**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 25 02:59:56 2008 May 25 03:01:54 manually making a new theme is too time consuming May 25 03:04:21 there are templates May 25 03:11:41 php May 25 03:11:45 whoops May 25 03:24:08 night May 25 03:35:18 does KOffice read/write do MS formats? May 25 03:41:43 also, is there a way to tell how good the maps are for a certain area on maemo mapper? May 25 03:47:43 I hope someone is up....how is this for wierd. I started the map app, and after around 45 secs, my IT rebooted. Now, it will boot into the OS on flash, but if I try booting into the OS on the SD card, it reboots when it should switch from the text boot message to the pretty Nokia hands.... May 25 04:16:42 hi May 25 04:17:12 how use the libgtkmozembed+python? May 25 04:17:25 import gtkmozembed? May 25 04:17:38 not module :( May 25 04:20:37 any ideas? May 25 05:23:44 * Cymor is away: afk May 25 05:35:35 pssst.... does anyone use GrandCentral? May 25 06:43:20 Morning, all May 25 08:06:32 is there a good geocaching software for maemo? May 25 08:24:23 eichi: not that I am aware of May 25 08:47:26 can anyone point me to docs on making the debian packages? not much of a debian user May 25 09:33:12 hrmmm, my nit just killed my internal 4gb card. May 25 09:33:30 :( May 25 09:33:38 i was booted into part 3 (debian) rebooted and fanoush didn't recognize anything. May 25 09:33:48 Tried the kiss of life on it? May 25 09:33:54 hah, what's that? May 25 09:34:12 fsck? :P May 25 09:34:40 Due to an error in my bad scripting skills, I am now able to boot into debian after about a week. May 25 09:34:44 the nit doesn't recognize it and i don't have an sdhc reader May 25 09:35:51 Try plugging the usb cable in regardless and seeing if anything new comes in /dev May 25 09:36:44 hrmmm May 25 09:37:09 Hopefully, at least you may be able to do an sfdisk. May 25 09:37:14 i'll try but i have to boot my linux box. what could cause this other than faulty card? May 25 09:37:38 is there any known problem on n8x0 killing cards? May 25 09:38:59 mysc: does sfdisk -l show your card? May 25 09:43:44 nope May 25 09:44:37 maybe i just got a shit card. it's patriot May 25 09:44:45 lasted a whole 4 days May 25 09:45:49 hmm May 25 09:45:57 maybe contacts are bad May 25 09:46:02 Wow, that is shit. I paid £21 (round $42) for 8GB class 2 SDHC card and I've abused it and it still works fine :p May 25 09:46:03 try removing and reinserting? May 25 09:46:35 people, hear ya, qwerty speaketh truth May 25 09:46:48 hehe May 25 09:46:51 yeah ive removed it and reinserted May 25 09:47:15 mysc and still nothing? May 25 09:47:43 * KotCzarny used 4 and 8 gb sd cards in n800 May 25 09:47:58 this is 4gb class 6 using an adaptor May 25 09:48:28 when i put the included nokia card in the same adaptor and slot it detects it. so its not the nit, it's the card May 25 09:51:07 oh well, bad way to end the evening. i had even finalized my tweaking of johnx's beta. May 25 09:54:24 * qwerty12 just finished flashing custom kernel :) May 25 10:44:20 do you all use the internal card for swap or leave it at the nand 128 mem? May 25 10:59:19 at then 128M there is no swap memory May 25 10:59:29 I use the external card (I own a n810) May 25 11:00:46 http://omag.es/blog/2008/05/20/virtual-memory-on-the-n810s-external-card/ May 25 11:01:14 blah blah, what about it? May 25 11:01:18 jldiaz, That isn't your blog by any chance? May 25 11:01:48 well, more or less May 25 11:01:54 it is a blog shared among 4 authors May 25 11:02:08 altough only two had written something up to now May 25 11:02:17 (have written) May 25 11:02:21 ? May 25 11:02:27 excuse my english May 25 11:10:56 hey all May 25 11:11:16 hi gimmal May 25 11:11:34 hey, anyone might know what java versions jalimo would support? looking at a schweet lil wysiwyg java xml editor, but it req's java >=1.5 May 25 11:11:55 oxygenxml, fwiw: http://www.oxygenxml.com/ May 25 11:13:50 kill kill May 25 11:14:07 whom? May 25 11:14:50 * gimmal volunteers >|^) May 25 11:16:04 fwiw, was thinking that a good-enough java-based wysiwyg [X]HTML editor could be a convenient replacement in lieu of abiword/OOo May 25 11:16:34 the question, then, "what is 'good enough'?" hehehe May 25 11:19:42 AStorm: java, xml, java xml editors May 25 11:19:56 RST38h: yeah, kill May 25 11:20:02 hehe May 25 11:20:08 I now get to do some XSLT May 25 11:20:14 hehehe May 25 11:20:21 * RST38h lost 2 weeks trying to make use of XSLT May 25 11:21:04 Finally found out that the only usable XSLT processor is "StarletXML", XSLT 1.x is near useless (not event pattern matching works) and XSLT 2.x not implemented by anybody May 25 11:21:44 Ended up using PERL. May 25 11:23:00 RST38h: :> May 25 11:23:08 I wonder, can Firefox directly run XSLT? May 25 11:24:01 it should May 25 11:24:18 the mention correct xslt document url in your xml May 25 11:24:58 good May 25 11:25:16 the real question is whether you should use a standard made up by indian "programmers" with limited knowledge of visual basic May 25 11:25:35 that relates both to xslt and xpath May 25 11:25:57 RST38h: the question is not of "should", as I shouldn't May 25 11:26:00 but I have to :| May 25 11:26:11 no regexp. no joins. basic constructs take 4-5 times the amount of space taken by actual replacements May 25 11:26:46 I know it's horrible May 25 11:26:52 Oh, have I forgotten "no includes"? :) May 25 11:26:53 like most xml May 25 11:27:02 ouch :> May 25 11:27:21 Actually, there is a SEPARATE XML standard for includes, but nobody implements it of course May 25 11:27:34 :P May 25 11:27:44 * RST38h ended up running xml documents through CPP May 25 11:28:09 hehehe May 25 11:29:13 Java isn't bad imo. The mess of three letter acronyms for billions of "standards" in the java world is. And I've never found a good use for XML other than XMPP ;) May 25 11:30:29 even XMPP is overrated May 25 11:31:02 Java is bad due to it's rigidity and prevalent weak programmers you have to scrub code after May 25 11:36:42 fwiw, saxon is a good (java) xslt processor. in foss land, gnome's libxml can doit too, usually May 25 11:36:57 saxon is foss too, and libxml just ain't java hehe May 25 11:37:01 good or bad May 25 11:37:16 gimmal: wrong place to ask May 25 11:37:27 join some java forum and ask the indians =) May 25 11:37:30 AStorm: firefox should be able to use xslt, yeah, so long as the page has the right kind of thing in it May 25 11:37:50 ah, wasn't meaning to ask "good or bad?" just saying, take it how y'will hehe May 25 11:38:21 * gimmal likes java a HELL of a lot more than common lisp, fwiw May 25 11:38:42 gimmal: and I like Common Lisp more than Java ;P May 25 11:38:47 and like Python more than Common Lisp May 25 11:38:49 ;P May 25 11:38:57 hell, I like C++ more than Java May 25 11:39:10 * gimmal spent a good(?) long time beating his head against the bit-wall with common lisp; java is easier to draw a bead on, imo May 25 11:39:12 not to mention C# (except stupid M$-bound) May 25 11:39:21 gimmal: not really May 25 11:39:27 you just didn't get functional programming May 25 11:39:33 it's like math May 25 11:39:43 AStorm: nah, that wasn't the issue; was trying to do too much with cl heh May 25 11:39:49 can't even bother with java <:^)> May 25 11:39:56 yeah, CL needs strong libs May 25 11:40:03 as it's very basic on its own May 25 11:40:35 java doesn't have metaclass/metaobject support like CL with MOP, that limits its functionality to a large extent, but it's still a very usable language May 25 11:40:58 well, to say it limits its functionality, come to think of it, I think that's nonsense. java can't be java and have MOP support, I wonder May 25 11:41:38 It can be, look at Python. It's Java done (almost) right May 25 11:41:45 it could use some more static typing sometimes May 25 11:42:10 Ruby is even more OOP, but implementation sucks a bit May 25 11:42:13 well, maybe, but MOP doesn't fit into java, though. there are no 'slot definitions' in java classes, just fields May 25 11:42:31 no difference May 25 11:42:39 big difference hehe May 25 11:42:41 just make another special marker, like "slot" May 25 11:42:47 ever played around with extending CL MOP support? May 25 11:42:58 there is already static public final synchronized May 25 11:43:01 ;P May 25 11:43:09 No, I wasn't that much into Lisp. May 25 11:43:15 MOP is a big, heavy architecture, fwiw; it kind of all depends on itself, even May 25 11:43:24 overdone I guess May 25 11:43:26 never used it May 25 11:43:30 makes a challenge for CL VM builders - bootstrap code & what May 25 11:43:34 in Python, metaclasses are nice and simple May 25 11:43:39 and useful :D May 25 11:44:34 well, I think it fits the bill pretty well, for common lisp. it's just that I can't get anywhere with common lisp programming, that's the main issue of that language, for me >^) May 25 11:45:02 GUI support in CL sucks, also. CLIM is barley "standardized", and not completely supported in the one FOSS impl of it May 25 11:45:19 yep May 25 11:45:30 that's the one reason I love Python - there are bindings May 25 11:45:36 and it's fairly easy to write yours too May 25 11:46:24 cool; i haven't dabbled in python, but I've always heard well of it. May 25 11:46:42 as opposed to the nefarious PERL, muhahah May 25 11:47:06 Ruby is Perl done right May 25 11:47:09 :> May 25 11:47:42 cool; heard of ruby, been fraid of trying to pick up another progn language May 25 11:48:15 if you need something really powerful, then C++ is still the way to go :| May 25 11:48:51 ruby <-- kill May 25 11:49:00 why? May 25 11:49:12 given that all the eager idiots who advocated for Java do the same for ruby now, KILL May 25 11:49:20 ah, that, yes May 25 11:49:24 these people should be exterminated May 25 11:49:30 they tend to go to the next new thing May 25 11:49:33 then devastate it May 25 11:49:44 Python avoided that fate due to strong leadership :P May 25 11:49:46 java was bullshit to begin with May 25 11:49:50 not sure about ruby May 25 11:50:22 it is quite nice still May 25 11:50:32 but the idea of salvation through interpreted language with slightly masqueraded pointers and a garbage collector was stupied May 25 11:50:42 hehhehe May 25 11:50:54 s/interpreted/JIT/ May 25 11:51:09 Like some software engineering professor said, "If Java is then answer, then WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?" May 25 11:51:25 AStorm: JIT appeared later as a desperate attempt to improve Java performance May 25 11:51:31 RST38h: original question was: we need a language to run on toasters May 25 11:51:40 AStorm: C. May 25 11:51:40 and it should be secure May 25 11:51:44 C. May 25 11:51:49 RST38h: fails the second point, sorry May 25 11:51:56 it's inherently insecure May 25 11:51:58 :> May 25 11:51:58 When done correctly it does not May 25 11:52:16 you can't count on "done correctly" when hiring indians, May 25 11:52:22 or chinese May 25 11:53:00 imo, use whatever you feel is best ;) May 25 11:53:04 as of now, Java fails the first part of the question May 25 11:53:15 it can barely run on the strongest of toasters May 25 11:53:18 ;P May 25 11:53:45 and that only when bastardized May 25 11:54:56 All right. May 25 11:55:00 But Java is not secure. May 25 11:55:27 It is not portable ('cause stuff written for Java 1.2 often does not run on Java 1.2.2) May 25 11:55:50 no no, it wasn't meant to be portable (originally) May 25 11:55:53 It does not fit into a toaster (unless it is severely shrunk down J2ME and even THAT requires a decent CPU) May 25 11:55:56 that was added as an afterthought May 25 11:56:03 RST38h: I said it fails May 25 11:56:08 yep May 25 11:56:14 it is fairly secure with all that checking stuff it has built in May 25 11:56:21 Not really ;) May 25 11:56:31 uhm, was May 25 11:56:37 it fails all the time ;P May 25 11:56:38 * RST38h has seen a teenager bring down most systems with a Java applet May 25 11:56:54 And that teenager was stupid and did not even TRY to do it on purpose May 25 11:57:15 ;P May 25 11:57:25 yes, Java VM is buggy as hell May 25 11:57:32 that's what you get with scope creep May 25 11:58:16 Sun couldn't decide what to do with it May 25 11:58:33 and the team desperately tried to get it out and have nice jobs ;P May 25 12:01:35 * RST38h will not even mention the current size of Java runtime libraries May 25 12:01:54 (which also have to be maintained compatible across multiple platforms) May 25 12:01:55 :> May 25 12:02:12 well, size of Python runtime isn't much lower May 25 12:02:28 but it can easily be trimmed :> May 25 12:02:42 At least Python is not being hyped as our ultimate salvation May 25 12:03:01 hopefully May 25 12:03:12 nothing can save us except the death of incompetent coders May 25 12:03:16 hey everybody :) May 25 12:03:27 hello May 25 12:03:56 "coder" is incompetent by definition May 25 12:04:11 as someone who "codes" instead of designing stuff May 25 12:04:12 Does anybody knows Reggie's Jabber/MSN/ICQ/ any IM?) May 25 12:04:17 yeah, the real name is programmer May 25 12:05:11 except in scene circles May 25 12:08:54 those are "coders" May 25 12:09:15 * RST38h had to converse with a few - most of them do not understand what they do and just expect instant gratification May 25 12:10:54 wrong part of the scene I guess :> May 25 12:11:00 wazd, just pm him on itT? May 