**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 06 02:59:56 2008
Jun 06 03:03:03 <Tu13es> anyone tried grumby?
Jun 06 03:23:27 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 03:23:40 <rm_you> so if i have this little custom gtkmenu.c
Jun 06 03:23:53 <rm_you> and i include that directly... will it use that?
Jun 06 03:24:01 <rm_you> and then will that work on the tablet?
Jun 06 03:24:41 <GAN800> No, because it's covered in your fail.
Jun 06 03:24:47 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 03:25:45 <rm_you> diving into these huge libraries when you know nothing about how they work is... very hard
Jun 06 03:25:46 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 03:26:26 <GAN800> There must be somebody around why knows how to make it work.
Jun 06 03:28:37 <rm_you> been asking in the GTK channel
Jun 06 03:28:49 <rm_you> like 4 days ago i explained what i wanted to do and asked if that was feasible
Jun 06 03:28:54 <rm_you> and i got flat out "no"
Jun 06 03:32:18 <GAN800> well, _somebody_ haas obviously done it. . . .
Jun 06 03:33:18 <rm_you> ...
Jun 06 03:33:21 <rm_you> Nokia >_>
Jun 06 03:33:29 <rm_you> we *think*
Jun 06 03:33:40 <rm_you> they may have done something ridiculously stupid and entirely different
Jun 06 03:33:56 <GAN800> Ha
Jun 06 03:34:03 <rm_you> i bet they just have more libraries that they didn't document or include the source for
Jun 06 03:34:04 <rm_you> like...
Jun 06 03:34:09 <GAN800> Could be why they're closed. :P
Jun 06 03:34:11 <rm_you> HildonSuperAwesomeMenu.h
Jun 06 03:34:21 <beford> hah
Jun 06 03:34:41 <rm_you> timeless: yo
Jun 06 03:34:45 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 03:34:46 <johnx> so what are you onto this time rm_you?
Jun 06 03:34:48 <GAN800> HildonLaughAtAllTheStupidMoronsTryingToDuplicateThisShit.h
Jun 06 03:35:00 <rm_you> johnx: still working on putting my applet in a real GtkMenu
Jun 06 03:35:00 <johnx> which widget are you trying to embed?
Jun 06 03:35:04 <rm_you> so it will behave properly
Jun 06 03:35:12 <johnx> hmmm
Jun 06 03:35:30 <johnx> there's a nice slider in for brightness control in gnome
Jun 06 03:36:15 <rm_you> HildonControlbar
Jun 06 03:36:25 <rm_you> which is essentially a GtkHScale
Jun 06 03:36:32 <rm_you> http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonControlbar.html
Jun 06 03:36:42 <rm_you> can't get either that or GtkHScale to embed correctly in a menu
Jun 06 03:36:44 <johnx> fine, let me dig up the source and see if it helps...
Jun 06 03:36:54 <rm_you> i've been working on that for... ... ... 6 monthds
Jun 06 03:37:08 <GAN800> haha
Jun 06 03:37:09 <johnx> but have you actually seen code for how someone else did it?
Jun 06 03:37:09 <rm_you> so frustrating
Jun 06 03:37:13 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 03:37:17 <rm_you> it's all closed source
Jun 06 03:37:26 <johnx> in maemo yes
Jun 06 03:37:28 <rm_you> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199
Jun 06 03:37:38 <rm_you> someone did it in something besides maemo?
Jun 06 03:37:41 <johnx> but have you even looked at a similar gtk thing?
Jun 06 03:37:42 <GAN800> rm_you, document this issue in the bug.
Jun 06 03:37:54 <rm_you> i've found posts of people asking about HOW to do this in gtk
Jun 06 03:38:06 <rm_you> and they all either have no response, or "can't be done"
Jun 06 03:38:09 <johnx> is this close enough to help: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-power-manager/stable/applets-general.html.en#applets-brightness
Jun 06 03:38:43 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 03:38:46 <rm_you> that i can do
Jun 06 03:38:53 <rm_you> it doesnt involve a menu at all
Jun 06 03:38:56 <johnx> aaah
Jun 06 03:38:58 <johnx> right
Jun 06 03:39:08 <johnx> you want to mix it in with menu items
Jun 06 03:39:14 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 03:39:23 <rm_you> LIKE NOKIA DOES BUT REFUSES TO LET ME DO
Jun 06 03:39:24 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 03:40:47 <GAN800> Set it to send a complaint email to Ari everytime somebody opens the applet.  :P
Jun 06 03:40:55 <rm_you> OMG
Jun 06 03:40:59 <rm_you> that's an awesome idea :P
Jun 06 03:41:11 <johnx> nah
Jun 06 03:41:18 <johnx> just have it vote for the bug :D
Jun 06 03:41:21 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 03:41:30 <GAN800> dbus, baby!
Jun 06 03:41:37 <johnx> every download is an implicit vote to have the bug fixed :D
Jun 06 03:41:41 <rm_you> but... possibly several hundred emails a day from various n8x0 users :P
Jun 06 03:42:08 <GAN800> Not spam blockable, either. :P
Jun 06 03:42:58 <rm_you> now most of the results that come up in my google searches are... myself
Jun 06 03:43:09 <GAN800> I love that.
Jun 06 03:43:20 <rm_you> my irc bitching...
Jun 06 03:43:24 <rm_you> my emails to mailing lings...
Jun 06 03:43:27 <GAN800> lol
Jun 06 03:43:29 <rm_you> s/lings/lists/
Jun 06 03:43:30 <infobot> rm_you meant: my emails to mailing lists...
Jun 06 03:43:31 <johnx> hmm...could they be using a popup window instead of a menu?
Jun 06 03:43:35 <rm_you> my posts on forums
Jun 06 03:43:44 <GAN800> That's whaat it is now.
Jun 06 03:43:44 <rm_you> johnx: thats what i'm using now
Jun 06 03:43:51 <rm_you> johnx: it is very different :(
Jun 06 03:44:07 <rm_you> only the menu has the behavior their applets exhibits, and the theming
Jun 06 03:44:10 <johnx> well yours is...but maybe they just spent the time to tweak it by hand?
Jun 06 03:44:26 <rm_you> timeless sent me the code they use to make it look like it looks
Jun 06 03:44:30 <rm_you> and that's gtk_menu code
Jun 06 03:44:30 <GAN800> rm_you, just make a list of numbers to choose from. ;P
Jun 06 03:44:53 <johnx> GAN800, a genetic algorithm?
Jun 06 03:46:03 <GAN800> probably be easier at this point to make a voice-activated level selector.
Jun 06 03:46:12 <rm_you> ooo
Jun 06 03:46:19 <GAN800> 'Computer, set brightness full'
Jun 06 03:46:31 * rm_you starts on that
Jun 06 03:46:54 <rm_you> is there already voice recognition libraries bundled with either python or something else for the tablet?
Jun 06 03:47:02 <Navi> I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.
Jun 06 03:47:10 <GAN800> Then make Marvin say 'Yes, master'
Jun 06 03:48:08 <johnx> I think it's important to use flite to issue instructions to voice recognition system
Jun 06 03:48:16 <johnx> feedback loop FTW!
Jun 06 03:48:35 <GAN800> Marvin telling Marvin what to do? I love it!
Jun 06 03:49:07 <summatusmentis> well... there goes my plan for cheap data :-/
Jun 06 03:49:51 <GAN800> Cellular exec, 'Muhahahaha!'
Jun 06 03:50:12 <summatusmentis> I didn't realize most of sprint's good data coverage was because of alltel
Jun 06 03:54:52 <summatusmentis> oh crap... bed
Jun 06 03:54:55 <summatusmentis> 'night
Jun 06 03:54:59 <johnx> g'night
Jun 06 03:55:14 <Navi> Mmm
Jun 06 04:02:09 * GeneralAntilles needs to get the templates together for the open/closed stuff on the wiki. . . .
Jun 06 04:02:18 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 04:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, you're a good candidate for the first petition. :P
Jun 06 04:04:38 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 04:04:51 <GeneralAntilles> Add your tale of woe to the bug.
Jun 06 04:05:21 <johnx> be sure to be properly dramatic
Jun 06 04:05:34 <GeneralAntilles> No, don't do that. :P
Jun 06 04:05:55 <johnx> :D
Jun 06 04:06:15 <GeneralAntilles> Don't need to drive Nokia away from the cause.
Jun 06 04:06:40 <johnx> I was using dramatic in the theatre sense, not the "forum drama" sense
Jun 06 04:07:06 <johnx> as in "Woe is me! Surely my GTKmenu doth not requite my love. Aid me in my hour of need Nokia!"
Jun 06 04:07:12 <lopz> night
Jun 06 04:07:20 <rm_you> night
Jun 06 04:07:23 <johnx> g'night
Jun 06 04:07:23 <rm_you> and lol
Jun 06 04:08:33 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jun 06 04:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> Write an opera
Jun 06 04:09:01 <johnx> then withhold the ending 'til they answer one way or the other
Jun 06 04:09:35 <Dekaritae> Does Maemo have drivers for USB->VGA?
Jun 06 04:09:56 <johnx> included? I somewhat doubt it
Jun 06 04:10:25 <GeneralAntilles> the sisusb driver is bundled.
Jun 06 04:10:26 <zerosum> anyone here write python ?
Jun 06 04:10:29 <GeneralAntilles> At least in Diablo.
Jun 06 04:10:37 <shapr> I've written some Python...
Jun 06 04:10:48 * shapr has flashbacks
Jun 06 04:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> Dekaritae, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175561
Jun 06 04:10:55 <Dekaritae> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230259216203
Jun 06 04:11:00 <zerosum> have you tried in on n800?
Jun 06 04:11:00 <Dekaritae> Wishing to purchase for purposes
Jun 06 04:11:04 <zerosum> it on*
Jun 06 04:11:10 <Dekaritae> Oh yay
Jun 06 04:11:28 <GeneralAntilles> That's v.1 of that adaptor.
Jun 06 04:11:30 <GeneralAntilles> Should work.
Jun 06 04:11:40 <shapr> zerosum: Oh, on maemo? Haven't done that.
Jun 06 04:12:03 <n800n> was opera smoother than microB?
Jun 06 04:12:11 <johnx> for some sites
Jun 06 04:12:24 <johnx> it was lots worse for other stuff though
Jun 06 04:12:48 <shapr> I liked opera for reading html books.
Jun 06 04:13:11 <GeneralAntilles> n800n, despite whatever a lot of people want you to believe, Opera wasn't particularly fun.
Jun 06 04:13:16 <n800n> i wish scrolling weren't this choppy
Jun 06 04:13:22 <GeneralAntilles> It was lighter, but it hardly worked with anything.
Jun 06 04:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> n800n, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677
Jun 06 04:13:55 <johnx> ah, scrolling wasn't much different
Jun 06 04:14:00 <n800n> i'm sure microb is better at most things, but i never had the old os, so i'm just curious
Jun 06 04:14:06 <Navi> oh yeah
Jun 06 04:14:11 <johnx> unless you mean that weird "stutter"
Jun 06 04:14:12 <Navi> I need to install that
Jun 06 04:14:47 <rm_you> i miss opera :/
Jun 06 04:14:48 <rm_you> i want it back
Jun 06 04:14:52 <Navi> :P
Jun 06 04:15:17 <n800n> that stutter
Jun 06 04:15:32 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh
Jun 06 04:15:32 <n800n> makes me feel i'm in windows 95
Jun 06 04:15:36 <Navi> generate an opera package off of OS2007 and use it on OS2008
Jun 06 04:15:42 <GeneralAntilles> Opera couldn't even render /.
Jun 06 04:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> n800n, install the svn
Jun 06 04:15:53 <johnx> n800n, that seems to be better for me in diablo
Jun 06 04:15:54 <GeneralAntilles> Scrolling is smooth as silk.
Jun 06 04:16:07 <Navi> Silk is pretty damned smooth
Jun 06 04:16:08 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, different people visit different sites...
Jun 06 04:16:14 <n800n> knoing them they prolly did it on purpose, /.
Jun 06 04:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> and Opera couldn't render most of them, johnx. ;)
Jun 06 04:16:42 <Navi> johnx, the diablo build isn't as new as the one that GA linked to
Jun 06 04:16:52 <Navi> the one there is smoother :D
Jun 06 04:17:00 <n800n> you guys are from the future for me , with your diablos
Jun 06 04:17:03 <johnx> Navi, fair enough. just noting.
Jun 06 04:17:08 <Navi> I'm not running diablo
Jun 06 04:17:15 <GeneralAntilles> n800n, don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to an old, non-standards compliant proprietary browser engine. ;)
Jun 06 04:17:15 <n800n> and superhacks
Jun 06 04:17:19 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it worked fine for everything I cared about...
Jun 06 04:17:35 <rm_you> Opera always treated me well
Jun 06 04:17:40 <rm_you> firefox is... bleh
Jun 06 04:17:55 <n800n> you have to admit general, /. is snobcentral
Jun 06 04:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> That doesn't have anything to do with Opera not rendering it correctly.
Jun 06 04:18:37 <Navi> Well, the mobile opera engine used to be pretty outdated
Jun 06 04:18:52 <GeneralAntilles> Opera from OS2007 was OLD
Jun 06 04:18:58 <rm_you> opera is like... the most standards compliant browser i've seen
Jun 06 04:19:01 <n800n> it's a kind of humor i was going for, guess it didn't work
Jun 06 04:19:10 <rm_you> as far as i could tell during the last year of heavy web development i did
Jun 06 04:19:21 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe new Opera, rm_you.
Jun 06 04:19:25 <Navi> rm_you, it wasn't that way in the Opera 7 line, which is where the engine came from
Jun 06 04:19:32 <rm_you> :(
Jun 06 04:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> But not the Opera from 5 years ago we had in OS2007
Jun 06 04:20:01 * n800n sorry for the can of worms
Jun 06 04:20:03 <Navi> it wasn't until 8.5 where presto was nice and standardsy
Jun 06 04:20:34 <rm_you> they should make a new build of the micro opera
Jun 06 04:20:34 <Navi> I think the mobile opera's on 8.5 now
Jun 06 04:20:53 <GeneralAntilles> They've got a version 9 of mobile Opera
Jun 06 04:20:56 <GeneralAntilles> Which looks pretty nice.
Jun 06 04:21:01 <Navi> cool
Jun 06 04:21:02 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 04:21:09 * rm_you wonders what it is built on
Jun 06 04:21:23 <rm_you> they usually build with static libs, right? :P
Jun 06 04:21:24 <GeneralAntilles> I'd like to see somebody put together a non-shitty front-end for the WebKit engine in Extras.
Jun 06 04:21:40 <Navi> the webkit in Extras is old
Jun 06 04:21:51 <johnx> midori continues to improve
Jun 06 04:21:55 <GeneralAntilles> Not as old as Opera.
Jun 06 04:22:04 <rm_you> mmmm midori
Jun 06 04:22:10 <johnx> that's my pick for lightweight browsing going forward...
Jun 06 04:22:27 * rm_you looks up at his big bottle of midori
Jun 06 04:22:31 <GeneralAntilles> I want a non-gross feature-complete alternative to Nokia's crappy tablet-browser-ui.
Jun 06 04:22:33 <Navi> midori only moves at the pace that webkitgtk moves, sadly
Jun 06 04:22:57 <Navi> Still no file handling, cookies, etc etc
Jun 06 04:23:02 <johnx> webkitgtk will start moving quicker with more focus from the gnome devs
Jun 06 04:24:08 <Navi> It looks like they tried to attract some attention when they did plugin support
Jun 06 04:24:22 <GeneralAntilles> I want it all and I want it now. . . . http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKNmqS4nSYY
Jun 06 04:27:10 <Navi> johnx, well, the gnome devs started giving it more attention a while ago
Jun 06 04:27:21 <johnx> yeah, I know :/
Jun 06 04:27:23 <johnx> but I can hope
Jun 06 04:29:55 <Navi> Hmm
Jun 06 04:30:02 <Navi> alp doesn't idle in here any more
Jun 06 04:30:12 <Navi> :(
Jun 06 04:30:36 <johnx> he's probably not impressed with how quick gtkwebkit is moving either :/
Jun 06 04:31:00 <Navi> Well, he's totally a dev :P
Jun 06 04:31:52 <johnx> some people set a limit on the size of project they're willing to take on (like me :P)
Jun 06 04:32:18 <Navi> cool, new javascript interpreter
Jun 06 04:33:01 <johnx> after I get sapwood figured out I might try and get the latest midori compiled against webkit with that new js interpreter
Jun 06 04:33:42 <Navi> on the tablets?
Jun 06 04:34:03 <johnx> the hildonization of midori should be pretty straightforward
Jun 06 04:34:12 <johnx> there's a patch up on itt
Jun 06 04:34:18 <Navi> Yeah
Jun 06 04:34:39 <Navi> though, the patch didn't use screen space effectively
Jun 06 04:35:18 <johnx> you mean, it doesn't push out to all the borders? or something else?
Jun 06 04:35:37 <Navi> something else
Jun 06 04:35:44 <Navi> it had the URL bar and the search bar
Jun 06 04:35:51 <Navi> making the url bar tiny
Jun 06 04:36:21 <johnx> what would you do? drop the search bar?
Jun 06 04:36:23 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ok, loading and saving settings works
Jun 06 04:36:29 <rm_you> time to make the GUI for it
Jun 06 04:36:32 <Navi> Drop the search bar as well as a few buttons
Jun 06 04:36:41 <Navi> thin the tab bar
Jun 06 04:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> Make the hardkeys work right.
Jun 06 04:37:01 <Navi> clean up the menu
Jun 06 04:37:19 <rm_you> anyone know what type of Gtk window they use for settings boxes?
Jun 06 04:37:44 <rm_you> ah i can look
Jun 06 04:37:50 <rm_you> osso-statusbar-cpu has one :P
Jun 06 04:41:31 <Dekaritae> nahuy
Jun 06 04:41:31 <Dekaritae> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?s=677226526b02cd029faa4d51451ecedd&p=137249&postcount=16
Jun 06 05:11:27 <Dekaritae> So, is a source known for USB mini B male to mini B male cables?
Jun 06 05:13:09 <johnx> maile mini b to male mini b?
Jun 06 05:13:15 <Dekaritae> Yes
Jun 06 05:13:35 <Dekaritae> I have a USB mini hub with mini B female that I wish to connect to my N800
Jun 06 05:13:36 <johnx> ah, for a phone to n800 connection?
Jun 06 05:13:47 <johnx> ok
Jun 06 05:13:58 <Dekaritae> The hub is unpowered, but it works fine with at least two USB drives connected
Jun 06 05:14:26 <johnx> I get a couple answers from google, not sure if you already saw them
Jun 06 05:14:59 <Dekaritae> I found many male-to-female
Jun 06 05:15:10 <johnx> this is the first result: http://www.datapro.net/products/usb-2-0-mini-b-5-pin-m-m-cable.html
Jun 06 05:15:28 <Dekaritae> Way
Jun 06 05:15:36 <Dekaritae> Let us see if they ship to Canada
Jun 06 05:16:02 <johnx> googled mini b to mini b
Jun 06 05:16:17 <Dekaritae> I purchased two "mini B male to A female" adaptors from eBay seller via a friend
Jun 06 05:16:19 <GAN800> Dekaritae, you could always pick une of joloius's OTG adaptors.
Jun 06 05:16:20 <johnx> but you're right, I didn't get many helpful results besides that one
Jun 06 05:17:11 <Dekaritae> I also purchase 500 mA 2.5" drive enclosure
Jun 06 05:17:55 <Dekaritae> Ah, how picky is OS2008 regarding the keyboards peripheral?
Jun 06 05:18:15 <johnx> it depends on power draw really
Jun 06 05:18:50 <Dekaritae> I like the dimensions of these
Jun 06 05:18:50 <Dekaritae> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290234783790
Jun 06 05:19:22 <johnx> someone might have posted about that on itt
Jun 06 05:19:30 <Dekaritae> Shall peruse
Jun 06 05:19:34 <johnx> I think I remember seeing that picture
Jun 06 05:19:43 <GAN800> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg
Jun 06 05:19:46 <Dekaritae> I have a semi-chording keyboard that I will try also, Nostromo N52
Jun 06 05:19:58 <GAN800> That's the best keyboard to get. ;)
Jun 06 05:20:04 <Dekaritae> IBM metal plate full travel
Jun 06 05:20:06 <Dekaritae> Yes.
Jun 06 05:20:16 <Dekaritae> I hs one :)
Jun 06 05:22:00 <Dekaritae> A roll-up keyboard may also be an option
Jun 06 05:22:57 <Dekaritae> Typically consume 250 mA but a kludge with a AA cell and an LM7805 may be an option
Jun 06 05:31:16 <rm_you> GAN800: ready for a beta?
Jun 06 05:31:39 <rm_you> i will be done with this UI very soon
Jun 06 05:31:39 <GAN800> Yeah, sure.
Jun 06 05:31:44 <rm_you> well, with the first bit of it
Jun 06 05:31:49 <timelyx> hello cruel world
Jun 06 05:32:02 * timelyx intends to say goodbye to maemo-developers today
Jun 06 05:32:03 <GAN800> Hello, timelyx
Jun 06 05:32:32 <GAN800> The Diablo/Bugzilla thread?
Jun 06 05:32:40 <timelyx> yep
Jun 06 05:32:43 <timelyx> i've had enough
Jun 06 05:32:49 <GAN800> I loled
Jun 06 05:32:50 <timelyx> the stress just isn't worth it
Jun 06 05:33:08 <timelyx> it just isn't fun[ny] anymore
Jun 06 05:33:21 <GAN800> It's a good thing you stay clear of itT. ;)
Jun 06 05:33:29 <timelyx> no kidding
Jun 06 05:33:44 <timelyx> i hope you can see why :/
Jun 06 05:34:18 <GAN800> Damn G5 should be sleeping. . . .
Jun 06 05:34:38 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 05:34:46 <rm_you> is there mailing list drama?
Jun 06 05:34:57 <GAN800> Nah, not drama
Jun 06 05:35:04 <GAN800> just retardation.
Jun 06 05:35:25 <GAN800> People don't want bugs fixed in Diablo to be closed yet. :P
Jun 06 05:35:27 <Dekaritae> Yay
Jun 06 05:35:37 <GAN800> Die G5
Jun 06 05:35:38 <Dekaritae> I get Bluetooth DUN to work with my Treo 650
Jun 06 05:35:52 <timelyx> my view is simple: if you're going to be a user, you're expected to use user channels
Jun 06 05:36:02 <timelyx> including following a certain user protocol
Jun 06 05:36:15 <timelyx> if you claim to be a developer, you're expected to know certain things, allowed to use
Jun 06 05:36:29 <timelyx> certain other channels, and obligated to behave in a certain manner
Jun 06 05:36:54 <timelyx> the expected to know bit is really of the form "yes, you do have to read some documentation"
Jun 06 05:37:45 <johnx> heh..."with some power, comes slight responsibility"
Jun 06 05:37:48 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 05:37:57 <timelyx> johnx: hrm, may i steal that?
Jun 06 05:38:04 <timelyx> i intend to blog about this at some point
Jun 06 05:38:09 <rm_you> the problem with maemo / hildon is that a lot of the documentation is either sparse or just MISSING
Jun 06 05:38:27 <timelyx> rm_you: that's true, but i'm not asking people to read it all
Jun 06 05:38:32 <timelyx> 5 pages should be enough
Jun 06 05:38:37 <rm_you> heh, yeah
Jun 06 05:38:44 <rm_you> just in my case, half the docs I need just don't exist
Jun 06 05:38:47 <rm_you> or else are outdated
Jun 06 05:39:05 <timelyx> sure, and you've been a good boy and filed bugs about them, right? :)
Jun 06 05:39:09 <johnx> timelyx, sure :D
Jun 06 05:39:13 <rm_you> heh... heh... ....
Jun 06 05:39:16 * rm_you runs
Jun 06 05:39:35 <timelyx> s/s$/s off to file .../
Jun 06 05:39:39 <timelyx> good boy
Jun 06 05:39:40 <rm_you> I actually just signed up for a bugzilla account this week....
Jun 06 05:39:53 <rm_you> so in the future when docs are missing, I will file a bug :P
Jun 06 05:40:01 <timelyx> but yeah, before you file your first bug, you should probably read some example bugs
Jun 06 05:40:10 <rm_you> before I just came in here and bitched... which is probably much less effective
Jun 06 05:40:19 <timelyx> the other important slogan: read first, ask questions later
Jun 06 05:40:23 <GAN800> Yeah, to bitch about sources. . . . :P
Jun 06 05:40:29 <rm_you> and docs :P
Jun 06 05:40:33 <rm_you> mostly sources >_>
Jun 06 05:40:52 <rm_you> timelyx: my first bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 :P
Jun 06 05:40:57 <rm_you> vote! :P
Jun 06 05:40:59 <timelyx> rm_you: out of curiosity, how many of those were actually available?
Jun 06 05:41:04 <GAN800> See #3199, which is a blatant copyright violation of my bug. ;)
Jun 06 05:41:09 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 05:41:10 <mrglinux> somebody said ... the n810 or like this product didn't distribute in Asian country but some of them made in Korea.. Korea is Europain  ?
Jun 06 05:41:30 <rm_you> yeah, i totally plagiarized GA :P
Jun 06 05:41:48 <rm_you> timelyx: how many of what?
Jun 06 05:41:53 <rm_you> docs I was looking for?
Jun 06 05:41:58 <timelyx> sources
Jun 06 05:42:00 <rm_you> ah
Jun 06 05:42:07 <rm_you> most of the statusbar apps are closed
Jun 06 05:42:12 * timelyx nods
Jun 06 05:42:13 <rm_you> and i believe most of the home apps are too
Jun 06 05:42:20 <timelyx> yep
Jun 06 05:42:31 <rm_you> that's been my focus, pretty much...
Jun 06 05:42:36 <timelyx> someone was asking about im- stuff
Jun 06 05:42:40 <rm_you> and it has made my job so much harder
Jun 06 05:42:40 <timelyx> and it turns out it was open
Jun 06 05:42:54 <rm_you> yeah i asked about the API for that a minute ago
Jun 06 05:42:57 <timelyx> i wasted a lot of time making black box apis for something that was open
Jun 06 05:43:16 <rm_you> well i was getting my APIs for that stuff from http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-x/
Jun 06 05:43:23 <rm_you> turns out i needed to be on live.gnome.org
Jun 06 05:43:28 <timelyx> heh
Jun 06 05:43:31 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 05:43:37 <timelyx> yay wikis!
Jun 06 05:43:51 <mrglinux> do you think can i find n810 from china .. my friend now is in china... and i tell him to buy it for me but i am worry about that ?
Jun 06 05:44:07 <timelyx> mrglinux: um, they aren't sold in asia
Jun 06 05:44:10 <rm_you> mrglinux: i doubt it? don't know of a native chinese localization
Jun 06 05:44:20 <timelyx> i had thought that they were all made in finland
Jun 06 05:44:20 <GAN800> I wonder how much of this doc stuff falls under dneary.
