**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 14 02:59:57 2008 Apr 14 03:01:58 I really forgot how awesome the mozilla banners were :) Apr 14 03:02:12 * johnx looks for an old mozilla theme for firefox... Apr 14 03:03:25 there was a communist/mozilla party theme for the original mozilla Apr 14 03:04:58 http://mithgol.ru/Mozilla/Firefox/ Apr 14 03:06:37 good night all Apr 14 03:06:45 'night Apr 14 03:06:48 good night nokia n800 Apr 14 03:20:27 hola Apr 14 04:48:35 is the microB source available? Apr 14 05:02:08 EruditeHermit, MicroB and gtkmozembed are open. Apr 14 05:02:14 tablet-browser is not, though. Apr 14 05:49:36 Navi, If you are there, sorry for missing the rss deb link. I just saw it now in the log. Thanks! Apr 14 05:49:53 np Apr 14 05:52:28 Out of question, has anyone managed to build higher than 1.2.1.2 of the application manager? I got that built. Make deb wasn't working so I used the debian folder from 1.2.0.2 (the version on the device) but I found 1.2.1.2 so buggy. I reverted back to 1.2.0.2 Apr 14 06:23:30 anyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode Apr 14 06:38:12 I love these posts http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19098 Apr 14 06:38:48 Lol, they annoy me. They frequently come on another forum I'm on too. Apr 14 06:39:02 gp32x? Apr 14 06:39:08 se-nse Apr 14 06:39:17 Must be common then :P Apr 14 06:39:28 Go buy one, Navi! Apr 14 06:39:30 Spam bots are common everywhere Apr 14 06:39:32 Tell us if those deals are real! Apr 14 06:39:36 I'm more ashamed as this post is from the UK :( Apr 14 06:39:43 Teh Shame! Apr 14 06:39:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19095 Apr 14 06:40:39 hmm Apr 14 06:40:42 let's flag it? Apr 14 06:41:28 MANAGERMANET. Apr 14 06:41:29 lol Apr 14 06:41:37 wrong on so many levels Apr 14 06:41:38 :) Apr 14 06:58:17 gp32x only 150 .... Apr 14 06:58:29 same price as a ds .. Apr 14 06:59:01 Meh, I'd rather get the gp32x. Never liked the DS or the games on it. Saying that, I have a psp. Apr 14 07:03:54 anyone having trouble updating their system? I'm not running in red pill mode Apr 14 07:04:20 "system"? Apr 14 07:09:37 i recon some gp32x devs are doing new handheld console too.. Apr 14 07:11:09 hmm arm unit with mmu Apr 14 07:11:14 temtping Apr 14 07:13:51 jani: yes that new thing is very sexy (3d and such) Apr 14 07:14:11 but $CURRENT_MODEL lacks wifi imho Apr 14 07:14:25 pupnik: what what that called again? Apr 14 07:14:37 Pandora Apr 14 07:14:42 yes! Apr 14 07:15:07 keesj: specs are nice but design wasnt that sexy =)) Apr 14 07:15:39 i.e. horrifying Apr 14 07:15:54 but the gp32x has bigger problem then the tablets (the use/real developer ratio...) Apr 14 07:16:19 N900 will end up with very similar specs. Apr 14 07:16:52 yes , in the next year wel will see a lot of 3d arm based things i guess Apr 14 07:17:35 There's a lot now. Apr 14 07:17:42 They're just not very interesting 3d gaming platforms. Apr 14 07:17:53 but if there are not real gamer button there is really no need to 3d Apr 14 07:18:28 Wiimote/BT keyboard Apr 14 07:18:36 Or just steal Quake's control scheme. Apr 14 07:18:38 GeneralAntilles: there's an 'operating system' option in the upgrade list Apr 14 07:18:47 http://pandora.bluwiki.org/go/Image:Fluffy16.jpg Apr 14 07:18:50 Only in Red Pill, doc|home. Apr 14 07:19:02 Quake's control setup is basically perfect for the tablets. Apr 14 07:19:23 wiimote and keyboard are nice but not in the train Apr 14 07:19:23 More N800 than N810 Apr 14 07:19:28 hmmm, anyone mind reminding me how I check for red pill? I flashed this device and didn't set red pill on it again Apr 14 07:19:51 Just turn it off. Apr 14 07:20:00 mean :( Apr 14 07:20:06 No, seriously. Apr 14 07:20:09 * doc|home goes back into his corner Apr 14 07:20:28 Menu Tools -> Application catalogs -> New matrix . . . blue Apr 14 07:21:30 ah bugger, it took my repos, that's why :/ Apr 14 07:21:35 (in the backup) Apr 14 07:28:07 Morning, all Apr 14 07:28:51 doc|home: GeneralAntilles is right - Red Pill mode is a curse, not a blessing. Apr 14 07:30:17 it is, will reflash without it Apr 14 07:30:25 stupid thing carried over :/ Apr 14 07:45:58 Erm, how important is the pkgDepCache in apt-worker.cc? Commenting it out was the only way I could get a compile :/ Apr 14 08:12:40 hi keesj i do not understand the question Apr 14 08:29:03 pupnik: I was searching for the "Pandora" name Apr 14 08:29:34 ok Apr 14 08:29:55 they are at very early stages Apr 14 08:30:10 it might still be possible to drive through an open-source maemo to that platform Apr 14 08:30:23 pandora.bluwiki.com Apr 14 08:30:47 they will be bootstrapping the community with a very simple kernel, bootloader and a few emus Apr 14 08:36:40 Hola Apr 14 08:38:04 pupnik, Debian + Matchbox/Hildon works fairly well for that. Apr 14 08:38:49 yeah, i just want more cooperation Apr 14 08:39:00 because people power is limited on these platforms Apr 14 08:39:16 look at the crappy stuff i did Apr 14 08:39:25 most of it hasn't been done well yet Apr 14 08:39:31 there is a real labor shortage Apr 14 08:40:24 and frankly, linux versus proprietary OSes isn't just a hobby Apr 14 08:40:34 it's a crusade, for security and individual privacy Apr 14 08:40:58 the effects might not be significant now, but they might be, andthey could be very important in the future Apr 14 08:41:12 bon dia / good morning Apr 14 08:41:23 so viable open source computing has deep social implications Apr 14 08:41:37 and nokia tablets are on the forefront of bringing that to a pocket size Apr 14 08:42:23 hi AD-N770 Apr 14 08:42:34 some people might realize this instinctively Apr 14 08:42:45 others like myself promote it very consciously Apr 14 08:43:44 auditable, open-source operating systems, on all hardware platforms, are a vastly important project for mankind Apr 14 08:44:36 pupnik: what a speech! Apr 14 08:45:50 thanks keesj Apr 14 08:46:05 Hehe Apr 14 08:46:16 pupnik: just imagine what can happen when 3d printing and pastic chips to become avaiable! Apr 14 08:46:55 i mean no disrespect but i do not understand that Apr 14 08:47:13 hw replicators Apr 14 08:47:45 pupnik: you are talking about the inpact of free software right? Apr 14 08:47:50 yes Apr 14 08:48:12 what would happen is the hardware also becomes free? (as in open-source free) Apr 14 08:48:21 glass, i don't see self-building things happening in our lifetimes Apr 14 08:48:28 oh ok Apr 14 08:48:30 and you can create your own pandora Apr 14 08:48:50 pupnik: it is already happening Apr 14 08:49:09 games aren't important, but providing games for linux helps keep it viable Apr 14 08:49:42 interesting Apr 14 08:50:01 that's beyond my life-time frame, in my opinion Apr 14 08:50:09 Meh, mass production will always be cheaper and better. Apr 14 08:50:12 pupnik: naa, its really nearly here Apr 14 08:50:26 pupnik: i know a company in cambridge that prints ICs Apr 14 08:50:39 pupnik: you can buy a deposition printer for <50k Apr 14 08:50:57 ah cool Apr 14 08:51:58 tech always has a trend towards cheap and shareable Apr 14 08:52:26 simple example, bycicles with suspensions Apr 14 08:52:36 now dirt cheap - back in 1997, very expensive Apr 14 08:53:24 hrw: ping? Apr 14 09:16:48 w00t w00t Apr 14 09:17:09 Members of the EEA don't need a working permit to live in the UK :D Apr 14 09:17:43 crashanddie, nice :) Apr 14 09:19:17 hi Apr 14 09:19:58 X-Fade: pong Apr 14 09:22:13 Any kernel experts here? "I'm getting when running make: WARNING: "copy_page" [fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko] undefined! make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make: *** [modules] Error 2 Apr 14 09:22:13 " Apr 14 09:22:15 can i tell the n800 not to power down when the power-plug is connected? Apr 14 09:22:26 hrw: Regarding your blog post and google search: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2008-April/000248.html Apr 14 09:22:34 this frequent power down is very annoying for hacking. Apr 14 09:23:45 tbf, define "power down" ? Apr 14 09:24:18 crashanddie: it dims the screen after some seconds and sometime later it even seems to sleep... Apr 14 09:24:28 X-Fade: thx - will mention Apr 14 09:24:32 crashanddie: at least that's the impression sbrsh/ssh give me Apr 14 09:24:53 Tried settting the option to leave the backlight on while charging? Apr 14 09:24:57 hrw: You got me all stressed out ;) I worried that something broke there.. Apr 14 09:24:58 crashanddie: to make it react on network traffic again i have to touch the screen Apr 14 09:25:16 qwerty12: there is such an option? Apr 14 09:25:17 tbf, never had anything like that, you could try what qwerty12 said Apr 14 09:25:21 tbf, yeah sure Apr 14 09:25:29 tbf, in control panel, display Apr 14 09:25:46 X-Fade: the problem is more then searching for maemo info you mostly get blogs or other random places then maemo Apr 14 09:26:01 tbf, display options "Display stays lit:" change "Never" to "When Charging" Apr 14 09:26:02 X-Fade: for some searches maemo website was after 20-30 results Apr 14 