats going on? Mar 24 10:52:55 hello, someone has an idea to make the n800 "jog-able" ;) ? for tracking Mar 24 10:52:58 unique311 do u have an iphone? Mar 24 10:52:59 just some maintenance, post-chocolate excess blues Mar 24 10:53:29 Italodance: yeah, just got one the other day.. Mar 24 10:53:46 post chocolate excess blues Mar 24 10:53:58 unique311 cool,is it good? Mar 24 10:54:04 easter Mar 24 10:54:09 ncurses programs are convincing me to get a bluetooth keyboard... Mar 24 10:54:23 not sure if this relates to that, but when i was young i use to go thru a couple of milkyways... Mar 24 10:54:33 by a couple i mean 4 or 5 in a day Mar 24 10:54:35 lol Mar 24 10:55:19 I hate milky ways :p. Made me sick and put me off them for life :p Mar 24 10:56:25 my taste for milkyways died also. Mar 24 10:57:04 unique311 u prefer iphone to ur tablet? Mar 24 10:57:11 tablet Mar 24 10:57:54 I can do much more with the tablet. Mar 24 10:58:06 heh this is so 'love boat'... Herb Alpert - Rise (1979) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ennMD1fPtXA Mar 24 10:58:17 unique311 yes i don't like iphone Mar 24 10:58:24 that's shit Mar 24 10:58:25 i think the hype over it is just that it looks good... Mar 24 10:58:51 unique311 tell me the audio quality of iphone is bad and low ? Mar 24 10:59:09 i did the sound hack fix... Mar 24 10:59:14 pretty loud now. Mar 24 10:59:43 oh louder than tablet? Mar 24 10:59:55 pupnik: Ncurses port is still running fine. But on N800, hildon keyboard is slightly annoying. It may also be useful to tell people to add KP_Enter as toolbar shortcut Mar 24 11:00:18 someone uses maemo mapper for tracking for openstreetmap? please contact me! important!! Mar 24 11:00:19 Italodance: not louder, but much better than the default sound settings Mar 24 11:00:20 unique311 i wanted to buy an iphone but finally prefer my n800 Mar 24 11:00:33 good choice Mar 24 11:00:38 eichi i need map streets do u have? Mar 24 11:00:51 i got my iphone from graigslist Mar 24 11:01:00 Italodance, ? Mar 24 11:01:12 i gave the guy my old notebook for it.. Mar 24 11:01:17 sound hack fix what is this unique311 ? Mar 24 11:01:17 eichi i want iran tehran do u have? Mar 24 11:01:24 Italodance, i have a problem with the gpx files made by maemo mapper Mar 24 11:01:34 unique311 hehe the deal Mar 24 11:01:37 qwerty12: i have no idea how you could play that reasonably with onscreen keyboard Mar 24 11:01:45 eichi oh ok.... Mar 24 11:01:59 pupnik: for the iphone...its is ridiculously low Mar 24 11:02:26 gpx files produced with the latest maemo mapper version give me an import error on the OSM server. thats not funny! i cant continue mapping Mar 24 11:02:45 pupnik: I have no idea how I'm managing :p :D . I have enter shortcut on toolbar and when I need the keyboard, it comes up and if I move in the game, the screen autoadjusts Mar 24 11:03:18 eichi reinstall it....possible? Mar 24 11:04:21 Italodance, loool Mar 24 11:04:36 nice joke Mar 24 11:05:07 Italodance, you know the difference of opensource + linux and closed source + windows ? Mar 24 11:05:39 reinstall fixed bugs aren't a opensource+linux common feature Mar 24 11:05:52 windows only Mar 24 11:06:47 eichi yes hehe kiding.. Mar 24 11:06:49 :D Mar 24 11:07:14 well i have windows Mar 24 11:10:21 pupnik: Ncurses Angband is running stable for me. Is there a point in the game or after a certain time where it quits? Mar 24 11:14:12 no Mar 24 11:14:15 until you win Mar 24 11:14:25 or not even sure about that Mar 24 11:14:35 it should also restore a save after ctrl-x to exit Mar 24 11:14:42 I'm not even sure on how to win :p Mar 24 11:15:11 i've never made it very far. for me t.o.m.e was the most adventure-some Mar 24 11:16:57 brb, need to reboot into windows. Why? "$ firefox --safe-mode" "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" Mar 24 11:18:35 lmao this guy moose wrote a talking clock program and he's looking for someone who can do a voice impersonation of a Dalek Mar 24 11:19:18 hmm ?? Mar 24 11:20:07 pupnik, anyone with a vocoder plugin in audacity can do it Mar 24 11:20:17 http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Staff/Michael_O_malley/web/mooses_freeware.html Mar 24 11:20:40 ok audacity has its own, or uses some directx plugin? Mar 24 11:27:24 direct-X ??? Mar 24 11:28:09 well, might be possible Mar 24 11:59:12 hi Mar 24 11:59:20 hello Mar 24 12:04:25 :) Mar 24 12:24:39 * jott imagines his tablet saying "EXTERMINATE" all the time :) @pupnik Mar 24 12:33:19 morning Mar 24 12:34:22 whered qwerty12 go Mar 24 12:41:22 I'm looking at the wiki, specifically, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/nokia_770_hardware_specification/ Mar 24 12:41:34 and I can't find a way to view the history of changes. Mar 24 12:42:01 perhaps I'm just overlooking this. Mar 24 12:42:10 or does midgard not support this feature. Mar 24 12:42:18 anyone know? Mar 24 12:42:43 hmm. no one has intel PXA270 datasheet handy? seems that since marvell's aquisition of intels PXA-stuff, tech docs are all missing from intel's site. Mar 24 12:42:46 hi neal. i don't Mar 24 12:42:56 neal: i think you have to be logged in Mar 24 12:43:11 I have to be logged-in to view the history? Mar 24 12:43:12 then you'll get an extra menu Mar 24 12:43:13 shesh. Mar 24 12:43:34 don't blame me :p Mar 24 12:58:18 did anyone fix the dhcp client while I was gone ;) Mar 24 13:02:39 WormFood, nope. Find me where udhcpc holds the lease and I'll give it a shot, though Mar 24 13:02:54 I'm sure it has nothing to do with the lease Mar 24 13:03:17 when I was out and about today, I was able to connect to a netgear, and one other router, but everything else got me a problem Mar 24 13:03:25 where can i get man-pages for maemo? Mar 24 13:03:51 AStorm, the packages themselves tend to have man pages I think, but doc purge deletes them Mar 24 13:04:00 WormFood: you dare contradict years of testing? Mar 24 13:04:11 WormFood, that's nice but I think you're wrong about the lease not affecting it Mar 24 13:04:37 WormFood, the problem is basically udhcpc getting tripped up by some valid dhcpd implementations Mar 24 13:05:25 how can the lease affect it, when I show it on the command line as having problems Mar 24 13:05:31 I mean, problems other than the least Mar 24 13:05:34 lease Mar 24 13:06:40 WormFood, look back at the conversation earlier. the lease doesn't *cause* the problem, but I *think* the problem can be worked around by removing the lease before trying to get an address from dhcp servers that udhcpc would otherwise have a problem with Mar 24 13:07:23 you may be right Mar 24 13:08:33 I may or may not be, but I don't have access to a dhcp server that causes problems *and* I can't find where udhcpc keeps its lease, so my motivation to test work on this isn't so high :) Mar 24 13:08:44 I understand Mar 24 13:08:55 I have no idea, but I'm sure looking over the source code would Mar 24 13:11:24 I've got a server where an infinite lease causes the dhcp client problems. I changed it to a finite lease and it works. Mar 24 13:13:26 I think the problem WormFood and AStorm (and myself, in the past) have run into is actually different. If I understand correctly, it seems to be caused by the dhcp server returning extra information (that is within dhcp spec) when sending a DHCPNAK after udhcpc asks for an IP address that isn't in that dhcp server's pool Mar 24 13:15:41 yep Mar 24 13:15:53 and udhcp getting batshit Mar 24 13:16:16 * pupnik watches the conversation like this dog http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg Mar 24 13:16:36 I will need to setup kismet and monitor the n800-router conversation Mar 24 13:17:01 load the log file into wireshark, and take a look at it (that is, if wireshark can't capture the conversation itself) Mar 24 13:17:19 uhm...or you can just look at what udhcpc has to say...something along the lines of "unrecognized option" I believe it was? Mar 24 13:18:11 it is Mar 24 13:18:50 we need dhclient package and fixed scripts Mar 24 13:19:13 GeneralAntilles: Hi. The advice you had last night on video playback was great. I downloaded the media (rather than stream it) and loaded mplayer, and then the media was entirely watchable. 'mplayer' made a biiiig difference. Mar 24 13:19:58 Glad to have helped. Mar 24 13:21:05 [09:09:21] then "bogus packet, options field is too long" Mar 24 13:21:31 that would be it Mar 24 13:22:14 anyone tried to build microb-engine with latest cvs gecko? Mar 24 13:23:00 source code? Mar 24 13:23:31 garage? :o Mar 24 13:24:46 I will disconnect and reconnect, so I can monitor the n800-router exchange Mar 24 13:25:31 What's with the influx of iPhone nubs on ITT again? :\ Mar 24 13:26:46 I dunno, but it seems like we at least have more people willing to answer n00b questions lately, so I haven't noticed/cared that much Mar 24 13:34:22 I'm trying to figure out if I can swap between wireless and wired without losing my connections Mar 24 13:35:12 that would probably be a no... Mar 24 13:35:34 I suspect I can do it....if I give myself a static IP Mar 24 13:35:47 anyways....I'll most likely lose my connection Mar 24 13:36:00 yep, you can't Mar 24 13:36:28 you can do print i Mar 24 13:36:45 uhm, use iptables and masquerade Mar 24 13:36:54 or some smart routing Mar 24 13:39:33 Hey, I noticed something using mplayer, when it got a list of all the media files. My SDcard has retained a bunch of files in .Trash - how do I finally delete these from the GUI? How can I set the file manager to actually delete the files when I want them deleted? Mar 24 13:41:26 I've never seen any "Empty Trash" button. Mar 24 13:41:51 in file manager Mar 24 13:42:05 in menu Mar 24 13:42:58 keep going... I don't see it Mar 24 13:43:29 Morning. Mar 24 13:44:01 people aren't expected to format the memory card just to finally get rid of files, I hope Mar 24 13:44:09 am I still connected? Mar 24 13:44:21 yes Mar 24 13:44:22 WormFood, no you're not connected Mar 24 13:44:25 ok, I guess I was able to change interfaces without losing my connection here :p Mar 24 13:44:37 evening SDuensin Mar 24 13:45:04 hmm, no Mar 24 13:45:22 WormFood: with iptables Mar 24 13:45:28 use NAT Mar 24 13:54:14 ok, I want to put devel env on my N Mar 24 13:54:20 howtos? Mar 24 13:54:35 are you booting from sd already? Mar 24 13:54:55 will be Mar 24 13:55:08 I can upload to a live system Mar 24 13:55:17 then switch Mar 24 13:55:32 but, it has to be devel maemo Mar 24 13:55:37 rsyncable Mar 24 13:55:52 AStorm, no Mar 24 13:55:59 I ran ifdown on eth0 Mar 24 13:56:04 then ran ifup on eth1 Mar 24 13:56:13 wrong Mar 24 13:56:20 manually changed the ip address on eth1 to be the same that eth0 was Mar 24 13:56:24 use ifup first then ifdown Mar 24 13:56:30 then added the default gateway back Mar 24 13:56:56 because just changing the ip address for eth1 erases the default gateway Mar 24 13:56:56 AStorm, I haven't seen a howto, but I guess you could just collect stuff as you need it from gronmayer Mar 24 13:57:10 hmm. I managed to switch between gprs and wifi without losing my connection :) Mar 24 13:57:16 but i cheat. Mar 24 13:57:29 with the latest SDK update you shouldn't run into too many version mismatch problems Mar 24 13:57:43 it is all about the packet state....if the router does not somehow destroy the tcp/ip stream state, it will work Mar 24 13:58:17 wormfood: correct. I use openvpn :) Mar 24 13:58:24 I use openvpn too Mar 24 13:58:33 I use that to get around the great firewall of china Mar 24 13:58:58 AStorm, also, look up dpkg-repack for repacking installed .debs and 'equivs' for making dummy packages if you need them Mar 24 13:59:17 mhm Mar 24 13:59:30 no no Mar 24 13:59:39 I have a devel env Mar 24 13:59:43 on vmware Mar 24 14:00:03 want to use it on maemo proper (the built os) Mar 24 14:00:09 yeah, I understand Mar 24 14:00:43 Veggen: do you think it is possible to have a VoIP call where the N8x0 jumps from one connection to another? Mar 24 14:00:51 you'll probably end up repacking some .debs from your SDK on vmware, and satisfying some deps with equivs Mar 24 