**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 11 02:59:57 2008
Apr 11 03:00:02 <KotCzarny> unless it's something new
Apr 11 03:00:13 * KotCzarny checks sublinks
Apr 11 03:01:47 <KotCzarny> gst support is nice for mozilla though
Apr 11 03:02:06 <Redline`> yeah. looks nice.
Apr 11 03:02:07 <lopz> re
Apr 11 03:08:13 <Proteous> I WANT VIDEO PLAYBACK HARDWARE ACCELLL ON MY DEVICE
Apr 11 03:08:25 <Navi> ZOMG
Apr 11 03:08:25 <Redline`> oh my.
Apr 11 03:08:28 <Proteous> heh
Apr 11 03:08:30 <GeneralAntilles> Then get to work!
Apr 11 03:08:36 <Proteous> ...
Apr 11 03:08:37 <Navi> Proteous, doo eet
Apr 11 03:08:48 <Proteous> get to work adding a hardware chip to my 770?
Apr 11 03:09:05 <GeneralAntilles> Shouting a request for something is a good as volunteering in my book!
Apr 11 03:09:06 <dospod> wouldnt it be cool if we could you the sd slot for hardware acceleration
Apr 11 03:09:13 <GeneralAntilles> dospod, <_<
Apr 11 03:09:28 <Proteous> to bad the bottleneck is farther upstream
Apr 11 03:09:50 <esworp> screw video accel... i want a laser projected keyboard.  ;p
Apr 11 03:09:53 <dospod> It would be cool
Apr 11 03:10:04 <dospod> just add in the sd card in the internal memory slot in the n800
Apr 11 03:10:05 <GeneralAntilles> esworp, have you ever used one?
Apr 11 03:10:16 <dospod> and bam video hardware acceleration
Apr 11 03:10:19 <dospod> would be awesome
Apr 11 03:10:26 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't work quite like that. :P
Apr 11 03:10:28 <Proteous> laser projected keyboard, bah, I don't want to have to prop my IT device on a table to type on it
Apr 11 03:10:34 <esworp> nah, i imagiine it's frustratiingo
Apr 11 03:10:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's awful.
Apr 11 03:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> dospod, starting with the fact that we don't have SDIO
Apr 11 03:10:58 <Navi> It hurts
Apr 11 03:11:06 <Proteous> people bitch and complain about their laptop keyboard keys not having enough throw. imagine now tactile feedback at all
Apr 11 03:11:16 <shapr> I found a neat solution...
Apr 11 03:11:21 <Proteous> s/now/no
Apr 11 03:11:23 <GeneralAntilles> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/HP_PhotoSmart_SDIO_Kamera.jpg
Apr 11 03:11:25 <shapr> tape an N800 onto a kinesis keyboard
Apr 11 03:11:31 <GeneralAntilles> There's our solution to the webcam problem. :P
Apr 11 03:11:54 <dospod> General antilles is jealous he didnt think of my idea: )
Apr 11 03:11:58 <GeneralAntilles> shapr, here's my solution: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg
Apr 11 03:12:07 <dospod> but i think it would be cool if sd was used to expand mobile devices more
Apr 11 03:12:10 <dospod> insted of wifi
Apr 11 03:12:21 <shapr> GeneralAntilles: Yup, that's very close to my idea :-)
Apr 11 03:12:35 <shapr> GeneralAntilles: Does that really work?
Apr 11 03:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> Really well.
Apr 11 03:12:54 <shapr> I have a usb keyboard with built-in hub, I'd like to attach it to my n800.
Apr 11 03:12:59 <GeneralAntilles> Aside from the fact that you have to screw with dbus to get the vkb back.
Apr 11 03:13:08 <GeneralAntilles> s/dbus/gconf/
Apr 11 03:13:08 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Aside from the fact that you have to screw with gconf to get the vkb back.
Apr 11 03:13:14 <shapr> wah
Apr 11 03:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> shapr, you should order up one of jolouis's OTG adaptors.
Apr 11 03:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> Or make your own.
Apr 11 03:13:51 <Navi> you could grab an f-to-f
Apr 11 03:14:11 <shapr> oooh!
Apr 11 03:14:53 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781
Apr 11 03:14:56 <shapr> I have a spare kinesis keyboard.. I think I'll drill a big hole in the center and permanently stick a NIT in there.
Apr 11 03:15:11 <shapr> Out of Stock :-)
Apr 11 03:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> "2-4 days"
Apr 11 03:15:40 <Navi> Oh
Apr 11 03:15:48 <Navi> I got that from Mara for five bucks
Apr 11 03:15:51 <Navi> o_o
Apr 11 03:16:07 <Navi> It's kinda retarded
Apr 11 03:16:11 <GeneralAntilles> Retarded?
Apr 11 03:16:12 <shapr> I wonder if my kinesis requires power...
Apr 11 03:16:21 <Navi> 'cuz the female USB part isn't covered by plastic
Apr 11 03:16:38 <Navi> And is squished easily
Apr 11 03:16:38 <GeneralAntilles> It is on mine.
Apr 11 03:16:50 <lopz> mm. GeneralAntilles for SUB host in n800 ?
Apr 11 03:16:50 <GeneralAntilles> Both of mine.
Apr 11 03:16:53 <Navi> In that picture and on mine it isn't
Apr 11 03:16:55 <Navi> :P
Apr 11 03:16:56 <lopz> s/SUB/USB
Apr 11 03:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Apr 11 03:17:07 <GeneralAntilles> It's an OTG adaptor
Apr 11 03:17:16 <GeneralAntilles> so you don't have to worry about switching software-side.
Apr 11 03:17:18 <lopz> wow. 6 $
Apr 11 03:17:32 <Navi> Really?
Apr 11 03:17:37 <lopz> yrp
Apr 11 03:17:40 <lopz> yep*
Apr 11 03:17:42 <KotCzarny> + shipping
Apr 11 03:17:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 03:17:50 <Navi> I was asking about what GeneralAntilles said
Apr 11 03:18:00 <Navi> I grabbed one from Mara for five
Apr 11 03:18:10 <Navi> no shipping \o/
Apr 11 03:18:22 <Navi> Well, unless you count gas monies
Apr 11 03:18:28 <lopz> mm arg. I from Bolivia country ::(
Apr 11 03:19:40 <shapr> I'm in Boston!
Apr 11 03:19:52 <shapr> Any other internet tableteers in Boston?
Apr 11 03:20:53 <dospod> I want to go to boston
Apr 11 03:22:06 <shapr> Boston is a nice place.
Apr 11 03:22:13 <shapr> I miss living in Stockholm though.
Apr 11 03:22:46 <dospod> I lived in texas my whole life
Apr 11 03:23:06 <shapr> I've lived in three countries and .. at least twelve US states.
Apr 11 03:23:29 <KotCzarny> and in internet
Apr 11 03:23:37 <este_> is indt.org a school or a business ?
Apr 11 03:23:45 <dospod> wow shapr
Apr 11 03:23:46 <shapr> I think it's a brazilian research center funded by nokia.
Apr 11 03:24:07 <shapr> dospod: Downside of moving so much is that I don't own much stuff, and I don't have many friends nearby. I also don't have a girlfriend.
Apr 11 03:24:08 * Navi lives in Texas
Apr 11 03:24:12 <este_> research center.... so... they are paid to do work for nokia or they are maybe a dept inside a school ?
Apr 11 03:24:45 <shapr> este_:  http://www.indt.org.br/ - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia
Apr 11 03:25:24 <dospod> shapr girl friends are nice
Apr 11 03:25:32 <dospod> ecspecially girls from texas
Apr 11 03:25:34 <shapr> heh
Apr 11 03:25:39 <dospod> I havent seen to many good lookin girls up north
Apr 11 03:25:40 <shapr> I like girls from outside of the US.
Apr 11 03:25:41 <GeneralAntilles> este_, I don't think it has anything to do with education.
Apr 11 03:25:45 <dospod> but then again I dont stay long up north
Apr 11 03:25:48 <dospod> only a week at most
Apr 11 03:26:15 <este_> I know their site, it just doesn't explain to me who they are (really)
Apr 11 03:26:23 <shapr> Ask google
Apr 11 03:26:31 <este_> yea funny
Apr 11 03:26:34 <shapr> Seriously
Apr 11 03:26:49 <GeneralAntilles> este_, they do research work for Nokia.
Apr 11 03:26:58 <GeneralAntilles> They're also responsible for a whole shitton of software on the tablets.
Apr 11 03:27:02 <shapr> yup
Apr 11 03:27:03 <GeneralAntilles> Most notably Canola
Apr 11 03:27:04 <este_> Really ? You think irc is my first choice for info ?
Apr 11 03:27:16 <shapr> este_: Whatever dude, just trying to be helpful.
Apr 11 03:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> But also a ton of library and backend stuff.
Apr 11 03:27:19 <GeneralAntilles> Python, too.
Apr 11 03:27:19 <este_> I know they are, I'm curious as to WHY they are... I'm guessing now its money
Apr 11 03:27:27 <Navi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia
Apr 11 03:27:30 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia
Apr 11 03:27:32 <GeneralAntilles> Whore!
Apr 11 03:27:36 <Navi> I win!
Apr 11 03:27:42 <shapr> este_: Already seen that page?
Apr 11 03:28:13 <este_> yes actually
Apr 11 03:28:13 <shapr> este_: Sounds to me like you need to learn to use Google efficiently :-)
Apr 11 03:28:44 <este_> It seems to me that its a drug money laundering front that happens to be quite good a coding
Apr 11 03:28:48 <shapr> hah
Apr 11 03:29:25 <KotCzarny> este, /join #canola then
Apr 11 03:29:38 <este_> I talked to someone their about modifying CarMan but the conversation got dropped
Apr 11 03:30:26 <este_> I didn't know if they're services were supposed to be bought or not
Apr 11 03:31:09 <KotCzarny> 'their'
Apr 11 03:31:34 <Navi> Who knows if they are services.
Apr 11 03:31:55 <GeneralAntilles> My guess is that they are AI.
Apr 11 03:32:03 <este_> yea, firefox has spoiled me on spellchecking
Apr 11 03:32:10 <Navi> :D
Apr 11 03:32:19 <Navi> Well, you didn't spell anything wrong, really.
Apr 11 03:32:27 <este_> good point
Apr 11 03:32:37 <este_> Ok, last question, whats EFL ?  They apparently like it over pygame and sdl
Apr 11 03:32:49 <Navi> Most IRC clients have some sort of spell checking though
Apr 11 03:33:01 * KotCzarny never uses spellchecking
Apr 11 03:33:06 * KotCzarny uses brain
Apr 11 03:33:16 * doc|home uses spellchecking, never uses brain
Apr 11 03:33:26 <Navi> EFL is Enlightenment's graphical library
Apr 11 03:33:27 <KotCzarny> brain > spellchecking
Apr 11 03:33:32 <este_> nevermind I just figured out that efl is enlightenment
Apr 11 03:33:42 <doc|home> brain.effort >> spellchecking.effort
Apr 11 03:33:47 <Navi> Well, graphical library colection
Apr 11 03:33:50 <KotCzarny> no pain, no gain
Apr 11 03:33:53 <este_> you guys have an opinion on efl/enli
Apr 11 03:33:55 <este_> ?
Apr 11 03:34:02 <Navi> I use E17 on the desktop
Apr 11 03:34:06 <doc|home> KotCzarny: there's gain in using your brain? umpossible!
Apr 11 03:34:10 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 11 03:34:13 <doc|home> :D
Apr 11 03:34:15 <KotCzarny> apparently
Apr 11 03:34:22 * doc|home is of course joking
Apr 11 03:34:36 <KotCzarny> i only know that not using a brain is deadly
Apr 11 03:34:44 <este_> I can't seem to find too much on e17
Apr 11 03:34:53 <doc|home> in fact, while I knew that umpossible was spelt incorrectly, I didn't even notice whether or not xchat flagged it
Apr 11 03:35:39 <Navi> este_, that's because it's in a sort of infinite alpha state.
Apr 11 03:35:39 <KotCzarny> capture the flag!
Apr 11 03:35:39 <este_> So.... elightenment is all python graphical lib ?
Apr 11 03:35:47 <Navi> EFL has python bindings.
Apr 11 03:35:48 * KotCzarny gibs doc
Apr 11 03:35:50 <este_> ah, thats why then
Apr 11 03:36:00 <este_> oh, so python + whatever
Apr 11 03:36:04 * KotCzarny runs away
Apr 11 03:37:23 <este_> are pygame and sdl 'that' bad that its better to design something new ?
Apr 11 03:37:36 <KotCzarny> e17 isn't new
Apr 11 03:37:50 <Navi> Of course not
Apr 11 03:37:51 <este_> ... meh i'm all sorts of confused
Apr 11 03:37:55 <dick-richardson> or that good
Apr 11 03:38:12 <KotCzarny> apparently
Apr 11 03:38:19 <este_> ah
Apr 11 03:38:41 <Navi> pygame has it's uses
Apr 11 03:39:01 <Navi> mostly for using python + sdl
Apr 11 03:39:04 <Navi> >_>
Apr 11 03:39:14 <este_> I ask because I'm interested in carman which uses GTK for plain/text views and pygame/sdl for a nicer display
Apr 11 03:39:32 <Navi> EFL allows for nice animations and transitions on low spec hardware without needing any acceleration
Apr 11 03:39:49 <este_> doesn't OMAP have acceleration ?
Apr 11 03:39:59 <KotCzarny> no drivers
Apr 11 03:40:09 <este_> How about that,
Apr 11 03:41:10 <este_> well... thats a good start for me I think
Apr 11 04:33:27 <mikedep333> hey, it looks like I can only read some of my SMB shares from my windows xp box
Apr 11 04:33:47 <mikedep333> they all have like the same permissions (everyone can read, everyone includes guest)
Apr 11 04:34:53 * Proteous looks around for the "WE FIX WINDOWS PROBLEMS!!!!!!111!!" sign
Apr 11 04:35:36 * KotCzarny whistles innocently not telling anything about the card on protesous' back
Apr 11 04:36:30 <Proteous> heh
Apr 11 04:41:14 <este_> funny
Apr 11 05:07:28 <johnx> mikedep333, are the shares password protected?
Apr 11 05:14:40 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Apr 11 05:25:10 <gkanai> Can someone help me with an upgrade to os2008 on Linux?
