**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 02 02:59:57 2008 Apr 02 03:00:02 or just making osk persistent but minimizeable Apr 02 03:00:54 or as an high priority icon in the status bar Apr 02 03:01:07 so it does not disappear.. Apr 02 03:01:09 that wouldn't work for full screen apps Apr 02 03:01:15 true Apr 02 03:01:15 ie. games Apr 02 03:01:27 so always on top in the corner Apr 02 03:01:46 btw. xvkbd IS stable Apr 02 03:01:54 and doesn't have xkbd problems Apr 02 03:02:13 i have to recompile it hinted to be a util window Apr 02 03:02:16 yes but they are all hacks... Apr 02 03:02:25 tama: i can live with hacks Apr 02 03:02:30 people hack windows too Apr 02 03:02:34 iphone too Apr 02 03:02:37 everything Apr 02 03:02:47 but you know what's sad? Apr 02 03:02:52 archos is not hackable Apr 02 03:02:54 ;) Apr 02 03:03:04 ?_? Apr 02 03:03:22 google for: hacking archos 704 Apr 02 03:03:23 ;) Apr 02 03:03:29 you know xkbd will minimize to a tiny icon in the corner of the screen, yes? Apr 02 03:03:30 my point was that I wanted to add functionality not to hack in functionality Apr 02 03:03:40 pupnik: yes, but xkbd is unstable Apr 02 03:03:49 so lets make it stable Apr 02 03:04:01 (reliable, not-broken, whatever) Apr 02 03:04:05 pupnik: xvkbd is stable Apr 02 03:04:07 :) Apr 02 03:04:18 and it has similiar features Apr 02 03:04:25 i tried it a while back. do you have a binary? Apr 02 03:04:35 tama: you name it 'adding' i name it 'hacking' Apr 02 03:04:53 result is the same, missing funtionality is on the device after that Apr 02 03:05:06 pupnik: should be somewhere on my site Apr 02 03:05:09 let me check Apr 02 03:05:31 i still have sources from 12-2006 in my scratchbox Apr 02 03:06:34 2.7 and 2.8 Apr 02 03:08:03 trying buildpackage now Apr 02 03:08:12 mm? Apr 02 03:08:22 ah Apr 02 03:08:38 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/ Apr 02 03:08:43 ty Apr 02 03:08:54 but as i said it needs to be recompiled and rehinted Apr 02 03:09:09 it was one of my first compilations in sb Apr 02 03:09:09 :) Apr 02 03:09:45 i think i have compiled it statically agains libxaw3d Apr 02 03:09:51 rehinted meaning fonts not displaying correctly? Apr 02 03:09:56 no Apr 02 03:10:05 rehinted meaning not taking whole screen Apr 02 03:10:06 :) Apr 02 03:10:12 because of matchbox policy Apr 02 03:10:18 ah Apr 02 03:10:19 to resize windows Apr 02 03:10:46 you know more about X than me. this is good Apr 02 03:10:51 lol Apr 02 03:11:03 i only know what i saw in includes/sources Apr 02 03:11:07 and from some tests Apr 02 03:11:49 would it be easier to fix xkbd missing keys or fix xvkbd to display in a small window on-top? Apr 02 03:11:54 hmm Apr 02 03:12:08 making smaller window is a 1-2 liner Apr 02 03:12:15 fixing xkbd is bughunting Apr 02 03:12:27 and you know what fun is bughunting Apr 02 03:12:27 ;) Apr 02 03:12:39 ok Apr 02 03:12:54 building xvkbd complains about missing -lXaw3d Apr 02 03:12:58 yes Apr 02 03:13:00 :) Apr 02 03:13:10 i have provided xaw3d sources too Apr 02 03:13:26 i can put the .a file of it too Apr 02 03:14:57 i don't see makefile in sources for xaw3d Apr 02 03:15:06 xmkmf Apr 02 03:15:17 it doesn't exists in sb Apr 02 03:15:27 but i ran it outside sb in that dir Apr 02 03:15:31 and it was enough Apr 02 03:15:49 thanks Apr 02 03:15:56 somehow i have xmkmf in scratchbox Apr 02 03:16:00 :) Apr 02 03:16:23 xmkmf is a nightmare of the xfree Apr 02 03:16:35 was deprecated with modular x.org Apr 02 03:16:37 i guess Apr 02 03:18:13 thanks man Apr 02 03:19:58 Apr 2 2008 xvkbd_2.8-1_armel.deb Apr 02 03:20:24 but it still needs fixing Apr 02 03:20:25 :) Apr 02 03:20:46 or it's already packaged by someone? Apr 02 03:20:55 i don't think so Apr 02 03:20:59 just built it Apr 02 03:25:24 i really like the full keyboard layout Apr 02 03:36:42 KotCzarny: how about a loadable kernel module that just draws the alphanumeric glyphs on the framebuffer no matter what X is doing? :) Apr 02 03:37:00 that's what lcuk is aiming for Apr 02 03:37:00 ;) Apr 02 03:40:53 http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox-key.txt Apr 02 03:40:55 :) Apr 02 04:02:25 KotCzarny: http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg Apr 02 04:02:46 hmm i screwed up the background pic Apr 02 04:02:52 what's that? Apr 02 04:02:55 i mean the kb Apr 02 04:03:01 i just drew it Apr 02 04:03:06 oh Apr 02 04:03:07 :) Apr 02 04:03:26 make outlines wider Apr 02 04:03:50 yeah it's just to show the idea Apr 02 04:04:54 but the resolution is exactly 800 wide, so it would be readable i think Apr 02 04:05:14 maybe inverted colors too Apr 02 04:05:54 yes either white/black or black white - preferable provide both schemes Apr 02 04:07:27 my google skills fail me Apr 02 04:32:07 hi Apr 02 04:32:56 hi Apr 02 04:38:02 can i just copy the directory with all my man and info pages from my ubuntu laptop to my tablet? man on the n800 is a bit lean... Apr 02 04:38:47 yes Apr 02 04:39:14 but docpurge probably will remove them anyway Apr 02 04:39:16 ;) Apr 02 04:41:37 grrrr....how do I stop that? I want the man pages, and I have 3GB free still.... Apr 02 04:41:48 so i have plenty of space... Apr 02 04:42:00 install them somewhere else than /usr/man Apr 02 04:42:10 for example to /media/mmc2/man Apr 02 04:42:18 autoexec.cfg where is this file? Apr 02 04:42:35 then read man page how to setup man for a new folder Apr 02 04:42:47 cool....thanks Apr 02 04:44:32 KotCzarny? Apr 02 04:44:45 italodance: it's a linux Apr 02 04:45:01 you should really learn linux basics Apr 02 04:45:52 just tell me where can i find autoexec.cfg? Apr 02 04:51:10 it is on internal memory and not for mmc1/2 Apr 02 04:53:18 afaik linux has no autoexec.cfg.... if there is one you should be able to find more that you want to know about it with a google search Apr 02 04:54:48 pupnik: i've done it, whoo! Apr 02 04:55:04 now.. the hiding part ;) Apr 02 04:55:21 very nice Apr 02 04:56:13 i have put a binary in the usual place Apr 02 04:56:19 start with -geometry -1-1 Apr 02 04:56:35 Downloaded: 939,339,582 bytes in 2747 files Apr 02 04:56:37 O.o Apr 02 04:56:45 repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook mirrored Apr 02 04:56:46 :) Apr 02 04:57:05 now lets have fun with extras ;) Apr 02 05:00:40 someone here works with carman : Apr 02 05:02:24 WorkingOnWise OK! Apr 02 05:03:48 hmm, xvkbd is fun with osso-xterm Apr 02 05:04:03 sending enter turn builtin osk on/off Apr 02 05:04:05 *grin* Apr 02 05:58:26 hey Apr 02 05:58:46 is n810 wimax edition still released.. :D Apr 02 06:00:02 *announced Apr 02 06:08:11 lol Apr 02 06:08:19 it's not midnight everywhere yet Apr 02 06:08:29 at nokia hq it is! Apr 02 06:08:30 :) Apr 02 06:08:35 true Apr 02 06:08:50 i'll still not get the wimax Apr 02 06:08:54 i live in the same country.. Apr 02 06:09:01 9am it is Apr 02 06:09:06 11pm Apr 02 06:09:43 altho i dont need wimax.. about to get new phone and use 3g.. Apr 02 06:09:44 2am Apr 02 06:10:19 i have evdo and am looking at one of the docking cradles Apr 02 06:10:25 1mbit costs 19,90 euros per month Apr 02 06:13:11 how's the pricing elsewhere Apr 02 06:13:45 no wimax here... yet Apr 02 06:13:56 i was talkin about about 3g Apr 02 06:14:04 n wimax here either Apr 02 06:14:09 http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/04/01/microsoft_takes_a_deep_breath_ooxml_now_an_iso_iec_standard/ Apr 02 06:14:14 bad karma. Apr 02 06:46:51 < -- really dumb Apr 02 06:46:56 forgot about the internal flash drive issue Apr 02 06:47:00 backed up to it and reflashed Apr 02 06:47:05 and notice, doh, my backup ain't there Apr 02 06:47:09 :> Apr 02 06:47:59 yeah Apr 02 06:47:59 doh Apr 02 06:57:23 ouch Apr 02 07:13:57 my tablet was so crufted out Apr 02 07:14:04 after 2 months of plugging everything in and out of it Apr 02 07:14:06 for software Apr 02 07:17:25 dieman_: whats the "internal flash drive" issue? Apr 02 07:18:22 some of the n810's shipped had their fat parition set larger than the physical device Apr 02 07:18:33 so if you did a bit of writing to it, at some point you'd have a bad filesystem Apr 02 07:24:41 oh, well good to know Apr 02 07:26:11 i have been trying to find 8GB mmc card that would come with n+1 kinds of adapaters. so that i can plug-it in even to my gramma's cassette player :P Apr 02 07:26:17 but no luck from local shops Apr 02 07:26:20 is there mbmon or similar to os2008? Apr 02 07:28:09 any sensors in chips? Apr 02 07:28:47 yep Apr 02 07:28:52 there's a sensors app too Apr 02 07:28:55 *applet Apr 02 07:29:04 not sure of the name though, look on garage.maemo.org Apr 02 07:29:29 thanks Apr 02 07:49:18 Morning, all Apr 02 07:57:04 pupnik: ping Apr 02 08:02:09 good morning Apr 02 08:04:36 Morning.. Apr 02 08:05:18 Jaffa: Thanks for the blog post ;) Now we just need some people to add their PC applications. Apr 02 08:05:29 huh? Apr 02 08:06:12 KotCzarny: I add a PC category to the downloads section of maemo.org. Apr 02 08:06:23 define 'pc category' Apr 02 08:06:32 because i see m$ windows Apr 02 08:06:39 :) Apr 02 08:07:24 KotCzarny: Apr 02 08:07:31 KotCzarny: OS 2006 Apr 02 08:07:31 OS 2007 Apr 02 08:07:31 OS 2008 Apr 02 08:07:31 PC Apr 02 08:07:31 Categories Apr 02 08:07:33 * 2 applications in Multimedia Apr 02 08:07:36 Add an application to the catalog. Apr 02 08:07:37 ah. Apr 02 08:07:38 OS & SDK Apr 02 08:07:41 OS images to reflash your tablet: N810 - N800 - 770. Apr 02 08:07:42 i understand now Apr 02 08:07:44 maemo SDK for developers: Chinook - Bora - Gregale. Apr 02 08:07:46 Damn.. sorry guys ;) Apr 02 08:08:00 Copy-paste gone wrong :( Apr 02 08:08:01 pc like video converter for m$ win? Apr 02 08:08:02 :) Apr 02 08:08:13 Yeah, non-tablet software.. Apr 02 08:08:27 but useful for IT Apr 02 08:08:28 :) Apr 02 08:08:32 Yep Apr 02 08:08:54 like diablo2 (over vnc) Apr 02 08:08:55 ;) Apr 02 08:09:58 Uhu ;) Apr 02 08:17:46 ok, if anyone needs stable osk here's one: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/xvkbd Apr 02 08:18:34 has working 'alt' and rest of the keys Apr 02 08:18:43 doesn't barf like xkbd Apr 02 08:18:45 :) Apr 02 08:20:17 bon dia / good morning Apr 02 08:20:28 bon bon Apr 02 08:30:48 how in the fuck do I get maemo weather to let me add a station? I get nothing for "Country", and it does not send anything over the internet. Apr 02 08:30:56 stop saying fuck Apr 02 08:31:02 in the past it just took forever for it to give me a country list, now it gives me nothing Apr 02 08:31:11 Did you guys notice that there will be an Update All button in the new Application Manager? And also updates notification? Apr 02 08:31:50 it would be nice if I had applications that didn't take an act of god to make work properly Apr 02 08:32:04 I had it working before I reinstalled everything, but now I can't get it to do shit Apr 02 08:32:56 I'm monitoring my network traffic, and it is not sending anything to get a list of countries online Apr 02 08:36:31 nobody knows how to make this god damn thing work like it is supposed to? Apr 02 08:40:56 anyone want to buy a N800...less than 3 months old Apr 02 08:41:15 wf: how much? Apr 02 08:42:01 I don't know Apr 02 08:42:05 lol Apr 02 08:42:10 I have a 4 gig card with it too Apr 02 08:42:17 i don't need a sd card Apr 02 08:42:23 I'm just sick of this shit! Apr 02 08:42:24 you can reuse it too Apr 02 08:42:31 I have nothing else that uses SD Apr 02 08:42:40 the ONLY reason I bought this SD was for the N800 Apr 02 08:42:40 Bummer. Apr 02 08:42:50 my camera uses CF Apr 02 08:43:12 the damn thing won't turn on with the old kernels Apr 02 08:43:23 why should you use old kernels Apr 02 08:43:32 I have problems with the wireless....most of the time it will not get an address from the dhcp server Apr 02 08:43:43 I expect it to work when it is brand new Apr 02 08:43:50 it works for me Apr 02 08:43:50 I must use the new kernels if I want to turn it on Apr 02 08:43:59 and probably for many, many other people Apr 02 08:44:20 when I'm on a 15 hour plane trip, and I have to turn it off for take off, and I can't turn it back on, it gets very frustrating Apr 02 08:44:31 WormFood: What are you trying to archive with your rant about a device in the channel that basically contains only owners/supporters? ;) Apr 02 08:44:35 and that was BEFORE the new kernel Apr 02 08:45:13 I'd be happy if someone told me how to make maemo weather give me a list of countries and locations I can choose from Apr 02 08:45:19 but even basic simple shit does not work Apr 02 08:45:34 I remember last time it seemed to take forever for it to update that list, but now it does not seem to update at all Apr 02 08:45:41 Blafasel: to prove that we are all morons perhaps Apr 02 08:46:11 fuck you jani, I never said nor suggested that Apr 02 08:46:12 WormFood: It probably fetches weather from weather.com or another source like that. Perhaps the server is slow/down? Apr 02 08:46:25 X-Fade_, I'm monitoring the network traffic Apr 02 08:46:28 it is not slow or down Apr 02 08:46:35 WormFood: mm .. if your wlan is down how can it update the stations ? or these 2 cases arent happening at the same time ? Apr 02 08:46:38 I enter a usa zip code and it fetches weather just fine Apr 02 08:46:55 WormFood: Please be a little more polite. Apr 02 08:46:58 jani, I said it won't fetch an ip address from dhcp most of the time Apr 02 08:47:18 X-Fade_, jani shouldn't put words in my mouth Apr 02 08:47:50 I know there are some smart people here, and you guys have been helpful in the past Apr 02 08:48:00 WormFood: Count to 10 before reacting ;) Makes life a lot more pleasant for everybody. Apr 02 08:48:12 I'm just not in the mood to fight with this shit when it should be simple and straight forward Apr 02 08:49:07 oh yeah, and when I give it my zip code, it still does not work....real nice! Apr 02 08:49:23 no doubt it wants something