**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 11 02:59:56 2008 May 11 03:11:48 I'd like a notebook with fold-out triple display May 11 03:11:54 :> May 11 03:12:24 just get an r2 unit and use your NIT as datasource May 11 03:13:34 mmm.. swiss cheese May 11 03:16:07 k guys May 11 03:16:11 time for bed May 11 03:16:18 talk to you all soon May 11 03:16:20 hopefully May 11 03:30:53 gnite folks, my bed is calling May 11 03:30:58 :) May 11 04:15:49 night May 11 04:52:10 hay guys May 11 04:52:32 when i do sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -uM May 11 04:52:38 i get This disk is currently in use - repartitioning is probably a bad idea. May 11 04:52:47 what should i do? i unmounted and unswapped it May 11 04:52:59 probably it's still mounted May 11 04:53:07 mount |grep mmc May 11 04:53:38 dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) May 11 04:53:55 any further questions? May 11 04:54:00 ... May 11 04:54:03 thats mmcp1 May 11 04:54:08 i'm doing blk0 May 11 04:54:11 wrong. May 11 04:54:15 err May 11 04:54:16 and you are blind May 11 04:54:17 :) May 11 04:54:18 ? May 11 04:54:29 that's partition 1 on disk 0 May 11 04:54:37 and you try to partition disk 0 May 11 04:54:58 o i c May 11 04:55:03 how do i unmount it then? May 11 04:55:09 doh.. May 11 04:55:14 umount /media/mmc2 May 11 04:55:35 o i c May 11 04:56:29 now it's complaining about nothing being set bootable May 11 04:56:41 aha! i repartitioned an SD May 11 04:56:54 sweet May 11 04:57:59 doing the clone thingy May 11 04:58:07 don't forget to leave a vfat partition, big or small doesn't matter May 11 04:59:06 yeah May 11 04:59:09 i left one ~500mb May 11 04:59:24 2gb card gets 1.5gb to e2fs or whatever and then vfat is whatever is left May 11 04:59:41 nope May 11 04:59:46 vfat must be first May 11 04:59:55 then anything you want May 11 04:59:57 i followed steps online May 11 05:00:04 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81635#post81635 May 11 05:00:05 these steps May 11 05:00:35 i don't care about steps, as long vfat partition has a number 1 May 11 05:01:34 k May 11 05:02:26 i love to rm -rf things May 11 05:03:46 why? May 11 05:03:51 you are going to format it May 11 05:03:52 :) May 11 05:03:59 yeah May 11 05:04:00 but May 11 05:04:04 i had to rm-rf some stuff May 11 05:06:36 hmmm May 11 05:06:44 one of the steps says to know how to reflash the device in the normal way, if this fails May 11 05:06:53 i do not know how to reflash the device. May 11 05:07:49 hmm, can it be reflashed with windows? May 11 05:07:54 all the howtos say linux May 11 05:08:11 for windows you just use windows flasher instead linux one May 11 05:08:23 and everything else stays the same as in linux version May 11 05:10:13 i cant seem to find the windows flasher May 11 05:11:13 no comment May 11 05:11:15 :) May 11 05:11:18 heh May 11 05:12:01 dont tell me i need cygwin or something May 11 05:12:05 Nokia support site, Livingroom. . . . May 11 05:12:09 Or . . . google May 11 05:12:20 google isnt helping, tonight May 11 05:12:26 google wants to give me lots of info on how to flash May 11 05:12:30 like, camera flashes are on sale May 11 05:12:36 flash memory prices are coming down May 11 05:12:40 oh! and i can flash with linux, apparently May 11 05:12:43 Your google-fu is weak May 11 05:13:06 http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 May 11 05:13:30 oh May 11 05:13:35 so it IS the software "UPDATE" May 11 05:13:49 . . . May 11 05:15:49 hmm May 11 05:15:56 there's a second release, i wonder if mine is updated to that May 11 05:16:32 You can check in control panel May 11 05:16:37 N800s ship with OS2007 May 11 05:16:47 51-3 is only a NOLO update May 11 05:16:57 If you're not having troubles booting, you don't need it. May 11 05:17:07 ah, but i've got it May 11 05:18:43 mmkay so May 11 05:18:46 flashing the inifts then May 11 05:19:21 yayz0r May 11 05:19:24 it seems to be working May 11 05:19:31 no kidding? May 11 05:20:39 yeah i know! May 11 05:20:42 i never figured it'd work May 11 05:20:53 hey guys May 11 05:21:27 I attempted to do something which seem pretty straight forward and now my n770 keep rebooting, after about 30 sec each time May 11 05:21:50 I tried to add another module to initfs and flashed just that May 11 05:22:02 seems like you broke something May 11 05:22:08 :) May 11 05:22:16 I bet a complete flash would fix it but I don't want to have to setup everything again May 11 05:22:17 hard to tell what exactly May 11 05:22:28 I tried to reflash from the original and no luck May 11 05:22:30 have you made initfs backup? May 11 05:22:31 :) May 11 05:22:42 also reflashed pretty much every thing but the root May 11 05:23:10 well I tried to flash the original initfs from the hacker edition (os2007) which I had other before with no luck May 11 05:23:36 then you have made some changes to rootfs May 11 05:23:37 sorry other=on there May 11 05:23:53 just through normal use, not with flashing May 11 05:24:00 hay antilles, that "NOLO" update, is that the same as "sardine" ? May 11 05:24:02 does 770 support disabling watchdog? May 11 05:24:04 but could that have some effect May 11 05:24:09 No, Livingroom. May 11 05:24:22 Sardine is equivalent to Debian unstable testing May 11 05:24:26 ohhhh May 11 05:24:27 ok May 11 05:24:28 yeah May 11 05:24:32 i dont have that for sure afaik May 11 05:24:32 NOLO is NOkia LOader May 11 05:24:35 The bootloader May 11 05:25:12 is there anyway to not show the nokia logo and see the boot process, the equivolent of removing "quiet" and "splash" for ubuntu? May 11 05:25:18 i c May 11 05:25:41 ework: probably May 11 05:26:12 KotCzarny, thats what I figured there has to be a way to get a serial console, not sure how or how hard it will be May 11 05:27:19 i'm sure there is a way to enable fbconsole May 11 05:27:29 that would require custom kernel though May 11 05:27:48 and maybe initfs changes May 11 05:27:56 I was pretty impressed with myself getting my EVDO verizon usb720 working and got a little too brave trying to add a module to initfs May 11 05:28:13 :) May 11 05:28:24 initfs has a very little spare space May 11 05:28:32 you would have to throw some things out May 11 05:28:35 but May 11 05:28:43 you don't have to add it to initfs.. May 11 05:28:50 whats another weird thing May 11 05:28:58 one from rootfs would work too May 11 05:29:10 after following the steps and adding a module it's size was almost cut in half May 11 05:29:20 after tar2jffs2 May 11 05:30:00 i would bet on incompleteness then May 11 05:30:01 :) May 11 05:30:01 KotCzarny, how would you go about adding a new module and having it load automaticlly then the device was connected? May 11 05:30:31 ework: /etc/rc2.d/S99-local-ework.sh ? May 11 05:30:32 :) May 11 05:30:46 KotCzarny, ? May 11 05:30:56 sweet, so cloning clones /everything/ right? May 11 05:30:57 ework: as for working with initfs try peeking into fanoush work May 11 05:31:25 also, this thing never had me actually format the partition i created May 11 05:31:32 KotCzarny, wouldn't flashing the original initfs fix things, because that didn't help May 11 05:31:43 ework: that's for future reference May 11 05:31:56 ah thanks May 11 05:32:01 he made some useful scripts to work with kernel/initfs May 11 05:32:07 i have a n800 though May 11 05:33:01 KotCzarny, I noticed I'm going to look through that and see where I can get May 11 05:33:08 might be back shortly :( May 11 05:33:12 :) May 11 05:41:35 ok... May 11 05:41:37 something is wrong May 11 05:41:45 it didnt ask me where i wanted to boot from May 11 05:42:02 it's only available for custom initfs May 11 05:42:07 i c May 11 05:42:09 soooo May 11 05:42:13 where is it booting from then? May 11 05:42:20 two words: fanoush initfs May 11 05:42:36 fanoush initfs? May 11 05:42:42 yeah, i installed it May 11 05:42:48 but configured? May 11 05:43:14 if anything else fails, read docs May 11 05:43:15 :) May 11 05:43:28 i dunno i just followed the steps :( May 11 05:44:14 Did you read the readme? May 11 05:44:36 which one, i read like 4 May 11 05:44:38 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs May 11 05:44:40 this one, in fact May 11 05:44:59 after unpacking initfs flasher there should be a readme i guess May 11 05:45:06 yeah yeah May 11 05:45:07 read that one May 11 05:45:12 did kinda skim it though May 11 05:45:15 with understanding? May 11 05:48:48 not really with understanding May 11 05:49:16 * qwerty12 upgrades scratchbox with diablo components May 11 05:49:32 qwerty: i sense sbox reinstalling May 11 05:49:33 :) May 11 05:49:41 Me too :p May 11 05:49:51 But it sounds fun :D May 11 05:50:09 at least I may get a proper desktop... May 11 05:53:22 oh SWEET May 11 05:53:30 i have the option now to boot May 11 05:53:40 ok so here's the problem May 11 05:53:46 my options include the internal and the external mmc May 11 05:53:54 and the external mmc is the one available by default ?? May 11 05:55:00 ok so any idea how to use fanoush's boot menu when it's not already booted May 11 05:55:20 he doesn't seem to provide any initfs.jffs2 file May 11 05:55:43 it's generated from your current initfs May 11 05:55:44 Livingroom, bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example May 11 05:56:36 I think hopes of keeping my rootfs are lost, I guess its time to reflash everything May 11 05:56:47 KotCzarny, reflash you say? ;). it's better than before :p May 11 05:56:58 :) May 11 05:57:08 qwerty: i believe in you ;) May 11 05:57:22 lol, I've even got nitro May 11 05:57:45 I think it's really just libraries, apt and dpkg I need May 11 05:58:36 is there a way to modify /mnt/initfs from the device? May 11 05:58:48 ework: not directly May 11 05:59:05 *sigh* i'm lost May 11 05:59:06 assuming I get it working after a complete FIASCO flash May 11 05:59:07 no it's mounted read only, it only can be modified through the flasher May 11 05:59:09 ie. fanoush scripts use mtdtools May 11 05:59:10 i dont know how to fix this problem May 11 05:59:34 so maybe looking into his script there might be way May 11 06:00:08 definitely May 11 06:00:09 :) May 11 06:00:50 finally i see boot progress May 11 06:01:39 Why does flasher damage the version info on my N800 all the time for no reason? May 11 06:01:45 everythings gone :(, but at least it's not dead :) May 11 06:01:49 That bug really needs to get fixed. May 11 06:02:23 ok, so May 11 06:02:39 i haev the bootmenu but by default it's set to boot an mmc/partition that doesnt exsist May 11 06:02:44 how do i change that? May 11 06:02:55 do it again May 11 06:03:48 * qwerty12 now goes on my quest to get battery info in bme working (thanks jott) May 11 06:06:51 Wow, I just tried flash-and-reboot, a lot faster than fanoush's tools. Flashing both only took a second. May 11 06:07:30 but does it allow you to configure boot menu? May 11 06:07:31 ;) May 11 06:08:01 Well, if you replace the image with one generated by bootmenu ;) May 11 06:08:11 yeah, sure May 11 06:08:12 ;) May 11 06:08:35 Also, bootmenu is gonna be annoying in diablo due to ssu :/ May 11 06:09:03 my wifi just fubared on my N800, it won't find any connections. May 11 06:09:16 i cannot find a bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example May 11 06:13:08 ****. my n800 is reluctant to use any sort of connection :( May 11 06:15:45 ok i reflashed initfs and it's still trying to boot off the wrong partition May 11 06:20:47 Livingroom, in my brief experience changing initfs is a bad idea May 11 06:20:55 I gave up and just reflashed everything May 11 06:20:59 :) May 11 06:21:27 won't take long to get things working again, I have root and xterm already going May 11 06:23:25 ok, so i made a bootmenu.conf and it's still showing the wrong options May 11 06:23:58 also, i'm getting the message that a memory card is corrupted or unformatted. May 11 06:24:12 Livingroom, is the memory card in fat? May 11 06:24:38 i dont know what you mean May 11 06:24:46 using FAT formatting May 11 06:24:58 i havent formatted it May 11 06:25:03 i tried and it just says it's in use May 11 06:25:28 you'd have to first do 'umount /media/mmc1' before you can do anything with it May 11 06:25:51 I just asked because I formatted mine as ext2 so I had to make a few changes May 11 06:25:52 still says it's in use May 11 06:26:08 make sure you dont have any file windows open May 11 06:26:15 well, i'm in the file manager May 11 06:26:26 you could also just partition and format it on a linux desktop May 11 06:26:31 haha May 11 06:26:33 dont have a linux desktop :( May 11 06:26:51 a live cd would have the tools you need May 11 06:27:26 I think I remember seeing mention somewhere that for bootmenu to work well the card had to be in a linux format May 11 06:27:34 it would, but i wouldnt know how to use them anyway May 11 06:27:46 sounds like your problem though is that it's default to the wrong boot choice May 11 06:27:55 thats the main problem May 11 06:27:59 it's trying to boot mmc2 May 11 06:28:09 n770 or n800? May 11 06:28:17 n800 May 11 06:28:43 i even made a boot.conf thiny and included it May 11 06:28:48 the 770 doesn't have an mmc2 so I'm not sure what to do about that May 11 06:28:56 is that the external memory card? May 11 06:29:02 yeah May 11 06:29:19 you're trying to get it too boot the main flash instead? May 11 06:29:21 yep May 11 06:29:58 sorry no clue, I tried to make my own initfs and messed things up and finally just started all over again with the FIASCO image May 11 06:30:18 thought maybe I could help you figure out why mmc2 wasn't booting May 11 06:30:23 o i c May 11 06:30:28 * KotCzarny cloned to mmc on the first try May 11 06:30:30 :) May 11 06:30:31 yeah mmc1 boots but i have to select it manually :( May 11 06:30:40 well i cloned but the bootmenu is messed up May 11 06:31:42 whenever i rerun initfs_flash, it doesnt change anything May 11 06:31:53 then you are doing something wrong May 11 06:31:54 :) May 11 06:32:00 read readme again May 11 06:34:24 i did a chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 May 11 06:34:32 then i did chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc1 May 11 06:34:41 when i said mmc1, it set to 'internal memory' May 11 06:34:41 KotCzarny, I hacked into http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/ - it's where they store their pr0n :p May 11 06:34:52 qwerty: any proof? May 11 06:34:53 :) May 11 06:35:03 no :( :P May 11 06:38:02 damn damn damn damn damn May 11 06:38:30 EruditeHermit, if you are still around, did you manage to flash to diablo? May 11 06:45:02 http://pastebin.com/d4dc2f07a - who wants to edit my status file :p May 11 06:48:14 how can i see what devices are