**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 05 02:59:57 2008 Apr 05 03:06:08 hey, I got a question Apr 05 03:06:16 I see that nokia released new flash images fairly often Apr 05 03:06:48 will nokia automatically updated ITOS2008 on the device directly? Apr 05 03:06:53 using deb repos or whatever Apr 05 03:08:06 hey, where are some codec repositories? I installed one for ogg, but was looking for others Apr 05 03:08:18 install mplayer Apr 05 03:08:29 I did, but it won't play anything :( Apr 05 03:09:20 I tried it on it's own, and also tried it using several other apps like kagu, and ukmp, and it won't even play Apr 05 03:09:51 'it' Apr 05 03:10:07 mplayer won't play windows executeables Apr 05 03:10:09 for one Apr 05 03:10:15 it also won't play SQL databases Apr 05 03:10:26 ok, lets start with mp3s Apr 05 03:10:32 plays fine Apr 05 03:10:34 I can't get mplayer to play those Apr 05 03:10:41 hmm Apr 05 03:10:47 from the gui frontend? Apr 05 03:11:01 or cmd line Apr 05 03:13:04 ok Apr 05 03:13:07 I have a newb question Apr 05 03:13:10 what is red pill mode? Apr 05 03:15:01 it's like running your device as 'root' or 'administrator' Apr 05 03:15:26 ok Apr 05 03:15:40 and what's the difference between running root and it? Apr 05 03:15:45 is it for graphical apps or something? Apr 05 03:15:56 i suppose more access... Apr 05 03:15:59 ok Apr 05 03:16:26 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/ for more details. Apr 05 03:34:02 hmm Apr 05 03:34:06 what repo has wget? Apr 05 03:45:49 KotBialy dunno. Apr 05 04:17:13 woot! I got my n800 to display chinese characters now :D Apr 05 04:17:18 * WormFood dances like snoopy Apr 05 04:17:57 it only took me an hour to figure out how to configure my web pages to tell the browser to display chinese characters (because I was doing other things at the same time) Apr 05 04:19:16 can anyone tell me what the dictionaries at http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/downloads_os2008.html are for exactly? At first I was thinking they are for stardict, but now I'm not sure Apr 05 04:30:50 <__Handful_of_not> WormFood: aren't they for the mozilla based browser ? (spell check) ? Apr 05 04:31:56 I'm not sure Apr 05 04:32:30 but if that is what they are for, then I don't need/want them... Apr 05 04:32:31 <__Handful_of_not> yes they are ( Browser-extras) means extension to the Browser Apr 05 04:32:36 <__Handful_of_not> ;:) Apr 05 04:32:36 <__Handful_of_not> ok Apr 05 04:33:02 hi, good mornig Apr 05 04:33:08 good night Apr 05 04:33:09 lol Apr 05 04:33:12 where are you from Apr 05 04:33:18 europe i take it Apr 05 04:37:20 it is middle of the day here Apr 05 04:37:27 12:37 Apr 05 04:37:36 afternoon! Apr 05 04:44:08 hi wormFood Apr 05 04:44:13 where are u located? Apr 05 04:44:47 directly above the center of the earth ;) Apr 05 04:44:50 hehehe Apr 05 04:44:53 I'm in china Apr 05 04:44:55 oh, no :P Apr 05 04:46:41 http://www.calio.it/files/maemo-googlegears-webaddon_0.2.9.0-0_armel.zip Apr 05 04:46:47 anyone play with this? Apr 05 04:46:57 not I fysa Apr 05 04:47:14 oh, I was going to but I got sidetracked. I'll probably test it in a bit Apr 05 04:47:22 i played on my laptop Apr 05 04:47:34 but see no much diff Apr 05 04:47:53 i dont know how google doc utilize this gear Apr 05 04:48:44 WormFood: im from china 2 Apr 05 04:49:01 really? where are you now? Apr 05 04:49:20 NanJing, and i had ping you in separate window Apr 05 04:49:21 I'm not from china, I'm from 美国 ;) Apr 05 04:49:32 can you see it? Apr 05 04:50:17 I'm too lazy to plugin your IP into a location lookup Apr 05 04:50:30 I'm guessing in or near 北京 Apr 05 04:50:38 am I right? Apr 05 04:51:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/01/hava-player-first-look-tv-on-your-nokia-internet-tablet/ Apr 05 04:51:06 TV TUBNER! Apr 05 04:51:10 TUNER! Apr 05 04:51:28 oh, hehe, i am near 南京 Apr 05 04:51:35 i am in 南京,hehe Apr 05 04:51:40 I see Apr 05 04:51:40 you are in 深圳 Apr 05 04:51:48 indeed, you are correct Apr 05 04:52:09 but I don't know 南京 Apr 05 04:52:29 I know 东京,and 北京 Apr 05 04:52:37 haha Apr 05 04:52:58 I think I know where 南京 is Apr 05 04:52:58 南京=capital of China before 1949 Apr 05 04:53:02 oh Apr 05 04:53:06 I know that too Apr 05 04:53:19 and, there is also a 东京 in china, but not Tokyo Apr 05 04:53:21 that is what I was thinking of before you said it Apr 05 04:53:27 its name is 开封, do you know :P Apr 05 04:53:35 really? no, I don't know that name Apr 05 04:53:40 O.o Apr 05 04:53:48 I can read more chinese than I can speak, but I still know very little Apr 05 04:54:10 I was looking into getting a job in 南京 Apr 05 04:54:47 开封 = China's 东京, in about 1000 hundred year ago Apr 05 04:55:21 also, there is a 西京, 西京 = 西安(XiAn),u must know it :P Apr 05 04:55:27 xi'an? Apr 05 04:55:30 no Apr 05 04:55:33 that is older Apr 05 04:55:36 its the older capital than KaiFeng Apr 05 04:55:40 :) Apr 05 04:55:52 you know many :) Apr 05 04:55:58 I know more than many people Apr 05 04:56:10 I think I know more chinese history than many of my chinese friends Apr 05 04:56:19 but I do not really know that much Apr 05 04:56:21 oh, maybe more than me Apr 05 04:56:26 :P Apr 05 04:56:34 maybe I know some things you don't know, but I doubt it Apr 05 04:56:47 what i want to say is that... Apr 05 04:56:55 I think the warring states period has some very interesting stories Apr 05 04:57:00 i want to get an N810, but the chinese customs won't let me have one Apr 05 04:57:19 really? Apr 05 04:57:29 want to buy my N800? ;) Apr 05 04:57:39 nokia sends me one as gift, but it was blocked at customs :( Apr 05 04:57:52 as a gift? how did you manage that? Apr 05 04:58:01 i have to give costumes a statement that i cannot get that, let DHL delivery it back to Finland Apr 05 04:58:05 how do I get them to send me a gift? a working n800 would be nice Apr 05 04:58:18 WormFood, can we talk in private window? Apr 05 04:58:29 of course Apr 05 04:58:33 i had sent you some message but no rely Apr 05 04:58:33 feel free to /msg me Apr 05 04:58:44 is your nick registered? Apr 05 04:58:56 oh now Apr 05 04:58:58 oh no Apr 05 04:59:04 I think that is why Apr 05 04:59:24 kcome are u from china? Apr 05 04:59:55 Italodance: yes :) Apr 05 05:00:29 kcome is there available nokia n8X0? Apr 05 05:01:03 i heard we can insert sim cart to chinese versions Apr 05 05:01:17 no, there is no N810 in whole ASIA Apr 05 05:01:27 even Singapore, HongKong, Japan Apr 05 05:01:37 italodance: it's not a nokia's product Apr 05 05:01:39 kcome what about n800? Apr 05 05:01:46 some kind of bootlegged design Apr 05 05:01:47 there is N810 only in Europe and US Apr 05 05:01:57 neither Apr 05 05:02:17 kcome i bought my n800 in dubai/UAE 3 weeks ago Apr 05 05:02:19 :D Apr 05 05:02:37 kcome u better go there and buy it! Apr 05 05:03:04 haha, i hope i could get one Apr 05 05:03:39 kcome yes i bought mine about 1800 dhs Apr 05 05:03:49 well i am asian too Apr 05 05:04:46 i think my meaning is EMEA Apr 05 05:04:49 not EMEA Apr 05 05:04:52 i mean APAC Apr 05 05:07:16 kcome internet tablet is only available in USA and 14 european countries (hehe not all europe) Apr 05 05:07:30 Google Reader interface in Canola2 would be nice. Apr 05 05:08:00 hmm. Apr 05 05:10:28 that's, right Apr 05 05:10:42 but i heard that Nokia Research Center in china is doing some localization Apr 05 05:10:54 almost 6 months ago i got this news Apr 05 05:11:34 umm Apr 05 05:11:44 its availale in Canada as well :p Apr 05 05:12:18 DHS? Apr 05 05:12:58 a shipping company AFAIK Apr 05 05:13:18 yeah Apr 05 05:13:29 but its also the currency for UAE Apr 05 05:13:40 dirhams methinks Apr 05 05:13:46 1300 dirhams it cost him Apr 05 05:14:13 roughly $360cdn Apr 05 05:43:04 Hello X-Fade Apr 05 06:30:46 Hi, I'm trying to develop a program using the gps functionality but when I try to compile the program I get this error: "In function `main':gpsTest.cpp:(.text+0x210): undefined reference to `location_gps_device_get_type()'" Apr 05 06:31:10 probably you need to link some lib Apr 05 06:31:37 has anyone seen this before? It seems to be a problem with the linker, my program is extremely simple, basically just using the code snippets from here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#UsingLocation Apr 05 06:32:16 yeah, that's what I thought, but I can't figure out what to add.... I'm compiling it like this: g++ -o gpsTest ./gpsTest.cpp `pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation gpsbt gpsmgr osso-gpsd` Apr 05 06:32:17 try adding -llocation Apr 05 06:32:22 to the linker Apr 05 06:33:30 btw. do you have liblocation-dev installed? Apr 05 06:33:39 or liblocation itself Apr 05 06:33:42 nah, no change... Apr 05 06:33:50 what happens after: pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation Apr 05 06:34:05 and yeah, I do, I installed all of liblocation gpsbt, and gpsmgr Apr 05 06:34:33 -DMAEMO_CHANGES -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-1 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -llocation -lhildon-1 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 Apr 05 06:34:50 hum Apr 05 06:35:10 maybe libs mismatch Apr 05 06:35:17 ie. is this howto current? Apr 05 06:35:32 or are your os current? Apr 05 06:35:58 hm, maybe... I'm pretty sure my os is the most current one and the how-to is the most current one though... Apr 05 06:36:03 how do I check my os? Apr 05 06:36:16 