other than my zipcode Apr 02 08:53:13 Huh? You claim confusing things. Most of the time you get no IP address via dhcp. Is this one of these cases? It works with a USA zip? It doesn't with your zip (whereever you are) though? Apr 02 08:54:03 Blafasel, you're not paying attention...I said the network does not work as it should as MOST of time it will not fetch an IP from the DHCP server Apr 02 08:54:09 obviously that is not my problem now Apr 02 08:54:09 You are currently only ranting about "shit", adding a "fuck" or "damn" randomly. Describe your problem a little less confusing and less emotional and someone might be able to help. Apr 02 08:54:23 WormFood: Obviously nothing is obvious right now. Apr 02 08:54:44 even that obviousliness isn't obvious Apr 02 08:55:04 StackOverflow Apr 02 08:55:11 Lol green people Apr 02 08:55:16 I'm not in usa, so as expected, it does not recognize my zip code Apr 02 08:55:18 core dump! core dump! Apr 02 08:55:35 I manually add a station and give it a usa zip code, and that works fine Apr 02 08:55:59 it WAS working 1-2 months ago Apr 02 08:56:33 I have to ask the default support question: What did you change? Apr 02 08:56:35 now I have reinstalled my entire system to update to the newest OS2008, because I was unlucky enough to have one of the shit N800s that won't turn on Apr 02 08:57:15 Maybe if you were nicer to it and used less swear words it would turn on Apr 02 08:57:36 maybe if I grind it under the heel of my boot it will turn on Apr 02 08:58:17 well, whatever turns it on :) Apr 02 08:58:18 Yeah do that... Then youll have no tablet and it could go back to sivilized chat in here Apr 02 08:58:19 that was the ONLY reason I upgraded it to the newest OS2008 Apr 02 08:58:25 :) Apr 02 08:59:02 wormfood: just sell it and buy iphone Apr 02 08:59:12 So - which version of omweather are you talking about anyway? Apr 02 08:59:17 I really had no desire to update to the newest OS2008 and reinstall everything....the only reason I did that is to fix the problem that was supposed to fix Apr 02 08:59:22 0.19.6 I presume? Apr 02 08:59:26 n8x0 is more for people who like to hack it Apr 02 08:59:40 whatever is the newest that downloads from the installer Apr 02 08:59:50 I love to hack stuff, but I did not buy this to hack Apr 02 08:59:58 Or for people who dont go hulk when something doesnt work Apr 02 09:00:12 I bought this for one reason, and one reason only....to make sip phone calls over the internet on it Apr 02 09:00:46 and I'm really pissed about that, because it works beautifully on my home network, but when I'm on the other side of the planet I can't do ANYTHING to get sip working (and yes I forwarded all the proper ports) Apr 02 09:01:17 Go home and call from there then Apr 02 09:01:57 this is some bullshit! I uninstall omweather, and reinstall it, and it says I need to reboot....so I reboot, and now all the countries are there Apr 02 09:02:06 heh Apr 02 09:02:08 Does pidgin have ignore user for irc? Apr 02 09:02:12 it never said I need to reboot after I installed omweather the first time Apr 02 09:02:24 Give me a sec. I'm just installing the (useless?) omweather stuff. Apr 02 09:02:35 that it needs to reboot is slightly wtf in itself Apr 02 09:02:41 Cptn-N800, it is a normal feature of irc, try /ignore Apr 02 09:02:59 i think freenode might even have serverside ignore Apr 02 09:03:03 yeah, I was thinking the same thing too...why the hell would a weather app need to reboot the device...is this windows? Apr 02 09:04:04 Blafasel, when it worked it was great, I really liked it a lot and used it all the time (not that I really trust weather reports, but my girl liked it) Apr 02 09:04:36 I have the most leet weather system ever Apr 02 09:04:47 A window :) Apr 02 09:05:00 thats pretty high tech :) Apr 02 09:05:06 it doesn't support temp. reading Apr 02 09:05:11 real time updates etc. Apr 02 09:05:23 I remember the weather rock Apr 02 09:05:28 when it is wet, it is raining Apr 02 09:05:33 Real time update, better accuracy, amimated preview Apr 02 09:05:55 throw the weather rock, and it is animated then ;) Apr 02 09:06:12 better? Apr 02 09:06:15 i disagree Apr 02 09:07:00 but one of the things I like about the weather app (that I don't get with a window), is I plug in my home zip to see the weather there Apr 02 09:07:18 wormfood, for a start try pinging that site from device Apr 02 09:07:38 I find it interesting that many times my home area has very similar weather to me on the other side of the planet Apr 02 09:08:01 KotCzarny, I know I can hit the site just fine because it updates the weather when I manually give it my home (usa) zip Apr 02 09:08:24 then check if they support anything else than usa Apr 02 09:08:32 this is nice...now it lets me select the country, but it won't select the province Apr 02 09:08:51 KotCzarny, I know for a fact it supported my country in the past....I was using it last month Apr 02 09:09:25 software changes Apr 02 09:09:36 did they change something to cause my problems? Apr 02 09:09:38 do they have client for windows/linux too? Apr 02 09:10:04 not sure, I never use it on my laptop Apr 02 09:10:10 then check Apr 02 09:10:31 if it works on the laptop you can try finding out if there were any changes lately Apr 02 09:10:36 in their software Apr 02 09:11:31 N810 wimax edition. No N800 :( Apr 02 09:11:46 and it won't let me select "中国" as my country ;) Apr 02 09:12:58 actually it does let me select "中国", but under its western name Apr 02 09:14:15 did I overlook it, or is there no "reboot" option from the GUI? ("init 6" works tho) Apr 02 09:14:48 try pushing the power button? Apr 02 09:14:49 it's hidden Apr 02 09:15:14 the power button only lets you turn it off Apr 02 09:15:22 I mean, in addition to other things Apr 02 09:15:31 KotCzarny, are you serious, or just joking? Apr 02 09:15:34 you can enable that option in power menu Apr 02 09:15:39 just google for it Apr 02 09:15:51 it's a simple uncomment in one of the config files Apr 02 09:16:24 if you're lazy just kill some system process Apr 02 09:16:28 not very user friendly for the non-geek Apr 02 09:16:42 non-geek shouldn't reboot it on a whim Apr 02 09:16:50 would a non-geek be obsessed about finding restart when there is shutdown? Apr 02 09:17:04 Lol Apr 02 09:18:23 true Jiten, the non-geek wouldn't question the lack of a reboot Apr 02 09:18:48 KotCzarny, it isn't a whim, when apps require a reboot Apr 02 09:18:51 * WormFood sighs Apr 02 09:19:05 this is linux...why would anything require a reboot other than a hardware or kernel change? Apr 02 09:19:07 Just turn it off and on again Apr 02 09:19:16 it's maemo Apr 02 09:19:18 or do i need to call the it crowd to tell you that? :D Apr 02 09:19:54 WormFood: sometimes mystical memory problems are most efficiently taken care of a reboot, at least. Apr 02 09:20:51 it's still possible to make a package with some initialization scripts that only get run on boot but ... that sounds a bit weird. Apr 02 09:20:52 seriously, the only time I reboot linux (on my desktop/server) is for a kernel parameter that can only be changed at boottime, a kernel change, or a hardware change. Apr 02 09:21:17 even on a server/desktop, when something wants to run a boottime, I just manually run it Apr 02 09:21:32 Reboot on maemo fixes shit. Thats life :p Apr 02 09:21:36 on desktop I tend to find and run them manually but on n800 it's much easier to just reboot. Apr 02 09:21:39 I can't imagine why omweather would want a reboot (or I can't imagine any legit reason) Apr 02 09:22:24 and it won't let me select a province for my country...I suspect that field is only for canada or something Apr 02 09:22:59 Make a bookmark to an online weather site Apr 02 09:23:07 WormFood: btw, when you arent getting that ip from dhcp, is not normal wlan or wimax ? Apr 02 09:23:25 anyways, it is almost 5:30, and I need to do some work before 6pm Apr 02 09:23:26 from maemo: Apr 02 09:23:27 You can also edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and uncomment reboot item so it in not inside . Apr 02 09:23:28 After one reboot you have 'reboot' item in power key menu. But true that this can't 'reboot your tablet without using the tablet power buttton'. Apr 02 09:23:43 jani, it is a normal wlan Apr 02 09:23:56 ok. Apr 02 09:24:14 thanks KotCzarny, that was the file I was looking for I couldn't find on google Apr 02 09:24:34 jani, I was here not long ago, and we (me and other guys) were trying to figure out the root of the dhcp problem Apr 02 09:25:09 I think it happens most of the time with weak signal APs, but it was happening to me with a strong signal, but I can't reproduce the problem now Apr 02 10:29:31 I know this is a long shot, but none of you ever had to work with tcpstream (cc++) Apr 02 10:31:36 ? Apr 02 10:35:27 Hello all. Could someone recommend a good tutorial for writing makefiles? I am started to get confused with what cflags/libs I need to add to the makefile to me able to import certain libraries. Apr 02 10:52:57 hullfandan: this is not a "tutorial for writing makefiles", this is "user's guide of certain library". Apr 02 10:53:03 hullfandan: if you're using GNOME infrastructure, correct make options are fetched from pkg-config. If not, deal with each library individually Apr 02 10:57:35 I am very new to makefiles so I just wanted a general tutorial so I understand the fundamentals Apr 02 10:58:04 I see what you mean about libraries though. I managed to add sdl calls as my app is hopefully going to be a full screen game Apr 02 10:59:04 Tobotras: Thanks, I will look into pkg-config, I've not used that yet I don't think. I have just been manually adding libs/cflags soo far Apr 02 11:00:36 pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 Apr 02 11:00:38 -lglib-2.0 Apr 02 11:00:43 hullfandan: that's your linking flag Apr 02 11:01:07 oh yeah :) Apr 02 11:01:48 I then add things like sdl-config Apr 02 11:02:03 no, you add things line pkg-config sdl :) Apr 02 11:02:28 LIBS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --libs` `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL Apr 02 11:02:28 If SDL comes with sdl.pc file Apr 02 11:02:36 seems to work Apr 02 11:02:55 more through trial and error though probably :D Apr 02 11:03:07 ah Apr 02 11:03:43 starting to get confused now i am adding osso and other libs, etc Apr 02 11:03:50 hullfandan: you directly typed "-lSDL", why do you need '*config'? :) Apr 02 11:04:18 pass :) Apr 02 11:04:18 hullfandan: pkg-config --libs libosso Apr 02 11:05:29 so I would add that like this 'pkg-config --libs libosso' after the other libs. Apr 02 11:06:05 The reason i asked about tutorial is that I have seen makefiles where they use $(name of library) as a variable Apr 02 11:06:15 I wanted to do soemthing like that to keep things tidier too Apr 02 11:10:37 Tobotras: So where so I find that libosso is the way to add the osso library? I can;t see it in the doxygene docs for osso so where do I find this information for new libraries? Apr 02 11:29:20 anyone know how to "stop matchbox with dsmetool" as referred to at http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.devel/2005-10/msg00308.html ?? Apr 02 11:34:30 msh_: 'source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop' for example Apr 02 11:34:56 aah, I was running it as root. Apr 02 11:34:58 thanks :) Apr 02 11:38:20 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/UI/Designs/TouchScreen/Proposal6 looks quite cool. Anyone played with Mozilla's fennenc build? Apr 02 11:42:40 hullfandan: i dont understand your question =) Apr 02 11:45:09 Jaffa: I was just installing it to test ;) Apr 02 11:45:19 10.3MB download though.. Apr 02 11:46:02 Ouch. Won't be doing that over 3G Apr 02 11:46:40 I'll let you know how it works/feels. Apr 02 11:47:23 Installer is pegged at 100%cpu for 3 minutes already and the progress bar is at 10% :) Apr 02 11:47:25 Ah, I now have wifi at work :-) Apr 02 11:47:33 I'll let you play first ;-) Apr 02 11:49:02 Hmm it creates 2 icons. Minefield and Fennec Apr 02 11:50:11 First startup is about 30 seconds ;) Apr 02 11:50:59 I was intrigued by the comment on the design doc which said double-tap was zoom. Would be cool to see if that's Mobile Safari like Apr 02 11:52:12 Hmm it doesn't scroll visually. It only updates the image when you let go of the screen. Apr 02 11:52:35 That sounds entirely useless :) Apr 02 11:53:15 Nah, it is not that bad. It scrolls the amount you have moved your stylus. Apr 02 11:53:33 But it is not 'live'. Apr 02 11:53:58 Ah, it is just that it is eating too much cpu. Apr 02 11:54:03 ah Apr 02 11:54:07 It has kinetic scrolling :) Apr 02 11:54:20 Which is seriously cpu-intensive.. Apr 02 11:54:53 * Jaffa wonders if iPhone-like fudging (render as blocky image and scroll that, then crisp up the display) would be effective Apr 02 11:55:46 It doesn't seem to zoom on double-click yet. Apr 02 11:56:57 It doesn't seem to do zooming at all yet. Apr 02 11:58:03 One thing to notice about Fennec is that it doesn't have any scrollbars. Apr 02 12:00:39 Ah! It does do zooming, you just need to slow double click.. like 1 sec apart. Apr 02 12:00:46 Sweet ;) Apr 02 12:01:31 And kinetic scrolling on maemo.org is doable, on slashdot.org it is just too heavy. Apr 02 12:05:23 The UI spec claimed they'd appear only during dragging. What that means for positional indicators when you're not dragging, I'm not sure. Apr 02 12:05:38 X-Fade: is it an HTML block-element zoom? Apr 02 12:06:00 Jaffa: Yeah, I can double click on columns and they zoom to full screen.. Apr 02 12:06:22 But the scrolling doesn't show the translucent scrollbars. Apr 02 12:06:58 So allits "it's so fast, oooh" comments were - to be frank - a pile of crap. Doesn't matter how fast your JS engine is if the UI is as slow as treacle ;-) Apr 02 12:07:34 Yeah, it has some nice features. But rendering seems very slow.. Apr 02 12:07:47 Microb is 10 times faster in rendering it seems. Apr 02 12:07:56 Which is pretty weird. Apr 02 12:11:06 whoops Apr 02 12:11:51 * Jaffa is installing it now Apr 02 12:14:47 It's not *that* slow. Kinetic scrolling is nice Apr 02 12:17:26 Jaffa: Well, 2fps perhaps? Apr 02 12:17:41 Try slashdot.org or planet.gnome.org ;) Apr 02 12:19:19 Double-tap zooming seems a bit unreliable in detecting the taps Apr 02 12:19:39 You need to tap in the exact same position on the screen. Apr 02 12:19:46 yeah Apr 02 12:20:01 You can also drag all images btw ;) Apr 02 12:20:06 Although it's slower than microb, I feel a lot more comofrtable using it knowing that a drag isn't going to jitter or randomly select text Apr 02 12:20:26 Viewing p.m.o on microb is an unfun experience trying to drag-scroll Apr 02 12:20:50 Yeah on some divs it messes up.. Apr 02 12:21:50 Oh it does that too in fennec.. Apr 02 12:22:07 Try to scroll when you click inside a bubble.. Apr 02 12:25:02 Oh yeah, it's just as crap - if not more so. Apr 02 12:25:15 I said the bubbles were a bad idea ;-) Apr 02 12:25:26 Hmm no, it seems that it is a redraw problem.. Apr 02 12:25:47 nice Apr 02 12:25:57 Redraw costs too much cpu and so it looks messed up. But if you wait 10 secs, it gets better ;) Apr 02 12:26:15 For a mobile device, p.m.o is a real trial of torture - ironic really Apr 02 12:26:19 Oh yeah, it's caught up now Apr 02 12:26:39 Jaffa: Don't test it without the cpu applet running ;) Apr 02 12:26:51 So you can see what the device is doing.. Apr 02 12:27:05 :) Apr 02 12:27:09 SSH in and top Apr 02 12:32:55 Jaffa: I think the browser has potential, but I would really like to see what Webkit will do on the device. Apr 02 12:36:13 X-Fade: tried Midori? Apr 02 12:36:28 solmumaha: Not yet. Apr 02 12:37:04 Jaffa: Minefield that comes with fennec does render faster. So the kinetic scrolling thing is slowing it down. Apr 02 12:37:50 solmumaha: Do you know if midori can also run with the webkit that is in extras? Apr 02 12:40:11 nope, i tried Bundyos packages Apr 02 12:41:02 i guess it doesn't hurt to try Apr 02 12:41:27 it worked quite well for such a quick port Apr 02 12:43:00 X-Fade: with Diablo bringing WRT support, we might see a push for S60 compatibility and so a WebKit renderer Apr 02 12:44:26 Jaffa: Well, there seem to be webkit package in extras optimized for the tablet. But why only the libs ;) Apr 02 13:23:29 X-Fade: have you played with the kinetic scrolling in Diablo in libgtkmozembed (and microb)? Apr 02 13:24:08 Jaffa: I don't have access to that :( Apr 02 13:24:35 :( Apr 02 13:25:22 I'm just a community member. Apr 02 13:37:55 X-Fade: shame Apr 02 13:49:10 Be nice if all the 3rd party browsers didn't totally suck UI-wise. Apr 02 13:52:46 is the n800 unbrickeable? Apr 02 13:53:44 'course not. Apr 02 13:53:54 That's a statement that you really can't make for any mobile device. Apr 02 13:54:32 could I brik my n800 using the flasher? flashing something wrong? Apr 02 13:54:36 From joe-user's perspective, though, (as long as they don't do stupid things) the answer is effectively, yes. Apr 02 13:54:46 What flasher are you using? Apr 02 13:56:17 flasher.3.0 Apr 02 13:56:35 <||cw> dark_link: no, you'd have to hose the bootloader to truely brick it Apr 02 13:56:56 Well, assuming you flash with: ./flasher-3.0 -F -f -R Apr 02 13:57:10 and don't pull the cable or knock out the power half-way through, you'll be fine. Apr 02 13:57:20 The danger area is only when it's flashing the NOLO bootloader. Apr 02 13:57:24 But it's very small Apr 02 13:57:31 so the danger window is only a fraction of a second. Apr 02 13:59:21 so when you update from os2007 to os2008 it flashes a new NOLO bootloader? Apr 02 13:59:37 Yes Apr 02 14:00:19 anyone try 2008HE for the 770 yet? Apr 02 14:00:39 I like it. Apr 02 14:01:11 and n800 with a bad bootloader will be unable to flash? Apr 02 14:02:12 Just a bit of an anecdote, I've flasher 4 devices (2 770s, 2 N800s) more than 50 times all together. Apr 02 14:02:18 Never had a single bricking. Apr 02 14:02:52 1 or 2 flashings have failed partway through (while flashing the rootfs, mostly my own fault in both cases), but nothing that a second attempt didn't solve. Apr 02 14:03:29 So, really, although there's always the possibility of something going wrong, the chance for it is about zero. Apr 02 14:04:01 I can see that flasher has an option to flash NOLO secondary bootloader image, what about the first? Apr 02 14:05:14 NOLO is composed of two parts Apr 02 14:05:18 secondary and 2nd Apr 02 14:05:26 ok Apr 02 14:05:42 You just want to flash the whole FIASCO image, though. Apr 02 14:06:44 I want to tray to flash another kernel, just to try. So if I use only the --kernel option, It could be reflasheable after? Apr 02 14:07:03 You want to just boot it. Apr 02 14:07:06 hang on one sec Apr 02 14:08:04 flasher-3.0 -k -l -R Apr 02 14:08:08 Is what you want Apr 02 14:08:31 ok thanks Apr 02 14:09:29 and I've seen that the n800 omap has some functions like 3D, video rendering, etc. They are not used now, are they? Apr 02 14:09:59 No Apr 02 14:10:03 No drivers. Apr 02 14:10:17 ok Apr 02 14:10:22 Potentially due to technical issues, definitely due to performance issues. Apr 02 14:11:52 opengl would be great Apr 02 14:12:07 Definitely Apr 02 14:12:23 but the LCD controller is limiting. Apr 02 14:12:49 You certainly wouldn't be able to run at 800x480 with good performance Apr 02 14:12:57 640x480 is suspect, too. Apr 02 14:13:59 why this happens? Apr 02 14:16:18 Well, the built-in controller (which we're not using) is limited to 640x480 Apr 02 14:16:33 I'd like to change the status of my Garage project from Alpha to Beta, but I can't find how to do it! Does anyone know? Apr 02 14:16:34 and the 800x480 3rd party LCD controller isn't a particularly fast one. Apr 02 14:17:35 GeneralAntilles, thanks for sharing all your knowledge Apr 02 14:17:42 Sure Apr 02 14:18:10 GeneralAntilles: why not? Apr 02 14:18:42 GeneralAntilles: as in why would the powervr not be able to provide reasonable performance at 800x640? Apr 02 14:18:55 Because it doesn't have enough vram for that? Apr 02 14:19:09 My impression was that we are still just below the lcd controller memory bandwidth Apr 02 14:19:20 ah, but we don't know how much it has do we? Apr 02 14:19:40 I'm fairly certain the frame on the pvr is limited to 640x480 Apr 02 14:20:30 perhaps, I'd be interested to know where the figure came from Apr 02 14:21:35 Well, partially it's a supposition based on the fact that the built-in controller is limited to 640x480, and partially I remember hearing it from a number of different people. Apr 02 14:23:20 http://www.realviewtools.com/news/5087.html says that the one from ARM supports up to QVGA, so I can see your reasoning that the Ti one would support the same as the OMAP on-chip fb Apr 02 14:23:34 I was just curious if some extra information had come to light Apr 02 14:23:53 That's the MBX Apr 02 14:24:00 we also have the mbx Apr 02 14:25:18 I wonder where a size limitation would be imposed? The powervr mbx is supposed to use internal memory for its processing, then presumably writes to the framebuffer Apr 02 14:25:55 I can see that it might be designed for X number of objects with such and such a texture res, etc., but not necessarily an actual output res limit Apr 02 14:26:07 or am I going off in the wrong direction here? Apr 02 14:26:14 bbiab Apr 02 14:26:53 QVGA is only 320x240 anyways :/ Apr 02 14:28:24 The *VGA designations are irritating. Apr 02 14:30:03 http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg i'm hoping that we get a windowing system that uses opengl natively, so transparent windows are hardware accelerated Apr 02 14:30:33 lol Apr 02 14:30:46 What's wrong with the hardware keyboard? Apr 02 14:31:02 OmniWeb is gonna die horribly if they don't fix the focus bug at some point. Apr 02 14:31:05 i prefer hardware keyboards Apr 02 14:31:10 :P Apr 02 14:31:24 but people who want an onscreen keyboard don't have great choices for non-hildon apps Apr 02 14:31:29 Assuming no future maemo device lacks a hardware keyboard, why do we need the transparent thumbboard? :P Apr 02 14:31:44 you think this is a safe assumption? i'd love that Apr 02 14:31:50 'cuz I don't like sliding out the keyboard all the time Apr 02 14:32:00 * Jaffa imagines they all will now Apr 02 14:32:07 Unless h/w space gets really cramped Apr 02 14:32:14 Personally, I'd rather not have a slider Apr 02 14:32:15 * Navi is the minority Apr 02 14:32:24 but I don't see them taking out the hardware keyboard. Apr 02 14:32:37 I dunno, maybe if they diversify some. Apr 02 14:32:40 * Jaffa is itching for confirmation closer to the N810 WME release of it being step 4. Then we're probably < 12 months away from step 5 :-) Apr 02 14:32:49 woo Apr 02 14:32:57 I don't want another N800 rehash. Apr 02 14:33:02 a 3.5" model would probably have some issues fitting a keyboard. Apr 02 14:33:19 Jaffa, there's no way it's not step 4. Apr 02 14:33:21 what is this about 5 steps? ...of what? Apr 02 14:33:36 Nokia's five step progam to kicking a habit Apr 02 14:33:45 i was just typing that Apr 02 14:33:48 Ha Apr 02 14:34:07 5 steps to breaking us of our tablet addiction as they dumb them down more and more for the masses? :P Apr 02 14:34:19 yay Apr 02 14:34:20 what is step 5 supposed to bring that we don't already have? Apr 02 14:34:29 Uh, OMAP3? Apr 02 14:34:30 GeneralAntilles: true, it not being step 4 would be a *real* surprise. Apr 02 14:34:41 A wondrous new UI which is perfect (allegedly) Apr 02 14:34:59 what I fear is that the resolution advantage will disappear and maemo will dry up versus the winCE hordes Apr 02 14:34:59 ah, 5 OMAP3-devices, then next generation? Apr 02 14:35:09 It may be being over-hyped a little ;-) Apr 02 14:35:13 Also, a lot of comments Texrat has made indicates that step 5 is coming sooner than later. Apr 02 14:35:32 lol, jeddy3? Apr 02 14:35:32 \o/ Apr 02 14:35:43 GeneralAntilles, yes? :) Apr 02 14:35:53 jeddy3, step five is the most market-usable Apr 02 14:36:04 "flawless" Apr 02 14:36:11 i hope that means they get pushed into all the cell-phone stores Apr 02 14:36:18 GeneralAntilles, forgive me for being ignorant Apr 02 14:36:19 Step 1: 770, Step 2: N800, Step 3: N810, Step 4: N810WE, Step 5: Presumably N900 with OMAP3 Apr 02 14:36:25 Navi, THANKS! Apr 02 14:36:31 so pretty much just better graphics performance? Apr 02 14:36:36 They should go with xscale :D Apr 02 14:36:40 Better all around performance. Apr 02 14:36:43 nothing I care about then, I would be happy with a N800 with a cli interface only :P Apr 02 14:36:51 ~600MHz versus 400MHz Apr 02 14:36:59 I think their plan is not so much hardware stages but product maturity stages Apr 02 14:37:17 TPC, well, there's also the ability to play H.264 Apr 02 14:37:24 thats nice I suppose Apr 02 14:37:27 and 720p without scaling down Apr 02 14:37:43 TPC, why didn't you just buy yourself a used Zaurus, then? Apr 02 14:37:44 Yes, step 5 is the end-consumer big-marketing-push type device, i.e. what Apple think they have with the iPhone Apr 02 14:37:45 ga help Apr 02 14:37:45 at least, if they use the 3440 Apr 02 14:37:55 GeneralAntilles, because I already have a N800, which works fine Apr 02 14:38:00 is it conceivable that n900 would have tv-out (analog, hdmi whatever) Apr 02 14:38:13 It's certainly not out of the question Apr 02 14:38:15 pupnik, the OMAP chips support it Apr 02 14:38:18 i think the soc supports it Apr 02 14:38:28 nokia just needs to implement it Apr 02 14:38:30 4-wire 3.5mm jack, anyone? :P Apr 02 14:38:39 I hope they bring back SD cards, I would own a 810 right now (to get the keyboard) if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't take them Apr 02 14:38:46 TPC, they wont. Apr 02 14:38:49 pupnik, or via their "nobounds? Apr 02 14:38:52 I own tons of SD cards already, don't want to spend alot of money bying minisd/microsd Apr 02 14:39:01 jeddy3, no, not nobounds Apr 02 14:39:04 real t-out Apr 02 14:39:12 s/t/tv/ Apr 02 14:39:12 Navi meant: real tv-out Apr 02 14:39:38 being able to show friends movies/video on a tv or computer monitor would be nice Apr 02 14:39:40 Jaffa, I think my poll only managed to confuse things. :P Apr 02 14:39:55 We shoulda stuck with N810WM. :\ Apr 02 14:40:00 erm, N810WE Apr 02 14:40:03 pupnik, especially if it's the OMAP3440 Apr 02 14:40:16 720p output :P Apr 02 14:40:30 I don't think it could handle that, Navi. Apr 02 14:40:40 GeneralAntilles, sure it can! Apr 02 14:40:44 * Navi believes Apr 02 14:40:58 At least, looking at the OMAP3430/40 spec sheet, anyway. Apr 02 14:41:00 They have hardware decoders for some hi-res video formats Apr 02 14:41:07 the TI literature advertises 720p decoding Apr 02 14:41:08 yeah Apr 02 14:41:11 Decoding wouldn't be an issue Apr 02 14:41:14 but getting it to a TV Apr 02 14:41:28 There's either the s-vide/composite output Apr 02 14:41:32 blah Apr 02 14:41:40 or using the second 640x480 display for VGA or something. Apr 02 14:41:40 there's no micro standard for hdmi? Apr 02 14:42:05 http://www.vastercable.com/index.php?cPath=115 Apr 02 14:42:16 TPC: SD cards are huge Apr 02 14:42:24 im in love with my new toy: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800-proporta.jpg Apr 02 14:43:01 You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. Apr 02 14:43:42 pupnik, there are mini connectors for the HDMI spec Apr 02 14:43:45 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Apr 02 14:43:50 N810W/WE/WME Apr 02 14:44:00 10cm x 2.5cm or so Apr 02 14:44:07 er Apr 02 14:44:09 er Apr 02 14:44:09 Haha Apr 02 14:44:12 Mini my ass! Apr 02 14:44:17 10mm x 2.5mm Apr 02 14:46:13 Cptnodegard: Nice one