**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 31 03:00:02 2008 Mar 31 03:01:26 Well, maemo.org and tablets-dev.nokia.com are back up. :) Mar 31 03:23:22 Ooh, mytube is cool now Mar 31 03:30:23 heh I hope it works better than youtube in microb Mar 31 03:30:49 of course :P Mar 31 03:31:33 I'm pretty surprised that the web browser plugin can't seem to keep up with youtube-resolution flvs Mar 31 03:38:27 Flash sucks Mar 31 03:56:56 boot from mmc and flash works 100% Mar 31 03:57:11 cpu usage seems like 80-90% during playback Mar 31 03:57:17 from the web browser Mar 31 03:58:09 'top' shows it using 60% Mar 31 04:36:43 what allows me to sftp into my tablet? Mar 31 04:36:52 ssh-server Mar 31 04:38:23 On my n800, I rebooted it with the power-button and when it came back up my ssh sessions where active where I left off!?> Mar 31 04:39:03 hrm Mar 31 04:39:08 can't connect to it Mar 31 04:39:24 try regular ssh first Mar 31 04:39:31 did Mar 31 04:39:33 i ssh into it Mar 31 04:39:55 then you're doing something wrong Mar 31 04:39:57 cLin: I have dropbbear running on n800 Mar 31 04:40:05 fe. using wrong user name Mar 31 04:40:06 hrm Mar 31 04:40:07 :) Mar 31 04:40:09 hold on Mar 31 04:40:27 is there a way to find out the ip of the tablet Mar 31 04:40:35 ifconfig Mar 31 04:41:20 not found Mar 31 04:41:25 /sbin/ifconfig Mar 31 04:41:29 or /sbin/ifconfig if user Mar 31 04:42:31 no wonder Mar 31 04:42:34 it changed ip for some reason Mar 31 04:42:40 life Mar 31 04:43:02 can you control your dhcpd? Mar 31 04:43:02 :) Mar 31 04:43:25 ? Mar 31 04:43:36 you have on on your network, i presume? Mar 31 04:43:40 *one Mar 31 04:43:52 i dont even know what it is Mar 31 04:43:56 lol Mar 31 04:43:58 nice. Mar 31 04:44:00 :) Mar 31 04:44:01 :( Mar 31 04:44:21 it's the magic service that gives ips to your machines Mar 31 04:44:25 if they ask for one Mar 31 04:44:32 oh Mar 31 04:44:34 probably on your router Mar 31 04:44:36 or modem Mar 31 04:44:44 i would hope so Mar 31 04:45:12 by default lease time is ~1-7 days Mar 31 04:45:17 and is dynamic Mar 31 04:45:34 but it's all configurable Mar 31 04:49:12 hi Mar 31 04:51:16 anything special I need to do to get nfs client working on my n810? Mar 31 04:51:25 keep getting mout: mounting xxx:xxx on z failed Mar 31 04:51:28 er, mount Mar 31 04:51:32 server side I see a mount request Mar 31 04:51:37 and then nothing else in syslog Mar 31 04:51:47 use sshfs Mar 31 04:51:48 :) Mar 31 04:52:06 I wish :( Mar 31 04:52:07 trying to set up sbrsh Mar 31 04:52:18 use sshfs on n810 Mar 31 04:52:27 then ssh into it and run locally Mar 31 04:52:28 :) Mar 31 04:52:45 yeah, guess that works Mar 31 04:52:57 it does, because that's how i develop my apps Mar 31 04:53:10 there a sshfs package? Mar 31 04:53:13 probably Mar 31 04:53:32 but you can compile it easily yourself Mar 31 04:53:37 or i can give you .tar.gz Mar 31 04:54:27 hrm, no fuse in my kernel Mar 31 04:55:15 want my .tar.gz ? Mar 31 04:55:16 :) Mar 31 04:55:24 sure :) Mar 31 04:55:47 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/fuse_sshfs.tar.gz Mar 31 04:56:16 don't worry about n800 part, they are basically the same hardware Mar 31 04:56:17 :) Mar 31 04:56:21 awesome, thanks Mar 31 04:56:22 yeah Mar 31 04:57:00 i believe there are proper packages, but as long you know what you are doing .tar.gz is fine too Mar 31 04:57:01 :) Mar 31 04:57:31 how can i change from mplayer to the default media player in canola? Mar 31 04:57:37 i have put fuse.ko in /usr/local/lib/modules Mar 31 04:57:58 italodance: use settings window, bah. Mar 31 04:58:12 settings window on where? Mar 31 04:58:19 on canola Mar 31 04:59:14 but i hear about ~/.atabake/conf ? Mar 31 04:59:27 i don't use canola Mar 31 04:59:32 sorry Mar 31 04:59:32 :) Mar 31 05:00:01 KotCzarny how can i access to my n800 internal card? Mar 31 05:00:14 infact how can i see the install files and edit them? Mar 31 05:00:15 use file manager Mar 31 05:00:21 Looking for info of Wimax on the N800 Mar 31 05:00:49 file manager can't show my installed files on internal card Mar 31 05:01:17 then install another one Mar 31 05:01:21 http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=emel&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=os&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=OS2008&fetch=Search Mar 31 05:01:23 oops. Mar 31 05:01:29 yes which? Mar 31 05:01:36 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2 Mar 31 05:01:38 this one Mar 31 05:02:22 tnx Mar 31 05:07:49 argh Mar 31 05:07:54 yeah, i'm going to have to get a real bash on the device Mar 31 05:07:58 this is just silly Mar 31 05:08:02 watch out Mar 31 05:08:06 it may break things Mar 31 05:08:06 I know Mar 31 05:08:09 :) Mar 31 05:08:20 plan was to just build it and stick it in /usr/local somewhere Mar 31 05:08:30 don't want to replace busybox Mar 31 05:57:26 hmm Mar 31 06:11:01 ok, kciconsbox v0.1 is ready: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kciconsbox/ Mar 31 06:11:55 morning all Mar 31 07:13:44 http://img.smape.com/images/review/Nokia/N810/phs/Nokia_N810_035.jpg Mar 31 07:13:48 :D Mar 31 07:14:05 ! Mar 31 07:14:12 yawn Mar 31 07:21:43 Nokia N800 206 g , Nokia N810 226 g Mar 31 07:21:44 :D Mar 31 07:22:58 That's the capasity to carry extra 20 or so paper clips. Shocking :) Mar 31 07:23:54 hi pupnik Mar 31 07:24:06 hi Mar 31 07:24:14 have you seen my kciconsbox ? Mar 31 07:24:15 :) Mar 31 07:24:42 no, and i did not understand what hidden windows it finds Mar 31 07:24:59 hum Mar 31 07:25:06 any not-hildonized app Mar 31 07:25:22 that was accidentally minimized Mar 31 07:26:01 do you have links browser for example? Mar 31 07:26:08 ohhhhhhh Mar 31 07:26:23 yes Mar 31 07:26:32 then you know what i meant ? Mar 31 07:26:33 :) Mar 31 07:27:50 very very nice review: http://www.smape.com/en/reviews/nokia/Nokia_N810-review.html Mar 31 07:31:54 o_O Mar 31 07:31:57 hammer... on n810 Mar 31 07:32:45 :D Mar 31 07:35:23 hmm, 770: 185g Mar 31 07:35:50 so i guess next after 810 will weigh 246g Mar 31 07:35:51 ;) Mar 31 07:36:59 and will be even thinner? :) Mar 31 07:37:19 I understand the hammer on the n8x0 Mar 31 07:37:21 nope Mar 31 07:37:23 aquatix yes thinner Mar 31 07:37:29 14--13--14--13 Mar 31 07:37:35 maybe 1mm then Mar 31 07:37:38 KotCzarny: yeah, just noticed Mar 31 07:37:39 after the problems I've had with mine....I can understand the hammer, no problem Mar 31 07:37:48 WormFood the hammer is for its slim Mar 31 07:38:01 I've wanted to take a hammer to mine Mar 31 07:38:09 oh? Mar 31 07:38:13 * aquatix not Mar 31 07:38:44 WormFood very good idea! Mar 31 07:39:23 a hammer, or drop it out of a 15 story building (I'm on the 15th floor right now) Mar 31 07:40:46 wait till i can catch it ;) Mar 31 07:40:52 but seriously, why? Mar 31 07:40:57 what troubles do you have? Mar 31 07:41:04 because the wireless does not work worth a fuck Mar 31 07:41:14 works here Mar 31 07:41:15 ;) Mar 31 07:41:26 many, many, many times it just does not get an IP Mar 31 07:41:46 it was working great with my AP, then it stopped working....and now it is working again Mar 31 07:41:48 hm, that sucks Mar 31 07:41:53 works here though Mar 31 07:42:39 hey! tomorrow is april fools day Mar 31 07:42:47 shush ;) Mar 31 07:43:02 yeah Mar 31 07:43:12 and nokia will annnounce n820 Mar 31 07:43:14 :) Mar 31 07:43:21 the n900 Mar 31 07:43:44 with added kitchen sink, still no gsm Mar 31 07:43:54 Morning, all Mar 31 07:43:55 * aquatix guesses n820, with wimax Mar 31 07:44:04 gsm is for pussies Mar 31 07:44:19 hsdpa would be awesome though Mar 31 07:44:23 it would Mar 31 07:44:29 do pussies like gsm? Mar 31 07:44:35 umm guys did u removed The protective film of n800? Mar 31 07:44:36 * aquatix is a pussy then Mar 31 07:44:38 if I lived in a non-backward country Mar 31 07:44:47 Italodance, of course I did Mar 31 07:44:55 it is covered in scratches for mine Mar 31 07:44:55 Italodance: yes, when replacing it with another Mar 31 07:45:09 doc|home: well, i enabled umts on my phone, and i don't get a signal anyway Mar 31 07:45:12 Italodance: the default one is a cheap crappy one Mar 31 07:45:17 and this country seems to be swamped in signal Mar 31 07:45:24 WormFood ok cos i bought mine about 3 weeks and noticed now!!! Mar 31 07:45:31 Italodance: get a boxwave screen protector Mar 31 07:45:31 heh Mar 31 07:45:32 aquatix: I'm in canada, there aren't even decent rates for anything here, not even 2.5g Mar 31 07:45:42 I do not use any protection Mar 31 07:45:49 doc|home: i have a flat-fee gprs subscription Mar 31 07:45:54 and I don't use any screen protector on my n800 either Mar 31 07:45:57 WormFood: that's what she sai... *stops* Mar 31 07:46:00 10 euro/month for about 7KB/sec Mar 31 07:46:04 [128kbit] Mar 31 07:46:06 gprs sucks :/ Mar 31 07:46:11 pings >800ms Mar 31 07:46:12 aquatix: I like boxwave but they fuck you over on delivery charges :/ Mar 31 07:46:12 tell me something new ;) Mar 31 07:46:23 doc|home: oh? Mar 31 07:46:27 but if it was given away for free.. Mar 31 07:46:28 ;) Mar 31 07:46:33 i get the protector in the mail Mar 31 07:46:36 doc|home but stylus can scratch the screen display? Mar 31 07:46:37 for about 1 or 2 dollar Mar 31 07:46:40 iirc Mar 31 07:46:41 man, I'd be happy with 10euro a month for that, here it's $5 per mb Mar 31 07:46:52 Italodance: no idea, but I wasn't taking chances Mar 31 07:46:53 doc|home: yeah, it would be 10 euro/mb without Mar 31 07:46:56 I've heard it can Mar 31 07:47:05 a euro per freaking 100KB Mar 31 07:47:09 yep :/ Mar 31 07:47:12 it's ridicukous Mar 31 07:47:17 wow! Mar 31 07:47:18 O.o Mar 31 07:47:18 *ridiculous Mar 31 07:47:22 do you get a kiss with that? Mar 31 07:47:28 * doc|home zZzZz Mar 31 07:47:30 night all Mar 31 07:47:31 hsdpa would have nice QoS, so ssh would work a lot better Mar 31 07:47:36 night doc|home Mar 31 07:47:36 aquatix stylus can scratch the screen display? Mar 31 07:47:49 WormFood: nope, only a nice `i'm screwed' feeling Mar 31 07:47:54 doc|home: night Mar 31 07:47:59 Italodance: maybe Mar 31 07:48:11 i think it will not scratch it soon Mar 31 07:48:13 hell, I wouldn't pay 1 rmb per freaking 100kb Mar 31 07:48:23 but i bought a protector anyway, and i want to use my fingernails too :) Mar 31 07:48:36 WormFood: that's why i did that subscription Mar 31 07:48:39 * KotCzarny got second hand nokia with protector alread in place Mar 31 07:48:45 10 euro/month for flat-fee is ok-ish Mar 31 07:48:46 and 9 of them as a spares ;) Mar 31 07:48:53 KotCzarny: wow Mar 31 07:49:05 and it was 150$ for the whole package Mar 31 07:49:06 :) Mar 31 07:49:11 9 protectors? Mar 31 07:49:14 or 9 nokia's? :) Mar 31 07:49:15 + n800 Mar 31 07:49:17 KotCzarny: Error: "n800" is not a valid command. Mar 31 07:49:17 :) Mar 31 07:49:24 kk Mar 31 07:49:27 :) Mar 31 07:49:31 1 boxwave protector is enough Mar 31 07:49:39 still have the first one on my palm Mar 31 07:49:48 yeah. nails navigation rulez Mar 31 07:49:49 barely scratched Mar 31 07:49:54 no stylus needed Mar 31 07:49:55 ;) Mar 31 07:49:57 indeed Mar 31 07:50:08 almost never use a stylus on my devices Mar 31 07:50:17 not even on the tiny screen of my phone Mar 31 07:50:22 I just use a ball point pen ;) Mar 31 07:50:54 sometimes I'm too lazy to use the stylus, and I just use a toothpick (plastic) Mar 31 07:51:08 heh :) Mar 31 07:51:27 * Proteous tries to figure out how using toothpick is more lazy then using the stylus Mar 31 07:51:31 to get a pen or toothpick, i would have to do a lot more work than getting the stylus from the device ;) Mar 31 07:51:37 :P Mar 31 07:51:41 Proteous: exactly ;) Mar 31 07:51:42 I was joking about the pen Mar 31 07:51:49 proteous: if one have it sticking out of the mouth.. Mar 31 07:51:53 ;) Mar 31 07:52:03 WormFood: you're always walking around with a toothpick in your mouth? Mar 31 07:52:03 I was too lazy to pull out the stylus, so I just use the toothpick I have laying here Mar 31 07:52:09 weird cowboy Mar 31 07:52:15 heh Mar 31 07:52:23 calling me weird ;) Mar 31 07:52:28 aquatix, no, I always have one in my pocket Mar 31 07:52:35 heheh, k Mar 31 07:53:04 it's too bad they put the dpad in the slide, now reading an ebook is more work :/ Mar 31 07:53:17 huh? Mar 31 07:53:22 you're talking about n810 Mar 31 07:53:22 :) Mar 31 07:53:25 yeah Mar 31 07:53:30 I don't like that little button on the middle of the dpad Mar 31 07:53:35 `slide' is a give-away ;) Mar 31 07:53:36 btw. lcuk is preparing great text reader Mar 31 07:53:47 WormFood: yeah, never use it, only by accident Mar 31 07:53:58 i kinda like fsreader Mar 31 07:54:04 it's quirky Mar 31 07:54:13 lcuk's reader would be a hit :> Mar 31 07:54:16 I have to try to unlock it 2 to 4 times, because I always hit a direction when I try to hit the center button Mar 31 07:54:19 i guess :) Mar 31 07:54:44 KotCzarny: as long as it can read palmdoc and such :) Mar 31 07:54:51 :) Mar 31 07:58:10 yay, netsplit time Mar 31 07:58:25 life Mar 31 08:22:06 huh Mar 31 08:23:20 messy netsplit Mar 31 08:23:29 a little Mar 31 08:23:38 not massive fortunatelly Mar 31 08:45:27 um where can i load maps for other countries? Mar 31 08:45:38 use maemo-mapper Mar 31 08:46:49 oh i should connect to internet ok i thought they are ready for download now! Mar 31 08:47:39 the map application has a menu option `maps' Mar 31 08:47:55 you can choose other maps there, and can download the countries you are missing Mar 31 08:48:17 aquatix tnx yes Mar 31 08:51:03 ummm is abailable a game with DEMO videos? (yes a full game) Mar 31 09:01:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6099 Mar 31 09:01:49 O.o Mar 31 09:01:58 some people.. are crazy Mar 31 09:12:15 hello X-Fade_ Mar 31 09:12:24 bot? Mar 31 09:13:45 opendeep: How can I help you? Mar 31 09:14:49 http://www.thechurning.com/misc/nokintoamonkey.mp3 - the anti evolution song - "I'm no kin to the monkey nonono!" (hilarious) Mar 31 09:14:50 I want to commit to repository,can you enable my account Mar 31 09:15:10 username is opendeep Mar 31 09:15:26 garage.maemo.org Mar 31 09:15:56 I mean to upload keys Mar 31 09:16:18 opendeep: You should receive an invitation email shortly. Mar 31 09:17:08 KotCzarny win 98 hehe lol Mar 31 09:18:03 X-Fade:I have an account already,but Edit keys is not enabled. Mar 31 09:18:53 why bochs :/ Mar 31 09:19:12 hm, does qemu run on armel? Mar 31 09:19:21 opendeep: Yes, that is what the invitation is for. It will give you a way to upload keys.. Mar 31 09:19:36 ok,thank you Mar 31 09:27:46 ok, night people Mar 31 09:40:15 * Tobotras still can't start using libjpeg past jpeg_set_defaults :( Mar 31 09:55:30 hi all Mar 31 09:55:39 I want to create an sqlite database for my app Mar 31 09:55:45 that is the easy part Mar 31 09:55:52 the bigger question is where to store it... Mar 31 09:56:00 in .myapp/blah.db ? Mar 31 09:56:25 and if so, does maemo have a way to access $home/.myapp in a clean way ? Mar 31 10:01:11 Anyone familiar with SDHC cards that don't work? Mar 31 10:05:59 I think another question you should ask yourself as the wear of the device/flash if you would do read/write for a long period of time Mar 31 10:06:13 * Tobotras is familiar with SDHC cards that do work Mar 31 10:06:31 SDHC Mar 31 10:06:41 my non-working one says words to this effect in dmesg: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command CRC error (CMD55, arg 0x00000000) Mar 31 10:06:44 SD 4 GB is working with my n800! Mar 31 10:07:23 lardman Toshiba cards don't work Mar 31 10:07:40 hmm, this is sandisk iirc Mar 31 10:07:56 Sandisk sucks Mar 31 10:08:08 true Mar 31 10:08:18 i have silicon power Mar 31 10:08:28 lardman: Did you try http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/ ? Mar 31 10:08:29 i have patriot Mar 31 10:08:31 silicon power is fast and good! Mar 31 10:08:51 X-Fade_: not yet, have just been looking at that Mar 31 10:09:01 Im using two twinmos cards now. My 16gb adata also works Mar 31 10:09:13 Never had a card that dont work Mar 31 10:09:34 hmm, looks like time to try a patched kernel and if that doesn't work some kernel code diving to see what that error means Mar 31 10:09:48 lardman: If it still doesn't work then, it should be a good idea contact the author of those patches. Mar 31 10:09:59 lardman look here : http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2007/10/nokia-n800-which-memory-cards-to-use.html Mar 31 10:11:13 lardman listen before buy a card u should ask from seller for test it ok???? Mar 31 10:11:15 thanks, will do some flashing at lunch time Mar 31 10:11:29 Italodance: not the easiest when you buy online Mar 31 10:12:14 lardman never try online!!!! Mar 31 10:14:54 Italodance: :) well one lives and learns Mar 31 10:16:19 ah ha, the wonders of google: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664 Mar 31 10:17:53 bug has been closed though... Mar 31 10:20:04 interesting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2672, looks like the adaptor is at fault Mar 31 10:44:29 Anyone have any clue how to make ti92 calcs show desimals when doing ie 9/2? Mar 31 10:47:23 I'm unsure from reading the pymaemo documentation introductory page if there is an sqlite module available for performing sqlite db operations when programming with PyGTK Mar 31 10:47:38 PyMaemo that is. Mar 31 10:51:15 Cptn-N800: mode -> approx Mar 31 10:51:48 hi hrw Mar 31 10:51:52 morning Mar 31 10:53:03 Yeah i found out eventually, thanks :D Mar 31 10:53:57 Does it run fast enough to be useful? Mar 31 10:54:49 Ti92? Mar 31 10:55:11 Yes...using tiemu its slow but still useful Mar 31 10:55:31 oh, you're not using tiemu then? Mar 31 10:55:42 No, i am Mar 31 10:55:50 ignore me, typed message then looked away and pressed enter Mar 31 10:55:55 i just specified that thats what im using, i know there are slower aps Mar 31 10:56:24 I'm glad to see it working, it was very slow on the 770 Mar 31 10:56:30 at least the build I used Mar 31 10:56:35 Its not something you want to use for hours on end but for a quick something its nice Mar 31 10:56:55 Its still buggy Mar 31 10:57:03 and runs the cpu at max when in use Mar 31 10:57:19 ah, so you probably can't suspend with it running, not ideal Mar 31 10:57:43 Thik that would drain the battery pretty fast Mar 31 10:58:12 ah well, with the n810 I have less need of the on screen keyboard stuff, might even go for command line giac for the symbolic stuff Mar 31 10:58:15 But its not "lock up the tablet until done"-kinda cpu spike Mar 31 10:59:03 yeah, just wouldn't want to leave it running on the desk and come back to find the battery dead an hour later, etc. Mar 31 10:59:21 Indeed Mar 31 10:59:56 Transmission does that -.