**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 30 02:59:57 2008
May 30 04:11:13 * Cymor is away: afk
May 30 04:11:32 <Navi> ew
May 30 04:37:19 <lopz> night
May 30 06:43:18 <herwood> good morning everyone
May 30 06:44:27 <herwood> I'm fighting with a drag and drop -issue here
May 30 06:45:31 <herwood> I always get a segmentation fault when I'm trying to fetch the selection data. Has someone faced this problem?
May 30 06:46:45 <herwood> Before I try to fetch the selection data, I have put there something in the drag-data-get -handler.
May 30 06:48:19 <herwood> the selection data != null but the segmentation fault comes every time when I try to check that is the selectiondata->data null or not.
May 30 06:59:21 <Jaffa> morning, all
May 30 07:27:09 <Dead_K_n810> Morning !
May 30 07:30:22 <starkmjolk> mornin :)
May 30 07:48:03 <Dead_K_n810> huhu ! D-feet ! it seems i ve found a great oss tool !
May 30 07:49:18 <Dead_K_n810> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/d-feet/
May 30 07:49:56 <qwerty12> heh nice :)
May 30 08:03:15 * Surfer9 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)
May 30 08:03:59 <Dead_K_n810> qwerty12 > i ll port this once i get my tablette
May 30 08:04:07 <qwerty12> Great :)
May 30 08:04:09 <Dead_K_n810> s/tablette/nit
May 30 08:04:17 <qwerty12> I would like to learn a bit more about D-BUS :)
May 30 08:04:26 <Dead_K_n810> http://oss.codepoet.no/revelation/screenshots/ <- this one should be good too
May 30 08:04:44 <Dead_K_n810> i make a recolt on http://www.pygtk.org//applications.html :)
May 30 08:05:08 <qwerty12> Hehe, http://gdick.kldp.net/
May 30 08:06:42 <Dead_K_n810> gdick ?
May 30 08:06:45 <Dead_K_n810> what is it ?
May 30 08:06:59 <Dead_K_n810> i ve found :)
May 30 08:06:59 <Dead_K_n810>  	
May 30 08:06:59 <Dead_K_n810> Korean-English dictionary client for GNOME
May 30 08:07:00 <qwerty12> Some Korean dictionary. Dodgy name though...
May 30 08:07:12 <Dead_K_n810> useless for me :)
May 30 08:07:22 <qwerty12> For me too :)
May 30 08:07:38 <qwerty12> I like the comedy value of the name :p
May 30 08:08:00 <Dead_K_n810> i always try to port app that i use ... so i use it and have a better view of the use to mod it correctly
May 30 08:08:03 <Dead_K_n810> salut tmonjalo
May 30 08:11:26 <tmonjalo> Dead_K_n810: salut
May 30 08:11:46 <Dead_K_n810> ouch vmware is really slow on windows ...
May 30 08:11:47 <Dead_K_n810> :(
May 30 08:13:01 <Dead_K_n810> and network don t work :(
May 30 08:51:02 <trickie> howdy
May 30 09:00:33 <user__> Hello, I bought a N810 yesterday but I have connection problems. It's connected to my wifi network. I can't ping it from my desktop unless I am viewing a web page with the browser. Like if before accessing to a web page the network connection was activated and after disactivated
May 30 09:00:44 <user__> wlan idle time is set to unlimited
May 30 09:01:37 <jjo> are you guys getting 401 replies from repository.maemo.org again?
May 30 09:01:54 <jjo> or is it my problem at the moment
May 30 09:02:55 <kulve> jjo: I seem to be able to download with browser from e.g.: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/w/wget/
May 30 09:18:58 <Dead_K_n810> arg ... scratchbox debhelper < 5
May 30 09:19:01 <Dead_K_n810> grrr
May 30 09:22:55 <herwood> I'm still having huge problems with dnd. Can someone help me a bit?
May 30 09:23:54 <herwood> or if someone knows a good tutorial, feel free to tell me :)
May 30 09:25:28 <jumpula> Dead_K_n810: debhelper < 5?
May 30 09:25:37 <jumpula> Dead_K_n810: which version are you using?
May 30 09:26:03 <jumpula> debian-etch devkit should provide you with a recent enough debhelper
May 30 09:26:38 <jumpula> anyway. can't stay, hope you get your problem fixed :)
May 30 09:26:51 <Dead_K_n810> jumpula > as i'm at work
May 30 09:27:05 <Dead_K_n810> i use the vmware appliance sdk
May 30 09:27:16 <Dead_K_n810> and it s an old ubuntu
May 30 09:32:50 * qwerty12 gets the latest Garnet. I plan on keeping a copy on my HD and loading it into IDA sometime :/
May 30 09:36:32 <Dead_K_n810> ida ?
May 30 09:36:49 <qwerty12> Disassembler
May 30 09:37:00 <Dead_K_n810> why ?
May 30 09:37:12 * qwerty12 has to admit at this point I don't know anything about disassembling but...
May 30 09:37:21 * qwerty12 hates expiry dates ;)
May 30 09:37:37 <Dead_K_n810> lol
May 30 09:42:51 <Robot101> user__: the wlan antenna is only enabled when sending data
May 30 09:43:36 <Robot101> user__: if you run ping or something from the device, it'll keep the wireless activated to receive traffic
May 30 09:45:54 <user__> ah, is there a way to prevent that? at least when it's plugged
May 30 09:46:14 <qwerty12> look into derf's acmonitor
May 30 09:46:31 <user__> qwerty12: me?
May 30 09:46:50 <qwerty12> Yeah, it has some "autoping" feature or somesuch
May 30 09:46:58 <user__> ok
May 30 09:47:33 <qwerty12> Yeah, "The daemon also pings a remote host once a minute while on AC power (N800 version only), which helps ensure the network interface will continue to accept remote connections (e.g., via sshd) after idle periods. If you'd like to change the host that's being pinged, use gconf-editor or gconftool-2 to set /apps/acmonitor/ping_host. Set this to a blank entry to disable this feature. "
May 30 09:47:42 <qwerty12> I've got a Os2008 version, 1 sec
May 30 09:47:52 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19258
May 30 09:48:05 <user__> trying
May 30 10:08:38 <rm_you> weird
May 30 10:09:36 <rm_you> i've never had that issue... in fact, i "found" my n800 when I was doing nmap sweeps for another machine... I sshed in thinking it was my server, and it was actually my n800 that I had forgotten about for like a week in a corner :P
May 30 10:09:42 * qwerty12 hates X-Server crashes
May 30 10:10:15 <qwerty12> And I was in the process of compiling a little fix to a maemo annoyance I hate ;)
May 30 10:10:22 <rm_you> >_>
May 30 10:21:14 <qwerty12> And I have to reflash. Serves me right for replacing diablo components with ones built from chinook source :/
May 30 10:21:58 <qwerty12> Oh, wait, no I don't :)
May 30 10:21:59 <qwerty12> w00t :)
May 30 10:22:03 <rm_you> lol
May 30 10:24:02 <qwerty12> Hehe, that didn't work well. I changed the value for when the arrow shows up so you can have more statusbar applets and now, it doesn't show, but so don't the rest of my applets :p
May 30 10:24:16 <rm_you> lol
May 30 10:24:27 <rm_you> do you use adv-backlight?
May 30 10:24:54 <qwerty12> I usually do but because I've reflashed recently, I'm taking my time getting my old apps back :)
May 30 10:25:10 <rm_you> well, that one helps slightly :P
May 30 10:25:39 <qwerty12> Hehe, yeah, I plan on reinstalling it soon
May 30 10:25:54 <qwerty12> I think I need to :P
May 30 10:28:34 <rm_you> I plan on developing for it soon :P
May 30 10:28:34 <rm_you> lol
May 30 10:28:39 * rm_you keeps putting it off
May 30 10:29:09 <qwerty12> heh :)
May 30 10:33:39 <admin_> is there any way to enable javascript in the browser on n770?
May 30 10:34:31 <admin_> I coudln't change my routers settings, as button clicking was javascript
May 30 10:35:47 <admin_> oh, I got it in Tools
May 30 10:38:16 <Gatestone> This is on CHINOOK-x86: I apt-got hello-world-app. I cun run-standalone it, but how do I get the Application manager to see it.
May 30 10:38:26 <Gatestone> ?
May 30 10:48:20 <eocanha> Gatestone: I don't know if this hint can be useful, but...
May 30 10:48:46 <eocanha> not all the packages are shown in appmanager in "normal mode", only selected ones
May 30 10:49:18 <eocanha> If you want to see them all, you have to put appmanager into "red pill mode" (just search in Google about that)
May 30 10:50:10 <eocanha> Moreover, I think that not every deb package is installed from appmanager. It has to belong to a specific package group
May 30 10:50:30 <Gatestone> Even dpkg calls hello-world-app an "example for the application installer".
May 30 10:50:39 <eocanha> Section: user/games
May 30 10:50:58 <eocanha> ah, ok, understood
May 30 10:51:05 <Gatestone> What about the "section"?
May 30 10:51:15 <eocanha> Then I don't know the cause of your problem
May 30 10:51:40 <eocanha> just check that example isn't from an old SDK
May 30 10:52:46 <eocanha> I'd recommend you to download the sources of any other free project for Maemo and compare the two debian/control files
May 30 10:53:00 <eocanha> Because the key is just that file, I think
May 30 10:55:09 <Gatestone> ok. The red pill mode instruction talk about something, which clearly is not applicable to my sbox + MAEMO 4 SDK
May 30 10:55:29 <qwerty12> Why is it not applicable?
May 30 10:55:36 <Gatestone> Like Tools/Application catalogue menu, which I don't have
May 30 10:55:39 <eocanha> hmmm... you're talking about the SDK...
May 30 10:55:55 <Gatestone> I have Settings / Application manager
May 30 10:56:11 <Gatestone> And there is no New button that red pill mode talks about
May 30 10:56:17 <qwerty12> You can set red pill mode another way, wait a sec
May 30 10:56:37 <eocanha> I've experienced that, after installing a new app in the SDK, it doesn't shows in the menus. Just restart the scratchbox.
May 30 10:56:54 <Gatestone> I did that
May 30 10:56:58 <eocanha> It'll work fine in the real device. It has better setting change detection.
May 30 10:57:04 <Gatestone> I see.
May 30 10:57:29 <eocanha> Then I don't know. Maybe the hello-world-app is only meant to be run in red pill mode, I don't know
May 30 11:00:21 <Gatestone> Note that every time I start Application manager it says "operation failed" and show no apps installed, although the SDK as installed by the tutorial at maemo.org comes with a contact list as the (only) app.
May 30 11:02:33 <Gatestone> (my third time I use MAEMO or scratchbox, and I don't have the device, so bear with a newbie...=
May 30 11:03:07 <herwood> I'm sorry for repeating this, but I'm still looking for help in using drag and drop in maemo. If there's anyone who has used it successfully, please give me a hand.
May 30 11:03:29 <mgedmin> Gatestone: does the log say anything?
May 30 11:14:08 <keesj> hi
May 30 11:16:44 <Dead_K_n810> sb sucks too much !!!!!!!
May 30 11:21:58 <mgedmin> hey, what's the policy for updating https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days ?
May 30 11:22:07 <mgedmin> can I just stick my idea in the middle, or should I ask for some consensus?
May 30 11:22:48 <keesj> :p. we need an action plan
May 30 11:23:29 <keesj> I would say a brainstorm
May 30 11:24:59 <keesj> I guess that putting it on the wiki is not such a good idea. we want to disccuss stuff. why not mail it to the developers list and sumarize it later?
May 30 11:25:25 <mgedmin> why the heck do I need to *log in* to *read* the announcement at https://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html ?
May 30 11:25:31 <mgedmin> because it starts with https?
May 30 11:27:17 <andre____> yeah.
May 30 11:27:22 <andre____> http:// works
May 30 11:27:57 <mgedmin> "Over the next 10 days, people are invited to add their ideas, suggestions and gripes to these two pages, to help set the agenda for maemo.org."
May 30 11:31:49 <mgedmin> me adds
May 30 11:32:05 <gomiam> me substracts ;-)
May 30 11:32:59 * towo pla.
May 30 11:57:31 <Anunakin> Johnx or qwerty12_N800 ? you here?
May 30 11:57:46 <Anunakin> ?
May 30 11:58:31 * Anunakin I have some new and easy ideas about right and middle click emulation for debian
May 30 11:58:38 <Dead_K_n810> does someone have a vmware with scratchbox and python2.5 set ?
May 30 11:58:58 <Anunakin> no
May 30 12:59:50 <user__> Hello, I conneted to SSH to my n810, exported DISPLAY to my workstation but graphics apps are still being launched in the n810 display
May 30 13:00:00 <user__> is it possible to export X with maemo?
May 30 13:47:14 <RST38h> *yawn*
May 30 13:54:36 <Anunakin> O:-)
May 30 14:15:15 <johnx> Anunakin, hey
May 30 14:22:16 <trbs> is there a use-guide for the mapdownloader applicaiton somewhere? it does not seem to do anything except display a black screen where the maps suppost to be :(
May 30 14:46:54 <rm_you> johnx: johnx
May 30 14:47:01 <johnx> hey
May 30 14:47:15 <rm_you> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199
May 30 14:47:16 <rm_you> vote :P
May 30 14:47:45 * johnx votes
May 30 14:47:53 <rm_you> oh, and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 for GA
May 30 14:47:58 <qwerty12> Give me my money first :P
May 30 14:48:03 <rm_you> lol
May 30 14:48:12 <rm_you> qwerty12: vote :P
May 30 14:48:20 <qwerty12> Hehe, will do :D
May 30 14:48:39 <WorkingOnWise> johnx: not naggin, just checkin, have you had any time to work on Evolution yet?
May 30 14:48:47 <johnx> work on it?
May 30 14:48:47 <rm_you> johnx: how goes debian?
May 30 14:48:54 <rm_you> back at home now so I can finally check it out again :P
May 30 14:48:56 <johnx> rm_you, haven't done anything with it since beta3
May 30 14:49:00 <rm_you> ah
May 30 14:49:27 <johnx> WorkingOnWise, sorry, what did you want me to do again?
May 30 14:49:43 <crashanddie> johnx, we'd love you to ... *lots* of things...
May 30 14:49:55 <johnx> O_o
May 30 14:49:56 * qwerty12 is still waiting for weedfs
May 30 14:50:45 <WorkingOnWise> We checked the resource use and saw that Evolution was reasonable for the N8x0. You said you might chip away at getting it on the IT's
May 30 14:51:09 <johnx> uhm...ah, I said I'd run it on Debian...which I did
May 30 14:51:27 <WorkingOnWise> on the IT?
May 30 14:51:37 <johnx> yup, runs ok
May 30 14:51:58 <johnx> doesn't fit on the screen very well
May 30 14:52:31 <WorkingOnWise> cool. any chance of seeing a howto on ITT, or is it just a matter of running a Debian chroot and grabbing the debs?
May 30 14:53:11 <johnx> just apt-get install evolution
May 30 14:53:16 <johnx> in debian chroot
May 30 14:53:19 <WorkingOnWise> I'll get the source and massage the ui so it works better....
May 30 14:53:36 <WorkingOnWise> nice. hadnt run a chroot yet...
May 30 14:53:59 <rm_you> johnx: you actually mean chroot, or your beta3?
May 30 14:54:09 <rm_you> do you run a chroot as well?
May 30 14:54:10 <johnx> rm_you, either one of course
May 30 14:54:28 <johnx> I don't use chroot but there's no reason it wasn't worth
May 30 14:54:29 <WorkingOnWise> isnt the beta3 you speak of xfce?
May 30 14:54:38 <WorkingOnWise> as the DE
May 30 14:54:42 <johnx> yeah
May 30 14:54:51 <Anunakin> Hi johnx
May 30 14:54:53 <rm_you> which one did you test it on?
May 30 14:54:54 <johnx> hi
May 30 14:55:00 <johnx> rm_you, beta3
May 30 14:55:27 <Anunakin> I have little ... tip on emulate right click
May 30 14:55:43 <johnx> ok, shoot :)
May 30 14:56:02 <WorkingOnWise> johnx:  any luck with a2dp on debian? would it be worse than in hildon, or the same? maybe better (please be better :)   )
May 30 14:56:17 <johnx> a little better, with the latest bluez
May 30 14:56:24 <rm_you> lol, now a2dp I would love to work on
May 30 14:56:29 <rm_you> that's still my favorite project
May 30 14:56:32 <johnx> it's all in the bluez version though, not something debian does different
May 30 14:56:33 <Anunakin> I tring use accessx and xmodmap
May 30 14:56:41 <rm_you> woo: *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***
May 30 14:56:50 <rm_you> just in the last minute or so :P
May 30 14:57:01 <WorkingOnWise> good. I kinda thought it would work itself out with bluez as it matured....
May 30 14:57:06 * rm_you bows to johnz
May 30 14:57:12 <rm_you> err... x
May 30 14:57:42 <WorkingOnWise> johnx has graduated to johnz
May 30 14:57:59 <johnx> totally skipping y
May 30 14:58:12 <RST38h> but there are no letters left!
May 30 14:58:20 <WorkingOnWise> yup. Evolution ya know  :D
May 30 14:58:21 <johnx> rm_you, yeah, linking bugs to vote on IRC works wonders :D
May 30 14:58:25 <qwerty12> who is this johnx anyway?
May 30 14:58:26 <rm_you> he's reached his peak :/
May 30 14:58:42 <johnx> I'll just move on from z to aa
May 30 14:58:46 <RST38h> 9 8 7 6 5 ... ?
May 30 14:58:48 <texel> You could say he's reached an evolutionary dead-end. =op
May 30 14:58:50 <rm_you> :P
May 30 14:58:54 <WorkingOnWise> nah... johndd next!
May 30 14:59:03 <GAN800> andre____, get my memo?
May 30 14:59:23 <andre____> hmm? what, where? :)
May 30 14:59:36 <GAN800>  /msg memoserv list
May 30 14:59:50 <Anunakin> /msg memoserv list
May 30 14:59:59 <lcuk> anyone at liinuxtag logged in
May 30 15:00:43 <RST38h> all right, ttg home
May 30 15:01:00 <qwerty12> Looks like work on fremantle has already started... https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/gtk+/2.10.12-1~fremantle2/
May 30 15:01:10 <qwerty12> And it's said to be "GTK+ evolved"
May 30 15:01:14 <qwerty12> Fremantle that is
May 30 15:01:45 <GAN800> one would hope it'd already started. :P
May 30 15:01:59 <qwerty12> Hehe, true.
May 30 15:02:02 <texel> Hm. GTK+ evolved, eh?
May 30 15:02:07 <RST38h> Poor Elephanta, we hardly knew you...
May 30 15:02:16 <qwerty12> Yep and thre is a tagged gtk with fremantle on it
May 30 15:02:20 <texel> One can only wonder what that could mean.
May 30 15:02:37 <qwerty12> I may checkout the fremantle version later
May 30 15:03:13 <qwerty12> Will fremantle be for the current series of IT's or for the n900?
May 30 15:03:51 <GAN800> No telling, qwerty12
May 30 15:04:04 <qwerty12> Ah, thanks
May 30 15:04:10 * texel smiles
May 30 15:05:25 <n800m> hey kind of a weird question
May 30 15:05:40 <n800m> what eats up more power  --- dark pixels or light ones
May 30 15:05:56 <texel> Hm. Presumably dark, I would think.
May 30 15:06:10 <texel> Because the relaxed state of the liquid crystal is clear.
May 30 15:06:15 <Khertan> i think it ll be at least for n810 wimax, so n800 and n810 too
May 30 15:06:33 <texel> That being said, the most power draw is caused when you use a crosshatch pattern on the LCD.
May 30 15:06:44 <n800m> not to mention the backlight
May 30 15:06:46 <rm_you> n800 is supposed to be officially supported for two more revisions, right? or just one?
May 30 15:06:47 <texel> (it actually goes for most LCDs)
May 30 15:06:51 <n800m> which doesn't care what color pixels are
May 30 15:07:11 <forge_> Has nokia said something about supporting n800 :o
May 30 15:07:18 <forge> Like really really said
May 30 15:07:51 <johnx> right now n810 and n800 have the same rootfs basically
May 30 15:08:05 <rm_you> they had a thing like, "we will support each device for at least two product cycles"
May 30 15:08:08 <rm_you> or something like that
May 30 15:08:25 <rm_you> i think n800 will go to ITOS2009?