09:26:11 qwerty12, crashanddie: oh. let's see if this helps Apr 14 09:26:15 thanks alot Apr 14 09:26:19 hrw: site:maemo.org ? Apr 14 09:26:26 tbf, though, I've never had any problem like you said Apr 14 09:26:38 tbf, N800 or N810 ? Apr 14 09:26:44 crashanddie: N800 Apr 14 09:26:54 Which OS? Apr 14 09:27:00 qwerty12: OS2008 Apr 14 09:27:02 X-Fade: I got used to not have to add it because it is often easier to find good info on users sites then on maemo ones Apr 14 09:27:02 tbf, my N800 is at school, but I definitely don't have that problem on the N810 Apr 14 09:27:28 tbf, I haven't had that problem but it has been said to happen before. Apr 14 09:27:46 hrw: Unfortunately we can't change google siterank :) Link to more pages at maemo.org and they will show up higher in the results... Apr 14 09:28:12 X-Fade: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amaemo.org+n810+keyboard contra http://www.google.com/search?hl=pl&q=maemo+n810+keyboard - second one gives solution on 3rd link Apr 14 09:28:59 X-Fade: would be great if someone will clean up maemo.org wiki to have wiki.maemo.org/os2005/ /os2006/ /os2007/ /os2008/ etc Apr 14 09:29:12 osso_software_version: RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 Apr 14 09:29:26 X-Fade: often user can get page with infos looking interesting but only for os2006 on 770 Apr 14 09:29:28 hrw: We are going to do a wiki restructure soon.. Apr 14 09:29:32 X-Fade: cool Apr 14 09:29:36 hrw: And move it to a mediawiki ;) Apr 14 09:29:47 qwerty12: hmm... maybe i should get used of using the usb network link, instead of the wireless link Apr 14 09:30:00 * Jaffa gets Mrs Jaffa to investigate Berlin flights for LinuxTag, given I've got my cousin's wedding the weekend after Apr 14 09:30:16 LinuxTag ? Apr 14 09:30:37 Jaffa: Going too? Cool, see you there :) Apr 14 09:31:01 X-Fade: will you be on linuxtag? Apr 14 09:31:27 hrw: Quim planned a talk for me there.. Apr 14 09:31:34 So I guess I have to go ;) Apr 14 09:32:20 X-Fade: I hope to be there Apr 14 09:32:48 Heh.. Currently I'm planned to do the first talk of the track. Apr 14 09:34:39 LinuxTag is gonna be some good stuff. Apr 14 09:34:48 Be sure to get that stuff recorded! :D Apr 14 09:42:20 if i would like to have maemo mapper and maemopad integrated into a single application, how would i go about it? Apr 14 09:42:54 mbuf: in what way? Apr 14 09:43:01 also be able to minimize, maximize each application; Apr 14 09:43:18 keesj, into a single code base; Apr 14 09:44:55 keesj, for example, i want to write gps code to handle both mapper and maemopad; but, these are currently standalone applications; so, i would like to integrate them into one application Apr 14 09:45:11 Edit. I fixed my kernel problem ^-^, insert EXPORT_SYMBOL(copy_page); into arch/arm/kernel/armksyms.c after EXPORT_SYMBOL(__strnlen_user); Apr 14 09:45:29 Edit? eek, im not on a forum. Apr 14 09:53:31 erm, mbuf, why not just go through gpsd? Apr 14 09:53:56 GeneralAntilles, each application should add support for it? Apr 14 09:54:09 Why do you need Maemo Mapper? Apr 14 09:54:16 Just for GPS info? Apr 14 09:54:34 GeneralAntilles, it was just an example; maybe think of another application Apr 14 09:55:09 GeneralAntilles, for each application, for the task it does, i want to dump GPS locations to a file; Apr 14 09:55:19 Use gpsd, then. Apr 14 09:55:25 GeneralAntilles, ok Apr 14 09:55:43 Actually, there's probably a document on maemo.org for location-aware stuff. Apr 14 09:56:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE Apr 14 09:58:46 GeneralAntilles, so, the applications will have to use gpsd; but, i would like to know as to how i can put these applications into a single code base; Apr 14 10:01:08 Which applications? Apr 14 10:02:30 GeneralAntilles, for example, maemopad, maemoxyz Apr 14 10:03:11 GeneralAntilles, i don't want the user to use separate instance of maemopad; i would like to integrate them into a single application; Apr 14 10:03:23 *them == maemopad, maemoxyz, et. al. Apr 14 10:03:37 Write Canola plugins. Apr 14 10:03:40 That'd work well for that. Apr 14 10:04:59 Yes canola plugins ... Apr 14 10:05:46 but specialy because I don't see much common between a mapper and a pad besides libs Apr 14 10:06:56 keesj, GeneralAntilles yes that was what i was looking for; will look into canola plugins Apr 14 10:06:58 thanks Apr 14 10:07:47 is that open already? Apr 14 10:08:14 The plugin framework. Apr 14 10:08:28 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/developer.html Apr 14 11:17:47 Goood morning :) Apr 14 11:31:25 X-Fade: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/10/the-curse-of-maemo-closed-source-components/ Apr 14 11:32:39 oh... i though x-fade would be a dj tool :) Apr 14 11:32:58 hrw: Hehe, you didn't need to do that. But thanks ;) Apr 14 11:34:15 X-Fade: I prefer to clarify such errors for some time Apr 14 11:35:23 hrw: Ok. Apr 14 11:35:35 Wohooo got a lense for my (non dslr) digicam :D now i can stalk people miles away Apr 14 11:35:46 I mean...photograph birds Apr 14 11:36:10 800mm? Apr 14 11:36:36 Non DSLR with interchangeable lenses? Apr 14 11:36:37 It triples the zoom of my a650, so 630mm Apr 14 11:36:58 And with 12mpix i can afford to crop Apr 14 11:37:23 Its a lense that goes on top of the one thats on the cam Apr 14 11:37:31 Ah, right. Apr 14 11:37:35 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00198.jpg Apr 14 11:37:40 * GeneralAntilles just upgraded to DSLR a couple weeks ago. Apr 14 11:37:50 It's like a whole new beautiful world. Apr 14 11:37:56 I couldnt afford one so got the a650 instead Apr 14 11:38:11 Cptn-N800: some sample foto pls Apr 14 11:38:15 Canon's A-series is stupid cheap with beautiful CCDs. Apr 14 11:39:14 Im at school atm :/ had to leave my cam 3e min afteri got the lense. I expect pic quality to not be perfect with that lense, but for 890 usd shipped... Apr 14 11:39:26 Ops Apr 14 11:39:31 90usd Apr 14 11:39:33 Lol Apr 14 11:41:02 I dont even want to know how much that kind oftele would cost on a dslr. And i got the a650 for 140 less than it normally costs here in norway Apr 14 11:42:54 Do you like the cam? I was looking at an A590 or A570... Apr 14 11:42:57 there is no emacs in scratchbox? Apr 14 11:43:05 you can use emacs from the outside Apr 14 11:43:27 emacs /scratchbox/users/me/home/me/... Apr 14 11:43:48 Yeah i love it. Its not a dslr, but for me it does the job and then some. The macro modus is especially fun, as it basically has no limit and can focus a cm away from the lense Apr 14 11:44:35 kulve, ok Apr 14 11:44:43 As with all superzoom cams, high iso means noise, so i use it at iso 80 all the time. The image stabilizer helps in that aspect with allowing longer shutter speeds Apr 14 11:45:40 Cptn-N800: iso80? not 50 or 100? Apr 14 11:45:55 yeah, I'm looking in the <$200USD range and not seeing anything that looks much better than the a570/590 Apr 14 11:46:50 Hrw: no iso 80 is lowest. 80-100-200-400 etc Apr 14 11:47:47 I was worried with 12wmpix on a small sensor, but image quality is very good. And with that resolution you can crop the shit out of stuff Apr 14 11:48:34 right now, I'm shooting with a coolpix 2500, so just about anything is a step in the right direction Apr 14 11:48:51 I had a 4yo konica minolta z10 Apr 14 11:48:55 Cptn-N800: tx Apr 14 11:49:42 I have some example pics online (without new lense)p if i can remember the url... Think its http://captain-odegard.com/a650is Apr 14 11:49:51 Either that or /a650 Apr 14 11:50:03 my coolpix is from circa ~2002 I believe :) neat, I'll look at the pics Apr 14 11:50:44 They are 12mpix and not edited so beware Apr 14 11:51:23 alright :) Apr 14 11:51:36 The flash has variable strength setting... I dunno if thats normal on cams these days but it was the first time id seen it Apr 14 11:51:42 Useful for macros Apr 14 11:52:13 are all these shots handheld? Apr 14 11:52:19 Yes Apr 14 11:52:46 Some are 1/15 shutter, sjhows how well the stabilizer works Apr 14 11:52:48 johnx, I can do nothing but recommend the Canon A-series. Apr 14 11:53:00 that's what I'm getting from reviews too :) Apr 14 11:53:20 There's really nothing better in that price and size range. Apr 14 11:54:13 Though DSLR is really worth it if you have the cash. Apr 14 11:54:14 I was looking at some other cams, but basically gave them up because they didnt use SD Apr 14 11:54:20 I hate xD cards Apr 14 11:54:28 Expensive, low capacity shit Apr 14 11:55:34 GeneralAntilles, yeah, pretty hard to justify the cost, for what it will get used for. And also, I'd rather have a cheaper cam that I'm not terrified of breaking so that it can actually be used in more, aheam, "adverse" situations Apr 14 11:55:50 O_o Apr 14 11:56:07 adverse as in rain, etc Apr 14 11:56:15 Wt fock are you taking pics of? ;)P Apr 14 11:56:20 Oh.... Apr 14 11:56:27 *Slaps self* Apr 14 11:56:33 heh :D Apr 14 11:56:41 I want the underwater house for the a650 but its expensive Apr 14 11:57:07 if I get a new cam, maybe I'll try putting my coolpix in a ziploc bag :D Apr 