**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 03 02:59:57 2008 Apr 03 03:02:27 http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ Apr 03 03:02:28 hmm Apr 03 03:02:31 interesting Apr 03 03:04:43 hi Apr 03 03:05:03 how install xhcat on nokia n800+OS 2008 ? Apr 03 03:05:14 s/xhcat/x-chat Apr 03 03:08:11 lopz, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Apr 03 03:08:31 GeneralAntilles, thanks ;) Apr 03 04:14:29 who got splitted Apr 03 04:14:30 :) Apr 03 04:15:30 we? Apr 03 04:15:33 :) Apr 03 04:15:44 people on clarke. server Apr 03 04:15:45 :) Apr 03 04:21:17 My mail, hopefully. Apr 03 04:21:19 :) Apr 03 04:21:31 estimated shipping date? Apr 03 04:21:35 Tomorrow. Apr 03 04:21:38 nice Apr 03 04:21:42 Paid the extra 10bux. Apr 03 04:21:49 install sdk in the meantime Apr 03 04:21:56 I'm a Zaurus veteran so I hope it works out :D Apr 03 04:21:59 it's few hundred megs Apr 03 04:22:06 :) Apr 03 04:22:28 Actually, I forgot to check if it's got a Mac version. Apr 03 04:22:33 and unless you're point&click user you will need it sooner or later Apr 03 04:22:36 I have Debian on here, too, though. Apr 03 04:22:37 hmm Apr 03 04:22:42 intel mac? Apr 03 04:22:45 Ja. Apr 03 04:22:49 then vmware Apr 03 04:22:51 :) Apr 03 04:23:01 i mean vmware image Apr 03 04:23:20 That too. Though Debian+GNOME+Compiz -almost- has what it takes to make me switch. Apr 03 04:23:35 :) Apr 03 04:23:48 wobbly windows get bored sooner or later Apr 03 04:23:55 * KotCzarny runs on fluxbox Apr 03 04:23:56 :) Apr 03 04:24:03 Honestly the only thing holding me back is two-finger scrolling, which is much better on OS X :| Apr 03 04:24:24 hum Apr 03 04:24:24 I turn the wobbly windows off. I just use it for the dropshadows and the Exposé -like features. Apr 03 04:24:30 mhm Apr 03 04:24:49 two fingered scrolling is okay Apr 03 04:24:55 the right side scrolling is okay too Apr 03 04:25:06 scroll wheel is what works for me Apr 03 04:25:25 The thing about the two-finger scroll, though, is it works both horizontally and vertically. Apr 03 04:25:27 it can be considered one fingered scrolling Apr 03 04:25:31 mhm Apr 03 04:25:35 So I can scroll a large image in circles. Apr 03 04:25:38 Very addictive. Apr 03 04:25:40 :) Apr 03 04:25:49 and pointless Apr 03 04:25:50 =P Apr 03 04:26:00 not pointless Apr 03 04:26:02 natural Apr 03 04:26:12 Also, Safari scrolls by pixels rather than lines of text, so it's a lot smoother than Firefox. Apr 03 04:26:25 not all of us use tiny laptop screen KotCzarny ;) Apr 03 04:26:29 ikkakujyou: install smpoothwheel extension Apr 03 04:26:30 :) Apr 03 04:26:43 mine has >5 pixel width Apr 03 04:26:46 KotCzarny: Hmm, you make a compelling point. Apr 03 04:26:47 no need for horiz scroll Apr 03 04:26:49 tsukasa: even on big screen you can start working on big images Apr 03 04:27:05 5pixel width? Apr 03 04:27:07 O.o Apr 03 04:27:14 12 Apr 03 04:27:18 12" screen* Apr 03 04:27:21 you mean inches Apr 03 04:27:22 :) Apr 03 04:27:36 if im working on images i use my dual 24" Apr 03 04:27:42 see? Apr 03 04:27:49 that's why i don't like 15" laptops Apr 03 04:27:55 not so portable Apr 03 04:27:58 as one would like Apr 03 04:27:59 :) Apr 03 04:28:09 KotCzarny, i think you need a better laptop bag Apr 03 04:28:11 and you still have to use external big screen Apr 03 04:28:17 tsukasa: i hate laptop bags Apr 03 04:28:23 all i use is backpack Apr 03 04:28:32 thats what i use too Apr 03 04:28:35 and 12" form factor is just perfect Apr 03 04:28:45 lol small backpack Apr 03 04:28:49 no Apr 03 04:28:53 15" would fit too Apr 03 04:28:54 13". Apr 03 04:28:57 but it will be heavy Apr 03 04:28:58 :) Apr 03 04:29:01 also Apr 03 04:29:07 inflight fun Apr 03 04:29:09 15" MBP is super light Apr 03 04:29:13 unless you fly 1st class Apr 03 04:29:19 you will notice that 12" is better than 15 Apr 03 04:29:20 ;) Apr 03 04:29:35 especially when person before you leans back Apr 03 04:29:36 ;) Apr 03 04:29:45 KotCzarny, http://www.jinx.com/other_swag/other/jinx_logo/jinx_laptop_backpack.html?catid=21 Apr 03 04:29:53 KotCzarny, what i use Apr 03 04:29:55 tsukasa: i use samsonite Apr 03 04:30:07 *i'm using Apr 03 04:30:21 meh, samsonite has put out some bags im not a fan of Apr 03 04:30:39 i have one that i use for many years now Apr 03 04:30:46 i was looking at pro-dlx Apr 03 04:30:48 quite nice Apr 03 04:31:05 simple, yet featurefull Apr 03 04:31:10 Need ta get one of the laptops with solar panels on itl Apr 03 04:31:16 s/itl/it./ Apr 03 04:31:16 Ikkakujyu meant: Need ta get one of the laptops with solar panels on it. Apr 03 04:31:35 ikka: wait for power cells Apr 03 04:31:45 be it hydrogen or nuclear ;) Apr 03 04:31:59 solar panels are good for devices <15W Apr 03 04:32:14 more like 1W Apr 03 04:32:14 ;) Apr 03 04:32:34 Actually, might that be enough for the N800? I know you can run a Zaurus off of a hand-crank dynamo. Apr 03 04:32:38 hmm Apr 03 04:32:39 probably Apr 03 04:32:51 it has 1.5Ah battery Apr 03 04:33:06 and it lasts 3-4h at full cpu usage Apr 03 04:33:12 and 10days at idle Apr 03 04:34:12 Hmm, I'll have to see how well it plays MP3s with musicpd :D Apr 03 04:34:21 :) Apr 03 04:34:32 try with sdk Apr 03 04:34:34 :) Apr 03 04:34:44 Exactly. Apr 03 04:34:44 you can run most apps with it Apr 03 04:35:20 tsukasa: this backpack is too big for my taste :) Apr 03 04:35:48 -shrug- Apr 03 04:35:52 as long as its light Apr 03 04:36:13 still covers too much of the back Apr 03 04:36:18 summer is hot in nyc Apr 03 04:36:19 ;) Apr 03 04:36:53 http://www.luggagepros.com/mpb/IID10342.shtml?zmam=6548955&zmas=1&zmac=22&zmap=IID10342 Apr 03 04:36:57 i like simple designs Apr 03 04:36:57 :) Apr 03 04:37:34 shaped kinda gay Apr 03 04:37:43 nope Apr 03 04:37:44 :) Apr 03 04:38:27 KotCzarny, i live in texas. it gets alot hotter here than nyc Apr 03 04:38:32 :> Apr 03 04:38:37 SoCal here :P Apr 03 04:38:41 its called AC fool Apr 03 04:38:58 tsukasa: not when you need to get out Apr 03 04:39:09 car? bus? Apr 03 04:39:17 and one doesn't wear backpack in the house Apr 03 04:39:19 usually Apr 03 04:39:20 JI :D Apr 03 04:39:21 :) Apr 03 04:39:59 * tsukasa need a n800 Apr 03 04:40:02 needs* Apr 03 04:40:14 * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ Apr 03 04:40:15 :) Apr 03 04:40:21 where at? Apr 03 04:40:27 craigslist Apr 03 04:40:47 and new one s 190$ Apr 03 04:40:53 *is Apr 03 04:41:05 <|thunder> kot, where ? Apr 03 04:41:12 <|thunder> mine was 230 Apr 03 04:41:21 i believe i have seen some on froogle Apr 03 04:41:39 haven't actually checked how legit were those sites Apr 03 04:43:09 lol, http://www.simsimgate.com/cell-phones-pdas/nokia-replica/nokia-n800-style-cell-phone-mobile-phones-with-256mb-card/prod_946.html Apr 03 04:43:38 ! Apr 03 04:43:46 <|thunder> 180$ Apr 03 04:43:48 is that legit Apr 03 04:43:58 it's a fake Apr 03 04:43:59 :) Apr 03 04:44:04 not an n800 Apr 03 04:44:06 320x240 Apr 03 04:44:07 ;) Apr 03 04:44:11 <|thunder> http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n800&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1=150&price2=600&btnP=Go Apr 03 04:45:04 hmm Apr 03 04:45:12 the cheapest new is 205 then Apr 03 04:45:13 for now Apr 03 04:45:14 :) Apr 03 04:45:30 <|thunder> http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n800+-navigation&btnG=Search+Products&show=dd Apr 03 04:45:33 <|thunder> thats better Apr 03 04:45:51 http://www.despercia.com/nokia-n800.html?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=Comparison+site&utm_term=Nokia+N800&utm_campaign=Nokia+N800 Apr 03 04:46:16 shipping 0, not bad Apr 03 04:46:28 <|thunder> ya, free shipping is nice Apr 03 04:46:31 and located in nyc Apr 03 04:57:38 morning Apr 03 04:57:48 midnight Apr 03 04:57:56 ;D Apr 03 04:58:08 KotCzarny: u mnie 7 rano jest Apr 03 04:58:15 spox Apr 03 04:58:16 :) Apr 03 04:58:34 ok - I have a stupid question Apr 03 04:58:41 there are no stupid questions Apr 03 04:58:47 only stupid answers Apr 03 04:58:47 ;) Apr 03 04:59:19 do I need more then usb a-a gender changer for n810 usb host or do I need to replace standard cable with otg one? Apr 03 04:59:46 with unmodified cable you need to switch usb mode by hand Apr 03 05:00:17 no problem it is then Apr 03 05:00:18 cool Apr 03 05:00:28 yup Apr 03 05:00:36 now I only need to find time for getting gender changer Apr 03 05:00:43 gender bender Apr 03 05:00:53 and then will write another 'feel the power of usb' post Apr 03 05:01:12 old one was: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/04/19/feel-the-power-of-usb/ Apr 03 05:01:46 now I have more hubs Apr 03 05:01:47 and remember that you only have 100mA in host mode Apr 03 05:01:50 :) Apr 03 05:02:13 KotCzarny: I have powered hubs ;) Apr 03 05:02:21 :) Apr 03 05:10:41 in worst situation I will be out of power supply units for them Apr 03 05:11:04 good atx psu Apr 03 05:11:13 and a bunch of connectors Apr 03 05:11:14 :) Apr 03 05:11:24 dc power ftw! Apr 03 05:11:49 lack space for it Apr 03 05:12:08 it's because all of those ac-adapters ? ;) Apr 03 05:12:39 no Apr 03 05:12:46 just kidding Apr 03 05:12:47 my desk has only 70x140cm Apr 03 05:13:23 keyboard, laptop, lcd panel with stand, miniitx mainboard, mouse, some papers and out of space reached Apr 03 05:13:34 you can keep atx psu below Apr 03 05:16:09 did I said that I have space under desk? Apr 03 05:16:10 :) Apr 03 05:16:18 hmm Apr 03 05:16:20 :) Apr 03 05:16:35 under ceiling then? Apr 03 05:17:51 ;) Apr 03 05:18:07 I think that it is time for first coffee Apr 03 05:18:20 07:24 means 4h since wakeup Apr 03 05:18:33 * KotCzarny had only 2 coffees in the whole life Apr 03 05:21:19 I need to buy yerba mate... Apr 03 05:21:25 :> Apr 03 05:21:41 green tee with lemon Apr 03 05:46:21 holy fuck Apr 03 05:46:28 the atom processor is -really- tiny! Apr 03 05:46:34 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3276&p=5 Apr 03 05:47:06 :) Apr 03 05:47:23 nice Apr 03 05:49:34 hmm Apr 03 05:49:42 they use pvr chip too? Apr 03 05:50:40 pvr? graphics? Apr 03 05:50:52 i'm looking at comments Apr 03 05:51:19 the article is a good read Apr 03 05:52:56 interesting, fight for mhz changed into fight for lowest power usage Apr 03 05:53:36 well the fight for mhz is still very much active, amd is just crippled right now Apr 03 05:53:49 especially going into nehalem.... intel is copying amds memory architecture Apr 03 05:53:58 its a kick in the pants Apr 03 05:54:25 intel uses some interesting tradeoffs in atom though Apr 03 05:54:44 heh, good enough [tm] paradigm Apr 03 06:17:55 KotCzarny, Apr 03 06:18:11 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3276&p=19 Apr 03 06:18:17 thats sexy Apr 03 06:18:33 hehe Apr 03 06:18:39 now Apr 03 06:18:48 run that omap at 1.6ghz plzthx Apr 03 06:19:25 nah Apr 03 06:19:39 omap is good, but after a few iterations intel will take the lead Apr 03 06:19:59 x86 is a major advantage