do we need to get any GPS service subscription to use it on the N810? Apr 05 06:36:29 no, you should just be able to use it Apr 05 06:36:57 your os should be in the prompt Apr 05 06:37:02 in the hostname Apr 05 06:37:11 Netochka, sorry, how does that benefit the people deploying the satellites? Apr 05 06:37:39 like sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL? Apr 05 06:37:40 but i assume it's current. Apr 05 06:37:43 hmm Apr 05 06:37:58 yes, chinook is maemo 4.x Apr 05 06:38:01 current Apr 05 06:38:03 humhum Apr 05 06:38:41 you can try looking for this symbol manually Apr 05 06:39:02 really? how? Apr 05 06:39:14 btw. where did you get 'location_gps_device_get_type' from ? Apr 05 06:39:21 i can't find it on that page Apr 05 06:39:32 I don't actually use it in my code, that's the thing that I don't understand... Apr 05 06:39:45 This is my code: Apr 05 06:39:46 #include #include static void location_changed (LocationGPSDevice *device, gpointer userdata) { g_print ("Latitude: %.2f\nLongitude: %.2f\nAltitude: %.2f\n", device->fix->latitude, device->fix->longitude, device->fix->altitude); } int main(int argc, char** argv) { LocationGPSDevice *device; device = (LocationGPSDevice*) g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL); Apr 05 06:40:16 that was horrible... but hopefully you get the idea... it's just copied and pasted verbatim from that page... Apr 05 06:40:19 google don't know about it Apr 05 06:42:55 yeah, I know, and I don't know where it's coming from and I can't find an api reference for liblocation, only gpsbt and gpsmgr Apr 05 06:43:11 try commenting out everything Apr 05 06:43:17 and then enabling line by line Apr 05 06:43:18 :) Apr 05 06:44:31 mm yeah, hadn't tried that yet Apr 05 06:46:20 I guess it's this line that's causing the problem: device = (LocationGPSDevice*) g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL); Apr 05 06:47:01 And yeah, I forgot, I had added that (LocationGPSDevice*) to get it to compile, because otherwise it complained about changing a void* to a LocationGPSDevice* Apr 05 06:49:53 btw. you have omitted device declaration Apr 05 06:50:00 LocationGPSDevice *device; Apr 05 06:53:18 oh no, I just do it the line before Apr 05 06:53:41 ah, i see Apr 05 06:53:59 btw. how did you install liblocation? Apr 05 06:54:08 i can't find it in my repositories Apr 05 06:57:11 nvm. found it Apr 05 06:59:44 well, I found another example using the gps here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/example_gps.c Apr 05 06:59:47 so I'm going to try that one instead Apr 05 07:00:02 :) Apr 05 07:00:15 thanks for your help though Apr 05 07:00:35 if that's of any help i'm getting the same errors Apr 05 07:00:40 from that example Apr 05 07:00:41 :) Apr 05 07:00:53 #define LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE (location_gps_device_get_type ()) Apr 05 07:00:57 that's from headers Apr 05 07:04:35 ah, cool, thanks, that at least explains where it comes from... if not how to fix it... Apr 05 07:26:42 hi Apr 05 07:32:38 morning all Apr 05 08:23:40 hi at all, i have a question that i don't know if is correct on this channel, can anyone said me if will be a new nokia model upgrade on n880 with gsm? thanks in advance Apr 05 08:27:24 no Apr 05 08:27:40 but you can always buy a cheap phone with bluetooth Apr 05 08:28:14 thanks for reply :) Apr 05 08:29:31 and remember it's not a phone Apr 05 08:29:35 it's internet tablet Apr 05 08:29:36 :) Apr 05 08:48:11 hey KotCzarny Apr 05 09:13:22 is there any known issue with instaling of packages? i've tried to install fennec, canola youtube plugin and wesnoth few moments ago and all of them ended with "unable to install" message. I've even tried to switch to red pill mode to see if the output is more verbose but it's all the same. any idea? Apr 05 09:15:20 aquarius-: there is a tools -> log or similar in the package manager , that will give you more acurate into Apr 05 09:15:25 into = info Apr 05 09:15:58 keesj: thanks, I'll have look into it Apr 05 09:17:03 cool, it seems that apt is unable to handle some dependencies but I can try to fix it manually... thanks a lot again Apr 05 09:23:22 i installed http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/browser-extras/pool/chinook/fonts/ttf-arabic_0.1-3_all.deb and reboot my n800 but i doesn't want to be clear why? Apr 05 09:26:25 ?????? Apr 05 09:27:12 it doesn't want to find ......... Apr 05 09:27:15 ??????? Apr 05 09:46:22 Italodance, the fonts dont work in the browser? Apr 05 09:48:36 tank-man i can't find arabic keyboard in my browser or language setting Apr 05 09:49:43 Italodance: ttf means TrueType Fonts. No keyboard there. Apr 05 09:49:46 that package you linked above seems to be just fonts, not any keyboard settings Apr 05 09:51:47 tank-man tell me i need to install arabic keyboard too? Apr 05 09:52:01 i dont know Apr 05 09:52:04 sorry Apr 05 09:52:07 and from here : http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ Apr 05 09:52:13 yes? Apr 05 09:52:46 yes, that looks right Apr 05 09:52:46 aquarius- TrueType Fonts can read arabib subtitles yes? Apr 05 09:55:27 if they have the arabic glyphs Apr 05 09:58:21 arabic glyphs what is it/ Apr 05 09:58:24 ? Apr 05 10:01:05 is anyone here Apr 05 10:01:15 ? Apr 05 10:22:58 wow Apr 05 10:23:01 that was usefull Apr 05 10:57:21 Hi! Apr 05 10:58:44 I dont understand one thing: I compiled a c hello world on maemo4 then I put the binary file on my mmc1 Apr 05 10:59:24 When I try ti execute it ./test I always have this error : Permission denied Apr 05 10:59:54 I try to chmod 777 (as root) test but it dont work Apr 05 11:00:09 do you know why Apr 05 11:00:30 the memory card probably has (v)fat on it, it doesn't support proper flags Apr 05 11:02:27 and quite likely it's mounted with the noexec flag too, so no running binaries from there anyway Apr 05 11:03:20 So how can I do this test? Apr 05 11:03:21 I wonder why ld-linux.so -"trick" won't work Apr 05 11:05:48 drwx: just copy the binary to the home dir of the user Apr 05 11:24:54 ok it works, thank you Apr 05 11:44:27 how i can disable RAM cache? Apr 05 11:44:35 Need more free ram Apr 05 11:46:27 x-demon: why? free ram = unused ram = bad. that's not energy efficient. Apr 05 11:46:42 x-demon: if a program needs to allocate some memory, it will take from the free and cached ram alike. Apr 05 11:46:49 mplayer have lags Apr 05 11:48:17 any way to solve this? Apr 05 11:48:39 Divx, 640x480, approx 20 fps Apr 05 11:48:51 And very big lags on dynamic scenes Apr 05 11:50:39 I fear no. reencode with a fixed bitrate or force a lower peak bitrate. Apr 05 11:51:24 damn... Apr 05 11:51:30 This lag is due to bandwith or processor power, not available ram. But I'm no expert in this, .. Apr 05 11:51:43 maybe KotCzarny or pupnik know more, I think they made plenty of experiments. Apr 05 12:11:26 ph5, are you sure processor is running at full speed all the time Apr 05 12:12:29 actually it doesnt matter i read more of the scrollback Apr 05 14:48:31 hi Apr 05 15:06:07 i need mypaint help Apr 05 15:06:14 ORLY? Apr 05 15:06:20 What do you need help with? Apr 05 15:06:27 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165435&postcount=44 Apr 05 15:06:49 Weird Apr 05 15:06:54 Hrm Apr 05 15:06:57 with the stylus it doesn't seem to want to work Apr 05 15:07:01 That statusbar is annoying Apr 05 15:07:13 but when i use fingers it works on the side thats giving the problems Apr 05 15:07:16 left side Apr 05 15:07:22 press harder? Apr 05 15:07:29 i did Apr 05 15:07:32 * Navi shrugs Apr 05 15:07:41 it only registers when i use my fingers Apr 05 15:07:53 i thought it was only a fullscreen issue... Apr 05 15:07:59 but also happens in window mode Apr 05 15:08:23 i don;t think its the tablet. Apr 05 15:08:43 mtpaint works find and all the other sketch programs i've played with. Apr 05 15:09:49 s/find/fine Apr 05 15:17:43 hmm, where are official maemo mypaintg debs.. Apr 05 15:18:02 seem to find only discussions about it with google Apr 05 15:23:04 http://gudmundson.se/anders_gud/index.php?id=16 Apr 05 15:32:06 maybe it's because of the pressure sensitivity unique311 Apr 05 15:32:22 maybe..... Apr 05 15:32:42 so i think it's a hardware problem only revealed by mypaint Apr 05 15:32:48 i've done work on mypaint before but never notice it... Apr 05 15:33:08 well i never try doing strokes that far left Apr 05 15:34:08 anders says its fixable Apr 05 15:34:36 lets say it is a hardware problem. Apr 05 15:34:53 why would it work when i use my fingers and not the stylus? Apr 05 15:36:07 the only way i could think to test this would be to make a special weight with a stylus-like tip that you place on the screen at various areas and test the pressure reading Apr 05 15:36:12 I did not follow eveything Apr 05 15:37:15 what brush did you use to make that screenshot unique311 ? Apr 05 15:37:21 but the touch is averaged so if a small piece would not be touchable you could "not see" it with the fingers Apr 05 15:37:33 ink Apr 05 15:37:36 I did have the reversed problem at somepoint Apr 05 15:38:07 unique311: just like pupniks game buttons Apr 05 15:38:25 ?? Apr 05 15:38:34 keesj this is about mypaint... Apr 05 15:38:50 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165435&postcount=44 Apr 05 15:38:52 unique311: like I said .... Apr 05 15:39:19 i am getting a lot of line breaks with ink too Apr 05 