**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 13 02:59:56 2008
May 13 03:47:58 <|R> clear
May 13 03:47:59 <|R> oops
May 13 04:16:46 <RST38h> *yawn*
May 13 04:17:11 <RST38h> Gentlemen, has anyone found his Canola broken recently, after doing apt-get upgrade?
May 13 04:20:05 <RST38h> Wait, found the problem
May 13 04:23:22 <lopz> night
May 13 04:25:36 <Italodance> morning
May 13 04:29:05 <Proteous> my 770 got teh WSOD :/
May 13 04:29:08 * Proteous creis
May 13 04:29:12 <KotCzarny> fun
May 13 04:29:13 * Proteous cries too
May 13 04:29:25 <KotCzarny> try shaking
May 13 04:29:34 <Proteous> shaking what
May 13 04:29:38 <KotCzarny> nit
May 13 04:30:04 <Proteous> ...
May 13 04:33:53 <RST38h> shaking wsod.
May 13 04:37:05 <KotCzarny> shaking wood, lol
May 13 04:40:45 <GeneralAntilles> Proteous, time for an N800.
May 13 04:41:23 <KotCzarny> nah, wait for n900
May 13 04:41:25 <Proteous> heh
May 13 04:41:46 <Proteous> maybe the 810 will get a price drop when the 810w comes out
May 13 04:50:46 <timely> hrm
May 13 04:50:48 <timely> hello world?
May 13 04:50:57 <Navi> Hey timely
May 13 04:51:45 <timely> what's the latest official release?
May 13 04:51:47 <timely> 51?
May 13 04:51:59 <timely> bug 3153 is using 42 which is kinda odd
May 13 04:52:08 <Navi> iono
May 13 04:52:17 <Navi> The one in the diablo repos was 50
May 13 04:52:25 <timely> not diablo, chinook
May 13 04:52:25 <Navi> or something
May 13 04:52:34 <Navi> let me check real fast
May 13 04:52:42 <Livingroom> ok so
May 13 04:52:47 <Livingroom> skype on the n800 doesnt support the camear
May 13 04:52:48 <timely> and the one in diablo should be something between 10 and 20. but thanks
May 13 04:52:49 <Livingroom> camera
May 13 04:52:54 <Livingroom> what the hell then is the point of the camer?
May 13 04:52:55 <timely> Livingroom: Gizmodo
May 13 04:52:57 <Livingroom> it seems totally useless
May 13 04:52:59 <timely> or Flash
May 13 04:53:20 <timely> i can't remember which release enabled the camera in flash, it might be diablo
May 13 04:53:22 <Livingroom> gizmodo, flash, etc, it's totally f*ckin useless
May 13 04:53:37 <Livingroom> my dream of VoIP video-enabled is shattered.
May 13 04:53:37 <timely> the camera hardware is another story
May 13 04:53:50 <Navi> er
May 13 04:53:58 <timely> gizmodo is a lot closer to standard VoIP than skype..
May 13 04:54:19 <Livingroom> gizmodo is a blog ...
May 13 04:54:22 <timely> Navi: also, can you possibly
May 13 04:54:23 <timely> Gizmo?
May 13 04:54:32 <timely> something like that
May 13 04:54:58 <timely> ... figure out why this guy is filing bugs in "opera engine" ? :(
May 13 04:55:09 <Navi> About says "Tablet browser 0.2.2 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3"
May 13 04:56:06 <timely> can you comment in one of those bugs telling the reporter he should *really* upgrade to the latest
May 13 04:56:25 <timely> include the version number and the url for updating
May 13 04:57:22 <Navi> Heh
May 13 04:57:32 <Navi> What's one of the bug numbers?
May 13 04:58:21 <minti> i installed qt4 packages inside the scratchbox  and tried to build hello-world using qmake but it says bash: qmake: command not found ...
May 13 04:58:49 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, make yourself a "Recent" search that covers all the bugs created in the last 2-5 days
May 13 04:58:54 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3154
May 13 04:58:56 <Italodance> please tell me USB Control is better than USB Host/Otg?
May 13 04:58:58 <GeneralAntilles> There's one of them.
May 13 04:59:02 <minti> does it need other pkg
May 13 05:01:20 <timely> query: creation date changed in 5d
May 13 05:01:22 <timely> or something
May 13 05:01:24 <timely> GeneralAntilles: thanks
May 13 05:01:40 <timely> minti: qt4 or qt4-dev?
May 13 05:01:45 <timely> because they're not really related
May 13 05:02:00 <minti> i installed qt4-dev
May 13 05:03:40 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 13 05:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> I like how nobody can figure out to delete that stupid (always/sometimes/once) suggestion
May 13 05:04:05 <minti> timely: i did =>  apt-get install qt4-dev-tools
May 13 05:06:41 <minti> timely: but if i do  apt-get install libqt4-dev   libqt4-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient12-dev but it is not installable  Depends: libsqlite0-dev but it is not installable E: Broken packages
May 13 05:11:01 <Livingroom> anyone know of a dhcp server i can download for the n800?
May 13 05:30:31 <Livingroom> is there a dhcp server built into the n800?
May 13 05:31:30 <Livingroom> or one built /for/ the n800?
May 13 05:41:34 <chibiAcyd> doubtful
May 13 05:42:05 <KotCzarny> just grab/build one
May 13 05:42:11 <KotCzarny> that's what sdk is for.
May 13 05:42:51 <grape> everything was built for the n800... just haven't figured out how to get it all to install yet ;-)
May 13 05:42:57 <Stskeeps> if i'm not mistaken, doesn't dnsmasq have a dhcpd?
May 13 05:45:25 <livinroom> er
May 13 05:45:29 <livinroom> i wouldnt know where to begin
May 13 05:45:33 <KotCzarny> lol
May 13 05:45:34 <livinroom> i am not a programmer :P
May 13 05:45:49 <KotCzarny> you don't have to program anything
May 13 05:45:53 <KotCzarny> just install.
May 13 05:49:03 <livinroom> yeah, i would have like, no idea.
May 13 05:49:55 <chibiAcyd> there is a pretty extensive wiki about the sdk
May 13 05:50:24 <livinroom> yes, but
May 13 05:50:27 <livinroom> i'm totally clueless
May 13 05:50:30 <livinroom> i've never done anything like that
May 13 05:51:16 <KotCzarny> time for some education then?
May 13 06:18:32 <ds3>  
May 13 06:19:08 <Cptn-N800> Indeed
May 13 06:19:14 <qwerty12> Always
May 13 06:19:14 <Cptn-N800>  
May 13 06:19:26 <qwerty12>    
May 13 06:19:28 <ds3> hmmm
May 13 06:19:36 <qwerty12> I beat you, my spaces were bigger :p
May 13 06:20:00 <Cptn-N800> I dont care about your myspace ^^
May 13 06:20:13 <qwerty12> lol
May 13 06:31:24 <Navi> total fail
May 13 06:43:31 <dougbarrett> what is fail?
May 13 06:43:55 <qwerty12> Navi
May 13 06:44:07 <qwerty12> :P
May 13 06:54:49 <czr> multifail.
May 13 06:55:04 <qwerty12> quadruple fail.
May 13 06:55:06 <czr> "because failure is always an option"
May 13 06:55:19 <czr> although I should've written 'becuase'
May 13 06:55:38 <Cptn-N800> Try not. Fail, or fail not
May 13 06:55:41 <forge> Maemo.org has too little stuff going on
May 13 06:56:00 <Navi> Bleh
May 13 06:56:19 <forge> (Can you see i'm bored at work)
May 13 06:56:25 <Navi> I hate it when people try to tell me that the S60 platform is open :P
May 13 06:56:40 <qwerty12> lol
May 13 06:56:45 <forge> (Oh but it is, you can install your own software for it ^^)
May 13 06:56:45 <qwerty12> At least it's hacked now
May 13 06:57:12 <Navi> forge, are you being serious?
May 13 06:57:24 <forge> Guess ?
May 13 06:57:59 <Navi> qwerty12, hacked?
May 13 06:58:08 <forge> Yeah they hacked it
May 13 06:58:14 <qwerty12> Yes, extended years certs
May 13 06:58:17 <qwerty12> Full access to C:...
May 13 06:58:21 <Navi> oh
May 13 06:58:29 <KotCzarny> yeah.. i have read it..
May 13 06:58:37 <forge> Although were a long way from getting any real benefits from it
May 13 06:58:39 <KotCzarny> someone selling hacked 770 on craigslist..
May 13 06:58:52 <KotCzarny> installed hacked os or something
May 13 06:58:54 <qwerty12> It had bootmenu installed? :p
May 13 06:58:58 <KotCzarny> better than 2006!
May 13 06:59:01 <KotCzarny> you imagine?
May 13 06:59:04 <forge> :p
May 13 06:59:43 <qwerty12> I could get quite a bit selling my N800 with Diablo on it.
May 13 07:00:15 <KotCzarny> no, you wont
May 13 07:00:19 <KotCzarny> won't ?
May 13 07:00:21 <Navi> Hacked N800 with diabloooooozzzz
May 13 07:00:55 <qwerty12> hehe, gtg, got an exam :/
May 13 07:00:58 <Navi> I got my tablet for 160 with Diablo on it in March
May 13 07:01:03 <Navi> someone's beating you out, qwerty12
May 13 07:01:10 <forge> :)
May 13 07:01:12 <qwerty12> lol
May 13 07:01:16 <qwerty12> bye
May 13 07:01:17 <Navi> Bye qwerty12. Good luck
May 13 07:04:43 <johnx> hey rm_you_
May 13 07:05:42 <Navi> Ooh, eetz johnx
May 13 07:05:58 <forge> Regarding eetz, i'm hungry
May 13 07:06:14 <johnx> yeah, have to clean up sound and make a nice little hack to make suspend work :)
May 13 07:06:22 <Navi> :D
May 13 07:06:30 <Navi> Releasing soon?
May 13 07:06:37 <johnx> well that's the plan
May 13 07:06:47 <johnx> I really want to figure out why sound is distorted
May 13 07:06:57 <Navi> mmk
May 13 07:07:02 <johnx> they really screwed up sound with this kernel/alsa/gstreamer release is what I'm thinking
May 13 07:07:14 <Navi> Eh? Diablo can suspend to memory?
May 13 07:07:15 <Navi> O_o
May 13 07:07:29 <johnx> well it worked in chinook kernel + debian
May 13 07:07:35 <johnx> it just died after 60 seconds :/
May 13 07:07:43 <Navi> I heard
May 13 07:07:47 <KotCzarny> johnx: probably wrong configuration? (asound.conf)
May 13 07:07:54 <johnx> KotCzarny, nah
May 13 07:07:59 <KotCzarny> it helped for me
May 13 07:08:02 <johnx> I copied the asound.conf from chinook
May 13 07:08:11 <KotCzarny> try fiddling with it?
May 13 07:08:11 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 07:08:13 <johnx> I'm having the same problem people are complaining about with mpd under chinook
May 13 07:08:30 <johnx> apparently routing sound through esound cleans it up or some such magic
May 13 07:08:39 <johnx> I have to see if nokia patched esound though
May 13 07:10:10 <johnx> so I'm supposed to have it go mpd -> libao -> esound -> oss emulation? -> alsa I guess
May 13 07:10:17 <johnx> which sounds kinda dumb but apparently works
May 13 07:10:51 <KotCzarny> more than dumb.
May 13 07:10:52 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 07:11:00 <KotCzarny> can you just use mplayer as a backend?
May 13 07:11:16 <johnx> I should install it, but I can't use it as a backend for mpd
May 13 07:11:34 <johnx> I agree, it's dumb, help me figure it out and I'll help you get slackware running :)
May 13 07:12:22 <KotCzarny> heh
May 13 07:12:26 <KotCzarny> i have never used mpd
May 13 07:12:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 07:12:43 <johnx> I've never used slackware :P
May 13 07:12:54 <Navi> I've used both
May 13 07:12:56 <Navi> I win!
May 13 07:12:58 * Navi runs
May 13 07:13:05 <johnx> noooo, heeeelp uss!
May 13 07:13:39 <forge> :)
May 13 07:20:02 * johnx waits for his sd card to die from all the abuse
May 13 07:20:13 <Navi> woo
May 13 07:20:41 <Navi> Off to sleep
May 13 07:20:46 <johnx> cheater :P
May 13 07:20:56 <Navi> How am I teh cheatingz?
May 13 07:21:22 <johnx> not having to stay awake until the next debian release
May 13 07:21:35 <Navi> Yeah, seriously
May 13 07:21:45 <Navi> can't even contribute constructively either
May 13 07:21:50 <johnx> it's ok though, I'll just release as soon as you log off :)
May 13 07:21:51 <Navi> That Navi really sucks
May 13 07:21:58 <Navi> Oh, you whore.
May 13 07:22:02 <johnx> :D
May 13 07:22:19 * Navi thinks of a way to get around this
May 13 07:22:22 <johnx> my bandwidth will probably be gone in hours too
May 13 07:22:24 <Livingroom> AAAUGH
May 13 07:22:27 <Livingroom> i hate my AP
May 13 07:22:28 <Livingroom> so much
May 13 07:23:19 <johnx> Navi, just go to sleep. the release probably won't happen before you wake up anyways
May 13 07:23:20 <Navi> hmm
May 13 07:23:24 <johnx> just don't sleep too long
May 13 07:23:31 <Navi> I don't t...
May 13 07:23:43 <Navi> I don't trust you, johnx
May 13 07:23:53 <johnx> well that makes two of us...who don't trust me
May 13 07:24:03 <Navi> I'll be taping my eyes open and sleeping in my chair
May 13 07:24:14 <Livingroom> i dont trust you either
May 13 07:24:21 <Livingroom> i've got the death sentance on 12 systems!
May 13 07:24:22 <Navi> that way I'll wake up when you release it
May 13 07:24:42 <johnx> O_o
May 13 07:24:48 <johnx> tell me how that works for you
May 13 07:25:02 <Navi> you'll see
May 13 07:25:13 <Navi> Night .o/
May 13 07:25:27 <johnx> 'night Navi
May 13 07:34:04 <johnx> well hot sauce, mplayer playback is perfect O_o
May 13 07:34:48 <johnx> heh...maybe I'll just bundle canola with debian
May 13 07:34:52 <Cptn-N800> What alternate universe is your mplayer from?
May 13 07:35:04 <johnx> mplayer *audio only* playback
May 13 07:35:12 <johnx> and my mplayer is from the debian universe
May 13 07:35:18 <Livingroom> guys
May 13 07:35:20 <Livingroom> question:
May 13 07:35:23 <johnx> shoot
May 13 07:35:25 <Livingroom> i have a standalone, USB powered AP that freezes after 25 seconds unless it is plugged into an actual ethernet wire (it must be connected on both ends) why do you think that is?
May 13 07:35:38 <Livingroom> there's nothing on google about it
May 13 07:35:41 <forge> It's crap
May 13 07:35:43 <Livingroom> nothing model specific
May 13 07:35:45 <Cptn-N800> Retarded design
May 13 07:36:01 <johnx> I would go with "your AP is broken, buy a wrt54gl
May 13 07:36:03 <johnx> "
May 13 07:36:08 <Livingroom> no
May 13 07:36:12 <Livingroom> i dont want a wrt54gl
May 13 07:36:15 <forge> Why not ?
May 13 07:36:19 <Livingroom> because the ap i have now is this big: <>
May 13 07:36:26 <johnx> and doesn't work
May 13 07:36:26 <Livingroom> and the wrt54gl is <====> this big
May 13 07:36:30 <Livingroom> oh now,
May 13 07:36:30 <johnx> and works
May 13 07:36:31 <Livingroom> it does work
May 13 07:36:38 <Livingroom> but only when plugged into wired connection.
May 13 07:36:39 <forge> You just said it doesn't
May 13 07:36:42 <KotCzarny> i would assume it tried to autoconfigure
May 13 07:36:44 <KotCzarny> and fails
May 13 07:36:46 <forge> Hence it's not working :p
May 13 07:36:47 <Livingroom> but dhcp is off
May 13 07:36:48 <KotCzarny> with wrong route
May 13 07:36:48 <KotCzarny> etc
May 13 07:36:52 <Livingroom> here's the thing
May 13 07:36:58 <Livingroom> for the first 25-30 seconds after power on
May 13 07:37:02 <KotCzarny> nvm, it still can fail setting proper route
May 13 07:37:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 07:37:02 <Livingroom> it will work Just Fine
May 13 07:37:03 <forge> Stupid drivers
May 13 07:37:21 <Livingroom> after 25 secs, you cannot connect to the wireless network. even though it's broadcasting. and all traffic halts
May 13 07:38:00 <KotCzarny> some security setting
May 13 07:38:01 <KotCzarny> probably
May 13 07:38:08 <Livingroom> it is, i assure you, very aggrivating
May 13 07:38:22 <Livingroom> i'm goign to try a loopback connector on wednesday
May 13 07:38:38 <Livingroom> all it seems to care about is power down the line
May 13 07:38:45 <Livingroom> the other end doesnt have to be active or sending
May 13 07:39:33 <KotCzarny> just browse the config options?
May 13 07:40:09 <Livingroom> not very many
May 13 07:40:12 <Livingroom> and none that seem to apply
May 13 07:46:15 <Cptn-N800> Fucking google docs slow shit
May 13 07:51:27 <balrg> bah
May 13 07:51:30 <balrg> i'm livingroom
May 13 07:51:37 <livinroom> ok so
May 13 07:51:40 <livinroom> i'm uploading a screenshot
May 13 07:51:50 <livinroom> the last thing i saw was 'just browse the config options?'
May 13 07:52:50 <livinroom> i25.tinypic.com/2n4xaw.jpg
May 13 07:52:55 <livinroom> http://i25.tinypic.com/2n4xaw.jpg
May 13 07:53:59 <KotCzarny> ssid iphone?
May 13 07:54:02 <KotCzarny> get out of here
May 13 07:54:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 07:54:18 <livinroom> lolz
May 13 07:54:19 <livinroom> why?
May 13 07:54:24 <livinroom> it's for sharing my iphone connection
May 13 07:54:27 <KotCzarny> and options you need are in access control
May 13 07:54:28 <livinroom> thats the whole reason i'm doing this
May 13 07:55:09 <livinroom> access control only has settings to input MAC addrs for connection filtering
May 13 07:57:04 <trickie> hrw: http://paste-it.net/public/fc198eb/
May 13 07:57:08 <trickie> tried that on the weekend
May 13 07:59:21 <hrw> morning
May 13 07:59:46 <hrw> thx
May 13 07:59:46 <livinroom> this damn thing is giving me fits. i'm going to bed. nite
May 13 08:02:37 <hrw> trickie: so it looks like 2.6.25 require nokia work
May 13 08:02:57 <trickie> hrw: yeah :(
May 13 08:03:14 <trickie> unless my kernel config is not correct
May 13 08:03:46 <trickie> but I don't quite understand the whole softmac stuff, and if that requires certain config options
May 13 08:04:17 <jdiaz> Hi
May 13 08:07:05 <jdiaz> melmoth: anyone knows any on-line dictionary where I can look-up how is the past form of english verbs?
May 13 08:07:54 <jdiaz> sorry for addressing to melmoth, that was not intended
May 13 08:08:05 <jdiaz> I probably hit Tab key
May 13 08:09:33 <jdiaz> anyway
May 13 08:11:32 <jdiaz> I've peeking at usbcontrol.py code, and found that it simply writes some predefined strings ("host", "peripheral", "otg") in a special file (/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode)
May 13 08:11:43 <KotCzarny> yup
May 13 08:11:49 <jdiaz> I tried to perform the same action from a shell script
May 13 08:12:00 <jdiaz> but it has to be run as root
May 13 08:12:11 <KotCzarny> yup
May 13 08:12:27 <jdiaz> however usbcontrol is run a normal user
May 13 08:12:36 <jdiaz> and it does not have the "s" bit
May 13 08:12:42 <jdiaz> how is that?
May 13 08:12:45 <KotCzarny> maybe it has some helper
May 13 08:13:01 <jdiaz> besides, I tried to chown root my script
May 13 08:13:06 <jdiaz> and chmod +s it
May 13 08:13:15 <KotCzarny> you can't +s script
May 13 08:13:18 <jdiaz> and it still doesn't work if run as a normal user
May 13 08:13:18 <KotCzarny> ie. it won't work
May 13 08:13:20 <jdiaz> oh
May 13 08:13:27 <jdiaz> so, what is the solution?
May 13 08:13:38 <KotCzarny> write a helper
May 13 08:13:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:13:49 <jdiaz> helper? do you mean in C?
May 13 08:13:50 <KotCzarny> or read sources
May 13 08:19:10 <jdiaz> Hmmm
May 13 08:19:45 <jdiaz> apparently the trick used by usbcontrol is in the usbcontrol.desktop file
May 13 08:19:54 <jdiaz> Exec=sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol
May 13 08:22:33 <jdiaz> and the .deb postinst added a line to the sudoers file
May 13 08:22:45 <jdiaz> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh
May 13 08:23:11 <jdiaz> is this good practice?
May 13 08:23:37 <KotCzarny> nokia already ignored few good practices
May 13 08:23:41 <KotCzarny> so it doesn't matter
May 13 08:23:42 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:23:57 <inz> jdiaz, well, it should allow running run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol
May 13 08:24:00 <jdiaz> but, having that line, allows me to execute anything as root
May 13 08:25:27 <KotCzarny> nope
May 13 08:25:47 <KotCzarny> no wildcards
May 13 08:25:51 <inz> Actually having only /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh allows you to run run-standalone.sh, nothing else
May 13 08:25:53 <KotCzarny> so not anything
May 13 08:25:55 <jdiaz> oh, right
May 13 08:26:24 <jdiaz> I misread the sudoers line
May 13 08:26:31 <jdiaz> I thought it was simply
May 13 08:26:41 <jdiaz> oh, waut
May 13 08:26:46 <jdiaz> I read it right
May 13 08:27:09 <jdiaz> the sudoers line allows me to execute the script run-standalone
May 13 08:27:21 <jdiaz> but this script accepts any command as parameter
May 13 08:27:32 <jdiaz> so I can do now: run-standalone.sh whatever
May 13 08:27:33 <KotCzarny> but sudo won't
May 13 08:27:37 <KotCzarny> try it
May 13 08:27:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:28:22 <jdiaz> why then does it allow to execute "run-standalone.sh usbcontrol" ?
May 13 08:28:36 <KotCzarny> <jdiaz> Exec=sudo run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol
May 13 08:28:42 <KotCzarny> erm, sorry
May 13 08:28:52 <KotCzarny> just look for that line in /etc/sudoers
May 13 08:29:15 <jdiaz> well, I've just tried:
May 13 08:29:23 <jdiaz> sudo run-standalone.sh umount /dev/mmc1
May 13 08:29:25 <jdiaz> it worked
May 13 08:29:39 <KotCzarny> i don't see your sudoers.conf
May 13 08:29:42 <KotCzarny> can't comment then
May 13 08:29:42 <jdiaz> I mean /media/mmc1
May 13 08:29:43 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:32:29 <jdiaz> I also tried
May 13 08:32:49 <jdiaz> sudo run-standalone.sh my-usb-script
May 13 08:32:52 <jdiaz> and it worked also
May 13 08:33:14 <jdiaz> so I was right, run-standalone.sh is now a workaround for sudo
May 13 08:33:42 <jdiaz> sudo run-standalone.sh whatever would run whatever with root permissions, without asking me a password
May 13 08:37:27 <jdiaz> I have to tell this to konttori
May 13 08:37:36 <jdiaz> the proper sudoers line should have been
May 13 08:37:50 <jdiaz> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol.py
May 13 08:48:45 <jdiaz> the sudoers.conf is modified by usbcontrol*.deb
May 13 08:48:51 <jdiaz> and a line is added
May 13 08:48:58 <jdiaz> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh
May 13 08:49:17 <jdiaz> but it should be
May 13 08:49:21 <jdiaz> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/usbcontrol.py
May 13 08:49:23 <jdiaz> imho
May 13 08:53:12 <jdiaz> another question. Yesterday, I put my n810 in host mode, and plugged a SD card reader. After a while, the card got mounted, but then the tablet got irresponsive
May 13 08:53:32 <johnx> metalayer crawler going crazy maybe?
May 13 08:53:36 <johnx> what was on the card?
May 13 08:53:54 <jdiaz> the screen blanked (in an unusual way, as if it were fading out from left to right)
May 13 08:53:57 <jdiaz> and the tablet rebooted
May 13 08:54:00 <johnx> O_o
May 13 08:54:07 <johnx> power spike maybe?
May 13 08:54:10 <KotCzarny> maybe swap
May 13 08:54:11 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:54:20 <jdiaz> I don't think so, johnx, I deactivated metalayer-crawler
May 13 08:54:36 <jdiaz> I repeated, and the same occured again
May 13 08:54:39 <jdiaz> three times
May 13 08:54:45 <jdiaz> then I stopped trying :-)
May 13 08:54:51 <KotCzarny> do you have swap on?
May 13 08:54:52 <johnx> the way you describe that unusual fadeout makes me think too much power demand from the card reader after a while
May 13 08:54:55 <jdiaz> no
May 13 08:55:06 <jdiaz> johnx, that was I thought too
May 13 08:55:22 <johnx> similar things can happen on my zaurus under too much power load
May 13 08:55:42 <jdiaz> I should try again through a self-powered hub
May 13 08:57:31 <jdiaz> But supposedly, the tablet should deactivate the usb device if it detects too much power consumption...
May 13 08:57:49 <johnx> did you have wifi on and screen bright?
May 13 08:58:02 <johnx> was battery mostly charged or getting low?
