**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 23 02:59:56 2008 Apr 23 03:00:35 neat, mplayer .27 is faster Apr 23 03:52:04 When you boot from MMC2, do you have to boot from /dev/mmcblk0p2 ? or is there a way to set it to boot from /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? Apr 23 03:52:59 you just change it in bootmenu.conf Apr 23 03:53:31 do you know the path to bootmenu.conf? Apr 23 03:53:41 it's in the /mnt/initfs IIRC Apr 23 03:53:53 thanks Apr 23 03:54:10 you're using fanoush's initfs right? Apr 23 03:54:15 ./initfs_flasher/bootmenu.conf.example.n8x0 Apr 23 03:54:34 yes Apr 23 03:55:12 you might need to edit the one that comes in the package and run the initfs_flasher again, space is very tight on /mnt/initfs and you might run out of space Apr 23 03:56:02 well this is the line in the tutorial that sets the initfs Apr 23 03:56:03 chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 Apr 23 03:56:18 i don't see how that would tell initfs flasher to look for the second partition on mmc2 Apr 23 03:56:38 read the bootmenu.conf file Apr 23 03:57:28 when you run ./initfs_flash does it scan the MMC at that time to determine which partition the file system is on? Apr 23 03:57:35 no Apr 23 03:57:38 bootmenu.conf Apr 23 03:57:40 bootmenu.conf Apr 23 03:57:41 bootmenu.conf Apr 23 03:57:47 ^what he said^ Apr 23 03:58:05 maybe someone should tell him to edit bootmenu.conf before starting the script ? Apr 23 03:58:26 yeah, look at the bootmenu.conf.example.n800 that came with initfs_flasher Apr 23 03:58:55 Edit it to your liking, rename it to bootmenu.conf run the initfs_flasher again. Apr 23 04:03:18 i can't find the initfs directory threw terminal Apr 23 04:04:03 ok, what you need to do: unpack the initfs_flasher.tgz you got from fanoush, edit the bootmenu.conf.example.n800 that it comes with, then run the initfs_flasher script Apr 23 04:04:32 ok Apr 23 04:05:12 s/with, then/with, rename it to bootmenu.conf, then/g Apr 23 04:05:12 johnx meant: ok, what you need to do: unpack the initfs_flasher.tgz you got from fanoush, edit the bootmenu.conf.example.n800 that it comes with, rename it to bootmenu.conf, then run the initfs_flasher script Apr 23 04:08:44 hi, i'm missing some libs for xchat and i can't seem to find them Apr 23 04:09:10 have you searched for the packages on gronmayer.com/it ? Apr 23 04:09:31 yeah Apr 23 04:09:38 what package are you missing? Apr 23 04:09:47 makes me wonder if it's an error Apr 23 04:09:51 one sec Apr 23 04:11:57 libxau0 Apr 23 04:12:27 libdbus-1-2 Apr 23 04:12:42 hmm...are you trying to install the OS2007 version of xchat on OS2008? Apr 23 04:12:51 oh Apr 23 04:12:53 hm Apr 23 04:13:05 what is the terminal command to remname a file? Apr 23 04:13:14 mv oldname newname Apr 23 04:13:15 rename Apr 23 04:13:20 thanks Apr 23 04:13:30 i browsed in the repository via browser Apr 23 04:13:39 so maybe Apr 23 04:13:58 are you running OS2008? Does the repository have "bora" or "OS2007" somewhere in the name? Apr 23 04:14:06 i can't find a different xchat download tho Apr 23 04:14:14 im 2008 Apr 23 04:14:35 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Apr 23 04:14:39 its not letting me edit the bootmenu.sh because it's read only Apr 23 04:14:41 and the .deb is dated 2006 Apr 23 04:15:06 jsn, you don't edit it directly on /mnt/initfs Apr 23 04:15:17 you edit one in fanoush's scripts dir Apr 23 04:15:37 and you want to edit bootmenu.conf.example.n800 *not* bootmenu.sh Apr 23 04:15:49 sweet, thanks Apr 23 04:15:55 how do you get it to boot to that script Apr 23 04:16:00 ... Apr 23 04:16:15 how do you managed to flash fanoush's initfs? Apr 23 04:16:33 assuming you did Apr 23 04:17:01 # cd /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ Apr 23 04:17:01 # tar zxvf initfs_flasher.tgz (check location of Tar first) Apr 23 04:17:01 # cd initfs_flasher/ Apr 23 04:17:01 # ./initfs_flash Apr 23 04:17:15 then between step 3 and 4 Apr 23 04:17:19 edit bootmenu.conf Apr 23 04:17:29 which is in initfs_flasher/ somewhere Apr 23 04:17:34 and read README. Apr 23 04:17:45 or anything that resembles docs Apr 23 04:18:24 Jsn0327, KotCzarny means edit "bootmenu.conf.example.n800", mv bootmenu.conf.example.n800 bootmenu.conf, then run ./initfs_flash Apr 23 04:18:34 johnx, cp not mv Apr 23 04:18:35 :) Apr 23 04:18:37 safer Apr 23 04:18:45 that will work too Apr 23 04:18:50 ie. cp bootmenu.conf.example.n800 bootmenu.conf Apr 23 04:18:55 then edit bootmenu.conf Apr 23 04:20:01 well the bootmenu.sh is getting overwritten either way. what does it matter if you edit it or not? What i was doing was saving the current bootmenu.sh as a backup and replacing it. Apr 23 04:20:40 fine, do whatever you want Apr 23 04:21:33 is there anyway to access the file system threw file manager? I have GEP file manager but i don't think there is a search feature in it Apr 23 04:22:15 johnx: surrendered so soon? :> Apr 23 04:22:32 *given up Apr 23 04:22:41 or even *gave up Apr 23 04:22:48 meh Apr 23 04:23:16 Jsn0327, all I can say is that the way I suggested you do it *will work* if you do it correctly Apr 23 04:23:34 if you want to see where in fanoush's scripts it reads in bootmenu.conf then read the code Apr 23 04:25:04 well i can't edit/copy/write to anything. even as root in terminal it says that it is a read only file system Apr 23 04:25:35 yes, that's why you edit the file that came with initfs_flasher then run initfs_flasher again Apr 23 04:25:58 ...or you could remount /mnt/initfs read/write but it will probably run out of space trying to write back the file Apr 23 04:27:17 i can't edit any files in the /mnt/initfs directory Apr 23 04:27:35 jsn: have you paid any attention what i have told you? Apr 23 04:27:38 yes, I know Apr 23 04:27:44 i think i'm understanding what you mean now Apr 23 04:28:08 i thought that you were talking about a file within the initfs directory Apr 23 04:28:34 yes, that file is the one that's used by bootloader Apr 23 04:28:48 but to edit it you need to edit a copy and flash it Apr 23 04:36:33 has anyone gotten wikipedia to work offline on os2008? Apr 23 04:37:43 no problem, just install apache, php, mediawiki and download wikipedia db Apr 23 04:38:28 can i install apache here? Apr 23 04:38:34 probably Apr 23 04:38:41 i have the giant xml file Apr 23 04:39:09 n800n, there are some alternatives to making your n800 into a wikipedia server Apr 23 04:39:26 sdictviewer has a wikipedia "dictionary" available IIRC Apr 23 04:39:27 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/apache/ Apr 23 04:39:45 and there is something called mokopedia I believe Apr 23 04:40:00 checking Apr 23 04:54:22 sdict seems a better choice Apr 23 04:54:28 thanks Apr 23 04:55:18 johnx and KotCzarny thanks for your help Apr 23 05:43:11 zuh: hi... Apr 23 05:44:05 Zuh: iam struck with playbin ... could nt redirect the video output to my app window... Apr 23 05:44:20 zuh: any pointers regarding this Apr 23 06:21:57 i know maemo isn't a PDA, but I would like to keep a calendar on it if possible. Syncing with a desktop or web calendar would be nesecary (currently i'm not doing the calendar thing so I'm open to any backend). Apr 23 06:22:21 i know dates is already available, but I don't think it syncs up. Apr 23 06:22:35 ermining (sp?) w/ gpe-calendar apparently has some ability to sync to google calendar Apr 23 06:22:48 it's somewhat manual from what I understand Apr 23 06:22:54 syncing with evolution would be cooler than google to me Apr 23 06:23:26 I don't know much calendars and syncing Apr 23 06:23:51 the calendars that I know exist are gpe-calendar, dates and gene cash's calend Apr 23 06:24:23 cool, i'll check out gpe and calend then, thanks Apr 23 06:37:42 how to install playbinmaemo on N810 Apr 23 06:37:48 any pointers Apr 23 06:58:25 KotCzarny, you around? I got a quick (very little) question. Apr 23 06:59:15 shoot Apr 23 06:59:39 * johnx installs xfce4 on Debian :) Apr 23 06:59:50 You know, is my retu damaged or my kernel when kcbatt's debug mode returns all of the values from retu as ffffff? Apr 23 07:00:10 hmm Apr 23 07:00:31 maybe some patch interferes Apr 23 07:00:40 Maybe, thanks. Apr 23 07:00:43 but battery applet works? Apr 23 07:00:46 Yes Apr 23 07:00:51 DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 Apr 23 07:01:12 locky, it's a linux chan Apr 23 07:01:17 I'm compiling a new kernel atm, I'll try that out. If it works, you will all have something you may like ;) Apr 23 07:01:29 But now, school calls me. And the homework I haven't done :/ Apr 23 07:02:04 i'm done with ff8 Apr 23 07:02:14 should i start ff9 or shouldn't i Apr 23 07:03:57 KotCzarny, kcbatt works ok in Debian it seems :D Apr 23 07:04:42 johnx: yes, as long you use nokia's kernel Apr 23 07:05:01 well, there aren't any good choices right now, so I'm not worrying about the kernel Apr 23 07:05:02 that was the main reason to write it Apr 23 07:05:19 to have something with smallest set of deps Apr 23 07:05:55 well, thanks for writing it. :) Apr 23 07:06:04 johnx: :) Apr 23 07:06:35 btw. if anyone wants it to be more correct it should run all the time and use some math to approximate curves Apr 23 07:06:47 and do the math about min/max time Apr 23 07:07:27 if you get ahold of any generic battery applet Apr 23 07:07:38 yeah, I was thinking about that Apr 23 07:07:44 the one for the zaurus should be adaptable Apr 23 07:08:00 data read function is simple enough to adapt Apr 23 07:08:10 bah, it's a single ioctl Apr 23 07:08:10 :) Apr 23 07:08:37 yep Apr 23 07:08:59 the only problem is scaling raw values :> Apr 23 07:09:12 i approximated them as 380-560 (min-max) Apr 23 07:09:29 under low load it can go to 240 Apr 23 07:09:41 but then you risk reboot on any load :> Apr 23 07:09:54 I should plot battery discharge in Debian with the same script you used to see how well power management is working Apr 23 07:10:04 mhm Apr 23 07:10:40 btw. kcbatt takes some params Apr 23 07:10:42 try -h :) Apr 23 07:12:26 BTW, how about a transparent desktop widget that shows current temperature and illumination level? Apr 23 07:12:36 Something small and python-less Apr 23 07:12:48 rst38h: i was thinking about it, and got sidetracked Apr 23 07:13:03 ie, xlib app should be hard to write Apr 23 07:13:38 Why? Apr 23 07:13:43 night Apr 23 07:13:45 erm Apr 23 07:13:50 s/should/shouldn't/ Apr 23 07:13:52 Oh Apr 23 07:13:56 it's late here Apr 23 07:13:57 ;) Apr 23 07:14:08 With an applet like this, the whole thing will get close to a tricorder ;) Apr 23 07:14:18 tricorder? Apr 23 07:14:47 KotCzarny <-- somehow escaped exposure to StarTrek Apr 23 07:14:51 Weird. Apr 23 07:14:53 :) Apr 23 07:14:55 yup Apr 23 07:15:03 i sidestepped some memes Apr 23 07:15:32 Of course, it will still miss a geiger counter... Apr 23 07:15:41 why? Apr 23 07:15:43 find usb one Apr 23 07:15:44 :) Apr 23 07:15:51 clumsy Apr 23 07:15:55 then bt one Apr 23 07:16:14 Albeit current-gps-location-with map widget is also a must ;) Apr 23 07:16:31 that's what maemo-mapper is for Apr 23 07:17:49 yes, but it looks less like a tricorder Apr 23 07:18:29 themeize it Apr 23 07:20:10 Ok, ColEm is almost ready for release Apr 23 07:30:35 yo Apr 23 07:30:58 hi Apr 23 07:31:03 mmm does anyone know if nokia is releasing a new n series this year? Apr 23 07:31:07 or early next Apr 23 07:31:20 all ive heard was the wimax in 08 which was released Apr 23 07:31:27 which makes me think theyre done for now =( Apr 23 07:32:29 yeah, I think everyone who is making predictions is saying late '08/early '09 but Nokia has had surprises up their sleeve before Apr 23 07:34:35 i heard a rumour that they are going to release... Apr 23 07:34:38 the Nokia Nii! Apr 23 07:34:48 NiiNtendo? Apr 23 07:36:33 so no one here is on the inside and can hint a quarter Apr 23 07:36:40 ;) Apr 23 07:42:20 tsukasa, read Texrat's hints on itt and see if you can make something of them Apr 23 07:42:32 itt? Apr 23 07:42:36 oh Apr 23 07:42:40 internettablettalk Apr 23 07:42:40 internettablettalk.com/forums Apr 23 07:42:48 yeah Apr 23 07:43:09 johnx, wheres the post under? Apr 23 07:43:47 he has posts all over the