**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 16 02:59:57 2008 May 16 03:00:20 yeah May 16 03:00:24 that's why I included it May 16 03:03:45 The N800 and 770 use the same battery, right? May 16 03:03:52 Yeah May 16 03:04:01 Cool, I've got a spare then. May 16 03:05:57 Oh, phew, host mode works. May 16 03:06:04 At first it wasn't going. :X May 16 03:06:10 * Gracana clicked frantically May 16 03:06:44 back to debian May 16 03:08:10 Hrm, I need to re-install the boot menu, don't I.. May 16 03:09:15 hmm? how did you get to debian without boot menu? May 16 03:10:23 I didn't. May 16 03:10:38 Re-flashing overwrites some pieces though May 16 03:10:42 So I need to re-install it May 16 03:10:57 aaah...I misunderstood "back to debian" May 16 03:11:39 hah...speaking of which...I just made my copy of debian unbootable :D May 16 03:11:44 Oh, right, I was attempting. :P May 16 03:11:52 Whoops, what did you do? May 16 03:12:08 I think I put something in rc.local that didn't return :( May 16 03:12:24 oh hehe May 16 03:14:00 Is it just me or does the matchbox keyboard set itself as a dock? May 16 03:14:10 resizes all of my maximized windows May 16 03:14:19 it sets strange window properties May 16 03:14:32 it works best with matchbox wm of course :) May 16 03:14:37 I wish it set itself on the bottom May 16 03:14:46 the top is retarded May 16 03:14:48 devilspie May 16 03:15:28 nah May 16 03:15:34 it's pushing all of my windows down May 16 03:15:49 I'll show you in a sec May 16 03:16:43 aaah...top of the screen or top of the stack? May 16 03:16:53 top of the screen May 16 03:17:00 ok May 16 03:17:09 well, the answer is still devilspie May 16 03:17:19 just give me a second. May 16 03:17:25 sure May 16 03:18:10 http://www.xenf.net/images/matchbox-keyboard-fullscreen.png May 16 03:18:28 note that GNOME ALSA Mixer is maximized May 16 03:18:59 It does that to all of the maximized apps when it's opened May 16 03:19:45 waiting for the screenshot to load... May 16 03:20:27 :/ May 16 03:20:42 it's responding to pings all right May 16 03:20:46 wonder why it's so slow May 16 03:21:06 dunno May 16 03:21:09 This is an example of why you shouldn't go with bluehost :P May 16 03:21:16 aah May 16 03:21:42 yeah I think I'll just pay personalsites more money and have them up my bandwidth May 16 03:22:17 Are they a reseller? May 16 03:22:25 nah May 16 03:22:30 VPS? May 16 03:22:34 they just offer nice small plans May 16 03:22:48 hmm? VPS? May 16 03:23:21 http://www.eukhost.com/web-hosting/kb/difference-between-shared-and-vps/ May 16 03:24:03 shared hosting is all right for small sites May 16 03:24:26 yeah, this is shared I think May 16 03:24:32 wow, that link tells you nothing May 16 03:24:53 i think the vps is a virtual machine May 16 03:24:59 that even gives you root sometimes May 16 03:25:09 and shared is just.. shared May 16 03:25:10 :) May 16 03:25:19 yeah, Navi, it's trying to sell me on why vps is better than dedicated... May 16 03:25:20 with account in /home/user May 16 03:26:53 still not loading? May 16 03:27:06 bleh, I can't use photobucket anymore May 16 03:27:19 yeah, they've gone downhill :/ May 16 03:27:27 TCP connection to 'www.xenf.net' failed: Connection reset by peer. May 16 03:27:27 :) May 16 03:27:32 Not only that, but I can't get it to work anymore. May 16 03:27:50 I have to use their "old upload method" or whatever May 16 03:28:01 Yeah May 16 03:28:07 but that still doesn't work for me :/ May 16 03:28:13 bummer May 16 03:28:24 just run httpd on your pc/laptop ? May 16 03:28:52 or n800 May 16 03:28:53 :) May 16 03:29:03 the one thing about personalsites is they spam the hell out of you when you're above 80% of your transfer limit ("Someone downloaded another 100K from your site! OMG!") May 16 03:30:02 Lol May 16 03:33:11 accepted... May 16 03:34:42 bleh, I'll just throw it at imageshack May 16 03:37:07 johnx, http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matchboxkeyboardfullscrmm0.png May 16 03:37:53 http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matchboxkeyboardfullscrmm0.png <- direct link May 16 03:37:58 yeah, would be better on the bottom May 16 03:40:16 also May 16 03:41:13 nevermind May 16 03:43:04 johnx, get an mplayer build running? May 16 03:43:32 you mean a serge/ssvb release? May 16 03:43:41 yeah May 16 03:43:44 nah May 16 03:43:48 :( May 16 03:43:57 I think I'll do an xserver build with dpms first May 16 03:44:02 mmk May 16 03:47:56 ...but that will have to wait til I get back from work. May 16 03:48:08 'later May 16 03:48:28 Okay, N800 all back in working order. xlsfonts shows all of six fonts :P May 16 03:48:37 cya johnx May 16 03:49:48 wheeee just installed modest May 16 03:50:15 What's that do, screen rotation? May 16 03:50:33 what's what do? May 16 03:50:52 oh I read that as modeset May 16 03:50:57 I keep getting an error about a package not fully installed, and every time I do a sudo apt-get install or anything then the process ends with this: http://pastebin.com/m36b7ad66 May 16 03:51:02 oh :) that is a mail client May 16 03:51:10 right *remembers* May 16 03:51:45 Any other errors, dmsuperman? May 16 03:52:02 Gracana, none May 16 03:52:12 Gracana, sorry May 16 03:52:22 I misread, let me just pastebin the whole process May 16 03:52:32 k May 16 03:52:52 http://pastebin.com/m78d9a6fa May 16 03:52:54 That's it May 16 03:54:14 strange May 16 03:54:34 I don't really know what to tell you, perhaps someone who knows what's going on/has time to look into it can help May 16 03:55:02 darn May 16 03:55:04 Thanks anyway May 16 03:55:37 :/ May 16 03:56:50 Try purging the package? May 16 03:59:53 which package? May 16 04:00:28 portmap? May 16 04:01:44 nope :( May 16 04:02:52 It thew the same error as I was purging it May 16 04:02:57 Then again as I reinstalled it May 16 04:03:04 then again as I tried to install another patckage May 16 04:03:05 package* May 16 04:06:27 It's really odd May 16 04:06:37 It's saying that it's not a symlink, dangling symlink May 16 04:06:40 Do you need portmap? Does something require it? May 16 04:06:47 apt-get install tries to run it May 16 04:07:01 anytime I do apt-get install ANYTHING it ends with that error May 16 04:07:10 oh I see May 16 04:08:01 Ahah. May 16 04:08:10 xfsinfo: no font server defined May 16 04:08:17 This could be why I see only six fonts. May 16 04:09:11 no May 16 04:09:25 it's because xserver is compiled without external fonts May 16 04:09:31 ie. it has builtin fonts May 16 04:09:38 and doesn't look anywhere else May 16 04:10:03 gtk apps use freetype lib for font rendering May 16 04:10:13 which is independent of xserver font management May 16 04:13:13 Oh. So is there any way to fix that? May 16 04:13:25 recompile xserver? May 16 04:13:26 :) May 16 04:13:52 dmsuperman, apt-get -f install May 16 04:13:54 Are all the pieces necessary to recompile Xomap open source? May 16 04:14:04 gracana: yes May 16 04:14:19 it recompiles nicely with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage May 16 04:14:20 :) May 16 04:14:21 Gracana, leave a message for johnx May 16 04:14:25 oh good May 16 04:14:41 He's going to recompile Xomap when he gets back from work May 16 04:14:48 but beware that if you fail to configure it properly on tablet it will haunt you with reboots May 16 04:14:51 (watchdog) May 16 04:14:51 Well I might as well try to do it myself May 16 04:14:56 mmk May 16 04:15:19 KotCzarny, I think I'll try to grab the source package and modify only what I need. Does that sound reasonable? May 16 04:15:37 this is retarded, how can i be the only person in the world with this error May 16 04:15:43 dmsuperman, apt-get -f install May 16 04:15:44 gracena: apt-get source xserver May 16 04:15:45 or something May 16 04:16:17 ah ok May 16 04:16:26 then hack debian/rules in resultant dir and then fakeroot line i have mentioned before May 16 04:16:31 Navi, http://pastebin.com/m1d81a124 May 16 04:16:37 and you will get shiny new .deb file :) May 16 04:16:45 hopefully May 16 04:17:26 broken portmap package May 16 04:17:41 Navi, I did apt-get remove --purge portmap May 16 04:17:42 wow, the air coming out of my graphics card is hot May 16 04:17:52 and then reinstalled it May 16 04:17:55 still no good May 16 04:18:00 just remove whatever depends on it May 16 04:18:30 65C, I guess that makes sense. That's not too hot. May 16 04:18:49 I'd worry if it's cool air coming out :P May 16 04:19:14 was coming May 16 04:19:24 after some use that is May 16 04:19:32 Navi, I can't, when I try to apt-get remove --purge portmap May 16 04:19:35 I get that same error May 16 04:19:42 I guess it makes sense. The thing can draw up to 350W or so May 16 04:19:46 It's preventing me from executing any apt-get commands May 16 04:20:04 * Gracana has a pair of 8800GTSs :X May 16 04:20:13 is portmap installed? May 16 04:20:21 dpkg -R portmap May 16 04:20:33 The second one is currently doing nothing. *uses dual monitors (and therefore no SLI) in linux* May 16 04:20:46 Heh May 16 04:21:07 waste of a card May 16 04:21:12 you should give it to me for free May 16 04:21:43 Navi, again, it tries to invoke portmap during the process, so it bombs May 16 04:21:43 Hmm, you can have my geforce 4mx with factory installed heatsink that doesn't seat properly May 16 04:21:52 what a shitty card May 16 04:21:54 heh May 16 04:22:11 That'd still be an improvement over an intel chipset :P May 16 04:22:22 It has a tiny passive heatsink that is held on loosely by two little spring nubs, and it sits on the die at an angle May 16 04:22:25 Well, not counting the newer ones May 16 04:22:33 It is highly unreliable May 16 04:22:41 just get one with passive cooling May 16 04:22:43 :) May 16 04:22:49 pfft May 16 04:23:02 My University lists POP3 and IMAP as unsupported methods May 16 04:23:15 wtf /is/ supported? May 16 04:23:22 the "supported" methods are Outlook Web Access, MS Outlook, and MS Entourage May 16 04:23:33 *hork* May 16 04:23:51 Meaning they only support MS Exchange May 16 04:23:55 i wonder what would happen if suddenly m$ died May 16 04:24:02 :> May 16 04:24:02 screw it i'm just going to reflash it again May 16 04:24:09 I need some cereals. *goes off to hunt some cheeriobeasts* May 16 04:24:40 The OIT here is very MS-centric May 16 04:25:05 But the CSE department professors all run Linux or OS X May 16 04:40:37 is this channel logged? May 16 04:40:45 Yes May 16 04:40:45 yes May 16 04:40:49 !topic May 16 04:40:53 ~topic May 16 04:40:58 pm May 16 04:40:58 fail. May 16 04:41:21 lol May 16 04:41:50 try /topic May 16 04:42:16 Any, this link, dmsuperman: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog May 16 04:42:20 thanks :D May 16 04:45:20 Alright, maybe it's my hardware now. I just got this n800 monday, and I just now reflashed it not 10 minutes ago May 16 04:45:38 I'm in the application manager, and randomly it seems, after installing an app the manager will just close May 16 04:45:40 is that normal? May 16 04:46:39 Mine doesn't do that. What happens when you install from the terminal? May 16 04:47:07 haven't tried yet May 16 04:47:09 the app installs May 16 04:47:18 just that the app manager closes afterward, and only randomly May 16 04:47:20 every few apps May 16 04:47:32 heh May 16 04:49:29 It's a bug May 16 04:49:31 Fixed in Diablo. May 16 04:50:09 Diablo? May 16 04:51:08 Next OS2008 release. May 16 04:51:36 ah May 16 04:52:09 OS2007 was Bora May 16 04:52:19 OS2008/maemo 4.0 is Chinook May 16 04:52:26 OS2008/maemo 4.1 is Diablo May 16 04:52:33 ah May 16 04:52:42 is there somewhere that lists the new features or changes? May 16 04:52:57 There's a news article on the front page of ITT which covers it a bit. May 16 04:53:03 Mostly it's a bugfix release. May 16 04:53:12 that's cool though May 16 04:53:28 Biggest thing is SSU (Seamless Software Update) May 16 04:53:42 Which means Nokia'll be pushing system updates over the air May 16 04:53:47 instead of with FIASCO images. May 16 04:57:04 Can somebody please help me to know how maemo-mapper is displaying maps May 16 04:57:38 downloading everytime or storing a high resolution map on device and using it May 16 04:57:59 alyough it takes a lot of memory? May 16 04:58:01 Does n810 support YUV at hardware level? May 16 05:06:54 johnx: didn't mean to skip out on you earlier, my GF called, said she was outside May 16 05:08:16 I suppose he went to work May 16 05:11:17 A 23 year old Canadian college student was killed when a crashing helicopter struck and dragged him as he was walking to his mailbox. May 16 05:11:26 summatusmentis, yeah, he went to work. May 16 05:13:32 fair enough May 16 05:14:16 ameng: yes May 16 05:18:55 I'm wondering if I can scrounge up ~$400 for the n810 May 16 05:20:40 I'm trying to install erminig for gpe-calendar, only apt-get install python2.5-gtk can't find the package May 16 05:20:45 any idea what repo it's in? May 16 05:21:01 is gronmayer.com/it back up? May 16 05:21:08 gronmayer.de/it whatever May 16 05:21:43 pupnik, looks like it May 16 05:21:48 nevermind May 16 05:21:51 still erroring out May 16 05:22:02 curl is borken :/ May 16 05:33:51 what is the theme with the smallest font? May 16 05:35:11 12 or 14 point fonts are avail afaik May 16 05:35:37 night May 16 05:48:01 rwhitby`: do like, half of the oe devs have NITs also? May 16 05:48:26 Huzzah. I have a shitload of X fonts now. May 16 05:48:30 summatusmentis: probably May 16 05:48:44 KotCzarny, the X server I compiled is a lot slower. :| May 16 05:49:01 rwhitby`: fair enough. I wish I had that much expendable income May 16 05:51:55 summatusmentis: some of the devs (not me) got them on the Nokia developer program. May 16 05:52:32 rwhitby`: oh, I guess that would make some sense. You just have it because you love embedded linux devices so much, huh? May 16 05:54:30 I got it for portable voip. May 16 05:55:18 mm, makes sense. Works well? May 16 05:55:41 yep May 16 05:55:42 hey. I have a 770 that I don't know what to do with.. how can I make this thing useful? May 16 05:55:45 I haven't touched it in months May 16 05:55:51 can I run OS2008 on it? May 16 05:56:21 Right now I have a 2GB sd card in it.. and if I remember right I have OS2007HE on the 2gb card and it boots from it May 16 05:56:51 or.. RS-MMC rather.. not SD. May 16 05:57:04 can I use this thing for voip reliably? May 16 06:03:00 Is there a faster OS that I can run on it? May 16 06:23:17 it's any how-to install Diablo on 810? May 16 06:23:42 ITT wiki May 16 06:23:55 You just need a partition to untar it into. May 16 06:24:06 Diablo or Debian ;) May 16 06:24:07 is it released already? May 16 06:24:40 Right, Diablo May 16 06:24:42 nevermind then. May 16 06:24:48 term-sig, Check the big forum thread. The methods are longer than before though. May 16 06:25:39 Actually Maba told me a way it works with chinook apt-get, you just have to add the password to the repo line in sources.list. May 16 06:25:45 qwerty12: i`m just trying.. but its over 50 pages.. ;/ May 16 06:26:24 term-sig, all things considered, it's probably not worth the effort. ;) May 16 06:26:31 There really isn't anything very exciting. May 16 06:27:25 and eats your battery like hell May 16 06:27:26 :) May 16 06:27:42 then fuck it. ;> May 16 06:27:50 Like GeneralAntilles says, nothing new really. The only thing I <3 is the finger recognition thing actually working. MicroB is worse in DIablo than chinook. May 16 06:28:04 term-sig, PLEASE! I'm not desperate :p May 16 06:28:14 Yeah, the current MicroB build is still very buggy. May 16 06:28:23 but i`m ;P May 16 06:28:29 lol May 16 06:31:24 To those who backed up the diablo folder the first time round before the update, make sure you keep it ;) May 16 06:32:37 why? May 16 06:32:38 :) May 16 06:33:01 They've removed FTD for sure, I'm not sure if anything else is gone yet. :) May 16 06:33:26 they killed ftd, those bastards! May 16 06:33:35 thanks for warning May 16 06:33:38 heh May 16 06:33:44 but i would keep it safe anyway May 16 06:33:51 lol. you touch ftd. mafia touch you May 16 06:33:52 New Diablo release? May 16 06:33:53 np May 16 06:34:17 RST38h, an update was available via SSU a ~few days ago May 16 06:34:19 i wonder if it's copyrighted etc May 16 06:34:46 Oh that May 16 06:35:08 Lets do a thing like that hd-dvd key thing. Who's gonna go first to uuencode their folder :p May 16 06:35:46 actually only ftd is worth uuencoding May 16 06:35:54 the rest would be available anyway i think May 16 06:36:17 damn, wish i grabbed ftd when i could have May 16 06:38:30 * RST38h knew and warned about ftpd ;) May 16 06:38:33 ftd, sorry May 16 06:39:01 I've been warning people against STD :p May 16 06:39:11 They are very expensive phone calls to make. May 16 06:40:45 std? May 16 06:41:57 who has std? May 16 06:41:58 :) May 16 06:41:58 qwerty: have been passing the word? =) May 16 06:42:09 word and something extra.. May 16 06:42:09 ;) May 16 06:42:16 No not me :P May 16 06:42:18 BTW, Ubuntu powertop utility is cool May 16 06:42:26 it's not ubuntu May 16 06:42:36 it's intel :P May 16 06:42:42 RST38h , you can compile it for N8*0 but getting the kernel to work for it is fun... May 16 06:42:44 Kot: http://www.lyricsdir.com/tom-lehrer-i-got-it-from-agnes-lyrics.html May 16 06:43:04 * RST38h tried to hide his marketing plot but wasn't successful ;) May 16 06:43:06 http://nyus.joshuawise.com/upload/data/N800_Debian_vtwm.png woot! May 16 06:43:09 http://www.sweetslyrics.com/518278.DR.