since everything already runs on it Apr 03 06:20:09 not really Apr 03 06:20:28 and everything is more like: m$ windows runs on it Apr 03 06:20:48 it's linux that runs on everything Apr 03 06:20:51 nearly Apr 03 06:20:52 ;) Apr 03 06:21:11 And NetBSD does the rest. Apr 03 06:21:12 yeah but half the world runs on windows Apr 03 06:21:14 i hate to say Apr 03 06:21:33 tsukasa, which half? Apr 03 06:21:34 i dont support it, but its still a factor when it comes to proc adoption Apr 03 06:21:34 :) Apr 03 06:21:56 btw. i don't dismiss intel's new cpu Apr 03 06:22:13 but i simply don't like 'hey! we have something new! and it's almost as good!' Apr 03 06:22:26 yeah Apr 03 06:22:53 but i support intel in their endeavor. it brings more competition to the field, while putting their resources away from enthusiast cpus Apr 03 06:22:55 i use intel Apr 03 06:22:57 i use arm Apr 03 06:23:01 which amd desperately needs Apr 03 06:23:03 i use powerpc Apr 03 06:23:07 and amd too Apr 03 06:23:12 ugh ppc ftl Apr 03 06:23:25 tsukasa: actually b&w mac sits in the closet Apr 03 06:23:28 More like PPC ftw. Apr 03 06:23:39 but it's only a matter of taking it out :) Apr 03 06:23:40 Your Xbox, your Wii, and your PS3 are all PPC devices :P Apr 03 06:23:52 xbox is ppc? Apr 03 06:23:56 Xbox360. Apr 03 06:23:56 not x86? Apr 03 06:24:11 That's why it needs software emulation for Xbox classic titles. Apr 03 06:24:14 hum Apr 03 06:24:17 nice to know Apr 03 06:24:18 :) Apr 03 06:24:34 and no one hacked macosx onto it yet? Apr 03 06:24:34 er.. Apr 03 06:24:34 ;) Apr 03 06:24:57 360 has the development platform that works between winblows and 360 seamlessly Apr 03 06:25:02 i dont think its ppc... Apr 03 06:25:10 360 is ppc Apr 03 06:25:19 .NET allows cross-platform development. Apr 03 06:25:21 strange Apr 03 06:25:24 custom one tho, three in-order cores iirc Apr 03 06:25:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_%28processor%29 Apr 03 06:27:57 haha Apr 03 06:28:09 intel has its sights set on the n800 with menlow Apr 03 06:28:14 according to their powerpoint slide Apr 03 06:28:17 water moose Apr 03 06:28:19 :) Apr 03 06:37:54 Update: Imagination Technologies has announced that Intel uses the PowerVR SGX graphics core and the VXD HD video engine. Apr 03 06:42:05 Despite the implementation of a C6 power state, Atom will still lose to ARM based processors in both active and idle power. The active power disadvantage will be erased over the coming years as the microarchitecture evolves Apr 03 06:42:08 yeah. Apr 03 06:42:30 they will get there, some day Apr 03 06:44:21 yup Apr 03 06:44:31 like i said, it needs to go through a few iterations Apr 03 06:44:32 but where will be arm by then? Apr 03 06:44:43 depends if they get their shit together or not Apr 03 06:45:23 honestly i see little difference between the arms in the ipaqs a few years ago and the arms today Apr 03 06:45:29 and if our civilization will end in this solar cycle Apr 03 06:45:30 or smaller difference then what i would expect rather Apr 03 06:46:24 i don't work for arm, so i can't comment on that Apr 03 06:46:25 :) Apr 03 06:47:23 so can the n800 do video chat with skype yet? Apr 03 06:47:36 nope Apr 03 06:47:41 camera sucks anyway Apr 03 06:47:43 ;) Apr 03 06:47:48 what are they waiting for, more power? Apr 03 06:47:58 maybe more money Apr 03 06:48:09 skype has plenty of money Apr 03 06:48:15 never enough Apr 03 06:50:45 Someone should make an igo without that fucking sleep mode Apr 03 06:50:54 :/ Apr 03 06:50:55 :) Apr 03 06:51:09 you can ping the kb Apr 03 06:51:19 hcitool or hciping Apr 03 06:51:26 don't remember Apr 03 06:51:34 If i start typing while its sleeping it ends up disabling all desktop apps Apr 03 06:51:49 Manually or automatically? Apr 03 06:52:08 ? Apr 03 06:52:36 If ping keeps the thing from sleping, something that autopings it every once in a while could work Apr 03 06:54:23 l2ping Apr 03 06:54:26 that's the tool Apr 03 06:55:20 Nice, ill look into it Apr 03 06:56:57 huh. Apr 03 06:57:02 canola is.. unstable. Apr 03 06:57:58 How? Apr 03 06:58:43 i have played some songs and then it just hung Apr 03 06:58:56 Lol Apr 03 06:59:11 ie. i have tried to select another song and it hadn't reacted Apr 03 06:59:25 going to main menu worked though and exited normally Apr 03 06:59:41 also shuffle mode is buggy Apr 03 06:59:50 Oh? Apr 03 07:00:13 play some songs from a dir Apr 03 07:00:18 change to another Apr 03 07:00:25 and it won't play whole dir Apr 03 07:00:30 only few songs Apr 03 07:00:47 i've never had problems with canola2 Apr 03 07:00:50 maybe enabling repeat would help Apr 03 07:01:13 rm_you: have you used 'browse by dir' ? Apr 03 07:01:22 why would i? Apr 03 07:01:30 it indexes everything by artist / album >_> Apr 03 07:01:46 that would work if the files had proper tags Apr 03 07:01:48 :) Apr 03 07:02:18 i'm too lazy to go over all my files Apr 03 07:02:43 that's why i use bbd mode Apr 03 07:03:44 g Apr 03 07:05:10 off topic but interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7326097.stm Apr 03 07:06:16 "The energy released in these explosions is phenomenal; about two billion times the annual world energy consumption in just a fraction of a second. Apr 03 07:06:34 and we're talking about mere 2W for atom processor Apr 03 07:06:34 ;) Apr 03 07:10:03 hmm i was watching a video of the n800 Apr 03 07:10:13 seems laggy in app switching and web loading Apr 03 07:10:26 although im sure it was reviewed when it just released Apr 03 07:12:47 i don't know why archos is shown for portable video Apr 03 07:12:55 n8x0 is better suited :/ Apr 03 07:14:12 last time i have seen archos 704 decoding divx quality was similiar to original pentium chips vs pentium mmx enabled Apr 03 07:14:35 I want a cowon q5tw Apr 03 07:14:58 *Q5w Apr 03 07:15:56 hmm Apr 03 07:16:10 24bit screen? Apr 03 07:17:32 erm. windows ce? Apr 03 07:17:35 * KotCzarny shrugs Apr 03 07:19:51 Its cowon Apr 03 07:20:07 Means nothing can match it on audio and video Apr 03 07:20:19 i disagree Apr 03 07:20:57 and it's rotating drive based (good and bad) Apr 03 07:20:59 Some players can match the flat eq sq, but if you use eq you need cowon Apr 03 07:21:25 with zif-ata though (bad) Apr 03 07:21:43 Yea im not fond of hard drives Apr 03 07:21:44 meh, but it's windows Apr 03 07:22:03 many years ago I swore to never again give those bastards a penny of my hard-earned money Apr 03 07:22:05 I use a 2gb cowon d2 now, with 16gb sdhc card. Apr 03 07:23:32 http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/04/cowon-q5w-gets-reviewed-needs-work/ Apr 03 07:23:35 :> Apr 03 07:23:45 Yeah Apr 03 07:23:53 though engagdet is generally useless Apr 03 07:24:11 it all cuts down to personal views Apr 03 07:24:17 be it mine, their or yours Apr 03 07:24:22 as long you enjoy the gui Apr 03 07:24:24 it's ok Apr 03 07:24:31 and they recommend the archos, which in short, is a nickle and dime effort Apr 03 07:24:56 Lol gui doesnt really interest me. Over focus =on gui is why the n8xx isnt more popular and why ipods are Apr 03 07:25:15 it's not the gui, it's where the money for the gui is going :) Apr 03 07:25:17 cptn: gui meaning os, functionality etc Apr 03 07:25:21 usability in general Apr 03 07:26:10 Ah Apr 03 07:26:17 Os is another matter Apr 03 07:26:25 Unfortunately both cowon pmps run wince Apr 03 07:26:25 i see it as a whole Apr 03 07:26:46 you use it for something, then it's easy and intuitive for you or not Apr 03 07:26:56 and that's it Apr 03 07:26:56 :) Apr 03 07:27:50 Double the cpu and triple the ram of the n800 and id be happy Apr 03 07:27:56 all flame wars could be avoided if people remembered there as many personal needs as people themselves Apr 03 07:28:32 for ram, one can use swap Apr 03 07:28:33 mplayerplugin is for what? for internet video player? Apr 03 07:28:42 for cpu, hum, optimization Apr 03 07:29:01 There are still fanboys. Like some ipod users Apr 03 07:29:03 ? Apr 03 07:29:11 Optimization? Apr 03 07:29:16 yes Apr 03 07:29:22 using available resources Apr 03 07:29:50 ssvb already made stock mplayer very fast on IT Apr 03 07:29:50 ALL GUYS MUST INSTALL : http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/midori/libsexy_0.1.11-1_armel.deb :D Apr 03 07:29:57 libsexy is free :D Apr 03 07:30:29 Spamzor Apr 03 07:30:43 and people work on speeding up browser Apr 03 07:38:08 that cowon sells for 600$ ? Apr 03 07:38:09 lol Apr 03 07:38:51 at least in 12/2007 Apr 03 07:40:11 anyway, selling point of n800 (for me) was linux Apr 03 07:40:51 i like to tinker with software Apr 03 07:40:57 yeah, i bought it for open source / hackability Apr 03 07:41:20 hackability == flexibility Apr 03 07:41:29 also as a media player :P Apr 03 07:41:45 :) Apr 03 07:41:57 basically, what i wished my old Zaurus SL-5500 could be Apr 03 07:42:46 yeah, mines mainly for hackability and something to run ssh on, larger screen than my wince cellphone Apr 03 07:43:14 <3 portable wifi SSH handheld Apr 03 07:43:19 :) Apr 03 07:43:26 ssh i hacker's tool! Apr 03 07:43:29 *is Apr 03 07:44:18 and hackers are evil, as you may know Apr 03 07:44:23 Apr 03 07:44:34 lol Apr 03 07:44:36 i'm a hacker :( Apr 03 07:44:38 * rm_you kries] Apr 03 07:44:46 * rm_you doesn't want to be evil Apr 03 07:45:03 hmm Apr 03 07:45:14 the only cure for you is to run win 95 on dosbox then Apr 03 07:45:35 how would that make me *not* a hacker, then? :P Apr 03 07:45:48 you won't be able to do anything with that Apr 03 07:45:49 ;) Apr 03 07:46:08 but getting that working would be a feat of hacking by itself :P Apr 03 07:46:32 but once you have done it, you're castrated, in a way Apr 03 07:46:33 :) Apr 03 07:46:46 ... and then you vclose dosbox :P Apr 03 07:46:55 and you see your terminal again :P lol Apr 03 07:47:16 only if you break your promise Apr 03 07:47:30 ... or it crashes! ^_^ Apr 03 07:47:36 erm. Apr 03 07:47:37 well. Apr 03 07:47:41 that's a possibility Apr 03 07:47:48 but it will take long time Apr 03 07:47:50 to crash Apr 03 07:47:51 ;) Apr 03 07:47:54 KotCzarny> that's a possibility Apr 03 07:48:02 s/possibility/probability/ Apr 03 07:48:02 rm_you meant: KotCzarny> that's a probability Apr 03 07:48:20 hello rm_you :D Apr 03 07:48:25 sup :) Apr 03 07:48:25 someone ran win95 on n800, booting alone took 30min Apr 03 07:48:26 ;) Apr 03 07:48:54 KotCzarny yes and slow too Apr 03 07:49:03 win on linux! Apr 03 07:50:05 hum Apr 03 07:50:15 that zaurus have very short battery life.. Apr 03 07:50:30 *has Apr 03 07:50:40 yes lol Apr 03 07:50:50 the battery on every one i know of is now unusable >_> Apr 03 07:51:02 pity Apr 03 07:54:55 pupnik are u there? Apr 03 07:55:59 ok Apr 03 08:06:05 pupnik jaggedalliance2 has sound? Apr 03 08:08:50 Italodance: the original did, a lot. The talking was the best part. Apr 03 08:12:25 Lynoure what are stuffs for pack? Apr 03 08:12:53 infact what