**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 06 02:59:57 2008 May 06 03:03:28 still running.. May 06 03:04:11 btw. if you're at it you should do vfat/ext2/ext3 comparison May 06 03:04:29 coincidentally, it will happen to work out that way ;) May 06 03:04:31 this is vfat May 06 03:04:45 and I'm planning on making this same card ext3 May 06 03:04:47 er, ext2 May 06 03:05:07 it would be interesting to have a numbers for all three fs'es May 06 03:06:17 perhaps I can also try a RAID0/RAID1 setup between mmc1 and mmc2 May 06 03:06:26 oh, wait we have no md. May 06 03:06:34 onionfs? May 06 03:06:47 i mean unionfs May 06 03:06:47 I was thinking mirrored.. May 06 03:06:48 :) May 06 03:06:56 so internal could be 8GB May 06 03:07:04 isn't mirrored the same speed as plain? May 06 03:07:06 external could be partitioned into an 8GB mirror, and an 8GB vfat May 06 03:07:15 stiped could be faster May 06 03:07:23 read speeds are faster I think May 06 03:07:31 they should be. May 06 03:07:50 they will drain more power too May 06 03:07:57 well, think of it this way.. May 06 03:07:58 being a mirror.. May 06 03:08:05 you can always disable one for normal operation May 06 03:08:33 "RAID 1 offers excellent read speed and a write-speed that is comparable to that of a single disk." May 06 03:09:18 you could always partition it and do a striped partition for swap May 06 03:09:25 ;) May 06 03:09:32 yeah.. sure May 06 03:09:50 I use RAID1 swap on my home server.. May 06 03:10:03 isn't ram dirt cheap nowadays? May 06 03:10:04 :) May 06 03:10:08 not in the N800 May 06 03:10:14 :) May 06 03:10:27 do you use n800 as a home server? May 06 03:10:27 :) May 06 03:10:40 the thought has crossed my mind.. May 06 03:11:04 N800 + USB eSATA/USB enclosure May 06 03:11:15 I have 8 disks here ready to be tested.. May 06 03:11:17 hmm, 2x 64gb would be enough i think May 06 03:11:18 :) May 06 03:11:33 tiny/small/silent media server.. May 06 03:11:48 (apart from the drives) May 06 03:11:58 and affordable at $200 May 06 03:12:17 I have a giant 15-bay case I need to get rid of. May 06 03:12:17 there are wifi routers with usb <100$ May 06 03:12:52 maybe, if I can find one that will run debian.. May 06 03:13:01 why? May 06 03:13:12 python apps on the server May 06 03:13:18 hmm May 06 03:13:18 mostly May 06 03:13:43 just rewrite them in c/shell May 06 03:13:44 :) May 06 03:13:54 'just' May 06 03:13:56 :P May 06 03:14:22 much more RAM in the N800 than any router May 06 03:14:40 yes, but eaten by hildon and friends May 06 03:14:44 don't need hildon :) May 06 03:14:47 the NSLU2 and WRT54SL come to mind as possible choices May 06 03:14:48 it's a server, remember? May 06 03:14:54 but need friends May 06 03:15:19 I am using an Asus 500gpe or whatever.. with OpenWRT currently. May 06 03:15:30 * KotCzarny is using wrt54g with openwrt May 06 03:15:39 in fact i'm ircing from it right now May 06 03:15:40 ;) May 06 03:16:02 KotCzarny, eh? just run debian on the tablet and you don't need any big programs sucking RAM May 06 03:16:07 "This APT has Super Cow Powers." <- O_o May 06 03:16:16 s'true May 06 03:16:25 johnx: no power management kills the idea for me May 06 03:16:33 for a server? May 06 03:16:38 power management? May 06 03:16:41 it's a 400MHz ARM.. May 06 03:16:46 for using anything other than maemo right now May 06 03:16:47 and yes there is power management, it's just not as optimized May 06 03:16:59 replacing a 100 watt Athlon May 06 03:17:03 johnx: do you get ~8-10 days on idle? May 06 03:17:13 fysa: how about 200mhz mips ? May 06 03:17:14 :) May 06 03:17:20 yes, but low RAM May 06 03:17:29 I need apache+mysql May 06 03:17:42 enough for 2x epic + screen + im + links + some other stuff May 06 03:17:43 128MB is really the low end. May 06 03:18:05 power saving should get better with the next debian release for n800, since I've found some info on how to do it better :) May 06 03:18:29 johnx: how long can it idle ? May 06 03:18:43 johnx, did you see the ubuntu port? May 06 03:19:01 KotCzarny, dunno. You seem to be the best tester in that regard May 06 03:19:07 lol May 06 03:19:12 fysa, yeah...it confused me more than anything May 06 03:19:22 anyway, trying RAID is worth a shot. ;) May 06 03:19:47 bonnie is still running. May 06 03:20:00 my card is going to explode. May 06 03:20:10 i think mmc-[u]mount should be modded to obey /etc/fstab May 06 03:20:26 * KotCzarny adds that to the todo list May 06 03:21:13 there is ARM openwrt May 06 03:21:14 Anyone use the ogg-support package? May 06 03:21:25 ;) May 06 03:21:35 I can't remove it May 06 03:21:38 fysa: there is x86 openwrt :) May 06 03:22:06 my goal this year re: electronics and such is to make everything as small as possible. May 06 03:22:09 and minimal. May 06 03:23:03 so I can live like Robert DeNiro on Heat. May 06 03:23:21 in a trailer by a movie set? May 06 03:23:41 haha May 06 03:23:47 i'm hoping for portable energy sources May 06 03:24:01 such as? May 06 03:24:03 without need to recharge for a year or so May 06 03:24:14 nothing in particular May 06 03:24:15 blood-powered May 06 03:24:21 maybe a nice radio-isotope battery? May 06 03:24:30 johnx, oooh May 06 03:24:33 That sounds sexy May 06 03:24:33 johnx: more probably photosyntesis May 06 03:24:39 I wanna buy one May 06 03:24:49 or some heat+hydrogen cells May 06 03:24:58 make it powered by the body and nerds will be the most fit of all. May 06 03:25:22 Navi, talk to someone in Russia. Apparently they used them for remote light-houses May 06 03:25:24 maybe you surround the heart cage in a netting to harness it's raw energy. May 06 03:25:28 or just get the solarcells better May 06 03:25:29 its. May 06 03:25:31 johnx, woo May 06 03:26:01 Man May 06 03:26:08 autocomplete is so useless most of the time. May 06 03:26:19 It picks the worst words to help May 06 03:26:35 yeah, seriously! Maybe I just don't write the way it wants May 06 03:27:19 Too bad we don't have the iPhone's awesome horrible typing autocorrection May 06 03:28:10 we could if you really wanted to, you just have to code it May 06 03:29:23 You're funny, but no. May 06 03:29:33 you know what I found out a while back, a radio doesn't need a power source, just needs a transistor May 06 03:30:36 doesn't transistor need some power to work? May 06 03:30:43 seemingly not May 06 03:31:01 something to do with frequencies or some such May 06 03:31:29 it should pull a little power from the transmission itself? You wouldn't get loud sound of course... May 06 03:31:34 that's right May 06 03:32:05 still it needs some power May 06 03:32:13 be it from transmission or battery May 06 03:32:15 it's induced by the radio transmission May 06 03:32:27 sure, but that's all at the transmitter, which it would have anyway May 06 03:32:44 iirc from my terrible telecomms lecturer, power gives distance May 06 03:39:21 .. bonnie still running .. May 06 03:39:52 say buh-bah to your card? May 06 03:39:53 :> May 06 03:40:11 fysa, how fast is the USB port on the N800? May 06 03:41:34 I wouldn't think the N800 would be well suited to act has a media server. May 06 03:42:48 i agree, wifi is ~500kb/s May 06 03:48:40 yeah. with that limitation, it would maybe be a moderate-performing torrent server. May 06 03:49:04 then again, I don't think it would have enough cpu to handle 500k of torrent data. May 06 03:51:51 * KotCzarny loves dual-head May 06 03:52:29 USB speed is the bottleneck for sure. May 06 03:53:17 hmm May 06 03:53:34 fridge as a server? May 06 03:53:42 :) May 06 03:55:18 i wonder when they will start selling wifi enabled electrical appliances May 06 03:55:37 fridge + wifi + webcam May 06 03:56:03 now you can see your food without getting off the couch May 06 03:56:16 haha May 06 03:56:18 (and catch that nightly food thief) May 06 03:56:29 and see whether the light is on when the door is closed! May 06 03:56:30 finally! May 06 03:56:36 lol May 06 03:56:40 finally! May 06 04:00:10 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4491 May 06 04:00:15 that would make a nice server May 06 04:00:16 :) May 06 04:10:14 Navi, if you haven't bought a keyboard yet, check out this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18034 May 06 04:10:39 k May 06 04:11:11 Heh May 06 04:11:21 shipping is double the cost of the keyboard May 06 04:11:24 that always pisses me off May 06 04:11:50 but kb itself is nice May 06 04:12:02 yeah, getting stuff hauled around in the "real world" is expensive, annoying and slow :/ May 06 04:12:04 but has windows key, fffft May 06 04:12:16 windows keys are great! May 06 04:12:21 could use a trackpoint May 06 04:12:26 i miss that on every kb May 06 04:12:33 I use my windows key as a meta May 06 04:12:37 There's nothing like having an extra modifier key May 06 04:12:53 there's nothing like typing patterns May 06 04:13:08 on my desktop I use the windows key as the modifier for actions that affect the desktop or all windows May 06 04:13:11 i love the way ibm thinkpads were without m$ logo May 06 04:13:12 :) May 06 04:13:21 I use it for shortcuts May 06 04:13:33 http://www.ocia.net/fullsize.php?filename=280_4.jpg May 06 04:14:07 but that's massively expensive and not touch typable is it? May 06 04:14:10 weirdo May 06 04:14:13 haha May 06 04:14:25 you glue the N800 to the cover May 06 04:14:33 now that would actually be cool May 06 04:14:38 it's a thumb keyboard.. May 06 04:14:45 meant for HTPC May 06 04:14:58 it's weiight centre would kill your hands May 06 04:14:59 :) May 06 04:15:15 so use counterweights. problem solved! May 06 04:15:18 lol May 06 04:15:26 fn+enter acts as a ctrl-alt-del May 06 04:15:39 two thumb salute ;) May 06 04:15:40 Solution: Glue it to your hands May 06 04:15:46 heh...much fun on the linux cli May 06 04:16:01 $120 or something? May 06 04:16:07 http://www.ocia.net/fullsize.php?filename=280_26.jpg May 06 04:18:00 maybe useful on long