**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 02:59:56 2008 Jun 14 03:08:11 Sorry, I don't know Jun 14 03:08:24 Anyone else here using Bell Mobility? Jun 14 03:23:15 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/maemo-recorder_0.2.0_armel.deb (--unpack): Jun 14 03:23:16 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstwavenc.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-extra Jun 14 03:51:12 Is there a linux tool I can use to download maemo-mapper compatible maps on my desktop? Jun 14 03:51:25 (To transfer to my N810) Jun 14 03:52:16 Qemu? Jun 14 04:13:28 I know this is a stupid question Jun 14 04:13:44 * Mousey hides Jun 14 04:13:50 but is there any way to get the terminal that comes with the n810 (osso_xterm) to do default white on black text? Jun 14 04:13:57 I can only seem to change the background not the foreground Jun 14 04:14:01 ph Jun 14 04:14:03 oh Jun 14 04:14:09 i feel stupid Jun 14 04:14:09 yup Jun 14 04:14:25 mine is set that way by default, Jun 14 04:14:29 hmm, Jun 14 04:15:22 click on the name of the font Jun 14 04:15:42 it is a dialog box in disguise as a clever button Jun 14 04:16:02 sweet Jun 14 04:16:03 thanks dude. Jun 14 04:16:31 np Jun 14 04:16:49 this gronmayer site is great. Jun 14 04:17:14 oh? is that the one with all the repos? Jun 14 04:17:17 yea Jun 14 04:17:40 yah. i added ALL of them, but then, i'm insane Jun 14 04:17:58 it wouldn't work with all of them Jun 14 04:18:01 gave me crap about updating Jun 14 04:18:07 and it was too stupid to tell me WHICH one broke Jun 14 04:18:12 so I had to go around and randomly kill some Jun 14 04:18:54 argh, it seems like pynotify isn't available Jun 14 04:19:14 i *did* say i was insane Jun 14 04:22:57 You need about 2 Jun 14 04:23:02 Extras and Extras-devel Jun 14 04:23:06 maybe FBReader Jun 14 04:23:37 ha! dullard! Jun 14 04:23:42 ^_^ Jun 14 04:24:31 and whatever one "personal menu" is in Jun 14 04:24:47 cuz damn, contacts is a useless button Jun 14 04:25:07 Extras Jun 14 04:25:09 Or should be Jun 14 04:25:15 It's either not in a repo or in Extras. Jun 14 04:25:53 it's totally in a repo. take it from me, a seasoned repo whore Jun 14 04:26:03 ^___^ Jun 14 04:26:30 Then it's in Extras. Jun 14 04:26:40 * Toba adds extras-devel and fbreader Jun 14 04:27:10 Toba, you may want to browse through the list and see if there's anything else that interests you, but, generally speaking, stuff not in Extras really shouldn't be worth your time. Jun 14 04:27:25 The other exception might be nitapps.com Jun 14 04:27:32 jalimo had a JVM Jun 14 04:27:38 somebody really needs to get him to upload his stuff to Extras(-devel) Jun 14 04:27:41 but I would like a JVM with most of the standard java libraries Jun 14 04:27:42 i wish it was a JVM Jun 14 04:28:04 want a jvm? install palmos (aka garnetvm) Jun 14 04:28:19 it's actually not inna repo Jun 14 04:28:30 there, my secret is out Jun 14 04:28:45 uh, where *is* it Jun 14 04:29:39 http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ Jun 14 04:30:16 niiiiiice Jun 14 04:30:21 yah, but it's a lot like chopping down a redwood to make a toothpick Jun 14 04:30:32 I guess it is Jun 14 04:30:38 I don't need all this palm stuff Jun 14 04:30:43 I don't even really *need* this Jun 14 04:30:47 I can just ssh out and run this app somewhere else Jun 14 04:30:57 or maybe I could install vmware on my n810 and run gentoo inside Jun 14 04:30:58 rite.. but, no maemo jvm Jun 14 04:30:59 <_< >_> Jun 14 04:31:01 * Toba kids Jun 14 04:31:53 vmware doesn't work on ARM. :\ Jun 14 04:31:57 It's not an emulator Jun 14 04:32:52 I know Jun 14 04:32:56 maybe qemu... Jun 14 04:33:04 Pfft Jun 14 04:33:13 DOSBox does x86 at about 16MHz on a good day. Jun 14 04:33:17 there's probably an ARM branch distro of gentoo that would work. but it sonds like more work than would be worth it Jun 14 04:33:28 debian is probably more practical Jun 14 04:33:32 ^ Jun 14 04:33:44 yeah, probably Jun 14 04:33:52 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20053 Jun 14 04:34:13 I wish the n810 had virtual desktops like most linux does Jun 14 04:34:19 but I guess I don't run *that* much on it Jun 14 04:34:20 so it's silly Jun 14 04:34:57 are there any good directconnect clients for maemo? Jun 14 04:35:15 or is usb much smarter for this Jun 14 04:36:05 sftp? Jun 14 04:37:14 hm that would work Jun 14 04:37:23 smb Jun 14 04:37:25 nfs Jun 14 04:37:35 rsync Jun 14 04:37:36 sshfs works but it's not that good gui wise Jun 14 04:37:42 grsync! Jun 14 04:37:45 :o Jun 14 04:37:49 16gb sdhc card! Jun 14 04:38:12 not for mini/micro tho is it? Jun 14 04:38:33 I thought there was a lower limit on the n810 sd card wise Jun 14 04:38:35 or some stupid thing Jun 14 04:38:35 Nah, I've only been able to find fullsize sd cards. Jun 14 04:38:40 A lower limit? Jun 14 04:38:52 Fullsize SD cards fit into my N800. Jun 14 04:39:05 And I have two 16gb cards! That's a lot of space. Jun 14 04:39:42 I mean Jun 14 04:39:49 that n810 can't take as big a card as n800 can Jun 14 04:39:53 shapr, 8 have one in an eee900 Jun 14 04:40:32 Also, the N810 doesn't have an internal SDHC slot, right? Jun 14 04:40:38 i am envious of that n800 tho. that's a lot of space Jun 14 04:41:03 Toshiba produces 32GB cards, but I haven't been able to find them for sale anywhere. Jun 14 04:41:24 I'm especially happy that I found class 6 16gb sdhc cards. Jun 14 04:46:49 why would the n810 have reduced storage capacity? Jun 14 04:46:52 I don't get why they would do that to us Jun 14 04:47:29 yeah the limit is 8gb on the n810 :( Jun 14 04:48:17 What limit? Jun 14 04:49:33 Toba, the size limit in the N810 is 2048GB Jun 14 04:49:42 They reduced the size of the SD card because they ran out of room. Jun 14 04:50:36 it says in the manual that the 'limit' is 8GB. Jun 14 04:50:55 yeah Jun 14 04:51:04 Toba, that's just what they tested it with Jun 14 04:51:07 oh Jun 14 04:51:07 My 16gb cards work fine in my N800. Jun 14 04:51:10 The hardware limit is 2048GB Jun 14 04:51:12 and you are not grown enough to not to trust every written sentence? Jun 14 04:51:15 And they work in my OLPC XOs as well. Jun 14 04:51:34 KotCzarny: what I am seeing in this channel is also written sentences. Jun 14 04:51:39 yup Jun 14 04:51:47 so choose your wisdom source Jun 14 04:51:54 manual written few years ago Jun 14 04:52:00 Toba: Or even easier, get a 16gb card and try it out. Jun 14 04:52:01 or current PRACTICAL knowledge Jun 14 04:52:10 shapr: yeah, I guess if all else fails I can just put it in my camera. Jun 14 04:52:38 Micro/MiniSD cards don't exist in any sort of volume yet. Jun 14 05:00:39 hmm Jun 14 05:00:50 nwn1 almost playable on my ati 7000 :> Jun 14 05:29:26 Hi, how can we install xulrunner in maemo chinook? Jun 14 05:29:45 apt-get install xulrunner is not working Jun 14 05:56:14 ~easyroot Jun 14 05:56:15 somebody said easyroot was an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com Jun 14 06:14:06 #openmoko Jun 14 06:17:33 um Jun 14 06:17:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191954#post191954 Jun 14 06:17:40 what u think? Jun 14 06:33:47 night Jun 14 06:56:35 Qwerty!!!! What's up G money dog nuts? :) Jun 14 06:58:29 Lol, hi, lets chat on the PM :) Jun 14 06:58:38 (IRC PM that is) Jun 14 06:59:13 Okay. I'm using http://java.freenode.net/ for the first time. How can I do that? Jun 14 07:00:06 No idea, have any tabs with my name come up? :/ Jun 14 07:02:30 http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3379/61278126cn6.png Jun 14 07:03:17 Dodgy, does anything come up when you double click my name? Jun 14 07:03:32 I get poop squat... :( Jun 14 07:03:44 Just your real name I think. Jun 14 07:03:58 /msg qwerty12 Jun 14 07:04:02 Get a real client, though. Jun 14 07:04:44 If I right click on your name I can kick, ban, or even better yet, kick and ban you all at once. Should I try that? :) Jun 14 07:04:56 You don't have operator status. Jun 14 07:05:08 /msg qwerty12 Jun 14 07:05:09 Well I should. Jun 14 07:05:15 Thanks, GeneralAntilles. Addison: type what GeneralAntilles said. Jun 14 07:05:29 Yeah, I tried that but I got "msg : insufficient parameters" Jun 14 07:05:54 http://www.silverex.org/ ? Jun 14 07:06:09 /msg qwerty12 Hi loser Jun 14 07:06:27 /msg qwerty12 Hi loser Jun 14 07:06:34 Yikes. Jun 14 07:06:38 Without a leading space. Jun 14 07:06:51 No wait, you have to be registered on freenode iirc to send pm's Jun 14 07:07:01 /msg nickserv register Jun 14 07:07:36 Already registered Jun 14 07:07:38 pick another nick Jun 14 07:07:42 /nick Jun 14 07:07:53 I typed this "/msg nickserv register poopers zippy_the_wonderslug@hotmail.com" Jun 14 07:08:07 Now we know your password :/ Jun 14 07:08:08 :P Jun 14 07:08:12 And got this "Addison is already registered." .... but I think that's me. Jun 14 07:08:21 Did you log on 15 hours ago? Jun 14 07:08:24 Are you a drupal.org user? Jun 14 07:08:24 No. Jun 14 07:08:30 Then it's not you. Jun 14 07:08:34 Pick a new nick. Jun 14 07:08:37 Just get a real client, I don't this java stuff is working Jun 14 07:09:11 Okay. Let me download Mirc. My internet connection runs on Dixie cups and string wire. Should only take me about a day. Jun 14 07:10:19 http://www.mibbit.com/ may work better Jun 14 07:20:23 Oh dear lord. I'm trying to use Mirc but I'm getting all this weirdness.... Jun 14 07:20:24 Connect retry #7 chat.freenode.net (6668) (dns pool) Jun 14 07:20:58 This one is my favorite though.... Jun 14 07:20:59 Unable to connect to server (Connection refused) Jun 14 07:21:18 6668? Jun 14 07:21:34 It's a random server I guess. Jun 14 07:21:38 oh, this server uses some non-standard ports Jun 14 07:21:40 That's all I had to choose from. Jun 14 07:22:00 yea, I just noticed I am currently connected to chat.freenode.net (82.96.64.4) port 8001 Jun 14 07:23:18 Hey qwerty, what's the need for a private chat anyway? I'm not looking for any type of tawdry smut action online sex with you. :) Jun 14 07:23:51 Haha, it's just easier for me to explain stuff like that :) Jun 14 07:24:10 Well, this is where I am right now.... Jun 14 07:24:11 Connect retry #22 chat.freenode.net (6668) Jun 14 07:24:20 It's not looking too promising. Jun 14 07:25:08 Fair enough, what do you want to ask anyway? Jun 14 07:25:38 Just wanted to chat you up for while I'm still conscious. I was hoping that you could trick out my tablet like yours. Jun 14 07:25:47 You don't want to do that. Jun 14 07:25:59 ^ Jun 14 07:26:08 Haha, my tablets plain anyway atm Jun 14 07:26:24 A. It's pointless B. It'll just run down your battery C. and make it unstable and D. It's pointless. Jun 14 07:26:58 Hold on. I think I might actually be in good standing with Mirc. Jun 14 07:27:11 Joy! Jun 14 07:29:57 Anyone know where I can get an amixer binary from? debian packages is down for me otherwise, I'd have jacked it from there Jun 14 07:38:52 qwerty12, it's up here Jun 14 07:39:02 just slow Jun 14 07:39:20 It keeps timing out for me :/ Jun 14 07:40:42 I'll just go on the main alsa website and compile alsa-tools, alsa-utils .14 -it must