%20EVIL%20-%20No%20STD.html May 16 06:43:37 qwerty: If I understand things correctly, it is Intel specific May 16 06:43:56 Stuff it shows is definitely Intel specific May 16 06:43:59 having a large virtual desktop like that is very nice on this tablet May 16 06:44:14 * Gracana opens up windows willy-nilly and just moves the viewport over them May 16 06:44:17 rst: but works using linux kernel stats May 16 06:44:34 works on another cpus too May 16 06:44:44 Actually, finger-dragged virt desktop should rule on N8x0 ;) May 16 06:45:10 I like emjayes work on lockable desktop applets and switchable sets of applets. May 16 06:45:11 Cool^2 May 16 06:45:42 switchable sets - probably not needed unless there is a natural way to switch 'em May 16 06:46:05 Nah, the desktop is too small. May 16 06:46:07 like tapping screen edges to slide out the next set May 16 06:46:56 btw, any progress on Conky? =) May 16 06:47:29 I wish gronmayer would come back up, that might be the final straw to make me purchase, if I can tell what software is available May 16 06:47:37 No, I've given up until I actually pick up a programming book of some sort :/ . Real coding is out of my depth :/ May 16 06:47:46 downloads.maemo.org summatusmentis May 16 06:48:00 GeneralAntilles: oh... hrm May 16 06:48:01 qwerty12, don't bother with a book. :P May 16 06:48:10 The internet is your book. May 16 06:48:41 Hehe, ok, May 16 06:49:15 Pfft May 16 06:49:19 You don't even need that May 16 06:49:31 Python and C tutorials are all over the place for free. ;) May 16 06:49:56 But where is the fun in getting something for free! :p. Nah, thanks for that, I'll take a look :) May 16 06:50:55 Oh, hey KotCzarny, I don't know if you heard me mention that I got X compiled.. Anyway, it's a lot slower now. Do you think external font support did that? May 16 06:52:21 If you don't mind me asking, how can it be slow with that desktop? May 16 06:53:48 gracana: how did you compiled it? May 16 06:54:59 GeneralAntilles: is that all software available? May 16 06:55:04 No May 16 06:55:06 apt-get source xserver-xomap, removed --enable-builtin-fonts from the control file, fakeroot debian/rules binary May 16 06:55:21 gracana, interesting May 16 06:55:42 Yeah. May 16 06:56:03 try compiling with that switch May 16 06:56:07 It is acting as its own font server, isn't it? May 16 06:56:16 When I compile it with that switch, it's builtin fonts only May 16 06:56:19 and if you can observer the same effect May 16 06:56:29 GeneralAntilles: does a terminal come native? May 16 06:56:30 oh, right May 16 06:56:36 Yes May 16 06:56:40 I'll give that a shot May 16 06:56:40 but i wonder if they use some tricks when compiling etc. May 16 06:57:22 Actually, I'm going to sleep right now. I should have gone to bed three hours ago. This is good progress though. *makes note to try a vanilla compilation tomorrow* May 16 06:57:40 alright. Now it's just a matter of whether or not I can justify spending the money. Thanks GeneralAntilles May 16 06:57:57 :) May 16 06:58:01 N800 May 16 06:58:13 gracana, please let me know about the result May 16 06:58:20 * Gracana notes that too May 16 06:58:29 summatusmentis, http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:mAdi-wbl9NQJ:www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php%3Flang%3Den%26system%3Dmaemo4+gronmayer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a May 16 06:58:56 GeneralAntilles: a thumb board is almost crucial for me May 16 06:59:09 Probably not as crucial as you think. May 16 06:59:15 hmm May 16 06:59:22 summatusmentis: can you try it at store? May 16 06:59:24 and it's certainly not worth $200 May 16 06:59:24 or something? May 16 06:59:29 Gracana: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS affects the building. You can select either VFP or thumb with it. Dunno which one is used by Nokia when building the official version. May 16 06:59:47 KotCzarny: well, I suppose May 16 06:59:55 GeneralAntilles: I've gotten used to my Z thumb board May 16 07:00:19 I'm used to a real keyboard. ;) May 16 07:00:24 kulve: do you know what DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS are used by maemo builders? May 16 07:00:26 thanks for the tip, kulve, that sounds like useful information May 16 07:00:35 KotCzarny: no May 16 07:01:12 kulve: that's a nice question to have answered, if you spot maemo devs :) May 16 07:01:31 Stone could probably answer that May 16 07:01:40 does he do irc? May 16 07:01:44 I think not May 16 07:01:44 well, I'll think on it, but I'm most likely(if I can find money) to get teh N810 May 16 07:01:57 KotCzarny: but he's on the mailing lists May 16 07:02:40 * Add VFP support (fixes: NB#61340). May 16 07:02:43 * Don't use thumb when also using VFP. May 16 07:03:00 those could indicate that they are using VFP, but who knows.. May 16 07:03:03 so that's a yes for vfp in opts May 16 07:03:31 i think comparing binary sized could give a hint May 16 07:03:34 *sizes May 16 07:03:41 yes, most likely May 16 07:04:03 the size difference with thumb is easily noticed May 16 07:04:04 goodnight all May 16 07:04:48 for OS2008, did Nokia reduce or strip down the SSL support? May 16 07:05:24 can't seem to get jabber to work to a private server and the server is complaining about ciphers as if they were removed in OS2008 May 16 07:52:05 guessing channel names ftw, lo ppl :) May 16 07:59:34 Morning, all May 16 07:59:38 lo starkmjolk May 16 08:00:33 lo Jaffa May 16 08:00:56 I ordered a n810 this week, will be some time before it arrives though :) May 16 08:10:52 starkmjolk: start looking forward already ;) May 16 08:11:05 * aquatix is happy with his May 16 08:11:12 indeed! May 16 08:11:33 i've played some with a n800, n810 seem perfect for me :) May 16 08:11:48 * aquatix gets some coffee May 16 08:11:54 just started encoding the star wars triology for usage with the n810 ;) May 16 08:12:04 what settings? May 16 08:12:19 have my own mencoder script May 16 08:12:24 it's a mess, but works May 16 08:12:36 i'll show you mine if you show me yours May 16 08:12:52 400x240 res, lavc with lame May 16 08:13:05 ah sounds perfect May 16 08:13:25 I have no reason to hide mine, besides the public health. I'll probably clean it up nicely when I have more time, I'll share it then :) May 16 08:13:33 mediautils.garage.maemo.org starkmjolk May 16 08:14:37 so ovc lavc and vcodec=mpeg4 ? May 16 08:14:45 suggestions and patches welcome on mediautils :) May 16 08:14:52 i was wondering if xvid might be better - looked more aggressive with smoothing at low bps May 16 08:15:02 oh yeah Jaffa is *the* guy for encoding May 16 08:15:05 GeneralAntilles: I saw it earlier, though I had this script since earlier May 16 08:19:01 pupnik_: and a good bunch of other switches, yes. :) May 16 08:19:48 -lavcopts threads=3:autoaspect=1:vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:bitrate=400:vpass1/2 May 16 08:20:18 looks good what good does the 'threads' do? multicore? May 16 08:20:20 don't know if it is really good, I've done much more optimizing for x264 May 16 08:20:41 i can't remember which of my scripts is the best, need to take better notes May 16 08:20:42 pupnik_: yes, it does 3 threads (cores+1 is a good rule) May 16 08:22:19 from what I see in cpu usage lavc doesn't do threads that well, x264 works better in loading both cores May 16 08:23:21 Anyone else seen these Aluminium cases for the n810? Looks cool: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000208&products_id=7317 May 16 08:39:12 pupnik_: you have a good mencoder script? May 16 08:39:14 * aquatix wants May 16 08:40:05 aquatix: what's wrong with http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html ? May 16 08:40:11 erm May 16 08:40:15 i guess nothing :) May 16 08:40:24 * aquatix should do more research on garage ;) May 16 08:40:46 does that do cli? May 16 08:40:50 i footled around with em, based on jaffa's work. 'improvements' depend on matching parameters to the source material May 16 08:42:00 Jaffa: besides, tablet-encode isn't in debian by default iirc ;) May 16 08:42:16 there was for e.g. an encode from an analog tv-rip of a cartoon May 16 08:42:18 aquatix, look at the USAGE section on that page. :P May 16 08:42:20 mencoder Kleines_Arschloch__TVRip_German_Inc.avi -o Kl770xvid.avi -srate 44100 -channels 1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -af volnorm,channels=1 -ovc lavc -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon -vf-add hqdn3d=09:0:10 -ofps 12.5 May 16 08:42:30 GeneralAntilles: yeah, noticed May 16 08:42:38 guess i need more coffee and more reading May 16 08:42:59 but that's trying to crunch down a noisy analog rip of a cartoon May 16 08:44:27 oh, it's perl May 16 08:45:02 * aquatix downloads to his mediaserver May 16 08:45:07 should work out of the box then :) May 16 08:46:22 Jaffa, nicely enough, my EyeTV recordings seem to have started working at some point. May 16 08:46:31 Too bad I can't skip past the commercials. May 16 08:47:21 GeneralAntilles: cool May 16 08:49:52 Actually, that's on my Bloaty Feature Requests for Teh Fewchar list, a front-end on the device that'd let you skip around, provide more interesting library browsing, searching, etc. May 16 09:53:24 Wha? someone's made progress on an SBC-DSP task!? May 16 09:53:37 johnx: !! May 16 09:56:10 Ha May 16 09:56:31 lardman's looking for help with DSP stuff if you want to provide it. May 16 09:56:45 yeah May 16 09:56:55 we talked about it like... 4 months ago May 16 09:57:02 i set up the toolchain but never got time to work on it :/ May 16 09:57:44 * GeneralAntilles is really tired of retarded bugs that should've been solved forever ago. . . . May 16 09:57:47 plus I didn't really know where to start... though I've seriously been thinking about doing it for a while. I was going to try to get one of the profs here to let me do it as a class so I could get credit for it :P May 16 10:04:30 definitely get a prof interested in it May 16 10:04:46 i found some profs enjoyed creative projects May 16 10:05:10 off-topic question... anyone know how to make a wireless Draft N device connect to a wireless Draft N router and ACTUALLY USE Draft N!?!?!? May 16 10:05:22 pupnik_: yeah, they do :) May 16 10:05:47 rm_you: shouldn't be more than just enabling draft n on both ? May 16 10:06:41 my laptop (using intel proset driver) and my router (linksys wrt-300n) seem to both be in N mode, as the laptop even displays it on the list as a G/N capable router... it just never connects at more than G speed May 16 10:07:10 and it says its using the 802.11g band <_< May 16 10:08:32 rm_you: do you have other bt/wifi networks near? May 16 10:08:52 hrm May 16 10:08:59 well, that reset my wireless.... wasn't expecting that :P May 16 10:11:11 can't force it to use only n? May 16 10:11:19 dunno :/ May 16 10:11:26 never used N before May 16 10:18:36 ah wtf May 16 10:18:48 i guess i HAVE to use WPA2 security to get N speed May 16 10:18:51 >_> May 16 10:21:22 #2400 pisses me off so much May 16 10:21:32 I'm just glad I'm not emotionally invested in #303. . . . May 16 10:21:40 SWEET! got it May 16 10:21:44 130MBps :) May 16 10:21:57 my wireless is now faster than my wired. woot. May 16 10:22:07 in practice too? May 16 10:22:23 GeneralAntilles: I've given up on 303 :-/ May 16 10:22:48 Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm feeling way more depressed about this stuff than usual. :< May 16 10:22:59 well, i paused an SCP transfer that was going steady at 1MB, now it's going steady at 1.8MB when i resumed it on 802.11n May 16 10:23:10 #303? what did i miss :/ May 16 10:23:24 Bugzilla May 16 10:23:31 Don't bother reading it May 16 10:23:42 It'll just piss you off and leave you depressed. May 16 10:23:54 <_< May 16 10:24:31 pupnik: I did that, once (about getting professors to accept alternative things). I did an IRC-service instead of an assignment, once, because the assignment was about interfaces/protocol-stuff, but it was *dead boring*... May 16 10:25:17 pupnik: And I told him it was *dead boring*, and that the IRC-service was more advanced than the assignment and much more fun ;) May 16 10:25:56 pupnik: luckily, he agreed. May 16 10:26:24 (else, the assignment would not have been done on time, cause I was gonna do the irc-service instead anyways ;) May 16 10:33:55 rm_you: hm, i do about 10MB/sec on my 100MBit wired May 16 10:34:06 heh yeah... i wrote a java IRC client for fun one day two years ago :P May 16 10:34:07 but scp is another story of course May 16 10:34:21 nfs is quite fast though May 16 10:34:31 aquatix: yeah... just comparing the speedboost from 54mbps to 130mbps really... May 16 10:34:33 aquatix: scp can do >10MB/sec too on a new computer May 16 10:34:39 i think that SCP is the problem tho... May 16 10:34:50 rm_you: interesting that it really is about twice the speed May 16 10:34:55 you can use -c blowfish to use lighter crypto May 16 10:34:57 it does tend to be about half as fast (or less) May 16 10:35:03 kulve: yeah, my laptop isn't quite up-to-par ;) May 16 10:35:11 blowfish is lighter? May 16 10:35:16 i'm using WinSCP in windoze <_< May 16 10:35:17 that's new for me May 16 10:35:18 significantly May 16 10:35:25 i thought it was quite heavy May 16 10:35:29 hm May 16 10:35:38 aquatix: it seems not to be compared to the default one May 16 10:35:42 this is my work laptop, so no linux for me :/ May 16 10:35:48 maybe aes2 is heavier indeed May 16 10:35:51 rm_you: :( May 16 10:36:00 :( May 16 10:36:06 rm_you: maybe you can select those in winscp too May 16 10:36:10 have to code in ... .... ... VB6 <_< May 16 10:36:19 * rm_you kries May 16 10:36:33 * aquatix pats rm_you awkwardly on the shoulder May 16 10:36:43 that sucks... May 16 10:41:52 GeneralAntilles: you're right. that's depressing May 16 10:42:09 makes my issue with the statusbar code issue seem... petty <_< May 16 10:43:54 Ha May 16 10:44:00 Bugzilla is a depressing place May 16 10:44:35 sjgadsby keeps reminding me of more depressing things with his damn bugzilla weekly updates. <_< May 16 10:45:45 GeneralAntilles: The added visibility will help, I'm sure of that. May 16 10:46:07 meh, locales May 16 10:46:16 Bugzilla tends to have the problem that the only one working on it is the developer that is assigned to the bug.. May 16 10:46:35 Now managers can see the bug too, so they can push it.. May 16 10:47:09 SINCE OS2005!?!??! wtf >_> May 16 10:47:22 Ha May 16 10:47:38 Thankfully that's probably the absolutely worst example. May 16 10:47:42 there should not be simple stupid bugs like that when they were reported 3 YEARS ago <_< May 16 10:47:46 Everything else is less depressing May 16 10:47:51 if only marginally so in some cases. :P May 16 10:47:53 * aquatix uses the locale en_DK on his pc May 16 10:48:00 heh May 16 10:48:14 but that wasn't available on my tablet May 16 10:48:15 iirc May 16 10:48:18 GeneralAntilles: from now on guenther and me will also take a look at bugzilla to get this going again May 16 10:48:46 Yes, things are looking up for the future. May 16 10:49:29 There's still a lot of built-up frustration that has to be bled off for a lot of us still, though. :P ;) May 16 10:49:55 there, voted for #303 May 16 10:50:01 s/There's still/There's/ May 16 10:50:02 GeneralAntilles meant: There's a lot of built-up frustration that has to be bled off for a lot of us still, though. :P ;) May 16 10:50:24 aside from that, having a working wifi at my university would be cool too May 16 10:50:29 eduroam thingee May 16 10:50:43 it appears that user and pass are getting mangled somehwere May 16 10:51:05 same eduroam problem here, yeah May 16 10:51:18 X-Fade: wrt bugs, if the component is open, community members could work on it too May 16 10:51:30 lardman: I'm with you man ;) May 16 10:51:35 Don't worry :) May 16 10:51:45 whether they will or not remains to be seen ;) May 16 10:51:52 Hehe May 16 10:52:19 lardman: My optimal solution would be to let community members have commit access on the svn repository.. May 16 10:52:24 Putting together some sort of wikipage to help focus community efforts would be good. May 16 10:52:43 X-Fade: I doubt that would be acceptable May 16 10:53:07 X-Fade: but if we could add patches that might possibly be considered, and if not a comment as to why not, that would be a good start May 16 10:53:12 lardman: Well, yes and no. Not everybody would have it.. May 16 10:53:25 But some established community gateway people perhaps.. May 16 10:53:38 yes, I see what you mean May 16 10:54:04 But either way, you would need to have the sources in that svn in the first place ;) May 16 10:54:31 yep :) May 16 10:54:49 It would be interesting to test this out on Modest for example.. May 16 10:55:04 See what can happen when community people join that garage project. May 16 10:55:10 And actually contribute. May 16 10:56:05 I'm sure there are all kinds of little tasks community members can do without altering the general course/planning of Modest. May 16 10:56:18 why didn't have modest a weekly snapshot lately btw? May 16 10:56:28 because it's included in the os2008 upgrade now? May 16 10:56:33 You mean W18? May 16 10:56:37 W19 was just released. May 16 10:56:38 aquatix: All kinds of holidays? May 16 10:56:48 W18 was skipped for some reason or the other. May 16 10:56:59 GeneralAntilles: oh ok May 16 10:57:08 GeneralAntilles: ignore my remark then ;) May 16 10:57:16 X-Fade: fair enough May 16 10:57:18 W19 was 9 days ago May 16 10:57:19 was just wondering :) May 16 10:57:22 huh May 16 10:57:24 So I guess we're kinda getting close to due again. May 16 10:57:30 check May 16 10:57:34 * aquatix is just paranoid May 16 10:57:45 While it's on my mind, anybody want to take a stab a fleshing this out? :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modest_%28e-mail_client%29 May 16 10:58:12 Is Modest in Garage? May 16 10:58:21 Yep May 16 10:58:38 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modest/ May 16 10:58:39 So if a community member wanted to, they could probably produce a weekly snapshot....? May 16 10:59:01 lardman: Sure, although you have to package tinymail too.. May 16 10:59:19 X-Fade: well whichever of the Modest devs has to do that too May 16 10:59:20 anyone here use a nokia e51? May 16 11:00:03 lardman: Well, the packages are in svn and you can see who uploaded them ;) May 16 11:00:07 X-Fade: I'm just thinking of a thing a (relatively) non-programming community member could do to help the devs May 16 11:00:11 btw, do any of you too have the problem that modest not always [read: almost always not] does mark email messages `read' ? May 16 11:00:35 X-Fade: rather than expecting the Modest devs to code + build + check the built packages, etc. May 16 11:01:02 A number of people have reported it, aquatix. May 16 11:01:08 I haven't paid close enough attention to notice. May 16 11:01:21 ok May 16 11:01:23 just wondering May 16 11:01:27 <_berto_> what's up with modest ? May 16 11:01:31 it's one of the reasons i don't use it that much May 16 11:01:33 It's awesome. May 16 11:01:41 while modest is awesome indeed May 16 11:01:45 <_berto_> thanks :) May 16 11:01:54 but claws at least marks my mails read when i read them :) May 16 11:02:01 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987 May 16 11:02:04 <_berto_> uh :) May 16 11:02:13 <_berto_> i think we fixed that long ago May 16 11:03:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=178914&postcount=306 May 16 11:03:43 GeneralAntilles: that's my bug :) May 16 11:03:56 Ha May 16 11:04:01 Guess you didn't need to be linked to it. :P May 16 11:04:13 heheh, you are no psychic :) May 16 11:04:22 ;_; May 16 11:04:33 but that means it's not fixed May 16 11:04:34 meh May 16 11:04:45 <_berto_> so it only happens when opening mails from the notification box? May 16 11:04:53 erm no May 16 11:04:59 every single mail May 16 11:05:42 sometimes several are read when it's left open for a while May 16 11:05:54 so i guess the periodic refresh does some good May 16 11:06:02 but mostly, that doesn't help either May 16 11:06:22 the periodic refresh does not mark the new messages as read May 16 11:06:42 no, emails that i just read May 16 11:07:02 modest shows them as read, but that's not updated at the server May 16 11:07:12 ah May 16 11:07:17 you mean POP or IMAP? May 16 11:07:22 imap4, secure May 16 11:07:36 well May 16 11:07:42 dovecot, to be specific [but shouldn't really matter ;)] May 16 11:07:49 if you mark a header as read May 16 11:07:57 it won't be updated in the server May 16 11:08:03 until you select another folder May 16 11:08:08 or close the program of course May 16 11:08:13 hm May 16 11:08:16 because we delay that update until that May 16 11:08:27 i will play around with that for a bit then May 16 11:08:33 but iirc, that doesn't always work either May 16 11:08:40 i have folders by subject May 16 11:08:52 well I remember that we had some bugs about that in the past May 16 11:08:54 and even when i've visited various folders, the emails stay unread at the server May 16 11:09:05 ok, i'll try with the latest in a few hours then May 16 11:09:08 well May 16 11:09:14 <_berto_> yes, I remember we fixed them some time ago May 16 11:09:32 that sounds weird indeed May 16 11:09:33 I can confirm it with W19 and google imap too. May 16 11:09:35 i have my sb2 chinook setup. I need to install some build deps. how do i do that? May 16 11:09:44 Switching between maps doesn't help either.. May 16 11:09:56 oh, whatever, i'm hooking up my tablet with my phone now May 16 11:09:59 * aquatix plays around a bit May 16 11:10:06 don't want to wait to get home ;) May 16 11:10:27 _berto_: Only closing the application updates it.. May 16 11:12:49 <_berto_> (sorry, meeting) May 16 11:13:11 <_berto_> we'll look at it May 16 11:13:28 hi, ist that the right place for bugs in modest: May 16 11:13:30 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi May 16 11:13:31 ? May 16 11:13:43 Yes, jukey. May 16 11:13:55 jukey: yes, just choose the modest component on that page May 16 11:14:26 yesterday i have put a bug into the modest project page bugzilla May 16 11:14:32 Communications:Modest May 16 11:15:04 i think nobody is reading the bugs there? :) May 16 11:15:45 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2542&group_id=9&atid=109 May 16 11:16:08 jukey yes May 16 11:16:17 but we hadn't many time recently May 16 11:16:18 sorry May 16 11:16:51 np, i only want to know where to report bugs :) May 16 11:16:58 and regarding the read/unread status May 16 11:16:59 and now i know May 16 11:17:13 maybe it's just a problem of GMail synchrono May 16 11:17:23 synchronizing