- Because it writes to sd all the time i guess Mar 31 11:00:19 I must have another look for a Python (or indeed any language) mathematics pretty printer (and not latex) to stick a pretty front end on yacas Mar 31 11:01:22 Im just using it for quick calc at math lectures when i dont bother bringing my casio Mar 31 11:22:44 X-Fade_: ping Mar 31 11:22:53 Jaffa: Yep ;) Mar 31 11:23:43 X-Fade_: I'm just adding tablet-encode to downloads to test #2347 but am a bit confused by the "Screenshots" bit of the form. What's the use/difference of "name" and "title"? Mar 31 11:24:06 #2373 sorry Mar 31 11:25:00 Oh, that's pissed me off. Just clicked on one of the toolbar icons to see if it did anything helpful (like show me the help) and it bloody changed the page I was on; losing all the data I'd input. Mar 31 11:25:05 That's a FFS moment. Mar 31 11:25:36 Name is the filename that will be used in the url and title the alt of the image, I think.. Mar 31 11:25:46 OK. Mar 31 11:25:59 Now, can you stop it destroying data when stupid users click on the weird left-most icon? Mar 31 11:26:00 Jaffa: Although we don't seem to use it at the moment.. Mar 31 11:27:49 Jaffa: Which icon did you click on? Mar 31 11:28:17 X-Fade: I think, looking more closely, it's the Midgard one. Mar 31 11:28:30 Ah, hehe ;) Mar 31 11:28:43 X-Fade: "Page" and "Folder" didn't do anything, so thought that might popup a help window. Mar 31 11:28:52 I've learnt it does not :-/ Mar 31 11:30:35 X-Fade: after uploading an image, it's copied the download URL from "URL of .install file" to the "Editable install file" box. Mar 31 11:31:17 Jaffa: You mean, you did? ;) It doesn't do that for me? Mar 31 11:32:06 X-Fade: no, it did that for me. It also seems to have half-forgotten my first screenshot and ignored the second after hitting "upload image" on the second. Mar 31 11:32:10 * Jaffa puts it in the bug. Mar 31 11:32:24 Jaffa: Those are 2 different fields with different field names. There is no way it copies it.. Mar 31 11:33:43 are there sqlite bindings to develop a database app using pygtk/pymaemo? Mar 31 11:39:30 X-Fade: do you want me to try re-uploading my screenshots or do you want time to look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2347#c8 first? Mar 31 11:39:34 Jaffa: Can you try to add the screenshots, now that the product is created? Mar 31 11:39:44 X-Fade: will do Mar 31 11:42:19 That worked. Mar 31 11:43:44 Jaffa: Yeah, it seems that there is a problem in the images datatype in midgard. Will try to figure out what happens.. Mar 31 11:53:27 * Jaffa tests voting. Mar 31 12:05:37 any universal im client for os2008? Mar 31 12:06:00 Pidgin Mar 31 12:06:55 or rtcomm beta Mar 31 12:07:27 both do gtalk and msn messenger? Mar 31 12:07:44 yeah, pretty sure Mar 31 12:07:46 or remote irssi with bitlbee :) Mar 31 12:07:54 :/ Mar 31 12:08:21 bitlbee ain't for maemo? Mar 31 12:08:49 you can compile it Mar 31 12:08:51 bitlbee can be used with any irc client Mar 31 12:08:57 don't know if there are any ready packages Mar 31 12:09:09 rtcomm beta ++ :) Mar 31 12:09:13 easier to connect to a public server.. Mar 31 12:09:52 isn't gaim good enough? Mar 31 12:10:11 telepathy-haze ++ Mar 31 12:10:33 There is no gaim, liri. Mar 31 12:10:44 It's Pidgin nowadays. Mar 31 12:11:08 trye Mar 31 12:11:10 *true Mar 31 12:13:14 there should be a pure console based distro for NITs.. grml NIT edition or so :) Mar 31 12:13:51 debian could fit that bill nicely :D Mar 31 12:14:21 wouldn't be terribly useful for N800 owners though... Mar 31 12:14:48 johnx: USB keyboard? :) Mar 31 12:14:56 ITT having problems? Mar 31 12:14:57 I don't care so much for the console part as much as the lack of keyboard Mar 31 12:15:03 * Navi doesn't have a keyboard Mar 31 12:15:13 Navi, get a keyboard :P Mar 31 12:15:19 nevar! Mar 31 12:15:42 though I find that I don't use my usb keyboard that much Mar 31 12:16:17 have to time it ends up plugged into my desktop controlling freevo Mar 31 12:17:00 s/have/half/g Mar 31 12:17:00 johnx meant: half to time it ends up plugged into my desktop controlling freevo Mar 31 12:17:09 * johnx is b0rken Mar 31 12:28:15 anyone ever used libhildonmm ? Mar 31 12:28:32 it seems their install is pretty much f'd up... Installing the header fles into the wrong directories Mar 31 12:33:13 crashanddie: looks ok here Mar 31 12:34:16 jott, try to create a program Mar 31 12:34:44 jott, just #include Mar 31 12:34:55 you'll notice that that file doesn't exist Mar 31 12:35:11 how i can my own deb repo? Mar 31 12:35:34 the only file that exists is /usr/include/hildonmm/hildonmm/banner.h Mar 31 12:35:45 x-demon, there's an easy, and a hard way Mar 31 12:35:58 that's the correct path Mar 31 12:36:05 jott, no, it's no Mar 31 12:36:07 not** Mar 31 12:36:09 crashanddie: give me hard Mar 31 12:36:13 but working Mar 31 12:36:25 consider using pkg-config --cflags hildonmm Mar 31 12:36:25 the correct path should be /usr/include/hildonmm/banner.h Mar 31 12:36:29 crashanddie: no Mar 31 12:36:34 oh Mar 31 12:36:39 x-demon: The question is, why do you want to create yet another repository? Mar 31 12:36:48 johnx Mar 31 12:36:56 X-Fade, it's just easier for your private packages nobody else cares about Mar 31 12:36:59 include prefix IS /usr/include/hildonmm and files can look then for hildonmm/*.h Mar 31 12:37:01 for my own stuff Mar 31 12:37:33 crashanddie: Problem is, that people don't tend to keep those repos just for themselves.. Mar 31 12:37:50 so how can i do it Mar 31 12:37:56 crashanddie: And when then end up with yet-another-repo.. Mar 31 12:38:48 X-Fade, well then so be it ? Mar 31 12:39:16 Not if I can help it ;) Mar 31 12:39:17 x-demon, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto Mar 31 12:39:25 thx Mar 31 12:39:28 will try Mar 31 12:39:51 x-demon, considering you're only going to use one arch on it, I suggest you use the non-complex approach Mar 31 12:40:00 i also have a local repository with ~2gb of packages ;) Mar 31 12:40:15 if i wanna use not one arch? Mar 31 12:40:34 then use the slightly more complex repo Mar 31 12:40:41 x-demon, both cases are explained anyhoo Mar 31 12:40:49 yes i see Mar 31 12:40:57 it's really hard... Mar 31 12:41:17 x-demon: might take a look at reprepro http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/ makes the handling quite easy Mar 31 12:41:41 doesnt have i root, i try to setup it on my webhost Mar 31 12:41:54 if it not possible, i do it on my vds... Mar 31 12:42:00 you can build the repo on your local machine and copy it over Mar 31 12:42:21 but you can also create it as user :) Mar 31 12:43:04 STILL NO TOOL TO VIDEO CHAT BETWEEN LINUX AND MAEMO! Mar 31 12:43:21 WE'RE WORKING ON IT Mar 31 12:43:36 * jott gives keesj a megaphone :p Mar 31 12:43:50 * jott gives Robot101 another one Mar 31 12:43:53 apt-get install figlet ... Mar 31 12:44:02 heh Mar 31 12:44:22 figlet | cowsay Mar 31 12:44:23 :P Mar 31 12:45:04 banner | figlet | cowsay :) Mar 31 12:45:32 hmm... some q. i must put packages to repo manually? Mar 31 12:45:55 x-demon: depends on how your maintain your repo Mar 31 12:46:33 keesj: Empathy trunk with Stream-engine trunk makes working video calls from desktops to N810/N800s Mar 31 12:47:26 http://deb.x-demon.org Mar 31 12:47:33 is the HFS correct? Mar 31 12:47:51 hi all. i recently bought an n800. is there a consensus as to whether i should now upgrade to os2008 Mar 31 12:48:22 It starts to ring a bel. some collab between a and b.. Mar 31 12:48:35 hpg101: i guess you'll never get a consensus but the majority would recommend upgrading Mar 31 12:48:44 hpg101: that is really a /. question :p Mar 31 12:48:57 Robot101: do you blog somewhere? Mar 31 12:49:38 keesj: robot101.net, but... uh... not for some time Mar 31 12:49:42 I might soon :) Mar 31 12:51:03 hmm, maemo repository dead ? Mar 31 12:51:42 crashanddie: can i go PM Mar 31 12:51:43 ? Mar 31 12:51:44 Robot101: I did the cape wrath trail Mar 31 12:51:57 x-demon, rather not, I'm not highly available Mar 31 12:52:15 5 min, i'm nearly finished Mar 31 12:52:35 ok? Mar 31 12:52:37 tmi Mar 31 12:52:56 keesj: sweet Mar 31 12:53:07 crashanddie: Looking into it now.. Mar 31 12:55:08 repository.maemo.org really down Mar 31 12:55:15 or under heavy load Mar 31 12:57:12 damn, i have a problem Mar 31 12:57:49 real packets must go in /pool Mar 31 13:03:16 crashanddie, x-demon: can you check again? Should be better now? Mar 31 13:04:44 yes Mar 31 13:04:54 Whoa! My deb repo is working! Mar 31 13:12:37 johnx Mar 31 13:12:48 i am really confused Mar 31 13:12:57 how can i change the video player from mplayer to the default media player in canola? Mar 31 13:13:32 Italodance, I have no idea Mar 31 13:13:38 someone else might though Mar 31 13:13:51 ! :( Mar 31 13:14:07 maybe look at the settings at the files in .canola/prefs ? Mar 31 13:14:18 i heard about ~/.atabake/conf ? but what can i do? i can't find it! Mar 31 13:14:44 Italodance: maybe ask in #canola or ITT? Mar 31 13:14:49 it's /home/user/.atabake/config Mar 31 13:14:55 you have to edit it with a text editor Mar 31 13:15:03 it doesn't show up in file manager Mar 31 13:15:08 yes Mar 31 13:16:54 johnx Mar 31 13:17:09 i am trying to open it with emelfm2 Mar 31 13:17:25 you have to make emelfm2 show you "hidden" files Mar 31 13:17:26 but it said enter the command ? Mar 31 13:17:36 I don't use emelfm2 Mar 31 13:18:08 how can i edit it on x-term? Mar 31 13:18:25 the command? Mar 31 13:18:41 install nano first, and then type nano .atabake/config Mar 31 13:18:55 ok Mar 31 13:19:30 (it's not a bad idea to learn some vi(m) either ;) Mar 31 13:19:41 Veggen, O_o one step at a time Mar 31 13:19:55 vim is the only thing I use anymore ;) Mar 31 13:20:41 WormFood, me too, but like I said, "one step at a time" :P Mar 31 13:21:31 johnx ummmm is it another idea! but can u send me ur atabake file! Mar 31 13:21:42 I didn't change mine at all Mar 31 13:21:43 then i can recopy it there Mar 31 13:22:01 I'll put it on pastebin if you want though Mar 31 13:22:07 johnx ur canola video player is by mplayer or media player? Mar 31 13:22:18 it's whatever the default is Mar 31 13:22:26 I don't even play video on my tablet Mar 31 13:22:32 well mine is mplayer! Mar 31 13:23:41 here's mine, http://pastebin.com/m3d3674c1 Mar 31 13:23:52 ok Mar 31 13:24:30 ah mplayer! Mar 31 13:37:12 btw - is there a media player for n8x0 which can handle music collection on remote samba share? Mar 31 13:38:52 hrw ukmp canola! Mar 31 13:39:14 which one you would suggest? Mar 31 13:39:18 and which one is open? Mar 31 13:40:53 both Mar 31 13:41:06 i have both Mar 31 13:54:44 I've never seen a better UI for thie N810 than the canola one, so go with that hrw - at least try it first ;) Mar 31 13:58:33 hrw: canola isn't open though Mar 31 13:59:28 well my sdhc card works in the SD adaptor in the N800, so it looks like the second bug from earlier is the answer - crappy micro to mini sd adaptor :( Mar 31 13:59:56 * lardman looks to see where to buy a new one Mar 31 14:07:29 canola lack samba support Mar 31 14:07:33 ;( Mar 31 14:08:21 lardman: What was your problem? Because crappy adapter sounds familiar.. Mar 31 14:08:48 4Gb micro sdhc, doens't work with the mini adaptor, but does with the full sd adaptor Mar 31 14:11:00 Ah, okay. I intentionally destroyed my adapter yesterday, after trying to get the perfectly fine card to work in various readers.. Very satisfying. Mar 31 14:11:04 hmm, firstly, I wonder why more shops don't sell them, and secondly, I wonder how it can fail to work, rubbish Mar 31 14:12:05 I almost lost the card + SD adaptor in my N800 - there's no indent on the exposed side Mar 31 14:15:38 isn't there a DBUS session running on the Maemo platform Mar 31 14:15:38 ? Mar 31 14:18:28 yes, pretty much everything talks over dbus Mar 31 14:29:41 hrw: It looks like Canola 2 can be extended using Python - so there may be enough flexibility for you Mar 31 14:29:49 perhaps Mar 31 14:33:38 lardman, hmm, d'you know how can I can get around "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid" Mar 31 14:33:54 what's telling you that? Mar 31 14:34:10 lardman, an example in the maemomm C++ bindings docs Mar 31 14:34:25 no idea, sorry Mar 31 14:35:23 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html Mar 31 14:38:51 still no idea sorry. Is this on the device or in scratchbox though? Mar 31 14:59:14 where can i find nano? Mar 31 15:01:12 on downloads.maemo.org Mar 31 15:01:15 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/nano/ i need os 2008 Mar 31 15:02:10 http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/nano_2.0.6_armel.deb Mar 31 15:02:12 here is Mar 31 15:02:26 johnx then after installl what can i do with that? Mar 31 15:02:35 is it a tool with icon on menu? Mar 31 15:02:41 it's in xterm Mar 31 15:02:53 lardman: many things can be done Mar 31 15:03:03 open xterm and type nano .atabake/config Mar 31 15:03:15 lardman: but even crappy default media player can handle samba directly.. Mar 31 15:03:59 johnx do u have it? it is not a harmful? i afraid Mar 31 15:04:18 nano is not harmful Mar 31 15:04:27 do I have what? Mar 31 15:04:30 ok Mar 31 15:04:49 i trust u :D Mar 31 15:04:56 I have installed other apps from nitapps.com . They seem fine :) Mar 31 15:06:34 read the last reply http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18068&highlight=nano&page=2 Mar 31 15:08:53 try it. the worst that can happen is that it won't work Mar 31 15:09:12 if you're afraid to use it, then don't Mar 31 15:09:50 no i need these risks Mar 31 15:10:14 do u have it on ur tablet? Mar 31 15:10:17 lol? Mar 31 15:10:22 It's a stupid text-editor. Mar 31 15:10:25 It can't break anything. Mar 31 15:10:41 nope. I use vi but vi can be a little difficult for new users Mar 31 15:11:03 i can uninstall it after my work Mar 31 15:11:28 heh.. Mar 31 15:11:35 canola2 does not handle samba Mar 31 15:11:42 ukmp does not handle anything Mar 31 15:11:54 it just say 'sorry, no albums, bye' Mar 31 15:12:32 Media player should do Samba. Mar 31 15:12:39 Support is a little buggy Mar 31 15:12:45 But I'd expect improvements with Diablo. Mar 31 15:13:11 GeneralAntilles: media player do samba. but I have 12GB of music on samba share Mar 31 15:13:30 GeneralAntilles: so I want player with 'media library' funtion not just 'select song to be played' Mar 31 15:13:40 You should pick up a 16GB card, then. :P Mar 31 15:13:43 maybe fuse+smbnetfs would be best in the long run... Mar 31 15:14:08 johnx: thats workaround Mar 31 15:14:25 GeneralAntilles: and 300GB hdd on back on n810 (just in case) Mar 31 15:14:57 I like to use tablet to play music from samba share on home hifi system Mar 31 15:15:11 but canola2 does not allow this, ukmp does not even start... Mar 31 15:15:24 Media streamer? Mar 31 15:15:43 and media player force user to go through /samba/share/dir1/dir2/dir3/dir4/dir5 each time Mar 31 15:15:54 GeneralAntilles: I prefer to avoid it Mar 31 15:16:06 Eh, OK, those are my suggestions. Mar 31 15:16:09 GeneralAntilles: this machine (samba one) has many other things to do now Mar 31 15:16:19 does it have ssh? Mar 31 15:16:26 why should applications provide support for network filesystems to begin with? Mar 31 15:16:34 soon we'll have upnp support in canola at least Mar 31 15:16:41 do it in gnome-vfs or mount the shares Mar 31 15:16:41 lcdd: because system apps provide it? Mar 31 15:16:49 but I'm with lcdd. I'm a big fan of fuse... Mar 31 15:17:43 lcdd: user can run original maemo crappy media player and select song from anywhere: rootfs, cards, bluetooth, samba. So why other apps has to limit it to cards + one folder in rootfs (like canola2 do)? Mar 31 15:18:00 johnx: and maemo does not provide fuse modules by default too.. Mar 31 15:18:08 Because Samba support isn't free? Mar 31 15:18:18 ukmp do nasty things in postinst... Mar 31 15:18:19 GeneralAntilles, eh? O_o Mar 31 15:18:27 hrw: most important features come first, i guess Mar 31 15:18:32 hrw, that's the beauty of a linux based device. you can add software Mar 31 15:18:34 I thought Samba was opensource but not SMB Mar 31 15:18:42 i.e. you don't just wave a magic wand and have Samba support Mar 31 15:19:08 probably because mplayer (which they sometimes use as a backend) doesn't have gnomevfs support Mar 31 15:19:12 GeneralAntilles: gnome-vfs exists for quite long time and is present on device with working samba features Mar 31 15:19:37 And gnome-vfs is a PITA to actually integrate into applications. Mar 31 15:20:01 That's why Gnome has already scrapped it and replaced it with GVFS. Mar 31 15:20:41 (and SMB is a protocol... it is neither open nor closed source) Mar 31 15:20:47 * johnx (tenatively) looks forward to gvfs Mar 31 15:21:08 derf: it is protocol which has working opensource implementation Mar 31 15:21:30 derf: I am not talking about tablet <> windows2019 but tablet <> samba 3.x Mar 31 15:21:30 Yes. Called Samba. Mar 31 15:21:50 I'm just being a semantics Nazi. Mar 31 15:22:06 hrw: all the media players seem to suck somehow. i've found web-based streaming the least painful to use Mar 31 15:22:40 I've found upnp streaming to be the best supported Mar 31 15:22:43 lcdd: but for playing media streaming zire71 (older then 770) is enough Mar 31 15:23:07 anyway it is good subject to blog Mar 31 15:23:22 johnx is it possible i edit the atabake file in my pc then move to tablet and reinstall it there? Mar 31 15:23:28 "user-unfriendliness of maemo media players" Mar 31 15:24:08 Italodance, sure, but that's the hard way. You do it if you want, but it's up to you to figure out how Mar 31 15:24:42 Personally, Italodance, I'd invest a hour or so acquainting myself with vi. Mar 31 15:24:55 It's really fairly straightforward as long as you don't get fancy. Mar 31 15:30:29 johnx Mar 31 15:31:09 what? Mar 31 15:31:32 how to kill maemo image viewer: give it 5Mpx picture over samba Mar 31 15:31:38 read here : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18176&page=16 Mar 31 15:31:44 why? Mar 31 15:31:48 nokia want to help me here :D Mar 31 15:31:49 what am I reading? Mar 31 15:32:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18176&page=16 Mar 31 15:32:04 it will open it, show and then any menu usage will make it looping with 'opening 1/15' (15 pics in folder) Mar 31 15:32:33 i typed the reply message of nokia there Mar 31 15:34:03 hrw, yeah...I kinda, think the gnomevfs/smb support in maemo is a little sketchy Mar 31 15:34:27 It's fresh with OS2008. Mar 31 15:34:33 We've yet to have a real update to OS2008. <_< Mar 31 15:35:08 