14:01:41 hm Mar 24 14:02:03 ok, I'm going in Mar 24 14:03:01 m-c: hmm. probably switchover time would be unbearable. I also would need to do something about openvpn re-setup etc. Mar 24 14:03:03 as long as you are booting from SD and you remember to stop and backup your progress once in a while you'll probably manage ok Mar 24 14:03:05 anybody familian with the wlan power save? "iwconfig wlan0 power ..." Mar 24 14:03:09 familiar Mar 24 14:03:25 kulve: a bit - how? Mar 24 14:03:56 Power Management:off Mar 24 14:04:06 I know that on os2008, you'll need to do it in connection manager for it to stick. Mar 24 14:04:11 Veggen: I think one goal of VoIP would be to be able to switch from one connection to another, just like you can do with a cell phone Mar 24 14:04:12 and the device is pretty warm. I'm just wondering how to adjust that Mar 24 14:04:27 Veggen: I'm not using connection manager.. Mar 24 14:04:34 oh. no, afraid not. Mar 24 14:04:39 kulve: check cpu usage Mar 24 14:04:56 heat is mostly caused by that Mar 24 14:05:21 AStorm: no cpu usage Mar 24 14:05:23 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/iwconfig.html Mar 24 14:05:33 but that seems to be what I was looking for. Mar 24 14:05:34 m-c: hmm. well, yes. we need mobile ip :) Mar 24 14:06:03 mobile IP = tunnels/VPNs Mar 24 14:06:13 so use these Mar 24 14:07:46 well. right now it took more than a minute, I think, for openvpn to renegotiate. with changing openvpn parameters, it'd be possible to get that down quite a bit. Mar 24 14:08:04 mhm Mar 24 14:09:03 but not noticeable? doubt it :) Mar 24 14:11:05 humm, anybodu with os2008 booted? Is there the iwconfig command around? Mar 24 14:12:42 kulve: try sbin Mar 24 14:13:13 wirelesstools exists in some repositories, but not in os2008 by default. Mar 24 14:13:19 Veggen: thanks Mar 24 14:16:17 kulve: I've been tablet only all easter. laptop decided to not work (think it's a bad contact to the power plug) Mar 24 14:16:49 made wonders for my n810 typing skills :) Mar 24 14:17:18 I've been trying to get networkmanager working on it during the easter.. Mar 24 14:23:05 m-c: about your mplayer problem, you didn't use emelfm to delete the files or nautillus on computer? Mar 24 14:23:22 "iwconfig wlan0 power [anything]" just gives me invalid argument Mar 24 14:23:59 qwerty12_N800: I used File Manager ... is that Nautilus? Mar 24 14:24:29 File manager on the n8*0? Mar 24 14:24:33 Yes Mar 24 14:24:48 kulve: example of [anything]? Mar 24 14:25:03 and the files went into /media/mmc2/.Trash-user/ Mar 24 14:25:20 That's odd. Gmplayer upd8s it's file list on startup. Mar 24 14:25:22 ("off" works, for example) Mar 24 14:26:03 Veggen: iwconfig wlan0 power period 500ms Mar 24 14:26:30 Veggen: yeah, "off" doesn't give an error, but doesn't do anything either as it's already off.. Mar 24 14:26:47 "on" doesn't give error either, but doesn't do anything Mar 24 14:27:03 now upon closer inspection, it appears that the N800 is sending out the dhcp packet, and not getting any response...it then falls back to rarp Mar 24 14:32:15 does anyone want this capture file to look at for themselves? Mar 24 14:32:29 kulve: seems it won't eat any arguments to power period here either. but I haven't checked the docs. Mar 24 14:32:47 i shall cheer for your successes WormFood .. document your findings Mar 24 14:33:39 wb ssvb! Mar 24 14:34:52 I need to do more investigation Mar 24 14:35:03 I need to compare it to a good dhcp client Mar 24 14:35:19 I may get disconnected for my next test Mar 24 14:35:22 then I will go to bed Mar 24 14:36:06 well, now gnome-power-manager sets cpufreq to "maximum powersave", i.e. cpu MHz to minimum. Lets see if that affects the temperature.. Mar 24 14:36:43 ok, test done Mar 24 14:38:44 well this is fucked up....I don't see any dhcp address or traffic to my laptop....but it got an IP address Mar 24 14:40:58 I guess I can't capture and use the wireless at the same time :( Mar 24 14:43:39 where is the kismet package for the n800? Mar 24 14:46:02 have any if you guys seen the blue sprite yet (soda)? I can get it here in China, but don't know if it is anywhere else in the world. Mar 24 14:46:27 the what ? Mar 24 14:47:07 I know toothpaste from china containing antifreeze and other similar antics Mar 24 14:47:17 sprite soda, that is blue Mar 24 14:47:22 mint flavored Mar 24 14:47:30 * GeneralAntilles gives sxpert some "Colgrate". Mar 24 14:47:34 toothpaste soda Mar 24 14:47:56 I rather like this blue sprite Mar 24 14:48:12 hi everyone... happy easter... *honk* *honk* Mar 24 14:48:26 happy easter? aren't you a little late? Mar 24 14:48:28 WormFood, ahem... I'd rather have regular water, than a mix of water, sugar and fluo-blue coloring with artificial mint flavor. thanks Mar 24 14:48:42 WormFood: oh correct. sorry! I mean HAPPY CHRISTMAS! Mar 24 14:49:04 cyberholic, happy valentine :-) Mar 24 14:49:18 sxpert: to you too my love Mar 24 14:49:21 I updated my jesusfuckinchrist.com web page in honor of easter ;) Mar 24 14:49:38 wormfood: thanks for making a website for me! Mar 24 14:50:02 WormFood, http://gallery.sxpert.org/v/Broken/ikea/ikea-Krucifix.jpg.html Mar 24 14:50:49 lol Mar 24 14:52:22 http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/204492/ :p Mar 24 14:54:12 sxpert, your site does not appear to be coming up for me...don't know if it is the great firewall or just my crappy internet (some sites are very fast, and others are very slow) Mar 24 14:54:21 lol Mar 24 14:55:35 WormFood, probably the great whitelist from hell Mar 24 14:57:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(soft_drink) it is called "sprite icy mint" Mar 24 14:58:33 I don't feel like setting up my vpn just to read the page, but it appears that it is only in china Mar 24 14:59:08 WormFood, anyhow, the interesting pic showed some jesus christ figure holding ikea instructions for "Krucifix" :-) Mar 24 14:59:14 ooo. xulrunner + touchscreen UI Mar 24 14:59:31 sxpert, can you give me a direct url to the image? (I can download it to my server) Mar 24 14:59:38 Any idea where I could find Frotz or some other inform intepreter for maemo os2008? I tried the elkings.org repo but got some "incompatible package format" error Mar 24 14:59:47 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/UI/Designs/TouchScreen/Proposal5 Mar 24 15:00:41 image 1 : http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4195-1/gutvik.gif Mar 24 15:00:57 image 2: http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4198-1/ikea-Krucifix.jpg Mar 24 15:01:11 thanks sxpert Mar 24 15:02:33 Lynoure: frotz or gfrotz? Mar 24 15:04:10 pupnik: either, or any that lets me play inform games, will do Mar 24 15:04:34 damn! all of my internet is running like shit today Mar 24 15:04:42 Not really picky at this stage :) Mar 24 15:04:51 ok, bed time for me, it is after 11 pm here...see you all later Mar 24 15:04:59 Lynoure: do you think i should include the docs with it? Mar 24 15:05:43 pupnik: no strong opinions there... I'd say most people don't need them Mar 24 15:07:32 WormFood, so, what do you think ? Mar 24 15:08:49 what do I think about what? Mar 24 15:09:26 WormFood, bout the pix Mar 24 15:09:42 I can't see it Mar 24 15:09:46 I can't even load my own pages Mar 24 15:09:53 BUT, I can ssh into my server Mar 24 15:09:59 I will look at them later Mar 24 15:10:02 ok Mar 24 15:10:09 I imagine it is funny tho, just by your description Mar 24 15:10:14 yeah Mar 24 15:10:24 what did you think of the easter images on my page? (or did you look?) Mar 24 15:10:36 the first one you may need to either know german or search the web ;-) Mar 24 15:10:48 WormFood, pretty cool too Mar 24 15:11:09 Lynoure: ok just touched up frotz... please test http://pupnik.de/frotz_2.43-1_armel.deb Mar 24 15:12:10 sxpert... i know german... who needs help? Mar 24 15:12:28 cyberholic, WormFood will need for image 1 :-) Mar 24 15:12:42 I need help! I'd like to know german too! Mar 24 15:12:44 image 1? Mar 24 15:12:51 I'll share the url with my german friend Mar 24 15:12:55 i know a little german Mar 24 15:12:57 scrollback :-) Mar 24 15:13:08 i am on pupnik.de .... and now? Mar 24 15:14:34 cyberholic, [2008-03-24 16:00] image 1 : http://gallery.sxpert.org/d/4195-1/gutvik.gif Mar 24 15:14:53 pupnik: installed nicely. I'll give more feedback later, one I try it with a game. Thank you. Mar 24 15:15:06 ok... GUTVIK means "good f*ck" so the aim of the bed is quite clear Mar 24 15:15:11 Lol Mar 24 15:15:31 in german it is GUT FICK Mar 24 15:15:39 'cept its a kiddie bed... Mar 24 15:16:03 Eww Mar 24 15:16:29 dual bunk to be precise Mar 24 15:16:45 "you can put the ladder to the left or to the right" Mar 24 15:17:08 of course, the thing was named for a city in norway or something Mar 24 15:17:22 but didn't go well in germany Mar 24 15:17:40 similar to that "Nova" car in mexico Mar 24 15:18:31 ich sehe Brüste Mar 24 15:18:37 lol Mar 24 15:18:52 i want a Pacer Mar 24 15:21:08 I want a (prepare yourselves for the horror)... M$ ppc - namely the unreleased xperia x1 (i liked my last 3 yr old one :p) Mar 24 15:21:45 does Flash work on it? Mar 24 15:21:51 I mean Flash 8 ? Mar 24 15:21:52 qwerty12_N800, get an Xbox 360, that's an M$ PPC for you ;-) Mar 24 15:22:24 I believe flash is supported by adobe themselves on ppc's. Mar 24 15:22:32 I like ps3 more :p Mar 24 15:22:46 but not the latest version - i tried it yesterday to make mojocafe.de work on the Nokia n95 but it did not worked out. Mar 24 15:23:06 qwerty12_N800, apparently it's a sony ericcson product Mar 24 15:23:24 Symbian & sony ericsson phones only have fl lite. Mar 24 15:23:34 sxpert: really? Mar 24 15:23:53 google tells me that it's a SE smart phone of some sort Mar 24 15:24:07 Oh! The xperia? Mar 24 15:24:29 yep Mar 24 15:24:34 I thought you meant the x360 8-) lol Mar 24 15:24:54 the trailer video of the xperia SUCKS! It is nicely done, but only 5% of the video show the function of the device. They should have seen the n800 trailer..... Mar 24 15:25:06 well the only MS PPC I know of is the X360 ;-) Mar 24 15:25:21 cyberholic: Blame ms ;) Mar 24 15:25:26 :) Mar 24 15:25:27 i wish desktop PCs could scale down their power requirements to < 25 watts when not doing real work Mar 24 15:25:40 pupnik: desktop PC NEVER do real work ;) Mar 24 15:25:45 *just kidding* Mar 24 15:25:56 maybe i should just go with notebooks from now on Mar 24 15:26:27 pupnik, you can get that... buy an alix board, makes a fine desktop Mar 24 15:26:46 Mac Mini ;) Mar 24 15:27:04 fysa, intel inside... blows 80w minimum Mar 24 15:27:21 it needs to compile stuff fast when i need it - going on 3 hours building libraries right now on athlon 2800xp Mar 24 15:27:24 uses mobile processor Mar 24 15:27:46 Is there a sane way to get my nokia 770 (US version) to see channels 12/13 (Looks like I have been sold the US version even though I am in the UK) Mar 24 15:28:15 I don't think you can, unless you have phoenix dongle ;) Mar 24 15:28:19 sxpert, Mac Mini uses 28 watts while watching a DVD Mar 24 15:28:35 wait. Mar 24 15:29:03 maybe that was PPC. Mar 24 15:29:34 hah ! Mar 24 15:29:36 O Mar 24 15:29:37 probably Mar 24 15:29:55 Eh, wtf the o come from? Mar 24 15:30:10 somewhere Mar 24 15:30:31 :-) Mar 24 15:30:43 Lol, pidgin & hildon messing me around Mar 24 15:30:59 Back on my comp in 30 mins. Mar 24 15:31:08 * qwerty12_N800 sighs Mar 24 15:31:14 anybody here have an original Apple ][ ? :/ Mar 24 15:32:11 Mac Mini CPU uses 34 watts Mar 24 15:32:17 for the fast C2D Mar 24 15:32:45 Anyone have phoenix dongle/mt-box? