**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 30 02:59:56 2008 Mar 30 03:00:07 _probably_ missing, as in I probably left something out that I don't remember Mar 30 03:00:18 ok Mar 30 03:03:20 Navi, says unrecognized option '-vo' Mar 30 03:03:33 Probably should have been -vc and -ac. Mar 30 03:03:37 ok Mar 30 03:03:40 * Brains doesn't use it though. Mar 30 03:03:47 (mencoder uses ac and vc.) Mar 30 03:03:53 sorry, -vcodec Mar 30 03:04:16 -vcodec and -acodec Mar 30 03:04:32 ok Mar 30 03:04:44 I don't like mencoder's documentation very much Mar 30 03:04:48 only reason I don't use it Mar 30 03:04:49 now, Unknown encoder 'lame' Mar 30 03:04:57 [21:56:32] oh right, libmp3lame Mar 30 03:05:11 same deal Mar 30 03:05:17 have lame installed? Mar 30 03:05:26 your ffmpeg built with lame enabled? Mar 30 03:05:33 Navi, not sure Mar 30 03:06:51 ffmpeg -formats Mar 30 03:07:06 This first try at a tablet-encode run (--770, default everything else) isn't too bad at all... Mar 30 03:08:00 tablet-encode just uses mencoder, doesn't it? Mar 30 03:09:02 I believe so, yeah. I'm mostly using it for the existing presets/options... Like --770. Mar 30 03:09:17 I have aliases Mar 30 03:09:19 :D Mar 30 03:11:04 Which only works if you know what the desired settings are... Mar 30 03:11:36 well, I do >_> Mar 30 03:12:10 Last I read, tablet-encode's profile settings are designed for media player (not to confuse with mplayer) Mar 30 03:12:14 navi, why do i get the feeling you are goin "nerrr enrrrrr" at your screen right now? Mar 30 03:12:20 lol Mar 30 03:12:27 lcuk, hehe Mar 30 03:12:39 If anything, I'd be going "Hey! Listen!" Mar 30 03:13:08 After that first test run (gee, it worked that time), I am running it again with the mplayer preset. If I like the output, I'll snag the options from the code. Mar 30 03:13:31 It has an mplayer preset now? Woo Mar 30 03:14:03 btw, is there a way to make the normal media player play .flac, or will i have to use mplayer for that? Mar 30 03:14:06 brains, thats basically it - different people have different favorites. some people put up with glitches in a low bitrate encode, others make different compromises, just pick something which works and adjust it till you are happy Mar 30 03:14:06 "They're certainly pushed as high as they can be. v2.18 re-introduces the "mplayer" preset which really pushes the envelope (and has a higher bitrate than most TV episodes you can find on the *cough* Internet)." Mar 30 03:14:29 lcuk: Yep, already in progress. Mar 30 03:14:59 yeah, mplayer, good stuff Mar 30 03:15:49 * Brains hasn't moved to tackle FLAC yet... But that is what his music is ripped as. (N810 NFS mounting the home server... Gotta love the teeny tablet with a terabyte backing it.) Mar 30 03:16:09 Heh Mar 30 03:16:20 I use mpd to play my flacs Mar 30 03:17:25 Hey look, someone noticed the entire channel earlier Mar 30 03:17:40 ? Mar 30 03:17:47 Brains, is it easy to mount a (or a few) samba shares to the n800? Mar 30 03:18:16 Fenix-Dark: Dunno, haven't looked at samba on the N8x0s... NFS was trivial though... Mar 30 03:18:40 Fenix-Dark, dunno. The N800 detects the windows file shares on my network Mar 30 03:18:54 hmm, unhildonized app area ix 720x430 Mar 30 03:18:58 Navi, automatically? Mar 30 03:19:06 I certainly didn't configure it Mar 30 03:19:11 cool Mar 30 03:21:40 Anybody happen to know if there are any issues with setting up the SDK under amd64 machines? I seem to recall hearing something about that but I can't find mention of where I heard that in my notes. Mar 30 03:25:28 hrm Mar 30 03:25:50 i see my samba shares, but it