14 11:57:29 I got three cams now... Trying to sell the crappy hp r727 Apr 14 11:57:48 Cams without manual mode is scarily uselss Apr 14 11:57:56 Hehe Apr 14 11:58:17 agreed :/ Apr 14 11:59:47 Now i want the wide angle convertor for the cam... 0.5tx means 19mm Apr 14 11:59:56 *X Apr 14 12:04:09 Hi everyone, do you listen to some webradio? I am seeking for some internet stations to implement into the Mojocafe Radio Apr 14 12:15:21 cyberholic: soma.fm? Apr 14 12:15:32 erm Apr 14 12:15:36 somafm.com Apr 14 12:15:49 yeah.... you want me to implement it to the Mojocafe Radio? Apr 14 12:16:17 And what kind of Station you want to hear? Apr 14 12:16:18 personally, indifferent, as i don't use mojocafe [yet] :) Apr 14 12:16:23 Phil Hendrie 24/7! :D Apr 14 12:16:37 But have you check the Mojocafe Radio? you do not need to be registered there. Apr 14 12:16:39 well, secret agent radio is nice Apr 14 12:16:43 not yet Apr 14 12:16:49 http://www.mojocafe.net/radio Apr 14 12:16:52 will install mojocafe when at home Apr 14 12:17:14 But its Flash again :) ... you do not need to install anything... as long as i think *gg* Apr 14 12:17:33 here is an other yet very simple to implement idea for linuxtag Apr 14 12:17:36 yeah, but i'm at work now :/ Apr 14 12:17:47 a n810 speed typing contest Apr 14 12:17:52 Hehe Apr 14 12:17:53 Bleh Apr 14 12:17:55 ah. ok. Apr 14 12:18:01 I like a thumbboard typing contest more. :D Apr 14 12:18:04 * GeneralAntilles wins that one. Apr 14 12:18:22 why does the "TooTwo" not get displayed in the second window, when button is clicked initially? http://rafb.net/p/nZhinJ13.html Apr 14 12:18:36 keesj: can i join in with my bluetooth kb? ;) Apr 14 12:18:53 aquatix: cheater! :) Apr 14 12:19:00 sure , but you must stand Apr 14 12:19:10 stand the bt jammer Apr 14 12:19:39 something network related would be nice for linuxtag Apr 14 12:20:04 like lxdoom network mode deathmatch Apr 14 12:21:03 and some simple bluetooth app could/should be written for proximity fun Apr 14 12:21:49 broadcast irc handle + picture ;) Apr 14 12:23:01 ok, there can be only one g_set_application Apr 14 12:23:25 yes, I think something with bt might be easy / quick win Apr 14 12:24:31 it just needs the "extra nit factor" Apr 14 12:25:13 yup Apr 14 12:26:20 Anyone joining with a BT KB will be allowed to enter, only if they type with their feet Apr 14 12:26:23 or nose Apr 14 12:27:15 has tux typing a network mode? Apr 14 12:29:21 keesj: i'll strap some mini-table around me then ;) Apr 14 12:29:56 put a BOMB image as wallpaper on it and call yourself a suicide bomber! Apr 14 12:30:47 oh, by the way - i just found it yesterday, but kept ROFL..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp5-VEFJ67k Apr 14 12:30:47 jott: gabble? Apr 14 12:31:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE is also nice YT Apr 14 12:31:09 mbuf, does g_signal_connect, and more specifically G_CALLBACK() send the right parameters ? Apr 14 12:31:16 mbuf, to new_window () that is , Apr 14 12:31:42 cyberholic, yeah, that's probably one his best ;) Apr 14 12:32:03 hrw: LOOOL! Apr 14 12:33:25 cyberholic, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening Apr 14 12:34:24 lol Apr 14 12:53:23 cyberholic, woops, that wasn't for you, I just noticed Apr 14 12:53:30 mbuf, try to get the return value of g_signal_connect() in order to know what's happening Apr 14 12:53:35 got that :) Apr 14 12:54:07 crashanddie, i get warning for GLIB: trying to reset g_set_application; so that is fixed now Apr 14 12:54:52 mbuf, you fixed the problem ? Apr 14 12:55:17 crashanddie, just didn't call g_set_application twice Apr 14 12:55:48 oh right Apr 14 12:56:11 mbuf, if you have another problem, just ask :) Apr 14 12:56:21 crashanddie, thanks Apr 14 12:56:32 mbuf, I'm not familiar with procedural GTK, but most same principles apply Apr 14 12:59:27 .com.py ? Apr 14 13:00:15 Python must be popular at your unis Apr 14 13:49:26 X-Fade: Are you there? Apr 14 13:49:48 RST38h: Yep.. Apr 14 13:50:33 X-Fade: I would like to place a few of my applications into extras repository, and people at ITT recommended I talk to you about it Apr 14 13:51:00 RST38h: I can send you an invite for that. What is your username on garage? Apr 14 13:51:34 X-Fade: I only have a maemo.org account for now, it is "fms" Apr 14 13:53:17 RST38h: Yeah, that is the same ;) Apr 14 13:53:55 RST38h: What applications do you want to upload? Apr 14 13:54:11 X-Fade: For now, VGBA (see downloads.maemo.org) Apr 14 13:54:25 X-Fade: Later - fMSX, Speccy, ColEm Apr 14 13:54:37 Woo, emus! Apr 14 13:54:37 RST38h: You should receive an invite shortly. Apr 14 13:54:47 Thanks! Apr 14 13:55:14 RST38h, BTW, thanks for VGBA. It rocks. :) Apr 14 13:56:20 You are welcome :) Apr 14 13:56:32 X-Fade: extras(-devel) takes debs, debs+source or source only? Apr 14 13:58:02 hrw: debs and debs+source works for sure. Not sure about source only. Apr 14 13:59:29 Shit, I have no pgp installed =( Apr 14 14:00:08 Although gpg seems to be there... Apr 14 14:00:30 RST38h: gpg should be enough.. Apr 14 14:02:39 It won't generate me a key pair =( Apr 14 14:02:55 Will SSH key be sufficient? Apr 14 14:03:20 RST38h: No, because you have to sign your packages. Apr 14 14:03:57 Ok, going to find some place with correctly set up gpg Apr 14 14:04:06 RST38h: http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-3.html#ss3.1 Apr 14 14:17:56 X-Fade: That is the exact line I am having problems with Apr 14 14:18:23 One of the gpg dependencies is missing on our system Apr 14 14:18:26 RST38h: Are you doing this on the device? Apr 14 14:20:53 X-Fade: Not really :) Apr 14 14:21:35 RST38h: Good ;) Apr 14 14:30:17 heyla Apr 14 14:30:37 Hi Apr 14 14:30:54 so let's say that hypothetically, I'd reflashed my tablet, installed openssh again, and when I try to sudo su - in the terminal, I keep getting wrong password errors... :) Apr 14 14:31:05 do I have to reflash again, or is there a way to reset the root password? Apr 14 14:31:30 <||cw> denny: sudo gainroot Apr 14 14:31:46 throws some kind of error, as I recall Apr 14 14:31:48 denny: Enable r&d mode and use sudo gainroot.. Apr 14 14:31:54 always did even before I flashed it though Apr 14 14:32:00 denny, grab easyroot from nitapps.com and type root Apr 14 14:37:21 aquatix: you need to bring and internet tablet . not a table to the contest Apr 14 14:37:31 heheh Apr 14 14:37:36 * aquatix brings both ;) Apr 14 14:37:38 and that kb Apr 14 14:37:51 "for sale: internet table" Apr 14 14:38:58 why not also wear some mickey mouse suite so nobody can see what you are up to Apr 14 14:40:05 keesj: heheh, sounds like an ebay bestseller Apr 14 14:40:18 * aquatix prefers skimasks Apr 14 14:40:23 ;) Apr 14 14:40:37 isn't that microsoft's new thing? :P Apr 14 14:41:02 skimasks or internet tables? Apr 14 14:41:06 johnx: okay, that did it - thanks. Do I now have a big security hole, or does that only work from local terminals? Apr 14 14:41:08 The Microsoft Internet Table has a certain ring that "Surface" just doesn't capture... Apr 14 14:41:13 ah :) Apr 14 14:41:29 i've seen better implementations Apr 14 14:41:32 denny, only works from a local terminal Apr 14 14:41:37 for a lot less money Apr 14 14:41:38 great - thanks again Apr 14 14:42:14 anybody want to take a guess at why my tablet keeps unmounting the internal memory card? Apr 14 14:42:25 it was doing it before and after I reformatted it Apr 14 14:42:30 (using the file manager) Apr 14 14:42:50 unmounting or mounting read-only? Apr 14 14:42:51 N800, N810, 770? Apr 14 14:42:56 810, unmounting Apr 14 14:43:14 interesting Apr 14 14:44:06 denny: are you using USB networking? Apr 14 14:44:08 does dmesg say something about it? Apr 14 14:44:30 elb: nope Apr 14 14:44:40 aquatix: didn't think to look *blush* Apr 14 14:44:41 * denny does so Apr 14 14:44:51 I swear, I keep forgetting this thing is a linux box :) Apr 14 14:44:52 you probably realize, but it unmounts it when connected to USB of course, so the host computer can access it Apr 14 14:44:53 even simply mounting the device as a mass storage device might unmount it, actually Apr 14 14:45:11 * denny blinks Apr 14 14:45:14 I didn't realise that Apr 14 14:45:23 * denny thinks Apr 14 14:45:26 makes sense Apr 14 14:45:37 when you disconnect it, it should remount Apr 14 14:48:59 X-Fade: Do you know of a standard workflow for SDK+ users? Apr 14 14:49:26 Or is it the same? Apr 14 14:50:03 RST38h: Make/sign deb, upload? :) Apr 14 14:53:10 I can also submit it as non-free, right? Apr 14 14:53:40 We don't like non-free ;) Apr 14 14:54:22 RST38h: There are no non-free applications in extras at the moment. Apr 14 14:56:00 lol this thing is amusing Apr 14 14:56:27 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/lol-6.jpg Apr 14 14:57:46 ^thats 5-6km away from here Apr 14 14:58:56 I can't tell what's happening in that image Apr 14 14:59:48 i know Apr 14 14:59:57 the point is its 6 km away Apr 14 15:00:01 i need a tripod Apr 14 15:00:13 that's pretty crazy though Apr 14 15:02:28 Cptnodegard: What camera are