Jun 06 05:44:24 <timelyx> but i hadn't really checked
Jun 06 05:44:37 <GAN800> korean and finland
Jun 06 05:44:45 <timelyx> technically there's an entire development platform team responsible for docs
Jun 06 05:44:48 <rm_you> mrglinux: pretty much only available in US/canada or the european union
Jun 06 05:44:54 <GAN800> well, south korea. ;)
Jun 06 05:45:24 <GAN800> Yeah, but dneary is easy to poke with a stick.
Jun 06 05:45:33 <mrglinux> rm_you: timelyx: hasn't made some n810 from Korea but Korea is Asian ... isn't?or is it possible some shop bring it to their shops ?
Jun 06 05:45:43 <timelyx> kinda odd, we support russian, and Spanish/Portuguese for latin america
Jun 06 05:45:56 <timelyx> mrglinux: i don't deal in hardware
Jun 06 05:46:12 <timelyx> so if GAN800 wants to claim that some of it is made there, maybe he's right
Jun 06 05:46:18 <rm_you> timelyx: do you work for nokia?
Jun 06 05:46:19 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 05:46:23 <mrglinux> nobody form china here ?
Jun 06 05:46:26 <timelyx> however, none of it is supposed to be sold there
Jun 06 05:46:31 <timelyx> it's not an official market
Jun 06 05:46:39 <timelyx> s/it's not/it isn't/
Jun 06 05:46:39 <infobot> timelyx meant: it isn't an official market
Jun 06 05:46:44 * timelyx sighs
Jun 06 05:46:49 <GAN800> mine says 'made in korea'
Jun 06 05:46:50 <rm_you> mrglinux: CAN people in china be here? *glances at China's ridiculous firewall*
Jun 06 05:46:53 <timelyx> infobot: good bot, have a shiny bot snack
Jun 06 05:46:53 <infobot> :), timelyx
Jun 06 05:46:55 * GAN800 shrugs
Jun 06 05:47:35 <mrglinux> m_you: thx .. my grammar is not good but improves
Jun 06 05:48:12 <rm_you> who in this channel works for nokia?
Jun 06 05:48:25 <rm_you> I need to compile a list or something so I know when I'm talking to one of them :)
Jun 06 05:48:26 <mrglinux> rm_you:  ^
Jun 06 05:48:41 <rm_you> mrglinux: yeah, np :)
Jun 06 05:48:58 <GAN800> we all do, and we're spying on you. O_O
Jun 06 05:49:14 <rm_you> GAN800: GIVE ME THE SOURCE FOR THE DISPLAY STATUSBAR APPLET!!!
Jun 06 05:49:30 <GAN800> Nevar!
Jun 06 05:49:58 * GAN800 runs away from rm_you to observe with binoculars.
Jun 06 05:50:05 * mrglinux cry's for n810 :'(
Jun 06 05:50:10 <johnx> so I might as well ask: anyone here familiar with the inner-workings of sapwood?
Jun 06 05:50:42 <johnx> (it is open source of course, but I still can't wrap my head around a problem)
Jun 06 05:54:22 <timelyx> rm_you: err
Jun 06 05:54:48 <timelyx> define "works for"
Jun 06 05:55:03 <timelyx> does works for, or receives salary from?
Jun 06 05:56:19 <timelyx> offhand, and excluding duplicates, and using the latter definition, i only recognize 3
Jun 06 05:56:20 * mrglinux praying 
Jun 06 05:56:37 * mrglinux is praying 
Jun 06 05:57:02 <rm_you> timelyx: what?!
Jun 06 05:57:12 <rm_you> ok, what do you do for nokia?
Jun 06 05:57:16 * rm_you is confused
Jun 06 05:57:57 <timelyx> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/
Jun 06 05:58:43 <lahiru> Hi.. is it possible to use N800 's cam from a pc ?
Jun 06 05:59:07 <johnx> ok, so just to figure this out: timelyx, are you also timeless and timely?
Jun 06 05:59:10 <lahiru> I tried with motion. but it's really slow :(
Jun 06 05:59:17 <timelyx> hi :)
Jun 06 05:59:20 <rm_you> i was wondering that
Jun 06 05:59:30 <rm_you> i don't think he's timeless?
Jun 06 05:59:35 <rm_you> or am i wrong
Jun 06 05:59:40 <lahiru> can't we use the cam via usb
Jun 06 05:59:43 <timelyx> 08:59 Server timelyx is n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi (timeless)
Jun 06 05:59:48 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 05:59:59 <johnx> heh...should have checked that I guess
Jun 06 05:59:59 <rm_you> but timeless works for nokia verymuchso?
Jun 06 06:00:02 * rm_you is confused again
Jun 06 06:00:05 <timelyx> yes
Jun 06 06:00:06 <johnx> lahiru, not that I'm aware of
Jun 06 06:00:10 <rm_you> you gave me code :P
Jun 06 06:00:12 <timelyx> i do recognize myself when i look through the list :)
Jun 06 06:00:21 <rm_you> which reminds me, I sent you another email :)
Jun 06 06:00:31 <timelyx> yeah, i've been fighting paperwork
Jun 06 06:00:51 <rm_you> :(
Jun 06 06:00:51 <GAN800> A noble fight
Jun 06 06:00:57 <timelyx> a losing battle
Jun 06 06:01:16 <timelyx> but i hope i struck a devastating block against a paper last night
Jun 06 06:01:22 <Dekaritae> Yay, Sunrise XP works perfectly with FBReader
Jun 06 06:01:41 <lahiru> johnx: oh :(
Jun 06 06:01:49 <timelyx> hrm... yes, block instead of blow is an interesting thought-o
Jun 06 06:01:52 <lahiru> johnx: thanks.
Jun 06 06:02:01 <johnx> lahiru, there might be a program like motion that works better, but I don't know
Jun 06 06:02:08 <GAN800> Goes with the losing battle. ;)
Jun 06 06:02:20 <johnx> Dekaritae, good to hear
Jun 06 06:02:29 <rm_you> lahiru: well... if X forwarding works, you could ssh -X in and use mplayer on the cam :P
Jun 06 06:02:55 <timelyx> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=n810&btnG=Search+Products&cid=10657832716709053816
Jun 06 06:02:57 <GAN800> lahiru, it's possible, but most of the methods I've seen are rather convoluted. and by 'possible', I mean like an mjpeg stream.
Jun 06 06:03:02 <timelyx> so, none of those will ship internationally?
Jun 06 06:03:05 <johnx> an interesting idea...can device files be acessed through sshfs?
Jun 06 06:03:10 <rm_you> well...
Jun 06 06:03:17 <rm_you> dunno, but it's just mplayer tv://
Jun 06 06:03:24 <rm_you> sooo
Jun 06 06:03:35 <KotCzarny> johnx: no
Jun 06 06:03:41 <johnx> fair enough :)
Jun 06 06:03:46 <rm_you> ssh -X root@n810 mplayer tv://
Jun 06 06:03:51 <KotCzarny> ie. you would be accessing local device anyway
Jun 06 06:03:54 <timelyx> johnx: sshfs only requires sshd on the device, no?
Jun 06 06:03:59 <timelyx> or do you mean /dev/X
Jun 06 06:04:07 <johnx> KotCzarny, aaah...right...I didn't really think that through
Jun 06 06:04:37 <KotCzarny> unless scp supports ioctls ;)
Jun 06 06:05:08 <johnx> sshfs is backed by sftp actually
Jun 06 06:05:18 <KotCzarny> timelyx: also sftp servvice enabled
Jun 06 06:05:46 <KotCzarny> most default sshd configs do it anyway
Jun 06 06:05:52 <johnx> timelyx, yes...just idle speculation on my part
Jun 06 06:05:58 <KotCzarny> Subsystem       sftp    /usr/libexec/sftp-server
Jun 06 06:05:59 * johnx returns to sifting through sapwood
Jun 06 06:06:18 * timelyx doesn't get it
Jun 06 06:06:32 <KotCzarny> think of it as a ftp over ssh
Jun 06 06:06:34 <KotCzarny> +/-
Jun 06 06:06:37 <timelyx> most stores i can find, e.g. http://www.despercia.com/nokia-n810.html seem to offer international shipping
Jun 06 06:06:47 <timelyx> why is it so hard for people to use the internet to find a device?
Jun 06 06:07:19 <KotCzarny> some countries are banned from getting nice tech
Jun 06 06:07:21 <johnx> timelyx, for a second I was having thoughts of remote device level access through ssh, but there are lots of reasons it wouldn't work :/
Jun 06 06:07:26 <lahiru> mmm sounds interesting.. :)
Jun 06 06:07:29 <KotCzarny> ie. north korea
Jun 06 06:07:45 <KotCzarny> johnx: port forwarding
Jun 06 06:07:47 <timelyx> s/ie\./e.g./
Jun 06 06:08:01 <timelyx> unless you mean only that country
Jun 06 06:08:06 <timelyx> which is generally not what one means
Jun 06 06:08:11 <KotCzarny> ie. it should work with tcp/udp
Jun 06 06:08:23 <lahiru> GAN800: I just need to use it for my Image Processing stuffs.
Jun 06 06:08:42 <KotCzarny> timelyx: can be others too, that was only an example
Jun 06 06:08:49 <lahiru> GAN800: though of transmitting images from N800 to a PC
Jun 06 06:09:20 <timelyx> KotCzarny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_est
Jun 06 06:10:04 <KotCzarny> timelyx: and?
Jun 06 06:10:29 <KotCzarny> though thanks for clarifying :)
Jun 06 06:11:03 <KotCzarny> but i have used it properly
Jun 06 06:11:20 <KotCzarny> ie. made sense to use it there
Jun 06 06:11:27 <timelyx> no
Jun 06 06:11:42 <KotCzarny> show me my error then
Jun 06 06:12:05 <timelyx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_est#ref_egie
Jun 06 06:12:18 <KotCzarny> yes
Jun 06 06:12:22 <KotCzarny> i saw it
Jun 06 06:12:28 <timelyx> if you're saying there's more than one
Jun 06 06:12:37 <timelyx> then you want an example, (e.g.)
Jun 06 06:13:02 <KotCzarny> but i have said 'port forwarding, that is, tcp/udp'
Jun 06 06:13:10 <timelyx> oh that case was correct
Jun 06 06:13:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:13:16 <timelyx> your previous use was wrong
Jun 06 06:13:19 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jun 06 06:13:33 * KotCzarny nods
Jun 06 06:13:42 <KotCzarny> with previous i agree
Jun 06 06:14:25 <timelyx> #ref_egiecomma is interesting
Jun 06 06:14:31 <timelyx> i need to keep that in mind when correcting docs
Jun 06 06:14:39 <KotCzarny> :>
Jun 06 06:14:51 * timelyx should try to figure out how to remove a changeset from a bzr series
Jun 06 06:15:03 <rm_you> GAN800: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 06 06:15:03 <rm_you> GAN800: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 06 06:15:10 <rm_you> "I have sent you an invitation to extras (which covers extras-devel as
Jun 06 06:15:10 <rm_you> well).
Jun 06 06:15:10 <rm_you>  --BR"
Jun 06 06:15:53 <GAN800> woo
Jun 06 06:16:00 <GAN800> Upload, gogogo
Jun 06 06:16:21 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 06:16:31 <rm_you> need to generate GPG/SSH keys
Jun 06 06:16:36 <rm_you> do they want DSA or RSA?
Jun 06 06:16:46 <KotCzarny> NSA
Jun 06 06:16:48 <timelyx> someone mentioned that dsa is frowned upon
Jun 06 06:16:48 * KotCzarny grins
Jun 06 06:16:52 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 06:16:55 <KotCzarny> nsa has them all
Jun 06 06:16:58 <timelyx> but make sure you're using 097 and not 098
Jun 06 06:17:06 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 06:17:10 <timelyx> 098 is too complicated for my tiny little mind :)
Jun 06 06:17:25 <n800n> i forgot... where are the mimetypes stored?
Jun 06 06:17:39 <timelyx> n800n: and google didn't tell you?
Jun 06 06:17:54 <RST38h> GA,Kot: you can now filter by section and repo: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo
Jun 06 06:18:01 <RST38h> Still looking for Maemo-styled icons though
Jun 06 06:18:23 <n800n> somebody here told me before
Jun 06 06:18:32 <KotCzarny> hrm
Jun 06 06:18:38 <GAN800> Like I said, downsize the .deb link, drop that column and use the .install arrow. :p
Jun 06 06:18:46 <KotCzarny> rst, i have an idea
Jun 06 06:18:55 <KotCzarny> make a meta categories
Jun 06 06:19:06 <RST38h> Given that I am unwilling to drop the deb thing, where do I get a download icon in the same style? :)
Jun 06 06:19:13 <RST38h> (I may drop it later but not now)
Jun 06 06:19:13 <KotCzarny> ie. utilitie that will have few of them misspeled etc
Jun 06 06:19:20 <RST38h> Kot: Aha
Jun 06 06:19:23 <timelyx> what happened to gronmeyer?
Jun 06 06:19:31 <RST38h> timelyx: nothing, it is still there
Jun 06 06:19:42 <RST38h> it is not well usable from a tablet though
Jun 06 06:19:47 <GAN800> The direct .deb download is bad for newbies.
Jun 06 06:19:51 <KotCzarny> what i hated in that repo/pkg mess is that sections are not usable
Jun 06 06:20:02 <timelyx> RST38h: really?
Jun 06 06:20:03 <RST38h> GA: Newbies shell use App Manager application
Jun 06 06:20:10 <RST38h> s/shell/shall
Jun 06 06:20:12 <KotCzarny> ie. it could be in music, audio, user/sound etc
Jun 06 06:20:24 <KotCzarny> and one has to hit 'all' anyway
Jun 06 06:20:28 <RST38h> Kot: this requires some handwork
Jun 06 06:20:32 <KotCzarny> yes
Jun 06 06:20:32 <GAN800> So a newbie should never see this site. . . .
Jun 06 06:20:35 <KotCzarny> but not that much
Jun 06 06:20:36 <RST38h> Kot: But it can be done once though
Jun 06 06:20:46 <KotCzarny> and i don't want cherrypicking debs
Jun 06 06:20:50 <KotCzarny> only sections
Jun 06 06:20:50 <RST38h> GA: Rather, when he sees this site, he should no longer be a newbie
Jun 06 06:21:03 <KotCzarny> ie. section aggregator
Jun 06 06:21:16 <RST38h> Kot: just keep the repo input line empty
Jun 06 06:21:24 <KotCzarny> meh
Jun 06 06:21:26 <RST38h> I will do something about section aggregation
Jun 06 06:21:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:21:36 <GAN800> Either way, he shouldn't get to the .deb link by accident. Which he will do if it's exactly the same size as the .install.
Jun 06 06:21:39 <RST38h> Kot: Some people WANT to select by repo
Jun 06 06:21:52 <KotCzarny> that's a good idea
Jun 06 06:22:00 <KotCzarny> maybe add repo rating/priority too?
Jun 06 06:22:07 <RST38h> Too complicated
Jun 06 06:22:11 <KotCzarny> not really
Jun 06 06:22:11 <GAN800> Change the .deb link to a text and move it.
Jun 06 06:22:17 <RST38h> And nobody will use rating anyway :(
Jun 06 06:22:21 <KotCzarny> nokia's repos will have +10
Jun 06 06:22:27 <KotCzarny> extras will have +5
Jun 06 06:22:28 <RST38h> Kot: it was suggested to add commenting yesterday
Jun 06 06:22:35 <RST38h> Kot: THAT may be of some use
Jun 06 06:22:41 <KotCzarny> known offenders will have -5
Jun 06 06:22:51 <KotCzarny> and everything else will have 0
Jun 06 06:22:51 <RST38h> GA: Or change icon to a bomb =)
Jun 06 06:23:13 <RST38h> nah, ratings I will not add, useless stuff +(
Jun 06 06:23:24 <n800n> useless
Jun 06 06:23:27 <RST38h> nobody rates and I don't want to rate by myself
Jun 06 06:23:39 <KotCzarny> not package ratings
Jun 06 06:23:45 <GAN800> Why do you need the .deb link to be the same size as .install, anyway?
Jun 06 06:23:47 <KotCzarny> think of it as priorities then
Jun 06 06:24:02 <RST38h> GA: No specific reason, mostly visual neatness
Jun 06 06:24:22 <RST38h> GA: I thikn I will make it available from folded text only
Jun 06 06:24:24 <KotCzarny> no ssh?
Jun 06 06:24:26 <KotCzarny> O.o
Jun 06 06:24:30 <GAN800> Function over form.
Jun 06 06:24:45 <RST38h> Well when it was added I was unsure of function :)
Jun 06 06:24:49 <KotCzarny> http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=OS2008&Arg=ssh&Section=&Repo=
Jun 06 06:24:57 <GAN800> RST38h, good, folded text is where it _should_ be. ;)
Jun 06 06:25:25 <RST38h> It shows me ssh
Jun 06 06:25:31 <KotCzarny> rst, does it work at all? i get empty results
Jun 06 06:25:31 <GAN800> Hidden away for people who want it for a specifix reason, not in plain sight for any idiot to click on.
Jun 06 06:25:39 <RST38h> openssh-client
Jun 06 06:25:44 <KotCzarny> meh.
Jun 06 06:25:51 * johnx thinks out loud: it might be nice to have gdebi on the tablet...
Jun 06 06:25:55 <KotCzarny> useless then
Jun 06 06:26:03 <RST38h> Kot: Using this link: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=ssh&Section=&Repo=
Jun 06 06:26:13 <KotCzarny> add a 'search is a part of the string' checkbox
Jun 06 06:26:16 <timelyx> RST38h / KotCzarny: what's the difference between section "" and section "" ?
Jun 06 06:26:18 <RST38h> It is already there
Jun 06 06:26:24 <timelyx> same for repository
Jun 06 06:26:27 <RST38h> It DOES search part of the string
Jun 06 06:26:35 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jun 06 06:26:37 <RST38h> timelyx: first combo box value is always the last you have chosen
Jun 06 06:26:46 <KotCzarny> rst, so os doesn't work yet?
Jun 06 06:26:50 <RST38h> then you are presented with choices, including the one you have chosen last
Jun 06 06:26:55 <RST38h> Kot: it does not
Jun 06 06:27:01 <KotCzarny> ack.
Jun 06 06:27:02 <RST38h> Kot: may even remove it completely
Jun 06 06:27:04 <timelyx> RST38h: it'd be better if you didn't repeat things
Jun 06 06:27:09 <KotCzarny> rst, don't
Jun 06 06:27:14 <timelyx> instead just use <option selected=selected>
Jun 06 06:27:17 <KotCzarny> some packages are incompatible
Jun 06 06:27:19 <timelyx> people will figure it out
Jun 06 06:27:34 * GAN800 is with timelyx on that.
Jun 06 06:27:38 <RST38h> timelyx: this one has to do with html/php coding
Jun 06 06:27:45 <RST38h> sorry, it is easier to code the way it is
Jun 06 06:27:48 <timelyx> if php is really that broken, replace it
Jun 06 06:27:53 <timelyx> also, please sort 2008 > 2007 > 2006
Jun 06 06:28:04 <RST38h> sorting I will do in a second
Jun 06 06:28:05 <timelyx> and if "" means "any", replace "" with "any"
Jun 06 06:28:15 <KotCzarny> preselecting is trivial
Jun 06 06:28:23 <KotCzarny> even i can code it
Jun 06 06:28:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:28:52 <timelyx> the size thing doesn't make sense
Jun 06 06:28:55 <timelyx> 3kB
Jun 06 06:28:57 <timelyx> --
Jun 06 06:28:59 <timelyx> 36kB
Jun 06 06:29:16 <KotCzarny> and you should display 'matched the name' > 'matched in the name' > 'matched in description'
Jun 06 06:29:44 <timelyx> actually, you should color or bold matches
Jun 06 06:29:49 <rm_you> wtf is a GPG key supposed to look like
Jun 06 06:29:52 <rm_you> never used GPG :/
Jun 06 06:30:09 <timelyx> bonus points for using google colors for multi word searches
Jun 06 06:30:23 <KotCzarny> trivial
Jun 06 06:30:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:30:32 <KotCzarny> replace()
Jun 06 06:30:33 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 06 06:30:52 <KotCzarny> can even be done with js
Jun 06 06:31:00 <rm_you> GAN800: any idea what GPG keys look like?
Jun 06 06:31:03 <rm_you> what are they expecting
Jun 06 06:31:04 <timelyx> img tags *must* have an ALT tag
Jun 06 06:31:10 <timelyx> that's a requirement. period.
Jun 06 06:31:24 <RST38h> Kot: I will highlight
Jun 06 06:31:33 <timelyx> lines that contain "." only need to be converted into <p>s
Jun 06 06:31:47 <KotCzarny> timelyx: alt="picture.jpg" ?
Jun 06 06:31:48 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 06 06:32:10 <timelyx> alt="Download" alt="Install"
Jun 06 06:32:12 <timelyx> etc
Jun 06 06:32:23 <timelyx> i'd italicize the maintainer
Jun 06 06:32:42 <GAN800> rm_you, it looks like a GPG key. :p
Jun 06 06:32:43 <timelyx> and i'd de-emphasize the version (small?)
Jun 06 06:33:24 <RST38h> deemphasizing the verson is wrong
Jun 06 06:33:26 <RST38h> tried that
Jun 06 06:33:37 <RST38h> it confuses users
Jun 06 06:33:38 <timelyx> you might as well make the top size link go to a page that offers to calculate download size for dialup (2g, 2.5g, 3g)
Jun 06 06:33:46 <timelyx> that'll help people understand that it's download size
Jun 06 06:34:10 <RST38h> I will clarify which size is the download one
Jun 06 06:34:23 <timelyx> http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=install&PackageID=6780
Jun 06 06:34:31 <timelyx> that page is kinda blank
Jun 06 06:34:35 <timelyx> did i do something wrong?
Jun 06 06:34:37 <KotCzarny> wip probably
Jun 06 06:34:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:35:02 <timelyx> note: i tend to do one drive by review on a site, and may never return :)
Jun 06 06:35:06 <timelyx> so this is your only chance :)
Jun 06 06:35:11 <rm_you> ah finally got it
Jun 06 06:36:24 <timelyx> <OPTION VALUE="""libs">""libs
Jun 06 06:36:30 <rm_you> LOL they tell me this in an email they send AFTER i give them my keys: "Note! Please make sure you use the type 'rsa' when creating the SSH key.
Jun 06 06:36:31 <rm_you> "
Jun 06 06:36:32 <timelyx> offfhand, i'm pretty sure that doesn't do what you want
Jun 06 06:36:57 <GAN800> rm_you, hehe
Jun 06 06:36:59 <RST38h> is there some flag or css style tht I can attach to a paragraph to hide it?
Jun 06 06:37:07 <RST38h> I mean the <P>/</P> paragraph
Jun 06 06:37:12 <rm_you> GAN800: gah i have to rebuild all this stuff
Jun 06 06:37:20 <GAN800> display: none
Jun 06 06:37:29 <GAN800> rm_you autobuilder?
Jun 06 06:37:46 <KotCzarny> display:none
Jun 06 06:38:18 <timelyx> RST38h: P { visibility: collapse } ?
Jun 06 06:38:21 <KotCzarny> you can later reenable it with display:block or inline
Jun 06 06:38:31 <timelyx> depending on what you want
Jun 06 06:38:38 <timelyx> visibility may be more correct
Jun 06 06:38:41 <RST38h> timelyx: thanks
Jun 06 06:38:51 <KotCzarny> setting height too
Jun 06 06:38:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:39:01 <timelyx> note that you should use an id or class instead of trying to style all p's :)
Jun 06 06:39:04 <RST38h> Kot: collapse should remove it completely right?
Jun 06 06:39:25 <RST38h> timelyx: I will have to use it on per-p basis from javascript
Jun 06 06:39:26 <KotCzarny> never used collapse
Jun 06 06:39:29 <KotCzarny> only for borders
Jun 06 06:39:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 06:40:01 <timelyx> RST38h: you might want to replace s/^-{5,}$/<hr>/
Jun 06 06:42:53 <RST38h> yea
Jun 06 06:43:08 <timelyx> johnx: the going away blogs will be /139/ and /140/ they're currently placeholders
Jun 06 06:43:23 <johnx> hmm?
Jun 06 06:44:00 <timelyx> RST38h: something's wrong w/ the openssh package
Jun 06 06:44:47 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/openssh-3.8p1/debian/control
Jun 06 06:44:55 <timelyx> the ---'d line is clearly ok
Jun 06 06:45:14 <timelyx> link requires < http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb>
Jun 06 06:45:31 * timelyx doesn't like typing http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/
Jun 06 06:46:13 <timelyx> <TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="100%"><TABLE WIDTH="100%"><TR><TD ALIGN=LEFT><B>openssh</B></TD><TD ALIGN=RIGHT><B>1:4.6p1-5.maemo1</B></TD></TR></TABLE><P ALIGN=CENTER><I>Secure shell client and server</I></P><P ALIGN=LEFT><TT>This is a metapackage depending on both the OpenSSH client and the OpenSSH server, which are now in separate packages. --------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>In some
Jun 06 06:46:13 <timelyx>  countries it may be illegal to use any encryption at all without a special permit. </TT></P>
Jun 06 06:46:24 <timelyx> oh, and could you please add some newlines to the source code? :)
Jun 06 06:46:55 <rm_you> hrm, do I have to wait a bit before I can upload packages?
Jun 06 06:46:59 <timelyx> and you should probably try using .r { text-align: right }
Jun 06 06:47:01 <timelyx> or something
Jun 06 06:47:11 <rm_you> either that or I put in my key wrong, since it is giving me "permission denied"
Jun 06 06:47:46 <timelyx> rm_you: you have ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, right?
Jun 06 06:47:53 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 06:48:00 <timelyx> cat ~/.ssh/*.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
Jun 06 06:48:02 <timelyx> ssh localhost
Jun 06 06:48:18 <timelyx> if you can successfully ssh to localhost (sshd is installed, right?)
Jun 06 06:48:22 <timelyx> then your key is working :)
Jun 06 06:48:23 <rm_you> oh yes
Jun 06 06:48:30 <rm_you> i mean, i already use this key
Jun 06 06:48:35 <rm_you> to ssh into this machine
Jun 06 06:48:36 <rm_you> :/
Jun 06 06:48:37 <RST38h> timelyx: You are talking to a PHP script
Jun 06 06:48:52 <RST38h> It doesn't care.