that I mean May 16 11:17:33 with the Web interface May 16 11:17:36 sergio: No, closing modest does update it.. May 16 11:17:50 sergio: but going to other folders doesn't.. May 16 11:18:09 sergio: As soon as I close modest, I see the webinterface change instantly. May 16 11:18:46 :m interesting May 16 11:19:21 maybe it's something that we added recently May 16 11:19:25 Hmm scratch that.. Doing it a second time, it doesn't update it.. May 16 11:19:27 Weird.. May 16 11:19:45 what version are you using BTW? May 16 11:20:30 sergio: Latest and greates released packages on garage.. May 16 11:21:17 X-Fade I have just marked as read an unread mail and changed to another folder May 16 11:21:25 and it was updated properly in the web interface May 16 11:21:43 I clicked on the message to actually read it.. May 16 11:21:52 And nothing happens.. May 16 11:22:14 but it does not work properly the other way around as you say May 16 11:23:09 Manually marking as read in modest and switching maps doesn't update. May 16 11:23:47 Hmm funny, I get the impression that it only worked one time. After a fresh reboot. May 16 11:26:28 hm May 16 11:26:47 reading a mail in my dovecot inbox, then switching to another folder doesn't mark it as `read' May 16 11:27:45 ok, I understand the problem May 16 11:27:53 I'll take a look this afternoon May 16 11:28:16 it's weird because we're using the same command to do that May 16 11:28:30 it's just a SYNC for those of you that know IMAP May 16 11:28:54 weird indeed May 16 11:29:10 don't hesitate to ask me for assistance :) May 16 11:29:14 maybe we're leaking a reference of the folder and thus the sync do not happen May 16 11:29:18 glad to be of help debugging May 16 11:29:25 thx! May 16 11:29:46 sure thing May 16 11:29:52 Thanks for looking into it, it's an issue that has irked a number of users for a while now. May 16 11:30:04 yeah, it's a shame May 16 11:30:10 as i now use claws instead of modest May 16 11:30:16 while modest is nicer on the tablet May 16 11:34:01 <_berto_> X-Fade: did you check why vagalume didn't build correctly ? May 16 11:34:14 it's definitely because we leak a reference of the folder somewhere May 16 11:34:23 because the call is made correctly May 16 11:34:23 sergio: might be of help - most of my folders are within a directory May 16 11:34:29 I have just checked that May 16 11:34:37 i have folders like 2008/mailings May 16 11:34:48 _berto_: I asked the dev that has access to the box. He will get back to me this evening. May 16 11:34:48 where 2008 is a physical dir on the server May 16 11:34:50 aquatix this does not change May 16 11:34:54 ok May 16 11:35:07 but thx anyway for the report May 16 11:35:15 _berto_: We will try to add more logging and mailing this weekend ;) May 16 11:35:18 could you please upload a bug to the bugzilla? May 16 11:35:21 <_berto_> ok, don't worry :) May 16 11:35:23 <_berto_> just curiosity May 16 11:35:28 I'll review them again this weekend May 16 11:35:36 _berto_: You and me both ;) May 16 11:35:39 because a lot of them are already fixed May 16 11:50:43 X-Fade, aquatix I know the reason why that is happening May 16 11:51:01 and it's not really a bug, although you could find it annoying May 16 11:51:36 the thing is that tinymail won't synchronise that status until the object that represents each account is destroyed May 16 11:51:46 and that only happens when modest is finished May 16 11:52:03 so due to tinymail design it couldn't be fixed May 16 11:52:03 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/05/16/car-navigation-with-n810/ May 16 11:52:09 sergio: But it remains active on close? May 16 11:52:22 sometimes May 16 11:52:37 modest window is closed but some tasks keep running in the background May 16 11:52:40 just for a while May 16 11:52:40 So it doesn't update at all at that point. May 16 11:52:49 in the server yes May 16 11:52:56 but your local cache is updated inmediatly May 16 11:53:07 so you'll see them as read in Modest May 16 11:53:31 so will it update the copy on the server later? or not at all? May 16 11:53:42 yes May 16 11:53:49 it's updated in the server when modest closes May 16 11:53:54 hm what i have to delete before i install modest again? I delete always /home/user/.modest and /var/lib/gconf/modest but after installing again i don't see the assistant for account creation but my old account name. a fews seconds later modest crashes an every few minutes i get the message "internal error e-mail will be closed" May 16 11:54:23 jukey you don't need to remove .modest May 16 11:54:43 and you see your old accounts May 16 11:54:53 because the account configuration is saved in Gconf May 16 11:54:54 but it crashes every time i start it May 16 11:54:58 not in .modest May 16 11:55:04 jukey: which version? May 16 11:55:08 .19 May 16 11:55:13 at the end May 16 11:55:16 weird May 16 11:55:33 nobody told us before May 16 11:55:40 jukey your settings aren't in /var/lib/gconf/modest... May 16 11:55:44 jukey: Did you create a core-dumps dir on your mmc? May 16 11:55:44 when i start it in xterm after a few minutes i saw "segmentation fault" May 16 11:55:59 how do you start it? May 16 11:56:02 modest May 16 11:56:16 modest showui I guess May 16 11:57:17 i will try it again May 16 11:57:26 but why don't you start it using the menu? May 16 11:57:46 it crashes May 16 11:57:56 maybe you have another problem May 16 11:57:58 jukey, if you want to get rid of your settings (accounts and such) do "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/modest" May 16 11:58:14 For those of you using the atom feed for planet maemo, it should be fixed now.. May 16 11:59:22 guys, sorry to bother anyone there knows anything about gdal on n800? May 16 11:59:40 gtg now, ping me later if you have problems/questions May 16 12:00:08 thx jku_ May 16 12:00:16 simboss, what exactly is gda1? May 16 12:00:28 GDAL May 16 12:00:32 ah May 16 12:00:38 *the* open source GIS toolkit :-) May 16 12:00:48 I am trying to build it right now on the scratchbox May 16 12:00:58 what problem are you running into? May 16 12:01:18 well, the compiler choked with a strange message May 16 12:01:25 and I had to remove a supported format May 16 12:01:34 hopefully this time May 16 12:01:37 I will get it working May 16 12:01:49 anyway I might get back to that error later on May 16 12:02:07 is there a mailing list where I can post such questions? May 16 12:02:55 I think maemo-developers would be the right place if you want a mailing list May 16 12:03:04 asking here wouldn't hurt either May 16 12:04:34 sergio: hm May 16 12:04:47 sergio: can't you tell tinymail to sync? May 16 12:05:16 johnx: thx May 16 12:05:27 simboss, sure May 16 12:05:30 hey rm_you May 16 12:05:34 hey johnx May 16 12:05:38 just about to sleep again May 16 12:05:55 ah May 16 12:05:55 anyway, <--- excited about lardman working on DSP-SBC :P May 16 12:06:04 always sleeping *shakes head* May 16 12:06:11 lol, its 7AM :P May 16 12:06:18 yeah, time to wake up! May 16 12:06:20 i need to go to lunch at 1pm >_> May 16 12:06:24 pfft lol May 16 12:06:32 moving out work out ok? May 16 12:06:36 well May 16 12:06:47 i moved all my crap across to my suitemate's room May 16 12:06:49 lol May 16 12:07:01 and then today i moved most of it to a friend's condo May 16 12:07:09 so now i'm pretty much set May 16 12:07:18 johnx: here is a quick question :-). Does this error sound fmiliar to you? http://pastebin.com/m4c8f1a92 May 16 12:07:21 got to ship my compy and stuff today tho May 16 12:07:27 well, l8r :P May 16 12:07:38 later rm_you May 16 12:07:40 rm_you: cya May 16 12:08:23 simboss, I guess libdb isn't installed in scratchbox or not where the compiler was looking for it? May 16 12:08:52 gah...misread that May 16 12:08:54 interesting May 16 12:10:33 ops May 16 12:10:40 there is a typo May 16 12:10:42 my bad May 16 12:10:48 it was -lidn May 16 12:10:51 sorry May 16 12:11:05 that's ok...I misread it a different way, as well May 16 12:12:06 libidn I guess May 16 12:13:13 after "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/modest" i was able to start modest May 16 12:13:25 i have creat an account and see the inbox :-) May 16 12:13:30 thx a lot May 16 12:13:30 simboss, you might beed to install libidn in scratchbox May 16 12:13:45 k, I'll give it a try May 16 12:13:49 thx for the help May 16 12:13:53 sure May 16 12:14:01 GIS stuff would be great to have on the tablet May 16 12:16:38 any ideas where to start looking ? May 16 12:16:46 for libidn I mean :-) May 16 12:17:41 you might just want to grab the debian source package from packages.debian.org and see if that compiles May 16 12:18:05 do you know how to compile something from a debian source package? May 16 12:18:17 I was hoping to avoid that step :-( May 16 12:18:25 it's not too bad May 16 12:18:25 I have not done it in a while May 16 12:18:37 just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot May 16 12:18:37 apt-get install is my friend :-) May 16 12:18:59 someone will chime in and say their own personal favorite way to do it I'm sure May 16 12:19:48 found it http://packages.qa.debian.org/libi/libidn.html May 16 12:20:00 looks like debian has a source package for gdal as well... May 16 12:20:47 yeah, the debian gis project May 16 12:20:48 anyways, grab the 3 files listed on the source package's page, a .diff.gz, a .dsc and a .orig.tar.gz May 16 12:21:45 put then in the same dir and type dpkg-source -x foo.dsc ; cd into the directory it makes and type dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and that should do it May 16 12:22:29 about to try May 16 12:24:17 morning May 16 12:39:12 is maemo also affected by the openssh/ssl vulnerability? May 16 12:40:15 possibly May 16 12:40:30 * aquatix is curious to that too May 16 12:40:58 ssh-vulnkey would give you the answer May 16 12:41:01 hmm May 16 12:41:17 i tried to install streamplayer on my n810 .. it said "failed to install" May 16 12:41:22 now i cant uninstall it May 16 12:41:24 or reinstall it May 16 12:41:32 it shows up under my installed apps May 16 12:41:36 but it shows it as 0kb May 16 12:41:49 and it doesnt show when i search for installable apps now May 16 12:41:54 johnx: done :-) May 16 12:42:02 how did i get stuck in this limbo .. and how can i fix it? May 16 12:42:18 lirakis_work: maybe try apt-get remove? May 16 12:42:19 simboss, libidn? May 16 12:42:21 I have built libidn even though I had to build it manually (configure --> make --> make install) May 16 12:42:22 as root in a shell? May 16 12:42:30 then I rebuilt gdal May 16 12:42:34 great! May 16 12:42:37 aquatix: tried .. apt doesnt seem to be able to find it May 16 12:42:39 and now I can use its utilites in the scratchbox May 16 12:42:40 :-) May 16 12:42:49 I am going to test it on some data now :-) May 16 12:43:10 that's pretty darn cool. What are you planning to use it for on the device? May 16 12:43:31 I have been contracted May 16 12:43:35 aaah May 16 12:43:38 say no more May 16 12:43:45 to port a JPIP client to n800 May 16 12:43:49 I can talk about it May 16 12:43:55 it will probably be OS May 16 12:44:00 or at least parts of it May 16 12:44:13 JPIP = jpeg2000 streaming May 16 12:44:15 anyway May 16 12:44:23 ah! it showed up in updates.. but it failed to update .. but now it shows up in m extras menu and lauches May 16 12:44:25 wtf .. May 16 12:44:32 I am planning on building a small GIS client May 16 12:44:33 im glad its working but wtf happened ? May 16 12:44:34 lirakis_work: voodoo ftw ;) May 16 12:45:49 besides the contract May 16 12:45:53 in python May 16 12:46:14 :-) May 16 12:46:29 pretty neat May 16 12:46:47 I bet the n800 will work great for that May 16 12:47:16 hopefully! May 16 12:47:17 :-) May 16 12:48:28 overall it's a pretty nice little device as long as you're reasonable with your expectations...I really can't think of anything the same size that can run python well May 16 12:51:40 yeah, it's pretty nice May 16 12:51:46 oiwever May 16 12:51:49 however May 16 12:52:04 I think java support is pretty bad May 16 12:52:16 and that is a shame :-( May 16 12:52:30 but I like python as well and I have mobile java May 16 12:52:31 :-) May 16 12:52:53 yeah...someone was working on that but I don't know how far they got May 16 12:58:36 jalimo is the name of the java project for maemo if you haven't already seen it May 16 13:00:22 where can i get nuvo black? May 16 13:09:06 johnx: yeah, I hve tried few JVM May 16 13:09:17 I also tried to play with phoneME May 16 13:09:21 it just has to get better, sooner or later... May 16 13:09:24 but I got stuck May 16 13:09:53 With fully open source java on the way and an open source mozilla-based microB, things should get easier. May 16 13:10:46 Hi May 16 13:11:54 Anyone have difficulties with microb crashing the entire tablet? May 16 13:12:54 KILL JAVA KILL May 16 13:13:02 does it just turn off? or is it slowing down then flashing the blue light at you? May 16 13:13:12 maybe running out of memory? May 16 13:13:17 RST38h: STUPID COMMENT STUPID? May 16 13:13:38 Blafasel++ May 16 13:13:39 yea May 16 13:13:41 Blafasel: I seem to have that too, more and more lately.. May 16 13:13:42 :-) May 16 13:14:10 Blafasel: 10 seconds of freeze and then the display gets 'washed out' and it reboots.. May 16 13:14:24 that is the watchdog timer May 16 13:14:31 Je exactly that May 16 13:14:39 Ehm should have been to Blastur ;)_ May 16 13:14:45 Sometimes blue light May 16 13:14:57 Sometimes washed screen May 16 13:15:11 * RST38h has never seen N810 show a yellow light by the way. Does it ever happen? May 16 13:15:39 RST38h: Well, you can mix it yourself? :) May 16 13:16:12 RST38h: java *is* actually useful for something. May 16 13:16:30 Veggen: Selling faster CPUs and more memory? =) May 16 13:16:38 RST38h: It supports default RGB codes. Make it yellow or pink or whatever ;) May 16 13:16:46 What does blue light mean May 16 13:16:52 X-Fade: I still have not found a way to do it, although LED config file lists some really funky light patterns May 16 13:17:08 RST38h: There is a led API, I think.. May 16 13:17:11 Add a pattern, add yellow May 16 13:17:15 Blastur, I have an N800 so the light is *only* blue May 16 13:17:35 I take it as "Hey! pay attention to me!" (repeat, ad infinum) May 16 13:17:56 X-Fade: There should even be a utlity that triggers a given predefined pattern May 16 13:17:58 Mauku uses orange.. May 16 13:18:02 but I do not know th ename May 16 13:18:13 RST38h: http://google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i May 16 13:18:18 Wrote that some time ago May 16 13:18:36 Contains the info in more detail and the command to switch to other patterns May 16 13:18:42 Blafasel: Ahaaaa!!!!! Thanks! May 16 13:18:49 Btw how to put it in energy save ? When i woke up today it was discharged even though i charged it yesterday (got it yesterday) May 16 13:19:11 Wrote that for someone in here, quite old as you see May 16 13:20:53 Blastur, was it connected to wifi the whole time? May 16 13:21:47 Well i didnt disconnect it but it is set to max energy save for wifi May 16 13:22:11 Damn this keyboard is small May 16 13:22:16 :) May 16 13:22:50 some apps that you leave running in the background can wake the CPU up a lot from "deep sleep" May 16 13:22:58 the RSS applet is often accused of this May 16 13:23:41 Even when set to refresh only every hour or so ? May 16 13:24:06 I'm not sure actually, I don't use it myself May 16 13:24:33 RSS applet only does it when scrolling May 16 13:24:42 pretty harmless otherwise May 16 13:25:09 so how much did you use it and how many hours did you leave it idle? May 16 13:25:13 Ok but i dont have any apps running May 16 13:26:05 I left it over night with approx 3 days of idle battery left May 16 13:26:42 and when you woke up it was powered off? May 16 13:27:48 Yes and it could not power up due to no battery May 16 13:28:24 have you installed many apps yet? May 16 13:28:35 anything that might have a part that runs in the background? May 16 13:29:09 Hmm a few apps but no bg apps... May 16 13:29:13 3 days of idle battery isn't much. May 16 13:29:28 Maybe i accidentally left skype running May 16 13:29:29 That more or less amounts to %33. . . . May 16 13:29:57 yeah I don't know if they mean "idle connected to wlan" or "idle with all radios and screen off" May 16 13:29:59 But that shouldnt consume all resources and drain battery right May 16 13:30:07 Considering that you'll only get about 3 days connected to wifi at 100%, it sounds about right. May 16 13:30:11 * sp3000 guesstimates skype would May 16 13:30:11 it depends on how it's written May 16 13:30:18 idle is totally idle. May 16 13:30:37 Radios off, CPU sleeping, screen off. May 16 13:30:42 either way, just put it in offline mode overnight if you can't plug it into a charger May 16 13:30:44 * sp3000 doesn't know how well it idles but using it sure warms things up nicely :) May 16 13:30:46 Well i guess i hsve to try again May 16 13:30:57 Thanks May 16 13:31:02 It idles really nicely on wifi. May 16 13:31:15 ("it" being skype) May 16 13:31:26 No, it being the NIT. May 16 13:31:33 I don't use Skype May 16 13:31:38 Er, yeah. May 16 13:31:39 Whatever May 16 13:31:44 right, in your statement, which is why I wanted to clarify :) May 16 13:31:47 But, like I said, 3 days of idle time is actually not much battery life. May 16 13:32:20 That's maybe ~24 hours idle on wifi May 16 13:32:54 My N800 can idle for at least 2 weeks. May 16 13:33:04 on wifi or off? May 16 13:33:12 Off. May 16 13:33:28 Milhouse did a rundown May 16 13:33:30 Got 12 days. May 16 13:33:35 umgh May 16 13:35:52 i would guess the idle time with wifi depends somewhat on the network activity. stuff always enters the network stack even if it's not something the system cares about May 16 13:36:12 wifi idle time varies a lot with signal quality and router May 16 13:36:17 that too May 16 13:36:22 1-4 days May 16 13:37:46 that is something to think about...ever time something else spews a broadcast it wakes up the tablet, huh? May 16 13:58:45 woo! May 16 13:58:49 ke-recv is open source May 16 13:58:55 as of now May 16 13:59:02 what's that? May 16 13:59:23 ke-recv - Program for receiving kevents from the kernel etc. May 16 14:00:02 check maemo-dev, but it interacts with sysfs and HAL for mmc and storage stuff May 16 14:01:02 hmm May 16 14:01:40 fwns May 16 14:01:40 sounds like another udev replacement May 16 14:02:15 higher up the stack than udev May 16 14:07:36 hey, is there a tool that can take an arbitrary ogg or avi video file and optimize it for N810 playback? like resize it, perhaps re-encode with a more suitable codec May 16 14:08:05 Blastur: What OS do you use? May 16 14:08:10 tablet-encode but it produces shitty quality with default settings May 16 14:08:15 Windows, Mac. Linux? May 16 14:08:22 On Windows, you can use Nokia Video Converter but it is a pig May 16 14:08:24 vililikku: windows, but i also have ubuntu May 16 14:08:39 <||cw> mencoder May 16 14:08:41 So, just get yourself mencoder and play with settings May 16 14:08:47 okay, cool May 16 14:08:49 thanks May 16 14:08:56 for geeks: http://www.me3dia.com/archives/2008/02/26/hex_silliness/index.php May 16 14:09:01 is there a GUI for that, or do i have to commandline on its ass? :) May 16 14:09:12 no gui for mencoder May 16 14:09:20 Blastur: http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 May 16 14:09:25 Blastur: Just try Nokia Video Convertor on windows.. May 16 14:09:28 what settings do you recommend for videos on the n810? resolutions, bitrate etc May 16 14:09:29 vililikku: NOOOOOooo! May 16 14:09:31 <||cw> there are 3rd party gui's May 16 14:09:39 RST38h: :) May 16 14:09:50 RST38h: mencoder is hard for newbies May 16 14:10:08 i have used mencoder before May 16 14:10:11 And if you are using windows, you are already lost, so .. :) May 16 14:10:16 Blastur: And http://xoomer.alice.it/sepaolo/n800vc/ May 16 14:10:18 i just remember it was a bitch with all the parameters May 16 14:10:55 color of #F1A5C0 is pink :) May 16 