**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 07 02:59:56 2008
Apr 07 03:23:52 <alsor> das someone known about 'MidLinux'?
Apr 07 03:29:43 <johnx> intel's mid thing based on parts of hildon with a flash-based app launcher
Apr 07 03:29:48 <johnx> something else you wanted to know?
Apr 07 03:35:12 <remicles> this is an interesting error to get while running 'apt-get  update' :
Apr 07 03:35:19 <remicles> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Apr 07 03:35:19 <remicles> "
Apr 07 03:35:55 <johnx> not really, that's the standard complaint if it can't find GPG keys for repositories
Apr 07 03:36:27 <remicles> what will make it work?
Apr 07 03:36:39 <johnx> Nokia adding GPG keys for their repositories
Apr 07 03:36:50 <johnx> just so you know, it's not really an error. apt will still work.
Apr 07 03:36:58 <remicles> trying to install http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ in scratchbox
Apr 07 03:37:10 <remicles> alright, thanks
Apr 07 03:37:17 <Navi> oh, someone already has packages?
Apr 07 03:37:39 <Navi> Man
Apr 07 03:37:52 <Navi> I built that crap for no reason then >_>
Apr 07 03:37:56 <remicles> yeah, i've got it on the device now, just trying to install it in scratchbox
Apr 07 03:38:00 <remicles> bummer
Apr 07 03:47:15 <esworp> were any channels ever added to videocenter,  or is it still just the two?
Apr 07 03:54:08 <Italodance> hello
Apr 07 03:54:23 <Italodance> i need an important help
Apr 07 03:54:35 <Italodance> please read here : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166062#post166062
Apr 07 03:55:00 <Italodance> ?
Apr 07 03:58:05 <Italodance> please for god reply me
Apr 07 04:01:34 <johnx> Italodance, I have no idea what the problem is
Apr 07 04:02:38 <Italodance> johnx yes i don't understand too
Apr 07 04:02:53 <Italodance> tell me is it possible to refresh os2008 again?
Apr 07 04:03:05 <johnx> to just reinstall completely? yes, absolutely
Apr 07 04:03:37 <johnx> it will erase all the applications you have installed but it will restore your N800 to a completely fresh install of OS2008
Apr 07 04:04:01 <Italodance> johnx yes use Nokia Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard and update it to latest version again possible?
Apr 07 04:04:18 <johnx> exactly
Apr 07 04:04:20 <Italodance> from 0s2008 to last version
Apr 07 04:04:27 <WormFood> you're saying when you plug in the charger, the battery status icon disappears?
Apr 07 04:05:11 <Italodance> WormFood no when i plug in the charge the battey icon
Apr 07 04:05:24 <Italodance> won't for up and down
Apr 07 04:06:11 <Italodance> it said charging but not change in icon
Apr 07 04:06:29 <WormFood> the icon does not show that it is charging?
Apr 07 04:06:32 <Italodance> and when the screen goes to dark (agter 10 sec)
Apr 07 04:06:35 <unixSnob> anyone mount their NIT in their car -- without using a suction cup?
Apr 07 04:07:12 <Italodance> and i click on then the battery icon is invisible
Apr 07 04:07:20 <WormFood> unixSnob, I use epoxy ;)
Apr 07 04:07:51 <WormFood> I'm lying....I don't even have a car here (my car is on the other side of the world, and is broken to boot)
Apr 07 04:08:06 <Italodance> :(
Apr 07 04:08:25 <unixSnob> well you apparently don't need it working, from where you are p)
Apr 07 04:08:39 <unixSnob> s/p)/:p/
Apr 07 04:08:39 <infobot> unixSnob meant: well you apparently don't need it working, from where you are :p
Apr 07 04:09:15 <WormFood> unixSnob, you want to use the gps functions in your automobile?
Apr 07 04:09:30 <Italodance> johnx the backup can copy all my games apps...in my internal memory (n mmmc1/2)?
Apr 07 04:09:30 <unixSnob> eventually.. but at the moment surf the web
Apr 07 04:09:50 <unixSnob> I was able to apply for jobs while driving the other day (eeek)
Apr 07 04:10:14 <unixSnob> I also want to get internet radio going
Apr 07 04:10:53 <unixSnob> I intend to use ram-mounts parts to mount it.. but I still need a device holder
Apr 07 04:11:50 <Italodance> :(
Apr 07 04:13:36 <johnx> Italodance, It won't copy your installed apps
Apr 07 04:15:44 <Italodance> johnx ah...:"'(
Apr 07 05:06:30 <Italodance> hello i still need ur help
Apr 07 05:33:49 <Italodance> help
Apr 07 05:39:53 <Italodance> WormFood are u there?
Apr 07 05:40:07 <Italodance> please read my reply http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166095#post166095
Apr 07 07:33:48 <pupnik> my god the open-file dialog is SO BAD
Apr 07 07:34:12 <pupnik> who designs a file browser that only displays three files at a time
Apr 07 07:34:13 <pupnik> ?!?!
Apr 07 07:34:16 <pupnik> THREE
Apr 07 07:34:31 <KotCzarny> probably a blind
Apr 07 07:34:40 <KotCzarny> or a person with math problems
Apr 07 07:34:44 <pupnik> it's not because it's finger-friendly - it can't be used with finger since it uses the typical hildon scrollbar
Apr 07 07:34:45 <KotCzarny> one, two, many
Apr 07 07:34:47 <pupnik> haha
Apr 07 07:35:21 <pupnik> i just... ergh.  can't-- believe--- mind-- must-- take-- chloroform
Apr 07 07:35:40 * pupnik passes out from disbelief
Apr 07 07:36:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 07:38:08 <KotCzarny> as for finger friendliness, probably you can drag everywhere in the window
Apr 07 07:38:15 <KotCzarny> not only in on the scrollbar
Apr 07 07:38:33 <pupnik> you can not
Apr 07 07:38:41 <pupnik> clicking any file hilights it
Apr 07 07:38:47 <pupnik> no drag possible
Apr 07 07:38:49 <KotCzarny> then i agree, bad design.
Apr 07 07:38:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 07:38:58 <KotCzarny> or work in progress
Apr 07 07:49:02 <Italodance> KotCzarny
Apr 07 08:05:44 <hrw> morning
Apr 07 08:05:49 <Spakman> I've been asked to "Hildonize the top menu" in my application, but I don't really know what that means. My app seems to work just like other ones on the IT.
Apr 07 08:05:56 <Spakman> any thoughts?
Apr 07 08:07:15 <Italodance> ?
Apr 07 08:12:14 <hrw> ??
Apr 07 08:14:46 <Italodance> hrw
Apr 07 08:14:52 <Italodance> can u help me now?
Apr 07 08:15:06 <hrw> Italodance: like I wrote before - no idea
Apr 07 08:15:24 <Italodance> hrw that's strange
Apr 07 08:17:14 <hrw> Italodance: I do not have nokia hardware documentation or maemo sources to check what does battery applet do
Apr 07 08:18:16 <Italodance> hrw hardware no! read my topic again
Apr 07 08:18:31 <Italodance> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166095#post166095
Apr 07 08:18:41 <Italodance> read my reply+edit
Apr 07 08:19:13 <Italodance> charge is ok and done
Apr 07 08:19:22 <hrw> Italodance: normally I would say: "use the source Luke" but this is maemo so I do not know does it is open at all
Apr 07 08:19:55 <Italodance> use the source Luke? what is it?
Apr 07 08:21:33 <hrw> heh... I forgets too often that there are more and more people too young to see StarWars...
Apr 07 08:22:04 <Italodance> hrw BAH!
Apr 07 08:23:49 <FunkyPenguin> could someone confirm how simple the porting process is? i would like to port a cli app
Apr 07 08:24:09 <hrw> FunkyPenguin: porting?
Apr 07 08:24:19 <hrw> cli app should just require compiling
Apr 07 08:24:27 <pupnik> Spakman: in hildon, the app menu is activated by clicking in the 'title area' of the un-maximised app
Apr 07 08:24:35 <hrw> gtk apps may need porting
Apr 07 08:24:45 <Italodance> hrw control pannel>tools>restore original settings    can it solve this?
Apr 07 08:24:55 <FunkyPenguin> hrw: well yes that is true, but i would like to be able to offer a package for others to install
Apr 07 08:25:15 <hrw> FunkyPenguin: then compile and build package
Apr 07 08:25:22 <hrw> FunkyPenguin: it is still not porting
Apr 07 08:25:41 <FunkyPenguin> ah ok, my mistake with terminology
Apr 07 08:25:41 <hrw> Italodance: no idea - I am not maemo expert
Apr 07 08:27:37 <FunkyPenguin> so i take it follow the wiki at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html ?
Apr 07 08:28:42 <hrw> probably
Apr 07 08:29:27 <Spakman> pupnik: I don't understand what you mean. The title area of an *un*-maximised app?
Apr 07 08:29:48 <pupnik> i may be using wrong terms sorry
Apr 07 08:30:09 <Spakman> pupnik: what do you mean by "title area"?
Apr 07 08:30:57 <pupnik> http://www.geocities.jp/ono_tetsu/gnocl/doc/hello4.jpg
Apr 07 08:31:13 <pupnik> tapping on helloS.tcl - Hello world brings up the menu
Apr 07 08:31:19 <MangoFusion> who needs the source when they can disassemble and read ARM> ;)
Apr 07 08:31:34 <pupnik> in a regular gtk app, the menus 'file, edit' etc appear in the app window itself
Apr 07 08:32:06 <Spakman> pupnik: ah, that's what I thought. Strange request, my app is already Hildonized. Thanks a lot.
Apr 07 08:37:10 <Spakman> does anyone know how to make my scrollbars wider, a la Modest?
Apr 07 08:45:17 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Apr 07 08:53:35 <Spakman> can someone with an N810 please post the output of /proc/cpuinfo ?
Apr 07 08:54:52 <Spakman> I'm hoping that checking there is a good way to sniff if my application is running on an Internet Tablet or not.
Apr 07 08:55:42 <pupnik> bon dia AD-N770
Apr 07 08:55:47 <Netochka> Hey, does anyone know how to install packages to the nokia n810 if you know the repository and everything? I just want to do like 'apt-get' but I don't know how?
Apr 07 08:56:23 <Netochka> I want to install the hildonmm-dev and hildon-fmmm-dev because my program uses it but I don't know how to install these to the actual device...
Apr 07 08:57:00 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/975095 Spakman
Apr 07 08:57:44 <pupnik> Netochka: apt-get works
Apr 07 08:57:58 <pupnik> the -dev should not be installed to the device
Apr 07 08:58:47 <Netochka> yeah, sorry, just the actual lib, but when I try and do apt-get update it says "unable to lock the list directory'
Apr 07 08:59:02 <pupnik> do you have the application manager open?
Apr 07 08:59:17 <pupnik> it should not be
Apr 07 09:00:22 <Netochka> no, it's not open
Apr 07 09:00:27 <pupnik> are you root?
Apr 07 09:01:40 <Netochka> no, how do you become root on the device?
Apr 07 09:02:37 <pupnik> i did it by installing ssh client and server and ssh-ing to root
Apr 07 09:03:35 <solmumaha> or install becomeroot or easyroot on the device
Apr 07 09:26:08 <FunkyPenguin> how do i get access as root on os2008 on n800?
Apr 07 09:27:10 <Blafasel> We need a factoid in a bot for that question ;)
Apr 07 09:28:27 <Blafasel> FunkyPenguin: SSH or installing one of the specific utilities (easyroot/becomeroot) should work
Apr 07 09:28:53 <FunkyPenguin> Blafasel: would be handy as i have tried to follow items here and there on it with no luck
Apr 07 09:35:19 <Italodance> hrw are u there? it is solved :D
Apr 07 09:37:20 <eichi> hello, i have problems with the display light of the n800
Apr 07 09:37:29 <eichi> it get black
Apr 07 09:37:35 <eichi> allways light on
Apr 07 09:38:24 <hrw> Italodance: grats
Apr 07 09:40:20 <Italodance> :D
Apr 07 09:40:49 <Italodance> hrw read my experience : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166152#post166152
Apr 07 09:40:50 <Italodance> :D
Apr 07 09:41:44 <solmumaha> hrw: speaking of your media player problems, want to test xmms2? it has samba transport and you should be able to add media from samba shares without mounting the share
Apr 07 09:41:58 <solmumaha> and you can create playlists etc
Apr 07 09:42:40 <Italodance> solmumaha xmms2 has any icon for menu?
Apr 07 09:43:24 <Italodance> i installed it but can't find it nowhere,so went for x-term and start it there but that's very ugly there!???? that's the only way for play?
Apr 07 09:44:05 <solmumaha> yes, i quickly hildonized gxmms2
Apr 07 09:44:13 <FunkyPenguin> Blafasel: ok thanks
Apr 07 09:44:22 <solmumaha> but it only allows you to add local files via gui
Apr 07 09:44:38 <Italodance> solmumaha can u reply me?
Apr 07 09:44:57 <solmumaha> so you need to add them from command line, but you only need to do it once, it builds a sqlite database from your media
Apr 07 09:46:19 <FunkyPenguin> Blafasel: neither of those are showing up in app manager, i have red pill mode enabled
Apr 07 09:46:52 <hrw> solmumaha: xmms2?
Apr 07 09:47:14 <Italodance> FunkyPenguin try again
Apr 07 09:47:14 <solmumaha> hrw: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
Apr 07 09:53:48 <Spakman> can someone with an N810 please post the output of /proc/cpuinfo ?
Apr 07 09:56:27 <Blafasel> sry, no way to network with my N810 right now
Apr 07 09:56:56 <Blafasel> Hmm.. I could redirect it to a file and get it via bluetooth/usb though, if it is important?
Apr 07 09:57:37 <hrw> Machine: Nokia RX-44 is what you seek for?
Apr 07 10:00:45 <hrw> Spakman: my n810 require charging
Apr 07 10:01:37 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, if you are there and don't mind me asking, does the xmms fmradio plugin work for the N800 tuner? :)
Apr 07 10:03:26 <solmumaha> Spakman: 12:08 < pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/975095 Spakman
Apr 07 10:05:20 <FunkyPenguin> Italodance: tried and still nothing, i take it it isnt in maemo extras on os2008?
Apr 07 10:06:08 <Spakman> solmumaha: thank you very much!
Apr 07 10:07:33 <Spakman> I'm looking for the best way to detect if my script is running on the tablet or not - any ideas?
Apr 07 10:08:56 <hrw> Spakman: what for?
Apr 07 10:09:49 <hrw> Spakman: ugly way: open /proc/cpuinfo and check for "Nokia (770|N800|RX-44|RX-48)"
Apr 07 10:10:01 <hrw> but I do not see what for such check is needed
Apr 07 10:10:05 <Spakman> I've got a Ruby Gtk/Hildon application that I run on both my tablet and desktop. I need to know what libraries to load
Apr 07 10:10:21 <Spakman> (that is, either gtk2 or hildon)
Apr 07 10:10:43 <Spakman> hrw: that was the ugly way I could see too (uname didn't work).
Apr 07 10:11:01 <Spakman> thanks a lot!
Apr 07 10:11:04 <hrw> Spakman: let me guess... you do not packaged it?
Apr 07 10:11:48 <hrw> heh maemo....
Apr 07 10:12:16 <Spakman> hrw: no, I have packaged it.