place Apr 23 07:44:10 most of them have very little information, but he seems excited about *something* after the n810 w/ wimax Apr 23 07:44:32 * KotCzarny starts a rumour about n880 Apr 23 07:52:23 okay lets play a game Apr 23 07:52:32 i just got my tax refunds in and have enough money for a n800 Apr 23 07:52:41 whoever can find the best price on one gets a cookie Apr 23 07:52:52 a choclate chip cookie =O Apr 23 07:52:54 sugar is bad for teeth Apr 23 07:53:07 so is your mom Apr 23 07:53:12 not true Apr 23 07:53:31 $1 Apr 23 07:54:04 nah ;) Apr 23 07:54:26 anyone seen instructions for numptyphysics - ie. what the buttons do when you click on the middle button? Apr 23 07:57:10 http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ <- it appears to be here Apr 23 07:57:27 http://www.overstockdealz.com/products.asp?id=N800R&referer=google Apr 23 07:57:30 175 Apr 23 07:57:34 can anyone find better? Apr 23 07:57:45 i got mine for 150 Apr 23 07:57:51 where Apr 23 07:57:54 cl Apr 23 07:58:06 i live in a small town =P Apr 23 07:58:21 find big one closest to you Apr 23 07:58:40 nada there Apr 23 07:59:22 All right, ColEm is out Apr 23 07:59:31 Get it here: http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ Apr 23 07:59:48 (Do not click on "install directly" as it is not in the extras repository yet) Apr 23 08:00:06 o.o Apr 23 08:00:36 sounds nea Apr 23 08:00:37 t Apr 23 08:13:57 awesome RST38h Apr 23 08:18:56 pupnik: I will release the EMULib source code separately in a while, but if you want to look, it is part of the ColEm source (on a web page) Apr 23 08:19:07 EMULib and EMULib/Maemo Apr 23 08:24:19 i played original colecovision :) Apr 23 08:24:53 will look sometime Apr 23 08:28:40 question to n800 lovers Apr 23 08:28:47 how much of this article is still true: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ Apr 23 08:28:48 perv Apr 23 08:28:49 before i get one Apr 23 08:29:10 that depends how hardcore newton user you are Apr 23 08:29:25 i mean in terms of the interface sucking Apr 23 08:29:32 it's a linux Apr 23 08:29:37 interface can be changed Apr 23 08:29:40 for kde Apr 23 08:29:40 etc Apr 23 08:29:52 are there many good interfaces for the 800 Apr 23 08:29:57 ill define good Apr 23 08:30:02 super minamilistic while functional Apr 23 08:30:08 xterm Apr 23 08:30:18 dude its a software keyboard Apr 23 08:30:32 my bluetooth keyboard waves 'hello' Apr 23 08:30:48 too clunky Apr 23 08:30:48 * KotCzarny bt kb sleeps Apr 23 08:30:59 no if you go from the newton perspective, you will not like it Apr 23 08:31:11 if you like the idea of a linux computer in your pocket, you will like it Apr 23 08:31:30 other use-cases also will yield 'like it' Apr 23 08:32:16 okay well, does it allow for you to change the interface completely, and are there user made interfaces Apr 23 08:32:45 perhaps in a nice galley on the web somewhere? Apr 23 08:32:47 yes but they are ports of linux desktops Apr 23 08:33:04 tsukasa: Rotation support can be added, though that's cludgy Apr 23 08:33:05 do they work well? kde or gnome on n800 Apr 23 08:34:21 well i dont rotate that much Apr 23 08:34:29 tsukasa: ui is based on gtk widgets which gnome uses also so things arent that different.. Apr 23 08:35:49 tsukasa: treat maemo as a work in progress Apr 23 08:35:57 every year they add something nice Apr 23 08:36:25 KotCzarny, what do you use? Apr 23 08:36:26 the best thing for me is ability to compile regular software for it Apr 23 08:36:53 yeah thats what is attracting me to it in the first place Apr 23 08:37:05 games, media (xmms), ebook reader, web browser, ssh Apr 23 08:37:39 for that, i think it's the coolest thing ever Apr 23 08:38:04 yup, if one likes to hack, it's the best Apr 23 08:38:16 otherwise it may not reach the expectations Apr 23 08:38:26 what about the interface though Apr 23 08:38:32 works for me Apr 23 08:38:33 like im looking at hildon ss on the n800 Apr 23 08:38:49 i click on menu and launch programs Apr 23 08:38:54 that's the interface for me Apr 23 08:39:02 status bar is nice too Apr 23 08:39:12 isnt there a huge bar on the right side that doesnt go away though Apr 23 08:39:12 clock is essential for me Apr 23 08:39:20 left* Apr 23 08:39:33 tsukasa: if you enable roation support you can move it Apr 23 08:39:38 apps can go fullscreen too Apr 23 08:39:50 http://sse2.net/rotate/ Apr 23 08:39:59 see thats what i dont want though, i want a *super* minimalistic interface Apr 23 08:40:08 eg make that bar integrated into another and 3 pixels Apr 23 08:40:13 http://sse2.net/rotate/shot02.png Apr 23 08:40:19 is it minimalistic enough? Apr 23 08:40:31 is that fullscreen? Apr 23 08:40:34 yes Apr 23 08:40:51 from the youtube videos ive seen it takes like a second to switch Apr 23 08:40:55 with a flicker Apr 23 08:41:03 and you have hardware keys to call app menu etc Apr 23 08:41:28 ideally id have the gui so minimalistic that it is essentially always in fullscreen Apr 23 08:41:33 3 pixel menu bar Apr 23 08:41:45 maybe a bit larger but you get the idea Apr 23 08:41:51 i think that menu bar on the left is customizable with theme Apr 23 08:42:03 can you integrate it with the top bar Apr 23 08:42:08 simply replace 80 with 3 and you get your's 3px bar Apr 23 08:42:44 that's news to me Apr 23 08:42:58 pupnik, yup, that's what i have done at the beginning Apr 23 08:43:17 i was looking for a way to make that taskbar go away Apr 23 08:43:18 :) Apr 23 08:43:44 KotCzarny, okay looking at this snapshot http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/images/Maemo-Pidgin-Screenshot.png Apr 23 08:44:07 that looks like a os2007 Apr 23 08:44:11 is it possible to make the top bar autohiding, the left bar tiny, and the window title 2px Apr 23 08:44:17 its the same layout isnt it? Apr 23 08:44:26 similiar Apr 23 08:45:02 if you invest your time in building a theme then i think it's possible (without sliding part) Apr 23 08:45:11 tsukasa: there's a hardware button to make apps go fullscreen Apr 23 08:45:28 right under your index finger, left hand side Apr 23 08:45:32 tsukasa, just press the fullscreen button, it's really useful to switch from/to fullscreen (and fast) Apr 23 08:45:34 pupnik, i know but the youtube videos ive seen show a 1 second lag and a screen flicker with that Apr 23 08:45:44 plus i actually want the gui elements to be there Apr 23 08:45:55 just infinitely less obtrusive Apr 23 08:46:16 then make it so! Apr 23 08:46:17 tsukasa, write/port some floating always-on-top bar? Apr 23 08:46:37 KotCzarny, im not that great at coding Apr 23 08:46:42 whats involved in theming? Apr 23 08:46:49 sliders or config files? Apr 23 08:46:56 have you ever heard about gtkrc ? Apr 23 08:47:05 heard about yes used no Apr 23 08:47:10 ive seen emerald theming Apr 23 08:47:12 thats easy Apr 23 08:47:26 i think things may get complicated for you then :) Apr 23 08:47:48 let me guess, its a giant list of key/value pairs Apr 23 08:48:03 kind of Apr 23 08:48:05 :) Apr 23 08:48:09 sigh Apr 23 08:48:25 i have yet to spot a gtk theme editor Apr 23 08:48:32 theme maker Apr 23 08:49:00 pupnik: after adding simple parsing it can double as editor :) Apr 23 08:49:32 tsukasa: be prepared for the worst Apr 23 08:49:57 pupnik: does sdk provide usable maemo emulation? Apr 23 08:50:12 ie. to 'try and feel' Apr 23 08:50:27 ah good suggestion Apr 23 08:50:48 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ tsukasa Apr 23 08:51:37 tsukasa: there's an updated review from the same guy: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/os2008/ Apr 23 08:51:39 :) Apr 23 08:52:18 that guy is lucky he doesn't allow comments Apr 23 08:52:44 it should be noted 'for hxc newton users' Apr 23 08:52:45 :) Apr 23 08:53:02 well its always good to read the review of the uber critic Apr 23 08:53:31 he's obviously not getting laid Apr 23 08:58:16 reading through it, there are many good points Apr 23 08:59:13 yeah Apr 23 08:59:30 hmm sleep intrigues me Apr 23 08:59:38 does it work as bad as he claims? Apr 23 08:59:46 (still?) Apr 23 08:59:57 don't know nothing about it Apr 23 09:00:21 if i turn wifi off and have no badly written apps i get that ~10 days in standby Apr 23 09:01:22 the dude clearly can't convince any female to fuck him Apr 23 09:01:34 yeah but if its possible to get 30 day standby Apr 23 09:01:35 im sold Apr 23 09:01:39 because that is amazing Apr 23 09:02:08 if astorm finally gets around to make 2xAA external battery pack, then yes Apr 23 09:02:09 ;) Apr 23 09:02:24 why the fuck do you care about 30 day standby Apr 23 09:02:30 how does it fit in your pocket anyways Apr 23 09:02:35 good Apr 23 09:02:38 pupnik, im a battery life whore Apr 23 09:02:42 hehehe Apr 23 09:02:46 i slapped linux on my MBP for battery life Apr 23 09:02:52 <3 powertop Apr 23 09:02:53 tsukasa: 2x AA should fit quite well Apr 23 09:04:04 some people have 'problems' that make me want to bitchslap them Apr 23 09:04:43 pupnik: i like the idea of 2 or 4xAA battery pack Apr 23 09:04:44 :> Apr 23 09:05:24 yeah i have a spare power connector. will test it without a regulator on 770 Apr 23 09:05:53 yyawn Apr 23 09:05:56 darn. Apr 23 09:06:02 it's morning again. Apr 23 09:06:08 gotta catch some sleep Apr 23 09:06:19 cheers KotCzarny Apr 23 09:06:37 night night Apr 23 09:06:45 midday, so it seems Apr 23 09:07:14 pupnik: you mean, you want to try 4x AA directly? let me tell how that fares Apr 23 09:07:22 it will work Apr 23 09:07:42 but if these are NiMH, the voltage may drop too much for further use after some time Apr 23 09:07:48 even though they aren't discharged Apr 23 09:08:14 you need at least a cheap power regulator Apr 23 09:08:52 it's low to start with, 4,8V Apr 23 09:08:58 yes i'm curious how long before voltage drops too much Apr 23 09:09:03 if it drops more than about 0.2V, you lose Apr 23 09:09:20 I think about 2/3 of the capacity Apr 23 09:09:28 ah, wait, no Apr 23 09:09:29 ah then it will be pretty useless Apr 23 09:09:34 it'll drop then by 0,1V Apr 23 09:09:38 which may or may not work Apr 23 09:09:48 4,8V is pretty much guaranteed to work Apr 23 09:11:11 i just rarely run out of battery Apr 23 09:11:20 like twice this year Apr 23 09:12:00 :-) Apr 23 09:12:10 I also don't, but it's a close shave Apr 23 09:12:30 I certainly would if I used N as an MP3 player Apr 23 09:13:36 hmm Apr 23 09:13:37 My N95 shuts down every day just because I happen to use N810 through it Apr 23 09:13:44 i guess i have one final question about the 800 Apr 23 09:14:05 can it connect to wpa/wpa2/wpa enterprise with peap Apr 23 09:24:02 http://www.google.com/search?q=n800+wpa+peap Apr 23 09:38:27 good morning Apr 23 09:40:33 does anyone happen to know if C++ strings in structs are still zero terminated if they reach their maximum length in the struct? Don't tell me, up to the compiler....? Apr 23 09:41:34 s/string/char array Apr 23 09:42:15 Why would char arrays in a struct differ from ones outside? Apr 23 09:42:18 lardman, i believe it's std library implementation specific Apr 23 09:42:51 inz: only because if you don't meet the trailing 0x0 and you are at the know length of the array, you could not bother using one Apr 23 09:43:05 though I imagine it will be included anyway Apr 23 09:43:33 actually it was a silly question, need more caffeine to wake the brain Apr 23 09:43:40 kaatis: cheers Apr 23 09:44:50 ~lart translating C++ into MATLAB Apr 23 09:44:50 * infobot pries translating C++ into MATLAB's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to translating C++ into MATLAB Apr 23 09:45:34 lardman, can't be as pita as translating MATLAB into C Apr 23 09:45:52 inz: yeah that is a real pain Apr 23 09:46:04 Depends on the C++. Apr 23 09:46:17 Matlab's language is basically completely deficient in a number of areas. Apr 23 09:46:25 derf: yes, my question was a bit silly as it's up to the code using the array Apr 23 09:47:01 but make up for it many times over by not needing to do array sizing Apr 23 09:47:20 I don't often spend a lot of time worrying about array sizing. Apr 23 09:47:36 And I'm mostly confused by people who do. Apr 23 09:48:16 ah, my work is pretty much about manipulating