**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 12 02:59:57 2008 Jun 12 03:00:56 to me it is the first gen of the tablet I really want, so I am hoping there is a second gen which irons out the little things and adds some other fluff that I don't care about now that will be all the rave later :) Jun 12 03:01:19 you will have to wait then Jun 12 03:01:38 one thing I want is some help on the graphics end, it is just sad that my 770 renders stuff without tearing that the 8x0s cant Jun 12 03:01:39 as there is no major changes to the design in the nearest few months Jun 12 03:01:56 maybe mythical n900 will suit you Jun 12 03:02:07 or just get a bt kb Jun 12 03:02:07 :) Jun 12 03:02:33 I have one for my 770, it is really useful but not what I like Jun 12 03:03:07 I got spoiled by by old Zaurus, I used to pace around pounding out code in that things thumb-board Jun 12 03:03:20 but it is seriously outdated now...that and I lost it... Jun 12 03:03:45 strange why nokia don't use backside of device for keyboard :) good place Jun 12 03:04:03 for gaming and blind typing :) Jun 12 03:04:17 Ugh Jun 12 03:04:37 WOW, forgot how quick these buggers flash Jun 12 03:06:58 It still amazes me how many people are blown away by my 770...it is such old tech nowadays but it was just made so...right. It is a shame that more people (non-geeks) don't use these Jun 12 03:08:37 so just reflashed my 770 gonna head over to gronmayer and add a crap load of repos, any weird conflicts lately? Jun 12 03:10:08 nope Jun 12 03:10:11 i think Jun 12 03:10:57 sweet Jun 12 03:13:12 i think i just persuaded somebody to get a n800 :D Jun 12 03:15:09 :D Jun 12 03:15:09 what was the argument? Jun 12 03:15:11 Woo Jun 12 03:15:27 pusher. Jun 12 03:18:24 he's a web development guy Jun 12 03:18:35 he got excoted about the webkit Jun 12 03:18:41 -o +i Jun 12 03:18:46 Is that like being excommunicated? Jun 12 03:18:47 oh Jun 12 03:19:47 so what browser do people use now on 2007? is the webkit one up to snuff now? Jun 12 03:20:43 http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ Jun 12 03:20:46 Hrm, anybody have any input on picking the council chairman? The current proposal is to have the member with the most votes as chairman, but I think the council should probably pick its own chair (and maybe default to the member with the most votes if a decision cannot be reached?). Jun 12 03:21:22 yeah that's a good idea Jun 12 03:22:29 I totally agree with that, votes from those outside of the council will be based largely on name recognition and not how good of a chairman they would make. The council members can be trusted to pick a good leader. Jun 12 03:22:53 yeah i agree Jun 12 03:23:11 i think also availability is another big thing that most people might not know about Jun 12 03:23:27 the council would Jun 12 03:23:31 yea good point Jun 12 03:25:53 n800m, that's some really outdated stuff you linked to Jun 12 03:26:02 yeah i saw the date Jun 12 03:26:34 The EAL went proprietary and alp quit working on it Jun 12 03:27:11 that sucks Jun 12 03:27:43 alp's still working on tablet optimizations though, if I heard right Jun 12 03:28:18 eal is painful. Jun 12 03:28:24 indeed Jun 12 03:28:46 we need less layers, not more. ;/ Jun 12 03:30:06 Anyways, I'm against the whole council thing :P Jun 12 03:30:25 what do you propose instead? Jun 12 03:31:01 Navi, then you don't understand its purpose. ;) Jun 12 03:31:11 Navi: Why exactly? Jun 12 03:31:15 GeneralAntilles, pfft Jun 12 03:31:45 It doesn't have any decision making power Jun 12 03:32:00 it's just there to provide a focus for community complaints and ideas. Jun 12 03:32:23 someone tell the council to get the source for some statusbar apps open :P Jun 12 03:32:38 I don't like my complaints to be focused... I much prefer ranting >_> Jun 12 03:32:41 rm_you, http://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency Jun 12 03:32:53 GeneralAntilles: can't open a web browser AT Jun 12 03:32:56 summatusmentis, so you'd rather nothing be done about complaints? Jun 12 03:33:04 rm_you, what, Opera broken? :P Jun 12 03:33:07 only my complaints Jun 12 03:33:21 GeneralAntilles: My computer is broken... Opera was actually the last browser to die Jun 12 03:33:28 besides, I'm just being a smartass, it's 11:30pm, I'm entitled :) Jun 12 03:33:36 Firefox went first, followed by IE, then finally Opera gave up the ghost Jun 12 03:33:40 rm_you: want a links2 binary? Jun 12 03:33:41 :) Jun 12 03:33:57 rm_you, your technology hates you. Jun 12 03:34:02 hard drives each have less than 20mb free Jun 12 03:34:10 they have that for windows? Jun 12 03:34:13 links2 is ~2-3mb Jun 12 03:34:14 and they're like 60% fragmented according to my utilities Jun 12 03:34:15 Community focus can be drawn without this retarded election-council-chairman shtick Jun 12 03:34:23 It's overcompication Jun 12 03:34:30 Like the webkit EAL Jun 12 03:34:35 it takes 60+ seconds to open a 500kb picture file Jun 12 03:34:36 Navi, it hasn't so far. Jun 12 03:34:38 i want a hero. Jun 12 03:34:56 Mr. I-just-joined-the-community-a-few-months-ago. ;) Jun 12 03:35:26 rm_you: ever considered using livecd ? Jun 12 03:35:27 :) Jun 12 03:35:32 Navi: First off it is not that complicated, secondly yea sure community focus can be gained without this...not exactly sure how, but this is a darn good way Jun 12 03:36:16 i am putting the community on notice. Jun 12 03:36:19 GeneralAntilles: is there an outline of the counil planning, description, etc. ? Jun 12 03:36:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council Jun 12 03:36:29 fysa: two weeks notice? Jun 12 03:36:30 :) Jun 12 03:36:32 I'm working on the real one as week speak. Jun 12 03:38:16 s/week/we/ Jun 12 03:38:16 GeneralAntilles meant: I'm working on the real one as we speak. Jun 12 03:38:29 um did xterm get a name change or something? I can't find it in my application list... Jun 12 03:38:37 osso-xterm Jun 12 03:38:43 It's included by default in OS2008 Jun 12 03:39:05 doh, I think it was always called that I just forgot Jun 12 03:39:10 using 2007he Jun 12 03:39:27 wanted canola2 was not sure of support for that on 2008he Jun 12 03:40:29 http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/ Jun 12 03:41:34 that and maemo-mapper are pretty much essential for me. Jun 12 03:41:34 another one? Jun 12 03:41:52 lol Jun 12 03:42:08 we need something more responsive...this is just a direct port Jun 12 03:42:26 use links2 Jun 12 03:42:27 :) Jun 12 03:43:00 but I like my pretty layouts and images Jun 12 03:43:07 :) Jun 12 03:43:35 then get a q1 ultra Jun 12 03:43:36 :) Jun 12 03:43:44 * thefool_ googles Jun 12 03:45:20 nice, but frankly the google tablet series has won some customer loyalty from me Jun 12 03:45:33 Google tablet? Jun 12 03:45:42 I meant to say nokia... Jun 12 03:45:45 :> Jun 12 03:45:46 my brain is fried... Jun 12 03:45:55 turn off wifi Jun 12 03:46:07 or move farther away :) Jun 12 03:46:10 or at least turn down the yagi! Jun 12 03:48:07 i wonder how that owb scores against maemo browsers Jun 12 03:48:24 oof... Jun 12 03:48:29 * summatusmentis wanders off to find food Jun 12 03:53:54 so how do I hit esc for vi? Jun 12 03:54:21 type arrow Jun 12 03:54:24 Press the escape key? Jun 12 03:54:32 yeah, escape key = arrow ;) Jun 12 03:54:34 on the 770.... Jun 12 03:54:37 The giant one on the front of the device? Jun 12 03:54:46 Xxaxx, arrow = dpad Jun 12 03:55:02 thefool_, the back key? :P Jun 12 03:55:10 on this button I see arrow :) Jun 12 03:55:35 house, table and arrow :/ Jun 12 03:55:37 Yes, but when people refer to an "arrow" it generally means a dpad or arrow buttons on a keyboard. Jun 12 03:55:48 ok :) Jun 12 03:55:55 was there a real solution in all of that? Jun 12 03:56:03 lol Jun 12 03:56:07 thefool_, the giant escape button below the dpad. . . . Jun 12 03:56:29 ok :) Jun 12 03:58:05 vi Jun 12 03:58:10 oops wrong window Jun 12 03:58:28 now we should beep at you Jun 12 03:59:54 what repo is becomeroot in? Jun 12 04:00:06 nitapps.com Jun 12 04:00:55 OK, first draft is up. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Jun 12 04:01:00 thanks Jun 12 04:05:47 GeneralAntilles: ah, that why you care about karma? Jun 12 04:05:52 GeneralAntilles: you wanna be on the council? Jun 12 04:05:52 No Jun 12 04:05:58 Not particularly Jun 12 04:05:59 :P Jun 12 04:06:05 I already have over 100, anyway. Jun 12 04:06:12 The karma system just kinda sucks right now Jun 12 04:06:15 and I'd like to see it improved. Jun 12 04:08:14 I thought that I had once read about an id3/tag editor for maemo on ITT... didn't find anything via search. Does anyone recall such an app? Jun 12 04:08:26 GeneralAntilles's totally going to be on the council Jun 12 04:08:52 chrisak-, I think the command line tools are in the repos Jun 12 04:08:54 KotCzarny: that's the second time :) easyroot is at nitapps.com Jun 12 04:08:57 not becomeroot Jun 12 04:09:32 navi, thanks - I'll look there Jun 12 04:09:57 Navi: he'd have to run right? Jun 12 04:10:37 I'm thinking people should be nominated. Jun 12 04:10:37 summa: bah, i use neither one :) ssh ftw! Jun 12 04:10:40 We'll have to thresh that out. Jun 12 04:12:12 KotCzarny: ssh doesn't get you anywhere when you're not sititng at a computer Jun 12 04:12:21 unless you're ssh'ing to localhost Jun 12 04:12:41 summa: you have answered your own argument :) Jun 12 04:12:52 I hereby nominate GeneralAntilles for the council Jun 12 04:13:04 is 'ssh root@localhost' really that much easier than 'root' ? Jun 12 04:13:05 GeneralAntilles: be my eyes and ears :P Jun 12 04:13:13 Ha Jun 12 04:13:24 summa: ssh root@0 Jun 12 04:13:28 even easier Jun 12 04:13:32 still longer Jun 12 04:13:38 bah, make an alias Jun 12 04:13:48 or just install easyroot... Jun 12 04:13:57 whatever, end result is the same I suppose Jun 12 04:14:02 easyroot doesn't allow me to login from my laptop Jun 12 04:14:08 nor to mount nit fs via sshfs Jun 12 04:14:13 so it's useless for me Jun 12 04:14:13 :) Jun 12 04:14:15 Woo, use both! Jun 12 04:14:18 and redundant Jun 12 04:14:50 I do like sshfs, I will agree Jun 12 04:14:52 and is not a hack Jun 12 04:15:04 i mean ssh is not a hack Jun 12 04:16:20 I wish there were better gsm coverage around here Jun 12 04:18:54 GeneralAntilles: where does karma come from? Jun 12 04:19:16 Funny you should ask: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3239 ;) Jun 12 04:19:20 http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil/ Jun 12 04:19:30 Generally speaking, stuff you do on maemo.org Jun 12 04:19:32 I had never thought of using ssh root@0 etc. Just tried and it prompts for a password, doesn't accept blank for some reason and I have never set a root password... Jun 12 04:19:39 rootme Jun 12 04:19:55 ah Jun 12 04:20:16 never knew that one Jun 12 04:20:35 no karma for downloading? :-P Jun 12 04:20:41 summatusmentis, drats! Jun 12 04:21:08 summatusmentis, just drop a few comments and ratings on the Downloads stuff. Jun 12 04:21:28 GeneralAntilles: oh, I care nothing about karma really Jun 12 04:21:51 don't wanna be part of the council... I was just curiosu Jun 12 04:21:53 curious* Jun 12 04:22:32 command line install was ipkg install package right? I am getting ipkg does not exist Jun 12 04:22:41 NO!!!! Jun 12 04:22:57 * thefool_ runs away Jun 12 04:22:58 1) ipkg is dead, opkg has taken it's place Jun 12 04:23:04 2) maemo uses apt-get :) Jun 12 04:23:20 lol woops Jun 12 04:23:35 was thinking OpenZaurus... Jun 12 04:23:37 no worries apt-get > opkg > ipkg Jun 12 04:23:52 OpenZaurus? have you been living under a rock? :-P Jun 12 04:24:14 LOL Jun 12 04:24:22 OpenMoko > Angstrom > OpenZaurus > * > Sharp ROM Jun 12 04:24:25 * rm_you doesn't miss OpenZaurus Jun 12 04:24:30 come on, get w/ the times Jun 12 04:24:39 heh Jun 12 04:24:57 rm_you: I whole-heartedly agree Jun 12 04:24:59 my Z had such a nice thumb-board though... Jun 12 04:25:08 I could do like 4owpm Jun 12 04:25:25 40* Jun 12 04:25:27 don's miss Maemo Jun 12 04:25:31 yeah I miss my Collie... but not OZ Jun 12 04:25:31 *don't Jun 12 04:25:38 my Z still has anice thumb board... I sometimes run into things on the nokia thumb board I used to be able to do on my Z Jun 12 04:25:54 rm_you: I've still got a collie around here somewhere Jun 12 04:26:40 yea, that is what I had Jun 12 04:27:08 I've got a terrier that I should be selling... I kinda don't want to though Jun 12 04:29:26 I *still* kinda want an akita+ Jun 12 04:29:34 C-xx00 series Jun 12 04:29:57 but i'm gonna save up for the N900 Jun 12 04:30:06 i wonder if they'll be doing a dev program Jun 12 04:30:11 I bet you could Jun 12 04:30:12 I might actually sign up this time Jun 12 04:30:15 Do. Jun 12 04:30:45 and maybe this time around it won't be a nightmare Jun 12 04:30:54 i mean... devs should get the device FIRST, not 4 months later Jun 12 04:31:07 Hehe Jun 12 04:31:11 Stupid Nokia stores. Jun 12 04:31:19 That's the problem with giant companies. Jun 12 04:31:41 How does nokia decide who gets to be a part of the dev program? Jun 12 04:32:05 Contributions Jun 12 04:32:12 karma factor into it. Jun 12 04:32:21 Blog writers, developers, community contributors Jun 12 04:32:22 The cooler you are, the less money you pay Jun 12 04:32:24 A lot of things. Jun 12 04:32:36 oh... then maybe I rescind my previous statement about not caring about karma :) Jun 12 04:32:44 Hehe Jun 12 04:32:49 I still don't, but you can go ahead and party Jun 12 04:32:58 summatusmentis, it's a good time to get into wiki editing. ;) Jun 12 04:33:01 or bug triaging Jun 12 04:33:10 bug triaging is fun Jun 12 04:33:14 I've got summer of code I've gotta deal w/ this summer Jun 12 04:33:19 GeneralAntilles: teach me how to triage :P Jun 12 04:33:22 maybe once school starts again Jun 12 04:33:26 rm_you, it's easy. Jun 12 04:33:35 GeneralAntilles: then teaching me should be easy :P Jun 12 04:33:41 It just takes forever to figure out the intricacies of bugzilla Jun 12 04:33:51 particularly maemo bugzilla before we got guernther and andre___. Jun 12 04:33:58 So I need to come up with a really nice professional looking blog by the time they start the next dev program :) Jun 12 04:34:00 guenther* Jun 12 04:34:45 rm_you, the first step is either to pick a component or three that you're interested in and think you could help with and watch those Jun 12 04:34:55 Or do what I do and set up a new bugs feed. Jun 12 04:35:37 As bugs come in, you look at them to make sure they're in the right product and component, for the right version, have the right severity and priority. Then you try and reproduce it. Jun 12 04:35:48 thefool_: presumably you need to have good blog content by the time they start the next dev program :) Jun 12 04:35:56 k Jun 12 04:36:09 exactly, back fill it all with smart sounding posts :) Jun 12 04:36:13 If you can reproduce it as described, you confirm it Jun 12 04:36:33 rm_you, http://live.gnome.org/Bugsquad/TriageGuide Jun 12 04:37:06 my skills as a programmer are still rather lacking so I think I would do more harm than good trying to fix bugs or something Jun 12 04:37:08 There's so much I want to do this summer Jun 12 04:37:12 and I have absolutely no time Jun 12 04:37:19 If i had a blog, it would be pages and pages of posts about how annoying it is trying to write code for the tablet when working against the company that produces it Jun 12 04:37:20 rm_you, you'll want to create a search like this: http://tinyurl.com/4olm94 Jun 12 04:37:24 summatusmentis, sad :( Jun 12 04:37:38 Navi: for real... Jun 12 04:37:46 thefool_, http://wiki.maemo.org is a good place to contribute. Jun 12 04:37:48 Whatcha doin' in GSoC? Jun 12 04:38:17 night Jun 12 04:38:29 implementing OpenAFS pioctl()s into kAFS(the red-hat kernel implementation) Jun 12 04:39:16 but I had no experience in kernel code, mediocre experience in C, and had never heard of OpenAFS before I applied Jun 12 04:39:25 GeneralAntilles: Wow...I thought the wiki was fairly fleshed out, I can certainly add a good bit of content to that one. I only have a 770 so it may be a bit platform specific but... Jun 12 04:39:47 thefool_, the old wiki was just replaced with that mediawiki Jun 12 04:40:20 ah, so should I just start by copying content that is still up-to-date? Jun 12 04:40:21 See http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group for more details Jun 12 04:40:28 thefool_, dneary is handling the move Jun 12 04:40:39 ok Jun 12 04:40:51 The old midgard articles are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki Jun 12 04:41:03 They need to be reviewed and updated to completely comply with mediawiki style and formatting Jun 12 04:41:17 Most of them are fairly out of date, too. Jun 12 04:42:57 yea, so what should I actually "do"? Is there someone I should talk to about this specifically? This is one of the few things I think I can actually be useful with so... Jun 12 04:43:30 'night all Jun 12 04:43:42 thefool_, well, step one is to make sure you have a Garage account, log into the wiki with that and add your name to the MAG members list. Jun 12 04:43:45 'night, summatusmentis. Jun 12 04:44:00 night summatusmentis Jun 12 04:44:11 That's where most of the wiki work will be organized from. Jun 12 04:44:11 FF3 doesn't like the temp cert, FYI thefool_ Jun 12 04:44:34 The most urgent thing is helping out with the midgard (the old wiki) migration Jun 12 04:44:40 yea, it has complained about my home hotspots one as well, no prob though I can just add an exception right? Jun 12 04:44:57 The articles on the category page that I linked you all need to be reviewed. Jun 12 04:45:21 thefool_: yep Jun 12 04:45:26 I have a garage account, how do I add myself to the MAG list? Jun 12 04:45:28 bed for real this time Jun 12 04:46:01 thefool_, hit edit on the Members section, then add a "# ~~~~" to the bottom of the list. Jun 12 04:46:08 I