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 Mar 24 15:32:56 hehe Mar 24 15:33:07 aha, here we go. Mar 24 15:33:07 yes Mar 24 15:33:29 2.16GHz, idle at OS X/XP desktop = 21 watts Mar 24 15:33:39 while running two Folding@Home clients -- 51 watts Mar 24 15:34:12 if it had an 8800GT embedded, I would get one. ;) Mar 24 15:34:56 Hey people. At the moment i am thinking about developing some new Mojos with the flickr API. Do you use your device to watch photos or if available at mojocafe.de would you then use it? Mar 24 15:37:51 Oh, and does anyone know if there is a way to tell the device not to dim darker when not plugged to charge? Mar 24 15:38:35 Use moredimmingoptions and set for 24 hours timeout ;) Mar 24 15:39:02 where to get the moredimmingoptions? i Mar 24 15:39:39 maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/moredimmingoptions/ Mar 24 15:39:41 :) Mar 24 15:40:06 coooooooooooool! Mar 24 15:40:19 cool... vst audio plugins under linux http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/ http://www.joebutton.co.uk/fst/ http://dssi.sourceforge.net/ Mar 24 15:40:50 You can also make your own timeouts if you use gconf editor. Mar 24 15:41:54 and if i know how to code on maemo :) Mar 24 15:42:59 You don't really need programming skills :) . I sux at programming but i've compiled modified kernel, done a LOT to my n800 etc :) Mar 24 15:43:46 so much that it's now a doorstop ? Mar 24 15:44:09 Nope, it works but more slowly :p Mar 24 15:44:47 If anyone knows me from se-nse, you know hoow much I like to mod :p Mar 24 15:44:48 haha Mar 24 15:46:42 Does anyone have a dbox2 here? I'm tempted to buy one and put linux on it. Mar 24 15:48:54 hello Mar 24 15:54:52 hi warlock Mar 24 15:56:22 * lcuk_2 yawns Mar 24 15:57:11 Anybody know how to get my GNOME to run "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0" automatically when logging in? I tried sessions to no effect, I've added and tested successfully sudo entries and the command works when typed in terminal. I've managed to get ndiswrapper to insert on boot, now to just sort this and I'll have a wifi that connects faster than windows. Mar 24 15:59:15 nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/N800_US_en.PDF Mar 24 15:59:21 so it IS a phone after all! Mar 24 15:59:29 OMG! Mar 24 15:59:51 nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/elephants/guides/N800_US_en.PDF Mar 24 15:59:55 its also an elephant :P Mar 24 16:00:08 heh Mar 24 16:00:13 lcuk: The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. Mar 24 16:00:14 ;) Mar 24 16:00:28 you're inaccurate Mar 24 16:00:29 muhahahahaha Mar 24 16:00:45 its just outdated - they evolved Mar 24 16:01:01 probably Mar 24 16:01:11 oi Mar 24 16:01:17 in the same way you can treat any electronic device as an elephant Mar 24 16:02:09 last time i tried to treat my device as anelephant i spent weeks building an enclosure for it, but before I was done the hippies came and released it back into the wild :( Mar 24 16:02:32 pupnik: any mods to the angband package since earlier Mar 24 16:02:38 poor elephant Mar 24 16:02:50 angband? Mar 24 16:03:07 gangband Mar 24 16:03:11 d? Mar 24 16:03:19 even poorer because they released it into the rainforest and it wasnt waterproof Mar 24 16:03:21 dangbang? Mar 24 16:03:35 Could work... ? Mar 24 16:05:03 no koyote - maybe if you could figure out how to specify a proper font size, i would include that in the launcher Mar 24 16:05:04 how do i get nickserv to automatically accept my password? do i have to configure xchat? Mar 24 16:05:14 Yea Mar 24 16:05:24 or any other command line options you find that make sense Mar 24 16:05:43 pupnik: well, i'm going to finish the cloning now and then i Mar 24 16:05:47 Go to network list and choose free node and choose edit and put nickserv password in Mar 24 16:05:50 I'll work on it Mar 24 16:06:17 lcuk: erc deals with nicserv really well. Mar 24 16:06:22 ;) Mar 24 16:06:35 its done :) Mar 24 16:06:46 xchat works well for me - marked as wontchange Mar 24 16:07:31 * lcuk has started playing with the text rendering - hoping to make a smooth editor Mar 24 16:08:14 make a sdl plugin? Mar 24 16:08:16 or lib Mar 24 16:08:20 My N800 is a knob. I just put in usb cable and it restarts 8-) Mar 24 16:08:37 another usb-fried n800? Mar 24 16:08:39 i was thinking a gtk plugin actually Mar 24 16:08:45 lcuk sounds like fun but much reinventing of wheels Mar 24 16:09:07 * koyote shrugs and continues to do everything in emacs Mar 24 16:09:19 well - how do i get a standard textbox to slide without aiming for a tiny scrollbar Mar 24 16:09:20 KotCzarny: I think usb is fine, just the N800 was acting weird. Indeed, it worked this time lol Mar 24 16:09:29 i want to slide anywhere on the page Mar 24 16:10:02 slide Mar 24 16:10:41 yer - scrolling without having to grab the little tiny thing which is also at the wrong side of the screen Mar 24 16:11:04 * lcuk curses the normal text boxes (left hander so hand obscures screen) Mar 24 16:11:31 the web browser does it right but it feels sluggish Mar 24 16:11:31 ok so now you're sliding the screen, how to highlight text? Mar 24 16:11:33 There's a modified echo theme with scrollbars and you can now rotate NiT into 270* too. Mar 24 16:11:39 *scrollbars bigger Mar 24 16:12:08 sliding = up down - selecting can be initialised with a left right to get it into mode then up down for lines, or just use gutter selection Mar 24 16:12:37 rotating 270 degrees sounds like the bomb, but i dont wanna type on my 810 screen upside down Mar 24 16:13:14 bigger scrollbars arent really the answer - i just wanna move around nicely Mar 24 16:13:23 Ah, I forgot about that 8-), I guess I am used to N800. Mar 24 16:13:24 yup Mar 24 16:13:34 and use touch screen what it was intended for Mar 24 16:14:04 but even if i put it upside down i still have same problem because i still need to do stuff - i want to mirror the contents and stuff but keep the text oriented default way Mar 24 16:14:09 ie scrollbars on left Mar 24 16:14:16 heh, is it possible to turn off Selective Availability in N810 gps receiver? Mar 24 16:14:39 no, it's a hussy Mar 24 16:14:46 is there a way to turn it on? right now i have no availability Mar 24 16:16:27 lcuk: lol Mar 24 16:16:48 pupnik, re - reinventing wheel - im not expecting to do everything but i am enjoying playing with alternatives. trying to get the right touch based interface - you never know something might work and end up sticking :) Mar 24 16:16:58 it's a scheme to reduce quality of consumer GPS recvs Mar 24 16:17:17 SA is done from the sat end though isnt it - its something US gov enable Mar 24 16:17:25 nah Mar 24 16:18:02 lcuk: fine, if i were paying your salary i'd put you to work fixing tearing on itFCE NES emulator :) Mar 24 16:18:06 it's a mandatory feature of receiver Mar 24 16:18:15 not needed in EU Mar 24 16:18:33 but prob. still enabled yas gps passed fcc tests Mar 24 16:18:55 pupnik: i believe his work could be reused Mar 24 16:18:57 :) Mar 24 16:19:17 no, SA decryption is something in military hardware. the signal from the sat is sent down with an encrypted block which only mil people with daily passwords can decrypt. the gov can turn on or off this feature AT THE SAT. Mar 24 16:19:40 you cam decrypt that Mar 24 16:19:57 it's not hard, sorry :) Mar 24 16:20:06 illegal in the US Mar 24 16:20:13 prob. not EU Mar 24 16:20:24 what is it for ? Mar 24 16:20:52 anyway - SA is disabled and its unlikely to ever be turned on Mar 24 16:21:00 ... Mar 24 16:21:26 you don't get that we want a decrypting driver? Mar 24 16:21:29 :P Mar 24 16:22:09 isn't sa off for most of the time Mar 24 16:22:17 on Mar 24 16:22:19 its off always now Mar 24 16:22:25 yeah since 200 or something Mar 24 16:22:27 The amount of error added was "set to zero"[20] at midnight on May 1, 2000 following an announcement by U.S. President Bill Clinton, allowing users access to the error-free L1 signal. Mar 24 16:22:29 2000 Mar 24 16:22:31 mhm Mar 24 16:22:36 whee Mar 24 16:22:41 AStorm: theres other accuracy options Mar 24 16:22:43 i think wlan scanning for lock-assist is more interesting Mar 24 16:22:48 AStorm: that can be enabled on some gps dongles Mar 24 16:22:54 pupnik: I seem to get "Error opening terminal: xterm" from frotz when trying to open any game Mar 24 16:22:59 glass, diff. gps? Mar 24 16:23:17 AStorm: some accuracy added sats or shit like that Mar 24 16:23:17 ok Lynoure do you have ncurses installed? Mar 24 16:23:25 pupnik, if you were paying my salary i would gladly work on something that wasnt vb or .net :) Mar 24 16:23:36 ANYTHING Mar 24 16:23:41 AStorm: havent fooled around myself.. a friend says you can enable them on some dongles Mar 24 16:24:05 pupnik: possibly not, will check Mar 24 16:25:55 works here frotz ZORK1.DAT Mar 24 16:26:23 Seems I don't. and the repos I have do not have it either, so now I need to find it Mar 24 16:27:09 http://gronmayer.de/it Mar 24 16:27:31 it should have required ncurses for install Mar 24 16:28:10 tha angband package? Mar 24 16:30:15 both iirc Mar 24 16:30:47 both? Mar 24 16:31:03 ncurses angband uses ncurses Mar 24 16:31:07 ncurses frotz uses ncurses Mar 24 16:31:44 man, i learned to type playing infocom games... Mar 24 16:32:41 anyone could tell me how to add the "Esc" key to the on-screen keyboard of a n810? Mar 24 16:32:57 use xkbd Mar 24 16:33:05 pssst you know you can just press the esc thats just at the side of the screen ;) Mar 24 16:33:48 I'm having major candyshop moments with this new repo listing :) Mar 24 16:34:29 installing ncurses is going to be rough, now. Mar 24 16:34:50 koyote: hmm, how come? Mar 24 16:35:07 apt-get install failed. Mar 24 16:35:23 thanks KotCzarny and lcuk Mar 24 16:35:28 apt-cache search ncurses Mar 24 16:35:29 :-) Mar 24 16:36:11 * konttori just published new version of nuvopearl (no real changes, just added background) Mar 24 16:36:13 https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ Mar 24 16:36:31 * lcuk considers joining maemo.org gang Mar 24 16:36:38 im scared tho Mar 24 16:36:46 gpg error on chinook. great Mar 24 16:36:57 sometimes stuff should actually work. Mar 24 16:37:07 it would be nice wouldnt it Mar 24 16:37:19 but what we would do then? Mar 24 16:37:25 if everything worked fine Mar 24 16:37:34 buy the next device needing our superhero powers Mar 24 16:37:42 'everything' Mar 24 16:37:52 including future devices Mar 24 16:37:54 koyote, what's wrong with the gps on chinook? Mar 24 16:38:00 gpg Mar 24 16:38:08 oh, sorry Mar 24 16:38:15 konttori: can you run some imagemagick script on NuvoPearl to make a different shade with not much work? Mar 24 16:38:26 Hey people... any voyeurs in here? *haha*... in case you want to see how i live.... Mar 24 16:38:40 ... and how my device pimps up my flat: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog/ Mar 24 16:38:45 if you'r 18yo female Mar 24 16:38:52 Kot: not yet ;) Mar 24 16:38:58 :) Mar 24 16:39:16 package ncurses has no installation cadidate Mar 24 16:39:24 pupnik: Well, in photoshop you do pretty much anything Mar 24 16:39:30 it's one single png file anyway Mar 24 16:39:31 cyberholic, when you have 800 sat at bedside running flash all night without power cable in - does it last till morning (even till the next couple of hours) Mar 24 16:39:43 imagemagics convert is faster Mar 24 16:39:57 so, yeah, pupnik, it's really easy to make small or bigger changes to the theme Mar 24 16:39:58 (ie. doesn't require you to run pc) Mar 24 16:40:03 konttori: but the old themes were so many files! Mar 24 16:40:09 then just run theme maker and you'll get the deb for it Mar 24 16:40:14 niceeee Mar 24 16:40:23 lcuk: yep it does! i tried it out a few days ago with the alarm clock i made and it worked! the only problem: when the alarm rang, i touched the screen to stop it but the device took about 10 seconds to "wake up", so you can be sure that i was awaken :) Mar 24 16:40:23 pupnik: theme maker splits the single image to the 'tons of files' Mar 24 16:40:32 apt-get update............. gpg error for chinnok, no pubkey available.....you may want to run apt-get update to correct this problem Mar 24 16:40:35 HAHA Mar 24 16:40:37 also sets the gtkrc colors from the image and so on Mar 24 16:40:48 cyberholic, must admit - it looks sweet though - perhaps you could put something together to get your mojos running on digital picture frames Mar 24 16:40:57 koyote: did you check gronmayer? Mar 24 16:41:10 pupnik: here is the plankton theme template Mar 24 16:41:11 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/template/template.png Mar 24 16:41:17 