Jun 06 06:49:04 <timelyx> RST38h: if i'm on dialup, i care
Jun 06 06:49:12 <timelyx> repeated ALIGN=CENTERs suck
Jun 06 06:49:20 <timelyx> class=c is a lot cheaper
Jun 06 06:49:53 <timelyx> eww
Jun 06 06:50:02 <timelyx> um... you need to html escape the maintainer
Jun 06 06:50:05 <timelyx> <P ALIGN=RIGHT><I>Ed Bartosh <bartosh@gmail.com></I></P>
Jun 06 06:50:18 <KotCzarny> not only that
Jun 06 06:50:18 <timelyx> otherwise someone's going to inject evil code into your web page
Jun 06 06:50:25 <KotCzarny> but anything from alien source
Jun 06 06:50:26 <KotCzarny> s
Jun 06 06:50:33 <timelyx> yeah well... let's start w/ that? :)
Jun 06 06:50:49 <KotCzarny> just make a function :)
Jun 06 06:51:09 <timelyx> oh, and to be nice to people
Jun 06 06:51:11 <RST38h> timelyx: Yea, I am still working on fixing that =)
Jun 06 06:51:20 <timelyx> it's probably not best to expose email addresses directly
Jun 06 06:51:28 <timelyx> if you can recognize things you think are "names"
Jun 06 06:51:32 <RST38h> These addresses are exposed already
Jun 06 06:51:34 <timelyx> link to a page w/ the "name"
Jun 06 06:51:39 <timelyx> yeah yeah
Jun 06 06:51:49 <timelyx> (in fact, mxr exposes them)
Jun 06 06:51:52 <rm_you> is there any way to change my RSA key on the garage page?
Jun 06 06:52:07 <rm_you> i can only imagine i managed to put it in wrong :/
Jun 06 06:52:49 <timelyx> oh, btw, you should use <th> instead of <td><b>
Jun 06 06:53:05 <GAN800> Gotta wait for X-Fade to get here in 3 hours to hold your hand. :P
Jun 06 06:53:09 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 06:53:20 <rm_you> maybe it just takes a while...
Jun 06 06:54:01 <GAN800> The fox has to run your key bit-by-bit to the repo server.
Jun 06 06:54:38 <herwood> hi
Jun 06 06:55:19 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 06:57:50 <herwood> does anybody know where I could find OBEX error codes?
Jun 06 07:01:01 <RST38h> ok, fixed email addresses
Jun 06 07:04:36 <RST38h> visibility:collapse does not collapse the paragraph just hides it =9
Jun 06 07:05:30 <rm_you> GAN800: ok well anyway, beta?
Jun 06 07:05:44 <GAN800> Sure
Jun 06 07:05:54 <GAN800> it's too damn hot to sleep.
Jun 06 07:06:00 <rm_you> remember to disable it before you replace the .so
Jun 06 07:06:03 <rm_you> or it will crash :P
Jun 06 07:06:16 <rm_you> also, first thing you do, move the volume slider
Jun 06 07:06:20 <rm_you> and tell me if it crashes
Jun 06 07:06:36 <rm_you> it still does the "crash like once per install on first volume slider movement" thing....
Jun 06 07:06:51 <rm_you> still stumped on that, but it seems to happen almost every install, but only ONCE EVER :P
Jun 06 07:07:27 <KotCzarny> rst: use display:none then
Jun 06 07:08:36 <RST38h> height=0px;overflow=hidden; does it
Jun 06 07:08:42 <RST38h> lemme check display:none
Jun 06 07:09:21 <RST38h> display:none works
Jun 06 07:09:45 <RST38h> Any JS wizard cares to tell me how to quickly toggle it on click?
Jun 06 07:09:49 <Dekaritae> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/sys/706725153.html
Jun 06 07:09:51 <Dekaritae> Er
Jun 06 07:09:53 <KotCzarny> i can
Jun 06 07:09:56 <RST38h> i.e. inside onclick
Jun 06 07:09:56 <KotCzarny> just a moment
Jun 06 07:09:56 <RST38h> ?
Jun 06 07:10:31 <KotCzarny> <span onclick="document.getElementById('hide_xtrans').innerHTML=''">
Jun 06 07:10:41 <KotCzarny> erm, wrong one
Jun 06 07:10:46 <RST38h> aha
Jun 06 07:10:52 <RST38h> no no
Jun 06 07:10:57 <RST38h> this will delete it :)
Jun 06 07:11:25 <KotCzarny> well
Jun 06 07:12:12 <KotCzarny> ok, so i don't have code handy
Jun 06 07:13:12 <RST38h> ok, how do I access current element's css values from js?
Jun 06 07:13:32 <KotCzarny> this.style ?
Jun 06 07:13:41 <timelyx> getComputedStyle
Jun 06 07:14:06 <KotCzarny> but i bet some of the props are available by this.style.prop
Jun 06 07:14:48 <RST38h> ah
Jun 06 07:14:51 <RST38h> this.
Jun 06 07:14:57 * RST38h stupid
Jun 06 07:16:26 <zumbi_> hi - can somebody tell me what xserver is nokia devices running?
Jun 06 07:16:36 <KotCzarny> kdrive
Jun 06 07:16:40 <KotCzarny> afair
Jun 06 07:18:18 <johnx> xomap, derived from kdrive, derived from tinyx
Jun 06 07:18:28 <johnx> similar to xfbdev in many ways
Jun 06 07:21:33 <RST38h> All righty
Jun 06 07:21:37 <RST38h> I have done toggling
Jun 06 07:21:39 <RST38h> Try
Jun 06 07:21:50 <GAN800> rm_you, yes crash.
Jun 06 07:21:50 <zumbi_> do you think there is a debian package for those X servers?
Jun 06 07:21:59 <KotCzarny> unlikely
Jun 06 07:22:10 <zumbi_> in debian i just can find xserver-xephyr
Jun 06 07:22:53 <KotCzarny> but don't cite me
Jun 06 07:23:45 <zumbi_> fine, thanks - another question would be about hildon status.. is it working fine on some other resolution screens?
Jun 06 07:25:04 <rm_you> GAN800: ok well, what do you think? (assuming you actually reloaded it)
Jun 06 07:25:07 <rm_you> k
Jun 06 07:25:12 <GAN800> rm_you, change "Allow Zero backlight" to something else and s/Orginal/Default/
Jun 06 07:25:27 <KotCzarny> zumbi: define 'working'
Jun 06 07:25:35 <rm_you> ? :/
Jun 06 07:25:39 <rm_you> to what else
Jun 06 07:26:02 <Dekaritae> Is underclocking an option to conserve battery, or is this already done?
Jun 06 07:26:10 <KotCzarny> already done
Jun 06 07:26:15 <rm_you> KotCzarny: well?
Jun 06 07:26:21 <KotCzarny> rm: huh?
Jun 06 07:26:27 <rm_you> Dekaritae: lcuk does it in his new app...
Jun 06 07:26:30 <rm_you> underclocking
Jun 06 07:26:46 <GAN800> Allow backlight-off or Allow turning off backlight and change the N800 warning.
Jun 06 07:26:58 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 07:27:02 <zumbi_> KotCzarny: with 'working' i mean if hildon does fine on other resolution screen, besides N{7,8}xx devices
Jun 06 07:27:14 <GAN800> or at least lowercase it.
Jun 06 07:27:18 <rm_you> I was going to have MORE warnings
Jun 06 07:27:18 <Dekaritae> My Palm runs at 200Mhz but I use Lightspeed to drop it down to 133 Mhz when playing music or reading books
Jun 06 07:27:19 <KotCzarny> zumbi: then answer is: partially
Jun 06 07:27:26 <rm_you> and a second checkbox "Are you REALLY sure?"
Jun 06 07:27:32 <KotCzarny> ie. with rotating you can get 480x800 res
Jun 06 07:27:43 <KotCzarny> and some windows are simply too wide to use comfortably
Jun 06 07:27:45 <zumbi_> KotCzarny: ok - i understand it works then, but it may have to be hacked a little
Jun 06 07:27:51 <KotCzarny> but overall works
Jun 06 07:27:53 <GAN800> Dekaritae, cpu speed is adjusted automatically
Jun 06 07:28:04 <zumbi_> KotCzarny: thanks
Jun 06 07:28:13 <KotCzarny> it's just that 800x480 is assumed in many places
Jun 06 07:28:13 <johnx> zumbi_, hildon the lib works fine, hildon-desktop with panels is a bit resolution dependent
Jun 06 07:28:46 <GAN800> rm_you, did you see the hardware keys patch on Garage?
Jun 06 07:28:51 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 07:28:52 <rm_you> no?
Jun 06 07:28:53 <KotCzarny> Dekaritae: you can hack speeds inside the kernel
Jun 06 07:29:06 <Dekaritae> Ah
Jun 06 07:29:24 <GAN800> Check Garage. :P
Jun 06 07:30:03 <GAN800> There's a patch somebody submitted to allow hardware keys to control the applet.
Jun 06 07:30:23 <rm_you> ah nice
Jun 06 07:31:09 <GAN800> Anyway, I'm sleeping now. Toss me whatever you get going via email.
Jun 06 07:31:21 <rm_you> so wait
Jun 06 07:31:34 <GAN800> ?
Jun 06 07:31:47 <rm_you> whats wrong with "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)"
Jun 06 07:32:17 <GAN800> Well, correct the capitalisation at least (zero backlight, N800)
Jun 06 07:32:36 <rm_you> why is it bad like it is?
Jun 06 07:32:41 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 07:32:52 <GAN800> I'm just not in love with the phrasing, but it's not super important as I don't have a great alternative.
Jun 06 07:33:18 <GAN800> Is it checked by default for N810 users?
Jun 06 07:33:18 <rm_you> ok
Jun 06 07:33:30 <rm_you> anyone else have any good ideas?
Jun 06 07:33:41 <rm_you> better for a checkbox than "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)"
Jun 06 07:34:23 <GAN800> Because I imagine more N810 users will want to turn it off than N800 users on.
Jun 06 07:34:56 <gomiam> wtf?
Jun 06 07:34:59 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 07:35:13 <gomiam> I'm suffering disconnections continuously
Jun 06 07:35:43 <GAN800> night
Jun 06 07:37:31 <rm_you> night
Jun 06 07:46:47 <Mikho> does anybody know how to *unload* a desktop plugin?
Jun 06 07:47:19 <keesj> you can disable them with the menu , unloading is a lot harder
Jun 06 07:47:59 <Mikho> Id like to give the user a simple "Quit" button in the plugin
Jun 06 07:48:22 <Mikho> why does it have to be so difficult?
Jun 06 07:48:36 <timelyx> it's conceptually hard
Jun 06 07:48:51 <timelyx> the launcher doesn't really know what hooks you've introduced
Jun 06 07:48:57 <timelyx> or how well you can clean up
Jun 06 07:49:29 <Mikho> well, the launcher doesn't need to know, as it's the plugin thats killing itself
Jun 06 07:50:18 <lcuk> if you can "quit" a plugin, doesnt it just become a normal app you can run
Jun 06 07:53:07 <Mikho> normal app wouldn't run in the statusbar area
Jun 06 07:53:16 <Mikho> I want it to run in the statusbar area
Jun 06 07:57:56 <timelyx> Mikho: you know that the user can uncheck your item from the control panel, right?
Jun 06 07:58:04 <timelyx> and have you looked at pidgin?
Jun 06 07:58:40 <johnx> can't the statusbar be a host to normal linux tray applets?
Jun 06 08:00:09 <rm_you> Mikho: you should have a finalize function... you can just call them manually
Jun 06 08:00:13 <rm_you> *that
Jun 06 08:00:47 <rm_you>         G_OBJECT_CLASS(g_type_class_peek_parent(G_OBJECT_GET_CLASS(object)))->finalize(object);
Jun 06 08:00:47 <rm_you>         g_free(statusbar_plugin);
Jun 06 08:00:59 <rm_you> err
Jun 06 08:01:01 <rm_you>         AdvancedBacklightPlugin *statusbar_plugin=ADVANCED_BACKLIGHT_PLUGIN(object);
Jun 06 08:01:47 <Mikho> well, I have a finalize function, but I'm not sure if it's enough if I just call it, as it's supposed to be a callback function
Jun 06 08:02:28 <Mikho> and I don't want the user to meddle with control panel in order to just run or quit the plugin. Too many clicks
Jun 06 08:03:51 <Mikho> rm_you, are you sure just calling finalize is enough?
Jun 06 08:07:28 <rm_you> not sure...
Jun 06 08:07:30 <rm_you> possibly not
Jun 06 08:12:04 <Mikho> I'm checking hd-plugin-manager.c in hildon-desktop sources to find out how it loads the plugins
Jun 06 08:14:32 <timelyx> have you checked pidgin yet?
Jun 06 08:15:43 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pidgin/trunk/ (very old version)
Jun 06 08:15:48 <timelyx> infobot mxr-maemo-org dns?
Jun 06 08:16:11 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Jun 06 08:16:12 <timelyx> oh well
Jun 06 08:17:52 <Mikho> no, I wasn't sure what you meant by checking pidgin at first
Jun 06 08:18:07 <timelyx> well... pidgin is an application, and it probably can appear in the status bar
Jun 06 08:18:12 <timelyx> it might also be able to disappear from it
Jun 06 08:18:24 <timelyx> if it can, then since it's open source,  you can find out how by reading the source :)
Jun 06 08:18:33 <Mikho> oh, I see
Jun 06 08:18:40 <timelyx> this is the power of open source ... :)
Jun 06 08:18:44 <Mikho> Didn't know you had pidgin on N810
Jun 06 08:18:53 <Mikho> I'm running it on my work pc atm
Jun 06 08:19:50 <timelyx> infobot gronmayer?
Jun 06 08:19:51 <infobot> well, gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it
Jun 06 08:20:02 <timelyx> you probably want to visit that site
Jun 06 08:20:11 <timelyx> maybe the other one someone was writing earlier
Jun 06 08:20:23 <timelyx> ... today :)
Jun 06 08:30:01 <Mikho> timelyx, you're right, pidgin runs in the statusbar and it has a quit button
Jun 06 08:30:06 <Mikho> I'll check the source
Jun 06 08:36:51 <rm_you> erk
Jun 06 08:36:53 <rm_you> johnx: you there?
Jun 06 08:37:10 <johnx> for another 5 min :P
Jun 06 08:37:17 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 08:37:27 <rm_you> so... that guy posting howtos on the a2dp thread
Jun 06 08:37:30 <rm_you> didn't he just like...
Jun 06 08:37:40 <rm_you> make it work worse than just using a2dp on
Jun 06 08:37:44 <rm_you> and then switching kagu to mplayer?
Jun 06 08:37:48 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 08:37:53 <johnx> yeah...kinda
Jun 06 08:38:00 <johnx> but uhm...you're right
Jun 06 08:38:04 <johnx> I forgot it was that easy
Jun 06 08:38:06 <rm_you> i kinda want to go tell him to shit up
Jun 06 08:38:09 <rm_you> *shut
Jun 06 08:38:10 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 08:38:13 <johnx> try and be nice
Jun 06 08:38:17 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 08:38:22 <johnx> maybe he'll actually improve it if encouraged
Jun 06 08:38:23 <rm_you> he added like 5 layers of abstraction
Jun 06 08:38:32 <rm_you> and rewrote the perfectly legible howto you had on page 1
Jun 06 08:38:35 <johnx> and used my crappy script anyways :)
Jun 06 08:38:39 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 08:38:39 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 08:39:37 <johnx> so ask him how it's better
Jun 06 08:41:00 <johnx> BTW, tracked my sapwood problem down to either: sapwood_pixmap_get_for_file or pixbuf_proto_request
Jun 06 08:41:17 <b0unc3> good morning
Jun 06 08:41:27 <johnx> mornin'
Jun 06 08:41:29 <rm_you> wtf is sapwood
Jun 06 08:41:54 <johnx> some weird pixmap loader/cacher for hildon themes
Jun 06 08:42:08 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 08:42:13 <johnx> all I care is that it doesn't work right on my zaurus
Jun 06 08:42:21 <johnx> anyways, out of here
Jun 06 08:42:23 <rm_you> running hildon on ur zaurus? :P
Jun 06 08:42:25 <johnx> 'later
Jun 06 08:42:27 <rm_you> lol, to work?
Jun 06 08:42:28 <johnx> rm_you, yup
Jun 06 08:45:08 <b0unc3> guys, the scratchbox installation put something in /opt ?
Jun 06 08:45:42 <kulve> no, not by default
Jun 06 08:45:56 <kulve> by default it goes to /scratchbox
Jun 06 08:47:23 <b0unc3> uhm... I found a /opt/maemo/... and I don't know what is it...
Jun 06 08:53:37 <andre___> hmm, how do i create an account in wiki.maemo.org? when i click on "log in / create account" i only get a login option
Jun 06 08:57:31 <trickie|work> andre___: should be the same as the garage/other maemo login
Jun 06 08:57:41 <trickie|work> single sign on
Jun 06 08:57:42 <trickie|work> ish
Jun 06 08:57:44 <trickie|work> i think
Jun 06 08:58:02 <andre___> argh, right, we merged that
Jun 06 08:58:06 * andre___ slaps himself
Jun 06 08:58:08 <andre___> thanks!
Jun 06 08:59:05 <trickie|work> np
Jun 06 09:41:16 <rm_you> X-Fade: you there?
Jun 06 09:42:40 <lardman> lcuk: video looks good :)
Jun 06 09:43:18 <lardman> lcuk: But where's the bit with physics effects and zooming while you hold - that is also very cool so stick it in! :)
Jun 06 09:44:14 <rm_you> lardman: so SBC works? :P
Jun 06 09:44:19 * rm_you is excited
Jun 06 09:44:33 <lardman> rm_you: effectively sbcenc on BE .au files, yes
Jun 06 09:44:43 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 09:44:44 <rm_you> well
Jun 06 09:44:47 <rm_you> ... hrm
Jun 06 09:44:56 <lardman> rm_you: That's the test code, so that's what I implemented
Jun 06 09:45:00 <rm_you> how will mp3 work?
Jun 06 09:45:08 <rm_you> does it normally decode on the DSP?
Jun 06 09:45:16 <rm_you> if so, will that have it decoding AND encoding on the DSP?
Jun 06 09:45:17 <lardman> yeah, that will be troublesome
Jun 06 09:45:20 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 09:45:23 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 09:45:25 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 09:45:29 <lardman> no, you can't obtain the pcm data after decode
Jun 06 09:45:37 <lardman> unfortunately
Jun 06 09:45:37 <rm_you> ok well
Jun 06 09:45:43 <rm_you> libmad is fine
Jun 06 09:45:48 <rm_you> our processor isn't THAT slow
Jun 06 09:45:50 <timelyx> rm_you: http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=sapwood :)
Jun 06 09:45:51 <lardman> but atm the ARM has to do mp3 decode + sbc encode, so we'll save something
Jun 06 09:45:58 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 09:46:01 <rm_you> a lot, hopefully
Jun 06 09:46:11 <hrw> morning
Jun 06 09:46:13 <rm_you> timelyx: lol, a little late :P
Jun 06 09:46:14 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=sapwood
Jun 06 09:46:18 <rm_you> timelyx: you at work? :P
Jun 06 09:46:22 <lardman> Serge obtained the code for a basic mp3 decoder, so I'll start on that next
Jun 06 09:46:24 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/sapwood-3.0.0/README
Jun 06 09:46:35 <rm_you> timelyx: yes, I get it :P
Jun 06 09:46:37 <timelyx> rm_you: the in my nick 'x' means i'm on my mac (at home)
Jun 06 09:46:44 <rm_you> ah
Jun 06 09:46:46 <rm_you> ok
Jun 06 09:46:51 <rm_you> ...
Jun 06 09:47:08 * timelyx obviously got stuck in scrollback
Jun 06 09:47:11 <rm_you> you should SSH into work and tell me if the display applet IS for sure using a HildonMenu
Jun 06 09:47:16 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 09:47:30 <lcuk> lardman, its no good posting here in daytime i almost always miss things :P   you are right about the scaling and jostling, but i did too many sketches and there are simply too many for the screen at the mo, when i finish the categorisation and evolution code it will be back (along with other stuff)
Jun 06 09:47:32 <rm_you> err, a GtkMenu or any derivative
Jun 06 09:47:54 <timelyx> no, i should walk to work and get lunch :)
Jun 06 09:47:58 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 09:48:11 <rm_you> ok... and then that thing I suggested :P
Jun 06 09:48:26 <timelyx> we'll see...
Jun 06 09:48:27 <rm_you> I've been battling with this thing for 6 months! throw me a bone >_>
Jun 06 09:48:41 <rm_you> if you don't believe me, look at IRC logs for december/january :P
Jun 06 09:48:54 * lcuk throws RM a bone and remembers also starting on a road a few months ago :) 
Jun 06 09:49:03 <rm_you> lol yeah
Jun 06 09:49:05 <timelyx> you haven't given me a reason not to believe you (good thing too)
Jun 06 09:49:16 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 09:49:19 <lardman> lcuk: no worries, I just emailed you to make sure you got it
Jun 06 09:49:33 <rm_you> well, back to working on iconset themes
Jun 06 09:49:43 <rm_you> and then would love to beta 0.9 tonight
Jun 06 09:49:50 <rm_you> and get it out tomorrow pending no major bugs
Jun 06 09:49:57 <rm_you> been too long since release
Jun 06 09:50:01 <lcuk> lol using vnc is v slow and im  running a scan on this computer so vnc is flashing hypnotically
Jun 06 09:50:38 <rm_you> I need to find a decent C string library to use
Jun 06 09:50:47 <rm_you> tired of dealing with char* and strncpy
Jun 06 09:50:52 <lcuk> whats wrong with the built in funcs rm?
Jun 06 09:51:00 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 09:51:08 <rm_you> is there a builtin string lib?
Jun 06 09:51:13 <rm_you> I wasn't aware of one
Jun 06 09:51:21 <lcuk> you're already using it :P
Jun 06 09:51:23 <rm_you> I don't use C much tho >_> I'm a C++ / Java guy
Jun 06 09:51:25 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 09:51:27 <lcuk> the cpu
Jun 06 09:51:47 <rm_you> char* / sprintf / strncpy is ANNOYING to deal with
Jun 06 09:51:55 <rm_you> when i just want to have a simple string
Jun 06 09:52:03 <rm_you> especially variable length
Jun 06 09:52:26 <rm_you> right now I'm wasting resources making them bigger than they need to be by quite a bit to avoid overflows
Jun 06 09:53:02 <lcuk> strndup will copy an arbitary length string (free with free)
Jun 06 09:53:03 <rm_you> I also really need to get this stuff split up into multiple files... this one huge file is becoming very cluttered
Jun 06 09:53:10 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 09:53:12 <lcuk> or just malloc what you need
Jun 06 09:53:21 <rm_you> yeah... about that
Jun 06 09:53:33 <rm_you> well, i use calloc generally... no real difference, right?
Jun 06 09:54:09 <lcuk> apart from speed, if you are going to init it yourself whats the point in wasting time running { malloc(); clear() }...
Jun 06 09:54:37 <lardman> ~lart dsp polling
Jun 06 09:54:38 * infobot blasts dsp polling to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
Jun 06 09:55:20 <rm_you> not gonna...
Jun 06 09:55:30 <rm_you> like right now, i need to read all the files in a directory
Jun 06 09:55:41 <lcuk> if you're not gonna init it yourself, why are you allocating?
Jun 06 09:55:43 <rm_you> and do a bunch of string ops on the filenames
Jun 06 09:55:51 <rm_you> erm
Jun 06 09:55:54 <lcuk> lol heh...
Jun 06 09:57:41 * rm_you just hates C strings
Jun 06 09:57:44 <lardman> cu chaps later on
Jun 06 09:57:48 <lcuk> string parsing and pattern matching can be done numerous ways, if you can get away with a scanf great, if not, a simple regex might work well for you, failing that you could create a mini parser, or even define a complete grammar for them, the point is you can certainly find what you need and not be limited to just whats supplied - theres plenty of things around - general c code libraries do exist and most are platform independent so
Jun 06 09:57:48 <lcuk>  dont just look for maemo libs
Jun 06 09:58:06 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 09:58:23 <rm_you> thats why i said i needed to look for a decent string library :P
Jun 06 09:58:29 <lcuk> :D
Jun 06 09:58:49 <rm_you> ... and we're back around to the beginning of the conversation
Jun 06 09:58:51 <lcuk> i had similar issues, both with filenames and contents
Jun 06 09:58:54 <rm_you> \so anyway... know any good ones
Jun 06 09:58:55 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 09:58:58 <lcuk> that is life
Jun 06 09:59:16 <rm_you> I could do regexp i suppose...
Jun 06 09:59:19 * rm_you knows regexp! :P
Jun 06 09:59:41 <lcuk> i just split my filenames at  arbitary seperators and make sure each span is in the right format
Jun 06 10:00:14 <rm_you> http://xkcd.com/208/   <--- :P
Jun 06 10:01:26 <rm_you> damn, when does X-Fade get on
Jun 06 10:01:33 <lcuk> must dash as well, rm good luck with your search
Jun 06 10:01:34 <lcuk> dunno
Jun 06 10:01:38 <rm_you> or someone who can help me with extras stuff
Jun 06 10:01:39 <lcuk> cya later
Jun 06 10:01:43 <rm_you> ok, l8r
Jun 06 10:01:59 <rm_you> anyone from nokia on that can help me with extras upload stuff?
Jun 06 10:02:24 <trickie|work> rm_you: he just replied on maemo-dev, X-Fade that is
Jun 06 10:02:37 <rm_you> i think i may have put my rsa key in the wrong format or something because i get permission denied trying to upload :/
Jun 06 10:05:19 <RST38h> MOO?
Jun 06 10:05:32 <rm_you> ack split
Jun 06 10:15:57 <X-Fade> rm_you: Poke, pong, poke again..
Jun 06 10:16:03 <rm_you> HA!
Jun 06 10:16:08 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 10:16:14 <RST38h> X-Fade: Try fms.komkon.org/Maemo again
Jun 06 10:16:21 <RST38h> See if it is any better =)
Jun 06 10:16:25 <rm_you> X-Fade: I was told you could help me with extras stuff?
Jun 06 10:17:08 <X-Fade> rm_you: Yeah, let me read the backscroll.
Jun 06 10:17:13 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 10:17:23 <rm_you> well, here's the problem:
Jun 06 10:18:07 <rm_you> http://pastebin.ca/1040272
Jun 06 10:18:57 <X-Fade> rm_you: Your problem is that you have a compromised key ;)
Jun 06 10:19:03 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 10:19:11 <X-Fade> You suffer from the Debian security issue.
Jun 06 10:19:17 <rm_you> didnt think that affected my distro
Jun 06 10:19:21 <rm_you> i'll fix it
Jun 06 10:19:57 <X-Fade> So update your openssl, openssh and regenerate your key.
Jun 06 10:20:10 <X-Fade> I will send you a new invite, so you can replace your key.
Jun 06 10:20:14 <rm_you> k
Jun 06 10:20:18 <rm_you> regenerating
Jun 06 10:21:14 <X-Fade> Invitation is sent.