can do that, what do I do if I think it is too outdated to be of benefit? Jun 12 04:46:21 GeneralAntilles: ok Jun 12 04:46:23 thefool_, well, update what you can. Jun 12 04:46:31 Most of the REALLY outdated stuff has already been deleted Jun 12 04:46:45 So the stuff that's in there now should mostly be salvageable. Jun 12 04:47:04 If you're wondering about something, just ask about it in here Jun 12 04:47:11 somebody should chime in Jun 12 04:47:17 or hit myself or dneary up directly. Jun 12 04:47:28 We also need people to help developing templates Jun 12 04:47:43 which is a little more involved but a little less boring that trudging through nasty old midgard articles. Jun 12 04:47:52 s/that/than/ Jun 12 04:47:52 GeneralAntilles meant: which is a little more involved but a little less boring than trudging through nasty old midgard articles. Jun 12 04:47:55 well I should be able to help with that a bit as well Jun 12 04:48:02 See here: http://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Templates Jun 12 04:48:29 Here's our current template list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Template Jun 12 04:48:46 I'd like to develop a uniform style for message boxes and such Jun 12 04:48:58 so if you've got some talent for graphic design, that would be very appreciated. Jun 12 04:49:22 The existing templates all need to be documented, too. Jun 12 04:49:37 and a template for template documentation needs to be made. :D Jun 12 04:49:40 well it is nearly one here so I am bookmarking all this stuff, but should be able to actually do some work in the next few days Jun 12 04:49:51 thefool_, sounds awesome. Jun 12 04:49:55 We need all the help we can get Jun 12 04:50:01 feel free to ping me with any questions. :) Jun 12 04:50:09 will do Jun 12 04:51:35 well good night man Jun 12 04:51:52 'night Jun 12 04:57:48 http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/06/firefox-mobile-concept-video/ Jun 12 05:19:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law Jun 12 05:27:06 morning Jun 12 05:27:27 Hi lardman, dneary. Jun 12 05:27:38 Hi Jun 12 05:27:44 I'm not really here - be back later Jun 12 05:27:45 Both of you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Jun 12 05:27:46 :) Jun 12 05:27:50 :) Jun 12 05:28:03 I don't feel like I am either, far too early Jun 12 05:28:07 hi GeneralAntilles Jun 12 05:39:42 mooo Jun 12 05:40:01 lardman: so, have you found what the problem with short read()s was? Jun 12 05:40:15 RST38h: no, no idea Jun 12 05:40:51 RST38h: I moved to Diablo, which uses the same "api" as I was annoyed at wasting time on something trivial Jun 12 05:41:39 The code runs, and I get output :) Jun 12 05:41:45 but only ~1s Jun 12 05:41:52 I think it's running too slowly Jun 12 05:42:22 (this is when playing a file though mplayer and encoding to sbc for output in my headphones) Jun 12 05:43:15 Now what I could do with, is some way of creating .au/.snd files (BigEndian data, 32bit). Anyone have any ideas (or even just some random ones on the web)? Jun 12 05:43:45 mencoder ? Jun 12 05:44:15 KotCzarny: probably does, I'll look. I've never wanted to use .au stuff before :) Jun 12 05:44:33 just a guess though :) Jun 12 05:44:55 or use sox Jun 12 05:45:04 this one has .au/.snd 100% Jun 12 05:45:13 and allows byte endianness funky Jun 12 05:45:18 *funk Jun 12 05:45:28 ah ok, might be best Jun 12 05:45:47 it's stunningly hard to search for .au Jun 12 05:45:51 :) Jun 12 05:45:54 australia? Jun 12 05:46:22 yeah mainly, but even with -australia there's not much of use Jun 12 05:47:31 www-mmsp.ece.mcgill.ca/Documents/AudioFormats/AU/Samples.html Jun 12 05:47:39 my google fu is stronger than yours! Jun 12 05:47:40 :) Jun 12 05:47:45 first hit Jun 12 05:49:46 bloody hell, it is too! :S Jun 12 05:50:13 still probably too short for benchmarking though, I'll have a go with sox Jun 12 05:50:32 just looking for something suitably interesting as the input :) Jun 12 05:50:36 you should have said you need them for benchmarking Jun 12 05:50:59 h, it was scudding around in my head, probably just didn't make it out :) Jun 12 05:51:11 s/h/ah Jun 12 05:51:41 though .au were mostly used as system sounds etc Jun 12 05:51:55 so it's unlikely to find anything long Jun 12 05:53:10 www.ibiblio.org/pub/multimedia/sun-sounds/ Jun 12 05:53:13 yeah, that's the problem I've been having Jun 12 05:54:34 difficult to see if they are the right bitrate/endianness as .au seems to be used as a wrapper for raw data quite often Jun 12 05:54:54 use 'file' Jun 12 05:55:10 for some reason the bluez devs wrote a test program - sbcenc - which needs bigendian, 32bit .au data as its input Jun 12 05:55:26 ah good idea Jun 12 05:56:14 lardman: ! Jun 12 05:56:23 that site are all 8bit mono :( Jun 12 05:56:26 mplayer mplayer -identify -frames 1 could work too Jun 12 05:56:49 lardman: you want an mp3 or what? Jun 12 05:57:14 .au/.snd BE 32bit Jun 12 05:57:17 iirc Jun 12 05:57:22 might need 16bit Jun 12 05:57:24 urgh Jun 12 05:57:32 hang on, let me fire up my N810 and see what it wants Jun 12 05:57:42 oh you are encoding not decoding, sorry Jun 12 05:58:22 yep Jun 12 05:58:44 16bit data Jun 12 05:58:46 BE Jun 12 05:59:07 lardman: http://simplythebest.net/sounds/other_formats/Sun_Audio/index.html Jun 12 05:59:44 all too short really Jun 12 06:00:08 Heh, they are showing some WWII movie and have just used an IFA as German truck Jun 12 06:00:44 lardman, then soxify some mp3 Jun 12 06:00:45 :) Jun 12 06:00:58 yeah, reading the man page and going to do that now Jun 12 06:02:47 sox soxio: Failed reading `barfight.mp3': unknown file type `auto' Jun 12 06:02:48 hmm Jun 12 06:02:56 well Jun 12 06:03:00 convert to wav first Jun 12 06:03:01 ;) Jun 12 06:03:05 sox doesn't do mp3 Jun 12 06:03:13 oh, it does on the man page Jun 12 06:03:21 hmm? Jun 12 06:03:23 * KotCzarny checks Jun 12 06:03:34 MP3 files (with optional external library) - ah, perhaps I lack it Jun 12 06:03:34 interesting Jun 12 06:03:48 recompile time... Jun 12 06:05:03 yeah, looks like my sox is knackered, it won't even recognise a wav Jun 12 06:05:12 o.o Jun 12 06:05:18 or the syntax is b0rken Jun 12 06:05:19 :) Jun 12 06:06:01 these sorts of troubles are annoying Jun 12 06:06:34 try simple syntax: sox file.mp3 file.au Jun 12 06:07:35 same error Jun 12 06:08:21 does anyone know how I can get Open Street Map for Maemo Mapper? Jun 12 06:08:43 pekuja: change the map source Jun 12 06:08:45 lardman: mine seems working Jun 12 06:08:57 want a binary? Jun 12 06:09:32 and for mp3 it uses mad Jun 12 06:11:00 lardman, but what's the source url? Jun 12 06:12:14 pekuja: iirc there's a button in the app which will download all the source urls for you, you then choose from a drop-down list Jun 12 06:12:50 lardman, yeah, there is, but it didn't get me OSM :-/ Jun 12 06:12:54 KotCzarny: hang on, I'll see if I can work out what's wrong with mine first Jun 12 06:12:59 oh well, I think I found the right url: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%0d/%d/%d.png Jun 12 06:13:29 I was missing the fmt libraries Jun 12 06:13:33 lardman: alternatively, just grab slackware package and unpack it Jun 12 06:14:23 mine uses libasound Jun 12 06:15:15 Vodafone Italy has set an out-of-contract price for the iPhone 3G at 499/569 ($773/$881) for the 8GB/16GB models, respectively. Jun 12 06:15:26 cool, I think I'm sorted, at last. Thanks for the help Jun 12 06:15:36 lol Jun 12 06:15:50 quite a deal Jun 12 06:15:57 rst, grab 2! Jun 12 06:15:58 :) Jun 12 06:16:03 8 and 16? Jun 12 06:16:23 £442 for a 16GB thing with no buttons? Jun 12 06:16:31 correction: four Jun 12 06:16:43 What, the dpad? Jun 12 06:16:49 What dpad? Jun 12 06:16:52 you pay $100 for each button removed Jun 12 06:17:07 volume rocker, home button, and probably something else Jun 12 06:17:14 and 99$ for a brainwash Jun 12 06:17:56 4 buttons and a switch Jun 12 06:18:07 volume, home, lock and mute-switch Jun 12 06:18:56 Hello, how does one uses patches to patch Hacker OS 2008 on Nokia 770 in Linux ? Jun 12 06:19:29 I've flashed my Nokia 770 to the newest os 2008. Now I want to use patches > hacker2008-patches.tar.gz Jun 12 06:20:05 I asume patches are newer then the image it self, right ? Jun 12 06:20:17 * KotCzarny doesn't know Jun 12 06:20:19 Where is the location of these patches? Jun 12 06:20:23 check the timestamps Jun 12 06:20:30 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php Jun 12 06:20:44 you will need to use your nokia mac address to login. Jun 12 06:20:53 I only have a N800 one, ah well Jun 12 06:21:12 * qwerty12 googles Jun 12 06:21:20 how does one use the patches any ways? Jun 12 06:21:24 file.patch? Jun 12 06:21:45 No idea, that's why I'm trying to search it up so I can see Jun 12 06:21:54 http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html Jun 12 06:22:03 is this what I need ? Jun 12 06:22:09 looks like its right =D Jun 12 06:22:37 but how to apply this to nokia 770 no clue lol Jun 12 06:23:05 check the content of the tar.gz file Jun 12 06:23:19 no readme files nothing... Jun 12 06:23:21 or just use fanoush kernel Jun 12 06:23:22 :) Jun 12 06:23:30 This drives me nuts Jun 12 06:23:41 how hard is it to include readme files O_o Jun 12 06:23:41 unless it's something else Jun 12 06:23:46 if there are complete files probably you'll just need to untar in / Jun 12 06:23:51 it's a hacker edition Jun 12 06:23:59 ie. not for regular users Jun 12 06:24:00 yes Jun 12 06:24:01 :) Jun 12 06:24:07 lol Jun 12 06:24:11 if you are a hacker Jun 12 06:24:15 you will know what to do Jun 12 06:24:16 this is plain stupid ;-) Jun 12 06:24:17 if not Jun 12 06:24:24 that will save them on support calls Jun 12 06:24:25 :) Jun 12 06:24:28 even hackers edition should include readme Jun 12 06:24:53 unless programmer who created this os, does not know him self LOL Jun 12 06:25:04 NodeRazor are there any release notes? Jun 12 06:25:10 nope Jun 12 06:25:36 only INSTALL file, with... Jun 12 06:25:43 lol Jun 12 06:25:43 sudo flasher -F SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f Jun 12 06:25:46 this it Jun 12 06:25:49 Just open the tar.gz and post the first line of the patch Jun 12 06:26:00 just a sec Jun 12 06:26:39 ~lart Gnome browser for randomly "previewing" .au files if you accidentally place the mouse over them Jun 12 06:26:39 * infobot cuts off Gnome browser's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for randomly "previewing" .au files if you accidentally place the mouse over them Jun 12 06:26:50 lol Jun 12 06:26:50 here > http://pastebin.com/d69cb1712 Jun 12 06:27:10 I've scared my self a few times this morning Jun 12 06:27:17 note line 1 is pasted manually. Jun 12 06:27:26 code starts from line three Jun 12 06:28:02 it looks like you use > patch alsaconf-os2008-open.patch Jun 12 06:28:07 but I am not sure Jun 12 06:29:34 Also, is it possible to brick the Nokia 770 when updating or downgrading the os? Jun 12 06:29:52 unlikely Jun 12 06:29:57 99.99% safe Jun 12 06:29:59 Sounds like this one is applied to a rootfs from a N800(?) - http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Os2007On770/ - maybe this is relevant? Jun 12 06:30:25 cool, is there some kind of safty switch? Jun 12 06:31:38 yes, run and hide Jun 12 06:31:40 :) Jun 12 06:33:06 So basicly, I can flash my nokia 770 to newer or older version of os without worry that it will brick ? Jun 12 06:33:23 Right Jun 12 06:33:24 yes Jun 12 06:33:29 ;-) Nice Jun 12 06:33:29 Unless something goes wrong during the NOLO flash Jun 12 06:33:38 NOLO flash? Jun 12 06:33:38 Which is a few milliseconds Jun 12 06:33:46 ic Jun 12 06:33:57 so unless your computer crashes or you yank the cable in that incredibly small target window. . . . Jun 12 06:33:57 hmm, my audio file is 28.7s long according to mplayer, my sbctask decodes it in 21.22+0.17+2.06 sec Jun 12 06:34:07 Does any one in here uses 2008 Hacker Edition OS ? Jun 12 06:34:14 Both of mine are Jun 12 06:34:18 Just flash the image and move on. Jun 12 06:34:18 lardman: is it good or bad? Jun 12 06:34:30 KotCzarny: bad, I don't think it decodes it fast enough Jun 12 06:34:36 GeneralAntilles, did you notice the speed? Jun 12 06:34:45 GeneralAntilles, is it slower then 2006 edition? Jun 12 06:34:50 or 2007 Jun 12 06:34:54 I haven't used 2006 in a very long time Jun 12 06:34:55 It's different Jun 12 06:34:58 lardman: any optimization paths available? Jun 12 06:35:01 slower in some ways faster in others Jun 12 06:35:04 better overall Jun 12 06:35:15 ok, I've just re-flashed my nokia. Jun 12 06:35:40 Is it ok to ./flasher -R after I flash it? Jun 12 06:35:48 or should I just shutdown Jun 12 06:36:07 You should be using 2.0 Jun 12 06:36:13 because I see the progress bar all the way 100% Jun 12 06:36:14 or better Jun 12 06:36:15 rather Jun 12 06:36:15 yay, got gps packets to my aprs tnc :) Jun 12 06:36:18 from the tablet Jun 12 06:36:21 KotCzarny: no doubt, it's currently just a straight port Jun 12 06:36:29 over bluetooth no les Jun 12 06:36:30 less Jun 12 06:36:34 KotCzarny: but I thought it would be fast enough even without optimisations Jun 12 06:36:46 any official nokia guys around? Jun 12 06:36:48 what should I due? reboot or shutdown after the flash? Jun 12 06:36:48 NodeRazor, the correct command is: ./flasher-2.0 -F -f -R Jun 12 06:36:55 ic Jun 12 06:37:01 -R reboots the tablet Jun 12 06:37:02 so I can safely use -R now Jun 12 06:37:09 so ./flasher-2.0 -R Jun 12 06:37:16 ok cool Jun 12 06:38:17 wow Jun 12 06:38:25 instead of reboot it shutdown on me Jun 12 06:38:34 is it ok? Jun 12 06:38:59 * qwerty12 would be lying if I said that didn't happen to me but that's because I flashed some dodgy rootfs's I cooked up Jun 12 06:40:14 one more question, if I hold power button for more then 5sec. will it hard reboot or flash? Jun 12 06:40:28 I flashed my 770 to 2007HE and noticed that the wifi range is limited now. Jun 12 06:40:51 Before I used to surf while on the bed, now I NEED to come to the living room in order to connect to my AP Jun 12 06:41:18 NodeRazor, it's not a Palm Jun 12 06:41:29 There's no such thing as a "hard reboot" Jun 12 06:41:40 Think of it like a really small laptop Jun 12 06:41:49 anything in particular that I need to check? All the references I found in the maemo site is regarding decreasing wait time. Jun 12 06:41:53 yeah, I know Jun 12 06:42:20 I was just wondering, because last time I holded more then 5sec. and my wifi stoped working for some reason. Jun 12 06:43:16 i mean wlan_sleep_time Jun 12 06:43:29 lol Jun 12 06:43:53 Also, I can't seem to get WPA-PSK working on Nokia 770 Jun 12 07:10:18 Can I directly put the yuv data into n810's framebuffer? Jun 12 07:10:28 probably Jun 12 07:11:16 you mean it can display the yuv data correctly? Jun 12 07:11:44 without setup the fb device? Jun 12 07:12:32 i'm not an expert though.. Jun 12 07:14:33 ameng: you tell it the format of the framebuffer when you make the call to update it Jun 12 07:15:06 KotCzarny:I installed hello-world.deb package but application Icon is not loaded, It's giving warning:Could not load icon ,icon is not present in them Jun 12 07:15:33 lardman:How to do this? Jun 12 07:15:56 opendeep: what can i say, i don't know what to expect from hello-world.deb :) Jun 12 07:17:33 KotCzarny:It's a sample package created by fallowing http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html Jun 12 07:18:15 then assuming you have followed tutorial step by step, it's ok Jun 12 07:19:03 ameng: look at this code for example: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libvo/vo_nokia770.c?root=mplayer&view=markup Jun 12 07:19:48 lardman:Thanks Jun 12 07:19:59 np Jun 12 07:20:36 <_Zap__> does anyone know if the current BlueZ version has the support for extended inquiries? Jun 12 07:24:12 _Zap__: what's that? Jun 12 07:26:30 <_Zap__> bluez is bluetooth protocol stack Jun 12 07:26:55 <_Zap__> or did you mean what is extended inquiry? :) Jun 12 07:27:10 lol Jun 12 07:27:17 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com is it loading? Jun 12 07:27:27 Yes, beford. Jun 12 07:27:34 _Zap__: the extended inquiry bit :) Jun 12 07:30:54 hmm for some reason its not working on my end, gonna have to add the ip to hosts file :P Jun 12 07:32:43 "For the first time since 2003, Mozilla's FireFox looks like a modern browser, and not a skinnable memory heap testing tool." Jun 12 07:32:46 hehe Jun 12 07:33:09 Ha Jun 12 07:33:11 well Jun 12 07:33:19 i have installed 3.0rc4 yesterday Jun 12 07:33:23 and it looks worse Jun 12 07:33:26 imo Jun 12 07:33:27 :) Jun 12 07:33:33 but works nice Jun 12 07:34:04 very slow though, slower even than before Jun 12 07:34:11 esp on WinXP Jun 12 07:34:18 don't know Jun 12 07:34:23 i'm using it under linux Jun 12 07:34:39 yeah, seems better under Linux Jun 12 07:35:35 still using 2.x. still leaks. Jun 12 07:36:03 never ever go to google analytics with it =) Jun 12 07:36:08 :) Jun 12 07:37:43 I am all for an MSVC plugin that draws a turd on developer's screen every time his program uses a new[] or a malloc() Jun 12 07:38:01 And *leaves* turds there if the program does not free memory on exit Jun 12 07:39:48 what about coprophiliac programmers? Jun 12 07:41:50 Those will program for WindowsMobile Jun 12 07:42:12 turd++ Jun 12 07:42:20 And nobody cares about leaks there - you reboot it more often than it runs out of memory Jun 12 07:42:34 turd# Jun 12 07:43:20 .turd Jun 12 07:43:24 Turdix Jun 12 07:43:45 OSTurdX Jun 12 07:44:37 Turd64, now with more bandwidth! Jun 12 07:45:03 with dual channel architecture Jun 12 07:45:25 with signalling on rise and fall Jun 12 07:45:54 and quad core CTU Jun 12 07:46:19 that one is already taken Jun 12 07:46:22 AMD Turdeon Jun 12 07:46:26 O.o Jun 12 07:46:38 wasn't it triple core? Jun 12 07:49:26 hmmm ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/README_QTOPIA_GPL.txt