image data in time, and taking chunks for it for processing, so lots of arrays Apr 23 09:48:25 lardman: So is mine. Apr 23 09:49:14 theora stuff Apr 23 09:50:01 As well as my actual job. Apr 23 09:50:13 ah, I didn't know if that was your actual job :) Apr 23 09:50:20 Theora is not. Apr 23 09:50:26 ah, ok Apr 23 09:53:18 But no, I got my Ph.D. doing image analysis... and I'm probably the only person in the entire field who hates matlab. Apr 23 09:53:37 :) what do you hate about it? Apr 23 09:53:41 out of interest Apr 23 09:54:09 It might be okay for doing an extremely small, limited set of things. Apr 23 09:54:29 The problems I want to solve almost never stay within that extremely small, limited set. Apr 23 09:54:49 surely you then just write some code to cover a large set of things? Apr 23 09:55:10 No, I mean the language. Apr 23 09:55:22 Suddenly everything outside of that set becomes much more difficult to do. Apr 23 09:55:50 Almost as if these concepts were bolted on as an afterthought (gee, I can't imagine that's what happened). Apr 23 09:56:31 And I'd rather use a language that's mediocre at lots of things than one that's extremely good at a small set of things, and godawful at everything else. Apr 23 09:57:14 I suppose it depends what you need to do, but as a procedural language it fits the bill, and saves having to write the glue code (array manipulation, various mathematical operations, etc.) Apr 23 09:57:29 You know, I can use LAPACK in C, too, if I really want to. Apr 23 09:57:51 but it's more painful Apr 23 09:58:10 Matlab's problem is that it _requires_ obtuse array maniuplation to do anything. Apr 23 09:58:16 Including things that should have nothing to do with arrays. Apr 23 09:59:03 yes, but it trades that for cleaner code for things that do use arrays Apr 23 09:59:06 Joint Apr 23 09:59:09 oups ... Apr 23 09:59:12 Hi ! :) Apr 23 09:59:45 Which gets you crazy things like permute(reshape(fliplr(...),3,3,:),[1 3 2]) ... which leave you staring at that going, "What the hell does it _do_?" Apr 23 10:00:36 but you cold write that in a different (slower) way if you wanted Apr 23 10:00:41 s/cold/could Apr 23 10:00:57 Sure, but in matlab "slower" becomes by orders of magnitude, so nobody does. Apr 23 10:01:12 but yes, the optimisations lead to obscure code Apr 23 10:01:23 They're not really optimizations. Apr 23 10:01:27 They're basically required. Apr 23 10:01:51 agreed Apr 23 10:02:10 That's like saying, well, you _could_ use a garbage collector in C, so you can't complain about the fact that it makes you manually allocate things. Apr 23 10:02:57 well if you wanted to garbage collect it would mean you'd need to write the glue code, the same is not true of MATLAB, you can write it whichever way you want, and then it just runs slower one way Apr 23 10:03:09 or even both ways :) Apr 23 10:03:19 i see matlab rather as a prototyping language and for that matter it fulfills its purpose imo Apr 23 10:04:13 yes, I was going to say that - to tackle new problems quickly, it does its job and allows you to tackle the algorithm (for which the obscure bits can be twiddled later) rather than the glue Apr 23 10:06:51 though if I'd started using C rather than MATLAB and had written a library of functions to handle n-dim arrays, etc., I may not be so bothered about the 'advantages' that MATLAB has Apr 23 10:08:56 atleast the matlab convention trains you to think vectorized so it has some didactical value :) Apr 23 10:11:41 it also has simulink which is why I started using it Apr 23 10:11:49 bbiab Apr 23 10:23:09 does many of u use google calendar ? Apr 23 10:23:31 i ask because i ll release a in few week a new calendar application for maemo ... Apr 23 10:23:37 but it need syncing ... Apr 23 10:24:13 so i ve two choice ... porting it to desktop, or using an online calendar ... Apr 23 10:24:45 an other one will be to add support in erminig too Apr 23 10:26:31 if you want someone to use your calender, it better sync with something at least.. Apr 23 10:27:17 i ll make sync ... personnaly i ve preferences for google agenda Apr 23 10:27:53 i ll be the main user ... the purpose of it is to have a calendar app that i ll use Apr 23 10:28:05 not a killer application (but i still hope :) ) Apr 23 10:28:52 in fact it's a fork on winzing calendar ... with customisation, simplification, and some gui change to be easily be used on a nit Apr 23 11:10:14 kulve: i solved the problem... now im getting the playbin video on my app window Apr 23 11:10:19 thanks for ur support Apr 23 11:12:16 soman: great. What was the problem? Apr 23 11:15:08 the problem was the message was not exposed on the bus.,.. so i explicitly posted the message on the bus, and got it Apr 23 11:15:19 anyway thanks for ur support... Apr 23 11:15:31 would like to be in touch with you,,, in future Apr 23 12:28:53 * lcuk sneaks in from work Apr 23 12:55:14 is there a trick to make chinook keep its wlan0 online? Apr 23 13:02:55 ping works Apr 23 13:04:23 how can i run while (event) { inotifytools_printf} and also invoke gtk_main() ? Apr 23 13:04:26 i thought there might be some hidden option somewhere Apr 23 13:46:47 who maintains http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/repo/dists/ ? Apr 23 13:47:48 hendry: I think some of the indt guys do that. Apr 23 14:06:55 Ooh Apr 23 14:07:10 haptic feedback on the 5800 Apr 23 14:32:25 Argh! God hates me :(. This kernel I built isn't booting. I'm gonna have to recompile :( Apr 23 14:33:53 :( Apr 23 14:34:37 I'm working on something good as well. Hopefully more functional than that unionfs I put out. :) Apr 23 14:35:07 \o/ Apr 23 14:44:53 \o/ = seconded Apr 23 14:45:39 BTW qwerty12, I am running your super kernel. Apr 23 14:45:48 thanks for that. Apr 23 14:45:54 fysa, nice :). np :) Apr 23 14:46:09 I call it experimental because I don't know if it has any problems :P Apr 23 14:46:42 no worries Apr 23 14:46:48 The only reason I made it was because I saw some other kernels but it would mean giving up the features that fanoush made in his kernel. So he gave the source patch and I applied it :) Apr 23 14:46:50 Thanks :) Apr 23 14:48:07 what is in that kernel? Apr 23 14:49:45 let me find the page a sec, I don't even remember. Basically, features I don't use :p Apr 23 14:49:59 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104 Apr 23 14:50:13 You got there faster than me >.< Apr 23 14:52:48 =) Apr 23 14:53:49 Umgh Apr 23 14:58:17 RST38h, Nice work on the Colecovision emulator. But it isn't for me as I wasn't even around then :P. My Dad still has memories of his one :p Apr 23 15:04:32 qwerty: Now you will have to buy a tablet for your dad =) Apr 23 15:05:33 Hehe, my dad doesn't like my one. He wanted me to get a eee pc >.<. But I liked the N800 and I also wanted to do some wifi hacking lol Apr 23 15:05:46 And I still have MasterSystem, GameBoy and NES to port Apr 23 15:06:26 Wow, gameboy would be amazing. I currently use PyBoy to run Cokemon. While not bad, it could be improved. Apr 23 15:15:46 is the colecovision different from the coleco intellivision? Apr 23 15:16:39 oh, it looks like the intellivision was mattel Apr 23 15:16:39 hmm Apr 23 15:33:32 ? Apr 23 15:33:40 ? Apr 23 15:33:45 ?! Apr 23 15:33:48 ??? Apr 23 15:33:49 khertan_ (n=khertan@AAmiens-151-1-67-213.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) ? Apr 23 15:33:56 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Apr 23 15:34:00 khertan_ > !shutdown Apr 23 15:34:06 arg ww Apr 23 15:34:24 two Khertans enter, one may leave! Apr 23 15:34:28 I think Wanadoo still exists in the UK Apr 23 15:35:00 oh noes. O_o he got scared away Apr 23 15:35:06 hehe Apr 23 15:35:20 ouch wanadoo.fr ... huhu Apr 23 15:35:26 i m in france :) Apr 23 15:35:47 but orange/wanadoo many things aren't really well separated Apr 23 15:35:50 /bu 2 Apr 23 15:35:54 uugh Apr 23 15:36:05 in fact i has always be the same ... France Telecom Apr 23 15:36:09 :) Apr 23 15:36:31 Hehe :). But there was a UK one as well. I think they may have got bought out though. Wanadoo at the time bought freeserve, a UK ISP owned by Dixons in the UK :) Apr 23 15:37:28 was the same ... france telecom :) Apr 23 15:37:39 as alice was telecom italia Apr 23 15:37:45 Ah :) Apr 23 15:38:03 hi Apr 23 15:38:16 t-mobile is deutsch telecom Apr 23 15:38:32 lcuk: hmm, isn't the screen only 16bit though? Apr 23 15:39:01 sfr is vivendi ... which is Universal ... Apr 23 15:39:34 after this moment of history about this very small company ... Apr 23 15:39:40 i ll go on ... take my train Apr 23 15:39:47 bye :) Apr 23 15:39:51 Bye :) Apr 23 15:55:48 Has anyone built a kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS enabled and the N800 boots fine? ATM, this is my second recompile and I think that option may be causing my N800 not to boot. Apr 23 15:56:24 qwerty12: powertop? Apr 23 15:56:31 hrw, yes Apr 23 15:56:39 qwerty12: it booted for me but wifi did not worked Apr 23 15:57:05 hrw, ah thanks. One of my other options seems to be conflicting then :/ Apr 23 15:57:18 qwerty12: enable only that then Apr 23 15:57:39 hrw: I want other features too :) Apr 23 15:57:47 ;) Apr 23 15:57:51 one step at time Apr 23 15:58:29 I'm impatient :P Apr 23 15:58:39 (spelling?) Apr 23 15:58:52 qwerty, and it seems like you're getting much faster forward this way? Apr 23 15:59:46 inz, No but I'm not one for problem solving TBH. (Not that I wouldn't like to be. I just lack the brain power) Apr 23 16:00:31 qwerty12: impotent you meant? Apr 23 16:00:57 Joke right? :p Apr 23 16:01:40 I hope >.<. All my plumbing is fine afaik Apr 23 16:02:10 ;D Apr 23 16:03:05 Hehe :D. I've taken out Timer option. I'm not so bothered about powertop, but if it worked it would be nice :) Apr 23 16:05:31 qwerty12: wat you want to add to kernel? Apr 23 16:06:59 hrw, Nothing much. I've already added "(fixed rotation, 48Hz Faster MMC, extended brightness & crypto api) , plus the USB DMA & Powercheck disabled, LUKS, IPv6 and the case copy symbol. Be careful when using this one." and I want to add something else, I'll keep it a surprise until (if) it works ;P Apr 23 16:07:59 Yep, timer option was causing my N800 not to boot. Probably doesn't get on with the framebuffer enabled. Apr 23 16:10:54 Does anyone else's kernels get compiled with no "sw-release"? It makes the about panel say . It's odd because the kernel I compiled this morning had the version in and the one I compiled just now with EXACTLY the same settings as the one in the morning has no version info in it :( Apr 23 16:14:38 Ok, sorry to be annoying but is there any way to fix modprobe on this device? A few scripts I've seen use modprobe over insmod :/ and I can't be bothered to replace modprobe strings :P Apr 23 16:23:45 maybe something like.. a script with: insmod `which "$1"` Apr 23 16:23:50 wait, that wouldn't work. Apr 23 16:24:17 fysa, Thanks but it doesn't matter. I couldn't get this to work when using insmod :( Apr 23 16:29:55 Our camera sucks knob. Why? (Not because of the crappy picture quality btw) Apr 23 16:29:56 http://pastebin.ca/994694 Apr 23 16:30:06 WTF IS UWVY? Apr 23 16:30:20 s/UWVY/UYVY Apr 23 16:31:55 This: http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php#UYVY Apr 23 16:32:25 Most popular? :(. Now I'm upset. Apr 23 16:34:28 Arg, I don't know anything about video's. I thought this would be a simple recompile (which it was) but stupid OMAP webcam :( Apr 23 16:34:39 All I wanted was video in flash. Apr 23 16:34:57 s/I don't know anything about video's/I don't know anything about video systems Apr 23 16:38:38 qwerty12, would it be possible to get rotation in the kernel in 2008he? Apr 23 16:39:25 Atarii, probably. I'm not sure what kernel 770 uses and also I wouldn't be able to backport the code. More fanoush's area. Apr 23 16:40:25 2.6.16.27-omap1 kernel i think Apr 23 16:41:47 Ahh, ok. If I have time, I will try and find the source of that kernel. But I can only do a quick "port" of the rotation code. May not work. Apr 23 16:43:00 awesome! thanks and i look forward to any progress Apr 23 16:44:38 Np, but I must note I probably won't be