Jun 06 10:23:45 <rm_you> do i have to wait for anything to propogate?
Jun 06 10:23:48 <rm_you> or can i try immediately
Jun 06 10:25:13 <X-Fade> You have to wait for a little while. The key gets exported from the db via a cron job.
Jun 06 10:25:21 <rm_you> heh k
Jun 06 10:25:42 <rm_you> and then someone reviews my package submission manually?
Jun 06 10:25:43 <X-Fade> Ok, your key is updated now and it is not blacklisted.
Jun 06 10:26:04 <rm_you> so it should work now?
Jun 06 10:26:09 <X-Fade> No, you can just upload it now.
Jun 06 10:26:33 <rm_you> hrm, do i have to fix anything else on my system?
Jun 06 10:26:37 <rm_you> it's still having issues
Jun 06 10:27:17 <X-Fade> Can you do an upload now?
Jun 06 10:27:24 <X-Fade> So I can watch the log.
Jun 06 10:27:39 <trickie|work> i did my vim write-quit in irc again
Jun 06 10:27:43 <trickie|work> dammit
Jun 06 10:28:03 <rm_you> tried one
Jun 06 10:28:21 <rm_you> and again
Jun 06 10:28:26 <rm_you> that good?
Jun 06 10:29:36 <X-Fade> I don't see anything from you.
Jun 06 10:30:00 <rm_you> still getting permission denied
Jun 06 10:30:16 <mgedmin> trickie|work: pressed Ctrl-W?
Jun 06 10:31:48 <trickie|work> mgedmin: its a replacement i have when i 'escape :wq' in irc windows
Jun 06 10:32:16 <trickie|work> mgedmin: meant to make my co-workers laugh
Jun 06 10:32:17 <trickie|work> :)
Jun 06 10:33:06 <rm_you> i hit esc :wq in notepad a lot <_<
Jun 06 10:33:09 <rm_you> and Word
Jun 06 10:33:13 <rm_you> and VB6
Jun 06 10:33:20 <rm_you> and real life <_<
Jun 06 10:33:28 <X-Fade> rm_you: Can you try again?
Jun 06 10:33:35 <hrw> I used gvim with BC++
Jun 06 10:33:42 <rm_you> X-Fade: tried twice more
Jun 06 10:34:02 <X-Fade> I don't see any connections from you.
Jun 06 10:34:44 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 10:34:55 <rm_you> want me to put it on loop? :P
Jun 06 10:35:33 <X-Fade> rm_you: Can you try again? ;)
Jun 06 10:36:54 <rm_you> there its on loop
Jun 06 10:37:01 <rm_you> while true; do
Jun 06 10:37:01 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 10:37:19 <X-Fade> I see your ip. Ends on 224.
Jun 06 10:37:30 <mgedmin> rm_you: what are you trying?
Jun 06 10:37:43 <rm_you> uploading to extras
Jun 06 10:37:47 <X-Fade> rm_you: Do you have pubkey auth enabled?
Jun 06 10:37:49 <mgedmin> dput?
Jun 06 10:38:08 <mgedmin> if you run ssh garage.maemo.org, what do you see?
Jun 06 10:38:35 <mgedmin> you should get a message that this is a restricted account and that you cannot execute anything there
Jun 06 10:39:02 <rm_you> Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
Jun 06 10:39:03 <rm_you> :(
Jun 06 10:39:12 <X-Fade> rm_you: Invalid user aharwell
Jun 06 10:39:23 <mgedmin> username mismatch!
Jun 06 10:39:46 <rm_you> GAH
Jun 06 10:39:53 <rm_you> right
Jun 06 10:40:01 <X-Fade> And invalid user hrw too ;)
Jun 06 10:40:13 <rm_you> This is a restricted account.
Jun 06 10:40:17 <X-Fade>  Accepted publickey for rm_you from 131.
Jun 06 10:40:18 <rm_you> k
Jun 06 10:40:24 <rm_you> so
Jun 06 10:40:26 <rm_you> why doesnt dput work
Jun 06 10:40:40 <rm_you> dput still permission denied
Jun 06 10:40:50 <mgedmin> are you sure that's not the same problem?
Jun 06 10:40:56 <mgedmin> is dput using the right username?
Jun 06 10:41:04 <rm_you> errr
Jun 06 10:41:05 <X-Fade> Did you specify a username for dput?
Jun 06 10:41:05 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 10:41:06 <rm_you> but
Jun 06 10:41:12 <rm_you> i think its going to the wrong server
Jun 06 10:41:14 <rm_you> or rather
Jun 06 10:41:26 <mgedmin> trying to upload to debian instead of maemo? ;-)
Jun 06 10:41:26 <hrw> X-Fade: just had to check ;d
Jun 06 10:41:27 <rm_you> the scp line just has "rm_you@garage:/"
Jun 06 10:41:38 <rm_you> it does have the full host
Jun 06 10:41:46 <rm_you> s/does/doesn't/
Jun 06 10:41:46 <infobot> rm_you meant: it doesn't have the full host
Jun 06 10:42:00 <X-Fade> run it with verbose?
Jun 06 10:42:00 <mgedmin> .ssh/config allows you to use shortcuts
Jun 06 10:42:08 <mgedmin> like described in http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html
Jun 06 10:42:24 <rm_you> there
Jun 06 10:42:30 <rm_you> got it
Jun 06 10:42:40 <rm_you> the code i copy/pasted into my dput.conf was wrong
Jun 06 10:42:47 <rm_you> it just had "garage" as the fqdn
Jun 06 10:42:54 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 10:43:01 <hrw> time to run own repo :D
Jun 06 10:43:01 <mgedmin> heh
Jun 06 10:43:08 <hrw> e2fsprogs is n/a for os2008
Jun 06 10:43:17 <mgedmin> but still... permission denied instead of cannot resolve hostname?  weird
Jun 06 10:43:35 <X-Fade> rm_you: If you use the assistant, then you don't have to worry about this complicated ssh thingie ;)
Jun 06 10:43:45 <mgedmin> X-Fade: the assistant is pretty!
Jun 06 10:44:01 * mgedmin wishes he had something ready to upload
Jun 06 10:44:08 <rm_you> which assistant?
Jun 06 10:44:11 <X-Fade> mgedmin: Well, that was the last thing I was aiming for ;)
Jun 06 10:44:11 <rm_you> didn't see anything about that
Jun 06 10:44:20 <mgedmin> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
Jun 06 10:44:55 <X-Fade> But the assistant uploads to the autobuilder and not directly to the repo.
Jun 06 10:45:18 <andre___> hmm, so it seems the source code of mnotify is not available? (man, we really need a list of that)
Jun 06 10:45:19 <Italodance> hi guys
Jun 06 10:45:22 <mgedmin> that's good, I think
Jun 06 10:45:29 <mgedmin> makes sure your source package works
Jun 06 10:46:01 <X-Fade> Yeah, and it uploads to extras-devel. So you have to promote your own package to extras atm.
Jun 06 10:46:13 <rm_you> so, is my package installable via extras now?
Jun 06 10:46:17 <rm_you> or do i have to wait more
Jun 06 10:46:42 <X-Fade> rm_you: The queuerunner runs a few times an hour. So it takes a little bit of time.
Jun 06 10:46:47 <rm_you> k
Jun 06 10:47:23 <X-Fade> rm_you: What app did you upload?
Jun 06 10:47:49 <rm_you> advanced-backlight
Jun 06 10:48:37 <X-Fade> rm_you: It is already in extras.
Jun 06 10:48:44 <rm_you> sweet.
Jun 06 10:48:54 <rm_you> that was quick
Jun 06 10:49:27 <X-Fade> But you have to wait for the caching network to catch up ;)
Jun 06 10:49:33 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 10:49:39 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 10:49:47 <rm_you> hope to debut 0.9 in there tomorrow
Jun 06 10:50:06 <X-Fade> Filename: pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.8-1_armel.deb
Jun 06 10:50:07 <hrw> guys: if I would prepare debian srcpackage - can someone try to build it?
Jun 06 10:50:23 <X-Fade> hrw: Just upload them to the autobuilder?
Jun 06 10:50:31 <rm_you> and if someone can sneak me some info about the nokia display statusbar applet... *hint hint*
Jun 06 10:50:54 <hrw> X-Fade: I do not have idea will it be proper at all
Jun 06 10:51:06 <mgedmin> rm_you: it has a picture of a sun, but don't tell anyone!
Jun 06 10:51:19 <mgedmin> hrw: sure
Jun 06 10:51:26 <X-Fade> hrw: Doesn't matter. It will end up in -devel only if it builds ;)
Jun 06 10:51:40 <hrw> ;D
Jun 06 10:51:54 <X-Fade> hrw: And extras-devel is for experimental packages, so no problem.
Jun 06 10:51:55 <hrw> it is part of our LT evil plan
Jun 06 10:53:46 <X-Fade> hrw: Use the assistant to request rights and upload the source package. See if that works for you.
Jun 06 10:54:10 <rm_you> damn, quim rejected my bug / request for the display applet source :(
Jun 06 10:54:33 <rm_you> so 6 more months of suffering are in my future
Jun 06 10:54:50 <rm_you> until fremantle, after which i get to suffer for another inordinate amount of time
Jun 06 10:57:49 <Italodance> rm_you
Jun 06 10:59:33 <rm_you> yo
Jun 06 11:00:41 <Italodance> rm_you did u installed xmms?
Jun 06 11:00:58 <rm_you> at one point
Jun 06 11:01:04 <rm_you> havent since my last flash tho
Jun 06 11:01:35 <Italodance> oh
Jun 06 11:05:09 <hrw> someone has e2fsprogs for maemo/os2008?
Jun 06 11:12:18 <mrglinux> hasn't made n8XX in Korea too ?
Jun 06 11:36:44 <rm_you> who here uses Advanced Backlight?
Jun 06 11:39:02 <luogni> rm_you, i use it!
Jun 06 11:39:23 <hrw> someone want e2fsprogs?
Jun 06 11:39:38 <rm_you> luogni: you use n810 or n800?
Jun 06 11:39:47 <luogni> rm_you, N800 os2008
Jun 06 11:40:46 <luogni> hrw, isn't e2fsprogs already in maemo repository ?
Jun 06 11:41:13 <rm_you> luogni: so, the new backlight applet has the ability to turn the backlight completely off
Jun 06 11:41:19 <X-Fade> The SDK repo, but not extras.
Jun 06 11:41:22 <hrw> luogni: my n810 does not see it
Jun 06 11:41:23 <rm_you> luogni: which on the n800 makes it impossible to see the screen
Jun 06 11:41:37 <rm_you> luogni: now, by default it will NOT let n800 users do this
Jun 06 11:41:47 <lcuk> not impossible to see the screen, it just makes it like pin the tail on the donkey
Jun 06 11:41:49 * unixSnob also uses adv-backlight on an n800
Jun 06 11:41:50 <rm_you> luogni: but in the settings menu there is a checkbox that will lets you do that
Jun 06 11:41:52 <luogni> hrw, right, it's not in extras, only in SDK
Jun 06 11:42:08 <rm_you> lcuk: n800 isn't transflective or whatever... >_>
Jun 06 11:42:34 <rm_you> luogni / unixSnob: so, what would you think the checkbox should say?
Jun 06 11:42:45 <lcuk> and the blindfold i wear when pinning the tail isnt lace or anything...
Jun 06 11:42:51 <rm_you> right now the text on the checkbox is: "Allow Zero Backlight (n800 users beware!)"
Jun 06 11:43:01 <unixSnob> I must have a slightly older version.. I don't think I have that option
Jun 06 11:43:04 <rm_you> GA didn't like that text <_<
Jun 06 11:43:11 <rm_you> unixSnob: this is the 0.9 beta
Jun 06 11:43:15 <rm_you> just about to release it
Jun 06 11:43:18 <luogni> rm_you, why would someone set zero backlight? is it useful?
Jun 06 11:43:22 <rm_you> on n810 yes
Jun 06 11:43:24 <lcuk> cant you identify machine type and just allow or disallow depending upon model
Jun 06 11:43:26 <rm_you> on n800 i dunno
Jun 06 11:43:31 <rm_you> lcuk: yes, that was the old behavior
Jun 06 11:43:38 <rm_you> by popular vote i am allowing the OPTION
Jun 06 11:43:45 <luogni> rm_you, just disable it on n800 :)
Jun 06 11:43:48 <rm_you> i did
Jun 06 11:43:55 <lcuk> but the option itself shouldnt even be visible for 800 owners surely?
Jun 06 11:43:57 <rm_you> but people wanted the OPTION available in case
Jun 06 11:44:21 <unixSnob> what is zero backlight?  Is it reduced less than one, or is it off?
Jun 06 11:44:23 <rm_you> no, n800 users specifically requested the option to let it do that
Jun 06 11:44:25 <lcuk> mind you with 0 level backlight it sorta cures itself :)
Jun 06 11:44:26 <rm_you> off
Jun 06 11:44:34 <hrw> ~curse nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox
Jun 06 11:44:36 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox !
Jun 06 11:44:45 <hrw> ~curse nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox again until he learn
Jun 06 11:44:46 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia guy who 'maintain' busybox again until he learn !
Jun 06 11:45:09 <rm_you> right so the default behavior in the past was always: n810: allow backlight off, n800: allowbacklight to go to minimum but not off
Jun 06 11:45:25 <rm_you> so now there is an option in the new settings menu
Jun 06 11:45:40 <rm_you> to allow n800 users to let it turn off their backlight
Jun 06 11:45:54 <rm_you> what do you think the checkbox text should be?
Jun 06 11:45:59 <lcuk> but can me as an 810 owner prevent all off - we arent always in the sun :)
Jun 06 11:46:06 <rm_you> lcuk: yes
Jun 06 11:46:12 <rm_you> n810 users can uncheck it
Jun 06 11:46:15 <luogni> rm_you, oh ok! maybe just add a check like "Allow Zero Backlight" and when you press OK (or check the checkbox) show a msgbox to n800 users "Are you really sure you want to enable it?"
Jun 06 11:46:21 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 11:46:26 <rm_you> i thought about that
Jun 06 11:46:28 <unixSnob> rm_you: I think it's well written as it is, if there really is reason for caution
Jun 06 11:46:52 <unixSnob> What's the risk to n800 users?
Jun 06 11:46:55 <rm_you> will release a beta in a sec and you'll see
Jun 06 11:47:09 <rm_you> well, its hard to turn it back on if you cant see the screen to open the menu and poke the slider :P
Jun 06 11:47:11 <lcuk> "You have disabled the backlight, please press [here] to cancel this operation and restore your backlight" ;)
Jun 06 11:47:27 <unixSnob> If there is a separate popup warning, it should also state the risk
Jun 06 11:47:35 <rm_you> yeah maybe I will do that
Jun 06 11:48:32 <lcuk> actually, the (yuck) windows display settings have it right "you have changed your settings, click ok to confirm they are good"  with a 10 second countdown which restores things if you dont click
Jun 06 11:49:05 <luogni> lcuk, well it's quite different. i don't want a popup every time i change brightness :)
Jun 06 11:49:07 <lcuk> but all this is way OTT for a little app ;)  UI designers really are busy people
Jun 06 11:49:30 <lcuk> no you dont luo, but if you mouseup after turning it totally off its a bit different
Jun 06 11:50:51 * unixSnob wonders why n810 users are relieved from the zero backlight problem
Jun 06 11:54:32 <lcuk> cos the screen has little holes to allow light to filter behind and data is somewhere visible in bright sunlight with the light totally off
Jun 06 11:54:55 <lcuk> i can see a matrix of dots (about every 4-8pixels) when i look closely in sun
Jun 06 11:55:46 <unixSnob> ah.. so n810 users are a little hindered.. you must have bright light to get to it, it sounds
Jun 06 11:56:38 <unixSnob> Well the app could simply bump the value up to 1 if there is any interaction.. that would be the way to fix it
Jun 06 11:56:44 <lcuk> yer, but i suppose its better than not visible at all
Jun 06 11:57:09 <unixSnob> rm_you: is that complicated to implement?
Jun 06 11:58:00 * unixSnob suspects it would be easy to act on any action... doesn't the IM apps have the same feature, so an offline user can have their status set to online when they access the device?
Jun 06 11:58:34 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 11:58:35 <rm_you> possibly
Jun 06 11:58:47 <rm_you> but then there wouldnt really be a point of turning it off
Jun 06 11:58:59 <rm_you> because people who REALLY want it off, REALLY want it off
Jun 06 11:59:21 <unixSnob> rm_you: i thought the point in turning it off was to pre-empt the timeout.. for battery savings
Jun 06 11:59:30 <rm_you> erm
Jun 06 11:59:38 <rm_you> i cant speculate as to why people want what people want
Jun 06 11:59:57 <rm_you> i just know how frustrated I get when the application thinks it is smarter than me and knows what i want better than i do
Jun 06 12:00:02 <rm_you> which it doesn't.
Jun 06 12:00:21 <rm_you> i try to reflect that in my programming
Jun 06 12:00:35 <rm_you> the application should not try to outthink the user.
Jun 06 12:00:44 <unixSnob> rm_you: then the answer would be to change the value from zero to 1 after a specified action that could not happen accidentally.. like pressing up then down, for example
Jun 06 12:00:53 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 12:00:57 <rm_you> possibly
Jun 06 12:01:01 <rm_you> actually...
Jun 06 12:01:48 <mgedmin> oh, joy, darius sent another mail to the list
Jun 06 12:02:04 <jesh> hello
Jun 06 12:02:24 <unixSnob> One thing that bothers me about turning the backlight on is that there is no neutral action to get it on
Jun 06 12:02:25 <jesh> does anyone happen to know where g_warnings go on scratchbox? :)
Jun 06 12:02:36 <X-Fade> mgedmin: Yeah, another classic :)
Jun 06 12:02:41 <jesh> shoud i set some enviroment variable to see them?
Jun 06 12:03:04 <RST38h> mgedmin,unixSnob,rm_you: fms.komkon.org/Maemo
Jun 06 12:03:06 <mgedmin> lcuk: level 0 backlight on a n800 -- do the usual trick "press the ok button or I'm reverting the option back in 30 seconds... 29 seconds... 28..."
Jun 06 12:03:10 <unixSnob> Eg. I'm on a webpage and screen blackens.  I hit UP, and it moves to another field
Jun 06 12:03:12 <RST38h> [lcuk too]
Jun 06 12:03:15 <mgedmin> with a random position for the dialog so the user can't cheat :-)
Jun 06 12:03:54 <mgedmin> oh, it's already been suggested
Jun 06 12:03:58 * mgedmin reads the backlog
Jun 06 12:04:56 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 12:04:56 <rm_you> well
Jun 06 12:05:06 <rm_you> i don't know if it's immediately obvious what i'm talking about...
Jun 06 12:05:08 <mgedmin> RST38h: why *two* blank choices in the first dropdown?
Jun 06 12:05:24 <rm_you> because that kind of dialog every time the user switches to zero backlight would be annoying
Jun 06 12:05:26 <lcuk> hi mg :)
Jun 06 12:05:26 <mgedmin> every dropdown, looks like
Jun 06 12:05:41 <mgedmin> xchat is not found in any repo :/
Jun 06 12:05:52 <mgedmin> vim is not found in any repo
Jun 06 12:05:59 <rm_you> what is this?
Jun 06 12:06:10 <lcuk> cos its only a beta isnt it, though lots use it - contact the owner of the site and see if he minds?
Jun 06 12:06:32 <unixSnob> rm_you: give the user an option to disable the dialog :)
Jun 06 12:06:36 <mgedmin> okay, is there any package that can be found?
Jun 06 12:06:36 <rm_you> rofl
Jun 06 12:06:42 <rm_you> this is getting ridiculous
Jun 06 12:06:47 <rm_you> its fine like it is
Jun 06 12:06:52 <lcuk> mgedmin, yer theres a deb somewhere
Jun 06 12:06:55 <RST38h> mgedmin: technical thing
Jun 06 12:06:56 <rm_you> i was really just asking for suggestions for the text :P
Jun 06 12:06:59 <unixSnob> rm_you: yes i agree
Jun 06 12:07:27 <RST38h> mgedmin: they are probably in some repos not included into the list yet
Jun 06 12:07:32 <lcuk> rm_you, could you add an option to allow me to make the option visible to decide if i want to have the option to make all the options go away?
Jun 06 12:07:48 <rm_you> lcuk: no :P
Jun 06 12:07:53 <unixSnob> But a feature to go from 0 to 1 would be useful
Jun 06 12:08:37 <lcuk> rm_you, ok then, ill look at this from the other side: can we overclock the backlight - i wanna go to 11 and get a tan whilst using my 810
Jun 06 12:09:02 <unixSnob> You know what bugs me is when I'm typing w/ a USB keyboard, the screen goes dim, and off.. it doesn't know I'm using the damn thing
Jun 06 12:09:07 <lcuk> mgedmin, i finally created a youtube vid of my program by the way, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI
Jun 06 12:09:45 <lcuk> unixSnob, bug report - there may still be time to get it fixed whilst this push is underway?  or it might have already been noticed and cured
Jun 06 12:09:49 <Tu13es> hm, anyone here tried grumby?
Jun 06 12:10:00 <unixSnob> rm_you: Also, give us partial steps.  See if you can modify the display driver to use a floating point number for brightness instead
Jun 06 12:10:07 <lcuk> anyway, afternoon of work awaits, back later
Jun 06 12:10:24 <unixSnob> lcuk: I'll look into it
Jun 06 12:10:30 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 12:10:39 <rm_you> lcuk: give me the source for your app :P
Jun 06 12:13:18 <mgedmin> "Maemo is to much about poetry" -- pure gold
Jun 06 12:13:37 <hrw> does someone edited fanoush initfs menu to react on other key then menu? home/back for example
Jun 06 12:13:49 <Ave> put that in your pipe and smoke it
Jun 06 12:13:52 <Ave> poetry?
Jun 06 12:14:59 <rm_you> sweet
Jun 06 12:15:01 <rm_you> patch applied
Jun 06 12:15:14 <hrw> RST38h: 1. sort sections 2. give names for repositories 3. remove empty lines from both lists
Jun 06 12:16:30 <hrw> RST38h: group packages by name
Jun 06 12:16:52 <RST38h> hrw: 1. in a moment 2. not possible, names are pretty unreadable in the metadata
Jun 06 12:17:10 <RST38h> hrw: 3. ? 4. packages already grouped and sorted by name
Jun 06 12:18:07 <trickie|work> mgedmin: thats def one of his best posts!
Jun 06 12:18:10 <hrw> 5. check does user selected something...
Jun 06 12:18:16 <trickie|work> mgedmin: pure entertainment
Jun 06 12:18:26 <hrw> 6. remove size:0 installed:0 name:"" packages
Jun 06 12:18:40 <mgedmin> I liked the one-man think-tank best
Jun 06 12:18:54 <trickie|work> yes that was also awesome
Jun 06 12:19:14 <hrw> RST38h: by grouping I mean: "canola2 | description | list of versions with links to install"
Jun 06 12:19:27 <RST38h> ah
Jun 06 12:19:43 <RST38h> #3 will require some thinking
Jun 06 12:19:50 <RST38h> #6 is a bug
Jun 06 12:20:01 <RST38h> #5 - you want to require a query string?
Jun 06 12:20:22 <RST38h> an empty query string means "return all"
Jun 06 12:20:29 <hrw> RST38h: your machine is ready for pushing me whole database each time when I press 'search'?
Jun 06 12:22:25 <mgedmin> lcuk: sweet movie!
Jun 06 12:22:52 <hrw> RST38h: empty lines are<SELECT NAME="Section">
Jun 06 12:22:52 <hrw> <OPTION SELECTED VALUE=""><OPTION VALUE="">
Jun 06 12:22:52 <hrw> <OPTION VALUE="">
Jun 06 12:22:52 <hrw> <OPTION VALUE="""devel">""devel
Jun 06 12:23:06 <RST38h> hrw: right now, yes
Jun 06 12:23:15 <hrw> 3 empty before ""devel (which should be filtered as devel)
Jun 06 12:23:27 <RST38h> hrw: well, this is what the server returned me
Jun 06 12:23:42 <hrw> RST38h: never trust data
Jun 06 12:24:29 <RST38h> will probably restrict it to alphanumerics and /
Jun 06 12:28:06 <Schubidu> Hi
Jun 06 12:31:27 <Schubidu> how far is diablo from been finished ?
Jun 06 12:31:54 <Schubidu> or does it make sense to install it already ?
Jun 06 12:42:02 <rm_you> jesus....
Jun 06 12:42:08 <Stskeeps> yes, my son?
Jun 06 12:42:08 <rm_you> I have no idea how to do this...
Jun 06 12:42:17 <rm_you> have to use a char**
Jun 06 12:42:19 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 12:42:36 <mgedmin> have fun writing c code :-)
Jun 06 12:42:37 <Stskeeps> it's an array of char pointers, how bad can it be? :P
Jun 06 12:42:40 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 12:42:48 <rm_you> i hate C Strings
Jun 06 12:42:58 <mgedmin> be happy it's not an array of functions taking an array of char pointers
Jun 06 12:43:00 <Stskeeps> code in python
Jun 06 12:43:00 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 06 12:43:03 <Khertan> Hi !
Jun 06 12:43:16 <rm_you> time to figure out how to dynamically make an array of strings
Jun 06 12:43:21 <Schubidu> perl !!
Jun 06 12:43:25 <Khertan> python
Jun 06 12:43:26 <rm_you> C >_>
Jun 06 12:43:31 <Khertan> goto++
Jun 06 12:43:32 * rm_you is stuck in C
Jun 06 12:43:32 <Khertan>  !!!
Jun 06 12:44:13 <Schubidu> i just barly remeber my last time i coded in C
Jun 06 12:44:21 <Schubidu> must be on an sun 20
Jun 06 12:44:22 <rm_you> i seriously dont even know how to start... i guess i'll find out what the function i'm running returns... it should be an array of char* already i think
Jun 06 12:45:18 <summatusmentis> rm_you: fwiw, that's pretty standard practice in the kernel >_>
Jun 06 12:45:22 <lcuk> most functions in c expect you to pass the address of the result buffer as a parameter, its rare for the function to allocate memory itself
Jun 06 12:45:58 <rm_you> well i have to create my own since i need to prune the list it gives me
Jun 06 12:46:07 <rm_you> unless i can just prune the array it gives me... <_<
Jun 06 12:46:30 <lcuk> this is still file list isnt it
Jun 06 12:46:35 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 12:46:53 <rm_you> need to get a sorted list of all directories in a directory
Jun 06 12:47:17 <lcuk> cos in my code the dir functions work on a single item, and i just call it multiple times until it says no more files
Jun 06 12:47:31 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 12:47:34 <lcuk> i build a linked list of the results if they matched what i want
Jun 06 12:47:38 <rm_you> you happen to have C code to do that? :P
Jun 06 12:47:53 <lcuk> yes and no...