ty Mar 24 16:41:17 (don't open in n800) Mar 24 16:41:26 8000x800 pixels Mar 24 16:41:43 Color definitions are at the very right side of the image Mar 24 16:41:57 lcuk: thnx. i broke my neck yesterday because i tried to port the whole thing to the n95, but it did not worked out.... wrong flash version :( Mar 24 16:41:58 pupnik: yah, guess i can just add more feeds, since chinook is borken this morning Mar 24 16:42:17 N95 uses sucky Flash Lite :p Mar 24 16:42:20 So, for any artist, it's easy to edit the whole image in photoshop and then just use theme maker, set theme name, author , fonts, click create and Blam! that's it Mar 24 16:42:50 qwerty: yep, thats what i found out too.... BUUUUT: the newest firmware of the n95 works with flash 8!!!!! no flash lite anymore... THAT is strange. Mar 24 16:43:03 Wow, that is good. Mar 24 16:43:06 that's a great thing konttori - hope it gets some blog / ITT activity Mar 24 16:43:28 hmm, where is timezone information stored? Mar 24 16:43:31 <- nuvoblack fan Mar 24 16:43:43 cyber, can you run flash without the browser? by default i keep the info bar at bottom enabled so never get full full screen Mar 24 16:43:56 pupnik: I'll blog about it a bit now. Mar 24 16:44:45 lcuk: you can turn the navi bar off at the menu with VIEW-->SHOW TOOLBAR --> FULLSCREEN (unchecked) Mar 24 16:45:47 yer, but that way i cant browse with it on (as i want) and use your mojos without having to switch every time - would be better to have a single button on desktop to say "mojo" and run yours fullscreen and without having to go through favorites etc Mar 24 16:46:19 and also to do it without internet connected Mar 24 16:47:13 what repo do i need to get ncurses installed? Mar 24 16:47:56 koyote: did you check gronmayer.de? Mar 24 16:48:15 i have nokia, nokia 3rd party, sys soft, maemo extras (maemo hackers is borked), elkins.org, eko one, maemo chinook Mar 24 16:48:24 pupnik: yeah. maemo chinook Mar 24 16:48:30 it is not listed? Mar 24 16:48:38 it's listed on the website. Mar 24 16:49:17 not in app manager Mar 24 16:49:20 KotCzarny/pupnik - sdl blitting is done using the cpu isnt it? if it could be done via the dsp then apps would have more cpu time to handle everything. if something like that could be put in place would it help? or does init of the dsp take so much time you couldnt share use with mp3s? Mar 24 16:49:25 and i can't install via apt-get Mar 24 16:49:29 ahh :/ Mar 24 16:49:40 so, how do i get it? Mar 24 16:49:41 weird... according to gronmayer.de, there is ncurses in many places, but it's not showing up in my app manager either Mar 24 16:49:53 trying apt-get. Mar 24 16:49:57 that's normal broken, Lynoure Mar 24 16:49:58 it may be a redpill moment Mar 24 16:50:12 in app manager you won't see libxxx usually Mar 24 16:50:13 app manager by default only lists some apps from each repo Mar 24 16:50:13 the app manager displays some random assortment of 5% of what you can install Mar 24 16:50:21 its the user apps Mar 24 16:50:22 but apt-get isn't working. Mar 24 16:51:20 But, alas, I'm not a root. Mar 24 16:51:31 koyote: funny synchronocity we are having Mar 24 16:51:40 lcuk: well, the point is that there are mojos that require a web connection: for example the newsfeeds or the webcams. I developed the whole project because i think that people in a few years are permanent online. With me it is already like that :) Mar 24 16:51:47 you might want to install becomeroot Mar 24 16:52:05 lcuk: about the fullscreen: i tried to force a fullscreen, but the microb does not recognize it :( Mar 24 16:52:25 cyberholic, but there are many mojos which look excellent which dont need a connection - shouldnt it be the users choice Mar 24 16:52:37 no - i wouldnt want you forcing anything - its good that it doesnt allow it Mar 24 16:53:02 on my local computer i can run flash without opening a browser Mar 24 16:53:03 wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/n/ncurses/libncursesw5_5.4-3.osso1_armel.deb Mar 24 16:53:13 then dpkg -i libncurses*.deb Mar 24 16:53:23 lcuk: yep. you are right! the problem is that i do not know how to code a "browser" window at the moment. Mar 24 16:53:52 thats ok :) i will certainly keep my eyes open and if something looks promising ill let you know Mar 24 16:53:59 your mojos are cool Mar 24 16:54:04 koyote: how does is it used? Mar 24 16:54:50 that you need to look at wiki for, basic command is sudo gainroot Mar 24 16:55:01 ssh is better Mar 24 16:55:02 :> Mar 24 16:55:12 (for gaining root) Mar 24 16:55:17 both work Mar 24 16:55:21 yup Mar 24 16:56:49 * konttori published blog about theme maker Mar 24 16:56:50 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Mar 24 16:57:48 KotCzarny: I know ssh, but no idea how to use it to gain local root on OS2008, care to tell me? Mar 24 16:57:51 okay, way too much work for a basic library, but it is there Mar 24 16:58:00 konttori: Very nice! :) Mar 24 16:58:06 Lynoure: ssh root@localhost Mar 24 16:58:06 lynoure: from laptop/pc: ssh root@you_nokia_ip Mar 24 16:58:40 thanks qwerrty12 Mar 24 17:00:18 Thanks for the thememaker, yay, it works in Linux with Java 6 runtime. I couldn't get previous version to work in Linux (worked in XP) but I think I had Runtime 5. Mar 24 17:01:50 okay, brb, switching locations Mar 24 17:05:27 qwerty12: I hope you'll now make some sweet themes with it! Mar 24 17:05:42 And when you do, please put those to maemo downloads as well! Mar 24 17:07:07 I can try :), hehe, My GIMP & Photoshop skills are very bad :p Mar 24 17:08:53 But I hope more people make more themes, the only original ones i've seen for OS2008 are your NuvoPearl theme & Plankton Mar 24 17:09:07 jott: http://grumbel.blogspot.com/2008/03/state-of-pingus.html new overview of pingus TODO. If you have time/inclination please join #pingus and discuss performance with grumbel Mar 24 17:11:11 I could try to make a real bad theme... that ought to smooth the road for the timid ones :) Mar 24 17:13:10 pupnik: even with libncurses5, libncursesw5 and ncurses-bin, I still get the same error Mar 24 17:13:32 can you paste error or give me more info? Mar 24 17:14:21 pupnik: "Error opening terminal: xterm" Mar 24 17:14:37 nothing more Mar 24 17:15:10 which OS? Mar 24 17:15:39 os2008 Mar 24 17:16:18 i have no ideas. will look for the error tonight though Mar 24 17:16:42 we're talking about angband, yes? Mar 24 17:16:54 xterm is in ncurses-base Mar 24 17:17:02 i mean terminals defs Mar 24 17:17:17 try apt-get install ncurses-base Mar 24 17:17:38 thank you KotCzarny \ Mar 24 17:17:41 :) Mar 24 17:17:59 i believe someone had the same error with my playfilelist :) Mar 24 17:18:13 i knew that once but forgot Mar 24 17:18:31 libncurses should depend on ncurses-base imo Mar 24 17:18:32 too many ncursesy things in the world :) Mar 24 17:18:47 dependency hell Mar 24 17:18:48 :) Mar 24 17:18:53 dependancy ? Mar 24 17:19:48 works like charm now... I'll need to find some way not to make it grey on blue, though, but I bet there is an option for that Mar 24 17:20:00 you can edit xterm prefs Mar 24 17:20:31 or hack the source Mar 24 17:20:31 :) Mar 24 17:21:48 -d did it Mar 24 17:23:50 looking at Ti it says the omap includes an IVA (Imaging Video Adapter) - which looking around handles colorspace conversion and scaling. is this considered a part of the PowerVR (and hence NA for now) or is it just underused and could theoretically be used to convert SDL RGB into YUV for sending over the LCD bus? Mar 24 17:24:04 pupnik: thank you for all the help Mar 24 17:24:09 i think iva is supported Mar 24 17:24:15 but i may be wrong Mar 24 17:24:22 if it is then SDL could use it properly Mar 24 17:26:16 or maybe not Mar 24 17:27:08 what a pity. Mar 24 17:28:25 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/14683 Mar 24 17:29:38 Jakub.Pavelek at nokia : Mar 24 17:29:43 AFAIK there is no USB-OTG in N800. The connector (HW) does not handle it Mar 24 17:29:43 so no effort spent in the kernel either. Mar 24 17:29:44 hehehe Mar 24 17:30:01 Jan 17, 2007, Mar 24 17:30:02 ;) Mar 24 17:30:47 wheeeeee Mar 24 17:31:21 haha fanoush was a genius then as he is now Mar 24 17:31:31 KotCzarny, but usb otg is now in 08 kernel Mar 24 17:31:35 yup Mar 24 17:31:42 but look at the situation Mar 24 17:31:51 someone in nokia says: sorry, no go Mar 24 17:32:00 and then it changes to: working Mar 24 17:32:01 :) Mar 24 17:32:05 so asking the right questions may end up with support later :) Mar 24 17:32:20 * KotCzarny just hopes they will do the same with iva and sbx ;) Mar 24 17:32:22 okay, i am having trouble figuring out the step 6 -fanoush's modified initfs and bootmenu for cloning Mar 24 17:32:24 i mean mbx Mar 24 17:32:54 its the same with anything, we have customers calling asking for things, at the time we have to (as matter of policy) say no. when examining things and looking around at other things often a change becomes a simple thing and sources are adapted Mar 24 17:33:32 unless product goes end-of-life Mar 24 17:33:49 (although the customers who ask for a magic button which should know exactly what they want in that sspecific instance are the worst and they never get what they want) Mar 24 17:34:48 i think once a product becomes abandonware it should be law that its spec is opened up. if you dont want to abandon it, great. but once you do you leave it in a reusable state for others Mar 24 17:35:00 not going to happen Mar 24 17:35:02 that would be good practice Mar 24 17:35:03 i know Mar 24 17:35:09 see windows 3.x Mar 24 17:35:10 :> Mar 24 17:35:10 it *does* happen sometimes Mar 24 17:35:17 see many hp calculators Mar 24 17:35:26 technically, windows is still in development though Mar 24 17:35:31 thats just a single version Mar 24 17:35:36 yah, same deal as simcity Mar 24 17:35:53 the reason the original dos simcity isn't free is that they still develop the game Mar 24 17:36:18 but isn't it a different product now? Mar 24 17:36:25 completely rerwritten? Mar 24 17:36:29 same product line Mar 24 17:36:59 but you might be right Mar 24 17:37:30 nokia could get round by saying they still make an n series Mar 24 17:38:49 maybe turn it away from software and just think hardware - after all we want to treat sw differently re patenting Mar 24 17:39:06 Howdy all Mar 24 17:39:12 http://komalshah.blogspot.com/2006/09/arr-linux-2618.html Mar 24 17:39:13 hum Mar 24 17:40:05 Brand new user, just bought the n800 to replace my old palm. I was looking on maemo.org for a nive todo app, and found gTodo, but was wondering if there was somethign better or what other people used? Mar 24 17:40:12 GPE? Mar 24 17:41:41 GPE? Mar 24 17:42:07 GPE? Mar 24 17:42:16 GPE? Mar 24 17:42:48 http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/#gpe Mar 24 17:42:49 Cool, found it, I'll check it out, thanks Mar 24 17:43:07 Have any advice for a new user? Mar 24 17:43:20 You will also want http://axique.de/?f=GPE%20Summary with GPE Mar 24 17:43:25 so i want to remove unneeded extra and factory stuff in initfs flashing? Mar 24 17:43:36 Yes, if you want ssh & telnet Mar 24 17:44:21 telnet? that's.... scary Mar 24 17:44:33 Why? Mar 24 17:44:52 telnet server on a wifi device that's going to be network hopping? Mar 24 17:45:15 It's only enabled before bootup if you want it to. Mar 24 17:45:20 ahso Mar 24 17:45:24 It's not enabled when you are in maemo Mar 24 17:45:41 It's meant for recovery if you mess up later on Mar 24 17:47:07 http://www.linkedin.com/in/triloksoni Mar 24 17:47:11 search for IVA Mar 24 17:47:12 :> Mar 24 17:47:41 " Mar 24 17:47:41 * Development of IVA (Image Video Accelarator) 1.0 bridge driver on OMAP-Linux. "? Mar 24 17:47:49 next one is nice too Mar 24 17:48:04 ooh, I think I get you Mar 24 17:51:23 i got to /me likes it when conversations start Mar 24 17:51:28 -i got to Mar 24 18:00:37 crap Mar 24 18:00:53 ./nupgrade.sh 0 is failing Mar 24 18:01:14 sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -l reports Mar 24 18:01:33 /dev/mmcblk0p2 is linux partition type Mar 24 18:01:53 but nupgrade.sh states cannot stat /dev/mmcblk0p2 Mar 24 18:01:55 ! Mar 24 