25 12:51:27 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146286/linux_may_power_new_nokia_phones.html May 25 12:51:54 old news May 25 12:52:02 nokia officially denied it since May 25 12:52:19 ok May 25 13:02:58 hi May 25 13:03:05 hello May 25 13:07:32 how use the libgtkmozembed + python ? May 25 13:07:41 import gtkmozembed ? May 25 13:07:48 module not found :( May 25 13:07:51 any ideas ? May 25 13:08:45 rts38h: Where did Nokia deny it? May 25 13:09:30 and "may" May 25 13:09:33 so May 25 13:09:46 of course it's possible that they'll use it in phones sometime May 25 13:10:11 and the guy who said it was finance guy, who thought it was probably sexy to say something linux May 25 13:10:37 he should have known better that it would be taken too seriously by a crapload of people though May 25 13:24:00 hi @ all... is there a way to develop programs for Maemo easier and faster as in this official howto-wiki http://maemo.org/development/training/?? May 25 13:24:12 roope: a moment May 25 13:24:43 ... basicly with eclipse and sb ... May 25 13:24:53 roope: http://www.fiercewireless.com/europe/story/nokia-denies-shift-towards-linux-handsets/2008-05-22 May 25 13:25:14 thopiekar: this depends on what you consider to be easier May 25 13:25:15 thopiekar, I'm not sure, but have you looked at python? May 25 13:25:24 for me, using eclipse is not "easier", it is pain. May 25 13:25:32 ive found a nice way to devlop using gcc directly on the device and ssh/scp/komodoedit in windows and am very satisfied at being able to develop May 25 13:26:22 too but i think about an programm like programming vb6. (I learnd it at school) May 25 13:26:39 in eclipse there is just a editor... May 25 13:26:50 thopiekar, my komodoeditor is configured to give my c code colored like vb May 25 13:27:24 the editor "feels" like the visual basic 6 code editor and is very nice May 25 13:28:47 lcuk, can you directly look at what you are programmin'?? (,because it isn't possible at eclipse) May 25 13:28:48 .. May 25 13:29:09 what do you mean? they are both source editors May 25 13:29:41 or do you mean full breakpoints and interaction whilst running? May 25 13:29:46 a preview of your "programmed" window.. May 25 13:30:55 im not sure i get you May 25 13:33:23 thopiekar: do you mean debugger? May 25 13:34:38 thopiekar, can you link to a screenshot? May 25 13:35:17 one moment please ;) May 25 13:37:34 http://freenet-homepage.de/thopiekar/maemo/app_vb_01.png May 25 13:39:15 thopiekar, so, something like this: http://glade.gnome.org/screenshots.html ? May 25 13:40:06 johnx yeah thx May 25 13:40:20 are there more applications? May 25 13:41:31 I think you can use glade, then modify it a bit to use hildon on the tablet May 25 13:42:38 thanks.. there was a porting-to-maemo howto on maemo.org... ;) May 25 13:44:09 h, I'm trying o install maemo 4 sdk on ubuntu hardy: I have this error : Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) May 25 13:44:19 can you help me? May 25 13:44:33 strange i had no problems May 25 13:44:42 do you used the scripts? May 25 13:44:47 yes May 25 13:45:11 I'm re-trying it May 25 13:45:16 can you post the outputs?? May 25 13:46:07 thopiekar, i think the form layout view you posted would be better on the device itself ;) May 25 13:46:12 I lost it May 25 13:48:22 lcuk, howto?? May 25 13:49:04 not yet, but what better method can you think for laying out graphical objects than with your tablet itself? May 25 13:49:39 i think there was a "little" how to on maemo.org May 25 13:49:45 using ssh May 25 13:49:55 lcuk, maybe using xephyr on the PC? May 25 13:50:10 or this way^^ May 25 13:50:26 my pc isnt touchscreen though May 25 13:51:28 you can use you pc-mouse instead of you pen or finger... May 25 13:52:41 drwx, have you installed scratchbox?? May 25 13:53:13 .. and which script gives out this errror code?? May 25 13:57:33 thopiekar: I installed scratchbox with this: maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh, and I try to install to install maemo 4 with : maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh May 25 13:58:46 I have a lot of error this kind : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of osso-games-startup: May 25 13:58:46 osso-games-startup depends on libhildonfm2 (>= 1:1.9.46); however: May 25 13:59:04 Package libhildonfm2 is not configured yet. May 25 13:59:09 Komodo is not free right? May 25 13:59:38 edit is, ide isnt May 25 13:59:42 ah May 25 14:00:01 i only use edit cos compilation is via console window May 25 14:00:18 drwx, login in into scratchbox and remove your targets May 25 14:00:19 it was no different in my linux vmware May 25 14:00:42 drwx, ... then use the maemo-sdk script to reinstall it May 25 14:01:13 but now because im compiling directly on device cutting out the scratchbox step i can use windows as primary editing arena :) May 25 14:01:33 and when i change to linux or mac i can continue as well May 25 14:02:20 thopiekar: I must use maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh ? May 25 14:06:24 thopiekar: I have the message : You cannot remove the active target! Select another target first May 25 14:09:57 drwx try to make a "dummy"-target... with any configurations... then remove the last target May 25 14:10:45 when you are finished with the reinstallation then you can remove the dummy-target again^^ May 25 14:12:41 ok, I think there is a dependency problem on maemo repository May 25 14:15:12 really?! May 25 14:17:34 I dont see another possibility May 25 14:19:05 alright, what's the first thing I should do upon getting my N810? I've been told the OS on it will be out of date May 25 14:19:46 summatusmentis, yup, flash to the latest OS2008 May 25 14:20:05 then it's just a matter of installing wanted apps May 25 14:20:12 yup May 25 14:20:14 or probably in my case, setting up a debian chroot May 25 14:20:19 :) May 25 14:21:10 once the debian chroot is set up, do the apps still run under the normal nokia interface? May 25 14:21:24 or will I need to give up the interface, and run the standard nokia apps under kde3? May 25 14:22:37 you just chroot into debian, export DISPLAY=:0 and run the app May 25 14:22:48 can that be setup automatically? May 25 14:23:12 yes, with a very short script, and a .desktop file to make it show up in the menu May 25 14:23:21 ok May 25 14:23:51 the other option would be to boot into debian with kde. Could I then do the reverse into maemo? May 25 14:24:17 hmm...I'm not positive how well that would work for all apps May 25 14:25:37 it's worth a try May 25 14:25:50 * RST38h installed radare on Ubuntu but then deleted it May 25 14:25:55 way too eleet May 25 14:26:06 * johnx googles May 25 14:26:19 johnx: so if I ran debian, I'd have to only use the debian stuff May 25 14:26:50 summatusmentis, you might be able to get the OS2008 stuff running in a chroot with a little effort May 25 14:27:26 also, there is an effort to get the open source parts of maemo packaged up for Debian May 25 14:27:39 I'm just looking at all options, I don't know what I'm going to need from OS2008 May 25 14:27:49 Eventually that should pick up a bit when Ubuntu Mobile stuff starts shipping I think May 25 14:28:17 summatusmentis, the real question is what do you *need* from Debian May 25 14:29:04 RST38h, for a hex editor that looks like overkill. I use "hexedit" May 25 14:29:14 johnx: so you're suggesting I keep OS2008, and chroot the debian stuff May 25 14:29:24 johnx: what killed it in my eyes is the lack of interactivity May 25 14:29:40 it uses command line, even inside a gui, and most commands are obscure May 25 14:29:53 summatusmentis, I'm asking what you *need* from Debian that can't be easily repackaged for Os2008 May 25 14:29:55 I have not found how to do simple things (running a program or stepping it) May 25 14:30:07 johnx: that's just it, I have no idea May 25 14:30:11 And the display gets garbled when radare tries to draw too many arrows May 25 14:30:29 * RST38h is wondering if there is a unix version of IDA ;) May 25 14:30:31 summatusmentis, I use OS2008 for every day stuff and find it fairly complete May 25 14:30:31 johnx: partially the full debian system, but I'm not sure about that :) May 25 14:33:06 I like the idea of having full linux, and not busybox, on the N810 May 25 14:33:25 You can get coreutils for OS2008 May 25 14:33:33 and of KDE, but I gather that can be run inside of OS2008? May 25 14:33:40 yes May 25 14:33:42 there are trade-offs either way May 25 14:34:06 you trade usability for features no matter what May 25 14:34:33 OS2008 is pretty decent, whatever "not debian" crowd is saying May 25 14:34:50 RST38h: no, I agree, I've played with it May 25 14:35:00 I'm a fan of debian, I must say :) May 25 14:35:14 * johnx likes OS2008 just fine :) May 25 14:35:47 thopiekar: I re-tryed installing maemo from the script, I have the same error : dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fontconfig: fontconfig depends on gconf2 (>= 2.6.0); however:Package gconf2 is not configured yet. May 25 14:35:49 i am of the opinion that tablet software should not be a direct clone of the desktop application. the interaction is different and should be catered for correctly May 25 14:36:05 lcuk: no argument here May 25 14:36:11 lcuk: I sort of agree, but I would like full functionality May 25 14:36:23 I don't want apps to be 'lightened' or cut down May 25 14:36:26 summa: in many cases you can't have full functionality May 25 14:36:36 in other cases, you can't have full functionality on the desktop May 25 14:36:37 lcuk, it depends on the situation, and as I'm sure you know: modification takes time and effort May 25 14:36:51 RST38h: fair enough May 25 14:36:51 On OS2008, can I use dbus tricks with browser_dbuscmd.sh to do some weird stuff with microb? I can close/open a window... but what else? I want to save the current page with touching me screen :D May 25 14:36:53 no arguments there johnx :) May 25 14:36:53 Numpty Physics or MyPaint are good examples of packages that work better on a tablet May 25 14:36:57 perhaps I'm too demanding :) May 25 14:37:00 drwx try to remove everything (sb, too) with: May 25 14:37:24 sudo apt-get remove scratchbox May 25 14:37:38 RST38h, Vagalume too :D May 25 14:39:09 Vagalume is last.fm compat. app right? May 25 14:39:23 Vagalume runs just fine on the desktop May 25 14:39:28 No problem there May 25 14:39:39 if the desktop applciations were created and designed with an extended resolution range and intelligently folded up the fluff leaving enough room to work cleanly no matter what resolution then we wouldnt be having this conversation May 25 14:40:26 RST38h, but it's more *useful* on the tablet. I can poke it with my finger and drag my tablet it around while I'm doing dishes or whatever. On my desktop I might as well use a different music app. May 25 14:40:27 lcuk: that's fair May 25 14:41:25 and there is no MS format compatable tools, is that correct? abiword/gnumeric, or OO.org, or something? May 25 14:41:27 im enjoying this tablet because im building from the ground up :) the results of it would appear to scale upwards better than trying to fit a large program in a small box May 25 14:42:08 there is apparantly an abiword compatible editor from the abiword guys (ie a butdown abiword) available somewhere May 25 14:42:14 cutdown^ May 25 14:42:41 and that'll probably read .doc but not .docx, correct? May 25 14:42:48 dunno May 25 14:43:09 lcuk, Good. That's very much "the Unix way." Somewhere along the line a lot of people who write desktop Linux software seem to have lost sight of that and included everything (plus the kitchen sink) May 25 14:43:12 ok, I'll look around once I get the device May 25 14:48:22 in case anyone wondered, installing webmin on chinook isn't entirely starightforward May 25 14:49:00 the install got bogged down in the post-install scripts and it couldn't fork any more processes May 25 14:49:21 however, the uninstaller seems to run ok ;-) May 25 14:49:48 erm, i mean't straightforward instead of that other 'word' May 25 15:03:19 I want to record a sound a N810 using this methode: http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Misc/GLFM/lm15/audio.htm . but there is no /dev/audi on maemo what is the equivalent? May 25 15:03:30 /dev/audio May 25 15:05:38 anyone know if hypercard has been built for maemo? May 25 15:05:51 what is hypercard? May 25 15:06:01 hrhr May 25 15:06:17 Ha May 25 15:06:18 Hypercard, the apple stack stuff? May 25 15:06:20 lcuk, run it in the mac emulator May 25 15:06:24 Is that a serious question, lcuk? May 25 15:06:31 yes May 25 15:06:40 Well, Haypercard made the slashdot frontpage today ;) May 25 15:06:52 Gawd, I remember playing with train simulations in hypercard back in the mid 90s May 25 15:06:58 and brought back quite some fond memories May 25 15:08:11 drwx: see how's it's done in here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ May 25 15:08:18 yer but ive just got back from holiday after making hundreds of small sketches and am trying to code them together and after reading about it on slash im thinking at least some of the work has been done and i wanted to have a look at how it felt in maemo to see if it fits with a touch environment May 25 15:08:37 I remember making games in hypercard May 25 15:08:42 (my liqbase