are there any mods on ITT? Mar 31 15:35:08 johnx: a little? Mar 31 15:35:42 Cptnodegard, one. Mar 31 15:35:43 yeah, that's why I'm going to get fuse/smbnetfs working... Mar 31 15:35:49 If you have a problem, use the report button. Mar 31 15:36:02 Reggie deals with the spam stuff pretty quickly. Mar 31 15:36:33 My bet is that we'll see a lot of improvement with Diablo. Mar 31 15:36:35 anyone here ever tried to use the maemomm libs ? Mar 31 15:36:56 and the one who created hildon filerequester have sick type of humour... Mar 31 15:37:25 run any default maemo4 app, choose 'open' and you will start from /Documents/ never mind where you were before... Mar 31 15:37:28 yeah i just reported a spammer, but reports in the fast seems creepily slow, weird that such a big forum has a single mod Mar 31 15:37:44 Meh, it's not really much of an issue. Mar 31 15:37:50 Surprisingly. Mar 31 15:41:17 johnx | GeneralAntilles: you guys never came accross the following error while programming on scratchbox/n810: "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid ..." Mar 31 15:41:37 Can't install scratchbox here. :P Mar 31 15:41:53 I haven't built anything that needs d-bus I think. What are you trying to compile? Mar 31 15:42:00 johnx: i have an smbnetfs package if you wanna try it Mar 31 15:42:03 it might be searching for d-bus in a strange way? Mar 31 15:42:15 solmumaha, I'd love to! :D Mar 31 15:42:31 crashanddie: inside scratchbox or on the device? Mar 31 15:42:45 still have the address? Mar 31 15:43:03 let me see... Mar 31 15:43:04 lardman, both Mar 31 15:43:07 does the upcoming sdk update mean there will be also a new OS image? Mar 31 15:43:21 johnx, examples from the maemomm doc Mar 31 15:43:31 crashanddie: ah, I was just wondering if it could be a runtime error because the scratchbox maemo desktop stuff wasn't running Mar 31 15:44:00 lardman, nha, its on both, though, when I force it with dbus-launch ./progName, it runs fine Mar 31 15:44:31 crashanddie, try run-standalone.sh ./progName Mar 31 15:45:18 solmumaha, downloading now... Mar 31 15:45:59 yeah but do I have to do that on the n810 too ? Mar 31 15:46:13 inz, seems pretty ugly to me Mar 31 15:46:19 no Mar 31 15:46:57 hmm Mar 31 15:47:00 crashanddie, you only have to do it when starting it manually from command line Mar 31 15:47:07 ooooh Mar 31 15:47:13 figures Mar 31 15:47:16 ok, great :) Mar 31 15:47:19 crashanddie, if you have your program started by hildon-desktop or dbus, then you don't need it Mar 31 15:47:29 inz, oh right, sweet :) Thanks ! Mar 31 15:48:35 well, heading home now, be back in a bit Mar 31 15:54:26 inz: you fixed the bold black in vte?! i've compiled current trunk and tag mh7 from garage but this vte version still (again) lacks bold black. do you have a diff of what you changed and why is it not in svn? or am i missing something? Mar 31 15:55:14 jott, which svn you compiled from? Mar 31 15:55:31 inz: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/vte/?root=osso-xterm Mar 31 15:57:03 jott, indeed I wonder where I fixed it in, can't find the fix in either my repo, or the garage Mar 31 15:57:09 jott, maybe I forgot to commit, beh Mar 31 15:57:18 jott, the fix is actually _very_ trivial Mar 31 15:58:12 inz: i bet it is - still this should be in svn :) Mar 31 15:58:20 inz: Did you patch the 14 line? Mar 31 15:58:38 fuse... another tool which is not present in maemo repos.. Mar 31 15:58:46 konttori, 14 line? Mar 31 15:59:08 ah.. of xterm Mar 31 15:59:18 or did the patch only affect the vte? Mar 31 16:01:15 hrw: http://nakkiboso.com/maemofuse Mar 31 16:01:41 konttori, the patch is only vte Mar 31 16:01:50 ok. cool. Mar 31 16:04:01 jott, I've now uploaded a patch to maemo-hackers.org svn Mar 31 16:04:04 solmumaha: I already have ~50 repositories present... Mar 31 16:04:42 solmumaha: so sorry but installing packages from totally random place is not a solution Mar 31 16:05:01 inz: ah thanks, maybe also put it in garage so it might be in the next release :) Mar 31 16:05:56 jott, I'll try that it compiles, at least ;) Mar 31 16:07:19 hehe sure :) Mar 31 16:07:39 hrw: just thought you wanted it Mar 31 16:08:58 solmumaha: if something for maemo is not present in those 40 (checked with wc) repos which I already enabled I prefer to build it by my own then getting it from random places. Mar 31 16:10:06 well do that then and upload them to one :) Mar 31 16:10:37 solmumaha, is there a reason you don't have user allowed to use fuse? Mar 31 16:10:45 maemo extras supports only scratchbox built packages. I do not use sbox Mar 31 16:10:50 jott, dammit, it was already in maemo-hackers svn Mar 31 16:10:58 I just tweaked a couple things and it works here... Mar 31 16:11:01 solmumaha: and using fuse on tablet require also kernel change Mar 31 16:11:13 johnx: no Mar 31 16:11:19 Does it? I thought fuse was user space. Mar 31 16:11:24 jott, for some reason, i couldn't spot it in the patch list and made a new one... ...with a same name (just different order number) Mar 31 16:12:01 qwerty12: + kernel module Mar 31 16:12:20 hrw: it has a kernel module, no need to touch kernel Mar 31 16:12:38 ok then Mar 31 16:12:44 inz: yeah already spotted the trivial fix ;) Mar 31 16:13:04 jott, the fixes I made were different though Mar 31 16:13:14 jott, the other used >= 8 and the other > 7 ;) Mar 31 16:13:19 solmumaha: possible that I did not checked that. my n810 has fuse,nfs,ext2,ext3 and some other goodies in kernel Mar 31 16:13:29 jott, anyway, added the patch to garage svn too Mar 31 16:13:37 nice, thanks inz Mar 31 16:16:22 hrw: i only compiled fuse for ntfs support Mar 31 16:17:17 people then wanted sshfs etc so i compiled them too Mar 31 16:18:36 solmumaha: put packages into maemo-extras? Mar 31 16:19:40 * johnx tests how canola and smbnetfs play together... Mar 31 16:20:05 johnx: did it work? Mar 31 16:20:17 smbnetfs works great Mar 31 16:20:35 picked up all my open shares and looks fine in filemanager and CLI Mar 31 16:20:48 glad to hear it Mar 31 16:20:59 thanks, btw. :D Mar 31 16:21:16 what about password protected shares? Mar 31 16:22:38 I haven't tried one yet Mar 31 16:22:56 I dunno if I even have any password protected shares Mar 31 16:22:58 johnx: as long as you mount those shares somewhere in /home/user/ or otherwise none of maemo apps will not show it... Mar 31 16:23:14 hrw, yeah, I know Mar 31 16:23:37 I just mount them under /home/user/net/foo and ln -s the parts I want into MyDocs/foo/bar Mar 31 16:23:59 hrw: i don't have an account and i packaged them by hand so they aren't really extras ready Mar 31 16:24:28 solmumaha, so they aren't based on the debian packages? Mar 31 16:25:05 nope, made with ar and tar Mar 31 16:39:06 GeneralAntilles: Hey, where was it announced that diablo will have support for some kind of debian updating? Mar 31 16:39:23 Roadmap? Mar 31 16:39:26 Somewhere on maemo.org Mar 31 16:39:50 Back when everybody outside of Nokia was under the impression that Diablo = OS2009 Mar 31 16:46:54 sweet: also: Automatic codec installer - don't know if that's for diablo or not though : http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html Mar 31 16:48:59 i changed mplayer to media player in atabake config file but no change? why? Mar 31 16:50:10 post your .atabake/config on pastebin Mar 31 16:51:01 ok Mar 31 16:54:58 http://pastebin.com/m2dbcef36 Mar 31 16:55:30 and you just expect that it will guess what you mean by media player? Mar 31 16:55:53 Ehehe Mar 31 16:56:39 Does anyone have a list (not links -although if you have them, it would help :P) of security/hacking tools like nmap, metasploit, kismet that you can run on OS2008? Mar 31 16:56:44 johnx i changed all mplayer with media player Mar 31 16:57:01 lol wtf Mar 31 16:57:03 johnx what's wrong now? Mar 31 16:57:09 replace it with mplayer Mar 31 16:57:35 qwerty12 it was mplayer before i want media player Mar 31 16:57:41 qwerty12, he's trying to change it to "maemo media player" Mar 31 16:57:49 replace it with oms then Mar 31 16:57:49 Italodance, use "oms" not "media player" Mar 31 16:58:15 johnx ok so i use : Mar 31 16:58:25 oms = oms Mar 31 16:58:33 general = oms Mar 31 16:58:38 right? only this? Mar 31 16:59:00 yes? Mar 31 17:00:28 is that the whole file? did you just delete the rest of it? Mar 31 17:00:58 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/03/31/very-small-test-of-maemo-media-players/ Mar 31 17:02:36 done but canola can't full screen now Mar 31 17:02:37 ? Mar 31 17:03:05 not much we can do about it then. Mar 31 17:03:20 mplayer is meant to be used by default on purpose. Mar 31 17:03:23 qwerty12 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18176&page=16 Mar 31 17:04:07 I'm not seeing anything. But I think my page count is set higher. link me to the single post. Mar 31 17:04:44 Italodance, you messed up that file. You just guessed what needed to be in it, instead of reading about how to edit it. open xterm and run rm .atabake/config to make canola work again, then play a song and the file will be recreated correctly. then when you edit it again, just replace mplayer with oms Mar 31 17:05:14 GeneralAntilles: Ah. Found that also Quim Gil has been talking about the Seamless Software Updates (SSU). (http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-08-21.log.html) Mar 31 17:05:53 i changed it to mplayer again can be full screen too Mar 31 17:05:54 lol Mar 31 17:10:08 yawn Mar 31 17:10:55 Nice find, konttori. Mar 31 17:11:06 KotCzarny, always tired? :p Mar 31 17:11:07 can anyone tell me what I can do with my N770 thats useful? I seem to have a lot of problems with the stuff I'm attempting to run and don't understand others. Mar 31 17:11:14 qwerty: more like sleepy Mar 31 17:11:15 :) Mar 31 17:11:32 I'm really sleepy too and it's only 6 PM >.< Mar 31 17:11:33 :) Mar 31 17:11:33 qwerty: have you seen kciconsbox? ;) Mar 31 17:11:37 Stupid time difference Mar 31 17:11:40 tenspeed, all sorts of stuff. Mar 31 17:11:49 Basically everything the N8x0 can do, but slower. Mar 31 17:12:10 ah, i guess you have Mar 31 17:12:11 :) Mar 31 17:12:13 KotCzarny, Yes, I saw it and thanked you :). I haven't got around to installing yet though but a brilliant program :) Mar 31 17:12:29 for example: i got FBreader, kinda confused what books you read on it? How do I get the books on there in the first place too? Mar 31 17:12:55 tenspeed: read fbreader homepage Mar 31 17:12:55 btw. what's that thankingin thing for anyway? Mar 31 17:13:00 tenspeed, it may be worthwhile to visit the ITT wiki Mar 31 17:13:07 It covers a lot of stuff like that. Mar 31 17:13:25 baen has a lot of free stuff available Mar 31 17:13:30 as well as project gutenberg Mar 31 17:13:38 I was messing with GVM(palmos emulator) and everything I install crashes and stuff. I guess this is the norm? Mar 31 17:13:44 well you can read books in html format or in plucker format, and you can either plug your 770 directly into your computer to transfer the files over or download the books directly on the 770 from project gutenburg or similar Mar 31 17:13:48 HTML/RTF/TXT/Mobi/Plucker (non-drmed) stuff is what FBReader uses. Mar 31 17:13:52 KotCzarny, no idea :p :D Mar 31 17:13:58 :) Mar 31 17:13:59 tenspeed, GVM is very beta. Mar 31 17:14:06 Only works with a limited set of Palm applications. Mar 31 17:14:11 there is also a tool to automatically fetch stuff from project gutenberg Mar 31 17:14:12 is it like bonus points or respect ? Mar 31 17:14:13 :) Mar 31 17:14:22 oic, was thinking it was refined I guess Mar 31 17:14:41 are there any emulators that work a little better? Mar 31 17:14:51 pupnik.de Mar 31 17:15:19 Really, though, the truth is that the OMAP1710 is just a touch slow. :) Mar 31 17:15:23 I was googling for netrek client too called TODO, but nothing yet I guess. Maybe it never released? Mar 31 17:15:29 KotCzarny, maybe to clean up the forum and I guess for respect too :). I want to try the kciconsbox (should be useful with some crap game ports I've put out) but I'm restoring a backup ATM Mar 31 17:16:06 i should really make a proper package, but i just wanted to post the working version as soon as possible :) Mar 31 17:17:28 I hate packaging >.< (making that is). Unless you count PyPackager, I could never figure out how to make one. All I wanted was a deb of the directory structure I made and dh_make wants makefiles etc :p Mar 31 17:17:37 nah Mar 31 17:18:00 it's as simple as making debian/ dir and running dpkg-buildpackage Mar 31 17:18:00 ;) Mar 31 17:18:15 Not to me :P ;) Mar 31 17:18:25 GeneralAntilles: can it read DRM'ed stuff too? Mar 31 17:18:39 i will steal debian/ dir from canola Mar 31 17:18:39 Are you familiar with the DMCA, tenspeed? Mar 31 17:18:48 and *poof* package is ready :) Mar 31 17:18:51 lol Mar 31 17:19:00 DMCA: all the crappy laws about piracy? Mar 31 17:19:14 tenspeed, some formats can be "undrmed" Mar 31 17:19:14 Eh, more or less. Mar 31 17:19:27 But, no, it doesn't support DRMed formats Mar 31 17:19:32 Not because it's not possible Mar 31 17:19:44 that would be something like eReader on Palm or something right? Mar 31 17:19:46 but because the DMCA prevents them from doing so. Mar 31 17:20:19 ahaha...fuse/smbnetfs is much more responsive than the builtin gnomevfs/smb and I can skip around in songs with it too... Mar 31 17:20:42 johnx: have you seen my kciconsbox ? :) Mar 31 17:20:54 More or less, it's illegal to circumvent encryption. Mar 31 17:21:05 I saw the listing for it...but I mainly use apps that behave themselves :) Mar 31 17:21:09 GeneralAntilles: just gotta read around. I don't know much about all the formats and getting "the good stuff" on my reader Mar 31 17:21:17 johnx: mainly ;) Mar 31 17:21:30 it's for those rare blacksheeps ;) Mar 31 17:22:02 http://www.gutenberg.org/ http://www.baen.com/ Mar 31 17:22:06 Are both good places to start. Mar 31 17:22:11 KotCzarny, that just reminded of ABS Mar 31 17:22:16 There are . . . others, if you know where to look. Mar 31 17:22:16 *reminded me Mar 31 17:22:19 abs? Mar 31 17:22:29 Albino Black Sheep lol Mar 31 17:22:30 those muscles in your torso :) Mar 31 17:22:33 ah, ok ;) Mar 31 17:22:51 Anti-lock brakes? Mar 31 17:22:53 * johnx actually thought about anti-lock braking system... <_< Mar 31 17:22:57 GeneralAntilles: anything else you suggest installing. I've had this N770 for like 9 months and couldn't even install an application on it, but finally figured out it needed reflashing for some reason Mar 31 17:23:06 * KotCzarny thought about abs(); Mar 31 17:23:41 Canola, mplayer, Doom Mar 31 17:23:42 * jott wonders why basically only americans assume their laws would apply globally :P Mar 31 17:23:48 * qwerty12 agrees Mar 31 17:24:03 because they don't know nothing about world? Mar 31 17:24:05 :) Mar 31 17:24:11 good point :) Mar 31 17:24:15 jott, US government != americans Mar 31 17:24:34 GeneralAntilles: you talked about DMCA Mar 31 17:24:46 or are you US government? ;) Mar 31 17:24:53 KotCzarny: evert better steel the one from the canola-tunnig (real 1337 shell deb faking stuff) Mar 31 17:25:11 keesj: thx for tip :) Mar 31 17:25:15 jott, that's the reason. Mar 31 17:25:37 General Antilles: is there some way to stream videos on this thing away from home? Mar 31 17:25:38 Doesn't really have anything to do with my opinions on global application of american laws. :\ Mar 31 17:25:53 tenspeed, what's the upstream on your internet? Mar 31 17:26:00 and what OS do you run on your home computer? Mar 31 17:26:14 XP: 400k Mar 31 17:26:23 Ha Mar 31 17:26:25 XP, 100k I mean Mar 31 17:26:37 100Kbps or 100KB/sec? Mar 31 17:26:43 100kbps Mar 31 17:26:57 No, there's no way to stream videos to the 770 away from home. Mar 31 17:27:03 Unless you have an external host somewhere. Mar 31 17:27:11 flash streamer? Mar 31 17:27:19 might be 768kbps if I'm on wifi Mar 31 17:27:26 hehe 54kbps modem stream ;) Mar 31 17:27:35 everything is doable Mar 31 17:27:37 :) Mar 31 17:27:40 Huh? Mar 31 17:27:51 Your neighbor's wifi, or what? Mar 31 17:27:54 figured out I can pair with my HTC Touch phone, but limited to EVDO speed Mar 31 17:28:41 most people are used to the youtube video quality anyway ;) Mar 31 17:28:57 * GeneralAntilles slaps jott around with a ;) Mar 31 17:29:08 yeah Mar 31 17:29:18 hd is only fun on screen >40" Mar 31 17:29:19 ;) Mar 31 17:29:32 * jott ;)'s Mar 31 17:30:10 or sitting close to a 19" LCD :P Mar 31 17:30:34 or having good eyes Mar 31 17:30:35 or putting an 810 over each eye Mar 31 17:30:57 lcuk, that sounds like another great wood-working project for you :D Mar 31 17:31:05 ( i am thinking of doing a proper 3d projection with 2*400*480 Mar 31 17:31:08 :D Mar 31 17:31:10 lcuk: i have made kciconsbox Mar 31 17:31:10 a nice head-mountable N810 holding frame Mar 31 17:31:11 :) Mar 31 17:31:17 and it works ;) Mar 31 17:31:35 excellent - hope the little hint got you in the right direction Mar 31 17:31:39 yup Mar 31 17:31:44 :D Mar 31 17:31:48 thanks for your help :) Mar 31 17:32:33 np, its a learning curve for all Mar 31 17:32:48 but i will have to rewrite it for xlib Mar 31 17:32:56 startup is slow because of import gtk Mar 31 17:33:22 and take quite a bit of ram ~10mb Mar 31 17:33:22 arent all py apps so sluggish though Mar 31 17:33:39 use the launcher? Mar 31 17:33:41 but i hope shared libs are shared properly Mar 31 17:34:00 juhaz: does it help with pygtk ? Mar 31 17:34:08 would it be quicker using the library you found all wrapped up inside a single c exe? Mar 31 17:34:15 lcuk: yes Mar 31 17:34:24 that's what i meant with xlib rewrite Mar 31 17:34:47 ahh - i thought xlib was the front end of choice in python.. Mar 31 17:34:54 no Mar 31 17:35:00 it's standard x.org lib Mar 31 17:35:04 well then all in one will be better :) Mar 31 17:35:10 KotCzarny, it should Mar 31 17:35:40 in fact, as far as I got the announcement, that's the only module it helps with so far Mar 31 17:36:01 :) Mar 31 17:36:06 hehe Mar 31 17:36:23 but quite a bit of apps use pygtk Mar 31 17:36:26 hrm, is there any way to flash or boot a different kernel on the device itself? Mar 31 17:36:32 vlad: yes Mar 31 17:36:40 google for fanoush kernel flasher Mar 31 17:36:49 danke Mar 31 17:37:20 KotCzarny: that one does run after the kernel is loaded right? Mar 31 17:37:57 but the standard nokia flasher and the 0xffff flash booth support flashing of a kernel Mar 31 17:39:39 keesj: fanoush flasher is a simple script to make mtd-utils easier Mar 31 17:39:40 :) Mar 31 17:39:47 also pads the kernel etc Mar 31 17:40:11 it is pretty asome indeed Mar 31 17:40:24 yeah, and straight forward