Apr 11 05:25:33 <johnx> what's the problem?
Apr 11 05:26:20 <gkanai> so I've downloaded the flasher and the bin.  I've chmod-ed and unpacked the bin.  Then the OS crashed on me.  So I'm not sure if the unpacking was complete or not.
Apr 11 05:26:36 <gkanai> I've tried the next few steps and they dont seem to work.
Apr 11 05:27:07 <johnx> maybe I'm confused...All you have to do is download the .bin and use the flasher to flash it?
Apr 11 05:27:15 <johnx> What guide are you following?
Apr 11 05:27:39 <johnx> (that first comment shouldn't have ended in a "?")
Apr 11 05:28:07 <gkanai> http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html
Apr 11 05:28:18 <johnx> that's for the beta
Apr 11 05:28:23 <gkanai> aha
Apr 11 05:28:29 <johnx> no need to do things the hard way anymore
Apr 11 05:28:35 <gkanai> is there a better guide?
Apr 11 05:28:37 <johnx> there's a genuine Nokia approved N800 release
Apr 11 05:29:02 <gkanai> ok, so just run the flasher?
Apr 11 05:29:15 <johnx> yeah, let me find the guide
Apr 11 05:29:23 <johnx> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
Apr 11 05:29:28 <johnx> one command, super easy :)
Apr 11 05:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, good, they did update the article with a note.
Apr 11 05:29:58 <GeneralAntilles> I emailed them about it about a month ago.
Apr 11 05:30:23 <gkanai> johnx: thx
Apr 11 05:30:29 <gkanai> i'll give it a go.
Apr 11 05:30:35 <GeneralAntilles> gkanai, you didn't notice the note, or the strikethrough? <_<
Apr 11 05:30:57 <gkanai> I didnt come across this page :(
Apr 11 05:31:23 <KotCzarny> remember the site: maemo.org
Apr 11 05:31:29 <gkanai> thx
Apr 11 05:31:50 <KotCzarny> it has apps, howtos, links
Apr 11 05:34:15 <gkanai> gotta wait until the battery charges...
Apr 11 05:34:29 <gkanai> how long does it take?
Apr 11 05:34:41 <KotCzarny> around 3h for me
Apr 11 05:34:59 <gkanai> seriously?
Apr 11 05:35:11 <KotCzarny> 'for me'
Apr 11 05:36:29 <johnx> well how much charge does it have?
Apr 11 05:37:41 <gkanai> not sure- it just says "charging"
Apr 11 05:37:59 <gkanai> oh, ok, er, 10 days idle, in use 5 hrs
Apr 11 05:38:12 <johnx> yeah, it's mostly charged :)
Apr 11 05:38:19 <gkanai> ok, then I'll start
Apr 11 05:42:02 <gkanai> er, so Terminal still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" even though the device is plugged in... when do I start seeing the "messages as the image loads to the N800 after which it reboots automatically"?
Apr 11 05:42:57 <johnx> unplug tablet from power and usb, turn off tablet, start flasher, plug tablet in via usb, turn on tablet while holding home
Apr 11 05:43:07 <gkanai> held down the home button and it's at the update screen with the Nokia logo and the USB mark in the upper right corner
Apr 11 05:44:15 <johnx> did you run flasher as root?
Apr 11 05:44:22 <johnx> you'll need to on some linux distros
Apr 11 05:44:24 <gkanai> er, sudo?
Apr 11 05:44:31 <gkanai> I'm on ubuntu
Apr 11 05:44:35 <gkanai> 7.10
Apr 11 05:44:36 <johnx> sudo is fine
Apr 11 05:44:49 <gkanai> ok I'll retry, I didnt previously
Apr 11 05:44:56 <tank-man> you dont need root, jsut a user that can access usb
Apr 11 05:45:10 <johnx> tank-man, and for many, that user is root...
Apr 11 05:45:55 <gkanai> sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Apr 11 05:46:00 <gkanai> is that right?
Apr 11 05:46:05 <johnx> sounds good
Apr 11 05:47:29 <gkanai> so should i start seeing messages immediately?
Apr 11 05:47:51 <gkanai> it still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
Apr 11 05:48:00 <johnx> you should start seeing various messages as soon as you plug in the usb cable
Apr 11 05:48:10 <gkanai> hmm. that's not happening
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Apr 11 05:48:41 <tank-man> you should see msgs after you turn on the n8x0 while holding the home key
Apr 11 05:49:01 <tank-man> flashing total time is like about 1 min
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Apr 11 05:49:28 <johnx> sorry, tank-man is right, you should see it when you turn the N800 on, not when you plug in USB
Apr 11 05:49:42 <gkanai> yeah, neither is happening.
Apr 11 05:49:58 <gkanai> what am I doing wrong?
Apr 11 05:50:01 <johnx> is it connected through a hub? Apparently that can be a problem sometimes
Apr 11 05:50:07 <gkanai> nope, directly
Apr 11 05:50:20 <tank-man> is your device possibly in host (otg?)  mode
Apr 11 05:50:28 <gkanai> how can I tell?
Apr 11 05:50:55 <johnx> gkanai, if you don't specifically remember changing it to host mode, it's not in host mode
Apr 11 05:51:23 <gkanai> this was given to me yesterday, so I dont know what was done to it previously, but I doubt it?
Apr 11 05:51:32 <gkanai> it's got the very first os on it, fwiw.
Apr 11 05:51:38 <tank-man> i think this is how to tell, cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
Apr 11 05:51:41 <johnx> if it's running OS2007 then it's not in host mode
Apr 11 05:51:46 <gkanai> 2006-something.
Apr 11 05:51:51 <gkanai> yeah, its running 0s2007
Apr 11 05:52:24 <gkanai> cat: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: No such file or directory
Apr 11 05:52:48 <johnx> gkanai, it's unplugged from power while you're trying to flash it, correct?
Apr 11 05:52:54 <gkanai> yes
Apr 11 05:53:41 <johnx> instead of holding home you could do this instead: unplug from power+usb, start flasher, plug in usb, plug in power
Apr 11 05:53:58 <gkanai> ok, let me try that
Apr 11 05:54:17 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure how that'll change things, johnx. :P
Apr 11 05:54:30 <GeneralAntilles> If you start up with the Home key it'll at least wait for you so you can screw around software-side if need be.
Apr 11 05:55:02 <johnx> any ideas, then, GeneralAntilles?
Apr 11 05:55:19 <GeneralAntilles> Get it waiting and play with the flasher.
Apr 11 05:55:29 <gkanai> nope, "Suitable USB device not found..."
Apr 11 05:55:30 <johnx> All I can think of is to tell him keep trying, it will probably, eventually work...
Apr 11 05:55:54 <GeneralAntilles> gkanai, make sure it's unplugged and off, plug in the USB, hold down the Home key and power it on.
Apr 11 05:56:07 <GeneralAntilles> It'll have the USB symbol up in the upper right
Apr 11 05:56:10 <GeneralAntilles> then run the flasher.
Apr 11 05:56:27 <johnx> sometimes these things are incredibly finicky to get flashed...
Apr 11 05:56:36 <gkanai> ok, flasher after then.
Apr 11 05:58:24 <gkanai> same error :(
Apr 11 05:58:43 <gkanai> gen@ubuntu:~$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Apr 11 05:58:44 <gkanai> flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
Apr 11 05:58:46 <gkanai> SW version in image: RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0
Apr 11 05:58:47 <gkanai> Image 'kernel', size 1529984 bytes
Apr 11 05:58:48 <gkanai>         Version 2.6.21.0-200749osso2
Apr 11 05:58:50 <gkanai> Image 'initfs', size 1954560 bytes
Apr 11 05:58:52 <gkanai>         Version 0.95-70
Apr 11 05:58:54 <gkanai> Image 'rootfs', size 137625600 bytes
Apr 11 05:58:55 <gkanai>         Version RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0
Apr 11 05:58:57 <gkanai> Image '2nd', size 8192 bytes
Apr 11 05:58:58 <gkanai>         Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602
Apr 11 05:59:00 <gkanai>         Version 1.1.11-1
Apr 11 05:59:01 <gkanai> Image 'xloader', size 9088 bytes
Apr 11 05:59:03 <gkanai>         Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602
Apr 11 05:59:04 <gkanai>         Version 1.1.11-1
Apr 11 05:59:06 <gkanai> Image 'secondary', size 98432 bytes
Apr 11 05:59:07 <gkanai>         Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602
Apr 11 05:59:09 <gkanai>         Version 1.1.11-1
Apr 11 05:59:10 <gkanai> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Apr 11 06:00:07 <GeneralAntilles> Does it mount the cards when it's plugged in with USB when it's booted?
Apr 11 06:00:37 <gkanai> hmm... the SD memory cards you mean?
Apr 11 06:00:42 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Apr 11 06:01:20 <gkanai> testing...
Apr 11 06:03:02 <gkanai> erm, no, I dont think so?
Apr 11 06:03:17 <GeneralAntilles> Well, something's wrong then.
Apr 11 06:03:46 <GeneralAntilles> Try a different USB cable?
Apr 11 06:03:47 <gkanai> there's 2 SD slots, the one inside the battery cover and the one in the bottom of the device
Apr 11 06:03:49 <GeneralAntilles> Or a different machine?
Apr 11 06:03:58 <johnx> when you plug it into your desktop via usb, the desktop should see both the internal and external card readers
Apr 11 06:03:59 <GeneralAntilles> Erm
Apr 11 06:04:02 <GeneralAntilles> Mount them on the computer.
Apr 11 06:04:16 <gkanai> ok, will try
Apr 11 06:04:52 <gkanai> do the two SD slots have different usages?
Apr 11 06:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> Not particularly
Apr 11 06:05:04 <johnx> kinda, sorta, not really
Apr 11 06:05:05 <GeneralAntilles> The internal can be used for swap.
Apr 11 06:05:16 <GeneralAntilles> Hardware wise they're not any different.
Apr 11 06:05:16 <johnx> the GUI app will only let you creat a swap file on the internal
Apr 11 06:05:25 <gkanai> ok
Apr 11 06:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> "Map" defaults to internal for storage.
Apr 11 06:05:32 <johnx> and some apps are hard-wired to store things on the internal or external card
Apr 11 06:06:31 <gkanai> hmm yeah I've tried both slots...
Apr 11 06:06:34 <gkanai> and nothing
Apr 11 06:07:08 <johnx> the computer doesn't react at all when you plug it in to usb?
Apr 11 06:07:20 <johnx> want to post your dmesg to pastebin?
Apr 11 06:08:04 <gkanai> hmm, yeah I'm trying this card on my expresscard32 reader on my MBP and it OS X doesnt see it
Apr 11 06:08:08 <gkanai> maybe my card is bad
Apr 11 06:08:51 <GeneralAntilles> Try flashing using the OS X machine?
Apr 11 06:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> Just grab flasher-2.0.macosx
Apr 11 06:09:32 <GeneralAntilles> Everything else is the same.
Apr 11 06:09:44 <gkanai> oh really?
Apr 11 06:09:58 <GeneralAntilles> Would Ubuntu happen to be in VMWare?
Apr 11 06:10:12 <gkanai> yes, Parallels
Apr 11 06:10:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 11 06:10:19 <GeneralAntilles> That would explain it.
Apr 11 06:10:19 <johnx> ahahahaha
Apr 11 06:10:32 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29
Apr 11 06:10:41 <johnx> alright, that's the kind of thing we'd like to hear about first :)
Apr 11 06:11:02 <gkanai> doh, i'm terribly sorry!
Apr 11 06:11:03 * GeneralAntilles slaps gkanai around with a rainbow trout. :P
Apr 11 06:11:08 <johnx> good guess, GeneralAntilles :)
Apr 11 06:11:10 <gkanai> ouch!
Apr 11 06:11:20 <gkanai> I prefer salmon
Apr 11 06:11:30 <gkanai> ok so where can I get the Mac launcher?
Apr 11 06:11:40 <johnx> same directory as the linux flasher
Apr 11 06:11:43 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Apr 11 06:14:38 <tank-man> is parallels so awesome that you did not think it to be the problem right away?
Apr 11 06:14:45 <gkanai> is there a Flasher for Intel-Mac?
Apr 11 06:14:56 <GeneralAntilles> Just use the ppc one
Apr 11 06:15:00 <GeneralAntilles> it works fine under Rosetta.
Apr 11 06:15:02 <gkanai> oh OK
Apr 11 06:15:09 <GeneralAntilles> tank-man, it actually shouldn't be a problem.
Apr 11 06:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> You'd just have to enable that USB device for the vm.
Apr 11 06:15:41 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't used Parallels (or even VMWare) particularly extensively, though, so I don't recall exactly how.
Apr 11 06:15:42 * GeneralAntilles is PPC.
Apr 11 06:16:50 <gkanai> ok, er, its only 192k?
Apr 11 06:17:04 <zerodegre> hey guys , is there a NES emu that works well for the N810?????
Apr 11 06:17:35 <johnx> zerodegre, yeah, the one on ITT works pretty well. I forgot it's name
Apr 11 06:17:43 <zerodegre> ITT?
Apr 11 06:17:47 <gkanai> so how do I run this flasher under OSX?
Apr 11 06:17:53 <johnx> internettablettalk.com/forums
Apr 11 06:17:54 <KotCzarny> zerodegre: check pupnik.de
Apr 11 06:18:02 <johnx> gkanai, exactly the same way as the Linux flasher
Apr 11 06:18:19 <gkanai> ok
Apr 11 06:18:39 <GeneralAntilles> gkanai, you'll want to pull the .bin off of the vm image.
Apr 11 06:21:52 <gkanai> willdo, I'm going to switch over to OS X, brb
Apr 11 06:25:14 <gkanai> ok, I'm back
Apr 11 06:33:44 <johnx> did it work gkanai ?
Apr 11 06:34:55 <gkanai> I'm re-downloading the binaries from Nokia
Apr 11 06:35:04 <johnx> ah, you don't need to
Apr 11 06:36:07 <gkanai> how do I access the .bin on the Ubuntu partition?
Apr 11 06:36:26 <gkanai> I'm also not seeing the USB cards in OS X...
Apr 11 06:36:45 <GeneralAntilles> You should be able to just drag and drop it from Ubuntu.