lets me create and save and manipulate notes and sketches) May 25 15:08:44 and flipbook type animations May 25 15:09:44 sketches of what? May 25 15:10:16 paragraphs of notes and ideas and bits for the presentation May 25 15:10:38 and doodles and whatever i would normally scribble onto a notepad May 25 15:10:52 i want to keep them all and tag them and have ideas evolve out of them May 25 15:11:37 * lardman thinks that Nokia should definitely have video out in the next tablet - and a slide show app too May 25 15:11:37 you need magic May 25 15:12:22 does ukmp use mplayer for audio files as well as video? May 25 15:12:22 I want that USB VGA magic to become usable. May 25 15:12:56 I'll anwer my own question, for the records May 25 15:13:00 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-interface/tablet-browser-interface.h?root=browser&rev=622&view=markup May 25 15:13:21 #define OSSO_BROWSER_SAVE_URL_REQ "save_url" May 25 15:13:28 lardman: Like the stuff the beta labs from Nokia presented? May 25 15:13:59 speaking of video out, i think i need to make a couple of short movies for presentation May 25 15:14:10 GAN8001: do you have a link to the hw? May 25 15:14:24 lardman, pupnik, do we know what kind of presentation tech we have available? May 25 15:14:25 a projector is given, dunno what model May 25 15:14:26 lcuk, maemopad+? xournal? May 25 15:15:07 maemopad doesnt feel right, its not quick enough and besides - i want to draw AND/OR type at the same time - theres no reason why i cant do both May 25 15:15:25 will there be a computer of some description, as I wasn't planning on bringing a laptop? May 25 15:15:49 blafasel: I thought that was VNC over the network? May 25 15:16:04 No, I think that was NoBounds. May 25 15:16:07 Why make a single application for both drawing and typing - escapes me May 25 15:16:19 lardman, see my post here for a link to the hardware and pictures. May 25 15:16:28 because i have a touchscreen and keyboard together and both things to with each other May 25 15:16:50 lcuk, maemopad+ is open source. May 25 15:16:56 yes i know May 25 15:17:32 also, a treeview for viewing the notes isnt great, i want to fit as much on screen as possible May 25 15:17:34 Oh, right, the link: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19566&page=2 May 25 15:18:31 GAN8001: which post out of interest? I've just had a look though the backlog and can't see any urls May 25 15:18:57 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19566&page=2 May 25 15:19:10 thanks :) May 25 15:19:25 Sin of omission. :P May 25 15:20:00 looks cool May 25 15:20:10 It's slow as shit at the moment with X. May 25 15:20:26 Right, I was talking about the nobounds concept. May 25 15:20:38 FBReader took about 10 seconds to render completely May 25 15:21:45 Faster with plain image display (the horses) May 25 15:21:45 So it would make for a decent presentation system. May 25 15:21:45 o.0 May 25 15:21:45 * lardman looks to see how much the hw costs May 25 15:21:45 GAN8001: urgh May 25 15:24:52 I paid $80 May 25 15:24:52 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200034&Tpk=startech%2busb2vga May 25 15:24:52 Is the slightly cheaper model. May 25 15:24:53 I've got to pop to the shops before they close, will have a look when I get back ~30min May 25 15:25:20 Maybe somebody will have one already that they can bring. May 25 15:25:55 do you know if there is way to get a /dev/audi on maemo? May 25 15:27:05 /dev/audio May 25 15:27:36 I was hoping there might be an Audi in maemo. :( May 25 15:28:00 :-D May 25 15:28:38 I want my spinnin wheels :p May 25 15:29:39 Audi sux May 25 15:30:03 Lame Quattro May 25 15:30:20 igee thats not a troll May 25 15:33:07 The Audio Quattro was a cool car :P May 25 15:33:32 I see a /dev/dsptask/audiopp, it might be what I need? May 25 15:33:52 drwx, what do you want? an OSS audio device? an alsa device? May 25 15:34:03 johnx, I was referring to the AWD system, not the actual car. :P May 25 15:34:58 GAN800, AWD in general or Audi's implementation? May 25 15:35:02 johnx: I made a program to record a sound like this way : fd_audio = open ("/dev/audio", O_RDONLY)) May 25 15:35:15 and I want to use it on N800 May 25 15:35:35 drwx, hmm...sorry I have no idea O_o May 25 15:36:06 I like my Audi quite a lot ;-) May 25 15:36:16 drw: you are fucked. May 25 15:36:25 Front or Back? May 25 15:36:28 In general, real men drive RWD. May 25 15:36:32 both ways. May 25 15:36:36 RWD? May 25 15:37:03 GAN: Real men drive whatever doesn't skid too much. May 25 15:37:20 Which, unless you are driving on ice, is AWD... May 25 15:37:23 Rear-wheel drive, blafasel. May 25 15:37:24 GAN800, I like RWD too, but AWD is nice in the snow. Sometimes 2 wheels just isn't enough May 25 15:37:50 RST38h: why? May 25 15:37:50 No arguments here, but I don't drive in snow—ever. ;) May 25 15:38:01 GAN800, Real men drive in the snow :P May 25 15:38:07 drwx: no accessible audio device on Maemo May 25 15:38:13 drwx: have to use ESD May 25 15:38:31 Ah.. Google led me to polish aircrafts called RWD. Misleading ;-p May 25 15:38:48 GAN: See? No real man =) May 25 15:38:50 AWD is understeer city, anyway. May 25 15:39:05 RST38h: that's a shame! May 25 15:39:06 GAN800, yeah. May 25 15:39:07 johnx do you know if does a2dp work with ukmp May 25 15:39:12 * johnx wants a skyline :/ May 25 15:39:16 Hehe May 25 15:39:23 * GAN8001 wants an E30 M3. May 25 15:39:48 freelikegnu, if ukmp can use mplayer for playback, then yes May 25 15:39:51 drwx: firebomb Nokia hq May 25 15:40:09 it seems to use mplayer for video May 25 15:40:31 not sure what it uses for playing mp3 and other audio files May 25 15:40:39 freelikegnu, IIRC you can change it in settings? May 25 15:40:41 RST38h: violence is not the solution... :-D May 25 15:41:01 heh I could not find the ukmp settings file May 25 15:41:15 doesnt seem to be in gconf either May 25 15:41:25 You'll change your tune after the great trout-walloping expedition of summer 2008 brings us an all-open OMAP3 tablet. May 25 15:41:42 . . . and user-selectable 12/24h time May 25 15:41:54 Has anyone got awt working under jalimo or any other java implementation on the nokia? May 25 15:42:03 * qwerty12 is fine with 12h May 25 15:42:24 im not, i keep thinking ive coded till dawn May 25 15:42:25 I'll take a Ferrari California GT, or my dream car, a Shelby GT... The old ones... Though I have to say, I do love the M6 too May 25 15:42:45 btw, any word on Diablo yet ? May 25 15:42:50 New cars are getting a little out of hand. May 25 15:42:57 Overweight and way to automated. May 25 15:43:16 GAN800++ O_o May 25 15:43:18 s/to/too/ May 25 15:43:18 GAN8001 meant: Overweight and way too automated. May 25 15:43:32 GAN800, half the time I think I'll end up getting VW Beetle May 25 15:43:37 Well, electronics is good... I mean, I wouldn't want to have to drive a Ford GT without any driving aids in a pedestrian zone... May 25 15:43:46 Although most of the weight can be attributed to safety features. :P May 25 15:43:47 like bullbars? May 25 15:43:56 There's only one condition needed: you have to be able to turn it off May 25 15:44:03 GAN800, and stupid stuff like electricly adjusted seats :P May 25 15:44:09 don't wanna scratch the painwork with an errant pedestrian May 25 15:44:30 crashanddie, this is true, but I'm thinking more along the lines of stupid transmission technologies. May 25 15:44:58 If you guys want a car that bumps it up a bit, not too flashy, and not too expensive, without all the bullshit useless electronics features, get a Vauxhall Monaro May 25 15:45:29 The horrifying "GTO" abortion state-side. <_< May 25 15:45:51 Pontiac would probably have been OK if they didn't try and cash in on the GTO name with it. . . . May 25 15:45:52 it's about £35k, so that's affordable May 25 15:46:09 But there aint nothin' GTO about a Monaro. May 25 15:46:11 old cars have old tech.. i love classic cars but wouldn't want to daily drive with them May 25 15:46:18 crashanddie, sorry, $3500 is affordable to me :P May 25 15:46:28 Most definitely, glass. May 25 15:46:35 I'll keep my Camry as the daily-driver. ;) May 25 15:46:43 johnx, lol... May 25 15:46:52 johnx, that's the price of my bike :P May 25 15:46:54 suspension, engine power etc are often pretty crap in classics May 25 15:47:08 glass, true enough about suspension May 25 15:47:09 johnx, well, no... my bike is 3.5keuro May 25 15:47:27 my 96 subie impreza wagon was ~$4000 May 25 15:48:44 (in 2006) May 25 15:49:39 itT has just been a complete and total write-off this weekend. May 25 15:49:55 GAN800, I picked a good couple days to be AFK then :D May 25 15:49:56 is there a nice software for geocaching? May 25 15:50:57 Some asshole is always guaranteed to come in with their ill-informed opinions in threads like the itTSS one and derail it just as it starts becoming useful and productive. May 25 15:51:14 GAN800, ITTSS? May 25 15:51:25 I missed the "acronym of the week" memo... May 25 15:51:28 Oh, you missed that one? May 25 15:51:32 * GAN8001 is envious. May 25 15:51:37 eichi, geopoi maybe? May 25 15:51:57 GAN800 & johnx: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qn7Z-iLa8h0 May 25 15:51:57 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20261 May 25 15:52:00 geopoi was what was mentioned on the wiki May 25 15:52:06 Steel yourself, johnx. May 25 15:52:19 GAN800, I'm beyond jaded...you have no idea May 25 15:52:21 * qwerty12 really doesn't give 2 shits about the administration side of maemo, filing bugs, new download locations etc. I just go on there for the apps, games etc. May 25 15:52:30 GAN800, ah, forum drama? May 25 15:53:05 Really, everything should be in Extras/Extras-devel May 25 15:53:13 I don't ever want to have to open a web browser for software. May 25 15:53:46 johnx, I <3 forum drama. I'm almost guaranteed to pick up 30 or 40 thanks when I jump in. :D May 25 15:53:53 Thanks! == discount code. . . . May 25 15:54:12 crashanddie, hot stuff. May 25 15:54:30 could we get an automated extras repo -> rss feed? May 25 15:54:36 cause that would be awesome May 25 15:54:43 when is planed the next n8x0 os ? May 25 15:54:49 GAN8001: how does thanks == discount code? May 25 15:54:53 Diablo is coming out in a month or two, gourdin. May 25 15:54:54 gah now my n800 is rebooting half way through startup :( May 25 15:55:13 GAN8001: great :) May 25 15:55:16 summatusmentis, karma factors into discount code distribution. May 25 15:55:17 What did you change :p May 25 15:55:21 also, is there a way to find changes between diablo and current? May 25 15:55:37 qwerty I intalled some apps since last startup May 25 15:55:43 GAN8001: discount code distribution is built into ITT? May 25 15:55:49 johnx, basically, we talked Reggie out of duplicating all the effort and fragmenting things and syndication Downloads/Garage May 25 15:55:51 freelikegnu, you didn't apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, did you ? May 25 15:55:53 No, summatusmentis. May 25 15:55:58 freelikegnu, You don't have bootmenu installed by any chance? May 25 15:55:58 nope May 25 15:56:00 But it'll help. May 25 15:56:09 summatusmentis, maybe a simple shell script involving diff and a nice person running diablo? May 25 15:56:13 GAN800, is there a thanks/post ratio involved ? May 25 15:56:19 qwerty12: no boot menu installed :P May 25 15:56:33 GAN800, cuz I've posted like what... 2 times, and have 8 thanks... So that's a ratio a 4... :D May 25 15:56:41 Ha May 25 15:56:44 johnx: I'm just wondering if feature improvements will be made, that's all May 25 15:56:46 s/a/of May 25 15:56:48 Hi ppl! :) May 25 15:56:49 Thanks are a recent addition May 25 15:56:49 crashanddie: I didnt use apt-get recently May 25 15:56:57 guys, Iam trying to install meamo-pc-connectivity May 25 15:57:03 Do you know if Firefox3 port to MicroB is already available? May 25 15:57:05 So there's a lot of 2005-2007 members who have a lots of posts pre-thanks. May 25 15:57:09 but it fails since it seems to need *fuse libs? May 25 15:57:13 does diablo have an official website ? May 25 15:57:13 where can I get them= May 25 15:57:25 summatusmentis, not many May 25 15:57:26 What, dererk? May 25 15:57:32 simboss, add the maemo sdk+ repo May 25 15:57:36 johnx: fair enough May 25 15:57:38 MicroB is based on Gecko a1 May 25 15:57:42 guess I'll have to reflash :P May 25 15:57:50 I had to do some more hacking to get the maemo-pc-connectivity to install under diablo :/ May 25 15:57:54 johnx, we're gonna get the "Easy Update" feature, right ? May 25 15:57:59 gourdin, maemo.org :P May 25 15:58:01 SSU May 25 15:58:07 I need to just get my mahine already, so that I can stop asking innane questions, and instead just try stuff out May 25 15:58:08 crashanddie, yup...after one more flash :) May 25 15:58:10 johnx, because for me, that's all that counts, tbh May 25 15:58:10 GAN800, Uhm, I was almost sure MicroB was based on Mozilla browser May 25 15:58:14 gourdin, see the Internet Tablet OS wikipedia article for more details. May 25 15:58:23 johnx, plus, after that, updates might be easier to schedule for the team, I guess May 25 15:58:30 dererk, it's based on Gecko, which is the Mozilla rendering engine. May 25 15:58:32 GAN8001: ok, thx :) May 25 15:58:39 qwerty12: this one http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/? May 