**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 08 02:59:56 2008 Apr 08 04:36:34 :D Apr 08 04:48:27 yabbas? Apr 08 04:56:30 yabba dabba doooooo Apr 08 05:07:43 someone knows another app like simple launcher? Apr 08 05:49:22 Does anyone know how to override the package dependencies when installing packages to the nokia n810? Apr 08 05:50:36 I'm trying to install this application that I developed and it uses hildonmm but it's saying I need a version of hildonfm2 > 1.9.49... But the latest I can seem to get on the nokia is 1.9.46... which I'm sure is fine, but I can't get it to install with just that Apr 08 05:51:39 then you have probably linked it wrongly Apr 08 05:51:55 or you have too new version in sdk Apr 08 05:52:05 downgrade and compile/package again Apr 08 05:52:17 how do you downgrade in scratchbox though? Apr 08 05:52:25 the same as on device Apr 08 05:52:27 :) Apr 08 05:52:38 it also uses apt-get/dpkg system Apr 08 05:52:44 and nearly the same repos Apr 08 05:53:21 how do you downgrade though? with apt-get? Apr 08 05:53:27 hmm Apr 08 05:53:31 remove and reinstall ? Apr 08 05:54:20 oh, how do you restrict it to a certain version though instead of just the most up to date version? sorry for all the questions, I'm just pretty new to linux development Apr 08 05:55:00 hmm Apr 08 05:55:23 do you use scratchbox? Apr 08 05:56:17 yeah Apr 08 05:56:50 then just download .deb package and install it within scratchbox with dpkg -i Apr 08 05:58:56 cool, thanks Apr 08 06:13:04 Claws mail is a POS Apr 08 06:16:53 someone knows another app like simple launcher? Apr 08 06:19:30 Is there a way to list the versions of a package that are available to download with apt-get? I'm trying to download an earlier version but the only one I can find that's available is the current version... Apr 08 06:20:27 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/ Apr 08 06:21:06 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/h/ Apr 08 06:22:05 hum Apr 08 06:22:16 but i don't see that package anywhere Apr 08 06:23:55 ahh, thanks, I didn't realize you could just browse the repository... but yeah, so the only version in there is 1.9.49... any idea where I could get earlier versions? Apr 08 06:24:23 can you check: apt-cache policy hildonfm2 Apr 08 06:24:38 and pastebin.com me the result? Apr 08 06:25:29 Ahh, wait, I found out that in just the maemo4.0 repository instead... should that work if I set that up as one of my repositories and install it from there? Apr 08 06:26:06 yes, but you can get into troubles having two repos serving same packages Apr 08 06:26:12 (only different versions) Apr 08 06:26:19 so get the package and install by hand Apr 08 06:26:20 :) Apr 08 06:26:57 ah ok, cool, thanks Apr 08 06:27:02 anyone know of a howto for using jffs2 on the 2gb internal card of the n810? Apr 08 07:00:28 morning Apr 08 07:00:34 monkeyiq: jffs2 require MTD Apr 08 07:00:46 monkeyiq: that 2gb internal card is sd/mmc so no jffs2 Apr 08 07:01:12 hrw; ah ok. I was reading the jffs howto http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd/mtd-jffs-HOWTO.txt and it seemed to be contradictory at times Apr 08 07:01:30 hrw; I suspected that you needed special support (NOR, or other hardware level stuff) for mtd :/ Apr 08 07:01:53 hrw; is there any recommendation for write leveling on NAND flash / minisd? Apr 08 07:02:16 The chips/firmware handles it just fine these days. Apr 08 07:02:17 ext2 with noatime seems to be a very basic attempt at helping the card last a little longer Apr 08 07:02:20 for removable cards I would use ext2/ext3 Apr 08 07:03:16 I mean if the 8gb sdcard I have in the n810 goes bad in a few years I can just junk it, but I'd love to preserve the life of the 2gb fixed card :| Apr 08 07:03:29 not really Apr 08 07:03:35 that's what badblocks command is for Apr 08 07:03:53 and ext2/3 ability to map out bad blocks Apr 08 07:04:31 though having a badblocks in inodes usually means os reinstal ;) Apr 08 07:04:51 yeah, though if you are issuing write cycles enough to kill blocks on the flash, you would imagine that you would start getting blocks dieing on a continual basis Apr 08 07:05:09 not true Apr 08 07:05:24 there will be a one or two offenders Apr 08 07:05:28 but rest should be ok Apr 08 07:05:33 well, it all depends on your access / write patterns of course Apr 08 07:06:03 btw. i have a regular slakcware running off 4gb cf card Apr 08 07:06:06 and you plan to have 2gb swap on it and run apps which will make use of whole 2gb - right? Apr 08 07:06:14 and no bb yet Apr 08 07:06:18 GeneralAntilles; is your comment in regard to using jffs2 ? Apr 08 07:06:32 No, wear leveling. Apr 08 07:06:42 is nokia still hosting tablets-dev.nokia.com on an n770? Apr 08 07:06:57 Depends on whether the akamai cache for your area sucks. :P Apr 08 07:07:02 GeneralAntilles; ah ok. does that apply to the 2gb fixed card? Apr 08 07:07:21 Presumable, but I'm really not familiar enough with it to say for certain. Apr 08 07:07:35 On a completely unrelated subject, who wants to help me fix the wikipedia articles? :D Apr 08 07:07:36 monkeyiq: dmesg|grep mtdblock Apr 08 07:07:44 is anyone able to access http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php ? Apr 08 07:07:45 erm. Apr 08 07:07:50 mount |grep mtdblock Apr 08 07:07:55 I've been trying for half an hour and the gateway times out every time Apr 08 07:07:58 hrw; well, I was thinking of having 256mb or so of swap on the 2gb internal card because it would make swapping the only swappable card easier with swap not on it Apr 08 07:08:12 Was working a couple hours ago. Apr 08 07:08:49 maybe they only host tablets-dev.nokia.com on an n770 for my part of the world :) Apr 08 07:09:06 KotCzarny; yeah, the root filesystem when it is on the 256mb card is on /dev/mtdblock4. Apr 08 07:09:27 that's for n800 Apr 08 07:09:27 pumpkin: doesnt seem to work Apr 08 07:09:33 you mentioned n810 Apr 08 07:09:34 but the other cards (fixed / swapable on n810) come across as /dev/mmcblk0p2 etc Apr 08 07:09:40 yeah I only have a n810 Apr 08 07:09:47 jani: I just got a list of downloads!!! amazing :P Apr 08 07:09:47 oh, now it came.. tool a really long time to load Apr 08 07:09:56 if you see mmcblk then it's a regular sd Apr 08 07:09:58 hi Apr 08 07:10:05 probably soldered to the board Apr 08 07:10:05 :> Apr 08 07:10:11 are you brave enough to check? Apr 08 07:10:12 ;) Apr 08 07:10:21 (if it's soldered or removable) Apr 08 07:10:57 Would anybody happen to have some good quality screenshots of the default setups of OS2005/6/7/8? Apr 08 07:10:58 I sort of suspected that, given that there used to be two cards on the n800, they just used the old facilities for one card to hard mount some flash andd access via sdcard interface Apr 08 07:11:17 yup Apr 08 07:11:18 may i ask: am i right that Maemo comes with some internal localization string ? Apr 08 07:11:30 so anything that applies to sd card applies to that 2gb too Apr 08 07:11:58 like e.g. ai_ap_application_installer, ai_me_package_install, etc .. Apr 08 07:12:03 KotCzarny; not quite at the moment, I imagine somebody else has checked and photoed the guts of the n810 somewhere for me already (and voided *their* warranty doing it). Apr 08 07:12:10 icepolarpolar: maemo and i18n... Apr 08 07:12:27 monkeyiq, i haven't seen them.. Apr 08 07:12:34 only for n800 Apr 08 07:12:38 and some for 770 Apr 08 07:12:38 :) Apr 08 07:12:47 KotCzarny; I was just hopeful of getting an interface to sdcard storage that jffs2 would be happy with. Apr 08 07:13:11 or some other filesystem that is designed to work in log structured mode and avoid rewrites if possible. Apr 08 07:13:25 ext3 ? Apr 08 07:13:26 :) Apr 08 07:13:29 so I could keep the 2gb card at 40-50% capacity to extend its lifetime Apr 08 07:13:59 ext3 writes in place for metadata/data and only keeps the journal not write in place though ? Apr 08 07:14:11 hmm Apr 08 07:14:17 ext3 will increase writes a lot Apr 08 07:14:19 i have thought that ext3 moves sectors Apr 08 07:14:19 monkeyiq: do you know how long would 2gb jffs2 take to mount? Apr 08 07:14:23 all the time Apr 08 07:14:39 hrw; I heard about that too, the whole tree load on mount :/ Apr 08 07:15:13 has anyone here used a PAN on their n*? Apr 08 07:15:27 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan Apr 08 07:15:32 KotCzarny; that would be interesting, though if ext3 moves sectors (for data etc) then I would hope it would be for extent coalesing, which would be great for hdds but not so interesting on flash Apr 08 07:15:45 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I was there, was just wondering whether it worked well Apr 08 07:15:52 Works fine. Apr 08 07:16:21 miq: though i don't know if it applies to anything but data Apr 08 07:16:56 GeneralAntilles: is there a repo somewhere that I can install it from easily? Apr 08 07:17:08 It's in Extras, I believe. Apr 08 07:17:25 Somebody really needs to get gronmayer some more bandwidth. :\ Apr 08 07:17:27 it does strike me as odd that there isn't something designed ground up to journal on sdcards. I haven't searched for it before as most sdcards I have were in xfat requiring tools like cameras Apr 08 07:21:08 ummmmmmm n810 has a tvout http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/03/14/the-nobounds-project/ ???????? Apr 08 07:21:17 No. Apr 08 07:21:40 but look at Apr 08 07:21:55 It's a dongle. Apr 08 07:21:59 GeneralAntilles: I installed it, but can't seem to find a