**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 03 02:59:57 2008 Jun 03 03:22:06 why is 'wednesday' prononounced 'wendsday'? Jun 03 03:22:27 Because no one wants to pronounce it wed-nes-day Jun 03 03:23:36 i do Jun 03 03:24:02 I really don't Jun 03 03:24:59 I sometimes do Jun 03 03:25:03 when I'm in a weird mood Jun 03 03:49:06 * Surfer55 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) Jun 03 03:50:38 ugh... anyone have the previous topic? Jun 03 03:58:10 night Jun 03 03:58:33 GAN8001: thanks Jun 03 03:58:37 night lopz Jun 03 04:03:43 'night all Jun 03 05:11:02 Jun 03 05:26:19 Jun 03 07:04:00 How long until Diabloe? Jun 03 07:04:02 er Jun 03 07:04:03 Diablo? Jun 03 07:05:03 till the hell freezes over Jun 03 07:05:18 Sargun, next couple months maybe? Jun 03 07:05:34 s/next/within the next/ Jun 03 07:05:34 johnx meant: Sargun, within the next couple months maybe? Jun 03 07:05:40 johnx: it had to be 2008 Q2 ;) Jun 03 07:06:26 alright, so if it isn't out by june 30th, then it's late :) Jun 03 07:06:32 :) Jun 03 07:07:22 Hehe. Jun 03 07:07:34 its either that or I buy an external GPS receiver Jun 03 07:07:46 ah Jun 03 07:08:17 why not try and get yourself setup with the leaked diablo release? Jun 03 07:08:17 Mhm, Mass Effect on the N810. Jun 03 07:09:31 towo, through vnc? :P Jun 03 07:09:50 I've learned that's a bad idea Jun 03 07:10:01 especially as I don't only use my device for fun Jun 03 07:10:04 I use it for profit. Jun 03 07:10:35 how comfortable are you with the linux CLI? Jun 03 07:11:36 johnx: Well, I guess SecuROM would capsize that, shirley. Jun 03 07:11:37 very. Jun 03 07:11:46 johnx, I'm a Linux sysadmin :-) Jun 03 07:12:08 johnx, Why? Jun 03 07:12:16 … well, you could still be a SuSE clickee. ;) Jun 03 07:12:28 Nooo. Jun 03 07:12:46 Sargun, just clone copy of chinook to SD, boot from that and update that to diablo Jun 03 07:13:30 no more risk of messing up your install on the internal flash and you can see if the AGPS makes enough of a difference Jun 03 07:13:32 morning Jun 03 07:41:30 Oooh Jun 03 07:41:58 Just got my first tablet, an N800 Jun 03 07:44:20 cool Jun 03 07:44:35 already updated to the latest OS2008? Jun 03 07:48:41 No, the Application Manager can't refresh the package list Jun 03 07:48:57 I found a few reasons why this might be, will try them when less tired Jun 03 07:49:55 Nokia doesn't publish updates to the OS through app manager (repositories) yet. If you're still on OS2007, you need to flash to the latest OS2008 release Jun 03 07:50:52 Oh, I have OS2008, but there are OS updates Jun 03 07:51:14 With that, it's a dependency issue. Something about python Jun 03 07:51:29 hmm Jun 03 07:53:13 i guess you mean application updates? :) Jun 03 07:53:18 Also I can't install from .install files from maemo.org, it hangs while downloading. Jun 03 07:53:19 not OS itself? Jun 03 07:54:02 You'll want to look at the log in app manager to see which repo is failing to update Jun 03 07:54:13 Yes. When less tired Jun 03 07:54:19 fair enough :) Jun 03 07:55:26 Also I forgot the charging cable when I bought the n800 ($150 on CL), so it's currently charging off my earpiece's AC, at like 100 mAh Jun 03 07:57:22 My goal for tomorrow is to get Sunrise XP working with FBReader Jun 03 07:58:00 might be easier to just use cron+wget Jun 03 07:58:10 I like Sunrise XP Jun 03 07:58:10 fbreader copes with html Jun 03 07:58:38 webhttrack is another option Jun 03 07:58:48 I already use it with Plucker on my Zodiac, I don't want to change my setup too much Jun 03 07:59:16 Thinking to have it output the plucker files to an archive folder and then use SyncBack to copy the files to FBReader's library when it detects a card available Jun 03 08:00:32 seems reasonable, you could just rsync them to your tablet over wireless periodically too Jun 03 08:01:13 Nah, I have... issues around that. Jun 03 08:01:39 My home network is 802.11n because something near here just clobbers b/g signals Jun 03 08:02:10 I suppose I could try Bluetooth networking from the tablet Jun 03 08:02:43 if you do, look up maemo-pan Jun 03 08:02:44 Or build a faraday cage Jun 03 08:02:46 (IIRC) Jun 03 08:04:27 Is there an app repository that provides the .deb files for applications? Jun 03 08:04:31 I can install those Jun 03 08:04:55 the .install files contain that info Jun 03 08:05:09 just save and open in a text editor Jun 03 08:05:22 Well, this one isn't obvious Jun 03 08:05:32 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pymaemo/ Jun 03 08:06:23 I can't figure out where in the directory structure I'd find the binaries Jun 03 08:06:27 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ Jun 03 08:06:30 Morning, all Jun 03 08:07:20 Dekaritae, yes, then pool/4.0/free Jun 03 08:07:32 Ahh. I was looking at 4.1 Jun 03 08:07:35 pool is where .debs live, dist is where indexes live Jun 03 08:07:46 Yay Jun 03 08:07:47 4.0 is chinook, the current release Jun 03 08:08:05 4.1 is diablo, the release coming "real soon now" (tm) Jun 03 08:08:55 Is that the one with KDE? Jun 03 08:09:36 moring everyone Jun 03 08:09:51 moring Jun 03 08:10:02 Ok happy now. I think I can fix most of my problems from this Jun 03 08:10:05 Dekaritae, nah, the KDE thing isn't done by Nokia, it's done by a user here named penguinbait Jun 03 08:10:55 Ah, oki. Jun 03 08:17:13 morning Jun 03 08:19:58 morning hrw :D Jun 03 08:20:22 i want some new cool games for my n800 someone knows? Jun 03 08:26:07 Italodance: Install the Garnet VM, and get the PDAMill game packs Jun 03 08:26:43 All their Palm games are now freeware Jun 03 08:26:43 http://www.pdamill.com/prod_palm.shtml Jun 03 08:38:04 morning all Jun 03 08:40:35 Dekaritae: have you tested those games? how are they working with GVM and which resolution game should i choose? Jun 03 08:44:27 lardman: howdy Jun 03 08:46:03 Jaykie: 320x480 ones if possible Jun 03 08:47:38 ok thx...gotta try it later today Jun 03 08:54:55 hey trickie_, hrw Jun 03 08:55:05 hi lardman Jun 03 08:55:17 lardman: where you were at Saturday? Jun 03 08:55:40 "and... do you have someone who can confirm it?" Jun 03 08:55:40 XD Jun 03 08:56:08 hrw: I was sight seeing Jun 03 08:56:26 lardman: I have to do it once finally Jun 03 08:56:30 hrw: I only planned to come for the one day Jun 03 08:56:32 it was my 3rd trip to berlin Jun 03 08:57:00 hrw: Holly would have killed me if I'd abandoned her for another day :) plus we had to check in at the airport in the afternoon, so was a short and busy day Jun 03 08:57:34 ;) Jun 03 08:58:55 So what happened over the rest of the week? Jun 03 08:59:00 wiki sprint? Jun 03 08:59:12 nah, that died in the ass Jun 03 08:59:14 * lardman is checking email backlog - was at a wedding all weekend too Jun 03 08:59:22 I did not attent wiki sprint - I did not read emails during LT Jun 03 08:59:29 trickie_: ah well Jun 03 08:59:34 hrw: nor did I Jun 03 08:59:35 i got there earlyish on friday morn, but not too many bodies around Jun 03 08:59:50 had a chat to dneary about some things Jun 03 08:59:55 but not too much work was done Jun 03 09:00:11 interesting post by Josh Soref on 30/05/08 about the bug jar, asking people to tweak their bug reports Jun 03 09:07:01 Dekaritae tnx but i want 3D games like hexen duke ........ Jun 03 09:07:49 Italodance, all the ones I know about are listed on itt or pupnik.de Jun 03 09:08:48 pupnik: have you put your demo up? Jun 03 09:09:00 pupnik: whatever you were going to present that is Jun 03 09:13:57 johnx http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html wow it's real? Jun 03 09:15:16 pupnik hi are u there/? Jun 03 09:18:41 ~seen pupnik Jun 03 09:18:43 pupnik is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 5h 55m 6s, last said: 'i do'. Jun 03 09:18:54 :) interesting last words Jun 03 09:19:42 he he Jun 03 09:23:58 good morning Jun 03 09:25:20 has anyone done a summary of the LinuxTag talks? Jun 03 09:25:29 I was thinking of linking to mine from the wiki page Jun 03 09:26:55 what's this game http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg ? Jun 03 09:29:19 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/musings/ for anyone interested Jun 03 09:30:35 I have some raw voice files of most of the presentations. But it takes a lot of work to get them processed and online. Jun 03 09:31:02 yay dsp vorbis Jun 03 09:34:44 good set of slides Jun 03 09:35:30 did someone from nokia attend the event and/or comment on the issues? Jun 03 09:36:48 Ave: Quim Gil was there, Dunno about other Nokia "officials". Jun 03 09:37:00 there were some other Nokia employees as well. Jun 03 09:37:15 Ave: and commented a lot. Jun 03 09:37:17 Nokia employees are here? who? Jun 03 09:37:24 on linuxtag 2008 Jun 03 09:37:25 rather Jun 03 09:37:30 perhaps here too? Jun 03 09:37:48 * nomis would bet and looks at the nick list Jun 03 09:38:32 I tried to install tremor vorbisidec and hell if I saw any cpu usage improvement (didn't) Jun 03 09:38:44 <_berto_> I'll probably upload my slides somewhere sooner or later, but there's not much to see in them :) Jun 03 09:38:49 still eats around 15..20 accoding to top Jun 03 09:38:59 ~top Jun 03 09:39:00 i guess top is not a benchmark Jun 03 09:39:21 appears not to be Jun 03 09:39:44 dang, I have troubles mapping nicks to faces again. Jun 03 09:40:35 nomis: common problem Jun 03 09:40:50 nomis: it took me two days to notice that jott is jott Jun 03 09:41:19 I think that I got lardman, but thats easy since he has the same first name as me. Jun 03 09:41:55 is there any word on bug #1028 (powervr opengl drivers)? Jun 03 09:42:25 from linuxtag or otherwise at all from nokia? Jun 03 09:42:57 jeddy3: yeah: The drivers do exist, it is a legal problem to release them, Nokia-Employees want them released and there was mentioned a specific date (I forgot) to make a definitive statement. Jun 03 09:43:02 Kate commented on that a bit in Quim's talk. Jun 03 09:43:33 nomis, ah nice! as long as there is _something_ :) Jun 03 09:43:35 And they have confirmed that the acceleration actually works. As we were guessing about that too. Jun 03 09:43:58 X-Fade: were you at Linuxtag? If so, is there a photo of you online? ;) Jun 03 09:44:02 X-Fade, much more at ease with the issue already :) Jun 03 09:44:04 and they also told that drivers have lot of bugs Jun 03 09:44:24 nomis: I was the 2nd speaker. The one before Quim's talk. Jun 03 09:45:26 Ave: 12-20% is pretty normal for ogg playback with Tremor. With Vorbis, it's 30% or something, iirc Jun 03 09:45:42 ok, got you :) Jun 03 09:46:18 i think they said a definative statement on powervr before that maemo conference/day in sept... Jun 03 09:46:20 No pictures, I hope? :) Jun 03 09:46:33 X-Fade: the power of google: http://jaiku.com/image/18/avatar_98518_f.jpg Jun 03 09:46:41 X-Fade: I did get you on there Jun 03 09:46:45 Ah yes, that one ;) Jun 03 09:47:09 Me in front of the Petronas towers.. Jun 03 09:48:25 kulve: really? that'd mean that mogg uses tremor as well Jun 03 09:48:39 Ave: afaik, yes it does Jun 03 09:49:01 kulve: turns out I've used your packages but the "internal player" stopped indexing ogg files, sigh.. Jun 03 09:49:17 on other note, is it possible to use/see vorbis metadata at all? Jun 03 09:49:43 youamp does make use of it but I dont know if it uses the metadata crawler stuff at all Jun 03 09:51:01 Ave: The meta crawler can read some (like 2%) of the meta datas. I don't know why it doesn't