flights or something ;) May 06 04:18:17 usb kb would suck your power faster May 06 04:18:19 :) May 06 04:18:36 but you could power the whole setup with one external battery pack May 06 04:18:44 it's a trade-off either way May 06 04:18:46 yes, but it's getting big then May 06 04:18:54 so maybe just get a ultraportable laptop May 06 04:18:55 :) May 06 04:18:57 *an May 06 04:19:10 that's getting expensive (or it was expensive before the eee) May 06 04:19:18 nah May 06 04:19:22 second hand stuff is cheap May 06 04:19:33 ibm x40 is ~400-500$ today May 06 04:20:02 and has one of the best battery life for laptops May 06 04:20:22 but if you're buying used the first thing you need is a new battery :P May 06 04:20:32 not really May 06 04:20:45 that depends on luck May 06 04:20:59 sometimes it's 30%, sometimes >90% May 06 04:21:11 Li-ion batteries lose lots of charge just sitting on a shelf May 06 04:21:20 depends May 06 04:21:28 if kept properly it's minimal May 06 04:21:30 Yay for battery technology May 06 04:22:25 * johnx waits for the post apocalyptic future where he's allowed to use radio-isotope batteries May 06 04:22:35 :D May 06 04:22:45 i prefer hydrogen/solar based ones May 06 04:22:46 :) May 06 04:23:02 * Navi throws uranium rods at johnx May 06 04:23:36 I just like the idea of having a laptop with a sealed case that just sits there unplugged and runs for 20 years May 06 04:23:55 yup May 06 04:24:10 but then you would start getting heaps of sh*t May 06 04:24:12 :) May 06 04:24:25 will need a geiger counter watch to go with it... May 06 04:24:35 not going to happen May 06 04:24:42 it could spread panic May 06 04:24:44 geiger counter watch? May 06 04:24:44 in some areas May 06 04:24:45 ;) May 06 04:24:52 Yay for wiicontrol May 06 04:25:14 KotCzarny, http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20050928/gammamaster-geiger-counter-watch/ :P May 06 04:27:20 i have a friend that lives in mountain area May 06 04:27:31 it has quite high radon pollution May 06 04:27:39 so high it affects electronics May 06 04:27:43 O_o May 06 04:27:49 maybe your friend should move May 06 04:27:51 spurious reboots, memory corruption May 06 04:27:56 he will May 06 04:27:59 to iceland May 06 04:28:18 good plan May 06 04:28:20 but what about goverment not telling people it's bad to live there? May 06 04:28:28 (in his home city) May 06 04:29:05 people can't check these things for themselves? May 06 04:29:15 radon's been a problem at least since I was a kid May 06 04:29:16 well of course it's bad, but people also need to take matters into their own hands to figure out if they're living somewhere unsafe May 06 04:29:41 mhm May 06 04:29:50 yeah, and what would they do? May 06 04:29:56 uhm, move May 06 04:29:58 moving is expensive May 06 04:30:08 in money and emotionally too May 06 04:30:10 so, eh, then he's fucked either way :) May 06 04:30:12 yeah, it's called priorities May 06 04:30:27 the government not doing checks is moot :) May 06 04:30:30 "Do I value my health more than my home?" if yes, move May 06 04:30:52 i think nyc area is pretty polluted too May 06 04:30:53 ;) May 06 04:31:05 oh for sure May 06 04:31:17 as all of the big cities May 06 04:31:43 it all comes down to priorities and your own cost/benefit analysis May 06 04:31:51 anyways, I'm off for now May 06 04:31:53 'later all May 06 04:31:56 what's interesting in his story that electronics has higher failure rate there May 06 04:32:07 *is May 06 04:32:13 Radon is pretty heavy. Ventilate the main rooms and avoid laying down in the basement.. :P May 06 04:32:17 You should know whether or not you live in a safe environment when you move there in the first place May 06 04:32:46 grackle: if the wind is calm radon keeps accumulating, to the 4-5th floor high May 06 04:32:52 the problem is people lived in these places for generations before knowing what radon is. May 06 04:33:04 KotCzarny: then I definitely think it's time to move May 06 04:33:14 It's really that bad? Yikes. May 06 04:33:20 yeah May 06 04:33:27 it's a poor area though May 06 04:33:34 Around here it seeps into basements, but that's about it. May 06 04:40:54 http://pastebin.com/f36e65d33 May 06 04:41:34 Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- May 06 04:41:34 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- May 06 04:41:34 Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP May 06 04:41:34 Nokia-N800-50- 300M 2776 96 5304 14 3554 16 3014 98 13488 16 198.7 1 May 06 04:41:45 see the pastebin for full. May 06 04:41:52 now the same for ext3 pls May 06 04:41:52 :) May 06 04:42:10 testing the 16GB card first, then I will try ext3 May 06 04:42:26 will let it run while I sleep.. night night May 06 04:42:31 Something's borked... May 06 04:42:35 night May 06 04:42:36 :) May 06 04:43:09 hrm... soo....... so far, my device has been working after reflash May 06 04:43:27 which is weird..... since it was dieing on both the flash OS and when running debian from SD >_> May 06 04:43:31 rm_you: lucky you :) May 06 04:43:48 maybe debian was trying to load the flash memory part just for fun, and then would die May 06 04:44:31 or just temperature finally stabilized broken connection somewhere May 06 04:44:32 :) May 06 04:45:44 lol May 06 04:46:01 so i guess after finals are over i can start work on Adv-BL again May 06 04:54:06 johnx, the seller doesn't exist on ebay anymore :( May 06 05:52:36 somebody knows what's the "user_activated" argument passed to a control panel ? May 06 05:52:40 it's not totally clear to me from the doc May 06 06:50:59 Hmm, update manager wants to upgrade my scratchbox May 06 06:51:13 go for it May 06 06:51:14 ;) May 06 06:51:19 Of course I do May 06 06:57:46 * Cptnodegard hates classfronter May 06 07:04:23 Hello everybody again! :) I somehow managed to break my theme such that all selected items and buttons and checkboxes etc are invisible :-( Switching the theme does not help. Any idea how to reset the theme completely? May 06 07:09:10 try searching internettablettalk, i know ive read about that problem there somwhere May 06 07:10:10 is there a problem with viewing a large avi file? May 06 07:13:06 InteliWasp: if the resolution and or bitrate is high you will get a very choppy playback, but the physical size of the file doesnt matter (meaning if its a 1GB file because its a long movie its ok if the bitrate and resolution is supported without problem) May 06 07:16:31 the resolution is 640x480, i am not shure what bit rate it is... May 06 07:17:35 how long is it? May 06 07:17:42 and what file size May 06 07:18:30 at that resolution i think youll get a very choppy video, especially if its a lot of action/fast moving (because bitrate will spike drastically in those scenes) May 06 07:18:48 it's choppy in all cases with that resolution May 06 07:19:19 I found something about Control Panel -> Tools -> Restore Original Settings but I can't find any "Tools" in my Control Panel (OS 2008) May 06 07:20:38 zap, check the application menu May 06 07:21:32 crud... is there anything i can do? May 06 07:21:39 ah, dumb me May 06 07:22:00 InteliWasp: transcode it to lower resolution May 06 07:22:35 bah, asks me the lock code May 06 07:22:45 do you recomend any linux base transcoders? May 06 07:22:59 is there any way to reset it? I've got anew device and dunno what's it initially May 06 07:23:14 zap, 1234 May 06 07:23:23 i think... May 06 07:23:55 InteliWasp, you can try mencoder and some wrapper thing like this: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/tinyavi/ May 06 07:24:24 InteliWasp, 1234 doesnt work :( May 06 07:25:59 ah, 12345\ May 06 07:26:58 doh! i forgot the 5 May 06 07:29:22 sad, Restore Original Settings didn't help. May 06 07:36:00 hmm, "Clear Device" did not removed all packages I have installed May 06 07:37:48 and I still have invisible (many) controls May 06 07:55:01 Haha, found the post with the same problem, 0 answers since 12 January :-((( May 06 08:00:45 zap: i'd personally just throw the towel in the ring and reflash if it messes up that badly :P May 06 08:01:31 yes, I could do that but what if it happens again? I usually tend to know what's going on, and not blindly rely on reflashing... May 06 08:02:02 s/to know/to understand May 06 08:18:28 morning May 06 08:21:38 Anybody knows where Maemo holds the theme settings, and the themes themselves? May 06 08:21:50 /usr/share/themes ? May 06 08:21:51 :) May 06 08:22:11 good night ppl May 06 08:49:46 Hi ! May 06 08:50:02 Morning Khertan. May 06 08:50:05 HELP ! HELP ! HELP ! HELP ! :) May 06 08:50:21 Where is the fire? May 06 08:50:31 root/fire/ ? May 06 08:51:01 maybe some python guru can help me ... on my debian datetime.datetime.now() return a date with a timezone (tzname) ... but in maemo ... i get a None object for the timezone ... May 06 08:51:08 a locale setting ? maybe ? May 06 08:51:16 hi X-Fade_ :) May 06 08:51:56 (managing timezone in python is a real pain ... mainly with google agenda api ... !) May 06 08:52:19 Working on a agenda desktop plugin? :) May 06 08:52:41 working on a agenda ... with google sync ... and an home desktop plugin ;) May 06 08:53:41 agenda works ... google sync too ... but with some delta in hours ... due to timezone ... May 06 08:53:49 (recurring event isn't implemented too) May 06 08:53:54 (yet) May 06 08:54:03 Nice :) May 06 08:54:06 thx May 06 08:55:48 google api isn't really a good api ... May 06 09:01:36 KotCzarny, you still around? May 06 09:02:13 mornin folks \:D May 06 09:04:35 Moin May 06 09:05:59 -- ? May 06 09:26:47 hrm May 06 09:26:51 I have a question with the SDK env. May 06 09:27:02 I'm trying to fakeroot dpkg -i mypackage.dep in there May 06 09:27:08 and it fails bcs it can't find "su" May 06 09:27:14 (which is normally provided by busybox) May 06 09:27:17 what am I missing ? May 06 09:27:37 hrm... killall too May 06 10:33:21 Version 