**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 27 02:59:57 2008 Mar 27 03:00:15 i just got it working on my nit like 10 seconds ago Mar 27 03:00:21 im loading up warcraft 2 now lmao Mar 27 03:01:02 haha it runs Mar 27 03:01:09 but its in black in white Mar 27 03:01:14 sound works too Mar 27 03:04:55 Heh Mar 27 03:05:28 zugzug Mar 27 03:05:39 looptar. Mar 27 03:06:16 any idea how to make basilisk run in 256 colors Mar 27 03:06:26 i think that may let warcraft be in color Mar 27 03:06:32 or the emulation is just bugged Mar 27 03:16:34 hm .. Mar 27 03:16:51 i got really annoyed getting this OTG plugin thing to work Mar 27 03:16:59 it's winds me up relly Mar 27 03:17:30 OTG? Mar 27 03:17:32 then simply write to /sys file Mar 27 03:17:39 how about a serial port option ? Mar 27 03:17:46 KotCzarny: hm .. Mar 27 03:18:07 it's just as simple as echo "OTG" > /sys/somewhere/proper Mar 27 03:18:09 KotCzarny: is it all that the plugin is trying to do ? Mar 27 03:18:12 yes Mar 27 03:18:22 use google Mar 27 03:18:31 I wonder if I can make my home Windows XP installation more tablet-friendly Mar 27 03:18:31 KotCzarny: and the ifconfig or other ip stuff ? Mar 27 03:18:47 I'm getting into the habit of Remote Desktoping into it for speed Mar 27 03:18:49 that's another story Mar 27 03:19:05 otg is related to usb mode Mar 27 03:19:19 what happens on the usb is something different Mar 27 03:19:27 http://download.system7today.com/games/Mac_Warcraft_II_Demo.sit.hqx Mar 27 03:19:37 if anyone wants the demo Mar 27 03:24:01 ed: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ Mar 27 03:36:45 wow, ukmp is exclent! Mar 27 03:37:05 especially youtube hack! finaly it's there ;] Mar 27 03:37:26 how about gettin the uktube to work on other platforms ? Mar 27 03:39:45 ok, go ahead Mar 27 03:39:57 heh Mar 27 03:42:50 KotCzarny: yeah .. i looked at that one, just that then i found the promissing plugin, cause i need to have the simple gui button ..it won't be me using that Mar 27 03:43:06 :) Mar 27 03:49:31 is there anyway to make the n810 lock when the keyboard gets closed? Mar 27 03:49:41 probably Mar 27 03:51:08 ok, any ideas how? Mar 27 03:53:00 /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state Mar 27 03:53:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=160708 Mar 27 03:54:14 that's for detecting Mar 27 03:56:20 awesome, thanks Mar 27 04:05:18 does anyone know how to exit rdesktop? Mar 27 04:05:42 push the fullscreen button? Mar 27 04:05:54 nope that doesn't do anything Mar 27 04:05:58 neither does the applications key Mar 27 04:05:58 hum Mar 27 04:06:25 what about app list button? Mar 27 04:06:55 hum Mar 27 04:06:59 thats what i'm talking about. the apps key doesn't do anything Mar 27 04:07:02 KotCzarny: sorry for the disconnect yesterday without thanking you and ... damn! Forgot his name. My ISP decided I didn't need Internet service for a day and I lost all connections. Mar 27 04:07:23 ttmrichter: np Mar 27 04:07:24 KotCzarny: So thank you for the help yesterday and if you could pass it on to the other guy, please do so? Mar 27 04:07:28 i tried searching google but i didn't get much. one person said to hold down the home key, but i have no idea where the home key is? Mar 27 04:07:38 Jsn: It's the key with a little house on it. Mar 27 04:07:48 ttmrichter: i don't even remember what you are thanking me for 8) Mar 27 04:08:07 I was the one who wanted to give his N800 flying lessons. :) Mar 27 04:08:11 ah Mar 27 04:08:18 did it survive? Mar 27 04:08:29 where is that at on the n810? Mar 27 04:08:46 Well, my source of frustration moved from the N800 to my ISP (an outfit run by retarded, untrained chimpanzees) so it survived the day. Mar 27 04:08:48 jsn: there's always ssh and killall :) Mar 27 04:08:58 or shutdown the pc Mar 27 04:08:59 ;) Mar 27 04:09:11 should disconnect rdesktop session? Mar 27 04:09:19 i can't access maemo at all. all i have is the host desktop Mar 27 04:09:46 as i said, try killing the session on the pc Mar 27 04:09:51 i'm like the app. i don't want to have to shutdown the tablet everytime i turn want to close rdesktop Mar 27 04:09:53 in fact i have noticed that os08 does take quite a while to but .. Mar 27 04:10:25 i have never used rdesktop Mar 27 04:10:37 i like vnc more :) Mar 27 04:10:44 may be if i have looked at the boot msgs could actually have a different perception .. Mar 27 04:10:54 the xrdp server uses vnc Mar 27 04:10:54 but solution to your problem is probably in manual.. Mar 27 04:11:08 how to get the verbose console it it is possibple actually ? Mar 27 04:11:22 well there are hot keys to exit full screen, problem is that the n810 doesn't have a f8 key or an alt key Mar 27 04:11:33 ed: insert: dmesg >/tmp/dmesg.log to startup scripts Mar 27 04:11:35 does vnc show the desktop like rdesktop? Mar 27 04:12:13 m$ uses vnc protocol in rdesktop? Mar 27 04:12:22 or get rid of the white nokia screen screen and the terrible ? ah probably will see it all the startup script :) Mar 27 04:12:25 cool .. Mar 27 04:12:27 :) Mar 27 04:12:38 ed: for that you will need to modify initfs Mar 27 04:12:49 no, i'm using rdesktop to log into my ubunut machine running xrdp Mar 27 04:13:07 hum Mar 27 04:13:20 hm .. not too keen on that ..i never really used initrd Mar 27 04:13:35 ed: you can modify bootup screens too Mar 27 04:13:37 how do you kill a vnc connection? Mar 27 04:13:46 by simply replacing then in /usr/share somewhere Mar 27 04:14:19 jsn: hmm, if you need f8 you can try esc then 8 Mar 27 04:14:24 worth a try.. Mar 27 04:14:25 oh yeah, sounds better, would just make it black or may be ivert the colours of the maemo logo Mar 27 04:14:47 there's no esc key on the n810 Mar 27 04:14:56 huh Mar 27 04:15:14 jsn: install xkbd Mar 27 04:15:15 :) Mar 27 04:15:16 sure do wish that my igo bluetooth keyboard was here! Mar 27 04:15:30 it can be told to use simplified layouts Mar 27 04:15:37 so it would take minimal screen space Mar 27 04:15:40 is xkbd a vnc server? Mar 27 04:15:45 and will provide you with fkeys Mar 27 04:15:49 no Mar 27 04:15:53 it's on screen keyboard Mar 27 04:15:57 oh Mar 27 04:16:13 so you can use a layout with 2 buttons only Mar 27 04:16:16 'esc' and 'f8' Mar 27 04:16:22 could be usefull i guess Mar 27 04:16:23 :) Mar 27 04:16:29 well i tried to bring up the onscreen keyboard of the n810, but even with the qwerty keyboard closed, in rdesktop, the onscreen keyboard doesn't come up Mar 27 04:17:44 ed: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/ Mar 27 04:17:59 qgn_indi_about_nokia_logo.png Mar 27 04:18:04 qgn_indi_startup_nokia_logo.png Mar 27 04:18:09 qgn_indi_nokia_hands.jpg Mar 27 04:18:30 should replace with skeletal hands Mar 27 04:18:33 probably last 2 are the bootup screens Mar 27 04:18:57 i put a skeletal kitty Mar 27 04:19:00 :) Mar 27 04:19:27 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/KotCzarny.jpg Mar 27 04:19:29 ;) Mar 27 04:19:59 though it's more like a vampire kitty Mar 27 04:21:17 KotCzarny: czarny is black, right ? Mar 27 04:21:21 yes Mar 27 04:23:51 KotCzarny: i wonder is that polish or cz? or may be slovak? Mar 27 04:24:27 pl Mar 27 04:24:39 i do understand some bits of each, but probably best slovak, but rather separate words Mar 27 04:24:47 ok .. Mar 27 04:25:37 * errordeveloper "god damn rusky" :)) Mar 27 04:25:50 hmm Mar 27 04:26:06 i have 4 archs in my room Mar 27 04:26:17 x86, arm, mips and powerpc Mar 27 04:26:20 heh Mar 27 04:26:59 ah .. i do have something like this as well, may be even more, but there two rooters just getting dust ,,(( Mar 27 04:27:21 and three macs not up since a long while :( Mar 27 04:27:36 hmm, x86/x86_64, arm, vax, powerpc, sparc, some 68k maybe but dont think it runs Mar 27 04:27:55 i don't fill gready enuf to run them all just for myself Mar 27 04:27:58 i have 68k in my other room Mar 27 04:28:06 7mhz is too little nowadays... Mar 27 04:28:18 even my cellphone is clocked ~100mhz Mar 27 04:28:21 :) Mar 27 04:28:25 atleat for modern bloatware :) Mar 27 04:28:36 s/at/ast/ Mar 27 04:28:36 jaska meant: astleat for modern bloatware :) Mar 27 04:28:39 argh Mar 27 04:28:43 failure cascade Mar 27 04:28:44 i got a 25mhz one, mac LC II or something like that .. Mar 27 04:28:50 :) Mar 27 04:29:11 couldn't get the monitor addapter, but it did but up really really quickly! Mar 27 04:29:13 vax is too obscure for me Mar 27 04:29:19 and sparc, hum Mar 27 04:29:25 used that one in school ;) Mar 27 04:29:33 few times only :) Mar 27 04:29:45 very little ram, as you can imagine, but there isn't even ethernet Mar 27 04:30:10 * KotCzarny had networked amiga500 via plip Mar 27 04:30:12 :) Mar 27 04:30:21 only the apple iface, and what that could do anyway ? Mar 27 04:30:24 ssh was overkill :> Mar 27 04:31:44 keeping up with hw subject ..do have an ultra5 downstares, meant to be a great thing for what i wish i'd be doing Mar 27 04:32:26 i even like sol8 in a way, but anyway it turns out to be uncomfy and i only can do stuff on the main box ;( Mar 27 04:33:28 run a linux on it Mar 27 04:33:28 :) Mar 27 04:36:25 so my attempt to remount initfs rw didn't work out, there's not any space left ;( Mar 27 04:36:43 KotCzarny: for the sparc i had rather an netbsd option Mar 27 04:37:10 or mayb fbsd, cause it might lack sound card drivers .. Mar 27 04:37:40 may be i could get sb live to work ..then would be totaly usefull ;!) Mar 27 04:38:11 so howabout the initfs lave modification? impossible, right ? Mar 27 04:38:26 and probably unrecomended .. Mar 27 05:04:57 hi Mar 27 05:05:18 wow Call of Duty 4 is going to IT Mar 27 05:05:23 http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/ Mar 27 05:05:25 :D Mar 27 05:08:32 i have crysis on my tablet Mar 27 05:18:03 anybody have any examples of reading dbus signals in python? Mar 27 05:24:16 when i want to shut down my n800 os2008 the dpad will blink...is it normal and ok? Mar 27 05:27:45 ? Mar 27 05:33:47 can someone reply me? Mar 27 05:34:21 I haven't had a n800 for awhile, but if I remember right, that's normal Mar 27 05:35:03 jga23 um it 's os2007 infact i updated 2007 to 2008 and saw it! Mar 27 05:37:04 I wouldn't be too worried Mar 27 05:37:24 and how can i enabled the light of dpad for the night? Mar 27 05:37:53 search itt, there is a thread there with a script to turn it on/off Mar 27 05:38:24 ok tnx Mar 27 05:42:11 It's normal Mar 27 05:42:27 y Mar 27 05:42:53 Navi u have this view yes? Mar 27 05:42:58 What? Mar 27 05:44:17 shut down n800 os2008 that the dpad will blink Mar 27 05:55:01 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4296 Mar 27 05:55:03 ugh Mar 27 05:55:10 i don't want q1 anymore Mar 27 05:55:13 it's big. :/ Mar 27 06:08:39 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4295 Mar 27 06:08:42 nice idea, lol Mar 27 06:11:44 i hate itouch Mar 27 06:11:49 iverpriced POS Mar 27 06:11:51 :) Mar 27 06:12:53 still, it's gui is nice Mar 27 06:13:16 and nice gui is quite important, isn't it? Mar 27 06:13:19 :) Mar 27 06:13:23 canole is better :) Mar 27 06:13:36 and no, i prefer features Mar 27 06:13:58 nice gui can have features too Mar 27 06:14:15 but in the case of the ipod, it doesnt Mar 27 06:14:23 which is kinda my point Mar 27 06:15:09 :) Mar 27 06:15:47 i use my mp3 player for music, so i need music features, not a wrothless puny webbrowser Mar 27 06:15:56 still, the idea for holes in screen protector could be usefull Mar 27 06:16:38 wonder how that looks in sunshine though Mar 27 06:17:50 I'd think holes in a screen protector would make those areas so much more likely to hold dirt Mar 27 06:19:00 that too Mar 27 06:19:16 so it would be evern more like a real kb >:D Mar 27 06:19:24 huh Mar 27 06:19:50 kb keys are dirtyer than toilets etc Mar 27 06:22:22 wonder when my igo will get toilet status :/ Mar 27 06:22:41 borrow it Mar 27 06:22:43 ;) Mar 27 06:24:09 lol Mar 27 06:40:49 can anybody help me with dbus messages in python? Mar 27 06:47:01 documentation can Mar 27 06:51:16 there isn't much for dbus stuff, I know the interface and path, but I can't get the signal to actually fire Mar 27 07:10:37 I think that on 2.6.21 renicing Xomap will help performance Mar 27 07:10:46 like, -10 Mar 27 07:11:24 I'd love schedtool package Mar 27 07:12:00 and some newer kernel too Mar 27 07:12:54 maybe just 2.6.21 with CFS Mar 27 07:13:02 (backported) Mar 27 07:16:51 I feel so alone Mar 27 07:35:18 huhu Mar 27 07:41:55 needed hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.20-1), libdbus -1-2 (>=0.61) Mar 27 07:53:17 hey can someone give them to me? Mar 27 07:55:56 you should have them on your nokia? Mar 27 07:56:28 alternatively, they're in SDK Mar 27 07:56:52 aren't the hildon-lib0 some 2007 stuff..? Mar 27 07:56:57 isn't Mar 27 07:57:06 might be, let me check Mar 27 07:58:07 how would I autorenice Xomap? Mar 27 07:58:51 tha hildon-lib0 isn't here on my OS2008 Mar 27 07:59:06 AStorm: /etc/init.d/x-server: Mar 27 07:59:08 if [ -x /usr/sbin/dsmetool ]; then Mar 27 07:59:08 dsmetool --nice=-1 -r "/usr/bin/Xomap $ARGS" Mar 27 07:59:08 else Mar 27 08:00:58 mhm Mar 27 08:01:12 dsmetool? Mar 27 08:01:45 ahha, watchdog for reboot Mar 27 08:01:51 it's a tool to start application and to restart when need. Or boot the device if restart isn't an option Mar 27 08:02:11 :P Mar 27 08:05:52 poll: favorite user-installed font for terminal? Mar 27 08:06:15 dejavu sans mono! Mar 27 08:06:25 ty Mar 27 08:06:58 just copy into /usr/share/fonts ? Mar 27 08:07:13 er maybe /usr/share/fonts/nokia ? Mar 27 08:07:16 install ttf-dejavu Mar 27 08:07:18 :P Mar 27 08:07:29 it's in extras I think Mar 27 08:07:33 oh duh Mar 27 08:08:14 wow 5640kB Mar 27 08:08:52 