be in one of them somewhere Jun 14 07:40:51 heh...just remembered I'm *on* a Debian system. I'll just tell you what package amixer is in. :P Jun 14 07:41:44 Thanks for reminding me :) :P Jun 14 07:41:45 alsa-utils Jun 14 07:57:08 Okie, N800 uses PCM instead of Master right? Jun 14 08:37:25 Is there a sort of grep command that will go into every file in a directory and replace bash with sh? Jun 14 08:41:30 sed ? Jun 14 08:41:57 I dunno, as long as it works in all honesty :/. I'll man sed. Jun 14 08:44:15 probably find + sed will work Jun 14 08:45:43 Hi ! Jun 14 08:46:19 Anyone using 10.5? Jun 14 08:46:41 er, 10.5 of what? Jun 14 08:46:51 10.5 ? Leopard ? Jun 14 08:47:08 no sorry ... too restricted os Jun 14 08:48:40 * GeneralAntilles pokes johnx with a sharpened stick. Jun 14 08:48:52 Morning. Jun 14 08:49:08 Morning Jun 14 08:49:26 Nice post from Ted Tso btw: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/06/13/learning-how-to-communicate/ Jun 14 08:50:57 Ah, a friend of mine upgraded to Leopard and now her iBook is too slow to use Jun 14 08:53:43 qwerty12, http://atonal.ucdavis.edu/resources/general_howto/replace_strings_howto.htm Jun 14 08:53:50 perl ftw Jun 14 08:54:02 beford, thanks! Jun 14 08:55:50 Deka, spotlight indexing? Jun 14 08:56:03 Yeah, that could be it Jun 14 08:56:12 X-Fade, who do I need to talk to to get a voting script set up? Jun 14 08:56:12 It's just, it takes about ten minutes to cold boot Jun 14 08:56:26 How much space is left on the drive? Jun 14 08:56:31 Was it a clean upgrade? Jun 14 08:56:47 GeneralAntilles: Is there a wiki plugin for it? Jun 14 08:56:49 Oh, it was a full format Jun 14 08:57:02 X-Fade, good question, but I highly doubt it. Jun 14 08:57:17 GeneralAntilles: It really depends on where we want to run it. Jun 14 08:57:18 Wikipedia doesn't really do voting. Jun 14 08:57:32 Well, I need it for two things, the logo contest and the community council elections. Jun 14 08:57:42 Both should be using the garage accounts. Jun 14 08:58:39 Ok, this is effing cool Jun 14 08:59:13 According to Dmitrygr, the MMC specification allows for daisy chaining. You can wire up to eight MMC cards to one slot and access them serially Jun 14 08:59:30 GeneralAntilles: There is a midgard poll module available, this might be setup + some filtering. Jun 14 09:00:25 X-Fade, http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council#Council_voting_karma_requirements and http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:maemo.org_logo_contest#False_Voting_Prevention Jun 14 09:00:40 Basically, the accounts need to be a certain age OR have about a certain amount of karma. Jun 14 09:00:51 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I track Recent Changes ;) Jun 14 09:01:06 I figured as much, but just in case. Jun 14 09:01:22 That query won't be a big problem. Jun 14 09:01:45 We should know account creation date and we know karma. Jun 14 09:02:05 Speaking of karma, did you see a change in yours? Jun 14 09:02:46 lol Jun 14 09:02:47 http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil.html Jun 14 09:02:49 SIGN OF THE BEAST! Jun 14 09:03:04 Yes, mine changed. Jun 14 09:03:06 Heh. Jun 14 09:03:44 The problem was that the script ran too long with all the users that it timed out somewhere ;) Jun 14 09:03:53 Oops Jun 14 09:05:50 I'd suggest you mail a request for the poll and requirements to the maemo2midgard mailinglist. There we have all the tech people on one list, so we can discuss if it is doable. Jun 14 09:06:04 Right-o Jun 14 09:06:20 During next week, we will create a maemo-community list. Jun 14 09:06:22 well, default CFS as of that version is too... granular for maemo ;P Jun 14 09:07:11 and that version has bugs Jun 14 09:07:27 need a backport of the new CFS patches Jun 14 09:16:10 Khertan: ping? Jun 14 09:20:07 X-Fade, OK, sent. Jun 14 09:20:26 Any progress on the login page? Jun 14 09:21:28 Not yet, there were some other serious issues to attend to first. But I will ping Ferenc again. Jun 14 09:22:11 Alright, cool. Jun 14 09:39:21 is the usbstorage and usbfs support already in the kernel of os2008 included? Jun 14 10:02:29 roadmap is wayfinder? Jun 14 10:02:31 yes? Jun 14 10:02:36 No Jun 14 10:02:48 ph Jun 14 10:02:52 ,,, Jun 14 10:03:27 qwerty12 Jun 14 10:03:31 ....... Jun 14 10:26:50 does fmradio work on n810? Jun 14 10:27:00 No, doesn't have a tuner Jun 14 10:27:03 Without a radio inside? Jun 14 10:28:21 I see, thanks Jun 14 10:46:05 iceweasel Jun 14 11:38:27 guys, is there any way to get the current cpu speed in MHz ? Jun 14 11:44:32 b0unc3: havent checked, but id say cat /proc/cpuinfo Jun 14 11:46:28 i disabled lifeguard, now if i flash it again with the modified bootmenu-flash, does my lifeguard get enabled again? Jun 14 11:52:14 GeneralAntilles: yo Jun 14 11:52:50 GeneralAntilles: lol Jun 14 12:03:23 * lcuk is known in russia Jun 14 12:09:37 lcuk: ? >_> Jun 14 12:09:53 lcuk: release your stuff yet? :P Jun 14 12:10:17 well people have found an early playtest binary so merrr i mustv Jun 14 12:10:32 <_< Jun 14 12:10:41 a decently NEW version? >_> Jun 14 12:11:26 april17th, so nahhh Jun 14 12:12:09 >_< Jun 14 12:12:20 whatev. i'm gonna go nap Jun 14 12:12:39 GeneralAntilles: I'll hit you up later Jun 14 12:12:41 burry muff, cya later Jun 14 12:13:38 http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/2532880923/ Jun 14 12:13:40 Want Jun 14 12:30:18 if i use the whole planet.osm file für navit, the table will slow down very much, doenst it? Jun 14 12:40:42 is there no wget on maemo per default? Jun 14 13:26:17 KotCzarny, ping Jun 14 13:34:40 does the web brower work for URLs that start with "wyciwyg://" ? Jun 14 13:35:37 and btw, what's the idea behind that protocol? Jun 14 14:24:46 Hello - Day 3 with the N800 Jun 14 14:25:17 my two friends, both "power users" with mainly macs, each failed to get the OS Flashing to go Jun 14 14:26:20 I got mine right away, mainly due to a little prompting from this channel, and the fact that I have an Ubuntu box, and I know enough to use it for a few things.. (I am a coder, but far from Linux power user) Jun 14 14:27:12 at any rate.. the N800 is happily playing Internet radio into my stereo to my left as I type ths.. thanks to the channel.. I have ssh and vnc to it, too Jun 14 14:28:16 Q. AIM .. the chat client didnt seem to have an AIM account option. Is that true? Is there an Adium for maemo ?? Jun 14 14:29:17 hmm. darkblue: There's two options - one, installing pidgin - that's not so "integrated" solution but works for many. Jun 14 14:29:55 pidgin sucks. Get the Collabora telepathy plugin for it Jun 14 14:30:08 The repo is listed on gronmayer Jun 14 14:30:26 I am still lost with this repo situation.. Jun 14 14:30:26 GAN800: Hmm...is that different than rtcomm beta? Jun 14 14:30:37 Alternatively, just set up am AIM transport with a google talk account and use that. Jun 14 14:30:45 Veggen, yes. Jun 14 14:30:48 oh Jun 14 14:31:11 pidgen sucks.. thats a clue! I wish to avoid sucky packages!! Jun 14 14:31:23 so.. AIM transport with Google Talk eh? Jun 14 14:31:33 darkblue_B, there are really only two you need, and that's Extras (included by default) and maybe Extras-devel. Jun 14 14:32:17 GAN800: Things are getting better in that regard, yes? developers are using the extras repository more? Jun 14 14:34:25 btw- I just broughtup the VNC connection while typing this Jun 14 14:35:04 odd how I cant seem to click on the "4 tiles" icon, or bring up the keyboard interface, with a VNC originated click Jun 14 14:35:09 other than that everything works Jun 14 14:36:20 You may or may not find interest in a couple of other repos. I would probably recommend the FBReader, repo, Collabora and nitapps.com Jun 14 14:36:43 how do I add these to the App Mgr (or whatnot) ? Jun 14 14:36:55 or find the right address! :-) Jun 14 14:38:10 maemo.org/community/application Catalog/ Extras... Jun 14 14:38:12 looking Jun 14 14:39:18 oh wait.. this is instrutions for a pkg builder Jun 14 14:40:44 os2008 .. I believe... is chinook.. what I have Jun 14 14:41:14 lot of refs to bora Jun 14 14:43:00 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ is a decent list of repositories. and one-click-install-files for them all. Jun 14 14:44:33 darkblue_B: the file you're going to be messing with is /etc/apt/sources.list I believe Jun 14 14:44:35 Veggen: thx looking Jun 14 14:45:03 unixSnob: ok I can look at that Jun 14 14:45:14 (that's if you add to the apt-get repository).. the app manager gets more repositories using the gui Jun 14 14:45:43 unixSnob: it's the same repository. Jun 14 14:46:03 Veggen: nice.. I was wondering that Jun 14 14:46:13 app manager is just a gui for apt. Jun 14 14:46:29 I like GUIs generally Jun 14 14:46:53 (I build them ;-) Jun 14 14:49:13 hi, anybody can help me? Jun 14 14:49:43 rafael: No. Because we don't know what you need help with, yet :) Jun 14 14:49:54 file /etc/apt/sources.list is empty right now.... Jun 14 14:50:07 hi rafael Jun 14 14:51:14 i'm try the pluthon Jun 14 14:52:06 I don't know, you can help me with Pluthon on Maemo? Jun 14 14:52:23 repository Maemo chinook.. thats me with os2008, y? Jun 14 14:52:41 rafael: Not tried it myself (but hang around, someone might have, but not everyone here is active all the time) Jun 14 14:53:05 uhm.. Jun 14 14:53:06 :( Jun 14 14:53:10 ok Jun 14 14:53:33 darkblue: yes, OS2008 is chinook. Jun 14 14:53:49 thx Jun 14 14:54:05 I dont see extras-dev yet Jun 14 14:54:13 i'm using Eclipse on Ubuntu with Pydev and Pluthon, and Pluthon on My Os2008 on N800 Jun 14 14:54:34 hmm neat Jun 14 14:55:13 well, gotta go. Jun 14 14:55:26 bye Veggen! Jun 14 14:55:28 thx Jun 14 14:56:32 on Eclipse, when I try connect on N800, the pluthon need 2 passwords, to Ssh... Jun 14 14:57:33 ok, i entry with this and the console of eclipse, show "exit 0" :S Jun 14 14:57:47 i don't undestand... Jun 14 14:58:21 how is it? :S Jun 14 15:00:27 you can connect w/ regular ssh yes? Jun 14 15:00:57 oops bye :p Jun 14 15:05:40 ok, thanks to that great link, I now have a few more repositories enabled Jun 14 15:06:20 file /etc/apt/sources.list is *still* empty though Jun 14 15:06:33 so its not exactly the source for the new listings for apt Jun 14 15:07:32 check the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Jun 14 15:08:41 yep.. thats the one Jun 14 15:09:06 hildon application manager.list Jun 14 15:11:17 it would be great to set up the AIM transport for Google Talk Jun 14 15:11:29 with the built in Chat app I suppose .. Jun 14 15:11:40 I wonder how I go about that... hmmm. Jun 14 15:12:39 has anyone looked at PyGUI on maemo before? it seems to work quite well. Jun 14 15:14:29 re Google Talk and AIM.. the help page at Google talks about Pidgen.. but i havent found anyhting else yet Jun 14 15:15:21 hmm instrutions are promising.. Jun 14 15:20:23 nope... advanced settings on chat account dont line up with the AIM bridge instructions Jun 14 15:39:00 ok, now building a kernel with CFS patched up to 2.6.25 Jun 14 15:44:07 nah, build errors, so I