didnt ask for a username/pass, and it shows the shares as being empty Mar 30 03:58:07 heya, is gcc 4.2 (or something more recent than the 3.4.4 2005 special) available anywhere by chance? Mar 30 03:58:16 yes Mar 30 03:58:35 http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm Mar 30 03:59:18 mmm, any debs available? Mar 30 03:59:25 probably Mar 30 03:59:29 I guess it doesn't much matter, I can just symlink Mar 30 03:59:31 * vlad_ asks google Mar 30 04:00:46 http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ Mar 30 04:00:58 here you will probably have them packaged for scratchbox Mar 30 04:01:26 oh hey, yeah, just figured out that 'scratchbox-toolchain' is what I was looking for Mar 30 04:01:29 awesome, thank you! Mar 30 04:01:47 let me know how it went Mar 30 04:01:55 i'm thinking about gcc 4.x too Mar 30 04:01:56 :) Mar 30 04:04:24 will do Mar 30 04:04:54 we have some code that gcc 3.4.4 utterly fails on, generates multiple labels with the same name in the assembly output with -O2 Mar 30 04:05:10 what about other -O levels? Mar 30 04:05:14 works with -Os Mar 30 04:05:25 :) Mar 30 04:05:28 but looks like my apt repos were all set up, so just installing scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-{arm6,i486} grabs the right things Mar 30 04:52:01 hi guys Mar 30 04:54:54 italodance: Hi. I think everyone is lurking in here. I came to see about audio apps - timidity, hydrogen etc. Mar 30 04:56:17 hi Mar 30 04:56:40 i still cant seem to figure out how i'm supposed to enter a user name and password to samba shares on my n800 in os2008, anyone care to enlighten me? Mar 30 04:59:01 Fenix-Dark: sorry, I can't help. What are you using as the samba client? the file manager? Mar 30 04:59:27 curl_e, i'm trying to use the file manager Mar 30 04:59:57 it shows the computer with the samba shares, and it lists all of the samba shares, but it shows them as being empty, which they are not, but it didnt ask for any user name or password Mar 30 05:05:42 argh, I am a scratchbox newb Mar 30 05:05:52 is there any way to just swap the compiler for the existing CHINOOK_ARMEL target? Mar 30 05:06:13 if I try sb-conf st -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6, sb-conf yells at me that target CHINOOK_ARMEL already exists Mar 30 05:06:24 add new target Mar 30 05:06:34 use sb-menu Mar 30 05:06:35 :) Mar 30 05:06:53 hmm Mar 30 05:07:01 will adding a new target keep the rest of my setup intact? Mar 30 05:07:11 or if you want to switch compiler only you can reconfigure target Mar 30 05:07:16 yup Mar 30 05:07:25 that's the reason behind scratchbox Mar 30 05:07:35 add new target/nothing changes for old Mar 30 05:07:59 yeah, but I mean I want to add a new target that uses the same on-disk files as the old, just a different compiler Mar 30 05:08:24 then you will need rootstrap too, probably Mar 30 05:08:45 i think swapping compiler is easier Mar 30 05:08:47 let's see Mar 30 05:08:52 * KotCzarny is sb n00b too Mar 30 05:09:37 hm, I may have broken things! let's see Mar 30 05:09:52 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/armel/ Mar 30 05:09:58 rootstraps here Mar 30 05:10:09 and there Mar 30 05:10:10 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/i386/ Mar 30 05:19:21 hrm Mar 30 05:19:24 I think this worked? Mar 30 05:19:33 which one? Mar 30 05:19:47 [sbox-m: ~] > gcc -v Mar 30 05:19:50 gcc version 4.2.1 (CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51) Mar 30 05:19:50 :) Mar 30 05:20:10 i'm downloading rootstrap still Mar 30 05:20:22 I didn't tell it to install a rootstrap Mar 30 05:20:27 or install any files