well, fonts are large, esp. multilingual Mar 27 08:09:37 time to try new vmware-server Mar 27 08:09:41 1.5 Mar 27 08:09:55 1.0.5.00187 Mar 27 08:10:09 80187 that is Mar 27 08:11:23 morning all Mar 27 08:11:36 AStorm: those darn version numbers ;) Mar 27 08:12:00 hehe Mar 27 08:13:24 osso-xterm 2008 still only shows me three font options sans, monospace etc Mar 27 08:13:53 monospace, sans, serif Mar 27 08:13:55 reboot Mar 27 08:13:59 :P Mar 27 08:15:47 fc-cache -f didn't help... rebooting Mar 27 08:18:46 as I said, reboot Mar 27 08:20:11 much nicer, thanks AStorm Mar 27 08:20:41 now i need to set font size from a shellscript Mar 27 08:20:55 hmm, simulate zoom button press? Mar 27 08:21:02 with some dbus Mar 27 08:21:16 argh Mar 27 08:21:26 osso-xterm keeps displaying the toolbar every time i restart Mar 27 08:21:38 here it does that too Mar 27 08:22:14 I'm owned... Mar 27 08:22:27 * pupnik files a bug Mar 27 08:22:49 /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h: stray \273 in program Mar 27 08:26:33 it's glibc 2.7 vs gcc 4.2.3 Mar 27 08:26:43 and broken fixincl :/ Mar 27 08:26:44 what U doing AStorm ? Mar 27 08:26:55 trying to debreak my gentoo Mar 27 08:27:14 it's a lost case, needs a reinstall Mar 27 08:27:22 ehhh.. Mar 27 08:27:45 hm, debreak and gentoo in one sentence... ;) Mar 27 08:28:03 inz: around? can you make osso-xterm remember the toolbar remember settings to not appear with every start? Mar 27 08:28:10 it's usually simple, but I blame the FS Mar 27 08:28:24 too much ricing Mar 27 08:28:47 so, need reinstall Mar 27 08:29:05 or at least FS and kernel change Mar 27 08:29:16 then recompile of everything Mar 27 08:29:21 ehhhh... Mar 27 08:30:45 ok, I'll play over ssh Mar 27 08:30:56 have to go to uni Mar 27 08:31:03 carpe diem Mar 27 08:31:07 hehehe Mar 27 08:31:34 the worst part is restoring the settings Mar 27 08:31:44 (of full reinstall) Mar 27 08:31:45 tar cjf etc.tar.bz2 /etc ;) Mar 27 08:31:59 I blame btrfs again :P Mar 27 08:32:04 and a dump with the listing of your packages Mar 27 08:32:31 aquatix; and emerge $(< /pkglist) Mar 27 08:32:40 ya Mar 27 08:32:45 something like that Mar 27 08:32:48 but I hate it :P Mar 27 08:32:52 don't know the gentoo details :) Mar 27 08:33:04 because it takes weeks? Mar 27 08:33:12 fortunately, I have lvm, so tar isn't necessary Mar 27 08:38:30 stupid vmware tries to use system libstdc++ Mar 27 08:38:39 which is too new for it Mar 27 08:38:51 (of gcc 4.3) Mar 27 08:39:09 so, need a chroot for it, yuck :P Mar 27 08:39:48 can't you setenv LD_LIBRARY or something? Mar 27 08:39:59 see you later Mar 27 08:40:06 tahtah Mar 27 08:40:12 :P Mar 27 08:46:39 does the N8x0 tablets use the same power adapters as the Nokia mobile phones? Mar 27 08:48:46 yes Mar 27 08:49:12 ok i'm building my own osso-xterm Mar 27 08:49:18 thanks. I was wondering if the adapter sold at http://store.solio.com/s.nl/it.A/id.144/.f was compatible Mar 27 08:49:44 pupnik: will it have tranlucent windows? :) Mar 27 08:51:20 no Mar 27 08:52:16 pupnik: what are the things it will it do better? Mar 27 08:53:03 disable toolbar Mar 27 08:54:17 just that sounds pretty useful Mar 27 08:59:21 ahh new osso-xterm needs esc to be hit TWICE Mar 27 09:00:07 hi Mar 27 09:01:41 yup Mar 27 09:02:56 :D Mar 27 09:03:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18384 Mar 27 09:03:05 ??? Mar 27 09:17:32 Morning, all Mar 27 09:20:32 hi there Mar 27 09:33:55 hi webustany Mar 27 09:34:54 (actually I've got no questions for now, but I will soon ;-) I'm installing chinook sdk in a debian chroot) Mar 27 09:49:59 yeah osso-xterm fails to load the osso_xterm_ gconf settings Mar 27 09:50:03 for scrollbar and toolbar Mar 27 09:50:14 you can edit them in gconf editor and they don't take effect Mar 27 09:51:36 action = gtk_action_group_get_action(app->action_group, "scrollbar") Mar 27 09:51:46 action = gtk_action_group_get_action(app->action_group, "toolbar"); Mar 27 10:22:32 would someone with a bit of a clue about gtk please PLEASE fix osso-xterm to properly load the gconf settings for toolbar and scrollbar? Mar 27 10:23:13 osso-xterm-0.14.arnim/src/terminal-app.c Jony Valtanen... PLEASE Mar 27 10:23:20 Joni rather Mar 27 10:24:38 this is a CORE maemo app INTEGRATED into OS2008 which is BROKEN Mar 27 10:24:49 pupnik: just use the svn version :P Mar 27 10:25:06 oh Mar 27 10:25:07 ... Mar 27 10:25:39 This project has not released any files. Mar 27 10:25:40 pupnik: like there's no other apps in os2008 which aint broken ;) Mar 27 10:25:41 be careful, head is not in trunk but branches and tags Mar 27 10:25:49 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm/ Mar 27 10:25:58 there is no build afaik Mar 27 10:26:26 ok Mar 27 10:26:43 you know this is fixed in svn? Mar 27 10:27:19 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/osso-xterm/branches/product/debian/changelog?root=osso-xterm Mar 27 10:28:14 grhblah! Mar 27 10:28:36 they're up to mh11 and repos only have mh3? Mar 27 10:29:09 don't know their policy... :/ Mar 27 10:29:32 but counting the number of closed bugs its really strange :P Mar 27 10:29:57 thanks for the push Mar 27 10:30:06 i was being a bit idiotic Mar 27 10:30:09 maybe file a bug Mar 27 10:30:18 release new version :) Mar 27 10:30:37 or "closing this bug would also close bug x,y,z,a,b,c,d" :) Mar 27 10:32:55 i feel like having a tantrum Mar 27 10:33:06 there's tons of stuff in the svn Mar 27 10:33:30 being a newbie on maemo devel, I want to test the connection of intenet on N810. but I have problem in getting the event involved in connections. Do anybody can give me some hints ? Mar 27 10:34:01 there's a way to test it via dbus called 'conic' Mar 27 10:34:11 Hi, I have installed Maemo as per these instructions : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/chinook/INSTALL.txt .. When I try to load it, and go to Install Hello World Application, I get an OK dialago, but it does not feautre in the Installed Applications. This is the full log : http://yancho.pastebin.com/d68544600 - Any idea please? Mar 27 10:35:49 where does it say to start scratchbox with the 'scratchbox' command Yancho ? Mar 27 10:37:18 pupnik it says start outside scratchbox and further up it says to start scratchbox by using scratchbox command :| Mar 27 10:37:31 iirc the debs or somesuch create a bin/scratchbox for starting scratchbox Mar 27 10:37:36 * sp3000 doesn't quite recall Mar 27 10:37:52 or, for logging into scratchbox rather Mar 27 10:39:03 is it how i started scratchbox which is the problem? Mar 27 10:39:14 ok no i just have an older scratchbox here Mar 27 10:40:23 * sp3000 wonders where an "Install Hello World Application" is Mar 27 10:42:15 pupnik: I use the conic.h but I do not receive events Mar 27 10:42:20 main menu > settings > application manager > main view > browse installable applications > hello-world-app Mar 27 10:42:28 neither could i install maemopad Mar 27 10:46:39 mourad: i don't know anything about it, but acmonitor by derf uses it - perhaps the source would help you Mar 27 10:47:13 * sp3000 isn't sure all of these work under qemu Mar 27 10:47:35 I'd randomly blame that but it's mostly magic to me Mar 27 10:49:25 pupnik: if you want I can show you the few lines of code i wrote... I am sure I am missing an obvious thing... Mar 27 10:51:20 mourad: http://pupnik.de/acmonitor_n800-0.1.tar.gz might help you Mar 27 10:51:38 any idea please pupnik / sp3000 ? Mar 27 10:52:04 dunno, try the non-armel target? Mar 27 10:52:12 never seen those errors Yancho Mar 27 10:52:37 :( argh Mar 27 10:52:37 I have hello-world-app in the installed list but I don't know where I installed that from Mar 27 10:52:58 mourad: osso subsustems initialized properly and registered a callbacks? Mar 27 10:52:59 there are many errors before the hello-world-app Mar 27 10:53:53 is it because i started scratchbox after xserver? Mar 27 10:54:13 pupnik: ok I will see it :) Mar 27 10:56:51 mourda: got the code somewhere ? Mar 27 10:57:04 mourad .. bah typo Mar 27 11:01:22 jani : http://paste.dunnewind.net/693 Mar 27 11:06:16 * Cerros is away: Mar 27 11:28:15 jott: have you built any newer osso-xterm from svn? Mar 27 11:28:25 i deleted it... way too much confusingness Mar 27 11:30:13 pupnik: yeah just did a build of head, had mh6 before ;) Mar 27 11:30:47 i only see mh3 in repo Mar 27 11:31:46 that SUCKS Mar 27 11:32:00 http://sse2.net/xterm/ Mar 27 11:32:13 works fine so far Mar 27 11:32:33 (you also need the vte update) Mar 27 11:32:44 ok gtg.. later Mar 27 11:33:03 thx! Mar 27 11:35:07 good morning Mar 27 11:39:33 still can't disable the goddamn scrollbar with mh11 Mar 27 12:09:12 mplayer 26 sucks but 25 is good! Mar 27 12:10:20 lol? :\ Mar 27 12:10:32 yeah i tested now Mar 27 12:11:47 Your conclusion is contrary to the conclusion of most of the community. Mar 27 12:15:21 hehe my test was for play mp4 video files and the 25 can do it better Mar 27 12:28:11 For the google. Updated OS2008 osso xterm build osso-xterm_0.14.mh11_armel.deb is here: http://pupnik.de/xterm.html (*thanks* jott) Mar 27 12:29:54 pup, you're library gets bigger and bigger every day. thanks for all the fish :) Mar 27 12:31:01 Good afternoon everyone. Mar 27 12:31:58 <<< lcuk @ work by the way (tracy if you notice me flashing, hello \:D) Mar 27 12:32:20 I need your critics! I have just done a new www.mojocafe.net Mojo for our devices that i call "Mojocafe Funpixxx" - it is like using your device as a photoframe, showing "funny" photos from time to time... what do you think about it? Mar 27 12:32:54 cyberholic: i increased stars to about 5000 individual pixels Mar 27 12:32:55 At the moment the update is half-hourly, but shall i make it realy 24/7 ? Mar 27 12:33:10 help: lol... what do you mean? Mar 27 12:33:31 starfield you mentioned with about 20 stars... i said i had one with 1000 Mar 27 12:33:44 pupnik: it allows disabling the toolbar except it doesn't? Mar 27 12:34:02 ah... great! now THAT is a warp starfield... commander kirk would be delighted ;) Mar 27 12:34:22 toolbar == disableable, SCROLLBAR == still visible Mar 27 12:34:24 aquatix: the toggle was not persistent Mar 27 12:35:03 ah Mar 27 12:35:37 so, does anyone of you use his/her device as photo-frame viewer? Mar 27 12:36:21 cyberholic: likely the target customers for that aren't hanging out here Mar 27 12:36:39 does the default xterm allow me to choose another font [like dejavu sans mono]? Mar 27 12:36:44 i know... they do not hang out anywhere because Nokia ain`t targeting end-customers :) Mar 27 12:36:46 or do i need your build or something? Mar 27 12:36:48 yes Mar 27 12:36:52 pupnik, i was playing with the cpu throttling last night and had some very nice speedups. i was watching the program running in each speed band by just changing the parameter presumably without upsetting battery consumption Mar 27 12:36:55 too much Mar 27 12:37:01 cyberholic: net yet, but it sounds like a plan :) Mar 27 12:37:16 will burn the backlight quite fast maybe though Mar 27 12:37:49 it might be an idea to try it with some of your emulators and see if you gain any benefits Mar 27 12:37:53 aquatix: well, like the latest poll on internettablettalk shows: installing software ist just a small step into a direction that the ordinary handheld users starts to fall in love with maemo. Mar 27 12:38:18 oh, i love maemo already :) Mar 27 12:38:31 loved it before i had my n810 Mar 27 12:38:33 i have a love/hate relationship with maemo Mar 27 12:38:52 i love the device and the OS, but HATE the development environment support around Mar 27 12:38:58 i do too... but an ordinary user would get depressed having to realize that it is NOT so easy to install certain software or get further vod or podcasts with the video center. Mar 27 12:40:33 Canola and the VideoCenter, in my opinion, are the MOST UNBELIEVABLE features ever had on an handheld - even the ipod/itouch sucks in these points of entertainment but Nokia does not boost these things in a manner that an enduser would/could understand that. Mar 27 12:40:48 Canola is buggy as hell Mar 27 12:41:41 yes, but the usability for "ordinary end users" is awesome - i also do prefer the media player, but i am a project developer and know that the usage of software installation on maemo just sucks. Mar 27 12:42:00 Yes, agree. Canola is great when it works Mar 27 12:42:15 Thus, "beta". Mar 27 12:42:16 nokia is geared towards a little stylus - touch devices benefit from finger control Mar 27 12:42:58 the default media player is quite ok Mar 27 12:43:03 * helpmeobiwan looks at his fingers and wonders if he could implant a stylus (dont ask about nails, they are a source of nourishment) Mar 27 12:43:08 is there a better player aside from canola? Mar 27 12:43:22 helpmeobiwan: pointy fingers :) Mar 27 12:43:23 I would love Canola for the podcasting. Mar 27 12:43:31 :D i'll sharpen them Mar 27 12:43:32 ANy other good podcast client for Maemo (N810)? Mar 27 12:43:37 Two weeks ago i installed ubuntu on my old PC and instantly fell in love with it! Specially the "software repository" stuff just like on maemo. You want a game, ask the repository! You want an image viewer, go ask the repository! No googeling or similiar - only check and update. ... this sould be possible with maemo too!!! Mar 27 12:43:40 Kypeli: wget? Mar 27 12:43:45 lolz Mar 27 12:43:59 Kypeli: since i have my n800 i ignore podcasts and fell in love with vodcasts. Mar 27 12:44:02 cyberholic: yeah, the power of Debian's apt :) Mar 27 12:44:10 I LOVE THAT! Mar 27 12:44:31 cyberholic: what app are you using for vodcasts? Mar 27 12:44:31 I have a regular set of podcasts I listen to on