**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 29 02:59:56 2008 May 29 03:00:07 greetings May 29 03:01:03 ooo gnome alsamixer! May 29 03:01:11 I need to figure out this booting from sd thing May 29 03:01:16 tomorrow May 29 03:01:32 johnx have you tried cellwriter? May 29 03:01:36 yup May 29 03:01:39 cw is fun May 29 03:01:41 little slow, but usable May 29 03:01:48 totally not slow :P May 29 03:01:55 minimize to the systray May 29 03:02:02 it doesn't *run* slow May 29 03:02:12 but it's a slower input method for me than thumb typing May 29 03:02:13 what's slow? May 29 03:02:18 oh, pfft May 29 03:02:26 but yeah, much fun :D May 29 03:02:40 it has a nice kb too May 29 03:03:05 I need to get around to figuring out how to get matchbox-keyboard to launch from the bottom May 29 03:03:18 and resizing the bottom too, rather than the top :| May 29 03:03:38 can't you use devilspie to specify geometry? May 29 03:03:42 hey, any chance anybody has a link to formatting/accessing sdhc cards, i may have bought some bum used hardware May 29 03:04:05 i'm using nokia810, (latest flash), and ubuntu 8.02 May 29 03:04:11 nothing special luddite__, you just format them like normal May 29 03:04:15 johnx, it resizes my maximized windows. May 29 03:04:34 it being matchbox-keyboard May 29 03:04:42 interesting, so sdhc cards don't require any additional packages/modules May 29 03:05:00 luddite__, nope May 29 03:05:27 Navi, I understand that, but you don't think forcing a certain geometry (aka location+size) will help? May 29 03:05:31 hmm, ok, i'll keep hacking it May 29 03:05:33 No :P May 29 03:05:41 thanks!! May 29 03:08:06 weak May 29 03:08:20 maemo doesn't unmount the cards cleanly when turning off May 29 03:08:27 haha May 29 03:08:29 hmm is there a way to simulate rmb built in? May 29 03:08:30 slick May 29 03:14:13 Whoever's bright idea to only stick a brief description in the man page and have a separate file for the readme is a reduntard May 29 03:21:40 hmm something rotated the touch input May 29 03:22:03 How does that happen? May 29 03:22:04 click the bottom left corner of the screen May 29 03:22:20 xrandr plugin button without xrandr support May 29 03:22:31 ah got it back thanks :D May 29 03:22:46 now, go out and flash a kernel with rotation support :) May 29 03:22:49 wow this is pretty sweet john May 29 03:22:53 hehe May 29 03:23:06 I'd probably use debian pda-style if battery didn't suck May 29 03:23:43 hmm...standby mode should work I would assume May 29 03:24:09 and the dvfs stuff should be working, just need to turn down the sreen backlight and make sure nothing wakes the CPU May 29 03:26:44 I see there is joydev compiled in this :D May 29 03:26:53 woo May 29 03:27:03 * Navi grabs lejoystik May 29 03:29:36 lols, remote X May 29 03:30:14 heh...now to design a "6ft viewable" GUI for the tablet May 29 03:30:30 :/ May 29 03:30:55 ha May 29 03:30:56 * johnx wants to play duck hunt with a real "light zapper" :D May 29 03:31:02 :P May 29 03:31:29 yay wpa_supplicant! May 29 03:31:39 I love it! May 29 03:32:45 wireless working for you? May 29 03:32:52 yes perfectly May 29 03:33:12 I'll try it on ttls-pap at work tomorrow May 29 03:33:19 ohmigawdit crashed+rebooted May 29 03:34:22 debian is on a 4gb partition of a 16gb sdhc May 29 03:34:31 plenty of room May 29 03:34:32 1GB here May 29 03:34:46 freelikegnu, should give you plenty of space to compile things :) May 29 03:34:59 woo, compilin' on teh N800 May 29 03:35:04 is it painful to compile on the machine? May 29 03:35:15 I've been using scratchbox May 29 03:35:17 Big stuff, sure May 29 03:35:36 Ill compile the sixaxis stuff May 29 03:35:40 teeny-tiny stuff, not so much May 29 03:35:57 just compiled the C parts of python-hildon and python-osso last night May 29 03:36:08 That's 'cuz you're crazy May 29 03:36:14 that was super quick May 29 03:36:22 bt sixaxis works nice on my laptop, hope it will be ok on the n800 May 29 03:36:27 took maybe ~30 minutes for both on a slower ARM machine May 29 03:39:46 :P May 29 03:40:33 hah now I am ssh,screen, irc from the debian nokia May 29 03:40:40 too cool May 29 03:41:03 llaammmmeeee May 29 03:41:08 hehe May 29 03:41:22 bleh May 29 03:41:27 GTK doesn't like teh remote X May 29 03:41:35 disgusting May 29 03:42:02 ssh -x intelligon -lfrancisco -p9922 May 29 03:42:09 doh May 29 03:42:10 hehe May 29 03:42:16 hax May 29 03:42:20 hax May 29 03:42:20 hax May 29 03:47:55 well ssh -X woks fine May 29 03:48:07 does it? May 29 03:48:29 yeah I ran remotes thunar and vlc May 29 03:48:55 bleh May 29 03:49:41 always disconnects/change lan IP a few minutes after the initial connect May 29 03:50:28 worked after the reboot May 29 03:51:32 johnx, does user have a default password? May 29 03:51:49 i'm pretty sure not May 29 03:51:54 but user is locked May 29 03:51:56 pretty sure? May 29 03:52:01 :| May 29 03:52:13 i don't remember. what does the wiki say? May 29 03:53:17 rootme is for root May 29 03:53:48 lol synaptic is painful May 29 03:54:07 synaptic blows :P May 29 03:54:10 apt-cache works well enough for me :D May 29 03:54:26 aptitude wins May 29 03:54:29 or at least fails to lose May 29 03:54:34 hehe May 29 03:54:54 aptitude gets part of my love May 29 03:55:19 using xfce on n800 makes me think that apple is not so idiotic for making macs single button May 29 03:55:41 xfce is kind of weird w/o rmb for me May 29 03:55:50 * Navi uses a three button mouse with Macs May 29 03:56:17 yeah I prefer trackball with scroll button on mac at work May 29 03:56:35 just tap+hold... May 29 03:56:39 Scroll toggle buttons are teh win May 29 03:57:18 hmm is mouse disabled on n800 debian? May 29 03:57:30 I think it was an Xomap thing May 29 03:57:34 it's part of xomap May 29 03:57:51 maybe just give it another -mouse argument? May 29 03:58:06 I'll have to read up on that May 29 03:58:08 -mouse /dev/touchscreen -mouse /dev/input/mice ? May 29 04:02:17 well I did something dumb May 29 04:02:27 yay! May 29 04:02:38 I ran Xomap with args and it said it was locked May 29 04:02:48 so I killall Xomap May 29 04:02:54 hehe May 29 04:02:57 heh May 29 04:03:03 pull out that usb keyboard or use ssh May 29 04:03:17 using usb kb May 29 04:03:21 you guys should topic this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ May 29 04:03:31 n800m, it is May 29 04:03:32 its actually ps/2 on usb adapter May 29 04:03:49 :oooo May 29 04:04:19 n800m, the log's already in the topic. May 29 04:04:46 oh yeah May 29 04:04:53 i only see like half of it May 29 04:04:54 ^_^ May 29 04:05:03 I see even less May 29 04:10:04 heh May 29 04:10:26 uae isn't working May 29 04:10:30 or i'm missing something May 29 04:10:49 gah why dont folding bt kbs have a pointing device?!!? May 29 04:11:16 wow, the LCD just faded out O_o May 29 04:11:27 freelikegnu, because that old-age technology is too old! May 29 04:14:12 whee sshfs! May 29 04:14:28 * freelikegnu is swimming in the debian ppol May 29 04:14:32 woo May 29 04:14:45 *poo May 29 04:14:53 pool even May 29 04:15:00 Navi, faded out in debian or OS2008? May 29 04:19:58 debian May 29 04:20:09 did a shutdown May 29 04:28:01 facebook ground me to a halt :o May 29 04:29:37 good May 29 04:32:12 printer spooler?! May 29 04:32:19 oh my May 29 04:32:22 * johnx heads off to work May 29 04:32:38 cya john and thanks! May 29 04:32:45 :) May 29 04:34:11 Woo May 29 04:34:15 infobot is totally back May 29 04:34:26 infobot, you rock May 29 04:34:33 aw, gee, Navi May 29 04:44:31 robotcop lol May 29 04:44:44 robotcop May 29 04:45:02 Inside joke on another channel May 29 04:45:03 sounds like a rippoff like michael mouse May 29 04:45:58 aka mickey mouse May 29 05:19:07 oh man lots of upgraded packages May 29 05:19:35 * freelikegnu leaves his nit to chew on upgrades May 29 05:25:24 free, what os? May 29 06:09:11 night May 29 06:15:17 anyone awake? May 29 06:15:25 maybe May 29 06:16:05 heh. i was wondering about security-related updates/patches. for example, there's a 0-day on the adobe flashplayer plugin May 29 06:16:19 when/how/do? these things get addressed for os2008? May 29 06:16:32 ask adobe? May 29 06:16:41 It's really a big meh to me May 29 06:17:05 tank, adobe will release an upgrade. my question is maemo-specific May 29 06:17:07 Security through obscurity, the NITs being pretty obscure :P May 29 06:17:37 I don't know how the official devs react May 29 06:17:42 navi, linux is linux, a root exploit will give you root when the proc is arm just as well as when the proc is intel May 29 06:19:25 hrmm. would the upstream debian/armel libflashplayer.so work? May 29 06:19:28 Yes, but linux itself is obscure as well. Furthermore, I'd actually have to have it connected, which I don't do unless I'm actually using it or at home May 29 06:20:09 "The entry at US-CERT says Adobe is saying it is fixed in the current 9.0.124 version dated 3/24/2008." May 29 06:20:40 I'm much more worried about packet sniffers than people taking over May 29 06:20:44 there's still confusion about this. either way, os2008 ships with 9.0.31.33 May 29 06:21:20 Diablo's only seeing a minor update May 29 06:21:27 You could always try :P May 29 06:21:35 Navi, wpa2 is quite safe. while closed, no reports on breaking it without bruteforcing May 29 06:21:52 Well, yeah, but my Uni's network is an open one. May 29 06:22:19 web browser is run by the user anyways, not root May 29 06:22:20 if you have some secure endpoint you trust you can go vpn or even ssh tunnel route May 29 06:22:34 hah May 29 06:23:03 tank, that's why they're called root exploits. they allow unpriviliged code to run ring0 May 29 06:23:47 i see May 29 06:23:54 I don't have a secure endpoint, sadly May 29 06:24:07 Navi, in general, how cross-compatible are things on mameo with the debian/arm packages (assuming no X libs) May 29 06:24:44 I've never tried May 29 06:25:15 navi, are you a developer? May 29 06:25:18 No May 29 06:28:11 in general they're fairly compatible, though just doing a dpkg-src and building it will make a package that the app-manager doesn't like, but dpkg cli in a terminal on maemo will handle ok May 29 06:28:43 of course anything with binary components (ie, flash) would be highly platform dependent May 29 06:29:20 debian/arm is old, debian/armel is newer May 29 06:29:29 hrmm, a quick look on the adobe site has no armel version. May 29 06:29:53 yeah, adobe supports publicly very narrow set of environments May 29 06:30:00 or an arm version, for that matter. seems like they did a one-off for nokia or else it's not public May 29 06:30:19 Well, like I said before, the Diablo one is slightly newer May 29 06:30:25 so it'd be like a two-off May 29 06:31:11 is diablo pretty stable already? May 29 06:32:28 * Navi shrugs May 29 06:32:36 dragorn/kulve, agreed, and thanks. May 29 06:32:38 I only tried it for an hour or so May 29 06:55:19 mysc: linux is not linux May 29 06:55:30 linux-arm is not binary compatible w/ linux-x86 May 29 06:56:27 most exploits require per arch code and techniques, and the payoff for hacking tablets isn't worth it May 29 06:57:05 for that matter, linux-eabi is not compatible w/ linux-arm ... May 29 06:57:51 tank-man: what's the ceert url for that? May 29 06:58:50 http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA08-100A.html ? May 29 07:00:30 http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/395473 May 29 07:01:19 flashplugin-alternative.so was the adobe plugin?! May 29 07:01:50 :o May 29 07:01:55 on the tablets, i dont know May 29 07:02:03 tablets i know May 29 07:02:10 but that thing says that in general on linux May 29 07:02:13 which is just wierd May 29 07:02:25 People assume May 29 07:02:48 It's easier to overgeneralize everything May 29 07:03:55 So, how's life, timely? May 29 07:04:25 i'm trying to figure out how to fly HEL => NGO May 29 07:04:32 and i have like 15mins to do it :) May 29 07:04:35 :D May 29 07:04:37 youch May 29 07:04:41 time machine May 29 07:04:46 um... that flight path is *not* cheap May 29 07:07:44 heh May 29 07:10:46 ok, YVR <=> NGO is ~1500USD May 29 07:10:53 Ouch May 29 07:10:55 Damn May 29 07:11:08 Wait, NGO? May 29 07:11:26 it's better than HEL <=> NGO which is ~1900USD May 29 07:11:28 if the os-base is similar enough then an injection of root code will work and then it's only a matter of changing the code you're injecting to be arm code May 29 07:11:48 i accept that the relative obscurity is a defense though May 29 07:12:20 you're assuming there's even a root exploit to be had May 29 07:12:31 the flash exploit seems to be a normal arbitrary code exploit May 29 07:12:42 i don't know of any local root exploits available for os2008 May 29 07:13:24 although i suppose you /might/ be able to convince application manager to install something for you... but iirc that generally requires interaction which should really require way too much effort May 29 07:13:29 Flights are so expensive now :( May 29 07:14:36 Navi: well, rule of thumb: book as early as possible May 29 07:14:47 Of course :P May 29 07:15:44 HEL <=> NRT is ~1350 USD May 29 07:16:29 tbf: fails miserably if you're trying to figure out who's coming/not for how long May 29 07:17:02 No flights were found between Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR-All Airports) and Nykoping, Sweden (NYO-Skavsta) that matched your request. May 29 07:17:03 Any reason in particular that you're flying to Japan? May 29 07:17:47 i want to meet some people i know there and be a tourist May 29 07:17:56 Ah May 29 07:17:58 Woo \o/ May 29 07:18:17 ok, YVR <=> NRT is <1300 USD May 29 07:18:21 which i guess is the winner May 29 07:18:49 actually, i'd hope to at least visit thailand and a couple of other places May 29 07:19:01 funfun May 29 07:19:17 Burst into johnx's apartment and steal his tablet May 29 07:19:33 is he there? May 29 07:19:45 I forget where he lives in Japan May 29 07:20:01 i'm not picky, i expect to travel to a couple of cities May 29 07:20:38 LAX <=> NRT is < 1200 USD May 29 07:20:44 (these are all roundtrip fairs) May 29 07:20:53 Heh May 29 07:21:54 basically, i want to visit thailand, hong kong, maybe mainland china, japan, maybe LA or SFO/SJC and my anchors are YVR and HEL May 29 07:22:25 Lot of traveling there May 29 07:22:41 well... i'll be around YVR for a week May 29 07:23:35 Morning May 29 07:25:22 watch out for the tasers at YVR :) i'm kidding May 29 07:26:03 ? May 29 07:26:45 didnt hear of that story a while back of a guy getting tasered at YVR ? May 29 07:26:52 wow. HEL <=> KIX is 900USD May 29 07:26:59 Woo May 29 07:27:06 google serach of "YVR taser" will show up stories of it May 29 07:27:08 at that point, it's actually ok to do May 29 07:27:08 * Navi proceeds to look up the name of another airport May 29 07:28:54 anyway, i give up.. time to find a travel agent to figure out the rest :) May 29 07:30:00 Lol May 29 07:37:20 there is really helpfull people at the nokia care phone line ! i 'm surprised May 29 07:38:16 * qwerty12 N800 is pissing me off. my internal memory card is always "in use". lsof says nothing is using it. May 29 07:38:30 Happens May 29 07:38:39 No, this is happening all the time May 29 07:38:44 Happens May 29 07:38:45 Even from a clean reboot :/ May 29 07:39:12 It stopped doing it as much after I removed the media scanner May 29 07:39:18 I'm just gonna swap the mmc's when I need them May 29 07:39:21 Thanks, will do that May 29 07:39:35 multimediad crashed when I removed the mmc manually May 29 07:39:46 So I guess it's on that end somewhere May 29 07:53:26 Hello May 29 07:54:33 does anyone happen to know any good tutorial from drag and drop -functionality? May 29 08:00:35 * qwerty12 notes that CONFIG_TIMER_STATS doesn't seem to agree with wifi May 29 08:10:45 Hi all from LinuxTag May 29 08:10:52 Hi May 29 08:10:55 Fun fun? May 29 08:10:56 Hehe, Hi, Enjoying yourself? May 29 08:11:14 Hehe, the fun is only getting started :) May 29 08:13:16 Or track starts in about 1 hour and 45 minutes. May 29 08:13:42 I hope we will keep proper connections, so I can keep you guys posted. May 29 08:15:42 qwerty12 > does your swap is active ? May 29 08:16:11 what is the media-engine process ? May 29 08:16:18 Eh May 29 08:16:20 I'm really tired May 29 08:16:26 Good night guys May 29 08:16:29 Khertan_n810_die, Yes it is come think of it, but isn't meant to get deactivated? Thanks, I'll try turning it off. May 29 08:16:29 is it related to metalayer-crawler ? May 29 08:16:35 good night Navi ... May 29 08:16:37 Navi, Good night May 29 08:17:21 Khertan_n810_die, Thanks! Deactivating swap worked :) May 29 08:17:25 :) May 29 08:17:54 But it's gonna be annoying to keep activating and disabling. osso-mmc-mount is meant to disable it automatically >.