able to do it (not from lack of trying but from lack of knowledge) and I'm not a developer. Plus I've never compiled 770 kernel before :). jott may be a good person to ask for info (he did the port of the mamona code to maemo) Apr 23 16:46:31 yea ive spoke to jott Apr 23 16:49:37 fook, this flash webcam code is going to need some sorting. Apr 23 16:49:59 BTW: Out of question, would anyone be interested if I did get camera to work in flash? Apr 23 16:54:05 Interesting. The camera is RGBP on boot but Internet call program sets it to UYVY Apr 23 16:59:52 Atarii, I'm not sure if the 770's LCD controller has rotation support. The reason it happened so quickly with the n8x0 is that the epson LCD controller does all the work Apr 23 17:07:18 Where can i find the list with all maemo phones? Apr 23 17:07:30 phones? Apr 23 17:07:45 here: n770, n800, n810 Apr 23 17:07:48 Any developers around? Apr 23 17:08:04 <||cw> there are no maemo "phones" Apr 23 17:08:12 i think the wiki but thats a guess Apr 23 17:08:12 mobiles what ever Apr 23 17:08:19 internet tablets Apr 23 17:08:22 or enhanced pdas Apr 23 17:08:27 but not phones or mobiles Apr 23 17:08:31 no gsm on them Apr 23 17:08:33 yes Apr 23 17:08:39 but where? Apr 23 17:08:46 here: n770, n800, n810 Apr 23 17:09:00 <||cw> tablets, handhelds maybe... they aren't very good at being a PDA so "enhanced" wouldn't work Apr 23 17:09:09 i think he wants to pair with bluetooth Apr 23 17:09:24 <||cw> dpap: there's no "list" because there are only 3, as pancake has said Apr 23 17:10:17 those 3 tablets has got the latest maemo software? Apr 23 17:10:40 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/bluetoothdun/ Apr 23 17:10:44 <||cw> there's an outdated one, one with 2 SD slots for lots of storage, and one with a keyboard and gps Apr 23 17:11:11 there are technically 4, the new 810 wimax Apr 23 17:11:28 <||cw> dpap: 770 won't run "the latest" officially, there is an endition that will install, but it's not really stable Apr 23 17:12:29 can i have maemo 4 on n800? Apr 23 17:12:40 Ok, from this snippet of code: http://pastebin.ca/994754 , can anyone tell me the format of the .flashcamrc file please? Apr 23 17:12:55 dpap, maemo 4 is the development platform Apr 23 17:13:02 You can have OS2008 on an N800. Apr 23 17:13:07 dpap, if you mean OS2008 then yes sure. nokia released the new one and its fully compatible Apr 23 17:13:20 os2008 is the hi GeneralAntilles Apr 23 17:13:27 offs - the other crap Apr 23 17:13:38 Hi, lcuk. :) Apr 23 17:14:09 Is n800 upgradeable???? Apr 23 17:14:13 yes Apr 23 17:14:22 <||cw> dpap: the OS is, ye Apr 23 17:14:29 the os2007 that comes included on the n800 can be fully upgraded to os2008 Apr 23 17:14:42 (reflashes actually) Apr 23 17:14:50 ||cw, what, you can install the latest Nvidia Geforce card? :P Apr 23 17:14:55 s/can/can't/ Apr 23 17:14:56 GeneralAntilles meant: ||cw, what, you can't install the latest Nvidia Geforce card? :P Apr 23 17:15:30 why not, im sure theres some PCI express port somewhere on the n8x0 but we dont have drivers for it Apr 23 17:15:35 <||cw> well, or add ram, or internal storage, or add an internal gps... Apr 23 17:15:45 * lcuk has an internal gps in his n810 Apr 23 17:15:45 If only we could, maybe we'd get opengl Apr 23 17:15:46 lcuk, pretty sure there's not even a PCI bus Apr 23 17:15:50 Somehow I doubt it, lcuk. :P Apr 23 17:16:03 You can actually see all the buses we have on TI's website. :D Apr 23 17:16:11 johnx, there is, its driver will be installed for Duke Nukem Forever Maemo edition Apr 23 17:16:12 lcuk, just repeat after me "Embedded systems are weeeeird." Apr 23 17:16:12 <||cw> could be a pcicma interface Apr 23 17:16:27 There isn't, ||cw. ;) Apr 23 17:16:28 I don't see any buses here: http://www.trapmuzik.com/ Apr 23 17:16:29 ||cw, keep guessing. :) Apr 23 17:16:30 <||cw> but not likely cardbus Apr 23 17:16:47 <||cw> extra gpio's? Apr 23 17:17:13 probably plenty, especially if you rip out something useless (like the camera) Apr 23 17:17:32 you can check out the omap chip on ti site Apr 23 17:17:35 <||cw> i bet there's some freak out there that could make a pcmcia vga card work via some gio's Apr 23 17:17:39 <||cw> gpio's Apr 23 17:17:44 dont need gpio - we have full 3d hardware. we can RENDER anything * Apr 23 17:17:49 *ymmv Apr 23 17:17:57 <||cw> up to 640x480 Apr 23 17:18:03 Up to and including Halo 3, lcuk? Apr 23 17:18:04 <||cw> if I understand correctly Apr 23 17:18:09 There was this guy that had removed the FM radio chip in the N800 and used those.. Apr 23 17:18:18 O_o Apr 23 17:18:20 and - can you seriously see an individual pixel at 1/225inch? Apr 23 17:18:26 especially in a 3d game? Apr 23 17:18:49 3d 640*480 is NOT a reason to hold back on the driver Apr 23 17:18:54 I can't find the link to the page anymore, but that was a nice hardware hack :) Apr 23 17:19:00 <||cw> no, but the bandwidth of the lcd is Apr 23 17:19:15 but 640*480 at 33fps is ENTIRELY doable Apr 23 17:19:20 i do it now from the cpu Apr 23 17:19:36 800*480 is also doable at 25fps Apr 23 17:19:41 can default programs such as pdf reader, and the file manager be removed to clean up space ? Apr 23 17:19:47 think outside the box and turn to yuv :) Apr 23 17:20:14 NOCmadman, you could, but it'll only save you a couple of MB Apr 23 17:20:27 Remove the ~40MB of PDFs and media that comes bundled instead. Apr 23 17:20:30 if you delete the file manager does it delete all the files it manages? Apr 23 17:20:35 most of the stuff taking up space is used by everything Apr 23 17:20:44 lcuk, yes, but only on your tablet Apr 23 17:20:56 phew, i thought he would wipe out everyones Apr 23 17:21:26 compiz would be great. I would love a mini 3D desktop. ;) Apr 23 17:22:02 the best part would be that zooming would be free. Apr 23 17:22:09 and smooth. Apr 23 17:23:06 probably not on an omap2... Apr 23 17:23:09 the thing about this resolution hang up: the iphone manages to have an amazing interface at a MUCH lower resolution to us - if we could use a lowres highly fancy front end and only switch to highres slower updating when required we would gain a lot of wow factor Apr 23 17:23:40 they also have a faster processor and better (let alone working) 3D hardware Apr 23 17:23:50 and a lot more man-hours of dev time Apr 23 17:23:59 and corporate interest Apr 23 17:24:10 and a much smaller screen, lcuk. Apr 23 17:24:16 <||cw> and rabid fanbois Apr 23 17:24:21 and the Jobs hype-machine Apr 23 17:24:23 johnx, i thought they had identical 3d hardware to us (except for the drivers) Apr 23 17:24:28 No Apr 23 17:24:38 Their hardware is pretty radically different from ours. Apr 23 17:24:59 * lcuk will be demonstrating something at linuxtag which will put money where my mouth is Apr 23 17:25:10 I look forward to it :D Apr 23 17:25:14 so do i Apr 23 17:25:18 though I won't be there in person :/ Apr 23 17:25:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 OpenGL ES 2.0 shader effects on OMAP3 Apr 23 17:25:53 i love the 800*480 screen, but if it is seriously limited at that resolution the only possible thing to do with hardware is to allow resolution independence, let the user choose Apr 23 17:25:56 Can I have that please ;) Apr 23 17:26:00 I think it's more similar than not? Apr 23 17:26:08 X-Fade_, I don't think anyone is disputing what the OMAP3 is capable of :) Apr 23 17:26:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series_4_.28MBX.29 Apr 23 17:26:24 X-Fade_, you are attending ltag arent u Apr 23 17:26:27 already removed pdf's, moves, mp3's was just trying to clean up stuff i have replaced by other programs Apr 23 17:26:35 they are both PowerVR MBX? Apr 23 17:26:36 * GeneralAntilles needs N900 now. . . . Apr 23 17:26:42 X-Fade_, that looks like the Valve Source demo... Apr 23 17:27:06 when do we get omap3 Apr 23 17:27:19 Hopefully this fall. Apr 23 17:27:20 never on this device Apr 23 17:27:34 Every time someone asks it gets pushed back a month :) Apr 23 17:28:05 * smackpotato gets out the soldering iron Apr 23 17:30:00 http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html Apr 23 17:30:38 nm Apr 23 17:31:57 yeah, I keep really picking the winners in terms of slow video in ARM Linux devices Apr 23 17:32:14 Zaurus C1000 then N800... Apr 23 17:33:50 Its ARM? Apr 23 17:34:00 on maemo's devices? Apr 23 17:34:29 armel Apr 23 17:34:32 specifically Apr 23 17:34:37 the Nokia 770, N800, and N810 all have ARM CPUs Apr 23 17:35:15 GeneralAntilles, hate to say it but "armel" isn't really a hardware archictecture, it stands for ARM w/ EABI (little endian) Apr 23 17:35:28 Yes, I know. Apr 23 17:35:29 at least as Debian uses it Apr 23 17:35:34 But it might be relevant to his question. :P Apr 23 17:35:45 fair enough. :) Apr 23 17:35:56 Ugh Apr 23 17:36:00 meanwhile fucked up the maemo article again. Apr 23 17:36:04 What a dumbass Apr 23 17:36:16 just let him 0wn it for a week until he forgets about it Apr 23 17:36:24 you can only win by not playing Apr 23 17:36:26 GA is seeping with wonderful knowledge that must envelope and consume all. Apr 23 17:56:07 re Apr 23 17:56:26 Howdy, Jaffa. Apr 23 17:57:40 * Jaffa 's BT headphones have had one of their rubber buds fallen off Apr 23 18:04:41 haha man, this meanwhile is so pathetic. Apr 23 18:04:49 +1 Apr 23 18:05:29 GeneralAntilles: Any removing plans? Apr 23 18:06:03 omg Apr 23 18:06:03 i would pledge for a complaint Apr 23 18:06:11 my n800 froze Apr 23 18:06:12 Somebody else can fight it. Apr 23 18:06:20 duz any1 have a virus checker? Apr 23 18:06:27 it might be a virus Apr 23 18:06:30 i think i'll write a virus scanner :) Apr 23 18:06:35 Navi, I think Darius was working on one :D Apr 23 18:06:37 i need 2 remove it Apr 23 18:06:38 (with a 0 bytes signature file) Apr 23 18:07:01 or just a messagebox "No virus found" Apr 23 18:07:09 n800 is too unsecure. I dun kno how 2 use iptables Apr 23 18:07:12 maybe he feels more secure then ;) Apr 23 18:07:31 so duz any1 haev another firewalll i can use? Apr 23 18:07:50 I use ZoneAlarm on my N800. Apr 23 18:07:59 Haha, all of those spelling mistakes are from me trying to type 100WPM Apr 23 18:08:17 yeah "zonealarm: you know it's working cause now your virus scanner can't download new signatures..." Apr 23 18:08:43 Ha Apr 23 18:08:53 lol Apr 23 18:09:35 we could also just build a clamav deb Apr 23 18:09:51 I was going to do it, but I'm much too lazy. Apr 23 18:09:57 that would actually have some marginal usefulness at least Apr 23 18:10:02 clamav is even worthless on the desktop Apr 23 18:10:04 ZoneAlarm: Because you trust the State of Israel's national intelligence agency to protect your sensitive data. Apr 23 18:11:01 I love the Qtopia section. Apr 23 18:11:20 Because wikipedia is the perfect place for rumor mongering. Apr 23 18:12:04 Can I set string object equal to a c-style string? Apr 23 18:12:15 ahaha...my screensaver came on in N800/Debian and I thought my LCD controller had just given up the ghost Apr 23 18:12:16 Is there a difference between the terms Maemo and Internet Tablet OS? Apr 23 18:12:28 like, tehstring = cstring Apr 23 18:12:47 Ahh, ghost Apr 23 18:12:49 "Scratchbox-compatible rootstraps are available for both x86 and ARMEL, so the majority of development and debugging takes place on x86, with final packaging being for ARMEL." 5 star fucking idiot. Apr 23 18:12:50 * Navi runs Apr 23 18:12:53 Mikho, maemo is the development platform, Internet Tablet OS is the OS shipped with the 770, N800, N810 and N810W Apr 23 18:13:01 1. source! 