messed up ;P Jun 14 15:44:09 fixing Jun 14 15:46:42 NOOOOO... Jun 14 15:46:48 I messed up, badly Jun 14 15:46:55 so that hour of work went... away Jun 14 15:47:06 next time, remind me to use STGit Jun 14 15:47:11 doh Jun 14 15:47:51 did a checkout in a wrong dir Jun 14 15:47:56 and git is too helpful ;P Jun 14 15:49:36 at least I now know where to avoid mistakes Jun 14 16:11:48 The tech pundits are increasingly leaving me wanting Jun 14 16:13:14 advocating open-source w/o actually using it Jun 14 16:16:18 hi there Jun 14 16:20:21 dick which pundits Jun 14 16:20:30 hi gnuton Jun 14 16:20:49 hey lcuk2 Jun 14 16:20:51 :) Jun 14 16:21:21 * lcuk2 cant thumb type with 810 on chest Jun 14 16:23:57 lcuk2: laporte and crew. was listening to this week in tech and they were rather disparaging toward web tablets while hoping that apple was going to release one Jun 14 16:24:33 the device they were hoping apple would release was almost identical to the n810 Jun 14 16:26:21 yeah Jun 14 16:26:45 they really just want a iphone as eee or something Jun 14 16:27:15 anyhow, i'd still prefer maemo Jun 14 16:27:44 or the n810 with an apple logo...betraying a lack of understanding of the open source community Jun 14 16:32:02 i have an apple sticker that came with an ipod Jun 14 16:33:22 i find apple fan boys usually use the term "snappy" to describe their experience Jun 14 16:34:03 my wife own an ipod touch Jun 14 16:34:26 tank-man: they should use the term "snazzy" instead ;P Jun 14 16:35:01 doesnt have the same ring to it Jun 14 16:35:57 zazz Jun 14 16:36:47 They do a decent job with ui, but I need functionality Jun 14 16:36:59 yeah Jun 14 16:37:06 i find the apple ui fluid and nice, but could never see myself sketching and doodling with my finger Jun 14 16:37:06 even Maemo could use a bit more functionality Jun 14 16:37:18 yep Jun 14 16:37:21 like, gestures, so that I don't have to tap menus or buttons as often Jun 14 16:38:50 the apple front end is just a few transitions and wipes, we could easily redesign the hildon menu to do similar (if we could get some nice fast graphics) Jun 14 16:39:03 we have the chip Jun 14 16:39:11 but no drivers Jun 14 16:39:16 yeah :( Jun 14 16:39:28 anyway, disregarding flash and "snappiness" Jun 14 16:39:33 we could still add usability Jun 14 16:42:25 A window manager that understands multiple windows and window resizing would be nice (and yes, I know KDE and ICEWM etc exist but I would like it in matchbox by default) Jun 14 16:42:46 well Jun 14 16:42:53 ion3? Jun 14 16:42:57 the potential is there Jun 14 16:42:58 nah, not shiny enough Jun 14 16:43:12 although it is fast and hackable too Jun 14 16:43:15 what is the current subject, sorry? Jun 14 16:43:22 RST38bis: maemo vs usability Jun 14 16:43:28 What the FUCK is Darius smoking. Jun 14 16:43:36 ah Jun 14 16:44:03 I love how he's COMPLETELY managed to destroy any useful discussion that thread might havd contained. Jun 14 16:44:09 GAN800, Dunno but sounds good, I'll ask him for some. Jun 14 16:44:17 which thread? Jun 14 16:44:24 maemo-developers Jun 14 16:44:34 It's unreal Jun 14 16:44:41 I don't go there, not nearly smart enough Jun 14 16:45:16 dick-richardson, developers is full of retards. Jun 14 16:45:28 Like Darius Jun 14 16:46:43 isn't maemo sufficiently usable though? Jun 14 16:46:43 for tablet operation, i mean Jun 14 16:47:04 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/37526 Jun 14 16:47:19 RST38bis: it can be more usable with little tweaking Jun 14 16:47:31 one horrible thing is matchbox handling of transients Jun 14 16:47:40 another fine addition would be "mouse" gestures Jun 14 16:48:21 One of my biggest annoyances with hildon desktop is the status bar icons limit. I know it can be modified but I don't know any programming languages to attempt that with (I saw the source file responible for the status bar and I was like wtf) Jun 14 16:48:23 yep Jun 14 16:48:47 hm, status bar icons will always be limited one way or another Jun 14 16:48:55 but on resizing etc we already have a sample of that Jun 14 16:49:12 I'd actually love to lose the "task switcher" on the bottom left Jun 14 16:49:18 and place there some more tray Jun 14 16:49:37 take openttd , it makes full use of multiple windowss just like desktop version Jun 14 16:49:38 or at least quick launchers Jun 14 16:49:54 and openttd ui totally sucks Jun 14 16:49:55 well, yeah, sometimes multiple windows are handy Jun 14 16:50:14 although usually, I'd prefer what Ion3 does Jun 14 16:50:27 Well, for hildon-desktop/matchbox-window-manager, we can actually do something, the question is, who's putting their hands up? ;P Jun 14 16:50:36 that scratchpad and workspace splitting Jun 14 16:50:53 it's hard to implement these in matchbox Jun 14 16:51:18 while it may also be hard to make ion3 not suck in other regards ;P Jun 14 16:51:46 who needs anti-aliasing on 225dpi screen anyway? ;P Jun 14 16:52:13 me Jun 14 16:52:19 what for? Jun 14 16:52:23 jagged lines are still noticeable Jun 14 16:52:31 blame freetype Jun 14 16:52:34 I'll say me because I want MOAR features Jun 14 16:52:43 yeah, then code Xft patch Jun 14 16:52:44 hola Jun 14 16:52:54 and kick tuomov in the arse with a nice new fork Jun 14 16:52:58 darn, my6 head hurts Jun 14 16:53:02 i hate heat waves Jun 14 16:53:12 KotCzarny: just don't die Jun 14 16:53:24 bah Jun 14 16:53:43 at least i got nwn working Jun 14 16:53:44 :) Jun 14 16:53:56 switching to 24bpp was a fix Jun 14 16:54:05 darius is real cool Jun 14 16:54:05 while they're at it Jun 14 16:54:16 hildon-im could send real X events Jun 14 16:54:19 and i'm getting crazy 10fps with ati 7000 Jun 14 16:54:21 :> Jun 14 16:54:30 hildon is an abomination Jun 14 16:54:48 KotCzarny, party! Jun 14 16:55:06 ~lart rapidshare with their fucking cats Jun 14 16:55:06 * infobot pours hot grits down the front of rapidshare with their fucking cats's pants Jun 14 16:56:04 KotCzarny: yeah, xvkb works better Jun 14 16:56:12 or does it? Jun 14 16:56:14 we just need a haxed variant that shows up correctly Jun 14 16:56:18 was it fixed? Jun 14 16:56:39 it's key faking method is broken Jun 14 16:56:59 to a point it breaks kb input state Jun 14 16:57:07 which is only cured with x restart Jun 14 16:57:13 so please, use xvkbd :) Jun 14 16:57:27 hm? Jun 14 16:57:30 yup Jun 14 16:57:45 xvkbd works here on my X Jun 14 16:57:51 I mean, on a stationary machine Jun 14 16:57:53 yes, and xkbd is another app Jun 14 16:58:08 I mean, the virtual keyboard. Jun 14 16:58:21 there are two apps: xkbd and xvkbd Jun 14 16:58:30 btw. you may want my hacked version Jun 14 16:58:45 with window hiding and right mouse button key Jun 14 16:59:12 (sadistically) it is +16..+22 oC here today Jun 14 16:59:13 :> Jun 14 16:59:19 KotCzarny: hmm :-) Jun 14 16:59:28 I want hildon-im to die Jun 14 16:59:37 32.3C Jun 14 16:59:40 in the shade Jun 14 16:59:43 maybe except the epitext Jun 14 16:59:44 im sure hildon is very happy for all the love we give him Jun 14 16:59:47 or what it's called Jun 14 17:00:00 that thing actually sometimes work Jun 14 17:00:30 hi lcuk Jun 14 17:00:40 morning :) Jun 14 17:00:49 lardman, Darius has really hit it out of the ball park, hasn't he? Jun 14 17:00:52 * lcuk introduces KotCzarny to coco pops Jun 14 17:01:00 erm.. Jun 14 17:01:10 its out of the continent Jun 14 17:01:15 i feel like i had been drinking heavily yesterday Jun 14 17:01:18 well, we could use a rewrite of handwrite recognition proggy Jun 14 17:01:24 i get hangovers without drinking Jun 14 17:01:25 I'm leaving that for my master's thesis ;P Jun 14 17:01:34 entered orbit around uranus and is now degrading peacefully Jun 14 17:01:37 so please don't steal Jun 14 17:01:39 and don't get hangovers with drinking Jun 14 17:01:51 lcuk: roasted cereal? Jun 14 17:02:02 chocolate covered goodness Jun 14 17:02:46 * qwerty12 had cocopops for breakfast this morning, I ADMIT IT! Jun 14 17:03:08 chocolate covered fatness? Jun 14 17:03:20 it is the stuff used to fatten pigs Jun 14 17:04:09 gan: the key is to avoid concentrating on his antics Jun 14 17:04:28 RST38bis: you mean, like, not reading what he writes? Jun 14 17:04:32 i could use some fattening Jun 14 17:04:47 mmmm bacon from chocolate fed pigs with melted chocolate goodness drizzled ontop Jun 14 17:04:59 * lcuk can feel his arteries hardening at the thought Jun 14 17:04:59 lcuk: you're jewish or what? Jun 14 17:05:13 RST38bis, the problem is, he's completely destroyed any usefulness that thread could have had. It's a rather important one, too. Jun 14 17:05:30 whats my religion (or lack thereof) got to do with my diet? Jun 14 17:05:47 GAN800, Tell him to fuck off and just blank him Jun 14 17:05:50 religions sometimes have a word on diet too Jun 14 17:06:11 ah no Jun 14 17:06:16 True, like I don't eat stuff from a pig Jun 14 17:06:19 bacon is not kosher Jun 14 17:06:20 gan: darius is an adolescceent self-important clown and should be treated as such Jun 14 17:07:56 gan: try applying to him the approach practiced russian lj Jun 14 17:08:56 gan: whatever "clever" thing he says. answer "where are you from, kitten? do you suck?" Jun 14 17:08:59 russian lj sounds like a tough place Jun 14 17:09:35 RST38bis, is Suka bitch in Russian? Jun 14 17:09:55 it's in polish too Jun 14 17:09:57 :) Jun 14 17:10:14 ;P Jun 14 17:10:23 yes, it is, maybe Jun 14 17:10:27 Heh, I've got Russian friend who keeps calling it me >.