18:07:10 does the encryption and signing in OS 2008's default email program use PGP? Mar 24 18:07:22 grrrrrrrrrrrrrr Mar 24 18:08:09 ah. rebooting fixed Mar 24 18:08:11 weird Mar 24 18:09:22 okay, ince i am done with the nupgrade process, rebooting will automatically go into the cloned system? Mar 24 18:09:56 nope, hold down menu on reboot Mar 24 18:10:01 and do i WANT sardine? Mar 24 18:10:04 nope Mar 24 18:10:04 or install bootmenu Mar 24 18:10:06 :) Mar 24 18:10:15 i really want a usable system. Mar 24 18:10:17 he's already got that installed from what I read :) Mar 24 18:10:29 oh, then customize it Mar 24 18:10:29 :) Mar 24 18:10:35 i have bootmenu, yeah Mar 24 18:10:51 Defaults are quite nice on it :) , just use cal-tool to set default if you wish Mar 24 18:11:10 Although I was in odd mode and I made a bootmenu.conf with support up to 5 partitions Mar 24 18:11:18 :) Mar 24 18:11:46 Dunno why lol, I removed my Linux partition when I tried mmc clone :D Mar 24 18:17:10 cal-tool? Mar 24 18:18:50 usb hard drive? Mar 24 18:19:02 * koyote boots into new environment. Mar 24 18:19:54 okay, i can't format the dos side of the card now Mar 24 18:25:54 uh oh. Mar 24 18:26:01 installing ssh is hanging. great. Mar 24 18:28:13 it probably asks for root pass Mar 24 18:28:22 ah Mar 24 18:28:26 and generating keys Mar 24 18:28:28 so wait Mar 24 18:28:30 :) Mar 24 18:28:44 yah, took longer this time than last time Mar 24 18:32:11 now what? i guess a real bash and binutils, emacs, get the bt keyboard working. Mar 24 18:32:30 * koyote has 880MB total, yay Mar 24 18:32:49 just don't set bash as a default shell Mar 24 18:33:13 536mb available. cool. Mar 24 18:34:44 how stable is fanoush's kernel? the mmc high speed sounds..... interesting. Mar 24 18:35:27 as long your card supports it Mar 24 18:35:29 :) Mar 24 18:39:10 yah. patriot 4gb sdhc, actually Mar 24 18:43:42 bye Mar 24 18:45:09 ad garnet vm. sweet Mar 24 18:51:14 * koyote grumbles about the bt keyboard Mar 24 18:52:54 i think something is really wrong here Mar 24 18:54:20 what's wrong with bt keyboard? Mar 24 18:56:51 won't pair Mar 24 18:57:19 it's an older whink outside, originally purchased for a blackberry, which needed special drivers. so i wonder if it isn't actually hid Mar 24 18:58:23 try with a laptop pc Mar 24 18:59:17 fysa, could i bend your ear a little regarding a little xv app i wrote? its having cpu power issues and im wondering if theres a clean workaround Mar 24 18:59:53 there are apparently 3 keys you press to set up pairing mode. Mar 24 18:59:54 koyote, the IT recognizes the bluetooth keyboard, attempts to pair, shows you the code to type(?) but no further? Mar 24 19:00:04 but no one says what they are Mar 24 19:00:18 ah, that's a different problem :) Mar 24 19:00:27 koyote: look at the bottom of kb Mar 24 19:00:29 fysa: well, i just found that Mar 24 19:00:38 mine has the magic code written there Mar 24 19:00:42 KotCzarny: nope Mar 24 19:00:42 koyote, mail the manufacturer or search for product guide Mar 24 19:00:51 lcuk, sure, but I can't make any promises -- xv neophyte here Mar 24 19:01:01 or check inside the battery cover Mar 24 19:01:14 not there either Mar 24 19:01:21 maybe take the batteries out for 30 minutes.. Mar 24 19:01:27 mine has: ctrl - left fn - right fn Mar 24 19:01:33 keep them for few secs. Mar 24 19:01:36 and see if it comes back up as pairable when it powers on. Mar 24 19:01:51 it makes it discoverable Mar 24 19:01:53 KotCzarny: what model? Mar 24 19:01:59 igo ultra slim Mar 24 19:02:27 a trick that works on Windows is to hook up a USB keyboard also, type the passcode on the USB keyboard, then hit enter on the bluetooth keyboard.. ;) Mar 24 19:02:28 try looking for a manual in pdf Mar 24 19:02:38 ok fysa :) - i wrote a little book reader which has a blit routine to draw glyphs. during the course of doing it i noticed the cpu was slowing itself down unless i wiggled mouse. the more i have optimised it the more this problem has occured. i have solved it for testing by switching my cpu power saving onto performance but i cannot expect a user to do the same Mar 24 19:02:43 fysa: but you need to make kb discoverable first Mar 24 19:02:44 :) Mar 24 19:03:12 lcuk: make a switch Mar 24 19:03:16 problem solved Mar 24 19:03:18 :) Mar 24 19:03:30 lcuk, I think this is an OS2008 bug. Mar 24 19:03:46 i dont think its a bug, its just not detecting i want to use the cpu Mar 24 19:03:54 lol - ok thats the definition of a bug Mar 24 19:04:07 I mean -- the overly aggressive throttling Mar 24 19:04:13 and how it also affects mmc speeds Mar 24 19:04:59 so leaving it as an option is about the only reasonable solution for time being and i shouldnt worry Mar 24 19:05:18 yup Mar 24 19:05:29 it should be decided by the user Mar 24 19:05:38 it shouldnt need to be decided Mar 24 19:05:40 more smooth or more battery Mar 24 19:05:58 people are different Mar 24 19:06:11 there's no fricking way to make one app for all Mar 24 19:06:19 how does it work when you alter it prior to your blit functions, then set it back when the app is done? Mar 24 19:06:34 i don't have the same keys as the current versions, apparently Mar 24 19:07:03 koyote: find the manual in pdf? Mar 24 19:07:04 :) Mar 24 19:08:09 how long does it take for the CPU to scale up? Mar 24 19:08:15 at the moment if i leave it as default it winds back to 9fps and judders more (though no tearing), if i enable it then it runs at 27fps and moves smoothly Mar 24 19:08:30 instant if you touch the dsptask ;) Mar 24 19:08:31 or does it never scale from your function? Mar 24 19:08:32 right, it's the think outside shasta model Mar 24 19:08:47 im not sure but im writing it to the "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" field Mar 24 19:09:13 you shouldn't touch it without user's consent Mar 24 19:09:14 :) Mar 24 19:09:18 i wanted a way to put my process into a higher priority mode, but in reading it sounds like it wouldnt change stepping Mar 24 19:09:24 mp3task? Mar 24 19:09:24 100% kot Mar 24 19:09:31 well kot has suggested this Mar 24 19:09:47 i think dsptask would do also Mar 24 19:09:52 it very well might work, i will have to see how it goes Mar 24 19:10:09 think: scrolling sounds ;) Mar 24 19:10:13 and tapping Mar 24 19:10:30 well, i did want to try using the dsp as a blitter ;) Mar 24 19:10:39 will work too Mar 24 19:10:51 if you manage to make a dsp routine ;) Mar 24 19:11:01 ill give it a try, because it feels dirty setting the governor Mar 24 19:11:51 I believe general performance in OS2008 is worse than OS2007 unless you're pegging the CPU, the aggressive thresholds they use for throttling work to keep the battery life comparable while giving you more top-end seem to fall apart even when simply web browsing.. Mar 24 19:11:53 i think i will end up writing a hand waving parser sometime Mar 24 19:12:24 aha Mar 24 19:12:28 yer it scales back quickly enough but doesnt trigger itself up to max easily Mar 24 19:12:31 the shasta isn't bt hid Mar 24 19:12:34 it is serial Mar 24 19:12:47 fanoush at one time had a driver for it for the 770 Mar 24 19:12:53 right, ill head down the dsp route and see if initialising it leaves me up at full Mar 24 19:13:10 thx fysa & kot :) Mar 24 19:13:29 device/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold? maybe sampling_rate Mar 24 19:13:39 are those in use for us? Mar 24 19:13:51 probably Mar 24 19:14:09 this may be hard Mar 24 19:14:25 koyote: try pairing this kb with a pc first :> Mar 24 19:14:46 root use = yes - its RO for user Mar 24 19:15:06 lcuk, as you find yourself in a good position to test these things.. you may want to play with up_threshold and sampling_rate Mar 24 19:15:13 to see if you can get it to jump up to full CPU more quickly Mar 24 19:15:21 KotCzarny: it is not hid Mar 24 19:15:25 it isn't. Mar 24 19:15:32 koyote: :> Mar 24 19:15:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-6129.html Mar 24 19:15:36 ok fysa - i will have a twiddle before i alter everything for dsp Mar 24 19:15:40 it is the shasta model Mar 24 19:15:47 because whatever you find that makes your scrolling smooth, that's what I want to use system-wide ;) Mar 24 19:15:50 serial sounds as a battery sucker Mar 24 19:16:08 older bt connection method *shrug* Mar 24 19:16:19 i may try to get it working Mar 24 19:16:42 Fanoush has a serial kbd driver on his site Mar 24 19:16:48 For os2008 Mar 24 19:16:58 sampling_rate = 156250 Mar 24 19:17:08 up_threshold = 80 Mar 24 19:17:31 qwerty12_N800: yah, i saw it, going to download Mar 24 19:17:54 Skeen, good luck with it :) Mar 24 19:18:16 that means 80% of the currently scaled CPU sends you to the next level up Mar 24 19:18:29 I believe. Mar 24 19:18:46 hi all Mar 24 19:18:54 Hello Mar 24 19:19:30 can you tell me what is the right(TM) way to install the latest SDK? Mar 24 19:19:41 Are the scripts for the sdk and scratchbox the way to go? Mar 24 19:22:08 kpel: the "best" thing is to download the applicance , it gives the less troubles Mar 24 19:22:52 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 24 19:22:55 keesj: not sure what you mean. you mean i should install scratchbox without the script provided? Mar 24 19:23:14 ok i'll have a look Mar 24 19:24:08 that is really the no brain approach . but installing sbox and such is certainly not an impossible task Mar 24 19:25:10 keesj: i agree 100%. it just seems to be the case that the provided script doesn't work for me although it uses apt-get to do everything (and according to maemo.org is the only supported solution) Mar 24 19:25:23 Setting up scratchbox-devkit-perl (1.0.4) ... Mar 24 19:25:23 E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. Mar 24 19:25:23 E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. Mar 24 19:25:47 there is no bin directory in /scratchbox/compilers Mar 24 19:26:08 kpel: any errors earlier than that? Mar 24 19:26:46 nop Mar 24 19:27:21 5G of disk space for the vmware thing? i don't have that much :) Mar 24 19:27:34 i'l;l try to install scratchbox manually Mar 24 19:28:09 Which distribution are u installing it on? Mar 24 19:28:59 qwerty12_N800: xubuntu 7.10 Mar 24 19:29:58 Were you installing with -d argument? I'm 80% sure that gets dpkg packages rather than tar files Mar 24 19:30:48 qwerty12_N800: accordign tot he script on debian-based distros the default is -d Mar 24 19:31:04 searched the maemo.org site, found nothing - Problem and QUESTION is - why does my wifi not find any nodes anymore? just suddenly happened, worked at the cafe, doesnt work at home - rebooted home wireless, no change, reflashed 770 with latest HE - no change. Mar 24 19:31:37 the packages were downloaded fine. there was a complain that the packages cannot be authenticated but installation proceeded until the error Mar 24 19:31:39 Oh ok, i installed with -d option manually 8-) Mar 24 19:32:58 fireun: I have / had the same problems on my 770 Mar 24 19:33:15 keesj: the wierdest thing is - I have two 770s, and they both are doing it now Mar 24 19:33:27 kpel: which version are you installing? Mar 24 19:33:36 once it started even going back to it2007 did not seam to resolve the prolbem Mar 24 19:33:37 keesj: normally, both have been online recently. the media player went borked as well Mar 24 19:33:43 fireun: burned wifi? Mar 24 19:33:51 KotCzarny: on two 770s? Mar 24 19:33:55 :) Mar 24 19:34:02 If I play long enough (or wait while in the "detection" dialog at one point it kind of starts working Mar 24 19:34:15 KotCzarny: the one I use the most is usually streaming music, so sure, I could understand one going out, but both? Mar 24 19:34:23 emp? Mar 24 19:34:25 :> Mar 24 19:34:27 qwerty12_N800: scratchbox-core_1.0.8 Mar 24 19:34:37 KotCzarny: thats it Mar 24 19:34:45 KotCzarny: micro-emp Mar 24 19:34:50 :) Mar 24 19:35:52 keesj: its almost like the media player corruption and wifi breaking are related Mar 24 19:36:25 running 4.2008.7-1 (updated today) on the most used 770 Mar 24 19:36:25 Kpell:My bad, what number do the scripts have on them? Mar 24 19:36:39 keesj: its like its been "deactivated" Mar 24 