**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 26 02:59:56 2008 Mar 26 03:10:48 :) Mar 26 03:11:03 colon close parenthesis Mar 26 03:32:45 Kekerot, yup, look at itt. basiliskII I think is what it's called. 68k macs only Mar 26 04:24:23 why I can not insmod in my n810? Mar 26 04:24:27 Nokia-N810-42-19:/# /sbin/insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko Mar 26 04:24:27 insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory Mar 26 04:24:33 No such file or directory Mar 26 04:24:46 probably you need another module Mar 26 04:24:56 Because it doesn't exist there? Mar 26 04:24:57 don't remember the name Mar 26 04:25:02 also, you have to handle module dependencies manually because modprobe doesn't work out of the box Mar 26 04:25:30 ext2 depends on symbols in mbd.ko IIRC Mar 26 04:25:35 or do: mkdir /lib/modules; cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 /lib/modules/ Mar 26 04:25:44 THEN you could simply do modprobe ext2 Mar 26 04:26:02 symlink would work too Mar 26 04:26:02 :) Mar 26 04:26:18 oh, thanks Mar 26 04:39:27 morning guys Mar 26 04:50:44 http://home.tampabay.rr.com/osemu/n800/b2/ Mar 26 04:50:49 what does it mean by tar on here? Mar 26 04:50:55 it it just a program to unzip tar files Mar 26 04:54:51 ? Mar 26 04:54:56 where does it say tar Mar 26 04:55:12 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=160303#post160303 Mar 26 04:55:13 :D Mar 26 04:55:26 yes! Mar 26 04:55:34 i have bt keyboard Mar 26 04:57:06 it says you should have * osso-xterm Mar 26 04:57:06 * tar Mar 26 04:57:06 * becomeroot Mar 26 04:57:22 you have tar from busybox Mar 26 04:57:52 emacs irc. so happy Mar 26 04:58:18 :) Mar 26 04:58:33 n800 ftw! Mar 26 04:59:24 :/ Mar 26 04:59:47 woo hoo, 300 bytes per second Mar 26 04:59:56 Blazing fast download speed Mar 26 05:00:08 when i save a tar.gz file on my n810 it says there is no application to open file Mar 26 05:00:27 tar xvzf .tar.gz within osso-xterm Mar 26 05:00:38 Kekerot, you need xarchiver or just untar it in the terminal with the command Navi just gave you Mar 26 05:01:10 hi johnx how are ya? :D Mar 26 05:01:40 i tried to install osso-xterm but ther was only an os 2007 version on maemo.org Mar 26 05:02:02 is included in os2008 Mar 26 05:02:20 in utilities Mar 26 05:02:23 oh ok i thought it was a different terminal Mar 26 05:05:14 now i need to get angband working Mar 26 05:06:37 but later Mar 26 05:06:52 i go lay down Mar 26 05:10:40 odd Mar 26 05:14:56 how hard would it to make a home applet that mimics something like a paintprogram Mar 26 05:15:18 so i can scribble notes and clicking a button saves it, clicking another one locks the program so u can't accidentally write on it Mar 26 05:15:29 :) Mar 26 05:15:31 hey someone has hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.20-1)> Mar 26 05:15:33 nice idea Mar 26 05:17:17 clin: making it transparent would rock Mar 26 05:17:18 :) Mar 26 05:17:22 or layered Mar 26 05:17:29 like a notebook Mar 26 05:17:51 and integrating with calendar app Mar 26 05:17:52 ahh i cant extract it with xarchiver Mar 26 05:17:54 tar: unrecognized option `--keep-old-files' Mar 26 05:17:54 BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary Mar 26 05:17:54 Usage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] ... Mar 26 05:19:11 tar xvzf .tar.gz Mar 26 05:21:25 i tried but it said no such file Mar 26 05:21:42 do i need to get it to the directory Mar 26 05:21:51 tar xvzf /path/to/.tar.gz Mar 26 05:21:51 guess Mar 26 05:22:21 if you tell someone to unpack your stuff Mar 26 05:22:24 and it'll extract it to your current directory Mar 26 05:22:32 do you have to tell them where's your stuff is Mar 26 05:23:54 hello? Mar 26 05:24:07 KotCzarny, you should make it Mar 26 05:24:15 clin: probably Mar 26 05:24:20 seriously. i sometimes need somethingf i can just quickly scribble a note Mar 26 05:24:22 like a todo Mar 26 05:24:23 though i have to do something else Mar 26 05:24:26 then press button to lock it Mar 26 05:24:34 press button seq to unlock it Mar 26 05:24:40 another button to save Mar 26 05:24:50 one to clear and one to switch from erase/pencil Mar 26 05:25:02 hack some sketch program? Mar 26 05:25:05 yea Mar 26 05:25:08 like mypaint Mar 26 05:25:11 thats actually really nice Mar 26 05:25:18 just needs the button lock and transparency Mar 26 05:25:30 and desktopness Mar 26 05:25:37 yes Mar 26 05:25:44 make it KotCzarny you will be praised Mar 26 05:25:49 i know a lot of ppl want that Mar 26 05:25:56 :) Mar 26 05:26:27 Navi how does maemo have files setup, like the file is in documents so is it /documents/file.tar.gz ? Mar 26 05:26:44 do itttt Mar 26 05:26:53 MyDocs within your home directory Mar 26 05:27:32 as user, it'll be /home/user/MyDocs Mar 26 05:29:29 can someone make it though? Mar 26 05:45:18 how do i install a package to the sd card rather than to the internal flash memory? Mar 26 05:47:14 googlewifi? Mar 26 05:48:07 ryoohki_, easy way is just to boot from the sd card Mar 26 05:48:20 KotCzarny: yup, i live in mountain view Mar 26 05:48:26 nice.. Mar 26 05:48:27 KotCzarny: yup, i live in mountain view, california Mar 26 05:48:32 how fast it is? Mar 26 05:50:11 tank-man: how about the hard way where i specifiy where i want the files to go, mmc1 or mmc2? Mar 26 05:50:29 it's rate limited to 1mbs but it's bit lower Mar 26 05:50:36 hard way is read the man page on apt-whatever Mar 26 05:50:43 ryoohki_: it won't work because you will have to setup paths etc. Mar 26 05:51:24 tank-man: i'm familar with apt-get but it's a serious oversite not let people choose where to put the apps Mar 26 05:51:31 the easiest way would be to clone os to mmc and boot off it Mar 26 05:51:31 :) Mar 26 05:51:46 oi! Mar 26 05:52:04 i browsed the man page for it and remember seeing you can set where to install stuff Mar 26 05:52:50 tank-man: it says not enough room and to set a different location to install to without saying how to do that Mar 26 05:53:28 you are more familiar with apt=get than me Mar 26 05:53:32 wget => 55,473,005 60.79K/s Mar 26 05:54:06 75,067,793 49.37K/s, and also, 24,645 26.57K/s Mar 26 06:14:13 http://mosh.nokia.com/blocked Mar 26 06:14:14 lol Mar 26 06:14:20 ! >:( Mar 26 06:39:26 well... at least it works with firefox.. :) Mar 26 06:41:10 http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/another-video-converter-option-rockpod.html Mar 26 06:45:33 here is it http://techlogg.com/rockpod/ :D Mar 26 06:46:20 btw. can you recommend an IRCNet server with free access? open.ircnet.net seems to be vanishedf from dns Mar 26 06:46:33 ircnet.choopa.com Mar 26 06:46:35 or .net Mar 26 06:46:47 i always forget Mar 26 06:47:03 Italodance: what's mosh? Mar 26 06:47:39 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 Mar 26 06:47:42 Interesting Mar 26 06:47:48 Hadn't noticed Quim's comments there before. Mar 26 06:47:57 christefano it depends to maemo maps Mar 26 06:48:06 KotCzarny: thanks. I'll try that one Mar 26 06:49:00 Italodance: maemo mapper or the default maps app? Mar 26 06:50:25 christefano maemo mapper Mar 26 06:50:48 christefano https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2443 Mar 26 06:52:40 i found it http://techlogg.com/rockpod/techlogg.com-rockpod08lite-build25-i386-win32.exe :D Mar 26 06:54:23 thasks, Italodance. Mar 26 06:55:02 :D Mar 26 07:03:27 KotCzarny: irc.choopa.net:6667 worked out fine. thanks for info. Mar 26 07:03:33 np Mar 26 07:03:46 but it's probably another network Mar 26 07:03:51 you wanted ircnet Mar 26 07:03:52 :) Mar 26 07:04:28 yup, efnet Mar 26 07:04:29 ;) Mar 26 07:07:26 I got my ircnet :) Mar 26 07:07:33 :) Mar 26 07:07:48 I compiled directfb for my n810, when I run the dfb example programs ,. the screen goes dark, why? Mar 26 07:08:39 OK, what is the trick for actually getting the application manager to either a) stop saying that a given set of packages needs updating or b) actually update the god-damned packages?! Mar 26 07:09:20 a/ don't use app-manager Mar 26 07:09:24 b/ use apt-get install Mar 26 07:09:25 The packages in question -- makedev 2.3.1-73oss-4 and libglade2-0 1:2.6.2-1indt1 -- are both in the Maemo Chinook repository and yet I can't update them because they're missing. Mar 26 07:09:25 :) Mar 26 07:09:27 Anyone knows? Mar 26 07:09:48 OK, so how do I use apt-get install when I can't get to root because I can't install software with app-manager? Mar 26 07:10:03 sudo Mar 26 07:10:15 I get applet errors whenever I try sudo. Mar 26 07:10:22 what errors? Mar 26 07:10:28 (pastebin.com) Mar 26 07:11:28 It just says "applet error". Mar 26 07:11:41 Typical UNIX fashion it provides no information. It is assumed the user knows what error they made. Mar 26 07:11:41 nothing else? Mar 26 07:11:45 Nothing else. Mar 26 07:11:53 strace ? Mar 26 07:12:07 strace being? Mar 26 07:12:25 sudo strace apt-get install something Mar 26 07:12:29 or strace sudo Mar 26 07:12:32 i don't remember Mar 26 07:13:38 What's the Application manager log say? :\ Mar 26 07:13:49 I'm trying to figure out when, precisely, I asked for a headache today. Mar 26 07:13:56 Now the root password isn't working. Mar 26 07:13:59 :> Mar 26 07:14:02 it's blank Mar 26 07:14:04 probably Mar 26 07:14:10 I'm really tempted to test the flight characteristics of my N800 today. Mar 26 07:14:31 Did the internal card get corrupted? Mar 26 07:14:38 What error does Application manager give. Mar 26 07:14:44 Nobody can help you if you don't give information. Mar 26 07:14:47 ttmrichter flight characteristics? what is it? Mar 26 07:14:53 lol Mar 26 07:15:19 Application manager says that it can't update the packages I named because they don't exist. Mar 26 07:15:24 That's it. Mar 26 07:15:27 hmm Mar 26 07:15:41 try removing repos? Mar 26 07:15:43 If I give a blank password on sudo I get no behaviour at all. Just back to user prompt. Mar 26 07:15:47 and leaving only system ones Mar 26 07:15:52 I have removed all repos and installed only the Nokia ones. Mar 26 07:15:53 Same issue. Mar 26 07:15:54 user doesn't have a password Mar 26 07:15:59 and isn't in sudoers by default Mar 26 07:16:01 so you can't usod. Mar 26 07:16:16 OK, so back to the original question: how do I get access to apt-get if I can't get to root? Mar 26 07:16:29 Flash it to R&D mode. Mar 26 07:16:31 or install becomeroot Mar 26 07:16:33 or easyroot Mar 26 07:16:42 With a broken app manager? Mar 26 07:16:46 :) Mar 26 07:16:56 You said it was broken updating Mar 26 07:17:02 Can you install new stuff? Mar 26 07:17:22 I'll try, but the way this thing is going today I'm not going to be holding my breath, to put it mildly. Mar 26 07:17:37 Meh, nothing is unsolvable. Mar 26 07:17:42 'sorry i can help, but i will forward you to another person that will ask the same set of questions' Mar 26 07:17:42 ;) Mar 26 07:17:48 *can't Mar 26 07:17:50 ;) Mar 26 07:17:54 Lots and lots of people use Application manager without trouble Mar 26 07:18:01 Oh, GOOD GOD! Now every category is prefixed with "". So it's ""utils and ""user and ""this and ""that. Mar 26 07:18:03 so obivously it's not an unfiable problem. Mar 26 07:18:10 matrix mode Mar 26 07:18:12 not a problem Mar 26 07:18:18 What were you screwing around with? :\ Mar 26 07:18:28 I reflashed. Mar 26 07:18:41 also called redpill mode Mar 26 07:18:44 What did you do to break Application manager? Mar 26 07:19:14 And app manager gives a tiny column for the application name and a huge column for the version. So I can read the version with plenty of whitespace and I can't read the application name at all. Mar 26 07:19:15 The only possible stumbling point with Application manager on a fresh install is a corrupt internal flash card. Mar 26 07:19:27 Fixed in SVN Mar 26 07:19:32 ttmrichter: known problem with an app-manager Mar 26 07:19:35 Should be updated with Diablo. Mar 26 07:19:54 So, back to the original question: how do I install apps with a broken app manager? Mar 26 07:20:07 <_< Mar 26 07:20:09 Just reflash again. Mar 26 07:20:41 ttmrichter: you don't have ssh installed? Mar 26 07:20:47 When I go full-screen I can get enough to see much of the title. No gainroot package listed. Mar 26 07:20:52 What was the other one called? Mar 26 07:20:58 easyroot Mar 26 07:21:01 But neither of them are in Extras Mar 26 07:21:15 I think it's time for flight tests. Mar 26 07:21:16 So if you don't have those repositories in the catalog, then you wont see them. Mar 26 07:21:20 Just download the .deb Mar 26 07:21:36 http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/easyroot_1.0-4_armel.deb Mar 26 07:21:47 Save the attitude for people who aren't trying to help you. :) Mar 26 07:21:55 yeah Mar 26 07:21:55 easyroot is shit and disn't work Mar 