< :P Jun 14 17:12:58 he must like you Jun 14 17:12:59 :P Jun 14 17:13:18 Nah, if anything, he's my bitch :p Jun 14 17:13:25 liqbase is known in russia :D Jun 14 17:13:30 (joke, he'd probably kill me if he saw that :P) Jun 14 17:13:34 i had to translate a page to find it Jun 14 17:13:37 :) Jun 14 17:13:44 lcuk, i guess english is enough :> Jun 14 17:14:01 I know 3 words of Russian, w00t Jun 14 17:14:12 i know more Jun 14 17:14:35 But you know Polish, I can't even speak my mother toungue anymore. Jun 14 17:14:57 i know how you feel qwerty, i cant speak martian any more Jun 14 17:15:01 in fact english is closer to russian than polish Jun 14 17:15:45 lcuk, I can translate a bit if you want? Jun 14 17:15:59 its ok, google did a decent job for me Jun 14 17:16:03 :> Jun 14 17:16:07 poor gprs... Jun 14 17:16:08 mmmm tea ready, back later Jun 14 17:16:16 yeah, google translators is quite decent Jun 14 17:16:23 *are Jun 14 17:27:55 Hey, has anyone managed to get the Liferea port for OS2008 to install? Jun 14 17:41:11 very bad accidents compilation: www.joemonster.org/filmy/6741/7-minut-najwiekszych-wypadkow Jun 14 17:42:16 if it's video i can't watch it over gprs ;] Jun 14 17:42:36 yes it is Jun 14 17:42:37 :) Jun 14 17:43:06 quit painfull :) Jun 14 17:45:08 god, send us 3g! (and punish nokia for omitting edge from european e70) Jun 14 17:58:07 hi all Jun 14 17:58:12 Is anyone else bothered by the fact that nokia seems to be banking on a technology(wi max) that isn't proliferating very well? Jun 14 17:58:30 hi realive Jun 14 17:58:35 It isn't? Jun 14 17:58:42 doesn't seem to be Jun 14 17:58:53 * cactaur feels less guilty now. Jun 14 17:58:58 summa, it's being pushed by intel Jun 14 17:59:02 granted, I haven't been paying attention, but still Jun 14 17:59:06 so they feel quite safe i guess Jun 14 17:59:07 :) Jun 14 17:59:15 how I can disable matchbox skin? jast for maemo look like native X Jun 14 17:59:30 sorry for my english ;) Jun 14 17:59:50 intel's business is computers, generally, that's a different application than a nationwide network Jun 14 18:00:05 they are a big corp Jun 14 18:00:11 I could see business's using wimax for one access point instead of 50 Jun 14 18:00:26 snatching a wordlwide network standard is a nice catch Jun 14 18:00:41 if anything happens with it Jun 14 18:01:08 anybody interested to running Opera under OS2008? Jun 14 18:01:08 time will tell Jun 14 18:01:15 same could be said for 770 Jun 14 18:01:54 I agree, time will tell, I'm just worried they're going to start banking on wi-max, and wi-max never takes off, you know? Jun 14 18:02:14 so what? i have n800 Jun 14 18:02:14 :) Jun 14 18:02:27 and no stocks in nokia corp Jun 14 18:02:27 well sure, now you do Jun 14 18:02:43 what if n900 has 3 SD slots, and 2GB internal? Jun 14 18:03:04 and a price tag of 799$ ? Jun 14 18:03:21 I don't know, it's all hypothetical Jun 14 18:03:35 wi-max just doesn't seem to be on people's minds anymore Jun 14 18:03:39 Hey guys anyone ever set up php server on N810, I'm having trouble every looks like its running right but when I go to the php page it trys to download the file Jun 14 18:05:43 or yet Jun 14 18:09:48 Andrewfblack: that sounds like generic Apache conf Jun 14 18:10:11 Hi ! Jun 14 18:10:36 What is this war on dev mailing list about a maemo council ? Jun 14 18:10:48 summa: if wimax dies, nokia does not lose much Jun 14 18:11:01 maemo-gossip ? Jun 14 18:11:18 just one product and not very original one Jun 14 18:11:32 maemo-oss-leadership-problematic ? Jun 14 18:11:43 khertan: darius is a troll Jun 14 18:12:06 :) Jun 14 18:12:36 using I'm using NGINX as my web server not apache Jun 14 18:12:52 whats NGINX ? Jun 14 18:12:53 i ask because i ven t follow this 'maemo council' story Jun 14 18:13:19 I know you have to set up apache to use php but I heard nginx was set up for php already Jun 14 18:13:43 and some of his opponents are too polite to ttell him to fuck off right away Jun 14 18:13:53 hmmm yes, I am looking up NGINX .. knee jerk typing Jun 14 18:14:17 rst: it's probably because people are not sure if he really is that stupid Jun 14 18:14:18 :) Jun 14 18:14:23 nginx is a web server Jun 14 18:14:31 I dunno.. I just put httpd on.. I dont care for apache, but I care less for twisty compatability mazes :=/ Jun 14 18:14:39 kot: he is. Jun 14 18:14:52 have you met him? Jun 14 18:14:53 so ... Jun 14 18:15:26 for me i just dev :) i let other people discuss about political :) Jun 14 18:15:28 kot: thus, the usual "where are you from? do you suck?" routine should be applied Jun 14 18:15:55 rst, you are welcome to be a bouncer then :) Jun 14 18:16:28 i ve just uploaded a new mCalendar release Jun 14 18:16:44 it fix reccurent event sync problem Jun 14 18:16:53 0.2.0 Jun 14 18:17:00 'fixes' Jun 14 18:17:01 :) Jun 14 18:17:28 kot: i do not have a habit to meet morons for confirmation Jun 14 18:17:30 fixes reccurents events sync problemS Jun 14 18:17:34 :) Jun 14 18:17:39 there was many ;) Jun 14 18:17:44 'were' Jun 14 18:17:45 :) Jun 14 18:18:13 recurrent Jun 14 18:18:36 oups ... i should go back to school Jun 14 18:18:38 :) Jun 14 18:18:41 :) Jun 14 18:19:02 * KotCzarny learned english all by himself Jun 14 18:19:27 it s well know that french speak a poor english Jun 14 18:19:41 'known' Jun 14 18:19:54 wait until you meet a chinese... Jun 14 18:19:57 i hate all this multiple languages confusion Jun 14 18:20:03 kot > i ll do that too :) Jun 14 18:20:15 I think they say, english speakers speak poor french! Jun 14 18:20:19 and people insisting on translating software to obscure languages Jun 14 18:20:50 yeah i think everyone should speak french :) Jun 14 18:20:55 multiple languages are hard.. however, we need them and also, want them Jun 14 18:20:58 I thnk Jun 14 18:21:11 * RST38bis also feels more comfortable with english uis Jun 14 18:21:13 I did some internationalization.. Japanese Jun 14 18:21:31 hum ... having only one couldn t be a bad thing too Jun 14 18:21:40 the days of thinking that eveyone would change to english are over I think Jun 14 18:21:54 at least you wouldn't have to watch at obscure guis when going overseas Jun 14 18:22:00 Spanish, Mandarin and Hindi, at least Jun 14 18:22:04 and wondering how to order a cup of coffee Jun 14 18:22:05 :) Jun 14 18:22:06 nobody is changing to english Jun 14 18:22:15 i think too , and this is normal, it s the more used Jun 14 18:22:36 having help in native language is fine Jun 14 18:22:38 15 years ago people seriously wpoke of the international law/science/business/academic language being english Jun 14 18:22:39 problem is that english has many variations too Jun 14 18:22:48 rst: help, yes, but not ui Jun 14 18:23:23 but why translate frigging menus? Jun 14 18:23:24 dark: and it is. Jun 14 18:23:42 RST38bis: help implies that the OS and GUI APIs support the character sets Jun 14 18:23:58 .. and perhaps sorting, and puncutation, and such Jun 14 18:24:03 there is quickly a lot to it Jun 14 18:24:18 dark: they all support unicode now Jun 14 18:24:19 I am a user of Unicode.. I like Unicode Jun 14 18:24:27 i like unicode Jun 14 18:24:35 this is all fine Jun 14 18:24:37 someone here use mCalendar ? Jun 14 18:24:42 yes.. I am old enough to remeber well before Unicode Jun 14 18:24:44 better than multiple charsets mess Jun 14 18:24:59 but, again, why translate all the menus, buttons, etc? Jun 14 18:25:02 and multiple platforms mess Jun 14 18:25:05 I dont think people expected UTF-8 to be dominant Jun 14 18:25:24 Khertan, was a deb released? Jun 14 18:25:32 khertan: sorry but i really keep mine in my head... Jun 14 18:25:34 I didn't see anything when I saw it on the garage Jun 14 18:25:47 ? Jun 14 18:26:00 yes there is a deb release :) Jun 14 18:26:06 Where? Jun 14 18:26:07 dark: i did, dunno about people Jun 14 18:26:17 in the extras-devel repository Jun 14 18:26:21 oh Jun 14 18:26:38 It has a garage page and no info on it Jun 14 18:26:40 no deb either Jun 14 18:26:50 it is compatible with ascii hence is its dominance. Jun 14 18:27:21 14:27:17 up 95 days, 13:10, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Jun 14 18:27:28 navi> garage page have a link to the web page Jun 14 18:27:31 not a bad uptime for a wrt54g without ups Jun 14 18:27:31 :) Jun 14 18:27:45 Khertan, :P Jun 14 18:27:50 heh Jun 14 18:27:52 could be 2 months more if i didn't pull the wrong cable Jun 14 18:28:04 Khertan, http://mcalendar.garage.maemo.org/ needs to redirect Jun 14 18:28:43 navi> i m tired to upload to all diferent web site Jun 14 18:28:46 flooding and evacuations in iowa, power failure in dc... Jun 14 18:28:54 it should but i don t know how to upload page to garage Jun 14 18:29:07 :/ Jun 14 18:29:25 kot: your router wouldn't survive it in dc =) Jun 14 18:29:39 I have an associate in Iowa right now.. right where the flooding is Jun 14 18:29:41 its bad Jun 14 18:29:44 it haven't yet a page in download section of maemo as it s still an alpha release Jun 14 18:29:49 dc? Jun 14 18:29:55 well Jun 14 18:30:15 be backl later Jun 14 18:30:19 they say manhattan will go down sometime in the future Jun 14 18:30:20 :) Jun 14 18:30:22 Full screen button doesn't full screen it yet? Jun 14 18:31:01 Khertan, anyways, it doesn't scale very well when you bring up the keyboard Jun 14 18:31:33 no not yet Jun 14 18:31:37 Khertan, does syncing work? Jun 14 18:32:16 kot: only after kim jong il nukes tokyo making e ery otaku's dream come true! Jun 14 18:32:19 Ah, just tried it. Captcha Required error Jun 14 18:32:24 :) Jun 14 18:32:32 the bottom vbox containing button do autosize Jun 14 18:32:41 and yes not a great idea Jun 14 18:32:48 yes Jun 14 18:33:04 ah captcha error ? Jun 14 18:33:08 Yes Jun 14 18:33:19 it s a google protection Jun 14 18:33:29 do u have set the prefs ? Jun 14 18:33:35 Anyone know how to install with a .install file? Jun 14 18:33:46 open it with the app manager, I think Jun 14 18:33:46 well Jun 14 18:33:51 you click on it Jun 14 18:33:52 :) Jun 14 18:34:06 I opened the Nibbles .install file. And all I got were about seven lines of text. Jun 14 18:34:14 Khertan, do you have a bug tracker and revision repo for this? Jun 14 18:34:32 yes Jun 14 18:34:38 on khertan.net Jun 14 18:34:54 you ll be the first to try the new bugtracker Jun 14 18:35:02 woo Jun 14 18:36:15 what is your first impression about mcalendar in a few word ? Jun 14 18:36:33 s/a/ Jun 14 18:37:22 You sure you want to hear it? You might not like it Jun 14 18:38:03 yes i can always fix things :) Jun 14 18:38:22 Too simple and more like a to-do than a Calendar Jun 14 18:38:51 i think you doesn't like it because there is no view like ical :) Jun 14 18:39:15 I've never used iCal Jun 14 18:40:04 Just saw the screenshot Jun 14 18:40:09 Yeah, that's exactly why. Jun 14 18:40:10 too simple < this what i want ... but a bit too much :) Jun 14 18:40:31 https://www.google.com/accounts/DisplayUnlockCaptcha Jun 14 18:40:37 for captcha Jun 14 18:40:51 When I look at a calendar, I want to be able to quickly see if I have a time slot available Jun 14 18:41:10 so.. I have a 2nd N800 coming over today.. after I flash the OS2008 on it... how could I duplicate my setup on the second unit? Jun 14 18:42:34 Khertan, also, the calendar shows start time but lacks an end time Jun 14 18:42:38 hum ... something indicating if there is free time should be a great idea Jun 14 18:42:55 there is an end in the day view Jun 14 18:43:06 there is a backup restore utility.. any experience with it? Jun 14 18:43:45 i think that seeing end is not usefull when your are looking event for week or month Jun 14 18:43:55 but maybe i'm wrong Jun 14 18:44:03 It's very useful day-by-day though Jun 14 18:44:05 I would love to have an calendar which can do sync with google calendar in easy way Jun 14 18:44:33 anyway the next release will make this customable Jun 14 18:44:44 Khertan, scheduling conflicts are a nightmare. You want to be sure that the time blocks don't overlap before you agree to an event Jun 14 18:44:48 and before you enter it in Jun 14 18:45:23 oilinki > it s the purpose of mCalendar Jun 14 18:45:45 navi > why so heavy button ? to be use without stylus Jun 14 18:45:58 What? Jun 14 18:46:08 Khertan: therefore I hope you'll keep on making it better. I did not try it yet, but based of the feedback on the channel. Jun 14 18:46:40 oilinki, this is one man's opinion. Jun 14 18:46:41 do you know if there will be an calendar application on the next os version? Jun 14 18:47:10 navi > sorry i don t understand what u said about scheduling conflict Jun 14 18:47:28 Khertan, I was just stating why ending times are important. Jun 14 18:47:41 ah ok Jun 14 18:47:48 i understand Jun 14 18:48:27 maybe something warning user that there