25 15:58:44 * GAN8001 considers fleshing that out more. May 25 15:59:06 GAN800, then my question was not all that wrong :P May 25 15:59:12 Anybody have a link to konttori's recent interview handy? May 25 15:59:30 dererk, I just didn't understand the question May 25 15:59:36 simboss, check out http://blog.chatonka.com/2008/05/using-cpu-transparency-with-scratchbox/ , thanks to wolf08 May 25 15:59:40 I wasn't correcting you, just trying to clarify things. :P May 25 16:01:13 GAN800, :) May 25 16:01:37 qwerty12: I am following that tutorial, but the app manager keeps complaining about missing mount-full!! May 25 16:01:48 I was told it was already available somewhere for N810 May 25 16:02:08 simboss, Look into editing the dpkg "status" file. Too tired to explain more. May 25 16:02:37 It's bundled with OS2008. May 25 16:02:43 qwerty12: thx :-) May 25 16:03:05 You may also be thinking of the Minefield port or the Fennec mobile mozilla, neither of which are particularly usable at the moment. May 25 16:03:17 GAN800, not the Firefox3 port May 25 16:03:32 GAN800, (it's already ff rc1) May 25 16:03:59 GAN800, did you try it? May 25 16:04:25 I have previously May 25 16:04:32 Not suited for a touchscreen interface May 25 16:04:32 bloaty May 25 16:04:38 and Fennec is crash-happy. May 25 16:04:45 :( May 25 16:05:00 We're probably 1-2 years away from a really polish Fennec. May 25 16:05:05 *polished. May 25 16:05:06 I found terrifying horrible slowly my microb May 25 16:05:17 Anybody remember the official designation for Diablo? OS2008 Maintence Upgrade or somesuch May 25 16:05:29 s/found/find/ May 25 16:05:30 dererk meant: I find terrifying horrible slowly my microb May 25 16:05:38 dererk, did you have Fit View to Width on? May 25 16:05:44 MicroB works just fine here. May 25 16:06:22 bbl May 25 16:09:20 Yeah, I'd love a microb that works a bit faster May 25 16:09:32 crashanddie, try the svn? May 25 16:09:44 It a pretty decent improvement. May 25 16:09:47 cuz having it run in circles for 20 seconds saying "connecting" is pretty slow, and kinda kills surfing for me May 25 16:10:17 Anybody, konttori's interview or the official name for Diablo? May 25 16:10:28 GAN800, linky link ? May 25 16:10:48 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677 May 25 16:11:37 yeah found something May 25 16:11:44 I'll try it later on, really nice improvement ? May 25 16:11:58 cuz I have FiOS, and it feels like I'm still in Dialup May 25 16:12:04 Navi: Still needing a mirror for those files? May 25 16:12:19 Largely, yes May 25 16:12:26 Little buggier in some ways May 25 16:12:26 (Post is 20 days old, so I guess the answer is "no") May 25 16:12:31 But scrolling is smooth as silk. May 25 16:12:52 GAN800, that would be perfect, tbh May 25 16:12:57 GAN800, thanks, I'll check it out May 25 16:13:18 GAN8001, Do you know if Navi compiled the latest latest SVN? I really need it on my Diablo :/ May 25 16:13:37 btw, the Connecting bouncing is usually due to your router not playing nice with wifi powersaving. May 25 16:13:53 qwerty12, I don't know if it's been updated since he compiled it. May 25 16:14:02 Ah, ok. May 25 16:14:06 re May 25 16:14:22 I can't use that build because I have a feeling it won't play nice with browserd May 25 16:14:43 I learnt my lesson when I tried osso-xterm built for chinook in diablo. May 25 16:15:03 lardman, did you reach the shops - i almost had to do a milk run ;) May 25 16:15:30 GAN8001: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=workshop,articles,414 May 25 16:15:34 There's the link May 25 16:15:40 lcuk: yep, Waitrose is open 'till 5 thankfully May 25 16:15:40 GAN800, I don't think my router has powersaving May 25 16:16:17 good, next wekk, this sit down dinner, is it black tie and do we need to book tickets in advance? May 25 16:16:18 erhm May 25 16:16:25 I get a whole lot of "undefined" on that website May 25 16:16:42 lcuk: lol to black tie, I hope not May 25 16:16:56 same here, we could wear penguin suits i suppose May 25 16:16:57 lcuk: Are there any specifics about it yet? May 25 16:17:03 The N8x0 does, crashanddie. May 25 16:17:12 lol @ that comment ^ May 25 16:17:20 The N8x0 does crashanddie. May 25 16:17:32 Beautiful, thanks, crashanddie. May 25 16:17:37 Haaaar May 25 16:18:36 lcuk, lol May 25 16:18:47 lol... May 25 16:19:02 not worse than " I'm going to be Moonlit's Wii" May 25 16:19:13 lmao May 25 16:19:24 Wii is a stupid name though. May 25 16:19:31 Wii is awesome. May 25 16:19:33 it's an excellent name May 25 16:19:51 i like the small detail that the motes have poo in their product code May 25 16:19:59 I think it sounds shit. Get me PS3/X360 so I can play GTAIV May 25 16:20:11 I have the Wii, and a PS3... We will spend some time on GTA IV or GT5:P, but when I have a few friends around, it's Wii all the time... May 25 16:20:18 Wii60 is the way to go. May 25 16:20:19 Nothing like Mario Kart to goof around May 25 16:20:49 Wii for Nintendo's awesome innovative stuff and the social games May 25 16:20:55 360 for the hardcore stuff May 25 16:20:58 crashanddie, but theres a lot more people around who just want to have fun with whole family and nintendo have tapped that market May 25 16:21:03 "Wii was really meant for we, but that's doesn't my Mii isn't me" May 25 16:21:04 GAN8001, +1 :) May 25 16:21:12 Although I don't mind PS3 too. May 25 16:21:15 lcuk, that's exactly what I said, didn't I ? May 25 16:21:21 PS3 pretty much has zero appeal to me. May 25 16:21:33 sorry, misread end May 25 16:22:07 Funnily enough, I was gong through my 360 games the other day and all but 1 is rated M. May 25 16:22:11 I mean, the Wii is basically just bringing games to a social level again... May 25 16:22:17 ps3 as a technology concept is very interesting, but it seems like too much right now May 25 16:22:17 and that's Forza 2. May 25 16:22:25 And I'm not talking about social as in "Lan party social CS or War3" May 25 16:22:43 Sony lost all of their exclusives to the 360. May 25 16:22:53 and a Playstation without its exclusives is just a joke. May 25 16:22:54 most people still dont have full HD entertainment systems and a wii on a smallish portable in bedroom rocks May 25 16:23:23 crashanddie: Might be me, but I don't like seeing 2 to 4 people a) ruining the living room trying to play a tennis-like game or b) boxing like a new kind of star wars kid, Version 2.0 ;) May 25 16:23:23 * GAN8001 plays his 360 on an old 17" Trinitron. May 25 16:23:33 though if i did have a big entertainment system i wouldnt like the idea of the kids throwing deadly motes around May 25 16:23:41 I guess HD is out of the question then? May 25 16:23:48 blafasel, you just aren't much fun, are you? :P May 25 16:23:48 well, I have "the full HD experience", and that's why I got the PS3 in the first place... It's a great DVD upscaler, plus it gives me access to HD content, without investing in yet another HTPC May 25 16:23:57 GAN8001: Never. May 25 16:24:15 we have a main tv thats only 26 inches May 25 16:24:16 Speaking of HD, Microsoft really got it right with h.264 streaming to the 360. May 25 16:24:21 no point in hd May 25 16:24:48 I got myself a nice 40" FullHD screen, the PS3 was a no-brainer after that May 25 16:25:06 My family got a 30" sharp in 2003. May 25 16:25:18 1024x768 16:9 May 25 16:25:27 Been replaced 3 times so far May 25 16:25:34 though, I understand why bluray has such a hard time taking off May 25 16:25:35 * GAN8001 is very thankful we got the warranty May 25 16:25:49 Keeping up with about every second generational upgrade with a new warranty-paid TV May 25 16:26:00 between VHS and DVD, there was a huuuuge difference... Between DVD and Bluray, the difference is not that big... May 25 16:26:09 hello May 25 16:26:14 hi May 25 16:26:18 hey May 25 16:26:24 hehehe! May 25 16:26:27 crashanddie, I'm betting IPTV/OnDemand/Netflix/AppleTV type stuff will take off more than Bluray May 25 16:26:29 It seems new kernel... works! May 25 16:26:35 wifi loaded too May 25 16:26:42 w00t May 25 16:26:49 yup May 25 16:26:52 AStorm, any speed improvements with new scheduler? May 25 16:27:01 GAN8001: wait, the system has to load May 25 16:27:09 GAN800, I have HD over IP, through my ISP... So yeah, I really understand what you're saying May 25 16:27:09 it's now showing the "hands" logo May 25 16:27:14 now a white screen, wait May 25 16:27:15 Then KABOOM May 25 16:27:30 it seems that auto updates slow down boot process considerably May 25 16:27:31 crashanddie, we bought an AppleTV for my mother last Christmas May 25 16:27:41 I'd have to disable this bling bling May 25 16:27:50 My dad and I rented The Darjeeling Limited in HD about a month ago May 25 16:27:51 or have manual update support turned on May 25 16:27:52 That's some hot shit. May 25 16:27:59 it's probably spamming dmesg May 25 16:28:18 Easy, looks great, works great, price is right. May 25 16:29:00 GAN800, my ISP gives me a 100Mbit/50Mbit internet connection, 2 TV sets that can access 500 channels, about 100 of those in HD, and direct access to youtube/dailymotion/yahoo video/other major video websites directly on my TV, plus access to my whole media library on the network... May 25 16:29:14 whore. May 25 16:29:16 :P May 25 16:29:18 AppleTV would be neat if it supported displaying on a TFT as well. I don't own a TV ;) May 25 16:29:27 GAN800, in total, I can watch 4 different HD streams at one given time (2 tvs, plus 2 on computers) May 25 16:29:47 blafasel, AppleTV would be neat if it weren't crippled to death. May 25 16:29:55 It doesn't particularly appeal to me May 25 16:29:59 but for my parents. . . . May 25 16:30:04 Dead easy is important. May 25 16:30:25 i got a neuros osd May 25 16:30:27 Plus also a phone with unlimited communications to half the world... Plus SIP access to use that phoneline from the n810 (so I can call the whole world as soon as I have wifi :D) May 25 16:30:29 > appletv May 25 16:30:33 GAN800, wanna know the price ? May 25 16:30:40 No. May 25 16:30:48 :P May 25 16:30:51 30euro/month May 25 16:30:53 Because it's just going to make me sad. May 25 16:31:09 there is just one, big, huge, downside to all this May 25 16:31:27 We're $110 for 15/2 + HD Cable + unlimited phone May 25 16:31:28 2gb monthly limit ? May 25 16:31:29 You have to live in France... May 25 16:31:33 :) May 25 16:32:07 anyway, gotta bring the sis back to her place, bbl, cheers May 25 16:32:08 crashanddie: Do you also get a community network with hundreds of pirated movies mp3 and programs? May 25 16:32:08 crashanddie: That's too big of a downside, unfortunately ;) May 25 16:32:42 RST38h, well, we have access to what they call "FreeHomeVideo", which is in fact a Youtube clone within the ISP users community May 25 16:32:55 RST38h, and needless to say, prime access to newsgroups May 25 16:33:20 does not count May 25 16:33:28 cause we get pirated stuff in DVD or HD quality =) May 25 16:33:44 and I have no shit like some US ISPs, where you have to pay extra for having all yours ports usable or whatever, nor any downloading/uploading restriction May 25 16:35:31 Well, US ISP, cable, cellular service is more or less like in that "Brazil" movie May 25 16:36:02 To anybody considering a HAVA, my recommendation is to buy. May 25 16:36:21 i don't have cable May 25 16:36:44 GAN8001: what did you need the interview fore? May 25 16:36:44 Then you wouldn't be considering :p May 25 16:36:50 NASA TV Live coverage of the Phoenix landing on Mars begins at 6 p.m. EDT on Sunday, May 25 !!! May 25 16:37:11 konttori, I was using it as a reference for the wikipedia section on Diablo and SSU May 25 16:37:27 ah. ok. May 25 16:37:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo May 25 16:38:09 RST38h, hrm, I've got that in HD. May 25 16:38:20 GAN8001: Do you own the Hava stuff? May 25 16:38:28 GAN8001: =) May 25 16:38:29 I bought a Platinum May 25 16:38:31 GAN8001: good summary. May 25 16:39:04 I guess watching it in HD from here would screw up everybody's nightly porn downloads =) May 25 16:39:10 Ha May 25 16:39:17 Don't do that May 25 16:39:21 riots might ensue. May 25 16:39:33 naah, they will just blame it on the weather May 25 16:39:46 summer thunderstorms are starting May 25 16:40:26 I need to get myself a few more power adapters. May 25 16:40:43 GAN8001: I found that interesting, but I don't think that I can use it. May 25 16:40:44 6, apparently, isn't enough. May 25 16:40:51 anyone here use KDE? May 25 16:41:02 Used to May 25 16:41:09 why'd you stop? May 25 16:41:26 I used to on the desktop May 25 16:41:41 oh, no, i meant on the N8x0 series May 25 16:41:44 summatusmentis, Because I wanted to remove it to make sure it wouldn't intefere with diablo upgrade (I used old method) and I prefer to use the space for Debian May 25 16:41:49 blafasel, I don't have cable up at college, so I'm planning on hijacking some from home. ;) May 25 16:42:06 qwerty12: oh, ok. But it was usable? May 25 16:42:17 GAN8001: I don't have cable or sat, so no way to feed it.. May 25 16:42:29 summatusmentis, Kinda. Watchdog would reboot my N800 a lot under high cpu. May 25 16:42:31 Using DVB-T sometimes on a PC via USB.. May 25 16:42:45 qwerty12: watchdog was the firewall thing, right? May 25 16:42:49 No May 25 16:42:52 I set up mediaserv on my server here at home, too May 25 16:42:58 got plenty of