26 07:22:05 Italodance, that's straight up incorrect. Mar 26 07:22:06 and ga will install it for you Mar 26 07:22:10 It works fine. Mar 26 07:22:13 with his magic pass Mar 26 07:22:17 Better than becomeroot, even. Mar 26 07:22:23 YOU just don't know how to use it. Mar 26 07:22:34 Sorry about the attitude. Was just expecting to do other things on my day off, not wrestle with this crap. Mar 26 07:22:48 I'm just going to reflash. Mar 26 07:22:53 Good plan. Mar 26 07:22:53 GeneralAntilles can use it connect to internet with usb? Mar 26 07:22:54 See if any of this clears up. Mar 26 07:23:06 Specifically I'm going to tell it *NOT* to restore from backup when it reboots. Mar 26 07:23:09 Italodance, that's not what easyroot does. Mar 26 07:23:17 Also a good plan. Mar 26 07:23:24 ttmrichter: your situation is similiar to locking yourself out of house with keys inside Mar 26 07:23:25 :) Mar 26 07:23:38 easyroot lets you get a rootshell without having to enable R&D mode. Mar 26 07:23:51 just don't forget to install ssh as the first thing Mar 26 07:23:59 that will save you from being helpless Mar 26 07:24:00 :) Mar 26 07:24:36 GeneralAntilles tell me exactly what can it do? Mar 26 07:24:44 I just did. Mar 26 07:25:23 I was planning to install ssh first-thing. Mar 26 07:25:32 Things... interfered. Mar 26 07:25:48 murphy's law Mar 26 07:26:21 hmm, can you remove packages with app-manager? Mar 26 07:27:18 I'll find out after the reflash. Mar 26 07:27:31 after reflash it doesn't matter Mar 26 07:27:33 :) Mar 26 07:27:40 as it will be working i guess Mar 26 07:27:47 It didn't the first time.... Mar 26 07:28:02 Of course I foolishly thought restoring from backup was OK. Mar 26 07:28:10 The only thing that can go wrong with Application manager on a completely fresh install is the internal flash card being corrupt. Mar 26 07:28:12 I'm beginning to think this was a mistake. ;) Mar 26 07:28:26 Restoring from backup restores all of the settings you broke last time around. Mar 26 07:28:42 The setting I broke last time around was a screwup in /etc/rc2.d Mar 26 07:28:48 That wasn't backed up. Mar 26 07:28:49 hmm Mar 26 07:29:02 how could you screw up /etc without root access? Mar 26 07:29:10 I *HAD* root access in the past. Mar 26 07:29:14 It was. Mar 26 07:29:18 Just after reflashing it was gone. Mar 26 07:29:22 Through what method? Mar 26 07:29:45 Reflashing? ./flasher-3.0 -F -R -f Mar 26 07:29:55 No, root access. Mar 26 07:30:29 ttmrichter: backup only restores some user settings, not system scripts Mar 26 07:30:35 just for info Mar 26 07:30:36 :) Mar 26 07:30:56 I think I used gainroot way back when. Mar 26 07:31:07 That would be why you didn't have root access after the reflash. Mar 26 07:31:10 Then used SSH to log in and changed passwords around. Mar 26 07:31:16 Installed applications aren't backed up. Mar 26 07:31:39 And KotCzarny, I was COUNTING on it not restoring system scripts. Otherwise I'd never be able to boot. ;) Mar 26 07:31:44 :) Mar 26 07:31:53 Having a script in rc2.d hang turns out to be really bad for the boot process. Mar 26 07:32:11 boot loop? Mar 26 07:32:11 :) Mar 26 07:32:49 Well, it was a network script that was running before, of course, there was a network to connect to. And the script, upon failure, tried again. And again. And again. Mar 26 07:32:58 yeah.. Mar 26 07:33:01 i know the pain Mar 26 07:33:15 before i added nosshfs to mount -a in slackware Mar 26 07:33:16 ;) Mar 26 07:33:52 anyway, reflash i relatively painless Mar 26 07:33:54 :) Mar 26 07:34:27 at least that part you can't break Mar 26 07:34:28 :) Mar 26 07:35:34 Trust me. I'm the kind of guy that'll find a way to break the unbreakable. Mar 26 07:35:40 no no Mar 26 07:35:48 i don't say it's unbreakable Mar 26 07:36:00 there's always a hammer Mar 26 07:36:02 :) Mar 26 07:36:17 only that reflashing is 99.9% safe Mar 26 07:36:41 I'm the .01. Mar 26 07:36:47 .1, even. Mar 26 07:37:02 only if you actively pursue it Mar 26 07:37:03 :) Mar 26 07:37:17 Like flight lessons? :) Mar 26 07:37:33 yeah, send it flying to my appartment Mar 26 07:37:35 :) Mar 26 07:37:48 i would gladly take care of poor thingie Mar 26 07:37:49 (: Mar 26 07:38:11 i'll feed with with juicy volts and yummy amps Mar 26 07:38:20 I'm not sure I can throw over the Pacific (or over continental Asia depending on where you live). Mar 26 07:38:45 let other people help you Mar 26 07:38:46 ;) Mar 26 07:38:56 Well, let's see what a clean install with no backups does for app manager. Mar 26 07:39:12 maemo-mapper can recieve gps with bluetooth? Mar 26 07:40:20 That's kinda the whole point, Italodance. Mar 26 07:41:51 GeneralAntilles ok....it saw the link openstreetmap.com for my first use on maemo mapper Mar 26 08:10:04 hello Mar 26 08:10:18 where can I get osso-pdf-reader back from? Mar 26 08:14:21 Mount the rootfs and extract it from there. Mar 26 08:14:58 hmm Mar 26 08:15:13 note "back" Mar 26 08:15:34 so, I have to mount the real image on my pc Mar 26 08:15:41 or what? Mar 26 08:20:20 Download the FIASCO image Mar 26 08:20:21 unpack it Mar 26 08:20:25 mount the rootfs. Mar 26 08:22:03 hmm Mar 26 08:22:10 isn't it osso-pdf-viewer ? Mar 26 08:23:55 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/osso-pdf-viewer_1.4.41-0.tar.gz Mar 26 08:24:51 but you will have to compile it yourself :) Mar 26 08:27:31 problem...my FBReader can read my e-books on my mmc2 and totally it can't find my mmc2 why? Mar 26 08:29:35 ok, bedtime, night ppl Mar 26 08:30:50 Morning, all Mar 26 08:31:57 hi Jaffa Mar 26 08:36:12 KotCzarny: once my dev image works Mar 26 08:36:24 vmware hates me for some reason Mar 26 08:37:05 and scratchbox directly doesn't worj either Mar 26 08:37:35 can someone reply me? Mar 26 08:38:11 idk anything about fbreader Mar 26 08:38:55 yes Mar 26 08:39:01 my FBReader can't read my e-books on my mmc2 and totally it can't find my mmc2 why? Mar 26 08:48:14 ok, so once I have the rootfs, what should I run? Mar 26 08:49:18 You have to mount the jffs2 image. Mar 26 08:49:26 Setup a loopback blah blah blah Mar 26 08:49:30 There's a guide on google. Mar 26 08:49:37 that I know Mar 26 08:49:42 what then? Mar 26 08:49:50 Once you've mounted it, then pull the pdf reader from wherever it is on there and move it to the tablet. Mar 26 08:50:24 nah Mar 26 08:50:39 that'll break the package system Mar 26 08:50:46 I have to grab the deb Mar 26 08:50:55 There is no deb. Mar 26 08:51:07 You could repackage it I suppose. Mar 26 08:51:44 why nokia didn't provide a deb for their own package? Mar 26 08:52:00 they thought no one would uninstall it? Mar 26 08:52:31 It's a bundled application Mar 26 08:52:37 They don't provide debs for bundled applications. Mar 26 08:52:39 yeah yeah Mar 26 08:52:44 why? Mar 26 08:52:57 It's not uninstallable with Application manager. Mar 26 08:53:02 You've hit an edge-case, congratulations. :\ Mar 26 08:53:08 it is, redpill Mar 26 08:53:09 :P Mar 26 08:53:32 Redpill doesn't count. Mar 26 08:53:35 now, the problem is evince fails on huge documents Mar 26 08:53:56 gets outofmemory and reboots the device Mar 26 08:55:17 someone forgot that large documents can't be cached wholly in ram Mar 26 08:56:48 hmm, fbreader and screen rotate. that could make nice pair :) Mar 26 08:57:05 Or assumed they wouldn't be working with a 128MB device. :P Mar 26 08:57:17 wom-, FBReader already rotates without hacks. Mar 26 08:57:28 GeneralAntilles: oh it does.. even better Mar 26 08:57:58 You can even setup the hotkeys based on orientation. Mar 26 09:00:47 can anyone help me install basilisk? :X Mar 26 09:01:11 There's a complete guide on ITT. Mar 26 09:03:25 i extracted it all and everything but I dont know where actual files are Mar 26 09:09:20 hmm, I still need a working dhclient Mar 26 09:09:37 KotCzarny: your dhcp package only has the server Mar 26 09:09:42 i think basilisk is installed now but where the heck does maemo put the files Mar 26 09:10:00 and pump fail miserably Mar 26 09:10:01 It's a tarball, isn't it? Mar 26 09:10:09 If so, then maemo isn't involved. Mar 26 09:12:56 oh i see Mar 26 09:20:12 look like it broke at this part mv BasiliskII /user/home Mar 26 09:26:16 lmao @ the old guy at 8:39 in part 3 of the CIA in tibet Mar 26 09:26:26 oop wrong chan Mar 26 09:26:46 got us curious, though Mar 26 09:27:35 indeed Mar 26 09:40:03 hmm Mar 26 09:40:20 pump doesn't work for some reason Mar 26 09:40:41 even though the interface is statically configured Mar 26 09:40:48 something is missing Mar 26 09:40:57 brb Mar 26 09:41:06 anyone know why mv BasiliskII /user/home wont work? the BasiliskII binary is in the directory but it says "No such file or directory" Mar 26 09:42:55 Kekerot: Because that dir doesn't exist? :) Mar 26 09:43:04 Kekerot: /home/user perhaps? Mar 26 09:43:13 but that directory does exist Mar 26 09:43:22 i can see it and i did ls -l and saw the stuff in it Mar 26 10:01:40 hmm Mar 26 10:01:56 nokia is doing something funny on connect Mar 26 10:02:18 something with dbus I can't get Mar 26 10:03:08 anyone knows about tap-and-hold animation for gtk widgets ? Mar 26 10:03:48 I see dbus messages flying, like a com.nokia.icd proxies member being set Mar 26 10:04:39 ufortunately, I can only see dbus broadcasts Mar 26 10:05:03 I need some debug version of it to get what happens on wlan connection Mar 26 10:13:20 I'll have to peruse a mailing list Mar 26 11:32:12 hey, Mar 26 11:32:44 has anyone got a working usb OTG plugin package? Mar 26 11:33:04 i did try the one from the garage .. Mar 26 11:33:08 that crashed Mar 26 11:33:26 and didn't actually have the module itself :( Mar 26 11:33:27 OTG or host-mode? Mar 26 11:33:31 OTG is done in hardware. Mar 26 11:33:39 hm .. Mar 26 11:34:00 i read about g_ether before .. Mar 26 11:34:03 right .. Mar 26 11:34:22 so have to somehow debug that Mar 26 11:34:28 right .. Mar 26 11:34:56 GeneralAntilles: what actually this OTG stands for ..? Mar 26 11:37:01 on-the-go Mar 26 11:43:48 right .. Mar 26 11:44:22 so meant to work very easy .. Mar 26 11:44:48 is it quick to get the other side to work Mar 26 11:44:50 ? Mar 26 11:45:29 i'm doing this rmotely, and the trfic if quite bad :( Mar 26 11:55:11 what happens to maemo.org?... I get a lot of errors... Mar 26 11:56:04 it seems to be broken once again Mar 26 11:56:14 b0unc3: Looking into it already.. Mar 26 11:57:21 ok... Mar 26 12:01:20 X-Fade: what framework does maemo.org use? and what is midcom? :) Mar 26 12:01:42 aquatix: Midgard. Mar 26 12:01:50 ah :) Mar 26 12:05:21 b0unc3: Do you still see them? Mar 26 12:08:49 hi Mar 26 12:09:39 where is utorrent of maemo? Mar 26 12:10:20 woodong50 utorrent Mar 26 12:10:21 no Mar 26 12:10:37 we have aria2 and ctorrent Mar 26 12:11:17 is it impossible to install utorrent on n800? Mar 26 12:11:39 woodong50 i don't think...u can use ctorrent? Mar 26 12:11:41 ctorrent? Mar 26 12:11:48 ok Mar 26 12:16:44 woodong50, did you see Transmission? Mar 26 12:17:13 GeneralAntilles i saw ur pic :D Mar 26 12:18:43 where is ctorrent install file Mar 26 12:21:38 woodong50 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-torrent Mar 26 12:24:11 bah... really sucks for profiling, that all the maemo stuff is compiled with -fomit-frame-pointers Mar 26 12:38:07 tbf > haha ! Mar 26 12:39:35 it vomits on pointers? ;) Mar 26 12:39:47 can't really argue with that Mar 26 12:49:30 Greetings. Mar 26 13:24:25 First problem: I haveI been beating my head on the wall all morning wondering y the simplified clone process is so complicated. The nupgrade.sh script says it cant find mbcache.ko. The script looks for it in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1 the /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/ 'uname -r' . I can clearly see mbcache.ko is in mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1. I am using sudo gainroot. Why cant the script see the module? Mar 26 13:25:15 uname -r does output 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 26 13:27:19 you sure it isn't using the old kernel name somewhere else? Mar 26 13:27:29 * johnx has no real idea... Mar 26 13:28:45 That seems likely, johnx. Mar 26 13:28:56 I'm just following the script logic, and the first ting it does is sets the dir for the modules. Mar 26 13:29:08 I ran into that following a tutorial, anyway. Mar 26 13:29:38 I'nn edit the script to only look at the correct path and see. Mar 26 13:29:43 I'll Mar 26 13:29:54 * GeneralAntilles didn't have any trouble when he used the script. Mar 26 13:30:02 But I suppose I'd already loaded the modules when I got to that point. Mar 26 13:30:37 There may be other issues involved, though, as I don't recall anybody else complaining about that issue with the scripts. Mar 26 