15:39:34 on a specific side? Apr 05 15:39:45 no Apr 05 15:40:21 keesj, im lost? Apr 05 15:40:27 if i press harder i get no breaks Apr 05 15:40:36 tried pressing harder... Apr 05 15:40:54 it works fine, but just in that little area only. Apr 05 15:41:23 unique311: what happens when you press with two fingers one above and one below the area? Apr 05 15:41:43 I am wondering if anyone has any ideas? I am wanting to get the maemo browser running under KDE. When I start it, it launches a browser window. znd another tiny window which says updating and never goes away. I can bring up the menu in the browser window, but when I the to open local or remote location, it just sits there I can't even get a window to select local or remote location. Apr 05 15:42:08 keesj: line starts from the top finger and ends in the middle of both fingers Apr 05 15:42:23 I am thinking I need a starup script which sources somthing? any ideas anyone?? Apr 05 15:43:06 keesj: fingers are not the problem... Apr 05 15:43:14 fingers touch works fine in the area Apr 05 15:43:28 but the stylus is the problem Apr 05 15:44:11 unique311: I understand, I am just trying to explain why you could be right :) Apr 05 15:44:24 ok Apr 05 15:44:42 on it not being a hardware problem Apr 05 16:12:56 pupnik, I have no line breaks even when drawing a line gently Apr 05 16:13:07 using the 'ink' brush? Apr 05 16:13:10 Yes Apr 05 16:13:19 I used ink to sketch out my picture Apr 05 16:15:30 my build is so much faster Apr 05 16:17:48 I think mypaint is unresponsive for an initial touch because of CPU throttling? Apr 05 16:19:01 no. i'm showing full cpu speed Apr 05 16:19:08 at mypaint idle? Apr 05 16:19:16 no, after a few seconds it drops Apr 05 16:19:25 i hate it when all of a sudden it makes one long stroke going from the previous point (which i left 1 ~ 2 seconds ago) to the current one far far away Apr 05 16:19:30 then the initial touch/first line you draw will have a CPU bump in the middle of it Apr 05 16:19:32 apart from that, neat Apr 05 16:19:45 MangoFusion: yes that's hugely annoying. Only a problem with some brushes Apr 05 16:19:46 it's extremely responsive if you draw circles continuously Apr 05 16:19:50 pupnik, what's faster about it? Apr 05 16:19:56 you mean the hotkeys? Apr 05 16:20:00 but if you pause then draw a curve, it takes a second to appear Apr 05 16:20:10 no, my build is vastly faster in drawing and tracking the stylus Apr 05 16:20:26 zooming and panning as well Apr 05 16:20:27 also comes across as a bit slow and in general has a lot of work to be put into the interface Apr 05 16:20:39 e.g. the color dropper is useless Apr 05 16:20:47 Agreed Apr 05 16:20:49 where is your build, pupnik? Apr 05 16:21:13 on my drive :) Apr 05 16:21:55 lame :P Apr 05 16:22:32 pupnik, diff! diff! Apr 05 16:22:33 diff! Apr 05 16:22:39 it's all in the build process Apr 05 16:22:42 the source is the same Apr 05 16:22:50 oh :P Apr 05 16:23:01 well no, there are changes but those i posted in the thread in the python script Apr 05 16:23:28 panning and tracking isn't bad here :/ Apr 05 16:24:48 i hate youtube Apr 05 16:25:46 when I drawing continuously, 64% of cpu is used by 89258 64.3250 mydrawwidget.so.0.0.0 Apr 05 16:26:00 the problem is that the threshold is 80%? Apr 05 16:26:39 maybe not that. Apr 05 16:27:36 it's much more responsive at 20, but it could be the sampling rate. Apr 05 16:27:46 it feels like it's stuck at low CPU for just a bit too long. Apr 05 16:31:04 what do you think about the mypaint statusbar? Apr 05 16:31:08 i think it's worse than useless Apr 05 16:31:31 can you give a different window title/parent to the three sub-windows? Apr 05 16:31:38 to keep them from grouping? Apr 05 16:31:47 seems to like to hang when moving beyond the current boundry for me Apr 05 16:31:50 the statusar is useless Apr 05 16:32:10 monitor /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq while drawing a circle Apr 05 16:32:40 pupnik, agreed Apr 05 16:32:41 once it drops to 165MHz, you're stuck waiting for it to sample/interrupt before bumping back up Apr 05 16:32:48 which is bad for penciling.. Apr 05 16:32:57 because you're doing one curve/line at a time Apr 05 16:33:12 so the CPU drops back down to 165MHz, you touch and begin to draw, halfway through the curve it jumps back to 400MHz Apr 05 16:33:13 I give it a tap before drawing a line Apr 05 16:33:30 giving you a straight line in that curve Apr 05 16:33:48 maybe undo would be nice to map to the back button Apr 05 16:33:56 neat, i can just do straight lines by tapping on random locations on the screen Apr 05 16:34:59 I *think* up_threshold 80 is 80% CPU usage before it bumps up Apr 05 16:35:14 and with the sampling threshold, it maxes cpu at 100% with 165MHz for too long Apr 05 16:37:04 anyway :) Apr 05 16:37:08 still a slick app Apr 05 16:37:20 needs a lot of polish Apr 05 16:38:17 yes a polish brush would be nice Apr 05 16:38:25 I have a bit more fun using colors on the DS Apr 05 16:38:36 even if the screen is smaller in both size and resolution Apr 05 16:42:51 my next goal is to get a hildon banner popup showing the image of the brush selected Apr 05 16:42:54 via shortcut Apr 05 16:43:31 but yes for N800/770 it's really lacking onscreen controls Apr 05 16:45:36 having the brush & color and so on a separate window doesn't really work well imo. Apr 05 16:45:46 fysa - cputhreshhold is something I have been looking closely at. my program runs sluggishly at 80 because within the timeframe its not working over 80%. lowering to 40 has given a marked improvement around the whole system but it reverts after a reboot Apr 05 16:45:52 do we know how to set this forever? Apr 05 16:46:40 you could suid the app and set it on program start Apr 05 16:46:44 no? Apr 05 16:47:12 suppose - i do need root rights to change it - ive added a turbo option to mine which does this, but im not sure how to do it properly without this Apr 05 16:47:38 i tried niceing myself at first and even though nice processes should work it did nothing Apr 05 16:48:20 anybody know python here? Apr 05 16:48:42 go ahead Apr 05 16:48:43 i need to learn how to show an icon in hildon_banner_show Apr 05 16:48:45 i know a bit pup, is it complicated? Apr 05 16:48:53 ahhh rite, no then Apr 05 16:48:57 heh Apr 05 16:49:21 * lcuk understands syntax and grammar but doesnt know all the libs yet :)( Apr 05 16:49:30 hum Apr 05 16:51:04 have you experimented with the sampling rate, lcuk? Apr 05 16:51:39 not in this specific program but for my rendering thingy yes Apr 05 16:52:04 leaving it on 80% meant the cpu clocked itself back down dropping framerate right down Apr 05 16:52:15 unless i was very active with cursor Apr 05 16:52:59 156250 is the default sampling rate Apr 05 16:53:03 I don't know how that works.. Apr 05 16:53:18 but if it was responsive enough to reclock in time, it could beat the threshold Apr 05 16:53:30 the threshold lag rather Apr 05 16:54:15 reclocking quite possibly takes a noticable amount of time Apr 05 16:54:17 but any of these changes need root Apr 05 16:54:54 i found best compromise was the threshhold percent - it makes all programs respond better but still clocks itself back down when idle Apr 05 16:54:56 between noticing it needs to reclock, and then arranging for that to happen Apr 05 16:56:03 pupnik, AFAIK you must provide an icon-name to the hildon_banner_information_show (or pass None) Apr 05 16:56:07 pupnik, http://lovebug356.blogspot.com/2007/08/hildon-banner-in-pymaemo.html Apr 05 16:56:34 python hildon API is pretty much 1-on-1 to C API Apr 05 16:56:48 also - the problem with finishing one stroke and starting another being connected is due to the RAW sampling method. it is meant to give a position update with a pressure of zero to indicate end of stroke (there is no mouse up or down) i noticed depending on what i was doing (and mainly when it clocked back down) x11 would not send me this final mouse coord Apr 05 16:56:49 k Apr 05 16:57:03 this has effectively stopped if i am running at 40% Apr 05 17:02:08 pupnik, your suggestion earlier about a ball in the centre of the screen isnt needed - just run something like maemopad+ with pressure enabled and color in the screen evenly. Apr 05 17:02:08 http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3377/n810pressureunevenareasbt1.png Apr 05 17:04:26 you can not apply even pressure with your hand Apr 05 17:07:28 no i know, but thats less even pressure than you cannot apply an even LOCATION - remember touch is centre of pressure on this tablet, so as you move your finger and new bits are detected the cursor jiggles around in a smallish circle and isnt smooth at all Apr 05 17:09:23 add to that this screen isnt smooth and it jumps around like a rodeo - just try drawing a straight line with a fat pad of a finger and you see the effect Apr 05 17:09:46 i use a wacom stylus for drawing :) Apr 05 17:09:50 smoothing would be possible but for the lack in resolution Apr 05 17:10:14 which doesnt respond at all to finger and infact with work through your hand ;) Apr 05 17:10:20 Hi Apr 05 17:10:32 lcuk: fingers aren't sharp Apr 05 17:10:34 ive got a wacom behind the screen of one of my old laptops :) it works really well Apr 05 17:11:00 i know that.. Apr 05 17:13:03 so .. the problem is related to your scrolling ebook reader? Apr 05 17:13:11 jumpy scrolling? Apr 05 17:13:29 i'm just curious about