Apr 11 06:37:13 <gkanai> hmm tried that, didnt work
Apr 11 06:39:16 <rm_you> hey johnx :P
Apr 11 06:39:21 <johnx> yo
Apr 11 06:39:24 * rm_you says hey randomly a lot :P
Apr 11 06:39:49 <rm_you> thinking about opening up my n800 in the next couple of days to try to figure out what's loose
Apr 11 06:39:51 <rm_you> and fix it
Apr 11 06:40:04 <johnx> it's under warranty, right?
Apr 11 06:40:07 <johnx> send it the heck back
Apr 11 06:40:08 <rm_you> so i can use the damn thing again
Apr 11 06:40:08 <johnx> seriously
Apr 11 06:40:10 <gkanai> ok i now see both cards :)
Apr 11 06:40:10 <rm_you> dunno >_>
Apr 11 06:40:16 <rm_you> bought it late last july
Apr 11 06:40:24 <rm_you> but used from ITT forums <_<
Apr 11 06:40:28 <rm_you> so i dont have a receipt
Apr 11 06:40:35 <johnx> you don't need one...
Apr 11 06:40:57 <rm_you> well, the site says "probably out of warranty" and that i'd need one <_<
Apr 11 06:41:03 <johnx> ah
Apr 11 06:41:08 <johnx> lame :/
Apr 11 06:41:16 <rm_you> though i might be able to get em to do it over the phone
Apr 11 06:41:21 <rm_you> if i just said i lost it
Apr 11 06:41:23 <GeneralAntilles> I would try before you open it. :P
Apr 11 06:41:34 <rm_you> do they actually expect everyone to hang onto receipts for a year? >_>
Apr 11 06:42:04 <gkanai> so do I re-name this file .app for OS X?
Apr 11 06:42:32 <johnx> gkanai, you run the flasher from the command line...just like in Linux
Apr 11 06:42:37 <gkanai> ok
Apr 11 06:42:59 * rm_you sleeps
Apr 11 06:43:22 * johnx is tired too...
Apr 11 06:43:26 <johnx> 'night rm_you
Apr 11 06:47:51 <gkanai> crap, I gotta run to a mtg, bb in 30 mins and will re-try then
Apr 11 06:53:00 <gkanai> ok i have a few more minutes and its working!!!
Apr 11 06:53:07 <johnx> w00!
Apr 11 06:53:13 <gkanai> WOOOT IS CORRRECT!
Apr 11 06:53:26 <gkanai> ok that's it?
Apr 11 06:53:31 <johnx> nothing like using an OS that has access to the physical USB ports
Apr 11 06:53:33 <johnx> yup
Apr 11 06:53:35 <johnx> it's fast
Apr 11 06:53:50 <johnx> and I think sometimes it prints a weird error at the end, so don't worry about that
Apr 11 06:54:24 <gkanai> ok, now I really gotta run to my mtg
Apr 11 06:54:36 <gkanai> THANK YOU #maemo!!!
Apr 11 06:54:49 <johnx> sure. have fun. :)
Apr 11 06:54:52 <gkanai> esp. johnx and Gen.Ant
Apr 11 06:55:20 <KotCzarny> my name is #maemo, resistance is futile, you will be tabl0ized
Apr 11 07:42:16 <opendeep> Hello X_Fade_
Apr 11 07:50:02 <msh_> 
VERSION

Apr 11 07:51:26 <msh_> anyone run an irc client on their tablet?
Apr 11 07:52:07 <qwerty12> Yeh, there's the ircomm upgrade, x-chat and pidgin. There's also irssi but I found it unstable.
Apr 11 07:52:08 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Apr 11 07:52:56 <msh_> ah, cool
Apr 11 07:53:20 <msh_> xterm irssi is kind of awkward
Apr 11 07:55:08 <Proteous> ...
Apr 11 07:55:37 <Proteous> if by awkward you mean amazingly great then I agree
Apr 11 07:56:19 <Proteous> awkward like tony hawk on a skateboard will work too
Apr 11 07:56:29 <Proteous> awkward like a spider in it's web
Apr 11 07:56:32 <Proteous> its
Apr 11 07:56:33 <Proteous> bah
Apr 11 07:56:50 <GeneralAntilles> its . . . not worth it. :P
Apr 11 07:56:56 <Proteous> yeah :/
Apr 11 07:57:32 <dpb_> I use the terminal to ssh to my server with screen/irssi
Apr 11 07:57:54 <dpb_> It's quite usable
Apr 11 07:58:50 <Proteous> the only thing that makes irssi awkward on my 770 is the lack of a slide out keyboard :p
Apr 11 08:01:07 <asha> if only there was a hardware escape or meta key
Apr 11 08:01:36 <GeneralAntilles> Escape = back
Apr 11 08:05:39 <gkanai|away> ok, I'm back :)
Apr 11 08:05:42 <keesj> asha: the escape it the button (under the hacker xterm anyway)
Apr 11 08:05:59 <gkanai> what should I install if I just installed os2008?
Apr 11 08:06:13 <keesj> gkanai: on what hardware
Apr 11 08:06:22 <asha> keesj, i did but it's too far to move a thumb
Apr 11 08:06:49 <gkanai> n800
Apr 11 08:07:56 <msh_> just things like switching channels etc, it'd be easier to just tap a channel tab
Apr 11 08:08:24 <msh_> and have privmsgs trigger the notify thing
Apr 11 08:08:48 <msh_> and urls be clickable (that's just a xterm issue i know)
Apr 11 08:12:05 <keesj> msh_: yes the hacker xterm has buttons on the right form "control-p" control-n and also screen controls control-a-n and such
Apr 11 08:12:25 <keesj> I have not used it for a while
Apr 11 08:12:45 <GeneralAntilles> gkanai, Canola, FBReader, Maemo Mapper, Doom, Quake I/II, Xchat, mplayer, x11vnc, OpenSSH, ScummVM, Vagalume, Numpty Physics, and mypaint.
Apr 11 08:12:51 <msh_> aha, that'd work well
Apr 11 08:13:33 <keesj> http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm
Apr 11 08:13:57 <gkanai> GeneralAntilles: cool, thank you for a great list
Apr 11 08:14:32 <gkanai> can I download apps via the browser or do I need to load them via USB?
Apr 11 08:14:46 <inz> keesj, didn't someone compile that version for os2008?
Apr 11 08:15:15 <keesj> inz: I don't know , I have not used it for a while I must confes
Apr 11 08:15:16 <qwerty12> I also <3 Transmission & gtk-gnutella
Apr 11 08:15:41 <keesj> 2008 has this default xterm , so it is harder to compete against
Apr 11 08:15:46 <GeneralAntilles> gkanai, gronmayer.com/it
Apr 11 08:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> Add the relevant repositories.
Apr 11 08:15:57 <keesj> the hackers xterm should really become part of maemo
Apr 11 08:16:00 <GeneralAntilles> Most of them are available if you just enabled Extras.
Apr 11 08:16:05 <GeneralAntilles> You want Application manager.
Apr 11 08:16:11 <inz> keesj, the version on os2008 is based on my version
Apr 11 08:16:17 <inz> keesj, they just totally raped it ;)
Apr 11 08:16:18 <GeneralAntilles> http://sse2.net/xterm/
Apr 11 08:16:21 <keesj> hah
Apr 11 08:16:28 <GeneralAntilles> It's that damn UI spec.
Apr 11 08:16:41 <keesj> inz: will you be at linuxtag?
Apr 11 08:16:58 <inz> keesj, nope
Apr 11 08:17:26 <gkanai> GeneralAntilles: wow
Apr 11 08:17:44 <inz> keesj, unless you can make up some good reason why my employer would send me there ;)
Apr 11 08:18:34 <inz> General, yeah, UI specs are sometimes a bitch, but I think the first version was coded in too much hurry and is awfully ugly
Apr 11 08:18:54 <keesj> first version of the specs?
Apr 11 08:19:07 <GeneralAntilles> "sometimes" . . . mostly with maemo it seems to be "always". :P
Apr 11 08:19:26 <inz> keesj, no first version of osso-xterm released by nokia
Apr 11 08:19:40 <inz> keesj, or I'm not actually sure if they've released any newer ones
Apr 11 08:21:01 <inz> keesj, I tried to fix it (and fix the uglyness from the source), but I've no idea if they used that code at all
Apr 11 08:28:04 <gkanai> does it matter which media you put on which SD card?
Apr 11 08:28:15 <GeneralAntilles> How do you mean?
Apr 11 08:28:19 <GeneralAntilles> Canola indexing?
Apr 11 08:28:21 <jani> GeneralAntilles: totally agree =)
Apr 11 08:28:52 <gkanai> say I'm moving some mp3s over- do they go on the internal card or the other one?
Apr 11 08:29:23 <GeneralAntilles> Whichever you want
Apr 11 08:29:29 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't particularly matter.
Apr 11 08:29:38 <gkanai> ok
Apr 11 08:29:39 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I use my internal card for swap and additional boot partitions
Apr 11 08:29:44 <GeneralAntilles> the external is the media dump
Apr 11 08:31:02 <gkanai> I've moved a file over to the external card but I dont see it in File manager
Apr 11 08:32:01 <gkanai> are these WWF photos default?
Apr 11 08:36:10 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Apr 11 08:40:52 <gkanai> do i need to format the SD cards?
Apr 11 08:40:59 <GeneralAntilles> Shouldn't
Apr 11 08:42:10 <gkanai> ah, you have to disconnect the usb...
Apr 11 08:42:16 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Apr 11 08:42:30 <GeneralAntilles> Can't mount them in more than one place. ;)
Apr 11 08:42:50 <gkanai> right- makes sense but isn't intuitive
Apr 11 08:45:27 <GeneralAntilles> Meh
Apr 11 08:54:37 <hrw> morning
Apr 11 08:55:19 <AStorm> hello
Apr 11 08:55:42 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800.png
Apr 11 08:56:18 <AStorm> I've a question - where can I get the devel version of maemo for armel? (the one with full real coreutils etc.)
Apr 11 08:56:43 <AStorm> I've my n810 prepared for multiboot now
Apr 11 08:58:18 <hrw> what keeps you from installing normal coreutils?
Apr 11 08:59:25 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png tells more
Apr 11 09:00:18 <AStorm> hrw, obviously, conflict with busybox
Apr 11 09:00:46 <hrw> AStorm: force installation
Apr 11 09:00:56 <AStorm> and it'll work?
Apr 11 09:00:59 <hrw> AStorm: I reported bug on wrong busybox package
Apr 11 09:01:00 <hrw> should
Apr 11 09:01:08 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 11 09:01:13 <AStorm> the hack away
Apr 11 09:01:38 <hrw> not a hack
Apr 11 09:01:52 <AStorm> btw, what are the flash speeds? (small, internal, external SDHC)
Apr 11 09:01:52 <hrw> the only solution to broken maemo packaging
Apr 11 09:01:56 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 11 09:02:42 <AStorm> I'll better create a backup tarball first
Apr 11 09:03:03 <hrw> X-Fade: hi
Apr 11 09:03:44 <AStorm> ouch
Apr 11 09:03:54 <AStorm> it tries to remove:
Apr 11 09:04:10 <AStorm>   busybox dpkg sysvinit
Apr 11 09:04:20 <AStorm> sounds evil
Apr 11 09:05:20 <AStorm> it wants to remove too much
Apr 11 09:06:08 <AStorm> "no longer relevant" e.g. osso-connectivity-ui
Apr 11 09:06:12 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 09:06:54 <AStorm> dnsmasq, hal,etc :P
Apr 11 09:10:20 <AStorm> so, what to do about it? (I'm talking live maemo)
Apr 11 09:14:52 <AStorm> wth does it try to drop 1/3 of the  system?
Apr 11 09:34:44 <gkanai> if the browser stops loading pages for some reason (and I know the wifi AP is ok) what can I do to troubleshoot microB?
Apr 11 09:35:34 <GeneralAntilles> Restart the browser, reconnect to the ap, restart the device.
Apr 11 09:35:35 <keesj> gkanai: what I done in the past in install webscarab on a pc and configure that as proxy server in connection settings
Apr 11 09:36:03 <hrw> speaking of microb... does someone work on getting it updated to more recent Gecko?
Apr 11 09:36:12 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be in Diablo, hrw.
Apr 11 09:36:19 <keesj> unique was not 100% happy about that aproach (I commented it in the bugtracker)
Apr 11 09:38:06 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody could compile the latest svn if they wanted to test the updated engine.
Apr 11 09:38:09 <gkanai> keesj: this is so you can watch the http traffic?
Apr 11 09:39:23 <hrw> GeneralAntilles: Diablo?
Apr 11 09:40:03 <hrw> ah..
Apr 11 09:40:06 <hrw> chinook+1
Apr 11 09:40:42 <qwerty12> Is there any easy way of converting a diff file for an older version? I've been doing it by hand (finding lines etc), it works fine for a short youtube patch but not so great on a 500 KB IPv6 Kernel patch.
Apr 11 09:42:55 <gkanai> hm, so I restarted the device and now it browses.
Apr 11 09:44:58 <GeneralAntilles> Either of the first two options work?
Apr 11 09:46:53 <hrw> GeneralAntilles: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png may interest you maybe
Apr 11 09:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> What's the method?
Apr 11 09:47:18 <hrw> qemu n800 emulation
Apr 11 09:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> Be mildly interesting to package as a software demo.
Apr 11 09:47:49 <hrw> GeneralAntilles: it is on a way to qemu mainline now
Apr 11 09:47:56 <GeneralAntilles> Cool
Apr 11 09:48:16 <hrw> development paid by Nokia, done by OpenedHand
Apr 11 09:51:21 <joyiou1> Hi, can I develop my own media player on N810 ?
Apr 11 09:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> Sure! Why not?
Apr 11 09:51:42 <joyiou1> Using gstreamer and the alsa device on N810 ?
Apr 11 09:51:44 <AStorm> if only qemu would build with gcc 4.x
Apr 11 09:51:49 <qwerty12> Shitfuck. I have 10,000 lines to convert of a patch and no promises it's gonna work.
Apr 11 09:52:43 <joyiou1> Is there any difference between the N810 alsa device and the normal one ?