1.03 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- May 06 10:33:21 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- May 06 10:33:21 Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP May 06 10:33:21 Nokia-N800-50- 300M 1120 93 3369 10 2545 15 3012 98 13229 17 175.6 1 May 06 10:33:21 ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- May 06 10:33:22 -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- May 06 10:33:24 files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP May 06 10:33:27 16 6 79 42 58 44 47 10 76 32 62 20 63 May 06 10:33:28 Nokia-N800-50-2,300M,1120,93,3369,10,2545,15,3012,98,13229,17,175.6,1,16,6,79,42,58,44,47,10,76,32,62,20,63 May 06 10:33:30 http://pastebin.com/f699c99 May 06 10:33:34 16GB Transcend SDHC May 06 10:40:01 * ccooke notes that 16GB micro SDHC are actually available now... May 06 10:40:46 Ok, I can't open this PDF AT ALL.... May 06 10:56:06 hi May 06 11:11:35 um with which app can i see the info from my n800 system? May 06 11:12:01 what kind of info? May 06 11:12:08 command line or GUI? May 06 11:35:21 meh, customers May 06 11:35:32 KILL! May 06 11:35:44 noooo, they help pay my wages May 06 11:36:03 just lots of eye rolling this morning May 06 11:43:53 morning May 06 12:00:08 how do I force the keyboard to appear? I'm selecting a text field on the n800, and it's not appearing May 06 12:00:30 were you using a bt or usb keyboard before that? May 06 12:01:35 I have a usb keyboard that I could go hook up.. but it's not conventient May 06 12:02:03 the problem tends to appear when you've had a bt or usb keyboard plugged in and then unplug it May 06 12:02:11 ah, I didn't quite answer you.. no, i wasn't using it. May 06 12:02:38 I've typed from the touch screen since the last time i used the usb keyboard May 06 12:02:55 interesting. the center d-pad button should make the thumbboard appear May 06 12:03:29 does that work or does it act like you pressed return? May 06 12:04:58 interesting.. it acted like a return key the first time.. but the second time it gave me a full screen keyboard May 06 12:05:07 ultimately, it worked. Thanks! May 06 12:05:10 sure May 06 12:05:31 it seems like the tablets can run into issues switching between usb/bt and onscreen keyboards May 06 12:05:37 I wonder if there's a bug number... May 06 12:06:36 BTW, the text field was for a banking website trying to authenticate me.. so a security feature may have been interfering May 06 12:07:12 probably not May 06 12:07:25 but the browser seems to have more buggy issues with the onscreen keyboard than any other app May 06 12:07:56 sometimes it just takes a second try May 06 12:08:15 but this is the first time I had to do something different May 06 12:08:35 it really doesn't like the fullscreen thumbboard :/ May 06 12:12:28 unixSnob: perhaps there's a bug on it May 06 12:13:10 that's what I would call it.. it didn't do what it was supposed to May 06 12:13:32 the submit vs bring up fkb thing May 06 12:14:04 ah, yeah, that would be another bug May 06 12:14:11 it might depend on whether you focused the field or whether it was by script, for instance May 06 12:14:58 Well, I think there's a 3rd bug in there.. because sometimes the keyboard does appear, but my entry goes to an unfocused field May 06 12:15:32 heh May 06 12:16:21 that's a rare problem though.. the workaround is just to tap around the screen and refocus the field May 06 12:16:34 bugs with minimal testcase pages and steps if you can :) May 06 12:17:23 is there an official nokia name for the software fullscreen thumbboard? May 06 12:18:20 finally got my iGo keyboard :) May 06 12:18:23 dunno, thumb finger fkb should be a decent set of search words May 06 12:22:34 the pdf reader doesn't seem to be integrated w/ the browser too well. If I choose to view a pdf, i just end up with a blank browser screen May 06 12:22:52 I need to choose 'save' and then open the pdf as a separate step, it seems May 06 12:26:03 haven't seen that May 06 12:26:30 has an evince install done something funny? May 06 12:27:32 not sure if a site could cause that, unless it embeds in some sort of explicit manner but I don't recall seeing such for pdfs May 06 12:28:57 getting a blank browser window in addition to pdf-viewer sounds entirely likely though, if the site assumes your browser embeds a pdf viewer and so the site targets the load in a new window May 06 12:30:08 firefox works around that by closing a new tab automatically if the only thing there was a load that went to an external helper, dunno if that is since 2 or 3 May 06 12:33:05 sp3000: it can be in 2 and 3 by plugin May 06 12:34:09 Hum ... create an event on google agenda ... localy ... 16h30 to 17h30 ... move it after sync on mCalendar ... to 17h40 to 18h40 ... and you get 21h40 to 22h40 on google agenda ... May 06 12:34:25 sure, plugin since forever; I meant the workaround, which applies to other types too May 06 12:34:32 hum ... it seems my localtime/utctime problem isn't really well resolved ... May 06 12:36:52 tell everyone they need to either use UTC or move to Greenwich :) May 06 12:37:27 lol ... before say to france to not use this stupid daylight time ! May 06 12:37:47 ~lart daylight savings time May 06 12:37:47 * infobot whips out a sword and chops daylight savings time in half May 06 12:37:49 and google to make a real api May 06 12:38:36 in a past life as a sys admin I remember more than one occasion when daylight savings time changes caused problems for "legacy" systems... May 06 12:38:37 what's wrong with dst/ May 06 12:38:51 (at leat from a programming perspective, it's a non-issue) May 06 12:39:03 it's bearable as long as the gov't doesn't go mucking with it every year May 06 12:39:13 heh. true. May 06 12:39:27 it's fine for you programmers because you just rely on us sys admins to make sure everything is ok on the underlying system :P May 06 12:39:29 and it s a real pain to manage it in python ! May 06 12:39:47 johnx > it s not really fine ! May 06 12:39:59 johnx: if it's not in seconds since the epoch, it's crap! May 06 12:40:27 Solarion, agreed! May 06 12:40:39 so google api sucks :) May 06 12:40:44 Khertan, then lets overthrow the tyranny of our DST enforcing opressors! May 06 12:41:18 do u have a good online calendar alternativ ? May 06 12:41:58 apparently gpe syncs with google calendar, but that's all I know May 06 12:42:05 I don't keep a digital calendar right now May 06 12:42:15 it's a whole bunch of words on a sheet of paper... May 06 12:42:22 johnx > gpe doesn't syncs with google calendar ... May 06 12:42:28 ermining do it ... May 06 12:43:40 can't you just have gpe-cal subscribe on one side and publish on another? May 06 12:43:56 2008-05-06T17:11:00.00-02:00 give to google ... May 06 12:44:13 2008-05-06T21:11:00.00-02:00 May 06 12:44:16 ... ? :) May 06 12:44:42 I really don't know May 06 12:44:55 theoretically there are people who use this...I just don't know how May 06 12:45:15 i know ... but i don't like gpe May 06 12:45:34 it s why i'm doing my own calendar ... with integrated google agenda sync May 06 12:45:41 I meant theoretically there are people who use the google calendar api May 06 12:46:09 yes ... and erminig author say that is a real pain to use api :) May 06 12:47:13 yeah ... now it s works ... May 06 12:47:18 utc time powa :) May 06 12:47:39 everyone move to greenwich! May 06 12:48:25 lol :) May 06 12:48:43 no of course using local time of the nit May 06 12:52:41 someone who know where i can found this theme -> http://www.sktc.net/~wowbagger/screenshot00.png ? May 06 12:53:01 (sorry for the lame question :P) May 06 12:54:01 ar !!! again a stupid question .... !!! Burn this user !!!! May 06 12:54:02 :) May 06 12:54:04 no problem, but that's a theme for OS2006 or OS2007 May 06 12:54:19 Turrican_, which tablet and OS are you using? May 06 12:54:27 ouch it s a theme for OS2006 May 06 12:55:51 johnx: i have a n800/os2008 May 06 12:56:06 then you probably won't be able to use that theme May 06 12:56:32 It's one of the default themes on OS2006 so you could unpack it from there and use the graphics to make yourself a new theme that looks like it May 06 12:56:39 depends on how motivated you are I guess :) May 06 12:56:39 isn't that rather one of the 2007 builtins May 06 12:56:45 is it? May 06 12:57:08 hmm, maybe so May 06 12:57:45 johnx: I bought it about a week ago, so I'm a bit newbie at the moment :P May 06 12:57:55 johnx: anyway tnx for the info May 06 12:58:03 then you might have to learn to live without the theme for a while :) May 06 12:58:27 btw, so avoid stupid question in a develop channel, is there a channel for newbies? =) May 06 12:58:44 nah, this is the general channel. May 06 12:58:46 just ask here May 06 12:58:48 johnx: hehe, I'll try :P May 06 12:58:52 everyone is pretty friendly :) May 06 12:59:49 wow, an unix-like channel friendly ? May 06 12:59:58 nokia do miracles =) May 06 13:00:34 :P May 06 13:00:35 *makes May 06 13:00:51 i'm also lame with the english :P May 06 13:01:09 that's fine. So am I and it's my native language :D May 06 13:01:11 i should find an italian channel about NITs May 06 13:01:27 =) May 06 13:01:34 #maemo-it May 06 13:02:12 caveat: you might be the only one in it May 06 13:02:21 ehehe, a little poor :P May 06 13:04:27 anyway, i think i have to learn the basic information about n800 before asking here another lame question, I fear that sooner or later someone will ban me :P May 06 13:04:38 aaah May 06 13:04:40 a good question May 06 13:05:04 the worst we'll do is point you at google or tell you to RTFM :) May 06 13:05:06 is there any tool for linux/win to download the entiry reposity of maemo.org? May 06 13:05:30 johnx: yeah, is exactly what i mean :P May 06 13:05:42 you could use wget on linux or any good downloader on windows May 06 13:06:42 johnx: yep, but downloading by hands required