way to turn it on Apr 08 07:22:18 Think something more akin to remotedesktop or VNC Apr 08 07:22:31 It's not as simple as a straight video out. Apr 08 07:22:45 GeneralAntilles ahhh i wish i can join my n800 to tv with usb cable ?????!!!!!!!! Apr 08 07:22:55 Maybe in a few years, Italodance. Apr 08 07:23:00 That's a research project Apr 08 07:23:06 it wont be to market in the short term. Apr 08 07:23:06 great Apr 08 07:23:16 pumpkin, you add a new PAN connection or something from the Connection manager Apr 08 07:23:18 I don't recall exactly Apr 08 07:23:25 or it may just appear automagically Apr 08 07:23:30 They should have instructions. Apr 08 07:23:53 ah Apr 08 07:24:17 If you are using pycage's maemo-pan, you get a new connection automatically in select connection. Apr 08 07:24:35 You have to select the phone to use it with in Control Panel , Phone. Apr 08 07:27:16 miq: http://www.linux.com/feature/114295 Apr 08 07:27:37 qwerty12: I want to connect to my laptop's PAN... Apr 08 07:27:42 it keeps saying looking for phone Apr 08 07:27:43 and can't find it Apr 08 07:27:46 KotCzarny, are your builds of xmms newer than free's build? Apr 08 07:27:47 but I'm paired with my laptop Apr 08 07:28:00 pumpkin, Its meant to be for phone. /me shrugs Apr 08 07:28:01 GeneralAntilles: someone fix maemo to have repository so gronmayer's list will be not needed Apr 08 07:28:08 qwerty12: my xmms is probably hacked, a little Apr 08 07:28:22 KotCzarny, ok, thanks! Good enough for me ^-^ Apr 08 07:28:23 :( Apr 08 07:28:27 What, hrw? Apr 08 07:28:44 pumpkin, are you using Linux or Windows? Apr 08 07:28:45 qwerty12: afair i have modified those popup windows to stay on top Apr 08 07:28:45 08 09:23 < GeneralAntilles> Somebody really needs to get gronmayer some more bandwidth. :\ Apr 08 07:28:58 You mean, kick all the jackass developers into shape and make them stop creating new repositories? Apr 08 07:28:58 like file selector, preferences etc Apr 08 07:29:01 qwerty12: mac os, but I have windows and linux in VMs if necessary, why? Apr 08 07:29:23 Oh, nothing, I was gonna suggest some long odd way that probably would have failed. Apr 08 07:29:28 KotCzarny, cool :) Apr 08 07:29:38 qwerty12: any pointers? Apr 08 07:29:42 GeneralAntilles: first provide one central repository with clean rules. then do what you told Apr 08 07:29:47 Extras Apr 08 07:29:54 That's the repository Apr 08 07:30:36 pumpkin, I was gonna say that change the class of the computer so it appears as a phone and it would show up in phone applet. I'm not sure on details but I know the N800 hcid.conf has the option. Apr 08 07:30:43 ah Apr 08 07:30:45 qwerty12: don't forget to switch mp3 decoder to mad Apr 08 07:30:54 builtin eats 90% cpu :) Apr 08 07:30:54 KotCzarny, Already done ;) :) Apr 08 07:31:02 I use it for A2DP Apr 08 07:31:48 GeneralAntilles: then why people mail maemo-devels ML again and again about rules for it? Apr 08 07:31:51 pumpkin, or you could probably hack the gconf entries so it appears to be a phone and shows up in the phone applet Apr 08 07:31:58 hmm Apr 08 07:32:10 I'll poke around a bit Apr 08 07:32:18 Because they can't find them on the website? Apr 08 07:32:20 I dunno. Apr 08 07:32:31 wtf is the paavo stuff? Apr 08 07:33:35 pumpkin, I believe maemo-pan is a nice easy way of using the PAN scripts posted on ITT, if you find them, you may be able to edit the scripts. Apr 08 07:34:11 qwerty12: you mean like these? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/pan-control?root=maemo-pan&view=markup Apr 08 07:34:27 I was poking around the source to try to find where it cares that it's a phone Apr 08 07:34:39 BTADDR=`su - $USER -c "gconftool-2 -g /system/osso/connectivity/BT/preferred"` Apr 08 07:34:40 BTNAME=`su - $USER -c "gconftool-2 -g /system/bluetooth/device/${BTADDR}/name"` imho is a good start Apr 08 07:35:02 now to install an ssh daemon for the device Apr 08 07:35:59 :( Apr 08 07:36:28 Morning, all Apr 08 07:36:32 Morning Apr 08 07:39:16 http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-running-on-n810.html Apr 08 07:41:14 Tobotras: well, that is cool :D Apr 08 07:41:41 Doesn't say anything about N800, is a keyboard an requirement? :( Apr 08 07:55:41 morning Apr 08 07:55:55 qwerty12: if you want me to respond join #kotc Apr 08 07:55:56 :) Apr 08 07:56:06 Ok :) Apr 08 08:10:01 how flite_1[1].3_armel.deb can works on my n800 os2008? Apr 08 08:18:58 install it then do flite --help ?? Apr 08 08:22:17 xournal_0.4.2.1-1chinook4_armel.deb oh :D Apr 08 08:22:32 lardman what is exactly xournal? Apr 08 08:22:55 Italodance, Yep, already got it installed on my N800 :) Went through dependency hell first though :P Apr 08 08:23:03 To me imho, virtual paper :P Apr 08 08:23:32 qwerty12 can it works perfect for u? xournal Apr 08 08:24:22 Yep, it works for me and I like it but I haven't found any situation I personally can use it in, here's the screenie I posted: http://i30.tinypic.com/14w4utc.png Apr 08 08:24:58 qwerty12 has it an icon in menu? Apr 08 08:24:58 bon dia / good morning Apr 08 08:25:04 Italodance, yes Apr 08 08:25:06 good morning Apr 08 08:25:55 qwerty12 ur background/wallpaper looks nice :D what is it? ur city ? Apr 08 08:26:13 hi lardman Apr 08 08:26:26 hi hrw :D Apr 08 08:26:31 Italodance, No :), it's one Underscore posted in the screenshots thread. It's Monaco, I'm in London :) Apr 08 08:26:53 hi Italodance Apr 08 08:27:20 qwerty12 funny :D Apr 08 08:28:50 Meh, not much scenery in London, at least in East London, where I am. Unless you count lots of stabbings. Apr 08 08:33:25 oh i need libart 2.0.2 :( Apr 08 08:33:47 Setting it up was hard, I can't remember the files I used TBH Apr 08 08:40:23 qwerty12, big up the east london massive, innit! Apr 08 08:40:44 yabbas, Lol, yeah bruv! :D Apr 08 08:41:01 also - there's plenty to see in london :D it's just we don't bother going out to see it! Apr 08 08:41:36 yabbas, definitely Apr 08 08:42:40 * yabbas has lived in london for 20+ years and still not gone inside the tower of london, up tower bridge, in madam taussauds, etc, etc Apr 08 08:42:53 all those touristy things Apr 08 08:43:23 wow, I've been Tower Of London on a school trip but that's it :p Apr 08 08:43:55 :) Apr 08 08:44:36 * yabbas looks at his wsod'd N810 and sighs Apr 08 08:45:22 You can't reflash it? :( Apr 08 08:45:30 libart 2.0.2 where is it? Apr 08 08:45:37 i can. I've been putting it off in the hopes I can fix it Apr 08 08:45:45 but I've given up now :) Apr 08 08:45:58 Oh right :). Where does it crash? Apr 08 08:46:17 hildon-desktop segfaults Apr 08 08:46:37 matchbox is running, I can load things through ssh Apr 08 08:46:44 Oh. Not sure about that, probably a desktop applet? Apr 08 08:47:17 naw, it happened after an apt-get upgrade...GA believes it's something in the SDK or RTComm beta repos Apr 08 08:47:50 I don't know what, strace output is obsfucated, yadda yadda :) Apr 08 08:48:01 Lol Apr 08 08:48:13 osso-software-version depends on pre-installed-documentation (= 4.5). Apr 08 08:48:15 idiots. Apr 08 08:48:38 such a shame coz I had everything setup nicely Apr 08 08:49:22 I know what you mean :(. I had to reflash when I set up my perfect system but I have to admit, I set it up even better after a reflash :\ Apr 08 08:50:24 I wonder if I should just setup the OS on the internal memory and boot from there form now on...but a part of me umms and ahhs over wearing out the nand flash Apr 08 08:53:43 right...reflash; bbl :) Apr 08 08:55:46 does anybody know where uudecode for CHINOOK_ARMEL can be found? Yes, I don't have it for some odd reason. Apr 08 08:57:12 qwerty12; I don't have it installed either, I think its in sharutils IIRC Apr 08 08:57:23 though that's not coming up with apt either :/ Apr 08 08:57:37 Ok, thanks :). I'll take a look, hopefully I find it. Apr 08 08:57:59 on a related level, has anyone repackaged coreutils for the n8x0 to parallel install. Apr 08 08:58:16 having a proper md5sum on the thing would be excellent. Apr 08 08:58:39 though I am working on rerolling that deb from debian, once I hack its ./configure to actually run in sbox Apr 08 09:00:23 * monkeyiq really wants some of the coreutils versions instead of bbox ones :| Apr 08 09:03:49 monkeyiq, Thanks! I just went grabbed uudecode from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/sharutils/download and extracted it from the deb and it works :) Apr 08 09:04:21 qwerty12; no worries :) I might do the same ;) Apr 08 09:05:05 I rebuilt and installed the parted deb from debian, I might reroll the whole sharutils deb in sbox Apr 08 09:05:30 Nice :) Apr 08 09:05:56 I couldn't get gparted to recompile unfortunately, gtkmm issues :/ Apr 08 09:22:25 Any hints with putenv? Apr 08 09:22:35 I've keep getting main.c:42: error: syntax error before string constant Apr 08 09:22:50 I've included #include in main.c Apr 08 09:34:38 not without seeing main.c:42 Apr 08 09:35:00 you could paste 10 lines of it into #ferris Apr 08 09:36:15 monkeyiq, putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=xmms"); Apr 08 09:36:27 I've tried so much variations. Sigh. Apr 08 09:37:49 hmm :/ Apr 08 09:38:37 I may be putting it into the wrong file or the right file but the wrong section. I would assume main.c would be the right file though? Apr 08 09:38:42 Put #define __USE_XOPEN before the putenv() Apr 08 09:38:51 the define on its own line Apr 08 09:39:32 Nope :(, "main.c:42: error: syntax error before string constant Apr 08 09:39:32 main.c:42: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `putenv' Apr 08 09:39:32 main.c:42: warning: data definition has no type or storage class Apr 08 09:39:32 " :( Apr 08 09:40:23 hmm. that was my guess after seeing the guards in sbox Apr 08 09:40:35 maybe there is another define needed to actually get the definition unlocked Apr 08 09:40:53 Ah, well, thanks anyway :), I'll guess I have to pray :P Apr 08 09:41:11 All the stuff I've seen just says to include stdlib.h (or something like that) Apr 08 09:42:52 yeah, its a strange one, it shouldn't be pushing tin to expect putenv() Apr 08 09:45:10 I wonder does someone from maemo website team ever heard about google search ;( Apr 08 09:45:35 google: "maemo scratchbox" - maemo site is somewhere on 2-3 page Apr 08 09:45:55 now that's a charmer of a build error "makeinfo: symbol qsort, version GLIBC_2.