Apr 07 10:12:26 <hrw> people doing ugly hacks in software on runtime instead of providing packages FOR DEVICE so no check is needed..
Apr 07 10:12:52 <hrw> it is like mplayer-maemo which check does maemo package is started on maemo device
Apr 07 10:13:06 <hrw> where there is no other maemo devices then nokia tablets
Apr 07 10:13:16 <Jaffa> Spakman: it's also better to check capabilities rather than devices - i.e. try loading Hildon libraries, cos Hildon runs on more than just Nokia Internet Tablets. If it doesn't work, do your other thing
Apr 07 10:13:46 <Spakman> Jaffa, that's a *much* better idea.
Apr 07 10:13:53 <Spakman> I'll do that.
Apr 07 10:16:24 <hrw> so when someone make kernel say "Nokia N810" instead of "Nokia RX-44" in /proc/cpuinfo I wonder how many apps will break
Apr 07 10:23:35 <FunkyPenguin> anyone know if the file system on OS2008 supports colons (:) in file names?
Apr 07 10:24:46 <kulve> touch foo:bar
Apr 07 10:24:49 <kulve> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root            0 Mar 16 07:13 foo:bar
Apr 07 10:25:09 <kulve> but I don't know how it works, if you use it through the hildon FM
Apr 07 10:26:13 <FunkyPenguin> im trying to use it on the cli via an app, and python barfs at me. when i ask the author of the app the only suggestion he had was that
Apr 07 10:26:29 <FunkyPenguin> i'll give something a kick and hope for the best :)
Apr 07 10:52:52 <hrw> FunkyPenguin: os2008 supports it. vfat maybe not
Apr 07 11:09:10 <FunkyPenguin> hrw: thanks
Apr 07 11:38:14 <mbuf> is there any documentation on how to test/debug GPS on the N810? Control panel and GPS location does only search, but, doesn't get any details; Should it be configured?
Apr 07 11:41:22 <kulve> mbuf: go outdoors in a location where you have a good view to the sky and wait 15mins. It should get the fix then.
Apr 07 11:42:30 <anders_> maemo mapper shows sattelite information.
Apr 07 11:42:34 <mbuf> kulve, ohh! so if we have to use it indoors?
Apr 07 11:43:37 <kulve> mbuf: usually even the good GPS devices doesn't work indoors
Apr 07 11:43:43 <mbuf> kulve, ok
Apr 07 11:43:44 <kulve> depends on the indoors of course..
Apr 07 11:44:00 <kulve> s,doesn't,don't,
Apr 07 11:45:07 <kulve> mbuf: it might get fix if you put it right next to a window and there's a good view to the sky from that point
Apr 07 11:45:26 <mbuf> kulve, ok, will try it, thanks
Apr 07 11:45:53 <kulve> but it might take easily over 10mins..
Apr 07 11:46:38 <mbuf> kulve, i can wait
Apr 07 11:47:08 <Blafasel> Patience is a virtue ;)
Apr 07 11:47:26 <eichi_> powerlaunch app su**s
Apr 07 11:48:05 <mbuf> N810 is really cool, compared to the N800
Apr 07 11:49:15 <Navi> It's about the same
Apr 07 11:52:23 <lcuk> apart from the 810 has a keyboard and a screen which works outdoors and a square shape and a part time gps and is 10 more on the model number ...  and uses smaller memory card ...  (tho the dual slots on 800 are good) ... and comes with 2gb onboard
Apr 07 11:52:46 <lcuk> but other than that its the same
Apr 07 11:53:33 <Navi> http://xkcd.com/ <- N810 should come with one of these instead
Apr 07 12:09:33 <skibur> what is better than AVI compresssion?
Apr 07 12:09:41 <skibur> sss
Apr 07 12:11:51 <Italodance> hi
Apr 07 12:13:00 <MangoFusion> better than AVI? errm
Apr 07 12:20:13 <jott> mkv "compression"? ;>
Apr 07 12:22:19 <aquatix> Navi: lol
Apr 07 12:22:23 <aquatix> gotta love xkcd
Apr 07 12:54:51 <hrw> skibur: since when AVI means compression?
Apr 07 12:55:16 <skibur> sorry
Apr 07 12:55:22 <skibur> my bad
Apr 07 12:56:07 <skibur> Since I was compressing my DVD Movies to 650mb, I thought AVI was the compressing instead of a format
Apr 07 12:58:14 <hrw> avi is container
Apr 07 12:58:26 <skibur> yeah, video and audio
Apr 07 12:58:31 <hrw> inside of avi you can have uncompressed bitmaps + pcm sound
Apr 07 12:58:45 <skibur> I see
Apr 07 12:58:53 <hrw> you can also put h.264 with 7.1 sound
Apr 07 12:59:10 <sp3000> and pizza
Apr 07 12:59:15 <hrw> avi, iff, matroska, ogg are containers
Apr 07 12:59:21 <skibur> hum... it will hence my the file larger correct?
Apr 07 12:59:28 <skibur> make
Apr 07 13:01:13 <arodriguez> hello
Apr 07 13:02:14 <skibur> is ogg a better container than avi?
Apr 07 13:02:45 <arodriguez> is ogg a container?
Apr 07 13:06:14 <kulve> it's a container yes
Apr 07 13:08:08 <arodriguez> the container for ogg files was not ogm?
Apr 07 13:08:19 <bilboed-tp> no, ogg is a container format
Apr 07 13:08:40 <arodriguez> ok
Apr 07 13:09:22 <kulve> oggs often contain vorbis (audio), theora (video), speex (speech audio), flac (uncompressed audio)
Apr 07 13:09:25 <kulve> etc
Apr 07 13:10:06 <arodriguez> i've just read
Apr 07 13:10:52 <arodriguez> i suppose that i was mistaken ogg and the vorbis audio format
Apr 07 13:12:39 <FunkyPenguin> how would one format a memory card to ext2 on OS2008? i take it the file manager always formats to vfat?
Apr 07 13:16:30 <Blafasel> mkfs.ext2 ?
Apr 07 13:16:50 <Blafasel> Not sure if it is part of the base distribution, but..
Apr 07 13:17:07 <arodriguez> i think mkfs.ext2 is not in the base dist...
Apr 07 13:18:08 <skibur> hum... what needs to be done to play avi files on a standard DVD player?
Apr 07 13:21:21 <Veggen> skibur: A standard dvd player? like the ones you buy in a hi-fi shop?
Apr 07 13:21:43 <skibur> yes
Apr 07 13:21:46 <skibur> walmart
Apr 07 13:21:57 <skibur> generic
Apr 07 13:22:05 <FunkyPenguin> well i formatted the card using my laptop and filemanager complains it is unable to open it
Apr 07 13:22:52 <Veggen> skibur: uh. not those you have in your computer?
Apr 07 13:23:04 <skibur> correct
Apr 07 13:23:10 <skibur> the home DVD players
Apr 07 13:23:30 <Veggen> oh. Well. What you need, is for the vendor of the DVD player to add support for it.
Apr 07 13:24:22 <Veggen> can't do it yourself. unless you replace the firmware, of course, but most of those boxes aren't open/documented enough for that.
Apr 07 13:26:11 <arodriguez> anyoen knows what is the process that loads the profiles stored in /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP ? I've a script to add profiles automatically, but I have to reboot the device everytime I want it to update the list of the stored connections.
Apr 07 13:48:17 <lopz> hi
Apr 07 13:54:14 <chpo_work> does someone know if the xorg server in maemo is a customized version of X or if it is a standard version ( same as found on anongit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver )?
Apr 07 14:06:51 <inz> chpo, it's a Kdrive derivative
Apr 07 14:08:15 <chpo_work> inz: is it very diferent from Xorg, and from kdrive?
Apr 07 14:10:16 <Navi> kdrive's a low memory X server
Apr 07 14:11:01 <Navi> not that different
Apr 07 14:14:52 <TuxProbe> hiya, im using scratchbox and have the need to use mplayer binaries BUT
Apr 07 14:15:08 <TuxProbe> i get this error from libosso: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libosso.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Invalid argument
Apr 07 14:15:17 <TuxProbe> anyone know of a solution perhaps?
Apr 07 14:17:07 <TuxProbe> if built from scratch, the compile-error is: dsputil.c:3514: internal compiler error: in assign_stack_temp_for_type, at function.c:658
Apr 07 14:21:01 <Navi> armel or i386 binaries in the armel or i386 target?
Apr 07 14:22:07 <hrw> Kdrive is built from same source as normal X.org server
Apr 07 14:22:36 <hrw> TuxProbe: redhat based distro?
Apr 07 14:22:56 <TuxProbe> its scratchbox with debian toolchain
Apr 07 14:23:13 <TuxProbe> and with armel as target
Apr 07 14:23:59 <hrw> and you run it on?
Apr 07 14:24:21 <TuxProbe> just issuing 'mplayer', no arguments and i get the error
Apr 07 14:24:38 <hrw> common problem when scratchbox is running under beos
Apr 07 14:27:37 <TuxProbe> i c.. but i'd like for mplayer to work :)
Apr 07 14:52:28 <TuxProbe> ok, i can build it for x86 it seems - will just have to use that
Apr 07 14:52:46 <Italodance> oh
Apr 07 14:53:00 <Italodance> SKYPE
Apr 07 14:53:12 <Italodance> Make your first call to a phone for free. We’ve given you enough free credit to call a friend in over 30 destinations in the world
Apr 07 14:53:13 <Italodance> :D
Apr 07 15:22:41 <TuxProbe> 36/50 = 0 hmm dont we do floats well? :)
Apr 07 15:25:45 <TuxProbe> then i dont get this: 36/50 = 0
Apr 07 15:26:07 <TuxProbe> when hildon lib uses floats in for instance m_banner->set_fraction(0.2);
Apr 07 15:27:10 <mgedmin> welcome to C
Apr 07 15:27:51 <TuxProbe> ok, its possible to represent a float - but no calculations on it
Apr 07 15:35:40 <TuxProbe> oh, nvm
Apr 07 15:36:23 <qwerty12> Hehe, is the preempt (spelling) broken in the N800's kernel?
Apr 07 15:36:59 <johnx> I don't think so. Why do you say that?
Apr 07 15:37:02 <qwerty12> I just flashed a kernel with it on and it shuts down while execing S60af-base-apps
Apr 07 15:37:19 <johnx> did you rebuild the modules to go with it?
Apr 07 15:37:22 <qwerty12> Also fanoush says that it is enabled in 770 kernel but disabled on N800's
Apr 07 15:37:27 <qwerty12> Nope, eek
Apr 07 15:37:46 <qwerty12> I've just been make menuconfig, make and flasher.
Apr 07 15:37:46 <johnx> hmm...makes sense I guess. I tend to find preempt to be counter-productive on slower systems
Apr 07 15:38:10 <johnx> I flipped on some debugging options once and ended up not able to load any modules. :)
Apr 07 15:38:15 <johnx> been there, done that :D
Apr 07 15:38:39 <qwerty12> Lol, I'm bored so I'm in kernel hacking mode (yes, I'm a sad person) :D
Apr 07 15:39:08 <johnx> heh...I do that too. I wanted to run Intel's powertop but I didn't quite care enough to replace all the modules
Apr 07 15:39:39 * johnx looks at the kernel .config
Apr 07 15:39:58 <johnx> which says: # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
Apr 07 15:40:14 <qwerty12> I did enable some other options though, so I'm restoring from a tarball of a working kernel I have and trying again :)
Apr 07 15:40:16 <qwerty12> Yep :)
Apr 07 15:41:15 <qwerty12> I'm interested because one person says that on 770 video playing can be a bit jerky and fanoush's says it's the preempt option.
Apr 07 15:41:21 <johnx> anyways, having preempt on can reduce latency for some apps, but it results in stuff being slower overall
Apr 07 15:41:44 <qwerty12> ah, ok. thanks for that info
Apr 07 15:42:04 <johnx> dig through the kernel mailing lists for more stuff. overall it's fairly understandable
Apr 07 15:43:58 <red-zack> mh
Apr 07 15:48:07 * towo tips his hat to the crowd.
Apr 07 15:48:22 <qwerty12> Yep, something in af-base-apps is causing the N800 to reboot with just PREEMPT option enabled.
Apr 07 15:48:31 <qwerty12> My N800 gets as far as execing that.
Apr 07 15:48:34 <johnx> hi towo
Apr 07 15:49:26 <johnx> qwerty12, can you manage to copy dmesg to somewhere before it dies? maybe see if it's able to load any modules?
Apr 07 15:50:42 <qwerty12> I have a syslog daemon running but disabled. I can flash standard kernel and enable syslog and reflash preempt kernel and boot and reflash preempt kernel and see syslog output.
Apr 07 15:51:09 <qwerty12> "and boot and reflash preempt kernel and see syslog output." reflash standard 8-)
Apr 07 15:51:24 <johnx> I was just thinking run dmesg 1> /foo 2> /foo somewhere in an init script
Apr 07 15:51:45 <qwerty12> Nice idea :). I'll try it out.
Apr 07 16:03:20 <qwerty12> Ok, I've reenabled syslog and I've set up dmesg to dump output to a file. I've got fanoush's initfs so I can mount rootfs over usb & telnet and take a look at dumps.
Apr 07 16:03:28 <qwerty12> Now I need to flash kernel.
Apr 07 16:03:46 <johnx> just tell the kernel to run
Apr 07 16:03:49 <johnx> no need to flash it
Apr 07 16:03:59 <qwerty12> Oh, yes, thanks.
Apr 07 16:04:03 <johnx> :)
Apr 07 16:06:09 <qwerty12> hehe, I've gone and messed up my N800. I'm gonna have to reflash with keesj's info on mamona wiki. http://pastebin.ca/975465
Apr 07 16:06:52 <qwerty12> No wait, I can flash kernels, just not boot from them.
Apr 07 16:06:54 <johnx> I think that looks about right
Apr 07 16:09:12 <qwerty12> Shitzors, I managed to fully boot this time with kernel, It only rebooted after hildon desktop was running. But you are right, I do notice quite a bit of lag. I'll try running with preempt for fun :)
Apr 07 16:11:40 * towo frowns at the backup feature
Apr 07 16:11:49 <towo> Doesn't export repositories, does it?
Apr 07 16:12:00 <johnx> it doesn't?
Apr 07 16:12:06 <qwerty12> I'm pretty sure it does.
Apr 07 16:12:10 <towo> Mhm.
Apr 07 16:12:17 <qwerty12> Check the backup file when you have made it.
Apr 07 16:12:17 * towo scratches his head.
Apr 07 16:12:21 <qwerty12> It's in a zip file.
Apr 07 16:12:53 <mgedmin> towo: what OS version?
Apr 07 16:12:54 <towo> At least I'm running into problem with some apps (like maemo-mapper etc) (IIRC from the maemo extras rep) that apt fails to install again.