i need? *.pak and....? Apr 03 08:13:22 Italodance: I don't understand the question. Had mine on cd, never tried on maemo Apr 03 08:13:51 It had major problems with alsa, sadly, so last I tried it the sounds were choppy :/ Apr 03 08:13:58 oh i got u i need the original Apr 03 08:14:16 can it be fullscreen? Apr 03 08:14:20 The source is out there nowadays, I think. Apr 03 08:33:27 re Apr 03 08:52:58 hiya - im trying to pop up the context menu (while holding pen down) in my own app.. but - i dont get the signal :-/ Apr 03 08:53:23 does anyone know how to connect button-press-event or something like that in the Gtk app? Apr 03 09:11:37 hi Apr 03 09:20:02 #leaving Apr 03 09:22:52 morning all Apr 03 09:23:12 anyone use a Kingston micro to mini SD adaptor? Apr 03 09:27:53 ok, next question, is there any difference between a standard micro SD to mini SD adaptor and one which comes with an SDHC card? Apr 03 09:29:35 lardman: I have a Sandisk 4GB mirco SDHC in my N95. Let me put it in my N810 to test. Apr 03 09:29:45 I have a micro->mini adaptor too.. Apr 03 09:29:56 thanks Apr 03 09:30:25 I have a 4Gb Sandisk micro SDHC, but my no-name adaptor doesn't work Apr 03 09:30:53 Ok, works like a charm. Apr 03 09:31:10 And I got my adaptor from ebay from hong kong.. Apr 03 09:31:20 ah, I was wondering about one of those Apr 03 09:31:43 then again I can just buy a Kingston 1GB card + adaptors for about the same money Apr 03 09:31:54 My adaptor says Sandisk on it, but I doubt that it is real ;) Apr 03 09:32:19 :) Apr 03 09:32:36 I borrowed a real Sandisk one from a mate and it certainly doesn't work Apr 03 09:32:48 * lardman wonders why that might be Apr 03 09:32:52 Let me check what I payed for it. Apr 03 09:33:58 e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Micro-SD-T-Flash-to-Mini-SD-Card-Adapter-Converter-v4_W0QQitemZ190211107313QQihZ009QQcategoryZ18871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Apr 03 09:34:27 hmm, I was just in Singapore, I should have picked up a few enroute Apr 03 09:35:01 Yep something like that. It was just a few euro. Apr 03 09:35:11 Can't find it anymore in my ebay history.. Apr 03 09:35:21 X-Fade: not to worry, i think I'll get the Kingston card anyway, a bit more storage etc. Apr 03 09:35:42 * lardman crosses fingers that it works Apr 03 09:35:58 But at least it works. And it also works with my Kingston 1GB micro sd in that adaptor. Apr 03 09:37:10 X-Fade: yeah but I can't be sure I'll get the same one Apr 03 09:37:31 or get it at all! Apr 03 09:37:40 :) Apr 03 09:37:55 Are there active components in those adaptors? Apr 03 09:38:21 Isn't it just a rewire thing? Apr 03 09:41:22 does anyone know if powertop is available for the internet tablets? Apr 03 09:41:59 Spakman: I don't think it isn't. What good would it do? Apr 03 09:42:51 Do you want to analyze wake-ups? Apr 03 09:43:01 X-Fade: do you mean it Apr 03 09:43:06 's not available? Apr 03 09:43:16 X-Fade: yes, I'd like to monitor wakeups Apr 03 09:43:35 I haven't seen it at least. Apr 03 09:44:24 X-Fade: no worries, thanks. I think I know the source of the problem with my app (and can probably test another way). Apr 03 09:44:42 Spakman: Maybe strace it? Apr 03 09:46:10 X-Fade: aye, I'll try that now :) Apr 03 10:16:27 previously I installed maemo 3.2 Bora on my linux system Apr 03 10:17:17 now I am installing chinook ,in a new sytem Apr 03 10:21:29 I observed some of the steps are not there in chinook installation ,like installing Nokia EUSA licensed binaries..why so Apr 03 10:22:22 Is it upgradation of maemo 3.x or not? Apr 03 10:22:56 can anybody help me Apr 03 10:24:48 hello megabyte405 Apr 03 10:25:17 did you read my question? Apr 03 10:49:48 Morning all Apr 03 10:50:40 morning Apr 03 11:37:03 * Jaffa should probably /quit shortly since I'll be busy and mostly disconnected over the next few days. Apr 03 11:50:32 hi * Apr 03 11:50:58 do you know if there is a wifi radar for n810 which display in real time the wifi signal? Apr 03 11:55:20 There's a kismet port, but is radar really the right term as there's no directionality? Or are there really cool apps on other platforms which track signal strength to display physical relationships? Apr 03 11:57:10 Jaffa, i mean something that tells me where a signal come from Apr 03 11:58:32 that sounds physically difficult. Apr 03 11:58:48 you could wander about and try to triangulate I suppose. though that's hardly realtime. Apr 03 12:00:07 msh_, something that read hte signal level Apr 03 12:00:17 giskard: to know where signal is from you need 3 points of measure... Apr 03 12:00:19 is it possible to use glade's xml files for pygtk applications to the n8x0? Apr 03 12:00:32 liri: should be with python-glade Apr 03 12:00:41 right Apr 03 12:00:49 but not tested Apr 03 12:00:56 hmm, I see Apr 03 12:00:58 hrw, i don't need the exact coord but only the direction Apr 03 12:01:15 giskard: signal level do not give you direction... there are walls etc which change it Apr 03 12:01:24 hrw, true Apr 03 12:02:21 you rather can get list of WiFi devices + signal levels for networks Apr 03 12:02:23 thats all Apr 03 12:11:01 put your nokia inside a wok and walk round in a circle clowly and as long as you make the "ping" noise it will work Apr 03 12:12:15 :) Apr 03 12:12:55 lcuk: Heh, that would be a nice picture. :) Apr 03 12:13:09 Some form of directional heuristics would be cool, even if almost entirely unreliabe Apr 03 12:13:25 if your gps is connected on 810 and you monitor signal strength every second whilst walking you should get triangulation pretty quickly Apr 03 12:13:52 even better if you are in a car Apr 03 12:14:04 yeah, that'd be a good first pass Apr 03 12:14:26 Some kind of colour graded isoline thingey Apr 03 12:14:54 or get multiple 810 devices at your extremities Apr 03 12:15:13 translucent for each SSID with alpha inversely proportional to signal strength Apr 03 12:16:04 the problem is, signal strength does not alway fade equally with distance Apr 03 12:17:34 and if you think in 3d you end up with an aliens type situation where the routers crawl around in the walls Apr 03 12:19:50 lcukk: true on the drop-off, but it'd still look cool ;-) Apr 03 12:27:10 ahaha Apr 03 13:50:15 'lo Apr 03 13:54:06 hrw weren't you one of the openzaurus devs? Does your presence here mean you are working on Angstrom for the tablets or that you just own a tablet? Apr 03 13:55:53 TheFool: I am one of OZ devs. I also was OZ release manager and leader. Apr 03 13:55:58 TheFool: I have 770 and n810 Apr 03 13:56:27 both under maemo Apr 03 13:57:02 I lack time to test OE based distros on them Apr 03 13:57:26 but would be good to do tht one day on n810 - it needs keymap probably. Apr 03 13:57:36 lack of serial port connection suxx Apr 03 14:00:47 there is a serial port Apr 03 14:00:56 under battery Apr 03 14:01:19 are you seriously suggesting that they should put a serial port on the external case of such a device? Apr 03 14:01:21 so you need to combine how to power device and how to connect to pcb test points Apr 03 14:01:54 i'm just curious Apr 03 14:02:26 pupnik: for me it could be anywhere inside of case but better reachable then few testpoints which require soldering to be used Apr 03 14:02:50 ok Apr 03 14:03:12 <||cw> hrw: it won't run on external power with the battery out? Apr 03 14:03:41 ||cw: no boot without battery Apr 03 14:04:09 and taking battery oout == shutdown Apr 03 14:06:40 <||cw> hm, 770's pins are not under the battery Apr 03 14:09:00 btw - does n810wme firmware leaked somewhere already or not yet? Apr 03 14:09:51 ssvb: ping Apr 03 14:10:09 hrw: you asking because of texrat's comment on irc? Apr 03 14:10:18 s/irc/itt Apr 03 14:10:33 lardman: I do not read itt and I am curious Apr 03 14:11:36 aren't those pins next to the usb a serial port (on n810)? or is this another usb port? Apr 03 14:12:16 jott, pins next to usb? Apr 03 14:12:53 i've got 4 pins next to my usb port (when taking of the battery case) Apr 03 14:13:26 under some kind of "L" formed hole Apr 03 14:16:33 jott, there are more connectors beneath the battery Apr 03 14:16:41 jott, in a formation similar to one found in N800 Apr 03 14:17:23 I saw Igor describe those somewhere... iirc Apr 03 14:17:39 yes, i know but i'm just curious if this is usb/serial/jtag or something else ;) Apr 03 14:17:50 do you need to go into dev mode on n800 in order to get it to boot off mmc? Apr 03 14:18:06 jobu: you need to install a different bootloader Apr 03 14:18:17 i've got the initfs from fanoush Apr 03 14:18:43 jobu: that should be all you need afaik, though I always run in R&D mode so that may be necessary too Apr 03 14:20:10 ah, that's what I read: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=163545#post163545 Apr 03 14:20:15 i've been following several guides and each time i clone the system, the mmc card seems to get corrupted at some point Apr 03 14:20:30 jott, that might just be the usb connector Apr 03 14:20:56 jobu: I've not done it for a long time; I can't remember what had to be done Apr 03 14:21:38 did you user os2008 busybox tar or get gnu tar? Apr 03 14:22:26 hrw: phew, that took some searching. This is the hint I was talking about: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18634 Apr 03 14:23:59 jott: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163402&postcount=156 Apr 03 14:24:20 lardman: he is nokia guy? Apr 03 14:24:41 hrw: Texrat, yes Apr 03 14:25:02 ~curse him Apr 03 14:25:03 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, him ! Apr 03 14:25:59 so it might be a jtag port indeed?! still all speculations as it seems Apr 03 14:26:17 hi Apr 03 14:26:29 Igor is a Nokian though, so see his later posts in that thread Apr 03 14:31:45 Wasn't there a service manual floating around for the n800 anyway? Apr 03 14:32:38 lardman: schematics only Apr 03 14:33:06 hrw: might give some hints though, presumably the headers are named on there somewhere? Apr 03 14:33:09 jobu, what guide? i just setup my n800 last night to boot from mmc Apr 03 14:36:49 i still wonder why there was no brave soul yet to do some pcb scans of the n810 .. (i lack of those "reconstruction skills without high probability of breaking") Apr 03 14:38:18 Update: Packages for glibmm/gtkmm: These packages fix a nasty bug that will cause a crash when using Gtk::TextBuffer so everybody is encouraged to upgrade Apr 03 14:39:00 lardman: where is serial port is known. where to get jig to connect to it is less known Apr 03 14:39:52 i mean this http://www.kodawarisan.com/ guy disassembles the apple stuff even before turning it on Apr 03 14:40:44 hrw: fair enough Apr 03 15:32:18 anyone have experience building tomoe here? Apr 03 15:32:41 has anyone had problems with pqi sdhc cards? Apr 03 15:35:41 jobu: what's the problem? Apr 03 15:35:59 i'm wondering if my sd card is the problem