read the rest. Nokia doesn't bother to reply to the bugs. Jun 03 09:52:15 related to utf perhaps? or non-ascii chars Jun 03 09:52:20 a wild guess Jun 03 09:52:51 I don't think so as it could show e.g. 1 song from the whole album even if they all contains only ascii. Jun 03 10:01:06 umm is it for Jagged Alliance 2 ? http://www.mininova.org/tor/1234106? Jun 03 10:02:09 Italodance: http://www.metaviewsoft.de/en/index.html Jun 03 10:02:18 rm_you: poke, poke.. Jun 03 10:02:52 Dekaritae tnx Jun 03 10:05:52 http://torrentportal.com/details/416105/Jagged+Alliance+2+Gold Jun 03 10:06:21 gold can works too? Jun 03 10:08:18 hi all Jun 03 10:18:55 * lardman reads the backlog Jun 03 10:19:33 Ave: re Tremor, tremor is better than libvorbis, but then tremor is all that't used so you won't see an improvement Jun 03 10:20:00 Ave: Bluez, specifically the sbc part had some optimisations which might produce cpu savings Jun 03 10:21:17 was interesting to hear from Kate that the PowerVR drivers are pretty messy; but at least we know there's no hw limitation that stops them from working :) Jun 03 10:23:06 hi, lardman Jun 03 10:23:21 hi mgedmin Jun 03 10:26:13 guys quick question: I have an n800 with os2008, the external mmc should be /dev/mmcblk0 and map to /media/mmc2 by default? Jun 03 10:26:31 nope, it maps to mmc1 Jun 03 10:26:33 IIRC Jun 03 10:26:41 * gomiam checks Jun 03 10:28:03 gomiam: that's what I thought, but it does not look like so, I have done sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 and it is 2gb more or less, moreover mount -a says that /dev/mmcblk0 is mounted on /media/mmc2 Jun 03 10:28:40 hi,, is Maemo garage is up.. i could and checkout from garage.. it says 403:forbidden Jun 03 10:28:44 yeah, mmmcblk0 is mounted on /media/mmc2. But mmcblk0 is the internal slot :-) Jun 03 10:29:33 gomiam: I do not remember how big the internal slot is Jun 03 10:29:34 lardman: mh ok, I'd be interested in doing some hacking(on N810) come summer Jun 03 10:29:40 soman: What are you trying to do? Jun 03 10:29:43 currently I'm tied in other er crap Jun 03 10:30:03 soman: It seems to work for me. Jun 03 10:30:12 im want to check out my project trunk Jun 03 10:30:28 simboss_: both SD slots are full-size on a n800 Jun 03 10:30:37 soman: Ok, let me check.. Jun 03 10:30:54 X-Fade: it says "PROPFIND request failed " Jun 03 10:30:58 soman: Which project? Jun 03 10:31:39 X-Fade: PROPFIND of '/svn/lahiri': 403 Forbidden (https://garage.maemo.org) Jun 03 10:31:59 Ave: cool, give me a shout then Jun 03 10:32:12 soman: I see it too. Just a moment. Jun 03 10:32:27 lardman: will do Jun 03 10:34:21 soman: Can you try now? Jun 03 10:34:26 Should be fixed. Jun 03 10:35:10 X-Fade: yeah... got it... thanks.. what was the probelm Jun 03 10:35:33 X-Fade: yes got it... Thanks Jun 03 10:35:53 soman: We just updated garage and you must have seen this during the switch. Jun 03 10:36:14 minti_: ? Jun 03 10:36:49 i was tring same Jun 03 10:36:49 yeah,,,. Jun 03 10:36:58 Ah ;) Jun 03 10:37:06 me and soman r woking 2gather Jun 03 10:37:11 Thanks Jun 03 10:37:16 X-Fade: Thanks anyway, Jun 03 10:37:38 No problem. Jun 03 10:41:20 <_berto_> hi, is the SSL certificate from https://garage.maemo.org/ affected by the debian openssl vulnerability ? Jun 03 10:44:31 would somebody know what these "Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated" messages mean in the end of the output after running a make deb command? Jun 03 10:44:43 guys: is it feasible to use anexternal mmc to extend root partition? Jun 03 10:45:16 Mikho: debhelper Jun 03 10:46:04 it checks the compatibility level in debian/compat and changes its behaviour to keep compatibility with old packages Jun 03 10:46:20 <_berto_> X-Fade: you there ? Jun 03 10:46:26 I see Jun 03 10:46:49 hm, there's no debian/compat file Jun 03 10:48:54 could be that I misremembered Jun 03 10:49:08 or maybe the lack of debian/compat implies level 1, which is certainly before level 4 :-) Jun 03 10:49:27 I'm not an expert in packaging; debhelper's documentation ought to have these things explained Jun 03 10:50:07 I Jun 03 10:50:22 'm looking for the documentation atm =) Jun 03 10:50:47 mgedmin: another thing to add to the "debian packaging for maemo developers" wiki page? ;) Jun 03 10:50:54 ah, found Jun 03 10:51:28 dunno, maybe, in a FAQ section somewhere Jun 03 10:51:36 you don't have to use debhelper in your debian packages; it Jun 03 10:51:42 it's just one of the more popular tools Jun 03 10:52:37 It seems all I need to do is to echo 4 in debian/compat Jun 03 10:54:45 does not debian/compat obsolete? Jun 03 10:58:52 ah, but now I have to conform to the newest compability level Jun 03 10:58:57 rats Jun 03 10:59:13 Sorry, I have a stupid question. Jun 03 10:59:27 How do I eject the card in the external SD slot on the n800? Jun 03 10:59:52 open the cover, wait a bit, then pull out the card Jun 03 11:00:06 if you open the cover and get an info popup saying "memory card in use", then DONT'T pull out the card Jun 03 11:00:26 Ok. How do I pull it out? Jun 03 11:00:30 IIRC there's no "now safe to remove memory card" popup... Jun 03 11:00:32 ah, that Jun 03 11:00:37 grow a long fingernail Jun 03 11:00:40 there's no spring :( Jun 03 11:00:46 vafanculo Jun 03 11:03:44 Card was a microSD adaptor, lacking the inset edge Jun 03 11:04:01 whee Jun 03 11:04:15 New card is better, yay Jun 03 11:04:21 NCIX has a sale on Jun 03 11:04:27 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26213 Jun 03 11:06:33 mmm, 16 gb Jun 03 11:07:11 mmm, 32 gb Jun 03 11:07:15 what??? Jun 03 11:07:17 where! Jun 03 11:07:18 WANT! Jun 03 11:07:24 Er. I bought two. Jun 03 11:07:27 aaah Jun 03 11:07:33 darn, n810 has only a minisd slot Jun 03 11:07:34 superglue Jun 03 11:08:01 lcuk: I may move one back into my Zodiac once dmitry releases his Palm SDHC driver Jun 03 11:08:37 well before that you could move one into my device :) i pwomise ill return it when you need it ;) Jun 03 11:09:13 i feel inadequate with my 1gb card Jun 03 11:09:40 dont worry, it's how you use it Jun 03 11:09:46 You should. I fould one in my cereal the other day Jun 03 11:10:08 well 2.5mb of it has been used for sketches :) thats quite a healthy amount of home made data Jun 03 11:10:15 I got 4gb minisd for relatively cheap the other day.. Jun 03 11:10:33 sdhc even Jun 03 11:11:06 i needed an adapter thing, and the 1gb was all i could find, now i have it when i replace ill just get a bigger micro one Jun 03 11:11:08 yeah, 16 EUR at (german) Amazon. Class 6. Jun 03 11:12:38 ah, micro sdhc btw. I got some micro->mini adapters on Ebay. Jun 03 11:13:34 I bought a micro sdhc 4Gb (Sandisk) and had to buy another micro 1Gb (Kingston) to get a decent micro->mini adaptor Jun 03 11:15:31 whats with the micro hoola, why not just get mini directly? Jun 03 11:15:36 more expensive? Jun 03 11:15:49 portability Jun 03 11:15:59 hm ok yeah, mini is quire rare Jun 03 11:16:03 you can put micro sds in devices that accept full sds, mini sds and micro sds Jun 03 11:22:33 lardman: i bought some micro-mini adapters at dealextreme Jun 03 11:22:36 really cheap Jun 03 11:22:45 and work fine with my 8GB microsd Jun 03 11:24:43 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 Jun 03 11:28:26 we need a list of which adaptors are know to work/or not Jun 03 11:31:04 are there any that don't work? Jun 03 11:31:20 the adapters are just plastic things with metal conductors, right? Jun 03 11:31:23 how can they not work? Jun 03 11:32:37 mgedmin: they might go on strike Jun 03 11:32:40 ;-) Jun 03 11:34:17 Ave: and miniSD are harder to get then microSD Jun 03 11:35:09 Is microSD the 'smaller than fingernail' sized cards? Jun 03 11:35:41 * shapr checks wikipedia Jun 03 11:35:43 yes Jun 03 11:36:02 aka transflash as earlier name before becoming sd standard or something like that.. Jun 03 11:36:04 depends on size of finger Jun 03 11:36:09 XD Jun 03 11:36:58 mgedmin: sandisk ones don't work Jun 03 11:37:36 mgedmin: I also questioned why/how some might not work; I've no idea, but might do an autopsy of my non-working sandisk one and see if there's anything else in there Jun 03 11:37:39 lardman: I have a sandisk. Works fine. Jun 03 11:37:59 X-Fade: hmm Jun 03 11:38:12 X-Fade: I was just going from the comments in the bugtracker Jun 03 11:38:23 I can't remember the bug # off the top of my head Jun 03 11:38:32 bbiam Jun 03 11:53:20 Europeans and other potential enemies of the US are to be forced to deposit their personal details on the Department of Homeland Securitys computer system 72 hours before they get anywhere near the place. Jun 03 11:53:42 And US Citizens get thrown out of Europe :-( Jun 03 11:53:56 Really? =) Jun 03 11:54:28 X-Fade: can you help me where can i get wvdial package for maemo... Jun 03 11:59:03 Wow, #303 has had an internal alias assigned to it. W00t! Jun 03 11:59:37 Heh, my hotel room for LinuxTag was #303 ;) Jun 03 12:00:06 what is bug #303? Jun 03 12:00:26 24 hour clock Jun 03 12:00:37 Yay! Jun 03 12:00:47 I need a ntp clock too Jun 03 12:00:53 yes pls Jun 03 12:00:56 or at least a gps clock Jun 03 12:00:57 or the clock should fscking pull from GPS Jun 03 12:01:00 ditto. Jun 03 12:01:01 yeah. Jun 03 12:01:14 AND DON'T KEEP THE TIME WHEN I SWITCH TIMEZONES Jun 03 12:01:16 grr! Jun 03 12:01:18 stupid Jun 03 12:01:40 if it's 3 pm, and I change the timezone, it means I traveled somewhere else where it is NOT 3 pm right now Jun 03 12:02:10 mgedmin: Gotta love the "UI spec" Jun 03 12:02:26 Given how screwed up GPS is, I would vote for NTP Jun 03 12:02:42 both Jun 03 12:03:06 BTW, changing GPS approximate location when changing time zone may be a good idea Jun 03 12:03:07 I don't think you need a fix to get GPS time. Jun 03 12:03:32 Why have a separate app when you can tie things to that clock map Jun 03 12:04:03 how about also changing the timezone when you get a GPS fix? Jun 03 12:04:13 the database could be tricky... Jun 03 12:05:17 mgedmin, they already have a db... Jun 03 12:05:30 oh, do they? Jun 03 12:05:59 Jaffa: the internal alias for #303 doesn't mean that much. in fact the internal bug is closed Jun 03 12:06:00 I don't think it's enough to find the closest city and take that timezone; you could be on the other side of a border Jun 03 12:06:14 Jaffa, but it seems there's some progress for fremantle to get #303 fixed. Jun 03 12:07:58 i'm just trying to clean up and add aliases wherever it makes sense to me to easier track things Jun 03 12:08:01 andre___: ok, thanks for the info. Any chance that kind of stuff could end up in Bugzilla? (Not that I don't appreciate being told it somehow ;-)) Jun 03 12:08:18 All part of the "working in the open" idea Jun 03 12:08:25 Jaffa, it's on my "nags to do" list Jun 03 12:08:56 Where can i find wvdial for maemo Jun 03 12:08:59 mgedmin: hear hear to the changing time zones one :) Jun 03 12:09:16 andre___: cool Jun 03 12:09:22 Jaffa: well, i of course also want openness whenever possible. if there's nothing secret with a bug it doesn't make sense to me at all to handle it in the internal bugtracker Jun 03 12:09:23 * mgedmin searches for a bug number Jun 03 12:09:41 Jaffa, but this also means that the workflows of some people will have to change, and that will be the interesting and tough task Jun 03 12:09:50 what, no bug? Jun 03 12:09:50 RST38h: lots of location things we could do once we see whether Diablo allows us to talk