Apr 07 16:13:03 <mgedmin> old versions didn't back up repositories; new versions do
Apr 07 16:13:10 <towo> Just flashed from N810 release to N810 current
Apr 07 16:13:10 <mgedmin> although the restore appears to be somewhat buggy
Apr 07 16:13:30 <mgedmin> e.g. IIRC it did not remember that I had enabled the extras repo
Apr 07 16:13:35 <mgedmin> so I had to go and re-enable it again
Apr 07 16:13:39 <mgedmin> or something like that
Apr 07 16:13:56 <towo> Seems like what's happening here
Apr 07 16:14:05 <mgedmin> no, wait, that's not it... I think my memory card was out of space so it couldn't install anything
Apr 07 16:14:11 <mgedmin> something
Apr 07 16:16:08 <towo> Jup, maemo extras was disabled
Apr 07 16:18:56 <mgedmin> then maybe I had both bugs :)
Apr 07 16:19:19 <mgedmin> I remember that I had to repeat the 'restore applications' step five times or so until I got all of them reinstalled
Apr 07 16:19:38 <qwerty111> mgedmin, same here. App manager would keep closing.
Apr 07 16:20:16 <johnx> yeah, I gave up on their backup tool :/
Apr 07 16:20:18 <mgedmin> mine just gave me detail-free bland error messages and didn't close
Apr 07 16:20:41 <qwerty111> I just kept getting internal errors :\
Apr 07 16:21:12 <phunguy> hey all
Apr 07 16:21:29 <phunguy> question about windows shared folders on the n810
Apr 07 16:21:40 <phunguy> all i seem to see are the shared smb fileshares on my linux boxes
Apr 07 16:21:48 <phunguy> can't see any of the windows ones :/
Apr 07 16:22:01 <johnx> it doesn't show password protected shares, AFAIK
Apr 07 16:22:10 <phunguy> yeah
Apr 07 16:22:21 <phunguy> the windows shares are protected
Apr 07 16:22:23 <phunguy> aren't
Apr 07 16:22:25 <phunguy> *
Apr 07 16:23:37 <mgedmin> phunguy: fwiw I see both kinds
Apr 07 16:23:48 <phunguy> dangit
Apr 07 16:23:49 <mgedmin> well, that's imprecise
Apr 07 16:24:01 <phunguy> also
Apr 07 16:24:03 <mgedmin> I see publicly available shares from both windows xp and linux servers
Apr 07 16:24:08 <mgedmin> on my n810
Apr 07 16:24:13 <phunguy> i'm only seeing shares that are on my hamachi network
Apr 07 16:24:23 <phunguy> :/ maybe if i turn it off i'll see local windows shares
Apr 07 16:24:24 <phunguy> but
Apr 07 16:24:33 <phunguy> the windows boxes are on the hamachi network too :/
Apr 07 16:24:58 <johnx> also, the included smb stuff is pretty flakey
Apr 07 16:25:32 <johnx> hopefully they'll clean it up soon. If you're not afraid of the command line and a text editor you could use smbnetfs
Apr 07 16:25:50 <phunguy> not afraid at all
Apr 07 16:26:08 <phunguy> i just ssh'd in to my n810 and was going to try and mount it from command line
Apr 07 16:26:09 <mgedmin> the flakeyness I noticed was a magic disappearing directory on the server
Apr 07 16:26:17 <johnx> phunguy, Do you know what fuse is?
Apr 07 16:26:17 <mgedmin> that was there on the server but that n810 didn't see
Apr 07 16:26:23 <mgedmin> despite seeing all of its siblings
Apr 07 16:26:29 <phunguy> johnx no
Apr 07 16:26:31 <phunguy> ....
Apr 07 16:26:32 <phunguy> ?
Apr 07 16:26:36 <mgedmin> I don't remember how I managed to trick it into finally seeing it
Apr 07 16:26:45 <johnx> file system in user space, it's what smbnetfs is based on
Apr 07 16:26:48 <johnx> let me find the packages
Apr 07 16:26:54 <phunguy> k
Apr 07 16:27:25 <phunguy> my linux (debian boxes) are running smbfs shares that my n810 can see
Apr 07 16:27:29 <phunguy> but they are at remote locations
Apr 07 16:27:52 <phunguy> i'm trying to locate my windows box to test wifi divx streaming
Apr 07 16:28:00 <phunguy> ^ anyone know if that works well/
Apr 07 16:28:33 <johnx> should work fine. adds a bit of overhead
Apr 07 16:28:40 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 07 16:28:48 <johnx> hi
Apr 07 16:28:52 <qwerty111> Hi
Apr 07 16:29:08 <mgedmin> mp3 playing from smb shares works pretty well (except that the n810 gets noticeably warm)
Apr 07 16:29:10 <Khertan> Is the web applet to push debian packages in extras-devel repository is still developped ?
Apr 07 16:29:30 <Khertan> no news about it
Apr 07 16:31:07 <MangoFusion> mgedmin: sounds great. mp3 player and a portable heater at the same time! ;)
Apr 07 16:31:28 <qwerty111> Where can I buy one?
Apr 07 16:33:02 <qwerty111> johnx, all I could dump from the preempt kernel was this syslog : http://pastebin.ca/975500
Apr 07 16:35:19 <qwerty111> All I can make out is that mce is messing up. I wonder what would happen if I used powerlaunch instead...
Apr 07 16:36:04 <fysa> phunguy, check out Tiversity
Apr 07 16:36:15 <johnx> and upnp
Apr 07 16:36:18 <fysa> Tiversity + Video Center + mplayer should work well
Apr 07 16:36:31 <fysa> as well as mediaserv + video center + mplayer anyway
Apr 07 16:37:14 <johnx> qwerty111, if you manage to run lsmod > /output I bet you'll see that no modules get loaded. wlancond seems to be upset. I bet that's cause it can't find wlan0
Apr 07 16:37:37 <Italodance> hi johnx
Apr 07 16:37:46 <Italodance> my problem is solved :D
Apr 07 16:37:54 <johnx> great
Apr 07 16:38:08 <qwerty111> Hmm, "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled." Sounds a bit ominous.
Apr 07 16:38:12 <phunguy> fysa> i've run tiversity before
Apr 07 16:38:20 <phunguy> i would much rather find the windows shares
Apr 07 16:38:28 <fysa> basically, here's my problem--
Apr 07 16:38:38 <fysa> If I copy a divx to my device, it plays mostly fine with mplayer
Apr 07 16:38:47 <fysa> but the overhead of streaming causes that same divx to skip
Apr 07 16:38:55 <fysa> (extra CPU usage on the N800)
Apr 07 16:39:06 <fysa> so now for streaming, I use mediaserv to transcode in real-time down a bit
Apr 07 16:39:11 <fysa> to cover that overhead
Apr 07 16:39:37 <fysa> much of what I was trying to watch was right on-the-edge, performance wise
Apr 07 16:39:46 <fysa> and it lead to much frustration ;)
Apr 07 16:39:57 <phunguy> so now you use tiversity
Apr 07 16:40:00 <phunguy> ?
Apr 07 16:40:01 <fysa> so keep that in mind, streaming smb is good and worth trying
Apr 07 16:40:15 <fysa> but real-time transcoding may be the only way to get everything working consistently
Apr 07 16:40:28 <fysa> yeah.  I use mediaserv, which is similar but for Linux
Apr 07 16:41:04 <fysa> http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=63&story=Mediaserv_0.04
Apr 07 16:41:07 <fysa> whoops.
Apr 07 16:41:07 <fysa> http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=63&story=Mediaserv_0.04
Apr 07 16:41:20 <fysa> "Video Center" lets you subscribe to RSS feeds of videos.
Apr 07 16:41:26 <fysa> so you would setup the feed with tversity
Apr 07 16:41:29 <fysa> then subscribe with Video Center
Apr 07 16:41:35 <fysa> then configure Video Center to play with mplayer
Apr 07 16:41:39 <fysa> mplayer has the best playback performance
Apr 07 16:42:09 <fysa> then you load up Video Center, see a "My Videos" feed and just hit play.
Apr 07 16:42:11 <fysa> it works pretty well.
Apr 07 16:42:22 <phunguy> ok
Apr 07 16:42:25 <fysa> and because you're transcoding already, you could always set it up for ultra-lowbandwidth -- i.e., youj're out of town
Apr 07 16:42:32 <fysa> you can stream to your hotel room or the airport..
Apr 07 16:42:45 <phunguy> that would be good for divx streaming.. but on top.. i'd still like smb axx
Apr 07 16:42:55 <fysa> anyway, after many weekends and hours of fighting..
Apr 07 16:42:58 <fysa> right
Apr 07 16:43:18 <Khertan> I do some python applet and make it available to all and some user find the time to complain about that i must make a repo ... blablabla ... all of this because they haven't install extras-devel repository ...
Apr 07 16:43:21 <fysa> I think someone makes a real smbfs kernel module
Apr 07 16:43:44 <fysa> http://74.86.202.247/forums/showthread.php?t=11836&page=3
Apr 07 16:43:54 <Khertan> i take more times to upload and send it to maemo.org than to dev ...
Apr 07 16:44:31 <fysa> this will let you mount the windows boxes as a /mnt/mymedia
Apr 07 16:44:36 <Khertan> this don't enjoy me to do do it next times !
Apr 07 16:44:52 <Khertan> i think i ll give thing for me ...
Apr 07 16:45:02 <Khertan> or make it shareware
Apr 07 16:45:05 <fysa> :)
Apr 07 16:46:42 <Webstrand> I have just bought a used nokia, it has OS 2008 on it, and the password for the root user isnt 'rootme'. I have access to /etc/passwd, but i'm not sure what to do now to recover/change the root password.
Apr 07 16:47:01 <Khertan> flash it ...
Apr 07 16:47:07 <red-zack> flash it
Apr 07 16:47:10 <qwerty111> becomeroot, easyroot, rootsh , openssh are all ways of getting in w/out password
Apr 07 16:47:11 <mgedmin> Webstrand: OS2008 has no root password out of the box
Apr 07 16:47:14 <mgedmin> and flashing wont' help
Apr 07 16:47:15 <red-zack> or try gainroot
Apr 07 16:47:18 <mgedmin> install openssh-server
Apr 07 16:47:20 <qwerty111> then just run passwd
Apr 07 16:47:26 <mgedmin> it will ask you to define a root password during install time
Apr 07 16:47:34 <red-zack> or try gainroot and then try passwd
Apr 07 16:47:56 <mgedmin> yeah, gainroot is an alternative if you want to muck with usb cables, flasher and --enable-rd-mode
Apr 07 16:48:07 * mgedmin dislikes mucking with cables
Apr 07 16:48:21 <tank-man> you dont need cables for gainroot
Apr 07 16:48:33 <red-zack> dl it, run it
Apr 07 16:48:35 <tank-man> just edit it to not check for R+D mode
Apr 07 16:49:06 <qwerty111> But you need to be root to edit that file?
Apr 07 16:49:08 <Webstrand> well the password isnt blank, and i cant login w/ ssh without the password
Apr 07 16:49:27 <pumpkin|zz> is there a way to open a stream (tcp-like) socket over a bluetooth link?
Apr 07 16:49:44 <Webstrand> well, thanks i'll re-flash it
Apr 07 16:49:53 <johnx> Webstrand, when you install openssh-server it will prompt you to change the password
Apr 07 16:50:18 <johnx> I think the root account on OS2008 may be locked, ie the password doesn't match anything
Apr 07 16:50:35 <Webstrand> i used dropbear does that make a difference?
Apr 07 16:50:51 <mgedmin> no password != blank password; I meant it in the sense of 'account is locked'
Apr 07 16:50:54 <johnx> yeah, the dropbear install won't prompt you to change the password
Apr 07 16:51:00 <mgedmin> dropbear doesn't have the convenience dialog for you
Apr 07 16:51:09 <pumpkin|zz> I found something called BTHPROTO_RFCOMM in winsock, but haven't been able to find anything similar for linux/maemo
Apr 07 16:51:29 <mgedmin> installing becomeroot is another alternative
Apr 07 16:52:18 <Webstrand> become rood didnt work, command not found
Apr 07 16:52:24 <Webstrand> become root*
Apr 07 16:52:40 <tank-man> try sudo gainroot
Apr 07 16:53:09 <red-zack> its the third time i told you, just use gainroot....
Apr 07 16:53:16 <tank-man> then sudo make me a sandwich
Apr 07 16:53:33 <red-zack> me too please
Apr 07 16:53:44 <Webstrand> it says "Eneable RD mode if you want to break your device."
Apr 07 16:53:55 <pumpkin> anyone have any idea on how to do what I need? :)
Apr 07 16:54:12 <johnx> pumpkin, what are you trying to do?
Apr 07 16:54:33 <pumpkin> open a socket over bluetooth
Apr 07 16:54:37 <red-zack> pumpkin: nobody know what ASgsdfgsdgS is about ;)
Apr 07 16:54:49 <pumpkin> a stream socket, ideally
Apr 07 16:55:06 <red-zack> mh, dinner, afk
Apr 07 16:55:12 <Khertan> bye
Apr 07 16:55:27 <johnx> Webstrand, I think he means install the gainroot package
Apr 07 16:55:32 <johnx> pumpkin, like bluetooth PAN?
Apr 07 16:56:01 <pumpkin> johnx: yeah, I've found a blurb on google on how to do it on windows, but haven't been able to find similar documentation for anything else
Apr 07 16:56:40 <johnx> I don't know maybe google for: bluetooth pan linux
Apr 07 16:56:50 <johnx> then pickup the bluetooth pan package for maemo from the itt forums
Apr 07 16:57:14 <pumpkin> ah, I was looking at it wrong
Apr 07 16:57:41 <s33ds> heya, any hildon-api gurus inhere?
Apr 07 16:57:46 <pumpkin> PAN just sets up ip over bluetooth, so I wouldn't have to do my code any differently... I was thinking I needed a special kind of socket/address family or something :)
Apr 07 16:57:47 <pumpkin> thanks
Apr 07 16:57:55 <johnx> isn't rfcomm a serial thing?
Apr 07 16:59:00 <pumpkin> yeah, I guess it's possible to open a socket to another bluetooth device in windows without having the ip layer
Apr 07 16:59:31 <johnx> yeah, there's lots of interesting non-IP stuff you can do over bluetooth. but PAN seems nice and convenient
Apr 07 16:59:48 <pumpkin> yeah, I think I'll stick with that, thanks :) simplifies my code and makes it more generic, anyway
Apr 07 16:59:53 <johnx> sure :)
Apr 07 17:01:00 <pumpkin> oh it says the maemo PAN needs OS 2008
Apr 07 17:01:09 <pumpkin> can I install that on my n800? I'm still running something old :P
Apr 07 17:01:18 <johnx> of course :)
Apr 07 17:01:25 * pumpkin trembles
Apr 07 17:01:31 <pumpkin> will I need a whole new scratchbox installation?
Apr 07 17:01:37 <johnx> er...yeah
Apr 07 17:01:44 * pumpkin dies
Apr 07 17:01:45 <pumpkin> okay :)
Apr 07 17:01:46 <pumpkin> thanks
Apr 07 17:01:55 <johnx> but OS2008 is waaay nicer
Apr 07 17:02:03 <pumpkin> sweet
Apr 07 17:02:08 <johnx> even the CPU goes faster :D
Apr 07 17:02:17 <pumpkin> nice :) how much faster? :o
Apr 07 17:02:26 <pumpkin> I'll keep that as my light at the end of the tunnel
Apr 07 17:02:27 <johnx> (honestly, they clock the CPU up from 320MHz to 400MHz)
Apr 07 17:02:35 <pumpkin> while struggling with scratchbox
Apr 07 17:02:37 <pumpkin> cool
Apr 07 17:03:10 <johnx> yeah, there have been a lot of neat apps lately. completely worth it. Are you on Debian/Ubuntu?