lol Apr 03 15:36:11 still trying boot off mmc Apr 03 15:36:13 jobu: ah, your booting problem Apr 03 15:36:14 only dmesg can tell Apr 03 15:36:16 anybody experiencing backlight problems with the n810? sometimes it responds (lights up from dimmed/off state) too late Apr 03 15:36:17 :) Apr 03 15:36:29 it was immediate with the n800 Apr 03 15:36:31 disq: I don't think mine responds at all Apr 03 15:36:43 disq: to the light sensor that is Apr 03 15:36:54 jobu: what's your partition layout on mmc? Apr 03 15:37:08 # sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Apr 03 15:37:09 /dev/mmcblk0p1:1,16384,6 Apr 03 15:37:09 /dev/mmcblk0p2:16385,,83 Apr 03 15:37:09 /dev/mmcblk0p3: Apr 03 15:37:09 /dev/mmcblk0p4: Apr 03 15:37:16 on 4gb card Apr 03 15:37:19 hmm Apr 03 15:37:24 so vfat is there Apr 03 15:37:25 hum Apr 03 15:37:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 is what i'm following Apr 03 15:38:09 lardman: ah no not the sensor, just the coming out of dimmed/off state when you tap the screen and such Apr 03 15:38:26 disq: I put that down to cpufreq not waking up fast enough Apr 03 15:38:32 it sometimes responds a few (one or two) seconds too late Apr 03 15:38:41 hmm, that is slow Apr 03 15:38:47 I think I noticed that with my n800 as well Apr 03 15:38:48 mine just feels a bit laggy Apr 03 15:40:03 cu tomorrow Apr 03 15:40:09 the n800 is better, hardware changes? the n810 has a seperate chip to handle the rgb led without wasting cpu, maybe they also changed the lcd controller? otoh if they did, we wouldn't be experiencing fps/bandwidth problems just like n800 Apr 03 15:40:13 cya Apr 03 15:44:13 same LCD controller afaik, its a different screen though Apr 03 15:45:05 then probably cpufreq. should test it out with different cpufreq settings Apr 03 15:45:24 maybe some sleep state? Apr 03 15:45:30 accidental clicks detector? Apr 03 15:46:00 no, it wakes up eventually after just one click, just a little slow sometimes Apr 03 15:46:08 hmm Apr 03 15:51:04 what makes me think the sd card might be dying is i format and check sectors filesystem ok before mount Apr 03 15:51:18 clone system over and unmount Apr 03 15:51:25 fsck it and there inode errors... Apr 03 15:51:31 hmm Apr 03 15:51:42 not necessarily dying Apr 03 15:52:05 run badblocks to be sure Apr 03 15:52:17 inode corruption may be caused by bad software too Apr 03 15:52:18 :) Apr 03 15:53:11 does that wipe data? Apr 03 15:54:43 nope Apr 03 15:54:52 unless you run it in read-write mode Apr 03 15:54:54 kk Apr 03 15:54:58 heh Apr 03 15:55:49 but badblocks -sv /dev/something should be safe (umount first) Apr 03 15:56:26 for non-destructive rw mode add -n Apr 03 15:57:19 lardman - lower the threshhold in the ondemand folder (it defaults to 80) and your entire machine feels more snappy - but it restores itself after a reboot Apr 03 15:57:34 ya, it seems to be same thing as adding -c in mke2fs Apr 03 15:57:58 jobu, but mke2fs destroys previous fs Apr 03 15:58:01 :) Apr 03 15:58:12 badblocks checks and updates bb list Apr 03 15:58:26 i ran -c option when i created partition Apr 03 15:58:40 \:D hey kot btw Apr 03 15:58:40 and it didn't show any errors? Apr 03 15:58:50 oh well doesn't hurt to run again, half way done go! Apr 03 15:59:02 hi lcuk Apr 03 15:59:05 not that i noticed in log Apr 03 15:59:07 * lcuk isnt really here and will infact be vanishing Apr 03 16:00:24 sorta off topic, anyone know a decent win32 hdd s.m.a.r.t. tool? Apr 03 16:01:22 hdtune can show you those regs Apr 03 16:01:33 and is nice for other things too Apr 03 16:01:38 and small Apr 03 16:01:39 :) Apr 03 16:01:49 i'll try it out when i get home XD Apr 03 16:02:23 doesn't support all vendors extension very well though Apr 03 16:02:28 but basic params work Apr 03 16:02:29 :) Apr 03 16:02:42 i just want to know what my drive is dying from lol Apr 03 16:03:07 if it is just bad sectors i don't really care too much Apr 03 16:03:08 for that it will do :) Apr 03 16:03:56 Don't forget to celebrate ching ming tomorrow Apr 03 16:04:09 what's ching ming? Apr 03 16:04:27 only thing i know tomorrow is battlestar galactica heh Apr 03 16:15:38 bleh, still fails to boot from mmc Apr 03 16:19:36 /dev/mmcblk1p2 960856 300928 650008 32% / Apr 03 16:19:40 worked for me Apr 03 16:19:41 :) Apr 03 16:20:19 >.< Apr 03 16:21:17 did you use first or second os2008? Apr 03 16:21:21 ? Apr 03 16:21:27 Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #1 Sun Mar 2 12:08:11 EST 2008 armv6l unknown Apr 03 16:21:34 ok, that's 2nd Apr 03 16:21:58 i'm tempted to go out and get another sd card to test lol Apr 03 16:22:18 maybe you simply select wrong card at boot? Apr 03 16:22:34 nope, only 1 card in system Apr 03 16:22:49 still fanoush's boot menu allows you to boot from nonexistent card Apr 03 16:22:52 :) Apr 03 16:22:56 so you install yours in the external slot? Apr 03 16:23:03 ya but boot menu says non detected Apr 03 16:23:05 right now, yes Apr 03 16:23:13 if there is no card in slot Apr 03 16:23:17 because i just wanted to see if it boots Apr 03 16:23:21 heh Apr 03 16:24:18 i put in internal fails boot off immc Apr 03 16:25:05 i going to try clone with tar fanoush posted instead of busybox tar Apr 03 16:25:14 maybe Apr 03 16:25:19 try my trick then Apr 03 16:25:24 before cloning do: Apr 03 16:25:33 mkdir /tmp/something Apr 03 16:25:38 mount --bind / /tmp/something Apr 03 16:26:04 is that how you cloned yours? Apr 03 16:26:04 then clone contents of that dir instead of mtdblock mounted one Apr 03 16:26:06 yes Apr 03 16:26:12 ok, i try that first lol Apr 03 16:26:17 and i didn't cloned initfs contents Apr 03 16:26:28 only --bind mounted / Apr 03 16:28:15 so basically, mke2fs, mount --bind, copy binded contents, umount, done Apr 03 16:28:15 :) Apr 03 16:28:28 also i have used mc instead of tar Apr 03 16:28:33 though cp -a may work too Apr 03 16:28:34 :) Apr 03 16:30:07 hrm, i prob shouldn't have run mke2fs with -c since already did badblocks oh well Apr 03 16:30:26 -c does only read-test Apr 03 16:30:32 :) Apr 03 16:30:35 oh Apr 03 16:30:56 if it says done: xxx does that mean there was xxx errors? Apr 03 16:31:11 nope Apr 03 16:31:32 it will print block numbers one per line if found Apr 03 16:31:44 for example: done: 123 Apr 03 16:31:45 123 Apr 03 16:31:46 124 Apr 03 16:31:50 done: 125 Apr 03 16:32:06 also it will print summary at the end Apr 03 16:32:16 'bad blocks found: 0' Apr 03 16:32:21 or similiar Apr 03 16:32:26 i guess i should have added verbose lol Apr 03 16:33:04 i go check again after format Apr 03 17:02:11 canola doesnt support copy/paste? makes adding podcasts pretty hard :) Apr 03 17:02:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU Apr 03 17:03:15 wom-: with the 810 keyboard? it doesn't yet, we are working on it :-)... Apr 03 17:04:30 Just keep the slider closed and use the fullscreen keyboard? Apr 03 17:06:44 cmarcelo: ok, nice :) and yes in n810 Apr 03 17:07:49 wom-: for now you can try GeneralAntilles solution. Apr 03 17:09:06 ok, thanks Apr 03 17:38:19 cmarcelo: are you developing canola2? Apr 03 17:39:13 would it be possible to integrate the mediaplayer internet-radio medialibrary to canola2? Apr 03 17:39:18 oilink1: yes, I'm one of the developers. Apr 03 17:39:28 eg. it would be easy to add the radio channels Apr 03 17:39:53 you mean, using the radio channels from the default mediaplayer? Apr 03 17:41:10 cmarcelo: yes. there is the library which has tens or hundreds of the channels already listed Apr 03 17:42:41 and for the podcast part. nokia n95 podcast application has a nice feature to find the podcasts from the directory and also possibility to search the podcast feeds. that would be great with canola2 as well Apr 03 17:43:02 does canola support vidcasts? Apr 03 17:50:59 Of course, wom-. Apr 03 17:55:20 wom-, no, but i have it partly implemented Apr 03 18:00:01 oilink1: nice. this also could be implemented as a plugin :-) Apr 03 18:17:08 cmarcelo: that would be great :) Apr 03 18:21:47 nice I just signed up for offsec 101 april 6th course Apr 03 18:26:13 i think i'm going to slap my n800 with a large trout Apr 03 18:26:24 the fish might not appreciate Apr 03 18:26:48 dumb thing still won't boot off mmc =( Apr 03 18:27:55 Obviously you've done something wrong, then. ;) Apr 03 18:28:29 Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Apr 03 18:28:33 Unless you're installing Debian or something Apr 03 18:28:46 Just extend the rootfs onto one of thee cards if you really need the space. Apr 03 18:28:54 tryign get omniorb on there Apr 03 18:29:02 jobu: be patient, i'm creating clone script Apr 03 18:29:02 scratchbox doesn't like building it Apr 03 18:29:03 :) Apr 03 18:29:13 omniorb? Apr 03 18:29:33 and not enough space to compile on n800 atm Apr 03 18:29:42 ya, omniorb corba package Apr 03 18:38:29 hi Apr 03 18:39:03 exist's jdk for maemo? Apr 03 18:39:12 not even jre Apr 03 18:39:28 and javac? Apr 03 18:39:46 look for armel binary Apr 03 18:40:00 if you find one, then yes Apr 03 18:40:01 :) Apr 03 18:40:11 tnx Apr 03 18:40:19 but maybe there are some open source java compilers? Apr 03 18:40:30 that can be built and installed on the device Apr 03 18:41:59 send info about a good java compiler for maemo Apr 03 18:42:44 or about open source java compilers Apr 03 18:42:48 ? Apr 03 18:42:53 ? Apr 03 18:43:30 links, info...about open source java compiler Apr 03 18:43:49 to build on my maemo Apr 03 18:44:29 erm Apr 03 18:44:32 it was just a guess Apr 03 18:44:37 i don't know if there's one Apr 03 18:51:39 xmms for maemo? Apr 03 18:51:44 yes Apr 03 18:51:46 exist's? Apr 03 18:51:52 few versions even Apr 03 18:52:04 links? Apr 03 18:52:14 also Apr 03 18:52:18 or more info Apr 03 18:52:22 maemo.org Apr 03 18:52:37 or if you want my version: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xmms/ Apr 03 18:53:02 erm. sorry Apr 03 18:53:08 whis one: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/xmms/ Apr 03 18:53:28 you will probably need gtk1/glib1/libmikmod installed too Apr 03 18:54:47 http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=xmms+maemo cywiz Apr 03 18:57:01 tanxs Apr 03 19:02:30 jobu: still there? Apr 03 19:02:50 yep Apr 03 19:02:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=164628#post164628 Apr 03 19:03:00 it's my cloning script Apr 03 19:03:12 worked for me (i have checked it right now) Apr 03 19:03:30 okies Apr 03 19:06:13 if i using ext2 should i just sub ext2 in for all the ext3? Apr 03 19:06:18 * lcuk2 clones himself Apr 03 19:06:20 * lcuk clones himself Apr 03 19:06:20 probably Apr 03 19:06:35 also remove -j from mke2fs line Apr 03 19:06:48 k Apr 03 19:07:26 hi lcuk, wanna see my cloning script? Apr 03 19:07:50 kot, just reading your script now :) is it full partition clone Apr 03 19:07:57 yes Apr 03 19:08:07 and it booted all right Apr 03 19:08:10 <||cw> isn't using