to the chipset Jun 03 12:09:53 nobody reported it? Jun 03 12:09:57 waah Jun 03 12:10:21 file me a bug :) Jun 03 12:12:35 * mgedmin takes the opportunity to comment that #1139 was fixed by the opera -> microb switch Jun 03 12:17:17 andre___: here you are: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3214 Jun 03 12:18:21 mgedmin, ah thanks! and feel free to close #1139 as wontfix or something like that :) Jun 03 12:18:48 I think I'll let timeless have the pleasure of doing that Jun 03 12:18:48 hi Jun 03 12:19:57 haha, or /me, ok :) Jun 03 12:20:01 lardman: it will not Jun 03 12:20:14 lardman: you don't need to wait for this information Jun 03 12:20:44 lardman: what you will see is an approximate user-selected location stored somewhere in the filesystem Jun 03 12:27:05 does anybody know where can I find osso-log.h -file? Jun 03 12:27:18 google? Jun 03 12:27:36 no Jun 03 12:27:43 yeah, I tried, but didn't find the header file Jun 03 12:28:02 which package is it possibly in? Jun 03 12:28:16 her: http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=osso-log.h&hl=en&btnG=Search+Code Jun 03 12:28:19 we need packages.maemo.org, just like packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.org Jun 03 12:28:29 anyone want to add that to the 100days wiki? Jun 03 12:28:42 noone needs ubuntu.packages Jun 03 12:28:48 ^^ Jun 03 12:28:49 RST38h: thanks Jun 03 12:29:20 mgedmin: have you tried going to packages.maemo.org in your browser? Jun 03 12:29:21 I suppose that I just can't use google.. :( Jun 03 12:29:36 heh, guess :-) Jun 03 12:29:45 herwood: try nightly human sacrifice Jun 03 12:29:47 it doesn't have a search by filename Jun 03 12:29:50 on the front page Jun 03 12:30:16 mgedmin: I have already proposed this at the 100Days page and was told by Quim Gil to go do it myself Jun 03 12:30:27 yay Jun 03 12:30:31 mgdemin: Nokia isn't very interested Jun 03 12:31:01 mgdemin: Anyway, I have got a UI mockup done and started writing PERL code that fetches package lists from repos Jun 03 12:31:06 the open-source mentality: "send us a patch" Jun 03 12:31:10 If you want to help, let me know Jun 03 12:31:21 * mgedmin shuffles his feet Jun 03 12:31:28 No, it is not the patch thing, they are just not interested in package aggregators Jun 03 12:31:31 * lcuk sends mgedmin a H.R.T patch Jun 03 12:32:05 this google's code search is pretty useful Jun 03 12:32:48 I haven't heard from it before now.. Jun 03 12:33:50 if you use normal google to search for code related things (identifiers, apis etc) then code search is normally included in the first page by default Jun 03 12:34:02 hmm Jun 03 12:35:51 where I should start if I want to write desktop plugins? are there python bindings for this purpose or is C the only way to do these? Jun 03 12:35:54 i come across it a lot of the time when i am searching - its not all the time and i cant think of a specific to doing it, but it annoys me because it gives .tar.gz file links instead of the single source file Jun 03 12:36:54 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SDL_WM_SetCaption&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 Jun 03 12:36:58 that gives it.. Jun 03 12:37:10 zappp: tutorial at maemo.orfg Jun 03 12:37:17 better not use python for them though =) Jun 03 12:37:33 oooh and they have fixed the file linkage thing as well Jun 03 12:38:01 RST38h ok, thanks Jun 03 12:38:31 where to get wvstreams library for scratchbox Jun 03 12:39:19 zapppp, there are python bindings, but I would say go for native C plugin anyway Jun 03 12:45:15 andre___: what would you say is the correct product & component for filing a bug about the sqlite3 source package in maemo? Jun 03 12:45:53 development platform/tools? Jun 03 12:47:23 hmm, i'd think so Jun 03 13:06:16 i am installing libqt4 package using apt-get install inside scratchbox it says broken package... Jun 03 13:06:35 how can install the same Jun 03 14:00:45 hi Jun 03 14:02:31 hi Jun 03 14:04:16 I'm ao tired of applications not doing what I tell them to. Jun 03 14:04:59 MicroB shouldn't pull focus from another application two or three times when it's in the background. Jun 03 14:05:30 I shouldn't have to press the fullscreen button two or three times to get it to stick. Jun 03 14:06:01 The Application Manu shouldn't become state-retarded when the RSS applet is on. Jun 03 14:06:14 s/Manu/Menu/ Jun 03 14:06:14 GAN800 meant: The Application Menu shouldn't become state-retarded when the RSS applet is on. Jun 03 14:06:51 the maemo should not suxx so much etc? Jun 03 14:08:33 dneary, how much closer are we to the wiki move? :p Jun 03 14:08:46 GAN800: agreed on all those points. Jun 03 14:08:58 JavaScript/refreshing web apps seem the worst for microb stealing focus Jun 03 14:09:17 * GAN800 should probably file a couple more bugs for MicroB, anyway. Jun 03 14:10:38 Applications stealing focus is spmething that pisses me off on most all platforms. If I want an application in front, I'll out it there, thanks. It's just worse with Matchbox Jun 03 14:14:16 #2797 has caused no end of grief. Nice to see there might be some progress at some point. Jun 03 14:16:42 Howdy, johnx Jun 03 14:16:45 hi Jun 03 14:17:36 Still no planet. . . . Jun 03 14:18:03 p.m.o? it's available from a subdir on m.o Jun 03 14:18:37 That's not my point. :P Jun 03 14:19:52 kinda figured :P Jun 03 14:21:06 lot of people have planet.maemo.org as their maemo.org bookmark and assume the whole site is down when that doesn't worl. Jun 03 14:21:30 yeah, I should actually just change my bookmark at this point Jun 03 14:21:51 I've been assuming it will be fixed "any day now" for the last week or so... Jun 03 14:22:20 There's a bug, it's being worked on. Jun 03 14:22:35 ISP IP stupidity or somesuch. Jun 03 14:23:03 Nokia needs to *shoot* whoever is the ISP for maemo.org and the firmware host... Jun 03 14:23:24 GAN800Let me get my breath back from last week :) We will be switching definitively before the end of the week Jun 03 14:23:38 I'm still snowed under with paperwork Jun 03 14:24:09 johnx, sipposedly improvements are coming. Jun 03 14:24:27 * GAN800 shovels recycled newspapers onto dneary. Jun 03 14:25:06 Hrm, 22-8 is out, where's my guinea pig? Jun 03 14:25:31 sure, I'll give it a shot Jun 03 14:25:32 dneary, GAN800: what do we do with installation instructions? I wrote ones when new wiki was started and now all I could find was that ugly one from old wiki Jun 03 14:26:46 installation instructions for what now? Jun 03 14:27:08 'how to flash nokia under linux/windows/osx' Jun 03 14:27:12 those ones Jun 03 14:27:14 hrw, check 'my contributions'. Personally, I'm waiting until after the move to really get to work. Jun 03 14:27:19 ok Jun 03 14:31:54 GAN800, installs, boots Jun 03 14:32:09 want me to test something? Jun 03 14:32:24 nah, just that. ;) Jun 03 14:32:34 ah, and e-mail works fine Jun 03 14:34:32 johnx, think I can rope you into updating the version number for Modest (22-1) on wikipedia while I'm going down for this thing? :p Jun 03 14:35:01 GREAT NEW ITALODANCE CDM : DJ_Torny_Feat_Marco-Now_Until_Forever-(ARC_055)-WEB-2008-eMF :D cheers! Jun 03 14:35:11 GAN800, sure Jun 03 14:36:52 Italodance: pcsx emulator runs but is unplayably slow. the picture is from 'Baldur's Gate II' Jun 03 14:38:09 hi pupnik how are ya? :ö Jun 03 14:38:18 :D Jun 03 14:38:32 * qwerty12 knew trying to use svn in windows would suck. off to reboot into linux. yes, i'm a troll that comes for one second and goes. and comes back. Jun 03 14:38:34 ok Jun 03 14:38:48 pupnik 'Baldur's Gate II'is really a good game any chance for run? Jun 03 14:40:00 the GemRB engine to play Bioware games is not finished. Leveling-Up is not yet implemented. Channel #gemrb to find out more. Jun 03 14:40:18 pupnik btw which version is for Jagged Alliance 2 ? Gold Edition? Jun 03 14:42:42 good article about one of the ways open source works: http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/node/52 Jun 03 14:42:53 I am checking Italodance Jun 03 14:43:03 psx baldurs gate is a hack'em'up action game, no? Jun 03 14:43:10 GAN800, someone already beat me to putting the new modest version in it appears. O_o Jun 03 14:43:20 cool Jun 03 14:43:44 well, also it wasn't updated I guess. still 22-1 Jun 03 14:44:14 All righty, I have made a script that takes a list of repositories and sucks all the package information from them Jun 03 14:44:30 Anybody has a machien with MySQL that I could use? =) Jun 03 14:44:44 pupnik tnx pupnik :D Jun 03 14:44:57 RST38h, machine with SQL? you've got a tablet, right? Jun 03 14:45:02 :P Jun 03 14:45:07 Ha, or just me making a typo on the lasy version, johnx. :D Jun 03 14:45:18 awesome Jun 03 14:45:33 GA wins while failing Jun 03 14:46:23 except for the date. :p Jun 03 14:47:09 WB qwerty12 ;) Jun 03 14:47:11 Italodance: apparently CyberCat on ITT forums is running the 'gold' version. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16138&page=5 Also see http://ja2.dragonriders.de/install.html Jun 03 14:47:22 Italodance, hello :) Jun 03 14:47:48 pupnik thank u again is it full screen and also with DEMOs ? Jun 03 14:48:28 yes there is a demo version. fullscreen works too Jun 03 14:48:34 http://pupnik.de/software.html Jun 03 14:48:35 :D Jun 03 14:48:36 Hehe, itTSS is getting as bad a reception on the 100 Days as anywhere else. Jun 03 14:50:36 johnx: this is not going to work on a tablet Jun 03 14:50:46 To those of you who didn't see my spam last night: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group Jun 03 14:51:23 RST38h, I was just kidding, actually :P Jun 03 14:52:13 lcuk: Where's your note taking app, I'm salivating at the thought of playing with it :) Jun 03 14:53:00 lardman: not only you Jun 03 14:53:01 Yeah, lcuk, release early, release often! Jun 03 14:53:10 release Jun 03 14:53:54 I can package it Jun 03 14:55:28 So, anybody willing to let me use a MySQL server? =) Jun 03 14:56:08 yes, for 5 EUR a day Jun 03 14:56:19 Oh well Jun 03 14:57:21 RST38h: I just saw your comment about the user defined location, good good Jun 03 14:57:25 RST38h, why not talk to gronmayer? Jun 03 14:57:36 lardman: which one? Jun 03 14:57:45 johnx: Well, I do not know Gronmayer personally Jun 03 14:58:01 And anyway, it only took 30 minutes to throw together a crawler in PERL Jun 03 14:58:30 just saying he might be interested... Jun 03 14:58:42 RST38h: about the AGPS Jun 03 14:59:10 RSS feed for recentchanges on maemowiki gives me 'Unable to add feed. Address invalid.' Jun 03 14:59:33 lardman: ah, that one... Jun 03 14:59:50 johnx: I am kind of pessimistic on collaboration of this kind Jun 03 15:00:09 johnx: Most people hgave their own agendas so they do not generally give a fuck Jun 03 15:00:11 RST38h: use sqlite? Jun 03 15:00:40 hrw: I have full blown mysql installed on Komkon, but am kind of afraid to enable it Jun 03 15:01:05 RST38h, anyways, what does your script do? generate a nice web page with package name and description? Jun 03 15:01:08 The machine serves a lot of people and mysql may make it unsafe and/or harm performance Jun 03 15:02:09 johnx: Ideally - keeps a list of repos in the database. Scans these repos regularly, downloads package lists and stores them in the database. Gives you a nice tablet-browsable interfaces that let you search download and install any package from any repository Jun 03 15:02:13 GAN800, file bugs (website component)! ;-) Jun 03 