**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 02 02:59:56 2008 Jun 02 03:00:04 <|penguinbait|> e = mc 2 Jun 02 03:00:18 also true Jun 02 03:01:05 penguinbait, put a bomb in your next tablet. Jun 02 03:01:23 <|penguinbait|> #$!$#@ Jun 02 03:01:29 <|penguinbait|> booooomb Jun 02 03:02:04 'Oh, you like your new tablet then? BOOM!' Jun 02 03:02:25 <|penguinbait|> when will n900 be out :) Jun 02 03:02:46 Hopefully before next year. :/ Jun 02 03:02:59 or I'm going to be pissed. Jun 02 03:03:22 <|penguinbait|> I am back on my 800, and its driving me mad Jun 02 03:03:52 <|penguinbait|> I just really want to type with my thumbs? Jun 02 03:03:54 Ha Jun 02 03:04:03 N810 sucks anyway Jun 02 03:04:11 nuh uh! Jun 02 03:04:12 Do so then. Jun 02 03:04:14 <3 n810 Jun 02 03:04:20 Fullscreen keyboard. . . . Jun 02 03:04:25 <|penguinbait|> me to sum Jun 02 03:04:37 <|penguinbait|> I am the the onscreen thumbboard Jun 02 03:04:41 <|penguinbait|> hehe Jun 02 03:04:49 <|penguinbait|> I hate the onscreen thumbboard Jun 02 03:04:51 Set dpad to acticate osk Jun 02 03:04:55 Faik Jun 02 03:04:56 l Jun 02 03:05:03 it's the best. :P Jun 02 03:05:12 and now I can have my internet back! Jun 02 03:05:31 my ubuntu torrent finished downloading Jun 02 03:05:43 <|penguinbait|> I have nokia bt keyboard, and a iblue gps, so really its better than my 810 Jun 02 03:05:50 <|penguinbait|> yeah right :( Jun 02 03:06:09 I do about 40-60 wpm on osk Jun 02 03:07:05 I like the slight ridges on the keys on the n810, so I know where one key starts, and the other ends Jun 02 03:07:20 <|penguinbait|> I used to use handwriting recognition, but I have a nice scratch in my 800, so I hunt and peck with the stylus Jun 02 03:07:35 lame Jun 02 03:07:43 <|penguinbait|> I wish it had braces { } Jun 02 03:07:49 eek! scratches? Jun 02 03:07:56 it does, in the char picker Jun 02 03:08:05 but I assume you know that Jun 02 03:08:08 <|penguinbait|> pocket with keys Jun 02 03:08:13 <|penguinbait|> doh! Jun 02 03:08:28 do you not case your n800? Jun 02 03:08:28 <|penguinbait|> I was very happy to upgrade to my 810 :( Jun 02 03:08:42 what happened to it? why're you on the n800? Jun 02 03:08:51 Pocket with keys. . . . Jun 02 03:08:51 <|penguinbait|> I used to just put in my pocket Jun 02 03:09:09 <|penguinbait|> My 810 was stolen yesterday Jun 02 03:09:16 oh noes! Jun 02 03:09:21 <|penguinbait|> :( Jun 02 03:09:53 that bites hardcore Jun 02 03:10:09 <|penguinbait|> yes it does Jun 02 03:11:33 <|penguinbait|> It had flash and 3 partitions setup Jun 02 03:11:44 <|penguinbait|> but they were all fresh flash Jun 02 03:13:55 so no data gone then Jun 02 03:15:06 that sucks, how'd it happen? Jun 02 03:21:16 hello everyone... Jun 02 03:21:20 one question... Jun 02 03:21:30 nope, that's over your allotment Jun 02 03:21:41 its safe to disable the gps services in a n800? Jun 02 03:22:30 To what end? Jun 02 03:23:04 i dont have gps... Jun 02 03:23:41 Why're you worried about it? Jun 02 03:24:14 im not worried :) Jun 02 03:24:20 just a question... Jun 02 03:24:48 I can't see the harm, but neither can I see the purpose. ;) Jun 02 03:24:56 hehe, ok Jun 02 03:24:57 thanks Jun 02 03:26:30 <|penguinbait|> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20593&goto=newpost Jun 02 03:26:34 <|penguinbait|> nice Jun 02 03:26:51 <|penguinbait|> its going on the next one Jun 02 03:57:59 anyone here ever attempt to us dd to copy an ISO image to a usb drive or SD card, bit for bit, and boot it? Jun 02 03:58:21 * unixSnob is tempted to try it with a DSL linux iso Jun 02 03:58:31 I've heard it can be done Jun 02 03:58:46 never tried, but that's essentially what durning the ISO to a CD does right? Jun 02 04:03:00 I'm starting to doubt it'll work.. just found a doc on the dsl linux site talking about how to prepare a USB drive Jun 02 04:03:20 It gives several methods all of which are many steps.. nothing that simply copies the bits Jun 02 04:03:59 the easiest approach they mention is to mount the ISO and the drive, and copy all the files over. Then use "syslinux" to write the boot record Jun 02 04:04:24 can I see the link? Jun 02 04:05:23 Hello maemoeers Jun 02 04:05:32 http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive Jun 02 04:05:54 it's near the bottom "convert .iso..." Jun 02 04:06:38 * unixSnob wonders if syslinux is comparable to "sys a: c:" from the DOS days Jun 02 04:07:41 weird... Jun 02 04:09:07 anyway.. gotta sleep.. later Jun 02 04:36:04 night Jun 02 04:48:27 1gb should be enough for a debian installation on a n810, right? Jun 02 04:51:49 sure Jun 02 04:52:13 You'll be tight on space if you want to experiment though Jun 02 05:24:09 The maemo UI blog is so hilariously topical. Jun 02 05:24:47 link? Jun 02 05:26:14 GAN800 Jun 02 05:26:45 http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com Jun 02 05:27:21 little outdated :P Jun 02 05:27:34 hurm, wonder if nokia is still part of gnome mobile Jun 02 05:27:38 No kidding Jun 02 05:27:44 if so, how long do they plan on staying for Jun 02 05:27:55 and entirely devoid of useful content. Jun 02 05:28:04 seems like a wank fest Jun 02 05:28:11 Yes, they are. Jun 02 05:28:33 I'm sure the 4 hits they had per month were sufficient to make it worth their while :) Jun 02 05:28:33 Pressumably as long as they continue using GTK? Jun 02 05:28:44 roo Jun 02 05:29:22 doc|home, chicken and egg. ;) Jun 02 05:29:44 yup Jun 02 05:29:45 Gotta have content before you get hits. Jun 02 05:30:53 GAN800: I am wondering if they are going to pull a openmoko on the N800 Jun 02 05:31:04 keep the underlying framework (its all awesome) and just ditch the gtk UI Jun 02 05:31:18 You mean move to Qt? Jun 02 05:32:37 GTK/Hildon isn't going anywhere anytime soon; Jun 02 05:33:06 Fremantle will ship with community supported Qt and Harmattan with officially supported. Jun 02 05:33:58 * GAN800 pokes roope. Jun 02 05:33:58 so both toolkits will be shippped, but GTK+ will be the blessed one in the way of default apps been writen in it? Jun 02 05:34:07 we want more content. :) Jun 02 05:34:18 Right, patoh Jun 02 05:34:23 patoh: it won't be blessed one, it will be the one used for the default ui Jun 02 05:34:47 heh, I would call that blessed for the default ui :P Jun 02 05:34:51 In the default ui, you will first see QT on the phones Jun 02 05:34:54 * GAN800 is wondering how the virtual input methods will work out with Qt. Jun 02 05:35:00 patoh: you remind me of a joke Jun 02 05:35:07 i get that a lot Jun 02 05:35:14 A jewish mom gives two ties to her son Jun 02 05:35:27 And son wears one of these ties to her birthday Jun 02 05:35:42 And the mom says: so, you DIDN'T LIKE THE OTHER TIE? Jun 02 05:35:49 Ha Jun 02 05:38:01 reminds me of my ex girl friend Jun 02 05:41:31 huhu Jun 02 05:41:41 which girl? Jun 02 05:47:12 Close Jun 02 06:14:40 hello Jun 02 06:15:58 I messed up my scratchbox armel-target. What is the easiest way for reinstalling it? Jun 02 06:17:32 apt-get install ? Jun 02 06:18:21 I installed the scratchbox using the maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.1.sh -script Jun 02 06:19:05 I think I should just delete the directory /scratchbox/users/myUsername/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL Jun 02 06:19:16 but I'm not sure about that Jun 02 06:20:21 if not sure,rename it Jun 02 06:20:23 The Tegra line will be all-in-one, integrated systems on a chip, containing an 800MHz ARM CPU, GeForce GPU, image processor, HD video processor, and controllers for all other aspects of core operations (memory, USB ports, communication) Jun 02 06:20:37 The chipset is 1/10th the size of Intel's Atom and is ultra-low power. A single charge can allow the user to run audio for 130 hours or HD video for up to 30 hours. Jun 02 06:20:43 yeah, that sounds good, I'll try it Jun 02 06:22:34 Something is telling me that the last pair of numbers is somehow doctored... Jun 02 06:23:22 yeah, that sounds nearly too good to be true.. Jun 02 06:23:54 probably mixed up hours and minutes Jun 02 06:27:38 *or* they let video processor decode stuff in hardware directly from memory to the screen Jun 02 06:28:09 Still, numbers look like they have all got an extra 0 Jun 02 06:29:05 Btw, here is their reference device: http://images.macnn.com/esta/content/0804/nvidia-apx2500-10.jpg Jun 02 06:29:09 Anything familiar? Jun 02 06:35:10 RST38h, my personal opinion is that they're using a laptop battery. :D Jun 02 06:38:15 is there anyway to make my gtk program run as root when started from catalog? (cant use setuid since its gtk program :( ) Jun 02 06:42:50 GAN: They well may be Jun 02 06:43:02 30 hours is a lot even with a laptop battery though Jun 02 06:55:42 Morning all. Jun 02 06:56:42 morning Jun 02 06:57:06 howdy Jun 02 06:57:40 Ah, the 100m sprint winner is there too ;) Jun 02 06:58:44 he he Jun 02 06:58:51 pulled up a bit sore though :) Jun 02 06:59:09 X-Fade_: have a good time overall? Jun 02 06:59:51 trickie_: I thought it was really nice. Talked to a lot of people and now it is time to act on it :) Jun 02 07:00:30 X-Fade_: agreed! Jun 02 07:02:01 There is already a lot of ideas for the 100 Days plan: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days Jun 02 07:02:11 But please feel free to add more ;) Jun 02 07:04:15 i added one comment about maemo.org -> ITT syndication/stuff Jun 02 07:04:48 im not convinced developers are willing to go hunting in ITT for feedback, but i am sure it can be made easier to file bugs directly from there or mail a list for example Jun 02 07:05:45 This is where a centralised tracker would be of help too. Jun 02 07:06:35 But maybe we should just add a link to the bugtracker for that package in the catalog? Jun 02 07:06:35 for sure... was thinnking of adding somethign about that Jun 02 07:06:46 but i hesitated, becuase of the time involved Jun 02 07:06:49 So it would show up in feeds? Jun 02 07:06:56 and how to word it Jun 02 07:07:12 X-Fade_: you mean my comment? Jun 02 07:07:22 Yeah. Jun 02 07:07:51 As a short term fix, that should be easy and I think it would help. Jun 02 07:08:38 well i was thinking that if the guys at ITT are going to start a forum thread for each new app/release then they know where the app is being hosted, so that could also add a big button that links back to the right garage page to log bugs or post in the garage forum/list Jun 02 07:08:50 just convenience Jun 02 07:09:00 Using launchpad or something similar doesn't seem doable in 100 days. Jun 02 07:09:16 so if someone has an issue or feedback it is only laziness stopping them from filing it Jun 02 07:09:21 as it is one click to the form Jun 02 07:09:32 X-Fade_: yeah it would be a big migration Jun 02 07:09:49 and most likely take a lot of peoples time Jun 02 07:09:59 but a centralised tracker would be awesome Jun 02 07:10:31 anway... back to boring work... talk to you later Jun 02 07:12:27 Later. Jun 02 07:15:20 moin. Jun 02 07:35:13 yo Jun 02 07:36:23 yo Jun 02 07:36:29 i need help :D Jun 02 07:37:20 I need help *leave* Jun 02 07:37:25 lol Jun 02 07:37:28 i changed nick Jun 02 07:37:37 :P Jun 02 07:37:43 how do i install diablo Jun 02 07:37:44 What do you need help with? Jun 02 07:37:49 i put the repos in Jun 02 07:37:53 bleh, I don't know Jun 02 07:37:53 did a apt-get update Jun 02 07:37:59 lol Jun 02 07:38:16 you wait for the release, install , success Jun 02 07:38:16 You need the repo password, though. Jun 02 07:38:26 Ha Jun 02 07:38:36 oh Jun 02 07:38:50 crap Jun 02 07:38:57 ask querty :P Jun 02 07:40:55 hello :D Jun 02 07:42:09 hi Jun 02 07:42:11 :S Jun 02 07:42:28 friggin hate irc seems like everyone is dead Jun 02 07:42:47 davos1: it doesn't "seem" >;-) Jun 02 07:43:00 lol Jun 02 07:43:01 true Jun 02 07:43:12 do you know the repo pass for diablo? Jun 02 07:43:13 braaaaainssss Jun 02 07:43:16 does anyone? Jun 02 07:43:16 nope Jun 02 07:43:56 no idea. Actually, I didn't know Diablo had a password Jun 02 07:44:03 what sense does that make? Jun 02 07:44:07 dont know Jun 02 07:44:16 its just the repo Jun 02 07:44:51 meh Jun 02 07:46:06 * gomiam checks whether there is a way to access the diablo repository Jun 02 07:46:18 * davos1 thinks there is not Jun 02 07:46:38 * davos1 wishes querty12 was here Jun 02 07:48:12 oh, I see now. http://catalogue.tableeter.nokia.com/updates/diablo requires some realm based authentication Jun 02 07:50:13 I'll look at it after I get back from an incidence call. Jun 02 07:50:50 kk Jun 02 07:51:09 i cant load that page Jun 02 07:51:11 weird Jun 02 07:52:08 btw u spelt the site worng Jun 02 07:52:10 its Jun 02 07:52:12 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo Jun 02 08:00:32 yo ppls Jun 02 08:01:18 wow the debian xchat is a hell of a lot better than the one for maemo Jun 02 08:02:07 hans-castorp: moin. Jun 02 08:02:28 hans-castorp: if by "better" you mean "more content", then you're probably right :) Jun 02 08:07:40 anyone have luck on installing diablo? Jun 02 08:08:57 x-chat? c'mon, where is irssi? Jun 02 08:09:07 Hello. Does anyone know if you can get oprofile to work in scratchbox? Jun 02 08:10:13 jones-: with ARM binaries? Jun 02 08:10:32 kulve: no, i'd be happy to oprofile in a i386 target Jun 02 08:11:17 it's part of the kernel, so you can run it normally on PC. No need to involve SB there Jun 02 08:11:35 oh Jun 02 08:11:59 just need a few tools, which are in the repos Jun 02 08:12:15 (package oprofile) Jun 02 08:12:37 So I guess I can init and configure oprofile outside sb, and then run it inside. Jun 02 08:18:00 why? Jun 02 08:18:07 you can run oprofile on the device directly Jun 02 08:19:30 I was assuming it'd be much simpler to profile in sb Jun 02 08:19:36 no Jun 02 08:19:39 it won't Jun 02 08:19:48 it's not the real case, might falsify the data Jun 02 08:20:24 oh ok then Jun 02 08:20:34 jones-: it's about as easy in both environments Jun 02 08:20:52 Is this a good starting point? http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/chinook/oprofile/ Jun 02 08:20:55 yes, although I find real profiles better than fake ones Jun 02 08:21:31 Isn't oprofile in the new kernel already? Jun 02 08:21:54 I'm trying to program an app using C that will be querying information from a server trough HTTP requests, is there any lib that I could use to make the HTTP requests instead of using sockets? Jun 02 08:22:02 a lib availible in maemo already* Jun 02 08:22:17 beford: hmm, in C.. yes Jun 02 08:22:19 curl Jun 02 08:22:37 not sure if it's installed by default Jun 02 08:22:49 it is Jun 02 08:22:51 AStorm: no, but you can pull it from a repository. Jun 02 08:22:54 is it? Jun 02 08:23:03 open mouth, insert foot, then :-) Jun 02 08:23:03 Well, not in maemo, but on ITOS Jun 02 08:23:08 :> Jun 02 08:23:12 beford: curl Jun 02 08:23:47 ok thanks. Jun 02 08:23:59 Unfortunately curl in maemo is missing one essential function Jun 02 08:24:24 inz: which? (just curious) Jun 02 08:24:26 hmm? ssl? Jun 02 08:24:49 gomiam, the one that returns the time (in milliseconds) to next occurring timeout Jun 02 08:24:58 oh Jun 02 08:25:09 ah, not that bad Jun 02 08:25:28 this you can work around Jun 02 08:25:30 curl_multi_timeout is the one Jun 02 08:25:38 You cannot implement proper GSource for curl without that Jun 02 08:26:29 you can, with some hack Jun 02 08:27:47 Jun 02 