< May 29 08:19:23 * qwerty12 goes off to make DSP/CPU run at 133/400 May 29 08:26:05 I shouldn't be changing the DEFAULT_OP from OP_1 right? May 29 08:39:54 morning May 29 08:40:01 morning May 29 08:40:44 pupnik810: Are you at LinuxTag too? May 29 08:42:10 yep May 29 08:42:17 dev center May 29 08:42:32 holding a n810? May 29 08:42:37 Raise your hand, I'm there too. May 29 08:43:53 scannig X-Fade .... May 29 08:44:33 2 guys at a table, one red shirt, me blue. May 29 08:53:59 wasn't there supposed to be a booth for maemo? May 29 08:54:56 There was a display with the tablets yesterday, but we don't have that today. May 29 08:55:27 Everybody will be at the track today, so nobody to man the booth. May 29 08:55:29 thhere where a few at the OE camp May 29 08:57:50 I will try to get the qemu full emulation working on my computer. May 29 08:58:10 perhaps with mamona :P May 29 08:58:27 keesj, If you get maemo working, slip me config :p May 29 09:13:08 is there a way to clear memory on a tablet without usb cable ? May 29 09:13:38 the n810 doesn't start May 29 09:13:39 :) May 29 09:14:10 i don't want that all my ssh key et gpg private key be accessible ... May 29 09:14:25 as other password May 29 09:14:28 ? May 29 09:14:33 You mean of the memory cards? You won't be able to do the built in 2gb, unless you have bootmenu installed :/ May 29 09:14:48 And even then, you need a usb cable >.< May 29 09:14:54 memory card and internal (/home/user) May 29 09:15:08 :( May 29 09:15:39 If your N810 won't boot, then you need at least ssh and a usb cable to do things like that. May 29 09:17:03 can someone tell me where to find the default root password? May 29 09:17:24 You don't need one unless you install openssh May 29 09:17:26 ~easyroot May 29 09:17:27 from memory, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com May 29 09:18:57 I want to do stuff as root on a shell on the n810 and got stuck at password entry May 29 09:19:07 Did you try the link above? May 29 09:19:09 there is a no root password May 29 09:19:14 sec May 29 09:19:29 to get root install easyroot (above) or install openssh-server (which sets a root password as part of the install May 29 09:19:34 johnx: dunno but mine has one May 29 09:19:44 err...the root password is unmatchable May 29 09:19:45 not blank May 29 09:20:32 nope /etc/passwd has some hash for root May 29 09:21:35 are you on the latest OS2008? May 29 09:22:01 At the end of the day, we can't do anything with it. So you have to install easyroot or openssh which lets you change the password. You can edit sudoers afterwards to let you run any command with sudo. May 29 09:22:26 ok, easyroot worked May 29 09:23:03 Hello, does anyone here have any idea about how the Internet Connectivity Daemon works more specifically in depth parts of the WLAN side? May 29 09:23:45 I wonder how secure a device can be if it's that easy to break root. Just before I thought, that I might give john the ripper a try ... May 29 09:24:15 well, dpkg has to run as root...otherwise you can't install anything... May 29 09:24:24 it's the user's choice May 29 09:24:31 Nokia don't mean to lock you out. Google RD mode. May 29 09:26:02 johnx: Don't tell me that, I know which tools need root. The questions is a) Why is a root-pwd secretly set and b) Can be broken easily by installing a stupid app from the web and type "root". This way enables me to break every N8*0 i get into my hands May 29 09:26:56 if dpkg has root it's trivial to make a package that grants you root access too May 29 09:27:18 and yes, generally once you have physical access to a machine it's easy to get root May 29 09:28:25 johnx: I wonder what expert designed such a system... I thought these times where over May 29 09:28:33 it's called Unix May 29 09:29:21 It it's the case what you're telling me, nobody would sanely run a ssh server to let other users on a box May 29 09:29:53 * qwerty12 is reminded of meanwhile May 29 09:30:05 uhm...if you let people *install apps onto the system* then you've already given away root May 29 09:30:12 why try and be annoying about it? May 29 09:30:50 * wnd sighs, "no popcorn here" May 29 09:31:23 anyways, the root password used to be "rootme" with a locked root account and no way to login remotely May 29 09:31:41 johnx: Sorry i just got a N810 into my hands to do some embedded dev on it, I didn't bought it. Maybe Nokia thought letting it as easy as can be for normal users but I've to shake my head... May 29 09:31:43 I was under the impression they changed it to an umatchable password, but apparently not May 29 09:32:28 anyway, thanks for your help ;) May 29 09:32:31 sure May 29 09:32:36 didn't mean to snap at you :) May 29 09:32:42 me neither ;) May 29 09:32:44 LMAO : http://www.audiforums.com/m_693578/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#693578 May 29 09:33:26 speilicke, the N8x0 software platform is closer to a desktop/laptop debian machine than a phone or true embedded system May 29 09:34:45 qwerty12, ah, the art of trolling May 29 09:35:00 hehe, the meanwhile thing? May 29 09:35:07 nah, the audi thing May 29 09:35:10 Ah May 29 09:35:39 * qwerty12 loves running DSP/CPU at 133/400 May 29 09:36:24 hi, pupnik810 May 29 09:37:04 lol, so did you all find each other at ltag? May 29 09:37:06 * mgedmin810 is standing outside the developer room in linuxtag May 29 09:37:15 with lcuk May 29 09:37:16 not yet May 29 09:37:49 good morning folks, im nervous as hell ... May 29 09:38:04 lcuk, you'll do fine. :) May 29 09:38:10 morning, cheer up, hope your presentation goes well :) May 29 09:38:16 so do i May 29 09:38:24 just take a deep breath and launch into it May 29 09:39:05 Imagine the audience is wearing... May 29 09:39:07 cant May 29 09:39:08 gold n800's with diamonds on their neck May 29 09:39:39 pupnik810 where are you hiding May 29 09:39:39 why not n810"? May 29 09:39:54 N800's more shinier :p May 29 09:39:59 er, that " was supposed to be a s May 29 09:41:39 where are all the other maemo people hiding? May 29 09:41:58 lcuk were in the dev center May 29 09:42:11 next to paris May 29 09:42:12 fcuk, wlancond doesn't like debug being turned off in kernel May 29 09:42:36 me blue shirt -keesj white t-shirt May 29 09:43:00 we went to get some coffee May 29 09:43:25 lcuk didn't recognise you May 29 09:49:50 <_berto_> iÂÂÂ'm in the paris room May 29 09:50:53 Any news from LinuxTag yet? May 29 09:53:06 I saw kobo deluxe running on a n800 May 29 09:53:26 I think kobo deluxe was a pupnik port iirc May 29 09:54:25 Yeah, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8899 May 29 09:54:31 * johnx pokes at the new garnetvm May 29 09:54:32 this one was done by an openembedded guy May 29 09:54:50 Ah May 29 09:56:54 lcuk was impressed May 29 09:57:07 and said that pupnik should see it May 29 10:01:13 Still thinking about going to Berlin/Linuxtag tomorrow ;) May 29 10:06:10 quim is talking now May 29 10:07:40 Once again does anyone what applications are called etc with the internet connectivity daemon when it tries to connect to a network May 29 10:07:50 specifically a wlan May 29 10:08:13 If you want to run something once it's connected, look into dbus-scripts May 29 10:10:29 qwerty12 was that in response to my question??? May 29 10:10:36 yes May 29 10:10:43 That really does not help May 29 10:10:51 Fine then May 29 10:11:08 I need to know these things specifically because I intend to rewrite the internet connectivity daemon May 29 10:11:17 at least the wlan part May 29 10:11:48 Ahh, I thought you just wanted to run something after connecting May 29 10:12:26 No i intend to rewrite it in an attempt to close Maemo bug# 950 and make it use wpasupplicant for most of its wlan connections May 29 10:13:31 goin out fer a smoke May 29 10:13:43 Thats why I really need to know at least what programs and where the source code is for the wlan side of the ICD May 29 10:13:53 mgedmin810: I want to know what he was referring to when he said they'd all be busy at the end of September ;-) May 29 10:14:28 a new garnet vm ? May 29 10:14:30 darren_, I don't know if this will help any, so don't kill me :/ : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-wlan/ May 29 10:14:45 I will look into it, thank you May 29 10:15:18 Also, this is for 770 but info seems useful to me imho: http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ May 29 10:15:31 cool May 29 10:16:04 I just finished fixing the damn EeePC 701 with its broken madwifi and wpasupplicant May 29 10:16:12 and now that i have an N810 May 29 10:16:15 I have to fix that May 29 10:16:57 * qwerty12 has to fix my software version. NOLO could do with some fixes >.< May 29 10:18:20 Unfortunatly the WiFi networks at my uni/workplace are PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with wep and PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with WPA May 29 10:19:36 Thank you qwerty12, it looks like the package you pointed to was exactly what I was looking for May 29 10:19:43 or at least part of it May 29 10:39:20 can someone please tell how panning /zooming of maps is done in maemo-mapper? May 29 10:40:46 with stylus and -/+ keys May 29 10:42:07 Quim is having his talk now. May 29 10:42:34 Fremantle will be the successor of Diablo, not Elephanta. May 29 10:43:09 Why from D > F? May 29 10:43:26 I thought logic would have been D > E. May 29 10:43:46 More info about that later. May 29 10:44:10 After Fremantle there will be Harmattan. May 29 10:44:13 it's the Finnish alphabet :) May 29 10:44:38 hmm is there power for laptop on the stage? May 29 10:45:38 pupnik810: yes. May 29 10:46:03 oh, live writing from linuxtag :-) May 29 10:46:06 harmattan will have qt May 29 10:46:13 ooh May 29 10:46:23 in addition to gtk, I hope May 29 10:46:38 Fremantle = Hildon + GTK+ evolved. May 29 10:46:55 Harmattan will have Qt integrated. May 29 10:47:09 the qt logo always reminds me of the soviet hammer and sickle May 29 10:47:33 Heh, I see what you mean May 29 10:47:57 I found part of the icd in the package osso-ic, does anyone known where that source file is? May 29 10:48:20 I think it's closed May 29 10:48:42 * darren_ grumbles May 29 10:48:50 better check that May 29 10:49:13 I'd love to be proved wrong May 29 10:49:21 well it is not in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/ May 29 10:50:00 The really really old for (for 2006 can be found here) :/ : http://stage.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/source/o/osso-ic-oss/ May 29 10:50:01 dists/.../Sources is safer to check May 29 10:50:24 sometimes the source package name starts with a different letter May 29 10:50:58 Best I can find is this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/source/osso-ic-oss_1.0.4.tar.gz - os2007 though May 29 10:51:01 iirc May 29 10:51:22 hmmm maybe me and nokia need to have a screaming match... maybe May 29 10:51:23 Jaffa's diagram is being used. May 29 10:51:46 darren_, get a plane to linuxtag and disrupt nokia presentations :p May 29 10:51:53 The one on community involvement, control and openness. May 29 10:52:08 * darren_ ponders it May 29 10:52:23 * darren_ checks when and where next LinuxTag conference is May 29 10:52:58 linuxtag is always at berlin at the end of may May 29 10:53:08 :) May 29 10:53:21 hmmmm the credit card will cover it May 29 10:54:05 unfortunately not quite May 29 10:54:31 although May 29 10:55:00 Nope to expensive May 29 10:56:08 voice call to a tablet placed next to a microphone? May 29 10:56:11 There wil ba a 100 days community action plan. More info on that later.. May 29 10:56:42 maemo summit on sep 19 in Berlin May 29 10:57:21 now that I could make it too May 29 10:57:29 :-) May 29 10:57:30 There might be some language barrier problems May 29 10:59:18 X-Fade_: cool that my diagram's being used (unless it's being used to say "look how wrong Jaffa got it " May 29 10:59:41 Hmm, Sep 19th. I think I'm in Arnhem later that week, so Berlin might be doable (depending on who's invited) May 29 11:00:50 q & a now May 29 11:00:58 Jaffa: your slide was presented May 29 11:01:23 What did "Gtk+ evolved" mean, BTW? Better/easier porting of existing apps without having to do the HildonProgram/Window/menu thing? May 29 11:01:29 keesj: ace :) May 29 11:02:17 http://www.keesj.dds.nl/p5291789.jpg May 29 11:02:39 probably the usual integration of new upstream versions May 29 11:03:15 porters are complaining about gtk 2.10 in chinook May 29 11:05:06 maybe. gtk 2.14 is expected for july May 29 11:05:54 keesj: three guys only at LinuxTAG? May 29 11:06:15 surely more May 29 11:06:39 +1 May 29 11:06:39 I see two sleeping guys on the shot :) May 29 11:08:22 <_berto_> <-- May 29 11:09:03 Are you guys (pupnik, lcuk, X-Fade) in Berlin tomorrow as well? May 29 11:09:38 * mgedmin810 will be May 29 11:10:21 * _berto_ too May 29 11:10:22 Blafasel: Only in the morning. May 29 11:11:37 keesj: yay! fame :-) May 29 11:28:01 hello, i shit bricks literally, irc is simpler May 29 11:32:40 lcuk, where are you now? May 29 11:33:17 oh, I see you May 29 11:43:00 mgedmin810/lcuk/X-Fade: you writing this up for planet.m.o? May 29 11:43:25 N810 now in the hand of nokia ... May 29 11:43:47 i hope nokia repair center will fix it fastly :) May 29 11:45:37 sat with lardman hrw monis and a few others May 29 11:46:07 monis is nomis' evil twin? May 29 11:46:53 hmm. Usning a bluetooth keyboard on my n810, I have a mild oddity... May 29 11:47:02 It seems to be stuck in compose mode May 29 11:47:42 I can't type a ' or " normally (any time I press ', it'll add an accent to the *next* character I type) May 29 11:49:07 I'm back! :) May 29 11:49:11 and... sleep time May 29 11:49:25 how did (or, is?) linuxtag go? May 29 11:49:37 its going ok May 29 11:49:54 still a day or two left? May 29 11:50:21 lcuk, done your presentation? :) May 29 11:50:36 yer - badly May 29 11:50:45 lol May 29 11:50:56 any videos up? May 29 11:52:42 no video cameras were there May 29 11:52:57 I suspect only audio was recorded May 29 11:53:09 ccooke: keymap issue May 29 11:53:41 dead_apostrophe mapped on that key, probably May 29 11:54:19 lcuk: the presentation was fine May 29 12:16:28 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186836&postcount=640 May 29 13:22:28 * mgedmin810 installs vagalume May 29 13:22:32 nice May 29 13:23:03 <_berto_> :D May 29 13:23:16 it could have a button to open last.fm signup page in the browser May 29 13:23:18 i prefer it over the canola plug-in, nice job _berto_ May 29 13:24:14 <_berto_> thanks qwerty12-N800 :) May 29 13:24:33 <_berto_> mgedmin810: yes, we have an experimental patch for that May 29 13:24:43 <_berto_> and to go to the artist's page May 29 13:25:30 * mgedmin810 doesn't understand some of the icons May 29 13:25:50 sadly no tooltips on maemo... May 29 13:25:56 <_berto_> yes, I know May 29 13:26:00 <_berto_> hopefully we'll fix that May 29 13:26:09 <_berto_> just click on them, they're harmless May 29 13:26:17 <_berto_> and if not they'll show a confirmation dialog May 29 13:26:21 good May 29 13:26:57 anyone know any software for n810 where u can send pictures made on camera straight to flicker? May 29 13:27:11 term-sig, maemo-publishr May 29 13:27:20 nice May 29 13:27:20 tnx johnx. May 29 13:28:04 though that still requires you to take pics in "camera" or "gps-camera" and then upload May 29 13:29:05 camera tends to make my nokia crash May 29 13:29:25 uses so much cpu the watchdog kills it May 29 13:29:43 no idea why May 29 13:29:57 and if not the watchdog, then I pull the battery May 29 13:30:02 * qwerty12-N800 wishes op_mode can be switched from sysfs May 29 13:30:21 5 minutes of completely nonresponsive tablet May 29 13:30:45 you can always take comfort in the fact that the camera sucks anyway May 29 13:30:57 yeah May 29 13:31:04 I gave up on it a long time ago :/ May 29 13:31:08 yeah, that too May 29 13:31:13 and for the record, I've observed exactly same behaviour May 29 13:31:18 same here May 29 13:31:38 I worry that it might just be a sketchy driver :/ May 29 13:34:09 ? May 29 13:34:59 I mean: I wonder if the camera driver is to blame May 29 13:35:20 