May 13 08:58:12 <jdiaz> I don't remember about wifi, but the screen was dim
May 13 08:58:25 <jdiaz> about the battery, it was charging at that moment
May 13 08:58:27 <johnx> I don't know then
May 13 08:58:31 <jdiaz> and it was mostly exhausted
May 13 08:58:39 <johnx> hmm
May 13 08:58:50 <johnx> might be worth trying with a fullish battery just to rule that out
May 13 08:59:19 <jdiaz> Well, I can try now. The battery indicator reports me 5 hours of use
May 13 08:59:26 <johnx> good luck
May 13 08:59:32 <jdiaz> :)
May 13 08:59:34 <johnx> and remember to run sync first
May 13 09:01:17 <jdiaz> :(
May 13 09:01:20 <jdiaz> same behaviour
May 13 09:01:31 <jdiaz> this time, was even faster
May 13 09:01:57 <jdiaz> the hanging occured even before the card got mounted
May 13 09:02:01 <jdiaz> just after inserting it
May 13 09:03:16 <jdiaz> trying again with self-powered hub
May 13 09:03:24 <solmumaha> jdiaz: are you using usbcontrol?
May 13 09:04:17 <solmumaha> friend of mine had similar issues when he tried to use ntfs-3g, switching to usb-otg-plugin fixed it
May 13 09:04:45 <jdiaz> :( same behaviour again...
May 13 09:04:55 <jdiaz> so the card reader is unusable...
May 13 09:05:05 <jdiaz> however, it works in my ubuntu desktop
May 13 09:05:15 <jdiaz> solmumaha, yes I'm using usbcontrol
May 13 09:05:34 <jdiaz> usb-otg-plugin?
May 13 09:05:53 <solmumaha> you can find it from garage
May 13 09:06:58 <solmumaha> install, enable and maybe reboot just in case
May 13 09:08:37 <jdiaz> Hmm... I'm reading usb-otg-plugin source code
May 13 09:08:49 <jdiaz> it doesn't do any different than usbcontrol...
May 13 09:09:09 <jdiaz> it opens /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode
May 13 09:09:16 <jdiaz> and writes the string "host" on it
May 13 09:09:22 <solmumaha> i know, that's why it was odd that it worked better
May 13 09:09:26 <jdiaz> the same can be done even from command line, with an echo
May 13 09:09:58 <lardman> morning all
May 13 09:10:13 <solmumaha> but it's also more handy than running a separate python app just for that
May 13 09:14:06 <jdiaz> oops... things are getting worse..
May 13 09:14:17 <jdiaz> now my tablet rebooted even without inserting the SD card
May 13 09:14:30 <jdiaz> Only the hub was connected
May 13 09:14:52 <jdiaz> and, 5 min after putting the tablet in host mode, it rebooted
May 13 09:17:09 <jdiaz> after putting the tablet in host mode, the reported status was a_suspend. Is this normal?
May 13 09:17:32 <jdiaz> shouldn't be a_suspend status only for otg?
May 13 09:17:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 13 09:20:45 <jdiaz> solmumaha: this is incredible...
May 13 09:21:06 <jdiaz> usb-otg-plugin apparently solved the problem!
May 13 09:21:06 <lardman> hi Jaffa, how was your Java conf?
May 13 09:21:27 <solmumaha> jdiaz: told ya!
May 13 09:21:28 <solmumaha> :)
May 13 09:21:38 <jdiaz> the card got mounted, and (until now) the tablet did not reboot
May 13 09:22:28 <jdiaz> hummm
May 13 09:22:39 <jdiaz> and now, ,the reported status is "host"
May 13 09:22:44 <jdiaz> while before was "a_suspend"
May 13 09:27:57 <Khertan> Hi !
May 13 09:29:47 <jdiaz> definitely solved. I was browsing the card and copying files without problem
May 13 09:29:57 <jdiaz> thank you solmumaha
May 13 09:30:24 <jdiaz> Now about usb keyboards :-)
May 13 09:30:31 <solmumaha> np
May 13 09:30:39 <jdiaz> do you know some portable usb keyboard?
May 13 09:30:51 <jdiaz> I do not mean foldable, but at least not too big
May 13 09:31:10 <jdiaz> I was searching, but without much result
May 13 09:31:26 <glass> laptop kb size usb keyboards are pretty common
May 13 09:31:50 <solmumaha> i guess the new apple keyboard isn't huge
May 13 09:32:04 <solmumaha> but prolly not the smallest either
May 13 09:32:56 <jdiaz> glass, not at the stores in my town. I guess I should go a buy one through internet
May 13 09:33:18 <glass> jdiaz: the stores over here have em..
May 13 09:33:33 <jdiaz> what abouth those flexible (membrane) keyboards? Are they too uncomfortable?
May 13 09:33:47 <glass> i'd say they suck
May 13 09:33:58 <glass> and the projected laser thing too
May 13 09:34:13 <glass> proper buttons are proper buttons..
May 13 09:34:18 <jdiaz> yes, the laser is even worse
May 13 09:34:59 <johnx> I have this: http://www.bestgate.net/keyboard_aotech_aok88ups.html
May 13 09:35:19 <johnx> but there's other stuff on ITT that people have had luck with
May 13 09:35:25 <jdiaz> btw, I plugged a usb keyboard with spanish layout, and had to tell the tablet about it under the "bluetooth keyboard" configuration
May 13 09:35:48 <jdiaz> and I have to reconfigure this setting every time I plug it
May 13 09:35:59 <jdiaz> is there some way to automate this configuration?
May 13 09:36:40 <jdiaz> any CLI command?
May 13 09:37:22 <johnx> for layout?
May 13 09:37:32 <johnx> maybe there's a gconf key?
May 13 09:38:39 <jdiaz> I'll search
May 13 09:39:08 <johnx> ah, I think dealextreme might list small keyboards too
May 13 09:39:23 <johnx> you can look there, find something reasonable, and buy somewhere else if you want :)
May 13 09:41:23 <KotCzarny> and wait 2 weeks for a delivery from hong kong
May 13 09:41:24 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 09:41:46 <johnx> which is why I said find something there and buy somewhere else...
May 13 09:41:59 <johnx> unless you live in Hong Kong, then it should be rather quick :)
May 13 09:42:05 <KotCzarny> or china
May 13 09:42:08 <KotCzarny> i don't remember exactly
May 13 09:42:18 <johnx> Hong Kong sounds right
May 13 09:42:19 <KotCzarny> i'm still waiting for a usb sound card
May 13 09:42:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 09:42:28 <KotCzarny> *an
May 13 09:42:55 <jdiaz> thanks, johnx
May 13 09:49:42 <nrktk> hi
May 13 09:53:42 <glass> http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/478  anyone tried that with nits?
May 13 09:55:40 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=142581&postcount=42
May 13 09:55:46 <jdiaz> doesn't seems much more comfortable than the n810 built-in keyboard :-)
May 13 10:00:04 <jdiaz> is it possible to compile for maemo applications which require motif/lesstif?
May 13 10:00:11 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 10:00:13 <jdiaz> I'm trying to compile xpdf
May 13 10:00:26 <jdiaz> ./configure complains about lacking motif
May 13 10:00:34 <KotCzarny> then compile motif too
May 13 10:00:39 <KotCzarny> or lesstif
May 13 10:01:56 <jdiaz> apt-cache search motif/lesstif only lists libxt6
May 13 10:02:28 <jdiaz> xpdf also complains about freefont, but I have the package (and the development version) installed
May 13 10:03:59 <KotCzarny> bed time, bye people
May 13 10:04:00 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 10:04:16 <jdiaz> gnight
May 13 10:05:15 <lardman> doesn't the built in pdf viewer use xpdf as the backend?
May 13 10:05:24 <jdiaz> dunno
May 13 10:05:28 <jdiaz> probably yes...
May 13 10:05:49 <jdiaz> I installed evince, because I read it was far superior to the builtin one, but I was disappointed
May 13 10:05:54 <lardman> I seem to remember seeing that; might be worth updating its backend rather than recompiling using motif
May 13 10:05:57 <jdiaz> in fact, it is slower
May 13 10:06:14 <jdiaz> so I was searching for alternatives
May 13 10:07:34 <jdiaz> as for the built-in pdf reader, it is ok, but the gui have some misfeatures which bother me
May 13 10:07:55 <lardman> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ the source is there
May 13 10:08:00 <lardman> add patches, etc.
May 13 10:08:07 <jdiaz> for example, after I zoom to a level in which the printed area fits horizontally the screen
May 13 10:08:21 <jdiaz> and use the horizontal scrollbar to put the whole text in view
May 13 10:08:28 <jdiaz> I can use space to scroll down
May 13 10:08:46 <jdiaz> but when the end-of-page is reached and a new page loaded, the horizontal scroll is reset to the left
May 13 10:08:55 <jdiaz> forcing me to fine-tuning it again
May 13 10:09:38 <jdiaz> why doesn't it remembers the horizontal position across pages?
May 13 10:09:47 <lardman> looks like it's based on Xpdf 3.00 (Jan 2004)
May 13 10:09:56 <lardman> is there nothing later than that?
May 13 10:09:56 <jdiaz> I think I could patch that
May 13 10:10:18 <jdiaz> Xpdf 3.02pl2 was released 2007-nov-07
May 13 10:10:21 <lardman> might as well, and add your patches to the bug tracker as enhancements. Best way to get features added
May 13 10:24:04 <gpd> Does anyone have an opinion on the Nokia E51? I am considering purchasing...
May 13 10:24:33 <glass> it's ok
May 13 10:24:38 <glass> how much would you pay?
May 13 10:24:51 <gpd> Now it is online SIM free for 189 GBP.
May 13 10:25:13 <glass> gpd: how much for 6120 classic? it's a fresher phone, about same specs
May 13 10:25:26 <glass> and about same form factor
May 13 10:25:28 <gpd> That one is 155 GBP I think
May 13 10:25:40 <glass> i'd rather get that one myself
May 13 10:25:52 <gpd> battery life reviews are bad on that - otherwise looks good. no wifi but I guess I can use the N800 for that
May 13 10:26:09 <gpd> just want BT2 and HSDPA to tether to the N800
May 13 10:26:18 <glass> http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E51 vs http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6120_classic
May 13 10:26:30 <gpd> Samsung Soul or a Blackberry are other options... but more cash
May 13 10:26:46 <glass> oh scratch that.. get the e51
May 13 10:26:46 <gpd> excellent links - thanks
May 13 10:26:53 <glass> much more ram
May 13 10:27:17 <glass> i remembered that e51 wouldn't have been fp1..
May 13 10:27:27 <gpd> Anything else I should consider?
May 13 10:27:44 <glass> not in that price range afaik
May 13 10:27:57 <glass> n81 maybe.. it's been pretty cheap lately too
May 13 10:28:04 <gpd> what about higher prices? N95 I guess... but that is a brick
May 13 10:28:19 <glass> yeah it's different form factor
May 13 10:28:22 <glass> i use n95 myself still
May 13 10:28:33 <glass> the firmware upgrades made a huge difference in usability
May 13 10:28:33 <gpd> recommend?
May 13 10:28:41 <gpd> i would wait for the N96 in that case
May 13 10:28:46 <glass> i wouldnt
May 13 10:28:50 <glass> n96 is different hw
May 13 10:28:54 <gpd> ok
May 13 10:29:00 <glass> no 3d in hw nor video outut(iirc)
May 13 10:29:12 <glass> when compared to n95's
May 13 10:29:29 <glass> n95 8gb is maybe what i'd ask for now
May 13 10:29:32 <gpd> hmm N81 8GB is 270 GBP...
May 13 10:29:36 <glass> it has more ram than the classic
May 13 10:29:55 <glass> anyways, forum.nokia is much better for the specs than the consumer site
May 13 10:30:05 <gpd> ok - thanks glass will continue looking :)
May 13 10:30:26 <glass> n95 has also acceleration sensors if you're into hacking to that kind of stuff
May 13 10:31:37 <glass> i recommend to going someplace where they have them on display
May 13 10:31:37 <glass> because button placement and such is higly matter of taste
May 13 10:32:47 <gpd> yeah - very true. cheers.
May 13 11:13:31 <johnx> rm_you, mpd works right in debian now :D
May 13 11:13:47 <rm_you> :P
May 13 11:13:48 <rm_you> wait
May 13 11:13:57 <rm_you> mpd < --- > sound
May 13 11:13:58 <johnx> yes
May 13 11:13:59 <rm_you> ?
May 13 11:14:14 <johnx> mpd plays nicely on debian/n800 even during high load
May 13 11:14:19 <johnx> yes, sound
May 13 11:14:21 <rm_you> !!
May 13 11:14:29 <johnx> speakers, headphones, the whole deal
May 13 11:14:31 <rm_you> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 13 11:14:49 <johnx> I'll release something "real soon now" (TM)
May 13 11:14:57 <rm_you> how/when/where/who/why/which/HUH!?
May 13 11:15:07 <johnx> hopefully before the next time I sleep
May 13 11:15:15 <rm_you> sound == how?
May 13 11:15:26 <johnx> stolen libs from OS2008 :/
May 13 11:15:36 <rm_you> <_<
May 13 11:15:38 <rm_you> ^_^
May 13 11:15:57 <johnx> yeah, I don't much care *how* it works either, only that it *does work*
May 13 11:16:00 <johnx> and it sounds fine
May 13 11:16:04 <rm_you> :)
May 13 11:16:07 <rm_you> a2dp? :P
May 13 11:16:22 <johnx> got that working a long time ago in debian
May 13 11:16:26 <rm_you> ...
May 13 11:16:27 <johnx> but it had *really high* cpu usage
May 13 11:16:27 <lardman> johnx: you got the DSP running then?
May 13 11:16:32 <rm_you> without sound?
May 13 11:16:33 <rm_you> >_>
May 13 11:16:52 <rm_you> johnx: well, i'll install debian again in a bit then :P
May 13 11:16:57 <johnx> rm_you, uhm...a2dp doesn't depend on the "system" sound at all
May 13 11:16:57 <rm_you> I think i formatted the card... lol
May 13 11:17:01 <johnx> lardman, yup.
May 13 11:17:09 <lardman> good good
May 13 11:17:11 <johnx> just a matter of copying lots of stuff
May 13 11:17:15 <rm_you> so... i could have played music on debian a long time ago if i used my BT headphones!? :P
May 13 11:17:37 <johnx> *after* I release this I'll make a nice big one shot script for arbitrary "other" distro support
May 13 11:17:55 <johnx> rm_you, yeah, but the CPU usage was 80%+
May 13 11:17:56 <rm_you> <3
May 13 11:18:01 <rm_you> glad I got my n800 working again
May 13 11:18:10 <johnx> so it's reliable/stable again now?
May 13 11:18:14 <johnx> what did you do? hit it?
May 13 11:18:14 <rm_you> somewhat
May 13 11:18:25 <rm_you> i think the flash memory is corrupted towards the last bits
May 13 11:18:29 <johnx> O_o
May 13 11:18:30 <johnx> scary
May 13 11:18:32 <rm_you> so as long as I keep it below like 90% full
May 13 11:18:35 <rm_you> nothing bad happens
May 13 11:18:46 <lardman> rm_you, johnx: any ideas which bluez release these fabled sbc optimisations are in?
May 13 11:18:49 <johnx> you should find a jffs2 or mtd tool for marking those
May 13 11:18:51 <rm_you> the problem always shows up after I install stuff and fill up the drive
May 13 11:18:56 <rm_you> johnx: yeah :/
May 13 11:19:13 <johnx> lardman, no idea here...but I might read through the changelog later and see where it pops up
May 13 11:19:18 <rm_you> lardman: been out of the loop too long, sorry :(
May 13 11:19:25 <rm_you> but now that I have n800ness again... :P
May 13 11:19:49 <lardman> I'm just looking for a changelog in the cvs now
May 13 11:20:07 <johnx> they're up to 3.31 now?!
May 13 11:20:12 <johnx> when the did that happen?
May 13 11:20:31 <lardman> what version are we running?
May 13 11:20:51 <lardman> ver 3.29: Add more SBC optimizations.
May 13 11:21:18 <johnx> 3.28 too :)
May 13 11:21:23 <rm_you> every update since 3.20 has had SBC optimizations >_>
May 13 11:21:29 <johnx> we're on like 2.24, right?
May 13 11:21:38 <lardman> ver 3.16: Add GStreamer plugin with SBC decoder and encoder.
May 13 11:21:56 <lardman> just needs to be plumbed into the default player
May 13 11:22:07 <rm_you> :P
May 13 11:22:24 <johnx> nm, 3.28 in diablo
May 13 11:22:41 <johnx> wasn't it 2.xx in chinook though?
May 13 11:22:41 <lardman> we're on 3.20
May 13 11:22:59 <lardman> in Chinook, at least that's what's in the pool
May 13 11:23:10 <johnx> ah, ok, I'm just confused obviously
May 13 11:24:35 <rm_you> i see 3.22 possibly?
May 13 11:24:36 <lardman> 3.28 in Diablo should be a reasonably improvement
May 13 11:25:03 <johnx> and should be possible to upgrade "unofficially" without too much pain
May 13 11:25:39 * rm_you does a clean a2dp setup on his machine
May 13 11:27:49 <lardman> If anyone is running Diablo, I'd be interested to hear what the CPU useage is when doing a2dp
May 13 11:27:58 <lardman> or is that what you're doing rm_you?
May 13 11:28:20 <rm_you> not on diablo yet
May 13 11:28:25 <johnx> lardman, gah...booted into debian right now, hacking
May 13 11:28:27 <rm_you> i'm being nice to my just recently working n800
May 13 11:28:28 <johnx> I'll check later
May 13 11:28:43 <lardman> johnx: thanks
May 13 11:28:57 <johnx> rm_you, so why do you think it was only rebooting when you moved it?
May 13 11:29:22 <rm_you> no idea? *maybe* coincidence all 8000 times i tested that theory?
May 13 11:29:43 <rm_you> maybe I fixed part of the problem when i disassembled the whole thing and dusted all the connectors and reassembled? :/
May 13 11:30:14 <johnx> uhm yeah, right...anyways for problems with your flash it should be totally possible to mark those as "bad"
May 13 11:31:22 <rm_you> lol johnx, i love your popup :P
May 13 11:31:26 <rm_you> "rock on" :P
May 13 11:31:35 <johnx> there is *no* other option :D
May 13 11:32:03 <johnx> it is only a matter of how long the user waits before choosing to "rock on!"
May 13 11:32:14 <rm_you> hrm
May 13 11:32:25 <rm_you> its playing perfectly thru mplayer with my videos...
May 13 11:32:36 <rm_you> i thought i was supposed to need to change some cpu setting :/
May 13 11:33:17 <lardman> a2dp?
May 13 11:33:22 <rm_you> yes
May 13 11:33:37 <lardman> no, just that it uses more cpu to encode, so you might run out if you have complex videos to decode too
May 13 11:33:47 <rm_you> these videos are *complex* >_>
May 13 11:33:59 <lardman> what's your cpu usage?
May 13 11:34:14 <rm_you> 90% it looks like
May 13 11:34:17 <hrw> ~curse maemo.org for lack of sensible hosting
May 13 11:34:18 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo.org for lack of sensible hosting !
May 13 11:34:21 <lardman> I should add that mp3 decoding also has to be done on the ARM for the a2dp case, so even more overhead
May 13 11:34:34 <lardman> hi hrw :)
May 13 11:35:05 <lardman> rm_you: praise to ssvb for mplayer optimisations then :)
May 13 11:35:08 <rm_you> it's just interesting because it never worked this well before right off the bat. things appear to have gotten better while i was away :P
May 13 11:35:29 <rm_you> i wonder why my first instinct is to QUESTION why things are working *well*
May 13 11:35:31 <rm_you> >_<
May 13 11:36:14 <johnx> paranoia
May 13 11:36:28 <johnx> you'll end up as a sys admin at this rate...
May 13 11:36:28 <rm_you> does canola use mplayer?
May 13 11:36:35 <johnx> for some videos
May 13 11:36:43 <johnx> it can use it for everything with the right config
May 13 11:36:46 <johnx> but I haven't tried
May 13 11:37:39 <lardman> what are the BlueZ libs called, I can't seem to find them
May 13 11:37:53 <johnx> bluez-utils and bluez-libs maybe?
May 13 11:38:22 <johnx> aaah...libbluetooth
May 13 11:38:46 <rm_you> 2
May 13 11:38:48 <lardman> 2.9.2 though
May 13 11:38:50 <rm_you> i think?
May 13 11:39:01 <rm_you> libbluetooth2
May 13 11:39:10 <johnx> rm_you, correct
May 13 11:39:14 <rm_you> we're on 3.22
May 13 11:39:23 <johnx> lardman, apt-cache policy libbluetooth2
May 13 11:39:55 <lardman> ah, ok
May 13 11:40:22 <lardman> package and lib versions are independant
May 13 11:41:11 <johnx> it's 3.28 for me in diablo, and shows 3.22 for chinook...
May 13 11:42:01 <hrw> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo - what for it is used?
May 13 11:42:39 <johnx> open source maemo stuff it looks like
May 13 11:42:57 <lardman> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/
May 13 11:44:50 <lardman> looks up to date at least. E.g. https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/ChangeLog
May 13 11:45:42 <johnx> should be
May 13 11:45:58 <hrw> ~curse maemo.org for shitty ssl cert
May 13 11:45:59 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org for shitty ssl cert !
May 13 11:48:03 <lardman> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/bluez-utils-3.9-osso4/ slightly later version
May 13 11:48:09 <grape> some serious curses your bot has...
May 13 11:52:46 <rm_you> ooo someone posted mplayer 1.0rc2 :P
May 13 11:55:05 <grape> anyone know which repo has e2fsprogs?
May 13 11:55:55 <johnx> gronmayer.com/it says: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
May 13 11:56:24 <lcuk> lardman|lunch, what time this evening?
May 13 11:56:39 <grape> sweet thanks... i had completely forgotten the name of that site
May 13 11:57:21 <johnx> yeah...doesn't exactly stick in the brain well
May 13 11:58:39 <grape> only the senseless things seem to stick
May 13 11:58:56 <lcuk> can that maemo repo be trusted?
May 13 11:59:09 <johnx> define "trusted"
May 13 11:59:31 <grape> can any of the repos be trusted?
May 13 11:59:34 <lcuk> well it sounds like a dodgy fly by night site
May 13 11:59:43 <johnx> lcuk, ahaha
May 13 11:59:57 <grape> oh that is just the maemo part of it ;-)
May 13 12:00:10 <johnx> you mean maemo.org? yeah, I agree. and who are these "Nokia" guys? never heard of them...
May 13 12:00:27 <jaska> they make rubber boots and tires?
May 13 12:00:28 <jaska> :)
May 13 12:01:05 <grape> they must be spies trying to get RPMs to work
May 13 12:01:17 <johnx> jaska, I think all the tread on mine wore down then. :/ and it barely keeps my feet dry...
May 13 12:01:50 <lcuk> then get some firestone shoes
May 13 12:01:56 <grape> lol
May 13 12:02:08 <johnx> nah, I hear they explode if you run too fast
May 13 12:02:49 <lcuk> only if you do lots of cornering - if you run in a straight line in dry weater (thats not so humid) with medium compound then you can get all the way around the world
May 13 12:03:53 <johnx> so they hydroplane so bad I could run across two oceans?
May 13 12:04:40 <lcuk> it depends on how fast you are running, i believe you have to be jogging at over 60mph to hydroplane
May 13 12:05:12 <RST38h> No no
May 13 12:05:38 <RST38h> They make tires of live fish. That is why their tires hydroplane.
May 13 12:05:45 <grape> figures
May 13 12:06:02 <RST38h> In fact, the Rabid Fish (tm) has been on Nokia's logo for ages
May 13 12:06:29 <lcuk> but fish don't scale well.  you can't exactly use trout as the basis for a (for instance) tank
May 13 12:06:47 <RST38h> Fish scales wonderfully. Them, fishes, have a LOT of scales
May 13 12:07:03 <lcuk> a beofish cluster?
May 13 12:07:26 <grape> hah clustering the 770...
May 13 12:07:29 <RST38h> you forgot "of these"
May 13 12:07:44 * lcuk hands in his geek card
May 13 12:08:02 <lcuk> IRC: talking bo**ocks since 1973
May 13 12:08:14 <grape> a cluster of 770s runs gimp better
May 13 12:08:24 <lcuk> 1 pixel at a time
May 13 12:10:26 <grape> probably a scheme to get more productivity out of those of us who's clients/bosses/wives think we should be working on other things
May 13 12:10:52 <grape> a ploy to keep those lil cpus busy
May 13 12:11:54 <lcuk> well, depending upon your cpu mode it wont be as busy as you hope
May 13 12:12:32 <rm_you> anyone know what libungif.so.4 comes with?
May 13 12:12:42 <johnx> what package?
May 13 12:12:49 <johnx> dpkg -S libungif.so.4
May 13 12:13:10 <rm_you> oo :P i always knew there needed  to be a way to do that
May 13 12:13:45 <lcuk> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102202
May 13 12:14:27 <johnx> heh...looks like Gigabytes MID is starting at $1,199AUD
May 13 12:14:36 <johnx> so much for N810 competitor
May 13 12:15:07 <lcuk> can you use real money ;) AUD doesn't parse
May 13 12:15:19 <johnx> AUstralian Dollar
May 13 12:15:28 <johnx> think .94x$1USD
May 13 12:15:39 <lcuk> 580.326095 British pounds
May 13 12:15:45 <lcuk> (give or take)
May 13 12:15:55 <RST38h> that is a smaller number indeed
May 13 12:16:06 <RST38h> but my guess is, it will be cheaper in gold ounces =)
May 13 12:16:15 <johnx> I'm sure companies will find a way to make it cost more in the UK...
May 13 12:16:26 <RST38h> VAT, sir? =)
May 13 12:16:44 <lcuk> im not VAT, im on a diet
May 13 12:16:45 <rm_you> wtf... gronmayer says libungif4g exists in the main maemo chinook repo.... but apt-get/apt-cache can't find it
May 13 12:16:59 <RST38h> which OS?