Apr 02 14:50:16 [16:42] You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. <- why? Apr 02 14:50:26 Save statusbar space. Apr 02 14:50:57 lol Apr 02 14:51:29 where does adv backlight put itself? Apr 02 14:51:50 Statusbar Apr 02 14:52:05 then whats the point? o0 Apr 02 14:52:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 Apr 02 14:53:14 rm_you, did you get Extras access yet? Apr 02 14:53:20 nice Apr 02 14:53:37 GeneralAntilles: not to my knowledge >_> Apr 02 14:53:44 no one has emailed me about it Apr 02 14:53:46 Bug X-Fade or something. :P Apr 02 14:54:10 i wish my n800 worked so i could actually work on that more <_< Apr 02 14:54:12 only Skype-to-Skype is possible? Apr 02 14:54:41 Italodance: you can call landlines / mobile phones via n800 Skype, if you buy minutes Apr 02 14:55:36 rm_you cool! but how many time it needs? Apr 02 14:56:06 Italodance: you just pay by the minute, I think... I don't do it myself, as I have a seperate cellphone Apr 02 14:56:48 rm_you hehe yes i have othwer nokia cellphone too,,,,just wanted to try and test it! Apr 02 14:58:31 rm_you so skpe is not free for call to the cellphones???? Apr 02 14:58:43 *skype Apr 02 14:58:56 never was Apr 02 14:59:29 ok! such a bad feel! Apr 02 14:59:31 installed, thx GeneralAntilles Apr 02 14:59:37 Skype is the same on n800 as it is on PC Apr 02 14:59:43 Just pluggin' the wares. Apr 02 14:59:50 :P Apr 02 15:00:01 But, seriously, Extras! Apr 02 15:00:18 i know Apr 02 15:00:20 rm_you yeah i got it Apr 02 15:00:28 you're a dev on the project technically... You work on it :P Apr 02 15:00:29 Talk to X-Fade Apr 02 15:00:44 He's the man with the plan these days. Apr 02 15:00:52 I can't package anything over here. :P Apr 02 15:00:58 lol Apr 02 15:01:10 Unless you want to buy me a new rig. Apr 02 15:01:15 Then I'd be happy to do it for you. Apr 02 15:01:23 rm_you is there any tool that can call to the phones? Apr 02 15:01:37 yes Apr 02 15:01:39 yes free app Apr 02 15:01:43 which? Apr 02 15:01:47 Don't use skype. It's not open, it uses tons of bandwith and sucks in general. Apr 02 15:01:52 There was a thing involving Gizmo Project and GrandCentral Apr 02 15:01:57 i don't know if it still works Apr 02 15:02:04 GeneralAntilles: N810W, N810WE or N810WME are fine with me. Nokia's URLs seem to use N810 WME - which thoughtfix also noticed and is using - so might be the best bet. Apr 02 15:02:08 I was using it for a while Apr 02 15:02:19 Texrat is saying that they use N810W internally. Apr 02 15:02:27 W/WE/WME? Apr 02 15:02:28 rm_you tnx so i should install Gizmo! Apr 02 15:02:30 or that "some" have, anyway. Apr 02 15:02:45 Italodance: it isn't that simple... there's a post about it somewhere on the forums... Apr 02 15:02:57 GeneralAntilles: is that to do with the WIMAX tablet? Apr 02 15:03:19 I've been away for a week or two again, I miss all this stuff that happens! :P Apr 02 15:03:20 Yes Apr 02 15:03:28 http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Apr 02 15:03:36 Diablo gets official, too. Apr 02 15:03:43 "Q2 2008" Apr 02 15:04:18 Which you should probably interpret as June 30th. Apr 02 15:04:51 GeneralAntilles: you expect it to be on time?! Apr 02 15:05:45 rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call ! Apr 02 15:06:23 but not easy! Apr 02 15:06:43 yeah, it's kind of annoying to set up and use Apr 02 15:06:45 but it works Apr 02 15:07:01 CONFUSED :S Apr 02 15:07:04 Then drop $10 for a few hundred Gizmo minutes. Apr 02 15:07:15 GeneralAntilles LOL Apr 02 15:07:31 Why "lol"? Apr 02 15:11:03 that's expensive Apr 02 15:11:13 $10? Apr 02 15:11:20 A lot cheaper than a landline or cellphone. Apr 02 15:11:28 Italodance: that method works only if you live in US Apr 02 15:12:23 hrw oh what a pity! Apr 02 15:15:55 Italodance: I am used to that Apr 02 15:16:10 many of 'nice deals' means 'US only' Apr 02 15:17:13 hrw which skype? Apr 02 15:18:24 10$ is expensive? Apr 02 15:18:36 02 17:11 < Italodance> rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call Apr 02 15:18:41 that trick I mean Apr 02 15:18:42 What? That's about 6 Euro.. Apr 02 15:18:51 You get two BigMacs for that. Apr 02 15:19:28 Blafasel: if not more even Apr 02 15:19:54 y Apr 02 15:20:04 3 Euro for a BigMac? Apr 02 15:20:06 That's nuts! Apr 02 15:20:16 GeneralAntilles: Well, how much in $? Apr 02 15:20:22 That's nuts, right.. Apr 02 15:20:24 I do not remember when last time I was in McD Apr 02 15:20:36 Like, $1.29 Apr 02 15:20:52 For just the burger Apr 02 15:20:57 Meal is, like, $5 Apr 02 15:21:37 Nice.. You pay 1 Eur for a cheeseburger alone Apr 02 15:21:58 I only ever go to McDonalds for breakfast, though. Apr 02 15:21:58 <||cw> bigmac isn't just a cheeseburger though Apr 02 15:22:11 ||cw: Oh really? ;) Apr 02 15:22:33 <||cw> 2 patties, 3 slice bread, lettuce, 2 cheese Apr 02 15:22:44 Chick-fil-A is better for lunch. Apr 02 15:22:51 <||cw> I'd rather have a jumbo jack though Apr 02 15:23:02 <||cw> for fast food burger that is Apr 02 15:23:08 Bleh Apr 02 15:23:14 Jack in the Box grosses me out. Apr 02 15:23:19 Checkers is good. Apr 02 15:23:43 <||cw> GeneralAntilles: at least their bugers don't sit in a drawer for an hour already cooked Apr 02 15:23:55 Hehe Apr 02 15:24:23 <||cw> mcd is icky Apr 02 15:24:33 No kidding? ;P Apr 02 15:24:55 I will not discuss about quality of mcd food Apr 02 15:24:57 I had In-N-Out Burger when I was out in California. Apr 02 15:24:57 I avoid it Apr 02 15:25:01 Quite good. Apr 02 15:27:40 mmm Chik-fil-a Apr 02 15:27:46 <3 Apr 02 15:28:04 Nuggets and a lemonade Apr 02 15:28:05 Yum Apr 02 15:28:09 I love their fries. Apr 02 15:28:20 hmm... when last time I was in fastfood... Apr 02 15:28:35 burger king in december on Liverpool Station in London Apr 02 15:29:56 someone knows what is the password of the default user on the device? Apr 02 15:30:04 yay, time to write a paper on "what I consider to be the principal 3 or 4 factors affecting the application of iron technology to ancient greek/roman metallurgy" >_< Apr 02 15:30:16 morbec: i don't think it has a password Apr 02 15:30:25 morbec: it's like... "locked" Apr 02 15:30:30 user has no password by default Apr 02 15:30:30 IIRC Apr 02 15:31:12 if you want to log in via SSH, you need to log in as root, because "user" doesn't have a password, and i think trying to add one would break things Apr 02 15:31:14 Humanities course? You should address their acceptance of gay men. :P Apr 02 15:31:32 Ancient Science and Technology <_ Apr 02 15:31:33 <_< Apr 02 15:31:37 Ha Apr 02 15:32:09 time to read about 50 pages of *crap* about ancient attempts to make steel Apr 02 15:32:49 At least it's only 50. Apr 02 15:32:56 >_> Apr 02 15:32:59 truth Apr 02 15:36:42 thnaks Apr 02 15:37:00 s/thnaks/thanks! Apr 02 15:37:08 <||cw> rm_you: in OS2006 I know adding a password to user doens't break anything Apr 02 15:37:19 <||cw> on a 770 Apr 02 15:46:01 rm_you: You can always just add another user with the same uid as "user", and give them a password. Apr 02 15:55:02 lol Apr 02 15:55:07 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18629 Apr 02 15:55:09 thats genius Apr 02 15:59:48 hmm, long minute Apr 02 15:59:56 and my irc client's history is very short Apr 02 16:01:13 is this the right place to ask questions about Nokia N810? Apr 02 16:01:15 Cptnodegard: Interesting Apr 02 16:01:21 eleftherios: yes Apr 02 16:01:22 this thing really pwns... nned to allow for bigger screens though Apr 02 16:01:22 Does it really work? Apr 02 16:01:26 yes it works Apr 02 16:01:56 Cptnodegard: Using a N800 or N810? Apr 02 16:02:01 all you need is the hid file sent to your phone (since then it saves it where it belongs automatically) Apr 02 16:02:04 n800 Apr 02 16:02:17 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/canola-remote.jpg Apr 02 16:02:30 Is there a (usb?) GSM module that supports voice so that I could hook it to an N810 and make calls from it too? (Not talking about VoIP). If there is such hardware, I'm sure drivers could be written. Thoughts? Apr 02 16:03:10 use phonlink to pair it with your phone instead Apr 02 16:03:16 eleftherios Apr 02 16:03:28 then you can text/call with the n810 through your phone Apr 02 16:03:28 eleftherios, what's the point? Apr 02 16:03:46 That's what phonelink is for. Apr 02 16:03:52 Er Apr 02 16:03:52 Right Apr 02 16:03:55 * GeneralAntilles learns to read Apr 02 16:04:00 I don't want to have a phone too Apr 02 16:04:02 Listen to what Cptnodegard is saying, damnit! Apr 02 16:04:23 a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. Apr 02 16:04:27 Gotta have the stand open Apr 02 16:04:34 a good phone is very useful with an IT Apr 02 16:04:55 both for internet connection, camera, call/sms, and now apparently remote contorlling canola Apr 02 16:05:21 [18:04] a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. <- not to mentio you'd eithe rhave to remove the stand or have it open because of th elocation of the usb Apr 02 16:06:14 Like I said. :D Apr 02 16:06:14 Ok, these thoughts are welcome but the questions remains. One could take a GSM modem that supports voice, write a driver, connect it to a N810 and make calls, right? Apr 02 16:06:29 * GeneralAntilles invites Cptnodegard into the Lern2Reed club. :P Apr 02 16:06:35 s/questions/question Apr 02 16:06:41 Sure Apr 02 16:06:44 But I fail to see the point. Apr 02 16:06:56 eleftherios: you'd probably need to write the calling program too... :/ Apr 02 16:06:57 lol just saw it Apr 02 16:07:05 A $50 Bluetooth phone that supports the correct profiles would be much more useful. Apr 02 16:07:13 rm_you: yes Apr 02 16:07:26 GeneralAntilles: And have it's own battery! Apr 02 16:07:36 get a tiny bt phone, put it in a plastic bag and eat it Apr 02 16:07:38 :) Apr 02 16:07:45 lol Apr 02 16:07:59 Now's your chance, rm_you! Apr 02 16:08:13 rofl, Cptnodegard. Apr 02 16:08:14 GeneralAntilles: sometimes the world is going forward because there are people who see it in a much different way than the rest 99.9999% do Apr 02 16:08:32 This is not one of those "sometimes". ;) Apr 02 16:08:50 pfft, that would be a waste of my time... the n800 is *not* a phone, and I may as well just carry a phone as a gsm module the size of a phone that is harder to use Apr 02 16:09:06 But please allow me to entairtain the thought :-) Apr 02 16:09:20 when they actually put a gsm module IN it, then i'll be happy to use it as a phone :P Apr 02 16:09:37 eleftherios: we see your point... we just refute it :P Apr 02 16:10:17 my point was whether pairing N810 with an external GSM module that supports voice would work. Apr 02 16:10:36 It probably will. Thank you very much. :-) Apr 02 16:10:37 it would... and I have one right now... it's called a motorola v360 :P Apr 02 16:10:49 it just happens to already be a phone :P Apr 02 16:10:55 Nice, enjoy it. Apr 02 16:11:28 now, next point on the agenda: usb humping dog compatability Apr 02 16:11:36 actually, if you really want to do that, it would probably be cheaper and easier just to buy a phone and take the screen/keypad off Apr 02 16:11:55 then you'd have a BT GSM module, essentially Apr 02 16:13:13 seriousely, i want a usb humping dog to hump when i get mail Apr 02 16:13:17 Does the humping dog run Linux? Apr 02 16:14:06 rm_you: or something like this http://www.sequoia.co.uk/eshop/browsedl.php?item=185 Apr 02 16:14:13 run linux or run on linux? it just runs on the power form the usb port i guess, and it was a joke Apr 02 16:14:31 http://www.techonline.com/learning/livewebinar/206504284 Apr 02 16:14:56 eleftherios: yes... but that costs about 5x as much as a cheap BT phone :P Apr 02 16:14:59 * GeneralAntilles was working on getting Linux on a dead raccoon a few weeks ago. Apr 02 16:18:51 how about training a squirrel to carry the BT phone for you? Apr 02 16:19:00 or buy a e90 Apr 02 16:19:04 Or a humping dog. Apr 02 16:20:03 What about one of those monkeys that helps quadriplegics? He could hold the phone up to your ear so you don't even need an N810! Apr 02 16:20:38 operate a tiny battery and usb port into the butt of the squirrel, make the on/off button buttcrack-controlled, plug in a usb huping dog, and train the squirrel to carry the phone and squeesh when the phone is ringing Apr 02 16:21:26 Be like Dr. Mephesto and give him 3 asses so you can have 3 lines! Apr 02 16:22:16 so he can talk to himself and his wife while his squirrel is being humped to death by plastic minidogs Apr 02 16:24:52 <||cw> o_O Apr 02 16:34:15 For anybody not familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18 Apr 02 16:35:29 Does it have Linux drivers? Apr 02 16:37:41 would think it only uses the power Apr 02 16:37:48 but theres a popup on that guys screen Apr 02 16:38:31 XP is stupid Apr 02 16:38:33 It's just power. Apr 02 16:39:33 maybe its that ms office paper clip... "excuise me, theres a dog humping youw USB port. do you want to: -join? - kill it? - eat it? - search for solutions on the internet?" Apr 02 16:41:13 It's a "New Hardware Added" popup. Apr 02 16:41:20 HARDware Apr 02 16:41:23 muahahaha Apr 02 16:42:23 so that's what the cool kids call it these days Apr 02 16:44:16 I'm not sure if this crap is something for the cool kids. Or funny. Apr 02 16:44:30 Pfft Apr 02 16:44:33 Don't be a stinker. Apr 02 16:47:43 *shrug* I hate dogs. I didn't even smirk looking at one single annoying lolcat. Not interesting. Apr 02 16:54:48 GeneralAntilles: hoho, best part of the youtube video is that the usb-connector is blurred :) Apr 02 16:55:32 Hehe Apr 02 17:02:24 is the actual hardware any different for the wimax support? what say the chances that original 810 has all thats needed (easter egg) Apr 02 17:05:07 lcuk2, zero. Apr 02 17:05:10 Less than zero Apr 02 17:27:04 This is ridiculous. Apr 02 17:27:09 ssh works for about 24 hours Apr 02 17:27:12 stops working Apr 02 17:27:15 