**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 07 02:59:56 2008 Jun 07 03:01:33 hi Jun 07 03:01:54 can anyone help me get python 2.5 on my n800? Jun 07 03:05:30 zerosum, did you ever flash OS2008 Jun 07 03:05:38 yes Jun 07 03:07:14 any idea what RD mode is? Jun 07 03:07:41 not important Jun 07 03:07:58 Just install something that depends on Python. Jun 07 03:08:05 Like Canola. Jun 07 03:09:38 cool so it download dependceces? Jun 07 03:13:29 thanks that did it Jun 07 03:13:34 2.5.2 Jun 07 03:35:22 yeo whats up Jun 07 04:12:45 anyone used gstreamer? Jun 07 04:16:57 hey guys Jun 07 04:24:28 is there something wrong with all maemo repos that I cant dl any updates? Jun 07 04:25:30 werd Jun 07 04:25:34 i dunno Jun 07 04:28:06 yeah, I know. i can update the catalogs, but if I pick anything from updates or from installable, it fails to dl. I can surf, dl and install debs, everything, but not from the pkg manager. Jun 07 04:35:45 Your internal card is corrupted. Format it. Jun 07 04:37:08 GAN800: nooooooooooooo. dont say it! Jun 07 04:37:50 how can I prevent that from happening again? Jun 07 04:38:00 N810? Jun 07 04:38:27 N800, OS 2008, booting off an 8GB SDHC card Jun 07 04:39:07 Variety of ways it become corrupted. Jun 07 04:39:23 FAT isn't known for its robustness. Jun 07 04:39:44 It's just the FAT partition, so there's ni need to nuke the whole card. Jun 07 04:40:46 so I can pop it into my xp laptop and format the fat partition? Jun 07 04:41:08 or just fsck it. Jun 07 04:42:05 i dont remember, is fsck in OS2008? Jun 07 04:42:48 I don't recall offhand, I'd save time thinking about it and just do it from the laptop. ;) Jun 07 04:52:07 Does anyone have experience with gtk_text_view and has time to help with what I hope is a simple question? Jun 07 04:56:55 anyone have a good theme/background to use with rotate? Jun 07 04:57:15 There's no theme that supports 480x800 Jun 07 04:57:25 That's not really a theme-level issue, anyway. Jun 07 04:57:55 GeneralAntilles: do you actually sleep sometimes? Jun 07 04:58:03 Frequently, why? Jun 07 04:58:22 well I find you here answering questions 24/7 :) Jun 07 04:58:31 i guess it mostly is the background i'm using that makes my theme look like crap Jun 07 04:58:51 Well, I slept this morning from 2 to 11. Jun 07 04:58:59 Schedule just isn't very regular lately. Jun 07 04:59:16 so whats a good background size? Jun 07 04:59:27 my sleep schedule is all over the place Jun 07 05:00:15 When you're only taking 9 hours and 6 of those are online, you can afford to sleep when you feel like it. :P Jun 07 05:01:57 GAN800: I have the same troubles in the OS2008 that is in flash. Jun 07 05:02:22 The Application manager caches to mmc2 Jun 07 05:02:40 and doesn't fail gracefully if mmc2 is set read-only (as it is in the case of corruption) Jun 07 05:03:04 even in the flash installed OS? Jun 07 05:03:07 See, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2797 Jun 07 05:03:13 ok ty Jun 07 05:03:15 It doesn't matter where you're booting from. Jun 07 05:03:21 It caches to whatever is mmc2. Jun 07 05:03:33 Which is generally the first FAT partition on the internal card. Jun 07 05:03:49 The quick-fix is to just remove the card. ;) Jun 07 05:04:01 The real fix is to fix the corrupted partition. Jun 07 05:04:04 lol...I just was asking that :) Jun 07 05:04:13 It's a stupid bug Jun 07 05:04:23 and at the very least, it should give you a real error message Jun 07 05:04:27 But, it is what it is. . . . Jun 07 05:05:05 I dont have a linux box anymore. so I have to redo my partitions on the card to fix this then right? no fsck in the tablet... Jun 07 05:05:24 Pop it in the XP machine and run checkdisk on the card. Jun 07 05:05:29 I'm assuming it'll pick up the FAT partition. Jun 07 05:05:54 cool. hopefully Vista will too. Jun 07 05:05:58 thanks. Jun 07 05:06:15 there's a way to format FAT onto a card from w/in maemo isn't there? Jun 07 05:06:22 No guarantees, though, I haven't paid a lick of attention to anything newer than 98 in at least 3 years. Jun 07 05:07:23 I'm still chained to them, but hey, I got all their flagship desktop stuff for free at least! Jun 07 05:10:23 yay. Vista sees it. lets see if it can fix it now.... Jun 07 05:20:46 now I see why I could never get 3GB of maps onto my tablet. the folder is on the fat partition and its only 256MB! Jun 07 05:20:57 Ha Jun 07 05:21:43 i wish there were better error messages! I spent 16 hours 3 times trying to get the maps! Jun 07 05:23:07 <_< Jun 07 05:23:37 Maemo Mapper I'm assuming? Jun 07 05:23:48 yup Jun 07 05:23:57 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=185&group_id=29&func=browse Jun 07 05:24:04 File a bug if there isn't already one. Jun 07 05:31:39 bed time for me. I'll see in the am if its ok. thanks. and I'll look into the mapper bug too. gn Jun 07 06:01:46 GeneralAntilles: do... assistanty stuff Jun 07 06:01:58 prioritize TODOs Jun 07 06:02:06 :P Jun 07 06:02:15 first: build in a web browser Jun 07 06:02:20 johnx: lol Jun 07 06:02:31 if you can embed widgets, embed a gtkhtml view :) Jun 07 06:02:42 ... technically possible Jun 07 06:02:57 * rm_you adds a "john" button that expands the box out with a web pane Jun 07 06:04:12 but really, what are the TODOs? Jun 07 06:04:51 ^ Jun 07 06:05:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 Jun 07 06:05:09 TODO: Fix GA's AC. Jun 07 06:05:32 anyone here mess with android? Jun 07 06:05:41 * rm_you looks at johnx Jun 07 06:05:56 fysa, yeah, on the zaurus Jun 07 06:06:08 GA, bring me a beer and you can sit in the AC here all day :D Jun 07 06:06:31 * rm_you would totally do that if that was all it took to sit around there :P Jun 07 06:06:47 TODO: Buy GA a plane ticket to Japan. Jun 07 06:07:15 I'll fill all my luggage with Cheerios. :P Jun 07 06:07:17 fysa, gonna try and get it working on the n8x0? Jun 07 06:07:23 GAN800, woo! Jun 07 06:07:27 done deal Jun 07 06:07:28 johnx: you install the new Advbacklight applet yet? Jun 07 06:07:37 I've been following the Android Internals group and seems to be close to a kernel flash and a partition/untar if you're using bootmenu. Jun 07 06:07:52 rm_you, volume beep is what I would focus on next. Jun 07 06:07:54 to get 'up to speed' anyway. Jun 07 06:07:56 rm_you, I don't really use adv backlight O_o Jun 07 06:08:02 johnx: :) Jun 07 06:08:13 s/)/O/ Jun 07 06:08:14 rm_you meant: johnx: :O Jun 07 06:08:21 lol Jun 07 06:08:27 http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals Jun 07 06:08:51 johnx just puts on his cooool sunglasses. Jun 07 06:09:04 fysa, yup. I looked at that quite a bit right around release Jun 07 06:09:16 rm_you, sorry...I'll try it now Jun 07 06:09:20 lol Jun 07 06:09:28 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/advanced-backlight.install Jun 07 06:09:55 GeneralAntilles: work on designing another set of icons :P Jun 07 06:10:00 fysa, I think I'll start picking it up more seriously when there is more source to play with Jun 07 06:10:01 GeneralAntilles: with a different feel to them Jun 07 06:10:16 so we can have an alternative iconset Jun 07 06:10:24 a VM for android that let things run in X would be very interesting I think Jun 07 06:10:41 like maybe a crystal theme Jun 07 06:11:00 I could do one that's entirely based on Nokia defaults. Jun 07 06:11:07 agreed Jun 07 06:11:13 :/ Jun 07 06:11:20 AND a crystal theme? :P Jun 07 06:11:26 cmon, be all graphc designy :P Jun 07 06:11:28 But I don't much see the point of deviating from the Nokia look. Jun 07 06:11:38 find the next most popular theme Jun 07 06:11:44 like... plankton, i dunno Jun 07 06:11:47 vista theme! Jun 07 06:11:49 and make one that jives with that Jun 07 06:11:53 The idea is to integrate, not stand out. :P Jun 07 06:11:58 right Jun 07 06:12:05 so the more people Jun 07 06:12:12 It's down to LCARS and default. Jun 07 06:12:22 s/people/people's themes we integrate with, the more popular the applet will be/ Jun 07 06:12:23 rm_you meant: so the more people's themes we integrate with, the more popular the applet will be Jun 07 06:12:41 unless you want an OS2007 set. Jun 07 06:12:45 <_< Jun 07 06:13:02 what is priority on 770 support? Jun 07 06:13:23 No, theme integration I can do, but there aren't many themes that replace the statusbar icons rights now. ;) Jun 07 06:13:26 loww Jun 07 06:13:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma5VdDx_0K4 Jun 07 06:13:38 Since it's kernel hacking and ish Jun 07 06:13:44 eh Jun 07 06:13:52 GAN800: but, they dont have to replace them Jun 07 06:13:59 i'm saying, just make it FEEL better in those themes Jun 07 06:14:12 come up with an alternative way of displaying the dual stuff Jun 07 06:14:13 i dunno Jun 07 06:14:23 actually, i have an interesting idea for an iconset i might do Jun 07 06:16:00 johnx, android running within maemo looks like? Jun 07 06:16:08 "There are again stability problem but the m3-rc37a is more responsive... Jun 07 06:16:08 In the last versione I wait around 10-15 sec between the click to browser Jun 07 06:16:08 icon and the Google page but maybe is caused by memory problem (I launch Jun 07 06:16:08 Android with Maemo running and with only 40MB free). " Jun 07 06:16:47 I'll do theme-based sets, and I'll do remixes on the integration theme, but new sets for the sake of new sets (ala omweather) don't really fit with the whole applet deal. :P Jun 07 06:16:56 heh Jun 07 06:17:13 i'm gonna make another package for iconsets Jun 07 06:17:13 fysa, well not really within maemo, since AFAIK android writes directly the the framebuffer Jun 07 06:17:19 and throw LCARS and few others in there Jun 07 06:17:22 OK, here we go. Jun 07 06:17:30 I need to script the .png export first, though. Jun 07 06:17:31 they disable X and other services to free memory. Jun 07 06:17:45 lol Jun 07 06:18:18 50MB of usage + 80MB for maemo and android isn't very happy. Jun 07 06:18:24 sorry, 50MB of android usage Jun 07 06:18:55 stop X/other junk and maemo takes 60MB. Jun 07 06:19:27 should be able to spin a much more minimal android rootfs... Jun 07 06:19:35 that's the way it's done on the zaurus Jun 07 06:19:42 but then wifi becomes a pain Jun 07 06:19:50 M5? Jun 07 06:20:10 haven't looked at it yet Jun 07 06:21:48 OK, rm_you, todos in order of priority. Volume beep, proper hildon menu, volume crash, code cleanup, N810 light meter support, 770 support, settings items. Jun 07 06:22:06 settings items? Jun 07 06:22:16 The links to the Control panels. Jun 07 06:22:22 Like the stock Nokia applets have. Jun 07 06:22:22 ah right Jun 07 06:22:27 volume beep? Jun 07 06:22:28 seriously? Jun 07 06:22:45 well, i know how to fix it Jun 07 06:22:47 so sure Jun 07 06:22:47 Well, mostly because it's the easiest. Jun 07 06:22:58 Drop it into the settings dialog, too. Jun 07 06:23:03 k Jun 07 06:23:28 well Jun 07 06:23:33 Everything else either depends on something (settings links depend on proper hildon menu) or is larger in scale. Jun 07 06:23:34 priority really doesnt matter much Jun 07 06:23:45 well, here's the only thing i have to say about releases: Jun 07 06:23:57 I will release 1.0 when it is in a proper menu. Jun 07 06:24:02 There, adv-backlight bug triaging done. :P Jun 07 06:24:13 I'm not moving it stable until that Jun 07 06:24:23 Do you want to actually use the garage's bug/feature tracker? Jun 07 06:24:29 yeah Jun 07 06:24:32 'cause I can move this stuff in there if you do. Jun 07 06:24:33 i sort of set it up Jun 07 06:24:39 fix that Jun 07 06:25:11 The Garage stuff is so ugly. <_< Jun 07 06:25:43 Another item for the 100 Days agenda: Make Garage less suck. Jun 07 06:26:33 lol Jun 07 06:26:36 meh Jun 07 06:26:49 i want that transparency thing up Jun 07 06:26:57 also, saddened by Quim's reaction to our bug Jun 07 06:27:06 i see that you replied and said what I did in a more eloquent fashion :P Jun 07 06:27:40 Eh, it is what it is. Jun 07 06:27:49 I was expecting worse, personally. ;) Jun 07 06:28:11 At least somebody said something, and better that that somebody was Quim. Jun 07 06:28:37 quim should idle IRC Jun 07 06:28:41 and then sometimes not be idle :P Jun 07 06:28:56 Ha Jun 07 06:29:03 He does drop in every once and a while Jun 07 06:29:33 Is there some missing documentation bug you could file that would get us the information we need more easily than requesting the source directly? Jun 07 06:29:41 so he doesnt have to go many days in one train of thought Jun 07 06:29:42 what's that bug number again? Jun 07 06:29:50 he could just finish a conversation about something in 5 minutes Jun 07 06:29:51 3199 Jun 07 06:30:24 rm_you, just think what it was like 20 years ago. <_< Jun 07 06:30:56 lol... no :P Jun 07 06:31:04 i refuse Jun 07 06:31:05 Yeah, me neither. :) Jun 07 06:31:14 s/:/;/ Jun 07 06:31:32 bad infobot Jun 07 06:31:50 He's sleeping. Jun 07 06:32:13 yeah...that's a pretty direct response :/ Jun 07 06:32:20 ouch Jun 07 06:32:30 Anyway, help me get rolling on the source stuff wiki-side and we might make more progress. ;) Jun 07 06:32:32 he doesn't actually understand our problem :( Jun 07 06:32:56 Well, the original comment wasn't exactly verbose. :P Jun 07 06:33:12 yeah, but it also doesn't sound very positive with regards to opening any parts of the UI even as small as a statusbar plugin Jun 07 06:33:22 I need to make the templates on the wiki not suck. Jun 07 06:33:42 Not his decision, unfortunately. Jun 07 06:33:57 ok, adv bl wins just cause it's easier to hit the mute area Jun 07 06:34:12 congrats, you won a lot on my statusbar Jun 