19:36:42 *kpel Mar 24 19:36:54 qwerty12_N800: maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh and maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh Mar 24 19:37:01 took them yesterday from amemo.org Mar 24 19:37:09 maemo.org Mar 24 19:39:12 well I'm just goint to assume a conspiracy - one losing its wifi is one thing, BOTH 770s losing it on the same day, very sceptical of that being "natural causes" Mar 24 19:39:18 That's odd, I used them scripts on ubuntu fine :( i just used this guide http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 and mounted the vmware appliance and took the great bits from that :p Mar 24 19:40:37 and I'll keep lurking, randomly asking if anyone has any diagnostic ideas to figuring out why no wifi no mo Mar 24 19:40:40 ): Mar 24 19:42:09 is it ANY wireless thats missing, or specifically just yours Mar 24 19:42:42 searching finds no connections Mar 24 19:43:00 Does dmesg say anything? Mar 24 19:43:02 and I know there are several findable nearby besides mine Mar 24 19:43:09 reinstalling xterm to do that, yeh Mar 24 19:43:17 fireun: and if you first enter a new connection (via the menu->settings thingy?) Mar 24 19:43:22 but if the problem at your house effects 2 770s and at least one completely flashed then it might be just your house Mar 24 19:43:43 lcuk: seems reasonable, but thats not what I'm seeing Mar 24 19:43:53 lcuk: two 770s with no findable wifis Mar 24 19:44:29 do you have a wifi computer to check from? Mar 24 19:44:46 lcuk: yeah, my laptop finds several nodes Mar 24 19:45:02 an EM pulse might have gone off around you - there arent thousands of dead bodies around and other electrical stuff isnt broken is it Mar 24 19:45:50 if you have a newly flashed model, did you restore the backup after flashing - if so it could have something to do with software installed on both Mar 24 19:46:10 if you could check immediately after reflashing but not restoring anything Mar 24 19:46:34 dmesg shows scanning 11 channels, shows omapfb_notifier going thru state changes, and aic23 powering up , initing, then powering down Mar 24 19:46:40 and then cycles that last three Mar 24 19:46:45 what is aic23? Mar 24 19:46:59 did not use backup-restore Mar 24 19:47:21 lcuk: oh, no dead bodies, just lots of slavering zombies? Mar 24 19:47:57 damn, it looks like your town has been infested by Microsoft staff Mar 24 19:48:49 it does sound strange that both went down at same time Mar 24 19:49:28 Is there any way to have 2008 installed, but use the 2007 theme? Mar 24 19:49:28 fireun: this sounds odd but what does "chroot /mnt/initfs/ wlan-cal" do? I get - Pushing default country...[OK] Mar 24 19:49:28 Pushing MAC address...[OK] Mar 24 19:49:29 Pushing IQ tuned values...[OK] Mar 24 19:49:29 Pushing TX tuned values...[OK] Mar 24 19:49:29 Pushing TX limits...[OK] Mar 24 19:49:31 Pushing RX tuned values...Using default values [OK] Mar 24 19:50:13 strayhikari: i'm wanting the same thing :D Mar 24 19:50:51 qwerty12: ya I love the smaller menus, and the 2007 icons on the left side of the screen look so much nicer than the 2008 icons Mar 24 19:51:18 qwerty12_N800: chroot not found (: Mar 24 19:51:41 strayhikari: Menus I don't think are set by the the theme :( Mar 24 19:51:59 fireun: must be a 2008 thing then :& Mar 24 19:52:10 *:( Mar 24 19:53:00 bummer Mar 24 19:53:13 What about those icons, do you know how to change those qwerty12? Mar 24 19:53:28 qwerty12_N800: yeah, I'm really confused about the loss of wifi on two 770s Mar 24 19:53:37 StRanGE Mar 24 19:54:21 strayhikari: They are in the pixmaps folder afaik. I would like a dump of the /usr/share/themes from os2007 (anyone? :D) Mar 24 19:54:44 fireun: That's odd :( Mar 24 19:55:51 where is libgdbm3 in maemo? Mar 24 19:56:14 qwerty12_N800: I'm at a loss to explain it Mar 24 19:57:45 please send it Mar 24 19:58:10 fireun:have you tried the sysklogd daemon? Mar 24 19:58:34 qwerty12_N800: I was at my gf's connected to a sketchy openwifi, came home to plug it into the stereo, no connection - tried the other 770 just to get music going and it also couldnt find any wifi nodes, walked around the house, nada from both. WiERd Mar 24 19:58:50 qwerty12_N800: you'll have to be more explicit, something I need to install? Mar 24 19:58:54 hey guys Mar 24 19:59:07 fireun: Yes, sorry,brb Mar 24 19:59:09 qwerty12_N800: have rebooted the home wifi and modem just for shits and giggles, no change Mar 24 19:59:36 both were running HE two versions back Mar 24 19:59:39 maybe it was a bug Mar 24 20:00:02 turned off something in the hardware or lower level wifi config files Mar 24 20:01:03 i'm curious Mar 24 20:01:13 would anyone here pay for software on their IT? Mar 24 20:01:21 nope Mar 24 20:01:23 :) Mar 24 20:01:27 but donating Mar 24 20:01:31 that's something different Mar 24 20:01:32 :) Mar 24 20:01:41 :''( Mar 24 20:01:48 interesting Mar 24 20:02:00 unless you get powervr libs Mar 24 20:02:02 ;) Mar 24 20:02:12 there are a fw things i would pay for, maybe. Mar 24 20:02:15 KotCzarny: as an author, I'm not sure I'd even want the donations. I'd just want enough users and positive comments to assure me a discount on the next device ;-) Mar 24 20:02:21 donations are fine, and preferred Mar 24 20:02:35 fireun: 'apt-get install sysklogd' should do it. i only did it on chinook, are you in os2006? Mar 24 20:03:10 KotCzarny: does the n800 have a powervr chip in it? Mar 24 20:03:15 yup Mar 24 20:03:21 but no libs Mar 24 20:03:27 damn ;_; Mar 24 20:03:33 fireun: If you keep the wifi on, set it to auto connect and reboot and check /var/log/syslog Mar 24 20:03:38 that would rock, video woudl be so much better? Mar 24 20:03:56 qwerty12_N800: no net connection, will have to get the package manually, then usb-copy Mar 24 20:04:11 qwerty12_N800: using HE-2008 at the moment Mar 24 20:04:15 strayhikari: maybe Mar 24 20:04:18 Ok, I'll check for depends Mar 24 20:04:32 Ok, ttat shouldnt be a prob then Mar 24 20:04:49 Can anyone recommend some software for encoding/optomizing videos for the n800? Mar 24 20:05:02 strayhikari: look thru the maemo wiki Mar 24 20:05:06 ok Mar 24 20:05:29 mediautils? Mar 24 20:06:38 fireun: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ grab klogd_1.4.1-17.osso1_armel.deb 20.02.2008 & sysklogd_1.4.1-17.osso1_armel.deb 20.02.2008 15:41 56152 Mar 24 20:06:54 Installing with dpkg will be easier Mar 24 20:07:57 qwerty12_N800 Mar 24 20:08:11 qwerty12_N800 where is libgdbm3 in maemo? Mar 24 20:09:19 Wait a min Mar 24 20:10:20 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gdbm/libgdbm3_1.8.3-2_armel.deb Mar 24 20:11:03 strayhikari: as koyote says, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ - I'm just working on a new version of tablet-encode as we speak Mar 24 20:11:05 qwerty12_N800 thank u 1000 :D Mar 24 20:11:21 Np :) Mar 24 20:15:09 umm what about libreadline4 (4.3-1) ? Mar 24 20:18:10 tnx no need Mar 24 20:20:22 Hi Mar 24 20:20:35 Hello Mar 24 20:24:30 Irc over Rtcomm is nice w00t! Mar 24 20:25:39 Jaffa: cool! Thanks for the info Mar 24 20:25:55 I'll definitely be checking out your stuff tonight Mar 24 20:30:24 qwerty12_N800: nah, no nick completion Mar 24 20:30:32 xchat is better Mar 24 20:30:58 Do you have xchat on tablets? Mar 24 20:31:53 * Brains installed xchat on his N810... He plans on switching to irssi at some point though. XChat just annoys him even though he's been using it everywhere recently. Mar 24 20:32:37 N810 hmm, I need something with hildon keyboard support Mar 24 20:32:47 Irssi annoyed me Mar 24 20:34:23 qwerty12_N800: I found some beta in dusty corner of the interne Mar 24 20:34:28 for chinook Mar 24 20:34:35 2.8.4 Mar 24 20:34:38 google for xchat chicnook Mar 24 20:34:41 Anybody knows how to get fakeroot + popen (C function) to work on armel targets? Mar 24 20:34:52 Ah ok thanks all Mar 24 20:34:52 sample C code: http://pastebin.com/d67012c14 Mar 24 20:36:28 qwerty12_N800 do u have python2.5-osso_0.3 ? Mar 24 20:37:39 That one i cannot help with, pymaemo should be done from app manager or apt-get, quite a lot of packages afaicr Mar 24 20:39:27 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python-osso/python2.5-osso_0.3-1osso3_armel.deb Mar 24 20:39:29 :D Mar 24 20:40:01 Fookin brilliant, xchat is hildonised afaic, thanks again! Mar 24 20:40:14 it mostly is Mar 24 20:40:44 text area could use scrolling instead of selection Mar 24 20:40:58 I use it as main client in linux & mirc in windows Mar 24 20:41:09 mirc bites Mar 24 20:41:23 use xchat for windows from silverex Mar 24 20:41:47 I kinda like mirc with nonamescript Mar 24 20:41:49 hmm Mar 24 20:41:52 anyone noticed Mar 24 20:42:07 n800 plastic case has some 'red dust' in it? Mar 24 20:42:21 visible in direct sunlight Mar 24 20:42:27 qwerty12_N800: partially hindonized, yes :) Mar 24 20:42:27 don't have N800 Mar 24 20:42:43 s/partially/mostly/ Mar 24 20:42:58 <||cw> don't worry, that's just radioactive material, so you are easier to track by satellite Mar 24 20:43:07 ah, ok Mar 24 20:43:09 <||cw> opps, i wasn't supposed to say that Mar 24 20:43:18 i thought it was toxic ;) Mar 24 20:44:02 i'm just testin 8-) :p Mar 24 20:45:17 Yes, I like it :) Mar 24 20:45:32 use the zoom key to switch chans Mar 24 20:45:48 full whammy Mar 24 20:46:17 I'm only ever in #maemo. Sad but I never used irc before except for #xbins Mar 24 20:46:38 well, I'm on a few chans Mar 24 20:48:05 Italodance: stop private messaging me. I'm on a slow tablet, I don't have the energy to find packages. Just get a router. Mar 24 20:48:31 slow? roffles Mar 24 20:48:41 are using Treo or what? Mar 24 20:48:45 :P Mar 24 20:48:56 MicroB goes really slow for me p Mar 24 20:49:01 +:P Mar 24 20:49:02 qwerty12_N800: Error: ":P" is not a valid command. Mar 24 20:49:13 heh, nope Mar 24 20:49:32 it's fast enough Mar 24 20:49:43 qwerty: use links -g Mar 24 20:49:44 :) Mar 24 20:49:54 not in repos! Mar 24 20:49:57 pf Mar 24 20:50:00 compile one ! Mar 24 20:50:01 ;) Mar 24 20:50:04 :P Mar 24 20:50:07 or i can give you binary Mar 24 20:50:08 :P Mar 24 20:50:15 or rebuild microb with newer trunk Mar 24 20:50:21 Links & links2 are already compiled :) Mar 24 20:50:25 :) Mar 24 20:50:34 my stupid vmware-server went on a strike Mar 24 20:51:02 I'm not so hot on ncurses on n800 though. Mar 24 20:51:31 links2 is graphical Mar 24 20:51:36 ie. x.orgish Mar 24 20:51:44 but not hildon Mar 24 20:51:54 X suckkit Mar 24 20:51:59 works for me. Mar 24 20:52:00 :) Mar 24 20:52:31 :) I'm slow with xkbd tho :( Mar 24 20:53:02 yup Mar 24 20:54:16 This is one of the many times where I wished I had a bt keyboard :p (no, not a n810 :p) Mar 24 20:54:26 * KotCzarny has one Mar 24 20:54:29 25$ Mar 24 20:54:30 :) Mar 24 20:54:41 fireun: can you try something for me? Mar 24 20:55:21 Kotczarny: not bad, do they have uk shipping? ;P exchange rate is nice... Mar 24 20:55:26 erm Mar 24 20:55:29 don't know Mar 24 20:55:35 but i hunted it down on CL Mar 24 20:55:36 :) Mar 24 20:56:15 Lol, I was j/king :), i'm broke! :O :p Mar 24 20:57:23 i may end up having to buy one if the kbdd stuff doesn't start working Mar 24 20:58:37 and i suspect it won't be as stable as an hid keyboard anyhow Mar 24 21:00:36 http://www.tuaw.com/2007/03/18/tux-paint-open-source-kids-paint-program/ Mar 24 21:00:37 :) Mar 24 21:01:05 'the coolest thing I've noticed about the program is that it actually has stereo sound. If you drag your brush from the left side to the right side of the screen, you can hear it going across your blank pallette.' Mar 24 21:01:06 :> Mar 24 21:02:50 router h8s me Mar 24 21:04:11 hmm... tell me if I got this right. If I reflash my 770 with the USB port in host mode, I can't connect it to my computer any more? Mar 24 21:07:46 lcuk: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/ Mar 24 21:07:47 :) Mar 24 21:09:16 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ isn't it dangarous anymore to use a new theme like this? months ago, there was a star trak theme, which destroyed the desktop and cant deinstalled anymore...what about this? Mar 24 21:09:30 no problem here Mar 24 