Apr 11 09:52:55 <hrw> AStorm: I have gcc 3.4 and 4.2 in system
Apr 11 09:53:05 <hrw> AStorm: 4.2 as default
Apr 11 09:53:06 <AStorm> I had too
Apr 11 09:53:28 <AStorm> guess I'll have to build the scratchbox
Apr 11 09:53:50 <AStorm> but... I want a devel system on N810 too
Apr 11 09:55:44 <joyiou1> Now i'm building my own gstreamer, and it got some problem in the clock
Apr 11 10:10:18 <florian> good morning
Apr 11 10:10:22 <pupnik> If anyone has actually developed something on the device, i haven't heard of it.
Apr 11 10:10:24 <pupnik> hi florian
Apr 11 10:10:27 <qwerty12> morning
Apr 11 10:10:44 <florian> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/321850501ace52b4b59ab38f71ff5487.png
Apr 11 10:11:12 <florian> Maemo Sync like it currently looks...
Apr 11 10:11:28 <pupnik> it is for syncing what?
Apr 11 10:11:52 <florian> pupnik: Whatever OpenSync supports - usually PIM data.
Apr 11 10:12:14 <pupnik> cool
Apr 11 10:12:51 <florian> Currently its use is limited, OpenSync 0.3x is not that stable yet and the lacking documentation of the new syncml plugin is a real showstopper.
Apr 11 10:13:35 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan would be the one doing real development on-device, pupnik.
Apr 11 10:13:53 <pupnik> neat
Apr 11 10:14:16 <florian> But they mention to have it working with "big iron" such as Scheduleworld... this will be pretty nice.
Apr 11 10:15:30 <pupnik> yes an important addition
Apr 11 10:15:49 <pupnik> perhaps the most important?
Apr 11 10:16:26 <pupnik> (pim stuff)
Apr 11 10:20:25 <florian> there is still a lot of work to do, but free time is limited - like always :-/
Apr 11 10:22:09 <AStorm> they should mod. both dates to support recurrence (release it, dammit)
Apr 11 10:22:24 <AStorm> and tasks to support the states from gpe-todo
Apr 11 10:22:36 <AStorm> and bind to alarmd
Apr 11 10:23:30 <AStorm> when abiword is ready... it will be *the* office machine
Apr 11 10:32:19 <AStorm> btw, could someone provide a working vmware image of devel env?
Apr 11 10:33:20 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ No?
Apr 11 10:33:39 <qwerty12> Hmm, I don't think many people are willing to upload a 2GB+ file
Apr 11 10:33:47 <AStorm> tried it, couldn't build anything
Apr 11 10:34:02 <AStorm> tried to install stuff, apt failed
Apr 11 10:34:57 <GeneralAntilles> Seems to work fine for most people.
Apr 11 10:35:38 <lcuk> astorm, i use the vmware image every day and it does have everything needed.  however eclipse seemed quirky so i just use the console and target directly for armel instead of the xephyr emulator
Apr 11 10:35:55 <lcuk> what did you need to install?
Apr 11 10:36:20 <AStorm> tried that maemo-toolbox or something
Apr 11 10:36:43 <AStorm> maybe it's another image... iNdT branded one, right?
Apr 11 10:37:15 <lcuk> yer
Apr 11 10:37:33 <lcuk> i just installed the chinook doofer by clicking on the desktop then run with the console on the desktop also
Apr 11 10:37:36 <qwerty12> Anybody knows a place where to upload files where the people wont give a shit about licenses? Not warez but I'm not sure if I am allowed to distrobute something :/
Apr 11 10:37:40 <AStorm> mhm, I told you about my problem with it earlier
Apr 11 10:37:40 <lcuk> that starts an sb session
Apr 11 10:37:45 <AStorm> here it installed
Apr 11 10:37:48 <lcuk> i enter the folder and can run make or whatever
Apr 11 10:37:53 <AStorm> but not thee real maemo
Apr 11 10:38:01 <AStorm> no, I can't :/
Apr 11 10:44:01 <lcuk> astorm, what happens if you open the console, cd into sample_sources/chinook/c-samples and run make
Apr 11 10:44:12 <AStorm> that works
Apr 11 10:44:26 <AStorm> installing anything through apt doesn't
Apr 11 10:45:37 <lcuk> are you trying to install things onto the actual ubuntu box or into the scratchbox session?
Apr 11 10:46:29 <lcuk> ie, does it work from the gui system/addremove
Apr 11 10:46:35 <AStorm> sbox
Apr 11 10:47:41 <lcuk> it has got network access out and you can ping and connect to things cant you?
Apr 11 10:47:46 <AStorm> yes
Apr 11 10:48:02 <AStorm> I installed the environment as per howto
Apr 11 10:48:46 <lcuk> hmm, i do remember something like this at the start.  and something in the back of my head is saying apt-get update or clean or whatever the command is was needed
Apr 11 10:49:00 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Apr 11 10:49:09 <lcuk> it might not be specifically that but its ringing a bell now you said that
Apr 11 10:49:15 <AStorm> I'll try random stuff
Apr 11 10:49:30 <AStorm> once I get vmware running under 2.6.25
Apr 11 10:49:52 <lcuk> i know someone else had similar problem in here and i tried along with them and what they did was also failing on there but then it started working.  i think on mine though it was connectivity
Apr 11 10:50:08 <lcuk> if i remember specifics ill let you know
Apr 11 10:51:38 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15445.html
Apr 11 10:51:58 <AStorm> let's see
Apr 11 10:52:39 <AStorm> nah, I did copy resolv.conf
Apr 11 10:53:00 <lcuk> so what hap[pens if you apt-get update
Apr 11 10:53:32 <qwerty12> Can you make rxvt open a different tty? I'm playing with a build I've got on my N800.
Apr 11 10:53:54 <AStorm> lcuk: something "Installation failed" or so
Apr 11 10:54:26 <AStorm> and the repo about provided-pkgs is invalid
Apr 11 10:54:37 <AStorm> maemo-provided or so
Apr 11 10:54:44 <AStorm> that file doesn't exist
Apr 11 10:57:31 <lcuk> not sure without specifics if you pastebin the messages someone may have seen and point you in the right direction.  ive gotta get back to dayjob
Apr 11 10:57:47 <AStorm> I'll get them
Apr 11 10:59:25 <AStorm> still, I'd love to get a full devel env on the tablet itself
Apr 11 10:59:38 <AStorm> even a Debian would do
Apr 11 10:59:54 <AStorm> (powerlauncher anyone :)
Apr 11 11:01:05 <AStorm> link to "Debian on N8x0 howto" please?
Apr 11 11:01:43 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=145303
Apr 11 11:02:40 <AStorm> I'll probably use a custom desktop env. based on Xfce
Apr 11 11:02:42 <qwerty12> This also may intrest you too http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6737
Apr 11 11:02:53 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Apr 11 11:02:59 <qwerty12> Hello :)
Apr 11 11:03:21 <qwerty12> AStorm, if you do try out the second link ,look here too http://khertan.net/softwares/pygtkeditor.php
Apr 11 11:03:39 <AStorm> I do have the toolchain
Apr 11 11:03:49 <AStorm> but not autotools, real sed or coreutils
Apr 11 11:04:09 <Khertan_n810> what s the problem with pygtkeditor ?
Apr 11 11:04:28 <AStorm> none, but I like vim-7 better :)
Apr 11 11:04:46 <qwerty12> No problems, AStorm is on about compiling on tablet, I said to use pygtkeditor because its meant for programming imho
Apr 11 11:04:50 <Khertan_n810> lol really ?
Apr 11 11:05:14 <Khertan_n810> vim-7 on a nit ...
Apr 11 11:05:16 <AStorm> the trick is getting real coreutils in here
Apr 11 11:06:02 <AStorm> VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Dec 18 2007 01:08:12)
Apr 11 11:06:12 <AStorm> works well
Apr 11 11:06:51 <Khertan_n810> but is it really useable with the small keyboard ?
Apr 11 11:07:10 <AStorm> close
Apr 11 11:07:16 <Khertan_n810> :)
Apr 11 11:07:20 <AStorm> you need escape mappped
Apr 11 11:07:27 <Khertan_n810> of course
Apr 11 11:07:40 <inz> Escape is mapped
Apr 11 11:07:53 <AStorm> yup, on the arrow button
Apr 11 11:08:00 <Khertan_n810> i ve never like vim ... but it s just a question of feeling
Apr 11 11:08:12 <inz> It's just a question of learning
Apr 11 11:08:14 <inz> ;)
Apr 11 11:08:32 <Khertan_n810> no no i know how to use it ...
Apr 11 11:08:35 <lcuk> escape on 810 is in handy location already - tab should be mapped though to the dpad centre ;)
Apr 11 11:09:31 <AStorm> yup
Apr 11 11:09:39 <AStorm> and you can do that with xmodmap
Apr 11 11:09:43 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 11:09:53 <Khertan_n810> but as an old mac user i found 'gui' too complex to use ... escape truc for many thing ... too many key to tape for many thigs
Apr 11 11:09:54 <AStorm> left and right enter are different
Apr 11 11:10:14 <Khertan_n810> +n
Apr 11 11:11:11 <AStorm> still, I need to rewrite keyb. layout for Polish, fihally
Apr 11 11:11:14 <Khertan_n810> as i hate contextual menu ... it s just a feeling
Apr 11 11:11:39 <AStorm> use fn+shift correctly
Apr 11 11:12:12 <Khertan_n810> and i found that having choice is a good thing users can choose what they prefers
Apr 11 11:12:22 <AStorm> yup
Apr 11 11:13:20 <Khertan_n810> it s one of the things i like when using a gnu linux istribution
Apr 11 11:13:36 <AStorm> that's why I use Gentoo :)
Apr 11 11:13:47 <Khertan_n810> the best is however kOS :)
Apr 11 11:13:59 <AStorm> blah, blah
Apr 11 11:14:05 <AStorm> I need real devel
Apr 11 11:14:20 <Khertan_n810> my own :) just an lfs
Apr 11 11:14:32 <Khertan_n810> devel ?
Apr 11 11:14:39 <AStorm> ah, no, too high maintenance
Apr 11 11:14:47 <AStorm> did that for some time
Apr 11 11:16:13 <Khertan_n810> i found i ve less maintainace than ubuntu that i fix at each update
Apr 11 11:17:25 <Khertan_n810> must go back at work bye
Apr 11 11:18:11 <AStorm> btw, new evince doesn't explode with large pdfs anymore
Apr 11 11:18:51 <AStorm> (or cause ooms)
Apr 11 11:24:22 <pupnik> is there a nifty keen way to cache a google book?
Apr 11 11:24:29 <pupnik> for example http://books.google.com/books?id=UKIVcw8nrUcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=voluntary+city&ei=Hqb9R-6OG428zAT6kq2fBA&sig=-40ce2QA18mTqstMFEk0d2AggjU#PPP1,M1  "The Voluntary City: Choice, Community, and Civil Society"
Apr 11 11:27:02 <AStorm> pupnik: httrack?
Apr 11 11:27:49 <pupnik> hmm interesting
Apr 11 11:28:16 <pupnik> i do think google tries to prevent that
Apr 11 11:28:39 <AStorm> why? you can dump browser cache or save the websit
Apr 11 11:28:49 <AStorm> *website
Apr 11 11:29:12 <AStorm> or use some http proxy (there is one for maemo... check app-man)
Apr 11 11:30:49 <AStorm> hmm, will maemo detect any swap file, or does it haveto be on internal flash? (e.g.symlink)
Apr 11 11:31:56 <AStorm> or do I have to mod fstab?
Apr 11 11:33:27 <AStorm> any way will do, blah
Apr 11 11:33:33 <AStorm> still, I've a q
Apr 11 11:33:49 <AStorm> is there a way to make gpe-calendar use alarmd?
Apr 11 11:35:19 <pupnik> sorry i don't know
Apr 11 11:35:29 <AStorm> its crummy alarms don't have a sound
Apr 11 11:35:44 <AStorm> if they did, it'd be ok
Apr 11 11:35:46 <pupnik> hard to believe actually
Apr 11 11:36:28 <AStorm> ah, they do
Apr 11 11:36:35 <AStorm> some weirdness :P
Apr 11 11:36:44 <AStorm> still, alarmd is nicer
Apr 11 11:51:39 <inz> AStorm, alarmd doesn't actually do the alarms, it just tells systemui to show a dialog
Apr 11 11:52:28 <AStorm> I know
Apr 11 11:54:39 <AStorm> do you know how to get locking in chr key?
Apr 11 11:55:01 <AStorm> (want to use it as a modifier)
Apr 11 11:55:23 <AStorm> bonus points for locking ctrl
Apr 11 11:58:50 <KaaLinoin> what is chr anyway
Apr 11 11:59:33 <AStorm> the key that shows the stupid char list
Apr 11 11:59:51 <AStorm> it is level 8 modifier though, and can be used in ukeyboard
Apr 11 12:00:04 <KaaLinoin> ill try..   ive been wonderin what it is..  :D
Apr 11 12:00:10 <AStorm> I want to have it autoock
Apr 11 12:00:20 <AStorm> like shift or fn
Apr 11 12:00:47 <AStorm> ofc mapping lvl 8 will disable the chr list
Apr 11 12:01:33 <AStorm> but it is yucky anyway
Apr 11 12:02:44 <KaaLinoin> how to lock fn?
Apr 11 12:02:57 <AStorm> press it and it is locked
Apr 11 12:03:20 <AStorm> reacts after you press another key, as opposed to holding
Apr 11 12:03:40 <AStorm> double press and it is locked until it is pressed again
Apr 11 12:04:04 <KaaLinoin> double press was what i was lookin for
Apr 11 12:04:37 <AStorm> I want to enable that for ctrl and other modifiers too
Apr 11 12:10:22 <AStorm> ... some maemo-hacker, help?
Apr 11 12:38:27 <AStorm> hmm, now chr shows the screen keyboard with symbols, funny...
Apr 11 12:40:12 <AStorm> funny, it forgot that hw keyboard is extended
Apr 11 12:57:58 <termsig> guys any one know where i can find kismet for os2008?
Apr 11 12:58:56 <_maniac_> Hello, is maemo suitable for other tablet pc?