what the relevance of imprecise finger position is Apr 05 17:14:04 it was an observation when i was implimenting RAW Mouse :) Apr 05 17:14:34 and how difficult it is to 100% detect i am using a finger than a stylus - whilst its easy to get most cases it doesnt work always Apr 05 17:14:52 ah Apr 05 17:15:06 so for a finger you do sample averaging? Apr 05 17:16:18 it might work - lemme just find your mail addy ill send you a little somefink Apr 05 17:18:03 wait, i don't know why i should care about that Apr 05 17:18:34 does this have applications to mypaint? Apr 05 17:18:39 cursor tracking is fine as-is Apr 05 17:20:12 ok ignore if you want it was just for example Apr 05 17:20:38 ok thanks politely anyway Apr 05 17:20:50 info is always a potential value Apr 05 17:27:18 hehe my sketches made front page on internettablettalk :) Apr 05 17:32:48 I saw that Apr 05 17:32:58 pupnik: thank you so much for all your development Apr 05 17:33:27 especially tyrian Apr 05 17:33:47 I loved playing that 14 years ago or whenever Apr 05 17:34:20 hes been working none stop for 14 years towards getting it running on nokia - that is dedication :O ;) Apr 05 17:34:23 happy to help Apr 05 17:34:30 lol Apr 05 17:34:30 lol Apr 05 17:34:47 glad you have your mypaint stuff up there pup :) Apr 05 17:34:50 i'm too stopid to fix the mouse though Apr 05 17:34:57 i just grabbed mtpain from you - whats the connection? Apr 05 17:35:16 or is it just named similar Apr 05 17:35:34 well i liked mtpaint but when anders_gud released his simplified mypaint, i realized how awesome the brushes/pencils were Apr 05 17:35:48 so unique311 was totally right about mypaint, it's way better Apr 05 17:35:56 i just have to package my optimized build here Apr 05 17:36:14 ?? Apr 05 17:36:17 mypaint Apr 05 17:36:23 no mtpaint is my fav Apr 05 17:36:26 oh Apr 05 17:36:33 i misunderstood then :) Apr 05 17:36:41 well that is until i can get my problem resolved Apr 05 17:36:42 mtpaint brushes stop after about 50 points though - its disconcerting Apr 05 17:36:57 they should dynamically extend themselves ;) Apr 05 17:38:03 oh, cool Apr 05 17:38:03 i prebably can put out similar work with mypaint... Apr 05 17:38:04 http://sourceforge.net/projects/fheroes2/ Apr 05 17:38:20 I loved playing HOMM2 & 3 Apr 05 17:38:45 and the entirely free implementation of a HOMM clone, attal: lords of doom - is not all that good Apr 05 17:38:50 pupnik, who is the girl in your painting by the way Apr 05 17:38:53 well, it's just way too early Apr 05 17:39:06 heres the latest from mtpaint.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=158472&postcount=18 Apr 05 17:40:03 wicked unique311 :) Apr 05 17:40:10 mypaint has a config file? Apr 05 17:40:43 lcuk: thank ya kindly Apr 05 17:42:58 unique311, you have tried a few of the art programs - which are quickest for simple line drawing Apr 05 17:43:14 i love the parrot painting Apr 05 17:43:54 like i said mtpaint is fav right now... Apr 05 17:44:11 i didi something on mypaint a while back, before all the hildon. Apr 05 17:44:14 is that because of speed? or just all round features Apr 05 17:44:17 and it came out pretty well Apr 05 17:44:26 so thats tops also Apr 05 17:44:39 your just a tablet whore :P you wanna draw Apr 05 17:44:50 lcuk Apr 05 17:44:55 pretty much Apr 05 17:45:11 i wanted a cheap cintiq Apr 05 17:45:18 handlheld at that Apr 05 17:45:36 the tablet provides that somewhat. Apr 05 17:46:03 i've wanted a proper tablet since i saw something described as a "devils tablet" which was about 14" LCD when laptops were just starting Apr 05 17:46:51 ive had a few drawing tablets before and have meshed one into my laptop to give the effect but this si the first proper one i have Apr 05 17:52:59 lcuk: which drawing app for the tablet ou like most? Apr 05 17:54:37 i like my own - its not at all fully featured but it runs using xv (Same as mplayer) and can get 25fps at fullscreen but is limited to YUV (which isnt a problem because I started in greyscale) Apr 05 17:54:52 (infact its not featured at all - its just a screen with strokes Apr 05 17:57:26 you pan on releasing this screen with strokes? Apr 05 17:57:30 plan Apr 05 18:01:18 lol - i plan on releasing a lot of stuff but first i have to ensure its the right direction Apr 05 18:02:10 i have a baseline program but no real framework around it - if i release too early i end up being pushed into a corner by having to retain the dev direction im heading which may be wrong Apr 05 18:02:32 at the moment i can rebuild anytime and not have to maintain compatability or anything Apr 05 18:02:42 (after saying all that, it will be soon) Apr 05 18:04:34 blurrrrrrr toooolllllllllllllll] Apr 05 18:06:00 lol Apr 05 18:08:36 a must... Apr 05 18:08:57 well that and the colorpicker.. Apr 05 18:09:30 you want up down selectable r/g/b using the dpad i know i remember the convo Apr 05 18:09:53 up/dn r/g/b cycle, l/r amount of selected pot Apr 05 18:10:17 ive been considering using an overlay ontop of the 810 keyboard to give same effect but with a direct single push on a color Apr 05 18:10:25 qwerty row = reds Apr 05 18:10:28 asdf row = greens Apr 05 18:10:33 zxcv row blues Apr 05 18:10:43 but you havent got an 810 so it doesnt matter :P Apr 05 18:14:24 i plan on buying another tablet. Apr 05 18:14:44 something bigger harder faster? Apr 05 18:15:03 its going to be nokia Apr 05 18:15:13 i want a 'chroma-only' brush to colorize pics on mypaint Apr 05 18:15:21 just not sure if want to spend the money on the wimmax edition, or just wait it out.. Apr 05 18:15:55 pupnik: did you try making brushes on mypaint yet? Apr 05 18:16:11 no Apr 05 18:16:21 well i tried the chroma only brush but i don't know how Apr 05 18:16:28 tried making one rather Apr 05 18:17:26 i tried creating a brush, Apr 05 18:17:43 kinda difficult Apr 05 18:21:21 yeah well Apr 05 18:21:27 i can't deal with color painting at all Apr 05 18:21:40 but i'd like to sketch b/w and then colorize regions Apr 05 18:23:27 I have a question Apr 05 18:23:42 I have a dream Apr 05 18:23:53 i have a solution Apr 05 18:24:13 I found a howto about setting up nfs on the n810 Apr 05 18:24:19 we have internet tablets Apr 05 18:25:29 But all the packages aren't in thee repository Apr 05 18:25:55 hmm, I wonder how xournal is for the n800 running 2008 Apr 05 18:26:28 Writting with the N810 is hard Apr 05 18:28:02 check this out... Apr 05 18:28:29 ok so i use that rotate plugin to inverse the screen.... Apr 05 18:29:07 nm Apr 05 18:29:17 aww, it was just getting interesting Apr 05 18:30:44 you left handed unique311 ? Apr 05 18:30:53 yes Apr 05 18:31:09 mne too Apr 05 18:32:27 Software Edition 2008 version 2.2007.51-3 for Nokia N800 <- is that the latest? Apr 05 18:32:37 I thought there was a new release this week Apr 05 18:33:54 alot of lefties ITT Apr 05 18:34:06 Check out the leftiy thread Apr 05 18:34:31 you all should start a club Apr 05 18:34:31 Is there an extra channel for the N810? Apr 05 18:34:54 you can call it, "No righties allowed" Apr 05 18:35:39 hold secret meetings where you discuss how much the man has you down with all the ergenomic mice that are only right handed Apr 05 18:35:59 and how no one makes a good left handed bike tire wrench Apr 05 18:36:01 Proteous: its not that serious... Apr 05 18:36:10 heh Apr 05 18:36:15 <-- not serious Apr 05 18:36:55 you make a good point about the left handed bike tire wrench Apr 05 18:36:59 heh Apr 05 18:41:07 recommended way to load quicktime codec onto the N800, please? Apr 05 18:41:18 (what's with the lack of media player codecs.. :( ) Apr 05 18:41:59 Proteous: next time you're in Sears, try buying a metric crescent wrench. they don't have 'em. Apr 05 18:43:25 what do you think about the upcoming wifi version? Apr 05 18:43:50 erm, wimax Apr 05 18:48:02 anyone have quicktime working on their device? finding no information about loading the codec on the web. I can't be the only one Apr 05 18:49:16 quictime, and tablet? Apr 05 18:49:31 which media player are you attempting to view quicktime with? Apr 05 18:49:37 perhaps mplayer will handle it... Apr 05 18:49:56 I should try mplayer Apr 05 18:50:11 yes, you should Apr 05 18:50:36 thanks for your response, though - trying mplayer now Apr 05 18:54:01 mplayer is acting very badly - seems to be freezing whenever I try and play a file Apr 05 18:55:38 Goo evening everyone! Apr 05 18:55:42 Good i mean :) Apr 05 18:57:42 aehm... GOOD evening everyone *trying it again to be polite* :) Apr 05 18:58:54 hi there cyber Apr 05 18:59:02 a goo evening to you as well :P Apr 05 18:59:14 *gg* hi lcuk...... Apr 05 18:59:38 hello Apr 05 18:59:46 hows your weekend going? Apr 05 18:59:53 hope you are doing fine :) .... wanna test out a new n800 project i started? its an online game i developed for 800x480 :) Apr 05 19:00:13 tense with anticipation of my my first IT, an n800, arriving Apr 05 19:00:23 lcuk: working working working on finding some people who would like to start a revolution somewhere :) Apr 05 19:00:41 cyberholic: what kind of game? Apr 05 19:01:11 blackjack :) .... it's the first of about 10 that i have in pipeline.... http://www.mojocafe.net/games Apr 05 19:01:12 mikedep333, dont be tense, its only a computer Apr 05 19:01:25 exactly Apr 05 19:01:30 i can't live without computers Apr 05 19:01:33 oh by the way: if you play the game you can see my ugly face :) Apr 05 19:01:35 I