upstream to use both remotely. May 25 16:43:12 qwerty12: what is watchdog then? May 25 16:43:48 I wish GAN8001 came to my rescue here :P May 25 16:43:49 "There are both hardware and software watchdogs / lifeguards that reboot the device in certain circumstances, e.g. excessive CPU usage; important process crashes; system lock up. (Feel free to expand/correct this vague and possibly inaccurate description. :-) )" May 25 16:43:53 Copied from wiki May 25 16:44:17 GAN8001: have you worked out the frame update rate for your usb->vga adaptor? May 25 16:44:19 summatusmentis, largely, a bad idea. ;) May 25 16:44:20 oh, so it's something built into the device, that makes sense May 25 16:44:28 GAN8001: which is, KDE? May 25 16:44:34 lardman, no, I'm leaving that up to Graham. May 25 16:44:35 watchdoh May 25 16:44:39 *dog May 25 16:44:40 ^ May 25 16:44:59 I think it would work OK if you just had a bunch of jpegs, lardman. May 25 16:45:09 It's slow with X, though. May 25 16:45:10 sorry, I'm confused. Watchdog is a bad idea, yes? May 25 16:45:15 Right. May 25 16:45:28 It usually just causes more trouble than it prevents. May 25 16:45:57 I see. May 25 16:46:14 The n810 usb connection is 12MBps isn't it? May 25 16:46:48 i.e. usb1 full speed May 25 16:47:01 s/MBps/Mbps May 25 16:47:07 drat May 25 16:47:16 the patch fixing keyboard changed keycodes May 25 16:47:16 USB device connection is USB 2.0 May 25 16:47:27 is it, oh ok May 25 16:47:40 I get 5Mb/s easily May 25 16:47:53 so fanoush' menu doesn't work May 25 16:47:55 ;) May 25 16:48:00 I'll temporarily revert it May 25 16:48:00 that's still within the boundaries of usb1 May 25 16:48:06 nope May 25 16:48:10 yep May 25 16:48:11 USB 1.0 is 12 mega_b_it May 25 16:48:16 AStorm, Edit the linuxrc and bootmenu.sh with new keycodes? May 25 16:48:21 I get 5 mega_byte_ May 25 16:48:23 s May 25 16:48:24 =) May 25 16:48:30 ah, B then rather than b ;) May 25 16:48:42 ^ May 25 16:48:58 [12:47pm] I get 5M_b_/s easily May 25 16:49:11 lardman, how fast does your device flash? :P May 25 16:49:15 well I don't know how it's out there, but here we write Mb for megabyte :-P May 25 16:49:26 if it can push 5 megabytes per sec, then: (5)*1024*1024/(1024*768*2) = 3.33333 May 25 16:49:39 zap: fair enough May 25 16:49:54 GAN8001: I never pay any attention to it ;) May 25 16:50:03 zap, where is here? O_O May 25 16:50:07 I think it can do more than that, it's just that the SDHC card can't take more :) May 25 16:50:11 That is retardedly confusing May 25 16:50:29 qwerty12: except I don't know it yet May 25 16:50:33 Do it the opposite way from everybody else? Good plan. May 25 16:50:38 but don't confuse USB host with USB device May 25 16:50:38 I was just wondering what the theoretical bandwidth limit was for the usb connection May 25 16:50:39 and will have to reflash a kernel with console support May 25 16:50:54 lardman: as far as I understand, you're meaning the USB Host on N810 May 25 16:51:01 and that one could be USB 1.0 May 25 16:51:02 GAN8001: tbh, I can never remember which is which either May 25 16:51:15 zap: yes May 25 16:51:16 _B_ytes are bigger. :P May 25 16:51:23 _b_its are smaller. May 25 16:51:29 s/bigger/BIGGER/ May 25 16:51:46 GIGABYTES ARE REALLY HUGE May 25 16:52:08 Seriously, zap, where the hell do they use Mb for megabyte? May 25 16:52:16 yeah, I suppose that is easy enough to remember, I just think in terms of ASCII keycodes ;) May 25 16:52:20 So I can avoid that place in the future. . . . :\ May 25 16:52:22 _b_its are smaller - I really misread that. May 25 16:52:35 GAN: Forums May 25 16:52:46 Can you make yourself avoid that place? =) May 25 16:52:48 RST38h, :P May 25 16:53:35 Some even write Mo for mega-octet May 25 16:53:35 The place where Mb is used for megabyte and considered correct. ;) May 25 16:53:42 you will want to avoid that place too, I think May 25 16:54:13 * Knirch will start using mB instead. May 25 16:54:14 Nintendo used to do it all the time - "8 megabit cartridge", "16 megabit cartridge" May 25 16:54:41 Knirch: milli-bytes? May 25 16:54:53 Somebody at their marketing decided that by using megabits they can make cartridges "look bigger" May 25 16:54:59 and some even don't know a kilobyte has 1000 bytes May 25 16:55:04 they think that it's 1024 bytes :) May 25 16:55:12 zap: THAT is arguable May 25 16:55:16 lardman: mmm May 25 16:55:58 Don't start with miBytes or something May 25 16:56:04 yep May 25 16:56:08 zap: I'm not touching that discussion with a ten foot pole May 25 16:56:09 mibibytes just piss me off. May 25 16:56:16 hmmhmm May 25 16:56:22 doesn't seem to boot properly May 25 16:56:32 I'd need some ssh to see what's going on May 25 16:56:35 and I'll get it ;) May 25 16:56:42 wait, no, it booted some more May 25 16:56:46 again hands screen May 25 16:57:01 probably something isn't supported and spams dmesg May 25 16:57:21 that can really slow down boot May 25 16:57:53 "spamming dmesg" - nice May 25 16:58:13 the last frontier for spammers, so to say May 25 16:58:16 I'll leave it for some minutes, it might boot May 25 16:58:18 ;P May 25 17:00:27 in the meantime, I'll get ssh running while it boots May 25 17:00:56 * qwerty12 debates whether to set this up: http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html . Quite a bit of programs :? May 25 17:01:04 s/:?/:// May 25 17:01:44 │ dragorn May 25 17:01:53 argh, missed ;) May 25 17:02:20 qwerty12: more bt game controller supports would be nice in maemo May 25 17:02:51 what for? May 25 17:02:55 I'd like a remote more May 25 17:03:04 Mapped at 0xfdeb5000 May 25 17:03:06 Found a Keylargo mac-io controller, rev: 3, mapped at 0xfde35000 May 25 17:03:21 G3t v1agr4 4 less! May 25 17:03:29 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes) May 25 17:03:44 heh, that's some dmesg spam ;P May 25 17:03:49 glass, Yeah :). I'll see if I can take a look in :/ May 25 17:04:18 Although I can't see no CONFIG_HIDRAW :/ May 25 17:04:24 qwerty12: just buttons is nice, not that many games where inertia support would do much good May 25 17:04:33 hehe May 25 17:04:45 inertia could be used for scrolling May 25 17:05:14 GAN8001, did you ever use svn microb? May 25 17:05:24 svn's * May 25 17:07:38 For a little while May 25 17:07:51 I ask again, though, dererk, do you have Fit Width to View turned on? May 25 17:07:56 Same here, then diablo was leaked :D May 25 17:07:57 glass: so, wiimote is not enough for you? May 25 17:07:58 That'll seriously screw up the browser. May 25 17:08:14 GAN8001, indeed May 25 17:08:22 glass: you could take a look at that code and add support for ps3 controller if you need to May 25 17:08:25 should be doable May 25 17:08:31 but it works exactly the same as if it wasn't May 25 17:08:55 huh, it booted to a progress bar... ? May 25 17:08:59 GAN8001, as crashanddie said May 25 17:09:01 cuz having it run in circles for 20 seconds saying "connecting" is pretty slow, and kinda kills surfing for me May 25 17:09:14 it's exactly the same for me May 25 17:09:18 with the same old initfs May 25 17:09:23 konttori, I'm trying but it needs stuff done to kernel. Not like wiicontrol or cwiid :/ May 25 17:09:24 thus I don't know what happens ;P May 25 17:09:37 maybe it's rewriting something on jffs2 May 25 17:09:56 You really should set up bootmenu with framebuffer :/ May 25 17:10:34 qwerty12: Isn't there any way to just map the stuff like wiicontrol does? May 25 17:11:14 dererk, like I told crashanddie, that's usually an issue with your router. May 25 17:11:20 * konttori has again been programming today and is all the time expecting word completion for everything he writes. wii what the * why didn't it complete? :) May 25 17:11:28 You could try turning of wifi powersaving on the N800 to see if it improves. May 25 17:11:29 GAN8001, not at all! May 25 17:11:33 (though battery life will suffer) May 25 17:11:44 konttori, Not sure. According to people on the internet, you can use it fine over usb (it's an hid device) in linux but patch to kernel is needed for joystick May 25 17:11:49 It does not happen with other network utility May 25 17:11:52 konttori, wouldn't that be wonderful? :D May 25 17:11:53 it's just browser May 25 17:12:03 dererk, my point still stands. May 25 17:12:39 qwerty12: ah. you want to actually use it as a joystick device. May 25 17:13:05 I don't actually own a PS3 :P but I plan on plugging in my friends controller :/ May 25 17:13:21 Hmm.. you might want to ask for that on the maemo mailing list as well (to have the base level joystick support there so that 3rd parties could add support for BT controller devices. May 25 17:13:47 qwerty12: in the meanwhile, you should be able to map the buttons on the ps3 controller in the same manner as wiicontrol does. May 25 17:14:11 And even one analog should be emulatable nicely as the mouse pointer. May 25 17:15:02 Yeah :) I'll still work on the kernel patches though and plug in my friends controller sometime and see what I can do May 25 17:16:00 sounds cool. May 25 17:16:17 Anyway, I hope you can also convince the nokia kernel people to integrate your patches. May 25 17:16:24 Well, the stock nokia 2.6.21 already has the USB fix applied to it "#define USB_VENDOR_ID_SONY 0x054c May 25 17:16:25 #define USB_DEVICE_ID_SONY_PS3_CONTROLLER 0x0268" May 25 17:16:31 re May 25 17:16:31 would be cool to have by default May 25 17:16:46 ah. cool May 25 17:16:50 I wonder what would happen if someone plugs in PS3 controller over USB with stock kernel? May 25 17:18:59 lardman: the word goes around that you can deliver tickets for linuxtag May 25 17:19:16 GAN8001, confirmed it's not. May 25 17:19:29 it's just a microb problem/feature :) May 25 17:20:08 Usually it is May 25 17:20:11 Sometimes it's not May 25 17:20:14 Meh May 25 17:21:16 * unixSnob wonders if anyone has heard of anyone getting vxworks on the NIT May 25 17:22:28 hmmhmm May 25 17:22:42 this ssh doesn't want to log in ;P May 25 17:22:48 I wonder why May 25 17:23:20 it doesn't respond to the normal "rootme" pass May 25 17:23:26 and not to my normal system one May 25 17:23:29 weirdness May 25 17:25:08 it has ssh and rpcbind May 25 17:25:15 the machine is alive, but I see a white screen May 25 17:25:38 hmmhmm May 25 17:25:51 I'll better get a shell inside May 25 17:27:01 hello plp May 25 17:28:27 can someone help me on something May 25 17:28:27 ? May 25 17:28:37 ok, I'm in somehow May 25 17:28:52 :) May 25 17:29:18 i am using fm-radio app May 25 17:29:34 and i whant to reinstall my os2008 May 25 17:30:03 but i cant find the way to somehow "export" the list of fm radio stations May 25 17:30:44 that i inserted, so i dont need to type them in again May 25 17:31:08 any ideas ? May 25 17:31:46 anyone ? :) May 25 17:32:28 is there anyone using a moto q for tethering their internet tablet? May 25 17:32:47 cya May 25 17:34:11 thy are all dead :) May 25 17:37:04 I'm so glad that this mobile shop here traded that god-damn Nokia phone for a different brand. Slimmer with more features = good. May 25 17:38:30 ok, I get it May 25 17:38:37 something with framebuffer doesn't work May 25 17:39:13 it for sure may be :) May 25 17:39:15 as the system is started May 25 17:39:32 the trick is how to debug that May 25 17:40:11 ah, cx3110x got a NULL pointer deref too ;P May 25 17:40:23 or g_ether May 25 17:40:27 let me check May 25 17:41:53 Very carefully, AStorm. :P May 25 17:42:52 hmm, looks like it's g_ether and not cx3110x May 25 17:43:09 no, 100% cs3110x ;P May 25 17:43:14 it disappeared May 25 17:43:18 damn May 25 17:45:20 maybe it hanged due to that May 25 17:45:25 I'll drop the driver for now May 25 17:48:09 * lardman ponders whether to spend too much money on a usb->vga adaptor May 25 17:48:33 lardman, if you're going to use it for LinuxTag, find somebody else to bring one you can use May 25 17:48:44 lardman: I tried to find one today but did not succeed May 25 17:48:54 I wouldn't bother picking one up for yourself (well, at UK prices anyway :P) right now. May 25 17:49:03 the long boot delay is due to device waiting for dbus to settle May 25 17:49:04 yeah, they are expensive May 25 17:49:23 Or maybe find somebody flying over from the states to grab you one. May 25 17:49:23 not specifically for LinuxTag - not enough time to debug it for that, but just for general hacking interest May 25 17:49:45 GAN8001: I'll be over there in July so I may do so myself May 25 17:50:00 Has anybody ever get g_ether play together with Windows on N810? Or it's vapourware? May 25 17:50:09 They're not really dear, £65, but still makes you think twice May 25 17:50:31 hmm May 25 17:50:32 astorm, still fighting with 2.6.25? May 25 17:50:38 inz: sure May 25 17:50:45 please cap the nick correctly :> May 25 17:50:51 it doesn't hl me otherwise May 25 17:50:54 zap: from my Zaurus days, have you used Linux.inf to "install" the rndis driver than Windows lacks? May 25 17:51:21 AStorm, sorry, being lazy when using a tablet to irc May 25 17:51:37 :> May 25 17:51:51 well, it seems the device booted fine, but I get a white screen only May 25 17:51:54 lardman: it's a bit complicated here since I don't use windows, it's one of my friends who can't get it to work :) May 25 17:52:00 something is different May 25 17:52:16 I suspect there's some dri module May 25 17:52:20 or something like it May 25 17:52:32 AStorm, you need serial