too many time May 06 13:07:01 ah yes, so that's why you download recursively :) May 06 13:07:31 something like wget -l 5 -r http://repository.maemo.org/dists May 06 13:07:40 but you'll want to limit it to certain paths May 06 13:08:32 man wget and look at --include-directories May 06 13:08:54 wow, I did not know that wget could download recursively May 06 13:09:13 it just walks through a page of html and follows all the links :) May 06 13:09:33 use --include-directories to tell it where to go May 06 13:09:41 the probability of being banned is lifted? =) May 06 13:10:14 uhm, lifted = increased May 06 13:10:16 :P May 06 13:10:33 nah May 06 13:10:44 we don't ban people unless they're just hear to troll May 06 13:10:53 we may laugh if you ask a silly question though :D May 06 13:11:41 I'm an Amiga/Pegasos user, so trolling here is a litte hard :P May 06 13:12:24 heh May 06 13:12:47 then you should be fine May 06 13:13:10 johnx: tnx so much for the info, i have to go away now May 06 13:13:21 brb May 06 13:13:27 alright May 06 13:13:37 'later May 06 13:48:56 hi there, anyone succeeded with firefox Thumb build on maemo? May 06 13:49:14 is that fennec or minefield? May 06 13:50:07 no matter, the core is the same, they differ at xul level, don't they? May 06 13:50:43 I dunno. All I know is there are builds for each on internettablettal.com/forums May 06 13:51:21 I'll chech that, thanks johnx May 06 13:51:32 sure May 06 13:52:15 is it http iirc, or sth else? May 06 13:52:28 er, sorry, didn't type it right May 06 13:52:39 http://internettablettalk.com/forums May 06 13:53:25 right, works now :) May 06 13:54:36 GtkCellRenderer cannot be displayed when used with hildon framework? it doesn't show up in the output, only GtkListStore contents are getting displayed May 06 13:55:51 mbuf, erm? May 06 13:56:07 inz, sorry, erm? May 06 13:56:25 mbuf, I didn't understand what you were asking May 06 13:57:03 inz, for this example, http://scentric.net/tutorial/ch-treeview.html ; the table headers are not displayed, only the table data are getting displayed May 06 13:57:52 mbuf, ahh, the headers aren't the cell renderers May 06 13:58:24 inz, i see; but, running them standalone displays the table column headers May 06 13:58:53 inz, on the desktop gtk May 06 13:59:16 inz, is there any way, i can get those to be displayed? May 06 13:59:44 Morning gang. May 06 14:00:12 Can I connect an N800 to a Windows box and have it appear as a large flash drive? I want to use mine to move a large file from one PC to another. May 06 14:00:39 isn't that default behavior of the usb port still? May 06 14:00:57 SDuensin, yes; it is the default behavior May 06 14:01:07 acting as a card reader for the memorycard thats in it May 06 14:01:10 mbuf, have you tried calling gtk_tree_view_set_headers_visible(yout_tree_view, TRUE); May 06 14:01:16 Hmm. Mine tried to connect as a computer. Lemme try it again. :-) May 06 14:01:29 inz, will try now May 06 14:02:53 inz, awesome! thanks May 06 14:03:00 Ah. Gotta turn it on and *then* plug it in. :-) May 06 14:03:26 * mbuf needs to get over the dirty habit of asking on IRC without checking the APIs May 06 14:05:03 mbuf, devhelp is your friend May 06 14:05:47 inz, i see May 06 14:33:20 Morning all from JavaOne May 06 14:33:39 mornin' :) May 06 14:36:57 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7379554.stm May 06 14:38:35 thank you RST38h for that bit of randomness O_o May 06 14:38:54 Jaffa - you work for Sun? May 06 14:39:12 * unixSnob contratulates jaska for surviving the RiF May 06 14:39:30 s/jaska/Jaffa/ May 06 14:41:37 unixSnob: Nope, work for a small software house/consultancy in London. Here entirely for fun, err, I mean work *cough* May 06 14:41:58 o.O May 06 14:43:27 * unixSnob wonders whether to dump more money into Sun stock, while it's down May 06 14:43:38 someone know a python script that sync a local folder to an ftp directory ? May 06 14:44:23 Jaffa: remember to bug the arm folks about jazelle ;) May 06 14:44:51 Jaffa: So you contribute to the JavaOne project.. or you're using it? May 06 14:44:59 Khertan, ftp is your only access? May 06 14:45:44 Khertan: Write a python script that simply calls wget ;) May 06 14:46:01 or wput May 06 14:46:01 :P May 06 14:46:30 or curl May 06 14:47:11 or import ftplib May 06 14:49:27 yes of course i can write it ... May 06 14:49:38 but i ask before ... to not recreate the wheel May 06 15:01:10 i keep trying to install "modest" email client on my N810 but it always fails to install saying there are several applications missing that are required. libalarm > 0.5.18, libhildonfm > 1.1.9.49 ....etc. May 06 15:01:16 am i missing a repo or some thing? May 06 15:01:50 how and on what os rel? May 06 15:03:19 sp3000: os2008 v 1.2007.42-19 (default from out of the box) ... and i just went to the maemo garage page for modest and clicked "install now" on my n810 May 06 15:04:38 I have os2008 2007.51, 034\!0" 85 4317843" 5\!5 May 06 15:04:43 er May 06 15:04:54 , perhaps it requires that May 06 15:05:18 * sp3000 left fn on :) May 06 15:05:32 like i said.. this is whatever it came with .. i havent done any system "updates" May 06 15:05:39 is there a way to do an OS update ? May 06 15:05:50 yes May 06 15:06:03 when i check for updates .. it just says the map application has an update.. but when i say ok.. it says it will break stuff and it wont update May 06 15:06:04 are you using linux, mac os x or windows on your desktop/laptop? May 06 15:06:04 lol May 06 15:06:05 "the latest OS2008" says the page, yeah May 06 15:06:11 johnx: linux May 06 15:06:38 here you are: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ May 06 15:06:47 lirakis_work: os update is reflash atm unfortunately May 06 15:06:58 sp3000: hmm that sucks May 06 15:07:05 use the backup tool first and backup anything you can't live with out by hand May 06 15:07:44 yeah, a separate /home partition would have been nice, but it's never easy to figure out the right split for something like that May 06 15:08:05 johnx: arlight .. so .. before i go reflashing everything May 06 15:08:17 johnx: do you think this will solve my "problem" May 06 15:08:27 about not being able to install modest email May 06 15:08:42 of the right versions not being available? I can check for you May 06 15:09:43 if you open x terminal and type apt-cache policy libalarm and pastebin the results I can compare it to mine and we can see if the upgraded libalarm between your OS release and the latest one May 06 15:10:35 johnx: .. okay one minute May 06 15:10:57 it'll take me a minute too, Have to boot my N800 up May 06 15:11:37 it says "unable to locate package libalarm" May 06 15:11:59 ok, try with libhildonfm May 06 15:12:20 same May 06 15:13:38 ah, I see. try with libalarm0 May 06 15:16:41 http://rafb.net/p/woZjlM13.html May 06 15:16:51 lirakis_work, for libalarm0 I see version 0.5.18 installed, and for libhildonfm2 I see 1:1.9.49 installed May 06 15:17:14 yes, I think the versions I have came with the new OS release May 06 15:17:17 johnx: soo.. what does that mean for me? May 06 15:17:19 oh ok May 06 15:17:37 I think I would remember if I updated core system stuff like that by hand May 06 15:18:21 johnx: alright.. kinda sux but (shrug) .. i just want to get mail setup to play nice with gmail ... im surprised that gmail imap is so jacked with the default mail client May 06 15:18:38 the default client is jacked. full stop. May 06 15:18:46 lol May 06 15:18:56 johnx: so would you reccomend claws or modest? May 06 15:19:01 I like modest May 06 15:19:01 or some thing else May 06 15:19:03 ok May 06 15:19:08 nice big finger friendly labels May 06 15:19:17 cool .. that sounds good to me May 06 15:19:18 :D May 06 15:19:28 if you need the features in claws then go for it, but definitely try modest first May 06 15:19:41 johnx: i appreciate your help.. i will work towards doing a firmware update May 06 15:20:18 when you flash the new OS, don't even give the default email client your account info, otherwise it will lork in the background taking up CPU time May 06 15:20:42 johnx: ooo May 06 15:20:46 johnx: good tip May 06 15:21:21 the next release Nokia does will make modest the builtin email client (and also allow updates without a reflash) May 06 15:22:23 johnx: .. now do you know if i can reflash to the latest? May 06 15:22:31 or do i need to do sequential updates? May 06 15:22:53 reflash directly to the latest May 06 15:22:57 ok great May 06 15:22:59 each flash is a complete system May 06 15:23:12 even replaces parts it doesn't need to :) May 06 15:25:13 otoh one could easily write a script that extracts / dpkg-repacks all packages in an image and put the stuff on a local repository and get "seamless updates" right now ;) May 06 15:26:21 and maybe it would even work if they actually designed the .deb packages with upgrading in mind :) May 06 15:27:28 heh are there really packages with same version but different content? May 06 15:27:44 I don't mean that. I mean handling configuration changes and such May 06 15:27:48 ah May 06 15:27:51 yeah May 06 15:28:08 dpkg --purge :p May 06 15:32:12 does anyone know the path to "Documents, Games, Etc..." May 06 15:32:31 im trying to find it... the dir structure is quite bizzare May 06 15:32:40 no but im sure its paved with good intentions May 06 15:32:46 (sorry bad pun) May 06 15:33:16 "Documents" is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents May 06 15:33:42 Games and Audio are both other hidden directories under MyDocs May 06 15:34:18 johnx: great thanks May 06 15:44:21 Hi, going to see if I can get google gears working offline. May 06 15:44:43 scibot, Have you seen the stuff on itt about it? May 06 15:45:15 Yep, I think I might know a work around for the browser. May 06 15:45:45 ah, very cool May 06 15:46:13 It's a hunch at the moment, I just need my n800 to finish