21:09:32 worked ok Mar 24 21:09:53 (n800, os2008) Mar 24 21:11:09 okay Mar 24 21:11:22 nuvopearl is safe, it's not as hardcore as lcars Mar 24 21:15:49 eichi: just remember to never uninstall a "running" theme Mar 24 21:16:57 i did, nightmare..., i had to reinstall theme, lucky i didn't reboot Mar 24 21:19:04 * Brains likes his LCARS. (But he's married so he can't be all that far gone on the geeky scale... Right?) Mar 24 21:19:46 * qwerty12 isn't a trekkie Mar 24 21:23:24 KotCzarny, i have implimented that already :) Mar 24 21:23:53 i get raw mouse events now instead of up/down/motion Mar 24 21:26:39 i was playing with strokes and other stuff before i cleaned up the playtest. ive got a tiny drawing app and handwriting program (I was originally going to use handwriting as the base glyphs but ttf came together quicker) Mar 24 21:26:44 eichi: yeah. nuvopearl is perfectly safe. Mar 24 21:26:53 ThemeMaker produces 'safe' content. Mar 24 21:27:33 eichi, the lcars theme also installed other things and did more than just changed the actual theme Mar 24 21:28:00 it was a pack which included theme + other tweaks which were not directly themable Mar 24 21:29:58 I want to see adria in chinook :(. mounting jffs2 image has screwy permissions Mar 24 21:43:15 aliens in Nivens: "A mote in gods eye" are linux hackers. Mar 24 21:44:44 (that was a public information broadcast) Mar 24 21:44:49 o.O Mar 24 21:47:12 http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=32850 Mar 24 21:47:13 :> Mar 24 21:47:18 lcuk: link? Mar 24 21:48:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye :) go find the book yourself of get it from a store Mar 24 21:48:44 * lcuk has read lots of niven :) Mar 24 21:48:46 ah. book. Mar 24 21:49:02 i thought aliens have landed Mar 24 21:49:03 :> Mar 24 21:50:26 nahh as i am reading it im noticing they hack everything Mar 24 21:56:17 hello, does anyone know if connection between two usb host ports is supposed to work? Mar 24 21:56:26 nope Mar 24 21:57:04 sure? Mar 24 21:57:07 yup Mar 24 21:57:14 argh Mar 24 21:57:29 but you can put nokia's port in device mode Mar 24 21:57:39 without reflashing? Mar 24 21:57:43 yup Mar 24 21:57:45 how? Mar 24 21:57:53 there was a statusbar tool Mar 24 21:58:15 and probably via writing to /sys somewhere will work too Mar 24 21:59:21 hmm Mar 24 22:00:58 it's in device mode to begin with... Mar 24 22:01:09 (i'm assuming you have n8x0 and recent os) Mar 24 22:01:13 by default the n8x0 acts like a usb card reader Mar 24 22:01:31 I have a 770 and it is flashed to host mode Mar 24 22:01:38 ah. Mar 24 22:01:45 about 770 i know nothing Mar 24 22:01:45 :) Mar 24 22:02:02 me neither. sorry. :( Mar 24 22:02:11 mikho, dig into the kernel Mar 24 22:02:12 sniff :( Mar 24 22:02:19 maybe you can compile usb as a module? Mar 24 22:02:45 or it's in rom somewhere? Mar 24 22:03:59 I'm not sure what you mean Mar 24 22:04:16 that's ok, neither is he :) Mar 24 22:04:26 :) Mar 24 22:06:23 mikho: if you simply want to access your 770 files on pc try nfs Mar 24 22:15:00 [23:06] mikho: if you simply want to access your 770 files on pc try nfs <- or a USB cable :p Mar 24 22:17:51 i think nfs is more readily available than proper usb cable Mar 24 22:17:52 :) Mar 24 22:18:37 because for host-host connection he can't use dumb cable Mar 24 22:18:53 ie. one that came with his nokia :P Mar 24 22:19:11 i just read the last line and replied something :) Mar 24 22:19:36 yeah Mar 24 22:35:07 hi Mar 24 22:51:00 hi guys, i have a strange question - does anyone know if the maemo device program can be used for more than one device? Mar 24 22:51:21 (n810 developers discount) Mar 24 22:52:28 is that program even still going on? Mar 24 22:52:37 i just got my order accepted today (finally) Mar 24 22:52:45 but they are apparently sending two Mar 24 22:52:59 leaves me in a moral dillema i thought id find out what the rules are Mar 24 22:53:54 I don't think they're supposed to send two O_o Mar 24 22:54:44 me either :-) but it seems a little wrong Mar 24 22:55:01 they called to ask if i ordered two Mar 24 22:55:40 i thought maybe that was ok, but i'll probably say no... it seems a bit greedy Mar 24 22:56:09 :> Mar 24 22:56:10 did they apply the discount to both? Mar 24 22:56:29 yes, they refused the first order and then put the second one through followed by the first Mar 24 22:56:36 hehe Mar 24 22:56:57 im not sure how the contract works, as far as they know the computer says 'send them' Mar 24 22:57:24 whaddya think? two or not.... Mar 24 22:57:53 i thought id ask some people that might understand a bit :) Mar 24 22:57:54 is it a trick question? Mar 24 22:58:09 i think it goes against the community vibe to take two no? Mar 24 22:58:25 but the best thing would probably be to take two and then run a developers competition to donate it or something Mar 24 22:58:27 this is Nokia we're talking about...you're not robbing from the poor. Maybe you can find someone who could use it to develop and cut them a deal? Mar 24 22:58:31 :> Mar 24 22:58:34 heh Mar 24 22:58:37 yeah Mar 24 22:58:55 nokia will have more in the losses from other sources Mar 24 22:58:59 you dont think they can ask for it back or charge me more right? Mar 24 22:59:07 ie. unsold devices than actively used ones Mar 24 22:59:26 i wouldnt want to be disqualified from future programs, I appreciate the discount i cant afford 'one real one' Mar 24 22:59:32 they will probably ask for it back, but who knows if they can legally take it back... Mar 24 22:59:36 hehehe Mar 24 22:59:46 the community would hate them if it was going to a dev competition Mar 24 23:00:43 I think something similar already happened on itt or here where they accidentally sold one to someone in the device program for $0 and then decided they wanted it back Mar 24 23:00:55 I don't remember how that turned out Mar 24 23:01:18 yeah, that happened to a number of european locales Mar 24 23:01:30 they followed the $0 devices up with $99eur + shipping bills Mar 24 23:01:32 or some such Mar 24 23:01:33 i read that somewhere too Mar 24 23:01:34 nice promotion Mar 24 23:01:55 so the question is really how much i trust nokia to be cool then? Mar 24 23:02:05 i think ill probably err on the side of caution then... Mar 24 23:02:10 it's not the nokia, it's the employees Mar 24 23:02:12 :> Mar 24 23:02:25 play dumb Mar 24 23:02:34 if they ask, return one, keep other Mar 24 23:03:25 chocolate rain... Mar 24 23:04:30 thanks guys... the terms and conditions say 'one device' - i guess ill play it safe ... but i had to share it with someone Mar 24 23:04:52 good advice though Mar 24 23:05:02 but we are not lawyers Mar 24 23:05:05 remember that Mar 24 23:05:07 :) Mar 24 23:05:19 eventually enough of us will be :-) Mar 24 23:05:24 probably for the best. glad to hear the device program finally got around to you though. :) Mar 24 23:05:47 yeah - finally I can ditch the zaurus and have a keyboarded maemo ! Mar 24 23:05:54 well, not ditch - its going bsd Mar 24 23:06:33 have a good night Mar 24 23:17:37 just ran an apt-get dist-upgade on my nokia n810 and now the poweroff-button and lock-slider arn't working anymore.... Mar 24 23:17:43 is this a know issue ? Mar 24 23:18:04 (and yes i have an insane amount of cataloges installed :( ) Mar 24 23:18:04 it depends on what repositories you had enabled when you did a dist-upgrade Mar 24 23:18:15 yes, known issue Mar 24 23:18:35 but i saw some updates of nokia come by... but i havn't checked which repository they came from (stupid me) Mar 24 23:19:08 they're probably from the development repo and are the *most likely* ones to mess up your device Mar 24 23:19:30 cause i'm thinking... not much harm if a fix is on the way, possibly downgrading the offending packages (removing the development repo might help :) Mar 24 23:19:47 or otherwise just reflashing latest os2008 release... but it's nice to know people know about it :) Mar 24 23:20:18 most 3rd party developers try to release software that won't mess up your tablet, but Nokia releases whatever they want in some of the repos Mar 24 23:20:51 a dist-upgrade with those repos enabled is definitely a bad idea...and they probably won't release a fix any time before the next "firmware" update Mar 24 23:21:30 hehe sounds like it's the wrong way around :) i mean, repo's shouldn't mess up the device (unless somebody like me is so stupid to include beta/alpha repo's :) Mar 24 23:21:49 but you surely would not expect nokia to release broken packages Mar 24 23:22:11 well their line is "these weren't supposed to be used by normal users" Mar 24 23:22:20 'normal' Mar 24 23:22:21 :> Mar 24 23:22:24 ah well i'll try removing and downgrading tomorrow or otherwise flashing back to os2008 release and just install packages again Mar 24 23:22:37 also their "application manager" will likely refuse to upgrade to those versions Mar 24 23:23:02 and they don't care much about stopping you from doing whatever you want with apt-get (which I consider to be a good thing, actually...) Mar 24 23:23:14 app manager will refuse to upgrade for misc reasons Mar 24 23:23:15 ;) Mar 24 23:23:17 hehe yeah but what's a device with opensource community good for if you shouldn't hack your device :P :) Mar 24 23:23:20 yeah true Mar 24 23:23:31 so hack it, but know that you're hacking it Mar 24 23:23:37 only bad thing to say about it, is that a development repo should be red-flagged Mar 24 23:23:40 apt-get ftw! Mar 24 23:23:52 but true true... i was not careful enough Mar 24 23:23:58 :) it's my fault entirely :) Mar 24 23:24:11 :) Mar 24 23:24:36 (okey and possibly those repository list site, should not include alpha/beta/development repo's in there 'select all repositories' listing) Mar 24 23:24:52 it's just whatever repos people add Mar 24 23:25:05 people have added OS2007 repos to the OS2008 section as well Mar 24 23:25:20 but i was actually semi-expecting some breakage from just adding every repo in the list :) Mar 24 23:26:06 lazy vs time-consuming-ticking-of-the-boxes trade-off (lol) Mar 24 23:26:15 write a script Mar 24 23:26:19 to tick off for you Mar 24 23:26:43 my solution: only add repos that can contain software I want Mar 24 23:27:19 my solution, install via dpkg -i Mar 24 23:27:20 :) Mar 24 23:27:43 KotCzarny, yay! let's resolve all dependencies manually! woo! :P Mar 24 23:27:48 :> Mar 24 23:27:49 and also, on the tablet I try to suppress my "install updates because they're there" reflex :) Mar 24 23:27:56 yeah i worked like that (and should have continued to work like that) but with easter came this 'i feel bold and lucky' moment............. ending with a dist-upgrade :) Mar 24 23:28:00 ok, you can enable extras Mar 24 23:28:04 but nothing more :) Mar 24 23:28:32 speaking of 'dpkg -i', this actually fixed the problem i was getting with the scratchbox install script Mar 24 23:28:32 i'll just stick to the original plan i guess... specially since i saw a mercurial-package for maemo float by somewhere Mar 24 23:28:46 i just used dpkg -i on the packages it fetched and everything worked Mar 24 23:29:03 wanted to create a small hg repository on my device which has some scripts, .install files, etc to easily backup and script the tabled Mar 24 23:31:06 doed gdb come as part of the dev packages of the SDK or do i have to selectdbg packages>? all dev and Mar 24 23:31:12 duh Mar 24 23:31:28 doed gdb come as part of the dev packages of the SDK or do i have to select all dev and dbg packages? Mar 24 23:31:32 a well... important thing is conformation that is was my stupid mistake :) and not some bug/error in the (maemo) firmware Mar 24 23:31:37 probably with sdk Mar 24 23:31:45 as i don't remember installing it Mar 24 23:31:47 now i can sleep well tonight and fix the problems tomorrow ;) Mar 24 23:31:49 thnx guys Mar 24 23:31:57 thanks KotCzarny Mar 24 23:31:57 good luck trbs Mar 24 23:33:29 do you knowo of any xchat package ported for chinook? Mar 24 23:35:25 kpel, yes google for "xchat skyhuser maemo chinook" Mar 24 23:36:11 hmm '>' ? Mar 24 23:36:16 erm. wrong window Mar 24 23:36:17 johnx: thanks Mar 24 23:57:14 