Apr 11 12:59:19 <AStorm> not directly
Apr 11 12:59:41 <AStorm> you'd need to replace some drivers probably
Apr 11 12:59:54 <AStorm> iff they're the same CPU
Apr 11 13:00:06 <AStorm> if not, you're out of luck
Apr 11 13:00:23 <johnx> _maniac_, you can run a limited sub-set on any Debian system. That will get you just the core open source parts
Apr 11 13:00:26 <AStorm> also, x server would have to be rebuilt
Apr 11 13:00:45 <AStorm> as xserver-omap supports only powervr
Apr 11 13:01:31 <_maniac_> oh...
Apr 11 13:01:40 <_maniac_> its not good
Apr 11 13:01:55 <_maniac_> any chances of getting linux work on toshiba portege 3500?
Apr 11 13:02:53 <AStorm> approx. 0
Apr 11 13:02:59 <glass> attach a usb dvd drive and pop in a livedvd and try?
Apr 11 13:03:00 <AStorm> protege is x86
Apr 11 13:03:22 <AStorm> you could run the devel scratchbox on it though
Apr 11 13:03:32 <_maniac_> _any_linux_ that supports wacom digitiser and can rotate screen
Apr 11 13:03:32 <glass> AStorm: the line said linux
Apr 11 13:04:05 <johnx> yeah, it will probably work...google tells me that someone was doing that in 2003
Apr 11 13:04:16 <johnx> (running linux on a portege 3500)
Apr 11 13:04:21 <AStorm> _maniac_: most do
Apr 11 13:04:32 <AStorm> after you install wacom drivers
Apr 11 13:04:44 <AStorm> Ubuntu supports that, i.e.
Apr 11 13:04:47 <Navi> It's an x86 tablet PC
Apr 11 13:05:03 <Navi> don't see why you can't :P
Apr 11 13:05:14 <_maniac_> ok. I'll try. thanks.
Apr 11 13:05:22 <johnx> O_o
Apr 11 13:06:11 <AStorm> why did he end up here? :P
Apr 11 13:06:53 <johnx> maybe googled for tablet and got maemo info
Apr 11 13:07:01 <Navi> probably
Apr 11 13:07:02 <AStorm> btw, any idea where can I configure sticky keys of maemo?
Apr 11 13:07:06 <AStorm> :)
Apr 11 13:07:39 <AStorm> want to add stickiness to ctrl and level5 shift
Apr 11 13:07:43 <Navi> I kind of want a full tablet PC to draw on
Apr 11 13:07:57 <Navi> but I don't gots teh moolah
Apr 11 13:08:02 <AStorm> Navi: they're very expensive :/
Apr 11 13:08:09 <Navi> Plus, I suck at drawing anyways >_>
Apr 11 13:08:25 * Navi is out of practice
Apr 11 13:08:34 <AStorm> ... ;( where is thnat config of sticky keys...
Apr 11 13:08:58 <AStorm> maybe it's X config or at-spi...
Apr 11 13:09:56 <AStorm> no X config
Apr 11 13:10:02 <AStorm> no option in hal
Apr 11 13:13:04 <Khertan> re
Apr 11 13:13:49 <Veggen_> Astorm: mmm, tell me when you find out the stickiness :)
Apr 11 13:14:02 <AStorm> if I find it
Apr 11 13:14:09 <Veggen_> (I'll probably look for the answer myself, too, when I find the time)
Apr 11 13:14:14 <AStorm> it is software definitely
Apr 11 13:14:17 <Khertan> why all free xhtml/css web site template look like so the same with different colors ...
Apr 11 13:14:19 <Khertan> ?
Apr 11 13:14:27 <AStorm> done by hildon-input-method
Apr 11 13:15:39 <Veggen_> Astorm: They have done something very weird with the xkb stuff. I tried modifying the fisenoda layout, that's the one I use, and couldn't get it to work.
Apr 11 13:16:03 <Veggen_> Then I copied the setup to the "de" layout, and there it worked.
Apr 11 13:16:04 <AStorm> try ukeyboard, will you?
Apr 11 13:16:13 <Veggen_> ukeyboard?
Apr 11 13:17:15 <AStorm> yeah, google for it
Apr 11 13:17:42 <jott> i bet the stickiness is hidden in hildon-input-method-framework
Apr 11 13:18:22 <jott> it would be too easy for nokia to use xaccess
Apr 11 13:19:18 <johnx> way to easy. Don't ever acuse Nokia of taking the easy way out when it comes to just reusing someone else's open source code. :P
Apr 11 13:20:43 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 13:20:57 <AStorm> they should've just used at-spi
Apr 11 13:21:07 <AStorm> as GNOME intended
Apr 11 13:21:32 <jott> but its hildon not gnome :P
Apr 11 13:21:41 <AStorm> found a nice thing, hildon-im-xkbtool
Apr 11 13:21:52 <AStorm> you can set typematic rate there
Apr 11 13:25:17 <AStorm> I'll try xmodmap stickiness options...
Apr 11 13:27:47 <AStorm> let's see how OLPC does that
Apr 11 13:31:13 <AStorm> it might be that they use accessX, but badly configures
Apr 11 13:31:58 <jott> AStorm: just patch hildon-i-m-framework :>
Apr 11 13:32:34 <AStorm> yeah sure
Apr 11 13:32:49 <Khertan> what do u think of this two template ? http://www.webshapes.org/public/templates/200702244689405768/index_blue.html#, http://www.deepaurelia.com/templates/nature2/
Apr 11 13:32:52 <AStorm> rather disable it and just use accessx
Apr 11 13:32:55 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 13:33:06 <jott> and patch Xomap to support accessx? :)
Apr 11 13:33:22 <AStorm> all X servers since XFree86 3 support it
Apr 11 13:33:34 <AStorm> unless they ripped support out
Apr 11 13:33:37 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 13:33:53 <jott> well its kdrive not xorg/xfree86 who knows ;)
Apr 11 13:34:08 <AStorm> I think the mod is done in some gtk config file
Apr 11 13:34:21 <johnx> Khertan, I prefer the first. I run firefox at ~800 pixels wide on N800 and desktop, so having the content to the left looks better to me
Apr 11 13:36:08 <Khertan> johnx > good point ... menu on right
Apr 11 13:36:27 <AStorm> I had once managed to get menu on right
Apr 11 13:36:36 <Khertan> it s made it easy to display text ... but more difficult to navigate
Apr 11 13:36:39 <AStorm> some weird situation
Apr 11 13:36:49 <AStorm> it became movable somehow
Apr 11 13:37:04 <jott> AStorm: after rotation it get moveable
Apr 11 13:37:16 <Khertan> in fact i m still looking for something new ... mine is too grey ...
Apr 11 13:37:28 <Khertan> more funny ... more web 2.0 ... more more :)
Apr 11 13:37:35 <johnx> Khertan, well the other thing is that the first design (blue/grey) actually fits in my browser window, while the second has unused space on the left and thus requires horizontal scrolling...
Apr 11 13:37:36 <Khertan> i'm still have no idea ...
Apr 11 13:37:58 <Khertan> johnx > it s due to stupid fix center
Apr 11 13:38:03 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Apr 11 13:38:09 <Khertan> johnx > that could be easily fixed
Apr 11 13:38:20 <johnx> it really seems like there just aren't that many  good proportional templates out there...
Apr 11 13:38:21 <Navi> web 2.0 is teh sux
Apr 11 13:38:21 <AStorm> now my chr key stopped responding, lol
Apr 11 13:38:46 <Khertan> Navi > depends on what you name web 2.0
Apr 11 13:38:54 <Khertan> for me it s a progress ...
Apr 11 13:38:55 <jott> AStorm: xomap seems to support accessx
Apr 11 13:39:00 <Khertan> css2 / xhtml :)
Apr 11 13:39:01 <GeneralAntilles> I'm ready for Web 3.0!
Apr 11 13:39:07 <AStorm> jott: whee
Apr 11 13:39:14 <Khertan> for other it s just stupid social web site ...
Apr 11 13:39:19 <Navi> Khertan, pfft, css2 is depreciated.  css3 \o/
Apr 11 13:39:23 <jott> probably has to be started with +accessx
Apr 11 13:39:27 <AStorm> now we only have to mod hildon-input-method
Apr 11 13:39:32 <johnx> "Web 2.0" the buzz word is kind of annoying, and often incorrectly used to hype things. But a lot of the stuff built with AJAX seems nice
Apr 11 13:39:36 <AStorm> to disable its own stickies
Apr 11 13:39:44 <Khertan> navi > so you say that microb is depreciated too ?
Apr 11 13:39:46 <Khertan> :)
Apr 11 13:39:54 <Navi> Khertan, yes
Apr 11 13:39:59 <Khertan> oki :)
Apr 11 13:40:07 <Navi> At least the current build is
Apr 11 13:40:20 <Navi> for 4.0
Apr 11 13:40:28 <Khertan> the purpose is that my futur site doesn't look ugly on microb too
Apr 11 13:40:39 <Khertan> :)
Apr 11 13:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> Keep it simple!
Apr 11 13:41:00 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles > yes ... it s the difficulty
Apr 11 13:41:09 <Khertan> simple ... but look beautiful ;)
Apr 11 13:41:11 <GeneralAntilles> Web 2.0 really doesn't have all that much to do with css or xhtml.
Apr 11 13:42:26 <MangoFusion> marketing hype, that's all it is
Apr 11 13:42:33 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly
Apr 11 13:42:56 <Khertan> all free template look like the default wordpress blog template ...
Apr 11 13:43:10 <Khertan> how i can found idea with this ! :P
Apr 11 13:43:59 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/
Apr 11 13:44:11 <GeneralAntilles> Make your own.
Apr 11 13:44:49 <jott> hrw: nice
Apr 11 13:45:35 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles > it s what i do ... but i leak idea on how it should be ... it s why i'm looking other
Apr 11 13:45:54 <Khertan> look at the actual ... i ve done it myself ... but ... heak ... !
Apr 11 13:46:00 <johnx> hrw, that rocks! I'll definitely look at that later
Apr 11 13:46:16 <hrw> jott: when it will be finished (with networking and more storage) it will be nice test platform. with distcc support it will also fly as sdk tool
Apr 11 13:46:56 <X-Fade> hrw: Oh that looks really sweet!
Apr 11 13:47:42 <jott> indeed. with networking this will rock for testing stuff
Apr 11 13:47:52 <qwerty12_N800> hrw: great! I hate connecting over usb
Apr 11 13:48:41 <Veggen> Astorm: I'm mapping all the characters I use on the chr key, and use it as a ISO_Level5_switch/Mod3
Apr 11 13:48:57 <Khertan> http://cretin-mobile.fr/
Apr 11 13:48:58 <Khertan> hihi
Apr 11 13:49:00 <Veggen> (thus not getting the popup keyboard, but I don't mind that)
Apr 11 13:49:03 <Khertan> oopss ... sorry
Apr 11 13:49:07 <Khertan> ww
Apr 11 13:51:54 <MangoFusion> neat
Apr 11 13:52:59 <lopz> hi
Apr 11 13:57:46 <hrw> Veggen: use ukeyboard for own keymap too
Apr 11 13:58:09 <hrw> Veggen: it already contain my keymap (Polish) which use Chr key for extra chars
Apr 11 13:58:36 <AStorm> which is pointless w/o sticky chr
Apr 11 13:58:39 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 13:58:55 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Apr 11 13:59:07 <AStorm> now, let's see how accessx works
Apr 11 13:59:10 <AStorm> brb
Apr 11 13:59:15 <hrw> AStorm: I blame nokia^Wmaemo for it
Apr 11 14:05:57 <AStorm> need a thingy to configure it
Apr 11 14:10:58 <AStorm> hahaha
Apr 11 14:11:05 <AStorm> standard combos
Apr 11 14:11:21 <AStorm> 5x shift = sticky keys
Apr 11 14:13:24 <AStorm> this works for ctrl at least, checking chr...
Apr 11 14:14:24 <AStorm> works too, complete success
Apr 11 14:14:37 <Veggen> Astorm: hm?
Apr 11 14:14:39 <AStorm> it seems to be disabled bz switching apps
Apr 11 14:15:26 <Veggen> I seem to remember that some things could be done either locally in the app or globally.
Apr 11 14:15:42 <Veggen> (i.e. valid for only app or all X session)
Apr 11 14:15:57 <AStorm> yup
Apr 11 14:17:04 <AStorm> ok
Apr 11 14:17:38 <AStorm> now I have to create a polish ukezboard like this for german keyboard
Apr 11 14:18:05 <AStorm> ż will be mapped to chr+y
Apr 11 14:18:38 <AStorm> (to not break numbers)
Apr 11 14:19:27 <hrw> AStorm: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/05/polish-layout-for-n810-hardware-keyboard/
Apr 11 14:20:18 <AStorm> I have that
Apr 11 14:20:33 <AStorm> but I have a german keyboard
Apr 11 14:20:39 <AStorm> so.
Apr 11 14:21:01 <AStorm> we can use cheap-accessx util
Apr 11 14:21:24 <hrw> AStorm: and you want qwertz layout?
Apr 11 14:21:31 <AStorm> no
Apr 11 14:21:37 <hrw> so?
Apr 11 14:21:41 <jott> his hardware is qwertz ;)
Apr 11 14:21:47 <AStorm> only proper specials on Fn
Apr 11 14:21:54 <AStorm> :)
Apr 11 14:22:21 <hrw> jott: but <AB01> is still <AB01>
Apr 11 14:22:27 <jott> indeed
Apr 11 14:22:32 <AStorm> right now im tzping them blind
Apr 11 14:22:34 <hrw> so only marks on keyboard are different
Apr 11 14:22:41 <AStorm> yup
Apr 11 14:22:47 <AStorm> and im used to them
Apr 11 14:23:00 <AStorm> I can live with y and z swapped
Apr 11 14:23:08 <hrw> AStorm: ok - so you want Polish layout with German marks?
Apr 11 14:23:10 <AStorm> but not  with all the specials diff
Apr 11 14:23:28 <AStorm> I can write a better one mzself, thanks
Apr 11 14:23:59 <hrw> AStorm: install ukeyboard, create layout for you and send it to me ok?