14:12:19 Blastur: Default settings is often good May 16 14:13:23 hmm ke-recv does alot more than i thought it did May 16 14:17:07 http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh May 16 14:17:23 Blastur: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html May 16 14:38:16 vili: Nokia's software just does not work well May 16 14:38:27 Slow by itself and slows computer to a crawl May 16 14:39:28 KotCzarny, that's an interesting script :) May 16 14:39:49 I wonder what the difference is between standby and mem May 16 14:39:50 johnx: yeah, i'm wondering about it's purpose :) May 16 14:40:04 aah...I thought you wrote it May 16 14:40:12 is it possible to replace the internal memory card of the n810? May 16 14:40:25 Blastur, not without a soldering iron May 16 14:40:28 with a bigger on that is May 16 14:40:29 nah, just some nice tricks in it that i felt like sharing May 16 14:40:48 ok, .. im pretty good with the soldering iron though May 16 14:40:49 well its purpose is pretty obvious May 16 14:40:49 =) May 16 14:41:11 johnx: but, it looks like it's a deeper sleep than regular idle sleep May 16 14:41:14 Blastur, that's good cause this should be a real challenge for you May 16 14:41:23 yeah, definitely May 16 14:41:37 KotCzarny, that script was posted somewhere on ITT May 16 14:41:43 I think with explanation May 16 14:41:51 I just don't know the difference bettween standby and "mem" in terms of what parts are running May 16 14:42:34 morning May 16 14:42:41 afternoon May 16 14:42:47 mornin' May 16 14:42:54 mournin' May 16 14:43:01 :) May 16 14:43:11 (i should be sleeping) May 16 14:43:23 you sleep? May 16 14:43:28 sometimes May 16 14:43:41 every couple days or what? May 16 14:43:57 KotCzarny, if you are like my ex-cat, you would be sleeping 24/7 :p May 16 14:44:10 cats never sleep May 16 14:44:20 Oh believe me, my one did... May 16 14:44:23 they just trick us that they do May 16 14:47:16 timeless: btw, I'm the Rob you just met :) May 16 14:47:47 thanks for the cookie May 16 14:48:56 Mmmm, cookies. May 16 14:49:16 3rd party cookies are suspicious May 16 14:49:25 be aware jaffa May 16 14:49:26 ;) May 16 14:50:01 Get them from my repo! They have been personally tested... May 16 14:50:14 personally tasted? May 16 14:50:17 yuck. May 16 14:50:18 :) May 16 14:50:24 :P :) May 16 14:50:27 who wants bitten cookies May 16 14:50:33 ``they are good, i tasted them'' May 16 14:50:43 haha May 16 14:50:47 *looks at dewy cookie* May 16 14:50:54 * qwerty111 is reminded of candy lyrics May 16 14:53:46 * qwerty111 is happy. I just got pulseaudio compiled for ARMEL. But I'm gonna crap myself trying to set it up for N800... May 16 14:54:14 yeah, it was kind of a pain May 16 14:54:29 it looks more complicated than esd so I have up and made sound work directly in debian May 16 14:54:37 s/have/gave May 16 14:55:02 johnx, I recompiled Xomap last night May 16 14:55:05 Nice :). I like sound playing from headset and speaker at the same time :D May 16 14:55:25 Gracana, cool! with dpms? May 16 14:55:30 no May 16 14:55:32 I disabled builtin-fonts-only. May 16 14:55:39 gracana: try adding vfp to DEB_PKG_OPTIONS May 16 14:55:39 So I could have external fonts. May 16 14:55:41 or something May 16 14:55:52 forgot the variable name May 16 14:56:09 qwerty111, works fine in debian May 16 14:56:11 you should find it in the rules though May 16 14:56:22 might be able to do it on os2008 as well May 16 14:56:51 johnx, I mean in debian :) May 16 14:56:56 aah May 16 14:57:03 Where is DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS (I see it referenced in debian/rules) defined? May 16 14:57:19 it's an env variable May 16 14:57:36 do you can set it with: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="vfp" May 16 14:57:47 then running build May 16 14:58:36 * Gracana tries May 16 15:08:02 heh May 16 15:08:08 forgot the hildon libs were there May 16 15:08:23 where? May 16 15:08:32 in the debian repos May 16 15:08:36 yeah May 16 15:08:43 I just installed a bunch of them by accident May 16 15:08:50 yeah, they're working on tinymail May 16 15:08:55 'installed by accident' May 16 15:08:57 lol May 16 15:08:57 I want to try and get modest working for the zaurus May 16 15:09:31 maybe not the whole maemo environment but there are a lot of nice apps written w/ hildon May 16 15:10:06 ugh, damn it May 16 15:10:08 Okay, here's the latest test of xomap. http://nyus.joshuawise.com/upload/data/xserver-xomap_5.deb May 16 15:10:26 I forgot that sdl was one of the packages debian splits up into nonsense May 16 15:10:30 version string is bad May 16 15:10:34 is this built with debian dependencies or os2008 dependencies? May 16 15:10:42 you have to keep it the same as original one May 16 15:10:48 Gracana, compile it with dpms! May 16 15:10:50 otherwise apt-get would bitch May 16 15:11:03 (when you try to install anything else) May 16 15:11:11 KotCzarny, me? May 16 15:11:15 gracana: yes May 16 15:11:32 hm May 16 15:11:40 Gracana, is this for debian? May 16 15:11:43 afair there is b0rkage in maemo that some system packages depend on EXACT versions May 16 15:11:43 I've been installing with dpkg. Does that make a difference? May 16 15:11:46 yeah johnx May 16 15:11:54 KotCzarny, doesn't matter then May 16 15:12:01 what does libxsp0 use? May 16 15:12:03 er May 16 15:12:05 ahm May 16 15:12:07 what _is_ libxsp0? May 16 15:12:11 all right, going home May 16 15:12:15 i though you are doing it for maemo? May 16 15:12:19 *thought May 16 15:12:24 no :P May 16 15:12:28 not you May 16 15:12:29 :P May 16 15:12:30 all the cool people are packaging for debian these days :D May 16 15:12:41 hehe May 16 15:12:53 osso-software-version bitches and remember jott had version problem with xserver. apt-get will still bitch regardless if it is installed via dpkg. May 16 15:13:13 Navi, something about omap specific scaling code I *think* May 16 15:13:23 mmk May 16 15:13:41 I'm going to set up that debian chroot now >_> May 16 15:13:53 qwerty111, in debian-land we don't have none of your "osso-software-version" nonsense May 16 15:13:57 :D May 16 15:14:13 Oh, is this for debian? :) May 16 15:14:16 Sorry, my bad. May 16 15:14:17 but you have some other nonsense in debian land ;) May 16 15:14:19 I'm free to install software with a version string of "zebra" May 16 15:14:22 Damn, we're going in circles May 16 15:14:52 I should bind "It's for Debian" to something... May 16 15:14:53 Does scratchbox come with gtkmm by default? May 16 15:15:13 hmm May 16 15:15:14 I think not...let me check May 16 15:15:27 I don't know where I left the debian tarball May 16 15:15:28 :/ May 16 15:15:46 ask google May 16 15:15:47 :> May 16 15:15:56 * KotCzarny remembers the trick with lost keys May 16 15:15:57 ;) May 16 15:16:20 Google: Where are my keys? May 16 15:16:54 if google knows that I'd be kinda scared May 16 15:16:58 just a *little* May 16 15:17:02 ;) May 16 15:17:13 but then you would be happy May 16 15:17:16 * qwerty111 remembers my friend tricking teacher with peteranswers.... May 16 15:17:21 not needing to remember it anymore May 16 15:17:23 ;) May 16 15:17:47 Xomap is still slow. May 16 15:18:01 Time to try a normal build. May 16 15:18:01 the bus the LCD controller sits on is slow May 16 15:18:22 :P May 16 15:18:42 Haha, well, it's slower than normal. :P May 16 15:18:46 ah May 16 15:20:15 wth are peteranswers? May 16 15:20:39 conceptually the bus the LCD controller sits on could be likened to a cart towed by a dilapidated tortoise May 16 15:21:04 heh May 16 15:21:15 well May 16 15:21:18 Blafasel, it's a prank site people like to use May 16 15:21:28 * qwerty111 for one May 16 15:21:32 that's because accel available on the chip is not used May 16 15:21:47 for this or other reason May 16 15:22:58 still doesn't help the total number of fullscreen refreshes you can do in a second May 16 15:23:03 KotCzarny: what accel is this? May 16 15:23:42 The LCD controller scaling can and is used afaik, I don't think there's any other accel available May 16 15:24:52 lardman: iva ? May 16 15:25:20 yeah, but it's a separate chip so does it count? May 16 15:25:26 but I suppose yes May 16 15:25:36 isn't that just for video? May 16 15:25:38 but contained in the same package? May 16 15:25:41 * Navi listens to "King of Spain" May 16 15:25:42 not normal screen draws? May 16 15:25:52 IVA's a vide/audio decoder. May 16 15:25:54 johnx: presumably could do whatever, depending on what tasks you send it May 16 15:25:58 Navi, it will steal your *life* away! May 16 15:26:07 video* May 16 15:26:19 johnx, I bought the album :P May 16 15:26:33 * johnx shakes his head...It's already too late May 16 15:26:57 Well, if it turns out that using external fonts is too slow, then hopefully I can at least include some sane internal ones. May 16 15:27:07 Oh yeah, thats' that dodgy song in Debian May 16 15:27:41 johnx was using it to test his sound May 16 15:27:43 wtf? May 16 15:27:49 tar errored out May 16 15:27:51 dodgy indeed! May 16 15:28:09 * Navi checks his disk space May 16 15:28:22 home time May 16 15:29:46 Quick survey: http://craphound.com/littlebrother/download/ - any suggestion which ebook format I should pick for my device/fbreader? May 16 15:30:12 html May 16 15:30:20 "* FBReader: FB2 file May 16 15:30:20 (Thanks, B. Ross Ashley!) May 16 15:30:20 " May 16 15:30:23 or the fb2 reader of course May 16 15:30:37 oh yeah May 16 15:30:43 I like html cause it works anywhere... May 16 15:30:44 fbreader is in the debian repos too May 16 15:31:12 qwerty111: Stupid me. May 16 15:31:23 bleh May 16 15:31:25 I hate APT May 16 15:31:45 <3 apt May 16 15:32:07 apt is awesome May 16 15:32:14 Hate it :P May 16 15:32:15 I think China has fake market covered : http://www.fbreader.org/third-party/broncho/ May 16 15:32:18 * qwerty111 rolls eyes May 16 15:33:27 using courier as system font? May 16 15:33:29 O.o May 16 15:33:31 * KotCzarny vomits May 16 15:33:47 it's probably just part of a Chinese font May 16 15:34:32 johnx, is there any chance of getting mice to work in debian? May 16 15:35:12 that's all a question of xomap I think May 16 15:35:21 KotCzarny, do you know what modifications have been made to make Xomap omap-y? May 16 15:35:28 hm May 16 15:35:30 hmm? May 16 15:35:51 It's just modified TinyX, right? May 16 15:35:55 it you want buzzword it's Kdrive May 16 15:36:01 or whatever it's spelled May 16 15:36:36 you have the sources, peek inside May 16 15:36:37 :) May 16 15:36:39 * Navi np: Gulf War Song [Moxy Fruvous] May 16 15:36:44 yeah...you might even be able to pass another -mouse to it and have it look at /dev/input/mice May 16 15:36:51 bleh, it changed May 16 15:37:04 johnx: it should be enabled by default :/ May 16 15:37:25 it is or it *should*? May 16 15:37:26 johnx, this is your fault. May 16 15:37:34 hmm? May 16 15:37:36 in maemo May 16 15:37:47 i haven't tried debian yet May 16 15:37:48 :) May 16 15:37:54 then why are people complaining about mouse stuff? May 16 15:38:01 just set a cursor and you're fine, right? May 16 15:38:10 Mice should? Mice don't work in ITOS May 16 15:38:18 * KotCzarny doesn't have a usb adapter May 16 15:38:22 no usb mouse support in either May 16 15:38:22 can't check May 16 15:38:44 +one May 16 15:39:06 chosen one? May 16 15:39:07 ;) May 16 15:39:07 Someone made unoffiical mice support for OS2008 May 16 15:39:14 Works *ok* May 16 15:39:22 (not tried by me) May 16 15:39:40 qwerty111, what does it do? May 16 15:39:43 the cursor updates pretty slowly May 16 15:40:03 I should make a tslib package so I don't have to keep editing the control file of the generated debs May 16 15:40:06 Better yet May 16 15:40:14 johnx, can I have your fake tslib? May 16 15:40:34 I don't think I have it anymore May 16 15:40:39 o May 16 15:40:44 oh* May 16 15:40:51 it had conflict issues...just edit the control of the *source* package :) May 16 15:41:09 johnx, Can't remember exactly. udev file and some pollers afaik. Not the greatest of support however. May 16 15:41:17 I can't, it automatically generates that dependency May 16 15:41:37 If I remove tslib from the source package, then it has no tslib May 16 15:41:42 or maybe I am making that up May 16 15:41:55 change it to libts with no version May 16 15:42:28 oh, okay, I'll do that nex time May 16 15:47:39 Still seems slow. May 16 15:47:55 I should load up the old Xomap just to make sure. May 16 15:49:15 * Gracana would probably benefit from having less than 35 tabs open May 16 15:50:03 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2d4_1204205840 May 16 15:50:05 meheheheheh May 16 15:52:43 haha *WHAM* "Um.." *everyone is just shocked* May 16 15:52:58 'seemed like a good idea at the time' ;) May 16 15:53:08 haha I bet it did May 16 15:53:26 basic geometry here folks May 16 15:53:28 though my first thought was, wait, that tree is too tall May 16 15:53:32 yeah May 16 15:53:47 what were they expecting to happen? May 16 15:53:51 i like the silence after the 'bam' May 16 15:53:52 ;) May 16 15:53:58 yeah hehe May 16 15:55:17 *sigh* I hate being the obsessive type May 16 15:55:34 summatusmentis: try lsd May 16 15:55:34 :) May 16 15:55:43 it will make or break you May 16 15:55:53 either way your problem will end :) May 16 15:56:02 KotCzarny: that seems like a bad solution to the problem May 16 15:56:09 Nah, a true linux geek would have fun with esd. May 16 15:56:17 esd sucks May 16 15:56:18 :) May 16 15:56:32 I know, I use Pulse with alsa :) May 16 15:56:34 *gasp* don't tell raster that May 16 15:56:45 the idea of having multiplexed audio input is nice May 16 15:56:46 oh wait.... sorry, wrong channel May 16 15:56:55 Pfft May 16 15:57:00 OSS4 by itself here May 16 15:57:02 but it sucks too much cpu May 16 15:57:10 esd was a necessary solution before alsa/dmix May 16 15:57:56 It would have cost them about $20 to rent a chainsaw from Home Depot. May 16 15:57:56 That might have ended up with a funnier video too. May 16 15:57:57 lol May 16 15:58:31 Um. Well, okay. Apparently my performance issues were entirely made up. May 16 15:58:38 Gracana, liar May 16 15:58:38 The old Xomap is jus as slow. May 16 15:58:44 gracana: lol May 16 15:58:49 xbench ? May 16 15:58:50 :) May 16 15:59:00 there was gtk testing app too May 16 15:59:11 how to I made fast? May 16 15:59:49 Seriously though, I don't think it's this slow in ITOS. May 16 16:00:03 Gracana, what's slow? May 16 16:00:15 Screen refreshes May 16 16:00:30 It was that slow May 16 16:01:00 You just didn't get to see it's slowness because apps were designed to hide it :P May 16 16:01:12 no moving of windows in ITOS May 16 16:01:16 It might not even be so bad if the refreshes were just *uniform*, instead of seeing tearing May 16 16:01:36 johnx, not much horizontal movement either May 16 16:01:44 that's where you notice it the most May 16 16:01:51 disable opaque moving windows? May 16 16:01:54 the tearing is pretty much unavoidable from what I understand May 16 16:02:05 only move very small windows? May 16 16:02:13 I don't have opaque moving windows, I just have outlines, and the outlines tear. May 16 16:02:15 It's unavoidable if you turn off the LCD May 16 16:02:50 Would double buffering work? Or is that just stupid? May 16 16:02:57 nope May 16 16:03:34 here's the problem: (framebuffer) <----slow LCD bus------> (LCD controller) <----> LCD May 16 16:04:14 How does video work then? May 16 16:04:18 johnx, oh yeah May 16 16:04:39 dmesg fires off a message when something is jacked into the headphone port May 16 16:05:06 Gracana, it's drawn at 400x240 and scaled x2 on the LCD controller for the most part May 16 16:05:16 oh May 16 16:05:20 or drawn at 500x2xx and scaled May 16 16:05:22 or whatever May 16 16:05:23 That's clever May 16 16:05:43 which is why video over about 6xx X 3xx starts to get slow May 16 16:06:24 Well, if this is unfixable, I'll stop worrying about it. May 16 16:06:40 er wait a second May 16 16:07:06 Is it updating the whole screen even when I drag an outlined window? May 16 16:07:43 it shouldn't be I would think May 16 16:09:52 I would think it'd be able to do that without tearing then May 16 16:10:12 well I think there isn't vsync either for some reason May 16 16:10:15 likely related May 16 16:11:21 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-January/007245.html hmm May 16 16:14:29 ~ May 16 16:14:42 May 16 16:14:57 anyways, that's it for now...I need to catch some sleep May 16 16:14:59 'night all May 16 16:15:04 night May 16 16:15:05 night May 16 16:15:12 night May 16 16:15:23 night May 16 16:15:43 the NITs probably won't ever be cell phones directly huh? May 16 16:15:51 neva muhahahaha May 16 16:16:08 I hope not May 16 16:16:29 I would love one device that has phone and browsing capactiy(embedded linux a must) May 16 16:16:43 I don't wanna have to carry two devices aroung May 16 16:16:45 around* May 16 16:17:31 * Jaffa doesn't want a phone as big as a NIT, though. May 16 16:17:40 ...and doesn't want the NIT to be any smaller May 16 16:17:44 :) May 16 16:17:52 * KotCzarny has original n-gage, still May 16 16:17:57 and uses it May 16 16:17:58 :) May 16 16:18:13 KotCzarny: ew May 16 16:18:19 hmm.. am I the only one having trouble accessing http://garage.maemo.org/ ? May 16 16:18:37 KotCzarny: does the osk work? May 16 16:18:44 KotCzarny, I smashed up my n-gage :p May 16 16:18:48 octal_sio: We are doing work on it at the moment. May 16 16:19:04 oh, ok.. May 16 16:19:39 qwerty: accidentally? May 16 16:19:41 i hope? May 16 16:19:47 nope, on purpose :/ May 16 16:19:51 :/ May 16 16:20:13 I have W810, N80 and P1i and few buttons didn't work on it. so... May 16 16:27:20 X-Fade: planned work? May 16 16:28:07 Jaffa: Updates to gforge. May 16 16:28:32 Which is always a pain ... May 16 16:28:43 X-Fade: so, would it be churlish to ask where the maemo-* mailing list announcement of the downtime was (especially if it's always a pain)? May 16 16:29:08 Jaffa: I thought Ferenc already wrote a mail to the list. May 16 16:29:53 And this Debian SSH thing isn't helping either ;) May 16 16:30:57 X-Fade: not on maemo-{developers,users,announce} according to Gmail or a quick scan of the maemo.org archives May 16 16:31:27 Jaffa: yeah, weird. May 16 16:32:23 Now, looking at http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html it seems that maemo2midgard is now the general discussion for all "maemo web content" (certainly there've been some references to it recently which didn't seem anything to do with a midgard migration) - perhaps a name change is needed there? maemo-website or something? May 16 16:32:41 Ah, but I can't check that anyway - it's hosted on garage :-) May 16 16:33:01 Hehe May 16 16:33:25 X-Fade: as the new bastions of community involvement, this has the slight taste of you having joined a cabal of Nokians and fallen into their bad habits ;-) May 16 16:33:42 Jaffa: I'm not doing the work.. May 16 16:34:08 And this is because of the security issue that a lot of sites have now. May 16 16:34:26 X-Fade: Sorry - I therefore make it a general "them" ;-) May 16 16:34:28 And a lot of our users too, so it seems. May 16 16:35:41 X-Fade: I'm not bemoaning the fact it's down, I'm saying I'm disappointed there's no change to the topic here, no announcement on the mailing lists etc. Out-of-hours in Finland is still mid-afternoon in the UK and mid-morning in the US; and as a global community "out-of-hours maintenance" doesn't make much sense (assuming that's why it's being done now) May 16 16:36:19 * Jaffa has had a bad day, btw, so may be being overly critical. Feel free to say "Shuddup, Jaffa" May 16 16:36:26 Jaffa: Security issues need to be addressed when they appear. May 16 16:36:30 And that is now. May 16 16:37:05 OK, so it's not been planned for out-of-hours? It's just being done ASAP. May 16 16:37:11 Jaffa: The mail has arrived in my mailbox. May 16 16:37:31 But it was to maemo2midgard it seems ;) May 16 16:37:53 Right. So it *was* communicated (that's good), but badly (that's bad). May 16 16:38:05 http://friendpaste.com/qukLnWQV May 16 16:38:28 * Jaffa was still surprised to see so maemo2midgard being used so much - I thought it was a mailing list for a migration project (which was now completed) May 16 16:39:50 X-Fade: OK, so apart from being sent to the wrong place (how many garage project owners are on maemo2midgard? Should they be?) it also doesn't say when it's going down (I assume "now") or how long it's expected to be down ("major upgrade" != apt-get -u upgrade ;-)) May 16 16:40:18 BTW, it's either moan about this or do some deeply involved code review, hence why moaning is winning :) May 16 16:43:29 * unixSnob is bummed to hear that MS managed to get Windows into the one-laptop-per-child program :< May 16 16:43:51 one-window-per-child ? May 16 16:43:52 :) May 16 16:44:02 Smash it and use as weapon May 16 16:44:07 window that is May 16 16:44:20 http://gizmodo.com/361390/1301-florescent-bulbs-lit-solely-by-magnetic-fields May 16 16:44:20 :) May 16 16:44:52 * qwerty111 throws KotCzarny's computer into them May 16 16:45:07 qwerty: which one? ;) May 16 16:45:14 <||cw> KotCzarny: cool. CF's in my ceiling fan sometimes blink softly as the fan spins May 16 16:45:19 hell all of them, the fields big enough May 16 16:45:28 <||cw> even with the lights off May 16 16:45:38 ||cw: spooky May 16 16:45:39 ;) May 16 16:46:16 <||cw> yeah, esp since not all blink and it's not always the same one either May 16 16:53:02 What's spooky is the wood tick I just roasted on my shin.. the son of a bitch jumped while it was on flames and landed on my chest.. damn that was freaky May 16 16:54:58 That blood sucking parasite poofed out like a balloon. I've never seen a tick bloat out like this May 16 16:55:29 mm May 16 16:55:33 ('cept when full of blood) May 16 16:55:46 you should watch some human worms vid on youtube May 16 16:55:47 :) May 16 16:55:55 THAT is spooky May 16 16:56:17 what's a human worm? May 16 16:56:29 there are a few.. May 16 16:59:35 unixsnob: for example this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GiHtUFuGgSA&feature=related May 16 17:01:29 unixsnob: for example this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GiHtUFuGgSA&feature=related May 16 17:03:57 why would so many folks quit and rejoin simultaneously like that? does it mean one of the freenode servers went offline? May 16 17:04:06 probably May 16 17:04:16 have you seen the vid? May 16 17:04:17 :) May 16 17:04:59 i'm on a slow connection.. hasn't even drawn the still image yet May 16 17:05:07 heh May 16 17:05:09 It's a netsplit May 16 17:05:26 Well, that was two netsplits May 16 17:05:37 what's a netsplit? May 16 17:06:11 garage.maemo.org is back again btw. May 16 17:06:17 Woo May 16 17:06:33 unixSnob, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit May 16 17:10:19 Navi, since you were on the other side of the split, did it look to you like I disconnected and rejoined? May 16 17:10:35 Yes :P May 16 17:10:46 near death experience May 16 17:10:54 'been on the other side of the split' May 16 17:10:56 ;) May 16 17:14:51 haha May 16 17:15:36 unixSnob, netsplit is when one (or multiple) networked irc servers become disconnected May 16 17:16:07 -or- *that* was a netsplit :P May 16 17:16:48 X-Fade: cool, thanks. May 16 17:17:37 So, I have decided that my tearing problem is due to the framebuffer being updated too quickly. That is certainly how it appears. May 16 17:17:52 Is there any way to enable vsync/tearsync? May 16 17:21:15 I'm so bummed I didn't get one of the 10 dollar 120GB portable HDDs at officemax today.. I had one in the cart.. but some bastard snatched it out of my cart since was on a slow dialup connection May 16 17:22:05 aw that sucks May 16 17:22:21 Why so cheap? May 16 17:22:53 S***! £5? May 16 17:23:00 guess it's being discontinued.. it was on clearance May 16 17:23:07 wee May 16 17:23:22 it was a 2.5 inch drive, USB2, and sata internally May 16 17:24:49 hey all, was maemo's openssh port subject to the security problem of debian's? May 16 17:25:24 o.o unixSnob May 16 17:25:31 I would have put that in my laptop May 16 17:25:41 And put my laptop HD in the case May 16 17:26:00 mancha: It is not part of the default firmware image. May 16 17:26:16 I'm trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 to /extfs, but it says that the mounting failed. How can I determined what caused it to fial? May 16 17:26:19 mancha: But the one in extras might be affected. May 16 17:26:27 cd / May 16 17:26:38 people flocked at the deal.. the site was slow. Someone in the forum ordered 70 units May 16 17:27:05 i thought it was 17 May 16 17:27:22 oh nm May 16 17:27:30 X-Fade, i see. does the devel team of the openssh port know about the security flaw? May 16 17:27:57 mancha: I'll ask him. May 16 17:28:37 mancha: It is just a community member doing that, so ;) May 16 17:28:59 ah, i am new to this, still figuring out how this is all organized. May 16 17:29:23 mancha: And on your tablet the problem probably won't be that bad ;) May 16 17:30:35 if maemo is affected then the session key would also be weak which means any outgoing (or incoming) ssh chat could be easily sniffed May 16 17:30:55 mancha: Yep. May 16 17:31:39 But that would require MITM and that is always a bit more difficult than public key ssh login compromises. May 16 17:32:18 Eh May 16 17:34:14 Does anyone know where I could get fdisk for maemo? May 16 17:35:04 back May 16 17:41:25 i guess it depends on whether he ported it from openssh stock or debian. i'll wait to hear before installing. is there a list for openssh discussion? May 16 17:44:45 <_berto_> try to download openssl from the maemo repo and read the changelog May 16 17:45:08 nice, 16 May 16 17:46:23 http://www.kahvi.org/images/10years_small.gif May 16 17:46:38 quality free May 16 17:47:34 haha May 16 17:54:45 * penguinbait slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout May 16 17:55:16 should i bike or should i goof off with my n810 May 16 17:55:28 both? May 16 17:55:36 <||cw> turn on the gps and do both May 16 17:55:43 some excuse to try to make the GPS work May 16 17:56:35 In the n800, which memory device is internal vs. external? May 16 17:56:41 mmcblk0 and mmcblk1, which is which May 16 17:56:46 when ever i use gps i end up in some farmers field May 16 17:57:10 On my n800 mmc1 is external and mmc2 in internal May 16 17:57:23 not the mount points, the devices themselves May 16 17:57:27 i have both unmounted May 16 17:57:31 mmc1 = 0 mmc2 =1 May 16 17:57:38 alright thanks :D May 16 17:58:37 thats only if both have cards May 16 17:59:08 they do May 16 17:59:18 but they're both 2GB so I couldn't really figure out which was which May 16 17:59:51 what are you trying to do? May 16 18:00:03 Extend my filesystem again May 16 18:00:18 I can't get my one partition to mount though :( May 16 18:01:28 nevermind I'd forgotten to give the partitions filesystems :P May 16 18:01:48 that would help May 16 18:01:52 haha May 16 18:02:11 I made a deb to partition, and clone the OS for you May 16 18:02:33 but you have no control over filesystem sizes May 16 18:03:04 well as long as it works with a 2GB SD card then I'd appreciate it :D May 16 18:03:20 on 2GB card, it makes 128mb fat, at the beginning and 128mb swap at the end, and a 1.5gb ext2 in the middle May 16 18:03:29 oooh May 16 18:03:30 I like that May 16 18:03:38 Can I have it? May 16 18:03:44 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 May 16 18:03:57 what ahout the other 256 May 16 18:04:05 thief May 16 18:04:15 ok, I cant add May 16 18:04:20 its about 1.7 in the middle May 16 18:04:36 It uses the remaining space for the middle i'm assuming May 16 18:05:11 Will it use the internal flash card over the external? May 16 18:05:19 it will partiton any size card, and uses percentages to create the swap and fat the left over goes to ext2 May 16 18:05:42 it will use either, but you can only have 1 sd card installed when you run it May 16 18:05:46 what would it be for 16 gb May 16 18:06:04 500/14.X/500 May 16 18:06:04 12.5%, 75%, 12.5% probably May 16 18:06:12 roughly May 16 18:06:34 no wait, I think it would be 1000/13.5/1000 May 16 18:07:02 but yes cj the % is actully correct May 16 18:07:32 How can I right click and save as from the n800 itself? May 16 18:07:51 tap on the screen next to the link, then tap and hold on the link May 16 18:07:58 selct save target as May 16 18:08:31 man May 16 18:08:45 troubles? May 16 18:08:45 I'd been saving them to my desktop then sending via web server to the n800 May 16 18:08:52 hehe May 16 18:08:57 hehe May 16 18:08:58 because some deb files would try topen in the browser lol May 16 18:09:17 yop it just displays the text, they should fix that May 16 18:09:28 it's up to your server May 16 18:09:35 i think anyway May 16 18:09:41 does it send a different mime type? May 16 18:10:00 I just used my webserver to send it and force a download May 16 18:10:59 hmm? May 16 18:11:20 odd May 16 18:11:32 hi @ all May 16 18:11:36 I tried opening it in the application manager, and it said 0 KB download, corrupt file May 16 18:11:38 redownloading... May 16 18:12:17 hmm, should be about 4.8 MB May 16 18:12:31 yeah, the .deb is 4.8MB May 16 18:12:34 but the application manager says May 16 18:12:43 Install application? install-tools.deb 0kB May 16 18:12:56 Unable to install install-tools.deb. Installation file corrupted. May 16 18:13:00 if you want you can download it from my ftp-server May 16 18:13:11 there are the debs I used May 16 18:13:14 ^^ May 16 18:13:32 penguinbait is pretty slow, but solid, I just downloaded it fine? May 16 18:13:44 I dunno. File Manager reports it as 4.8MB May 16 18:14:34 how can i make an md5 checksum? May 16 18:14:46 get md5sum May 16 18:15:01 I copy it over from SDK and use it in KDE installer May 16 18:15:07 copied May 16 18:15:28 What repository is md5sum in? May 16 18:15:33 I'm on windows for my desktop by the way May 16 18:15:41 not sure it is in one May 16 18:16:10 I am double checking the deb now May 16 18:16:16 alright May 16 18:16:42 when loading in application manager it says 5.0MB May 16 18:16:59 you also must install this from flash, do not save it to and SD card May 16 18:17:14 you also must install this from flash, do not save it to "any" SD card May 16 18:17:14 if you wanna compare ftp://thopiekar.homelinux.com user: KDEos2008 pw: kde May 16 18:17:17 ^^ May 16 18:17:44 thopiekar, that has install-tools.deb? May 16 18:18:13 not just the easy install debs... May 16 18:18:58 i was unable to install install-tools.deb, too. May 16 18:19:08 I got it May 16 18:19:11 something got messed up May 16 18:19:14 I was saving it to internal flash May 16 18:19:17 but through n800 May 16 18:19:20 I just did the same thing May 16 18:19:22 saved from windows May 16 18:19:25 put in web server May 16 18:19:29 and saved to n800 from there May 16 18:19:31 installing now May 16 18:19:47 would have just been wireless here, but i dunno...i downloaded it twice May 16 18:19:49 oh well May 16 18:20:14 Unable to install install-tools :'( May 16 18:20:18 Is there a log somewhere? May 16 18:20:27 1 sec May 16 18:21:08 yes the Log is in the Menu May 16 18:21:11 Tools > Log May 16 18:21:28 does it show up and say 5MB when installing? May 16 18:21:36 yes May 16 18:21:53 you only have 1 SD card installed? May 16 18:22:00 2 May 16 18:22:11 you can only run it with one installed May 16 18:22:17 it will find it and clone to it May 16 18:22:37 also Virtual memory can not be enabled on the card you want to install to May 16 18:22:52 that already is May 16 18:22:59 May 16 18:23:14 <*is there> May 16 18:23:30 doen it a couple time for maemo May 16 18:23:35 done May 16 18:24:09 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html May 16 18:24:16 I've done it a few times but alas I cannot do it now :/ May 16 18:24:50 cj? status? May 16 18:25:07 installing May 16 18:25:14 thanks for the link and kde^^ pb May 16 18:25:21 it takes about 5 min May 16 18:27:13 you should be hearing Linus Torvalds voice soon May 16 18:27:22 thopiekar, are compiling modules that are part of kernel or 3rd party modules? May 16 18:27:51 i want to compile a module for my usblan-adapter May 16 18:28:11 *Vivanco Fast Ethernet Adapter May 16 18:28:32 Thop, I created a new install method, which sets up boot from SD for you, 1 deb, and 1 deb to install KDE for you (the newer version I put together) May 16 18:28:34 It does say Updating, not installing, which I'm assuming is because I was trying to it before May 16 18:28:39 Have you seen usblan package? It *may* have right module in it May 16 18:28:39 Do you foresee a problem with that? May 16 18:28:51 thats ok cj May 16 18:29:01 its just because it failed the forst time May 16 18:29:21 This is so much easier than the other methods haha May 16 18:29:47 HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting May 16 18:29:53 I love that thread title May 16 18:30:00 NOT ANYMORE its not May 16 18:30:17 o rly May 16 18:30:32 yes really May 16 18:30:35 penguinbait, can you please upload the deb, if it is "bugless" May 16 18:30:36 ^^ May 16 18:30:47 no wai!!! May 16 18:30:48 upload it where? May 16 18:31:37 ftp://thopiekar.homelinux.com user:KDEos2008 pw:kde May 16 18:31:37 to your FTP? May 16 18:31:43 yes^^ May 16 18:32:05 you can use it then as a mirror^^ May 16 18:32:07 Ok I heard him May 16 18:32:09 Reboot? May 16 18:32:15 yup May 16 18:32:26 Then it will just boot off my internal SD card? May 16 18:32:36 thop, all I have in front of me is vista, with IE running May 16 18:32:51 you can get all three debs at penguinbait.com May 16 18:32:52 Boot from mmc2 failed, booting from flash .. May 16 18:33:01 thxx May 16 18:33:39 did the menu show the available card? May 16 18:33:43 Yeah May 16 18:33:48 I hit the center button May 16 18:33:50 it said that May 16 18:33:50 and it was mmc2 May 16 18:33:57 i'm a little bit confused... May 16 18:34:07 and I just booted and he was talking again May 16 18:34:07 what's the new package May 16 18:34:08 ?? May 16 18:34:31 install-tools.deb install-tools-N810e.deb and kde-installer.deb May 16 18:34:39 three new debs May 16 18:34:57 ok, cj, can reboot and bring up the menu May 16 18:35:03 stop and tell me what you see? May 16 18:35:22 give me a sec May 16 18:35:42 thop - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 May 16 18:35:51 thats the clone deb thread May 16 18:36:15 Internal Flash; Internal MMC card, partition 2, ext2; (EXTERNAL SD CARD N/A); Power off (when not on charger); May 16 18:36:17 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19675 May 16 18:36:24 that is the kde-installer thread May 16 18:36:42 ok, and you select Internal card, right May 16 18:36:58 Yup May 16 18:37:10 and it fails and boots to flash May 16 18:37:13 right May 16 18:37:15 then it flash something about mmc2 real quick, now says Boot from mmc2 failed, booting from flash ... May 16 18:37:21 ok May 16 18:37:35 Sometime the partition wont work until after a reboot May 16 18:37:50 This is the second time I've rebooted May 16 18:37:54 if you remove the package and reinstall it one more time, it should be working May 16 18:38:17 This happens only sometime with some cards, the first time you partitions them May 16 18:38:30 dpkg -r install-tools ? May 16 18:38:49 or using the application manager, either way May 16 18:39:14 that could have been it, I know the card was partitioned already from my own attempts May 16 18:39:50 Just so you know, once installed, when you boot to flash, it will fsck all cards in all slots, then play the Linus Torvalds wav when complete May 16 18:40:02 you can also see fsck output in /tmp/fsck.txt May 16 18:40:28 heh nice May 16 18:40:28 Ah, as sort of an alert to let me know I'm in the wrong one? May 16 18:40:46 Or just because you wanna May 16 18:41:22 No, see if you are booting from SD, everytime your system crashes, or battery taken out or whatever, you SHOULD run fsck to avoid filesystem corruption May 16 18:41:32 this is just an automated way to fix that isse. May 16 18:41:44 boot to flash, hear wav, boot back to SD May 16 18:42:20 saves you the hassle of bringing up xterm and doing it manually May 16 18:42:34 so if I get a system crash or take out the battery, you suggest me to boot to flash, then after the wav reboot back to SD as normal? May 16 18:42:34 it has to be done while its not booted to the SD card May 16 18:42:44 yup May 16 18:42:46 ah May 16 18:42:52 smart May 16 18:43:01 lazy :) May 16 18:43:21 Trust me everything I do benefits me :) May 16 18:43:46 well everybody else as well though May 16 18:44:11 yeah, but thats not important ;) May 16 18:45:02 still installing? May 16 18:45:20 yeah May 16 18:45:34 and "Installing" this time, not "Updating" :D May 16 18:45:36 I have a good feeling May 16 18:45:47 you already had bootmenu installed before installing the first time right? May 16 18:45:54 now May 16 18:45:55 no* May 16 18:46:07 The only thing I had done was partition the SD card May 16 18:46:09 ok, just wondering May 16 18:46:14 I was trying to mount it to make sure it worked May 16 18:47:05 did you have reason to believe it might not work? or is it new? May 16 18:47:36 to believe what might not work? May 16 18:47:46 the card/mount? May 16 18:47:51 no, i was just testing it May 16 18:47:53 it's new May 16 18:49:01 hey penguinbait.. is just one deb required to install kde!? May 16 18:49:18 one deb, once you are booting from SD May 16 18:49:20 yes May 16 18:50:05 the install-tools.deb clones 800 either slot or 810 internal, the install-tools-N810e.deb clones to external SD card on 810 only May 16 18:50:43 wow... without any other packages... like the KDE3**.tar.bz on easy install?? May 16 18:51:04 yup May 16 18:51:13 he's amazing May 16 18:51:24 it even downloads the KDE tarball, does md5sum and installs May 16 18:51:37 yes he roxx^^ May 16 18:51:46 WOOT May 16 18:51:55 !?