my iPod. I would love to replace my iPod with my N810 Mar 27 12:44:46 ... and i am not a *nix master! Mar 27 12:45:01 try apt-cache search to search for a program, or try the `available programs' in the package manager Mar 27 12:45:18 Kypeli: try the video center - aweful design but it might be of interest to you. Mar 27 12:45:30 Thanks, I'll try. Mar 27 12:45:52 So anyone: what do you think of my latest Mojo? The one with the funpictures showing? Mar 27 12:46:21 cyberholic: can i use Mojo offline? Mar 27 12:46:48 aquatix: well, the clocks yes, the newsfeed, webcam and now the funpix thing not. Mar 27 12:47:02 ok Mar 27 12:47:15 that's logical Mar 27 12:47:27 just wondered, because on the video i saw you needed to log in first Mar 27 12:47:48 Well, on the other hand you can, but they will only show the last information from your update. For example for the wather, that would be bad if it reads sunshine and outside it is snowing ;) Mar 27 12:48:18 :) Mar 27 12:48:27 cyberholic: i hope it doesnt just randomly select pictures from erm specific hidden folders? Mar 27 12:48:29 pupnik: scrollbar vanishes with mh11 when i do "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar -t bool false" Mar 27 12:48:41 aquatix: the login is because it gets the mojos you have added to your profile. So if you want to use them offline, visit the page with your device, login, start the mojos and then go offline. Mar 27 12:48:47 helpmeobiwan: :) Mar 27 12:49:04 helpmeobiwan: nah, it gets the photos from a newsfeed. Mar 27 12:49:05 but the vte is broken again .. no "light black" :( Mar 27 12:49:13 nakednews? Mar 27 12:49:17 lol Mar 27 12:49:23 you want me to do such a mojo? Mar 27 12:49:30 :D lol Mar 27 12:49:34 fleshbot :P Mar 27 12:50:08 inz: around? :) Mar 27 12:50:12 jott saves the day AGAIN! Mar 27 12:50:44 and indeed - fullscreen is much nicer without clutter :) Mar 27 12:51:25 hm i suppose the maemo-hacker.org vte is the better one .. yieks.. forkeritis :O Mar 27 12:51:52 hmm no looks older Mar 27 12:52:59 Oh, another question: can i remote control a cam inside a n800 device without the user knowing and noticing it? *harrrrrrrrrrrr* Mar 27 12:53:17 *just kidding* Mar 27 12:53:45 if you get the user to install sw why not... Mar 27 12:53:57 What is the *nix command to eject the camera on the n800 automaticly? Mar 27 12:55:14 You need a center-print "OPEN THE CAMERA NOW OR YOUR N800 WILL EXPLODE" Mar 27 12:55:28 Camera/pressure release valve. Mar 27 12:56:09 looool Mar 27 12:56:54 * helpmeobiwan gets back to work Mar 27 12:58:15 does anybody know if i can make a menu shortcut to launch osso-xterm in fullscreen? Mar 27 13:02:44 grr Mar 27 13:02:52 and gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/font_size -t int 12 don't work Mar 27 13:03:04 i am sorry that i can not be of any help to you pupnik :( Mar 27 13:03:27 *ARGH* ... ok... the funpix mojo at mojocafe.net has just started! hihi...... Mar 27 13:03:56 hehe Mar 27 13:04:02 the key *is* an integer Mar 27 13:04:06 and the value should be twelve Mar 27 13:05:32 hi, do you try to compile c library with native code for java? Mar 27 13:06:45 pupnik: works here :O.. maybe your font is already at 12 or it does not support size 12 ... Mar 27 13:07:06 nm i see something strange Mar 27 13:07:23 does work though - i just need to set size to 8 Mar 27 13:07:29 still the vte is broken :(... thought inz pushed this to svn Mar 27 13:08:05 !slap adobe reader Mar 27 13:08:17 if i close one window, it closes all pdf's Mar 27 13:08:21 stupid windows app Mar 27 13:08:34 * aquatix wants to go home, use his linux machine again Mar 27 13:08:59 * jott hands aquatix a live cd :) Mar 27 13:11:58 woo Mar 27 13:12:42 Anyone tryed to compile jni code for maemo? Mar 27 13:14:21 ertwroc: the guys from evolvis/jalimo did.. Mar 27 13:15:19 jott: thanks Mar 27 13:16:04 ertwroc: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo for some little heads up Mar 27 13:17:24 i suppose you could look at their oe recipes Mar 27 13:20:39 where is the link to upload ssh public key to garage.maemo.org? i am not able to find it in My Page -> Account Maintenancy Mar 27 13:20:50 *Maintenance Mar 27 13:20:55 jott: heh, i make those ;) Mar 27 13:21:02 but then i can't join the network here Mar 27 13:23:31 mbuf: What is your username on garage? Mar 27 13:23:53 hey guys do u have hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.20-1), libdbus -1-2 (>=0.61)? Mar 27 13:24:16 X-Fade_, "shakthimaan" Mar 27 13:25:29 mbuf: Ok, you shoud receive a mail from garage with instructions. Mar 27 13:25:38 X-Fade_, thanks! Mar 27 13:27:52 hellllloooo Mar 27 13:28:36 Italodance, I don't. look on gronmayer.com/it Mar 27 13:28:50 /ignore Italodance Mar 27 13:28:52 ;) Mar 27 13:28:55 lol Mar 27 13:29:37 johnx ok Mar 27 13:29:45 X-Fade lol Mar 27 13:30:52 Italodance, look, I hate to say this but honestly maybe the N800 isn't the best device for you. You might really want to consider selling it for an ipod touch or an archos 604 or a palm or something that runs windows mobile. Mar 27 13:31:21 johnx lol Mar 27 13:31:29 Italodance, I'm not kidding. Mar 27 13:31:34 johnx: nah, that is not his problem. His country has an iP block why i can not download any stuff Mar 27 13:31:41 johnx i know Mar 27 13:32:05 cyberholic yes i am installing offline :( Mar 27 13:32:15 Did you at least get a wireless router yet? Mar 27 13:32:54 johnx yes i use wlan wifi on many places here shops/underground/big stores/streets.... Mar 27 13:33:42 my problem is only for maemo website and they blocked iran ip and i am trying to solve this with them Mar 27 13:33:45 That reminds me of a story i once read about cuba: a boy with an old PC (AT tower) had commander keen on it. When he visited his pal, who also had an old PC, he took out the harddrive from his pc and brought it to his friend to play the game there... no disks or other memory storage devices at their place! Mar 27 13:34:04 look these: Mar 27 13:34:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 Mar 27 13:34:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2643#c2 Mar 27 13:34:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 Mar 27 13:34:16 the third is mine Mar 27 13:34:24 Italodance: ever considered using tor or a vpn? Mar 27 13:34:47 well, I'm glad to hear that you're pressuring Nokia about this. IP blocks by country are ridiculous. :/ Mar 27 13:35:04 (still pushing them is good) Mar 27 13:35:08 yes 1 of my friend here told me this for buy a VPN Mar 27 13:35:30 It's a legal issue, johnx. Mar 27 13:35:51 s/ridiculous/ridiculous legal issue/g Mar 27 13:35:52 johnx meant: well, I'm glad to hear that you're pressuring Nokia about this. IP blocks by country are ridiculous legal issue. :/ Mar 27 13:36:14 Besides the fact that it's not even sold in Iran. Mar 27 13:36:16 Italodance: ...tor is free and you can force it to use specific exit nodes in virtually any country ;) Mar 27 13:36:31 johnx iran ip is blocked by nokia and not by my country Mar 27 13:36:56 To (legally) provide service to the country they'd have to setup a system specifically for Iran outside of the akamai system. Mar 27 13:37:34 GeneralAntilles, it's not sold in Japan either, but that's where I'm using it. And if I couldn't easily install stuff I'd have sold it off by now, most likely. Mar 27 13:37:47 Japan != Iran Mar 27 13:37:55 general: are you sure? Mar 27 13:37:59 *looooooooool* Mar 27 13:38:15 there are geeks in both who bought tablets and want to install software Mar 27 13:38:34 They can't legally provide service to Iran without setting up another system specifically for Iran, as the device isn't even sold or supported there, it doesn't make much sense. Mar 27 13:38:38 gernal: wouldnt it be correct to say: Japan>Iran ? Mar 27 13:38:43 what is required to replace the initial nokia boot image with a "pusling is the best" image ? Mar 27 13:38:48 Duh, cyberholic. Mar 27 13:39:05 pusling, search for the thread on ITT that mentions boot images. :) Mar 27 13:39:09 For pusling to actually be the best. Mar 27 13:39:23 If pusling WERE the best, he would know how already. :P Mar 27 13:39:26 johnx i installed many apps games till now Mar 27 13:39:29 GeneralAntilles: hihi. Mar 27 13:39:47 GeneralAntilles: that the device is not sold there is not remotely a reason to lock out users Mar 27 13:39:55 johnx but some apps like canola is very difficult Mar 27 13:40:16 jott, but legal issues are Mar 27 13:40:19 Italodance, I understand the situation now and I do agree with you. Mar 27 13:40:39 GeneralAntilles, legal issues are something to be worked around, not something to be used as an excuse. Mar 27 13:40:39 i guess the cryptographic WMD^H^H^H stuff is more of a reason :( Mar 27 13:40:44 johnx exactly dude i am glad u can feel me now Mar 27 13:40:48 It's not an excuse Mar 27 13:40:49 It's a fact Mar 27 13:40:59 still only under US jurisdiction Mar 27 13:41:08 is there any reason why a community member can't setup a mirror? Mar 27 13:41:10 In order to support Iran, they'd have to setup an entirely new system specifically for Iran Mar 27 13:41:14 This costs time and money Mar 27 13:41:19 and if they would use some sane service outside the USA there wouldnt be a problem Mar 27 13:41:19 and since the device isn't sold there Mar 27 13:41:22 doesn't make much sense. Mar 27 13:41:33 I don't disagree that any of this isn't stupid. Mar 27 13:41:33 and not too many users are likely to travel to iran .. Mar 27 13:41:35 But it is REALITY. Mar 27 13:41:47 johnx, timeless has a mirror of Extras, no? Mar 27 13:41:54 and still nokias fault.. Mar 27 13:42:00 just use some proxy Mar 27 13:42:20 alright, We're probably not going to convince each other my arguing. What is the way around this? Mar 27 13:42:24 buy some virtual hosting for few bucks if you don't know anyone you could proxy with Mar 27 13:42:44 glass: you can always circumvent such measures.. but thats not the point Mar 27 13:42:47 would probably be useful for a lot of other things too Mar 27 13:43:00 Italodance, have you had any luck with a proxy server? Mar 27 13:44:47 GeneralAntilles shame! and i am sorry for u! Mar 27 13:45:10 Sorry? Mar 27 13:47:05 yes really what u rhink? Mar 27 13:47:10 *think Mar 27 13:47:10 let's not turn this into a flame war. it won't solve anything. Mar 27 13:47:29 agggg i am agree with johnx...anyway... Mar 27 13:47:54 yeah we all agree that nokia should not use akami anyway :) Mar 27 13:48:03 so Italodance, have you found a proxy you can use to work around this? Mar 27 13:48:51 johnx yes with proxy i can download from maemo.org and i am thinking to found an IP for my n800 internet Mar 27 13:51:38 and yes the only blocked appilaction cataloage is http://repository.maemo.org/ here And the others are ok Mar 27 13:51:48 that's good at least Mar 27 13:53:06 Italodance: Try replacing repository.maemo.org with italodance.maemo.org, that should bypass the caching network. Mar 27 13:53:59 but i downloaded and installed many apps games like mplayer ukmp fbreader hp calculator maemo mapper mediabox mirage mtpaint maemo recorder doom quake from http://repository.maemo.org/ Mar 27 13:54:17 i need only canola 2 now...just that! Mar 27 13:54:21 anmyway Mar 27 13:55:15 Canola 2 exists of a lot of packages. Mar 27 13:55:27 s/exists/consists/ Mar 27 13:55:27 X-Fade_ meant: Canola 2 consists of a lot of packages. Mar 27 13:56:02 X-Fade yes and my problem is on libetk ,it didn't installed .... Mar 27 13:58:37 Italodance: is your ip range blocked on all akamai servers? maybe you could also try to force a specific ip in /etc/hosts Mar 27 13:59:18 jott: If he just listens to me, that isn't needed :) Mar 27 13:59:31 jott yes only on maemo.org (http://repository.maemo.org/.......) and https://garage.maemo.org is currect here Mar 27 13:59:50 X-Fade yes i am trying ur opinion now... Mar 27 13:59:52 X-Fade_: ah indeed.. Mar 27 14:00:15 its not even akamai ;) Mar 27 14:00:22 Nope. Mar 27 14:01:00 how can I find out the available gconf options for osso-xterm? Mar 27 14:01:24 LoCusF: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/xterm Mar 27 14:01:49 Is there some trick to getting omweather to accept a station? It doesn't list anything in its dialogue boxes (country, city, etc.) and it won't accept anything as a custom station. What's the trick? Mar 27 14:01:50 Italodance: Just use the channel, pm isn't needed.. Mar 27 14:02:00 ok Mar 27 14:02:03 X-Fade_ Mar 27 14:02:06 jott: thanks Mar 27 14:02:14 i use my nick from maemo Mar 27 14:02:19 http://italodancemp3.maemo.org/ Mar 27 14:02:26 and i could to enter there Mar 27 14:02:39 but where can i find repository now? Mar 27 14:03:14 infact what can it do for me? Mar 27 14:03:17 I think he means in application manager replace the part that says "repository" with anything you want, like "weeee" Mar 27 14:03:21 Just replace repository.maemo.org for every repository you have in your application manager.. Mar 27 14:03:40 jott: how do I disable the scrollbar? Mar 27 14:03:44 by using an "invalid" name like that it will get you around the caching system Mar 27 14:04:25 ok Mar 27 14:05:39 LoCusF: "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar -t bool false" Mar 27 14:05:51 you may need an more recent osso-xterm if it does not work :) Mar 27 14:06:12 I do have it, fortunately, thanks jott Mar 27 14:07:58 guys Mar 27 14:08:01 when i want to shut down my n800 os2008 the dpad will blink...is it normal and ok? (it is exactly after update os2007 to os2008) Mar 27 14:08:18 yes it is normal Mar 27 14:08:31 and How can i active the dpad blue light for the night in my n800 os2008? Mar 27 14:09:13 Plug it in. Mar 27 14:09:35 Italodance, you can't easily just turn it on manually. Mar 27 14:10:35 isn't this also exposed via /sys ? Mar 27 14:11:13 jott, I believe so, but in this case I don't think that counts as "easily" :) Mar 27 14:11:56 Plug it in!!!!? Mar 27 14:12:12 Application Menu -> Settings -> Control Panel: Display -> LEDs Tab: Check "Device On". Mar 27 14:12:20 hehe depends on your definition of easily ;) (no objdump or kernel hacking needed = not easy ;) Mar 27 14:12:23 Then the light will go on during charging. Mar 27 14:13:03 you can make it blink when the device is on and the screen is off in control panel -> display -> LEDS Mar 27 14:14:30 anybody know if i can generate a fake keybaord event from a shellscript? Mar 27 14:14:32 yes tnx Mar 27 14:14:35 i want to make the terminal go fullscreen Mar 27 14:15:26 pupnik, xdotool can do that, but I don't know if anything already installed in OS2008 can... Mar 27 14:15:55 pupnik: might be easier to write a little python vte wrapper Mar 27 14:15:57 maybe i can generate a dbus event for it Mar 27 14:16:31 you could even add nice custom buttons :) Mar 27 14:17:35 mrhm, and the .desktop file can't specify full-screen... i think? Mar 27 14:17:40 http://earobinson.