15:02:41 johnx: Kind of like an uber-AppManager (without keeping track of installed packages of course) Jun 03 15:03:05 does it generate a .install file too? Jun 03 15:03:10 It will Jun 03 15:03:47 Aw, andre___, but I wanted to poke X-Fade directly. :( :p Jun 03 15:04:03 GAN800, that's also a possibility of course :) Jun 03 15:04:41 i just want things to get handled. don't really care about the path taken to get it fixed actually :-P Jun 03 15:04:52 and I also wanted to get a more meaningful error message from a real computer, but will do. ;) Jun 03 15:05:23 Computer says no. Jun 03 15:05:53 RST38h, I'll think about it. I have a webhost with SQL, but I really don't have much space or bandwidth to play with Jun 03 15:07:07 pupnik are you still around? Jun 03 15:15:40 and to think that we had the opportunity to get lcuk drunk, steal his n810, and copy the source code for his magic program... Jun 03 15:15:40 and we didn't think of it in time Jun 03 15:15:48 heh Jun 03 15:17:34 RST38h: look at http://openzaurus.org/feed-browser/ Jun 03 15:17:56 RST38h: it is php based, can fetch remote repositories and extract data from it Jun 03 15:18:59 RST38h: source is in OpenEmbedded metadata Jun 03 15:31:07 hrw: yep Jun 03 15:31:53 hrw: has anyone tried using it on maemo so far? Jun 03 15:32:52 RST38h: no, but amount of changes would not be too big probably Jun 03 15:33:05 uber app manager that manage pesonal repotyroties for users? Jun 03 15:33:19 gwt based? Jun 03 15:33:28 what is gwt? Jun 03 15:33:29 hkjkdfas Jun 03 15:33:40 google widget toolkit Jun 03 15:33:44 keesj <-- obviously using n810 "keyboard" Jun 03 15:34:03 does anyone know much about the gps on the n810? is calling gps_open() enough to get thing started up? right not gps_open() against the localhost and default port is returning null. Jun 03 15:34:05 no, I am also just using PHP, same as openembedded thing Jun 03 15:43:42 to all those folks who want my program, please pay me gazillions of dollar/euro/pounds etc and i will sing the code at the next mic i see ;) Jun 03 15:44:04 lcuk: Will you use pulse modulation? Jun 03 15:44:08 nah, the Manchurian accent would put me off Jun 03 15:44:12 Bad open source citizen. :p Jun 03 15:44:47 citizen of WHAT? =) Jun 03 15:44:59 Maemoland maybe? Jun 03 15:45:04 Open source. ;) Jun 03 15:45:11 not at all gan, it costs a lot of money to have singing lessons and for all the beer i will need before doing public anything again Jun 03 15:45:28 Is that imaginary country Bruce Perens lives in? Jun 03 15:45:36 sing me the code lcuk Jun 03 15:46:36 [and Eric Raymond too] Jun 03 15:46:46 dneary: was it you or X-Fade who was asking me if I was going to blog about my presentation? Jun 03 15:46:57 either way, I've put some notes up: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/musings/blog_notes.txt Jun 03 15:47:22 * qwerty12 wishes ff 3 did word wrap Jun 03 15:47:38 qwerty12: I just noticed that, sorry Jun 03 15:47:53 :) Jun 03 15:48:07 "There is the obvious problem that someone will remove the legal warning, " - *cough* done *cough* Jun 03 15:48:17 For chinook and diablo versions :p Jun 03 15:48:21 this works with navicore btw http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/linux/fakeif/ great if you ever are lost in the woods ;) Jun 03 15:48:50 qwerty12: indeed, but it's not the sort of thing to make Nokia happy about it all Jun 03 15:48:51 emjayes has a script that spoofs the mac on each startup of the Map app Jun 03 15:49:27 macchanger yes, but i rather keep my mac address the same Jun 03 15:49:52 lol i remember flexlm on SGI worked similar Jun 03 15:50:20 lardman, I think it's incredibly stupid. My Pocket PC doesn't do it. Hell, even a Cybiko Extreme I had once didn't do it. I don't mind seeing the warning once but repeatedly just pisses me off. Jun 03 15:50:36 So if Nokia don't like it, not my problem ;) Jun 03 15:50:40 lardman, why does it say "open it up and let us play" about application manager? Jun 03 15:50:42 (I thank Nokia for providing source btw) Jun 03 15:50:56 qwerty12: yes, I understand, but I can also see if from Nokia's point of view - it's not our software, if it's rubbish don't blame us, etc. Jun 03 15:51:10 inz: true, we have that now don't we Jun 03 15:51:29 lardman, for quite a while Jun 03 15:51:32 an "I understand, now never show me this message again" checkbox would be nice... Jun 03 15:51:52 agreed Jun 03 15:52:01 repetition is good to convince someone about your argument Jun 03 15:52:02 repetition is good to convince someone about your argument Jun 03 15:52:09 really? Jun 03 15:52:10 really? Jun 03 15:52:15 or rule of 3 Jun 03 15:52:21 really, really, really? Jun 03 15:52:27 bye all Jun 03 15:52:29 bye Jun 03 15:52:38 inz: I lose track of what's been released and when Jun 03 15:52:46 hrw|gone: c u Jun 03 15:53:02 lardman: Me Jun 03 15:53:11 lardman: Thanks! Jun 03 15:53:14 Argumentum ad nauseam... but it works;) Jun 03 15:53:52 right, which is why the new Windows UAC is such a resounding success with security critics... Jun 03 15:54:00 or, some kind of mode where you're on your own (like the pill mode) Jun 03 15:54:12 well, UAC just shifts the blame to the user, as does sudo ;) Jun 03 15:54:32 UAC was inspired by sudo i'm pretty sure;) Jun 03 15:55:14 Yes, lardman, that was mine. ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 Jun 03 15:55:15 UAC was inspired by my naggy 10yo niece Jun 03 15:55:16 I'm still not sure what policykit does for me what I couldn't do myself by typing in root password. Jun 03 15:55:34 WorkingOnWise, nah, she'd get tired of asking eventually I bet Jun 03 15:56:12 oh god O wish it were true johnx! The kid makes the energizer bunny look like a dud! Jun 03 15:56:14 GAN800, Will vote. Those images look sexy. Jun 03 15:56:57 great imrpvoement Jun 03 15:57:07 qwerty12, there's a thread on the devel list that's rather optimistic to go with that bug. Jun 03 15:57:13 ++ to tree and column Jun 03 15:57:41 GAN800, Thanks, I'll check out the "archives" later :) Jun 03 15:57:52 GAN800: ok, changed, thanks Jun 03 15:58:35 GAN800 == GeneralAntilles. Jun 03 15:58:53 OMG Jun 03 15:58:58 and GAN8001 != GAN800 ? Jun 03 15:59:01 GAN8001 == Lucky Newton Owner :-P Jun 03 15:59:07 I thought you were Gangster Arnold Jun 03 15:59:18 ~lart irc nicks Jun 03 15:59:18 * infobot gives irc nicks an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending irc nicks to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple Jun 03 15:59:22 ;) Jun 03 15:59:27 GAN8001 == GeneralAntilles's G4 tower. ;) I've got the clones out in force this week. Jun 03 15:59:37 Would be using my proxy, but Comcast is being retarded. Jun 03 16:00:27 Meh, UK isps are retarded. Most of them throttle my torrents :(. Much faster using my RS premium :/ Jun 03 16:00:40 Ha Jun 03 16:00:46 Comcast is the worst for everything. Jun 03 16:01:14 they were actually decent to me a year ago...guess I fled at just the right time Jun 03 16:01:47 rent a server, torrent there, download from there, no need for upload;0 Jun 03 16:01:52 I'm sorry, but something here makes me laugh: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/zapys/ ... Jun 03 16:03:00 jeroin, yeah, if you've got the cash to throw around. ;) Jun 03 16:03:11 Which you don't if you use torrents :p Jun 03 16:03:52 goddam, cegcc = longest svn checkout ever. still counting... Jun 03 16:03:52 oh oh oh..where can I find jpilot ported to the Nxxx series? I checked the threads on ITT but after 298,098 posts, I think they are all about jpilot on the desktop.... Jun 03 16:05:15 well its not my problem anyway but if it were i'd def find a way around it hehe Jun 03 16:05:40 My friend gave me a way, a RS premium... :p Jun 03 16:05:47 here cable competes pretty well with dsl telcos, for the time being that is Jun 03 16:08:40 lardman: ping? Jun 03 16:09:40 dougt: pong Jun 03 16:10:12 hey lardman. been searching maemo irc log. you were doing some stuff with gps. got a sec? or can I send you an email? Jun 03 16:10:25 dougt: ask away Jun 03 16:11:44 on the n810, i would like to use the gps, but couldn't figure out how to enable the gps programmatically. I was looking for the mapping application, but it just seams to open /dev/pgps. Jun 03 16:12:21 how do you setup the internal gps on the n810, is probably the specific q. Jun 03 16:12:26 I think it's handled by libgpsmgr Jun 03 16:12:58 via dbus? Jun 03 16:13:22 I don't know the specifics of what libgpsmgr does after you call it, but it's open source iirc Jun 03 16:13:51 I think maemo-mapper uses this technique too, as to use the internal gps you select a BT connection but put no ID (name?) number in Jun 03 16:13:58 yeah, i am just not sure If your suppose to call it directly or use dbus. Jun 03 16:14:11 link to libgpsmgr Jun 03 16:14:20 call gpsmgr_start() or whatever. Jun 03 16:14:35 i will give that a shot. Jun 03 16:15:22 take a look at maemo mapper too, specifically what happens when you use BT but don't put a MAC/ID whatever number in Jun 03 16:16:34 There was also some gps-logger test code somewhere wasn't there? Anyone have a link to that? Jun 03 16:19:21 liblocation is the easiest API to use the GPS Jun 03 16:19:40 assuming one is using glib Jun 03 16:20:05 there are two libs: libgpsmgr and libgpsbt Jun 03 16:20:10 dougt: hilite ^ Jun 03 16:20:15 I think one of those wraps the other Jun 03 16:20:15 mgedmin: liblocation uses them Jun 03 16:20:38 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#Location Jun 03 16:21:05 kulve: that is great. Jun 03 16:21:11 i am going to give that a try. Jun 03 16:21:24 I've used it. It's very easy and quite convenient Jun 03 16:21:38 (and on a side note, does the acquisition time on this device just really suck?) Jun 03 16:21:39 not very detailed though but it's enough for most normal applications Jun 03 16:21:44 dougt: yes Jun 03 16:22:09 dougt: somebody claimed that the next sw version has AGPS so that might improve the situation a lot Jun 03 16:22:21 wifi->location would be tons faster. Jun 03 16:22:23 It does have agps Jun 03 16:22:32 I've posted a pic of the app in the diablo therad Jun 03 16:22:34 *thread Jun 03 16:22:47 qwerty111: yeah, I guess I was referring to you with my "somebody" ;) Jun 03 16:22:47 qwerty111: how do you give it a location? Jun 03 16:23:05 lardman, just tap a point on the map Jun 03 16:23:21 I guess to your nearest city Jun 03 16:23:32 the normal map app, or a larger scale one? Jun 03 16:23:36 * lardman looks for the thread Jun 03 16:24:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17727&highlight=diablo&page=65 Jun 03 16:24:48 kulve: what package is location in? Jun 03 16:25:56 liblocation-dev? Jun 03 16:26:26 yep, that and liblocation0 Jun 03 16:27:27 qwerty111: it would be interesting to see whether the conversation that app has with the (presumably) supl server is more than a send location, receive almanac+ephemeris job Jun 03 16:28:06 qwerty111: as I'm not sure how accurate one can be with tapping, and was wondering whether the supl server then uses any fragmentary data the chipset can send it to produce a quicker/more accurate fix Jun 03 16:28:15 lardman, I know nothing about the specifics :/. I removed it after taking that screenie, I only have N800 Jun 03 16:28:28 Svn sucks. Jun 03 16:28:36 qwerty111: ah, not to worry Jun 03 16:29:02 I might have to try un upgrade myself then Jun 03 16:29:10 s/un/an Jun 