need linux in my pocket Apr 05 19:01:41 cyber, im not a card man Apr 05 19:02:08 btw Apr 05 19:02:19 it is impressive that something so small is a computer Apr 05 19:03:01 it is impressive and from a developers perspective its technology feels very much on par with amiga :) Apr 05 19:03:09 lcuk: but maybe a CART man? *gg* ... i will develop some tactical racing games this summer for the n800 - n810 Apr 05 19:03:29 mikedep333: I have it paired with my cell phone data connection, so I say I carry the internet in my pocket Apr 05 19:03:37 yeah Apr 05 19:03:40 if they are flash tactical or anything games will have a problem being smooth Apr 05 19:03:46 I need to a get a cell phone data plan once they are cheaper Apr 05 19:04:37 lcuk: if you play the blackjack game at the url mentioned above you will see that it works smooooth :) Apr 05 19:04:41 i just use other peoples internet. i have a connection at home and one at work and i can hook into friends and since i am driving everywhere else i dont need it there Apr 05 19:04:55 fortunately my palm treo 650 is compatible with the bluetooth net connection Apr 05 19:05:28 cyber spam it again ill take a look onow i am on device Apr 05 19:05:54 I was at a music conference last night and wanted to take a picture with my n800. It did not have the camera application loaded. So, I connected to the public wifi there, installed the camera app with one click, and then took my picture. Apr 05 19:06:08 lcuk2... what do you mean? sorry for my bad english Apr 05 19:06:19 was the quality acceptable - i find its very grainy Apr 05 19:06:35 cyber, give me the link again please i am using my 810 now i will have a look Apr 05 19:06:43 <<< on 810 Apr 05 19:06:47 ah cool, thanks! http://www.mojocafe.net/games Apr 05 19:07:03 yes, especially grainy for the low light conditions, but I felt really empowered to do what I wanted Apr 05 19:08:54 hey, general firefox UI question, is it possible to disable link browsing with the directional pad? Apr 05 19:09:42 when I browse a web page, I always want to scroll down with the directional pad, but if I hold it down too short of a time, then it will jump to a link (which might be above where I am reading) Apr 05 19:09:59 anybody good with python want to implement stuff i want for mypaint? :) i want to see the brush name (and/or image thumbnail) that i selected when i hit a brush shortcut key Apr 05 19:09:59 cyberholic, you are right, thats quicker than the others (even if it is just a could of cards) and is perfectly acceptable for this type of game. however the same issue still stands re: needing flash and internet. :) you have a creative mind and obvious talent it is a shame its locked up inside flash Apr 05 19:10:25 since I select links by clicking with the stylus, I never use the link browsing with the directional pad, and I would like to turn off that functionality Apr 05 19:10:31 hmm preview = self.app.brushSelectionWindow.get_preview_pixbuf() Apr 05 19:10:46 m-c yes, there is a way to change the settings so dpad up/down moves by page Apr 05 19:11:04 lcuk: thanks i know of my negative points *grin* - but they come because i think that within a short time people will be online 24/7 so that you get everything online... games, PIM, calendar etc.. Apr 05 19:11:04 lcuk that's just what I want Apr 05 19:11:05 ill try and find you the howto Apr 05 19:11:19 its just one setting ifiak Apr 05 19:11:20 wow thanks Apr 05 19:13:03 cyberholic, you will be waiting a long time before ubiqutous 24/7 internet enabled devices are the norm - sure its getting closer but everyone has time without a connection, and some of those times are when you want time wasters (think about on most planes) Apr 05 19:15:13 lcuk: correct. But your planes example is exactly the reason why i wanted to have the n800 as media-device: because instead of watching "Email from you" while a flight, i may prefer to watch "Snakes on a plane" .... 8) Apr 05 19:15:16 m-c here is the thread. if you read down the page, someone offers a .deb file to install. this does the changes for you and is simplest route :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17764 Apr 05 19:15:41 hey, thanks so much! Apr 05 19:16:00 Oh, and by the way: if you start the game and do not close the browser, you can still play that game on a plane :) Apr 05 19:16:46 by the way - i believe people would freak if you were playing SOAP without headphones ;) Apr 05 19:16:58 *lol* Apr 05 19:17:01 thats an ugly hack :P Apr 05 19:17:04 lcuk I think I can just do the user_pref("snav.enabled", false); in the firefox settings Apr 05 19:17:48 you could if you were using firefox ;) Apr 05 19:18:32 if you do it directly, you also need to change the VK settings for up down inside the htmlbindings Apr 05 19:21:29 pupnik: you beat me to it... Apr 05 19:21:50 what? Apr 05 19:21:56 i didn't figure it out yet! Apr 05 19:21:58 I was just writing to mypaint dicuss list Apr 05 19:22:10 oh :) Apr 05 19:22:39 just to let him know about us... Apr 05 19:22:46 .:-) Apr 05 19:23:13 do you think you would include the hildon banner feedback i added, if it were disable/enable-able from the menu? Apr 05 19:23:39 i also have something i want you to try Apr 05 19:23:48 Oh I have not had time to look at it... Apr 05 19:23:56 ok Apr 05 19:24:17 drawing continuously, 64% of cpu is used by 89258 Apr 05 19:24:19 64.3250 mydrawwidget.so.0.0.0 Apr 05 19:24:32 but I suppose all things that improve usabillity is good Apr 05 19:24:35 so i have a faster mydrawidget compiled with arm optimized flags Apr 05 19:24:45 'improve' is relative, some people might hate the info popups Apr 05 19:25:13 you know I'm a noob at hildonizing... Apr 05 19:25:13 anyway if you try this optimized version, i think you will be excited Apr 05 19:25:24 hehe Apr 05 19:25:29 by talking about cpu usage: i asked some people at oqo.com to test out the OQO tablet with mojocafe.net and you know what the result was? That the browser takes more then 80% of the cpu usage!!! geeeesus christ, for some simple Flash animations! Apr 05 19:26:06 how did you set the cflags in scratchbox, Makefiles? Apr 05 19:26:21 i couldn't figure out how to make the dpkg-buildpackage take my cflags Apr 05 19:26:24 and what flags Apr 05 19:26:42 so i changed makefile and recompiled, then manually copied the binaries into the .deb archive Apr 05 19:27:14 can I have please? Apr 05 19:27:28 yes i'm packaging a build now Apr 05 19:27:35 great Apr 05 19:27:59 pupnik: sometimes debian/rules overwrite CFLAGS Apr 05 19:28:12 just change CFLAGS = -Wall -g to CFLAGS += .. Apr 05 19:28:22 beware pup, optimised programs which use lower cpu may end up being throttled more often Apr 05 19:29:01 and export CFLAGS="-O2 etc" before dpkg-buildpackage command Apr 05 19:29:16 btw. hi everyone Apr 05 19:29:19 make sure the speed ups arent because you tweaked throttle or anything previously (and i find -O3 gives best) Apr 05 19:29:28 hi kot Apr 05 19:29:36 yeah, test with governor performance Apr 05 19:29:37 pupnik: https://mail.gna.org/public/mypaint-discuss/2008-04/msg00001.html Apr 05 19:29:44 otherwise test results may.. vary Apr 05 19:29:44 ;) Apr 05 19:30:32 nice letter Apr 05 19:30:36 * lcuk now has a different config to test at default 80% and a fast 40% one to get most consistant best case fps settings Apr 05 19:30:40 i assumed you had already introduced him to it Apr 05 19:30:46 and that the messages were just not visible yet Apr 05 19:32:18 maybe we should get a garage page for MyPaint? Apr 05 19:32:22 who is this "peer" bloke who keeps resetting people? he must be mighty powerful Apr 05 19:32:38 that's called: peer pressure Apr 05 19:32:54 * lcuk walks along the peer Apr 05 19:34:31 im gonna try and get some code done now, will bbl Apr 05 19:34:33 peer rhymes with a beer Apr 05 19:34:39 mmmmm peer Apr 05 19:34:40 and leer Apr 05 19:34:44 and pear Apr 05 19:35:24 and deer, which we have too much of around here Apr 05 19:36:03 when i have had a beer the deer around here remind me of a peer Apr 05 19:36:21 oh, dear Apr 05 19:36:24 :D Apr 05 19:36:31 you're telling my ear this year? Apr 05 19:36:49 why should i peer in your ear? Apr 05 19:37:27 hear hear Apr 05 19:38:48 anders_gud http://pupnik.de/mypaint_0.5.0-1~hildon3b_armel.deb has the faster mydrawwidget.so.0.0.0 - extract with ar x file.deb - that's the only real thing that needs the faster cflags Apr 05 19:38:55 flag to Navi Apr 05 19:40:45 pupnik: Thanks! I'll try it out ASAP. Keep up the good work! Apr 05 19:42:38 pupnik: have to go (to watch DVD Brideshead Revisited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brideshead_Revisited_(miniseries) :-) Apr 05 19:43:33 k cheers Apr 05 19:43:44 cheers Apr 05 19:44:22 how do i disable the Ctrl-E => maemo search filesystem binding Apr 05 20:02:49 Wow Apr 05 20:02:59 mypaint just caused my N800 to restart Apr 05 20:03:33 i've even seen mypaint make the whole LCD go into strange zendimension mode (looks like WSOD) Apr 05 20:03:50 Evil little program Apr 05 20:03:58 I was only a few minutes from finishing Apr 05 20:04:05 aqq Apr 05 20:04:15 Good thing I save often Apr 05 20:06:32 try my new version Apr 05 20:06:37 numpty drawing crashes often and for some reason all the strokes i draw fall down - i have to paint really quickly ;) Apr 05 20:09:15 how is the speed of the simulation/animation? Apr 05 20:09:37 i definitely