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" Apr 08 09:46:50 hrw, it's probably because they call it the sdk everywhere they can Apr 08 09:48:29 meh forget it, I'm just gonna call a script to define the variables. Apr 08 09:49:35 hi florian_ Apr 08 09:59:51 yay, md5sum and other coreutils tucked away for the n810. Finally the command line is looking more alive Apr 08 10:05:05 hello every body Apr 08 10:05:29 i want to use open gl in maemomm Apr 08 10:05:43 is there any body has experience related to this..? Apr 08 10:05:57 if then please suggest me how to use..! Apr 08 10:06:12 sarower: if you build mesa and do all in software... Apr 08 10:06:38 hrw: please give me the instruction in details.. Apr 08 10:06:54 how i can build mesa? Apr 08 10:06:57 hrw? Apr 08 10:07:49 sarower: go and read maemo sdk notes Apr 08 10:07:56 then sit in a corner and cry Apr 08 10:08:08 lol Apr 08 10:08:40 sarower, do you have the maemo sdk (scratchbox) installed yet? Apr 08 10:09:00 yah ofcourse.. Apr 08 10:09:11 johnx.. Apr 08 10:09:24 if you want to use mesa for software GL you'll need to compile it in scratchbox Apr 08 10:09:33 I suggest you start with the Debian source package for it Apr 08 10:09:51 how i can do it .. please.. Apr 08 10:11:17 : I can not find the debian source package.. in the web... Apr 08 10:11:35 can you please provide the link me... Apr 08 10:11:39 right here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/mesa Apr 08 10:11:40 :) Apr 08 10:11:57 grab the .dsc, the .tar.gz and the .diff.gz from the bottom of that page Apr 08 10:12:31 or add debian sources into apt Apr 08 10:12:41 yah please... Apr 08 10:12:48 put them all in the same directory, and type dpkg-source -x foo.dsc Apr 08 10:12:49 then the command..? Apr 08 10:13:00 "debuild -b -uc" Apr 08 10:13:23 well, that's a better idea :) Apr 08 10:14:23 "debuild -b -uc"..... dont understand Apr 08 10:17:26 you just run dpkg-source -x somepackage.dsc to unpack the source and apply the patches, then cd into the directory it makes and run debuild -b -uc Apr 08 10:24:21 or 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' but this will not tell you how many deps you lack Apr 08 10:24:45 or my favorite dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot :) Apr 08 10:25:03 I prefer debuild Apr 08 10:25:12 so many ways to do the same thing Apr 08 10:25:13 ;) Apr 08 10:25:16 i like it Apr 08 10:25:17 ;) Apr 08 10:25:17 I didn't even know about it until today :) Apr 08 10:25:25 ok Apr 08 10:25:25 The joys of *nix Apr 08 10:25:28 Thanx... Apr 08 10:25:38 less typing, check build deps, generate changes file and nicely cooperate with 'sudo debi' Apr 08 10:25:44 :) Apr 08 10:25:57 does it make pancakes too? Apr 08 10:26:02 no Apr 08 10:26:07 shucks. Apr 08 10:26:14 sounded too good to be true Apr 08 10:26:15 :) Apr 08 10:26:18 but does blowjobs on each tuesday at 13:37 Apr 08 10:26:27 lmao, I'm there ;) Apr 08 10:26:30 nah, for this i prefer real girl Apr 08 10:26:31 :) Apr 08 10:26:46 Linux can wipe me down any time ;) Apr 08 10:26:52 O_o Apr 08 10:27:39 I admit it! I had to buy new usb ports... I will make "PC World"! Apr 08 10:33:17 johnx, hrw: Unmet build dependencies: quilt (>= 0.40) libdrm-dev (>= 2.2.0) xutils-dev x11proto-gl-dev (>= 1.4.8) libxxf86vm-dev lesstif2-dev Apr 08 10:33:21 error Apr 08 10:33:47 yes, you'll need to track down the source packages for those dependencies on packages.debian.org and build them as well Apr 08 10:33:52 after debuild -b -uc Apr 08 10:34:15 libxxf86vm=https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=632 Apr 08 10:34:34 quilt? Apr 08 10:34:40 sarower: remember - maemo is not debian. you need to manually build all deps Apr 08 10:34:51 hmm Apr 08 10:34:59 libdrm-dev? Apr 08 10:35:42 hmm Apr 08 10:39:33 Any shell scripters? Can someone fix this script: "http://pastebin.ca/976652" . I need the command to be all on one line. It fails with the message "line 3: LC_ALL=C: not found" Apr 08 10:39:42 http://pastebin.ca/976652 Apr 08 10:40:11 EDIT: http://pastebin.ca/976657 Apr 08 10:41:02 <_|Nix|_> What's the point of the second pair of backquotes? Apr 08 10:41:26 I have no idea TBH. Apr 08 10:41:42 ah, hacking someone elses' script? Apr 08 10:42:20 I'm trying to "improve" xmms :P. As you can see, I'm not doing great. I must note I hacked your a2dp script :P Apr 08 10:42:26 SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=`basename $0` LC_ALL=C XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 exec /usr/bin/xmms "$@" Apr 08 10:42:33 Thanks :) Apr 08 10:42:56 qwerty12: tell me where your packages are Apr 08 10:43:08 For xmms? Apr 08 10:43:12 so I will have one repository less to track ;) Apr 08 10:43:45 as this is hack not solution Apr 08 10:43:59 I don't have a repo :). I just grabbed KotCzarny's xmms build and I am messing with it : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xmms Apr 08 10:44:20 wrong link Apr 08 10:44:22 :) Apr 08 10:44:45 My bad, sorry, I was guessing earlier and I must have copied wrong link from ff history Apr 08 10:45:07 this is temporary directory i have setup for the source :) Apr 08 10:46:03 better paste: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ Apr 08 10:46:40 Thanks :), you have some brilliant stuff in the N800 folder, I hope to take a better look sometime :) Apr 08 10:47:04 though it's more a mess than anything particular Apr 08 10:47:04 :) Apr 08 10:48:15 Just out of question, you know the xmms-pl.desktop, does that file get used for anything? Apr 08 10:48:42 probably Apr 08 10:48:50 never looked inside though Apr 08 10:48:52 :) Apr 08 10:49:18 I looked, and NoDisplay=true so it probably isnt used for starting anything :/ Apr 08 10:50:18 maybe it's just for drag'n'drop playlist interaction Apr 08 10:50:26 for desktop Apr 08 10:50:37 real desktop, not maemo Apr 08 10:50:58 Hehe, probably right. I don't think I have to make changes to that file then. Apr 08 10:51:25 :) Apr 08 11:05:39 that peculiar amazon ebook thingy can read papers and shit Apr 08 11:06:16 i know there are ebook readers for the n8x0, but does the same subscriptions work? Apr 08 11:06:43 the ebook reader for maemo (fbreader) can only read books without drm Apr 08 11:07:17 ah Apr 08 11:07:22 papers are drm? o0 Apr 08 11:07:38 you mean newspaper subscriptions? Apr 08 11:07:45 zomg, school papers? Apr 08 11:07:45 paying 400 bucks for a black and white screen with wifi is retarded Apr 08 11:07:47 or like pieces of paper? Apr 08 11:07:52 newspaper Apr 08 11:08:13 for books there is #bookz so no need for subscriptions Apr 08 11:08:31 drm is weevil Apr 08 11:08:32 for newspaper subscriptions, it's probably some proprietary format Apr 08 11:08:45 blargh Apr 08 11:08:51 'we don't approve you, reader, die' Apr 08 11:08:52 txt is the most underrated format ever Apr 08 11:09:07 * qwerty12 agrees, most of my ebooks are in txt Apr 08 11:09:15 html is not bad Apr 08 11:09:33 i hate pdf, and i hate those winrar-txt-wannabes Apr 08 11:09:40 html is ok Apr 08 11:09:40 and can be easily converted to txt via simple replace Apr 08 11:09:50 pdf is what annoys me Apr 08 11:10:00 pdf is for printing, not for reading Apr 08 11:10:01 :) Apr 08 11:10:18 its pointless, requires a lot of resources, its pointless, annoying, and pointless Apr 08 11:10:21 it's meant to produce the same results on paper Apr 08 11:10:21 lol Apr 08 11:10:27 not in head Apr 08 11:10:28 :) Apr 08 11:12:17 i used to read ebooks on the psp Apr 08 11:12:28 because of the wired remote Apr 08 11:12:47 mount the device on the nightstand with a windshield mount, control it with the remote Apr 08 11:12:50 with bookr or did something better come out? Apr 08 11:13:11 i converted txt files to jpg Apr 08 11:13:12 My PSP has a broken joystick, hasn't been touched in a year :P Apr 08 11:13:15 Ah Apr 08 11:13:31 that way i could get it vertically Apr 08 11:13:41 and much easier to find where i left off Apr 08 11:13:47 not that i tried any of the readers Apr 08 11:14:21 hmm Apr 08 11:14:41 should be possible to use a cellphone as a remote for maemo ebook readers Apr 08 11:14:58 like with canola and maemo mapper Apr 08 11:20:13 Cptnodegard: run hidd on tablet and you have it Apr 08 11:20:30 Cptnodegard: my cellphone handle BT-HID keyboard profile Apr 08 11:21:03 Which one? :), I have SE W810 which has "remote control" which is HID. Apr 08 11:21:22 yeah SE remote control is what that guy used for canola and m mapper Apr 08 11:22:07 Cptnodegard, do you have K550? I think I saw it in reflection in photo thread? (Yes, odd questions but I am a SE phone modder too :)) Apr 08 11:23:19 qwerty12: k750i Apr 08 11:23:43 qwerty12: with k750i firmware (when it comes to modding) Apr 08 11:23:51 You mean W800 firmware? :P Apr 08 11:23:57 Oh, my bad :D Apr 08 11:24:15 I messed up my K750, joystick and keypad broke. Apr 08 11:24:22 qwerty12: I had w800 firmware for 5 minutes Apr 08 11:24:49 qwerty12: as I do not use phone for music (only fm radio) w800 firmware was worse then k750 one Apr 08 11:25:16 Ah, I see. Did you miss the activity menu? Apr 08 11:25:51 o yes Apr 08 11:27:19 qwerty12 i got a k550 yes, but i havent modded it Apr 08 11:27:28 It's why I love my W810 :P. Walkman & Activity menu. The only thing is, I have too much patches and ELF's running that it's quite prone to reboots :) Apr 08 11:27:53 Cptnodegard, Nice :). IMHO, the best mod is flashing it to W610. Apr 08 11:28:10 i dont use it for music so little point Apr 08 11:28:44 Ah, I use mine for music. I don't use my N800 for music, IMHO it's too clunky. I only use the N800 for A2DP. Apr 08 11:29:19 i got....X amount of mp3 players so i dont use either for music Apr 08 11:30:41 the cell is merely an extension of the n800 for me, internet connection, remote control and camera Apr 08 11:43:07 does anyone know of a good chinese->english dictionary for maemo? Apr 08 11:43:41 Try a Stardict. Apr 08 11:45:17 that brings me to my follow-up question, does chinese handwriting recognition work yet? Apr 08 11:46:04 I haven't heard of one. But there is an on-screen keyboard based Chinese input method Apr 08 11:46:21 hi, Capn_Fish :) Apr 08 11:46:25 Hello Apr 08 11:46:32 what's it called johnx ? Apr 08 11:46:40 maemocjk Apr 08 11:46:59 Hi Apr 08 11:47:07 toed, http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 08 11:47:19 oh right I remember that one Apr 08 11:47:34 trouble is if you don't know how a character is pronounced you won't be able to input it that way :/ Apr 08 11:47:35 Sorry, I only have 5 minutes before I have to be off Apr 08 11:47:48 Capn_Fish, no worries :) Apr 08 11:48:01 Anyway, I'd like to have "standard" Debian on my N810. I assume I can just nuke the WM and have that? Apr 08 11:48:15 yup Apr 08 11:48:45 there's a hildon-desktop init script. Just don't run it and run whatever else you want instead Apr 08 11:48:46 Cool. I assume the keyboard is just a matter of patching and recompiling the kernel? Apr 08 11:49:09 Or compiling a module? Apr 08 11:49:14 you mean like an external keyboard? Apr 08 11:49:22 they should "just work" Apr 08 11:49:26 No, the internal one Apr 08 11:49:48 you'll want to stick with the Nokia sources for the kernel for now Apr 08 11:50:16 OK, if the Nokia kernel is being used, how come the KB doesn't funtion? Is it a mapping issue? Apr 08 11:50:38 ah, it's just some userspace thing. but I don't have an N810 to track down what the problem was Apr 08 11:51:04 might just be a matter of copying over a keymap Apr 08 11:51:09 I'll be more than happy th help with that Apr 08 11:51:32 I have to go now. Will you be around for a bit around 11 CST? Apr 08 11:51:50 how many hours from now? Apr 08 11:51:54 5 Apr 08 11:51:58 4 Apr 08 11:52:02 hopefully not :) Apr 08 11:52:06 OK Apr 08 11:52:13 I'll PM you then Apr 08 11:52:15 See ya Apr 08 11:52:16 ok Apr 08 11:52:20 later Apr 08 11:58:11 Is there any easy, straightforward way of preparing a program for DBUS? I've made my changes to the desktop file and I've made a service file. If there is not easy way then I can't be bothered. Not to be ignorant but I don't really know about programming and it would cause more hassle for you to try and explain. Apr 08 12:07:57 Does anyone know how I change my Maemo Garage project from alpha status to beta? Apr 08 12:08:06 I'm totally lost in the admin interface! Apr 08 12:16:48 qwerty, easiest way is to use libosso's osso_initialize Apr 08 13:07:34 how can I install a font on the sd card? Apr 08 13:07:45 make a symlink Apr 08 13:07:52 symlink to ~/.fonts will work? Apr 08 13:08:25 it should Apr 08 13:08:27 maybe, haven't looked in the config files Apr 08 13:08:38 cheers Apr 08 13:08:40 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8294 Apr 08 13:08:50 nice analysis Apr 08 13:08:56 (these 20mb chinese fonts are nutso) Apr 08 13:09:15 there are kind of a lot of kaji :) Apr 08 13:10:18 s/kaji/Kanji/g Apr 08 13:10:19 johnx meant: there are kind of a lot of Kanji :) Apr 08 13:10:29 * johnx is tired Apr 08 13:11:22 unfortunately yeah Apr 08 13:12:03 do you know how the "IM change on-the-fly" from maemocjk works? Apr 08 13:12:52 I had it installed in OS2007 but I haven't installed the OS2008 version yet so I don't know anything about it Apr 08 13:13:04 in OS2007 there was a drop down menu IIRC Apr 08 13:14:14 hrm Apr 08 13:14:21 how can i restart X ? Apr 08 13:14:26 reboot Apr 08 13:14:27 kill it Apr 08 13:14:41 you can try killing hildon-desktop Apr 08 13:14:48 if you only want to restart wm Apr 08 13:15:30 hildon-desktop isn't wm, matchbox is Apr 08 13:15:48 but doesn't it take mb down too? Apr 08 13:17:39 unlikely Apr 08 13:19:06 ah, well, matchbox-window-manager can be restarted too by a killing Apr 08 13:19:09 yay, Kingston micro to mini adaptor works Apr 08 13:20:07 johnx: oh does the im change not allow you to switch between scim and the original hildon one Apr 08 13:20:49 hi Apr 08 13:21:09 does someone know if Nokia n810 can connect to internet through an usb modem? Apr 08 13:21:23 toed, In the OS2007 version you were stuck with that same keyboard, but I don't know anything about the OS2008 version Apr 08 13:21:43 SamuraiDio, it would depend on how much power that USB modem needed from the USB port Apr 08 13:21:55 i'm runnign 07 as well Apr 08 13:22:17 ah, then yes you're stuck with that keyboard until you uninstall it Apr 08 13:22:35 that's too bad Apr 08 13:22:59 AFAIK, most of the hildon input method stuff was closed source in OS2007 Apr 08 13:23:06 (i didn't even know there *was* an os2008) Apr 08 13:23:12 :) Apr 08 13:23:26 toed, you have an N800? Apr 08 13:23:29 770 Apr 08 13:23:31 aaah Apr 08 13:23:53 there's an OS2008HE for the 770 these days, but it's supposed to be pretty slow Apr 08 13:23:57 * johnx has an N800 Apr 08 13:24:25 oh Apr 08 13:24:29 johnx, sure. but can the usb port of n810 be used to connect to usb storage devices, modems or other devices, or just to sync with a computer? Apr 08 13:24:33 well if i can get handwriting recognition to work i'm not too bothered Apr 08 13:24:55 SamuraiDio, it's a USB OTG port. It can act as a host. Apr 08 13:25:09 tnx Apr 08 13:25:11 I've personally used a keyboard and a USB flash drive on it Apr 08 13:25:20 whoa cool Apr 08 13:25:25 has anyone got the ruby-maemo examples/documentation from before maemo.rubyx.co.uk disappeared? Apr 08 13:25:43 toed, do you have a particular HWR program in mind? Apr 08 13:25:53 tomoe I guess Apr 08 13:26:13 i installed scim-tomoe but it's not showing up in the scim menu Apr 08 13:26:49 if you haven't search the internettablettalk.com forums yet that may be worthwhile Apr 08 13:27:10 I managed to get it working once ages ago Apr 08 13:27:23 some people have gotten it working more recently, IIRC Apr 08 13:27:32 I'll have a look then thanks Apr 08 13:33:26 well this is interesting, it keeps resetting itself when i try to open the scim setup Apr 08 13:33:34 :( Apr 08 13:38:48 anyone know a good howto for troubleshooting or getting icd and ppp to play with dialup ISPs? Apr 08 13:39:06 having trouble with the defaults icd uses to call pppd Apr 08 14:39:21 hi Apr 08 15:10:06 hi .. Apr 08 15:11:59 may i ask where can i ask more information about the "left" and "right" buttons that appear when we are in the fullscreen mode of N810 photo viewer? Apr 08 15:12:35 i mean where can i find more information about the "left" and "right" buttons .. Apr 08 15:12:39 :) thanks! Apr 08 15:12:53 * Cptnodegard sets mode +weirdo pernhuichia Apr 08 15:13:01 what about the left and right buttons?= Apr 08 15:13:19 the PDF reader has those too, I believe Apr 08 15:13:30 when you tap in the place where you saw the prev/next button it goes to the prev/next page Apr 08 15:15:09 ya .. may i ask how can i use them for my application ? Apr 08 15:17:09 is it a standard widget that we can use readily ? Apr 08 15:28:19 anyone has experience using tablet-encode on windows? Apr 08 15:42:28 I'm odd. I just wasted my time compiling IPV6 support when my router doesn't support it :\ Apr 08 15:43:42 it's ok, just write a new firmware for your router so it will support it :) Apr 08 15:44:33 Hehe, my router's weird. It's been a couple of years since I compiled a firmware for it, I've forgotten now :P Apr 08 15:44:56 & I can't remember how to cross compile for it. Apr 08 16:03:47 have a nice rest of day Apr 08 16:09:14 Is skype version with video support for n8xx exists? Apr 08 16:15:26 zeusn: no Apr 08 16:43:19 <^^atkarc^^> hello Apr 08 16:44:50 Hello, someone programmed with pybluez? Apr 08 16:45:08 I send an image as a n800 -> mobile, using the module pybluez? Apr 08 16:48:13 Is there a command line to set a program with realtime priority? Apr 08 16:48:54 realtime? Uhm.. Apr 08 16:48:57 Try nice/renice Apr 08 16:49:25 Ok, thanks, I'll try it out. I want to set xmms realtime on my N800 but running xmms as root messes up. Apr 08 16:50:52 You probably just want to prioritize the application. "realtime" is impossible imo on that platform (and OS) Apr 08 16:53:41 Hmm, thanks for that but that requires PID's. I plan on running renice from a script so my PID would be different each time. is there any other programs? I don't mind trying to compile them for armel. Apr 08 16:54:43 I could point to my previous answer, but you didn't bother to accept the answer the first time.. Apr 08 16:55:59 qwerty12: pidof? Apr 08 16:56:19 I'm sorry but I just want to try. I'm bit more accustomed to windows and you just get Realtime, high etc, I'm not really sure about prioritising so I just wanna try realtime. Again I am sorry. Apr 08 16:56:39 nice someprocess Apr 08 16:56:45 pH5, ok, thanks. I'll look into it. I'm not really a scripter. Apr 08 16:57:49 Check nice --help or man nice if you want to start something with a different priority. Check renice if you want to change the priority of something later (and you have various ways to get a pid from name) Apr 08 16:58:52 Blafasel, I don't seem to have nice on the tablet. Also I think renice is a better solution as I wish to run xmms as "user" but change to higher priorites via root Apr 08 16:59:18 qwerty12: Ok, fair enough (and I admit that I didn't check for nice before). Apr 08 17:00:34 Blafasel, :) , nice would be a good solution except the xmms I have doesn't like being run via root >.