Apr 07 17:03:35 <pumpkin> I can be, I have a VM for it
Apr 07 17:04:05 <johnx> if you want to do things in a vm you can grab the prepared vmware scratchbox image
Apr 07 17:04:10 <pumpkin> ooh
Apr 07 17:04:32 <pumpkin> actually, is there an apt package for ubuntu that just installs maemo and scratchbox for me?
Apr 07 17:04:52 <pumpkin> because I have another premade vm image I'd like to install it on
Apr 07 17:04:56 <s33ds> im wondering, the hildon_banner_show_animation, whether the 'animation_name' parameter is a filename or stock-item-name?
Apr 07 17:05:01 <pumpkin> that has another development kid I need for the same project
Apr 07 17:05:38 <johnx> well the nokia scratchbox installer uses .debs, but there are some stuff it wants to install with a script instead of as a .deb
Apr 07 17:05:49 <pumpkin> ah
Apr 07 17:06:18 <johnx> anyways, it's not *that bad*
Apr 07 17:06:21 <pumpkin> :)
Apr 07 17:06:38 <johnx> everyone seems to hate it but I've never had a lot of pain from it, just a lot of waiting as it downloads tons of stuff
Apr 07 17:06:50 <pumpkin> I just didn't like the old 3.1->3.2 thingy
Apr 07 17:06:56 <pumpkin> I'm assuming that I'd grab 4.0 now
Apr 07 17:07:15 <johnx> yeah, or 4.0.1
Apr 07 17:07:27 <pumpkin> whaa, maemo.org/downloads gives me a big error lol
Apr 07 17:07:36 <johnx> (or is 4.0.1 an upgrade only...I don't remember)
Apr 07 17:08:45 <johnx> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_chinook_sdk.html
Apr 07 17:13:43 <mwaldron> will a reflash using nokia's windows loader restore my ability to boot from internal flash (i appear to have broke that ability while trying to get booting from a card to work. I can boot from teh card, but I can't boot if I remove it)
Apr 07 17:14:09 <johnx> yes
Apr 07 17:14:32 <mwaldron> and I assume it will remove my ability to boot from a card, correct?
Apr 07 17:14:53 <johnx> yes, until you reinstall the bootmenu
Apr 07 17:14:58 <mwaldron> ok
Apr 07 17:15:03 <mwaldron> I'm not sure i need the bootmenu :)
Apr 07 17:15:24 <mwaldron> i'm giving up on VPN, and playing with that was the main reason for teh botmenu
Apr 07 17:17:07 <tank-man> try this command from the device "chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device flash" to boot from flash
Apr 07 17:17:26 <tank-man> i got that from http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/
Apr 07 17:19:39 <mwaldron> i think i've messed this up enough I justneed to start from scratch
Apr 07 17:19:48 <mwaldron> it's not the device to learn teh underpinnings of linux with :)
Apr 07 17:20:00 <johnx> it really isn't. :)
Apr 07 17:20:42 <mwaldron> if it just supported pptp out of the box i'd be estatic. it does everythine else i need, i just need support to talk to my home (and work) network
Apr 07 17:21:05 <johnx> didn't someone get pptp/mppe working?
Apr 07 17:21:17 <mwaldron> yes, requires kernel hacks and lots of modules
Apr 07 17:21:34 <mwaldron> I switched it to boot from mmc so i'd have a fallback when i fucked that up. which i did :P
Apr 07 17:21:40 <mwaldron> then realized i can't boot internal :)
Apr 07 17:21:57 <mwaldron> not a very good fallback
Apr 07 17:22:37 <mwaldron> i hate being a newb
Apr 07 17:23:19 <johnx> we were all newbs at everything once :)
Apr 07 17:23:20 <mwaldron> i'm very nearly ready to sell it and get a m1330
Apr 07 17:23:58 <johnx> I'm pretty sure there are some fairly embarassing postings to a mailing-list or forum that I made when I was just starting out with Linux
Apr 07 17:24:24 <johnx> yeah, the N8x0 isn't for everyone
Apr 07 17:24:44 <mwaldron> i can deal with it, i had it all awesomly setup
Apr 07 17:24:53 <mwaldron> then i embarked down the vpn path
Apr 07 17:25:21 <johnx> so you have everything all nice and setup on internal flash, but you can't boot it?
Apr 07 17:25:46 <johnx> try that command that tank-man said. you'll only need to run it once to know if it works
Apr 07 17:25:48 <mwaldron> well when i decided to boot from mmc i lost all that
Apr 07 17:25:58 <mwaldron> i did try it, it gave no output and i still couldn't boot
Apr 07 17:26:03 <johnx> ah :/
Apr 07 17:26:06 * mgedmin does not trust the internal flash
Apr 07 17:26:07 <mwaldron> it just goesi nto a reset loop
Apr 07 17:26:40 <johnx> can you still boot from the sd card?
Apr 07 17:26:45 <mwaldron> yes
Apr 07 17:26:49 <johnx> hmm
Apr 07 17:27:04 <mwaldron> and when the sd card is in i can boot from fash in the boot manager
Apr 07 17:27:24 <mwaldron> but when the sd card is out and i select flash from teh menu, i get reset loop
Apr 07 17:27:30 <johnx> O_o
Apr 07 17:27:43 <mwaldron> i'm trying to get it to boot usb mode for sw update now :) that's even proving difficult
Apr 07 17:28:10 <johnx> want to pastebin your /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf for me to look at?
Apr 07 17:28:54 <mwaldron> that's ok
Apr 07 17:29:18 <mwaldron> i appriciate it, but i'm pretty happy with restoring and setting it up to work more within the parameters it was supposed to work. maybe i'll play a bit with kernels beforE I conf it again
Apr 07 17:29:43 <mwaldron> maybe i'll try ssh tunnel to get to home network :)
Apr 07 17:29:59 <johnx> those are at least nice because they're all in userspace :)
Apr 07 17:30:04 <mwaldron> yep
Apr 07 17:30:09 <johnx> you can do some really fun stuff too :D
Apr 07 17:30:17 <mwaldron> we use ms vpn here at work too though
Apr 07 17:30:34 <mwaldron> so i'm giving that up which kinda sucks. would be nice to reset users pw's from my pocket :P
Apr 07 17:30:40 <johnx> yeah, I remember trying to get on pptp/mppe networks with my zaurus. not that fun
Apr 07 17:30:52 <mwaldron> i miss palmos
Apr 07 17:31:00 <mwaldron> hell i miss hp200 and newton :P
Apr 07 17:31:30 <johnx> PalmOS had a lot going for it. and I really wish I had a chance to try NewtonOS on a MessagePad
Apr 07 17:31:43 <johnx> but in the end, PalmOS has some pretty big limitations
Apr 07 17:31:54 <mwaldron> I have drawers full of palms still. they're wonderful devices. tehy tried to outgrow their design though.
Apr 07 17:32:19 * mwaldron misses the frantic evenings of trying to graft a CF card into palmos
Apr 07 17:32:23 <mwaldron> those were fund ays
Apr 07 17:32:24 <mwaldron> days
Apr 07 17:32:39 <johnx> There's not really room for a PDA that can't surf the web *really well* though
Apr 07 17:32:54 <mwaldron> it's called a umpc :P
Apr 07 17:33:00 <johnx> exactly
Apr 07 17:33:01 <mwaldron> if they get the size down just a little more...
Apr 07 17:33:09 <mwaldron> and of course price is an isue
Apr 07 17:33:10 <mwaldron> issud
Apr 07 17:33:15 <mwaldron> issue
Apr 07 17:33:21 <johnx> even MIDs, UMPSs and NITs are still a pretty niche market I think
Apr 07 17:33:40 <johnx> and will be for a while
Apr 07 17:33:53 <mwaldron> problem is if I get a laptop I want a beast of a machine in a umpc form factor
Apr 07 17:34:13 <mwaldron> so by getting an IT i know it's not going to ever run 5 instances of starcraft2 :P
Apr 07 17:34:18 <mwaldron> so i'm happier overall
Apr 07 17:34:19 <johnx> heh
Apr 07 17:34:33 <johnx> yeah, I'm really happy with my N800 for what it is
Apr 07 17:34:38 <mwaldron> my xps 1710 is a grat machine, but i'm tired of carrying it
Apr 07 17:34:44 <johnx> O_o
Apr 07 17:34:52 <mwaldron> when now a days i use it mostly for rdc and ssh
Apr 07 17:35:01 <mwaldron> and 2 instances of evercrack
Apr 07 17:35:10 <johnx> reminds me of my notebook ("WARNING! HOT! don't put it on your lap")
Apr 07 17:35:21 <mwaldron> heh yep
Apr 07 17:35:50 <mwaldron> there is a reason why the vents glow red.. even with the LEDs off
Apr 07 17:36:04 <johnx> mine weighs 10 freaking pounds. and the CPU gets right up to 95C
Apr 07 17:36:12 <mwaldron> yep, sounds like my 1710 :)
Apr 07 17:36:20 <mwaldron> but what a powerhouse it was (when new)
Apr 07 17:36:28 <johnx> except mine is an old P4 :P
Apr 07 17:36:38 <mwaldron> so what if you need a small nuclear reactor in your backpack to carry it :)
Apr 07 17:36:55 <johnx> anyways, it helps me appreciate my N800 even more
Apr 07 17:37:03 <mwaldron> yep
Apr 07 17:37:26 <mwaldron> my 810 has been 'broke' with me working on this for 2 weeks now, i kind of missed it
Apr 07 17:37:53 <mwaldron> i'm hoping it works with inotes8 better than inotes6. then i can at least to email for work
Apr 07 17:38:04 <mwaldron> and i won't have to take my notebook to boston next month
Apr 07 17:38:10 <johnx> inotes?
Apr 07 17:38:21 <mwaldron> domino web access client. it's webmail for lotus notes
Apr 07 17:38:25 <johnx> ah
Apr 07 17:38:34 <johnx> you can't get at imap without vpn?
Apr 07 17:38:38 <mwaldron> no
Apr 07 17:38:42 <johnx> pain
Apr 07 17:38:45 <mwaldron> firewall firewall firewall
Apr 07 17:38:51 <johnx> (and paranoia)
Apr 07 17:38:57 <mwaldron> financial
Apr 07 17:39:01 <mwaldron> well, sorta
Apr 07 17:39:01 <johnx> fair enough
Apr 07 17:39:04 <mwaldron> 1/2 of the company is
Apr 07 17:39:16 <mwaldron> my 1/2 not, but we still get paranoia...
Apr 07 17:39:47 <johnx> it's fairly reasonable in that case I guess
Apr 07 17:40:30 <mwaldron> that's why i want vpn for walking aroundthe building, we have wifi coverage of most of it, but it's on the otehr side of the wall
Apr 07 17:40:44 <johnx> (which also makes sense)
Apr 07 17:40:53 <mwaldron> certainly
Apr 07 17:41:04 <mwaldron> woo it's booting again (without card installed)
Apr 07 17:41:11 <johnx> good
Apr 07 17:41:31 <johnx> if a reflash didn't fix that it would be "send it back to Nokia" time anyways
Apr 07 17:42:08 <mwaldron> i suppose they didn't have room for a jtag header in there :)
Apr 07 17:42:15 <johnx> they do. :D
Apr 07 17:42:18 <johnx> it's behind the battery
Apr 07 17:42:25 <mwaldron> oh
Apr 07 17:42:26 <mwaldron> cool!
Apr 07 17:42:42 * mwaldron thinks nokia designed the tardis
Apr 07 17:42:53 <johnx> I don't know if anyone has used it yet, outside of Nokia
Apr 07 17:43:52 <johnx> these things are actually somewhat hard to brick unless you do something really silly
Apr 07 17:46:56 <mwaldron> good to know
Apr 07 17:49:06 <mwaldron> if i do keep this think i'm going to have to get an apple wireless keyobard
Apr 07 17:49:12 <mwaldron> this logitech dinovo is too large
Apr 07 17:50:04 <johnx> what about the foldable igo stowaway ones?
Apr 07 17:50:57 * mwaldron googles
Apr 07 17:51:06 <mwaldron> omg i remember that design
Apr 07 17:51:13 <johnx> exactly
Apr 07 17:51:29 <johnx> I was looking at one for my Visor Prism, back in the day
Apr 07 17:51:37 <mwaldron> i worked on that :P
Apr 07 17:51:48 <mwaldron> the old PPK
Apr 07 17:51:59 <johnx> hmm? you worked on the design for it?
Apr 07 17:52:10 <mwaldron> the software actually
Apr 07 17:52:14 <johnx> ahaha
Apr 07 17:52:17 <johnx> that's awesome
Apr 07 17:52:32 <mwaldron> part of team anyway
Apr 07 17:52:45 <johnx> the bluetooth ones were cheap for a while, but apparently they got discontinued and the price shot up
Apr 07 17:52:54 <mwaldron> $50 not bad
Apr 07 17:52:59 <mwaldron> apple wants 80
Apr 07 17:53:00 <johnx> definitely not
Apr 07 17:53:05 <mwaldron> what powers it? AAA's?
Apr 07 17:53:15 <mwaldron> nevermind
Apr 07 17:53:16 <mwaldron> i'll rtfm
Apr 07 17:53:19 <johnx> I don't honestly know :)
Apr 07 17:53:34 * johnx cheaped out and bought a mini-usb keyboard
Apr 07 17:53:46 <mwaldron> amazon has igo bt for $43.95
Apr 07 17:53:59 <johnx> a nevermind, that's about as cheap as they ever were
Apr 07 17:54:21 <johnx> they're not going to get cheaper than that I think
Apr 07 17:54:51 <mwaldron> i'm gonna go home out and try my palm version of that, if i like the keys i'll order one
Apr 07 17:55:31 <johnx> talking about it makes me tempted to order one and have it shipped to a friend in the US to hold onto
Apr 07 17:55:46 <johnx> it's way to handy a thing for them to just discontinue it O_o
Apr 07 17:56:41 <mwaldron> heh
Apr 07 17:57:40 <mwaldron> ouch
Apr 07 17:57:47 <mwaldron> i need to readd all my repositories h8
Apr 07 18:04:43 <johnx> anyways, time for me to sleep
Apr 07 18:04:45 <johnx> 'night all
Apr 07 18:05:06 <mwaldron> night,t hanks for the help
Apr 07 18:05:14 <johnx> sure :)
Apr 07 18:23:14 * pupnik holds a bloody crysknife in the air and shouts "Muad'Dib!!!"
Apr 07 18:23:29 <s33ds>  who is maintaining the maemomm reference manual?
Apr 07 18:27:48 <inz> damnit, those two lines should've been in reverse order
Apr 07 18:29:32 <pupnik> hahaha
Apr 07 18:29:48 <pH5> pupnik: so what's that all about? just finished the dune port? :-P
Apr 07 18:30:16 <procto> Dune I or II?
Apr 07 18:30:19 <pupnik> no i was just thinking of the litany of beer
Apr 07 18:30:24 <pupnik> Beer is the mind-killer.
Apr 07 18:30:27 <pupnik> Beer is the little death that brings total obliteration.
Apr 07 18:30:29 <pupnik> I will face my beer.
Apr 07 18:30:32 <pupnik> I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
Apr 07 18:30:36 <pupnik> And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Apr 07 18:30:39 <pupnik> Where the beer has gone there will be nothing.