console May 25 17:53:05 no, I don't May 25 17:53:08 I have ssh, doh May 25 17:53:13 it has booted correctly May 25 17:53:22 BUT there is just a white screen May 25 17:53:31 zap: hmm, not ideal. Point them to either the Linux kernel source tree Docs dir, or tell them to try this: http://www.davehylands.com/linux/gumstix/usbnet/linux.inf May 25 17:53:40 Xomap and all is running May 25 17:53:56 lardman: thank you, I'll do it May 25 17:53:58 I guess I should ping the linux-omap ml about it May 25 17:54:35 alternatively, I need someone to build me Xfb May 25 17:54:45 anyone got popen2 working in python under os2008? May 25 17:54:46 :> May 25 17:54:49 zap: then it should just be a case of ifconfig on the N8x0 and Windows should recognise it (static IPs unless Windows has a working DHCP server); routing is a whole other matter.... May 25 17:56:40 zap: http://maemotalk.feelslikeburning.com/2006/02/21/usbnet-with-nokia770-winxp/ might be of interest May 25 17:56:53 yes, he followed that howto May 25 17:57:00 windoz does not see the connection May 25 17:57:19 So he installed linux.inf? May 25 17:57:54 hi lardman, have you been successful at mapping more than one page of memory for DSP on N8x0? May 25 17:57:57 no idea, trying to get an answer from him :) May 25 17:58:03 :) May 25 17:58:05 I was just interested if that works at all May 25 17:58:15 the official page looks like the best bet for instructions: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ May 25 17:58:18 ssvb: hi May 25 17:58:29 ssvb: I've been away, not tried anything May 25 17:58:38 ok, where do I get the Debian X server? May 25 17:58:48 the one which works on N8x0 May 25 17:59:12 afaicr they don't use Xomap May 25 17:59:13 ssvb: but when I was trying to map <1MB or memory, 4 or 5 TLBs were used in 0x10000 chunks before the dmesg messages told me it had run out; so it ought to work May 25 17:59:23 s/or/of May 25 17:59:43 assuming you use multiples of 0x100,000 May 25 18:02:01 ssvb: I can take a look tomorrow if you'd like me to (holiday :) ) May 25 18:02:30 lardman: right now I'm having weird "omapdsp: tadd address is ABORTADR." errors when I'm trying to add arrays that span across page boundary on N8x0 May 25 18:02:45 haha, lardman gets the day off, i get the week :p May 25 18:03:09 but lardman will be more productive in his one day than you in your whole week :P May 25 18:03:26 plus, hes going to germany in a couple of days so gets the week off anyway May 25 18:03:31 lardman: the same stuff works on 770, so I guess it migh be something with dspgateway version mismatch or anything else May 25 18:03:46 lcuk, hehe, fair play May 25 18:03:46 can this dsp compiler work on device? May 25 18:05:33 Man, lcuk, you told him. :P May 25 18:06:00 ssvb: to diagnose such problems you can run "dsp_dld -p" in another terminal and see what it says May 25 18:06:29 ssvb: that's a generic error that seems to turn up for everything, inlcuding undefined symbols May 25 18:06:43 lcuk: no, x86 only May 25 18:07:04 lardman: ok, thanks May 25 18:07:14 qwerty12_N800: I've taken the week off too, but have to go into work on Tuesday morning May 25 18:07:18 could an aebi be made for gcc? or whatever is needed? May 25 18:07:35 lcuk: dso compiler using GCC? May 25 18:07:48 s/dso/dsp May 25 18:07:52 yer - its just another cpu architecture May 25 18:08:03 it's been started, but not finished iirc May 25 18:08:20 lol May 25 18:08:47 I think the project died actually May 25 18:09:03 lardman: basically there are two challenges now: mmap 2MB of memory (770 reboots if I try this stuff) and check whether it is possible to make the pointers not to wrap at page boundaries May 25 18:09:21 * lardman can't remember the name, but Googling for some combo of "tms320, c55, gcc, compiler" should do the trick May 25 18:10:14 ssvb: I'll try the 2MB mapping thing, perhaps later on as the gf wants to watch a Murder Mystery of no interest to me :) May 25 18:10:29 ssvb: what do you mean by pointer wrapping? May 25 18:10:48 ssvb: are you using *(pointer + offset) = sort of code? May 25 18:11:48 lardman: right now if you do *dst++ = *src++, the pointers eventually wrap at 0x10000 boundary as ++ operation only updates lower 16 bits May 25 18:12:21 lardman: the stuff with *(pointer + offset) works, but it is a lot slower May 25 18:12:47 and again May 25 18:12:58 as i see ppl are now alive May 25 18:13:04 can someone help May 25 18:13:05 ? May 25 18:13:10 ssvb: can you cast to (UnsLg) inside the ++ operation? May 25 18:13:30 lardman: it is possible to live with that and still make fast code, but it will still need lots of additional checks May 25 18:13:42 ssvb: ok May 25 18:13:44 doh, I managed to lock up n810 so hard that I had to take the battery off May 25 18:13:44 lardman: anything that involves this stuff is slow :) May 25 18:14:52 anyone ? May 25 18:15:13 zap, get used to doing that May 25 18:15:26 lardman: I mean casts to UnsLg, btw, I prefer more standard uint32_t types which are also supported by TI toolchain May 25 18:15:36 HuLsH, ask the question and if ppl are knowedgable about the answer they might be able to respond May 25 18:15:54 you are right May 25 18:16:11 i am using fm-radio app May 25 18:16:11 and i whant to reinstall my os2008 May 25 18:16:11 but i cant find the way to somehow "export" the list of fm radio stations May 25 18:16:11 * juergbi (n=juerg@80-219-17-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) Quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) May 25 18:16:11 * juergbi (n=juerg@80-219-17-53.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #maemo May 25 18:16:12 that i inserted, so i dont need to type them in again May 25 18:16:55 HuLsH: no idea May 25 18:16:59 HuLsH, look into gconf May 25 18:17:09 let me find the gconf key May 25 18:17:18 * lcuk has never used the radio since i have an 810 May 25 18:17:56 lardman: according to spru599, revision 3.0 of c55x should have this pointer wrapping problem fixed May 25 18:18:28 ssvb: I never got round to writing the test code to determine which revision we have May 25 18:18:51 ssvb: The complier ought to be able to work around it though May 25 18:19:16 HuLsH, Copy the files inside /var/lib/gconf/apps/maemo/fmradio to another place. May 25 18:19:20 lardman: yes, by generating slow code :) May 25 18:19:36 Built in backup tool should back it up too. May 25 18:19:43 lardman: which is not exactly what we want May 25 18:19:43 ssvb: :) true, perhaps time to dive into the asm...? May 25 18:19:47 it should ? May 25 18:19:49 ssvb: you're the master, so... where do I get non-Xomap X? May 25 18:20:00 (preferably, with Xv working, but that's not required) May 25 18:20:31 AStorm: why non-Xomap? May 25 18:20:56 as that doesn't work on 2.6.23-rc3-omap? May 25 18:21:05 I only get a white screen May 25 18:21:15 (and yes, it is running, FB is working) May 25 18:21:48 qwerty12_N800: THANKS ! May 25 18:21:53 ssvb: did you try the fb output code on the 770? I was getting errors for some reason (though can't remember what they were) May 25 18:22:15 qwerty12_N800: i will try to see will the backup do it May 25 18:22:28 *2.6.26-rc3-omap May 25 18:22:30 duh May 25 18:23:09 lardman: not yet, first I'm trying to map memory buffer and work with it May 25 18:23:42 so, do you guys know why it might not work? May 25 18:23:43 lardman: I get enough problems even with that :) May 25 18:23:59 missing device node or something? May 25 18:24:03 ssvb: that's the fun of DSP programming :/ May 25 18:25:58 maybe it's missing some update functionality or other API which is used by Xomap May 25 18:26:07 I'll ping the linux-omap list May 25 18:27:23 fMSX 3.5.3 released May 25 18:27:45 (same fixes as the latest iNES basically) May 25 18:29:14 Yea, that is the right way to off oneself: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/22/toxic.suicide/index.html?eref=edition May 25 18:31:17 re May 25 18:34:34 heh, sorry I don't have an english version May 25 18:34:41 http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wiadomosc.html?kat=1356&wid=9985684 - broken planes anyone? ;P May 25 18:35:53 andre, is this the fill in the blank game? May 25 18:35:58 anrelicious? :P May 25 18:36:03 andretastic? May 25 18:36:13 :) May 25 18:36:21 no, just tried to get a registered irc nick May 25 18:36:33 Hehe May 25 18:36:50 AStorm, I guess English = http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7419280.stm May 25 18:38:05 AStorm: Splendid May 25 18:38:47 AStorm: ratunkowa = emergency (adv) ? May 25 18:39:19 RST38h: more or less May 25 18:39:37 * RST38h 's ukrainian is kinda weak May 25 18:39:48 it's Polish May 25 18:39:50 ;P May 25 18:39:55 qwerty12_N800: yes, that one May 25 18:40:22 AStorm: well, the closest word exists in ukrainian May 25 18:40:31 Polish I do not know. May 25 18:40:37 Is there adobe air for maemo? May 25 18:40:55 would love to have twhirl May 25 18:41:02 no =) May 25 18:41:33 RST38h: yes, Slavic languages are somewhat related May 25 18:41:45 boo May 25 18:44:21 so guys, I'll install Debian on my internal mmc May 25 18:44:38 one q remains: will canola work there? :P May 25 18:44:43 it's too nice to lose May 25 18:45:09 and I'm too lazy to write a new UI for quodlibet May 25 18:45:46 I doubt it, depends on how much pymaemo differs from normal python May 25 18:46:02 plus if it uses anything maemo specific May 25 18:51:11 qwerty12_N800, from the SVN I compiled to the newest, there's only been a 999_block_list and a newer patch for the image scaling hack May 25 18:52:27 Navi, Thanks. I'm waiting for them to release the diablo version, no idea if the current one works in diablo. May 25 18:53:00 and an update to the gdocs (possible) crashing patch May 25 18:53:33 I couldn't get the svn to run May 25 18:53:52 which is why I'm on chinook nowadays May 25 18:54:47 * GAN8001 wishes browser-ui were open. May 25 18:54:49 I'll try taking a look sometime, chinook + svn beats diablo browser. May 25 18:55:00 Any progress on those Nokia questions on the wiki? May 25 18:55:20 Nokia questions? May 25 18:58:21 The spillover from the #maemo-meeting May 25 18:59:18 hi @ all May 25 19:00:05 how can i load my application (made with glade) on ubuntu and finally on my iT May 25 19:00:07 ?? May 25 19:02:35 Hi today I try to install maemo 4 sdk, I have a lot of broken dependancy packages. I think the maemo sdk is broken. can you comfirm that? May 25 19:03:07 mikie-scripts by emjayes is nice.... May 25 19:03:11 not broken May 25 19:03:28 you are probably installing it on the wrong ubuntu May 25 19:03:37 ? May 25 19:03:44 hardy May 25 19:03:59 you may be installing gutsy packages May 25 19:04:10 lardman: ok, it really helped, I had some problems with .cmd file and now they are fixed May 25 19:04:29 disable vdso and lower min mmap value. installing packages fails if that isn't done. May 25 19:04:33 ssvb: It just dawns on me that the DSP only supports the simultanous data manipulation stuff on 16bit data iirc, so the 24bit pointers will be slower no matter what May 25 19:05:00 RST38h: so how can I install it on hardy? May 25 19:05:10 ssvb: glad to hear it - when I discovered that it made debugging why a task wouldn't work sooo much easier :) May 25 19:05:14 find hardy packages =) May 25 19:05:42 lardman: it always uses 24 bit pointer, May 25 19:05:49 "disable vdso and lower min mmap value. installing packages fails if that isn't done" May 25 19:05:57 drwx, check you package list May 25 19:06:18 drwx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208 May 25 19:06:19 ssvb: I know, just saying that pointer stuff probably can't be optimised by the compiler into a set of parallel operations as the data is too wide May 25 19:06:21 lardman: the problem is that when we have pre- or post- increment, only lower 16 bits of it are updated May 25 19:06:25 (and thank qwerty for this thread) May 25 19:07:00 hehe, i need to update that thread. using sysctl is easier imho :) May 25 19:07:54 lardman: hmm, there is also this pointer wrap-around problem on N8x0, but I guess OMAP2420 is one of the latest chips and probably should use the c55x silicon revision May 25 19:07:57 ssvb: you could presumably work around that knowing the location of the buffers with respect to the page boundary May 25 19:08:35 qwerty: using sdk+ is easier ;)O May 25 19:09:03 RST38h, I will never go over to the dark side :p May 25 19:09:16 lardman: yes, for example if we have a function that does color format conversion for a line of pixels, we can make a check if input or output data crosses page boundary and fallback to a slower implementation May 25 19:09:21 I really find sb2 awkward. May 25 19:09:25 you messed up colors =) May 25 19:09:34 qwerty12_N800 May 25 19:09:39 ssvb: yep May 25 19:09:46 RST38h, Neva! ;p May 25 19:09:46 * RST38h just added sb2 to the makefile root and forgot about it completely May 25 19:09:54 lardman: but I would prefer not having this wrap-around problem in order not to clutter code May 25 19:09:59 do you know how to start a application created with glade?? May 25 19:10:02 ssvb: I'm still concerned about how to trigger the updates May 25 19:10:04 basically, added CC = sb2 gcc May 25 19:10:26 ssvb: without crashing the DSP by (presumably) filling the ioctl message queue May 25 19:10:35 thopiekar, no May 25 19:10:40 lardman: could it be that it has 3.0 silicon revision, but some 'compatibility' mode is enabled? May 25 19:12:47 lardman: you could try sending some confirmation to ARM core from DSP task when everything is done and never try doing update when you have a previous one still in process May 25 19:13:00 not sure, will have to read through the compiler docs and see what can be specified May 25 19:13:45 lardman: just read from dsp file descriptor before trying to ask it to do one more update May 25 19:13:56 ssvb: I'm concerned about the speed of the ioctl, perhaps my code was very slow, but >0.1s to output Y plane !? May 25 19:14:34 may not be the ioctl, the framebuffer update requires a message to be sent back to the ARM May 25 19:16:10 lardman|tv: I did a fast check to measure ARM<->DSP performance, looks like we can do ~1000 calls to DSP and get results from it per second May 25 19:16:34 RST38h: thank you I understand my problem now... ;-) May 25 19:17:01 lardman|tv: it should be enough for just 30fps screen updates, though I still wonder why it is so slow May 25 19:17:03 drwx, what was i saying? May 25 19:19:35 what? May 25 19:20:59 "disable vdso and lower min mmap value" - hell that thread is mine too May 25 19:22:14 I'm re-installing memo-sdk from hardy repository, it' will works? May 25 19:24:16 ok, sorry I did not ready your post. thanks for your solution May 25 19:24:25 :-D May 25 19:25:37 :) - well, the solutions aren't mine :) (copied from inz and pH5) May 25 19:26:19 that's true, so thank's to  inz and pH5 too !! 