May 30 15:08:25 <johnx> if they ship the n810 wimax in october 2008 and drop it with *no software updates* I would be surprised
May 30 15:08:48 <rm_you> I might get a n810 wimax when it comes out
May 30 15:08:53 <rm_you> as an upgrade to this
May 30 15:08:58 <Khertan> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 ... please some votes :)
May 30 15:09:01 <rm_you> i wonder if they'll do a developer program again
May 30 15:09:05 <rm_you> i might actually apply
May 30 15:09:07 <texel> n800m: well, I was considering the cost of the backlight as a constant.
May 30 15:09:26 <texel> n800m: in which case the part that matters is the state of each LCD pixel.
May 30 15:09:47 <n800m> yeah somehow i was thinking the less backlight the better ://
May 30 15:10:10 <n800m> which is true but not covered by pixels abviously
May 30 15:10:12 <qwerty12> So, before I waste me time, would anyone play Spear of destiny on their tablets?
May 30 15:10:16 * texel nods
May 30 15:10:19 * n800m feels dumb
May 30 15:10:23 * texel shrugs
May 30 15:10:49 * qwerty12 leans back
May 30 15:10:52 <texel> qwerty12: as in the second original DOS Wolfenstein? Is that even OSS?
May 30 15:11:22 <qwerty12> texel, yes, the wolf engine source was released years ago and can play SOD too
May 30 15:11:30 <texel> Nicer.
May 30 15:11:36 <texel> s/r\././
May 30 15:12:54 <AStorm> n800m: go play Doom instead
May 30 15:13:05 <AStorm> oh, wait, that was qwerty12
May 30 15:13:16 <texel> Hm... How about a proper port of d2xl?
May 30 15:13:19 <n800m> well i would to but i don't have the data files
May 30 15:13:22 <n800m> too*
May 30 15:13:31 * qwerty12 doesn't like current doom port
May 30 15:13:45 <AStorm> qwerty12: why? it works very nicely
May 30 15:13:51 <AStorm> but that touchscreen part is weak
May 30 15:14:04 <qwerty12> I find it odd to control :/
May 30 15:14:19 <AStorm> on n810, it's pure gold when played on keyboard
May 30 15:14:19 <qwerty12> texel, No OpenGl. Descent 2 with soft rendering exists though
May 30 15:14:38 <n800m> http://ads.penny-arcade.com/delivery/ai.php?filename=rpsd02_728avail.jpg&contenttype=jpeg
May 30 15:14:42 <n800m> best ad ever
May 30 15:14:45 <qwerty12> I need to get usb keyboard :/
May 30 15:15:26 <texel> qwerty12: well, that's what I was meant really -- probably should have s/d2xl/descent/ instead.
May 30 15:17:00 <texel> Okay, time to get some work done. Less talk, more hack.
May 30 15:17:07 * texel goes back to work
May 30 15:17:59 <lopz> hi
May 30 15:19:09 <qwerty12> Tablets are really dodgy :/. I compiled XaoS the other day for some fractal fun and when matchbox-window-manager is running, it goes really dodgy. I stop it and the fractals work fine :/
May 30 15:20:09 <johnx> your app is prolly trying to resize it's window while matchbox is saying "no"
May 30 15:20:09 <texel> qwerty12: have you tried running XaoS inside a straight matchbox on Linux?
May 30 15:20:24 <texel> matchbox is pretty draconian to most X apps.
May 30 15:20:29 <qwerty12> no :(
May 30 15:20:36 <qwerty12> I'll try in kde sometime
May 30 15:20:38 <texel> And sadly, most modern GTK/X apps are broken in terms of window placement and ICCCM.
May 30 15:20:50 <qwerty12> Or hopefully, the debian crew already have a XaoS port for ARMEL
May 30 15:20:52 <AStorm> yeah, we need sawfish in there with correct plugins
May 30 15:21:30 * texel uses stumpwm and has to fight with stupid Java swing apps that do all kinds of weird junk
May 30 15:24:01 <AStorm> yeah, Swing is evil
May 30 15:24:22 * texel ran Antlrworks yesterday and it consistently crashed stumpwm due to it's X insanity
May 30 15:24:24 <GAN800> planet.maemo.org timing out for anybody else?
May 30 15:24:53 <qwerty12> yeh
May 30 15:25:08 <texel> p.m.o has had all kinds of weird issues lately.
May 30 15:25:32 <texel> Timing out here as well.
May 30 15:25:53 <johnx> maybe it's to make us appreciate that it *used to be* somewhat stable
May 30 15:26:00 <GAN800> #3203
May 30 15:26:05 <johnx> heh
May 30 15:27:40 <GAN800> Ari's blog is so depressing. . . .
May 30 15:28:39 <GAN800> Why are the idiots STILL adding their stupidity to the software wishlist on the brainstorm?
May 30 15:29:04 <johnx> as long as it's a wishlist, who cares?
May 30 15:29:21 <GAN800> It's a waste of time.
May 30 15:29:28 <johnx> anyways, it makes people feel better and that is at least *the right place*
May 30 15:29:34 <GAN800> The wishlist shouldn't even be there.
May 30 15:29:41 <johnx> it's harmless
May 30 15:29:48 <johnx> I didn't even *know it existed*
May 30 15:30:06 <GAN800> They really screwed the whole page up over night. . . .
May 30 15:30:26 <johnx> did the page do anything useful to begin with?
May 30 15:30:44 <GAN800> read the maemo.org annoucement.
May 30 15:32:25 <johnx> ah, I see
May 30 15:33:34 <n800m> it says stupid allowed
May 30 15:34:16 <texel> Hrm... Is SB2 even usable for development yet?
May 30 15:34:28 <qwerty12> Cue RST38h :p
May 30 15:34:34 <texel> heh
May 30 15:34:45 <mgedmin> texel: yes
May 30 15:34:53 <mgedmin> sudo apt-get install maemo-sdk
May 30 15:34:57 <mgedmin> it's sb2 based
May 30 15:35:00 <texel> Well, I just noticed that entry under "Update developer libraries" and the last time I attempted to use it I'm afraid it blew up in my face. =op
May 30 15:35:03 <mgedmin> and it works on my laptop
May 30 15:35:05 <texel> Good to hear it's stable now.
May 30 15:35:08 <GAN800> n800m, but not IRRELEVANT.
May 30 15:35:12 <mgedmin> I don't know about *stable*
May 30 15:35:16 <mgedmin> the website claims it's alpha
May 30 15:35:19 * texel nods
May 30 15:35:20 <GAN800> it's for maemo.org
May 30 15:35:28 <mgedmin> and it needs two sysctl tweaks to work on my kernel (ubuntu hardy)
May 30 15:35:38 <GAN800> Which doesn't have anything to do with bundled software.
May 30 15:35:41 <mgedmin> and the postinst script PUTS STUFF IN MY /etc/sudoers
May 30 15:35:45 <mgedmin> WITHOUT ASKING FOR MY PERMISSION
May 30 15:35:55 <mgedmin> that's a violation of the Debian Policy
May 30 15:36:04 <mgedmin> I believe
May 30 15:36:17 <n800m> is itt.com nokia owned?
May 30 15:36:21 <mgedmin> still, it's very close to Just Works
May 30 15:36:37 <texel> Whoa.
May 30 15:36:46 <texel> Okay, yeah, that sucks horribly.
May 30 15:36:56 <mgedmin> (the stuff is: everyone is allowed to run ifup usb0 and ifdown usb0 without a password)
May 30 15:36:57 <texel> And is absolutely a violation of the Debian policy.
May 30 15:37:11 <GAN800> No, n800m
May 30 15:37:17 <mgedmin> (it also puts ten lines into /etc/network/interfaces with HARDCODED IP ADDRESSES from the 192.168.2.x net, for usb networking)
May 30 15:37:29 <mgedmin> (that would break horribly if my LAN actually used that address range)
May 30 15:37:41 <m-c> hello - wondering about the Command Central software that Maemo uses to tie all the VoIP, email, and IM accounts together
May 30 15:37:42 <mgedmin> I can see how they're trying to make life easier for the average user
May 30 15:37:49 <mgedmin> but there's a reason for the debian policy
May 30 15:38:01 <mgedmin> not breaking horribly in unexpected corner cases is also a good idea
May 30 15:38:02 <texel> Wow. So... you'd expect that a /developer package/ would have a README with it saying how to do that manually. =op
May 30 15:38:12 <mgedmin> hence the alpha status, I guess
May 30 15:38:15 <texel> Because, well, /developers/ generally know what they're doing. =op
May 30 15:38:44 <mgedmin> or they should
May 30 15:38:52 <mgedmin> heh, qualification test
May 30 15:38:58 <texel> Hehehe
May 30 15:39:04 <texel> "This has been an IQ test -- you just failed" =op
May 30 15:39:11 <mgedmin> "if you're not persistent enough to figure out scratchbox 1 and rootstraps, then we don't want your packages anyway"
May 30 15:39:54 <n800m> man 50% of those things on that wiki is website style stuff
May 30 15:40:10 <n800m> you can consolidate al that crap without nokia
May 30 15:40:16 <n800m> +l
May 30 15:40:51 * texel nods
May 30 15:41:04 <texel> Some of the layout things aren't so easily solved though.
May 30 15:41:08 <texel> As in CSS and such.
May 30 15:41:34 <m-c> anyone else annoyed with the instant messaging on the NIT ?  I like getting all my VoIP calls in one central location, but I do not like how it alerts me when someone IM's me "hi there"
May 30 15:41:37 <texel> Too bad we can't just say "ditch midgard's search engine and replace with google completely" =op
May 30 15:41:39 <n800m> it's really not that importnat tho imho
May 30 15:41:44 * texel nods
May 30 15:41:48 <texel> But then, it is a wishlist. =op
May 30 15:41:52 <mgedmin> m-c: I'm not annoyed because I don't use it ;-)
May 30 15:42:35 <m-c> I wish there was a way to keep my Google Talk account, but prevent people from contacting me with the Instant Messaging side.
May 30 15:42:41 <texel> That being said, the non-underlining of links kinda ticks me a little -- but then, that's one of my pet peeves, anyway.
May 30 15:43:03 <texel> m-c: that's a limitation of Google Talk, not the NIT.
May 30 15:43:09 <GAN800> n800m, how do you figure?
May 30 15:43:24 <GAN800> We don't have access tp the styles to fix them.
May 30 15:43:40 <rm_you> mgedmin: adv-backlight adds a line to /etc/sudoers on the n8x0 >_>
May 30 15:43:52 <GAN800> it's a _maemo.org_ brainstorm, and style is most certainly that.
May 30 15:43:55 <m-c> texel : but Command Center provides only one status for all enabled accounts.
May 30 15:44:01 <mgedmin> a lot of maemo packages are made by people who are not familiar with debian
May 30 15:44:19 <rm_you> I made that one, am familiar with debian, and have never heard of that rule >_>
May 30 15:44:23 <rm_you> though I see the point for it
May 30 15:44:24 <texel> m-c: oh. I misunderstood -- thought you were using something else.
May 30 15:44:41 * mgedmin once read the debian policy manual from cover to cover, out of interest
May 30 15:44:45 * mgedmin once had oodles of free time
May 30 15:44:56 <texel> mgedmin: were you chased by shoggoths for the rest of your days?
May 30 15:45:02 <MangoFusion> good read?
May 30 15:45:03 <rm_you> it just isn't possible to do it another way. should I, what, ask "are you sure?" in postinst and if they say no, remove the package you just installed?
May 30 15:45:10 <mgedmin> MangoFusion: actually, yes
May 30 15:45:17 <rm_you> that makes even less sense :/
May 30 15:45:53 <MangoFusion> im's on an IT are quite annoying i find
May 30 15:46:00 <mgedmin> rm_you: I think The Debian Way would have you patch the base package (sudo in this case) to parse all text files under /etc/sudoers.d/, and then have your package just install a new conffile there
May 30 15:46:19 <mgedmin> scripts modifying configuration files are error-prone
May 30 15:46:20 <MangoFusion> e.g. takes far too long to open the chat window
May 30 15:46:21 <rm_you> <_<
May 30 15:46:25 <mgedmin> and may conflict with the sysadmin's wishes
May 30 15:46:40 <mgedmin> I don't know how much of that is applicable to the single-user tablets
May 30 15:46:51 <texel> mgedmin: pretty applicable, actually.
May 30 15:46:58 <rm_you> well, i tried to make my sudoers line VERY specific, and my script is pretty braindead, so i don't see it messing up
May 30 15:47:02 <mgedmin> but having a broken /etc/sudoers would require a complete OS reflash to fix
May 30 15:47:05 <Khertan> bye
May 30 15:47:25 <texel> I recently did a dist-upgrade which broke root for me on my N810 because I had it set to give me root in /etc/sudoers and another package came along and clobbered it.
May 30 15:47:26 <johnx> or some real creativity...
May 30 15:47:37 <mgedmin> what would happen if I did 'echo BLABLABLA >> /etc/sudoers', and there wasn't enough disk space for the full line?
May 30 15:47:39 <rm_you> you can just ssh, no?
May 30 15:47:43 <rm_you> ssh root@localhost
May 30 15:47:45 <rm_you> done
May 30 15:47:49 <texel> rm_you: not on mine. I disabled root logins.
May 30 15:47:56 <mgedmin> rm_you: not on mine either
May 30 15:47:57 <Khertan> su
May 30 15:47:57 <rm_you> texel: how do you ssh in?
May 30 15:48:00 <mgedmin> I added a line to /etc/sudoers
May 30 15:48:03 <texel> rm_you: I don't.
May 30 15:48:06 <rm_you> >_>
May 30 15:48:08 <mgedmin> I would be unhappy if a package went and removed it
May 30 15:48:14 <rm_you> THAT is way more broken >_>
May 30 15:48:16 <texel> rm_you: Unless I need to, in which case I use ssh key authentication for user.
May 30 15:48:24 <rm_you> ah.
May 30 15:48:29 <texel> Which means I start ssh manually.
May 30 15:48:35 <texel> Rather than having it start on bootup.
May 30 15:48:35 <Khertan> have a good week end ...
May 30 15:48:45 <texel> rm_you: not more broken -- more secure.
May 30 15:48:52 * mgedmin loves the ability to just ssh to his tablet at any time
May 30 15:48:59 <mgedmin> that's the only reason I have it autoconnect to WLAN
May 30 15:49:01 <texel> SSH is a little too insecure at the moment. O.o
May 30 15:49:03 <rm_you> security at the cost of usability is lame :/
May 30 15:49:16 <texel> rm_you: I don't need ssh for anything unless something screwball is happing on the IT.
May 30 15:49:18 <mgedmin> don't know about lame, but it usually loses
May 30 15:49:27 <texel> In general usage, nothing requires it for me.
May 30 15:49:37 <mgedmin> copying clipboard contents ;)
May 30 15:49:43 <rm_you> i use my device from SSH more than I poke at it manually >_>
May 30 15:49:47 <texel> Heh
May 30 15:49:51 <mgedmin> xsel | ssh tablet 'xsel -b --display :0'
May 30 15:50:02 <texel> But then, I need my device to be a bit more secure than usual.
May 30 15:50:11 <texel> It contains data that shouldn't be accessable to anybody but me.
May 30 15:50:22 <mgedmin> is it encrypted?
May 30 15:50:25 <texel> Yep.
May 30 15:50:28 <mgedmin> good
May 30 15:50:34 <texel> But encryption doesn't preclude offline attach.
May 30 15:50:37 <texel> s/attach/attack/
May 30 15:50:37 <infobot> texel meant: But encryption doesn't preclude offline attack.
May 30 15:50:40 <rm_you> did OS2008 suffer from the debian ssh key fiasco?
May 30 15:50:44 <mgedmin> no
May 30 15:50:46 <texel> rm_you: thankfully no.
May 30 15:50:47 <mgedmin> iirc
May 30 15:50:50 <rm_you> lol
May 30 15:50:55 <mgedmin> I want avahi on the tablet
May 30 15:51:08 <mgedmin> when I'm in a foreign WLAN, there's no internal DNS server giving a name to my tablet
May 30 15:51:09 <n800m> whoa i thought i was dyslexic for a second
May 30 15:51:18 <n800m> nm
May 30 15:51:24 <mgedmin> I want to just "ssh my-tablet.local"
May 30 15:51:31 <mgedmin> without figuring out the IP every time
May 30 15:51:47 <mgedmin> where's the wishlist for diablo/fremantle/harmattan?
May 30 15:51:52 <rm_you> that would be nice, yes
May 30 15:51:58 <johnx> I thought avahi was on there...
May 30 15:52:14 <mgedmin> canola used to depend on it
May 30 15:52:18 <johnx> it is, just not cofigured I guess
May 30 15:52:25 <mgedmin> I should look at it perhaps
May 30 15:52:36 <johnx> that and dbus-scripts might do what you want
May 30 15:55:41 <gpd> I'm trying to use my Nokia E51 as an HSPDA modem on my Mac via USB. Everything is fine - I have APN, username and Password for my O2 network and use *99# as telephone number - where do I put in the APN on OSX config box!? [this is a long shot!]
May 30 15:55:59 <gpd> Of course it works perfectly to the N800!
May 30 15:56:04 <GAN800> Try #macosx?
May 30 15:56:29 <gpd> yeah - i know - but wrth a shot on here - bright channel :)
May 30 15:58:40 <qwerty12> Who else except for GAN800 uses a mac? for that matter, who *wants* to use one if they can avoid it? :p
May 30 15:59:19 <johnx> qwerty12, it's a perfectly nice *BSD machine :shrugs:
May 30 15:59:26 <johnx> better than windows at any rate
May 30 15:59:39 * qwerty12 doesn't use windows
May 30 15:59:46 <qwerty12> I'm only joking anyway :)
May 30 15:59:55 <qwerty12> It's iPhones that I think are shit
May 30 16:00:11 * johnx doesn't mind those either
May 30 16:00:18 <johnx> too closed for my tastes
May 30 16:00:32 <johnx> I'd suggest one to non-geek, power users though
May 30 16:01:34 <texel> johnx: I use a MacBook Pro... ...running Linux only. =op
May 30 16:01:59 <johnx> see the funny thing is when I had a macbook for work I actually tried linux on it and kinda hated it
May 30 16:02:26 <qwerty12> :O
May 30 16:02:28 <texel> Mm. Well, the Santa Rosa cores actually perform pretty well now under Ubuntu Hardy.
May 30 16:02:30 <johnx> the lack of at least 2 mouse buttons is quite painful when using linux
May 30 16:02:34 <qwerty12> You can never hate linux on anything!
May 30 16:02:54 <johnx> qwerty12, :P
May 30 16:02:58 <texel> johnx: even with two- and three- finger tapping on the synaptics?
May 30 16:03:07 * qwerty12 really should learn to read better, i've repacked the same deb 5 times now :/
May 30 16:03:12 <johnx> I prefer hardware buttons
May 30 16:03:15 <texel> Mm.
May 30 16:03:18 <johnx> guess I'm weird like that
May 30 16:03:21 <texel> I can understand that. =o)
May 30 16:03:38 <johnx> either way, I actually like osx just fine for a laptop
May 30 16:04:05 <johnx> when I get a new notebook it's gonna be a thinkpad w/ linux or a macbook w/ osx
May 30 16:04:17 <texel> Frankly, when using the MBP at my desk, I use a ThinkPad USB keyboard with a trackpoint. =op
May 30 16:04:26 <johnx> but having an n800 makes that purchase a lot less urgent :)
May 30 16:04:33 <texel> Mm. Actually, last I read, Linux works quite nicely on the X300.
May 30 16:04:50 <texel> better than even the T43.
May 30 16:05:05 <johnx> yeah, I'm looking hungrily at the plain old X lineup
May 30 16:05:20 <texel> If I had the cash, I'd buy one in an instant.
May 30 16:05:31 <texel> The $1k SSD is killing it for me, though.
May 30 16:06:01 <rm_you> Yeah, those Lenovo machines are tasty...
May 30 16:06:10 <rm_you> Lenovo / IBM
May 30 16:06:30 <n800m> i'm on macbook pro, it's pretty sweet hardware
May 30 16:06:47 <n800m> haven't had a dvd/cd burned yet that didn't work in months
May 30 16:07:07 <rm_you> that's called having a quality DVD burner :P
May 30 16:07:25 <johnx> ah, optical disks! how quaint!