13:30:43 s/scripts/script/ Mar 26 13:30:43 GeneralAntilles meant: There may be other issues involved, though, as I don't recall anybody else complaining about that issue with the script. Mar 26 13:32:43 that brings up problem 2: The location for modules is readonly so I cant copy more modules into that dir. There are already modules for ext2, ext3, so this isn't a show stopper atm. Mar 26 13:33:21 even better than readonly (which can be changed), it's also almost completely full Mar 26 13:33:38 The problems are worse than you think! yay! Mar 26 13:34:15 Hooray, embedded! Mar 26 13:34:25 so how do u get additionaf file system support? Mar 26 13:34:45 you put the modules somewhere else and deal with loading them somehow Mar 26 13:35:26 I think the standard practice is to create a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ and ln -s the included modules into place, then cp your own custom stuff in there as well Mar 26 13:35:35 or jump that hurdle after i have cloned onto my roomy 8gb sd, right? Mar 26 13:40:40 one way i experimented with my own additional modules is to load them via a intit.d script, although that requires kernel support for your rootfs built in or as modules the initfs Mar 26 13:41:37 or you could make your own initfs, and remove the modules there you do not need and then add your own modules to /lib/modules... Mar 26 13:41:49 and then load the original modules from your rootfs Mar 26 13:42:38 kernel support for your rootfs's filesystem i meant Mar 26 13:49:56 I haveI been beating my head on the wall all morning wondering y the simplified clone process is so complicated. The nupgrade.sh script says it cant find mbcache.ko. The script looks for it in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap, and I can clearly see mbcache.ko is in that dir. I am using sudo gainroot. Why cant the script see the module? Mar 26 13:53:09 WorkingOnWise: whats the nupgrade.sh from? Mar 26 13:53:43 s/whats/where's/ Mar 26 13:53:43 trickie meant: WorkingOnWise: where's the nupgrade.sh from? Mar 26 13:54:21 it's part of the directions to clone the OS to an sd card on the forum at ITT Mar 26 13:54:34 Woo spam. Mar 26 13:54:41 infobot: your an idiot Mar 26 13:54:57 It's a bot. Mar 26 13:55:03 yeah Mar 26 13:55:05 trickie, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Mar 26 13:55:42 thanks GeneralAntilles. thats what I'm working from trickie Mar 26 13:55:51 oki, ill check it out Mar 26 13:56:54 WorkingOnWise: and it dies on './nupgrade.sh 3' ? Mar 26 13:57:25 nope. ./nupgrade.sh 0 Mar 26 13:59:46 hmm strange Mar 26 13:59:53 I'm gonna flash back to the base OS2008 and start from the beginning. If the simplified steps there don't work then, you can have a nice N800 if u can catch it as it zings past City Hall. Mar 26 14:00:36 WorkingOnWise: can add 'echo $BINDIR' to line 42 Mar 26 14:00:51 and see what it thinks is the path Mar 26 14:01:16 ok. I'll try that first. Mar 26 14:01:51 WorkingOnWise: zing it my way ;) Mar 26 14:01:59 lol Mar 26 14:02:14 why fight with a script if manual cloning is straight forward? :) Mar 26 14:02:15 * aquatix forgot his n810 at home :( Mar 26 14:03:22 this script even copied the stupid mountpoints from the wiki :O Mar 26 14:03:41 WorkingOnWise: have you tried the manual way? its even easier Mar 26 14:03:49 they're magic mount points :P Mar 26 14:04:01 because I aint wrappin my head around the whole depmod not working right, and cant figure out how to get ext3 support manually.... Mar 26 14:04:30 WorkingOnWise, insmod jbd.ko ; insmod mbcache.ko ; insmod ext3.ko ; echo success! Mar 26 14:04:58 I have been lullid by the word simplified! The only thing that has been simple in the init thingy...I have a boot menu now... Mar 26 14:05:00 easy way: copy all modules from initfs to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ and run depmod :) Mar 26 14:05:45 johnx: do those insmod commands need to be run every time, or are they "sticky"? Mar 26 14:06:23 eh? fanoush's bootmenu takes care of loading the right things for booting to sd card Mar 26 14:06:25 you just need the modules loaded for the cloning - once you boot from ext3, initfs handles the loading Mar 26 14:06:31 just look at bootmenu.conf Mar 26 14:07:10 you've probably spent way more effort trying to troubleshoot what this script is doing rather than just do it the "long way" in the first place... Mar 26 14:07:29 long aka ~3-5 commands :) Mar 26 14:08:07 Hi everyone, just in case the one or another of you uses my Mojocafe project on his/her device: the website-domain has changed! The website can now be reached through www.mojocafe.net and the blog through www.mojocafe.net/blog ..... Mar 26 14:08:34 cyberholic: going international, eh? :) Mar 26 14:08:38 All the tutorials out there suck. Mar 26 14:08:42 hmm, never ever heard of mojocafe... Mar 26 14:08:54 You guys should take pity on the poor people and write up a guide that doesn't suck. :P Mar 26 14:09:09 Is that just spam, or something clickworth? Mar 26 14:09:13 Lynoure: have put it nearly everywhere so that people can test it out on their devices :) Mar 26 14:09:14 ohhhhhhhhh.....Now I get it!!!!! I have been thinking that the modules need to be loaded, no that the boot menu would do it for me....I thought that if I did the insmod thing, i can see the ext3 partition but then on reboot there'd be no ext3 module loading so I would still have no acces to the ext3 partition I just cloned.... Mar 26 14:09:24 Lynoure, it's legitimate. :) Mar 26 14:09:28 cyberholic: wow, spiffy site :) Mar 26 14:09:30 GeneralAntilles, you found the problem, that makes it yours. :P Mar 26 14:09:36 now to find out what mojocafe is Mar 26 14:09:36 I found nothing! Mar 26 14:09:48 Lynoure: no spam as long you do not want to pimp up your device *gg* Mar 26 14:09:56 aquatix: thanks! Mar 26 14:10:07 aquatix: wait!..... what does spiffy mean? lol. Mar 26 14:10:07 * GeneralAntilles furiously downgrades the severity of a bunch of bugzilla bugs to look busy. Mar 26 14:10:09 s/found/complained about/ Mar 26 14:10:10 johnx meant: GeneralAntilles, you complained about the problem, that makes it yours. :P Mar 26 14:10:14 cyberholic: shiny ;) Mar 26 14:10:26 You two are the ones complaining about stupid mount points. :P Mar 26 14:10:35 aquatix thanks a lot! *feeling a bit ashamed* Mar 26 14:10:48 ah, flash... meh :P Mar 26 14:10:57 but well, shiny in these days does not automaticly mean that it is cool :) Mar 26 14:11:01 indeed Mar 26 14:11:04 browsing now Mar 26 14:11:12 looks interesting though Mar 26 14:11:31 in case you wanna see how it works on your device: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4254502208055432294&hl=en Mar 26 14:11:39 *i assume you have a n800 or n810* :) Mar 26 14:11:42 cyberholic: oh, it's your site? Mar 26 14:11:47 cyberholic, where's my magazine? :P Mar 26 14:11:50 yep Mar 26 14:12:08 i am a webdesigner... well, at least i try to be one :) Mar 26 14:12:10 it might help to create an `about' page with wtf mojocafe is :) Mar 26 14:12:19 seems like some applets Mar 26 14:12:20 General: you mean Atarashi? Mar 26 14:12:38 cyberholic: some feedback: do explain somewhere what these mojos are... now there is very little info other than screenshots Mar 26 14:12:41 Whatever it was called. Mar 26 14:13:42 yeah, you both are correct - i am working on an "about page". And a gallery to post the photos of the blog showing my device glancing up my flat :) Mar 26 14:13:43 Aha, I see it. Mar 26 14:14:12 Lynoure: yeah, some About page would be nice Mar 26 14:14:28 cyberholic: ah, online applets Mar 26 14:15:31 aquatix: correct. At least the newsfeeds and the webcam applets can be called online ones - the clocks arent realy :) Mar 26 14:17:07 I made an applet called "Webcam Traveller". It randomly switches between two dozens of webcams. It makes me mad to look outside the window and see snow, while looking on my device shows the Virgin Islands with 30 degrees celsius :( Mar 26 14:17:32 Ha Mar 26 14:17:35 * GeneralAntilles wants some snow. Mar 26 14:17:41 * GeneralAntilles had the AC running last week. Mar 26 14:17:42 really? Mar 26 14:17:56 WHAT? how many degreees you have where oyu live? Mar 26 14:18:18 Highs are in the mid-80s Mar 26 14:18:19 °F Mar 26 14:18:28 geeeeesus Mar 26 14:18:48 GeneralAntilles: id be more than happy to swap you Mar 26 14:18:55 Hehe Mar 26 14:19:09 trickie: ill come witcha :) Mar 26 14:19:25 i got snow last night, around 30 cm. not too happy about it Mar 26 14:19:37 i HATE snow Mar 26 14:19:47 beats rain Mar 26 14:19:50 spent an hour getting car unstuck Mar 26 14:20:04 sol: have you tried dynamite? Mar 26 14:20:39 not a big fan of lots of snow all winter long, but driving in snow once in a while is fun :D Mar 26 14:21:24 i like snow but not when you get that much at once Mar 26 14:21:40 that's understandable Mar 26 14:22:48 i love snow Mar 26 14:22:56 but it doesn't stay put nowadays here Mar 26 14:22:57 still beats raining all the time Mar 26 14:23:00 it didn't snow that much, but after several months you end up with pretty deep corridors. heavy wind filled them Mar 26 14:23:14 http://aquariusoft.org/photolog/ Mar 26 14:23:22 we had some snow last week though Mar 26 14:23:26 this week even Mar 26 14:24:02 solmumaha: where do you live? Mar 26 14:24:10 in finland Mar 26 14:24:13 ah :) Mar 26 14:24:21 aquatix: the toothbrush photo is AWESOME! Mar 26 14:24:41 cyberholic: ha, thanks :) Mar 26 14:24:59 i should take more pics Mar 26 14:25:08 but i'm swamped :( Mar 26 14:25:51 aquatix: you in NL? Mar 26 14:26:28 * johnx should get a better camera Mar 26 14:26:37 solmumaha, I have the same situation, all the plowed areas are ful of snow -- and I have fever and thus no energy to clean it up Mar 26 14:27:10 trickie: "Stadsschouwburg Velsen" should give you a clue ;) Mar 26 14:27:19 :) Mar 26 14:27:40 living in an apartment means that other people get to deal with snow :P Mar 26 14:28:16 inz: luckily i have a snow blower, but someone stole my gasoline canister Mar 26 14:28:42 trickie: yeah Mar 26 14:29:15 X-Fade: well actually the most recent photos made me ask, as the houses/apartements look dutch and the amount of snow looked familiar Mar 26 14:29:24 :) Mar 26 14:29:41 trickie: houses all look the same nowadays Mar 26 14:29:54 trickie: Yeah, me too. Mar 26 14:30:00 you can see in what year the neighbourhood is build Mar 26 14:30:25 for sure Mar 26 14:30:52 oh well, i'm happy with my maissonette anyway ;) Mar 26 14:32:13 he he Mar 26 14:32:13 ok guys, i have to go back to work. in case you have a wish for a special Mojo in mojocafe contact me! See ya later my friends ... oh... THE SUN! the sun is coming out! i have to go now! Mar 26 14:32:32 noooes! the sun is coming! Mar 26 14:32:36 * aquatix hides Mar 26 14:32:45 looool Mar 26 14:33:04 byebye Mar 26 14:39:12 darn, wish i was good at soldering. two of the switches in my nokia phone have... err... fallen off Mar 26 14:40:43 MangoFusion: right ;) Mar 26 14:40:48 electronics murderer! Mar 26 14:41:55 wonder if i can get it fixed through warranty Mar 26 14:42:27 though then again i dropped the phone and it went bouncy bounce, so maybe not Mar 26 14:44:06 don't tell them you dropped it Mar 26 14:44:09 and try Mar 26 14:49:24 right .. Mar 26 14:49:47 i'm still trying to get the otg-usb plugin to work .. Mar 26 14:50:21 i don't get ifconfig showing anything like usb0 Mar 26 14:50:31 is it just like that ? Mar 26 14:51:13 and it actully freezes :( Mar 26 14:54:11 could do that i guess Mar 26 14:57:05 are the maemo repos slow as molasas in March, or it the N800 download mechanism slow as molasas in March? Mar 26 14:57:31 wrong forum for that type of ?? sorry Mar 26 15:05:04 wait..no it isn't. What was I thinking. Are the repos and download section of the maemo site down? cant get to either one on my tablet Mar 26 15:05:41 maemo.org had some problems Mar 26 15:05:52 not sure whether the repositories are affected Mar 26 15:07:10 now it's working...grrrr. Mar 26 15:07:16 voodoo Mar 26 15:07:44 aren't the repos served out of akamai's cache? Mar 26 15:08:01 s/repos/maemo.org repos/ Mar 26 15:08:01 johnx meant: aren't the maemo.org repos served out of akamai's cache? Mar 26 15:08:17 threat of throwing everything with a cpu into the wood stove did it! Mar 26 15:12:35 WorkingOnWise: threatening with a hammer works too Mar 26 16:01:40 hi Mar 26 16:02:41 why when I type in scratbox pkg-config --libs dbus-1 I get "No package 'dbus-1' found? Mar 26 16:04:02 I don't know Mar 26 16:04:05 it "works for me" Mar 26 16:04:16 hmm Mar 26 16:06:46 ok, now it works :) Mar 26 16:08:48 but I get error: /usr/include/dbus-1.0/sbus/dbus.h:30:2 #error "Please define DBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE (...) hmm what's going on? For pc I compiled it without problem Mar 26 16:09:31 new dbusses doesn't require that anymore Mar 26 16:09:40 I don't know what is "new" in this case.. Mar 26 16:10:20 can I do anything? Mar 26 16:11:15 "#define DBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE" before the include Mar 26 16:11:44 it was meant to say to the developers that the API wasn't stable yet Mar 26 16:14:00 thanks a lot Mar 26 16:45:59 hey guys Mar 26 16:46:10 is there a good podcast downloader for the n800, like gpodder Mar 26 16:46:21 gpodder exists for N800 :p Mar 26 16:46:24 oooooooh Mar 26 16:46:27 from where? Mar 26 16:46:30 Or use Canola Mar 26 16:46:47 http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=gpodder+maemo Mar 26 16:46:54 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gpodder/ Mar 26 16:47:21 canola can not do automatic fetching? Mar 26 16:48:01 or is there some setting where I can define, check the feeds every 1 hour? Mar 26 16:48:13 qwerty12, where do I get gpodder from? Mar 26 16:48:26 I & General just posted links. Mar 26 16:48:31 oh Mar 26 16:48:31 sorry Mar 26 16:48:35 not paying attention Mar 26 16:49:09 Not at the moment, cbx33, but it's on the roadmap. Mar 26 16:49:33 eh? Mar 26 16:49:48 GeneralAntilles, what did you mean Mar 26 16:49:54 I think he meant oilinki Mar 26 16:50:09 ahhh Mar 26 16:50:09 Canola will do automatic fetching at some point. Mar 26 16:50:15 Actually, it may do it now in the latest beta Mar 26 16:50:15 * cbx33 is again not paying attention Mar 26 16:50:18 I haven't checked Mar 26 16:50:23 But podcasts did get a big overhaul. Mar 26 16:51:18 GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. I'll keep on using it. Mar 26 16:51:39 * GeneralAntilles doesn't use podcasts except on roadtrips. Mar 26 16:52:03 s/messed up grammar/correct grammar/ Mar 26 16:55:46 http://oil.iki.fi/n800/screenshots/n800-with-vodafone-3g-logo.png Mar 26 16:55:50 oh.. ups. Mar 26 16:56:13 Lol, what is the point of that :P? Mar 26 16:56:32 Haha, qwerty12, I just realized there were two different people there. Mar 26 16:56:39 Colloquy sucks at picking nick colors. :\ Mar 26 16:57:23 I was wondering what an "oilinki" was and why I would mean it. :D Mar 26 16:57:32 Lol, are they same colour? (the names) Mar 26 16:57:41 Lol :D Mar 26 16:58:02 Names of similar length have the unfortunate tendency of frequently being the same color. Mar 26 16:58:14 I could make the hash suck less, but I'm way too lazy. Mar 26 16:58:25 I'm wondering if there will be any april fools joke on maemo.org ;) Mar 26 16:59:00 Hi, i can't see how to plan a route with maemo-mapper Mar 26 16:59:20 Daviey, use the built-in help Mar 26 16:59:22 It's REALLY good. Mar 26 16:59:24 using the latest version, but i can't find the "Location" submenu under context, any ideas? Mar 26 16:59:31 GeneralAntilles: Eek, I'm using X-Chat. I find its assortment of colours odd :P but I guess it works. Mar 26 16:59:31 gnuite also has it online for easier perusal. Mar 26 16:59:43 Xchat is better at hashing. Mar 26 16:59:57 I wish there were a client with enough colors for everybody to actually be unique. Mar 26 17:00:02 Yeah, following that - but the "Location" menu under context doesn't seem to be there :/ Mar 26 17:00:08 qverty12, you can change the colors in prefs. Mar 26 17:00:17 Ah ok, thanks :) Mar 26 17:00:27 irssi supports multiple colours :) Mar 26 17:00:38 irssi doesn't really scale well to my use. Mar 26 17:00:57 and a screen session really wouldn't provide much benefit for my use. Mar 26 17:01:03 I tried irssi on N800, I'll admit, not exactly a computer but I wasn't really impressed. Mar 26 17:01:16 GeneralAntilles: i use it for over 240 channels, WFM Mar 26 17:02:00 Daviey, I'm not saying that it's not awesome, or that it doesn't scale well Mar 26 17:02:04 it just doesn't scale well for ME. Mar 26 17:02:37 fair enough Mar 26 17:03:25 For as long as IRC has been around, it's surprising how bad most of the clients are. Mar 26 17:04:31 it's hard to imagine any console program being very usable on the tablets Mar 26 17:06:26 What's really astounding is how bad console clients were _before_ irssi. Mar 26 17:06:38 "Let's just dump all of the text from all of the channels in the same window." Mar 26 17:06:50 Haha Mar 26 17:06:53 Too true, derf. Mar 26 17:07:35 derf: I used to use ircII until last year.. good enough Mar 26 17:07:46 wish someone ported MS Comic Chat over to the NIT Mar 26 17:07:52 that would be a cool irc client ;) Mar 26 17:08:02 It's the combination of irc and ADD like need to follow every channel every moment that makes it hard. Things work quite sweet with most clients with 5 or so channels :) Mar 26 17:08:56 ok. what would be a good and open server/clients for chat like irc? Mar 26 17:09:14 unfortunately I tend to have about 30 channels or querys, on average. Not much more useful than the five most relevant, really. Mar 26 17:09:21 which would have clients for mobile phones, windows, linux, mac etc? Mar 26 17:09:40 xchat and irssi are the most ubiquitous. Mar 26 17:10:11 and which protocol? sip ja jabber? Mar 26 17:10:56 oilinki: unless you are in the position to move whole groups, I'd stick to irc :) Mar 26 17:11:39 Lynoure: heh. well. I'm thinking how to get the irc-style chats for common usage Mar 26 17:11:51 "common usage"? Mar 26 17:12:39 GeneralAntilles: make it popular. there are some web-based chat's on the web pages, but I have not seen any good ones Mar 26 17:12:48 pjirc is OK Mar 26 17:12:57 There's no need to change the protocol to make it popular. Mar 26 17:13:27 The clients tend to be more of a problem Mar 26 17:13:28 oilinki: it's already a lot more popular than it was in 1991... Mar 26 17:13:30 plus the exposure. Mar 26 17:13:31 pjirc looks good on the mobile phone? Mar 26 17:13:48 Really, I feel no need to make IRC any more popular than it is. Mar 26 17:14:00 I mean, it should be something that the common users would like adapt to Mar 26 17:14:05 Just look at what happened when Ubuntu got popular. :P Mar 26 17:14:07 GeneralAntilles: servers too... I don't think the protocol can stand a network being very popular... gets heavy during splits Mar 26 17:14:08 (or the NITs <_<) Mar 26 17:14:28 Lynoure: yes. and more popular than it was in 1990 too :) Mar 26 17:15:09 Do you REALLY want to attract the AOL chatroom types to IRC? :P Mar 26 17:15:36 GeneralAntilles: looked at some distro's offtopic channels? =) Mar 26 17:15:38 ok what about separate servers? no interconnection to any other network. just for let's say hobbyists/ Mar 26 17:15:47 or some of the freenode social channels Mar 26 17:16:19 GeneralAntilles: I have no idea who are on AOL chatrooms, but I guess I can be happy about it :) Mar 26 17:17:07 * GeneralAntilles was an AOL user in the early-mid 90s. Mar 26 17:17:10 * GeneralAntilles shudders. Mar 26 17:17:45 I really hate AOL, I'm not sure how it differs in the USA but I really hate the AOL software etc Mar 26 17:18:10 It's only gotten worse with each version increment. Mar 26 17:18:18 1.0-4.0 weren't THAT bad. Mar 26 17:18:35 I've only touched AOL software once, for testing Mar 26 17:21:58 seems like AOL is the irc's counterpart for hitler-card :) Mar 26 17:22:10 all the talk stops Mar 26 17:23:15 still going back to the server/client solution for a chat. do you see that sip or jabber would be better than irc in the future? Mar 26 17:25:05 better in some specific way? Mar 26 17:25:22 Greetings from mars. Anyone here have ogg support working? Mar 26 17:25:34 o/ Mar 26 17:25:54 Eh, the protocol wont really change things. Mar 26 17:26:42 Lynoure: as the client availability for masses, automatic configuration etc. Mar 26 17:27:07 I'm using silc nowadays in place of irc Mar 26 17:28:14 oilinki: irc clients have already gotten pretty good... I suppose jabber clients will get better also with time Mar 26 17:30:38 well, I guess irc could do. which clients are easy to configure for windows or s60? Mar 26 17:30:57 s60 ota would be great, but not likely :) Mar 26 17:32:50 oilinki: I don't use either of those systems for irc, sorry Mar 26 17:33:11 Hi Mar 26 17:33:35 but you can be sure that there are clients for both :) Mar 26 17:33:47 hmm, where is locale information stored. like time/date format. python's locale doesn't seem to get it right Mar 26 17:33:53 where OS2008 wireless manager saves the passwords? Mar 26 17:33:58 silky seems to look quite ok Mar 26 17:33:59 In Gconf Mar 26 17:34:08 qwerty12: whats the key Mar 26 17:34:27 I mean about the wifi question :) Mar 26 17:34:33 ah :) Mar 26 17:34:59 well, locale most likely is also in gconf, just has to find the key :) Mar 26 17:35:15 search for IAP Mar 26 17:36:21 .. /system/osso/connectivity/IAP Mar 26 17:36:57 jott: thank you Mar 26 17:38:01 Is "gcc: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/host-gcc.specs: No such file or directory Mar 26 17:38:01 error: command '/scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc' failed with exit status 1 Mar 26 17:38:01 " a usual error?# Mar 26 17:38:42 I don't think so.. Mar 26 17:38:48 at least I haven't seen that.. Mar 26 17:39:38 ok thanks. I'm un7zing the vmware appliance. I'll mount the image in my Ubuntu and move the host-gcc folder from the vmware image. I have nothing to lose. Mar 26 17:40:25 doesn't sound like something that will work.. Mar 26 17:40:46 what are you trying to do? Do you have host-gcc toolchain installed? Mar 26 17:41:12 Hi everyone! Mar 26 17:41:34 * konttori has been testing writing home applets on python Mar 26 17:41:54 kulve: I'm trying to compile a program in ARMEL target. My host-gcc folder is empty, save a symlink to a lib file. Mar 26 17:42:04 konttori: Hi :) Mar 26 17:42:10 hi Mar 26 17:42:35 how is the applet coming? Mar 26 17:42:53 qwerty12: I think nobody is interested about host-gcc when compiling "normal" application in armel target.. Mar 26 17:43:54 well, I'm just testing the way to do stuff atm. Mar 26 17:44:06 This program cares :(. I've even tried symlinking the host-gcc to the current toolchain it uses : cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm Mar 26 17:44:36 the host-gcc needs to be a host-gcc for SB, you cannot use any other toolchain Mar 26 17:44:46 konttori: have you seen this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142609&postcount=5 Mar 26 17:45:00 yeah. I have Mar 26 17:45:14 qwerty12: http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/tarball/scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc-1.0.8-i386.tar.gz Mar 26 17:45:18 like that one Mar 26 17:45:40 kulve: Ok, thanks. I'll look into it. Mar 26 17:46:13 My favourite and the only python home applets I know are here: http://khertan.net/ Mar 26 17:46:33 konttori: you have done lots of python on maemo, right? have you had ever need to format some dates and times so that they use proper locale setting Mar 26 17:46:54 Well, I've done some python on maemo. Mar 26 17:47:03 No, I haven't needed to convert datetimes Mar 26 17:47:46 but you should be able to do it like this: Mar 26 17:47:47 import locale Mar 26 17:47:47 locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, '') Mar 26 17:47:58 konttori: I just need to and python locale doesn't seem to work.. Mar 26 17:48:11 konttori: ok i will try that before i say it doesn't work :) Mar 26 17:48:42 at least it's not setting to the env locale if you don't run that command first Mar 26 17:49:16 konttori: ok that was it.. thank you :D Mar 26 17:49:38 np! Mar 26 17:51:08 Ok, I managed to get this program to compile. I'm not hot on dh_make but can you redirect where make install installs? Mar 26 17:54:43 in the debian rules file? Mar 26 17:55:22 hmm.. I don't have dh_make in my rules at all Mar 26 17:55:44 No, I mean without creating a deb. I'm pretty lazy, I just tar.gz little releases. But I have luck today, I have dh_make working :) Mar 26 17:56:29 creating a deb is simple. Normally a 4 line rules file is enough.. Mar 26 17:56:47 does anyone know some documentation about how contacts work in maemo? Mar 26 17:57:10 kulve: I had trouble last time, I'm not really a developer at heart :D Mar 26 17:57:37 I would like to know how the interfaces can to link contacts with user accounts, the maemo's addressbook database seem to not have anything to link these two things Mar 26 17:59:23 so, given a contact how do I know the accounts which allow me to make a conversation with him? Mar 26 18:23:05 Hi, I have installed Maemo as per these instructions : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/chinook/INSTALL.txt .. When I try to load it, and go to Install Hello World