Jun 06 12:47:59 <rm_you> and then once i have them i need to pass them to another function that will run through them in a loop
Jun 06 12:48:34 <lcuk> ive got the code here with me at work on my 810 (i compile on device) but i havent got any way to get it out until i get home (no wireless/usb/bt/anything)
Jun 06 12:48:45 <lcuk> lemme see if an older version is around
Jun 06 12:49:06 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 06 12:49:12 <rm_you> meanwhile, i am looking up how to do it
Jun 06 12:49:13 <RST38h> hrw: Check - bad section names should be gone now
Jun 06 12:49:26 <RST38h> hrw: and the problem with extra line in combos should be gone as well
Jun 06 12:49:51 <rm_you> i guess with something like this: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Simple-Directory-Lister.html
Jun 06 12:52:25 <hrw> RST38h: why it show 'cpio' when I search for tar?
Jun 06 12:53:50 <rm_you> cpio is used to extract rpm files?
Jun 06 12:54:01 <rm_you> similar to tar extracting... tar files? >_>
Jun 06 12:54:07 <rm_you> dunno <_<
Jun 06 12:55:29 <rm_you> so, if I have a string...
Jun 06 12:55:36 <rm_you> how would i add it to a char**
Jun 06 12:59:54 <Stskeeps> char *foo[] = { "foo" }; could work i guess
Jun 06 13:00:36 <RST38h> hrw: means that tar occurs either in the package name or in its description
Jun 06 13:01:15 <RST38h> GNU cpio is a tool for creating and extracting archives, or copying files from one place to another. It handles a number of cpio formats as well as reading and writing tar files.
Jun 06 13:01:21 <RST38h> notice the mention of tar
Jun 06 13:02:37 <rm_you> I miss Java and Python sooo much >_>
Jun 06 13:02:39 <rm_you> even C++
Jun 06 13:02:40 <hrw> RST38h: but this part is not shown
Jun 06 13:03:08 <RST38h> hrw: click on the package entry
Jun 06 13:03:44 <Schubidu> bye for now
Jun 06 13:04:51 <hrw> RST38h: sorry but it is very non-intuitive
Jun 06 13:07:59 <RST38h> hrw: Just a short while ago, GAN and a few other people ASKED me to make it foldable
Jun 06 13:08:51 <hrw> with title without any mark of being clickable?
Jun 06 13:09:04 <hrw> RST38h: did you checked OE feed browser?
Jun 06 13:09:12 <RST38h> yea
Jun 06 13:09:33 <RST38h> hrw: Well, I can't put a "click me" message on every line
Jun 06 13:09:37 <RST38h> will look ugly
Jun 06 13:10:08 <hrw> at least change cursor to 'hand' on them
Jun 06 13:12:08 <rm_you> RST38h: what am i doing wrong... i select os2008 and type in a package name and click search, and it never finds anything
Jun 06 13:12:45 <RST38h> rm_you: do not select OS2008, leave that field empty for now
Jun 06 13:12:54 <RST38h> hrw: Do you have code to do that?
Jun 06 13:12:59 <rm_you> ah ok
Jun 06 13:13:01 <rm_you> neat
Jun 06 13:13:29 <rm_you> http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=backlight&Section=&Repo=0
Jun 06 13:13:29 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 13:13:45 <rm_you> ah yeah you need like... a little sideways arrow
Jun 06 13:13:49 <rm_you> to indicate that you can click
Jun 06 13:14:03 <rm_you> and make the text look like a link sorta... maybe just underlined and blue
Jun 06 13:14:03 <RST38h> checking how it can be done...
Jun 06 13:14:05 <rm_you> or SOMETHING
Jun 06 13:14:09 <rm_you> want the css for it?
Jun 06 13:14:24 <RST38h> found it
Jun 06 13:14:36 <RST38h> what is the mouse-over event name in html?
Jun 06 13:14:50 <rm_you> javascript?
Jun 06 13:15:55 <RST38h> There is ONCLICK for clicks, what is the name for mouse-over?
Jun 06 13:16:11 <rm_you> javascript?
Jun 06 13:16:30 <RST38h> ONMOUSEOVER!
Jun 06 13:16:51 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 13:16:58 * rm_you was waiting for confirmation
Jun 06 13:17:39 <rm_you> tho that will not be useful on tablets...
Jun 06 13:17:45 <rm_you> they can't mouseover <_<
Jun 06 13:17:59 <rm_you> so i would try not to use that for anything
Jun 06 13:19:08 <rm_you> damn this should be easy i just don't know C at all
Jun 06 13:19:22 <rm_you> in java this would have been done 4 months ago
Jun 06 13:19:22 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 13:20:02 <pupnik> what are you doing rm_you ?
Jun 06 13:20:54 <rm_you> end goal: look in one specific directory, and put the names of every directory inside that one (not recursive, very simple) into an array of char*
Jun 06 13:21:17 <rm_you> if I use dirent and opendir and readdir
Jun 06 13:21:26 <rm_you> i can go through the files one at a time
Jun 06 13:21:35 <rm_you> and i can use the properties to find out if it is a directory or not
Jun 06 13:21:51 <rm_you> i just don't know how to put the name in a char* and then add that to a char**
Jun 06 13:22:52 <rm_you> http://pastebin.ca/1040370
Jun 06 13:22:59 <lcuk> rm, sorry it took too long, boss wanted a discussion, http://pastebin.ca/1040369
Jun 06 13:23:15 <rm_you> that's what i have... basically the example from some site, in my little function
Jun 06 13:23:17 <rm_you> lcuk: oo
Jun 06 13:23:30 <rm_you> lol i pasted 1 after you :P
Jun 06 13:23:39 <RST38h> rm_dir: resize thing done
Jun 06 13:23:54 <rm_you> lol?
Jun 06 13:23:55 <rm_you> rm_dir?
Jun 06 13:23:57 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 13:24:16 <rm_you> wow, that's WEIRD
Jun 06 13:24:20 <rm_you> put it back >_<
Jun 06 13:24:34 <rm_you> just make the text underline and turn blue like any sane link
Jun 06 13:25:42 <lcuk> and somewhere deep within ive got identification code to tell me if its a folder or not, i personally think its one of the attribs on the dir_entry_p structure, but dont quote me on that
Jun 06 13:25:50 <rm_you> it is
Jun 06 13:25:53 <rm_you> i know how to do that
Jun 06 13:27:12 <rm_you> wow, not quite sure what you're doing there
Jun 06 13:27:21 <lcuk> good, if you are dead set on building an array of string names, run through the directory list TWICE, or use recursion.  when you have run through it once you will know EXACTLY how many elements you need to allocate for your array :)
Jun 06 13:27:25 <rm_you> you've got... pagefiles? and some other stuff
Jun 06 13:27:36 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 13:27:40 <rm_you> oh yea
Jun 06 13:27:43 <rm_you> i could do that :P
Jun 06 13:27:53 <rm_you> thanks :P
Jun 06 13:28:06 <lcuk> yer, its loading all valid pages (sketches drawn) and putting them into the frameroot grouping (linked tree structure)
Jun 06 13:31:00 <lcuk> char *themenames[256];  int used=0;       while ((de = readdir(d)) != NULL)  themenames[used++] = strdup(de->d_name);                     free all names [0..used-1]
Jun 06 13:31:23 <RST38h> rm_you: look, I am tired of this
Jun 06 13:31:24 <rm_you> so wait... if i have an uninitialized char* and I want to put a dir->d_name in it...
Jun 06 13:31:25 <lcuk> and also check that used<256
Jun 06 13:31:30 <rm_you> RST38h: lol
Jun 06 13:31:36 <RST38h> rm_you: there is absolutely no way to satisfy everybody
Jun 06 13:31:44 <rm_you> RST38h: just sayin :P
Jun 06 13:31:49 <lcuk> of course there is
Jun 06 13:32:04 <RST38h> I will highlight the thing, but next time I am asked about changing it - the answer will be "no"
Jun 06 13:32:12 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 13:32:28 <rm_you> just saying, the majority of users of this will be ON tablets... which will be unable to use mouseovers
Jun 06 13:32:36 <rm_you> and that resize cursor is just awkward :P
Jun 06 13:32:53 <rm_you> not to mention tablets don't have visible cursors
Jun 06 13:33:58 <lcuk> right, ill hide again now
Jun 06 13:34:01 <lcuk> back later
Jun 06 13:34:05 <rm_you> lcuk: kk thx
Jun 06 13:34:51 <RST38h> hmm...highlight does not work for some reason
Jun 06 13:34:57 <RST38h> oh well, will just leave it as it is
Jun 06 13:37:34 <rm_you> you could give your TD with the package name a class like "packagename" and then add to your css: "td.packagename { text-decoration: underline; color: blue; }"
Jun 06 13:37:44 <rm_you> that's it :/
Jun 06 13:38:33 <rm_you> anyways, i'm back to attempting to make everyone happy with my statusbar applet <_<
Jun 06 13:39:41 <Ave> what applet would that be?
Jun 06 13:40:16 <X-Fade> Make sure it does exactly the same as the Nokia one and more ofcourse. Then we can ask them to replace the closed one with the open one ;)
Jun 06 13:40:56 <RST38h> rm_you: ummm
Jun 06 13:41:14 <RST38h> Which package name?
Jun 06 13:41:45 <rm_you> advanced-backlight
Jun 06 13:42:08 <rm_you> X-Fade: If i had the code for the closed one's UI, i could make this SO much better :P
Jun 06 13:42:32 <rm_you> just need to know how to put a HildonControlbar into a GtkMenu
Jun 06 13:42:44 <rm_you> and have it be functional, like Nokia did in their display and volume applets
Jun 06 13:42:50 <Schubidu> hi again
Jun 06 13:43:14 <rm_you> well, the volume applet did it with a HildonHVolumebar, but the same issue applies, and I'm sure if I saw the code for either I could do the other
Jun 06 13:43:30 <rm_you> X-Fade: want to find out how they did that and just explain it to me? you don't need to show me the code
Jun 06 13:43:35 <X-Fade> rm_you: Maybe ask about that HildonControlbar on -developers?
Jun 06 13:43:39 <rm_you> just tell me if they used some sort of crazy long hack
Jun 06 13:43:44 <rm_you> X-Fade: I did... no responses
Jun 06 13:43:52 <rm_you> didn't want to spam the mailing list tho :/
Jun 06 13:44:00 <X-Fade> rm_you: I'm not working at nokia. So I don't have accesss to the code.
Jun 06 13:44:05 <rm_you> aww :(
Jun 06 13:44:12 <rm_you> you work for maemo?
Jun 06 13:44:33 <X-Fade> rm_you: Maybe timeless can give you some insight about that function.
Jun 06 13:44:36 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 13:44:41 <rm_you> been talking with him about it <_<
Jun 06 13:44:45 <X-Fade> rm_you: Yep. maemo webmaster.
Jun 06 13:47:41 <RST38h> rm_you: highlight with color done
Jun 06 13:47:55 <rm_you> :)
Jun 06 13:48:36 <rm_you> hrm, not the text i was thinking of, but that works
Jun 06 13:49:46 <Italodance> guys the deb run file for games can works on IT?
Jun 06 13:49:58 <rm_you> and again, the onmouseover thing is fancy, but useless on the nokia tablets, which is what 95% of your visitors are going to be using :(
Jun 06 13:50:00 <RST38h> What file?
Jun 06 13:50:19 <RST38h> rm_you: then tablet users will just have to live with it!
Jun 06 13:50:23 <rm_you> ?!
Jun 06 13:50:24 <rm_you> wow
Jun 06 13:50:27 <RST38h> =)
Jun 06 13:50:47 <RST38h> (I am changing this thing Nth time, so don't be surprised)
Jun 06 13:51:01 <rm_you> who told you to use a mouseover? :P
Jun 06 13:51:21 <RST38h> I think YOU told me to highlight on mouseover
Jun 06 13:51:25 <rm_you> not ever
Jun 06 13:51:30 <Italodance> herlllo
Jun 06 13:51:33 <RST38h> then the previous guy :)
Jun 06 13:51:54 <rm_you> then the previous guy didn't think about the fact that he CAN'T MOUSE OVER with his tablet! :P rofl
Jun 06 13:52:26 <Italodance> rm_you the deb run file for games can works on IT?
Jun 06 13:52:26 <RST38h> well, he will have to live with it
Jun 06 13:52:30 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 13:52:39 <Italodance> rm_you from debain linux
Jun 06 13:52:42 <Anunakin> man mouser over events... dont mean with touch screen
Jun 06 13:52:47 <RST38h> BTW, anybody has a Nokia InSTALL icon with transparent bg?
Jun 06 13:52:55 <Anunakin> you must use a real mouse
Jun 06 13:52:57 <rm_you> Italodance: what?
Jun 06 13:53:05 <RST38h> Now, who was it...I think it was hrw
Jun 06 13:53:22 <Anunakin> or just remap mouse moves to some keys
Jun 06 13:53:43 <RST38h> Anunakin: it was a minor complaint anyway
Jun 06 13:53:49 <Italodance> rm_you debian .deb files can work on IT?
Jun 06 13:54:04 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 13:54:13 <rm_you> not natively, unless you have a debian chroot
Jun 06 13:54:29 <rm_you> or are running johnx's debian beta boot image
Jun 06 13:55:04 <rm_you> RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation :P
Jun 06 13:55:26 <Italodance> rm_you how can i convert debian .deb files from linux to maemo? with which tool? how can i make it?
Jun 06 13:55:57 <rm_you> Italodance: in most cases you would have to modify the source code heavily and recompile them in scratchbox
Jun 06 13:56:02 <rm_you> it isn't a small task
Jun 06 13:56:26 <rm_you> with a good knowledge of the programming language, it could take weeks to do it right for one package
Jun 06 13:56:40 <Italodance> yeah :D
Jun 06 13:56:48 <rm_you> there isn't a "tool"
Jun 06 13:57:38 <Italodance> maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/alternative-way-to-generate-deb.html
Jun 06 13:57:48 <rm_you> RST38h: anyway, my point: "The typical form of MMN is represented by menus composed of unrevealing icons that are replaced with explicative text only when the mouse cursor hovers over them."
Jun 06 13:57:57 <rm_you> it's just a usability issue
Jun 06 13:58:15 <rm_you> i'm really not trying to give you a headache :P just friendly advice
Jun 06 14:00:38 <Anunakin> I generate my debs ... with this steps
Jun 06 14:00:45 <RST38h> rm_you: this does not apply
Jun 06 14:00:52 <RST38h> no menus composed of unrevealing icons
Jun 06 14:02:01 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 14:02:23 <rm_you> links that don't appear until you mouseover them>
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 1- ./configure --prefix (OTHER THINKS)
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 2- make
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 3- make DESTDIR=/tmp/DEB
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 4- cd /tmp
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 5- mkdir DEB/DEBIAN
Jun 06 14:02:54 <Anunakin> 6- create a control file with vi DEB/DEBIAN/control
Jun 06 14:02:56 <Anunakin> 7- dpkg-deb -b DEB packname_VERSIONNUMBER_armel.deb
Jun 06 14:03:15 <Anunakin> opps 3- is make DESTDIR=/tmp/DEB install
Jun 06 14:03:40 <Anunakin> rm_you: remove mouser over events
Jun 06 14:03:58 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 14:04:49 <Anunakin> thats icons must have some initial property to hidden... edit it to not hidden
Jun 06 14:07:06 <RST38h> Anunakin: What are you talking about?
Jun 06 14:07:18 <rm_you> Anunakin: yeah... what?
Jun 06 14:07:24 * rm_you is very confused
Jun 06 14:14:15 <eero> exit
Jun 06 14:21:07 <Anunakin> hehe
Jun 06 14:21:25 <Anunakin> I dont know too
Jun 06 14:24:02 <lardman> bmidgley: ping
Jun 06 14:24:14 <lopz> hola
Jun 06 14:27:43 <bmidgley> lardman hi
Jun 06 14:29:48 <lardman> bmidgley: sorry to disappoint with the lack of asm ;)
Jun 06 14:30:12 <lardman> bmidgley: The "optimising" compiler is supposed to do some of that at least, depending on the code structure
Jun 06 14:30:18 <bmidgley> lardman: advertise the fact so you can get people interested in helping
Jun 06 14:30:39 <bmidgley> lardman: some students at the university by indt wanted to work on it
Jun 06 14:31:28 <lardman> bmidgley: I've been trying to get people to help for about a year now, but not much response (for Tremor that was)
Jun 06 14:31:38 <lardman> anyway, I'm glad it works
Jun 06 14:31:41 <summatusmentis> help with what?
Jun 06 14:31:49 <lardman> dsp tremor decoder
Jun 06 14:32:19 <lardman> bmidgley: Anyway, can you explain how the current ALSA pathway works?
Jun 06 14:32:46 <lardman> bmidgley: All built into the Bluez lib? Does "sbcenc" get spun off in its own thread?
Jun 06 14:33:19 <bmidgley> no
Jun 06 14:33:36 <Deka> Yay Google Gears
Jun 06 14:33:36 <bmidgley> there's an audio service daemon that does early negotiation
Jun 06 14:33:40 <Deka> http://www.calio.it/files/maemo-googlegears-webaddon_0.2.9.0-0_armel.zip
Jun 06 14:33:51 <Deka> Yay Offline Gcal
Jun 06 14:33:54 <bmidgley> then the alsa plugin gets a file descriptor that writes directly to the set
Jun 06 14:34:12 <bmidgley> then it's all running in the same process as the alsa client
Jun 06 14:34:50 <lardman> ok
Jun 06 14:35:04 <bmidgley> the alsa plugin has linked in the sbc codec directly
Jun 06 14:35:23 <bmidgley> it's all quite a hack really.
Jun 06 14:35:24 <lardman> I'm just wandering how closely linked the sbc.c functions are to the stuff in Bluez, how much I'll have to replace
Jun 06 14:35:34 <lardman> s/wandering/wondering
Jun 06 14:36:16 <bmidgley> lardman the cleanest thing is to make the gstreamer sbc plugin detect and prefer the dsp over the soft codec
Jun 06 14:36:37 <bmidgley> I believe when maemo has real a2dp support, it will be via a gstreamer plugin
Jun 06 14:36:43 <lardman> I wasn't so worried about GStreamer
Jun 06 14:37:19 <bmidgley> lardman I can understand wanting to plug it into the way people use a2dp now
Jun 06 14:37:30 <bmidgley> ie alsa
Jun 06 14:37:48 <lardman> I wasn't meaning I wouldn't do a Gstreamer one, just that it seems cleaner that way so I wasn't so concerned that it would be difficult
Jun 06 14:38:02 <lardman> and yes, I do really need to replace what people are using now
Jun 06 14:38:41 <lardman> otherwise who knows how long it will be before it's being used
Jun 06 14:39:42 <bmidgley> lardman to answer your original question, the alsa plugin is linked to sbc codec
Jun 06 14:39:56 <bmidgley> but only makes a few calls to the library so it shouldn't be hard to isolate
Jun 06 14:40:06 <lardman> great, that's what I was hoping to hear :)
Jun 06 14:40:15 <bmidgley> hmm, maybe it also looks into the data structures a bit... watch for that
Jun 06 14:40:19 <lardman> i presume there is already a GStreamer sbc sink?
Jun 06 14:40:28 <bmidgley> yes
Jun 06 14:41:04 <bmidgley> it's been a while since I used the gst plugin, but it was using too much cpu
Jun 06 14:41:08 <bmidgley> when I tried it on a gumstix
Jun 06 14:41:27 <bmidgley> that needs to be fixed
Jun 06 14:41:29 <lardman> looking into the structures shouldn't be a major pain, except that the data will probably only be made avaialble when the dsp asks for or gives data
Jun 06 14:41:44 <Khertan> bye
Jun 06 14:41:50 <lardman> Was it the encoder itself that was using the cpu?
Jun 06 14:41:52 <johnx> bmidgley, hmm...random question: did you ever try hildon on gumstix?
Jun 06 14:42:20 <bmidgley> johnx no... just got an lcd and using default gpe env
Jun 06 14:42:41 <bmidgley> lardman I think it was something done wrong in the gst part that was bleeding cpu
Jun 06 14:43:23 <bmidgley> johnx sadly the lcd is not very high res... sad compared to maemo
Jun 06 14:43:37 <hrw> bmidgley: that 480x272 one?
Jun 06 14:43:38 <johnx> what res? VGA or less?
Jun 06 14:43:55 <Schubidu> bye
Jun 06 14:44:21 <bmidgley> yeah, it's 480x272
Jun 06 14:44:59 <johnx> yeah, I could see how hildon-desktop / hildonized apps might not work too well on that...
Jun 06 14:45:43 <bmidgley> it doesn't look bad, but I've been spoiled
Jun 06 14:49:42 <rm_you> johnx: ah you're back :P
Jun 06 14:49:51 <johnx> 'fraid so
Jun 06 14:55:27 <johnx> I think I'm getting closer to the problem at least :/
Jun 06 14:55:34 <rm_you> :/
Jun 06 14:55:43 <rm_you> I think I'm getting closer to my bed.
Jun 06 14:55:52 <johnx> heh
Jun 06 14:55:53 <johnx> me too
Jun 06 14:55:58 <rm_you> Yep, I'm very close now.
Jun 06 14:56:06 <rm_you> Ok, there I am, at my bed. night.
Jun 06 14:56:14 <johnx> 'night rm_you :D
Jun 06 14:56:20 * qwerty12 dies of excitement
Jun 06 14:56:22 <qwerty12> night :p
Jun 06 14:58:19 <RST38h> qwerty: Try the aggregator again
Jun 06 14:58:28 <qwerty12> will do
Jun 06 14:58:38 * RST38h has been adjusting it
Jun 06 14:59:31 <qwerty12> It still messes up for me when I choose OS2008
Jun 06 14:59:39 <RST38h> do not choose platform
Jun 06 14:59:43 <RST38h> keep that box empty
Jun 06 14:59:59 <qwerty12> Will do but it is an annoyance imho.
Jun 06 15:00:17 <RST38h> I know - the box is there but it has not been implemented yet
Jun 06 15:23:33 <AStorm> hello
Jun 06 15:23:55 <AStorm> now that I can't get wifi up and running with new kernels, I'll try a backport of CFS to 2.6.21 - should be simple
Jun 06 15:24:13 <RST38h> AStorm
Jun 06 15:24:21 <AStorm> RST38h: hm?
Jun 06 15:24:21 <hrw> AStorm: when umac.ko stops working? 2.6.22 or later?
Jun 06 15:24:26 <RST38h> nothing
Jun 06 15:24:39 <AStorm> hrw: not sure, it crashes with null deref with 2.6.26-rcx-omap
Jun 06 15:24:53 <AStorm> doesn't take the whole kernel down though
Jun 06 15:25:18 <AStorm> I can't test older kernels too much, some just aren't working
Jun 06 15:25:24 <AStorm> I'll check if 2.6.23 runs
Jun 06 15:25:44 <AStorm> as that's where the wifi got a lot of work
Jun 06 15:25:51 <AStorm> if that works, we're mostly fine
Jun 06 15:27:56 <AStorm> might be some kobject work that broke umac.o
Jun 06 15:30:29 <AStorm> actually, Nokia could get us a newer kernel in long-term agenda
Jun 06 15:30:42 <AStorm> or at least umac.ko per kernel release :-)
Jun 06 15:30:54 <AStorm> That would solve most of the problems
Jun 06 15:31:57 <AStorm> I suspect umac.ko will only need a recompile
Jun 06 15:32:31 <MangoFusion_> ko ko!
Jun 06 15:33:24 * MangoFusion_ promptly remembers what AStorm is really talking about
Jun 06 15:34:06 <n800n_> are there any new calendars/organizers other than GPE?
Jun 06 15:34:11 * RST38h does not know what AStorm is talking about
Jun 06 15:34:31 <AStorm> RST38h: Nokia has access to the closed driver
Jun 06 15:34:34 <RST38h> But it sounds damn complicated!
Jun 06 15:34:44 <RST38h> Yes, the wifi one
Jun 06 15:34:44 <AStorm> so they could just build us a driver for each kernel release
Jun 06 15:34:49 <RST38h> true
Jun 06 15:34:59 <AStorm> just a pull of linux-2.6-omap
Jun 06 15:35:01 <RST38h> but something is telling me they will not bother
Jun 06 15:35:07 <AStorm> if it builds w/o patches, it would be good enough
Jun 06 15:36:11 <AStorm> not that it's a lot of bother
Jun 06 15:36:22 <RST38h> still, why would they...
Jun 06 15:36:42 <AStorm> the answer is... why not? It will help the development of the kernel for Maemo
Jun 06 15:36:58 <RST38h> well, try running it buy Quim
Jun 06 15:37:06 <AStorm> :>
Jun 06 15:38:02 <RST38h> s/buy/by/
Jun 06 15:38:02 <infobot> RST38h meant: well, try running it by Quim
Jun 06 15:38:42 <AStorm> well, KotCzarny, what do you think about the idea?
Jun 06 15:51:54 <n800n_> does GPE crash hildon randomly for anyone?
Jun 06 15:52:16 <johnx> nope
Jun 06 15:52:21 <johnx> what does it crash?
Jun 06 15:52:38 <n800n_> well my statusbar went back to the default icos
Jun 06 15:52:39 <n800n_> icons
Jun 06 15:53:01 <n800n_> and the left side bar got blank for a little while then went to default icons again
Jun 06 15:53:17 <n800n_> rebooting fixed it, just wondering if i should trust the app for reminders and such
Jun 06 15:54:10 <johnx> I dunno. I let my cellphone do alarms...
Jun 06 15:55:57 * RST38h does not use schedules or alarms
Jun 06 15:56:17 <n800n_> just trying something new
Jun 06 15:56:31 * johnx sometimes doesn't automatically wake up for work :P
Jun 06 15:56:51 <tank-man> i have a digital watch with a single alarm. K.I.S.S to you :)
Jun 06 15:57:15 <johnx> I don't trust my alarm clock or my cell phone enough, thus I vote: redundancy
Jun 06 15:57:23 <n800n_> my gf loves the waves/seagulls sounds, i think it's tone 3
Jun 06 15:57:36 <johnx> ahaha...I used that once on vacation
Jun 06 15:57:48 <n800n_> gets old tho doesn't it
Jun 06 15:57:54 * RST38h uses traffic jam sound for his morning alarm
Jun 06 15:57:58 <johnx> scared the crap out of me...it gave me a weird dream where I was sleeping on the beach
Jun 06 15:58:05 <n800n_> i feel like shooting that seagull that comes in about 15 seconds in
Jun 06 15:58:14 <RST38h> No need for any extra equipment too
Jun 06 15:58:15 <n800n_> haha
Jun 06 15:58:33 <n800n_> sleeping on the beach is fun
Jun 06 15:58:43 <n800n_> as long as you leave your wallet at the hotel
Jun 06 15:59:05 <johnx> I guess it depends on the beach :P
Jun 06 15:59:11 <tank-man> i bet there are a lot of homeless people that would disagree
Jun 06 15:59:43 <hrw> have a nice weekend guys
Jun 06 15:59:49 <n800n_> hehe
Jun 06 15:59:58 <johnx> 'later hrw
Jun 06 16:00:36 <n800n_> does the background image on the desktop take up more memory if it's a large image? or does it just load once on startup?