May 30 16:07:30 <MangoFusion> mb pro here. osx. loving it
May 30 16:07:33 <rm_you> I've noted the same in Windoze, using Nero and a highly rated burner :P
May 30 16:07:40 <rm_you> not to push windoze >_>
May 30 16:07:40 <n800m> i do video work so it's a must
May 30 16:07:48 <n800m> i'm in windows right now, on it
May 30 16:07:52 <n800m> works well that way too
May 30 16:08:08 <n800m> i ran vmware fusion for awhile but it's to limiting
May 30 16:08:12 <rm_you> yeah, the hardware in Macs is always fairly nice
May 30 16:08:16 <rm_you> they don't go low-end >_>
May 30 16:08:22 <texel> Yeah.
May 30 16:08:27 <Navi> OPTICAL DISKS?
May 30 16:08:29 <texel> Just wish they wouldn't use such closed hardware, though.
May 30 16:08:36 <Navi> Those exist? I thought they were just a myth.
May 30 16:08:43 <johnx> yeah, apple does a great job stamping that apple logo on those quanta laptops...
May 30 16:08:46 <n800m> techno snobs
May 30 16:09:15 <n800m> i'm still amazed by sd cards honestly
May 30 16:09:20 <rm_you> If I bought a new laptop, I would have to go with the X series Tablets >_>
May 30 16:09:32 * texel usually always needs an optical disk for some reason.
May 30 16:09:34 <johnx> n800m, I know what you mean. micro sd cards make my mind hurt O_o
May 30 16:09:40 <n800m> 16 gb in the palm of my hand
May 30 16:09:48 <rm_you> 32 now!
May 30 16:09:54 <n800m> first time i got a 8 Gb one i reminisced about 1.44 floppies
May 30 16:09:58 <texel> rm_you: Good luck paying for it! =op
May 30 16:10:03 <rm_you> lol
May 30 16:10:04 <MangoFusion> watch you don't loose it ;)
May 30 16:10:10 <texel> That, too.
May 30 16:10:13 <n800m> hehe yeah
May 30 16:10:22 <rm_you> Southwest Airlines lost one of my bags... with about $3000 of clothes in it >_>
May 30 16:10:31 <rm_you> anyway, gonna spend about $1500 replacing my clothes
May 30 16:10:34 <n800m> where the hell do you shop for clothes
May 30 16:10:34 <texel> Ow.
May 30 16:10:42 <rm_you> and the rest on a hard drive upgrade  for my server :P
May 30 16:10:52 <johnx> rm_you, was that your space suit or your tux?
May 30 16:10:56 <Navi> Expensive clothing there.
May 30 16:10:58 <n800m> hehe
May 30 16:10:59 <texel> rm_you: Do those clothes include a sewn-in wearable?
May 30 16:11:02 <rm_you> It's called "almost every shirt and pair of pants I own"
May 30 16:11:03 <n800m> space suit
May 30 16:11:15 <johnx> rm_you, ah, sadness :(
May 30 16:11:19 <rm_you> and it wasn't a small bag
May 30 16:11:20 <n800m> ouch
May 30 16:11:24 <Navi> Every shirt and pair of pants I wear don't add up to 3k
May 30 16:11:26 <rm_you> johnx, you've seen my duffels :P
May 30 16:12:08 <johnx> rm_you, yup...I *&$%ing dragged one from the airport once
May 30 16:12:25 <Navi> johnx, timey's traveling the world
May 30 16:12:38 <Navi> I told him to break your door down and steal your cheerios
May 30 16:12:51 <johnx> Navi, I heard, but I have no cheerios
May 30 16:12:57 * Navi snaps
May 30 16:13:06 <rm_you> he has rice! lots of rice! :P
May 30 16:13:09 <johnx> he'd have to bring them first then steal them
May 30 16:13:18 <Navi> That works
May 30 16:13:26 <texel> johnx: but then, that wouldn't be stealing... =op
May 30 16:13:39 <johnx> well he can say it's a gift
May 30 16:13:42 <johnx> then take them back
May 30 16:13:44 <texel> So maybe if he /gave them/ to you, and then took it... =op
May 30 16:13:59 <texel> (not sure why I used italics there O.o)
May 30 16:14:06 <johnx> I'll turn a blind eye as long as he leaves a box of frosted flakes
May 30 16:16:10 <Navi> texel, only italic to those that use your IRC client.
May 30 16:16:18 <texel> heh
May 30 16:16:21 <Navi> or that suppor the /italicness of your slashes/
May 30 16:16:30 <Navi> s/por/port/
May 30 16:16:30 <infobot> Navi meant: or that support the /italicness of your slashes/
May 30 16:16:34 <texel> Or use the same mental parser. =op
May 30 16:17:09 * GAN800 steals texel's giant nose.
May 30 16:17:18 <texel> Oh noes! O.o
May 30 16:17:35 * GAN800 runs away
May 30 16:17:43 * texel giggles
May 30 16:21:21 <n800m> can you do wildcard search in OS X?
May 30 16:21:25 <n800m> like *.avi
May 30 16:21:36 <n800m> or is it diferent from win
May 30 16:21:41 <Navi> Try it out :P
May 30 16:21:48 <n800m> i don't have os x up atm
May 30 16:22:41 <rm_you> errr, does oSX include locate?
May 30 16:22:45 <johnx> n800m, find /Volumes/your-drive -name "*foo*"
May 30 16:22:55 <rm_you> locate -i .avi
May 30 16:22:56 <rm_you> :P
May 30 16:23:01 <Navi> :P
May 30 16:23:49 <n800m> it's for somebody more noobish than me, the terminal wil confuse her
May 30 16:24:00 <n800m> found a 3rd party thingy tho
May 30 16:38:38 <GAN800> Or just use Spotlight
May 30 16:39:02 <GAN800> No 3rd party needed. . . .
May 30 16:41:59 <n800mX> i think the wireless reception is better in OS x on the macbok pro than it is in windows
May 30 16:42:06 <n800mX> weird
May 30 16:42:13 <n800mX> same hardware
May 30 16:43:01 <qwerty12> Can you search maemo-developers? Someone posted boost libs and I can't find the link :/
May 30 16:47:04 <qwerty12> Never mind, figured how to do it
May 30 16:58:59 <Anunakin> Any have gcc-4.x armel packages for maemo OS2008 ?
May 30 17:05:25 <GAN800> n800m, Spotlight.
May 30 17:28:12 <n800m> http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/   better than spotlight
May 30 17:29:23 <GAN8001> Not
May 30 17:29:45 <GAN8001> Unless you're running on Tiger.
May 30 17:29:56 <n800m> leopard
May 30 17:30:10 <n800m> you're kinda of a nazi about your opinions aren't you :P
May 30 17:31:00 <GAN8001> I've got a lot of experience to back most of them up. :)
May 30 17:31:25 <n800m> well there are needs and needs
May 30 17:31:37 <n800m> i doubt anypne's experience encompasses all of those
May 30 17:31:46 <n800m> everyone's go some angle
May 30 17:31:49 <n800m> +t
May 30 17:32:52 * johnx has no anglets
May 30 17:32:52 <penguinbait> rather be smokin
May 30 17:33:08 <penguinbait> he's 15, gees kids these days
May 30 17:34:32 <GAN8001> I love this: "Today we have too many channels (ITT, maemo.org...). Maybe have some more focus like: maemo.org for developers and ITT for end users"
May 30 17:34:45 <GAN8001> 2 channels is too many?
May 30 17:34:50 <johnx> yeah
May 30 17:34:54 <johnx> we need to slim it down to 2
May 30 17:36:17 <RST38h> GAN: Who is this bright mind?
May 30 17:36:23 <RST38h> This visionary?
May 30 17:38:40 <GAN8001> RST38h, I think it's an IP address.
May 30 17:38:52 <GAN8001> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Focus_developers_and_users_on_the_right_channels
May 30 17:39:59 <GAN8001> Nope, it's someone known as "morphbr".
May 30 17:42:12 <GAN8001> Ugh, theses people fail at mediawiki
May 30 17:42:58 <penguinbait> wiki's are like chat rooms, any maroon can type their miguided opinion's
May 30 17:43:09 <penguinbait> <------ like me
May 30 17:43:58 <GAN8001> penguinbait, I'd rather have your opinions than these jokers. :P
May 30 17:44:44 <GAN8001> Who can I blame for adding the 100Days article without a space in it. . . .
May 30 17:45:03 <GAN8001> Quim1
May 30 17:46:15 <GAN8001> s/1/!/
May 30 17:46:15 <infobot> GAN8001 meant: Quim!
May 30 17:46:19 <RST38h> GAN: When I see this document I can't stop thinking of Sturgeon's law
May 30 17:47:21 <penguinbait> Sturgeon's Law is the name given to two different adages derived from quotes by science fiction author Theodore Sturgeon. The first is "Nothing is always absolutely so", while the second, and more famous, of these adages is: "Ninety percent of everything is crap."
May 30 17:47:33 <RST38h> 2nd one.
May 30 17:47:43 <penguinbait> of cource I pulled this from wikipedia, so its probably 90% crap :)
May 30 17:47:48 <GAN8001> Ha
May 30 17:47:59 <GAN8001> RST38h, make it not suck. :p
May 30 17:48:02 <GAN8001> Go on
May 30 17:48:04 <GAN8001> I dare yah
May 30 17:48:38 <RST38h> GAN: As soon as I oass the baby to my wife =)
May 30 17:48:47 <RST38h> s/oass/pass
May 30 17:49:01 <GAN8001> s/oass/toss/ :P
May 30 17:49:06 <GAN8001> No tossing babies!
May 30 17:50:15 <penguinbait> toss em if you like, just not to me :)
May 30 17:51:40 <GAN8001> I wish Reggie hadn't stuck it on the frontpage of itT.
May 30 17:52:00 <GAN8001> The result of that? A bunch of stupid hardware and software requests that have zero to do with _maemo.org_
May 30 17:52:52 <penguinbait> http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4791847
May 30 17:52:57 <penguinbait> baby drop
May 30 17:53:19 <penguinbait> its only 50 feet
May 30 17:59:54 <GAN8001> If anybody is looking hard at a HAVA, let me know and I might be able to set up a demo for you.
May 30 18:12:13 <RST38h> Back
May 30 18:12:28 <RST38h> GAN: Can I just give you a list of suggestions?
May 30 18:12:57 * RST38h does not really know where to insert stuff on that wiki page - its signa/noise ratio is a way too high
May 30 18:17:51 <WorkingOnWise> is it safe to say the compare Samsung S5L8900 in the iPhone would eat the N8x0's cpu for lunch? Just trying to get a feel for how well Android would do in the N8x0. I've only seen in on the iPhone, where it is super responsive. Of course, part of that is the full 3d functionality the iPhone has over the N8x0
May 30 18:18:21 <GAN8001> RST38h, just hit the discussion page
May 30 18:18:26 <GAN8001> I'll parse it out from there.
May 30 18:18:33 <RST38h> WOW: a) No. b) Android already works on N8x0
May 30 18:19:20 <summatusmentis> You've seen android on the iPhone?
May 30 18:19:38 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, you get NOLO and initfs flashed?
May 30 18:19:40 <RST38h> GAN: ok
May 30 18:20:02 <RST38h> Where do I leave comments in discussion?
May 30 18:20:27 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I ended up not doing it, because I had already started copying root to sd
May 30 18:20:55 <GAN8001> RST38h, login, go to the appropriate page click discussion up top, then click the little + tab to add a new topic.
May 30 18:21:13 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, still need to flash initfs and NOLO.
May 30 18:21:21 <summatusmentis> why?
May 30 18:21:29 <summatusmentis> what benefit does it get me?
May 30 18:21:58 <GAN8001> Your NOLO version is old, your initfs version is for an N800. :P
May 30 18:22:49 <summatusmentis> but does it matter that much? like, does an old NOLO hurt anything?
May 30 18:23:22 <GAN8001> Not that I KNOW of
May 30 18:23:26 <GAN8001> but I can't guarantee it
May 30 18:24:26 <RST38h> Oh you have to login
May 30 18:25:04 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: hmm, I'll maybe do it this evening
May 30 18:28:38 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: if I flash NOLO and a new initfs, I'm gonna have to find fanoush's initfs again, and re-flash that
May 30 18:28:50 <penguinbait> yes summ
May 30 18:29:26 <rafl> is there a summary page with all the useful information to upgrade to diablo? known issues, workarounds, etc. I'm kinda too lame to read >60 pages in the thread at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727
May 30 18:30:33 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: thanks for all your help yesterday, btw
May 30 18:31:00 <GAN800> No, rafl
May 30 18:31:02 <WorkingOnWise> RST38h: the iPhone and N8x0 cpu's are comparable even tho there is a 200Mhz diff between them? I know Mhz does not = performance, but 200 is a pretty big diff, which is why I was asking. As for working on the N8x0, well, I see that it runs, but that might be a long way from working in the wild :)
May 30 18:31:19 <GAN800> Read the thread. ;) You can skip most of the first 30 pages.
May 30 18:31:43 <GAN800> WorkingOnWise, iPhone runs at 402MHz
May 30 18:32:40 <WorkingOnWise> GAN800 the specs I found said 620
May 30 18:33:29 <GAN800> The CPU is CAPABLE of that, but for battery life reasons it's underclocked (much like the N800 used to be).
May 30 18:34:23 <WorkingOnWise> sneaky ba#@$rds! I saw that 620 in 3 places! So much for truth in advertising huh?
May 30 18:34:49 <rafl> GAN800: have you done it? if so: do you happen to be able to tell me if there's anything else one would need to take care of other than changing the catalogues and upgrading?
May 30 18:34:52 <WorkingOnWise> thanks. With that, the N8x0 is easy match for that silly brick
May 30 18:34:54 <GAN800> Apple doesn't advertise the CPU frequency.
May 30 18:35:08 <GAN800> They don't advertise the specs at all.
May 30 18:35:12 <summatusmentis> WorkingOnWise: where'd you see those specs? On the apple website?
May 30 18:35:14 <summatusmentis> oh, nvm
May 30 18:35:30 <GAN800> Gettinf the password, rafl
May 30 18:35:38 <WorkingOnWise> nope, but several other sites do. They must be going on the cpu's capability and not the devices real configuration.
May 30 18:35:42 <GAN800> Yes, I'm running Diablo.
May 30 18:35:53 <rafl> GAN800: well, that was the easy part, i guess.
May 30 18:36:02 <WorkingOnWise> summatusmentis: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a8900
May 30 18:37:01 <rafl> GAN800: so you didn't do anything except for changing the repos to diablo and upgrade? i've seen people in here talking about modified initfs', but unfortunately i didn't pay too much attention. something like that isn't necessary?
May 30 18:37:13 <GAN800> Not really
May 30 18:37:21 <qwerty12_N800> initfs modification isn't necessary
May 30 18:37:23 <GAN800> Just don't flash the Diablo initfs
May 30 18:37:33 <qwerty12_N800> you cant
May 30 18:37:37 <GAN800> I have kernel, but not initfs
May 30 18:37:51 <rafl> allright then. thanks.
May 30 18:38:36 <qwerty12_N800> Don't flash the kernel though if you are using n810 though.
May 30 18:39:25 <rafl> that's not something that'll happen automatically when upgrading via apt, is it?
May 30 18:39:55 <qwerty12_N800> no because the  initfs stops flash-and-rebooyt
May 30 18:40:26 <rafl> ok!
May 30 18:40:30 <qwerty12_N800> but subsequent upgrades using ssu do flash kernel
May 30 18:40:56 <rafl> but they don't modify the initfs, do they?
May 30 18:41:02 <qwerty12_N800> no
May 30 18:41:18 <rafl> so I guess it will be easy to unbrick if anything happens.
May 30 18:41:36 <qwerty12_N800> usually initfs would be flashed but it's too  big atm
May 30 18:42:23 <RST38h> GAN: Done
May 30 18:42:29 <RST38h> GAN: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Talk:100Days#Mostly_Technical_Suggestions
May 30 18:45:11 <n800m> nice
May 30 18:47:44 <GAN800> RST38h, I'll go over it in a bit. Thanks!
May 30 18:48:21 <gnuton> Hi there
May 30 18:51:45 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried getting OpenMoko running on the N8x0 tablets?
May 30 18:52:42 <x_madbot> anyone know how to install packages on sb2?
May 30 18:53:49 <Navi> install packages?
May 30 18:56:16 <x_madbot> Navi: install deb packages inside a maemo rootstrap
May 30 18:59:30 <Navi> Never used sb2.  apt-get?
May 30 18:59:30 <x_madbot> Navi: if I can update the package list with "apt-get update", I should be able to install, don't you? :)
May 30 18:59:40 <rafl> i wonder why apt-get update says 'UNAUTHORIZED' for the diablo updates repo after adjusting the uri in the sources list to contain the username and password that works well with my browser and wget…
May 30 19:00:29 <n800m> i just learned an important lesson: hitting things CAN make them work
May 30 19:01:38 <summatusmentis> where do I find the echowb theme package?
May 30 19:05:35 <penguinbait> n800m = The Fonz
May 30 19:05:56 <penguinbait> guess I am slow
May 30 19:06:24 <penguinbait> <--- = potsy
May 30 19:07:34 <summatusmentis> well, found echowb, does anyone have gnumeric running?
May 30 19:08:18 <GAN8001> rafl, apt does the password a certain way, I believe.
May 30 19:08:41 <n800m> jean peer reset me
May 30 19:09:54 <penguinbait> http://www.ericasp.com/UserFiles/Image/Fonz.jpg
May 30 19:10:41 <n800m> hehe
May 30 19:12:53 <rafl> GAN8001: typo, sorry.
May 30 19:13:35 <n800m> http://helmer.sfe.se/
May 30 19:15:42 <rafl> wow… and i spend hundreds of euros on 19" racks :-)
May 30 19:15:45 <GAN8001> rafl, just make sure you have enough room if you're upgrading on the flash.
May 30 19:18:12 <rafl> GAN8001: i guess i won't do that given how slow that storage is.
May 30 19:21:29 <GAN8001> I symlinked the cache to mmc1 and just made sure I had about 100MB free.
May 30 19:21:42 <GAN8001> The documentation PDFs are what'll kill you.
May 30 19:22:55 <n800m> <mute> my ds pwn'd your n800 again
May 30 19:22:55 <n800m> :/
May 30 19:23:33 <GAN8001> Get back to me when DS browses YouTube. :p
May 30 19:23:33 <rafl> GAN8001: 100mb just for the cache and some temporary space for unpacking or 100mb additional to the downloaded packages?
May 30 19:23:49 <GAN8001> It was something like 70MB for the packages.
May 30 19:24:04 <GAN8001> Just symlink the cache on one of the cards
May 30 19:24:25 <GAN8001> Otherwise it'll just be "yeah, right, good luck with that." :P
May 30 19:25:02 <GAN8001> It'd be something like 140MB with cache and packages.
May 30 19:26:17 * GAN800 still hasn't gotten the guts to ty 21-4
May 30 19:26:25 <GAN800> s/ty/try/
May 30 19:28:14 <rafl> now what's that?
May 30 19:28:27 <GAN800> Latest Diablo image.
May 30 19:28:39 <rafl> oh, there's an image available already?
May 30 19:28:48 <GAN800> I'm still on 20-4
May 30 19:28:57 <GAN800> s/image/release/
May 30 19:29:12 <term-sig> it's for 800 or 810 ?
May 30 19:29:18 <GAN800> Both.
May 30 19:29:23 <GAN800> it's SSU
May 30 19:29:38 <rafl> i'm instaling what cataloge.tableteer.nokia.com/diablo or whatever it's called has currently.
May 30 19:29:43 <rafl> will that be 21-4?
May 30 19:29:58 <GAN800> Yes.
May 30 19:31:21 <n800m> penguinbait - on your KDE install, is there QT? does sound work?
May 30 19:31:47 <rafl> GAN8001: i'll net you know how it works out.
May 30 19:32:00 <summatusmentis> n800m: sound works
May 30 19:32:08 <summatusmentis> I don't know about QT
May 30 19:32:26 <n800m> are you running it?
May 30 19:32:37 <summatusmentis> I installed it last night, yeah
May 30 19:33:10 <n800m> i know it's slow, but other than that how do you feel about it?
May 30 19:33:12 <n800m> keeping it?
May 30 19:34:06 <summatusmentis> meh... it's kinda cool, but the slowness makes it sort of unusable for me
May 30 19:34:20 <summatusmentis> I'll keep it for a while, keep playing with it
May 30 19:35:02 <rafl> GAN8001: also apt is telling me that it wants to remove almost 900 packages to install 100 new ones and upgrade ~300. is that what's expected?