May 13 12:17:13 <rm_you> chinook
May 13 12:17:14 <johnx> rm_you, you need the main maemo repo, not just extras
May 13 12:17:22 <lcuk> rm_you, i believe the lib* stuff is only opened up for direct install via redpill?
May 13 12:17:33 <RST38h> apt-get should pick it
May 13 12:17:36 <rm_you> wait... i think johnx is right
May 13 12:17:38 <rm_you> but... WHAT?!
May 13 12:17:41 <lcuk> ok
May 13 12:17:56 <rm_you> why does it include extras by default but not the main repo :/
May 13 12:17:56 * lcuk is still learning
May 13 12:18:08 <lcuk> isdoes redpill just remove the filter from the GUI list then
May 13 12:18:16 <johnx> because you already have everything in the main repo that you need
May 13 12:18:28 <johnx> and/or "Nokia moves in mysterious ways."
May 13 12:18:45 <johnx> kind of a strange lurching, flailing motion
May 13 12:18:51 <grape> lol
May 13 12:19:02 <rm_you> gah
May 13 12:19:11 <rm_you> so it wants to REMOVE osso-software-version >_>
May 13 12:19:11 <lcuk> which is still miles ahead of lots of other companies :)
May 13 12:19:17 <johnx> also, not everything in that repo is "safe"
May 13 12:19:21 <rm_you> that's just apt-get -f install
May 13 12:19:55 <lcuk> back later
May 13 12:19:57 <rm_you> is it ok to let it do that?
May 13 12:20:26 <trickie> rm_you: IIRC there  are side affects... cannot remember what though
May 13 12:21:02 <trickie> so unless you have the skills to restore/fix it i would get a second opinion first
May 13 12:21:05 <johnx> rm_you, why does it want to remove osso-software-version
May 13 12:21:10 <johnx> ?
May 13 12:21:21 <rm_you> ah
May 13 12:21:31 <rm_you> it's the osso-xterm that i installed
May 13 12:21:40 <rm_you> the maemo-hackers edition
May 13 12:25:18 <rm_you> johnx: wow, this guy's mplayer1.0rc2 compile works very well
May 13 12:25:28 <johnx> cool
May 13 12:25:36 <rm_you> xv seems to work much better
May 13 12:25:41 <rm_you> and it comes with mencoder %_%
May 13 12:25:44 <rm_you> ^_^
May 13 12:25:50 <johnx> fun
May 13 12:32:10 <rm_you> and i guess serge is going to look into importing the rc2 stuff into the official build soon
May 13 12:32:56 * Navi dies
May 13 12:33:08 <johnx> Navi, got mpd working right!
May 13 12:33:16 <johnx> did you just sleep for like 4 hours?
May 13 12:33:22 <Navi> awsum
May 13 12:33:28 <Navi> Yep
May 13 12:33:58 <Navi> I'm a college student, so I'm used to it
May 13 12:33:58 <johnx> but broke X, will have that back up momentarily, then I should release after that...unless I can think of some other reason to hold off
May 13 12:34:11 <johnx> well, me too...but I don't do it on purpose...
May 13 12:34:26 <Navi> I woke up with no alarms
May 13 12:34:28 <Navi> :P
May 13 12:34:30 <rm_you> isn't sleeping today
May 13 12:34:37 <rm_you> err
May 13 12:34:42 <rm_you> that was supposed to be an emote.
May 13 12:34:46 <rm_you> yeah. i'm tired >_<
May 13 12:34:49 <Navi> :D
May 13 12:34:58 <grape> plenty of time to sleep when you are dead ;-)
May 13 12:35:03 <Navi> Indeed
May 13 12:35:15 <johnx> sleep is for the weak
May 13 12:35:23 <johnx> ...and coffee is for me
May 13 12:35:41 <Navi> hehe
May 13 12:35:44 <grape> mmm coffee
May 13 12:36:15 <rm_you> mmm can't wait to go to beth's again
May 13 12:36:23 <rm_you> on the subject of coffee :P
May 13 12:36:30 <grape> so is debian on the n800 chroot only, or can it boot?
May 13 12:36:36 <johnx> it boots
May 13 12:36:39 <grape> w00t
May 13 12:36:59 <johnx> it has sound, touchscreen, usb and n810 keyboard support, and 10,000+ packages
May 13 12:37:04 <Navi> is wifi working?
May 13 12:37:08 <johnx> of course
May 13 12:37:11 <Navi> k
May 13 12:37:14 <grape> oh baby!
May 13 12:37:16 <johnx> I wouldn't bother releasing if it didn't
May 13 12:37:20 <rm_you> is the vkb easier to use than the old one?
May 13 12:37:21 <johnx> it worked in january
May 13 12:37:21 <trickie> johnx: sounds awesome well done
May 13 12:37:26 <johnx> rm_you, nah, it's the same
May 13 12:37:38 <rm_you> :/
May 13 12:37:42 <johnx> someone will have to poke at that for me *hint*hint*
May 13 12:37:42 <rm_you> BT keyboard support?
May 13 12:37:54 <johnx> rm_you, should be the same support as debian
May 13 12:38:00 <Navi> HAHAHA CUZ YOU POKE AT KEYBOARDS
May 13 12:38:01 <johnx> I have no way to test of course
May 13 12:38:03 <Navi> GUD JOKE
May 13 12:38:12 <johnx> O_o
May 13 12:38:17 * Navi shrugs
May 13 12:38:18 <johnx> unintended pun :P
May 13 12:38:21 <rm_you> o_O
May 13 12:38:34 <grape> i'll install it after I make some coffee :-D
May 13 12:38:48 <Navi> Black, no sugar or cream?
May 13 12:38:53 <johnx> gimme a couple hours to clean it, then I'll need to find a lucky mirror
May 13 12:38:55 <Navi> cuz I could use some too
May 13 12:39:02 <rm_you> johnx: I can mirror it
May 13 12:39:04 <Navi> megaupload?
May 13 12:39:11 <Navi> I have a megaupload account :o
May 13 12:39:13 <johnx> rm_you, you have space now?
May 13 12:39:26 <rm_you> the ACM account I use for my debs has no quota >_>
May 13 12:39:34 <Navi> awesome
May 13 12:39:40 <Navi> johnx, how big is it?
May 13 12:39:55 <johnx> unpacked it's just short of a gig
May 13 12:39:58 <johnx> maybe 800MB
May 13 12:40:03 <Navi> god damn man
May 13 12:40:10 <Navi> Why is it so big?
May 13 12:40:17 <grape> i have some space for a mirror as well if you like
May 13 12:40:18 <rm_you> it's a full debian system? :/
May 13 12:40:23 <johnx> well it's a whole $*&%ing debian+xfce desktop install
May 13 12:40:43 <Navi> rm_you, a basic netinstall can fit in less than four hundred megs :/
May 13 12:40:50 <rm_you> i might be able to trim that down a lot actually
May 13 12:40:53 <Navi> with X and light WM
May 13 12:40:57 <rm_you> i have a LOT of experience with that from making liveCDs
May 13 12:40:57 <johnx> yeah, it can be trimmed
May 13 12:41:04 <johnx> synaptic pulls in gnome stuff
May 13 12:41:10 <Navi> >_>
May 13 12:41:18 <johnx> not *a lot* of gnome stuff
May 13 12:41:24 <johnx> I was sensible to a certain extent
May 13 12:41:29 <johnx> but I want this to be usable out of the box
May 13 12:41:36 <rm_you> well, if you get it somewhere to start, I can DL and set up the mirror
May 13 12:41:42 <Navi> staying awake for quim later?
May 13 12:41:43 <johnx> I'll do a minimalist release later if enough people ask
May 13 12:41:54 <johnx> Navi, of course...what time is that?
May 13 12:42:04 <rm_you> oh when is quim's thing today?
May 13 12:42:13 <Navi> duuuhhh... hmm...
May 13 12:42:21 <trickie> 6 hours from now
May 13 12:42:22 <trickie> ish
May 13 12:42:38 <trickie> 10pm helsinki time IIRC
May 13 12:42:39 <Navi> Just idle in the channel he's going to be in
May 13 12:42:45 <Navi> whatever channel it was
May 13 12:42:52 <rm_you> damn, i have a presentation right then >_>
May 13 12:43:05 <Navi> Aw
May 13 12:43:46 <Navi> Ooh, Linuxtag coming up in a few weeks
May 13 12:44:07 <rm_you> i really want to go to something like one of those events :/
May 13 12:44:11 <rm_you> someday <_<
May 13 12:44:36 <rm_you> maybe if they do one in Seattle or nearby :P
May 13 12:44:43 <Navi> I've been to a few comic cons, but that's all
May 13 12:44:49 <johnx> whew, X11 works again
May 13 12:44:49 <Navi> They're full of weird people :P
May 13 12:44:53 <rm_you> lol
May 13 12:44:57 <johnx> hopefully it won't be as sensitive to upgrades now
May 13 12:45:04 * rm_you is one of the weird people at anime cons
May 13 12:45:14 <Navi> >_>
May 13 12:45:15 <johnx> I went to a sci-fi con once...weirder than an anime con
May 13 12:45:24 <johnx> mostly because it was all older adults
May 13 12:45:28 <rm_you> lol
May 13 12:45:34 <rm_you> instead of jailbait? <_<
May 13 12:45:35 <johnx> fans of anything in general are scary
May 13 12:45:53 <grape> minimalist release eh? it would mean I would have no packages to remove on my flight this week!
May 13 12:45:55 <Navi> Are you sure? I had a few Naruto fanboys/girls attack me after I said Naruto sucked
May 13 12:46:13 <grape> lol
May 13 12:46:17 <rm_you> seems like anime cons these days are 50% 12-18 year olds
May 13 12:46:25 <grape> that's one way to get famous
May 13 12:46:55 <Navi> Get attacked by people trying to do sexy jitsu?
May 13 12:47:56 <grape> lol
May 13 12:48:43 <Navi> One of my friends has friends who are huge anime/manga fans
May 13 12:48:58 <Navi> he opened his trunk once
May 13 12:49:04 <glass> the people who go to cons are generally kids/teens
May 13 12:49:09 <Navi> there's a small collection of manga in there :P
May 13 12:49:32 <Navi> He tells me he doesn't read it, just buy it
May 13 12:49:36 <johnx> glass, except sci-fi cons where it's mostly older adults...
May 13 12:49:36 <Navi> I know better, of course.
May 13 12:49:47 <Navi> glass, what about Linux cons?
May 13 12:49:47 <glass> johnx: hehe
May 13 12:49:56 <glass> well scifi and linux cons are mainly old men then
May 13 12:50:09 <johnx> linux cons seem like they might be more fun
May 13 12:50:17 <johnx> it's largely people who...actually do something
May 13 12:50:24 <glass> i just go to demoscene events every now and then
May 13 12:50:28 <Navi> A lot of technology conventions are for adults :P
May 13 12:50:45 <glass> and then through work to some tech days and stuff like that
May 13 12:52:33 <Navi> What was the channel Quim was going to be in again?
May 13 12:52:38 <Navi> #maemo-something :P
May 13 12:52:46 <hrw> #maemo-meeting
May 13 12:53:08 <Navi> mmk
May 13 12:53:27 <johnx> hrw, have some things you're going to ask?
May 13 12:54:32 <hrw> johnx: 1. will maemo core provide list of maemo components with their open/close status + reasons for each component why it is closed
May 13 12:55:00 <rm_you> i *still* want to know why the backlight applet is closed >_>
May 13 12:55:11 <hrw> johnx: 2. will Diablo allow to install i18n/l10n stuff without 3rd party hacks like ukeyboard
May 13 12:55:24 <hrw> johnx: those two are most important
May 13 12:55:35 <Navi> rm_you, eh
May 13 12:55:40 <hrw> johnx: as this also cover dsme, bme, umac etc
May 13 12:55:51 <johnx> hrw, I agree. I'm looking forward to their answers.
May 13 12:55:57 <rm_you> or the status of fully officially supported a2dp they keep claiming they're working on
May 13 12:56:19 <johnx> rm_you, not in diablo seems to be the answer
May 13 12:56:25 <rm_you> :/
May 13 12:56:27 <grape> but if you give away all your secrets, you aren't cool any more!
May 13 12:56:39 * rm_you still wants an a2dp DSP driver
May 13 12:57:02 <rm_you> I still kinda want to try that as a thesis project
May 13 12:57:14 * hrw wants to remove 'maemo is opensource' from all pages in internet
May 13 12:57:24 <rm_you> 1.5 years of study, coding, testing and then a bunch of whitepapers
May 13 12:57:28 <lopz> hola
May 13 12:57:46 <rm_you> i think i could do it
May 13 12:57:57 <rm_you> plus i'd make the department buy me an n810 :P
May 13 12:57:59 <grape> funny that debian goes on there so nicely
May 13 12:58:12 <johnx> it was a PITA at times
May 13 12:58:13 <Navi> hrw, it's better than "S60 is open" :P
May 13 12:58:16 <hrw> grape: as long as few binaries from maemo initfs are running?
May 13 12:58:24 <hrw> Navi: I do not have device with s60
May 13 12:58:32 <hrw> but I do have two devices with maemo
May 13 12:58:39 <grape> johnx: it wouldn't be fun if it weren't a PITA once in a while
May 13 12:58:45 <hrw> and can not use other system without using maemo components
May 13 12:58:48 <glass> Navi: yeah.. the way s60 is locked with capabilities currently sucks big time..
May 13 12:58:49 <johnx> yeah, but this is a PITA for stupid reasons
May 13 12:58:58 <Navi> Yeah, but Nokia markets S60 being open >_>
May 13 12:59:03 <glass> yeah :\
May 13 12:59:23 <glass> major pita to find right guys to get manufacturer caps and shit
May 13 12:59:29 <Navi> Their definition of open is pretty loose
May 13 12:59:52 <grape> that seems to be in vogue these days
May 13 13:00:02 * glass should be submitting some stuff for symbiansigning atm...
May 13 13:00:03 <grape> "pretty much" open
May 13 13:00:13 <kaatis> you can code in 'Open C' ;)
May 13 13:00:19 <grape> "except for the juicy bits" open
May 13 13:00:26 <johnx> and I'd like to see maemo on other devices, to stop the fracturing of handheld linux...
May 13 13:00:40 <Navi> fracturing is fun
May 13 13:00:49 <hrw> openvoid main() { openprintf("hello world\n"); openreturn 1}?
May 13 13:00:50 <Navi> Reinvent the wheel, sixty billion times
May 13 13:00:51 <johnx> yeah...it's aaaawesome
May 13 13:01:16 <hrw> johnx: I do not like to see maemo on other devices. it is limiting, it is closed, it is nokia
May 13 13:01:24 <derf> An openvoid can have the value 1?
May 13 13:01:36 <Navi> Hi cmarcelo
May 13 13:01:41 <johnx> well, if it were a little more open it would be fine, iMNSHO
May 13 13:01:42 <glass> kaatis: haha.. open c is one of the shittiestly marketed developing libraries ever. 99% of people misunderstand what it should be used for
May 13 13:01:57 <Navi> in my not so honest opinion?
May 13 13:01:59 <Navi> :P
May 13 13:02:02 <johnx> heh
May 13 13:02:05 <johnx> humble
May 13 13:02:09 <grape> lol
May 13 13:02:11 <Navi> Ah
May 13 13:03:59 <cmarcelo> Navi: hello :-)
May 13 13:04:56 <Navi> cmarcelo, gunna be in with the Quim thing?
May 13 13:10:17 <lcuk> i still dunno what time this meeting is meant to start
May 13 13:11:00 <johnx> 10PM helsinki time
May 13 13:11:07 <Navi> yeah
May 13 13:11:15 <johnx> info: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/
May 13 13:11:22 <Navi> Which is either +12 or +13
May 13 13:11:27 <Navi> er
May 13 13:11:41 <Navi> >_>
May 13 13:12:04 <Navi> 4:11PM in Helsinki right now
May 13 13:12:30 <johnx> gah
May 13 13:12:41 <johnx> hopefully I'll still be coherent
May 13 13:12:49 <Navi> Coffee
May 13 13:12:51 <Navi> lots of it
May 13 13:13:26 <lcuk> thx john
May 13 13:13:32 <johnx> sure
May 13 13:16:21 <cmarcelo> Navi: not sure. but I'm asking someone from our the team to be there :-)
May 13 13:16:48 <Navi> kk
May 13 13:17:38 <johnx> after removing unnecessary stuff and cleaning up it's down to 755MB with xfce and epiphany-webkit for browsing
May 13 13:17:47 <grape> weeee
May 13 13:18:01 <Navi> :P
May 13 13:18:33 <grape> I got a 4G SD card just to put Debian on :-)
May 13 13:18:40 <johnx> great
May 13 13:18:43 <Navi> I have a 1GB card
May 13 13:18:49 <johnx> not as great
May 13 13:18:50 <MajMin7> hey
May 13 13:19:02 <lcuk> navi, thats a small one
May 13 13:19:11 <lcuk> (mind you, ive got same)
May 13 13:19:12 <Navi> I know :P
May 13 13:19:23 <MajMin7> does anyone have experience programming the N810 without using glibc?
May 13 13:19:26 <grape> autoremove works wonders
May 13 13:19:41 <johnx> it does, also cleaning out all the audio players I tested O_o
May 13 13:19:44 <MajMin7> I want to design a GPS program using pthreads and such
May 13 13:19:50 <grape> lol johnx
May 13 13:20:08 <grape> i like moc the best
May 13 13:20:20 <Navi> moc is my second favorite
May 13 13:20:48 <grape> what is your fav?
May 13 13:21:19 <RST38h> Maj: So, what is the problem?
May 13 13:22:27 <MajMin7> so
May 13 13:22:41 <MajMin7> im trying to use the GPS device and all of the example code is using glibc
May 13 13:22:47 <MajMin7> which i know nothing about
May 13 13:23:06 <MajMin7> im on a tight deadline and I just need to get data from the gps
May 13 13:23:26 <MajMin7> is there a way to register unix-style signal handler to catch coordinates?
May 13 13:23:31 <MajMin7> or must I learn how to use glibc?
May 13 13:25:53 <lcuk> MajMin7, it sounds like you are going way ott for a feasibility study, have you managed to get the gps test working ?
May 13 13:26:20 <lcuk> if not, what appears to be wrong with the example on meamo.org
May 13 13:26:34 <RST38h> Maj: you register unix style signal with signal()
May 13 13:27:48 <MajMin7> nope
May 13 13:28:06 <MajMin7> nothing works yet
May 13 13:28:21 <MajMin7> i had to stop working on this at 7pm last night though
May 13 13:28:30 <MajMin7> so im behind by a few hours
May 13 13:29:00 <MajMin7> i have pasted the code in from: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location
May 13 13:29:01 <RST38h> what are you rushing for? a school project?
May 13 13:29:03 <MajMin7> and it doesnt work
May 13 13:29:25 <MajMin7> im designing the course project for a class
May 13 13:29:40 <MajMin7> the student's begin their project at the end of the week
May 13 13:29:49 <MajMin7> and i need to implement it by then
May 13 13:30:04 <RST38h> Do they all have N800s?
May 13 13:30:11 <MajMin7> we have 21 N810s
May 13 13:30:15 <RST38h> oh
May 13 13:30:21 <MajMin7> the students know unix semantics
May 13 13:30:34 <MajMin7> most dont have experience with glibc
May 13 13:30:43 <lcuk> the signal you are listening for is not to do with glibc or pthreads or anything
May 13 13:30:57 <MajMin7> sure
May 13 13:31:01 <MajMin7> i get that
May 13 13:31:10 <RST38h> A moment.
May 13 13:31:15 <trickie> MajMin7: how do you connect the device? usb, bt ?
May 13 13:31:24 <MajMin7> im ssh-ing
May 13 13:31:48 <RST38h> Could you please do cat /dev/gpsd?
May 13 13:31:49 <MajMin7> its on our wireless network
May 13 13:32:39 <lcuk> MajMin7, one thing, make sure the gps is not in use by any other app at the time you are testing
May 13 13:32:40 <RST38h> When you cat /dev/gpsd does it show data?
May 13 13:32:49 <MajMin7> uhm
May 13 13:32:56 <MajMin7> in my scratchbox environment?
May 13 13:33:04 <RST38h> No, stupid :)
May 13 13:33:09 <RST38h> On your real device
May 13 13:33:12 <MajMin7> oh
May 13 13:33:13 <MajMin7> hang on
May 13 13:33:15 <lcuk> not unless scratchbpox can emulate gps
May 13 13:33:26 <MajMin7> oh yea
May 13 13:33:30 <MajMin7> i had tried both
May 13 13:33:32 <MajMin7> doesnt exist
May 13 13:33:32 <RST38h> The idea is to ignore whatever you have been trying to use and read cooridnates directly from /dev/gpsd
May 13 13:33:43 <MajMin7> ohhhh
May 13 13:33:57 <RST38h> And monitor that file for changes too
May 13 13:34:10 <MajMin7> ohk
May 13 13:34:17 <MajMin7> well the file doesnt exist...
May 13 13:34:33 <RST38h> A moment, let me see how gpsd is started
May 13 13:36:05 <hrw> how to loose 1.6GB of ram?
May 13 13:36:16 <johnx> run firefox
May 13 13:36:17 <hrw> svn co http://stage.maemo.org/svn/
May 13 13:36:39 <johnx> svn went crazy?
May 13 13:37:19 <hrw> johnx: yep
May 13 13:37:28 <hrw> MajMin7: use libgps?
May 13 13:37:29 <johnx> nice
May 13 13:37:37 <RST38h> MajMin: try running gpsd &
May 13 13:37:45 <hrw> johnx: good that 4GB ram was quite cheap week ago
May 13 13:37:52 <MajMin7> k
May 13 13:38:03 <RST38h> then see if the device is back there
May 13 13:39:28 <MajMin7> hmmmm
May 13 13:39:38 <MajMin7> it says that it "cant run with neither control socket nor devices"
May 13 13:40:03 <RST38h> probably need serial device name as an argument
May 13 13:40:54 <MajMin7> whats the device name?
May 13 13:41:01 <RST38h> looking it up
May 13 13:41:05 <MajMin7> ohhhhhh
May 13 13:41:57 <MajMin7> hmmm
May 13 13:42:04 <RST38h> Try /etc/init.d/gpsdriver start
May 13 13:42:04 <MajMin7> it ran when i gave it a random socket filename
May 13 13:42:08 <RST38h> and /etc/init.d/gpsdriver stop
May 13 13:42:16 <RST38h> this should do the job
May 13 13:43:40 <MajMin7> ok
May 13 13:43:47 <MajMin7> so there is definitely a gpsdriver process running
May 13 13:44:09 <MajMin7> its... /user/sbin/gpsdriver
May 13 13:44:22 <MajMin7> but the /dev/gpsd dir does not exist
May 13 13:45:02 <MajMin7> could this be because the device doesn't have sky view?  or are we not that far yet?
May 13 13:45:21 <trickie> MajMin7: its not a dir, it would be a device node, if it existed
May 13 13:45:30 <trickie> not that far yet i think
May 13 13:46:08 <MajMin7> ahhhh
May 13 13:46:09 <MajMin7> ok
May 13 13:46:12 <MajMin7> well i cant cat it
May 13 13:47:01 <trickie> how does the gps unit connect to the tablet?
May 13 13:47:24 <MajMin7> ?
May 13 13:47:40 <MajMin7> this is an N810 with a built-in gps
May 13 13:48:00 <trickie> ah ok
May 13 13:49:40 <trickie> did you have gpsd running when you tried the liblocation stuff?
May 13 13:49:56 <trickie> i don't have a n810, so probably not much help
May 13 13:50:04 <trickie> i thought you had an external gps uit
May 13 13:50:05 <trickie> unit
May 13 13:50:07 <MajMin7> uhm
May 13 13:50:07 <MajMin7> well
May 13 13:50:27 <MajMin7> i used the following two lines of code:
May 13 13:50:28 <MajMin7> LocationGPSDevice *device;
May 13 13:50:28 <MajMin7> device = g_object_new (LOCATION_TYPE_GPS_DEVICE, NULL);
May 13 13:50:46 <MajMin7> and when you create that device, it spits out a bunch of valid-looking last-use information
May 13 13:51:06 <trickie> yep, and that device pointer should have a field 'online' or something
May 13 13:51:24 <trickie> that tell you if it is connected to gpsd IIRC
May 13 13:52:19 <MajMin7> yea
May 13 13:52:25 <MajMin7> so i tried to print that field out
May 13 13:52:35 <MajMin7> device->online: Whether GPSD is connected to a GPS or not
May 13 13:52:52 <trickie> yeah that one
May 13 13:52:53 <MajMin7> i did a:  printf("device->online = %s", device->online);
May 13 13:53:08 <MajMin7> and it printed "device->online = (null)"
May 13 13:53:18 <trickie> is gpsd running?
May 13 13:53:25 <MajMin7> that's old information though
May 13 13:53:33 <MajMin7> i did that sometime yesterday morning
May 13 13:53:47 <MajMin7> im certain that gpsd was running
May 13 13:53:59 <MajMin7> it seems to always be in the background unless i kill -9 it
May 13 13:54:13 <trickie> ok
May 13 13:54:38 <trickie> IIRC there are people who have said it can take quite a while to get a fix
May 13 13:54:54 <MajMin7> right
May 13 13:55:06 <MajMin7> so what i did was open the map program and let it acquire a fix
May 13 13:55:12 <MajMin7> then, when that was working, i closed it
May 13 13:55:24 <MajMin7> figured the gps unit was up and working
May 13 13:55:28 <MajMin7> then i ran my program
May 13 13:55:33 <RST38h> btw, when you are running a map program, can you cat /dev/gpsd ?