2. missing logic (ie explain why with rootstraps available for both cpus, x86 is used until the late stages) 3. does the term rootstrap really add enough meaning to counter for its obscurity? this is a general encyclopedia, and articles should be written appropriately 4. ditto "final packaging" Apr 23 18:13:06 okay Apr 23 18:13:17 Hehe, I don't disagree that the SDK section sucks. Apr 23 18:13:33 But rather than blabbering about it on the talk page, I wish he would do something useful and fix it. Apr 23 18:14:15 as if he knew anything about the sdk or even linux/unix in general Apr 23 18:14:19 a rootstrap (after much pain on my part learning this) is just another word for chroot Apr 23 18:14:24 Definitely but we know he has a problem with adding to articles. Apr 23 18:14:50 Hopefully brontide jumps in there again Apr 23 18:14:53 and citing himself in a forum thread ... Apr 23 18:14:59 he seems to have the will and energy to fight idiocy. Apr 23 18:15:05 jott, yeah, impressive isn't it? Apr 23 18:15:30 I demand the purge of all stupid people Apr 23 18:15:33 starting with Navi Apr 23 18:15:35 I hate his guts Apr 23 18:15:52 Really? Apr 23 18:16:08 reminds me of a penny arcade strip "But if we kill anyone who's stupid or ugly we'll never make it out of the mall!" Apr 23 18:16:21 Haha Apr 23 18:16:22 lol Apr 23 18:16:32 I need to catch up on penny arcade strips Apr 23 18:16:39 that's a real old one Apr 23 18:20:11 Dead Rising was a fun one. Apr 23 18:20:52 Dead Rising is a funny game Apr 23 18:21:55 So uh, can anyone answer that question? I don't want to resort to the #c++ guys Apr 23 18:22:02 They're evil and trolly >_> Apr 23 18:22:26 and raped me when I was five years old Apr 23 18:22:35 s/raped/raeped/ Apr 23 18:22:35 Navi meant: and raeped me when I was five years old Apr 23 18:26:13 Navi: you can do thestring = string(cstring), if not Apr 23 18:26:35 or string thestring(cstring) Apr 23 18:26:50 kk, thanks :D Apr 23 18:29:00 (I suspect there's an assignment operator, but it's been a long time since I was forced to stoop to C++) Apr 23 18:32:54 Navi: it is not the C++ guys that is evil and trolly, it is C++. Apr 23 18:33:04 * mgedmin wonders why Navi doesn't just try it out and see Apr 23 18:33:27 * mgedmin was at one point honestly convinced C++ was a great programming language Apr 23 18:34:09 it's really what you make out of it. Apr 23 18:34:50 mgedmin: yay for the recklessness of the youth! :) Apr 23 18:35:36 jott: yeah, that is exactly the problem. C++ gives you lots of rope to hang yourself with. And everyone picks different ropes. Apr 23 18:35:59 Actually, there is a limited set of ropes Apr 23 18:36:10 nomis: just pick the right ones and use qt :> Apr 23 18:36:13 that's not the problem; the problem is that it requires you to wave your own ladder out of the rope instead of giving you an elevator Apr 23 18:36:22 s/wave/weave/ Apr 23 18:36:22 mgedmin meant: that's not the problem; the problem is that it requires you to weave your own ladder out of the rope instead of giving you an elevator Apr 23 18:36:30 thank you very much, infobot Apr 23 18:36:38 RST38h: I guess it is countable finite. Apr 23 18:36:51 *in*finite. Apr 23 18:36:52 anyway, what was the initial question/ Apr 23 18:38:00 elb, what do you work with nowadays, python? Ruby on Rails? Apr 23 18:38:14 whatever I choose Apr 23 18:38:19 mmk Apr 23 18:38:28 80% of what I do is in either C or Ruby (no rails) Apr 23 18:38:50 the other 20% is perl, python, tcl, whatever some specific project uses Apr 23 18:38:55 The RoR community is full of jerks :( Apr 23 18:39:10 well, if you discount Make and bourne ... those are a good 50% of my total output ;-) Apr 23 18:39:53 RST38h: I admittedly did not see it, I guess something like "How do I create a string object from a const char array" or "how do I assign a const char array to a string" or whatever. Stuff that should be easy but is full of traps. Apr 23 18:40:54 well most languages are full of traps if you are not used to them. Apr 23 18:41:49 jott: true. C++ is my special favourite though. Apr 23 18:42:57 * Navi likes ropes Apr 23 18:47:41 C++ is more full of traps than most Apr 23 18:48:04 I highly recommend Stroustrup's "Design and Evolution of The C++ Programming Language" (or something like that) Apr 23 18:48:08 it's ... instructive Apr 23 18:48:29 well it really depends on what parts you consider - stl/boost for example or with the great abstractions qt. Apr 23 18:48:36 * Navi needs ebook copies Apr 23 18:48:46 * nomis actually recommends the C++ FQA (sic!): http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Apr 23 18:48:50 If it doesn't fit in my pocket, it's likely that I'm not going to read it Apr 23 18:49:01 it definitely is biased but it has a lots of good points on why C++ is bad. Apr 23 18:50:20 it's like "the language has some subsets that contain flaws but you are fine not using them - still i use them as my main argument" Apr 23 18:50:59 (or atleast knowing the flaws) Apr 23 18:51:08 the thing about C++ is that you *can't* just ignore many parts of it Apr 23 18:51:17 people love to say you can, but mostly they dont' know enough of the language to know why it's dangerous Apr 23 18:51:23 C++ is "oh, lets do OO in C and trick the C programmers into thinking it is the same language and they would gain from their prior knowledge. Then we reuse all their operators with totally different semantics!" Apr 23 18:51:29 and as long as you don't hit the corner cases for the parts you don't understand, you're mostly OK Apr 23 18:51:37 but then when it explodes, figuring out why takes a true guru Apr 23 18:51:56 "lets use the shift operator for iostreams. That is clever!" Apr 23 18:52:04 it takes a guru meditation. Apr 23 18:52:39 SOFTWARE FAILURE. PRESS LEFT MOUSE BUTTON TO CONTINUE Apr 23 18:52:47 while the choice of operator for iostreams is a little lame, typed output is a nice idea Apr 23 18:52:50 and "std::cout << std::hex << std::setfill('0') << std::setw(8) << x << std::dec << std::endl;" is so much easier than "printf("0x%08xn", x)" Apr 23 18:52:55 I don't think iostreams got it right, but still Apr 23 18:53:17 * nomis loves how input with iostreams leads to endless loops on CTRL-D. Apr 23 18:54:03 nomis: this is just some cosmetic argument and it's not even valid in my eyes. Apr 23 18:54:27 jott: why? Apr 23 18:55:05 (cosmetics is btw. IMHO important. Not that C would be much better in that regard) Apr 23 18:56:16 ruby give love, try to beat that :p Apr 23 18:56:52 nomis: 1) you can use printf in c++ or some other function for special purposes. 2) you could also just stream some complex objects as a counter example and then the printf would look ugly Apr 23 18:56:55 gimp on the N800 is disturbingly usable O_o Apr 23 18:57:28 jott: yeah, if your complex has exactly one desired output. Typically this is not true though. Apr 23 18:57:50 e.g. one human readable and one serialized form of your complex object. Apr 23 18:57:50 printf("%s",my_object_to_string(OBJECT_CAST(object))); std::out << object; Apr 23 18:58:49 jott: is the latter the serialized form that gets sent to the network or the form that gets printed to the terminal? Apr 23 18:59:18 well fwiw, std::out << object.toString(); Apr 23 18:59:53 jott: ok, but then we're at the same level as the printf again: printf ("%s", object.toString()); Apr 23 19:00:06 oh wait, we probably need object.toString().c_str() Apr 23 19:00:31 see it's a really pointless discussion Apr 23 19:01:29 :) Apr 23 19:01:42 nomis: The answer is "string objects are evil" Apr 23 19:01:48 Don't use them Apr 23 19:02:30 the fun really starts when you try to figure out why the C++ compilers have to be so dog slow. It is a problem inherent to the language. Apr 23 19:02:41 (it is not context free) Apr 23 19:02:47 C++ compilers are not slow Apr 23 19:03:08 RST38h: compared to C compilers? They are. By a huge difference. Apr 23 19:03:15 If you mean that you can write slower code using C++, it is true, but why blame the compiler? Apr 23 19:03:30 RST38h: I mean the actual act of compiling. Not the resulting binary. Apr 23 19:03:47 GCC works at the same speed for me Apr 23 19:03:49 C or C++ Apr 23 19:05:38 RST38h: mhm. Whenever I have to compile (even small) C++ programs it feels like ages. Ok, granted, I usually run my Laptop at 600MHz, but pure C programs are compiled in a snap. Apr 23 19:06:01 Are you using templates? Apr 23 19:06:18 g++ is absolutely slower than C++, with or without templates Apr 23 19:06:42 trantor: {976} C++ Apr 23 19:06:42 C++: Command not found. Apr 23 19:06:48 What is "C++" ? Apr 23 19:06:57 err, g++ is absolutely slower than gcc Apr 23 19:06:57 typo Apr 23 19:07:08 Both will compile C++ code though Apr 23 19:07:11 RST38h: well, not intentionally, but it is hard to avoid with the standard libraries. Apr 23 19:07:20 nomis: So you are using STL? Apr 23 19:07:43 RST38h: I guess that most of the programs I compile do use STL, yes. Apr 23 19:07:45 a C "hello world" takes about 1.5x as long to compile in g++ as gcc, with hot caches Apr 23 19:07:55 nomis: Here is the answer to your question then Apr 23 19:08:25 nomis: Do not use STL. And your C++ compiler will run like a cheeta Apr 23 19:08:35 RST38h: that is not the only problem. Apr 23 19:08:48 nomis: Believe me, that IS the only problem ;) Apr 23 19:08:58 did you not read what I just wrote? Apr 23 19:09:12 *hello world* takes 1.5x as long with C++, and it's a trivial example Apr 23 19:09:14 RST38h: as I said earlier: C++ is not context free, that means the compiler has to try a lot of different approaches for some statements to compile them properly. Apr 23 19:09:34 elb: takes same time for me Apr 23 19:09:46 RST38h: then you're not using the same g++ I am Apr 23 19:09:52 nomis: could ou give an example Apr 23 19:09:59 (4.1.3) Apr 23 19:10:02 elb: maybe Apr 23 19:10:26 using and std::cout instead of and printf takes the c++ example to *four times* slower Apr 23 19:10:31 RST38h: a line like "AA BB(CC);" is impossible to parse without knowing what AA, BB and CC actually are Apr 23 19:10:33 3.4.2 here Apr 23 19:10:37 it's a more complicated language, there's no getting around that Apr 23 19:10:48 and to claim that doesn't affect the compiler is disingenuous Apr 23 19:11:09 elb: do not use iostream and srtd:out Apr 23 19:11:26 RST38h: (is it an function prototype or a object instanciation?) Apr 23 19:11:28 yes, polymorphism slows the compiler down a *lot* Apr 23 19:11:48 that is not even a problem with polymorphy. It is a problem of a bad grammar. Apr 23 19:12:15 yeah, I misparsed your statement Apr 23 19:12:19 but polymorphism also does so :-) Apr 23 19:12:32 because there may be more than one applicable function to a given context, and one of them is "more correct" than another Apr 23 19:12:43 (due to, e.g., possible implicit casts) Apr 23 19:12:50 true. Apr 23 19:12:52 or simply finding the possible casts, for that matter Apr 23 19:13:37 so ... I guess if you don't know how C++ works, and you don't time an actual C++ compiler, you can claim it compiles just as fast ;-) Apr 23 19:14:41 nomis: and how does this slow things down? Apr 23 19:16:28 RST38h: the compiler has to look up AA, BB and CC among lots of different language elements (Types, currently defined variables/objects etc.) Apr 23 19:16:35 elb: Close but not exactly like that Apr 23 19:16:50 RST38h: A C compiler can look up CC in the types database and if it is not in there --> Bang! it gives an error. Apr 23 19:16:58 elb: I am aware of how C++ works, so I use only those features of C++ that I really need and that do not slow me down Apr 23 19:17:11 nomis: But C++ compiler also makes a database like that Apr 23 19:17:16 It makes a tree basically Apr 23 19:17:33 RST38h: A C++ compier might look in the type database, not find it there, then look it up among the currently defined variables. Apr 23 19:17:46 RST38h: oh, so I assume you never use polymorphism, virtual functions, or inheritance? Apr 23 19:17:51 re Apr 23 19:17:51 because all three of those slow the compiler down Apr 23 19:18:03 It should always be in the type database, just in several different places in a tree Apr 23 19:18:04 it has to do some more operations until it finally can figure out if that statement is correct or not. Apr 23 19:18:12 elb: I use these every now and then Apr 23 19:18:14 RST38h: no! Apr 23 19:18:16 elb: But sparingly Apr 23 19:18:29 it does have to do a few more operations but not by much Apr 23 19:18:30 RST38h: it might be an defined object, which would make it a constructor invocation. Apr 23 19:18:42 I just use C, and C++ doesn't slow me down at all ;-) Apr 23 19:19:07 if I want objects, I jump to something at a higher level Apr 23 19:19:19 (typically ruby) Apr 23 19:19:30 although it has its own unfortunate interactions Apr 23 19:20:14 nomis: So, it will check another tree, and? Apr 23 19:20:37 RST38h: the compiler has to try different approaches of compiling said statement before it can determine if a statement is correct or not. That slows it down drastically. It might even have to try the other approaches if it found a valid one. Apr 23 19:21:02 nomis: Do you know how expensive is looking up an item in a tree? Apr 23 19:21:07 How about a hash? Apr 23 19:21:35 RST38h: I know that two lookups in two trees are twice as expensive as one lookup in one tree. Apr 23 19:22:00 And one disk access is 100 times as expensive :) Apr 23 19:22:12 in fact, in some cases it has to look up *every* possible interpretation Apr 23 19:22:19 because what is a conflict in one context may be legal in another Apr 23 19:22:52 and yes, that's an excellent point -- C++ does make far more disk accesses Apr 23 19:23:03 RST38h: please read up a bit about why everything more complicated than a LALR(1) grammar is basically insanely hard to parse. Context sensitive Grammars are way more complicated than LALR. Apr 23 19:23:07 as its base set of definitions and standard components is rather larger Apr 23 19:23:32 "rather larger" is how much? Apr 23 19:23:48 RST38h: by "context sensitive" I don't mean some vague feeling, I mean hard CS concepts. Apr 23 19:24:46 to be fair, C isn't LALR(1) either Apr 23 19:25:14 As far as I know, both are LALR(1) Apr 23 19:25:25 let me verify Apr 23 19:25:27 elb: eh, why? Apr 23 19:25:33 I don't remember Apr 23 19:25:37 elb: because of the preprocessor? Apr 23 19:26:06 but we definitely went over this in one of my undergrad courses oh-so-long-ago Apr 23 19:26:21 Google says C++ is LALR(1) Apr 23 19:26:50 a LALR(1) parser can read C++ syntax at some level, but it may not be compilable without farther checks Apr 23 19:27:01 because syntax and semantics get confused Apr 23 19:27:15 the very example nomis gave above is not LALR(1) in just three tokens Apr 23 19:27:20 ok, I'll buy that Apr 23 19:27:56 I won't buy "c++ compiler slower than c" part though Apr 23 19:28:02 RST38h: take the example above: you have to know (it is not immediately obvious from the grammar) if CC is a type or an object before you're able to parse the statement (into two totally different things) Apr 23 19:28:18 Don't you goddamn STL and those bloody iostreams that are only good for textbook examples Apr 23 19:28:36 Use printf() as all normal people do, and implement your *own* data structures. Apr 23 19:29:00 oh, and yes -- templates are *completely* not lalr(1) Apr 23 19:29:13 screw templates together with STL Apr 23 19:29:14 but we've already put those out of scope Apr 23 19:29:19 elb: well, yeah. But we seem to agree anyway that templates are bad :) Apr 23 19:29:40 templates as decorations are interesting Apr 23 19:29:45 but ... not worth using C++ :-) Apr 23 19:30:00 C++ gives you data and function encapsulation Apr 23 19:30:09 that is what it is worth using for Apr 23 19:30:53 RST38h: weeell, we now could start arguing if this is not just syntactic sugar and if the method as used by glib enables you to do this as well. Apr 23 19:30:55 the rest (templates, exceptions, RTTI, STL, other shit) isn't of much use Apr 23 19:31:12 nomis: You know better than me that the method used by glib is an abomination Apr 23 19:31:36 Yes, it works. No, it is *not* pretty and damn hard to maintain Apr 23 19:31:36 RST38h: I disagree. Apr 23 19:32:02 RST38h: it is not pretty, true, but it gives you tools that C++ does not give you. Apr 23 19:32:20 no type checking whatsoever Apr 23 19:32:29 RST38h: huh? Apr 23 19:32:41 not clear what to do with pointers you are getting as results Apr 23 19:32:55 do you free() them? do you g_free() them? do you unreference-count them? Apr 23 19:33:00 RST38h: all the Type-Casting macros do type checking if you don't optimize it away. Apr 23 19:33:06 do you g_free_xxx_object() them? Apr 23 19:33:17 I am probably optimizing them away Apr 23 19:33:31 Otherwise it would run slow, wouldn't it? :) Apr 23 19:33:41 RST38h: the key is to read the stuff that glib spits out at runtime and take the warnings seriously. Apr 23 19:33:56 nomis: thanks, but I will take comile-time checks. Apr 23 19:34:04 c++ has them Apr 23 19:34:18 RST38h: C++ has no dynamic type system though. Apr 23 19:34:29 Which sucks badly sometimes. Apr 23 19:34:29 what's wrong with STL? Apr 23 19:35:17 * nomis has to run, sorry. Apr 23 19:35:43 Mikho: slow to compile, difficult to debug, full of cruft Apr 23 19:35:55 And you need a BOOK to use it Apr 23 19:36:16 Wherever you need a book to use something, it is probably not worth using Apr 23 19:36:27 Actually I wish I had a book Apr 23 19:37:09 The reason I'm using it, is because I don't want to program every container type myself Apr 23 19:37:18 are there really any good alternatives? Apr 23 19:38:50 better languages ;-) Apr 23 19:39:05 * elb passes out the free Objective C Apr 23 19:39:18 re Apr 23 19:39:23 hehe Apr 23 19:40:03 better languages with C compability? Apr 23 19:40:24 Mikho: C ;) Apr 23 19:40:38 Lol Apr 23 19:40:41 ? Apr 23 19:43:22 is there OpenStep for the tablets? :P Apr 23 19:43:27 In fact with the right tools C is quite nice - of course there are better languages, but this does not include C++ Apr 23 19:43:35 pupnik_: yes Apr 23 19:44:03 I don't like the type casting macros either Apr 23 19:44:29 you kidding flo_lap? url? Apr 23 19:44:31 Type-checking runtime is not as good as type-checking compile-time Apr 23 19:47:54 pupnik_: well... almost: http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=Maemo-Edition&referer=About Apr 23 19:48:36 Mikho: What is wrong with programming your own data structures? Apr 23 19:48:44 Only takes a few minutes after a while Apr 23 20:41:58 lol @ anonymous changes to the maemo wikipedia page Apr 23 20:42:20 This cracked me up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TE Apr 23 20:48:56 Hahaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Possible_use_of_ITOS_in_phones Apr 23 20:49:01 That's beautiful Apr 23 20:49:19 maemo now has blood on its hands. Apr 23 20:50:10 GeneralAntilles: do you know if it's possible for a wlan driver to alert (via sound or something) when it gets DEAUTH'd? Apr 23 20:50:13 hehe yeah. have you seen the guerillia changes to the security section? ;) Apr 23 20:50:31 pupnik: dbus ? Apr 23 20:50:40 i mean listen for dbus message? Apr 23 20:50:45 ah Apr 23 20:51:02 ah already reverted Apr 23 20:51:14 i don't have time to try. But seems like in general, it'd be a useful thing for linuxy wlan drivers/clients to do. Apr 23 20:51:24 could be annoying Apr 23 20:51:25 :) Apr 23 20:52:01 anyone know wtf is the difference between rss feed and rss channel? Apr 23 20:52:29 there can be multiple feed of one in other? Apr 23 20:52:38 or other way round Apr 23 20:52:39 :) Apr 23 20:53:32 uuuh Apr 23 20:53:39 seems like what i was after then Apr 23 20:55:37 Haha, jott, that's awesome. Apr 23 20:55:41 "e.g. by installing a keylogger to steal email and pornography passwords." Apr 23 20:56:08 "meaning that a hostile application could easily seize ultimate climate control over a machine where this password has not been changed and start killing virtual kittens." Apr 23 20:56:20 climate control? Apr 23 20:56:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=207689252 Apr 23 20:56:37 trollish Apr 23 21:02:38 KotCzarny: actually read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&diff=207689252&oldid=207687931 :) Apr 23 21:02:49 i don't know if i want.. Apr 23 21:02:51 :) Apr 23 21:02:55 yuv420. heh heh heh. Apr 23 21:03:12 (and yes it's a trollish parody of a trollish original section :) Apr 23 21:03:18 :) Apr 23 21:05:16 Oh, the meanwhile guy continues on his crusade? Apr 23 21:05:30 It's becoming quite the spectacle. Apr 23 21:08:02 The key is, as always, making him kill himself Apr 23 21:08:33 Preferably while being online, although I understand we can't hope for a live video feed of the event Apr 23 21:09:11 man, i was all excited cause i got mitter running well on the n810, till i closed it Apr 23 21:11:05 does anyone know of a command within terminal to display the properties of a device/directory? like the size of it Apr 23 21:11:23 df Apr 23 21:12:08 thanks Apr 23 21:15:53 do you know what the terminal command is to change directories back one level? Apr 23 21:16:07 cd ..l Apr 23 21:16:09 cd ../ Apr 23 21:16:17 cd .. Apr 23 21:17:12 thanks i didn't know that you had to put the spaces Apr 23 21:17:22 it's not winDOS Apr 23 21:17:43 but you can always set up an alias Apr 23 21:27:30 argh! Apr 23 21:43:07 i can not get a partition on my mmc to mount. is this because i set a boot flag to the partition? Apr 23 21:43:43 Over USB? Apr 23 21:44:27 Hello, is there anybody here who could help me out? Apr 23 21:44:32 what do you mean over usb? Apr 23 21:44:57 I am trying to install a .tgz file on my N770. Apr 23 21:45:08 i'm trying to mount it using mount /dev/mmc2blk0p2 /opt and it says mounting failed Apr 23 21:45:38 Dylan_, extracting it to /usr/local/bin is the way to go. Apr 23 21:45:48 Jsn0327: Ah, excuse me then. Apr 23 21:46:09 jsn: do dmesg|tail -n 30 Apr 23 21:46:14 Exactly how do I do that? :p Apr 23 21:46:15 it may tell you what's wrong Apr 23 21:46:23 But have you inserted modules for filesystem etc? Apr 23 21:47:38 Dylan_, get the .tgz to /usr/local/bin Apr 23 21:47:43 (you may have to create it) Apr 23 21:47:53 and expand it with tar Apr 23 21:48:01 ga, your advice may be wrong Apr 23 21:48:04 KotCzarny: that output doesn't say anything about the mmc except "setting voltage 'vmmc' to 300 mV Apr 23 21:48:09 you don't know that's in that .tgz file Apr 23 21:48:18 It is. Apr 23 21:48:19 jasn: try to mount, then do the dmesg Apr 23 21:49:03 i just did that. it says EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled like 10 times Apr 23 21:49:07 Thank you for the help, GeneralAntilles. Apr 23 21:50:04 jsn: pasting error message may be helpful Apr 23 21:50:13 (from the mount) Apr 23 21:50:33 i know that the partition is good, when i connect it to my ubuntu desktop via the usb cable it brings up both of the partitions on the mmc Apr 23 21:50:52 Jsn0327: Also post the result of lsmod if you can too. Apr 23 21:51:00 you can't have partition mounted in both places at one time Apr 23 21:51:04 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed Apr 23 21:51:13 Out of curiousity, has any one tried installing other OS's on the N770? Apr 23 21:51:18 well, oyu can, but your data will be deadbits then Apr 23 21:51:23 so Apr 23 21:51:30 i figured out why it keeps rebooting Apr 23 21:51:44 jsn: nothing else? Apr 23 21:51:45 don't ln -s all of /var/cache to /media/mmc2/*/var/cache Apr 23 21:51:54 hal will get mad at you Apr 23 21:52:02 and not open the pod bay doors anymore Apr 23 21:52:08 mousey: life, you can ln, but you have to mount it early Apr 23 21:52:11 very early Apr 23 21:52:23 or Apr 23 21:52:24 hmm Apr 23 21:52:29 no thats all from the mount. i'm trying to open up irc on the tablet to past the lsmod Apr 23 21:52:35 i can just remain ignorant ^_^ Apr 23 21:52:42 any idea how to replace SDL_GetTicks with a standard system function? Apr 23 21:52:51 lcuk: what does it do? Apr 23 21:52:56 it gets the ticks.. Apr 23 21:53:03 like time() ? Apr 23 21:53:03 incrimenting timer Apr 23 21:53:03 :) Apr 23 21:53:09 MS resolution Apr 23 21:53:27 i think there is a function to get higher res timers Apr 23 21:53:43 yer i would think so as well, it appears to be the only thing still requiring sdl Apr 23 21:54:06 * lcuk is up to his armpits in a code reorganization Apr 23 21:54:06 i think time() returns time_t strict Apr 23 21:54:10 <^Jsn^> this is the first time that i've gotten to try out the new bluetooth keyboard with irc. i like it Apr 23 21:54:12 which has us too Apr 23 21:54:24 <^Jsn^> here is my lsmod Apr 23 21:54:31 or was it another one Apr 23 21:54:46 time is to the second Apr 23 21:54:55 <^Jsn^> Module Size Used by Apr 23 21:55:02 