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/python-vteterminal-example/ .. Mar 27 14:18:18 ok ty Mar 27 14:18:33 (not tried just first google hit :) Mar 27 14:19:45 afternoon all Mar 27 14:23:15 xdotool key F6 works johnx ty! Mar 27 14:23:47 cool, did you already build in scratchbox? I think I made a .deb of it at some point if you're interested... Mar 27 14:23:54 yep just built it Mar 27 14:24:04 ah, nm then. :) Mar 27 14:26:50 that did it man... now it starts without crashing Mar 27 14:27:18 * pupnik puts on Ren & Stimpy - "Happy happy joy joy" Mar 27 14:27:36 forced happiness Mar 27 14:27:53 i wonder what that helmet did in the series Mar 27 14:27:58 I wonder if devilspie would play nice with matchbox... Mar 27 14:28:08 pupnik: what are your running? nethack? :) Mar 27 14:28:32 robotfindskitten? Mar 27 14:29:50 * jott needs to build robotfindskitten as he thinks of it Mar 27 14:30:37 angband Mar 27 14:31:38 hm never played this.. similar to nethack i suppose?! Mar 27 14:31:54 yeah Mar 27 14:31:59 just a roguelike Mar 27 14:32:24 Anybody else have trouble with selecting a background image? Mar 27 14:32:44 http://pupnik.de/angband.html but thanks to jott and johnx it no longer SUCKS so bad Mar 27 14:32:50 The "Browse" button either freezes the device dead or causes a desktop restart. Mar 27 14:35:01 http://sse2.net/robotfindskitten_1.7320508.406-1_armel.deb :) Mar 27 14:35:25 only 27k :) Mar 27 14:35:40 reminds me of asimov's old stories somehow Mar 27 14:36:12 cool Mar 27 14:37:30 hehe maybe i should setup an ami/x in uae or a pcboard in dosbox on my n810 and install some nice doors :> Mar 27 14:38:33 Can someone with more recent experience with GPE and erminig confirm or deny the validity of this statement? Mar 27 14:38:34 "I am sad to see all the newcomers to maemo told that the solution to getting a simple PIM is gpe and erminig - neither of which can be installed from blue pill mode through application manager, IIRC." Mar 27 14:39:40 cd Mar 27 14:39:57 irc: cd: command not found Mar 27 14:40:10 GeneralAntilles, I thought I could install gpe calendar without being in red pill mode... Mar 27 14:40:20 I guess it would depend on what source you pick for it Mar 27 14:40:22 That's what I remember, too, johnx. Mar 27 14:40:36 I just need some confirmation so I can give this joker the smackdown. :P Mar 27 14:40:48 there are like 3 places to get it from though Mar 27 14:41:02 (yay, multiple repositories! woo!) Mar 27 14:41:12 i like the pimlico pim stuff :) Mar 27 14:41:24 Yeah, it'll be particularly good once it gets more fleshed out, jott. Mar 27 14:41:24 I do to in some ways Mar 27 14:41:34 In this game, you are robot (#). Your job is to find kitten. This task Mar 27 14:41:35 is complicated by the existence of various things which are not kitten Mar 27 14:41:37 hahahahaha Mar 27 14:41:49 this game is hilarious :) Mar 27 14:42:01 and over all completely pointless :) Mar 27 14:42:56 i love it Mar 27 14:44:10 heh, speaking of gpe, I just started gpe calendar for the first time in a week and it greeted me with a great impression of a fire alarm O_o I guess it thought I missed a couple appointments... Mar 27 14:47:12 jott what is the animation of the red squiggle approaching robot near top? is that "win" or "lose"? Mar 27 14:47:24 game just exits after that Mar 27 14:48:57 win :) there is no lose Mar 27 14:49:20 oki Mar 27 14:49:28 was just unclear about the win Mar 27 14:49:32 maybe it's more zen that way Mar 27 14:49:36 http://robotfindskitten.org/aw.cgi?main=home.rfk there is some nice story :) Mar 27 14:50:26 well actually you could give up by pressing ESC Mar 27 14:51:03 the poor kitten and poor robot will never be happy together then.. Mar 27 14:57:45 anybody know how to programatically lock the tablet? Mar 27 15:32:41 hi, am i the only one with a little slow extras connection? Mar 27 15:33:50 actually not free, but basic chinook repo Mar 27 15:35:20 probably not. that seems fairly common. Mar 27 15:39:51 Fetched 2345kB in 8m13s hehe Mar 27 15:40:01 20MBit connection! :) Mar 27 15:40:20 is what i bring down in 1? second lol Mar 27 15:41:00 some parts of maemo.org are on akamai's caching servers...which *should* make things faster but sometimes ends up being kind of screwy Mar 27 15:43:16 is there a place to request packages to be ported to maemo? Mar 27 15:44:16 Here I guess, or internettablettalk.com/forums as long as you remember to be polite :) Mar 27 15:46:47 hi, I'm trying to get the maemo 2.2 gregale SDK (for 770) running and have run into some issues. Anyone around that might lend assistance? Mar 27 15:46:48 FunkyPenguin, what do you need? Mar 27 15:47:42 pierlux: ideally i would like tasque, the new banshee, tomboy and billreminder Mar 27 15:48:39 I seem to have seen mumblings about tomboy for maemo at some point in the past Mar 27 15:50:03 well tasque would be super useful Mar 27 15:50:54 and i know there are a load of media apps available already, but banshee really does knock the socks off of everything i've used and the new 1.0 release is even better what with added video support Mar 27 15:51:38 well main problem with all those desktop apps is still the 800x480 screen Mar 27 15:52:18 possibly for banshee but the others shouldnt be too much of an issue Mar 27 15:52:24 FunkyPenguin, well banshee is mono based... I don't know if there are ANY c# apps running on maemo Mar 27 15:52:47 pierlux: tbh all but billreminder are mono based Mar 27 15:53:02 mono is available just no apps using it Mar 27 15:53:17 oh then it sould be easy to make it available for mamoe Mar 27 15:53:32 you just need to find someone who wants to do it ^_^ Mar 27 15:53:42 well, compiling them will be easy, but they won't be hildonized... Mar 27 15:54:42 what process is required to hildonise them? re-write of the gui? Mar 27 15:58:30 to bump/elaborate my question-- I have successfully installed scratchbox per instructions on the maemo 2.2 tutorial. i've created and selected a target, but I think it should have Xephyr available and doesn't. Mar 27 15:58:53 should I expect a /usr/bin/Xephyr within the scratchbox target? Mar 27 15:59:06 bklaas, no, you install that on the host Mar 27 16:00:08 okay, I've got that, but the tutorial has me creating a start-xephyr.sh script that points to /scratchbox/.../usr/bin/Xephyr as well as a lib directory there Mar 27 16:00:32 ah...hmm. Mar 27 16:00:36 I can launch a Xephyr window on the host, but can't connect scratchbox to it Mar 27 16:01:06 I guess it could be different for gregale but you should be able to launch Xephyr on the host with something like Xephyr -ac :2 Mar 27 16:01:25 then in scratchbox, export DISPLAY=:2 and run your program Mar 27 16:01:40 sorry, did that too. Mar 27 16:01:59 and what kind of an error are you getting in scratchbox when you run an app? Mar 27 16:02:45 there are non-instructive errors about everything it tries to start: "Error loading /usr/bin/dbus-daemon", "Error loading /sbin/start-stop-daemon", etc. Mar 27 16:03:10 want to just post the whole thing to pastebin? Mar 27 16:03:38 apologies, you'll have to tell me what pastebin is :) Mar 27 16:03:57 ~pastebin Mar 27 16:03:58 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Mar 27 16:04:02 :) Mar 27 16:04:46 bklaas: have you started the maemo env with af-sb-init.sh start and do you run the application with "run-standalone.sh appname"? Mar 27 16:05:37 http://pastebin.com/m49bda6ef Mar 27 16:06:17 wow...you weren't kidding about non-helpfull. Sorry I doubted you. O_o Mar 27 16:06:41 well, I'm under the assumption I did something stupid in installation, so feel free to doubt :) Mar 27 16:07:11 hmm...the problem is, is that I don't have experience with gregale scratchbox, only bora and chinook... Mar 27 16:07:22 i should note, I have a running Xephyr window run from the host on display :2 when I executed the stuff in scratchbox Mar 27 16:07:51 yeah, I know it's dated. what I'm trying to do is help support some 770 users that have been left out in the cold, and I only have an n800 now Mar 27 16:07:58 how to become root under scratbox? sudo, su, dbclient don't work :| Mar 27 16:08:10 ertwroc, just fakeroot Mar 27 16:08:12 fakeroot Mar 27 16:08:28 thanks Mar 27 16:08:46 my thought was that if I could launch OS2006 in software on a linux machine, I could get around having to re-acquire a 770 Mar 27 16:08:47 remember it's a fake root :) Mar 27 16:19:21 maybe i can back up and ask a question that will decide whether I should keep flailing with this. What I'm trying to support is not a ported app, but a browser-based interface (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?SlimserverAndNokia770). If I get maemo2.2 going, will I be able to use the OS2006 Opera and have network connectivity via this method? Mar 27 16:19:51 I don't think opera is included in the SDK Mar 27 16:21:04 uhm, you might be able to rip it out of a rootfs intended for a 770, but I don't know how much hacking you'd have to do just to make it run Mar 27 16:21:17 could someone correct me if I'm off base here? Mar 27 16:21:47 happy happy happy Mar 27 16:22:54 joy joy Mar 27 16:23:05 * aquatix disappears Mar 27 16:23:29 johnx: thanks for the input. sounds like perhaps I should reacquire a 770... Mar 27 16:24:09 you might be able to do what you want in the SDK, but having a physical 770 to use for testing will likely be much, much easier Mar 27 16:26:02 * GeneralAntilles tags johnx out. :P Mar 27 16:26:05 yeah, think you've convinced me of that. cheers! Mar 27 16:26:25 eh? Mar 27 16:26:39 You were off base, I tagged you out. (baseball) :P Mar 27 16:26:44 :P Mar 27 16:27:12 anyone tried out Moz Prism on Maemo ? Mar 27 16:32:24 CrashandDie: http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2008/03/since-while-ive-being-paying-some.html ? Mar 27 16:32:51 X-Fade_, yeah, well, it was because of that post that I asked the question ;) Mar 27 16:32:52 is there an easy way to see 'updated' packages when we run apt-get update? Mar 27 16:33:47 pupnik, I don't think so, but you can use apt-get upgrade and say no of course :) Mar 27 16:34:17 have you built a SID player for xmms yet? Mar 27 16:35:06 who? Mar 27 16:35:15 johnx Mar 27 16:35:57 uhm...no. I don't have any SID files, use xmms and I have never touched a C64 in my entire life. :) Mar 27 16:36:12 s/use/don't use/g Mar 27 16:36:12 ok Mar 27 16:36:13 johnx meant: uhm...no. I don't have any SID files, don't use xmms and I have never touched a C64 in my entire life. :) Mar 27 16:36:29 any reason you asked me? Mar 27 16:36:46 just a gues Mar 27 16:36:47 just in case I might have? :) Mar 27 16:37:28 remember, I'm pretty new to these com-pew-ter things. :D Mar 27 16:37:36 i've a sidplayer ;).. Mar 27 16:37:38 more a tracker Mar 27 16:37:56 goattracker Mar 27 16:37:58 i just donwloaderd 35k sids in a nice little zip Mar 27 16:37:58 haha Mar 27 16:38:31 my "oldschool" format of choice is midis (and to a lesser extend spc) Mar 27 16:38:45 spc hmm Mar 27 16:39:05 mario theme? :) Mar 27 16:39:18 more for chrono trigger's music Mar 27 16:39:28 ah chrono trigger.. Mar 27 16:39:37 but only when I feel nostalgic Mar 27 16:40:01 ok now i want that music too Mar 27 16:40:14 hehe help pupnik to port the snes emu.. then you can go super-nostalgic :) Mar 27 16:41:41 pupnik: http://sse2.net/goattracker_2.65-1_armel.deb Mar 27 16:42:00 but i guess its better to port sidplay ;) Mar 27 16:44:32 WOWWWW Mar 27 16:44:51 OMG Mar 27 16:45:00 OMGWTFBUS! Mar 27 16:45:04 O RLY? Mar 27 16:45:19 YARLY! Mar 27 16:45:26 NO WAI!!!!!!! Mar 27 16:45:28 ___ _ _ ___ ___ ____ Mar 27 16:45:28 __)( \/\/ )( _)( _)(_ _) Mar 27 16:45:28 \__ \ \ / ) _) ) _) )( Mar 27 16:45:28 (___/ \/\/ (___)(___) (__) Mar 27 16:45:33 blrch Mar 27 16:45:48 I think we skeered him away... Mar 27 16:45:49 * GeneralAntilles <- proportional width fail. Mar 27 16:45:59 lol Mar 27 16:46:10 no one line started with a / Mar 27 16:46:12 \/ Mar 27 16:46:25 aaah Mar 27 16:48:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoatTracker Mar 27 16:49:08 let's go oldschool! everybody get http://www.80stees.com/products/Party-Like-Its-1985-Super-Mario-Nintendo-T-shirt.asp Mar 27 16:49:10 That goat site scares me from clicking any link with the word goat in it... :p Mar 27 16:49:49 feels the sudden need to buy a power glove... Mar 27 16:50:21 hello Mar 27 16:50:31 jott: port sidplay? Mar 27 16:51:12 