etc. Mar 30 05:20:35 since I already had an existing target set up Mar 30 05:20:51 i prefer new target Mar 30 05:42:23 hrm, spoke too soon Mar 30 05:42:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt Mar 30 05:42:36 this one is helpfull Mar 30 05:42:41 :) Mar 30 05:42:54 any binary that I build, when I try to run it.. ./foo: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument Mar 30 05:42:54 point 3.2 Mar 30 05:43:10 hum Mar 30 05:43:21 mismatched libs? Mar 30 05:44:07 oh, I may have had the wrong devkits installed Mar 30 05:45:27 yep, all fixed looks like Mar 30 05:52:43 almost all fixed Mar 30 05:52:48 this new gcc seems wonky Mar 30 05:57:33 hmm Mar 30 05:57:55 how have you solved that 'invalid argument' error? Mar 30 05:58:18 I sb-conf in -c -e -F Mar 30 05:58:22 (install clibrary, etc, fakeroot) Mar 30 05:58:29 hmm Mar 30 05:58:39 but I installed the gcc toolchain from whatever repo I had in here Mar 30 05:58:54 I'm grabbing the toolchain deb from the scratchbox.org url you gave me Mar 30 06:03:03 hm, yeah, I had the main scratchbox repo, that should be valid Mar 30 06:03:24 but the gcc is showing that it still has a bug that was fixed in gcc 4.1 Mar 30 06:03:25 i have installed gcc from debian.org Mar 30 06:03:26 :) Mar 30 06:03:47 and it's also showing weirdness, like that it doesn't follow the c++ standard for temporary object destructor order Mar 30 06:03:52 which is pretty broken Mar 30 06:04:14 Gentlemen, does anyone have a maemo sdk installation where they can run stuff on a desktop machine and see messages from hildon-navigator? Mar 30 06:11:45 ah! the compiler form the unofficial dir seems to work Mar 30 06:13:15 .. maybe Mar 30 06:13:16 sigh Mar 30 06:13:21 :) Mar 30 06:19:33 Dear All, Pls tell me the way of unstalling list fo package in a file using rpm command? Eg I ahev tried rpm -e --nodeps rpm? Mar 30 06:20:33 you can try: for each in `cat package_list_file`; do rpm -e --nodeps $each; done Mar 30 06:21:17 rpm -e --nodeps `cat package_list_file` should work too Mar 30 06:21:35 i don't know rpm :) Mar 30 06:25:18 btw, does anyone know some small, x86_64 linux livecd? something like systemrescuecd, but with x86_64 kernel Mar 30 06:31:31 maybe I need to upgrade my entire scratchbox install Mar 30 06:31:33 what could go wrong? Mar 30 06:32:50 mismatched libs Mar 30 06:32:52 my guess Mar 30 06:32:59 i can't compile mc Mar 30 06:34:09 this time because of libglib2 barfing with the same error Mar 30 06:34:38 could be, though that doesn't make sense Mar 30 06:34:45 the ABI is still the same Mar 30 06:34:50 hmm Mar 30 06:35:11 then why we had this error with libc earlier? Mar 30 06:35:36 not sure Mar 30 06:35:41 maybe libc wasn't installed at all? Mar 30 06:35:54 gcc wouldn't run then Mar 30 06:35:59 true Mar 30 06:36:24 I should try going back to the old compiler, see if things still cause problems Mar 30 06:36:42 i have luckily created new target Mar 30 06:36:43 :> Mar 30 06:36:48 yeah yeah :p Mar 30 06:38:35 vlad_: I think it *should* work if you give sb-conf -c "the finger" (-f) ;) Mar 30 06:39:36 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 Mar 30 06:39:38 hu Mar 30 06:39:39 m Mar 30 06:41:28 hmm Mar 30 06:41:37 i think i should use qemu-cvs Mar 30 06:41:43 http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2007-October/000351.html Mar 30 06:52:16 :D Mar 30 06:52:31 xmms can play only with x-term? Mar 30 06:52:47 no Mar 30 06:54:14 KotCzarny but it hadn't any icon on my menu>? Mar 30 06:55:10 i installed http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/xmms_1.2.10+20070601-1-maemo.2.n800_armel.deb