< Apr 08 17:03:09 Ok, what is the highest number I can set priority too, failing that, the most reasonable number? Apr 08 17:05:35 19 to -20 Apr 08 17:18:16 Just got an N800 here, where could i read about how to change OS to 2008? Apr 08 17:19:26 try these search terms in google, maemo flash Apr 08 17:19:59 thanks Apr 08 17:30:46 hi there Apr 08 17:31:07 is there an alternative terminal for os2008 ? I didn't find one, and the stock one lacks some functions Apr 08 17:32:29 http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/android-lands-on-the-n810-blows-our-minds/ Apr 08 17:36:23 Cptnodegard, yeah, saw that Apr 08 17:37:34 <|zeus|> can i do google-talk call with video from computer to n810 Apr 08 17:41:53 afaik, no Apr 08 17:42:12 uh, I didn't think engadget was that prone to hype. "we heard that one can run android on n810 and it's awesome" doesn't sound like in-depth review to me :) Apr 08 17:42:34 haha Apr 08 17:42:34 it's google related, therefore awesome. qed Apr 08 17:42:39 ^ Apr 08 17:42:41 yeh.. Apr 08 17:43:57 Must be. Like Apple's iPhone was perfect (if you don't want to do certain, or, well, a lot of things with it) Apr 08 17:46:40 zuh: with apple the hype goes that there exists nothing but apple Apr 08 17:47:59 what? the 810 isn't made by apple? i thought they made all the cool gadgets Apr 08 17:48:21 mwaldron: in apple-hype world 810 doesn't exist Apr 08 17:48:55 just like pretending the same with set top boxes, phones, mp3 players, whatever Apr 08 17:49:07 it goes through some of press too Apr 08 17:53:36 Linux doesn't exist in the Apple world Apr 08 17:55:12 Yeah, they run BSD ;) Apr 08 17:57:49 yup Apr 08 17:57:56 osx based on bsd Apr 08 18:02:27 I just installed sdk+ on an ubuntu gutsy, using the instructions on the website Apr 08 18:02:32 but scratchbox does not work Apr 08 18:02:47 it says "error loading ...../main.lua" Apr 08 18:13:14 Would anybody happen to have a link to the original OS2007HE announcement? Apr 08 18:13:18 I can't seem to find it on maemo.org Apr 08 18:17:42 :P Apr 08 18:17:50 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1183720952.html <- this one? Apr 08 18:24:03 That's not the first, unfortunately. Apr 08 18:26:35 GeneralAntilles: why, OOI? Apr 08 18:26:50 Working on the wikipedia article. Apr 08 18:27:23 This seems to work well enough for a reference http://www.notacloud.com/blog/?p=27 Apr 08 18:28:59 * Jaffa has had to get out his N810 and start MediaBo loudly to cover the sickening phlegmy noises being made by the bloke next to him on the train Apr 08 18:38:57 Anybody remember off-hand what ITOS was called before it was ITOS (and when they switched)? Apr 08 18:39:03 I'm blanking. . . . Apr 08 18:39:51 was it ever not called IT OS? Apr 08 18:40:12 the earliest was OS2005, right? Apr 08 18:40:38 I'm fairly certain ITOS came later, but I could be wrong. Apr 08 18:42:46 here they talk about "SDK matching the latest OS 2006 Software Edition available here." http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html Apr 08 18:47:33 * mgedmin thinks the full name always was "Internet Tablet Operating System 200x Software Edition", shortened to "IT OS 200x" or "OS 200x" or "200x SE" Apr 08 18:51:44 unless you arrpe running the he Apr 08 18:54:04 If somebody wants to compile some highlights of the important API and package changes for each ITOS release, it'd be much appreciated. :D Apr 08 18:54:36 should we compile your slippers into it as well? Apr 08 18:54:50 and pipe :P Apr 08 18:55:04 Hey, I'm doing most of the grunt work here! :P Apr 08 18:55:09 But, yes, please. Apr 08 18:55:18 lol being a male cheerleader is hard work isnt it Apr 08 18:55:57 :) Apr 08 18:56:28 its a shame i cant scrollback and see just what your asking for - i wonder if i could make a shared scrollback between main computer and this 810 Apr 08 18:56:53 <||cw> like, a log? Apr 08 18:57:05 or a screen Apr 08 18:57:10 wekk yer but xchat lists it in here Apr 08 18:57:15 well* Apr 08 18:57:32 i can scrollback about 6 months in this window everytiem i open it Apr 08 18:58:08 <||cw> yeah, xchat loads from the log Apr 08 18:58:36 <||cw> it's just a text file, load it over ssh or whatever Apr 08 18:58:57 yer but its not just a copy - its gotta be merged in time Apr 08 18:59:22 some of the time i am logged in with both Apr 08 19:00:06 lcuk2 Apr 08 19:00:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo Apr 08 19:00:31 hang on, theres an almost live log available i could just use that Apr 08 19:00:42 Nice. My bug on extras upload difficulty has finally been moved to assigned state. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558 Apr 08 19:01:16 Good, X-Fade! Apr 08 19:01:22 s/Good/Go/ Apr 08 19:01:22 GeneralAntilles meant: Go, X-Fade! Apr 08 19:09:05 http://etrunko.blogspot.com/ android on the nokia it hardware :p Apr 08 19:09:14 again? Apr 08 19:09:16 :P Apr 08 19:09:30 Alright, first draft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo Apr 08 19:09:40 yeah. would be interesting to see android first hand Apr 08 19:13:11 would be interesting yes Apr 08 19:18:50 But now... I'm much more interested in why I cannot get my home applet timers working properly Apr 08 19:19:32 GeneralAntilles, :) i just scrolled back and can see why - i also just read the former maemo page and your draft is a great improvement :) Apr 08 19:19:43 Not saying much. ;) Apr 08 19:20:23 Would somebody more familiar with the technical details of the SDK be willing to write up an overview for me? Apr 08 19:21:57 ssvb :) Apr 08 19:24:56 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4355 Apr 08 19:25:02 humm Apr 08 19:27:02 missing kb Apr 08 19:27:10 looks droolworthy tho Apr 08 19:28:34 "However, that vid was all flash based animation. " Apr 08 19:28:56 gui in flash, lol Apr 08 19:29:22 needs hw accell to get flash like that - i dont think even my computer is that smooth Apr 08 19:29:28 unless of course its lower res Apr 08 19:29:48 i wonder what's the battery life Apr 08 19:29:58 why do you think it was tethered Apr 08 19:30:03 if it's good then it has perfect screen size for me Apr 08 19:30:24 yes it seems a nice size - arent the archos devices similar Apr 08 19:30:27 4.8" Apr 08 19:30:29 hum Apr 08 19:30:39 looks much bigger on that vid though Apr 08 19:30:45 maybe that lady has small hands :) Apr 08 19:30:47 small hands Apr 08 19:30:48 lol Apr 08 19:31:40 <]-[andful_of_not> why do so much 3D if you cannot afford it : p Apr 08 19:31:41 <]-[andful_of_not> :) Apr 08 19:31:46 right, with or without the pvr i want to find a way to scale bitmaps without taking huge amounts of time Apr 08 19:32:07 <]-[andful_of_not> lcuk: please let me know if you find out :))) Apr 08 19:32:27 * lcuk curses this 810 - its like buying a car but being told 5th gear is not there Apr 08 19:32:35 lcuk: write a dsp program? Apr 08 19:32:36 :) Apr 08 19:32:44 Pfft Apr 08 19:32:47 <]-[andful_of_not> KotCzarny: I really don't think the dsp would work on this :) Apr 08 19:32:48 technically we have SIMD instructions and the nice dsp coprocessor available Apr 08 19:33:01 More like buying a car and not knowing there's a fifth gear. :P Apr 08 19:33:15 i knew alright, i read about the engine before Apr 08 19:33:44 <]-[andful_of_not> Raster did some experiment with the dsp but the gain was not worth the effort at all Apr 08 19:33:54 more like 'there's a turbocompressor, but we left out a buttons and wires for it' Apr 08 19:33:56 :) Apr 08 19:33:57 ]-[andful_of_not, why dont you think dsp will work - its usable now Apr 08 19:34:11 ahhh sorry Apr 08 19:34:17 * lcuk didnt look up in time Apr 08 19:34:56 <]-[andful_of_not> :) np Apr 08 19:35:11 it should be possible to scale and rotate though - sure its not real 3d, but neither was doom etc Apr 08 19:35:29 . Apr 08 19:35:52 hmm Apr 08 19:35:56 it has optical mouse Apr 08 19:36:01 (that lenovo pad) Apr 08 19:36:01 <]-[andful_of_not> we also tought, but after rasters tryout and lack of improvements we decided to pray for a GL ES enabled device hehehe Apr 08 19:36:28 atom processors have HW flash acceleration Apr 08 19:36:29 Vnc for n180 Apr 08 19:36:33 I think Apr 08 19:36:39 hon: can he make that code public? Apr 08 19:36:40 :) Apr 08 19:36:44 it just needs careful examination of the init code from some other device