some downloads before I start playing with offline mode. =P May 06 15:51:25 I would really like to get Remember the Milk and Google Docs working offline. =) May 06 16:12:21 Okay testing. May 06 16:15:10 Shit, didn't work. =/ May 06 16:15:37 hello May 06 16:15:41 hi May 06 16:15:56 hi May 06 16:31:24 libfakeroot: connect: Connection timed out <- wtf? May 06 16:34:45 Just got a Nokia N810, seeing I have to use the flasher here. Why can't this thing apt-get dist-upgrade? What is the flasher doing that apt-get dist-upgrade couldn't do? May 06 16:35:08 upgrade kernel and whatnot May 06 16:35:30 provide a known state :) May 06 16:35:31 also, nokia probably hasn't designed .deb packages with upgrading in mind. May 06 16:35:45 they plan to have apt-get upgrades in the next release May 06 16:35:54 johnx, Got it working, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP/ May 06 16:36:04 johnx: they do? sweet May 06 16:36:12 ah, the ol' dummyiap May 06 16:36:15 I was hoping for a cleaner solution than that, but it's there if people need it. =/ May 06 16:36:29 Fatal, yeah "Seamless software upgrade" or some such buzzword May 06 16:37:00 haha, got to love new buzzwords for old known concepts May 06 16:37:17 Web 2.0! Ajax! May 06 16:37:52 you forgot dhtml May 06 16:37:56 :) May 06 16:38:09 Ah, right May 06 16:38:11 does anyone use dhtml these days? May 06 16:38:14 That one died out a while ago May 06 16:38:49 yeah, I saw a neat demo once, but I guess it never developed the momentum that the latest AJAX craze has May 06 16:40:52 Fatal: why, what would you call it :) May 06 16:41:34 "you don't have to $%&$ing reflash your tablet everyime you change something"-upgrades May 06 16:41:39 rolls off the tongue, no? May 06 16:42:25 sp3000: "Fully automated manual upgrade procedure using apt or whatever or maybe not" May 06 16:43:08 but those are longer May 06 16:43:26 d00d May 06 16:43:31 y wun bc build May 06 16:43:39 i needs teh browser engine svn May 06 16:43:45 :<<<<< May 06 16:44:14 ah, great, you just used the less-than sign quota for the whole month :/ May 06 16:44:23 lol May 06 16:44:29 sp3000, it doesn't really need a buzzword is the problem... May 06 16:44:43 Woo, less than! May 06 16:45:32 yeah, we'll have to :!<= until june May 06 16:45:36 er May 06 16:45:48 * johnx loves aptitude May 06 16:45:50 :!>= even May 06 16:46:53 yay May 06 16:47:04 * Navi hates APT in general May 06 16:47:09 johnx: meh, things need names, that one is reasonably concise and descriptive given the context of flashable updates May 06 16:47:47 yeah, it's fine. It's just that it doesn't have a name anywhere else because it's what people expect May 06 16:49:49 Why am I getting timeouts with libfakeroot in sb? May 06 16:51:06 see if your machine's loopback iface is up? May 06 16:51:12 ifconfig lo May 06 16:52:03 l May 06 16:52:06 It's up May 06 16:52:09 ahhahahaha. May 06 16:52:13 johnx, Okay works fine, I use the DummyIAP and http://www.rememberthemilk.com/offline and it does its thing, after that I switch into offline mode to minimise battery usage. May 06 16:52:32 Don't need bluetooth running otherwise. May 06 16:52:47 scibot, that's pretty cool May 06 16:52:51 Navi, I don't know, then May 06 16:53:02 :/ May 06 16:53:56 huh, can't even ping myself May 06 16:53:59 johnx, It's a bit of a pain and I can't wait for them to sort it out properly, but for now that means I can use it anywhere provided I'm ready to spend 10 seconds selecting the DEFAULT connection. May 06 16:54:00 reboot it is May 06 16:54:27 johnx, Should I add that to the latest google gears thread? May 06 16:54:52 that would probably be nice May 06 17:01:23 has here anyone put Ubuntu Hardy on their N8x0? May 06 17:01:29 :P May 06 17:02:04 :) I just put it on my laptop and desktop box.. give me time :p May 06 17:02:05 maybe that guy who posted the page about it? May 06 17:02:13 (kidding) May 06 17:02:33 ah, hardy. Someone compiled the feisty packages I believe May 06 17:02:42 and debian runs of course May 06 17:02:56 what were you looking for in hardy (out of curiosity)? May 06 17:03:15 my bad....I meant gutsy.... hardy is not done yet.... May 06 17:03:43 i want a good pim, so I want to see how well evolution is on the it May 06 17:03:50 heh May 06 17:03:53 ahahaha May 06 17:03:54 ahaha May 06 17:03:56 *cough* May 06 17:03:57 Woo, bc installed May 06 17:04:08 johnx, a lot of people on ITT have this misconception. May 06 17:04:13 it's not nice to laugh :( May 06 17:04:22 I'm thinking evolution will be a little starved for RAM May 06 17:04:47 nah, I'm laughing at how big of an app evolution is for a mail client and the thought of subjecting an innocent n8x0 to it May 06 17:04:59 i think your right, but I'd like to see. there has GOT to a reasonable pim for this thing. May 06 17:05:00 WorkingOnWise, sorry to laugh :| May 06 17:05:11 You're so mean May 06 17:05:42 The new pimlico stuff needs to be ported over May 06 17:05:56 someone do that while I sleep May 06 17:05:56 there's newer stuff than what we have? May 06 17:06:05 They split it into backend/frontend May 06 17:06:11 it needs hildonization? or what? May 06 17:06:15 and none of that stuff has been ported ovah May 06 17:06:48 the stuff that we have now isn't being worked on :/ May 06 17:07:01 hildonization, I guess May 06 17:07:44 I want to try Google Docs, but I think I might've set it to deny it from using google gears... May 06 17:07:53 Anyone know how to change that? May 06 17:08:32 WorkingOnWise, gene cash's todo and calend seem nice May 06 17:08:46 sorry for the lag. getting coffee. May 06 17:09:04 no problem. I understand the need for coffee May 06 17:10:56 in a perfect world, is what I want is a pim that has great contact management and cal functions, that will at least import/export clean standard files soi can manually sync. is what i have seen so far is some nice things that dont integrate well with each other at all.... May 06 17:11:35 todo would be great, but that is pretty easy to manage on multiple machines. May 06 17:11:54 integration looks like the sticking point in all this stuff :/ May 06 17:11:59 translate - Evolution on the IT :D May 06 17:12:04 it really is May 06 17:12:36 you really like this idea, huh? May 06 17:12:54 the idea of evolution on the IT? May 06 17:12:56 I'll tell you what, while I'm working on debian, I'll install it and take a screenshot, fair enough? May 06 17:14:08 ok. then we know howmuch of a dogit really ishuh! May 06 17:15:28 mainly the problem will be screen real estate and memory usage May 06 17:15:34 (I think) May 06 17:17:26 yeah. i just shrank the evolution window down to 800x480. the interface would need some changes for that small a screen May 06 17:17:51 run top and tell me about the memory usage... May 06 17:19:18 50MB for the 3 components May 06 17:19:31 hey, that's not that bad May 06 17:19:36 I thought it would be far worse May 06 17:19:40 i wasexpecting 100+ May 06 17:19:59 yeah, me too May 06 17:20:14 one more reason tolove evolution May 06 17:20:24 so if you can tolerate it being squished up with tiny fonts, than sure it'll be runnable in debian May 06 17:21:53 i'll tel you what. If I have evolution runable on my 800, I'd learn what I need to tweak the interface so its better on the IT. maybe a mini-forkovevolution. May 06 17:22:07 darn crumbs under my space bar!!! May 06 17:22:31 oh for the want of crumbless bread! May 06 17:22:55 alright, well, I'll do a new Debian release sometime in the next couple weeks and you can have evolution :) May 06 17:23:01 Woo May 06 17:23:08 BTW: The new seamless updates are debian package based updates May 06 17:23:12 johnx is evolving! May 06 17:23:19 * Navi hums the Pokemon evolution song May 06 17:23:19 you'd be my HERO johnx!!!! May 06 17:23:19 And it works really well. May 06 17:23:32 johnx, Well at least that sorts out which todo list application I'll be using. May 06 17:23:33 konttori, cool May 06 17:23:40 WorkingOnWise, don't get your hopes up. Debian still has a *long* way to go in usability on the n8x0 May 06 17:24:12 but it will give you a good idea of how evolution would perform if you just did a straight compile for os2008 May 06 17:24:21 shhh....dont dash me so fast man! lemme bask in the false glory!!!!! May 06 17:24:30 cool May 06 17:24:32 I'm very much hoping you guys will enjoy them. Well, also the update notification, I'm really especially looking forward to see how much that helps the developers lives May 06 17:24:33 lol May 06 17:24:45 Yay, that stoopid microb svn is building (finally) May 06 17:24:50 konttori, that sounds really nice May 06 17:30:00 johnx: I would also like to know of the evolution speed. May 06 17:30:12 so would I May 06 17:30:34 By the way, the addressbook on maemo is using the same backend for contacts as evolution is (EDS) May 06 17:30:35 I'll try it once this apt-get upgrade finishes and I can make a quick rsync May 06 17:30:39 just sat back down...I wasnt laughing at you konttori a few mins ago there May 06 17:30:54 WorkingOnWise: good for you! May 06 17:31:08 konttori, so does that give us the possibility of syncing it without too much pain May 06 17:31:09 ? May 06 17:31:44 konttori, ooh May 06 17:31:52 syncevolution ftw May 06 17:32:01 johnx: Well, you should be able to use any eds based upstream syncing suites to do the job May 06 17:32:08 Navi: indeed May 06 17:32:33 Anyway, so if you find such things, compile, pack and launch to the people. I'm sure they will be appreciated May 06 17:32:44 you can do the same with pimlico, but I'm much too lazy to try it myself May 06 17:32:59 that really doesn't sound that hard. I'm surprised no one has done it yet... May 06 17:33:00 or, you can just do the syncing yourself on python using the python abook libraries May 06 17:33:09 johnx, probably isn't May 06 17:33:18 should not be too hard that way (e.g. google