8-) May 25 19:46:42 * Cymor is back (gone 14:22:55) May 25 19:58:57 quit May 25 20:10:10 FF3 RC1 is driving me nuts. I think about switching to Opera already.. May 25 20:10:49 how about switching to Fx2 ? May 25 20:13:03 Eats far too much of my memory. Tried FF3 because it was supposed to be easier on my resources, but.. May 25 20:13:23 blafasel: but ? May 25 20:13:28 it really is May 25 20:13:28 I know that it's only a RC, hopefully the final release will be better. May 25 20:13:35 at least b4 was great May 25 20:13:44 my fx2 doesn't eat more than 200-300mb May 25 20:13:53 gourdin: It is, for sure. But it runs at 90-100% cpu usage every N minute May 25 20:13:56 N < 10 May 25 20:14:00 KotCzarny, morning :) ive had a happy couple of days of coding directly from windows editor and device gcc :) May 25 20:14:07 :) May 25 20:14:07 blafasel: yep, same bug here May 25 20:14:15 bug from b5 May 25 20:14:24 I hope there is a report somewhere :) May 25 20:14:30 gourdin: So I hope you understand my rather harsh feelings ;) May 25 20:14:31 lcuk: lucky you, i've been mostly sleeping :) May 25 20:14:38 I find lots of coverage online, yes. May 25 20:14:43 blafasel: I do ! May 25 20:14:48 not much time left and still lots to do May 25 20:15:22 (konqueror 4.0.3+ is nice:) May 25 20:17:45 lcuk: Will there be a recording of some sort of your presentations? May 25 20:18:05 i sure hope so.. May 25 20:18:20 but im technically not there to discuss my program, its obviously going to be brought up though May 25 20:18:31 im making some movies tonight actually.. May 25 20:18:40 mm May 25 20:18:45 movies in the night May 25 20:18:46 :) May 25 20:19:07 its a backlit screen, i could be doing it in a cave May 25 20:19:33 isn't n810a transreflective? May 25 20:20:09 lcuk: Tonight? What's your timezone? May 25 20:21:57 kot: yes May 25 20:22:24 i'm not sure how many nokians have had much in the way of chances to vrify that May 25 20:22:36 :) May 25 20:22:36 england May 25 20:22:44 -lacking sun until this month.. May 25 20:22:54 any news about opengl on n800 ? May 25 20:23:12 lcuk: Ah, so comparable. Are you posting the videos somewhere here? I'm very very curious ;) May 25 20:23:21 vin: you don't think it'd make planet.maemo? May 25 20:30:30 rare services may not be available May 25 20:30:37 yes, probably youtube or whatever May 25 20:30:57 (sorry, wrong channel) May 25 20:33:51 vinilios, in how long? nokia have publically offered a "things are in progress" statement May 25 20:34:23 well thats a progress i guess May 25 20:34:58 indeed :) May 25 20:40:34 * pupnik is using dillo and konqueror more now May 25 20:40:54 ffox is turning into the browser of last resort May 25 20:41:41 holy mother of god! 244mb "quick" test movie May 25 20:41:52 :) May 25 20:42:09 forgot to enable compression? May 25 20:42:27 no, its 640*480 30fps standard file my camera offers May 25 20:42:44 what codec? May 25 20:42:46 lcuk: how are you making movies May 25 20:42:47 if any May 25 20:42:49 :) May 25 20:42:50 i dont have the option for compression May 25 20:43:03 probably mjpeg May 25 20:43:18 got a camera that records video in macro mode? May 25 20:43:30 my digital camera wedged into an ironing board (adjustable height ;) ) pointing downwards at the nokia May 25 20:43:37 pupnik: fresnel lenses? ;) May 25 20:43:41 ah May 25 20:43:57 im using a piece of card to allow macro zoon to focus correctly then moving it out of the way to get clear shot of the screen held steady May 25 20:44:18 yeah the lcd messes up my focus also May 25 20:44:28 (it wont focus on the lcd) May 25 20:44:31 poor pupnik. :P May 25 20:44:41 well i bought a camera that doesn't use focus May 25 20:45:02 essentially a pinhole HD video cam May 25 20:45:04 anyway, it pisses batteries for fun and wont run when its plugged in so ive been against trying it May 25 20:45:14 hm May 25 20:45:40 yeah most cams were doing mjpeg May 25 20:45:42 pupnik: peep cam? May 25 20:45:43 :> May 25 20:45:49 now many do mpeg4 May 25 20:45:54 its a great outdoors camera for the family stuff - it takes aa batteries and gives good enough shots May 25 20:46:44 yer, technically i think i should get linux on it, but i cant b arsed :P May 25 20:47:04 there's a doom port for an old kodak digicam May 25 20:47:37 O.o May 25 20:47:37 heh :D May 25 20:47:40 pupnik, link? May 25 20:47:54 don't remember where May 25 20:48:09 any keywords? May 25 20:48:21 eh, it was so long ago May 25 20:48:32 windows is so fucked, it managed to tell me device not recognised when i plug into a specific usb port, but works in another one May 25 20:48:52 http://digita.mame.net/ May 25 20:49:04 http://digita.mame.net/ May 25 20:49:05 oh May 25 20:49:52 maybe your port is dirty May 25 20:50:19 or noisy May 25 20:50:33 it works for other devices May 25 20:50:45 its any port other than the one it was installed in May 25 20:50:47 fun of computers May 25 20:50:53 :) May 25 20:51:02 we expect them to be 0/1 May 25 20:51:13 but in real life it's not so bright and happy May 25 20:53:19 bbl May 25 21:24:08 Oh noes: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=185755#post185755 May 25 21:25:48 It never ends, Jaffa. May 25 21:25:49 maybe i should finally creaty my repo too..? May 25 21:28:21 What exactly was the problem with a final repository again? May 25 21:28:31 incompatible packages May 25 21:28:32 The missing infrastructure? Acceptance? May 25 21:28:46 ie. multiple versions of the same app May 25 21:28:49 or lib May 25 21:28:57 blafasel: "final"? May 25 21:29:17 Jaffa: Uhm. May 25 21:29:41 Jaffa: My brain and my fingers didn't agree on a word there. central would fit what I meant. May 25 21:29:52 Ah, I see. May 25 21:30:38 Well, we've got two: extras & extras-devel. The short reason people set up their own is one of two possible answers: they're lazy, and it's easier to create their own and screw potential users, 2) they don't know about it. May 25 21:31:35 * Jaffa isn't aware of any valid reasons at the moment to not use the central repos (would appreciate knowing if there are, but things like download stats or beta quality have previously been raised which both have been addressed) May 25 21:31:37 or both May 25 21:31:38 :) May 25 21:31:49 Jaffa: effort required to post to someone else's repo May 25 21:31:53 KotCzarny: true :-) May 25 21:32:20 but laziness isn't the only reason May 25 21:32:33 timely: ah, that's true. Although integrating dput/scp into a build system or running it in and of itself isn't /that/ much harder. May 25 21:32:37 to have package accepted you have to fullfil many reqs May 25 21:32:43 One of the reasons I suggested polling stuff. May 25 21:32:48 like proper changelog etc May 25 21:32:49 ;) May 25 21:33:19 otoh it's good May 25 21:33:23 KotCzarny: there's no QA on extras(-devel) ATM, and besides - poor changelog => screwing users again May 25 21:33:45 because if someone puts enough effort to put a package on extras he/she will be knowledgeable enough to make a quality stuff May 25 21:33:45 ;) May 25 21:34:53 and we have a reason to put off unauthorized repos with: 'what? some weird repo? remove it! and don't ask again' May 25 21:34:54 :) May 25 21:36:01 btw May 25 21:36:13 after... almost 6 months of developing on the IT May 25 21:36:33 I must say, i'd love to do this for a living May 25 21:36:47 I mean, as in work in the mobile-embedded-software-world May 25 21:37:31 :) May 25 21:37:38 now try this with s60 sdk May 25 21:37:39 ;) May 25 21:37:42 * Jaffa wanted to join the Pervasive Computing dept at IBM Hursley as a graduate but ended up in a different dept on a different path. Nice to have it as a hobby, but free access to gadgets and doing cool stuff which impacts the real world might still be fun May 25 21:37:50 lardman: hmm, N8x0 can map 2MB of memory between ARM and DSP just fine May 25 21:38:38 No one would know if Nokia's opening a branch in Cardiff ? (or other part of UK != London) May 25 21:40:43 Nokia have a big, big office on the edge of Farnborough May 25 21:42:22 crashanddie: if you don't mind moving to Finland, you may want to check current open positions here: http://www.nokia.com/A4126298 May 25 21:43:03 ssvb, my Finish is pretty sketchy, and I'd rather move to the UK frankly May 25 21:43:10 KotCzarny: Never mention the S60 again.. May 25 21:43:48 hehe, I tried the S60 SDK some weeks ago May 25 21:43:57 :> May 25 21:44:17 I knew C++ is scary, but even the simplest S60 application scared me away ;) May 25 21:44:36 that sounds like my experience when i moved from amiga to windows May 25 21:44:38 crashanddie: one can live quite fine with speaking only English in Helsinki May 25 21:45:13 ssvb: english english English, english english? May 25 21:45:13 I'm going to repeat myself here, but I still don't get it: Confronted with worse-than-S40 bluetooth support the Nokia _technical_ support hotline said (quoted, as good as I can in english, call was in german): May 25 21:45:42 lcuk: have no idea, I'm not a native speaker... May 25 21:45:45 lcuk, ENGLISH en glish ! May 25 21:46:20 lcuk: but I think you got the idea :) May 25 21:46:28 "Of course S40 phones are older and more stable" to which I responded with "Are you saying that S60 phones are less stable than S40 ones?": "No, I didn't state that. But if you do want to have a phone that does _everything_ it just HAS to have some limitations and problems" May 25 21:46:47 :> May 25 21:46:55 blafasel: good grief May 25 21:47:03 now we know why n8x0 doesn't have a gsm! May 25 21:47:06 ;) May 25 21:47:25 At that point I couldn't stop laughing and the guy redirected me to an automated "How happy are you with the Nokia support call that you just made" system.. May 25 21:47:25 though it still has it's problems May 25 21:47:26 :) May 25 21:48:19 Well, I traded the Nokia phone for a Sony-Ericsson last thursday and it's just great. Well.. Nevermind my rant, but S60 is currently a topic that I just can't resist to comment on. May 25 21:54:49 * Cymor is away: afk May 25 21:59:27 ssvb: but 770 can't map it? May 25 22:01:01 lardman|tv: have not tried it, I switched to N810 for the last few hours May 25 22:01:43 ssvb: Glad to hear the theory translates into practice for the N8x0 at least then :) May 25 22:02:40 lardman|tv: it would be nice to have this information about 'dsp_dld -p' added to the dspprogramming wiki page May 25 22:04:14 hello, I'm trying to install scratchbox and I got it all installed, but when I try to compile something I get "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up!" May 25 22:04:17 what could be wrong? May 25 22:04:42 lardman|tv: one of the problem with getting started with DSP programming is that there is too much extra information (at least for the start) and some important bits are still missing... May 25 22:04:46 ssvb: I'll try to do it tomorrow assuming I remember ;) May 25 22:05:33 ssvb: yes, the page probably needs streamlining; I'd be interested to hear your comments (in an email perhaps) and I'll see what can be done to clarify & extend the wiki page May 25 22:05:45 I should link to the example code that I sent to the list for example May 25 22:06:01 lardman|tv: maybe we need to repackage dspgateway and have some kind of easy installation script May 25 22:06:23 ssvb: dspgateway or the toolchain? May 25 22:06:42 lardman|tv: dspgateway May 25 22:07:05 lardman|tv: but the installation script should check if the toolchain is properly installed May 25 22:09:23 dspgateway isn't really needed though, except for the headers May 25 22:09:46 lardman|tv: I mean that dspgateway package is does not directly target internet tablet devices, not all the examples work out of the box (at least that was my impression) May 25 22:10:11 ah yes, that's quite true May 25 22:10:40 but it's not directed at the