configured in initfs? May 11 06:48:20 is there like a "boot.ini" type thing? May 11 06:48:25 yes May 11 06:48:30 see /mnt/initfs/ May 11 06:49:12 damnit damnit damnit! May 11 06:49:19 you can see the linuxrc, bootmenu.sh and bootmenu.conf from /mnt/initfs like KotCzarny says May 11 06:49:22 the bootmenu.conf in /mnt/initfs/ has # infront of external thingies May 11 06:49:27 :) May 11 06:49:34 #MENU_4_NAME="External MMC card, partition 2, ext3" May 11 06:49:52 then you were editing wrong file all the time? May 11 06:49:53 :) May 11 06:49:57 Livingroom, restore original initfs and reflash boot menu May 11 06:49:57 ? May 11 06:50:17 nvm May 11 06:50:19 :) May 11 06:51:16 kk reflashing May 11 06:51:53 stock one is in there woot May 11 06:53:31 Hehe, http://i27.tinypic.com/2vi4lr4.png May 11 06:53:48 Livingroom, if you made backup, initfs_flasher would have been able to restore it May 11 06:54:01 Or you could have asked me and I would have extracted original one May 11 06:54:41 son of a May 11 06:54:49 i did make a backup May 11 06:55:00 and when i restored it, the damn default config is booting the wrong selection. May 11 06:55:28 did you make repeated backups (ie flashing it one time and making a backup again after)? May 11 06:55:51 nope May 11 06:55:55 one backup original May 11 06:56:50 that is weird then. if you have linux, you can extract original components from bin/fiasco image using flasher May 11 06:59:35 AHA! May 11 06:59:40 aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! May 11 06:59:44 AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA May 11 06:59:50 so May 11 06:59:52 aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! aha aha aha aha aha aha!!!aha aha aha aha aha aha!!!aha aha aha aha aha aha!!! May 11 06:59:56 it's "immc2" not "mmc2" May 11 07:00:09 is it? May 11 07:00:40 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf May 11 07:00:44 that's my config May 11 07:03:18 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt May 11 07:03:19 i got it May 11 07:03:22 thank you guys, so much. May 11 07:03:36 Has anyone here edited initfs on computer? I'm gonna try now but it would be nice to ask someone for help incase I mess up May 11 07:04:03 qwerty12, I tried to add a module using my ubuntu desktop May 11 07:04:06 didn't work May 11 07:04:33 ah :/. Maybe I will get lucky hehe. May 11 07:04:56 I'm not sure what happend but reflashing the original inits didn't fix it either, something with root got messed up May 11 07:05:06 qwerty12, n800? May 11 07:05:10 yes May 11 07:05:28 you should better luck than I with a 770 using os2007he May 11 07:05:34 woot 2600mb free May 11 07:12:29 wow, I'm now using bash instead of default sbox shell, much nicer. May 11 07:13:02 i'd love to use bash May 11 07:13:10 You can do on a tablet May 11 07:13:10 i'm just so happy i got the bootloader working May 11 07:13:11 it's epic May 11 07:13:21 the next thing i need to accomplish May 11 07:13:21 I once had it installed from www.nitapps.com May 11 07:13:29 hmm May 11 07:14:29 atm, I've got a lot of broken dev packages in my sbox :p May 11 07:14:36 :> May 11 07:14:42 But at least I got personal menu to work :p May 11 07:14:48 and I got the font :p May 11 07:16:30 haha personal menu is hard to make work May 11 07:16:38 ? May 11 07:16:45 i'd love to get dosbox with dos 6.2/win3.1 working, that would be epic May 11 07:16:48 neva, it's quite simple imho May 11 07:18:43 i'm stuck on 'cache file created successfully' when i apt-get install personal-menu May 11 07:19:30 ftd runs for a few seconds in scratchbox May 11 07:19:50 there's no use of running ftd in sbox May 11 07:19:51 :) May 11 07:20:10 I know, but it's fun :P :) May 11 07:20:27 better hack some software May 11 07:20:28 :) May 11 07:21:04 Hehe, I'm not good enough. Saying that, I have released some good things... May 11 07:21:14 darn. i need some music to help me concentrate. May 11 07:25:13 let's try 4 seasons May 11 07:42:39 hey qwerty12 you there? May 11 07:43:02 standard shutdown -h will turn off the device, right? May 11 07:43:50 EruditeHermit, yes May 11 07:43:59 qwerty12: I seemingly flashed to diablo but I don't get the same screens as you May 11 07:44:05 Livingroom, yes unless you have charger plugged in afaik May 11 07:44:14 EruditeHermit, whats your version in about? May 11 07:44:21 its still the old one May 11 07:44:26 51-3 2007 May 11 07:44:28 not done properly then May 11 07:44:39 why does the charger give always-on? it's annoying May 11 07:44:42 but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade any more packages May 11 07:44:50 err, flashed to diablo?? May 11 07:44:56 * timely didn't think there were flashes for it May 11 07:44:59 how come apt-get distupgrade was used? May 11 07:45:07 how did you do it? May 11 07:45:22 I am still unclear how you did it? May 11 07:45:25 What i did has been basically summed up in this post : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=180257&postcount=283 May 11 07:45:41 Also to quote my own words " May 11 07:45:41 What I did to install was reflash and make the symlink from archives to my memory card. I then used DTA on the computer to download the packages (more reliable) and placed them in the archives folder. May 11 07:45:41 I then just did apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked and waited for it to install as it needed no dodgy downloading " May 11 07:46:14 ok May 11 07:46:18 so I have some more stuff to do May 11 07:46:26 is there a way to connect to known wlans even if I have active Internet connection through BT? May 11 07:46:32 automatically, that is May 11 07:47:01 i don't think it supports multiple default routes.. May 11 07:47:02 :) May 11 07:47:04 qwerty12: I did a dist-upgrade May 11 07:47:15 why? it wasn't needed at all. May 11 07:47:27 KotCzarny: not multiple, I want it to disconnect the BT May 11 07:47:52 otherwise it will drain my phone's battery too quickly May 11 07:48:01 :) May 11 07:48:25 if people want to, i'll have dreamhost mirroring the repository May 11 07:50:07 what's the advantages/improvements in diablo again? May 11 07:50:15 qwerty12: because I didn't see that metapackage in the posts May 11 07:50:22 qwerty12: it got lost on me May 11 07:50:43 qwerty12: did you ever get W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) May 11 07:50:43 btw? May 11 07:51:03 yes, I just disabled it but now I got a perfect working sources.list May 11 07:51:26 I changed chinook to diablo and it works better than adding a line May 11 07:51:54 Stskeeps: if you wait long enough i''ll have a blog entry that explains what changed in the browser May 11 07:51:56 it's a really really long list May 11 07:52:01 when booting from MMC, is there any advantage to emptying the internal memory? May 11 07:52:05 which i expected to have weeks to write May 11 07:52:06 i could apt-get uninstall everything May 11 07:52:37 qwerty12: disabled what? May 11 07:52:51 qwerty12: changed chinook to diablo where? May 11 07:52:53 the conflicting distrobution line thing May 11 07:53:00 in the sources.list file May 11 07:53:09 oh, the only line I have is the diablo line May 11 07:53:56 qwerty12: I think its because I don't have the metapackage installed actually May 11 07:54:02 I think it will fix itself very soon May 11 07:54:13 it checks to see if it matches osso-software-version May 11 07:54:16 it's in the update repo. I have to go now for a bit :/ May 11 07:54:20 which I am installing now May 11 07:54:20 ok May 11 07:54:26 it will all work in 5 mins May 11 07:54:29 I figured it out May 11 07:54:32 gl with it :) May 11 07:56:20 when booting from MMC, is there any advantage to emptying the internal memory? May 11 07:56:37 no May 11 07:56:40 kk. May 11 07:56:44 well i have to bed now May 11 07:56:46 nite all May 11 07:56:48 ty for help May 11 07:56:52 got everything worxing :) May 11 07:58:20 does tar have a touch option? May 11 08:01:42 qwerty12|gone: once done, I can reset lifeguard on May 11 08:01:44 correct? May 11 08:02:01 You should be able to, I haven't tried. May 11 08:03:53 sweet it worked May 11 08:04:58 I have diablo May 11 08:05:12 welcome to diablo :) May 11 08:05:21 To finish off the job, run flash-and-reboot May 11 08:05:28 and delete the initfs image and run it again May 11 08:05:37 flash and reboot? May 11 08:05:47 yes flash-and-reboot May 11 08:05:53 what is that? May 11 08:06:11 a flasher for kernel and initfs. initfs is damaged so delete it but kernel works fine. May 11 08:06:48 is that run from terminal? May 11 08:06:55 yes May 11 08:07:05 if you still have rd mode enabled, run sudo gainroot May 11 08:08:16 these images are available: 2 images. Flash and remove them. The device will reboot y/N May 11 08:08:23 you sure I remove these images? May 11 08:08:33 you remove the initfs one. May 11 08:08:36 it flashes the kernel to upgrade it and then removes it May 11 08:08:50 you can flash the initfs if you want to damage the device May 11 08:09:07 there is one initfs and one zImage-diablo-200816 May 11 08:09:18 rm the initfs file. May 11 08:09:56 how do I choose? May 11 08:10:27 you dont, I said rm the initfs file. May 11 08:10:33 oh May 11 08:10:35 ok May 11 08:10:39 physically remove it May 11 08:10:42 and then run it May 11 08:10:44 got you May 11 08:10:45 yeah :) May 11 08:10:50 sorry May 11 08:10:57 I ate too many retarded pills today May 11 08:11:09 no problems :), I'm tired from y/day :D May 11 08:12:51 so which kernel image should it now be May 11 08:12:55 2.6.21-omap? May 11 08:13:15 yeah, version number stays the same but run uname -v and notice the difference ;) May 11 08:13:42 sweet May 11 08:13:46 april 23 May 11 08:14:05 is it placebo May 11 08:14:09 or is the ui much snappier May 11 08:20:01 Interesting. diablo initfs is bigger by 0.5 MB. unfortunately this makes it too big to flash on N800 so I am cooking up custom initfs with bme so I can use ftd properly. May 11 08:20:16 :o May 11 08:20:48 does virtual memory max out at 12mb? May 11 08:20:51 128* May 11 08:21:06 or can you set it to higher values May 11 08:21:32 I think via command line you can set higher but it may be risky May 11 08:21:46 why risky? May 11 08:21:57 No idea, I haven't tested it :P May 11 08:24:42 I think it somehow is fucked up, due to hardware or other stuff so that if you set it higher than norm it corrupts it and will cause huge problems May 11 08:25:00 nope May 11 08:25:18 No ? Why then :o May 11 08:25:44 my idea is that device has 128megs of ram May 11 08:25:53 new library in diablo initfs - libbb5. which confirms my voiced suspictions that the n800 is based on bb5. May 11 08:25:56 so there was no point to have so much virt mem May 11 08:26:10 well its all flash memory May 11 08:26:14 so it should be pretty fast May 11 08:26:19 false May 11 08:26:23 writes are slow May 11 08:26:41 especially to random sectors May 11 08:26:41 But why does it goes fubar if you set it higher than initial ram size May 11 08:26:48 does it? May 11 08:26:55 It does on 770 at least May 11 08:27:06 770 had kernel corruption May 11 08:27:12 in driver May 11 08:27:30 fixed since then May 11 08:27:35 * qwerty12|gone is trying out cooked up initfs May 11 08:28:10 forge: i think it was wlan related mmc corruption May 11 08:28:16 Yes May 11 08:28:31 But 770 also has problems if you set virtual ram over 64mb May 11 08:29:31 it keeps saying my mmc is corrupted now May 11 08:29:35 And it hasn't been fixed, and the only thing i suspect is some hw related issue May 11 08:29:35 lol May 11 08:29:47 forge: it was fixed May 11 08:29:51 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 May 11 08:30:02 Thanks should go to Tilman Vogel for detailed analysis of this bug, to Siarhei Siamashka (a.k.a. Serge here) for discovering and fixing it and to others who helped. May 11 08:30:03 :) May 11 08:30:20 bollox. 2160384 is too big. How shit is the initfs partition? May 11 08:30:51 qwerty: maybe diablo changes mtd layout May 11 08:30:52 :) May 11 08:30:59 ie. proper diablo installer May 11 08:31:25 But from what I understand, SSU calls flash-and-reboot. Maybe wimax tablet has bigger initfs? May 11 08:31:27 Kot, and youre sure that that issue is related to virtual ram size ? May 11 08:31:35 I wonder what libb5 does too. May 11 08:31:43 forge: it's related to mmc May 11 08:31:52 Oh right right mehmuu May 11 08:31:52 so it's related to anything that uses it May 11 08:31:53 :) May 11 08:32:57 Aye May 11 08:34:25 i think it's fixed in he May 11 08:36:03 Yeah in the latest should be May 11 08:36:19 Can't remember if it's fixed in the latest 2006 May 11 08:37:30 probably not May 11 08:37:38 because thread is from 2007-11 May 11 08:37:41 :) May 11 08:49:04 I fubared initfs, tablet shuts down. Probably missing libs, I'll try again. May 11 08:53:43 Why does this happen: May 11 08:53:45 "Sending initfs image (2061 kB)... May 11 08:53:45 Write failed after 0 bytes May 11 08:53:45 usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable May 11 08:53:45 " May 11 08:54:54 So? May 11 08:56:57 Fixed. Thank you 0xffff maker. May 11 08:58:51 :p May 11 09:00:14 Hmm, 2MB is max for initfs. May 11 09:03:18 test server is not needed afaik? May 11 09:03:46 see fanoush init flasher for a list of redundant parts May 11 09:03:48 :) May 11 09:04:04 ok, will do thanks :). I'm gonna try stripping diablo initfs down :/ May 11 09:06:49 does this point towards diablo being n810+ only or? May 11 09:06:50 :P May 11 09:07:07 n8x0 May 11 09:07:16 is N810 initfs size bigger? May 11 09:07:23 the wimax one will probably be. May 11 09:08:14 Man, I wish fanoush joined this channel. May 11 09:08:25 he doesn't do irc May 11 09:08:32 catch him on itt or email May 11 09:08:44 Yeah :) May 11 09:10:43 w00t, 1.8MB initfs image :) May 11 09:11:16 i'm off to sleep May 11 09:11:18 night May 11 09:11:19 :) May 11 09:11:23 Night :) May 11 09:11:48 qwerty12: I want to know which theme the orange theme in the demos is May 11 09:12:13 I dunno what theme it is :/ May 11 09:12:27 I didn't watch it May 11 09:14:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/ May 11 09:14:53 err May 11 09:15:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/nokia-n810-wimax-edition-the-real-internet-finally-made-mobile/ May 11 09:18:55 I'm sending a nitro core dump of testserver crashing :P May 11 09:19:08 ooh, nokia are gonna hate me May 11 09:29:07 qwerty: so is it ready for consumption? does agps work? =) May 11 09:29:44 RST38h, N800 here :). I don't have gps. May 11 09:30:23 They really need to fix the initfs though. I went a made a copy that fits but dsme keeps rebooting the tablet at boot. May 11 09:32:03 RST38h, tried installing the gps* stuff in