Application, I get an OK dialago, but it does not feautre in the Installed Applications. This is the full log : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d68544600 - Any idea please? Mar 26 18:23:06 Good evening all) Mar 26 18:24:43 Hello wazd :) Mar 26 18:25:01 Any Hildon guru's here?) Mar 26 18:25:07 I have 2 questions :) Mar 26 18:25:22 By the way, cairo on python is mind bogglingly great! Especially in home applets!!! Mar 26 18:25:26 * konttori leaves Mar 26 18:25:53 Damn! Kontorri, get back here! I need you!) Mar 26 18:26:00 aaaawwww( Mar 26 18:26:19 did you have something in mind? Mar 26 18:26:30 Aw! you're here!) Mar 26 18:26:33 hi) Mar 26 18:26:57 Can anyone enlighten me on exactly how the countrycode thing works - where the mac address is stored etc (what I can do to get past it) don't mind soldering a jtag / serial if I need to - I cannot see anything illegal about modding it to work in the UK Mar 26 18:27:10 I had to check one bit of code before I close down the computer Mar 26 18:27:51 Can you help me a bit with Hildon objects. Is there a graduated volume bar object? Like in built in brightness settings Mar 26 18:28:26 I haven't found any man bout it so I don't know how to make more/less than 5 grades :) Mar 26 18:28:31 or is it possible Mar 26 18:29:03 well, you have the volume bar for example in the volume control status bar applet Mar 26 18:29:11 so, yes, there should be a widget for it Mar 26 18:29:52 nono, i need not volume bar :) Mar 26 18:29:54 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/python_hildon_widgets_api.html Mar 26 18:30:01 ahh.. what then? Mar 26 18:30:05 I need a widget like in brightness Mar 26 18:30:16 with "square" grades Mar 26 18:32:11 aw Mar 26 18:32:22 maybe "control bar" is that thing?) Mar 26 18:32:27 Ahh... like that. Well. I'm not sure, but HildonControlbar might be the one you need. If not, just create it yourself Mar 26 18:32:31 Does anyone have debhelper installed on internet tablet? I would install dpkg says it needs 45 MB to install and I only have 20MB left. I need someone to test something. PM me at Internet Tablet Talk (user name qwerty12) as I'm not on IRC as much and I have to go soon. Mar 26 18:32:47 Ok, thanks a lot :) Mar 26 18:33:06 np. Sorry that I didn't have the andswer immediately. But you found it yourself: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/3-x/python-maemo-3.x/pyhildon_controlbar.html Mar 26 18:33:15 ok. have a great evening all! Mar 26 18:33:16 Finger friendly interfaces ownz :) Mar 26 18:33:23 true! Mar 26 18:33:54 wow. some odd bugs in kbdd Mar 26 18:36:01 Aw, hell, i've forgot to ask second question :) Mar 26 18:36:31 Does anybody knows is it possible to scale hildon widgets?) Mar 26 18:36:51 wazd: probably Mar 26 18:37:00 at least they're theme settable Mar 26 18:39:21 wazd, yes. Mar 26 18:39:22 ok, i'll hack it out, thanks :) Mar 26 18:39:31 oh, great :) Mar 26 18:39:40 Not at all familiar with the specifics, though. :P Mar 26 18:39:45 so i can make control bar wider for example? Mar 26 18:43:25 * lcuk ooohs and ahhhhs at eee touch Mar 26 18:43:43 * lcuk doesnt think it will replace this form factor tho Mar 26 18:44:13 what's eee touch? Mar 26 18:44:42 new model discussed for release - slightly bigger screen but with touch Mar 26 18:46:15 is that the same or different from the 9" model? Mar 26 18:46:35 http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/12330/13354/asus-prepping-9-inch-touchscreen-eee.phtml Mar 26 18:47:08 whats the best maps reposotory for maemo mapper? Mar 26 18:47:48 best in what sense? freedom -> openstreetmap; coverage -> probably google maps Mar 26 18:48:16 for certain locations "best" maybe different from the globally average "best" Mar 26 18:48:30 e.g. there are towns with better openstreetmap than google maps coverage Mar 26 18:48:40 otoh osm's rendered is not as good Mar 26 18:48:52 and the colours clash somewhat with maemo mapper's route and track markers Mar 26 18:48:56 tbh im a bit lost with the whole thing, how to make it download a map for an entire area like the maps aplication does Mar 26 18:49:05 openstreetmap's renderings are suckola Mar 26 18:49:07 speaking of maemo mapper, any plans to make it work with the OS2008 gps infrastructure? Mar 26 18:49:24 mgedmin: in what sense? Mar 26 18:49:29 it plays nicely as it is, as best I can tell Mar 26 18:49:29 Cptnodegard: maps -> manage maps... Mar 26 18:49:34 has the area download Mar 26 18:49:52 what format are the maps supplied onboard the 810? Mar 26 18:50:11 elb: colour clash? the red track is hard to see on the reddish-pink street Mar 26 18:50:29 mgedmin: no, I think it was to do with the way labels were applied Mar 26 18:50:34 I forget, I quit using it early on Mar 26 18:50:57 i think the maps for the map program on os2008 is better than the ones i fid for maemo mapper, is there at possibility to use the os2008 maps or map program on os2007? Mar 26 18:50:57 im zooming and zooming on my location but all i see is the ineter-europe road and the train tracks, does that mean nothing else is covered? Mar 26 18:51:00 like, I think it didn't label streets at farther zoom levels where Google Maps did, or something Mar 26 18:51:07 elb: I was trying to clarify your "mgedmin: in what sense?" Mar 26 18:51:25 maemo mapper + os2008? it doesn't integrate with the gps daemon Mar 26 18:51:36 mgedmin: oh, I meant ... in what sense do you want the GPS to work with the os2008 gps infrastructure Mar 26 18:51:42 right, it doesn't, but it still seems to play nicely Mar 26 18:51:43 essentially it can't use the n810's built-in gps unless some other apps does the d-bus magic and makes the built-in gpsd start Mar 26 18:51:48 Cptnodegard, see the built-in help (also available online) Mar 26 18:51:51 oh, really? Mar 26 18:51:52 lcuk: the biggest files in the maps folder that the maps aplication made has the extension .qt Mar 26 18:51:53 It's really quite excellent. Mar 26 18:51:57 I've never had it not see the GPS Mar 26 18:52:02 you didn't set it to gpsd, did you? Mar 26 18:52:09 do you use /dev/pgps or gpsd on localhost? Mar 26 18:52:15 the instructions say to leave it set to 'autodetect bluetooth gps' or whatever Mar 26 18:52:15 mgedmin, Bluetooth field, leave the MAC blank. Mar 26 18:52:17 Should work fine. Mar 26 18:52:26 GeneralAntilles: that's cool but completely non-discoverable! Mar 26 18:52:31 Cptnodegard, so if i grab a couple of the smaller .qt files and see what i can make of them Mar 26 18:52:32 it's in the documentation Mar 26 18:52:35 ^ Mar 26 18:52:47 I mean, WHO READS THE DOCUMENTATION, really??? Mar 26 18:52:54 i do Mar 26 18:52:56 sometimes Mar 26 18:52:57 :) Mar 26 18:52:57 i did *cower* Mar 26 18:52:58 strange person :) Mar 26 18:53:08 while i was waiting for initial battery charge Mar 26 18:53:08 wherever it was was obvious enough that I knew it by the first time I ran maemo mapper Mar 26 18:53:18 it's like on the download page or something, even, I think Mar 26 18:53:34 I don't even have an N810 and I know. :P Mar 26 18:53:48 lcuk, theres a shitload of files in the folder, most of which are.qt. some bin, some dat Mar 26 18:54:06 yer im looking and ill see what i can discover Mar 26 18:54:29 there isnt a filemon equivilent for linux is there? Mar 26 18:54:37 so i can watch what happens when i run map Mar 26 18:55:11 lcuk: strace can kinda do that Mar 26 18:55:13 quick q: in maemo mapper, "cache DB" is where it will save maps i take it? Mar 26 18:55:25 yes Mar 26 18:55:31 :) Mar 26 18:55:52 what's the /dev/pgps option for? Mar 26 18:56:11 I have a /dev/pgps on the n810, but it doesn't work with maemo mapper ("can't connect to the GPS" after a timeout, iirc) Mar 26 19:00:00 the mpas license is worth it i think :/ Mar 26 19:00:07 either that or i have to move Mar 26 19:02:27 ok. I got it- OS2008 cloned onto my sd card. Tried it a second time on a fresh 1gb SD card. There were some extra details either left out, or not updated for OS2008. It takes all of 5 minutes to do once all the info is available! I'm putting the steps I usd in a blog later, but should I post it also in the howto I started with? It is reaallllyy long and doubt most people will read so far doen to actually see my post. It isn't Mar 26 19:05:06 some people do, so, yes Mar 26 19:05:19 add your notes for people like you Mar 26 19:05:51 lol....I dont like people KotCzarny...what then? :D Mar 26 19:06:05 if you don't like people then don't use their work. Mar 26 19:06:17 and DON'T ask us for help Mar 26 19:06:30 and DON'T read maemo.org howtos Mar 26 19:06:37 and fuck you. Mar 26 19:07:08 if the additional things you had to do enable the process to work better or smoother or complete some part left out, then please do add a comment. amongst other things blog comments are searchable and if the information is valid the origignal posted may actually update the original Mar 26 19:07:10 look u litttle piss ant....I was joking. Did u see the smile?? Mar 26 19:07:54 psychos smile too Mar 26 19:08:21 they smile more than normal ppl Mar 26 19:08:34 but its the eyes that are a problem Mar 26 19:08:43 I just spent a very frusterating trying to follow incomplete instructions for what has turned out to be a very simple task...and now I am asking what to do with my newfound info....and u cuss me out???!!! Mar 26 19:08:43 they are shifty Mar 26 19:08:54 me? Mar 26 19:08:59 i suggested what you should do Mar 26 19:09:01 frusterating morning Mar 26 19:09:16 and you answered with 'i don't like people (i won't share then)' Mar 26 19:09:24 (03:06:41 PM) KotCzarny: and fuck you. Mar 26 19:09:46 look u litttle piss ant.... Mar 26 19:09:57 (03:05:54 PM) WorkingOnWise: lol....I dont like people KotCzarny...what then? :D Mar 26 19:10:05 oh good, a paste war Mar 26 19:10:07 I love it Mar 26 19:10:09 lol hey you two, i can read the scrollback Mar 26 19:10:12 nobody here has a scrollback Mar 26 19:10:15 * mgedmin brings the popcorn Mar 26 19:10:24 go on - repeat the repeats Mar 26 19:10:24 elb: at least those are one liners Mar 26 19:10:25 :> Mar 26 19:10:33 hi, can someone point me to a link to the webmail applet for chinook? I had it before, but I can't find it anymore Mar 26 19:10:40 yes..I did say that..it's true....whatever...clearly u are a waste of my keystrokes.... Mar 26 19:10:53 yes..I did say that..it's true....whatever...clearly u are a waste of my Mar 26 19:10:56 +keystrokes.... Mar 26 19:10:57 KotCzarny: Error: "keystrokes...." is not a valid command. Mar 26 19:11:27 right ladies - can we have some order - WorkingOnWise, please do update the notes. it will be worthwhile Mar 26 19:11:36 yay, even the bots jump into the fray! Mar 26 19:11:48 whos bot it is anyway? Mar 26 19:11:55 and what's it's purpose? :> Mar 26 19:11:56 I will do that lcuk Mar 26 19:12:07 "mikeisawayfromirctoomuch" Mar 26 19:12:14 mirc Mar 26 19:12:16 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 26 19:13:06 i wonder when someone tries to put wince on IT Mar 26 19:13:07 :> Mar 26 19:13:37 Let me repeat my question for the one's that aren't reading through the flamewar ;-) hi, can someone point me to a link to the webmail applet for chinook? I had it before, but I can't find it anymore Mar 26 19:14:20 webmail applet? gmail notifyer? Mar 26 19:14:48 'ossoemail' ? Mar 26 19:14:50 I just get a lil cranky when ppl get pissy over what was clearly a comment in gest....it is a stereotypical script kiddie thing to blast out profanity when they have come to the end of their intelligence... Mar 26 19:15:14 WorkingOnWise: it was you who started it Mar 26 19:15:21 Cptnodegard, the gmail notifyer Mar 26 19:15:32 i answered your question Mar 26 19:15:37 you responded with attitude Mar 26 19:15:41 WorkingOnWise, it's called /ignore. ;) Mar 26 19:15:43 Try it. Mar 26 19:15:49 now I'll go document my findings so others can avoin the frusteration I had this morning. Mar 26 19:16:05 so in general you have the right to make 'a little jokes' Mar 26 19:16:06 GeneralAntilles: yup....already did that :) thanks. Mar 26 19:16:12 and everyone else is forbidden Mar 26 19:16:13 Welcome to the club. :D Mar 26 19:16:16 avoin=avoid Mar 26 19:16:37 oh, the attitude Mar 26 19:17:24 wow - no1 has done enough to be ignored, mind you i didnt even know i could ignore people, so maybe eventually i might find some1 worthy Mar 26 19:17:29 [20:15] Cptnodegard, the gmail notifyer <- i have it on my app installer, its called mnotify. so it has to be in some repository Mar 26 19:17:51 s/1/one/g <_> >_< Mar 26 19:18:02 Cptnodegard, thanks, I guess I'll find it, thanks a lot Mar 26 19:18:07 \ignore GeneralAntilles ;) Mar 26 19:18:11 I didn't remember the name Mar 26 19:18:56 