Jun 06 16:01:24 <tank-man> i would think the image would be resized
Jun 06 16:01:48 <inz> n800n, at least the desktop used to create a scaled version of it when you set the background
Jun 06 16:02:57 <n800n_> so it resizes it once and that's it
Jun 06 16:04:08 <bstock> anyone know which flags i should use to replace the kernel image on my 810 without reformating the device?
Jun 06 16:04:12 <bstock> or should i just reformat it
Jun 06 16:04:41 <AStorm> bstock: in linux flasher:
Jun 06 16:04:56 <AStorm> --flash-only kernel -k <path-to-kernel-zImage> -f
Jun 06 16:06:06 <bstock> cool
Jun 06 16:06:06 <bstock> thx
Jun 06 16:08:23 <bstock> wait if i have a .bin file from the website, what kind of image is that
Jun 06 16:09:08 <johnx> fiasco image
Jun 06 16:09:30 <bstock> alright, in that case i prob can't just reflash the kernel
Jun 06 16:09:42 <johnx> you can
Jun 06 16:09:45 <bstock> oh ok
Jun 06 16:09:46 <bstock> cool
Jun 06 16:09:47 <johnx> let me find the arg
Jun 06 16:09:56 <bstock> thx
Jun 06 16:10:30 <ameng> Hi, does n810 lcd controler support YUV?
Jun 06 16:10:47 <johnx> in that case: flasher --flash-only kernel -F foo.bin
Jun 06 16:10:57 <bstock> oh ok, makes sense
Jun 06 16:12:48 <bstock> so which arguments would i use if i wanted to do a full fresh start? -c for 'Cold flash' ?
Jun 06 16:13:19 <johnx> nope, that's something else
Jun 06 16:13:34 <johnx> just do flasher -f -F foo.bin -R
Jun 06 16:13:36 <bstock> ok. so which would i use? i'm saving all this in txt file for later
Jun 06 16:13:41 <bstock> ok cool
Jun 06 16:13:41 <johnx> the -R might not be needed
Jun 06 16:13:57 <johnx> for a complete restore, it's the same as upgrading
Jun 06 16:14:00 <johnx> so it's on the wiki
Jun 06 16:14:45 <bstock> now i just gotta find the funky usb cable for the thing. wish they had stuck with the regular mini port
Jun 06 16:14:57 <johnx> aaah...n810
Jun 06 16:15:00 <bstock> yeah
Jun 06 16:15:27 <bstock> have like 5 cables with the regular port, always gotta look for the special one when flashing
Jun 06 16:15:39 <bstock> and it might be at home :(
Jun 06 16:15:45 <johnx> well, that's what happens with miniaturization
Jun 06 16:15:51 <bstock> indeed
Jun 06 16:16:08 <bstock> though the 810 isn't that much smaller then 770, but they added features
Jun 06 16:16:30 <johnx> it's noticeably smaller than the n800 and has a sliding keyboard and gps
Jun 06 16:16:35 <johnx> that's kind of impressive
Jun 06 16:16:37 <bstock> yeah
Jun 06 16:16:50 <bstock> i haven't messed with the 800, went from 770 to 810
Jun 06 16:17:01 <johnx> zaurus -> n800 here
Jun 06 16:17:12 <johnx> waiting for something based on the omap3
Jun 06 16:17:44 <bstock> yeah every pda i ever had before was all crap, especially when running windows crap, would crash daily
Jun 06 16:18:02 <bstock> even with versions of linux for some of them still wasn't that good until 770
Jun 06 16:18:08 <johnx> I liked my visor prism but it died on me...
Jun 06 16:18:22 <bstock> never heard of that one
Jun 06 16:18:43 <johnx> a palm os device, circa 2002 or so
Jun 06 16:21:39 <glass> palm bought visor no?
Jun 06 16:21:46 <johnx> yeah
Jun 06 16:21:53 <johnx> visor did the treo first :)
Jun 06 16:21:59 <glass> yeah
Jun 06 16:22:05 <glass> and palm is still stuck on that state
Jun 06 16:22:16 <johnx> yeah...it's a little sad
Jun 06 16:22:37 <glass> palm engineers must live in a cave or something
Jun 06 16:22:47 <johnx> actually palm and ms are really embarassing themselves in the handheld/phone market
Jun 06 16:22:51 <glass> foleo was a joke
Jun 06 16:23:19 <johnx> foleo looked interesting, but had the misfortune of being released in 2007, not 2002
Jun 06 16:23:24 <glass> yeah
Jun 06 16:23:33 <glass> exactly them living in a cave
Jun 06 16:23:45 <johnx> would have been a nice challenger for the psion netbook or ibm z50 or somesuch
Jun 06 16:23:51 <glass> announcing something like the foleo like that
Jun 06 16:24:29 <glass> it would've been nice too if it could have hit a price range of 100$ or so
Jun 06 16:24:37 <glass> but no way
Jun 06 16:24:46 <johnx> I wonder what the engineers are *actually doing* there
Jun 06 16:24:56 <glass> nothing
Jun 06 16:25:00 <johnx> cause, they're not really making much progress in hardware or software
Jun 06 16:25:15 <glass> just waiting for the management to ditch the os they're building, again
Jun 06 16:25:21 <johnx> heh
Jun 06 16:25:37 <johnx> and spin it off into a competing company :D
Jun 06 16:26:27 <lardman> bmidgley: You still about?
Jun 06 16:29:26 <lardman> bmidgley: Anyway, I've looked at the rest of the Bluez code (that contains "sbc") and it looks like the DSP code should be able to drop in
Jun 06 16:29:56 <johnx> lardman, that is great news :D
Jun 06 16:30:16 <lardman> bmidgley: I'll need to change the point at which I've encapsulated the code on the DSP, so it just handles sbc_encode() rather than the stuff above that
Jun 06 16:30:23 <lardman> johnx: Yeah, looks promising
Jun 06 16:32:10 <lardman> Why would one want to parse data, e.g. sbc_parse()?
Jun 06 16:39:05 <napsy_> Hello. I have a gtk+ application and I want to know if I have to port this app to maemo in order to use it on nokia?
Jun 06 16:40:22 <johnx> you don't have to "port" it per se, but if you hildonize it, it will look nicer, and fit in better
Jun 06 16:40:54 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, ping.
Jun 06 16:41:06 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Pong
Jun 06 16:41:25 <johnx> wow, low latency O_o
Jun 06 16:41:40 <napsy_> johnx, I just want to run the program, look isn't important
Jun 06 16:41:51 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, I see there's a bunch of new ex-midgard articles on the wiki.
Jun 06 16:41:53 <GeneralAntilles> What's the plan?
Jun 06 16:42:04 <johnx> napsy_, then, all you should need to do is recompile for ARM
Jun 06 16:42:14 <dneary> I don't think there are a bunch of them
Jun 06 16:42:20 <napsy_> ok tnx
Jun 06 16:42:22 <dneary> I just added them all to a category
Jun 06 16:42:25 <GeneralAntilles> OK, 31. :P
Jun 06 16:42:29 <dneary> They were already there
Jun 06 16:42:45 <GeneralAntilles> Were they?
Jun 06 16:42:55 <GeneralAntilles> I guess I missed that
Jun 06 16:43:10 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, should I start moving and renaming these things to bring them up to speed?
Jun 06 16:43:10 <dneary> The plan is to indent the pages that are there in Categorization, migrate the others, and start reviewing the content :)
Jun 06 16:43:20 <dneary> Yes please!
Jun 06 16:43:22 <dneary> Either or
Jun 06 16:43:42 <dneary> I'll tell you what - I'll leave you to rename & categorise, and I'll migrate
Jun 06 16:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> Works for me.
Jun 06 16:44:10 <kulve> napsy_: when you want more: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html
Jun 06 16:44:20 <kulve> napsy_: although I'm not sure how good that doc is..
Jun 06 16:44:28 <napsy_> ok tnx
Jun 06 16:45:22 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, The "How To <blah>" naming scheme is redundant and ugly. Does, say, "How to Compile the Kernel" to "Compiling the kernel" work for you?
Jun 06 16:46:30 <dneary> Absolutely agree
Jun 06 16:46:58 <dneary> Also cut down most of the page titles
Jun 06 16:47:44 <dneary> "USB network with windows" should just be "USB networking", and be merged with "USB network for Linux and Mac" if it exists
Jun 06 16:48:09 <GeneralAntilles> Let's see, I need . . . 3 templates. Ex-midgard, Expansion request and out-of-date.
Jun 06 16:51:56 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Some of those pages should be deleted
Jun 06 16:52:20 <dneary> For example "How to use a boot menu with the Nokia 770" is outdated
Jun 06 16:52:52 <dneary> And it starts: "There's an updated and simplified version of this page at How to Boot the root filesystem from MMC"
Jun 06 17:05:04 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Out_of_date http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Expansion_request http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Midgard_article
Jun 06 17:05:32 <dneary> I don't know if Out of date is really necessary - better to just delete the page
Jun 06 17:05:55 <dneary> Or rename it
Jun 06 17:06:04 <dneary> and mark it as "Needs review"
Jun 06 17:06:09 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe, but the template may prove useful in the future.
Jun 06 17:06:12 <dneary> (or whatever)
Jun 06 17:06:22 <GeneralAntilles> I need to figure out how to use those tags to generate categories, too.
Jun 06 17:06:31 <dneary> Example: https://wiki.maemo.org/How_To_Modify_Root_Image_of_Nokia_770 might be useful
Jun 06 17:06:54 <dneary> but it needs to have "of Nokia 770" removed from the title, and be updated/merged
Jun 06 17:10:31 <lcuk> dneary, +1 vote to delete
Jun 06 17:11:02 <dneary> deletiong the "modify root image" page?
Jun 06 17:11:03 <lcuk> as you said when explaining all this wiki stuff, the original will remain, merge importantant information
Jun 06 17:11:27 <lcuk> sorry, on the previous one..
Jun 06 17:11:47 <lardman> As long as a copy remains, yes delete it as it's no longer even vaguely up to date - that was from the days of a ro root fs
Jun 06 17:12:59 <lcuk> even everyone btw
Jun 06 17:13:01 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody remember how to increase the type size for something in mediawiki?
Jun 06 17:13:06 <lcuk> fffffs evening even
Jun 06 17:13:24 <lcuk> move closer to your screen?
Jun 06 17:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> Bugzilla was busy again last night . . . I hate sorting through pages of updated bugs.
Jun 06 17:15:43 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: Your campaigning is too successful hey? ;)
Jun 06 17:16:09 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, it's mostly freaking andre___. :P
Jun 06 17:16:13 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, hire a few interns
Jun 06 17:22:40 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, well... we have to start somewhere :-D
Jun 06 17:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, ping, you awake yet? :P
Jun 06 17:39:27 <Zeiber> nabend
Jun 06 17:47:29 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I finally was able to get in touch with rm ;)
Jun 06 17:47:41 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I saw it in the logs.
Jun 06 17:47:45 <GeneralAntilles> Took long enough. :D
Jun 06 17:47:58 <X-Fade> Heh :)
Jun 06 17:56:34 <n800n> anyone ever tried Yoper?
Jun 06 17:59:35 <n800n> looking for a very slim linux distro fit for an old laptop
Jun 06 18:01:43 <Ave> puppylinux?
Jun 06 18:02:05 <n800n> could debian work?
Jun 06 18:02:19 <n800n> i think it's like 32 mb ram
Jun 06 18:02:24 <n800n> lemme see
Jun 06 18:02:44 <Ave> 32 is quite low
Jun 06 18:02:58 <lcuk> what are you wanting to do with it
Jun 06 18:03:19 <lcuk> ie text based firewall/hacking duties, or full gui
Jun 06 18:03:32 <penguinbait> I have redhat running on 133 pentium, with 32mb ram
Jun 06 18:03:41 <lcuk> n800n, what OS is currently on it
Jun 06 18:03:42 <Zeiber> give it a germanmaemo/nokia tablet - community..?^^
Jun 06 18:03:48 <penguinbait> its linux, run any version you want
Jun 06 18:07:06 <n800n> it hasn't been used in a long time, it had win 98 by the sticker
Jun 06 18:07:12 <n800n> i'm getting in the bios now
Jun 06 18:08:32 <n800n> 32 mb, 4Gb
Jun 06 18:08:42 <n800n> can't see the cpu in here :/
Jun 06 18:09:32 <Ave> boot memtest86+ in it
Jun 06 18:09:40 <Ave> you'll see the cpu, afaicr
Jun 06 18:09:46 <lcuk> memtest68k more likely :P ;)
Jun 06 18:10:07 <n800n>     *  Compaq Presario 1244 Internet PC
Jun 06 18:10:07 <n800n>     * CPU: AMD K6-2 366Mhz. processor
Jun 06 18:10:07 <n800n>     * RAM: 96MB PC66 SDRAM
Jun 06 18:10:07 <n800n>       (32MB native, 64MB added via PC66 SO-DIMM)
Jun 06 18:10:07 <Ave> 6510?
Jun 06 18:10:08 <n800n>     * Video: NeoMagic MagicGraph128XD 2MB graphics chipset
Jun 06 18:10:08 <n800n>     * Display: 12.1" LCD Display
Jun 06 18:10:09 <n800n>     * Sound: ES1869 Plug and Play AudioDrive (WDM)
Jun 06 18:10:11 <n800n>       w/ JBL-Pro stereo speakers
Jun 06 18:10:13 <n800n>     * Modem: Compaq Presario 56K-DF (LT Winmodem)
Jun 06 18:10:15 <n800n>     * 4.5GB UDMA hard-disk, 24x CD-ROM, standard 3.5" floppy
Jun 06 18:10:17 <n800n> not bad...
Jun 06 18:10:31 <Ave> hmm some early amd cpu's were especially buggy things
Jun 06 18:10:38 <Ave> esp with linux you got sig11's left and right
Jun 06 18:11:22 <Ave> http://membres.lycos.fr/poulot/k6bug.html
Jun 06 18:11:37 <Ave> you're safe!
Jun 06 18:11:41 <n800n> hey thanks
Jun 06 18:12:35 <amen1> Dose n810's framebuffer support YUV?
Jun 06 18:15:47 <lcuk> yes natively, but its some odd none contigious planes
Jun 06 18:16:16 <lcuk> YUV420
Jun 06 18:16:48 <Ave> surely it couldnt display video without yuv
Jun 06 18:16:55 <n800n> i don't really know what i could use it for, this laptop :/
Jun 06 18:17:17 <Ave> a car debug terminal?
Jun 06 18:17:20 <lcuk> ave, it could, but it would need rgb conversion
Jun 06 18:17:32 <Ave> ahha, sure, which is slower than hell
Jun 06 18:17:36 <lcuk> n800n, does it still have windows on
Jun 06 18:17:36 <Ave> and there is no cpu to spare
Jun 06 18:21:06 <lcuk> amen1, what you need it for
Jun 06 18:21:09 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have any use for this? http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_Boot_the_root_filesystem_from_MMC
Jun 06 18:21:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's pretty much entirely out of date
Jun 06 18:21:30 <GeneralAntilles> and grabbing one of the other guides around to replace it seems like a better plan than trying to update that.
Jun 06 18:22:30 <lcuk> as long as the other guides have been verified as working as stable then i agree
Jun 06 18:22:42 <penguinbait> it looks great, full of wonderful info, what the problem?
Jun 06 18:22:53 <lcuk> ie those who use these things agree on the forum its a clean solution :)
Jun 06 18:23:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's old and gross, penguinbait.
Jun 06 18:23:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'd rather have milhouse's guide up there or something.
Jun 06 18:23:28 <lcuk> penguinbait, its for the 770 and it itself says its out of date
Jun 06 18:24:16 <penguinbait> Its full of good info, I guess I just dont see the reason to delete it
Jun 06 18:24:22 <penguinbait> let it live forever :)
Jun 06 18:24:24 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, do you want to bring it up to date?
Jun 06 18:24:30 <GeneralAntilles> It can live forever in the midgard wiki.
Jun 06 18:24:39 <penguinbait> I dont use wiki's
Jun 06 18:24:43 <GeneralAntilles> The mediawiki isn't for archiving old info.
Jun 06 18:25:29 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, this stuff is so old and gross.
Jun 06 18:26:30 <lcuk> penguinbait, the information isnt being deleted, this is removing the cruft for a nice new clean wiki
Jun 06 18:26:34 <penguinbait> maybe we can go around ITT and delete posts that are no longer relavent
Jun 06 18:26:44 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, <_<
Jun 06 18:26:52 <lcuk> sudo apt-get remove GeneralAntilles
Jun 06 18:26:55 <penguinbait> if its a new wiki, its not in there anyway?
Jun 06 18:27:07 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, nevermind.
Jun 06 18:27:25 <lcuk> a migration of the old wiki is in progress extracting the good stuff :)
Jun 06 18:27:34 <penguinbait> it would be better to me to mark them as deprecated, and keep them
Jun 06 18:27:40 <penguinbait> just my two cents
Jun 06 18:27:54 <GeneralAntilles> They're archived in the old wiki.
Jun 06 18:28:47 <lcuk> penguinbait, ill say again, they are not being deleted, but its not considered important and fresh and clean and new and stuff, it has no place in the hip new club but will remain in mo's tavern
Jun 06 18:32:02 <amen1> lcuk: for play video
Jun 06 18:32:29 <lcuk> wow - you mean i can play video on my 810?
Jun 06 18:33:12 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I've moved the useful stuff, the rest of the stuff in H and M should either be deleted, merged or moved.
Jun 06 18:33:18 <GeneralAntilles> I'll leave those decisions up to somebody else.
Jun 06 18:34:15 <lcuk> a lot of work has gone into (and is still ongoing) to optimise the video experience on n8x0, i think now the majority of actual rendering issues have been ironed out, but focus needs turning to codecs
Jun 06 18:34:29 <amen1> lcuk:do you konw how can i use the yuv framebuffer?
Jun 06 18:34:59 <lcuk> for movies?
Jun 06 18:35:15 <amen1> yes
Jun 06 18:35:26 <lcuk> ok, goto your terminal and type mplayer ;)
Jun 06 18:36:19 <lcuk> are you wanting to develop your own application to utilise the system or do you just want to watch though
Jun 06 18:37:11 <amen1> ok , I want to develop a gstreamer based player on directfb
Jun 06 18:40:38 <amen1> do you have any ideas?
Jun 06 18:40:43 <lcuk> you may be easier using mplayer in client/hosted mode but you could start here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/31362
Jun 06 18:41:16 <lcuk> http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 06 18:41:56 <lcuk> mplayer is in active development and its used as the workhorse in a number of existing media players
Jun 06 18:44:45 <derf> I mean, the same thing can be said of gstreamer.
Jun 06 18:45:24 <lcuk> cool, i didnt know
Jun 06 18:46:15 <lcuk> derf, which apps use it?
Jun 06 18:46:43 <derf> Well, Nokia's media player, for one.
Jun 06 18:46:46 <derf> totem
Jun 06 18:47:00 <derf> I believe Songbird, also.
Jun 06 18:47:05 <derf> There's probably more.
Jun 06 18:47:24 <lcuk> ahhh i did wonder how the internal worked
Jun 06 18:47:48 <lcuk> thought it was nokia proprietary system.  mind you never thought to ask..
Jun 06 18:49:04 <derf> Commercial entities that have to deal with the US patent system tend to like gstreamer because it actually attempts to address the patent issue properly.
Jun 06 18:49:19 <derf> I.e., you can buy and download properly licensed codecs for the proprietary bits.
Jun 06 18:49:39 <derf> Which makes it fairly unique among Linux multimedia frameworks.
Jun 06 18:50:44 <lcuk> ta derf :) informative
Jun 06 18:50:54 <Blastur> any news on when Diablo will release?
Jun 06 18:52:14 <GeneralAntilles> Blastur, when it's ready.
Jun 06 18:52:28 <GeneralAntilles> The window for that is sometime between 2 weeks and 2 months from now.
Jun 06 18:58:14 <Blastur> excellent
Jun 06 18:58:27 <Blastur> do you know if it will include better GPS TTF?
Jun 06 18:58:38 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, there's a-gps stuff in there.
Jun 06 18:58:45 <Blastur> wooh
Jun 06 18:58:51 <GeneralAntilles> http://anidel.blogspot.com/2008/05/gps-support-on-n8x0-is-coming-with.html
Jun 06 18:59:43 <Blastur> so this AGPS support, it requires internet connectivity to be efficient?
Jun 06 19:00:17 <GeneralAntilles> It's got a map where you can tap your current location if you don't have internet.
Jun 06 19:01:43 <Blastur> cool
Jun 06 19:01:51 <Blastur> so give it a little push in the right direction ? :)
Jun 06 19:02:30 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Jun 06 19:08:31 <derf> lcuk: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/apps/
Jun 06 19:10:35 <GeneralAntilles> Has anybody done any really intense testing of the GPS acquisition time with just the world map assistance?
Jun 06 19:11:32 <RST38h> Hey, GA, check out the package aggregator
Jun 06 19:12:38 <penguinbait> is that like akregator?
Jun 06 19:13:02 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's looking better.
Jun 06 19:13:14 <GeneralAntilles> But the expanding and collapsing could use some work. ;)
Jun 06 19:13:48 <RST38h> ?
Jun 06 19:14:27 <gnuSnob> gotta debian question the folks in #debian couldn't answer.. if I run "apt-cache search kernel-source" I only get a list of odd ball packages relating to drivers, not the actual kernel source.  Has the package name changed?
Jun 06 19:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, first step would be to add an arrow to indicate the expanded/collapsed state.
Jun 06 19:15:28 <penguinbait> what is aggregator, RSS reader?
Jun 06 19:15:41 <GeneralAntilles> Second step is to keep the elements from moving around when you expand and collapse
Jun 06 19:15:42 <GeneralAntilles> http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/index.php?Action=list&Platform=&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=0
Jun 06 19:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> The .deb link is perfect, though.
Jun 06 19:16:07 <RST38h> penguin: fms.komkon.org/Maemo
Jun 06 19:16:14 <penguinbait> i c
Jun 06 19:16:30 <RST38h> GA: elements will move around anyway
Jun 06 19:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> The title and version number shouldn't move.
Jun 06 19:16:43 <RST38h> As to the arrow, yea, it should not be a problem
Jun 06 19:16:47 <RST38h> they do?
Jun 06 19:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> By a couple of px down and to the right over here.
Jun 06 19:17:04 <GeneralAntilles> Probably from the border.
Jun 06 19:17:19 <RST38h> Oh, this is because of the border
Jun 06 19:17:32 <RST38h> I thought there was a real problem
Jun 06 19:17:34 <lcdd> gnuSnob: it's 'linux-source' and 'linux-tree' now
Jun 06 19:17:52 <GeneralAntilles> I'd dump the border and just use the color and arrow to indicate collapse/expanded.
Jun 06 19:18:05 <RST38h> I like border better
Jun 06 19:18:09 <gnuSnob> ah, thanks lcdd!
Jun 06 19:18:22 <RST38h> Actually, I do not think arrow would be a good idea
Jun 06 19:18:48 <RST38h> There may be a LOT of entries shown and with each entry displaying an arrow it will look weird and disorienting
Jun 06 19:18:59 <RST38h> Border just indicates attention
Jun 06 19:19:24 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I'd use the Digg comment system as a general guideline.
Jun 06 19:19:24 <RST38h> Speaking of.... GA, do you have a Nokia Install icon with transparent bg?
Jun 06 19:19:26 <GeneralAntilles> http://digg.com/world_news/Accused_9_11_mastermind_must_now_protect_US_secrets
Jun 06 19:19:38 <GeneralAntilles> No, not that I know of, RST38h.
Jun 06 19:19:46 <skibur> Anybody know how many characters in total including unlockeables they are in Super Smash Brawl?
Jun 06 19:19:50 <RST38h> Let me know if you find one
Jun 06 19:19:58 <GeneralAntilles> I could make one if it comes down to it.
Jun 06 19:20:02 <GeneralAntilles> But I'll keep my eyes open.
Jun 06 19:20:04 <RST38h> Because the one you have given before I can't use - it has opaque background
Jun 06 19:20:16 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe ping X-Fade about it.
Jun 06 19:20:34 <GeneralAntilles> Also, each listing needs to be shorter.
Jun 06 19:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> The rows are too high.
Jun 06 19:20:55 <RST38h> well, they are defined by the icon and the size cell
Jun 06 19:21:18 <GeneralAntilles> It's pushed out by the size cell over here.
Jun 06 19:21:33 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe do them side-by-side instead of on top of eachother?
Jun 06 19:21:43 * RST38h looked at digg. If GA means the little arrow to the left of comments count, it can't be transplanted into MPA - there are no comments to fold out
Jun 06 19:22:03 <RST38h> GA: this way you will lose screen width and it is more important than height
Jun 06 19:22:16 <RST38h> I would rather lose height
Jun 06 19:22:16 <GeneralAntilles> Put the little arrow to the left of the package title
Jun 06 19:22:18 <GeneralAntilles> Just make it bigger.
Jun 06 19:22:59 <RST38h> mmm
Jun 06 19:22:59 <GeneralAntilles> The arrow usage has nothing to do with comments. ;)
Jun 06 19:23:01 <linux8mybaby> thats what she said
Jun 06 19:23:31 <RST38h> no, there should be an element to attach it to
Jun 06 19:23:37 <RST38h> if not comment then somethign else
Jun 06 19:23:46 <GeneralAntilles> Description.
Jun 06 19:23:59 <GeneralAntilles> Think something along these lines: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=753
Jun 06 19:24:01 <RST38h> centered - can't attach arrows - won't be neat
Jun 06 19:24:12 <GeneralAntilles> Except replace the category with the package.
Jun 06 19:24:18 <RST38h> app name - yea, maybe
Jun 06 19:24:42 <GeneralAntilles> You can change the position of the arrow with relative positioning.
Jun 06 19:25:07 <RST38h> all right, let me try shrinking those rows
Jun 06 19:25:16 <RST38h> I think I can do it, a little bit
Jun 06 19:27:53 <RST38h> GA: Done. I do not think I can go thinner than this without reducing font size
Jun 06 19:29:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that looks fine.
Jun 06 19:29:46 <RST38h> probably need to suck and use app icons
Jun 06 19:29:59 <RST38h> Any PERL function that will convert from MIME into binary data?