to use Mar 31 17:40:32 general:I got it to stream videos, but for some reason I can't see any music on my media server with Windows Media Play and mplayer on the Nokia Mar 31 17:40:50 KotCzarny: but it not not flash the kernel :p Mar 31 17:41:03 keesj: i'm talking about kernel flasher, not initfs flasher Mar 31 17:41:07 :) Mar 31 17:41:16 there are two of them, you know Mar 31 17:41:24 (two scripts, that is) Mar 31 17:41:37 hmm interesting.. Mar 31 17:41:50 you should read fanoush's page in whole Mar 31 17:41:53 Windows Media Play is proprietary, no? Mar 31 17:41:58 it has many usefull information Mar 31 17:42:02 Besides, mplayer doesn't support shared media like that. Mar 31 17:50:04 hrm, is the rx-34-kernel that's in the repo the one from the latest image? Mar 31 17:50:11 probably Mar 31 17:50:12 I guess it must be Mar 31 17:50:23 but get randr patches Mar 31 17:50:26 :) Mar 31 17:50:36 mmm, tempting Mar 31 17:50:41 I'd have to rebuild though Mar 31 17:50:42 sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 31 17:50:51 and I just want oprofile at the moment Mar 31 17:51:34 anybody have experience with implementing a tap-and-hold popup menu? Mar 31 17:52:06 tap Mar 31 17:52:06 hold Mar 31 17:52:06 damn Mar 31 17:52:07 tap Mar 31 17:52:09 hold Mar 31 17:52:11 ahhh damn Mar 31 17:52:12 lol Mar 31 17:52:22 is damning part of the process? Mar 31 17:52:33 a user interface necessity but a user interface nightmare Mar 31 17:52:39 i curse everytime i use it Mar 31 17:52:50 yeah, it should have a button Mar 31 17:52:51 :) Mar 31 17:53:05 or simply have reverse magnet on the other end Mar 31 17:53:15 it shouldnt be needed - we should be able to choose either a double tap or a button or leave as is Mar 31 17:54:04 lcuk, tap'n'hold should be much improved in Diablo. Mar 31 17:54:19 i am trying to connect a popup menu to a drawing area via tap-and-hold .... i don't seem to get any response... and I'm wondering if there are any gtk.gdk flags I might need to set on the drawingarea to enable the tap and hold Mar 31 17:54:21 infact, the better would be a single tap should bring a menu up if there is one, and a tap/slide action should do whatever else Mar 31 17:54:47 So, instead of activating a link, you get a contextual menu? Mar 31 17:55:00 menu shuldn't hide after picking up stylus Mar 31 17:55:12 not a single day goes by where I don't curse at my IT's UI. Mar 31 17:55:16 in the broser the tap takes > 1 second anyway so you could have it responding to a second tap easilr Mar 31 17:55:17 it's hard to keep the pressure Mar 31 17:55:22 I almost smashed it last night again. Mar 31 17:55:28 this is in pymaemo btw Mar 31 17:56:01 buck, im not sure, does it work if you try it on a windows/linux desktop box? are there examples (there are for everything else) Mar 31 17:56:37 fysa, if you want to smash it ill make you a wooden replica and you can smash that and ill have your real one :) Mar 31 17:56:54 haha Mar 31 17:57:05 KotCzarny, it used to work that way in OS2007 Mar 31 17:57:13 johnx: damn Mar 31 17:57:14 buck68, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?TapAndHold&id=40&type=g Mar 31 17:57:35 AFAIR, there weren Mar 31 17:57:37 I think it's a bug though or something, so it should get fixed Mar 31 17:57:45 btw. i have found finger operations need quite a pressure Mar 31 17:57:47 I really want to use the stylus to highlight partial text in a browser textfield, have the keyboard come up and let me type to replace that text. Mar 31 17:57:48 there weren't any flags Mar 31 17:57:55 sensitivity should be configurable Mar 31 17:58:00 I do NOT want to click left dpad a million fucking times to get to the start of the textfield. askdsjdsjds Mar 31 17:58:13 KotCzarny, ill send you over something later which allows a bit of testing of the pressure and stuff Mar 31 17:58:21 i have rawmouse working and have been playing a bit :) Mar 31 17:59:09 lcuk: yeah, i have seen the code Mar 31 17:59:19 but it should be system wide config option Mar 31 17:59:23 fysa, are you on an 800 Mar 31 17:59:50 yes. an N810 would probably solve half of my frustrations. Mar 31 18:00:04 KotCzarny, agreed :) but basically touch/tap shouldnt really be treated differently Mar 31 18:00:49 I am in a holding period, waiting for a higher performance/more RAM (it's really needed with this browser) -- or an optimized webkit browser. Mar 31 18:00:51 fbreader gives you options to adjust touch tap things and ries to do stuff, but theres no play area to configure it and it moves multiple annoying pages Mar 31 18:00:53 lcuk, doesn't matter, what i want is control-panel app for it Mar 31 18:00:54 :) Mar 31 18:01:45 fysa, I'm waiting for Diablo. :D Mar 31 18:01:51 . Mar 31 18:02:04 I work from home, and would love to use my device to catch up on Google Reader outside on the deck/couch -- you know, to relax away from the desk for a bit during lunch or such. Mar 31 18:02:12 The problem is using this device is not relaxing in the least. Mar 31 18:02:24 it will be, it will Mar 31 18:02:26 it's a battle. Mar 31 18:02:26 * KotCzarny grins Mar 31 18:02:40 at least making apps for it isn't a problem Mar 31 18:02:53 does links compile for maemo? wont the experience be faster? Mar 31 18:02:59 lcuk: yes Mar 31 18:03:08 want my patched version? Mar 31 18:03:36 sure, ill give it a blast - ive never used it on normal linux but it will be good to see Mar 31 18:03:37 i have made scrollbar and back 'button' bigger Mar 31 18:03:57 and probably something else Mar 31 18:04:05 someone has webkit-based midori packaged. Mar 31 18:04:18 the only thing that made browsing barable for me with standard browser was making dpad move by page Mar 31 18:04:39 * lcuk curses his keyboard Mar 31 18:04:41 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/links.gz Mar 31 18:04:52 lcuk, spacebar should page. Mar 31 18:04:53 tap Mar 31 18:05:12 shift-spacebar should go back Mar 31 18:05:15 damn tap n open isnt working here.. Mar 31 18:05:23 Then you can use the browser without even having to touch the screen. Mar 31 18:05:48 im left handed anyway - i can never use the screen because my hand covers it to reach the scrollbar Mar 31 18:06:11 use xkbd :) Mar 31 18:06:40 i can be made to show different layouts/positions on the scrren Mar 31 18:06:44 screen Mar 31 18:06:52 why? ive got a kb underneath :) Mar 31 18:07:07 * KotCzarny doesn't Mar 31 18:07:11 ;) Mar 31 18:07:48 does usbhost work for 800? Mar 31 18:07:51 yes Mar 31 18:08:15 works really well too :D Mar 31 18:08:16 * lcuk kicks his browser - kot, your mime types are messed up, firefox wanted to open as text and now it wont download Mar 31 18:08:23 heh Mar 31 18:08:25 WARNING: MIME FIELD Mar 31 18:08:25 ok, moment Mar 31 18:08:41 left handed here also. very painful. Mar 31 18:08:45 links.exe.gz Mar 31 18:08:46 ;) Mar 31 18:09:23 and it's not the mimetypes i guess Mar 31 18:09:32 probably because of lack of extension Mar 31 18:09:35 I'm right handed but I don't use a stylus anyways, just thumbs on the screen. Maybe some of you lefties should give it a shot? Mar 31 18:09:52 shot in a thumb? Mar 31 18:09:55 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 31 18:09:59 * lcuk quickly wipes his screen after john used it Mar 31 18:10:11 someone doesn't want me to use my thumb to browe, because they refuse to make the scrollbar a decent size. Mar 31 18:10:15 browse Mar 31 18:10:23 yeah, that would be nice Mar 31 18:10:27 fusa: that's what drag anywhere is for Mar 31 18:10:30 I use my right thumb nail for it though Mar 31 18:10:34 to make scrollbars obsolete Mar 31 18:10:39 you'd think.. Mar 31 18:10:48 but try a page that's 10-20x window height Mar 31 18:10:55 it quickly becomes a treadmill Mar 31 18:10:59 yeah, well the drag anywhere in microb has a ways left to go Mar 31 18:11:01 yeah.. i know Mar 31 18:11:20 anyways, web scrollbar -> right thumbnail Mar 31 18:11:27 ahh but they gave you a painful way to scroll in page (like my bookreader;)) which if you slow down enough and wait for the page to download and everything to initialise and all the background processes to stop and dont click on a link and dont have anyone around you and are in the right country will actually scroll down the page for you :) Mar 31 18:11:48 (but only after the gps initialises ;)) Mar 31 18:11:58 hehe Mar 31 18:12:19 lcdd, eh...it's meant to be used. In 2 years when the screen dies from my abuse their will be something better/faster/cheaper anyways Mar 31 18:12:31 gah...lcuk, not lcdd. sorry lcdd :| Mar 31 18:12:37 lol Mar 31 18:12:40 misifre Mar 31 18:12:41 tabuser Mar 31 18:12:41 * johnx loses Mar 31 18:12:44 ;) Mar 31 18:12:49 guilty as charged :P Mar 31 18:12:51 <<< FAIL Mar 31 18:13:16 its always the way when you are correcting someone else that you make more mistakes - seen all over /. Mar 31 18:13:25 also, glasses wipes work great on gadget screens :D Mar 31 18:13:55 im not too bothered by touching this screen, its not that bad Mar 31 18:14:03 nope Mar 31 18:14:05 someone said 810 came with a special wipe Mar 31 18:14:11 once you get corrected you make less mistakes Mar 31 18:14:11 i must have been conned Mar 31 18:14:12 :) Mar 31 18:14:20 fewer? Mar 31 18:14:21 ':) Mar 31 18:15:04 * lcuk is still waiting for htis download to kick in Mar 31 18:15:10 * lcuk restarts the internet Mar 31 18:15:22 I used to be so obsessive about not getting my screen smudged, then I got an N800 with no stylus and just kind of gave up :D Mar 31 18:15:44 a pencil works just fine Mar 31 18:16:18 I like the Boxwave anti-glare for smudge reduction. Mar 31 18:16:23 i use a pen but have to check the lid is on Mar 31 18:16:46 a bit difficult sometimes because i have a notepad in front of me at all times Mar 31 18:16:52 but for the lefties out there I bet tapping on the screen with thumbs will work better. (also thumb tapping is easier when standing on the train) Mar 31 18:16:53 nails Mar 31 18:16:59 nine inch nails! Mar 31 18:17:00 chewed Mar 31 18:17:03 ;) Mar 31 18:17:17 lcuk: leave 2 nails unchewed Mar 31 18:17:33 you can chew two of your toe nails instead if you need to :D Mar 31 18:17:45 yuck! Mar 31 18:17:55 socks! Mar 31 18:17:56 ;) Mar 31 18:18:05 w00t - manually clicking link told me firefox didnt know the protocol. but saving as just left it in downloads Mar 31 18:18:20 * lcuk puts his foot in mouth more often than not Mar 31 18:18:21 bug? Mar 31 18:18:34 firefox only Mar 31 18:18:37 i think Mar 31 18:19:17 I think canola is trying to be clever and not recurse down a different file system for scanning... Mar 31 18:19:25 johnx: bug! Mar 31 18:19:44 it might be intentional... Mar 31 18:19:56 the media player is showing similar behavior Mar 31 18:20:34 lcuk: #kotc, i can't respond on priv ;) Mar 31 18:20:49 tenspeed: still around? Mar 31 18:20:49 kot, i know i was just showing the links without reposting Mar 31 18:20:56 k k Mar 31 18:24:06 lcuk: but for links you will need kciconsbox too Mar 31 18:24:09 ;) Mar 31 18:24:26 ill grab source :P Mar 31 18:24:32 for links without for now Mar 31 18:24:54 huh? Mar 31 18:24:55 hmmm intershit exploder works with either link Mar 31 18:25:09 mine grammar parses has just failed Mar 31 18:25:10 links depends on kciconbox Mar 31 18:25:14 *parser Mar 31 18:25:22 internet explorer opens both links Mar 31 18:25:39 firefox doesnt like your domain name, it thinks it smells Mar 31 18:25:54 i think it doesn't like :23280 part Mar 31 18:27:13 ahhh well i have now. whos got a blog round here and which are good and nice enough to allow code upload and comments etc Mar 31 18:33:22 ok, bbl Mar 31 18:34:28 * johnx watches canola index 13GB of music over smbnetfs Mar 31 18:34:41 johnx: media libraries.. suck! Mar 31 18:34:48 (metadata, that is) Mar 31 18:34:48 ;) Mar 31 18:35:02 actually, I just want to torture test smbnetfs Mar 31 18:35:10 johnx: how about xmms? Mar 31 18:35:15 how about it? Mar 31 18:35:22 it's nice Mar 31 18:35:23 :) Mar 31 18:35:31 and supports many different formats Mar 31 18:35:33 it's not as thumb friendly as canola Mar 31 18:35:37 all my stuff is mp3 Mar 31 18:35:40 it is Mar 31 18:35:45 just press double size Mar 31 18:35:46 :) Mar 31 18:36:15 ok, bbl Mar 31 18:36:16 anyways, canola is done and playing music nicely :) Mar 31 19:20:31 does anybody here want a Jaiku invite, before I throw them onto jaikuinvites.com ? Mar 31 19:21:06 is jaiku any good? Mar 31 19:22:31 MangoFusion, I think it mostly depends on whether there are any people on there that interest you. Mar 31 19:22:36 (as with most social sites) Mar 31 19:22:44 haha yes Mar 31 19:22:47 Jaiku: YASW Mar 31 19:22:59 not really gotten into the "micro blogging" scene yet Mar 31 19:24:20 It's sorta like slow IRC for people who aren't l33t enough for IRC. :P Mar 31 19:24:29 I can't say it excited me all that much. Mar 31 19:25:49 denny: i'll have an invite if you like. gotta try out these things, i think :) Mar 31 19:26:01 hokay - throw me an email address Mar 31 19:26:07 jamesu at gmail.com Mar 31 19:27:29 tis underway Mar 31 19:28:51 many thanks Mar 31 19:28:57 you're welcome Mar 31 19:34:30 bye Mar 31 19:55:53 I wonder if Canola can be made to work with AirTunes. Mar 31 19:56:29 Or with mythtv ;) Mar 31 19:56:31 http://raop-play.sourceforge.net/ Mar 31 19:58:10 Canola would make a nice whole-house-audio jukebox controller. Mar 31 19:58:38 if there was a way to get simple audio without having to wire it directly to the stereo system. Mar 31 20:01:19 :> Mar 31 20:01:24 nas Mar 31 20:06:39 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4318 Mar 31 20:06:41 d'oh Mar 31 20:09:45 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4319 Mar 31 20:09:46 hjeehehe Mar 31 20:09:47 nas might be a solution for audio, but I want video as well. Mar 31 20:10:00 And - with a neat (canola?) gui :) Mar 31 20:10:10 blafasel, hmm, mmpd ? Mar 31 20:10:13 or the client? Mar 31 20:10:46 or anything that you can control with a browser :) Mar 31 20:13:17 KotCzarny: Client, on the nokia Mar 31 20:13:32 And no, please not yet another web gui ;) Mar 31 20:13:43 i like web guis Mar 31 20:13:53 for interoperability it's a 100% hit Mar 31 20:13:54 :) Mar 31 20:14:05 I don't. For usability it's a compromise Mar 31 20:14:11 probably Mar 31 20:14:20 good enough [tm] for me Mar 31 20:14:46 i think there's mmpd client too Mar 31 20:15:07 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mmpc/ Mar 31 20:15:13 MMPC is a frontend for the Music Player Daemon. The player interface got especially designed to be used as a remote control. MMPC is based on gmpc, and thus contains a lot of features. Mar 31 20:15:15 :) Mar 31 20:15:33 though alpha status Mar 31 20:17:27 Nice anyway, thanks for the hint Mar 31 20:17:31 np Mar 31 20:17:45 Got my eeePC today, comparing features and usecases ;) Mar 31 20:18:03 you should assume that if there's an app for linux, there is a n8x0's version too Mar 31 20:18:04 :) Mar 31 20:18:20 KotCzarny: Give me Neverwinter Nights, then ;) Mar 31 20:18:25 if not packaged yet, then simple compile will be enough Mar 31 20:18:26 ;) Mar 31 20:18:39 blafasel: no problem, but give me 3d drivers first Mar 31 20:18:39 ;) Mar 31 20:19:03 Actually I'd be satisfied if you could offer me Oracle binaries.. =) Mar 31 20:19:11 how about playing nwn over vnc? ;) Mar 31 20:19:42 Na, of course I'm just kidding. I'm happy with both devices (and switched my workstation to linux after quite some month again as well) Mar 31 20:19:55 mhm Mar 31 20:20:05 they have a little different uses Mar 31 20:20:14 so comparing them isn't quite right Mar 31 20:22:29 Well, that's what I said: I compare features and usecases. Mar 31 20:22:38 ok Mar 31 20:44:16 boo Mar 31 20:46:03 Needs mono to run but should work fine. Mar 31 21:01:14 KotCzarny, ok then, here are the 3d drivers, you get on with nvn ;) http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us Mar 31 21:19:16 sup Mar 31 21:19:21 monday Mar 31 21:19:36 anyone heard anything about the n800 doing a price drop? Mar 31 21:19:46 all thye time Mar 31 21:19:47 It's not gonna get any lower. Mar 31 21:19:47 :) Mar 31 21:20:01 :< Mar 31 21:20:03 get them while they're hot! Mar 31 21:20:04 ;) Mar 31 21:20:18 Well, maybe it will if you're not in the US. Mar 31 21:20:22 But It wont get any lower in the US. Mar 31 21:21:24 it might do Mar 31 21:22:47 Much lower and you hit the "why are we selling these things again?" stage. Mar 31 21:22:48 besides gps and keyboard, is there any advantage to the N800? Mar 31 21:23:00 N810, you mean? Mar 31 21:23:02 advantage to the N810 Mar 31 21:23:04 nope Mar 31 21:23:05 yeah pardon Mar 31 21:23:06 Transflective display Mar 31 21:23:06 GeneralAntilles, ya but its a bit pricey for students still Mar 31 21:23:09 only disadvantages Mar 31 21:23:18 like n800 has 2 sdhs slots Mar 31 21:23:22 Everything is pricy for students. Mar 31 21:23:22 what, like all their phone models ? i can pick up old model nokias which were £3-400 new for peanuts now, still brand new mint in the box Mar 31 21:23:25 so it's ~ 64gb of flash Mar 31 21:23:26 :) Mar 31 21:23:33 Your personal budget doesn't determine component costs. ;) Mar 31 21:23:40 yes the dual SDHC are pushing me towards a N800 Mar 31 21:23:49 GeneralAntilles, maybe so but they can die shrink Mar 31 21:23:54 also i like bluetooth keyboards more than small integrated ones Mar 31 21:23:59 GeneralAntilles, id be willing to bet they arent at 45nm Mar 31 21:24:04 tsukasa_, that doesn't change component costs. Mar 31 21:24:08 Of course they aren't Mar 31 21:24:10 tsukasa: how about second hand? Mar 31 21:24:14 i got mine for 150$ Mar 31 21:24:15 OMAP2 will never be at 45nm Mar 31 21:24:19 hmm maybe Mar 31 21:24:21 with screen protectors already Mar 31 21:24:22 :) Mar 31 21:24:28 That doesn't change the price of all the other parts. Mar 31 21:24:44 rektide, i have an 810 AND i have a bt keyboard. the 810 thumb board is such a relief to have because there will be somewhere you go that needs a board and you KNOW you wont have an extra one all the time Mar 31 21:25:09 The fullscreen keyboard on the N800 is really quite workable. Mar 31 21:25:23 i agree its workable, but its distracting Mar 31 21:25:31 yup Mar 31 21:25:35 especially compared to the one just below my screen Mar 31 21:25:38 we need transluent osk Mar 31 21:25:49 then it would rock Mar 31 21:26:11 get the pvr working and that stops being a problem :) Mar 31 21:26:14 nope Mar 31 21:26:20 1fps will be enough Mar 31 21:26:23 for that Mar 31 21:26:45 you say this, but its not - i type at more than 1 fps, you have to update both the screen in the