is already an event when you validate a new one in the same date Jun 14 18:48:35 nah Jun 14 18:49:02 If you're already entering it in, then it's just been a hassle Jun 14 18:49:18 ? Jun 14 18:49:51 you r right Jun 14 18:50:22 a view with free time should be better Jun 14 18:50:27 Oh, the password box needs set_visibility(gtk.FALSE) Jun 14 18:50:33 That would be nice, actually Jun 14 18:50:53 :) Jun 14 18:52:10 Not because I care about my password being hidden, but it's still a security problem Jun 14 18:54:03 Khertan, the email/password thing still comes up with the catchpa error box even if it's actually because of the wrong username/password Jun 14 18:56:21 man :\ Jun 14 18:57:50 Re Jun 14 18:57:52 Woo Jun 14 18:58:10 you are saying that you get captcha error still after validating it on google ? Jun 14 18:58:25 No Jun 14 18:58:34 so i ven't understood :) Jun 14 18:58:40 I'm saying if I have the wrong username/password, I'll get the captcha error Jun 14 18:59:12 hum ... no ... Jun 14 18:59:30 if you set a wrong password gdata answer wrong password Jun 14 18:59:49 but if u use a locked login. Google verify captcha before Jun 14 18:59:58 and connection error is captcha error :) Jun 14 19:00:01 hmm Jun 14 19:00:15 the error message is the one given by google Jun 14 19:00:32 Oh, I get this error when syncin Jun 14 19:00:46 coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found Jun 14 19:00:52 ? Jun 14 19:00:56 outch ! Jun 14 19:01:00 never get this one Jun 14 19:01:27 can u can sync again but with launching mcalendar from xterm ? Jun 14 19:01:38 I already did Jun 14 19:01:54 what say the stdout ? Jun 14 19:03:44 Well Jun 14 19:04:43 Now I'm getting a 404 error Jun 14 19:04:53 at least, it looks that way Jun 14 19:05:27 ok ... Jun 14 19:05:36 is it a reccurent event ? Jun 14 19:05:41 No Jun 14 19:05:54 I just deleted an event that's on both calendars and resync'd Jun 14 19:06:42 let me pastebin Jun 14 19:07:47 do you have deleted it both on mcalendar and google ? Jun 14 19:07:57 no Jun 14 19:08:02 I just deleted it locally Jun 14 19:10:00 Oh, but it was deleted on GCal when I synced Jun 14 19:10:06 hum ... do u have more than one calendar ? Jun 14 19:10:09 nope Jun 14 19:10:23 http://pastebin.ca/1048008 Jun 14 19:11:53 khertan, you should use the thicker scroll bars Jun 14 19:12:39 khertan, even though that error came up, it sync'd the calendars Jun 14 19:27:05 sorry ... Jun 14 19:27:13 my wife called me Jun 14 19:27:50 Navi: if u know how to use thicker scroll bars in python ... i looking for it Jun 14 19:28:15 raahhhh !!! stupid livebox! and stupid orange dns ! Jun 14 19:28:29 then use opendns Jun 14 19:28:58 yes ... but the new firmware switch all dns request to their own dns Jun 14 19:29:15 heh.. Jun 14 19:29:46 is that in the contract? Jun 14 19:30:01 no Jun 14 19:30:09 64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=124 ttl=239 time=467.2 ms Jun 14 19:30:43 64 bytes from 216.239.59.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=238 time=100 ms Jun 14 19:30:46 Any way to get ls colors to work? "man ls" fails, and I don't see a man page for it on the web either. Is ls part of busybox? Jun 14 19:32:20 Cannot access the calendar you requested ... hum ... strange Jun 14 19:35:34 okay, I see that 'ls' is part of busybox, and the busybox man page claims --color=auto is supported, but os2008 doesn't take it Jun 14 19:41:51 unixSnob: OS2008 uses old busybox Jun 14 19:41:57 with disabled advanced options Jun 14 19:42:02 old and crippled Jun 14 19:43:01 i all Jun 14 19:43:27 yes florian, you are all Jun 14 19:44:39 KotCzarny, you mentioned earlier it was like you were drunk yesterday Jun 14 19:44:44 (i think) Jun 14 19:44:47 :) Jun 14 19:44:56 yeah, headache Jun 14 19:44:59 heat induced Jun 14 19:45:11 flo_lap: it's spelled "eye ball" Jun 14 19:45:16 booo, well ive managed to add a whole new module and not really know whats in it Jun 14 19:45:55 lcuk: rootkit included? ;P Jun 14 19:46:21 :) Jun 14 19:46:52 it would be a very bleary rootkit if so, no i think i was playing with multi touch Jun 14 19:47:12 lcuk: hmm, n8x0 supports multitouch after all? I didn't think so. Jun 14 19:47:31 simulated pinch type motion, not full chording Jun 14 19:47:36 ahh Jun 14 19:47:38 fake Jun 14 19:47:55 just get us generic gesture support Jun 14 19:48:33 what good would generic support do in applications where mouse input has already been used to create objects and modify data? Jun 14 19:48:46 launching key shortcuts Jun 14 19:48:48 astorm: fake multitouch is as good as real one Jun 14 19:48:56 do you waste responsiveness and real time interaction because you are waiting to see if the user did a squiggle? Jun 14 19:48:56 KotCzarny: close, but no cookie Jun 14 19:49:04 lcuk: naaah Jun 14 19:49:13 need e.g. tripletap to engage Jun 14 19:49:42 is there any way, including physical replacement, to improve the quality of the n800 cam? Jun 14 19:49:47 therefore, generic gesturing should be restricted to specific places and those specific places know what to do with it, hence "generic" gestures arent practical.. ;) Jun 14 19:49:49 WorkingOnWise: nope Jun 14 19:49:55 you'd have to replace the chip too Jun 14 19:50:03 ack! Jun 14 19:50:20 the chip isnt part of the cam unit? the ccd? Jun 14 19:50:22 WorkingOnWise, tether a mobile phone cam and use that instead Jun 14 19:50:23 lcuk: e.g. maemo-browser next, previous, open bookmarks (fullscreen) Jun 14 19:50:30 stop Jun 14 19:50:33 and such like Jun 14 19:50:34 then put the code into maemo-browser Jun 14 19:50:48 and then double it in maemopad Jun 14 19:50:52 dont rock the boat by making something generic thats not required Jun 14 19:50:58 and also add to fbreader Jun 14 19:51:01 and others Jun 14 19:51:02 sure: write a library Jun 14 19:51:10 yes Jun 14 19:51:15 and port *all* apps to it Jun 14 19:51:22 I'd like it on my desktop to Jun 14 19:51:23 *too Jun 14 19:51:44 well now that flashcam works and I can use the cam in the browser, I will see about a new cam for it....maybe hack in a really small usb cam somehow... Jun 14 19:51:50 already available for desktops (at least in windows) Jun 14 19:51:58 lcuk: generic? Jun 14 19:52:03 then I want it for Linux too Jun 14 19:52:36 yes, it works on pc too Jun 14 19:52:37 ;) Jun 14 19:52:59 gimme Jun 14 19:53:02 links appreciated Jun 14 19:53:07 ask lcuk Jun 14 19:53:09 its ancient Jun 14 19:53:09 :) Jun 14 19:53:16 lcuk: ancient doesn't bother me Jun 14 19:53:20 I can refresh it Jun 14 19:53:24 if it's good enough Jun 14 19:53:41 the one i used was called strokeit Jun 14 19:53:43 ummm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_gesture Jun 14 19:53:51 list of apps for various oses Jun 14 19:54:00 stroket rocks! Jun 14 19:54:02 maemo port anyone? ;P Jun 14 19:55:02 I used strokeit as my HWRapp on 4 older windows based tablets I had. worked better that the palms HWR because I could write anywher on the screen I wanted Jun 14 19:55:20 * lcuk wants computer to recognise international "no way you stupid hunk of silicon lost my work" gesture ( .|.. ) Jun 14 19:55:38 lcuk: I'd tie it to "restore backup" function Jun 14 19:55:39 ;P Jun 14 19:55:45 lcuk: just catch the 'angry taps' Jun 14 19:55:49 lol...strokeit would let you make a gesture for that if u really needed one! Jun 14 19:55:49 no Jun 14 19:55:54 a punch on the screen Jun 14 19:55:59 lol Jun 14 19:56:24 would be better with a gravimetric sensor Jun 14 19:56:29 Mouse.Pressure == "OMG Mike Tyson, you can have my lunch" Jun 14 19:56:31 a slight headslap ;) Jun 14 19:58:35 looks like development on it stopped in 2005. Maybe theyd turl it into a GPL license.... Jun 14 19:58:44 or turn Jun 14 19:58:50 wayV? Jun 14 19:58:57 strokeit Jun 14 20:00:11 well, all the projects are old Jun 14 20:00:12 hands down the best pen enabled app I have ever used. It wasnt ever ment to be HWR, but it worked better as a HWR app that anything M$, CIC, PenDragon or Palm ever came up with. Jun 14 20:00:16 and I'm bad at X11 Jun 14 20:00:53 khertan, hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar() doesn't work? Jun 14 20:00:55 * lcuk has an enormous sample of his handwriting now and requires just a port of the recognition/island code from vb to make use of it Jun 14 20:01:04 right now, I'm using the Garnet VM for HWR on my N800 Jun 14 20:01:13 lcuk: no can do Jun 14 20:01:20 port from VB? Jun 14 20:01:23 ouch Jun 14 20:01:26 I'll be writing handwriting recognition system soon enough Jun 14 20:01:45 but unless you provide me with a description of the format, you won't get it ;P Jun 14 20:02:08 WorkingOnWise :) people are starting to see what i can do in a resource confined nokia device... similar situation in vb. its not the tools its how you use them :) Jun 14 20:02:18 AStorm: you should take a good look at strokeit. I'll see if I can get the cource from them. Its written in c++ Jun 14 20:02:27 no, I don't need to Jun 14 20:02:35 I've looked at it a few times already. Jun 14 20:02:44 oh, ok then... Jun 14 20:02:48 Just need to catch up on X event generation. Jun 14 20:02:55 and add better AI ;P Jun 14 20:03:32 strokit was great, even on win2000 on a P233 with 128MB Jun 14 20:03:36 of ram. Jun 14 20:03:41 it's bad Jun 14 20:03:49 it mistakes similar letters ;P Jun 14 20:04:07 whats bad? strokeit? Jun 14 20:04:14 yes, strokeit Jun 14 20:04:20 needs *a lot* of training Jun 14 20:04:33 strokeit worked well for gestures. it was a bit poor at full hwr though Jun 14 20:04:48 afterall, it was written for gestures.. Jun 14 20:04:49 exactly Jun 14 20:04:58 I want hwr Jun 14 20:04:58 cellwriter is better for hwr Jun 14 20:05:15 though, it uses those cells Jun 14 20:05:16 yeah, but the training can be done once, and all the trained gastures become portable. I trained 2 times, copied to 4 machines over 7 years, and untold reinstalls Jun 14 20:05:39 ackkk...cellwriter..ack Jun 14 20:05:49 urfase Jun 14 20:05:56 anything that locks me to cells...ack...ack Jun 14 20:06:16 I'll try vector+bitmap based fuzzy recognition plus some KNN Jun 14 20:06:19 ahem...working, unless you know something the rest of us dont, arent you made from cells? Jun 14 20:06:21 should work well enough Jun 14 20:06:27 lcuk, hah Jun 14 20:06:29 lol Jun 14 20:06:42 why bitmap? Jun 14 20:06:57 lcuk: because sometimes vector recognition is not good enough Jun 14 20:07:01 cells as in little boxes that if i write outside of the hwr engine sputters out Jun 14 20:07:02 leave that to the ocr gods? Jun 14 20:07:10 no no Jun 14 20:07:15 if you have the vectors then there is nothing better Jun 14 20:07:21 it's meant to supplement vectors Jun 14 20:07:34 in case a vector matches good but not enough Jun 14 20:07:50 I'll run knn on bitmaps in that case Jun 14 20:07:56 on plausible bitmaps Jun 14 20:08:12 hopefully it will be fast enough Jun 14 20:08:51 google ocr Jun 14 20:08:52 :) Jun 14 20:08:58 KotCzarny: so? Jun 14 20:09:08 handwriting ocr needs more AI Jun 14 20:09:12 yup Jun 14 20:09:13 thus KNN Jun 14 20:09:30 dictionary supplements ocr Jun 14 20:09:35 be it