^^ May 16 18:51:55 Booting from mmc2 (mmcblk0p2 ext2) May 16 18:51:59 I was getting sick of the crappy hosting, so I found a way around my problem May 16 18:52:08 I love you :D:D:D May 16 18:52:17 In a total heterosexual way of course May 16 18:52:22 sweet, easy as pie May 16 18:52:38 Yeah thats scary from "see johnson" May 16 18:52:48 there May 16 18:52:48 no thanks :) May 16 18:52:50 so what deb package do I need to install KDE on the internal slot?? May 16 18:52:56 on the N800 May 16 18:53:03 \j #freenet May 16 18:53:10 haha May 16 18:53:11 -_- blah May 16 18:53:25 So here's a more general question (2 actually) May 16 18:53:38 is 800 already booting from SD on internal slot? May 16 18:53:49 1: Do you have a suggestion for positioning my desktop applets just right? I can't get it with my thumb, it moves as soon as I lift my thumb May 16 18:53:58 2: Is there a way to rotate the display? May 16 18:54:19 1, not sure? May 16 18:54:25 I figured May 16 18:54:32 I can't get it though, I tried for like 10 minutes haha May 16 18:54:38 no i've go the easy install method on my n800.. May 16 18:54:51 2 the sliderotate package will allow KDE to bu turned upside down, but not sideways (cleanly) May 16 18:55:25 thop, if you are running the easy install method, you need to completely remove it before installing this way May 16 18:55:32 sorry May 16 18:55:55 perhaps wait for the next OS upgrade, it must be coming shortly? May 16 18:56:10 you think? May 16 18:56:39 ??? May 16 18:56:59 what about without kde? is there any for hildon? May 16 18:57:00 seems like its been a while, must be something coming? perhaps not? May 16 18:57:06 you think so? May 16 18:57:44 ok then i format my sd-card... and then?? May 16 18:57:47 thers no telling May 16 18:58:23 you have to remove the easy install debs May 16 18:58:26 all of them May 16 18:58:46 reverse order they were installed May 16 18:59:00 don't i have to reflash my n800?? i read it anywhere in your howto's May 16 18:59:02 ... May 16 18:59:02 ?? May 16 18:59:16 then you just need to place the one SD card in either slot, and run install-tools.deb May 16 18:59:39 how big is your card thop? May 16 18:59:46 2GB May 16 18:59:53 then yes probably May 16 19:00:26 ok May 16 19:00:27 it will install on a 2GB card, but if you have a bunch of apps, KDE wont have enought room to finish install on a 2 gig card May 16 19:00:59 if its a fresh flash, the 2gb card will be fine, and KDE will fit, after its wdone installing it will leave you about 330MB for other apps May 16 19:01:08 this will take a time ... backup my files and email.. i will feedback if it works May 16 19:01:24 ok.. May 16 19:01:30 Yes. please post any issues or success May 16 19:03:48 penguinbait, How can I access my external card from windows? I connect the n800 with usb cable, and windows gives serious looking errors about the disk, and maemo says "Unable to connect via USB. Memory cards in use: Internal... External..." May 16 19:04:28 card reader, i think i had that too May 16 19:04:39 I have no card reader anywhere :( May 16 19:05:06 only the in use partition should be not available May 16 19:05:18 the 128mb fat partitions should be accessible May 16 19:05:26 none of them can be seem in windows? May 16 19:05:30 cjohnson, check fanoush's site. you cannot mount partitions kde is running off but you can mount others May 16 19:05:57 penguinbait, Correct, none can be seen May 16 19:06:00 qwerty12_N800, I don't have KDE May 16 19:06:21 Ah but you are using mmc boot? May 16 19:06:24 I want to mount the external SD card, which is empty and not really being used May 16 19:06:25 yes May 16 19:06:27 so boot from SD is running on /dev/mmcblk0p2, but /dev/mmcblk0p1 should be able to mount May 16 19:06:45 cjohnson, check fanoush's site May 16 19:07:17 penguinbait, I want to mount mmcblk1 May 16 19:07:19 qwerty12_N800, will do May 16 19:07:42 no you want to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 May 16 19:07:49 he mentions thread with fixes for usb mounting May 16 19:07:51 yeah that's what i mean May 16 19:07:52 not mmcblk1 May 16 19:07:55 ok May 16 19:08:55 cj, mine also error on IT, but if I go to my computer, I can see partitions as removeable disk May 16 19:08:58 qwerty12_N800, to make sure I'm reading what you mean, this is going to have me edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-umount.sh right? May 16 19:09:12 mine are unmounting fine May 16 19:09:22 and remounting when I reconnect May 16 19:09:25 yes. afair May 16 19:09:26 penguinbait, They show up as letters in My Computer, but whenever I try to open them it says insert disk May 16 19:09:55 how many cards are inserted May 16 19:09:56 back to the kernel-compiling... i've got a problem in "Getting Kernel Sources" point 2... May 16 19:10:10 [sbox-MaemoKernel: ~] > apt-get update May 16 19:10:10 bash: apt-get: command not found May 16 19:10:14 cj, how many cards are inserted May 16 19:10:14 thopiekar, don't make new target May 16 19:10:21 use chinook_armel May 16 19:10:24 why? May 16 19:10:32 it don't work May 16 19:10:43 chinook armel is fine May 16 19:10:44 the standart when logging on?? May 16 19:11:41 qwerty12_N800, that fixed it, thanks :D May 16 19:11:52 no problem :) May 16 19:12:06 I am still confused May 16 19:12:36 oh, well its not the first time May 16 19:12:46 pb, about what? :) May 16 19:12:50 how is the right compiler called?? qwerty12_N800 May 16 19:13:01 hi May 16 19:13:33 thopiekar, no idea. Chinook armel target works, i didn't have to mess around with compilers May 16 19:13:34 hi May 16 19:13:39 *( I installed all available in Synaptic May 16 19:14:19 but i need to change the right target, back.. May 16 19:14:50 the sb-menu wants me now to select one.. May 16 19:16:14 I'm at a loss what to do. May 16 19:16:47 sb-conf select CHINOOK_ARMEL May 16 19:17:57 it works^^ .. big thanks May 16 19:18:01 yeah! May 16 19:20:22 * penguinbait slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout May 16 19:20:36 something smells fishy! May 16 19:21:21 supper? May 16 19:30:14 python May 16 19:31:45 So which mapping program is it that everybody seems to suggest over the other? May 16 19:31:57 I want to install that, and just get the maps for Ohio May 16 19:32:16 maemo mapper or what? May 16 19:32:41 I dunno, I remember reading quit a few times where people say X program sucks, and Y is awesome May 16 19:32:55 penguinbait , are you there?? May 16 19:33:17 re May 16 19:33:32 hi May 16 19:33:50 or qwerty12... May 16 19:34:06 i got nokia maps May 16 19:34:12 which package do i have to download?? May 16 19:34:15 http://www.asix.com.tw/download.php?sub=driverdetail&PItemID=86 May 16 19:34:36 checking... May 16 19:34:53 "Linux 2.6.14 1.0.5 2007-09-26 For Linux kernel 2.6.14 ~ 2.6.22"? May 16 19:35:01 2.6.14 May 16 19:35:03 yes May 16 19:35:10 thxx May 16 19:35:45 where do i have to unzip the files?? May 16 19:35:51 * into sb?? May 16 19:36:45 Stupid xsession scripts. They seem to act different on every system, and they never act the way I would expect. May 16 19:36:57 ?! May 16 19:36:57 * Gracana finally kludged something together that works May 16 19:36:59 thopiekar, yes May 16 19:37:31 whats the path to sb?? May 16 19:37:47 does anyone know if the ssh packages at maemo.org are updated or if they were exempt from the debian stuff? May 16 19:38:48 /scratchbox/users//home/ May 16 19:39:09 thanks again ;) May 16 19:40:15 when using the make command... how can i set up the path of the sources? May 16 19:41:12 thopiekar, post me error message May 16 19:41:42 i have none... my just asking foreward^^ May 16 19:42:00 I don't understand the question May 16 19:42:10 do you mean, the library and include paths for your C source? May 16 19:42:14 the defaults should be correct May 16 19:42:26 if you are chrooted into the scratchox environment properly May 16 19:42:47 thopiekar, I cannot remember. i symlinked the kernel source to a folder in /usr/include May 16 19:43:25 just read make error to see where exactly to link to May 16 19:45:41 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/AX88772] > make May 16 19:45:48 how do you force a n810 to power down/reset without plucking out the battery? May 16 19:45:49 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/thopiekar/AX88772 modules May 16 19:45:56 make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/build: No such file or directory. Stop. May 16 19:45:57 make: *** [default] Error 2 May 16 19:46:18 how can i fix this? May 16 19:46:25 symlink your rx-34 kernel source folder to that folder mentioned May 16 19:46:46 I have no idea of your set-up so i cannot give exact cmd lines May 16 19:46:52 how is the command to "symlink"?? May 16 19:47:11 man ln May 16 19:47:26 what are you building? May 16 19:47:34 my battery is low so i may drop out :/ May 16 19:47:37 you don't build kernel modules with "make", generally, you need to supply arguments May 16 19:48:22 balrog-k1n, power button works for me. but halt, shutdown are available from root May 16 19:49:05 qwerty12_N800: the problem is maemo isn't booted, i was counting on some button combination RETU recognises in hardware May 16 19:49:33 http://lxr.linux.no/linux/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt May 16 19:49:48 balrog-k1n, ah. I've never found way to do that :/ May 16 19:50:18 I should modify bootmenu to do that sometime... May 16 19:50:55 qwerty12_N800 May 16 19:50:57 ok, i removed the battery :) May 16 19:51:08 the sources are stored in ~/maemo_kernel/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0 May 16 19:51:09 hehe :) May 16 19:51:19 whoah, it can flash the LEDs using backup battery apparently May 16 19:51:19 like in the howto May 16 19:51:37 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html May 16 19:59:54 You know, GIMP is still pretty easy to use without being hildonised. =/ May 16 20:17:21 can you enable the webcam in skype on the n810? May 16 20:17:32 not with current version May 16 20:17:36 maybe some day.. May 16 20:18:01 what about pidgin? May 16 20:18:28 i only know that gizmo can drive it May 16 20:20:01 cu @all May 16 20:23:14 http://www.exile.ru/blog/detail.php?BLOG_ID=17569&AUTHOR_ID= May 16 20:23:18 Umgh. May 16 20:26:11 Is there some way to force N810 to look as a Ethernet-over-USB gadget rather than a mass storage device? May 16 20:26:33 "the most attractive women in our government," May 16 20:26:37 :/ May 16 20:26:40 zap: google for usb-net ? May 16 20:26:46 is there anyway to ditch the maemo ui and run straight gnome on a device running maemo 4? May 16 20:27:27 KotCzarny: I know the underlying details (e.g. rmmod g_file_storage; modprobe g_ether), but it looks like when I insert the USB cable, g_file_storage is autoloaded back May 16 20:28:44 rst: the last paragraph is the best May 16 20:28:53 "compared to other State women, Ms. Stewart is considered a centerfold!" May 16 20:28:54 ;) May 16 20:36:48 Umm, I can't find how to use the hildon-status-bar-usb package? May 16 20:36:59 can't find it either in Control Panel or on the status ba May 16 20:37:01 r May 16 20:37:12 Kot: A centerfold indeed. May 16 20:40:34 anyone have any success running a ui other than the maemo ui on the n810? May 16 20:41:10 Is there any reason to do that? May 16 20:41:24 Maemo is the best UI I have seen for pocket devices May 16 20:41:47 reklipz: yes, debian May 16 20:41:48 well, maybe you can help me then. May 16 20:42:00 hi @ all May 16 20:42:08 reklipz: or less radical, kde May 16 20:42:12 pinguinbait are you there May 16 20:42:15 ??? May 16 20:43:19 KotCzarny: anyway I can get a development environment for that or do i need the device? May 16 20:43:43 reklipz: i don't understand the question May 16 20:44:05 well, I don't have the device, i'm currently using the sdk and scratchbox and xephyr May 16 20:45:02 KotCzarny: aka, is the only way to develop and test for that to actually put debian on the device, and then test on it, or can i setup some sort of environment on my pc? (other than the debian os that is running... May 16 20:45:03 hehy May 16 20:45:06 whats up May 16 20:45:39 the install-tools.deb seems to be corrupt May 16 20:45:45 reklipz: no May 16 20:45:52 reklipz: you can do in any way you like May 16 20:45:56 why do you think this? May 16 20:46:01 *that's what my packagemanager says May 16 20:46:06 reklipz: it's a nearly regular linux box May 16 20:46:16 it says its corrupt? May 16 20:46:20 well, can i get your opinion/ideas on a project that I'm working on? May 16 20:46:21 size to install: 0KB May 16 20:46:27 redownload May 16 20:46:38 it shoudl say 5MB May 16 20:47:39 reklipz: if you are asking me, then answer is not now May 16 20:47:45 i got up only recently May 16 20:48:04 KotCzarny: ah i see May 16 20:48:18 ok 1min plz May 16 20:48:32 hehe, i'll be going to sleep soon May 16 20:50:30 We need to make a device that will be used in the field to catalog information (simple measurements. lengths, temperature, the like.). Basically, the user needs to be limited to one fullscreen application, where they can create and edit records, and thats it. Is there an easy way to do that with os2008? I was thinking about just installing debian, installing x, and then running a single app that fills the whole screen, basically a replacement for maemo, May 16 20:51:08 pinguinbait , i redownload but... it says 0KB May 16 20:51:10 reklipz: pygtk May 16 20:51:22 you can do it in maemo May 16 20:51:37 assuming you know python or willing to learn May 16 20:51:56 i will try now the *.deb i downloaded ~ 2h ago... May 16 20:51:59 KotCzarny: I plan on writing the app in c++, but I dont see the need to run it on top of maemo is all. May 16 20:52:03 You're not limited to just pygtk May 16 20:52:32 but pygtk is simpliest and fastest approach May 16 20:52:33 ReKlipz, if you care about battery life, run it on top of maemo May 16 20:52:49 Navi: why's that? May 16 20:52:50 hrhr.. Whoever suggested me to explosm here lately: Thanks a lot. Really. http://explosm.net/comics/887/ made my day, weekend and the rest of May ;) May 16 20:53:10 The power saving components are proprietary May 16 20:53:31 Debian drains the battery all the way down in 2-3 hours May 16 20:53:32 Navi: ouch... May 16 20:53:38 Well, with wifi May 16 20:54:39 You can limit the screen to just the one fullscreen app though May 16 20:55:27 just have it launch fullscreen and don't bind a fullscreen toggle to a button :P May 16 20:56:43 is explosm british? May 16 21:01:26 * Navi sighs May 16 21:01:37 Blafasel, I hate it when people link to webcomics May 16 21:01:51 I always end up reading through the entire archive May 16 21:02:30 webcomicjunkie May 16 21:05:23 Navi: Well, that's what happend to me when someone in here mentioned the link ;) As you can see I'm aready near the 4 digits border.. May 16 21:07:02 haha, I do that too Navi :| May 16 21:07:11 :P May 16 21:07:13 how can i install applications to the emulator? right now the list is blank May 16 21:07:21 apt-get May 16 21:07:36 Navi: oh, duh May 16 21:07:56 i do this from inside the sandbox? May 16 21:08:19 yeah, I think. May 16 21:08:27 Sandbox is a pretty ambiguous term May 16 21:08:43 Navi: meant scratchbox May 16 21:08:50 then yes May 16 21:08:59 so, the scratchbox session is like a tty then? May 16 21:09:15 sure May 16 21:09:33 Gracana, are you compiling straight on your N800? May 16 21:09:42 and the xephyr session is like the tty for x? May 16 21:09:54 Navi: I haven't lately. May 16 21:10:09 I'm running debian, and it has plenty of packages, so there isn't much to compile. May 16 21:10:13 Where are you compiling Xomap? May 16 21:10:23 in scratchbox May 16 21:10:27 mmk May 16 21:10:44 I'm not set up to make debs on the tablet May 16 21:10:59 using a dedicated Debian target or the maemo sdk armel one? May 16 21:11:23 maemo sdk armel one May 16 21:11:28 mmk May 16 21:11:41 o_______________O how am I using 747MB already May 16 21:11:53 awesome, it only took thirty minutes to back up my SD card :P May 16 21:11:56 Lucky May 16 21:12:00 I'm using 850 May 16 21:12:14 I only have a 1GB card :( May 16 21:12:23 I only have a 1GB card :( May 16 21:13:08 :( May 16 21:13:29 :( May 16 21:13:52 so, if i wanted a web browser, is there a default one? May 16 21:14:18 Yep May 16 21:14:30 Navi: and it's name? :) May 16 21:14:36 Microb May 16 21:14:40 Navi: thanks May 16 21:15:26 Navi: trying to get the hang of this May 16 21:15:42 It's no problem May 16 21:16:13 Oh, if you're trying to get the web browser to work in scratchbox, you won't find it in the repos May 16 21:16:25 Well, actually, if we're being accurate, its name is "Mozilla based browser for maemo" May 16 21:16:33 i found it in the reops... microb-engine May 16 21:16:37 MicroB is actually the engine. May 16 21:16:40 fakeroot apt-get install microb-engine May 16 21:16:43 timeless, that's an awesome name for it May 16 21:17:01 Navi: ah, ok, so... May 16 21:17:10 But we like to use MicroB to describe the whole thing as a protest to maemo's naming processes having gotten completely out of hand. :P May 16 21:17:14 The closed parts of the browser aren't found on there May 16 21:17:54 Navi: hmm, so, how do i get them? May 16 21:18:11 do they come when i was asked to install the nokia software stuff? May 16 21:18:43 They come with the tablet and the image May 16 21:19:02 so I won't be able to use them until I purchase the device. May 16 21:19:11 Well, I'm not sure May 16 21:19:28 GeneralAntilles, can't you do it with the N8X0 emulation dealie? May 16 21:19:59 Yes May 16 21:20:19 then that works May 16 21:20:23 Maybe set up a loopback of the jffs2 rootfs image and extract the MicroB packages from there and run them in Scratchbox? May 16 21:21:53 Eh, skin the cat May 16 21:21:56 wow, now I'm really thrown for a loop, lol. anyone care to take the time to explain to me how scratchbox, the shell files i ran, and xephyr relate to the actual device? (or have i been right so far?) May 16 21:22:20 No, I love my cat. ;_; May 16 21:22:30 I love your cat too. May 16 21:22:43 ew gross May 16 21:22:53 meow :3 May 16 21:23:24 ReKlipz, scratchbox is used to compile for different architecture targets May 16 21:24:16 ReKlipz, and can run proggies from the target you've set too, I guess May 16 21:24:27 Someone with more experience should be explaining this :P May 16 21:24:50 navi: lol, thanks for that though May 16 21:25:03 I think once I actually get the device, I'll be able to figure out it's innerds better May 16 21:25:23 * Jaffa ponders bed May 16 21:25:28 Jaffa, don't ponder May 16 21:25:32 do! May 16 21:25:35 Sleep, Data. Sleep. May 16 21:25:39 I'm just trying to think of the best way of converting this from an internet tablet to a simple catalogin device May 16 21:25:44 Hey GeneralAntilles, you pondering what I'm pondering? May 16 21:25:55 ReKlipz, shouldn't be too hard May 16 21:26:02 Maybe, but how are we going to get the sheep to do the can-can without alcohol? May 16 21:26:06 Navi, I sure as hell hope not. May 16 21:26:22 gotta run guys, thanks for the help May 16 21:26:32 No you fool. It's time to take over the world! May 16 21:26:36 ReKlipz, bye May 16 21:26:39 Narf! May 16 21:26:43 * Navi hums the Pinky and the Brain theme May 16 21:27:04 Man it's been a while since I saw that. May 16 21:28:14 woohoo, Debian set up \o/ May 16 21:28:43 lol, pentium-builder is in the debian arm repos :P May 16 21:29:29 Navi, build sum pentiums May 16 21:30:15 kk! May 16 21:30:48 bleh May 16 21:30:58 I forgot what I needed to build for mplayer :/ May 16 21:31:21 Pinky & Brain might be a good ringtone for my little brother.. May 16 21:31:43 Heh May 16 21:31:47 Just got a new E51 w/o cam (again, thanks to this channel) and play with it ;) May 16 21:32:03 Mhm. is Jonathan Hudson May 16 21:32:10 in this channel by chance? May 16 21:32:46 The Nokia N800 package for gtk-g-rays2 on his page is mislinked May 16 21:35:31 * Navi shrugs May 16 21:37:50 Blafasel: ordered one (with camera) earlier today :) May 16 21:39:17 I semi-wish I had an E51 May 16 21:40:14 me too May 16 21:40:21 what is it May 16 21:40:22 me not May 16 21:40:26 I'm happy with my E70 though May 16 21:40:45 the versio without the camra is more expensive over here :3 logic ftw¨ May 16 21:41:07 Cptnodegard, lol May 16 21:43:15 maybe difference is not only a camera May 16 21:44:22 Well, maybe they only had the camera model for a while and decided to bring in the non-camera one May 16 21:44:35 i hate marketing May 16 21:44:58 not only marketing :P May 16 21:45:43 Cptnodegard: Same price for me (prologing my contract): 0. May 16 21:46:01 KotCzarny: The cam is the only difference May 16 21:46:16 hard to believe May 16 21:46:27 Why? May 16 21:46:38 Check the specs/the Nokia site ;) May 16 21:46:55 maybe some component upgrade or something May 16 21:47:02 Blafasel: i thgouth of doing it but the current one doesnt run out until august. got a spare 8 hour shift at work uesterday so thats $200 ekstra, figured i might as well double that and get the e51 without subscription May 16 21:47:07 something not user detectable May 16 21:47:19 Nope. Don't think so. They advertise it as "business, even for places where cams are forbidden" May 16 21:47:32 hehe May 16 21:47:36 people buy the camera version, stores can get bulkrates. people dont buy the non camera vrsion, hence higher price May 16 21:47:39 that may be areason May 16 21:47:59 Cptnodegard: My contract expires in November and still I could get a new with subsidity (or whatever the spelling is) May 16 21:48:03 we strip features to fit in a lucrative niche May 16 21:48:34 Yeah, the non-camera edition was really harder to get. May 16 21:48:56 either way with a BT GPS on the way im looking forward to using sports tracker for biking May 16 21:49:30 Whatever that is May 16 21:50:04 you don't know what gps is? May 16 21:50:06 O.o May 16 21:50:20 Duh.. May 16 21:50:25 "sports tracker" May 16 21:50:57 app that tracks movement via gps and gives you a route in a map, speed etc May 16 21:50:59 Sounds like a) a well known application category or b) a special app - but I just don't know May 16 21:51:50 http://research.nokia.com/research/projects/SportsTracker/index.html' May 