Mar 30 06:56:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 Mar 30 06:57:11 i know but dud u installed? Mar 30 06:57:21 did u installed it? Mar 30 06:57:30 i compiled my own version Mar 30 06:57:38 and read that thread Mar 30 06:57:45 there are answers to your questions Mar 30 06:57:52 ok Mar 30 06:58:22 just what's ur version? Mar 30 06:59:00 1.2.11 Mar 30 07:22:55 ok i called to the official nokia house in iran and told them about my problem they will help me and will say to the Nokia! Mar 30 07:22:57 :D Mar 30 08:01:39 hmm Mar 30 08:02:01 i think i have found a way to bring back windows :> Mar 30 08:02:14 those not-hildonized-and-minimized Mar 30 08:02:16 :> Mar 30 08:41:15 KotCzarny, I see you changed your signature at ITT lol :p :D :) Mar 30 08:41:39 hello qwerty12 morning :D Mar 30 08:41:50 Hello Italodance :) Mar 30 08:50:11 argh Mar 30 09:04:20 Morning, all Mar 30 09:04:55 Morning Mar 30 09:04:59 * qwerty12 yawns Mar 30 09:06:20 anyone familiar with pygtk? Mar 30 11:08:17 umm n95 has wlan? Mar 30 11:08:28 yes Mar 30 11:08:45 damn it Mar 30 11:09:04 whats there to damn Mar 30 11:09:05 which nokia phones has wireless? Mar 30 11:09:11 quite many Mar 30 11:09:36 i thought only internet tablet for nokia Mar 30 11:10:01 Italodance: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/matrix_wlan_1.html Mar 30 11:10:08 then you're so out of loop it's not even funny Mar 30 11:10:24 hehe yes Mar 30 11:10:25 lol Mar 30 11:10:32 tablet is very different from other nokia products though Mar 30 11:10:54 it's not a phone, and the wlan phones run symbian Mar 30 11:11:13 yes tablet is a pocket laptop Mar 30 11:13:37 http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N800 Mar 30 11:13:38 :D Mar 30 11:16:35 glass Mar 30 11:16:46 do u have FBReader? Mar 30 11:17:00 on my 770 Mar 30 11:17:29 can it read pdf files? Mar 30 11:17:40 well i couldn't read on my n800 !??? Mar 30 11:18:18 dunno Mar 30 11:18:58 ok Mar 30 11:32:10 Italodance, fbreader does not support pdf Mar 30 11:39:24 pdf is dog barf Mar 30 11:40:58 postscript around 1991 wasn't so bad Mar 30 11:41:16 hi there Mar 30 11:41:35 has someone here managed to use scratchbox on a x86_64 arch ? Mar 30 11:49:15 webustany: via vmplayer yes Mar 30 11:49:23 I did not try the other ways Mar 30 11:49:58 keesj: hmmm, thanks for the answer but unfortunately I'm running a very recent kernel, not supported by vmware yet Mar 30 12:04:26 webustany: use the normal instructions but do 'setarch i386 ./installer.sh' at the start. Mar 30 12:04:31 It then all works fine. Mar 30 12:04:49 Jaffa: at the start of what ? Mar 30 12:05:34 The install process of the Maemo SDK Mar 30 12:06:19 ok, and that will work with a 64 bits kernel Mar 30 12:06:28 Jaffa: thanks for the tip, I'm gonna try that Mar 30 12:06:42 See section 2.1 of http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/INSTALL.txt, but instead of doing sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh do sudo setarch i386 ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh Mar 30 12:06:57 Works for me with no 32-bit chroot Mar 30 12:07:24 Jaffa: OK, you're using debian or ubuntu I assume Mar 30 12:09:06 Ubuntu Feisty Mar 30 12:10:08 Jaffa: I'll need a changeroot anyway since I run fedora, but at least I know what chroot to install Mar 30 12:16:26 Install script's supposed to work on non-Debian-based systems AIUI Mar 30 12:25:07 how I go about installing the maemo hackers repo in scratchbox ? I've added it to the /etc/apt/sources.list, but I don't have gpg installed, so it refuses to access it Mar 30 12:54:11 crashanddie: isn't