vector or bitmap Jun 14 20:09:45 *maybe* I'll try neural, though it probably won't be efficient enough Jun 14 20:10:01 KotCzarny: definitely Jun 14 20:10:21 but dictionary should be second to detection Jun 14 20:10:39 not the other way around, or we'll get Newton again ;P Jun 14 20:10:41 forgive this uber-n00bish quesion, but why can so many other platforms (win, wince, palm, psion) on such a wide range of hardware, for so many years, get a workable, and sometimes a great, HWR system up, but *nix has been floundering and struggling with it for at least 7 years that I know of? Jun 14 20:10:58 s/workable/okayish/ Jun 14 20:11:07 WorkingOnWise: because no one paid us to do one Jun 14 20:11:54 because its a piece of software thats difficult in programming terms to get "user ready" and noone has been willing to do this for free yet. there are many attempts which work for specific cercumstances, but the only people willing to develop for it fully are on somebodies payroll Jun 14 20:11:57 and no one had touchscreen on his/her pc Jun 14 20:12:14 yeah, no touchscreens Jun 14 20:12:20 that's the major problem Jun 14 20:12:24 but I have a few Jun 14 20:12:39 and I could get a grant to do that, so... Jun 14 20:12:43 I'll do it Jun 14 20:13:04 you can get a grant to write an HWR system? Jun 14 20:13:14 WorkingOnWise: research work Jun 14 20:13:20 nice. Jun 14 20:13:29 love that word! Jun 14 20:13:38 research work does not normally end up with a user application Jun 14 20:13:42 lately nobody wants to do any AI here, which is bad Jun 14 20:13:45 sometimes it does Jun 14 20:13:49 lcuk: usually, but I'm going to use it myself Jun 14 20:13:52 so it will Jun 14 20:13:55 makes everything fundable! Jun 14 20:14:02 O.o Jun 14 20:14:05 thunderstorm Jun 14 20:14:21 what KotCzarny, you say AStorm is coming? Jun 14 20:14:21 KotCzarny: now, that's symbolic... AstralStorm, not thunderstorm Jun 14 20:14:23 ;P Jun 14 20:14:27 its great when grant projects make it into the wild, IMHO Jun 14 20:14:37 lol Jun 14 20:14:55 bad lcuk....but funny :) Jun 14 20:15:09 i wonder if it b0rks my comps Jun 14 20:15:14 ok, so I'll better contact our team which is mostly disbanded now Jun 14 20:15:15 WorkingOnWise, yes, i remember when the great influenza outbreak of 1983 escaped from the lab. how we laughed :| Jun 14 20:15:30 people have been hired by "evil corporations" Jun 14 20:15:54 i would actually like to work at microsoft research :) Jun 14 20:16:02 well, not M$ Jun 14 20:16:15 but yeah, M$ research is the only fun branch of that corp Jun 14 20:16:25 lcuk, prepare for massive booing Jun 14 20:16:27 why not, they have a lot of mojo at the moment, photosynth and the table thing :) Jun 14 20:16:41 surface ftw Jun 14 20:16:41 it's not theirs Jun 14 20:16:46 it is theirs Jun 14 20:16:51 they usually acquire tech Jun 14 20:16:54 and ideas Jun 14 20:16:54 no Jun 14 20:16:58 not really Jun 14 20:17:04 at least, not M$ Research Jun 14 20:17:14 yup Jun 14 20:17:14 thats the same with every company - google have "aquired" the minds of people who have good ideas Jun 14 20:17:27 yeah, that's "research" for you ;P Jun 14 20:17:45 but m$ tends to slap 'new' and 'original' badges Jun 14 20:17:49 Valve "aquired" the portal technology Jun 14 20:17:56 and pretend they discovered wheel again Jun 14 20:18:04 kurde Jun 14 20:18:11 well, surface is nice, but it's a sci-fi movie ripoff Jun 14 20:18:21 name one thing that isnt? Jun 14 20:18:41 laptops Jun 14 20:18:44 do i say valve is ok? Jun 14 20:18:52 or other companies that do it? Jun 14 20:18:58 nope Jun 14 20:19:01 i nie klnij ;P Jun 14 20:19:11 nie klne, to lajtowo bylo ;P Jun 14 20:19:24 something got hit in my area Jun 14 20:19:31 whee Jun 14 20:19:32 painful Jun 14 20:19:38 hope something expensive Jun 14 20:19:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hildon_desktop_scaled_karoliina_416.jpg Jun 14 20:19:44 luckily nothing burned in my pcs Jun 14 20:19:45 :) Jun 14 20:19:49 How can I get that menu, with small icons? Jun 14 20:19:58 I could also try working at a new WM Jun 14 20:20:05 Ion3 done right, w/o crazy Jun 14 20:20:17 Dekaritae, flash back to os2007 Jun 14 20:20:21 but, as I said, I currently suck at X11 Jun 14 20:20:23 Aww Jun 14 20:20:48 need more X11 docs Jun 14 20:20:54 esp. on how to write a window manager ;P Jun 14 20:21:00 how to synthesize events Jun 14 20:21:05 grab mouse etc. Jun 14 20:21:09 wellm Jun 14 20:21:09 any good books? Jun 14 20:21:09 Dekaritae, thats running on a full laptop isnt it - ie higher resolution anyway? Jun 14 20:21:29 Yes Jun 14 20:21:29 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/02/09/beyond-800x480/ Jun 14 20:21:42 AStorm: have you seen this? www.inf.ufsc.br/~deters/xgestures Jun 14 20:21:51 this one, yes Jun 14 20:21:57 but it's mostly dumb Jun 14 20:22:19 astorm: find the app that does similiar things as yours and rip the code Jun 14 20:22:20 :) Jun 14 20:22:26 it might be dumb, but wont that have the interaction with x that you could use to plug your skynet into? Jun 14 20:22:45 KotCzarny: like, PyWM? it's, hmm, so-so Jun 14 20:23:00 :) Jun 14 20:23:04 lcuk: skynet? now, that's lol Jun 14 20:23:09 but then, it doesn't Jun 14 20:23:14 it is vector-only Jun 14 20:23:24 although, I can learn some X11 from it Jun 14 20:23:37 we need some object X11 wrappers Jun 14 20:23:52 you sure, you want more AI and recognition. you know it will spread around the world waiting for someone to scribe "john connor" into it Jun 14 20:24:03 lol Jun 14 20:24:13 no, it's not thinking Jun 14 20:24:21 it's only recognizing Jun 14 20:24:38 you say that now Jun 14 20:25:02 no, I'm not *that* good... unless I think up some breakthrough Jun 14 20:25:03 your mechanical handwriting turk willbe the eyes Jun 14 20:25:10 nope Jun 14 20:27:30 ok, so any nice book about low-level X11? Jun 14 20:27:53 alternatively, some nice OO wrapper, C++ or Python preferred Jun 14 20:29:05 Do I hear crickets? Jun 14 20:29:35 * lcuk actually gets the impression AStorm's x11 driver will end up looking like a wallace and gromit machine :P Jun 14 20:29:44 hm? Jun 14 20:29:55 if you started now at least Jun 14 20:30:01 :> Jun 14 20:30:02 yum, wensleydale Jun 14 20:30:02 I am Jun 14 20:30:34 not x11 *driver* Jun 14 20:30:37 Window Manager Jun 14 20:30:45 that's different category Jun 14 20:30:57 a whole window manager just to inject a few events? Jun 14 20:31:16 no Jun 14 20:31:29 the WM is a kind of a dream Jun 14 20:31:38 :) as it is for a lot of us Jun 14 20:31:58 some people seem to be using python to maake apps.. what level do you want to work on? Jun 14 20:32:19 AStorm: did you say that you want to make your own hardware? Jun 14 20:32:34 darkblue_B: no Jun 14 20:34:52 how who hears crickets! Jun 14 20:35:04 anyway.. I am on Day 4 with my N800 Jun 14 20:35:27 I am a coder.. I do GUIs .. I donth think I am going to take the plungs ane make custom apps for Maemo Jun 14 20:35:43 but I do like it.. and I want to test some of my generic things and make sure they run Jun 14 20:35:48 python.. and web based Jun 14 20:36:31 I notice that the media player.. used a reasonable amount of Python and the Enlightenment Foundation Classes and got something interesting Jun 14 20:36:49 Flash runs of course.. you can do quite a bit in Flash.. but its just not my background Jun 14 20:37:04 I like Flash, too.. I like Adobe products Jun 14 20:37:15 I just havent bult things that way. Jun 14 20:38:17 My associate is coming over just now.. and we are going to flash his N800 with the current OS2008.. and I'll have ahand at using the backup/restore to copy what I've built so dfar onto his (identical) machine Jun 14 20:39:09 I cant imagine that going down to a low-level X11 is the rightapproach to take except for some very specialized needs Jun 14 20:39:25 the thing is a little slow.. but for what you get.. I dont care Jun 14 20:39:38 very impressive in general.. I like it Jun 14 20:40:50 darkblue_B: it is, X11 WM parts Jun 14 20:41:03 I'll use Pango for text rendering Jun 14 20:41:10 maybe Cairo for image display Jun 14 20:42:17 so, the WM will use GTK Jun 14 20:42:34 (at least Pango parts of it) Jun 14 20:42:55 the real gem will be in programability Jun 14 20:43:03 and good APIs Jun 14 20:43:39 as I said, I want to outdo XMonad in that respect Jun 14 20:59:12 ok hi... Jun 14 20:59:20 I am tryng to flash another N800 Jun 14 20:59:36 I just started the flash utility.. on the same box that I used successfully previously Jun 14 20:59:50 started the N800 with the home button down Jun 14 21:00:19 but... the flash utility on Ubuntu is saying..Error claiming USB Interface: Operatin not permitted Jun 14 21:00:30 ?? Jun 14 21:00:37 sudo Jun 14 21:00:39 tried twice .. no luck yet Jun 14 21:00:42 ah so Jun 14 21:00:49 thx so much qwerty12_N800 Jun 14 21:03:05 ok.. getting further... Jun 14 21:03:23 it rebooted but it doesnt look like the new system to me Jun 14 21:03:37 nope )S2007 Jun 14 21:03:40 OS Jun 14 21:06:31 hmmm Jun 14 21:06:34 problem Jun 14 21:07:06 started the flasher.. withthe device plugged in, rebooted w/ home key.. USB mode comes up , the flasher sees it.. Jun 14 21:07:28 Flasher says 100% downloaded.. BUT then Jun 14 21:07:44 Finishing Flashing.. Sending request 0x52 failed! Jun 14 21:07:57 Unable to get error strings: Connection Timed out Jun 14 21:08:19 green line is stopped ... near the beginning Jun 14 21:08:24 :-/ Jun 14 21:08:26 ??? Jun 14 21:12:23 I just tried a second N800.... same result .... Jun 14 21:12:40 it's not bricked is it? Jun 14 21:13:10 I've spent a few hours at least installing software and configuring it.. is there a way to update without just flashing over the entire thing? Jun 14 21:14:00 no.. it just boots after the failures... they both do Jun 14 21:15:41 mea culpa Jun 14 21:16:03 darkblue, if you have windows available, might be an idea to try the windows flasher - it may be a bit friendlier? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 21:16:12 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 21:16:39 2008 Jun 14 21:16:46 * lcuk hates the command line Jun 14 21:17:04 yeah.. me too.. I can do it though Jun 14 21:17:41 * Toba <3 cmd line Jun 14 21:17:51 it's a pain on the little kb though so I installed openssh Jun 14 21:22:20 hey Q.. I have my unit set up with ssh and vnc Jun 14 21:22:44 to save some time now that I have ths next unit flashedm, I was going to do a backup/restore on it Jun 14 21:23:06 but.. my associate is british, so he set his to british english Jun 14 21:23:12 mine is US english Jun 14 21:23:45 do you think there would be some thing quirky about using restore is the basic OS setting was diferent like that? Jun 14 21:25:50 I thnk I'll just try it Jun 14 21:26:01 I can just flash thte thing again if there are problems Jun 14 21:29:36 set his to us english, restore settings, change back to british :) Jun 14 21:29:52 ahhh Jun 14 21:34:41 ok.. did a backup.. now to get the backup onto the other machine Jun 14 21:35:00 magic Jun 14 21:44:30 any idea how to find the contents of a single internal card in the command line world? Jun 14 21:46:18 It's not /media/mmc2 ? Jun 14 21:47:15 Dekaritae: thats it - thx Jun 14 22:08:12 GeneralAntilles http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad why isn't "MediaWiki naming guidelines" a link? Jun 14 22:10:55 http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v223/1441/35/s1130156792_5249.jpg <- that sort of remind anyone of anything? Jun 14 22:11:54 GeneralAntilles: grrr. someone created tms by name? Jun 14 22:11:56 that's insane Jun 14 22:13:01 GeneralAntilles: and sadly they can't count either. Jun 14 22:13:56 * timelyx wonders what maemo4.0.1 is Jun 14 22:15:07 could someone ask qwerty12 to load about:crashes in firefox3 ? Jun 14 22:15:58 just regular firefox3? Jun 14 22:16:07 like, on a destkop, vs. tablet? Jun 14 22:16:36 wtf... ignore my previous link, I have no idea what that is Jun 14 22:17:04 http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/14/origami-experience-2-0-finally-coming-to-a-umpc-near-you/ <- Does _that_ remind anyone of anything? Jun 14 22:18:09 andre___: you're enjoying maemo-developers? :) Jun 14 22:19:04 n810 showed up :D Jun 14 22:19:55 anyone had luck modifying the root image? Jun 14 22:20:22 could someone tell mgedmin thanks re:crypto tale :) Jun 14 22:20:26 I'm following http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage, but keep getting IO errors Jun 14 22:20:32 tar: ./sbin/udhcpc: Read error at byte 0, while reading 7168 bytes: Input/output error Jun 14 22:20:33 etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 22:26:30 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 22:36:14 2008 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 22:39:47 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 14 22:42:14 2008 Jun 14 22:56:07 * timelyx chuckles Jun 14 22:56:42 http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=583937&no_d2=1&cid=23793201 <- someone should bring Bruce to maemo-developers, he'd change his tune about frustration + /. :) Jun 14 23:00:43 * timelyx sighs Jun 14 23:01:02 would someone please explain to me how one *accidentally* selects close all windows? Jun 14 23:03:00 unlock, pocket :) Jun 14 23:03:10 though it's still a bit unlikely Jun 14 23:04:04 a more likely scenario would be using the menu to close one window because you're fullscreen and don't have a corner X, then miss in the menu Jun 14 23:04:51 and then ctrl-q is near ctrl-w Jun 14 23:05:17 ctrl-q should never be bound to anything Jun 14 23:05:25 that's some UE designer's error, for which they should be fired :) Jun 14 23:06:16 quit all windows/quit application should really be bound to "use the power button" Jun 14 23:07:37 but i'm pretty sure the bug report i'm about to read is about the menu item Jun 14 23:07:51 (which i'd rather we hadn't implemented at all, but...) Jun 14 23:10:28 don't suppose you remember where UI Specs are buried in bugs.maemo? Jun 14 23:11:19 oh, it's a product Jun 14 23:11:36 interesting Jun 14 23:11:37 timelyx, it's a product now Jun 14 23:11:53 i sure didn't remember it being there when i was fixing tm links Jun 14 23:11:53 yeah. maybe easier to streamline those bugs and avoid devs closing them as wontfix Jun 14 23:12:01 i created it a week ago Jun 14 23:12:01 otoh, i wasn't paying much attn Jun 14 23:12:13 (got to go, later) Jun 14 23:12:23 i mass changed product milestone links on friday Jun 14 23:12:24 also, I have witnessed finns dancing some sort of polka in a circle Jun 14 23:12:34 cool Jun 14 23:12:35 sp3000: were they drunk? Jun 14 23:12:38 the trauma will stay with me forever I'm sure Jun 14 23:12:44 certainly Jun 14 23:12:47 more importantly, were you drunk? Jun 14 23:12:52 * sp3000 was at a friend's wedding Jun 14 23:12:55 certainly Jun 14 23:13:12 did your n8x0 record a video of it? Jun 14 23:13:20 you realize these people are insane, and then you realize you're right in the middle Jun 14 23:13:48 no, I don't think I got it on gps either :P Jun 14 23:13:57 I'm sure there's some documentation somewhere Jun 14 23:14:21 maybe, eventually Jun 14 23:15:17 vhs would be better than gps, but :) Jun 14 23:15:50 do i want to watch the ui-specification component? Jun 14 23:15:53 or do i want to get dinner Jun 14 23:15:55 unixSnob! Jun 14 23:16:14 01:27 timelyx someone tell unixsnob to google wyciwyg (and wysiwyg) [c=cache] Jun 14 23:16:39 andre___: wow, you found someone willing to be an assignee for bugs? Jun 14 23:16:56 (actually, that will eventually prove to be unwise, but hey, i'll enjoy watching) Jun 14 23:17:46 * timelyx sighs Jun 14 23:17:52 * timelyx needs to disable js based gmail Jun 14 23:17:56 it doesn't work here Jun 14 23:22:13 heh Jun 14 23:22:18 someone installed mplayer-plugin on diablo Jun 14 23:30:14 timely, there's an announcement on maemo.org about 4.0.1. It corresponds to 50-2. Jun 14 23:30:26 s/timely/timelyx/ Jun 14 23:30:26 GAN800 meant: timelyx, there's an announcement on maemo.org about 4.0.1. It corresponds to 50-2. Jun 14 23:30:51 I had the same questions about the TMs. Jun 14 23:31:32 dneary needs to be poked about linkifying the mediawiki guidelines. I wasn't able to produce them quickly when I looked. Jun 14 23:32:38 don't worry about nicks, i respond to them all Jun 14 23:37:54 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4_0_1_released.html Jun 14 23:39:13 timelyx, bug #3248 doesn't seem to happen in fullscreen, only windowed. Jun 14 23:39:48 heh Jun 14 23:39:55 please comment Jun 14 23:55:23 is planet.debian.org dead ? :) Jun 14 23:56:16 popcon.debian.org seems dead too.. Jun 15 00:04:50 * timelyx tries to figure out why of mice men ended up on planet Jun 15 00:05:31 * timelyx cries Jun 15 00:06:09 oh well "fixed" :) Jun 15 00:07:22 * timelyx had done a reedit w/o fixing the timestamp, and the timestamper picked up and froze the reedit date Jun 15 00:07:33 hey, I saw that canola now has a uPnP plugin Jun 15 00:07:47 is that the same as the media sharing for the file manager? in OS 2008? Jun 15 00:08:17 um, media sharing may or may not also include cifs Jun 15 00:08:23 yeah Jun 15 00:08:28 I know about SMBFS/CIFS Jun 15 00:08:29 not sure, since i've never seen "media sharing" Jun 15 00:08:43 but otherwise yeah, the file manager is basically upnp+cifs afaik Jun 15 00:08:43 by media sharing I mean videos/audio Jun 15 00:08:50 ok Jun 15 00:08:59 does windows media player do upnp? Jun 15 00:09:10 ask google? :) Jun 15 00:09:16 my WMPs don't work Jun 15 00:09:19 mikedep3331: I've desperately tried to Jun 15 00:09:31 then I gave up and rebooted Jun 15 00:09:37 ok Jun 15 00:10:45 (anyway, is canola able to list more than a hundred songs via upnp? because I could never see my whole song list, no matter what server I tried) Jun 15 00:10:55 I think it is in beta Jun 15 00:11:02 I know Jun 15 00:48:18 are dpads really that hard to make not suck? Jun 15 00:48:38 nope Jun 15 00:48:49 logitech and olpc get it right Jun 15 00:48:59 maybe you can give nokia some tips Jun 15 00:49:59 *got Jun 15 00:50:52 all it would take is a nice dpad and the n810 could have a cool gaming selling point Jun 15 00:52:14 there arfe some severe space limitations they had to work with but still Jun 15 00:52:39 well, what's an easy and effective way to share out media on a linux (ubuntu 8.04) desktop? Jun 15 00:53:13 apt-cache search upnp? Jun 15 00:53:19 I did that Jun 15 00:53:25 heh Jun 15 00:53:25 I am thinking of installing this one program Jun 15 00:53:42 mediatomb Jun 15 00:54:08 I have a upnp server running on my windows server Jun 15 00:54:32 works great for streaming to my 810 Jun 15 00:55:13 I'm not familiar with any linux apps though Jun 15 00:57:37 mythtv and mediatomb ssem to be the most popular linux choices Jun 15 00:58:04 oh.. I just found geexbox.. command line only Jun 15 00:58:16 I dont a thing about it.. just saw this go by Jun 15 00:58:27 I do have a bunch of mp3. like many Jun 15 00:58:54 seems intruiging, if its not to much hassle Jun 15 01:02:26 Proteous: nintendo got them right in 1998 Jun 15 01:02:34 but it seems it's hard up north Jun 15 01:02:57 err... Proteous: nintendo got them right in 1988 Jun 15 01:03:21 hehe Jun 15 01:06:51 don't you mean 1980? (Game & Watch) Jun 15 01:07:04 well ok, maybe that wasn't yet "right" Jun 15 01:07:11 but wasn't Game Boy 1989? Jun 15 01:11:40 I was a network engineer in 1988.. TCP/IP didnt work that well then.. companies had different solutions.. Vines and TokenRing products were big in business Jun 15 01:12:27 * timelyx liked vines Jun 15 01:12:31 or rather my dad did Jun 15 01:12:44 * timelyx was a bit young then Jun 15 01:12:58 tokenring was a different layer though, no? Jun 15 01:13:16 or are you describing it as the pair vines over tokenring? Jun 15 01:13:35 did IBM have some big marketing campaign about tcp back then? Jun 15 01:13:42 well, I worked on Apple products.. so I cant tell you chapter and verse Jun 15 01:13:54 though I looked over the shoulder of the TCP/IP guys Jun 15 01:13:58 or was it lantastic? Jun 15 01:14:05 we used apple ii products at school :) Jun 15 01:14:09 appletalk and friends Jun 15 01:14:14 appleshare Jun 15 01:14:20 yep.. Jun 15 01:15:21 there was MIDI.. but digital music on that kind of hardware was a long way off Jun 15 01:15:32 * timelyx misses midi Jun 15 01:15:38 the CD happened, but the net and storage couldnt keep up with it Jun 15 01:15:45 it really sucks that it's so hard to find music in midi format Jun 15 01:15:55 .. on ordinary machines Jun 15 01:16:03 and of course iirc the itos audio/media player don't even support it out of the box Jun 15 01:16:31 i usually just want the instruments for songs, so i can sing along w/ the sheet music Jun 15 01:16:55 all of this apropos to the musings about GameBoys in 1988 or whatever.. certainly nowhere near serving lists of x100 songs, as we are talking aout now! Jun 15 01:17:36 * timelyx disagrees Jun 15 01:17:46 * timelyx had >>500 midi files by 1992 Jun 15 01:18:20 and uis to handle it really did exist back then Jun 15 01:18:36 there were also tracker apps (totally different from today's trackers) Jun 15 01:22:40 midi Jun 15 01:22:46 sure.. Jun 15 01:23:02 where are they now! Jun 15 01:24:33 what's new and exciting Jun 15 01:24:43 any new debs for ~noobs? Jun 15 01:24:59 is that "like noobs" or "not noobs"? Jun 15 01:25:22 almost Jun 15 01:25:28 approximately Jun 15 01:25:30 circa Jun 15 01:25:36 I figured wiggly noobs Jun 15 01:26:00 n800m: ~ has other meanings in math/cs Jun 15 01:26:04 yeah it's the new 'fanboy' Jun 15 01:26:15 buzzword warning Jun 15 01:26:41 like "wiggly" Jun 15 01:40:30 hey, I keep on seeing people saying they are running stuff on diablo Jun 15 01:40:34 where do I get it? Jun 15 01:42:40 It's a somewhat working leaked beta copy Jun 15 01:43:04 mikedep3331: officially no one is supposed to explain how to o it Jun 15 01:43:21 but basically once you have the instructions, you can get weekly updates Jun 15 01:43:21 not only that, but you probably don't want it Jun 15 01:43:29 yeah well.. that too Jun 15 01:43:36 too