16 21:51:52 http://research.nokia.com/research/projects/SportsTracker/index.html May 16 21:53:11 new name for old thing? May 16 21:53:36 very detailed though May 16 21:53:37 :) May 16 21:54:29 but it depends heavily how accurate your gps is May 16 21:54:55 Cptnodegard: Interesting May 16 21:55:12 hi, I'm just wondering: is opencdk10 included in maemo-4.0.1? I cannot upgrade my 4.0 without it... May 16 21:55:42 with the n810 gps your sports tracker is going to report that you died on the start line May 16 21:55:57 mine frequently fails to get a signal after ten minutes stood in the middle of a field May 16 21:55:58 or being back before leaving May 16 21:56:00 :) May 16 21:56:02 let alone on busy streets May 16 21:56:27 kinda wish I'd bought the 800 May 16 21:56:40 you still can make an exchange May 16 21:56:42 although the keyboard has been handy occasionally, I'm not sure it was 'twice the price' handy May 16 21:56:56 with someone who has n800 and is willing to switch May 16 21:57:15 n810 is smaller and has more flash May 16 21:57:25 Pfft May 16 21:57:27 astro: not quite exact May 16 21:57:32 but you can put two full size SD cards in the 800 May 16 21:57:32 I'll switch :D May 16 21:57:35 less memory card storage May 16 21:57:35 N810 may be smaller, but N800 definitely has more capacity. May 16 21:57:36 that's WAY more useful than the internal flash May 16 21:57:39 MY n800 has more flash than yours n810 May 16 21:57:42 oh right May 16 21:58:00 and comes with cheaper cards May 16 21:58:00 for the record im waiting for http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8840 hopefully it will work fine with both e51 and n800 May 16 21:58:04 where do N810s swap to? May 16 21:58:05 because of regular sd slot May 16 21:58:06 :) May 16 21:58:06 also n800 has front-mounted speakers I think? that would be better than 810's side placement May 16 21:58:23 denny, yes May 16 21:58:27 the 810 has one slot for miniSD May 16 21:58:27 Astro, internal soldered-on SD card. May 16 21:58:34 Assuming you set it through the GUI. May 16 21:58:36 not microSD, which would be more useful May 16 21:58:45 2gb sd is ~10$ May 16 21:58:49 Meh, adaptors are practically free. May 16 21:58:53 got 24GB on the n800...thats twice as much as whats physically possible on a 810 May 16 21:59:38 and one can wear out sd on n800 without fear May 16 21:59:39 :> May 16 22:00:21 I'd be surprised if anyone's ever worn out a card on a NIT May 16 22:00:35 jaffa, but it's a possibility, isn't it? May 16 22:00:53 Anyone notice any javascript bugs in mircob on the RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 release? May 16 22:01:19 Cptnodegard: Why can you wear it out on the N800 without fear (or why can't you do it on the 810)? May 16 22:01:25 Cptnodegard: you can get 16GB Micro SD cards May 16 22:01:28 But the GPS module looks interesting May 16 22:01:36 Where? May 16 22:01:44 KotCzarny: theoretical only, these days AIUI May 16 22:01:49 Where can u get the 16GB? May 16 22:01:49 Blafasel: i didnt say that, KotCzarny did :p May 16 22:02:00 Urgs. Yeah, sorry. May 16 22:02:11 anyone any idea where I could get opencdk10 from? May 16 22:02:14 So - KotCzarny: Where's the difference in wearing? May 16 22:02:26 Jaffa: wearing the card was an issue with the torrent client (whatever the fuck its called again) i remember, because its writing everywhere May 16 22:02:29 blafasel: ability to exchange the failed flash May 16 22:02:38 mrlanra1: I just Googled for "16gb microsd" and got loads of results. Seem to be about 89ukp May 16 22:02:44 I seem to be getting some weird truncation of javascript variables on RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3 dropped back to RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2 and the problem seems to go away. May 16 22:02:56 Cptnodegard: an actual, actual, "OMG, my card is FUBAR" issue? May 16 22:03:04 so what do you do if you wear out the onboard sd on an n810? May 16 22:03:19 Jaffa: nah more like "om my card can melt in 1000 years if i leave the torrent on constantly" May 16 22:03:23 mysc: 1) Warranty. 2) Buy an N900. May 16 22:03:28 * denny grins May 16 22:03:30 Cptnodegard: ah, right :-) May 16 22:03:31 mysc: nothing much, you just start using external sd May 16 22:03:36 How can you wear it out? May 16 22:03:45 or format as ext2/3 and run badblocks on it May 16 22:03:46 :) May 16 22:03:52 Kot, i guess, so you can imagine install and boot from ext card solely? May 16 22:03:55 flash is only good for a limited amount of write cycles May 16 22:04:02 mrlanrat: with few years of continuous writing May 16 22:04:03 mrlanra1: the technology used in solid state storage has a limit number of read/write cycles. Eventually it "wears" out. May 16 22:04:03 :) May 16 22:04:03 although 'limited' is a big number, for normal purposes May 16 22:04:09 O May 16 22:04:20 Jaffa: write but not read cycles May 16 22:04:25 danny: number of cucles is quite high nowadays May 16 22:04:25 I wouldn't worry about it unless you're doing something odd with your device :) May 16 22:04:28 You can read all you want May 16 22:04:28 i.e. 10 years ago it was on the order of 10-100,000 writes to the same block. May 16 22:04:38 Why is my name mrlanra1 and not mrlanrat? May 16 22:04:54 are you using pidgin? May 16 22:04:54 why'd they decide to solder and not have slots? May 16 22:04:56 RST38h: true May 16 22:04:59 10 writes to the same block seems small :) May 16 22:05:00 mysc: physical space May 16 22:05:15 mysc, because they needed to bundle the maps. May 16 22:05:20 I'd vote for throwing away the useless GPS and having more space for memory slots, personally :) May 16 22:05:21 You only needed to write once really :) May 16 22:05:32 GeneralAntilles: you can bundle an SD card with the maps on May 16 22:05:33 and, apparently, tossing a pre-loaded 2gb card in the box wasn't a workable option. May 16 22:05:38 hrm. May 16 22:05:43 mysc: space concerns. The N810 is the same thickness as the thinnest part of the N800 (give or take), and they needed the map space as GeneralAntilles says May 16 22:05:46 denny, I'll totally trade you :D May 16 22:05:49 mysc: i boot and use sd card solely May 16 22:05:57 GA: They could perfectly well keep two microsd slots May 16 22:06:08 anywho May 16 22:06:14 Kot, to protect the flash? May 16 22:06:18 RST38h: have you taken one apart and found room for a second slot? May 16 22:06:22 mysc, no, to extend free space May 16 22:06:30 and to have a fun with it May 16 22:06:31 because I'm fairly sure they'd have put one in there if there was room :) May 16 22:06:34 Yes im on pidgin.... May 16 22:06:38 denny++ May 16 22:06:45 alalthough I have to admit even the one microsd slot they have is rather flimsy May 16 22:06:52 mrlanra1: okay, your nick was busy, so your client changed it by swapping a 1 for the last letter May 16 22:06:56 Technically feasible May 16 22:06:56 but apparently management decided that wasn't workable. May 16 22:07:00 KOt, how does that help with free space? May 16 22:07:00 denny: there is room for a second slot May 16 22:07:01 if you do /nick mrlanrat now it might fix it May 16 22:07:22 mysc: i have a / partition of the size ~1gb May 16 22:07:30 but i can make it as big as i want May 16 22:07:31 :) May 16 22:07:38 GA: somebody in management has made a hasty decision because they needed to bundle maps FAST May 16 22:07:43 Kot, i don't understand what you're talking about May 16 22:07:57 how does running things only on the slotted card increase free space? May 16 22:07:57 Yeah, I don't agree with it, I'm simply explaining the probably logic behind it. :P May 16 22:08:02 Any thoughts on this, should I make a bug report, the code hasn't been released out of private beta, so I can't include the code that causes the problem. I might be able to write some generic code that causes the same bug. May 16 22:08:04 I guess the same guy made a decision to use Symbian-tested TI GPS chip without AGPS software May 16 22:08:10 mysc, factory default is os on flash in device (256mb of it) May 16 22:08:33 RST38h, TI definitely gave them those for free. May 16 22:08:41 GA: Defnitely NOT May 16 22:08:47 they should ask for their money back ;) May 16 22:08:47 But it is the smallest chip on the market May 16 22:09:00 And it works well enough once you feed it agps data May 16 22:09:03 i have cloned os to 1gb sd partition, so i have 1gb for os (and i don't use that 256mb anymore, except for booting) May 16 22:09:10 It says my nick is owned by someone else, but i regesterd it... May 16 22:09:16 N95s/E90s/etc work very well after gps software update May 16 22:09:21 in that case you're the 'someone else' May 16 22:09:28 mrlanrat: then you need to /msg nickserv identify May 16 22:09:29 * denny looks May 16 22:09:32 you registered yesterday? May 16 22:09:33 mrlanrat: /msg nickserv help May 16 22:09:43 sleep. May 16 22:09:46 i still don't get it... May 16 22:09:53 /msg nickserv identify May 16 22:09:56 as the others say - /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD May 16 22:09:59 what is restricted to a 256mb partition? May 16 22:10:01 and uh, try not to post your password in here May 16 22:10:05 mysc: os May 16 22:10:08 Navi, johnx, how do hardware button events work in debian? May 16 22:10:08 no space before the / May 16 22:10:10 I dident... May 16 22:10:22 Gracana, hmm? May 16 22:10:24 what do you mean OS, the kernel? the kernel+modules? the kernel+modules+base utils? May 16 22:10:27 I know, I just see people do it a lot May 16 22:10:34 mysc: everything May 16 22:10:42 hrm, getting lateish May 16 22:10:42 when you install a package May 16 22:10:48 it goes into that 256mb partition May 16 22:11:04 Navi, when you click the middle d-pad button, the keyboard comes up. How did johnx do that? May 16 22:11:11 mysc: there are effectively two bits of internal flash in an N810. There's a 256MB space which the OS is installed into. There's a 2GB SD card soldered onto the board which is formatted as VFAT and contains the default maps for your region. May 16 22:11:16 Gracana, it's part of matchbox-keyboard May 16 22:11:28 . May 16 22:11:36 Navi: Are you sure? That doesn't make sense. May 16 22:11:40 What do former Palm users generally do for migrating their contacts? Run garnetVM, or find replacement apps? May 16 22:11:40 Yay, works, thanks. May 16 22:11:58 Gracana, what do you mean? May 16 22:12:18 Oh, I guess you're right. matchbox keyboard hider provides that functionality? May 16 22:12:23 Yes May 16 22:12:27 Jaffa, ah, that makes sense. and why can't you install apps to either the free space on the 2G or the external SD? May 16 22:12:41 hmm May 16 22:12:45 * Gracana fires up xev May 16 22:12:45 it watches for an enter key event May 16 22:12:57 You can, mysc, it's just better to boot from the SD directly. May 16 22:13:10 ga: we are talking about factory defaults May 16 22:13:25 ie, without user doing anything hackish May 16 22:13:39 ah ok. so the idea is to install the OS to the external SD. and what do you need on the flash to have it boot from there? May 16 22:13:42 mysc: They're both formatted for Windows by default so they appear correctly when the N810 is plugged into a PC over USB. The 256MB space is formatted for Linux (e.g. ext*). Therefore, by default, since Linux programs generally need the extra meta-data which can be stored in Linux filesystems, they're installed into that. May 16 22:13:54 Install fanoush's initfs. May 16 22:14:06 Gracana, the rest of my hotkeys are using openbox's hotkey dealie May 16 22:14:54 Hmm Navi? Well I see that they are mapped to fkeys (and escape), that's good enough for me. May 16 22:15:14 * Gracana is setting up vtwm behavior May 16 22:15:22 Jaffa, didn't understand how it is windows formatted and also ext* May 16 22:15:36 jaffa: one thing to note is when booting from sd you can't access it anymore via usb (unless booted back to original flash) May 16 22:15:50 Anyone got any advice on what I should do? First release of OS 2008 no bug, second release has the bug. I can't release the code that causes the bug because it is in private beta. There are only 12 javascript bugs listed at bugs.maemo.org. None refer specifcally to the truncation of integer variables. It should return a 6 digit integer, but randomly it returns only 2 digits. This only happens on the second release of OS 2008 for the N800 ( May 16 22:15:51 KotCzarny: into May 16 22:16:01 Gracana, are they? May 16 22:16:11 mysc: eh? The 256MB is formatted for Linux. The 2GB is formatted for Windows. May 16 22:16:16 What's the bug in fernd? May 16 22:16:22 xev says the center button is mapped to Return May 16 22:16:36 and the rest of the buttons are mapped to F4-F8 May 16 22:16:37 the escape button is escape May 16 22:16:39 GeneralAntilles: It is mircob. May 16 22:16:41 and the others are fkeys May 16 22:16:42 yeah May 16 22:16:46 Oh, fkeys May 16 22:16:47 yeah May 16 22:16:49 >_> May 16 22:16:54 fernd: is it not possible to produce another snippet of code which exhibits the bug? Or describe what the code is doing which triggers it? May 16 22:16:55 I read something else May 16 22:16:57 fkeys, like fword? May 16 22:16:57 :P May 16 22:16:57 :) May 16 22:16:59 How is the beta "private", then? MicroB is open. May 16 22:17:11 private as in unsupported May 16 22:17:12 :> May 16 22:17:13 hrmmm, very interesting... May 16 22:17:16 haha yes, like sticky keys but more obscene May 16 22:17:17 Oh, you mean the applet causing the bug? May 16 22:17:19 and you can't distribute the .deb May 16 22:17:20 Kotz, have you written a how-to for this? May 16 22:17:26 Off to eat May 16 22:17:30 mysc: nope, but others did May 16 22:17:50 have a link offhand? :) May 16 22:17:52 GeneralAntilles: Private as in the website that mircob produces the error in when visting is in private beta. Not microb. May 16 22:18:07 mysc, unfortunatelly, not May 16 22:18:14 but should show up in google May 16 22:18:14 mysc, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 May 16 22:18:31 Kot, why won't the sd be viewable when the nit is a usb slave? May 16 22:18:40 danke GA May 16 22:18:43 fernd: try and raise the bug with as much information as possible. May 16 22:18:44 mysc, because it's in use May 16 22:19:01 so usb controller can't get the card access May 16 22:19:14 aha... May 16 22:19:47 it's like trying to mount one external usb hdd to two computers May 16 22:20:49 yep May 16 22:21:38 so, in sum, your 256 is a bootloader (pretty much), your 2G has maps, and your OS+userland is on an ext mini SD? May 16 22:21:44 the it should disable the card then, that "feature" has annoyed the shit out of me May 16 22:21:52 i have n800 May 16 22:22:10 oh, does this not apply to an 810? May 16 22:22:11 What feature, Cptnodegard? May 16 22:22:48 so my 256 has factory os and everything and i have partitioned my 4gb card into 3gb vfat (windows) and 1gb ext3 (linux) May 16 22:22:55 and cloned os to that 1gb partition May 16 22:23:08 GeneralAntilles: that it wont let memory cards mount when put in slave mode... every time i got that message the card wasnt actually in use, and even if it was the usb cable plugged in should prioritice that May 16 22:23:39 It WAS in use, or it would've been mounted. :P May 16 22:24:05 Just use sshfs or sftp and save yourself the trouble. May 16 22:24:17 mysc: treat n810 as a n800 with 2gb card inserted into one of the slots May 16 22:24:26 and glued into it May 16 22:24:26 :> May 16 22:24:26 if the card is in use after the thing has been idling with no apps running for 2 hours then its doing something i fair has to do with world domination May 16 22:24:33 :p May 16 22:24:55 Jaffa: Thanks, I might be able to generate some snippets, but the testbed does have some heavy requirements. It use xmlhttp calls to return a bunch of data. This is all managed by hibernate and uses XML-RPC. The main problem is that it seems to be so random that I can't isolate anything that would be triggering the bug. So say I return a 100 items one time it will truncate the id of item 75 and the next it will truncate the id of 43. It is May 16 22:26:28 i hadn't thought about burning up the soldered card until now :( May 16 22:26:37 mysc: sorry May 16 22:26:38 :) May 16 22:26:39 you guys are giving me nightmares heh May 16 22:26:52 you won't be able to burn it i bet May 16 22:27:15 it would have to be running non stop writing all the time May 16 22:27:22 without a second of pause May 16 22:27:57 does maemo use "swap" ? May 16 22:28:00 so it would be either plugged all the time or recharged 4 times a day May 16 22:28:00 maemo-spontaneous_tablet_combustion.deb May 16 22:28:23 mysc: it's called virtual memory in control panel May 16 22:28:23 fernd: still, worth raising with all of that info - you seem like you'd be able to answer questions to help isolate it if necessary May 16 22:30:36 Kot, gotcha. well that's one way to reduce write cycles... May 16 22:30:48 mysc, just don't worry May 16 22:31:11 you most surely won't be able to burn it in nearest 10-15 years May 16 22:31:12 :> May 16 22:31:52 Jaffa: Great.. i'll post it at bugs.maemo I suppose if they need snippets they will let me know. May 16 22:33:13 fernd: exactly, bet to have a bug logged than not May 16 22:33:26 anyone know how long it takes to charge the n810? i just bought a new one today May 16 22:34:41 Kot, i guess so. i just obsess with s*it like this :) May 16 22:35:13 nevertheless, your lesson was still valid so i can extend my root filesystem beyond the 256...now i just have to wait for my n810 to arrive May 16 22:35:30 clone, not extend May 16 22:35:30 :) May 16 22:38:32 LowRadio, 3 hours May 16 22:38:42 something like 30-50 minutes to 80% May 16 22:38:50 You can use it while it's charging. May 16 22:42:57 hmm been over 5 hours changing May 16 22:43:08 and still shows 'charging' ? May 16 22:43:12 yeah May 16 22:43:17 o.o May 16 22:43:36 do you use original charger? May 16 22:43:37 its off also May 16 22:43:41 yeah May 16 22:43:50 all fresh out of the box new May 16 22:43:52 hum May 16 22:44:03 maybe you have broken electricity May 16 22:44:07 (just kidding) May 16 22:44:09 :) May 16 22:44:27 well ill wait a bit longer May 16 22:44:35 Just turn it on. May 16 22:44:49 does it take longer to charge if i turn it on? May 16 22:44:56 a little May 16 22:44:59 but not that much May 16 22:45:06 the cloning howtos sound complicated :) redpill mode? May 16 22:45:29 It's not hard May 16 22:45:32 Just follow the directions. May 16 22:45:43 or just ignore the concept :> May 16 22:45:48 GA, yeah, must just seem so given i am only reading, no device yet May 16 22:46:04 Mostly the issue is that the partitioning tools on the tablet kinda such ass. May 16 22:46:16 You can just partition it on a computer save yourself most of the headaches. May 16 22:46:39 oh, you mean the fugly sfdisk? May 16 22:46:50 didn't you see my deb? May 16 22:47:13 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639 May 16 22:47:21 no sfdisk needed May 16 22:47:26 not by you anyway May 16 22:47:43 1 deb to clone flash to SD and install bootmenu May 16 22:47:54 tada!! May 16 22:47:57 1 deb to rule tthem all May 16 22:47:58 ;) May 16 22:48:29 It sure is handy, you can clone new system in about 5 minutes, by installing 1 deb May 16 22:48:49 penguinbait: regardles of sd size? May 16 22:48:58 I have not tested card bigger than 8 May 16 22:49:03 yes May 16 22:49:05 nice May 16 22:49:06 :) May 16 22:49:13 I think peopel are doing 16 also May 16 22:49:42 that's nice! how big an sd can you plug into an 810? May 16 22:50:01 16GB microsdhc is due out in June May 16 22:50:04 As big as they make them. May 16 22:50:08 I think 8 right now? May 16 22:50:11 sweet momma! May 16 22:50:18 I only have a 4 May 16 22:50:22 in my 810 May 16 22:50:30 i think you can get 32gb on a preorder May 16 22:50:34 2048GB is the hardware limit. May 16 22:50:34 i got a 4g cause the 8g was out of stock May 16 22:50:35 with insane price May 16 22:50:45 I have a 8gb sd in my 810, which I never