sometimes thou on irc it would be better to /erasefrommemory Mar 26 19:19:18 aVirulence, its in the nokia rep, so you prob have it now that you have the name :) Mar 26 19:19:21 what was seen, cannot be unseen Mar 26 19:19:23 :) Mar 26 19:19:37 my eyes. the goggles, they do nothing. Mar 26 19:19:51 Hehe Mar 26 19:19:55 Cptnodegard, yeah, found it, :) Mar 26 19:20:07 WARNING: do not look into the IRC with your remaining eye Mar 26 19:21:17 third eye Mar 26 19:21:39 I am unclear one one thing....when I did insmod (modules I needed) , was that a one time thing? I rebooted the IT, then duplicated my steps to clone, and all went fine. AFTER it was done, I remembered that I didnt do the insmod (modules I needed) again. Mar 26 19:21:52 i never point that at the screen - the monitor wont ever be the same again Mar 26 19:22:11 you could see things as they really are Mar 26 19:22:18 that's really dangerous Mar 26 19:22:19 :) Mar 26 19:23:06 not really dangerous - its not like im expecting shards of glass or anything Mar 26 19:23:19 * GeneralAntilles remote-detonates lcuk's CRT. Mar 26 19:23:27 lol....ouch Mar 26 19:23:40 good thing the CRT is in the dump Mar 26 19:23:48 Damn! Mar 26 19:23:51 Foiled again. Mar 26 19:24:03 I hate foil Mar 26 19:24:12 * GeneralAntilles wraps himself in his cape and disappears in a puff of smoke. Mar 26 19:24:21 * lcuk puts his nice tinfoil hat on Mar 26 19:24:27 lol....smells like burning batteries Mar 26 19:24:27 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 26 19:24:30 * GeneralAntilles plots. Mar 26 19:24:40 * lcuk psets Mar 26 19:25:32 is insmod sticky? do I have to do it every time I reboot if I want those modules available? Mar 26 19:25:54 what modules are you on about Mar 26 19:26:20 insmod is not sticky Mar 26 19:26:40 right now just ext3 , but I want to try this out on reiserfs too Mar 26 19:27:01 reiserfs is dead isnt it? or am i mixing it up with someone else? Mar 26 19:27:18 define 'dead' Mar 26 19:27:23 or did it just go back to russia? Mar 26 19:27:40 it isnt...then that must mean the boot menu I installed is handleing the modules for me.... Mar 26 19:28:24 reiserfs is in a questionable development state right now, but 3.6 is in use enough that I shouldn't ignore it.... Mar 26 19:29:14 Yikes, www.namesys.com isn't loading right now. Mar 26 19:29:18 I am wanting to turn my tablet into a forensics analysis device for hard drives, cd's and dvd's Mar 26 19:29:20 well, maybe it is Mar 26 19:29:40 so reiserfs will be part of the tool kit.... Mar 26 19:30:16 to be honest, wouldnt a standard lappy be better for full forensics? Mar 26 19:30:56 lappy should be struck from the lexicon Mar 26 19:31:01 possibly along with anyone who finds it reasonable to utter it Mar 26 19:31:06 come over here so I can strike you down, lcuk Mar 26 19:31:09 it would....but the IT is way easier to carry, and recover if there is a problem. Mar 26 19:31:11 ok, tabletop computer Mar 26 19:31:26 my lappy in on my lap right now... Mar 26 19:31:28 hehe Mar 26 19:32:04 elb: those are 'desktop replacements' Mar 26 19:32:05 ;) Mar 26 19:32:18 'lappy' is a desktop replacement? Mar 26 19:32:33 yup Mar 26 19:32:35 I thought it was a travesty of an abbreviation for "laptop" Mar 26 19:32:37 its a bit small for a desktop replacement, where would you put your lamp Mar 26 19:32:40 I have always wanted a pc in my palm...now I got it and I'm gona push it's limits....see just what it can do. Mar 26 19:32:59 no prob working :) Mar 26 19:33:09 * lcuk feels the same way Mar 26 19:33:14 elb: most laptops right now are big as hell Mar 26 19:33:18 elb: it is...I'm lazy....I save 2 keystrokes every time i use it... Mar 26 19:33:20 yes, I know Mar 26 19:33:28 i installed WOW on it the other day - im still waiting for the loading screen to come on Mar 26 19:33:33 but that's just because people are stupid Mar 26 19:33:37 and the industry provides what people want Mar 26 19:33:54 lol...u didn't really install WOW on an IT did u? Mar 26 19:33:57 and noise as hell too Mar 26 19:34:00 noisy Mar 26 19:34:06 no Mar 26 19:34:10 good Mar 26 19:34:17 that would be painful... Mar 26 19:34:19 i lied, elb, you must strike me down for that as well Mar 26 19:34:26 I demand a 500MHz ARM laptop with a full-size keyboard, wireless, and 12h of battery life Mar 26 19:34:31 the framerate would ne fpm's Mar 26 19:34:42 the framerate wouldn't matter since the processor isn't intel Mar 26 19:34:42 elb, you can have 2/3 though ;) Mar 26 19:34:55 you could theoretically run it Mar 26 19:34:56 elb: that will be n800 + igo slim + psp external battery pack Mar 26 19:35:06 KotCzarny: also a usable screen Mar 26 19:35:12 define usable Mar 26 19:35:18 eee 9 inch touch....soon... Mar 26 19:35:19 enough pixels to do real work Mar 26 19:35:28 ... Mar 26 19:35:34 * lcuk drools Mar 26 19:35:34 on a display where you don't have to use them all for a single letter ;-) Mar 26 19:35:37 hmm, usb projector? Mar 26 19:35:54 oh, i know Mar 26 19:36:00 'screen magnifiers' :) Mar 26 19:36:06 the n810 has a sexy display for sure, but you have to use such large-in-pixelsize fonts that it's not much of a "work" machine Mar 26 19:36:20 i adore the arm processor - it reminds me of my amiga Mar 26 19:36:26 * lcuk still mourns it Mar 26 19:36:27 the iBook 12" was pretty much the ultimate laptop, as far as form factor is concerned, I think Mar 26 19:36:42 if it were produced today with modern manufacturing, I'd buy it in a heartbeat Mar 26 19:36:44 i prefer ibm x30-x32 Mar 26 19:36:50 (because that would give it the 12h battery life) Mar 26 19:36:55 elb - bigger eee + touch is close Mar 26 19:37:07 lcuk: the eee would have to be a lot bigger Mar 26 19:37:14 its keyboard is nowhere NEAR full size Mar 26 19:37:26 humans have this thing for macro zooming - MOVE CLOSER Mar 26 19:37:28 transparent osk Mar 26 19:37:53 lcuk: looking at objects closer than foot away is straining your eyes Mar 26 19:37:54 i have an apple wireless kb and its not fullsize but it feels like it Mar 26 19:37:57 lcuk: except that's not true at all Mar 26 19:37:59 read: bling soon Mar 26 19:38:01 blind Mar 26 19:38:04 is kde a reasonable DE for the N800? Or i it a novelty, just to say it can be done? Mar 26 19:38:18 novelty but i think ppl have compiled it Mar 26 19:38:19 the apple wireless keyboard isn't full size? Mar 26 19:38:21 are you sure about that? Mar 26 19:38:22 its geared for mouse Mar 26 19:38:26 I think its key centers are standard pitch Mar 26 19:38:33 yer - its laptop sized - its not got all keys Mar 26 19:38:44 i would love igo kb with trackpoint Mar 26 19:38:45 oh, so, yeah, it's full sized Mar 26 19:38:45 yes, maybe standard sized keys but not a full size keyboard Mar 26 19:38:46 :> Mar 26 19:38:52 number of keys is not what is meant by "full size" Mar 26 19:38:58 or better yet optical track point Mar 26 19:39:01 the number of keys is usually expressed by key count Mar 26 19:39:06 e.g., 102 or 104 key Mar 26 19:39:17 I don't care about all those extra keys, anyway, they're useless Mar 26 19:39:23 ahhh so a fullsize keyboard with only 3 keys is a bit lame Mar 26 19:39:59 anything with less than the standard qwerty layout (or insert your local layout) simply wouldn't be called a "keyboard" ;-) Mar 26 19:40:15 or it would be modified, like "one-hand" or "special purpose" or whatever Mar 26 19:40:19 letter entry apparatus Mar 26 19:40:23 like http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/ctrl-alt-del.jpeg ? Mar 26 19:40:26 speaking of keyboards - the 810 keyboard is squashy - ive been thinking about using an overlay and using the keyboard as an extension (like color selection ranges for drawing program) Mar 26 19:40:41 ;) Mar 26 19:40:42 yes mango Mar 26 19:40:47 thats what i was thinking Mar 26 19:41:02 there was a pirate and elite geek versions too Mar 26 19:41:20 right, i smell food - time to go Mar 26 19:41:30 back later, and KotCzarny dont get into any more fights :P Mar 26 19:41:37 it would be hard Mar 26 19:41:54 back later Mar 26 19:41:57 :) Mar 26 20:42:40 so, who will package osso-pdf-reader for me? Mar 26 20:53:13 AStorm, why cant you build it yourself? Mar 26 20:53:29 or is this your program which needs actual real packaging Mar 26 20:53:37 because my virtualbox and vmware hate me Mar 26 20:53:44 :/ Mar 26 20:53:50 im sure they dont hate you Mar 26 20:53:54 vmware doesn't want to run Mar 26 20:53:56 mildy dislike Mar 26 20:54:05 the specific image or vmware itself Mar 26 20:54:06 and virtualbox doesn't build :/ Mar 26 20:54:12 vmware-server Mar 26 20:54:19 astorm: out of curiosity,, what are you trying to build? Mar 26 20:54:29 osso-pdf-reader Mar 26 20:54:34 ahhh i just got the player Mar 26 20:54:46 I'll try it too Mar 26 20:55:56 gcc b*ches about not being able to assign regs on some asm code Mar 26 20:56:09 with all v. of gcc I have Mar 26 20:56:16 and various flags Mar 26 20:56:25 I'll try w/o any Mar 26 20:57:17 whats the asm for? Mar 26 20:57:29 virtualbox? Mar 26 20:57:41 I guess for emulation Mar 26 20:57:50 :P Mar 26 20:57:51 no, you say gcc complains - it complains when you are compiling what? Mar 26 20:58:12 the pdf reader? Mar 26 20:58:16 when building target-i386 Mar 26 20:58:22 no, vvirtualbox! Mar 26 20:58:33 I can't even run the scrfatchbox Mar 26 20:58:40 hates my gentoo Mar 26 20:58:49 astorm, give me your linux box host/ip/login and i will install you sb/sdk :) Mar 26 20:58:55 Are you trying to get sbox in vbox? Mar 26 20:59:05 and pass too Mar 26 20:59:12 and cc details Mar 26 20:59:15 qwerty12_N800: yup Mar 26 20:59:31 KotCzarny: ya, and a few rootkits Mar 26 20:59:39 the Nokia installeer worked Mar 26 20:59:43 but sbox not Mar 26 20:59:49 hmm.... apt-get cannot install flex for my scratchbox.... known problem, or is my source list incomplete? Mar 26 20:59:49 missing symbols Mar 26 20:59:53 :P Mar 26 21:00:00 hmm Mar 26 21:00:07 you installl sbox first Mar 26 21:00:12 too new system I guess Mar 26 21:00:12 THEN sdk Mar 26 21:00:13 :) Mar 26 21:00:18 ah! Take up kot's offer :d, sbox in proper linux, not emulated is better imho Mar 26 21:00:26 ... that was sbox instaül script Mar 26 21:00:37 doesn't matter Mar 26 21:00:43 my slackware is up to date too Mar 26 21:00:45 * lcuk runs vmware image Mar 26 21:00:45 worked, but sbox itself not Mar 26 21:00:56 what was the error? Mar 26 21:01:02 slackware <<< gentoo ~sx86 Mar 26 21:01:07 naah Mar 26 21:01:07 ~x86 Mar 26 21:01:08 it has been said that x86 is this frankinsteins monster of a system compaired to arm. Mar 26 21:01:12 gcc version 4.2.3 Mar 26 21:01:16 quite recent Mar 26 21:01:20 infobot: so true Mar 26 21:01:38 /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.7.so Mar 26 21:01:44 here I have: 3.4, 4.2.3, 4.3.0 Mar 26 21:01:49 same Mar 26 21:02:11 then it's not recentliness Mar 26 21:02:21 btw, qemu doesn't want to build due to same error Mar 26 21:02:31 mhm Mar 26 21:02:32 more like gentoo-brokeness Mar 26 21:02:36 I suspect flags Mar 26 21:02:43 shouldn't, but... Mar 26 21:02:51 who knows Mar 26 21:03:28 now building vbox Mar 26 21:03:33 Running out of registers means you should be compiling with either -fomit-frame-pointer, -fno-pic, or both. Mar 26 21:03:36 I hope it can run .vmdk Mar 26 21:03:39 so native building in native linux is failing Mar 26 21:03:43 -fno-pic probably won't work on Gentoo. Mar 26 21:03:47 deff: or w/o Mar 26 21:03:57 --omg-optimized Mar 26 21:04:05 No, compiling without those things means you will run out of registers even faster. Mar 26 21:04:07 same fail with pure -O2 Mar 26 21:04:10 :/ Mar 26 21:04:20 AStorm, why not use vmware? Mar 26 21:04:41 because it doesn't work? Mar 26 21:04:42 Anyway, sbox compiled just fine for me on Gentoo x86. Mar 26 21:04:44 :/ Mar 26 21:04:51 compiled... Mar 26 21:04:52 cos using scratchbox in linux in vmware in linux is a bit silly Mar 26 21:04:56 I tried the binaray Mar 26 21:05:05 so I'll try the build Mar 26 21:05:12 vmware = perfect for windows :) Mar 26 21:05:16 :P Mar 26 21:05:18 astorm: install binary packages then Mar 26 21:05:27 bbut then. vbox ought to build Mar 26 21:05:31 ah: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4 Mar 26 21:05:39 KotCzarny: binaries failed Mar 26 21:05:41 :P Mar 26 21:05:51 what was the error? Mar 26 21:06:03 AStorm, you said even vmware fails to run - sounds like major system b0rken Mar 26 21:06:04 let me write it down Mar 26 21:06:06 I installed vmware workstation, i had to use a little program in wine to finish my setup... :p Mar 26 21:06:15 astorm: pastebin.com Mar 26 21:06:15 :) Mar 26 21:06:23 lcuk: well, some feel quite uncomfortable with that chroot hack, which scratchbox is Mar 26 21:06:29 lcuk: they're missing GCC 