chinook? May 11 09:37:09 I am afraid to screw my device installing this stuff... May 11 09:37:38 Ah May 11 09:38:26 Mainly doing app programming so if the device dies even temporarily, I wont be able to release on time May 11 09:38:57 Yeah, not worth it then. :) May 11 10:58:33 hi May 11 10:58:48 i dont know to uninstall xmms cleanly May 11 10:59:18 my xmms appl have some problem May 11 10:59:34 how? May 11 12:27:25 korea font break in xmms May 11 12:27:32 why? May 11 12:30:09 i did install korea font May 11 12:48:57 K-Fox, xmms uses different fonts May 11 12:52:32 different fonts? May 11 12:55:13 hi May 11 12:55:24 K-Fox, or it might just not support UTF-8 May 11 12:55:27 kpel, hi May 11 12:56:18 has anybody noticed thta recently the weather applet stopped showing the weather although it receives weather updates? May 11 12:56:24 yes May 11 12:56:38 any solutions? May 11 12:56:43 the author is on vacation, but someone found a fix May 11 12:56:50 look on the garage page for omweather May 11 12:57:00 ok thanks May 11 13:10:22 kpel, yes...even after I updated it May 11 13:11:00 no doubt the site they pull weather from changed May 11 13:11:06 I haven't had it working in a week or so May 11 13:11:19 same here May 11 13:11:57 works here May 11 13:12:03 had to reboot my tablet though May 11 13:12:07 after copying that .so May 11 13:12:19 ohterwise it wouldn't work still May 11 13:13:22 What's the echo command to enable dsp? May 11 13:14:00 qwerty12_N800, troubles with el diablo? May 11 13:14:34 no, just playing music is making my cpu full May 11 13:15:15 wait, so you mean in mplayer? it's enabled by default for the built-in media player of course... May 11 13:15:38 does anyone know how i install the dev packages for freetype? May 11 13:15:52 in scratchbox? May 11 13:15:58 no, on device May 11 13:16:09 Nah,there was an echo command and it worked because cpu went down May 11 13:16:43 qwerty cpu goes up and down all the flipping time, try fixing it to either low or high to get a good stable test May 11 13:17:01 lcuk, browse the repo manually and install freetype-dev armel package May 11 13:17:20 hehe, but i'm sure it worked May 11 13:17:22 ok, ill simplify it, ive tried this, but it came up with nothing: apt-cache | grep freetype was i trying right or did i do something wrong? May 11 13:18:00 lcuk, do you have the sdk repositories enabled on your tablet? (ie other -dev packages are available?) May 11 13:18:13 yer, ive got gcc and x11 and even sdl May 11 13:18:20 and maketools or whatever they are May 11 13:18:32 i just cant find the name of the freetype dev pack May 11 13:19:21 apt-cache search libxft-dev May 11 13:19:36 any initfs hackers around? May 11 13:19:45 gotcha! thanks john May 11 13:19:58 qwerty12_N800, for certain values of "hacker"? what do you need? May 11 13:20:11 :)i knew it was apt-cache but didnt know correct syntax May 11 13:20:53 ah, now you know! May 11 13:21:07 Just someone to fix the diablo initfs to run on n800. I ripped out the crap to shrink the size down so it boots but it reboots. May 11 13:21:22 s/boots/flashes May 11 13:21:43 it's not small enough to flash as shipped? May 11 13:21:47 whats the easiest way to get more room on the base FS, aren't there tonnes of docs for multiple countries somewhere on it? May 11 13:21:49 * johnx is still reading through the tread May 11 13:22:03 hell no, i nearly killed my n800 trying May 11 13:22:05 lcuk, under /home/user/MyDocs May 11 13:22:16 O_o May 11 13:22:26 qwerty12_N800, I'll flash diablo as soon as my backup finishes :) May 11 13:22:26 It has stuff for the wimax stuff in it now May 11 13:22:33 I'm in the mood for trouble :D May 11 13:22:36 Cool :) May 11 13:22:55 Remember to flash new kernel, ftd works better with it May 11 13:23:16 ah, but not the new initfs? May 11 13:23:28 It wont fit :( May 11 13:23:36 n/m, I'll RTFT (thread) May 11 13:23:38 The story of my life, it's always too big! May 11 13:23:52 I bet qwerty is having the same problems ... May 11 13:23:53 sigh... :p, lmao May 11 13:24:22 What, it was funny now wasn't it :D May 11 13:24:33 yes lol :D May 11 13:24:48 I have my moments <3 May 11 13:24:56 there are files inside: /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Maps are they the built in map, or are they from me installing maemo-mapper at some time? May 11 13:25:04 lol, brb, trying suspend May 11 13:25:11 maemo mapper May 11 13:25:11 maemo-mapper May 11 13:25:14 thx :) May 11 13:25:18 rm May 11 13:27:07 * qwerty12_N800 needs to modify chinook initfs image with some diablo stuff... May 11 13:27:24 ln -s MyDocs to mmc May 11 13:29:23 diablo seems to have official ipv6 support. in chinook, i wwas using custom kernel with a few programs. But you need diablo initfs modules so i'm putting diablo ipv6 modules into chinook image. May 11 13:30:01 ah! I know where to get clues for what to take out of initfs :) May 11 13:30:07 look at fanoush's boot menu stuff May 11 13:30:18 it cleans out enough room for a telnet daemon and an ssh daemon May 11 13:30:26 Been there, that's what i removed :) May 11 13:30:43 I posted a cleaned out diablo initfs May 11 13:30:43 hmm May 11 13:30:52 still too big though? May 11 13:30:52 Still too big ? :o May 11 13:31:12 But you flash it - reboot loop at initfs time May 11 13:31:21 you cant flash it May 11 13:31:23 Aah yes May 11 13:31:41 forge, happens a lot to you? :p May 11 13:31:58 ah, if you use fanoush's fb_update_manual trick you can at least see what's happening May 11 13:32:09 fb_update_mode auto, rather May 11 13:32:21 it does it before rootfs is mounted May 11 13:32:27 so? May 11 13:32:31 stick that stuff in initfs May 11 13:32:33 even before the rd mode output May 11 13:32:37 Qwerty, yes but now i was talking about the initfs :D May 11 13:33:01 I'll have to look :/ May 11 13:33:28 johnx, i'm away from computer, any chance of addib May 11 13:33:42 addib? May 11 13:33:45 adding fb mode to my ripped initfs? May 11 13:34:03 I haven't even flashed diablo yet May 11 13:34:05 sorry, hildon input method shortcuts... May 11 13:34:09 gimme a couple minutes O_o May 11 13:34:23 johnx, that image was modified through computer May 11 13:35:35 i think it's easy to add, add the lines to insmod and switch in linuxrc May 11 13:36:27 I'm gonna work on a modified chinook initfs. May 11 13:36:36 ok, you do that May 11 13:36:43 I'll start with the diablo one and see where I get May 11 13:36:52 cool May 11 13:36:53 if we split up we can do more damage! May 11 13:36:59 i have some error in xmms. i want to uninstall cleanly xmms May 11 13:36:59 hehe May 11 13:37:00 how? May 11 13:37:25 K-Fox, apt-get remove xmms May 11 13:37:36 apt-get remove xmms <-- this command is not clean May 11 13:37:50 why isn't it clean? May 11 13:37:54 xmms* because a lot of stuff is bundled May 11 13:38:00 aaah May 11 13:38:03 ok, then I don't know May 11 13:38:34 time display of xmms remain May 11 13:38:57 0:00 <--- here dont move May 11 13:39:25 set esd as sound output May 11 13:39:45 esd? May 11 13:40:08 esound. check xmms settings. May 11 13:40:26 ok May 11 13:41:11 :D w000t, i can compile full liqbase directly on the device :) May 11 13:41:35 :), it will look good at ltag :) May 11 13:42:07 hi May 11 13:42:12 when compiling, the main files written are in the actual src folder on external mmc1 arent they (ie, i dont have to worry about writing to the internal fs breaking the card) May 11 13:42:35 * qwerty12_N800 wants diablo initfs's bme so he can try batt info in ftd May 11 13:42:59 lcuk, your source tree is on mmc1, correct? May 11 13:43:44 lcuk/ wow thank you~~ May 11 13:43:48 it's good May 11 13:44:16 qwerty12_N800, yes john May 11 13:44:23 damn forgot to clear May 11 13:44:32 then everything should be fine May 11 13:44:36 excellent :D May 11 13:45:11 and compile speed isnt that bad either, now all i need is a smooth scrolling editor to jump around my code. i wonder where i can get a smooth scrolling text view from... ;) May 11 13:45:20 the only directories that it would be acceptable to write to for a program during compile are the current directory and stuff below it and *maybe* /tmp or /var/tmp May 11 13:45:56 and /tmp is in RAM so that's not a problem May 11 13:45:58 mmc1 is FAT, is it allowed to ummm symlink tmp to a folder on mmc1? May 11 13:46:04 ahhh right May 11 13:46:04 qwerty12_N800/ thank you ~~ wow after checking esound of xmms , display of time is normal May 11 13:46:15 your symlink can *point* to a FAT fs May 11 13:46:16 qwerty12_N800, yes it will be good for ltag May 11 13:46:24 but a symlink can't *exist* on a FAT fs May 11 13:46:38 makes sense May 11 13:47:14 im mega pleased now, ill test compile speed using vmware and directly using device for a comparison May 11 13:48:27 what about with a real linux instead :p May 11 13:48:45 i havent got one ready with sb on it May 11 13:48:57 i have a feeling all compilation work will be on device from now on May 11 13:49:09 brb May 11 13:49:15 i have a feeling my sbox is messed up May 11 13:49:36 I tried to install diablo components May 11 13:50:00 It actually works alright but apt is whining May 11 13:52:21 it looks cool though: http://i25.tinypic.com/2udugap.jpg May 11 13:52:41 qwerty12_N800, interesting May 11 13:52:47 it looks like more of a desktop now :) May 11 13:52:56 hopefully that means good things for source licensing May 11 13:53:25 yeah :) May 11 13:53:39 hola May 11 13:53:54 buenos dia May 11 13:54:00 I saw a source package called wlancond but i think it's fake lol May 11 13:54:01 hi May 11 13:55:05 ;] May 11 13:55:57 hmmmm 7 seconds in vmware, 5 mins on device. but over 4 minutes was spent on a monster module which creates brushes at runtime via varargs (over 2000 parameters in some functions) May 11 13:56:14 O_o May 11 13:56:41 * johnx waits impatiently for his backup to finish...taps fingers May 11 13:56:58 johnx, rsync? May 11 13:57:03 rsync over ssh May 11 13:57:25 ah. i just use 0xffff and mtd-utils :/ May 11 13:57:36 suppose I could do that May 11 13:57:48 It's handier to have a directory structure for me though May 11 13:57:53 easier to get things back May 11 13:58:17 yeah, I just prefer flashing though :) May 11 13:58:54 I'm such a numbnuts, before, i flashed os2007 initfs when running diablo. May 11 13:59:08 O_o ?! May 11 13:59:12 so the initfs might work? May 11 13:59:28 I thought it was 2008 one :p May 11 13:59:34 which one? May 11 13:59:42 the diablo one? May 11 14:00:39 I cant get it to work. I ripped out files using fanoush's list and it flashes and i get reboot loop May 11 14:00:47 ok, compiling 3 files which get changed often takes 9 seconds on device :) (<1sec on vmware) that is acceptable May 11 14:01:03 The os2007 initfs worked,except for wifi and usb ;p May 11 14:01:10 s/;)/:) May 11 14:01:13 almost everything is in the kernel May 11 14:04:03 Ugh May 11 14:04:08 a compressed rootfs is a funny thing. after rsync, my tablet's / takes up 273MB and climbing as the backup continues... :) May 11 14:04:12 Navi, eh? May 11 14:04:16 I'm too lazy to do anything to my N800 May 11 14:04:23 oh noes! May 11 14:04:31 I reflashed it again and I don't have the will to set it up May 11 14:04:32 aiii May 11 14:04:50 n900 is atop cpu? May 11 14:04:54 so it's just a paperweight. May 11 14:04:57 atom cpu May 11 14:05:02 No May 11 14:05:27 Navi, then dance con el diablo :) May 11 14:05:33 Did May 11 14:05:36 wasn't impressed May 11 14:05:38 ah May 11 14:05:51 lots of breakage? May 11 14:05:53 microb-engine was old and modest didn't work May 11 14:07:12 I want that new apt so I can start getting aptitude compiled May 11 14:07:43 I broke the browser and removed a huge chunk of files trying to replace modest May 11 14:07:48 files I couldn't get back, btw May 11 14:07:49 i'm trying synaptic later May 11 14:08:13 synaptic will be a pain with the huge fonts and the smallish screen May 11 14:08:17 so I reflashed to Chinook and now it's sitting on my desk powered off since the reflash May 11 14:08:23 it *just* fits in debian May 11 14:08:25 if i move fs onto mmc will it speed it up? May 11 14:08:36 lcuk, move what onto sd? May 11 14:08:39 ah May 11 14:08:40 sorry May 11 14:08:42 didn't read May 11 14:08:42 base / May 11 14:08:47 the flash in the N800 is slow May 11 14:08:54 aptitude is ncurses, w.out kbd, ncurses apps are weird May 11 14:09:04 yer i heard, but does it have a class rating May 11 14:09:08 lcuk, for write and/or read intensive stuff, yes May 11 14:09:20 Class ratings are for SDHC cards May 11 14:09:42 exactly, if i get a class 4 device will it be faster than the internal May 11 14:09:56 or do i need class 6 for speed up May 11 14:10:13 qwerty12_N800, it's mainly for getting yourself out of bad situations so if it only works over ssh that's ok with me May 11 14:11:48 I don't really feel like going to the computer much May 11 14:12:09 well, usb keyboard will work too May 11 14:12:14 you have an n810, yes? May 11 14:13:41 me? no, i have n800. May 11 14:13:58 for some reason I thought you had both May 11 14:14:02 * johnx must be confused May 11 14:14:12 * lcuk is confused most of the tim May 11 14:14:16 +e May 11 14:14:18 see May 11 14:14:37 I love arping May 11 14:14:45 laziest way ever to look up MAC addresses May 11 14:14:48 * qwerty12_N800 wants 810 wimax for bigger initfs partition May 11 14:15:07 qwerty12_N800, you can load initfs over the flasher, right? May 11 14:15:26 i only want an ide now :) May 11 14:15:29 I think so, i kept flashing though May 11 14:15:52 maybe this is a development initfs that has extra debugging and isn't meant to be flashed May 11 14:16:20 what about the kernel though? May 11 14:16:21 optimization is the final stage May 11 14:16:31 load both "over the wire" May 11 14:17:13 is it easy to reformat my external mmc? May 11 14:17:42 file manager can do it May 11 14:17:49 o rly May 11 14:18:08 ya rly May 11 14:18:22 wicked! May 11 14:18:46 but what fs does it give May 11 14:18:52 FAT May 11 14:19:01 16 for <2GB, 32 for >2GB May 11 14:19:04 well thats not exactly what i need :P May 11 14:19:12 how do i format using the same fs as / May 11 14:19:18 oh,you need it ext2 for exec? May 11 14:19:19 you don't May 11 14:19:32 use ext2 or ext3 May 11 14:19:55 / is jffs2, u dont want that May 11 14:20:11 ok why not? May 11 14:20:23 it's for raw NAND devices only May 11 14:20:37 jffs2 is compressed, it's meant for flash devices May 11 14:20:41 the N800 can only see the mmc card as a block device (like a hd) May 11 14:21:04 and it doesn't matter whether you want it or not: you can't have it. :) May 11 14:21:16 ahhh ok, then how do i do ext2? May 11 14:21:19 mkfs.ext2 -m5 /dev/mmcblk0p1 (will leave 5% reserved