Apr 07 18:30:42 <pupnik> Only I will remain.
Apr 07 18:31:37 <pH5> heh, wonder why I never heard of that before :)
Apr 07 18:31:52 <mwaldron> you did. but beer is the mind killer.
Apr 07 18:32:25 <pupnik> lol
Apr 07 18:32:31 <pH5> lol indeed
Apr 07 18:38:00 <pumpkin> hmm
Apr 07 18:38:11 <pumpkin> I'm trying to install the maemo 4.0.1 SDK
Apr 07 18:38:24 <pumpkin> but it says that I need to complete the scratchbox installation first
Apr 07 18:38:28 <pumpkin> but I just finished it
Apr 07 18:39:03 <pumpkin> it says it can't find the devkit perl
Apr 07 18:40:30 <pupnik> http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/10/installing-maemo-sdk-4-beta.html
Apr 07 18:40:53 <pupnik> see second comment pumpkin
Apr 07 18:40:55 <pumpkin> I was just following the INSTALL instructions on the page
Apr 07 18:40:56 <pumpkin> ok
Apr 07 18:41:11 <pumpkin> aha:
Apr 07 18:41:13 <pumpkin> thanks :)
Apr 07 18:41:46 <pupnik> i don't know if it's correct, i just googled
Apr 07 18:42:01 <pumpkin> I'll give it a go
Apr 07 18:42:08 <pumpkin> sorry, I should've done that
Apr 07 18:52:06 <Hrw> hi
Apr 07 18:52:38 <Hrw> does someone here use omweather?
Apr 07 18:52:47 <procto> I do
Apr 07 18:54:05 <Ward1983> im reading this page: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html (i found it while looking for arm-gcc-gnu-linux-armel)
Apr 07 18:54:12 <Ward1983> but it says: * GCC armel cross-compiler 4.2.1 (with some patches)
Apr 07 18:54:15 <mwaldron> i do, or i will again when it finsihes downloading
Apr 07 18:54:26 <Hrw> when you go to prefs does "add station" dialog has lists to choose from?
Apr 07 18:54:28 <Ward1983> where can i read about what patches are applied?
Apr 07 18:54:30 <||cw> so, anyone up for quake3 on an IT?  someone's ported it to ipod touch
Apr 07 18:54:49 <Ward1983> lol funny
Apr 07 18:54:59 <lcuk> ||cw, sore subject lol
Apr 07 18:55:26 * lcuk bangs his nokia on the desk in the hopes that the bits land in a pvr arrangement
Apr 07 18:56:13 * Ward1983 stops lcuk from abusing his phone
Apr 07 18:56:34 <Hrw> ||cw without 3d no luck with quake3 rather
Apr 07 18:58:36 <mwaldron> wasn't someone workin on starcraft port?
Apr 07 18:59:00 <Hrw> without 3d in hardware?
Apr 07 18:59:05 <towo> starcraft is 2d
Apr 07 18:59:15 <towo> (yes, it's THAT old.)
Apr 07 18:59:21 <mwaldron> heh yeah
Apr 07 18:59:34 <towo> And 640x480, IIRC
Apr 07 18:59:37 <mwaldron> next we'll get a commander keen engine running :)
Apr 07 18:59:56 <towo> Well, ScummVM got ported. I'm happy. ;)
Apr 07 19:00:01 <wom-> steel panthers would be nice
Apr 07 19:00:13 <wom-> or is it already with some emu
Apr 07 19:01:46 <||cw> commander keen was awesome
Apr 07 19:02:09 <Hrw> o yes
Apr 07 19:02:12 <mwaldron> indeed
Apr 07 19:02:19 <Hrw> i duke nukem 2d
Apr 07 19:05:01 <MangoFusion> perhaps if someone wrote a really optimized software renderer for quake 3 in pure ARM, then maybe you'd get quake3 on an IT
Apr 07 19:05:22 <Hrw> i doubt
Apr 07 19:05:30 <MangoFusion> haha yes
Apr 07 19:05:51 <keesj> I would already be happy with games my kids can play
Apr 07 19:06:00 <Hrw> 2420 can have nice 3d acceleration
Apr 07 19:06:02 <MangoFusion> in that case then you could run blind
Apr 07 19:06:15 <MangoFusion> who needs to see where your opponents are anyway? :P
Apr 07 19:06:20 <Hrw> opengl es works on other 2420 devices
Apr 07 19:06:21 <MangoFusion> blindfold quake
Apr 07 19:07:17 <Hrw> so should also on nokia tablets. but this probably will not happen due to license problems probably
Apr 07 19:30:28 <DaniloCesar> lmoura, Do you know something about opencv Lauro? A friend show me it, and it's very impressive. If you are still working with image stuffs, probably you will like of it...
Apr 07 19:30:47 <DaniloCesar> lmoura, It've python bindings....
Apr 07 19:32:49 <lmoura> DaniloCesar, cool :D
Apr 07 19:33:56 <DaniloCesar> lmoura, are you working with computing-vision yet?
Apr 07 19:34:06 <lmoura> not much
Apr 07 19:34:23 <lmoura> currently image processing and computer graphics
Apr 07 19:34:56 <Navi> Hardware acceleration on the N800 wouldn't be spectactular
Apr 07 19:35:08 <Navi> of graphics, that is
Apr 07 19:35:20 <crashanddie> anyone know if there are any default xpm shipped with hildon/maemo ?
Apr 07 19:35:28 <Navi> Like, what's the highest resolution the PowerVR can output, only QVGA?
Apr 07 19:36:11 <jott> opencv is nice indeed - i wonder if there are any arm optimization in it - it's more of an intel supported thing ;)
Apr 07 19:36:57 <DaniloCesar> lmoura, I saw an example of opencv beeing used to do Face Recognizement.... It's very good. It have some functions to help with Image Processing too....
Apr 07 19:38:57 <Hrw> Navi: vga for sure it can
Apr 07 19:39:26 <Hrw> wvga is possible too
Apr 07 19:47:32 <mwaldron> there was a website for maemo with repository links, for stuff like gainroot/etc. anyone know offhand what that site is?
Apr 07 19:47:48 <mwaldron> i have it bookmarked at home but my over the weekend avg upgrade reset my firewall rules
Apr 07 19:48:37 <solmumaha> http://gronmayer.com/it
Apr 07 19:49:06 <mwaldron> that'sit. thank you
Apr 07 20:01:27 <lcuk> navi, 640*480 isnt to be sniffed at - its still worlds ahead of anything else and the pixels on this device are so small it barely matters
Apr 07 20:02:38 <pH5> I'd be happy with 400x240 if I could only turn that damn thing on somehow.
Apr 07 20:02:53 <lcuk> here here
Apr 07 20:03:12 <lcuk> it would give back so much of the rendering timeslice
Apr 07 20:03:17 <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18802
Apr 07 20:03:23 <unique311> thats really cool...
Apr 07 20:03:29 <unique311> for those who use grandcentral
Apr 07 20:05:07 <lcuk> i wonder if it would be possible to coerce the dsp into doing 3d transformations ;)
Apr 07 20:06:03 <lcuk> ph5, did you give up with the 2430 thing?
Apr 07 20:07:16 <pH5> lcuk: no, but there wasn't much progress.
Apr 07 20:07:50 <lcuk> nm, it will come together eventually
Apr 07 20:35:24 <phunguy_n810> hey all
Apr 07 20:39:56 <ryoohki> can a os2008 machine be hibernated to the sd card?
Apr 07 20:43:24 <yabbas> no
Apr 07 20:43:38 <yabbas> why bother?  It's like hibernating a phone :)
Apr 07 20:45:24 <lcuk> yabbas - how do you change batteries and keep your apps running?
Apr 07 20:48:29 <yabbas> lcuk, you can't :) but I've yet to see any mobile device that can
Apr 07 20:48:54 <yabbas> do windows mobile devices have a hibernate feature?
Apr 07 20:48:59 <lcuk> bi have - my laptop does it
Apr 07 20:49:51 <yabbas> laptops use it to conserve energy and start up quickly - it still takes longer for a hibernated laptop to boot into the OS than it does an IT
Apr 07 20:50:12 <yabbas> since sleep mode on a laptop only lasts a few hours at best
Apr 07 20:50:21 <lcuk> im only playing devils advocate.  its unrealistic at present that its needed, but this device is the most full featured computer ive seen at this form factor, its only fair to treat it the same way.
Apr 07 20:50:24 <yabbas> whereas I can keep my IT in sleep for a few days
Apr 07 20:50:26 <KotCzarny> no, it's used to keep a state of your desktop
Apr 07 20:50:36 <KotCzarny> ie. work -> hibernate/move -> work
Apr 07 20:50:42 <KotCzarny> without reopening everything
Apr 07 20:50:45 <phunguy> bomberman sucks
Apr 07 20:50:52 <yabbas> KotCzarny, It's _never_ recommended to use it as some sort of "save" !
Apr 07 20:51:09 <KotCzarny> yabbas, works for me
Apr 07 20:51:10 <lcuk> no, its there so you can carry on where you left off with all apps working
Apr 07 20:51:10 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 20:51:41 <yabbas> Goodness knows I've had hibernation pause half way through due to some  unforseen circumstance ;) you'll be kicking yourself the one time it happens.
Apr 07 20:51:58 <lcuk> sure, they should be saved as well, but this is about workflow - people open a bunch of apps and tabs and run them - to have to do that every couple of hours is a n extra pain
Apr 07 20:52:04 <KotCzarny> yes, saving critical work before is recommended
Apr 07 20:52:07 <KotCzarny> but still
Apr 07 20:52:26 <yabbas> lcuk, the idea is you don't need to save your desktop state - just put the device in sleep
Apr 07 20:52:51 <lcuk> like i said: how do i change the battery when its asleep
Apr 07 20:53:07 <KotCzarny> yabbas: i would be more afraid of 'deepsleep' than 'hibernation'
Apr 07 20:53:26 <yabbas> it's like asking for a mobile phone with hibernation - "if I press the power off button I expect it to save the state of my SMS text that I was typing, the java game I was playing, etc"
Apr 07 20:53:28 <KotCzarny> ie, with hibernation you can even change battery
Apr 07 20:53:32 <KotCzarny> and anything
Apr 07 20:53:43 <lcuk> deepsleep for me means that i wake up in the morning and my apps are gone because the battery is 100% flat
Apr 07 20:53:52 <KotCzarny> with deepsleep, forget that it's sleeping and your work is *poof*
Apr 07 20:53:52 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 20:53:55 <lcuk> yabbas - but this isnt a phoen, its a computer
Apr 07 20:54:22 <lcuk> morning KotCzarny btw :)
Apr 07 20:54:35 <KotCzarny> erm, quite
Apr 07 20:54:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 20:54:39 <KotCzarny> it's 5pm
Apr 07 20:54:40 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 20:54:41 <lcuk> or back from work or whatever lol
Apr 07 20:54:46 <yabbas> It's a handheld device :) I'm not sure - but I don't think the iPhone/iPod/PSP/etc have hibernation states
Apr 07 20:55:00 <lcuk> i dunno which timezone youir body clock is on
Apr 07 20:55:12 <lcuk> because you dont do actual work on those devices
Apr 07 20:55:14 <KotCzarny> i don't know either ;)
Apr 07 20:55:17 <yabbas> Also - you're all mistaken - it's 10pm!
Apr 07 20:55:28 <lcuk> you play games or music - 1 thing at once and swap with cart or umd
Apr 07 20:55:44 <KotCzarny> my body is probably around 9am though
Apr 07 20:55:51 <yabbas> out of interest - do windows mobile devices have hibernation?
Apr 07 20:55:51 <lcuk> yabbas, you need to expand your mind - we are in a worldwide village
Apr 07 20:56:34 <lcuk> im not sure, but again win mobile arent proper computers ;)   its the keyboard that makes it so for me
Apr 07 20:56:42 <s33ds> how would i go about setting icon theme for a hildon application?
Apr 07 20:56:48 <yabbas> but you have winmobile devices with keybaords
Apr 07 20:56:49 * lcuk will get howks from the 800 owners for that
Apr 07 20:56:54 <s33ds>  GLIB WARNING ** hildon-1 - Icon theme lookup for icon failed! :-/
Apr 07 20:57:10 <lcuk> i know lol - im not sure, lemme see if my old '02 model does
Apr 07 20:57:30 * yabbas agrees with lcuk and KotCzarny though - hibernation would be cool
Apr 07 20:58:56 <lcuk> doesnt appear to on mine.  but then again ive never wanted to multitask on it - ive been focused on one thing.  on my 810 i do about 4 things at once
Apr 07 21:00:35 <yabbas> multitasking ftw :)
Apr 07 21:01:18 <KotCzarny> multinode multiuser multitasking
Apr 07 21:01:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 21:02:03 <yabbas> that post on itt about how durable they are... I've slept on my tablet twice!  103kg bearing down on the poor thing and not a scratch, bent panel, anything.
Apr 07 21:02:34 <lcuk> i have a bit of security around my 810 but i wouldnt like to test it
Apr 07 21:02:43 <KotCzarny> but not 103kg on 10cm^2
Apr 07 21:02:51 <KotCzarny> probably less than 1kg
Apr 07 21:02:54 <lcuk> i doubt it would be as durable as the fujitsu loox i have though
Apr 07 21:02:56 <KotCzarny> on actuall devide
Apr 07 21:02:58 <KotCzarny> device
Apr 07 21:03:00 <yabbas> woooo http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-e518a39004e011dd9d27275d541ca523a523
Apr 07 21:03:14 <lcuk> that bounced down the stairs
Apr 07 21:03:28 <yabbas> KotCzarny, I'll step on it and see
Apr 07 21:03:29 <lcuk> quite spectacular but my heart was in mouth and it happened in slow motion
Apr 07 21:03:30 <yabbas> :D
Apr 07 21:03:47 <KotCzarny> yabbas.. ech.. you get them for free or what?
Apr 07 21:03:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 21:04:50 <yabbas> lcuk, I woke up and thought "sh!t f*ck ... I'm sure I put it on the desk behind me!"  looked and it wasn't there.  Poor thing was under me at the time, slide open, etc  Tested the lot and all was fine *phew*
Apr 07 21:05:10 <yabbas> KotCzarny, haw, I got two for cheap ;)
Apr 07 21:05:40 <lcuk> indeed - i have mine in a cradle now and hold it like a book on my chest - when i feel myself dozing i whip it in same place - im taking no chances
Apr 07 21:07:06 <lcuk> do you find your 810 uncomfotable to hold?
Apr 07 21:07:15 <yabbas> yup
Apr 07 21:07:15 <lcuk> (lay on back)
Apr 07 21:07:16 <yabbas> well
Apr 07 21:07:23 <yabbas> it's not comfortable...