07 06:34:29 Oh, center-dpad mutes/unmutes, too. Jun 07 06:35:34 rm_you, have you looked into the N810 brightness stuff at all yet? Jun 07 06:35:51 I wondering how straightforward it'll be to supplant the Nokia implementation. Jun 07 06:36:22 We technically have everything we need to do it, but I'm thinking there are going to be collision issues with the Nokia stuff. Jun 07 06:48:07 back Jun 07 07:11:44 GAN800: nomis Jun 07 07:11:46 err Jun 07 07:11:47 no Jun 07 07:11:48 lol Jun 07 07:12:25 <_< Jun 07 07:12:54 Don't you wish you could tab-complete everything sometimes? Jun 07 07:13:26 yes Jun 07 07:30:15 GAN800: sometimes i wish i could tab-complete the world Jun 07 07:30:26 especially when speaking to people Jun 07 07:30:27 :P Jun 07 08:02:15 Stskeeps: why cant you? Jun 07 08:02:24 er er, multifail Jun 07 08:02:56 * Ave was just remapping the rx-44 xkb-file so tab would work nicely.. Jun 07 08:27:39 8 Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition can work ? Jun 07 08:37:29 GAN800: I guess I'll look at N810 light sensor support and do the system beep for the 9b release Jun 07 08:37:47 did you set up that stuff on the garage? Jun 07 08:44:56 rm_you, Congrats, I updated my repo list in app manager and I saw that the poking paid off :P :) Jun 07 08:45:15 qwerty12: :P Jun 07 08:45:26 and 0.9 release is sweet :) Jun 07 08:45:47 Ooh, it's a new version, I didn't notice :) Jun 07 08:46:36 I need to reinstall the rotation xomap, I have a blank space where the little rotation arrow would be in my statusbar Jun 07 08:48:03 supports LCARS iconset now Jun 07 08:48:45 Ah cool. I really need a black theme but LCARS and me don't agree :/ Jun 07 08:49:23 * qwerty12 has finally stopped being lazy and started to add user/ to the section of all the debs he makes Jun 07 08:49:50 heh Jun 07 08:56:01 qwerty: check fms.komkon.org/Mameo btw Jun 07 08:56:09 is it working again? Jun 07 08:56:13 yea Jun 07 08:56:14 i tried to use it today and it was broken Jun 07 08:56:17 :( Jun 07 08:56:26 PHP/Apache tandem broke up Jun 07 08:56:42 Dunno why. But it's fixed now. Jun 07 08:56:53 RST38h, Brilliant, thanks, working great with parameters Jun 07 08:58:21 whats a goodpage to show someone who i'm introducing to the n8x0 Jun 07 08:58:58 Internet tablet school? Jun 07 08:59:17 Not Internet Tablet Talk, probably scare them away with the high CPU Jun 07 09:07:07 Typical, I upgrade to kernel .18 1/2 days ago and now there is .19 Jun 07 09:07:10 rm_yuo: Nokia has got a product page Jun 07 09:07:37 rm_yo: True :P Jun 07 09:07:43 qwerty: "How do you know you have no real life? --- You are compiling Linux kernel on daily basis" Jun 07 09:08:32 Hehe, I think I fall into that category. You won't believe the amount of stuff I did to my N800 kernel >.< Jun 07 09:08:44 see? ;) Jun 07 09:09:13 I'm a geek :O. The horror! (like you didn't already know) Jun 07 09:09:49 The suffering! Jun 07 09:24:14 morning Jun 07 09:24:32 morning Jun 07 09:25:15 how are you qwerty12 Jun 07 09:25:23 ? Jun 07 09:25:25 I'm fine thanks, how about you? Jun 07 09:26:39 not bad, nice free weekend :) Jun 07 09:27:38 Heh, yeah, needed the lie in, I've been watching too much TV and going to sleep @ 1AM for the past 2 weeks :D Jun 07 09:28:12 I used to do that, you loose so much of the day getting up late though, not worth it (he says now ;) Jun 07 09:28:31 but they always put the good TV on late Jun 07 09:29:08 Heh, yeah. Except for ITV now, it's all that bingo rubbish Jun 07 09:29:34 if ITV stopped transmitting one day I don't think I'd even notice Jun 07 09:29:52 * lardman doesn't watch soaps Jun 07 09:30:12 * lardman 's gf does though, so I bet I'd hear about it! Jun 07 09:30:16 True, I don't really watch ITV at all anymore. Jun 07 09:30:21 * qwerty12 watches eastenders Jun 07 09:30:22 heh Jun 07 09:31:44 so what's new in diablo-world? Jun 07 09:32:22 No idea :/ Jun 07 09:32:32 * qwerty12 hates and loves SSU Jun 07 09:32:52 get a pvr, watch tv on your own time Jun 07 09:33:25 tank-man: Got one, otherwise I'd never get round to watching anything Jun 07 09:35:16 Although flash is really annoying, I'm glad I'm running 32-bit Linux so I can at least see it :) Jun 07 09:35:43 Be glad you aren't running firefox 3.0 :/ (I think anyway :P) Jun 07 09:36:08 I am Jun 07 09:36:16 Just on my desktop ;) Jun 07 09:36:40 I should have thought twice before upgrading to hardy and installing pulseaudio Jun 07 09:37:02 ah? Jun 07 09:37:04 is it broken? Jun 07 09:38:09 Not really broken, hardy just comes with firefox 3 which has got to be the most crash prone POS i've ever seen. pulseaudio was something of my own choice but compatibility with apps has gone way down. Jun 07 09:38:09 * lcuk stumbles in with a brew Jun 07 09:38:56 * lcuk offers tea/coffee/vodka Jun 07 09:39:25 I can't/don't drink none :P Jun 07 09:39:31 I find the bloody filemanager in Hardy crashes all the time, and takes every window with it Jun 07 09:39:43 ok then qwerty, for you ive got some cordial Jun 07 09:39:56 I'm still tempted to go back to KDE Jun 07 09:40:15 lardman, it craps out when opening my home folder too. The only thing nice about the new nautillus is merge. Jun 07 09:40:16 lard, is it the filemanager, or your entire machine Jun 07 09:40:20 lcuk, Ta Jun 07 09:40:38 you said before its flakey Jun 07 09:40:49 lcuk: well the whole machine seems ok now (since upgrading), touch wood! Jun 07 09:40:59 good good Jun 07 09:41:00 lcuk: I think that was driver problems Jun 07 09:41:27 story of our life... Jun 07 09:41:43 What I did like about hardy was that installing fglrx wouldn't mess up the machine like it did in gutsy. in gutsy, I had to make new Xorg.conf Jun 07 09:42:12 The one thing still broken in Hardy, which worked in whichever one it upgraded from, is the screen res on my second monitor Jun 07 09:42:30 it refuses to listen to xorg.conf and has some rubbish low res Jun 07 09:42:38 I should probably read the log file really Jun 07 09:43:14 heh, the first monitor on mine wouldnt play ball properly - when i installed nvidia drivers it decided tv out was the default Jun 07 09:45:12 * qwerty12 goes to compile carwhisperer and puts on evil grin. Jun 07 09:45:43 lardman, you haven't got a problem with your edid.bin settings file have you Jun 07 09:45:51 qwerty12: let me know how it works, I was thinking that would be fun :) Jun 07 09:46:05 lcuk: I don;t even know what that is Jun 07 09:46:55 ah, info returned by device? Jun 07 09:47:00 well its the settings file that the nvidia driver uses for timings and resolutions, its normally right, but its wrong for my laptop and would not give me a higher res Jun 07 09:47:15 lardman, Will do. it compiled beautifully, just need to compare the hcid.conf from the N800 with the one in the carwhisper tar.gz Jun 07 09:47:21 i had to hexedit mine to get 024x768 Jun 07 09:47:52 1024* Jun 07 09:47:54 lardman: working on SDB stuff this weekend? :P Jun 07 09:48:07 rm_you: yeah, just sat down to do so :) Jun 07 09:48:07 without it it wouldnt properly go over some silly format and had a blank strip Jun 07 09:48:09 s/SDB/SBC/ Jun 07 09:48:09 rm_you meant: lardman: working on SBC stuff this weekend? :P Jun 07 09:48:26 heh wehen you get it to testable state i'll help :P Jun 07 09:48:56 ok, well the Bluez code is quite nicely written, so I'm ever hopefull it will be soon Jun 07 09:49:00 rm_you, did your beta work out ok? Jun 07 09:49:11 I'll be a beta tester :P :) (but my headset does the weird/nice thing where it decodes mp3 on the headset) Jun 07 09:49:13 assuming I'm not dragged out to go shopping or something else :S Jun 07 09:49:31 qwerty12: alright for some, that option was too expensive for me ;) Jun 07 09:49:47 qwerty12: Do you know if Bluez will pass mp3 straight through? Jun 07 09:49:52 I bought this headset for £15 :P Jun 07 09:49:56 No idea :? Jun 07 09:49:59 *:/ Jun 07 09:50:08 lcuk: yeah i pushed it to extras today Jun 07 09:50:20 excellent :) Jun 07 09:50:42 lardman - i realised why i got superior battery performance to most others when we were at linuxtag Jun 07 09:50:56 even when i was running performance Jun 07 09:51:42 (II) NV(1): Not using mode "1440x900@60" (width too large for virtual size) Jun 07 09:52:07 is this a laptop or your desktop Jun 07 09:52:19 desktop Jun 07 09:52:34 there's another worrying message at the end of the log: Jun 07 09:52:44 (WW) NVIDIA: Xinerama and GLX are enabled, but some X screens are not being Jun 07 09:52:44 (WW) NVIDIA: driven by the NVIDIA X driver. OpenGL rendering will be Jun 07 09:52:44 (WW) NVIDIA: disabled on these screens: Jun 07 09:52:44 (WW) NVIDIA: - Screen 1: NV Jun 07 09:53:02 I'll have to do some digging Jun 07 09:53:11 Quick google gives me this: Jun 07 09:53:12 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=714784 Jun 07 09:53:18 Seems similar to your problem Jun 07 09:55:27 oh dear, it suggests running the reconfigure tool, that always seems to screw everything up :D Jun 07 09:56:12 Heh, for me, it did the opposite ;) Jun 07 09:56:15 *:) Jun 07 09:56:57 ah well, once I've finished coding for the day I'll give it a go (otherwise when it messes up I'll curse and spend the rest of the day trying to sort it out) Jun 07 09:57:04 i have to ask, how is a regular joe user expected to do this kind of stuff? Jun 07 09:57:14 exactly Jun 07 09:57:29 Windows has far better/slicker multi-monitor support Jun 07 09:57:32 if it hurts our heads and we are supposed to know Jun 07 09:57:49 the nvidia gui config too is pretty easy to use Jun 07 09:58:03 yeah the nvidia config in hardy worked great for my two monitors... Jun 07 09:58:08 :( Jun 07 09:58:13 but they are exactly the same Jun 07 09:58:21 down to model number Jun 07 09:58:46 nvidia gui never used to work for me, but perhaps things have moved on.... Jun 07 09:59:24 lard, might be an idea to test it Jun 07 09:59:41 * qwerty12 uses ATI here Jun 07 09:59:48 i'm sorry :(* Jun 07 09:59:59 lol Jun 07 10:00:23 Nvidia is a better choice for linux, maybe when I get a new gfx card (I really should do) Jun 07 10:01:29 lcuk: I'll test all the options this evening; and you will probably see me back tomorrow cursing, lots :) Jun 07 10:02:00 lol cursing politely and negotiating with nvidia no doubt ;) Jun 07 10:03:21 * lardman should get another 7900GTX and then hopefully the nVidia driver will be less confused & he can run SLI :) Jun 07 10:03:28 lcuk: but of course Jun 07 10:05:41 damn, ive just realised something about my program: its geared for me - a left hander. im gonna have to make the ui configurable Jun 07 10:06:06 :O. Us righties rule da world :P Jun 07 10:06:30 you righties would have to stretch over all the ui and keep catching it Jun 07 10:06:38 you would fail :P Jun 07 10:06:58 No, I'd just use rotation to shove it into Inverse mode :P Jun 07 10:08:02 liaf llits dluow uoy Jun 07 10:08:10 why? Jun 07 10:08:18 (only took me a sec to read that :P) Jun 07 10:08:19 cos the writing would be inverted Jun 07 10:08:26 eew Jun 07 10:08:32 :P Jun 07 10:09:03 its ok, the ui elements float around and try not to collide Jun 07 10:09:12 so ill just let you decide left or right Jun 07 10:09:46 * qwerty12 needs to extract all the diablo deb files to get hcid.conf and then compile Sox and it's many libs >.< Jun 07 10:10:55 ok, im off to try some stuff, lardman good luck getting dsp stuff sorted. ill b back later Jun 07 10:11:10 See ya Jun 07 10:12:17 rm_you, Just updated to the latest, very nice :). Mind if I put in a little request? :/ Jun 07 10:12:47 please do Jun 07 10:13:39 lcuk: Good luck to you too, c ya Jun 07 10:13:45 rm_you, No wait, you already thought of it. (hardware button control) Jun 07 10:13:48 Thanks :D Jun 07 10:13:55 lol Jun 07 10:14:01 actually, that was a user submitted patch Jun 07 10:14:08 i was like... ok i guess :P and applied it Jun 07 10:14:24 Well, that guy read my mind and did what I couldn't do Jun 07 10:15:05 if you think of any other awesome features Jun 07 10:15:11 don't hesitate to post on the ITT thread Jun 07 10:15:17 or do garage feature requests Jun 07 10:15:17 * RST38h now polling gronmayer for the repo list Jun 07 10:15:23 rm_you, Will do, thanks Jun 07 10:15:35 one more change to the php script - and I am almost done Jun 07 10:16:39 :) Jun 07 10:17:07 still using hover i see :/ Jun 07 10:17:11 wha Jun 07 10:17:18 why does it list my applet like 10 times Jun 07 10:17:24 make that 20 Jun 07 10:17:38 10 times per version Jun 07 10:18:21 and again, these suggestions are because *i like your site* and would love to see it get widely adopted Jun 07 10:18:37 I'm not trying to belittle your work :( Jun 07 10:19:05 Wonderful, as the sbc encoder only needs 256bytes at a time, we can happily run this without a thread, I think Jun 07 10:19:23 lardman: I dont know what that means, but you seem to be happy about it, so, SWEET! :P Jun 07 10:19:28 ^^ Jun 07 10:19:34 I was gonna type the same thing :D Jun 07 10:19:57 rm_you: the standard way of calling a task it to just send it a chunk of data and wait for it to process it and send it back Jun 07 10:20:21 for some codecs, such as Tremor, things are not simple enough to do that, but for SBC it looks like they are :) Jun 07 10:20:26 * qwerty12 is a little unsure with car whisper, it wants me to make some groovy changes to hcid.conf. Ah well, on the end users head be it Jun 07 10:20:29 don't waste time explaining it to me, just make it work :P Jun 07 10:20:38 lol, I'll try Jun 07 10:21:08 * rm_you can't wait Jun 07 10:21:21 seriously... Jun 07 10:21:24 * rm_you fails at waiting Jun 07 10:21:47 lardman, I congratulate you for attempting (and hopefully succeeding) for what Nokia cannot be arsed to do even after being the 2nd most voted feature. Jun 07 10:22:16 qwerty12: well they would have to pay someone to do it Jun 07 10:22:35 and its easier to get slave labor from the community >_< Jun 07 10:22:38 I paid money for this tablet :P. Jun 07 10:23:13 i need an n810 Jun 07 10:23:24 I think the hold up on Nokia's side is that the DSP is used to mix system sounds, by bypassing the DSP mixer, we won't get any system sounds Jun 07 10:23:37 :( Jun 07 10:23:39 * qwerty12 can trade in a N800 plus £20 on top for a N810 Jun 07 10:23:41 well Jun 07 10:23:46 if the code for the DSP mixer was open? Jun 07 10:23:52 unless they re-write the way the DSP does it's mixing and output, and that would be expensive I guess Jun 07 10:23:57 qwerty12: ?!? Jun 07 10:24:04 rm_you: indeed, but it's 3rd party I think Jun 07 10:24:19 so THEY could do it Jun 07 10:24:29 and are the ONLY people who can do it Jun 07 10:24:36 I think they plan to go that way, just depends on when Jun 07 10:24:50 rm_you, My friends uncle bought a N810 recently and is offering a trade but I'm too attached to my N800. Plus the N800 is in bad condition :/ Jun 07 10:25:00 heh Jun 07 10:25:05 yeah i like my n800 too much to trade Jun 07 10:25:10 i would just ALSO need an n810 Jun 07 10:25:36 i think limiting the N810 to a single miniSD slot was the most retarded move ever Jun 07 10:25:40 I'd rather just wait for N900/Pandora rather than getting a N810 now :) Jun 07 10:25:43 was prolly due to space or cost concerns, but... lame Jun 07 10:25:45 LAAAAME Jun 07 10:25:55 yeah, same Jun 07 10:26:44 good morning Jun 07 10:27:00 morning Jun 07 10:34:39 johnx, ping Jun 07 10:45:02 New Instruction : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=189563#post189563post189563 Jun 07 10:50:29 bmidgley: Are you about? Jun 07 10:56:32 Ok, stealing scripts from johnx's a2dp package, I'm proud to present a carwhisper package. Now I'll have to see if it works >.< and doesn't kill my bluetooth. I'll then have to compile SoX later. Jun 07 11:00:31 good stuff Jun 07 11:01:04 dont you love open source? Jun 07 11:01:05 :P Jun 07 11:01:16 * rm_you yanks some code from osso-statusbar-cpu Jun 07 11:01:24 ? Jun 07 11:01:52 ok, have to ask Jun 07 11:02:07 you name... is it like... "Italo" + "dance"? Like... Italian Dance? Jun 07 11:02:14 thats how I always pronounce it in my head Jun 07 11:02:21 :P Jun 07 11:02:47 rm_you yes Italodance is an old music genre and i like it,it's from my childhood Jun 07 11:02:55 ah Jun 07 11:03:04 rm_you i have an old blog too www.italodancemp3.de.am Jun 07 11:03:17 Only thing I'm unsure is that will the perl with os2008 run the cw_pin.pl script fine and will the odd form of bluez on these tablets listen to hcid.conf to run cw_pin.pl anyway :P Jun 07 11:03:26 Italodance you can read news interviews cd releases.... Jun 07 11:06:04 aargh, my wireless keyboard just stopped working Jun 07 11:06:08 Well, the postinst script worked to move and backup the original hcid.conf and install my/trifinite/nokia's version of hcid.conf. Jun 07 11:06:22 luckily I have a wired one plugged in for such eventualities Jun 07 11:06:24 Now I need to charge up my headset. Jun 07 11:06:27 Nice thinking Jun 07 11:08:08 I feel like I am stabbing myself in the foot as I am going to add an entry to hack my bluetooth headset :D Jun 07 11:11:34 :) Jun 07 11:16:05 * qwerty12_N800 brings up the electric bed to retrieve my headset :p. the perl script runs fine now i just got to see if the weird implementation of bluez will run the pin perl script Jun 07 11:22:37 isn't there a bluetooth pin API? Jun 07 11:23:20 bluetooth pins? i didnt think embroidery was so advanced Jun 07 11:23:27 >_> Jun 07 11:34:59 <_< Jun 07 11:37:11 morning Jun 07 11:37:29 Hmm, does anyone know which package the "play" command comes from? Jun 07 11:37:41 alsa? Jun 07 11:37:49 just a wild guess Jun 07 11:37:59 dpkg -S play Jun 07 11:38:06 Probably is, thanks Jun 07 11:38:26 dpkg -S `which play` Jun 07 11:38:33 I'll compile a binary later (carwhisper needs it) Jun 07 11:39:59 sox probably Jun 07 11:40:10 but i may be wrong Jun 07 11:40:11 :) Jun 07 11:40:38 hm, alsa's play is aplay i think Jun 07 11:40:42 so KotCzarny might be right :) Jun 07 11:40:50 It may be, I need to compile sox anyway Jun 07 11:42:56 hmm, is 0x200(etc) the standard class for headset? Jun 07 11:45:57 which producer does the best sd-cards? i need one für my n800 device Jun 07 11:46:39 company Jun 07 11:46:54 well Jun 07 11:47:27 i know a lot of people buy Transcend cards Jun 07 11:47:33 i like my a-data Jun 07 11:47:52 most SD cards these days come from like 1 or 2 manufacturers and just get rebranded anyway Jun 07 11:49:51 i bought a very cheap noname one für external sd and have allways problems Jun 07 11:51:09 i always just buy the cheapest one possible, and i've never had problems :( Jun 07 11:51:16 maybe i just got lucky? or many you got unlucky :/ Jun 07 11:51:27 *maybe Jun 07 11:52:40 Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Du sagt "für" oft :P Jun 07 11:52:56 * rm_you is horrible at German, for the record Jun 07 11:53:53 is long on arm the same as int? Jun 07 11:53:57 carwhisperer ain't gonna work (well), stupid nokia insists that it's pair dialog still comes up Jun 07 11:54:14 qwerty12_N800: hrm Jun 07 11:54:20 what does carwhisperer do? Jun 07 11:54:42 i'm gonna charge my headset more, disable the bluetooth statusbar applet and reboot Jun 07 11:54:58 rm_you, eavesdroppes on bt headsets Jun 07 11:55:09 ah?! lol Jun 07 11:55:15 how Jun 07 11:55:21 also lets you send a message of your own Jun 07 11:55:45 works on the basis of default pins Jun 07 11:55:48 lol Jun 07 11:55:50 right Jun 07 11:55:59 since like all headsets have that by necessity Jun 07 11:56:12 why is it called car whisperer >_> Jun 07 11:56:36 It's made for the bluetooth handsfree systems in cars Jun 07 11:56:42 turn right... Jun 07 11:56:48 ah lol Jun 07 11:56:56 so eavesdropping is not its INTENDED purpose :P Jun 07 11:57:40 Well, from readme: Jun 07 11:57:57 "Once the connection has been successfully established, the carwhispstarts sending audio to, and recording audio from the headset." Jun 07 11:58:49 "This allows attackers to inject audio data into the car. This could be fake traffic announcements or nice words. Attackers are also able to eavesdrop conversations among people sitting in the car." Jun 07 11:59:00 LOL Jun 07 11:59:01 stupid vi and osso-xterm Jun 07 11:59:19 so you have something to do in stop&go traffic on the way to work? :P Jun 07 11:59:50 Hehe,if you run a business, advertise! :p Jun 07 12:00:20 or you could be like "Hey, whats up! I'm like, in the car behind you... You're looking hot today, want to go grab some food after work? Here's my number..." Jun 07 12:00:30 good way to get the cops called on you :P Jun 07 12:00:37 but this was made in 2001 iirc and pairing mode exists too Jun 07 12:00:39 lmao Jun 07 12:00:43 `I'm so totally not stalking you' Jun 07 12:01:04 "Lies!" Jun 07 12:01:04 :P Jun 07 12:01:10 Who here uses their phone to bluejack? Jun 07 12:01:10 statistics! Jun 07 12:01:12 oh wait Jun 07 12:01:21 qwerty12_N800: sometimes Jun 07 12:01:22 ? Jun 07 12:01:31 bluejack? Jun 07 12:01:36 generally did it with my palm Jun 07 12:01:50 rm_you: send messages to random people with bluetooth enabled Jun 07 12:01:57 aquatix, the fun, I did it to my cousin once at a wedding, "hey baby..." Jun 07 12:02:01 mostly done through vcards Jun 07 12:02:05 ghehe Jun 07 12:02:58 bluejacking n800 is great, depening on the prog the message was sent with, it says the msg + who sent Jun 07 12:03:02 i Jun 07 12:03:04 t Jun 07 12:03:27 hm, what is a good program for the n8x0 to bluejack with? Jun 07 12:03:49 There is none :(. unless you count contacts Jun 07 12:04:00 hm, k Jun 07 12:04:54 Just make a new contact with the message as the name and export it with the file name as the message Jun 07 12:21:31 can i use a 8BG sanDisk extreme 3 SDHC card with my n800? Jun 07 12:21:41 probably Jun 07 12:21:59 but have an option open to return the card Jun 07 12:22:42 KotCzarny,qwerty: Check fms.komkon.org/Maemo - I have just added OS version selection Jun 07 12:22:58 eichi: yes, should work fine Jun 07 12:23:39 hmm Jun 07 12:23:57 maemo4.. Jun 07 12:24:05 RST38h: looks good now, package is showing up the right amount of times :) Jun 07 12:24:09 add the legend above the form Jun 07 12:24:21 explaining which maemo version has which codename Jun 07 12:24:21 it's still using onmousehover >_> Jun 07 12:24:50 why not just have them labeled with the release name? Jun 07 12:25:23 ah, thanks for the hardware keys patch BTW Jun 07 12:25:28 I assume you are Marat? Jun 07 12:26:15 No, I am Napoleon I Jun 07 12:26:45 O_o Jun 07 12:26:57 one of us is, anyway Jun 07 12:27:13 the shorter one, probably Jun 07 12:27:17 * KotCzarny grins Jun 07 12:27:18 o_O Jun 07 12:27:38 hmm, carwhisperer doesn't like my headset, causes it to shutdown muhahaha Jun 07 12:28:05 rm_you: GAN had a good suggestion yesterday Jun 07 12:28:16 ? Jun 07 12:28:17 He suggested using a little rotating arrow to fold/unfold Jun 07 12:28:22 yes Jun 07 12:28:24 too bad I have not found good arrow gifs yet Jun 07 12:28:27 so did I :P Jun 07 12:28:32 dont need gifs Jun 07 12:28:32 just make one Jun 07 12:28:39 too lazy Jun 07 12:28:43 gimp has a plugin for arrows Jun 07 12:28:48 no gimp Jun 07 12:28:53 no kidding Jun 07 12:28:55 :) Jun 07 12:29:01 just need need one image of an arrow pointing right and one of an arrow pointing down Jun 07 12:29:20 and have it swap the image on click along with expanding Jun 07 12:29:34 and underline the title so people know it is clickable Jun 07 12:29:49 style="text-decoration: underline" Jun 07 12:29:50 or just use: '>' and 'v' Jun 07 12:29:52 ;) Jun 07 12:30:01 lol KotCzarny Jun 07 12:30:17 well, make it 'V' Jun 07 12:30:18 ;) Jun 07 12:30:21 Kot: yea, and you will be using LYNX, I assume? Jun 07 12:30:32 lynx doesn't do js/css Jun 07 12:30:33 ;) Jun 07 12:31:15 does NO ONE else think that using Mouse Hover events is not a good idea for a site that will primarily be viewed on a tablet that doesnt have the ABILITY to mouse hover? >_> Jun 07 12:31:37 if i'm seriously the only person this occurs to, i'll shut up Jun 07 12:31:45 :) Jun 07 12:31:50 it just seems like a major issue <_< Jun 07 12:31:55 it is =) Jun 07 12:32:02 rm_you: it doesn't have it NOW Jun 07 12:32:18 but timeless is working probably hard ;) Jun 07 12:32:22 lol Jun 07 12:33:07 whatever, i'll just use greasemonkey to fix the site <_< Jun 07 12:33:19 wait... is there a greasemonkey for the tablet's firefox? Jun 07 12:33:27 yes Jun 07 12:33:30 yup Jun 07 12:33:35 good Jun 07 12:34:51 RST38h: is your site "open source"? :P Jun 07 12:39:09 rm_you: it is open source to anybody willing to host it Jun 07 12:39:19 RST38h: I could host it Jun 07 12:39:23 'cause hosting it on Komkon is somewhat problematic Jun 07 12:39:30 for what reason? Jun 07 12:39:52 MySQL puts some strain on the server and is a security risk Jun 07 12:40:01 :/ Jun 07 12:40:02 rst, how do you get a list of repos/packages? Jun 07 12:40:13 Kot: I poll Gronmayer ;) Jun 07 12:40:17 With wget Jun 07 12:40:17 heh.. Jun 07 12:40:38 lol Jun 07 12:40:48 i think getting from the source sites and caching parsed data would be better Jun 07 12:40:49 :) Jun 07 12:40:51 rm_you: if you have reliable hosting, I can pass it over to you for further improvement once I make a few changes Jun 07 12:40:59 Kot: I do Jun 07 12:41:08 Kot: Once I get URL list from Gornmayer, I poll repos Jun 07 12:41:14 When using grep, is there a sort of thing like OR (e.g I would ls and I would want grep to show me txt and jpg files) Jun 07 12:41:15 uhum Jun 07 12:41:16 I have a hosting account that's like... 600gb/month supposedly Jun 07 12:41:20 but i suspect they oversell Jun 07 12:41:24 qwerty, yes Jun 07 12:41:28 so far tho, no problems Jun 07 12:41:29 but use grep Jun 07 12:41:32 egrep Jun 07 12:41:34 or grep -E Jun 07 12:41:49 grep -E '(something|barf)' Jun 07 12:42:01 hmm, no sure i get the reasoning behind not fixing any of the maemo bugs in pimlico contacts: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/06/06/contacts-09-released/ Jun 07 12:42:23 KotCzarny, Thanks, now I don't have to do commenting etc Jun 07 12:43:31 does anyone play nwn here? Jun 07 12:46:18 Anyways, the Aggregator is looking for home. If anybody feels like hosting and supporting it, let me know Jun 07 12:47:11 I could try and see how my hosting works for it Jun 07 12:47:15 i havent really stress tested it Jun 07 12:48:58 I'm thinking about getting a pandora, but only if its screen is usable outdoors (unlike the n800) Jun 07 12:49:29 i use my n800 outside... in texas sun... Jun 07 12:49:31 works fine for me :P Jun 07 12:49:44 uh, got a special screen protector ? Jun 07 12:49:57 no? Jun 07 12:50:19 mmmm, it really doesn't work like that for me Jun 07 12:50:22 though I did get that glare reducing eye surgery :P Jun 07 12:50:28 ..... Jun 07 12:50:45 lol j/k, no idea why i can see the screen and you can't >_> Jun 07 12:50:59 rm_you, how? even the rare sun of london makes my n800s screen hard to read :p Jun 07 12:51:31 turn the brightness to max? :/ Jun 07 12:51:34 man seriously, a couple of weeks ago I got caught in a transportation strike in the middle of my commute and didn't know where to go, I