May 13 13:55:50 <MajMin7> hmmm
May 13 13:55:53 <MajMin7> good question, RST
May 13 13:55:55 <MajMin7> let me try that
May 13 13:57:23 <MajMin7> ok
May 13 13:57:27 <MajMin7> so im sitting in my offic
May 13 13:57:29 <MajMin7> no sky view
May 13 13:57:51 <MajMin7> however
May 13 13:57:55 <MajMin7> it's trying
May 13 13:58:01 <MajMin7> actually
May 13 13:58:06 <MajMin7> lol, it says its tracking
May 13 13:58:07 <MajMin7> thats a joke
May 13 13:58:44 <MajMin7> ahhhh
May 13 13:59:21 <MajMin7> new processes are:  /usr/bin/navicore
May 13 13:59:44 <MajMin7> and /usr/libexec/navicore-navigator
May 13 13:59:54 <MajMin7> and also /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper
May 13 14:00:20 <trickie> yeah thats the app bundled by nokia - navicore (the Maps app IIRC)
May 13 14:03:01 <RST38h> is there /dev/gpsd?
May 13 14:04:06 <MajMin7> nope
May 13 14:05:44 <trickie> MajMin7: what does 'lsof' of the process id of navicore-gpsd-helper say?
May 13 14:06:38 <trickie> might have to emerge lsof, i am not sure if it is there by default
May 13 14:06:42 <trickie> pff
May 13 14:06:46 <trickie> i mean apt-get install
May 13 14:06:48 <trickie> :)
May 13 14:06:50 <MajMin7> right
May 13 14:06:58 <MajMin7> hang on.....
May 13 14:07:53 <johnx> or just look it up in /proc...
May 13 14:08:19 <trickie> yes
May 13 14:08:20 <johnx> something like ls -l /proc/$(pidof navicore)/fd/
May 13 14:08:29 <trickie> MajMin7: did you try maemo-mapper?
May 13 14:08:56 <trickie> from im reading in the archives it seems to provide a better view of what is happening on the app level
May 13 14:09:04 <trickie> never used it myself though
May 13 14:09:26 <jdiaz> I'm trying to compile osso-pdf-viewer (I plan to develop some patches for improving the reading experience)
May 13 14:09:36 <jdiaz> However, I'm unable to (compile, that is :-)
May 13 14:09:52 <MajMin7> ok
May 13 14:09:54 <jdiaz> when I run autogen.sh, I get an error
May 13 14:10:14 <jdiaz> checking for GDEPS... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2
May 13 14:10:19 <MajMin7> augh
May 13 14:10:26 <MajMin7> i keep loosing my ssh connection to my device
May 13 14:10:35 <MajMin7> so i keep doing this on the device itself
May 13 14:10:37 <MajMin7> output sucks!
May 13 14:10:46 <jdiaz> ...) were not met:
May 13 14:10:51 <jdiaz> No package 'comapp' found
May 13 14:11:03 <RST38h> "Marvel at its quad-core processor! Gasp at its one-hour battery life!"
May 13 14:11:42 <MajMin7> btw, what is maemo-mapper?
May 13 14:12:12 <fysa> that 'server' laptop catching your eye, RST38h? ;)
May 13 14:12:18 <RST38h> MajMin: Google?
May 13 14:12:20 <jdiaz> MajMin7, it is an application which downloads maps from internet and allow you to browse them, with gps support
May 13 14:12:21 <RST38h> fysa: Yep.
May 13 14:12:30 <RST38h> We are reading the same rss feed...
May 13 14:12:50 <johnx> MajMin7, a neat little map showing program that can use google maps or open streetmap and uses the GPS for location info
May 13 14:13:21 <MajMin7> ohhhh
May 13 14:13:26 <MajMin7> i downloaded the source
May 13 14:13:27 <MajMin7> thanks
May 13 14:13:31 <jdiaz> basically, it shows your location and track on maps downladed from public sources
May 13 14:13:43 <RST38h> and it does use gpsd
May 13 14:13:59 <fysa> RST38h, Google Reader shared: http://www.google.com/reader/shared/17922113735390681007
May 13 14:14:02 <nomis> hmm. Maemo-Mapper currently has problems for me communicating with the gpsd. Does anyone know anything about that?
May 13 14:14:14 <jdiaz> but it is an incredible experience to have the GPS on, and see in the screen the aerial view of the places you are travelling
May 13 14:14:21 <fysa> if you're into that sort of thing.
May 13 14:14:36 <jdiaz> because one of the sources it uses is google maps, satellite view
May 13 14:15:19 <jdiaz> nomis, I own a n810, which has built-in gps receiver, and never had any problem with maemo-mapper
May 13 14:15:27 <RST38h> jdiaz: now, we only need the bomb-with-stylus feature...
May 13 14:15:44 <jdiaz> RST38h :)
May 13 14:16:10 <jdiaz> yep, the experience is kinda spy hunter
May 13 14:16:17 <nomis> jdiaz: yeah, I have the N810 as well. But I prefer an external receiver, since the internal one not even remotely works as good.
May 13 14:16:30 <jdiaz> nomis, I know, I know... :-)
May 13 14:18:35 <jdiaz> what is the package commap? I can't find any reference to it
May 13 14:18:48 <jdiaz> and apt-cache doesn't know either
May 13 14:19:04 <jdiaz> but apparently it is required to compile osso-pdf-viewer
May 13 14:24:53 <|newbie|> kde roxx ;}
May 13 14:25:13 <trickie> http://dberkholz.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/how-to-run-an-effective-meeting-on-irc/ <- interesting reading considering tonights IRC meeting
May 13 14:25:28 <trickie> is there any specific agenda for the meeting that anyone knows of?
May 13 14:26:33 * Jaffa isn't sure he's going to be able to make it :()
May 13 14:27:13 <RST38h> what is today's meeting?
May 13 14:28:36 <jdiaz> hm, I tried to manually reomve the comapp dependency, and then ./configure had success
May 13 14:28:47 <trickie> the link johnx pasted before: http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/
May 13 14:29:21 <jdiaz> but after a while compiling, I got a file #including comapp_system.h, and the compilation failed
May 13 14:29:33 <jdiaz> google knows nothing about comapp_system.h
May 13 14:29:42 <jdiaz> suspicious
May 13 14:32:07 <jdiaz> Ah! Found it
May 13 14:33:17 <hrw> internal n810 gps...
May 13 14:33:52 <hrw> that reminds that I had to blog what I think about n810+maemomapper as car navigation
May 13 14:34:36 <jdiaz> I think it is not for car navigation...
May 13 14:36:15 <RST38h> hrw: bad things? =)
May 13 14:36:53 <hrw> RST38h: during 2x250km trips it got lost too many times. mostly reboots
May 13 14:37:08 <RST38h> hrw: urgh. weird.
May 13 14:37:16 <hrw> RST38h: and try to route detour without network...
May 13 14:37:26 <hrw> or enter street name using fingers
May 13 14:37:36 <RST38h> Wait, you were trying routing in maemo-mapper?
May 13 14:37:45 <RST38h> n810?
May 13 14:38:21 <RST38h> looks like we are just one hour ahead of Helsinki. Cool
May 13 14:38:29 <hrw> RST38h: I did route at home, stored to card and used just to see am I on track (after comparing it with normal maps)
May 13 14:39:56 <hrw> RST38h: and then in one city I had to spend 30 minutes to drive in a long queue between tracks
May 13 14:40:26 <RST38h> well, the reboot part is strange
May 13 14:40:32 <hrw> indeed
May 13 14:40:39 <hrw> but I got used to it
May 13 14:40:43 <RST38h> but as far as typing in an address on the go, I can feel your pain
May 13 14:41:04 <hrw> thats why I will rather buy wince navigator then hh-12 car mount
May 13 14:41:45 <lardman> hrw: have you tried Navit?
May 13 14:42:07 <hrw> lardman: once at home
May 13 14:42:20 <lardman> I'm having troubles getting any maps to show up
May 13 14:42:22 <hrw> lardman: osm maps are useless in Poland
May 13 14:42:41 <lardman> but it does have in-built routing
May 13 14:42:49 <lardman> hrw: ah, that's a slight problem then
May 13 14:46:05 <lardman> hrw: are Garmin maps available for Poland?
May 13 14:46:24 <lardman> Roadmap has an interface for them, not sure if it does routing though
May 13 14:47:16 <hrw> lardman: there are - in misc quality
May 13 14:53:31 <RST38h> hrw: wince navigator will basically be the same shit
May 13 14:53:54 <RST38h> hrw: the physical obstacles (small size, no decent keyboard) are not being eliminated
May 13 14:55:18 <jdiaz> I didn't know about navit... interesting
May 13 14:55:37 <jdiaz> is osm useful in Spain?
May 13 14:56:59 <hrw> jdiaz: check on their website
May 13 14:57:16 <hrw> RST38h: at least onscreen keyboard with prediction is usable
May 13 14:57:20 <RST38h> osm isn't useful at all
May 13 14:57:28 <RST38h> no matter what country you are in
May 13 14:57:36 <hrw> RST38h: holland has nice maps
May 13 14:57:36 <RST38h> it is "open" though :)
May 13 14:57:48 <RST38h> US maps are crap
May 13 14:57:49 <johnx> RST38h, it looks nice around Seattle
May 13 14:57:54 <X-Fade> RST38h: We have good maps in OSM. (NL)
May 13 14:58:00 <RST38h> Not on the east coast though :)
May 13 14:58:07 <elb> the osm maps near here are OK
May 13 14:58:15 <elb> they're not great, but they're passable
May 13 14:58:27 <lardman> RST38h: why do you say it's not useful? Seems to be pretty good coverage in the UK
May 13 14:58:31 <elb> the rendering is ugly, is the biggest problem ... font labels are unfortunate at many zooms
May 13 14:58:32 <RST38h> hrw: Diablo is said to have finger kbd fixed
May 13 14:58:55 <RST38h> lardman: Well, I tried it at the US east coast and it is pretty empty
May 13 14:58:56 * qwerty12 can vouch for Diablo on that point
May 13 14:59:12 <lardman> qwerty12: do you happen to have an a2dp headset?
May 13 14:59:15 <Navi_> it's even better now :P
May 13 14:59:15 <RST38h> I think it has TIGER-derived dataset, but it is far from being sufficient
May 13 14:59:21 <qwerty12> lardman, a2dp isn't supported
May 13 14:59:23 <qwerty12> I tried :(
May 13 14:59:25 <Navi_> You can make it _always_ launch the finger keyboard
May 13 14:59:26 <lardman> RST38h: US?
May 13 14:59:27 <RST38h> For Russia, OSM is just empty, most of the time
May 13 14:59:32 <RST38h> lardman: yes
May 13 14:59:37 <lardman> qwerty12: enable it in the standard manner
May 13 14:59:51 <jdiaz> well, I can see that in osm, the map of my city is very detailed and up-to-date
May 13 15:00:02 <lardman> RST38h: I don't tend to go to Russia much so I can live with it ;)
May 13 15:00:05 <qwerty12> lardman, I can't be bothered atm. I'm finishing off a long PM, give me time and I'll do it later :)
May 13 15:00:07 <RST38h> you are just lucjy
May 13 15:00:21 <elb> for Russia, *everything* is just empty, most of the time :-P
May 13 15:00:24 <RST38h> lardman: well, the US wasn't very good as well
May 13 15:00:38 <RST38h> elb: http://maps.yandex.ru/moscow
May 13 15:00:39 <elb> it isn't like you can fire up Google Maps and navigate around Russia
May 13 15:00:40 <lardman> qwerty12: np, I'd be interested to compare the cpu usage with your new version of bluez
May 13 15:00:49 <RST38h> elb: The rest you don't normally go to
May 13 15:00:59 <elb> I do
May 13 15:01:08 <RST38h> elb: I *can* fire up google maps and navigate around russia
May 13 15:01:08 <johnx> RST38h, I'm looking through Seattle and surrounding areas and it looks fairly complete...
May 13 15:01:15 <elb> I've spent a grand total of three nights in Moscow ... and a few months total in Tyumen
May 13 15:01:31 <RST38h> Tyumen should be quite an experience =)
May 13 15:01:45 <elb> you can fire up Google Maps and take the highways
May 13 15:01:46 <elb> but that's about it
May 13 15:02:02 <RST38h> GMaps also works outside highways
May 13 15:02:02 <elb> Russia needs to get their crap in gear with some openly available GIS information
May 13 15:02:23 <RST38h> Works pretty well in fact, I did not expect to see a lot of places it shows
May 13 15:02:26 <elb> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=tyumen,+russia&ie=UTF8&ll=57.157332,65.51568&spn=0.020109,0.058022&t=h&z=14
May 13 15:02:45 <lardman> how good is Google maps routing in Russia?
May 13 15:02:53 <elb> any place I care about in Russia is worthless
May 13 15:03:05 <elb> Tyumen, Omskaya Oblast', Nefteyugansk
May 13 15:03:15 <qwerty12> I know a Russian. He moved to Denmark :p
May 13 15:03:32 <lardman> because the OSM coverage is better there?
May 13 15:03:36 <lardman> :)
May 13 15:03:36 <RST38h> elb: umgh
May 13 15:03:50 <qwerty12> lardman, lol, he hates Nokia :P
May 13 15:04:21 <RST38h> satellite map is quite detailed though =)
May 13 15:04:28 <elb> yeah, the satellite maps are good
May 13 15:04:39 <elb> even in the butt end of nowhere in omskaya oblast' where I go
May 13 15:04:43 <elb> you can see individual houses
May 13 15:04:59 <MajMin7> hey RST
May 13 15:05:01 <elb> because there's a swath along the border of kazakhstan with awesome resolution, and it's caught in that swath
May 13 15:05:03 <MajMin7> i got the cat to work
May 13 15:05:14 <MajMin7> cat < /dev/pgps
May 13 15:05:20 <qwerty12> Kazakhstan = borat ?
May 13 15:05:35 <RST38h> NajMin: cool
May 13 15:06:00 <RST38h> elb: you know what...I have checked yandex map for Tyumen and I think I know what the problem is
May 13 15:06:35 <RST38h> elb: damn place just has 6 streets or so =) that is why it is not very detailed on a map
May 13 15:07:12 <elb> haha
May 13 15:07:16 <elb> no it has a million streets
May 13 15:07:22 <elb> it's over half a million people
May 13 15:07:46 <RST38h> the satellite view also shows about 10-12 large city blocks
May 13 15:07:48 <elb> but Russia has craptastic public GIS data for Siberia
May 13 15:08:04 <RST38h> oh, the military has very nice high res maps ;)
May 13 15:08:24 <RST38h> and if you search for them on the net, you may have them too
May 13 15:08:24 <elb> oh, to be sure there are a few main thoroughfares and a ton of little crappy streets
May 13 15:08:38 <elb> but if you're staying on the main thoroughfares you don't *need* a map, they're really simple
May 13 15:08:52 <elb> what you need a map for is all the crappy little streets
May 13 15:09:02 <RST38h> yep
May 13 15:09:23 <elb> Nefteyugansk is even worse
May 13 15:09:27 <elb> because their addresses are Japan-style
May 13 15:09:27 <RST38h> But the place is pretty much an end of any road
May 13 15:09:32 <RST38h> Same goes for Nefteyugansk
May 13 15:09:40 <elb> irrelevant
May 13 15:09:50 <RST38h> it wasn't a city to begin with, that is why addresses are Japan-style
May 13 15:09:53 <elb> the map data sucks, regardless -- and declaring Siberia a wasteland doesn't make it better ;-)
May 13 15:09:58 <elb> no, it was *planned* that way
May 13 15:10:06 <elb> someone thought it would be a good idea, apparently
May 13 15:10:13 <RST38h> heh
May 13 15:10:53 <MajMin7> ha
May 13 15:11:21 <MajMin7> nice!  it look like I need only start the /usr/libexec/navicore
May 13 15:11:32 <MajMin7> and then read from /dev/pgps
May 13 15:12:25 <MajMin7> RST38h: i could develop my whole app off of these gps strings, right?
May 13 15:12:32 <MajMin7> RST38h: just as long as I know how to parse them
May 13 15:12:39 <RST38h> yes, although I suggest finding some other way to start it up
May 13 15:12:43 <RST38h> navicore is a third party app
May 13 15:12:57 <MajMin7> ahh
May 13 15:13:10 <MajMin7> but all i gotta do is fork-exec navicore, no?
May 13 15:13:18 <MajMin7> whats the down-side?
May 13 15:13:26 <RST38h> elb: Here, consider it a personal gift: http://planetolog.ru/map-city-zoom.php?country=RU&city=TJM&scheme=1
May 13 15:14:03 <elb> MajMin7: why don't you look to see what maemo mapper does?
May 13 15:14:25 <elb> RST38h: nice
May 13 15:14:32 <RST38h> And Tyumen GIS data is here: http://gps.car72.ru/
May 13 15:14:33 <elb> that's the best online map I've seen
May 13 15:15:26 <Khertan> someone have some experiences with gpe source code ?
May 13 15:15:31 <MajMin7> elb:yea, thats next
May 13 15:15:40 <MajMin7> thanks
May 13 15:15:46 <Khertan> or does know how recurring event are managed in the gpe database ?
May 13 15:21:59 * qwerty12 goes off to compile mtd-tools. fanoush gave me his version source ^-^
May 13 15:25:17 <florian> Khertan: I have some experience with gpe source code... but I don#t know offhand about recurring events.
May 13 15:36:28 <Khertan> florian > i m looking for how they manage their reccuring event, as i ve some problem in my own calendar to do it in sql.
May 13 15:36:45 <Khertan> and as i believe it seems that gpe use a sql database to store event
May 13 15:39:04 <florian> Khertan: Yes that's right, the functionality is abstracted in libeventdb. This has all the sql code for accessing and table creation too.
May 13 15:39:11 <qwerty12> goddamn, I hate nokia. I spent 3 hours modifiying diablo initfs to fit and then they release a fixed one via SSU. Just my luck... :( :P
May 13 15:45:56 <hrw> qwerty12: ;(
May 13 15:46:17 <RST38h> Ho! Ho! Ho!
May 13 15:46:27 <RST38h> So, is Diablo officially out now?!?
May 13 15:46:32 <qwerty12> Nope :)
May 13 15:46:39 <hrw|gone> bye
May 13 15:46:41 <qwerty12> Just some packages updated
May 13 15:46:42 <qwerty12> bye
May 13 15:46:59 <qwerty12> RST38h, no need to insult me :P
May 13 15:47:09 <RST38h> not insulting ;)
May 13 15:47:15 <qwerty12> Lol, bad joke :)
May 13 15:47:45 * RST38h killed canola a few days ago with apt-get upgrade
May 13 15:47:54 <RST38h> Some shared library got upgraded
May 13 15:47:59 <qwerty12> RST38h, libeet missing? symlink it ;)
May 13 15:48:04 <qwerty12> Bundyo posted instructions
May 13 15:48:11 <RST38h> yep, seen his solution
May 13 15:49:03 <MajMin7> so RST, what do you do with these devices?
May 13 15:49:05 <MajMin7> hobby?
May 13 15:49:11 <MajMin7> development?
May 13 15:49:14 * qwerty12 is trying to appletise conky but I'm unsure as to what I am doing. I've unpacked sample applet (thanks RST38h) and I'm gonna reconfigure and recompile Conky and try and mix code :)
May 13 15:50:43 <RST38h> qwerty: basically, you want to create a gtk widget (like button created in that example), extract X11 window handle from it, and feed that handle to Conky
May 13 15:50:48 <RST38h> That should do the job more or less
May 13 15:51:13 <qwerty12> Ah, ok, thanks :)
May 13 15:53:04 <lardman> MajMin7: look at libgpsmgr for how to start/stop gpsd which in turn starts gpsdriver
May 13 15:54:01 <qwerty12> Has anyone here compiled any GNOME app for Chinook? I would love a port of gnome stones but I get so much headers missing...
May 13 15:54:28 <qwerty12> lardman, as soon as I find my headphones, I'll try johnx/only method of a2dp :)
May 13 15:55:10 <lardman> qwerty12: cool, hopefully cpu usage will be ~5%
May 13 15:55:12 <lardman> ;)
May 13 15:57:08 <qwerty12> I just realised I don't have my XMMS anymore :(. I'll have to use mplayer.
May 13 16:08:06 <qwerty12> lardman, so far not so good. I'm rebooting.
May 13 16:08:36 <lardman> I was about to ask how it was going
May 13 16:08:51 <qwerty12> I'm a mind reader muhahahaha
May 13 16:09:14 <lardman> :)
May 13 16:11:35 <qwerty12> w00t, it works nicely :)
May 13 16:11:47 <lardman> good to hear
May 13 16:11:50 <qwerty12> load applet =2 bars
May 13 16:11:59 <qwerty12> one skip for one second.
May 13 16:12:04 <qwerty12> Uploading screenshot :P
May 13 16:12:40 <qwerty12> Scratch the screenie, I can't be arsed :p
May 13 16:12:57 <johnx> what does top say?
May 13 16:13:28 <qwerty12> Load average 1.27 1.04 0.50
May 13 16:13:41 <qwerty12> bluetoothd = 0.1%
May 13 16:13:48 <qwerty12> mplayer  = 45%
May 13 16:13:59 <johnx> interesting
May 13 16:16:12 <lardman> or strange even
May 13 16:16:33 <lardman> i don't suppose your headset is one of the fancy ones that supports mp3 decoding directly?
May 13 16:16:41 <qwerty12> It is come think of it
May 13 16:16:54 <lardman> which, strange or fancy?
May 13 16:16:57 <_berto_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
May 13 16:16:58 <_berto_> ugh
May 13 16:17:17 <qwerty12> lardman, strange :p. MSI Blueplayer support knockoff. Chinese strike again :p
May 13 16:17:31 <lardman> so probably uses SBC then
May 13 16:18:04 <lardman> what's the mplayer top output if you output to wired headphones/speaker?
May 13 16:18:12 <qwerty12> For £10 though, I ain't complaining.
May 13 16:18:15 <qwerty12> Not sure, let me check
May 13 16:18:18 <lardman> :)
May 13 16:19:05 <czr> damn, my sub-100 bug is still alive.
May 13 16:19:23 <czr> the comments are funny read though. it's just been mostly reassigned between versions :-)
May 13 16:19:43 <lardman> what number is this one?
May 13 16:19:50 <czr> _berto_, that's the openssl+debian issue?
May 13 16:19:59 <qwerty12> lardman, mplayer version?
May 13 16:20:04 <czr> it's evil. ssh keys and ssl certs need to be considered as compromised :-)..
May 13 16:20:15 <lardman> qwerty12: sorry, that was aimed at czr
May 13 16:20:23 <qwerty12> ah, sorry, my bad :)
May 13 16:20:28 <czr> lardman, 97 methinks, let me check
May 13 16:20:45 <czr> 95 sry.
May 13 16:21:14 <czr> all of my other under-100 bugs have been closed a long time ago..
May 13 16:21:32 <qwerty12> top output. load average - 0.12 0.49 0.47. mplayer 19.8%
May 13 16:21:43 <qwerty12> esd is taking 1.8%
May 13 16:22:15 <_berto_> czr: yes it is
May 13 16:23:03 <lardman> qwerty12: so ~25% cpu assuming the sbc encoder is running in mplayer
May 13 16:23:18 <lardman> ~25% for the sbc encoder that is
May 13 16:23:31 <qwerty12> Ah, cool.
May 13 16:23:57 <lardman> Does that work - mplayer links to alsa which links to bluez-utils which pulls in the sbc encoder?
May 13 16:24:59 <qwerty12> lardman, I'll take your word for it :). I have no idea what is happening.
May 13 16:25:17 <lardman> nor do I, just wondering
May 13 16:28:36 <lardman> I don't know how much better that is than before
May 13 16:28:45 <lardman> I'll try when i get home & charge my headset
May 13 16:29:19 <qwerty12> The N800 is more responsive and skips are much more better, last less (~1 sec?) than they did before.
May 13 16:29:30 <qwerty12> I want to see INDT's version of Bluez :p
May 13 16:29:55 <lardman> hmm, are these patches to bluez-utils the patches that INDT were talking about though?
May 13 16:29:59 <Stskeeps> is this testing a video or an mp3?
May 13 16:30:24 <qwerty12> lardman, not sure. I don't *think* it is though :/
May 13 16:30:27 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, mp3
May 13 16:30:32 <Stskeeps> k
May 13 16:30:57 <lardman> qwerty12: if not, someone else has been adding patches to bluez too
May 13 16:31:34 <qwerty12> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/ :/
May 13 16:35:16 <lardman> see you chaps in ~2hrs for the meeting
May 13 16:36:48 <pupnik> what meeting?
May 13 16:38:19 <acydlord> v
May 13 16:38:20 <acydlord> http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_irc_meeting-001/
May 13 16:38:23 <acydlord> that one
May 13 16:42:42 <qwerty12> ~curse firefox for random crashes and ubuntu for including it with hardyon
May 13 16:42:43 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, firefox for random crashes and ubuntu for including it with hardyon !
May 13 16:45:48 <acydlord> as ubuntu keeps becoming more mainstream i keep wanting to switch to another deb based distro
May 13 16:46:04 <qwerty12> Try the original, debian :/
May 13 16:52:05 <kpel> that beta firefox was a silly idea indeed
May 13 16:53:16 <johnx> for them it means not having to switch browsers midway when firefox2 is obsolete and no longer patched
May 13 16:53:19 <acydlord> i used to use the vanilla debian
May 13 16:53:21 <johnx> but in the short term it kinda sucks
May 13 16:53:31 <acydlord> infact i still use debian on most of my servers
May 13 16:53:33 <johnx> I just went back to vanilla debian
May 13 16:53:52 <johnx> hardy had serious issues with my hardware and I didn't feel like tracking them down
May 13 16:55:18 <acydlord> one of my systems still has gOS built on top of ubuntu
May 13 16:55:21 <qwerty12> is there a way to slow down the output of make?
May 13 16:55:40 <johnx> so you can see it as it flies by?