Jun 12 07:49:29 yea, it actually caused a comment from Intel Jun 12 07:49:31 hope thats a hiccup Jun 12 07:49:45 That "Intel would rather make all four cores work" Jun 12 07:50:24 trickie|work: it is. qtopia phone sources will be back Jun 12 07:50:31 trickie: we will see in 3 weeks Jun 12 07:50:47 otherwise just hunt for mirrors Jun 12 07:50:48 ;) Jun 12 07:50:53 and make a backup Jun 12 07:51:09 yeah i think i got it stashed somewhere Jun 12 07:51:23 ljp: yeah should be fine, i have no reason not to believe them Jun 12 07:52:17 must be painful for some of the trolltech people... to be 'merged' into the nokia machine Jun 12 07:52:22 which is a much bigger machine :) Jun 12 07:52:46 it is. we shall see how it goes. but also painful for some nokians I presume Jun 12 07:52:52 i bet they got what they deserved Jun 12 07:52:53 :) Jun 12 07:53:46 ~lart crappy Gnome filemanager because every window dies if sftp:// goes down Jun 12 07:53:47 * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, crappy Gnome filemanager because every window dies if sftp:// goes down, this won't hurt a bit...." Jun 12 07:54:06 ljp: you work with trolltech? Jun 12 07:54:10 yes Jun 12 07:54:44 i used to be the community guy before I became an engineer Jun 12 07:55:06 ah ok... cool Jun 12 07:56:20 morning Jun 12 07:56:49 hi hrw Jun 12 07:57:02 morning Jun 12 07:57:26 hello Jun 12 07:58:14 morning Jun 12 07:59:08 hi trickie|work, X-Fade Jun 12 07:59:25 lardman: yo! hows it going with your dsp hacking? Jun 12 07:59:43 sorta been watching, haven't had much free time since linuxtag Jun 12 07:59:53 trickie|work: I've got sound coming out, just only ~1s worth - running too slowly Jun 12 08:00:06 * timelyx frowns Jun 12 08:02:47 lardman: hmmm well progress is progress i guess Jun 12 08:02:59 yeah, heading the right way Jun 12 08:03:10 um, diablo isn't released yet, right? Jun 12 08:03:32 Righ Jun 12 08:03:33 no Jun 12 08:03:35 t Jun 12 08:05:59 what kernel was OS2008 based on? Jun 12 08:08:08 2.6.21 Jun 12 08:08:50 doh, I have meant 2007 :) Jun 12 08:09:34 2.6.18 Jun 12 08:12:28 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6-stable.git;a=commit;h=a086bcfa9947a04075f446fe4ee435070ced9bb9 Jun 12 08:12:28 I guess this patch will fix RNDIS Jun 12 08:17:58 zap: that change fixes a bug introduced after 2.6.18 Jun 12 08:18:02 according to the commit log Jun 12 08:34:54 trickie|work: exactly, RNDIS was working in OS2007 and doesn't in OS2008 Jun 12 08:36:02 zap: ah ok... i thought you were going to try and apply it for 2.6.18 Jun 12 08:36:29 filled a bugreport, just to not lose track of it Jun 12 08:37:38 What a pity, a one-liner patch would solve all those XP/usb networking problems Jun 12 08:38:04 zap: are you wanting to use rndis on WinXP? Jun 12 08:38:18 I don't use windows, but a few of my friends do Jun 12 08:38:20 zap: you've presumably seen the linux.inf file? Jun 12 08:38:24 sure Jun 12 08:38:31 I tried hard, believe me :) Jun 12 08:38:46 and it still doesn't work even using that? Jun 12 08:38:49 there are threads on different forums about it Jun 12 08:38:51 yes Jun 12 08:38:58 for example: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17977 Jun 12 08:39:50 fair enough Jun 12 08:41:14 anyone know if there is any major kernel changes in diablo? version bumps? or just wimax device support? Jun 12 08:42:03 zap: you should get andre___ or someone to hopefully push that patch for diablo Jun 12 08:42:24 yes, having that in diablo is important Jun 12 08:42:36 if its not frozen or whatever... not sure of the status these days Jun 12 08:42:46 :( Jun 12 08:43:09 in this case a 3rd party deb'ed g_ether.ko will be needed Jun 12 08:43:40 see you chaps in a bit Jun 12 08:44:12 trickie|work, should just be IPv6 and WiMAX stuff. Jun 12 08:44:51 zap: what's the bugs.maemo.org for this? :) Jun 12 08:44:57 GAN800: ah k Jun 12 08:48:32 timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3243 Jun 12 08:53:59 kinda late... do you have enough sources to rebuild the kernel to verify that it fixes it? Jun 12 09:00:58 I posted a bug report, but don't have the sources yet Jun 12 09:01:29 I'll try it now, but it's the first time in my life to deal with scratchbox Jun 12 09:07:05 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Jun 12 09:07:12 Anybody knows what's this? (Fedora 9) Jun 12 09:07:22 disable vdso Jun 12 09:07:57 zap, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208 Jun 12 09:08:16 echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled Jun 12 09:08:26 or something like that Jun 12 09:09:05 hmm, no /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled here Jun 12 09:09:37 zgrep VDSO /proc/config.gz Jun 12 09:09:37 CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO=y Jun 12 09:10:03 I must enable or disable vdso? Jun 12 09:11:11 disable Jun 12 09:11:23 will try vdso=0 on kernel command line Jun 12 09:11:33 zap: thanks Jun 12 09:14:14 Does Nokia 770 support 4gb rs-mmc or mmcmobile cards ? Jun 12 09:14:22 or just 2gb.... Jun 12 09:14:53 same thing :( Jun 12 09:15:10 oh, fedora uses selinux right? Jun 12 09:15:15 here what it says in wiki > Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GiB (2GiB after flash upgrade)) Jun 12 09:15:19 I think you need to disable that too Jun 12 09:15:27 beford, yes Jun 12 09:15:35 beford, you can disable it Jun 12 09:15:46 NodeRazor, do 4GB rs-mmcs even exist? :/ Jun 12 09:15:53 zap: im building you a kernel with the patch Jun 12 09:15:56 yes Jun 12 09:16:02 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290237519963&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=300232974713&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4 Jun 12 09:16:07 sorry for big link Jun 12 09:16:11 _RS_-mmcs? Jun 12 09:16:32 here > http://tinylink.com/?RyaZGt0vGV Jun 12 09:17:01 I am just not sure if it will support it .... Jun 12 09:17:21 trickie|work: thank you alot Jun 12 09:17:26 beford, here is how to disable selinux > http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/disable_selinux.html Jun 12 09:17:34 beford: I disabled selinux long ago Jun 12 09:19:17 I have selinux=0 vdso=0 on kernel command line Jun 12 09:20:01 cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled ? Jun 12 09:20:04 I can just recompile scratchbox, I think Jun 12 09:20:07 there's no such file Jun 12 09:21:19 oh hmm Jun 12 09:21:22 zap: try http://trickie.xs4all.nl/zImage Jun 12 09:21:32 just stock maemo kernel with that one patch Jun 12 09:21:41 umm Jun 12 09:21:47 the patch is for g_ether.ko? Jun 12 09:21:55 is it statically linked into the kernel? Jun 12 09:22:16 ah pff Jun 12 09:22:18 of course Jun 12 09:22:19 hang on Jun 12 09:26:15 hmm Jun 12 09:26:19 strace shows me: Jun 12 09:26:25 open("/scratchbox/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Jun 12 09:26:25 writev(2, [{"Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ....... Jun 12 09:26:59 is there a x64 version of 0xFFFF Jun 12 09:27:03 with gui Jun 12 09:27:35 NodeRazor, MicroSD != rs-mmc Jun 12 09:28:08 gui? . . . Jun 12 09:28:42 zap: the patch, and the patch that introduced the bug do not apply cleanly Jun 12 09:28:48 zap: doesn't build straight up Jun 12 09:29:03 GAN800, WHAT? Jun 12 09:29:15 im at work, so i can play later... but for now i gotta get back to it Jun 12 09:29:17 RS-MMC is not MicroSD Jun 12 09:29:22 :/ Jun 12 09:30:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroSD Jun 12 09:30:34 trickie|work: sad and strange Jun 12 09:31:25 xpcom is available for maemo? Jun 12 09:32:21 lol Jun 12 09:32:30 * GAN800 is really confused now. Jun 12 09:32:48 rs-mmc uses different voltages Jun 12 09:32:54 If I remember correctly Jun 12 09:32:59 yes Jun 12 09:33:10 although these are in a range available to MicroSD controller Jun 12 09:33:15 although the interface is the same Jun 12 09:33:22 protocol level conversion is very easy Jun 12 09:33:37 I'm not sure how somebody comes to the conclusion that rs-mmc is the same thing as MiniSD Jun 12 09:35:23 they look about the same Jun 12 09:35:38 Not really. Jun 12 09:35:40 so if you are not looking close enough they will be the same to you Jun 12 09:35:45 nah Jun 12 09:35:51 they're different in shape Jun 12 09:36:09 also, no one makes miniSD now Jun 12 09:36:21 rs-mmc looks like an sd card cut in half. Jun 12 09:36:31 yup Jun 12 09:42:59 zap: try http://trickie.xs4all.nl/g_ether.ko Jun 12 09:43:17 oh, surprise! :) Jun 12 09:43:22 :) Jun 12 09:43:25 don't tell my boss Jun 12 09:43:33 shh! Jun 12 09:43:54 zap: it probably will not change the situation, but just added some changes from the original patch that broke it and the fix Jun 12 09:43:59 see if it works Jun 12 10:14:27 <_< http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Defining_maemo#Building_a_strong_brand Jun 12 10:15:13 re Jun 12 10:16:04 :( same ass Jun 12 10:16:21 GeneralAntilles, agreed Jun 12 10:16:52 It would help answer "Is maemo opensource?" If *I* even was sure what the name maemo included Jun 12 10:17:20 Hehe Jun 12 10:17:31 'Maemo SW marketing team @ Nokia' Jun 12 10:17:37 weire Jun 12 10:17:53 s/weire/weird/ Jun 12 10:17:53 GAN800 meant: weird Jun 12 10:19:36 May I ask a stupid question? Jun 12 10:19:46 zap: no go? must be something in the bigger original patch Jun 12 10:20:14 RST38h, only if you're sure it's a stupid question :) Jun 12 10:20:31 does infobot actually do regexes on previous lines? Jun 12 10:20:47 Why would you need to "build a strong Maemo brand" when Maemo is just a code name for Nokia's ITOS? Jun 12 10:20:58 pekuja, it only does string replacement, not real regexes Jun 12 10:21:00 uhm...cause it's not really Jun 12 10:21:03 maemo isn't a codename for ITOS Jun 12 10:21:11 In fact, why would you even need to make ITOS a brand when Nokia sells devices rather than OS? Jun 12 10:21:11 s/o/u/ Jun 12 10:21:11 pekuja meant: dues infobot actually do regexes on previous lines? Jun 12 10:21:12 It's a development platform. Jun 12 10:21:16 s/o/u/g Jun 12 10:21:18 pekuja meant: dues infubut actually du regexes un previuus lines? Jun 12 10:21:23 Ok, it is a development platform for ITOS Jun 12 10:21:24 neat Jun 12 10:21:34 (sorry. I'll stop playing now) Jun 12 10:21:41 It is the ONLY development platform for ITOS right now, it's not competing with other platforms Jun 12 10:21:48 Nah, not quite, it's a development platform that's USED for ITOS Jun 12 10:21:55 So, where does the brand thing play out? Jun 12 10:22:01 I don't know. Jun 12 10:22:10 and, no, nobody else uses it right now. Jun 12 10:22:13 RST38h, some parts of maemo *can* and *are* used on other platforms Jun 12 10:22:20 Then why do you have a wiki page about building it asa brand? :) Jun 12 10:22:23 Well, parts. Jun 12 10:22:27 johnx: yea, I know Jun 12 10:22:30 RST38h, I don't. Jun 12 10:22:32 Hildon. In Moblin. Jun 12 10:22:41 GA: Who came up with the page then? Jun 12 10:22:48 Mr. Peter Schneider does Jun 12 10:22:52 Oh Jun 12 10:22:55 See the signature, RST38h. :) Jun 12 10:22:58 Anyone I know? =) Jun 12 10:23:01 "--peterschneider 08:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)" Jun 12 10:23:09 "peterschneider is heading the Maemo SW marketing team @ Nokia" Jun 12 10:23:12 Whatever that is. Jun 12 10:23:15 Ah Jun 12 10:23:48 this sounds more like a B2B job Jun 12 10:24:03 trickie|work: what exactly have you patched? As far as I understand, the only thing that should be applied is that one-liner patch Jun 12 10:24:16 As in "Let us talk HTC into using Maemo SW and see them overtake Nokia" Jun 12 10:24:37 [or fail miserably] Jun 12 10:24:39 zap: adding that one line breaks compile as the 'n' var is not in the original source Jun 12 10:24:59 so i added the change that introduced the 'n' Jun 12 10:25:30 but not the rest of the patch, as some hunks failed, and i didn't really have time to look further Jun 12 10:25:54 aha Jun 12 10:26:03 mbuf: err. microb which is part of os2008 is built on gecko which is built on xpcom... Jun 12 10:26:19 okay, thank you. I'll try to make scratchbox work first, and then I'll look at it Jun 12 10:26:30 zap: i think with a little work 0cf4f2de0a0f4100795f38ef894d4910678c74f8 could applied Jun 12 10:26:37 and then the one liner Jun 12 10:26:50 zap: have fun :) Jun 12 10:26:54 hehe =))) Jun 12 10:27:08 GAN800: fwiw, i think the url you pointed to is going to get a lot funnier eventually Jun 12 10:27:14 embedded development always tempted me :) Jun 12 10:27:31 that introduced the 'n' Jun 12 10:27:31 13:25 < trickie|work> but not the rest of the patch, as some hunks failed, and i didn't really have time to look further Jun 12 10:27:35 13:25 < zap> aha Jun 12 10:27:39 arrgh Jun 12 10:27:58 inz: do you experience this problem? Jun 12 10:28:18 zap, no, I just have problems with PuTTY Jun 12 10:35:24 If anyone's bored, take a look at my email to the dev list and see if you can spot a mistake in my logic about ARM->DSP transfer speeds (and ask because I've probably not explained myself enough) Jun 12 10:38:47 lardman: ah, I wish I knew enough to help :( Jun 12 10:38:51 how is it going? Jun 12 10:39:14 rm_you: did you say high to gavin? he thought you were a ghost :( Jun 12 10:39:28 zap: let me see what i can do about 3243 - thanks for the report Jun 12 10:39:31 rm_you: sound output, but only a little bit Jun 12 10:39:39 timelyx: lol Jun 12 10:39:46 timelyx: was that on foxymonkies? Jun 12 10:40:00 I got a highlight from SOMEONE but it scrolled off before I woke up :( Jun 12 10:40:08 lardman: :( Jun 12 10:40:27 yeah Jun 12 10:40:31 ah Jun 12 10:40:51 rm_you: it can be fixed, just need to look at speeding up the code, assuming that's the problem Jun 12 10:40:55 just gave him a shoutout :) Jun 12 10:43:23 zap: the patch that broke RNDIS is part of a series, i think you may have to apply the whole series Jun 12 10:43:34 zap: or pick out the correct changes from the series Jun 12 10:45:00 zap: i mangled the patch from 0cf4f2de0a0f4100795f38ef894d4910678c74f8 to apply, but it needs changes from the patch series it came in i think Jun 12 10:45:49 zap: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg56532.html i believe Jun 12 10:46:11 ill try and apply them and see what happens :) Jun 12 10:50:04 rm_you /lastlog rm_you TO FIND IT Jun 12 10:50:14 sorry vnc has stuck caps lock Jun 12 10:50:30 lardman, is there any chance that you are encoding MUCH more than a frame of data at a time -ie instead of just dealing with (for instance) 1200kb you are processing 4800kb, or repeating a block or something? Jun 12 10:51:13 nice> i want to go to work at noon Jun 12 10:51:32 lol ive been here all morning, i just managed to get on now Jun 12 10:51:39 :) OK jk Jun 12 10:51:48 pupnik: that didn't do anything? :( Jun 12 10:51:50 but its a godo idea Jun 12 10:52:16 FEH Jun 12 10:56:52 timelyx, thanks! Jun 12 11:03:31 zap: http://trickie.xs4all.nl/g_ether.ko Jun 12 11:03:44 zap: again no guarantees it will not eat your mother Jun 12 11:03:49 :)) Jun 12 11:03:53 I won't tell your boss Jun 12 11:03:54 but that has more of that patch series applied Jun 12 11:03:56 :) Jun 12 11:07:11 What's this fixation some people have on restricting developer's from developing what they feel like developing. :/ Jun 12 11:07:46 ?? Jun 12 11:08:10 Largely an itT phenomenon Jun 12 11:08:40 GAN800, I think it's a confusion about how OSS projects are run Jun 12 11:08:47 people complaining that there are too many media players and the developer's shouldn't make them. Jun 12 11:08:54 I know I had the same confusion 10 years ago or so Jun 12 11:09:20 johnx I'm unfamiliar with it. Jun 12 11:09:47 Somehow it's difficult for people to grasp the idea that no one is "telling them what to do" I think Jun 12 11:10:12 also, everyone loves to be armchair managers Jun 12 11:10:23 A bit of the 'if these resources weren't going to all these separate projects they would all be going to one perfect project'? Jun 12 11:10:32 zap: hmmm, you may even need to use http://trickie.xs4all.nl/zImage to load that module... not sure Jun 12 11:11:01 AbelMN always cracks me up. He's like a Darius Jr. Jun 12 11:11:13 zap: but you can boot (and not flash) the kernel to test the module using the flasher Jun 12 11:11:14 GAN800, my second favorite one is "I wish I could help, but I don't know how to program." Jun 12 11:11:29 trickie: it loads fine with default kernel Jun 12 11:11:36 GAN800, It's like, "yeah well neither did I...until I sat down and *&$%ing learned" Jun 12 11:11:58 Hehe Jun 12 11:13:00 whenever someone says that I translate it as "I'd like you to think I care, but I can't be bothered to put time or effort into it." Jun 12 11:13:12 johnx: really? Jun 12 11:13:34 what's wrong w/ "i wish i can help, i can't program, but i'll offer someone $100 to help do X" Jun 12 11:13:40 nothing Jun 12 11:13:47 people should be taught that it isn't fair to say "i wish i can help, but i can't" Jun 12 11:14:00 if they want to say something, it should be "here's how i can help" Jun 12 11:14:13 if that means offering encouragement, that's still something Jun 12 11:14:14 also, "I'd like to help with documentation" is a *great* Jun 12 11:14:14 :( Jun 12 11:14:21 johnx: heh Jun 12 11:15:04 It's only the people who ask for something but aren't willing to put in any effort on their part Jun 12 11:16:00 Meh, who cares about asking. What bothers me are the people with overwhelming senses of entitlement who DEMAND. Jun 12 11:16:59 GAN800: yeah, as a programmer myself, I usually offer to just pay Jun 12 11:17:09 GAN800: i think i've stopped reading maemo-devel because of that Jun 12 11:17:16 i need to write my blog post about it Jun 12 11:17:23 I've been developing for web too long, I suck at other kind of projects :) Jun 12 11:17:43 -occasional patch and testing Jun 12 11:18:01 itT is like -devel x1000 Jun 12 11:19:57 wiza: heh, welcome Jun 12 11:20:37 wiza: you have