hello Mar 24 23:57:23 morning Mar 24 23:57:32 how is wifi brought up in maemo? Mar 24 23:57:43 certainly non-standard Mar 24 23:57:57 of course it is non-standard Mar 24 23:57:57 no wpa_supplicant Mar 24 23:58:05 dbus? Mar 24 23:58:10 probably Mar 24 23:58:48 can't find where to mod for that dhclient to work Mar 25 00:00:32 there is something weird going on with the dhcp client Mar 25 00:00:48 it appears that the router is not sending back any response at all Mar 25 00:01:03 at least, in my situation Mar 25 00:02:49 AStorm, look at icd and wlancond Mar 25 00:03:32 or make a wrapper script called udhcpc that just calls dhclient :P Mar 25 00:03:34 these are executables :P Mar 25 00:03:38 yeah Mar 25 00:03:48 i need dhclient script too Mar 25 00:04:07 KotCzarny: make a full dhcp package, would you? Mar 25 00:04:37 i don't know how Mar 25 00:04:38 :> Mar 25 00:04:54 probably i could simply take debian source package Mar 25 00:05:05 and try compiling it Mar 25 00:05:45 let's see Mar 25 00:06:14 hmm, it can't find interfaces :P Mar 25 00:06:28 no ip_inet proc file Mar 25 00:07:15 astorm: feeling adventurous? Mar 25 00:07:17 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dhcp/dhcp_2.0pl5-19.5etch2_arm.deb Mar 25 00:07:17 :> Mar 25 00:07:24 why not Mar 25 00:08:54 incompatible Mar 25 00:08:59 uhum Mar 25 00:09:02 heh Mar 25 00:09:05 would have to hack it Mar 25 00:09:14 yeah, somehow I don't think application manager will install it :P Mar 25 00:09:20 just dpkg -i Mar 25 00:09:26 need armel not arm too Mar 25 00:09:39 btw. how do you make a deb from sources? Mar 25 00:09:57 with mud-builder in scratchbox Mar 25 00:09:58 with debsomething Mar 25 00:10:04 that too Mar 25 00:10:04 dpkg-buildpackage Mar 25 00:10:08 mhm Mar 25 00:10:12 or ./debian/rules Mar 25 00:10:12 should i unpack it first? Mar 25 00:10:42 just grab the dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz into one dir and run dpkg-source -X foo.dsc Mar 25 00:11:08 it will "do the right thing" then you can dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Mar 25 00:11:25 barfed out Mar 25 00:11:34 dpkg-source: unknown option `-X' Mar 25 00:11:36 ;) Mar 25 00:11:41 maybe small x ? :P Mar 25 00:11:52 yup Mar 25 00:12:36 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: groff Mar 25 00:12:38 doh. Mar 25 00:13:11 remove man pages then? Mar 25 00:13:20 i'll just install groff Mar 25 00:13:23 there's an option for that? Mar 25 00:14:51 gah...trying to do a build in mud-builder but it's failing on other deps Mar 25 00:16:32 doh. barfed on token ring source. Mar 25 00:16:34 grrr. Mar 25 00:16:58 let's try another version Mar 25 00:24:05 astorm: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pump_0.8.24-2.1_armel.deb Mar 25 00:24:06 :) Mar 25 00:24:31 pump is probably fail too :P Mar 25 00:24:42 but it's always good to check Mar 25 00:24:46 in sid there are no dhcp-client Mar 25 00:25:06 http://packages.debian.org/sid/dhcp-client Mar 25 00:25:23 gimme a real http link Mar 25 00:25:28 doh Mar 25 00:25:40 can't you just add http? Mar 25 00:25:41 :) Mar 25 00:25:56 copy and paste is awkward Mar 25 00:26:06 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pump_0.8.24-2.1_armel.deb Mar 25 00:26:07 doh Mar 25 00:26:19 (and the bots suck my poor thttpd Mar 25 00:26:30 sid armel dhcp3-client exists... Mar 25 00:26:48 johnx: weird they have both Mar 25 00:27:57 astorm: i can try sid's udhcpc Mar 25 00:28:06 heh Mar 25 00:28:13 i mean compiling a package Mar 25 00:28:14 :) Mar 25 00:28:25 I've to make pump write to another resolv.conf Mar 25 00:28:36 there's a chance they have fixed some bugs Mar 25 00:30:17 KotCzarny, it's exactly the same version as etch/stable... Mar 25 00:30:38 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/udhcpc_0.9.8cvs20050303-2_armel.deb Mar 25 00:30:39 :) Mar 25 00:44:19 KotCzarny, apt-cache policy udhcpc | grep Installed = Installed: 0.9.8cvs20050303-2osso4 Mar 25 00:44:27 :) Mar 25 00:44:50 then if debian has the same udhcpc.. Mar 25 00:45:03 we can't blame nokia n8x0 Mar 25 00:45:04 :) Mar 25 00:45:09 wow. reader.google.com detects when I toggle fullscreen and responds to it. Mar 25 00:52:44 Hey guys, what find stores the list of repositories on your tablet? Mar 25 00:53:11 cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Mar 25 00:54:31 it automagically collapses the feed list when I fullscreen. Mar 25 01:05:58 WormFood, is there any chance you could put the *exact* output you get from udhcpc on pastebin or something? Mar 25 01:09:57 It'd be a pretty bad idea to do a "apt-get update libc6", right? Mar 25 01:10:33 if you have rogue repos.. Mar 25 01:10:34 :) Mar 25 01:10:58 yllus, apt-cache policy libc6 Mar 25 01:11:12 what repo will the "candidate" come from? Mar 25 01:11:30 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages Mar 25 01:11:41 are you still on OS2007? Mar 25 01:11:48 No, OS2006 Mar 25 01:11:50 * yllus cringes Mar 25 01:11:57 :> Mar 25 01:11:59 yes...probably a very bad idea Mar 25 01:12:05 haha, worth a try Mar 25 01:12:13 Hard to find applications that work with my old 770 lately Mar 25 01:12:28 I can almost guarantee it will make your 770 unbootable if you install it Mar 25 01:12:31 install os2007he Mar 25 01:12:33 :) Mar 25 01:12:49 yllus, try 2007HE or 2008HE (if you're feeling a little adventurous) Mar 25 01:13:04 or debian if you're feeling really adventurous :D Mar 25 01:13:09 haha Mar 25 01:13:19 Ah, I'm just too comfortable with my install of 2006 to do it - figured I'd ask though Mar 25 01:13:44 :> Mar 25 01:13:55 you're not comfortable if you ask about updating Mar 25 01:13:56 :) Mar 25 01:14:02 well, if you're comfortable with your OS2006 install then definitely stay away from packages for other OS versions, as that's a good way to end up in a reboot loop right quick Mar 25 01:14:29 I'm going to see about buying someone's used N800 Mar 25 01:14:45 Gave him a nice lowball offer, hopefully he realized the resell market is rough and he should go with my offer... Mar 25 01:17:18 I'm kind of surprised to see how much people want for the N800 on ebay O_o Mar 25 01:19:09 He said $235 OBO; I offered $150 Mar 25 01:19:10 haha Mar 25 01:19:31 I paid $230 for mine brand new Mar 25 01:19:32 yeah, for $235 you could buy one brand new Mar 25 01:19:35 They didn't get the memo about the msrp drops. :P Mar 25 01:19:46 johnx, I'm not sure about getting a paste of the output Mar 25 01:19:48 (memo looks like it's spelled wrong O_o) Mar 25 01:19:54 This is in Canada, but regardless I agree Mar 25 01:20:03 hey, WormFood could you post the output from udhcpc to pastebin for me? Mar 25 01:20:11 yes, I think I can do that....just redirect it to a file, then copy the file off the N800 Mar 25 01:20:20 WormFood, ah, sorry, didn't see you reply O_o Mar 25 01:20:41 but not right this instant, I need to get ready to go Mar 25 01:20:50 it is already 9:20 am here Mar 25 01:20:59 Has anyone messed with iodine, the DNS tunneling software? Mar 25 01:21:00 let me see what I can do real quick Mar 25 01:21:05 what command line do you want? Mar 25 01:21:17 whatever you ran for udhcpc that failed Mar 25 01:21:31 probably udhcpc -i wlan0 as root would be close enough Mar 25 01:21:34 yllus, I wonder if it would work with chinese dns, since they actually proxy their dns, to stop their citizens from going to certain sites Mar 25 01:21:50 That would be amusing Mar 25 01:22:17 johnx, you want me to setup a static ip, then run udhcpc? Mar 25 01:22:32 it is weird how the wireless works on the n800 Mar 25 01:22:40 yeah, if possible Mar 25 01:23:01 if you don't have time right now, don't worry about it Mar 25 01:23:05 ok, give me a few minutes....I may not be able to complete it this morning, but I will try Mar 25 01:37:06 latest mplayer build is rocking Mar 25 01:37:29 which one? Mar 25 01:37:31 which version? Mar 25 01:37:32 even a2dp audio is sync well Mar 25 01:37:38 !? Mar 25 01:38:11 * johnx might have to reinstall his own a2dp hack and try it out Mar 25 01:39:14 1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0 Mar 25 01:39:44 audio doesnt start for a few seconds but after about 30 sec, all is synced Mar 25 01:40:01 seems like there is some adjustment period Mar 25 01:41:14 videos are xvid 352xwhatever and 128K mp3 audio Mar 25 01:43:20 headphones are motorola s9 Mar 25 01:44:31 johnx, I have 2 files for you at http://wormfood.net/pastebin/ Mar 25 01:44:34 mmm porkroast for dinner, dang I feel spoiled Mar 25 01:44:42 WormFood, thanks! Mar 25 01:44:46 one is a copy/paste of the screen output, and one is a redirect Mar 25 01:45:15 I did the copy/paste because it sends one message to error output, instead of standard output, and that wasn't captured in the redirect Mar 25 01:45:41 and I didn't feel like looking up how to redirect stdout and errout at the same time (and I don't remember off the top of my head) Mar 25 01:46:22 foo 1> stdout.txt 2> stderr.txt for future reference :) Mar 25 01:46:27 that is one aspect of OS-9 that was very easy...">" is standard output, and ">>" is error output....but unfortunately this isn't OS-9 Mar 25 01:46:43 yeah...well, I didn't feel like doing it :P Mar 25 01:47:25 no problem. :) I'm glad to have the exact output though. This should make searching for a patch easier. *Someone* has to have run into this and fixed it:) Mar 25 01:47:46 plenty of people have run into it, but it appears that nobody patched it Mar 25 01:47:53 shit! I forgot to upload my packet dump too Mar 25 01:48:49 ok, packet dump at the same address...you can load it into wireshark/ethereal or whatever you want Mar 25 01:49:09 it has more packets because I was picking up 2 WAPs, however, the only real traffic is on the n800 Mar 25 01:51:28 and another thing, I had to ctrl-C the dhcp client because it seemed to go on forever Mar 25 01:51:36 if you want, I can let it run longer Mar 25 01:53:20 nah, that's all I need (can use) for now Mar 25 01:55:21 good luck with it Mar 25 01:55:27 I wished I had more time to play around with it Mar 25 01:55:40 if you get it to work, there will be a lot of thankful people Mar 25 01:59:15 All I need is a little time, To get behind this sun and cast my weight, All I need is a peace of this mind, Then I can celebrate... Mar 25 02:06:52 ok, I'm going offline now, so I can leave this town, and go "home"....I'll check back later and see what is new....you all have a good day/night Mar 25 02:07:44 goodnight all Mar 25 02:10:47 any linux app that can read chm files? Mar 25 02:11:26 kchmviewer gnochm xchm Mar 25 02:12:13 fbreader, skibur. Mar 25 02:12:15 argh! i HATE it when some gtk app grabs focus and hangs X Mar 25 02:12:21 ok Mar 25 02:12:22 thanks Mar 25 02:12:27 :> Mar 25 02:12:30 kill it Mar 25 02:12:40 i did. but it's a pain Mar 25 02:12:44 i used n800 to kill hanging xpdf Mar 25 02:12:44 :> Mar 25 02:12:52 i love my n800! Mar 25 02:13:16 yes, this is what mobile devices are for Mar 25 02:13:50 earlier i had to start my pc box for that Mar 25 02:13:53 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 25 02:19:54 any ideas why a windows share wouldn't work from an xp machine to a n810 Mar 25 02:20:01 firewall isn't the issue Mar 25 02:20:10 windows share from my mac works ok Mar 25 02:20:28 bad user/pass ? Mar 25 02:20:29 :) Mar 25 02:20:50 it's guest access Mar 25 02:20:57 my gf's xp machine shows up too Mar 25 02:20:59 just mine doesn't Mar 25 02:21:06 how do you try to connect ? Mar 25 02:21:10 file manager Mar 25 02:21:50 what workgroup does it look for Mar 25 02:22:05 good question Mar 25 02:25:19 hmm Mar 25 02:25:31 my file manager doesn't have samba options Mar 25 02:25:32 weird Mar 25 02:25:56 yeah it's a black box samba implementation as far as I can tell Mar 25 02:26:02 some shares work some just will never come up :( Mar 25 02:29:06 thankfully I use linux most of the time.. but almost all of my media content is in windows Mar 25 02:29:19 and with my new 8gb minisd card it writes a ton faster Mar 25 02:30:13 :) Mar 25 02:49:48 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 25 02:59:56 2008