for root, or -m0 for no reserved space) May 11 14:21:29 5% is the default May 11 14:21:29 if you want it to be ext2, follow the many cloneing guides May 11 14:21:41 minus the clone process May 11 14:22:07 i tried following one of the cloning guides but was geared towards 800 with different mmcblk layouts and i didnt want to format the wrong one May 11 14:22:23 aaah... is your card partitioned? May 11 14:22:30 it is now - as fat May 11 14:22:41 errr...but just one big FAT partition? May 11 14:22:49 i stopped when my settings were different to the listed ones May 11 14:22:53 yer May 11 14:23:12 the p1 part means 1st partition, and you only have one :) May 11 14:23:32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounts on /media/mmc2 May 11 14:23:43 mmc is built in card on 810 May 11 14:23:46 /dev/mmc1blk1 mounts on /media/mmc1 May 11 14:23:46 mmc2 May 11 14:24:09 you can see for yourself with "mount" May 11 14:24:24 mmc1 is the external removable card in 810 afaik May 11 14:24:32 yer it is May 11 14:26:07 its a shame i cant just format directly the /media/mmc2 device without havign to identify the mmcblk related May 11 14:26:18 nah, it's not May 11 14:26:26 it's better this way for complicated reasons :) May 11 14:26:53 linux works in devices for "low" level stuff, not mount points May 11 14:27:13 well i would feel comfotable working with what i read and see and use. like on windows, i format c drive i dont care where on the ide bus it is May 11 14:27:33 It's *really, really* nice that you can have any arbitrary block device make up any part of the file system May 11 14:27:57 after you get comfortable with the disconnect you'll probably like it too May 11 14:28:18 to anyone using diablo, have they tried sp-oops-extract? May 11 14:29:25 lcuk, that disconnect between device and mount point is what makes booting from SD a completely "hack-less" process. Nokia didn't have to do any extra work to make it behave. May 11 14:31:44 sp-oops-extract: "Description: A tool for extracting OOPS/panic logs. this small tool allows the extraction of OOPS and panic logs from selected mtd device" May 11 14:31:52 fun May 11 14:33:07 ok johnx where can i list which mmcblks there are and things like capacity May 11 14:33:28 mount lists what device is on which mountpoint May 11 14:33:37 df -h lists the capacity and usage of mounted filesystems May 11 14:33:58 if we *had* fdisk you could use fdisk -l to list the capacity of unmounted filesystems May 11 14:34:27 its ok, the df command gives me the info i need :) thanks May 11 14:34:32 johnx, you know you want to compile :p May 11 14:34:39 /dev/mmcblk1p1 966.8M 4.0k 966.8M 0% /media/mmc1 May 11 14:34:55 yup, looks like your external card May 11 14:35:08 /proc/partitions might help May 11 14:35:15 yer ive got the full list, i havent seen anything which relates them before May 11 14:35:18 ah, *smacks forhead* May 11 14:35:38 jaska is right of course :) May 11 14:43:22 anyone know the svn locations of the maemo versions of apt & dpkg? May 11 14:44:28 are they different from mainline debian? O_o May 11 14:45:14 I dunno,I just want to be sure :) May 11 14:45:46 apt version is something like maemo1 though May 11 14:45:49 well, they have to have source up, but it might not be in svn...it's probably a really simple patch or something May 11 14:51:17 * qwerty12 is now getting down to some initfs hacking muhahahahahz May 11 14:51:53 * johnx updates to diablo May 11 14:52:29 I'm going to try booting the diablo initrd without flashing it or the kernel to see if it even works at this point May 11 14:52:39 the joke would be on us if it's just broken this weak :) May 11 14:52:44 s/weak/week/g May 11 14:52:46 johnx meant: the joke would be on us if it's just broken this week :) May 11 14:52:47 lol :D May 11 14:52:58 johnx, which one? the original or my ripped one? May 11 14:53:03 the original May 11 14:53:08 Ah :) May 11 14:53:22 heh, its like watching kids in a candy store after closing May 11 14:53:44 t_s_o, you're just jealous :) May 11 14:54:19 more likely careful. i did one to many reflashes of my 770 before it went wsod... May 11 14:54:37 * qwerty12 has flashed diablo 4 times already May 11 14:54:38 I don't think there's any known WSOD problem with the n8x0 May 11 14:54:49 and I know people have flashed more than me... May 11 14:54:54 so I'm not too worried May 11 14:54:57 me for instance... May 11 14:55:01 heh May 11 14:55:07 wasn't gonna say it :D May 11 14:55:14 lol :D May 11 14:55:31 I've flashed my poor zauruses quite a bit as well May 11 14:55:58 I've flashed my phone so much times that the battery cover is loose now :/ May 11 14:56:11 lets just say i want to have a N800 i can use without having to reflash ever so often ;) May 11 14:57:04 * johnx romps through the candy store...*nom, nom, nom* May 11 14:57:27 anyone know the specs on the keyboard backlight leds? i'm getting bored of the blue May 11 14:59:03 I still wish this guy had put up his source somewhere: http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2494/1497/1600/434726/screenshot03.png May 11 15:01:42 Ok, I think I found apt source: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/ May 11 15:01:46 great, just got an I/O error downloading .debs to my SD card O_o May 11 15:01:55 ah, good May 11 15:02:20 johnx, are you using high speed kernel? May 11 15:02:26 nope May 11 15:02:36 fresh reflash to os2008 51-3 May 11 15:02:40 Give it an fsck and try again. my old card did that. May 11 15:02:44 fscking card now May 11 15:02:53 this is my "debian dev" card May 11 15:02:58 Or download the packages via computer, it's what I did and it works great. May 11 15:03:03 so it sees lots of writes and big compiles May 11 15:03:09 it might just be dying :( May 11 15:03:09 ah May 11 15:03:44 Anyone know the svn link for this: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/apt/0.7.6maemo2/ ? May 11 15:04:09 forget it, it works. May 11 15:05:16 Here is dpkg source - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/dpkg/1.14.7maemo5/ . Arent I resourceful ^-^ May 11 15:05:18 :p May 11 15:05:58 af'noon, all May 11 15:06:03 afternoon May 11 15:10:40 Ok, I've compiled apt. How do I install it, make install doesn't work. May 11 15:11:46 you compiled on the tablet? May 11 15:12:04 in scratchbox, I need the new headers etc May 11 15:12:09 normally you'd package a .deb of it May 11 15:12:15 ah, ok thanks. May 11 15:12:19 so dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot May 11 15:12:37 Thanks :) May 11 15:12:51 sure, call it enlightened self interest :) May 11 15:13:20 hehe :). I like SSU, it means I have copy of original debs if things mess up May 11 15:13:37 yes, that will be very nice for people I think May 11 15:13:57 it would also be cool to keep that one package that marks all the right versions of default stuff May 11 15:14:13 the osso-software-version thing? May 11 15:14:16 yeah May 11 15:14:32 tell people: "you have problems?" run apt-get -f install osso-software-version-default or whatever May 11 15:14:40 and get them back to nokia versions May 11 15:14:43 I wonder what unlocked means? :/. Is Marius Vollmer on here? May 11 15:14:45 Yeah :) May 11 15:15:10 unlocked? maybe it doesn't accept updates by default? May 11 15:15:18 maybe there's an opt-in? May 11 15:15:27 or maybe it's really a phone! May 11 15:15:41 Yeah, probably. There is an package without the locked but no one has tried it. May 11 15:15:43 lock in to wimax? :P May 11 15:15:44 Lol :P :) May 11 15:16:13 I need to get round to making that chinook initfs with the diablo ipv6 modules May 11 15:16:25 ok, no more I/O errors, so hopefully this will all automagically "just work" May 11 15:16:34 gl May 11 15:20:16 * qwerty12 has just installed my apt compiled pkgs. Now to do dpkg. May 11 15:21:44 It is doomed to fail May 11 15:21:55 Why? It's not big enough? :p May 11 15:22:11 Youre too hung on the big issue now May 11 15:22:18 Of course May 11 15:22:21 Bigger isn't always better! May 11 15:22:44 Lol, anyway, so why do you think it will fail? my scratchbox is already messed up May 11 15:22:44 It's how you use the space you have that makes or breaks it! May 11 15:23:00 Just spouting random words out of boredom May 11 15:23:06 oh lol May 11 15:23:19 bigger is always better: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/manhattan-adventures-with-a-20-inch-laptop/ May 11 15:23:23 And imaging 9xx series tablet with proper hw etc :/ May 11 15:24:13 Or a better UI than what nokia is providing now May 11 15:25:23 Waiting eagerly for someone to port mobile ubuntu on 770 :o May 11 15:25:49 now now, N8*0 before 770 ;) :P May 11 15:25:51 so what are you looking for from ubuntu? May 11 15:26:18 The ui is more thumb friendly than what were using now May 11 15:26:45 it also requires 512MB of RAM :) May 11 15:27:10 So they say but i could imagine one would get it to run with less if they tried :o May 11 15:27:12 ...and a h/w accelerated GPU May 11 15:27:29 forge, sure, 448MB of swap would work too May 11 15:27:34 :) May 11 15:27:38 mm hardware accelerated gpu May 11 15:28:03 That would be nice ... even on OS2008 :o May 11 15:29:06 May 11 15:29:06 armedslack would rock May 11 15:29:09 that being said, many of the other apps made for hildon for ubuntu mobile will be prime recompile candidates, once they're actually stable May 11 15:29:19 sorry dont know what that was May 11 15:29:29 the revenge of whitespace :) May 11 15:29:32 yeah May 11 15:29:37 fell alseep on my keyboard at work May 11 15:29:39 :P May 11 15:29:40 nullmodem has line noise May 11 15:29:56 lol May 11 15:29:56 armedslack would be pretty trivially easy if you borrowed bits from debian May 11 15:30:08 Thats what i was thinking May 11 15:30:56 and using the console on an n800 with USB keyboard is just fun :) May 11 15:30:59 i like working with .tgz over apt the space saving would be immense May 11 15:31:05 johnx, forget aptitude, dselect compiles with dpkg package :P. w00t! :P May 11 15:31:06 true, I have the n810 May 11 15:31:13 gah, dselect O_o May 11 15:31:31 NullM0dem, so what's a "base" install for armedslack? May 11 15:31:40 i think around 300 May 11 15:32:01 ah, so you do save ~30MB vs Debian I guess May 11 15:32:51 yes May 11 15:32:58 not that it is critical May 11 15:33:20 yeah, I'd pay 30MB for apt updates and installs any day May 11 15:33:50 i have used slackware for almost 8 years, im used to it May 11 15:34:00 whats this armedslack? May 11 15:34:04 to each his own :) May 11 15:34:10 slackware for ARM May 11 15:34:17 * johnx has been using Debian and/or Ubuntu for close to 10 May 11 15:34:17 yes May 11 15:34:44 ive used debian based system for about 3 May 11 15:34:52 with any luck we can factor out the modifications into a nice distro agnostic sh script May 11 15:35:00 that would pretty much be the best of both worlds May 11 15:35:53 :) May 11 15:36:28 i cannot imagine ubuntu on my n810... May 11 15:36:53 think Debian, but with different package versions May 11 15:37:23 now ubuntu + a full gnome desktop would be a little crazy May 11 15:37:36 iv'e tried, i stil cant shake that 512 meg requirement May 11 15:37:42 but no more crazy than debian + a full gnome desktop May 11 15:37:53 aaah...512MB for the ubuntu mobile UI? May 11 15:37:57 yeah May 11 15:38:01 yeah, that's pretty steep May 11 15:38:11 that's just not in the cards I think May 11 15:38:41 I have intstalled slack / debian with X on machines with 64 megs f ram May 11 15:38:49 me too May 11 15:38:56 it's on my zaurus May 11 15:39:28 Iv'e always wanted a zaurus but opted for the n810 May 11 15:39:42 the CPU in the n8x0 is loads faster May 11 15:39:54 but the newest zaurus had a fantastic d-pad May 11 15:39:59 I'm glad to have both :) May 11 15:40:06 fantastic d-pad and keyboard May 11 15:40:11 to me, zaurus's look more cool. But I've never tried one. May 11 15:40:11 I liked the mini laptop version c3000 i think it was May 11 15:40:32 yeah, I have a C1000 (C3000 minus the micro drive) May 11 15:40:34 im tempted by the lifebook U series as well May 11 15:40:43 that looked a bit crazy. couldn't imagine typing on that ;) May 11 15:40:53 small x86 systems do nothing for me O_o May 11 15:40:57 MangoFusion, the zaurus? May 11 15:41:04 yes the clamshell one May 11 15:41:11 unless something drastic changes now i think ill have this nokia for a long while May 11 15:41:16 you can thumb type or type with index and middle fingers May 11 15:41:16 though it looked cool in any case May 11 15:42:39 but whatever i get will have to have linux on it :) May 11 15:42:46 I would run scratchbox on the fujitsu U810 to compile apps for my nokia n810... May 11 15:42:47 the best thing ever would be N800 hardware wedged in a zaurus case with zaurus keyboard and n800 screen :) May 11 15:43:01 What about N810 screen instead... May 11 15:43:13 that would be nice May 11 15:43:35 I find it *really* hard to see my N800 in sunlight :/ May 11 15:43:51 me too May 11 15:43:58 it's actually worse than my zaurus I think May 11 15:44:03 i think im moving to fulltime compilation on 810. scratchbox within vmware feels like a cludge, i can use the editors within windows and a putty terminal and its all good May 11 15:44:37 johnx, it's worse than my 176x144 phone :/ May 11 15:44:44 lcuk, which is funny, cause I'm trying to move away from native compilation to *anything* else May 11 15:44:55 qwerty12, phones are *designed* to be used outside almost all the time... May 11 15:45:26 True but a proper screen would have still been nice. My PPC had a nicer screen. May 11 15:45:46 but for my own programs i know im in control of what happens, and depending on the file im compiling i can be running app within a couple of seconds, it saves a whole bunch of copying and moving to get it running May 11 15:45:55 I want a zaurus 6000 to play with :( May 11 15:46:56 lcuk, oh definitely. no argument here. we just have opposite use cases and both initially took the path of least resistance May 11 15:47:24 yer, i prefer not to build other peoples programs and will enjoy lounging on the beach coding next week :) May 11 15:48:49 i think my amiga used to take longer to compile and build May 11 15:49:04 I'm glad that I was wrong :) May 11 15:49:20 wrong about? May 11 15:49:32 native compiling being a bad idea for you May 11 15:50:25 yer, its deffo not. i just have to be careful not to build monster source and im ok May 11 15:51:18 qwerty12, did you at any point end up with two panels running during apt-get install osso-diablo-whatever May 11 15:51:31 yes, it goes after reboot May 11 15:51:54 I should take a screenshot May 11 15:52:11 "why diablo is twice as good as chinook!" :) May 11 15:53:21 johnx, this module kills compilating (takes 4 minutes) everything else is done in a couple of seconds May 11 15:53:23 http://pastebin.com/d27929083 May 11 15:53:48 is diablo a new environment for the NIT ? May 11 15:54:00 yer, son of chinook May 11 15:54:18 basically a point release of OS2008 May 11 15:54:21 maemo 4.1 May 11 15:54:34 OS2008 "feature upgrade" by Nokia's reckoning May 11 15:54:43 i should try it May 11 15:54:49 * qwerty12 cant wait for proper diablo sbox environment May 11 15:55:11 lcuk, that looks pretty insane May 11 15:55:24 is that "anything in the name of speed"? May 11 15:55:24 fonts! May 11 15:55:29 yer, it was a test to make brushes May 11 15:55:33 fonts are ttf ;) May 11 15:55:43 ah May 11 15:55:47 maybe use an xpm? May 11 15:55:49 :) thats right May 11 15:55:56 these are custom glyphs but i wanted them coded inline May 11 15:56:15 you can #include an xpm, IIRC May 11 15:57:20 well i could have done them as static char asd[] = { ..... } declarations, but then i would have to seperate the actual glyph data from its definition May 11 15:57:44 if it put them into a single function call i get to keep them together and can simply use as required May 11 15:58:18 your choice of course, and I'm sure you're far more familiar with this than me at this point :) May 11 15:58:36 * RST38h finally fixed light gun simulation in iNES May 11 15:58:46 its ok, ive not used it, it was a test and will be using alternative methods May 11 15:58:50 Should be really cool on a tablet =)~~ May 11 15:59:06 DuckHunt with your finger, etc May 11 15:59:16 light gun sim? i thought light guns didnt work anymore with scanless tvs May 11 15:59:21 oooooh now thats good May 11 15:59:49 duckpoke? May 11 16:00:04 >.