syncing) May 06 17:33:23 I'll give it a go after exam week is over May 06 17:33:45 Two more exams and this semester is over, woo \o/ May 06 17:34:15 fun, fun May 06 17:34:17 Navi: what school? May 06 17:34:34 UT @ Arlington May 06 17:35:19 I should hold back on the personal information more. May 06 17:39:00 why are my gmail IM's coming in on both my desktop and my n810? May 06 17:39:08 I'm marked as away on my n810. May 06 17:39:15 That's what it does. May 06 17:39:18 Is the IM client on the n810 broken? May 06 17:39:26 Or is it simply buggy? May 06 17:39:29 You usually stop getting IMs on one when you respond on the other May 06 17:39:41 nope. May 06 17:39:49 I've responded from the desktop. May 06 17:40:05 and anyway, if I'm 'away', why should I be getting more than one IM notification? May 06 17:40:13 * Navi shrugs May 06 17:40:27 seems to me like it should ping me once per person if I'm away, and shut up after that. May 06 17:40:36 anyway, it's being very annoying. May 06 17:40:52 what's the behavior on the desktop version? May 06 17:40:59 Probably not a bug, rather just a problem in implementation. May 06 17:41:16 you could file an enhancement request May 06 17:41:21 nevermind, I'll just turn my n810 off. May 06 17:41:46 it won't get fixed unless you tell someone about it... May 06 17:41:51 Enhancement request is the best... May 06 17:42:09 johnx: right, because it's not open source. May 06 17:42:24 http://opensource.org/node/333 May 06 17:42:25 er, is this rtcomm beta? May 06 17:42:36 or something else? May 06 17:42:38 oh, btw, ever had the issue that the n810 just doesn't see a wifi network ? May 06 17:42:57 nelson: it's controlled by the client on the remote end May 06 17:43:19 like, it picks up 5 other networks, but is unable to see the access point 5ft away from ya ? May 06 17:43:37 the usual behaviour is every resource receives the messages, until one replies, in which case a well-behaved client will reply to just that client May 06 17:43:42 crashanddie, never May 06 17:44:00 awayness isn't a factor, unless you separately (by setting a negative priority) indicate you don't want to receive messages May 06 17:44:04 nelson, what does that link have to do with, btw? May 06 17:44:27 johnx: just because you build your software with open source bits, if it's proprietary, it'll still suck. May 06 17:45:00 the XMPP behaviour of the N810's IM client is entirely determined by an open source component May 06 17:45:02 sucky software != proprietary software May 06 17:45:36 nelson, but you just linked to a random article on your own blog complaining about the usability of closed source stuff. Am I missing something? May 06 17:45:37 Robot101: hmmm..... so it sounds like it's gtalk that's screwing up. May 06 17:45:53 Where the messages are sent is completely server-side anyways. May 06 17:45:56 nelson: what client is the one that's messaging you? and do you keep receiving duplicated messages even after you've replied? May 06 17:46:09 and nelson, the part of rtcomm that handles gtalk stuff is probably open source... May 06 17:46:16 Robot101: gmail and ... yes. May 06 17:46:20 johnx, libpurple is open May 06 17:46:36 it doesn't use libpurple on the device by default May 06 17:46:37 ^gtalk May 06 17:46:45 telepathy is used, and it's entirely open source May 06 17:46:57 you can add a telepathy backend which uses libpurple if you wish May 06 17:47:10 nelson: weird, I'd have expected gmail to get it right May 06 17:47:36 nelson: that's an issue on their end though, there's a simple trick which is to direct replies to the last resource you received messages from, which we do. May 06 17:47:39 It got it right the last time I tried it May 06 17:47:43 (months ago) May 06 17:49:57 so it looks like the problem is in gtalk, then. oh well. Have to get back to the issue I was being im'ed about, thanks all. May 06 18:35:00 zomg, gp2x has a paint program now. May 06 18:36:06 do you have a gp2x? May 06 18:36:15 Not anymore May 06 18:36:28 it's for the F200s anyways May 06 19:14:47 What is the "HOME" button on N810? May 06 19:15:51 it's the upper one in the left side (left on the display, not in the keyboard) May 06 19:16:25 the one with a square and a hook May 06 19:17:21 probably.. May 06 20:40:44 n800 supports bt ssp yes? May 06 21:02:10 so i reflashed to the newest os2008 on my n810 and installed modest May 06 21:02:17 .. but i cant figure out which "mail" it is May 06 21:02:31 i installed it under communications... but i just see two applications that say "mail" May 06 21:05:12 and when i start them .. they both look exactly the same May 06 21:08:49 nice .. i got it .. just uninstalled and reinstalled to extras May 06 21:15:49 has somebody ported cplay ( commandline music player. ) for 2008HE? May 06 21:15:53 or 2007HE. May 06 21:16:53 has any one had success getting mono on OS2008 May 06 21:22:27 the std or the .net clone? May 06 21:29:27 when are you going to port wine? May 06 21:30:03 I want to play WoW on my 770 May 06 21:35:33 use vnc May 06 21:44:27 evening gents May 06 21:44:38 hi lcuk May 06 21:44:44 hi lcuk May 06 21:44:58 whos got their 810 with them May 06 21:45:09 8x0^ May 06 21:45:35 I've got an N800 here and my n810 is somewhere around May 06 21:45:36 * KotCzarny has 800 May 06 21:45:52 when you are in here, does it sit idle May 06 21:46:03 in where? May 06 21:46:13 sat talking May 06 21:46:16 when I'm talking you mean? May 06 21:46:28 yer, im thinking of making an ickle game May 06 21:46:30 mine is somewhere on my desk May 06 21:46:32 No, I usually only log on when I'm doing dev work May 06 21:46:41 lcukÂ:on my N810 in a keynote about whizzy JavaFX stuff May 06 21:47:04 im just thinking something dead simple that would suit the device and which could have lots of players May 06 21:47:10 Jaffa: Have you asked them nicely if they won't sue...? :) May 06 21:47:36 :D w00t jaffa May 06 21:48:04 something like multi player airhockey May 06 21:48:26 Jaffa: javaFX ? May 06 21:48:40 hum May 06 21:48:53 i treat irc as a game May 06 21:48:53 :) May 06 21:49:05 so do i - but i faff whilst im talking May 06 21:49:16 i spin my pen or my lighter or i doodle May 06 21:51:04 * lardman is writing DSP task for sbcenc May 06 21:51:20 sbc ? May 06 21:51:31 a2dp May 06 21:51:35 ahm May 06 21:51:55 only writing the DSP task bit though, the main stuff will be in a thread it lauches May 06 21:55:38 which is better on a nokia 770 ... 2007HE or 2006? ... i run pidgin, builtin browser and mplayer/builtin video player May 06 21:55:49 need performance way more than visual May 06 21:56:03 but if its 0.1% difference... visual will be better lol May 06 21:56:47 probably 2006 then May 06 21:57:03 2006 is better? May 06 21:57:06 noticeably? May 06 21:57:23 does google talk work on 2006? May 06 21:57:23 I run 2006, so I'm only going from what I've heard May 06 21:57:38 My understanding is that 2007HE is slower May 06 21:57:42 as soon as i bought my nokia i updated to 2007HE ? then 2008HE but 2008 is too buggy / slow on 770 May 06 21:57:49 can you run google talk on yours? May 06 21:58:02 the builtin chat/ internet call ? May 06 21:58:31 I've never tried I'm afraid May 06 21:58:45 why? May 06 21:58:52 i do it fine on my nokia 770 May 06 21:58:58 I've no need of it May 06 21:59:03 real great. but i dont know if it works on 2006? May 06 21:59:10 real nice IM'ing? May 06 21:59:24 I'm happy to try it for you to avoid a wasted reflash May 06 21:59:31 where do I download it from? May 06 22:00:13 anybody know why i`m getting error message about problems with initliazing screen handling ? (irssi) May 06 22:00:37 lardman May 06 22:00:39 its builtin May 06 22:00:47 on the "home" .. on left side click on the ppl May 06 22:00:52 under the web picture at top left May 06 22:01:05 and tell me if theres "internet call and chat button" .. thanks May 06 22:01:12 term-sig: i got those too May 06 22:01:21 I have: View contacts; View Inbox; New e-mail; New call; New Chat May 06 22:01:31 yes thank you May 06 22:01:37 do you know where i could find the 2006 bin's? May 06 22:01:42 that link ? May 06 22:01:55 i was there yesterday but i cant seem to find it at the moment May 06 22:01:56 was it even released for 2006? May 06 22:02:04 lardman: how much did you pay for your rs-mmc? May 06 22:02:13 what was released for 2006? May 06 22:02:16 £12 May 06 22:02:20 for 4Gb May 06 22:02:23 :O May 06 22:02:23 how May 06 22:02:24 where May 06 22:02:30 mobymemory.co.uk May 06 22:02:30 in uk, probably May 06 22:02:31 :> May 06 22:02:41 wish i knew earlier May 06 22:02:45 my whole family is from the uk May 06 22:02:49 and some just came to visit lol May 06 22:03:09 i need cheap ones for canada ;p May 06 22:03:16 ask them to send it? May 06 22:03:17 :) May 06 22:03:18 £12.99 inc VAT to be exact May 06 22:03:28 im thinking that May 06 22:03:34 but it might be easier by ebay? May 06 22:03:37 as a birthday gift etc. May 06 22:03:39 shocking that something in the UK is cheap :) May 06 22:03:46 my birthday was like a month ago lol May 06 22:04:02 lardman: oh yeah.. lol i been to the uk uhmm 4 times? im 17 .. live in Toronto Canada May 06 22:04:07 zakm: It's a Sandisk card though, so you'll need an adaptor made by someone else May 06 22:04:08 lardman: food expensive eh? :P May 06 22:04:17 i have many adapters May 06 22:04:33 hey would minisd's work? May 06 22:04:38 there somewhat the same size arent they? May 06 22:04:44 zakm: Everything in expensive, especially petrol/gas (well gas is too now that I think about it) May 06 22:05:03 hah petrol :P May 06 22:05:11 yeah well .. bus fair is good in the uk May 06 22:05:16 where abouts in the uk are you? May 06 22:05:26 zakm: Should do, but micro do larger sizes for less money May 06 22:05:31 In Bath May 06 22:05:37 micro or mini? May 06 22:05:41 Bath? never heard of May 06 22:05:56 Has famous Roman Baths May 