a journaled fs on a flash card a bad idea? Apr 03 19:08:22 ||cw: only with journal=data Apr 03 19:08:39 <||cw> it's still double the writes Apr 03 19:08:41 does anyone know if there is a list of mobile phones that are compatable with the n810? Apr 03 19:08:45 <||cw> just not fo rhte data portions Apr 03 19:08:45 which filesys does the device boot from currently? Apr 03 19:08:46 not any worse than vfat Apr 03 19:08:53 jffs2? Apr 03 19:09:01 <||cw> lcuk: internal, jffs2 Apr 03 19:09:04 vfat keeps inodes in one place Apr 03 19:09:10 ext2/3 disperses them Apr 03 19:09:23 so vfat will wear out your flash FASTER Apr 03 19:09:26 but the wear leveling shifts data around Apr 03 19:09:37 <||cw> yeah but wearlevling dispurses those anyway Apr 03 19:09:40 lcuk: built in flash Apr 03 19:09:49 ||cw: only withing 4mb blocks Apr 03 19:10:11 so every now and then 8 mb of data gets switched around Apr 03 19:10:20 it's not like, this block, move to ANY free block on the card Apr 03 19:10:29 ahhh well, will still happen with other filesystems Apr 03 19:10:42 it's like: this block move to ANY free block within THIS 4mb section Apr 03 19:10:44 practisevoodoo, pretty much any that work with DUN Apr 03 19:10:53 most that work with PAN with a little 3rd party software. Apr 03 19:10:56 and have bluetooth Apr 03 19:11:09 or wifi i suppose Apr 03 19:11:14 right, i have no idea what DUN is Apr 03 19:11:15 or wimax soon Apr 03 19:11:26 Dial Up networking - a data modem Apr 03 19:11:31 It's a Bluetooth profile. Apr 03 19:11:41 usb-irda adapter? Apr 03 19:11:42 :) Apr 03 19:12:00 well if we are going that far, usb->serial :P Apr 03 19:12:07 yup Apr 03 19:12:09 exactly Apr 03 19:12:17 there are possibilities Apr 03 19:12:24 my contract is about to expire so i was looking going to go with new phone and then an n810 to compliement it Apr 03 19:13:16 practisevoodoo, depending upon where you live, if you have not got your 810 yet, check local telecomes and see if you are getting wimax rollout - if you are, wait and get the 810 - it doesnt need a phone at all then Apr 03 19:13:42 i seriously doubt it, i am uk based Apr 03 19:13:56 wimax = wifi network data - but using cellular towers :) big large scale wifi Apr 03 19:14:03 manchester already has it Apr 03 19:14:06 so does milton Apr 03 19:14:14 and there is a list of about 30 cities Apr 03 19:14:22 yeah but how long until luton Apr 03 19:14:41 N810W is US-only for now. Apr 03 19:15:05 http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpukZZEVZBgbsCfXv.html Apr 03 19:15:11 <||cw> also rumored that you'll only be able to get it through wimax vendors Apr 03 19:15:19 practisevoodoo, dont know, maybe now is the time to find out :) Apr 03 19:15:26 bbl Apr 03 19:15:26 There's no contract with xohm Apr 03 19:15:30 <||cw> i know Apr 03 19:15:39 * practisevoodoo is googling as fast as he can Apr 03 19:15:43 lol Apr 03 19:15:53 <||cw> it won't be like cell phones, but you won't be able to order one from just anywhere Apr 03 19:16:17 im not sure how far all this is along, but i know wimax talk is spreading rapidly and devices are coming out and luckiliy manchester is ahead Apr 03 19:17:10 ||cw, sure you will - i can get the device from anywhere :) there is even talk of PAYG type service where when you connect it displays a login page - like the wifi in hotels and airports Apr 03 19:20:56 yeah i am failing to see any info on luton wimax dates so I am going to assume that if/when it happens it wont be for a while Apr 03 19:21:43 <||cw> lcuk: I know that too... let me get the exact wording that started the rumor Apr 03 19:22:48 besides i should be fine with a 1gb web and walk package from t-mobile Apr 03 19:23:14 http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/01/hands-on-with-the-nokia-n810-wimax-edition/ Apr 03 19:23:23 I have upgraded my n770 to OS2007 Apr 03 19:23:23 ^^^ hourly/daily mention :) Apr 03 19:23:51 practisevoodoo, im not seeing much either, shame really Apr 03 19:24:27 and I go to change my language, and I got "Device Memory Full" Apr 03 19:24:38 <||cw> bah, just "where ever wimax is avail" Apr 03 19:24:40 i can get a viewty for free so i figured i would go for that and then combine with a n810 Apr 03 19:24:42 and not change the language Apr 03 19:24:45 practisevoodoo, when you are getting your phone, the best is to ask directly if it can operate as a 3g modem for the nokia: Apr 03 19:25:02 and now? Apr 03 19:25:10 <||cw> speaking up upgrades, does 2008HE for the 770 ceom with flash 9? Apr 03 19:25:14 what to change my language? Apr 03 19:25:16 just get the viewty for free and then see if it works - if not you aint lost anything Apr 03 19:25:39 no Apr 03 19:25:41 unless it doesnt and then i have to get a replacement phone that does Apr 03 19:25:49 ||cw, 2008he is not considered stable enough for much of anything - i have heard its more a test than a working end user solution Apr 03 19:25:49 2007HE Apr 03 19:26:02 <||cw> what about 2007? Apr 03 19:26:09 oh that i dont know lol Apr 03 19:26:36 i never had a 770 or 800 so have never even seen the older oses Apr 03 19:27:04 err: "Device Memory Full", and not change the language Apr 03 19:27:36 what to change my language on 2007HE? Apr 03 19:27:53 cywiz, check whether you have got any free space and if not, make some Apr 03 19:27:57 ||cw, if you've got an N8x0, you can copy it over. Apr 03 19:28:08 They didn't license flash 9 for the 770, so you can't use it. Apr 03 19:28:15 Personally, I really like OS2008HE. Apr 03 19:28:53 i like 2008 as well, but they say on the download page that it is not stable Apr 03 19:28:56 hum, maybe in config initfs wrong...dunno though Apr 03 19:29:10 should i just select yes for everything? Apr 03 19:29:11 lcuk, have you used it? :P Apr 03 19:29:23 Yes, jobu. Apr 03 19:29:46 <||cw> I heard it was a different ABI Apr 03 19:29:47 can i say no to dropbear since openssh already installed? XD Apr 03 19:29:56 That's not the pointt Apr 03 19:30:00 dropbear will be on the initfs Apr 03 19:30:07 so if you fubar your rootfs Apr 03 19:30:16 you can run dropbear from the initfs to fix things. Apr 03 19:30:26 with USBNet Apr 03 19:30:33 To change my language in 2007he? Apr 03 19:31:02 fun stuff, reflash go! Apr 03 19:31:05 The error message appears: "Device memory Full" Apr 03 19:31:11 and not chnage the language Apr 03 19:31:46 jobu, reflash with the 2007he? Apr 03 19:32:04 cywiz, recommended actions: goto library: pickup American phrasebook, learn American. forget about changing language. eat donuts. ;) Apr 03 19:32:18 naw, i trying boot n800 off mmc with os2008 Apr 03 19:32:30 reflashing it to start from clean slate >.< Apr 03 19:35:08 grrr, everyone says pair with a compatable phone or compatable device no-one ever says which damn devices are compatable, stupid non-standard bluetooth Apr 03 19:35:49 Most of them are, practisevoodoo. Apr 03 19:35:53 yer - i have an o2 ice 3g phone with super fast 3g data downloads inside the phone, but i cant get at them from my 810 Apr 03 19:36:08 Problems stem more from shitty phones with shitty firmware than from the NIT. Apr 03 19:36:19 the next time i replace my phone i am taking my 810 into the shop, choosing a nokia and making sure it works at fullspeeed before i leave Apr 03 19:36:40 If it supports tethering, then it'll work. Apr 03 19:36:43 i can use the DUN profile but i get about 3k Apr 03 19:37:05 There's a giant thread on ITT where people list working phones. Apr 03 19:40:31 ok iit, google suggests itt corporation Apr 03 19:40:38 inital teacher training Apr 03 19:40:43 lol Apr 03 19:40:47 and itt defense electronics Apr 03 19:40:51 internettablettalk Apr 03 19:40:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com Apr 03 19:41:07 practisevoodoo, if you don't want to think about it, then Nokia S60 handsets are a sure-thing. Apr 03 19:41:36 One of the 3g N-series sets would make for a good combination. Apr 03 19:41:44 by the way, is there a difference between works (as mine can do) and works properly at full speed of the data connection between cell/tower Apr 03 19:42:06 if you are getting a nokia n series 3 g phone havent you just doubled the cost of the n810? Apr 03 19:42:18 what is the actual binary called that is the default browser, and on screen keyboard? I want to use KDE but also want to use the default keyboard and on screen keyboard. Apr 03 19:42:34 the idea is to get the cheapest compatible phone which has fast data Apr 03 19:42:36 lcuk, there shouldn't be. Apr 03 19:42:52 WorkingOnWise, tablet-browser? Apr 03 19:43:18 lcuk, maybe Apr 03 19:43:23 btw, I just gor 2 refurb Nokia 6555's from ATT on my new contract for free...I bet u can get them cheap off the shelf. Apr 03 19:43:26 some people like the N95 + N810, though. ;) Apr 03 19:43:32 gor=got Apr 03 19:43:58 I've had good success with Samsung sets. Apr 03 19:44:06 GeneralAntilles, n95 is nearedamn nuff the top of the range phone from nokia - bit of an expensive modem Apr 03 19:44:07 Not sure how well that translates to the UK Apr 03 19:44:10 I could just use Konqurer to browse around the file system and find it too, huh Apr 03 19:44:26 lcuk, I'm just throwing 'em out there. :P Apr 03 19:45:00 i know gen :) but thats like specifically buying a porsche to tow your car Apr 03 19:45:20 Meh, maybe, I don't recall seeing him specify that it would strictly be a modem, though. Apr 03 19:45:24 pupnik: Thanks for the updated MyPaint package! Apr 03 19:45:42 the 6555 is a 3g gsm phone. Just dont think you'll have a good contact manager...the 6555's sucks. Apr 03 19:46:58 Can you post a link to a diff so I can update the one at my site? Apr 03 19:47:22 DVB-H would be fairly awesome on the tablets once it gets going. Apr 03 19:50:57 i hope the flash applet gets faster - then dvb-anything wont be needed - i can stream all the tv i need from many video sites :) bbc are primary targets - it looks amazing but its postcards at the moment Apr 03 19:52:04 I'm looking at maybe picking up a HAVA at some point, too. Apr 03 19:52:43 wont slingbox do that? or cant we get that running for now? Apr 03 19:53:31 No Apr 03 19:53:37 slingbox doesn't work with the tablets. Apr 03 19:54:00 its available for the nokias running symbian though - ie its corporate blocking again Apr 03 19:54:34 You mean, they don't think the tablets are a big enough market to make a port for them? :P Apr 03 19:55:07 but porting to linux is gonna be massive this year - eee elonexone atom blah blah blah Apr 03 19:55:14 olpc Apr 03 19:55:35 Eee 9" ships with XP. ;) Apr 03 19:56:03 <||cw> optionally Apr 03 19:56:03 or linux Apr 03 19:56:16 infact, its linux or xp Apr 03 19:56:20 <||cw> with less flash Apr 03 19:56:35 and more touch Apr 03 19:58:44 anders_gud: painting right now :) Apr 03 19:59:10 great! Apr 03 19:59:12 it's much, much, much better than anything else i've tried