reinstall Apr 02 17:27:19 works for 24 hours again Apr 02 18:17:29 When do we get version 4.1 for Bugzilla? :\ Apr 02 18:18:06 GeneralAntilles: File a bug against bugzilla. That should reach the right person. Apr 02 18:18:15 Right-o Apr 02 18:18:22 Or I will ask the guy tomorrow ;) Apr 02 18:20:14 Field, anyway. Apr 02 18:20:16 Thanks! Apr 02 18:20:45 GeneralAntilles: Got any bug for a non-released firmware version already? Apr 02 18:21:19 I wish. Apr 02 18:21:34 I figure some of the bugs we know have been fixed could at least have their targets set correctly. Apr 02 18:22:24 Any idea what Nokia's policy is regarding pre-release firmwares and bug reporting? Apr 02 18:23:07 yawn Apr 02 18:23:09 GeneralAntilles: I only get notice on the day it is released, so I really wouldn't know any schedule. Apr 02 18:24:04 But the bugs guys does do some 'fixed in this version' bug hunting. Apr 02 18:24:56 hmm, chinook main repos mirror is ~3gb Apr 02 18:24:58 not bad Apr 02 18:24:59 :) Apr 02 18:34:18 http://imagechan.net/img/5223/Advertising/ Apr 02 18:34:19 ehehe Apr 02 18:36:54 KotCzarny :-) Apr 02 18:40:52 hi czr Apr 02 18:41:08 hey kot Apr 02 18:41:15 miau? Apr 02 18:41:22 anom, miau miau Apr 02 18:41:24 ;) Apr 02 18:41:34 nom nom nom. i has the devicez. Apr 02 18:41:53 :) Apr 02 18:41:54 * czr is battling with sbox. once again. Apr 02 18:42:04 I thought I'd never ever had to use it for anything again. Apr 02 18:42:16 proves just how little I know about anything, argh. Apr 02 18:42:20 :) Apr 02 18:42:58 sbox works for me Apr 02 18:43:00 quite nice Apr 02 18:43:09 it's easy to play with new targets Apr 02 18:43:18 and not to b0rk old ones in the process :) Apr 02 18:43:24 sbox for pre-EABI vendor-"supported" arm-board. doesn't relate to maemo in any way. Apr 02 18:43:35 debian.org ? Apr 02 18:43:47 hmm? no. has nothing to do with debian either. Apr 02 18:43:59 i mean they have sbox toolchains too Apr 02 18:44:02 for misc archs Apr 02 18:44:23 well, it's not the arch that is the problem. Apr 02 18:44:33 ok, i'm shutting up Apr 02 18:44:34 :) Apr 02 18:44:39 it's a problem in my head. can't really get sbox to play nice with me tonight. Apr 02 18:44:41 breakfast anyway :) Apr 02 18:44:48 heh, k, have fun. nom nom. Apr 02 18:56:58 wow holy fuck, the Intel Atom chipset uses PowerVR SGX Apr 02 18:57:03 that was _unexpected_ Apr 02 19:14:20 re Apr 02 19:39:20 is Bundyo ever in here? Apr 02 19:39:31 He is the guy behind midori browser port Apr 02 19:40:03 I was testing it out today and I must confess that it's really nice browser. Apr 02 19:40:31 No, don't believe so Apr 02 19:40:37 unless he's in under another nick. Apr 02 19:40:56 Which might be the case Apr 02 19:41:03 Also this news was interesting: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=349 Apr 02 19:41:14 Yeah, saw that yesterday. Apr 02 19:41:22 I'm interested in seeing an updated MicroB. :D Apr 02 19:41:26 however, fennec is not terribly fast in my opinion Apr 02 19:41:38 updated MicroB is faster that fennec. Apr 02 19:41:46 So I'd figure. Apr 02 19:42:00 hum Apr 02 19:42:04 how faster? Apr 02 19:42:05 :) Apr 02 19:42:07 Both in rendering the page and in scrolling the page Apr 02 19:42:20 didn't measure. ... maybe 30% in rendering. Apr 02 19:42:22 how does it realte to fx3 ? Apr 02 19:42:26 I can only imagine MicroB in Diablo will scream. Apr 02 19:42:27 relate Apr 02 19:42:29 scrolling is very smooth on microb Apr 02 19:43:32 anyway, fennec might turn out to be really good after they have had a bit of time to work on it. Apr 02 19:43:34 * lcuk2 perks up Apr 02 19:43:52 that blog announcement is from their first iteration, so it'll improve Apr 02 19:43:54 lcuk: rotated already? Apr 02 19:44:10 What's this about libgtkmozembed and kinetic scrolling I hear? ;) Apr 02 19:44:12 i didnt after you collapsed my hopes of a trouble free install Apr 02 19:44:26 nah Apr 02 19:44:31 i encouraged you to test Apr 02 19:44:36 libgtklobotomized? Apr 02 19:44:51 it would help me to determine if it's mine setup or a bug in patches Apr 02 19:44:52 lurry eyes.. Apr 02 19:44:58 i might have some time tonight to advance things, i was a bit lazy tired yesterday Apr 02 19:44:59 * GeneralAntilles gives lcuk2 an adrenaline shot to the heart. Apr 02 19:45:12 You email Quim yet, lcuk2? :P Apr 02 19:45:16 KotCzarny: first tester likes xkbd. has problems on my n810 but i don't use vkbd anyway Apr 02 19:45:32 xkbd or xvkbd ? Apr 02 19:45:33 :) Apr 02 19:45:41 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?root=browser&view=rev&rev=2003 Apr 02 19:46:02 new microb? Apr 02 19:46:24 those microbs! they're everythere! Apr 02 19:46:26 not yet gen, but then again i might not have to - it does seem pace has quickened recently (ie last couple of days) we have had lots of news and stuff Apr 02 19:46:28 everywhere Apr 02 19:46:39 and my heart didnt stop - gtk is sluggish :P Apr 02 19:47:18 (but, maybe things have changed here as well) Apr 02 19:47:43 i would like fully vfped os Apr 02 19:47:44 :) Apr 02 19:47:50 Getting MicroB up to speed will do a lot of good for the platform. Apr 02 19:48:08 i agree, it should be streamlined and slick Apr 02 19:48:29 its an internet device ffs - the internet lets it down Apr 02 19:48:37 * lcuk2 crosses his fingers Apr 02 19:48:49 I'm very optimistic for Diablo Apr 02 19:49:29 Looking at the huge leaps in performance that have taken place with Gecko since the last time we had a MicroB update and the changelogs on garage. Apr 02 19:49:35 Leaves me feeling a bit giddy. Apr 02 19:55:35 when is diablo supposed to be released? Apr 02 19:55:49 Q2 2008 Apr 02 19:55:55 I've heard that the WiMax N810 has in-place upgrading. Apr 02 19:56:05 Diablo feature Apr 02 19:56:07 SSU Apr 02 19:56:13 but .. not full-on Diablo, it seems. Apr 02 19:56:13 Seamless Software Updates Apr 02 19:56:23 full-on? Apr 02 19:59:15 every time I read one of zerojay's posts I want to fucking puke on my own pants. Apr 02 19:59:23 :> Apr 02 19:59:32 so bad or so good? Apr 02 19:59:41 :) Apr 02 20:00:15 ? Apr 02 20:02:19 fysa's got a case of the randoms today. Apr 02 20:02:28 "puke on my own pants" actually results in one result and that site was so awful it made me actually puke on my own tshirt Apr 02 20:02:40 haha Apr 02 20:02:44 a little bit, GeneralAntilles. Apr 02 20:03:02 just general annoyance at his attitude in every post I've seen. Apr 02 20:03:11 Which is that? Apr 02 20:03:21 fysa, you cant just drop new phrases into the lexicolon without telling us what they mean Apr 02 20:03:34 why not? Apr 02 20:03:36 it's irc Apr 02 20:03:37 :) Apr 02 20:04:27 zerojay's been around for a while, the 'attitude' is a recent development Apr 02 20:04:31 I can hardly blame him, though. Apr 02 20:04:42 He's Canadian and heavily involved tablet user Apr 02 20:04:54 he's had pretty much the worst of all Nokia has to offer. :P Apr 02 20:05:46 I'm just tired of him shitting all over my favorite threads. Saying this shouldn't be done/can't be done/not worth trying. Apr 02 20:05:57 Oh? Apr 02 20:05:59 yah Apr 02 20:06:01 * GeneralAntilles can't say that I've noticed. Apr 02 20:06:08 i dislike negative attitudes too Apr 02 20:06:10 I'm tired of all the whiners. :P Apr 02 20:06:25 if it's broken, fix it, or shut up Apr 02 20:06:26 :) Apr 02 20:06:28 * lcuk2 thinks things CAN be done Apr 02 20:06:33 right Apr 02 20:06:44 anyway. Apr 02 20:06:57 back to poking around libgtkmozembed Apr 02 20:09:15 ITT has mostly just become a hellhole filled with idiots and Apple fans. <_< Apr 02 20:09:20 heh Apr 02 20:09:23 good morning, Nokia nerds Apr 02 20:09:25 GeneralAntilles: apple fans? :P Apr 02 20:09:42 s/Apple/iPhone and iTouch/ Apr 02 20:09:43 GeneralAntilles meant: ITT has mostly just become a hellhole filled with idiots and iPhone and iTouch fans. <_< Apr 02 20:09:44 * rm_you looks at GeneralAntilles Apr 02 20:09:53 I like their OS Apr 02 20:09:54 * rm_you looks at GeneralAntilles and his Mac Apr 02 20:10:01 I'm increasingly tired of their mobile stuff. Apr 02 20:10:24 In particularly, I'm increasingly tired of the neverend comparison threads. Apr 02 20:10:26 i don't think things CAN'T be done.. Apr 02 20:10:34 so GeneralAntilles, what phone have you got? Apr 02 20:10:35 i just think certain things "shouldnt" be done Apr 02 20:10:35 s/neverend/neverending/ Apr 02 20:10:35 GeneralAntilles meant: In particularly, I'm increasingly tired of the neverending comparison threads. Apr 02 20:10:35 oh man. numty physics is so cool Apr 02 20:10:52 Needs to give you a chance to setup the level before dropping the ball. Apr 02 20:10:54 hand drawn physics on 810? Apr 02 20:11:17 Yeah Apr 02 20:12:31 KotCzarny: long standing users are getting *very* annoyed at the simple things they /can't/ fix cos Nokia's "precious" UI is closed and wrapped up in a spec-led chastity belt. Apr 02 20:12:52 konttori, link please if its a physics game for 8x0? Apr 02 20:13:10 * Jaffa 's been playing with "Phun" on his desktop. My 2 year-old loves it :-) Apr 02 20:13:13 Well put, Jaffa. Apr 02 20:13:19 lcuk2, there's a thread on ITT Apr 02 20:13:22 It's on garage. Apr 02 20:13:25 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb Apr 02 20:13:27 jaffa: how about alternatives? Apr 02 20:13:39 good, ive seen it for a few devices and have played with numerous examples but not with stylus :) Apr 02 20:13:40 what's phun? Apr 02 20:13:54 ty for link Apr 02 20:14:09 KotCzarny: some of the things you end up replacing almost all of Hildon for, just for a small change to one bit Apr 02 20:14:22 ie keyboard tweaks Apr 02 20:14:24 jaffa: not a problem with me Apr 02 20:14:28 konttori: Physics gameshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5g9VS0ENM Apr 02 20:14:35 as long things work as i want :) Apr 02 20:14:42 anyone tried building microb from svn lately? Apr 02 20:14:43 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html Apr 02 20:14:55 KotCzarny: Yes, and if they don't do what you want? What do you do then? Apr 02 20:15:05 jaffa: the whole point of openness is that you can fix/replace things Apr 02 20:15:18 if you can't then it's not really open Apr 02 20:15:23 KotCzarny: Exactly. But random bits of ITOS aren't open. Apr 02 20:15:28 i know Apr 02 20:15:37 that's why it's so good sdk is free Apr 02 20:15:38 :) Apr 02 20:16:12 So "fix them or shut up" aren't the two only options. There's a third option: keep bitching about the closedness until they're opened or someone says "No, we're keeping these closed for reasons X, Y & Z" Apr 02 20:16:22 hmm Apr 02 20:16:48 but it's different bitching when not pursuing 1 and 2 first Apr 02 20:16:55 I squint at my N800 really hard so it knows I mean business, then it opens up and we have a nice talk. Apr 02 20:16:55 oh man. phun looks like fun! Apr 02 20:17:14 fysa, your 800 cant really open up without a screwdriver Apr 02 20:17:27 * lcuk2 looks menacingly at his 810 and the keyboard slideeeeeeeeees Apr 02 20:17:33 hah Apr 02 20:17:49 finally, bt keyboard kicked in Apr 02 20:17:54 ehehe Apr 02 20:17:56 right, phsics fun Apr 02 20:17:56 fun Apr 02 20:17:57 ``yo Apr 02 20:18:04 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb Apr 02 20:18:22 tap Apr 02 20:18:25 DAMN Apr 02 20:18:28 tap hold Apr 02 20:18:34 ;) Apr 02 20:18:37 you got.. tapped! Apr 02 20:18:38 ;) Apr 02 20:18:48 i hate tap and hold Apr 02 20:19:00 It's so slow when you know what you want Apr 02 20:19:27 in these kind of environments (like browser or xchat) i would want to double tap to open things Apr 02 20:19:43 browser would work because it takes ages to do action of single click Apr 02 20:21:01 this numpty is a nice find Apr 02 20:22:05 http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12315.html Apr 02 20:22:26 ive seen many like it and had something similar in mind :) glad someone beat me to it Apr 02 20:22:39 phun is like legos for 2008 Apr 02 20:22:51 wish i were 8 yrs old now Apr 02 20:23:06 lcuk2: i also had something similar in mind :) Apr 02 20:23:16 phun.org is also a great website :) Apr 02 20:23:17 :) Apr 02 20:23:53 pupnik, no you don't - at your age (unless you're about 9) you will have more money and more expensive toys Apr 02 20:24:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gta33XgIwGA Apr 02 20:24:19 leggo my eggo Apr 02 20:24:25 Crayon Physics 2 (?) or Deluxe? Apr 02 20:24:35 When I was 8, I had a lot more time. Apr 02 20:24:47 Which was worth a lot of money, and certainly more than any expensive toys. Apr 02 20:25:35 That video is very exciting . . . you solve all the puzzles exactly the same way. <_< Apr 02 20:26:22 derf: you talk about child labour! Apr 02 20:26:29 ;) Apr 02 20:26:32 derf :) ok you're right. ok - whos gonna build a maemo compatible time machine Apr 02 20:31:27 Hello Apr 02 20:31:52 i'm trying to run my n800 os2008 off external mmc and cloning the system. is "tar: cannot create directory './dev': Input/output error" normal? Apr 02 20:32:11 are you using vfat? Apr 02 20:32:15 ext2 Apr 02 20:32:18 hum Apr 02 20:32:30 dmesg shows any errors? Apr 02 20:32:32 no other errors, going reboot Apr 02 20:33:09 not familiar with reading output from dmesg Apr 02 20:33:24 EXCELLENT - numty is a workable fun touch app :) Apr 02 20:33:25 anything saying about badblocks Apr 02 20:33:31 or read-only filesystem Apr 02 20:33:35 ? Apr 02 20:34:55 mount -owo / Apr 02 20:35:12 +,remount Apr 02 20:35:14 czr: Error: ",remount" is not a valid command. Apr 02 20:35:30 silly little bot Apr 02 20:35:53 dtahtbot, fsck /proc/self Apr 02 20:35:54 czr: Error: "fsck" is not a valid command. Apr 02 20:35:59 doh, there are ext2-fs errors read_inode_bitmap Apr 02 20:36:07 :> Apr 02 20:36:18 now you know Apr 02 20:36:22 umount Apr 02 20:36:23 fsck Apr 02 20:36:29 cross-fingers. Apr 02 20:36:35 if fixed, remount and continue Apr 02 