Apr 07 21:07:39 <KotCzarny> same thing with regular book
Apr 07 21:08:01 <KotCzarny> stick some velcro and hang it over you :)
Apr 07 21:08:01 <lcuk> quick solution, get a tshirt and hook it through the stand - then hold the bunched up tshirt instead of the device
Apr 07 21:08:23 <lcuk> or make something
Apr 07 21:08:24 <lcuk> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg
Apr 07 21:09:00 <lcuk> before i did this i had a big rubber patch stuck on the back of it to help with grip
Apr 07 21:09:15 <yabbas> lol
Apr 07 21:09:35 <yabbas> looks like it's defeated the purpose, but cool :)
Apr 07 21:09:49 <yabbas> right, time to idle... bbl
Apr 07 21:10:31 <lcuk> not really, we just throw it around and fingers dont get caught on the side of the screen when gripping it and when im drawing or writing my wrist rests on the wood and is the correct height to use like an actual surface instead of up and wrong
Apr 07 21:10:34 <towo> The only problem with my N810 is that the battery hatch doesn't close correctly
Apr 07 21:10:50 <lcuk> creaking noises from the awfully constructed backplate
Apr 07 21:11:21 <lcuk> it is easy to bend the clips, towo take it off and carefully check the alignment of each and whether you have warped it
Apr 07 21:11:53 <towo> When seen from the top (as in you're putting the hatch back in), the left hook doesn't grab under that metal latch, since the latch has the problem of not being absolute against the bottom of the device, and thus the hook slides over the latch..
Apr 07 21:12:04 <towo> Well, I was thinknig of that as a last ditch. :)
Apr 07 21:12:37 <lcuk> i mean it could have been accidentally bent in the past - it sounds like you just need to tweak it slightly
Apr 07 21:12:51 <lcuk> there isnt gonna be a software update for it - so its gonna have to be you
Apr 07 21:13:41 <MangoFusion> lcuk: you forgot the track pad and all of those usb ports :P
Apr 07 21:14:02 <lcuk> track pad is front and centre matey
Apr 07 21:15:00 <MangoFusion> you also need a big glowing nokia logo on the back i reckon
Apr 07 21:15:56 <towo> lcuk: I was just hoping for someone having a Great Trick, in the prospect of this maybe being a Common Problem[tm].
Apr 07 21:15:58 <lcuk> lol - speaking of big red glowing things - ive turned the throbber off on the 810 corner (i kept waking up thinking there was an alien invasion as these weird shadows came from my dresser)
Apr 07 21:16:52 <lcuk> anyway, i was showing missus that the thing in the corner really was a camera (she thought i had covered it up - but that was just the ambient sensor) so i put it on and nearly blinded us with its red light
Apr 07 21:17:03 <lcuk> i bet it would help night vision
Apr 07 21:17:28 <lcuk> towo it may just be a batch
Apr 07 21:17:42 <towo> Probably. I'm looking for mah tools.
Apr 07 21:17:50 <lcuk> i noticed it immediately and curse it every time i need to unplug battery
Apr 07 21:17:57 <lcuk> finger should do it
Apr 07 21:18:06 <lcuk> unless its seriously out of whack
Apr 07 21:18:18 <lcuk> its like the back plates on pcs
Apr 07 21:18:43 <lcuk> flimsy crappy metal
Apr 07 21:21:13 <towo> I'm thinking we're not talking about the same thing there. Bending back the little latch (that slides around with the opener) doesn't work, since it springs back before you can slide the cover down completely.
Apr 07 21:21:32 <towo> (due to the middle hook moving said latch)
Apr 07 21:23:39 <lcuk> take a pic
Apr 07 21:23:47 <pupnik> funny, i just bent the slider mechanism on n810 today - got stuck
Apr 07 21:24:03 <pupnik> a set of micro-screwdrivers is very helpful to fix that
Apr 07 21:24:17 <towo> http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1979.jpg
Apr 07 21:24:27 <towo> that one should be way back at the bottom
Apr 07 21:24:52 <pupnik> hah that clip you show was bent all the way out of the case for me!
Apr 07 21:24:57 <towo> http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1980.jpg
Apr 07 21:25:00 <pupnik> the slider
Apr 07 21:25:01 <towo> The problem...
Apr 07 21:25:18 <towo> http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1981.jpg - and how it shows
Apr 07 21:26:25 <pupnik> hah you pressed down too hard on the case
Apr 07 21:27:01 <pupnik> make sure the cover is slid all the way into the top of the hinge before pressing down
Apr 07 21:27:48 <towo> It is way in, that's not the problem.
Apr 07 21:29:00 <lcuk> you just made me misalign mine trying to reproduce.  gr8 photots by the way, are these taken now?
Apr 07 21:29:25 <Ziegler> Maemo mapper developers ever around here?
Apr 07 21:29:42 <towo> lcuk: Sometime during the day
Apr 07 21:29:50 <pupnik> killer macro on that camera
Apr 07 21:30:07 <towo> .. 55m focal length
Apr 07 21:30:23 <lcuk> ok - looking down onto the nokia with its screen down - how much gap is between the battery case and the main body
Apr 07 21:31:01 <towo> I'm having trouble parsing that, please rephrase. :)
Apr 07 21:31:16 <lcuk> it doesnt slide in properly on mine if i have that gap wrong - it felt like i would bend the pins easily if the back ones werent in place properly
Apr 07 21:31:31 <pupnik> right lcuk
Apr 07 21:31:35 <lcuk> ok, the pics you took - looking from above - look right down the nokia
Apr 07 21:32:06 <lcuk> read the word nokia n series - and above that is the line where the battery cover and the case meet
Apr 07 21:32:36 <lcuk> there are 3 small hooks on the back of that line - these are what i suspect may be knocking out the alignment at the front
Apr 07 21:32:43 <pupnik> when i'm not careful sliding it up/in, there can be a misalignment there - about a 1mm gap
Apr 07 21:33:24 <Ziegler> Re maemo mapper... Anyone have any documentation as to the format it expects for gpx files?
Apr 07 21:33:34 <towo> I checked that gap already, if I align it wrong, you can see a bit of the interior...
Apr 07 21:34:04 <Ziegler> You all talking about the n810 case?
Apr 07 21:34:11 <towo> jep.
Apr 07 21:34:43 <Ziegler> Is the right slide more loose than the left?
Apr 07 21:35:11 <towo> We're talking about the battery compartment here
Apr 07 21:35:17 <Ziegler> Ah
Apr 07 21:35:36 <towo> Specifically http://littlelamb.szaf.org/~towo/img_1979.jpg , 80, and 81
Apr 07 21:35:43 <Ziegler> Danke
Apr 07 21:35:48 <towo> np
Apr 07 21:36:20 <lcuk> thats meant to be pointing directly down into the device - you have bent it at some point
Apr 07 21:36:40 <lcuk> you didnt show off picture 80 of your nokia porn before so i couldnt tell
Apr 07 21:37:11 <towo> It's vertical to the case?
Apr 07 21:37:27 <towo> Doesn't look like that on http://blog.mightygadget.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nokia-n810-hands-on-10.jpg
Apr 07 21:37:39 <lcuk> yes like the central clip one
Apr 07 21:37:52 <towo> Oh, well, that explains a lot, then
Apr 07 21:37:59 <towo> Maybe I got the monday model.
Apr 07 21:38:25 <Ziegler> (Side note...  Those of u who have the 810...  Is your slide on the right more sloppy than the left?)
Apr 07 21:38:32 <lcuk> no, the engadget model is the same - its just hidden in low res and lighting
Apr 07 21:38:40 * towo tries to find some more reference pics
Apr 07 21:38:56 <towo> (Not that I don't believe you, but.. you know.)
Apr 07 21:38:59 <lcuk> the right hand side notch is longer and hooked slightly
Apr 07 21:39:12 <towo> yeah, that one's correct here, too
Apr 07 21:39:14 <lcuk> the other 2 are straight out of at 90 degrees from the backplate
Apr 07 21:39:41 <lcuk> damn my camera aint here
Apr 07 21:39:56 <towo> I can't believe I can't find dismantled n810 shots
Apr 07 21:40:16 <lcuk> i know
Apr 07 21:40:29 <towo> intartubes fail.
Apr 07 21:40:30 <lcuk> maybe you should take some more nokia porn photos
Apr 07 21:40:56 <lcuk> :) you have a decent camera
Apr 07 21:41:15 <towo> EOS 300D (I think Digital Rebel for the transpondians)
Apr 07 21:41:20 <towo> [Canon.]
Apr 07 21:41:31 <towo> With the 18-55 kit lens
Apr 07 21:41:43 <towo> f/3.4 or something
Apr 07 21:42:42 <lcuk> wow - now i know what normal ppl feel when i talk geek to them.  :P seriously stunning macro though
Apr 07 21:43:23 * lcuk puts the elastic band back round his nokia
Apr 07 21:43:38 <towo> Actually, from a photographic (artistic) viewpoint, it's a load of bull.
Apr 07 21:43:54 <towo> Bad lighting and only good to show off details.
Apr 07 21:45:15 <lcuk> i dunno, look at the engadget example you found.  yours seriously spanks it quality wise.
Apr 07 21:46:03 <towo> Yeah, well, probaly using a compact digital camera, they're good for nothing much, really
Apr 07 21:46:49 <towo> In most cases, you're better off drawing from memory than photographic using your umpty-mp HyperTeraPowerShot 42^23
Apr 07 21:47:52 <towo> Ah, perfect.
Apr 07 21:47:57 <towo> Thanks, lcuk. :)
Apr 07 21:48:19 <lcuk> np :)
Apr 07 21:49:00 <towo> No more creaking while typing. Parday!
Apr 07 21:49:12 <towo> Ziegler: Yes, here, too.
Apr 07 21:50:58 <edrex> cross-posting from #poky: i, just flashed my 770 with poky 3.1, looks promising but how to get wireless drivers?
Apr 07 21:51:10 <edrex> I think I saw a blurb about copying from somewhere but can't find the link
Apr 07 21:52:22 <Ziegler> Towo did yo do something to tighten it up?
Apr 07 21:52:48 <towo> No, I just checked that it's actually the right slider occasionally griefing me.
Apr 07 21:52:53 <edrex> is alt-os talk taboo on #maemo?
Apr 07 21:53:20 <Ziegler> Ah ok... Thank towo
Apr 07 21:53:29 <Ziegler> Thanks*
Apr 07 21:54:18 <KotCzarny> edrex: no, but it's off-topic
Apr 07 21:54:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 21:55:08 <edrex> KotCzarny: is there a channel for general device discussion, or just the ITT boards?
Apr 07 21:56:22 <SamuraiDio> hi
Apr 07 21:56:48 <SamuraiDio> does someone know if n810 can connect to internet through an usb modem?
Apr 07 21:56:53 <KotCzarny> edrex: off-topic or not, you can talk :)
Apr 07 21:59:47 <SamuraiDio> well, cya...
Apr 07 22:00:17 <edrex> i'm not married to poky, it's just the first alt os was able to flash properly. i'm wanting something stripped down and peppy so I don't have to spend cycles/pixels with pixmap bling/ background procs I don't use etc
Apr 07 22:01:05 <edrex> but the alt images don't support hw features etc.. it's a puzzler
Apr 07 22:01:19 <edrex> i'm going to try nokia kernel with poky image
Apr 07 22:01:20 <edrex> :)
Apr 07 22:01:30 <KotCzarny> edrex, poky has no hw drivers for n8x0
Apr 07 22:01:32 <KotCzarny> for now
Apr 07 22:01:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 22:01:35 <phunguy> anyone know a good place for themes?
Apr 07 22:01:55 <edrex> KotCzarny: you mean wireless?
Apr 07 22:02:04 <KotCzarny> also
Apr 07 22:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> phunguy, maemo.org/downloads
Apr 07 22:03:26 <KotCzarny> i think there were people that tried it
Apr 07 22:05:32 <Jaffa> Cool, Android on N810
Apr 07 22:05:37 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 07 22:07:31 <pupnik> what is cool about android
Apr 07 22:08:04 <GeneralAntilles> IT"S GOOGLE!!!!111
Apr 07 22:08:11 <Jaffa> a) More buzz than Maemo; b) weight of Google; c) interesting hack.
Apr 07 22:08:16 <Jaffa> (c) is most important
Apr 07 22:08:22 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 07 22:08:26 <KotCzarny> having options is great
Apr 07 22:11:07 <lcuk> its just a phone front end isnt it? everything lives in java.
Apr 07 22:11:22 <edrex> darn poky image doesn't boot w/nokia kernel :)
Apr 07 22:11:41 <KotCzarny> edrex, wrong root= setting?
Apr 07 22:11:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 22:11:47 * lcuk looks closer
Apr 07 22:11:49 <edrex> ?
Apr 07 22:11:54 <KotCzarny> grab a kernel source and correct/compile it yourself
Apr 07 22:11:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 22:12:09 <KotCzarny> edrex: nokia's kernel boots to initfs on mtdblock
Apr 07 22:12:13 <Jaffa> lcuk: It's a portable Linux-based OS for mobile devices, from Google; using the Java language compiled to a rapid-execution bytecode (i.e. not JVM bytecode)
Apr 07 22:12:15 <lcuk> hmmm im happy to say im wrong
Apr 07 22:13:01 <lcuk> its not just java
Apr 07 22:13:13 <lcuk> :D Android includes a set of C/C++ libraries used by various components of the Android system. These capabilities are exposed to developers through the Android application framework. Some of the core libraries are listed below:
Apr 07 22:13:21 <edrex> KotCzarny: probably i'll go back to trying to get os2006 cloned on mmc : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166460#post166460
Apr 07 22:13:35 * lcuk is on http://code.google.com/android/what-is-android.html
Apr 07 22:13:50 <KotCzarny> edrex, you can install fanoush's initfs, then you can setup any rootfs then
Apr 07 22:13:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 22:15:18 <edrex> KotCzarny: yes, I'm running that. I guess I'm not clear about what is stored where.. the zImage is.. in its own partition, yes? and then the kernel modules are in the rootfs?
Apr 07 22:15:46 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 07 22:15:54 <KotCzarny> sequence is:
Apr 07 22:17:00 <KotCzarny> nolo -> kernel in mtd -> initfs in mtd (with initial modules for ext3 etc) -> selected rootfs (mtd/mmc/usb/etc)
Apr 07 22:17:40 <edrex> different  mtd for kernel and initfs?
Apr 07 22:17:47 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 07 22:18:38 <edrex> has anyone figured out a way to have multiple kernels with nolo?
Apr 07 22:19:04 <KotCzarny> i haven't seen
Apr 07 22:19:16 <KotCzarny> but probably kernel with kexec option could help
Apr 07 22:19:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 22:19:22 <KotCzarny> and some initfs hacking
Apr 07 22:19:52 <edrex> set my tablet free! :)
Apr 07 22:53:26 <corevette> did everyone see http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-running-on-n810.html
Apr 07 22:54:51 <glass> hmm no
Apr 07 22:55:00 <glass> but.. rather expected i guess
Apr 07 22:58:48 <MangoFusion_> corevette: cool
Apr 07 22:59:16 <jott> i wonder why he installed the old android sdk ..
Apr 07 22:59:38 <corevette> do you think it'll work on the 770?
Apr 07 23:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> corevette, did you check the wiki page?
Apr 07 23:00:20 <jott> should be
Apr 07 23:00:29 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP1 is too slow to be usable.
Apr 07 23:00:36 <corevette> this? http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP
Apr 07 23:00:39 <corevette> what is OMAP?
Apr 07 23:00:53 <GeneralAntilles> The SoC the tablets run on.
Apr 07 23:01:12 <corevette> and nokia 770 is OMAP1?
Apr 07 23:01:16 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Apr 07 23:02:25 <corevette> but i mean, can it really be that much slower than os2007HE?
Apr 07 23:02:44 <GeneralAntilles> Apparently, yes.