08:27:49 Jun 02 08:27:49 got another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtkviewsourceviewer, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something without it? Jun 02 08:28:20 s/gtkviewsourceviewer/gtksourceview/ Jun 02 08:28:23 beford meant: got another question, I've seen somebody wrote pygtkedit wich uses gtksourceview, I was trying to compile something that required that package, but I was unable to find a libgtksourceviewer-dev package for maemo, so, how did he manage to write something w... Jun 02 08:28:56 beford: next time remember to add a g after the last / ;-) Jun 02 08:30:34 inz: anyway, if you want that, gnome-vfs is better Jun 02 08:30:41 it supports http and ftp too Jun 02 08:31:10 heh, it'd not have worked anyway, I used a different name when referring to the dev package :P Jun 02 08:31:31 beford: true, true. Jun 02 08:40:41 morning Jun 02 08:40:42 AStorm, does it do POST and all that fun? Jun 02 08:41:22 not sure Jun 02 08:44:55 hrw: morning Jun 02 10:08:35 ping Jun 02 10:10:04 pong? Jun 02 10:10:21 ping failed Jun 02 10:11:32 how to Rotate with Diablo ? Jun 02 10:13:40 bhaskar: you put your left foot at a some given angle x (so x%360 is not 0) and then put your right foot parallel to your left one. Repeat until the required number of rotations has been achieved. ;-) Jun 02 10:14:37 ha ha Jun 02 10:15:27 that is the one way.. Jun 02 10:16:15 but i tried, modified kernel with diablo, it doesn't work Jun 02 10:16:58 ping worked! Jun 02 10:18:00 gomiam: xD Jun 02 10:19:52 ping -b Jun 02 10:20:11 Phew, it didn't work Jun 02 10:24:50 libxml2 is part of maemo/itos, right? Jun 02 10:24:52 broadcast ping on channel this size might cause a bit of a flood Jun 02 10:24:56 beford, right Jun 02 10:25:14 beford, and IIRC so is expat ;) Jun 02 10:29:13 hey, how can I make the diablo work in scratchbox? Jun 02 10:29:49 herwood: Diablo has not been released yet, so ... Jun 02 10:29:57 aa, ok Jun 02 10:30:55 herwood: It should be compatible with chinook, with just some added libs. Jun 02 10:31:23 ok, thanks Jun 02 10:31:42 So porting an application from chinook to diablo should just be a recompile. Jun 02 10:32:34 ok Jun 02 10:32:51 is there even need for a recompile? Jun 02 10:34:19 kulve: Well some minor versions of libs could have been upgraded, so if you have strict deps.. Jun 02 10:34:27 But that is at a package level. Jun 02 10:36:45 X-Fade, why would you have strict deps? Jun 02 10:37:03 inz: Well I don't but some people do ;) Jun 02 10:37:29 X-Fade, if you have strict deps, then you have to change those too (i.e. not just a recompile) Jun 02 10:37:45 X-Fade, shlibs give you >= dependencies Jun 02 10:39:19 Yep. But I really wouldn't know if there are any cases which do not run without repackaging or rebuilding. We will have to see when the SDK gets released. Jun 02 10:58:50 Hey, does anyone know if maemo has the same problem debian had with generated ssh keys? Jun 02 10:59:54 probably it does Jun 02 11:01:48 shapr: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/36898#36898 Jun 02 11:03:56 kulve: Thanks! Jun 02 11:39:20 * lcuk ponders Jun 02 11:39:33 hi lcuk Jun 02 11:39:46 hi hrw :) get back safely then Jun 02 11:40:19 lcuk: yes - you too I see Jun 02 11:40:59 yes and back to work, ive come away from berlin with lots of thoughts and ideas Jun 02 11:41:45 I have to start from recompiling n8x0 kernel Jun 02 11:42:03 i bet your not doing that directly on the device though Jun 02 11:42:32 no - I am not so insane Jun 02 11:42:49 * lcuk thinks it would take forever, the nokia n8888888811111100000 would be out by the time its done Jun 02 11:42:50 goodbye CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST Jun 02 11:43:26 has anyone tried a2dp in n810? Jun 02 11:43:40 good idea, but will it be enough to allow anything to be plugged and accepted Jun 02 11:46:15 ooops, customers, back later Jun 02 11:50:13 lcuk: I have few powered hubs and n810 refuse to handle them Jun 02 11:50:44 and all those thanks to keesj who had some spare female<>female usb adapters Jun 02 11:58:18 hi, lcuk Jun 02 11:58:28 hi, hrw Jun 02 11:59:11 laba diena mgedmin Jun 02 12:05:47 hrw, keesj had everything in that little box of tricks didnt he Jun 02 12:06:05 hi mgedmin :) are you still travelling or have you returned home now Jun 02 12:06:15 home since yesterday Jun 02 12:06:20 lcuk: exactly Jun 02 12:06:41 mgedmin, did you have the same hotel issue as most others? Jun 02 12:06:58 watched a few mobile-related presentations from LugRadio Live 2008 on google video Jun 02 12:07:03 everyone is talking about building communities Jun 02 12:07:15 lcuk: "hotel issue"? Jun 02 12:07:21 I had to pay with my credit card, yes Jun 02 12:07:40 I sent an email to Nokia's travel agent and he said that's normal procedure Jun 02 12:07:59 "Billing is not possible with contract price." Jun 02 12:08:25 quim sent me a word document (boo! hiss!) for filling in an expense claim Jun 02 12:08:40 Nokia sponsored hotel for speakers? Jun 02 12:08:46 very frustrating and not expected, especially since the agency handled payments for the flights, ahhh so we just fill in and bobs your uncle Jun 02 12:08:59 yes hrw Jun 02 12:09:25 good to know for future Jun 02 12:10:00 ok, time to boot my kernel on n810 Jun 02 12:11:11 "FORMTEXT µ     §Haettu tehtävä / esimies Jun 02 12:11:11 " is what OpenOffice sees in that .doc Jun 02 12:11:26 ah! it looks better in the clipboard Jun 02 12:11:46 mgedmin, :) i have the .doc as well. thankfully my office 2000 should open it correctly ;) Jun 02 12:12:10 on screen I see a ‰ instead of ä Jun 02 12:12:15 * mgedmin hates open office Jun 02 12:12:20 and open office hates me right back Jun 02 12:12:40 shhhh, you cant say that on a linuxchannel ;) Jun 02 12:13:01 ok, changed to much in kernel Jun 02 12:13:34 * lcuk thinks french airport security are too finicky Jun 02 12:13:43 * mgedmin also hates expense forms Jun 02 12:14:06 this will be a new experience for me so ill savour every single field Jun 02 12:14:29 Hello all, is this an appropriate channel to ask about problems with large block device support on n770? Jun 02 12:14:58 I once paid £80 for a hotel in oxford from my pocket instead of submitting an expense form because I hate paperwork Jun 02 12:15:09 still, 500 EUR is a bit more than 80 GBP Jun 02 12:15:25 not that I'd get all of those back Jun 02 12:15:35 I stayed a couple of days extra Jun 02 12:16:51 mg, can you get privmsgs Jun 02 12:20:36 yes Jun 02 12:24:16 hi all Jun 02 12:25:03 I attached a 60 gig USB HDD to my n770 and it was picked up as /dev/sda but dmesg complains it is too big for the kernel and to add support for large block devices - seems unlikely to me I thought that was for disks over 2TB? does anyone have any idea what the problem might be, I have had it work before with a different USB hub (same model). Jun 02 12:25:19 I've been reading about vorbis playback on different forums etc, also I found out that there are numerous libraries for enabling vorbis. so, is mogg the best? I see that any given player will consume about 20% cpu on N8x0, that is kinda hefty right? Jun 02 12:45:37 who wrote usbcontrol? Jun 02 12:45:37 it would be interesting to see the actual power usage numbers of using the CPU instead of the DSP for mp3/ogg playback Jun 02 12:47:54 any one tried compiling gnash in scratchbox? [i am having trouble with libboost related stuff. on compiling gnash, i get linker errors saying '* symbols defined in discarded section *'] Jun 02 12:51:20 mgedmin: I'm assuming that mp3 currently does use dsp Jun 02 12:51:26 yes Jun 02 12:52:04 would make sens to offload decoding crapo to dsp but .. would that lead into energy saving Jun 02 12:52:08 or just snappier UI Jun 02 12:52:47 it would Jun 02 12:53:03 even just using integers in ogg decoder would lead to energy saving Jun 02 12:59:32 RST38h: not if you would compile float version for armv6vfp Jun 02 13:00:01 RST38h: but maemo binaries are mostly armv5te so vfp unit is "wasted" Jun 02 13:00:38 hrw: is there a magic command line option to change the model? Jun 02 13:01:06 [and are there any drawbacks? =)] Jun 02 13:01:38 TARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" Jun 02 13:01:56 ! thanks Jun 02 13:02:28 RST38h: or just use OE :D Jun 02 13:02:44 ~curse n810 a bit Jun 02 13:02:45 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, n810 a bit ! Jun 02 13:03:06 I connected powered hub and it refuse :( Jun 02 13:03:20 and see unpowered one Jun 02 13:03:45 does anyone know why my n770 is complaining about lack of support for large block devices in kernel when attaching 60 gig usb disk? Jun 02 13:04:32 ok. now I have n810->powered hub -> 1:pendrive 2: non-powered hub (7 ports) Jun 02 13:04:58 hrw: if you compile with that, you get hardware floats? Jun 02 13:05:04 Ave: yes Jun 02 13:05:08 in scratchbox cross? Jun 02 13:05:19 NO! Jun 02 13:05:22 never! Jun 02 13:05:25 ;) Jun 02 13:05:36 er what Jun 02 13:05:38 I never used scratchbox and do not plan to change it Jun 02 13:05:58 but is it possible if not feasible for you Jun 02 13:05:59 heh Jun 02 13:06:08 don't listen to him, he uses kde instead of gnome too Jun 02 13:07:11 /ignore hrw Jun 02 13:07:31 8 usb devices and still works... Jun 02 13:07:36 so er, what is the status of vorbis playback as of now? mogg, something tremor? Jun 02 13:07:36 wow Jun 02 13:08:02 I've got ogg-support installed Jun 02 13:08:08 the builtin media player can play oggs Jun 02 13:08:16 iirc I don't get metadata Jun 02 13:08:26 and iirc I can't click on a .ogg file in file manager Jun 02 13:09:07 10 Jun 02 13:09:10 hm I have mogg and all playrs grok ogg, but no metadata Jun 02 13:09:25 and eat cpu like there's no tomorrow, but atleast theres playback Jun 02 13:09:59 even when I'm playing mp3 my n810 gets noticeably warm in my hand Jun 02 13:10:07 this doesn't happen when I read ebooks with fbreader Jun 02 13:10:25 that's perhaps because of wifi Jun 02 13:10:33 no Jun 02 13:10:34 if I disable wifi, it's much colder Jun 02 13:10:39 the mp3 files are right here on the card Jun 02 13:10:41 hm Jun 02 13:11:04 didn't you read the bit about it acting as a portable heater in the product specs? :P Jun 02 13:11:24 this will get handy here later this year Jun 02 13:24:22 hm. 10 usb devices... need to charge some pdas Jun 02 13:28:03 16 Jun 02 13:28:51 heh...reminds me when I had 8 macbooks on my desk at my last job Jun 02 13:32:40 8? Jun 02 13:34:42 I was imaging them Jun 02 13:35:12 after that I turned them into an impromtu video encoding farm to *cough* test them :) Jun 02 13:35:45 lol, it's that easy to setup a video encoding farm? Jun 02 13:36:00 it was a short-bus kinda thing Jun 02 13:36:11 just tell each one to encode a different video Jun 02 13:36:11 hmm Jun 02 13:36:22 oh... that's not the same thing Jun 02 13:36:39 here I wasthinking you did some elaborate clustering Jun 02 13:36:59 well not really, but I had all 8 doing useful work facing me as I sat back in my chair :D Jun 02 13:37:08 lol, well, that's fair Jun 02 13:38:11 hrw, any interesting devices in that list? Jun 02 13:38:45 * mgedmin expects to hear "only usb drives and keyboards" Jun 02 13:38:56 heh...16 keyboards Jun 02 13:38:59 speaking of keyboards, how do you get the on-screen vkb back after you've used usbcontrol? Jun 02 13:39:12 reboot is the only reliable way I've found Jun 02 13:39:22 have you guys got usb disks to work properly then? because I have this 'large block device' error when I connect mine Jun 02 13:39:23 maybe there's a gconf key though now that I think about it... Jun 02 13:39:42 Z0m81e, hmm Jun 02 13:39:44 there used to be a program called hildon-im-switch, no? Jun 02 13:39:47 how big is the disk? Jun 02 13:40:02 60gb Jun 02 13:40:35 and the "large block device" message is a popup on the screen or in dmesg? Jun 02 13:40:38 johnx: phones, network card, serial port, storage, hubs, card reader, ps/2 adapter (keyb/mouse), bt... Jun 02 13:41:03 in dmesg when the disk is connected it gives the little summary table about the disk, the size is 0mb and it gives the error saying the disk is too big for the kernel Jun 02 13:41:14 O_o Jun 02 13:41:20 Hi johnx Jun 02 13:41:27 hi, Anunakin Jun 02 13:41:38 Z0m81e: can you pastebin the message? Jun 02 13:41:42 I have a working solution for mouse right and middle emulation Jun 02 13:41:44 :-) Jun 02 13:41:49 :'( Jun 02 13:42:13 I using ... keylaunch from OpenZaurus project.... Jun 02 13:42:23 Anunakin, seems reasonable Jun 02 13:42:32 mgedmin: i'll pop back in later with it the battery is flat atm Jun 02 13:42:54 * mgedmin has nokia chargers everywhere Jun 02 13:42:55 what filesystem is the disk? Jun 02 13:43:02 This associate a key pressed to a program and a key release to another Jun 02 13:43:17 yup, I've hacked around in keylaunch quite a bit Jun 02 13:43:19 the Keylauch from Debian ... not do it!!! Jun 02 13:43:32 doesn't work? Jun 02 13:43:35 I tried vfat and ext3 the result was the same both times Jun 02 13:43:37 no Jun 02 13:43:39 it could be a keymapping issue... Jun 02 13:43:51 You need keylaunch from OpenZaurus Jun 02 13:44:09 it works ... but needs too libs from GPE ... Jun 02 13:44:16 there must be openzaurus/angstrom specific patches? Jun 02 13:44:23 yes Jun 02 13:44:32 the version o Debian is 1.3.4 Jun 02 13:44:38 on OZ is 2.0.10 Jun 02 13:44:42 ah Jun 02 13:44:46 interesting Jun 02 13:45:09 I just successfully mapped pgup and pgdown on my N810, to fn-bksp and fn-enter respectively Jun 02 13:45:12 most convenient ever.. Jun 02 13:45:14 OZ version, has extra events... like pressed, released and held ... Jun 02 13:45:23 and a extra Fn mod key Jun 02 13:45:24 When i get back from work I will reflash it to the latest nokia image and try again, if it doesn't work i'll return armed with the exact error in pastebin Jun 02 13:45:36 cool Jun 02 13:45:48 Anunakin: keylaunch should not need GPE libraries, only some X stuff Jun 02 13:46:39 Z0m81e, are you using a powered hub? or was the n8x0 able to power the disk directly? Jun 02 13:49:41 johnx: its a n770, i've used a mains powered hub and the 5v soldered over from one of the slave ports back to the host port for the 770 Jun 02 13:49:53 aaaah...ok. Jun 02 13:50:00 I assumed it was an n8x0 for some reason Jun 02 13:50:43 I suppose it would be sensible to disconnect the wire and try the hdd through the hub off my laptop or something to rule that out Jun 02 13:50:54 Florian: Yes... but keylaunch from OZ project ... has many patchs who uses a lib from GPE... this make the extra events... like released and pressed Jun 02 13:51:55 this libs uses less then 200K only... Jun 02 13:52:06 2 only... gpelaunch and gpenotify Jun 02 13:52:48 others I removed ... Jun 02 13:53:35 man ... the Makefile of this OZ project ... needed to be remade to compile at SB ... Jun 02 13:53:39 :-/ Jun 02 13:54:03 I found a old version ... 