20:36:41 get your backups out :-) Apr 02 20:36:50 that too Apr 02 20:36:51 :) Apr 02 20:37:35 well it was just created Apr 02 20:37:42 so no data loss XD Apr 02 20:38:26 is there an easy way to wipe out a partition? Apr 02 20:38:30 yes Apr 02 20:38:32 mkfs Apr 02 20:38:33 ;) Apr 02 20:38:46 but explain 'wipe out' Apr 02 20:38:46 k Apr 02 20:39:01 ya, like format quick Apr 02 20:39:05 also, you should do mkfs with badblocks checking on Apr 02 20:39:12 really Apr 02 20:39:17 what's the flag on that? Apr 02 20:39:20 hum Apr 02 20:39:21 -c ? Apr 02 20:39:39 it will probably take ages Apr 02 20:39:51 but it's worth it Apr 02 20:39:55 although ext takes ages with pretty much anything Apr 02 20:40:04 you don't want to scream later Apr 02 20:40:08 would it be faster mke2fs then run fsck? Apr 02 20:40:11 when you get inode badblocks Apr 02 20:40:14 I made the mistake today of trying to do a 3T ext3 on a system which was doing raid5 background rebuild at the same time -> bad mistake. Apr 02 20:47:06 help! Apr 02 20:47:10 i made a laughable mistake Apr 02 20:47:17 * KotCzarny throws a blade Apr 02 20:47:30 * GeneralAntilles laughs at Mousey. Apr 02 20:47:30 * KotCzarny laughs Apr 02 20:47:37 i made /usr/share a link to /media/mmc2/u00/usr/share Apr 02 20:47:43 and now it won't boot =( Apr 02 20:47:48 i just wanted more drive space on /! Apr 02 20:47:50 * Mousey cries Apr 02 20:47:52 erm Apr 02 20:47:53 :> Apr 02 20:48:06 usb-rescue mode? Apr 02 20:48:06 well Apr 02 20:48:09 ooh Apr 02 20:48:09 that does sound quite bad Apr 02 20:48:11 how do i do that? Apr 02 20:48:15 i can fix it if i could mount it Apr 02 20:48:20 look for fanoush initfs Apr 02 20:48:26 k Apr 02 20:48:27 ty Apr 02 20:48:46 doesn't the FHS require that you can bring up the OS without using /usr? (though not sure I want to try that on my Linux box) Apr 02 20:48:58 hircus: watchdog Apr 02 20:49:11 ie. os boots, but watchdog kills it Apr 02 20:49:16 KotCzarny: aha. Apr 02 20:49:23 i see Apr 02 20:49:24 it might be safer to link individual directories under /usr/share Mousey Apr 02 20:49:33 so .. using the flasher to turn off the watchdog would work Apr 02 20:49:34 pupnik: one thing at a time =( Apr 02 20:49:37 or just move whole os to mmc Apr 02 20:49:37 pupnik: thx tho Apr 02 20:49:42 ...there's a watchdog huh Apr 02 20:50:07 I remembered having the watchdog tripping me up. auto-reboots all the time; I sent the device for repair, they could not fix it, and was on the point of issuing me a replacmeent when I figured it out Apr 02 20:50:31 Mousey: are you using Canola perchance? Apr 02 20:50:36 anyone get os2008 n800 booting off mmc? Apr 02 20:50:37 hircus: canola2? Apr 02 20:50:47 I just symlinked Canola's Youtube directory to .. Apr 02 20:50:49 yes, Canola2 Apr 02 20:50:49 canola2 is very very nice Apr 02 20:50:57 but has some bugs still Apr 02 20:51:03 i'm a debian fan Apr 02 20:51:06 does canola devs come to maemo # ? Apr 02 20:51:13 so i'm constantly loading crap on Apr 02 20:51:14 I symlink the .canola2/youtube/video (or whatever it's called) dir to my MMC card, otherwise it runs out of space Apr 02 20:51:17 and running out of space Apr 02 20:51:18 wah Apr 02 20:51:31 hircus: that was happening to me Apr 02 20:51:33 Mousey, do you have fanoush's initfs installed? Apr 02 20:51:37 no =( Apr 02 20:51:45 am i gonna have a chicken and egg problem? Apr 02 20:51:46 jobu, way back in November. :P Apr 02 20:52:04 Mousey: so symlink that instead. Youtube videos are huge, moving /usr/share won't buy you much time Apr 02 20:52:19 mousey: nope Apr 02 20:52:19 from a packager's point of view I must say I prefer RPM still Apr 02 20:52:27 fanoush initfs is nice Apr 02 20:52:34 packing deb's is a pain Apr 02 20:52:42 though -- there was a Debian package-building tool that can be configured with only one spec file, RPM-style Apr 02 20:52:47 but i prefer it over rpm anyday just for apt and the repo system Apr 02 20:53:13 (and don't say yum, cuz yuck) Apr 02 20:53:26 msi? Apr 02 20:53:30 ;) Apr 02 20:53:31 ah. well, I'm happy with the rpm/yum combo. multilib is a timesaver, esp. since the last time I used a .Deb-based system, OpenOffice was a 386-only app Apr 02 20:53:35 .tgz! Apr 02 20:53:37 msi :) Apr 02 20:53:46 Mousey: point taken. yum was slow until one year ago or so Apr 02 20:54:01 have you tried the SUSE equivalents, though? yikes Apr 02 20:54:02 it's still garbage. you can't simultaneously install and uninstall packages Apr 02 20:54:11 you have to have separate commands for each Apr 02 20:54:19 and god help you if your rpm DB gets hoarked Apr 02 20:54:24 Mousey: ah. but that's just an interface problem. Apr 02 20:54:38 oh yes, the db thing is horrid. what does dpkg use as its backend? curious Apr 02 20:54:51 you know, i'm not really sure Apr 02 20:54:52 dpkg can get *&@#ed too, tho Apr 02 20:54:55 it's just harder Apr 02 20:54:56 gz'd txt files i think Apr 02 20:55:00 yeah Apr 02 20:55:12 not sure what RPM uses right now (I could check when I get to my other machine). have not had a corruption issue for ages Apr 02 20:55:13 tgz ftw! Apr 02 20:55:20 rpm uses berkleydb Apr 02 20:55:21 what update mechanism is the 8x0 gonna have? is it still .deb based but with some kind of auto updater? Apr 02 20:55:23 and if they get corrupted (most common problem for me was running out of disk space and they get written over by 0) Apr 02 20:55:29 heh. even Sun is moving to a RPM/DEB-style packaging system :) Apr 02 20:55:33 now that Ian Murdock is there Apr 02 20:55:40 It's not really an apt change Apr 02 20:55:48 packaging systems ftw! Apr 02 20:55:51 It's mostly a change in how Nokia deploys its update. Apr 02 20:56:01 i do love apt Apr 02 20:56:06 rm_you: one'd think apt will refuse to start the upgrade process if that will take too much space Apr 02 20:56:07 yer i know, but it has automatic updating for user apps as well Apr 02 20:56:08 though emerge/portage is nice too Apr 02 20:56:09 So, it'll be more like how you update the 3rd party stuff. Apr 02 20:56:33 The operating-system meta-package will probably end up in User/ Apr 02 20:56:34 it may Apr 02 20:56:37 is it just a deamon running to check for updates, but it still uses apt or whatever in the background Apr 02 20:56:37 but other things happen Apr 02 20:56:47 Presumably, lcuk2. Apr 02 20:56:49 mostly this happens to me on embedded systems or things running on USB sticks Apr 02 20:57:10 :) does sound reasonable, you cannot rebuild a packaging system and have it "perfect" in a couple of months ;) Apr 02 20:57:10 like the ubuntu updater? Apr 02 20:57:22 Probably Apr 02 20:57:33 Konttori's interview seems to have the best specifics. Apr 02 20:57:47 "Sir, we've solved the automatic updates dilemma." "How?!" "We used cron..." Apr 02 20:58:25 cron? that unreliable pile of pop - i demand 9 9's reliability - hire an intern to monitor the updates Apr 02 20:58:43 nice lcuk2 Apr 02 20:58:45 (and make sure shes cute) Apr 02 20:58:56 lol Apr 02 20:59:32 i would actually care about cute less than i'd want her to know WTF she was doing so she didn't break my system... does that say anything about my priorities? >_> Apr 02 20:59:52 Hehe Apr 02 21:00:05 ok, ill monitor her closely Apr 02 21:00:08 O.o Apr 02 21:00:11 What if she's cute and knowledgeable? Apr 02 21:00:12 llol Apr 02 21:00:16 The perfect combination. Apr 02 21:00:25 cute + knowledgable == win Apr 02 21:00:30 cute, knowledgable, unattached - pick any two Apr 02 21:00:32 wrong Apr 02 21:00:37 she can outsmart you Apr 02 21:00:39 what then? Apr 02 21:00:39 ;) Apr 02 21:00:41 luck2: usually >_> Apr 02 21:00:55 *lcuk2 Apr 02 21:01:03 Sadly. :( Apr 02 21:01:05 lcuk: throw in 'psychotic' Apr 02 21:01:14 good point Apr 02 21:01:25 gahhh this thing wants me to type mumbo jumbo brb Apr 02 21:01:39 thats better Apr 02 21:01:56 You register your alts yet? :P Apr 02 21:02:01 KotCzarny, yes Apr 02 21:02:05 lol what do you think.. Apr 02 21:02:09 kenne: huh? Apr 02 21:02:14 KotCzarny, but there is a #canola channel as well Apr 02 21:02:18 ah, ok Apr 02 21:02:25 * lcuk would rather close and reopen than have to remember some magic string Apr 02 21:02:25 " does canola devs come to maemo # ?" Apr 02 21:02:28 kenne: what nicks should i watch for? Apr 02 21:02:33 god, what does that say about my console abilities ;) Apr 02 21:02:39 go to #canola, that is easier Apr 02 21:02:40 /msg nickserv identify Apr 02 21:02:42 everyone is there Apr 02 21:02:44 FAIL FAIL FAIL Apr 02 21:03:17 void liqbook_read(char *bookname,int fontsize) not quite, i just save my typing for important stuff :P Apr 02 21:03:26 lcuk , rm_you - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20031023 Apr 02 21:04:02 that was rude Apr 02 21:04:03 :) Apr 02 21:04:07 milfs are hot Apr 02 21:04:08 ;) Apr 02 21:04:10 heh Apr 02 21:04:11 :O double lol - at old uf and the strip itself Apr 02 21:17:10 * lcuk engages lurker mode and goes playing Apr 02 21:17:53 * GeneralAntilles watches his marines get sodomized by lcuk's lurker. Apr 02 21:18:19 i would never put the companion cube up there Apr 02 21:18:31 what's companion cube? Apr 02 21:18:51 ask google :) Apr 02 21:19:02 i'm afraid Apr 02 21:19:02 ;) Apr 02 21:19:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game) Apr 02 21:19:48 don't be :) its from portal - the single best time waster ever to be released Apr 02 21:19:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqQISNKWZSA Apr 02 21:20:10 this one? Apr 02 21:20:22 Pfft Apr 02 21:20:26 Portal fails at being a time waster Apr 02 21:20:29 way to short for that. :P Apr 02 21:20:58 short only if you think tetris is over because you have seen all the pieces Apr 02 21:21:38 :> Apr 02 21:21:44 Ha Apr 02 21:21:52 i am in need of some down time (i basically havent stopped playing linux since christmas) Apr 02 21:21:53 The advanced levels helped Apr 02 21:22:08 But, still, they need a community puzzle pack or something. Apr 02 21:22:14 ^^^ and yes, thats the best way to describe it Apr 02 21:22:22 they have Apr 02 21:22:34 theres many portal maps available in many places Apr 02 21:22:39 OK, they need a community puzzle pack for us stupid smucks with 360s. :P Apr 02 21:22:54 you need to get a proper computer then :P Apr 02 21:23:43 Meh Apr 02 21:24:01 :O gfs shop just been armed robbed Apr 02 21:24:16 Armed with what? Apr 02 21:24:18 thankfully they are k i think, police might have also caught them Apr 02 21:24:19 Knives? Apr 02 21:24:27 bang sticks :( Apr 02 21:24:41 * GeneralAntilles wont comment on the UK's stupid legislation. Apr 02 21:24:44 Glad she's OK. Apr 02 21:24:58 she stopped working nights because of this Apr 02 21:27:18 Portal's the best game ever, but as GA says: too short. I finished it in a weekend and want *more* Apr 02 21:27:51 ep 3 = gordon and a portal gun Apr 02 21:27:52 Thankfully there are real time wasters like Oblivion around. Apr 02 21:27:55 hopefully Apr 02 21:28:06 maemo is a decent game Apr 02 21:28:22 * Jaffa bought the Orange Box for HL2 and Portal, and hasn't played much HL2 Apr 02 21:28:36 Yeah, HL2 just isn't very exciting. Apr 02 21:28:56 Tactical shooters have kinda ruined the whole Quake-like FPS for me. Apr 02 21:29:09 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/nov07/rubik.jpg Apr 02 21:29:10 lol Apr 02 21:29:57 i actually prefer the generic cube over cc if i hadnt have found out about 810 in december i was gonna make one over xmas Apr 02 21:30:11 * lcuk is ashamed to say that lol Apr 02 21:31:53 http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_newgd/tattoo_niki_both-legs.jpg Apr 02 21:31:54 lol2 Apr 02 21:41:51 boom! Apr 02 21:50:45 TF2 is a nice middle-ground. Apr 02 21:55:26 hl2 had some fantastic atmosphere Apr 02 21:55:43 ufo! Apr 02 21:55:58 what Apr 02 21:56:03 atmosphere ;) Apr 02 21:56:09 when i first went to mars Apr 02 21:56:12 x-com? Apr 02 21:56:16 i thought i have fallen asleep Apr 02 21:56:21 it was surreal Apr 02 21:56:22 :) Apr 02 21:56:23 i don't know what you're talking about Apr 02 21:56:24 nah Apr 02 21:56:27 first part Apr 02 21:56:42 i know it only as 'ufo' Apr 02 21:56:43 :) Apr 02 21:56:46 ohhh HL1 Apr 02 21:56:46 ufo defense? Apr 02 21:56:56 on amiga Apr 02 21:56:58 :) Apr 02 21:57:00 oh Apr 02 21:57:07 luckily i had 2.5mb already Apr 02 21:57:15 so less dj'ing Apr 02 21:57:16 ;) Apr 02 21:59:19 bleh, still can't seem to get booting off mmc to work Apr 02 21:59:43 TF2 is boring. Apr 02 22:00:10 I miss Red Orchestra Apr 02 22:00:18 Now that was one hell of an FPS. Apr 02 22:02:48 where did it go? Apr 02 22:12:30 so anyone tryp numpty physics yet? Apr 02 22:13:09 * Jaffa has had a quick play Apr 02 22:16:52 Hmm.. I own TF2 and never even installed it yet. Apr 02 22:19:01 :o Apr 02 22:40:33 in the vmware image i have a console window which i open to do building from. its called "maemo scratchbox environment". now every time i open this it opens a xephyr window which i do not want and have to close every time. how do i remove it? Apr 02 22:40:50 (but keep the console) Apr 02 22:41:21 copy whole scratchbox dir to your linux somewhere and run gfrom there? Apr 02 22:41:22 :) Apr 02 22:41:37 ok - where do i copy it on my live cd? Apr 02 22:41:39 ;) Apr 02 22:41:56 mount hdd in live cd Apr 02 22:42:12 if you don't have hdd usb stick will do too Apr 02 22:42:13 :) Apr 02 22:42:42 or even n8x0 connected via usb cable ;) Apr 02 22:42:48 assuming you have ext2/3 partition Apr 02 22:42:53 but thats a bit extreme, i am kinda comfortable running in vmware, its lower resolution than i would like and it lags a bit, but the gameplay is fine Apr 02 22:43:05 :) Apr 02 22:43:13 lcuk: the icon on the desktop goes to a script, just look in the script Apr 02 22:43:15 i have never used vmware Apr 02 22:43:22 run something like /scratchbox/sb-login Apr 02 22:43:29 the script is in ~/scripts