a tablet now ? Jun 12 11:20:41 onion: well, they finally added the keyboard and no slide-out qwerty phones with linux out from HTC yet Jun 12 11:20:52 onion: yep, I've had n810 for couple of weeks now Jun 12 11:21:36 onion: no need to take laptop with me everytime I leave from home for the weekend, which is like everyother weekend =) Jun 12 11:21:48 I am getting fallowing warning when I running sample hello-world application after installing hello-maemo.deb package Jun 12 11:21:55 hildon-desktop[7385]: GLIB DEBUG default - Could not load icon 'bablu_icon_26 ': Icon 'bablu_icon_26 ' not present in theme Jun 12 11:22:22 Any one help me Jun 12 11:22:38 wiza: happy with it ? Jun 12 11:22:42 onion: bought 3g phone too, after my employer bought us 384kbps 3g data connections to our phone contracts Jun 12 11:23:30 onion: well, I can use email, web(facebook \o/), im and irc, so what's not to like, I also tested wayfinder last weekend on my pori - asikkala - kurikka - pori trip Jun 12 11:24:14 not so much looking at the screen since I was riding my bike but it kept gps fix even in my jacket pocket Jun 12 11:24:25 while going 140 kph :p Jun 12 11:25:28 wiza: you use it for navigation ? Jun 12 11:27:57 onion: yep, it just takes cigaret or two to get the initial fix Jun 12 11:28:20 onion: I'm thinking about paying for wayfinder, just used up the 7 day trial Jun 12 11:28:59 wiza: well, it's slow to get a fix.. I still prefer my bt gps Jun 12 11:29:21 onion: but after it has the fix, it doesn't loose it Jun 12 11:29:33 wiza: true Jun 12 11:30:01 onion: I had it for over 100kms in my bikejackets inside pocket and it still had the fix Jun 12 11:30:30 onion: I'm just waiting for proper a2dp support, currently I listen music from my phone while driving Jun 12 11:30:50 so I mostly use it as a map that knows where I am Jun 12 11:31:12 wiza: mapper or maemo-mapper can do that for free Jun 12 11:31:43 onion: doesn't that need internet connection for routing? Jun 12 11:31:54 I still like to check where I should go Jun 12 11:33:28 wiza: for now, but mapper will get proper offline routing some day Jun 12 11:35:47 onion: any work being done on it? Jun 12 11:35:59 onion: maybe I just gonna buy wayfinder for montly basis Jun 12 11:37:23 wiza: no, no right now.. I'm rewriting a bunch of stuff into proper widgets and gobjects Jun 12 11:43:33 onion: yep, my problem is that I don't always have internet connection, sometimes I'm in places where even gprs doesn't work properly Jun 12 11:44:27 onion: is there proper maps for finland somewhere, and don't say openstreetmap :D Jun 12 11:46:11 wiza: some finish group made maps available Jun 12 11:46:49 is there any way to use n810 to put stuff to osm? Jun 12 11:47:00 wiza: well, you can always use google maps Jun 12 11:47:39 wiza: and nokia released some special .fi maps Jun 12 11:47:48 lardman, gan800, et al have you seen: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhmd4jxt_58ftzb2h Jun 12 11:48:38 trickie|work: I have installed a windoz tool that will show flowing USB requests... afer PC sends the first RNDIS request down to the device there's no response... Jun 12 11:49:06 timelyx, just got the blanking bug scrolling horizontally there. ;) Jun 12 11:50:08 * timelyx grumbles Jun 12 11:51:12 Anyway, no, I have not seen it. What is it? Jun 12 11:51:26 * timelyx shrugs Jun 12 11:51:33 i didn't write it recently, so i don't remember :) Jun 12 11:51:35 have a look ;-) Jun 12 11:51:58 zap: hmmm ok, well that patche series didn't apply very well to the maemo src, so i just mangled it as best i could... might have missed something... or there are later changes that need to be be brought in also Jun 12 11:52:16 zap: sorry, im out of ideas :) Jun 12 11:52:34 no problems :) Jun 12 11:53:03 the info for ctrl is great :D Jun 12 11:53:20 ? Jun 12 11:53:27 Looks useful, anyway. Jun 12 11:53:38 ctrl - "you aren't using a real keyboard" Jun 12 11:53:39 onion: you know about any fon/wippies autologin apps? Jun 12 11:53:46 * GAN800 files it as reference material for the triager's guide. Jun 12 11:53:55 but yes, this is good info Jun 12 11:54:10 it answers my questions about official terminology for the vkb and fkb Jun 12 11:54:24 wippies annoyed the hell out of me when I was trying to connect to my own network but kept getting connected to my neighbour's wippies ap >__< Jun 12 11:55:08 wiza: sorry, no Jun 12 11:55:23 onion: damn Jun 12 11:55:43 wiza: I know.. it's a pain to login to spark here Jun 12 11:56:01 I've actually broadcasting 5 essids in my apartment... :p Jun 12 11:56:21 zap: maybe a trace of usb requests attached to the bug will help Jun 12 11:56:25 pekuja, :) then you should cancel your ISP subscription and just use your neighbours: Nokia internet tablet:- saving you internet bills since 2005 Jun 12 11:56:43 zap: using default kernel + module Jun 12 11:57:20 I'll attach a trace Jun 12 11:57:52 personally i think i like the description for "app" :) Jun 12 11:57:56 lcuk_work, hehe. well you have to pay for wippies, don't you? Jun 12 11:58:53 there's a web based login system Jun 12 12:00:39 timelyx: ha, i agree... useful doc Jun 12 12:00:47 scripting the autologin would actually be easy, just little python w/ curl etc... but how to make tablet automatically connect all fon/wippies hotspots Jun 12 12:06:56 X-Fade, is there anything from http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhmd4jxt_20t8hvv7 that i should act on? Jun 12 12:09:06 trickie|work: i have a bunch of docs obviously :( Jun 12 12:09:45 * timelyx also has a bunch of random empty files Jun 12 12:10:29 lcuk_work: I think not, I simple encode whatever is passed to the fn Jun 12 12:10:46 lcuk_work: which is ~512 8bit bytes in and ~120 out iirc Jun 12 12:12:49 andre___: you'll probably want to read through these docs.google urls at some point :) Jun 12 12:13:25 hi Jun 12 12:13:59 does anybody know a good tutorial or example for creating destructor for my own widget? Jun 12 12:21:39 Navi: i'm not really sure what the status of regular browser binaries would be Jun 12 12:21:50 i know that getting first approval for the beta was a pain Jun 12 12:22:03 but we were able to do a couple of updates w/ less paperwork Jun 12 12:22:34 i think in the end the reason we didn't do weekly stuff was that it required significant manual labor and we didn't really have any capacity to handle any responses Jun 12 12:23:03 (and the person doing that labor was actually the primary engineer, so he shouldn't have been doing it ... otherwise no engineering gets done) Jun 12 12:23:34 given that diablo ssu is clearly able to ship updates to the browser for "free" (i.e. no effort required of the browser team) Jun 12 12:24:10 i think we'd hope that ssu would continue and a more formalized system (i.e. some advertisement and possibly a barrier to entry) could be established Jun 12 12:24:24 the barrier is a personal preference. i don't want the itt demands people bothering us Jun 12 12:24:39 I think we can all agree on that Jun 12 12:25:16 Hehe Jun 12 12:25:18 * timelyx finds an email w/ no title, no message, and a 2k attachment Jun 12 12:25:35 also, that sounds like really positive news Jun 12 12:25:47 note: this isn't news and it certainly isn't a formal position Jun 12 12:25:55 right, of course Jun 12 12:26:00 i do know and believe it's fairly public that ssu is a goal for the future Jun 12 12:26:06 positive mumblings then :) Jun 12 12:26:26 afaiu the goal is that the next thing after diablo would be officially available via ssu Jun 12 12:26:33 but that's probably diablo sr Jun 12 12:26:48 if chinook is 4.0, and diablo is 4.1, then that'd be 4.1.1 Jun 12 12:27:03 and there's of course no guarantee such a thing will exist Jun 12 12:30:00 so like I said then, "positive mumblings" :) Jun 12 12:30:57 * timelyx nods Jun 12 12:31:11 andre___: could you or someone like you please find or file a bug to match 1163 Jun 12 12:31:20 it's annoying that it hasn't made its way somewhere Jun 12 12:31:57 lcuk_work: this may be somewhat interesting for you: http://www.atoker.com/blog/2008/06/12/webkit-meta-a-new-standard-for-in-game-web-content/ Jun 12 12:32:23 * timelyx kicks a web browser "wake up!" Jun 12 12:32:31 people made webkit work on opengl, with no requirement of a conventional UI toolkit Jun 12 12:33:01 mgedmin: bah, crystalzilla showed that was possible years ago Jun 12 12:33:38 http://interreality.org/projects/crystalzilla/ Jun 12 12:40:23 * timelyx frowns Jun 12 12:40:32 11:38 thp qgil: for closed packages, there should be a defined, documented way of reporting bugs and sending improvements that can be dealt with Jun 12 12:40:49 I love it that HAVA will run fine for 8 hours when I fall asleep with it on, but can't manage 30 minutes when I'm actually watching it. Jun 12 12:41:02 did i miss something? is there some component (ignoring skype/rhaposdy) where we don't have bugs.maemo.org handling? Jun 12 12:41:02 q Jun 12 12:41:08 GAN800, that means the DRM is working :D Jun 12 12:42:01 I didn't get the comments in #630 about that either. Jun 12 12:42:14 630? Jun 12 12:42:41 The 'getting the developer's involved' bug Jun 12 12:42:55 i read that bug <1hr ago Jun 12 12:43:00 i can't really remember it Jun 12 12:43:07 sad thing is, i've also commented in it Jun 12 12:44:30 Quim seems to be going a little more black and white with than what I think most people are after. Jun 12 12:45:44 johnx/gan800: have you guys started trying to drive fennec ui ? :) Jun 12 12:45:51 has anyone tried devicescape? it seems to be able to login automatically to fon and wippies Jun 12 12:46:15 timelyx, hmm? I installed it a month ago maybe Jun 12 12:46:26 midori seems much more promising to me though, IMHO Jun 12 12:46:39 Haven't touched it since the original release however long ago it was. Jun 12 12:47:09 i'm asking because it's probably a closer fit to our future, so if you got in early (now) Jun 12 12:47:19 you could try to shape how it works before it became popular here :) Jun 12 12:48:40 * timelyx is done reading maemo-meeting, for possibly not the first time Jun 12 12:49:43 We're getting close to that time for the next one. . . . Jun 12 12:49:52 so maybe Nokia will actually do an open source browser top-to-bottom this time? or will they bolt a non-free UI onto fennec again? Jun 12 12:51:23 * GAN800 pokes X-Fade about maemo-meeting. Jun 12 12:53:09 johnx: i wouldn't know Jun 12 12:53:23 but personally, if you make fennec better than microb, i'll use fennec Jun 12 12:53:32 my mac ships w/ safari, but i use camino Jun 12 12:53:35 because it's better Jun 12 12:54:13 Mr. Safari 1.x :P Jun 12 12:54:26 lol Jun 12 12:54:27 fennec? Jun 12 12:54:36 I will probably poke at getting the hildonizations working on a newer midori release if I have time Jun 12 12:54:43 * GAN800 slaps rm_you with a clue. Jun 12 12:54:50 i just use safari. keeping it simple ;) Jun 12 12:55:00 GAN800: I have been out of the loop for like 6 months remember? :P Jun 12 12:55:01 GAN800: hey, i can't run the latest version of camino either Jun 12 12:55:04 fair's fair :) Jun 12 12:55:05 i just got back Jun 12 12:55:17 Fennec seems to have a very long way to go before it's usable. Jun 12 12:55:59 and the memory usage seems pretty high Jun 12 12:56:33 I'd like to see Nokia get wise about tablet-browser-ui Jun 12 12:57:09 what repo are fennec and midori in? and what ARE they? :P Jun 12 12:57:11 someone fill me in Jun 12 12:57:17 lol Jun 12 12:57:27 fennec = mobile firefox browser, midori = webkit based browser Jun 12 12:57:29 search itt :P Jun 12 12:57:40 rm_you's google is broken. Jun 12 12:57:45 * rm_you cant run web browsers on my PC Jun 12 12:57:54 and my bluetooth keyboard is out of batteries Jun 12 12:57:55 <_< Jun 12 12:57:56 Pfft Jun 12 12:57:57 Hi Jun 12 12:58:11 rm_you, no web browser on your PC? eh? Jun 12 12:58:12 itt on tablet makes me cry Jun 12 12:58:20 johnx: PC is utterly @#*(ed Jun 12 12:58:24 You should just give up aleady and go live in the Alaskan wilderness. :P Jun 12 12:58:25 ouch Jun 12 12:58:38 i'm running IRC on it, but thats about all i can do Jun 12 12:58:39 I hear they get wimax up there in Alaska, actually Jun 12 12:58:46 rm_you, set the theme to 'classic' Jun 12 12:58:49 the drives are so fragmented that all of my browsers lock up on load Jun 12 12:58:51 fwiw, the file i was looking for is Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Acknowledgments.rtf Jun 12 12:58:58 and it takes about 60+ seconds to load a SMALL picture file Jun 12 12:59:24 i'm trying to burn / copy files off my hard drives to free up space and then do some defrag Jun 12 12:59:30 Hi, Khertan. :) Jun 12 12:59:39 rm_you, have 2 cd drives? Jun 12 13:00:05 johnx: no :( Jun 12 13:00:09 johnx: thought of that Jun 12 13:00:15 sadness :/ Jun 12 13:00:26 i have dual boot, but the linux side is more @*(&$ed than the windows side Jun 12 13:00:40 heh Jun 12 13:00:43 no X at the moment and takes about 20 minutes to boot cause it hangs on some broken driver for like 19 minutes Jun 12 13:00:53 prolly the nvidia driver :/ Jun 12 13:01:06 but there doesnt seem to be a working version at all of it, last time i checked Jun 12 13:01:28 hardy + 8800GT != happy, apparently Jun 12 13:02:20 fennec repo is offline? >_> according to gronmayer Jun 12 13:02:46 Woo, repo hell! Jun 12 13:03:27 eh, just multiple points of failure :) Jun 12 13:04:13 and midori isn't in any repos? <_< Jun 12 13:04:21 uhm, it's on itt Jun 12 13:04:28 I'll take pity and link you to the thread Jun 12 13:04:30 what could i be missing, if i don't have dh_make in CHINOOK_ARMEL, when I have it in CHINOOK_X86? Jun 12 13:05:11 I don't remember off the top of my head but you can check with dpkg -S dh_make on CHINOOK_X86 Jun 12 13:05:39 My N810 Come Back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jun 12 13:05:47 woo! Jun 12 13:05:51 did it wander off? Jun 12 13:05:55 lol . . . <_< https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Task:Defining_maemo&rcid=1473 How'd that idiot make it there from wikipedia. Jun 12 13:06:06 rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=162135 Jun 12 13:07:02 johnx, "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" Jun 12 13:07:10 hmm Jun 12 13:07:28 Hi GAN800 Jun 12 13:08:15 rm_you > Hardy + whatyouwant != happy Jun 12 13:08:21 * rm_you wants Midori because it shares a name with his favorite liquor :) Jun 12 13:08:24 GAN800, his tone (and grammar) aren't the best, but I would actually like to know the answer Jun 12 13:09:13 apt-get install pycrypto Jun 12 13:09:15 oups ww Jun 12 13:10:37 Morning. Jun 12 13:10:49 johnx, yeah, that's the entire pupose of the page. ;) Jun 12 13:11:07 He's managed to be redundant and stupid. Jun 12 13:14:21 GAN800, ah, I thought he started the page Jun 12 13:14:23 heh Jun 12 13:16:01 I didn't look at anything but the talk page Jun 12 13:16:04 He's the guy that recommended merging maemo and Internet Tablet OS right after we split them. <_< Jun 12 13:16:14 aaah Jun 12 13:17:21 rm_you: looks like it's chinook release and not chinook extras, now Jun 12 13:17:32 but I fell on a libidl0 dependency Jun 12 13:17:41 ? Jun 12 13:18:01 fennec repo is offline? >_> according to gronmayer Jun 12 13:18:38 hmm, "extras-devel" Jun 12 13:20:03 ah Jun 12 13:22:45 oh, great Jun 12 13:22:58 AH Jun 12 13:23:01 which of course in turn depends on cpp fro yarr (yet another rcking repository) Jun 12 13:23:10 i always heard people talking about numpty-physics Jun 12 13:23:19 i thought it was a numerical python physics library Jun 12 13:23:28 :D Jun 12 13:23:32 cause i missed the "t" i guess Jun 12 13:23:46 was never clear on why people thought it was so awesome Jun 12 13:24:12 mostly because it's fairly amazing :) Jun 12 13:24:26 managing random objects it hasn't met before in a reasonable way Jun 12 13:25:50 "Your search - random-object-manager - did not match any documents. " Jun 12 13:26:13 * sp3000 was expecting api docs to some java class full of evil Jun 12 13:26:36 lol Jun 12 13:27:20 oh well, I can take comfort in that random-object-factory wins Jun 12 13:30:39 have to say, fennec loads WAAAAAY slower Jun 12 13:30:43 but looks a lot nicer Jun 12 13:30:48 i think midori is faster tho Jun 12 13:31:58 is there some repo with kismet for N810 already? Jun 12 13:33:29 * sp3000 crashes fennec Jun 12 13:34:16 aquarius-: yes Jun 12 13:34:57 Anunakin: that's great... and which one is it? Jun 12 13:37:06 timelyx, what do you make of this? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/microb-security-warning.jpg Jun 12 13:37:10 Got that trying to submit a post. Jun 12 13:38:42 * sp3000 crashes fennec some more Jun 12 13:39:31 GeneralAntilles: is your / full? Jun 12 13:40:05 I had 70MB+ when I checked a few days ago. Jun 12 13:40:12 I like the untranslated ok button string without a button :) Jun 12 13:40:43 78MB available Jun 12 13:40:43 ... Jun 12 13:40:57 Unless something's filling it up that the Memory applet isn't counting. Jun 12 13:42:05 I'd look at df Jun 12 13:42:16 but it's probably not too far off I suppose Jun 12 13:42:28 Says 82488 available Jun 12 13:42:30 oops, I have 10M Jun 12 13:42:31 So, no, it's not full. Jun 12 13:42:34 * sp3000 should do something Jun 12 13:43:49 GeneralAntilles, sp3000: ping Jun 12 13:43:56 please read 140 and let me know how it reads Jun 12 13:44:02 i need to split it a bit into 139/140 Jun 12 13:45:56 140? Jun 12 13:48:38 yeah, it's a blog entry number Jun 12 13:48:46 ask sp3000 for a url, but don't share it Jun 12 13:48:47 it isn't finished Jun 12 13:55:29 Type on your parenthesis under section 2, heading 3, paragraph 2. Jun 12 13:56:12 s/Type/Typo/ Jun 12 13:56:13 GeneralAntilles meant: Typo on your parenthesis under section 2, heading 3, paragraph 2. Jun 12 13:56:16 (how ironic) Jun 12 13:58:52 bar[ier] -> bar[rier] Jun 12 14:00:34 thanks Jun 12 14:02:14 bugif -> bug if Jun 12 14:02:45 "guided" is a little awkward. Should probably be "the guided submission form" or something similar. Jun 12 14:03:22 . . Jun 12 14:03:35 btw, if you think some of this should move to 139, let me know Jun 12 14:03:50 in general, i try to have problems in odd articles and solutions in even articles Jun 12 14:04:03 Ah, crap, midgard's locked. dneary, how do I get the raw wiki code again? :\ Jun 12 14:04:16 source/page_name Jun 12 14:04:26 heh Jun 12 14:05:05 timelyx, I'm gonna move the codenames page over to the mediawiki. Jun 12 14:05:23 GeneralAntilles: fine by me, but someone needs to fix bugzilla Jun 12 14:05:34 if you have a url you want to use, please let me know before i do stuff Jun 12 14:05:39 I'll poke guenther about it. Jun 12 14:05:56 preferably pick the url early so this and bugzilla will have it right Jun 12 14:06:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Jun 12 14:06:12 It'll be there. Jun 12 14:08:36 timelyx, I think 139 and 140 make a good one-two punch :) Jun 12 14:09:09 ok, 140 points there. can you fix bugzilla when you move it? if not, i can... Jun 12 14:09:19 johnx: ok. Jun 12 14:09:21 I can't, somebody else needs to. Jun 12 14:09:23 * timelyx goes off to whack a === Jun 12 14:09:40 I'd prefer 139 to be a little more verbose Jun 12 14:09:46 but that's mostly a personal preference. Jun 12 14:09:48 err yeah Jun 12 14:09:52 i would prefer more balance too Jun 12 14:10:01 suggestions for what to move from 140 are greatly appreciated :) Jun 12 14:10:07 I'd save 140 until someone bitches/questions *after* reading 139 Jun 12 14:10:21 140 *will* cause a flamewar Jun 12 14:10:31 there is no doubt in my mind :) Jun 12 14:10:42 heh Jun 12 14:10:55 140 was originally a series of messages actually Jun 12 14:10:59 thankfully they moved off the list Jun 12 14:11:10 you'll note that my blog does not offer comments Jun 12 14:11:19 if people want to comment, they should get their own blog space :) Jun 12 14:11:20 Ha Jun 12 14:11:22 aside: I dearly wish Nokia had setup their own moderated forum for users... Jun 12 14:11:33 forum nokia was supposed to do that Jun 12 14:11:37 however it's not for users Jun 12 14:11:44 that's the key Jun 12 14:11:54 i'm not sure it'd help Jun 12 14:12:01 can you find 10 real "users"? Jun 12 14:12:08 think sodom and g'mora Jun 12 14:12:14 heh Jun 12 14:12:23 if you don't, i'll turn the place to ashes :) Jun 12 14:12:33 we have itt, where people complain about nokia stuff and get told "tell Nokia" and we have maemo-dev which is not really meant for users Jun 12 14:12:44 johnx: take a detour and read 142 :) Jun 12 14:13:36 that's actually part two in my series Jun 12 14:13:40 i can't remember where part 1 is Jun 12 14:13:47 138 Jun 12 14:13:58 142 isn't finished Jun 12 14:14:01 138 should be Jun 12 14:14:13 I'd quote this: use bugzilla "users"? Jun 12 14:14:37 * timelyx tries to find that Jun 12 14:14:55 gotcha Jun 12 14:14:58 Last heading before People, Roles, and Responsibilities. Jun 12 14:15:13 Right now it sounds like bugzilla-users? Jun 12 14:15:23 yeah... fixed Jun 12 14:15:30 although i might just rewrite it Jun 12 14:15:33 Who isn't a user? Jun 12 14:15:47 but that doesn't really work for the paragraph Jun 12 14:16:11 perhaps What are the people involved in ...? Jun 12 14:16:14 ~lart midgard wiki Jun 12 14:16:14 * infobot shoots midgard wiki in his sleep Jun 12 14:16:21 How appropriate Jun 12 14:16:22 Well I can tell you they aren't *users*. Jun 12 14:16:26 heh Jun 12 14:17:19 timelyx, you write some very creative stuff O_o Jun 12 14:18:34 thanks :) Jun 12 14:18:58 * timelyx wonders if johnx finished 142 or 138 Jun 12 14:19:05 both Jun 12 14:19:17 GeneralAntilles: !!! Jun 12 14:19:29 I didn't see where 142 was going until openssl was mentioned Jun 12 14:19:33 have you seen my explanations of crashing as experienced by Wile E Cyote? Jun 12 14:19:33 timelyx, GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3199 Jun 12 14:19:44 timelyx: is what he's saying right? Jun 12 14:19:51 i thought you said it WAS in a GtkMenu? Jun 12 14:20:25 no, i said it was acting like one Jun 12 14:20:30 GAH Jun 12 14:20:58 I almost hate to say I was right... Jun 12 14:21:02 what i got out of that conversation was verification that it was in fact in a heavily modified GtkMenu Jun 12 14:21:03 >_< Jun 12 14:21:15 sorry Jun 12 14:21:19 meh Jun 12 14:21:29 no very modified widget that acts like a menu :) Jun 12 14:21:40 * rm_you goes back to the drawing board Jun 12 14:21:56 the point's still the same.. someone should contribute it so that people don't have to reinvent it Jun 12 14:22:04 * andre___ takes a look at the two things timelyx poked him about Jun 12 14:22:07 if i can get it... Jun 12 14:22:35 johnx: gah, i spotted a typo in 142.4 Jun 12 14:22:46 timelyx, what's http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhmd4jxt_20t8hvv7 ? it's empty here Jun 12 14:23:01 andre___: hrm Jun 12 14:23:13 wait, is it not even a hildon_desktop_popup_window !? Jun 12 14:23:25 is it JUST a gtk_window? Jun 12 14:23:52 i think it's just a gobject or gtk object Jun 12 14:23:55 remember, i'm timelyx Jun 12 14:23:59 i can't see any of that :) Jun 12 14:24:18 <_< Jun 12 14:24:27 yeah so the stuff he posted is exactly what I already tried Jun 12 14:24:39 and it doesnt affect the look or behavior of the window *at all* Jun 12 14:25:01 yeah, um... Jun 12 14:25:08 there are at least 3 more functions Jun 12 14:25:12 <_< Jun 12 14:25:14 to handle key stuff Jun 12 14:25:19 and other things Jun 12 14:25:23 >_> Jun 12 14:25:41 GeneralAntilles: can you do what he said and post a bug requesting an example of how to do the statusbar applet with sliders? Jun 12 14:25:52 I need to go to sleep <_< Jun 12 14:26:00 Go, go. Jun 12 14:26:03 I'll see to whatever Jun 12 14:26:03 friend just went to work again, need to be awake when he comes back lol Jun 12 14:26:09 andre___: i need to change users Jun 12 14:26:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames I'll make this not suck and be ugly and unreadable in a bit. Jun 12 14:26:22 GeneralAntilles: "In this case I guess you should make a bug about having example code for Jun 12 14:26:22 creating a Hildon (statusbar) menu with sliders." Jun 12 14:26:24 >_> Jun 12 14:26:30 he's right tho :/ Jun 12 14:26:30 'night rm_you . Sorry it didn't work out for you :( Jun 12 14:26:34 anyway, time to sleep Jun 12 14:26:38 night johnx Jun 12 14:26:39 (using more than one account is such a terrible idea) Jun 12 14:27:02 (i have calendars with different access by user, mails that aren't properly synced, and docs w/ different access) Jun 12 14:29:22 oh great, google docs hung my browser Jun 12 14:31:10 The first sentence of "Isn't this like internal company beta testing?" is really messed up. Jun 12 14:31:31 OK, not really messed up, but missing a word or two. Jun 12 14:33:21 there used to be a code word there Jun 12 14:33:29 it got nuked on advice of counsel :) Jun 12 14:33:57 * timelyx removes the word "which" Jun 12 14:34:02 is that sufficient to fix it? Jun 12 14:34:17 Yes. Jun 12 14:35:44 andre___: do you have a google (docs) account? Jun 12 14:36:06 google account: yes. docs? hmm... do i have to enable something? Jun 12 14:36:24 no Jun 12 14:36:30 what's your address Jun 12 14:36:42 timelyx: andre.klapper Jun 12 14:37:07 works now Jun 12 14:37:25 wow, that's cool :) Jun 12 14:37:38 it's a really old file Jun 12 14:37:45 * GeneralAntilles loves it when backspace sends back from a text box. Jun 12 14:37:56 * qwerty12 is used to it on the tablets Jun 12 14:38:02 timelyx, let me take a look later on :) Jun 12 14:38:05 thanks in adavnce Jun 12 14:39:25 it's just an old log... i can't remember why it's there Jun 12 14:39:33 it might be for me to file bugs against bmo Jun 12 14:39:42 or it might be for some other reason Jun 12 14:40:00 atm, i'm slightly more interested in finalizing 139/140 Jun 12 14:40:04 yawn Jun 12 14:40:19 * RST38h has just done English part-of-speech recognition Jun 12 14:40:40 Surprisingly good results for such a dumb pattern matching piece of code Jun 12 14:40:59 rst38h: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_ Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo Jun 12 14:41:55 GeneralAntilles, timelyx: codenames as linked from bugzilla should probably be a table with x.y in a column and the z.yyyy.ww-aa laid out in a visually scannable manner (as annoying as tables generally are) Jun 12 14:42:09 Well, fortunately, newspaper hacks do not report on buffalos too much =) Jun 12 14:42:27 sp3000, this close? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITOS#Release_Table Jun 12 14:42:41 * timelyx rotfl Jun 12 14:42:43 or I would be in trouble Jun 12 14:42:45 nolo - NOkia BOotloader am I the only one confused by this? Jun 12 14:42:47 or we could link to wikipedia Jun 12 14:43:03 summatusmentis: NOkia bootLOader :)) Jun 12 14:43:19 your codenames wiki says otherwise :-P Jun 12 14:43:20 rofl, I think I did that, summatusmentis. :D Jun 12 14:43:21 NOOOLO - nOkia bOOtlOader! Jun 12 14:43:38 fixed Jun 12 14:43:39 Or even OBOOLO Jun 12 14:44:13 summatusmentis, I've got a giant edit pending. :P Jun 12 14:44:14 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ Jun 12 14:44:33 is the way i did it w/o tables because my syntax doesn't support tables :) Jun 12 14:44:34 timelyx, that link i already know :) Jun 12 14:45:08 GeneralAntilles: ok, fair enough. I just fixed the bootloader thing, because it was bugging me :) Jun 12 14:45:37 GeneralAntilles: yeah, although the notes column pushes it to the "tables suck" territory Jun 12 14:45:44 Do we want to maintain a separate Codenames_bugzilla for visual cleanliness? Jun 12 14:46:01 sp3000, deleting the date column should help. Jun 12 14:46:23 the date column's fairly useful Jun 12 14:46:30 Or not. :D Jun 12 14:46:51 although if you made the release column have titles that read as dates Jun 12 14:46:54 that'd be fine Jun 12 14:47:00 * sp3000 thinks the wikipedia custom of linking dates is useless and silly Jun 12 14:47:07 (entirely unrelated) Jun 12 14:47:09 * timelyx agrees Jun 12 14:47:15 wait Jun 12 14:47:17 sp3000, yeah, but it's tradition. ;) Jun 12 14:47:24 when did they start linking to year-month pairs? Jun 12 14:47:31 i remember them as always linking to them individual Jun 12 14:47:38 ly - just to annoy me Jun 12 14:47:51 timelyx, it depends on the editor, I guess. Jun 12 14:48:00 I linked those to pairs. Jun 12 14:48:18 pairs is a lot more useful Jun 12 14:48:22 i didn't know they existed though Jun 12 14:48:41 of course, it's the difference between absolutely useless and almost entirely useless :) Jun 12 14:49:33 GeneralAntilles: note that Q2 is a bad link :) Jun 12 14:49:42 rE Jun 12 14:50:14 Do you have hear about the new apple service mobileme ? Jun 12 14:50:28 timelyx, laziness. Jun 12 14:50:37 Feel free to poke at it and make it less sucky. :P Jun 12 14:50:38 It should be a great idea to make something similar for Maemo Tablette Jun 12 14:50:55 s/Tablette/Tablet Jun 12 14:51:09 ? Jun 12 14:51:46 Khertan: have you heard of any google services? Jun 12 14:52:31 GeneralAntilles: sorry, anything else for 140? Jun 12 14:52:40 or a suggestion about how to rebalance 139/140 Jun 12 14:52:56 timelyx: there doesn't appear to be a better Q2 than that, oddly enough Jun 12 14:53:18 sp3000: q2 doesn't last very long Jun 12 14:53:25 might as well link to june :) Jun 12 14:53:54 I've got nothing for 139/140, didn't notice any more typos. Jun 12 14:53:58 unless nokia calendars are special Jun 12 14:54:09 thanks for the read Jun 12 14:55:15 RST38h > yes ... but agenda don't sync task not contact Jun 12 14:55:51 and i know it ... as i'm dev mCalendar ... which sync with a google calendar :) Jun 12 14:56:23 So, what is different with Apple's implementation? Jun 12 14:57:03 apple -> mail/agenda/contact/bookmark/ and some other little things Jun 12 14:57:10 google -> mail/agenda Jun 12 14:57:45 the two need tasks :) Jun 12 14:58:24 at this time i use google agenda (with mCalendar) and rememberthemilk (with mTasks) Jun 12 14:58:41 but a unified interface with all this thing could be great Jun 12 14:59:20 OK, slightly less suck. http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Jun 12 14:59:20 Need to grab the wikitable class for Common.css. . . . Jun 12 14:59:43 maybe i'm the only one interested by this ... Jun 12 15:00:01 Khertan: Google also offers contacts and bookmarks Jun 12 15:01:08 RST38h ? Jun 12 15:01:11 hu ? Jun 12 15:01:40 where to ? Jun 12 15:01:53 GeneralAntilles: got a anchored link for bugzilla? Jun 12 15:02:10 hola Jun 12 15:02:11 also, there's a minor problem Jun 12 15:02:23 because you have no grid Jun 12 15:02:35 Khertan: you have your n810 back? Jun 12 15:02:35 Howdy, Jaffa. Jun 12 15:02:39 haha! got sapwood running on my zaurus finally! on to phase 2! Jun 12 15:02:50 i can't tell if "Beta release" is talking about 2.2005.45-1.. 4.2007.26-8 Jun 12 15:02:51 summatusmentis > yes ... since 12h Jun 12 15:03:02 oh wow, congrats :) Jun 12 15:03:04 timelyx, about to grab the wikitable class from wikipedia. Jun 12 15:03:07 hey Jaffa, got time to read 139/ and 140/ Jun 12 15:03:07 thx Jun 12 15:03:41 GeneralAntilles: also, i have no idea what those colors mean :) Jun 12 15:03:58 * Khertan after some search has just discover that gmail have a contact list ... and so that an mContact application that sync with gmail should be a great idea ... Jun 12 15:04:00 timelyx: probably not, TBH on a very time-limited wifi connection at the campsite's bar Jun 12 15:04:15 thx RST38h Jun 12 15:04:35 sinon y a rien pour les taches ? Jun 12 15:05:00 Jaffa: no graphics, i'll take feadback via mailto:timeless@gmail :) Jun 12 15:05:31 Khertan: heh, i guess contacts in gmail aren't really that discoverable Jun 12 15:05:34 but they just work.. Jun 12 15:06:11 * GeneralAntilles is wondering whether he should just rob wikipedia's Common.css outright. Jun 12 15:06:16 GeneralAntilles: how about putting OSyyyy into a colspan="5" and killing its column Jun 12 15:06:30 timelyx > yes and with a good little maemo app that sync with it ... it could be a great things Jun 12 15:06:36 GeneralAntilles: the n800 codename doesn't appear to be in the thing you referenced Jun 12 15:06:51 (I guess that has its drawbacks too, but, meh) Jun 12 15:06:56 what's the decision on that council thingy? Jun 12 15:07:00 yes or no? Jun 12 15:07:09 ah... and a sync with picassa ... Jun 12 15:07:15 could be a good idea too Jun 12 15:07:39 n800m, chill, man, it's not an instantaneous thing. ;) Jun 12 15:07:43 one question ... do u prefer one and same application for todo/calendar/tasks ... or three independant apps ? Jun 12 15:07:47 The plan will be worked out over the next 30 days. Jun 12 15:07:57 i'm chill and curious infact Jun 12 15:08:05 drinking a red bull to counter chill Jun 12 15:08:07 Khertan: found them? Jun 12 15:08:25 n800m, the brainstorm was basically to set down a plan Jun 12 15:08:26 (since it clashes a bit with the column heads) Jun 12 15:08:29 so we're setting down a plan. Jun 12 15:08:40 See: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Jun 12 15:08:44 RST38h > yes, thx Jun 12 15:08:58 just need to found how to sync it now :) Jun 12 15:09:05 timelyx: ah. interesting Jun 12 15:09:07 hum ... before ... finishing mCalendar :) Jun 12 15:09:40 GeneralAntilles: glad to hear things are progressing. Home in 8 days and willing to get stuck in :) Jun 12 15:09:50 Good Jun 12 15:09:57 * GeneralAntilles is swamped. :P Jun 12 15:10:20 you just lost my vote, sir! Jun 12 15:10:29 :P Jun 12 15:10:44 Who is editing from 127.0.0.1? Jun 12 15:11:22 ahahaha Jun 12 15:11:23 lol Jun 12 15:11:23 ummm All.The.Boys.Love.Mandy.Lane.Xvid.DVDRip.MFC is it good? Jun 12 15:11:30 GeneralAntilles: so um... Jun 12 15:11:33 timelyx, Uh... what exactly was my question Jun 12 15:11:48 Navi: i need to figure out context :) Jun 12 15:12:01 GeneralAntilles: could you possibly change the q2 to match my suggestion? Jun 12 15:12:07 i think it's more likely to be accurate than q2 Jun 12 15:12:14 Sorry, may have missed it. Jun 12 15:12:15 June? Jun 12 15:12:23 no, the one from 140 :) Jun 12 15:12:31 GeneralAntilles: plan so far is looking good. I note with interest the election of the chairman. Makes sense as one of the electees may not want it the extra admin it'd entail Jun 12 15:12:37 after the wimax device ships :) Jun 12 15:13:24 OK, added that to the text Jun 12 15:13:26 I'm just confused. I haven't asked you a question in a while Jun 12 15:13:29 adding it to the table Jun 12 15:14:39 Navi: oh, that was re #maemo-meeting and you weren't asking, you were telling someone something i think Jun 12 15:14:52 Damn, that was a while ago Jun 12 15:15:04 Oh yeah Jun 12 15:15:05 or if there was a question it was something like why haven't there been more public-ish browser releases Jun 12 15:15:19 well, my mac hasn't rebooted since then :) Jun 12 15:15:31 I think it was along the lines if browser updates were going to be provided via SSU Jun 12 15:15:41 and snak hasn't crashed (unlike safari which crashes daily and camino/firefox which hang occasionally) Jun 12 15:15:47 and I responded that it was up to the devs and management Jun 12 15:15:48 ew snak Jun 12 15:15:51 yeah something like that :) Jun 12 15:16:04 GeneralAntilles: it works, i paid for it, i like kinch Jun 12 15:16:31 Heh Jun 12 15:16:33 actually, dshadow used to be my neighbor, and i'm friends w/ a number of other mac irc client authors... Jun 12 15:16:42 I still can't imagine playing for a browser Jun 12 15:16:52 paying? Jun 12 15:16:55 er Jun 12 15:16:57 yea :P Jun 12 15:17:10 i can't remember if i ever bought icab Jun 12 15:17:16 i think i regretted not buying omniweb Jun 12 15:17:24 i'm fairly certain i bought netscape at