May 13 16:55:51 <qwerty12> yes, I'm missing a lot of headers
May 13 16:55:57 <johnx> just redirect to a file: make &> make.log
May 13 16:56:10 <qwerty12> ta, that did it.
May 13 16:56:26 <qwerty12> I ran without & and it would put the output I didn't want to the file
May 13 16:56:46 <johnx> ah, the normal output?
May 13 16:56:52 <johnx> &> puts everything in
May 13 16:56:59 <qwerty12> I guess :/. Thanks.
May 13 16:57:02 <johnx> 1> is stdout and 2> is stderr, IIRC
May 13 16:57:08 <johnx> &> is both
May 13 16:57:29 <qwerty12> Ah :). I really <3 gnome-stones and am racking my brains out :)
May 13 17:00:25 <lcuk> don't you linux people have "more"
May 13 17:00:32 <lcuk> even i remember that from dos days
May 13 17:00:38 <inz> but less is more
May 13 17:01:00 <pH5> does the TLV320AIC33 have some kind of analog gain after the DAC in the headphone path?
May 13 17:01:03 <qwerty12> I know about less and more, my problem was that I wasn't getting all output
May 13 17:01:12 <pH5> the noise level on the n810 is uncomfortably high with 13Ohm headphones :(
May 13 17:05:20 <pupnik> pH5: there is distortion which appears to be software based
May 13 17:05:28 <pupnik> pH5: or are you talking accurately about noise
May 13 17:05:36 <lcuk> hey pupnik
May 13 17:05:57 <pupnik> hi lcuk.
May 13 17:06:35 <pH5> pupnik: I'm talking about the noise level
May 13 17:06:35 * lcuk is on final almost countdown for linuxtag
May 13 17:06:49 <lardman> lcuk: scratch the video problem; I was tired & forgot that MATLAB/Octave writes in columns rather than rows
May 13 17:06:52 <pH5> for example when I touch the screen I get that clic and then ~1s of noise until the DAC powers down
May 13 17:07:00 <lcuk> lol lard
May 13 17:07:24 * lardman could do with a week off next week too :)
May 13 17:07:30 <lcuk> but your first test appeared correct, or was that just unlucky choice of sizes
May 13 17:07:40 <lcuk> i could really do with swapping
May 13 17:07:44 <lardman> yep, the sizes were just about close enough
May 13 17:07:51 <lcuk> ive go so much to do and to just switch off is gonna be...
May 13 17:08:26 <lardman> I'm actually away to a conf next week, but could probably do with either having the week off or being at work to get stuff done
May 13 17:09:00 <lardman> what am I saying :D
May 13 17:09:22 <lcuk> i will get time to think at least - ive got enough little pieces in place to know what i want to achieve
May 13 17:10:44 <lcuk> lardman, so is your blit blitting now correctly
May 13 17:11:46 <lardman> lcuk: the test rgb565 data, yes; so the conversion routine is probably screwing up the YV12->YUV420 stuff
May 13 17:18:17 <pH5> hm, in the datasheet there are HPLOUT/HPLCOM output level control registers that does 0dB..9dB gain.
May 13 17:19:08 <pH5> Is there anything more than the digital PCM volume made accessible anywhere? I couldn't find any useful alsa controls.
May 13 17:20:37 <qwerty12> Not sure on a technical POV but aumix exists for tablet. Can't remember if more volume ctrls was added.
May 13 17:28:01 <pH5> qwerty12: amixer only shows a single PCM volume control
May 13 17:28:15 <johnx> select the "master" mixer device
May 13 17:28:28 <qwerty12> pH5, ah, my bad. Sorry.
May 13 17:28:29 <johnx> for example: alsamixer -D master
May 13 17:31:52 <pH5> johnx: ouch, thanks. that looks much better. now if I can find the analog volume..
May 13 17:32:46 <johnx> pH5, I didn't see one when I was poking around
May 13 17:33:03 <johnx> but then again, I wasn't looking for it ;)
May 13 17:36:59 <pH5> johnx: 'DAC_to_HP'
May 13 17:37:13 <pH5> thanks again, too bad it doesn't decrease the noise level significantly
May 13 17:37:19 <johnx> ah :/
May 13 17:44:59 <dmsuperman> How can I rearrange my menus?
May 13 17:45:22 <dmsuperman> For example. a ton of stuff is put in the Extras menu, but I want to move them into other more logical menus (or perhaps even add new categories
May 13 17:45:31 <dmsuperman> I can't seem to find it, is it a configuration file somewhere?
May 13 17:46:13 <johnx> control panel -> navigation -> organize
May 13 17:53:14 <johnx> Doing some final sanity checks on Debian beta3. Anyone who's willing to mirror it can have first dibs
May 13 17:54:35 <Navi> awsum
May 13 17:54:44 <Stskeeps> why not bittorrent it? :P
May 13 17:55:27 <johnx> I'd like to have it up on plain http or ftp for people who can't download things through bittorrent quickly/easily
May 13 17:55:37 <johnx> but I would not be adverse to seeing it end up on bittorrent
May 13 17:55:51 <Stskeeps> well, there's always http seeding in bt
May 13 17:55:51 <Stskeeps> :P
May 13 17:56:01 <Navi> :P
May 13 17:56:51 <johnx> maybe I'll give that a try
May 13 17:57:00 <johnx> right now I'm just getting it up to my host
May 13 17:57:15 <johnx> it's taking approximately forever on this DSL connection
May 13 17:57:21 <Navi> hehe
May 13 17:57:22 <johnx> my upload is pitiful
May 13 17:57:30 <Navi> mine is 30kb/s
May 13 17:57:32 <Navi> :(
May 13 17:57:36 <johnx> mine too
May 13 17:57:44 <Navi> I want Verizon FiOS
May 13 17:57:48 <johnx> and it's 201MB compressed
May 13 17:58:01 <Navi> their package plans have excellent upload speeds
May 13 17:58:03 <johnx> I *can* get FIOS here but the landlord/rent terms don't allow it
May 13 17:58:24 <Navi> aw
May 13 17:58:35 <johnx> it would almost be *cheaper* too
May 13 17:59:03 <Navi> Mhm
May 13 17:59:18 <Navi> Still sane? Only an hour more 'till it starts
May 13 17:59:29 <johnx> yeah
May 13 17:59:30 <johnx> mostly
May 13 17:59:49 <johnx> and happy with the state of the debian release too
May 13 17:59:57 <johnx> rotation is awesome :D
May 13 18:00:16 <Stskeeps> ever got sound working?
May 13 18:00:24 <johnx> yup
May 13 18:00:30 <johnx> comes with mpd/gmpc by default
May 13 18:00:41 <johnx> plays nice and crisp through speakers and headphones
May 13 18:00:43 <Stskeeps> so what's not working these days? the closed source stuff?
May 13 18:00:53 <Navi> Cool
May 13 18:00:59 <johnx> I had no luck with the camera
May 13 18:01:12 <johnx> but I think it should work with the right parameters given to mencoder/vlc
May 13 18:01:20 <johnx> I just didn't try very hard
May 13 18:01:44 <johnx> also, lots of powersaving stuff isn't automagic yet
May 13 18:01:56 <johnx> it all "works", but it needs to be done from a terminal
May 13 18:02:10 <Navi> what needs to be done?
May 13 18:02:23 <johnx> just some wrapper scripts really
May 13 18:02:34 <johnx> maybe a nice brightness adjust app
May 13 18:02:38 <Navi> mmk
May 13 18:02:43 <johnx> a recompiled x server with dpms support
May 13 18:03:19 <johnx> for some reason suspend to mem stopped working for me
May 13 18:03:26 <Navi> hih
May 13 18:03:27 <johnx> it suspends and then comes right back
May 13 18:03:31 <Navi> heh*
May 13 18:03:58 <johnx> I think some process or driver is preventing it from working
May 13 18:04:18 <johnx> I'd *really* like that fixed, because that would make battery usage acceptable for day-to-day use
May 13 18:13:55 <johnx> hey, qwerty12_N800, apparently I just pulled a new kernel down through ssu O_o
May 13 18:14:10 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, same here :)
May 13 18:14:27 <johnx> the good news is debian still works with it at some level
May 13 18:14:37 <qwerty12_N800> false alert about initfs though - i'm still running my stripped version
May 13 18:14:58 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, I thought debian runs separate :/
May 13 18:15:11 <johnx> it does
May 13 18:15:21 <johnx> but it includes its own modules :(
May 13 18:15:32 <qwerty12_N800> ah right :)
May 13 18:15:32 <johnx> so that kind of failed just now
May 13 18:16:09 <johnx> anyways, that's an easy fix..."You can't use the Diablo kernel with debian. EOF"
May 13 18:17:03 <qwerty12_N800> I'm gonna modify bootmenu to work with the diablo initfs. I don't think there will be much space to do though. I'm probably gonna rip out rx-48/810w stuff too.
May 13 18:18:52 <Stskeeps> johnx: got a page anywhere that documents the debian stuff for n800?
May 13 18:19:30 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#Download
May 13 18:19:36 <johnx> glad you asked :)
May 13 18:19:47 <Stskeeps> we use the n8x0 series for research so a more "flexible" OS can be interesting
May 13 18:20:35 <johnx> you might enjoy this quite a bit then
May 13 18:21:01 <Navi> cool
May 13 18:21:06 <Navi> you brought it down to 682MB
May 13 18:21:17 <Navi> er >_>
May 13 18:21:21 <acydlord> crap, i dont think my favicons saves correctly
May 13 18:21:23 <Navi> Where did I get that number from?
May 13 18:21:24 * acydlord facepalms
May 13 18:21:25 <Navi> :P
May 13 18:21:35 <johnx> Navi, I have *no* idea
May 13 18:21:57 <Navi> neither do I :P
May 13 18:22:02 <Stskeeps> Navi: that's Ubuntu XP Ultra Mobile Fancy Dancy Edition you're thinking about
May 13 18:22:02 <Stskeeps> :P
May 13 18:22:20 <Navi> Ew
May 13 18:22:34 <johnx> 747MB
May 13 18:22:43 <johnx> still not bad at all with what it includes I think
May 13 18:22:55 <johnx> that's a 300MB premium over nothing but a console
May 13 18:23:32 <qwerty12_N800> so, no change of jffs2 rootfs? :p
May 13 18:23:40 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, correct
May 13 18:23:40 <qwerty12_N800> s/change/chance
May 13 18:23:52 <johnx> still correct
May 13 18:24:20 <johnx> seriously, the effort/reward value is waaay to low for me to even consider
May 13 18:24:39 <johnx> especially considering that *I'm* keeping OS200x on the flash
May 13 18:25:08 <qwerty12_N800> lol. I wonder what flash chip is used. I'd like to replace mine and do cold flash.
May 13 18:25:26 <Navi> heh
May 13 18:26:06 <qwerty12_N800> 256Mb is rubbish amount :p
May 13 18:26:52 <Stskeeps> johnx: if you give me an url for the beta3, i'll put it up on somewhere that maxes out about 60-70mbit, no quota
May 13 18:27:04 <qwerty12_N800> we would all be royally screwed if jffs2 wasn't used
May 13 18:27:05 <johnx> no URL yet
May 13 18:27:08 <Stskeeps> k
May 13 18:27:10 <johnx> I'm putting it up on my host first
May 13 18:27:15 <Stskeeps> just say when
May 13 18:27:21 <lardman|afk> qwerty12_N800: My Zaurus 5500 had 16Mb iirc
May 13 18:27:21 <johnx> 200MB @ 30KB/s
May 13 18:27:49 <johnx> scp says 1hr 25min
May 13 18:27:53 <qwerty12_N800> lardman|afk, can I change my statement then? :p. 256mb is lovely amount
May 13 18:28:10 <lardman|afk> qwerty12_N800: people always want more :)
May 13 18:28:16 <johnx> yeah, the 16MB root was seriously difficult to cope with
May 13 18:29:09 <lardman> especially when using the original Sharp sw which gave us ~8Mb to play with mounted rw (iirc)
May 13 18:29:27 <qwerty12_N800> if my soldering skills were actually good, i'd have fun trying to replace flash chip. nokia provided us with tool to set it up.
May 13 18:29:30 <lardman> worse on the 5000D which only had 8Mb total I think
May 13 18:29:39 <johnx> really?
May 13 18:29:43 <johnx> it had less root space too?
May 13 18:29:54 <johnx> painful
May 13 18:29:55 <lardman> I seem to remember that, 1/2 the RAM too
May 13 18:30:04 <lardman> I didn't have one though, before my time
May 13 18:30:09 <johnx> I remember the 32MB of RAM part
May 13 18:30:12 <johnx> same here
May 13 18:30:29 <qwerty12_N800> Lies.... :p
May 13 18:31:18 <lardman> What, you mean palmtops used to have monochrome displays!? No, never!
May 13 18:31:36 <lardman> :)
May 13 18:32:15 <qwerty12_N800> Lol, I once had old old old palm. smashed it and bought ppc. never looked back :p
May 13 18:32:31 <johnx> ppc as in wince?
May 13 18:32:46 <qwerty12_N800> os2003se :/
May 13 18:32:55 <qwerty12_N800> i wrecked that too
May 13 18:33:20 <johnx> I loved my prism visor
May 13 18:33:36 <johnx> but I overclocked it for a while and it whitescreened on me
May 13 18:34:24 <qwerty12_N800> X-Fade, thanks for heads  up
May 13 18:35:07 * lardman just joined to make sure he gets a good seat :)
May 13 18:35:23 <X-Fade> Hehe, everybody has front-row seats :)
May 13 18:35:25 <lcuk> too late lardman
May 13 18:35:34 <lcuk> the front row is already taken
May 13 18:35:39 <lardman> :)
May 13 18:35:43 <qwerty12_N800> so, are diablo q's allowed to be asked?
May 13 18:35:54 <lcuk> for everyone except you, yes
May 13 18:35:56 <lardman> My irc client doesn't seem to give me a list of those in the channel
May 13 18:35:57 <X-Fade> qwerty12_N800: Sure..
May 13 18:36:07 <qwerty12_N800> cool :)
May 13 18:36:13 <X-Fade> lardman: /who
May 13 18:36:18 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, :p
May 13 18:36:24 <Andy80> what is Diablo?
May 13 18:36:26 <lcuk> lard, get xchat quickly
May 13 18:36:29 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, x-chat ftw
May 13 18:36:37 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, beat me
May 13 18:36:43 <johnx> better question: is it productive to ask diablo questions or will the answer just be "You'll see when we release it."
May 13 18:36:58 <lardman> I've got xchat-gnome
May 13 18:37:17 <lardman> X-Fade: thanks
May 13 18:37:18 <lcuk> and you dont know where your list has gnone?
May 13 18:37:22 <johnx> Andy80, the OS2008 "feature upgrade" with some bug fixes and modest as the email client
May 13 18:37:34 <Andy80> johnx: cool :)
May 13 18:37:46 <lardman> lcuk: I don't think it had one to begin with; even my windows client has a list! ;)
May 13 18:38:04 <lcuk> even my 810 client does :P but it takes up half the screen
May 13 18:38:13 <qwerty12_N800> +1
May 13 18:38:17 <johnx> xchat != xchat gnome
May 13 18:38:31 <lardman> Ah, "Users" menu item, also takes up half the screen
May 13 18:38:44 <lcuk> resizable?
May 13 18:38:45 <johnx> the non-gnome xchat has more "hacker-y" features
May 13 18:38:45 <lardman> johnx: fair enough
May 13 18:38:57 <Stskeeps> johnx: you can add http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 to mirrors of beta2 if you so desire (don't have an ITT account so :P)
May 13 18:38:57 <lardman> lcuk: disappears as soon as I do anything else
May 13 18:38:59 <dmsuperman> So I try to do apt-get install samba, then it complains that samba-common isn't the latest version (3.0.22-3 vs needed 3.0.22c-losso6) when I try to apt-get install samba-common, it says I have the latest version. Is there a way to get the samba-common package that it's requesting?
May 13 18:39:09 <lcuk> at least you can get an overview when you need
May 13 18:39:15 <lardman> yep
May 13 18:39:19 <lcuk> i barely use the one on here - too many users
May 13 18:39:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, will do, but I doubt beta2 will see much download action from here on out :)
May 13 18:39:56 <Stskeeps> hehe, just testing the upload/download speed anyhow
May 13 18:39:58 <lcuk> do i dare step back into vmware?
May 13 18:40:09 <Stskeeps> was able to upload with 1mb/s from university, so i guess that was good enough ;)
May 13 18:42:34 * qwerty12_N800 should go Sweden. I hear internet speeds are brill there.
May 13 18:43:03 <Stskeeps> or just a danish dorm that's connected to the national research network
May 13 18:43:04 <Stskeeps> :P
May 13 18:43:51 <qwerty12_N800> or that too :p
May 13 18:44:18 <lardman> I get ~350kb upload & 6Mb/s download
May 13 18:44:25 <lardman> at home
May 13 18:44:36 <johnx> kbits or kbytes?
May 13 18:44:44 <lardman> bits, is that B?
May 13 18:44:52 <qwerty12_N800> My uploads bad but I have 8MB dl
May 13 18:44:54 <johnx> bits is b, bytes is B
May 13 18:45:04 <lardman> ah, always wondered about that
May 13 18:45:26 <johnx> people do it wrong all the time though...so it really doesn't mean much
May 13 18:46:55 <lcuk> its ok, companies have even started to change the numbers involved ;)
May 13 18:47:09 <lardman> 1GB = 1000MB, etc.
May 13 18:47:55 <dmsuperman> which is always lame
May 13 18:48:10 <dmsuperman> but at the same time, aren't they technically both right?
May 13 18:48:20 <dmsuperman> it's really up to the filesystem
May 13 18:48:30 <dmsuperman> it just so happens that all existing filesystems are base 2
May 13 18:48:59 <lardman> in the same way that a billion dollars should actually be $1,000,000,000,000 :)
May 13 18:49:16 <lcuk> no, it should actually be ... mine
May 13 18:49:32 <X-Fade> lardman: Ehm no?
May 13 18:49:53 <qwerty12_N800> forget dollars, my faith is in pound
May 13 18:51:11 <lardman> X-Fade: billion = million million?
May 13 18:51:55 <lardman> US (and now UK billion) = milliard iirc
May 13 18:52:06 <X-Fade> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%2C000%2C000%2C000_(number) :)
May 13 18:52:39 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliard
May 13 18:52:42 <lardman> :)
May 13 18:52:51 <X-Fade> lardman: They can't even agree on that ;)
May 13 18:53:07 <X-Fade> Well, I'll settle for both.
May 13 18:53:24 <lardman> too big to worry about most of the time
May 13 18:53:51 <johnx> back in a bit
May 13 18:53:52 <X-Fade> Not when it come to bytes and recording HD movies ;)
May 13 18:54:02 <lcuk> tell you what, lets just split the difference,  i keep one part, i keep the other
May 13 18:54:24 <johnx> nm
May 13 18:55:35 <lcuk> damn, what a time to notice a bug in my program
May 13 18:56:05 <johnx> lcuk, I know the feeling...I just realized I introduced a bug into my debian release at the last second :|
May 13 18:56:31 <lcuk> its always the way
May 13 18:56:38 <johnx> yup
May 13 18:56:42 <johnx> same with the last release too
May 13 18:56:54 <johnx> glad I did the sanity check though
May 13 19:04:13 <qwerty12_N800> extremely off topic, but as we are quiet, anyone know any good scummvm games? wasn't around then.
May 13 19:05:40 <johnx> monkey island :)
May 13 19:06:09 <dneary> Hi
May 13 19:06:26 <dneary> There's a maemo meeting on in #maemo-meeting. Don't tell anyone, it's a sekrit
May 13 19:06:29 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, cool, thanks i'll check it out :)
May 13 19:14:39 <tank-man> not so sekrit now
May 13 19:35:39 <unixSnob> ha, and in fact this channel is logged and published on the web!
May 13 19:35:53 <KotCzarny> o, rly?
May 13 19:35:53 <unixSnob> Nothing in here closely resembles a secret
May 13 19:35:57 <moe25> does anyone know how to get java to work in a maemo browser?
May 13 19:36:26 <unixSnob> yeah, I've seen it.  i think you can google stuff that people say in here
May 13 19:36:44 <unixSnob> anyway.. gotta go
May 13 19:37:39 <unixSnob> hmm.. WTF?  My NIT just rebooted spontaneously
May 13 19:38:04 <unixSnob> ah, I think I see what happened.. ran out of battery i think..
May 13 19:38:16 <unixSnob> I saw the nokia logo and thought it was booting
May 13 19:45:28 <ricko73> what's the recommended image for use on an n810 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 looks like the latest
May 13 19:46:15 <johnx> ricko73, yes, that's correct
May 13 19:46:29 <ricko73> cool.  First upgrade I've done
May 13 19:46:52 <ricko73> I'm moving from what shipped with the device
May 13 19:47:39 <qwerty12_N800> can anyone tell me how to change user agent in microb, i've found little hole...
May 13 19:47:49 <Navi> Heh :P
May 13 19:47:53 <Navi> about:config?
May 13 19:47:56 <KotCzarny> qwerty: the same way as in firefox
May 13 19:47:58 <KotCzarny> ^
May 13 19:48:17 <qwerty12_N800> thanks
May 13 19:50:37 <moe25> anyone know how to enable java support in microb
May 13 19:50:44 <Navi> You can't
May 13 19:51:32 <moe25> is it possible to run java applets at all in maamo?
May 13 19:51:35 <moe25> maemo
May 13 19:51:47 <KotCzarny> there were some tries afair
May 13 19:51:54 <KotCzarny> but independent from browser
May 13 19:51:59 <KotCzarny> and limited funcionality
May 13 19:52:00 <qwerty12_N800> another question, does \q\n\  mean anything or it is like return value for other code?
May 13 19:52:38 <Navi> in what?
May 13 19:52:40 <fysa> anyone ask about the 3D driver? :)
May 13 19:52:42 <moe25> ok thanks navi and kotczarny
May 13 19:52:45 <KotCzarny> \r is line break and \n is line feed
May 13 19:52:54 <KotCzarny> in ascii
May 13 19:52:55 <qwerty12_N800> thanks :)
May 13 19:53:04 <KotCzarny> or something similiar
May 13 19:53:15 <Navi> fysa, quim doesn't know
May 13 19:53:36 <KotCzarny> 3d driver is a taboo
May 13 19:53:37 <KotCzarny> :>
May 13 19:53:44 <fysa> thanks, sounds about right
May 13 19:53:51 <KotCzarny> 1/ no one knows about 3d driver
May 13 19:53:52 <qwerty12_N800> Navi, don't really want to say. it's not my code and i've already fucked this guy over once
May 13 19:53:57 <KotCzarny> 2/ no one talks about 3d driver
May 13 19:53:59 <KotCzarny> :>
May 13 19:54:01 <Navi> He's just the marketing guy, after all
May 13 19:54:11 <Navi> Though, you'd think it'd be important :P
May 13 19:54:21 <KotCzarny> navi: he knows the right people
May 13 19:54:26 <fysa> how often does he meet?
May 13 19:54:26 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 19:54:34 <Navi> fysa, this is the first time
May 13 19:54:35 <KotCzarny> fysa: go to linuxtag
May 13 19:54:40 <KotCzarny> you will meet him :)
May 13 19:54:40 <Navi> fysa, it's still going on if you want to join in
May 13 19:54:47 <fysa> yes, lurking
May 13 19:54:52 <Navi> ah
May 13 19:54:59 <fysa> came in late so didn't want to waste his time with a question that had been asked.
May 13 19:56:17 <johnx> fysa, want me to dcc you my log?
May 13 20:03:29 * Jaffa turns up late as well. Damned work drinks.
May 13 20:03:35 <Navi> Heh
May 13 20:03:38 <Navi> fun fun
May 13 20:03:43 <Stskeeps> johnx: that file uploaded yet? :)
May 13 20:04:02 <Navi> he was offering to dcc it
May 13 20:04:12 <Navi> unless you were talking about Debian
May 13 20:04:16 <Stskeeps> debian
May 13 20:04:16 <Stskeeps> :P
May 13 20:04:18 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 13 20:04:19 <johnx> nah...I did a sanity check as it uploaded and realized I screwed something up
May 13 20:04:20 <KotCzarny> dcc debian
May 13 20:04:22 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 20:04:27 <fysa> I'll wait until it's up somewhere.  I'm subscribed to maemo planet, so I'm sure it will appear.. ;)
May 13 20:04:34 <Navi> johnx, damn
May 13 20:04:42 <KotCzarny> johnx: seed via bittorrent
May 13 20:04:43 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 20:04:44 <johnx> fixed and 30% uploaded now
May 13 20:04:47 <johnx> KotCzarny, no
May 13 20:04:51 <KotCzarny> why?
May 13 20:04:53 <Navi> johnx, why not?
May 13 20:04:59 <KotCzarny> it's made for that purpose
May 13 20:05:04 <johnx> because that wouldn't be a very effective use of bandwidth
May 13 20:05:05 <Navi> http seed = win
May 13 20:05:19 <KotCzarny> johnx: not?
May 13 20:05:21 <johnx> I have 30KB/s upload on my home connection
May 13 20:05:35 <johnx> if I seed all that will happen is most will be eaten by overhead
May 13 20:05:41 <johnx> just wait til I upload to my webhost
May 13 20:05:53 <johnx> then someone will be able to mirror it quickly
May 13 20:06:17 <johnx> from there you can do whatever you want with it
May 13 20:10:06 <Jaffa> johnx: dcc of the log would be appreciated.
May 13 20:11:35 <johnx> Jaffa, dcc'ing
May 13 20:13:18 <Jaffa> 
XDCC LIST

May 13 20:13:32 <Navi> Jaffa, lol.