Apr 07 23:03:45 <jott> GeneralAntilles: have you tried it? ;P
Apr 07 23:04:12 <GeneralAntilles> No, but people with more time and energy than my have, and they say it's only good as a proof-of-concept.
Apr 07 23:04:19 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming, that is, that it actually even works on the 770.
Apr 07 23:04:28 <jott> erm quoting the wiki? or what?
Apr 07 23:04:29 <GeneralAntilles> The wiki only mentions OMAP1, and not the 770 specifically.
Apr 07 23:04:44 <jott> erm its because of 32mb ram
Apr 07 23:04:53 <GeneralAntilles> corevette, it sounds like it's a fantastic idea
Apr 07 23:04:54 <jott> not specifically omap1
Apr 07 23:04:57 <GeneralAntilles> you should install it
Apr 07 23:05:00 <GeneralAntilles> it'll run great!
Apr 07 23:05:02 * GeneralAntilles moves on.
Apr 07 23:06:19 <yabbas> Can Android run Doom?
Apr 07 23:13:29 <yabbas> is there a way I can retrieve the last few items apt-get upgraded?
Apr 07 23:18:54 <yabbas> or...
Apr 07 23:19:11 <yabbas> which packages cause OS2008 to fail to boot?
Apr 07 23:19:33 <lcuk> windowsvista.deb
Apr 07 23:19:38 <yabbas> >_<
Apr 07 23:19:50 <yabbas> srsly
Apr 07 23:20:14 <lcuk> i dunno, you mean from the default nokia approved list or from the big wide unsupported world?
Apr 07 23:20:34 <pupnik> if you can't boot, how would you see the boot log
Apr 07 23:20:40 <yabbas> default nokia list...the scenario is as follows.  I did an apt-get upgrade ;)
Apr 07 23:20:53 <pupnik> say 20 hail marys and reflash
Apr 07 23:20:58 <yabbas> nooooo
Apr 07 23:21:16 <yabbas> I've managed to get to a state where I can SSH without the device rebooting
Apr 07 23:21:20 <lcuk> you could install fanaushes thingymajig - but it doesnt help this time.
Apr 07 23:21:41 <jott> why do you blindly do upgrades? :p
Apr 07 23:21:44 <lcuk> ahhh hang on, you have done something most dont get to - is it fully active?
Apr 07 23:21:56 <yabbas> jott:  don't ask ... :)
Apr 07 23:22:01 <yabbas> lcuk, yup!
Apr 07 23:22:09 <jott> alcohol? ;)
Apr 07 23:22:10 <pupnik> then type dmesg
Apr 07 23:22:11 <yabbas> fully active, just no matchbox
Apr 07 23:22:19 <pupnik> well that might not help much
Apr 07 23:22:46 <lcuk> cant you send over and execute something?   (i know no specifics..)
Apr 07 23:22:53 <yabbas> well
Apr 07 23:22:53 <lcuk> ie a shell
Apr 07 23:23:10 <jott> yabbas: look at /var/log/dpkg.log
Apr 07 23:23:13 <pupnik> if you can ssh-in then it booted
Apr 07 23:23:42 <yabbas> pupnik, this is to do with (possibly) the lifeguard resetting the device before it gets into the gui
Apr 07 23:23:48 <lcuk> yabbas - have you set your brightness to zero ?
Apr 07 23:23:49 <lcuk> ;)
Apr 07 23:24:24 <yabbas> lcuk, sh!t wait, this isn't my N810...it's a cheese sandwich!
Apr 07 23:24:44 <lcuk> :O wow - cheese sandwiches run linux nowadays.  wonders will never cease
Apr 07 23:24:56 <yabbas> less has been known to run linux :)
Apr 07 23:25:25 <lcuk> is it boot cycling though - ie after 60 seconds of nothingness
Apr 07 23:25:50 <lcuk> or is it just locking at a point in the bootup
Apr 07 23:26:04 <yabbas> lcuk, basically yeah.  Exhibited same issues as everyone else when they do an apt-get upgrade
Apr 07 23:26:23 <yabbas> nokia hands, wait a while, device reboots
Apr 07 23:26:41 <yabbas> i.e. something happens before you get to a gui
Apr 07 23:27:02 <lcuk> have you had any strange themes - i remember the lcars one installed extras
Apr 07 23:27:59 <yabbas> nope, this will happen even if you have a fresh flash and do an apt-get upgrade.  One of the packages breaks it.  I was wondering if I can reinstall the package to fix mine now that I have access to it.
Apr 07 23:28:25 <yabbas> jott, no files in /var/log/  :-/
Apr 07 23:28:47 <KotCzarny> install syslogd
Apr 07 23:28:52 <KotCzarny> syslog
Apr 07 23:28:54 <jott> KotCzarny: too late :)
Apr 07 23:28:58 <KotCzarny> ah
Apr 07 23:28:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 07 23:29:08 <yabbas> hehehe
Apr 07 23:29:11 * KotCzarny curses and runs away
Apr 07 23:34:59 <pupnik> i'm still excited i managed to make the lcd controller go all WSOD on the N810
Apr 07 23:35:01 <yabbas> hmmm, does upgrading canola screw around with the old database?
Apr 07 23:35:04 <pupnik> it's like an easter egg
Apr 07 23:35:42 <KotCzarny> stinky easter egg
Apr 07 23:35:43 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 23:36:01 <pupnik> yeah but it looks so cool!
Apr 07 23:36:41 <lcuk> pupnik, were you playing with the omapfb :P
Apr 07 23:36:59 <pupnik> nope, just mypaint
Apr 07 23:37:09 <lcuk> furry nuff
Apr 07 23:37:27 <lcuk> where is this tool of coolness
Apr 07 23:37:28 <jott> touchscreen overload ;)
Apr 07 23:37:40 <lcuk> touch is a different interface to the lcd ;)
Apr 07 23:37:57 <pupnik> it's like all of a sudden seeing a color from another dimension
Apr 07 23:38:09 <pupnik> totally strange
Apr 07 23:38:10 <jott> maybe it was a subliminal message
Apr 07 23:38:11 <KotCzarny> pupnik, try lsd
Apr 07 23:38:14 <KotCzarny> it's better
Apr 07 23:38:14 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 07 23:38:21 <KotCzarny> and safer in many ways
Apr 07 23:38:22 <KotCzarny> (;
Apr 07 23:38:32 <lcuk> i was coding for yuv on an rgb screen which gave similar effects
Apr 07 23:39:57 * jott blames the evil watchdog whose only purpose is to annoy people and drive them crazy
Apr 07 23:40:32 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, turn them off then, jott. :P
Apr 07 23:40:54 <GeneralAntilles> They're useful for normal people who wouldn't know what to do when the device suddenly goes white. :P
Apr 07 23:42:05 <jott> i have it turned off
Apr 07 23:42:21 <GeneralAntilles> Good! Problem solved.
Apr 07 23:42:31 <jott> for me .. yes
Apr 07 23:42:56 <jott> i have no problems - like so many others here ;)
Apr 07 23:43:57 <jott> or unlike.. what ever you choose
Apr 07 23:49:22 <pupnik> you saw the omap3430 running xmame jott?
Apr 07 23:50:14 <jott> not yet
Apr 07 23:56:14 <pupnik_> http://www.openpandora.org/blog.php  and hows this for open development of a product?  you get to see everything they're allowed to release
Apr 07 23:56:54 <jott> yeah just looked again at the blog a few minutes ago ;)
Apr 07 23:56:58 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad TI can't get behind the open source hardware thing in a really meaningful way.
Apr 07 23:57:42 <pupnik_> those pics show nicely how much space full size SD slots actually take up
Apr 07 23:58:03 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 07 23:58:28 <jott> they should have gone with a single mini sd slot
Apr 07 23:58:29 * jott ducks
Apr 07 23:58:42 <GeneralAntilles> We need 4 microsd slots!
Apr 07 23:59:44 <jott> but nice to see some progress
Apr 08 00:02:00 <pupnik_> i'd like to see a robotron clone optimized for dual analogue
Apr 08 00:11:44 <jott> and i would like to see a running opengl (es) on the pandora ;)
Apr 08 00:13:25 <yabbas> hmm, hildon-desktop causes segmentation fault
Apr 08 00:13:52 <KotCzarny> i would like cheesecake from pandora :)
Apr 08 00:14:03 <yabbas> the cake is fake
Apr 08 00:14:11 <GeneralAntilles> The cake is a lie!
Apr 08 00:14:13 <GeneralAntilles> The cake is a lie!
Apr 08 00:14:14 <KotCzarny> ;.;
Apr 08 00:14:27 <KotCzarny> but cheesecake is true
Apr 08 00:14:29 <KotCzarny> i smell it
Apr 08 00:14:32 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 00:21:16 <edt> networkSizeEstimateSession: 5576 nodes
Apr 08 00:21:16 <edt> networkSizeEstimate24h: 2910 nodes
Apr 08 00:21:16 <edt> networkSizeEstimate48h: 4279 nodes
Apr 08 00:21:47 <edt> this is as big as I have ever seen it get
Apr 08 00:22:23 <edt> opps wrong channel - sorry
Apr 08 00:23:12 <yabbas> oo-err controversial
Apr 08 00:23:23 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 00:23:44 <yabbas> someone help me find out why hildon-desktop is segfaulting :)
Apr 08 00:23:46 <yabbas> please
Apr 08 00:23:56 <KotCzarny> yabbas: strace it
Apr 08 00:24:06 <yabbas> done that, I have no clue what to look for
Apr 08 00:24:17 <KotCzarny> pastebin.com few last lines
Apr 08 00:24:27 <yabbas> okie dokie
Apr 08 00:24:28 <KotCzarny> 10-20
Apr 08 00:28:19 <yabbas> http://pastebin.com/d37efb822
Apr 08 00:28:31 <yabbas> the whole lot
Apr 08 00:29:13 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 08 00:29:41 <KotCzarny> line 69-70 could be a hint
Apr 08 00:30:03 <yabbas> at... ? :)
Apr 08 00:30:17 <KotCzarny> don't know..
Apr 08 00:30:25 <KotCzarny> only thinking loudly
Apr 08 00:30:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 00:30:57 <KotCzarny> do you really want to bring it up?
Apr 08 00:31:06 <yabbas> yup
Apr 08 00:31:07 <KotCzarny> wouldn't reflashing be a faster?
Apr 08 00:31:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 00:31:40 <yabbas> whatever it is, an apt-get upgrade seems to do something sufficiently bad that segfaults hildon-desktop.  And yes it would be - but this is now needing a fix :D
Apr 08 00:31:48 <KotCzarny> reflashing and cloning working os to mmc, that is
Apr 08 00:31:56 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 08 00:32:14 <KotCzarny> you can try fircibly reinstall most of the packages
Apr 08 00:32:19 <KotCzarny> one by one
Apr 08 00:32:24 <yabbas> if I knew which they were, lol!
Apr 08 00:32:30 <KotCzarny> yeah
Apr 08 00:32:36 <KotCzarny> start with system ones
Apr 08 00:32:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 00:32:38 <yabbas> you could, umm ... ;)
Apr 08 00:32:48 <GeneralAntilles> Did you upgrade with an non-default repositories?
Apr 08 00:33:00 <GeneralAntilles> s/an/any/
Apr 08 00:33:00 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Did you upgrade with any non-default repositories?
Apr 08 00:33:08 <yabbas> GeneralAntilles, presumably.  I'm silly enough to add the lot from gronmayer!
Apr 08 00:33:14 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 08 00:33:18 <GeneralAntilles> As I said on ITT
Apr 08 00:33:35 <GeneralAntilles> The SDK repo and rtcomm-beta repo are two known problem-causers.
Apr 08 00:33:53 <GeneralAntilles> SDK because it'll install newer version of important packages that can cause trouble
Apr 08 00:34:03 <yabbas> GeneralAntilles, cool - would you know which packages specifically caused the problems?
Apr 08 00:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> and rtcomm-beta because it installs updated rtcomm packages that seem to break if you don't use the installer.
Apr 08 00:34:16 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't a clue
Apr 08 00:34:20 <GeneralAntilles> My money would be on rtcomm, though.
Apr 08 00:34:26 * yabbas checks
Apr 08 00:34:39 <GeneralAntilles> You could just apt-get remove rtcomm* ;)
Apr 08 00:35:00 <GeneralAntilles> You wont ever have your chat working with that install, though.
Apr 08 00:35:10 <GeneralAntilles> But I bet it Matchbox wouldn't crash.
Apr 08 00:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> er, hildon-desktop
Apr 08 00:35:18 <yabbas> lol, well...it's so FUBARed I may as well!
Apr 08 00:35:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Apr 08 00:35:22 <GeneralAntilles> Actually
Apr 08 00:35:31 <GeneralAntilles> You may also try removing the presence applet .desktop
Apr 08 00:35:38 <GeneralAntilles> Or, rather, do that first.
Apr 08 00:35:44 <yabbas> too late ;)
Apr 08 00:35:58 * yabbas breaks this further
Apr 08 00:35:59 <GeneralAntilles> You already moved on or already tried it?
Apr 08 00:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> Oh
Apr 08 00:36:03 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Apr 08 00:36:04 <GeneralAntilles> OK
Apr 08 00:36:50 <yabbas> nope, segfault
Apr 08 00:36:59 <yabbas> so it's not rtcomm
Apr 08 00:37:41 <KotCzarny> btw. disable most of the repos in apt config
Apr 08 00:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> SDK would be my next guess
Apr 08 00:38:03 <KotCzarny> then maybe you could simply run apt-get update and get it working
Apr 08 00:38:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Apr 08 00:38:11 <GeneralAntilles> or maybe extras-devel
Apr 08 00:38:21 <GeneralAntilles> maybe that operating-system meta package got thrown in
Apr 08 00:38:44 <yabbas> this is so annoying :D
Apr 08 00:38:51 * yabbas is enjoying it though
Apr 08 00:39:10 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder how it's gonna go with SSU.
Apr 08 00:39:12 <jott> yabbas: maybe run it against ltrace/gdb
Apr 08 00:39:25 <yabbas> ltrace is a goodun!
Apr 08 00:39:29 * yabbas tries that
Apr 08 00:39:38 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm will presumably be out of beta, so that shouldn't be an issue anymore
Apr 08 00:40:48 <yabbas> is rtcomm out of beta?
Apr 08 00:41:13 <GeneralAntilles> Not yet
Apr 08 00:41:17 <GeneralAntilles> But it should be with Diablo.
Apr 08 00:41:27 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I'm betting it will be, anyway.
Apr 08 00:41:27 * yabbas wants Diablo now
Apr 08 00:41:32 <Robot101> yeah, it's more of a beta repository, it'll just get some newer beta stuff in once the stuff that's there will go into the next releases
Apr 08 00:41:35 <GeneralAntilles> So do I, so do I.
Apr 08 00:41:47 <GeneralAntilles> Aha, right then.
Apr 08 00:43:19 * GeneralAntilles wants Speed Contacts to be useful again.
Apr 08 00:43:31 <KotCzarny> yabbas, so assuming you don't have valuable data to rescue, you will be reflashing it soon
Apr 08 00:43:34 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 08 00:43:42 <KotCzarny> when diablo goes out
Apr 08 00:44:00 <yabbas> KotCzarny, most valuable thing to me was canola database which I managed to nab :) so yeah - reflash is always an option
Apr 08 00:44:25 <yabbas> I just wanna see if I can fix it without reflashing!