least once Jun 12 15:17:25 >_> Jun 12 15:17:55 as for opera, how many phones do you have? Jun 12 15:18:03 I don't use opera on them Jun 12 15:18:06 because you've almost certainly paid for it :) Jun 12 15:18:16 s60v3 phones Jun 12 15:18:21 and if you own a 770 or n800 you've probably paid for it too Jun 12 15:18:39 Diablo came on it, and it was second hand Jun 12 15:18:40 Not if you've bought it used, though. Jun 12 15:18:59 * timelyx ponders Jun 12 15:19:11 I think Navi escaped the noose on this one. Jun 12 15:19:14 no... i can't remember what it's called, but you paid Jun 12 15:19:22 :P Jun 12 15:19:51 Even if you have already, we're going to make you pay now! Jun 12 15:19:55 * GeneralAntilles gets out the board-with-nail. Jun 12 15:19:55 buying used is just paying for opera at a depreciated price Jun 12 15:20:00 Ooh Jun 12 15:20:08 bwn Jun 12 15:20:22 Right, 30 mins nearly up. Cya no later than 8*24 hours :) Jun 12 15:20:28 Bai Jun 12 15:20:36 later, Jaffa. Jun 12 15:21:13 * qwerty12 wants to try out the OS2007 Opera by on OS2008 (done by Bundyo), I know it's old but I'm having so much probs with browserd, I must Jun 12 15:21:42 Anybody looking to edit the release history table should do so here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Release_history_table Jun 12 15:22:27 timelyx, well, I bought the N800 used months after OS2008 was released Jun 12 15:22:32 qwerty12: what problems? Jun 12 15:22:41 the crash rate. Jun 12 15:22:51 I haven't run into anything Jun 12 15:23:14 (generally running into things hurts) Jun 12 15:23:27 Load up a heavy site. I'm running nitro btw, I don't know if the standard something crashed dialog says the process name. Jun 12 15:23:50 timelyx, If you count buying my N800 used as indirectly paying for Opera, than my donations to MozFound are too Jun 12 15:23:54 later Jun 12 15:24:11 wait, browserd, is that diablo? Jun 12 15:24:16 Navi: if you've sent money to MoFo, then yes Jun 12 15:24:16 Yes Jun 12 15:24:20 summatusmentis, It's in diablo yes Jun 12 15:24:25 timelyx, :P Jun 12 15:24:29 oh, that's why I haven't run into it Jun 12 15:24:46 sp3000: can you find their crashes? :) Jun 12 15:25:07 guenther, ping. Jun 12 15:25:28 GeneralAntilles: if i want to link to it, how should i link to it? Jun 12 15:25:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Jun 12 15:25:50 anyway, yes, that fixed my concern Jun 12 15:26:16 GeneralAntilles: much prettier now :) Jun 12 15:27:39 timelyx: bugzilla probably wants http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames#Release_Table Jun 12 15:29:05 GeneralAntilles: pong Jun 12 15:29:26 Is it possible to get a "bug last updated by" column for bugzilla? Jun 12 15:29:36 timelyx: I probably can't find them :) Jun 12 15:31:10 where? Jun 12 15:31:22 in the search result list? Jun 12 15:31:25 For bug lists. Jun 12 15:31:26 Right Jun 12 15:32:04 talking bout the user who updated it, right? Jun 12 15:32:30 Yeah, it should show the last person to do something to the bug. Change a field, comment, whatever. Jun 12 15:32:50 hmm, interesting idea Jun 12 15:33:08 guess i should think about that Jun 12 15:33:24 GeneralAntilles: convince me, why do you want it? :) Jun 12 15:34:07 GeneralAntilles: all we have is 'changed' Jun 12 15:34:12 which tells you when it was changed Jun 12 15:34:19 but there are lots of classes of change Jun 12 15:34:22 which do you want: Jun 12 15:34:24 comment Jun 12 15:34:25 Hi everyone! Jun 12 15:34:26 flag Jun 12 15:34:30 status Jun 12 15:34:34 dependency Jun 12 15:34:37 cc Jun 12 15:34:38 voted Jun 12 15:34:41 guenther, I want to read bugzilla like a forum. ;) Jun 12 15:34:53 GeneralAntilles: bugzilla is available via rss Jun 12 15:34:56 you can subscribe :) Jun 12 15:34:57 timelyx: something should probably write a history log or something of submitted things Jun 12 15:35:08 and doesn't want to manage it through Mail. Jun 12 15:35:10 Hello cyberholic, haven't seen you for a long while :) Jun 12 15:35:14 GeneralAntilles: gah Jun 12 15:35:32 sp3000: "submitted"? Jun 12 15:35:33 Mail sucks a lot less in Leopard. Jun 12 15:35:44 mail in 10.3.9 is useless :) Jun 12 15:35:45 hi qwerty: yeah, i am developing the website for a poker-project that goes online next week. had a lot to do for that and no time for mojocafe.net :( Jun 12 15:36:13 ah, hope the poker-project goes well :) Jun 12 15:36:20 does anyone of you can tell me how video-chat works from n800 to desktop pc? I checked the internet tablet talk site, but i realy do not get it. video-chat does not start :( Jun 12 15:36:22 and as far the type of change, any change at all. Jun 12 15:36:29 GeneralAntilles: anyway, figure out which of those things you want and make a concerted argument Jun 12 15:36:29 qwerty: you like poker? Jun 12 15:36:37 cyberholic, not for me :) Jun 12 15:36:39 GeneralAntilles: however, i'm pretty sure you'll find that a number of them are useless Jun 12 15:36:48 i.e. the person at the bottom of the activity history list. Jun 12 15:36:48 you don't really want to know when someone votes for a bug Jun 12 15:36:59 and you probably don't care if a person cc's themself to a bug Jun 12 15:37:05 GeneralAntilles: Ugh -- I so wish you would not have mentioned the F word. Jun 12 15:37:14 GeneralAntilles: activity doesn't include commenting :) Jun 12 15:37:23 anyone of you ever used google talk for video chat? Jun 12 15:37:24 Does it not? Jun 12 15:37:25 Damn. Jun 12 15:37:48 cyberholic, afair, google talk is tablet to tablet Jun 12 15:37:51 makes life so much more interesting, doesn't it? :) Jun 12 15:37:54 OK, whatever. This is more of a can of worms than I was really interested in opening. Jun 12 15:37:55 I think aMSN is tablet to pc Jun 12 15:38:02 * GeneralAntilles moves on. Jun 12 15:38:11 GeneralAntilles: that's the hazard... i've already been through these cans a dozen times :) Jun 12 15:38:15 qwerty: oh, aMSN ? never heard about that. Jun 12 15:38:30 http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 Jun 12 15:38:31 GeneralAntilles: btw, why is the m in orange? Jun 12 15:38:41 GeneralAntilles: I added it to my list of things to ponder and think about. Jun 12 15:38:43 Which m? Jun 12 15:38:47 in wiki.maemo.org Jun 12 15:39:00 That's a dneary question. Jun 12 15:39:01 ok. linux. the point is that i want to use it from n800 --> win xp Jun 12 15:39:06 * GeneralAntilles didn't make that image. Jun 12 15:39:26 Just hold your breath a few more days for some (usability) changes to bugzilla. :) Jun 12 15:39:26 timelyx: Which orange? Jun 12 15:39:34 There's no m in orange Jun 12 15:39:35 Woo, orange Jun 12 15:39:49 Unless you spell it oramge Jun 12 15:39:51 it's above the red wiki :) Jun 12 15:39:56 or orangem Jun 12 15:40:16 or mandarin orange Jun 12 15:40:34 the point is that i got gizmo5 on XP but the video will not start :( Jun 12 15:40:39 maybe it's gradiantorange? Jun 12 15:40:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/skins/common/images/maemo-logo-1.png http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/maemo-logo.gif Jun 12 15:40:53 ...you mean? Jun 12 15:40:59 Hehe Jun 12 15:41:05 consistent, isn't it? Jun 12 15:41:15 dneary: of course, i'm sure the art all needs a rewrite in july :) Jun 12 15:41:22 could just randomize it on load Jun 12 15:41:33 sp3000, I like green. Jun 12 15:41:34 geckoisgecko.org? Jun 12 15:41:44 :o Jun 12 15:41:48 timelyx: Link? Jun 12 15:42:04 Ah Jun 12 15:42:15 The m is orange because that's its brand Jun 12 15:42:44 But? http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos/ Jun 12 15:43:28 dneary: you should talk to quim Jun 12 15:46:53 timelyx: Sorry - can we start from the beginning? Jun 12 15:52:21 nope :) Jun 12 15:52:30 the beginning is that your logo is wrong per GeneralAntilles Jun 12 15:52:34 the end is quim Jun 12 15:52:59 oh, the middle is probably the image urls from sp3000 Jun 12 16:12:31 does your nano/pico crash to segfault when replacing text? Jun 12 16:12:35 mine does :) Jun 12 16:12:39 everytime Jun 12 16:13:19 When I tried it, it would segfault doing anything. That's why I removed it and learnt a very tiny bit of vi. And then went and apt-get install leafpad. Jun 12 16:14:04 oki. so its basically a piece of crap? :) Jun 12 16:14:18 Well, on the tablets it is :/ Jun 12 16:14:32 the app itself is ok, the port is apparently undesirable :) Jun 12 16:14:57 (like irssi on the tablets :/) Jun 12 16:15:06 (that can segfault like crazy sometimes too) Jun 12 16:15:39 the app itself is the best :) Jun 12 16:16:38 "Lead shot is dangerous for ducks, especially if it hits them". And what they suggest is better?? Jun 12 16:16:56 http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/greener-duck-hu.html Jun 12 16:17:56 hehe Jun 12 16:26:42 timelyx: Indeed - I thought that was the point. Jun 12 16:27:13 Ah! Jun 12 16:27:18 I see for the maemo logo now Jun 12 16:27:25 Indeed, 'tis weird Jun 12 16:27:45 dneary: but really, you should talk to quim before doing much work on it Jun 12 16:28:29 :o Jun 12 16:28:43 timelyx: Quim who? Jun 12 16:28:51 qgil Jun 12 16:28:51 lol Jun 12 16:29:10 (I'm joking! I'm joking!) Jun 12 16:29:35 :D Jun 12 16:29:36 i don't have a sense of humor. Jun 12 16:29:59 :( Jun 12 16:38:39 3bye Jun 12 16:39:54 hello - I have an N800 out of the box.. and I just downloaded an RX- .bin file onto my Ubuntu box.. the lastest OS I thnik Jun 12 16:40:07 but.. what do I do with the .bin? thanks Jun 12 16:40:47 darkblue_B, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ Jun 12 16:40:48 I tried chmod 755 and to run it from a shell, but that did not work Jun 12 16:40:55 use flasher-3.0 to actually flash it onto a device Jun 12 16:40:56 looking Jun 12 16:42:38 darkblue_B: Or better, http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS Jun 12 16:43:55 ah Jun 12 16:44:18 the flasher 3.0 for 64bit AMD Linux came down with a comma at the end of the name Jun 12 16:44:34 I just chmod 755 on it and it runs as a tool Jun 12 16:44:40 looking at the options Jun 12 16:44:46 don't worry, the extra comma is free Jun 12 16:44:59 the options you need are at both links :) Jun 12 16:50:15 johnx, GeneralAntilles: i think i'm about done Jun 12 16:50:37 with what precisely? Jun 12 16:53:57 johnx: thx.. that seems to have worked Jun 12 16:53:58 140 Jun 12 16:54:12 timelyx, ah, ok Jun 12 16:54:16 darkblue_B, good to hear :) Jun 12 16:54:54 its sitting there with a NOKIA screen Jun 12 16:54:57 sshfs? Jun 12 16:55:17 yes Jun 12 16:55:26 I just want the Maemo Mapper app to be installed Jun 12 16:55:33 with a new OS Jun 12 16:56:04 sshfs -h looks detailed.. Jun 12 16:56:48 most of it is unnecessary except in some cases Jun 12 16:57:07 usually: sshfs user@host:/path/to/files /my/local/mountpoint Jun 12 16:57:14 so, given my modest goals, how best to proceed? Jun 12 16:57:24 am I a user on the N800? Jun 12 16:57:31 yes Jun 12 16:57:50 go to downloads.maemo.org and click the "install it now" link for maemo mapper Jun 12 16:57:59 ok, thx.. trying Jun 12 16:58:03 I assume the new OS installed and booted? Jun 12 16:58:52 well, as I say.. its at the blank NOKIA screen and holding Jun 12 16:59:02 immediately following the flash Jun 12 16:59:12 but it seemed to flash everything? Jun 12 16:59:18 which appears via the terminal, to have succeeed Jun 12 16:59:31 did you remember the -R option? Jun 12 16:59:35 for "reboot" Jun 12 16:59:35 yes Jun 12 16:59:45 ohhh Jun 12 16:59:47 hmm Jun 12 17:00:32 darkblue_B: if it goes on for too long, try taking out the power, then battery. Put it back together, plug in the power and hold down the on button until the Nokia screen comes up. Jun 12 17:00:48 http://dpaste.com/56250/ Jun 12 17:00:52 (also if it gets into a reboot loop) Jun 12 17:00:56 check me.. looks like -R to me Jun 12 17:01:53 try pulling the usb cable Jun 12 17:01:57 ok Jun 12 17:02:18 blue line progress Jun 12 17:02:23 woo! Jun 12 17:02:29 aha Jun 12 17:02:30 thx Jun 12 17:02:33 :D Jun 12 17:02:53 I didn't want to tell you that earlier in case it hadn't really finished flashing Jun 12 17:04:00 ok, clearly booted in the new setup Jun 12 17:04:09 back to the USB cable for the mapper I assume Jun 12 17:04:14 hmm? Jun 12 17:04:19 you have wifi, right? Jun 12 17:04:25 yes Jun 12 17:04:29 ohhh Jun 12 17:04:33 you download on the device :) Jun 12 17:04:34 go to the page - of course Jun 12 17:04:40 it's a real linux machine Jun 12 17:04:41 sorry - new Jun 12 17:04:45 no problem Jun 12 17:06:01 you said I am a user on ths N800? Jun 12 17:06:07 yup Jun 12 17:06:08 user name? Jun 12 17:06:12 user Jun 12 17:06:16 :-) Jun 12 17:06:27 yeah, creativity abounds :) Jun 12 17:07:29 better than 'guest' i guess Jun 12 17:07:30 :) Jun 12 17:08:26 does anybody uses scratchbox 2 ? Jun 12 17:08:33 I have little pb with it... Jun 12 17:08:45 and I would be interested with some advices :) Jun 12 17:22:50 when t says I cant install because Appliction packages are missing: rx-34-kernal-modules-extra portmap Jun 12 17:22:57 what is the general idea here Jun 12 17:23:25 for better or worse, there isn't really a central repository Jun 12 17:23:32 well there is Jun 12 17:23:36 but not everyone uses it Jun 12 17:23:47 so there's an index: look at gronmayer.com/it Jun 12 17:23:48 I dont know your package manager, or repostories.. I just klunk around once in a while on Ubuntu.. so I am not that expert at ths Jun 12 17:23:52 search for the package you're missing Jun 12 17:24:06 oh - ok.. Jun 12 17:24:23 which app are you trying to install, by the way? Jun 12 17:24:52 it was just the first thing that came up .. just to try it Jun 12 17:25:04 FileMounter Wizard or something.. listed in Apps Jun 12 17:25:12 I would like a way to move files back and forth Jun 12 17:25:21 so it sounded like something to try Jun 12 17:25:27 you use gnome on ubuntu? Jun 12 17:25:33 yes, Jun 12 17:25:38 a Mac mostly Jun 12 17:25:44 linux VNC Jun 12 17:25:45 either way is good :) Jun 12 17:26:11 I would install openssh on your tablet and then browse to its IP address on your mac or gnome desktop Jun 12 17:26:27 scp or something you mean? Jun 12 17:26:35 right, exactly Jun 12 17:26:45 ok Jun 12 17:26:52 sftp/scp over wireless isn't fast but it's nice and simple Jun 12 17:27:09 or just plug it in via usb for big file transfers and write directly to the sd cards Jun 12 17:27:10 first *hour* as a user here.. so dont mind the questions ;-) Jun 12 17:27:32 right.. boot with the home key down to become a USB device? Jun 12 17:27:42 that's only for flashing Jun 12 17:27:47 when it's on just plug it in :) Jun 12 17:27:47 oh - ok Jun 12 17:28:28 it should just automatically mount in gnome or mac Jun 12 17:29:10 ok Jun 12 17:29:23 package manager is apt-get from the terminal? Jun 12 17:29:37 or there is a graphical app manager Jun 12 17:29:46 in settings -> application manager Jun 12 17:29:47 ? Jun 12 17:29:54 looking Jun 12 17:30:10 it's just a front end to apt Jun 12 17:30:36 thats a good thing Jun 12 17:30:51 agreed :) Jun 12 17:32:01 set new root password? Jun 12 17:32:08 yup Jun 12 17:32:09 for user? Jun 12 17:32:15 for root Jun 12 17:32:20 ok, root and user Jun 12 17:32:29 I am settng the root password now Jun 12 17:32:37 right Jun 12 17:32:47 you can set the user password later if you want Jun 12 17:32:53 thx Jun 12 17:35:52 * timelyx tries to remember how to validate an rss feed Jun 12 17:35:59 its XML Jun 12 17:36:04 so thats a start Jun 12 17:36:12 xmllint Jun 12 17:36:27 there are a few flavors of RSS Jun 12 17:36:34 so they are diffferent Jun 12 17:40:34 ssh user@192.168.1.104 Jun 12 17:40:39 password? Jun 12 17:40:56 you didn't set one yet :) Jun 12 17:41:01 ok Jun 12 17:41:02 ssh root@192... first Jun 12 17:41:12 ah Jun 12 17:41:15 login, type: passwd user Jun 12 17:42:09 got it.. thx Jun 12 17:42:38 so now I can get ssh attacks anywhere I go :-/ Jun 12 17:42:58 well, I have a strong password Jun 12 17:43:23 I suppose it wont join wireless networks unless I ask it to Jun 12 17:43:38 this terminal window.. no UP arrow.. darn Jun 12 17:43:44 would save some typing Jun 12 17:43:52 use dpad Jun 12 17:43:59 dpad? Jun 12 17:44:04 on the top left Jun 12 17:44:20 this is osso_xterm I think Jun 12 17:44:34 well, if you have n810 it's on the bottom left Jun 12 17:44:49 n800 Jun 12 17:44:54 then top left Jun 12 17:46:12 top left is the earth.. with a list of popular bookmarks Jun 12 17:46:18 I dont see dpad yet Jun 12 17:47:51 Is it just me or does the SDK (Chinook) not have apt-build? (Maybe I'm missing something?) Jun 12 17:47:59 it's you Jun 12 17:48:09 that's nice to know :) Jun 12 17:48:13 sorry, just joking :) Jun 12 17:48:23 i have never needed to use apt-build :) Jun 12 17:48:23 darkblue_B, the physical direction pad Jun 12 17:49:01 fakeroot dpkg-buildpkg is what i always used Jun 12 17:49:03 :) Jun 12 17:49:29 i thought i looked for buildpkg but maybe i just missed it Jun 12 17:49:48 may be dpkg-packagebuild Jun 12 17:49:53 or some other variation Jun 12 17:49:54 :) Jun 12 17:49:58 dpkg-buildpackage IIRC Jun 12 17:50:02 :> Jun 12 17:50:03 yeah Jun 12 17:50:06 i wasn't sure Jun 12 17:50:10 in my mind it goes dpkg-bui Jun 12 17:50:19 better dpkg-[tab] Jun 12 17:50:31 thanks Jun 12 17:50:36 KotCzarny, dpkg-deb dpkg-source, etc, etc Jun 12 17:51:13 is there any possibility of external video on the N800? Jun 12 17:51:17 actually, 20+ things start with dpkg- on my debian box Jun 12 17:51:20 :) Jun 12 17:51:44 darkblue_B, only over the network, such as with vnc or remote X Jun 12 17:51:52 vnc! Jun 12 17:52:01 tightvncserver Jun 12 17:52:10 heading there now Jun 12 17:54:44 oh wait Jun 12 17:55:02 so.. this is its own display device and processor Jun 12 17:55:14 so.. packages really are for this in many cases Jun 12 17:55:29 no sign of vnc in the default list of app in the app mgr Jun 12 17:55:42 so.. how do I go about hunting for a vnc? Jun 12 