May 13 20:14:16 <KotCzarny> !list
May 13 20:33:21 <Cptnodegard> since its OT in the meeting channel...any way of making the RSS reader have a smaller font? imnot blind and woul dprefer more items rather than havign it adapted for old people :)
May 13 20:33:39 <KotCzarny> switch theme?
May 13 20:33:56 <X-Fade> Edit your gtkrc?
May 13 20:34:15 <Cptnodegard> edit my what? *puts on noob hat*
May 13 20:34:57 <johnx> the gtkrc file in the theme you're using
May 13 20:35:05 <johnx> /usr/share/themes/foo/bar/gtkrc
May 13 20:35:10 <johnx> or something like that
May 13 20:35:13 * johnx is tired
May 13 20:35:15 <lardman> ok
May 13 20:35:16 <sp3000> the feed reader zooms doesn't it?
May 13 20:35:19 <Cptnodegard> basically i take it theres no option to do it for only the rss reader without venturing into stuff im scared of :)
May 13 20:35:19 <sp3000> not the list pane though
May 13 20:35:35 <Cptnodegard> oh sorry i meant the desktop rss reader
May 13 20:36:00 <sp3000> ah
May 13 20:38:29 <lcdd> the rss reader is useless until it stops choking on compressed feeds
May 13 20:38:42 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, bb5 = baseband 5. it is security system used in nokia phones (unlocking etc).  N8*0 has bb5 stuff in it, e.g retu and tahvo which can be found in phones like n70 e.g. 810w will use bb5 security to generate random number. dsme, bme etc interface with it but they are closed because phone hackers would get ideas...
May 13 20:39:15 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: ah, I see
May 13 20:39:37 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: the random number gen stuff is buried in there too isn't it, plus the encryption stuff
May 13 20:40:05 <lardman> ~lart Ubuntu for keeping repeating the letter hhhhhhhhhh no matter which keyboard I use!
May 13 20:40:05 * infobot duct-tapes Ubuntu to the floor and drools on him for keeping repeating the letter hhhhhhhhhh no matter which keyboard I use!
May 13 20:40:30 <qwerty12_N800> yes, i saw a peek in diablo initfs. bb5-random generates random number and sends it to urandom
May 13 20:41:17 <qwerty12_N800> it uses libb5 which i can only understand must "talk" to bb5
May 13 20:41:51 <Cptnodegard> lcdd: choking? never experienced that. i use it for keeping track of new tv shows and also track postal packages with a php thingy i got...works wonders for that in any case
May 13 20:42:34 <Blastur> hello! im considering getting a n810, but i'd like to know if it can support a bluetooth keyboard?
May 13 20:42:42 <Navi> yes
May 13 20:42:43 <Blastur> since the built-in keyboard seems quite small
May 13 20:42:48 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: well it's good to see we're getting something more out of the hw
May 13 20:43:05 <lardman> Blastur: built-in is not too bad
May 13 20:43:10 <Blastur> very cool! can you recommend any specific bluetooth keyboard model that will work 'out of the box'?
May 13 20:43:29 <KotCzarny> any bt should work
May 13 20:43:31 <Navi> Anything that supports the standard HID bluetooth spec?
May 13 20:43:43 <KotCzarny> even some serial ones with some twiddling
May 13 20:43:44 <johnx> igo stowaway seems to be popular but I use a usb keyboard
May 13 20:43:53 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, :), just wish it was oss. omap will also be more secure with "security" modules having to be loaded
May 13 20:43:54 <Navi> I'd use one too if I weren't lazy
May 13 20:44:12 <Blastur> johnx: it has a usb port?
May 13 20:44:33 <johnx> yes, but it can only run things that take less than 100mA of power
May 13 20:44:53 <johnx> and it's not technically a "Nokia supported" function from an official standpoint
May 13 20:45:05 <Blastur> oh ok.. so stuff like a 3G modem is out of the question?
May 13 20:45:10 <Navi> Blastur, you have to get an adapter to use full USB plugs with the microusb port though.
May 13 20:45:12 <johnx> probably
May 13 20:45:29 <ricko73> about how long does it take to flash the n810?
May 13 20:45:30 <johnx> you're better off with a bluetooth keyboard, both in terms of support and portability
May 13 20:45:38 <Navi> ricko73, few minutes
May 13 20:45:48 <Blastur> stuff like my digital kamera though, which has that small usb connector already, that should plug right in for uploading pics, right?
May 13 20:45:51 <johnx> once you have the file, less than 5 minutes
May 13 20:45:52 <Cptnodegard> [22:45] <ricko73> about how long does it take to flash the n810? <- depends on how big your boobs are (sorry couldnt resist)
May 13 20:45:56 <ricko73> hmmm.  Then it must not be flashing correctly
May 13 20:46:08 <Navi> Cptnodegard, >_>
May 13 20:46:11 <johnx> ricko73, is this under windows?
May 13 20:46:13 <Cptnodegard> ricko73: remeber it has to download the files first, that takes longer
May 13 20:46:16 <ricko73> johnx: linux
May 13 20:46:20 <johnx> ah
May 13 20:46:23 <ricko73> files are downloaded
May 13 20:46:26 <johnx> is it spitting out progress info?
May 13 20:46:52 <X-Fade> ricko73: Less than 30 seconds orso.
May 13 20:46:53 <Navi> johnx, how far along is debian?
May 13 20:46:55 <ricko73> no progress.  the cli flasher-3.0 immediately exits after the device is turned on
May 13 20:47:20 <qwerty12_N800> use -f -F to flash
May 13 20:47:29 <johnx> Navi, 63% uploaded
May 13 20:47:33 <Navi> mmk
May 13 20:47:35 <johnx> eta 40min
May 13 20:47:57 <ricko73> when I go into the Control panel after restarting the device, there is <unknown> shown under the version
May 13 20:48:00 <Navi> yeah, I figured from when you said 30%
May 13 20:48:05 <ricko73> (under about product)
May 13 20:48:13 <johnx> Navi, and unless you're offering to mirror it, you'll need to wait until after that :P
May 13 20:48:33 <Navi> I was going to stick it on megaupload :P
May 13 20:48:38 <Blastur> if i purchase a n810 today, will i be eligible the diablo upgrade when it is released, for free?
May 13 20:48:46 <Blafasel> Yes
May 13 20:48:59 <Blafasel> Otherwise Nokia is going down in flames
May 13 20:49:04 <qwerty12_N800> ricko73, mine is like that but i can always flash. which file are you flashing?
May 13 20:49:12 <johnx> everyone who has an N800 or N810 is "eligible"
May 13 20:49:36 <ricko73> RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3
May 13 20:49:45 <X-Fade> thp: You are a few months too late for that..
May 13 20:49:46 <Blafasel> Blastur: The stuff is freely available as download. You just need the compatible hardware
May 13 20:49:55 <qwerty12_N800> ricko73, the bin image
May 13 20:49:56 <Blastur> thats cool
May 13 20:49:58 <qwerty12_N800> ?
May 13 20:50:03 <ricko73> qwerty12_N800: yes the bin image
May 13 20:50:07 <Blastur> so whats the catch with getting a n810? it seems so good :)
May 13 20:50:23 <Blastur> can you tell me some of the things you may want it to improve on
May 13 20:50:33 <qwerty12_N800> ricko73, what is your full cmd you are using to flash
May 13 20:50:34 <KotCzarny> 3d drivers
May 13 20:50:35 <Blafasel> Blastur: Some don't like that it has only one SD slot, compared to the N800
May 13 20:50:35 <KotCzarny> :>
May 13 20:50:41 <ricko73> ./flasher-3.0-static RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
May 13 20:50:41 <Blafasel> Others don't like the dpad
May 13 20:50:47 <Blastur> dpad?
May 13 20:50:47 <Navi> Chinook browser isn't as responsive as Diablo's
May 13 20:50:54 <qwerty12_N800> use -f -F
May 13 20:51:00 <ricko73> per the instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
May 13 20:51:02 <Navi> Blastur, there's a five way rocker on the slider
May 13 20:51:05 <KotCzarny> blafasel: it's not a sd slot, but sd micro/mini ?
May 13 20:51:07 <ricko73> qwerty12_N800: I'll try that
May 13 20:51:12 <Blafasel> The directional pad, the "stick" stuff..
May 13 20:51:22 <Blastur> oh
May 13 20:51:23 <Blafasel> KotCzarny: Right, sorry for simplifying ;)
May 13 20:51:25 <Navi> Blastur, it's very tough to use for long amount of times
May 13 20:51:35 <KotCzarny> that's a difference in availability and price
May 13 20:51:37 <johnx> ricko73, flasher -f -F image -R
May 13 20:51:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 20:51:59 <qwerty12_N800> -R isn't needed for me :/
May 13 20:52:01 <Blafasel> KotCzarny: Yeah, but that's minor imo, the most complains I've seen are about the reduction from 2 to 1 slot
May 13 20:52:29 <Blafasel> Blastur: I own one and I'm happy with it, mind you. But everything could need improvement.
May 13 20:52:37 <ricko73> johnx: thanks!  it's working now
May 13 20:52:40 <Blafasel> Blastur: Especially if you plan to use the GPS: Beware ;)
May 13 20:52:42 <ricko73> someone should correct that web page
May 13 20:52:51 <Blastur> how is the n810 recharged? is there like a dock station so i could put it in and use it as a stationary skype phone when im at home?
May 13 20:52:55 <ricko73> flashed and rebooting
May 13 20:53:04 <Blafasel> Blastur: No, standard Nokia connector
May 13 20:53:10 <Blastur> is the quality of gps bad?
May 13 20:53:11 <Blafasel> (the newest one, very tiny)
May 13 20:53:11 <johnx> Blastur, it has a "kick stand" though
May 13 20:53:30 <johnx> Blastur, the GPS is not that great. but you can use a good bluetooth GPS with it
May 13 20:53:54 <Blastur> you mean the accuracy, or is it the software that fails?
May 13 20:54:01 <ricko73> I ordered a ProClip mount for my equinox
May 13 20:54:04 <Blafasel> Blastur: Yes, it's bad. It hardly get's a connection and takes ages if it does get one accidently.
May 13 20:54:17 <Navi> Blafasel, it takes a while to get a fix for some
May 13 20:54:21 <Blafasel> Blastur: The accuracy is not the problem. Getting a signal/fix is it.
May 13 20:54:24 <Blastur> oh.. that sounds serious
May 13 20:54:35 <Blastur> what are we talking here? 5 minutes?
May 13 20:54:36 <ricko73> btw, I appreciate the friendly non-elitist attitude in here
May 13 20:54:37 <Blastur> to get a fix
May 13 20:54:45 <Blafasel> Navi: Yeah. Zurich suburb, clear sky, gave up after ~ 15minutes
May 13 20:54:46 <ricko73> it's not all that common in many irc channels
May 13 20:54:55 <KotCzarny> 1-60 minutes
May 13 20:54:55 <Navi> Blastur, anywhere from a few minutes to forever
May 13 20:54:56 <KotCzarny> :>
May 13 20:55:08 <Navi> Some people can't get a fix even after hours
May 13 20:55:19 <acydlord> it usually takes me 5-20 minutes from inside my bedroom
May 13 20:55:28 <johnx> Blastur, the software isn't up to the same level as many standalone GPS units either
May 13 20:55:31 <acydlord> and this is after letting it connect once a day
May 13 20:55:49 <johnx> ricko73, sure, glad to help. BTW, I think you missed a -F when you were copying from the wiki :)
May 13 20:56:11 <ricko73> johnx: oh yes
May 13 20:56:19 <ricko73> I did miss that
May 13 20:56:22 <ricko73> whoops
May 13 20:56:26 <johnx> no worries
May 13 20:56:26 <Blastur> johnx: well, ok.. do you know if i can use this for projects like www.openstreetmap.org? i contribute a lot to that project by tracing roads and such, it'd be sweet to have software inside the gps unit that can upload and edit the maps directly 'from the field'
May 13 20:56:35 <Blastur> now i have to get home first to edit the maps
May 13 20:56:46 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo Mapper
May 13 20:56:48 <Navi> maemo mapper has support for OSM, I believe
May 13 20:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> It'll work with just about anything bitmap.
May 13 20:56:53 <Navi> ZOMG GeneralAntilles
May 13 20:56:59 <GeneralAntilles> Die, besh!
May 13 20:57:02 * GeneralAntilles stabs Navi.
May 13 20:57:07 <Blastur> ok, im ordering one now ;-)
May 13 20:57:09 * Navi dies a painful death
May 13 20:57:10 <ricko73> it's chugging along with the restore process...so far so good
May 13 20:57:19 <qwerty12_N800> Goodbye, Navi.
May 13 20:57:27 <ricko73> has anyone used the roadmap GPS program?
May 13 20:57:29 <Blastur> the only thing i miss is 3g connectivity
May 13 20:57:38 <GeneralAntilles> Why?
May 13 20:57:41 <GeneralAntilles> Just tether a phone. . .
May 13 20:57:55 <Blafasel> Why? Because you have to carry a phone as well..
May 13 20:57:58 <acydlord> i went out and bought a centro just to use as a bluetooth evdo modem
May 13 20:58:01 <ricko73> I knew one of the original devs on that project and found it to be very good when I had a PC in my car
May 13 20:58:07 <Blastur> centro?
May 13 20:58:10 <Blafasel> And charge two devices. I constantly face one dying ;)
May 13 20:58:14 <acydlord> palm centro
May 13 20:58:16 <Navi> ricko73, I have, but not with a GPS
May 13 20:58:30 <acydlord> well the n810 isnt a cellphone,       so you'll still have to carry your cellpone anyway
May 13 20:58:38 <ricko73> Navi: hopefully I can get it to install now that I've updated the firmware
May 13 20:58:46 <ricko73> I had issues before with some missing deps
May 13 20:59:09 <Blafasel> acydlord: Yeah, the point is that if you'd have 3g you'd probably have a phone anyway and - if not - could be always-on (and replace the cellphone with voip)
May 13 20:59:30 <Blafasel> But the "It's not a phone" discussion is old, I give you that ;)
May 13 20:59:47 <Blastur> by the way, can i SSH with this? to get to my work email i usually have to put up SSH port forward tunnels into the office network, can I do this on the n810? like ssh -L <localport>:<remotehost:port> blah@blah.com
May 13 20:59:55 <acydlord> voip is kind of problematic over 3g in my experience
May 13 21:00:02 <ricko73> Blastur: yes, ssh works well
May 13 21:00:06 <Blastur> excellent
May 13 21:00:11 <johnx> Blastur, ssh is one click away (more like 5...but whatever)
May 13 21:00:20 <acydlord> but if you wait till the wimax n810 is out if they have wimax in your area that solves your 3g problem with 4g
May 13 21:00:38 <Blastur> wimax doesn't seem too big here in sweden :)
May 13 21:00:40 <johnx> Blafasel, can you imagine holding an n810 to your head in a way that let you speak into the mic?
May 13 21:00:55 <ricko73> we won't have wimax here any sooner than ATT will have good data coverage (which is why I stopped using my e61i)
May 13 21:01:08 <Blastur> can i plugin a headset? if i want to do skype calls etc
May 13 21:01:17 <acydlord> we will have wimax where im at here in august
May 13 21:01:18 <Blastur> mic/headphones etc
May 13 21:01:32 <ricko73> johnx: I've found the voip support to be acceptable on the included headset
May 13 21:01:51 <Blastur> oh, it includes a headset?
May 13 21:01:58 <johnx> yes
May 13 21:02:05 <Blastur> bluetooth or?
May 13 21:02:08 <johnx> I use a bluetooth headset for skype
May 13 21:02:12 <acydlord> wired
May 13 21:02:19 <ricko73> Yeah.  Nokia got this device mostly right
May 13 21:02:20 <johnx> it includes a wired headset, but bt headsets work
May 13 21:02:45 <acydlord> johnx, does the bt headset have the volume limiting problem?
May 13 21:02:53 <ricko73> it includes a wired headset, the car mount, special usb cable and home charger
May 13 21:03:15 <Blastur> and the browser is working well? i mean, usually on these tiny devices you get poor javascript support and rendering capabilities.. i see that they advertise 'web 2.0', but whats you opinion on this?
May 13 21:03:20 <Blastur> (or experience)
May 13 21:03:26 <johnx> acydlord, volume limiting problem
May 13 21:03:33 <johnx> ?
May 13 21:03:39 <johnx> the volume seems fine here
May 13 21:03:47 <acydlord> the wired headset knocks the volume down several db
May 13 21:04:16 <johnx> Blastur, the browser is pretty darn good. Not as fast as on a desktop or laptop of course
May 13 21:04:16 <ricko73> volume output could be better.  I notice that when inputting into my car stereo
May 13 21:04:26 <johnx> and some really fancy sites are pretty slow, such as google maps
May 13 21:04:31 <ricko73> must have the car stereo much louder than normal to listen to podcasts
May 13 21:04:50 <Blastur> ricko73: well, im used to browsing the web on a cheap ass V360 motorola phone using Opera Mini .. if it does it better than that, im good :)
May 13 21:04:54 <acydlord> yeah, i have to have the     volume all the way up in a quiet setting to hear skype with the headset plugged in
May 13 21:05:04 <elb> I noticed that with my 810, I assumed it was my FM dongle
May 13 21:05:22 <Blafasel> johnx: Actually no, but using one of those really nice bluetooth headsets from Nokia? YES! ;)
May 13 21:05:40 <liquid217> Blastur: As someone who has used opera mini, and microb both... there is no comparison.. microb is a great browser
May 13 21:07:02 <Blafasel> Anyway: Nice to see that most/all owners in here talk about deficiencies, admitting that the device has flaws. No stupid "Greatest thing EVA" comments
May 13 21:07:31 <KotCzarny> yes, it's very nice
May 13 21:07:39 <KotCzarny> i like the free sdk
May 13 21:07:51 <Navi> The iPhone is the GREATEST THING EVA
May 13 21:07:51 <KotCzarny> and ability to compile most software for linux out of the box
May 13 21:07:52 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 21:07:57 <Blastur> right now its n810 vs eee for me.. but the n810 seems so much more suitable for me, given its extremly small size
May 13 21:08:17 <ricko73> Blastur: different device class imo
May 13 21:08:18 <elb> I don't really see the n810 and the eee in the same space
May 13 21:08:19 <qwerty12_N800> Navi, now i want to stab you for saying that
May 13 21:08:25 <Navi> I'm already dead
May 13 21:08:34 <Navi> GA stabbed me to a billion pieces, remember?
May 13 21:08:37 <acydlord> the eee doesnt fit in your pocket :p
May 13 21:08:40 <Blafasel> I own both, they are not easily comparable.
May 13 21:08:45 <elb> can you stab a fairy to death?
May 13 21:08:54 <Navi> Hey! I'll just come back.
May 13 21:09:09 <elb> a freaking annoying ass fairy
May 13 21:09:15 <elb> which I have tried to stab multiple times
May 13 21:09:36 <elb> Hey!  Listen!
May 13 21:09:46 <qwerty12_N800> lmao. navi's all sweetness ^-^
May 13 21:10:00 <KotCzarny> elb: raid
May 13 21:10:02 <elb> until there's a monster that hangs from the ceiling
May 13 21:10:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 21:10:16 <elb> KotCzarny: hah have you seen that Exploitation Now?
May 13 21:10:24 <Navi> elb, have you seen the Powerpuff Girls spoof on Zelda?
May 13 21:10:53 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 21:11:16 <elb> Navi: heh no
May 13 21:11:21 <Navi> elb, http://youtube.com/watch?v=FTVkOyp1vxI
May 13 21:11:22 <Navi> It's great
May 13 21:11:24 <Navi> :D
May 13 21:12:17 <elb> hmmm the EN archives don't seem to be searchable
May 13 21:12:36 <elb> anyway, it's a moogle pointing a can of bug spray at a fairy and commanding her to "shake her yam-yams"
May 13 21:14:19 <Navi> heh
May 13 21:14:58 <KotCzarny> btw. your earlier method (stabbing in the a**) invokes some interracial pr0n images
May 13 21:14:59 <KotCzarny> :>
May 13 21:16:14 <ricko73> what's the code name for the latest release?
May 13 21:16:18 <ricko73> Chinook?
May 13 21:16:23 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 21:16:30 <KotCzarny> but diablo is just round the corner
May 13 21:16:50 <acydlord> just around the corner, tentitavely
May 13 21:17:00 <ricko73> sometimes that's a long corner
May 13 21:17:14 <KotCzarny> some people already run it
May 13 21:17:15 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 21:17:32 <Blafasel> You know that fairies are evil after this: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=74
May 13 21:19:05 <Navi> Yeah, I've read that
May 13 21:24:52 <Navi> Next meeting would probably be better moderated
May 13 21:24:57 <Navi> assuming there is a next
May 13 21:26:16 <acydlord> yeah
May 13 21:26:44 <acydlord> like a pastebin for the questions ahead of time
May 13 21:27:16 <Navi> ...
May 13 21:27:24 <Navi> Or taking advantage of IRC moderation features :/
May 13 21:28:06 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 13 21:35:37 * qwerty12-rollin is hacking diablo repo. i figured out how this user and p/w is calculated, just got to base64  encode a cookie and see if it works.
May 13 21:36:03 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 13 21:36:07 <GeneralAntilles> Bad boy! :P
May 13 21:36:42 <qwerty12-rollin> It's actually publicly documented by the same guy we've both fucked over :p
May 13 21:36:56 <Navi> :P
May 13 21:36:56 <qwerty12-rollin> no one has realised it tho
May 13 21:37:06 <Navi> haxor
May 13 21:37:10 <Navi> goes away!
May 13 21:37:13 <Navi> Public channel!
May 13 21:37:14 <KotCzarny> that's what you've got for dealing with hax0rz
May 13 21:37:30 <qwerty12-rollin> I used no hacking tools ;)
May 13 21:37:45 <KotCzarny> google is a hacking tool
May 13 21:37:48 <KotCzarny> didn't you know?
May 13 21:37:52 <qwerty12-rollin> like i said, it's documented ;) ;p
May 13 21:38:13 <qwerty12-rollin> i used common sense and put 2+2 together
May 13 21:39:06 <qwerty12-rollin> if i cant figure it out, i'll let you in on it ;p
May 13 21:40:13 * qwerty12-rollin feels sorry for mvo once again
May 13 21:40:27 <KotCzarny> mvo?
May 13 21:40:38 <qwerty12-rollin> marius vollmer
May 13 21:48:38 <MajMin7> so im kinda surprised to see that, in maemo-mapper, they use a socket to communicate with the GPSD.
May 13 21:49:01 <MajMin7> is this the typical method?
May 13 21:57:01 <qwerty12-rollin> KotCzarny, want me to check something repo? ;)
May 13 21:57:11 <KotCzarny> hmm?
May 13 21:57:47 <qwerty12-rollin> remember that pwd'ed repo with pron in it :p
May 13 21:58:29 <KotCzarny> the one some people have mirrored?
May 13 21:59:01 <qwerty12-rollin> nah, dnt worry :)
May 13 21:59:12 <Navi> My upload speed is as slow as johnx's
May 13 21:59:14 <Navi> :P
May 13 21:59:24 <Navi> What happened to the other people that were mirroring?
May 13 21:59:35 <johnx> Navi, haven't given them the link yet
May 13 21:59:42 <johnx> have been distracted by breakfast :P
May 13 21:59:48 <Navi> :P
May 13 21:59:59 <Navi> Give the slowest the download link first eh?
May 13 22:00:05 <Navi> I need the head start.
May 13 22:06:36 <lardman> mm, breakfast; only 8 hours away
May 13 22:07:23 <johnx> lardman, I live in the future! breakfast is now. :D
May 13 22:07:37 <GeneralAntilles> johnx and his dirty damn timezone lies. . . .
May 13 22:10:10 * johnx has a timezone superiority complex :D
May 13 22:11:23 <KotCzarny> pft
May 13 22:11:28 <KotCzarny> i have my personal timezone
May 13 22:11:36 <KotCzarny> no one else has the same
May 13 22:11:37 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 22:11:47 <ricko73> gah, no problems with the upgrad other than now the newly installed Canola doesn't run
May 13 22:11:48 <elb> I assume you believe that Zulu is superior to all others
May 13 22:11:50 <elb> because it is
May 13 22:12:03 <qwerty12-rollin> KotCzarny, moved planet?
May 13 22:12:26 <KotCzarny> more like reprogrammed mind
May 13 22:12:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 22:12:36 <johnx> I'd like to announce Debian beta3 and then go to sleep, in that order!
May 13 22:14:04 <Blafasel> What's the talk about "mirroring"?
May 13 22:14:39 <Blafasel> What? For whom?
May 13 22:15:36 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo update repo.
May 13 22:15:57 <johnx> debian here: http://debian.i2c3.com
May 13 22:16:56 <Blafasel> johnx: You need a mirror for that?
May 13 22:17:10 <johnx> uhm well I've had two people step forward
May 13 22:17:14 <johnx> but the more the merrier :)
May 13 22:17:38 <lsobral> ricko73, to fix canola you need to disable the extras-devel repository, run canola-cleanup and reinstall canola
May 13 22:17:43 <Blafasel> Ok - won't do it if you don't see a need.
May 13 22:18:10 <ricko73> lsobral: in that order or can I run the canola-cleanup first
May 13 22:18:39 <qwerty12-rollin> KotCzarny, remember http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/something/ ? i can tell you it is nothing ;)
May 13 22:18:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 22:18:47 <lsobral> you can run the cleanup first
May 13 22:20:21 <jdiaz> I'm trying to plug a ps/2 keyboard to the tablet, through a PS/2->USB converter
May 13 22:20:34 <KotCzarny> jdiaz: watch the power rating
May 13 22:20:41 <ricko73> lsobral: I'm not seeing extras-devel
May 13 22:20:50 <jdiaz> KotCzarny, the conection goes through a self-powered hub
May 13 22:20:56 <KotCzarny> ahm, ok
May 13 22:21:02 <jdiaz> lsusb shows the device
May 13 22:21:02 * Jaffa finishes catching up with the meeting log
May 13 22:21:04 <lsobral> ricko73, you don't have extras-devel in your repository list?