Apr 11 14:24:03 <AStorm> which will make use of all buckz bits avail
Apr 11 14:24:14 <AStorm> I have ukeyboard alreadzy
Apr 11 14:24:29 <AStorm> gah :P
Apr 11 14:24:45 <hrw> ok, but as author of Polish layout in ukeyboard I want to get alternative one too
Apr 11 14:24:58 <AStorm> you will :)
Apr 11 14:25:07 <AStorm> Im writing it now
Apr 11 14:25:11 <hrw> ok
Apr 11 14:35:14 <Khertan_n810> re
Apr 11 14:39:01 <guardian> what does "Ign file: chinook Release" message mean when running apt-get inside a chinook (4.0) target ?
Apr 11 15:01:26 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Apr 11 15:02:10 <AStorm> is there a "SIX_LEVEL" setting in xkb definition file?
Apr 11 15:02:56 <hrw> no idea
Apr 11 15:03:07 <hrw> guys: which pdf viewer for os2008 you suggest?
Apr 11 15:03:24 <AStorm> evince rocks
Apr 11 15:03:38 <AStorm> its already available
Apr 11 15:03:38 <hrw> which repo?
Apr 11 15:03:59 <AStorm> extras-devel has a non-crashy version
Apr 11 15:04:21 <hrw> ok
Apr 11 15:06:19 <KiKi__> hardware question: what is the typical current at loading a N800?
Apr 11 15:06:37 <hrw> AStorm: I did not had extras-devel enabled ;D
Apr 11 15:07:51 <KiKi__> any ideas? should be about 300 - 500 mA, would it be possible to load with less than 300 mA ?
Apr 11 15:08:51 <hrw> KiKi__: what you are charging with?
Apr 11 15:09:14 <hrw> crap 4th party charger which costs 3 cents?
Apr 11 15:10:59 <KiKi__> no, i plan to load my n800 with a solar cell
Apr 11 15:12:04 <KiKi__> voltage is fixed to 5V with about 250 mA @ max sun
Apr 11 15:12:40 <hrw> in worst situation it will not charge
Apr 11 15:13:09 <hrw> I use nokia ac-4e which gives 5v 890mA
Apr 11 15:13:43 <hrw> but also have nokia acp-12x 5.7v/800mA (n810 charger)
Apr 11 15:13:49 <hrw> ac-4e is from 770
Apr 11 15:14:41 <hrw> acp-7e give 3.7v/355mA but I do not like that one
Apr 11 15:15:03 <hrw> ac-4x gives 5v/890mA
Apr 11 15:15:14 <hrw> ok, no more nokia chargers here
Apr 11 15:16:01 <hrw> acp-7e is clone of nokia one
Apr 11 15:16:58 <KiKi__> possibility 1: load a small cell-pack (6 or even 7.2V) with the solar cell and load the N800 with the cells  or  possibility 2: take a bigger solar cell and hope, that there is enourgh current
Apr 11 15:24:21 <AStorm> or 3
Apr 11 15:24:54 <AStorm> take a small cell pack and load the battery while N is running
Apr 11 15:25:50 <KiKi__> thats the idea... but why not use a small solarcell to load the cell-pack
Apr 11 15:26:12 <AStorm> I have some TF1 clone which is rated 650 mA
Apr 11 16:03:40 <fysa> could you have a solar cell and a crank?
Apr 11 16:05:23 <KiKi__> crank ?
Apr 11 16:06:04 <KiKi__> crank = idea ?
Apr 11 16:06:26 <KiKi__> sorry, my english isnt so good
Apr 11 16:09:10 <fysa> hand creek
Apr 11 16:09:11 <fysa> ..
Apr 11 16:09:12 <fysa> hand crank
Apr 11 16:09:15 <fysa> one sec
Apr 11 16:09:44 <fysa> http://www.cellphone-store.com/motfreec98bl.html
Apr 11 16:12:09 <KiKi__> lol ... no, a  hand crank is NO option ...
Apr 11 16:13:59 <hrw|gone> I will mention http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ once more ;D
Apr 11 16:14:13 <KiKi__> but a solarcell at 175 * 110 mm shout be enourgh for loading the N800 2 times a day
Apr 11 16:14:15 <qwerty12> I was already on that page :P
Apr 11 16:14:26 <eka> hi all
Apr 11 16:14:28 <KiKi__> at a sunny day
Apr 11 16:14:39 <eka> its there any port of the preload?
Apr 11 16:15:02 <eka> cause I have seen how fast the iPhone loads all the apps, and I feel bad about it
Apr 11 16:20:09 <KiKi__> what is the best office application for N800 ?
Apr 11 16:38:03 <qwerty12> Does anyone have a list of the OS2008 media players that use gstreamer?
Apr 11 17:02:53 <pupnik> from wiki.answers.com, category Computer History: "What is the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit ina computer"  A: 8 bit computer can only display 256 colors while a 16 bit computer can display 64,000 colors
Apr 11 17:03:08 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 11 17:03:31 <wom-> :)
Apr 11 17:11:35 <elb> sergio_: in or out, boy
Apr 11 17:11:57 <sergio_> ei sorry guy
Apr 11 17:12:08 <sergio_> just trying some xchat script magic :-)
Apr 11 17:14:18 <elb> one normally tries such things without auto-joining large public channels
Apr 11 17:16:10 * hd420 is wondering where to find openssh for os 2008
Apr 11 17:16:55 <khertan__> in a repository ...
Apr 11 17:17:02 <inz> maemo extras
Apr 11 17:17:10 * KotCzarny i wondering if hd420 is lazy or just has broken repos
Apr 11 17:17:15 <KotCzarny> *is
Apr 11 17:17:30 <hd420> Kot: the latter
Apr 11 17:17:44 * lcuk grabs a beer
Apr 11 17:17:46 <hd420> I just upgraded to the latest os image, so lost my repositories
Apr 11 17:17:54 * lcuk offers anyone a bottle
Apr 11 17:18:05 <KotCzarny> try enabling extras repos as inz suggested
Apr 11 17:18:09 <KotCzarny> in app-man
Apr 11 17:18:17 <KotCzarny> hi lcuk
Apr 11 17:18:25 <lcuk> evening kot :) productive day?
Apr 11 17:18:30 <KotCzarny> erm
Apr 11 17:18:33 <lcuk> lol
Apr 11 17:18:37 <KotCzarny> i would like some sleep
Apr 11 17:18:38 <lcuk> ok, productive night?
Apr 11 17:18:39 <KotCzarny> really
Apr 11 17:18:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 17:18:42 <lcuk> oh you havent yet
Apr 11 17:18:52 <lcuk> you sound like i did yesterday
Apr 11 17:19:06 <lcuk> its been like im dyslexic for the last couple of days
Apr 11 17:19:18 <lcuk> ive been thinking im typing clearly but its all mumbojumbo
Apr 11 17:19:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 17:19:44 <hd420> ok... i see the distribution is blank, is that what it's supposed to be?
Apr 11 17:20:04 <lcuk> if you are going off shift is the latest on ftp - i feel a couple of new modules coming
Apr 11 17:20:16 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 11 17:20:30 <KotCzarny> if you can use latest
Apr 11 17:20:33 <lcuk> excellent, ill have a shuftie properly now and see whats happenin
Apr 11 17:20:39 <KotCzarny> i won't touch the code
Apr 11 17:20:58 <KotCzarny> have you tried circles fun ?
Apr 11 17:21:15 <lcuk> i saw them for about 3 seconds this morning before my nit died of battery fatigue
Apr 11 17:21:21 <KotCzarny> heehe
Apr 11 17:21:40 <KotCzarny> btw. aa is controlled in plot/outpixel function
Apr 11 17:21:49 <KotCzarny> don't remember exactly
Apr 11 17:21:56 <KotCzarny> look for *0.8
Apr 11 17:21:57 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 11 17:23:59 <lcuk> ill move into yours..
Apr 11 17:25:58 <lopz> Someone used pybluez?
Apr 11 17:26:09 <AStorm> fresh new Polish keyboard layout: Ω
Apr 11 17:26:09 <lopz> module for bluetooth
Apr 11 17:26:24 <KotCzarny> astorm: fail, unless it's utf
Apr 11 17:26:30 <KotCzarny> lcuk: :)
Apr 11 17:26:39 <lcuk> astorm, sort out your install problem from earlier?
Apr 11 17:26:44 <AStorm> KotCzarny: it is utf-8
Apr 11 17:26:47 <AStorm> no
Apr 11 17:27:10 <KotCzarny> lcuk: do you use aim/yahoo im or something? or ircnet?
Apr 11 17:27:26 <lcuk> gmail has chat but never played
Apr 11 17:27:33 <lcuk> dunno which it connects to
Apr 11 17:28:48 <KotCzarny> btw. xchat/irssi has multiserver capability i think
Apr 11 17:29:34 <AStorm> KotCzarny: it was omega letter
Apr 11 17:30:03 <AStorm> I've added Greek as an option, nice for entering math, although hard to reach
Apr 11 17:30:14 <AStorm> Θ - theta
Apr 11 17:30:29 <KotCzarny> looks like I^
Apr 11 17:30:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 17:30:49 <AStorm> use UTF-8
Apr 11 17:31:05 <KotCzarny> one day i will
Apr 11 17:31:18 <KotCzarny> right now i prefer ascii/latin2
Apr 11 17:31:26 <hd420> ugh
Apr 11 17:31:37 <AStorm> zażółc gęślą jaźn
Apr 11 17:31:40 <hd420> maemo extras connection failed :(
Apr 11 17:31:46 <AStorm> ate ć
Apr 11 17:31:49 <AStorm> :P
Apr 11 17:31:49 <KotCzarny> za��� g�l� ja��
Apr 11 17:32:28 <AStorm> « KotCzarny »
Apr 11 17:32:59 * KotCzarny yawns
Apr 11 17:32:59 <AStorm> „quote test”
Apr 11 17:34:36 <KotCzarny> lcuk: btw. something segfaults, i suspect handling strokes
Apr 11 17:34:40 <AStorm> Nokia® Maemo™
Apr 11 17:34:47 <KotCzarny> may be my code too though
Apr 11 17:34:51 <AStorm> ;)
Apr 11 17:35:33 <lcuk> ill find out - it was faulting last night - first frustrating night ;) i try not to leave it broken so i can play with it and see what to do next
Apr 11 17:35:40 <hd420> grr... this is not good at all
Apr 11 17:38:20 <KotCzarny> lcuk: the problem is that this segv isn't consistent
Apr 11 17:38:39 <KotCzarny> sometimes it takes one tap, sometimes few tens of strokes
Apr 11 17:39:06 <KotCzarny> and gdb isn't working because 'pc wasn't saved'
Apr 11 17:39:44 <lcuk> i usually color things in and then wait half an hour when clearing screen because of all the clear code generation.  it handles lots of stroke usually
Apr 11 17:40:00 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 11 17:40:34 <lcuk> ill see
Apr 11 17:40:40 <hd420> strange
Apr 11 17:41:50 <KotCzarny> lcuk: sometimes circles get R=0 as param
Apr 11 17:42:16 <KotCzarny> (that's the case when only 4 points show up
Apr 11 17:42:28 <KotCzarny> i think
Apr 11 17:42:44 <AStorm> 1 point, actually
Apr 11 17:42:48 <KotCzarny> 4
Apr 11 17:42:55 <KotCzarny> you don't see the code
Apr 11 17:42:55 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 11 17:42:58 <AStorm> 4 points is R=1
Apr 11 17:43:09 <AStorm> at least, should be
Apr 11 17:45:58 <KotCzarny> hmm, or it may be negative R
Apr 11 17:46:57 <AStorm> R=0.5 is also 4 points
Apr 11 17:47:07 <AStorm> w/o a blank in the middle
Apr 11 17:47:17 <KotCzarny> more probably R is negative in those cases
Apr 11 17:50:06 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 17:50:24 <KotCzarny> why not?
Apr 11 17:57:11 <KotCzarny> lcuk, btw. you can enable msgs from unregistered users
Apr 11 17:57:25 <KotCzarny>   /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
Apr 11 17:57:41 <AStorm> megabyte405: any chancd I could enroll in your abiword tests?
Apr 11 17:58:07 <AStorm> (yeah, I know, PM and so...)
Apr 11 17:58:59 <AStorm> My handle on ITT forum is AstralStorm.
Apr 11 17:59:24 <megabyte405> AStorm: pm
Apr 11 17:59:33 <megabyte405> I send out invites in batches
Apr 11 17:59:56 <AStorm> mhm, I'll do that then
Apr 11 18:00:43 <AStorm> It's probably still thoroughly broken, but anyway.
Apr 11 18:01:00 <AStorm> I could take a closer look on the source.
Apr 11 18:01:03 <AStorm> :)
Apr 11 18:04:00 <megabyte405> AStorm: its brokenness is documented in the thread
Apr 11 18:04:18 <megabyte405> It does work, I just wouldn't recommend it to the church secretary yet
Apr 11 18:04:23 <AStorm> I know it is :)
Apr 11 18:04:32 <megabyte405> if you've got some coding skills, I'd love to have some help tracking down those bugs
Apr 11 18:04:33 <AStorm> As I said, I've read it.
Apr 11 18:04:39 <megabyte405> :D
Apr 11 18:04:42 <AStorm> I'll try.
Apr 11 18:04:44 * megabyte405 is happy someone does :)
Apr 11 18:04:53 <megabyte405> The build instructions are on the abiword-ite subversion
Apr 11 18:06:01 <AStorm> Building by me is impossible until I get my build env sorted out.
Apr 11 18:10:04 <lcuk> ok unfiltered is on
Apr 11 18:15:50 <megabyte405> AStorm: the instructions are based on using the vmware
Apr 11 18:18:09 <AStorm> I know. I have to ge it up and running - it mysteriously didn't work for me
Apr 11 18:36:25 <megabyte405> ah, right, the /etc/resolv.conf is apparently quite buggered in all possible forms
Apr 11 18:46:36 <harryslamm> Has anyone got a celluon bluetooth keyboard to work with the n810?
Apr 11 18:54:37 <megabyte405> if it's hid it should just work, if it's serial it needs another pgoram
Apr 11 18:55:10 <AStorm> hrw|gone: sent you a mail with the keymap
Apr 11 19:51:31 <zerodegre> hey guys is there an app i can install on the nb810 to get an onscreen keyboard like the n800 had?
Apr 11 19:51:39 <zerodegre> instead of using the keyboard?