jsn: pastebin.com Apr 23 21:55:07 not very good when i am trying to pull out fast things, ill look from there thx kot Apr 23 21:55:19 man utime Apr 23 21:55:20 :) Apr 23 21:55:20 <^Jsn^> ok Apr 23 21:55:25 erm, sorry Apr 23 21:55:32 that's for files Apr 23 21:56:26 lcuk: man gettimeofday -> tv_usec Apr 23 21:56:42 yeah, that's the name Apr 23 21:57:16 you can also set up a timer for you Apr 23 21:57:17 alright i just posted it under jason Apr 23 21:57:31 jsn: link Apr 23 21:57:50 <^Jsn^> http://pastebin.com/m4f00bb89 Apr 23 21:58:15 thx jott Apr 23 21:58:16 what is filesystem on the partition you are mounting Apr 23 21:58:28 Insert correct modules. Apr 23 21:58:37 ext 2 Apr 23 21:59:05 qwerty12: talkin to me? Apr 23 21:59:33 Jsn0327: Yes. For ext2, lts smething llike mbcache, jbd and ext2 Apr 23 22:00:17 Insmod them from /mnt/initfs/llib/modules/2.6.21-o Apr 23 22:00:18 qwerty: about your earlier question about modprobe, just symlink or copy modules to /lib/modules Apr 23 22:00:19 :) Apr 23 22:00:42 cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/* /lib/modules/ Apr 23 22:00:43 :) Apr 23 22:01:01 KotCzarny: Thanks :), some things I got depend on modprobe Apr 23 22:01:58 qwerty12_N800: http://sse2.net/depmod <- you might also want to run this after you have the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) Apr 23 22:02:16 jott: usually modprobe.dep file exists Apr 23 22:02:28 it's the matter of copying modules tree to the proper place Apr 23 22:02:29 :) Apr 23 22:02:39 jott: Many thanks Apr 23 22:02:52 KotCzarny: Not on my n800 :) Apr 23 22:03:06 KotCzarny: no modprobe.dep here and not for new modules either Apr 23 22:03:09 on mine it is Apr 23 22:03:11 i believe Apr 23 22:03:12 :) Apr 23 22:03:22 jott: but if you compile your own kjernel Apr 23 22:03:28 and issue make modules_install Apr 23 22:03:37 it will run depmod -a on your new moduels dir Apr 23 22:03:47 then if you copy that dir you will have it Apr 23 22:04:12 but depmod is missing :) Apr 23 22:04:29 but it's only needed when you copy single module file Apr 23 22:04:42 not the whole dir after make modules_install Apr 23 22:04:43 :) Apr 23 22:05:01 that was it. thanks alot! Apr 23 22:05:27 Thanks both :). This will make things easier. I'm trying to get flashcam to run on my n8800. After messing in sbox, I got Apr 23 22:05:37 n880? Apr 23 22:05:38 o.o Apr 23 22:05:46 module and prog to build Apr 23 22:06:02 Lol, hildon kbd messing me around :p Apr 23 22:06:13 n8800 even Apr 23 22:06:14 :) Apr 23 22:06:22 Jsn0327: Great :) Apr 23 22:06:35 It has omap3 :p Apr 23 22:06:48 it has or it hasn't Apr 23 22:06:57 no one knows, yet Apr 23 22:07:53 does anyone know the terminal command to remove a directory and all contents inside? Apr 23 22:08:01 rm -rf Apr 23 22:08:15 thanks i tried rm but i didn't know about the flags Apr 23 22:08:21 heh Apr 23 22:08:23 read manuals Apr 23 22:08:29 I once did that with / >.< Apr 23 22:08:32 if you don't have a linux system Apr 23 22:08:36 jut google for: man rm Apr 23 22:09:16 believe me i do read the manuals. i'm just trying to do this quickly. i don't have time to go threw manuals for one command Apr 23 22:09:36 :) Apr 23 22:09:45 but you will be using it often Apr 23 22:09:49 so it's good to know Apr 23 22:11:20 I should build man for myself and move docpurge script. I have quite a bit to learn tbh with myself. Apr 23 22:11:29 nah. Apr 23 22:11:35 just do man in sbox Apr 23 22:11:39 :) Apr 23 22:15:24 I'm not always near my comp though :). I wish Linux could have more sense though. I was trying to run a program and I set it executable and place it in bin and it says it isn't found. Of course, a day later I realise It's a script and was trying to call bash which I didn't have at the time. If it said bash not found, I'd have understood a lot faster. Apr 23 22:15:44 I posted in ITT but will try here; cannot edit my google group - cannot select text area. Last comment on this is back in 12/2007 re: google spreadsheet. Has there been a solution found? Apr 23 22:16:16 qwerty: it's not linux but default shell i guess Apr 23 22:17:04 KotCzarny: True. I guess I am in wrong habit of classifying everything as linux :/ Apr 23 22:17:38 :) Apr 23 22:18:00 i think busybox can be compiled for m$ windows too Apr 23 22:18:30 cygwin? Apr 23 22:19:15 for example Apr 23 22:19:35 KotCzarny: Probably go well together :p..Cut down things... Apr 23 22:19:35 But since Apr 23 22:19:35 eek hildon kbd :( Apr 23 22:20:37 But since I got N800 and realised I work well with linux, I haven't booted in windows for months except recently to try and flash dead p1i I have. Apr 23 22:20:53 :) Apr 23 22:21:15 im waiting on mine, anxiously Apr 23 22:21:47 NullM0dem: N8*0? Apr 23 22:22:02 n810, n800 Apr 23 22:22:18 still tossing it, i mat get both... one for my brother Apr 23 22:22:31 don't forget to repartition sd drive on n810 Apr 23 22:22:39 factory default is broken afair Apr 23 22:23:25 ill read into that, thanks! Apr 23 22:24:45 hm the nokia tube will already be out this summer?! Apr 23 22:25:10 The S60 touch phone? Apr 23 22:25:34 yes. Apr 23 22:25:52 will it run maemo? Apr 23 22:26:09 no but it will probably have an omap3. Apr 23 22:26:10 No, Mousey. Apr 23 22:26:11 if it's s60 it will run symbian os Apr 23 22:26:20 oooh.. Apr 23 22:26:24 * Mousey stops caring ^_^ Apr 23 22:26:35 Ah, I'm not keen on that. I think Nokia should have put standard s60 buttons as the range of apps available for s60 is amazing Apr 23 22:26:54 And Apr 23 22:27:10 no touchscreen means less, if any, compatibity Apr 23 22:27:44 I mean no buttons Apr 23 22:28:14 so it's an indicator for the omap3 platform availability at nokia and i doubt a n900 will be out before an s60 device with omap3 is out. Apr 23 22:30:07 will rhapsody play realmedia video? Apr 23 22:30:33 real media is meh. Apr 23 22:30:51 maybe, but i have two episodes of Trigun i MUST WATCH Apr 23 22:30:57 transcode Apr 23 22:30:57 they're regrettably rm Apr 23 22:31:05 i'm missing drv2.so or some such Apr 23 22:31:23 on pc or nokia? Apr 23 22:31:29 debian Apr 23 22:31:51 grab the mplayer-codecs package Apr 23 22:31:56 it's in the w32codecs package, but not the w64codecs pack Apr 23 22:32:09 curse rm for binary drivers Apr 23 22:32:09 ...or i just play them in rhapsody? Apr 23 22:32:18 =) Apr 23 22:32:29 can't helix play rms? Apr 23 22:32:44 * Mousey apt-cache search's helix Apr 23 22:34:25 Does our Internet Tablets have the real binary codec? Apr 23 22:37:36 * Mousey writes a gnarly script to remove all -dev and -dbg packages and free up all kindsa space on his / Apr 23 22:38:05 * Mousey KNOWS you don't care, Mousey goes off to bother another #channel Apr 23 22:38:18 dev packages are quite useful Apr 23 22:45:33 so Apr 23 22:45:40 i bought my n800 this morning Apr 23 22:45:44 :) Apr 23 22:45:46 how is it Apr 23 22:45:47 $150 online Apr 23 22:45:50 wow Apr 23 22:45:51 not here yet =P Apr 23 22:45:56 with s&h ? Apr 23 22:45:59 and tax? Apr 23 22:46:08 nah $9 fedex standard shipping Apr 23 22:46:09 no tax Apr 23 22:46:14 where did you pick it up? Apr 23 22:46:15 so $159 total Apr 23 22:46:16 not a bad deal Apr 23 22:46:25 overstockdealz.com Apr 23 22:46:35 its $175 listed then i offered them 150 Apr 23 22:46:50 and was like ebay its selling for 140 but id rather buy on this site Apr 23 22:46:51 lol Apr 23 22:46:58 a mixutre of bluffing and kissup Apr 23 22:46:59 it worked Apr 23 22:47:12 is ebay selling them for 140? Apr 23 22:47:12 :) Apr 23 22:47:16 no =) Apr 23 22:47:32 i wonder if they find out Apr 23 22:47:33 :) Apr 23 22:47:40 or if you get your device Apr 23 22:47:40 ;) Apr 23 22:47:52 shipping out of tenessee tomorrow at 8am Apr 23 22:48:08 you will get finely packaged brick Apr 23 22:48:08 :> Apr 23 22:48:11 what kindof cards should i get Apr 23 22:48:23 4gb micro sdhc Apr 23 22:48:29 toshiba 32GB SDHC!! Apr 23 22:48:32 two of them!! Apr 23 22:48:33 n800 uses standard sized sd Apr 23 22:48:35 ^_^ Apr 23 22:48:40 :< Apr 23 22:48:44 so 2gb is max per slot? Apr 23 22:48:45 why ':<' Apr 23 22:48:47 it's good Apr 23 22:48:50 oh Apr 23 22:48:54 tsavola: 32gb! Apr 23 22:48:56 sd == sd and sdhc Apr 23 22:49:08 i thought you meant non hc lol Apr 23 22:49:08 the 800 takles 32gb? Apr 23 22:49:08 okay Apr 23 22:49:17 NullM0dem: well i know it does 16gb Apr 23 22:49:21 My N810 should be in this week :-) Apr 23 22:49:21 so i hope it does 32 Apr 23 22:49:21 NullM0dem, the hardware is limited to 2048GB Apr 23 22:49:24 that's when i get mine Apr 23 22:49:37 GeneralAntilles: that's a lot of GBs Apr 23 22:49:37 :) Apr 23 22:49:52 Ive read the n810 takes less than the n800 has this changed? Apr 23 22:49:57 hey.... could you raid0 the cards? o_0 Apr 23 22:50:05 NullM0dem: the n810 [which i have currently] only takes 1 miniSD Apr 23 22:50:07 that would be odd :-P Apr 23 22:50:10 Or plug in an hard drive :p Apr 23 22:50:17 tsukasa_: unionfs Apr 23 22:50:32 tsukasa_: my idea was LVM, but unionfs is probably a better solution Apr 23 22:50:36 nah Apr 23 22:50:38 too much fuss Apr 23 22:50:46 and 4gb is more than enough Apr 23 22:50:50 HA! Apr 23 22:50:52 well its still interesting from a technical standpoint Apr 23 22:50:55 no its not rofl Apr 23 22:51:02 clearly your anime/music collection is quite small Apr 23 22:51:09 /porn Apr 23 22:51:15 ever heard about network drive? Apr 23 22:51:16 :) Apr 23 22:51:22 my n800 will be my external USB storage for my n810 Apr 23 22:51:28 Housey: do you have a 16gb card in your n810 ? Apr 23 22:51:31 lol Apr 23 22:51:33 why usb Apr 23 22:51:36 sshfs is better Apr 23 22:51:37 :) Apr 23 22:51:42 scp Apr 23 22:51:43 KotCzarny: but USB is faster =) Apr 23 22:51:49 mousey: prove it Apr 23 22:51:50 :) Apr 23 22:51:52 uh Apr 23 22:51:57 ok, lemme borrow your n800 Apr 23 22:51:58 ;) Apr 23 22:52:12 ok, but i won't let you see my data Apr 23 22:52:13 Muhahahaz Apr 23 22:52:13 :) Apr 23 22:52:23 fine, i just want it for the slots anyway Apr 23 22:52:27 perv. Apr 23 22:52:30 ^________^ Apr 23 22:52:40 it has a soul too, you know? Apr 23 22:52:54 so you can use it as a usb drive? what connector? Apr 23 22:52:57 it wouldn't be any fun to corrupt without a soul Apr 23 22:53:04 its not usb <-> usb is it Apr 23 22:53:04 tsukasa_: microUSB to mini Apr 23 22:53:05 tsukasa: miniusb afair Apr 23 22:53:10 oh Apr 23 22:53:16 im buying a ts-7800 to build as a cusotm fileserver / media player, in wish i wish to interface form the nokia. Apr 23 22:53:30 the ts-7800 is an arm based embedded board Apr 23 22:53:36 i have the microUSB host cable, so all i need is the n800 to mount the fs's on my n810 Apr 23 22:53:37 nullm0dem: does it have sshd ? Apr 23 22:53:38 :) Apr 23 22:53:43 yit runs debain Apr 23 22:53:49 yit has whatever i want it too :P Apr 23 22:53:52 then sshfs Apr 23 22:53:55 or anything Apr 23 22:53:56 :) Apr 23 22:53:59 aaaaaaaaaaanything Apr 23 22:54:02 except LVM Apr 23 22:54:18 darn. my head hurts Apr 23 22:54:21 ^_^ Apr 23 22:54:21 i hate summer Apr 23 22:54:52 heres the link if interested http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 Apr 23 22:55:00 the site is hosted on the board as well Apr 23 22:55:12 ddos? Apr 23 22:55:13 Cons: will only see 14.9 gb, tried LL format made no difference..oh well its still 14.9 gbs Apr 23 22:55:16 anyone? Apr 23 22:55:21 god i hate newegg reviews Apr 23 22:55:23 people are so stupid Apr 23 22:55:35 wow pc104 Apr 23 22:55:38 yep Apr 23 22:55:45 that goes hand in hand with laptops... Cons: has vista Apr 23 22:55:54 sigh Apr 23 22:56:02 cons: has windows Apr 23 22:56:21 cons: isn't free Apr 23 22:56:32 cons: has antivirus software! Apr 23 22:56:46 cons: doesn't do what i want it to do without me telling it to do it Apr 23 22:57:05 cons: steals your money and spies on your parents Apr 23 22:57:14 cons: doesn't walk the dog Apr 23 22:57:36 cons: steals your girlfriend Apr 23 22:57:47 that's useful sometimes Apr 23 22:58:08 good point Apr 23 22:58:40 wow Apr 23 22:58:46 why is 10 gigabit so expensive Apr 23 22:58:52 $35000 Apr 23 22:58:52 because. Apr 23 22:58:55 :) Apr 23 22:59:08 just remember what was the price for 10mbit 10 