May 13 22:21:18 <jdiaz> it is listed as a Human Interface Device (Keyboard)
May 13 22:21:26 <jdiaz> however, I type and nothing appears
May 13 22:21:36 <ricko73> nope.  I have maemo Extras, but not extras-devel
May 13 22:21:40 <jdiaz> the same keyboard through the same usb adaptor runs ok in my ubuntu desktop
May 13 22:21:56 <jdiaz> any clue?
May 13 22:22:11 <ricko73> lsobral: I did have Community Canola Temp which I've now disabled
May 13 22:22:25 <lsobral> ricko73, ok, then try reinstalling canola.
May 13 22:22:45 <lsobral> it the problem persists the run canola -vv from the terminal. this should print some debugging msg
May 13 22:23:04 <ricko73> lsobral: yeah, when I ran it from the cli there were some python erros
May 13 22:23:08 <ricko73> errors rather
May 13 22:23:18 <jdiaz> I got a "Unsupported Device" message in the tablet, but I ignored it, because it appears whatever I plug :-)
May 13 22:23:38 <ricko73> libeet.so.0 cannot fine open shared object file
May 13 22:23:53 <lsobral> ricko73, yes, that's a known issue
May 13 22:24:17 <ricko73> lsobral: is there a known fix?
May 13 22:24:24 <lsobral> reinstalling canola without extras-devel should fix your problem
May 13 22:24:37 <ricko73> well let's see if this works
May 13 22:25:07 <lsobral> ricko73, in case it does not work, stop by #canola
May 13 22:25:18 <ricko73> will do
May 13 22:25:27 <jdiaz> keyboard leds flashed when plugged, but then remained unlit
May 13 22:25:47 <ricko73> web browser seems marginally faster with the latest firmware
May 13 22:25:55 <jdiaz> when plugged to the desktop, however, NumLock remains lit
May 13 22:26:04 <jdiaz> and the keyboard works
May 13 22:31:05 <jdiaz> anyone can make sense of the dmsg log when the keyboard was plugged?
May 13 22:31:08 <jdiaz> it is at http://rafb.net/p/nq4CXk47.html
May 13 22:31:10 <jdiaz> thanks
May 13 22:32:56 <KotCzarny> looks like it's ok
May 13 22:33:34 <jdiaz> it looked ok to me too... thanks for answering
May 13 22:33:38 <ricko73> ack!  the extra-devel was called "Maemo testing" or something like that
May 13 22:34:00 <jdiaz> however, the keyboard remains off, and the tablet gets no input from it
May 13 22:34:56 <jdiaz> in my ubuntu, the output of dmesg is a lot terser
May 13 22:35:04 <jdiaz> but there is a line:
May 13 22:35:19 <jdiaz> [6464132.357000] input: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [Generic USB K/B] on usb-0000:00:1f.2-1.3
May 13 22:35:26 <jdiaz> [6464132.387000] usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
May 13 22:35:26 <jdiaz> [6464132.387000] drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.01:USB HID core driver
May 13 22:35:37 <jdiaz> this does not appear in the tablet
May 13 22:35:48 <jdiaz> the driver hid-core is not loaded in the tablet
May 13 22:36:28 <jdiaz> can I insert it manually?
May 13 22:36:48 <pupnik> taking it back to #maemo proper
May 13 22:37:02 <lardman> night chaps
May 13 22:37:41 <johnx> jdiaz, HID and usb stuff is compiled into the kernel on the tablet, not as a module
May 13 22:39:18 <jdiaz> there is a folder: /sys/module/usbhid/drivers
May 13 22:41:38 <jdiaz> what means the line in dmesg:
May 13 22:41:40 <jdiaz> [47440.078125] usb 1-1.1: adding 1-1.1:1.1 (config #1, interface 1)
May 13 22:42:00 <jdiaz> does it mean that the keyboard is added as a /dev or something?
May 13 22:42:01 <johnx> probably that's adding a new usb device with the first configuration
May 13 22:42:12 <johnx> it might not be in /dev
May 13 22:42:25 <jdiaz> but should be usable?
May 13 22:42:43 <johnx> it's possible that the PS/2 <-> USB adapter you're using isn't on the small whitelist of usb devices allowed to work in Nokia's kernel
May 13 22:43:08 <jdiaz> that makes sense
May 13 22:43:19 <jdiaz> because in the desktop pc it does work
May 13 22:43:51 <jdiaz> it was a cheap one, from a chinese shop
May 13 22:44:32 <jdiaz> however, some kind of error message should be expected in dmesg, doesn't?
May 13 22:44:41 <johnx> I honestly don't know
May 13 22:44:53 <jdiaz> in fact, a message pops out in the tablet "desktop"
May 13 22:44:56 <johnx> it could be demanding too much power as well, and being shut down
May 13 22:45:08 <jdiaz> "USB device not supported"
May 13 22:45:09 <johnx> that message pops up for everything though
May 13 22:45:11 <johnx> my keyboard too
May 13 22:45:14 <jdiaz> yep
May 13 22:45:16 <johnx> except my keyboard works
May 13 22:45:30 <jdiaz> I also tried a truly usb keyboard, and it worked too
May 13 22:47:01 <Grackle> aw, I can't make a pump with phun
May 13 22:47:07 <Grackle> oops wrong window
May 13 22:47:15 <johnx> O_o
May 13 22:47:17 <qwerty12-rollin> lol
May 13 22:47:27 <qwerty12-rollin> pump?
May 13 22:47:35 <Grackle> http://www.phun.at/
May 13 22:47:46 <Grackle> It's a cool physics modeling thing
May 13 22:47:59 <Grackle> like crayon physics but more elaborate
May 13 22:48:37 <johnx> new Debian beta3 w/ XFCE release out here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian
May 13 22:48:41 <qwerty12-rollin> nice
May 13 22:48:43 <qwerty12-rollin> nice
May 13 22:48:53 <Grackle> oo nice indeed
May 13 22:48:56 <johnx> if you run into problems please add something to the bugs/known issues section of the page
May 13 22:49:40 <johnx> I'm gonna catch some sleep and if it doesn't set anyone's tablet on fire I'll post to ITT when I wake up
May 13 22:50:06 <johnx> anyone have quick questions about it, though?
May 13 22:50:33 <GeneralAntilles> Sound?
May 13 22:50:40 <johnx> works
May 13 22:50:42 <GeneralAntilles> :drool:
May 13 22:50:47 <johnx> mpd+gmpc+ncmpc+mpc :P
May 13 22:50:57 <johnx> all on by default
May 13 22:51:03 <johnx> call it feature bloat if you want
May 13 22:51:38 <GeneralAntilles> Link again? :P
May 13 22:51:40 <qwerty12-rollin> hehe we got them all on maemo cept gmpc = mmpc and navi compiled ncmpc :p
May 13 22:51:47 <Navi> Did I?
May 13 22:52:02 <Navi> johnx, feature bloat!
May 13 22:52:03 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian
May 13 22:52:11 <johnx> Navi, fine I'll pull ncmpc :P
May 13 22:52:15 <qwerty12-rollin> Navi, not released it  but i remember screenie
May 13 22:52:22 <Navi> johnx, I was just kidding :(
May 13 22:52:25 <Navi> qwerty12-rollin, oh yeah.
May 13 22:52:29 <johnx> Navi, :D
May 13 22:52:33 <Navi> The sidebar xterm with ncmpc
May 13 22:52:39 <Navi> that was fun
May 13 22:52:57 <qwerty12-rollin> what happened  to it?
May 13 22:53:36 <Navi> I reflashed and never set it back up
May 13 22:53:46 <qwerty12-rollin> ah :(, that soon
May 13 22:53:50 <qwerty12-rollin> ?
May 13 22:54:04 <Navi> Diablo upgrade, remember?
May 13 22:54:28 <Navi> I was stuck without a working modest and browser
May 13 22:54:31 <qwerty12-rollin> oh :(
May 13 22:55:03 <KotCzarny> breakfast.. mmm
May 13 22:55:12 <johnx> qwerty12-rollin, speaking of mpd and maemo I can probably point out a way to use mpd in maemo without having to use esd for sound output :)
May 13 22:55:49 <qwerty12-rollin> johnx, cool :). esd is only clean sounding option atm.
May 13 22:56:11 <jdiaz> gotta sleep
May 13 22:56:15 <KotCzarny> what about gst?
May 13 22:56:18 <johnx> qwerty12-rollin, yup, was for debian too, til I found another way :D
May 13 22:56:36 <jdiazZzZz> see you
May 13 22:56:45 <johnx> 'night jdiazZzZz
May 13 22:56:49 <Navi> night
May 13 22:56:54 <KotCzarny> day
May 13 22:56:58 <qwerty12-rollin> johnx, nice :)
May 13 22:56:59 <KotCzarny> sunny day
May 13 22:57:11 <KotCzarny> too sunny for my taste
May 13 22:57:16 <Navi> I need to install fanoush's initfs
May 13 22:57:44 <johnx> yup, maybe I'll do a "one shot" installer later
May 13 22:58:05 <Navi> weird
May 13 22:58:09 <johnx> but for now I think that anyone who is afraid to install fanoush-initfs won't get much out of debian anyways
May 13 22:58:11 <Navi> I already have the file downlaoded
May 13 22:58:20 <KotCzarny> i'm not
May 13 22:58:27 <KotCzarny> afraid
May 13 22:58:30 <Navi> I'm afraid
May 13 22:58:33 <Navi> I'm very afraid
May 13 22:58:44 <johnx> afraid you might like it?
May 13 22:59:04 <Navi> I'm afraid my little brother will steal my N800 and yank the battery out
May 13 22:59:16 <qwerty12-rollin> penguinbait made one  shot initfs flasher
May 13 22:59:24 <KotCzarny> grey tape
May 13 22:59:41 <johnx> yeah, but I'd like something a little more configurable...also, his clones to sd at the same time IIRC
May 13 23:00:04 <qwerty12-rollin> true but that could be ripped oout
May 13 23:01:05 <johnx> I suppose
May 13 23:01:10 <johnx> I haven't looked at it yet
May 13 23:01:57 <KotCzarny> i would hate if somthing touched my bootmenu.conf
May 13 23:02:01 <KotCzarny> without asking
May 13 23:02:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:02:17 <johnx> that's why I think two scripts might be nice :)
May 13 23:02:24 <KotCzarny> good :)
May 13 23:02:57 <johnx> still, like I said: If you don't want to bother with fanoush initfs then Debian has nothing for you anyways
May 13 23:03:09 <johnx> not at this point anyways
May 13 23:03:38 <qwerty12-rollin> johnx, I would like to use debian but diablo initfs atm
May 13 23:03:48 <KotCzarny> johnx, i think there could be a way to boot debian using /etc/rc2.d
May 13 23:03:49 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:03:58 <johnx> KotCzarny, you're welcome to try
May 13 23:04:08 <KotCzarny> it's a simple chroot anyway
May 13 23:04:16 <johnx> I'm only interested in things that have the maximum reward/effort ratio
May 13 23:04:25 <KotCzarny> i did it on redhat/slackware some time ago
May 13 23:04:39 <KotCzarny> but it's a highly rewarding
May 13 23:04:44 <KotCzarny> no initfs messing
May 13 23:04:47 <KotCzarny> no reflashing
May 13 23:05:01 <KotCzarny> single script to boot into debian from stock os2008
May 13 23:05:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:05:24 <johnx> honestly I'd rather mess with initfs which is easy to reflash then mess with people's OS2008 install
May 13 23:05:29 <Navi> johnx, can you configure the keyboard you're using in the screenie?
May 13 23:05:35 <rm_you> :P
May 13 23:05:46 <johnx> configure? how?
May 13 23:05:54 <rm_you> <johnx> I'm only interested in things that have the maximum reward/effort ratio
May 13 23:06:05 <rm_you> we think very alike :P
May 13 23:06:11 <KotCzarny> johnx: how about 'press dpad to boot into debian or timeout to boot unchanged'
May 13 23:06:19 <rm_you> i spent the last week of my senior project prioritizing on that :P
May 13 23:06:32 <johnx> KotCzarny, right, and if my script screws up then your OS2008 is unbootable
May 13 23:06:42 <johnx> rm_you, it's a good policy
May 13 23:06:44 <KotCzarny> how can it screw?
May 13 23:06:47 <rm_you> yeah, fanoush(?)'s initfs thing is great already
May 13 23:06:50 <rm_you> why mess with it?
May 13 23:06:55 <KotCzarny> if dpad pressed, override
May 13 23:06:55 <johnx> I dunno, hang if some file isn't in the right place?
May 13 23:06:59 <KotCzarny> if not, do nothing
May 13 23:07:15 <KotCzarny> kind of opt-in
May 13 23:07:15 <johnx> KotCzarny, if you want to set that up I won't stop you
May 13 23:07:19 <johnx> but I don't see the point
May 13 23:07:19 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:07:48 <KotCzarny> <johnx> but for now I think that anyone who is afraid to install fanoush-initfs
May 13 23:08:09 <johnx> yes, and?
May 13 23:08:20 <KotCzarny> and it was just a suggestion
May 13 23:08:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:09:16 <johnx> I appreciate the thought, and it might be something worth doing, so definitely give it a try and post it :)
May 13 23:10:08 <KotCzarny> maybe one day :)
May 13 23:10:16 <KotCzarny> right now i'm happy with bootmenu
May 13 23:11:10 <qwerty12-rollin> fanoush has a few plans for bootmenu ;)
May 13 23:11:16 <Navi> sexy
May 13 23:11:59 <johnx> Navi, there are other OSKs available for debian IIRC
May 13 23:12:06 <johnx> I'm gonna try cell writer though :D
May 13 23:12:10 <Navi> mmk
May 13 23:12:11 <Navi> Ooh
May 13 23:12:17 <Navi> HWR?
May 13 23:12:21 <johnx> yup
May 13 23:12:32 <johnx> it will be interesting
May 13 23:12:39 <Navi> very much so
May 13 23:13:09 <KotCzarny> nice idea, scanner+ocr+scripting language
May 13 23:13:10 <johnx> I also might turn on some swap or switch desktop environments now :/
May 13 23:13:15 <Navi> bootloader installed
May 13 23:13:18 <Navi> woo
May 13 23:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, SSU + initfs could be a problematic issue.
May 13 23:13:40 <GeneralAntilles> and kernel, too.
May 13 23:13:41 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, good point
May 13 23:13:54 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody want to make a preemptive strike on bugzilla?
May 13 23:13:57 <johnx> maybe I'll look at that init script after Diablo official
May 13 23:14:26 <johnx> actually, running kexec from inside maemo is like the best of all possible worlds :)
May 13 23:14:47 <KotCzarny>  /etc/rc2.d way?
May 13 23:14:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 23:14:49 <GeneralAntilles> Althought initfs and kernel updates wont be coming fast enough to make it a big issue.
May 13 23:15:17 <johnx> KotCzarny, either in an init script or through some other method
May 13 23:15:27 <KotCzarny> desktop icon?
May 13 23:15:29 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:15:45 <johnx> desktop icon + sudo + script that runs at the end of rc6.d
May 13 23:15:53 <KotCzarny> rc6 is a shutdown
May 13 23:15:56 <KotCzarny> bad idea
May 13 23:15:57 <johnx> yeah
May 13 23:15:57 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:16:00 <johnx> kexec :)
May 13 23:16:06 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
May 13 23:16:11 <GeneralAntilles> That's the most irritating bug ever.
May 13 23:16:11 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, eh?
May 13 23:16:15 <johnx> ah
May 13 23:16:17 <GeneralAntilles> Text box looks focused, but it's not.
May 13 23:16:21 <johnx> yeah
May 13 23:16:25 <johnx> still happening in diablo?
May 13 23:16:36 <GeneralAntilles> i.e., open MicroB, let it load the default homepage
May 13 23:16:49 <johnx> yeah, I know I kind of hate that one...
May 13 23:16:49 <GeneralAntilles> press dpad center to bring up the fullscreen keyboard
May 13 23:16:56 <GeneralAntilles> It takes you to google.com
May 13 23:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> press it again
May 13 23:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> it takes you to google.com again.
May 13 23:17:11 <GeneralAntilles> You never actually get a keyboard
May 13 23:17:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's actually worse in this Diablo release.
May 13 23:17:20 <KotCzarny> sound like a broken config
May 13 23:17:24 <KotCzarny> sounds
May 13 23:17:36 <GeneralAntilles> Tapping the field to bring up the vkb STILL takes you to google.com again.
May 13 23:17:50 <GeneralAntilles> Unlike Chinook where it at least gave you the fullscreen keyboard after that.
May 13 23:17:54 <qwerty12-rollin> agreed, when i was reading that file, it was killing my innput method.
May 13 23:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> I believe I actually bitched at timeless about it at some point
May 13 23:18:30 <GeneralAntilles> I recall getting a "UI spec" answer. :\
May 13 23:18:30 <johnx> Navi, tablet on fire yet?
May 13 23:18:30 <KotCzarny> that's why i like unhildonized apps + xvkbd
May 13 23:18:43 <Navi> johnx, it totally exploded
May 13 23:18:46 <GeneralAntilles> Navi's always flaming.
May 13 23:18:48 <johnx> awesome!
May 13 23:19:00 <Navi> I need to reformat my SD card ext3
May 13 23:19:07 <Navi> but I'm being lazy
May 13 23:19:10 <johnx> or ext2
May 13 23:19:15 <GeneralAntilles> ext3 is a good way to burn it out.
May 13 23:19:20 <KotCzarny> not true
May 13 23:19:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:19:22 <Navi> but it's so fun :P
May 13 23:19:36 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it's also a good way to make crashes non-catestrophic
May 13 23:19:39 <KotCzarny> ga: stop repeating that lie over and over
May 13 23:19:43 <pupnik> what game/emulator are you interested in using it with jdiz?
May 13 23:19:44 <GeneralAntilles> Navi iz teh SD card killer.
May 13 23:19:49 <pupnik> oh sorry stuck in scrollback
May 13 23:19:51 <Navi> i kno rite
May 13 23:20:32 <johnx> KotCzarny, well it's not good for it at any rate
May 13 23:20:53 <KotCzarny> johnx: still i have yet to see my flash cards to crap out under ext3
May 13 23:21:03 <KotCzarny> and it's few years of continuous use
May 13 23:21:06 <KotCzarny> already
May 13 23:21:08 <johnx> yeah, and a lot of people have yet to die driving drunk
May 13 23:21:18 <KotCzarny> johnx: many died
May 13 23:21:26 <KotCzarny> and you can find those reports easily
May 13 23:21:41 <Navi> I'm pretty sure that was the point.
May 13 23:21:44 <johnx> that's because a *death* was involved rather than an SD card dying
May 13 23:21:44 <KotCzarny> but i haven't seen many bitchings about bad card because of ext3 (with proof)
May 13 23:22:03 <johnx> it's pretty hard to trace the cause of death of a dead SD card
May 13 23:22:04 <Navi> KotCzarny, I'll send you my 512MB SD card.
May 13 23:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> johnx/rm_you, there any working backlight applets for Debian-on-maemo/what would be involved in getting adv-backlight running under xfce?
May 13 23:22:11 <johnx> for all intents and purposes it turns into a piece of plastic
May 13 23:22:22 <KotCzarny> hehe, navi, but was it ext3 abuse?
May 13 23:22:26 <KotCzarny> or something else? :P
May 13 23:22:26 <Navi> No
May 13 23:22:29 <rm_you> lol
May 13 23:22:31 <Navi> I rarely wrote to it
May 13 23:22:36 <KotCzarny> then it's not related
May 13 23:22:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:22:39 <rm_you> GA: duplicating dsme and the init hroot in debian
May 13 23:22:45 <KotCzarny> there are bad cars too
May 13 23:22:46 <rm_you> *chroot
May 13 23:22:46 <Navi> Of course it is
May 13 23:22:55 <rm_you> we'd have to use their binaries
May 13 23:22:58 <KotCzarny> that can bring death to not drunk people
May 13 23:22:59 <Navi> I was transferring music and it died out halfway
May 13 23:23:05 <johnx> plus, adv-backlight is a hildon-statusbar applet, while xfce wants normal systray applets
May 13 23:23:10 <rm_you> yeah
May 13 23:23:13 <rm_you> i'd have to convert it
May 13 23:23:17 <rm_you> which wouldnt be to bad
May 13 23:23:18 <qwerty12-rollin> what about  using fanoush's kernel and blset for time being
May 13 23:23:22 <GeneralAntilles> Thus the question. :P
May 13 23:23:23 <johnx> rm_you, debian has access to initfs anyways
May 13 23:23:27 <rm_you> tho i assume there really ISNT a working way to change the brightness yet
May 13 23:23:37 <KotCzarny> qwerty: you still want systray method for setting it
May 13 23:23:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:23:39 <johnx> a better option might be the standard gnome backlight app
May 13 23:23:48 <rm_you> does it work?
May 13 23:23:53 <rm_you> or would we need to mod it
May 13 23:23:54 <johnx> since we can just tweak backlight settings in /sys now
May 13 23:23:58 <rm_you> oh?!
May 13 23:24:01 <johnx> should just need to mod the path
May 13 23:24:09 <rm_you> debian doesnt need the chroot bull@*#($?
May 13 23:24:12 <johnx> rm_you, well in debian we're not fighting dsme/bme all the time
May 13 23:24:34 <KotCzarny> johnx: btw. can you charge battery in debian?
May 13 23:24:47 <johnx> KotCzarny, as long as you let bme run from initfs, yes
May 13 23:25:07 <Navi> would kinda suck if you couldn't :P
May 13 23:25:18 <johnx> though it might affect the time it takes to charge...I don't know if something in userland might tell bme "OK, battery is almost empty so charge fast"
May 13 23:25:44 <KotCzarny> heh
May 13 23:26:10 <johnx> it would be dumb if that was the case...but we are talking about a device with battery charging being in userland ...
May 13 23:26:16 <KotCzarny> i think the idea while charging is how fast voltage rises and temp. reading
May 13 23:27:11 <johnx> rm_you, echo 10 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
May 13 23:27:29 <johnx> that's all that's needed
May 13 23:27:38 <johnx> and it doesn't do that ridiculous slow fade either :)
May 13 23:28:34 <KotCzarny> slow fade is cute
May 13 23:28:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 23:29:01 <qwerty12-rollin> meh
May 13 23:29:05 <johnx> it would be acceptable if it was a little faster and less flickery
May 13 23:29:24 <Navi> Hmm
May 13 23:29:43 <Navi> I guess I'll attempt to start formatting my SD card by backing up everything on it
May 13 23:29:55 <johnx> rsync is your friend :)
May 13 23:30:01 <Navi> i kno rite?
May 13 23:30:09 <johnx> just sayin' :P
May 13 23:30:21 <Navi> no point, actually
May 13 23:31:07 <johnx> it's so nice to be able to just pop the sd card into a reader and take a snapshot of the system at a given point and restore to it
May 13 23:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> Why the hell does the browser warn "No homepage defined" when my homepage is damn well defined as "about:blank" . . . .
May 13 23:31:15 <johnx> heh
May 13 23:31:18 <johnx> I like that one
May 13 23:31:20 <KotCzarny> johnx: dd
May 13 23:31:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:31:27 <KotCzarny> ah, sorry
May 13 23:31:31 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it still lets you do it thought, right?
May 13 23:31:31 <KotCzarny> misread
May 13 23:31:33 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:31:33 <Navi> Kot has a dd fetish
May 13 23:31:42 <johnx> KotCzarny, I should look at rdiff actually
May 13 23:31:44 <GeneralAntilles> Hooray for the fucking UI spec.
May 13 23:31:50 * GeneralAntilles still wants that damn bugzilla component.
May 13 23:31:57 * GeneralAntilles considers filing a bug for it.
May 13 23:32:14 <KotCzarny> johnx: i find dd less hassle
May 13 23:32:26 <johnx> your choice of course
May 13 23:32:29 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 23:32:36 <KotCzarny> it's good to have a choice :)
May 13 23:32:45 <johnx> I do lots of incremental stuff and I enjoy not having to copy the whole size of the partition every backup
May 13 23:33:05 <KotCzarny> i rarely do backups
May 13 23:33:14 <KotCzarny> so it's more like snapshots
May 13 23:33:36 <Navi> I'd backup, but I don't have a big 'nuff HDD to do so anymore
May 13 23:33:58 <KotCzarny> use internet then?
May 13 23:34:05 <johnx> yeah, I need a terabyte drive
May 13 23:34:16 <Navi> I don't need that much :P
May 13 23:34:38 <johnx> for a full backup of everything, a terabyte should do
May 13 23:34:44 <Navi> a 500GB drive to back up my family's stuff is enough
May 13 23:36:02 <KotCzarny> it's never enough :P
May 13 23:36:12 <KotCzarny> though i'm doing fine with 320gb drive now
May 13 23:36:13 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:36:59 <qwerty12-rollin> can anyone with scratchbox get me im-sample armel library from /usr/lib/hildon-input-method/ in chinook armel target?
May 13 23:37:11 <KotCzarny> name the lib?
May 13 23:37:40 <qwerty12-rollin> i think it's hildon-im-sample :/
May 13 23:38:22 <Navi> johnx, try mplayer yet?
May 13 23:38:39 <johnx> Navi, not for video
May 13 23:38:45 <Navi> mmk
May 13 23:38:57 <johnx> we'll want the maemo mplayer anyways
May 13 23:39:07 <johnx> might not even need a recompile
May 13 23:39:17 <johnx> but the debian mplayer is lowest common denominator armv4t
May 13 23:41:25 <GeneralAntilles> Quick, off the top of your head, name three examples of UI spec stupidity!