internet tablets alone, all of the omap dev boards use it May 25 22:10:49 it seemed to me that it was aimed more at them May 25 22:11:11 I did offer to add some extra explanation to the dspgateway docs, but didn't hear anything back May 25 22:11:35 lardman|tv: that's the point, strip all the unnecessary stuff from it, have some standard installation directories (in /opt for example), add easy installation script that would check all the prerequisites (ti toolchain) May 25 22:11:53 yep May 25 22:12:17 Better docs would be useful too -> more info & explanation in the wiki page May 25 22:17:21 time for bed; night all May 25 22:31:58 Hello. I'm trying to install midori on os2008. I'm using packages from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-18488.html but I can't install webkit package. It requires libicu38 and and libxslt1.1. I tried to use install files from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/ but when I open them with application manager, it shows an error "unable to download libxslt1.1 . Application package not found". May 25 22:45:55 beford: get root access and then do apt-get install libxslt1.1 libicu38 from X Terminal May 25 22:53:20 I'd forgotten how useful thumb-activation of the thumb keyboard was after so long on Chinook. May 25 23:26:54 I started setting up maemo development on a machine some weeks ago and now Im not sure how far I went through. Can anyone tell me how I can confirm that ive installed the maemo SDK? May 25 23:29:19 sblogin or sb-login, I forget May 25 23:29:44 or if you don't have a target yet, you can set one up with sb-menu May 25 23:30:01 I stand firmly by the maemo sdk vmware appliance. http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ May 25 23:30:14 hmmm seems that I have scratchbox installed. Im trying to compile the sample program May 25 23:30:28 If you can run virtual machines quickly (like, if your processor supports virtualization), you can't beat it. May 25 23:31:46 it cant find my source files May 25 23:32:08 MaemoSDK+ (sbox2 based) is another option May 25 23:33:16 runs in windows too? May 25 23:33:56 The VMware image does on the free (beer) VMware Player May 25 23:34:20 free, but not open? May 25 23:34:21 :) May 25 23:34:31 so you can't tell it's really free May 25 23:34:32 :) May 25 23:34:39 (hidden fees) May 25 23:34:40 (: May 25 23:34:55 where do I put source files for scratchbox to find it? May 25 23:35:28 /scratchbox/users//home/ ? May 25 23:35:44 or just cf May 25 23:35:46 cd May 25 23:35:48 and wget May 25 23:35:49 :) May 25 23:36:03 symlink the sb user subdir to something under your home dir May 25 23:36:09 makes it easier to xfer fils May 25 23:36:31 symlinks rule May 25 23:36:31 :) May 25 23:37:34 so you recommend a vm instead? May 25 23:37:35 Jaffa, thanks, i'm installing them through ssh. May 25 23:38:56 a vm will save you some setup time May 25 23:39:22 I have this idea of having an application that would synthesise a tone depending on signal strength May 25 23:39:31 is that sane? May 25 23:39:39 what signal May 25 23:39:41 noisy May 25 23:39:53 and irritating for others May 25 23:39:54 :) May 25 23:39:57 all the wlans May 25 23:40:03 KotCzarny: yeah its not supposed to be practical May 25 23:40:10 pupnik: yep May 25 23:40:30 think May 25 23:41:56 pupnik: Im fairly certain that Im making a fool out of myself but I guess that this keeps me motivated enough to at least learn maemo and hopefully develop something more useful May 25 23:42:13 it's possible May 25 23:42:35 you can do it in a couple evenings hacking kismet client May 25 23:42:52 but think, how will you represent the signal strength of multiple wlans at once... May 25 23:43:08 dyschordia May 25 23:43:09 :) May 25 23:43:09 different notes May 25 23:43:19 each node is a piano key May 25 23:43:21 depending on freq May 25 23:43:35 but what about diff essids? May 25 23:43:36 right, so you have 13 or so bands of freqs, at varying volumes May 25 23:43:42 gawd i didnt wanna think about audio yet. thats later May 25 23:43:44 oh yeah May 25 23:44:16 world please stop, ive got too much to think about and 24 hours to do it in ;) May 25 23:44:34 :) May 25 23:44:37 pupnik: what about being able to specify just one of all the combinations? May 25 23:44:50 lcuk, it's only possible if you cut from information inputs May 25 23:45:01 :) May 25 23:45:19 why not do a full drumkit/one man band, you can assign fart noises and stuff to specific ssids May 25 23:45:28 nice to meet you kkrusty -- it's great to see ppl interested in making stuff May 25 23:45:31 well May 25 23:45:33 always happy to see that May 25 23:45:34 even better May 25 23:45:36 speach synth May 25 23:45:41 saying essids May 25 23:45:49 like kismet does May 25 23:45:51 with vol = sig str May 25 23:46:06 i have done warwalking with kismet May 25 23:46:12 and with freq = freq May 25 23:46:21 like you care about that May 25 23:46:34 if you find an open wlan, kismet makes a special beep May 25 23:46:39 could be fun for channel hoppers May 25 23:46:39 then you pull the tablet out of pocket May 25 23:46:42 and look at it May 25 23:46:44 ahn May 25 23:46:57 and when they are all close and surrounding you the noise changes to "run away" May 25 23:47:22 i'm just going to drop my dsl i think May 25 23:47:24 pupnik, i was gonna do bluetooth pinging and location with 810 for linuxtag May 25 23:47:33 coooool May 25 23:47:41 note the was :| May 25 23:47:51 * lcuk laffs May 25 23:47:58 still good idea for future May 25 23:48:02 so :) May 25 23:48:27 they all are, i really like what im doing even though theres no end product yet May 25 23:48:38 lcuk: it's going to be us, and a few random passerby May 25 23:48:49 show what you know... i'll enjoy it May 25 23:48:55 we have an entire linux conference to sneak around May 25 23:50:29 it would be great coupling a mesh toghether using a mix of known fixed location scanning nodes (like doorways) and mobile units. you could gather signal strengths from all nodes and produce a reasonably accurate map via transgulation May 25 23:50:48 -typos May 25 23:51:27 in the quick test i did it takes about 10 seconds per ping to obtain a full list of all surrounding devices with strength. May 25 23:51:52 but with devices starting from different times the map could evolve as new information comes in May 25 23:52:14 i would love a second device to exapnd on this May 25 23:55:26 will the projector have hdmi input? May 25 23:55:53 if so i can make a camera + box that will let us demo stuff live May 25 23:56:14 re May 25 23:56:16 heh May 25 23:56:16 GREAT VALUE - UNLOCKED Nokia N800 PDA & Internet Tablet May 25 23:56:16 May 25 23:56:18 would need to install synergy and usb networking May 25 23:56:41 if that guy is in germany i'll beat him over the head with a large stick May 25 23:56:42 :) May 25 23:57:22 internet pda? May 25 23:57:23 ;) May 25 23:57:38 i like the way its UNLOCKED May 25 23:57:48 how use the libgtkmozembed+ python ? May 25 23:57:54 import gtkmozembed May 25 23:58:00 module not found :( May 25 23:58:12 yeah May 25 23:58:23 observe that all false words are CAPITALIZED May 25 23:58:34 'great' and 'value' too May 26 00:05:15 i should sell tablets with 'extra' 'unlocked' software May 26 00:05:37 how about NEW ? May 26 00:06:17 actualyl, it could have maps paid for and unlocked May 26 00:06:48 darn May 26 00:06:50 but nahhh, its just some ebay head May 26 00:07:02 it could even have HACKED firmware.. May 26 00:07:06 :) May 26 00:07:14 oh god no, not hackers May 26 00:07:50 yeah.. May 26 00:08:10 the next thing, you will be tellin me they installed linux on it May 26 00:08:45 linux? teh terrorist! May 26 00:19:07 I was thinking that LibConIC would be sufficient to get signal strength values for all wlans May 26 00:21:34 huston - the phoenix has landed May 26 00:21:48 wee May 26 00:22:30 always good news to hear May 26 00:22:37 420$ to good use May 26 00:22:45 million May 26 00:27:27 kismet will work in scratchbox? May 26 00:28:04 the real question is if it will work on mars...? May 26 00:28:25 I cant imagine it working in scratchbox, but I'm not the expert here May 26 00:29:55 so how would you imagine someone to modify kismet? May 26 00:30:04 for n800 May 26 00:30:19 build it and test in system? May 26 00:30:21 with that secret stuff called source code May 26 00:30:42 system, which system? scratchbox or on the n800? May 26 00:30:45 or build for your dev box then do final cross compiling and debug in system May 26 00:30:59 i've given up on kismet on the n810 for the moment, wrote a python script to get lan/long from the gps and log it with the results from iwlist May 26 00:31:00 sorry, debug in targe (the n800) May 26 00:32:36 fireun: that makes sense. Is kismet working on the n800? At least to the level that I need May 26 00:32:49 fireun: Im just interested in signal strengths May 26 00:32:51 meh, build on the device itself May 26 00:33:21 practisevoodoo_: That was one of the ideas that I had. python + iwlist but Im guessing it must be slow May 26 00:33:29 not really May 26 00:33:44 i only have it scan every 20 seconds May 26 00:34:29 you have to run it as root to get iwlist working correctly, i'll chuck it on pastebin May 26 00:35:39 kkrusty: dunno, works on my 770 (: May 26 00:37:15 i know it works on the 770 but the n810 definately has it lock up May 26 00:37:16 http://pastebin.com/m3b10688d May 26 00:39:48 Is this a proper forum for a question on a hardware issue? May 26 00:50:29 a big w00t to JLP flight team May 26 00:51:03 * fireun poors one for phoenix May 26 00:51:15 jlp? don't you mean jpl? May 26 00:51:37 btw, what did they do? May 26 00:51:42 PMSL! ive been making typos all night, but thats more likely because of muscle memory May 26 00:51:53 yes, i meant jpl May 26 00:52:10 (though jlp are one of my customers at work) May 26 00:52:21 I used to work for those guys.. I'd like to get back there some day May 26 00:53:26 did it survive the 7 May 26 00:53:30 was that today? May 26 00:53:53 mars phoenix lander made it May 26 00:54:00 waiting for first pictures May 26 00:56:24 nice. Wonder if they've gotten on the ball and started using Ada May 26 00:57:09 prolog May 26 00:57:33 Would anyone have any suggestions for SD slots not working on a N800. I formatted 2 SD cards (Kingston and SanDisk) in FAT16 and FAT32 filesystems. I also flashed the N800 in 2007 and 2008 OS's. Neither OS or format would let the N800 recognize the SD card (512MB and 1GB sizes). I tried internal and external slots. May 26 00:58:12 Dennis: but something smaller does work? May 26 00:58:31 I have had nothing working in the SD slots. May 26 00:58:59 dennis, for the price of new ones just try if a new one will work May 26 00:59:18 i had to restart my n810 with the card in it the first time that i wanted it to work May 26 00:59:23 lcuk: thats what I was trying to confirm, if he's had anything work in the slots, not just the big memory May 26 00:59:49 restart==battery out after turnoff May 26 00:59:53 I've tried restarts with the card in the slots. no recognition May 26 01:00:19 ill try the battery out.. should it be out for any time period? May 26 01:01:21 the cards are reconzied in a camera, card reader and laptop SD slot May 26 01:01:33 I even let the camera format the cards May 26 01:02:01 you got the extended warranty at circuit city, right? May 26 01:02:16 LOL.. May 26 01:04:21 the problem is w/ your device May 26 01:04:53 * fireun thinks he said that, not in so many words but.... May 26 01:05:18 I thought so. I just read of some problems with SD cards after flashing to 2008. I ruled a software issue out by attempting to read the cards after a 2007 downgrade May 26 01:05:36 its hardware... :( May 26 01:08:15 I just wanted someone else to tell me before I believed it. May 26 01:09:55 Thanks.. May 26 01:23:41 ... and if the lander had been running maemo... May 26 01:28:20 ..then watchdog would kill it May 26 01:28:21 ;) May 26 01:28:27 watchdog kills May 26 01:47:09 live, from Wikipedia headquarters! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Trotta May 26 01:47:24 page changes every few seconds May 26 01:57:27 pwnt May 26 02:04:29 n800m: you mean that the people who watch Fox news can also read and write? May 26 02:05:30 you wouldn't think that by some of the edits May 26 02:05:55 the clip is a fake. if you listen she says, "well, twoath if we could." now, "twoath" is obviously not a word. nor do people speak with splice marks, such as the one that is easily audible at the beginning of the word. further, you can clearly see her lips run afoul when the word is spoken. play this specific part a few times and listen closely. it quickly becomes obvious it is a fake. May 26 02:06:03 that's the best one i caught May 26 02:06:06 live May 26 02:07:35 last update was october last year May 26 02:07:38 misfire May 26 02:36:01 anyone with a cradlepoint router try the GPS features? I notice they just added them to the firmware at the end of march May 26 02:39:21 vry cool.. instead of getting gps coords over bluetooth, they're sent from port 8889 on the network -- which eliminates the need for n800 users to carry a bt-gps device May 26 02:40:05 * unixSnob wonders if the gps library is keen to this **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 26 02:59:56 2008