Which of these emulators offers the best performance? ATARI 2600 - Stella, Amiga - UAE, IBM PC - DOSBox, Commodore 64 - Frodo, PalmOS - POSE, Sega Genesis - DGen, SNES - Snes9x, Playstation 1 - PCSX, Nintendo DS - Desmume, Apple][- itApple May 29 13:35:44 garnetvm May 29 13:36:08 well, video internet calls work fine May 29 13:36:24 perhaps the camera app polls too often May 29 13:36:31 unixSnob: wouldn't think that the simplest May 29 13:36:34 err May 29 13:36:34 *yawn* May 29 13:36:35 would think May 29 13:36:39 heh, I should have excluded palm from that list, since I know there is no Ada compiler for ARM May 29 13:36:46 So, gentlemen, how are things? May 29 13:36:56 no ada compiler for arm?? May 29 13:37:04 unixSnob, basilisk looks nice for mac os classic May 29 13:37:04 glass: correct May 29 13:37:20 unixSnob: Why do you need an Ada compiler again? May 29 13:37:26 glass: there is a commercial one, but it's not ported to maemo May 29 13:37:34 johnx: thanks.. I'll look into it May 29 13:37:49 unixSnob: ah. i expected there to have been one because of where ada seems to usually(only) used with.. May 29 13:37:58 RST38h: That's the language for which I am the most proficient May 29 13:38:05 that's still the oddest thing to me...there's an ada compiler for every other architecture that debian supports it seems May 29 13:38:20 unixSnob: umgh May 29 13:38:29 You want to use it on a tablet? May 29 13:38:51 well there is gnat for x86/linux, but not arm/linux. May 29 13:39:08 Ada has a very robust and complicated runtime system, so it's not at all simple to port to another processor May 29 13:39:29 RST38h: the n800 is my target May 29 13:39:54 unixSnob: Why not use gnat? May 29 13:40:03 If gcc crosscompiler exists, why not gnat? May 29 13:40:15 gnat cannot compile ada code for the arm processor May 29 13:41:36 why not take this opportunity to expand your horizons and learn python? May 29 13:42:25 wouldn't you need to do all kinds of hooks to c anyways May 29 13:42:39 depending on what you want to do anyways May 29 13:42:43 johnx: I'm looking to increase proficiency in the language I know best.. I still have some things to learn about Ada. May 29 13:42:53 fair enough May 29 13:43:02 > arm-rtems4.7 does build C, C++, and Ada on the gcc SVN head. I have May 29 13:43:03 > done no testing beyond that. May 29 13:43:05 I'd rather be a master of one trade than a jack of all trades May 29 13:43:19 * johnx follows the opposite path May 29 13:43:27 huhu olpc will run under windows now ? it s a joke ? May 29 13:43:28 not being ok in something doesn't mean you couldn't be great in something May 29 13:43:36 glass: yes, I know multilingual programming.. as an Adaist, I'm accustomed to interfacing with C libs May 29 13:43:51 http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/20788/ May 29 13:43:53 i use whatever is available May 29 13:44:00 Dead_K_n810, nope, not a joke. Also, old news. May 29 13:44:30 10 days ago only ? May 29 13:44:34 Dead_K_n810: unfortunately it's real May 29 13:44:39 10 days is old May 29 13:44:52 RST38h: ok, gnat will compile ada code for the arm processor, but it's missing the runtime library, so it cannot function May 29 13:44:55 why "unfortunately" though? The whole OLPC project is a sham anyway May 29 13:45:11 unix: Why can't you compile the aruntime library too? May 29 13:45:14 The runtime library is crucial May 29 13:45:56 RST38h: there is no ada runtime library that builds for the arm May 29 13:46:09 * RST38h is more interested to know what will happen to HP, DELL, etc when customers start switching to super-cheap underpowered Chinese subnotebooks May 29 13:46:11 RST38h > yes ... but as i read news on my n810 ... look at the nick May 29 13:46:14 <-- May 29 13:46:22 All of these (ASUS EE, etc) run Windows! =) May 29 13:46:25 RST38h, hp and dell are in the game too May 29 13:46:26 This is a common complaint in #ada.. folks come in there looking for an ada compiler for arm May 29 13:46:55 johnx: The only problem is that their overhead is higher so they won;t be able to compete at such low margins May 29 13:47:16 hp and dell will make mini notebook too ... May 29 13:47:24 RST38h, well, it's the same as it's always been, just a different form factor / price point May 29 13:47:35 i more interested by how apple will don't make one May 29 13:47:38 $200..$400 is a seriously low price for a notebook May 29 13:48:12 Apple will not, they don't need to May 29 13:48:17 :) May 29 13:48:22 They are not in a price war with anybody May 29 13:48:38 the next couple years of portable hardware should be pretty interesting :) May 29 13:48:41 from my point of view ... it s the problem May 29 13:49:12 i ll like to see an nit like by apple without all this stupid apple limitations :) May 29 13:49:23 iPad? =) May 29 13:49:27 (no interpreted language on iPhone ... so no Python) May 29 13:49:30 ipod touch May 29 13:49:30 in the Star Trek style? =) May 29 13:49:39 ipod touch sucks ... May 29 13:49:48 no bt May 29 13:50:03 Dead_K_n810: that's not apples vision or strategy.. they want exclusive control over as many elements as possible May 29 13:50:11 yes i know May 29 13:50:22 it s a shame May 29 13:50:27 so there's no way you'll get what you want from Apple May 29 13:50:28 Apple only gives in to openness when there's really compelling business needs to May 29 13:50:35 as their os, product and api is really good May 29 13:50:48 Dead_K_n810, looked at gnustep? May 29 13:50:54 i like obj-c May 29 13:51:13 gobjc is recently packaged for debian/armel May 29 13:51:31 Dead_K_n810: The real shame is that gnu and open source land must now compete w/ M$ for 3rd world users and developers May 29 13:52:14 Is there a linux/x86 emulator for the NIT? May 29 13:52:16 unixSnob > i know gnustep ... but evolution of the framework is slow ... May 29 13:52:17 In soviet russia you compete with 3rd world users for M$ May 29 13:52:19 erm... May 29 13:52:31 :D May 29 13:53:31 * unixSnob wonders if qemu runs on arm May 29 13:53:47 http://www.geocities.com/david_charles_curran/how_to_prepare_kiwi.gif May 29 13:53:52 lol May 29 13:54:06 http://www.gnustep.org/images/GNUMail.jpg May 29 13:54:50 * johnx installs gnumail on his zaurus May 29 13:55:34 * qwerty12-N800 will take diablo's modest over that May 29 13:55:58 I would too, but I'm running into weird problems with sapwood on armv5te May 29 13:55:59 * Dead_K_n810 can't launch PyneForMaemo ... May 29 13:56:03 I have other reasons to choose Ada.. it's not just a matter of proficiency. Ada is the best way to create a quality product. It has more protective features than any other language May 29 13:56:23 unixSnob > hum ... try obj-c :) May 29 13:56:26 or prolog ... May 29 13:56:28 ;) May 29 13:56:48 Dead_K_n810: that's the opposite extreme May 29 13:57:09 I would try it for amusement only May 29 13:57:45 Ada is a language designed by a committee May 29 13:58:04 that's a myth May 29 13:58:07 And designed in such a complex way that no compiler was available for it for quite some time May 29 13:58:15 Not designed by committee May 29 13:58:18 ? May 29 13:58:53 RST38h: correct, the compiler is an order of magnitude more complex than a C compiler - glad I'm not writing the compiler! May 29 13:59:39 I don't know how it was designed.. I just recall reading in a wiki that the "committee" claim was a myth May 29 14:00:06 hi - is thread local storage broken on maemo or is there some trick to making it work? May 29 14:00:25 if i remember it was designed by the company CII Honeywell Bull May 29 14:00:57 I suppose it wouldn't matter to me if Ada were the work of a committee. I'm more concerned with the ends than the means May 29 14:01:16 and mainly by Jean David Ichbiah May 29 14:01:59 it was designed by french ... now i understand why it s so .... hum .. .nothing :) May 29 14:02:16 configure reports that __thread works, but I get an assembler error message when I actually try to use it May 29 14:02:34 unixSnob > u should try goto++ :) May 29 14:03:14 what's that? is that a language? May 29 14:04:25 * dhd upgrades his scratchbox, maybe this will help May 29 14:04:58 unixSnob > yes it is :) May 29 14:06:07 mgedmin810: any more N810 interestingness? May 29 14:06:12 s/N810/LinuxTag/ May 29 14:06:12 Jaffa meant: mgedmin810: any more LinuxTag interestingness? May 29 14:06:50 Sounds about as amusingly reliable as C May 29 14:06:52 only geeks here May 29 14:07:08 lol xfce compositing is painful hehe May 29 14:07:29 freelikegnu, heh...I haven't even tried it May 29 14:07:42 I was surprised it even worked May 29 14:10:27 oh, okay, __thread works, it just triggers obscure compiler bugs May 29 14:10:29 blah May 29 14:10:32 check the website. we only have 10 days left May 29 14:15:06 Jaffa: not really May 29 14:15:29 saw the wimax edition in real life May 29 14:15:40 it has a hump on its back May 29 14:15:51 kinda like the n800 May 29 14:15:58 but smaller May 29 14:16:10 and more rectangular May 29 14:16:26 were they demoing that actual wimax inet service? May 29 14:16:52 no May 29 14:17:16 this was not a presentation May 29 14:17:31 ah, just a nokia guy who had a tablet? May 29 14:17:36 qgil May 29 14:17:41 ah May 29 14:20:25 mgedmin810/X-Fade_/lcuk/keesj: any explanation of D -> F jump? Breaks my 'ord(E) == 5 == maemo 5.x' theory May 29 14:24:01 qgil answered that, but I'm not sure I understood May 29 14:24:14 seems like they just felt like it May 29 14:24:29 and names don't really matter May 29 14:24:36 * mgedmin810 shrugs May 29 14:28:05 http://esolangs.org/wiki/GOTO_plus_plus May 29 14:28:23 gotogoto() Label1 25 May 29 14:28:50 will sometime jump to Label1 (25%chance to jump) May 29 14:31:53 * qwerty12-N800 thinks best langs are brain**** & lolcode May 29 14:33:02 Jaffa: That release was skipped and Fremantle was put forward. May 29 14:33:36 Keep in mind that codenames are just that. They don't have an actual meaning. May 29 14:34:33 qwerty12-N800, malbolge sound better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge May 29 14:34:39 *sounds May 29 14:35:17 http://esolangs.org/wiki/TwoDucks May 29 14:35:55 johnx, hehe it does but you cant beat the name of brain**** :p May 29 14:36:13 true enough May 29 14:36:34 DuckTwo is nice too :) May 29 14:36:43 TwoDucks :) May 29 14:36:57 Late welcome, sjgadsby. Glad to see you made it. ;) May 29 14:37:04 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Whitespace May 29 14:37:17 like it too ! May 29 14:37:45 whitespace language with syntax hilight : http://esolangs.org/w/images/3/3c/Whitespace_in_vim2.png May 29 14:39:00 X-Fade_: so is fremantle maemo 5 or 6? and is the expected leap in functionality what's made the name jump, or really was it just "we don't like the name elephanta and there's no other e-wind to choose from"? May 29 14:39:36 Fremantle seems to follow Elephanta if you go by letter order May 29 14:40:07 Jaffa: Fremantle has just other goals than the skipped Elephanta. May 29 14:40:33 X-Fade: Wait, do you mean we are not getting Elephanta? May 29 14:40:50 X-Fade_: right, ok - that makes sense. So elephanta's been canned - but was a planned release with some planned deliverables - and fremantle has been brought forward - possibly with a reduction in scope. May 29 14:40:56 Fremantle will have QT4 support by using the community based QT4. May 29 14:41:10 woo! May 29 14:41:12 the one from qt4.garage.maemo.org. May 29 14:41:17 Etesien - Wind coming from nord east of grece ! May 29 14:41:24 Ah May 29 14:41:34 and a coffee maker?! tell me the coffee maker didn't get cut... May 29 14:41:54 Dead_K_n810, s/east/est ;p May 29 14:41:56 <||cw> johnx: it did May 29 14:42:01 * johnx kries May 29 14:42:09 Harmattan will have full QT4 support by Nokia. May 29 14:42:21 Will gtk be dropped? May 29 14:42:24 <||cw> something about not enough room for the grinder May 29 14:42:28 :) thx qwerty May 29 14:42:45 Ouch ! I hope GTK will still be here May 29 14:43:04 Heh, one of the little bits of french that i do know :) May 29 14:43:26 and i hope that GTK and QT4 will not be too fat to enter in memory of the actual nit May 29 14:43:41 GTK+ and QT4 will live side by side. May 29 14:43:58 As far as I can see now. May 29 14:44:15 yes but / size isn't infinite :) May 29 14:44:42 Yeah, but it isn't going to run FULL KDE ;) May 29 14:45:08 X-Fade_ > I HOPE ! i ve choose the nit for gtk :) May 29 14:45:12 and their ui May 29 14:45:13 :) May 29 14:45:29 gtk/hildon won't go away. May 29 14:45:46 Dead_K_n810: You won't be disappointed with the upcoming releases. May 29 14:45:46 It's backed by Ubuntu and *Intel* now, AFAICT May 29 14:46:36 debian wpa works on ttls-pap perfectly May 29 14:46:43 :D May 29 14:46:56 X-Fade_ > hum ... don't know ... because their is more better developper than me ... and they ll make my apps look ... worse :) May 29 14:47:18 Intel does not back iy May 29 14:47:20 it May 29 14:47:33 I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, but ran into errors May 29 14:47:33 adding qt beside gtk will bring more and more people to use the nit :) May 29 14:47:35 RST38h, moblin? May 29 14:48:00 johnx: in moblin intel makes use of hildon but does not actively support it May 29 14:48:09 X-Fade_ > does their is a plan to support n810 until 2012 ? May 29 14:48:22 :) May 29 14:48:26 RST38h, but they have an *interest* in its continued existence is what I was trying to say May 29 14:48:36 kind of May 29 14:48:47 Dead_K_n810: They haven't even released the Wimax tablet yet. And that hardware is basically the same so.. May 29 14:48:56 they can branch or replace it any moment May 29 14:49:09 You get more product life for free. May 29 14:49:17 lol ... i was kidding ... but ... it s seems it s near May 29 14:49:24 RST38h, yeah...but on their own site they tell you to use hildon to port your apps to moblin... May 29 14:49:26 :) May 29 14:50:52 pffff ... first day without my nit ... and i already count days... May 29 14:51:18 someone have try mCalendar ? May 29 14:51:43 yup May 29 14:51:56 it doesn't seem to find my subscribed ical calendars from google calendar May 29 14:52:18 for example I'm subscribed to a list of public holidays in google cal and mcalendar doesn't pull those down May 29 14:52:19 at this time it s sync only the default calendar .... May 29 14:52:25 ah, fair enough May 29 14:52:34 I'll definitely be watching it :) May 29 14:53:03 it s mainly to be able to duplicate your default calendar to backup it :) May 29 14:53:29 so if there is a problem you have a backup :) May 29 14:54:02 and what do you think about the gUi ? May 29 14:54:18 using large button to be able to use it with finger only ? May 29 14:54:35 woot bt kb working May 29 14:54:52 seems nice May 29 14:55:17 I don't have anything actually scheduled in google calendar because up until now it was too slow to use on my mobile devices :P May 29 14:55:21 I had to pair via command line because gui is to big May 29 14:56:44 johnx > the first sync can be slow ... May 29 14:57:04 and timeout don't seems to be configurable in gdata May 29 14:57:49 ah, I didn't mean in mcalendar...I meant that before mcal, using gcal through a browser on my n8x0 took too much time May 29 14:58:03 http://sam.zoy.org/monsterz/ May 29 14:58:44 Johnx > for me too ... mainly because i'm often offline ... :) May 29 14:59:02 http://sam.zoy.org/monsterz/ -> in python so it ll be easilly portable ... May 29 14:59:18 once my n810 come back ... i ll do that :) May 29 15:01:57 OK, Fremantle == OS2009 or OS2008.x? May 29 15:03:04 GAN8002: That is not know at the moment. I guess that also depends on when we see Diablo released. May 29 15:03:18 And they won't tell me that ;) May 29 15:03:23 Ha May 29 15:04:18 X-Fade, ask harder May 29 15:04:30 Hold a gun May 29 15:04:34 Ha May 29 15:04:42 Hit them with a large stick and ask again. May 29 15:04:58 But there are for sure coming some really kick ass things in the future. May 29 15:04:59 s/stick/frozen trout/g May 29 15:05:22 * GAN8002 needs specifics so he can update the gossip on the wikipedia article. May 29 15:05:42 GAN8002, I have it confirmed: no coffee maker included :/ May 29 15:05:48 DAMN! May 29 15:05:49 or so we were assured May 29 15:05:52 * GAN8002 drinks tea, anyway. May 29 15:05:53 That is why it is called gossip right? Just guess and see if you are right :) May 29 15:06:26 X-Fade_, I need some ITOS versions to hang my web of lies