2.0.7 from OZ... I see... this not using gpelaunch.... libs... I go try with it... Jun 02 13:55:54 keylaunch from debian not have pressed and released events.. I think that events are very good ... because I can have Menu+click -> right click and Chr+Click -> middle click Jun 02 13:56:31 debian has gpelaunch, unless I'm confused... Jun 02 13:58:02 are there any tutorials about making desktop plugins using python? or is this even possible? Jun 02 14:04:00 johnx, I compiled this from OZ sources... Jun 02 14:04:58 the debian version .... gpelaunch-dev , not have launch.h header Jun 02 14:05:33 I got many errors for compile keylaunch 2.0.10 ... for maemo/debian Jun 02 14:05:56 And we have another great post from Darius ;) Jun 02 14:06:15 X-Fade: fyi, rm_you was looking for you :) Jun 02 14:06:23 X-Fade, did he get the job he asked for? :D Jun 02 14:06:31 rm_you: I'm here now... Jun 02 14:06:52 Well, we have talked about him over beers in Berlin :) Jun 02 14:07:36 He now calls himself a Think-Tank. Jun 02 14:07:52 exciting Jun 02 14:09:25 is he fat? couldn't resist Jun 02 14:13:48 X-Fade: I wonder how many people are subscribed to his Google Group... Jun 02 14:13:48 is there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operaton on the root of my maemo install? Jun 02 14:14:08 Jaffa: It seems that he only does it to get clicks on his adsense? Jun 02 14:14:10 s/operaton/operate on/ Jun 02 14:14:11 summatusmentis meant: is there a way to make thunar from my debian chroot operate on on the root of my maemo install? Jun 02 14:14:51 you could use mount --bind Jun 02 14:15:04 to bind your / into /debian-chroot Jun 02 14:15:18 that would lose all maemo functionality though, right? Jun 02 14:15:48 hmm? Jun 02 14:16:13 well, wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. You're suggesting binding / to some dir under the debian chroot? Jun 02 14:16:15 basically: mount --bind / /debian-chroot/copy-of-maemo-root Jun 02 14:16:22 yeah Jun 02 14:16:38 then poke around it in thunar from inside /debian-chroot Jun 02 14:16:46 I assume you already bind mount /proc and /sys Jun 02 14:17:29 yeah, I'm just using the script on the wiki Jun 02 14:17:59 I haven't looked running debian stuff in a chroot at all Jun 02 14:20:00 it's nice... all debian apps, inside of maemo Jun 02 14:21:18 I can run wireshark in maemo, for instance Jun 02 14:27:47 hi qwerty12 Jun 02 14:27:52 hello summatusmentis Jun 02 14:31:47 * penguinbait slaps qwerty12 around a bit with a large trout Jun 02 14:32:34 well that's one way to say hello :P Jun 02 14:32:40 * qwerty12 slaps penguinbait for fun Jun 02 14:32:53 a little fishy though :) Jun 02 14:33:04 heh Jun 02 14:33:19 that was for your exit line,, what are you smokin? Jun 02 14:34:39 Some Class A stuff Jun 02 14:35:08 share? Jun 02 14:35:21 I smoked from 15-30, finally quit smoking cigs in 2003 Jun 02 14:35:33 cigarettes gross my out Jun 02 14:35:41 s/my/me/ Jun 02 14:35:41 summatusmentis meant: cigarettes gross me out Jun 02 14:35:46 I bought a boat, much more fun Jun 02 14:35:47 might just be generational though Jun 02 14:36:27 * qwerty12 doesn't like breathing in cigarette smoke. but the other stuff is nice :p Jun 02 14:36:40 smoking is bad for you, vaporizers are the way to go : Jun 02 14:36:48 :) Jun 02 14:36:57 heh Jun 02 14:37:26 heh, seems like nvidia is making waves in the mobile computing world :) Jun 02 14:37:45 penguinbait: vaporizers are expensive, from what I understand Jun 02 14:38:06 anything foreign in your lungs is bad Jun 02 14:38:19 but then that doesn't stop me :) Jun 02 14:38:33 I paid 450$, cost more that my tablet Jun 02 14:38:36 like an axe or a kitchen knife... Jun 02 14:38:36 heh Jun 02 14:39:00 trickie, I know what you mean. I put oxygen and tons of nitrogen in there all the time. I think I'm addicted :/ :P Jun 02 14:39:33 ha ha, well i meant beyond whats 'naturally' supposed to be in air you breath Jun 02 14:39:42 and yes i know that can be variable also Jun 02 14:39:47 a chrooted aptitude is kinda slow :) Jun 02 14:40:42 trickie_, you are in NL, there must be tons of good smoke there :p Jun 02 14:41:11 oooh... I'd love to visit NL sometime Jun 02 14:41:21 johnx: you mean you produce NO2 internally? Jun 02 14:41:36 nah...I import it. Jun 02 14:42:09 qwerty12: probably right, but alot of it probably full of nasty chemicals etc Jun 02 14:42:18 and usually I keep it separate... Jun 02 14:42:27 the days of 'smoke weed man, its natural' are well gone Jun 02 14:43:06 trickie: upgraded to mushrooms? =) Jun 02 14:43:15 build me a time machine, I'll go back to when it was legal and pure Jun 02 14:44:27 RST38h: nah, and if i wanted mushrooms i would go back to australia and pick them myself Jun 02 14:44:34 And even bananas are not the same: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/02/0033211&from=rss Jun 02 14:44:48 hi Jun 02 14:45:18 * trickie_ is getting old... not really interested goodies like that anymore Jun 02 14:45:42 * johnx resolves to eat more banana and peanut-butter sammiches before the banapocolypse Jun 02 14:46:02 is peanut-butter becoming extinct too? Jun 02 14:46:24 nah, but I like pb+b sandwiches :D Jun 02 14:46:29 ah Jun 02 14:46:52 Roaches have disappeared too, BTW Jun 02 14:47:03 BAD sign. Roaches can't be wrong. Jun 02 14:47:58 good riddance to the roaches! (but I didn't hear that piece of news...) Jun 02 14:48:30 well, at least in Moscow Jun 02 14:48:35 * qwerty12 is finding roaches in my house :/ Jun 02 14:48:46 * RST38h has not seen a roach here for a few years now Jun 02 14:49:23 aren't they like one of the most hardy creatures around? Jun 02 14:49:39 the question is, what do you do with all the weed you vaporize? Jun 02 14:49:53 whatever they were, seem to be gone now Jun 02 14:50:00 if they are going, then it cannot be long for the humans Jun 02 14:50:12 yep Jun 02 14:50:41 THEY SHALL NEVER TAKE ME! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA Jun 02 14:51:05 Don't let them take you alive. KILL 'EM ALL!!! Jun 02 14:51:31 Aye Captain Jun 02 14:52:03 just googled for news on roaches: verdict is there are still plenty around Jun 02 14:53:51 http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/e/es/esheep/439288_roach.jpg Jun 02 14:54:50 johnx, living in Florida, I can confirm roaches are doing just fine. :p Jun 02 14:55:50 alright, thanks for the response from our reporter on the spot, GAN800! back to you, RST38h Jun 02 14:56:08 Ha Jun 02 14:57:32 RogerS really has such boring posts. . . . Seems like they mostly just end up being everybody explaining why his assumptions are totally wrong. Jun 02 15:00:35 johnx: That's in Florida. They'll get destroyed by the Flood Jun 02 15:03:20 http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/03/smoking_starts_young.jpg Jun 02 15:03:32 picture of qwerty, as a baby :) Jun 02 15:05:24 sorry, its what happens when I am bored at work with no tablet :( Jun 02 15:08:43 lol Jun 02 15:17:13 ohshi--Darius found Quim's blog. Jun 02 15:17:50 I just wonder if he's serious or a really persistent troll Jun 02 15:18:28 I'm disturbed by the fact that he's probably serious. Jun 02 15:18:42 must be something lost in translation... Jun 02 15:19:11 johnx, something, yes, but the stupidity still shines on through Jun 02 15:19:24 heh Jun 02 15:19:33 Yeesh, Quim really went to town on the wiki. Jun 02 15:21:14 GAN800: I'm playing with putting the styling of the frontpage in a CSS atm. Jun 02 15:22:09 Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons works so well faded into that orange. Jun 02 15:22:25 s/works/work/ Jun 02 15:22:25 GAN800 meant: Yeah, I saw that. Jaffa's changes were a start, but I'm not sure if those icons work so well faded into that orange. Jun 02 15:22:38 GAN800: Well, at least we should get rid of the styling in the text ;) Jun 02 15:25:30 I wish I could just pull templates out of wikipedia without trying to navigate their insane webs of css and nested templates. . . . Jun 02 15:25:59 GAN800: Yeah, it imports 10 templates orso ;) Weird stuff. Jun 02 15:27:14 I just wanted the {{main}} template the other day, but it's got at least 4 other templates and 3 CSS classes . . . just styled the text instead. Jun 02 15:27:42 Wonder if there's a mediawiki 'plugin' that contains some of them. Jun 02 15:29:12 By the way, X-Fade, thanks to you, too, for the replies on the wiki. Jun 02 15:29:36 hi all! Jun 02 15:30:10 has anybody used a huawei umts usb modem successfuly with the a nokia 810 host mode? Jun 02 15:30:16 Quick note, though, I've been italicizing the comments on the main page to set them off a bit. Jun 02 15:30:32 GAN: DJS is Darius guy? Jun 02 15:30:35 GAN800: It is beginning to get really big.. Jun 02 15:31:03 Yeah, RST38h Jun 02 15:31:22 Hohoho Jun 02 15:31:36 X-Fade you want me to start pushing some stuff to 'main pages'? Jun 02 15:32:07 particulary stuff where Quim says we should set up a wikipage. Jun 02 15:32:27 GAN800: If some point really warrants discussion, then I think we need a separate page? Jun 02 15:32:28 What happened with his job application btw? =) Jun 02 15:32:59 RST38h: I think it dropped from the page. I'll check. Jun 02 15:33:22 GAN: Btw, thing that I have found about that discussion page is that concrete and abstract suggestions are mixed together. Maybe you should have two separate pages for these Jun 02 15:34:22 Abstract stuff about "developing maemo community along collaborative lines of communications between developers working for the common good bla bla" is good, but it is actual changes (however small) that make a difference Jun 02 15:34:28 I have to step out, bbl. Jun 02 15:34:48 Ah, I see Quim put in his two cents on the talk page as far as separate articles. :D Jun 02 15:35:24 RST38h, stuff like that is better suited to the 2010 agenda Jun 02 15:35:46 * GAN800 should get out of bed. Jun 02 15:38:16 GAN800: I'm not sure about the faded icons either, but the ones not overlaid upon made things too wide for my default browser window of ~900px Jun 02 15:39:57 I'm with you. Jun 02 15:40:55 GAN8001, with him in bed. Jun 02 15:40:59 oooooo Jun 02 15:42:22 Navi: shush, Mrs Jaffa might be running wireshark! Jun 02 15:42:30 :) Jun 02 15:42:34 Slumber party, Navi's the only one not invited! Jun 02 15:42:47 Like I want to be invited. Jun 02 15:45:18 The bot over in #openwrt has a pretty cool feature.. It outputs the subject line of new forum replies. Could be useful for #maemo to do that with internettablettalk.com Jun 02 15:46:37 NNnnnnnooooooo >_> Jun 02 15:46:49 infobot is annoying enough Jun 02 15:47:55 Morning gang. Jun 02 15:48:03 Morning Jun 02 15:48:04 Ugh Jun 02 15:48:12 That sounds like the spammiest idea ever. Jun 02 15:48:17 Especially from itT Jun 02 15:48:22 Anybody toyed with Einstein on an 800? I'm becoming obsessed with it. Jun 02 15:52:06 I've got a real Newton if I ever need to scratch that itch again. Jun 02 15:52:46 * SDuensin itches bad. Jun 02 15:53:33 I bought an eMate off ePay. Now I want a 2100. Jun 02 15:53:45 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/ Jun 02 15:54:37 I really hate that you need the AF-AF-Adapter. Jun 02 15:55:15 Hehe Jun 02 15:55:18 eMate is slooow Jun 02 15:55:51 Yea, but I'm in love with the OS. :-) Jun 02 15:57:22 hrw: have you got pictures of the actual devices? Jun 02 15:57:31 Anyone happen to know a decent free SIP service I could use for testing? Jun 02 15:57:33 that would be a bit more impressive than just the lsusb output Jun 02 15:57:48 mgedmin: too messy Jun 02 15:57:50 SDuensin, it's really an awesome platform. It was a sad day when Jobs shut it down. Jun 02 15:57:51 inz: ekiga? freeworlddialup? Jun 02 15:58:14 hrw: also, a USB panic button? what's that? Jun 02 15:58:24 I think I want one :-) Jun 02 15:58:31 is it big and red? Jun 02 15:58:31 mgedmin: go to 'I want one of those' site Jun 02 15:58:40 mgedmin: yes and you do not want it - no support Jun 02 15:58:43 mgedmin, ekiga sounds open sourcey, thanks ;) Jun 02 15:58:46 * hrw has to go Jun 02 15:58:50 bye guys Jun 02 15:58:57 hrw|gone: cu Jun 02 15:59:43 inz: sipphone.com paired with grandcentral Jun 02 16:00:03 my personal experience with SIP is very small Jun 02 16:00:57 RST38h, sign with "~~~~" :P Jun 02 16:01:32 What is ~~~~? Jun 02 16:02:58 http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/02/nsaatt.jpg <-- kinda old but still priceless Jun 02 16:03:07 mediawiki turns that into a signature. Jun 02 16:03:18 Ah, time included? Jun 02 16:03:26 Yeah Jun 02 16:03:30 cool Jun 02 16:07:02 GAN8001 - It is awesome. Which is why I want it on my 800. :-) Jun 02 16:07:24 The one big point about the Newton that a lot of people overlook is size. Jun 02 16:07:35 Yea. You could club people with it. Jun 02 16:07:40 You just can't write comfortably on a device that's much smaller than the Newton. Jun 02 16:08:07 Nope. Well, not without resorting to something like Graffiti. Jun 02 16:08:59 right.. graffiti is optimum Jun 02 16:09:00 heh...grafiti worked really well but broke my normal handwriting completeiy O_o Jun 02 16:09:24 I realized I was using my PDA too often when I wrote out a check in Graffiti. Jun 02 16:09:51 SDuensin: you're using your checkbook too often, I'd say ;) Jun 02 16:10:15 unixSnob - Well, I'm married now, so I no longer have the checkbook. :-) Jun 02 16:10:16 get a bill pay svc.. that way you don't have to write checks Jun 02 16:10:35 or get a spouse.. that works too Jun 02 16:10:51 heh...checks don't even exist where I'm living right now. Jun 02 16:11:01 europe? Jun 02 16:11:04 Japan Jun 02 16:11:18 is it all wire transfers and credit card there? Jun 02 16:11:30 not much of either Jun 02 16:11:43 ah, pay by cellphone, right? Jun 02 16:11:44 it's a lot of cash and rfid cards Jun 02 16:11:53 mostly cash though Jun 02 16:12:01 wow.. that's dark ages Jun 02 16:12:15 yeah, but it's like the steampunk dark ages :P Jun 02 16:12:18 I'm surprised to hear japan is heavily cash Jun 02 16:12:56 heh...yeah, I had started getting used to carrying just a debit card with a visa logo in the states... Jun 02 16:12:58 I recall using yen for everything.. but that was back in the 80s Jun 02 16:13:17 I have an rfid train pass I can add money to...in cash Jun 02 16:13:20 johnx: how about heating btw? Jun 02 16:13:26 wood Jun 02 16:13:32 coal Jun 02 16:13:38 :P Jun 02 16:13:39 I'm one credit card and one debit card, and very occasionally cash. Jun 02 16:13:49 Are rumors about using kerosene heater in one room only true? ;) Jun 02 16:13:54 One credit, one debit, lotta cash Jun 02 16:13:58 I own no credit cards Jun 02 16:14:01 RST38h, I think my built-in AC unit does heat too, but I use a little electric space heater Jun 02 16:14:13 doesn't sound bad Jun 02 16:14:17 RST38h, in some places, yes Jun 02 16:14:28 ...but most places are basically one room Jun 02 16:14:36 umgh Jun 02 16:14:41 I always pay off the balance on my credit when I use it, so no compounding interest :P Jun 02 16:15:03 electric space heater sounds terrible.. very inefficient, and poorly distributed Jun 02 16:15:26 unixSnob, you're not picturing a Japanese apartment properly Jun 02 16:15:35 it's probably different in bigger houses... Jun 02 16:15:37 If the japs weren't shoeless in the house, they'd be better off with radiant floors Jun 02 16:16:03 guess no one wants to walk on a hot tatami Jun 02 16:16:11 not much stuff gets permanently built-in to buildings here...I don't actually know why Jun 02 16:16:24 they really don't build to last in terms of buildings Jun 02 16:16:30 (just cars) Jun 02 16:16:46 ha.. their cars outlast their homes Jun 02 16:17:10 are house boats popular out there? Jun 02 16:17:36 * unixSnob googles for a Nissan house boat Jun 02 16:17:40 ah, but paying bills is totally retro-future though: I get a bill with a barcode in the mail and pay it at any convenience store in person...but I can pay with my cell phone's rfid (if I set it up...) or cash Jun 02 16:17:51 unix: electric space heater is very efficient Jun 02 16:18:02 RST38h: you're nuts Jun 02 16:18:15 yeah, I should mention that I use the electric space heater to heat *myself* not the whole damn apt Jun 02 16:18:23 unix: you are converting electricity to heat, directly Jun 02 16:18:29 there's so much waste in producing electric, before it even reaches the space heater Jun 02 16:18:41 perhaps you meant "economical" Jun 02 16:18:48 Jaffa, X-Fade, anybody else, got any suggestions for the title of the main page for this? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increase_openness Jun 02 16:18:54 sometimes electricity is cheapened by political influence Jun 02 16:18:59 Mapping openness? Jun 02 16:19:00 unix: no, I explicitely meant conversion efficiency Jun 02 16:19:33 you've thrown away 70% of the energy before it even gets to the space heater Jun 02 16:19:46 unix: do you suggest coal then? Jun 02 16:19:51 Sure, once you accept that, it's effecient from the wall outlet to the air Jun 02 16:20:01 and does somebody want to ponder out how to make this useful for us? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Main Jun 02 16:20:12 unix: in an appartment building? Jun 02 16:20:14 There's too many brackets, my eyes are bleeding. Jun 02 16:20:15 For efficient heating, I suggest direct conversion Eg. natural gas Jun 02 16:20:24 Natural Gas? :))) Jun 02 16:20:29 In Japan? :)))) Jun 02 16:20:42 GAN8001: "Increase transparency", perhaps. Jun 02 16:20:44 japan doesn't have that? Jun 02 16:20:54 no, unixSnob. Japan does not have natural gas. Jun 02 16:21:01 RST38h, uhm, really? Jun 02 16:21:10 GAN8001: And then "Increase transparency plan" page Jun 02 16:21:11 I should turn off my water heater then and figure out what it's using... Jun 02 16:21:12 what about propane? Jun 02 16:21:16 johnx: I don't mean you can't BUY natural gas Jun 02 16:21:30 johnx: Just mean it is not found naturally in Japan Jun 02 16:21:38 well, a lot of stuff isn't Jun 02 16:21:40 Jaffa, OK, that sounds fine. Jun 02 16:21:58 unixSnob: this stuff is expensive Jun 02 16:22:16 meh, Japan imports a metric butt-load of stuff Jun 02 16:22:22 unixSnob: it does not flow out of the ground, you have to transport it by ship, store it, etc Jun 02 16:22:23 Yeah, economics are not always consistent with efficiency Jun 02 16:22:23 most of it expensive Jun 02 16:22:35 unixSnob: electricity you can make Jun 02 16:22:50 A nuclear reactor, even a small one, produces shitloads of electricity Jun 02 16:22:54 usually by burning something.. what do the japanese power plants burn? Jun 02 16:22:55 a lot of places use natural gas for heating...I don't because I'm a little paranoid Jun 02 16:23:02 ah Jun 02 16:23:28 It actually produces heat too, and some Russian nuclear plants provide that heat to nearby cities Jun 02 16:23:38 I could use kerosene too, but theirs that pesky "open flame...inside my apt" problem Jun 02 16:23:53 apt-get remove open flame Jun 02 16:23:54 I know there's plenty of nuclear plants Jun 02 16:24:15 dunno which power source is the most prevalent Jun 02 16:24:41 Jaffa, "Increasing transparency" or "Increase transparency"? Jun 02 16:24:46 ground loops are the most efficient if your temps aren't extreme Jun 02 16:24:54 electricity by source (in Japan): Jun 02 16:24:59 2001: Jun 02 16:25:26 coal - 16.8%, Oil - 50.2%, Nuclear - 14.4%, Gas - 13.6% Hydro - 4% Jun 02 16:25:46 an interestingly close split Jun 02 16:25:59 lots of oil Jun 02 16:26:06 Another good option is diesel. A diesel engine makes enough heat in many cases, and the electric can be stored from that Jun 02 16:26:20 zap: it is 2001, oil was cheap Jun 02 16:26:49 in 2005, Nuclear bumped up to 30% Jun 02 16:26:59 well, figures Jun 02 16:27:03 yes, unixSnob, I will put a nice big V8 diesel, in my livingroom/bedroom/computer room...I fold my freaking breakfast table and store it for free space >_> Jun 02 16:27:03 GAN8001: Hmm, erm, increas*ing*, I think. Jun 02 16:27:09 offtopic: anyone seen the new us miliatry "RAY GUN" Jun 02 16:27:12 http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070125_ap_ray_gun.html Jun 02 16:27:18 plan was 37% in 2009 Jun 02 16:27:19 OK, we can always move it later if need be. Jun 02 16:27:21 hopefully that trend will continue Navi - nuclear is good for the global warming issue Jun 02 16:27:25 I heard some japan scientist succeeded to do cold termonuclear reaction Jun 02 16:27:39 zap: ACTR Jun 02 16:27:41 although that's not confirmed yet, but if so... Jun 02 16:27:44 Even YACTR Jun 02 16:28:03 YACTR - young adults of Christ the Redeemer Church Jun 02 16:28:07 do you mean that? Jun 02 16:28:30 there are lots of interesting fusion reactions that can be created, but most don't produce usable electricity Jun 02 16:28:31 johnx: bury the diesel outside your apt when no one is looking, and setup a heat transfer Jun 02 16:28:44 zap: Yet Another Cold Thermonuclear Reaction Jun 02 16:28:49 :) Jun 02 16:28:58 unixSnob, I'll buy you a six-pack of kirin original (beer) if you help with the install and explain to the neighbors Jun 02 16:29:03 johnx: then start gathering waste oil from local restaraunts for biodiesel Jun 02 16:29:11 Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Increasing_transparency Jun 02 16:29:12 lol Jun 02 16:29:27 hey, don't laugh, kirin's good stuff :P Jun 02 16:29:39 biodiesel is a buck a gallon, if you can get the waste oil for free Jun 02 16:30:17 biodiesel sucks Jun 02 16:30:18 unixSnob: plus taxes. In the US anyhow you're required to pay fuel taxes on any fuel you create. Jun 02 16:30:19 actually a grease burner would make more sense.. but you'd have to explain to the neighbors why your heater smells like mcdonalds Jun 02 16:30:25 will probably get kicked in the butt by locla restaurant owners Jun 02 16:30:32 unixSnob, also, my wife :P Jun 02 16:30:41 will then be kicked out of his appartment by the landlord Jun 02 16:30:49 GAN8001: Ideally we'd tag this as being part of 100_Days, somehow Jun 02 16:31:02 offer the landlord a kickback Jun 02 16:31:20 boot wife, write your own checks (always an option) Jun 02 16:31:23 unix: Maybe just use electric heater? Jun 02 16:31:27 We _really_ need to get a team of template builders. . . . Jun 02 16:31:37 yeah.. guess the electric heater doesn't sound so bad now Jun 02 16:31:46 unixSnob, I *can't* write checks here! :P pay attention :D Jun 02 16:31:57 GAN8001: Presumably templates can be parameterised? I need to do some reading up Jun 02 16:32:36 and actually it would be the "always smells like mcdonald's part that gets her not the johnx is playing with something dangerous again part :D Jun 02 16:33:40 If you live around the odor, your olfactory senses would adapt Jun 02 16:34:21 although some well designed waste oil burners will burn the byproducts as well, which is effectively clean Jun 02 16:34:28 OK, Jaffa, tagged it. Needs an icon, better text, and probably a less "warning-like" background color. Jun 02 16:34:31 nah...I think it would be more fun if you came over and we figured out how to bury a running diesel engine Jun 02 16:34:51 johnx: just find a local rave promotor Jun 02 16:35:05 Rave promotors always have to bury gas generators Jun 02 16:35:11 heh Jun 02 16:35:14 unixSnob: You are overlooking an important combustible power source Jun 02 16:35:37 unixSnob: Dried fecal matter. Jun 02 16:35:45 good point Jun 02 16:36:07 After all, you already decided that the smell does not matter... Jun 02 16:36:15 guess you'd bring in someone from Iceland for that Jun 02 16:36:23 and Japan already has the most advanced toilets in the world Jun 02 16:36:28 Icelanders supposedly barbeque with fecal matter Jun 02 16:36:48 johnx: Here is a perfect direction for technological advancement! Jun 02 16:36:52 johnx: yeah, but aren't their toilets becoming more western Jun 02 16:37:08 Somebody re-write this: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency Jun 02 16:37:13 When I was there, the US style toilets were more popular in homes Jun 02 16:37:13 more like western++ Jun 02 16:37:27 complete with integrated heater and bidet Jun 02 16:37:33 urgh Jun 02 16:37:37 heater? for what? Jun 02 16:37:42 butt warmer Jun 02 16:37:44 dur Jun 02 16:37:52 can't be Jun 02 16:37:55 :D Jun 02 16:37:55 eh? Jun 02 16:38:04 why not unixSnob? Jun 02 16:38:08 without heater, it will get all iced over in winter =) Jun 02 16:38:22 heh...almost O_o Jun 02 16:38:47 they overcomplicated it.. they should have just stuck to squatting Jun 02 16:38:59 what a waste of energy Jun 02 16:39:07 unixSnob, to borrow from slashdot: goodluckwiththat Jun 02 16:39:08 I don't need to heat my ass when I dump Jun 02 16:39:09 Lol Jun 02 16:39:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_toilets#Basic_features Jun 02 16:39:29 RST38h, I think Quim's idea with new wikipages is more of a planning thing and less of a final representation thing. Like, "what should be front and center so we can make it so?". Jun 02 16:39:32 Advanced features include heated seats Jun 02 16:39:34 and it's not like anything could go horribly wrong: http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/totos-z-series-toilets-recalled-due-to-fire-hazard/ Jun 02 16:39:51 GAN: Once again, I do not understand high-level things Jun 02 16:40:04 and a proxy sensor for automatic lid opening :P Jun 02 16:40:04 GAN: We have got the current documentation pages at maemo.org Jun 02 16:40:27 GAN: These are kind of hard to navigate although they are nicely classified (and this is why they are hard to navigate :)) Jun 02 16:40:46 I've always thought japanese toilets were pretty funny. Jun 02 16:40:46 the next step: bluetooth toilets, and personalized heat settings in maemo Jun 02 16:41:04 unixSnob, someone has done it...I have no doubt Jun 02 16:41:05 GAN: Making 1 doc page for each OS version fixes this problem and it does not inflate this page too much (it will be 3-5 screenfulls at most) Jun 02 16:41:34 RST38h, get to poking dneary to help focus the documentation organization. Jun 02 16:41:39 GAN: Creating more pages "as a planning thing" will lead to these pages staying in wiki forever and messing things up for people Jun 02 16:41:53 * Navi doesn't like to focus :oooo Jun 02 16:43:10 is anyone else having problems in diablo with app manager chaning some repositories from chinook to diablo? Jun 02 16:43:26 . . . Jun 02 16:43:35 Is the distribution field blank? Jun 02 16:45:39 in app manager? yeah Jun 02 16:45:53 There's your answer. :P Jun 02 16:46:32 right, and I didn't grasp that app manager keeps a list of repos separate from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jun 02 16:46:35 anyone tried rotation with diablo ? Jun 02 16:46:43 bhaskar, works fine Jun 02 16:46:53 GAN8001, so I can change it there and app manager changes it back Jun 02 16:47:16 Johnx: tks Jun 02 16:47:28 you have to flash the rotation kernel of course Jun 02 16:47:43 Blank distribution line == current distribution. Jun 02 16:47:57 johnx: i tried to boot without flash, but didn't work Jun 02 16:48:04 ok, but the problem is not honoring changes made to the file in sources.list.d Jun 02 16:48:22 bhaskar, interesting.. Jun 02 16:48:35 I'll flash back to the rotation kernel, but it worked earlier for me Jun 02 16:48:47 johnx, I've never had that issue that I can recall Jun 02 16:48:57 Maybe it writes over on quit or something? Jun 02 16:49:03 that's what I think Jun 02 16:49:28 Try closing Application manager, making the changes to the file and reopening? Jun 02 16:49:43 that's what I was having problems with Jun 02 16:50:19 making the change while app manager is closed still leads to app manager not honoring that file, then writing back diablo instead of chinook Jun 02 16:52:20 I'll write up a bug for it tomorrow...but for now, sleep Jun 02 16:52:50 'night Jun 02 16:53:05 good luck with the wiki Jun 02 16:53:22 Hehe, thanks, I think I may need it. Jun 02 16:58:58 Jaffa, OK, I figured out the Main template Jun 02 16:59:22 It's {{{1}}}, {{{2}}} for {{main|1|2}} Jun 02 17:01:23 I still need somebody to write me decent summaries for https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org Jun 02 17:01:56 hi konttori Jun 02 17:02:06 hi florian! Jun 02 17:10:53 What a brick: http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/gigabytes-m704-umpc-gets-reviewed-and-unboxed/ Jun 02 17:11:17 to be fair, it's a umpc not an mid Jun 02 17:11:31 It's still a brick. :P Jun 02 17:11:39 still, I don't know how anyone holds something like that for any length of time Jun 02 17:12:10 it looks sorta nice. lacks gaming buttons tho Jun 02 17:12:26 BRICK! :P Jun 02 17:12:34 and whats the waste of space on the kb.. Jun 02 17:12:42 That's a freaking VGA port on the bottom. Jun 02 17:12:52 yeah so Jun 02 17:13:36 different use Jun 02 17:13:49 it probably costs a bit too Jun 02 17:14:05 Endurance training for your arms? Jun 02 17:14:39 nuclear weapon shield Jun 02 17:14:41 one would probably have it against your leg or something if in a bus or so Jun 02 17:15:28 one would pretty much have to Jun 02 17:15:36 the kb/price are what kills it's market probably tho Jun 02 17:15:42 but then one would have trouble seeing the small screen (in my case at least) Jun 02 17:16:01 dunno. i wouldn't if i wear my glasses Jun 02 17:16:08 and if i dont' i'd have to keep it 5cm from my face anyways so Jun 02 17:17:03 I'm picturing using a screen that size with it sitting on my lap... Jun 02 17:17:19 I'd have to see it in person I guess, but I'm skeptical Jun 02 17:21:28 sad :( google translate can't translate google's own pages :/ Jun 02 17:21:33 umpc's with crappy battery life (i.e. same or worse than laptops) just don't make sense to me :( Jun 02 17:22:23 the umpc form factor (ie, bigger/heavier than an MID) doesn't make sense to me Jun 02 17:26:01 mmmm nVidia tegra: At its heart it combines an 800MHz ARM processor with GeForce graphics... lots of battery life. would prefer that over intel offering Jun 02 17:27:31 nvidia -> no docs, no free drivers Jun 02 17:27:49 kinda like what you already have with the povervr Jun 02 17:28:48 exactly, but i dont like intel and have nvidia (and amd) here. if i can cut out amd (for being evil and not buying nvidia..) then i am ok Jun 02 17:29:40 I don't buy their numbers. Jun 02 17:30:30 Seems like somebodt dropped an extra zero in there or they're taling MID formfactor with laptop sized battery. Jun 02 17:31:16 Either way, I'll stick to an established player and platform (i.e. TI and OMAP) for now, thanks. ;) Jun 02 17:36:30 well arm+geforce are pretty established, we just haven't tasted their soda yet. Jun 02 17:37:34 how's the power usage? Jun 02 17:37:43 I had the impression this was intel's strong side Jun 02 17:37:50 GeForce in the context of desktop rigs, not mobile devices. ;) Jun 02 17:37:52 curious.. what OS/distro are most of you running on your nokia? OS2007, OS2008, straight debian, etc. Jun 02 17:37:56 theorectic battery use isn't worth