May 30 19:35:11 <n800m> would you consider installing a sound app to see if it's capable?
May 30 19:38:03 <GAN800> Yes, rafl
May 30 19:38:14 <GAN800> Mostly l10n stuff
May 30 19:38:41 <GAN800> They moved from one l10n per language per app to one per app.
May 30 19:39:05 <nn800n> :/
May 30 19:39:20 <nn800n> summatusmentis would you consider installing a sound app to see if it's capable?
May 30 19:39:35 <summatusmentis> nn800n: what do you mean? what sort of sound app?
May 30 19:39:48 <summatusmentis> it makes the kde login noise
May 30 19:40:14 <nn800n> not a player, something off kde-apps for music making
May 30 19:40:55 <summatusmentis> erm... I'm not sure how much space I have, hold on
May 30 19:41:11 <summatusmentis> is it bigger than 300M?
May 30 19:41:31 <nn800n> looking for a small one
May 30 19:42:00 <nn800n> hm i guess most are compiled for x86 tho
May 30 19:45:25 <GAN8001> RST38h, my initial reaction to your software aggregation website was negative (another problem-causing band-aid), but I like it as a sort of "test-bed" for ideas for the Application manager.
May 30 19:45:39 <GAN8001> Do you want to expound on that point a bit more for when I stick it on the main page?
May 30 19:49:29 <nn800n> summatusmentis thanks anyway, none of the apps i'm finding are compiled for ARM
May 30 19:49:51 <summatusmentis> nn800n: sure. You could try compiling it for arm
May 30 19:50:09 <nn800n> i'm not that good at that stuff
May 30 19:50:41 <nn800n> i can't find my own ass once i start tinkering with xterm
May 30 19:50:46 <nn800n> :/
May 30 19:50:50 <summatusmentis> learn it!
May 30 19:50:54 <summatusmentis> it's good for you
May 30 19:51:50 <summatusmentis> I'm loving the screen size on the n810, irssi works!
May 30 19:53:34 <nn800n> it's good for you if you can afford the time :/
May 30 19:53:57 <summatusmentis> well, you just need to stop working :)
May 30 19:55:12 * GAN8001 is checking his IMs through VNC from the N800.
May 30 19:55:15 <nn800n> hehe
May 30 19:55:16 <GAN8001> Fun stuff.
May 30 19:55:35 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: why not just run IM on the n800?
May 30 19:55:42 <GAN8001> I do
May 30 19:55:49 <GAN8001> But it's a different account on the desktop
May 30 19:55:58 <summatusmentis> ah.
May 30 19:56:09 <GAN8001> and I forgot to set an away message before I went out of town, so everybody's been messaging me up there. ;)
May 30 19:56:18 <summatusmentis> lol
May 30 19:56:28 <GAN8001> I suppose I could probably set something Jabber-related up to automate it all, but. . . .
May 30 19:57:11 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: because of you I ordered the boxwave screen protector... :)
May 30 19:58:00 <GAN8001> If only I got a commission. ;)
May 30 19:59:51 <summatusmentis> well, that, and I was tired of using the stylus
May 30 20:00:45 <GAN8001> Yeah, I pretty much never use the stylus anymore
May 30 20:01:01 <GAN8001> Maybe if I occasionally get pissed off trying to hit a link
May 30 20:01:10 <GAN8001> but 99% of the time it's thumbs/fingers
May 30 20:01:18 <summatusmentis> yeah
May 30 20:02:08 <summatusmentis> I need to clean my screen before I put the protector on though... it's got finger prints on it :)
May 30 20:03:44 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 30 20:03:48 <GAN8001> Damp cloth
May 30 20:03:51 <GAN8001> It'll come out fine.
May 30 20:03:59 <summatusmentis> :) good
May 30 20:04:02 <penguinbait> I just use my shirt
May 30 20:04:08 <penguinbait> but I'm a slob
May 30 20:04:27 <summatusmentis> that's what I've been doing, but then it builds up against the bevelled edge
May 30 20:04:39 <RST38h> Applying boxwave protector to N810 is difficult like hell
May 30 20:04:54 <penguinbait> grown the pinky nail out a little, you can get in there :)
May 30 20:05:00 <GAN8001> Need to do it in a clean room.
May 30 20:05:13 * RST38h almost got it but a few corners and two side spots did not stick
May 30 20:05:35 <RST38h> it is exactly the size of a window in the n810 front panel
May 30 20:05:57 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: any idea how to take off the front panel on the N810? is it just the two screws on the back?
May 30 20:05:59 <GAN8001> Is the N810's panel removable at all?
May 30 20:06:02 <GAN8001> lol
May 30 20:06:32 <summatusmentis> oh :)
May 30 20:07:51 <penguinbait> Anyone tried playing with this? (Google Gadgets for Linux 0.9.1)
May 30 20:08:37 <summatusmentis> not fo linx
May 30 20:09:02 <summatusmentis> linux... I tried it a little bit on linux, but I like my Word 2008 better than Google Doc
May 30 20:09:47 <penguinbait> Word 2008
May 30 20:09:49 <penguinbait> ?
May 30 20:10:03 <summatusmentis> yeah... on OS X
May 30 20:10:07 <penguinbait> ah
May 30 20:10:17 <summatusmentis> sorry, tried it a little bit on OS X
May 30 20:10:19 <summatusmentis> not linux
May 30 20:10:28 <summatusmentis> I can't talk today
May 30 20:10:30 <GAN8001> Looks a lot better than Word on Vista. :p
May 30 20:10:41 * GAN8001 just uses TextEdit or LaTeX
May 30 20:10:49 <penguinbait> pb hates apples
May 30 20:10:53 <summatusmentis> I don't know LaTeX
May 30 20:11:00 <penguinbait> I like oranges better
May 30 20:11:05 <summatusmentis> <3 my MacBook
May 30 20:11:20 <GAN8001> <3 citrus fruit
May 30 20:11:25 <GAN8001> Florida oranges are the best.
May 30 20:11:59 <GAN8001> I'd kill myself if I had to use a MacBook as a primary machine.
May 30 20:12:14 <GAN8001> The palm wrest kills my wrists.
May 30 20:13:08 <sjgadsby> ??? Your wrists shouldn't be rested on anything while typing.
May 30 20:13:28 <GAN8001> Ugh
May 30 20:13:32 <GAN8001> Tire my arms out
May 30 20:13:39 <GAN8001> I have wrist rests on all of my keyboards. :P
May 30 20:13:51 <sjgadsby> That's bad for your wrists.
May 30 20:14:03 <GAN8001> See: http://legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/setupfeb08.jpg
May 30 20:14:09 <GAN8001> Since when?
May 30 20:14:16 <GAN8001> I don't have any wrist troubles.
May 30 20:15:17 <summatusmentis> I rest one wrist :)
May 30 20:15:42 <GAN8001> My wrists aren't at an angle if that's what you're thinking, sjgadsby.
May 30 20:15:57 <sjgadsby> No, that's not it.
May 30 20:16:59 <crashanddie> hmm
May 30 20:17:08 <sjgadsby> From what I understand, wrist rests hold in warmth under the wrists and can cause inflammation of the tendons, etc.
May 30 20:18:31 <GAN8001> Interesting
May 30 20:18:59 <sjgadsby> If I recall correctly, open foam rests are less problematic than closed foam or gel.
May 30 20:19:40 <GAN8001> I don't experience any wrist troubles, and not having it sounds more immediately painful than having it. :P
May 30 20:19:44 <penguinbait> remember the first apple
May 30 20:19:46 <GAN8001> Hi, milhouse.
May 30 20:19:47 <penguinbait> http://docweb.cns.ufl.edu/update/u030504a/u030504a1.gif
May 30 20:20:05 <milhouse> hi gan8001
May 30 20:20:33 <sjgadsby> I used to have wrist troubles.
May 30 20:20:47 <milhouse> or should is ay General Antilles :)
May 30 20:20:50 <GAN8001> So did I, then I switched to Dvorak and added a wrist rest. :P
May 30 20:20:51 <milhouse> s/is/i/
May 30 20:20:51 <infobot> milhouse meant: or should i ay General Antilles :)
May 30 20:20:59 <milhouse> oh arse
May 30 20:21:00 <nn800n> anyone know if you can customize the keybindings in FBReader?
May 30 20:21:02 * GAN8001 is all incognito. :P
May 30 20:21:05 <sjgadsby> I use ergonomic, Dvorak keyboards now. And I don't MUD>
May 30 20:21:07 <GAN8001> milhouse, you get your shirt?
May 30 20:21:20 <milhouse> oh yes i did - i must thank timeless for that
May 30 20:21:24 <GAN8001> nn800n, it's in prefs
May 30 20:21:31 <GAN8001> Yeah, I was wearing mine the other day
May 30 20:21:34 <GAN8001> hot swag. :D
May 30 20:21:40 <milhouse> haven't had an oppurtunity to wear it yet - summer lasted about 2 days in the UK!
May 30 20:21:46 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 30 20:21:51 <nn800n> i don't think the prefs one do what i want
May 30 20:22:01 <GAN8001> Let's see . . . . it's 92°F out.
May 30 20:22:02 <GAN8001> urgh
May 30 20:22:12 <nn800n> wanted to replace the keys for scrolling pages from the -/+ to something else
May 30 20:22:12 <GAN8001> nn800n, it does everything
May 30 20:22:18 <GAN8001> rebinds everything
May 30 20:22:19 <milhouse> rain... rain... more rain
May 30 20:22:30 <GAN8001> orientation-specific bindings, too.
May 30 20:22:32 <milhouse> had flooding last night in parts of the country
May 30 20:22:37 <GAN8001> Fun
May 30 20:22:41 <milhouse> no doubt we've got water shortages as well
May 30 20:22:49 <GAN8001> We're droughting it up over here.
May 30 20:23:00 <GAN8001> Getting ready for the fires. :\
May 30 20:23:09 <milhouse> :(
May 30 20:23:24 <nn800n> i don't think so GAN8001
May 30 20:23:41 <milhouse> two posts from ari in two days - i don't think i can cope... too much communication!!
May 30 20:23:41 <GAN8001> http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/earth/pictures/modis/floridafires052501.jpg http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/images/florida-fires012501.jpg
May 30 20:23:47 <GAN8001> Fires are fun
May 30 20:23:58 <GAN8001> milhouse, he's depressingly disconnected, isn't he?
May 30 20:24:04 <GAN8001> nn800n, then look harder. ;)
May 30 20:24:06 <GAN8001> It's there, trust me.
May 30 20:24:26 * GAN8001 has a completely custom key setup from the prefs in FBReader.
May 30 20:24:53 <Navi> mmm
May 30 20:24:56 <GAN8001> We had a fire last summer
May 30 20:25:03 <GAN8001> Was up in northern Florida
May 30 20:25:11 <milhouse> i've just read the ubuntu post - he's possibly right about UI's and how open source struggle to produce anything amazing, but it's a bit rich coming from someone at Nokia
May 30 20:25:16 <GAN8001> flames came 350 miles south
May 30 20:25:18 <Navi> ga is an fbfreak
May 30 20:25:25 <GAN8001> s/flames/smoke/
May 30 20:25:26 <infobot> GAN8001 meant: smoke came 350 miles south
May 30 20:25:33 <GAN8001> Zero visibility from the smoke
May 30 20:25:36 <GAN8001> crazy stuff.
May 30 20:25:37 <milhouse> to clarify that last comment: "anything amazing in terms of UIs (compared with Apple etc.) on mobiles"
May 30 20:25:53 <GAN8001> Navi, I <3 FBReader. :P
May 30 20:26:06 <GAN8001> I remember installing it on the 770 way back when and having my moth drop open.
May 30 20:26:28 <Navi> s/amazing/ridiculously flashy/
May 30 20:26:42 <GAN8001> s/moth/mouth/
May 30 20:26:42 <infobot> GAN8001 meant: I remember installing it on the 770 way back when and having my mouth drop open.
May 30 20:27:07 <GAN8001> I almost killed myself trying to post from an iPhone yesterday
May 30 20:27:17 <GAN8001> People who say it's faster than MicroB don't have a clue.
May 30 20:27:26 <Navi> entranced by the "oooohhhh shiny"?
May 30 20:27:58 <GAN8001> milhouse, did you see?: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda
May 30 20:28:06 <nn800n> GAN8001 - i don't see it
May 30 20:28:33 <milhouse> GAN - reading the latest post now... yeah, he does seem pretty disconnected... he's banging on about open source and how bad closed source development is... wtf, doesn't he realise his own devices contain too much closed source code and for no good reason? :(
May 30 20:29:01 <milhouse> just catching up :)
May 30 20:29:11 <GAN8001> Be nice if we could swap him out with Quim. <_<
May 30 20:29:29 <GAN8001> nn800n, open up Preferences, go to the Keys tab.
May 30 20:29:36 <nn800n> yeah i'm there
May 30 20:29:43 <GAN8001> Tap the "Action for key" field
May 30 20:29:46 <GAN8001> press the key you want
May 30 20:29:49 <GAN8001> change the action
May 30 20:30:03 <milhouse> i think Ari is the detached big picture guy, whereas Quim is more in touch - I suppose you need both
May 30 20:30:06 <nn800n> oh sweetness
May 30 20:30:13 <nn800n> thanks
May 30 20:30:25 <GAN8001> I just wish Ari weren't so detached. :\
May 30 20:30:32 <GAN8001> From reality, that is.
May 30 20:30:39 <rafl> GAN8001: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/a-pleasant-surprise/ says do flash-and-reboot afterwards. is that something i want to do?
May 30 20:30:55 <milhouse> Gan: I wonder if he is as detached as he makes out... pretty remarkable if he is
May 30 20:31:03 <GAN8001> initfs will keep it from doing it, rafl.
May 30 20:31:07 <GAN8001> You on N800 or N810?
May 30 20:31:17 <rafl> 810
May 30 20:31:26 <GAN8001> rafl, then don't bother.
May 30 20:31:37 <GAN8001> Kernel is mostly just IPv6 and some WiMAX stuff
May 30 20:32:12 <rafl> in fact ipv6 would be pretty cool
May 30 20:32:19 <GAN8001> milhouse, CLOSED is for Nokia QA to set after the product with the fix is shipped.
May 30 20:32:43 <GAN8001> rafl, did you substitute rx34 for rx44?
May 30 20:32:56 <milhouse> GAN: reading the comments to the "ubuntu" post... is daniels no longer at nokia?
May 30 20:33:07 <GAN8001> Good question
May 30 20:33:12 <GAN8001> I was looking at his site
May 30 20:33:16 <GAN8001> Seems like it, but dunno.
May 30 20:33:22 <GAN8001> Gutsy comment.
May 30 20:33:51 <milhouse> Can't imagine he'd be saying that if he were still there - he always struck me as someone who wouldn't publicly criticise the product or colleagues...
May 30 20:33:53 <rafl> GAN8001: yo
May 30 20:33:55 <crashanddie> w00t
May 30 20:34:11 <crashanddie> Managed to get my algorithm working for finding prime numbers between 2 and 100M
May 30 20:34:17 <milhouse> GAN: re CLOSED, thanks.
May 30 20:34:36 <milhouse> Hopefully they'll follow up and close the bugs rather than leave them open
May 30 20:34:53 <GAN8001> rafl, N810 owners have reported non-bootable tablets with the Diablo kernel (requiring reflashing the kernel)
May 30 20:35:06 <GAN8001> You could try it, not hard to recover from, but there's not much need
May 30 20:35:16 <GAN8001> Just delete the initfs image and it'll only flash the kernel.
May 30 20:35:32 <GAN8001> milhouse, they've been pretty good at closing the resolved bugs in the past
May 30 20:35:54 <GAN8001> But getting the UNCONFIRMED/NEW/ASSIGNED bugs RESOLVED is a little harder.
May 30 20:36:10 <milhouse> Now that Andre seems to be on the case I hope the situation will improve
May 30 20:36:23 <milhouse> He's doing a pretty good job so far
May 30 20:36:28 <GAN8001> I hit about 2-dozen that were floating around from all the way back to 2006 and andre's been hitting a lot more.
May 30 20:36:36 <cpt_nemo> Hi.
May 30 20:36:37 <cpt_nemo> I have a problem with my N810. When it is turned on it starts booting and shows the white screen with NOKIA. The blue progress bar grows from the left all the way to the right. Then nothing happens for a while, the display is garbled for a moment and the device reboots.
May 30 20:36:44 <cpt_nemo> Does anyone know what is wrong here? The device worked fine this morning and I hadn't during the day. What can I do to get it working again?
May 30 20:36:44 <GAN8001> Yeah, andre___ and karsten are my new heros. :D
May 30 20:37:00 <milhouse> I'll go through all my bugs (comment or reporter) and review them once Diablo drops and bump them if there's no change, or close 'em
May 30 20:37:05 <GAN8001> cpt_nemo, watchdog is killing it.
May 30 20:37:09 <GAN8001> Reflash will fix it.
May 30 20:37:11 <milhouse> sorry, ask ask for them to be closed by Nokia QA :)
May 30 20:37:13 <cpt_nemo> hadn't _used_ it I meant.
May 30 20:37:23 <cpt_nemo> GAN8001: I suspected something like that.
May 30 20:37:32 <Cptnodegard> ffs nickalert -___-
May 30 20:37:53 <GAN8001> Haha, Cptnodegard Cptnodegard Cptnodegard. :P
May 30 20:37:58 <GAN8001> You just can't win, can you? :D
May 30 20:38:34 <GAN8001> milhouse, I was chatting with Karsten/guenther about the finally getting the guided submission form in place.
May 30 20:38:48 <cpt_nemo> How well does it charge the battery while it is stuck in this reboot loop?
May 30 20:38:57 <GAN8001> Maybe the stupid "REPRODUCIBILITY: (always/sometimes/once) always" will finally go away.
May 30 20:39:13 <rafl> GAN8001: you're saying that n810 owners have had problems with the diablo kernel but you also say that i should delete the initfs. that'd mean that i'd be running the diablo kernel with the chinook initfs.
May 30 20:39:29 <rafl> GAN8001: i can't make sense out of that.
May 30 20:39:29 <jukey> cpt_nemo: is there enough energy left in the batteries?
May 30 20:39:31 <milhouse> heh yeah... and does it still add the browser details?
May 30 20:39:33 <GAN8001> rafl, that's what I'm doing.
May 30 20:39:43 <cpt_nemo> I'm asking because the battery is empty and the manuals say to only reflash once the battery is fully charged.
May 30 20:39:46 <GAN8001> Diablo really isn't a large change over Chinook.
May 30 20:39:49 <milhouse> what's the point of adding my desktop browser details when i'm posting about a bug in my tablet??
May 30 20:39:51 <cpt_nemo> jukey: How much is "enough"?
May 30 20:39:56 <rafl> GAN8001: so is rm /usr/share/osso/images/initfs.jffs2 what i should do before doing flash-and-reboot?
May 30 20:39:58 <GAN8001> milhouse, who knows.
May 30 20:40:05 <GAN8001> Right, rafl.
May 30 20:40:22 <rafl> GAN8001: so the n810 users have had problems with the initfs, not the kernel?
May 30 20:40:57 <GAN8001> Nobody can flash the initfs that I know of, rafl.
May 30 20:41:03 <GAN8001> It's too big.
May 30 20:41:15 <GAN8001> N810 users seem to have trouble with the kernel
May 30 20:41:18 <rafl> ok then. i'll delete it and flash the kernel. right?
May 30 20:41:19 <GAN8001> N800 users don't.
May 30 20:41:23 <GAN8001> Right.
May 30 20:41:30 <rafl> ok. thanks!
May 30 20:41:31 <GAN8001> It wont let you flash either with the initfs there.
May 30 20:41:40 <jukey> cpt_nemo:  not sure but yesterday i had the same problem and after using the power adapter there where no problems
May 30 20:41:43 <GAN8001> So you gotta delete it to get flash-and-reboot to do it's thing.
May 30 20:42:11 <cpt_nemo> jukey: So you reflashed while the power adapter was connected?
May 30 20:42:34 <milhouse> i must say the Android demos are looking pretty slick
May 30 20:43:56 <jukey> cpt_nemo: no
May 30 20:44:03 <rafl> GAN8001: ok, i think i fucked it up.
May 30 20:44:19 <Navi> android demos look _okay_
May 30 20:44:26 <rafl> GAN8001: at least it seems to reboot in a loop
May 30 20:44:50 <Navi> more flair than functionality
May 30 20:44:53 <GAN8001> Flash the kernel from the Chinook image.