< May 11 16:02:39 qwerty12, so it does boot if you don't flash the kernel or modules, right? May 11 16:02:49 yes May 11 16:03:03 I only found out about flashing the kernel afterwards May 11 16:03:07 great May 11 16:03:12 No one else seemed to pick it up either :/ May 11 16:03:31 I'll load initrd and kernel from flasher then May 11 16:03:55 I really need a screenie of this desktop first though :) May 11 16:03:55 cool May 11 16:04:01 Hehe, I looked at flash-and-boot and ran screaming after I first installed it. May 11 16:04:12 Largely because I still needed to dual-boot. May 11 16:04:24 I only realised about it when jott mentioned the initfs deb file May 11 16:04:32 gah...nevermind with the screenie May 11 16:04:42 don't want to install any software at this point :/ May 11 16:04:55 use a camera :/ May 11 16:05:02 not exactly a screenshot but... May 11 16:05:03 x11vnc May 11 16:05:10 too late May 11 16:05:12 still installing something May 11 16:06:34 omgwtfboots! May 11 16:06:42 ? May 11 16:06:47 it works May 11 16:06:54 the kernel and initfs? May 11 16:07:05 or diablo in general :P May 11 16:07:05 nah, just the system in general May 11 16:07:08 diablo May 11 16:07:24 I'll take a clean backup now with flasher :) May 11 16:07:28 ah :). after compiling synaptic, I'll start work on creating initfs May 11 16:07:46 atm, ipv6 support cannot be enabled due to using chinook initfs May 11 16:08:33 If I've got Diablo kernel installed, the modules should insmod fine right? May 11 16:08:56 diablo kernel + chinook modules? May 11 16:08:59 no guarantee May 11 16:09:09 no, diablo modules :) May 11 16:09:18 I'm inserting them into a chinook initfs May 11 16:09:55 ah, yeah, that should work May 11 16:10:00 cool May 11 16:12:34 * qwerty12 thinks about applying some of Marius apt patches to my desktop computer's apt May 11 16:13:03 ah, such as? May 11 16:13:38 "- mmap.patch [**] May 11 16:13:38 Make it work in filesystems that don't support writable mmaps. May 11 16:13:38 - ignoretimeconflict.patch May 11 16:13:38 Don't fail to add or use keys when the clock is wrong. May 11 16:13:38 " May 11 16:14:53 \o/ niceeeeee full rebuild now takes 59seconds May 11 16:14:53 GeneralAntilles, got any plans to update Diablo section :P May 11 16:17:37 qwerty12, have an arm 0xFFFF binary handy? May 11 16:17:58 johnx, no sorry. mine got deleted with diablo flash May 11 16:18:02 :( May 11 16:18:07 you want me to compile one? May 11 16:18:15 need to fix my scratcbox first May 11 16:18:24 this will have to wait until tomorrow I guess May 11 16:18:35 ah, you offered? May 11 16:18:38 yep :) May 11 16:18:42 ah, if it's not too much trouble :D May 11 16:18:49 Ok, give me a sec May 11 16:19:25 version 0.3.2 will be ok right? i don't have time to pull from latest svn/whatever May 11 16:19:34 sure May 11 16:19:57 hmmm, its 5:18pm now, if i compile a file on windows and send it back with scp on the device its 5:18pm, but if on the device i make all the .o files at 6:18pm, any idea how to fix (both device show same time on desktop clocks) May 11 16:21:03 johnx, dcc ok? or name your favourite upload site. May 11 16:21:11 dcc is fine I think May 11 16:21:21 we'll have to see how it likes my NAT May 11 16:21:25 ok, mine may not be come think of it :p May 11 16:21:44 ooh, it worked :D May 11 16:21:44 woo! May 11 16:22:00 I didn't know I had auto-receive on O_o May 11 16:22:14 * qwerty12 is sending virus May 11 16:22:21 johnx autorecieves May 11 16:22:24 muhahahahaha May 11 16:22:34 you spelled it wrong :P May 11 16:22:35 lol May 11 16:22:50 lol May 11 16:23:06 I didn't muck with the settings either May 11 16:23:15 I think xchat does that by default O_o May 11 16:24:46 lcuk, could it have something to do with timezones? May 11 16:24:55 are you one off from UTC right now? May 11 16:25:11 im thinking so, on the console of 810 i type date and i get: Sun May 11 17:20:02 BST 2008 May 11 16:25:45 i think its british summer time thats screwing me over May 11 16:26:40 johnx, I've got binary of 0xffff w/out libusb dependency if you want it (no idea what difference it makes on tablet though) May 11 16:26:59 I don't think it will matter, I would assume May 11 16:27:02 I'll try this one first May 11 16:27:10 yeah May 11 16:28:57 I think I figured out how to change initfs logo. May 11 16:29:27 it's been known for a while I thought May 11 16:29:40 I didn't know how. I asked and I never got any answers :/ May 11 16:29:55 the first Nokia logo, right? May 11 16:29:58 yeah :) May 11 16:30:14 yeah, it's in this really old "custom bootsplash" thread I thought May 11 16:30:24 maybe I'm not remembering right though May 11 16:30:36 I'm not saying it's new, nah it wasn't there, thats for the logo after initfs May 11 16:30:50 well it talked about both May 11 16:31:11 I don't remember that May 11 16:31:13 I had a neat little debian logo that changed into a debian swirl halfway through :) May 11 16:34:19 qwerty: If you find out too much, Nokia will have to hire somebody to liquidate you =) May 11 16:34:37 lmao, I better run :p May 11 16:35:34 anyone with diablo and ipv6 support here? May 11 16:36:54 btw, any news on agps performance in diablo?=) May 11 16:37:00 extracting rootfs w/ 0xFFFF is slooooow :/ May 11 16:37:13 RST38h, ask Aisu at ITT, he has installed it on N810 May 11 16:37:56 qwerty12, you and I need to find a way to get into the next device program :) May 11 16:38:18 johnx, blackmail nokia :P :) May 11 16:38:33 tell me how that works for you :P May 11 16:38:53 ok, just pay my fares to Helsinki/Espoo :p May 11 16:39:24 sure what size cardboard box do you fit in? May 11 16:39:25 qwerty: yep, just seen his post May 11 16:39:46 johnx, extra extra large lol :p May 11 16:42:11 maybe you can just blackmail the guy who works at your local nokia store? "I know that you secretly own an iPhone...let's talk..." May 11 16:42:56 lol, round in this part of London, most people cant afford iPhones :p May 11 16:43:13 i've got both initfs's saved. I'm gonna have a bit of fun May 11 16:43:29 still waiting on my rootfs backup May 11 16:43:38 how is it slower to read it then to write it O_o May 11 16:43:57 lol May 11 16:44:09 I once had a Sony Ericsson mem stick that was like that May 11 16:45:11 I hate memory stick May 11 16:45:28 Same here May 11 16:45:30 stupid sony and their proprietary ridiculousness May 11 16:45:47 I love SD cards and I'm glad N800 uses 2 full size ones May 11 16:45:55 I'm mostly surprised that it outlived xD memory May 11 16:46:37 I don't xD ever really took off as well, I think only Fuji and Olympus supported it the most? May 11 16:47:05 heh...and now they're back to SD, right? May 11 16:47:21 No idea, haven't looked at a camera in years :/ May 11 16:47:41 I was looking at a canon recently, but only looking for now :/ May 11 16:48:07 I hardly take any pics come think of it May 11 16:48:12 I love the idea of all types of flash cards but SD dying terrible death May 11 16:48:23 Would be the day... May 11 16:48:34 can I keep CF? May 11 16:48:38 I really like it May 11 16:48:48 you can use a CF->SDHC adapter if you want May 11 16:49:34 I like CF. May 11 16:49:56 Keeps my CF to IDE comfy May 11 16:50:42 johnx, any eta to the debian release? May 11 16:50:53 maybe sometime this week? May 11 16:50:55 Would give me a reason to turn on my N800 May 11 16:51:44 I think sound is doable and it's a pain having multiple versions out so I'd like this to be kind of a "most stuff works" release May 11 16:51:57 heh May 11 16:52:07 Why would you have multiple versions? May 11 16:52:32 well if I release before sound works, then I'll have to do another release in a couple weeks or whatever May 11 16:52:40 I don't really see the point May 11 16:52:42 mmk May 11 16:53:03 and also, I've been working my *$% off lately, so I'll probably do something when I have time off later this week May 11 16:54:17 yeah, 13th and 14th off...maybe something will happen then May 11 16:54:26 or maybe it won't...maybe I'll just sleep :) May 11 16:55:54 !@# May 11 16:56:12 eh? May 11 16:56:24 You should sleep AND work on it at the same time. May 11 16:56:40 And Quim on the 13th, yay May 11 16:56:53 aaah...maybe I should get it done to announce then May 11 16:57:24 good motivation :) May 11 16:57:25 Ha May 11 16:57:41 QUIM GUEZZ WAT I RELZED NU DEB LOL May 11 16:58:32 actually, it would just be nice to have something concrete to point to when the inevitable questions come up May 11 16:58:56 I should further my knowledge of hildon on zaurus as well... May 11 16:59:02 heh May 11 16:59:29 How to save raw rgb in gimp? May 11 16:59:47 like a bmp? May 11 17:00:09 not sure, all I know is that i have to make raw rgb May 11 17:00:14 aaah May 11 17:00:25 for your initfs image? May 11 17:00:30 yes May 11 17:00:30 image = picture in this case May 11 17:00:35 hehe May 11 17:00:48 I'm gonna take a guess, I'm testing it out on my tablet before I release anyway May 11 17:03:00 No, I did it wrong :/ May 11 17:04:17 old GIMP can't save raw files May 11 17:04:27 at least, it doesn't have very much support for it May 11 17:04:35 Is 2.4.5 old? May 11 17:04:52 I guess :P May 11 17:04:57 damn May 11 17:04:58 It's the latest stable May 11 17:05:00 I think May 11 17:05:14 Dev branch GIMP can, however unstable it may be May 11 17:05:24 Thanks May 11 17:05:41 It can do a lot of stuff May 11 17:05:50 (CYMK) May 11 17:06:37 qwerty12, run file and tell me what it says about the file May 11 17:07:12 Which one lol,it's kinda messed up :/ May 11 17:07:14 [12:00:19] for your initfs image? <- bad pun May 11 17:07:30 not really May 11 17:07:30 er May 11 17:07:33 s/bad/good/ May 11 17:07:35 I'm actually that tired :) May 11 17:07:36 >_> May 11 17:07:56 tired enough to try and backup the rootfs to a directory on the rootfs :/ May 11 17:08:11 lol May 11 17:08:45 not my fault though. how was I supposed to know that 0xFFFF would try and save temp files in the CWD May 11 17:10:23 qwerty12, do you use gmail? May 11 17:10:31 yes May 11 17:10:42 mmk May 11 17:12:15 I think I'm going to start forwarding all of my messages to my home box May 11 17:12:22 instead of my gmail account May 11 17:12:50 I believe "lulz" is appropriate: bug: You can't pick your home city any more :) May 11 17:13:06 luls May 11 17:13:26 in Diablo II: Lord of Destruction? May 11 17:14:01 Diablo: only for people in London May 11 17:14:10 noo, what's gonna happen? May 11 17:14:30 We'll have to start typing like the brits May 11 17:14:53 and talk with an English accent when using our N8X0s May 11 17:15:00 or Nokia will get you May 11 17:15:04 actually "clocks" was behaving completely b0rken May 11 17:15:19 even I don't speak with my Yorkshire accent much anymore May 11 17:15:19 rebooting to see if it was connected to be running out of space on flash May 11 17:15:43 * johnx lost his accent :/ May 11 17:16:17 n/m, false alarm May 11 17:16:34 just related to almost filling up / May 11 17:16:34 lol May 11 17:16:44 I'd still call it a bug May 11 17:16:48 just more of a corner case May 11 17:18:44 Bye May 11 17:21:12 hello May 11 17:21:31 how do I disable "Presence" in tray? May 11 17:21:44 disable all your accounts? May 11 17:21:45 (want to use pidgin instead) May 11 17:21:52 johnx: ah, right May 11 17:22:09 :P May 11 17:22:47 well Diablo didn't add any useful maps :/ May 11 17:22:47 http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2481737462 May 11 17:22:51 Doesn't look that bad May 11 17:23:12 it's not that bad as long as it doesn't inherit the hildon gtk theme May 11 17:23:43 oh, right May 11 17:24:31 and I ran it with a 30px top bar and a 56px (or so) sidebar May 11 17:25:17 :/ May 11 17:25:50 which doesn't really help... May 11 17:25:58 it's still *usable* like that though May 11 17:27:01 I'd probably prefer it too :P May 11 17:28:33 google maps is still painfully slow :/ May 11 17:30:06 Old browser engine May 11 17:30:37 the rest of the desktop seems a little more responsive somehow though May 11 17:30:50 Moving applets is much more responsive May 11 17:30:54 used to be a huge pain May 11 17:31:00 as well as resizing May 11 17:31:27 yeah, and theoretically these are mostly debug builds too May 11 17:31:56 do chinook "click to install"s still work? May 11 17:32:25 I broke the browser trying to install the svn browser build May 11 17:32:32 on Diablo, so bleh May 11 17:32:39 well, I'll see in a sec May 11 17:36:32 well besides the fact that it's ungodly slow, at least microb is less buggy May 11 17:40:38 Navi: Still no "lock applets" option? =) May 11 17:41:32 Chinook and Diablo stuff are backwards and forwards compatible. May 11 17:41:37 No, RST38h. May 11 17:41:52 People should stop bitching about that and just add it themselves. May 11 17:41:53 Pity. May 11 17:41:59 hildon-desktop is open source. May 11 17:42:07 No GPS improvements? May 11 17:42:14 Yes, GPS improvements May 11 17:42:17 AGPS, supposedly May 11 17:42:25 Don't have an