4.2.0 symbol Mar 26 21:06:39 my libstdc++ Mar 26 21:06:44 :P Mar 26 21:07:06 and some GLIBC_2.7 Mar 26 21:07:20 tbf, i thought chroot wasnt a hack and was normal expected run of the mill thing - like "oh i think i'll go to the toilet, just wait ill chroot myself" Mar 26 21:07:39 lcuk: i always fear to destroy my host system (out of stupidity), when dealing with scratchbox Mar 26 21:08:07 as for sbox binary: inconsistencies detected by ld.so Mar 26 21:08:14 but i thought whatever happens inside the chroot stays inside the chroot. if nothing is symlinked to the outside world then all is good Mar 26 21:08:16 some assert failed Mar 26 21:08:25 :P Mar 26 21:08:30 astorm: install slackware. Mar 26 21:08:31 :) Mar 26 21:08:37 ya, sure Mar 26 21:08:38 lcuk: well, for instance scratchbox shares the /proc file system with the host system Mar 26 21:08:41 I could Mar 26 21:08:49 hardrrives are cheap as dirt Mar 26 21:09:01 not lapptop Mar 26 21:09:10 or ubuntu/debian :p Mar 26 21:09:17 lcuk: so this chroot jail has giant holes Mar 26 21:09:21 tbf, didnt know specifics :) thanks for that i will bear it in mind Mar 26 21:09:21 lol Mar 26 21:09:23 astorm: livecd then? Mar 26 21:09:38 * lcuk is a windows user and linux n00b still Mar 26 21:09:42 KotCzarny: ya, need working nat and wifi Mar 26 21:09:47 :P Mar 26 21:09:54 get wrt54g Mar 26 21:09:55 :P Mar 26 21:09:57 (for the other guy) Mar 26 21:10:03 no Mar 26 21:10:11 on allegro they are <200pln already Mar 26 21:10:26 sorry, no, what for? Mar 26 21:10:33 for nat and wifi? Mar 26 21:10:34 :) Mar 26 21:10:43 but I'll try building that sbox Mar 26 21:10:49 awful lot of messing all this installing crap - generally if it doesnt work i assumed i screwed up and just restore from stable backup and start again Mar 26 21:10:51 instead of bins Mar 26 21:10:58 hehe Mar 26 21:11:06 I should do that too Mar 26 21:11:17 yup Mar 26 21:11:21 this ~x86 gentoo needs an update Mar 26 21:11:22 worked for me at the first try Mar 26 21:11:41 so i assume it's system specific differences Mar 26 21:12:12 it's "too-much-experimentalitis" Mar 26 21:12:47 i prob. need newer binutils Mar 26 21:12:50 :P Mar 26 21:12:58 or older Mar 26 21:13:10 in slackware they moved back to .17 version Mar 26 21:13:11 nah, 2.18 release now Mar 26 21:13:15 because .18 had ld bugs Mar 26 21:13:16 hmm? Mar 26 21:13:18 lol Mar 26 21:13:26 I guess I hit one Mar 26 21:13:29 :) Mar 26 21:13:38 so now you know why it didn't worked Mar 26 21:13:45 heheh Mar 26 21:13:48 and why you should use slackware ;) Mar 26 21:13:57 a real gentoo user would go for sbox2 or DIY toolchain Mar 26 21:14:06 I'll update to 2.18.50.x Mar 26 21:14:08 mhm Mar 26 21:14:10 nope Mar 26 21:14:15 I can do cross to arm Mar 26 21:14:16 that was the broken version Mar 26 21:14:17 :> Mar 26 21:14:22 nah Mar 26 21:14:25 one is Mar 26 21:14:33 I know which one Mar 26 21:14:33 sbox2 doesn't load for me :p Mar 26 21:14:56 have that one masked Mar 26 21:14:57 astorm: .17 is still current in slack Mar 26 21:15:02 I know Mar 26 21:15:24 I need rebuilds in the system Mar 26 21:15:27 is slack the build yourself or is that gentoo? Mar 26 21:15:39 lcuk: gentoo Mar 26 21:15:44 slack is package based Mar 26 21:15:58 you can compile it yourself from sources, but it's slack. Mar 26 21:16:03 yup Mar 26 21:16:04 you are too lazy to do it. Mar 26 21:16:05 ;) Mar 26 21:16:09 i mean, me. Mar 26 21:16:13 can you self build any on 810? Mar 26 21:16:16 I'm used to building self Mar 26 21:16:31 lcuk, no, need coreutils for that Mar 26 21:16:47 and it conflicts with busybox Mar 26 21:16:55 couldnt you bootstrap yourself with sb and then jump into it? Mar 26 21:17:15 * lcuk is doin the hand waving thing Mar 26 21:17:19 g'evening Mar 26 21:17:24 ello Mar 26 21:17:28 lcuk, trying! Mar 26 21:17:38 but sbox isn't cooperating Mar 26 21:17:38 lol Mar 26 21:17:39 ! Mar 26 21:17:40 :P Mar 26 21:18:03 anyone with a couple pointers on gtkmm developement? Mar 26 21:18:05 I'll,debreak the gentoo Mar 26 21:18:07 binutils-2.18.50.0.4 that was the offending version Mar 26 21:18:10 lcuk: yes you can "debootstrap" a new thingy on a runnig internet tablet Mar 26 21:18:15 KotCzarny: old now Mar 26 21:18:21 probably Mar 26 21:18:33 time will tell how well they fixed it Mar 26 21:18:49 cool, i might try reading the scrollback - i might understand it better now Mar 26 21:18:55 I think I might know Mar 26 21:18:56 TuxProbe: You have seen the whole site dedicated to it? Mar 26 21:19:11 it's some glibc vs fpmath=sse thing Mar 26 21:19:21 keesj i did :-) Mar 26 21:19:27 stupid glibc not filtering that out :P Mar 26 21:19:41 thus any fp code = poof Mar 26 21:19:51 TuxProbe: it looked impressive to me Mar 26 21:19:57 TuxProbe, theres plenty of help on specific libraries out there - as long as you compile up with the maemo armel version most things you try should work. ymmv though Mar 26 21:19:58 alternatively, I'll rebuild the whole sys Mar 26 21:20:07 fun Mar 26 21:20:07 gtkmm is nice Mar 26 21:20:08 :) Mar 26 21:20:12 keesj but i get looads of linking errors from Glib::ustring n some paperhead.h Mar 26 21:20:13 unlike qt3 Mar 26 21:20:32 TuxProbe: forgot to -lgtkmm? Mar 26 21:20:43 or -lglib Mar 26 21:20:46 TuxProbe: I know bollux about gtkmm. Mar 26 21:20:55 TuxProbe, are you making your own gtkmm project or are you compiling someone elses Mar 26 21:21:00 on any other x86 (not from the maemo extras repo) it compiles fine Mar 26 21:21:01 uhm, or -lglibmm Mar 26 21:21:12 heh Mar 26 21:21:22 lcuk going for a port of one of my own apps Mar 26 21:21:53 and as far as -lglib, `pkg-config --libs --cflags glibmm-2.4` is all over the place :) Mar 26 21:22:02 ok, is your scratchbox environment setup and are you set into armel mode and do you have the gtkmmdevelopment libraries installed in scratchbox Mar 26 21:22:26 yea sure, it compiles - though a bunch of linkage errors occurs Mar 26 21:22:38 tried linking by hand? Mar 26 21:22:53 and so messy, i cant even figure out where _one_ of them origins from in the code hehe Mar 26 21:23:00 do other things compile and run when you build using scratchbox - ie have you tested Mar 26 21:23:36 hehe Mar 26 21:24:20 ahum yes Mar 26 21:24:51 (just covering the bases, we dont know you we dont know your setup and are just getting a level playing field) Mar 26 21:25:13 http://rafb.net/p/FQYBHM78.html Mar 26 21:26:09 you've got a linkage problem. Mar 26 21:26:11 :D Mar 26 21:26:45 -lglib ? Mar 26 21:26:46 :> Mar 26 21:27:05 glib2 probably Mar 26 21:28:00 yeah, my binutils are broke :P Mar 26 21:28:10 samba fails to link i.e. Mar 26 21:28:13 gentoo, pfft Mar 26 21:28:32 :) Mar 26 21:28:46 but not other things Mar 26 21:28:49 strange Mar 26 21:29:10 downgrade to .17 Mar 26 21:29:12 be safe Mar 26 21:30:59 `pkg-config gtkmm-2.4 --cflags --libs` Mar 26 21:31:28 strange, strange, strange: so i rebuild the interesting packages in scratchbox with -fno-omit-frame-pointers.... Mar 26 21:31:33 * lcuk was digging for howto setup gtkmm makefile Mar 26 21:31:39 ...still opreport doesn't show usefull call graphs Mar 26 21:33:32 lcuk aye, check out a cleaned compile Mar 26 21:34:42 http://rafb.net/p/WSVMfO41.html Mar 26 21:36:49 Hi! Mar 26 21:37:42 Can anyone tell me if x-chat port is active? Mar 26 21:38:44 http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=xchat+chinook Mar 26 21:39:00 TuxProbe, what system do you normally compile this program on - and is the makefile not already configured - looking at your error report there are a lot of other references broken -> glib/gtk/gnome Mar 26 21:39:08 (at first glance) Mar 26 21:39:35 it works with the glibmm /glade/gtk distributed in gentoo and arch Mar 26 21:39:43 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Mar 26 21:40:35 there is a wiki page about porting somewhere on maemo Mar 26 21:41:08 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html Mar 26 21:42:56 luckily it goes over getting a gtk game working :) Mar 26 21:45:07 * lcuk karate chops KotCzarny and blames it on AStorm Mar 26 21:45:26 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 26 21:45:43 good thing i'm shielded with my monitor Mar 26 21:45:58 erm. screen Mar 26 21:46:17 i dunno, internet violence just isnt the same with fancy LCD shields Mar 26 21:46:32 yup Mar 26 21:46:40 it needs other means to pass through Mar 26 21:46:49 ie. between lines Mar 26 21:47:00 those robot tuxs could take off Mar 26 21:47:11 a little penguin army fighting irc battles for us Mar 26 21:47:32 my westell modem doesn't run on tuxes Mar 26 21:47:57 sometimes os differences can be a good thing Mar 26 21:48:04 GeneralAntilles, thx Mar 26 21:52:39 * AStorm sends a squad of ninjas after lcuk Mar 26 21:53:30 now, binutils 2.18.50.0.5 Mar 26 21:53:35 * lcuk randomizes all your symlinks and moves your pr0n folder Mar 26 21:53:47 just felt like sharing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 ;-D Mar 26 21:53:53 harhar, no access rignts Mar 26 21:54:16 old Mar 26 21:54:18 :) Mar 26 21:54:22 old Mar 26 21:54:24 bootstrapping the good 'ol cow astorm? :) Mar 26 21:54:39 I guess maemo isn't secure Mar 26 21:54:42 :P Mar 26 21:54:51 ah. right Mar 26 21:54:55 just don't let strangers ssh access Mar 26 21:54:56 :) Mar 26 21:55:18 vmsplice isn't done on arm yet? Mar 26 21:55:24 "but he wasnt a stranger, i knew him from irc" Mar 26 21:55:46 :> Mar 26 21:55:58 zombie nation Mar 26 21:56:04 rofl Mar 26 21:56:29 all your nokias are belong to us Mar 26 21:56:31 hmm. wonder what it'd take to convince citrix to compile for arm. Mar 26 21:56:40 disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c:133: error: `__NR_vmsplice' undeclared (first use in this function) Mar 26 21:56:44 it would probably cost you an arm and a leg Mar 26 21:56:46 Veggen: big $ Mar 26 21:56:46 arw hehe Mar 26 21:57:09 TuxProbe: gbet better headers then Mar 26 21:57:19 lcuk: probably :P Mar 26 21:57:29 ah right Mar 26 21:57:47 lcux: companys home access solution is citrix based. Mar 26 21:58:43 then i guess you are out of the loop Mar 26 22:00:56 i think iwe seen reports on mingw-gcc cross-compiling for arm Mar 26 22:02:06 hehehe Mar 26 22:02:19 canadian cross anyone? Mar 26 22:03:42 the old standalone citrix clients were ARM, I think Mar 26 22:04:02 not that that's relevant to the discussion ;-) Mar 26 22:04:23 * AStorm will now kill the ccache Mar 26 22:04:37 If that broke stuff, argh Mar 26 22:04:58 rebuilding gcc and glibc now w/o it Mar 26 22:05:34 elb: well. there exists a java client that can be used. guess java plugins in the browser will happen first. Mar 26 22:05:52 damn... off to completely restructure my perfectly hierachial setup for c++ into ansi c :-/ Mar 26 22:05:56 (solution is web-based) Mar 26 22:06:00 port classpath :P Mar 26 22:06:17 started in C, then went gtkmm, now turning back hehe Mar 26 22:06:20 and icedtea Mar 26 22:06:58 and enjoy ;( Mar 26 22:07:02 oups :-) Mar 26 22:10:13 he died due to caffeine overdose Mar 26 22:10:18 :P Mar 26 22:10:23 mourning for c Mar 26 22:11:19 heh, I'm getting some segfaults... Mar 26 22:11:27 * AStorm blames the kernel Mar 26 22:11:43 :> Mar 26 22:11:49 and the filesystem (more probable) Mar 26 22:12:04 some = hal and fixincl Mar 26 22:12:14 good time to start thinking about trying another distro? Mar 26 22:12:15 :) Mar 26 22:12:27 nevah!!!11 Mar 26 22:12:37 gentoo again Mar 26 22:12:38 we will see, we will see.. Mar 26 22:12:39 :) Mar 26 22:13:20 I blame btrfs :P Mar 26 22:13:27 and my ricing Mar 26 22:13:29 btrfs? Mar 26 22:13:35 ya Mar 26 22:13:43 google for it Mar 26 22:14:38 butter? Mar 26 22:14:40 o.O Mar 26 22:16:34 I'm on Slackware!!!! Mar 26 22:16:38 until it goes into kernel tree i will be vary Mar 26 22:17:17 skibur: lucky slacker you are Mar 26 22:31:25 hmm Mar 26 22:31:37 is there any ppt viewer/extractor for linux? Mar 26 22:31:52 (smaller than 10mb) Mar 26 22:32:40 how about running it through google? alternatively install office :P Mar 26 22:32:58 or do you mean on the 8x0 Mar 26 22:33:01 ppthtml claims to change ppt files to html Mar 26 22:33:08 from the xlhtml source package Mar 26 22:33:11 let's see Mar 26 22:34:14 catdoc claims to do something similar but to text Mar 26 22:34:49 i simply hate everyone putting images into ppts Mar 26 22:34:57 if zip wasn't enough Mar 26 22:35:14 ppt should be zip containing files + simple script Mar 26 22:35:16 no, you HAVE to run executable code from an email Mar 26 22:35:51 and how can you get those lovely slide effects to work in the console? Mar 26 22:36:14 isnt there a new ppt -> pptx? or is that just docx? Mar 26 22:38:31 pdf presentations are much better Mar 26 22:38:44 bash: ./nspptview: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory Mar 26 22:38:46 o.O Mar 26 22:38:55 let's correct that script Mar 26 22:42:14 or just use openoffice to convert them to pdf .. this can be done without gui interaction :) Mar 26 22:42:34 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 26 22:42:54 it's like using photoshop to convert tiff to png Mar 26 22:42:56 etc. Mar 26 22:43:05 erm? yeah right ;) Mar 26 22:43:13 ppttopdf? Mar 26 22:43:21 what package? Mar 26 22:44:01 nonexistent Mar 26 22:44:11 script that invokes oo :) Mar 26 22:44:19 * KotCzarny shrugs again Mar 26 22:44:41 anything lightweight? Mar 26 22:45:03 i remember writing simple util to find jpegs by their magic Mar 26 22:45:07 but it's wrong, a little Mar 26 22:45:08 kpresenter? ;) Mar 26 22:45:09 :) Mar 26 22:45:22 kpresenter means installing kdebase at least Mar 26 22:45:23 :) Mar 26 22:45:23 kwhatever? Mar 26 22:45:38 kdiethx - neew kde package Mar 26 22:45:51 *new Mar 26 22:50:15 hmm Mar 26 22:50:21 ppthtml only extracts text Mar 26 22:52:25 night people (central europe) Mar 26 22:52:31 :) Mar 26 22:59:23 how do i impliment a timer in x? ie i want a tick event after a specified period Mar 26 23:00:01 sigalarm? Mar 26 23:00:28 select? Mar 26 23:00:38 i dont know - im used to dropping a timer on a control and getting its Timer() event :$ Mar 26 23:01:06 lcuk: you insist on not using toolkits - that's the price ;) Mar 26 23:01:10 i dont wanna race around updating the screen at full speed, but i want to put a clock Mar 26 23:01:21 lcuk: usleep? Mar 26 23:01:22 ;)) Mar 26 23:01:25 i dont care about toolkits - if there is an agnostic approach Mar 26 23:01:59 gtk and qt provide all this in a convenient way :) Mar 26 23:02:10 yeah Mar 26 23:02:18 but we do not want any deps Mar 26 23:02:34 but x is a dep Mar 26 23:02:36 ehe yeah X11 deps are evil .P Mar 26 23:02:38 and so is xv Mar 26 23:02:50 (and for now sdl is :P) Mar 26 23:03:05 * lcuk is hunting for something as we speak to rectify that Mar 26 23:03:19 oh - and ttf font thingy is Mar 26 23:03:33 and the kitchen sink Mar 26 23:04:12 * lcuk is gonna rip out the sdl requirement and use hand drawn fonts ;) Mar 26 23:04:55 lcuk: write a ebook reader as a kernel module ;) Mar 26 23:04:56 KotCzarny, thx for the usleep hint Mar 26 23:05:04 lcuk: lol Mar 26 23:05:09 lcuk: use select Mar 26 23:05:10 well, i did start by talking to omapfb :P Mar 26 23:05:17 this way at least you can grab user input Mar 26 23:05:32 select? Mar 26 23:05:35 man select Mar 26 23:05:41 insmod liquidreader.ko book=foo.txt ;) Mar 26 23:06:17 ioctl(/dev/liq, foo.txt) Mar 26 23:06:18 ;) Mar 26 23:06:22 nahhh - too interactive, why not make it a filesystem Mar 26 23:07:02 configure which book to read with lilo and select at boottime :) Mar 26 23:07:21 random fortune instead of nokia's logo? Mar 26 23:07:22 ;) Mar 26 23:07:35 "sticking power" - you HAVE to read the next n pages before OS loads Mar 26 23:07:49 forced education Mar 26 23:07:50 ;) Mar 26 23:08:06 yeah with a quiz at the end to test if your REALLY read the pages ;) Mar 26 23:08:09 you Mar 26 23:08:13 ive stepped back from the reader by the way :) Mar 26 23:08:26 that is just a module of a bigger picture Mar 26 23:08:31 'your score today: 68%, no you can't use computer today, go back to books!' Mar 26 23:08:32 ;) Mar 26 23:09:40 that would be tonnes better than microsofts genuine advantage - it would remove the riff raff from the internet Mar 26 23:10:11 genuine disadvantage Mar 26 23:10:25 * lcuk starts to look at what works on touchscreen Mar 26 23:10:26 genuine disability Mar 26 23:10:49 they put the nails in their own coffin Mar 26 23:19:05 hmm Mar 26 23:19:15 patent on downloading jpeg images from the net Mar 26 23:19:16 LOL Mar 26 23:19:37 patent failure Mar 26 23:20:09 patents are evil. Mar 26 23:20:51 hey does anybody know how to develop maemo apps in os x Mar 26 23:21:09 dospod: if you have intel based mac you can try vmware image Mar 26 23:21:42 I do but im low on hd space : \ Mar 26 23:21:44 or just buy cheap pentium3 box Mar 26 23:21:46 :> Mar 26 23:22:15 I have a p4 in the closet Mar 26 23:22:22 but my router is in my other room Mar 26 23:25:47 if you're desperate you can try compiling on your tablet Mar 26 23:26:22 or some remote shell account Mar 26 23:26:29 that you have root access Mar 26 23:26:29 :) Mar 26 23:27:37 hi Mar 26 23:27:57 i need help with rotate screen Mar 26 23:28:03 what kind of help? Mar 26 23:28:14 i flashed the kernel, and installed xomap and the applet, but i can't rotate it Mar 26 23:28:24 i can't see the applet Mar 26 23:28:35 what os? Mar 26 23:28:38 and if i try in terminal xrandr i getXlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". RandR extension missing Mar 26 23:28:45 n800 with os2008 Mar 26 23:28:51 also, have you restarted the device? Mar 26 23:28:56 yes Mar 26 23:29:00 hmm Mar 26 23:29:03 and i tried two patched kernels Mar 26 23:29:09 weird Mar 26 23:29:17 i installed the xomap with the red pilled mode Mar 26 23:29:23 and everything was ok Mar 26 23:29:31 :( Mar 26 23:29:45 any idea? Mar 26 23:29:50 hmm Mar 26 23:30:25 only thing that comes to my mind is that you're running wrong kernel Mar 26 23:30:40 hum Mar 26 23:30:50 i tried ones from sse2.net, and ones that i found on forums Mar 26 23:31:01 sse2.net should be enough Mar 26 23:31:01 that was posted by qwerty Mar 26 23:31:14 and if i try in terminal uname -a Mar 26 23:31:25 i can see that it is the right kernel Mar 26 23:31:42 then it's xomap Mar 26 23:32:02 Linux Nokia N-800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 26 23:32:08 i think that's the patched kernel Mar 26 23:34:00 i need to do anymore after flash the kernel? Mar 26 23:34:06 nope Mar 26 23:34:11 hum... Mar 26 23:34:14 :( Mar 26 23:34:28 try reinstalling xomap anyway.. Mar 26 23:34:37 omg Mar 26 23:34:40 'if at first you don't succeed...' Mar 26 23:34:41 :) Mar 26 23:34:41 it runs... Mar 26 23:34:44 it was the kernel! Mar 26 23:34:50 :) Mar 26 23:34:51 wow Mar 26 23:34:54 hehehe Mar 26 23:35:02 my cat senses were right again Mar 26 23:35:02 ty KotCzarny anyway Mar 26 23:35:04 :P Mar 26 23:35:20 jajaja Mar 26 23:35:23 :P Mar 26 23:35:30 ph34r m3 :P Mar 26 23:35:49 :P Mar 26 23:38:56 * Cerros is away: Cerros(R) No Esta... Mar 26 23:41:20 i think for surfing is better Mar 26 23:41:24 the screen rotated Mar 26 23:41:29 but for normal apps sucks Mar 26 23:41:42 btw. you can drag menu bar Mar 26 23:41:44 as in windows Mar 26 23:41:46 ;) Mar 26 23:42:00 how? Mar 26 23:42:09 have you ever used windows ? Mar 26 23:42:12 m$ windows Mar 26 23:42:14 haha yes Mar 26 23:42:22 how do you drag the taskbar? Mar 26 23:42:28 mm yes Mar 26 23:42:33 AH! Mar 26 23:42:35 i see Mar 26 23:42:36 hahaha Mar 26 23:42:39 yeah Mar 26 23:42:44 ty Mar 26 23:42:44 :P Mar 26 23:42:59 rotating is unsupported Mar 26 23:43:04 and not for everyone Mar 26 23:43:23 but i prefer it enabled with some quirks than not having it at all Mar 26 23:43:29 i see Mar 26 23:45:42 arf canola is rare Mar 26 23:45:53 some items disapear for the screen Mar 26 23:45:56 nag them Mar 26 23:46:05 they probably doesn't know about rotation Mar 26 23:46:15 yes Mar 27 00:09:53 somebody tries webot? Mar 27 00:16:18 hi there Mar 27 00:16:48 I just installed latest sdk for chinook in a gutsy chroot, but it looks like the install script did not install the source repos in /etc/apt/sources.list Mar 27 00:18:05 when I type sb2, my prompt changes to [SB2 chinook40_armel] madcat@colibri ~ $ Mar 27 00:18:16 but I can't run apt-get as user for example Mar 27 00:23:12 anyneone knows how make "normal" phone calls from the N800 Mar 27 00:23:20 use skype Mar 27 00:23:20 i think with Gizmo is possible Mar 27 00:23:29 but free :P Mar 27 00:23:48 you mean 'pc to pc'? Mar 27 00:24:03 no, pc to phone Mar 27 00:24:08 n800 to phone Mar 27 00:24:16 by wifi Mar 27 00:24:17 i think you will have to hunt for some promotions Mar 27 00:24:25 hum Mar 27 00:24:35 phone companies want money for it Mar 27 00:24:53 ie. if it was free they will be out of bussiness Mar 27 00:25:16 i thought that i could do with a SIP number Mar 27 00:25:29 and Gizmo offers free calls Mar 27 00:25:31 to landlines Mar 27 00:25:37 :P Mar 27 00:25:40 promotion. Mar 27 00:25:51 hehe ok Mar 27 00:25:52 skype started with free landlines in us too Mar 27 00:26:19 ah ok Mar 27 00:26:24 but im from spain :P Mar 27 00:26:25 so i think Mar 27 00:26:29 i will pay a little Mar 27 00:26:36 hehe Mar 27 00:27:02 Call those contact on gizmo their mobile phone Mar 27 00:27:03 or landline for free* Mar 27 00:27:13 *More Details & List of Countries Mar 27 00:27:19 yeah, little print Mar 27 00:27:20 :P Mar 27 00:27:54 yes Mar 27 00:27:57 :P Mar 27 00:28:38 still gizmo is better than skype because it uses standard protocol Mar 27 00:29:00 but i can pay it with paypal? Mar 27 00:29:01 mmm Mar 27 00:29:11 find out yourself Mar 27 00:29:14 i'm not a gizmo rep Mar 27 00:29:15 :P Mar 27 00:29:22 yes better Mar 27 00:29:24 ty hehe Mar 27 00:29:26 :P Mar 27 00:30:52 hi pupnik Mar 27 00:40:18 if I installed the chinook40_armel rootstrap, when I type sb2 something Mar 27 00:40:25 where should the command be executed ? Mar 27 00:40:34 from the rootstrap ? it's an arm binary... Mar 27 00:40:51 I followed the instructions on http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html Mar 27 00:41:02 it all worked fine till step 4 Mar 27 00:42:46 it fails with arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: couldn't run `/opt/maemo/tools/arm-2005q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc--L/home/madcat/src/test/usr/lib': No such file or directory Mar 27 01:02:54 wow :) i can see bookreader change speed whilst playing with the up_threshold Mar 27 01:03:12 * KotCzarny writes kcirip Mar 27 01:03:29 KotCzarny, i am showing the colorcube and fps and playing with the up_threshold via ssh Mar 27 01:04:17 :) Mar 27 01:04:51 at default 80 the program is stepping back and using slow cpu and pulling 9fps stable. Mar 27 01:05:42 have you tried gcc autooptimizing ? Mar 27 01:05:50 at 60 the program is keeps revving itself sometimes 9 sometimes up to 20 Mar 27 01:06:02 i compile using -O3 :) keep it simple though Mar 27 01:06:09 * Swapper is away: Estoy ocupado Mar 27 01:06:23 unoptimised i was running at full speed more often than not - the cpu was busier. Mar 27 01:06:30 but the code ran slower overall Mar 27 01:07:33 (follow on)at 40 the program is stable at 27fps Mar 27 01:41:24 hey is pupnik still around Mar 27 01:41:29 sometimes Mar 27 01:41:41 i meaan like now lol Mar 27 01:42:22 ah well ill catch him later Mar 27 01:42:27 g'night mates Mar 27 02:18:41 I want to build a kernel module. But the scratchbox and the N800ś kernel version is not the same. What shoud I do then. Configure another kernel match N800ś version or something? Mar 27 02:18:51 it is Mar 27 02:19:24 check if your sdk matches your os Mar 27 02:20:25 Yes, OS2007 with Maemo 3.x. Mar 27 02:20:50 and you're using SDK 3.2? Mar 27 02:21:17 also check where your kernel sources were sucked from Mar 27 02:22:50 also have you done make n800_defconfig ? Mar 27 02:23:19 KotCzarny, how does that make the kernel versions match? Mar 27 02:23:31 johnx: it preselects same config options Mar 27 02:24:15 i believe otherwise you can get invalid module magic Mar 27 02:24:30 yeah, but not different kernel versions... Mar 27 02:24:58 but you can make module incompatible by simply choosing wrong option :) Mar 27 02:25:12 yeah...but that's not what he said Mar 27 02:25:18 let me rewind Mar 27 02:25:33 * johnx lets KotCzarny rewind Mar 27 02:25:33 ah. Mar 27 02:25:54 maemo: what is your uname -a on device and what is your kernel source dir name? Mar 27 02:26:35 maemo, and what is the amount of the kernel version mismatch? is it just osso1 vs osso2 or is it 2.6.21 vs 2.6.18? Mar 27 02:27:26 2.6.22 vs 2.6.18 Mar 27 02:27:31 .22 ? Mar 27 02:27:35 ?! Mar 27 02:27:40 where have you got that one? Mar 27 02:27:41 :) Mar 27 02:27:57 maemo, make sure you have SDK 3.2 for working with OS2007 Mar 27 02:28:16 (though I wonder why you're sticking with OS2007 at all so long after OS2008 has been released...) Mar 27 02:28:25 johnx: even os2008 have .21 Mar 27 02:28:32 * KotCzarny checks the repos Mar 27 02:29:15 yup. still .21-osso71 Mar 27 02:29:19 I will check then Mar 27 02:33:04 Sorry to make mistake. .22 is the host machines´s kernel version Mar 27 02:33:13 ah Mar 27 02:33:20 no worries :) Mar 27 02:54:40 hah. Mar 27 02:54:51 now i have pps images ripper Mar 27 02:55:01 with listing/extracting ability Mar 27 02:55:03 :> Mar 27 02:55:19 The Basilisk II Mac emulator is rather amusing **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 27 02:59:57 2008