tried to use the embedded mapping app but I couldn't use it unless I found some shadow Jun 07 12:51:52 that didn't help Jun 07 12:51:58 rm_you, still doesn't help Jun 07 12:52:07 theres some films you can stick on the surface Jun 07 12:52:10 that help reading in sun Jun 07 12:52:12 s/unless/until/ Jun 07 12:52:49 also, I remember trying to use the media player outside, horrible, couldn't see anything Jun 07 12:53:19 i play with canola walking to class <_< Jun 07 12:53:26 every day Jun 07 12:53:43 maybe my N800 is magical Jun 07 12:54:03 maybe you are not living in Texas? =) Jun 07 12:54:12 well not right now Jun 07 12:54:20 * rm_you went back to WA for summer Jun 07 12:54:48 (even with canola's high contrast themes) Jun 07 12:55:15 how much is the 810 in europe now? Jun 07 12:56:41 ~360 EUR iirc Jun 07 12:56:41 gives EUR iirc a one revolution spin or 2\pi Jun 07 12:57:07 €459,00 that's twice the pandora announced price Jun 07 12:58:05 florian: I just got the price from nokia's site Jun 07 12:59:50 shackan: oops Jun 07 13:01:45 where can i but n810 on nokia website Jun 07 13:02:05 **buy Jun 07 13:02:50 probably shop.nokia.com Jun 07 13:02:52 or similiar Jun 07 13:03:35 http://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/searchresults.aspx?selector_session=PHALL%3a0%2c26647285&wt=PHALL&ws=0%2c26647285&culture=en-GB#__anchor_ProductSelector Jun 07 13:03:52 mornin kot Jun 07 13:03:59 and how can i get list of shops that sell n810 ? Jun 07 13:04:40 buy it from UK, costs 300 EUR there Jun 07 13:04:46 check eBay Jun 07 13:04:51 hi lcuk Jun 07 13:04:55 or consider US Jun 07 13:05:19 * lcuk has been a busy boy Jun 07 13:06:43 mrglinux: amazon.com Jun 07 13:06:54 www.froogle.com Jun 07 13:07:51 :) Jun 07 13:08:10 aquatix: i think they send it and deliver a few day after .. but you think one person will come from usa tomorrow and i want he buy it for me.. so do u think he can buy from online store... Jun 07 13:08:57 mrglinux: he can, yes, but i don't think he will have it in time to take it with him tomorrow Jun 07 13:09:29 aquatix: so if he can go to the store.. and buy it.. it's possible Jun 07 13:10:03 mrglinux: true Jun 07 13:10:21 mrglinux: maybe he knows better what store to go to then? Jun 07 13:10:44 aquatix: and it's cause i search for a store... i remmber .. nokia introduce store's and resellers for each model of nokia Jun 07 13:11:12 aquatix: i dont know .. because he doesn't know nokia n810 Jun 07 13:11:38 yeah, but i guess he knows electronics stores in his neighbourhood Jun 07 13:11:43 like best buy or something Jun 07 13:11:48 * aquatix isn't from the USA either Jun 07 13:12:10 Hmm does anyone know which program handles the bluetooth pairing (espically the enter passcode dialog box)? Jun 07 13:12:58 it's defined in /etc/bluetoth/ Jun 07 13:13:02 tooth Jun 07 13:13:29 hmm Jun 07 13:13:34 I added an entry in hcid.conf but maemo still comes up with it's own one Jun 07 13:14:09 do we love distractions from standards? yes we do.. Jun 07 13:14:40 the bluez in n800 is no exception... Jun 07 13:14:55 KILL KILL Jun 07 13:15:16 you can check init.d script too Jun 07 13:15:24 stupid nokia, dodgy bluetooth variations and the bt statusbar applet is closed src Jun 07 13:15:30 already looking Jun 07 13:16:59 even if you're not from US its still cheaper to buy it there :> Jun 07 13:17:20 everything will work fine Jun 07 13:17:34 But I prefer my tablet with all wifi frequencies ;) Jun 07 13:17:36 only the powerplug not but those are very standard Jun 07 13:18:04 i bought mine for 303 EUR (imncl 20 EUR S&H) from UK Jun 07 13:18:27 oh yea.. hmm well.. wimax? :p Jun 07 13:20:01 hmm, does hcid usually have a -x option? Jun 07 13:28:47 * rm_you sleeps Jun 07 13:29:13 night rm_you Jun 07 13:29:28 it has been a good day :) Jun 07 13:29:33 night Jun 07 13:29:43 * rm_you notes it is 6:30am Jun 07 13:29:48 * rm_you sleeps Jun 07 13:29:52 heh Jun 07 13:30:00 why is tech equipment in the USA always cheaper? Jun 07 13:30:59 because it's developed there? Jun 07 13:31:11 "The whole idea behind Christian Zionism is to align America with the nation of Israel so as to "hurry God up" in his efforts to bring about Armageddon." Jun 07 13:31:34 "As Hagee tells it, only after Israel is involved in a final showdown involving a satanic army (in most interpretations, a force of Arabs led by Russians) will Christ reappear." Jun 07 13:33:03 o.o Jun 07 13:33:35 BTW, in that computer game where you are supposed to fight the satanic army after the Rupture... Jun 07 13:34:00 Do you get to play as Satan? Some easter-egg mode, maybe? Jun 07 13:38:25 jeroin: big single market, with a non-uniform vat. therefor are all usd prices given without vat... Jun 07 13:38:50 is it possible to use Netcat appl on n810? Jun 07 13:39:07 sniffing Jun 07 13:39:10 etc.. Jun 07 13:39:11 US has no VAT Jun 07 13:39:27 It has got sales tax which differs from state to state Jun 07 13:39:41 VAT, sales tax, big diff... Jun 07 13:39:50 But it is rarely bigger than 10% Jun 07 13:39:59 netcat for sniffing? Jun 07 13:40:02 o.O Jun 07 13:40:36 0-10%, and only 10% in the shitty places like California and New York, which is nowhere near 17%. Jun 07 13:41:06 in ny it's 8.7something Jun 07 13:41:07 afair Jun 07 13:41:57 Hmm, it seems to be hcid itself bringing up the pair dialog. I'll compile my own hcid later Jun 07 13:57:21 "Hello," I said, taking a deep breath. "My name is Matt. My father was an alcoholic circus clown who used to beat me with his oversize shoes." Jun 07 14:00:40 RST38h: ? Jun 07 14:19:57 Do the n800 and n810 have the same power adapter plugs? Jun 07 14:20:19 aquatix: just reading an article Jun 07 14:21:58 heh, k Jun 07 14:22:03 * aquatix is watching some Lost Jun 07 14:22:07 Yes, Jeff1f. Jun 07 14:22:45 thank you Jun 07 14:31:24 i am using os2008 with japanese support and the matchbook_keyboard package ... is there a way to input squiggly brackets {}? Jun 07 14:34:54 copy + paste always works as a last resort ;) Jun 07 14:35:55 t_s_o: i see, so if you buy from US, you always pay VAT? Jun 07 14:36:02 that it does, but i was looking for an actual direct input rather than having to track it down to copy each time Jun 07 14:36:44 jeroin: more like, the price listed in us dollars may not allways be the final price one ends up paying when buying it in usa... Jun 07 14:37:02 with the japanese support there is a 'raw code' option, but i have been unable to find a chart of raw inputs of any sort Jun 07 14:37:38 asciitable.com? Jun 07 14:38:07 Well, if you're buying online you rarely pay sales tax, so that really is the price (baring shipping, of course). Jun 07 14:39:18 yes, i know, but this is always the case; if i import sth big from USA i needto pay import tax whereas if i buy a CD i don't have to Jun 07 14:39:39 i bought my Zaurus from Japan, and since it was flagged as gift, i didn't have to pay any import tax Jun 07 14:40:39 if you go on vacation to US its a nice opportunity, because you can send yourself a gift from there... if you know someone who works at military those transfers also don't require VAT, and then its US ground only you need to pay.. Jun 07 14:40:57 :S Jun 07 14:41:16 anyway lets say someone from Switserland sends me CDs, does he or i need to pay VAT then? Jun 07 14:42:39 to tell the truth, no clue, as im not familiar with your local import laws. but i would guess there are some items and minimum sums that do not get taxed in import... Jun 07 14:42:48 mangofusion, asciitable.com was a good idea, but none of the codes match, they give different characters than on the ascii table. Jun 07 14:43:07 probably looking for a different set Jun 07 14:43:09 hmm Jun 07 14:43:25 in NL minimum sum is 22 EUR excl S&H Jun 07 14:43:44 i can buy for 100 USD CDs in USA, still dont need to pay import tax Jun 07 14:43:52 try http://jrgraphix.net/research/unicode_blocks.php Jun 07 14:43:56 jeroin: here is what the law USUALLY says Jun 07 14:43:57 maybe they don't do this cause they like i buy CDs? :) lol Jun 07 14:44:14 jeroin: If you are a foreigner and you buy something in a country with VAT Jun 07 14:44:37 jeroin: You can usually get that money returned to you at the special office in the airport, as long as you have a receipt Jun 07 14:44:46 This is how it works in UK and Taiwan, AFAIK Jun 07 14:44:53 jeroin, you BUY cd's? :O :p Jun 07 14:45:19 i see, thanks Jun 07 14:45:44 WHY?!? Jun 07 14:46:22 mangofusion, the codes on that site are also listed on the first and do not work. the raw code requires a 3 digit decimal number, unicode is 2 digit hex it would seem Jun 07 14:46:46 * RST38h buys CDs too Jun 07 14:46:52 so lets say i buy sth from USA, i pay VAT, and i receive this in package.. then i need to travel 4 hours to my airport (Schiphol) and 4 hours back to get the VAT amount back? Geez... :o) Jun 07 14:47:07 At $3..$4 they are not very expensive to buy and save download time Jun 07 14:47:21 jeroin: One more time Jun 07 14:47:29 jeroin: In the US you DO NOT PAY VAT Jun 07 14:47:34 There is no VAT in the US Jun 07 14:47:39 ahh i see Jun 07 14:47:51 You pay SALES TAX. And you only pay it at the point of sale Jun 07 14:48:01 And if you mailorder, you USUALLY do not pay sales tax Jun 07 14:48:24 Exception is when you order from the same state where mailorder company is Jun 07 14:48:43 OR when you order from some anal-retentive state which always takes sales tax Jun 07 14:49:04 in other words, usa, the nation specifically set up to give the corps all the win... Jun 07 14:49:34 Well, I do not see how this is related to corporate perks Jun 07 14:49:40 t_s_o, very accurate assessment Jun 07 14:50:08 These are federal taxes (VAT) or state taxes (US sales tax) Jun 07 14:51:21 Kung.Fu.Panda.TS.XViD-mVs Jun 07 14:51:23 :D Jun 07 14:52:10 feh Jun 07 14:52:28 * RST38h doesn't even pirate MPAA movies Jun 07 14:52:43 Too boring, mostly special effects nowadays, no story Jun 07 14:52:49 RST38h: where do you get CDs for $3-4 ? Jun 07 14:52:59 summa: Any street kiosk Jun 07 14:53:13 not having to pay sales tax on everything seems to benefit consumers more than 'corporations'. :/ Jun 07 14:53:27 I can get semiofficial copies, released specifically for Russian market, for ~$10..$15 Jun 07 14:53:33 (this is DVD) Jun 07 14:53:54 CDs here cost like $12-$25 Jun 07 14:54:03 who know a music player with equalizer for IT? Jun 07 14:54:20 If CDs cost this much here, nobody would buy them Jun 07 14:54:26 RST38h are u russian? Jun 07 14:54:35 Italodance, xmms Jun 07 14:54:40 Italo: yes, by place of birth Jun 07 14:55:34 qwerty12_N800 xmms didn't work good on my IT,hasn't an Icon on menu and only run with xterm and in the small size :( Jun 07 14:55:54 RST38h so do u have access to R5 sources? Jun 07 14:56:47 What is R5? Jun 07 14:56:54 I don't thin RST38h is in the scene ;) Jun 07 14:57:08 RST38h Bah! Jun 07 14:57:21 qwerty12 hehe yes Jun 07 14:57:34 If you are asking whether I am a pirate, I am not Jun 07 14:58:16 RST38h i didn't said! nothing! Jun 07 14:58:46 qwerty12 ur xmms has an icon in the menu? and it's in full size? Jun 07 14:59:08 people still use xmms? why? Jun 07 14:59:14 all xmms has a icon in the menu after restarting and I just put on doublesize Jun 07 14:59:49 xmms is nice Jun 07 14:59:59 summatusmentis, Believe me, there aren't that much great music players for the tablet Jun 07 15:00:08 qwerty12 ? restarting the IT device after install? Jun 07 15:00:09 works most of the time, does not get in a way - more than I can say about most newer players Jun 07 15:00:12 qwerty12: and xmms is considered good? Jun 07 15:00:22 Italodance, yes Jun 07 15:00:26 summatusmentis, yes Jun 07 15:00:35 urgh... Jun 07 15:00:37 Apart from the interface quirks Jun 07 15:01:01 what about canola? Jun 07 15:01:20 or canola2, it doesn't look bad Jun 07 15:01:21 qwerty12 ummm don't know,i wish u told me sooner ,i need to reinstall it again but the size is big? Jun 07 15:02:22 summatusmentis, Canola's good but XMMS is a bit more hardcore. Like XMMS has it's eq and it can work with a bluetooth headset etc. Canola can too via mplayer come think of it. Jun 07 15:02:30 Italodance, eh? Jun 07 15:03:29 qwerty12: I just never liked xmms :) Jun 07 15:04:18 I don't mind it on the tablet :) (ofc on the computer, I'd never touch it, way outdated) :P Jun 07 15:04:56 I don't mind xmms2 too but mpd just seems nicer to me imho. Jun 07 15:05:04 what is xmms-sid-0.8.0beta17_armel.deb ? Jun 07 15:05:33 A plugin to play old games sound files or summat like that Jun 07 15:05:58 ok Jun 07 15:07:48 qwerty12 ur xmms is so cool http://i27.tinypic.com/213gidh.png but i heard some problems and hang on it? isn't it? Jun 07 15:09:07 No hanging, just looks ugly with 2 xmms's showing. Jun 07 15:09:17 I need to look into the source code again for something. Jun 07 15:13:21 qwerty12: it plays that horrible music? Just another reason to not use xmms :-D Jun 07 15:13:54 Heh, but it shows xmms expandability :P Jun 07 15:15:22 Horrible music?! Jun 07 15:15:39 Sid always = horrible/crap music :P Jun 07 15:15:43 There's summat wrong with you summatusmenti Jun 07 15:15:55 summatusmental... Jun 07 15:16:07 (not that I think that of course :P) Jun 07 15:16:57 I've finished making my fixes to carwhisperer. I'll take a look now at the shitty derived bluez provided by nokia. Jun 07 15:20:10 HAVA really needs to fix the sync issues. . . . Jun 07 15:20:43 Is it a HAVA thing or a Epson thing? Jun 07 15:21:42 HAVA thing, audio gets desynced after about 20 minutes. Jun 07 15:22:04 Ow, not good >.