Jun 06 19:30:52 <GeneralAntilles> Application icons would be good.
Jun 06 19:30:56 <GeneralAntilles> How big are the ones in the repos?
Jun 06 19:31:07 <RST38h> 26x26
Jun 06 19:31:22 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jun 06 19:38:30 <RST38h> apple fanboys are shitting their pants while waiting for the 3g iphone
Jun 06 19:39:29 <RST38h> is there some kind of sabbath coming for them?
Jun 06 19:39:58 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jun 06 19:40:44 <lardman> Talking about useful stuff, all of DSP Programming is up to date, just needs more adding to it
Jun 06 19:40:56 <lardman> so it can migrate across, etc.
Jun 06 19:41:27 * lardman has just read backlog
Jun 06 19:46:03 <gnuSnob> AT&T is about to be dwarfed by vz too... vz buys alltel
Jun 06 19:46:10 <lcuk> i think quite a few companies are wondering whats coming as well
Jun 06 20:00:20 <RST38h> lcuk: THE END IS COMING
Jun 06 20:00:47 <RST38h> As in "$10 per gallon of gas or gallon of milk"
Jun 06 20:08:13 <Navi> Milk-powered cars
Jun 06 20:08:14 <Navi> awesome
Jun 06 20:09:03 <RST38h> more like pedal-powered...
Jun 06 20:09:23 <Navi> Cars powered by my own self-esteem
Jun 06 20:09:24 <Navi> awesome
Jun 06 20:18:39 <Jaffa> Ev'ning
Jun 06 20:19:37 <andre___> hmm, i shouldn't read "milk-powdered cars" at first sight (with sugar on top, please)
Jun 06 20:20:32 <lcuk> navi, milk powered cars wont work here, the missus is already pissed off at me for drinking all the milk
Jun 06 20:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Jaffa.
Jun 06 20:21:04 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm . . . milk.
Jun 06 20:21:06 * GeneralAntilles needs more milk.
Jun 06 20:21:42 <lcuk> she complained because i drank 4 out of 6 pints
Jun 06 20:21:51 <lcuk> I LEFT HER SOME FFS (shes been on at me all day about this)
Jun 06 20:21:54 <Jaffa> tsk, that still leaes 2 :-)
Jun 06 20:22:06 <Jaffa> Bah, the 'v' key on my father-in-law's laptop is crap.
Jun 06 20:22:39 <lcuk> gah always annoying
Jun 06 20:24:18 <lcuk> right, i have a movie to watch and code to write, back later
Jun 06 20:25:14 <GeneralAntilles> bye
Jun 06 21:18:24 <lardman> bmidgley: I just replied to your email
Jun 06 21:18:36 <lardman> bmidgley: What do you mean by stepping around GStreamer?
Jun 06 21:22:22 * Jaffa beds since he's driving for about 5 hours through France tomorrow.
Jun 06 21:22:48 <GeneralAntilles> Later, Jaffa.
Jun 06 21:28:45 <dougt> fennec w/ geolocation:
Jun 06 21:28:48 <dougt> http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/fennec-0.3.en-US.linux-arm.tar.bz2
Jun 06 21:29:15 <dougt> see: http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/geo.html
Jun 06 21:38:13 <|penguinbait|> johnx you around?
Jun 06 21:41:39 <RST38h> GA: I have got icons working
Jun 06 21:42:32 <GeneralAntilles> Looks good
Jun 06 21:42:35 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad they're so tiny. :P
Jun 06 21:43:34 <RST38h> well, gotta have something
Jun 06 21:48:42 <RST38h> Weird how few people actually supply icons to the installer...
Jun 06 21:49:50 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, you undead yet?
Jun 06 22:25:41 <fysa> tmobile internet getting 10kbytes/sec
Jun 06 22:26:31 <fysa> wife shopping in nine west for shoes.  thank god for NIT.
Jun 06 22:27:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jun 06 22:28:09 <gnuSnob> tell her to shop for shoes on NIT on drive home :)
Jun 06 22:28:14 <gnuSnob> that way you can bail
Jun 06 22:29:39 <lardman> night all
Jun 06 22:29:43 <GeneralAntilles> 'night, lardman.
Jun 06 22:31:09 <fysa> fast enough for soma.fm stream at 48k aac.  need to try SIP.
Jun 06 22:32:12 <fysa> and no contract 'flexpay'.  would be better if i could ditch the phone ;)
Jun 06 22:33:31 <GeneralAntilles> I hate that mall.
Jun 06 22:33:41 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad there's no Apple Store in there you could leach wifi off of. :P
Jun 06 22:34:14 <fysa> which mall?
Jun 06 22:34:16 <fysa> which mall? tyrone?
Jun 06 22:34:23 <fysa> whoops
Jun 06 22:34:35 <GeneralAntilles> Nine West is in West Shore, isn't it?
Jun 06 22:35:16 <fysa> ah. in clearwater just left the beach
Jun 06 22:35:25 <GeneralAntilles> Aha
Jun 06 22:35:32 <GeneralAntilles> Well, still, Apple Store with free wifi would be nice. ;)
Jun 06 22:39:17 <jeroin_> shall i go shopping with your wife?:)
Jun 06 22:39:19 <fysa> but yeah, i like intnl
Jun 06 22:39:23 <fysa> but yeah, i like intnl mall better.  lots of wifi
Jun 06 22:39:43 <fysa> xchat is bugging out
Jun 06 22:39:56 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid finger keyboard retardation.
Jun 06 22:40:19 <GeneralAntilles> It's a lot better in Diablo, but even so, still pretty terrible. :\
Jun 06 22:40:44 <fysa> hittinh enter on thumbboard gives focus to spacebar? of stylus keyboard
Jun 06 22:40:50 <jeroin> life is tough
Jun 06 22:40:51 <jeroin> ;p
Jun 06 22:41:24 <fysa> so i have to touch xchat window --- 3 taps for enter
Jun 06 22:41:40 <jeroin> nono, you need to shop with your wife:)
Jun 06 22:41:46 <fysa> :)
Jun 06 22:41:49 <GeneralAntilles> My routine in Chinook xchat was always "dpad center to bring up finger keyboard, enter text, press return on finger keyboard, hope it sends, doesn't send, tap text field to bring up vkb, tap vkb enter"
Jun 06 22:41:54 <jeroin> duty calls!
Jun 06 22:42:24 <GeneralAntilles> On Diablo, it's mostly the same, except you can actually bring up the finger keyboard with your thumb and it actually sends from the finger keyboard about half the time.
Jun 06 22:43:53 <jeroin> that sounds like its a lot better in Diablo, but even so, still pretty terrible.
Jun 06 22:44:07 <jeroin> *g*
Jun 06 22:44:16 <jeroin> i just type it out... also sucks ofcourse
Jun 06 22:44:35 <GeneralAntilles> It's really rather sad that they haven't managed to get virtual text input anywhere close to right in almost 3 years.
Jun 06 22:45:07 <jeroin> i'm surprised it works at all, and that people actually use such
Jun 06 22:45:40 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles! :P
Jun 06 22:45:53 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you: rm_you, rm_you! :P
Jun 06 22:46:01 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ONE thing left
Jun 06 22:46:09 <rm_you> and then I can release beta 0.9
Jun 06 22:46:17 <rm_you> like... one line of code left
Jun 06 22:46:23 <rm_you> just need to figure out how to write it
Jun 06 22:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> Very carefully
Jun 06 22:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> Try the autobuilder this time?
Jun 06 22:47:01 <jeroin> keep your trojans out pls;)
Jun 06 22:47:16 <rm_you> heh, autobuilder?
Jun 06 22:48:01 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, X-Fade sent you the link earlier.
Jun 06 22:48:09 <GeneralAntilles> The Extras assistant
Jun 06 22:48:18 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php
Jun 06 22:48:26 <rm_you> why do I want to use that?
Jun 06 22:48:34 <jeroin> one day i'm gonna be so pissed off with the nit keyboard i'll buy a bt keyboard and begone w/it ofcourse then might as well have bought a full mini-laptop..
Jun 06 22:48:47 <GeneralAntilles> To test its awesomeness, rm_you.
Jun 06 22:48:58 <GeneralAntilles> and so the server can do the compiling work for you.
Jun 06 22:51:10 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html
Jun 06 22:51:26 <rm_you> lol one thing at a time
Jun 06 22:51:32 <rm_you> getting this working first
Jun 06 22:51:39 * GeneralAntilles starts shoveling recycled newspapers onto rm_you.
Jun 06 22:52:27 * jeroin brags about the quality of toilet paper in the 21st century
Jun 06 22:52:30 <rm_you> someone: If I have an array like: "char* themes[5]"
Jun 06 22:53:23 <rm_you> and I have a dirent struct that contains a "char* d_name"
Jun 06 22:53:44 <rm_you> can I just do "themes[0] = direntobject->d_name"
Jun 06 22:54:00 <rm_you> or will that break? do I need to use a string copy or something to copy it in?
Jun 06 22:54:00 <lcuk> no
Jun 06 22:54:28 <lcuk> the actual memory will be reused by the directory functions for the next file
Jun 06 22:54:35 <rm_you> i know I saw a command that copies it
Jun 06 22:54:36 <lcuk> i believe
Jun 06 22:54:40 <rm_you> but i forgot what it is...
Jun 06 22:54:41 <lcuk> strdup(
Jun 06 22:54:44 <lcuk> strndup(
Jun 06 22:54:45 <rm_you> RIGHT
Jun 06 22:54:46 <rm_you> thanks
Jun 06 22:54:56 <lcuk> make sure you free it afterwards
Jun 06 22:55:00 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 22:55:01 <rm_you> which
Jun 06 22:55:15 <lcuk> the string you copy
Jun 06 22:55:21 <lcuk> calling strdup is the same as
Jun 06 22:55:38 <rm_you> themes[0]=strdup(direndobject->d_name);
Jun 06 22:55:46 <rm_you> what do i free there?
Jun 06 22:55:58 <lcuk> char *strdup(char *indat){    char *buf=malloc(strlen(indat));   memcpy(...); }
Jun 06 22:56:20 <lcuk> at the end when you have finished with your array list, you must free up all allocated items
Jun 06 22:56:25 <rm_you> ok
Jun 06 22:56:39 <rm_you> I return it somewhere... so after I use it, can i just do "free(themes)"?
Jun 06 22:56:45 <lcuk> while(--used>=0)   free( themes[used--] );
Jun 06 22:56:50 <rm_you> or do i have to loop through and free all
Jun 06 22:56:51 <rm_you> ah
Jun 06 22:56:51 <rm_you> k
Jun 06 22:56:59 <lcuk> no, free each used element in the themes array
Jun 06 22:57:46 <lcuk> are you using the themes[] array for the duration of your form onscreen?
Jun 06 22:57:57 <lcuk> or is it used and freed all within a single function
Jun 06 22:58:36 <rm_you> i return the array to another function, where I use it to fill a combobox, after which I believe it is done
Jun 06 22:59:07 <rm_you> how do I get the size of the array in my other function?
Jun 06 22:59:13 <lcuk> hmmm, why not just fill the combo whilst parsing the dir?
Jun 06 22:59:45 <rm_you> need to sort
Jun 06 22:59:49 <lcuk> you cannot easily, passing arrays around usually requires adding a final NULL element to indicate end up useful data
Jun 06 22:59:50 <rm_you> which I'm getting to still
Jun 06 23:00:15 <lcuk> way off to the side: visual basic has a sorted combo box? doesnt gtk?
Jun 06 23:00:22 <rm_you> errr
Jun 06 23:00:27 <rm_you> don't think so?
Jun 06 23:00:56 <rm_you> but I was planning on using a mergesort-esque technique
Jun 06 23:01:12 <rm_you> since I have one array, and I'm pulling things off one by one and inserting them into another
Jun 06 23:01:41 <rm_you> I can do a binary search for the appropriate spot in the new array and then shove the next one in there
Jun 06 23:02:00 <lcuk> hmmm
Jun 06 23:02:38 <lcuk> or you could use a proper sort and just flip the pointers in the existing array
Jun 06 23:02:39 <rm_you> ahh
Jun 06 23:02:49 <rm_you> i can set a model for it i think
Jun 06 23:03:20 <lcuk> model for the combo sort order?
Jun 06 23:03:27 <rm_you> dunno
Jun 06 23:03:35 <rm_you> it uses a GtkTreeModel
Jun 06 23:03:44 <rm_you> so I assume it can be set up to do sorting?
Jun 06 23:04:24 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 06 23:04:27 <rm_you> GtkTreeSortable
Jun 06 23:04:34 <lcuk> not sure, the sorting is just a hunch - i know if i was making a user control which takes a list i'd make it sortable
Jun 06 23:04:59 <rm_you> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable//GtkTreeModelSort.html
Jun 06 23:05:19 <lcuk> cool, so you just negated the arrays totally, :) if it works strip them out of your code and keep it nice and simple :)
Jun 06 23:05:39 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 23:05:50 <rm_you> this is horrible
Jun 06 23:05:57 * rm_you is a GTK *and* a C newbie
Jun 06 23:06:12 <rm_you> if I at least knew ONE of the two, it would be awesome...
Jun 06 23:06:39 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: the things I do because of you...
Jun 06 23:06:43 <lcuk> ive make exactly 1 form in GTK and 1 form in python :)
Jun 06 23:06:47 <lcuk> made *
Jun 06 23:07:13 <lcuk> mthe c i learnt on my amiga has come flooding back though :)
Jun 06 23:07:18 <rm_you> heh
Jun 06 23:07:24 * GeneralAntilles is such a horrible person.
Jun 06 23:07:30 <lcuk> now, ive got a dateline to write
Jun 06 23:07:38 * lcuk agrees :P
Jun 06 23:07:39 <rm_you> I took C++ in highschool, and college was entirely Java, minus one C++ class that was totally lame
Jun 06 23:07:45 <GeneralAntilles> Don't blame me because you were the first sucker to fall for my line. :P
Jun 06 23:08:01 <rm_you> there WAS a C class but my AP credit from highschool C++ got me out of it >_<
Jun 06 23:08:03 <lcuk> i loved c++, but i onmly ever wrote console apps in it
Jun 06 23:08:09 <rm_you> same
Jun 06 23:08:13 <lcuk> at college the only thing which looked reasonable was vb..
Jun 06 23:08:18 <rm_you> ick :/
Jun 06 23:08:24 <rm_you> doing VB now for work... it makes me squirm
Jun 06 23:08:40 <lcuk> :)
Jun 06 23:08:56 <lcuk> vb can be nice but for the stigma
Jun 06 23:09:33 <lcuk> im as fast with vb in windows as i am with c now, its all down to what api you have around and if any problem can be solved
Jun 06 23:09:37 <rm_you> it seems to be a prototyping language
Jun 06 23:09:49 <rm_you> using it for more than that might be weird :/
Jun 06 23:09:50 <lcuk> not at all, it can do some great stuff
Jun 06 23:10:18 <lcuk> its got intel compiler behind it and if you stay away from strings its fast
Jun 06 23:10:27 <lcuk> ms *
Jun 06 23:10:50 * rm_you is using VB6
Jun 06 23:11:13 <lcuk> yer me to - vb.shit blows serious chunks - its at least 5x slower
Jun 06 23:11:45 <lcuk> anyway, its weekend
Jun 06 23:12:00 * lcuk stubs out vb and picks up touch based c :)
Jun 06 23:12:08 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 23:14:18 <lopz> re
Jun 06 23:16:53 <jdiaz> hi
Jun 06 23:17:09 <jdiaz> anyone tried GNU screen for maemo?
Jun 06 23:17:41 <GeneralAntilles> Lots and lots
Jun 06 23:18:09 <jdiaz> I'm also a big fand of screen, and I was deligthed to see it has been ported
Jun 06 23:18:12 <jdiaz> however...
Jun 06 23:18:26 <jdiaz> did you manage the backspace to work?
Jun 06 23:21:27 <rm_you> hrm, i appear to have unmatched {
Jun 06 23:26:03 <rm_you> wtf
Jun 06 23:26:05 <rm_you> advanced-backlight.c:386: warning: ISO C forbids nested functions
Jun 06 23:26:11 <rm_you> I'M NOT MISSING ANY BRACKETS
Jun 06 23:26:26 <rm_you> I have three functions in a row... this one is the middle one...
Jun 06 23:26:43 <rm_you> if I comment it out, the top and bottom one don't produce that warning
Jun 06 23:26:49 <rm_you> so the problem must be in the middle one?
Jun 06 23:27:06 <jdiaz> not missing braces? sure?
Jun 06 23:27:11 <rm_you> very sure
Jun 06 23:27:18 <jdiaz> any macro?
Jun 06 23:27:19 <rm_you> no missing { } [ ] ( )
Jun 06 23:27:26 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 23:27:34 <jdiaz> unclosed comments?
Jun 06 23:27:36 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 23:27:40 <jdiaz> quotes?
Jun 06 23:27:43 <rm_you> nope
Jun 06 23:27:56 <jdiaz> can you paste the code somewhere?
Jun 06 23:28:03 <rm_you> already doing so
Jun 06 23:28:16 <rm_you> http://pastebin.ca/1040835
Jun 06 23:29:01 <rm_you> wait a minute
Jun 06 23:29:12 <jdiaz> --pedantic-errors ?
Jun 06 23:29:35 <rm_you> got it
Jun 06 23:29:46 <rm_you> the site I was reading dirent tutorial stuff from was wrong
Jun 06 23:29:59 <rm_you> they have the * in the wrong place on DIR and dirent declarations
Jun 06 23:30:11 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 06 23:30:59 <jdiaz> anyway, just for curiosity
Jun 06 23:31:07 <jdiaz> which line produced the error?
Jun 06 23:31:20 <jdiaz> (pastebin line number)
Jun 06 23:31:28 <rm_you> 01
Jun 06 23:31:40 <rm_you> that was what was confusing me
Jun 06 23:31:51 <lcuk> it was 3 and 4 as you said rm, the * was after (always goes b4)
Jun 06 23:31:58 <rm_you> yes
Jun 06 23:32:17 <rm_you> *I* know that, but the site I was reading had them after
Jun 06 23:32:19 <lcuk> hmmm at odd syntax capture by the compiler though
Jun 06 23:32:25 <rm_you> thats what I get for blindly following guides
Jun 06 23:33:15 <rm_you> wow and they declared dirent wrong
Jun 06 23:33:26 <rm_you> has to be "struct dirent *de"
Jun 06 23:33:53 <lcuk> you lookin at the one i pasted
Jun 06 23:34:03 <jdiaz> mmm
Jun 06 23:34:12 <rm_you> no
Jun 06 23:34:14 <rm_you> some other site
Jun 06 23:34:17 <jdiaz> still do not understand what was thinking the compiler
Jun 06 23:34:40 <lcuk> it thought a function pointer declaration had begun
Jun 06 23:34:52 <lcuk> void (*hello)();  is normal syntax
Jun 06 23:35:01 <lcuk> thats the only thing i can think of?
Jun 06 23:35:43 <jdiaz> very odd...
Jun 06 23:35:52 <jdiaz> I tried to reproduce the error with a minimal program
Jun 06 23:36:03 <jdiaz> main() { int i*; printf("%d\n", i);  }
Jun 06 23:36:23 <jdiaz> but I got more adequate errors
Jun 06 23:36:36 <jdiaz> error: syntax error before #*# token
Jun 06 23:36:46 <jdiaz> error: syntax error before '*' token
Jun 06 23:36:48 <rm_you> the errors I got were:
Jun 06 23:37:07 <rm_you> yes i got "advanced-backlight.c:386: error: syntax error before '*' token"
Jun 06 23:37:14 <mgedmin> i*? it's spelled *i
Jun 06 23:37:17 <rm_you> but 386 == pastebin like 01
Jun 06 23:37:24 <rm_you> *line
Jun 06 23:37:32 <rm_you> and there was a * on that line, in the correct place
Jun 06 23:37:38 <lcuk> what line number did it corrospond to
Jun 06 23:37:52 <rm_you> 386 corresponded to pastebin line 01
Jun 06 23:38:00 <jdiaz> mgedmin, I know. I was trying to see what are the compiler errors/warnigns when written as i*
Jun 06 23:38:15 <lcuk> any chance you did other edits before reaching fixing that one, or are you in an intelligent ide
Jun 06 23:38:18 * mgedmin is hunting memory leaks
Jun 06 23:38:26 <lcuk> i normally have to adjust line numbers after a few quick edits
Jun 06 23:38:31 <lcuk> ooooer mg
Jun 06 23:38:36 <mgedmin> in python
Jun 06 23:38:45 <lcuk> gulp!
Jun 06 23:38:52 <mgedmin> by drawing limited object graphs and looking for objects that shouldn't keep references to other objects
Jun 06 23:38:53 <rm_you> is VIM an intelligent IDE? :P
Jun 06 23:38:54 <mgedmin> massive fun
Jun 06 23:39:11 * mgedmin loves graphviz
Jun 06 23:39:15 <jdiaz> rm_you, I've got your error about nesting functions with my minimal program, if I use --pedantic-errors compiler option
Jun 06 23:39:18 <lcuk> i just read the code and note whats been got and not got
Jun 06 23:39:20 <rm_you> *I* think VIM is intelligent, but i don't think it fits your description
Jun 06 23:39:22 <lcuk> is it reproducable
Jun 06 23:39:41 <rm_you> ah right
Jun 06 23:39:49 <rm_you> my makefile has -pedantic in its CFLAGS
Jun 06 23:40:03 <lcuk> rm, never used it, i just use Komodo edit in windows and compile from the command line - ive gotta manually match up error line numbers with actual errors in the file
Jun 06 23:40:10 <rm_you> :(
Jun 06 23:40:11 <jdiaz> he was the culprit
Jun 06 23:40:20 <lcuk> if i have a few warnings to cure i generally effect the line count slightly
Jun 06 23:41:05 <lcuk> bi rnm the error was real
Jun 06 23:41:11 <lcuk> WOT
Jun 06 23:41:16 <lcuk> try again..
Jun 06 23:41:29 <lcuk> no rm the error was real
Jun 06 23:41:34 * mgedmin wonders if lcuk uses a version control system
Jun 06 23:41:39 * lcuk puts fingers back on home keys
Jun 06 23:42:15 <rm_you> i know... and since I suck at C, I leave it on pedantic and don't allow ANY warnings through, as I figure the compiler is smarter than I am and warning in my case generally means something bad will happen
Jun 06 23:42:15 <lcuk> no, but i back up every night onto multiple devices and have dailies going back to day 1
Jun 06 23:42:23 <ds3> does gcc -E show anything?
Jun 06 23:42:38 <ds3> sometimes stupid macros do bad things
Jun 06 23:42:47 <lcuk> good rm, keep it that way, now you fixed the problem - does it sort your list?
Jun 06 23:42:55 <rm_you> no, i hadnt included sorting yet
Jun 06 23:42:57 <rm_you> it'
Jun 06 23:42:59 <mgedmin> lcuk: you know that subversion is available natively on the tablets, right?
Jun 06 23:43:05 <rm_you> it's unsorted currently
Jun 06 23:43:11 <rm_you> now moving to do the sorting
Jun 06 23:43:23 <jdiaz> rm_you, it is enough to cure all waringns using -Wall, imho
Jun 06 23:43:31 <lcuk> ds3, the compiler gave him a proper error about syntax, we are discussing something thats sorted now and doesnt matter..
Jun 06 23:44:07 <lcuk> mgedmin, :) i did yes, but at this point im happy with how i manage it
Jun 06 23:44:41 * mgedmin was happy walking on foot until he learned to drive
Jun 06 23:44:52 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jun 06 23:45:04 <lcuk> thats a damned good analogy
Jun 06 23:45:10 * lcuk raises a cup of earl grey
Jun 06 23:45:26 <GeneralAntilles> Too hot for tea.
Jun 06 23:45:35 <rm_you> mmm, perfect temp for tea in WA
Jun 06 23:45:51 <lcuk> its fecking freezing here, ill drink molten lead if i have to
Jun 06 23:46:22 <GeneralAntilles> Woo, 33°C outside, 34°C inside.
Jun 06 23:46:32 <lcuk> quick question: should i break my tradition and do a sideways scroller?
Jun 06 23:46:42 <lcuk> im thinking about a real timeline
Jun 06 23:46:42 <jdiaz> ga, did you answered before that you use screen on maemo?
Jun 06 23:46:54 <GeneralAntilles> jdiaz, I don't use it, no.
Jun 06 23:47:02 <rm_you> I do
Jun 06 23:47:18 <jdiaz> ah, ok ga. I misunderstood you
Jun 06 23:47:29 <jdiaz> rm_you, does the backspace key works for you?
Jun 06 23:47:32 <rm_you> err
Jun 06 23:47:36 <rm_you> dunno about on the tablet
Jun 06 23:47:40 <rm_you> i only really SSH into it
Jun 06 23:47:42 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 06 23:47:52 <jdiaz> yes, over ssh it works
Jun 06 23:47:56 <lcuk> with screen i can just shift cursor onto tablet and type and click can't i
Jun 06 23:47:58 <rm_you> last time i opened a terminal ON the device was like.... 5 months ago
Jun 06 23:48:00 <jdiaz> could you try it on the tablet?
Jun 06 23:48:26 <rm_you> yeah it fails
Jun 06 23:48:28 <rm_you> use ctrl-h
Jun 06 23:48:30 <rm_you> :P
Jun 06 23:48:46 <jdiaz> no, I've found a better workaround
Jun 06 23:48:53 <rm_you> i use maemo-hackers xterm on os2008, so ctrl isn't horrible anymore
Jun 06 23:48:53 <rm_you> ?
Jun 06 23:49:06 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo xterm is a big improvement.
Jun 06 23:49:34 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, screen isn't vnc. :P http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935
Jun 06 23:49:48 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: new beta... ready for it?
Jun 06 23:49:49 <jdiaz> only was curious about whether it was a general failure
Jun 06 23:49:57 * GeneralAntilles cowers.
Jun 06 23:49:58 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: you will need to shift some stuff around
Jun 06 23:50:04 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, yeah, sure. . . .
Jun 06 23:50:06 <jdiaz> or a local one, due to my rx-44 tampering
Jun 06 23:50:16 <lcuk> no, i know that, the pointer jumps across space and into the other devices configured
Jun 06 23:50:29 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ok, create a new folder "Default" in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight
Jun 06 23:50:46 <rm_you> and move all the original png icons in there
Jun 06 23:50:56 <rm_you> and then create a folder LCARS
Jun 06 23:51:02 <jdiaz> rm_you, you may find useful to add the following line to your .screenrc
Jun 06 23:51:15 <rm_you> and put all the LCARS icons in there in there
Jun 06 23:51:16 <jdiaz> bindkey '\000' stuff '\010'
Jun 06 23:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> Weird . . . I've had a dryer sheet in my shirt all day and hadn't noticed. :\
Jun 06 23:51:21 <rm_you> LOL
Jun 06 23:51:34 <GeneralAntilles> Too darn hot. . . .