May 30 20:45:03 <jukey> cpt_nemo: i thougth the software is broken but it only was not enough power to boot the device, it sounds like your decription
May 30 20:45:19 <milhouse> well, they're looking better in beta than maemo after 3 releases let's put it that way - touchscreen looks to be quite sensitive, web page scrolling looks responsive, generally quite well integrated...
May 30 20:45:29 <GAN8001> rafl ./flasher-3.0 -F <51-3 FIASCO image> --flash-only=kernel -R
May 30 20:45:53 <cpt_nemo> jukey: Ah, but the same happens on mine when it is connected to the power adapter.
May 30 20:45:56 <GAN8001> milhouse, you wouldn't happen to have a crazy-stupid memory for dates and or version numbers relating to old releases of ITOS, would you?
May 30 20:45:59 <milhouse> GAN: though obviously I'd never dream of trying to compare Maemo with a phone... :)
May 30 20:46:08 <rafl> GAN8001: FIASCO image?
May 30 20:46:22 <milhouse> GAN: Probably - I have them all and typically downloaded on the day of release... which version?
May 30 20:46:28 <GAN8001> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeneralAntilles/Sandbox
May 30 20:46:33 <GAN8001> That needs filing out.
May 30 20:46:39 <GAN8001> Particularly OS2005
May 30 20:47:02 <GAN8001> rafl, the .bin from tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
May 30 20:47:11 <rafl> GAN8001: Desktop/RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin?
May 30 20:47:26 <GAN8001> Yes, that, rafl.
May 30 20:47:33 * Cymor is back (gone 16:36:17)
May 30 20:47:40 <jukey> cpt_nemo: okay, then i don't had an other idea than to reflash the tablet but sombody with more experience maybe would hav a better ides
May 30 20:47:42 <jukey> idea
May 30 20:47:55 <cpt_nemo> jukey: Thanks.
May 30 20:48:11 <RST38h> Fear-mongering hacks at The Daily Mail have been caught mistaking footage from a popular video game series as proof of al-Qaeda's "terrifying vision" for a nuclear attack on Washington.
May 30 20:48:19 <milhouse> 2.2005.45 is missing - I appear to have downloaded that on 21 Nov 2005
May 30 20:48:40 <GAN8001> Build number?
May 30 20:48:48 <milhouse> SU-18_2.2005.45_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
May 30 20:49:01 <GAN8001> Call it -1. ;)
May 30 20:49:42 <milhouse> 3.2005.51-13 I downloaded on 31 Dec 2005 at 20:44 (I obviously didn't celebrate New Years Eve that year...!)
May 30 20:49:49 <sjgadsby> Is there a way of browsing profiles on maemo.org?
May 30 20:49:58 <rafl> GAN8001: hrm. now it displays the nokia logo for a while and shuts down.
May 30 20:50:21 <milhouse> rafl: if you have any memory cards installed, remove them before booting (sometimes helps)
May 30 20:50:38 <rafl> i just have the internal card installed right now
May 30 20:50:57 <milhouse> 5.2006.13-7 I have a download date of 23 Apr 2006 - is that right?
May 30 20:51:19 <milhouse> the wiki says Feb 2006
May 30 20:51:31 <GAN8001> sjgadsby, I always go http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil.html and just change the url.
May 30 20:51:41 <GAN8001> milhouse, most of the dates are complete fabrications. ;)
May 30 20:51:56 <sjgadsby> Yeah, that's what I've resorted to as well, GAN8001.
May 30 20:51:59 <milhouse> :)
May 30 20:52:21 <GAN8001> sjgadsby, bug X-Fade about it when he gets back from LinuxTag
May 30 20:52:33 <GAN8001> He'll either have a hot profile page for you to use or put it on his TODO
May 30 20:52:44 <sjgadsby> Okay, thanks.
May 30 20:52:53 <nikosapi> does it make sense that the latest OS 2008 doesn't come with python?
May 30 20:53:00 <GAN8001> nikosapi, yes.
May 30 20:53:16 <nikosapi> oh
May 30 20:53:50 <nikosapi> iirc the original firmware had python, could that be?
May 30 20:54:37 <GAN8001> No, nikosapi.
May 30 20:54:47 <GAN8001> Something you installed pulled it in.
May 30 20:55:09 <Navi>  not everyone needs python.  You can always install it yourself.
May 30 20:55:15 <nikosapi> ah cool
May 30 20:55:30 <nikosapi> thanks
May 30 21:03:49 <GAN8001> milhouse, I found this one particularly hilarious: http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-inside-nokia-interview.html
May 30 21:04:00 <milhouse> GAN: http://pastebin.ca/1034410
May 30 21:04:31 <GAN8001> Oh, nice.
May 30 21:04:33 <GAN8001> Thanks!
May 30 21:04:33 <milhouse> Can't say it's 100% accurate - one I know I downloaded about 2-3 weeks after release, think it was one of the N800/OS2008 releases
May 30 21:04:48 <GAN8001> Better than nothing.
May 30 21:04:56 <GAN8001> My citation will read: "milhouse sez"
May 30 21:04:59 <milhouse> :)
May 30 21:07:47 <milhouse> blimey, that bloke with thoughtfix doesn't look like the picture on Ari's blog!!
May 30 21:07:51 <milhouse> it's an imposter!
May 30 21:07:55 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 30 21:09:19 <GAN8001> Now I just need the notes filed in.
May 30 21:09:27 <GAN8001> I guess I'll just put it up for now, though
May 30 21:09:31 <GAN8001> Since those aren't critical.
May 30 21:11:45 <milhouse> it's funny how Ari talks about things improving, I've actually stopped using my tablets due to problems with microb - i think the 770 was more reliable. i get too self concious using my N810 now on a crowded train, with people looking over my shoulder while I prod a link up to 10 times before the device responds...
May 30 21:12:30 <milhouse> i really don't give a rats arse about new features and technology anymore - just fix the god damned basic functionality! :)
May 30 21:12:45 <milhouse> (then you can add the new features)
May 30 21:13:13 <GAN8001> Yeah, I know what you mean (though I don't have too much trouble with MicroB),
May 30 21:13:25 <milhouse> i browse on my shitty sony ericsson phone now - why? because the touchscreen and browser works when i click on a link...
May 30 21:14:00 <GAN8001> A large amount of the nonsense can be blamed on the touchscreen hardware. :\
May 30 21:14:06 <GAN8001> I hope they use a real panel for the next tablet.
May 30 21:14:18 <milhouse> GAN: the touchscreen on my device is really bad - the touchscreen has been a perenial problem on the N8x0 range
May 30 21:14:37 <GAN8001> My two N800s aren't bad.
May 30 21:14:45 <GAN8001> I've seen enough people with troubles, though. . . .
May 30 21:14:59 <milhouse> GAN: Mine are OK, but when it comes to hitting a small link with my finger - no chance
May 30 21:15:11 <milhouse> even using the stylus is tricky
May 30 21:15:22 <MangoFusion_> not as bad as, say, running scummvm on an iphone. now that was bad
May 30 21:15:24 <milhouse> and I know I'm hitting it, the browser just doesn't respond...
May 30 21:15:40 <GAN8001> I hate fingering a link and having the pointer roll off as I lift my finger.
May 30 21:15:49 <milhouse> "Mine are OK" - but could (should) be better
May 30 21:16:14 <GAN8001> It would do the platform a would of good to have a device with a decent touch panel
May 30 21:16:25 <milhouse> GAN: that's why i was impressed by the Android demo, the UI and page scrolling looks pretty good. I wish it were as good on the N8x0's
May 30 21:16:25 <GAN8001> s/would/world
May 30 21:16:54 <milhouse> Nokia can't stuff up the hardware with the next device - the video hardware AND touchscreen is bolloxed on the N8x0
May 30 21:17:22 <milhouse> get both of those right and they're in with a chance of developing a nice UI
May 30 21:17:37 <GAN8001> OK, it's up, thanks milhouse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Release_Table
May 30 21:17:38 <MangoFusion_> ...but it runs linux. that pretty much negates the dodgy hardware, right? ;)
May 30 21:17:53 <GAN8001> If only, MangoFusion_.
May 30 21:18:08 <texel> MangoFusion_: So does Android... =o)
May 30 21:18:14 <milhouse> GAN: Cool - OS 2007 looking much better :)
May 30 21:18:22 <MangoFusion_> now you've got me there. oh well
May 30 21:18:25 <MangoFusion_> we're all doomed
May 30 21:18:28 <MangoFusion_> :P
May 30 21:18:52 <jeroin> i like fingering
May 30 21:19:31 <qwerty12_N800> ?
May 30 21:19:44 <GAN8001> Who doesn't, jeroin. :P
May 30 21:20:48 <jeroin> you said you hated :p
May 30 21:21:15 <RST38h> nothing negates dodgy hardware
May 30 21:21:31 <texel> RST38h: hear, hear!
May 30 21:21:31 * GAN8001 never uses the stylus.
May 30 21:21:50 <GAN8001> jeroin, I hate the touchscreen moving the point as I lift my finger off it. ;)
May 30 21:21:52 <RST38h> GAN <--- must have Dracula-sized nails
May 30 21:22:02 * qwerty12_N800 always uses the  stylus
May 30 21:22:09 <GAN8001> RST38h, don't forget to sign your comments. (~~~~)
May 30 21:22:10 <jeroin> a friend of me once said, spinning vinyl is like fingering pussy
May 30 21:22:13 * texel toggles
May 30 21:22:18 <qwerty12_N800> lol
May 30 21:22:21 * RST38h tried fingers, failed, uses stylus now
May 30 21:22:37 <texel> Spinning vinyl? O.o
May 30 21:22:44 <RST38h> GAN: 1:21am + friday + I am lazy.
May 30 21:22:56 <GAN8001> S'ok, I'll sign it manually. :P
May 30 21:23:10 <RST38h> Actually, I started on that installer center UI
May 30 21:23:18 <texel> On second thought, don't answer that question.
May 30 21:23:19 <RST38h> Did not finish - too much other work unfortunately
May 30 21:23:20 <texel> I don't want to know.
May 30 21:23:23 * GAN8001 should get a signbot together for maemowiki
May 30 21:23:34 <RST38h> GAN: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/
May 30 21:23:35 <jeroin> i guess it depends on how big your fingers are :)
May 30 21:23:37 <RST38h> Take a look
May 30 21:23:41 <GAN8001> texel, dj scratching.
May 30 21:23:46 <texel> Ah.
May 30 21:23:51 <jeroin> iirc the older you become the thicker they get
May 30 21:24:13 <GAN8001> Looking good, but rob some of the maemo icons.
May 30 21:24:18 <jeroin> beatmatching, scratching..
May 30 21:24:27 <RST38h> GAN: Icons are not important
May 30 21:24:40 <RST38h> The more important thing is that there is still no code behind this page
May 30 21:24:48 <jeroin> the one thing i've been quite unsuccessful with, is microb scrolling using the scrollbars + finger (or even with stylus)
May 30 21:25:05 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, Nice but it would be nice if riight os version was chosen on user agent :)
May 30 21:25:27 <GAN8001> jeroin, it's much better in the svn.
May 30 21:25:27 <jeroin> whoever decided to make those scrollbars thin instead of as thick as the top statusbar and other normal icons deserves to be slapped :)
May 30 21:26:10 <jeroin> great i can wait then=]
May 30 21:26:22 <GAN8001> jeroin, you don't have to.
May 30 21:26:42 <GAN8001> jeroin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677
May 30 21:26:49 <RST38h> qwerty: the code is not there
May 30 21:26:57 <RST38h> qwerty: But you are welcome to write it =)
May 30 21:27:07 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, not me :p :)
May 30 21:27:45 <GAN8001> planet still down
May 30 21:27:54 <GAN8001> Those bastards are probably all smashed. . . .
May 30 21:28:13 <qwerty12_N800> heh
May 30 21:28:32 <qwerty12_N800> GAN8001, Gonna smash them?
May 30 21:28:51 <jeroin> hmm..
May 30 21:29:12 <jeroin> This one's the tricky one. It conflicts with libgtkmozembed and to replace it, you'll have to remove components of the browser that you can't reinstall from repos (I couldn't find them, at least).
May 30 21:29:17 <GAN8001> Nah, plane tickets to Germany are expensive, and I'm not sure how they'd feel about me bringing my Louisville as carry-on.
May 30 21:29:29 <milhouse> Planet ok here
May 30 21:29:31 <GAN8001> jeroin, it's not hard.
May 30 21:29:44 <GAN8001> This one here, milhouse? http://planet.maemo.org/
May 30 21:30:02 <qwerty12_N800> Earth is working. atm...
May 30 21:30:03 <jeroin> there is some way to make a .deb out of an installed deb package on system
May 30 21:30:11 <milhouse> i stand corrected - yep that's down :) I was looking at this one http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/
May 30 21:30:25 <GAN8001> So I figured. :P
May 30 21:30:49 <milhouse> how many planets do we need???
May 30 21:30:54 <GAN8001> itT is so ridiculously bloated.
May 30 21:31:05 <GAN8001> well, downloads.maemo.org and maemo.org/downloads
May 30 21:31:11 <GAN8001> so . . . as many as possible?
May 30 21:31:29 <milhouse> maybe Henri can sort it out - or is it Niels?
May 30 21:31:45 <milhouse> whoever is responsible for infra should do some pruning... :)
May 30 21:31:53 <GAN8001> Probably Niels these days.
May 30 21:31:55 <RST38h> A Taiwan man grieving over the death of his girlfriend climbed inside a morgue freezer to be with her and was only pulled out alive half an hour later.
May 30 21:32:08 <qwerty12_N800> o.0
May 30 21:32:47 <milhouse> This was rather special: "A woman has been arrested in Japan for sneaking into a man's house and living in his wardrobe without him knowing." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7426950.stm
May 30 21:33:29 <milhouse> She can live in my wardrobe as long as she does the ironing and hoovering
May 30 21:33:40 <balrog-kun> hey, what's an easy way to take pictures with the N810 camera and save to files? (yes i know the quality will not be worth it)
May 30 21:34:12 <RST38h> milhouse: But it wasn't a freezer!
May 30 21:34:23 <RST38h> And the old fart was alive!
May 30 21:34:23 <GAN8001> balrog-kun, with one of the camera applications?
May 30 21:34:30 <GAN8001> Camera, gps-camera, etc.
May 30 21:34:45 <milhouse> Maybe he should have waited until they cremated her...
May 30 21:34:56 <RST38h> umgh
May 30 21:35:14 <RST38h> at this optimistic suggestion, I am leaving you and going to bed.
May 30 21:35:17 <balrog-kun> GAN8001: is there one that is supposed to be on my device already?
May 30 21:35:26 <GAN8001> No, balrog-kun.
May 30 21:35:28 <milhouse> night night :)
May 30 21:35:31 <qwerty12_N800> camera-test...
May 30 21:35:35 <GAN8001> But there should be a bunch in Extras.
May 30 21:35:38 <GAN8001> Later, RST38h.
May 30 21:35:40 <qwerty12_N800> night RST38h
May 30 21:35:45 <jeroin> anyone here using vpn on the n8x0?
May 30 21:35:47 <balrog-kun> GAN8001: okays, i'll get one of these, thanks
May 30 21:35:55 <balrog-kun> and check out camera-test too
May 30 21:36:27 * qwerty12_N800 recommends getting a camera app that uses dbus
May 30 21:37:24 <qwerty12_N800> actually for n810, it makes no difference about dbus
May 30 21:37:44 <GAN8001> I so need one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2535894759/in/pool-beagleboard
May 30 21:38:50 <drwx> hi, I want to do a program that record the signal from the sound card
May 30 21:39:33 <jeroin> if i understand correctly, vpnc won't work when the other side runs openvpn/freeswan/isakmpd?
May 30 21:39:50 <drwx> on my computer I just did :
May 30 21:39:52 <drwx> if ((fd_audio = open ("/dev/audio", O_WRONLY)) < 0) {
May 30 21:40:08 <qwerty12_N800> jeroin, no afaik
May 30 21:40:08 <drwx> then read (fd_file, buf, sizeof(buf))
May 30 21:40:21 <qwerty12_N800> vpnc's for cisco stuff
May 30 21:40:22 <drwx> but it dont work on my N810
May 30 21:40:28 <drwx> can you helpme
May 30 21:40:46 <balrog-kun> drwx: O_WRONLY?
May 30 21:41:05 <balrog-kun> that isn't supposed to let you read() from it
May 30 21:41:48 <jeroin> right so openvpn is probably necessary
May 30 21:41:48 <drwx> the problem is that /dev/audio does not exist on maemo
May 30 21:41:55 <GAN8001> milhouse, you see the LinuxTag stuff?
May 30 21:42:19 <drwx> sorry it's O_RDONLY
May 30 21:42:33 <drwx> but it dont work on N810
May 30 21:42:51 <milhouse> GAN: Not yet.... still playing catchup
May 30 21:43:10 <jeroin> or perhaps ssh -w that seems also interesting
May 30 21:43:14 <drwx> there is no /de/audio or /dev/dsp on N810 how can I do?
May 30 21:43:49 <GAN8001> Aside from Quim's presentation, this was the other nice bit: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf
May 30 21:45:04 <qwerty12_N800> ta for that, should be useful when packaging
May 30 21:45:24 * qwerty12_N800 should upload some of my stuff to extras
May 30 21:47:41 <milhouse> i like section 2.2... maybe packages with non-standard sections should not be listed
May 30 21:47:47 <milhouse> in application manager
May 30 21:48:00 <milhouse> that would stop people bastardising the sections
May 30 21:48:01 <jeroin> is there a way to let microb remember passwords?
May 30 21:48:14 <GAN8001> The thread on -developers about sections a month or two ago cracked me up.
May 30 21:48:31 <GAN8001> "U WILLLL NOT TOUCH MAH PACKAGES!!!!!"
May 30 21:48:39 <milhouse> :)
May 30 21:48:50 <GAN8001> Then put them in the right goddam section.
May 30 21:48:53 <milhouse> what's the latest on packages and peer reviews etc... any progress>?
May 30 21:49:04 <GAN8001> X-Fade is doing some amazing work
May 30 21:49:09 <GAN8001> You saw the auto-builder?
May 30 21:49:15 <GAN8001> I think we're getting closer
May 30 21:49:17 <milhouse> I haven't seen it, no
May 30 21:49:18 <GAN8001> but not there yet.
May 30 21:49:25 <GAN8001> OK, there's an auto-builder.
May 30 21:49:36 <GAN8001> (also mentioned in -developers)
May 30 21:49:38 <milhouse> that's good to hear that progress is being made
May 30 21:50:20 <GAN8001> milhouse, my feeling is that things are finally starting to look up. :)
May 30 21:50:29 <milhouse> i'm getting that impression too :)
May 30 21:50:44 <milhouse> the increased bugzilla activity, auto-builders - maybe it's not too late :)
May 30 21:50:55 <GAN8001> With X-Fade on the website/Extras, dneary on docs and the wiki (mediawiki is a godsend) and andre and karsten on bugzilla. . . .
May 30 21:51:17 <GAN8001> Communication-wise things are looking up, too
May 30 21:51:25 <GAN8001> You heard about the #maemo-meeting?
May 30 21:51:29 <milhouse> yeah - i see Quim has just filed another blog post
May 30 21:51:39 <milhouse> meeting - nooo... do tell! :)
May 30 21:51:45 <GAN8001> We're scheduling monthly IRC discussions with Quim
May 30 21:51:53 <Jaffa> ev'ning
May 30 21:51:59 <GAN8001> http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html
May 30 21:52:01 <GAN8001> Hey, Jaffa
May 30 21:52:02 <milhouse> ah yes, I saw the last log (about 3 days after it happened) - very good
May 30 21:52:09 <milhouse> is there a regular date?
May 30 21:52:14 <GAN8001> Not yet
May 30 21:52:28 <GAN8001> I imagine things will get pounded out after LinuxTag is entirely wrapped up.
May 30 21:52:37 * Jaffa is slightly concerned that the 2010 agenda's focus is too narrow from qgil's comment on the talk page
May 30 21:52:42 <GAN8001> I'm going to poke X-Fade about it when he gets back.
May 30 21:53:11 <GAN8001> Jaffa, I pulled the software requests off into a separate article.
May 30 21:53:23 <GAN8001> Dinner, bbiab
May 30 21:53:27 <Jaffa> Oh, and from p.m.o, do we know what Simon (nomis? lardman?) said at LinuxTag about suggestions?