N810 to test it, though. May 11 17:43:05 and my two "favorite" browser bugs are fixed May 11 17:43:30 * RST38h has seen agps-related changes in the log, but Aisu reports he has not noticed any improvements May 11 17:43:33 Keyboard behavior is broken as shit in this release. May 11 17:43:40 ? May 11 17:44:19 tap+hold behaves better now, and fullscreen keyboard enter doesn't disregard your input, then send an enter May 11 17:45:14 In MicroB, rather. May 11 17:45:29 The fullscreen keyboard is much better behaved all around. May 11 17:45:34 Enter actually works May 11 17:45:53 as opposed to pressing enter, then having to bring up the vkb to press enter again to actually send. . . . :\ May 11 17:46:11 also, smb feels faster May 11 17:46:18 I'll torture test it later May 11 17:47:05 johnx: fwiw you should be able to upload from bluetooth in the browser May 11 17:47:36 hey that's pretty cool May 11 17:47:45 sadly my phone is IRDA only :/ May 11 17:47:51 if it doesn't work, it's my fault, and i'd like to know asap May 11 17:48:06 I can try and test it with my desktop later May 11 17:48:13 anything else I should poke+prod? May 11 17:48:24 i'm trying to work on the release notes May 11 17:48:33 sadly i have slightly more urgent real world challenges May 11 17:48:58 i can probably give you a url to my raw data if you want to browse through it May 11 17:49:07 but from experience, the raw data is usually 99.9% useless May 11 17:49:51 I'll give it a look if it's no trouble for you May 11 17:51:36 hello May 11 17:51:56 someone uses the daliclock as clock? how can i do, to make the clock allway light up in the night? May 11 17:51:57 hi May 11 17:52:14 is this on OS2008? May 11 17:54:05 yes May 11 17:55:06 under control panel -> display -> select display lit while charging May 11 17:59:26 gimme a bit May 11 18:00:08 sure...uhm...I think the app manager is going to annoy me in diablo May 11 18:01:00 it seems to be automagically removing any lines with chinook in the name... May 11 18:02:13 i'm using chinook extras fine May 11 18:02:14 hrm May 11 18:02:24 technically application manager is open source May 11 18:02:32 qwerty12_N800, what happens if you open app manager and try to install something? May 11 18:02:33 i can't remember which place has it May 11 18:02:39 timely, I was just thinking the same thing May 11 18:02:44 I know where its svn repo is May 11 18:02:51 johnx, it does it fine May 11 18:02:53 +1 May 11 18:02:57 or ITT knows and so google knows and so I know :) May 11 18:03:02 johnx: i can look at the sources, but i'd rather do the other things i need to do :) May 11 18:03:15 timely, don't worry about my blathering May 11 18:03:18 do what you need to May 11 18:03:51 timely, put in my quick mod to remove legal msg (line commenting) May 11 18:03:53 :p May 11 18:04:23 I predict that we'll start to see more people take proper advantage of having the source soon May 11 18:06:01 someone uses the QwikScript input methode? after installing..how can i use it? May 11 18:06:17 eichi, have you read the thread on ITT? May 11 18:06:22 Pres s the thing under shift May 11 18:06:35 and go input method May 11 18:06:43 you may need ti May 11 18:06:46 johnx, no...itt? May 11 18:07:00 internettablettalk.com/forums May 11 18:07:13 to kill hildon input method 1st May 11 18:07:51 or just reboot May 11 18:15:50 i installed it and can see it on the input methode menu. but cant choose it May 11 18:16:07 have you rebooted since installing it? May 11 18:18:09 you *may* need qt libraries (not sure9 May 11 18:18:15 s/9/) May 11 18:19:11 johnx, yes, i did May 11 18:19:23 no ideas then May 11 18:19:41 the thread is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19869&highlight=qwikscript May 11 18:19:47 I need to catch some sleep though May 11 18:20:35 I'll look more at diablo stuff and debian after work tomorrow May 11 18:39:06 i got it! just select the input language to englisch_UK May 11 19:00:04 cor blimey the doctors daughter is a bit of alright! May 11 19:05:00 lmao May 11 19:52:48 lcuk: she was, wasn't she? Peter Davison's daughter too, which is quite cool. May 11 19:53:14 good to see we have a way out of the regeneration limit May 11 19:53:46 * Jaffa hasn't checked Outpost Gallifrey yet to see if there are any better theories than the naff one I came up with for my wife as to why she didn't fully regnerate. May 11 19:54:06 cos shes better looking than any doctor ;) May 11 19:54:12 heh May 11 19:54:59 johnx: You here? May 11 19:55:01 what was your theory then May 11 19:55:47 lcuk: some kind of "well, it was only a flesh wound so a full regeneration, just a bit of healing was necessary". Doesn't really hold water, tho'. May 11 19:56:49 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter May 11 19:56:50 hrm May 11 19:56:51 i couldn't help but think if she got a mouth that sucks like a dyson shes in the wrong profession May 11 19:56:58 mornin kot May 11 19:57:02 Capn_Fish: he appears to be asleep according to AIM away, if that can be trusted :) May 11 19:57:02 hi hi May 11 19:58:01 bah not you again...damn nickalert tripper May 11 19:58:37 rm_you: Thanks. I don't know what his timezone is, so I'm just popping semi-randomly :) May 11 19:58:42 heh May 11 19:58:46 he's in Japan May 11 19:58:52 Joy. May 11 19:59:20 though the hours he keeps sometimes should mesh with our hemisphere May 11 19:59:30 Thanks. I'll try to catch him when he may be awake May 11 19:59:30 what did you need him for? :P May 11 19:59:41 Just to chat about his Debian builds and stuff May 11 19:59:45 ah May 11 19:59:57 we work on a lot of the same projects, so often I can answer questions and such May 11 20:00:19 I was mostly wondering when it'll be ready for me to try :D May 11 20:00:38 heh May 11 20:00:43 I got an N810 assuming I could put Angstrom/Debian on it, you see May 11 20:00:50 hopefully he releases his second awesome version soon :) May 11 20:00:57 ah, lol May 11 20:00:57 OS2008 is relatively lousy May 11 20:01:05 did you used to use a zaurus? May 11 20:01:08 Won't it be v3 May 11 20:01:12 maybe May 11 20:01:15 i lost track May 11 20:01:15 I still use my Z more than my N810 May 11 20:01:22 which one do you have? May 11 20:01:24 I have a C750 and a C3100 May 11 20:01:26 ah May 11 20:01:36 The 750 is mostly unused, though May 11 20:01:37 i always kind of wanted a C3x00 May 11 20:01:46 What do you have? May 11 20:01:48 the only one i ever owned was a collie May 11 20:01:53 SL5500 May 11 20:01:53 Ah. May 11 20:01:59 I know :) May 11 20:02:03 yeah :) May 11 20:02:08 i miss it :/ May 11 20:02:09 I'm actually rebuilding Angstrom for it now May 11 20:02:10 but not much May 11 20:02:20 it had... problems May 11 20:02:41 The Z owns the N8x0 ATM due to the number of working OSs May 11 20:02:48 "Real" OSs May 11 20:02:58 heh May 11 20:02:59 well May 11 20:03:04 Meaning straight-up X11, being able to choose your WM, etc. May 11 20:03:04 i didnt get my 810 to keep swapping OSes May 11 20:03:05 why do you need number of os's ? May 11 20:03:08 all you need is one good os May 11 20:03:11 my zaurus never worked as well (or as fast, obviously) as my n800 May 11 20:03:15 you need only one May 11 20:03:16 :) May 11 20:03:34 OK, then the N810 has no good OS, IMO May 11 20:03:41 Not to start a flamewar May 11 20:03:46 i don't mind ITOS May 11 20:04:01 it *works* most of the time, which is a bonus over OpenZaurus May 11 20:04:19 os2008 is not suited to your needs, fine no problem :) a lot of people are happy though May 11 20:04:22 I never got to use Angstrom really May 11 20:04:38 I'd give up some things working on the N810 for more control May 11 20:05:39 I've been using Angstrom for a while, and while the default images are lousy, I made a custom one that is pretty standard Linux-like May 11 20:06:28 so, what do you want to do on your 810? May 11 20:06:52 re May 11 20:06:54 Coding, OS hacking, some games, mobile internet access,etc. May 11 20:07:08 coding is the only thing i haven't managed yet May 11 20:07:10 With a decent WM and CLI access May 11 20:07:14 well, in any compiled languages May 11 20:07:23 can't you do all that already? hell, even me as a windows user and linux n00b is compiling direct on device and having a whale of a time May 11 20:07:26 And no Hildon May 11 20:07:26 a more flexible WM would be nice May 11 20:07:27 :) May 11 20:07:36 EvilWM FTW! May 11 20:07:57 Makes great use of your precious embedded screen real estate May 11 20:08:08 theres a hardware fullscreen button for a reason May 11 20:08:13 at 225dpi it doesn't matter much May 11 20:08:14 :) May 11 20:08:20 True. May 11 20:08:35 To me it does, but I'm weird May 11 20:08:41 and i second lcuk's opinion on fullscreen May 11 20:08:42 :) May 11 20:09:15 It's also nice to actually be able to move windows around the screen and save on RAM May 11 20:09:20 just think of hildon as a pretty front end to all that raw power lurking underneath May 11 20:09:40 Pretty frontends have never been my thing :) May 11 20:09:49 i think they should have included hw alt-tab like button May 11 20:09:56 i just want the maemo-hackers xterm back >_> May 11 20:09:57 i miss that May 11 20:10:01 to keep people from b*tching May 11 20:10:02 :) May 11 20:10:16 THe keymapping is another thing the Z has over the N810 May 11 20:10:25 KotCzarny, cant that be setup? May 11 20:10:30 KotCzarny: isn't pressing home for a long time like it May 11 20:10:41 what's the easiest way to gain root on an N800 running OS2008 ? May 11 20:10:49 grab app list, move to next and open with your doofer May 11 20:10:49 kpel: install gainroot May 11 20:10:55 KotCzarny: like 'tabbing'.. the same way it's doen on series60.. pressing app key for a long perioid gets you an app list of running stuff May 11 20:10:56 i have gainroot installed but doesn't seem to work May 11 20:10:59 THen just do a "sudo gainroot", and voila May 11 20:11:04 will try again, thanks May 11 20:11:06 np May 11 20:11:08 glass, you need to move your finger to dpad from 'home' May 11 20:11:10 Best of luxk May 11 20:11:24 *luck May 11 20:11:32 KotCzarny: hw buttons tend to need that May 11 20:11:41 i like alt-tab functionality to quickly switch between 2 apps May 11 20:11:53 I agree May 11 20:11:58 wheres alt-tab on your 800 :P May 11 20:12:03 Or ctrl-alt-m May 11 20:12:06 KotCzarny: hmm. doesnt pressing it once scroll between running apps? May 11 20:12:13 lcuk: i can map some hw button probably May 11 20:12:23 KotCzarny: like it does on s60? May 11 20:12:25 Where are the keymaps on the N810? May 11 20:12:33 yer, i know and on a real bt keyboard it would be mega useful May 11 20:12:36 glass: tbh i haven't really checked, but you still need to do 2 clicks at least May 11 20:12:42 KotCzarny: press it long, up comes the list, short taps go through apps and another long press selects May 11 20:13:34 Capn_Fish: i get "cal_read_block(r&d_mode): size zero, block not found? Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" May 11 20:13:37 any way to convert a maemo map tracking file to a .kmz? May 11 20:13:52 kpel: Do you have an N810? May 11 20:14:04 rm_you, sse2.net/xterm May 11 20:14:05 Capn_Fish: nope, as i said above it's a N800 running OS2008 May 11 20:14:10 :P May 11 20:14:11 kpel: THere was a thread about corrupted NAND May 11 20:14:13 GeneralAntilles: <3 May 11 20:14:20 rm_you: I typed before I thought :( May 11 20:14:22 gainroot used to work before the last os2008 update May 11 20:14:40 Capn_Fish: is the corruption repairable? May 11 20:14:43 Maybe corruption is an issue? May 11 20:14:45 ? May 11 20:14:48 hang on May 11 20:15:30 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043&highlight=corrupt May 11 20:15:37 Check that thread May 11 20:15:42 ok thanks May 11 20:15:46 who owns sse2.net? May 11 20:16:01 I don't know if it applies, but it's worth a shot May 11 20:16:09 jott, probably May 11 20:16:33 GeneralAntilles: do i need to install ALL of these packages? May 11 20:16:40 Yes May 11 20:16:41 also, is it going to replace my old xterm or add another? May 11 20:16:48 Replace. May 11 20:17:01 cool. May 11 20:17:45 What's different about this XTerm? May 11 20:18:40 It's better. May 11 20:18:46 well, better ctrl-* functionality, for one May 11 20:19:01 Not hindered by Nokia's retarded UI spec May 11 20:19:11 Hmm...Sounds good May 11 20:19:57 I still don't understand why people always clamber for more bundled stuff from Nokia. . . . May 11 20:20:05 Nokia's bundled stuff always sucks. :\ May 11 20:20:35 Agreed. May 11 20:20:49 yup, wnokryptia May 11 20:20:50 etc May 11 20:20:51 ;) May 11 20:20:53 I'm clamoring for more Debian May 11 20:20:54 :) May 11 20:20:55 sweeeet May 11 20:21:03 <3 May 11 20:23:50 GeneralAntilles: because nokia's stuff is officialy supported May 11 20:24:02 Pfft May 11 20:24:09 That's another reason not to May 11 20:24:21 Officially supported just means updates only come out once every 6 months. May 11 20:24:35 so if something goes wrong, nokia assuems liability. with the unsupported stuff the user will get just some comforting words from us here :) May 11 20:24:45 6 months is a long time? May 11 20:25:02 and my programs are officially supported by me May 11 20:25:03 :) May 11 20:25:10 Mine too! May 11 20:25:17 Until I lose interest May 11 20:25:21 Compared to the open source stuff's update cycles. May 11 20:25:21 true May 11 20:25:23 lol, word May 11 20:25:23 :) May 11 20:25:34 It also means stupid bugs that should never have been introduced don't get fixed for 3 years. May 11 20:25:40 I agree. 6 months on an OSS device is much too long May 11 20:25:51 No, as a longtime tablet owner and user, bundling is not a desirable thing. May 11 20:26:00 GeneralAntilles: if i recall correctly, a release cycle of 6 motnhs was described as a good thing(TM) in the cathedral and the bazaar. May 11 20:26:24 and, really, I don't think you understand exactly how retarded the UI spec is. May 11 20:26:34 i mean, i don't think it's bad that thr apache project doesn't make a new release every week. May 11 20:26:47 release cycle doesn't matter as long there is an update repository May 11 20:26:47 :) May 11 20:26:54 updated often May 11 20:27:10 (quick bug fixes) May 11 20:27:35 GeneralAntilles: as long as i'm covered by the manufacturer's warranty i don't really care about the specs. i don't pay omney to care, i pay money to enjoy my toy :) May 11 20:27:36 this new update system should allow that May 11 20:27:41 or so i believe May 11 20:27:47 kpel, no, fast release cycles aren't inherently a good or bad thing May 11 20:27:53 if all this was about a cheap pc that would be another story May 11 20:27:56 but apache also has a reasonably stable product May 11 20:27:58 Nokia does not May 11 20:28:06 fast release cycles of CRAP < slow release cycles of GOOD May 11 20:28:12 Therefor frequent updates to close as many bugs as possible are desirable. May 11 20:28:16 GeneralAntilles: what wasn't stable with the latest official nokia release? May 11 20:28:21 admittedly, Nokia does a pretty good job with releases IMO May 11 20:28:25 Lots and lots and lots and lots. May 11 20:28:31 rm_you: agreed May 11 20:28:42 I agree. 