running same cpu/pvr Apr 08 19:36:53 (someone was talking about the flash speed on the lenovo device) Apr 08 19:37:10 atom processors have LOTS of niceness Apr 08 19:37:16 indeed. Apr 08 19:37:17 (in a very small package) Apr 08 19:37:22 YOU HAVE NICENESS! Apr 08 19:37:24 ...] Apr 08 19:37:25 :/ Apr 08 19:37:37 i can has niceness Apr 08 19:37:59 then again, so do the omap processors. ... only drivers missing... Apr 08 19:38:01 Atom isn't quite up to OMAP levels, though. Apr 08 19:38:21 even the omap 2 could do accelerated flash with openvg drivers Apr 08 19:38:23 Not being SoCs is a fairly large disadvantage. Apr 08 19:39:12 konttor: but if there's no software (drivers) then it's like there is no niceness included Apr 08 19:39:24 shame we don't have the drivers.... Apr 08 19:39:33 we dont need accel flash if the rendering is simply quicker - its accel everything. Apr 08 19:39:58 konttori, can't you go and knock some heads around over there and get them for us? :D Apr 08 19:40:03 <]-[andful_of_not> :) Apr 08 19:40:17 it's up to nokia or hackers Apr 08 19:40:21 ti won't help Apr 08 19:40:22 KotCzarny, were you asking ]-[andful_of_not if the code was available to that raster test? Apr 08 19:40:29 GA: wish it was that easy. If it was up to me, we'd have them. Apr 08 19:40:32 their hands are ti'ed Apr 08 19:40:47 * GeneralAntilles nominates konttori for teh ultimate decision making powars! Apr 08 19:41:09 Is there a 3d rendering software compatible with the N180 Apr 08 19:41:24 lcuk: yes, about that dsp code, every bit of example helps :) Apr 08 19:41:26 With the power invested in me by GA.... behold the opengl drivers.... Apr 08 19:41:27 N180! Apr 08 19:41:32 Is that like the N360/2? Apr 08 19:41:36 no. we have no base driver which is needed to talk to the 3d hardware. Apr 08 19:41:44 do we? Apr 08 19:41:46 Bzzt... bzzt... Not enough power.... Noooo.... Apr 08 19:41:48 Captain maemo! Apr 08 19:42:10 ah, sorry, misread Apr 08 19:42:11 :) Apr 08 19:42:15 quick - cross the streams! Apr 08 19:42:22 No, don't cross the streams! Apr 08 19:42:40 opengl drivers for the IT's seems akin to Duke Nukem Forever Apr 08 19:42:50 lol MangoFusion :) very apt Apr 08 19:43:02 cos they just announced a DNF port to maemo Apr 08 19:43:03 Well, we do have some hope. Apr 08 19:43:07 Just not for this generation stuff. Apr 08 19:43:37 ahhh, but this device will outlive lots of things Apr 08 19:43:38 <]-[andful_of_not> KotCzarny: I will ask him, it was just before we handled him a N800 last year in the 2007 bossa conference: ) I don;t know if he still does have those experiments :/ Apr 08 19:43:44 <]-[andful_of_not> but if he has I think he would share it Apr 08 19:43:56 hon: great :) Apr 08 19:44:00 <]-[andful_of_not> but I can also ask some other dsp dudes (konttori, can you also ask) ? Apr 08 19:44:05 handful, if you can get anything it would be great Apr 08 19:44:18 <]-[andful_of_not> because AFAIK : it doesn't help for a couple of reasons : / Apr 08 19:44:21 yes, if we can get some tests together maybe something can come of it :) Apr 08 19:44:49 <]-[andful_of_not> we would do ANYTHING to get better scaling that we have now, and ours is pretty good already ; / but is not comparade with a accell version AT all Apr 08 19:44:50 <]-[andful_of_not> :) Apr 08 19:45:02 cheat! Apr 08 19:45:08 as nv does :) Apr 08 19:45:40 Hehe, slow the animations down by half. ;) Apr 08 19:45:52 tick-tick-tick Apr 08 19:45:56 ]-[andful_of_not, all the more reason to dig the code out - if we can make any improvements they would naturally be brought back to the fold Apr 08 19:45:58 I can ask some dsp examples to be published if I have the time this week (might also be not possible... let's see) Apr 08 19:46:22 these things benefit mankind Apr 08 19:46:27 (well us lot) Apr 08 19:46:28 uSB control does it work? Apr 08 19:46:42 what do you need the scaling for anyway? Apr 08 19:46:47 <]-[andful_of_not> yes we know and Raster would for sure release if anything was showing promising results that :) Apr 08 19:46:48 hmmmm usb coprocessor - would still be faster than internal ;) Apr 08 19:46:51 yeah, it should work. Apr 08 19:47:21 <]-[andful_of_not> konttori: for what? Anything like zooming, scalling icons faster / better in real time, etc Apr 08 19:47:46 because if you want to move an image somewhere you want it larger or smaller if you clicked on it - or any other number of reasons Apr 08 19:48:24 the lcd already gives us whole display scaling, but we need finer grain Apr 08 19:48:45 yeah, eyecandy Apr 08 19:48:54 lcuk: pip? Apr 08 19:48:56 :) Apr 08 19:49:09 thats avaialble from the lcd - you just make a smaller window and then it draws inside it Apr 08 19:49:22 leaves all remaining data where it was so you can update inside faster than outside Apr 08 19:49:33 and that even scales Apr 08 19:49:39 you probably don't want to do that sort of stuff on the dsp. Apr 08 19:49:53 its how come i can show an 800*480 display in a window in hildon Apr 08 19:49:58 processor is probably much more efficient Apr 08 19:50:05 no i know we dont want to do that Apr 08 19:50:24 <^^atkarc> byez Apr 08 19:50:29 but there is nothing wrong in asking it to blit a grid of tiles for us while i am calculating other things Apr 08 19:50:48 say for a paralax scrolling space game Apr 08 19:50:49 free cycles :) Apr 08 19:51:00 at 800*480 Apr 08 19:51:21 <]-[andful_of_not> Instead of this I would prefer no tearing :) Apr 08 19:51:39 tear free using xv library 800*480 27fps Apr 08 19:51:46 <]-[andful_of_not> for paralx scrolling, double pixel buffering could work quite nicely :) (I know it;'s low resolution ) Apr 08 19:52:15 handful check back later and ask kot for a link Apr 08 19:52:27 lol Apr 08 19:52:27 i should have set up a page with an example Apr 08 19:52:31 <]-[andful_of_not> a link for what? Apr 08 19:52:43 <]-[andful_of_not> example of ? Apr 08 19:52:49 tear free using xv library 800*480 27fps Apr 08 19:52:55 fullscreen scrolling Apr 08 19:52:57 <]-[andful_of_not> on the n800? Apr 08 19:53:02 810 Apr 08 19:53:03 <]-[andful_of_not> n810 ? Apr 08 19:53:09 <]-[andful_of_not> ha! Apr 08 19:53:13 <]-[andful_of_not> that I really want to see Apr 08 19:53:13 <]-[andful_of_not> :) Apr 08 19:53:19 but to get color i need some help Apr 08 19:53:21 <]-[andful_of_not> please Apr 08 19:53:28 hence wanting to use dsp Apr 08 19:53:39 <]-[andful_of_not> how did you managed to workaround the lack of bandwith? Apr 08 19:53:48 right lemme go setup a document and get some code up there Apr 08 19:53:56 ive gotta do some sanitising and cleaning up first Apr 08 19:54:01 <]-[andful_of_not> ok Apr 08 19:54:07 there is no lack of bandwidth Apr 08 19:54:16 800480 YUV screen is fast enough Apr 08 19:54:24 its not RGB Apr 08 19:54:31 (which is not enough) Apr 08 19:54:36 <]-[andful_of_not> ok the video format Apr 08 19:54:46 <]-[andful_of_not> so you want now to convert back to rgb to display Apr 08 19:54:50 <]-[andful_of_not> I see Apr 08 19:54:58 <]-[andful_of_not> well :) hehhe Apr 08 19:55:06 no Apr 08 19:55:20 it renders to the lcd at yuv - that is a standard input format for it Apr 08 19:55:55 1 plane 800*480 "grey", 1 plane 400*240 "U" , 1 plane 400*240 "V" Apr 08 19:55:57 <]-[andful_of_not> ok so I will ask the link to Kont :) and see if the guys on the team here can help / get the doc from raster also Apr 08 19:56:02 so its less memory Apr 08 19:56:38 i have enough cpu to render whole screen in color but not much time left for anything else Apr 08 19:56:45 <]-[andful_of_not> ah ok.. Apr 08 19:56:51 lcuk, you need more release. :P Apr 08 19:56:53 if i render in b&w i have plenty of time Apr 08 19:56:59 dropping to 25fps will leave some cycles Apr 08 19:57:35 yes, dropping to 640*480 leaves more still and doesnt half look bad (really - 1 pixel on a 225dpi screen lost every now and then...) Apr 08 19:57:47 look good* Apr 08 19:57:56 tearing is caused by the slow BUS between the main memory and the epson lcd controller. No power in the world can help in that Apr 08 19:58:23 no, but i want to take away the blit cycles which are used drawing the screen Apr 08 19:58:37 only way is the double pixel (thus, 4x frames, thus, no tearing) Apr 08 19:58:41 the screen is a memory buffer - i need something to help me splatter all the data onto it Apr 08 19:58:42 <]-[andful_of_not> yeah konttori , his approach is different.. but at least in my projects will not help : / even if the dsp could handle the drawing part : / Apr 08 19:59:09 * ]-[andful_of_not is cursed hehehe Apr 08 20:00:00 #i will accept help from the cpu (using optimised SIMD instructions where possible), the PVR and its video processing subunit (does scaling / conversion), the DSP or anywhere else people can imagine Apr 08 20:00:53 :) back later Apr 08 20:01:26 :) Apr 08 20:01:31 breakfast time Apr 08 20:01:34 bbl Apr 08 20:02:17 lcuk: do you use the fast memcopy to do the blitting (the one that the mplayer developer ported) Apr 08 20:02:29 that should help during blitting Apr 08 20:03:03 is there any reason nobody has released a hacked glibc yet with that memcpy as default? :) Apr 08 20:03:13 memcopy would waste cycles - a blit was needed which i've got as best as i can Apr 08 20:04:01 konttori: that was only optimized for 770, but I heared somebody tuned memcpy for ARM11 as well Apr 08 20:04:25 its mainly been spans of about 8 longs multiplied 30 times per glyph. much slower to call any function than to use long access where possible in a