03 16:34:45 hello Jun 03 16:34:55 any recommendation for a good calendar for maemo? Jun 03 16:35:20 * mgedmin wants to know too Jun 03 16:35:31 I like dates, but it's pretty minimal Jun 03 16:35:33 the development of Dates seems to have stopped Jun 03 16:35:51 gpe-calendar seems pretty complete and usable Jun 03 16:35:55 sorry, finnish only: http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Nokialta+ensi+vuonna+Linux-älypuhelimia/1135236882376 Jun 03 16:35:55 in particular, I would like to synchronize with google calendar, and being able to consult my appointments offline Jun 03 16:36:05 I tried dates, and liked it too Jun 03 16:36:06 dates can do that, I think Jun 03 16:36:12 it allows to import ical format Jun 03 16:36:23 might want to look at mcalendar then for google calendar sync Jun 03 16:36:26 no recurring events, iirc Jun 03 16:36:28 but I would like to automate somewhat the process Jun 03 16:37:01 kind of "on wlan up, download my calendars from google and update the local calendar" Jun 03 16:37:27 dbus-scripts lets you run programs on connection Jun 03 16:37:52 I don't mind to write myself this synchronization tool, but I would require a calendar app which could be scriptable, Jun 03 16:37:54 is /etc/ifup.d/ used on maemo? Jun 03 16:38:00 err, /etc/networking/ifup.d/ Jun 03 16:38:04 yes, qwerty111, I was thinking of that Jun 03 16:38:31 I write a python script which registers itself for notification on wlan up Jun 03 16:38:35 mgedmin, don't think so. icd2 doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces at least. Jun 03 16:38:38 and downloads the calendars from google Jun 03 16:38:52 but I need a local calendar application which I can command from python Jun 03 16:39:13 so I can tell it: "take the calendar files at /home/user/blah, and import them" Jun 03 16:39:19 from a python script Jun 03 16:40:08 my first tough was to patch dates Jun 03 16:40:14 adding this functionality Jun 03 16:40:28 however, I'm unable to compile dates in the scratchbox Jun 03 16:40:45 it requires a "libecal" which i can't found Jun 03 16:41:34 so, I'm thinking now in gpe-calendar, but apt-get install gives a huge list of prerequisites, and scared me Jun 03 16:41:46 mmm... Jun 03 16:41:55 I'm ever considering to use remind, the command-line tool Jun 03 16:42:00 is it ported to maemo? Jun 03 16:42:36 On the note of the Application category view, if anybody wants more mockups, those were fun, so I'd be willing to do more (or take requests). Jun 03 16:54:30 search on bugs.maemo.org is slooooow :( Jun 03 16:56:11 sorry for vanishing - work got in the way - lardman, since you told me you were salivating xchat has been bobbing balloons up telling me, so if you salivate any more we will all flood Jun 03 16:56:51 I hated that libnotify stuff in xchat, turned it off >.< Jun 03 16:57:05 i keep missing hits from pms Jun 03 16:57:15 they turned red but nothing would be noticed for hours Jun 03 17:01:30 * qwerty111 plans on looking at this for the wired headset : http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=22 Jun 03 17:02:03 Or this http://www.bitsmithy.net/?p=18 even Jun 03 17:03:32 why do my parents never keep any food in the house? :-/ Jun 03 17:04:03 Because you'll eat it and finish it off and that = another trip to supermarket :P Jun 03 17:04:35 ^ Jun 03 17:04:39 My parents do the same thing. :P Jun 03 17:05:04 see, but the point of food is to eat it Jun 03 17:05:14 and when they don't have any, one can't eat it Jun 03 17:05:24 They don't care Jun 03 17:05:29 They survive on your suffering. :P Jun 03 17:05:35 they're my parents! they should care Jun 03 17:05:35 Heh Jun 03 17:05:48 *sigh* I guess it's miso&tofu ramen for lunch Jun 03 17:05:49 It holds them over just fine until you fold and go to the grocery store. Jun 03 17:05:55 Go down to the local takeaway :p Jun 03 17:06:04 qwerty111: I live in a town of 600 Jun 03 17:06:08 here, I know about at least 15 that are near me Jun 03 17:06:15 summatusmentis, unlucky Jun 03 17:06:29 we don't have any of those... there's a pizza place up there, but I don't really have any money, and I've had a lot of pizza Jun 03 17:06:35 Haha Jun 03 17:06:41 Go whore yourself for cash. Jun 03 17:07:04 ever been to rural maine? one, noone has cash, two, noone is attractive Jun 03 17:07:05 GAN8001, Is that what I saw you doing y/day night? Jun 03 17:07:14 Me, i'ma pimp :p Jun 03 17:07:20 What are you doing in the US, qwerty111? :P Jun 03 17:07:24 qwe you wish :) Jun 03 17:07:34 GAN8001, Looking out for people like you :p Jun 03 17:07:38 US = no1 Jun 03 17:08:07 summatusmentis, I got my girls to prove it :P Jun 03 17:08:11 lol Jun 03 17:08:18 What the hell am I looking for on the maemowiki? Jun 03 17:08:41 GAN8001, qwerty111's hoes? Jun 03 17:08:51 No, that's not it. Jun 03 17:09:09 I tried uploading the TONS of pics I have but the server nearly crashed out on me Jun 03 17:09:26 It saw how ugly they were and died. Jun 03 17:09:43 Ah, right, the broken RSS Jun 03 17:10:10 GAN8001, Dont be a h8er (or a h0e) :p. just because I can get some yeh :p Jun 03 17:10:18 qwerty111: your mom deosn't count as 'one of yourngirls' Jun 03 17:10:32 s/yourngirls/your girls/ Jun 03 17:10:32 summatus_n810 meant: qwerty111: your mom deosn't count as 'one of your girls' Jun 03 17:10:35 Burn! Jun 03 17:10:55 summatus_n810, Who said anything bout my mom? Ask your mom about those condoms you found :p Jun 03 17:11:33 oh snap Jun 03 17:12:06 who finds condoms? do you root through your moms stuff all the time? Jun 03 17:12:34 s/your/my Jun 03 17:12:48 yes in that case ^ Jun 03 17:13:01 hey can any ... give me a mac addr.... to download firmware for N800 ? Jun 03 17:13:05 lol! you're quick Jun 03 17:13:27 sudo find -name "condom" Jun 03 17:13:33 :o Jun 03 17:13:41 and not very satisfactory, from what I hear Jun 03 17:13:58 Anunakin, any particular reason you need the n800 stuff? Jun 03 17:14:35 I just wanna try N800 Emulator on my PC!!! Jun 03 17:14:47 mmm Jun 03 17:14:50 Anunakin, http://www.wikidesign.co.uk/Geekanoids/uploaded_images/N800-Memory-767672.jpg - How are your reading skills? Jun 03 17:14:55 I would assume the n810 firmware would work, though I could be wrong... Jun 03 17:15:16 Should do, N810 rootfs is same as N800 Jun 03 17:15:28 andre____, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 :P Jun 03 17:16:00 opps Jun 03 17:16:02 haha Jun 03 17:16:03 a crash... Jun 03 17:16:08 Anunakin, http://www.wikidesign.co.uk/Geekanoids/uploaded_images/N800-Memory-767672.jpg - How are your reading skills? Jun 03 17:16:08 ok ... Jun 03 17:16:11 Repeated :p Jun 03 17:16:26 I tried N810 FW... but not works Jun 03 17:16:47 Here's one better Jun 03 17:16:48 00194F9E Jun 03 17:17:05 Add 2 letters, 1 number and one letter Jun 03 17:17:09 Fail Jun 03 17:17:12 gtfo Jun 03 17:17:21 Navi, Ladies first ;) Jun 03 17:17:30 Gladly Jun 03 17:17:37 Here's one I just "made": 00194F9EDD2D Jun 03 17:17:48 qwerty111: only 2gb? bah ;) Jun 03 17:18:13 right now my n800 mac address is: 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee Jun 03 17:18:30 very hard to read on this img Jun 03 17:18:37 00194F9EDD2D Jun 03 17:18:45 00194F9EFF2D Jun 03 17:18:51 ugh!! we don't even have any milk in this house! Jun 03 17:19:04 summatus_n810, we have lots, you want me to email some? Jun 03 17:19:13 EWW! MILK :O Jun 03 17:19:27 would you please? my parents apparently hate me Jun 03 17:19:38 you wouldnt be the first Jun 03 17:19:40 thanks all! Jun 03 17:19:51 Aww, summatus_n810's parents hate him Jun 03 17:19:56 Lets all shed a tear Jun 03 17:20:01 qwerty111: i agree, generally. but we have chocolate milk mix :-) Jun 03 17:20:15 Aww, now I hate you :P Jun 03 17:20:19 lol Jun 03 17:20:24 Hardly get any chocolate milk :/ Jun 03 17:20:28 just eat it dry - put it on your tongue and try to work up some spittle to mix it with Jun 03 17:20:49 its fun when choc dust comes out of your nose when you try not to cough Jun 03 17:20:56 lcuk: then it's chocolate spit, not chocolate milk Jun 03 17:21:06 but its chocolate Jun 03 17:21:15 sort of Jun 03 17:21:24 ok, brown sugar Jun 03 17:21:29 Meh, the only thing I like coming out of my nose is shisha/hooka Jun 03 17:21:39 Gross Jun 03 17:22:07 better than milk :) Jun 03 17:22:37 I'm generally of the mind that things generally shouldn't come out of the nose Jun 03 17:22:59 i suppose if you were desperate enough you could try lactating yourself Jun 03 17:23:23 erm... Jun 03 17:23:31 I tried that with the nearest similar thing I had. It was white but it didn't taste like milk... Jun 03 17:23:59 over the line qwerty111 Jun 03 17:24:08 Thanks :) Jun 03 17:24:13 yes i know,what dulux emulsion DOES taste bad Jun 03 17:24:54 Nice.... downloading... N800 FW Jun 03 17:25:02 now I need another think... Jun 03 17:25:16 <_< Jun 03 17:25:26 lardman's just in time for the party Jun 03 17:25:46 qwerty111: I know you're in a different timezone, but how do you spend all day on irc? Jun 03 17:25:46 lcuk, Dunno about taste but this room was repainted recently and the dulux really does stink :/ Jun 03 17:25:55 Party? Party? Where? Jun 03 17:26:05 X-Fade, not here O_o Jun 03 17:26:05 :) Jun 03 17:26:17 summatus_n810, I've only been here a few hours :). School's started again :/ Jun 03 17:26:20 IN MY PANTS!! Jun 03 17:26:21 back in the art -otel after those nokians left ;) Jun 03 17:26:29 qwerty111: ah, ok Jun 03 17:27:00 ~lart svn Jun 03 17:27:01 * infobot blasts svn with a huge firehose then strangles svn with it Jun 03 17:27:01 * lcuk must find a delicate balance now between software releases and family life Jun 03 17:27:23 * GAN8001 pokes X-Fade. Jun 03 17:27:28 Fix it fix it fix it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 Jun 03 17:27:33 lcuk: what are you releasing? Jun 03 17:27:39 * X-Fade hits GA back with a stick. Jun 03 17:27:42 By the way, who cleaned up the mediawiki URLs? Jun 03 17:27:49 * GAN8001 runs in circles. Jun 03 17:27:50 A ninja Jun 03 17:27:56 durr Jun 03 17:28:00 A URL ninja? Jun 03 17:28:03 Yes Jun 03 17:28:03 I asked Ferenc to put a rewrite rule into place.. Jun 03 17:28:28 Now old style and new style urls work at the same time.. Jun 03 17:28:33 summatus_n810, if i say nothing i will be shot by people here, if i tell you it wont be right because its a WIP at the moment and needs lots of cleanup before i do release it Jun 03 17:28:54 * qwerty111 gets the glock ready Jun 03 17:29:19 GAN8001: I can't reproduce that bug? Works for me[tm]? Jun 03 17:29:38 I need this file: Jun 03 17:29:39 ssh root@nokia-n800-address cat /dev/mtd1ro > config.mtd Jun 03 17:29:47 No one will give that Jun 03 17:29:51 lcuk: can you give me a general idea? Jun 03 17:29:59 why? Jun 03 17:30:06 :( Jun 03 17:30:14 Because it contains MAC address and stuff for that tablet Jun 03 17:30:31 hum... Jun 03 17:31:33 ok Jun 03 17:31:33 summatus_n810, its a notetaking app which does fullscreen nice quick refreshes and works faster than paper (TM) ;) Jun 03 17:31:39 how long does it take to make the n800 full? Jun 03 17:31:43 Can I use mine from N810? Jun 03 17:31:50 plugged in with energy Jun 03 17:31:54 Anunakin, Yes, you should be able to Jun 03 17:32:06 because FW not works Jun 03 17:32:13 ok Jun 03 17:32:19 lcuk, zomg Jun 03 17:32:23 fastar than ppr? Jun 03 17:32:24 ive got about 40 notes with things which should work Jun 03 17:32:29 yer Jun 03 17:32:33 Impossible Jun 03 17:32:34 faster than light? Jun 03 17:32:35 and more findable Jun 03 17:32:37 I go try... with FW from N800 and mtd1ro from N810 Jun 03 17:32:46 how long tages it to charge the n800? Jun 03 17:32:55 Findable I'll swing with Jun 03 17:32:58 Anunakin, You know it's broken anyway even with N800 mtd1? Jun 03 17:33:02 My backpacks full of crap Jun 03 17:33:03 navi, with paper notes i lose them, with this i see them forever and kinetic scroll down them Jun 03 17:33:05 Anyway, bye. Jun 03 17:33:09 GAN8001: Poke, poke.. Jun 03 17:33:14 Ew Jun 03 17:33:15 poking Jun 03 17:33:24 sigh... that location api doesn't actually start up the gps. Jun 03 17:33:24 poke 16384,255 Jun 03 17:33:32 No lie, X-Fade? Jun 03 17:33:35 Weird. . . . Jun 03 17:33:37 (makes spectrum 48k do strange stuff) Jun 03 17:33:42 so, promising! yes, so not there. ;-) Jun 03 17:33:45 GAN8001: http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.maemo.