17:55:59 in general, your first stop should be downloads.maemo.org and your second stop gronmayer.com/it Jun 12 17:56:10 thx looking Jun 12 17:56:16 also google, "maemo vnc" Jun 12 17:56:26 maemo is the name of the development environment Jun 12 17:58:37 needs hildon-libs0, libdbus Jun 12 17:58:55 download.maemo.org for that kind of thing? Jun 12 18:00:03 that might be a sign that it's for the wrong version of the OS Jun 12 18:00:20 now that you've updated you need packages for "OS2008" or "chinook" Jun 12 18:00:33 aha Jun 12 18:04:53 repository/maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install Jun 12 18:04:56 no vnc found Jun 12 18:05:00 :-( Jun 12 18:05:06 use google? Jun 12 18:05:11 it looks like there's a package here: http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Jun 12 18:05:59 when it says "switch your package manager to red pill mode" instead, just use dpkg -i foo.deb from the x terminal Jun 12 18:06:03 google for chninook vnc ? Jun 12 18:06:14 ?!? Jun 12 18:06:19 havent gotten that far Jun 12 18:06:21 or os2008 vnc or maemo vnc Jun 12 18:06:40 you would have asked in a couple minutes, after you read that page :) Jun 12 18:06:48 red pill - weird.. lots of S Asian fonts gere, I note Jun 12 18:07:24 for 'maemo vnc' Jun 12 18:07:35 magic word is 'maemo' in google searches Jun 12 18:07:52 KotCzarny, even I had trouble finding one for OS2008 Jun 12 18:08:00 I figured I'd give him a hand Jun 12 18:08:02 i didn't Jun 12 18:08:09 i believe i found it on maemo.org Jun 12 18:08:19 KotCzarny: ? Jun 12 18:08:22 vnc Jun 12 18:08:29 where? Jun 12 18:08:39 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ Jun 12 18:08:50 KotCzarny, *server* Jun 12 18:08:58 'server Jun 12 18:09:11 and thats where I was a good 10 mintues ago when I sad it need libs Jun 12 18:09:18 didn't read so far in the backlog Jun 12 18:09:19 :) Jun 12 18:09:20 not for 2008 Jun 12 18:09:32 :-/ Jun 12 18:09:32 and around we go Jun 12 18:09:57 ok.. now to that link johnx Jun 12 18:10:01 though search for: maemo vnc server Jun 12 18:10:06 brought it as a 2nd hit Jun 12 18:10:07 :) Jun 12 18:10:16 so my point is still valid :) Jun 12 18:10:22 magic word 'maemo' Jun 12 18:11:01 maemo gives stuff that doesnt work on os2008 Jun 12 18:11:04 too Jun 12 18:11:09 rarely Jun 12 18:11:17 so I apprecate pointers, but, there is more to it, too Jun 12 18:11:27 * darkblue_B just had it happen Jun 12 18:12:55 http://packages.debian.org/sid/tightvncserver Jun 12 18:13:00 that one would work too Jun 12 18:13:01 i guess Jun 12 18:13:27 (select armel package) Jun 12 18:13:54 I would try packages specifically for the tablet *before* resorted to trying random stuff from debian... Jun 12 18:14:04 yes Jun 12 18:14:13 but he asked for any pointers Jun 12 18:14:15 :) Jun 12 18:14:43 johnx: getting to the red pill part Jun 12 18:14:47 and i hardly see anything in vncserver to be maemo specific Jun 12 18:15:16 maybe compiling with optimizations, but that's it Jun 12 18:15:29 KotCzarny, I'm going to file that under "famous last words." Jun 12 18:15:48 :) Jun 12 18:16:16 "A spokesman for China's foreign ministry says that China being the 'developing nation' that it is he doubts that his country has the sophistication to hack foreign systems." Jun 12 18:16:42 [i.e. he basically confirmed it, in the polite Chinese kinda way] Jun 12 18:17:18 :) Jun 12 18:19:30 he should also add that as a developing country they don't even speak foreign languages Jun 12 18:19:31 :> Jun 12 18:20:58 groan Jun 12 18:21:03 * darkblue_B down on China Jun 12 18:21:13 johnx: hey, this is great! Jun 12 18:21:16 VNC! Jun 12 18:21:19 thanks so much! Jun 12 18:21:29 ssh and VNC and maemo mapper! Jun 12 18:21:35 good to hear Jun 12 18:21:38 thx very much.. enough for now Jun 12 18:21:45 os2008 ? Jun 12 18:22:22 "Internet Tablet Operating System 2008 Edition" or something similar Jun 12 18:22:41 also known as chinook/diablo Jun 12 18:37:58 what a confusing name. Jun 12 19:29:36 "what a confusing name" says "n800" on a maemo channel :) Jun 12 19:31:45 diablo-users around? Jun 12 19:32:00 what's the question? Jun 12 19:32:23 the question is: are you a diablo-user? :) Jun 12 19:32:29 yes Jun 12 19:32:32 i'll msg you? Jun 12 19:32:38 fair enough Jun 12 19:37:46 <----- want to be a Diablo user...haven't dloaded it yet.. ..... Jun 12 19:38:09 it's really not worth it Jun 12 19:38:17 ..yet Jun 12 19:38:34 * KotCzarny is happy to snatch ftd though Jun 12 19:38:35 :) Jun 12 19:38:40 what are the "supposed" benefits of diablo ? any major stuff? (besides bug fixing).... Jun 12 19:38:52 wimax support Jun 12 19:38:54 ;) Jun 12 19:39:20 lolmax Jun 12 19:39:33 browser is worse, virtual keyboard is better, app manager is better Jun 12 19:40:06 browser is worse? Jun 12 19:40:16 johnx: does it crash at specific pages? Jun 12 19:40:33 the memory usage just gets out of control Jun 12 19:40:53 but I can't reproduce it Jun 12 19:40:58 Wimax support....that is only for the N810 Wimax edition...isn't it ? or is it for any/all N810 ? Jun 12 19:41:15 febb, just for the n810 wimax edition, correct Jun 12 19:41:30 ah!.... I was getting somewhat happy ! ;) Jun 12 19:41:41 I don't have Wimax here anyway.... ...... Jun 12 19:41:48 mos people dont Jun 12 19:41:57 yeah, you're in good company Jun 12 19:42:02 yeah. Jun 12 19:42:11 * KotCzarny is nyc area Jun 12 19:42:14 i dont even know if/when its coming to the UK Jun 12 19:42:24 but i won't be getting it if it's over 10$/month Jun 12 19:42:25 :) Jun 12 19:42:36 There are at least 3 WiMax providers here Jun 12 19:42:42 It will be deployed over here .there are tests already, but it is not realiable or with great coverage.... Jun 12 19:42:50 Mexico city is "here", btw. Jun 12 19:42:54 Dunno if they support mobile WiMax though Jun 12 19:43:35 yeah, there's already coverage around Seattle from clearwire, but I have no idea what standard they're currently on Jun 12 19:43:58 RST38h where's here for you? Jun 12 19:44:23 middle east :> Jun 12 19:44:50 Anybody has been able to use the video conference with gizmo on OS2008 ? Jun 12 19:44:58 Atarii: Moscow Jun 12 19:45:04 gizmoproject, that is. Jun 12 19:45:10 thanks for johnx for help, but my prob doesnt really solved. let me be more spesific, is there anyone who has gotten diablo to work by "guessing" the correct password-username combination? Jun 12 19:45:30 or let me ask other way: does anyone know what is the user agent of apt-get in n8x0? Jun 12 19:45:44 sniff it Jun 12 19:46:01 get high by sniffing n8x0 apt-get! Jun 12 19:46:14 snuff enuff Jun 12 19:46:16 zing! Jun 12 19:46:17 i dont have an idea how to sniff the UA of apt-get? Jun 12 19:46:35 ever used tcpdump ? Jun 12 19:46:58 macoute: just check an http log :) Jun 12 19:47:12 timelyx: im just trying it :) Jun 12 19:47:19 Which bring a question whether there is Ethereal/WireShark for N810? Jun 12 19:47:20 it seemed such an stupid idea at first Jun 12 19:47:25 "Debian APT-HTTP/ Jun 12 19:47:25 1.3" Jun 12 19:47:33 uh!..just remembered: I got to install a VNC server and client on my N810... any recommended package for this? (and what repo?) Jun 12 19:47:42 at least that's what my repository.maemo.org logs say :) Jun 12 19:47:52 the line feed is from my terminal :) Jun 12 19:48:19 timelyx: thats true Jun 12 19:48:19 i think it says rx34 or something too Jun 12 19:48:24 no it doesnt Jun 12 19:48:29 suursavo.org - - [12/Jun/2008:22:48:06 +0300] "GET /dists/foo/bar/binary-amd64/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1" 404 419 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" Jun 12 19:48:43 macoute: cheater. you don't have a real service Jun 12 19:49:00 ip-address-scrubbed - - [12/Jun/2008:12:25:32 -0700] "GET /extras-devel/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz HTTP/1.1" 304 283 Jun 12 19:49:00 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" Jun 12 19:49:02 timelyx: a real deb repo? :) Jun 12 19:49:06 yeah :) Jun 12 19:49:09 * timelyx runs one Jun 12 19:49:15 i should run one too Jun 12 19:49:24 or rather, ran one and it currently just gives out old info to break people :) Jun 12 19:49:36 :) Jun 12 19:49:39 a good repo is an outdated one :) Jun 12 19:49:45 a _best_ Jun 12 19:49:52 a good product is a dead product? :) Jun 12 19:49:53 the, to be exact Jun 12 19:50:00 yeah :) Jun 12 19:50:22 * timelyx goes back to trying to figure out how to cheat @rss Jun 12 19:51:21 damn, now i must admit that im stuck with my spywork and i do have the wrong pass/user-combination... Jun 12 19:55:04 if some1 wants to kick me in the right direction, id be more than happy Jun 12 19:55:26 i can be the one asking questions and you dont need to answer nothing but yes/no :) Jun 12 20:00:01 Anyone successfully setup maemo development under windows without an emulator? Jun 12 20:03:17 He is asking to kick him. In the right direction. Jun 12 20:03:55 Phosphoric: Not possible, neither of two SDKs comes in Windows version Jun 12 20:04:37 <||cw> PhosphoricX: like under cygwin or something? it's really not reasonable to do anyway since maemo is made for arm you pretty much need an emulator Jun 12 20:05:09 you dont need to have an emulator but a virtual machine :) Jun 12 20:07:28 PhosphoricX: You can, in theory, build your own toolchain in cygwin, however you won't be able to leverage scratchbox since it requires all sorts of clever hacks to launch qemu on the right binaries. There are vmware images, grab one of them and vmware player. Jun 12 20:08:13 depending what you're trying to do it's definitely possible to make an intel-hosted arm-targeted toolchain, but matching all the libs will probably make you go crazy. Jun 12 20:09:19 hi Jun 12 20:59:20 PhosphoricX, i develop in windows without an emulator. i write code using komodo edit and compile using gcc directly on my 810 :) for me it works a treat because i compile small modules, although a full rebuild of my project only takes about 50 seconds Jun 12 20:59:46 (when im not near a desktop i use pygtkeditor directly on the device and code on the go :) ) Jun 12 21:01:04 sounds like a fast way to develop :) Jun 12 21:01:39 it is actually, it can rebuild and run the one ot two modified files faster than the old way using vmware and copying binary and executing Jun 12 21:02:25 winscp will automatically recopy the file after i save in komodo and the putty terminal is always open :) i have it cushy Jun 12 21:03:10 and because i know everything i am doing is direct on the device i know its going to work Jun 12 21:06:39 lcuk: want to hear the best way? Jun 12 21:06:54 go for it Jun 12 21:07:02 just install debian, no need for putty, winscp, emulators... :) Jun 12 21:07:24 but actually, your needs kinda scream for linux Jun 12 21:07:46 if you use putty, winscp and develop for maemo (i bet you do more, but as a second os maybe?) Jun 12 21:07:47 hehehehe Jun 12 21:08:08 no they dont, but my processes work equally well whatever OS i am using :) i personally have a stable windows system. why should i stress and rock the boat by changing? Jun 12 21:08:31 thanks mate, that was a really useful suggestion Jun 12 21:08:43 because you need a program that needs a linux-system? :) Jun 12 21:09:21 nahhh i have a knack for finding a smooth way to do nice unexpected things Jun 12 21:09:48 and anyway, eventual goal is to develop fulltime in maemo :) Jun 12 21:10:01 in my opinion the unexpected things that happen in windows are not very nice usually :) Jun 12 21:10:22 xp is quite stable Jun 12 21:10:29 yeah it is Jun 12 21:10:32 if you don't install everything you can find Jun 12 21:10:38 oh, speaking of pygtkeditor, Khertan, did you fix the libmxl2juuiiii dependency issue? Jun 12 21:10:41 well ive only ever seen my windows install cd once, i dont have trouble with viruses or slow programs or drivers or BSODs or anything Jun 12 21:10:47 but i wasnt talkingh about stability but usability in this particular case Jun 12 21:11:12 windows takes a pro to use though.. to know not to install crap and to know which "internet protection" shit is just shit Jun 12 21:11:20 that depends on user habits Jun 12 21:11:23 infact, the one time i did see anything like that it was when i installed mysql Jun 12 21:11:30 * lcuk must be a pro Jun 12 21:11:48 lcuk: i know way too many people working in it that aren't.. Jun 12 21:11:50 * lcuk stands on the street corners twirling his manbag Jun 12 21:11:56 agreed glass Jun 12 21:12:02 but that is true. maintaining a fully functionally linux system is way easier than a fully functional windows system Jun 12 21:12:13 evening kot :) Jun 12 21:12:25 glass: maybe it's because those people don't know much about good habits in computing? Jun 12 21:12:27 :) Jun 12 21:12:28 hi lcuk Jun 12 21:12:28 macoute: it's just that in this reality there are windows only tools that some of us need Jun 12 21:12:43 you can use linux Jun 12 21:12:48 and still crash it frequently Jun 12 21:12:53 see qwerty12 case Jun 12 21:12:53 ;) Jun 12 21:12:57 lol Jun 12 21:12:59 hehe yeah Jun 12 21:13:00 glass: i know. but again, in this particular case we were talking about tools that are linux-only :) Jun 12 21:13:23 glass: and as living i maintain windows system Jun 12 21:13:54 you can run coLinux on Windows btw Jun 12 21:13:55 macoute, i use the linux only tools well. my 810 runs gcc nicely and ive got a usage profile which works and lets me be productive without having to get rid of everything i know Jun 12 21:14:31 but if i could choose, i would use open software only Jun 12 21:14:45 * lcuk loved hacking away at liqbase whilst sat at linuxtag Jun 12 21:15:21 Gay man training for lay clergy 'bullied by sex obsessed female manager'! Jun 12 21:15:46 [and yes, it is obviously from a British newspaper =)] Jun 12 21:15:47 macoute: see closed nit drivers? Jun 12 21:15:48 :> Jun 12 21:16:06 you can't even charge your nit without those Jun 12 21:16:28 what? isn't charging hardware? Jun 12 21:16:28 KotCzarny: _if_ _i_ _could_ _choose_ Jun 12 21:16:32 nope Jun 12 21:16:33 ahoy Jun 12 21:16:38 it's controlled by software Jun 12 21:17:48 no abiword 2008? or am i bad at looking Jun 12 21:17:49 KotCzarny: which software though? Jun 12 21:18:02 does that mean I can't pull the battery, and run from wall powre? Jun 12 21:18:05 power* Jun 12 21:18:16 summa: bme Jun 12 21:18:19 id say i could charge my nit without closed drivers Jun 12 21:18:21 summa, yes, you can Jun 12 21:18:30 macoute: or do you? Jun 12 21:18:47 so why debian project use apps from maemo os? Jun 12 21:19:15 Gadget: Still no Jun 12 21:19:17 *uses Jun 12 21:19:22 KotCzarny: ? it really doesnt Jun 12 21:19:28 closed apps? Jun 12 21:19:53 show me one closed app from debian project and i'll file a severe bug :) Jun 12 21:20:13 debian on maemo Jun 12 21:20:19 project by johnx Jun 12 21:21:31 ...had their Facebook accounts closed by the on-line community's administrators after they uploaded pictures of themselves cooking and eating a cat. Jun 12 21:21:37 Kot: Beware! Jun 12 21:21:59 :) Jun 12 21:22:02 ah, yeah. havent tested it, but i believe that it is controlled by some closed software, but im sure that the battery would load with proper wattage+power without a software at all :) Jun 12 21:22:18 macoute: that's not the case Jun 12 21:22:19 :) Jun 12 21:22:22 but yes, you are right that i cant use my NIT without closed software Jun 12 21:22:24 afaik Jun 12 21:22:46 of course it is Jun 12 21:22:57 it is a goddamned battery Jun 12 21:23:09 but charging circuitry is controlled by software Jun 12 21:23:10 :) Jun 12 21:23:21 ie. it's not automatic Jun 12 21:23:44 yeah, by just plugging some wires it would load, but it would explode as well :) Jun 12 21:24:01 so as i said, that's not the case Jun 12 21:24:13 but im sure i could easily code a loading app for NIT Jun 12 21:24:31 loading app? Jun 12 21:24:36 driver Jun 12 21:24:44 to control the loading process Jun 12 21:24:50 if you rev-eng proper bits, yes Jun 12 21:24:54 or how do you say it ;) Jun 12 21:25:02 yeah, or with the specs Jun 12 21:25:06 but thats just theory Jun 12 21:25:24 as nokia is not so eager to release its specs, i believe :) Jun 12 21:25:42 this is not Nokia specs Jun 12 21:25:53 isnt it? Jun 12 21:26:06 they are TI specs. Nokia is using a standard cookbook OMAP2 design Jun 12 21:26:38 Anybody knows how to deal with this in SDK: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory Jun 12 21:26:58 ok Jun 12 21:27:12 zap: ignore it? Jun 12 21:27:13 :) Jun 12 21:27:23 zap: move to SDK+ Jun 12 21:27:33 I cannot, it stops my apt-get ... Jun 12 21:27:43 but back to my original point: if i could choose, i would use free software all the time Jun 12 21:27:44 RST38h: what is SDK+? Jun 12 21:27:54 probably scrsatchbox2 Jun 12 21:27:55 :) Jun 12 21:27:59 um Jun 12 21:28:06 I have read it's incomplete? Jun 12 21:28:11 zap: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html Jun 12 21:28:15 _but_ i also admit that it is not possible nowadays, as hardware is mostyl closed and i do need some closed apps too Jun 12 21:28:21 Well, it may be incomplete but at least it works Jun 12 21:30:25 I see they recommend running it on Debian etch Jun 12 21:31:15 zap: I am running it on Ubuntu 8 Jun 12 21:31:19 Works like a charm Jun 12 21:31:34 I had today sex with maemo-sdk on Fedora 9 Jun 12 21:31:50 it kind of works, but I don't want to start it all over again Jun 12 21:32:23 Urgh Jun 12 21:32:26 "today sex" is that getting frisky with your calendar? Jun 12 21:33:00 Obviously, choosing Fedora was the first wrong decision you made... Jun 12 21:33:27 oh please, no flame wars Jun 12 21:33:35 Just set up Ubuntu, as Nokia recommends, and put SDK+ on it Jun 12 21:34:01 dell recommends windows vista... does that mean we should use it? Jun 12 21:34:03 I'm okay with Redhat/Fedora for about 15 years Jun 12 21:34:03 No flame war here, just