Apr 11 19:53:54 <elb> no, bcause it's built in
Apr 11 19:54:55 <zerodegre> i know that lol
Apr 11 19:55:05 <zerodegre> i have the 810
Apr 11 19:55:25 <zerodegre> but i would still like to use the onscreen keytboard if i wanted to
Apr 11 19:55:27 <tank-man> take a look here , seems like you can http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/
Apr 11 19:59:40 <zerodegre> another question, can anyone record from streamtuner on th 810?
Apr 11 20:00:13 <zerodegre> when i press record it says no command is set for "record a stream"
Apr 11 20:25:23 <flo_lap> re
Apr 11 20:28:32 <sbk> evening gentlemen
Apr 11 20:33:26 <KotCzarny> zerodegre: look for xvkbd or xkbd
Apr 11 20:36:24 <sbk> does anyone know why when I try to get OS2008
Apr 11 20:36:30 <sbk> from
Apr 11 20:36:30 <sbk> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php
Apr 11 20:36:37 <sbk> it says: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code.
Apr 11 20:36:47 <sbk> I just bought this thing from newegg lol
Apr 11 20:37:01 <KotCzarny> enter with/without ':' ?
Apr 11 20:37:12 <sbk> oh I have
Apr 11 20:37:30 <sbk> someone in here told me to put in the same code, but randomize a few digits at the end
Apr 11 20:37:34 <sbk> but I dont remember which
Apr 11 20:37:43 <KotCzarny> last one
Apr 11 20:37:47 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 11 20:38:00 <sbk> do you remember that GeneralAntilles
Apr 11 20:39:14 <sbk> KotCzarny: do you have a copy of OS2008?
Apr 11 20:39:24 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 11 20:39:24 <sbk> I need to format my N810
Apr 11 20:39:35 <KotCzarny> mine was already flashed to 2008
Apr 11 20:39:55 <sbk> yeah same here, but I need to format it
Apr 11 21:35:16 <edison> just got a new n810, have ssh server and apt-get working - but i can't seem to find gst-launch anywhere?  any hints?
Apr 11 21:35:38 <KotCzarny> it's probably gst-launch-0.10
Apr 11 21:35:40 <KotCzarny> or something
Apr 11 21:35:48 <KotCzarny> try typing gst and pressing tab twice
Apr 11 21:35:58 <edison> (gstreamer*tools are not in the repos, and yes i have tried gst-launch* and tabbed and find / |grep gst-launch etc :)
Apr 11 21:36:17 <KotCzarny> maybe extras then
Apr 11 21:36:37 <KotCzarny> i believe i have only tsandard repos (extras enabled)
Apr 11 21:36:40 <edison> how do i enable that?
Apr 11 21:36:45 <KotCzarny> go to app-man
Apr 11 21:36:48 <KotCzarny> select repos
Apr 11 21:36:48 <edison> i did the .. red button thing
Apr 11 21:36:58 <KotCzarny> and edit extras repo properties
Apr 11 21:37:08 <KotCzarny> there should be enable/disable checkbox
Apr 11 21:38:07 <edison> i assume you mean appman | tools | app catalogue
Apr 11 21:38:15 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 11 21:38:16 <edison> afaics all the repos there are enabled
Apr 11 21:38:20 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 21:38:26 <KotCzarny> then gronmayer.com/it/
Apr 11 21:38:29 <KotCzarny> and search
Apr 11 21:38:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 21:38:45 <edison> specifically the "maemo extras" repo is enabled
Apr 11 21:38:59 <edison> oh..  i'd like to do it the right way, though :)  as little hacking as possible, i mean
Apr 11 21:39:12 <edison> all the gstreamer libs seem to be available, its just the -tools (like launch and inspect) that are missing?
Apr 11 21:39:26 <edison> so i'd love to do it .. without editing files :)
Apr 11 21:39:39 <KotCzarny> 'gst-launch-0.10' yes?
Apr 11 21:40:19 <edison> yes, that's what im looking for :)
Apr 11 21:40:20 <KotCzarny> apt-cache policy gstreamer0.10-tools
Apr 11 21:40:23 <KotCzarny>   Installed: 0.10.13-0osso13~chinook
Apr 11 21:40:43 <KotCzarny> so it should be in official repos
Apr 11 21:40:45 <edison> hmm
Apr 11 21:40:45 <KotCzarny> i think
Apr 11 21:41:13 <edison> Nokia-N810-42-19:~# apt-cache search gstreamer|grep -i tools|wc -l
Apr 11 21:41:13 <edison> 0
Apr 11 21:41:22 <SHADOW6> What was that chat client similar to pidgin ( for n810)
Apr 11 21:41:27 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 21:41:28 <edison> :(
Apr 11 21:41:34 <KotCzarny> i see you have old os2008
Apr 11 21:41:37 <KotCzarny> probably beta?
Apr 11 21:41:42 <KotCzarny> Nokia-N800-51-3 is the latest
Apr 11 21:41:45 <edison> oh
Apr 11 21:41:57 <edison> point me in some direction, i just got it today, will flash and destroy if needed :)
Apr 11 21:42:12 <KotCzarny> edison: maemo.org
Apr 11 21:42:18 <KotCzarny> there should be a link for firmware :)
Apr 11 21:42:28 <edison> i just assumed since it said "os2008" in the about screen, i was "up to date" basically
Apr 11 21:42:40 <edison> i guess that was not a correct assumption then
Apr 11 21:43:09 <edison> since on maemo.org everything is divided into os..something, something-else and os2008
Apr 11 21:43:29 <KotCzarny> i believe there was some kind of beta
Apr 11 21:43:31 <edison> but thanks!  ill browse some more then.
Apr 11 21:43:33 <KotCzarny> i may be wrong though
Apr 11 21:44:47 <GeneralAntilles> edison, upgrade.
Apr 11 21:44:50 <GeneralAntilles> That's a very old release.
Apr 11 21:45:26 <edison> gen: thanks.  any more specific links than just maemo.org?  many things there referred to something other than "os2008" etc..
Apr 11 21:46:44 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
Apr 11 21:53:27 <edison> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php <- no dates on the files there, i assume i should use the latest flasher (flasher-3.0.amd64) (i am on linux x86_64)+
Apr 11 21:53:30 <edison> ?
Apr 11 21:54:27 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Apr 11 22:02:20 <pupnik> i have this crazy idea for the open file dialog!
Apr 11 22:02:32 <pupnik> how about making it show more than three files in a directory at one time!
Apr 11 22:02:46 <pupnik> </soapbox>
Apr 11 22:02:49 <GeneralAntilles> To bugzilla!
Apr 11 22:03:16 <GeneralAntilles> File it as an enhancement request for an option.
Apr 11 22:03:19 <pupnik> are such whinings proper in bugzilla?
Apr 11 22:03:23 <pupnik> oh ok
Apr 11 22:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hell yes! :D
Apr 11 22:17:07 <edison> Nokia-N810-51-3:~# apt-cache search gst|grep -i tool|wc -l
Apr 11 22:17:07 <edison> 0
Apr 11 22:17:17 <KotCzarny> enable extras?
Apr 11 22:17:27 <edison> well!  thanks for the help :)  but still no gst tools, perhaps i should try some of those web .install files then, they seem to enable new repos
Apr 11 22:17:34 <edison> kot: extras is not disabled
Apr 11 22:17:38 <edison> (by default, i checked)
Apr 11 22:17:43 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:17:46 <KotCzarny> mine were
Apr 11 22:17:53 <KotCzarny> and stock firmware also have it disabled
Apr 11 22:17:57 <edison> anyways, real nice to have upgraded :)
Apr 11 22:18:13 <edison> i got the "map" application update via apt-get upgrade now, with the old flash it would not install
Apr 11 22:18:16 <edison> so something is better, at least!
Apr 11 22:18:23 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 11 22:18:28 <KotCzarny> maemo-mapper is nice
Apr 11 22:18:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:18:30 <edison> (and i did not realise that the shell prompt showed the base flash version :)
Apr 11 22:18:42 <edison> again, i got it today, bear with me :)
Apr 11 22:18:50 <KotCzarny> yes, it's actually hostname
Apr 11 22:18:51 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 11 22:25:36 <edison> exactly where is the "extras" repo that contains gstreamer-*tools?
Apr 11 22:25:42 <edison> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free
Apr 11 22:25:57 <edison> that's my "extras"..
Apr 11 22:26:33 <pupnik> wow rscasas's google maps page optimized for tablets is sweet!  http://gmaps.xzq.net
Apr 11 22:27:26 <KotCzarny> edison, it's in main repo
Apr 11 22:27:28 <KotCzarny> not extras
Apr 11 22:27:29 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/
Apr 11 22:27:44 <KotCzarny> try running apt-get update ?
Apr 11 22:27:59 <edison> i did..  can i show you somehow, help me debug?
Apr 11 22:28:08 <KotCzarny> pastebin.com
Apr 11 22:28:16 <edison> (i'm not very intimate with apt, i just know how to put things in sources.list etc)
Apr 11 22:28:51 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:28:59 <edison> Nokia-N810-51-3:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat hildon-application-manager.list |grep -i main|wc -l
Apr 11 22:29:02 <edison> 0
Apr 11 22:29:05 <edison> could that be a hint?
Apr 11 22:29:12 <edison> no "main"..
Apr 11 22:29:14 <KotCzarny> erm
Apr 11 22:29:25 <KotCzarny> by main i meant that official nokia's one
Apr 11 22:29:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:29:29 <edison> oh :)
Apr 11 22:29:37 <edison> i told you i am unfamiliar :)
Apr 11 22:29:44 <edison> anyways, thats the only sources file i have
Apr 11 22:29:58 <edison> and i swear, there is no gstreamer tools in there as far as i can see, after update
Apr 11 22:30:16 <KotCzarny> what happens after: apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools
Apr 11 22:30:29 <edison> E: Package gstreamer0.10-tools has no installation candidate
Apr 11 22:30:52 <edison> (i just flashed to this image: -rw-r--r-- 1 oystein oystein 141228111 2008-04-11 23:52 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Apr 11 22:30:56 <KotCzarny> hum
Apr 11 22:31:05 <KotCzarny> you may try installing it by hand
Apr 11 22:31:16 <edison> sure!  but .. how :)
Apr 11 22:31:24 <KotCzarny> wget and dpkg -i
Apr 11 22:31:24 <edison> you mean outside apt?
Apr 11 22:31:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:31:33 <GeneralAntilles> dpkg -i on a .deb
Apr 11 22:31:38 <edison> oh no :(  if everyone else has it by apt i'd not like to fuck with my pristine system :)
Apr 11 22:31:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:32:02 <edison> rather figure out why i cant find it
Apr 11 22:32:11 <edison> i can offer ssh access if that would help..?
Apr 11 22:32:28 <KotCzarny> if you trust me enough
Apr 11 22:32:28 <GeneralAntilles> Now that's just asking for trouble.
Apr 11 22:32:29 <KotCzarny> then ok
Apr 11 22:32:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:32:56 <edison> .. i'll just flash it again after someone finds the problem :)
Apr 11 22:33:01 <KotCzarny> k k
Apr 11 22:33:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:33:35 <KotCzarny> still, some teen from hell can wipe your flash clean
Apr 11 22:33:42 <KotCzarny> that it would need cold flash
Apr 11 22:33:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:33:53 <edison> well i'll trust you, see msg :)
Apr 11 22:33:58 <KotCzarny> k
Apr 11 22:34:36 <edison> but please tell me everything you do.. so i understand what was wrong
Apr 11 22:34:53 <KotCzarny> first i will look at config
Apr 11 22:34:59 <edison> all i want is gstreamer-tools, and i had hoped it would be possible via gui
Apr 11 22:35:35 <edison> you can see that i flashed it ok, i assume?
Apr 11 22:36:18 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 11 22:36:24 <KotCzarny> otherewise it wouldn't boot
Apr 11 22:36:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:39:20 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:39:35 <KotCzarny> i wonder how i got it
Apr 11 22:39:39 <edison> me too :)
Apr 11 22:39:46 <edison> one thing i noticed is that...
Apr 11 22:39:55 <edison> i browsed the app database for "os 2008" on maemo.org..
Apr 11 22:40:19 <edison> when i had the old flash.. and i installed a lot of apps.  i think they were '.install' files, not debs
Apr 11 22:40:27 <edison> and they all auto-installed some repo
Apr 11 22:40:42 <edison> i think..  it was quite strange and new to me.  perhaps those tools are in one of those repos..
Apr 11 22:41:27 <KotCzarny> tools are in the main pool
Apr 11 22:41:39 <KotCzarny> that isn't in the repos list
Apr 11 22:41:45 <KotCzarny> and isn't meant to be added
Apr 11 22:41:59 <KotCzarny> because i think it contain snapshot of the os
Apr 11 22:42:04 <KotCzarny> (i may be wrong though)
Apr 11 22:42:06 <edison> i guarantee you, it is pristine, i did nothing except install openssh server from maemo.org via the browser
Apr 11 22:42:12 <KotCzarny> yes i know
Apr 11 22:42:14 <edison> :)
Apr 11 22:42:19 <KotCzarny> because your repos list looks similiar to mine
Apr 11 22:42:42 <KotCzarny> right now i'm investigating, maybe some other app relied on it and installed quietly
Apr 11 22:42:48 <edison> sure, thanks for helping
Apr 11 22:43:06 <KotCzarny> i like puzzles
Apr 11 22:43:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:43:39 <KotCzarny> is there a way to list what packages rely on particular package
Apr 11 22:43:40 <KotCzarny> ?
Apr 11 22:44:35 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:44:37 <KotCzarny> apparently nothing
Apr 11 22:44:56 <KotCzarny> because it was removed without a problem
Apr 11 22:44:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:45:36 <edison> are you destroying my device now? :)
Apr 11 22:45:55 <KotCzarny> yes, i have added that main repo
Apr 11 22:46:10 <KotCzarny> you have said you will reflash it anyway so i will give it a try
Apr 11 22:46:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:46:12 <edison> feel free to do whatever you want
Apr 11 22:46:14 <edison> sure, no probs
Apr 11 22:46:27 <edison> dont delete the internal mmc though
Apr 11 22:46:39 <edison> i downloaded music videos to it :)
Apr 11 22:46:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:46:57 <KotCzarny> i'm not touching anything other than dpkg/apt
Apr 11 22:47:30 <edison> do whatever you want so that others can get gst-launch easier if you can figure something out :)
Apr 11 22:47:31 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:47:40 <KotCzarny> yes, after adding that repo it showed up
Apr 11 22:47:53 <KotCzarny> The following extra packages will be installed:
Apr 11 22:47:53 <KotCzarny>   gstreamer0.10-tools
Apr 11 22:47:57 <KotCzarny> yes?