background, then merge with the actual board Mar 31 21:26:58 have we heard any communication about possible use of the PowerVR stuff onboard? Mar 31 21:27:19 i presume its still totally unutilized Mar 31 21:27:20 lcuk: then it should include 'type string' field too Mar 31 21:27:20 yes, we have heard *ERROR: null pointer* Mar 31 21:27:36 erm. typed string Mar 31 21:27:51 your joke is crude but i think i get the point Mar 31 21:28:06 but your 1fps wouldnt work, because i have to merge my string with the background Mar 31 21:28:37 its the blending that kills it: to answer blendtec: no it won't blend. Mar 31 21:28:40 lcuk: have you seen full screen osk mode? Mar 31 21:28:49 yes i had it on for a while at first Mar 31 21:28:59 then add transluency to it Mar 31 21:29:03 before i abandoned it because it was flakey Mar 31 21:29:03 that's my point Mar 31 21:29:45 ie. i would like osk that: Mar 31 21:29:49 1/ full screen Mar 31 21:29:53 2/ thumb friendly Mar 31 21:30:00 3/ transluent Mar 31 21:30:02 but thats the point i am making, to backup a screen full of pixels(desktop) and merge with a screen full of pixels(kb) into the framebuffer takes time Mar 31 21:30:20 4/ could include 'typed string field' for quick corrections Mar 31 21:30:28 may be refreshed at 30fps Mar 31 21:30:35 and whole background at 1fps Mar 31 21:30:54 try it yourself with a static image Mar 31 21:31:08 lcuk: i have tried xcompmgr Mar 31 21:31:09 it works Mar 31 21:31:10 take a screenshot of the standard screen and a screenshot of the keyboard Mar 31 21:31:15 and use photoshop or whatever Mar 31 21:31:15 slow, but ~10fps Mar 31 21:31:19 lets see how it looks Mar 31 21:31:36 does xcomp work then? Mar 31 21:31:44 yes Mar 31 21:31:47 but slow Mar 31 21:31:54 because of lacking pvr drivers Mar 31 21:32:10 you don't even have to flash or reboot Mar 31 21:32:18 it's runtime tunable Mar 31 21:32:44 and does it give effect your after? or is it too slow? Mar 31 21:32:46 wanna binary? Mar 31 21:32:52 you will test yourself Mar 31 21:33:15 it only enables windows shadows Mar 31 21:33:25 and probably whole transparency in xomap Mar 31 21:33:38 but i didn't have anything to test it Mar 31 21:33:54 hang on, i saw something last night Mar 31 21:33:57 maybe with cairo i could test Mar 31 21:35:48 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/utils/xcompmgr Mar 31 21:35:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16720&page=2 Mar 31 21:36:00 cairo indeed :) Mar 31 21:36:10 scroll down there Mar 31 21:36:14 yeah Mar 31 21:36:20 i have seen it Mar 31 21:36:20 there is an example of clock plugin for maemo desktop Mar 31 21:36:33 * lcuk knew this conversation sounded familiar Mar 31 21:36:37 ;) Mar 31 21:37:37 what X does os2008 use? Mar 31 21:37:42 xomap Mar 31 21:37:42 question - can the n810 use monitor mode on its wireless interface? Mar 31 21:37:44 maybe worth a cairo test outside the desktop Mar 31 21:37:47 Xomap Mar 31 21:38:03 alright, hadnt heard of that one, thanks Mar 31 21:38:09 oob? monitor mode? you mean display a screen on a monitor or monitor debug output Mar 31 21:38:16 kismet Mar 31 21:38:17 ;) Mar 31 21:38:41 use, monitor mode as in "kismet." monitor mode as opposed to ad-hoc or managed Mar 31 21:38:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_mode Mar 31 21:39:29 ahhh ty Mar 31 21:40:09 I wonder how many people actually want to use kismet for valid research or job-related tasks. <_< Mar 31 21:40:34 Be nice if the WiMAX model could work in master. Mar 31 21:40:40 oob: i guess it's possible Mar 31 21:40:43 Make a neat little WiMAX hotspot. Mar 31 21:40:54 because i have seen util to turn off monitor mode Mar 31 21:40:56 without reboot Mar 31 21:40:57 ;) Mar 31 21:41:06 GeneralAntilles, i do. i legitimately want to use other people's internet connections Mar 31 21:41:24 KotCzarny, thanks Mar 31 21:41:48 don't know if you won't have to compile another driver for wlan though Mar 31 21:42:02 Pfft Mar 31 21:42:30 That's never legitimate. Mar 31 21:42:44 the "want" is legitimate Mar 31 21:43:11 yes it is. just because he has to knock the door down to get access doesnt mean its not legitimate Mar 31 21:43:12 so wimax has nothing to do with wireless n right? the wimax chip is its own thing and doesnt do backwards compat with n/g/etc Mar 31 21:43:24 yes Mar 31 21:43:29 that sucks Mar 31 21:43:30 it's more like gsm Mar 31 21:43:34 than wlan Mar 31 21:43:41 they making a n version of the n810 i hope Mar 31 21:43:46 does it roam? Mar 31 21:43:49 or 800 actually Mar 31 21:43:51 tsukasa_, WiMAX is basically cellular data Mar 31 21:43:52 is can i use it on the train? Mar 31 21:44:03 lcuk: probably Mar 31 21:44:06 and/or last-mile data Mar 31 21:44:11 cool Mar 31 21:44:21 Why would they make an N version of an old device? Mar 31 21:44:23 it has range of ~70km Mar 31 21:44:31 and its made of rainbows Mar 31 21:44:32 so it would take some time between roams Mar 31 21:44:32 GeneralAntilles, not all of us want gps Mar 31 21:44:38 _+ built up areas , ymmv Mar 31 21:44:52 we'll see what its actual delivery is Mar 31 21:44:54 not all of us get it Mar 31 21:44:56 tsukasa_, why would they update an OMAP2 device when OMAP3 is coming out? Mar 31 21:45:06 omap? Mar 31 21:45:12 You can't even saturate G with either device. Mar 31 21:45:20 WiMAX is slower than G Mar 31 21:45:32 GeneralAntilles, its not about the saturation its about the range Mar 31 21:45:34 rektide, I'd hope so. :P Mar 31 21:45:43 G has very short range Mar 31 21:45:46 also Mar 31 21:45:47 they added it because it was easy to add. Mar 31 21:45:50 Meh, N range isn't all it's cracked up to be. Mar 31 21:45:51 wimax connected at ANY speed is better than wifi disconnected. Mar 31 21:45:54 wimax can be fast Mar 31 21:46:02 GeneralAntilles, its a hell of a lot better then G Mar 31 21:46:06 wimax needs a wimax network Mar 31 21:46:14 G needs Mar 31 21:46:17 G network Mar 31 21:46:18 you'd have to redesign the mobo for OMAP3, adding WiMAX was just throwing on another chip Mar 31 21:46:19 who of you lives in covered area? Mar 31 21:46:27 umts would be better Mar 31 21:46:27 covered by what? Mar 31 21:46:32 covered by wimax Mar 31 21:46:33 yes, yes it would glass. Mar 31 21:46:39 A commonly-held misconception is that WiMAX will deliver 70 Mbit/s over 50 kilometers. In reality, WiMAX can do one or the other \u2014 operating over maximum range (50 km) increases bit error rate and thus must use a lower bitrate. Lowering the range allows a device to operate at higher bitrates. Mar 31 21:46:49 with umts, i see no need for wimax Mar 31 21:46:55 i'm using umts right now Mar 31 21:46:56 Canada Mar 31 21:47:04 so at short ranges it's FASTER than G Mar 31 21:47:04 WiMAX is the holy grail up there. Mar 31 21:47:09 the only advantage of wimax is i think you can get infrastructure for public bands. not so with umts / hspda Mar 31 21:47:11 glass, I agree. Mar 31 21:47:53 the G extensions for 108mbps are fairly intercompatible Mar 31 21:48:08 also, G is fairly crowded Mar 31 21:48:10 then again i only use atheros gear so of course they're intercompaitble.... Mar 31 21:48:18 so you won't max out it Mar 31 21:48:21 LOCALLY yes, but can you take your G out wherever you are? Mar 31 21:49:04 also wimax band will be probably private Mar 31 21:49:14 so you won't have problems with neighbours Mar 31 21:49:58 This spec is mooted as a 1Gbit/s version of WiMax, Mar 31 21:50:04 hmmm Manchester ahead of the game :) Mar 31 21:50:55 http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/comment/2184698/manchester-gets-ahead-game Mar 31 21:51:03 * lcuk dances cos he can already do wiman Mar 31 21:51:07 x Mar 31 21:51:31 but is it worth the price of living in manchester? Mar 31 21:51:53 theres a network on the old gsm band here Mar 31 21:51:57 i admit, thats a terrible drag, but now I am here i might as well make use of it. Mar 31 21:51:58 err... nmt Mar 31 21:52:16 horribly expensive service with transfer limits and shit Mar 31 21:52:18 actually, no its not - Manchester is amazing. we started the computer revolution. we have a great uni Mar 31 21:52:24 we have ermmm chip shops Mar 31 21:52:27 and drug dealers Mar 31 21:52:39 ok youre right Mar 31 21:52:45 long range, good bw in theory but the cells are so big they get crowded i imagine, so the need for limits Mar 31 21:53:13 or just use more cells at the higher bandwidth Mar 31 21:53:29 large range/low density will be great for canada type places Mar 31 21:53:42 short range high density will be good for city centre Mar 31 21:54:03 lcuk, canada type places... you mean the middle of nowhere? ;) Mar 31 21:54:23 well, you are somewhere but its a long walk into town Mar 31 21:57:16 hang on, wimax is microwave. are we really expected to use microwaves on our laptops/portables? what happens to our ermmm fixed assets? Mar 31 21:57:32 WiMAX doesn't have a spectrum. Mar 31 21:57:58 my biggest interest will be ltanecy Mar 31 21:58:05 anyone else feel like nokia is just making shit up as they go? Mar 31 21:58:09 if wimax has better latency than HSDPA that'll be sweet Mar 31 21:58:12 intel has these nice 5 year roadmaps Mar 31 21:58:14 nokia its like Mar 31 21:58:25 so........ new product....... uhh........ black? Mar 31 21:58:35 intel doesnt announce consumer products Mar 31 21:58:37 isnt that how they make their phones? Mar 31 21:58:42 they also currently have no competition Mar 31 21:58:46 rektide, yeah they do Mar 31 21:58:53 eeny meeny miny mo, which color shall we go Mar 31 21:58:55 sandy bridge '10 Mar 31 21:59:04 i guess in the mobile world, they're trying to do something now that they sold off their ARM division Mar 31 21:59:05 * KotCzarny could use black faceplate for n800 Mar 31 21:59:06 :) Mar 31 21:59:17 spray paint Mar 31 21:59:19 re-break into the market Mar 31 21:59:20 this one is too shiny Mar 31 21:59:22 tsukasa_, they have a plan Mar 31 21:59:24 it's just not open Mar 31 21:59:25 spray paint is unhealthy Mar 31 21:59:26 spray paint looks awsome if done right Mar 31 21:59:34 aka crudely Mar 31 21:59:35 as they aren't trying to sell their stuff to OEMs and developers. Mar 31 21:59:35 more like toxic Mar 31 21:59:36 :) Mar 31 21:59:38 rubberised matt as well Mar 31 21:59:43 GA: exactly Mar 31 21:59:45 Nokia is selling to consumers, so their plan is closed Mar 31 21:59:47 Like Apple. Mar 31 21:59:59 they sound like cylons Mar 31 22:00:01 GeneralAntilles, you sound like you know someone on the inside Mar 31 22:00:08 uhhh what? Mar 31 22:00:11 GeneralAntilles, does the letter N mean anything to you? Mar 31 22:00:14 >> Mar 31 22:00:19 what makes you say that tsukasa? Mar 31 22:00:26 oh you just want someone to talk about N. :/ Mar 31 22:00:27 just a guess Mar 31 22:00:30 yes Mar 31 22:00:39 I know people on the inside Mar 31 22:00:39 but why? you cant even max out a G. Mar 31 22:00:40 no kia Mar 31 22:00:47 rektide, range Mar 31 22:00:59 but I'm not privy to any privalaged information. Mar 31 22:01:07 what you need is a bluetooth wifi-N adapter. :) Mar 31 22:01:17 and the fact that all mobile phone operators are setting up to supply worldwide wimax Mar 31 22:01:23 GeneralAntilles, is the leap from n810 to the next iteration a substantial improvement eg 790 to 800 Mar 31 22:01:25 You'd know them too if you'd been involved with the community as long as I've been. Mar 31 22:01:32 GeneralAntilles, or is it like more of the same Mar 31 22:01:35 umts is already here, wimax is just a promise Mar 31 22:01:40 * lcuk didnt know there were nokia ppl lurking Mar 31 22:01:48 Like I said, I'm not privy to anything privileged. Mar 31 22:01:50 who's lurking? Mar 31 22:01:51 tsukasa_: nokias roadmaps are in-house Mar 31 22:01:52 umts needs a sim Mar 31 22:02:01 there's really not that much further the OMAP2 can go. Mar 31 22:02:01 i suppose wimax will as well Mar 31 22:02:05 There's no such thing as a "790" Mar 31 22:02:10 780* Mar 31 22:02:15 770* Mar 31 22:02:17 try 770 Mar 31 22:02:18 ..yet Mar 31 22:02:19 thank you Mar 31 22:02:23 :) np Mar 31 22:02:32 nokia has weird policy on device numbering Mar 31 22:02:36 Bigger, is my guess. Mar 31 22:02:40 not as weird as say microsoft Mar 31 22:02:41 so we may yet see N123 Mar 31 22:02:42 OMAP3 is some hot shit. Mar 31 22:02:43 for example Mar 31 22:02:47 OMAP3 is pretty sweet. Mar 31 22:02:48 KotCzarny: numbering is just marketing.. Mar 31 22:02:52 xbox 360... what happened to the other 358 models Mar 31 22:02:58 KotCzarny: others have just as weird Mar 31 22:03:02 thrown out? ;) Mar 31 22:03:06 one expects the higher the better Mar 31 22:03:08 They burnt up in a fire when their power supplies lit up. Mar 31 22:03:16 haha +1 Mar 31 22:03:19 i want to see what Freescale kicks out of their next ARM line. TI keeps licensing PowerVR, Freescale's gone the ATI Mobility route. Mar 31 22:03:21 KotCzarny: nokia naming conventions arent at least as fucked up as motos Mar 31 22:03:42 yeah Mar 31 22:03:43 Nokia at least sticks with numbers. Mar 31 22:03:49 Wjfr73mcde Mar 31 22:04:04 KotCzarny: n and e series are at least symbian, apart from putting n800/n810 in nseries naming too Mar 31 22:04:08 kot thats not as good as the Wjfr73mcdf Mar 31 22:04:11 symbian? Mar 31 22:04:12 Nokia TBLT! Mar 31 22:04:14 say, n800 ? Mar 31 22:04:15 ;) Mar 31 22:04:16 tsukasa_, all of my information is just from being involved in the community for a long time. Mar 31 22:04:23 Haha, Paavo. Mar 31 22:04:25 I like it! Mar 31 22:04:27 paavo, nokia Toasted BLT :) Mar 31 22:04:32 mmmmm Mar 31 22:04:36 T-BLT! Mar 31 22:04:53 then again they got symbian phones, very recent, that are in the just numbers ranger Mar 31 22:05:06 Nokia N series T-BLT '08 :) Mar 31 22:05:12 GeneralAntilles, yeah, i just feel like, nokia is going to announce a very sexy next-gen model which will make the 800 old news Mar 31 22:05:18 is the N810 any bigger than the N800? Mar 31 22:05:24 and reusing old numbers with 'classic' or 'navigator', thats the biggest suck in nokia naming Mar 31 22:05:26 open or closed? Mar 31 22:05:28 tsukasa_, do some research on the OMAP3430 Mar 31 22:05:32 well, theres really not much further to take the OMAP2. Mar 31 22:05:40 the next release will almost certainly be an OMAP3 Mar 31 22:05:42 rektide, it's smaller but heavier. Mar 31 22:05:53 nokias reason for releasing a wimax device would be to have a wimax device in the range Mar 31 22:05:54 which? the N810 is smaller? Mar 31 22:05:58 N810 Mar 31 22:06:00 yes, the coolness density has increased :) Mar 31 22:06:06 in europe it's april first already Mar 31 22:06:06 thats unexpected. Mar 31 22:06:06 not any other reason Mar 31 22:06:09 Or the fail Mar 31 22:06:09 well, 3110 and 6110 are old enough numbers to recycle Mar 31 22:06:10 * lcuk slides Mar 31 22:06:10 let's check nokia.com Mar 31 22:06:12 ;) Mar 31 22:06:13 depending on your point of view. Mar 31 22:06:14 i would've thoght the keyboard had made it considerably thicker Mar 31 22:06:27 Thinner, actually. Mar 31 22:06:28 Paavo: if people werent using them still... but they are :) Mar 31 22:06:29 besides, they were running out of numbers really Mar 31 22:06:35 That's part of the reason we lost the twin cardslots. Mar 31 22:06:35 rek, reshaping means the camera popout gone - its all square now Mar 31 22:06:41 the 800 had a fat bit Mar 31 22:06:50 The N810 is really packed in there. Mar 31 22:06:51 Paavo: i'd rather have them put the s40 in some other naming range and s60's in one Mar 31 22:06:53 a big bum Mar 31 22:06:54 damnit now i'm conflicked Mar 31 22:06:58 square camera takes square photos? Mar 31 22:06:59 :) Mar 31 22:07:07 I'd get the N800, personally. Mar 31 22:07:08 snowy square photos Mar 31 22:07:09 how do the cameras compare N800 v. N810? Mar 31 22:07:14 the dual SD are very very tempting Mar 31 22:07:14 The price hike with the N810 isn't worth it to me. Mar 31 22:07:19 rektide: same sh*t Mar 31 22:07:19 Both suck, rektide. Mar 31 22:07:20 ;) Mar 31 22:07:20 ah yes, 1st of april. must remember that. Mar 31 22:07:25 The N800's can move around, though. Mar 31 22:07:26 TI processors... meh. Mar 31 22:07:27 fuck micro-sd Mar 31 22:07:33 they should stick VIAs new processor in it Mar 31 22:07:36 paavo? not yet and you must know the models Mar 31 22:07:38 n820 should include a flash Mar 31 22:07:38 Screw that shit Mar 31 22:07:41 there are better ARM than TI's OMAP. Mar 31 22:07:41 TI's the best in the range. Mar 31 22:07:42 ie. photo flash Mar 31 22:07:52 lcuk: it is in my timezone Mar 31 22:07:55 GeneralAntilles, have you read about VIAs new chip? Mar 31 22:08:00 Yes Mar 31 22:08:10 so why do you think TI is better? Mar 31 22:08:12 Mobile x86 does not impress me. Mar 31 22:08:12 Marvell's new ARM >> OMAP but more power hungry. I like Freescale best for mobile but its pretyt on par with TI. Mar 31 22:08:13 paavo :) not for another hour here Mar 31 22:08:22 Mobile x86 is a terrible idea Mar 31 22:08:32 eugh Mar 31 22:08:32 ah, relativity Mar 31 22:08:34 tsukasa_, simply put, because they are. ;) Mar 31 22:08:35 i wouldnt like 86 Mar 31 22:08:43 x96 Mar 31 22:08:45 * lcuk spits on the assembly Mar 31 22:08:52 rektide: well, for small windows running laptops it's not.. for anything else, probably yes Mar 31 22:08:53 * lcuk hugs omap Mar 31 22:09:17 cellphones/smartphones are just small laptops though Mar 31 22:09:22 i would like to see multicore niceness Mar 31 22:09:22 yes Mar 31 22:09:23 not true Mar 31 22:09:27 but not windows running Mar 31 22:09:28 someday tsukasa. thast the dream. Mar 31 22:09:36 usability is different Mar 31 22:09:39 my 810 is a small laptop Mar 31 22:09:40 lcuk: nintendo DS is multicore. Mar 31 22:09:42 Power consumption is a very important part of what makes the NITs work. Mar 31 22:09:46 mmmmmmmmm rektide Mar 31 22:09:49 and the DS is 5 years old Mar 31 22:09:51 Mobile x86 would not fit the power requirements. Mar 31 22:10:00 lcuk: lapalmtop Mar 31 22:10:08 GeneralAntilles, i dont know about that, Intels Atom processor takes what? 3W? Mar 31 22:10:09 the only thing holding ARM back right now is the display subsystems Mar 31 22:10:11 and thats about to change Mar 31 22:10:13 TI's talking 2009 for dual-core A9s Mar 31 22:10:29 Lot more than the OMAP SoCs. Mar 31 22:10:31 ARM would make a fine computer, but the best output you'll get is 1280x1024 with shite performance. Mar 31 22:10:41 upgrade the graphics side of ARM and ARM will make awsome portable computers Mar 31 22:10:47 how much power did they get out of those nuclear batteries anyway? that would provide a decent battery life. Mar 31 22:10:49 rektide: my laptop is 1024x768 Mar 31 