want a 'crayon physics' to show the kids Apr 05 20:10:43 I want a real crayon physics port Apr 05 20:11:18 or at least a true-to-the-original rehash, 'cuz the original was written in java Apr 05 20:11:44 oh, then forget that Apr 05 20:12:29 pupnik, its not great, but its workable - if you drwa enough straight line strokes in one place you see the update rects and it tears but surprisingly stable other than that - its doing quite a lot and does it well enough to be playable Apr 05 20:12:42 all the family have had a go and the missus is surprisingly interested :) Apr 05 20:12:52 :) Apr 05 20:14:13 i have a feeling though that this kind of experiment cannot work too well because of sheer processing power required to do much more Apr 05 20:14:34 the levels weren't that good but it's quite fun otherwise Apr 05 20:14:44 once you get even a modest number of points on the screen the calculation time takes over Apr 05 20:15:24 doing the physics efficiently is a very interesting algorithmic problem Apr 05 20:15:31 have you looked into that? Apr 05 20:15:44 the level with the see-saws is broken most of the time - its easy to knock one of the stars out, but then the ball gets stuck on something and nothing you roll at it will move it to get the second one . you have to make sure it hits both with a single roll Apr 05 20:15:45 oh, and collissions Apr 05 20:16:12 I draw a box around the entire stage for that one Apr 05 20:16:34 and add a bump on the seesaw to keep it from rolling off Apr 05 20:16:45 not true physics on this device but i did have some bubble space thing setup which applied a variable force on each point based on every other one and checked for collissions etc Apr 05 20:17:37 its one of the modules im tweaking - im running around about 5 subprojects making sure each of them works with the core. Apr 05 20:18:55 how did you do the tree one? Apr 05 20:19:24 * lcuk likes a catapult kind of arrangement to fling the ball - but you need to add a barrier at RHS Apr 05 20:20:46 i'm stuck on the two seesaw one Apr 05 20:20:48 level 3 Apr 05 20:21:06 have you managed to get any of the stars yet Apr 05 20:21:34 yeah Apr 05 20:21:35 1 Apr 05 20:21:42 lcuk, I do it with a seesaw Apr 05 20:22:34 navi - yes - a spoon shaped thing cupping the ball and a weight hanging over the other side of the tree - catches and flings the ball as the weight drops Apr 05 20:26:31 i totally cheated in lvl3 just now Apr 05 20:27:11 wtf Apr 05 20:27:23 how do u bent the tree? Apr 05 20:27:46 you cannae change the laws of physics Apr 05 20:27:59 how do uu beat this lol Apr 05 20:28:07 http://pupnik.de/mypaint_0.5.0-1~hildon3c_armel.deb Navi - slightly faster version Apr 05 20:29:21 hrm Apr 05 20:29:23 mypain eh Apr 05 20:29:31 any good? Apr 05 20:29:43 mypaint sucks Apr 05 20:31:35 a suck brush. now that would be neat Apr 05 20:31:48 pervers Apr 05 20:32:13 mypaint suck mode: realistic drawing of LCD surface ;) Apr 05 20:33:59 hwo the fuck Apr 05 20:34:02 do you do this tree level Apr 05 20:34:13 camera? Apr 05 20:34:23 if only camera didn't suck so much.. Apr 05 20:34:25 :) Apr 05 20:34:59 phunguy - pause at start and then setup what i described Apr 05 20:35:35 you make a weight by coloring in a small blob - do it all in one stroke - spoon shape around the ball then over the tree and a filled in blob for a weight Apr 05 20:35:47 when you unpause the ball will be catapulted to the other side Apr 05 20:36:06 once you do that - you should be able to suss how to do similar with the ball on the floor Apr 05 20:38:23 RofL Apr 05 20:39:52 i guess it worked then - the first few times i lost the ball Apr 05 20:40:47 :( Apr 05 20:40:49 last level? Apr 05 20:41:29 for now i guess Apr 05 20:41:53 we need map kits and more playness Apr 05 20:42:16 and steam automatic updates and a companion cube to help with tricky levels Apr 05 20:43:01 lol Apr 05 20:43:22 its also ghey how you can make a ball a certain colour over the star and you will automatically win the level Apr 05 20:44:24 thats just cheating though :P Apr 05 20:44:41 yeah lol/ Apr 05 20:45:04 i never would have known about colouring in that anvil Apr 05 20:45:05 lol Apr 05 20:45:10 shit Apr 05 20:45:17 it reminds me of linerider - which is unfortunately a flash thing isnt it? Apr 05 20:45:39 someone should port "The Incredible Machine" to the n8xx Apr 05 20:46:30 theres lots of things which can come with time - ive played many of these little physics playsets in my time, but the touch just brings them to life :) Apr 05 20:46:33 can you delete objects in numpty? Apr 05 20:46:56 yes, but only in order added Apr 05 20:47:00 press delete i think Apr 05 20:47:46 it's kinda hard Apr 05 20:47:59 yer it is but its fun for all the family Apr 05 20:48:24 linerider would rock in this environment but flash isnt fast enough Apr 05 20:48:46 actually, no it wouldnt i would never get 810 back from eldest Apr 05 20:49:13 lcuk: how about 'low quality' setting in flash? Apr 05 20:49:16 hmm Apr 05 20:49:21 or flash pixeldoubled to 400x240 ? Apr 05 20:49:23 native app with upload to web caps Apr 05 20:49:33 KotCzarny, its not enough Apr 05 20:49:45 it's 4x speedup Apr 05 20:50:14 hmm Apr 05 20:50:28 how do you run flash in a none microb window? Apr 05 20:50:30 is there a way to use flashplugin that comes with device as standalone? Apr 05 20:50:45 lol - i keep telling that mojo guy he needs something similar Apr 05 20:50:47 maybe with specially crafted mini microb? Apr 05 20:50:53 if he could do it, most flash would be better Apr 05 20:51:00 mini micro :) Apr 05 20:51:05 :) Apr 05 20:51:08 pico micro Apr 05 20:51:10 ;) Apr 05 20:51:15 nano pico micro Apr 05 20:51:15 picrob Apr 05 20:51:29 napimicrob Apr 05 20:51:48 pinamiob Apr 05 20:52:19 i'm bored Apr 05 20:52:27 what else should i install on this Apr 05 20:52:40 phunguy: sdk Apr 05 20:52:54 or write something in pygtk Apr 05 20:53:04 these kind of quick games are right up my alley and ive done loads of little playgrounds in vb before - ill gid out the code and see what i can get working - and since im using the xv base i can just lower the res to any arbitary value and get best quality/detail gradient going :) Apr 05 20:53:32 hey guys Apr 05 20:53:55 how is running 2,3,4 button console emulators on the N800 Apr 05 20:54:04 what do you use for buttons? Apr 05 20:54:11 buttons? Apr 05 20:54:14 lcuk: microb is open? Apr 05 20:54:16 since it's not like you can multi-touch a and b on the screen Apr 05 20:54:28 *at the same time Apr 05 20:54:31 remap hardware buttons Apr 05 20:54:35 +/fs/- Apr 05 20:54:37 KotCzarny: Error: "/fs/-" is not a valid command. Apr 05 20:54:56 on the top of the system? Apr 05 20:55:04 probably with xmodmap Apr 05 20:55:12 KotCzarny, not sure, but even if it is im not gonna dig through the code and cherry pick the flash stuff. its not a beneficial waste of time Apr 05 20:55:17 make a script to do it before and after running your app Apr 05 20:55:33 ok Apr 05 20:55:49 or if you can configure your app Apr 05 20:55:54 just tell it to use them Apr 05 20:56:05 (they are mapped to f4/f5/f6 afair) Apr 05 20:56:13 order may be different Apr 05 20:56:23 phunguy - look on maemo.org and there is a whole app list with high rated and newest etc Apr 05 21:00:45 cool Apr 05 21:07:29 lcuk, found someting interesting about ondemand/up_threshold Apr 05 21:07:38 lcuk, http://www.bughost.org/pipermail/power/2008-February/001287.html Apr 05 21:11:13 grealty increasing the sample rate makes the system go to full speed faster, but someone is working on refactoring the ondemand system to make it more precise/real-time, instead of through sampling. Apr 05 21:11:15 fysa, nice bit of info, but still not what i notice occuring: if in the sampling period the cpu is estimated to be running over 80% then more speed is needed. my program was making cpu run at about 50% using the slowest mhz. it was thinking "hmm i dont need to go faster yet" even though my program would benefit running at faster rate Apr 05 21:11:43 hopefully some changes are coming in the diablo update - it would certainly help Apr 05 21:12:52 i changed it to 40%, not to get it changing faster but to actually identify i wanted more mhz in a stable manner. before it would speed up about a second after stroke started Apr 05 21:12:57 right Apr 05 21:13:08 you want that bump to come before its responsively too late Apr 05 21:13:13 it's Apr 05 21:13:49 yes and the more i have optimised this the harder it has come to actually get the cpu to kick into higher gear Apr 05 21:14:08 :) better actually runs slower :) Apr 05 21:14:19 less is more Apr 05 21:14:20 ;) Apr 05 21:15:42 right, ive got a boggle in code - im doing some extension work on keyboard input in x11. i can see and identify all keys pressed on the keyboard but i cannot get the buttons to raise an event. i cant detect dpad - any ideas? Apr 05 21:15:58 removing the sampling/analyzation could make that cpufreq adjustment come between a handful of cycles, quick enough and that CPU jump will come up in time for your demanding function to feel responsive.. Apr 05 21:16:04 then quick enough down to save more power than we do now.. Apr 05 21:16:34 yes :) that would be best case Apr 05 21:16:39 lcuk: hmm, afaik dpad generates regular keysyms Apr 05 21:16:46 maybe some other app eats them? Apr 05 21:16:49 not that i am seeing Apr 05 21:16:55 nom nom nom Apr 05 21:17:18 then maybe you don't watch for any keys ? Apr 05 21:17:42 they are seen as regular keyup/down Apr 05 21:19:51 http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/DrgnAK/Filedb.png <- Bow before sonic and his sucky shaded glory Apr 05 21:19:52 no, they arent coming through at all, enter is MIA Apr 05 21:20:09 i drew sonic one night on my amiga :D Apr 05 21:20:17 Cool Navi Apr 05 21:20:21 WD navi Apr 05 21:20:25 lcuk: enter is eaten if you run hildon input method probably Apr 05 21:20:34 in terminal it brings up osk Apr 05 21:20:35 im running base x11 Apr 05 21:20:43 then you should catch them Apr 05 21:20:46 run xev ? Apr 05 21:20:47 this app shouldnt even KNOW about hildon Apr 05 21:21:02 Navi put it in the art thread. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15660&page=3 Apr 05 21:21:02 is it built in? Apr 05 21:21:03 maybe you try to catch wrong codes Apr 05 21:21:06 nope Apr 05 21:21:08 pupnik, k Apr 05 21:21:13 but it compiles ok Apr 05 21:21:28 If you hit shift+space, it'll put the N800 into N810 input mode. Apr 05 21:21:38 so enter will work Apr 05 21:21:49 but this is an 810 Apr 05 21:21:56 and im bashing the hardware keys Apr 05 21:22:01 and actual keys are showing through Apr 05 21:22:06 hmm Apr 05 21:22:07 ie a-z0-9 Apr 05 21:22:14 Oh, what exactly are we talking about again? Apr 05 21:22:24 i don't have n810 Apr 05 21:22:31 coding an x11 event handler Apr 05 21:22:34 ah Apr 05 21:22:38 it shows bt keys as well Apr 05 21:22:47 maybe on 810 they map them differently Apr 05 21:22:49 and space and esc Apr 05 21:22:55 but not enter or del or dpad Apr 05 21:23:07 anyway, try xev Apr 05 21:23:11 yer i will do Apr 05 21:51:43 KotCzarny, thanks :) they should be there and its something i am (not) doing. btw found some maemo built debs here http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./chinook/binary Apr 05 21:52:57 i just compile them myself Apr 05 21:52:58 :) Apr 05 21:53:06 otherwise you can simply get debian ones Apr 05 21:53:12 and make proper packages :) Apr 05 21:53:44 unless it's your site you wanted to show off :) Apr 05 21:54:44 not at all, if i setup the toolchain directly on the device (Which i keep being tempted by) then i would compile in situ but i dont like cross compiling at the best of times with my own app, i just dont want the hassle of doing other peoples Apr 05 21:54:47 Hi everyone, i am back again :) Apr 05 21:55:29 lcuk: compiling with armel target in sbox produces the same binary as gcc on device :) Apr 05 21:55:45 I just received an email from someone who testet out Mojocafe and once again, the time on the clocks are 1 hour in advance or 1 hour back. Someone of you allready said that this is due to something with the device, but can someone of you tell me again what exactly the error is? Apr 05 21:56:16 cyberholic: probably timezone mismatch Apr 05 21:56:17 yes, but then i have to transfer the resulting binary and keep a nice tidy builds location and stuff Apr 05 21:56:31 lcuk: not at all Apr 05 21:56:44 just sshfs mount your dev box on /usr/local Apr 05 21:56:45 ;) Apr 05 21:57:17 kot: but Flash takes the time from the device. In example: the date.gettime object in Flash simply just looks what time is set with the pc - does this not is the same like on the n800 or n810? Apr 05 21:57:45 do you have a date.daylightsavingsinuse flag? Apr 05 21:57:47 cyberholic: i don't know about flash :) Apr 05 21:57:53 or similar Apr 05 21:58:35 Kot: the strange thing is that with some it shows the correct time. Very strange. Does it depend on the timezone set on the device? Apr 05 21:58:43 yes Apr 05 21:58:45 most likely Apr 05 21:58:54 buy a n800 Apr 05 21:58:55 different countries have different daylight savings dates Apr 05 21:58:58 it's very cheap :) Apr 05 21:59:05 some countries do not have DST at all Apr 05 21:59:24 others have it but it differs in when it kicks in Apr 05 21:59:58 http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./wallpapers/smiling_table_preview.png Apr 05 22:00:02 nice idea for desktop applet Apr 05 22:00:03 :) Apr 05 22:00:16 ok. so this looks like i will have to take the server time :( Apr 05 22:00:21 we can get transparent stuff.. Apr 05 22:00:23 hey kot: AWESOME design! Apr 05 22:00:33 cyberholic: it's not mine Apr 05 22:00:39 what is it? Apr 05 22:00:51 lcuk: why.. simply take wallpaper and draw yourself ;) Apr 05 22:01:26 http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./other/images/long770_1.jpg Apr 05 22:01:27 hehe Apr 05 22:01:34 i have seen that somewhere already Apr 05 22:01:50 loooooooooongcat approves Apr 05 22:03:42 back later Apr 05 22:05:07 k Apr 05 22:45:46 my pizza making powers grow ever stronger Apr 05 22:54:22 Yum Apr 05 22:54:31 Fresh homemade pizza is great Apr 05 22:55:36 but not served on tablets Apr 05 23:00:03 hey, is SD card swap space useful on the n800(and presumably n810)? Apr 05 23:02:20 oh, and I'm curious, what version is the kernel on ITOS 2008? Apr 05 23:02:37 swap: yes, but wears card a little Apr 05 23:02:44 version: run: uname -a Apr 05 23:02:52 (but it's 2.6.21 Apr 05 23:02:59 modified of course Apr 05 23:03:02 my n800 is in the mail :( Apr 05 23:03:27 I don't care too much about wearing out a 2 GB sd card when I have another one Apr 05 23:04:07 sure, but data loss can be bad Apr 05 23:04:08 you know Apr 05 23:04:19 oh, good point Apr 05 23:04:47 pity they don't include option to create real swap partition Apr 05 23:04:49 I hope syncing software gets better so that wouldnt be an issue Apr 05 23:04:54 but it can be done manually Apr 05 23:17:51 any swap would be on a flash. if it's on an external card, you can replace when defective Apr 05 23:18:04 if on internal flash, well you get the picture Apr 05 23:26:26 * lcuk . o O ( DOH! } Apr 05 23:41:39 KotCzarny its not going to make much of a difference - in new kernels swap in fs is almost as good as swap in partn Apr 05 23:42:55 nokia is working on a fs for flash cards. They reciently posted a version on the kernel mailing list. Suspect in will make it in .26 or .27 (eg 3 to 6 months) Apr 05 23:45:13 edt: what would be the advantage compared to an existing flash memory fs? :) Apr 05 23:45:35 can you point me to a ML post or some info please? Apr 05 23:54:44 hello - does anybody have mypaint installed? I need help, having difficulties with python dependencies Apr 05 23:59:31 existing fses are designed for hd. The one fs designed for flash works on raw flash (eg not sd or sdhc cards) Apr 06 00:00:09 the new fs will do software loadleveling and is designed to minimize the number of writes Apr 06 00:00:16 the app has dependencies on python2.5-gtk2 and python2.5-hildon Apr 06 00:00:22 so - where do i get those from Apr 06 00:00:24 for OS2008 Apr 06 00:00:29 minimizing the writes saves both power and write cycles Apr 06 00:03:05 Tama^3 search a linux mailing list archive for 'UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)' from Tomasz Chmielewski Apr 06 00:03:29 thanks Apr 06 00:03:50 also: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system from Artem Bityutskiy Apr 06 00:04:43 looks like UBIFS is further along than logfs. Both should work much better that current fses on large sd/sdhc cards Apr 06 00:07:27 new game port for maemo: "defendguin" (defender clone) http://n8ftl.com/maemo http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18740 by John Tobias Apr 06 00:14:21 hello people Apr 06 00:17:56 hg Apr 06 00:29:55 edt: but it's a regular file, so if fs is journalled, then writing to swapfile goes through it, or direct? Apr 06 01:35:35 hrm mtpaint zoom out to 0.5 crashes a bigger pic now too Apr 06 01:54:07 :o Apr 06 01:59:51 Navi, that brush that starts thick and gets thinner is awesome for hair Apr 06 02:00:10 in mtpaint? Apr 06 02:00:22 yeah check the lower left corner of this http://pupnik.de/ma6.jpg Apr 06 02:01:39 Cool Apr 06 02:01:44 * Navi isn't much of an artist though Apr 06 02:02:56 But messing with mypaint for a little while was fun. Apr 06 02:08:10 then when you blur it, all the nasty fake pencil lines in the hair fade and look natural http://pupnik.de/ma6blurred.jpg Apr 06 02:08:21 then you can repeat Apr 06 02:09:17 takes forever though Apr 06 02:09:52 ohrite, that's what I should of done. Apr 06 02:14:16 heeeelp! etc Apr 06 02:14:49 irritatingly I took the plunge and ran apt-get upgrade.... ;( Apr 06 02:14:54 * yabbas sighs Apr 06 02:15:11 not recommended Apr 06 02:15:26 tell me about it! Infinite reboot loop now. Apr 06 02:16:01 I want to recover...just flashed initfs and got usb mode networking up. But can't seem to ssh/telnet in after that. Apr 06 02:16:37 "Unable to connect to remote host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused" Apr 06 02:16:44 any ideas? Apr 06 02:17:51 anyone :) Apr 06 02:18:33 it'd be kind of cool if we could mount the rootfs from pc Apr 06 02:18:51 that was my hope Apr 06 02:19:13 pupnik, sshfs ? Apr 06 02:19:20 dropbear supports scp afair Apr 06 02:19:33 if I can't do that - is there a way I can grab rootfs using flasher3? Apr 06 02:19:38 though i don't know if included version does it too Apr 06 02:19:44 KotCzarny, dropbear won't let me in :( Apr 06 02:20:13 yabbas: yes, dd somewhere/a_copy Apr 06 02:20:34 but misplace a <> sign and you can toast the device Apr 06 02:20:36 for good Apr 06 02:20:39 ;) Apr 06 02:20:52 better clone fs to mmc card Apr 