06 22:06:51 i wish somebody just knocked on my house door and sold me a rs-mmc :( May 06 22:07:00 i so want to install debian on it May 06 22:07:03 :D May 06 22:07:15 Why can't you use a standard SD? May 06 22:07:19 they work? May 06 22:07:24 ive tried.. it wouldnt recognize it ? May 06 22:07:26 on the 770? May 06 22:07:28 yeah May 06 22:07:31 i have a 770 May 06 22:07:38 how do you get them to work ? May 06 22:07:42 have you flashed custom kernel? May 06 22:07:44 no? May 06 22:07:51 is that all i have to do? May 06 22:07:54 probably May 06 22:07:58 lol May 06 22:08:03 any guide on it? May 06 22:08:06 im running linux atm May 06 22:08:06 zakm: ah no, it's a reduced size slot; getting confused with the N800 May 06 22:08:16 ah May 06 22:08:22 well May 06 22:08:25 SD's half fit? May 06 22:08:32 width wise they fit? but stick out May 06 22:08:42 but the door must be closed for it to be mounted.... May 06 22:08:45 still, default kernel doesn't know about sd protocol May 06 22:08:51 oh May 06 22:08:57 didnt know that May 06 22:08:57 zakm: then u fix that problem with irssi? May 06 22:09:10 no. i just stopped using it term-sig .. i run xchat instead May 06 22:09:13 runs very well on it :D May 06 22:09:49 i personally love irssi for desktop but idk what it is xchat is nice on the nokia May 06 22:10:07 and has visual tabs.. so you can press .. :P rather than typing on the nokia to change channels May 06 22:10:36 could anyone please help me find a toronto store selling cheap rs-mmc .. or craigslist / ebay or something May 06 22:12:36 anyone happen to know which bit of Bluez the sbc encoder lives in? May 06 22:13:50 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/ has a recursive source directory May 06 22:16:29 bluez-utils May 06 22:23:30 hmm, svn didn't do quite what I was hoping... May 06 22:26:02 Uh... May 06 22:26:09 Where can I grab the proprietary packages? May 06 22:26:20 for tablet-browser-ui and such, that is May 06 22:26:47 crap - ubuntu updated unison to 2.27 - now unison on maemo is too old to sync - if someone could compile I would be very grateful :) May 06 22:27:04 Navi: for scratchbox? May 06 22:27:16 I need armel packages. May 06 22:27:37 Navi: binaries should be on the device? May 06 22:27:49 I removed osso-browser, tablet-browser-ui, tablet-browser-controls, and tablet-browser-default-plugin May 06 22:27:54 http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison//download/releases/unison-2.27.57/unison-2.27.57.tar.gz <- :D May 06 22:27:55 and they're not in the repos May 06 22:27:56 oh, I see May 06 22:28:00 they are May 06 22:28:04 but in a different one May 06 22:28:05 i think May 06 22:28:08 Link me. May 06 22:28:12 moment May 06 22:29:12 oh, and microb-eal May 06 22:29:17 I can't see anything of interest under chinook or maemo4.0 May 06 22:29:41 repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/microb-eal/microb-eal_0.2.1-1.tar.gz May 06 22:29:42 etc. May 06 22:29:47 erm May 06 22:29:56 that's source though May 06 22:30:10 crap - it came from hardy-backports - grumble May 06 22:30:11 oooh, free, I forgot that May 06 22:30:47 but osso-browser, it's the proper name? May 06 22:31:01 Yes, that's the proper package name. May 06 22:31:02 Navi: There's always the repo provided by the Garage project May 06 22:31:14 I have it in my sources.list May 06 22:31:44 ok, so the other ones aren't available for chinook May 06 22:31:49 I'd try http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/3.2/install/microb-browser.install, otherwise I don't know May 06 22:31:59 ah, 3.2 I see May 06 22:33:34 they are for bora though May 06 22:33:42 yep May 06 22:34:42 microb-browser? May 06 22:34:49 is that better than the default in 2006? May 06 22:36:46 not sure it will work in 2006 May 06 22:37:11 but it has more features, but is slower than Opera IMO May 06 22:37:43 Ugh May 06 22:37:48 This is retarded May 06 22:38:38 uhm is it possible to have 2007 default skin.. in 2006? May 06 22:39:07 probably May 06 22:39:08 :) May 06 22:39:50 the 2006 skin is uhmm .. ugly imho May 06 22:41:35 I prefer the small buttons though; would be good if they were an option on OS2008 May 06 22:42:04 you can download old skins May 06 22:42:08 like small pt skins May 06 22:42:11 of the default skins May 06 22:42:52 Are the themes compatible? As it's a theme setting rather than a skin May 06 22:43:19 isn't skin a theme? May 06 22:43:19 no May 06 22:43:24 yeah sorry May 06 22:43:32 theres the default themes.. but in different size fonts May 06 22:43:34 KotCzarny: part of it May 06 22:43:41 as a "extra package' May 06 22:48:04 How do you extract the image? May 06 22:48:06 is the newest 2006 .. bora or mistral / gregale ? May 06 22:48:11 extract the image? May 06 22:49:17 the FIASCO image May 06 22:49:44 why would you extract it? May 06 22:49:51 you install with it May 06 22:50:26 look at the help for the flasher May 06 22:50:45 ruin it without any arguments; there's an option to unpack the FIASCO image May 06 22:50:53 s/ruin/run May 06 22:50:56 ah, didn't see it May 06 22:51:14 is 2006 .. gregale or mistral? May 06 22:54:10 night all May 06 23:00:53 Dangit May 06 23:01:25 I upgraded to the latest 2008 for my n810 and now when i try to install mplayer it says "unable to install mplayer" May 06 23:03:38 It gives no "details" either so .. I have no clue whats wrong :O May 06 23:09:49 Fyi: i have  OS2008 May 06 23:09:50 Version: 2.2007.51-3 May 06 23:09:53 this kind of error is sometimes caused by your repos being screwed up. just have a rummage through and clean up any unrequired ones May 06 23:10:09 I literally reflashed this a few hours ago May 06 23:10:14 I havent added any repos May 06 23:10:30 have you run any .installs May 06 23:10:31 I enabled the extras repo... But nothing besides that May 06 23:10:48 Yeah.. I installed "modest mail" May 06 23:10:58 .install adds repos May 06 23:11:02 or can May 06 23:11:08 Ok May 06 23:11:31 .. But i mean.. Should i just disable the modest repos and try to install mplayeR? May 06 23:11:51 its worth a shot, and in doing so the repo list will be rebuilt :) May 06 23:12:02 application list i mean May 06 23:12:44 Ok .. Yeah i just went and looked .. Modest is the only other repo that wasnt in by default May 06 23:13:57 Wtf May 06 23:14:06 Now it doesnt even show mlpayer.. Only kmplayer May 06 23:14:25 enable extras now May 06 23:14:26 :) May 06 23:14:49 and obtain it from the correct location :) does that mean modest is hosting mplayer? May 06 23:15:01 or at least advertising it May 06 23:15:30 I disabled modest... Then i disabled extras May 06 23:15:36 then i let it rebuild May 06 23:15:41 Then i enabled extras May 06 23:15:47 Then i search for mplayer May 06 23:15:55 and it only shows kmplayer May 06 23:15:57 is there any other emulation besides scuumvm , gba and mame? May 06 23:16:02 gba reboots my nokia 770 -.- May 06 23:16:07 zakm: pupnik.de May 06 23:16:55 kmplayer is the front end to mplayer isnt it May 06 23:17:00 Yeah May 06 23:17:01 a* May 06 23:17:15 But if it cant find mplayer i bet it will fail May 06 23:17:25 And i dont want kmplayer.. Just mplayert May 06 23:17:27 lol May 06 23:17:31 mplayer is cli ? May 06 23:17:35 No May 06 23:17:35 you can run mplayer in terminal? May 06 23:17:42 gmplayer = the mplayer your probably trhinking of May 06 23:17:43 it has a stripped down file load front end May 06 23:17:48 yeah gmplayer May 06 23:17:54 oh May 06 23:17:54 go here http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ May 06 23:18:03 click the .install and get yourself the correct repos May 06 23:18:05 GMPLauncher May 06 23:18:29 where can be found the latest version of osso-xterm, packaged as a .deb? May 06 23:18:37 i have it on my 2006 ;p May 06 23:18:45 jldiaz: inz.fi or something May 06 23:19:07 hey would 2005 bef aster than 2006 ? lol May 06 23:19:08 I downloaded yesterday from sse2.net/xterm May 06 23:19:14 ^ May 06 23:19:22 but this not seems to be an official site May 06 23:19:23 Uh.. Wtf .. Now it says mplayer is already installed May 06 23:19:28 This is bizzare May 06 23:19:35 http://maemo-hackers.org/ May 06 23:19:38 why is not published at garage? May 06 23:22:35 official? isnt it all community-based mostly May 06 23:23:19 well, I mean, osso-xterm is hosted at garage, and there you can download the source code from svn and compile yourself May 06 23:23:28 but there is not a .deb for the latest tagged version May 06 23:23:49 instead, you have to download it from private user's sites May 06 23:24:25 the version at maemo-hackers seems to be a bit outdated, isn't? May 06 23:24:36 there is no version for chinook... May 06 23:24:38 why not just use the repo ? May 06 23:24:45 Bizzare,, mplayer says unable to install .. But it shows up in the menu.. And it runs .. It just doesnt play vids ... So i installl kmplayer and it works fine May 06 23:24:47 chinook has its own term May 06 23:25:01 which is also called osso-xterm May 06 23:25:11 isnt? May 06 23:25:19 yeah May 06 23:25:21 This is the kind of shit that made me put debian in the garbage and move to freebsd May 06 23:25:22 I'm confused about the whole xterm affair May 06 23:25:26 lol May 06 23:25:41 xterm is nice i used to use it for my desktop May 06 23:25:43 now i use urxvt May 06 23:26:10 let me clarify myself... I have a n810 with OS2008 May 06 23:26:19 it comes with a "Xterm" in the extras menu May 06 23:26:40 it is ok, but when I switch off the toolbar, it reappears next time I launch it May 06 23:26:44 this is annoying May 06 23:26:57 ;p May 06 23:26:59 someone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version" May 06 23:27:00 so save ur settings May 06 23:27:16 no, zakm. Apparently it is a bug. That setting is not saved May 06 23:27:25 jldiaz find out the xterm config file and change it .. so everytime you open xxterm it reads what u want May 06 23:27:29 