Apr 02 22:43:34 erhm Apr 02 22:43:47 /scratchbox/login is enough thank you Apr 02 22:43:53 KotCzarny: this is the maemo sdk vmware image - xubuntu with scratchbox and goodies installed Apr 02 22:44:10 crashanddie: couldn't remember offhand, just saw the q on my way out Apr 02 22:44:19 ty megabyte405 :) Apr 02 22:44:29 lcuk: np! Apr 02 22:44:30 megabyte: but i think scratchbox tree can work between systems Apr 02 22:44:33 lcuk, create a new launcher, command: /scratchbox/login and check "launch in console" or something alike Apr 02 22:45:11 KotCzarny: if you like to keep your sanity, not really. Scratchbox requires some weird tricks when installing Apr 02 22:45:16 :) Apr 02 22:45:24 maybe, i just ran the script Apr 02 22:45:32 to be honest, I've given up and just use the vmware, it's easiest that way Apr 02 22:45:35 that too Apr 02 22:45:36 and i have working /mnt/sda7/scratchbox dir Apr 02 22:45:39 later all Apr 02 22:45:50 my scratchbox is mounted on lfs, so i have the same deving environment everywhere I go, even over the internet, lfs through an ssh connection Apr 02 22:46:36 as long qemu doesn't complain about host libs it's ok Apr 02 22:46:38 :) Apr 02 22:46:43 BRUTAL! thanks all :) Apr 02 22:46:53 who? Apr 02 22:46:54 me? Apr 02 22:46:55 :) Apr 02 22:47:26 :-) is this the right place for n800 / n810 hacking? Apr 02 22:47:39 could be Apr 02 22:47:39 NullM0dem, you think ? :P Apr 02 22:47:47 heh Apr 02 22:47:49 trolls be here too Apr 02 22:47:50 just excited Apr 02 22:47:51 anyone try running "blueproximity"? Apr 02 22:47:52 so beware Apr 02 22:47:53 ;) Apr 02 22:48:11 KotCzarny, noooo, don't warn 'em aliens, they be dangerous Apr 02 22:48:14 getting ready to grab an n810 soon Apr 02 22:48:23 get n800 Apr 02 22:48:24 :> Apr 02 22:48:28 NullM0dem, sweet :) Apr 02 22:48:31 i get them all :) Apr 02 22:48:32 810 is inferior to 800 Apr 02 22:48:35 oh Apr 02 22:48:41 then get 810 wimax enhanced Apr 02 22:48:42 :) Apr 02 22:48:47 I just discoverd them Apr 02 22:48:49 I got 'em both too :) Apr 02 22:49:22 800 rules over 810? Apr 02 22:49:27 yes Apr 02 22:49:32 I'm not convinced Apr 02 22:49:32 but it depends on your views Apr 02 22:49:34 and needs Apr 02 22:49:37 exactly Apr 02 22:49:46 i prefer 2 full size sd slots Apr 02 22:49:47 but they're pretty equivalent Apr 02 22:49:47 and 790 rules over 800 ;) Apr 02 22:49:53 well i just want an internet tablet mp3 player/ that is hackable Apr 02 22:50:06 Woo, 790! Apr 02 22:50:16 NullM0dem, if you don't need the GPS and keyboard, take the n800 Apr 02 22:50:19 im going to be buying a ts-7800 to use as a medi aserver Apr 02 22:50:32 ts-7800 is an arm based board Apr 02 22:50:36 and if you don't need chic look of n810 Apr 02 22:50:38 that is Apr 02 22:50:39 :) Apr 02 22:50:41 ha Apr 02 22:50:57 yeah, the n810's metal jacket is pretty sexy Apr 02 22:50:58 that's the only thing i miss from 810 Apr 02 22:50:58 :) Apr 02 22:51:00 http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 Apr 02 22:51:19 though Apr 02 22:51:20 I have to admit Apr 02 22:51:22 that baord will be a server in the home and i plan on just creating a webinterface for the n800 Apr 02 22:51:33 it gets scratched pretty fast and doesn't handle greasy fingers well Apr 02 22:51:46 most haldhelds wont Apr 02 22:51:47 nullm0dem: mmpd ? Apr 02 22:51:48 :) Apr 02 22:51:50 yes Apr 02 22:51:57 then there's a client already Apr 02 22:51:59 mmpc Apr 02 22:52:00 :) Apr 02 22:52:02 custom wrappers Apr 02 22:52:08 ill check it out Apr 02 22:52:08 NullM0dem, I'm talking 'bout the metal case of the n810 compared to the n800's plastic one Apr 02 22:52:22 Im a slut for metal casings :-P Apr 02 22:52:25 heh Apr 02 22:52:30 metal slut Apr 02 22:52:31 :P Apr 02 22:54:02 I still have 2 ipaq 3975 handhelds Apr 02 22:54:48 Eeeew WinMob :O Apr 02 22:54:54 NullM0dem, if you don't look at the price tag, go for the n810, you won't regret it, if you don't need the extra features, go for the n800 Apr 02 22:55:15 Alternatively, if you actually want to have some storage on your device, get the N800. ;) Apr 02 22:55:30 micro-sd 32Gig ftw Apr 02 22:55:30 crashanddie: depends on which extra features Apr 02 22:55:31 :) Apr 02 22:55:41 I could care less about GPs Apr 02 22:55:41 Those don't exist. Apr 02 22:55:48 2x 32gig full size sd ftw! Apr 02 22:55:55 i do like the hardware keyboard Apr 02 22:55:56 Heck, 16GB sub-SDs don't existt yet. Apr 02 22:55:56 GeneralAntilles, yet ! Apr 02 22:56:11 crashanddie: they will be more expensive Apr 02 22:56:13 much more Apr 02 22:56:14 :) Apr 02 22:56:19 By the time Micro is up to 32GB, real SD will be 64GB or 128GB. ;) Apr 02 22:56:55 unless something changes in the flash world Apr 02 22:57:03 but i doubt it Apr 02 22:57:16 though possibility exists Apr 02 22:57:20 another question is, do you really need that much storage on an IT ? Apr 02 22:57:30 yes! Apr 02 22:57:32 :) Apr 02 22:57:44 well, I dunno Apr 02 22:57:54 have you ever used maemo mapper? Apr 02 22:57:55 ;) Apr 02 22:57:57 I have a permanent 3G connection, and my servers at home are fine Apr 02 22:58:35 50KB/sec doesn't really cut it for video streaming. ;) Apr 02 22:58:41 Plus, there's the network overhead Apr 02 22:58:51 I get more than 50Kb/s thank you very much :) Apr 02 22:58:54 You can't play un-transcoded video over wifi. Apr 02 22:59:03 PAN? OK, 100KB/sec Apr 02 22:59:23 Still only 800Kbps Apr 02 22:59:30 erhm Apr 02 22:59:34 where do you live ? Apr 02 22:59:39 ;) Apr 02 22:59:39 southern mongolia ? Apr 02 22:59:41 Those are bluetooth limits Apr 02 22:59:44 Not network limits. Apr 02 22:59:55 You're not getting 300KB/sec tethering to a Bluetooth phone with 3g. Apr 02 22:59:59 who said anything about bluetooth ? Apr 02 23:00:15 Most people with permanent 3g tether. Apr 02 23:00:16 KB or Kb? Apr 02 23:00:21 KB Apr 02 23:00:24 yall are using the two interchangeably. sloppy. Apr 02 23:00:26 My units are all correct. ;) Apr 02 23:00:31 No, I'm not. Apr 02 23:00:38 I'm using all of my units just fine, thanks. Apr 02 23:00:42 erhm Apr 02 23:00:49 now, streaming video cannot be done on 50KB/s Apr 02 23:00:51 I never know which is which ? Apr 02 23:00:54 care to enlighten me ? Apr 02 23:00:58 koyote: youtube? Apr 02 23:00:59 :) Apr 02 23:01:00 crashanddie: B is byte b is bit Apr 02 23:01:05 ok Apr 02 23:01:10 I want to examine this statement Apr 02 23:01:13 byte == 8bits Apr 02 23:01:16 byte = 8 bits Apr 02 23:01:39 50KB/sec doesn't really cut it for video streaming. ; Apr 02 23:01:48 * MangoFusion takes a byte Apr 02 23:01:48 yay on modest being the email client in the future by default Apr 02 23:01:50 I'm not sure I agree entirely here. Apr 02 23:01:52 i encode 400kB/s frequently Apr 02 23:01:53 At any sort of quality. Apr 02 23:02:03 kb/s Apr 02 23:02:04 argh Apr 02 23:02:08 lol Apr 02 23:02:10 well, now, see. Apr 02 23:02:12 50KB/s is like less than youtube quality Apr 02 23:02:14 400Kbps is really rather low for me. Apr 02 23:02:15 erm Apr 02 23:02:18 it is an 8 fold difference Apr 02 23:02:21 k is for kilo Apr 02 23:02:22 not K Apr 02 23:02:29 ga is an idiot Apr 02 23:02:34 hell, 50kB is 30kB less than youtube Apr 02 23:02:41 That's, say, 304Kbps for video and 96Kbps for audio. Apr 02 23:02:48 Way too low. Apr 02 23:02:51 which by any standards, suck Apr 02 23:03:09 does the n810 have bluetooth 2.0? Apr 02 23:03:10 i forget Apr 02 23:03:14 Yes, dieman. Apr 02 23:03:21 yeah, broadband got renamed to 700kbit lately Apr 02 23:03:21 video bitrates for youtube are generally around 260kbps Apr 02 23:03:22 ;) Apr 02 23:03:24 cool Apr 02 23:03:59 i can show you some 340kb/s nokia encodes i did in a minute Apr 02 23:04:05 anyway, why are you talking about gsm? Apr 02 23:04:14 nice ~2mbps Apr 02 23:04:15 IT is going wimax Apr 02 23:04:26 and no gsm Apr 02 23:04:30 i'm going to stick with GSM/HSDPA/LTE Apr 02 23:04:36 and tether still Apr 02 23:04:45 i go out to the netheregions from time to time Apr 02 23:04:55 and dont want to have to pay for wimax + phone data Apr 02 23:05:16 would you say hsdpa with bluetooth is useless? Apr 02 23:05:16 sooner or later wimax will be cheap alternative Apr 02 23:05:18 i wont be able to wimax at the cabin, for instance :) Apr 02 23:05:44 you can't do gsm in tubes/basement too Apr 02 23:05:45 ;) Apr 02 23:05:47 i already pay only $20 for EDGE service Apr 02 23:05:53 heh, no tubes here Apr 02 23:05:57 dont have that issue ;) Apr 02 23:06:20 if we move into the basement at work we're going to get a AWS/PCS repeater installed Apr 02 23:06:30 No, lcdd. Apr 02 23:06:35 Especially not with a PAN device. Apr 02 23:06:46 is there a huge benefit with PAN devices? Apr 02 23:06:58 faster data rates? better power consumption? Apr 02 23:07:03 hmm Apr 02 23:07:11 bt is power efficient by design Apr 02 23:07:14 more than wifi Apr 02 23:07:24 i don't know how efficient is wimax Apr 02 23:07:30 [ie: over DUN] Apr 02 23:08:12 DUN is 50KB/sec, PAN is around 100-120KB/sec Apr 02 23:09:07 dun song: dun dun dun dundun duuuun dun dun DUN! Apr 02 23:09:49 (poor cliche of doom song) Apr 02 23:10:01 hmm Apr 02 23:10:09 thought it was the climax moment of a thriller Apr 02 23:10:40 BT was never meant to be fast though Apr 02 23:10:54 someone should tell ga that he is an idiot and don't know SI Apr 02 23:11:09 ga , Apr 02 23:11:10 and his units aren't ok, thank you Apr 02 23:11:10 ? Apr 02 23:11:11 :) Apr 02 23:11:17 GeneralAntilles Apr 02 23:11:21 oh Apr 02 23:12:03 hmmmm no one has tried blueproximity Apr 02 23:13:21 ds3, don't like the concept Apr 02 23:13:38 ds3, my phone doesn't always stays in my pocket when I go away Apr 02 23:13:52 ds3, I'd be pissed if I left the phone downstairs and can't unlock the computer Apr 02 23:14:30 crashanddie: another use is to have a bluetooth beacon at home and use that to key off for stuff like switching back to home WiFi or starting a sync Apr 02 23:14:38 ill never use a cell Apr 02 23:16:33 ds3, I have a laptop, desktop, eeepc, n810... I don't even think my phone would support being connected to two of those at any given time, let alone all of them Apr 02 23:16:39 ds3, you dont need bt to do either of those things. by connecting to your home wan you run the sync. why add an extra layer? Apr 02 23:16:48 lcuk, +1 Apr 02 23:17:12 * lcuk -1 Troll Apr 02 23:17:33 slashdot whore! Apr 02 23:17:38 [lcuk] has 0 points (+1, -1 troll) Apr 02 23:17:39 apple hussy Apr 02 23:17:56 :P Apr 02 23:18:33 hmm Apr 02 23:18:35 in soviet russia...... Apr 02 23:18:40 apple/cat pie Apr 02 23:19:44 applecat modem! Apr 02 23:21:43 lcuk: okay, how do I get it to switch to the home W-LAN when I am there? Apr 02 23:21:59 auto connect Apr 02 23:22:06 auto-connect is the suck Apr 02 23:22:09 yup Apr 02 23:22:14 power syucker Apr 02 23:22:16 I like it! Apr 02 23:22:16 battery drainage ftw Apr 02 23:22:21 ftl Apr 02 23:22:27 that doesn't work for me, it stays on the phone til I manually change it or move the phone away Apr 02 23:22:35 Mostly because I'm usually in an area where I have wifi access. Apr 02 23:23:09 ds3, spike your phone into the terrazzo when you walk in the door, you'll be set. :P Apr 02 23:23:15 that's like the first time you play with your IT, you're like "wooaaa, awesome", then you install gmail notifier, and you come back the evening, and your battery's dead... And you're like "ok, well, better not tell this to my friends" Apr 02 23:23:16 ok, rewrite the drivers to autoconnect to ppecified adapters only Apr 02 23:23:27 :> Apr 02 23:23:43 easier to get blueproximity working and just have a bluetooth beacon at home Apr 02 23:23:49 we do have the source for the drivers...don't we? ;) Apr 02 23:23:59 some Apr 02 23:24:04 lcuk: I think I have complained about the lack of configurablity in the network managment stuff already Apr 02 23:24:13 yer :) Apr 02 23:24:15 erhm Apr 02 23:24:35 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4333 Apr 02 23:24:36 hah Apr 02 23:24:39 doesn't blueproximity == searching for the bluetooth connection ALL THE TIME ? Apr 02 23:24:42 but if you run a monitoring daemon on the desktop you can get it running sync from that end Apr 02 23:24:59 crashanddie: something like that Apr 02 23:25:11 just whenever and however your device connects to your LAN it will be synced Apr 02 23:25:28 whether it be autoselection or connecting manually it will still occur Apr 02 23:26:10 I don't see the point of syncing it everytime though Apr 02 23:26:26 if you need to sync your portable device EACH TIME, you have a design problem Apr 02 23:26:31 yeah Apr 02 23:26:34 like medialibraries Apr 02 23:26:37 no, just once when I get home Apr 02 23:26:41 and metalayer-crawl Apr 02 23:26:42 ;) Apr 02 23:26:52 or maybe once at 0400 daily if I am connected to the home network Apr 02 23:27:21 I might write a anti-theft app though Apr 02 23:27:23 ds3, wonder if alarmd would help? Apr 02 23:27:33 for the n810, that is Apr 02 23:27:52 whenever it connects to the internet, check with a server if its been stolen or not Apr 02 23:27:54 I mean, if you stick to a fairly regular schedule, alarmd + dbus to change networks would work pretty well. Apr 02 23:28:01 if it has, activate gps, and send gps info to the server Apr 02 23:28:05 and mugshots! Apr 02 23:28:09 Don't forget the mugshots! Apr 02 23:28:16 what, with camera , Apr 02 23:28:16 GeneralAntilles: I saw the post on ITT about that... I would still like to be able to be sure if I am at home, i am on the home network and not out via GPRS Apr 02 23:28:16 ? Apr 02 23:28:24 Of course. Apr 02 23:28:36 heh, what gps.. Apr 02 23:28:52 KotCzarny, note the "for the n810, that is" Apr 02 23:28:57 blueproximity to trigger the network switch and alarmd to fire off syncs at the right time should work Apr 02 23:28:59 even on 810 Apr 02 23:29:00 ;) Apr 02 23:29:12 KotCzarny, the gps on the n810 is pretty good