< Jun 07 15:22:29 Known issue, but they say it desyncs after 2 hours. Jun 07 15:22:35 Gotta kill it and restart Jun 07 15:22:44 but it takes about 20 seconds to connect. :\ Jun 07 15:22:52 my mplayer is kinda odd, I'm watching something and in about 20 mins it starts stuttering. I have to close the video down and open it up again :/ Jun 07 15:23:54 0_0 Jun 07 15:26:11 mmm, how is diablo coming around? Jun 07 15:26:12 I need to grab the RC2 binary again. I'll create a patch based on ssvb's RC1 .28 myself instead of waiting for Bundyo and grab the latest SVN and patch it. Jun 07 15:26:31 Not bad, if I had N810, I would be using my GPS a lot more because of A-GPS Jun 07 15:26:54 I'm sort of waiting for microB to be at least as good as in chinook to take the plunge. Jun 07 15:27:00 the browser is sort of important. Jun 07 15:27:09 Be prepared to wait a long time. Jun 07 15:27:23 and broken in Diablo right now. :/ Jun 07 15:27:28 qwerty12: is there a way to backport a-gps? Jun 07 15:27:41 Hopefully we can grab the svn after release. Jun 07 15:27:43 summatusmentis, no. lets just say I tried with someone and failed. Jun 07 15:27:56 Will browserd be opensource? Jun 07 15:28:01 That's my main question. Jun 07 15:28:32 Seems . . . unlikely Jun 07 15:28:37 but who knows Jun 07 15:28:56 browserd being some browser back-end? Jun 07 15:30:14 Sorta provides maemo-launcher like functions for micron Jun 07 15:30:39 We'll know more when release comes and we get timeless's badass changelog. Jun 07 15:30:58 Can you install diablo to a memory card and multi-boot? Jun 07 15:31:03 when is release expected? or do we have any idea? Jun 07 15:31:38 2 weeks to 2 months Jun 07 15:31:46 Veggen, of course. Jun 07 15:31:56 It's basically just Chinook with bugfixes. ;) Jun 07 15:32:30 You can extract the diablo debs to get a rootfs. Jun 07 15:37:28 EA.Sports.FIFA.08.v1.0.30.N-GAGE.SymbianOS9.1.Cracked-BiNPDA Jun 07 15:37:31 great :D Jun 07 15:40:15 i want to contact EA For Making games for IT Jun 07 15:40:47 Wait for Nokia to get off their asses first and pay the PowerVR guys. Jun 07 15:40:52 <_< Jun 07 15:41:03 MAX PAYNE LOLOLOLOLO Jun 07 15:41:25 qwerty12, apparently the drivers suck ass. Jun 07 15:41:57 They may do but they may still open up more opportunities :) Jun 07 15:42:24 Did you hear the word from LinuxTag re PowerVR Jun 07 15:42:31 No Jun 07 15:42:43 iirc anyway :/ Jun 07 15:43:01 they've been working on it, but the drivers suck and there isn't a lot of hope for OMAP2420 Jun 07 15:43:18 But things are looking up moving forward Jun 07 15:43:21 Ah :(. Thanks. Jun 07 15:43:38 At least my headset is carwhisperer proof >_> Jun 07 15:43:41 They seem to be working on accelerated interfaces, too. Jun 07 15:43:41 As the General said, the drivers are poor quality Jun 07 15:44:06 it sounded like they wouldn't want to use them for a release, but I'm hopeful we might be able to get hold of them for developers Jun 07 15:44:09 if we're lucky Jun 07 15:44:20 'least, that's how I understood it second-hand-second-hand. ;) Jun 07 15:44:30 I was sat there Jun 07 15:44:32 :) Jun 07 15:44:35 And have the community complain about them sucking Jun 07 15:44:45 but still a subjective/hopeful view on my part Jun 07 15:44:48 ZOMG I M GETTING IPHONE NOW PVR DRVRS SUCK Jun 07 15:45:04 Navi: That's the issue with releasing anything alpha/beta Jun 07 15:45:11 :P Jun 07 15:45:24 Good, get an iPhone. :P Jun 07 15:45:28 morning Jun 07 15:45:33 I have a few observation people don't appear to have noticed.. Jun 07 15:45:48 we need to persuade them that they won't get bad publicity/lots of bugs against such alpha/beta things Jun 07 15:45:48 Cool, fire away. Jun 07 15:46:08 1) You do NOT need fanoush's initfs(clever and nice though it is) Jun 07 15:46:26 lardman, they already get bad publicity/lotsobugs against such alpha/beta things Jun 07 15:46:43 The simple command Jun 07 15:47:02 chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool -R mmc Jun 07 15:47:15 Yeah, people know. Jun 07 15:47:20 Navi: In which case we probably won't get them then :( Jun 07 15:47:29 You can even set the default root device with flasher. Jun 07 15:47:33 will try to boot from the first mmc partition found to have an Jun 07 15:47:33 But the initfs has other advantages. Jun 07 15:47:48 executable /sbin/init. Jun 07 15:48:09 The advantage of using this approach is that it doesn't break Jun 07 15:48:20 when you reflash Jun 07 15:48:44 chroot /mnt/initfs /sbin/fdisk /dev/xyz Jun 07 15:49:03 Learn how to use the flasher. ;) Jun 07 15:49:05 beats the rootsfs sfdisk easily Jun 07 15:49:15 It doesn't _need_ to break. Jun 07 15:49:22 The default initfs will never let you boot of a 3rd or 4th partition. Jun 07 15:50:02 Unless you chmod /sbin/initfs thethers Jun 07 15:50:22 s/thetheees Jun 07 15:50:32 *others Jun 07 15:50:33 If you're flashing, you probably don't want to boot from the card anyway. . . . Jun 07 15:50:50 Pull the card out Jun 07 15:51:04 3) Most of penguinbait's kde can be used (apart from the cups Jun 07 15:51:12 why the **** did nokia feel the need to rape bluez? Jun 07 15:51:22 printing stuff) DIRECTLY within Nokia matchbox. You will Jun 07 15:51:36 I like rapeage Jun 07 15:51:46 need make a few (/usr/local/kde and /usr/local/qt Jun 07 15:52:05 mainly) to do it and konqueror on the standard Nokia Jun 07 15:52:10 Navi, I REALLY don't. A brilliant decision from the guys at nokia again, I congratulate you. Jun 07 15:52:31 interface REALLY ROCKS! Jun 07 15:52:52 GAN800: good orning. I used xp to fix the fat partition in my card, but then the app manager kept saying it failed to connect, and for me to check my network connection. I finally just reimaged the card. now it fine except for the 100mb of apps I have to install! Jun 07 15:52:55 I'm off to compile a bluez with a hcid that isn't fucked up by nokia. Jun 07 15:52:56 +symlnks Jun 07 15:56:02 nite guyz. PS I support the Community elections...one unified voice really will help. Jun 07 15:56:31 opengl would be so much fun Jun 07 15:56:39 MMK Jun 07 15:56:51 Vote yes on proposition 242 Jun 07 15:57:36 Woo, prop 242 Jun 07 15:57:53 what is that? Jun 07 15:58:30 The proposition to outlaw gay marriages in the community, duh. Jun 07 15:58:36 Bad joke following the community election support. ;) Jun 07 16:04:09 Legalize group gay marriages! Jun 07 16:04:41 [and allow including pets into the group] Jun 07 16:05:04 0.O Jun 07 16:11:49 I've posted the carwhisperer I've compiled and worked on. My biggest annoyance is Nokia's hcid not listening to pin_helper option in hcid.conf: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=189599 Jun 07 16:13:43 rhapsody really makes you work to cancel a subscription Jun 07 16:23:25 KotCzarny: :o Jun 07 16:28:36 it will be interesting to see how pandora delivers powerVR SGX drivers Jun 07 16:32:59 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=42442 debate on the drivers Jun 07 16:33:13 bah, who needs accelerated graphics anyway. i like my choppy graphics Jun 07 16:33:20 hmm, where is the apt config file parked? Jun 07 16:34:15 Depends on what you want. I look in /etc/apt , /var/lib/dpkg, /var/lib/apt usually. Jun 07 16:34:39 figured i should do something with that silly timeout... Jun 07 16:36:59 does anyone run the VMWare image for Maemo development on a Vista box succesfully? Jun 07 16:43:11 is qt going to bring some accelerated rendering? Jun 07 16:43:41 * pupnik_ wonders about new flashiness in future gui Jun 07 16:50:55 http://quozl.linux.org.au/apt-walkabout/ interesting for maemo - apt on removable media (by good old quozl) Jun 07 16:52:05 I have linux Jun 07 16:52:49 pupnik_: so.... how is this any different than using CDs for your repos(aside from having update packages) Jun 07 16:53:01 Dekaritae: congratulations :-P Jun 07 16:53:06 Heh Jun 07 16:53:29 Running DSL with Qemu over Windows Jun 07 16:53:59 I have the flasher-3 and the OS2008 image saved to a folder, and I can't figure out how to access it from the DSL imag Jun 07 16:54:57 pupnik_: as in, doing install via apt from physical media? Jun 07 16:55:05 My N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I'm trying to reflash it Jun 07 16:56:00 I don't know how qemu works really, I assume you're going to need to download the OS2008 image inside of the qemu image, and then figure out USB stuff, so that the qemu image can flash your device Jun 07 16:56:13 (easier option might be to flash from windows, if it's possible) Jun 07 16:56:22 summatusmentis, yes and agreed Jun 07 16:56:27 The Qemu image only has 100MB virtual drive. Smaller than the flasher image Jun 07 16:56:29 Or just really install linux. Jun 07 16:56:40 I would like to flash from Windows Jun 07 16:56:54 So use the windows flash then. Jun 07 16:56:59 *flasher Jun 07 16:57:05 From where? Jun 07 16:57:17 I would definitely flash with windows, and then wipe windows, and install linux :-D Jun 07 16:57:29 pupnik_, qt contains behaviours and transitions not present in something like gtk. so if its used on a device with those features available the ui itself is very flashy and smooth Jun 07 16:57:34 Unoption. Work requires Vista Jun 07 16:57:34 I just dual boot :) Jun 07 16:58:04 (at least that is the impression i got from the stand at linuxtag) Jun 07 16:58:20 Dekaritae: well then, the other option is something like vmware Jun 07 16:58:31 \o/ Yessss by the way, ive cure the final annoyance with the scrolling Jun 07 16:58:32 but first and foremost, flash your device with windows Jun 07 16:58:52 Again, from where? Google has not provided a Windows flasher Jun 07 16:59:20 There's a link here: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html Jun 07 17:00:50 Yay goodbye stupid linux Jun 07 17:01:11 A bit of an Irony as your tablet runs linux. Jun 07 17:01:13 Dekaritae, i believe you are doing it wrong.. Jun 07 17:01:19 I refer to DSL Jun 07 17:04:13 lcuk: what annoyance? cpu throttling? Jun 07 17:05:45 no, the occasional joining of 2 strokes. you draw a stroke, lift stylus and draw another - a 0 pressure terminator is not always sent so it kind sticks. ive just limited the range between valid data points in a stroke so now if something comes that too far apart its terminates and is considered the start of a new stroke Jun 07 17:06:28 the effect has been seen in numerous applications and usually when the cpu is busy Jun 07 17:08:18 yes i think mypaint also Jun 07 17:08:54 and i also know why my battery outlasted everyones at linuxtag even though i use performance power mode :) Jun 07 17:09:08 why? Jun 07 17:09:49 Yay Flasher works Jun 07 17:09:52 screen brightness - it last the entire day of usage now - i installed acmonitor and it dims the screen 2 notches when im on battery Jun 07 17:10:20 * qwerty12 <3's acmonitor Jun 07 17:10:20 i brightened it to full last night and the battery drained whilst playing last night for the first time Jun 07 17:10:57 * lcuk has tweaked it to also adjust the cputhrottling but i dont appear to even need that anymore Jun 07 17:11:20 right, tea time :D Jun 07 17:11:21 I really need to figure out how to use your cpufreq code :( Jun 07 17:11:24 back in a bit Jun 07 17:12:48 lol qwerty, i've got something in mind about that and other stuff, but i need a proper think and a discussion with rm Jun 07 17:13:20 heh :) Jun 07 17:17:38 lardman, you around? :) Jun 07 17:20:19 I probably should have done this to begin with I bought it second hand and I don't know what kinds of crap she did to it Jun 07 17:22:18 qwerty12_N800: yes Jun 07 17:23:11 qwerty12_N800: Coming and going, about to eat, and helping to cook, etc. Jun 07 17:23:30 seems I got a bit excited and overlooked something. as soon as I fix the pin problem, there should be working carwhisperer Jun 07 17:23:32 ah Jun 07 17:24:03 ah, good stuff :) Jun 07 17:25:22 I have no idea which program is calling the standard maemo pair dialog :/. I've compiled a clean hcid thinking it was that to no avail :/ Jun 07 17:26:01 dbus listener? Jun 07 17:26:22 i know hcid interacts with dbus atleast, i think Jun 07 17:27:49 You may be right, i did see dbus popping up. Jun 07 17:37:13 Which repository hosts the 12 and 14 point themes? Jun 07 17:37:26 Nvm, I find Jun 07 18:06:07 senores, what os2008 application would be good for receiving the stream which linux sopcast client pushes out? Jun 07 18:06:46 I need a good timer application for my n800 Jun 07 18:06:52 any suggestions Jun 07 18:07:08 sleep Jun 07 18:07:11 something that can count down 5 min 1 Jun 07 18:07:16 sleep Jun 07 18:07:18 TeaTimer Jun 07 18:07:21 zerosum: "egg timer" exists too Jun 07 18:07:23 i think Jun 07 18:07:25 bc Jun 07 18:17:16 mplayer can recieve the h264 (368*294) stream, but I suppose the cpu can not cope with the speed Jun 07 18:18:31 h.264 is a terrible choice. Jun 07 18:18:44 and mplayer actually handles it worse than Media player. Jun 07 18:19:12 media player gives error that clip is corrupted Jun 07 18:19:28 mpeg4 is the way to go. Jun 07 18:20:24 can not help. the stream from the sopcast client is what it is. Jun 07 18:26:15 lardman I wasn't paying attention to this window :( Jun 07 18:29:20 bmidgley: no worries Jun 07 18:29:28 lardman, I tried and tried but I cannot figure out the pairing device dialog thing. So you will have to enter the default passcodes manually :/. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20780&goto=newpost Plus a better port of SoX is needed... Jun 07 18:29:29 bmidgley: I do have a couple of questions though Jun 07 18:29:52 qwerty12_N800: post to the dev list and ask about it too Jun 07 18:30:13 lardman, will do tommorow, ta Jun 07 18:30:16 bmidgley: namely, I see that 256bytes of data are passed to the encoder at a time, is this the limit? Jun 07 18:30:28 qwerty12_N800: I look forward to trying it out :) Jun 07 18:32:04 lardman, uninstall it when you are done :) (the original hcid.conf will be restored) and be prepared to memorise and guess the default passcodes :/. bluez-utils-test is needed too. Jun 07 18:32:06 lardman I'm not sure about the limit Jun 07 18:32:10 where do you see that Jun 07 18:32:23 just that's what I get passed around by the codec Jun 07 18:32:47 I just wanted to be able to allocate some buffer <2048 8bit bytes long Jun 07 18:33:13 http://ca.youtube.com/user/zodttd playstation on the pandora devboard Jun 07 18:33:28 hehe i am seeing many people has problem with charge on nxxx Jun 07 18:33:28 lol Jun 07 18:33:35 pupnik: sounds cool :) what's the fps? Jun 07 18:35:26 *sigh* I should sleep more Jun 07 18:37:05 lardman that shouldn't be a problem Jun 07 18:38:22 I've got the dsp working with the standard sbcenc code, no changes in that code, just some #defines in sbc.c Jun 07 18:38:42 it also falls back to using sw decoding if the dsp fails for some reason Jun 07 18:38:57 it just gets stuck at the end of the stream, trying to debuf that Jun 07 18:39:16 so hopefully it will then simply drop in to the ALSA/GStreamer stuff (he says) Jun 07 18:39:17 nice... I'll ping the Brazilian who wanted to do sbc on the dsp Jun 07 18:39:25 he's a dsp programmer Jun 07 18:40:09 lardman what about dsp crashing? :) Jun 07 18:40:32 oh I've fixed that, I was trying to destroy my thread twice over Jun 07 18:40:45 in fact I've rewritten the code so it doesn't use a thread at all now Jun 07 18:41:00 as the sbc encoder is happy to work with no state data passed in from the stream Jun 07 18:41:35 Lardman: software-only rendering right now zodttd: "Got the boards running stable at 900Mhz (925 on some) and hit 200fps in FF7 once!" Jun 07 18:42:23 pupnik: sounds pretty good :) Jun 07 18:43:16 lardman you still keep internal state right? Jun 07 18:43:16 pupnik, that's from the OMAP3530? Jun 07 18:44:28 bmidgley: yes, but the encoder is quite happy to continue on its way and just be fed chunks of data Jun 07 18:44:35 bmidgley: unlike some decoders which are a pita Jun 07 18:45:26 GeneralAntilles: yes Jun 07 18:45:32 Damn Jun 07 18:45:42 That's . . . overclockable. Jun 07 18:46:04 hmm, for some reason the last chunk of decoded data is not being returned Jun 07 18:46:14 glass of wine might fix it, bbiab Jun 07 18:46:18 lol Jun 07 18:46:31 They ship at 600MHz, right? Jun 07 18:52:14 GeneralAntilles: you have a $20 data plan w/ at&t right? Jun 07 18:52:20 Yeah Jun 07 18:52:25 MediaMAX 200 Jun 07 18:52:47 hmm... do you know anyone who's tried the $6 t-mobile wap plan? Jun 07 18:53:14 There's probably a thread on itT somewhere. Jun 07 18:57:34 GeneralAntilles: good point, thanks Jun 07 18:58:01 summatusmentis, I think it works fine, but limited to port 80. Jun 07 18:59:30 http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8895/gleshot7qi0.png ooh tiinus has opengl acceleration afaict Jun 07 19:00:01 They're shorter than I remember. :P Jun 07 19:00:54 yeah personally i don't like stretching Jun 07 19:01:11 * pupnik is so far behind where he wanted to be in june 2008 Jun 07 19:02:11 a PS1/PSX emulator?! Jun 07 19:03:43 * qwerty12_N800 sets n00b mode Jun 07 19:03:45 to post a new thread on maemo-developers, i send my email to maemo-developers@maemo.org right? Jun 07 19:03:55 Yes Jun 07 19:04:18 and make sure you hit "reply all" (or "reply to list") when replying. :P Jun 07 19:04:44 meh, my psp with m33 plays them brilliantly Jun 07 19:05:17 Well, duuuuh. Jun 07 19:05:22 The PSP is basically a PS2. :P Jun 07 19:07:10 Heh, thanks :) Jun 07 19:07:31 I've never used a mailing list before. Jun 07 19:07:53 n800 will get decent ps1 emulation - no telling when though Jun 07 19:09:27 So... where's my ps2 games then? :p Jun 07 19:10:52 GeneralAntilles: can i ask what you pay a month? Is that $40 voice + $20 data? Jun 07 19:11:18 $50/mo family plan, plus $5 for my line and $20 more for data. Jun 07 19:11:30 oh, well that's not bad then Jun 07 19:12:01 3-line plan, so $120/mo or so after taxes (my mother has an iPhone for $20 more of data). Jun 07 19:15:24 7but you only pay the $25, so that's decent Jun 07 19:15:44 I'm currently on a USCC family plan, where ach additional line is $10 Jun 07 19:16:23 you have to pay out the ass for data, and there's no data roaming agreement with sprint, so I couldn't use the data plan at school anyway Jun 07 19:24:15 OpenedHand has a neat UI framework that uses OpenGL / OpenGL ES - http://clutter-project.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxS-O5bi2Xc Jun 07 19:26:20 pupnik: clutter? Jun 07 19:27:32 yo has anyone used pygst? Jun 07 19:32:11 does anyone know if alsa/bluez has had some a2dp improvments upstream? the bluez in diablo is older from official from what I can see. Jun 07 19:32:31 qwerty12_N800: it does have some improvements yes Jun 07 19:32:41 what version do you see? Jun 07 19:33:42 I'm just checking the versions... Jun 07 19:35:41 http://bluez.cvs.sourceforge.net/bluez/utils/ChangeLog?view=markup Jun 07 19:36:58 sorry, n800 crapped out when running apt-cache 8-) Jun 07 19:39:51 http://butterfeet.org/?p=26 a scaling Xephyr using GL Jun 07 19:40:06 lardman, my n800 with latest diablo says 3.28. 3.32 is available Jun 07 19:40:20 also http://dodji.blogspot.com/2007/10/xephyr-xvideo-and-gl-has-landed.html Jun 07 19:40:22 I'm working from.31 Jun 07 19:40:49 got to go, being called. Will check backlog a bit later :) Jun 07 19:41:25 This Nvidia Tegra nosense is getting out of hand. Jun 07 19:42:03 I assume libbluetooth2 is the maemo equivalent of bluez-libs? Jun 07 19:46:17 Hmm, so anyway, our version of bluez is 3.28 and 3.32 is available. Does bluez maintain a changelog anywhere? Jun 07 19:51:15 any way I could get a program for scheduling tasks? something like cron Jun 07 19:51:45 cron is on timeless's repo Jun 07 19:52:37 can you tell me where timeless's repo is? Jun 07 19:53:22 check gronmayer for something like daylessday, cannot remember exactly Jun 07 19:54:52 right. thanks Jun 07 19:57:05 hmm, "Release of bluez-libs-3.32 and bluez-utils-3.32. This release fixes some bugs in the input and audio support and removes more obsolete code. The Bluetooth helper library also got more client and server support." - Is it worth it porting it to os2008 ( I don't mean straight compile but making a patch for it to be compatible with the osso stuff? Jun 07 20:01:53 good grief Jun 07 20:04:40 Fun day for Freenode. Jun 07 20:05:02 is the a specific name for timeless's repo? Jun 07 20:05:22 because I cant find it in gronmayer Jun 07 20:06:23 kkrusty, go here: http://gronmayer.com/it/ Jun 07 20:06:26 Make sure you're on OS2008 Jun 07 20:06:30 Type "cron" in the search box Jun 07 20:06:32 it comes right up. Jun 07 20:07:10 GeneralAntilles: right! sorry for my idiocity Jun 07 20:18:42 wtf is up freenode Jun 07 20:18:52 *with freenode Jun 07 20:19:10 lol Jun 07 20:20:26 somebody must have forgotten to pay the bills Jun 07 20:20:32 whee Jun 07 20:20:37 splitty day Jun 07 20:20:53 what a brownout Jun 07 20:26:04 ahh hah. sweet success Jun 07 20:26:20 gstreamer pwned Jun 07 20:30:25 Have noticed some albums do not show in Media Player correctly Jun 07 20:44:27 does the gps receiver work when inside a pocket or a bag too? Jun 07 20:44:33 Which? Jun 07 20:44:36 N810 or Bluetooth? Jun 07 20:44:46 both Jun 07 20:44:48 N810 will probably hold a lock, but not acquire one in a pocket. Jun 07 20:44:57 A good Bluetooth receiver almost certainly will. Jun 07 20:44:58 and bt ? Jun 07 20:45:02 dont talk wet, it will do Jun 07 20:45:05 it will acquire, but after a long time Jun 07 20:45:05 it just takes forever Jun 07 20:45:12 some minutes Jun 07 20:45:27 if you're moving slowly, it acquires a lock somewhat faster Jun 07 20:45:36 My MTK-based i-blue holds one or acquires one just fine indoors, outdoors, in a bag, in a pocket, wherever. Jun 07 20:45:38 (not staying in place) Jun 07 20:45:41 the proximity of your umm satellites might however intefere if they are large enough Jun 07 20:46:05 but, once you got a lock, would it receive coordinates from inside a pocket? Jun 07 20:46:07 GeneralAntilles: care to point out one working with Maemo? Jun 07 20:46:12 shackan: easily Jun 07 20:46:15 One what? Jun 07 20:46:18 Bluetooth GPS? Jun 07 20:46:20 Like, all of them. Jun 07 20:46:26 GeneralAntilles: hmm :> Jun 07 20:46:32 Why wouldn't it work? Jun 07 20:46:36 any nice, small, battery powered, inexpensive Jun 07 20:46:39 They've worked just fine since forever. Jun 07 20:46:42 Any of the i-blues Jun 07 20:46:43 AND with good signal? Jun 07 20:46:45 AStorm: and what if I'm on a bus? Jun 07 20:46:46 mhm Jun 07 20:46:49 some of the Holux Jun 07 20:46:55 shackan: it should hold, if you're close to window Jun 07 20:47:02 anyway, it regains signal really well Jun 07 20:47:07 AStorm, there's about a thousand threads on itT dating back to 2006. Jun 07 20:47:22 again... Jun 07 20:47:33 Personally, I like the i-blue 737 Jun 07 20:47:57 AStorm: close as in first row (the window facing one) or second row (corridor facing) would be enough? Jun 07 20:48:03 definitely Jun 07 20:48:15 remember that chasis acts like a faraday cage Jun 07 20:48:28 anyway, good GPS will easily get signal in a car ;P Jun 07 20:49:35 good Jun 07 20:49:58 what about battery life for the BT ones? Jun 07 20:50:10 Got a q, on a US tablet with os2008, does a rhapsody option exist in my selection like gizmo + skype? Jun 07 20:50:43 20-28 hours on Bluetooth GPSes Jun 07 20:50:47 qwerty12-N800: yes, it should Jun 07 20:51:15 thanks, i'm looking into cal again. Jun 07 20:51:52 GeneralAntilles: good, I commute about 20hrs a week :) Jun 07 20:52:21 Just charge it over night? Jun 07 20:52:52 hmm, any GPS that can be powered by 14V socket? ;P Jun 07 20:53:08 They're mostly all USB powered. Jun 07 20:53:14 I already charge the n800 every night, I'd like not to have another thing to plug Jun 07 20:53:28 GeneralAntilles: oh, usb? OTG too? Jun 07 20:53:30 It takes, what, all of 5 seconds to plug it in? Jun 07 20:53:32 GeneralAntilles: I mean, bluetooth ones Jun 07 20:53:36 No, it wont charge from 100mA Jun 07 20:53:46 :( Jun 07 20:53:49 AStorm, yeah, I know, and I answered you on that. Jun 07 20:54:01 Most Bluetooth GPS units are USB charged. Jun 07 20:54:03 shackan: don't use the sirf star 3 chipset if you want long battery life Jun 07 20:54:15 mhm Jun 07 20:54:32 astorm, should not be difficult to get yourself some power in the glovebox and just let the gps live there logging continuously (with aerial extension if required) Jun 07 20:54:38 There's a gps chipset out there that's very lean on battery consumption.. it's called MFK or something like that Jun 07 20:55:01 unixSnob: of course you pay a premium on that right? Jun 07 20:55:08 MTK Jun 07 20:55:13 not that much Jun 07 20:55:15 right.. MTK Jun 07 20:55:17 i-blue and Holux are MTK Jun 07 20:55:23 You don't pay a premium Jun 07 20:55:24 it's somewhat worse than Sirfs, but excellent anyway Jun 07 20:55:31 No it isn't, AStorm. Jun 07 20:55:43 oh really? Jun 07 20:55:45 Every direct comparison I've seen has placed in on par or somewhat better. Jun 07 20:55:47 people should also consider doing the same with a mobile phone, emergency payg phone with some credit Jun 07 20:55:47 well, I have a holux that is sirf star -- so it may be model dependant Jun 07 20:55:50 :> Jun 07 20:55:54 and way better as far as battery life goes. Jun 07 20:56:14 I have two i-blues Jun 07 20:56:27 one just stays in the car and plugs into the included cigarette charger. Jun 07 20:56:31 woot, $45 on amazon, that's less than 30eu Jun 07 20:56:47 Be warned, though, the temperatures in a car will nuke the battery in the GPS. Jun 07 20:56:48 shackan: no delivery to EU, fail ;) Jun 07 20:57:00 GeneralAntilles: that's why I'd prefer NiMH Jun 07 20:57:04 these are hardy Jun 07 20:57:08 and replacable Jun 07 20:57:11 I don't have a car anyway :P Jun 07 20:57:20 Yeah, but they don't hold a charge. Jun 07 20:57:36 shackan: motorcycle? Jun 07 20:57:49 unixSnob: neither Jun 07 20:57:51 Read up, bus. Jun 07 20:58:03 bus and sneakers Jun 07 20:58:17 and train Jun 07 20:59:03 GeneralAntilles: uhm, they hold well enough for me Jun 07 20:59:15 hmm.. if you're carrying it on your person, then you want *small*, in which case the Holux gpslim 240 is the way to go (it's the smallest in the world) Jun 07 20:59:17 If you charge them frequently. Jun 07 20:59:29 But they wont hold a full charge for more than a few weeks. Jun 07 20:59:42 The gpslim sucks. Jun 07 20:59:45 They break all the time. Jun 07 20:59:55 i-blue 737 fits in a watch pocket just fine. Jun 07 21:00:06 Mines been going for a year now.. but I don't abuse it Jun 07 21:00:15 unixSnob: but we just concluded sirf III is bad, haven't we? Jun 07 21:00:30 shackan: yeah, in terms of battery, it's not the best Jun 07 21:00:36 GeneralAntilles: know of any powered that way? Jun 07 21:00:42 but you won't get the best of all attributes in any one device Jun 07 21:00:56 of course Jun 07 21:01:00 shackan: I know the gpslim will go a few hours Jun 07 21:01:07 bleah Jun 07 21:01:13 but the MTK will go for like 12 hrs, from what I hear Jun 07 