even if you modify "at hand" the %gconf file, it reappears May 06 23:27:37 ah May 06 23:27:47 so someone at this channel told me to install the "latest osso-xterm svn version" May 06 23:28:07 at that time I assumed that this was a nokia project May 06 23:28:21 it fixed the aforementioned bug May 06 23:28:38 but it was only available in source code form May 06 23:29:07 someone pointed me to http://sse2.net/xterm/ May 06 23:29:18 there were the .debs May 06 23:29:47 I downloaded and installed them, and now I'm happy with my xterm, because the statusbar setting is preserved May 06 23:30:04 in addition, this version lets me to choose the encoding May 06 23:30:37 anyone try scuumvm on nokia? May 06 23:30:49 now, I was about blogging about this, but then realized that http://sse2.net/xterm/ seems an inappropiate site to refer to May 06 23:31:08 apparently it is a personal server of the guy that was helping me in this channel May 06 23:31:11 you have a nokia blog? May 06 23:31:28 this is why I'm asking now about other "more official" site to find the .deb May 06 23:31:49 I will have one, still did not write the first entry :-) May 06 23:32:47 is it possible to run debian on a 64mb rs-mmc card? May 06 23:32:49 on the nokia May 06 23:33:16 unlikely May 06 23:33:17 :) May 06 23:33:25 could i use the 128mb internal? May 06 23:33:36 unlikely May 06 23:33:46 but i haven't tried it May 06 23:33:47 are you sure of anything? :D lol May 06 23:34:02 i want to try debian :( May 06 23:34:06 A question May 06 23:34:06 well on the nokia.. May 06 23:34:35 in the control panel, how is named in english the item related to the "text input" or "text entry" May 06 23:34:51 my device is localized in spanish, and it calls it "Entrada de texto" May 06 23:36:07 do a spanish to english dictionary? May 06 23:36:24 Text input settings May 06 23:36:45 I would prefer to know the exact wording used by nokia May 06 23:36:56 anyway, forget about it May 06 23:37:16 I re-localized the device in english, so I can find the answer myself May 06 23:37:31 lol May 06 23:37:35 i checked on my nokia. May 06 23:37:36 aha... "Text input settings" May 06 23:37:42 i didnt do a translator May 06 23:37:54 Anyone been able to get tomboy notes running under maemo? May 06 23:38:11 MrDowntempo: didnt know you could .. i just use the builtin notes app May 06 23:38:18 oh, you answered me... I didn't read your answer, sorry. May 06 23:38:20 and thanks May 06 23:38:37 jldiaz: btw, it's my server and there are no official debs of newer osso-xterm versions at the moment. May 06 23:39:07 ah, jott, yes... You were the guy which helped me. Thanks again and sorry for forgetting your nick May 06 23:39:19 jldiaz: may ping the project members like inz if they are willing to put a more recent version on the garage site... May 06 23:41:29 that would be the appropiate place, as i suppose the extras repository is not meant for bumping versions of core components May 06 23:43:22 jldiaz: http://770.fs-security-com/xterm May 06 23:43:36 bad link May 06 23:43:43 why? May 06 23:44:46 -com vs. .com :) May 06 23:45:25 oh May 06 23:52:34 ben-hur May 06 23:52:36 hehe May 06 23:53:59 heh May 07 00:00:39 hi May 07 00:03:54 :] May 07 00:04:41 hi .. my nokia is just all white May 07 00:04:49 it was fine .. then i shut it off.. then i turned it on May 07 00:04:51 and it stays white May 07 00:04:55 i tried charger .. etc May 07 00:05:02 and then it goes like May 07 00:05:06 silver? and freezes May 07 00:05:09 like really odd looking May 07 00:05:16 alot of veritcal lines May 07 00:05:19 wsod May 07 00:05:23 white screen of death May 07 00:05:25 how do i fix? May 07 00:05:33 google for 770 wsod May 07 00:05:34 :) May 07 00:06:17 it was working fine two seconds ago -.- May 07 00:06:44 people die too May 07 00:07:17 lol May 07 00:07:20 not the same thing lol May 07 00:07:47 yeah, electronics can be fixed after death May 07 00:07:51 by replacing some parts May 07 00:08:53 no way May 07 00:08:56 i just bought it May 07 00:08:57 :( May 07 00:09:00 i dont have money to fix it May 07 00:09:08 i spent all my money May 07 00:09:09 probably just software thing May 07 00:09:53 it wont connect to pc? May 07 00:10:36 can't help you more than directing to google May 07 00:10:47 because i don't own a 770 May 07 00:10:48 :) May 07 00:11:25 reflashing it May 07 00:11:26 -.- May 07 00:11:30 luckily pc recognizes it May 07 00:12:22 :) May 07 00:12:42 you will get used to reflashing May 07 00:14:23 lol May 07 00:14:31 now i have a black box? May 07 00:14:33 in the center lol May 07 00:14:35 and thats it May 07 00:14:53 reflashing didnt help :( May 07 00:14:56 zakm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7770 does not sound that promising May 07 00:15:03 seems your device is really dead :( May 07 00:15:26 i was just using it May 07 00:15:30 on gba emulation May 07 00:15:33 trying it out? May 07 00:15:37 the visualboyadvance from repo May 07 00:15:43 pllayed a game.. rebooted it May 07 00:15:48 and now its a brick? May 07 00:17:19 all rightee May 07 00:17:35 hmm May 07 00:17:42 if it responds to flasher try different os? May 07 00:17:49 reflashed with the latest microb-engine svn installed :/ May 07 00:18:03 KotCzarny: you mean like 2008 mameo? May 07 00:18:09 Anyone know any good JS benches? May 07 00:18:19 zakm: anything May 07 00:18:21 :) May 07 00:18:36 dont have anything else May 07 00:18:40 and only a 64mb rs-mmc? May 07 00:18:45 im trying 2008 May 07 00:19:00 lcuk: know how to fix a recent WSOD? May 07 00:19:34 never personally seen one and hope i never do, nope sorry May 07 00:20:21 omg any thoughts May 07 00:20:25 i just bought it off ebay two weeks ago May 07 00:20:28 so i have no warranty May 07 00:20:33 and im broke financially now May 07 00:20:44 from the article jott posted it looks like a hardware issue, device seems to boot May 07 00:21:04 i would try reflashing with different os May 07 00:21:14 lcd controlled seems to be screwed up May 07 00:21:15 yeah it boots and all May 07 00:21:19 but nothing on screen May 07 00:21:24 how? May 07 00:21:27 i just rebooted it May 07 00:21:31 nothing could've moved? May 07 00:21:48 yeah i hear the bootup noise and all May 07 00:21:52 lots of things move May 07 00:21:56 even if you don't see it May 07 00:21:58 :) May 07 00:22:24 could i open it up and try to fix? May 07 00:22:31 probably May 07 00:22:40 yeah if i press buttons the screen changes May 07 00:22:40 but be aware that connectors are very delicate May 07 00:22:43 its like blue and white May 07 00:22:49 and when i click .. they like trade spots? May 07 00:23:27 yeah May 07 00:23:28 i can shut it off May 07 00:23:33 its just the screen displaying is wrong May 07 00:26:01 Finishing flashing... done May 07 00:26:01 Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown May 07 00:26:03 ? May 07 00:26:05 Can someone run the sunspider JS bench? May 07 00:26:27 I want to compare numbers May 07 00:27:36 zakm: you could check at you local nokia site if your device still is under warranty (you just need the serial) May 07 00:29:15 .. i bought it on ebay? May 07 00:29:41 and the warranty finished like a week ago ( seller's warranty ) May 07 00:29:56 well check if nokia may still provides it May 07 00:30:23 i think the person had it for long May 07 00:30:24 as manufacturer warranty might be longer May 07 00:30:34 apparantly nokia's is one year May 07 00:30:39 according to forum May 07 00:30:42 and the person had it longer May 07 00:30:58 depends on the country/jurisdiction :) May 07 00:31:43 im in Canada May 07 00:33:04 http://www.nokia.ca/A4485137 just give it a shot, the worse that can happen is a "No!" :/ May 07 00:34:40 k thx May 07 00:34:46 ok a big laughing face and a finger pointing at you could make this more humiliating :P May 07 00:38:17 ? May 07 00:51:27 somebody knows a place where I can order a pre-made USB "host" OTG cable for the n810 ? May 07 00:51:38 something I don't have to solder on to turn it into a host cable ? May 07 00:56:22 i saw one advertisted in a thread on the internettabletforum May 07 00:57:32 tank-man: you have an url to the forum ? May 07 00:58:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ May 07 00:58:26 thx May 07 01:13:37 hi, anyone here? May 07 01:13:50 Never. May 07 01:21:35 Anyone compiled the maemo kernel for intel? May 07 01:21:50 what's the point? May 07 01:22:21 so I can compile the recommended i386 package for maemo-extras May 07 01:22:28 for openafs May 07 01:22:41 huh? May 07 01:23:01 i still don't get it May 07 01:23:17 In order to upload to maemo extras, I should compile armel & i386 packages May 07 01:23:28 o.o May 07 01:23:35 openafs requires a kernel module, ergo, I need arm & i386 maemo kernels May 07 01:24:15 there is such requirement? May 07 01:25:17 http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html May 07 01:26:20 hum May 07 01:26:27 interesting May 07 01:26:29 if there is no such requirement,then I've been wasting time May 07 01:27:11 have you tried ignoring it? May 07 01:27:15 no May 07 01:27:49 that will be the first thing i would do May 07 01:29:36 i just wasted 1,5 hours with amarok which never managed to build the collection May 07 01:30:08 media libraries are so fun May 07 01:30:16 I'll try ignoring it May 07 01:53:26 mmm how -> impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd May 07 01:53:27 :S May 07 01:53:56 in n800 May 07 01:54:29 what? May 07 01:54:59 impossible to connect via USB memory card in use external hd in my n800 shackan May 07 01:55:21 when I connect through the usb pc May 07 01:55:23 what does that mean? May 07 01:55:59 xchat May 07 01:56:02 oops ;-) May 07 01:56:19 impossible to connect via USB, MC external in use shackan May 07 01:56:27 my english is bad, sorry xD May 07 02:02:13 any ideas ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 07 02:59:56 2008