much, without knowing all the stuff that the thing will need too Jun 02 17:37:59 OS2008 Jun 02 17:38:02 ARM on a desktop? Jun 02 17:38:06 08 with KDE Jun 02 17:40:31 OS2008, OS2008 w/ KDE on microSD and Debian trial BOOT Jun 02 17:41:39 just OS2008 Jun 02 17:42:32 how is booting from an SD? I would imagine it might be kind of unstable.. there has been a couple of times where the internal memory card "blinked" for a second Jun 02 17:45:37 It's fine, wolfspirit. Jun 02 17:45:51 Marginally faster than booting from the flash. Jun 02 17:47:39 * unixSnob ran osso_pdfviewer filename.pdf and pdf viewer did not open the document.. what am I missing? Jun 02 17:47:43 doesnt that depend upon the speed class of mmc used? Jun 02 17:47:55 s/am I/is he/ Jun 02 17:48:30 lcuk, unless you're buying exceptionally shitty SD cards. . . . Jun 02 17:48:41 unixSnob: maemo-launcher sillyness Jun 02 17:49:04 GAN8001, i meant the opposite, if you buy a class 6 isnt that noticably faster than the internal Jun 02 17:49:06 the pdf viewer only processes dbus requests to open a file Jun 02 17:49:16 lcuk, no. Jun 02 17:49:23 Maybe in booting Jun 02 17:49:27 But not in regular usage. Jun 02 17:49:56 and I'm pretty sure we can attribute the booting speed to jffs2 nonsense. Jun 02 17:49:58 file access on the whole would be faster, ie if all my dev libraries and headers were on faster card when i compile it should be faster Jun 02 17:50:17 who know, where I can download latest firmware for n810 without requesting wlan adress? Jun 02 17:50:22 * unixSnob searches for 'dbus' Jun 02 17:50:32 hrhr, maybe tpb Jun 02 17:50:39 Why don't you want to give the wlan, though> Jun 02 17:50:40 tpb? Jun 02 17:50:41 ? Jun 02 17:50:42 hrhr, why do you need the firmware without a wlan address? Jun 02 17:51:08 my n810 will shiped to me in friday, I want download now =) Jun 02 17:51:34 but by friday the new image might be out :) have patience young NIT user Jun 02 17:52:16 hrhr: try searching for a torrent of the image Jun 02 17:52:33 then when you get the device, download the md5sums from the official site with your wlan id and check that you got a good image Jun 02 17:52:36 mgedmin: what the name of it? Jun 02 17:52:48 New google favicons. Jun 02 17:52:54 I believe the filename is present in the "download the os image" link on maemo.org/downloads Jun 02 17:53:04 RX-44-something Jun 02 17:53:20 no Jun 02 17:53:23 maybe that was a wiki? Jun 02 17:53:36 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 02 17:53:40 are there any know ..can i have n810 from china ... because i asked from dubai (AE) they didn't have.. do you think can i find from china ? Jun 02 17:54:12 where I can read about structure of firmware for modifying it ? Jun 02 17:54:36 maemo.org Jun 02 17:54:47 there was a howto on the wiki Jun 02 17:54:49 hrhr, you really dont sound like you want it for your just about to arrive new device Jun 02 17:54:50 how to modify the root fs Jun 02 17:54:52 or something Jun 02 17:55:23 what other uses are there for it? Jun 02 17:55:23 just come out and tell us what you need to extract from the image Jun 02 17:55:25 :P Jun 02 17:55:32 nobody hasn't no idea ? Jun 02 17:55:45 mrglinux: it's hard to understand your question Jun 02 17:55:56 mrglinux, i dont know which countries the 810 is available in, try searching nokia site Jun 02 17:56:01 do you want to buy a n810, and don't know where you can do that? Jun 02 17:56:32 anyone are from Russia here? Jun 02 17:56:48 mgedmin: exactly .. and i can just buy from dubai (that they didn't have) and china that i hope find that Jun 02 17:58:03 mrglinux: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=shop has a list of online shops Jun 02 17:58:29 the shop for mainland china doesn't list the n810 :( Jun 02 17:58:32 and i said it's better to ask here.. maybe someone bought from china and they guide me Jun 02 17:59:50 I had to get a friend in the US buy mine, and a coworker who was traveling to the US to bring it over Jun 02 17:59:54 I had to wait a few months :( Jun 02 17:59:55 mgedmin it's not important online shop doesn't have.. i can buy from shop..but i be certain i can find that Jun 02 18:00:43 why it is the status of this tablet ? Jun 02 18:00:51 Are all n810 built in Finland or not? Jun 02 18:00:55 it limited number Jun 02 18:01:01 Finland and Korea Jun 02 18:01:28 what's ironic is these things are probably made in China xD Jun 02 18:01:29 GAN8001: what difference? Jun 02 18:01:42 None Jun 02 18:01:51 quality? Jun 02 18:01:53 unixSnob, no, Korea and Finland. Jun 02 18:02:03 hmm.. nope, actually made in korea Jun 02 18:02:17 None that I've ever been able to find or heard reported, hrhr Jun 02 18:02:29 GAN8001: thx Jun 02 18:02:47 GAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ? Jun 02 18:02:59 how persent of devices have dead pixels? Jun 02 18:03:24 None that I've ever heard of, hrhr. Jun 02 18:03:40 You likely wouldn't be able to tell if there were, anyway. 225ppi Jun 02 18:04:00 mrglinux, Asian is largely unsupported by Nokia at this point. Jun 02 18:04:41 good...and one thing...what quality of slider n810? Jun 02 18:05:13 one of my 770s had a live blue pixel Jun 02 18:05:44 no info about hacking firmwares on wiki at maemo.org =( Jun 02 18:05:52 hrhr, what do you want to do? Jun 02 18:05:53 I've heard most Asian PDAs and phones are linux-based.. so perhaps Nokia doesn't want to compete in that market Jun 02 18:06:02 We could probably help you if you stated your intentions. Jun 02 18:06:36 GAN8001: but i think dubai is different .. china too .. most product of nokia has made in china.. and each product have you thought find in dubai but just this product doesn't .. and i dont know why is that status Jun 02 18:06:55 GAN8001: I want to understand how to separate in kernel root and other parts Jun 02 18:07:18 hrhr, ./flasher-3.0 -F -u Jun 02 18:07:26 hrhr: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ Jun 02 18:07:32 mrglinux, the platform doesn't have great support for Asian languages right now. Jun 02 18:07:33 X-Fade: launchpad sounds good Jun 02 18:07:45 thx, will read =) Jun 02 18:08:13 it is a bit old... Jun 02 18:08:23 but the principle is the same Jun 02 18:08:43 flasher can unpack the fiasco image into parts, one of which is the jffs2 root filesystem image Jun 02 18:09:07 a 64MB fake MTD device will be too small for OS2008 Jun 02 18:09:26 and you may need to fiddle with kernel options to have it reserve enough ram for 128MB images Jun 02 18:09:39 by 'kernel options' I mean the kernel command line Jun 02 18:10:15 you'll know if you get errors trying to modprobe the mtd device Jun 02 18:10:32 I know how read jffs,thx Jun 02 18:10:54 GAN8001: but i read about n810 and it was said support arabic too.. also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. and now we can ask why NOKIA hasn't supported asian language and i don't think so border it to add this future on it Jun 02 18:12:08 and after modifying I can build with flasher helps new firmware image? Jun 02 18:12:11 mrglinux, 3rd party asian language support is sorta there in a half-baked sort of way, but official support isn't. Jun 02 18:12:30 mrglinux, they're moving towards it (Diablo has much better built-in support as far as I can tell). Jun 02 18:12:35 but it's not there yet. Jun 02 18:13:01 They have limited resources to accomplish certain things, and asian language support hasn't been super high up on that list of things. Jun 02 18:13:26 sure it is, but its a long list :) Jun 02 18:13:52 it's so bad Jun 02 18:15:12 mrglinux, and don't extrapolate experience with Nokia and maemo to Linux as a whole. Jun 02 18:16:02 GAN8001: what do you mean? Jun 02 18:16:21 one man seeding firmware on TPB =) Jun 02 18:17:42 "also the os is linux .. and linux need some future to support another language .. " Jun 02 18:17:47 Linux isn't the issue. Jun 02 18:17:53 Nokia's asian language support is. Jun 02 18:19:43 can I boot different kernel from sd card with root on sd and all stuff? Jun 02 18:19:47 hmm... Jun 02 18:19:53 ummm what's it? http://benaneely.googlepages.com/img_1520.jpg Jun 02 18:20:21 vnc, Italodance. Jun 02 18:20:37 vnc player for n800? Jun 02 18:20:40 hrhr, read up on fanoush's initfs Jun 02 18:20:48 it's like a winamp cool Jun 02 18:20:51 No, Italodance, look up vnc Jun 02 18:21:02 oh Jun 02 18:21:11 It's like RemoteDesktop Jun 02 18:21:20 GAN8001 can it install on my n800? Jun 02 18:21:26 shit, trying to install mplayer buy repository is down :( Jun 02 18:21:29 vncviewer Jun 02 18:21:33 or least I think it is Jun 02 18:21:34 it's remote x app throught ssh Jun 02 18:21:57 Working fine here, wiza. Jun 02 18:21:58 GAN8001 vncviewer is just for remote or player too? Jun 02 18:22:14 Italodance, again, look up vnc Jun 02 18:22:20 It has nothing to do with music playback. Jun 02 18:22:30 ok Jun 02 18:22:49 GAN8001 do u know a cool app like winamp for n800? Jun 02 18:23:04 all: any expirience with build sdk on gentoo for ver. 2008? Jun 02 18:23:21 Italodance: canola Jun 02 18:23:29 There's only about a thousand media player apps, Italodance: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/ Jun 02 18:24:02 unixSnob no i want an equalizer Jun 02 18:24:34 mms didn't install well on my n800 Jun 02 18:26:32 what is your mind about this picture ? http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png :-D ? Jun 02 18:27:17 hello mrglinux Jun 02 18:27:22 khobi to? Jun 02 18:27:46 Italodance hi.. Jun 02 18:27:55 Italodance can speak persian ? Jun 02 18:28:12 lol baba toham keh hafezeh nadari Jun 02 18:28:13 **you Jun 02 18:28:24 Italodance ahan Jun 02 18:28:25 salam Jun 02 18:28:48 Italodance i remember you now Jun 02 18:29:34 please tell me someone mms can install on os2008? without x-term just a normal install Jun 02 18:30:29 GAN8001: why nokia has not bring in reseller in other country .. (specially famous country and city like dubai ) ? lol Jun 02 18:30:34 Italodance: i ask my friend to buy n810 from dubai but he searched from some big store and he couldn't find .. what do you think ? Jun 02 18:30:58 mrglinux to technotux Jun 02 18:32:14 have the n810 hard reset function? Jun 02 18:33:30 hrhr: reflashing the OS image is the equivalent of a hard reset Jun 02 18:33:50 Italodance: what's mms? Jun 02 18:34:02 xmms Jun 02 18:34:16 oh ghod, is that beast still alive? Jun 02 18:34:21 gtk 1.2 yuckery Jun 02 18:35:00 mgedmin: how about magic combo with formatting something Jun 02 18:35:27 hrhr: nope Jun 02 18:35:50 ok Jun 02 18:36:06 how I can kill n810 wih reflashing? Jun 02 18:36:11 *with Jun 02 18:36:23 pull the cable in the middle Jun 02 18:36:29 have the battery run out in the middle Jun 02 18:36:34 hello Jun 02 18:36:58 i'm running sbox-CHINOOK_X86 and trying to intall new applications Jun 02 18:37:07 hrhr: I think it's pretty hard to really kill a n810 while reflashing Jun 02 18:37:14 maybe if you flash the boot loader and that fails Jun 02 18:37:38 i would like to kno where are located the default displayed forlders : audio clips, documents etc Jun 02 18:37:40 It can only be killed if the NOLO flash gets screwed up. Jun 02 18:37:51 puffandstuff: ~/MyDocs/ Jun 02 18:37:53 mgedmin: in zaurus world it's realy hard, but I not know how it in n810 =) Jun 02 18:38:00 and that window of opportunity is significantly shorter than a second. Jun 02 18:38:01 in directories cleverly named .sounds, .documents, .video Jun 02 18:38:24 GAN800: I think someone said today or yesterday that the initfs was also needed for reflashing Jun 02 18:38:26 I hope that's wrong Jun 02 18:39:56 mgedmin, they're wrong. Jun 02 18:39:58 Just NOLO. Jun 02 18:40:22 I know fanoush wouldn't be cavalier about distributing an initfs flasher if that were the case. ;) Jun 02 18:41:13 good Jun 02 18:41:34 Still trying to talk somebody into improving the summaries for this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency and this https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#maemo.org Just use the information from the main articles. Jun 02 18:45:55 mgedmin, sorry i didnt understand Jun 02 18:46:19 * mgedmin blinks Jun 02 18:46:37 do you know what ~ means in linux systems? Jun 02 18:46:48 it's a shortcut for the home directory Jun 02 18:47:00 so ~/MyDocs would be /home/user/MyDocs in scratchbox Jun 02 18:47:11 and inside you'll find the audio clips, documents and other folders Jun 02 18:47:20 but those are hidden (i.e. their names start with a .) Jun 02 18:47:23 use ls -A to see them Jun 02 18:47:26 mgedmin, i agree MyDocs is a part of posix Jun 02 18:47:49 what? I'm pretty sure the POSIX standard never mentions the name 'MyDocs' Jun 02 18:48:14 need I protect cover for n810 screen? Jun 02 18:48:26 hrhr, I recommend a screen protector Jun 02 18:48:37 I like the Boxwave anti-glare Jun 02 18:48:45 Good texture, help a lot with glare. Jun 02 18:49:00 mgedmin, do you know what 'ironic' is ? thanks btw for your answer (i'm trying to read any paper i can find about maemo i'm not asking to piss you) Jun 02 18:49:14 GAN8001: ok,thx Jun 02 18:49:56 mgedmin, O_o ?? Jun 02 18:51:07 * mgedmin blinks Jun 02 18:51:11 well that was a bit weird Jun 02 18:51:20 I shall go and look up 'ironic' in a dictionary Jun 02 18:51:30 Ha Jun 02 18:51:32 has anyone been able to get golden sun working on vgba? Jun 02 18:51:49 I doubt you'll find his definition anywhere in there. :P Jun 02 19:15:44 GAN80001: Comments welcome: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Community-led_action_plan_process Jun 02 19:16:17 Jaffa: I moved some of the styling to CSS, do you want me to move more? Jun 02 19:16:47 X-Fade: wherever possible, that'd be great - as we're bound to use it in more than one place. Jun 02 19:17:20 Probably ;) Jun 02 19:20:02 Jaffa, seems fine. Be a little clearer/more verbose on the purpose and intentions though. Jun 02 19:22:15 We need a strong community leader. Jun 02 19:22:39 indeed Jun 02 19:24:20 * Jaffa thinks he's just volunteered :-) Jun 02 19:25:01 GAN8001 is not nokian? Jun 02 19:25:10 Ah, excellent, Jaffa. Jun 02 19:25:17 No, good point - maybe GAN8001 just volunteered ;-) Jun 02 19:25:21 has anyone ever got awt with java working on an nit? Jun 02 19:25:21 Definitely not, keesj. :P Jun 02 19:25:30 * GAN8001 doesn't want it! Jun 02 19:25:39 I would vote for Jaffa Jun 02 19:25:47 Ditto Jun 02 19:25:54 GAN8001 has too much fun without the burdon/hassle ;) Jun 02 19:26:02 ^^^^^^^ Jun 02 19:26:18 I do not I want, not what I'm obligated to. :P Jun 02 19:27:35 X-Fade, can you delete the "Donations" link from the sidebar on the mediawiki? Jun 02 19:28:16 hey, I have kind of an emergency question Jun 02 19:28:36 My friend jsut bought a N810 to bicycle across the US with Jun 02 19:28:49 and it won't boot (and he is on slow internet) Jun 02 19:29:12 Reboot loop or low battery? Jun 02 19:29:16 basicaly, the blue progress bar goes across the bottom all the way and then stops Jun 02 19:29:25 He says he has it plugged in Jun 02 19:30:09 he just bought this, did he ned to update sw r something? Jun 02 19:30:14 GAN8001: If I knew how ;) Mediawiki:Sidebar does not have the Donations link in there. It is something that gets added automatically? Jun 02 19:30:35 Do we need the community portal link btw? Jun 02 19:30:51 Crofton, it