kulve: should be a straight recompile i guess :) Mar 27 16:51:48 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/sid-support/ Mar 27 16:52:12 ah already done.. nice :) Mar 27 16:52:47 I haven't really tested it, but I was told that kilikali plays the sids. But it would need some tweaking to be able to select durations etc. Mar 27 16:52:56 can someone help me with openbox problems? Mar 27 16:53:18 stulli, what kind of openbox problems? Mar 27 16:53:32 installed it, but it keeps crashing Mar 27 16:53:39 nice kulve Mar 27 16:53:59 and the left hildon bar pops up every 2 seconds Mar 27 16:54:33 kulve: what player can easily start up and random-play a big directory of sids? Mar 27 16:54:48 pupnik: none, I would guess :/ Mar 27 16:55:00 what is big? :) Mar 27 16:55:16 HVSC Mar 27 16:55:34 anyone know why java native library in C compiled in scratbox don't want to run in N800? Mar 27 16:57:39 pupnik: maybe sidplay with some shell magic? :) Mar 27 16:57:57 trying to build the xmms plugin atm Mar 27 16:58:50 ertwroc: i guess without giving us any details - no. Mar 27 16:59:19 jott: yep, for i in *.sid; do gst-launch foo bar; done :) Mar 27 16:59:26 not random though.. Mar 27 16:59:34 johnx: did you get openbox to work? Mar 27 16:59:56 stulli, I never tried it. The only other mention I heard of it was it not working though Mar 27 17:00:07 sorry, I can't help, but I need to get some sleep Mar 27 17:00:23 ok, thx anyway Mar 27 17:00:24 thanks for the help johnx! Mar 27 17:00:39 you made the roguelikes win Mar 27 17:01:17 hm busybox sh does not support $RANDOM :( Mar 27 17:01:56 ..in maemo Mar 27 17:02:20 is it possible to embed mplayer in some sort of 'inner'-window? Mar 27 17:02:39 kulve: ah upstream supports it? Mar 27 17:02:44 jott: I compiled it like for pc, then push it into n800 to directory wchich is on java.library.path, but when I runned my java app i get UnsatisfieldLinkError. I used g++ -shared -lbluetooth -o libavetanaBT.so BlueZ.cpp Mar 27 17:02:52 TuxProbe: Canola does it. Not sure on the hows though. Mar 27 17:03:14 Also Mediabox. Which is Python Open Source. Mar 27 17:03:42 ive used xwininfo on my regular pc Mar 27 17:03:55 then mplayer -wid [#someid] meda.mpg Mar 27 17:04:10 put this pops up a fullscale window on my tablet Mar 27 17:04:21 ertwroc: sounds like it misses some dependend libs?! maybe add /usr/lib to the library.path? Mar 27 17:04:35 In scratchbox, I've been getting "dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3". Does pcm3 exist in ARMEL target or in that case, does X86 target have pcm3? Mar 27 17:04:44 jott: I think I just saw an option for ash in bb's config to have that $RANDOM Mar 27 17:06:10 Hmm, millos noi uudet sivut on tullut? Mar 27 17:06:16 ertwroc: or you do something wrong when invoking it ... Mar 27 17:06:34 sorry :-/ Mar 27 17:06:50 * jott hasn't done jni stuff for some years :/ Mar 27 17:07:36 lol strike that qwerty12 :) Mar 27 17:07:40 works ^^ Mar 27 17:07:45 jott: I added /usr/lib and nothing was changed Mar 27 17:08:01 TuxProbe: lol, nice :p :D :) Mar 27 17:08:26 ertwroc: does the same setup work on your host? Mar 27 17:08:45 jott: yes Mar 27 17:09:25 GtkTable->attach(GtkSocket->attach(GtkPlug)); mplayer -wid `GtkPlug.get_id()` media.mpg <_< more or less Mar 27 17:09:52 beh it's not easy compiling the sidplay xmms plugin Mar 27 17:10:40 ertwroc: mh no idea atm.. maybe try to increase the jvm verbosity Mar 27 17:13:44 jott: I got Native library 'avetanaBT' not found (as file 'libavetanaBT.so') in gnu.classpath.boot.library.path and java.library.path so I think I wrong compilled c code, but I did it exactly like on the host Mar 27 17:17:04 ertwroc: maybe also add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? .. just poking.. Mar 27 17:19:09 or cacao (i assume you use it as jvm) is incomaptible with the javah calling convention.. who knows? :P Mar 27 17:30:10 * pupnik runs ./configure for the nth time Mar 27 17:30:54 is there an app for restart? Mar 27 17:33:08 nooo mplayer doesn work in my scratchbox env!? Mar 27 17:33:24 what does this mean: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libosso.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument Mar 27 17:33:24 ? Mar 27 17:34:03 no reason to run mplayer in scratchbox Mar 27 17:34:08 lol Mar 27 17:34:21 pupnik, what if he's building an mplayer frontend? Mar 27 17:35:28 pupnik, that opentyrian port is nice Mar 27 17:35:45 well.. opentyrian itself is Mar 27 17:35:51 Yeah Mar 27 17:35:54 Great game Mar 27 17:35:59 I used to play it all the time Mar 27 17:36:08 someone should fix the stylus and the pixel doubling Mar 27 17:36:35 what's wrong with the pixel doubling? Doesn't fill the entire screen? Mar 27 17:36:50 causes some strange eerrors in the game menu Mar 27 17:36:53 works fine in-game Mar 27 17:37:12 I haven't noticed anything Mar 27 17:37:18 oop i broke itt? Mar 27 17:37:40 Broken here, too, pupnik. Mar 27 17:37:40 broke what? Mar 27 17:37:59 oh, right. Mar 27 17:40:45 hmm Mar 27 17:40:55 i want a similar port of raptor Mar 27 17:40:59 * pupnik putszes more trying to get gtk1.2 stuff to build Mar 27 17:41:05 no open source i think Mar 27 17:41:28 if you can get adlib synth running on DSP glass, you can play it in dosbox Mar 27 17:41:36 yeah no Mar 27 17:41:41 hee hehe Mar 27 17:41:56 dunno if i'd care of else than the machine gun sound Mar 27 17:42:01 i'd love c64 SID on DSP :) Mar 27 17:42:03 *brrrrrrrrbrrrrrrrrr* Mar 27 17:45:43 pupnik: hmm why not map lcuk idea of dividing the n810 keyboard into areas as a joystick? Mar 27 17:46:02 i do this for one emu Mar 27 17:46:06 ah Mar 27 17:46:07 nice Mar 27 17:46:09 nicer than dpad Mar 27 17:46:18 qwe/asd/zxc Mar 27 17:46:23 yeah just pressed for fun one keys :) Mar 27 17:46:30 no! h/j/k/l is the One True Keybinding! rogue FTW Mar 27 17:46:51 hehe Mar 27 17:46:51 haha hjkl rules indeed :) Mar 27 17:47:14 hows nethack nowadays on it? Mar 27 17:47:41 pupnik: so qweasdzxc for left? :) Mar 27 17:49:29 hmm maybe qaz=left we=up rfv=right and xc=down and sd=fire? Mar 27 17:51:08 and rfvtgb yhnujm ik,ol. p;/ as buttons? Mar 27 17:52:10 yeah Mar 27 17:52:15 nethack has been updated to os2008 Mar 27 17:53:38 but with N810 keyboard it's almost nicer to run base curses version Mar 27 17:53:42 or bt kbd Mar 27 17:56:32 pupnik: what do you think about the mappings? probably room for improvement... Mar 27 17:57:12 for nethack? Mar 27 17:57:19 no for joystick :) Mar 27 17:57:43 i don't know what you are getting at Mar 27 17:58:08 having multiple keys for the same action.. like pressing qaz all means left Mar 27 17:58:12 (on n810 keyboard) Mar 27 17:58:22 no, i want diagonals Mar 27 17:59:00 q+w up left? :) Mar 27 17:59:24 you confuse me Mar 27 18:00:21 just take the n810 and use your thumb :/ Mar 27 18:00:49 you mean thumb has problems reaching the top row? Mar 27 18:00:51 ld: cannot find -lxmms Mar 27 18:01:05 lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 16 Mar 23 14:17 /usr/lib/libxmms.so.1 -> libxmms.so.1.3.1 Mar 27 18:01:09 -rw-r--r-- 1 maemo maemo 51936 Feb 12 21:33 /usr/lib/libxmms.so.1.3.1 Mar 27 18:01:11 ??? Mar 27 18:01:15 pupnik: no in fast games the thumb might fail to press a single key Mar 27 18:01:24 yes well true Mar 27 18:01:33 pandora is for fast games Mar 27 18:01:41 n810 might be too :) Mar 27 18:01:54 for now atleast :) Mar 27 18:02:37 pupnik: full kb is always best for nh Mar 27 18:04:45 ok afk Mar 27 18:04:51 * jott heads to a pub Mar 27 18:05:10 me too soon Mar 27 18:05:23 still trying to get xmms sidplay to build Mar 27 18:05:26 before i head out Mar 27 18:06:00 strange that -lxmms doesn't find libxmms, no? Mar 27 18:06:05 ldconfig -p sees it Mar 27 18:06:35 add -L to the build script? Mar 27 18:07:13 -L/usr/lib/libxmms Mar 27 18:07:13 ? Mar 27 18:07:20 or -Lxmms ? Mar 27 18:07:24 -L/usr/lib Mar 27 18:07:52 that's in there already Mar 27 18:07:57 hmm Mar 27 18:08:02 link manually then Mar 27 18:08:13 ahh Mar 27 18:11:10 hmmm - am i the only one to notice that the voices in map are ogg? i thought there was a problem playing ogg on the device? Mar 27 18:11:30 \o/ libxmmssid.so Mar 27 18:14:20 :( not working Mar 27 18:16:38 boo Mar 27 18:16:54 /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libxmmssid.so: undefined symbol: gdk_threads_lock Mar 27 18:46:59 http://pupnik.de/xmms-sid-almostworkin.tgz almost working xmms sid player plugin ... hewwwwwwp Mar 27 18:47:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=161077#post161077 Mar 27 18:48:06 i think you're trying to ude gdk2 instead of gdk1 ? Mar 27 18:48:10 *use Mar 27 18:48:20 i don't want to :/ Mar 27 18:48:24 maybe i must reconfigure Mar 27 18:48:26 link by hand Mar 27 18:48:33 the last line that make prints Mar 27 18:48:41 ah ok Mar 27 18:48:41 save it in a script and just edit Mar 27 18:48:57 you can even try to link statically Mar 27 18:49:06 i see it i think Mar 27 18:49:39 http://pastebin.ca/959842 Mar 27 18:50:36 i don't even see libgdk Mar 27 18:50:50 yup Mar 27 18:51:22 objdump -T /usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0 |grep -i lock Mar 27 18:51:26 but it has no 'lock' Mar 27 18:51:29 only 2.0 does Mar 27 18:51:46 then you're compiling with gdk2 headers too Mar 27 18:51:53 ahchaa Mar 27 18:53:25 i was hoping for .sid music while i chill with teh beer Mar 27 18:53:31 and angband :) Mar 27 18:53:31 :) Mar 27 18:54:07 it's doable i think if the only errors were miscompiling and not some essential brokennes Mar 27 18:54:08 :) Mar 27 18:54:27 achaa gtk-config poitns to /usr/include/gtk-2.0 Mar 27 18:54:34 hmm Mar 27 18:54:40 shouldn't it be gtk2-config ? Mar 27 18:54:51 this is a gtk 1.2.5 app Mar 27 18:55:00 xmms is Mar 27 18:55:16 so it's pretty strange from the outset Mar 27 18:55:54 so i think 'free' , the guy who got xmms built might have this stuff figured out Mar 27 19:09:22 hmm Mar 27 19:09:28 i have built xmms too Mar 27 19:09:30 afair Mar 27 19:09:41 the only problem was missing glib1/gtk1 Mar 27 19:09:46 so i had to install them Mar 27 19:09:47 :) Mar 27 19:10:11 * KotCzarny goes back to python tutorial Mar 27 19:15:22 xmms1 should die Mar 27 19:15:26 :P Mar 27 19:15:40 at least it's not medialibrarized :P Mar 27 19:15:56 medialibraries should die Mar 27 19:16:08 build us quodlibet Mar 27 19:16:10 or at least current implementation Mar 27 19:16:12 :) Mar 27 19:16:17 what's that? Mar 27 19:16:25 media player Mar 27 19:16:44 actually, audio player- Mar 27 19:16:54 Our Trac installation was DoSd, spammed, and then the backup broke. We're starting from scratch. Bear with us; the downloads, at least, are ready. Mar 27 19:16:55 lol Mar 27 19:17:36 in pygtk Mar 27 19:17:41 they were using doublespaced floppy disks Mar 27 19:17:46 with mlib, but not required Mar 27 19:18:02 uses gstreamer for playback Mar 27 19:18:14 ok i temp renamed scratchbox gtk-config to gtk-config-original Mar 27 19:18:32 and installed the libgtk1.2-dev which is now using the old gtk-config Mar 27 19:18:52 so this is a better situation i think Mar 27 19:18:59 but still -lxmms is worrysome Mar 27 19:19:10 maybe it wasn't finding -lgdk Mar 27 19:19:24 :) Mar 27 19:19:29 i had a bad setup for the includes Mar 27 19:20:11 :) Mar 27 19:22:07 :p Mar 27 19:23:11 ~running~ Mar 27 19:24:05 * pupnik dances Mar 27 19:26:20 thanks for the help KotCzarny Mar 27 19:42:02 has anyone tried to install kismet lately? the eko repo doesn't seem to have it anymore and gronmayer.com/it is turning up nothing. ITT forums don't have anything either. any ideas? Mar 27 19:42:39 You sure about that? :\ Mar 27 19:42:58 http://tinyurl.com/2w3hlk Mar 27 19:43:52 i should refrase, nothing current, everything is around jan and feb Mar 27 19:44:02 Erm, what's changed? Mar 27 19:44:40 the eko repo is gone Mar 27 19:45:25 http://eko.one.pl/maemo/ Mar 27 19:46:03 yeah...now go look for kismet, not there Mar 27 19:46:19 he has it listed as "sorry, no longer available" Mar 27 19:46:32 :( Mar 27 19:46:32 so i was wondering if anyone kept a backup or knows of another repo with it Mar 27 19:46:45 I'd love it too Mar 27 19:47:05 N810 is almost wardriver's dream Mar 27 19:47:27 yeah i found some discussion from march about downloading configs to get it to work Mar 27 19:47:43 i've used it before on my 770 and my friend has is running on his 810 Mar 27 19:47:50 i just can't find the actual deb anymore Mar 27 19:51:47 any thoughts? Mar 27 19:51:47 Meh. I think I did something wrong. I just got my n800 and I charge it up for about an hour, then I take it out, try to turn it on, nothing. So I plug the charger back in and it doesn't respond :\ Mar 27 19:52:29 hold the power button to turn it on Mar 27 19:52:45 Did you upgrade it? Mar 27 19:52:46 how long? Mar 27 19:52:48 i haven't Mar 27 19:52:51 2-3 sec Mar 27 19:52:52 I believe they're still shipping with 50-2 Mar 27 19:52:55 With has the old NOLO Mar 27 19:53:01 Which craps out on some of the OMAP chips. Mar 27 19:53:07 Actually Mar 27 19:53:08 N800 Mar 27 19:53:13 Probably shipped with OS2007 Mar 27 19:53:14 One sec Mar 27 19:53:16 i only turned it on once, with the charging thing on, then i turned it off with the 'shut down' option, or something Mar 27 19:53:21 I wrote up a guide to cover the whole issue. Mar 27 19:53:37 zetx: if you push power button does dpad light turn on? Mar 27 19:54:03 KotCzarny: nope Mar 27 19:54:05 This is what you want: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 Mar 27 19:54:10 Just follow the steps exactly. Mar 27 19:55:14 ack Mar 27 19:55:19 thanks Mar 27 19:55:58 The old bootloader had issues with race conditions for the recently manufactured OMAPs. Mar 27 19:56:05 