Jun 06 23:52:02 <rm_you> bindkey '\000' stuff '\010'
Jun 06 23:52:09 <rm_you> "stuff"?
Jun 06 23:52:32 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Jun 06 23:52:38 * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to move icons around.
Jun 06 23:52:39 <jdiaz> bindkey -d '\000' stuff '\010'
Jun 06 23:52:50 <jdiaz> i forgot the "-d"
Jun 06 23:53:08 <jdiaz> stuff is a "verb", I assume that means "insert the following string"
Jun 06 23:53:43 <rm_you> not working
Jun 06 23:53:46 <jdiaz> in short: when receiving an ASCII NULL from input, insert an ASCII ^H
Jun 06 23:53:48 <rm_you> put that in .screenrc?
Jun 06 23:53:53 <jdiaz> yes
Jun 06 23:54:02 <jdiaz> oh, sorry
Jun 06 23:54:04 <jdiaz> double quotes
Jun 06 23:54:08 <jdiaz> instead single ones
Jun 06 23:54:25 <jdiaz> bindkey -d "\000" stuff "\010"
Jun 06 23:54:46 <rm_you> nice
Jun 06 23:55:01 <jdiaz> "\010" is octal for 8
Jun 06 23:55:06 <jdiaz> 8 is Ctrl-H
Jun 06 23:55:09 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: got it? also note that your 1.1 png is broken
Jun 06 23:55:12 <rm_you> I had to remake it
Jun 06 23:55:24 <jdiaz> I wonder if ascii 128 would work too
Jun 06 23:55:33 <jdiaz> how is the octal for 128?
Jun 06 23:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> Broken?
Jun 06 23:55:57 <rm_you> its like... 44kb of random xml looking stuff
Jun 06 23:55:59 <rm_you> instead of a png
Jun 06 23:56:09 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine here. . . .
Jun 06 23:56:12 <GeneralAntilles> Just downloaded it.
Jun 06 23:56:15 <rm_you> look in your tar
Jun 06 23:56:25 <rm_you> adv-backlight-icon-1.1.png
Jun 06 23:56:27 <rm_you> this is for LCARs
Jun 06 23:56:30 <rm_you> sorry
Jun 06 23:56:34 <rm_you> forgot to specify
Jun 06 23:56:52 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I am.
Jun 06 23:56:55 <GeneralAntilles> It's fine. :P
Jun 06 23:57:00 <GeneralAntilles> But that's not important.
Jun 06 23:57:03 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, where's the .so!
Jun 06 23:57:04 <rm_you> i redownloaded the tar just now
Jun 06 23:57:12 <rm_you> same link as always GA
Jun 06 23:57:23 <GeneralAntilles> What, like I have that shit archived? Pffft
Jun 06 23:57:25 <jdiaz> bindkey -d "\000" stuff "\177" also work
Jun 06 23:57:25 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jun 06 23:57:27 <jdiaz> works
Jun 06 23:57:34 <rm_you> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons-lcars.zip
Jun 06 23:57:40 <rm_you> look at icon 1.1
Jun 06 23:57:44 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, I thought you meant .so link.
Jun 06 23:57:45 <rm_you> its like 100x the size
Jun 06 23:57:46 <jdiaz> it translates ASCII NULL (\000) to backspace (\177 = 127)
Jun 06 23:57:48 <rm_you> no, i did
Jun 06 23:57:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I just downloaded that ship.
Jun 06 23:57:53 <rm_you> but i decided to show you this first
Jun 06 23:57:58 <GeneralAntilles> s/ship/zip/
Jun 06 23:57:58 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Yeah, I just downloaded that zip.
Jun 06 23:57:59 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine.
Jun 06 23:58:06 <rm_you> *look*
Jun 06 23:58:10 <rm_you> at the size of 1.1
Jun 06 23:58:14 <rm_you> compared to the rest
Jun 06 23:58:23 <rm_you> just look.
Jun 06 23:58:37 <GeneralAntilles> Looking, I see it's bigger
Jun 06 23:58:41 <rm_you> it's borken
Jun 06 23:58:44 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe it's saved as psd?
Jun 06 23:58:50 <rm_you> photoshop couldnt open it
Jun 06 23:58:55 <rm_you> said it was an invalid format
Jun 06 23:59:00 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's psd
Jun 06 23:59:02 <GeneralAntilles> That's why
Jun 06 23:59:02 <jdiaz> use file
Jun 06 23:59:05 <GeneralAntilles> change the extension
Jun 06 23:59:12 <rm_you> lol
Jun 06 23:59:15 <rm_you> well, fix it
Jun 06 23:59:19 <GeneralAntilles> Preview didn't choke on it.
Jun 06 23:59:30 <rm_you> everything in windows did, and the tablet did
Jun 06 23:59:34 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 06 23:59:46 <rm_you> psd is not a universally readable format :P
Jun 06 23:59:55 <GAN800> lol
Jun 07 00:00:00 <rm_you> anyways
Jun 07 00:00:07 <GAN800> There goes the G5
Jun 07 00:00:45 <rm_you> err lol i copied that out of my command line script
Jun 07 00:01:00 <rm_you> just the first part :P
Jun 07 00:01:34 <GAN800> So hot. . . .
Jun 07 00:04:48 <GAN800> OK, I don't have a Default icon selection and LCARS is using the default icons.
Jun 07 00:05:10 <GAN800> (and the settings button makes me lol :P)
Jun 07 00:08:10 <rm_you> yeah... NOT A MENU
Jun 07 00:08:12 <rm_you> )@<)$_@($&CB()@&EYHDBI
Jun 07 00:08:25 <rm_you> GAN800: did you move things like i told you?
Jun 07 00:08:52 <GAN800> I think so.
Jun 07 00:08:53 <rm_you> in "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/"
Jun 07 00:09:03 <rm_you> you should have two folders... "Default" and "LCARS"
Jun 07 00:09:15 <GAN800> oh, no, it works fine then.
Jun 07 00:09:23 <rm_you> ?
Jun 07 00:09:49 <GAN800> I didn't unzip the zip, just moved the default set to LCARS
Jun 07 00:09:55 <rm_you> lol
Jun 07 00:10:00 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 07 00:10:10 <rm_you> well, all this will be taken care of in the installation
Jun 07 00:10:22 <GAN800> It's 95°F in here and I'm addled.
Jun 07 00:16:10 <rm_you> whats that command to make the package again?
Jun 07 00:29:38 <lcuk> ive just realised why im getting great battery performance
Jun 07 00:29:49 <lcuk> when im not at home on wifi..
Jun 07 00:30:00 <GAN800> You have a nuclear generator in you tablet?
Jun 07 00:30:15 <GAN800> s/you/your/2
Jun 07 00:30:29 <lcuk> no, i have acmonitor installed and it dims the screen for me
Jun 07 00:30:43 <lcuk> when im out on battery the screen is dimmed 2 notches
Jun 07 00:31:02 <lcuk> i knocked it up earlier and drained the battery with no wifi
Jun 07 00:31:22 <lcuk> ive not had it drain in my hand now for a few weeks
Jun 07 00:32:12 <lcuk> mine was still running well into the night at linux tag even though i had been using it the entire day
Jun 07 00:32:30 <lcuk> most others were slurping from wallwarts
Jun 07 00:42:22 <rm_you> GAN800: ok, test this package
Jun 07 00:42:37 <rm_you> GAN800: do apt-get --purge remove advanced-backlight
Jun 07 00:43:10 <rm_you> rm -rf /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/
Jun 07 00:43:22 <rm_you> and then install the deb i'm about to link you
Jun 07 00:46:26 <GAN800> ok
Jun 07 00:49:08 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: I need to make a .install
Jun 07 00:49:11 <rm_you> oh
Jun 07 00:49:11 <rm_you> wait
Jun 07 00:49:14 <rm_you> they have one
Jun 07 00:54:44 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: can you take a new screenshot and update the screenshot file?
Jun 07 00:54:50 <rm_you> and test this deb:
Jun 07 00:55:03 <rm_you> http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-1_armel.deb
Jun 07 00:55:18 <rm_you> anyone who wants to try the beta advanced-backlight, please do :P
Jun 07 00:55:21 <rm_you> need feedback
Jun 07 00:57:27 <GeneralAntilles> Working fine
Jun 07 00:57:39 <hans-castorp> has anyone ever used the "Easy" api for python?
Jun 07 00:57:47 <GeneralAntilles> But the zero backlight at least needs the capitalization fixed. :P
Jun 07 00:57:51 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 07 00:58:01 <rm_you> what is with you and the capitalization? I like it that way
Jun 07 00:58:05 <GeneralAntilles> It's ugly
Jun 07 00:58:06 <rm_you> what's wrong with it that way?
Jun 07 00:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> and there's no such thing as an "n800"
Jun 07 00:58:11 <rm_you> what do you want it to be?
Jun 07 00:58:16 <rm_you> ...
Jun 07 00:58:18 <GeneralAntilles> What is it, AZB mode?
Jun 07 00:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> "Allow zero backlight (N800 users beware!)"
Jun 07 00:58:37 <rm_you> that's the 770 you're thinking of... there is too an n800 :P
Jun 07 00:58:45 <GeneralAntilles> No, it's an N800.
Jun 07 00:58:48 <rm_you> rofl
Jun 07 00:58:50 <rm_you> fine
Jun 07 00:59:08 <GeneralAntilles> Settings are not titles.
Jun 07 00:59:24 <GeneralAntilles> So all works shouldn't be capitalized unless there's a good reason for it.
Jun 07 00:59:58 <GeneralAntilles> Like if "Allow Zero Backlight" was actually some sort of AZB mode. :P
Jun 07 01:00:15 <rm_you> there
Jun 07 01:00:27 <rm_you> a whole new revision for your capitalization >)<
Jun 07 01:00:29 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 07 01:00:47 <GeneralAntilles> You shoulda fixed it when I first told you to, then it wouldn't be an issue. :P
Jun 07 01:00:48 <hans-castorp> i really have no idea where to begin with gstreamer
Jun 07 01:01:01 <rm_you> http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb
Jun 07 01:01:25 <rm_you> i want to get a couple more people to install and test it before I upload it to extras
Jun 07 01:01:28 <lcuk> gnite :)
Jun 07 01:01:35 <rm_you> lcuk: gah
Jun 07 01:01:37 <hans-castorp> yo rm, you go to trinity?
Jun 07 01:01:44 <rm_you> lcuk: test adv-backlight first :P
Jun 07 01:01:46 <rm_you> hans-castorp: yes
Jun 07 01:01:48 <lcuk> no
Jun 07 01:01:52 <rm_you> k, night :P
Jun 07 01:02:02 <lcuk> nite, hope its stable
Jun 07 01:02:03 <hans-castorp> nice
Jun 07 01:02:12 <rm_you> hans-castorp: you know people there / live near there?
Jun 07 01:02:33 <hans-castorp> i was going to go there, visited etc. i liked it alot
Jun 07 01:02:44 <rm_you> didn't? :(
Jun 07 01:02:53 <hans-castorp> nah, im in alabama
Jun 07 01:02:56 <rm_you> heh
Jun 07 01:03:06 <rm_you> woulda been cool to have more Maemo peoples :/
Jun 07 01:03:08 <GeneralAntilles> OK, very good.
Jun 07 01:03:17 <rm_you> I've been pushing it a lot, but few takers
Jun 07 01:03:26 <hans-castorp> trinity is $$$$
Jun 07 01:03:31 <rm_you> yeah :/
Jun 07 01:03:45 <rm_you> i mean, i've been pushing Maemo a lot at trinity :P
Jun 07 01:03:59 <rm_you> you a programmer?
Jun 07 01:04:05 <hans-castorp> yeah.
Jun 07 01:04:11 <hans-castorp> though new to maemo
Jun 07 01:04:17 <rm_you> your school go to the ACM Regional programming competitions?
Jun 07 01:04:23 <hans-castorp> yeah
Jun 07 01:04:23 <rm_you> have a programming team?
Jun 07 01:04:26 <rm_you> which region?
Jun 07 01:04:27 <hans-castorp> we do
Jun 07 01:04:31 <rm_you> is it South Central?
Jun 07 01:04:39 <hans-castorp> dunno. i dont do it
Jun 07 01:04:41 <rm_you> if you go, might see you there next year :)
Jun 07 01:04:43 <hans-castorp> south east
Jun 07 01:04:46 <rm_you> ah :(
Jun 07 01:05:02 <hans-castorp> hmm. yeah too bad.
Jun 07 01:05:16 <hans-castorp> i'm working on a python app to stream music from seeqpod
Jun 07 01:05:33 <rm_you> oh, did you meet Dr. Lewis then? :P
Jun 07 01:05:37 <rm_you> if you went to one of the visits
Jun 07 01:06:02 <hans-castorp> hmm maybe
Jun 07 01:06:04 <rm_you> been trying to get him to buy an N8x0 :P he has a Zaurus CL-5500, but he never used it :/
Jun 07 01:06:06 <hans-castorp> i go to the acm meetings
Jun 07 01:06:16 <rm_you> he's basically the awesome
Jun 07 01:06:17 <hans-castorp> yeah i've got a zaurus c1000
Jun 07 01:06:30 <rm_you> nice, i wanted one but by the time i had the money, n800 was too appealing
Jun 07 01:06:40 <hans-castorp> using it as a server now though, nokia is more functional imo
Jun 07 01:06:45 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 07 01:06:56 <hans-castorp> well maybe not functional, but easier to use on the go
Jun 07 01:07:00 <rm_you> i had a CL5500, but the battery died (like 99% of the rest of the people who had one)
Jun 07 01:07:24 <hans-castorp> are the zaurii even made anymore?
Jun 07 01:08:32 <rm_you> yeah, i think Sharp still makes em...
Jun 07 01:08:42 <rm_you> well, the C3x00 series prolly
Jun 07 01:09:17 <rm_you> ah no
Jun 07 01:09:41 <rm_you> according to Wikipedia, "In January 2007, it was reported that Sharp would discontinue production of the Zaurus line after February 2007."
Jun 07 01:09:59 <hans-castorp> they're good machines. i've got apache, php, and mysql running several web apps and its rock solid
Jun 07 01:10:10 <hans-castorp> and uses like 5 watts ;P
Jun 07 01:10:23 <rm_you> yeah i wish I had a Cxx00 when they were actually new
Jun 07 01:10:27 <rm_you> that would have rocked
Jun 07 01:10:35 <rm_you> but alas, I was a poor highschool student at the time
Jun 07 01:10:51 <hans-castorp> yeh me too. thanks daddy!!
Jun 07 01:10:59 <rm_you> heh
Jun 07 01:11:09 <rm_you> my parents are like "technology, wait what?"
Jun 07 01:11:21 <rm_you> my father still calls me to ask how to check his email
Jun 07 01:11:43 <hans-castorp> lol
Jun 07 01:12:19 <rm_you> hans-castorp: test http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb
Jun 07 01:12:48 <hans-castorp> yo. i'm running kde?
Jun 07 01:12:52 <rm_you> ah lol
Jun 07 01:13:00 <rm_you> might still work? >_>
Jun 07 01:13:06 <rm_you> test! :P
Jun 07 01:13:11 * rm_you wants to know if it works
Jun 07 01:13:11 <hans-castorp> ok
Jun 07 01:14:02 <GeneralAntilles> My dad has thankfully figured that out since he gets about 200 emails a day.
Jun 07 01:14:08 <rm_you> heh
Jun 07 01:14:33 <hans-castorp> home/user # dpkg -i advanced-backlight_0.9-2_armel.deb
Jun 07 01:14:33 <hans-castorp> dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.
Jun 07 01:14:33 <hans-castorp> dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH.
Jun 07 01:14:33 <hans-castorp> dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH.
Jun 07 01:14:33 <hans-castorp> dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
Jun 07 01:14:34 <hans-castorp> dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
Jun 07 01:14:36 <hans-castorp> NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
Jun 07 01:15:00 <hans-castorp> just point him to gmail or something
Jun 07 01:15:34 <hans-castorp>  iwant to get      a mail server up and running on my zaurus. for kicks
Jun 07 01:15:58 <rm_you> he IS using gmail
Jun 07 01:16:04 <hans-castorp> lol
Jun 07 01:16:14 <rm_you> he couldnt find the icon i made him on his desktop :/
Jun 07 01:16:27 <rm_you> hans-castorp: err
Jun 07 01:16:43 <rm_you> hans-castorp: you're using your nokia device, right? :P
Jun 07 01:16:47 <rm_you> lol
Jun 07 01:16:51 <hans-castorp> yeah
Jun 07 01:16:58 <rm_you> ldconfig!?
Jun 07 01:17:03 <hans-castorp> just downloaded to /home/user
Jun 07 01:17:06 <hans-castorp> was root
Jun 07 01:17:11 <hans-castorp> dpkg -i thedeb
Jun 07 01:17:14 <rm_you> <_<
Jun 07 01:17:15 <hans-castorp> i'm in kde
Jun 07 01:17:24 <rm_you> is kde like..
Jun 07 01:17:31 <rm_you> based on debian?
Jun 07 01:17:45 <rm_you> like, using johnx' debian or something?
Jun 07 01:17:54 <hans-castorp> yeah it is just a desktop manager. i have debian installed, u want me to try it in that?
Jun 07 01:17:59 <rm_you> no
Jun 07 01:18:07 <rm_you> I thought KDE just went on top of ITOS2008
Jun 07 01:18:11 <rm_you> apparently not
Jun 07 01:18:34 <hans-castorp> i really dont know what penguinbait did to make it work
Jun 07 01:18:47 <rm_you> is there a "preinstall"?
Jun 07 01:18:51 <rm_you> theres a postinstall...
Jun 07 01:19:11 <hans-castorp> i'll try it later in hildon see if it makes a difference
Jun 07 01:19:47 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, you should be on the list to edit the Downloads entry.
Jun 07 01:19:50 <GeneralAntilles> See if you can.
Jun 07 01:20:01 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: what?
Jun 07 01:20:12 <GeneralAntilles> You wanted more screenshots for that, right?
Jun 07 01:23:32 <rm_you> I was talking about the ITT forum post
Jun 07 01:23:39 <rm_you> the old screenshot doesnt have the settings button
Jun 07 01:23:56 <GeneralAntilles> Oh http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-screeshot3.jpg you can add to it.
Jun 07 01:24:17 <GeneralAntilles> The other's been updated.
Jun 07 01:24:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha . . . 6 lines of thanks.
Jun 07 01:26:38 <GeneralAntilles> Is 0.9 in Extras yet?
Jun 07 01:30:35 <Deka> 'sup
Jun 07 01:32:52 <hans-castorp> yo
Jun 07 01:33:36 <hans-castorp> has anyone used the "Easy" api for python on maemo?
Jun 07 01:34:46 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: my extras broke again >_>
Jun 07 01:34:50 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: same error
Jun 07 01:34:59 <rm_you> dunno wtf
Jun 07 01:35:38 <rm_you> nm works now
Jun 07 01:35:42 <rm_you> random
Jun 07 01:35:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jun 07 01:35:59 <rm_you> ok should be in the repo
Jun 07 01:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> * New LCARS icon set.
Jun 07 01:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> * Settings dialog.
Jun 07 01:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> ** Icons set selection.
Jun 07 01:36:03 <GeneralAntilles> ** Option disallow (or allow) turning off the backlight.
Jun 07 01:36:03 <GeneralAntilles> * Hardware key support (brightness is left/right, volume is up/down and close is escape).
Jun 07 01:36:04 <rm_you> will take time to propogate
Jun 07 01:36:06 <GeneralAntilles> Sound right?
Jun 07 01:36:16 <GeneralAntilles> Also, link to .install?
Jun 07 01:36:20 <rm_you> did that
Jun 07 01:36:23 <rm_you> look at the page
Jun 07 01:37:09 <GeneralAntilles> Did what, updated the Downloads entry?
Jun 07 01:37:17 <rm_you> no, the forum post
Jun 07 01:37:24 <rm_you> wtf do you keep babbling about
Jun 07 01:37:31 <rm_you> lol
Jun 07 01:37:43 <GeneralAntilles> The entry on maemo Downloads.
Jun 07 01:38:12 <rm_you> we have one?
Jun 07 01:38:19 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I added one a few weeks ago.
Jun 07 01:38:38 <hans-castorp> has anyone used gstreamer?
Jun 07 01:40:01 <rm_you> how do i get to that
Jun 07 01:41:04 <GeneralAntilles> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/ff9dd6ec2c0211dd91ec9b6c02e556895689.html
Jun 07 01:41:43 <rm_you> wtf category is it
Jun 07 01:41:49 <rm_you> why isnt it Desktop Environment?
Jun 07 01:41:54 <GeneralAntilles> It is. . . .
Jun 07 01:42:03 <rm_you> ah multiple pages
Jun 07 01:42:08 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Jun 07 01:42:50 <rm_you> you already fix it?
Jun 07 01:43:22 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jun 07 01:44:10 <rm_you> we need a wiki page
Jun 07 01:44:21 <GAN800> For what?
Jun 07 01:48:26 <rm_you> cool
Jun 07 01:48:28 <rm_you> looks good
Jun 07 01:48:36 * rm_you sits back and takes a breather
Jun 07 01:48:41 <hans-castorp> ah
Jun 07 02:00:56 <Deka> Ok I have a reset loop
Jun 07 02:01:04 <Deka> The blue bar gets halfway across and then starts over again
Jun 07 02:04:44 <Deka> I took the battery out to reset and it is still in the reset loop
Jun 07 02:04:54 <hans-castorp> weird
Jun 07 02:05:02 <Deka> How do I do a safe reset
Jun 07 02:05:29 <hans-castorp> can u do shutdown -r ?
Jun 07 02:05:43 <Deka> I do not get beyond the NOKIA screen
Jun 07 02:05:53 <GeneralAntilles> On what?
Jun 07 02:05:56 <Deka> N800
Jun 07 02:06:11 <GeneralAntilles> Chinook?
Jun 07 02:06:12 <hans-castorp> wow. what did u do to it :P
Jun 07 02:06:33 <Deka> Tried USB keyboard. Keyboard worked fine for a few hours, unplugging it causes the reboot
Jun 07 02:06:42 <Deka> Yes, Chinook 4.0
Jun 07 02:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the mostly likely story is that you did something.
Jun 07 02:07:02 <Anunakin> Any... how I can setup R&D mode on my N810, a pre hacked to have dual boot?
Jun 07 02:07:10 <GeneralAntilles> Why do you want it, Anunakin?
Jun 07 02:07:27 <Anunakin> to try with the qemu emulator...
Jun 07 02:07:29 <Deka> I know I did something. I don't know how to undid it
Jun 07 02:08:03 <GeneralAntilles> Deka, do you have fanoush's initfs installed?
Jun 07 02:08:14 <Deka> I do not know that that is therefore no
Jun 07 02:09:02 <hans-castorp> deka what were u working on?
Jun 07 02:09:29 <Deka> Was using the USB-Control application and Chat with a USB keyboard
Jun 07 02:09:53 <hans-castorp> well shit, i wish there was a verbose boot
Jun 07 02:10:11 <Deka> Just need to know how to boot in safe mode
Jun 07 02:10:38 <hans-castorp> yeah i dunno
Jun 07 02:11:24 <GeneralAntilles> Your first step shoud've been to install fanoush's initfs so you can get usbnet and ssh/telnet without having to boot the rootfs. ;)
Jun 07 02:11:44 <hans-castorp> how can he install that in a boot loop?
Jun 07 02:11:48 <Deka> Where was this documented?
Jun 07 02:11:51 <hans-castorp> but yeah, that would make it easier
Jun 07 02:11:59 <GeneralAntilles> Deka, a variety of places.
Jun 07 02:12:08 <GeneralAntilles> I may have the jffs2 image somewhere.
Jun 07 02:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I do have the jffs2 image which you can flash with the flasher tool in Linux
Jun 07 02:12:45 <hans-castorp> maemo has crashed on me quite a few times, and i've been pretty f'in rough with it, but ive never had the problem u have had. i would submit it as a bug
Jun 07 02:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> Few disclaimers, anything that happens I can not be held responsible for. ;)
Jun 07 02:13:01 <acydlord> I have an exciting weekend ahead of me, i think i'm gonna make greasmoneky scripts for my most visited sites so they will fit in portrait mode
Jun 07 02:13:06 <GeneralAntilles> hans-castorp, I wouldn't.
Jun 07 02:13:18 <GeneralAntilles> There's no bug material there. Nothing reproducible.
Jun 07 02:13:22 <Deka> Ehn. I haven't backed up crap
Jun 07 02:13:44 <hans-castorp> yeah good call
Jun 07 02:14:12 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, flash this initfs image http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/initfs.new.jffs2.zip
Jun 07 02:14:36 <Deka> Can I flash from Cygwin?
Jun 07 02:14:46 <GeneralAntilles> Uh
Jun 07 02:14:47 <GeneralAntilles> Windows
Jun 07 02:14:49 <Deka> Vista
Jun 07 02:14:52 <GeneralAntilles> Well, you could try, I suppose.
Jun 07 02:14:59 <acydlord> it's doable
Jun 07 02:15:00 <GeneralAntilles> But you'll have to figure that bit out on your own.
Jun 07 02:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> lol . . . Vista
Jun 07 02:16:42 * GeneralAntilles shakes head.
Jun 07 02:16:54 <hans-castorp> lol
Jun 07 02:17:06 <acydlord> i have my windows7 beta on my coffee table
Jun 07 02:17:19 <acydlord> probably shouldnt be using msdn perks as coasters
Jun 07 02:17:20 <hans-castorp> how is it?
Jun 07 02:17:32 <Deka> I know. But work has applications that will not run on XP
Jun 07 02:17:45 <acydlord> it is absorbant =x
Jun 07 02:17:56 <hans-castorp> very nice
Jun 07 02:18:12 <Deka> Which in retrospect is a bit ironic
Jun 07 02:18:20 <hans-castorp> lulz
Jun 07 02:31:19 <acydlord> tis quiet in here now
Jun 07 02:31:29 <Dekaritae> We are solving problems
Jun 07 02:40:58 <GeneralAntilles> Who is the idiot editing the wiki from the 70.x.x.x IP?
Jun 07 02:42:06 <Dekaritae> I don't wiki
Jun 07 02:45:14 <hans-castorp> what did they put?
Jun 07 02:45:44 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid nonsense in the brainstorm page
Jun 07 02:46:16 <GeneralAntilles> Where it really doesn't belong anyway.
Jun 07 02:46:57 <GeneralAntilles> Stuff like "A "council" is a lousy way to run a website. Put someone in charge." under the Community Council heading.
Jun 07 02:47:45 <GeneralAntilles> This is my favorite: http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days#Enable_Account_Registration
Jun 07 02:52:43 <hans-castorp> lol
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