probably didn't ship with the most recent firmware Jun 02 19:31:02 though that really wouldn't have anything to do with booting issues. Jun 02 19:31:10 I'm not sure Jun 02 19:31:22 he bought it a week ago and has been doing great Jun 02 19:31:29 Jaffa: more seriousely. the wiki pages are already to much for me to gasp. Jun 02 19:31:41 X-Fade, no, probably not. Jun 02 19:31:44 now he is at his in-laws and gets on a train to the west coast tomorrow :) Jun 02 19:32:23 Crofton: tel him to invest his time on http://www.obico.de/ so he will be happy next year Jun 02 19:32:25 Crofton, he should just flash it. Jun 02 19:32:33 heh Jun 02 19:32:49 apparently "dial up" is involved Jun 02 19:32:55 Ouch Jun 02 19:33:02 crap, I wish this had happened before he left town Jun 02 19:33:30 Uh, well, he could bike out to a McDonalds, download the firmware there, then bring it back to flash. . . . Jun 02 19:33:49 The Windows flasher allows you to pick a local file, right? Jun 02 19:34:12 keesj, you mean the mediawiki syntax or the brainstorm pages? Jun 02 19:35:31 yes , that single 10 day page Jun 02 19:35:42 I need to be fed one item at the time Jun 02 19:36:03 It's a little busy Jun 02 19:36:09 are the 810 updates at maemo.org? Jun 02 19:36:11 I was trying to pull things off into separate pages. Jun 02 19:36:21 Crofton, tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Jun 02 19:36:38 GAN8001: I have cleaned up the sidebar. Jun 02 19:36:40 GAN8001: that is a very bad idea IMHO Jun 02 19:36:59 keesj, recommended by Quim and others. :P Jun 02 19:37:16 Leave a summary on the main page and pull the nitty gritty off into a "main" article. Jun 02 19:37:27 Like: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Increasing_transparency Jun 02 19:38:07 X-Fade, think there should be some links to maemo.org proper in the sidebar? Jun 02 19:38:28 I did not wat to give non positive energy Jun 02 19:39:10 GAN8001: Yes, but what shoud it say? maemo.org -> http://maemo.org ? :) Jun 02 19:39:17 *should Jun 02 19:40:01 [http://www.maemo.org/ maemo.org] Jun 02 19:40:12 Maybe Bugzilla, Downloads and Garage, too? Jun 02 19:40:13 He re-seated the SD card and it booted Jun 02 19:40:21 Crofton, orly? Jun 02 19:40:24 Interesting. . . . Jun 02 19:40:25 I told him to get this, so it better work :) Jun 02 19:40:42 in a few weeks he should see a friedn with fast internet Jun 02 19:40:48 GAN8001: I think I could better make a big template for the wiki so it has the same head as maemo.org? Jun 02 19:40:57 this is their principle communication device for three months Jun 02 19:41:52 X-Fade, I was thinking about that the other day Jun 02 19:42:01 http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=3Tzut&page_id=77478&v=6 Jun 02 19:42:07 N810 mention at the end Jun 02 19:42:11 Yes, I think it would probably be good to integrate it into the site better. Jun 02 19:42:35 Though there is a certain warm familiarity to the basic mediawiki layout. Jun 02 19:43:19 hello... is farsight 2 available for maemo? Jun 02 19:43:20 Sure, but we would only have the head. The rest stays MediaWiki like.. Jun 02 19:43:21 X-Fade, see here for how NOT to go about it, anyway. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Jun 02 19:43:52 GAN8001: Ugh... Jun 02 19:43:59 lol Jun 02 19:44:27 leandroal: not yet officially Jun 02 19:44:36 it should build and work Jun 02 19:44:48 if you have a recent enough gstreamer Jun 02 19:45:24 Tester_, thank you for the answer. Since it is possible to test and make it work in maemo, where can I obtain more information to do this? Jun 02 19:46:00 X-Fade, be nice if you could drop the mediawiki sidebar completely if you add the maemo.org header to the top. Jun 02 19:46:12 The two Search boxes will be bad, anyway, I think. Jun 02 19:46:14 leandroal: hmm... you ask me... (here or in #farsight) what exactly do you want to do? Jun 02 19:46:35 GAN8001: Or make it real simple like: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Jun 02 19:47:01 Oh, wow, this new? Jun 02 19:47:29 No, I have announced that some time ago. Jun 02 19:47:38 Yes, I remember now. Jun 02 19:47:49 I improved it some more. I will probably need to blog about it again ;) Jun 02 19:47:53 Anyway, yeah, looks fine. Jun 02 19:48:03 Tester_, I want to execute that example of videoconference into the device Jun 02 19:48:08 hi, jott Jun 02 19:48:33 Tester_, fs2-gui.py Jun 02 19:48:54 GAN8001: I did the same trick for search.maemo.org. Which is a google search box. Jun 02 19:50:59 Where is dneary hiding? Jun 02 19:51:06 I want the midgard wiki killed dead already. Jun 02 19:51:23 I haven't seen him online today. Jun 02 19:51:44 btw, did anyone see lardman online today? Jun 02 19:51:54 It is his birthday. Jun 02 19:52:19 it's surprising any of us are online Jun 02 19:52:38 pupnik_: It wasn't that much beer ;) Jun 02 19:53:14 Ha Jun 02 19:53:19 * mgedmin almost caught up with his mail & blogs Jun 02 19:53:28 X-Fade, did rm_you ever actually manage to get ahold of you? Jun 02 19:53:59 morning Jun 02 19:54:08 hey X-Fade got any pics? Jun 02 19:54:15 pupnik_: hi Jun 02 19:54:19 when release? Jun 02 19:54:20 'erro Jun 02 19:54:23 heya hrw Jun 02 19:54:45 i'd love pics of the pizza night in the tiergarten Jun 02 19:55:30 ah that should work if you have all of the proper packages... newer gst, recent enough pygst, etc Jun 02 19:56:17 Tester_, so, I just need to build farsight 2 in the scratchbox? Jun 02 19:56:31 release what hrw? Jun 02 19:56:34 yes Jun 02 19:56:39 get the git trunk Jun 02 19:56:52 but you need all the update gst/etc Jun 02 19:57:04 pupnik_: nothing - wrong window Jun 02 19:57:17 Tester_, good! ;) Jun 02 19:57:26 I will try Jun 02 19:57:31 thank you... Jun 02 19:57:33 :) Jun 02 19:58:17 GAN8001: Nope.. Jun 02 19:58:25 Haha Jun 02 19:58:33 He must've highlighted you damn near a hundred times. Jun 02 19:58:43 pupnik_: A few. Noting much.. Jun 02 19:58:48 GAN8001: When? Jun 02 19:59:02 Before you got back from LinuxTag Jun 02 19:59:22 See the logs from Thursday to Sunday Jun 02 19:59:28 Ah, well I had a 2 day away from PC weekend.. Jun 02 19:59:35 So I still have to catch up :) Jun 02 19:59:39 smart Jun 02 19:59:43 You probably have something like 200 highlights in there from rm_you and others. Jun 02 20:00:08 What was it about? Jun 02 20:00:10 It was "highlight X-Fade as many times as possible" weekend. :P Jun 02 20:00:26 harhar Jun 02 20:00:38 I kept bugging him about getting adv-backlight Extras, so he started trying to bug you about Extras. Jun 02 20:00:46 We got a few in on andre___, too. :D Jun 02 20:01:00 yeah, but i was only away for two days :) Jun 02 20:01:05 Ah I see a lot of pokes. Jun 02 20:01:11 and i normally shut down my computer when not here :) Jun 02 20:01:20 But no actual questions? :) Jun 02 20:01:47 He just wants access. Jun 02 20:02:02 To? extras? Jun 02 20:02:06 The rest of them were just me saying how awesome the work on the website was going. ;) Jun 02 20:02:07 Yeah Jun 02 20:02:46 Why doesn't he then just follow the instructions? :) Jun 02 20:03:22 Dunno, but feel free to make fun of him for it. Jun 02 20:03:25 Or even better: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request :) Jun 02 20:03:38 No need to even type the email anymore ;) Jun 02 20:05:45 Can I file on his behalf? Jun 02 20:05:59 GAN8001: Nah, just let him poke me some more ;) Jun 02 20:06:06 Haha Jun 02 20:06:11 No, it will fill in your info in the mail. Jun 02 20:06:24 More than what I see onscreen? Jun 02 20:06:33 I can't just replace generalantilles with rm_you? Jun 02 20:06:37 Yes, email etc.. Jun 02 20:06:46 OK, good to know. Jun 02 20:06:47 So the admins can just hit reply ;) Jun 02 20:07:01 * GAN8001 was all set to impersonate everybody. Jun 02 20:07:03 Which would be me, I'm lazy :D Jun 02 20:07:16 Lazy! Woo! Jun 02 20:07:24 * GAN8001 high-fives X-Fade Jun 02 20:07:45 Only lazy when a better solution in available though. Jun 02 20:07:52 anybody have a eblogger page? Jun 02 20:10:25 I mean a blogger page Jun 02 20:10:35 Yep, I do. Jun 02 20:10:57 may I see it? trying to recreate a decent blog page Jun 02 20:11:32 http://communitizer.blogspot.com/ Jun 02 20:12:02 Yeah, I know. A lot of dots :) Jun 02 20:12:02 thanks Jun 02 20:12:27 That sidebar is so huge Jun 02 20:12:37 Hi all, is anyone able to explain this error regarding disk being 'too big for this kernel' http://pastebin.com/m140cc17c Jun 02 20:12:55 GAN8001: Yeah, but it makes your content look bigger ;) Jun 02 20:13:02 <_< Jun 02 20:13:09 the device is a n770 running clean install from latest nokia release Jun 02 20:13:10 GAN8001: On a wide page it is only 4 lines ;) Jun 02 20:13:38 GAN8001: On my 1920x1200 screen, I can fit the entire blog post on one line orso :) Jun 02 20:13:48 how big is the disk? Jun 02 20:13:56 Horizontal scrolling in windowed mode on the tablet Jun 02 20:13:57 SHUN! Jun 02 20:14:30 GAN8001: Yeah, but I think I can better use the time to make maemo better. Jun 02 20:14:53 What an excuse. . . . Jun 02 20:14:56 penguinbait its a 60 gig disk in a usb caddy, I have a hub with the 5v wired across to the host port and the 770 in host mode Jun 02 20:16:26 lcuk ping Jun 02 20:16:45 I used a 500GB disk usb to my 800 and it worked great Jun 02 20:16:52 X-Fade: can i ask you a question? Jun 02 20:17:27 yeah I have had this disk in there once before, same model of hub with same wiring and it was ok but I blew that hub up and now it doesn't work with this new one, i'm not sure if its the hub or the device Jun 02 20:19:54 X-Fade: is the mediawiki's "Subscribe to changes" supposed to work? I've not got anything through. Jun 02 20:20:42 Jaffa: I haven't had any mails from it at least. And I subscribed too. Jun 02 20:21:07 But I do see the list of changes that I have subscribed to. Jun 02 20:22:28 hmm I removed wire from hub and plugged into PC instead and the disk just spins up and down a lot, maybe hub is bust Jun 02 20:25:40 bbtm Jun 02 20:27:46 I used this hub on my 770, years ago when I had a 770 Jun 02 20:27:47 http://www.pcworld.com/shopping/detail/prtprdid,17307927-sortby,retailer/specs.html Jun 02 20:28:30 I did not have to cross any wires, I just used a usb cable with an extra usb power conector on it Jun 02 20:29:44 penguinbait thanks may get one Jun 02 20:31:43 yeah got it, the crap psu on the hub can't provide enough power Jun 02 20:33:23 with the extra flying usb wire in my laptop giving the power its fine Jun 02 20:37:46 GAN8001: tried to firm up the text a bit, don't want to impose my will too much too soon: a) it won't get traction, b) I'm often wrong :-) Jun 02 20:38:31 you too Jun 02 20:41:07 Jaffa, initiative is good. ;) Jun 02 20:50:54 So, wikipedia has WikiProjects for organizing work on certain facets of the wiki, what about something similar (but much smaller in scale and more generic) for us on wikimaemo? To have a centralized place to go for work on the wiki. Jun 02 21:06:48 GAN8001: sounds like a capital idea, actually. Jun 02 21:07:07 There's far too much data in there that's too old or outdated for the newer hardware / software. Jun 02 21:08:01 Well, you know we're moving to mediawiki, right? Jun 02 21:08:33 dneary, Navi and others are working on going through all the old pages from the midgard wiki Jun 02 21:08:47 Ooh. Thought that had happened already. Jun 02 21:08:52 sorting out the outdated and just plain irrelevant stuff. Jun 02 21:08:54 No, ongoing Jun 02 21:08:56 * texel nods Jun 02 21:08:59 although they should be getting close. Jun 02 21:09:09 Well, that'll certainly be a huge improvement. Jun 02 21:09:26 And a wiki projects page to prune it occasionally will help as well. Jun 02 21:09:49 Anyway, my focus would largely be getting a good framework (templates, categories, etc) up for the mediawiki and moving forward with that Jun 02 21:09:53 and less so working on the old stuff Jun 02 21:09:56 I know there's been a few places where I've wondered about cleaning up the wiki, but been unsure if others were already doing such a thing. Jun 02 21:10:05 but we need a good, centralized organization point either way. Jun 02 21:10:08 * texel nods Jun 02 21:11:06 Wwe need all the help we can get. I've been holding off a bit until the migration actually takes place, but after that, it's all out and every extra pair of hands helps. ;) Jun 02 21:11:22 Especially since the mediawiki is such a fresh-start. Jun 02 21:11:43 I'd like to see it really take off and not end up wallowing around like we did for two years with midgard. Jun 02 21:13:06 Basically, though, I wouldn't invest any time into midgard at this point. Jun 02 21:13:49 * texel nods Jun 02 21:14:27 Need a good name . . . Jun 02 21:14:36 FixIT Jun 02 21:14:37 GAN8001: good idea Jun 02 21:14:54 Wiki Action Group - WAG Jun 02 21:14:59 or Maemo-Wiki Action Group Jun 02 21:15:01 WAG the DOG? =op Jun 02 21:15:19 hehe Jun 02 21:15:31 No idea what DOG would be. =op Jun 02 21:15:48 Damn Offtopic Garbage Jun 02 21:15:53 Hahaha Jun 02 21:15:55 Nice. Jun 02 21:16:20 Digital Originated Graphic. No, different context. Jun 02 21:16:45 Does bugzilla have a userprofile page? Jun 02 21:16:47 Wiki Action Group, the Data Organization Group Jun 02 21:16:52 Bleh Jun 02 21:16:53 Like: https://garage.maemo.org/users/generalantilles/ Jun 02 21:17:06 GAN8001: I don't think so. Jun 02 21:17:16 user accounts are used rather... ...sparingly in bugzilla. Jun 02 21:17:26 Mostly to track comments and bugs, but that's about it. Jun 02 21:17:33 I guess I'll just make a search that includes all the bugs I've actioned. Jun 02 21:19:33 By the way, when's the mediawiki gonna get rolled in with the karma system? Jun 02 21:21:08 I was wondering that, too. Jun 02 21:21:42 Make your edits as small and numerous as possible to karma whore. ;) :P Jun 02 21:22:17 "another itT redesign (tablet-friendly) is planned. --Reggie" I hope he gets moving on that soon. Jun 02 21:24:34 abiword is for chinook somewhere Jun 02 21:24:35 ? Jun 02 21:24:58 I don't think anything native yet, unless it happened today Jun 02 21:25:48 ok Jun 02 21:26:11 debian chroot + abiword works well though Jun 02 21:26:46 abiword is not a bug plagued disease now? Jun 02 21:27:11 !