May 13 23:41:47 <KotCzarny> qwerty: there are only 2 files
May 13 23:41:53 <KotCzarny> hildon-im-plugins.cache  him_vkb_example.so
May 13 23:42:10 <johnx> one click install is 5+ clicks, brightness app has 5 settings with 100+ supported in hardware, bt icon goes away when bt is off
May 13 23:42:12 <KotCzarny> (in sbox of course)
May 13 23:42:37 <KotCzarny> one window at a time
May 13 23:42:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:42:44 <KotCzarny> (for ui spec)
May 13 23:42:46 <johnx> I think one click install never being one click is my favorite though
May 13 23:42:49 <KotCzarny> unmovable
May 13 23:43:07 <qwerty12-rollin> KotCzarny, , him_vkb_example :)
May 13 23:43:39 <qwerty12-rollin> from what i see, it has caps lock on it and probably works in chinook
May 13 23:43:55 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/him_vkb_example.so
May 13 23:44:33 <qwerty12-rollin> thanks :)
May 13 23:44:51 <EruditeHermit> qwerty12-rollin: you around?
May 13 23:45:03 <qwerty12-rollin> yeah
May 13 23:47:26 <EruditeHermit> what is the pw?
May 13 23:47:48 <qwerty12-rollin> i aint saying
May 13 23:47:52 <EruditeHermit> why not?
May 13 23:47:56 <EruditeHermit> pm me
May 13 23:48:14 <EruditeHermit> or I will be stuck with last weeks stuff till the release
May 13 23:48:22 <EruditeHermit> which is potentially more buggy =p
May 13 23:48:22 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:48:42 <qwerty12-rollin> updates work w/out the pass
May 13 23:48:55 <johnx> ^confirmed^
May 13 23:49:16 <EruditeHermit> really
May 13 23:49:21 <EruditeHermit> I tried installing ftd yesterday
May 13 23:49:24 <johnx> scout's honor
May 13 23:49:25 <EruditeHermit> and it 404
May 13 23:49:39 <qwerty12-rollin> ftd isn't an update
May 13 23:49:55 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 13 23:50:01 <KotCzarny> but updates/diablo is 401
May 13 23:50:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:50:29 <qwerty12-rollin> thats when you try browsing it, then when you need pwd
May 13 23:50:42 <KotCzarny> so it depends on user agent?
May 13 23:51:03 <qwerty12-rollin> yeah but you still need pwd too :p
May 13 23:53:26 <slobby_d> what up sluts?
May 13 23:53:43 <KotCzarny> ur mom
May 13 23:53:49 <qwerty12-rollin> lmao
May 13 23:53:57 <johnx> sorry, you just missed the sluts
May 13 23:54:18 <slobby_d> I need to get my thing on with some freaky bitches, y'know what I'm sayin?
May 13 23:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161
May 13 23:54:28 <qwerty12-rollin> slobby_d, dont make me whip you for not doing a good job with that man
May 13 23:54:47 <slobby_d> slobby d ain't do no man
May 13 23:54:58 <slobby_d> though it's nice to see where your mind goes
May 13 23:55:16 <qwerty12-rollin> stop disrespcting your pimp
May 13 23:55:24 <KotCzarny> i hate trolls
May 13 23:55:25 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:55:27 <slobby_d> slobby d has written that down that qwerty12-rollin has homosexual thoughts
May 13 23:55:41 <KotCzarny> and bots too
May 13 23:55:41 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 23:55:50 <slobby_d> slobby d ain't no bot
May 13 23:55:55 <qwerty12-rollin> i think, slobby_d gets paid for doing them ;)
May 13 23:55:59 <slobby_d> slobby d own a chilli joint
May 13 23:56:09 <slobby_d> slobby d makes the best chilli in sandusky ohio
May 13 23:56:30 <slobby_d> alright where the freaky bitches at?
May 13 23:56:52 <slobby_d> who wants chilli?
May 13 23:59:02 <qwerty12-rollin> that was different :/
May 13 23:59:19 <johnx> I'm hungry for chili now :/
May 13 23:59:31 <Navi> :/
May 13 23:59:38 <qwerty12-rollin> 0_o
May 13 23:59:51 <Navi> it took me an hour, but I finally got around to formatting my card ext2
May 13 23:59:57 <Navi> woo \o/
May 14 00:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> Fail
May 14 00:00:12 <Navi> I'm lazy
May 14 00:00:32 <Navi> I'll just finish it off tomorrow
May 14 00:00:49 <johnx> alright, then I'll definitely take this opportunity to get some sleep
May 14 00:00:51 <johnx> 'night all
May 14 00:00:59 <Navi> morning .o/
May 14 00:01:00 <GeneralAntilles> 'night
May 14 00:01:11 <Navi> or is it the afternoon now for you?
May 14 00:01:13 <qwerty12-rollin> night
May 14 00:01:28 <johnx> Navi, morning but who's counting?
May 14 00:01:33 * johnx sleeps
May 14 00:01:33 <Navi> meeeee
May 14 00:01:37 <Navi> bye
May 14 00:01:44 <qwerty12-rollin> it's 1am here - i *should* be getting sleep
May 14 00:03:11 <Navi> you should :P
May 14 00:03:36 <qwerty12-rollin> hehe, yeah :)
May 14 00:11:06 <EruditeHermit> qwerty12-rollin: did they remove whatever it was that you used to figure it out?
May 14 00:11:46 <qwerty12-rollin> i dunno
May 14 00:14:54 <timelyx> Navi: fwiw, i filed a bug last night (tues) which should delay diablo :)
May 14 00:20:28 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, re: the Flash warning enhancement, no, Flashblock does not solve the issue, but something like the Flashblock UI to indicate inline to the user that they're not seeing Flash applets due to Flash being turned off would.
May 14 00:21:21 <timelyx> why doesn't flashblock do it?
May 14 00:21:33 * timelyx uses noscript in firefox and has not really used flashblock(ever)
May 14 00:22:01 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the idea is to indicate to newbies that their Flash isn't working because it's turned off (for whatever reason), not to block Flash.
May 14 00:22:16 <timelyx> so... the problem is ...
May 14 00:22:19 <timelyx> well, threefold
May 14 00:22:45 <timelyx> 1. <object type="application/shockwave-flash"><img src="flash.png" alt="Welcome"></object>
May 14 00:22:50 <GeneralAntilles> A lot of people wonder why YouTube doesn't work and don't realize that it's because something turned their Flash off, and a warning would let them know the reason without them having to jump on here, or ITT, or the mailing lists, etc.
May 14 00:22:55 <timelyx> if you turn off flash, you must see the image or the alt
May 14 00:23:08 <timelyx> if we get this wrong, we fail ACID
May 14 00:23:14 <timelyx> failing ACID is really a terrible idea
May 14 00:23:33 <timelyx> 2. most geckos rely on xul to provide an info banner which stays visible until you dismiss it
May 14 00:23:37 <timelyx> - we don't have xul
May 14 00:24:12 <timelyx> - xul is naturally extensible which makes it easy for an extension (noscript, flashblock) to make its own banners for stuff like this
May 14 00:24:35 <timelyx> trying to make banners in native code and then exposing them as a scriptable layer is way more effort than we'd consider
May 14 00:24:49 <timelyx> we're still hoping to oneday introduce xul to the platform
May 14 00:25:26 <elb> doesn't flashblock have the "click here to see your flash applet" thing?
May 14 00:25:34 <timelyx> that's what i thought
May 14 00:25:36 <timelyx> which is why i'm asking
May 14 00:25:44 <elb> whatever I have installed do that
May 14 00:25:51 <timelyx> it's possible that the microb port doesn't, but it really should
May 14 00:26:00 <elb> s/do/does/
May 14 00:26:01 <infobot> elb meant: whatever I have installed does that
May 14 00:26:07 <elb> infobot: shut up
May 14 00:26:08 <infobot> i'm sorry, master elb
May 14 00:26:19 <KotCzarny> lol
May 14 00:26:25 <timelyx> 3. if you actually intentionally turn off flash (or silverlight, or java, or ...) then you shouldn't be tortured by a stupid message. and writing code to deal with the various don't bother me again cases is very expensive for an edge case.
May 14 00:26:52 <timelyx> -- note: i know that flash can go away on its own. per spec, we aren't allowed to show banners when we run out of memory and start killing features (flash, javascript)
May 14 00:27:33 <GeneralAntilles> Aha, would memory constraints generally be the only (reasonable) way it can go away on its own?
May 14 00:28:09 <timelyx> yes
May 14 00:28:20 <GeneralAntilles> and I assume it comes back on browser restart?
May 14 00:28:27 <timelyx> um... :)
May 14 00:28:40 <timelyx> iirc there was a time when it didn't
May 14 00:28:47 <KotCzarny> no banner, how about 'flash enabled' icon ?
May 14 00:28:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 00:28:50 <timelyx> i believe that for diablo it /should/, but please don't quote me
May 14 00:28:55 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 14 00:28:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yessir
May 14 00:28:58 <timelyx> KotCzarny: click the magnifier
May 14 00:29:03 <timelyx> click plugins/components
May 14 00:29:11 <timelyx> it's either checked, or it isn't
May 14 00:29:16 <timelyx> we're not exactly space wealthy
May 14 00:29:18 <KotCzarny> 2 clicks vs instant info
May 14 00:29:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 00:29:34 <timelyx> if you've seen the rotated screen view w/ browser, you'd know just how space poor we are
May 14 00:29:58 <GeneralAntilles> The "why doesn't Nokia have Flash" responses to this issue are the most worrisome for me. . . .
May 14 00:30:10 <timelyx> and no. adding an indicator for one plugin is a terrible path
May 14 00:30:17 <timelyx> it'd be one thing if we were xul, then i wouldn't care
May 14 00:30:24 <timelyx> but we aren't
May 14 00:30:28 <KotCzarny> timelyx: then status icon ?
May 14 00:30:29 <elb> and then PwdHash would work :-P
May 14 00:30:35 <timelyx> where?
May 14 00:30:48 <KotCzarny> reusable somewhere
May 14 00:30:49 <timelyx> what about js, silverlight, mplayer, ...?
May 14 00:30:58 <KotCzarny> as i said, reusable
May 14 00:31:10 <timelyx> not sure what you mean by that
May 14 00:31:12 <KotCzarny> so component enabled/disabled would blink for a second
May 14 00:31:17 <KotCzarny> then go away
May 14 00:31:19 <timelyx> also, keep in mind that blinking is um, very expensive
May 14 00:31:36 <timelyx> we have people who seem to be paid to yell "you're using a timer, that's against the law"
May 14 00:31:43 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I understand the issues, timelyx, I'll mention it to Krisse.
May 14 00:31:49 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 14 00:32:00 <KotCzarny> blinking is patented?
May 14 00:32:02 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 14 00:32:15 <timelyx> not patented, just patently expensive wrt battery life
May 14 00:32:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 00:32:40 <KotCzarny> if wifi is enabled it doesn't matter anyway
May 14 00:32:46 <KotCzarny> not that much :)
May 14 00:32:54 <timelyx> anyway, i think you'll find that flashblock if it were installed and flash was enabled, would just work
May 14 00:33:34 <timelyx> sadly, given that we're partnered w/ adobe and given that someone thought flash was very valuable, i can't quite imagine shipping flashblock
May 14 00:34:23 <GeneralAntilles> It's not something I think 90% of users would want enabled by default.
May 14 00:34:47 <timelyx> have you tried noscript?
May 14 00:34:52 <timelyx> noscript comes w/ a default whitelist
May 14 00:35:01 <timelyx> anything off the beaten track encounters a Default=No
May 14 00:35:12 <timelyx> but the beaten track covers 90% of my use
May 14 00:35:20 <timelyx> the things that aren't are Bugzillas and MXRs
May 14 00:35:23 <KotCzarny> well flashblock doesn't disable flash
May 14 00:35:25 <timelyx> both of which mostly work w/o js
May 14 00:35:37 <KotCzarny> it just stops it from loading instantly
May 14 00:35:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 00:41:42 <dick-richardson> anyone having difficulty w/openvpn recently?
May 14 00:44:57 <Navi> Hey timelyx
May 14 00:44:57 <pupnik> http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/11/pandora-prototype-demoed-screen-turns-on/
May 14 00:44:59 <pupnik> Pandora Prototype video.  The box takes form
May 14 00:45:23 * timelyx is still reading the backlong
May 14 00:46:24 <GeneralAntilles> Soooo ugly. . . . :P
May 14 00:46:42 <dick-richardson> the n800 wouldn't win any beauty contests :P
May 14 00:46:53 <GeneralAntilles> Would if it were running against this.
May 14 00:47:04 <GeneralAntilles> I like the N800, anyway.
May 14 00:47:32 <KotCzarny> well
May 14 00:47:37 <dick-richardson> I really didn't...but it did everything I needed so I was good
May 14 00:47:40 <KotCzarny> if it has 3d libs and everything
May 14 00:47:46 <KotCzarny> then looks wouldn't matter so much
May 14 00:47:53 <KotCzarny> and would be probably modded by fans
May 14 00:48:03 <pupnik> pandora might be a viable candidate platform for maemo
May 14 00:48:09 <pupnik> that's the reason i posted the link
May 14 00:48:33 <dick-richardson> holy smokes
May 14 00:48:55 <GeneralAntilles> Debian + Matchbox/Hildon is the way to do it, pupnik.
May 14 00:49:23 <pupnik> that makes sense GeneralAntilles
May 14 00:49:27 <dick-richardson> I'm a fan of the win 3.x series
May 14 00:49:32 <dick-richardson> I think there's potential there
May 14 00:50:09 <pupnik> either way, the IT community will benefit from pandora software, and hopefully also vice-versa
May 14 00:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, I think we'll be getting the better end of that deal. :D
May 14 00:50:58 <timelyx> johnx: the reason the browser ui is proprietary is depressing
May 14 00:51:25 <Navi> he went to bed, but I'll route it to him if you answer :D
May 14 00:51:25 <pupnik> ohhhh... n...grrghrlghwatoh
May 14 00:51:27 <timelyx> johnx: fwiw, if you want to see old browser ui code, it can be found
May 14 00:51:33 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sx8CrVLW8
May 14 00:51:38 <pupnik> final fantasy 7 on pandora
May 14 00:51:43 <timelyx> nah, that's all i think i can say publicly
May 14 00:51:45 <pupnik> zodttd got it running in like 3 days
May 14 00:52:00 <timelyx> if qgil manages to publish a more official statement, i'll confirm it :)
May 14 00:52:12 <Navi> yeah, zodttd had the psx4all stuff afterall
May 14 00:52:26 <Navi> pupnik, should be easy enough to steal and make ours :)
May 14 00:52:30 <Grackle> johnx: what's the root password for the new debian image?
May 14 00:52:35 <pupnik> the speed is excellent
May 14 00:52:38 <pupnik> daaang
May 14 00:52:42 <Grackle> oh nevermind
May 14 00:52:46 <Navi> for the N900 anyway
May 14 00:53:10 * timelyx just uses ssh-keygen -t rsa and then installs http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
May 14 00:53:19 <timelyx> it works nicely for becoming root
May 14 00:53:26 <GeneralAntilles> It's really depressing that browser-ui went proprietary.
May 14 00:53:39 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: officially it was never not proprietary
May 14 00:53:44 <GeneralAntilles> Could've been quite useful as a mobile-linux browser.
May 14 00:53:50 <timelyx> any evidence to the contrary is merely in the imagination :)
May 14 00:53:59 <timelyx> (quite vivid, but..)
May 14 00:54:16 <timelyx> personally, i have ZERO love for the browser ui
May 14 00:54:26 <timelyx> and therefore don't really care that it's proprietary
May 14 00:55:41 <Navi> Heh
May 14 00:55:45 <Navi> <_<
May 14 00:55:53 <Navi> Harsh
May 14 00:56:06 <KotCzarny> mmm
May 14 00:56:13 <KotCzarny> looks like they have 3d accel?
May 14 00:56:15 <KotCzarny> or what?
May 14 00:56:42 <pupnik> they do have 3d drivers, but that demo might be software KotCzarny - someone made a very fast software renderer
May 14 00:56:48 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 14 00:56:58 <KotCzarny> yeah, it's fast
May 14 00:58:12 <KotCzarny> no sound though
May 14 00:58:34 <pupnik> he's only had the dev kit for a few days afaik
May 14 00:58:39 <Navi> pupnik, stealings for teh N900
May 14 00:58:40 <KotCzarny> mhm
May 14 00:59:03 <Navi> They have a head start and we get to stealz
May 14 00:59:05 <pupnik> the source is closed Navi, i can't say more
May 14 00:59:09 <Navi> Ew
May 14 00:59:19 <Navi> Attack 'em!
May 14 00:59:29 <Navi> They'll probably share if we ask :P
May 14 00:59:54 <pupnik> i'm not sure we can even get 30fps doing any emulation on the N8x0 right now
May 14 00:59:56 <pupnik> baby steps
May 14 01:00:05 <Navi> Not talking about the N8X0
May 14 01:00:13 <Navi> Thinking ahead to the OMAP3 NITs
May 14 01:00:17 <pupnik> ah
May 14 01:00:43 <pupnik> omap 2420 should run psx4all playably fast
May 14 01:00:52 <Navi> maybe
May 14 01:01:56 <pupnik> i can't get my camera to record a sharp video of my n8x0
May 14 01:02:20 <KotCzarny> more light
May 14 01:02:33 <pupnik> k will try that
May 14 01:02:38 <GeneralAntilles> Better camera!
May 14 01:02:43 <Navi> adjust exposure?
May 14 01:02:50 <Navi> lmfao
May 14 01:02:58 <pupnik> i had brightness all the way up on the screen
May 14 01:03:09 <pupnik> but camera has no video macro mode
May 14 01:03:16 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 14 01:03:24 <GeneralAntilles> Like I said, better camera! :P
May 14 01:05:20 <KotCzarny> then move away and zoom in
May 14 01:05:29 <KotCzarny> and put both things on desk
May 14 01:05:30 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 01:05:52 <pupnik> i did that in the video uploaded to youtube, it can only fill about 300x240 of the 640x480 res
May 14 01:18:26 <MajMin7> ahh
May 14 01:18:27 <MajMin7> so
May 14 01:18:35 <MajMin7> gpsmgr_start always returns -1
May 14 01:18:44 <MajMin7> isn't this the call that's supposed to get everything moving?
May 14 01:19:01 <MajMin7> or is there some other call that starts the gps daemon?
May 14 01:23:11 <Navi> I can't boot from teh mmc :/
May 14 01:23:16 <KotCzarny> fail
May 14 01:23:18 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 01:34:41 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0  OpenGL ES 2.0 shader effects on OMAP3
May 14 01:35:05 <GeneralAntilles> Saw that a few weeks ago
May 14 01:35:08 <GeneralAntilles> Makes me a little giddy.
May 14 01:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> Happy to know we'll be hearing something about PVR later this year.
May 14 01:37:25 <lcuk> well i cant code any more now for a week
May 14 01:38:34 <lcuk> pupnik, would you bring your camera to linuxtag incase i cannot get any footage myself of my software
May 14 01:38:57 <pupnik> sure i will do that
May 14 01:39:12 <pupnik> but my camera right now is almost useless for filming tablet
May 14 01:39:17 <lcuk> its great news about pvr :)
May 14 01:39:23 <pupnik> what news
May 14 01:39:34 <pupnik> personal video recorder?
May 14 01:39:37 <pupnik> or power vr
May 14 01:39:52 <lcuk> :P
May 14 01:40:01 <pupnik> i must have missed that
May 14 01:40:08 <rm_you> ????
May 14 01:40:09 <rm_you> :P
May 14 01:40:12 <lcuk> even gen knows
May 14 01:40:30 <rm_you> powervr is GOING somewhere maybe? :P
May 14 01:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> Quim isn't allowed to say anything right now
May 14 01:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> but more information will be forthcoming later this year
May 14 01:40:41 <rm_you> ooo so yeah
May 14 01:40:46 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I suspect that's just the N900. :P
May 14 01:40:49 <rm_you> how did the thing with quim go
May 14 01:40:52 <rm_you> is there a lot / video?
May 14 01:40:53 <pupnik> ok yeah
May 14 01:40:55 <rm_you> *log
May 14 01:40:56 <GeneralAntilles> Excellent
May 14 01:41:00 <GeneralAntilles> IRC, rm_you.
May 14 01:41:05 <rm_you> ?
May 14 01:41:05 <GeneralAntilles> Poor Quim was inundated.
May 14 01:41:09 <pupnik> lcuk: what is the deal with tickets?
May 14 01:41:11 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html
May 14 01:41:22 <pupnik> do we need to pre-order for passes to linuxtag?
May 14 01:41:28 <lcuk> i dunno, i thought we would get them in germany from quim the night before?
May 14 01:41:44 <rm_you> where/when is linuxtag?
May 14 01:41:53 <rm_you> germany i'm guessing?
May 14 01:42:04 <rm_you> does it stand for LinuxDay? :P
May 14 01:42:05 <pupnik> berlin may 28 - 31
May 14 01:42:05 <lcuk> germany in just under 2 weeks
May 14 01:42:12 <rm_you> hrm
May 14 01:42:20 * rm_you wonders how much a ticket to Germany would cost
May 14 01:42:43 <pupnik> that art otel looks like something from teletubbies lcuk :)  but irrelevant...
May 14 01:42:59 <lcuk> it does look a bit odd, where are you staying - same?
May 14 01:43:19 <pupnik> yes
May 14 01:43:35 <lcuk> cool, then beers on wednesday night :)
May 14 01:43:44 <pupnik> the S-Bahn station is about three blocks north of it
May 14 01:44:10 * rm_you is jealous
May 14 01:44:38 <pupnik> rm_you: where are you?
May 14 01:44:47 <MajMin7> hey lcuk
May 14 01:44:49 <lcuk> if you ask quim about tickets, use the maemo dev thing  - ask it as a general question maybe?
May 14 01:44:54 <lcuk> hi MajMin7
May 14 01:44:57 <MajMin7> lol
May 14 01:45:04 <MajMin7> yea the saga continues
May 14 01:45:06 <MajMin7> but im getting further
May 14 01:45:17 <MajMin7> i now have code that starts the gpsmgr
May 14 01:45:25 <lcuk> well im goin to bed in about 2 minutes, im flying out on holiday tomorrow
May 14 01:45:31 <MajMin7> sok
May 14 01:45:46 <lcuk> my thursday deadline is here
May 14 01:45:49 <MajMin7> the maemo-mapper code uses a socket through localhost to talk to the gps
May 14 01:45:57 <MajMin7> do you know if thats common?
May 14 01:46:11 <lcuk> thats how maemo-mapper uses it i believe
May 14 01:46:11 <MajMin7> (cause its not working)
May 14 01:46:15 <MajMin7> hmm
May 14 01:46:32 <lcuk> have you considered having a look at maemo mapper itself at the core gps bit?
May 14 01:47:08 <MajMin7> yea
May 14 01:47:11 <MajMin7> thats what i have been doing
May 14 01:47:15 <MajMin7> i have emulated their code
May 14 01:47:20 <MajMin7> its just not quite working
May 14 01:47:53 <dick-richardson> random hardlocks on my linux box :(
May 14 01:47:54 <MajMin7> in fact, the maemo mapper code is the only reason why i have anything working
May 14 01:47:56 <MajMin7> lol
May 14 01:48:39 <rm_you> heh
May 14 01:48:51 <rm_you> pupnik: Texas / Washington
May 14 01:49:03 <pupnik> bleh ... are you rich or something?
May 14 01:49:05 <rm_you> >_>
May 14 01:49:09 <rm_you> nah
May 14 01:49:13 <rm_you> live in washington
May 14 01:49:15 <rm_you> school in texas
May 14 01:49:44 <pupnik> ok cause flying out to linuxtag on short notice would be impressive for a student :)
May 14 01:49:48 <rm_you> just finished all my finals tho :P
May 14 01:49:55 <rm_you> well, i do have a pretty decent paying job
May 14 01:50:30 <rm_you> i decided to go to japan last summer to visit johnx, and a month later i was there :P
May 14 01:51:17 <rm_you> and finals just ended here, so i was going to have to fly home anyway, and thats like $300
May 14 01:51:31 <rm_you> so i might as well bump it to like $900 and go to germany for a bit :P
May 14 01:52:15 <pupnik> would be nice to have you there
May 14 01:54:02 <rm_you> how much is it for tickets?
May 14 01:54:08 <rm_you> to linuxtag
May 14 01:54:54 <rm_you> gah, prices went up a bit... $1200 for the round trip
May 14 01:55:56 <KotCzarny> :>
May 14 01:56:07 <KotCzarny> try another line?
May 14 01:56:26 <rm_you> that's on like... travelocity
May 14 01:56:38 <rm_you> mmm Lufthansa :P
May 14 01:57:37 <rm_you> wow
May 14 01:57:43 <rm_you> to germany is a longer flight than to japan >_>
May 14 01:57:47 <rm_you> i guess that makes sense....
May 14 02:00:37 <rm_you> hrm.... maybe for $1000 even on orbitz
May 14 02:01:14 <lcuk> right, gnite pupnik, KotCzarny rm & co
May 14 02:01:23 <KotCzarny> nite nite
May 14 02:01:25 <rm_you> night
May 14 02:10:41 <MajMin7> does anyone know what the control socket for the gps does?
May 14 02:13:20 <mschoolbus> hey everyone
May 14 02:13:40 <Navi> Anyone know what password johnx set for debian?
May 14 02:19:25 <ricko73> Navi: my guess is something that is not quite random enough ;)
May 14 02:19:43 <mschoolbus> Is there a channel regarding ubuntu on arm/n8x0 ?
May 14 02:20:57 <Navi> No
May 14 02:27:00 <rm_you> ahhh
May 14 02:27:06 <rm_you> "april"?
May 14 02:27:07 <rm_you> try that
May 14 02:50:39 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVwoTR5kWCQ&feature=related   awesome platformer game... watch it all
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