you using? And what lenses? That is really impressive to me, especially without a tripod Apr 14 15:03:43 canon a650is with a $70 3x zoom multiplier lense from Degital Concepts Apr 14 15:03:50 *digital Apr 14 15:04:03 That...thats it? Apr 14 15:04:06 yes Apr 14 15:04:48 $400 worth of equipment Apr 14 15:05:00 wonder how much paparazzis get paid Apr 14 15:05:09 Cptnodegard: oh, right. Yes, that is impressive :) Apr 14 15:05:56 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00198.jpg <- equipment used Apr 14 15:06:07 beware cell phone pic Apr 14 15:06:19 ahaha...that is a serious lens Apr 14 15:07:50 heh, 18x zoom? Apr 14 15:07:51 nice Apr 14 15:08:06 * aquatix should get that lense for his gf's compact Apr 14 15:08:14 He says its a $70 3x zoom...So not that serious. And I guess canons image stabilization stuff really works for 6km to have minimal blur. And frankly it looks out of focus not motion blurred Apr 14 15:08:16 that canon does 10x, times 3... yum :) Apr 14 15:08:34 TheFool: 3x extra zoom on top of the 6x zoom his camera does Apr 14 15:08:52 * aquatix needs a nice lense for his dSLR Apr 14 15:09:18 cam does 6. the lense triples that Apr 14 15:09:24 so 630mm Apr 14 15:15:30 http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/630mm/ Apr 14 15:15:33 some real comparisons Apr 14 15:17:01 I always thought it was Captain Nodegard Apr 14 15:17:24 Heh, me too.. Apr 14 15:18:30 no... Apr 14 15:18:34 lol Apr 14 15:18:36 everyone does Apr 14 15:18:45 cpt'n odegard Apr 14 15:32:53 Question, How do I repack a deb file that's in it's compiled deb form if I don't have the original debian folder for it? I'm trying to modify the mmc-unionfs deb. Apr 14 15:35:06 just use ar -x to unpack and I believe something like ar -q to repack Apr 14 15:35:33 Ok, thanks. Does the md5sums file need regenerating or does ar handle that? Apr 14 15:35:44 ar won't handle that Apr 14 15:36:02 also, when using ar, be sure that debian-binary is the first file on the command line Apr 14 15:36:18 Ok, thanks. Apr 14 15:36:19 but check in the md5sum to see what files it lists Apr 14 15:36:27 you might not even edit a file that is listed Apr 14 15:37:04 Just out of question, does dpkg refuse to install a file if the md5sums don't match? Apr 14 15:37:16 dunno, never tried Apr 14 15:37:26 ok, same here. I guess I'll find out. Apr 14 15:37:31 heh Apr 14 15:38:49 :) Hehe, I want to make trying out union-fs easier. I built it for OS2008 but as the original deb is for a 770/OS2006, I want to make it easier for an OS2008 device. Thanks. Apr 14 15:39:11 sure, I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with :) Apr 14 15:40:40 I've posted my work already :), just got to make setting it up easier. The 2 fails for me is that I cannot extend /home/user (the system segfaults) and extending on boot will not work due to the mmc not being available. I'm not sure if I can fix the segfault but I'm looking into fixing the bootup problem. Apr 14 15:41:18 yeah, saw the post Apr 14 15:41:27 I wonder when the cards become available Apr 14 15:42:27 I think scripts may be executed on card mount, if so, maybe you could check for a file like .card-has-unionfs and if so do something to setup unionfs Apr 14 15:42:47 I'm not sure, I saw mmc-mount.sh being listed in one of the init scripts but looking in that just mounts a vfat partition. As unionfs needs ext2, it doesn't help me. Apr 14 15:42:54 Probably, thanks for the idea :) Apr 14 15:43:06 sure Apr 14 15:43:46 I've had it automount my ext3 card before I'm pretty sure though (much to my regret, as metalayer crawler took one look and went insane) Apr 14 15:44:49 heh Apr 14 15:45:22 "OMG! symlinks!" *starts twitching* Apr 14 15:45:34 lol Apr 14 15:45:44 ^dramatic re-enactment^ Apr 14 15:49:11 hi ! Apr 14 15:49:19 hi Apr 14 15:49:59 is there a maemo repository maintainer here ? Apr 14 15:50:11 wow...awesome...my kernel panic'ed inside qemu O_o Apr 14 15:50:18 Khertan_n810: What's up? Apr 14 15:50:36 hi x-fade Apr 14 15:50:58 i ve uploaded last week some packages in extras devel Apr 14 15:51:09 but since i ven t any news Apr 14 15:51:31 Khertan_n810: I already told you in 2 separate emails that the changes and .dsc files were incorrect. Apr 14 15:51:42 does there havent be verified since ? or does there is error with Apr 14 15:51:44 Until you fix them, nothing will happen. Apr 14 15:51:55 xfade i ve made change since Apr 14 15:52:11 and reupload them Apr 14 15:52:17 is there still error ? Apr 14 15:52:34 ps i ve upload it directly with scp Apr 14 15:53:15 when i compare it to the example i see no differences ... Apr 14 15:53:22 Khertan_n810: Then I can't easily see what happened. Probably they were not signed correctly? Apr 14 15:53:35 (maybe i need to change my glasses :) ) Apr 14 15:54:27 can i upload it like the last time ? (not with scp ?) Apr 14 15:55:04 but src packages don t contains rules so automake wont work Apr 14 15:55:42 i ve tryed to reproduce what dput do Apr 14 15:55:44 Khertan_n810: What package did you upload? Apr 14 15:55:54 hola Apr 14 15:55:58 homeip, homefreedisk Apr 14 15:56:02 home* Apr 14 15:56:06 :) Apr 14 15:57:40 Khertan_n810: I see them in the incoming dir. Let me see what is wrong. Apr 14 15:57:55 (connection may drop i m in the train) Apr 14 15:58:08 hi lopz Apr 14 15:58:20 Khertan_n810: There is still an extra linefeed between Files: and the md5sum lines.. Apr 14 15:58:32 arg ... Apr 14 15:59:22 Khertan_n810: But worse. Your .dsc files aren't signed! Apr 14 15:59:44 ? Apr 14 15:59:44 Khertan_n810: So that is a reason to block them for sure. Apr 14 16:00:12 Khertan_n810: homeip-0.0.4.dsc is not PGP signed. Apr 14 16:00:12 the first version that i ve send don t have sign in desc Apr 14 16:00:23 but the last one i send should have Apr 14 16:00:50 does scp erase the old file by the nex one ? Apr 14 16:01:00 Khertan_n810: yes Apr 14 16:01:12 Khertan_n810: Ah you uploaded a 0.0.5 one too. Apr 14 16:01:56 (i m sorry i know i m borrint) Apr 14 16:01:56 (borring) Apr 14 16:02:40 Khertan_n810: Hmm the 0.0.5 versions look ok to me. I'll try to find out what is wrong with them. Apr 14 16:05:29 Khertan_n810: The actual .deb file isn't listed in your .dsc file? Apr 14 16:06:57 Ehm, no it shouldn't be in there. Apr 14 16:10:00 yes :) Apr 14 16:11:15 Hmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline.. Apr 14 16:11:48 He said he may drop when he's in the train, just tell him if he comes back :) Apr 14 16:12:17 qwerty12: Yeah, but I have to go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;) Apr 14 16:12:28 IRC on the train. This means we're in the future, right? Apr 14 16:12:29 s/to/too/ Apr 14 16:12:30 X-Fade meant: qwerty12: Yeah, but I have too go now to. So I hope this channel can keep him informed ;) Apr 14 16:12:48 Hehe, I'll try, but someone will probably beat me to it :) Apr 14 16:12:52 heh, ok wrong to/too ;) Apr 14 16:14:30 anyone try interfacing their tablet with an arduino? I am thinking of trying via bluetooth, but I am not sure how low level I can get on the tablet side Apr 14 16:15:57 As low as you want. It really is running Linux after all. :) A USB-to-serial or bluetooth-to-serial adapter would be the first thing I would research (but I haven't actually used either...) Apr 14 16:16:32 But I need to catch some sleep. Long day tomorrow O_o Apr 14 16:16:35 * johnx sleeps Apr 14 16:26:17 re Apr 14 16:26:38 Khertan_n810_, Hmm, I just found out that his .changes file has an incorrect md5 sum for his .dsc ;) And now he is offline. Apr 14 16:26:44 X-Fade's words. Apr 14 16:27:07 Although I still X-Fade is still around :P Apr 14 16:27:15 it s not easy to rejoin irc with telepathy when connection drop Apr 14 16:27:23 thx qwerty12 Apr 14 16:27:26 ! Apr 14 16:27:53 x-fade > are u still here ? Apr 14 16:29:12 i ve one last question ... Apr 14 16:29:27 maybe someone else know Apr 14 16:30:05 does changes contains the md5 of dsc file before the sign or after ? Apr 14 16:31:24 x-fade > sorry i was disconnect because i m in a train :) Apr 14 16:32:22 I still can't sudo on this tablet Apr 14 16:32:32 denny, How do you mean? Apr 14 16:32:46 Run a command with sudo prefixed in front? Apr 14 16:32:47 I can use the easyroot root command to become root and change the password, then drop out of root again, and sudo with the new password fails with a 'wrong password' error Apr 14 16:32:58 denny, there's a way of fixing that. brb Apr 14 16:33:40 took a tripod shot: http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/630mm/3-630mm.JPG Apr 14 16:35:49 3d picture? :).. or the tripod is walking Apr 14 16:36:09 Sorry, kernel panic. Apr 14 16:36:17 denny, did you get an answer by anyone else? Apr 14 16:36:30 denny, sudo doesn't ask for root password Apr 14 16:36:42 inz: ... d'oh. Apr 14 16:36:49 denny, su does Apr 14 16:36:50 You can make it work but sudo won't ask for password. Apr 14 16:37:57 Put user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers and sudo will work. It will not ask for password however if security is your thing. Apr 14 