register optimised loop Apr 08 20:04:48 ssvb: ah. In any case, it was truly splendid work Apr 08 20:06:59 hi, does someone use sb2 on an ubuntu gutsy ? Apr 08 20:07:27 lots of someones do Apr 08 20:07:47 ok, has someone ever had the "Error loading main.lua" error ? Apr 08 20:07:51 * KotCzarny is me, so no ubuntu here Apr 08 20:08:11 lcuk: mplayer has an optimized software scaler for YUV format, it is used on 770 which does not have arbitrary HW scaling Apr 08 20:09:10 lcuk: it does not have the best image quality, but it is very fast Apr 08 20:09:30 I followed the standard install procedure, and lua50 is installed on this machine Apr 08 20:10:46 ssvb :) wonderful, i will take a look Apr 08 20:15:17 lcuk: technically also a true bilinear scaling is possible (and I had plans to implement it), but that would be somewhat slower Apr 08 20:16:18 i dont think it would be needed. i'm only thinking of small effects on pre-existing glyphs Apr 08 20:17:10 hmm Apr 08 20:17:22 how about making a commnity acceleration lib? Apr 08 20:17:25 what license do people commonly put code under that is just playtests. any/none/pd/gpl? Apr 08 20:17:27 community Apr 08 20:17:27 :) Apr 08 20:17:48 lcuk: if you plan on releasing it as a gpl later, then gpl :) Apr 08 20:17:53 there is already one - sdl Apr 08 20:17:56 if anything other, then anything other Apr 08 20:17:56 I'd GPL Apr 08 20:18:25 lcuk: but is it accelerated? Apr 08 20:18:56 no kot - thats what i mean though - target the accell lib towards simply improving sdl... Apr 08 20:18:59 it helps most people Apr 08 20:19:07 mhm Apr 08 20:19:19 i don't mind drop-in compatibility at all :) Apr 08 20:20:31 actually it wouldnt matter because you could just have a do_x_sdl(...) calll Apr 08 20:20:37 and it takes sdl bitmaps Apr 08 20:21:02 but the problem with sdl is the amount of options available per bitmap type Apr 08 20:21:10 the amount of branching before you get to the good stuff Apr 08 20:30:34 * KotCzarny started n8x0 faq: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/faq-n8x0.html Apr 08 20:48:19 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/fanoush/2008/04/07/tearsync_now_works_with_770 Apr 08 21:08:58 KotCzarny: yes, that's a very nice feature. Now if we can efficiently load a 252MHz C55x DSP core with a useful work, 770 may turn into a very good multimedia device. Apr 08 21:09:26 better late than never? Apr 08 21:09:30 :) Apr 08 21:09:57 ssvb: btw. what's the status of dsp/gst on n8x0 and mplayer ? Apr 08 21:10:38 i have noticed it loops after seeking for a few seconds then continues Apr 08 21:10:39 KotCzarny: haven't looked into it Apr 08 21:10:46 effect i haven't seen before Apr 08 21:11:30 and only video loops Apr 08 21:11:39 sound is played ok Apr 08 21:28:10 might've asked this before...OFFTOPIC...I have a 250GB sata hardrive....but in computer management it says that the hardrive is 500GB and that i have 185GB unallocated. Apr 08 21:28:22 does this mean that the hardrive might be dying? Apr 08 21:28:47 have you tinkered with it? Apr 08 21:29:15 no Apr 08 21:29:28 try in another computer Apr 08 21:29:34 or boot some livecd Apr 08 21:29:39 and check again Apr 08 21:29:43 really afraid to partition that 185 unallocated Apr 08 21:29:46 lol Apr 08 21:29:54 ok Apr 08 21:30:07 try hdtune too Apr 08 21:30:22 it should tell you what it reports on hw level Apr 08 21:30:42 hdtune is a nice little tool for winxp Apr 08 21:30:58 cool Apr 08 21:31:00 thanks Apr 08 21:38:27 howdy y'all, quick question if anyone knows it...i have an N810 and i see in the calendar it has home & destination clocks, is it possible ot have the alarm & the applet display the destinatoin time and not the home time? I hate haveing to change my clock while i'm traveling... Apr 08 21:45:20 nm i see that you can't really do that Apr 08 21:45:42 the n810 assumes your "home" does not change and that you don't ever travel Apr 08 21:46:06 weird that a mobile tablet has something designed such that it assumes you never "leave" your home timezone Apr 08 21:46:07 sigh Apr 08 21:46:52 dmz, there's a bug on bugzilla Apr 08 21:46:54 Vote on it. Apr 08 21:57:11 url? Apr 08 21:58:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693 Apr 08 21:58:24 thanks Apr 08 22:02:27 Android on the N810 Apr 08 22:02:35 http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/android-nokia-n810-2.jpg Apr 08 22:03:03 lol Apr 08 22:03:11 I wonder how many more times people are gonna bring that up Apr 08 22:03:21 I will be back in an hour to repeat. Apr 08 22:03:35 fysa: with screenshots! Apr 08 22:03:36 just in case Apr 08 22:03:36 :) Apr 08 22:03:41 :P Apr 08 22:03:57 heh Apr 08 22:05:59 http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:-FwwMJM_M1wJ:elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP+http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a Apr 08 22:06:09 a cache of the Android_on_OMAP wiki is the best I can do. Apr 08 22:06:28 was elinux shut down? Apr 08 22:06:37 just overrun I believe. Apr 08 22:08:40 http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals/browse_thread/thread/7028432fa76f57e8/1556f431d3eb1e57 Apr 08 22:09:21 no touchscreen yet Apr 08 22:10:03 okay, iphone has a one click to jailbreak and unlock. where is the same for n810->android? Apr 08 22:10:07 :-) Apr 08 22:10:15 iphone->android even ;) Apr 08 22:12:16 lol Apr 08 22:12:34 fysa: that would be hot. Apr 08 22:13:16 wouldn't expect anything usable for anyone without an entire day/weekend to spend on it in the next 6 months.. Apr 08 22:14:05 hopefully this time next year we are awash in lovely applications and widgets Apr 08 22:47:04 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167142#post167142 too much to ask for you guys and gals to post your tablet doodlers on that thread? Apr 08 22:47:10 perty please Apr 08 22:47:47 Yes Apr 08 22:47:49 You're so demanding. Apr 08 22:49:35 just a little Apr 08 22:52:32 :P Apr 08 22:59:00 how do I create a symlink that allows me to share a directory that lives outside my scratchbox so that I can access it from within my scratchbox? Apr 08 22:59:22 scratchbox is chrooted Apr 08 22:59:34 so you can't i gues Apr 08 22:59:35 s Apr 08 22:59:57 you can only share some dir outside Apr 08 22:59:59 it is linux, there must be a way! :) Apr 08 23:00:08 sure, hardlinks Apr 08 23:00:09 :) Apr 08 23:00:16 but don't ask me about details Apr 08 23:00:46 * dougt_ RTFM. Apr 08 23:00:47 (or if it will work) Apr 08 23:01:14 * KotCzarny runs away Apr 08 23:03:29 hi, has anyone tried mobilemyth on nokia770? Apr 08 23:03:39 cant seem to find any screenshots of it Apr 08 23:03:45 only of maemomyth Apr 08 23:08:22 dougt_: mount --bind Apr 08 23:08:40 jiten: last time i checked it didn't work Apr 08 23:09:11 you mean with chroot or at all? Apr 08 23:09:12 but it was sshfs mounted dir there Apr 08 23:09:21 with chroot Apr 08 23:09:26 i use --bind quite often Apr 08 23:10:22 Jiten_: basically I want to be able to access one directory ($HOME/build/moz.19) from both my regular login (to do x86-desktop builds) and from within sbox (to do arm device builds). Apr 08 23:10:54 move that dir to sbox tree and symlink it outside Apr 08 23:10:59 that way it will work Apr 08 23:11:00 :) Apr 08 23:11:10 Well, I personally solved the issue by symlinking a directory from inside scratchbox to my real homedir. Apr 08 23:11:50 just a subdirectory though. Apr 08 23:12:24 how do you access your home dir from inside the sbox? Apr 08 23:12:34 no no, the other way around Apr 08 23:12:47 the directory is inside sbox, homedir has symlink to it Apr 08 23:12:56 yeah. Apr 08 23:13:04 that is what KotCzarny is saying. Apr 08 23:13:14 i hate it that way. :-) Apr 08 23:13:21 life Apr 08 23:13:25 indeed. Apr 08 23:13:30 if you don't like symlinks just make hardlink Apr 08 23:13:31 :) Apr 08 23:13:37 * dougt_ added to my list of things to fix if I have inf time. Apr 08 23:13:40 you could try mount --bind, if it works it'd solve it. Apr 08 23:13:46 lol Apr 08 23:14:24 as long homedir and scratchbox are on the same partition it will work Apr 08 23:14:30 yeah, something about trusting your src dir to something you never tried before doesn't really float my boat. Apr 08 23:14:31 (hardlinking) Apr 08 23:14:54 KotCzarny: what is the drawback? Apr 08 23:15:13 you have to remember it's available from 2 places Apr 08 23:15:18 mount --bind practically makes one physical directory to exist in two places on the directory hierarchy Apr 08 23:15:36 so if you compile for arm and then use it also from x86 you can make a mess Apr 08 23:16:02 KotCzarny: our build system has separate obj dirs. Apr 08 23:16:15 also, you can't make hardlinks over different partitions (mount --bind is for that) Apr 08 23:17:48 cool Apr 08 23:18:01 sudo mount --bind /home/dougt/builds/moz1.9 /scratchbox/users/dougt/home/dougt/moz1.9 Apr 08 23:18:06 seems to have worked just fine. Apr 08 23:46:28 heh Apr 08 23:46:47 RSS feed applet is fail :p Apr 08 23:55:59 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208317 Apr 08 23:56:01 hummm Apr 08 23:56:48 I wonder why they are not available in HI, AK, or PR. Apr 08 23:57:06 wow. i love teh commentts. Apr 08 23:57:13 maybe they only ship to continental us Apr 08 23:57:23 yeah, comments are nice ;) Apr 09 00:29:20 anyone familiar with gpe contacts? I'm looking for a method to export them Apr 09 00:29:32 is there a way to turn off the camera light while the camera is enabled? Apr 09 00:39:07 