years ago Apr 23 22:59:11 is it normally that high for new ethernet standards? Apr 23 22:59:28 lol idremember Apr 23 23:00:59 i wonder why they arent more worried about the rest of the bottlenecks out there Apr 23 23:01:51 i remember when 1Gb was expensive. now it comes free with your happy meal Apr 23 23:02:18 i remember when 20 megs was expensive Apr 23 23:02:20 but now happy meal is expensive Apr 23 23:02:25 ;) Apr 23 23:04:20 Un-brickable design ensures 100% recoverability from SD card in case of onboard flash erasure. Apr 23 23:04:22 nice Apr 23 23:04:25 yes Apr 23 23:04:31 nokia should include feature like this Apr 23 23:05:05 I couldant decide if i wanted the n8*0 or that board first, Should be alot of fun to play with Apr 23 23:05:15 uhum Apr 23 23:05:27 just decide based on what features you need more Apr 23 23:05:34 portable tablet or home server Apr 23 23:05:35 :) Apr 23 23:05:53 home server can be done on free p3 box :) Apr 23 23:06:03 well they will be symbiotic to each other Apr 23 23:06:22 true Apr 23 23:06:34 but this is lowpowerd with ARM ;-) Apr 23 23:07:26 otoh nokia's prices are falling all the time Apr 23 23:09:36 hmm Apr 23 23:09:41 i could use third screen Apr 23 23:09:57 irc/epsxe/web/txt Apr 23 23:13:10 wow, i just read the n8*0's swap to flash.. Is that default? Apr 23 23:14:04 I would think swap would be turned off Apr 23 23:16:10 ? Apr 23 23:16:15 nope Apr 23 23:16:20 it's not enabled by default Apr 23 23:16:25 but useful sometimes Apr 23 23:18:08 ok thanks Apr 23 23:18:45 ive been reading pretty much every google hit i can find, some mis info out there Apr 23 23:19:08 :) Apr 23 23:19:11 yup Apr 23 23:19:19 i have not bought a handheld since the ipaq 39xx series Apr 23 23:19:27 felt ripped off Apr 23 23:19:29 :) Apr 23 23:20:25 :) Apr 23 23:20:40 NullM0dem: i don't know how much of a linux0r you are, but my n810 is the best handheld i've ever even heard of Apr 23 23:20:44 much less owned Apr 23 23:20:51 i don't even carry a notebook anymore Apr 23 23:21:02 not that i'm a nokia fan or anything Apr 23 23:21:05 ive used linux since 2000 as my primary os Apr 23 23:21:11 mainly slack and debian Apr 23 23:21:13 nice Apr 23 23:21:18 well then you'll love the n810 Apr 23 23:21:48 I switched to linux for the free programming tools, and the baility to read source:) Apr 23 23:21:50 i can't speak about the 800, i couldn't own a handheld without a keyboard. but i'm clearly not the majority Apr 23 23:22:22 i dont have patiencs for stylus typing Apr 23 23:22:28 Stylus typing is lame Apr 23 23:22:33 Fullscreen keyboard is the way to go. Apr 23 23:22:47 I type too much, I have been looking at the frogpads on think geek, anyone use these? Apr 23 23:22:57 Just get an iGo Apr 23 23:23:02 The frogpad is way too expensive. Apr 23 23:23:07 ill check it out Apr 23 23:23:23 fullscreen keyboards shorten touchscreen lives Apr 23 23:23:26 hardware keyboard! Apr 23 23:23:45 Pfft Apr 23 23:23:53 Hardware keyboards kill features. Apr 23 23:23:57 lies! Apr 23 23:24:04 hardware keyboard IS the feature! =P Apr 23 23:24:06 iGo is the brandname? Apr 23 23:24:11 yes Apr 23 23:24:17 google for 'igo slim' Apr 23 23:24:23 or 'igo ultra slim' Apr 23 23:45:34 Is anyone else experiencing a problem with file handles remaining open in chinook? I have a piece of code writing a file, fopen(), fwrite(), fflush() and then fclose(), but afterwards trying to delete that file in the file manager it reports that "the file is in use" Apr 23 23:52:00 Lateralus: you could use "fuser filename" to check which pid still has the file open Apr 23 23:52:27 and also make sure to check the return value of the f*() functions Apr 23 23:53:11 so relocating /usr/share/locale ... not so good idea Apr 23 23:53:27 mousey, just go 'boot from sd card' route Apr 23 23:54:20 i know i know! i'm tryna stay ignorant as long as i can Apr 23 23:54:21 jott: Actually, I'm not checking those values (*blush*). lsof reports that my process is the one with the file open, though Apr 23 23:54:32 it's a respectable course of action, i know Apr 23 23:55:54 Lateralus: ok so maybe something went wrong while using those funtions. just check the return values - it might help. Apr 24 00:00:15 What are you doing Mousey? Apr 24 00:01:02 Im just interested in any hacks or customizations :-) Apr 24 00:06:08 NullM0dem: trying to conserve space on / the lazy ignorant way Apr 24 00:06:18 Just boot from the card. . . Apr 24 00:06:34 No point in setting it up so you have twice the breakable parts. :\ Apr 24 00:06:41 instead of installing some magical new initfs which allows me to boot from other devices and such Apr 24 00:07:12 So you could set it up to boot custom os images form flash? Apr 24 00:07:33 NullM0dem, http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Apr 24 00:08:52 funny i was just wondering about that Apr 24 00:08:54 :P Apr 24 00:08:55 thanks Apr 24 00:09:26 kbdd that is Apr 24 00:10:30 scummvm no way!!! Apr 24 00:10:36 Works great, too. Apr 24 00:10:56 You might like this, NullM0dem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts Apr 24 00:11:03 hows emulation on the n800 Apr 24 00:11:07 snes work? Apr 24 00:11:07 Doom and Quake I/II as well if you're into FPS action. Apr 24 00:11:10 tsukasa_, not wonderful Apr 24 00:11:12 But looking up. Apr 24 00:11:50 the newton was awesome BTW Apr 24 00:12:20 Yes it was. Apr 24 00:12:32 The HRW was a thing of beauty. Apr 24 00:17:34 HWR? Apr 24 00:18:01 Sure. Apr 24 00:18:21 if one of you guys wants to do something really cool, you can compile/port this program to the N800 http://ichi2.net/anki/ Apr 24 00:20:13 I installed the palm emulator, and tried the program of the same name, but it sucks compared to the one for KDE...I'd just use my laptop....but many times I want to run that program and I can't because I don't have space to use my laptop....so a version of the N800 would be awesome for me Apr 24 00:22:02 theres also gemRB which does some of the older bioware games Apr 24 00:22:11 anyone try that out yet? Apr 24 00:26:09 GeneralAntilles: Great article thanks! Apr 24 00:26:35 Sure. I hope you'll contribute your own story whenever you get a device. :) Apr 24 00:27:44 Don't do it Apr 24 00:27:51 I didn't do it and I'm much more happier than if I did Apr 24 00:28:06 How do you know? Apr 24 00:28:13 You didn't do it, so you have no basis for comparison. :P Apr 24 00:28:20 Im going to be doing various things with it, ill document them for sure Apr 24 00:28:39 I can foresee the different branches of the future that are created through different actions Apr 24 00:28:46 * GeneralAntilles begins throwing temporary tattoos and wet towels at Navi. Apr 24 00:29:05 Who are you, Muad'Dib? Apr 24 00:30:41 Actually, remember the story I told lcuk? Apr 24 00:30:53 It was lame. Apr 24 00:30:57 I kno rite? Apr 24 00:31:04 You felt bad afterwords because it was lame. :P Apr 24 00:31:18 haha Apr 24 00:31:20 That was part of what I had written for that article Apr 24 00:31:34 Speak of the devil. Apr 24 00:31:34 but I'm never going to get around to finishing it because you're a meanie weenie Apr 24 00:31:43 i kno rite? Apr 24 00:31:43 huh? Apr 24 00:32:02 Nothin' Apr 24 00:34:52 * lcuk now starts pondering what he missed by closing the wrong tab Apr 24 00:35:12 Everything Apr 24 00:36:44 lcuk, that's what this is for: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Apr 24 00:36:50 I kno rite? Apr 24 00:37:01 Ya omg Apr 24 00:37:06 Though I have no idea what a "Maemo IR Clog" is. Apr 24 00:37:08 yer im on there but it still doesnt make sense :P Apr 24 00:37:45 I kno rite? Apr 24 00:37:52 ya Apr 24 00:37:52 * lcuk is wonderin what story was lame. its been a v long day and i forget almost everything Apr 24 00:38:29 lcuk, oh, it's the story I talked to you about Apr 24 00:38:34 the story about why I got my N800 Apr 24 00:38:49 I told it to you Sunday or Saturday Apr 24 00:39:05 oh that one.... yer i remember... ummm *quick look around* Apr 24 00:39:49 Ha Apr 24 00:39:56 * lcuk already knows not to believe everything he reads on the internet Apr 24 00:40:42 now, onto other stuff, should i bury my head back into vmware or should i go to bed Apr 24 00:40:42 lcuk, you're blind! Apr 24 00:40:49 i am almost Apr 24 00:41:07 vmware! Apr 24 00:41:08 * GeneralAntilles cracks the whip! Apr 24 00:41:31 * shapr cracks the plate! Apr 24 00:41:49 That's the nice china! Apr 24 00:42:12 Man I'm tired.. do I play with electronics, or do I get a 32-bit maemo chroot working? Apr 24 00:42:24 32-bit maemo chroot! Apr 24 00:42:40 or play with the hardware if there is any chance of getting linux running on it Apr 24 00:44:34 :) Apr 24 00:45:01 anyone seen https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990 on the n810 ? I seem to have just suffered something similar. wifi gave up when running scp from a local machine. Apr 24 00:45:21 lcuk: Not yet.. haven't got my BUG yet! Apr 24 00:45:28 now, wifi wont connect to the same AP anymore, tried the powercycle, tried making sure btty is fully charged etc. Apr 24 00:45:37 am open to ideas, suggestions :D Apr 24 00:45:51 Kill the AP? Apr 24 00:46:08 Try connecting with a static IP? Apr 24 00:46:36 powercycled the AP, tried static IP ( its on static anyway - so yea, tried dhcp as well ) Apr 24 00:46:42 With 0S2007 I had a problem with one particular AP, whenever it was sending beacons, I couldn't connect to *anything*. Apr 24 00:47:55 I've tried changing channels on the AP as well ( its on auto - europe, selected 6 ) so I tried it on 4 / 8 / 11. made no diff to the other devices that use it, also made no diff to the n810 Apr 24 00:47:56 z00dax! Apr 24 00:48:20 o^O Apr 24 00:48:27 NullM0dem: did you break my device ? Apr 24 00:48:31 Channel 11 tends to have less noise, ime Apr 24 00:48:40 no i use centos and recognized you Apr 24 00:48:41 also, why does your nick ring a bell NullM0dem Apr 24 00:48:50 ah! Apr 24 00:48:53 lurked in centos a few years ago Apr 24 00:49:00 * kbsingh retries hard wiring to 11 Apr 24 00:49:06 tested xen packages Apr 24 00:49:10 briefly Apr 24 00:50:23 cool Apr 24 00:51:06 #centos gets a fair bit of noise and noobs these days :/ guess its a good sign , but I end up staying away a lot :D Apr 24 00:51:49 :-) Apr 24 00:53:47 kbsingh: how much traffic for the scp session Apr 24 00:54:26 it did about 380MiB before going off... and it was running at about 500 - 550K/sec Apr 24 00:55:28 I guess there is reasonable evidence that its no longer associating with the AP, it never gets a dhcp request onto the network and the AP does not seem to list its MAC as 'seen' anymore Apr 24 00:56:39 that happend to a laptop once, while i was building LFS over SSH Apr 24 00:56:58 i was dropped and couldant reconnect till i powercycled everything Apr 24 00:57:10 was odd for sure Apr 24 00:58:04 * NullM0dem is leaving work, back in afew Apr 24 01:02:39 humm... i can see it hit the radius instance for auth info. Apr 24 01:02:51 * kbsingh scratches his head...W.T.F is going on here :/ Apr 24 01:20:55 * pupnik_ ponders user-mode linux on tablet Apr 24 02:13:26 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4418 Apr 24 02:13:27 lol Apr 24 02:13:36 next olympic games category? Apr 24 02:13:58 post with hologram is also interesting Apr 24 02:15:42 wow Apr 24 02:16:12 never knew of such a thing Apr 24 02:16:18 me too Apr 24 02:16:29 but i guess, it's people, with too much time Apr 24 02:16:30 :> Apr 24 02:16:53 they should spend it coding :P Apr 24 02:17:00 heh, I could say the same with my linux habits Apr 24 02:17:10 maybe it helps them thinking ;) Apr 24 02:17:40 right, time to get some sleep me thinks. Apr 24 02:17:47 SIGSLEEP #maemo Apr 24 02:17:51 :) Apr 24 02:18:46 What is funny is while I found the clip extreamly boring I was impressed with the lighting and camera angles :) Apr 24 02:19:36 It was well filmed, im impressed at the fact you could only see the hand Apr 24 02:54:00 KotCzarny, im tired now. take a look Apr 24 02:54:05 gnite Apr 24 02:54:27 * lcuk has been getting ready for some major changes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 24 02:59:56 2008