for 'charcoal sketching' Apr 03 19:59:24 yes... Apr 03 19:59:30 i was using that physics thing for sketching last night :) Apr 03 19:59:33 still takes time to get used to Apr 03 19:59:33 the eee? Apr 03 19:59:57 my bro got the ibm tablet and likes sketching on it Apr 03 20:01:07 I haven't had time to fix the package Apr 03 20:02:17 there is a preliminary Todo in the thread at itt Apr 03 20:02:28 re Apr 03 20:05:09 the IBM tablet is out of reach for me, moneywise :-( Apr 03 20:06:19 seems nice though (wacom chip?) Apr 03 20:06:49 ya, supposedly detects angle and i forget how many levels of pressure Apr 03 20:07:24 255 I think... Apr 03 20:07:40 -200 because of screen protectors ;) Apr 03 20:07:48 good enough... Apr 03 20:07:49 (just kidding) Apr 03 20:08:09 but it's an issue authors should have in mind Apr 03 20:08:11 and users too Apr 03 20:09:41 issue? Apr 03 20:10:02 anders_gud: there's no diff - i just changed the control file Apr 03 20:10:09 ok Apr 03 20:10:19 anders, unpack the .deb package with ar x $package.deb Apr 03 20:10:24 then tar xzvf control.tar.gz Apr 03 20:10:28 and look in the control file Apr 03 20:10:33 section: user/other Apr 03 20:10:35 that's the change Apr 03 20:10:46 deps ? Apr 03 20:11:21 :> Apr 03 20:11:28 dependencies are not changed Apr 03 20:11:54 anders_gud: i'd like to get rid of the bottom status line in fullscreen mode Apr 03 20:12:04 they are missing... Apr 03 20:12:37 ok, i'll try.. Apr 03 20:13:16 unique311 was right, this is a much more useful app than mypant for sketching Apr 03 20:13:38 mtpaint? Apr 03 20:13:56 mypaint being more useful for sketching than mtpaint Apr 03 20:14:09 it's more like a editor.. Apr 03 20:14:18 ya Apr 03 20:15:22 there is an another app "Gogh" python based have you seen it? Apr 03 20:15:56 does not run on maemo yet, porting issues Apr 03 20:16:22 for sketching it is vital to have high speed Apr 03 20:16:38 i need to be able to turn off left brain and let stylus move where i want Apr 03 20:16:51 and i can't be proof-reading the sketch app to see if it followed my input correctly Apr 03 20:17:42 so i am doubtful that python has the speed Apr 03 20:17:47 even though some of mypaint is python Apr 03 20:20:48 It's simpler than mypaint, but has layers. Apr 03 20:21:22 python + gtk can use c compiled gtk user controls :) Apr 03 20:21:28 I fail to see why python should not be able to keep up with sketching Apr 03 20:21:34 its crap Apr 03 20:21:45 its very slow using native - even simple p2p lines Apr 03 20:21:50 i'm ready to smash this dumb n800 lol Apr 03 20:21:51 no doubt one could implement a python application which couldn't -- but one could also implement an application in anything else which couldn't Apr 03 20:21:57 you do not have the direct screen access required Apr 03 20:22:20 there's no reason you can't wrap raw-er X11 calls if need be Apr 03 20:22:31 pupnik, you've seen pygtkeditor - that uses a compiled source editor - the editor itself is c whilst the main host app is python Apr 03 20:22:47 I'm personally a big fan of that method of application design Apr 03 20:22:53 Ousterhout got it right ;-) Apr 03 20:22:54 x11 isnt even close enough for my liking, nor is sdl but its better Apr 03 20:23:08 SDL is farther from the hardware than X11 when it's running on X11 :-P Apr 03 20:23:33 jobu: why? Apr 03 20:23:45 still no go Apr 03 20:23:48 actually its not - its the same distance :) to get as close as possible on this device you need to use xv and the yuv formats Apr 03 20:24:01 jobu: do you have boot menu? Apr 03 20:24:04 yep Apr 03 20:24:08 the input comes through X11, though Apr 03 20:24:13 fails to boot from external mmc Apr 03 20:24:19 where exactly does it fail? Apr 03 20:24:21 but its the databits for the screen that is important Apr 03 20:24:27 and then boots to internal flash Apr 03 20:24:37 that's the only indicator i have that it isn't working lol Apr 03 20:24:41 there's no reason for X11 to be too slow to keep up with a sketching hand Apr 03 20:24:52 this is more of that premature optimization ;-) Apr 03 20:24:58 input comes from multiple sources and x11 handles it very well however the interface to the screen is what is slow Apr 03 20:24:58 all the steps up to that point give no indicator that there was a failure Apr 03 20:25:17 well, maybe the tablet's display is particularly slow; but in that case, I don't see why SDL would be faster Apr 03 20:25:30 jobu: when it booted, do df Apr 03 20:25:42 Blender has nice drawing capabilities too, but thats OpenGl Apr 03 20:25:44 and tell me how much space you have on / Apr 03 20:26:36 / is still on mtdblock4 107mb free Apr 03 20:26:47 elb, sdl may not actually be faster than x but its written to obtain a surface perfect for drawing on with a stylus - x is geared towards calculated polygons Apr 03 20:26:48 uhum Apr 03 20:27:30 ? Apr 03 20:28:01 i'm beginning to think there is something i should have done that wasn't listed on any guide for booting off mmc Apr 03 20:28:05 hmmm i thought i closed this down Apr 03 20:28:11 jobu, nope Apr 03 20:28:18 all i did was installing fanoush initfs Apr 03 20:28:22 and that clone.sh Apr 03 20:28:35 i chose yes to everything when installing initfs Apr 03 20:28:43 i may hacked some file on original rootfs though Apr 03 20:28:55 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz the proper one to get? Apr 03 20:28:59 yes Apr 03 20:29:35 i assume you have tried my script Apr 03 20:29:40 yep, clones fine Apr 03 20:30:04 humhum Apr 03 20:30:09 tried changing all ext2 and again with no changes and clean flash from beginning Apr 03 20:30:19 hmm Apr 03 20:30:26 actually Apr 03 20:30:31 there may be something Apr 03 20:30:48 can you try copying modules dir to new fs? Apr 03 20:30:53 (ie. to the card) Apr 03 20:31:04 k Apr 03 20:31:14 to /lib/modules Apr 03 20:31:15 etc. Apr 03 20:31:33 that's the only difference i can think of Apr 03 20:31:39 between my os and original one Apr 03 20:31:55 but, heh Apr 03 20:31:56 no Apr 03 20:32:00 it's not that Apr 03 20:32:09 because it's not even mounted at the boot time Apr 03 20:32:52 hi, I' Apr 03 20:33:03 is there any other usable distro for n800? Apr 03 20:33:08 Debian, sorta Apr 03 20:33:13 mamona not really Apr 03 20:33:15 hi, I'm interested in using OpenSSH client on Maemo (Nokia N800) Apr 03 20:33:16 i'm getting tired of hildon Apr 03 20:33:19 PokyLinux definitely not. Apr 03 20:33:25 darx, KDE is an option. Apr 03 20:33:33 but I have no xterm Apr 03 20:33:35 dMaggot: add repository.maemo.org to app list Apr 03 20:33:48 GeneralAntilles: How may I go about installing debian? Has anyone been successful? Apr 03 20:33:49 I can't seem to install osso xterm from that repo Apr 03 20:33:55 dMaggot, xterm is installed by default on OS2008 Apr 03 20:33:58 Have you upgraded? Apr 03 20:34:17 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Apr 03 20:34:32 jobu: so, current state is, you boot choosing mmc12 partition (external, second) -> it loads initfs -> reboots, yes ? Apr 03 20:34:38 ok, I'll try to upgrade Apr 03 20:34:40 thanks! Apr 03 20:34:49 You get a free 70MHz processor upgrade, too. Apr 03 20:35:21 i choose mmc (external) and says boot failed, loading from internal flash and then boots from internal (no rebooting) Apr 03 20:36:01 btw. Apr 03 20:36:11 internal flash is not builtin flash Apr 03 20:36:12 i think Apr 03 20:36:30 Did you set up the config correctly? Apr 03 20:36:34 Did you partition the card correctly? Apr 03 20:36:43 partition fine i believe Apr 03 20:36:44 Did you clone correctly? Apr 03 20:36:56 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 Apr 03 20:37:04 is what i was following Apr 03 20:37:12 Have you seen this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Apr 03 20:38:20 cloning portion used KotCzarny's script which he tested on himself and says is fine which i ran and had no errors Apr 03 20:38:32 <|zeus|> morning folks Apr 03 20:38:50 <|zeus|> how can i enable TAB key on toolbar for n810? Apr 03 20:39:04 <|zeus|> i see only autocomplete suggestions :( Apr 03 20:39:26 turn off autocomplete then :) Apr 03 20:39:36 <|zeus|> tryed Apr 03 20:39:46 and it still autocompleted? Apr 03 20:39:50 s Apr 03 20:39:52 <|zeus|> i don't see autocomplete Apr 03 20:39:59 <|zeus|> and i don't see Tab key Apr 03 20:40:10 which app Apr 03 20:40:14 Also, has anybody considered filling a bug for a control key and tab key on the N810's keyboard? Apr 03 20:40:14 <|zeus|> only charset notify Apr 03 20:40:16 <|zeus|> pidgin Apr 03 20:40:25 It might be something that they'll consider adding for the N900. Apr 03 20:40:40 hmm, jobu Apr 03 20:41:00 i have chosen wrong partition Apr 03 20:41:06 and it also booted Apr 03 20:41:11 weird Apr 03 20:41:16 lol Apr 03 20:41:22 probably some autodetection Apr 03 20:41:27 booting from base partition still? Apr 03 20:41:32 no Apr 03 20:41:49 when i chosen mmc02 (internal mmc) Apr 03 20:41:55 it booted to mmc12 Apr 03 20:42:04 if i choose mmc12 it boots to mmc12 Apr 03 20:42:15 if i choose internal flash it boots to mtdblock4 Apr 03 20:42:20 (as expected) Apr 03 20:42:38 jobu, try swapping that card to other slot? Apr 03 20:42:39 :) Apr 03 20:42:49 kk Apr 03 20:44:14 still fails: boot from immc2failed, booting from flash Apr 03 20:44:26 take another option? Apr 03 20:44:39 take the card out completely - does the error change in any way Apr 03 20:45:10 huh? Apr 03 20:45:26 take all cards out and choose which? lol Apr 03 20:45:35 does 800 have partitions for: base_OS and internal_data as well as 2 mmc slots? Apr 03 20:45:39 any Apr 03 20:45:50 boot options are internal flash, internal mmc, external mmc Apr 03 20:45:55 and usb Apr 03 20:45:56 lcuk: there's 256mb for initfs/rootfs Apr 03 20:46:42 jobu and both mmc menu options fail? Apr 03 20:47:00 rebooting and about to try selecting empty card Apr 03 20:47:03 er slot Apr 03 20:47:46 still fails booting from flash Apr 03 20:48:00 can you post sfdisk -l to pastebin.com ? Apr 03 20:48:03 is there a boot.conf or soemthing i'm supposed to edit? Apr 03 20:48:19 jobu, if you have fanoush initfs then no Apr 03 20:48:25 hmm Apr 03 20:48:28 or maybe it is Apr 03 20:48:29 Before you flash the initfs. Apr 03 20:48:36 that's what i have changed too Apr 03 20:48:39 let me see Apr 03 20:48:40 If you didn't configure that, it may very well be configured incorrectly. Apr 03 20:50:19 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf Apr 03 20:50:22 that's what i use Apr 03 20:50:45 kk Apr 03 20:54:23 sfdisk posting on pastebin Apr 03 20:54:41 link? Apr 03 20:55:06 http://pastebin.com/m10988211 Apr 03 20:55:26 Hola Apr 03 20:55:30 hmm Apr 03 20:55:38 why do you have 3 partitions? Apr 03 20:55:59 i just noticed that lol Apr 03 20:56:15 not that it matters that much Apr 03 20:56:21 but still weird Apr 03 21:02:12 i got a weird problem... fullscreen and zoom