Apr 08 00:44:39 <KotCzarny> hah, puzzle
Apr 08 00:44:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 00:44:44 * yabbas nods
Apr 08 00:44:48 <GeneralAntilles> apt-get remove *
Apr 08 00:44:54 <GeneralAntilles> That's guaranteed to do something!
Apr 08 00:45:01 <yabbas> rm  -r /
Apr 08 00:45:05 <KotCzarny> -rf
Apr 08 00:45:06 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 00:45:20 <yabbas> better :>
Apr 08 00:45:41 <KotCzarny> but if you really want to be fscked up overwrite bootloader ;)
Apr 08 00:45:42 <jott> just half the fun without pressing 10000 times y[enter] ;)
Apr 08 00:45:59 <KotCzarny> jott, does rm have verbose mode?
Apr 08 00:46:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 00:46:19 <jott> busybox version? hmm
Apr 08 00:46:21 <jott> guess so
Apr 08 00:46:42 <jott> rm: invalid option -- v
Apr 08 00:46:43 <jott> or not
Apr 08 00:52:27 <yabbas> ltrace/gdb not useful :( unless I'm missing something
Apr 08 00:55:49 <yabbas> right, I am defeated
Apr 08 00:58:25 <jott> what did ltrace say and what was the gdb bt? ;O
Apr 08 01:03:43 <yabbas> jott:  same as strace really
Apr 08 01:03:53 <yabbas> as for gdb - no debugging symbols loaded
Apr 08 01:21:50 <jott> yabbas: you need the -dbg package(s) for the symbols.. (i.e. hildon-desktop-dbg)
Apr 08 01:22:31 <KotCzarny> it's not worth it in his case..
Apr 08 01:22:45 <KotCzarny> he has mismatched packages installed
Apr 08 01:23:06 <KotCzarny> and he wouldn't be able to fix the sources anyway :)
Apr 08 01:23:54 <jott> why wouldn't it be fixable?
Apr 08 01:24:20 * yabbas wonders that too
Apr 08 01:24:25 <jga23> can mplayer on mameo handle streaming video?  I've got a mms url from mlbtv and it's very pixalated
Apr 08 01:25:22 <yabbas> installing debug package
Apr 08 01:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> jga23, http streams, yes
Apr 08 01:26:05 <KotCzarny> jott, because it can be anything..
Apr 08 01:26:11 <jott> so?
Apr 08 01:26:19 <KotCzarny> glibc, hildon-libs, somthing else
Apr 08 01:26:48 <KotCzarny> jga23: afair it doesn't do realvideo
Apr 08 01:26:53 <KotCzarny> but i can be wrong
Apr 08 01:26:54 <jott> apt-cache policy should atleast tell if it's from a diffrent source
Apr 08 01:27:08 <KotCzarny> yeah, that's better for him
Apr 08 01:27:17 <jga23> its a wmv, the audio plays perfect, but the video is all kinds of messed up
Apr 08 01:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> wmv sux
Apr 08 01:27:32 <yabbas> still says no debugging symbols found
Apr 08 01:27:39 <GeneralAntilles> Support has seemingly been hit and miss.
Apr 08 01:27:44 <jga23> GeneralAntilles: yep, but don't have a choice
Apr 08 01:27:48 <KotCzarny> jga23: link?
Apr 08 01:28:16 <GeneralAntilles> You could always pipe it through mencoder on a desktop and transcoding it to something else. :P
Apr 08 01:28:29 <jott> yabbas: then i suppose the crash isn't in hildon-desktop libs directly ...
Apr 08 01:28:29 <jga23> KotCzarny: mlbtv is picky, they check ips, so it wouldn't load for you
Apr 08 01:28:45 <KotCzarny> jga23: then debuggin/helping as well
Apr 08 01:28:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 01:29:12 <KotCzarny> i meant, helping with that issue :)
Apr 08 01:29:49 <jga23> any switches I can use that might help with the quality?
Apr 08 01:29:59 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 08 01:30:10 <KotCzarny> -vf pp -autoq 10
Apr 08 01:30:13 <KotCzarny> try this one
Apr 08 01:33:44 <jga23> hmm, I wonder if this is the problem: [vc1 @ 0x48319c]Chroma scaling is not supported, expect wrong picture
Apr 08 01:35:47 <jga23> or this: Requested video codec family [wmvvc1dmo] (vfm=dmo) not available.
Apr 08 01:36:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 01:36:17 <KotCzarny> first one
Apr 08 01:37:48 <jga23> any way to force it to not use Chroma scaling?
Apr 08 01:38:01 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 08 01:38:16 <KotCzarny> i don't know that one though
Apr 08 01:38:17 <jott> both problems actually.. maybe it's really better to transcode them on your desktop with w32codec pack installed
Apr 08 01:38:23 <jott> (or easier)
Apr 08 01:38:33 <jott> or check if mplayer svn head fixed it..
Apr 08 01:39:04 <jga23> the desktop solution isn't an option since its a stream and I want to be able to watch the stream away from my desktop
Apr 08 01:39:15 <jga23> I'll check mplayer svn
Apr 08 01:39:54 <jott> you could probably transcode it on the fly somehow
Apr 08 01:40:21 <KotCzarny> jga23: the problem is that we can't use binary codecs
Apr 08 01:40:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 01:40:48 <KotCzarny> so only hacked codecs are available
Apr 08 01:42:12 <GeneralAntilles> What's your upstream?
Apr 08 01:50:54 <jga23> hmm, not sure, I can run a speed test, but my desktop showing the stream just fine on the same network
Apr 08 02:02:03 <pupnik> i'll have fun seeing omap3430 doing hardware decoding of high res video
Apr 08 02:02:42 <pupnik> and running 'really slick screensavers' (openGL) in the desktop background behind transparent xterm :)
Apr 08 02:04:15 <johnx> once it's out I'll take my flying car down to the mall to pick one up. :P
Apr 08 02:05:52 <GeneralAntilles> lol?
Apr 08 02:06:31 <johnx> (I don't think a tablet based on the omap3 will be out any time soon)
Apr 08 02:06:45 <GeneralAntilles> So, uh, what are we getting?
Apr 08 02:06:48 <GeneralAntilles> More OMAP2?
Apr 08 02:06:49 <GeneralAntilles> No way in hell.
Apr 08 02:07:19 <johnx> i dunno. Nokia has like a metric ****-ton of omap2s lying around
Apr 08 02:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> Have you read Texrat's comments on step 5? :P
Apr 08 02:07:32 * johnx goes off to read
Apr 08 02:07:33 <KotCzarny> omap2 + gl accel would be enough
Apr 08 02:07:43 <GeneralAntilles> You dunno!
Apr 08 02:07:45 <GeneralAntilles> HA! :P
Apr 08 02:07:58 <johnx> must have missed it
Apr 08 02:08:03 <johnx> is it in the diablo thread?
Apr 08 02:08:09 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Apr 08 02:08:10 <GeneralAntilles> Somewhere
Apr 08 02:08:16 <GeneralAntilles> There's so many of them.
Apr 08 02:08:20 <GeneralAntilles> Search for Texrat and socks. :P
Apr 08 02:08:26 <johnx> :D
Apr 08 02:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> Basically, I'm 99% certain step 5 is coming somewhere late this or early next year and it'll be OMAP3.
Apr 08 02:10:09 <johnx> I'd believe early 09
Apr 08 02:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> 2 years without a real upgrade though. :\
Apr 08 02:10:39 <johnx> Nokia makese cell phones
Apr 08 02:10:48 <johnx> and embedded is "just like that"
Apr 08 02:11:10 <johnx> AFAIK, there's still core Linux functionality that needs to be worked out for the omap3
Apr 08 02:11:10 <GeneralAntilles> My money is on another September/November release.
Apr 08 02:11:20 <johnx> that would make a lot of sense
Apr 08 02:11:25 <johnx> if they can meet their deadlines
Apr 08 02:11:37 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, igor was talking about that in relation to the Pandora.
Apr 08 02:12:01 <GeneralAntilles> We're still 6 months away
Apr 08 02:12:40 <pupnik> i'm really interested in getting maemo on p&|a
Apr 08 02:12:46 <johnx> If I had to bet I'd say "First quarter '09"
Apr 08 02:12:47 <esworp> so. this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/homeip/ and the other apps from this guy look pretty rad.  /but/ i need the devel repository added and must've done it wrong.. what's the url for that repo?
Apr 08 02:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> gronmayer.com/it
Apr 08 02:13:09 <GeneralAntilles> It has all the repos.
Apr 08 02:13:23 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik I want Pandora stuff on the N900. :D
Apr 08 02:13:42 <esworp> then something must be amiss, as the needed apps fo not list.
Apr 08 02:17:12 <esworp> i have everything on gronmeyers list and it's no bueno.
Apr 08 02:17:31 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 08 02:17:35 <johnx> what are you missing?
Apr 08 02:17:36 <KotCzarny> you have added ALL repos?
Apr 08 02:17:42 <esworp> yupp
Apr 08 02:17:46 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 08 02:17:50 <KotCzarny> you're asking for problems
Apr 08 02:17:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:17:55 <KotCzarny> sereiously
Apr 08 02:18:01 <KotCzarny> serioously
Apr 08 02:19:10 <esworp> most've them are disabled. why's is a bad idea?
Apr 08 02:19:28 <johnx> ah, disabled is ok
Apr 08 02:19:37 <KotCzarny> ask yabbas :>
Apr 08 02:19:58 <johnx> they tend to have software that conflicts, and also you might have noticed that the OS2008 section contains repos full of software for OS2007
Apr 08 02:20:21 <esworp> python-hildondesktop is not availible.
Apr 08 02:20:59 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, not really an issue for 95% of the stuff.
Apr 08 02:21:32 <johnx> only takes installing one bad package to "reboot-loop" yourself though
Apr 08 02:21:53 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 08 02:22:09 <GeneralAntilles> None of that OS2007 stuff in User/ will reboot-loop you, though.
Apr 08 02:22:12 <KotCzarny> and cursing 'why i haven't done a backup'
Apr 08 02:22:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 02:22:24 <johnx> Just don't install openbox :)
Apr 08 02:23:25 * esworp has good backup hygeine.
Apr 08 02:24:07 <KotCzarny> good for you
Apr 08 02:24:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:24:45 <esworp> still though, those apps would be sweet.. any ideas.
Apr 08 02:25:09 <KotCzarny> you can always install manually
Apr 08 02:25:13 <KotCzarny> if there's .deb
Apr 08 02:25:39 <esworp> i dont see a deb file described as such.
Apr 08 02:27:52 <KotCzarny> what are you trying to do, again?
Apr 08 02:28:22 <esworp> install some apps that
Apr 08 02:28:26 <esworp> install some apps that need python-hildondesktop
Apr 08 02:28:33 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 08 02:29:05 <KotCzarny> i wonder if you can compile one yourself..
Apr 08 02:29:09 <KotCzarny> http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/python-hildondesktop/ubuntu/
Apr 08 02:29:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:29:48 <esworp> i just went there when mentioned it.  it's ok if it references unbuntu?
Apr 08 02:30:01 <KotCzarny> it's a source though
Apr 08 02:30:11 <esworp> barf.
Apr 08 02:30:23 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I found that post you're referring to. I guess that pretty much reinforces the Fall/Winter timeline for a chipset refresh. I wonder when Nokia plans on going OMAP3 for phones. Maybe for the N96?
Apr 08 02:30:24 <KotCzarny> don't know how much it differs from maemo
Apr 08 02:30:38 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Apr 08 02:30:52 <esworp> my bluetooth keyboard qould require me to get off the couch.  ;/
Apr 08 02:30:54 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3 isn't really even past engineering samples yet.
Apr 08 02:31:25 <johnx> yeah...6 months seems like a pretty agressive timeline to see that in a shipping product to me
Apr 08 02:31:29 <johnx> anyways, off to work O_o
Apr 08 02:31:29 <GeneralAntilles> N96 is OMAP2420
Apr 08 02:31:35 <johnx> ah
Apr 08 02:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> Later
Apr 08 02:31:45 <GeneralAntilles> N900 could be one of the first.
Apr 08 02:31:46 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 08 02:31:52 <KotCzarny> esworp, that package is in extras
Apr 08 02:31:57 <GeneralAntilles> Let's just hope there's a discount program. :D
Apr 08 02:31:57 <KotCzarny> extras-devel even
Apr 08 02:31:59 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/p/python-hildondesktop/
Apr 08 02:32:29 <esworp> wth.   why do i not have it right.  grr.
Apr 08 02:32:37 <KotCzarny> who knows
Apr 08 02:32:46 <KotCzarny> but treas extras-devel as very beta
Apr 08 02:32:50 <KotCzarny> treat
Apr 08 02:33:01 <esworp> mkay
Apr 08 02:33:04 <KotCzarny> so install it by hand, and disable afterwards
Apr 08 02:33:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:33:46 <KotCzarny> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-16460.html
Apr 08 02:34:00 <KotCzarny> and this thread can help you if you want to write your own home applet
Apr 08 02:34:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:34:21 <esworp> both ttje .debs are cited as 'incompatable'
Apr 08 02:34:47 <KotCzarny> which os you have?
Apr 08 02:34:50 <KotCzarny> 2008?
Apr 08 02:34:54 <esworp> yup
Apr 08 02:35:00 <KotCzarny> then it's chinook
Apr 08 02:35:10 <KotCzarny> what is the exact error? (pastebin.com)
Apr 08 02:36:50 <esworp> FAILED: python2.5-hildon
Apr 08 02:36:52 <esworp> Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible.
Apr 08 02:36:54 <esworp> /usr/bin/dpkg-deb -f '/var/tmp/hildon-desktop-python-loader_0.0.2-1_armel.deb'
Apr 08 02:37:03 <KotCzarny> ah, redpill mode
Apr 08 02:37:14 <esworp> doh.
Apr 08 02:37:34 <KotCzarny> or try looking for a force command
Apr 08 02:38:29 <KotCzarny> or repackaging that file
Apr 08 02:38:30 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 08 02:38:40 <esworp> barf
Apr 08 02:38:48 <KotCzarny> it's quite simple in fact
Apr 08 02:39:09 <KotCzarny> wouldn't require recompiling even
Apr 08 02:39:18 <KotCzarny> only some unpacking/editing/repacking
Apr 08 02:39:36 <KotCzarny> or enable redpill, install, disable redpill
Apr 08 02:39:51 * esworp feels a diminishing return for a simple little applet.
Apr 08 02:40:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:40:18 <KotCzarny> magic buttons have their price
Apr 08 02:40:27 <esworp> it errors in redpill. too.  sez python2.5is not availible.
Apr 08 02:40:38 <KotCzarny> fun
Apr 08 02:40:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 08 02:40:51 <KotCzarny> ls -l /usr/bin/python2.5
Apr 08 02:41:21 <KotCzarny> for python you can try installing any other app
Apr 08 02:41:29 <KotCzarny> does canola2 require python2.5 ?
Apr 08 02:41:55 <esworp> yeah . . .  i'mer
Apr 08 02:42:02 <esworp> flummoxed
Apr 08 02:43:41 <KotCzarny> anyway, bbl
Apr 08 02:59:47 <unixSnob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l4oetQ6fR8
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