there an install file for it ? Mar 30 12:54:22 on http://www.gronmayer.com/it Mar 30 13:33:37 hmm, maemo-launcher is constantly eating 100% of my cpu, I don't know why Mar 30 13:34:21 webustany: depends on the program it launched Mar 30 13:34:36 you can try getting more information by launching the terminal and run `top' Mar 30 13:35:45 aquatix: hmm good guess, actually it's modest eating all my cpu Mar 30 13:36:59 ah ah, now it's that stupid crawler :) Mar 30 13:37:08 though it's run with -c /home/user/MyDocs Mar 30 13:37:26 and -n Mar 30 13:42:32 I'm starting a depression, it's on my to do list Mar 30 13:44:44 crashanddie: still on your repo problem ? Mar 30 13:45:09 not a repo problem Mar 30 13:45:49 dependency issues Mar 30 13:46:30 crashanddie: can you explain more in detail ? Mar 30 13:47:21 webustany, I'm trying to get commoncpp2 to compile with all its dependencies, but it needs libgnutls, which exists, but its dependencies aren't there, etc, etc Mar 30 13:48:08 crashanddie: I see... libgnutls is in some repo right ? Mar 30 13:48:15 maemo extras maybe... Mar 30 13:48:18 don't remember Mar 30 13:50:12 found it Mar 30 13:50:22 extra-devel Mar 30 14:03:09 Ok, so I managed to build commoncpp2, finally, perfectly working and everything :) Mar 30 14:03:26 crashanddie: you want to compile apps directly on your target ? Mar 30 14:03:52 webustany, I'm working in scratchbox Mar 30 14:03:58 crashanddie: ah ok :) Mar 30 14:10:53 is it a 100% necessary to build both the x86 and armel versions of a package ? Mar 30 14:13:55 crashanddie, not necessary at all Mar 30 14:14:25 johnx, because some dependencies aren't available in the x86 version ... Mar 30 14:14:43 I've never built an x86 package Mar 30 14:14:49 (in scratchbox) Mar 30 14:14:51 fair enough then Mar 30 14:15:58 johnx, also, I've noticed a lot of packages have maemo in their names, is it a bad thing if I don't respect that ? Mar 30 14:16:53 From what I understand, they just use it as a part of the version string to differentiate it from a non-maemo build of the same package Mar 30 14:17:07 I'm not 100% sure on that though... Mar 30 14:18:14 johnx, yeah, but for example, libs are not maemo dependent, it's just compiled for armel, which is specific enough Mar 30 14:18:41 well, I'll see, if something goes awry, they'll scream I guess Mar 30 14:39:00 not really related to the channel topic but is sc[1;3Chema required for writing into a new path in gconf tree ? Mar 30 14:39:41 sc[1;3Chema ? Mar 30 14:40:59 schema I assume? Mar 30 14:41:31 yep. schema Mar 30 14:42:52 eg myapp.schemas file. wondering if its necessery or not.. few tutorials i went thru didnt mention anything either way - just how to read/write into gconf Mar 30 14:46:27 johnx, do you now how long it usually takes before seeing the changes on the repo ? After upload I mean ? Mar 30 14:46:42 no idea about uploading to the repo... Mar 30 14:48:08 ah, was your question about x86 packages with regards to for uploading something? Hmm, I'm not sure about that, then... Mar 30 14:48:14 hope I haven't steered you wrong... Mar 30 14:49:36 johnx, lol Mar 30 14:49:41 johnx, yeah, sorta :P Mar 30 14:49:50 sorry :( Mar 30 14:49:57 heh Mar 30 14:50:16 well, anyway, I'm not the first, tons of packages that are missing from x86 Mar 30 14:50:36 though if the deps aren't there to build the x86 package I'm not sure what you're supposed to do about it... Mar 30 14:51:05 like I said, I'll start doing it if I ever get around it Mar 30 14:52:05 oooh, midori for OS2008. neat. :D Mar 30 14:52:39 It's a crapgasm compared to MicroB right now. Mar 30 