21:01:13 AStorm, NiMH? Jun 07 21:01:25 More like 20, unixSnob. Jun 07 21:01:31 shackan: I haven't tested the gpslim beyond 3 hrs.. could go longer Jun 07 21:02:25 as long as it gets 5 hours a day, can do Jun 07 21:02:36 I want to study my daily commute Jun 07 21:02:40 I'd definitely go with an MTK Jun 07 21:02:56 I wouldn't even consider a SiRF III Jun 07 21:03:10 to compute the best time to leave at morning and quit in the evening :) Jun 07 21:04:20 * unixSnob noticed iwconfig is not part of maemo's canned toolset Jun 07 21:04:25 shackan, ive often thought of that, it would get interesting if you overlaid your screen with a HUD showing phantoms from your best days ;) Jun 07 21:04:33 Does N800 FM support broadcast? I am thinking of AX.25 data link Jun 07 21:04:42 is there a CLI replacement for iwconfig in maemo? Jun 07 21:04:45 No, Dekaritae. Jun 07 21:04:58 unixSnob, www.nitapps.com Jun 07 21:06:01 qwerty12-N800: are you saying I have to install something? I was just wondering if there was a stock tool first.. I might be satisfied with what it uses by default Jun 07 21:06:16 Somebody needs to poke that guy to get his stuff into Extras. Jun 07 21:06:25 I sent him an email a few weeks ago but never got a reply. Jun 07 21:06:41 unixSnob, iwconfig/wireless-tools is on that site. Jun 07 21:07:25 qwerty12-N800: thanks. I'll install wireless-tools if needed.. and from what it sounds like, it's needed Jun 07 21:10:20 * qwerty12-N800 needs to update conky to the latest svn and some other mods. If I'm pleased, I'll dump it in extras. Jun 07 21:14:25 * Dekaritae needs image viewer won't crap out on 4000x3000 image Jun 07 21:18:48 RescoViewer on Garnet VM loads fine. Image Viewer and Quiver crap out Jun 07 21:23:44 gah Jun 07 21:23:58 trying to flash my n770 OS2008HE back to 2007HE or 2006, Jun 07 21:24:12 the flasher quits after Version of 'sw-release': Jun 07 21:24:15 any thoughts? Jun 07 21:24:41 What command, Tu13es? Jun 07 21:25:00 ./flasher-2.0.macosx -f -R Jun 07 21:25:03 tried 3.0 also Jun 07 21:25:08 Well, no wonder. :P Jun 07 21:25:19 hm? Jun 07 21:25:20 ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F -f -R Jun 07 21:25:26 :P Jun 07 21:26:08 heh Jun 07 21:26:09 thanks GeneralAntilles Jun 07 21:26:15 Sure Jun 07 21:26:39 Do a sudo mv ./flasher-2.0.macosx /usr/local/bin/flasher-2.0 while you're at it. Jun 07 21:27:02 and make sure /usr/local/bin A. Exists and B. Is in your search path. Jun 07 21:27:15 eh this works :P Jun 07 21:33:50 Does anyone know if Diablo will support AD2P? Jun 07 21:34:10 No, mrlanrat. Jun 07 21:34:19 ok Jun 07 21:35:27 lardman's making quite a bit of progress, though. Jun 07 21:39:01 modest is really getting on my nerves. Jun 07 21:39:47 anyone know the repository I want for python2.5? Jun 07 21:39:51 on os2007he on a n770 Jun 07 21:39:59 fysa, why? Jun 07 21:40:04 Extras, Tu13es. Jun 07 21:40:18 what'd n770 come with from the factory? Jun 07 21:40:28 trying to grab all mail from gmail, and it keeps 'sticking' on something and doesn't download anything newer until I nuke something. Jun 07 21:40:30 Also, there's no such thing as an "n770" Jun 07 21:40:32 deleting the cache now Jun 07 21:40:48 summatusmentis, they'd ship with OS2006 if they were still in production. Jun 07 21:40:48 GeneralAntilles: really? just the 770? Jun 07 21:40:57 Yes, the 770 isn't part of the N-series. Jun 07 21:41:01 right, that's what I was asking Jun 07 21:41:10 GeneralAntilles: I only see python-efi-core-demo, python2.5-abook, python2.5-edje-demo, python2.5-feedparser, python2.5-pyinotify Jun 07 21:41:12 the N-series entails what exactly? Jun 07 21:41:26 Tu13es, just install something that depends on it. Jun 07 21:41:27 fysa: what's modest? is that the stock email tool? Jun 07 21:41:30 Like Canola or something. Jun 07 21:41:37 GeneralAntilles: I tried and it complained about not having those packages Jun 07 21:41:39 unixSnob, http://modest.garage.maemo.org Jun 07 21:42:00 summatusmentis, Nokia devices whose model numbers are preceded by an N. :P Jun 07 21:42:08 It's their high-end media/internet devices. Jun 07 21:42:28 so why did 770 not qualify? Jun 07 21:42:40 It just wasn't part of the N-series. Jun 07 21:42:56 summatusmentis: it was experimental Jun 07 21:42:57 and first Jun 07 21:42:59 oh Jun 07 21:43:08 and its media playback sucked. Jun 07 21:43:27 :-/ bum deal, Sprint doesn't have any nokia devices available Jun 07 21:43:30 the first 377 are coming down, but not the 8000 after that. Jun 07 21:43:32 we need 600 MHz in the same form factor as the current one ;P Jun 07 21:43:40 AStorm, OMAP3 Jun 07 21:43:42 and some improved battery ;P Jun 07 21:43:49 GeneralAntilles: yeah, OMAP3 would be great Jun 07 21:43:53 although, price... Jun 07 21:44:05 Which, as far as I can tell from the Pandora guys, is going to be very overclockable. Jun 07 21:44:06 I want NIT/maemo with the new nvidia tegra. Jun 07 21:44:07 Why price? Jun 07 21:44:10 fysa: fetchmail would solve your issue w/ the stuck email Jun 07 21:44:28 fysa, what's this lame Tegra fetish everyone's got? Jun 07 21:44:34 It's just marketing hype bullshit. Jun 07 21:44:42 They only interesting thing about the Tegra is the GPU Jun 07 21:44:48 fysa: I wasnt NIT/maemo w/ phone capability Jun 07 21:44:56 but hey :) Jun 07 21:45:00 You do realize the CPU is just an ARM11 core like the OMAP2, right? Jun 07 21:45:02 coupled with an arm processor and a whole computer Jun 07 21:45:03 I like accessible GPUs. Jun 07 21:45:06 summatusmentis, bleh, I don't. Jun 07 21:45:16 and proven stability Jun 07 21:45:35 lcuk, don't start in on this line again. There's nothing proven about a chip that isn't in production yet. Jun 07 21:45:46 fysa, that's what we'll be getting with OMAP3. Jun 07 21:45:55 If the word from LinuxTag is anything to go by. Jun 07 21:46:01 GeneralAntilles: why? that'd be awesome Jun 07 21:46:53 modest work with standard mail directory format? Jun 07 21:46:53 GeneralAntilles++ Jun 07 21:47:12 I prefer TI's approach to open-source over nvidia's Jun 07 21:47:21 summatusmentis, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2005/11/it-is-not-cell-phone-and-it-is-good.html Jun 07 21:47:38 Making it a phone isn't just waving a magic wand and having it be a phone Jun 07 21:47:49 there's a lot of other bullshit involved that would kill a lot of what's good about maemo. Jun 07 21:48:02 fysa, Modest works fine with my GMail. Jun 07 21:48:24 I know making it a phone isn't easy Jun 07 21:48:24 downloading only 'new' or resetting gmail pop to start from the beginning? Jun 07 21:48:26 I'm stuck in 2005. Jun 07 21:49:36 fysa: that's why i like fetchmail ... gives me control over that.. I can force downloads of already read mail, for example, and set my own size limits Jun 07 21:49:38 fysa, it downloaded my 2000 mails just fine. Jun 07 21:49:49 IMAP Jun 07 21:49:55 yeah, but that's just headers? Jun 07 21:50:02 Eh, I guess. Jun 07 21:50:04 or can it cache everything? Jun 07 21:50:04 Why POP over IMAP? Jun 07 21:50:08 GeneralAntilles: that post makes sense I suppose, I really just want data all the time :) Jun 07 21:50:17 summatusmentis, then get WiMAX or something. Jun 07 21:50:21 or get a tethering cellphone Jun 07 21:50:24 move out of nowhere. ;) Jun 07 21:50:33 yeah, I'm gonna go the tethering cellphone route soon, I think Jun 07 21:50:47 the living in nowhere part is the primary issue :) Jun 07 21:50:52 because most of the messages I want are 3-4mb documents, and would prefer to have them on the device when I head out the door for a trip Jun 07 21:51:12 without having to worry about connectivity/downloading over EDGE (or making sure they're downloaded before getting on a plane) Jun 07 21:51:26 I was planning on using both IMAP and POP. Jun 07 21:51:38 You sure you have enough space on the device to hold them all? Jun 07 21:51:43 16GB x2 Jun 07 21:51:46 :) Jun 07 21:51:54 Are you booting from that? Jun 07 21:51:59 yep Jun 07 21:52:24 5GB set aside for mail and work docs Jun 07 21:52:39 damn.. it's getting close to dusk. My evdo always goes haywire at dusk Jun 07 21:52:45 haha Jun 07 21:53:06 checked df, nothing is more than 12% full (other than initfs) Jun 07 21:53:19 feels like an indexing issue Jun 07 21:53:36 gotta run Jun 07 21:57:33 where can I set the hostname on my n810? Jun 07 21:57:44 /etc/hostname? Jun 07 21:57:55 will that do it for everythign? Jun 07 21:57:59 everything** Jun 07 21:58:11 I didn't know if maemo had some other setting somewhere Jun 07 21:58:38 the info might be repeated in /etc/hosts Jun 07 21:58:45 but I'm not sure where else it appears Jun 07 21:58:52 /etc/hahasummatusmentiscantfindthis/norly/hostname Jun 07 21:59:14 xD Jun 07 21:59:36 it's not /etc/hostname like I would have expected Jun 07 21:59:40 GeneralAntilles: I know where it's normally set :) Jun 07 22:35:20 re Jun 07 22:48:29 What are some of the advantages of using the straight debian port instead of os2008... or are there any? Jun 07 22:49:48 If you don't know it's probably not for you. ;) Jun 07 22:54:45 Well I haven't done a lot of research past reading a brief description of it... I know it said that most of the x86 packages were availbe for it but I wonder if I would lose some of the touchscreen and virtual keyboard functionality Jun 07 22:57:00 I also assume maemo apps might not work Jun 07 23:01:49 Good stuff, I've got the dsp-sbc encoder working inline with the sbcenc code (so hopefully should just slot into the Bluex code) Jun 07 23:02:12 but, it seems to lock up occasionally, and I've no real idea why :( Jun 07 23:09:42 Anyone here use debian/xfce and prefer it to os2008? Jun 07 23:13:42 good good, tweaked and much more reliable now :) Jun 07 23:13:54 wolfspirit: If you use it I don;t think you can use maemo apps Jun 07 23:14:38 but that might not be a big issue for you Jun 07 23:15:04 Yes, but will it make me coffee, lardman? :P Jun 07 23:15:25 GAN800: SBC? Give me 10min and you never know ;) Jun 07 23:15:34 Hehe Jun 07 23:15:57 I'm pretty tired now, but am thinking about compiling Bluez-utils and testing Jun 07 23:17:05 The only one I would be considered about would be maemo mapper and I know there should be an alternative... Would be cool to get awt java apps working... do you have problems with apps not fitting the screen? Jun 07 23:17:29 wolfspirit: I've not done much testing with Java, sorry Jun 07 23:17:49 wolfspirit: getting java working would be sweet, but prolly slow Jun 07 23:17:58 regardless, would be awesome, since Java is the language i know best Jun 07 23:18:07 lardman: how goes it? :P Jun 07 23:18:24 Awesome . . . the cat sat on my bt keyboard and crashed hildon-desktop. <_< Jun 07 23:18:25 I mean in general are there a lot of apps that don't fit the screen? Jun 07 23:18:58 GAN800: Bug report: improper placement of cat on keyboard causes hildon-desktop crash Jun 07 23:19:24 cc Quim and Ari Jun 07 23:19:25 morning all :) Jun 07 23:19:34 rm_you: appears to work, just thinking about compiling Bluez-utils with my patches to see if it will work with mplayer and the like Jun 07 23:20:03 You have to recompile with the --cat option Jun 07 23:20:15 --de-cat surely! Jun 07 23:20:20 lardman: omg do it :P and give me binaries! :P Jun 07 23:20:28 lol Jun 07 23:20:32 sure Jun 07 23:20:42 or you can compile your own from the svn ;) Jun 07 23:21:12 lol Jun 07 23:21:12 I'm just adding the last refinement - let the use choose the method via an env var as suggested by bmidgley Jun 07 23:21:39 * rm_you has no idea whats going on with bluez Jun 07 23:22:38 twas on the list today/yesterday Jun 07 23:32:49 hmm, scratchbox seems to be having a bad day for me: Jun 07 23:32:56 checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. Jun 07 23:33:08 <_< Jun 07 23:34:02 I've no idea what's up with that Jun 07 23:35:19 could be a permissions issue Jun 07 23:35:33 look in the configure script for that test and find out what they're doing Jun 07 23:35:59 they prolly have a oneliner that they're trying to compile and run Jun 07 23:37:05 does C have a builtin mutex object? Jun 07 23:37:05 not permissions Jun 07 23:37:12 or should i just use an int <_< Jun 07 23:37:30 and it's bluez-utils from the repo, so I'd expect it to work, except for the missing Flex dep of course ;) Jun 07 23:37:46 rm_you: not sure, sorry Jun 07 23:37:59 ah Jun 07 23:38:04 #include Jun 07 23:38:08 pthread_mutexattr_t mattr; Jun 07 23:38:18 i guess Jun 07 23:38:23 or i GUESS i can use an int Jun 07 23:38:26 lol Jun 07 23:42:49 crap, i dont remember any of my parallel programming stuff <_< Jun 07 23:42:54 damn i wish I did better in that class Jun 07 23:43:04 ok... pthreads... Jun 07 23:50:00 anyone know if I can set a pthread mutex to automatically unlock itself after a certain amount of time? Jun 07 23:50:31 ah SWEET Jun 07 23:50:36 pthread_mutex_timedlock_np() Jun 07 23:51:05 good luck rm_you Jun 07 23:51:22 I've uploaded the source if you're interested, but binaries will have to wait until tomorrow Jun 07 23:51:28 * lcuk snaps his fingers Jun 07 23:51:28 time for bed Jun 07 23:51:33 nite simon Jun 07 23:51:35 night all Jun 07 23:51:39 ok Jun 07 23:51:41 night lardman Jun 07 23:51:53 s/lardman/simon/ Jun 07 23:51:53 rm_you meant: night simon Jun 07 23:51:54 :P Jun 07 23:51:56 oooooh yes, doctor who was good tonigh Jun 07 23:52:15 omg Jun 07 23:52:20 * rm_you needs to get that ep Jun 07 23:52:25 i think i'm behind a week too Jun 07 23:52:35 last i saw was the unicorn and the wasp Jun 07 23:52:39 then its a double episode and its a