06 02:20:55 and boot from it Apr 06 02:20:57 KotCzarny, ?? using flasher3 Apr 06 02:21:05 I can't boot into the device. Apr 06 02:21:11 i never used flasher3 Apr 06 02:21:21 not even once Apr 06 02:21:35 yabbas, how many times have I told you not to do that? :P Apr 06 02:21:59 GAN800, twice as many as half the number of times :) Apr 06 02:22:09 damnit - there has to be a way to recover Apr 06 02:22:15 there is Apr 06 02:22:22 but it requires some linux knowledge Apr 06 02:22:23 :) Apr 06 02:22:32 does the new paint program install fine on the n800 ? Apr 06 02:22:38 initfs and usbnet Apr 06 02:22:52 GAN800, usbnet doesn't seem to let me in :-/ nay ideas why? Apr 06 02:23:04 wrong ip? Apr 06 02:23:05 :) Apr 06 02:23:06 root:rootme? Apr 06 02:23:07 yes Apr 06 02:23:11 KotCzarny, nope Apr 06 02:23:33 root@reaper:/home/yabbas/Desktop# ssh root:rootme@192.168.10.1 Apr 06 02:23:33 ssh: connect to host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused Apr 06 02:23:49 can you ping your desktop from the device? Apr 06 02:23:52 KotCzarny, I can ping it fine Apr 06 02:23:56 err Apr 06 02:23:57 both ways? Apr 06 02:24:02 I don't have access to the device ;) Apr 06 02:24:11 (this is usbnet) Apr 06 02:24:18 hmm Apr 06 02:24:20 ttry telnet Apr 06 02:24:25 same thing Apr 06 02:24:39 then you have probably flashed wrong initfs ? Apr 06 02:24:45 you did install an ssh server on the device, right? Apr 06 02:24:47 root@reaper:/home/yabbas/Desktop# telnet -l root 192.168.10.1 Apr 06 02:24:47 Trying 192.168.10.1... Apr 06 02:24:47 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused Apr 06 02:24:48 or not enabled it during flashing? Apr 06 02:24:50 Did you actually install dropbear when you flashed the initfs. Apr 06 02:25:05 aaah...this is from initfs, forget I said anything Apr 06 02:25:35 well....umm, here's the story :) since the N810 is in a reboot loop I couldn't create the bootmenu there. Created it using N800 with ssh server, then flashed to N810 Apr 06 02:25:50 * yabbas assumes that'll be ok to do Apr 06 02:25:54 o.o Apr 06 02:26:03 yeah, that should work in theory Apr 06 02:26:19 but apparently it doesn't start up Apr 06 02:26:38 so now I have bootmenu, loading defaults for usbnet. pinging the N810 works...but connection is refused Apr 06 02:27:01 ok, so somehow the ssh server isn't getting started Apr 06 02:27:09 my bet you hadn't enabled telnet/sshd during initfs creation Apr 06 02:27:10 bootmenu says it is Apr 06 02:27:34 cut out the uncertainty, modify one of the initscripts to run utelnetd no matter what Apr 06 02:27:35 other bet is desktop's firewall Apr 06 02:27:40 KotCzarny, bootmenu.sh checks for the existence of the files - if they're there, they're started Apr 06 02:27:44 and third one is mismatched ips Apr 06 02:28:12 * yabbas checks the firewall... Apr 06 02:30:49 to be sure you can try running nmap from desktop too Apr 06 02:30:50 :> Apr 06 02:31:09 good idea Apr 06 02:31:45 pupnik_: crayon physics game? Apr 06 02:31:51 didn't see you active Apr 06 02:32:01 yeah Apr 06 02:32:43 so did you just prepare this initfs on the n800 or did you flash it to the n800 as well? Apr 06 02:33:00 johnx, just prepared it without flashing Apr 06 02:33:26 nmap ... 80,1080,8080 odd! Apr 06 02:33:36 yabbas, mismatched ips Apr 06 02:33:36 extremely odd Apr 06 02:33:37 then Apr 06 02:33:40 my first bet Apr 06 02:33:41 ;) Apr 06 02:33:54 KotCzarny, fix it for me ;) Apr 06 02:34:04 what ip has usbnet on desktop? Apr 06 02:34:08 what ip for nokia? Apr 06 02:34:10 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/numptyphysics/ doc|home Apr 06 02:34:26 i can't solve the last level Apr 06 02:34:28 ip for nokia is presumably 192.168.10.1 (that's the default) Apr 06 02:34:47 usbnet on desktop _should_ be 192.168.10.2 Apr 06 02:34:52 ifconfig then Apr 06 02:34:55 and you will see Apr 06 02:35:10 well Apr 06 02:35:11 pupnik_, the tree one? Apr 06 02:35:18 yea Apr 06 02:35:45 this is the odd thing....usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr EE:70:B2:C5:47:E7 Apr 06 02:35:45 inet6 addr: fe80::ec70:b2ff:fec5:47e7/64 Scope:Link Apr 06 02:35:54 no inet4 addy?? Apr 06 02:36:06 :) Apr 06 02:36:15 i have never used usbnet Apr 06 02:36:21 can't comment on that Apr 06 02:36:33 it should have an inet4 address, so not sure why it doesn't Apr 06 02:36:45 set it to 10.10 :) Apr 06 02:37:37 set...lemme try again Apr 06 02:38:58 still no ipv4 address Apr 06 02:39:19 hang on a second, what are the addresses of your other interfaces? Apr 06 02:39:32 cause really usbnet shouldn't overlap with another network Apr 06 02:39:42 yeah, pastebin.com output of ifconfig -a Apr 06 02:39:44 and route -n Apr 06 02:39:50 and yet you found another host at the same IP address as you expected your N810 to appear... Apr 06 02:39:51 192.168.1.0 ... and that _should_ be it Apr 06 02:40:08 pupnik_, it's pretty easy, but you have to be fast Apr 06 02:40:34 pupnik_: numpty physics doesn't really do much :) Apr 06 02:40:50 Build a catapult and a dome. Apr 06 02:41:02 brilliant, mouse batteries died >_< Apr 06 02:41:17 Use a filled in circle to drop in to provide power. Apr 06 02:41:21 :P Apr 06 02:41:24 No need Apr 06 02:41:48 johnx, aaaargh ... you're right! Apr 06 02:41:58 just draw a a seesaw with a hook to keep the ball from falling off over the tree Apr 06 02:42:01 :) Apr 06 02:42:02 * yabbas remembers he's got a router somewhere with that address Apr 06 02:42:10 then add a weight at the other end to pull the ball over Apr 06 02:42:17 Lame Apr 06 02:42:18 * yabbas slaps face Apr 06 02:42:26 * KotCzarny slaps yabbas too Apr 06 02:42:33 Catault is so much more badass Apr 06 02:43:03 Anyone using sip on the n810? Apr 06 02:43:43 no wait - I'm mistaken. I don't :P Apr 06 02:43:48 N Apr 06 02:43:49 Numpty needs a pc level editor. Apr 06 02:43:57 I almost spilled my dring on my n810, luckly I was using a sippy cup. Does that count? Apr 06 02:43:58 pastebin Apr 06 02:44:07 pastebin it shall be! Apr 06 02:44:11 drink Apr 06 02:44:13 I have a sipphone account... But having problems setiing it up Apr 06 02:44:25 On th 810 Apr 06 02:44:59 http://pastebin.com/m3eb50a44 Apr 06 02:45:25 Works fine here, Zeigler. NAT can occasionally be weird. Apr 06 02:45:33 yabbas: and route -n Apr 06 02:46:26 from that pastebin it's: 6 packets transmitted, 0 packets received Apr 06 02:47:12 http://pastebin.com/m2c4a760a :-/ Apr 06 02:47:36 apparently you have not set up usbnet on desktop Apr 06 02:48:11 and as i said i have never used it, so i can be wrong Apr 06 02:48:16 but probably i'm not Apr 06 02:48:16 :) Apr 06 02:48:26 but you still can't give usb0 an address on your desktop? ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.10 Apr 06 02:48:38 johnx: add 'up' too Apr 06 02:48:46 KotCzarny, it is up Apr 06 02:48:57 who know how it behaves Apr 06 02:49:00 *knows Apr 06 02:49:04 hmm Apr 06 02:49:29 KotCzarny, I know because I've been using usbnet in one form or another for ~4 years :) Apr 06 02:49:36 johnx++ Apr 06 02:49:38 ok, you take it from here Apr 06 02:49:38 ;) Apr 06 02:49:54 though i have told him to give usbnet an ip Apr 06 02:49:55 ;) Apr 06 02:50:26 yabbas, what distro is this, by the way? Apr 06 02:50:31 thankyou mister! /etc/network/interfaces didn't do its job! Apr 06 02:50:47 Ubuntu Apr 06 02:50:53 yabbas, after editing that file you have to restart the service Apr 06 02:50:54 :) Apr 06 02:51:06 or just plug out/in :) Apr 06 02:51:09 KotCzarny, oh ffs :) Apr 06 02:51:19 after editing that file just run ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 of course Apr 06 02:51:36 * yabbas didn't _think_ he needed to restart the service/idown/up Apr 06 02:51:49 new day, new knowledge Apr 06 02:51:50 :) Apr 06 02:52:13 oh aye - thank you all! Apr 06 02:52:13 yabbas, well you shouldn't have really. it works here pretty much automagically Apr 06 02:52:57 johnx, that's the thing. I edited interfaces, unplugged and replugged. it should have worked, ne? Apr 06 02:53:11 yeah. that's what I would assume Apr 06 02:53:15 yup Apr 06 02:53:36 unless it didn't noticed unplyugging ;) Apr 06 02:53:41 (just kidding) Apr 06 02:53:43 true say Apr 06 02:53:51 just for fun try ifconfig usb0 192.168.10.10 and see what happens Apr 06 02:54:08 does this look right? http://pastebin.com/d68e93c51 Apr 06 02:54:44 johnx, that's the line that worked earlier :) Apr 06 02:54:57 (didn't need up) Apr 06 02:55:03 run ifconfig Apr 06 02:55:06 and you will see Apr 06 02:55:08 if it worked Apr 06 02:55:09 :) Apr 06 02:55:16 it did, I managed to ssh ;) Apr 06 02:55:22 aaah Apr 06 02:55:24 good Apr 06 02:55:24 woo! Apr 06 02:55:26 have fun :) Apr 06 02:55:36 and still, i won the bet Apr 06 02:55:37 ;) Apr 06 02:55:52 :P mismatched IP != no ip at all Apr 06 02:56:20 ok, treat it as 'bad ips' Apr 06 02:56:30 johnx, do the lines in interfaces here look right? http://pastebin.com/d68e93c51 Apr 06 02:56:33 0 is a number too Apr 06 02:56:35 :) Apr 06 02:56:54 yabbas, I have it differently Apr 06 02:57:03 can ya pastebin yours please Apr 06 02:57:09 I'll post the usb0 section from my interfaces in a sec Apr 06 02:57:13 ty Apr 06 02:57:24 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ Apr 06 02:57:26 http://pastebin.com/m575e5ab4 Apr 06 02:58:02 it is mine way Apr 06 02:58:19 cheers hrw, will read it in a sec **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 06 02:59:56 2008