around. :D May 29 15:06:34 ahaha May 29 15:06:46 johnx: so i hear you're in .jp? May 29 15:06:56 timeless, it appears so :) May 29 15:07:21 GAN8002: Well, it looks like Diablo will be out this year. And I don't know anything about planning in the future, but you can see historical release schedules. May 29 15:07:23 i'm considering visiting .jp and points around in july May 29 15:07:34 although i'm running out of time and may abandon my efforts May 29 15:07:51 I'm certainly HOPING Diablo will be out this year. :P May 29 15:08:04 If not, beta works for me :p May 29 15:08:19 timeless, it's definitely worth it if you haven't been before May 29 15:08:31 though I hope you like heat and humidity O_o May 29 15:08:46 I plan on going, my cousin moved over there :) May 29 15:09:19 great. come at the same time as timeless and we can have a meetup at akihabara :D May 29 15:09:41 * qwerty12 googles akihabara :) May 29 15:10:03 ooh nice, but alas., it will be years before I go :D May 29 15:10:12 ah, sad :/ May 29 15:10:22 X-Fade_, can I at least conclude that Elephanta has been dropped from the immediate timeline? May 29 15:11:02 GAN8002: It seems so. You could have know about fremantle already btw. You were slow ;) May 29 15:11:22 * GAN8002 starts poking X-Fade_ with a sharpened stick. May 29 15:11:26 Take it back. :P May 29 15:12:23 X-Fade_ isn't evidently in pain. May 29 15:12:24 :p May 29 15:12:45 Nah, the stick wasn't long enough. May 29 15:12:51 Judging by the Qt plans, I'd be inclined to call Fremantle OS2008 and Harmattan OS2009 May 29 15:13:17 but then you toss hardware releases and the dates for Qt mentioned in announcements in there and I dunno. May 29 15:13:20 GAN8002, ever the optimist... May 29 15:13:27 But will the entire interface in Harmattan get replaced with QT? May 29 15:13:35 No, qwerty12. May 29 15:13:39 Read the slides. :P May 29 15:13:43 http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-linuxtag-update May 29 15:13:51 ah...slides May 29 15:13:53 * johnx reads May 29 15:13:54 Can't be bothered but seeing as you posted, thanks May 29 15:14:14 no coffee maker...but roller coaster instead! I'm in! May 29 15:14:25 OK, updated the CodeNames page on the wiki. May 29 15:14:30 Ha May 29 15:14:46 You heard it here first, folks! May 29 15:15:00 If Quim doesn't give us all rollercoasters, I'm buying an iPhone! May 29 15:15:01 Actually, I heard it from X-Fade_ in the mornign :p May 29 15:15:17 an iPhone!?!?! :O May 29 15:15:36 Yes, and I'm not jailbreaking it, either. :D May 29 15:16:08 hehe May 29 15:16:08 yeah, right ;) May 29 15:16:31 Hehe, I thought the Harmattan pic in the slide reminded me of a Mosque. May 29 15:16:58 <_< May 29 15:17:17 Yeah, well I'm not religious :P May 29 15:17:31 Neither am I, that's no excuse. :P May 29 15:19:53 is pupnik around? May 29 15:20:08 pupnik810 <- apparently May 29 15:20:10 well, he just connected as pupnik810 :p May 29 15:20:15 He is sitting 4 seats away from me. May 29 15:20:20 oh May 29 15:20:24 Throw things at him, X-Fade_! May 29 15:20:30 are you at some conventions? May 29 15:20:37 -s May 29 15:21:08 LinuxTag where they spray paint walls with Linux and dere tags May 29 15:21:21 oh May 29 15:21:34 well he probably doesn't feel like doing any support then May 29 15:21:47 i thought linux tag was over May 29 15:21:57 OVER!?! :O May 29 15:22:09 i mean it's tag May 29 15:22:14 day May 29 15:22:17 It's not over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! May 29 15:22:18 No lardman is talking now.. May 29 15:22:19 thought it was one day May 29 15:22:45 Hi, guenther. May 29 15:23:14 Hi General. :) May 29 15:23:27 anyone got amiga - uae to work on n800? May 29 15:24:24 Omg, "projects/haf/trunk/hildon-input-method/ChangeLog: use "en_US" as default language. (part fixes for NB#85987)" May 29 15:24:26 * GAN8002 kills a clone. May 29 15:24:28 * qwerty12 goes and cries May 29 15:24:32 <_berto_> dunno but zx spectrum emulator is slow, so imagine ... May 29 15:27:55 desmume is slow too, correct? May 29 15:28:13 1000% yes May 29 15:28:18 :/ May 29 15:28:34 isn't it pretty slow on a fast desktop machine? May 29 15:29:15 * qwerty12 ubuntu is saying that new firefox-3.0 update is available. it better be more stable. it's a POS atm May 29 15:29:17 Amiga Amstrad CPC Atari 2600 Atari 800 Atari Lynx Atari ST Colecovision Commodore 64 Game Boy MSX NDS NES/Famicom PC PSP Sega SC-3000 SNES Vic-20 ZX Spectrum May 29 15:29:29 any of those work ok on maemo? May 29 15:29:46 MSX of the top of my head does thanks to RST38h May 29 15:30:33 with sound? May 29 15:30:44 no idea May 29 15:31:20 * qwerty12 doesn't like the sound in old games anyway, i think it sucks. I just put on some of my RnB in canola meanwhile May 29 15:31:32 * johnx shakes his head May 29 15:32:26 i don't really want it for games May 29 15:32:31 for sound apps May 29 15:32:44 even tho zelda did eat up most of my day yesterday / May 29 15:32:47 :/ May 29 15:32:55 :) May 29 15:33:19 Imo old game sounds are Freaking Awesome! May 29 15:33:40 my dog likes them May 29 15:33:49 he was sniffing the tablet yesterday May 29 15:34:23 i have 000s of old game tunes on nokia May 29 15:34:40 pupnik810, buffer overflow? May 29 15:34:46 I ordered a n810 a couple of days ago May 29 15:34:50 it shipped today May 29 15:34:56 .mod? May 29 15:35:01 is there a mod player? May 29 15:35:07 mod, sid May 29 15:35:11 yes May 29 15:35:17 used, but in good condition from amazon for $339 with a 30 day no question return policy May 29 15:35:40 Proteous, hope it works out well for you. a worthy upgrade from a 770 :/ May 29 15:35:47 yeah May 29 15:35:52 we'll see May 29 15:36:01 dneary, how'd the wiki sprints go? May 29 15:36:19 GAN800: We didn't do it (yet?) May 29 15:36:29 Taking minutes? May 29 15:36:32 I'm hoping to get a few people together tomorrow morning, maybe May 29 15:36:34 Maybe later May 29 15:36:39 (if you do) May 29 15:36:43 We've been in pretty cool presentations all day May 29 15:37:05 Yeah, I've been the recorder :) May 29 15:38:13 Do you have any suggestions for things that Nokia should be doing which I can ask for you? May 29 15:38:23 Anyone from the maemo track here? ;) May 29 15:38:49 <_berto_> i'm in berlin till sunday morning May 29 15:38:50 qt May 29 15:38:57 put in better video hardware and some buttons, I want to game on my tablet May 29 15:39:11 i want music apps, need qt May 29 15:39:15 n800m: The QT question's been asked 3 or 4 times today May 29 15:39:18 Ask them to get A2DP support in Diablo. I think A2DP's one of the most voted bugs on bugzilla. May 29 15:39:33 QT is already available for the table as a community-provided package May 29 15:40:20 It will be integrated fully into the platform in the release after Fremantle (starts with H, I don't know what it's called exactly) May 29 15:40:30 Harmattan May 29 15:40:32 sweet May 29 15:40:37 that's it May 29 15:40:39 forgot the name May 29 15:40:48 Hehe, I just scrolled up in X-Chat May 29 15:40:52 n800m: Of course, GTK+ will also be on Harmattan May 29 15:41:07 that's kind of a long way off isn't it May 29 15:41:12 heh May 29 15:41:27 not if you consider the age of the earth May 29 15:41:27 n800m: Yes, I'm happy about that myself ;) May 29 15:41:34 i guess it's good they have long term plans May 29 15:41:45 dneary, I'd like some clarification as to whether Fremantle corresponds to OS2008.x or OS2009. May 29 15:41:58 GAN800: I'll ask. May 29 15:42:00 OS2030 more like it May 29 15:42:29 GAN800: Although it's not related to the current discussion that's on right now May 29 15:42:34 Just for Proteous. :P Everybody else gets it tomorrow. :D May 29 15:42:38 lol May 29 15:42:40 * Proteous cries May 29 15:42:48 Current discussion is "what isn't open that we need, and why?" May 29 15:43:01 tablet-browser! May 29 15:43:10 Why isn't browser-ui open. May 29 15:43:12 we want webkit May 29 15:43:14 Power management, GL, wifi binary blob, various applications, ... May 29 15:43:26 what about EP-TTLS May 29 15:43:30 GAN800: Isn't microb open? May 29 15:43:36 and NTP-LLESTD May 29 15:43:42 Will the BB5 platform be used in the next tablet after WiMax? May 29 15:43:46 MicroB yes, tablet-browser-ui no May 29 15:43:49 dneary: most folks think flash is a critical must-have closed source app May 29 15:43:59 * gnuSnob would like to see flash replaced with gnash May 29 15:44:06 * qwerty12 wouldn't May 29 15:44:08 dneary opened the floodgates May 29 15:44:10 Proteous, WebKit is in Extras. May 29 15:44:17 * Proteous wants silverlight support May 29 15:44:23 gnuSnob: We gave Rob an N800 to get gnash available on OS2008 May 29 15:44:26 * Proteous is just kidding May 29 15:44:34 You just need to find a non-shitty gui. May 29 15:44:36 dneary: nice May 29 15:44:41 that's the fun part May 29 15:44:42 EAP-TTLS is sort of widely used in institutions May 29 15:44:42 flash is so lousy May 29 15:44:43 gnuSnob: But Nokia have to ship Adobe Flash by default. May 29 15:44:53 Flash sites Must Work May 29 15:45:02 I'm not particularly happy about it either May 29 15:45:09 dneary: flash sites don't work though, because of all the version issues May 29 15:45:19 OK, hold on a second May 29 15:45:25 I'll ask a couple of questions May 29 15:45:28 Eg. go to bbc news. Most of the flash content is incompatible May 29 15:45:30 Hehe May 29 15:46:10 morning May 29 15:46:19 the flash viewer is not compatible with old content, and new content is not compatible with old viewers.. it's amazing that flash survives May 29 15:46:21 gnuSnob, Flash is updated in Diablo. May 29 15:46:25 GAN800, good catch there. I wasn't watching xchat... May 29 15:46:25 What's BB5? May 29 15:46:36 I'm trying to figure out the good question to ask live May 29 15:46:48 You don't want to ask my question then :/ May 29 15:46:50 Most of the questiopns should be asked on a mailing list, or in the brainstorm May 29 15:46:58 Or in the Questions for Nokia page May 29 15:47:24 Requests to open things need to be accompanied by justifications - "I need X to be open because I want to do Y" May 29 15:47:24 GAN800 - my version of maemo is just a couple months old at most. why am I out of date w/ flash already? Can I update just flash alone? May 29 15:47:35 You can do, if you know diablo password May 29 15:47:48 qwerty12: What question would you ask, if you were here right now? May 29 15:48:14 WHY NO FREE CANDY?! May 29 15:48:16 dneary, No idea May 29 15:48:19 :/ May 29 15:48:31 see, I was trying to work out what to ask on your behalf here :) May 29 15:48:43 My question would be along the lines of dsme, bme... May 29 15:48:45 :) May 29 15:48:46 tablet-browser! :D May 29 15:48:48 dneary: are you working for nokia? May 29 15:48:56 gnuSnob: No May 29 15:49:00 Well, kind of May 29 15:49:33 I'm contracting for them, but my role is to serve the community & make sure that the community has what it needs in terms of infrastructure & organisation for documentation May 29 15:49:42 Alright, "Why isn't the whole tablet-browser stack open, when it seems that more eyes on the code would really help?" May 29 15:49:47 Most of the platform stuff is being hit on, I'm sure. May 29 15:50:05 Also will browserd be open? May 29 15:50:07 my secondary interest in tablet-browser is using it on other platforms that are hildon-based May 29 15:50:15 right now, it's "what does the community expect from Nokia, what should the community be doing that they're not?" May 29 15:50:23 infrastructure? May 29 15:50:28 sound apps May 29 15:50:42 From a feature point of view, OpenGL, PowerVR support and A2DP May 29 15:50:45 Community expects strong infrastructure May 29 15:50:50 repos that are always up May 29 15:50:53 ALWAYS May 29 15:50:57 no really May 29 15:50:58 We can't port/compile OpenGL apps if we don't have any OpenGL support May 29 15:50:59 ALWAYS May 29 15:51:04 penguinbait: Or just one extras repos May 29 15:51:13 That's been asked May 29 15:51:19 yeah what's with the duplicates May 29 15:51:24 qwerty12: I mean the VR documentation May 29 15:51:26 An Extras repo that's always up. May 29 15:51:33 ++ May 29 15:51:35 and a tablets-dev that doesn't go down whenever you actually need it. May 29 15:51:35 It's been asked (by Simon Pickering) May 29 15:51:41 Ah, thanks May 29 15:51:44 its for emphasis May 29 15:52:13 GAN8001: So much work has been put into the mind-reading functionality to take down the server just at the moment you want it most... May 29 15:52:13 maemo.org with upgrades May 29 15:52:15 It's too slow right now. May 29 15:52:29 dneary: infrastructure-wise, an Ada compiler would be nice. Personally I would be more motivated to develop maemo apps if I had a compiler May 29 15:52:44 dneary, I wondered what this giant bulge at the base of my skull was. . . . May 29 15:52:45 gnuSnob: Have you tried porting one? May 29 15:52:58 gnuSnob, Ada isn't "infrastructure" May 29 15:53:15 gnuSnob, I think Ada is outside the maemo scope... May 29 15:53:30 That's something you can take onto "community projects" May 29 15:53:40 s/take/tack/ May 29 15:53:40 GAN8001 meant: That's something you can tack onto "community projects" May 29 15:53:47 dneary: no, it's a large effort to port that ada runtime May 29 15:54:13 GAN8001: "infrastructure" can imply compilers - depends on your viewpoint May 29 15:54:15 and something that exactly ONE person that I know of would benefit from. ;) May 29 15:54:28 Not something I want Nokia investing valuable time on. May 29 15:54:34 gnuSnob: I don't mean to be rude, but so far this is the first time anyone has ever asked me for an Ada compiler May 29 15:55:48 Better to go on at the Ada guys to produce ARM compiler. May 29 15:56:17 Putting together the servers and bandwidth to back up *.maemo.org and tablets-dev is top on my list for "infrastructure" stuff May 29 15:56:20 the rest is just filler. May 29 15:56:42 NOOO May 29 15:56:51 YES!! May 29 15:56:59 Ezi now :P May 29 15:57:18 Running out of battery... May 29 15:57:27 sound apps! May 29 15:57:31 I will ask Niels about the infrastructure May 29 15:57:40 n800m: Like Vagalume? May 29 15:57:44 sound apps are more of a community thing May 29 15:57:46 n800m, that's squarely in the community court. ;) May 29 15:57:49 music making May 29 15:57:54 n800m: There are lots of community-packaged sound apps May 29 15:58:05 no there aren't May 29 15:58:12 Ah! You want Jack, Rosegarden, things like that? May 29 15:58:14 i've been looking for awhile May 29 15:58:23 jack'd be great May 29 15:58:46 i doubt that would happen tho May 29 15:58:55 n800m, community job. May 29 15:58:58 That's not a Nokia job May 29 15:59:00 n800m: That's a classic niche application that isn't worth the time of Nokia (no business case), but that a community developer could do May 29 15:59:01 :x May 29 15:59:07 and doesn't relate to infrastructure. May 29 15:59:20 You could port the music-making app from Sugar, maybe May 29 15:59:23 Doesn't even relate to the application side of what Nokia should do. May 29 15:59:33 I have to go! May 29 15:59:38 Bye May 29 15:59:40 :( May 29 15:59:44 dneary, thanks May 29 15:59:48 :/ thanks May 29 15:59:48 Steal a charger :p May 29 15:59:52 good luck May 29 16:00:14 Bye guys - please throw your ideas in the brainstorming pages linked to here: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html May 29 16:00:22 johnx: why would a compiler be outside maemo's scope? May 29 16:00:22 dneary: you're not being rude at all.. I'm glad it's been brought to your attention May 29 16:00:22 (finally) May 29 16:00:27 qwerty12: well there is an arm compiler, it's just incomplete on maemo. A commercial one has been completed for a different ARM platform May 29 16:00:29 finland had a great demo scene May 29 16:00:34 GAN8001: hang out in #ada.. every few days someone comes in there asking for gnat on arm, only to be told they're SOL May 29 16:00:47 That's not Nokia's problem. May 29 16:00:53 Ada is very clearly a niche product. May 29 16:01:21 and supporting it has zero appeal from a business standpoint from Nokia. May 29 16:01:36 s/from/for/2 May 29 16:01:38 hey you never know what des there are interested in May 29 16:01:41 devs May 29 16:01:51 most have a personal preference May 29 16:02:08 n800m, I can tell you it's not an Ada compiler. ;) May 29 16:02:23 i'm still on the sound app page May 29 16:02:34 Again, that's a community thing. May 29 16:02:44 and there are already community applications