good one Jun 07 23:52:48 !! Jun 07 23:52:52 * rm_you dies Jun 07 23:53:38 some days nobody dies at all Jun 07 23:53:51 rm_you, what about configurable hardware keys? Jun 07 23:54:13 GAN800: ah Jun 07 23:54:21 a spinner that sets the hardware key jumpsize Jun 07 23:54:24 doable Jun 07 23:54:50 Instead of using the dpad for incremental changes, allow the use to set them to 'favorites' keys. Jun 07 23:55:03 Well, that too. Jun 07 23:55:59 i'm curious... why don't the VOLUME keys change the volume, and up/down go to your two "favorites" for brightness level Jun 07 23:56:09 Each dpad direction can be set to a favorite that will change volume, brightness, or both to pre-specified levels. Jun 07 23:56:13 really only need two, bright and dim Jun 07 23:56:21 Oh Jun 07 23:56:27 Yeah, I like that. Jun 07 23:56:50 i am working on volume beep as we speak Jun 07 23:57:15 We can hijack the fullscreen key, too. Jun 07 23:58:50 lol Jun 07 23:59:01 N810 users could feasibly use the whole keyboard, too, if that doesn't seem like too much overkill. :P Jun 08 00:10:44 rm_you, ping. Jun 08 00:11:04 GeneralAntilles, pong Jun 08 00:11:11 The garage bug tracker is weird Jun 08 00:11:17 Version numbers are 1.0 and 1.1 Jun 08 00:11:30 and Components are "Cog A" and "Cog B" Jun 08 00:12:06 change them Jun 08 00:12:17 to 0.9, 0.9b, 0.9c and 1.0 Jun 08 00:12:21 Where's the control panel? Jun 08 00:12:25 err Jun 08 00:12:26 and do I have those privileges? Jun 08 00:12:28 somewhere? :/ Jun 08 00:12:30 i think so Jun 08 00:12:31 lol Jun 08 00:12:35 if not i'll give them to you Jun 08 00:12:59 I fail at gforge. :P Jun 08 00:14:04 do we NEED component? Jun 08 00:14:14 ah Jun 08 00:14:20 No, not really. Jun 08 00:14:26 i'll make component: backlight, and component: sound Jun 08 00:14:33 and maybe component: ui Jun 08 00:14:54 maybe one for N810 light sensor daemon whenever that rolls around. :P Jun 08 00:15:15 misc Jun 08 00:15:22 done Jun 08 00:16:33 Weird Jun 08 00:16:36 Still the Cogs Jun 08 00:16:44 refresh? Jun 08 00:17:01 Did Jun 08 00:17:03 Let me trying forcing Jun 08 00:17:04 oh Jun 08 00:17:18 no Jun 08 00:17:20 i figured it out Jun 08 00:21:50 k? Jun 08 00:22:32 Perfect Jun 08 00:28:08 GeneralAntilles: also use the Tasks area Jun 08 00:28:52 Yeah, I'll build the task relationships in a sec Jun 08 00:33:27 No permissions to add tasks. Jun 08 00:33:33 <_< Jun 08 00:33:33 sec Jun 08 00:34:56 you should be able to Jun 08 00:35:13 but i just gave you admin on both of those Jun 08 00:35:21 tracker and tasks Jun 08 00:35:51 Also, you want to consider moving to svn? Jun 08 00:36:02 yes Jun 08 00:36:04 would be nice Jun 08 00:36:19 i'll do the first checkin Jun 08 00:36:35 just need to find the info for the svn server Jun 08 00:37:11 https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 Jun 08 00:40:01 k, doing checkin Jun 08 00:41:05 this will make development much easier Jun 08 00:41:13 shoulda done this a long time ago Jun 08 00:41:20 Hehe Jun 08 00:41:40 i use svn on *all* of my other projects <_< Jun 08 00:43:16 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=adv-backlight Jun 08 00:43:17 :) Jun 08 00:43:54 Cool :D Jun 08 00:44:31 err Jun 08 00:44:35 the .so shouldnt be there Jun 08 00:45:03 unless you think i should check in the latest binary so n00bs can get it :P Jun 08 00:45:08 Ha Jun 08 00:45:19 That's what the downloads directory a few steps up is for. :P Jun 08 00:46:22 k Jun 08 00:49:08 ok anyway... Jun 08 00:49:10 OK, all the tasks should be set up and linked to the bugs. Jun 08 00:49:14 k Jun 08 00:49:18 ima go get some food :) Jun 08 00:49:55 Sounds like a wise plan. Jun 08 00:49:58 * GeneralAntilles does too. Jun 08 00:51:15 lcuk, http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/roll-the-scroll/ Jun 08 00:51:29 yer i noticed :) Jun 08 00:51:43 Now you HAVE to release binaries. :P Jun 08 00:53:01 Little known fact, if your application demo is featured on a Nokian's blog, you are required BY LAW to release binaries. Jun 08 00:53:37 Otherwise, you might just become a part of the Great Nokia Trout-Walloping Expedition of 2008 Jun 08 00:53:40 and not on the fun side. Jun 08 00:55:57 heh Jun 08 00:56:43 few little things to do and i think ill have extracted the good stuff from the playground and actually have some actual apps from it Jun 08 00:57:40 i need more space for new ideas so ill fold up what i have now into proper apps and get things out to people Jun 08 01:00:10 :) Jun 08 01:03:04 lcuk, you should tease ga and release it as shareware Jun 08 01:03:05 ;) Jun 08 01:05:31 rofl Jun 08 01:05:53 lol Jun 08 01:06:25 lol kot Jun 08 01:06:36 it would suit my amiga mindset :) Jun 08 01:06:38 and he didn't saw the insult :) Jun 08 01:06:48 gj KotCzarny, you killed GA Jun 08 01:06:57 *innocent* Jun 08 01:07:49 question for none gan800, is gan800 generalantilles.. ? serious q Jun 08 01:07:58 yeah Jun 08 01:08:01 yes Jun 08 01:08:10 GenerANtilles n800 Jun 08 01:08:37 so, on a very tiny version of xchat :P Jun 08 01:09:09 yer i know it looked similar, thanks :) Jun 08 01:09:50 breakfast time Jun 08 01:10:08 no rm, i thought they were same at first, but ive seen a few chats where gen has changed "modes" quickly between account names that i thought they were different.. Jun 08 01:10:20 heh Jun 08 01:10:28 I could have TWO assistants :P Jun 08 01:10:53 lol Jun 08 01:13:28 I usually switch to the real keyboard when I need to troubleshoot or explain something to someone. ;) Jun 08 01:13:51 yer, you are a bit terse on the small one - that probably explains it Jun 08 01:14:13 I'm fast on the finger keyboard, but not fast enough. Jun 08 01:18:12 set it down and hit the x. . . . Jun 08 01:23:12 gnite one and all :) enjoy your breakfast kot Jun 08 01:24:02 nite nite Jun 08 01:40:29 GAN800: Problems fix Jun 08 01:47:39 Does Maemo on the N810 try to log on as user or as UID 29999? Jun 08 01:53:05 heh Jun 08 01:53:11 you want to rename user to something else? Jun 08 01:53:55 Yeah Jun 08 01:54:05 do you have sshd installed? Jun 08 01:54:25 Yes Jun 08 01:54:33 I also have R&D mode enabled so I can drop into a root shell Jun 08 01:54:47 so do you really want to read the sources, or just do it ? :) Jun 08 01:55:52 * timelyx would of course make sure sshd has some authorized_keys available, but.. Jun 08 01:55:58 I''d like to just do it Jun 08 01:56:15 ...but if I were pointed in the right direction, I'd happily look through the sources as well Jun 08 01:57:06 So, recommend unto me case for N800 Jun 08 01:57:34 Wallet case prefer Jun 08 01:57:42 anyone notice that if you click on an mp3 file in the browser, it launches media player then immediately loses the file? Jun 08 01:58:31 robink: well, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb would let you use http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008 to browse through the sources ... Jun 08 01:58:52 unixSnob_dialup: define loses? Jun 08 01:59:52 timelyx: media player gives error "file not found" Jun 08 02:00:06 heh Jun 08 02:00:28 do you have a url in mind? Jun 08 02:00:37 (urls are appreciated when dealing w/ web browsers...) Jun 08 02:00:37 * pupnik passes around grimey tuna milkshakes for all Jun 08 02:00:38 m.grandcentral.com Jun 08 02:01:11 um Jun 08 02:01:16 i'm not making a username :) Jun 08 02:01:35 I broke my N810 trying to change user to someone else Jun 08 02:01:43 Reflashed and now the application manager isn't updating the list of applications. Jun 08 02:01:47 timelyx: it's more difficult than that, actually.. you need an invite Jun 08 02:02:00 unixSnob_dialup: WONTFIX ;-) Jun 08 02:02:22 NEEDTESTCASE (minimal of course) Jun 08 02:03:01 anyway... http://web-sniffer.net/ can help w/ normal content Jun 08 02:03:03 I wouldn't expect the particular site to make a difference.. the browser botches the handoff to the media player Jun 08 02:03:27 and in this very rare case you might benefit from strace -f to figure out which file names apps are using Jun 08 02:03:32 unixSnob_dialup: i'm the browserSnob Jun 08 02:03:45 and i don't take kindly to people assuming the browser is always broken :) Jun 08 02:03:58 it's 5am on a sunday, i have better things to do than listen to whining :) Jun 08 02:04:05 (sleeping comes to mind) Jun 08 02:04:28 if mp3 files never worked in the browser, you can be sure we'd have heard about it Jun 08 02:04:37 and in fact, we couldn't have shipped that way ... Jun 08 02:05:22 actually, having dinner would have been a better activity, but all the food places closed 4mins ago Jun 08 02:06:05 no refrigerator? Jun 08 02:08:06 If I save the mp3 file instead of opening it from the browser, and then launch the file in the file manager, it hands the mp3 file off to the media player just fine Jun 08 02:10:56 presumably if you load "/" in the browser and browse to the mp3 file, that too works... Jun 08 02:13:40 timelyx, it does Jun 08 02:14:18 Navi: this is for unixSnob_dialup ... i know it works :), unixSnob_dialup needs to experience it Jun 08 02:14:28 mmk Jun 08 02:14:35 ooh, dialup Jun 08 02:14:51 does anyone here even remember dialup? Jun 08 02:14:58 I do, I do Jun 08 02:15:05 * timelyx remembers 2400 baud (and occasional downgrades to 1200 ..) Jun 08 02:15:20 I'm not old enough for that Jun 08 02:15:24 i do, and if you treat gprs as dialup too.. ;) Jun 08 02:15:35 it isn't Jun 08 02:15:39 well Jun 08 02:15:41 it uses ppp Jun 08 02:16:04 dialup is when you use your cell phone for a POT call and then connect to a normal ISP Jun 08 02:16:08 My first modem was 2400 baud. Jun 08 02:16:10 and get double billed :) Jun 08 02:16:14 heh Jun 08 02:16:20 * GeneralAntilles recalls lusting over a 14k Jun 08 02:16:35 * rm_you recalls his first 24.4 modem Jun 08 02:16:36 i'm not sure i've ever really done that, but i know that we support it :) Jun 08 02:16:52 28.8 ? Jun 08 02:16:58 14.4 x2 Jun 08 02:17:03 err yes Jun 08 02:17:05 Ha Jun 08 02:17:06 28.8 Jun 08 02:17:14 * timelyx remembers v56 and flex and v2 and what a mess Jun 08 02:17:16 it was on a *LAPTOP* Jun 08 02:17:26 Kids. Jun 08 02:17:32 We had 300 baud and we _liked_ it. Jun 08 02:17:32 one of the first Toshiba Sattelites :P Jun 08 02:17:46 * KotCzarny had atari 800xl Jun 08 02:17:48 * timelyx had a tosh s pro 440cdt Jun 08 02:17:59 loading programs was 600baud afair Jun 08 02:18:00 my first computer was an Atari 400 Jun 08 02:18:05 :) Jun 08 02:18:10 unixSnob_dialup, hitting the open button on an MP3 works for me Jun 08 02:18:33 passes it off to media player and buffers Jun 08 02:18:36 atari 400 was basically 800 with less ram :) Jun 08 02:18:42 afair Jun 08 02:18:47 and fewer games Jun 08 02:18:48 Navi: yeah, same here.. it works as long as the browser does not have to download the file Jun 08 02:18:50 :) Jun 08 02:18:51 3 to be exact Jun 08 02:18:56 but who's counting? Jun 08 02:19:20 Navi: as soon as the browser does any kind of handling for files in the cloud, it loses it Jun 08 02:19:32 I had an IBM PC from 1981 in 1990. Jun 08 02:20:57 'o' Jun 08 02:23:26 i've seen the same effect on other linux apps.. where the app dumps a file in a temp space, forks the handler, and then in a separate thread bails cleanly, taking the file with it, before the forked app has a chance to access it. Jun 08 02:30:29 hey folks Jun 08 02:32:34 unixSnob_dialup: please don't conflate the browser w/ unix apps Jun 08 02:32:49 the problems we have w/ talking to the media player are fairly different Jun 08 02:33:09 it's more like the tower of babble problem Jun 08 02:33:19 2 people 4 incompatible languages Jun 08 02:33:24 and you'd be surprised it ever works Jun 08 02:33:31 http://incredimazing.com/page/Bruteforce_Cat Jun 08 02:34:02 heh Jun 08 02:34:14 Hey, that was my cat earlier today! :P Jun 08 02:35:22 Stupid hildon-desktop crashes. Jun 08 02:36:35 timelyx: Which package do I look at at http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008? Jun 08 02:36:46 I have the DN hack installed Jun 08 02:39:21 robink: either browse or find Jun 08 02:39:23 or search Jun 08 02:39:30 depends on if you know enough to do something Jun 08 02:39:42 searching for 'user' might be a bad idea :) Jun 08 02:39:44 timelyx: I don't know what I'm looking for as I have absolutely no clue which package includes the majority of the Maemo-specific init system. Jun 08 02:40:04 * timelyx nods Jun 08 02:40:31 I'm guessing the 'user' login is UID based Jun 08 02:40:41 so if I just change user's name to robink I should be OK Jun 08 02:40:47 I stupidly changed both name and UID last time Jun 08 02:40:51 heh Jun 08 02:41:51 * timelyx tries a search for "user" filter "29999" Jun 08 02:43:19 http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/find?string=/etc/ is actually interesting Jun 08 02:44:43 http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/find?string=init.d Jun 08 02:45:01 http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/maemo-launcher-0.26/debian/init.d Jun 08 02:45:17 * timelyx frowns, interesting but not helpful Jun 08 02:45:47 actually Jun 08 02:45:53 you'll want to keep that script in mind Jun 08 02:46:06 bad things will *clearly* happen if you change your username and homedir and don't fix it Jun 08 02:46:52 that script suggests searching for 'chuid' Jun 08 02:46:57 so, that's what i'm doing now :) Jun 08 02:47:32 * timelyx wonders if chuid is something specific to launcher :( Jun 08 02:48:51 well, interesting but unhelpful :( Jun 08 02:50:05 well... maybe... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 08 02:59:57 2008