use, maybe test one and while May 16 22:51:06 why don't you use the 810 only the 800? May 16 22:51:25 What do you think a 2048GB microsdhc would cost May 16 22:51:28 ouch! May 16 22:51:43 Depends on how many years in the future we're talking. :P May 16 22:51:49 2 May 16 22:51:57 i basically got the 810 over the cheaper 800s because of the kb (i will use mainly to irc and surf). i hope i didn't make a dumb mistake... May 16 22:52:02 OOPS > I have a 8gb sd in my "800", which I never use, maybe test one and while May 16 22:52:41 crap, I gotta run, I am late May 16 22:52:55 mysc: you will be happy, it's such a fine device :) May 16 22:53:08 and 810 looks nicer May 16 22:53:44 it is really sleek! May 16 22:53:52 * Gracana wishes he could afford one May 16 22:54:09 it's more a toy for me though May 16 22:54:15 so i didn't wanted to pay too much May 16 22:54:20 that's why i got 800 May 16 22:54:21 :) May 16 22:54:28 same here May 16 22:54:54 can you irc well from it, or is a bt kb a must for that? May 16 22:55:03 hmm May 16 22:55:12 i did irc from n-gage May 16 22:55:12 Does garnetvm do instruction conversion? May 16 22:55:23 ;) May 16 22:55:41 it was a pita, but when you are on a train etc May 16 22:55:48 it's enough May 16 22:55:49 :) May 16 22:56:31 mysc, I IRC all the time from my N800 and 770s. May 16 22:56:49 GA with onscreen kb? May 16 22:56:53 Yeah May 16 22:56:57 Get about 40-60wpm May 16 22:57:02 o.o May 16 22:57:07 Assuming I'm in a good flow. May 16 22:57:13 but you can see only a few lines at a time on screen right? May 16 22:58:12 How long are your IRC messages? :P May 16 22:58:28 personally, I only need a line or two for mine. May 16 22:58:54 I need sixty thousand lines for my IRC spam May 16 22:59:31 oh, the font shrinks once to add more room May 16 22:59:43 you can see several lines worth of text at once May 16 23:07:17 mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemoirc.jpg May 16 23:08:52 wrong tab. May 16 23:09:23 GA, neat. how does it look when the onscreen kb is up? May 16 23:09:47 My screenshot utility spazed out May 16 23:10:00 I'm waiting for a recording to finish, then I'm gonna restart and try again. :D May 16 23:15:44 GA, but you wouldn't say i wasted the extra $$ going for the 810, would you? May 16 23:15:55 _I_ would May 16 23:15:57 But that's just me. May 16 23:16:51 I can confirm that 16gb sdhc works great. That's one of the reasons I went with the N800 instead of the N810. The keyboard looks like it would be nice, but have 2 sd slots is awesome. I am currently rocking a 4gb and 16gb card and considering another 16gb card. This plus kagu, bluetooth gps, and keyboard makes fernd very very happy. May 16 23:18:16 * Jaffa - on the other hand - prefers the all-in-one goodness of the N810. May 16 23:18:47 The built-in 2GB + another 6GB gives enough space for a few albums, a complete series of ST:TNG, UK maps, and West Coast US maps. May 16 23:19:57 I was going to make a joke about how my palm pilot was the best choice, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. May 16 23:21:09 Speaking of which, I haven't downloaded the maps yet. I have been using maemo mapper, but I would like to give the built in program a shot. I am in the middle of the country, do you know which maps cover the Kansas City area? May 16 23:21:43 Download both and see which show your town? May 16 23:23:56 The maps are huge :P May 16 23:24:09 that's why storage space is nice May 16 23:24:10 :) May 16 23:24:21 bandwidth is also a concern May 16 23:24:28 Jaffa: That's the obvious answer.. I was just wondering if there is any info about what they cover other than "East Coast" or "West Coast". I don't necessarily want to commit myself to a large download unless I have to. May 16 23:24:35 otoh if you can get cheap ubitiquos net access you don't need storage space May 16 23:25:16 Oh, I just had a think. May 16 23:25:54 hmm May 16 23:26:06 Does the 770 do host mode? That would make this more interesting May 16 23:26:11 Yes. May 16 23:26:17 I recall that it does, but does not provide power. Correct? May 16 23:26:23 KotCzarny: Right that's why I have been using maemo mapper. But I thought I might use the trial of the turn by turn system to see if it was worth it. May 16 23:26:55 Gracana: correct May 16 23:27:22 Grancana: That's what this site seems to indicate http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm May 16 23:27:48 Okay, here's my idea. Gut my 770, put it in a case with bigger battery, USB hub, 2.5" 60GB HD (I have one on hand), and bring audio and power out to jacks on the side. Handy little ham radio computer. May 16 23:28:17 Good for capturing lots of data. May 16 23:28:21 well May 16 23:28:32 What's the sampling frequency of the audio input? May 16 23:30:03 Actually, with a dsPIC and USB I could get insane sampling rates May 16 23:30:11 This could be a fun summer project :) May 16 23:39:11 http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/multimedia/2008/03/gallery_one_wilshire?slide=1 May 16 23:39:14 mmmm, dataflow May 16 23:39:41 mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg May 16 23:46:09 mysc, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html May 17 00:24:12 Good god May 17 00:24:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3170 May 17 00:24:20 The summary is supposed to be a SUMMARY. <_< May 17 00:25:05 fernd seems to have made a boo-boo. May 17 00:36:46 Whoops... that was suppose to go in the comments... I'll fix it in a second May 17 00:40:33 There that seems better... down to one sentance at least... May 17 00:43:30 Well... I got to run. I check back later. May 17 00:43:51 g'night all.. May 17 00:50:01 Can the hardware keys be remapped? May 17 00:56:23 xmodmap is not an option, I actually need the keys to output different keycodes May 17 01:00:22 yep May 17 01:00:29 look in arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800.c May 17 01:00:40 that defines the key codes each key should send May 17 01:01:56 I don't suppose those are sysctl accessible.. May 17 01:02:08 don't think so May 17 01:02:27 actually not sure May 17 01:02:42 on x86 the keyboard supports loadkeys/setkeys May 17 01:03:35 don't see ioctls being implemented for the keypad drivers May 17 01:04:21 I'd use xmodmap, but I want to change the hardware keys without changing the behavior of a plugged-in keyboard. May 17 01:05:18 changing the board-n800.c file will let you do that May 17 01:05:35 Okay, I guess I'll do that. May 17 01:05:45 * Gracana need to figure out how to compile and flash a kernel now May 17 01:05:52 :) May 17 01:06:14 Gracana: uhm, what do you need this for? May 17 01:06:20 (just curious) May 17 01:06:28 it is pretty straight forward basically drop in config into the source; edit files as needed; make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=prefixtoyourarmtoolchain zImage May 17 01:06:36 then use the Linux flasher May 17 01:09:20 nomis, I want to have the hardware keys to have the XF86Launch0-9 functions.. That way I can map them with xmodmap however I please, and it won't affect anything important on a connected USB or bluetooth keyboard. May 17 01:10:32 Specifically, I want to make the hardware escape key into a locking modifier that causes the d-pad to either send directional (up, down, left, right) keysyms, or some other keysym to switch workspaces May 17 01:10:53 ok. May 17 01:11:25 thanks ds3, I'll give it a shot. May 17 01:11:26 no worries, Gracana May 17 01:11:34 wut May 17 01:11:48 thanks May 17 01:11:48 gern geschehen, Gracana May 17 01:11:52 interesting May 17 01:16:07 infobot luvs u May 17 01:16:29 I see. May 17 01:17:43 While I'm at it, is it easy to modify my kernel to add screen rotation? May 17 01:19:23 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19447&highlight=rotation May 17 01:19:41 sse2.net/rotate May 17 01:20:07 ahh, I was just there, thanks May 17 01:28:24 O_o May 17 01:29:00 Navi! May 17 01:29:07 penguinbait! May 17 01:30:22 Navi was Link's trusty fairy partner just before and during the Imprisoning War May 17 01:30:43 She was summoned by the Great Deku Tree to accompany Link on his quest to save Hyrule May 17 01:30:47 She? May 17 01:30:56 Navi: modest is disappointing May 17 01:30:58 Navi was a she May 17 01:31:03 ds3, is it? May 17 01:31:22 http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Navi May 17 01:31:23 hehe May 17 01:31:32 yeah, background polling of POP3 doesn't work cuz for some reason it launches 2 polls at once and runs into locking conflicts May 17 01:31:45 weird May 17 01:31:47 works here :P May 17 01:31:52 with POP3? May 17 01:31:53 or uh May 17 01:32:02 worked when I was using it May 17 01:32:13 might be the beta I grabbed last night May 17 01:32:33 ds3, if you've got a bug, report it. :P May 17 01:32:36 and when I have it running, it doesn't play tones to notify of new mail, just blue light flashing May 17 01:32:37 It IS a beta. May 17 01:33:04 GA: there is some place that will accept it? From what I found, there is a list but it is all newbies and reports there are as good as reporting to a blackhole May 17 01:33:06 GA, hows that tan coming? May 17 01:33:36 Went to the beach with my family a few weeks ago, applied some (apparently) non-water-proof sunscreen. May 17 01:33:39 It's coming along nicely. :P May 17 01:34:13 bugs.maemo.org . . . May 17 01:34:19 ds3 ^ May 17 01:34:34 ah but I have to register first right? May 17 01:34:43 It'll take you all of 10 seconds. May 17 01:35:02 If you can't be bothered to register to report a bug on beta software, then you really have no right to complain. ;) May 17 01:35:07 The registration process is long and excruciating May 17 01:35:14 and you'll get maemo spam May 17 01:35:22 worse than the bug? May 17 01:35:49 * Navi shrugs May 17 01:35:59 It's isn't long and excruciating May 17 01:36:00 the bug is I don't get notified of new mail... so yeah ;) May 17 01:36:01 :P May 17 01:36:04 I use imap, so who cares anyway? May 17 01:39:26 * Jaffa decides to finally sleep. May 17 01:39:36 Woo May 17 01:40:27 GA, what do you do for work? May 17 01:40:41 Right now, nothing. May 17 01:40:42 College. May 17 01:40:48 ah May 17 01:41:03 I thought maybe a cushy support job May 17 01:41:07 Hehe May 17 01:41:26 Was doing a bit of Filemaker work and some website stuff on the side last semester. May 17 01:41:38 Taking it easy for the summer semester, though. May 17 01:41:51 whats major, computer science? May 17 01:41:57 Yeah May 17 01:42:15 * Gracana make bzImage May 17 01:42:16 where about in fla are you? May 17 01:42:27 The capital, Tallahassee. May 17 01:42:28 At FSU May 17 01:42:34 What happens if my kernel doesn't work? May 17 01:42:35 and damn tired of the heat already. <_< May 17 01:42:41 Is my device bricked? May 17 01:42:49 Just reflash it again. May 17 01:42:57 flash just ther kernel again May 17 01:43:24 you can extract kernel from flash image and just flash it May 17 01:43:30 okay, I was quite sure flashing was done before any kernel was loaded, but I wanted to be very sure ;) May 17 01:43:40 The only thing that'll brick your tablet enough to require factory/JTAG intervention is screwing up NOLO May 17 01:43:45 2nd/secondary May 17 01:44:02 Xloader would surely do something similar ;) May 17 01:44:03 Which mtdblock is that in? May 17 01:44:27 also dont try flashing with a non 2.0 usb cable May 17 01:44:35 odd things happen May 17 01:44:50 interesting :X May 17 01:44:51 o.o May 17 01:44:58 what cable is considered non 2.0 ? May 17 01:45:01 * Gracana has flashed his kernel plenty of times before, but never a custom one May 17 01:45:14 KotCzarny, a badly shielded one? I dunno.. May 17 01:45:14 1.0 cables May 17 01:45:18 use the cable that came with it and you should be safe May 17 01:45:19 nice :P May 17 01:45:52 I totaled a device using a old cable May 17 01:45:55 sbox-arm-linux-ld: no machine record defined May 17 01:46:01 I was unaware that USB cables came in any flavor other than "USB" May 17 01:46:01 almost ruined the second one May 17 01:46:37 I can send you the cable, you tell me whst its problem is? May 17 01:47:37 I don't want your modified USB cable! May 17 01:47:45 Switching 5v and data . . . evil bastard. May 17 01:48:44 It flashed and appeared to work, but it is just copying crap May 17 01:49:08 I can't remember what they call those things. . . . May 17 01:49:34 hey it fit both ends I figured I was golden May 17 01:49:35 :) May 17 01:51:13 How do I close an scratchbox session? May 17 01:51:14 I was just glad COMPUSA had a few in stock May 17 01:51:18 exit May 17 01:51:45 are you using one of those self coiling cables? May 17 01:51:54 Pull the power cable out of the back of your computer. May 17 01:52:14 no, it was clear coat shiny silver May 17 01:53:06 there are USB 1.0 cables that barely meet the spec as far as noise and losses are concerned May 17 01:53:21 GA, I was like what the hell are you talking about? I am a little slow tonight May 17 01:53:35 Ha May 17 01:54:39 so what those hot temps been up to? May 17 01:54:49 Low 90s May 17 01:54:53 lots of humidity May 17 01:54:57 its was a balmy 68 here in Michigan May 17 01:54:57 My AC is dying. May 17 01:55:01 penguinbait, close in a different context. I want to switch active targets, but when I try, it tells me to close my other session first. May 17 01:55:08 I wish it was 90 May 17 01:55:53 do you have two terminals open inside the same scratchbox? May 17 01:58:10 Nope. I see stuff listed by ps.. *restarts scratchbox services* May 17 01:59:43 There. May 17 02:04:14 on a serious note, has anyone passed the level with the brown spiral in numpty physics? May 17 02:04:26 it's killing me. May 17 02:04:29 Yes. May 17 02:04:35 lies May 17 02:04:40 Lots of people have May 17 02:04:47 You're just not being clever enough. May 17 02:04:55 Use a catapult or something to get it in there May 17 02:04:55 more lies May 17 02:05:24 http://andrew.olmsted.ca/screens/nautilus.png May 17 02:06:39 yours? May 17 02:06:47 No May 17 02:06:54 photoshopped May 17 02:06:54 But fairly similar to the solution I used. May 17 02:06:58 OK, whatever. May 17 02:07:03 ;p May 17 02:09:43 it's in! May 17 02:24:09 I beat the spiral one by getting the yellow ball out of the spiral May 17 02:33:35 hello May 17 02:34:42 I've been looking in the forums everywhere and I can't find an answer to my wifi problem on my 770. is this the place to ask a question? May 17 02:36:11 What wifi problem? May 17 02:36:48 I received the N770 today, and it work for about 10 min. then I flash a new firmware and it stop connecting to wireless network May 17 02:36:58 Try flashing again? May 17 02:37:03 I have flash 4 different OS's and is doing the same May 17 02:37:17 Same AP everytime? May 17 02:37:20 Hacked Editions and non May 17 02:37:21 yes May 17 02:37:24 same AP May 17 02:37:29 Restarted the AP? May 17 02:37:32 Oops, I need to edit my bootmenu now, it doesn't listen for my hardware keys anymore. May 17 02:37:36 but I don't understand why it was working before... May 17 02:37:41 I did... May 17 02:37:45 once though May 17 02:37:50 Are there other APs in the area? May 17 02:37:52 I will retry right now.. May 17 02:37:52 Can you see them? May 17 02:37:55 yes May 17 02:37:55 Rather, it listens for the wrong ones. May 17 02:37:56 can you connect to them? May 17 02:38:04 but I can't see any May 17 02:38:14 hey GA, just saw your pics, neat! May 17 02:38:17 no connections available May 17 02:38:36 Hrm May 17 02:38:47 I remember seeing something about something like this. May 17 02:39:00 but I haven't paid any attention to 770 stuff for a long time May 17 02:39:09 yeah...is killing me May 17 02:39:13 and haven't had any wifi issues at all with either of mine. May 17 02:39:27 my first day and already troubleshooting :p May 17 02:39:44 i will reboot my router right now... May 17 02:39:47 I mean, there's always the CHANCE it's just defective hardware. May 17 02:40:06 is odd though it worked just fine May 17 02:40:09 'just' May 17 02:40:10 :) May 17 02:40:13 jajaja May 17 02:40:17 yeahh.. May 17 02:40:40 well...I just thought someone had a past experience with this... May 17 02:41:02 You've been over ITT I presume? May 17 02:41:13 I KNOW something at least similar has been mentioned before May 17 02:41:39 yes, I've been in ITT May 17 02:41:51 and I'm all ears (eyes) on any guesses May 17 02:42:04 I will try anything....in order to make it work.. May 17 02:42:12 Did you see more than one AP when you successfully connected to your own the first time around? May 17 02:42:13 Bluetooth is working.. May 17 02:42:17 nop May 17 02:42:26 that was odd....I only saw mine... May 17 02:42:41 Other devices see the router, I presume? May 17 02:43:06 ds3, it worked :) May 17 02:43:17 yeap...my laptop see's 6 APs... May 17 02:43:23 I wasn't able to apply the rotation patch, unfortunately. May 17 02:43:25 including mine.. May 17 02:43:51 gracana: have you done all 3 things? May 17 02:44:04 There were three things? May 17 02:44:08 No change with a reflash . . . May 17 02:44:11 Well, I dunno. May 17 02:44:14 1/ new x server May 17 02:44:18 2/ new kernel May 17 02:44:22 3/ status bar applet May 17 02:44:36 Oh, I see what you mean. No, the patch failed. Hunks failed. Large hunks. May 17 02:44:54 the xserver that johnx compiled has rotation support May 17 02:45:06 when I flash I use this parameters... May 17 02:45:09 guanacux@guanacux-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo ./flasher-3.0, -F Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin, -f -R May 17 02:45:23 you can use the kernel from sse2.net for rotation :P May 17 02:45:36 Navi, but that kernel does not have my modified hardware buttons May 17 02:45:40 Kill that comma at the end of the filename. May 17 02:45:41 ah, right May 17 02:45:54 GeneralAntilles, when you download it, it has a comma May 17 02:45:57 and the comma at the end of flasher-3.0, May 17 02:46:02 same with the flasher May 17 02:46:08 Odd May 17 02:46:10 gracana, against which kernel version you are applying ? May 17 02:46:19 Well, kill both commas May 17 02:46:25 In the filenames then at the prompt. May 17 02:46:34 rx-34-2.6.21.0, KotCzarny May 17 02:46:42 weird May 17 02:46:44 will try that right now..give me 1 min... May 17 02:47:16 That's what I thought. May 17 02:47:17 my 770 that got the WSOD still has 10 days of warenty left!! May 17 02:47:23 (weird) May 17 02:47:25 Woo May 17 02:47:28 * Proteous hurries to send it in May 17 02:47:37 gracana, all i can say you are doing it against wrong kernel, or wrong patch, or wrong patch command May 17 02:47:37 :) May 17 02:47:42 Maybe you'll get an N800 out of it. May 17 02:47:46 heh May 17 02:48:05 KotCzarny, I'll look into it more later, it was just kind of "while I'm at it I'll give it a shot May 17 02:48:23 proteous: tell the truth, you have killed poor device May 17 02:48:25 * Gracana probably did something stupid May 17 02:49:39 does the maemo/openssh porter come here? (sobolev) come here? May 17 02:50:15 Sending and flashing rootfs image (84403 kB)... May 17 02:50:15 52% (44416 of 84403 kB, 584 kB/s) May 17 02:50:20 almost.... May 17 02:50:25 Not that I've noticed, mysc, why? May 17 02:51:09 GA, because of the bug... May 17 02:52:26 Finishing flashing... done May 17 02:52:26 I will try to check for some APs now... May 17 02:53:26 GeneralAntilles, OpenSSH vulnerability May 17 02:53:59 mysc, do you have the ability to compile packages? May 17 02:54:03 You can do it yourself. May 17 02:54:50 oh May 17 02:55:06 GeneralAntilles, Did the flash upgrade to SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin but nothing changed...still "No connections available" May 17 02:56:37 Dunno then May 17 02:56:47 well many thanks! for your time! May 17 02:56:51 Navi, what tools do i need to compile them? and no changes are needed to stock openssh source? May 17 02:59:31 is there vm environment i can use on linux/i386 to compile for armel? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 17 02:59:57 2008