22:10:49 "graphics side of arm" ? Mar 31 22:10:50 ;) Mar 31 22:10:58 your laptop is crap. ;) Mar 31 22:11:02 "of arm platforms" Mar 31 22:11:03 nope it isn't Mar 31 22:11:08 ibm x32 ;) Mar 31 22:11:19 what gpu's do those arm desktopts have? Mar 31 22:11:36 hmm Mar 31 22:11:36 i dont know of any ARM desktops atm Mar 31 22:11:46 put your n8x0 on the deks Mar 31 22:11:48 but next gen ARMs have some very impressive graphics subsystems tacked on Mar 31 22:11:49 desk Mar 31 22:11:50 voila! Mar 31 22:11:53 dektop arm Mar 31 22:11:53 :) Mar 31 22:12:13 AMD/ATI and PowerVR have licensed out some pretty nice OpenGL 2.0 silicon IP, Mar 31 22:12:14 rektide: i seem to remember that there were some Mar 31 22:12:25 OMAP3'll put all of our graphics issues to bed. Mar 31 22:12:30 the only real question is if there will be enough bandwidth to power 1920x1200. Mar 31 22:12:31 ;) Mar 31 22:12:48 Omap3 went PowerVR again, right? Mar 31 22:12:55 Yeah Mar 31 22:12:57 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 31 22:13:01 GeneralAntilles: omap3 + crappy lcd controller - we know our NIT engineers :P Mar 31 22:13:10 Why would they? Mar 31 22:13:18 The built-in controller supports 800x480 just fine Mar 31 22:13:19 jott is too right, even if i dont know who NIT is Mar 31 22:13:26 They could go 1024x600 just fine, even. Mar 31 22:13:40 the built in chip in n95/e90 does pretty good looking stuff already Mar 31 22:13:41 have you owned a P1000 perchance GeneralAntilles? Mar 31 22:13:45 GeneralAntilles: still i bet they mess up something ;) Mar 31 22:13:57 glass: but the resolution is low enough to make that easy. Mar 31 22:14:00 Never heard of it, rektide. Mar 31 22:14:13 glass: n95 has the SAME pvr chip as n8x0 Mar 31 22:14:20 the only difference is support Mar 31 22:14:21 :/ Mar 31 22:14:27 most of the Fujitsu P1000 laptops run 1024x600. Mine's an 800 mhz crusoe, 8.9" touchscreen. Mar 31 22:14:28 no driver for tablets Mar 31 22:14:42 KotCzarny: yeah Mar 31 22:14:47 i did not know that Kot. Mar 31 22:14:51 pity. Mar 31 22:14:53 :/ Mar 31 22:14:53 rektide: you know e90's inner screen? Mar 31 22:14:57 rektide: obviously not Mar 31 22:15:14 no we just have a stack of N95's here at work Mar 31 22:15:22 different os Mar 31 22:15:38 800x352 Mar 31 22:16:01 it's got accelerated video decoding too Mar 31 22:16:04 very nice Mar 31 22:16:07 thats an insane resolution Mar 31 22:16:17 h264 Mar 31 22:16:31 i want a samsung NV24 HD. Mar 31 22:16:45 its a point and shoot camera that does 720P video recording with H264. Mar 31 22:16:45 IVA2, baby. Mar 31 22:16:49 That shit will scream. :D Mar 31 22:17:23 its all about to change. :p Mar 31 22:17:29 OpenGL2.0 Mar 31 22:17:42 its definitely a game changer Mar 31 22:19:09 iphone has it but i hate the iphone Mar 31 22:19:25 they actually have a sweet implementation, given the absolutely crap hardware it runs on Mar 31 22:19:42 :) Mar 31 22:19:49 iphones mhz is way higher though no? Mar 31 22:19:52 they use LLVM to optimize the fuck out of software opengl Mar 31 22:19:53 yes Mar 31 22:19:53 yeah, software is the other 50% of good device Mar 31 22:20:09 but most of the speed comes from the compiler tricks they use to accelerate opengl Mar 31 22:20:12 its very very intelligent Mar 31 22:20:27 but again, all the next gen solutions are going ot have onboard silicon dedicated to opengl Mar 31 22:20:44 thats where it starts becoming game changing Mar 31 22:20:48 aren't they have it already? Mar 31 22:20:50 pvr? Mar 31 22:21:09 only very few nokia phones have hw 3d accel now Mar 31 22:21:19 n96 again doesn't Mar 31 22:21:21 thats definitely not opengl2.0 compliant. it can accelerate some 3d calculations, but its way way way way short of a full 3d pipeline Mar 31 22:21:34 opengl es is common Mar 31 22:21:55 yes but its usually just done in software on the CPU, sometimes with a coprocessor to accelerate some 3d math. Mar 31 22:22:07 it's usually fully sw Mar 31 22:22:07 and thats whats changing Mar 31 22:22:16 transparency acceleration will be enough for shiny factor Mar 31 22:22:17 :) Mar 31 22:23:30 the one thing that makes me sad is that the OpenGL ES libraries to accelerate SVG are either crazy expensive or really primitive. we need better vector art acceleration too. Mar 31 22:23:59 the day Macromedia puts out opengl es accelerated flash is the day i consider installing it. Mar 31 22:24:14 Ha Mar 31 22:24:14 hmmh Mar 31 22:24:37 hehe Mar 31 22:24:57 |> Holly Dolly - Dolly Song.avi Mar 31 22:25:33 the new firmware for n95 has youtube videos working in the browser Mar 31 22:25:41 iirc Mar 31 22:25:47 hmm Mar 31 22:25:53 been out for couple of days Mar 31 22:25:54 we have that already on n8x0 ? Mar 31 22:25:55 :) Mar 31 22:26:10 just making conversation of flash on mobiles :) Mar 31 22:26:14 oh Mar 31 22:26:15 :) Mar 31 22:26:16 we can compare the pvr v. non-pvr accelerated versions Mar 31 22:26:30 (assuming the pvr is in use on the n95 for this) Mar 31 22:26:32 dunno if it uses any accels Mar 31 22:26:37 it is Mar 31 22:26:44 i havent installed the new fw's Mar 31 22:26:50 yeah i understand theres an entire output stage on the pvr Mar 31 22:26:56 i'd need more n95's Mar 31 22:27:07 theres 6 at work here, one devel has 3 of them though. Mar 31 22:27:32 it's rap that you can't easily downgrade the fw Mar 31 22:27:35 +c Mar 31 22:27:37 glass: Error: "c" is not a valid command. Mar 31 22:27:42 aha Mar 31 22:27:47 Ha Mar 31 22:27:48 Fail Mar 31 22:28:01 was the +c intentional? what does it mean? Mar 31 22:28:08 crap Mar 31 22:28:14 s/crap/rap/ Mar 31 22:28:15 GeneralAntilles meant: rap Mar 31 22:28:33 lol, wow. Mar 31 22:28:35 thanks bot Mar 31 22:28:45 SED bot to the rescue! Mar 31 22:28:53 ~lart infobot Mar 31 22:28:53 * infobot rm -rf's generalantilles Mar 31 22:28:54 if you dont know perl regex you just dont know jack Mar 31 22:29:11 ;_; Mar 31 22:29:32 i kid i kid Mar 31 22:29:57 Too bad infobot doesn't have the right permissions for me. Mar 31 22:30:07 i wonder how many xkcd comics arent understood Mar 31 22:30:13 many Mar 31 22:30:21 Depends on who reads them. Mar 31 22:30:27 just net total Mar 31 22:30:32 i think that'd be itneresting Mar 31 22:30:40 not really Mar 31 22:30:41 :) Mar 31 22:30:41 30,000,000 page views made no sense to the reader Mar 31 22:30:59 it will mean only how many people used some kind of *nix Mar 31 22:31:03 they all make sense to me but i'm a hardcore geek programmer Mar 31 22:31:29 but theres enough catchy ones that it must have a non *nix audience too by now Mar 31 22:31:40 rektide: and there's title tag to the rescue Mar 31 22:31:43 :) Mar 31 22:32:03 if joke isn't clear at the first sight Mar 31 22:32:15 its so sad but so necessary that title tag instructions hae to be repeated with every single reference to xkcd Mar 31 22:33:10 hey i never noticed the title tag is the "so, you missed the joke in the panels" portion Mar 31 22:33:20 :) Mar 31 22:33:27 not really Mar 31 22:33:35 it's a part of the joke sometimes Mar 31 22:33:49 erm. Mar 31 22:33:51 scratch that Mar 31 22:33:54 i agree Mar 31 22:33:54 :) Mar 31 22:33:57 stupid firefox is truncating my title tags. Mar 31 22:34:03 properties Mar 31 22:34:06 and read again Mar 31 22:34:07 :) Mar 31 22:34:20 i normally read with opera, just using firefox for dev work Mar 31 22:34:31 you can read whole tag in properties Mar 31 22:34:36 and err some errant IRC inspired shtuff Mar 31 22:34:59 i'd rather view source than mouse to properties. :/ Mar 31 22:35:14 it all depends on toolbar buttons Mar 31 22:35:14 :) Mar 31 22:35:44 anyone know any good high resolution webcams? Mar 31 22:35:53 i'm looking for greater than 640x480@30fps Mar 31 22:36:02 a 640x480@60fps would be badass though Mar 31 22:36:07 or just higher resolution Mar 31 22:36:13 hmm, buy a camera Mar 31 22:36:13 ;) Mar 31 22:36:28 rektide, buy a DV cam and plug it in. :P Mar 31 22:36:30 waiting for the Samsung NV24 HD, 720P H264 point and shoot camera. Mar 31 22:36:35 thats gonna kick ass Mar 31 22:37:01 but i'd like a couple $70 webcams too, get a small video capture matrix going Mar 31 22:37:47 rektide: the philips one do 90fps Mar 31 22:37:57 tell me more! Mar 31 22:38:01 what camera? Mar 31 22:38:04 jott: link ? Mar 31 22:38:05 spc900nc Mar 31 22:38:33 hmmmm ccd based i like Mar 31 22:39:20 very nice jott tyvm Mar 31 22:39:26 its used by many hobby astronomers :) Mar 31 22:39:49 but Mar 31 22:39:53 i wouldnt think that marginal fps boost would necessarily correspond to higher sensitivity Mar 31 22:39:54 does it run on linux? Mar 31 22:40:03 even though the old Philip Toucam's ROCKED THE HOUSE Mar 31 22:40:36 i ordered 6 of them for $300, they shipped from Asia, and one of my roomates girlfriend, when the UPS guy came, said "rektide who?" to the guy. Mar 31 22:40:40 that fucking bitch Mar 31 22:40:50 lol Mar 31 22:40:54 should work afaik.. a friend of mine recommended it but i think he uses win .. i don't have it so i can't say for sure how good the support is Mar 31 22:41:01 never saw the $300 or cameras again Mar 31 22:41:07 this was back in college, like 4 years ago Mar 31 22:41:15 god damn i wanted to choke a bitch Mar 31 22:41:40 not worth 300$ Mar 31 22:41:44 Haha Mar 31 22:41:49 really Mar 31 22:41:50 :) Mar 31 22:41:55 Women. . . . Mar 31 22:42:03 but you can play practical jokes on her Mar 31 22:42:10 http://rainsoft.de/projects/pwc/webcam_doc/index.html hm :) Mar 31 22:42:26 what a dumb bitch though Mar 31 22:42:34 you dont know who lives in the house yet you deny packages from ups? Mar 31 22:42:49 looks like it is supported :) Mar 31 22:42:49 paid already Mar 31 22:42:50 that is Mar 31 22:42:51 overseas packages Mar 31 22:42:51 :) Mar 31 22:44:27 i always thought the toucam was a fluke, that philips accidentally made a really sweet camera Mar 31 22:44:37 than the spc900nc also kicks ass is rather impressive Mar 31 22:49:31 FUCK the spc900nc webcam was $25 on woot three weeks ago! v. $70 now. Mar 31 22:49:35 fuck_________ Mar 31 22:49:47 i would've built the greatest camera array ever Mar 31 22:49:49 Don't you hate woot? :P Mar 31 22:50:16 :> Mar 31 22:50:18 me? why? not as far as i know? Mar 31 22:50:46 I always miss the deals Mar 31 22:50:57 or pass up on really great stuff that I only notice is great later Mar 31 22:51:06 or don't have the cash Mar 31 22:51:12 It frustrates me. :( Mar 31 22:51:16 yeah i used to track it in RSS and never saw a damned thing i wanted Mar 31 22:51:46 we need some kind of reverse aggregator, a social/community woot filter Mar 31 22:51:51 I did get a 770 once, though. Mar 31 22:51:53 $130 Mar 31 22:51:54 that only feeds things that dont suck Mar 31 22:52:26 they had the internets when the 770 was released? ;P Mar 31 22:52:42 It was only 2005. :P Mar 31 22:55:23 so the n8x0 usb ports are unusable with the stand retracted? Mar 31 22:55:43 n800 has them on the side Mar 31 22:56:02 but the stand covers them.. Mar 31 22:56:10 same for the n810, no? Mar 31 22:56:16 i have only n800 Mar 31 22:56:17 :) Mar 31 22:56:23 Right Mar 31 22:56:34 Personally, I've never found it to be an issue. Mar 31 22:56:39 i'm a USB madman Mar 31 22:56:57 i bought 10 openwrt wireless routers cause they had usb 2.0 Mar 31 22:57:05 you can unscrew stand Mar 31 22:57:10 :) Mar 31 22:57:29 i figured it was removable but it'd also often be convenient to have Mar 31 22:57:34 :) Mar 31 22:58:05 anyone seen a GP2X irl? Mar 31 22:59:24 (its a pretty nifty touchscreen dual-core ARM unit aimed at gamers) Mar 31 22:59:25 Navi has. Mar 31 22:59:48 i will idle here and stalk him Mar 31 22:59:50 ty Mar 31 22:59:55 God damn. Mar 31 23:00:09 You got highlight. Mar 31 23:00:10 Take that! Mar 31 23:00:20 rektide, you familiar with the Pandora. Mar 31 23:00:44 Also, GP2X wasn't dual-core Mar 31 23:00:46 It was dual-CPU Mar 31 23:01:03 lol Mar 31 23:01:07 hi navi Mar 31 23:01:19 GA, what do you see as the distinction between dual core and dual cpu? Mar 31 23:01:43 how bad was the AA battery comparment on the GP2X? otherwise its a good bit smaller than the N8x0, right? Mar 31 23:01:46 Dual-core implies they're both on the same piece of silicon. Mar 31 23:02:02 s/implies/means/ Mar 31 23:02:02 GeneralAntilles meant: Dual-core means they're both on the same piece of silicon. Mar 31 23:02:14 Like the Core 2 Duo Mar 31 23:02:18 they are on the same die. Mar 31 23:02:23 err Mar 31 23:02:36 they're in the same package, i dunno if they're on the same die. Mar 31 23:02:43 They aren't. :P Mar 31 23:03:06 wasnt Core Duo two separate CPU's in the same package? Mar 31 23:03:13 No Mar 31 23:03:13 nope Mar 31 23:03:14 No Mar 31 23:03:15 It's dual-core Mar 31 23:03:29 i must just be thinking of the quad cores, which are two dual cores in a package. Mar 31 23:03:40 (the new ones aside) Mar 31 23:03:41 The Pentium Ds were two dies in one, as are the quad cores Mar 31 23:03:51 quad-cores are just like dual-cores Mar 31 23:04:02 yeah i was pretty sure there was an old dual core with two dies Mar 31 23:04:08 dual dual-cores are what you mean. Mar 31 23:05:16 dual dual-cores == two dual cores Mar 31 23:05:21 same deal Mar 31 23:05:48 Navi, can you profer any kind of comparison between the GP2X and the N8x0? Mar 31 23:07:07 some nokia phones have dual cpu but the other is just for network stack and shit Mar 31 23:07:09 One's a gaming machine and one's an internet tablet Mar 31 23:08:00 what of form factor? Mar 31 23:08:03 omap is dual core too Mar 31 23:08:04 :> Mar 31 23:08:18 i think i forgot that Kot Mar 31 23:08:22 but cores are little different Mar 31 23:08:29 dsp one is specialized Mar 31 23:08:36 they're asymetric on the GP2X as well Mar 31 23:08:40 and the Nintendo DS Mar 31 23:08:48 i cant think of any ARM with symetric dual core Mar 31 23:29:55 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4322 Mar 31 23:29:56 eheheh Mar 31 23:30:43 what is that on? Mar 31 23:30:49 s/on/about/ Mar 31 23:30:50 rektide meant: what is that about? Mar 31 23:31:05 'Cops Bust a (Root) Beer Kegger Party (+video) ' Mar 31 23:48:40 we've got a dsp on the tablets but it's too much work for normal mortals to use it Mar 31 23:48:58 Be nice if TI would open it up. Mar 31 23:49:08 it's open Mar 31 23:49:11 docs are available Mar 31 23:49:16 even compiler Mar 31 23:49:38 lardman explained that something was missing but i forgot what Mar 31 23:49:45 hum Mar 31 23:50:02 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/29/046201 Mar 31 23:50:04 fun Mar 31 23:50:17 i love learning new thngs from /. comments Mar 31 23:50:18 :) Mar 31 23:50:31 * lcuk posted in there Apr 01 00:00:24 http://bash.org/?24262 Apr 01 00:00:25 lol Apr 01 00:06:02 Are openssh dependencies broken for anyone else around here? I tried to update to 1:4.7p1-2.maemo2 just now, and it tells me that openssh-common 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 is a missing dependency. Apr 01 00:07:07 install by hand? Apr 01 00:07:10 Uninstall and try again. Apr 01 00:07:58 Will that lose my passwords? Apr 01 00:08:08 nope Apr 01 00:08:09 No Apr 01 00:08:16 OK - will try it. Apr 01 00:09:23 Weird - apt-get install openssh-client works just fine. Apr 01 00:09:27 What's the deal there? Apr 01 00:09:36 (Didn't even need to uninstall.) Apr 01 00:09:41 app-manager is buggy Apr 01 00:09:42 :) Apr 01 00:09:57 Wonderful. Should i submit or vote for a bug? Apr 01 00:10:08 if the bug is repeatable Apr 01 00:10:28 otherwise it may be anything from solar spots Apr 01 00:10:32 to user incompetence Apr 01 00:10:32 :) Apr 01 00:10:51 KotCzarny: Are you saying i'm no good at pressing the update button? Apr 01 00:10:55 nope Apr 01 00:10:59 I didn't think it took any skills... ;-) Apr 01 00:11:06 but to know why that is happening Apr 01 00:11:14 devs must know how to reproduce it Apr 01 00:11:20 There's nothing to submit against. Apr 01 00:11:20 and you may have new/old packages Apr 01 00:11:27 or weird combination of them Apr 01 00:11:31 Unless you count the openssh garage page, though, I suppose. Apr 01 00:12:12 Given that NOKIA STILL CAN'T FIX THE MAEMO EXTRAS REPOSITORY FOR ALL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS, it's not unlikely that my repos were out of date. Apr 01 00:12:18 :) Apr 01 00:12:21 (Sorry about that - just letting off some steam) Apr 01 00:12:27 no problem Apr 01 00:12:27 change takes time Apr 01 00:12:30 we are here for you Apr 01 00:12:33 :) Apr 01 00:12:38 What's everyone's favorite media player for the N800 in terms of design (not including Canola and Mediabox) Apr 01 00:12:40 KotCzarny: Gee - thanks Apr 01 00:12:53 Navi: They're all bad. Apr 01 00:13:03 Then what do you like? Apr 01 00:13:05 xmms and playfilelist Apr 01 00:13:49 Navi: amarok :-) Apr 01 00:13:59 :/ Apr 01 00:14:17 mmk Apr 01 00:15:06 Navi: Kagu is my current choice on maemo because it supports last.fm scrobbling, but the interface is terrible and it has some annoying bugs (like restarting playback when you add songs to the now playing list, and maximising the volume for a split second when you unpause it). Apr 01 00:15:37 Heh Apr 01 00:19:21 Navi: It's not funny when you're trying to go to sleep. ;-) Apr 01 00:19:40 :) Apr 01 00:19:42 use xmms Apr 01 00:20:04 blahdeblah-lap, sure it is :) Apr 01 00:20:16 KotCzarny: on maemo? Apr 01 00:20:20 yup Apr 01 00:20:26 Does it scrobble? Apr 01 00:20:39 scrobble? Apr 01 00:20:43 last.fm Apr 01 00:20:58 If you're not an addict, you won't understand. Apr 01 00:21:22 probably Apr 01 00:21:23 :) Apr 01 00:21:34 what? you can'y scrobble if you aren't addicted to it somehow? Apr 01 00:21:38 ie. 