@#$@%@#$@#$#@ poorly designed third party chargers :( Jun 02 21:27:13 Abiword is around Jun 02 21:27:21 I don't think there's a binary about, though Jun 02 21:27:31 You can compile from svn, though, hrw|gone. Jun 02 21:27:33 ds3: hmm? Jun 02 21:27:46 GAN800: there is a binary in beta tests Jun 02 21:27:48 GAN8001: thx Jun 02 21:27:54 bye Jun 02 21:28:00 AStorm, CLOSED beta. ;) Jun 02 21:28:07 That's not "about" Jun 02 21:28:14 GAN8001: semi-closed - you can register easily ;P Jun 02 21:28:34 ds3: all the 3rd party chargers I've seen were too weak for N8x0 Jun 02 21:28:50 AStorm: oh I see Jun 02 21:28:53 Garnet runs on the n810? cool :) Jun 02 21:28:54 even the default AC-4e is slightly too weak Jun 02 21:29:06 AStorm: have you tried the cellpod? Jun 02 21:29:08 I just got back from a trip with a combo 12V/AC charger and it barely charged the N800 Jun 02 21:29:10 N8x0 can grab 800mA itself Jun 02 21:29:14 I use that with my N810 and have had no problems. Jun 02 21:29:14 texel: no, what is it? Jun 02 21:29:25 by barely I mean, I had to shut it down and let it just charge Jun 02 21:29:26 AStorm: it's a multi-port charger. Jun 02 21:29:33 Lemme see if I can find the URL. Jun 02 21:29:37 texel: but, what it's rated at? Jun 02 21:29:53 ds3: you had a very weak charger Jun 02 21:30:04 even the USB one can charge the device if not used really extensively Jun 02 21:30:06 AStorm: do you know if a 5.5V, 1A source will satisfy the N800? Jun 02 21:30:14 maybe I ran out of patience Jun 02 21:30:22 Ah. Sorry; it's called the chargepod. http://www.callpod.com/products/chargepod Jun 02 21:30:24 ds3: definitely... but 5,5V is a bit high Jun 02 21:30:33 drop it slightly Jun 02 21:30:36 maemowiki or wikimaemo? Jun 02 21:30:45 maemowiki Jun 02 21:30:47 AStorm: not sure, but I'm able to charge my N810 from dead to full in around a few hours. Jun 02 21:30:50 I was draining power faster then it was charging... all I was doing was listening to MP3's on a train with that charger plugged in Jun 02 21:31:07 texel: it's a bit weak, 500mA is like USB Jun 02 21:31:15 ds3: throw that junk away Jun 02 21:31:20 AStorm: Hmmmm interesting... all the 5.0V sources I have tried resulted in a "Not charging" message... but the 5.5V ones did just fine Jun 02 21:31:27 Hm. Jun 02 21:31:29 Ah wel. Jun 02 21:31:29 ds3: impossible Jun 02 21:31:31 well* Jun 02 21:31:33 probably bad source Jun 02 21:31:43 AStorm: well, that charger was compact for traveling Jun 02 21:31:46 N8x0 are rated at 5V Jun 02 21:32:02 both the 770 and N800 I have along with the Nokia phones did the same thing Jun 02 21:32:11 it would see the charger at 5V but then say it is not charging Jun 02 21:32:22 probably too low current Jun 02 21:32:30 Uses less power than what multiple chargers do, though -- which is a big win for me, actually. Power out here in .az.us is painfully expensive on SRP. Jun 02 21:32:32 and the charger automatic protection circuit fired Jun 02 21:32:37 I guess I'll run some experiments then Jun 02 21:33:03 I don't think it is low current.. that same 5V pack charged the treo just fine Jun 02 21:33:20 ds3: 300mA-400mA will charge the treo I guess Jun 02 21:33:34 it will barely keep N8x0 running Jun 02 21:34:03 I had one such weak charger (heh, my luck with factory plug prompted a few purchases) Jun 02 21:34:40 texel: if you can make it use two ports, then you're in a winning situation Jun 02 21:34:56 I'll have to build such a charger some day (for USB) Jun 02 21:34:58 AStorm: it isn't weak AFAIK... this is a Li battery pack with a internal regulator to feed 5V Jun 02 21:35:10 ds3: what's the output current rating? Jun 02 21:35:33 Li-Ion can't send too much current Jun 02 21:35:33 AStorm: heh -- I haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure it's possible. Jun 02 21:35:45 Trick is finding an adapter for the micro-USB connector. Jun 02 21:35:53 * texel still doesn't understand why Nokia used that... =o/ Jun 02 21:36:00 microUSB? wtf? Jun 02 21:36:10 N8x0 aren't charged through USB port Jun 02 21:36:10 AStorm: that's all the N810 has. Jun 02 21:36:35 at least, not yet - has that changed with the WiMax edition? Jun 02 21:36:44 Ahhh -- I misread. Jun 02 21:36:50 Sorry -- I saw USB and got confused. Jun 02 21:37:20 No idea about the WiMax edition. O.o Jun 02 21:37:37 hopefully Nokia will add USB charging in the next device Jun 02 21:38:06 As long as it's /not/ micro-USB, I'll be happy. =op Jun 02 21:38:13 it will be Jun 02 21:38:18 Blah. Jun 02 21:38:19 new phones have microUSB too, so... Jun 02 21:38:29 they will become more common Jun 02 21:38:29 Really? Jun 02 21:38:35 So then it's not that uncommon. Jun 02 21:38:35 yes Jun 02 21:38:39 Just uncommon here in the US. Jun 02 21:38:41 At the moment. Jun 02 21:38:44 uncommon yet Jun 02 21:38:50 most phones have miniUSB still Jun 02 21:38:55 * texel nods Jun 02 21:40:04 for extra lulz, I'll get some EE guys to build an RF charger for devices like N8x0 Jun 02 21:40:18 Nice. =o) Jun 02 21:40:27 except somewhat dangerous ;P Jun 02 21:40:37 how so? Jun 02 21:40:54 and I'm not sure enough power transfer is possible w/o frying everything around (including people) Jun 02 21:41:09 https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/User:Generalantilles/Sandbox/Wiki_Action_Group Jun 02 21:41:11 Depends on how you build the charger. Jun 02 21:41:21 I'll move it to a real page as soon as we figure out a name. :P Jun 02 21:41:29 texel: indeed, but longer RF are forbidden Jun 02 21:41:38 and ultrashort have very short range Jun 02 21:41:42 and low penetration Jun 02 21:41:54 Right. Jun 02 21:41:58 Maybe maemowiki Action Group Jun 02 21:42:03 But you don't need a very long range. Jun 02 21:42:07 GAN8001: wikiaddicts ;P Jun 02 21:42:12 texel: yeah, some m Jun 02 21:42:22 * texel raises an eyebrow Jun 02 21:42:25 AStorm, that'd be for wikipedia. :P Jun 02 21:42:32 Are you talking about broadcast power, as per Tesla's original theories? Jun 02 21:42:35 I'll ask someone more experienced if it's feasible Jun 02 21:42:45 texel: maybe, maybe not Jun 02 21:42:52 there are other, newer ways of power transfer Jun 02 21:43:01 although I'm not sure if they've been already implemented Jun 02 21:43:07 AStorm: well, there's already a prototype induction power charger that is essentially a mat on a table. Jun 02 21:43:26 induction is simple Jun 02 21:43:29 It's not RF, and not broadcast power, but as long as you have the other half of the coil, you're fine. Jun 02 21:43:49 I know how induction charging works, thank you... it'd be nice, but not nice enough Jun 02 21:44:05 Well, broadcast power is tricky. Jun 02 21:44:06 need RF or other form of short range broadcast for extra cool factor Jun 02 21:44:34 You have to be able to broadcast enough to pick up off of the carrier wave... Jun 02 21:44:45 ...but not enough to heat up other materials. =op Jun 02 21:45:03 The original idea was to use a scatter/gather system. Jun 02 21:45:22 AStorm: I don't have it handy but it was meant for powering bigger stuff... event has a 7.5V out connector Jun 02 21:45:25 Which meant /lots/ of antennae over a large area, sampling little bits of the original broadcast. Jun 02 21:45:35 ds3: voltage is one thing, current another Jun 02 21:45:59 texel: what about resonant induction charging for longer ranges? Jun 02 21:46:06 Hmm... Jun 02 21:46:06 feasible for how long range? Jun 02 21:46:08 I know... just saying it has all the signs it is built for a decent output Jun 02 21:46:26 but based on what you said, I should be able to run an experiment with a 7805 based charger Jun 02 21:46:31 AStorm: feasable, but requires quite a bit more power. Jun 02 21:46:38 texel: definitely Jun 02 21:46:46 not that whole lot Jun 02 21:46:51 Maybe if you increase the oscillation frequency you might get a bit more range... Jun 02 21:46:57 ...but unfortunately it would become line-of-sight. Jun 02 21:47:10 and radio police at my door? ;P Jun 02 21:47:16 Not for induction, really. Jun 02 21:47:22 mhm Jun 02 21:47:29 well, line of sight is good enough Jun 02 21:47:58 Trick there is that the intensity of the current would be variable based upon the distance from the base coils. Jun 02 21:48:57 No question, it's a /really/ hard problem. Jun 02 21:49:08 as long as it's not too large, a good power regulator could do Jun 02 21:49:10 The biggest of the issue is finding the right mix. Jun 02 21:49:17 yes Jun 02 21:49:47 Jaffa, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group Jun 02 21:50:03 N has a good valve power system fortunately, so temporary current fall means little Jun 02 21:50:19 * texel nods Jun 02 22:01:46 hello Jun 02 22:07:40 anyone know about parsing xml in python? Jun 02 22:08:00 hans-castorp: you might ask in #python. Jun 02 22:08:21 a good idea Jun 02 22:08:41 GAN8001, running all day without wifi and battery has barely moved ;) Jun 02 22:15:03 lcuk, you should get about 10-14 days at 100% idle Mr. I-can't-be-arsed-to-buy-a-real-router. :P Jun 02 22:15:32 Join the cool club, join MAG! https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group Jun 02 22:17:41 well i was just on the login screen and pondering if i had an account Jun 02 22:17:49 Garage Jun 02 22:18:04 It just uses the garage accounts. Jun 02 22:18:25 Which makes for ugly names, as they're all lowercase. Jun 02 22:18:50 hmm Jun 02 22:18:59 may 14: from garage: Thank you for registering on the garage web site. You have Jun 02 22:18:59 account with username lcuk created for you. Jun 02 22:19:11 today on the wiki: Login error: Jun 02 22:19:11 There is no user by the name "lcuk". Check your spelling. Jun 02 22:19:31 heh Jun 02 22:19:38 forgot to activate it? Jun 02 22:19:40 can i really mistype my nick that badly? Jun 02 22:19:45 1cuk? Jun 02 22:23:23 ok, rerererecreated account, i had been forgotten Jun 02 22:23:50 Poor lcuk. :( Jun 02 22:23:59 easily forgotten Jun 02 22:24:10 too short nick to remember Jun 02 22:25:04 poor kucl Jun 02 22:25:43 hmm anyone using roadmap? I can't get it to show anything :/ Jun 02 22:26:10 you need to have the base map installed in addition to the area maps Jun 02 22:26:38 hmm... that might be something I'm missing... where can I find some info? Jun 02 22:27:11 donno, it was trial and error mostly Jun 02 22:27:31 I got far enough to see the maps but couldn't get GPS to work :/ Jun 02 22:27:43 how did you install the base map, then? Jun 02 22:27:44 * lcuk is not lcuky Jun 02 22:29:13 somebody should port wallpaper-tray to maemo Jun 02 22:29:13 =( Jun 02 22:32:18 Mousey, vote https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3030 Jun 02 22:33:24 * Mousey votes Jun 02 22:33:48 Saviq: another tarball from the same page on sf.net Jun 02 22:34:11 sf.net? Jun 02 22:34:51 will try that, thanks Jun 02 22:34:53 where are you getting the maps from? Jun 02 22:35:04 or are you attempting the OSM stuff? Jun 02 22:35:09 yep Jun 02 22:35:10 that Jun 02 22:35:30 Oh... hmmm FWIW, I am using the TIGER maps Jun 02 22:35:59 yeah I'm in europe... Jun 02 22:36:27 let me find the page and get you the name of the file to try Jun 02 22:36:38 I found it Jun 02 22:36:41 http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/maps.html Jun 02 22:37:20 I think it was usdir.rdm.tar.gz for me Jun 02 22:37:28 * texel votes Jun 02 22:46:21 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/garnet-vm_1.0.1b_ITOS2008.deb Jun 02 22:46:31 trial? Jun 02 22:46:43 Beta Jun 02 22:46:46 Free for now. Jun 02 22:46:48 mmm, beta Jun 02 22:52:12 GAN8001: has there been an announcement on it being sold eventually? Jun 02 22:53:36 No, it may remain free forever. I don't know what they're doing with it. Jun 02 22:55:34 ah good, thought i missed an announcement Jun 02 22:57:23 anybody know how to get NavIt or Mapper (not maemo mapper) working on an n810? Jun 02 22:58:07 are these available for ARM? Jun 02 22:58:19 *armel Jun 02 22:58:34 u mean me? Jun 02 22:58:39 yes Jun 02 22:58:52 yea, they install just fine, they're in existing repos for os2008 Jun 02 22:58:59 but i can't get either to connect to the internal gps Jun 02 22:58:59 hmm Jun 02 22:59:08 internal GPS is a bluetooth one Jun 02 22:59:15 except no mac Jun 02 22:59:19 works with maemo mapper Jun 02 22:59:19 at least looks like it Jun 02 22:59:29 but the same trick doesn't work on Mapper Jun 02 22:59:33 you can try modifying gpsd config Jun 02 22:59:34 [which is a fork of maemo mapper] Jun 02 22:59:43 or passing the path to gpsd socket Jun 02 22:59:59 I think that has more to do with Maemo Mapper than the way the GPS is set up, AStorm. Jun 02 23:01:58 internal gps works near liverpool Jun 02 23:02:05 worked really well actually :D Jun 02 23:02:30 lcuk: should work anywhere, really -- that's the point of the GPS. =op Jun 02 23:03:06 in germany there were 4 of us with 810s and gps locking was shockingly bad Jun 02 23:03:45 in the end we all got a lock, but it must have taken about 20 minutes each minimum Jun 02 23:03:53 ok, garnet VM is officially cool Jun 02 23:03:55 imho Jun 02 23:10:53 lcuk, I'm assuming you saw the agps stuff for Diablo, right? Jun 02 23:11:07 saw? you mean at ltag?? Jun 02 23:11:31 No, itT Jun 02 23:11:52 nope, ive been busy getting real life back in order after 2 weeks of chaos Jun 02 23:12:04 ive barely read any net Jun 02 23:12:18 real life is over rated Jun 02 23:12:28 definitely Jun 02 23:12:37 Check the Diablo thread, but there's AGPS stuff in Diablo. They're talking sub-30s locks. Jun 02 23:12:40 I now have a plain presentation waiting to be spruced up Jun 02 23:12:54 nahhh its not - ive just got back from a comedy night with hattie haybridge and norman lovett :) Jun 02 23:13:42 GAN800, :) good - anything will help the frustration we have been feeling Jun 02 23:14:11 though tonight for the first time we got lost and were able to use it to get out of a bind Jun 02 23:14:52 gan800 so is there some diablo repos i can add and start grabbing that stuff now?! Jun 02 23:15:02 Not sure of the details, but it should get a location either from IP or by you taping your location on a map. Jun 02 23:15:03 or is it hardware specific to hardware taht isn't out yet or soemting Jun 02 23:15:10 Mousey, you need to get the password Jun 02 23:15:14 It's in the apt sources Jun 02 23:15:23 diablo repos are passworded?! Jun 02 23:15:30 http://anidel.blogspot.com/2008/05/gps-support-on-n8x0-is-coming-with.html Jun 02 23:15:38 blah Jun 02 23:15:41 It's not out yet, Mousey. Jun 02 23:16:28 hmph Jun 02 23:16:52 Somebody noticed that the upgrade repo was there (Marius mentioned it worked, and Benson, qwerty12, myself and some others did the upgrade soon after ;)), and upgraded Chinook installs using SSU. Jun 02 23:16:59 gan, so if we have home location fixed and known to the system if its switched on as we leave or in near area it will stay Jun 02 23:17:04 They stopped the leak by passwording the repo Jun 02 23:17:14 A-GPS available on other N-Series phones (e.g. N95 with new firmware update,N78, N82) requires packet data channel, MMS or GPRS. WiFi is not supported. N8x0 it is not a phone, how does it get the A-GPS? Jun 02 23:17:15 But the password is easy to get to. Jun 02 23:17:17 luso Jun 02 23:17:38 lcuk, it gets the location from whatever IP address you're carrying at the moment you try to connect. Jun 02 23:17:44 From Nokia's server. Jun 02 23:17:49 10.0.0.2 ;) Jun 02 23:17:54 External Jun 02 23:17:58 eyeroll. . . . Jun 02 23:18:15 and since its not connected to an ip whilst out driving (when its needed) it wont help much... Jun 02 23:18:37 ok, that's funny Jun 02 23:18:47 That's why they have a map you can tap on for when you don't have internet Jun 02 23:19:12 but would it be really difficult to say "here is home, try here first.. Jun 02 23:19:15 I'm pretty sure you can get assistance with data from a cellphone, too, but not sure on the details with that. Jun 02 23:19:37 lcuk, that's why you tap the giant map. Jun 02 23:19:54 or at least just remember the last location, normally you dont drive hundreds of miles every day Jun 02 23:20:04 hmm, gvm is more fun then first expected... Jun 02 23:20:16 Having it try potentially false location would increase the lock time by a lot. Jun 02 23:20:20 you mean it has NO idea where it might be at the start and i always have to start from the entire world? Jun 02 23:20:27 Honestly, I don't really know the details very