out there. May 29 16:02:55 no there aren't May 29 16:03:11 i mean i don't wanna be a jerk, i get it May 29 16:03:17 but still, there aren't May 29 16:03:18 heh...also, you really don't want Nokia writing a sound app for you... May 29 16:03:23 not that it's anyone;s problem May 29 16:03:28 heh true May 29 16:03:45 n800m, if you really want a sound app, then get to work! :D May 29 16:03:49 That's the beauty of open source. May 29 16:04:01 i was waiting for that :) May 29 16:04:14 GAN8001: both #ada and comp.lang.ada have proven otherwise May 29 16:04:35 If you _really_ think Nokia should bundle one, put up an enhancement request on bugzilla and see how many votes it gets. ;) May 29 16:04:50 good idea May 29 16:05:03 gnuSnob, from a consumer standpoint, having Ada support MAY sell about 6 tablets May 29 16:05:22 99.9999% of Nokia's consumer market could give two shits about an Ada compiler. May 29 16:05:23 errr...maybe. popcon on debian says 300 May 29 16:05:35 for gnat May 29 16:05:45 The return on investment for something like that is stupidly low. May 29 16:06:02 GAN8001: you're thinking only in terms of independant users.. not soldiers May 29 16:06:24 the contractors could just as well learn something that works on arm already May 29 16:06:25 Soldiers are using crappy handhelds running WM5/6 May 29 16:06:30 gnuSnob, the US military would have to be waaaay dumber than I give them credit for to put n8x0s out in the field May 29 16:06:36 ^ May 29 16:06:48 johnx: you'd be surprised what armies use "in field" May 29 16:06:54 An N-series device is the LAST thing you ever want in combat. :\ May 29 16:06:57 johnx: compared to what? what they're using now? May 29 16:07:02 http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6555/1210300064121rv8.jpg May 29 16:07:08 this is a fragile consumer device in both software and hardware May 29 16:07:14 but ada isn't really whats holding them .. May 29 16:07:29 johnx: sure, they would need a ruggedized version.. that's not a big deal May 29 16:07:53 but anyways, thats not nokias biz May 29 16:08:04 nokias biz is selling the soldiers the n810 or whatever for personal use May 29 16:08:39 gnuSnob, anyways, file an enhancement request. maybe you're right. only nokia knows for sure if it's a business they want to be in May 29 16:08:40 just because it can be used to hack into chinese government, is only an added bonus May 29 16:08:47 are you really interested in the business aspect of nokia tho? May 29 16:09:23 johnx: right.. nokia needs to have it on the table for consideration. From there economics will prevail May 29 16:09:34 exactly May 29 16:10:00 anyways, they'd probably say that some contractor could port a compiler/ or make it May 29 16:10:26 glass: right.. they could simply outsource the effort to adacore May 29 16:10:41 which would make sense only if they'd have a shitload of ada code they would think would be useful on the maemo May 29 16:10:52 (they= whoever would use it) May 29 16:11:41 If the army did use something nokia, it would be this: http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1085659718_sanlaM90.jpg. Shit weighs 3kg and the Finnish Army did use one of these. talk rude to a finnish soldier and they'll smack you in the face with one of those May 29 16:12:16 qwerty12: yeah the messaging things sucked bigtime in the army.. at least those that regular soldiers were trained with May 29 16:12:58 I think it's a good defence mechanism, if I saw a Finnish soldier with one of those in his hands and running towards me, I'd run off :D May 29 16:13:05 and it would work as shield :p May 29 16:13:12 hehe May 29 16:13:26 the radios themselfs were big mofos too May 29 16:13:57 I'm surprised the soldiers actually managed to move :/ May 29 16:13:59 I'd reach for an ibm model m and hope it holds up O_o May 29 16:14:50 itronix has a sweet little rugged: http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:MR-1 May 29 16:16:35 qwerty12: add some tank mines (a 10kg) to carry and.. May 29 16:16:45 qwerty12: i played myself into it-support May 29 16:16:53 whilst there May 29 16:18:01 Oh yeah, I just remembered going into army is compulsory in Finland for a while May 29 16:46:44 * Cymor is back (gone 37:48:26) May 29 16:53:28 penguinbait: are you around? May 29 16:54:38 * Cymor is away: back to work May 29 17:04:24 so... how do people clone their flash to SD? May 29 17:04:31 Doh. Arnhem remembrance is 19th Sept and I need to be there for Mrs Jaffa May 29 17:04:53 summatusmentis, with rsync or tar May 29 17:07:31 :o May 29 17:07:55 :o? May 29 17:08:07 :O May 29 17:08:11 :0 May 29 17:08:30 johnx: I see, is there a wiki page on it? May 29 17:08:34 ( )o( ) May 29 17:08:53 ( )OO( ) May 29 17:08:54 summatusmentis, I'm sure...but I don't remember right now May 29 17:09:00 alright May 29 17:09:02 thanks May 29 17:09:25 google clone root sd n800 May 29 17:09:47 just use the deb or tarball, its nice and fast May 29 17:09:50 will do May 29 17:10:05 penguinbait: the deb does't work May 29 17:10:22 yes May 29 17:10:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186776#post186776 May 29 17:10:58 tarball I put out yesterday, if you want to have ext3 or multiple boot from SD on the same card May 29 17:11:19 only two per card right now May 29 17:11:27 I download the 4.8MB of it, and application installer tells me it's corrupted May 29 17:11:41 I'll look at the tarball May 29 17:11:46 I really just want to try KDE :) May 29 17:11:47 try again? May 29 17:11:59 I've tried downloading the .deb like 4 times May 29 17:12:32 I have been having problems with my comcast account, its been down all morning, its back up now May 29 17:13:44 which deb? I will verify its good? install-tools.deb or install-tools-N810e.deb?? May 29 17:14:06 did you check application log? May 29 17:14:30 its says not installable, then the application log wont tell you anything May 29 17:15:48 install-tools.deb May 29 17:16:02 hi, how do I install ssh on a n810? my /etc/apt/sources.list file is empty May 29 17:16:08 I am downloading it right now, just a sec May 29 17:16:59 KwisatzHaderach, repository info is kept under: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list May 29 17:17:01 It doesn't use sources.list May 29 17:17:12 KwisatzHaderach, but click here for openssh: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh/ May 29 17:18:45 Both are working fine summatusmentis May 29 17:18:48 lol May 29 17:18:55 APT is too slow for autoremove May 29 17:18:58 s/slow/old/ May 29 17:18:59 Navi meant: APT is too old for autoremove May 29 17:24:17 penguinbait: that's really weird, I tried installing with the applcation manager, and with apt on the command line May 29 17:24:23 or rather, dpkg on the command line May 29 17:28:01 I can run the sapwood "gradient" demo on debian/armel armv5 and armv6, with different results May 29 17:28:37 Woo May 29 17:28:49 yeah...It's awesome May 29 17:29:01 Somebody needs to put up a wiki article for sapwood. May 29 17:29:46 Someone who understands it ;-) May 29 17:29:47 heh...it's not that interesting except when it doesn't work May 29 17:29:51 yeah, penguinbait, dpkg is telling me it's not a debian format archive May 29 17:30:13 summatusmentis / penguinbait, sounds like a job for md5sum! May 29 17:30:17 Jaffa, that someone definitely isn't me. :D May 29 17:30:43 * GAN8001 still needs to figure out what's going on with the Linux WikiProject so I can get a taskgroup going. May 29 17:31:19 johnx: it would, if I could find md5 for the n810 :) May 29 17:31:44 that would help :P May 29 17:31:46 just copy it over from sdk May 29 17:32:27 SAGE--: that assumes I have the sdk :) May 29 17:32:28 summatusmentis: what OS version? Could be you're using an older version of dpkg May 29 17:32:30 * summatusmentis == newb May 29 17:33:21 Jaffa: my n810 doesn't know... I upgraded according to GAN8001 May 29 17:33:34 51-3 May 29 17:33:37 Old NOLO May 29 17:33:47 lol, yeah, that :) May 29 17:33:55 Speaking of which, you should probably go ahead and flash NOLO and initfs May 29 17:34:09 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php May 29 17:34:20 will that screw things up? May 29 17:34:29 like, will it return to factory defautls? May 29 17:34:32 defaults* May 29 17:35:17 factory defaults = screwed up ?? May 29 17:35:29 hehe May 29 17:35:33 not screwed up, just removing everything I've gt May 29 17:35:34 got* May 29 17:36:37 * penguinb8 slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout May 29 17:36:49 Anybody know how to get an Ekiga.net account working with the OS 2008 sip client? May 29 17:37:11 GAN8001: what benefit does flashing NOLO and initfs do? May 29 17:37:12 Sorry, screwing around with NickServ May 29 17:37:14 No, summatusmentis. May 29 17:37:17 get me* May 29 17:37:22 You've got an old version of NOLO May 29 17:37:31 right May 29 17:37:35 and the initfs you have is for N800 May 29 17:37:39 right... May 29 17:38:05 The only settings are on initfs and that's only if you've flashed fanoush's initfs May 29 17:38:25 I'd still recommend flashing the N810 initfs and reflashing fanoush's if you've done that. May 29 17:38:37 havn't done fousnh's May 29 17:38:42 All of the user stuff otherwise is on rootfs May 29 17:39:15 So, grab the N810 firmware and do ./flasher-2.0 -F --flash-only=initfs May 29 17:39:19 and then: May 29 17:39:24 ./flasher-2.0 -F --flash-only=nolo -R May 29 17:39:59 oh, god, I forgot it was so big, it'll be a while :) May 29 17:40:14 Ha May 29 17:40:48 summ http://penguinbait.com/md5sum.gz May 29 17:43:54 Maybe this is a better question: Does anyone know of a free sip provider that works well with OS 2008? :) May 29 17:44:13 sipphone.com! May 29 17:44:22 Free as in speech. ;) May 29 17:45:02 perfect, thanks! May 29 17:45:40 nikosapi, I've been using it with rtcomm and GrandCentral for about 6 months now. May 29 17:45:46 With 3 tablets May 29 17:45:48 Works great. May 29 17:46:13 i've been using sipphone/gizmoproject.. rtcomm won't install for me May 29 17:46:27 rtcomm is bundled. May 29 17:47:01 penguinb8: ./md5sum: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected May 29 17:47:49 must be a recent change.. my version of chinook doesn't have rtcomm May 29 17:48:02 it has it ;) May 29 17:48:10 just not beta May 29 17:48:28 qwerty12-N800: what do you mean? May 29 17:48:50 It ships with rtcomm May 29 17:48:57 rtcomm isn't in the menu, and it's not available on the CLI May 29 17:48:59 The whole chat/sip/im framework is rtcomm May 29 17:49:06 Neither is MicroB May 29 17:49:08 rtcomm comes with itos by default, the beta adds more services May 29 17:49:14 But it ships with microb, too. :\ May 29 17:49:36 I've got several links to launch microb.. none for rtcomm May 29 17:49:42 No you don't May 29 17:49:54 You have several "links" to launch tablet-browser May 29 17:50:23 If you claim those "links" are launching MicroB, then Contacts, Internet Call, and Chat all launch rtcomm, too. May 29 17:50:28 the default browser uses microb May 29 17:50:37 uses, not is May 29 17:51:06 gnuSnob, rtcomm is the name of the included sip client aka "internet call" or somesuch May 29 17:51:27 i have "Internet call" May 29 17:51:30 it's the im framework in general May 29 17:51:37 john, communications framework, more accurately. :P May 29 17:51:41 * gnuSnob wishes these apps would have real names May 29 17:51:58 they do May 29 17:51:58 (that is, pronouns) May 29 17:52:29 there's a project name (rtcomm) that encompasses several discreet apps (internet call, contacts, IM) May 29 17:53:19 "internet call" is not a real name -- not unique enough to be useful. Try googling for it.. all kinds of crap comes up (and rightly so) May 29 17:53:29 try Nokia internet call ;> May 29 17:54:08 gnuSnob, it's a mobile platform May 29 17:54:18 What's your address book called on your S60 phone? May 29 17:54:24 Or your Palm? May 29 17:54:41 hmm, does the agps only work with the internal gps of the N810, or will it work with a external gps on a N800? May 29 17:54:48 nice analogy May 29 17:54:56 Internal of N810, t_s_o. May 29 17:55:09 figures... May 29 17:55:15 t_s_o, good external Bluetooth GPSes wouldn't really benefit from it. May 29 17:55:27 nah, it's the 10 million smokers can't be wrong argument May 29 17:55:28 t_s_o: I don't know if there's any means to provide the assistant data to the external GPSes.. May 29 17:55:38 gnuSnob: well, they can't May 29 17:55:46 just because they screwed it up on other platforms doesn't mean it's smart to do it on the nit May 29 17:55:52 The "A" is for shitty cellular GPS's that don't have decent antennas or chipsets. ;) May 29 17:55:54 they just aren't qualified to say if smoking is healthy May 29 17:56:08 so, gnuSnob what would you name it so that newbs would know what it was before clicking on it? May 29 17:56:12 gnuSnob, or people without a clue should sit down and be quiet. ;) May 29 17:56:23 and statistics say that they're less healthy than non-smokers May 29 17:56:27 (as a whole) May 29 17:56:34 <|penguinbait|> Sorry summ, I put up the wrong one May 29 17:56:37 ;) May 29 17:56:37 <|penguinbait|> try again May 29 17:56:41 <|penguinbait|> its working now May 29 17:56:44 heh May 29 17:56:49 GAN8001: nope, even the good ones benefits from the A. Of course the difference is much bigger with the lousy ones May 29 17:57:06 GAN8001: w/out a clue? you just used propaganda to support a meritless idea May 29 17:57:12 well, it's not enough to be useful for good GPS recvs. May 29 17:57:20 and not available in Europe anyway ;P May 29 17:58:50 ;) - reminds me of a pirate with a eyepatch and going arrrr May 29 17:59:05 yarrr mateys! May 29 18:05:51 * johnx sleeps, will deal with sapwood tomorrow May 29 18:06:01 'night, johnx. May 29 18:06:17 g'night May 29 18:18:14 Somebody with a handy 770 want to dump the version numbers from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php for me? May 29 18:18:26 Mine are elsewhere and I don't have a WLAN MAC handy. May 29 18:22:06 Anyone? ;_; May 29 18:22:28 n800 here May 29 18:22:36 n10 here :( May 29 18:22:41 n810* May 29 18:23:35 Well, you N810 owners can make yourselves useful by dumping the version list from the agreement page here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php :P May 29 18:23:57 agps-ui rocks! May 29 18:24:19 * GAN8002 is putting together a release history chart for wikipedia May 29 18:24:28 disq, stick a comment to that effect in the GPS bug? May 29 18:26:55 what's this for anyway May 29 18:27:08 sdk? May 29 18:27:16 Which, agps? May 29 18:27:28 no the software athetification page May 29 18:27:35 Oh May 29 18:27:35 +u May 29 18:27:37 Firmware May 29 18:27:48 If you're updating on Linux or OS X May 29 18:27:57 ohk May 29 18:28:17 GAN8002: in the gps bug? in bugzilla? May 29 18:28:31 well since they're working on the problem and it clearly works, why state it again May 29 18:28:47 GAN800: what does the version list contain? May 29 18:28:49 true May 29 18:28:53 list of all packages? May 29 18:28:55 ^ disq May 29 18:29:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 May 29 18:29:01 :) May 29 18:29:20 List of ITOS releases and their versions. May 29 18:30:08 does it check osso-software-version? May 29 18:30:09 disq, no real reason, I just figure it might hearten those 70 odd voters that things are looking to improve. ;) May 29 18:30:18 AStorm, does what check? May 29 18:30:27 the version list or something May 29 18:30:40 It's in the agreement on that page. May 29 18:30:44 my GPS is ok in speed if used often May 29 18:31:02 GAN800: it's not some version check May 29 18:31:03 It's just a plaintext list of the ITOS releases for that device. May 29 18:31:06 it's MAC check May 29 18:31:25 yes, I downloaded the former newest May 29 18:31:31 The MAC check is just to (legally) confirm you have the device May 29 18:31:37 unless there's been a release of diablo, I have one May 29 18:31:47 To fulfill licensing requirements May 29 18:32:00 I'm using the 1.2007.42-19 version of OS 2008 (third-to-last release), is it worth upgrading to the latest version? May 29 18:32:03 GAN800: yes, I do have the device. So why would I want to enter the MAC in the box? ;P May 29 18:32:08 100% yes, nikosapi May 29 18:32:10 nikosapi: if it works fine, no May 29 18:32:15 hehe May 29 18:32:17 There have been BIG improvements since then. May 29 18:32:23 GAN8002: no May 