16:44:57 Question, when the usb cable is inserted and removed, which scripts are run? Apr 14 16:46:54 * denny wonders why there's no xmms for the tablet Apr 14 16:47:18 denny, There is. Apr 14 16:47:29 I use it for sketchy a2dp support. Apr 14 16:47:30 I just want a media player that I can point at a directory tree (not my entire hard drive, my navi voice clips are not music) and have it play all the music in there (mp3 and ogg) Apr 14 16:48:00 Start off with this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 Apr 14 16:48:14 Look towards the last pages for KotCzarny's build. Apr 14 16:49:57 wow, that's neat Apr 14 16:50:03 didnt know there was an xmms port Apr 14 16:53:03 * denny tries to drag a link from his PC screens to his tablet Apr 14 16:53:08 d'oh. Apr 14 16:53:10 j / #bluetooth Apr 14 16:53:48 oops Apr 14 16:54:49 i hat that denny im always looking for hyperlinks when i read a paper book Apr 14 16:55:05 I occasionally click on printed out hrefs, y eah Apr 14 16:55:15 poke the paper with your finger a couple of times before you realise what you're doing Apr 14 16:55:22 lol Apr 14 16:55:22 then hope nobody else noticed :) Apr 14 16:55:33 right, nearly time to go flying Apr 14 16:55:40 thanks for all the help today people :) Apr 14 17:00:19 Hi again Apr 14 17:04:33 hello, anyone can suggest me a method in order to connect at a peap/ttls + *wep* network? I'm using os2008 on a N800. Apr 14 17:06:42 do people really think american cellular operators are that bad? Apr 14 17:07:10 fabv: personally, i think that's the kind of thing that google should be able to answer Apr 14 17:07:17 if it can't find the answer, it probably isn't possible Apr 14 17:07:56 i think french one is even worse ! Apr 14 17:08:05 timeless, eh thank you, but I've tried different times searching with Google Apr 14 17:23:04 \:D/ w000t i are going to linuxtag Apr 14 17:26:09 good for yous Apr 14 17:26:19 is it possible to have one target in scratchbox for building software with eg. chinook and one to build software for another maemo release? Apr 14 17:27:12 herz2, sure it is Apr 14 17:27:23 timeless try lexxe.com but ask a question Apr 14 17:37:10 lcuk: Good news. The whole group should plan an informal get together in Berlin somewhere ;) Apr 14 17:37:44 indeed we should, I was just putting together an email to quim, do you know how we go about arranging flights/hotels etc. Apr 14 17:37:44 lcuk, Apr 14 17:37:47 yes Apr 14 17:37:49 sweet, report back to us during it :D Apr 14 17:38:20 i aim to have my 810 ready for live blogging (and unlive as well if there isnt a connection) Apr 14 17:38:56 lcuk: I have asked Quim the same thing today :) Apr 14 17:39:16 yer, i think he has been asked the same thing by everyone. Apr 14 17:39:27 heh Apr 14 17:39:32 Yep ;) Apr 14 17:39:45 is this your first corporate junket? (BOFH meaning, not the waste of time) Apr 14 17:39:52 He had to discuss it internally. Apr 14 17:39:59 hi inz, how's life? Apr 14 17:40:18 timeless, same old, same old Apr 14 17:40:29 lcuk: No, Nokia has flown me to Helsinki before. But this is the first time I have to speak ;) Apr 14 17:40:49 timeless, work, chores, work, chores, work, sleep Apr 14 17:40:56 nice, did they arrange flights that time, or was it just you and then paid back after? Apr 14 17:41:47 currency of choice: N810s and PowerVR drivers ;) Apr 14 17:41:49 x-fade: so are you in hel today? Apr 14 17:41:52 lcuk: Flights and hotel were arranged. But that was just for that meeting. So I don't now how they will do it now.. Apr 14 17:42:07 timeless: No, was there in the week of 11 feb. Apr 14 17:42:20 timeless: I had a desk in Marcell's office.. Apr 14 17:49:27 I'll see if/how we can plan an informal get together somewere in Berlin. Apr 14 17:52:09 how can i find the mac address on my n810? Apr 14 17:52:53 lirakis_work: control panel -> device -> about Apr 14 17:53:30 thanks! Apr 14 17:56:34 kulve: ping Apr 14 17:56:43 etrunko: pong Apr 14 17:57:06 hi kulve, have you seen my last email? Apr 14 17:57:25 I think so. Unless you have sent something I haven't seen :) Apr 14 17:57:56 you mean the 11.4. arrived mail? Apr 14 17:58:01 uhh this is the first time i turned on my n810 Apr 14 17:58:06 where is the control panel? Apr 14 17:58:25 oh nm Apr 14 17:58:26 lirakis_work: menu -> Settings -> Control Panel Apr 14 17:58:26 found it Apr 14 17:58:41 kulve: the one where i explain why things won't work if you mix libogg with tremor Apr 14 17:58:47 yup Apr 14 17:59:08 hello all Apr 14 17:59:35 question, and app with these requirements is possible to bring over to the IT/// Apr 14 17:59:39 kulve: right then. i'll send you the patch as soon as it is ready Apr 14 17:59:44 Requirements: Apr 14 17:59:45 * Python 2.4 Apr 14 17:59:47 * PyGTK 2.8 or greater, compiled with Numeric Apr 14 17:59:49 * gnome-python Apr 14 17:59:51 * PyXML Apr 14 18:00:00 etrunko: what the patch is about..? Apr 14 18:00:19 kulve: export the ogg_ symbols? Apr 14 18:00:43 etrunko: nothing more? I.e. just add those to that Versio_script.in or whatever it was? Apr 14 18:01:39 kulve: yup.. there is also that dummy package to install lightmediascanner-ogg plugin Apr 14 18:02:12 etrunko: dummy as in meta package? Apr 14 18:02:20 kulve: exactly Apr 14 18:02:28 kulve: btw, you should specify the versions of the packages to be installed in the debian/control file of ogg-support Apr 14 18:02:47 it is installing some -mogg packages Apr 14 18:03:13 oh Apr 14 18:03:43 ogg-support package depends on exact versions on most of the dependencies Apr 14 18:04:03 no, actually most are >= Apr 14 18:04:18 kulve: yup Apr 14 18:05:05 etrunko: do you remember which one is -mogg? Apr 14 18:05:23 kulve: just a min Apr 14 18:08:48 libvorbisidec1 is one at least Apr 14 18:09:44 libogg0 is probably the other one.. Apr 14 18:09:56 Maintainer: Debian Xiph.org Maintainers Apr 14 18:11:29 kulve: you got it Apr 14 18:11:38 :P Apr 14 18:12:21 I wonder if those are different from my packages in anyway.. Apr 14 18:20:19 X-Fade, which days are you planning on being there? Apr 14 18:21:04 lcuk: Not sure yet. For me the easiest thing would be arrive on Wednesday and leave on Friday. Apr 14 18:21:30 djcb: ping? Apr 14 18:22:20 im hoping to do as long as possible. there is a lot to see and not much time. there to participate, but also hopefully to learn as well :) Apr 14 18:22:43 lcuk: Yeah, I think it is going to be fun :) Apr 14 18:22:54 X-Fade: pong Apr 14 18:22:58 I hope they put up the schedule soon. Apr 14 18:23:14 so do i, have you got any other linux devices/systems than this little one? Apr 14 18:23:23 djcb: Did you know that the latest update for Modest killed gmail support? Apr 14 18:23:27 yer ive been burning out my f5 button ;) Apr 14 18:23:52 djcb: Or imaps all together. Apr 14 18:23:59 X-Fade: i heard some rumours.... we're working on it Apr 14 18:24:15 djcb: Ok, just made sure you guys knew about it ;) Apr 14 18:24:25 but thanks for reminding me... Apr 14 18:25:17 Sometimes bugzilla seems to be a black hole. Didn't want that to happen here. I now have to do webmail :) Apr 14 18:25:21 re Apr 14 18:27:08 X-Fade: it should be fixed in a few days Apr 14 18:35:07 Hmm. /dev/mmc2 seems to have decided that it's read-only for some reason. Apr 14 18:37:10 * /media/mmc2, that is. Backup and re-mkfs dance coming right up. Apr 14 18:38:36 kulve: sent you the patch Apr 14 18:39:08 and it is wrong Apr 14 18:39:11 :P Apr 14 18:39:18 i'm using spaces instead of tabs Apr 14 18:40:01 wish there was an higscore with some of the games likes blocks, battle gweled and crazy parking. Apr 14 18:41:47 etrunko: I can copy those manually. Thanks Apr 14 18:42:10 kulve: thanks Apr 14 18:44:16 etrunko: so you have now a version of lightmediascanner that uses tremor instead of the libvorbi0a? Apr 14 18:44:41 kulve: yup Apr 14 18:45:03 i'm polishing the lms patch right now Apr 14 18:45:42 ok. I try to find time to release a new version of ogg-support and the libivorbisdec ASAP (this week) Apr 14 18:47:07 so, after these changes the canola should play oggs ok after the user installs ogg-support and your meta package (and all their dependencies)? Apr 14 19:25:24 re Apr 14 19:28:30 Jaffa: wb Apr 14 19:31:31 oh yeah.. pidgin.. ssh client .. are on Apr 14 19:31:50 i think mplayer will nicely round out my n810 :D Apr 14 19:48:35 Hey guys Apr 14 19:48:39 I was thinking 'bout something Apr 14 19:49:41 You know, there are a few apps/services that allow to identify any song just by recording the tune for 10 seconds Apr 14 19:49:59 I was thinking how hard it would be to write an app for maemo for one of those services ^^ Apr 14 19:54:09 have a look if there are any already available for linux. most of the hard work may have been sorted out already Apr 14 19:54:43 Looks like I'm going to have to pass on LinuxTag :-( Apr 14 19:54:52 oh no :( why Apr 14 19:55:49 Logistics of getting from home or work, to Berlin and back to York in time for family commitments are on the wrong side of doable Apr 14 19:56:07 the detectors are junk Apr 14 19:56:39 