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentchanges%26feed%3Drss Jun 03 17:33:52 eichi, 3 hours to full Jun 03 17:33:57 30 minutes to 80% Jun 03 17:34:11 Validator thinks the feed is OK too. Jun 03 17:34:38 kulve: have you tried using this location API? Jun 03 17:34:51 Then what the hell is going on here? O_o Jun 03 17:34:58 odd thing: leaving 810 on "Performance" all day does not apparantly effect battery life.. Jun 03 17:34:59 look here .... the guy put all info about your N800 http://thetabletblog.com/emulyator-internet-plansheta-nokia-n800.html Jun 03 17:35:51 lcuk: If there is no application using the cpu it will sleep anyway. Jun 03 17:35:57 ^ Jun 03 17:36:00 mmm, sleep Jun 03 17:36:02 * Navi drools Jun 03 17:36:23 Thanks guys... I need to go!!! Jun 03 17:36:28 Bye! Jun 03 17:36:43 X-Fade, the device is simply more snappy on performance, ive found out its deffo wifi thats my killer Jun 03 17:37:00 GAN8001: I won't close your bug as WORKSFORME, but do try to find out what is going on :) Jun 03 17:37:15 Trying on another device now. Jun 03 17:37:17 i can now take it to work or with me all day and not run down the battery Jun 03 17:37:27 lcuk: Yeah, just listen to a internet radio stream or use vagalume. Jun 03 17:37:42 yer i know Jun 03 17:37:43 lcuk: Will warm up your device nicely :) Jun 03 17:37:56 lcuk: if your tablet sleeps all day (dyntick) then perhaps that why? Jun 03 17:38:02 i keep device in a wooden crate anyway Jun 03 17:38:21 dougt: let me see if I can find that demo code Jun 03 17:38:23 But my N95 gets so hot with VOIP over wifi that after 40 minutes I can't hold it to my ear anymore ;) Jun 03 17:38:25 i thought the cpu only slept properly in ondemand Jun 03 17:38:32 lardman: thanks. Jun 03 17:38:32 if not, why not use performance all the time Jun 03 17:38:46 two different things, cpu speed and dyntick Jun 03 17:38:57 lcuk, we had sleeping fine in OS2007. Jun 03 17:38:59 X-Fade, :D melting earwax isnt because of device, its the radio waves cooking it Jun 03 17:39:02 lardman: i am basically trying a bunch of stuff including calling gpsmgr directly which feels wrong. Jun 03 17:39:10 if you have some task which needs to wake the processor up, you may as well run at less than full speed and save power? Jun 03 17:39:11 but maybe that is the right thing to do? Jun 03 17:39:17 this ramen is not that good... i may have put too much water in Jun 03 17:39:24 but if its asleep why does it matter Jun 03 17:39:24 dougt: no idea :) Jun 03 17:40:12 dougt: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToUseGPSFrameworkInOS2007/ Jun 03 17:40:39 Well, X-Fade, I can't add it to Safari, Chinook or Diablo. Jun 03 17:40:42 simon, when we went out on thursday it lasted me writing notes all day and then well into the night with numpty and beer in the garten Jun 03 17:41:06 Apple Discussions claim the Safari issue might be Leopard related, but I can't explain the N800s Jun 03 17:41:11 Will try some other stuff later. Jun 03 17:41:34 lcuk: Asleep is fine, but if you are doing something that doesn't need 100% speed (i.e. not watching movies in mplayer) then running the cpu slower at those times will save power Jun 03 17:41:45 lcuk: yeah, not a bad inningd Jun 03 17:41:50 innings Jun 03 17:41:53 * lardman can't type Jun 03 17:42:00 its ok, i cant either Jun 03 17:42:03 lardman: right: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/gps-saver/trunk/gps_saver.c Jun 03 17:42:08 not enough beer ;) Jun 03 17:42:17 dougt: sounds about right Jun 03 17:42:41 dougt: This for the N810 or N800? Jun 03 17:42:46 the n810 Jun 03 17:43:00 http://php.vrana.cz/data/ballmer1.jpg Jun 03 17:43:04 it looks like i just uses the gpsbt_start() Jun 03 17:43:23 i was using the gps_start function (figuring it would be the more general thing to use?) Jun 03 17:43:25 and don't pass it a BT address Jun 03 17:43:57 why is ballmer shaking harry potters hand? Jun 03 17:44:27 dougt: There's still heavy interdependence between the gps and bt libs so I read Jun 03 17:44:43 dougt: presumably they were written before a built-in GPS was decided upon Jun 03 17:44:44 the rezl question is why wasn't he before? Jun 03 17:44:51 yeah, should be fixed up and just make location do the right thing. Jun 03 17:45:20 meh... ramen sucks Jun 03 17:45:48 lcuk, well, it's not the person as much as how Balmer is staring right at Tux Jun 03 17:46:08 GAN8001: Can it be that the problem is the https? Jun 03 17:46:10 summatus_n810, your ramen sucks. ramen in general is awesome Jun 03 17:46:11 im well aware of that.. ;) Jun 03 17:46:47 ramen has the same nutritional value as the cardboard boxes I get them in Jun 03 17:46:47 johnx: meh... it's possible Jun 03 17:47:02 Instant ramen sucks. Jun 03 17:47:04 summatus_n810, I'd even allow that all instant ramen sucks. Jun 03 17:47:20 Real ramen is awesome. Jun 03 17:47:24 Real ramen is okay Jun 03 17:47:31 Navi, where did you have it? Jun 03 17:47:31 fsm? Jun 03 17:47:43 and derf, agreed. :D Jun 03 17:47:46 oh... yeah, i probably had instant ramen. what is real ramen? Jun 03 17:47:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramen Jun 03 17:48:04 scroll down to gallery Jun 03 17:48:09 pork, chives, corn Jun 03 17:48:13 GAN8001: I can't add any feed that has https in it's url? Jun 03 17:48:22 Navi, O_o Jun 03 17:48:25 o_O Jun 03 17:48:28 You all need to watch Tampopo. Jun 03 17:48:50 But make sure you know where a good ramen shop is first, because you will want some afterwards. Jun 03 17:48:53 wtf? ubuntu doesn't recognize me wireless card? Jun 03 17:49:00 Do something about it Jun 03 17:49:03 set it up yourself Jun 03 17:49:22 I will, butg I expected it to recognize it Jun 03 17:49:29 it depends on the card Jun 03 17:49:33 s/butg/but/ Jun 03 17:49:33 summatus_n810 meant: I will, but I expected it to recognize it Jun 03 17:49:34 some cards don't have linux drivers Jun 03 17:49:35 I don't expect anything to be recognized Jun 03 17:49:54 working out of the box is a luxury, not a necessity :P Jun 03 17:49:58 lardman: using the BT interface seems to work. Jun 03 17:50:08 dougt: cool Jun 03 17:50:10 X-Fade, could be it. Jun 03 17:50:10 johnx: I suppose, it's a macbook Jun 03 17:50:17 Dunno how to test, though. Jun 03 17:50:36 summatus_n810, should work then Jun 03 17:50:45 GAN8001: Try to add a maemo news feed on https. Jun 03 17:50:52 theoretically Jun 03 17:52:34 how much free space do you think one might theoretically need to upgrade to Diablo? Jun 03 17:53:04 good question Jun 03 17:53:33 symlink /var/cache/apt/archives somewhere else and you should be fine. someplace with a couple hundred megs Jun 03 17:53:37 i thought diablo first initial release was a normal flash? Jun 03 17:53:59 lcuk, it will be. Jun 03 17:54:36 for now there is an apt repository that seems to work pretty well as long as you upgrade from a fresh chinook flash Jun 03 17:55:21 ahh Jun 03 17:55:37 in r&d mode, I assume? Jun 03 17:55:58 I've heard that disabling lifeguard reset is important Jun 03 17:56:10 that's probably what I meant Jun 03 17:56:50 dougt: yup Jun 03 17:57:27 Sorry, X-Fade, gotta bug out. Will test tonight. Jun 03 17:57:58 lardman, at least 80MB Jun 03 17:58:02 GAN8001: Yeah, I'm out too. Let's see if we can find the cause later :) Jun 03 17:58:03 maybe more. Jun 03 18:01:46 johnx: what happens if you try to upgrade from a not so clean Chinook? Jun 03 18:01:51 GAN800: thanks Jun 03 18:02:08 lardman, your system may end up in an undefined state :) Jun 03 18:02:11 My install broke when IU tried Jun 03 18:02:22 use your imagination :) Jun 03 18:02:23 backup first :) Jun 03 18:02:27 man, just had a complete weirdo IM me Jun 03 18:02:39 yeah, I realised that, I was just wondering what the actual error was Jun 03 18:02:59 ah well, I can always reflash I guess Jun 03 18:03:19 no single error per se, but you might run into interesting problems Jun 03 18:04:11 ah well, I'll give it a go then :) Jun 03 18:04:14 chinablo :) Jun 03 18:04:31 :) Jun 03 18:06:53 back Jun 03 18:06:58 arghhhh @ clock skew. how do i make my 810 get its time from my big pc? Jun 03 18:07:16 lcuk, ntpdate and an ntp server for your computer Jun 03 18:07:30 lardman, the other thing is if you run into a weird problem with some app later on it might make it more difficult to tell whether it's a legit bug that needs to be fixed or an artifact of the way you upgraded Jun 03 18:07:46 thanks john Jun 03 18:07:54 rdate might work too Jun 03 18:08:26 having both sync to the same time server somewhere else might be easier/better though Jun 03 18:08:45 pool.ntp.org is my personal choice :) Jun 03 18:08:53 yer, ill try.. Jun 03 18:09:28 johnx: hmm, good point Jun 03 18:19:46 huh http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 03 18:23:59 hello? Jun 03 18:24:15 hello. Jun 03 18:24:17 umm Jun 03 18:24:21 anyone here know if there is a build of that Einstein newton emulator for OS2008? Jun 03 18:24:31 how can i get this theme for my mplayer http://www.n800blog.com/blog.aspx?id=144&story=SMplayer_Mplayer_front_end ? Jun 03 18:25:16 Italodance, it's a whole frontend called smplayer Jun 03 18:25:23 I'm attempting to setup a dev env on ubuntu/hardy, following instructions on http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html, and sb2 is complaining about my target being invalid. Jun 03 18:26:26 and sb2-config -l returns nothing. Jun 03 18:26:52 johnx where is the deb install file? Jun 03 18:27:10 Maximander: did you run the target installer? Jun 03 18:27:11 there is a link on the page you linked... Jun 03 18:27:40 maemo-rootstrap install all Jun 03 18:28:25 $ maemo-rootstrap list Jun 03 18:28:25 chinook40_armel Jun 03 18:29:00 hmm Jun 03 18:29:13 sb2-config -l shows me all targets, plus some nonsense Jun 03 18:29:17 like mistral20_armel.tmp-pkg-db.maemo Jun 03 18:29:50 this is a clean install, following the guide and using etch tools rather than --host-tools Jun 03 18:29:51 johnx did u installed it? Jun 03 18:29:58 no Jun 03 18:31:09 interesting Jun 03 18:31:11 hey guys, i would like to ask a question: if i had a dayjob which was not maemo related but wanted to spend more time developing for it without taking up his nights, where would i look Jun 03 18:31:30 the jobs section on maemo.org? Jun 03 18:32:08 i was under the impression those all needed relocation to finland Jun 03 18:32:17 johnx can it hurts my IT? and mplayer? Jun 03 18:32:27 Italodance, probably not...but I have no idea Jun 03 18:32:48 johnx smplayer will put on mplayer? Jun 