6 months on an OSS device is much too long May 11 20:28:47 But fast release cycles of crap > slow release cycles of crap May 11 20:28:52 Sorry, hit up May 11 20:28:57 lcuk, it certainly makes it technically feasible, but it doesn't mean that it'll actually happen. :( May 11 20:29:02 GeneralAntilles: the only annoying thing i found in nokia's official stuff is that the exit command in the xterm causes an infinite loop May 11 20:29:11 Exactly, Capn_Fish. May 11 20:29:21 You haven't been using it very long then? May 11 20:29:27 Me? May 11 20:29:40 GeneralAntilles: only since september May 11 20:29:41 nm May 11 20:29:47 since the os2007 days May 11 20:30:21 kpel, I dunno, then you either haven't been paying attention or don't use your device very much. :\ May 11 20:30:30 could very well be the case May 11 20:30:47 so go on gen, what probs have you noticed May 11 20:31:19 Way OT, but there's no native compiler for the N810, is there? May 11 20:31:28 cos i also havent seen any actual bugs yet, i know they exist but have never effected me May 11 20:31:34 yes May 11 20:31:35 gcc May 11 20:31:39 lcuk, you're kidding, right? May 11 20:31:42 im using it right now May 11 20:31:46 The GPS is a bug. . . . May 11 20:31:46 Natively? May 11 20:31:50 Or cross? May 11 20:32:03 ermm.. you are referring to the N810 device only? May 11 20:32:06 hardware, no amount of gpl will sort it (unless this agps does work..) May 11 20:32:13 Virtual keyboard input is incredibly buggy May 11 20:32:22 native compilation May 11 20:32:28 direct on mmc1 May 11 20:32:29 Well, all I have is an N810, so anything else isn't of much use to me May 11 20:32:38 Erm, I'm not arguing for GPL lcuk May 11 20:32:40 lcuk: Where did you obtain this native compiler? May 11 20:32:44 just that Nokia ships buggy software May 11 20:32:47 capn: apt-get May 11 20:32:48 :) May 11 20:32:49 maemo-extras i believe May 11 20:33:09 ill just pop up my repos, i havent got many May 11 20:33:12 The "Map" application is one giant bug May 11 20:33:53 GeneralAntilles: i agree that there are bugs. but that's a long way from saying that product X is unstable. May 11 20:33:54 bundled xterm is another giant bug May 11 20:34:04 hum, will apt-cache list which repo a package is currently reporting from? May 11 20:34:14 Application manager in Chinook crashes ALL THE TIME May 11 20:34:25 crashes? May 11 20:34:37 i find that most bugs are annoying (but still unacceptable) not really showstoppers May 11 20:34:39 lcuk, just search gronmayer? May 11 20:34:44 hell yes May 11 20:34:54 kpel, no, they're not show stoppers May 11 20:35:02 lcuk: I have all the repos on the N810 enabled that are there May 11 20:35:11 lol May 11 20:35:15 but my argument is that having Nokia bundle stuff is a less than desirable solution May 11 20:35:21 capn, that's a recipe for a fail May 11 20:35:34 i wouldn't mind nokia bundling stuff as long as it's quality stuff May 11 20:35:39 i have only enabled extras and canola May 11 20:35:45 there are howtos that recommend turing on all repos May 11 20:35:49 i did that (all repos) = instant slowdown May 11 20:35:52 kpel, by definition, it can't be. May 11 20:35:56 i did do it May 11 20:36:02 umm did not May 11 20:36:08 nm: those howtos are wrong May 11 20:36:12 i know May 11 20:36:22 Yet another reason to dislike OS200x May 11 20:36:23 but then again, what percentage of the opensource community would like to follow the quality process of nokia? won't it be like herding cats? May 11 20:36:38 capn: you can do "stupid things" in ANY os May 11 20:36:56 and it's your responsibility to know how to use a tool May 11 20:37:18 So enabling pre-set features on a standard hardware platform is stupid? May 11 20:37:26 Perhaps the OS is stupid, I should think May 11 20:37:30 define pre-set features May 11 20:37:37 I didn't add any repos May 11 20:37:51 They were there when I turned the device on for the first time May 11 20:37:57 ok, i thought you have enabled all repos from gronmayer May 11 20:37:57 :) May 11 20:38:06 I just enabled them. If they put them there, how can it be stupid to enable them? May 11 20:38:11 The only repo turned off by default is Extras May 11 20:38:14 and that's fine to enable. May 11 20:38:17 "them" May 11 20:38:20 You enabled ONE May 11 20:38:24 There is no "them" May 11 20:38:27 I couldn't remember May 11 20:38:37 You confused us by using "them" May 11 20:38:43 My apologies May 11 20:38:54 It sounded like you went and took every repo off gronmayer. ;) May 11 20:39:02 Which is a BAD PLAN May 11 20:39:06 I don't even know what gronmayer is May 11 20:39:09 then why do they exist? May 11 20:39:10 I once did... May 11 20:39:12 i read a howto that said that was ok, I didnt follow that step May 11 20:39:22 lcuk: because everyone can create a repo May 11 20:39:23 Stupid move that i did May 11 20:39:23 :) May 11 20:39:27 lcuk: even you :> May 11 20:39:39 lcuk, why do what exist? May 11 20:39:40 and so whats the problem with installing from each rpoe May 11 20:39:42 repo May 11 20:39:42 then convince users to add it May 11 20:39:42 I know that going into a Debian (based) system and putting in every repo you can find is a bad idea May 11 20:39:46 All repos? May 11 20:39:46 then do stupid things May 11 20:39:50 Conflicting packages May 11 20:39:57 like adding conflicting packages May 11 20:40:10 Packages that replace system stuff (like the arabic and hebrew input method repos) May 11 20:40:14 then thats apt-gets problem for not having priorities surely? May 11 20:40:16 Testing repos, like extras-devel May 11 20:40:24 No, lcuk . . . May 11 20:40:38 lcuk, apt-get uses highest version i think May 11 20:40:46 from any repo it can find May 11 20:40:48 :) May 11 20:40:52 yum has a priority plugin i thnk apt may as well May 11 20:41:28 apt does May 11 20:41:36 But how the hell do you want to set that up. . . . May 11 20:42:00 configuration is always a tricky bit May 11 20:42:42 put nokia at the top, if a user wants something from somewhere else that conflicts they can damn well specifically select the alternative source May 11 20:43:08 Odd issue: When I start Music Player or Canola, they can't find any music, yet when I browse to a file directly within each, they play the file fine May 11 20:43:27 weird May 11 20:43:33 lcuk, easier solution is to just not install repos you don't need. May 11 20:43:39 evaryont, check if their indexers are running May 11 20:43:48 qwerty12_N800: er, how? May 11 20:43:52 having users clicking ".install" files means its easier said than done May 11 20:44:00 metalayer-crawler for built in media player May 11 20:44:05 a user doesnt know wtf a repo is May 11 20:44:10 not really sure :/ May 11 20:44:20 an interesting point, lcuk May 11 20:44:24 and shouldn't have to May 11 20:44:30 i've seen this even with eee users May 11 20:44:34 they either stick with default and never change, or they do the windows things and go onto the website and click install May 11 20:44:36 They should just be able to enable Extras and call it a day. May 11 20:44:38 good plan is to have a person to manage community repo available 24/7 May 11 20:44:41 :) May 11 20:44:49 evaryont, run ps -la | grep metalayer and post the output here May 11 20:44:50 then you don't need additional repos May 11 20:44:54 they get frustrated when they read at forum xyz that they must install packages a,b,c in order to do something May 11 20:45:28 qwerty12_N800: can't, gotta run. I'll check. With Canola, though, you do a manual scan (bleh) May 11 20:45:45 :/ May 11 20:47:16 just upgraded om-weather using apt-get and it works fine now. good work. May 11 20:59:46 if i am not changing anything else on my 1gb memory card i pushed into my 810 should this: mke2fs /dev/mmcblk1p1 format the device as ext2? i checked i have the correct mmc block by using df May 11 21:01:10 lcuk, I think card has to be partitioned using sfdisk May 11 21:01:23 set one partition to be ext2 May 11 21:01:28 its already partitioned and formatted as fat16, i dont want to change the allocation May 11 21:01:38 then you can format it. May 11 21:01:46 not sure then May 11 21:03:28 lcuk: huh? May 11 21:03:53 i dont want my memory card to be fat, i want to execute directly from it without copying over May 11 21:03:57 yeah, mount doesn't care about partition table's type May 11 21:04:10 so simplest is to reformat as diff file system May 11 21:05:07 yup May 11 21:05:13 don't forget to umount first May 11 21:05:15 also May 11 21:05:26 if you don't leave little vfat partition May 11 21:05:26 i cant even do that, it said it was in use May 11 21:05:37 it will b*tch every time about 'corrupted card' May 11 21:05:47 yup May 11 21:05:51 virt mem? May 11 21:05:58 some xterm cd'ed into it? May 11 21:06:01 thats mmc2 May 11 21:06:05 fuser -v /media/mmc2 May 11 21:06:28 mmc2 is internal disk (2gb) May 11 21:06:49 virtmem i mean - i have it even without extra card inserted May 11 21:07:17 ok, so to cut the confusion, mmc2 is 2gb, right? May 11 21:07:28 yes May 11 21:07:46 then it's internal sd (nonremovable on n810) May 11 21:08:06 and you want to format external sd (1gb) May 11 21:08:08 heh, i just realised why i couldnt umount May 11 21:08:09 right? May 11 21:08:12 yes May 11 21:08:20 then it's mmc1 May 11 21:08:22 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1/liqbase-kc# umount /media/mmc1 May 11 21:08:47 yeah May 11 21:08:49 cd / May 11 21:08:53 or just cd May 11 21:09:17 hmmm fuser -v not supported, without a param it shows nothing May 11 21:09:25 im in ~ May 11 21:09:40 even in / now still cant umount and its just rebooted May 11 21:10:35 i use lsof rather than fuser on tablet May 11 21:13:10 hmmm i even managed to grep May 11 21:13:15 theres a sh process holding it May 11 21:13:44 kill it May 11 21:13:45 :> May 11 21:13:52 i did :D by pid as well May 11 21:14:01 by jove i think im starting to grasp it all May 11 21:14:21 * qwerty12_N800 applauds. hate me now. May 11 21:15:08 ahhh qwerty12_N800 i didnt see it was you, i thought it was kot, thanks it helped May 11 21:15:28 hehe, np :) May 11 21:15:43 lol May 11 21:17:10 Seeing as more ppl here, I ask again, anyone with ipv6 and diablo? May 11 21:18:12 Who the heck runs ipv6? May 11 21:18:14 i think the ven diagram of users with diablo and ip6 and in here is a small slice including just yourself :P May 11 21:18:37 There was someone yesterday May 11 21:18:50 OMG May 11 21:18:53 transitional, the chart is evolving May 11 21:18:57 NAVI NOES SUMBODY May 11 21:19:05 I kno rite? May 11 21:19:14 if they both exist in the same time and place it just means freenode hasnt logged him off :P May 11 21:19:37 GeneralAntilles, someone, somewhere... May 11 21:19:47 lcuk, :p May 11 21:20:59 * qwerty12_N800 really wants diablo bme to work :/ May 11 21:21:41 wtf is "lost&found" folder and can i safely delete it May 11 21:22:00 it's on ext2 partitions by def May 11 21:22:06 -ault May 11 21:22:20 lcuk: it's a folder used by e2fsck May 11 21:22:21 I'm not sure if it deletes May 11 21:22:36 there you will find your files after some br0kage May 11 21:22:42 can i mark it hidden? May 11 21:22:47 just ignore it May 11 21:22:49 :) May 11 21:23:14 I hate things like that. CHK00* on win pee me off too. May 11 21:23:41 qwerty: at least on ext2/3 they aren't floating in your / May 11 21:23:54 but neatly shoved to lost&found May 11 21:23:55 :) May 11 21:24:10 my missuses computer has real problems - it lost practically everything May 11 21:24:12 true. but I find the files useless in the end imho :) May 11 21:24:37 qwerty: then you can delete them May 11 21:24:50 but sometimes you could be gratefull ;) May 11 21:25:44 nah, not me :p May 11 21:29:35 her machine had a serious breakdown about a year ago, and i managed to recover just enough to boot windows and run her sims and play movies, nothing else works, control panel is dead and if you try installing anything it blows chnk May 11 21:29:48 chunks* on the upside, it runs sims better than it ever has May 11 21:30:24 smash it up and post the utube May 11 21:30:40 nahhh it works May 11 21:30:52 :) May 11 21:30:52 and if i did she would smash me up and post on youtube May 11 21:30:58 lol May 11 21:31:29 Why not wipe and reinstall? May 11 21:32:27 not worth the hassle tbh May 11 21:32:27 darn fans. refuse to start at 5V May 11 21:33:18 hmmmm ext2 is too slow, fat is faster May 11 21:33:22 lcuk, sounds like you wouldn't have much to set-up May 11 21:33:24 whats faster May 11 21:33:27 after format May 11 21:33:34 lcuk, have you mounted with noatime ? May 11 21:33:40 amount of data is the issue May 11 21:33:44 whats noatime May 11 21:33:48 ie, i dunno May 11 21:33:53 few writes less May 11 21:33:59 like, 2x less May 11 21:34:15 not updating inodes on every 'read' operation May 11 21:34:30 ok umounted, how to remount May 11 21:34:40 you don't have to umount May 11 21:34:50 mount -o remount,noatime would suffice May 11 21:34:54 just add -o noatime May 11 21:34:56 when mounting May 11 21:35:12 access times in filesystem are one of the more stupid ideas ever May 11 21:35:19 edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh to make permernant (spelling and i dont give a ....) May 11 21:35:22 ntfs has it as well May 11 21:35:30 jaska: depends on your paranoidness May 11 21:36:34 hmm if i restart will it lose my mount command options? May 11 21:36:41 yes May 11 21:36:55 and it not automounts ext2/3 May 11 21:37:00 edit the file i mentioned May 11 21:37:05 because nokia's br0kenness May 11 21:37:16 qwer just doing that now May 11 21:37:21 it should honour /etc/fstab May 11 21:37:22 i was diving the tree May 11 21:37:26 and automount on boot time May 11 21:39:54 while testing, I plan onn making inittfs switch fb mode to auto as SOON as it's turned on by loading modules and running fb program. anyone see any problems? :/ May 11 21:40:01 s/onn/on May 11 21:41:09 hmmm qwerty12_N800 that looks a bit OTT, i wouldnt know where to start May 11 21:41:44 i know how to do it :) but would module loading be allowed at that time? May 11 21:42:08 * qwerty12_N800 needs to compile 0xffff and mtd-tools for arm again May 11 21:42:12 i dunno, im still mounting my mmc :P May 11 21:42:36 * lcuk is a few steps