the notion that Nokia guys apparently use Ubuntu Jun 12 21:34:22 slackware ftw! Jun 12 21:34:36 linux fanboys, all of you Jun 12 21:34:37 * zap wonders how OpenEmbedded guys managed to make their stuff build on any distro without any probs Jun 12 21:34:51 SCO Unix FTW!!!!!! * Jun 12 21:35:16 zap: by using secret Chinese medicine to fortify their penises before the installation Jun 12 21:35:27 In North America, 90% of adults consume caffeine daily Jun 12 21:35:28 ;) Jun 12 21:35:33 nope, I guess they used their /dev/head Jun 12 21:35:51 I am sure you have been offered that medicine but deleted those emails... Jun 12 21:35:58 /dev/head is a symlink to lower down isnt it? Jun 12 21:36:10 Kot: and the number is even higher for oxygen! Jun 12 21:36:20 :) Jun 12 21:36:30 what about nitrogen? Jun 12 21:36:53 /dev/head is a block device Jun 12 21:37:33 Caffeine is a plant alkaloid, found in many plant species, where it acts as a natural pesticide Jun 12 21:37:41 so, pesticides are good for you! Jun 12 21:38:00 the name only implies that they are bad for pests... Jun 12 21:38:21 most things are good for you in moderation, but too much of anything can kill you Jun 12 21:38:33 to omuch n8x0 ? Jun 12 21:38:34 btw, unripe tomatoes also conain alkaloids Jun 12 21:38:40 yes Jun 12 21:38:49 yer kot, if i dropped 10,000 on your head you wouldnt be happy for long Jun 12 21:39:07 <||cw> too much water can kill you Jun 12 21:39:11 they wouldn't stack Jun 12 21:39:26 lcuk: that's $4,000,000 Jun 12 21:39:34 <||cw> and dihydrogen monoxide is very lethal Jun 12 21:39:47 ||cw: And bad for environment too Jun 12 21:40:14 the water company round here are sending it down the same pipes. ive written a letter of complaint Jun 12 21:40:15 <||cw> only when it falls from the sky Jun 12 21:40:19 And its products are highly explosve Jun 12 21:52:21 * lcuk is resting his mind tonight Jun 12 21:53:59 resting in peace? Jun 12 21:54:39 no, im trying not to think but its hard work Jun 12 21:54:46 :) Jun 12 21:54:58 take a shower or a walk Jun 12 21:55:08 bath and movie actually :) Jun 12 21:55:22 fine enough :) Jun 12 22:17:01 hey, how do i make sure i'm syndicated on planet :) Jun 12 22:27:08 * timely wonders how to setup an avatar :) Jun 12 22:30:06 so um... how does one setup an avatar? Jun 12 22:33:20 Would there be a problem with me typing on the terminal: mv MyDocs /media/mmc2/ ; ln -s /media/mmc2/MyDocs ./MyDocs ? Jun 12 22:33:46 get rid of the ? and I don't see why it wouldn't work :) Jun 12 22:34:00 although, I'm no expert Jun 12 22:34:06 cobi: just boot from sd Jun 12 22:34:19 Cobi: is mmc2 mounted? Jun 12 22:35:12 This is an N810 ... when I got it, it had a 256M root partition, and a 2GB partition mounted on /media/mmc2. Jun 12 22:35:35 booting from SD is easy, if you care Jun 12 22:36:05 cobi: sd cards are cheap Jun 12 22:36:11 boot from sd Jun 12 22:36:12 :) Jun 12 22:36:17 * shapr just got two 16gb sdhc cards. Jun 12 22:36:40 timely, I have an avatar, but no longer have any idea how did I put it there Jun 12 22:36:55 inz: nice Jun 12 22:37:00 google eventually found it Jun 12 22:37:06 oh Jun 12 22:37:09 sadly now i have to figure out where an avatar for me would be Jun 12 22:37:36 What is the difference between the partition on / (/dev/mtdblock4) and the partition mounted on /media/mmc2 (the internal memory card, /dev/mmcblk0p1)? Jun 12 22:37:52 mmcblk is sd card Jun 12 22:38:01 mtd is internal flash (precious) Jun 12 22:38:03 you mean on an n810? Jun 12 22:38:11 timely: Yes. Jun 12 22:39:09 timely, ah logical that you can only set the image via the "select information to publish" -page Jun 12 22:40:11 So, what I am planning on doing will work and isn't stupid? Jun 12 22:40:14 inz: ain't it? Jun 12 22:40:20 * timely stabs someone Jun 12 22:40:31 Cobi: no, it's stupid :) Jun 12 22:40:38 timely: How so? Jun 12 22:40:53 use usb to connect your n810 to a computer Jun 12 22:40:57 suddenly you're hosed Jun 12 22:41:18 shapr: those don't come in mirco/minisd at all do they? Jun 12 22:41:30 Cobi: there are two behaviors: Jun 12 22:41:56 1. if no files on mmc2 / mmc1 are open, then plugging in via usb will unmount them and export them over usb Jun 12 22:42:08 2. otherwise, they won't be exported Jun 12 22:42:20 so either you break the usb feature, or you break the device Jun 12 22:42:26 neither of which are great ideas :) Jun 12 22:42:34 now, you might choose never to use usb Jun 12 22:42:39 or to live w/ 1 or 2 Jun 12 22:42:40 but ... Jun 12 22:44:04 summatusmentis: Not that I could find. Jun 12 22:44:29 But that's okay by me, I can use them in my XO also. Jun 12 22:44:49 oooh! I want an XO Jun 12 22:44:55 I have two... Jun 12 22:45:01 But I already have a buyer for my other XO. Jun 12 22:45:07 they're supposed to be doing another give one get one thing at the end of this summer Jun 12 22:45:33 Yeh, they are. Jun 12 22:46:24 I'll probably do that, if I can swing it Jun 12 22:46:31 Ok, what about just moving maemo mapper's maps to /media/mmc2 and linking the folder back? Jun 12 22:49:13 inz: any idea about dimensions for an avatar? Jun 12 22:49:34 if the code is proper it will resize it on the server Jun 12 22:49:35 :) Jun 12 22:50:42 proper code? Jun 12 22:50:50 php etc Jun 12 22:50:53 i'm not familiar with that concept in this domain Jun 12 22:51:00 are you sure you're in the right place? :) Jun 12 22:51:09 that's 'if' Jun 12 22:51:10 :) Jun 12 22:51:40 but i believe author wasn't that stupid :) Jun 12 22:52:34 when it comes to images and resizing, i think it's safe to assume that the author can't be smart :) Jun 12 22:52:45 oh.. Jun 12 22:52:46 :) Jun 12 22:53:04 then just use 1600x1200 one and teach him about his/her mistakes :) Jun 12 22:53:20 ok inz/ KotCzarny: can you recognize the image i used? Jun 12 22:53:27 link? Jun 12 22:53:36 maemo profile? :) Jun 12 22:53:44 link? Jun 12 22:53:44 :) Jun 12 22:54:59 maemo.org/profile/view/ timeless Jun 12 22:55:00 :) Jun 12 22:55:14 Error 404: Page could not be found. Jun 12 22:55:15 :) Jun 12 22:55:35 yeah yeah :) Jun 12 22:55:38 nwn Jun 12 22:55:43 erm Jun 12 22:55:44 no Jun 12 22:55:45 boris Jun 12 22:55:46 :) Jun 12 22:55:50 v. Jun 12 22:56:13 ? Jun 12 22:56:24 i recognize the image Jun 12 22:56:31 but never knew the name of it Jun 12 22:57:17 oh, nwn is never winter nights. yeah, that's close Jun 12 22:57:38 i think it's the wrong realm... dl is the right one Jun 12 22:58:09 as i said, never knew the name Jun 12 22:58:10 :) Jun 12 22:58:23 timely, no idea :/ Jun 12 22:58:54 the question is how many people would get the reference Jun 12 22:59:58 * KotCzarny never read/played dl Jun 12 23:01:15 I find it also very logical that the field descriptors and the data on the profile view page aren't synced anyhow Jun 12 23:02:48 ? Jun 12 23:03:25 timely, when looking at your profile, I would guess your username is: "Yes" Jun 12 23:03:42 And your (employee, contractor) -status is "Design, Web" Jun 12 23:03:51 oh right Jun 12 23:03:59 And your ohloh -url is sourceforge.net... Jun 12 23:04:09 :) Jun 12 23:04:21 who did that site? Jun 12 23:04:22 USernamees Jun 12 23:04:34 for me, the Username text overlaps Yes Jun 12 23:04:38 for me too Jun 12 23:05:04 is there a bug filed? Jun 12 23:06:40 No idea Jun 12 23:08:40 * timely can't find one Jun 12 23:10:26 * timely reopens 2201 Jun 12 23:10:33 err 2929 Jun 12 23:12:50 android has looks functionally impressive...is it an oss back-end? Jun 12 23:15:33 hey, how do i browse karma? Jun 12 23:26:45 KotCzarny /inz : odd, i think i remember filing a bug like that Jun 12 23:26:49 but i can't find it, i'm filing Jun 12 23:26:55 because i don't have enough karma :) Jun 12 23:27:02 heh Jun 12 23:27:04 Grr, firefox asks thrice if I want to save my password when logging into maemo.org Jun 12 23:27:59 firefox 2? Jun 12 23:28:04 aye Jun 12 23:28:09 do you have something against fx3rc3? Jun 12 23:28:15 like osx10.3.9? Jun 12 23:28:20 rc4 Jun 12 23:28:37 Yeah, gf's machine which I do not plan to mess up Jun 12 23:28:55 (been helping her with her thesis) Jun 12 23:29:30 On my laptop I happily run fx3 (whatever version that is in hardy) Jun 12 23:29:46 The new way of asking whether to save the password is really nice Jun 12 23:29:53 Now you don't accidentally save _wrong_ credentials Jun 12 23:34:57 right Jun 12 23:35:15 i asked the tablet browser to implement that before the feature was proposed for ff Jun 12 23:35:29 sadly... it probably won't make diablo+1 Jun 12 23:36:12 btw. firefox doesn't compile for maemo as is? Jun 12 23:36:31 why?!? I feel like that'd be incredibly slow Jun 12 23:36:46 KotCzarny: is that a question? Jun 12 23:36:51 i'm not asking how fast it will be but if it compiles Jun 12 23:37:07 it should... Jun 12 23:37:14 timely: yeah, i have never saw any report of (un)successful compilation of firefox Jun 12 23:37:16 there's no integration, not that it matters much Jun 12 23:37:19 for maemo Jun 12 23:37:28 mostly if you're on an n800 that means no keyboard Jun 12 23:37:35 not really Jun 12 23:37:36 xvkbd Jun 12 23:37:37 :) Jun 12 23:37:43 or bt... sure Jun 12 23:37:49 * KotCzarny nods Jun 12 23:37:59 anyway, fennec isn't really different from firefox Jun 12 23:38:09 versions more recent than 1.0.x would compile, but would segfault on Angstrom, don't know if that has any bearing on judging if it'll work on maemo Jun 12 23:38:14 fennec is xulrunner hosted, and firefox can be xulrunner hosted Jun 12 23:38:24 let's check debian armel repo Jun 12 23:38:25 :> Jun 12 23:38:27 angstrom? Jun 12 23:38:41 for Zaurii, and other machines, OE stuff Jun 12 23:39:09 KotCzarny: one of the people on ITT is using ff3, in a debian chroot, iirc Jun 12 23:39:37 yuck Jun 12 23:39:44 is there really enough space for a chroot? Jun 12 23:40:02 if you put it on an SD card Jun 12 23:40:02 sd boot Jun 12 23:43:11 btw, the maemo planet feed thumbs/hearts in web2 are really spiffy Jun 12 23:44:33 inz: just download a nightly equivalent and extract it on the desktop Jun 12 23:44:50 create a shortcut that does -P inz -no-remote Jun 12 23:44:59 that way your stuff doesn't interfere w/ hers Jun 12 23:50:48 how do i disable 'downloads complete' popup in fx3? Jun 12 23:50:52 i hate it Jun 12 23:51:05 and option for it is missing from prefs Jun 12 23:54:03 irc.mozilla.org #firefox :) Jun 12 23:54:09 bah. Jun 12 23:54:22 i won't answer your non maemo related questions too Jun 12 23:54:23 :) Jun 12 23:56:04 So I enabled usb host mode on my 770 hooked up a usb key according to all those posted directions about power injecting...now what? how do I actually access the thing? Jun 12 23:56:43 KotCzarny: what non maemo question? :) Jun 12 23:56:52 timely: any :) Jun 12 23:59:11 has anyone made a real web2 planet reader? Jun 12 23:59:26 i want to quickly browse through and thumbs up/down dozens of items :) Jun 13 00:03:40 err, you can heart and thumb down the same article? Jun 13 00:04:35 Hmm? Jun 13 00:19:38 how is maemo pronounced? is it ma-Emo or mImo? Jun 13 00:20:06 I think it was may-moe Jun 13 00:20:07 i pronounce it as 'memo' Jun 13 00:20:08 :) Jun 13 00:20:09 Not sure Jun 13 00:20:29 ok so I mounted my usb drive on my 770 :) What file manager are people using nowadays to replace the default? Jun 13 00:20:43 mc Jun 13 00:20:49 I need one the actually lets me see the system Jun 13 00:20:50 I'm not using anything Jun 13 00:21:02 KotCzarny: I might use it...but I wouldn't mind a GUI one Jun 13 00:21:22 define gui Jun 13 00:21:30 gooeys are good Jun 13 00:21:35 non terminal one Jun 13 00:22:17 ncurses is nice but I was hoping for something I could show to a friend... Jun 13 00:22:49 canola Jun 13 00:23:06 though i don't know if they support 770 Jun 13 00:23:10 wait will canola even be able to see my drive? Jun 13 00:23:28 yea canola is fully supported on the 770, actually it works a bit better due to the gpu Jun 13 00:23:30 Canola isn't a file manager Jun 13 00:23:45 that depends on the task Jun 13 00:23:46 no but it lets me browse my media files Jun 13 00:24:04 and that is enough for showing off everything else can be done via terminal Jun 13 00:24:44 i think there was also some kind of desktop explorer Jun 13 00:25:06 was rox ported? Jun 13 00:26:10 didn think so, I saw a partial port ages ago Jun 13 00:35:32 TheFool, Quim pronounces it "my-mo" Jun 13 00:35:44 Americans tend towards "may-mo" Jun 13 00:36:00 There's no official recommendation. Jun 13 00:37:00 Yay for an ambiguously pronounced name Jun 13 00:38:00 TheFool you there? Jun 13 00:38:47 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897#c6 Interesting Jun 13 00:39:25 Xorg instead of KDrive? Jun 13 00:39:28 o_o Jun 13 00:39:48 Also interesting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278#c7 Jun 13 00:40:22 yay Jun 13 00:41:33 Quim's pronounciation(sp?) is more correct, assuming 'ae' is read as in latin Jun 13 00:42:05 Atarii: Now I am Jun 13 00:42:05 whats up? Jun 13 00:42:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days&diff=1510&oldid=1398 lol? Jun 13 00:43:23 what did you use to connect your usb drive? Jun 13 00:43:37 also have you got canola2 to work on the 770? Jun 13 00:44:20 Canola's supposed to work Jun 13 00:47:01 used a y cable and a powered hub Jun 13 00:47:14 and yea works fine as per the instructions on the canola web site Jun 13 00:47:30 it just takes some foolin' with the repos, but they tell you what to do Jun 13 00:47:44 just never upgrade your enlightenment libraries... Jun 13 00:48:46 i cant get canola to friggin work Jun 13 00:48:54 even following those instructions Jun 13 00:49:02 Atarii: what is it doing exactly? Jun 13 00:49:13 mind running it from terminal and reading out the errors? Jun 13 00:49:16 it installs Jun 13 00:49:28 yea canola -v outputs about the dbus or something Jun 13 00:49:32 but ive changed that version Jun 13 00:49:34 one sec Jun 13 00:50:06 dammit no battery Jun 13 00:52:03 This is just a little confusing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand Jun 13 00:52:09 alright well just describe the behavior to me when started normally Jun 13 00:52:55 This is just a little confusing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand Jun 13 00:53:39 rite is says,deprecationWarming: The dbus_bindings module is not public API and will go away soon Jun 13 00:53:54 other crap Jun 13 00:54:13 VAlueError: No plugin found with filter 'SystemProperties' Jun 13 00:55:30 any ideas? Jun 13 01:00:28 o wait Jun 13 01:00:34 which OS do you have TheFool? Jun 13 01:01:20 Are they seriously gonna go from maemo -> Maemo? Jun 13 01:01:36 I mean . . . switching after 3 years of telling people the right way to do it. :\ Jun 13 01:02:39 people will do what they want Jun 13 01:02:47 i'm not capsing for anyone! Jun 13 01:13:06 I thought it *was* "Maemo" Jun 13 01:13:23 "maemo" is just people being lazy Jun 13 01:13:53 No. Jun 13 01:13:55 It's maemo. Jun 13 01:14:03 * GeneralAntilles slaps rm_you with another clue. Jun 13 01:14:10 that doesn't make sense... it's a proper noun Jun 13 01:14:14 http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/ Jun 13 01:14:18 proper nouns are capitalized Jun 13 01:14:20 <_< Jun 13 01:14:27 It's a trademark Jun 13 01:14:36 Trademarks are capitalized however they want to be. Jun 13 01:14:40 an incorrectly capitalized trademark, then Jun 13 01:14:42 pft Jun 13 01:15:37 English -> proper nouns = capitalized Jun 13 01:17:44 maybe mr ee cummings might have a comment or two on that Jun 13 01:19:24 cummings is a funny name Jun 13 01:19:30 nowadays Jun 13 01:21:50 So's kipling Jun 13 01:31:19 TheFool you still there? Jun 13 02:41:38 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028#c7 Jun 13 02:41:39 :/ Jun 13 02:45:34 has anyone tried wesnoth on n810? Jun 13 02:45:48 GeneralAntilles has Jun 13 02:46:01 and if has, does it lag seriously and reboot the machine every 5 minutes or so? Jun 13 02:46:48 No. Jun 13 02:47:02 Do you have virtual memory on? Jun 13 02:47:12 it runs fine here. Jun 13 02:47:42 dunno, i think it's pretty vanilla settings Jun 13 02:48:29 Make sure your internal partition isn't oversized and turn on vm. It's necessary to play Wesnoth. Jun 13 02:48:40 I tried to start the northern rebirth campaign, but was unable to complete the first turn Jun 13 02:48:56 ok, I'll try Jun 13 02:51:53 whats wesnoth? Jun 13 02:52:02 . . . Jun 13 02:52:12 Battle for Wesnoth? Jun 13 02:52:28 * GAN800 slaps rm_you with yet another clue. Jun 13 02:52:48 yeah what is it Jun 13 02:53:02 sometimes instead of slapping me, you could actually answer the question :P Jun 13 02:53:09 wesnoth is a way I can spend 20 minutes x2 every day in train comfortably Jun 13 02:53:31 turn based strategy game. Jun 13 02:53:46 it's a fantasy strategy game resembling fantasy general a bit Jun 13 02:56:20 Hi Jun 13 02:56:36 anyone here? Jun 13 02:56:58 249 nicks it seems Jun 13 02:57:05 I'm not here Jun 13 02:57:10 ah, hello Jun 13 02:57:33 are there any other IRC channels about the n800? Jun 13 02:57:44 no Jun 13 02:57:44 I'm not a developer, but this is the only one I could find Jun 13 02:57:58 I'm not a dev either Jun 13 02:58:03 it's a mix Jun 13 02:58:06 dev and user Jun 13 02:58:23 I'm just trying to get some help with questions I have. I've been trying to contact thoughtfix for like a week now, but he's NEVER on skype Jun 13 02:58:42 I have got more help from here than googling Jun 13 02:58:45 tried sending an email? Jun 13 02:58:59 >_>... Jun 13 02:59:01 no Jun 13 02:59:02 -_- Jun 13 02:59:09 kids these days Jun 13 02:59:14 haha, I have a whole sheet of questions written out Jun 13 02:59:40 maybe you guys can help me out? Jun 13 02:59:40 I he your personal support line or something? :/ Jun 13 02:59:47 people actaully use skype? Jun 13 02:59:54 I use skype Jun 13 02:59:56 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 13 02:59:57 2008