Apr 11 22:48:10 <edison> so why wasn't it there by default and how to do it via gui?
Apr 11 22:48:24 <KotCzarny> probably it will show in the gui
Apr 11 22:48:40 <KotCzarny> because i have added it to the sources
Apr 11 22:48:46 <edison> sure, .. but thats a given :)
Apr 11 22:48:58 <edison> btw its not on root's path..  afaics
Apr 11 22:48:59 <KotCzarny> as for adding, you can just copy extras entry
Apr 11 22:49:08 <KotCzarny> without extras/ dir part though
Apr 11 22:49:16 <edison> lets say i reflash it in a minute
Apr 11 22:49:20 <KotCzarny> i haven't installed it yet
Apr 11 22:49:27 <edison> ok
Apr 11 22:49:44 <edison> but my point is, why is it so hard..  what should i have done to figure it out for myself :)
Apr 11 22:49:46 <KotCzarny> now
Apr 11 22:49:55 <edison> yeeeeeeeah!
Apr 11 22:49:56 <edison> :)
Apr 11 22:50:09 <KotCzarny> maybe they assumed noone will be using cmd line
Apr 11 22:50:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:50:21 <KotCzarny> and if someone knows how to use the cmd line
Apr 11 22:50:29 <KotCzarny> he will know how to install it himself
Apr 11 22:50:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:50:45 <edison> so which one was it?
Apr 11 22:50:54 <KotCzarny> as i said, clone extras entry
Apr 11 22:51:02 <KotCzarny> but without extras/ in the path
Apr 11 22:51:16 <KotCzarny> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Apr 11 22:51:16 <KotCzarny> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free
Apr 11 22:51:19 <edison> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Apr 11 22:51:19 <edison> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free
Apr 11 22:51:21 <KotCzarny> that's from sources list
Apr 11 22:51:22 <edison> whoops
Apr 11 22:51:27 <edison> yes, so which one did you add?
Apr 11 22:51:33 <KotCzarny> first one
Apr 11 22:51:38 <edison> ok :)
Apr 11 22:51:39 <KotCzarny> second is for comparison
Apr 11 22:51:51 <KotCzarny> also, i would advice you to disable it afterwards
Apr 11 22:51:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 22:51:58 <edison> why?  is it unstable?
Apr 11 22:52:07 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 11 22:52:16 <KotCzarny> logic: if it wasn't there in the first place..
Apr 11 22:52:17 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 11 22:52:26 <KotCzarny> who know what can happen?
Apr 11 22:53:06 <KotCzarny> anything else?
Apr 11 22:53:18 <edison> heh, i just assumed that the native software was .. well .. its difficult when you consider that nokia is probably kind of evil, but maemo.org and the community is probably less evil, and wants things to work...
Apr 11 22:53:40 <KotCzarny> yet, it could change soon
Apr 11 22:53:50 <KotCzarny> as another release is around the corner :)
Apr 11 22:53:53 <edison> anyways, super :)  thanks everyone, especially kotczarny and generalantilles for your superb help :)
Apr 11 23:03:09 <fysa> canola youtube plugin is very slick.
Apr 11 23:29:58 <pupnik> blargh copying from mmc1 to mmc2 gives about 2MB/s
Apr 11 23:30:05 <pupnik> not quite blazing fast
Apr 11 23:30:19 <KotCzarny> better than usb1
Apr 11 23:30:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 11 23:33:22 <t_s_o> hmm, anyone else experience that deleted mails in modest reappear when a connection isnt up?
Apr 11 23:41:43 <t_s_o> this is downright funny. i delete the mails from modest, close it down, start it back up and the mails are right there in the in folder. it even seems to ignore my "headers only" setting, downloading whole mails...
Apr 11 23:46:40 <wnd> t_s_o, does yours also fetch all messages, ignoring set limit?
Apr 11 23:47:21 <t_s_o> not checked as i base it on downloading headers only and then downloading content if its a mail i want to read...
Apr 11 23:48:03 <t_s_o> that is, im using a pop server with the setting to keep the mail on the server
Apr 11 23:48:29 <t_s_o> and yes, i do know that modest do not delet mail on the server. but this is happening even when im offline the whole time...
Apr 11 23:48:57 <wnd> uh, can pop3 be used to get headers only?
Apr 11 23:49:17 <wnd> I mean I don't really know
Apr 11 23:49:48 <wnd> but I do know that when I tried modest with gmail, it always fetched all messages, including bodies, when I used pop3 instead of imap
Apr 11 23:50:11 <wnd> however both ignored the limit and fetched all headers/messages
Apr 11 23:50:44 <t_s_o> pop3 can be used that way, i do it with a phone of mine all the time
Apr 11 23:51:16 <wnd> oh ok
Apr 11 23:51:31 <wnd> well, if you can, try using imap instead
Apr 11 23:52:17 <t_s_o> not a option
Apr 11 23:52:46 <t_s_o> sadly this is a isp account that supply pop access only...
Apr 11 23:58:41 <wnd> it appears that the "fetches everything regardless what I choose" -thing is a known issue
Apr 11 23:58:59 <t_s_o> hmm, ok...
Apr 11 23:59:20 <t_s_o> maybe i was a bit quick then. still, i did search so...
Apr 12 00:01:02 <wnd> erm and with "everything" I meant the number of messages, not contents. I should've said "all messages". sorry.
Apr 12 00:02:23 <t_s_o> ok
Apr 12 00:18:42 <dick-richardson> easy method to install abiword?
Apr 12 00:20:31 <mikedep333> I would like to know that too
Apr 12 00:44:37 <briand> 1
Apr 12 00:54:03 <shapr> So, has anyone gotten a2dp working on os2008 ?
Apr 12 01:07:32 <lcuk> dick-richardson, i think there is a version of abiword specifically for maemo.  it is a little more cut down but appears to be geared to the device.  im not sure of its status but it may be worth a look
Apr 12 01:26:34 <GeneralAntilles> shapr, lots of people.
Apr 12 01:26:40 <GeneralAntilles> It's just stupid CPU intensive.
Apr 12 01:26:45 <GeneralAntilles> So don't expect to multitask while using it.
Apr 12 01:27:18 <shapr> oh
Apr 12 01:27:19 <shapr> suck
Apr 12 01:27:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's being worked on, though.
Apr 12 01:27:56 <shapr> that's good
Apr 12 01:45:02 <mikedep333> hey, I can't install this because poppler-utils isn't available
Apr 12 01:45:08 <mikedep333> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18837
Apr 12 01:45:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extra-devel.
Apr 12 01:45:47 <GeneralAntilles> http://gronmayer.com/it
Apr 12 01:45:58 <GeneralAntilles> Whenever you have an unresolved dependency, visit gronmayer first.
Apr 12 01:46:06 <mikedep333> thx
Apr 12 01:46:50 * halleck would like to shake gronmayer's hand. 
Apr 12 01:47:07 <halleck> That site has saved me soooo much time.
Apr 12 01:47:12 <mikedep333> ok
Apr 12 01:47:18 <mikedep333> but which repo is poppler in?
Apr 12 01:47:28 <halleck> search for it on his site :)
Apr 12 01:47:50 <halleck> it has a nifty little search on the right sidebar
Apr 12 01:48:09 <dick-richardson>  and even a link to automatically add the repo once you find it
Apr 12 01:48:15 <mikedep333> thx
Apr 12 01:48:19 <GeneralAntilles> <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extra-devel.
Apr 12 01:48:21 <SHADOW6>   What is the program like pidgin called again commerse?
Apr 12 01:48:43 <GeneralAntilles> s/Extra/Extras
Apr 12 01:48:55 <lcuk> is there a way to make a fake repo which takes a list of parent repos and displays files and allows using through a single front end portal.  something that nokia could host and run and allow people to have their own repos if required (we will need to contact authors in strange repos with odd programs which should really be in extras because they are used)
Apr 12 01:49:12 <lcuk> and something we can make suggestions for repos
Apr 12 01:49:16 <SHADOW6> 1010101010101 01010100101010101010
Apr 12 01:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Apr 12 01:49:21 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, stop. :P
Apr 12 01:49:23 <lcuk> wall of text ;)
Apr 12 01:49:28 <GeneralAntilles> Developers just need to use Extras.
Apr 12 01:49:49 <lcuk> thats ok for now, but what about those who havent
Apr 12 01:49:56 <lcuk> but have a random repo out there
Apr 12 01:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> Beat the shit out of them.
Apr 12 01:50:20 <dick-richardson> That's the best idea
Apr 12 01:50:24 <SHADOW6> Who
Apr 12 01:50:29 <lcuk> what if thats the problem - they are in hiding or doing other things etc
Apr 12 01:50:45 <GeneralAntilles> For a variety of reasons, turning Extras into some sort of messed up front-end for all the various shitty repos out there is a very bad idea.
Apr 12 01:50:48 <lcuk> uncontactable with a baseballbat or otherwise
Apr 12 01:51:23 <halleck> We do not want a bunch every bit of code for the ITs linked together it would cause too much breakage for one thing
Apr 12 01:51:45 <SHADOW6> NOTE- Vista suck
Apr 12 01:51:54 <SHADOW6> s
Apr 12 01:52:06 <lcuk> *when run on ARMEL devices
Apr 12 01:52:29 <dick-richardson> I rdp'd into a windows vm and convinced a buddy of mine I had installed it locally
Apr 12 01:52:40 <halleck> Well...if you had a computer with 6GBs of ram and 3 core2-duo 3.2Ghz proccessors it is only a tad bit on the slow side.
Apr 12 01:53:45 <halleck> Actually it ran quite nicely but still...you should not NEED that.
Apr 12 01:55:07 <SHADOW6> .
Apr 12 02:05:28 <WorkingOnWise> is there any activ work on wine for OS2008?
Apr 12 02:05:42 <WorkingOnWise> or is that too much to run?
Apr 12 02:05:58 <GeneralAntilles> Hahaha
Apr 12 02:06:19 <GeneralAntilles> You do realize wine isn't a CPU emulator?
Apr 12 02:09:03 <WorkingOnWise> GeneralAntilles: um, yeah, I do.
Apr 12 02:09:13 <WorkingOnWise> I done want to emulate a cpu
Apr 12 02:09:27 <GeneralAntilles> You want to run Windows x86 binaries on an ARM CPU?
Apr 12 02:10:11 <GeneralAntilles> Your best option would be to try to get DOSBox running 98.
Apr 12 02:10:23 <dick-richardson> ouch
Apr 12 02:10:24 <WorkingOnWise> yeah. I didnt realize wine was dependant in the app side
Apr 12 02:10:48 <mikedep333> after using sudo gainroot
Apr 12 02:10:51 <WorkingOnWise> thats just wrong. Win98? in my IT? ewWWWW   :D
Apr 12 02:10:55 <mikedep333> is apt-get update supposed to work?
Apr 12 02:11:08 <GeneralAntilles> What's the problem, mikedep333?
Apr 12 02:11:19 <mikedep333> hmm
Apr 12 02:11:24 <mikedep333> nothing apt-get is working
Apr 12 02:11:35 <mikedep333> I have the power plugged in and I restarted it
Apr 12 02:11:54 <mikedep333>  - /var/lib/dpkg is locked
Apr 12 02:12:12 <GeneralAntilles> Is Application manager opened?
Apr 12 02:12:50 <mikedep333> no
Apr 12 02:12:57 <WorkingOnWise> would the IT even be able to run Win98 in dosbox? as in run and be of any use? as useful as win98 can be that is...
Apr 12 02:13:06 <GeneralAntilles> No
Apr 12 02:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> 3.11 is the most you could hope for, really.
Apr 12 02:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> It's about ~10MHz +/-5MHz depending on the emulation level.
Apr 12 02:14:06 <mikedep333> nm
Apr 12 02:14:07 <dick-richardson> 3.11 allows for networking. you could install the netscape that worked in it
Apr 12 02:14:11 <mikedep333> I opened and closed it
Apr 12 02:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> To what end, dick-richardson? :P
Apr 12 02:15:00 <dick-richardson> <sigh> to browse the internet on the device. obviously
Apr 12 02:15:03 <WorkingOnWise> ah...so it wont get me enough to do what I want. I have a lot of ebooks that are windows exe's, needing IE and whatever dll's are involved...
Apr 12 02:15:11 <WorkingOnWise> lol...
Apr 12 02:15:16 <GeneralAntilles> Erm, and the advantage of using Netscape over MicroB? :\
Apr 12 02:15:21 <mikedep333> ok
Apr 12 02:15:24 <mikedep333> this is getting annoying
Apr 12 02:15:28 <mikedep333> how do I ssh into my IT
Apr 12 02:15:32 <mikedep333> I have dropbear installed
Apr 12 02:15:39 <dick-richardson> the security and ease of use of windows
Apr 12 02:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> ssh root@<N800 IP>
Apr 12 02:15:55 <mikedep333> ok
Apr 12 02:16:01 <mikedep333> and how do I find out the IP?
Apr 12 02:16:06 <GeneralAntilles> Har har har, dick-richardson.
Apr 12 02:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> Connection manager
Apr 12 02:16:41 <KotCzarny> try 127.0.0.1
Apr 12 02:16:42 <GeneralAntilles> or your router
Apr 12 02:18:22 <mikedep333> used wifiinfo
Apr 12 02:28:54 <mikedep333> I had to use apt-get -f install to install poppler stuff since the repo did not have keys
Apr 12 02:39:39 <mikedep333> hey, what are indtgames?
Apr 12 02:39:46 <mikedep333> I cant find any info on the web
Apr 12 02:39:56 <KotCzarny> they want to take over the world
Apr 12 02:40:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's a meta package for all of the INdT games.
Apr 12 02:40:23 <mikedep333> ok
Apr 12 02:40:41 <mikedep333> oh, these
Apr 12 02:40:41 <mikedep333> http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games/
Apr 12 02:40:42 <mikedep333> thx
Apr 12 02:49:49 <Navi>  Anyone know how to keep the volume from dropping from max when plugging in headphones?
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