29 18:32:32 AStorm, I'm not really sure what your point is here. May 29 18:32:33 all attainable by software update in application manager May 29 18:32:38 so no need to flash May 29 18:32:40 * GAN8002 goes back to working on the release history tablet. May 29 18:32:46 everything except the kernel image May 29 18:32:58 Not MicroB, not the system stuff. May 29 18:33:00 (which has some minor fixes) May 29 18:33:00 oh, well that's good May 29 18:33:08 GAN8002: ah, right, microb May 29 18:33:15 but it didn't get any important updates May 29 18:33:25 maybe some minor fixes I didn't notice May 29 18:33:29 Nothing Nokia is upgradeable through Application manager yet May 29 18:33:32 Just "Map" May 29 18:33:39 and Map is not Nokia ;P May 29 18:33:39 nikosapi, yes, upgrade your device May 29 18:33:45 do you know where I can get a ChangeLog? May 29 18:33:45 It's contracted. May 29 18:34:40 nikosapi, release changelogs are usually either non-existent or non-helpful. May 29 18:35:04 heh, nice May 29 18:35:10 50-2/51-3 is a fairly meaningful bugfix upgrade over 42-19 May 29 18:35:21 I guess I'll backup and upgrade then May 29 18:36:05 <|penguinbait|> My wife is still runnnig 42-19 and never has any issues May 29 18:36:55 <|penguinbait|> Of course, myspace on the web, and battlegeweled are all she ever uses :) May 29 18:36:59 Skype wont install on 42-19 May 29 18:37:00 <|penguinbait|> oh and Dead Radio May 29 18:37:12 That will be reason enough for most people. May 29 18:37:25 pfff, who uses skype? May 29 18:37:26 <|penguinbait|> we use gtalk video messaging, so I would not have noticed May 29 18:37:27 :) May 29 18:37:37 Not I, nikosapi, not I. May 29 18:37:57 But the point still stands, 42-19 is old and 50-2/51-3 has a lot of bugfixes. May 29 18:38:05 GAN8002: well, skype works badly anyway May 29 18:38:10 not disagreeing with you May 29 18:38:13 too unoptimized audio codecs May 29 18:38:26 just stating 42-19 works good, if you dont need an upgrade May 29 18:38:27 thus it drops connection on even mild CPU usage May 29 18:39:01 anyone know if i can recover my bookmarks from firefox without starting it up? May 29 18:39:38 yes, from older versions easily May 29 18:39:41 <3.x May 29 18:39:43 is firefox useable? last I tried I pegged my cpu for 5 minutes? May 29 18:39:53 yeah i had 3, went back to 2 and now it's screwed May 29 18:39:54 in new ones, with some sqlite db client May 29 18:40:06 n800m: sure, new Firefox keeps stuff in sqlite dbs May 29 18:40:10 penguinb8: it is May 29 18:40:14 I mean, 3.x May 29 18:40:35 recent one, a major bug in plugins has been squashed (really old one, present in 2.x too) May 29 18:43:08 <||cw> penguinb8: what cpu? FF3 is better.... May 29 18:43:17 <||cw> er, .. May 29 18:43:39 cw? May 29 18:43:45 810? May 29 18:45:23 penguinb8: there's fx3 for n810? where? May 29 18:45:29 I know there's tablet-browser May 29 18:45:39 Minefield maemo May 29 18:45:48 Fennec, too May 29 18:45:51 Google for 'em May 29 18:52:40 flashing in progress... May 29 18:53:22 <---- closes eyes May 29 18:53:27 ;P May 29 18:53:32 <----- hates flashers May 29 18:53:57 You should really like SSU, then. May 29 18:54:53 * qwerty12_N800 really likes it. i've only had 1 failure and that's only because of my mods May 29 18:54:53 cool, it offers to restore your data :) May 29 18:55:47 yep May 29 18:55:52 which usually works May 29 18:56:08 sometimes :) May 29 18:58:58 * GAN8002 is constitutionally incapable of remembering Harmattan May 29 18:59:16 Indeed. A little obscure. "hurricane" might've been better :) May 29 18:59:24 It's a batty name anyway :/ May 29 18:59:44 Chinook and Diablo I can at least associate with other things May 29 18:59:55 Helicopter & devil, for example. May 29 19:00:11 Scirocco? ;P May 29 19:00:14 with a car? ;P May 29 19:00:41 According to my about, I'm running 666 (literally ;)) May 29 19:00:55 * Jaffa does like the look of the new Scirocco. Roll on September. May 29 19:01:08 qwertry: AGPS app finally out? May 29 19:01:14 yes May 29 19:01:24 i posted screenie May 29 19:01:35 Somebody here got a 770 they can use to login to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php? May 29 19:01:54 I lost my old paperwork with my number, sorry May 29 19:02:12 0019 something :) May 29 19:02:12 * Jaffa has it here, hang on May 29 19:02:25 can you use usb ethernet adapters with the tablets usb host? May 29 19:02:34 yes May 29 19:02:36 I just need a dump from the version list in the agreement May 29 19:02:46 thx May 29 19:03:08 GAN8002: http://pastebin.com/m37738a40 May 29 19:03:15 Thanks, Jaffa! May 29 19:03:42 <||cw> GAN800: i would, but I cna't find the _ May 29 19:03:58 Cptnodegard, get a realtek one and search on itt for usblan May 29 19:04:04 <||cw> ah there it is May 29 19:04:26 qwerty: Hurrah! May 29 19:04:30 others can be used but then you need to compile the modules May 29 19:05:00 RST38h, It's working brilliantly from what i've read May 29 19:05:17 thx qwerty12_N800 :=) May 29 19:06:23 qwerty: Can I just use it on OS2008 or does it require a new kernel? May 29 19:07:17 RST38h, in theory you can May 29 19:07:41 * RST38h is itching to try it May 29 19:07:42 you would need new gpsd and the agps-gui deps May 29 19:08:46 ummm May 29 19:08:47 RST38h: ditto. But I'm not trashing everything to install diablo May 29 19:09:10 Jaffa: I wonder whether this thing is localized enough to try it separately May 29 19:09:16 Back up your current install to SD, then flash a clean chinook onto the internal and upgrade from there. May 29 19:10:04 RST38h: indeed, I was wondering same. Don't want to break the GPS before I go to France next week - or before I need it over the weekend - so probably won't. If diablo's not out by end of June, I'll probably do it then May 29 19:10:29 if you have a linux comp, you can put a clean diablo or May 29 19:10:40 chinook straight onto a mmc ;) May 29 19:11:27 * RST38h has no clean MMC =) May 29 19:11:41 The only one I have (8GB) is the primary data storage May 29 19:11:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeneralAntilles/Sandbox May 29 19:11:48 Dates are mostly wrong May 29 19:11:55 missing the OS2006 beta release May 29 19:11:58 and the notes suck May 29 19:12:00 But it's a start May 29 19:12:07 GAN8002: I could get image dates from the 770 download page May 29 19:12:24 I was going to see about thoughtfix's timeline May 29 19:12:35 Just cause I can use that as an easy citation May 29 19:12:57 GAN8002: Ah, no dates on the file listing. May 29 19:14:32 Has anyone noticed that the HIM gets stuck sometimes with browser open? May 29 19:15:02 in diablo May 29 19:15:06 Ville Valo gets stuck? May 29 19:15:37 It's that demon you invited into your device, qwerty12_N800. :P May 29 19:15:50 heh May 29 19:16:20 guys, quick question, anyone here succeded to install pluthon on the n800? May 29 19:16:36 I did a long time back May 29 19:16:51 but now they've changed the packages May 29 19:17:01 I am dying on it :-( May 29 19:17:18 where should I post questions about it? May 29 19:17:33 I have got one unmet dependency (mount-full) which is killing me May 29 19:19:01 hi can i find nokia n810 in china for buy ?? i cant find it in dubai :-( May 29 19:20:47 qwerty, how do I get my 15year old to start programming? I know I first must convince him that computers do more that display porn May 29 19:21:31 penguin, but isn't that a lie? May 29 19:21:32 penguinb8: or is just for games May 29 19:21:41 give him programming assignments and then give him porn when he completes them May 29 19:21:48 Lol, tell him to write a program to crack porn sites :p May 29 19:21:55 give him a prono game, he would be in heaven May 29 19:22:09 penguinb8: does he likes games? :) there's quite quite basic things you could teach him... and then, if he get's excited about.. May 29 19:22:15 you don't need to worry too much anymore :) May 29 19:22:15 ehehe May 29 19:23:07 Bash scripting maybe, penguinb8? May 29 19:23:24 qwerty, is that how you started out? cracking porn sites :) May 29 19:23:39 penguinb8: if he's into math, a fun yet simple exercise is to calculate Pi May 29 19:24:14 your not listening, he's into lesbian porn May 29 19:24:19 Haha May 29 19:24:23 not sure Bash scripting will help :) May 29 19:24:28 penguinb8: does he know anything about coding? May 29 19:24:36 Incentive matters May 29 19:24:41 penguinb8, nah, I was into phone modding so I used to mess around with ida and a hex editor and then with my n800 I just like to run more progs on here :) May 29 19:24:43 hehe May 29 19:24:54 Mmh, first coding experiments brings back memories... May 29 19:25:00 Basic :x May 29 19:25:06 ah basic May 29 19:25:16 Get him a PS3 if he learns a language. May 29 19:25:17 <||cw> TI-BASIC May 29 19:25:19 basic on vic-20.. May 29 19:25:19 * Jaffa looks at the current state of 100 days & 2010 agenda and is not surprised at - what I'd guess - Reggie pushing ITTSS and users wanting things like "multi-touch screen" May 29 19:25:19 * qwerty12_N800 coded a program time ago to get into cmd May 29 19:25:24 I used to save my programs on a tape player May 29 19:25:31 fun to listen to May 29 19:25:45 I had a TI May 29 19:25:54 Reggie's a little pathetic with that whole itTSS thing. . . . May 29 19:26:01 GAN8001: aye May 29 19:26:04 penguinb8: not just you, I also used to do that May 29 19:26:08 * qwerty12_N800 listens to TI May 29 19:26:10 with C64 May 29 19:26:27 My first computer experience was an XT with 10MB hard disk and 2400baud hayes modem May 29 19:26:31 First it was the stunned disbelief, then it was the pity party, then the subversion of useful work. May 29 19:26:53 penguinb8: oh, a modem! May 29 19:27:02 I had to wait till 1995 to get one ;P May 29 19:27:16 or was it 1993 May 29 19:27:18 penguinb8: a hard drive? you started out easy! :P May 29 19:27:21 yeah, 1993 May 29 19:27:24 Jaffa, give me a link to the wiki pages, I'm stumbling all over my retarded self trying to find the linkgs right now. May 29 19:27:29 I used to dial UofM and dial out from there anywhere in the world at 1200baud May 29 19:27:32 woohoo May 29 19:27:37 GAN8001: hang on, half way through an edit... May 29 19:27:48 Nevermind May 29 19:27:49 penguinb8: you got INTERNETS! May 29 19:27:49 I had to punch holes in floppies just to eek out a couple kb May 29 19:27:52 Front page of itT May 29 19:27:57 oh, wait, no, it was CompuServe back then ;P May 29 19:27:59 Retard-mode idle! May 29 19:28:12 gnuSnob: wtf? May 29 19:28:22 these were for write protection afaicr May 29 19:28:31 sighhh, you old timers :p May 29 19:28:33 I mean, the cutouts May 29 19:28:38 Hehe, yeah, Jaffa: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days&diff=370&oldid=369 May 29 19:28:56 3.5 floppies would become usable has "high density" disks if they had an extra hole added May 29 19:29:13 Why are these idiots making hardware requests in the _MAEMO.ORG_ agenda May 29 19:29:30 gnuSnob: ah, these May 29 19:29:42 that hack usually wouldn't work May 29 19:29:50 you'd have to format the disk physically then too May 29 19:30:08 you mean 5.25 May 29 19:30:10 yeah, reformat.. it worked for a couple years May 29 19:30:11 floppies May 29 19:30:14 no, 3.5 May 29 19:30:20 the plastic ones May 29 19:30:21 GAN8001: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda May 29 19:30:35 well, same thing w/ the 5.25 disks, actually May 29 19:30:45 when then 1.4MB floppies came out I was so happy May 29 19:30:47 hahahahaha May 29 19:31:32 the theory was that the media in the double density disks came off the same assembly line May 29 19:31:42 gnuSnob: which is untrue May 29 19:31:43 by the time i had to use removable storage, we had usb flash drives ;) May 29 19:31:57 well, it worked, but I agree, there's a quality difference May 29 19:31:57 DD disks ended up being more expensive anyway ;P May 29 19:32:23 ~5 years later my DD disks that were "hacked" to HD started to get bad blocks May 29 19:32:53 5 years? it's hard to get a good enough CD-R to last that long ;P May 29 19:33:05 they're all crud nowadays May 29 19:33:16 May 29 19:33:31 it's hard to grab Tyan Ind. disks, which were great May 29 19:33:41 AStorm: sounds like you were getting ripped.. micro center sold floppies in bulks of like 300 disks, and the dd ones were cheaper (hence the reason they could sell the punchers) May 29 19:33:59 heh May 29 19:34:00 GAN: Reggie should finally fix that goddamned stylesheet at the iTT frontpage May 29 19:34:06 why would I need 300 disks? May 29 19:34:12 * Jaffa structures 2010_Agenda a bit better. May 29 19:34:17 And only THEN does he get a moral right to talk about software section =) May 29 19:34:33 * GAN8001 sighs in relief. May 29 19:34:37 So much better, Jaffa. May 29 19:34:46 taguapire May 29 19:34:49 No wonder it was a mess. May 29 19:37:17 what's the best way to kill and start the window manager? May 29 19:37:37 /usr/bin/matchbox-window-manager -theme default -use_ <= is that the process? May 29 19:37:48 Yes, that's the WM. May 29 19:37:55 Killing it will trigger an auto-reboot tho May 29 19:38:16 gnuSnob: so if you're going to kill it, disable the "lifeguard reset" using the command line Linux/OS X flasher or 0xfff May 29 19:38:22 Jaffa: no, it won't May 29 19:38:26 it will restart the WM May 29 19:38:30 just kill -HUP it May 29 19:38:32 :> May 29 19:38:42 hmm.. looks like astorm is right May 29 19:38:44 Jaffa, any ideas where we should push the discussion for this brainstorming? May 29 19:38:47 dsmetool reboots the n800 May 29 19:38:50 The mediawiki talk pages? May 29 19:38:56 qwerty12_N800: or not, depending on options May 29 19:39:01 it can just restart the app May 29 19:39:06 and it does so with matchbox May 29 19:39:13 ah May 29 19:39:27 it killed it and brought it back up.. but it didn't give me the statusbar clock I just installed May 29 19:39:32 I need to read the --help again May 29 19:39:34 maybe I need to enable that somehow May 29 19:39:50 gnuSnob: yes, in Control Panel/Panels May 29 19:40:05 gnuSnob, when killed, all 3rd party plug-ins are disabled May 29 19:40:11 yep May 29 19:40:18 which is horrible May 29 19:40:25 so killing that thing wasn't graceful? May 29 19:40:35 sending sigterm doesn't disable them tho May 29 19:40:37 Do I need to reboot to do it right then May 29 19:40:48 ah, should have used -HUP then May 29 19:45:12 I'm amused by the discussion page for 100Days. May 29 19:45:54 Ha May 29 19:46:03 People need to learn how to use talk pages May 29 19:46:21 no, they won't May 29 19:46:33 otherwise, there's be no wikipedia as we know it ;) May 29 19:46:37 *there'd May 29 19:46:57 maemo.org is so unbelievably slow May 29 19:47:40 It's good that that guy didn't login so we can't make fun of his stupidity, sjgadsby. ;) May 29 19:51:16 It turns out that the reason I couldn't see the statusbar clock was that the USB keyboard icon covers it May 29 19:51:52 err.. actually, pushes it into an overflow statusbar May 29 19:53:06 hehehe May 29 19:53:13 who needs an icon for that? May 29 19:53:33 btw, statusbar clock takes two icons May 29 19:53:34 good point.. removing it now May 29 19:55:01 also removed brightness and sound - since adv-backlight serves both w/ one icon May 29 19:55:43 yep, that applet is pure gold May 29 19:56:14 it could use an enlargement (no pun intended) of mute and -/+ buttons May 29 19:56:33 yeah, installed it yesterday.. already saved me from one retina burning May 29 19:56:53 Only the large statusbar clock does May 29 19:56:57 heh, if only we'd get a sunlight response daemon with it May 29 19:56:58 the small one is just one icon May 29 19:56:59 GAN8001: talk pages could be best way really May 29 19:57:14 one more configurable than the default May 29 19:57:22 AStorm: guess that would only help n810 users May 29 19:57:29 Oh FFS, more end-user crap in 2010_Agenda. May 29 19:57:32 no, why? May 29 19:57:34 n800 doesn't have a lightmeter May 29 19:57:38 n800 also has a sensor May 29 19:57:40 afaik May 29 19:57:48 hmm.. where is it? May 29 19:57:50 let's see May 29 19:58:21 n800 doesn't May 29 19:58:28 mhm May 29 19:58:34 no problem then May 29 19:58:35 it has temp sensor May 29 19:58:48 The light sensor was a "feature" of the n810 May 29 19:58:51 I'd still love adv.brightness with light sensor support May 29 19:58:58 Why did Reggie link it on the frontpage of itT? May 29 19:58:59 Johnny5: yeah, it's nice usually May 29 19:59:16 