actually Apr 02 23:29:31 despite what everyone says Apr 02 23:29:40 i have seen mostly bad opinions Apr 02 23:29:45 yeah Apr 02 23:29:48 I have never seen it work. Apr 02 23:29:50 i suppose i could it in reverse..let up a bluetooth listening service on the N800 side and have the home PC poke it when it sees it in range Apr 02 23:29:52 but that's the thing with opinions Apr 02 23:30:02 people who like it don't bother giving their opinions Apr 02 23:30:03 maybe it's because of location Apr 02 23:30:12 some places are better for fixing Apr 02 23:30:16 but then is there a way of forcing a network change via DBUS? Apr 02 23:30:17 people who are pissed about it are flaming their ass off Apr 02 23:30:23 I left it sitting out all night... never got a fix. Apr 02 23:30:33 My BT GPS got a fix in under a minute. Apr 02 23:30:39 Guess which one I use. Apr 02 23:30:41 ds3, there is an option to never connect automagically to phone connections Apr 02 23:31:10 crashanddie: that doesn't help. I want it to use the phone when I am away Apr 02 23:31:27 derf, I get a fix under 3 minutes right under a thermal windscreen Apr 02 23:31:42 all they really need is some kind of network priority system in the network manager. if a higher priority network is seen, use it Apr 02 23:31:45 ds3, it chooses wifi over phone connection Apr 02 23:32:08 crashaddie: right, but the choices are made only if there is no current connection Apr 02 23:32:10 derf, that's unusually bad experience - are you in between buildings? Apr 02 23:32:38 Hell, I just got a fix IN MY HOUSE Apr 02 23:32:50 you live in a yurt? Apr 02 23:32:53 I'm about 6 feet from the window Apr 02 23:33:10 I'm right under the roof though Apr 02 23:33:35 though, they should optimize the gps Apr 02 23:33:37 i used to live in a yurt :-) and a tepee Apr 02 23:33:44 it seems it does a cold boot every single time Apr 02 23:33:52 and a bunghole? Apr 02 23:33:54 :> Apr 02 23:34:31 pupnik: No. Apr 02 23:34:33 anyway Apr 02 23:34:40 1.30 here Apr 02 23:34:43 and oral exam tomorrow Apr 02 23:34:47 lol Apr 02 23:35:05 its english, so you be fine though Apr 02 23:35:12 wow Apr 02 23:35:18 it's english, so should be fine though Apr 02 23:35:21 ;) Apr 02 23:35:31 wish you luck on that exam ;) Apr 02 23:35:37 heh Apr 02 23:35:55 always a good thing to make typos on a sentence implying you have an exam xD Apr 02 23:36:02 ;) Apr 02 23:36:13 though, I have to admit Apr 02 23:36:27 oral exam economy was a bitch Apr 02 23:37:04 crashanddie must be in europe Apr 02 23:37:09 economy is a lie Apr 02 23:37:31 so that's why the teacher kept saying "economy is a piece of cake" Apr 02 23:37:35 CUZ THE CAKE IS A LIE Apr 02 23:38:02 pupnik, hey, figured that from the timezone, einstein ? Apr 02 23:38:17 anyway, cheers everyone Apr 02 23:38:33 ;) Apr 02 23:38:47 no, just oral exams Apr 02 23:38:58 comparatively rare in the states Apr 02 23:39:03 hmm Apr 02 23:39:04 well Apr 02 23:39:23 economy is one, english is two, only 3 two go Apr 02 23:39:31 to Apr 02 23:39:33 djeezus Apr 02 23:39:36 yeah, I'm tired Apr 02 23:39:39 bye Apr 02 23:39:43 p/ Apr 02 23:39:44 nigt night Apr 02 23:42:18 hmm Apr 02 23:50:52 http://lonelymachines.org/images/posters/liberty.jpg Apr 02 23:50:53 :> Apr 02 23:59:53 that quote is not actually about the availability of arms, as much as the mentality of the American people as perceived by Yamamoto during his time at Columbia Apr 03 00:00:51 (Columbia doesn't sound quite right, now that I've said that; it was one of the East Coast universities) Apr 03 00:01:18 harvard Apr 03 00:01:38 there you go Apr 03 00:13:34 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/the_military_s_gas_war Apr 03 00:13:36 ehehehe Apr 03 00:29:02 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/stamp.jpg Apr 03 00:29:02 lol Apr 03 00:29:51 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/FAIL.jpg Apr 03 00:29:52 :> Apr 03 00:37:16 thats funny Apr 03 00:38:36 I used to send mail that way, but i lived in the sticks. the nearest PO was 20 miles away Apr 03 00:44:56 burt reynolds wouldn't carry your mail downstream in his canoe? Apr 03 00:47:40 haha Apr 03 00:48:04 were do you get burt reynolds form Apr 03 00:48:06 from Apr 03 00:53:46 from hollywood Apr 03 00:53:48 of course Apr 03 00:53:49 :) Apr 03 00:59:57 hey Apr 03 01:00:30 hmm new portable device based on omap3530 coming out soon for $330 Apr 03 01:00:38 sounds like its not horribly expensive Apr 03 01:00:45 the omap3530 that is Apr 03 01:00:57 Pandora, you mean? Apr 03 01:01:03 yeah Apr 03 01:01:05 The OMAP3 isn't really any more or less expensive than the OMAP2 Apr 03 01:01:19 I'll believe it once it actually hits production. ;) Apr 03 01:01:26 For now, it's mostly just a bunch of hot air. Apr 03 01:01:32 i dont suppose these processors are transplantable Apr 03 01:01:37 stick one in a n800 Apr 03 01:01:42 not really, they have to pull something out with atom on the horizon Apr 03 01:01:43 They WERE targeting $300 Apr 03 01:01:54 its a race to the floor Apr 03 01:01:57 cheapest wins Apr 03 01:02:27 Hardly, lcuk, best efficiency wins. :P Apr 03 01:02:32 (within limits) Apr 03 01:02:42 and the Atom aint there yet. Apr 03 01:02:48 tsukasa, of course they're not Apr 03 01:03:00 didnt think so :< Apr 03 01:03:06 this nokia is nowhere near as efficient as my old loox was - although i basically do the same on it i have to have it plugged in at night to last Apr 03 01:03:10 aside from the obvious issue of lacking a socketing-system. Apr 03 01:03:23 theres a socketing system Apr 03 01:03:27 its called solder and wired Apr 03 01:03:28 s Apr 03 01:03:35 That's not socketing. :\ Apr 03 01:03:53 Still, semantics aside, the pinouts are most certainly different. Apr 03 01:04:08 and Linux isn't even running on the OMAP3s yet. Apr 03 01:04:18 they should slap a solid state fan on one of those things and boost up the clock speed Apr 03 01:04:20 really?! Apr 03 01:04:26 how does that work Apr 03 01:04:30 linux runs on everything Apr 03 01:04:33 tsukasa: what about battery life? Apr 03 01:04:33 Not 100% Apr 03 01:04:45 Follow the omap-linux list if you want details. Apr 03 01:04:50 KotCzarny, thats what usage profiles are for Apr 03 01:04:58 maybe Apr 03 01:05:06 but if i want to play i start my desktop Apr 03 01:05:23 long plane flight, boot up some crash bandicoot Apr 03 01:05:24 http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/ Apr 03 01:05:26 or something Apr 03 01:05:45 my laptop does 4-6h on standard battery Apr 03 01:05:59 its also several times larger Apr 03 01:06:01 while watching movies Apr 03 01:06:04 not that much Apr 03 01:06:10 it's an ibm x32 Apr 03 01:06:13 12" Apr 03 01:06:17 ugh Apr 03 01:06:20 waste of technology Apr 03 01:06:28 too small to be productive, too large to be portable Apr 03 01:06:32 not true Apr 03 01:06:42 it's both productive and portable for me Apr 03 01:06:54 you want bigger screen? you hookup second monitor Apr 03 01:07:06 sure if you have tiny fingers and dont mind your eyes dying in 5 years Apr 03 01:07:10 or sit closer Apr 03 01:07:20 tsukasa: ever used thinkpads keyboard? Apr 03 01:07:40 KotCzarny, no, but theres a size limit to 12" keyboards Apr 03 01:07:46 tsukasa, then try it Apr 03 01:07:59 it's keys are FULL size Apr 03 01:08:41 and layout is perfect Apr 03 01:09:04 lcuk: how about 225dpi? *grin* Apr 03 01:09:27 400*480 per eye isnt to be sniffed at ;) Apr 03 01:09:44 and i swear its the size of a skyscraper Apr 03 01:09:45 it's not the pixels, it's the real size Apr 03 01:09:46 :) Apr 03 01:10:03 real -- visible Apr 03 01:13:18 speaking of eyestrain, its time for bed Apr 03 01:13:35 go go Apr 03 01:13:36 :) Apr 03 01:13:59 gnite Apr 03 01:58:18 Im having a bit of trouble locating a repo for libpcap... Any suggestions? Apr 03 01:58:26 gronmayer.it ? Apr 03 01:58:53 or whatever it was called Apr 03 01:58:53 :) Apr 03 01:59:03 Ok... Let me give it a look over Apr 03 01:59:11 ah. .com Apr 03 01:59:19 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 Apr 03 01:59:57 you can always compile it yourself too Apr 03 01:59:59 Thanks Apr 03 02:00:18 Looking for a shotcut first Apr 03 02:00:34 sure Apr 03 02:03:28 When using app manager... When ever i list the aps.... "Updating" takes place for a long time. Any thought? Apr 03 02:03:44 how many repos you have? Apr 03 02:03:50 It's a bug? Apr 03 02:03:55 Possibly fixed in Diablo. Apr 03 02:04:44 5 repros Apr 03 02:05:13 Well 6 now... Apr 03 02:05:47 Bug for sure? Apr 03 02:06:02 It's a broken behavior Apr 03 02:06:04 It's a bug. Apr 03 02:06:16 Run apt-get update from the command line. Apr 03 02:06:29 It actually tells you what it's doing, and actually gives useful error messages. Apr 03 02:06:42 how hard would it be to get netbsd on the n810 Apr 03 02:06:44 Eh, Application manager has a log file. Apr 03 02:06:56 b1ackD3ath, doesn't NetBSD even have an armel port? Apr 03 02:07:09 GeneralAntilles: See, I didn't even _know_ that. Apr 03 02:07:17 Which shows you how useful it is. Apr 03 02:07:23 Menu: Tools -> Log Apr 03 02:07:33 derf, it really depends on your use-case and background. ;) Apr 03 02:07:34 Hmm Apr 03 02:07:45 And a log file doesn't tell you where it paused waiting for some server to connect. Apr 03 02:07:49 app-manager is beta class software anyway Apr 03 02:07:52 It's not useful for YOU, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful for people who have no command-line experience. Apr 03 02:07:52 Unless it's timestamped... Apr 03 02:07:57 But that seems like a lot of reading. Apr 03 02:08:15 GeneralAntilles yeah ur right it does not Apr 03 02:08:20 Eh, I usually don't have issues with slow servers. I have issues with servers timing out. Apr 03 02:08:39 b1ackD3ath, if you really want a full-OS sort of deal, Debian's armel branch is the best. Apr 03 02:08:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Apr 03 02:09:44 thanks Apr 03 02:09:50 I seen plenty of servers that will "connect"... and then never send any data. Probably due to poor "transparent" proxy implementations. Apr 03 02:10:44 :P Apr 03 02:11:14 GeneralAntilles that looks like fun , cuz right now i have a dual boot, so0o i have xfce on 1 and kde on the other Apr 03 02:12:05 Can i past a line in here? Apr 03 02:12:17 How long is the line? Apr 03 02:12:29 Rule of thumb, if it's over 5 lines long, use pastebin. Apr 03 02:12:34 Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) Apr 03 02:12:42 close app-man Apr 03 02:12:48 It is Apr 03 02:12:54 Is Application manager open? Apr 03 02:13:08 check for errors in dmesg Apr 03 02:13:16 One sec Apr 03 02:13:21 for read-write errors Apr 03 02:13:31 It shouldn't be if you're trying to run apt-get update Apr 03 02:13:35 You also need to be root. Apr 03 02:13:45 Which means installing something like easyroot from nitapps.com Apr 03 02:14:52 Have root.... All thats in dmsg is : [ 7500.179687] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Apr 03 02:15:01 that's power saving Apr 03 02:15:04 hmm Apr 03 02:15:13 I say again, is Application manager open? Apr 03 02:15:19 check ps ax, or just reboot Apr 03 02:15:20 :) Apr 03 02:15:31 Let me ps.. Apr 03 02:16:25 Is it or is it not? Apr 03 02:16:29 It's a GUI application Apr 03 02:16:34 Should be dead easy to tell. Apr 03 02:17:11 Gui is dead... Dont see anything that stands out with ps Apr 03 02:17:22 then reboot Apr 03 02:17:31 Ok...brb Apr 03 02:17:32 it's easier than trying to debug all the cases Apr 03 02:17:33 :) Apr 03 02:17:49 Congratulations Nokia, you've made Linux feel like Windows. Apr 03 02:18:01 yeah, app-man should die in hell Apr 03 02:18:23 It could be worse. Apr 03 02:18:24 Windows doesn't have ANY package management. Apr 03 02:18:30 msi Apr 03 02:18:33 and ga is an idiot Apr 03 02:18:33 Maemo could be yum-based. Apr 03 02:18:40 no, rpm is worse Apr 03 02:18:44 deb is ok Apr 03 02:18:50 * elb boggles Apr 03 02:18:51 it's the gui that's br0ken Apr 03 02:20:47 :- Apr 03 02:20:57 :-) Apr 03 02:21:01 better? Apr 03 02:21:10 Ya... Thanks... Apr 03 02:21:21 maybe some app hanged Apr 03 02:21:30 while trying to update those repos Apr 03 02:21:45 that would explain /var lock Apr 03 02:21:59 *hung ? Apr 03 02:22:37 Well... Been trying all afternoon to get kismet on the n810 working.... I could have done a number of things Apr 03 02:26:30 any of you running it? Apr 03 02:26:50 * KotCzarny not yet Apr 03 02:27:18 Hehe Apr 03 02:27:31 hmm Apr 03 02:27:38 i should put shpongle on my nokia Apr 03 02:27:38 :) Apr 03 02:30:41 shpongle is awesome Apr 03 02:30:48 'nude on the moon' is one of my favs Apr 03 02:30:49 yeah Apr 03 02:30:53 hum Apr 03 02:30:59 never heard this one Apr 03 02:31:03 what album? Apr 03 02:31:12 don't remember Apr 03 02:31:43 they started out with a trippy tiki-lounge style, then did some trance/goa, then i lost track Apr 03 02:31:55 and once i know you like shpongle, what else is similiar? Apr 03 02:32:10 a vast library of 60s lounge/exotica Apr 03 02:32:25 let me think Apr 03 02:32:28 i prefer trance/goa Apr 03 02:32:40 trippy in general Apr 03 02:32:41 we may be thinking of different shpongle albums Apr 03 02:32:54 i have 2 Apr 03 02:33:23 are you shpongled and nothing lasts Apr 03 02:33:40 oh, and tales of the inexpressible Apr 03 02:34:26 and some bootleg which is very nice too Apr 03 02:35:30 i need to do some data recovery :( Apr 03 02:35:35 np Apr 03 02:35:43 i need to take a shower anyway Apr 03 02:36:24 ah sorry Apr 03 02:36:31 i confuszled shpongle with 'tipsy' Apr 03 02:36:36 :) Apr 03 02:36:51 but you know shpongle? Apr 03 02:36:58 yes Apr 03 02:37:25 :) Apr 03 02:37:49 sphongle is a gread band Apr 03 02:38:01 one in a kind Apr 03 02:38:02 :) Apr 03 02:38:08 Vast is also a good kind of rockish similar band actually **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 03 02:59:57 2008