behind qwert May 11 21:43:04 i'm nothing special, when I got my n800, i knew nothing :) May 11 21:46:31 so, in diablo whos had a kernel panic? i'm dying to see what sp-oops-extract is about May 11 21:46:32 of course, but you have dived straight into replacing the entire system. im being more refrained May 11 21:48:05 * lcuk rewrites liq_make_deploy to work directly :) May 11 21:48:17 hehe, I can't help it :). good choice, it shows on the amount of times we've refelashed :) May 11 21:48:19 cool May 11 21:48:33 * KotCzarny disables dri on laptop in hopes of lowering heat dissipation May 11 21:49:45 if i run a script which executes a binary, will me sending ctrl c stop the binary or will it stop the app May 11 21:50:00 depends May 11 21:50:16 if binary detaches from term then not May 11 21:51:50 no it doesnt May 11 21:52:03 then binary gets ctrl-c May 11 21:52:03 the binary is getting the ctrl c, but the script is also stopping May 11 21:52:59 hmmm, so why doesnt the script continue May 11 21:53:55 maybe script gets ctrl-c and sends it to binary too May 11 21:54:12 or all progs on that specific terminal get ctrl-c May 11 21:55:25 not that it matters, ill have to do an infinte loop test May 11 21:55:30 +i May 11 21:55:49 and i dunno how im gonna handle that if i build an ide May 11 21:56:26 is it possible to configure global hotkeys? May 11 21:57:09 probably May 11 21:58:11 cos ill need some immutable way to stop code May 11 21:58:21 q ? May 11 21:58:21 :) May 11 21:58:39 kill -signal ? May 11 21:58:50 kill -USR1 `pidof app` May 11 21:58:57 right now, if i run bad code while(x>0){x=1;} i can currently always ctrl c and stop my app May 11 21:58:59 its how i test May 11 21:59:00 and catch USR1 signal May 11 21:59:20 i dont have to type anything, just when ive had enough i ctrl c and the next script line is killall liqbase May 11 22:00:00 when the editor itself is on device and it runs code itself without ever having a networked ssh session how can i type commands May 11 22:00:47 so, i need a special way to kill my app, kinda ctrl+break type thinking May 11 22:01:13 as i said, watch USR1 signal May 11 22:01:36 then you can send if from personal menu etc. May 11 22:01:47 so i have to somehow minimise the broken app, open a console and type commands ;) May 11 22:02:17 i just want something simple so i can say "meh ive had enough May 11 22:02:29 [CTRL]+[ESC] or something May 11 22:02:34 ill sort something May 11 22:03:27 i think it is possible to get events from x even when not in focus May 11 22:03:38 you just have to tell x that you want it May 11 22:03:39 :) May 11 22:04:05 i might even be sneaky and register and listen for a few hardware events - slide keyboard or something May 11 22:05:03 if i had accel onboard i could reset the app like an echasketch May 11 22:05:38 pfft May 11 22:50:47 What about holding ESC? May 11 22:59:26 lcuk, what about an ESC long press? May 11 23:03:59 jdiaz, doesnt that already have a mapping? May 11 23:04:34 ahh i see what you mean May 11 23:05:02 its not stopping my app yet, but i notice it stops others, ill check what signals im listening for and if thats the case ill use it May 11 23:05:15 thanks May 11 23:05:27 Lost.S04E11.HDTV.XviD-2HD.avi May 11 23:05:30 shoow May 11 23:05:34 whoops, sorry :) May 11 23:05:56 Knirch, is that latest, as in released today? May 11 23:06:19 no idea when it got released, this week atleast May 11 23:06:35 yer i just noticed May 11 23:06:39 Lost is retarded May 11 23:06:51 I stopped watching it mid season 2 May 11 23:07:42 i dont watch it at all May 11 23:08:48 Don't May 11 23:08:55 It's a waste of time May 11 23:09:00 i dont intend to, my mum goes on and on about it May 11 23:09:40 and what isn't waste of time? May 11 23:09:48 doctor who ;) May 11 23:09:53 chatting about wasted time May 11 23:10:15 ie. what's a gain of time May 11 23:10:34 or at least getting it in stasis May 11 23:12:16 lcuk, yes, I noticed that some apps are longpress-ESC-resistant, so to say. I don't know why May 11 23:12:53 it's not resistance May 11 23:12:54 for these apps, which never fails is to press the Home button, and, when the running apps list is displayed, click in the X May 11 23:12:58 it's just waiting for another key May 11 23:13:06 because usually esc codes are 2char May 11 23:13:10 or more May 11 23:13:26 jdiaz, not everything is hildonized May 11 23:13:37 I don't think that is the explanation KotCzarny May 11 23:13:48 jdiaz: but it is May 11 23:13:52 :) May 11 23:14:14 my app currently does not display an x - it should and will soon May 11 23:14:44 lcuk, don't May 11 23:14:45 :) May 11 23:14:51 lcuk, I'm referring to the x in the apps list May 11 23:15:00 not the x in the top right corner of the window May 11 23:15:01 but react on pressing an x :) May 11 23:15:17 i am as well j May 11 23:15:32 my app does not list itself when i press home May 11 23:15:40 I never found yet an application without an x in that list... May 11 23:15:42 ahm May 11 23:15:44 oh May 11 23:15:48 goodnight May 11 23:15:49 you are talking about hildonizing May 11 23:15:49 :) May 11 23:15:57 yes May 11 23:16:16 simple enough if you use sdl/gtk May 11 23:16:17 :) May 11 23:16:31 i have to respond correctly to ui events - its even simple enough with x i think May 11 23:16:57 So you can't close your app but sending it a signal? May 11 23:17:11 or escape out of menus ;) May 11 23:18:07 luckily SIGKILL never fails, no matter how ill-behaved the app is May 11 23:18:16 ;) May 11 23:18:25 not true May 11 23:18:26 :) May 11 23:18:34 zombified apps May 11 23:18:35 :) May 11 23:18:44 nothing a baseball bat or shotgun won't fix May 11 23:18:51 but that is a completely different issue May 11 23:18:57 a zombie app is indeed a dead app May 11 23:19:13 it does not uses system resources, besides the entry in the process table May 11 23:19:18 a few bytes May 11 23:19:29 still irritating to have May 11 23:19:31 :) May 11 23:19:54 since the app is actually not running, it does not receive the SIGKILL signal, so my previous sentence is correct in this sense May 11 23:20:16 luckily SIGKILL never fails, no matter how ill-behaved the app is May 11 23:20:24 in that case sigkill fails May 11 23:20:28 :) May 11 23:20:59 it depends on what we were talking about... I talked about the application stop running May 11 23:21:14 doesn't matter May 11 23:21:17 not about the application stop showing in ps :-) May 11 23:21:20 it's not important May 11 23:21:25 :) May 11 23:21:36 waste of time arguing about it May 11 23:21:37 :) May 11 23:21:55 not really arguing, only chatting May 11 23:22:05 kinda sport May 11 23:22:09 :) May 11 23:22:21 there is a meme about it May 11 23:22:21 ;) May 11 23:24:23 not for arguing, nor for wasting time... only in the interest of completness... When a zombie appears, it is not the app what was ill-behavied, it was its parent :) May 11 23:27:16 then the focus is on illbehaved parent, which is app too, isn't it? May 11 23:27:17 :) May 11 23:27:42 touchee May 11 23:27:50 going to bed May 11 23:27:52 :) May 11 23:28:09 :) May 11 23:34:31 re May 11 23:34:40 this channel seems to be busy all the time May 11 23:34:52 is it bad or good? May 11 23:35:23 That's like channels should look like :) May 11 23:38:42 mostly good i think May 11 23:38:58 there's not much point in hanging out in a silent channel May 11 23:39:06 though that's what irc is like too :) May 11 23:42:37 good night May 12 00:52:57 does anyone know how to install OS2008 on a nokia n800 through OS X? May 12 00:54:35 nevermind, found it May 12 00:57:51 hey May 12 00:58:31 where do i find h-files.... like May 12 00:58:42 ? May 12 00:58:51 /usr/include May 12 00:59:02 or anywhere you set -I May 12 00:59:27 -l? May 12 00:59:34 change your font May 12 00:59:38 or glasses May 12 00:59:53 -I? May 12 01:00:00 or copypaste it May 12 01:00:34 i dont know what this is May 12 01:00:38 an option to gcc? May 12 01:00:45 an environment variable? May 12 01:00:50 gcc option May 12 01:00:57 oh May 12 01:00:58 try gcc -v May 12 01:00:59 sorry May 12 01:01:02 not a gcc expert May 12 01:01:08 duh May 12 01:02:08 nvm May 12 01:02:13 just assume it's /usr/include May 12 01:02:50 yea May 12 01:02:53 i still have to tell gcc where to look tho May 12 01:03:06 cause its not finding the includes on its own May 12 01:03:10 then -I/your/includes/dir May 12 01:06:21 hmm May 12 01:06:32 i dont see the location header in there May 12 01:07:44 MajMin7, which specific header is missing May 12 01:08:01 im trying to write a hello-world GPS program May 12 01:08:06 it could be that you don't have the libxyz-devel library installed. May 12 01:08:21 it says that I need to include May 12 01:08:34 i get a slew of compilation errors May 12 01:09:14 check if it's for current os version May 12 01:09:26 ok, reading maemo says you are talking about liblocation May 12 01:09:36 location and lib names can change between versions May 12 01:10:35 what are you using to compile with - vmware with scratchbox, or proper linux all setup May 12 01:10:55 hmmm May 12 01:10:59 and have you compiled other things with your system May 12 01:11:13 I have successfully compiled other apps May 12 01:11:23 i compiled the hello-world GUI app in the quickstart May 12 01:11:34 i have also compiled two programs that I wrote myself May 12 01:11:47 i gather you are new to this world :) May 12 01:11:47 this is the first program that I am writing to try to use a special function, though May 12 01:11:53 im new to the N810 May 12 01:11:55 yes May 12 01:12:18 are you using native linux or are you using the vmware pre-prepared scratchbox environment May 12 01:12:31 im working out of scratchbox May 12 01:12:45 i installed that and the maemo sdk May 12 01:12:59 ok, in a sb console you will need to install the devel library for liblocation May 12 01:13:13 ohhhhhhhhh May 12 01:13:22 thats not part of the maemo-sdk? May 12 01:14:11 dpkg -l |grep location May 12 01:14:12 :) May 12 01:14:14 its installed on mine actually, ive just run im not sure May 12 01:14:18 shit May 12 01:14:21 yea May 12 01:14:24 let me grep for it....... May 12 01:14:26 apt-get install liblocation-dev May 12 01:14:34 if its already installed it will tell you May 12 01:15:59 looks like its installing..... May 12 01:16:03 i have just included it in my project and it fails with files within it May 12 01:16:15 ie the header exists, but other things are missing May 12 01:17:49 yea May 12 01:17:50 so May 12 01:17:59 it now finds the location header file May 12 01:18:04 but i get 4x more errors May 12 01:18:10 cant find other .h's May 12 01:18:44 for other things. unfortunately ive found its commonly the way, follow the trail - find out what header and install the -dev lib for it May 12 01:19:14 ok May 12 01:19:32 once you have everything it will stop moaning :) May 12 01:19:42 * lcuk just did all this directly on device May 12 01:19:51 grrraugh. i hate amd64. May 12 01:19:57 (and old software) May 12 01:20:06 nothing wrong with either May 12 01:20:25 yea that'd be great if it worked! May 12 01:20:32 i have a deadline by thursday May 12 01:20:47 havent we all May 12 01:21:39 * lcuk is going on holiday on thursday and will only have 810 available May 12 01:21:45 :) May 12 01:21:50 'only' May 12 01:21:56 * |R just did that in asia for a month and a half and it was great :) May 12 01:22:19 yer but i want to do full dev work on device May 12 01:22:34 <|R> ouf May 12 01:22:36 as long you have confortable kb it's ok May 12 01:22:38 :) May 12 01:22:40 comfortable May 12 01:22:43 apple bt :) May 12 01:22:49 fine enough May 12 01:22:50 :) May 12 01:22:55 and smooth scrolly screen May 12 01:23:47 whether or not i will actually be able to dev on that in time is another matter, but the code will continue one way or the other May 12 01:25:33 right, to bed May 12 01:25:36 gnite May 12 01:25:39 nite nite May 12 01:25:45 MajMin7, good luck May 12 01:26:54 hey thanks May 12 01:47:30 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO May 12 01:47:36 t. May 12 01:47:43 so: i love my n800 May 12 01:47:52 for behold; it doth emanate greatness, and it is epic. May 12 01:48:08 wait till you hit it's limits May 12 01:48:14 like what May 12 01:48:19 it does what i want, really May 12 01:48:31 tonight i'm installing dos 6.2/win3.1 and play commander keen on it May 12 02:10:04 does anyone know of an alternative OS to OS2008? May 12 02:10:28 i remember i tried something about 6 months ago, and it had an extremely basic white and green interface May 12 02:10:32 but i cant remember then name May 12 02:10:43 poky? May 12 02:11:09 but if you prefer more traditional desktop just get kde or johnx's debian May 12 02:12:26 yea poky was it May 12 02:12:51 wouldn't KDE run better if it wasn't running on top of OS2008? May 12 02:13:17 that's why i suggested debian May 12 02:14:29 alright, i'm looking into it May 12 02:14:29 thanks May 12 02:14:58 Ha, no, dougbarrett. May 12 02:15:09 KDE's startup shuts down Matchbox, etc. May 12 02:15:28 is it possible to install debian on n8xx? May 12 02:15:34 yes May 12 02:15:37 wow May 12 02:16:22 i guess you have to run it from a memory card May 12 02:16:45 does debian have more application than maemo ? May 12 02:16:52 in arm May 12 02:16:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian May 12 02:17:01 k-fox: it doesn't matter May 12 02:17:07 both use same libraries May 12 02:17:17 and both have some incompatibilities May 12 02:17:23 ie. kdelibs vs hildon libs May 12 02:17:33 i'm going to try out poky and see how far it has progressed May 12 02:17:51 Not far, dougbarrett. May 12 02:17:56 It's not usable as a primary. May 12 02:18:19 debian is compatible both arm and intel? May 12 02:18:34 debian is compatible with 12 different processors i believe May 12 02:18:45 wow May 12 02:19:13 grr i am pissed off that i lost the backing to my nokia n800 May 12 02:19:31 and i don't really want to pay $20+s/h for a piece of plastic to cover the battery May 12 02:19:48 it's a wonderful OS May 12 02:20:37 dougbarrett, duct tape May 12 02:20:43 :> May 12 02:20:45 haha May 12 02:20:48 uhh... May 12 02:20:51 good idea though May 12 02:20:57 if done properly May 12 02:21:11 oh, and something to replace the magnetic panel May 12 02:21:37 i e-mailed nokia in hopes that they will send me one May 12 02:23:56 you can't do skype video chat with the n800 can you? May 12 02:29:06 Google Talk is possible to do video chat May 12 02:33:23 is it? May 12 02:35:34 Google Talk for tablet-to-tablet May 12 02:35:38 Gizmo for tablet-pc May 12 02:47:24 i dont know anyone with a tablet :-P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 12 02:59:57 2008