May 30 21:53:43 <Jaffa> GAN8001: yeah, I saw. Good job.
May 30 21:54:29 <milhouse> Quim's going to upload his LinuxTag speech - I wonder what he sounds like? :-)
May 30 21:55:09 * Jaffa goes to get ready for bed. Mmmm, hotel bathrooms with missus & Jaffa Jr. asleep in the main room.
May 30 21:55:26 <qwerty12_N800> Like any Spanish  person  does after living in Finland? :p
May 30 21:55:48 <milhouse> My imagination is not that vivid!
May 30 21:56:07 <milhouse> I'm expecting "odd" :)
May 30 21:58:10 <milhouse> Jaffa Jr? So you're not seedless then... ;)
May 30 22:01:32 <GAN8001> Haha
May 30 22:01:38 <GAN8001> Nothing yet, Jaffa.
May 30 22:01:55 <GAN8001> I think they'll all getting smashed tonight.
May 30 22:02:23 <GAN8001> milhouse, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/033286.html
May 30 22:02:34 <qwerty12_N800> Or  following signpost to brothel... :p
May 30 22:03:11 <milhouse> GAN: Thanks
May 30 22:03:16 <Jaffa> milhouse: definitely not :)
May 30 22:03:32 <GAN8001> While I'm throwing things at you, this too: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161
May 30 22:03:48 <Jaffa> anyway, g'night: cousin's wedding tomorrow; but should be around in the morning
May 30 22:03:56 <GAN8001> Have fun. :)
May 30 22:03:57 <qwerty12_N800> night
May 30 22:04:07 <milhouse> night jaffa
May 30 22:05:17 <GAN8001> There've been some good discussions in the past month or two on maemo-developers, milhouse, so I'd be sure to poke through the archives.
May 30 22:05:41 <milhouse> i've got lots of catching up to do on maemo-developers
May 30 22:05:55 <GAN8001> Not so much on -users, though. ;)
May 30 22:06:06 <milhouse> checks thunderbird... 309 undread messages in dev, 237 in users :)
May 30 22:06:14 <milhouse> s/undread/unread/
May 30 22:06:14 <infobot> milhouse meant: checks thunderbird... 309 unread messages in dev, 237 in users :)
May 30 22:06:35 <GAN8001> dreaded unread
May 30 22:06:58 <milhouse> indeed "mark thread as read" will come in handy :)
May 30 22:07:23 <GAN8001> Ha . . . can't install Rhapsody on Diablo because no osso-ic.
May 30 22:07:46 <GAN8001> These 3rd-party non-free apps pick weird dependencies.
May 30 22:08:35 <qwerty12_N800> GAN8001, If you really want it, i'll mod it tomorrow
May 30 22:08:46 <GAN8001> Nah, not worried about it.
May 30 22:09:12 * qwerty12_N800 has never used rhapsody. uk... :/
May 30 22:09:14 <GAN8001> I've just had a Jack Johnson song stuck in my head for the past 2 hours and was thinking how nice it'd be to pull it up on the tablet and flush it. :D
May 30 22:10:00 <qwerty12_N800> youtube it :)
May 30 22:10:16 <qwerty12_N800> flash performance is nice on diablo with youtube
May 30 22:10:28 <GAN8001> I'll just use the web client.
May 30 22:11:16 <rafl> GAN8001: without flashing the kernel or the initfs it seems to work
May 30 22:11:31 <GAN8001> Yeah, like I said, there's not much new in either
May 30 22:12:10 <qwerty12_N800> most of the new stuff in diablo initfs is only applicable to 810w
May 30 22:13:00 <qwerty12_N800> although it does seem to have a fix for that /dev/urandom bug posted on bugzilla (but 810w only)
May 30 22:13:33 <qwerty12_N800> although with some linuxrc changes, shouldn't be much work for to run it on n800
May 30 22:14:11 <GAN8001> I should get avahi setup on mine. . . .
May 30 22:14:48 * qwerty12_N800 set it up only to realise i have no macs :/
May 30 22:15:11 <qwerty12_N800> except for an old osx86 dvd i have...
May 30 22:16:58 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 30 22:17:05 <GAN8001> I have lots and lots and lots. :P
May 30 22:17:24 <rafl> ok. now where to get agps-ui for armel?
May 30 22:17:37 <GAN8001> Should be in Extras. . . .
May 30 22:17:38 <GAN8001> Or somewhere
May 30 22:17:43 <qwerty12_N800> I should try one, using a macbook with only 1 mouse button put me off
May 30 22:17:46 <GAN8001> It's right in my application manager.
May 30 22:17:55 <qwerty12_N800> should be in certified
May 30 22:18:02 <GAN8001> qwerty12_N800, two fingers + click = right click
May 30 22:18:14 <milhouse> so what's with wiki.maemo.org - has midgard been given the heave-ho?
May 30 22:18:22 <qwerty12_N800> GAN8001, ah
May 30 22:18:36 <GAN8001> milhouse, yes
May 30 22:18:36 <qwerty12_N800> milhouse, hopefully. midgard sucks
May 30 22:18:46 <GAN8001> dneary and Navi are working on the wikireorg
May 30 22:18:47 <milhouse> HURRAH!!!! HOOO-FECKING-RAHHHH!!!! :)
May 30 22:18:54 <GAN8001> Going through all the old pages
May 30 22:19:14 <GAN8001> Once they get everything sorted, it'll get moved over
May 30 22:19:22 <milhouse> oh joy - i may even try editing some pages in future... i couldn't face doing it in midgard
May 30 22:19:25 <GAN8001> I'm waiting on that to get down to the real work on mediawiki
May 30 22:19:35 <GAN8001> milhouse, mediawiki is a thing of beauty
May 30 22:19:48 <GAN8001> Look at how much better it is already: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days
May 30 22:19:57 <milhouse> agreed... whereas midgard well, let's just say it wasn't
May 30 22:19:57 <qwerty12_N800> why was midgard chosen in the 1st place?
May 30 22:20:00 <GAN8001> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page
May 30 22:20:26 <milhouse> qwerty: to be fair, i think we were to blame for midgard - quim asked for feedback, didn't get much
May 30 22:20:36 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 30 22:20:37 <qwerty12_N800> heh
May 30 22:20:44 <milhouse> so they went with it
May 30 22:20:54 <GAN8001> No matter, the future's bright. :D
May 30 22:21:16 <qwerty12_N800> dneary & X-Fade are proving to be real assets
May 30 22:21:24 <milhouse> yep, andre/guenther, auto-builder and now mediawiki
May 30 22:21:43 <GAN8001> All four of them are major badasses.
May 30 22:22:29 * qwerty12_N800  would be interested in editing software pages on the new wiki  when it's created
May 30 22:22:33 <GAN8001> and as they and Quim are always at pains to point out, they're here for the community.
May 30 22:22:43 <qwerty12_N800> just got to polish up my grammar
May 30 22:23:30 <GAN8001> dneary was saying something about software on the maemo wiki. . . .
May 30 22:23:36 <GAN8001> I meant to ask him for clarification about it.
May 30 22:23:41 * GAN8001 puts it on the list.
May 30 22:26:59 <GAN8001> "I wonder though if all we are happy and on the same page about a basic question: what is and what should be the target audience of maemo.org? Who makes this community?"
May 30 22:27:05 <GAN8001> No, we're probably not.
May 30 22:30:10 <jeroin> wow, hamachi seems to be quite an easy way to set up a vpn
May 30 22:36:19 <jeroin> great to evade vodafone who block voip=]
May 30 22:39:12 <gnuSnob> jeroin: what are you using for a vpn client?
May 30 22:51:12 <jeroin> nothing yet, i'm configuring hamachi tho
May 30 23:01:06 * Cymor is away: afk
May 31 00:05:08 <sidnei> hello everyone
May 31 00:05:31 <sidnei> i just bought a used n810 and managed to lock it, and i don't have the unlock code :(
May 31 00:05:44 <sidnei> is there a way to perform a hard reset on it? i don't care if all the data is erased
May 31 00:06:30 <NullM0dem> pull the battery maybe i dunno, you could reflash i think
May 31 00:06:41 <towo> flashing the image might work.
May 31 00:06:42 <GAN8001> No
May 31 00:06:44 <GAN8001> No
May 31 00:06:48 <towo> No?
May 31 00:06:49 <GAN8001> Flashing wont do anything
May 31 00:06:55 <GAN8001> Get the lock code from the last owner
May 31 00:07:00 <GAN8001> Once you're locked you're stuck.
May 31 00:07:05 <GAN8001> It's on the config partition
May 31 00:07:09 <sidnei> he says he never changed it :(
May 31 00:07:19 <GAN8001> Try 12345?
May 31 00:07:20 <towo> … which flashing kills
May 31 00:07:26 <GAN8001> No, towo
May 31 00:07:32 <sidnei> tried that, and 012345
May 31 00:07:42 <towo> four oughts?
May 31 00:07:55 <GAN8001> Default is 12345
May 31 00:08:01 <GAN8001> Could be anything since he changed it.
May 31 00:08:09 <GAN8001> sidnei, there may be a thread on itT
May 31 00:08:16 <GAN8001> Search for "lock code"
May 31 00:08:17 <rm_you> what? flashing always reset mine
May 31 00:08:27 <GAN8001> rm_you, not here. :\
May 31 00:08:27 <rm_you> I thought
May 31 00:08:32 <rm_you> it's worth a shot
May 31 00:08:41 <rm_you> I swear every time I flash it resets my lock code
May 31 00:08:45 <balrog-kun> what kind of lock is that?
May 31 00:08:51 <rm_you> a lame one?
May 31 00:08:52 * balrog-kun never saw any such option
May 31 00:08:53 <rm_you> >_>
May 31 00:09:13 <balrog-kun> i.e. like a screensaver locking your screen or something?
May 31 00:09:18 <rm_you> it's really only useful to keep roommates from picking it up and messing with it randomly
May 31 00:09:27 <rm_you> balrog-kun: yes, it's in the control panel thing
May 31 00:09:28 <rm_you> hardware lock
May 31 00:09:43 <GAN8001> sidnei, well, try flashing
May 31 00:09:46 <GAN8001> That's never worked for me
May 31 00:09:47 <GAN8001> but meh
May 31 00:09:52 <GAN8001> Worth a shot.
May 31 00:09:53 <balrog-kun> hardware lock hmmm
May 31 00:10:00 <rm_you> I'm 50% sure it resets it on flash
May 31 00:10:09 <rm_you> which is much better than a 0% chance like you have now :P
May 31 00:10:10 <GAN8001> If not, you'll need to figure out a way to dump the config partition.
May 31 00:10:18 <GAN8001> 0xffffff may do that.
May 31 00:10:39 <balrog-kun> if it's in the config partition you can just overwrite it with a config partition form a different device
May 31 00:10:57 <rm_you> Flash first and return with results :P
May 31 00:11:01 <NullM0dem> what about ssh, has that been setup?
May 31 00:11:29 <balrog-kun> or remove the executable that implements the locking
May 31 00:11:41 <NullM0dem> which woul dhave to be from ssh
May 31 00:11:51 <NullM0dem> can you browse the device via usb when its locked?
May 31 00:11:53 <rm_you> Flash first and return with results :P we can speculate then :(
May 31 00:12:01 <rm_you> s/:(/:)/
May 31 00:12:01 <infobot> rm_you meant: Flash first and return with results :P we can speculate then :)
May 31 00:12:04 <GAN8001> ^
May 31 00:12:05 <balrog-kun> you can also login through the flasher console i think
May 31 00:12:10 <balrog-kun> without ssh
May 31 00:12:32 <GAN8001> There's no "flasher console"
May 31 00:12:37 <GAN8001> There's a serial console.
May 31 00:12:48 <GAN8001> But you'd need to build a cable for that.
May 31 00:12:56 <balrog-kun> umm, i logged in over usb without running sshd
May 31 00:13:17 <balrog-kun> without booting the rootfs either
May 31 00:13:19 <rm_you> what!?
May 31 00:13:20 <GAN8001> balrog-kun, that's a feature of fanoush's initfs
May 31 00:13:37 <balrog-kun> hmmm hmmm
May 31 00:14:46 <balrog-kun> 0xFFFF -c does this for me, and there's a flasher-static switch to do the same thing iirc
May 31 00:15:01 <rm_you> i think he left to go FLASH THE DEVICE :P
May 31 00:18:43 <GAN8001> pancake would be better able to enlighten us.
May 31 00:22:41 <NullM0dem> lol rm_you, i think he left as well
May 31 00:23:10 <rm_you> heh
May 31 00:26:29 <t_s_o> hmm, i wonder about that cold flash option...
May 31 00:34:34 <balrog-kun> t_s_o: you need the jig for that i think
May 31 00:34:54 <t_s_o> ok, i was just looking at the flasher-static output
May 31 00:34:56 * rm_you does a jig
May 31 00:35:34 <GAN8001> Wron jig
May 31 00:35:46 <GAN8001> You get Extras access yet, rm_you? :P
May 31 00:35:49 <rm_you> lol
May 31 00:35:54 <rm_you> i think i need to apply again
May 31 00:36:01 <rm_you> what is the new proceedure?
May 31 00:36:05 <balrog-kun> jig is some acronym, no idea what it means
May 31 00:36:38 <rm_you> it's also a tool for making chain rings for chainmailing :P
May 31 00:37:25 <GAN8001> Poke X-Fade with a sharpened stick until he snaps and gives you access. :P
May 31 00:37:37 <rm_you> lol
May 31 00:37:42 <rm_you> X-Fade: *poke*
May 31 00:37:46 * rm_you pokes X-Fade 
May 31 00:38:21 <GAN8001> He's coming back from LinuxTag with a crazy number of highlights. :D
May 31 00:38:29 <rm_you> lol
May 31 00:39:33 <sidnei> hey
May 31 00:39:35 <sidnei> im back
May 31 00:39:38 <sidnei> walked out for dinner
May 31 00:39:42 <sidnei> so how do i flash this thing?
May 31 00:39:46 <rm_you> lol
May 31 00:40:07 <rm_you> you in windoze?
May 31 00:40:15 <sidnei> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
May 31 00:40:22 <sidnei> im on osx
May 31 00:40:30 <rm_you> ah, ask GAN8001
May 31 00:40:36 <sidnei> i have an ubuntu vm
May 31 00:40:45 * GAN8001 is teh lazy
May 31 00:40:49 <rm_you> lol
May 31 00:41:05 <GAN8001> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29
May 31 00:41:09 <GAN8001> Follow that
May 31 00:41:16 <sidnei> there we go
May 31 00:41:47 <rm_you> GAN8001: as one of the 2% of mac users here, these things are your responsibility :P
May 31 00:42:03 * GAN8001 whines.
May 31 00:42:47 * GAN8001 is surprised nobody added IdeaStorm to the 2010 agenda
May 31 00:42:47 <NullM0dem> Im placing a newegg order and want to include a flash card for my n810, Iv'e read the n810 is picky on what type of card it uses. anyone get a card from newegg recently?
May 31 00:42:55 <rm_you> yes
May 31 00:43:04 <rm_you> it doesnt seem that picky
May 31 00:43:09 <summatusmentis> IdeaStorm? isn't that a Dell thing?
May 31 00:43:25 <NullM0dem> rm_you: thanks  so any carf should do
May 31 00:43:27 <rm_you> I bought an AData 16g SDHC
May 31 00:43:28 <NullM0dem> card
May 31 00:43:34 <rm_you> was the best deal then
May 31 00:43:36 <rm_you> prolly still is
May 31 00:43:38 <NullM0dem> its work?
May 31 00:43:42 <rm_you> yeah
May 31 00:43:42 <NullM0dem> well of course
May 31 00:43:44 <rm_you> perfectly
May 31 00:43:50 <summatusmentis> rm_you: what'd you spend on that?
May 31 00:43:58 <NullM0dem> out of box? i thought the limit was 8gigs with 2008
May 31 00:43:58 <rm_you> like $45 i think?
May 31 00:44:02 <rm_you> yep
May 31 00:44:04 <rm_you> OOB
May 31 00:44:11 <rm_you> it's just SDHC spec
May 31 00:45:37 <rm_you> i think it was on sale
May 31 00:46:01 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, Dell and Ubuntu
May 31 00:46:03 <rm_you> ah came to $55 with shipping according to my receipt
May 31 00:46:09 <rm_you> so it would hav been 48.99
May 31 00:46:17 <NullM0dem> rm_you: is this the card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245
May 31 00:46:28 <rm_you> yep
May 31 00:46:37 <GAN8001> But I think it'd act as a nice focusing agent for pre-bugzilla brainstorming
May 31 00:46:37 <rm_you> looks like it went up >_>
May 31 00:46:39 <NullM0dem> am i grey to everyone, just wondering?
May 31 00:46:48 <rm_you> ?
May 31 00:46:52 <NullM0dem> my text
May 31 00:46:53 <rm_you> on my IRC client your name is green?
May 31 00:47:02 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: ubuntu came about on Dell machines, because of that
May 31 00:47:09 <NullM0dem> Im going to get that card now thanks
May 31 00:47:09 <summatusmentis> NullM0dem: well, yes, but everyone is
May 31 00:47:17 <rm_you> NullM0dem: at least in XChat, your text is grey to you
May 31 00:47:19 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19556
May 31 00:47:21 <NullM0dem> ah
May 31 00:47:29 <rm_you> but black to everyone else
May 31 00:47:34 <rm_you> so you can tell what you said :P
May 31 00:49:13 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: oh... so what does it have to do w/ NITs?
May 31 00:49:26 <GAN8001> Set up an IdeaStorm on maemo.org
May 31 00:49:37 <GAN8001> See discussion here, summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/2010_Agenda
May 31 00:49:43 <summatusmentis> I see
May 31 00:52:19 <sidnei> will take 20 something minutes to download omg :)
May 31 00:53:31 <GAN8001> Get a real connection. :P
May 31 00:53:42 <sidnei> visiting a friend. i will tell him to though :)
May 31 00:53:55 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 31 00:54:16 <sidnei> i have some friends that worked for nokia in brazil, wonder if they hang around this channel
May 31 00:54:59 <GAN8001> INdT?
May 31 00:55:05 <sidnei> yep
May 31 00:55:12 <GAN8001> Try #canola
May 31 00:56:32 <sidnei> meh, don't see any known nick
May 31 00:56:40 <sidnei> where are your friends when you need them :)
May 31 00:56:42 <Anunakin> hi all!
May 31 00:56:55 <summatusmentis> who needs friends
May 31 00:57:01 <Anunakin> Hi sidnei!
May 31 00:57:06 <Anunakin> What u need?
May 31 00:57:10 <NullM0dem> lol
May 31 00:57:17 <NullM0dem> he needs a passkey
May 31 00:57:25 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, been backstabbed recently?
May 31 00:57:28 <sidnei> Anunakin: yeah, locked myself out of my n810
May 31 00:58:06 <Anunakin> hum...
May 31 00:58:20 <Anunakin> a FW upgrade not resolve?
May 31 00:58:24 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: meh... not really, I just don't fit in w/ my high school friends
May 31 00:58:38 <sidnei> Anunakin: fw == flashing? im downloading the image
May 31 00:58:45 <summatusmentis> firmware, I assume
May 31 00:58:53 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, heh, know what you mean :)
May 31 00:58:54 <sidnei> duh, i must be tired
May 31 00:58:56 <Anunakin> yes ... FW = FirmWare
May 31 00:59:08 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, small high school?
May 31 00:59:38 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: yes, 400 students total. I went to college this last year, and my friends there are way cooler
May 31 00:59:39 <skibur> my website is up
May 31 00:59:39 <Anunakin> I think this resolve... but you lost all apps and configs
May 31 00:59:48 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 31 00:59:49 <skibur> going to add my stuff later on
May 31 00:59:50 <GAN8001> That is small
May 31 00:59:50 <skibur> lol
May 31 00:59:51 <summatusmentis> now I'm back for the summer, and my high school friends are lame
May 31 00:59:59 <rm_you> yeah my highschool was 350ish
May 31 01:00:03 <Anunakin> skibur: nice!!!