buttons dont work in gnumeric anymore. works in any other app, reboot didnt help. ideas? Apr 03 21:02:48 did they ever work in gnumeric? Apr 03 21:02:55 yes Apr 03 21:02:58 earlier today Apr 03 21:03:02 and did you upgrade? Apr 03 21:03:09 no Apr 03 21:06:09 jobu: can you post you /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf ? Apr 03 21:08:15 don't have one lol Apr 03 21:08:25 only .sh Apr 03 21:08:48 hmm Apr 03 21:09:04 going reinstall inittfs Apr 03 21:09:13 Cptnodegard, maybe something is surviving a reboot - remember the device doesnt switch off fully almost ever - try popping the battery Apr 03 21:09:18 then it's probably using defaults Apr 03 21:09:22 ie. ext2 Apr 03 21:09:37 ya, using your bootmenu.conf and going reinstall it Apr 03 21:09:54 Cptnodegard, or you have changed settings within gnumetric :P Apr 03 21:09:55 btw. while using my script you have changed it to ext2 or not? Apr 03 21:10:13 lcuk gnumetric? Apr 03 21:10:40 gnumeric.. Apr 03 21:10:50 cant find any settings for it Apr 03 21:10:51 right now i am using your script with no changes Apr 03 21:11:06 then it's the reason Apr 03 21:11:12 my igo might have done something... it has a tendency to play with settings when i forget its in sleep mode Apr 03 21:11:15 probably Apr 03 21:11:22 though ext2 should work too Apr 03 21:11:28 since it's compatible with ext3 Apr 03 21:16:21 weird shit... oh well gnumeric is pointless in fullscreen mode anyways Apr 03 21:24:57 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg Apr 03 21:25:56 welp, bootmenu.conf makes no diff Apr 03 21:26:13 going repartition it and remove that 3rd to see if that makes any change Apr 03 21:26:22 yes Apr 03 21:27:15 mysql is available for maemo. i don't need this, i just need a client access library to allow me to contact the sql database i have on this machine. any ideas how i would do it (im coding in c and google foo isnt coming up with anything for maemo) Apr 03 21:27:42 sqlite3 ? Apr 03 21:27:52 or you need mysql ? Apr 03 21:28:03 ok....so zoom/fullscreen buttons on gnumeric only works with a bt keyboard connected. thats sane.... Apr 03 21:28:08 that is a file based local access library - i wanna go over the network and talk to mysql or sqlserver or something Apr 03 21:28:09 -____- Apr 03 21:28:37 lcuk: maemo mapper and friends all are using sqlite3 Apr 03 21:28:43 lcuk: just use the mysql client libraries then.. nothing maemo specific in that Apr 03 21:28:55 hrm, do i need to set my sd card as active? Apr 03 21:29:01 jobu: nope Apr 03 21:29:10 lcuk: the mythtv craps for maemo use the mysql client libraries, you might look there Apr 03 21:29:19 but do i need to build them myself or is there a magic repo somewhere - ie am i going blind and no1 has connected to a network db before Apr 03 21:29:49 ahhh ta elb, i'll have a shufty Apr 03 21:32:17 [ 0.453125] omapfb: Pixclock 21940 kHz hfreq 24.9 kHz vfreq 51.0 Hz Apr 03 21:33:41 * lcuk hasnt looked at omapfb since getting xv working Apr 03 21:34:05 but if i think right, screen is refreshed at 51hz Apr 03 21:34:21 unless later xserver changes it Apr 03 21:35:12 it does change depending upon resolution Apr 03 21:35:50 ahum Apr 03 21:35:53 hi guys Apr 03 21:35:58 hi Apr 03 21:37:01 i've got a 770, and i'm trying to install os on rsmmc Apr 03 21:37:24 i've followed wiki's instructions Apr 03 21:37:45 i'm ready to blow mine up heh Apr 03 21:37:59 but when it boots on mmc, i've no gui Apr 03 21:38:02 wicked, put it on youtube Apr 03 21:38:29 please someone help me Apr 03 21:38:55 pparker, i dont have a 770 nor have i copied to mmc Apr 03 21:39:26 what's the option to delete partition in sfdisk? >.<; Apr 03 21:39:31 d ? Apr 03 21:39:32 :) Apr 03 21:39:35 pparker, did you clone correctly? Apr 03 21:39:40 ah, sfdisk Apr 03 21:39:41 :) Apr 03 21:40:26 GeneralAntilles: i followed instructions carefully and it took 5 hours to copy everything on mmc Apr 03 21:40:30 jobu, now that's a tricky question :) Apr 03 21:40:37 5h? Apr 03 21:40:39 O.o Apr 03 21:40:40 5 hours?! Apr 03 21:40:47 mine copied in 4minutes Apr 03 21:40:47 It should be 20 minutes at most. <_< Apr 03 21:40:54 and it was ~360mb of data Apr 03 21:41:02 though i have n800 Apr 03 21:41:25 now it boot, but stucks on a white screen, no gui, only power button brings a dialog Apr 03 21:41:41 probably bad cloning Apr 03 21:41:53 <||cw> man sfdisk Apr 03 21:41:57 can't think of anything else Apr 03 21:42:06 if hit enter on empty input for entry it still puts in: /dev/mmcblk1p3: 0+ 0 1- 31+ 83 Linux Apr 03 21:42:24 jobu, connect via usb Apr 03 21:42:29 then run cfdisk on pc Apr 03 21:42:35 on /dev/sda or something Apr 03 21:42:39 :) Apr 03 21:43:21 That's normal, jobu. Apr 03 21:43:25 GeneralAntilles: are you sure it take only 20 minutes with a 770 ? Apr 03 21:43:34 It takes about 10 with an N800. Apr 03 21:44:23 ok mypaint is ffuuuunnnnnn Apr 03 21:44:39 when i wrote this "./targnu cf - -C /floppy . | ./targnu xvf - -C /opt " Apr 03 21:44:48 it takes long time Apr 03 21:45:23 but i saw no errors at all Apr 03 21:46:43 so when i boot on mmc, i got a progress bar, logo, and white screen Apr 03 21:47:17 and nothing happears Apr 03 21:47:29 progress bar and logo is initfs work Apr 03 21:47:32 Something went wrong with the cloning Apr 03 21:47:41 Either something's not starting or it's starting and crashing. Apr 03 21:48:12 what to do now ? Apr 03 21:48:17 try again? Apr 03 21:48:18 :) Apr 03 21:48:23 find another howto? Apr 03 21:48:36 Try cloning again, I suppose. Apr 03 21:49:08 luckily /me cloned and booted from mmc on the first try Apr 03 21:49:09 :) Apr 03 21:49:50 ya lucky you XD Apr 03 21:50:05 i think i spent almost whole day messing with this thing Apr 03 21:50:23 something basic is what we miss in your case Apr 03 21:50:31 do you have another card? Apr 03 21:50:31 jobu, have you, perhaps, confused mmcblk0/1 and mmc1/2 Apr 03 21:50:32 :) Apr 03 21:50:34 * Mousey ships his tablet to palco Apr 03 21:50:35 ? Apr 03 21:50:40 no >.< Apr 03 21:50:49 i got those down pretty well now heh Apr 03 21:51:01 Have you considered that the card may be bad? Apr 03 21:51:15 i have, badblocked it no errors Apr 03 21:51:24 still tempted to go out and get another card >.< Apr 03 21:51:39 You've got an N800, why do you only have one card, anyway? Apr 03 21:51:40 jobu: hum, don't you have original one? Apr 03 21:51:44 that came with a card? Apr 03 21:51:50 erm. with device Apr 03 21:51:56 i have 2 Apr 03 21:52:00 a 4gb and a 128mb Apr 03 21:52:19 128mb would work only if you have very few apps installed Apr 03 21:52:31 jffs is compressed Apr 03 21:52:47 for me it was 200mb -> 360mb Apr 03 21:55:15 welp, last try for now, got partitions looking proper and cloning again lol Apr 03 21:55:38 :) Apr 03 21:58:41 * jobu smash!!!! Apr 03 21:58:48 works? Apr 03 21:58:53 nope Apr 03 21:58:55 hum Apr 03 21:59:14 and source os is freshly flashed one, yes? Apr 03 21:59:30 oops forgot to format dos partition, would that matter? Apr 03 21:59:38 not that much Apr 03 21:59:58 it's liek booting with unformatted card Apr 03 21:59:59 ya, i flashed several times today Apr 03 22:00:20 Pastebin the bootmenu.conf? Apr 03 22:00:23 i think i saw something about some korean made ones having issues of some sort Apr 03 22:00:32 i used the one KotCzarny posted Apr 03 22:01:02 jobu, link? Apr 03 22:01:04 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf Apr 03 22:01:14 er that's yours, lemem see if i can find it again Apr 03 22:02:01 GeneralAntilles: i restarted cloning Apr 03 22:02:20 Are you actually using ext3? Apr 03 22:02:59 i formatted using gparted and i choose ext2 Apr 03 22:03:22 I'm sorry, I meant jobu. Apr 03 22:03:30 nvm it isn't related http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4016 Apr 03 22:03:38 currently yes Apr 03 22:03:42 i've tried with ext2 Apr 03 22:05:06 i buyed a fres new 2 gb mmc Apr 03 22:05:27 'bought' Apr 03 22:06:27 i'm watching cloning, it seems fast this time Apr 03 22:06:39 :) Apr 03 22:08:34 thx for all the help KotCzarny, i think i'm going to go get another sd card and try again later XD Apr 03 22:08:41 uhum Apr 03 22:08:54 though my bet is you will get same results Apr 03 22:09:01 same >.< Apr 03 22:09:02 unless i miss something Apr 03 22:09:04 :/ Apr 03 22:09:34 can you pastebin new sfdisk -l ? Apr 03 22:09:45 i might try flashing with the first os2008 release Apr 03 22:09:48 k Apr 03 22:10:01 no, regression would be bad Apr 03 22:10:14 and it works for people with newest fw Apr 03 22:10:20 so it's something else Apr 03 22:10:21 hum Apr 03 22:11:46 * koyote glues backing on a bow Apr 03 22:11:47 http://pastebin.com/m6a7b195d Apr 03 22:12:05 humm Apr 03 22:13:37 now the only thing that i can think of is something in rootfs Apr 03 22:14:43 you can try editing that ext3 partition boot scripts to do some debug Apr 03 22:14:49 to see where exactly it fails Apr 03 22:15:22 <|zeus|> can i have battery status in % instead of 'time left'? Apr 03 22:15:28 jobu, the OS2008 version wont change anything. Apr 03 22:15:29 ie. iserting: echo "rc2/startup 1" >> /log Apr 03 22:15:37 |zeus|, either nitiapps.com Apr 03 22:15:42 or write your own statusbar applet. Apr 03 22:15:47 one can hope! lol Apr 03 22:15:54 inserting Apr 03 22:15:57 :) Apr 03 22:16:19 then later examining that log :) Apr 03 22:16:33 <|zeus|> GeneralAntilles: there is no domain like nintiapps.com Apr 03 22:16:45 s/nitiapps.com/nitapps.com Apr 03 22:17:42 <|zeus|> thanke Apr 03 22:18:24 ok, thx for the helps, i'm going to take a break for the night. tired of staring at the tiny screen Apr 03 22:18:29 :) Apr 03 22:18:39 good luck tomorrow :) Apr 03 22:18:52 thx Apr 03 22:22:04 "Yeah, guess what? I rebooted my Netgear router and that seems to stop N800 from rebooting. The sticker on the router says Made in China" Apr 03 22:22:05 lol Apr 03 22:22:08 (from itt) Apr 03 22:24:41 there was a netgear bug that did that to some devices Apr 03 22:24:49 needed flashing afaik Apr 03 22:25:10 wouldn't wifi driver need replacing too? Apr 03 22:25:23 sounds like an easy dos :) Apr 03 22:30:55 blargh. i finally get a tesseract under 19.5 kB and i can't use it as an avatar http://pupnik.de/tesseract-hil064f.gif Apr 03 22:31:11 Haha Apr 03 22:31:30 put into your signature? Apr 03 22:31:31 ;) Apr 03 22:31:40 *it Apr 03 22:31:53 i agree with ITT though, animated gifs are a bit too annoying as a rule Apr 03 22:31:58 true Apr 03 22:32:37 I hate 'em. Apr 03 22:32:51 and I hate the spam that most webforums seem to be composed of. Apr 03 22:32:56 but anywhoo. if you like tesseracts, that one is 20 times smaller than the source ( 513584 bytes ) Apr 03 22:33:07 :) Apr 03 22:33:13 Giant seizure inducing avatars, 1000px wide and 500px tall signatures Apr 03 22:33:20 and 12 characters of post text. Apr 03 22:33:29 i like my kittie Apr 03 22:52:14 yaarrrrr mtpaint