but the relation between light level and brightness is not configurable May 29 19:59:28 Which makes it useless IMO May 29 19:59:34 no, it is useful May 29 19:59:37 GAN8001, Agreed. it just invites n00bs. May 29 19:59:56 Somebody needs to put a boilerplate at the top to help focus things. May 29 20:00:05 "This page is for brainstorming related to maemo.org ONLY" May 29 20:00:10 * Jaffa will do. May 29 20:00:33 What, you want people to read now? May 29 20:00:37 I don't have my arsenal of wikipedia templates to throw around on the maemo wiki. :D May 29 20:01:12 * Johnny5 wonders what this "literacy" thing people keep talking about is... ;) May 29 20:01:13 sjgadsby, I'm an optimist. :P May 29 20:01:52 0.o May 29 20:02:18 An optometrist, too, you should probably do something about that eye, qwerty12_N800. :P May 29 20:02:29 Hehe May 29 20:02:56 w May 29 20:03:08 it was a smiley with a red-eye May 29 20:03:09 ;P May 29 20:03:17 Warnings added. Would be good to add in some kind of box like often seen at the top of Wikipedia articles May 29 20:03:40 I'll try to pull a template, Jaffa. May 29 20:04:25 GAN8001: ta May 29 20:05:38 So slooooow May 29 20:05:50 fasterrrrrr May 29 20:05:57 ddduuuurrrrr May 29 20:06:30 qwerty12_N800, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186996&postcount=15 May 29 20:06:31 reallyyyyyy May 29 20:06:46 Thanks May 29 20:06:57 should take more time to read May 29 20:07:13 I only changed three lines :P May 29 20:08:22 I ain't gonna waste time trying to find out the lines by myself :p May 29 20:09:02 They're at the top :P May 29 20:09:14 I'll apply it to the diablo ver tomorrow. May 29 20:09:23 The chunk of #defines and such May 29 20:09:30 I'm talking 'bout specifics May 29 20:09:39 Oh May 29 20:09:49 Ha May 29 20:09:56 everything those defines changes are scattered throughout the program May 29 20:10:00 really nasty stuff May 29 20:10:01 All of wikipedia's templates are composed of giant webs of other templates. May 29 20:11:20 Waiting to see if meanwhile/Umptious shows up on the maemo wiki. May 29 20:11:30 Haha May 29 20:12:25 I'd like to share a TTime (or equivilent XX:XX:XX) value between S60 and Maemo over bluetooth. How would you suggest that I encode/decode the data? May 29 20:12:40 Jaffa, they're sorta better May 29 20:12:47 You can change the CSS style if you want. May 29 20:12:56 So slooow May 29 20:12:59 sjgadsby, If he does, give him a middle finger from me :p May 29 20:13:01 Amen May 29 20:13:21 GAN8001: that's better. Might be tempted to lose some of the bold on it now. May 29 20:14:19 One sec May 29 20:14:24 * Jaffa tweaks May 29 20:14:32 How's that? May 29 20:14:40 Lightened the yellow a tad, too. May 29 20:15:03 I got two more tweaks May 29 20:15:04 One sec May 29 20:15:56 Would the "Software applications..." yellow box be better right in the "End-user software wish list"? May 29 20:16:58 OK, there. May 29 20:17:41 "Define types of applications that will be useful on the Internet Tablet" . . . ha May 29 20:18:02 "Yes" May 29 20:19:32 I think real command line utils would be useful May 29 20:19:43 that is, to hell with busybox, we want coreutils! May 29 20:19:44 busybox gone May 29 20:19:49 That's not a maemo.org issue May 29 20:19:56 There's a bug on bugzilla May 29 20:20:10 ;) May 29 20:20:24 AStorm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 May 29 20:20:40 don't forget procps too May 29 20:20:48 bbox top sucks ... May 29 20:20:48 ya May 29 20:21:36 Jaffa, if you want to keep tabs on things, just add the pages to your watchlist May 29 20:24:25 GAN8001: already done :-) May 29 20:24:47 Figured you might've, but just wanted to make sure you were aware of it. ;) May 29 20:25:04 GAN8001: I quite fancy having a wikipedia-esque warning triangle and then combining the two boxes into two paragraphs in one box May 29 20:25:49 Sounds good to me May 29 20:26:15 Can't find the image off-hand, though. May 29 20:27:36 OK, it's more or less ready for the image, anyway. May 29 20:28:06 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg/50px-Nuvola_apps_important_yellow.svg.png May 29 20:28:27 sjgadsby: nice May 29 20:28:33 * Jaffa uploads May 29 20:28:49 I like this, too: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Stop_hand_nuvola.svg :D May 29 20:29:09 Alternatively: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Stop_hand.svg May 29 20:29:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ambox_warning_pn.svg May 29 20:30:31 <|penguinbait|> http://www.arcatapet.com/fullsize/13228.jpg May 29 20:30:51 Ha May 29 20:31:57 <|penguinbait|> http://scandalouscandice.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/middle-finger.jpg May 29 20:33:02 nice. but where's the chains May 29 20:33:25 That one's perfect, |penguinbait|. May 29 20:33:49 "Quite truthfully, we really don't want your retarded input. Please kindly GTFO kthxbai" May 29 20:34:29 Yay, got the effect I want :-) May 29 20:36:08 <|penguinbait|> GAN, did I upset you? May 29 20:36:12 lol, sjgadsby and his damn grammar cleanups. :P May 29 20:36:25 No, |penguinbait|, no sarcasm. May 29 20:36:31 I was running with the joke. :D May 29 20:36:31 GAN8001, you love it really :p May 29 20:36:46 Stop me, before I correct comma usage again! May 29 20:36:56 oh noez! May 29 20:37:30 sjgadsby: eww, one missing from the second paragraph May 29 20:37:31 <|penguinbait|> my wife does not want my retarded input either, but thats life May 29 20:37:36 sjgadsby. making it easier for the people at nokia to read the stuff. May 29 20:37:55 sjgadsby is like some horrible little fairy that follows everywhere you edit and makes you feel like a stupid 3rd grader. He's like some horrible grammar-Navi! :P May 29 20:38:06 Hey! May 29 20:38:21 <|penguinbait|> haha May 29 20:38:34 Hey, commas don't go there! May 29 20:38:55 |penguinbait|, forget my stupidity from the repository issue. :) May 29 20:39:14 I was just being pissy for no good reason and you got caught up in the collateral damage. :) May 29 20:40:32 Grammar fixed. May 29 20:40:43 <|penguinbait|> I would have responded sooner, but I had to go look up "GTFO kthxba" May 29 20:41:08 <|penguinbait|> seriously can't we type in full all of our insults :) May 29 20:41:28 <|penguinbait|> no commas needed May 29 20:41:34 The retarded chan/AOL speak is part of the effect. ;) May 29 20:42:10 stfu I iz leet May 29 20:42:19 Dun hates on mah May 29 20:42:55 http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=57;t=001040;p=0 May 29 20:43:07 Wavage. May 29 20:43:34 I feel like I'm on dialup again. . . . May 29 20:43:39 <|penguinbait|> etsley eakspey igpey atinley May 29 20:43:40 Yay May 29 20:46:28 "high-tech machines" erm... have they ever heard of google? May 29 20:48:32 can anyone advise how to install web browser in Xepher? May 29 20:48:41 * Jaffa beds. May 29 20:49:00 'night, Jaffa. May 29 20:55:44 so, if I wanted to write a .desktop file to run kinit and aklog, in order to authenticate against kerberos5, who would I go about doing it? May 29 20:56:15 I'd steal a desktop file and use it as a template May 29 20:56:34 <|penguinbait|> right click and create new shortcut May 29 20:56:57 <|penguinbait|> ah, in KDE anyway May 29 20:57:18 Navi: where are tehy located? May 29 20:57:22 they* May 29 20:57:30 /usr/share/application/hildon/ May 29 20:57:33 or something like that May 29 20:57:45 <|penguinbait|> looks right May 29 20:58:51 thanks! May 29 20:58:51 <|penguinbait|> KTiOPO4 May 29 21:08:59 anyone got any ideas why iwlist doesnt work all the time May 29 21:09:18 this is in os2008 on an n810 May 29 21:14:30 practisevoodoo: well, cx3110x doesn't support wireless extensions all that well May 29 21:15:50 what bugs me is that it works some of the time May 29 21:16:44 which part of "doesn't support" confuses you? :-) May 29 21:16:49 it may work May 29 21:56:06 We really need a timeline of ITOS releases May 29 21:56:15 Getting dates on these things seem impossible at the moment. May 29 21:58:16 Editing the wiki in microb is painfully slow in the textarea May 29 21:59:12 Hmm can anyone help with the 'shared folders' missing from my file manager? May 29 21:59:32 lol, sleeeep, Jaffa. :P May 29 22:00:37 GAN8001: I had an idea for the 100 days plan and wanted to document it May 29 22:05:02 GAN800: how did you get your username & timestamp on 100_Days without it being a talk page? Is there a handy macro or something? May 29 22:05:55 Ah, found it :-) May 29 22:08:58 ~~~~ May 29 22:08:59 ARGH!!! STOP IT gan8001!!! May 29 22:09:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeneralAntilles/Sandbox#Release_History May 29 22:09:52 I still needs dates May 29 22:10:01 and I'm missing a bunch of OS2005 releases. May 29 22:10:10 and the version number on the OS2006 beta release May 29 22:18:39 Right. I must sleep instead of fiddling with the wiki articles May 29 22:19:38 night again May 29 22:19:43 :) May 29 22:19:56 I'm quite pleased with them, ATM May 29 22:19:59 I'm going to italicize the comments on the main page May 29 22:20:04 To offset them from the suggestions. May 29 22:20:20 Good call May 29 22:20:58 right, sleep. Hopefully the hotel tomorrow'll have wireless, or it'll be minimal 3G-based spodding for me May 29 23:10:51 |penguinbait|: thanks for all the earlier May 29 23:13:12 ah, Maemo Mapper on maemo.org homepage :) May 29 23:13:20 That's a really cool app. May 29 23:13:40 Granted, it would be much cooler, if I finally get my 810. May 29 23:14:04 The 800 lacks the GPS -- which limits my fun to browsing. May 29 23:14:18 i-blue 737! May 29 23:14:30 Hello there all :) May 29 23:14:31 The N810's GPS sucks, anyway. May 29 23:14:37 heh May 29 23:14:38 I need serious help here May 29 23:14:56 My N800 just throw internal SD to the black hole :( May 29 23:14:58 Maybe I should look into additional hardware. May 29 23:15:25 It became totally invisible neiter windows explorer nor Maemo filemanager May 29 23:15:42 format time! May 29 23:15:42 Seriously, i-blue May 29 23:15:53 They're beautiful pieces of technology. May 29 23:16:18 Can't format it, it's invisible! :) May 29 23:16:36 GAN8001: Holux M-1000 is nice, too. =o) May 29 23:16:39 Anybody using Garnet? http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/?emc=el&m=104313&l=1&v=db45019cdb May 29 23:16:59 Holux and i-blue both use MTK May 29 23:17:09 I kinda prefer the i-blue's build and formfactor, though May 29 23:17:39 there's nothing that can be one about the n810's gps is there? May 29 23:17:50 It'll be much better in Diablo, summatusmentis. May 29 23:18:06 summatusmentis, http://anidel.blogspot.com/ May 29 23:19:06 GAN8001: that's awesome! May 29 23:19:24 I believe it should work offline, too. May 29 23:20:20 even better, since that's mostly when I'd be using it May 29 23:21:39 nobody help?( May 29 23:23:04 wazd: rebot? what're you doing? May 29 23:24:01 robot May 29 23:24:08 Already rebooted May 29 23:24:21 I can't do anything, asking for advice :) May 29 23:24:31 It's totally invisible May 29 23:25:37 what caused it? did it just happen? May 29 23:26:30 is the card locked? May 29 23:26:56 it's unlocked and it's just happened May 29 23:27:16 Does dmesg say anything when it's plugged in? May 29 23:27:25 There's always the chance that it could just be a bad card. May 29 23:27:32 sounds like it's internal? May 29 23:27:37 yep May 29 23:27:51 I suppose it's a bad solder conneciton May 29 23:27:51 8GB SDHC May 29 23:27:54 connection May 29 23:28:06 no, I've swithced them May 29 23:28:12 internal slot is alright May 29 23:28:25 wait, what? May 29 23:28:29 wazd May 29 23:28:31 does the card show up in the other slot? May 29 23:28:32 take out the card May 29 23:28:36 open up xterm May 29 23:28:39 plug in the card May 29 23:28:44 wait a second or two May 29 23:29:03 type dmesg May 29 23:29:07 no, card is invisible in both slots May 29 23:29:10 Tell us what it says. May 29 23:29:57 wooow May 29 23:30:03 hell tons of text :) May 29 23:30:22 is diablo out yet? May 29 23:30:28 No, Jsn0327. May 29 23:30:31 Month or two. May 29 23:30:34 ok May 29 23:31:03 what should I see?) May 29 23:31:12 Now I see too much text May 29 23:31:18 <|penguinbait|> anyone running 2008OS not 51-3 that can test a command for me? May 29 23:31:51 Diablo, |penguinbait|? May 29 23:31:56 yessum May 29 23:31:59 hello Penguin :) May 29 23:32:08 wazd, if you see the card, it'll say something about voltages May 29 23:33:25 GVM looks a lot better. May 29 23:34:05 <|penguinbait|> looking for lower not higher :) May 29 23:34:45 i think mine's older May 29 23:34:51 how do i check May 29 23:34:59 <|penguinbait|> control panel May 29 23:35:00 <|penguinbait|> about May 29 23:35:20 51-3 :/ May 29 23:35:39 oh hell May 29 23:35:52 Can't see internal slot either May 29 23:35:59 what the F is going on here( May 29 23:36:02 <|penguinbait|> my new cloning script uses lshal, but I think prior to 51-3 it gives different info back May 29 23:37:17 ah no May 29 23:37:20 it's ok May 29 23:37:48 card is still invisible :( May 29 23:38:01 is the wimax tablet's name n810w or n830? May 29 23:38:14 N810 WiMAX Edition, disq May 29 23:38:20 ok May 29 23:38:20 Abbreviated N810W or N810WE May 29 23:38:40 i added a comment to the bugzilla gps entry btw May 29 23:40:07 Is there any SW way to restore that cards? May 29 23:40:30 Yeah, saw it, thanks, disq! May 29 23:40:53 wazd, if the card is shot, call the manufacturer and get it RMAed. May 29 23:42:02 wazd: have you tried seeing if the card works in a card reader on a different computer? May 29 23:42:48 disq: What bug exactly, btw? May 29 23:43:29 texel, I actually haven't got another cardreader :( May 29 23:43:40 wazd: how about another device that takes SDs? May 29 23:44:36 guenther: it was for GAN8001 May 29 23:44:51 no( May 29 23:45:01 Darn. May 29 23:45:02 Why n800 is innapropriate? May 29 23:45:06 disq: I know. I'd be interested in the bug number anyway. :) May 29 23:45:11 * Cymor is back (gone 06:50:31) May 29 23:45:20 wazd: Not inappropriate -- just want to make sure the SD is okay. May 29 23:45:37 One way to do so is to try it out in either another computer or another device that can handle SDs and see if they recognize it. May 29 23:45:39 May I introduce myself to you: Karsten Bräckelmann, one of the new maemo.org bugmasters. :) May 29 23:45:46 Well, I think it's not cause qall n800 slots works fine May 29 23:46:16 guenther: i don't remember :) oh hi. it was about a comment about agps-ui and how it fixes stuff May 29 23:46:16 Oh hell! Very nice to meet you Karsten :) May 29 23:46:21 guenther: good to meet you. =o) May 29 23:46:50 guenther: #2878 May 29 23:47:07 disq: Thanks. I was just about to string search. :) May 29 23:47:42 texel, wazd: hi May 29 23:47:42 browser url history ftw May 29 23:48:56 ah, right, that one May 29 23:49:29 guenther, the 70-vote GPS one May 29 23:49:35 high 2000s. :P May 29 23:49:37 Mm. That's an interesting bug, to say the least. May 29 23:49:47 Ah, he sent it. May 29 23:49:50 Nevermind. May 29 23:49:54 disq: Thanks for leaving comments like these. Much appreciated and needed. May 29 23:50:04 anyway, we don't have AGPS in Europe... or am I wrong? May 29 23:50:20 GAN8001: Thanks for poking disq to comment on the bug in the first place. ;-) May 29 23:50:32 AStorm: that would be dependent upon your cell-provider. May 29 23:50:37 guenther, don't you have a recently-updated bug search. :P May 29 23:50:57 Hi to all! May 29 23:50:58 texel: hmmhmm May 29 23:51:00 Not yet. :) May 29 23:51:15 they do provide some simple text location tag May 29 23:51:24 i was just bragging about how it "rocks" in the channel and GAN8001 suggested that i leave a comment. May 29 23:51:33 I just figured out how to make one that includes bugs with new comments, so I have a "all bugs updated in last 2 days" search May 29 23:51:34 but I don't know if GPS data too May 29 23:51:38 Very useful May 29 23:51:43 Yeah, I read that initial conversation. May 29 23:51:51 * guenther lurks often May 29 23:52:11 * GAN8001 hides his marines. May 29 23:52:26 :) May 29 23:53:01 http://www.blizzard.co.kr/images/broodwar/units/lurker/cglurkerhigh.jpg May 29 23:53:23 GAN8001: hm... what exactly do you use for a "relative date" in the Bug Changes field? May 29 23:53:27 GAN8001: You mean "changed between -2d and Now"? May 29 23:53:27 It's not exactly... obvious. May 29 23:53:52 GAN8001: he's got such a nice