well Jun 02 23:20:48 lcuk, no, I don't have an N810 Jun 02 23:20:50 lol i know, but havign to start from nowhere isnt really assisted, its like playing guess who Jun 02 23:20:53 I haven't installed the software Jun 02 23:20:59 GAN8001: actually, it'd help Jun 02 23:21:03 I've seen the screenshot, I've seen the descriptions. Jun 02 23:21:09 if you place an estimated location Jun 02 23:21:22 and the N had cached ephemeris data Jun 02 23:21:36 AStorm, what I'm saying, is if you tell it to guess you're at home everytime you connect, then that'll increase lock time when you're not at home. Jun 02 23:21:39 could try some after fixing Jun 02 23:21:44 As lcuk suggested. Jun 02 23:21:56 that fix time does not sound like agps, it sounds more like its just remembering last location Jun 02 23:21:57 what about a click on the map instead? Jun 02 23:22:10 AStorm, the method that you're talking about is EXACTLY what they do. . . . Jun 02 23:22:29 good Jun 02 23:22:35 that's a real improvement Jun 02 23:22:35 in germany we all walked to a meal getting a lock, got locks, went inside and turned off. on the way back it took just as long to get lock Jun 02 23:22:46 if it simply remembered where we were it wouldv been super quick Jun 02 23:22:49 hi Jun 02 23:23:34 lcuk, go install Diablo and tell us how it works. Jun 02 23:24:07 why, im just talking through what a logical program should do Jun 02 23:24:46 i wonder why every contacts app i have bumped into seems hell bent on turning two part names on a single line into last name first name comboes... Jun 02 23:25:55 because thats the most ocmmon breakdown option? Jun 02 23:26:36 Somebody should tell ludovicus that he's duplicating a ton of work. :\ Jun 02 23:27:06 funny enough lcuk, not in my part of the world... Jun 02 23:27:48 well ok then, its not totally true and it doesnt work even here all the time Jun 02 23:27:57 now, if they had given me the option to go first name last name or something, i would be quietly happy. but they seem either locked or worse... Jun 03 00:02:31 Join up! Join up! https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemowiki_Action_Group Jun 03 00:23:49 Hrm . . . how should I set up the MAG namespace? Jun 03 00:24:13 MAG:Topic or Maemowiki Action Group/Topic Jun 03 00:26:59 rename it MAGE ;) Jun 03 00:27:23 e? Jun 03 00:27:49 Maemo Action Group of Experts ;P Jun 03 00:27:50 I was thinking mWAG to make things more complicated. :D Jun 03 00:27:55 Ha Jun 03 00:28:21 Maemowiki Action Group of Editors, if you will Jun 03 00:28:30 offer punch and pie Jun 03 00:28:51 punch, I suspect the drink Jun 03 00:29:03 not the other kind Jun 03 00:29:30 Free hat! Jun 03 00:29:30 yer Jun 03 00:29:34 my god im tired Jun 03 00:30:11 Join my cool group then go to bed. :P Jun 03 00:31:52 The only problem I think you have is what do you call yourselfs, I suggest the "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society". Jun 03 00:32:09 more commonly known as CLITORIS Jun 03 00:32:35 (sorry, been to a red dwarf comedy evening) Jun 03 00:32:35 that's the name of the US jail system Jun 03 00:32:38 haha Jun 03 00:32:41 it's taken Jun 03 00:33:54 * lcuk met holly (and hilly) tonight Jun 03 00:36:09 how many people in the group Jun 03 00:36:15 you have to have a number after MAG Jun 03 00:36:22 the badges will look so much cooler Jun 03 00:36:32 MAG3 Jun 03 00:36:53 like it? Jun 03 00:37:10 1, me, right now, n800n. Jun 03 00:40:22 wiki maintainers should remove index.php from urls Jun 03 00:40:26 looks ugly :P Jun 03 00:42:04 Go convince the mediawiki guys. Jun 03 00:43:29 That's an upstream decision. Jun 03 00:44:48 I followed a guide on mediawiki site, or somewhere else, can't remember right now, and got rid of it Jun 03 00:44:50 I wish the n810 had better GPS reception. Jun 03 00:45:01 a more powerful processor (not ARM....) Jun 03 00:45:04 beford, find it and toss it X-Fade's direction, then. Jun 03 00:45:21 x86 would net you about 2 hours of battery life, Sargun. Jun 03 00:45:46 ARM (or MIPS) is really the only reasonable choice in the mobile space. Jun 03 00:45:55 and Diablo has A-GPS. Jun 03 00:48:10 or less... Jun 03 00:48:42 Clock for clock, ARM is much more efficient at this point. Jun 03 00:48:49 Wait for OMAP3 Jun 03 00:49:26 ARM has a high cost for context switches Jun 03 00:50:23 which translates to a terrible time threading Jun 03 00:52:49 Let me know when you find an x86 processor that gives decent battery life at these device sizes. ;) Jun 03 00:54:01 MIPs Jun 03 00:54:02 er Jun 03 00:54:04 MIPS Jun 03 00:54:48 hopefully intel figures out the Atom. Jun 03 00:55:37 They likely will Jun 03 00:55:45 But I doubt they'll ever really catch up with ARM. Jun 03 00:59:11 hopefully, nvidia figures out the Tegra Jun 03 00:59:15 in terms technologically, or market share? Jun 03 00:59:41 Why Tegra over OMAP? Jun 03 00:59:43 nvidia has ARM + geforce and superior battery performance Jun 03 01:00:07 lcuk, you have any real numbers to back that up? :P Jun 03 01:00:22 That marketing fluff they're dancing around right now? Jun 03 01:00:25 I don't think so. Jun 03 01:00:50 only whats released on their site Jun 03 01:00:50 http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html Jun 03 01:00:54 just same as atom Jun 03 01:00:59 meh Jun 03 01:01:10 in-house numbers are always skewed Jun 03 01:01:27 probably, but for the headlines, its damned impressive Jun 03 01:01:58 remember Intel made Xscale processors for the longest time. Jun 03 01:02:00 basically its full system on chip and very powerful Jun 03 01:02:04 Those kicked quite a bit of ass. Jun 03 01:02:15 yer and atom will be good as wel Jun 03 01:02:18 lcuk, exactly the same thing we've got with OMAP. Jun 03 01:02:28 except TI has actually shipped millions of devices. Jun 03 01:02:34 Nvidia has shipped exactly NADA Jun 03 01:02:37 apart from having a nvidia graphics card Jun 03 01:03:34 i have no doubts that TI are good, but something makes me want to cheer on nvidia in the same way I cheer for AMD Jun 03 01:03:46 What's that? Jun 03 01:04:43 Yeah, I don't see it. :P Jun 03 01:04:50 Did Nvidia even ship a graphics card themselves? Jun 03 01:04:51 Still, competition is good Jun 03 01:04:58 No, Sargun. Jun 03 01:05:01 I thought they were a mostly IP company? Jun 03 01:05:22 and TI has run pretty much unopposed in the high-end ARM SoC realm. Jun 03 01:05:57 tegra will kick ass Jun 03 01:07:02 n800n, you're basing that on what, exactly? Jun 03 01:07:12 Fanboy hype? Jun 03 01:07:16 That's always great. Jun 03 01:07:17 n800n, it looks that way :) Jun 03 01:07:19 Sounds like it to me. Jun 03 01:07:33 I'll reserve my judgement for once they actually ship a unit. Jun 03 01:07:37 indeed Jun 03 01:07:38 For now, it's just so much hot air. Jun 03 01:07:54 i like arm, does it matter which brand I buy? its coke v pepsi again :P Jun 03 01:08:04 lcuk, that's not the point. Jun 03 01:08:11 yes it is Jun 03 01:08:27 The point is overhyped fanboism based on absolutely nothing so far. ;) Jun 03 01:08:39 the big companies look to be coming out with amazing things this year. im pretty pleased this market is hotting up Jun 03 01:08:50 Are you European? Jun 03 01:08:54 yes Jun 03 01:09:02 Thought so. Jun 03 01:10:34 x86 is dying, long live 68k ;) Jun 03 01:12:05 lcuk, og, god. Jun 03 01:12:07 Pfft Jun 03 01:12:10 ARM11 Jun 03 01:12:43 Next you'll tell me that ASM is the next big language. Jun 03 01:12:45 no offense but nvidia has done some kickass stuff Jun 03 01:12:52 over a long period of time Jun 03 01:12:58 n800n, in the mobile realm? Jun 03 01:13:06 in the processor realm Jun 03 01:15:07 No offense, but marketing hype is a bad thing to base your judgement on. ;) Jun 03 01:15:18 and what's being european have anything to do with anything Jun 03 01:15:44 heh good strike there Jun 03 01:15:44 GAN, they have been designing/building chipsets and processors for years now - this computer and every one in my house has a nvidia motherboard and nvidia graphics card Jun 03 01:16:04 exactly Jun 03 01:16:11 and it wasn't 15 years ago like intel either Jun 03 01:16:15 they're still doing it Jun 03 01:17:06 Whatever, like I said, I'll pass my judgement when they actually have something more than marketing hype and fanboism to show us. Jun 03 01:17:13 they do more work for me than the AMD chip, they are multi core, fucking fast and are very well designed, just because they have a big exterior does not mean the tiny core needs to have all that around it Jun 03 01:17:40 whatever lcuk you fanboy Jun 03 01:17:45 you're fanboy Jun 03 01:17:47 fanboy Jun 03 01:17:52 facts :P Jun 03 01:17:54 just say you're a fanboy Jun 03 01:18:03 it'll make GAN happy Jun 03 01:18:05 i never thought i was until now :) Jun 03 01:18:21 its just common sense, they have proven reliability Jun 03 01:18:28 yup Jun 03 01:18:40 i see it the same way Jun 03 01:22:52 don't apple macs ship with nvidia graphics now? Jun 03 01:23:08 google says yes Jun 03 01:23:17 Both at the moment Jun 03 01:23:19 and Intel Jun 03 01:23:25 They alternate back and forth all the time. Jun 03 01:23:47 ATI in the G4 tower Jun 03 01:23:51 Nvidia in G5 Jun 03 01:23:58 they got smart heh Jun 03 01:24:15 I've always had much better experience with ATI Jun 03 01:24:22 Nvidia cards are pretty shitty overall on Mac. Jun 03 01:24:35 so, their market has a large portion of the pc market and in the macbooks and lots of other laptops and you say they arent in the mobile market? Jun 03 01:24:37 I wish I had been smart and gotten the X850 over the 6800 Ultra Jun 03 01:24:38 Nvidia cards are SHITTY? Jun 03 01:24:39 i used to love ATI until i got nvidia Jun 03 01:24:40 IMPOSSIBLE Jun 03 01:24:43 haha Jun 03 01:24:43 GTFO GAN8001 Jun 03 01:24:59 you guys are so off... i dunno exactly what you're using the cards for... Jun 03 01:25:01 New Mac Pros ship with ATI by default Jun 03 01:25:08 Nvidia is totally the best, period. There is no such thing as a shitty Nvidia card Jun 03 01:25:10 but for media production ati is a nightmare Jun 03 01:25:11 http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/performance.html Jun 03 01:25:14 do they gan? Jun 03 01:25:18 ATI sucks hands down Jun 03 01:25:23 n800n, Nvidia drivers don't support rotation. Jun 03 01:25:24 MacBook Pro features the color and clarity of NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with up to 512MB of GDDR3 memory. Jun 03 01:25:31 bollocks Jun 03 01:25:39 there's 3rd party stuff for any card Jun 03 01:25:41 oh, maybe in linux ;) Jun 03 01:25:42 for rotation Jun 03 01:25:45 sorry Jun 03 01:26:01 Mac Pros, not MacBooks. . . . Jun 03 01:26:09 The point being, Apple uses both a lot. Jun 03 01:26:20 The dominance seems to change every generation Jun 03 01:26:34 So trying to use Apple to "prove" your point is a poor decision. Jun 03 01:26:49 There's no point that needs proving Jun 03 01:26:49 ati made mistakes with they're media center software, it was just awful for years and years Jun 03 01:26:53 their* Jun 03 01:26:55 Besides, ATI drivers on OS X are consistently better than Nvidia Jun 03 01:27:03 heh Jun 03 01:27:06 ATI sucks. There is no way ATI can be better than Nvidia Jun 03 01:27:08 This is from direct, personal experience with both products. ;) Jun 03 01:27:10 nVidia is better. Jun 03 01:27:14 yup Jun 03 01:27:14 ......The standard graphics card — an ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, and two dual-link DVI ports —...... Jun 03 01:27:18 nVidia > ATI Jun 03 01:27:18 I don't acknowledge you Jun 03 01:27:22 haha Jun 03 01:27:22 For motion graphics, 3D modeling, rendering, or animation, you’ll need the greater graphics horsepower offered by the NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT with 512MB of GDDR3 memory and latest-generation NVIDIA GPU technology. Jun 03 01:27:28 Intel is somewhere between the two. Jun 03 01:27:30 hahahahah Jun 03 01:27:33 lol Jun 03 01:27:34 lcuk, or Quadro. Jun 03 01:27:38 OK, whatever Jun 03 01:27:41 thats apple themselves Jun 03 01:27:48 You guys seem to think I'm arguing that ATI is better than Nvidia Jun 03 01:27:49 http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/graphics.html Jun 03 01:27:57 Honestly, I could care less which card I get as long as it works. Jun 03 01:28:22 The point I was TRYING to get across is that making judgements based on marketing alone isn't very helpful. Jun 03 01:28:23 not at all, we are trying to show you that nvidia are amazing at what they do and im well impressed by what i see with tegra Jun 03 01:28:30 I'm really not interested in arguing this. Jun 03 01:28:30 nVidia sucks Jun 03 01:28:35 fuck nVidia Jun 03 01:28:38 who's talking about marketing tho Jun 03 01:28:47 like it's experience with the product Jun 03 01:28:51 The Tegra is ALL marketing at the moment. Jun 03 01:29:02 but the rest of their product line isnt Jun 03 01:29:07 The Tegra sucks Jun 03 01:29:13 haha Jun 03 01:29:24 More on-topic and less retarded, anybody have good experience with Mediawiki and templates? Jun 03 01:29:27 The C3 line of VIA processors are better Jun 03 01:29:33 I don't acknowledge you Jun 03 01:29:34 The Tegra sucks Jun 03 01:29:42 navi, more open i will give you that Jun 03 01:30:02 via is kinda exciting too Jun 03 01:30:13 VIA sucks Jun 03 01:30:15 hah Jun 03 01:30:20 I was making a suck to suck comparison Jun 03 01:30:42 GAN8001, no. Jun 03 01:30:42 but arent they the only ones who have opened sourced their graphics drivers Jun 03 01:31:12 i think via is really exciting for the embedded processor stuff Jun 03 01:31:20 at least it's been for a couple years Jun 03 01:31:37 they're niche-ey tho Jun 03 01:31:58 like there are a lot of people int car computers / carputers Jun 03 01:32:02 via is big in that part Jun 03 01:36:00 how do I compile a custom kernel for my nokia 770? Jun 03 01:45:32 *sigh* Jun 03 01:45:39 I am le tired Jun 03 01:48:01 le tired Jun 03 01:48:20 yep Jun 03 01:48:46 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnZMwKPmsbWE&ei=86JESM6dC5TeigGP0bjqBQ&usg=AFQjCNFct0NgrnEQyvFZ0N3M8p2azCQOEA&sig2=ZjgrAALrPCtB8qdiV_97oA Jun 03 01:48:52 that's not what I wanted Jun 03 01:49:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE Jun 03 01:50:02 Google's evil url tracking method Jun 03 01:50:43 summatusmentis, your clipboard slow, too? :P Jun 03 01:50:46 yeah, for real, geez Jun 03 01:51:11 GAN8001: no, i right clicked on the link and said "Copy Link Location" from a google search return Jun 03 01:51:19 and apparently that's what it gives you Jun 03 01:54:57 GAN8001: have you tried the garnet VM? Jun 03 02:20:14 Yes, summatusmentis, it works fine, but I have no need for Palm garbage. ;) Jun 03 02:26:43 Dubbed shit. Jun 03 02:26:55 wrong channel. Jun 03 02:28:58 GAN8001: no, I agree... it's just interesting Jun 03 02:29:20 Yeah, pretty cool. Jun 03 02:29:41 it'll make my uncle(a hardcore palm user) excited :) Jun 03 02:29:52 one-upping him is my goal in life :-P Jun 03 02:30:55 Ha Jun 03 02:37:15 has anyone noticed any file corruption while downloading files via maemo browser? Jun 03 02:38:58 no... is it subtle? Jun 03 02:40:28 penguinbait: only with your files Jun 03 02:40:39 maemo browser, and firefox on my local machine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 03 02:59:57 2008