is SO FUN Apr 03 22:53:33 :> Apr 03 22:53:40 back to toddler days? Apr 03 22:54:01 * KotCzarny likes blocks Apr 03 22:54:07 it's really well done Apr 03 22:54:07 tetris, mahjonng etc Apr 03 22:54:13 starting to learn to use it Apr 03 23:04:42 http://www.moblin.org/ :) Apr 03 23:05:07 moblin is the linux distro for intel atom Apr 03 23:05:20 nice Apr 03 23:05:22 It's largely ITOS based. Apr 03 23:06:35 that video looks gay.. a little. Apr 03 23:08:01 but i probably look worse Apr 03 23:08:02 :) Apr 03 23:08:07 im wondering why finland has so many OSS proponents? Apr 03 23:08:23 because it's in europe? Apr 03 23:08:41 im thinking there is something in the water Apr 03 23:09:24 if this moblin is a full stack and it operates nicely, what would be the hassle in using it on NIT? Apr 03 23:10:18 probably not Apr 03 23:10:36 only drivers for wifi/sound/power Apr 03 23:10:50 but we could use those from maemo? Apr 03 23:11:05 carry the blobs - im thinking this because looking over it its very touch friendly Apr 03 23:11:10 maybe Apr 03 23:11:14 http://www.moblin.org/projects/projects_media.php Apr 03 23:11:28 lcuk, their UI is accelerated, I believe. Apr 03 23:11:35 Plus the whole x86 thing. Apr 03 23:11:48 ? most code is c Apr 03 23:12:30 Probably little for most of the applications Apr 03 23:12:33 I'm just sayin'. :P Apr 03 23:12:34 you are prob right GeneralAntilles though Apr 03 23:13:13 if you only need general buttons layout.. Apr 03 23:13:14 :) Apr 03 23:13:21 pygtk is quite simple Apr 03 23:14:35 you could use anything to do that layout, and you are right KotCzarny, it wouldnt be difficult and would benefit us to be aiming for a touch interface over a stylus halfbreed Apr 03 23:58:58 hmm Apr 03 23:59:12 anyone else noticed left top part of the screen is a little 'loose' ? Apr 03 23:59:18 while tapping Apr 03 23:59:32 preferably with a finger nail to feel it Apr 04 00:37:23 fargh no! no! don't crash! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Apr 04 00:37:38 shit! Apr 04 00:37:47 mrm? Apr 04 00:37:56 ? Apr 04 00:37:58 was just in a drawing trance for an hour Apr 04 00:38:01 and forgot to save Apr 04 00:38:04 Heh Apr 04 00:38:05 .. Apr 04 00:38:06 and then crashed mypaint Apr 04 00:38:21 file for autosave Apr 04 00:38:40 i can fix the xrash Apr 04 00:38:55 though losing one hour of work is a sad thing Apr 04 00:40:10 http://www.scottweisbrod.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/MarissaMayer_2796.jpg was sketching her Apr 04 00:40:25 hum Apr 04 00:40:30 specific Apr 04 00:40:34 not my type :) Apr 04 00:41:04 is she legal age? Apr 04 00:41:13 she's like vice president of google dude Apr 04 00:41:18 oh.. Apr 04 00:41:19 marissa mayer Apr 04 00:41:25 but still, is she legal age ;) Apr 04 00:41:47 from that pic she looks like 13 Apr 04 00:42:12 http://www.pascalrossini.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/mayerMarissa_5102.jpg Apr 04 00:42:16 there's another Apr 04 00:42:30 now, this is more adultish Apr 04 00:42:30 dunno, 30ish Apr 04 00:43:03 but on the first pic she looked like a teen Apr 04 00:43:31 "I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility," - marissa Apr 04 00:43:40 ;) Apr 04 00:43:49 i prefer mutt Apr 04 00:44:09 I like mutt better than pine Apr 04 00:45:24 c Apr 04 00:45:49 although i think pine finally got open sourcd a couple years ago, iirc Apr 04 00:47:00 Pine used a BSD-like license up 'till 3.9 or so Apr 04 00:47:15 pine had some security related problems Apr 04 00:49:41 pine had some not-mutt issues Apr 04 00:49:47 pine used to not be BSD thats for sure Apr 04 00:50:08 rektide, no, it was a BSD-like license. Apr 04 01:00:59 http://itsericbetch.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/uglygirl.jpg more fun things to draw... this woman for e.g. Apr 04 01:01:08 http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/paws/archives/ugliest-dog-3.jpg related to this dog? Apr 04 01:01:25 She steal Michael Jackson's nose? Apr 04 01:01:49 may share same illness Apr 04 01:02:40 http://media.ebaumsworld.com/2007/09/20UgliestCelebrities001.jpg michael jackson Apr 04 01:03:00 nono! the goglgeS! Apr 04 01:03:03 argh. Apr 04 01:03:19 whyohwhy have you done this to me? Apr 04 01:08:30 hehe Apr 04 01:08:49 vista home costs 240$ ? Apr 04 01:08:50 O.o Apr 04 01:09:04 240 for taking away own right to use computer? Apr 04 01:09:06 o.O Apr 04 01:10:06 you can buy the upgrade for $85 Apr 04 01:10:10 $75 sometimes Apr 04 01:10:15 and it does not require anything to install Apr 04 01:10:20 still, it's not my point Apr 04 01:11:58 do i have to disable wd for switching matchbox/hildon to fluxbox/kde ? Apr 04 01:12:00 to me its the price to play video games. :/ Apr 04 01:47:57 holy buckets. the Aye-aye may be the strangest animal i've ever seen Apr 04 01:48:49 deepsea horrors are stranger Apr 04 01:53:29 What do you all recomend for a cpu / mem monitor on the nokia n810? Apr 04 01:53:50 osso-statusbar-cpu Apr 04 01:54:59 Danke Apr 04 02:14:00 KotCzarny: more things to draw with mypaint http://divaboo.info/ 25 Worlds Weirdest Animals Apr 04 02:14:50 heh.. you're into weird ? Apr 04 02:16:04 I don't like where this conversation is going Apr 04 02:22:31 those are some seriously strange animals Apr 04 02:23:01 :) Apr 04 02:24:04 http://divaboo.info/img/Komondor_Dog.jpg Apr 04 02:24:09 better known as 'mop' Apr 04 02:24:20 auto-mop Apr 04 02:24:23 that is Apr 04 02:25:29 and firefox is really redpanda Apr 04 02:25:31 :) Apr 04 02:32:53 grmbl Apr 04 02:37:13 crashed again? Apr 04 02:48:48 hey Apr 04 02:49:14 I am a serious geek and moderately advanced linux user who is considering buying the n800 Apr 04 02:49:24 what for? Apr 04 02:49:29 PDA like functions Apr 04 02:49:31 mobile computing Apr 04 02:49:52 I am especially interested in it because there is a 3rd party port of VPNC and a GUI for it Apr 04 02:50:01 so that I can connect to my school's cisco vpn Apr 04 02:50:16 I wouldn't recommend it for PIM usage. Apr 04 02:50:23 really? Apr 04 02:50:28 I thought pidgin was available for it Apr 04 02:50:34 The available suites are pretty good (Pimlico and GPE), and I find them plenty usable Apr 04 02:50:41 but a lot of Palm users seem to think they suck Apr 04 02:50:47 lol Apr 04 02:50:52 my smartphone is a palm Apr 04 02:50:59 a fairly old one Apr 04 02:51:04 but I have never used my palm for PIM Apr 04 02:51:15 then you will like n8x0 Apr 04 02:51:16 But it's unmatched as a mobile Linux machine Apr 04 02:51:17 :) Apr 04 02:51:24 yeah Apr 04 02:51:28 and a fantastic mobile browser. Apr 04 02:51:32 how does package installation go? Apr 04 02:51:34 yeah Apr 04 02:51:37 Debian Apr 04 02:51:38 apt Apr 04 02:51:40 I heard that it uses the gecko engine Apr 04 02:51:43 and it has the flash plugin Apr 04 02:51:46 MicroB Apr 04 02:51:48 what other plugins does it have? Apr 04 02:51:48 Flash 9 Apr 04 02:52:02 A variety of ported Firefox plugins Apr 04 02:52:14 so you just double click (or equivalently select) a .deb and it installs? Apr 04 02:52:16 http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 04 02:52:21 do you enter a root password? Apr 04 02:52:34 Not with the GUI package manager. Apr 04 02:52:39 "Application manager" Apr 04 02:52:45 nope Apr 04 02:52:47 It's got a repository system Apr 04 02:52:51 default user is sudoed Apr 04 02:52:53 you can add repos easily, right? Apr 04 02:52:57 gotcha Apr 04 02:53:01 So you add repositories (http://www.gronmayer.com/it) and install from there. Apr 04 02:53:04 i mean can install/remove packages Apr 04 02:53:18 and do some other tasks Apr 04 02:53:25 how does it handle PDFs from the web? Apr 04 02:53:28 videos on the web? Apr 04 02:53:45 as good as 400mhz cpu can do Apr 04 02:53:46 ;) Apr 04 02:53:50 Videos on the web are hit and miss. Apr 04 02:53:56 YouTube is good Apr 04 02:54:02 but generally 400x240 is good Apr 04 02:54:06 yeah, youtube sounds great Apr 04 02:54:11 Other stuff sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Apr 04 02:54:11 what about java? Apr 04 02:54:18 No Java yet Apr 04 02:54:31 oh well Apr 04 02:54:42 but there's always vnc Apr 04 02:54:43 ;) Apr 04 02:54:43 hopefully with java ME being open sourced it will happen soon Apr 04 02:54:46 https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page Apr 04 02:54:47 yeah Apr 04 02:54:49 Is "in progress" Apr 04 02:54:53 how is rdesktop and vnc? Apr 04 02:55:03 Both work fine. Apr 04 02:55:13 cool Apr 04 02:55:14 yeah Apr 04 02:55:24 Personally, I find the screen a little cramped since most of the computers I'd VNC into are 1680x1050 + Apr 04 02:55:31 But that's what ssh is for. ;) Apr 04 02:55:32 I was thrilled to hear that they have a 800x480 screen Apr 04 02:55:42 The screen is really fantastic. Apr 04 02:55:42 should make desktop remote desktop usable Apr 04 02:55:56 cool Apr 04 02:56:03 btw. you should consider if you want more flash memory (n800) or kb+gps+looks (n810) Apr 04 02:56:06 Have you stumbled on http://www.internettablettalk.com yet? Apr 04 02:56:23 I saw you on one of the forums Apr 04 02:56:26 yeah, that one Apr 04 02:56:33 by flash memory i mean 2 available full size sd slots Apr 04 02:56:53 (on n800) Apr 04 02:57:00 yeah, I read about that Apr 04 02:57:07 two full size SD slots is appealing Apr 04 02:57:09 oh Apr 04 02:57:15 how does storage space work for apps and data? Apr 04 02:57:23 I am sure the 256MB flash memory gets filled up quickly Apr 04 02:57:30 can you install apps and docs to SD cards? Apr 04 02:57:36 You can boot from one of the cards Apr 04 02:57:42 if you format it with ext2/3 Apr 04 02:57:46 then apps are ok Apr 04 02:57:46 cool Apr 04 02:57:47 :) Apr 04 02:57:53 well Apr 04 02:57:55 I've got an 8GB card on the internal booting an OS2008 backup and Debian right now. Apr 04 02:58:01 without putting my entire OS on the SD card Apr 04 02:58:10 why not? Apr 04 02:58:17 You can extend the rootfs onto the card for more storage. Apr 04 02:58:18 treat internal flash as a backup Apr 04 02:58:23 But it's not an entirely simple operation Apr 04 02:58:27 unionFS? Apr 04 02:58:28 Better off just booting from the card Apr 04 02:58:30 and sd as 'i can wear it out and not cry about it' Apr 04 02:58:30 :) Apr 04 02:58:38 Less part to break that way, anyway. Apr 04 02:58:41 yeah Apr 04 02:58:48 I will probably just do that Apr 04 02:59:11 if you like tinkering with linux you will love it Apr 04 02:59:12 is there any sort of snycing system? Apr 04 02:59:16 other than web services for that Apr 04 02:59:24 yeah, I do like tinkering with linux definitely Apr 04 02:59:25 Evolution is sorta an option with 3rd party stuff Apr 04 02:59:28 but not really. Apr 04 02:59:36 ok Apr 04 02:59:37 or rsync. ;) Apr 04 02:59:46 not file snycing Apr 04 02:59:54 I mean contacts, schedule **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 04 02:59:56 2008