lcuk: I have studies, exams, thus can't go ;( Apr 14 19:57:01 you could ask if nokia have any delorians and flux capacitors in the r&d section Apr 14 19:57:30 lcuk: "Nokia do not discuss future (or past) products" Apr 14 19:57:39 lol Apr 14 19:59:46 its a shame jaffa, put your exams off and have some fun ;) Apr 14 20:00:31 lcuk: they do Apr 14 20:00:43 they even have morphing phones Apr 14 20:01:26 arghh, they have morphing users as well - i hate this colored irc - you and jaffa have same color and are talking similar things Apr 14 20:01:33 where you meant to be going as well storm? Apr 14 20:04:42 LINUXTag Apr 14 20:05:10 yes, were you listed as a speaker or just meant to be going to throw tomatoes at us? Apr 14 20:09:27 the latter, but with eggs Apr 14 20:09:59 and raw chikkens Apr 14 20:10:55 lcuk, are you a speaker? Apr 14 20:11:14 Bring a camera Apr 14 20:11:20 record all the maemo-specific stuff :D Apr 14 20:12:50 omg there's a headless one that includes lands Apr 14 20:12:53 whoops Apr 14 20:12:59 wrong window :P Apr 14 20:13:20 and misspelld. batting 1000 today Apr 14 20:13:51 lcuk, the problem is that most of those services are pay-per-use Apr 14 20:14:29 lcuk, though, I've found one Apr 14 20:16:30 navi, yes i am and i will be attempting to liveblog or something with my 810 Apr 14 20:16:51 crashanddie, which payperuse? Apr 14 20:22:01 re Apr 14 20:22:31 * Jaffa offs. G'night. Apr 14 20:30:13 * KotCzarny has got a book Apr 14 20:30:22 tume for sime proper education Apr 14 20:30:28 time Apr 14 20:30:31 <||cw> some Apr 14 20:30:34 * Jaffa just can't stay away. Apr 14 20:30:47 <||cw> edumacations Apr 14 20:30:51 Reading the litl.com jobs page sure makes it sound interesting (from p.m.o) Apr 14 20:34:39 hey jaffa, welcome back ;) Apr 14 20:34:50 KotCzarny, good evening Apr 14 20:35:13 hi lcuk Apr 14 20:35:31 what you expanding your mind with? Apr 14 20:36:05 'c - a software engineering approach' Apr 14 20:36:19 sounds good :) c is a great language Apr 14 20:36:20 i went to salvation army store while aiting for the bus Apr 14 20:36:24 ;) Apr 14 20:36:26 *waiting Apr 14 20:37:03 i hope theres no pages missing Apr 14 20:37:14 mhm Apr 14 20:37:17 good condition Apr 14 20:37:48 well its all good then - since its a c book i assume it starts from page 0 Apr 14 20:38:11 (i know if i wrote one i would do that) Apr 14 20:38:15 well Apr 14 20:38:17 it would play hell with the printers Apr 14 20:38:31 first digit is '2' Apr 14 20:38:43 and there are some roman numbers earlier Apr 14 20:39:03 (and as we know romans didn't have 0s) Apr 14 20:39:04 :) Apr 14 20:40:19 roman numerals were meant to be binary. once they got past 3 though the monks misread it Apr 14 20:40:31 'I' and ' ' Apr 14 20:41:19 how about 'V' ? Apr 14 20:41:46 lcuk, most services (that's to say, audio digital print comparison) don't allow non-commercial clients Apr 14 20:41:48 i prefer 'Emacs' Apr 14 20:42:04 ahhh right, sorry head in about a million pies Apr 14 20:42:08 and no real scrollback Apr 14 20:42:40 lcuk, I was talking about writing a piece of software for the n810 that would record the sound of any song, on the radio, or wherever, and identify it Apr 14 20:42:51 Where are flash drives automounted to? Apr 14 20:43:18 recording is easy, identifying can be tricky :> Apr 14 20:43:21 lcuk, to back such a program, there are a few services that offer such API (comparing the digital soundprint of a song), but almost none of those services are free/allow non-commercial usage Apr 14 20:43:45 KotCzarny, that's why I'm looking for a service provider that allows non-commercial clients Apr 14 20:43:47 and I just found one Apr 14 20:44:10 but they don't offer an open source API, I'm guessing it'll be closed source libraries to link against, but that'll be all... Apr 14 20:44:22 dunno navi Apr 14 20:44:40 They offer those libraries for "Windows, Mac and Linux", but I'm guessing the API they'll offer will come for x86 arches, and nothing else Apr 14 20:45:08 so I'm going to try to convince them to give me an NDA to sign, and compile it for them for the armel arch Apr 14 20:45:09 depending upon who you ask you may be able to get a maemo build Apr 14 20:45:25 if they have a linux build already it means they know and understand it Apr 14 20:45:34 yeah, probably Apr 14 20:45:41 Web service on an x86 server? Apr 14 20:45:47 if you are that desperate :) Apr 14 20:45:52 was just thinking same jaffa Apr 14 20:45:57 I just tried to convey, in my email, that I was motivated and wanted to help them out Apr 14 20:46:22 Jaffa & lcuk: the API is in x86 for clients, I don't know what hardware the server runs Apr 14 20:46:34 though, that's a guess, they haven't contacted me yet Apr 14 20:46:43 "i crashanddie promise to develop for you for half the money your current linux guys are paid and i will even give you my 4 digit slashdot uid" Apr 14 20:46:57 lolz :) Apr 14 20:47:45 x86 client software running in windows or linux. this machine has a web interface for accepting song clips via n810 (or anywhere else) which then asks the service using the proper x86 client and returns the results to your 810 Apr 14 20:48:13 lcuk, that's a lot of overhead Apr 14 20:48:57 lcuk, plus, I'm not going to be the one giving away all the bandwith of my server just so that you guys could send all your oversampled 15sec long porn samples Apr 14 20:49:19 "Heh, it didn't recognize Jenna Jameson" Apr 14 20:49:39 sad, Jenna Jameson is a known word in my spell-checker Apr 14 20:50:59 porn samples? i thought this was music: no service in the world could differentiate the cummings of a porn actress Apr 14 20:51:20 or maybe they could, it sometimes helps with identification, especially movies with a strange angle Apr 14 20:51:50 lcuk, it will be for music, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the geek community is going to try it at least once Apr 14 20:52:05 lcuk, you gotta admit, a web interface for such a client would be useless overhead Apr 14 20:53:55 Nott if you've got no other client/option Apr 14 20:54:15 I will :) Apr 14 20:54:46 I don't see why they would refuse the free ads and wordspread Apr 14 20:54:55 Presumably fairly low bitrate for the snippet would work. Designed for over GSM, after all Apr 14 20:54:56 if their service works well, I don't see why they'd refuse Apr 14 20:54:58 true Apr 14 20:57:01 anyway, I'll keep you guys posted about the answer to my email Apr 14 20:57:07 would you guys be interested in such an app ? Apr 14 20:57:17 hmm Apr 14 20:57:24 google will be for sure Apr 14 20:57:24 :) Apr 14 20:57:31 lol Apr 14 20:57:34 this is nothing fancy Apr 14 20:57:43 merely a copy of one of the expensive things in the ipod Apr 14 20:57:54 'moan to your mic then click feeling lucky' Apr 14 20:57:55 ;) Apr 14 20:58:04 hehehe Apr 14 20:58:05 'your moan returned 12309482 results' Apr 14 20:59:29 Cluster 2 (996513) is unreadable. Skipping it. :( Apr 14 21:02:50 how come its not ext2/3 by default? Apr 14 21:02:53 ooc Apr 14 21:03:15 because internal flash in 770/800 is raw flash Apr 14 21:03:25 ie. mtdblock Apr 14 21:03:36 and using ext2/3 on it would kill it. fast. Apr 14 21:03:54 but you can always clone os to mmc Apr 14 21:08:11 cool, official Qt support Apr 14 21:11:34 Perhaps Apr 14 21:12:31 Mousey: if it was ext2/3 by default, Windows couldn't read it over USB Apr 14 21:13:22 what? Apr 14 21:13:23 oh Apr 14 21:13:24 windows Apr 14 21:13:54 2008 marks the 10th year i haven't used windows. Apr 14 21:13:54 why would ext2/3 kill it fast? Apr 14 21:13:59 ...not that you care Apr 14 21:14:12 tank man: because mtd doesn't do wear leveling on it's own Apr 14 21:14:20 as it's the case with sd Apr 14 21:14:48 because of journaling it would die faster? Apr 14 21:15:06 that i can imagine, but ext2 seems pretty benign Apr 14 21:15:11 key word: wear leveling Apr 14 21:15:19 mtdblock == no w.l. Apr 14 21:15:27 * Mousey == ignorant Apr 14 21:15:31 mmcblock == w.l. on Apr 14 21:15:53 so writing a sector 1000000 times on mtd means sure kill Apr 14 21:16:03 while on sd it may be 1 write Apr 14 21:16:13 (per 1000000 sectors) Apr 14 21:16:15 or even less Apr 14 21:16:24 i thought WL was down to the memory chip itself? Apr 14 21:16:39 i'm still confused, why would ext2 write more often than fat? Apr 14 21:16:40 ie totally transparent to the host ui/os Apr 14 21:17:04 mousey: disregard what i have said Apr 14 21:17:13 i thought you asked about rootfs Apr 14 21:17:20 oooh, yah.. no Apr 14 21:17:22 not about user data Apr 14 21:18:12 i really just meant the mmcblk* Apr 14 21:18:45 then jaffa's comment is valid Apr 14 21:18:47 but the windows compatibility seems like the best excuse.. donno why people don't just install ext2 for windows.. Apr 14 21:19:04 mousey: why should they? Apr 14 21:19:17 KotCzarny: yea, can't think of a good reason, nm =) Apr 14 21:19:19 assuming they are not geeks with dualboot Apr 14 21:19:29 the internal flash on the 770/800 isn't NAND? Apr 14 21:19:48 yes it is Apr 14 21:19:53 onenand even Apr 14 21:19:56 from samsung Apr 14 