http://youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s the 'McCain Girls' - it's Raining McCain Apr 09 00:39:11 for KotCzarny Apr 09 00:39:17 >_> Apr 09 00:48:27 heh Apr 09 00:48:44 yay for rss applet source Apr 09 00:51:47 in OS2008, is there a way to resize the web shortcut applet? Apr 09 00:53:30 anybody know how I can get gst-inspect/gst-launch on my n800? Apr 09 00:57:05 remicles: yeah. Apr 09 00:57:32 vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Apr 09 00:57:40 add Apr 09 00:57:41 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free Apr 09 00:57:45 i've tried 'apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools', but that didn't work for os2008 Apr 09 00:57:45 apt-get update Apr 09 00:57:58 then do the install gstreamer* Apr 09 00:58:04 ok, thanks Apr 09 01:01:56 thanks, that did it Apr 09 01:27:26 * lcuk needs to sleep Apr 09 01:28:43 Don't tell us about it Apr 09 01:28:44 do. Apr 09 01:41:34 @yow ! Apr 09 02:04:57 i just paired a BT headset Apr 09 02:05:11 So the question is, how do I make the Gizmo Project app use it? Apr 09 02:05:27 it uses the internal speaker by default Apr 09 02:06:52 Use rtcomm Apr 09 02:07:05 Unless you really need video, rtcomm > Gizmo Apr 09 02:08:14 thanks.. looking into it Apr 09 02:10:31 Is there any way to use vnc to a desktop Apr 09 02:11:09 Is there a app? Apr 09 02:11:56 Compatible with TehN810 Apr 09 02:12:10 x11vnc Apr 09 02:12:11 BTW, i don't need video yet.. but are you saying Gizmo s/w is capable of that? Apr 09 02:12:14 or whatever it's called Apr 09 02:12:24 The N810 Apr 09 02:13:06 Gizmo is a chat client right? Apr 09 02:13:44 VoIP Apr 09 02:14:10 Gizmo on the NITs can do video Apr 09 02:14:10 X11vnc will it work with show my pc Apr 09 02:14:54 unixSnob to other NITs and to Windows. Apr 09 02:15:52 Navi, Gizmo is also an IM client (but doesn't support the icq network, so not useful for me in that sense) Apr 09 02:16:22 The problem with the chat apps eveyone else i know only uses meebo,msn and yahoo Apr 09 02:16:32 Then use msn and yahoo Apr 09 02:16:35 Ah Apr 09 02:16:40 Cool.. If I manage to motivate friends to get a NIT, video chat will be cool Apr 09 02:16:50 meebo is a multiprotocol web client Apr 09 02:16:58 guess I don't need IM bad enough to change networks Apr 09 02:17:05 Yahoo and msn dont use video Apr 09 02:17:09 Collabora has telepathy haze/salut/etc plugins for rtcomm if you don't feel like installing the beta. Apr 09 02:17:12 icq might be worth it though Apr 09 02:17:14 SHADOW6, they can do video Apr 09 02:17:19 s/icq/irc/ Apr 09 02:17:20 unixSnob meant: irc might be worth it though Apr 09 02:17:32 Jabber > * Apr 09 02:17:32 unixSnob, xchat is the way to go. Apr 09 02:18:25 nice! I use x-chat aqua on the mac.. so i'm pleased to hear there is a NIT port for it Apr 09 02:18:31 Ew Apr 09 02:18:35 x-chat aqua is gross. :P Apr 09 02:19:06 well my taste in IRC clients isn't really seasoned.. I was out of IRC for 10 years.. until recently Apr 09 02:19:15 Colloquy is the best I've found on the Mac. Apr 09 02:19:26 Still not that great. Apr 09 02:19:28 hmm.. I rejected that one for some reason Apr 09 02:19:37 is colloquy commercial? Apr 09 02:19:42 No Apr 09 02:19:50 It's basically Adium IRC Apr 09 02:19:52 GPL Apr 09 02:20:00 trying to recall why i rejected it.. does it have tabbed interface? Apr 09 02:20:00 I just want a app install of meebo so i can chat on any im mobile Apr 09 02:20:07 Yes Apr 09 02:20:08 I insist on tabs for irc Apr 09 02:20:16 hmm.. not sure why I rejected it then Apr 09 02:20:18 SHADOW6, rtcomm Apr 09 02:20:34 ? Apr 09 02:20:44 Whats that Apr 09 02:20:58 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 09 02:21:05 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 09 02:21:06 erm Apr 09 02:21:07 yeah Apr 09 02:21:39 * unixSnob wonders if rtcomm supports otr (off the record) Apr 09 02:22:03 Doubt it Apr 09 02:22:06 Pidgin can broadcast video tho Apr 09 02:22:11 * Navi wonders why it matters Apr 09 02:22:18 rtcomm is libpurple Apr 09 02:22:29 It can support everything Pidgin suppports. Apr 09 02:22:40 "broadcast"? Apr 09 02:22:45 * unixSnob wonders why anyone would wonder how encryption is useful Apr 09 02:22:45 +More? Apr 09 02:22:46 rtcomm does video through GTalk Apr 09 02:23:18 What about yahoo Apr 09 02:23:30 * Navi wonders why anyone would care about what you're chatting about Apr 09 02:24:00 * unixSnob wonders why anyone would not care about privacy Apr 09 02:24:15 Kicks Navi Apr 09 02:24:29 * Navi wonders why anyone would care about invading your privacy in the first place Apr 09 02:24:37 It's not like you're important enough for someone to care. Apr 09 02:25:14 it's not only people that are targetted.. sometimes it's words Apr 09 02:25:27 ??? Im talking about viod chat to yahoo Apr 09 02:25:34 Video Apr 09 02:25:41 They're not talking to you. Apr 09 02:26:12 Pfft Apr 09 02:26:50 EB Apr 09 02:27:10 Privacy is a good policy, by default. I actually look for justification to transmit in the clear.. I never look for justification to encrypt Apr 09 02:27:20 E: Apr 09 02:30:12 There is no such thing as privacy satitlites can see u, web cams world wide can be veiwed and any thing programable can be hacked. I could be on your pc now Apr 09 02:30:59 cool, my BT Headset works with my N800 Apr 09 02:31:00 :P Apr 09 02:31:18 Somehow I doubt it, SHADOW6. Apr 09 02:31:21 Privacy is fought for Apr 09 02:31:32 In any case, anyone care for the RSS applet to display more headlines at a time? Apr 09 02:31:36 shadow6, seeing encrypted content isn't very useful Apr 09 02:31:51 If so, then I'll upload teh package >_> Apr 09 02:31:55 The idea isn't to stop them outright most of the time Apr 09 02:31:59 If not, I'm too lazy to Apr 09 02:32:03 Sounds alright Apr 09 02:32:04 but to make it more difficult than its worth. Apr 09 02:32:12 Echelon doesn't do its viewing from home computers Apr 09 02:32:15 Didn't think I could get it to work Apr 09 02:32:24 Im a amiture hacker = knows little Apr 09 02:32:45 Decrypt the content Apr 09 02:33:14 Decryption these days is incredibly time consuming. Apr 09 02:33:30 well, the idea is that you protect what you can, and increase the expense of the eavesdropping beyond the value of the data Apr 09 02:33:49 Economics plays into even security. :P Apr 09 02:33:59 right.. and often more time consuming than the life of that data requires Apr 09 02:35:00 I like to study this stuff and screwing with pcs isnt to hard its haveing the knolage to do so that is the problem Apr 09 02:35:24 SHADOW6, write a maemo app which will take pictures of everyone - please we need more code Apr 09 02:35:40 Go to bed. Apr 09 02:36:03 Everyone as in who Apr 09 02:36:25 Guess n800 users would be sufficiently protected from that lcuk (since the camera can be pushed into the chassis) :P Apr 09 02:36:46 "Open the camera to win uh million dollars!" Apr 09 02:36:48 n810 users would be screwed ;) Apr 09 02:36:50 Im on a n810 Apr 09 02:37:13 shadow - better cover it with electrical tape! Apr 09 02:37:18 get a sticker then Apr 09 02:37:19 Thumb cover cam Apr 09 02:37:31 ive got one already over my ambient sensor Apr 09 02:37:43 Lol Apr 09 02:38:03 Y Apr 09 02:38:48 The sensor save u energy not much Apr 09 02:39:25 i may be getting a security clearance soon.. so I actually will be targetted Apr 09 02:39:39 (for eavesdropping, that is) Apr 09 02:39:49 :P Apr 09 02:40:45 well, on second thought.. perhaps not. It's probably a low clearance, since it's from a foreign country. Apr 09 02:41:17 I doubt foreigners would be able to get a high clearance Apr 09 02:43:04 Hack a day.com gives u a intro quote intro to veiw web cams world wide and cotrol them http://www.hackaday.com/2005/01/14/geocamming-unsecurity-cameras-revisited/ Apr 09 02:44:00 Among many other things Apr 09 02:46:14 Ive viewed puppy mills,hospitals,streets,malls , yesterday i was viewing someones in home security camera Apr 09 02:46:44 Script kiddie Apr 09 02:46:45 nice. Apr 09 02:47:06 I'm trying to determine how much of that is really hacking.. aren't those published streams you're getting? Apr 09 02:48:06 Hacker thw word = one who has inside knolage of computers Apr 09 02:48:35 well, there are many meanings Apr 09 02:49:03 Actuly they are web cams that hvent been passworded on a network Apr 09 02:49:17 So, who wants to help me improve the maemo wiki pages? Apr 09 02:49:22 Not me Apr 09 02:49:24 said the dog Apr 09 02:49:27 usuk. Apr 09 02:50:17 This isnt considerd hacking but breaking into is aka passwords Apr 09 02:50:52 I can help Apr 09 02:51:19 BUT HOW <.< Apr 09 02:52:04 Hmm >.> Apr 09 02:52:12 the ones at wikipedia, or maemo.org? Apr 09 02:52:29 wikipedia Apr 09 02:52:45 I be wiki member Apr 09 02:52:55 Signup is free. Apr 09 02:53:14 0times6 my wiki user name Apr 09 02:54:57 What are u planning on doing? Apr 09 02:55:08 Hacking you. Apr 09 02:55:23 The page looks good.. accurate and concise Apr 09 02:55:48 Too short and not enough info. Apr 09 02:55:59 ^ Apr 09 02:56:02 It's a first draft. Apr 09 02:56:06 Needs way more content. Apr 09 02:56:09 Not even a complete draft. Apr 09 02:56:44 I need somebody to flesh out the SDK section (better overview, technical/package details, use) Apr 09 02:56:53 ITOS section needs a real introduction Apr 09 02:57:14 and some API/package and major feature changes for each release. Apr 09 02:57:47 Oy 1sec let met see the page **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 09 02:59:57 2008