03 18:33:03 it's an application that launches mplayer Jun 03 18:33:25 smplayer is an mplayer frontend Jun 03 18:33:46 kinda ugly on the tablets though Jun 03 18:34:43 hmmm Ideally, you are familiar with OpenGL, Open VG or some other accelerated graphics standard and experience in Widget development will also count in your favor. Jun 03 18:36:09 anyone know how to get scratchbox working? Jun 03 18:36:23 easiest is to use the vmware image Jun 03 18:36:51 uck, I'm running ubuntu already. Jun 03 18:37:03 Just follow the guide Jun 03 18:37:59 does anyone know of any none nokia teams working on projects for maemo? Jun 03 18:38:21 anon, commercial projects? Jun 03 18:38:34 well we have to get our bread from somewhere Jun 03 18:38:39 maybe you could ask indt? Jun 03 18:39:05 http://www.indt.org.br/contact/ Jun 03 18:39:22 indt is a nokia thing iirc Jun 03 18:39:40 Navi: I did follow the guide, up through step 5, and it doesn't seem to work Jun 03 18:39:45 woo Jun 03 18:40:24 qwerty is right, indt is somewhat related to nokia Jun 03 18:41:04 ubuntu on your nokia? Jun 03 18:41:05 I'm guessing I need to do an sb2-init or somehow add the rootstrap I downloaded to sb2's targets, but I'm not sure how to do that Jun 03 18:41:17 but not necessarily locaked in finland Jun 03 18:41:30 Maximander: what worked for me was Jun 03 18:41:36 yes, but finland is just across the water, indt are on the other side of the world Jun 03 18:41:38 anon: maybe openhand, who do some work for nokia Jun 03 18:41:41 they are uk based Jun 03 18:41:45 how about closer to home: england Jun 03 18:41:52 and do other non-maemo embedded work Jun 03 18:41:57 ahhh trickie :) excellent Jun 03 18:42:06 * mgedmin reads .bash_history Jun 03 18:42:09 anon: http://o-hand.com/jobs/ Jun 03 18:42:12 they looking right now Jun 03 18:42:17 what kind of hardware will the new NIT have? OMAP3? Jun 03 18:42:19 hrw works for them Jun 03 18:42:35 anon: http://o-hand.com/jobs/ Jun 03 18:42:42 they are looking right now for people Jun 03 18:42:44 gahhh, mental note: dont click links in browser irc ;) Jun 03 18:42:48 i saw thanks Jun 03 18:42:52 he he Jun 03 18:43:01 *g* Jun 03 18:43:07 open link in new window;p Jun 03 18:43:33 is itt down? Jun 03 18:44:46 Maximander: this worked for me on hardy: http://maemo.pastey.net/88878 Jun 03 18:44:49 were openhand at linuxtag recently? Jun 03 18:46:46 anon: i didn't see an offical presense, but maybe, some of their guys were for surer Jun 03 18:48:14 ain't hrw related? Jun 03 18:48:21 hmmm, it would have been nice to meet some of them. wish i had thought of this sooner Jun 03 18:48:35 lardman, yeh, not loading here Jun 03 18:49:00 keesj :) interesting Jun 03 18:50:13 anon: what? Jun 03 18:50:14 qwerty12_N800: np, was just trying to sort out my apt lists, will have to do it after supper though now Jun 03 18:50:44 that hrw is involved Jun 03 18:51:25 I am just guessing here. but He does poky I think Jun 03 18:52:12 yer i heard when we were there Jun 03 18:52:52 keesj: yeah, hrw works for openedhand Jun 03 18:54:32 our meeting at linuxtag was very motivational Jun 03 18:55:01 oh yes Jun 03 18:55:07 * anon agrees Jun 03 18:55:33 is there an app that gets you the power menu without having to press the hw button? Jun 03 18:55:35 anon: are you the famous Anonymous? Jun 03 18:56:15 im not going to play the guessing game here and now, but would really like to speak to some people about having a dayjob doing what i am very passionate about Jun 03 18:56:53 i just dont know where to start Jun 03 18:57:15 maybe write a cool app like konttori Jun 03 18:57:53 anon: a lot of places that are working w/ maemo are likely looking for OSS experience Jun 03 18:58:55 OSS experience is a company policy and if i am paid to release my code then i dont care :) Jun 03 18:59:34 oh, fair enough, who do you work for? Jun 03 18:59:47 if you don't mind my asking Jun 03 19:00:31 my maemo work is all nighttime coding. enough people have seen it to know something productive can come out of it though Jun 03 19:01:12 i am not a manager though, i have different priorities at night to what i want to code than what i have in the daytime Jun 03 19:02:12 right, that makes sense Jun 03 19:02:46 so things like releases and packages and stuff is low down because i am growing and adding features and using the code myself Jun 03 19:04:14 how do you say bollocks nicely? Jun 03 19:04:28 anon: 'crap'? =op Jun 03 19:04:30 balls Jun 03 19:04:42 your hostmask was the same anyways... Jun 03 19:05:04 so is there no way to access the power menu say from an icon in the statusbar ? Jun 03 19:05:43 setanta: ping... Jun 03 19:06:23 pixies_, pong Jun 03 19:07:34 bollocks is considered rude? Jun 03 19:08:26 anon: you say "testicles" Jun 03 19:09:28 anon: as in "Your point of view is akin to moose testicles: as hairy and shapeless." Jun 03 19:10:47 arent testes round? Jun 03 19:14:05 anyway, thanks guys. bye Jun 03 19:16:18 and he just left Jun 03 19:16:29 <{abo}> The problem with booting of the removable SD is that it makes every app say "Memory card not present" when you tell them to store something on the removable card. Jun 03 19:16:46 <{abo}> I just want everything neatly in /home/user, darn it. Jun 03 19:17:11 <{abo}> Maybe if I add a vfat partition on the SD card... Jun 03 19:17:26 I have a fat as first parition indeed Jun 03 19:17:35 re lardman Jun 03 19:17:39 hey hrw Jun 03 19:18:08 <{abo}> keesj: It has to be the first? Jun 03 19:19:28 first is a hard term in partition table world. but I guess so the famoush init scripts also work better when you do that :p Jun 03 19:19:43 Nokia N800 Canola2 Now Playing: Brother Firetribe - Lover Tonite Jun 03 19:21:54 <{abo}> I'm not actually using famoush's stuff, just using the Nokia tools to set it to boot from mmc Jun 03 19:22:13 <{abo}> I guess Nokia's init script will only boot from the first partition. Jun 03 19:22:51 hrw: just out of curiousity, how did you manage to get the ohand job? Jun 03 19:23:24 all the OE stuff? Jun 03 19:23:25 summatusmentis: years of experience in OpenEmbedded Jun 03 19:23:51 summatusmentis: I am one of core devs in OE Jun 03 19:24:07 yeah, ok. Experience == being one of the devs, actually doing stuff, instead of just being a relatively casual user like myself :) Jun 03 19:24:10 hrw: I know Jun 03 19:25:49 so, maemo-rootstrap install all appears to run sb2-init after each one is installed. it did not run sb2-init when invoked just as maemo-rootstrap install chinook40_armel Jun 03 19:26:30 not sure why, but it explains why sb2-config was unhappy even though I followed the guide Jun 03 19:27:02 guess it doesn't hurt to have a bunch of rootstraps I'll never use... Jun 03 19:33:14 75.3MB to be exact Jun 03 19:37:23 hello there, is there any known issue with the on-screen keyboard sometimes not showing up? Jun 03 19:38:10 sidnei, I've run into this sometimes in the browser. Do you mean the smaller stylus keyboard or the fullscreen thumb keyboard? Jun 03 19:38:11 http://leo.urbanacademy.org/ Jun 03 19:38:37 johnx: both actually Jun 03 19:38:52 in the browser or another app? Jun 03 19:43:47 johnx: any app Jun 03 19:44:02 johnx: as in, it works once and then disappears to never show up again Jun 03 19:44:15 ah, ok, never ran into that Jun 03 19:44:15 johnx: if i restart it comes back but for works for very short Jun 03 19:44:35 are you using an external keyboard? Jun 03 19:44:43 hrw: that was interesting Jun 03 19:44:52 hrw: very cool, almost beat it :) Jun 03 19:45:08 johnx: yes, i am forced to, unfortunately :( Jun 03 19:45:32 I did not get in time for mirror one - 2-3 lines of text left Jun 03 19:45:40 sidnei, I mean, were you using it before you had this problem? Jun 03 19:45:44 how does it tell you how well you did? Jun 03 19:45:59 summatusmentis: no idea - just got link Jun 03 19:46:30 oh... it told you you were too slow? Jun 03 19:47:07 johnx: as in, i boot up, they on-screen keyb works, so im not using teh external one, then it disappears and im forced to use the external one because the on-screen one never comes back Jun 03 19:47:37 have a nice evening guys Jun 03 19:47:47 'night hrw Jun 03 19:48:34 *sigh* I need to do work :-/ Jun 03 19:48:45 sidnei, did you always have this problem? did you install anything right before the problem started? is this an n800 or n810? Jun 03 19:48:54 n800 I assume... Jun 03 19:49:22 johnx: n810 Jun 03 19:49:37 aaah Jun 03 19:50:01 johnx: i might have installed stuff yeah Jun 03 19:50:41 any app that would mess with the onscreen keyboard or that relies on the hardware keyboard sliding switch? Jun 03 19:52:46 johnx: could be yeah, i would have no idea actually Jun 03 19:53:32 well did you install an app that is triggered by that switch? ie that runs when you slide the keyboard in Jun 03 19:54:06 i'm mostly sure i didn't. yeah Jun 03 19:54:58 fair enough. I have an N800, but maybe someone with an N810 has run into a similar problem Jun 03 20:03:30 Heh, Google has started installing services and background processes to user machines Jun 03 20:03:41 Cute. Jun 03 20:03:45 RST38h, hmm? Jun 03 20:04:27 johnx: well, they did stuff like that as part of Google Desktop for a while now Jun 03 20:04:50 right...it's hard to do a desktop "quick search" type app without background indexing Jun 03 20:04:50 johnx: But since week or two ago, they also do it inadvertedly when you install Google Earth plugin for example Jun 03 20:05:06 google earth plugin? Jun 03 20:05:13 Looks like you are getting that background process every time you use anything related to Google Gears Jun 03 20:05:26 ah, I see Jun 03 20:05:32 Sneaky bastards Jun 03 20:05:59 * RST38h kind of expected this to happen sooner or later though... Jun 03 20:06:10 <||cw> gears would require that Jun 03 20:07:05 RST38h, is this code collecting private info or something? Jun 03 20:07:37 johnx: no idea. and don't wanna find out Jun 03 20:07:49 just deleted the whole thing a few minutes ago Jun 03 20:07:53 heh...fair enough Jun 03 20:08:49 it's a big googlistic conspiracy Jun 03 20:08:51 this might be a faq, but, anyone knows when diablo is coming out? Jun 03 20:09:08 ~diablo Jun 03 20:09:09 Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo Jun 03 20:09:18 hmm...not what I wanted infobot Jun 03 20:09:38 sidnei_, theoretically before the end of the month Jun 03 20:09:38 sergey brin and larry page are going to win the US elections Jun 03 20:09:49 (mysteriously) Jun 03 20:09:51 ;) Jun 03 20:09:53 johnx: that would be june right? Jun 03 20:09:56 they'd be better than mccain Jun 03 20:10:11 sidnei_, yes Jun 03 20:10:39 otherwise it will be late...and as well all know software is never released later than expected :D Jun 03 20:14:38 know if there are any big changes in browser land or anything? that would be my biggest complaint Jun 03 20:15:51 no big changes Jun 03 20:16:05 a couple small fixes having to do with onscreen keyboard stuff Jun 03 20:16:36 so i just tested now, i booted up, tried the on-screen keyboard on the browser, it opened up Jun 03 20:16:45 phew, back to just the one desktop Jun 03 20:17:05 then i opened up the chat application, the big on-screen keyboard doesn't show up Jun 03 20:17:15 enable 'stylus input', the small keyboard shows up Jun 03 20:17:25 and that's it Jun 03 20:17:35 bit on-screen keyboard never comes back Jun 03 20:19:18 Where's qwert gone? Jun 03 20:19:24 qwerty even Jun 03 