It's since been updated Mar 27 19:56:26 But Nokia hasn't gotten around to updating the packaging and bundled materials for OS2008-N800s Mar 27 19:56:32 So they still ship with OS2007. Mar 27 19:56:36 Thus, the power-on issues. Mar 27 19:56:39 ah, alright Mar 27 19:56:59 It's non-fatal and will never been seen again once you update to 51-3 Mar 27 19:57:52 thanks alot :D I was going to start panicking after a bit Mar 27 19:59:19 hmm Mar 27 19:59:37 anyone tried changing python2.3 to anything else in sb1 ? Mar 27 19:59:44 barfs with: sem_post: Function not implemented Mar 27 20:00:27 i got sid music playing in xmms on the nokia http://pupnik.de/Timo_Taipalus__Abaddon-Funky.sid Mar 27 20:00:34 deb in a few minutes Mar 27 20:01:37 hehe, good for pissing people off Mar 27 20:02:26 Ugh Mar 27 20:02:36 i love em Mar 27 20:02:41 I managed to break my ssh installation so hard that I can't even figure out how to fix it. Mar 27 20:02:56 i can has diablo plz Mar 27 20:03:00 reinstall? Mar 27 20:03:22 apt fails hard trying to remove it Mar 27 20:03:25 or update it Mar 27 20:03:27 or anything Mar 27 20:04:03 maybe you can extract the deb and just copy over the files Mar 27 20:04:32 * GeneralAntilles is just gonna wait for Diablo. Mar 27 20:05:59 hmm Mar 27 20:06:11 python2.5 has the same issue Mar 27 20:11:11 http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html Mar 27 20:11:12 heh. Mar 27 20:11:50 what's the next hurricane after diablo? Mar 27 20:12:11 how much is the retail price for bp-5l batteries in the us? they cost 80 bucks here Mar 27 20:13:07 original or copy? Mar 27 20:13:13 original Mar 27 20:13:22 (im guessing copys arent that safe= Mar 27 20:13:54 29.95 is the lowest froogle price Mar 27 20:14:03 o_0 Mar 27 20:14:04 http://www.wirelessground.com/nokiaoembp5l.html Mar 27 20:14:12 nice Mar 27 20:14:14 'regular: 79.95' Mar 27 20:14:16 AStorm: Elephanta.. Mar 27 20:14:20 also, is there both a 1300mah and a 1500mah version? Mar 27 20:14:48 nice... 30 bucks Mar 27 20:14:57 but it's a sale Mar 27 20:15:02 so may be old or something Mar 27 20:15:07 I'm trying to update my n810 and it says I need to power on my device while holding the home button... which button is the home button? Mar 27 20:15:14 Elephanta, AStorm. Mar 27 20:15:17 even if 'brand new' Mar 27 20:15:19 Er, what X-Fade_ said. Mar 27 20:15:23 the one with a house on it Mar 27 20:15:34 Swap button Mar 27 20:15:38 It's just below the camera. Mar 27 20:15:41 On the front face. Mar 27 20:16:19 cpt: http://tiny.pl/41pw Mar 27 20:16:22 The one that brings up my running application list or the one that goes back? Mar 27 20:16:37 Lol, I can order replacement BP-5L batteries for $5 on ebay from Hong Kong.. Mar 27 20:16:41 That is bad :) Mar 27 20:16:51 yeah. replacements. Mar 27 20:16:58 kajel: back one Mar 27 20:17:03 probably half the capacity Mar 27 20:17:07 after first 4 weeks Mar 27 20:17:08 :) Mar 27 20:17:13 great, thanks all =) Mar 27 20:17:33 isn't back one esc..? Mar 27 20:17:44 and home the upper button..? Mar 27 20:17:47 btw. li-ion are losing capacity even without use Mar 27 20:17:49 Nah, they are pretty ok. Mar 27 20:18:03 but I've never used the home key. Just don't keep the charger connected.. Mar 27 20:18:08 but if they are stored with ~40% charge and in low temp it's nearly 0% loss Mar 27 20:18:30 s/replacement/firebomb/ Mar 27 20:18:57 hehehe Mar 27 20:19:07 like those Sony batteries Mar 27 20:19:24 GeneralAntilles: People are too scared easily. There are milions of replacement batteries from dodgy firms. You only hear about them every so often. Mar 27 20:19:45 x-fade: want to be a beta tester? Mar 27 20:19:48 :) Mar 27 20:19:57 KotCzarny: Sure.. Mar 27 20:20:08 it may be one in a 100000 that blows Mar 27 20:20:13 I know my charger is ok, so I'm not affraid. Mar 27 20:20:18 but i don't like the possibility Mar 27 20:20:38 KotCzarny: That is what your fire insurance is for ;) Mar 27 20:21:00 sure.. Mar 27 20:21:07 i like my hands Mar 27 20:21:07 :) Mar 27 20:21:13 Hehe :D Mar 27 20:21:15 aren't they all rejects? Mar 27 20:21:17 the wirelessground offer was really good Mar 27 20:21:34 accessorypost is even cheaper Mar 27 20:21:47 but look at the google rating too Mar 27 20:21:56 some shops that show there are scams Mar 27 20:21:57 Hehe, check your battery. "Made in China" Mar 27 20:22:17 Is there a simple mailing list that notifies members when a new version for the n810 is out? Mar 27 20:22:22 *show up Mar 27 20:22:52 if an original battery blows up its nokias problem Mar 27 20:23:03 if a fake one blows up theyll just lol circles in their offices Mar 27 20:23:12 but they may sell you old battery Mar 27 20:23:22 ie. one that was on the shelf for a long time Mar 27 20:23:35 or simply take your cash and don't send you anything Mar 27 20:27:53 without a external charger (which i cant find) extra battery is pontless Mar 27 20:28:09 xmms under 10% cpu also Mar 27 20:28:49 Cptnodegard: I have been thinking about buying one of those hand crank chargers. Can be useful sometimes :) Mar 27 20:28:49 cpt: then your google skills are puny Mar 27 20:28:50 :) Mar 27 20:29:13 Haha Mar 27 20:29:16 RSI, here we come! Mar 27 20:29:18 i saw one for cheap from hong kong on ebay Cptnodegard Mar 27 20:30:06 ah some chiptunes get up to 15% cpu Mar 27 20:30:07 meaning original charger, nothing on nokia.com Mar 27 20:30:12 nothing orig Mar 27 20:30:15 oh. orig Mar 27 20:30:16 :) Mar 27 20:30:20 im paranoid about nobrand batteries :d Mar 27 20:30:27 When I'm using the terminal on my n810, how do I get a pipe character? | Mar 27 20:30:36 been burned with the psp on that one Mar 27 20:30:45 hmm with the newest ffmpeg installed on my n800 and trying to play an mp4 video, i get no sound :/ Mar 27 20:31:04 Cannot find codec 'amr_nb' in libavcodec... any solutions on the libamr for maemo? Mar 27 20:31:26 tuxprobe: i think they need to be installed by hand Mar 27 20:31:32 while compiling ffmpeg/mplayer Mar 27 20:31:49 because of license on amr_* Mar 27 20:34:22 k.. hmm might be possible to just create a codec and set path in a config for mplayer dont u think? Mar 27 20:34:43 i think they have guides for that.. Mar 27 20:35:16 http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-docs/2006-April/007515.html Mar 27 20:35:54 and i think it applies to ffmpeg too Mar 27 20:43:07 Hi there. I've some DVDs next to me and would like to watch parts of them tomorrow on the go on my N810. Any tutorials how to do that properly for Windows or Linux? Mar 27 20:44:02 There are several threads on the issue on ITT Mar 27 20:44:26 http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop&cof=AH%3Aleft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.internettablettalk.com%2F%3BCX%3AInternetTabletTalk%252Ecom%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.internettablettalk.com%2Fimages%2Fittwhite.jpg%3BLH%3A41%3BLP%3A1%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3B&adkw=AELymgUh7Cv9PUe0b5qPCUNPelWW_RFIHR8OWVZ74VffdlwMcR_8HjXcEc4JY-UtAw0OYsanzC8MxDE9lYZei46GLiYcFojHgDozHB4831Ie8hGMnLN63qMA3D4cI66iQRmHtaD6c-VAhf5 Mar 27 20:44:30 ohcrap Mar 27 20:44:34 Shoulda tinyurled that. Mar 27 20:45:04 Thanks, will try that Mar 27 21:08:44 or, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html Mar 27 21:21:05 anybody know how to programatically lock the tablet? Mar 27 21:21:35 i have tried looking for it Mar 27 21:21:40 but got sleepy Mar 27 21:21:46 and went to bed Mar 27 21:21:47 :) Mar 27 21:21:59 Use 100% CPU making random filesystem writes? Mar 27 21:22:12 ^ idiot Mar 27 21:22:36 Lock it manually and watch the dbus messages that go by. Mar 27 21:23:03 derf: he wanted an app that will lock n810 after hiding kb Mar 27 21:23:18 and unlock after sliding out Mar 27 21:23:23 exactly Mar 27 21:23:25 it does that already Mar 27 21:23:25 Sure... I'm presuming that sending one of those messages yourself will do that. Mar 27 21:23:33 if you lock it, then slide out it will unlock Mar 27 21:23:43 derf: which one? :) Mar 27 21:23:45 but if you interact and then close, it won't lock Mar 27 21:23:50 lcuk: but the locking part? Mar 27 21:23:50 if you do nothing else and just slide it closed again it will relock Mar 27 21:23:57 See powerlaunch Mar 27 21:24:07 KotCzarny: I don't know! That's why I told _him_ to watch them. Mar 27 21:24:09 I got the dbus signal working to alert when sliding Mar 27 21:24:10 no - i need it as well - its a PITA to have to pull device out of cradle each night to lock Mar 27 21:24:13 i would have it on a command Mar 27 21:24:47 i get the slide open/close messages as well - and the lock/unlock ones (or at least in dmesg) Mar 27 21:24:57 GeneralAntilles: Tried searching ITT, but "dvd", "video" etc. only give wrong/false results. Any better keywords for an alternative to the nokia media converter? Mar 27 21:25:12 The link I gave you before? Mar 27 21:25:18 lcuk: I get the messages, but I'm not sure how to invoke the locking/unlocking Mar 27 21:25:22 derf: can you sniff other apps dbus messages? Mar 27 21:25:28 There's a bunch of relevant threads in the google result. Mar 27 21:25:38 darklajid, nokia video converter is just like xyzabc video converters, it just takes a movie and converts it to a codec and bitrate applicable Mar 27 21:25:40 jga23, look at powerlaunch Mar 27 21:25:46 GeneralAntilles: looking now Mar 27 21:26:08 lcuk: Probably with dumbed down interface for people like me, though? Mar 27 21:26:37 GeneralAntilles: Is there an estimated time before the charging mode starts again? Mar 27 21:26:38 are you taking actual dvds and wanting an avi/mp4 result? Mar 27 21:27:28 Depends on a lot of indeterminate variables. Mar 27 21:27:38 It took mine about 40 minutes. Mar 27 21:27:53 You could try popping it in the freezer for 20 minutes or so Mar 27 21:27:56 if so, its not a simple process, look around for "dvd to avi" and see whats available - i havent ripped a real dvd in years Mar 27 21:27:56 then giving it another go. Mar 27 21:28:07 its simpler to hold dvd in hand and then find it on a torrent site Mar 27 21:28:31 dont go putting your blasted nokia in the freezer Mar 27 21:28:46 lol Mar 27 21:29:15 god, i can think of more fun things to do if you want to destroy it Mar 27 21:29:19 lcuk: Ripping a dvd is not a problem. Knowing the target format/resolution is, though. Mar 27 21:29:30 ~25°F wont do shit Mar 27 21:29:37 take the battery out - wait a few minutes, pop it back in and see Mar 27 21:29:41 ga == idiot Mar 27 21:29:46 :> Mar 27 21:29:48 its not the cold thats the problem its the moisture Mar 27 21:30:00 Bleh Mar 27 21:30:03 Wont do anything either Mar 27 21:30:11 I've had condensation in my unit a lot. Mar 27 21:31:13 dark, try standard divx avi low bitrate (aim for about 400mb target file) Mar 27 21:31:22 if that works well, increase the bitrate Mar 27 21:31:25 experiment Mar 27 21:31:35 nothing apart from nokia converter is preset Mar 27 21:31:53 use your noggin :) Mar 27 21:32:22 * lcuk puts GeneralAntilles in an icebucket Mar 27 21:32:31 516-548px horizontal low-motion stuff works well in the 800-1200Kbps range Mar 27 21:32:34 It's hot here Mar 27 21:32:39 I should open the window Mar 27 21:32:44 * lcuk fills it with molten lead Mar 27 21:33:01 400x240 at around 1000-1400Kbps is guaranteed perfect playback at all motion levels. Mar 27 21:33:19 i did something daft earlier Mar 27 21:33:20 poor bucket.. Mar 27 21:33:48 i put a piece of card along the middle of my screen and split my screen into a pair of 3d planes Mar 27 21:33:56 strangely enough i could focus on it Mar 27 21:34:12 o.o Mar 27 21:34:13 400*480 per eye :) Mar 27 21:34:30 Witch! Mar 27 21:34:32 WITCH! Mar 27 21:34:32 actually kot, it was more like o|o Mar 27 21:34:36 Burn the witch! Mar 27 21:34:37 yeah.. Mar 27 21:34:44 Ni Mar 27 21:34:49 your eyes will hate you Mar 27 21:34:50 soon Mar 27 21:34:51 :) Mar 27 21:35:01 they hate me already i had to take off my bottle bottoms Mar 27 21:35:30 * KotCzarny doesn't use glasses since 2003 Mar 27 21:35:40 straight from the bottle Mar 27 21:36:09 eylaswer? or just gave up andused eye muscle training? Mar 27 21:36:18 or old chinese sand bag method? Mar 27 21:36:28 i just don't use them Mar 27 21:36:30 (glasses) Mar 27 21:36:31 ;) Mar 27 21:36:32 (thats actually something im gonna do) Mar 27 21:36:37 yeah Mar 27 21:36:38 are you focused tho Mar 27 21:36:47 i have heard about sand bag methos Mar 27 21:37:08 but it's only for + or - Mar 27 21:37:12 don't remember Mar 27 21:37:14 probably for + Mar 27 21:37:41 going to sleep with balanced bags (though nowadays it can use a strap) presses on the eyeballs to correct rugby ball short sighted ness for a few hours - enough to get through the day Mar 27 21:38:13 - is when lens are too flat anyway Mar 27 21:38:29 +- ? i know short and long sighted Mar 27 21:38:30 lcuk: Error: "-" is not a valid command. Mar 27 21:38:35 shortsighted is good for tablet users Mar 27 21:38:41 - is short sightness Mar 27 21:38:47 * lcuk is - Mar 27 21:38:53 VERY ------- Mar 27 21:39:00 there's a new motorolla cellphone with 300dpi display Mar 27 21:39:05 o.o Mar 27 21:39:06 can see the cells on the surface of his eye but not much besides Mar 27 21:39:16 hehe Mar 27 21:39:39 * lcuk can see individual blood cells pumping around eyes sometimes :) Mar 27 21:39:52 actually going through capiliaries Mar 27 21:40:23 how about noise in the visual field - like a tv screen or a digital camera in low light? Mar 27 21:40:39 Most people can, lcuk. Mar 27 21:40:55 it freaks me out Mar 27 21:40:58 life Mar 27 21:41:02 what you mean pup? Mar 27 21:41:02 I always try to focus on them Mar 27 