14:53:05 interesting Mar 30 14:53:12 I have on test I really need to try though Mar 30 14:54:30 and IMNSO, webkit has a lot more potential than gecko in the embedded space... Mar 30 14:55:23 +H Mar 30 14:55:24 aquatix: Error: "H" is not a valid command. Mar 30 14:55:31 dtahtbot: shut it ;) Mar 30 14:55:33 aquatix: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. Mar 30 14:55:37 ... Mar 30 14:55:39 ahahaha Mar 30 14:55:47 stupid bot :) Mar 30 14:55:59 you shore showed it though... :D Mar 30 14:56:16 Probably, but potential takes work. Mar 30 14:56:18 johnx, the problem with microb was that it lacks NIT-specific optimizations Mar 30 14:57:20 Navi: NIT? Mar 30 14:57:25 when I was last running browser benches, the nightly xulrunner ran better than webkit did Mar 30 14:57:32 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't webkit smaller then gecko to begin with? Mar 30 14:57:38 * Jaffa still gets impressed with some of the features on Mobile Safari to take advantage of zooming in with knowledge of the page's semantic structure. Mar 30 14:58:05 Less of a need on 800x480, admittedly Mar 30 14:58:11 Gecko had old memory issues to deal with; don't know if they're still around Mar 30 14:58:38 aquatix, nokia internet tablet Mar 30 14:58:48 oh duh :) Mar 30 14:59:10 I dislike old memories Mar 30 14:59:42 keesj, let me tell you about our amnesia program then, for three easy payments of... Mar 30 14:59:58 GeneralAntilles, ah, curiosity satisfied. Google maps "feels" faster to me under midori (or epiphany-webkit) than microb already Mar 30 15:00:05 the best mobile browser i have used so far is webkit on my n95. in second place is microb ;) Mar 30 15:00:09 :p Mar 30 15:00:25 both the nightly xulrunner and the current libwebkit in the repos (which happen to be a bit out of date) are snappy on the N8X0 though Mar 30 15:00:52 The Gecko build in MicroB is old. Mar 30 15:00:59 Hopefully Diablo will rectify thatt. Mar 30 15:01:00 wasn't opera a little faster on the n800? Mar 30 15:01:13 johnx, in terms of script execution speed, xulrunner raped the unoptimized webkit javascript core. Mar 30 15:01:22 A little without the CPU boost, but it didn't work with anything. Mar 30 15:01:43 keesj, yes. some people liked it, others like microb better. Mar 30 15:02:01 it all comes down to what sites you visit and what you value in a mobile browser Mar 30 15:02:27 like is an other thing :p . I like the microbs because they are open source. Mar 30 15:02:47 * keesj was talking aboud speed Mar 30 15:02:47 microbes surf nicely Mar 30 15:02:51 keesj: then give me the source of tablet-browser-ui :P Mar 30 15:02:58 :) Mar 30 15:03:28 microb has horrible performance. Mar 30 15:03:29 actually, that's the other reason I'm excited to see a hildonized midori. :D Mar 30 15:04:00 ah hildonized.. compiled midori a while back and it was quite unusable ... Mar 30 15:04:11 johnx, I want to see alp and co. do a few more optimizations (especially to the javascript core) first Mar 30 15:04:54 Navi, definitely, but the fact that it works so well already makes me very happy Mar 30 15:05:03 Not as well as xulrunner :) Mar 30 15:05:25 which is hildonized and launching nicely from a menu? :P Mar 30 15:05:40 No, but neither is libwebkit Mar 30 15:05:43 Why the hell did they close tablet-browser, anyway? Mar 30 15:05:50 GeneralAntilles, fear Mar 30 15:06:20 GeneralAntilles: nokias new policy to interact better with the oss community :P Mar 30 15:06:42 xulrunner's script execution speed was half the time of webkit's, which was a fourth of the time of microb's Mar 30 15:06:50 O_o Mar 30 15:06:52 