May 31 01:00:04 <rm_you> graduating class of... 60
May 31 01:00:09 <GAN8001> 2,200
May 31 01:00:14 <skibur> http://www.skibur.com
May 31 01:00:27 <rm_you> i dont hang out with people from HS really, all my friends are from college, or gradeschool actually
May 31 01:00:30 <summatusmentis> so instead I'm spending my summer finding where network cables go at the local hospital, and writing kernel code
May 31 01:00:31 <skibur> thinking of adding ITT stuff
May 31 01:00:32 <Anunakin> skibur,,, I looking here
May 31 01:00:47 <sidnei> Anunakin: not that i had anything important on it, i opened the box, setup skype and locked myself out :)
May 31 01:00:47 <rm_you> or from #maemo :P
May 31 01:00:54 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 01:01:01 <GAN8001> I still hang mostly with my high school friends
May 31 01:01:07 <GAN8001> . . . or middle school
May 31 01:01:09 <summatusmentis> rm_you: heh, my girlfriend is from gradeschool(or, I knew her when we were in gradeschool together), and my college friends are 1200 mi. away
May 31 01:01:12 <Anunakin> My blog, http://anunakin.blogspot.com/ (portuguese)
May 31 01:01:13 <rm_you> are they in #maemo? :P
May 31 01:01:30 <Anunakin> my repository .... deb http://maemo.vivaphp.net/dists/ chinook/
May 31 01:01:39 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, your lock code will still be the same, just disabled :p
May 31 01:01:43 <GAN8001> Just my clan-friends.
May 31 01:01:49 <skibur> cool
May 31 01:01:57 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: oh, that helps some
May 31 01:02:09 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: but there's no way to change it, is there?
May 31 01:02:15 <rm_you> ah yeah, thats right
May 31 01:02:19 <rm_you> it just disables it :P
May 31 01:02:23 * rm_you remembers now
May 31 01:02:26 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, you need to know  old one
May 31 01:02:26 <GAN8001> You were half-right. :P
May 31 01:02:27 <rm_you> that helps a bit
May 31 01:02:30 <rm_you> just don't enable it :P
May 31 01:02:40 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, wait a sec
May 31 01:02:49 <sidnei> rm_you: fat finger as i am, that's not very hard :)
May 31 01:02:56 <sidnei> rm_you: the lock button should be harder to hit
May 31 01:02:57 <Anunakin> qwerty12_N800: but if stay unlocked.... he can try overwrite the files with another one?
May 31 01:03:01 <sidnei> rm_you: too close to shutdown
May 31 01:03:14 <rm_you> sidnei: you can do "lock screen"
May 31 01:03:26 <rm_you> just don't enable the lock CODE and it wont ever ask you
May 31 01:03:26 <sidnei> i was actually trying to hit 'offline mode'
May 31 01:03:28 <qwerty12_N800> cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config and open in  hex editor and search for lock
May 31 01:03:42 <qwerty12_N800> your code  will be in there
May 31 01:04:31 <Anunakin> qwerty12_N800: I found a way to do emulate right and middle mouse clicks on Debian....
May 31 01:04:41 <qwerty12_N800> cool :)
May 31 01:05:19 <qwerty12_N800> edit systemui.xml btw to take out lock device option btw
May 31 01:06:27 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: now im starting to like this :)
May 31 01:06:30 <Anunakin> Any one using "scratchbox 2" ?
May 31 01:06:45 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, heh :)
May 31 01:09:42 <andre___> hmm, thanks for the compliments from three hours ago :)
May 31 01:10:57 <GAN8001> andre___, I'm highlighting the new guys as many times as possible before everybody gets back from LinuxTag. :P
May 31 01:11:14 <andre___> thanks, that's good (though i'm back already :-)
May 31 01:11:54 <summatusmentis> )
May 31 01:11:59 <summatusmentis> you were missing a )
May 31 01:12:01 <summatusmentis> :)
May 31 01:12:24 <qwerty12_N800> 0.o
May 31 01:12:32 <qwerty12_N800> overkill :p
May 31 01:13:02 * andre___ hands over a )
May 31 01:13:14 <andre___> good that i don't write the UI strings :-P
May 31 01:13:22 <summatusmentis> sorry, I've been coding kernel stuff all day, paying attention to detail because my mentor is sort of anal about getting it right the first time :D
May 31 01:13:29 <GAN8001> We'd have to lynch you if you did. :P
May 31 01:13:46 <andre___> hehe
May 31 01:14:37 <qwerty12_N800> apt-get source hildon-common-strings and I  can make ones with swearing  in it...
May 31 01:15:23 <GAN8001> qwerty12_N800, you're such a showoff. . . . :P
May 31 01:15:49 <qwerty12_N800> why, thank you :p
May 31 01:16:06 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: are you a high school student?
May 31 01:16:30 <qwerty12_N800> yeah :)
May 31 01:16:44 <GAN8001> qwerty12's a youngster. :P
May 31 01:16:51 <summatusmentis> ok, that's what I thought, but I couldn't tell from our conv on friends
May 31 01:16:55 <qwerty12_N800> s/young/gang
May 31 01:16:58 <qwerty12_N800> :p
May 31 01:17:01 <summatusmentis> hey, I was a high school student a year ago
May 31 01:17:08 <summatusmentis> oh yeah, you like stupid music, I forgot that
May 31 01:17:32 <qwerty12_N800> come down to east ldn and say that :p
May 31 01:17:32 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 01:17:41 <GAN8001> Music taste develops with age.
May 31 01:18:04 <summatusmentis> I'd love to go to london, but sadly
May 31 01:18:08 * summatusmentis is a poor college student
May 31 01:18:37 <sidnei> GAN8001: hey, since you're the mac guy around, are you able to sync contacts with address book?
May 31 01:18:50 <rm_you> i was always like "pft, i'm going to keep up with music trends, unlike my parents... i always like the new stuff"
May 31 01:19:01 <GAN8001> Just dump the list as a vcard, send it to the NIT and import it from that.
May 31 01:19:02 <rm_you> unfortunately, I didn't anticipate Rap and Hiphop taking off like they have >_<
May 31 01:19:09 <GAN8001> Hahaha
May 31 01:19:16 <GAN8001> Bob Dylan FTW!
May 31 01:19:17 <sidnei> GAN8001: yeah, that works *g*
May 31 01:19:25 <summatusmentis> rm_you: yeah, I agree
May 31 01:19:28 * qwerty12_N800 retches
May 31 01:19:37 <sidnei> gotta whip some python together to make the sync easier :)
May 31 01:19:44 <GAN8001> ^ he reveals his terrible taste. :P
May 31 01:20:10 <summatusmentis> hah :-D
May 31 01:20:17 <rm_you> pft, well... i listen to HappyHardcore techno :P
May 31 01:20:30 <rm_you> a lot of people don't find that much better
May 31 01:20:34 <summatusmentis> HappyHardcore? I've never heard of that
May 31 01:20:43 <summatusmentis> although, I'm a fan of techno :)
May 31 01:20:48 <qwerty12_N800> sounds like a drug :/
May 31 01:21:09 <summatusmentis> dude, if that was a drug... I'd be game
May 31 01:21:13 <summatusmentis> maybe
May 31 01:21:23 <qwerty12_N800> the game's alright
May 31 01:21:43 <rm_you> http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls
May 31 01:21:50 <rm_you> although, ACK the mix on now is HORRIBLE
May 31 01:21:51 <GAN8001> Totally Awesome Sweet Alabama Liquid Snake?
May 31 01:21:54 <rm_you> it hurts my ears
May 31 01:21:55 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, see, you like proper music :p  too :p
May 31 01:21:57 * sidnei gets ready for some flashing
May 31 01:22:31 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: I have rather eclectic tastes... or, non-mainstream anyway
May 31 01:22:58 <rm_you> nm, that's a horrible intro to HHC
May 31 01:23:06 <sidnei> oh, erm
May 31 01:23:09 <sidnei> sudo: unable to execute ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable
May 31 01:23:11 <sidnei> now what
May 31 01:23:18 <qwerty12_N800> run!
May 31 01:23:23 <summatusmentis> rm_you: I'm a fan, win
May 31 01:23:26 <GAN8001> It should run under Rosetta fine. . . .
May 31 01:23:37 <rm_you> eh, yeah its getting better
May 31 01:23:41 <sidnei> Rosettta?!?
May 31 01:23:49 <GAN8001> It's not a UB.
May 31 01:24:00 <sidnei> oh, shocking
May 31 01:24:45 <GAN8001> sidnei, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-29.log.html#t2008-01-29T03:12:19
May 31 01:24:48 <GAN8001> Try redownloading
May 31 01:24:53 <GAN8001> Or using another browser
May 31 01:24:59 <summatusmentis> rm_you: I like the trancy sounding stuff
May 31 01:25:12 <sidnei> like what, opera?
May 31 01:25:26 <rm_you> <3 opera
May 31 01:25:30 <GAN8001> FireFox, Opera
May 31 01:25:32 <GAN8001> Something
May 31 01:25:43 <qwerty12_N800> if you install bootmenu, with the ssh, you can actually retrieve the lock code or disable the process which starts it from coming up w/out reflashing
May 31 01:26:19 <qwerty12_N800> wget ftw
May 31 01:26:35 <sidnei> alright, opera worked
May 31 01:26:46 <rm_you> opera always works :P
May 31 01:26:50 * rm_you <3s Opera
May 31 01:26:52 <GAN8001> Lies
May 31 01:26:55 * rm_you said that already
May 31 01:26:59 <qwerty12_N800> opera sucks under linux, they try making it look like windows >.<
May 31 01:27:02 <GAN8001> rm_you, did you ever use Opera on the 770?
May 31 01:27:17 <rm_you> no
May 31 01:27:20 <rm_you> used it on my n800 :/
May 31 01:27:21 <rm_you> i miss it
May 31 01:27:29 <rm_you> used it on Zaurus CL-5500
May 31 01:27:33 <rm_you> also miss that
May 31 01:27:42 <qwerty12_N800> you can use it in os2008 now as well through  bundyo's work
May 31 01:27:46 <rm_you> YAY!
May 31 01:27:51 <summatusmentis> rm_you: I've still got one laying around
May 31 01:27:51 <sidnei> woo, loks like it might have worked
May 31 01:27:52 * rm_you looks that up
May 31 01:27:54 <sidnei> i see a setup screen
May 31 01:27:55 * GAN8001 shudders contemplating Opera on NIT.
May 31 01:27:59 <summatusmentis> it's not terribly usable though
May 31 01:28:02 <rm_you> summatusmentis: battery dead>
May 31 01:28:03 <rm_you> ?
May 31 01:28:15 <summatusmentis> nope, still runs, about 3 hours w/ wifi
May 31 01:28:21 <rm_you> seriously?
May 31 01:28:26 <summatusmentis> I think... I haven't turned it on in a while
May 31 01:28:34 <rm_you> everyone i know with a CL-5500, the battery died after like two years
May 31 01:28:42 <rm_you> even people who like NEVER used it
May 31 01:28:54 <summatusmentis> I flashed a not-entirely working 2.6 kernel, so now when ever it has juice, it's always on
May 31 01:28:59 <rm_you> i bought a custom battery from some guy in Germany made from a cell phone battery and some solders, but it died after a while too
May 31 01:29:04 <summatusmentis> so I let the battery run out, and it sits on my desk
May 31 01:29:27 <rm_you> it makes a good webserver if you plug it in and shove it in a corner somewhere :P
May 31 01:29:45 <qwerty12_N800> buy the ak-47  phone, at least you can use it as gun if battery is dead
May 31 01:30:01 * GAN8001 has one of those. :P
May 31 01:30:04 <summatusmentis> rm_you: oh, that's a really good idea...
May 31 01:30:05 <rm_you> LOL
May 31 01:30:08 <summatusmentis> hmm
May 31 01:30:20 <rm_you> AK-47 phone?! >_>
May 31 01:30:35 <GAN8001> Well, minus the phone part. :P
May 31 01:30:54 <summatusmentis> ugh... what is it w/ people and guns?
May 31 01:31:11 <summatusmentis> I don't understand why people have them to have them
May 31 01:31:14 * rm_you <3s guns
May 31 01:31:22 <summatusmentis> :-/
May 31 01:31:25 <rm_you> I do trap & skeet shooting
May 31 01:31:28 <qwerty12_N800> everyman wants a gun, the bigger the better!
May 31 01:31:38 <GAN8001> Guns are so much stupid fun.
May 31 01:31:40 <summatusmentis> I'd just as soon nobody have a gun
May 31 01:31:41 <rm_you> yeah
May 31 01:31:50 <rm_you> hey, *nobody* having a gun will never work
May 31 01:31:55 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, perhaps, in a non-existent utopia
May 31 01:32:01 <GAN8001> But a utopia doesn't exist. :P
May 31 01:32:03 <rm_you> *everyone* having a gun would make other people a lot more cautious when attacking people
May 31 01:32:06 <GAN8001> Plus, they're hella fun
May 31 01:32:11 <rm_you> :P
May 31 01:32:19 <summatusmentis> yeah, yeah, I know... standard argument
May 31 01:32:31 <derf> Nobody having a gun worked great for thousands of years.
May 31 01:32:32 <qwerty12_N800> switzerland has brilliantly low  crime rates and guns are legal ther
May 31 01:32:37 <GAN8001> You'd understand that if you'd ever put a .300 winmag through a bowling pin at 600yds. :P
May 31 01:32:38 <derf> Unfortunately, we know how to make guns now.
May 31 01:32:42 <rm_you> think about it... if a criminal wanted to rob someone, and he KNEW they had a gun, he'd be much less likely to do it :P
May 31 01:32:47 <GAN8001> derf, they had swords
May 31 01:32:49 <GAN8001> or rocks
May 31 01:32:51 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: no, i don't think I would
May 31 01:32:55 <derf> GAN8001: But not guns!
May 31 01:32:59 <GAN8001> You would, trust me.
May 31 01:33:16 <GAN8001> derf, swords just mean that people with sword training impose their will on others. :P
May 31 01:33:21 <GAN8001> Guns are the great equalizer
May 31 01:33:25 <GAN8001> Anybody can use one.
May 31 01:33:27 <sidnei> wonder if i should lock it now :)
May 31 01:33:31 <summatusmentis> rm_you: well yeah, but I feel it also makes it much, MUCH easier for accidents
May 31 01:33:36 <rm_you> Hey, even if I didn't think guns are damn awesome (which I do, very very much), I would still want to know how to use one well, in case of emergency
May 31 01:33:40 <sidnei> or just trying to change the password
May 31 01:33:45 <GAN8001> Stupid people will have accidents no matter what.
May 31 01:33:54 <derf> Anybody can (and did) use swords.
May 31 01:33:56 <rm_you> if EVERYONE was trained how to use a gun properly, there would be less accidents
May 31 01:34:00 <derf> The problem was they were expensive.
May 31 01:34:03 <GAN8001> derf, that's not true
May 31 01:34:04 <rm_you> the problem comes from people not understandiong how to handle them
May 31 01:34:11 <GAN8001> Grandma can't pick up a sword and use it like a pro.
May 31 01:34:13 <summatusmentis> their accidents are less fatal w/out guns
May 31 01:34:17 <GAN8001> Grandma CAN pick up a gun
May 31 01:34:29 <summatusmentis> my grandmother should not have a gun
May 31 01:34:35 <rm_you> lol
May 31 01:34:38 <qwerty12_N800> Grandma would topple over holding a sword :p
May 31 01:34:42 <summatusmentis> she loses her temper a lot, and doesn't think clearly
May 31 01:34:52 <derf> GAN8001: Grandma was dead at 40, so it didn't really matter.
May 31 01:35:21 <sidnei> so now qwerty12_N800, how do i access the console? should i install ssh?
May 31 01:35:49 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, go to menu, utilities, x-term
May 31 01:35:56 <sidnei> oh, that's easier
May 31 01:36:02 <sidnei> and there's a hex editor in there?
May 31 01:36:07 <qwerty12_N800> nope
May 31 01:36:09 <qwerty12_N800> also
May 31 01:36:14 <qwerty12_N800> ~easyroot
May 31 01:36:15 <infobot> easyroot is, like, an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
May 31 01:36:22 <qwerty12_N800> you'll need it ;)
May 31 01:36:25 <GAN8001> rm_you, do you have Extras access yet? :P
May 31 01:37:01 <rm_you> GAN8001: lol still no :P
May 31 01:37:06 <GAN8001> Now?
May 31 01:37:06 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 01:37:08 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 01:37:13 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 01:37:13 <rm_you> nope
May 31 01:37:21 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 01:37:21 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, get root and run that command, connect usb and open config file on mmc in hex editor in comp
May 31 01:37:23 <GAN8001> He's gun hav sooo many highlights!
May 31 01:37:26 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 01:37:41 <rm_you> I wonder how many times I have to poke him to get perma-banned from extras :P
May 31 01:37:46 <qwerty12_N800> Hold a gun to X-Fade :p
May 31 01:38:29 <summatusmentis> rm_you: extra's access? to put packages there?
May 31 01:38:43 <qwerty12_N800> nope, put weed there
May 31 01:38:51 <summatusmentis> even better
May 31 01:38:55 <summatusmentis> make sure it's good though
May 31 01:39:00 <rm_you> yeah
May 31 01:39:09 <rm_you> need to get Advanced Backlight in there
May 31 01:39:59 <GAN8001> For ultimate justice!
May 31 01:39:59 <qwerty12_N800> GAN8001, been annoying rm_you to follow the maemo policy? :p
May 31 01:40:11 <GAN8001> Yeah, good plan!
May 31 01:40:28 <GAN8001> rm_you, don't forget. https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf :P
May 31 01:40:28 <summatusmentis> rm_you: that's yours? props
May 31 01:41:04 <rm_you> lol
May 31 01:41:09 <rm_you> yeah, thx :P
May 31 01:41:28 <GAN8001> rm_you, who else can you poke about the info you got from timeless?
May 31 01:41:35 <rm_you> dunno...
May 31 01:41:44 <rm_you> i don't really understand what's going on in what he sent me
May 31 01:41:49 <rm_you> he converted it to javascript >_>
May 31 01:41:54 <GAN8001> Haha
May 31 01:42:20 <GAN8001> rm_you sez, "i dun kno wut dis is...pweese halp me timewess!!!"
May 31 01:42:26 <rm_you> lol
May 31 01:42:32 <rm_you> i don't do JS or GTK
May 31 01:42:37 <summatusmentis> what'd he send you? anything interesting?
May 31 01:42:41 <qwerty12_N800> timeless says №
May 31 01:42:44 <rm_you> which means translating from one to the other is hard :P
May 31 01:42:49 <rm_you> i'll throw his emails on the wiki
May 31 01:42:50 <rm_you> sec
May 31 01:42:57 <rm_you> maybe people here can help ;P
May 31 01:43:45 <summatusmentis> atlas95: decide on a nick already!
May 31 01:43:46 <summatusmentis> :)
May 31 01:44:01 <atlas95> sorry guys :)
May 31 01:44:13 <atlas95> i'm playing with account
May 31 01:44:25 <atlas95> i back i come later ;)
May 31 01:44:32 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 01:44:37 <summatusmentis> just giving you s**t, no worries
May 31 01:44:43 <summatusmentis> oh, he's gone
May 31 01:45:10 <summatusmentis> oh wait
May 31 01:45:49 <GAN8001> Jerks. :P
May 31 01:46:36 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: oh, that really confused me
May 31 01:46:42 <summatusmentis> >_>
May 31 01:46:45 <qwerty12_N800> muhahaha
May 31 01:47:05 * qwerty12_N800 is certified prick :p
May 31 01:47:15 <qwerty12_N800> by sondjata anyway
May 31 01:47:15 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: do you always IRC on our N800?
May 31 01:47:31 <qwerty12_N800> only at night and around 12PM (gmt)
May 31 01:47:35 <Johnny5> Actually, he probably does it on his own
May 31 01:47:39 <summatusmentis> oh
May 31 01:47:41 <summatusmentis> I see
May 31 01:47:42 <GAN8001> Join the club, qwerty12_N800.
May 31 01:47:48 <qwerty12_N800> Hi 5!
May 31 01:48:03 <summatusmentis> Johnny5: there was supposed to be a y in front of that
May 31 01:48:25 <summatusmentis> Xchat is not in the feeds, is it?
May 31 01:48:59 * Johnny5 waves
May 31 01:49:36 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, google it
May 31 01:49:47 <GAN8001> I don't have the TextExpander shortcut on this computer. :P
May 31 01:50:02 <GAN8001> Or just use this: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
May 31 01:50:19 <summatusmentis> I want centralized feeds!
May 31 01:50:58 <GAN8001> Most things are on Downloads
May 31 01:51:03 <summatusmentis> why don't they make everything in Downloads in extras?
May 31 01:51:05 <GAN8001> But xchat is an outlier.