21:41:04 then they piss me off. Mar 27 21:41:06 try living one day with eyes closed Mar 27 21:41:07 :) Mar 27 21:41:19 agree totally kot Mar 27 21:41:41 thats why i would never ever have laser treatment Mar 27 21:41:51 lcuk: like an analog television with no signal - that kind of noise Mar 27 21:41:52 WARNING: do not look into laser with remaining eye Mar 27 21:41:56 hmm Mar 27 21:42:01 that's not therapy Mar 27 21:42:03 curious if others notice that Mar 27 21:42:06 that's laser stupidity Mar 27 21:42:07 :> Mar 27 21:42:09 yer what about it? its snow - it doesnt send me batty Mar 27 21:42:11 A little, pupnik Mar 27 21:42:14 But it's not monochrome Mar 27 21:42:30 pupnik: black dots in the vis. field? Mar 27 21:42:39 it would be interesting to see the raw output from the retina, without all the magical signal processing and caching done by the visual cortex Mar 27 21:42:44 i get floaters occasionally, but not normally a bad signal Mar 27 21:42:51 Paavo, complete gibberish, I'm sure. Mar 27 21:43:10 paavo: google? Mar 27 21:43:19 i believe there was some work in that field Mar 27 21:43:25 with some success Mar 27 21:43:29 lcuk: I figured out how powerlaunch locks the screen....but I'm not sure I like it Mar 27 21:43:49 no KotCzarny let your eyes rest on a blank colored surface (light or dark) and see if you can detect hi frequency 'noise' Mar 27 21:43:53 powerlaunch? jga23 i hadnt tried looking, what is powerlaunch Mar 27 21:44:14 pupnik: yeah Mar 27 21:44:18 I notice the noise a lot in low light conditions. Mar 27 21:44:25 lcuk: its an app that replaces the powerbutton menu Mar 27 21:44:28 pupnik, you really need to turn off your vandergraf generator before sitting in a darkened room Mar 27 21:44:51 jga23, link please that would be interesting, ill see if i can boil it down if its source is open Mar 27 21:45:04 ill make it just a callable command so you can add it to the normal app menu Mar 27 21:45:52 https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=364 Mar 27 21:46:04 ta jga23 ;) Mar 27 21:50:01 hi Mar 27 21:53:22 lcuk: actually, I just was able to lock the screen, not the device... Mar 27 21:53:56 the screen is in /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts Mar 27 21:54:25 but it's not a full device lock(dim screen, lock keyboard, lock screen) Mar 27 21:55:05 its closer than we knew before :) Mar 27 21:55:46 true Mar 27 21:56:58 it doesn't help that my c++ is rusty... I'm coding in python Mar 27 21:57:54 thats ok, if we can get the code between us we should be able to get something running - im happy building the base app but know nothing about packaging or repos etc.. Mar 27 21:58:37 I need to figure out how to package an app as well Mar 27 21:58:55 I have a google reader app that I've had for months that I just need to package Mar 27 21:59:20 just seems like a lot of hassel to package an app Mar 27 21:59:54 well, that was fun i just managed to reboot my nit by reading somewhere in sys/devices.. Mar 27 22:00:11 its not once you are in the flow - it just touches multiple areas Mar 27 22:00:43 same as a windows app expects to put things in certain places - just those places are like a foreign language at the moment Mar 27 22:01:44 it's got to be tklock_mode_ind or platform_kb_lock for the dbus signal Mar 27 22:02:24 signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=tklock_mode_ind string "unlocked" Mar 27 22:05:53 well i know where is changed to tell us if its locked or not Mar 27 22:06:08 its /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state Mar 27 22:06:26 can you write to that to change it? Mar 27 22:06:44 oh, that's for closed/open Mar 27 22:06:44 i just tried.. Mar 27 22:07:11 no, my keyboard is out but device is locked = closed :) when unlocked its open Mar 27 22:07:39 my keyboard is out, device is locked = open Mar 27 22:09:18 hmm i must have caught it partial then it was reading diff a mo ago Mar 27 22:11:56 theres no documented list for all the dbus calls is htere? Mar 27 22:11:58 there* Mar 27 22:13:10 Don't think so. Mar 27 22:21:04 is there a lvm from the n800 os2008? Mar 27 22:28:06 ok, i can lock the keyboard :) ( thats step 1) /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0045/disable_kp (0=unlocked, 1=locked) Mar 27 22:29:13 hooray? Mar 27 22:29:17 lol Mar 27 22:29:18 dbus is for pussies anyway Mar 27 22:29:22 :) Mar 27 22:29:54 no its not, its just not clear where all the docs are Mar 27 22:29:56 yeah, the screen is /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts Mar 27 22:30:15 just need to dimm the screen Mar 27 22:30:26 rm_you knows all about that Mar 27 22:30:42 someone put all those tricks in one place, plz Mar 27 22:30:43 :) Mar 27 22:30:43 and turn off sound Mar 27 22:30:45 and camera Mar 27 22:30:49 and speakers Mar 27 22:31:03 ehhh, maybe we should stick with the dbus route Mar 27 22:31:03 and wireless and stop the puppies across the road from barking Mar 27 22:31:06 and we should be done Mar 27 22:31:18 i agree entirely, im just browsing around Mar 27 22:31:23 gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error) Mar 27 22:31:23 { gchar *ptr = MCE_DEVICE_LOCKED; mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); server->device_locked = TRUE; return TRUE; Mar 27 22:31:26 its good to poke in the deep dark corners sometimes Mar 27 22:31:31 that didn't paste well Mar 27 22:31:43 I found where powerlaunch locks Mar 27 22:31:49 mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); Mar 27 22:32:14 buenas noches everyone :) Mar 27 22:32:16 dbus_type_invalid ? lol Mar 27 22:32:20 damn dev-c++ wasnt bringing up any results specific for "lock".. Mar 27 22:32:47 gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error) Mar 27 22:33:03 anyone know what happened to the fbreader maemo repo ? Mar 27 22:33:13 it crashed and died Mar 27 22:33:19 heh Mar 27 22:33:28 its still avail from central though Mar 27 22:33:33 isnt it? Mar 27 22:34:12 lcuk, that for me ? Mar 27 22:34:32 yer - i thought i originally got it from maemo.org before i added the specific repo Mar 27 22:34:59 well I dunno, I'm just trying to apt-get install bzip2 and it fails miserably Mar 27 22:35:33 404 a bit earlier, and now 302 permanently moved Mar 27 22:36:17 yer, but the bzip is avail Mar 27 22:36:18 http://fbreader.org/maemo/pool/user/b/bzip2/libbz2-1.0_1.0.3-2_armel.deb Mar 27 22:36:53 yeah but that's the library Mar 27 22:37:18 yer i know, that means its more a cockup in their repo than a big problem Mar 27 22:37:37 oh, right Mar 27 22:38:02 tbh, it sounds like they may have rebuilt their server or restored from a backup or something Mar 27 22:38:43 where the hell am I gonna get bunzippy now :( Mar 27 22:39:26 if you install bzip2 from the deb wont apt know that its already installed and not fail miserably .. Mar 27 22:40:10 eh ? Mar 27 22:40:16 Well I don't have bzip installed Mar 27 22:41:16 hmm Mar 27 22:41:17 yes, so download it from the link i just provided Mar 27 22:41:35 install it manually (double click from the file manager) Mar 27 22:42:05 then run your other install and when it says "do i have bzip installed apt will say "yes" and you can continue... Mar 27 22:44:48 GEEEEEEEEESUS christ! I have just checked mibbit.com and that is WONDERFUL! Mar 27 22:45:22 what is it? Mar 27 22:45:27 hmmmm ircatwork.com Mar 27 22:45:53 knew it sounded familiar - mibbit its a web based ircclient Mar 27 22:45:56 pupnik: an ajax irc chat... that is way much easier for non-irc-knowers to join a channel like this one. Mar 27 22:46:13 hmm ircatwork.com used to look a lot simpler Mar 27 22:46:25 yer, recently changed to mibbit Mar 27 22:46:48 certainly sometime since december - i start it was old style, then recently they switched Mar 27 22:47:40 * lukeskywalker is looking for his father Mar 27 22:47:53 Hey people, can i suggest a project in here to hear what you think about it!? Mar 27 22:48:02 sure Mar 27 22:48:10 lcuk, dunno the magic behind that, but it worked, thanks Mar 27 22:48:18 why not, i use this place as my blog - so you can as well :) Mar 27 22:48:25 lol Mar 27 22:49:02 CrashandDie, :) no magic involved we just saved apt-get from having to search the internet for a list of files. you already had them installed on your computer (done manually) Mar 27 22:49:46 lcuk, well, the thing is, I only manually installed libbz2 Mar 27 22:49:47 Mibbit just brought me to this idea: imagine you are a dumb user who just bought the n800 or n810. You turn it on and there is a button on the screen saying "MAEMO CHAT". You press it and a chat window opens like a very very VERY simple IRC chat window so you can instantly start to chat.... what do you think? Mar 27 22:50:00 lcdd, which in my mind, is completely different than the bzip2 executable Mar 27 22:50:35 ahhh, well its voodoo Mar 27 22:50:57 lcuk, of course, bunzip2 didn't show up as an executable after installing libbz2, but I tried apting bzip2 again, and magic, it worked Mar 27 22:51:00 so yeah, that's magic Mar 27 22:51:12 cyberholic, it would be great. but nokia would have to change the default tableteer link Mar 27 22:51:22 and ifiak that has a forum Mar 27 22:51:43 or whatever the acronym is Mar 27 22:52:23 lcuk: but a chat has more value then a forum. In this channel are constantly an average of 150 people and on nokia-talk only about 5. But such an option would be very helpfull to people who start using the device. Mar 27 22:52:44 nokia could very easily right now convert the tableteer website to include an irc zone on the initial page (using mibbit like control) Mar 27 22:53:08 lcuk: exactly! That's what i think. Mar 27 22:53:25 Gnome used to have a dialog like that Mar 27 22:53:33 it sucked, big time Mar 27 22:53:36 lol Mar 27 22:53:38 but you shouldnt call it IRC or so because for ordinary users IRC is like ASCII or HEX..... weeeeeird ;) Mar 27 22:53:44 you got a ton of people who were like IS THIS THING ON? Mar 27 22:53:50 "welcome to nokia live support, how can i help you today" Mar 27 22:54:44 elb: yeah, that`s why you should be able to choose between "maemo channel" and "nokia channel" (that reminds me of paltalk were people were constantly asking "is my microfone on? Hello? Anybody can hear me? HELLLLOOO"? lol) Mar 27 22:54:45 wouldn't want to be on that channel.. Mar 27 22:55:22 I'm trying to remmber what exactly it was that had that dialog, gnome doesn't seem quite right Mar 27 22:55:27 yer im thinking the same - its a launch room. has anyone ever played "There" or any other mmorpg which has an induction area? Mar 27 22:55:32 glass: i would - to bring the masses to the advantages of the device. Even if i know that there would be trillions of "Italodance"-a-likes. Mar 27 22:55:41 but something had a right-up-front icon to click on that opened an IRC "client" which joined exactly one room Mar 27 22:55:52 AOL HELL Mar 27 22:56:00 N00B CENTRAL? Mar 27 22:56:03 elb: THATs what i am talking about. Mar 27 22:56:07 lcuk: lol! Mar 27 22:56:37 lcuk: exactly Mar 27 22:57:06 cyberholic, actually after speaking to some people and discussing the options, i think you should burn in hell, the idea will not work and you should unplug from the internet now for suggesting it :P:P:P (unless you are gonna personally moderate it) Mar 27 22:57:38 lcuk: have you ever heard of the IT-Crowd? Mar 27 22:57:38 we cannot have any more aol folks in here ;) Mar 27 22:57:44 yes Mar 27 22:57:54 Have you tried to turn it on and off again? Mar 27 22:57:59 *looooooooooooooool* Mar 27 22:58:16 lcuk: have you seen both seasons? Mar 27 22:58:17 -straightface- Mar 27 22:58:38 no, i saw enough that surprisingly i didnt like it Mar 27 22:58:53 really? I luved it. Mar 27 22:59:01 red dwarf is comedy, IT-Crowd seemed to try too hard Mar 27 22:59:35 who reads dailywtf? Mar 27 22:59:41 *ill google for red dwarf now" Mar 27 22:59:58 lcuk: sometimes Mar 27 23:00:04 when i'm bored on a train usually Mar 27 23:00:18 have you seen this attempt at a comic? Mar 27 23:00:34 manditary fun day - anyway, itcrows is just as crap Mar 27 23:01:08 (the comic is so bad, the best part of it is the photoshopped replacements in the comments after) Mar 27 23:02:22 i think i need to attempt some real code Mar 27 23:02:25 back later Mar 27 23:02:46 comic? well i prefer http://www.myextralife.com Mar 27 23:11:37 I want prism on my n810 :( Mar 27 23:12:31 usb? Mar 27 23:12:40 sdio ? Mar 27 23:13:52 crash: whats prism? Mar 27 23:14:51 cyberholic, the ability to create offline clones of online webapps Mar 27 23:14:57 cyberholic, gmail, stuff like that Mar 27 23:15:01 ahm Mar 27 23:15:08 ah, ok! Mar 27 23:15:12 prism is a wifi chipset too Mar 27 23:15:13 :> Mar 27 23:15:18 yeah, that too Mar 27 23:15:26 and its a glass surface Mar 27 23:15:32 not a surface Mar 27 23:15:44 shape Mar 27 23:15:49 ok a shaped piece of glass which reflects and reflacts light Mar 27 23:16:00 anyway, if you want prism, you have to options, install xulrunner, and then build prism atop of that Mar 27 23:16:22 the other option, would be to find a firefox3 arm port, and install the prism extension Mar 27 23:16:36 but my guess is, we're not about to find a firefox3 ARM port :( Mar 27 23:16:40 isnt there an opensource flash player Mar 27 23:16:51 i think so. Mar 27 23:17:21 but what does that have to do with prism? Mar 27 23:17:51 cyberholic, prism is based on xulrunner, xulrunner is based on gecko 1.9 Mar 27 23:18:17 cyberholic, xulrunner is basically a very stripped down version of firefox3 Mar 27 23:18:30 thnx! Mar 27 23:18:44 if you find me a .deb for FF3, I'll hug you ! Mar 27 23:19:05 Minefield has been available for forever, CrashandDie. Mar 