smile :-) May 29 23:54:07 easy one, and *really* useful May 29 23:54:16 Only bugs changed between 2d and now May 29 23:54:24 -2d May 29 23:54:34 If you want to include new comments, just don't select anything in "one or more of the following changed" May 29 23:54:41 I have 2d, guenther. May 29 23:54:42 Well, that's I always used it. May 29 23:54:45 Works fine. May 29 23:54:49 * GAN8001 shrugs May 29 23:54:57 Never tried a positive int for the first field. May 29 23:54:57 Doesn't make sense now that I think about it May 29 23:55:00 but still May 29 23:55:11 hah May 29 23:55:22 Didn't know that. It really works. Go figure. May 29 23:55:30 texel, there's a "Give me some help" link at the top. May 29 23:55:37 It'll enable popups for all the fields May 29 23:55:43 just for, you know, future reference. ;) May 29 23:55:47 Heh May 29 23:55:49 Nice. May 29 23:55:51 Thanks. =o) May 29 23:55:58 Oh, guenther, nuke that period here: Give me some help (reloads page.) May 29 23:56:02 * texel doesn't exactly /like/ bugzilla, but lives with it. =op May 29 23:56:25 texel: Use -2d, -2w, -2m and stuff May 29 23:56:33 days, weeks, months, use any number May 29 23:56:42 AStorm, he wants to eat your liver. :P May 29 23:57:05 GAN8001: What do you mean? May 29 23:57:18 * guenther wonders what "nuke that period" means May 29 23:57:19 On the Advanced Search page May 29 23:57:27 GAN8001: bad for his health ;P May 29 23:57:29 Oh, kill it with fire. :P May 29 23:57:35 Make it go away May 29 23:57:41 Nuke it from orbit May 29 23:57:47 dang that's a real bad ending of good day( May 29 23:58:10 * guenther scatches his head May 29 23:58:27 What would you need help with? May 29 23:58:48 At least it's not a horrible ending to a bad day, wazd. May 29 23:58:50 I got my SDHC crashed May 29 23:59:07 wazd: buy SanDisk next time? ;P May 29 23:59:07 it's got invisible :( May 29 23:59:09 wazd: does dmesg show the SDHC as even being seen by the kernel? May 29 23:59:14 The link does funky js stuff to enable popup (css/js) tooltips for all the search fields. May 29 23:59:16 wazd: reinsert? May 29 23:59:29 ah May 29 23:59:31 right... May 29 23:59:36 ah, yes, check dmesg after reinserting May 29 23:59:44 to se if the kernel noticed it May 29 23:59:44 AStorm, oh hell, why I didn't thought of that before! :P May 30 00:00:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi May 30 00:00:01 But the stupid period in the parenthesis is ugly and should be deleted. ;) May 30 00:00:10 Just go back there. :) May 30 00:00:12 What rows should I look for? May 30 00:00:17 there are tons of them( May 30 00:00:42 heh May 30 00:00:49 period in paranthesis? May 30 00:00:53 wazd, ssh in and pastebin it. May 30 00:01:08 Give me some help (reloads page.) May 30 00:01:10 The one there. May 30 00:01:11 wazd: something about menelaus setting MMC voltage May 30 00:01:24 yep, there is May 30 00:01:27 * guenther slaps forehead May 30 00:01:34 with high number on left (that is, very recent) May 30 00:02:19 2800 mV May 30 00:02:21 that? May 30 00:02:41 yeah, that May 30 00:02:45 so the kernel sees it May 30 00:02:47 wazd: there should be a line in there that says something to the effect of "waiting for devices to settle before scanning" as well. May 30 00:02:52 w00t KDE! May 30 00:02:54 texel: nope May 30 00:02:57 this thing amazes me May 30 00:02:58 that's only on startup May 30 00:03:11 AStorm: Uhh... okay. May 30 00:03:16 wazd: now check if there are /dev/mmcblk1* May 30 00:03:24 I get that every time I insert a card... O.o May 30 00:03:26 * texel shrugs May 30 00:03:28 (afaicr it's the external card slot) May 30 00:04:20 wait please I'll reinsert without 2nd SD card May 30 00:04:24 for clear results May 30 00:05:35 AStorm: okay, I'm a bonehead -- mmcblk drivers don't use the SCSI subsystem. =op May 30 00:05:42 So it'll never say that. =op May 30 00:05:43 yeah, they don't May 30 00:07:01 okay, I have different values May 30 00:07:07 3300, 2800 May 30 00:07:19 3100, 3000 May 30 00:07:48 correct May 30 00:08:00 on the same card, or diff ones? May 30 00:08:54 menlaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV May 30 00:09:10 I think VDC... is the name?) May 30 00:09:20 then on different May 30 00:09:31 yes, it is the name of the wire of mmc controller May 30 00:12:45 <|penguinbait|> can anyone running firmware prior to 51-3 on 800 or 810 test a command for me? May 30 00:14:06 I can if time is cyclical. :D May 30 00:14:21 night May 30 00:14:58 Does that explain deja vues? May 30 00:15:45 guenther: Somehow, I don't think so... =op May 30 00:17:47 guenther, is there any way to set timezone in bugzilla? May 30 00:18:03 I'd like not to have to think about the times when using it. . . . May 30 00:18:44 IIRC yes, let me check May 30 00:18:59 Who are the idiots that keep adding software requests to the 2010 agenda? <_< May 30 00:20:24 ah, no -- sorry May 30 00:20:40 I had itT in mind, where I recently set it. May 30 00:21:14 Should I open a enhancement request? :P May 30 00:21:15 GAN8001: Where are you? May 30 00:21:20 No. :-) May 30 00:21:21 EDT May 30 00:21:41 err... -0500 r something? May 30 00:21:54 -0400 right now May 30 00:21:58 Daylight savings time May 30 00:22:02 right May 30 00:23:22 Wonder if this feature ever has been implemented upstream. May 30 00:23:43 Can't recall seeing it in at least 6 different bugzilla servers... May 30 00:23:55 I was googling it a few days ago May 30 00:24:01 My guess is "no" May 30 00:24:09 Which seems odd. May 30 00:24:14 * guenther nods May 30 00:24:58 In that case, would be closed RESOLVED NOTMAEMO. ;) May 30 00:25:12 Alas, that GNOME-ism doesn't exist. May 30 00:25:51 I still want it anyway. :P May 30 00:25:58 Did you check bugzilla.org, if this ever has been filed upstream as feature request? May 30 00:26:26 <|penguinbait|> lshal -l --show /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_1_mmc_host_0_mmc_card_rca4660_storage May 30 00:26:34 Not specifically. May 30 00:26:37 I read something somehwere May 30 00:26:43 Don't recall what where May 30 00:26:47 <|penguinbait|> I use this command to pull storage information May 30 00:26:59 * guenther recalls that place May 30 00:27:06 <|penguinbait|> would it be different between firmware versions on the same hardware? May 30 00:27:14 somewhere is nice to stay for a few days, isn't it? May 30 00:27:37 Fantasmagastic May 30 00:27:54 Maemo Bugzilla is +0200, right? May 30 00:28:36 Also, b.m.o. == ? May 30 00:28:36 +0300 currently ;) May 30 00:28:56 b.m.o == bugs.maemo.org May 30 00:29:23 At least in this channel. Mozilla got their own IRC network to claim different usage. ;-) May 30 00:31:33 GAN8001: You're never come across that acronym before? May 30 00:31:45 Sorry, probably a GNOME-ism. :) May 30 00:31:58 Probably have, but I've never previously cared what it meant May 30 00:32:03 The bugsquad and infrastructure teams tend to use these. May 30 00:32:09 and it definitely doesn't get used in a maemo context. May 30 00:32:30 We usually just call it "bugzilla" here. May 30 00:32:36 Andre and me sure adopted for internal use, and it turned out most folks just understood it. May 30 00:32:45 So I assumed it's the same here. :) May 30 00:33:15 * GAN8001 is stupid. ;_; ;) May 30 00:33:39 I mean, I got that it referred to bugzilla, just not what the acronym was for. ;) May 30 00:33:46 yeah, using the host names only makes sense, in a closed env May 30 00:34:49 * guenther got a FF "bmo" keyword to jump to bugs numbers May 30 00:35:11 Hehe May 30 00:35:18 I set one up in OmniWeb a few weeks ago May 30 00:35:28 Almost the first bookmark I saved, with bugs.maemo.org a close second. May 30 00:36:27 Has been invaluable for GNOME, and I already used bmo a lot. May 30 00:37:49 Shortcuts are great May 30 00:37:54 Got one for everything. May 30 00:38:02 Especially with %s May 30 00:38:15 wiki, imdb, itt, bugzilla May 30 00:38:37 wikim for wiki maemo, now, too May 30 00:48:54 wait, someone actually uses OmniWeb!? May 30 00:49:34 Heck yes! May 30 00:49:49 I've been using OW for a long time May 30 00:50:01 Fantastic browser. ;) May 30 00:50:15 i was going around looking for commercial web browsers a while back and i stumbled across OmniWeb, and was having trouble imagining anyone paying for a web browser nowadays ^_^ May 30 00:50:27 I only paid $5 May 30 00:50:30 So, meh May 30 00:50:37 I love the "tab" bar May 30 00:50:41 and workspaces May 30 00:50:44 and shortcuts May 30 00:50:56 resizable text boxes May 30 00:50:58 doesn't firefox or opera have those? May 30 00:51:00 It's a fun browser May 30 00:51:02 ah, that would be nice May 30 00:51:10 Opera is more proprietary nonsense May 30 00:51:14 though i have a firefox plugin that does the resizable textboxezs May 30 00:51:19 Firefox is slow as shit and ugly as hell on OS X. ;) May 30 00:51:23 yeah May 30 00:51:35 Even with FF3 and their "native" widgets it still looks like shit May 30 00:51:38 though 3 is nice, but it the plugins i use don't work with it yet May 30 00:51:52 rm_you, moved? May 30 00:51:54 hrm May 30 00:52:02 ? May 30 00:52:12 moved? May 30 00:52:18 Or is your shit still everywhere? May 30 00:52:23 ah May 30 00:52:30 I'm mostly home now May 30 00:52:33 not fully set up yet tho May 30 00:52:39 Get an Extras account yet? :P May 30 00:52:44 nope >_< May 30 00:52:58 I pretty much gave up until they roll out the improved interface for extras promotion May 30 00:53:00 I netted a few new users yesterday May 30 00:53:07 then we complained about you for a little while. May 30 00:53:10 It was fun. :P May 30 00:53:10 lol May 30 00:53:16 and johnx told me to blame you May 30 00:53:19 or blame him May 30 00:53:20 something May 30 00:53:21 haha May 30 00:53:26 I don't remember May 30 00:53:26 why the 8001? May 30 00:53:32 so I'm just going to blame you both May 30 00:53:41 Quicksilver G4 at my parent's house May 30 00:53:48 heh May 30 00:53:54 so you moved back too? May 30 00:53:56 I don't feel like getting my proxy up and running again. . . . May 30 00:54:07 Just for the week May 30 00:54:10 ah May 30 00:54:16 Going back up for summer semester next week. May 30 00:54:18 I need to get my server set up May 30 00:54:26 and then i can start developing May 30 00:54:29 blame everyone May 30 00:54:35 You would. May 30 00:54:42 * Navi blames GAN8001 May 30 00:55:11 Think I should open a sister bug, rm_you? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 :D May 30 00:56:17 Navi, finish sorting wikipages so we can get this move started and stop hanging about in limbo. <_< May 30 00:56:32 yes May 30 00:56:34 i believe i should May 30 00:57:02 i'll do it... May 30 00:57:07 and i'll copy/paste their letter, lol May 30 00:57:17 Letter? May 30 00:58:08 <|penguinbait|> are the repos messed up again? May 30 00:58:43 err, the stuff they typed May 30 00:58:49 make it look like a form letter :P May 30 01:00:25 Seems like it, |penguinbait|. Reopening. . . . May 30 01:00:46 <|penguinbait|> its so disappointing May 30 01:01:24 Maybe spoke too soon May 30 01:01:29 tablets-dev responded May 30 01:04:29 <|penguinbait|> you must be lucky May 30 01:04:38 <|penguinbait|> mine is still hosed May 30 01:05:18 Repos responded, too May 30 01:08:49 GAN8001: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 May 30 01:11:10 rm_you, supposedly there'll be a wikipage with packages, source status, and (maybe) justification at some point. May 30 01:11:17 cool. May 30 01:11:36 want to open another for the sound statusbar applet? :P May 30 01:12:07 It came up in the last #maemo-meeting May 30 01:12:17 and there's a QuestionsforNokia page up with some of it May 30 01:12:45 But somebody needs to dump a list, go through the source status of everything and then poke Nokia to start adding the justifications. May 30 01:13:07 heh May 30 01:13:17 it's depressingly slow going <_< May 30 01:13:24 Yeah. . . . May 30 01:16:00 A fairly large amount of community frustration can be attributed to Nokia's glacial movement compared to most open source stuff. May 30 01:16:34 Vote for the bugs, rm_you. May 30 01:17:08 Then we can both poke Navi to. May 30 01:17:56 hehe k voted May 30 01:18:01 what about johnx too? :P May 30 01:18:19 He's teh sleeps or something May 30 01:18:23 So, May 30 01:18:26 * GAN8001 pokes Navi May 30 01:18:31 Vote on the bugs, Navi. May 30 01:18:35 he should wake up May 30 01:18:43 rm_you, you see the LinuxTag stuff? May 30 01:19:13 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html May 30 01:19:52 https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf May 30 01:19:56 http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-linuxtag-update May 30 01:20:34 http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/05/29/maemoorg-track-in-linuxtag/ May 30 01:20:35 not yet May 30 01:20:38 will look now May 30 01:20:44 Well, there you go. ;) May 30 01:27:47 Suppose I want to power a 6 volt 2 inch television from the 1980s using a 5V psu.. will that risk damaging anything? May 30 01:27:55 From what I understand, a power deficit isn't risky May 30 01:28:09 I know the psu can support more than enough current May 30 01:28:31 any EE majors? May 30 01:43:15 CRT TVs can be pretty touchy May 30 01:44:41 diablo is the wimax version of n810? May 30 01:44:47 i have a similar question if anyone answers that one :P I need to power a small LCD May 30 01:44:54 probably off of batteries May 30 01:45:03 No, oilinki May 30 01:45:20 The WiMAX version of the N810 is called "N810 WiMAX Edition" May 30 01:45:26 Diablo is the next OS2008 release May 30 01:45:32 /maemo 4.1 May 30 01:45:52 GAN8001: thanks for the info. I was just wondering about the a-gps. May 30 01:47:14 I suppose n810 need to be connected to a phone to be able to use a-gps? May 30 01:47:21 not even then May 30 01:47:44 oilinki, or wifi May 30 01:47:44 unless that phone can somehow give out the extra data that a-gps needs May 30 01:47:59 and I think it can be used offline by tapping your location on a map. May 30 01:48:00 what is AGPS? May 30 01:48:08 asisted GPS May 30 01:48:10 assisted May 30 01:48:30 using cell tower location to speed up position lockin May 30 01:48:40 phone can give the 2g/3g cell information and that info can be compared to the location table May 30 01:49:09 I believe it'll use IP location positioning from Nokia's server's May 30 01:49:17 but I guess it would work with wlan as well, if the wlan-ap locations are stored in the terminal May 30 01:49:32 oilinki: I'm not sure that there is a standard way to get the data from the phone over bluetooth, although you could probably write a java app that would run on the phone to do that May 30 01:49:56 I believe the system for the N810 uses the interwebs. ;) May 30 01:49:57 by data, I mean nearby cell tower data May 30 01:50:10 those amazing tubes May 30 01:54:38 Proteous: let's see what the technology is behind the diablo agps. May 30 01:55:17 It's IP-based. May 30 01:55:22 Or click-on-map based. May 30 01:56:38 gruess dich May 30 02:05:57 Oh, rm_you, I added adv-backlight to Downloads. May 30 02:06:06 ? May 30 02:07:55 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ May 30 02:08:00 Does that enable it to be installed using 'apt-get install adv-backlight'? May 30 02:08:25 no. May 30 02:08:38 Downloads != Extras May 30 02:08:48 hallo May 30 02:09:17 Hello. May 30 02:09:39 user__, might want to /nick to something else. May 30 02:14:46 ok May 30 02:15:06 Also, rm_you, did you see this? https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2406&group_id=564&atid=2116 May 30 02:29:32 hey, i was trying to flash my nokia n810 wit os2008.. i am trying it on ubuntu hardy... i am trying to fix the flasher 3.0.. i dont know the exact thing to put in the path for the flasher 3.0 linux binary.. can someone help? May 30 02:30:39 can you be more specific? May 30 02:31:37 well.. i need to do per -pi -e ' ' -i.backup right? May 30 02:31:44 i dont know wat goes in the ' ' May 30 02:32:31 umm... I have no idea... I think you mean the flash file, but I don't know May 30 02:32:59 yup, on the wiki it says location of the flasher2.0/ 3.0 linux binary May 30 02:33:57 now i dont know which path it needs, wats given is 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usv\000-;' May 30 02:45:47 hey ppls. is there another gui besides GTK to use with python in maemo? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 30 02:59:57 2008