May 31 01:51:10 <GAN8001> Lazy developers.
May 31 01:51:15 <GAN8001> Bitch at the developers. :P
May 31 01:51:18 <summatusmentis> no, xchat is on downloads
May 31 01:51:28 <GAN8001> The 2007 one
May 31 01:51:29 * Johnny5 wonders if anyone has ever bought a Nxx0, and used it for its intended purpose (web tablet) and nothing else...
May 31 01:51:34 <GAN8001> Not the Chinook beta, though
May 31 01:51:47 <GAN8001> Johnny5, thousands and thousands of people I'm sure.
May 31 01:51:53 <summatusmentis> oh
May 31 01:52:07 <GAN8001> The people here and on itT and maemo.org definitely don't add up to ~600k units.
May 31 01:52:15 <derf> I almost never use the web from the tablet.
May 31 01:52:16 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: ok, i ran that command, but the 'config' doesn't show up?
May 31 01:52:27 <sidnei> when mounting on osx that is
May 31 01:52:30 <derf> And when I do, it's usually for webmail, only because the e-mail client blows chunks.
May 31 01:52:40 <GAN8001> derf, Modest?
May 31 01:52:41 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, hmm, did you do it as root?
May 31 01:52:44 <rm_you> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you
May 31 01:52:45 <summatusmentis> Johnny5: well... what defines "Web Tablet" ? only browsing?
May 31 01:52:50 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: yes
May 31 01:52:59 <derf> I haven't tried modest yet.
May 31 01:53:07 <derf> Is it actually out of beta?
May 31 01:53:11 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: was it you who was talking about irssi-proxy?
May 31 01:53:17 <GAN8001> Yeah
May 31 01:53:20 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: when i do an ls on /media/mmc1 and mmc2 only 'config' shows there
May 31 01:53:23 <summatusmentis> how does that work?
May 31 01:53:27 <sidnei> maybe its not mounted?
May 31 01:53:31 <GAN8001> I have one set up on my Mac Mini server to act as a front-end for all my NITs
May 31 01:53:40 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, install MacPorts, install irssi
May 31 01:53:55 <GAN8001> Then follow the guide here: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy
May 31 01:54:00 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, hmm, the mac should mount  the mmc's :/
May 31 01:54:09 <Johnny5> What defines "Web Tablet" is never installing any software beyond what is initially installed on the NIT (or what is provided via Nokia official sources, such as updates)
May 31 01:54:44 <GAN8001> rm_you, I don't have a clue. :D
May 31 01:54:45 <Johnny5> The device is just so hackable, I sometimes wonder what it would be like if it was used "stock"
May 31 01:54:50 <summatusmentis> Johnny5: oh :)
May 31 01:54:57 <rm_you> I figure that's like... some sort of gtk-rc thing?
May 31 01:55:02 <rm_you> i just don't know how i would apply that
May 31 01:55:05 * qwerty12_N800 has hacked my n800 like shit
May 31 01:55:51 <summatusmentis> I'll hack my n810 when I have time...
May 31 01:56:04 <summatusmentis> right now, I hack the kernl
May 31 01:56:07 <summatusmentis> kernel*
May 31 01:56:11 <qwerty12_N800> suspend to  mem works for me  except for watchdog :/
May 31 01:56:31 <derf> GAN8001: This is why I'm not using modest yet: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2290&group_id=9&atid=109
May 31 01:56:38 <Johnny5> For that matter, I'm kinda curious what using the built-in rootfs is like.  I read so much about the performance gains on ITT that I set up booting off MMC the day I got it. :)
May 31 01:56:38 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: it mounts 'something' which has camera, tmp, map and videocenter directories
May 31 01:57:01 <GAN8001> Johnny5, the gains are mostly noticeable on boot
May 31 01:57:10 <GAN8001> There's no real difference in usage.
May 31 01:57:28 <GAN8001> The effect is largely just placebo. ;)
May 31 01:57:29 <rm_you> summatusmentis: still listening to the stream i linked? :P
May 31 01:57:42 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I'm not sure I understand how the irssi-proxy works. What do I do once it's configured?
May 31 01:57:50 <summatusmentis> rm_you: nope, watching oceans 11
May 31 01:57:54 <rm_you> lol
May 31 01:57:56 <Johnny5> Makes sense
May 31 01:57:59 <GAN8001> Connect to the machine with the proxy just like it's an IRC server.
May 31 01:58:01 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, that would the internal mmc. out of question, you aren't running thatcommand with the cable connected right?
May 31 01:58:13 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: i am *g*
May 31 01:58:18 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: so then, what's the point?
May 31 01:58:30 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, tut tut :p
May 31 01:58:33 <GAN8001> So you can have many machines connected to the irc server under one nick.
May 31 01:58:51 <GAN8001> and disconnecting on any of those machines wont disconnect you from the network.
May 31 01:58:55 <rm_you> Anyone who understands GTK/GDK and C and prototyping functions and wants to help me: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you look at the email i posted there
May 31 01:59:10 <GAN8001> Much the same as irssi+screen, but you can use xchat on the tablets, which is, to me, preferable.
May 31 01:59:11 <summatusmentis> ah, see? I should do that, if only for my NIT
May 31 01:59:19 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, ke-recv unmounts the cards from the tablet when usb is connected
May 31 01:59:24 <GAN8001> If you prefer xchat to irssi
May 31 01:59:40 <qwerty12_N800> so you config isn't getting written to the mmc itself
May 31 01:59:44 <summatusmentis> well, I kinda like irssi, but I liked the userlist in xchat
May 31 01:59:55 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: makes a lot of sense
May 31 02:00:39 <summatusmentis> how do I get the pipe symbol?
May 31 02:00:41 * qwerty12_N800 plug: has  compiled irssi from svn, weechat + bitchx  
May 31 02:00:44 <GAN8001> I like irssi, just not on the tablet. ;)
May 31 02:00:54 <rm_you> its in like... the second tab of the symbols section
May 31 02:01:02 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, with keyboard?
May 31 02:01:15 <rm_you> brb, dinner
May 31 02:01:18 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: yeah, the n810 keyboard, specifically
May 31 02:01:25 <rm_you> after dinner, i hope someone has an idea what this stuff means: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you
May 31 02:01:43 <derf> rm_you: What do you not understand?
May 31 02:01:52 <rm_you> how i would apply that
May 31 02:01:52 <derf> That all seems pretty straightforward to me.
May 31 02:01:53 <rm_you> in C
May 31 02:02:03 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, not sure then. maybe custom keymap is needed :/
May 31 02:02:06 <rm_you> I am not familiar with GTK *or* C
May 31 02:02:09 <beford> Sulis_, there is a Chr button
May 31 02:02:12 <beford> oops
May 31 02:02:15 <disq> miau is a good irc proxy/bouncer.
May 31 02:02:16 <rm_you> writing that applet was a stretch of my ability :P
May 31 02:02:20 <beford> summatusmentis,  there is a Chr button on the kb
May 31 02:02:24 <derf> Well, I'd suggest reading some GTK documentation.
May 31 02:02:30 <rm_you> yeah :/
May 31 02:02:36 <derf> The "prototype" crap is just setting some initial properties.
May 31 02:02:41 <rm_you> dunno what i'm looking for exactly tho..
May 31 02:02:46 <rm_you> well, i'll look after dinner
May 31 02:02:51 <summatus_n810> lol, you're right bedford
May 31 02:03:03 <Sulis_> heh, not many channels with more than one su name
May 31 02:03:10 <summatus_n810> there's no tab in xchat!
May 31 02:03:45 <GAN8001> Prefs, summatusmentis.
May 31 02:05:00 <summatus_n810> GAN8001: I meant like there is that shows up whe I open xterm
May 31 02:05:17 <summatus_n810> a tab button, specifically
May 31 02:05:51 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: sorry to bother you again, but your command just scrolled off my screen
May 31 02:05:52 <summatus_n810> :-/ I'm going back to irssi... it works better!
May 31 02:06:08 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, i don't llike last bit of igor's latest post
May 31 02:06:17 <derf> rm_you: Properties are set either in the constructor with g_object_new() or via g_object_set().
May 31 02:06:24 <sidnei> was it mrt2ro?
May 31 02:06:34 <derf> They're just name-value pairs.
May 31 02:06:46 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, "cat /dev/mtd2ro > /media/mmc2/config"
May 31 02:06:53 <summatusmentis> meh,... graphical clients are overrated
May 31 02:07:33 <qwerty12_N800> make sure > and bit after is included too
May 31 02:10:25 <summatusmentis> I'll stick to ssh+screen+irssi, thanks GAN8001
May 31 02:11:05 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, wrong mtd, it's mtd1, not mtd2
May 31 02:11:19 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: ahhhh
May 31 02:11:24 <qwerty12_N800> soz
May 31 02:11:46 <qwerty12_N800> mtd2 must be initfs iirc then
May 31 02:12:04 <qwerty12_N800> mtd1 is config/cal partition - the 1 you want
May 31 02:13:47 <sidnei> well
May 31 02:13:54 <KotCzarny> mtd2 is kernel
May 31 02:14:16 <sidnei> so i see Conf   lock_code l y 12345
May 31 02:14:34 <sidnei> oh, and then there's another one
May 31 02:14:40 <sidnei> 30133
May 31 02:14:40 <summatusmentis> what're people's thoughts on the Moto Q? I'm considering buying one, and a data plan along w/ it, for always on internet w/ the n810
May 31 02:14:42 <sidnei> let me try that
May 31 02:15:43 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny, ta. would have briked my device sometime :D
May 31 02:15:49 <KotCzarny> :)
May 31 02:15:57 <KotCzarny> just look at the sizes
May 31 02:16:03 <sidnei> alright, found it
May 31 02:16:13 <KotCzarny> and you can't brick the device as long nolo is ok :)
May 31 02:16:17 <sidnei> was the 6th or 7th occurrence of lock code
May 31 02:16:41 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny, I've got some experiments that will :/ :p
May 31 02:16:50 <qwerty12_N800> need to get jtag 1st though
May 31 02:17:05 <sidnei> WHOOOOOO
May 31 02:17:07 <sidnei> worked!
May 31 02:17:19 * sidnei breaks the champagne open
May 31 02:17:32 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, WinMob?
May 31 02:17:40 <qwerty12_N800> yeah
May 31 02:17:47 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: yeah
May 31 02:17:54 <summatusmentis> WinMob 5
May 31 02:18:02 <summatusmentis> no touchscreen
May 31 02:18:03 <GAN8001> Get something small and phone-ish to pair with the NIT
May 31 02:18:04 <sidnei> qwerty12_N800: thank you so much
May 31 02:18:11 <qwerty12_N800> sidnei, np :)
May 31 02:18:12 <GAN8001> Not something big and PDA-ish
May 31 02:18:27 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, get a phone that does dun, much simpler
May 31 02:18:38 <qwerty12_N800> winmob uses pan
May 31 02:19:01 <summatusmentis> well, part of what I'm looking at is Sprint SERO
May 31 02:19:25 <summatusmentis> and as such, I can get the Moto Q for $30 :)
May 31 02:21:58 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: why small and phone-ish over big and PDA-ish?
May 31 02:22:34 <GAN8001> Because you don't want to duplicate functionality
May 31 02:22:41 <GAN8001> My cellphone is a phone and a modem
May 31 02:22:44 <GAN8001> Not a PDA
May 31 02:22:49 <summatusmentis> yeah, that's all true
May 31 02:22:50 <GAN8001> That's just my personal preference, though.
May 31 02:22:59 * qwerty12_N800 agrees
May 31 02:23:04 <GAN8001> Get whatever's cheap and need-suiting. ;)
May 31 02:23:31 <summatusmentis> well, the Q is cheap :)
May 31 02:23:38 <qwerty12_N800> my p1 is closest to n800 but it uses opera and no flash so f00k dat :p
May 31 02:24:05 <summatusmentis> p1? what is that?
May 31 02:24:09 <Navi> I want an E71 without the expense
May 31 02:24:40 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, sony ericsson phone, don't think you get it in us
May 31 02:24:54 <qwerty12_N800> symbian uiq based
May 31 02:24:58 <summatusmentis> oh, ok. I was just curious
May 31 02:25:12 <summatusmentis> we dont' get any good phones in the US
May 31 02:25:25 <GAN8001> I like my A717
May 31 02:25:56 * qwerty12_N800 loves europe. home of bog standard gsm
May 31 02:25:57 <summatusmentis> I've got a razr now, it's ok
May 31 02:26:06 <Navi> RUN
May 31 02:26:14 <summatusmentis> that's what the us needs is decent gsm
May 31 02:26:17 <Navi> It's a RAZR
May 31 02:26:21 <Navi> HIde
May 31 02:26:57 <qwerty12_N800> aww, Navi's scared of getting shanked :p
May 31 02:27:15 <summatusmentis> geez qwerty12_N800 :)
May 31 02:27:34 <GAN8001> With qwerty12_N800 around, I am, too.
May 31 02:27:51 <summatusmentis> yeah, for real
May 31 02:27:58 <qwerty12_N800> heh, london = shanking capital of the world
May 31 02:28:01 <summatusmentis> what's the res on the n810 cam?
May 31 02:28:06 <qwerty12_N800> bs
May 31 02:28:20 <GAN8001> 640*480
May 31 02:28:20 <qwerty12_N800> res =  bs that is
May 31 02:28:32 <GAN8001> Resolution is sorta meaningless, though
May 31 02:28:36 <GAN8001> It's noisy as hell
May 31 02:28:40 <GAN8001> with terrible sensitivity.
May 31 02:28:50 <summatusmentis> yeah, I was playing w/ it earlier... doesn't look that great
May 31 02:28:54 <qwerty12_N800> with terrible quality
May 31 02:29:00 <summatusmentis> so a phone w/ a decent cam might be worth it
May 31 02:29:08 <GAN8001> N-series!
May 31 02:29:31 <summatusmentis> on cdma?
May 31 02:29:44 <summatusmentis> gsm coverage doesn't work where I need it to
May 31 02:30:15 <qwerty12_N800> sigh, dodgy americans and their 850 band :p
May 31 02:30:27 <summatusmentis> agreed
May 31 02:31:32 <qwerty12_N800> Check out the  samsung 10mp cdma phone*. *korea only :p
May 31 02:31:38 <summatusmentis> lol
May 31 02:31:45 <summatusmentis> dont' live in korea :)
May 31 02:32:45 <qwerty12_N800> samsung make dodgy phones in korea, jcb phone, tablet pc phone....
May 31 02:38:45 <sidnei> alright, so how do i get some application repositories in here
May 31 02:38:57 <qwerty12_N800> gronmayer
May 31 02:39:50 <qwerty12_N800> it's 3 am, quiet here &  i'm bored : http://tinyurl.com/5j3w45
May 31 02:39:53 <GAN8001> sidnei, you really only need one
May 31 02:39:57 <GAN8001> and that's Extras
May 31 02:39:59 <sidnei> good!
May 31 02:40:26 <sidnei> how do i enable that again?
May 31 02:40:28 <GAN8001> and maybe the one from nitapps.com
May 31 02:40:32 <GAN8001> Application manager
May 31 02:41:18 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: extras doesn't have gnumeric in it :)
May 31 02:41:31 <GAN8001> toss in Extras-devel, then.
May 31 02:41:40 <qwerty12_N800> extras wont wipe me down
May 31 02:42:01 <sidnei> good, i figured out how to enable extras without asking
May 31 02:42:06 <summatusmentis> what about maemo hackers?
May 31 02:42:08 <GAN8001> !!!!!
May 31 02:42:16 <qwerty12_N800> hell no
May 31 02:42:28 <GAN8001> Hackers is in Extras mostly, now
May 31 02:42:48 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 02:43:02 <GAN8001> Veeeery good
May 31 02:43:04 <rm_you> BBL, watching "IT Crowd" for the 8 billionth time :P
May 31 02:43:09 * GAN8001 gives rm_you a treat.
May 31 02:43:30 <qwerty12_N800> a glock?
May 31 02:43:35 <rm_you> :P
May 31 02:43:42 <GAN8001> Glocks suck ass
May 31 02:44:04 <sidnei> alright, shower time
May 31 02:44:05 <sidnei> bbiab
May 31 02:44:21 <rm_you> If I get a pistol, I want a beretta
May 31 02:44:23 <qwerty12_N800> in soviet russia glocks ass sucks you
May 31 02:44:23 <rm_you> BBL
May 31 02:44:43 <GAN8001> Berette?!?
May 31 02:44:43 <qwerty12_N800> or summat like that
May 31 02:44:46 <GAN8001> Good god man. . . .
May 31 02:44:57 <GAN8001> SIG is the way to go.
May 31 02:45:09 <rm_you> I can't help it... the beretta design just calls out to me
May 31 02:45:12 <GAN8001> Or just get a 1911.
May 31 02:45:14 <rm_you> they're so pretty <_<
May 31 02:45:15 <sidnei> just tell me where's extras devel, i cant find that
May 31 02:45:20 <GAN8001> Ugh . .. but BERETTA?!
May 31 02:45:22 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 02:45:27 <rm_you> >_>
May 31 02:45:34 <rm_you> BBL (for real this time(
May 31 02:45:37 <GAN8001> Beretta is the worst ever.
May 31 02:45:48 <rm_you> s/(e/e)/
May 31 02:45:50 <qwerty12_N800> extra-devel is on-the internetz
May 31 02:45:52 <GAN8001> sidnei, it's on the top in gronmayer
May 31 02:46:00 <rm_you> pft
May 31 02:46:06 <rm_you> BBL (for real this time!)
May 31 02:46:20 <GAN8001> WORST EVER
May 31 02:46:24 <GAN8001> Worse than a Glock
May 31 02:46:38 <sidnei> alright, as if i knew what gronmayer was
May 31 02:46:40 <sidnei> now i know :)
May 31 02:46:57 <qwerty12_N800> it's in #maemo topic :p
May 31 02:47:02 <summatusmentis> is abiword available?
May 31 02:47:09 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, still in beta
May 31 02:47:16 <GAN8001> Somebody may have stuck a binary somewhere
May 31 02:47:18 <summatusmentis> I thought i saw something on ITT, oh ok
May 31 02:47:20 <GAN8001> It's looking good
May 31 02:47:22 <GAN8001> but not quite ready.
May 31 02:47:40 <summatusmentis> fair enough.
May 31 02:49:55 <summatusmentis> what about browser-extras? is that worth adding?
May 31 02:50:21 <qwerty12_N800> just for greasemonkey only imho
May 31 02:50:49 <GAN8001> Somebody should poke them to push that shit to extras.
May 31 02:50:54 <summatusmentis> is there adblock?
May 31 02:51:10 <qwerty12_N800> not worth installing
May 31 02:51:15 <GAN8001> Don't bother
May 31 02:51:17 <GAN8001> Slow as shit
May 31 02:51:20 <GAN8001> Hosts/CSS
May 31 02:51:21 <summatusmentis> :-/ lame
May 31 02:51:37 <GAN8001> Hosts/CSS works fine
May 31 02:51:41 <GAN8001> and no performance impact.
May 31 02:52:04 <summatusmentis> what's the google calendar script thing?
May 31 02:53:53 <qwerty12_N800> actually, regarding hosts, under diablo, little bug, /etc/hostsname doesn't exist like it does in chinook
May 31 02:54:22 <qwerty12_N800> *hostname
May 31 02:54:30 <GAN8001> It's /etc/hosts anyway
May 31 02:55:07 <qwerty12_N800> nah, there is /etc/hostname for the loccal hostname of the it
May 31 02:55:23 <qwerty12_N800> /etc/hosts maps hosts  iirc
May 31 02:56:09 <GAN8001> For ad blocking it's /etc/hosts. ;)
May 31 02:56:22 <GAN8001>  /etc/hostname isn't relevant for that
May 31 02:56:51 <qwerty12_N800> i wasn't talking about ad blocking ;)
May 31 02:57:01 <qwerty12_N800> i said re hosts
May 31 02:57:21 * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick.
May 31 02:57:33 <qwerty12_N800> Ow.
May 31 02:57:40 <qwerty12_N800> i'm in pain
May 31 02:58:07 <qwerty12_N800> :p
May 31 02:58:14 * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick.
May 31 02:58:36 <qwerty12_N800> Please stop, the pain is unbearable.
May 31 02:59:15 * GAN8001 pokes qwerty12_N800 with a sharpened stick.
May 31 02:59:42 <qwerty12_N800> i'm in agony here
May 31 02:59:54 <GAN8001> No help for qwerty12_N800!
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