27 23:19:12 minefield ? Mar 27 23:19:16 That doesn't stop it from sucking horribly on the tablets. Mar 27 23:19:40 GeneralAntilles, minefield ? Mar 27 23:20:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minefield_%28disambiguation%29 Mar 27 23:20:32 does a php socket generate a lot of traffic? Mar 27 23:20:44 php socket? Mar 27 23:20:55 sorry... my fault. ignore it! Mar 27 23:20:58 :) Mar 27 23:22:12 GeneralAntilles, hmm, thanks Mar 27 23:33:13 hi, I compiled under scratbox java native library exacly like on host, but after /lib/ld-2... --list mylib.so I got "error while loading shared libraries: mylib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. What is going on? Mar 27 23:33:43 ldconfig ? Mar 27 23:33:51 -Lyour_path ? Mar 27 23:36:05 KotCzarny: invalid option -- L Mar 27 23:36:19 erm. that's for ld/gcc Mar 27 23:39:09 KotCzarny: I don't understand Mar 27 23:40:06 nvm. then Mar 27 23:46:44 hey folks, anyone know if there is a directfb port for OS2008? Mar 28 00:05:29 hi Mar 28 00:05:44 hello Mar 28 00:06:39 woot, pylauncher Mar 28 00:11:31 Off topic, I'm trying to find out the limit to text files i'm trying to view with my phone. Any idea on how to figure this out? phone is a nokia 6085 and i'm trying to view the text with the builtin viewer and a java app Mar 28 00:11:38 :) Mar 28 00:11:55 phone? Mar 28 00:11:57 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 28 00:12:09 does it run symbian? Mar 28 00:12:22 yea, is there a universal limit to java apps and their data? Mar 28 00:12:33 probably stack size Mar 28 00:12:38 or some arbitrary limit Mar 28 00:12:47 or if app is written badly Mar 28 00:12:53 tank-man: hmm Mar 28 00:13:06 symbian s40 it seems Mar 28 00:13:08 tank-man: phone spesific limits of course Mar 28 00:13:18 tank-man: wait a sec i'll check something Mar 28 00:13:21 tank-man: does fexplorer run on it? Mar 28 00:13:37 or qreader? Mar 28 00:13:46 no Mar 28 00:13:46 i tried a java text reader that can read from the phone or microsd Mar 28 00:13:56 tank-man: 1mbyte jar limit Mar 28 00:14:01 if it has fileconnection api Mar 28 00:14:04 but doesnt display them cause it says its too big Mar 28 00:14:15 then i don't see why the app couldn't just read a part of the file Mar 28 00:14:18 tank-man: forget java, look for native apps Mar 28 00:14:27 KotCzarny: no native apps on s40 Mar 28 00:14:36 KotCzarny: it's not symbian, it's nokias own os Mar 28 00:14:53 * KotCzarny has s60 Mar 28 00:14:54 tank-man: find a better text viewer ;) Mar 28 00:14:58 or code one Mar 28 00:15:18 "Unfortunatly S40 aren't symbian phones, that's why we don't already support them. But good news: we will maybe support them in the future". Mar 28 00:15:20 :> Mar 28 00:15:51 guess i will just experiemnt with different sizes Mar 28 00:16:01 2015 is near future Mar 28 00:16:04 it's got 2mbytes of heap and 1 mbyte jar size limit Mar 28 00:16:12 tank-man: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6085 Mar 28 00:16:25 and fileconnection api Mar 28 00:16:34 writing a text viewer shouldn't take that long Mar 28 00:16:40 There is new PDF reader application for Nokia Series 40 devices and Sony Ericsson JP-6 JP-7 phones like K750i. Mar 28 00:16:42 i'd imagine there to be some decent ebook readers Mar 28 00:16:51 java though Mar 28 00:17:22 tank-man: the app you're using probably tries to read it all to memory in one go.. Mar 28 00:17:44 if shittily written, it will take 2-4x times the memory at that point Mar 28 00:17:52 how big files you managed to read? Mar 28 00:17:53 yeah. utf Mar 28 00:17:54 the app is under 64kb and the text is about 600kb Mar 28 00:17:54 :) Mar 28 00:18:23 should fit in 2mbyte heap ok.. Mar 28 00:19:21 but doesnt ... so i'm just reading the man page on split now ... Mar 28 00:20:16 http://www.dotsis.com/mobile_phone/showthread.php?t=50248 Mar 28 00:20:22 book reader inside Mar 28 00:20:50 tank-man: btw. does it have some web browser? Mar 28 00:21:12 i think so, but havent used it Mar 28 00:21:37 could be nice if it supported local links Mar 28 00:24:29 tank-man: http://tequilacat.org/dev/br/index-en.html Mar 28 00:24:33 tried this one? Mar 28 00:31:53 the fun stops. my osso-xterm broke :| Mar 28 00:32:02 you still have ssh Mar 28 00:32:03 :) Mar 28 00:32:08 bug 2619 apparently Mar 28 00:32:12 install aterm Mar 28 00:32:14 or anything Mar 28 01:17:49 man these sids are so cutting with the tablet electrostatic speakers Mar 28 01:18:37 bye Mar 28 01:19:51 :> Mar 28 01:20:02 you mean so good or so bad? Mar 28 01:20:47 good. there's just something hyperreal about looking at a tablet playing them Mar 28 01:20:59 hmm Mar 28 01:21:08 yout xmms-sid package is xomplete with xmms? Mar 28 01:21:13 or it's only sid plug? Mar 28 01:21:19 no you need 'free's xmms Mar 28 01:21:27 'free's ? Mar 28 01:21:27 he has a repo Mar 28 01:22:58 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&highlight=xmms xmms thread Mar 28 01:25:46 hmm Mar 28 01:25:49 not hildonized? Mar 28 01:25:59 what does that mean Mar 28 01:26:08 minimize -> poof Mar 28 01:26:13 yes Mar 28 01:26:18 you don't minimize xmms Mar 28 01:26:22 darn. Mar 28 01:26:32 it takes up no room Mar 28 01:26:33 someone should write simple hildonize-me script Mar 28 01:26:48 but it does interfere a bit Mar 28 01:27:03 so yes it should support minimize Mar 28 01:27:17 or integrate into status bar Mar 28 01:27:19 on minimize Mar 28 01:27:20 :> Mar 28 01:27:39 none of the hildon club are going to touch xmms Mar 28 01:27:48 heheh Mar 28 01:28:11 i thought xmms was a dead end even on desktop .. :) Mar 28 01:28:22 lcdd, it has it's uses.. Mar 28 01:28:22 ;) Mar 28 01:28:28 totgesagte leben laenger Mar 28 01:29:49 KotCzarny: i like it, but it got too buggy and nobody's touched it for years (btw, audacious is cool) Mar 28 01:30:22 'cool' is dependant on personal views Mar 28 01:30:23 :) Mar 28 01:31:14 well, assuming one likes xmms.. Mar 28 01:32:13 i dislike gtk1 file chooser Mar 28 01:32:25 but otherwise xmms suits me well Mar 28 01:33:12 i've heard minimizing isn't so difficult Mar 28 01:33:15 haven't done it myself Mar 28 01:33:23 i did it for one of my apps Mar 28 01:33:33 all it took was preparing .desktop file Mar 28 01:33:37 it is wise we look at older generation desktop applications for the best in class and see how well we can make those run rather than attempting to outstretch ourselves expecting a full modern desktop application to run flawlessly Mar 28 01:33:53 but i have heard it depends on setting x props Mar 28 01:34:14 i'm impressed this gtk1.2 stuff runs at all Mar 28 01:34:20 why not? Mar 28 01:34:26 it's quite stable Mar 28 01:34:42 i think xmms is the first gtk1.2 app built for the tablet Mar 28 01:34:47 not true Mar 28 01:34:48 :) Mar 28 01:35:07 no? Mar 28 01:35:12 what Mar 28 01:35:26 i have compiled other stuff as well Mar 28 01:35:36 for example mc Mar 28 01:35:39 not gtk1 Mar 28 01:35:40 but glib1 Mar 28 01:36:05 then i'll amend my statement to gtk1 app released for the tablet Mar 28 01:36:50 glib is not gtk :) Mar 28 01:36:53 my amule box went haywire.. Mar 28 01:37:01 lcdd: you can't have gtk without glib Mar 28 01:37:01 :) Mar 28 01:37:14 are you saying your denial was even more irrelevant? Mar 28 01:37:39 pupnik: i just don't remember what i have compiled Mar 28 01:38:48 i see IT as a regular linux box, with some weird libs here and ther Mar 28 01:39:00 but overall quite compatible Mar 28 01:40:12 right Mar 28 01:40:14 but Mar 28 01:40:30 between 2005 and end of 2007 i didn't see any gtk 1.2 apps Mar 28 01:40:35 that's all i'm saying Mar 28 01:40:40 hum Mar 28 01:41:10 i'm not saying it's impossible, just that i didn't know how to do it Mar 28 01:41:28 and nobody else did it Mar 28 01:42:31 * KotCzarny checks his /usr/bin tree Mar 28 01:42:36 now we need mikmod and a spc playe Mar 28 01:42:37 er Mar 28 01:42:38 ldd * |grep gtk-1 | wc -l Mar 28 01:42:44 2 Mar 28 01:42:45 :) Mar 28 01:42:53 i have 2 Mar 28 01:43:21 pupnik: for modules use uade Mar 28 01:43:22 gtk1.2 apps use different fonts than rest of the system and i've seen distributions in the past few years provide pretty bad defaults for them Mar 28 01:43:45 i think there was uade plugin for xmms too Mar 28 01:43:46 precisely because nobody cares :) Mar 28 01:43:47 yeah xmms wants microsoft arial Mar 28 01:48:15 load over 8, hum Mar 28 01:48:22 something eats my interrupts :/ Mar 28 01:51:27 Mmmmm, interrupts Mar 28 01:52:08 oom-killer to the rescue! Mar 28 01:52:14 thank you oom-killer! Mar 28 01:52:21 *music* Mar 28 01:52:38 total swap: 1.6gb Mar 28 01:52:44 free swap: 0kb Mar 28 01:53:01 how does it happened? Mar 28 01:53:07 that's a lot of swap for an IT Mar 28 01:53:20 nah, it's my amule box Mar 28 01:53:29 that's a bug Mar 28 01:53:30 amule? Mar 28 01:53:51 first time i see it going haywire like that though Mar 28 01:53:56 set resource limits next time Mar 28 01:54:05 resource limits are for wimps Mar 28 01:54:44 Out of memory: kill process 7783 (bash) score 118076 or a child Mar 28 01:54:46 hehe Mar 28 01:54:48 that's bound to happen sooner or later Mar 28 01:54:49 let's kill a child! Mar 28 01:57:12 ah, my first reboot loop. an excuse to reflash Mar 28 01:57:17 :> Mar 28 01:59:43 hmm Mar 28 01:59:50 Hi, anyone knows how to write a shell script that login to scratchbox and in scratchbox run another script? Thanks! Mar 28 02:00:04 pupnik, how about xfs with ttf support? Mar 28 02:00:14 that will solve gtk1 griefs Mar 28 02:00:33 and some of the apps that don't use freetype/gtk2 Mar 28 02:08:23 hmm Mar 28 02:16:46 hello Mar 28 02:17:08 does any one here know how to download a bin file on ubuntu Mar 28 02:17:18 I need it to flash my n800 Mar 28 02:17:22 o.o Mar 28 02:17:23 wget Mar 28 02:17:25 :) Mar 28 02:17:32 or curl Mar 28 02:17:45 firefox will do too Mar 28 02:18:25 I got the file on my desktop I need to install the flasher for the n800 Mar 28 02:18:54 chmod +x flasher Mar 28 02:18:56 done. Mar 28 02:19:37 chmod: missing operand after `+xflasher' Mar 28 02:19:43 thats what I get Mar 28 02:19:51 that's what you get with typos Mar 28 02:19:56 and wrong screen font Mar 28 02:20:09 and not using copy and paste Mar 28 02:20:39 chmod: cannot access `flasher': No such file or directory Mar 28 02:20:56 try hitting tab after flasher Mar 28 02:21:09 (and no, no space after it Mar 28 02:24:38 I still can't get it to work Mar 28 02:24:57 what is the problem? Mar 28 02:26:03 I've tried the chmod + x flasher a bunch of ways and it keeps telling me " No such file or directory" Mar 28 02:26:26 ok, what is the output of: ls fla* Mar 28 02:27:01 ls: fla*: No such file or directory Mar 28 02:27:06 ok Mar 28 02:27:18 so you need to be in the directory where you have saved it Mar 28 02:27:24 try: find . |grep flasher Mar 28 02:28:16 ./Desktop/flasher-3.0 Mar 28 02:28:25 do you need further help? Mar 28 02:28:36 or you will manage to do it? Mar 28 02:28:47 ya Mar 28 02:28:54 I need help Mar 28 02:28:57 ok Mar 28 02:29:00 I'm sorry I'm a noob Mar 28 02:29:00 cd Desktop Mar 28 02:29:09 chmod +x flasher-3.0 Mar 28 02:29:26 for running: ./flasher-3.0 --help Mar 28 02:30:28 ryan@ryan-laptop:~/Desktop$ for running: ./flasher-3.0 --help Mar 28 02:30:33 ... Mar 28 02:30:42 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `./flasher-3.0' Mar 28 02:31:02 part up to ':' was my comment Mar 28 02:31:41 http://pupnik.de/Blues_Muz-Party.sid love this song Mar 28 02:32:05 pupnik: i'm in a packaging mood today Mar 28 02:32:07 beware Mar 28 02:32:08 ;) Mar 28 02:32:13 lol Mar 28 02:32:16 yaay Mar 28 02:32:42 do I do this next? --set-root-device Mar 28 02:32:54 d91w: nope, read some howto Mar 28 02:33:04 you will be safer that way Mar 28 02:33:31 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ Mar 28 02:33:36 this one for example Mar 28 02:34:22 I was there but I'm running my pc on ubuntu so I need to load it to my pc Mar 28 02:34:32 before I can flash the n800 Mar 28 02:35:08 sorry, i don't understand how's that related to flashing Mar 28 02:35:28 o.o Mar 28 02:46:13 i'm about to partition the internal memory. is there a minimum recommended size for the fat32 part? Mar 28 02:46:21 nope Mar 28 02:46:39 but keep in mind Mar 28 02:46:47 some apps may want to put files there Mar 28 02:47:14 also where does apt-get download temporarily? Mar 28 02:47:32 don't know Mar 28 02:47:37 find out Mar 28 02:47:43 it may save you a hair or two Mar 28 02:47:44 :) Mar 28 02:47:54 you can get away with 10mb Mar 28 02:47:57 or less Mar 28 02:55:59 this is fucked up! I go visit my router last night (I'm letting a friend borrow), and my n800 connects to it just fine now Mar 28 02:56:30 it was working....then quit working....and is now working again for no good fuckin' reason....I wished I had my laptop with me to capture a packet log Mar 28 02:57:47 i hear the wifi power saving has caused problems with some access points Mar 28 02:57:55 really? Mar 28 02:58:02 just rumors Mar 28 02:58:13 I haven't enabled or disabled any power saving stuff....is there some way to override that? Mar 28 02:58:31 it has been causing me LOTS of problems Mar 28 02:58:32 i've never had trouble so far. but it's something to try Mar 28 02:58:41 you can change those in the connection manager Mar 28 02:58:50 I will trade off or sell my N800 as soon as I can Mar 28 02:58:54 because this shit it too much for me to deal with Mar 28 02:59:09 I keep it on full power all the time Mar 28 02:59:36 I saw that stupid setting....why the hell that setting would affect the entire system is beyond me Mar 28 02:59:40 it's pebcak related **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 28 02:59:57 2008