21:21:06 you should be able to write it a zillion times, then Apr 14 21:21:15 i'm probably half way to killing mine Apr 14 21:22:12 * Jaffa is glad it's not ext by default: means I can plug it into a random Win box without worrying about ext drivers Apr 14 21:22:44 Even tho' I use Linux exclusively at home Apr 14 21:23:16 * achadwick had a few read errors in his backups and testing. Hopefully that's purely filesystem-related: my n810 has been crashing a lot recently; been trying to use the camera Apr 14 21:23:55 * Mousey doesn't use windows ever Apr 14 21:24:20 jaffa: how about 16mb vfat partition with ext2-ifs installer? Apr 14 21:24:26 * lcuk wonders what Mousey does when it gets to warm in his house Apr 14 21:24:27 :) Apr 14 21:24:41 it's simple, he has no ceiling Apr 14 21:24:42 lcuk: i open doors =P Apr 14 21:24:44 no bounds! Apr 14 21:24:55 and no walls too Apr 14 21:24:56 :) Apr 14 21:25:01 Mousey: and no-one you visit uses it and has stuff you might want to copy on/off you tablet? If sso, you're very lucky Apr 14 21:25:23 Jaffa: it's more common than you might think Apr 14 21:25:24 I don't generally associate with windows users, myself Apr 14 21:25:41 windows users use wm6 anyway Apr 14 21:25:44 KotCzarny: not very practical on locked down machines, say at an Internet cafe Apr 14 21:25:47 for mobile uses Apr 14 21:25:53 when flash drives first started coming out - everyone had the driver problem - its only just (last couple of years) gotten quite ok and most computers can read the mem sticks Apr 14 21:26:06 jaffa: true, then make it 1gb Apr 14 21:26:16 for quick data from netcafes Apr 14 21:26:17 :) Apr 14 21:26:32 and rest in ext3 Apr 14 21:26:39 just keep it at whole size fat and save all the hassle Apr 14 21:26:41 or use explore2fs :p, standalone prog Apr 14 21:26:43 * Jaffa doesn't have a problem with it being flash Apr 14 21:26:47 * lcuk takes the path of least resistence Apr 14 21:26:53 s/flash/vfat/ Apr 14 21:27:03 lcuk: agreed Apr 14 21:27:33 * KotCzarny has 3gig vfat/1gig ext3 (cloned 2008) Apr 14 21:29:34 My flash cards are jffs2 Apr 14 21:30:13 My flash cards are the saviour of the universe Apr 14 21:30:32 Saving every one of us? Apr 14 21:31:07 every five minutes to avoid data loss :-P Apr 14 21:31:21 I ain't need no saving Apr 14 21:31:25 bit by bit Apr 14 21:36:12 derf: especially with only 14 hours to save the earth Apr 14 21:39:33 * derf cranks up the Queen. Apr 14 21:39:52 * KotCzarny rocks derf Apr 14 21:40:44 http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.04.14/fnp4.jpg Apr 14 21:40:47 fruit fun Apr 14 21:41:13 well, more like vegetables fun Apr 14 21:42:46 X-Fade: Still here? Apr 14 21:53:21 frankly i'd rather format 8gb with ext2 than with fat Apr 14 21:53:28 is it even vfat? Apr 14 21:56:44 i guess it has to be, long filenames and all Apr 14 21:57:57 right, disconnect time. doctor who awaits. Apr 14 22:10:54 lcuk, no shit ? Doctor who tonight ? Apr 14 22:11:37 it was saturday night, but i missed it and need to watch now Apr 14 22:11:53 its been calling me since earlier but ive been having a wicked idea for linux tag Apr 14 22:12:02 oh shit Apr 14 22:12:07 I didn't know they started airing again Apr 14 22:12:13 me jumps to his torrent tracker Apr 14 22:12:29 do that for one of them Apr 14 22:12:39 but after that go and watch via bbc iplayer Apr 14 22:13:06 lcuk, I don't have access to bbc iplayer Apr 14 22:13:11 if we show the isps that legal free means work we can get the ip police off our backs for just watching tv Apr 14 22:13:19 are you in the uk? Apr 14 22:13:21 lcuk, not in the UK (yet) Apr 14 22:13:37 damn Apr 14 22:13:50 its flash based and expects a UK ip address Apr 14 22:13:52 well, in August I will be able to use iPlayer ;) Apr 14 22:13:54 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ Apr 14 22:13:57 yeah I know Apr 14 22:14:01 (for others who dont know) Apr 14 22:14:07 I've been trying to hack it for a shitload of time Apr 14 22:14:11 for torchwood and everything Apr 14 22:14:15 meh, i just get eastenders torrents and watch on n800 when i miss them Apr 14 22:14:38 but even using a socks proxy in the UK it somehow manages to spot me... so I dunno Apr 14 22:14:54 anyone ever pair a N810 to a bt keyboard? Apr 14 22:14:55 my missus is so thankful for iplayer - we could never find any casualty torrents Apr 14 22:15:01 sbk Apr 14 22:15:07 yes i have an apple bt keyboard here now Apr 14 22:15:18 I was trying to pair my Logitech Dinovo EDGE to my N810 Apr 14 22:15:23 and I wasn't able to Apr 14 22:15:30 when it asked for the code to be punched in Apr 14 22:15:31 what happened? Apr 14 22:15:33 I did.,, Apr 14 22:15:39 and it "failed to pair" Apr 14 22:15:55 did you press enter... or whatever you are meant to do on the kb at pairing stage Apr 14 22:16:02 yeah Apr 14 22:16:13 it's a character training Apr 14 22:16:15 which keypad did you try Apr 14 22:16:21 fighting with so many fails Apr 14 22:16:22 there is only 1 on the EDGE Apr 14 22:16:23 :) Apr 14 22:16:23 nums or above qwer Apr 14 22:16:27 fair enough Apr 14 22:16:42 I know right KotCzarny Apr 14 22:17:48 any ideas how I can make my SD card get automounted on boot as rw,noatime (ext2)? I can create a startup script to mount, but it still aways gets automounts just rw. Apr 14 22:17:55 sbk, you will have to follow the advice i saw for bt devices. connections may fail due to proximity of the device. move the peripheral closer or further away and try again Apr 14 22:18:12 heh, i'll try that later Apr 14 22:18:28 sbk, reboot n810, take out batteries, move outside, start n810 back up, wait for the n810 to be fully loaded and BT running, put batteries in KB, try to pair again Apr 14 22:18:35 all i know is that it is possible and went smoothly on mine Apr 14 22:18:38 the auto-mounter appears to ignore fstab :( Apr 14 22:18:46 Spakman, yeah, it does Apr 14 22:18:52 i'll try to pair it again when I get home Apr 14 22:19:04 you can't take the batteries out of this dinovo edge Apr 14 22:19:18 why not? Apr 14 22:19:32 design flaw? Apr 14 22:19:33 lol Apr 14 22:19:34 sbk, if that doesn't work, use tinfoil on your head so the aliens can't mess with your internal BT receptor, they might be trying some new cancer prone frequencies on you and your families, and that might just be blocking your KB Apr 14 22:19:51 crashanddie: do you know if there's a way to configure it? Apr 14 22:19:52 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/394/192&cl=us,en Apr 14 22:20:04 ahh, thats what I figured crashanddie Apr 14 22:20:09 Spakman_: edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh Apr 14 22:20:13 sbk, its from the apple design school Apr 14 22:20:24 although, this bt keyboard is amazing, it takes aa batteries Apr 14 22:20:32 elite Apr 14 22:20:37 wow wtf ? Apr 14 22:20:49 why the hell do you take such a KB for a portable device ? Apr 14 22:20:58 WOW, I'M NOT! Apr 14 22:21:06 I'm using it in my office to input contacts Apr 14 22:21:17 oh, right Apr 14 22:21:32 crashanddie, the 810 has a mobile use keyboard, perhaps he wants this one to use at home because its a shitload more comfortable ;) Apr 14 22:21:41 yeah Apr 14 22:21:41 exactly Apr 14 22:21:44 or for that reason ^ Apr 14 22:21:46 pH5: wicked, thanks a lot :) Apr 14 22:21:53 :> Apr 14 22:22:02 pH5, Does that script get called on usb disconnect? I'm working on mmy unionfs port and that would be useful to know. Apr 14 22:22:14 heh Apr 14 22:22:16 lcuk, if I take a BT KB, it'll be mainly because when on the road, it's just easier to use the NIT with a KB, like the stowaway Apr 14 22:22:28 for comfortability i prefer ibm X3{0,1,2} Apr 14 22:22:29 :) Apr 14 22:22:34 for devices without a keyboard i would agree Apr 14 22:22:47 but i want a big format keyboard to use at home which is why ive got the apple one here Apr 14 22:23:02 KotCzarny, one of those bt identifiers was my keyboard ;) Apr 14 22:23:37 :) Apr 14 22:23:52 there was only one mac Apr 14 22:23:53 :) Apr 14 22:23:54 qwerty12_N800: yes Apr 14 22:24:06 pH5, Thanks Apr 14 22:24:31 food time Apr 14 22:34:28 doctor who calls >>>>>>>>>>> back maybe later Apr 14 22:34:41 have fun Apr 14 22:34:43 :) Apr 14 22:37:15 Does anyone know at boot time (really early, i'm talking before S1* scripts) if /dev/mmcblk devices are available? Apr 14 22:42:22 is there a channel specific for modest? Apr 14 22:45:37 is anyone else having problems connecting to gmail via imap using the latest version of modest? Apr 14 22:47:14 nwidger_, it's a known bug Apr 14 22:54:05 sweet, nokia finally goes towards qt on maemo. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/ctia_and_qt.html Apr 14 22:55:01 hello Nokia nerds! Apr 14 22:55:26 more choice makes one rejoice :) Apr 14 22:55:34 more like linux nerds Apr 14 22:58:51 johnx: ah excellent, any known workarounds as of yet? Apr 14 22:59:05 downgrade Apr 14 22:59:06 :) Apr 14 22:59:10 to previous ver Apr 14 22:59:12 i see Apr 14 23:07:40 KotCzarny, have you tried downgrading? I tried downgrading just modest but it still didn't work... Apr 14 23:07:49 i don't use modest Apr 14 23:07:50 :) Apr 14 23:07:51 Might have to do with a stale config file or something though... Apr 14 23:08:03 btw. debian should remove configs too Apr 14 23:08:17 i mean dpkg/apt Apr 14 23:08:18 not user configs :P Apr 14 23:08:26 userconfigs too i think Apr 14 23:08:31 KotCzarny, no, it doesn't Apr 14 23:08:37 at least if package was configured for it Apr 14 23:08:44 kot, stop keeping me here :P ill be back later Apr 14 23:08:48 hehehe Apr 14 23:08:57 lcuk: i had to tell you the same Apr 14 23:09:03 quistiss is getting cold Apr 14 23:09:04 ;) Apr 14 23:09:52 you and your ff Apr 14 23:09:54 cya later Apr 14 23:12:24 k k Apr 14 23:12:24 :) Apr 15 01:30:07 n810 users: do you use a screen protecter? Apr 15 01:30:28 Yes Apr 15 01:30:29 Get one Apr 15 01:30:50 Recomendations? Apr 15 01:31:04 I recommend the Boxwave anti-glare for its much improved visibility in a variety of adverse lighting conditions and the surface texture. Apr 15 01:31:50 Sticket fit, or does it slip under the edges of the screen? Apr 15 01:31:57 Stickey* Apr 15 01:32:07 Sticky fit. Apr 15 01:32:10 But washable Apr 15 01:32:14 and replaceable Apr 15 01:32:18 Interesting Apr 15 01:32:21 The stick doesn't wear and doesn't come off. Apr 15 01:32:23 Thank you Apr 15 01:32:41 I removed my screen protector....don't really need one... Apr 15 01:33:43 unless your n800 is in your pocket iwth your keys in there as well. Apr 15 01:34:24 Trust me, you need it. Apr 15 01:34:29 Grit is a hard thing to battle. Apr 15 01:34:38 not really..... Apr 15 01:34:52 Besides, the benefits in viewability and texture far outweigh any screen protection issues. Apr 15 01:35:38 Acts as abit of a filter yea? Apr 15 01:35:53 i've been going to work with mtpaint......and yet to see any scratches.....really impress. Apr 15 01:36:10 How long have you had it off? Apr 15 01:36:33 I used my 770 for a year without a protector, it definitely had scratches after 6 months (and I'm not uncareful about my touchscreens). Apr 15 01:36:34 a month maybe. Apr 15 01:37:16 Also, I refer you to all the "Oops, I know I said screenprotectors were a big waste of time, but now I've scratched my screen and realized I was wrong!" threads on ITT. ;) Apr 15 01:37:28 Lol Apr 15 01:39:06 do n800s have/need screen protectors? Apr 15 01:39:26 cause i definately didnt put one on, and i used it HARDCORE for about 5 months and no scratches at all Apr 15 01:39:47 and i *AM* uncareful sometimes (i use my fingernails a *lot*) Apr 15 01:39:51 They're bundled with one. Apr 15 01:39:57 Fingernails aren't an issue. Apr 15 01:40:10 Grit getting wedged between the stylus and the screen while you're dragging is. Apr 15 01:40:41 My recommendation for any of the four NIT devices will always be: Yes, and get a Boxwave anti-glare. Apr 15 01:41:18 n810 was not packaged with one :-/ Apr 15 01:41:19 Even if you don't think the screen needs the protection (in my experience, it does) the improvements in visibility in a lot of lighting conditions and the much improved texture make it worth it. Apr 15 01:41:28 It's a "shipping protector" Apr 15 01:41:42 http://www.boxwave.com/products/easyfinder/buy-best-nokia-n810-accessories_3045.htm Apr 15 01:42:01 http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm Apr 15 01:43:52 I used my ppc6700 forever and didn't get a scratch on it....I think i can manage to do the same with the n800.. Apr 15 01:43:53 really careful when it comes to it....but go with the general and get one...don't cost alot. Apr 15 01:44:15 I got some from j&r for 10 dollars.. Apr 15 01:46:16 screenguards Apr 15 01:46:50 I've tried a variety of protectors on other devices, and Boxwave is the only one I would recommend. Apr 15 01:49:43 freeball it ziegler Apr 15 01:49:50 Does that brand need to be cut to size? Apr 15 01:50:17 For sure unique311 Apr 15 01:50:37 No Apr 15 01:50:41 hmmm cutting glare might be worth putting a screen protector on, if it actually works Apr 15 01:50:47 It does, elb. Apr 15 01:50:50 Very well, too. Apr 15 01:51:09 the transflective screen makes the n810 sunlight-*usable*, but I wouldn't call it pleasant Apr 15 01:51:19 you have to hold it just so to get the glare off it in a lot of conditions Apr 15 01:51:30 Ya Apr 15 01:51:59 $13 for a single protector is kind of steep, though Apr 15 01:52:11 It's a lifetime-protector. Apr 15 01:52:17 They essentially don't scratch. Apr 15 01:52:57 so it's made out of the same stuff as the display? ;-) Apr 15 01:53:45 hah the "OmniPen Pro" (one of the recommended items on that page) that they sell is a generic item which can be bought at various places for $5 or less Apr 15 01:53:48 and they want $20 Apr 15 01:53:59 speaking of steep :-P Apr 15 01:54:17 I saw somewhere that somebody sells the Boxwave protectors for $9 or so Apr 15 01:54:20 Don't recall where Apr 15 01:54:21 elb if you really need a scratch protector go with the screenguard....10 dollars for 15.... Apr 15 01:54:23 and they don't scratch... Apr 15 01:54:24 So you may want to look around. Apr 15 01:54:47 But do they cut glare, unique311? Apr 15 01:55:01 yeah, I'm not concerned with scratching, but glare is a real problem Apr 15 01:55:08 10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuff in it a retail package. Apr 15 01:55:20 s/stuff/stuffed/ Apr 15 01:55:20 GeneralAntilles meant: 10 for $15 sounds like somebody cut up a transparency and stuffed in it a retail package. Apr 15 01:55:27 no, it *actually* sounds like somebody charging a fair price Apr 15 01:55:36 but it probably *is* someone cutting up a transparency and overchargin Apr 15 01:55:55 My experience with those protectors has always been bad. Apr 15 01:55:58 that boxwave item costs them probably $0.50 to produce Apr 15 01:56:03 if even that Apr 15 01:56:20 considering they make protectors for a zillion devices, and all they have to do is cut sheets to size :-P Apr 15 01:56:46 think how cheap cellotape is and consider its the same kind of machine and same materials Apr 15 01:56:51 now it's *possible* that it's a super-expensive polymer ... but since the polymers in LCD screens are essentially free, I'm doubting it Apr 15 01:56:54 Most things sell for more than they cost to produce. :P Apr 15 01:57:04 more, yes, but that's just plain extortion Apr 15 01:57:26 however, as long as there's no competition, if the product is valuable ... Apr 15 01:57:30 no glare cutting with screenguardz Apr 15 01:59:05 Hehe anyone want to talk religion? Apr 15 01:59:12 http://www.screenguardz.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=770&Search.x=4&Search.y=14 Apr 15 01:59:33 I've got it going on in another channel, too, Ziegler. :\ Apr 15 01:59:41 * GeneralAntilles cuts his eyes out. Apr 15 01:59:54 lol Apr 15 02:00:02 seems like the n810 version do cut glare. Apr 15 02:00:09 * rm_you_ is trying hard not to fail his Asian Religions class Apr 15 02:00:14 i have the 770's Apr 15 02:02:41 screenguard hd for nokia n810 = price $15 dollars for 3 Apr 15 02:04:01 not sure about the slight adhesive part on the description... Apr 15 02:06:42 * Ziegler eyes the large role of vinyl at work Apr 15 02:07:30 * Ziegler considers selling it to poor schmuks for top $$ Apr 15 02:07:46 You wouldn't manage it. :P Apr 15 02:07:52 Cut up in n810 sized pieces of course Apr 15 02:08:04 Lol Apr 15 02:30:40 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4384 Apr 15 02:30:42 heh Apr 15 02:31:06 do people really browse web on 320xsomething ? Apr 15 02:32:46 and yes, kinetic scrolling rocks :) Apr 15 02:34:06 I am on my n810 right now browsing... Apr 15 02:34:16 But slightly higher res Apr 15 02:46:08 Hola folkds Apr 15 02:46:11 -d Apr 15 02:46:12 :P Apr 15 02:48:38 Good thing you didn't have to add a letter. Apr 15 02:49:09 mh you will have to explain that one GA Apr 15 02:49:14 I do not get it Apr 15 02:49:20 +s Apr 15 02:49:32 Where's that stupid bot? Apr 15 02:49:34 Guess he's dead! Apr 15 02:49:36 Woo Apr 15 02:50:02 he did a s/// earlier Apr 15 02:50:10 Not infobot Apr 15 02:50:13 The other one. Apr 15 02:50:15 With the + trigger. Apr 15 02:50:28 I guess I haven't noticed a second annoying bot Apr 15 02:50:36 or I thought it was just one annoying bot Apr 15 02:50:54 Used to be three. Apr 15 02:51:00 But poor Monkey is dead. Apr 15 02:51:54 Monkey had no trigger, he just responded whenever he saw a keyword. <_< Apr 15 02:52:42 monkey? keyword? what was it? BANANA? Apr 15 02:53:09 Anything that he had recorded. Apr 15 02:53:23 So, if you said MicroB, he'd spam the factoid he had for MicroB. Apr 15 02:53:59 that would be annoying, it works like a geek in need for attention Apr 15 02:54:12 Hehe Apr 15 02:54:25 I miss him, though, Infobot doesn't have a personality. Apr 15 02:55:45 What you want is a "Real People Personality"(tm) android form the Sirius Corp. Apr 15 02:56:16 One of those old-people companion bots from Korea. :D Apr 15 02:56:48 only old people companion bots from Korea use email Apr 15 02:56:50 >.> **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 15 02:59:56 2008