ahaha Mar 30 15:07:05 wow Mar 30 15:07:18 no small wonder google maps is sooo painfully slow in microb Mar 30 15:08:04 Still doesn't get near the times of desktops, but I don't expect that Mar 30 15:08:30 yeah, but it's the difference between unusable and usable Mar 30 15:08:39 hehe well ff3/webkit on n8x0 could beat ff2 on the desktop :P Mar 30 15:08:57 :) Mar 30 15:09:12 i thought microb already used the ff3 engine? [gecko 1.9] Mar 30 15:09:21 aquatix: very old snapshot Mar 30 15:09:31 yeah, i noticed Mar 30 15:09:36 missing lots of optimization :) Mar 30 15:09:40 Fx3 beta 4 on my laptop zips Mar 30 15:09:54 http://apple2history.org/history/ah03.html Mar 30 15:09:55 real hacker Mar 30 15:09:57 An interesting bit of trivia about Wozniak's Integer BASIC was that he never had an assembly language source file for it. He wrote it in machine language, assembling it by hand on paper: Mar 30 15:10:27 hmm firefox 3 still lacks rendering speed and feels sluggish here - js perfomance is nice though ;) Mar 30 15:10:39 I'd love to have gmail being snappy Mar 30 15:10:46 Modest. Mar 30 15:11:04 yeah well I've never been a big fan of email clients Mar 30 15:11:43 I might be (and probably am) plain wrong, but I always have this sense of limitation Mar 30 15:11:51 ah that reminds me: is the search in modest working for anyone or should I file a bug? Mar 30 15:12:14 I want me email to be on the laptop I work on, as well as the desktop I'm going to, as well as my IT Mar 30 15:12:33 I don't want to have to wait for it to come in, or be stuck on one device that stole it from the others, etc Mar 30 15:12:40 IMAP Mar 30 15:12:47 ah, speaking of Modest, does any of you know why it almost never marks my email as `read' when i have read it from imap? Mar 30 15:12:48 IMAP is plenty slow Mar 30 15:12:59 imap is nice Mar 30 15:13:12 modest has gotten *a lot* faster Mar 30 15:13:48 Search doesn't seem to do anything for me, johnx. Mar 30 15:14:01 Hrm Mar 30 15:14:07 GeneralAntilles, do you use modest with gmail ? Mar 30 15:14:09 I can't find the phone with my spare N800 battery in it Mar 30 15:14:40 I use modest with gmail/imap Mar 30 15:14:49 Navi, that's not your spare N800 battery, that's the battery of your phone you're using because your n800 one ran out :P Mar 30 15:14:52 plenty fast, and marks things read Mar 30 15:14:57 hmm Mar 30 15:14:59 crashanddie, I dont use that phone Mar 30 15:15:03 ok, lemme give it a try Mar 30 15:15:05 interesting , /me just dicovered that the "nokia" serial was documented http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_KernelCompilation/#dd110018d2a5069fe5f69e45ed6335fc Mar 30 15:15:06 (again) Mar 30 15:15:14 It's just in there 'cuz I need it to charge the battery Mar 30 15:15:23 I wonder where to get some kind of adapter Mar 30 15:16:07 johnx: hm, i use the weekly's, but it doesn't generally mark email read on my imaps server Mar 30 15:16:20 keesj, you'd have to build one. Mar 30 15:16:23 all I can say is that it "works for me" Mar 30 15:16:27 Or break into a service center and steal one. Mar 30 15:16:30 johnx: ok :) Mar 30 15:16:45 * aquatix wil remove the account and re-add it Mar 30 15:16:49 I will go for the easy sollution Mar 30 15:16:58 Breaking in and stealing one? :P Mar 30 15:17:15 off course Mar 30 15:19:10 is should have studied fine mechanics like my parents would have liked, instead I wanted to study AI and ended up in IT Mar 30 15:20:02 my parents wanted me to be a doctor, or a lawyer Mar 30 15:20:09 oh the shame Mar 30 15:20:16 :D Mar 30 15:20:23 Instead you burned up like a piggy or a bbq? Mar 30 15:20:28