'probably i'm not an addict' Apr 01 00:22:12 but there is xmms-ctrl Apr 01 00:22:26 so writing a script to do it shouldn't be too hard Apr 01 00:22:27 :) Apr 01 00:22:32 i had to ditch xmms because audioscrobble plugin tends to crash it Apr 01 00:22:42 Jiten: No, but scrobbling is mandatory for a music play for me now Apr 01 00:22:50 lcdd: Disappointing to hear. Apr 01 00:23:01 blah: how exactly it works? Apr 01 00:23:13 simple 'get track name, save it somewhere' ? Apr 01 00:23:27 audacious works almost as a drop-in replacement, though. and as a extra it supports evdev events from my tv remote Apr 01 00:23:28 KotCzarny: You submit your tracks to their web site, then you can view stats, similar artists, join groups, etc. Apr 01 00:23:30 with or without user interaction? Apr 01 00:23:42 hum Apr 01 00:23:47 you submit tracks without user interaction Apr 01 00:23:54 Your music player does it for you Apr 01 00:24:06 i think it's doable in a python Apr 01 00:24:09 or even in bash Apr 01 00:24:10 :) Apr 01 00:24:19 using xmms-control Apr 01 00:24:20 :) Apr 01 00:24:40 yeah, shouldn't be too hard Apr 01 00:24:49 in fact writing standalone scrobbler would be even better Apr 01 00:24:59 that will interact with any player Apr 01 00:26:01 http://code.google.com/p/pyscrobble/ Apr 01 00:26:02 hehe Apr 01 00:26:36 KotCzarny: maemo scrobbler does that - the player just has to submit a couple of dbus messages Apr 01 00:26:51 blah: nice Apr 01 00:32:13 KotCzarny: Where is xmms for maemo? I can't find it in app manager or searching maemo.org Apr 01 00:32:19 hmm Apr 01 00:32:26 i have compiled one myslef Apr 01 00:32:28 myself Apr 01 00:32:35 ugh Apr 01 00:32:55 if you don't mind software from strangers i can give you the link Apr 01 00:32:56 :) Apr 01 00:33:22 Maybe another day - gotta go. Apr 01 00:33:25 np Apr 01 00:33:26 :) Apr 01 00:33:34 hi pupnik Apr 01 00:38:23 what's the easiest way to play a wav/mp3 file in a maemo app? like what libraries or whatever to use? Apr 01 00:38:40 gstreamer ? Apr 01 00:39:05 KotCzarny: cool... i just want a hardcoded sound file to play when i press a gtkbutton Apr 01 00:39:13 hmm Apr 01 00:39:54 so the simplest solution would probably be the best Apr 01 00:40:01 esdplay ? Apr 01 00:40:03 mplayer ? Apr 01 00:40:04 :) Apr 01 00:40:18 hmm Apr 01 00:40:20 maybe there's framework for sound too Apr 01 00:40:23 in hildon Apr 01 00:40:35 maybe Apr 01 00:40:40 the tutorials dont mentions it anywhere Apr 01 00:40:41 but i think gstreamer will be easy Apr 01 00:40:55 cool Apr 01 00:40:58 ill give it a shot Apr 01 00:41:10 you don't want to control the play? Apr 01 00:41:15 just 'fire and forget' ? Apr 01 00:41:23 yeah Apr 01 00:41:29 well here's my app: Apr 01 00:41:31 ok, gstreamer then Apr 01 00:41:35 i drum on the table a lot Apr 01 00:41:37 using my fingers Apr 01 00:41:45 so i want to do the same on the tablet Apr 01 00:41:50 btw. check out pyano Apr 01 00:41:58 but each finger would make a different sound play each time i hit it Apr 01 00:42:02 it's a simple piano emulator Apr 01 00:42:04 like snare, bass, cymbol, etc Apr 01 00:42:07 to play with thumbs Apr 01 00:42:10 and using samples Apr 01 00:42:11 yeah basically Apr 01 00:42:17 but like a drumset Apr 01 00:42:25 just a different sample set Apr 01 00:42:28 :) Apr 01 00:42:31 yes :) Apr 01 00:42:49 and variable circular drum layout and sizing :) Apr 01 00:42:51 you may try some midi interaction too Apr 01 00:42:53 with timidity Apr 01 00:43:00 pressure sensitive Apr 01 00:43:07 harder press = louder Apr 01 00:43:11 cool Apr 01 00:43:12 :) Apr 01 00:43:29 lcuk: is the n810's screen pressure sensitive? Apr 01 00:43:36 n800 too Apr 01 00:43:41 * lcuk wonders what the bres circle algoyithm looks like Apr 01 00:43:43 yes Apr 01 00:43:49 cool, didnt know that Apr 01 00:43:56 new day, new knowledge Apr 01 00:43:57 :) Apr 01 00:44:02 yeah so ive never programmed on maemo Apr 01 00:44:10 do you know python? Apr 01 00:44:11 if I install KDE on my tablet, is there some way to switch between KDE and the default DE on an N800? Apr 01 00:44:17 KotCzarny: no but i can learn it Apr 01 00:44:24 i've been using c and gtk Apr 01 00:44:26 get hold of a program called maemopad+ and there is a pressure option Apr 01 00:44:31 nwidger: it's very simple to write pygtk apps Apr 01 00:44:37 if you know gtk already Apr 01 00:44:38 :) Apr 01 00:44:41 lcuk: sure, ill check it out Apr 01 00:45:05 there are lots of examples around and you can perform easy actions on single button press Apr 01 00:45:20 and because you dont have to compile it, you can edit directly on 810 and play and make better Apr 01 00:45:25 i thought it would be cool if there was a configuration option to position different buttons on the screen each with its own sample, so that it would work best with your left/right-handedness and finger size Apr 01 00:45:55 gtk supports dragging buttons too Apr 01 00:45:56 ;) Apr 01 00:45:58 there is another program called PyGTKEditor which lets you edit and test python applications on maemo :) Apr 01 00:46:05 neat Apr 01 00:46:18 What are the chances it's not a hardware issue if I've reflashed twice and my touchscreen still has the same problem? :| Apr 01 00:46:20 im drumming on my keyboard now and know exactly what you mean Apr 01 00:46:34 whats the problem Zetx| Apr 01 00:46:37 zetx: have you seen n800 power on drama thread? Apr 01 00:46:43 oh, it's not that Apr 01 00:47:09 Zetx|, someone else complains about that problem in a different channel Apr 01 00:47:21 btw. what is the problem? Apr 01 00:47:23 it's my touchscreen, sometimes when i tap around the middle of my screen it thinks i'm tapping at the left side (it hits the application menu) Apr 01 00:47:30 ah, yes Apr 01 00:47:32 known problem Apr 01 00:47:34 lcuk: the only down side is that the screen can't register multiple touches at the same time i'm guessing, so no bass+cymbal crashes :( Apr 01 00:47:34 and i've tried calibrating Apr 01 00:47:35 ah Apr 01 00:47:36 :\ Apr 01 00:47:42 my guess it's just bad software Apr 01 00:47:56 it's just a difficult thing to search on 'touchscreen' is gonna get alot of hits ;p Apr 01 00:47:56 that doesn't filter out those bad data Apr 01 00:47:59 nwidger_, i dont think its as bad as you think Apr 01 00:48:20 i guess i'll try a different firmware then Apr 01 00:48:22 lcuk: the screen has multitouch capabilities? Apr 01 00:48:26 zetx, no Apr 01 00:48:30 it's not solved Apr 01 00:48:32 no Apr 01 00:48:33 even with latest Apr 01 00:48:34 oh Apr 01 00:48:35 yeah Apr 01 00:49:22 so -everybody- has that issue? :| Apr 01 00:49:24 but you can resolve it a littly by dragging menu to the right part of the screen Apr 01 00:49:25 ;) Apr 01 00:49:37 Zetx|, return to nokia, that sounds like a busted screen - ive seen it happen to many nintendo DSs cos they get lots of abuse, with nokias similar fault is plausable though they are generally better treated Apr 01 00:49:40 *little Apr 01 00:50:02 lcuk: but it's intermittent Apr 01 00:50:11 most of the time taps are correct Apr 01 00:50:13 if your screen is touching where you arent thats because either something is trapped under the left hand side of screen Apr 01 00:50:14 KotCzarny, do you have a link to the issue? like a filed bug or something? Apr 01 00:50:20 only sometimes they go with x=0 Apr 01 00:50:25 zetx: nope Apr 01 00:50:43 i had a whole discussion about this with a guy fairly recently i got test screenshots and everything Apr 01 00:50:46 lemme find link Apr 01 00:51:07 lcuk: can you explain what you meant by 'i dont think its as bad as you think'? Apr 01 00:51:24 if I install KDE on my tablet, is there some way to switch between KDE and the default DE on an N800? Apr 01 00:51:29 the screen is usable as a touch screen isnt it? Apr 01 00:51:38 yes Apr 01 00:51:45 KotCzarny: which menu is draggable? Apr 01 00:51:55 lcdd: navbar Apr 01 00:52:02 lcuk: yes of course Apr 01 00:52:07 it was johnx! Apr 01 00:52:08 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Pentest2.png Apr 01 00:52:33 lcdd: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png Apr 01 00:52:43 when he tapped somewhere it went somewhere else, but at some parts of his screen it was ok. it worked perfectly until he said it heats up Apr 01 00:52:50 once it does it occurs more Apr 01 00:52:57 lcuk: but if i touch the screen in two places at the same time, it will only register one of them, correct? Apr 01 00:52:58 to me, it feels like if i angle the stylus some more, it does it more often, but that might just be me Apr 01 00:53:07 yes nw Apr 01 00:53:17 nwidger_, it registers an average of the two. Apr 01 00:53:24 check for bits caught under the lip Apr 01 00:53:38 GeneralAntilles: like, the average of the two coordinates? Apr 01 00:53:42 yes Apr 01 00:53:47 hmmm Apr 01 00:54:02 ive thought about interpolating and trying to keep track of multiple Apr 01 00:54:09 but it never got more than that Apr 01 00:54:15 hmmmm Apr 01 00:54:22 KotCzarny: that is awesome. i'm left-handed and the menu has been bugging me. where do i poke to drag it? Apr 01 00:54:38 lcdd: you need randr enabled kernel & xomap Apr 01 00:54:49 it gets enabled after first rotation Apr 01 00:55:01 it can even be draggod to the top or bottom Apr 01 00:55:14 damn, thats a killer feature Apr 01 00:55:14 then you just drag it Apr 01 00:55:21 KotCzarny: okay. will look into it Apr 01 00:55:24 as a taskbar in windows Apr 01 00:55:25 :) Apr 01 00:55:26 why didnt you shout that as a reason to put r&r on ;) Apr 01 00:55:33 lol Apr 01 00:55:43 because i didn't know about Apr 01 00:55:44 it Apr 01 00:55:50 sse2.net isnt it Apr 01 00:55:54 then someone told me that's draggable Apr 01 00:55:58 yes Apr 01 00:56:12 whats folder? Apr 01 00:56:17 can you remember Apr 01 00:56:17 rotate Apr 01 00:56:37 it's most usefull in portrait mode Apr 01 00:56:51 to get more width for app Apr 01 00:57:54 and it can even be dragged out of the screen ;) Apr 01 00:57:55 gonna try and put it on now. it might even help simplicity for my prog :) Apr 01 00:58:16 actually, no im not Apr 01 00:58:19 it would be good to find out how to cause it programatically Apr 01 00:58:23 * lcuk just saw the time Apr 01 00:58:32 what time? Apr 01 00:58:35 barely 21 ;) Apr 01 00:58:40 2am Apr 01 00:58:50 work in 6 Apr 01 00:58:53 :) Apr 01 00:59:12 good night then Apr 01 00:59:18 bug me tomorrow ;) i really want it on Apr 01 00:59:21 hehe Apr 01 00:59:22 np Apr 01 00:59:31 get your nokia to the work ;) Apr 01 00:59:51 nahhh i dont like moving it until i am happy showing it off Apr 01 00:59:53 why is it that every library ever takes like 250 lines just to do the simplest thing Apr 01 01:00:09 :) Apr 01 01:00:23 because they arent you're library. write everything once and you have your own library :) Apr 01 01:00:37 write it the way YOU want it. Apr 01 01:00:39 or just hide initialization in your sublib Apr 01 01:00:43 :) Apr 01 01:00:51 i just want to say play(sound.wav) but it's never going to be that easy Apr 01 01:00:52 * lcuk does a mix of both Apr 01 01:01:04 yeah the second is probably what's going to happen Apr 01 01:01:07 nwidger: ever heard about system() ? Apr 01 01:01:08 ;) Apr 01 01:01:15 im taking entire folders with half the core code and shotting off in another direction Apr 01 01:01:43 nwidger_, look at source of pypiano :) its all there Apr 01 01:01:43 KotCzarny: haha Apr 01 01:01:47 im not that dirty Apr 01 01:01:55 :> Apr 01 01:02:09 lcuk: link? Apr 01 01:02:14 but it's the simplest way to do what you want Apr 01 01:02:32 lccuk: it's pyano ;) Apr 01 01:02:35 http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/01/pyano.html Apr 01 01:02:38 good point Apr 01 01:02:49 very clever name Apr 01 01:02:54 lcuk: excellent Apr 01 01:03:18 and since its python you can edit it and play and put your own samples there (I assume) Apr 01 01:03:19 huh, nwidger: i told you to look at the pyano :) Apr 01 01:03:24 .debs dont usually contain the source do they? Apr 01 01:03:29 nope Apr 01 01:03:38 KotCzarny: oh, sorry. thank you :) Apr 01 01:03:46 np :) Apr 01 01:04:07 nwidger_, in this case, they do - it is written in python. this is a parsed language and is not compiled Apr 01 01:04:25 oh shit yeah Apr 01 01:04:27 im an idiot Apr 01 01:04:51 not at all :) you are a person on a journey :) Apr 01 01:04:58 it's all about the journey Apr 01 01:05:17 hmm Apr 01 01:05:22 firefox 2.0.0.13 ? Apr 01 01:05:35 im on 11 Apr 01 01:05:42 i'm on .12 Apr 01 01:06:09 lol - i disabled updates after they got in my way Apr 01 01:06:10 and it's out for 3 weeks already Apr 01 01:06:28 i have mine packaged into cramfs ;) Apr 01 01:06:33 i thought .deb files where gzip'd Apr 01 01:06:41 nwidger: inside Apr 01 01:06:48 .deb is an ar archive Apr 01 01:06:53 containing actual .tar.gz Apr 01 01:06:56 and some control info Apr 01 01:07:03 ah okay Apr 01 01:07:06 (and a bit of magic) Apr 01 01:07:11 im just trying to crack is open instead of install it Apr 01 01:07:18 ar x some.deb Apr 01 01:07:20 :) Apr 01 01:07:23 yup Apr 01 01:07:30 man pages are useful :) Apr 01 01:07:34 nothing better on the nokia than to try it yourself, see if you think its worth continuing with your drum idea Apr 01 01:08:04 ya Apr 01 01:08:13 well it shouldnt be that hard Apr 01 01:08:18 but maybe i should go strainght to 3.x Apr 01 01:08:20 i knew the trickiest part would be playing sound Apr 01 01:08:20 hum Apr 01 01:08:44 nwidger: you can use mplayer in -slave mode too Apr 01 01:08:45 ;) Apr 01 01:08:55 then just popen and send commands Apr 01 01:09:00 hmmm Apr 01 01:09:05 ill keep that in mind Apr 01 01:09:09 but the best way would be to compile timidity Apr 01 01:09:14 and start it in server mode Apr 01 01:09:22 then it's just midi Apr 01 01:09:33 cool Apr 01 01:09:43 you know about midi i presume Apr 01 01:09:44 :) Apr 01 01:11:08 yes Apr 01 01:11:26 i grew up listening to videogame music in the 90s on the internet :P Apr 01 01:11:37 :> Apr 01 01:11:46 .mods ftw! Apr 01 01:12:00 mmm Apr 01 01:12:03 i grew up listening to real videogame music in the 80's on a spectrum and amiga and c64 Apr 01 01:12:04 those are good too Apr 01 01:12:13 lcuk: old man :P Apr 01 01:12:17 :D Apr 01 01:12:35 i wish i grew up with amiga and c64 Apr 01 01:12:48 * KotCzarny went atari/amiga way Apr 01 01:13:00 oldest thing i had was a coleco adam with donkey kong Apr 01 01:13:01 and a little bit of timex Apr 01 01:13:03 :> Apr 01 01:13:16 amiga ruled :) this nokia reminds me so much of it - with its custom chipset - the cpu, the dsp and the pvr (when online..) it will rock Apr 01 01:13:46 lcuk: btw. have you considered how pvr will effect battery life? Apr 01 01:14:02 arm can power down parts of the chip Apr 01 01:14:05 pvr? Apr 01 01:14:10 powervr Apr 01 01:14:17 3d chip Apr 01 01:14:19 i dont care about battery - if i have to keep it plugged in i will Apr 01 01:14:19 :) Apr 01 01:14:23 yeah Apr 01 01:14:47 i doubt it will be any worse than running the dsp at same time Apr 01 01:14:59 dsp will run too Apr 01 01:15:01 does the n810 have a pvr chip? Apr 01 01:15:03 i could quite happily live in silece on the desktop so that its crisp Apr 01 01:15:19 yes and we can't use it at the moment because we have no driver Apr 01 01:15:28 :( Apr 01 01:15:48 its a long and drawn out thing and it pisses me off no end and i so wanna use it cos the amount of dreamy effects we could do would be amazing Apr 01 01:16:00 * lcuk stomps to his room Apr 01 01:16:05 lcuk: try not to wet yourself Apr 01 01:16:31 :) i dont it just riles me occasionally Apr 01 01:16:58 :) Apr 01 01:17:43 i cant tell whether nokia is just too cheap to license pvr, too lazy to build a driver, too concerned about how to do open source for the driver Apr 01 01:18:17 anyone else here use WPA2 with their n810? Apr 01 01:18:28 * KotCzarny uses WEP Apr 01 01:18:28 I'm sure the result of the cost benefit analysis was bad. Apr 01 01:18:35 or whether there is a technical reason why its use has not been sanctioned? Apr 01 01:18:46 It wont be able to do fast graphics at full resolution. Apr 01 01:18:54 i wonder if its the fear of ngage software piracy? Apr 01 01:19:02 There could also be complicated technical issues. Apr 01 01:19:04 lcuk, no way. Apr 01 01:19:10 lcuk: there was one thread that nokia said 'the chip won't benefit us' Apr 01 01:19:17 why not, its compatible hardware Apr 01 01:19:18 because of lack of vram Apr 01 01:19:24 ahhhh right forgot that Apr 01 01:19:43 KotCzarny; hmm, can you get >0.5Mb/sec download over WEP? Apr 01 01:19:44 no, dont forget that - its VERY easy to give the lcd any resolution it wants Apr 01 01:20:00 monkeyiq: mbit or MB ? Apr 01 01:20:05 we can supply the lcd correctly at (for instance) 400*240 and it will display it at fullscreen Apr 01 01:20:09 let me test Apr 01 01:20:10 megabyte Apr 01 01:20:14 the same occurs on any resolution Apr 01 01:20:22 I get about that even downloading from a local http:// with wget Apr 01 01:20:38 lcuk, sure, but that's suboptimal. Apr 01 01:20:39 I suspect that WPA2 just kills the CPU, as its at 100% getting 500kbyte/s Apr 01 01:21:03 I get 800KB/sec over WPA2 and scp/sftp Apr 01 01:21:24 suboptimal my arse - if we can get fancy graphics at any resolution JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT then we shouldnt try? Apr 01 01:21:39 <_< Apr 01 01:21:45 I'm merely arguing Nokia's point of view. Apr 01 01:21:53 GeneralAntilles; Ah ok, so maybe I should look at my AP etc. scp/wget both give me about 500kb/s Apr 01 01:22:01 monkeyiq: i get 315kb/s Apr 01 01:22:06 using 11mbit Apr 01 01:22:08 if nokia wanted optimal we would see movies at full res Apr 01 01:22:09 I get about 1mb/sec scp from localhost to localhost on the n810 Apr 01 01:22:20 but they are shown at reduced res and people genenrally dont complain Apr 01 01:22:26 same with games Apr 01 01:22:31 Movies are a bit different from games. Apr 01 01:22:46 KotCzarny; ah ok. so my 500kb/sec is not sounding quite so bad. Apr 01 01:22:52 probably Apr 01 01:22:56 :) Apr 01 01:23:05 pyano is good, but it's not fast enough Apr 01 01:23:27 but still, viewing 4-5mb digital pix over NFS is very annoying. If I could get closer to 2mb/sec then it would be quite a nice image tablet Apr 01 01:23:43 monkeyiq: vnc? Apr 01 01:23:44 if you alternate keys too fast, it doesnt play all the hits Apr 01 01:23:44 ;) Apr 01 01:23:47 or I could prescale the images at the server end, but I'd like to reserve that option for later Apr 01 01:24:14 KotCzarny; heh, interesting idea, not quite as crazy as it sounds at first. Apr 01 01:24:28 use the server to do the load/scale and only send the screen down the pipe Apr 01 01:24:32 auto compression, resolution reduction Apr 01 01:24:38 :) Apr 01 01:24:42 lcuk: go to sleep Apr 01 01:24:43 :) Apr 01 01:24:47 lol Apr 01 01:24:57 im just thinkin Apr 01 01:25:03 I might also try using no WEP/WPA2 and using tinc/openvnc or ssh tunneling to see if I can get better speed Apr 01 01:25:18 hmm Apr 01 01:25:29 otoh i should try this test from another comp Apr 01 01:25:32 since the n810 can to 1mb/s on loopback and it has to enc/dec I might get closer to 2mb/s over ssh on no WEP/WPA Apr 01 01:25:34 it was wifi--router--wifi Apr 01 01:25:38 what res images are you testing with monkeyiq Apr 01 01:25:45 lcdd; 10mpx Apr 01 01:25:55 err, lcuk that is Apr 01 01:26:06 will always end up with MUCH more data then - vnc showing fullscreen will be much less Apr 01 01:26:23 especially with jpeg encoding Apr 01 01:26:24 :> Apr 01 01:26:38 I was just hoping that with 2mb/s it would take about 2 sec to xfer and it would be usable with prefetching. Apr 01 01:26:52 