20:20:08 hmm, kernel appears to be too big Jun 03 20:23:10 lardman: I think he said he had school Jun 03 20:23:16 or something Jun 03 20:24:57 summatusmentis: thanks Jun 03 20:25:42 lardman: sure. It might be that he has to be in bed, for school... he mentioned school starting again, that's about all I know Jun 03 20:36:07 Sanity check: Could I use my N800, connected via bluetooth to a HSDPA phone, as a 'wireless router' to allow other machines access to my HSDPA connection? ie. can N800 be setup to do Ad Hoc or whatever you call it? Jun 03 20:36:29 ad-hoc yes Jun 03 20:36:36 ap/master mode: no Jun 03 20:36:41 crap Jun 03 20:36:49 it depends on the phone Jun 03 20:36:59 hardware or software malfunction ? Jun 03 20:37:06 you'll need some modules (possibly a custom kernel) to get iptables/masq-nat support Jun 03 20:37:11 Phone is Nokia E51 - which also has WiFi onboard Jun 03 20:37:45 In theory the E51 could act as a wireless router all by itself - but that is asking too much of it i suspect Jun 03 20:38:06 gpd, I don't know if the lack of ap/master mode support is at a hardware or driver level, but it doesn't really matter Jun 03 20:38:29 the phone can probably do ad-hoc Jun 03 20:38:53 "Currently Symbian OS used in Nokia phones does not support WLAN infrastructure mode." Jun 03 20:39:09 What? Jun 03 20:39:13 though the phone's wifi won't come into play at all... Jun 03 20:39:20 there is software Jun 03 20:39:23 for 3rd ed Jun 03 20:39:40 s60, to act as wlan adhoc(i think adhoc) router.. Jun 03 20:39:41 How come my ancient Symbian-based E70 works with an AP in infrastructure mode? Jun 03 20:39:44 it only supported http though Jun 03 20:40:15 http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=about&mode=joikuspotFAQ Jun 03 20:40:18 might support more now, havent checked in a while Jun 03 20:40:18 joiku yes Jun 03 20:40:20 yeah that Jun 03 20:40:30 RST38h, it's in Managed mode Jun 03 20:40:31 the pro/paid version supports more than http Jun 03 20:40:57 well i dont know what kind of BT version is in your phone either.. 2.1? Jun 03 20:41:05 johnx: ? Jun 03 20:41:21 it is either infrastructure or adhoc, afaik Jun 03 20:41:30 RST38h, infrastructure mode is what your AP is in. Managed is what a client of an AP is in Jun 03 20:42:01 just do this: vpn with https proxy at server, ssl over http all over hsdpa/joiku or hsdpa/bt Jun 03 20:42:07 there are 3 modes: master/ap/infrastructure. client/managed and ad-hoc Jun 03 20:42:19 E51 has Bluetooth 2.0 +EDR according to forum.nokia Jun 03 20:42:30 johnx: oh, you mean Symbian can't act as an AP Jun 03 20:42:37 well, that is fair enough Jun 03 20:42:51 I'm not even the one that said that :P Jun 03 20:43:53 gpd: that approx saturates HSDPA Jun 03 20:45:46 gpd: go try with BT over HSDPA and see how you like it if you don't like it try WiFi + JoikuSpot and if you want more than merely HTTP hack around that or buy the thingy Jun 03 20:46:09 ok -i am confused. My naive idea was to plug N800 into E51 using USB cable (female to female magic) then add some extra magic and presto - wireless lan in the park... clearly these things are never going to be that easy Jun 03 20:46:33 lesbian cables? Jun 03 20:46:34 jeroin_: will look at Joiku - thanks Jun 03 20:46:47 gpd, can your phone act as a modem like that to a notebook/desktop? Jun 03 20:46:56 if so, it should be just about that easy Jun 03 20:46:57 yes - i am on it as that now Jun 03 20:47:20 usb to phone on XP laptop with 3.5 G connection to O2 in UK Jun 03 20:47:26 shouldn't worry about bt saturation with nits.. Jun 03 20:48:08 gpd, should be doable on a tablet then, as long as your phone doesn't have high usb power requirements Jun 03 20:48:13 I guess the alternative is to just bring the laptop to the park and use that in master/ap/infrastructure mode to broadcast the wifi lan to others in the area Jun 03 20:48:35 anyway - all fun and games to bad had at a later date - thanks for the help Jun 03 20:48:46 it really should be doable... Jun 03 20:49:13 and especially easy over bt Jun 03 20:49:23 gpd: hmm i don't think the n8x0 can work in ad-hoc either Jun 03 20:49:35 jeroin_, yes it can... Jun 03 20:49:41 if it doesn't thats a bug Jun 03 20:49:50 ah ok great Jun 03 20:50:05 so the N8x0 can act as a router? Jun 03 20:50:27 if you want to do NAT, you need to add a couple kernel mods Jun 03 20:50:33 s/mods/modules/ Jun 03 20:50:33 johnx meant: if you want to do NAT, you need to add a couple kernel modules Jun 03 20:51:23 and USB networking works too, but i wonder if his phone would do this w/o ath additional Jun 03 20:51:53 if you need Joiku for WiFi then it might be necc. for USB networking too... Jun 03 20:52:15 he's using his phone over usb *right now* :P Jun 03 20:53:17 nice then USB and BT are his options Jun 03 20:53:31 and, Joiku for WiFi Jun 03 20:53:39 right, or tablet for wifi Jun 03 20:54:14 need to think about other factors like what uses least power, or what is the most flexible Jun 03 20:54:52 i dont know about you but i dont want to have devices wired to each other while sitting in the park they might think i'm pretending to be a terrorist Jun 03 20:55:35 is there a powertop port avail? Jun 03 20:55:37 right, which is why he asked about bt first Jun 03 20:55:49 the kernel is missing some features needed for it Jun 03 20:56:02 the "port" should be trivial: just a recompile Jun 03 20:56:34 WiFi has a longer reach, but it also uses far more W Jun 03 20:56:47 yes Jun 03 20:56:48 ahh i see Jun 03 20:57:09 bah i hear that more often about recompiles sigh Jun 03 20:59:15 * Navi yawns Jun 03 21:02:06 re Jun 03 21:06:05 ok, so I've done everything on the maemo install instructions... now I want to try to build my application. Jun 03 21:06:46 where do I start? Jun 03 21:07:31 you're coding an app from scratch? Jun 03 21:08:13 if so, the maemo hildon tutorial would be a good place to start Jun 03 21:08:43 I have an app, currently running on x86, and I want to cross compile it for my n800 Jun 03 21:09:06 set target to ARM and compile like the same way as on x86 Jun 03 21:09:23 errr, inside sb2? Jun 03 21:09:28 yes Jun 03 21:09:43 so just sb2, ./configure && make ? Jun 03 21:10:05 sb2 ./configure && sb2 make Jun 03 21:10:20 should do it Jun 03 21:10:26 most of my experience is with sb1 Jun 03 21:13:21 huh, that was simple. thanks! Jun 03 21:13:40 worked nicely? Jun 03 21:14:42 still compiling... Jun 03 21:18:45 sb2 is different then OE, right? Jun 03 21:19:05 it's an emulator for maemo? Jun 03 21:20:27 sigh, what now.. Jun 03 21:20:46 tablet won't boot Jun 03 21:23:14 taking out the extra flash card made it boot up Jun 03 21:31:38 * Jaffa yawns. Jun 03 21:31:47 does anyone know where I can get libxml2juuiiii ? Jun 03 21:31:59 <||cw> that's a lot of i's Jun 03 21:32:27 yes, it is, which makes me wonder if that's not actually what it's called Jun 03 21:32:46 Gah. Jun 03 21:32:54 * texel stabs the modest deb Jun 03 21:33:09 It shouldn't install the menu item with the caption "E-mail" Jun 03 21:33:12 That's horrible. Jun 03 21:33:16 is modest the email client built into chinook? Jun 03 21:33:27 No. Jun 03 21:33:47 does it work better? Jun 03 21:33:47 summatusmentis: it is the one in diablo, though Jun 03 21:33:49 Chinook uses osso-email Jun 03 21:33:57 Ahh. Well, that explains it, then. Jun 03 21:34:29 Still. You'd think they'd have a different branch for the Diablo version. Jun 03 21:35:13 Jaffa: ah, ok Jun 03 21:35:49 there's no way to change what a package depends on is there? I'm worried there's a typo in the list dependencies, hence throwing a dependency that doesn't exist Jun 03 21:36:33 texel: out of all the things "I think they'd have", proper branch/merge policies and/or conditional defines aren't top of the list. :( Jun 03 21:37:11 summatusmentis: sure, it's possible - what's the package? Jun 03 21:38:15 python-pygtksourceview depends on libmxl2juuiiii, which I can't find anywhere Jun 03 21:38:38 and pygtkeditor depends on python-pygtksourceview Jun 03 21:39:24 * texel shrugs Jun 03 21:40:16 On one hand, I can understand the want to write software for fun and happiness, and why they'd not have said things. But on the other, it makes me a little concerned about the future maintenance of the code. Jun 03 21:40:21 * texel shrugs again Jun 03 21:40:32 Jaffa: http://www.google.com/search?q=libxml2juuiiii&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a for instance Jun 03 21:41:21 summatusmentis: checked gronmayer? email the author? fixing it yourself would involve extracted the deb, changing debian/control then re-bundling it. Jun 03 21:42:08 I'm not sure who the author is, I wasn't sure if there was an easier way to do it Jun 03 21:44:24 Should say the maintainer in the package Jun 03 21:45:29 does tcpdump exist/work? Jun 03 21:51:52 Jaffa: emailed the maintainer, we'll see what he says Jun 03 21:59:23 night chaps Jun 03 22:36:43 * Jaffa beds after some wiki-tweakery Jun 03 23:27:51 Jaffa, hopeful ping. Jun 03 23:40:48 I have no tablet :( Jun 03 23:41:30 Nokia doesn't have an advanced RMA type set up Jun 03 23:45:04 What'd you do to it? Jun 03 23:46:02 Anybody else having any success with softpoweroff in Diablo? Jun 03 23:48:11 the touchscreen was going flakey Jun 03 23:48:41 1 week or so w/o my only mobile computer Jun 03 23:51:08 Ouch Jun 03 23:51:19 Touchscreens are the achilles heel of the N8x0s Jun 03 23:51:59 really is...the capacitive touchscreen used on the ipod touch appears more reliable Jun 03 23:53:52 Anyone have a SIP account, or Google Talk with a microphone? Jun 03 23:54:56 Gizmo with rtcomm. Jun 03 23:55:05 I usually just use the speakerphone, though. Jun 03 23:55:21 dick-richardson, meh, can't use a stylus Jun 03 23:55:24 I want to test out the camera, but GTalk doesn't support it Jun 03 23:55:39 It's not really an issue of the touchscreen technology, but an issue of Nokia not shipping shitty touchscreens. Jun 03 23:55:45 GTalk supports it fine. Jun 03 23:55:49 Tablet-to-tablet Jun 03 23:55:56 Use Gizmo for Tablet-to-PC Jun 04 00:00:16 Ahh Jun 04 00:00:21 She has an iBook Jun 04 00:00:28 Adium or something Jun 04 00:00:54 Yeah, not gonna happen. Jun 04 00:01:03 Gizmo 4 beta isn't out for OS X yet. Jun 04 00:01:46 The voice chat works decently, though Jun 04 00:02:01 Yeah, that's fine Jun 04 00:02:06 Video is way behind though. Jun 04 00:12:01 I need a good case Jun 04 00:12:59 I have a Brando leather case for my Zodiac. Need something similar for my N800. Jun 04 00:13:00 http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/brando_workshop_tapwave_zodiac_case_review Jun 04 02:03:05 Haha, fantastic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=187925&postcount=7 Jun 04 02:23:57 hmm... Jun 04 02:24:06 watching the 3d UI interface demo Jun 04 02:24:30 With a device that size, and the impressive 3D rendering... Jun 04 02:25:00 Why do graphics cards need a cooler, fan, and extra power? Jun 04 02:27:32 necause they are powerhungry bastards Jun 04 02:27:48 right... Jun 04 02:28:02 I was wondering about the off-topic-ish tegra demos... Jun 04 02:28:08 The latest nVidia boards have as many as 128 processors on them. Jun 04 02:28:27 Which obviously is as good as my laptop. Jun 04 02:28:40 with better graphics... Jun 04 02:28:48 * guenther scrathes his head Jun 04 02:46:43 oh, well, time to call it a night... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 02:59:57 2008