given that canola can handle these images resonalby well from sdcards Apr 01 01:26:57 what are you using to copy? Apr 01 01:27:07 NFS Apr 01 01:27:33 but for bandwidth tests, scp Apr 01 01:27:35 or wget Apr 01 01:28:00 both give 500kb/s which is fishy given that scp has to do more CPU stuff (the whole WPA2 and ssh crypto combination) Apr 01 01:28:13 you could try and see if they are progressive Apr 01 01:28:14 so I think WPA2 is limiting bandwidth for all to < 500k/s Apr 01 01:28:14 i confirm Apr 01 01:28:21 at least you would get the preview quicker Apr 01 01:28:24 sucking off eth--wlan it's 450-500 Apr 01 01:28:38 (http) Apr 01 01:28:54 I haven't tested what I can get without WEP/WPA2 to see what the wifi is absolutely limited to Apr 01 01:28:59 and cpu usage is ~50% on tablet Apr 01 01:29:06 ie, dont read after copying - try to load images direct - if they are progressive and your preview can show them - you will get images quicker on screen Apr 01 01:29:12 so it's not an bottleneck Apr 01 01:29:21 lcuk; yeah, though for that I don't mind having a daemon to thumb things for me. Apr 01 01:29:34 php based server Apr 01 01:29:35 :) Apr 01 01:29:36 fair enough Apr 01 01:29:47 so I have a 70% qual 800x480 thumb to load Apr 01 01:29:51 or something Apr 01 01:30:13 KotCzarny; interesting, CPU is at 100% for me on the n810 during copy Apr 01 01:30:14 yer, should be tiny files Apr 01 01:30:19 i use wep Apr 01 01:30:23 ah ok :) Apr 01 01:30:56 and cpuinfo shows that cpu is in 160mhz mode Apr 01 01:30:57 ;) Apr 01 01:31:07 im off 2 sleep anyway :) Apr 01 01:31:14 78 root 11 -5 0 0 0 D 37.5 0.0 3:35.01 OMAP McSPI/0 Apr 01 01:31:24 it seems that many apps expect either stuff is on sdcard or explicitly on the internet. I tried running kagu with an NFS mount in its indexing path... bad idea! It actually downloads each song from NFS fully to read ID3 tags Apr 01 01:31:26 that's the most cpu intensive process Apr 01 01:31:29 464 root 10 -5 0 0 0 D 8.2 0.0 1:21.14 cx3110x Apr 01 01:31:47 wifi driver is ~10% Apr 01 01:32:00 * monkeyiq crashes qemu in scratchbox again Apr 01 01:32:05 monkeyiq: how about xmms? Apr 01 01:32:05 ;) Apr 01 01:32:16 seems that sb doesn't much like fedora8 :( Apr 01 01:32:33 vmware.. Apr 01 01:32:42 KotCzarny; I have that installed too, when you accidently minimize xmms things get interesting :) Apr 01 01:32:57 monkeyiq: get my kciconsbox Apr 01 01:32:58 ;) Apr 01 01:33:19 for the situations like this :) Apr 01 01:33:47 hehe, a single google hit! Apr 01 01:33:51 yup Apr 01 01:33:59 it's on the net since yesterday Apr 01 01:34:00 :) Apr 01 01:34:17 and i have to rewrite it properly in c ;) Apr 01 01:34:25 I've been brewing a few debs for the n810 myself... parted is quite handy :) Apr 01 01:34:51 BTW is there a kernel for the n810 that has kernel modules packaged too, like luks, fuse, xfs etc? Apr 01 01:35:11 unfortunately the kernel compile also crashes qemu on fedora8 scratchbox :/ Apr 01 01:35:14 you can get kernel source and make modules yourself Apr 01 01:35:24 So i might end up trying scbox on ubuntu in a vm Apr 01 01:35:53 I was just hoping that some main repo existed to avoid having everyone recompile the kernel. Apr 01 01:35:54 for luks and fuse there are packages i guess Apr 01 01:36:10 user compiled Apr 01 01:36:12 :) Apr 01 01:36:18 ah ok. I saw a luks tar.gz of modules and kernel but the only fuse stuff I found was for the 770 Apr 01 01:36:34 i can give you fuse-sshfs package Apr 01 01:36:36 * monkeyiq is a filesystems kind of guy, just in case you didn't pick up on it :) Apr 01 01:36:36 if you want Apr 01 01:36:37 :) Apr 01 01:36:49 also i can compile xfs Apr 01 01:36:50 repo url? Apr 01 01:36:54 erm Apr 01 01:37:05 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ Apr 01 01:37:06 ;) Apr 01 01:37:11 more like tar.gz Apr 01 01:37:15 than .deb Apr 01 01:37:56 cool. I'll take a look. I might also get the fuse automounter filesystem happening. Apr 01 01:38:11 though a tray icon with mount/umount options would also be quite handy. Apr 01 01:38:19 :) Apr 01 01:38:29 and the ability to automount stuff if a VPN/network came up Apr 01 01:38:38 it's all scriptable Apr 01 01:38:39 I suspect that will be one of my first apps for maemo :) Apr 01 01:38:48 :) Apr 01 01:42:17 one note about xmms, mad plugin is a must Apr 01 01:42:31 builtin mp3 decoder will suck 100% cpu Apr 01 01:42:43 mad gets away with 15% Apr 01 01:42:44 :) Apr 01 01:43:00 ah ok. nice tip. I mostly have ogg/flac, but do have the odd mp3 (haven't actually played an mp3 on the 810 yet) Apr 01 01:45:03 though also I need to work out how to integrate Luks into maemo. with nice login/password dialogs and such Apr 01 01:45:13 python? Apr 01 01:45:14 :) Apr 01 01:45:19 pygtk to be exact Apr 01 01:45:35 having tainted a 810 bootup once, I'm not too happy about testing such dialogs in the boot process on a device Apr 01 01:46:24 fun Apr 01 01:46:25 :) Apr 01 01:46:29 well, the dialog itself I might just make using the gtk2 C api. its more the hookup logistics and getting luks to do the right thing, like flushing a fs key on device lock etc. Apr 01 01:46:51 i hated when my slackware rc.S tried to mount -a my sshfs shares Apr 01 01:46:57 I'll get bacula onto the 810 soon so I don't live in a digital wasteland on it anymore :) Apr 01 01:47:00 adding nosshfs helped ;) Apr 01 01:47:23 yeah, that would kind of suck :) Apr 01 01:51:29 KotCzarny; what linux distro is your sbox installed on? so I can install that in a vm for my custom kernel compiles. (and get xalanc and xqilla to compile without crashing qemu) Apr 01 01:51:38 slackware Apr 01 01:52:16 debian would work too Apr 01 01:52:24 ok thanks :) I was hoping to find a post somewhere about what fedora does to angry up sbox so much, but the only ones I found don't help with the kernel Apr 01 01:52:40 redhat has a bad fame Apr 01 01:52:49 about custom untested patches ;) Apr 01 01:52:50 I might try a vanilla linux kernel on the fedora vmachine that runs sbox to see if that helps Apr 01 01:53:23 I suspect its either the fed kernel or its glibc, hopefully its not the later :/ Apr 01 01:54:02 it's not that bad i think Apr 01 01:54:08 yeah, I might move away to debian at some stage, but I don't switch lightly. Apr 01 01:54:24 install debian on vmware? Apr 01 01:54:25 :> Apr 01 01:54:50 yeah, that is the other option. I already have an ubuntu vm, so just clone that and install sbox on the clone Apr 01 01:55:32 I might end up just using sbox on the ubuntu vm if fedora is going to give me these issues, as that vmachine is just for sbox anyway Apr 01 01:55:45 there's a vmware image anyway Apr 01 01:55:50 ready to consume Apr 01 01:56:02 have you tried it? Apr 01 01:56:28 nup. But installing sbox on a clone isn't hard and will be less bandwidth than downloading a whole vm Apr 01 01:56:37 :) Apr 01 01:56:48 but I'll keep that as a final, last resort :) Apr 01 01:56:53 it's still few hundred mbs Apr 01 01:57:15 for the sb/sdk/update Apr 01 01:57:23 and then brew off a tarball with shitloads of kernel modules. :) Apr 01 01:57:35 not that much Apr 01 01:57:37 really Apr 01 01:57:37 :) Apr 01 01:57:48 most of the kernel branches are cut off Apr 01 01:58:05 s/much/many/ Apr 01 01:58:42 though I did notice a few nice treats when I poked around in menuconfig for the kernel. Apr 01 01:58:49 :) Apr 01 01:59:05 don't forget about randr patch Apr 01 01:59:16 also getting many of the funkier network modules will make for interesting games to play Apr 01 01:59:30 sse2.net/rotate/ Apr 01 01:59:31 :) Apr 01 02:00:16 cool. Apr 01 02:08:47 *&@# Apr 01 02:08:50 ? Apr 01 02:08:55 lol Apr 01 02:09:25 sorry, annoyed because i've been so busy recently i haven't had time to even look at IRC in almost a week Apr 01 02:09:33 life Apr 01 02:09:33 but i'm back :P Apr 01 02:09:41 have you seen my kciconsbox already? Apr 01 02:09:42 :P Apr 01 02:09:48 no? Apr 01 02:09:52 :) Apr 01 02:10:00 i haven't touched my n800 in over a week either <_< Apr 01 02:10:09 Does it still hate you? :P Apr 01 02:10:14 soooo busy... and got a laptop... and my n800 is choking itself to death Apr 01 02:10:21 ah Apr 01 02:10:23 GeneralAntilles: not QUITE as much, but yes it is. Apr 01 02:10:54 one day it wont stay on for more than like 2 minutes at a time, other days it only shuts off two or three times in the whole day Apr 01 02:11:13 'only' Apr 01 02:11:17 <_< Apr 01 02:11:22 :) Apr 01 02:11:28 Sounds like bad hardware. Apr 01 02:11:30 yes. only. compared to about 500 times in a day Apr 01 02:11:42 GeneralAntilles: i think it's watchdog tho... Apr 01 02:11:52 mine shuts down only when i keep it starving too long Apr 01 02:11:54 Well, obviously. Apr 01 02:11:59 But SOMETHING is causing the resets. Apr 01 02:12:06 I'm assuming you've reflashed? Apr 01 02:12:11 rm_you: have you tried disabling wd ? Apr 01 02:12:14 how can i turn off watchdog so i will have time to see? Apr 01 02:12:20 use flasher tool Apr 01 02:12:21 i've tried looking it up and failed Apr 01 02:12:28 i'm on windoze ATM due to work Apr 01 02:12:30 <_< Apr 01 02:12:41 You need the linucks flasher. Apr 01 02:12:50 is there not a way to disable it on the device? Apr 01 02:12:54 like, FROM the device? Apr 01 02:12:58 hmm Apr 01 02:13:02 vmware image is linux :) Apr 01 02:13:03 you can try setting interval Apr 01 02:13:04 Not that I know of. Apr 01 02:13:09 to some high number Apr 01 02:13:21 where is the interval setting? Apr 01 02:13:26 somewhere in /sys Apr 01 02:13:33 by default it's ~60sec Apr 01 02:14:25 /sys/devices/platform/retu-watchdog/ Apr 01 02:14:52 echo 600 > /sys/devices/platform/retu-watchdog/period Apr 01 02:15:13 (haven't tried it, but report if it helps) Apr 01 02:15:33 hmm Apr 01 02:15:36 that would make it every... 600 seconds? Apr 01 02:15:36 seems to be ignored Apr 01 02:15:41 :/ Apr 01 02:15:58 maybe dbus Apr 01 02:16:02 or kernel recompile Apr 01 02:18:59 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ Apr 01 02:19:43 no-omap-wd no-retu-wd no-lifeguard-reset Apr 01 02:19:45 :> Apr 01 02:21:38 flasher --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset Apr 01 02:21:44 probably something like this Apr 01 02:21:52 can i do that without actually flashing the device? Apr 01 02:21:56 yes Apr 01 02:21:59 hrm Apr 01 02:22:00 it's probably setting flags Apr 01 02:22:06 i will try downloading the vmware Apr 01 02:22:08 or... Apr 01 02:22:09 ah! Apr 01 02:22:18 i have an ubuntu livecd somewhere here Apr 01 02:22:23 i can shove that in my laptop Apr 01 02:22:49 Woo! Apr 01 02:22:51 but be aware Apr 01 02:22:57 that if the device really hangs Apr 01 02:23:04 you will have to take out battery Apr 01 02:23:06 to reboot it Apr 01 02:23:07 :) Apr 01 02:23:09 hrm k Apr 01 02:23:13 lets see... Apr 01 02:23:15 because no reboot button Apr 01 02:23:29 do i just plug in the usb and run the flasher? Apr 01 02:23:37 i have no idea how to do this... *sigh* Apr 01 02:23:38 off to forums Apr 01 02:23:40 probably Apr 01 02:23:41 :) Apr 01 02:24:17 i was trying to work on a UT3 mapping project for class, but i need a break >_< Apr 01 02:24:38 flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags Apr 01 02:24:43 That's throw you the options. Apr 01 02:29:13 ima do this i think: Apr 01 02:29:17 ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset Apr 01 02:29:20 look good? Apr 01 02:29:46 probably Apr 01 02:29:51 i'm not sure about --enable-rd-mode Apr 01 02:29:59 well, i never did it Apr 01 02:30:01 but it shouldn't break too much Apr 01 02:30:06 and that makes it easier to sudo, yes? Apr 01 02:30:08 try with and without it Apr 01 02:30:39 you can try testing each wd flag separately Apr 01 02:30:45 Don't you have easyroot or something installed. :P Apr 01 02:30:51 to pinpoint which one is responsible for resets Apr 01 02:30:55 yeah i do.. Apr 01 02:30:56 whatever Apr 01 02:31:13 anyway, so i tried ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags no-omap-wd,no-retu-wd,no-lifeguard-reset Apr 01 02:31:20 and it just prints out the possible rd flags again Apr 01 02:31:34 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd Apr 01 02:31:39 ah Apr 01 02:31:41 =\ Apr 01 02:31:46 doesnt say to use = Apr 01 02:31:52 Meh Apr 01 02:31:54 It's Nokia Apr 01 02:33:01 hrm Apr 01 02:33:09 so now it has a little wrench icon on the load screen ^_^ Apr 01 02:33:20 huh Apr 01 02:33:26 cute Apr 01 02:33:32 It gets old fast. Apr 01 02:33:49 wrench as in 'something is screwed' Apr 01 02:33:50 ;) Apr 01 02:33:54 lol Apr 01 02:34:04 just kidding Apr 01 02:34:04 so how do i make it boot now Apr 01 02:34:11 it's still in USB boot mode Apr 01 02:34:38 flasher-3.0 -R Apr 01 02:34:40 You fail hard Apr 01 02:34:44 How long have you had this thing? :P Apr 01 02:35:17 i never used the linux flasher :P Apr 01 02:35:29 Erg Apr 01 02:35:31 Windows? Apr 01 02:35:37 i have to... for work :/ Apr 01 02:35:40 i program in VB Apr 01 02:35:45 Hahaha Apr 01 02:35:48 * KotCzarny shrugs Apr 01 02:35:52 hrm Apr 01 02:35:55 vb damages brain Apr 01 02:36:01 * KotCzarny shrugs again Apr 01 02:36:03 so i just droped it on my desk from about an inch... and it shut off Apr 01 02:36:14 O.o Apr 01 02:36:20 0.o Apr 01 02:36:22 then it's physical damage Apr 01 02:36:30 That sounds bad Apr 01 02:36:33 somethings is loose on the board Apr 01 02:36:43 Still under warranty? Apr 01 02:36:54 sad, because i've never dropped this thing (besides that same inch maybe once or twice) Apr 01 02:36:59 GeneralAntilles: doubt it :/ Apr 01 02:37:06 It's 1 year Apr 01 02:37:15 bought it on ITT forums used, remember? Apr 01 02:37:19 no idea Apr 01 02:37:22 Ah, right-o. Apr 01 02:37:26 that was last july... Apr 01 02:37:28 Well, couldn't hurt to call, anyway. Apr 01 02:37:33 how can i find out? Apr 01 02:37:36 will they tell me? Apr 01 02:37:39 i dont have a receipt or anything Apr 01 02:37:52 you can tell you lost it Apr 01 02:37:53 ;) Apr 01 02:37:55 lol Apr 01 02:37:56 I just upgraded to Hardy on my laptop...my soundcard *works* but the annoying system beep is somehow also enabled, anyone know how to disable the system beep? Apr 01 02:37:58 They should Apr 01 02:37:59 at least you can try Apr 01 02:38:08 corq-FL, this isn't #ubuntu Apr 01 02:38:17 corq-FL: in like... the terminal? Apr 01 02:38:17 corq: remove the speaker from the case Apr 01 02:38:19 *doh* Apr 01 02:38:22 thx sorry Apr 01 02:38:24 you can disable it in the prefs Apr 01 02:38:35 "terminal bell" checkbox Apr 01 02:38:43 it's annoying as hell Apr 01 02:38:51 usefull Apr 01 02:38:53 sometimes Apr 01 02:39:04 if you're afk Apr 01 02:39:06 :) Apr 01 02:40:03 yay - ah thank you - as it happens my Nokia 810 is working peachy thus far =) Apr 01 02:40:05 Visual bell is worse. Apr 01 02:42:01 Our manufacturing records indicate that your device, serial number 00194F######, may not be in warranty. Please visit our Warranty section or reference your purchase documentation for detailed information about your device's limited warranty. If you determine that your device is within the warranty period, a copy of the proof of purchase is required for repair. Apr 01 02:42:13 ah, well Apr 01 02:42:50 orly? Apr 01 02:42:52 Huh Apr 01 02:43:00 that's what their support site says Apr 01 02:43:03 Friend up mine just had his fixed after the faceplate fell off Apr 01 02:43:12 Didn't need proof of purchase. Apr 01 02:43:15 Weird Apr 01 02:43:28 worth a shot Apr 01 02:43:41 online sale or lost receipt way Apr 01 02:43:42 :) Apr 01 02:44:13 in the worst case you can get back money for parts Apr 01 02:44:17 hrm Apr 01 02:44:18 (on ebay) Apr 01 02:44:25 i could always open it up and try to find the problem Apr 01 02:44:34 and take a soldering iron to it, if it's a loose connection Apr 01 02:44:38 only after calling nokia Apr 01 02:44:48 and thheir refusal to take it Apr 01 02:45:45 Good luck with that. Apr 01 02:46:38 well Apr 01 02:46:46 Just remember to follow thoughtfix's disassembly instructions and be VERY careful with the LCD connector. Apr 01 02:47:17 GeneralAntilles: do me a favor... turn one of your n800s off, take out the battery/SD cards Apr 01 02:47:23 and shake it near your ear Apr 01 02:47:31 OFF? Apr 01 02:47:32 lol Apr 01 02:47:35 But my uptime. ;_; Apr 01 02:47:42 and tell me if you hear something rattling Apr 01 02:47:47 towards the DPAD area Apr 01 02:47:48 One's 250 miles south with my sister, anyway. :P Apr 01 02:47:56 'course Apr 01 02:48:05 The buttons are loose. Apr 01 02:48:09 not the buttons Apr 01 02:48:14 i'm holding all those down tight Apr 01 02:48:22 rm_you: no rattling Apr 01 02:48:27 The internal card latch? Apr 01 02:48:30 but i didn't turn it off Apr 01 02:48:34 GeneralAntilles: no Apr 01 02:48:35 i really hate the folks who buy PSPs, NDSs and Iphones and then feel all clever because they broke the license agreement Apr 01 02:48:44 Haha Apr 01 02:48:46 pupnik, woo \o/ Apr 01 02:49:02 Yes, there's still a rattle Apr 01 02:49:07 pupnik: i greatly enjoyed breaking the license agreement on my DS when i installed DSLinux ^_^ Apr 01 02:49:08 pupnik: and then fail at the next firmware update? Apr 01 02:49:10 I want to buy a PSP to break the license agreement Apr 01 02:49:12 With both the sd latch and buttons held down Apr 01 02:49:31 Maybe the camera wire. Apr 01 02:49:38 well breaking the license agreement is ok. just ... the mfgrs closed system sucks Apr 01 02:49:41 sorry i am incoherent Apr 01 02:49:44 * GeneralAntilles puts his N800 back together. Apr 01 02:49:55 GeneralAntilles: yeah i think you're right Apr 01 02:50:10 i pulled out the camera and it still rattled, but then i turned it all the way around and it stopped the rattle Apr 01 02:53:23 yeah ok, i dont know if it's a good idea, but recent testing shows that repeatedly smacking the n800 lightly against my hand from about two inches away *will* make it reboot Apr 01 02:53:56 :/ Apr 01 02:54:10 GeneralAntilles: want to try with yours and see if you can replicate my issue? :P Apr 01 02:54:15 rofl Apr 01 02:54:27 rm_you: i was carrying mine in backpack whole day Apr 01 02:54:33 and it didn't reboot Apr 01 02:54:35 I've done it getting the battery out. Apr 01 02:54:41 No, it doesn't Apr 01 02:54:49 and I've dropped it onto hard floors more than once Apr 01 02:54:51 No dice. :P Apr 01 02:54:51 and my backpack is quite hard place to live :> Apr 01 02:55:27 hrmrm Apr 01 02:55:34 i can't find a number for nokia Apr 01 02:55:38 so soldering iron it is Apr 01 02:56:11 how good are you with smds ? Apr 01 02:56:12 :> Apr 01 02:56:44 1-800-1URFAULT **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 01 02:59:56 2008