buggy? Jun 15 01:43:43 after all, everyone seems to complain it's buggy :) Jun 15 01:43:56 a little buggy, but more than that: almost nothing has changed Jun 15 01:44:12 is the web browser faster? Jun 15 01:44:17 not really Jun 15 01:44:25 johnx: *shrug* the only major changes was a daemonized browser and a new mail client Jun 15 01:44:27 oh well Jun 15 01:44:39 mikedep3331: the browser change is mostly that if the engine crashes, your ui survives Jun 15 01:44:52 which means you might not lose the urls of the pages you're visiting.. Jun 15 01:45:01 so it is basically they just added support for wimax? Jun 15 01:45:12 and when it's released you will be able to upgrade to new versions of diablo without reflashing Jun 15 01:45:21 nice Jun 15 01:45:25 mikedep3331, oh, there are plenty of small bug fixes Jun 15 01:45:51 is the browser just as big of a memory hog? Jun 15 01:45:51 7yeah, it's kind of a boring update Jun 15 01:46:03 practically speaking, it's the same engine Jun 15 01:46:05 there's a-gps, but outside of that Jun 15 01:46:14 not too much to care about Jun 15 01:46:21 so despite the fact that there are only minor improvements, it is still overall more buggy? Jun 15 01:46:40 hopefully the release after diablo will have an engine like ff3 Jun 15 01:46:42 * summatusmentis hasn't run into bugs, but he doesn't run it every day Jun 15 01:46:56 the only thing that I'm still really having problems with is the browser taking up a lot of memory *sometimes* Jun 15 01:47:03 but it's difficult to reproduce Jun 15 01:47:21 is it better than this one? Jun 15 01:47:23 johnx: out of curiosity, if we gave you debs which were nonstandard, would you install them? Jun 15 01:47:46 timelyx, sure Jun 15 01:47:56 ok Jun 15 01:47:59 * timelyx ponders Jun 15 01:48:14 how many windows do you keep open? Jun 15 01:48:18 so is nokia intending to ultimately go with ubuntu? Jun 15 01:48:23 I used to run 2 or 3 Jun 15 01:48:27 * timelyx suspects the only useful thing would be object tracing Jun 15 01:48:30 or just incorporate improvements from ubuntu back into maemo? Jun 15 01:48:31 but not I just use one and still have the same problem Jun 15 01:48:40 and do you have 1-2gb of free space on any of your volumes? :) Jun 15 01:48:48 or is that too much speculation? Jun 15 01:48:54 timelyx, I can manage that in the name of debugging Jun 15 01:48:59 ok Jun 15 01:49:21 has anyone got mediatomb to work with canola? Jun 15 01:49:23 mikedep3331, by the time they trimmed down ubuntu enough to fit in 256MB of flash it would resemble maemo more than ubuntu Jun 15 01:49:26 mikedep3331: I don't know that anyone knows... why do you think Nokia would be doing anything w/ ubuntu? Jun 15 01:49:30 so, i think the thing i'll need to get you is a debug microb-engine w/ a change to the start script so it logs object allocs Jun 15 01:49:38 or perhaps i'll just give you the ability to tweak the start script Jun 15 01:49:40 mikedep3331, I was using it last night Jun 15 01:49:47 since you're going to need to go through a couple of iterations Jun 15 01:50:11 * timelyx ponders Jun 15 01:50:18 ok, well... something for me to sleep on Jun 15 01:50:24 summatusmentis: because they are porting ubuntu to the IT Jun 15 01:50:26 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html Jun 15 01:50:39 johnx: are you running ubuntu 8.04 or something similar? Jun 15 01:50:50 mikedep3331, on my desktop? Jun 15 01:51:00 to run mediatomb Jun 15 01:51:34 running it on debian Jun 15 01:51:44 well, here's my problem Jun 15 01:51:54 timelyx, ok. I'm up for whatever. Jun 15 01:52:12 wait, let me try something Jun 15 01:53:24 Mmm Jun 15 01:53:53 it's like I have my right hand back Jun 15 01:54:23 oh, my firewall is up Jun 15 01:54:24 nm Jun 15 01:54:25 johnx: k... i can give you some stuff to read in advance Jun 15 01:54:43 woo Jun 15 01:54:45 stuff to read Jun 15 01:54:50 timelyx, sounds fair Jun 15 01:55:05 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools Jun 15 01:55:10 is probably the starting point Jun 15 01:55:21 the web site has reorganized since i learned the tools Jun 15 01:56:31 doesn't look too bad Jun 15 01:56:45 yeah i think that's a fairly current overview Jun 15 01:56:53 you'll need to read at least 1 link depth beyond it Jun 15 01:57:04 aaah Jun 15 01:57:08 awesome :P Jun 15 01:57:20 if you have a scratchbox, it's technically possible for you to build the microb-engine part debug yourself Jun 15 01:57:25 instead of waiting for me to find a build for you Jun 15 01:57:51 I'll see if I can resurrect my scratchbox install after I get back from work today Jun 15 01:58:12 how does scratchbox work? Jun 15 01:58:38 clever tricks and an arm emulator Jun 15 01:58:44 "poorly" Jun 15 01:58:51 anything at all like OpenEmbedded? or not? Jun 15 01:59:12 they both cross compile, but the similiarity ends there Jun 15 01:59:21 heh Jun 15 01:59:27 so it is a cross compile env Jun 15 01:59:41 intriguing Jun 15 01:59:41 or not Jun 15 01:59:51 it's just a foreign env Jun 15 01:59:54 it doesn't have to be cross Jun 15 02:00:08 compile w/in the arm emulator? Jun 15 02:00:11 you can use it to deal w/ debian from a red hat box Jun 15 02:00:32 or you can use it to compile onto a remote device (sb-rsh ?) Jun 15 02:00:42 interesting Jun 15 02:00:46 but you can't really use it from a 64bit box Jun 15 02:00:52 (not w/o massive headaches) Jun 15 02:00:56 oh, well that's lame :) Jun 15 02:01:15 and it doesn't work well (or at all?) from other platforms (osx, solaris, ppc) Jun 15 02:01:23 * timelyx shrugs Jun 15 02:01:34 it's your typically "i need something for me" tool Jun 15 02:01:48 it works w/in very restrictive limits Jun 15 02:01:56 and in the end, setting it up isn't worth the price of vmware Jun 15 02:02:04 so just get a vmware player and a vmware image :) Jun 15 02:02:29 I've got vmware fusion, and an ubuntu install Jun 15 02:02:48 i think there are at least 2 maemo vmware images Jun 15 02:02:58 one from some community group and one from mozilla.org Jun 15 02:03:05 if i were johnx, i'd grab the mozilla.org image :) Jun 15 02:03:40 I could setup maemo on my own if I wanted, without scratchbox? or is scratchbox required? Jun 15 02:03:42 johnx: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions#VMWare_Image Jun 15 02:03:54 you can build on device Jun 15 02:03:57 if you're very very careful Jun 15 02:04:00 and somewhat lucky Jun 15 02:04:15 i think it's possible for a package to require non busybox versions of tools Jun 15 02:04:26 which pretty much excludes building directly on device Jun 15 02:04:27 timelyx, will look tonight Jun 15 02:04:32 eating breakfast now Jun 15 02:04:39 * timelyx is digesting dinner Jun 15 02:04:39 mmm Jun 15 02:04:40 hmm... I'll have to look into it after Summer of Code Jun 15 02:04:45 breakfast Jun 15 02:05:00 * timelyx grumbles Jun 15 02:05:09 someone made a 10 and buried the vmware image Jun 15 02:05:18 * timelyx will have to find someone w/ a wiki account to make it point 1 Jun 15 02:05:37 autotools has a massive dependency for debianutils which will pretty much wipe out your device. Jun 15 02:05:47 but gcc and make and stuff all work nicely Jun 15 02:05:55 that's probably what I did recently Jun 15 02:06:00 heh Jun 15 02:06:09 completely deleted everything, just by using apt Jun 15 02:06:12 probably if you want to use your device you'll want to install to an mmc Jun 15 02:06:16 and boot from it Jun 15 02:06:18 is there any way to mount the internal flash of an N810 without booting it into the os? Jun 15 02:06:34 putterson: technically yes Jun 15 02:06:48 can it be done without taking it apart? Jun 15 02:06:50 lol Jun 15 02:07:08 probably depends on your definition of "taking it apart" :) Jun 15 02:07:17 if you mean w/o removing the battery cover... Jun 15 02:07:32 without taking off the battery cover to access any serial ports Jun 15 02:07:44 I mean over usb Jun 15 02:08:14 you'd need an os running for that ... Jun 15 02:08:29 you could make a tiny os and stick that in the mmc slot Jun 15 02:08:43 but it's still an os, and the device is still booted Jun 15 02:08:48 you could make a modified initfs that would do it Jun 15 02:08:57 you'd still be running the OS of cours Jun 15 02:09:05 but not from the rootfs partition Jun 15 02:09:11 well let me tell you the situation and maybe you could guide me to the best solution. Jun 15 02:09:24 good plan :) Jun 15 02:09:58 I performed "apt-get upgrade" over ssh and now the device will boot to the point where it plays the little jingle and will cycle after that Jun 15 02:10:25 I had alot of 3rd party repositories... Jun 15 02:10:56 i think you want to setup an mmc w/ an os and boot from it Jun 15 02:11:12 from there w/ effort you can mount the internal jffs partition and fix things Jun 15 02:11:31 you should be able to create the mmc w/o using the device Jun 15 02:11:48 and i think the flasher utility should be able to enable mmc booting even from your current stte Jun 15 02:12:12 fixing things is out of my ability; backing up things is seeming better for my skill level Jun 15 02:12:16 you might want to customize the mmc image to default to usb-net and an ssh public key for root Jun 15 02:12:26 hrm Jun 15 02:12:40 we made a backup of one of mine Jun 15 02:12:42 only because of the troubleshooting Jun 15 02:12:46 but we had extra tools Jun 15 02:12:53 that's fine Jun 15 02:12:55 and we never really planned to do much w/ the backup Jun 15 02:13:03 mostly trying to poison another device :) Jun 15 02:13:11 raw read + raw write = raw clone Jun 15 02:14:01 (not really useful to you, since raw isn't useful for much of anything) Jun 15 02:14:24 just when I need my mini to full size sd adapter... Jun 15 02:14:49 in theory you can build the jffs2 fs as a module and use it in a normal linux... Jun 15 02:15:00 iirc you may be able to but from usb mass storage Jun 15 02:15:04 if that's more practical :) Jun 15 02:15:54 at this point I need a card reader so I will get back to you when I have one. Jun 15 02:16:29 * timelyx will be asleep and unhelpful Jun 15 02:16:32 best of luck Jun 15 02:16:42 thanks Jun 15 02:19:40 ohnoes, I actually posted on itT Jun 15 02:19:52 it's sucking me Jun 15 02:19:56 in* Jun 15 02:19:57 your soul has been sucked into a void Jun 15 02:20:26 timelyx: does Nokia do any internships relating to maemo? Jun 15 02:25:35 yes Jun 15 02:25:42 not that i understand them Jun 15 02:25:50 talk to sp3000, he might know more Jun 15 02:26:37 timelyx: oh, ok. Just curious Jun 15 02:29:15 ok, I found a card reader. what now? Jun 15 02:30:06 spit, turn around three times, put a drop of blood in your spit, and pray to shiva Jun 15 02:30:18 summatusmentis, n810, right? Jun 15 02:30:26 johnx: yeah Jun 15 02:30:28 why? Jun 15 02:30:40 just making sure it's not an n800 Jun 15 02:30:53 wait... making sure what isn't? Jun 15 02:30:54 s/n800/770/ Jun 15 02:30:55 johnx meant: just making sure it's not an 770 Jun 15 02:31:03 * johnx is still waking up Jun 15 02:31:12 I think you wanna talk to putterson Jun 15 02:31:22 errr...sorry Jun 15 02:31:24 O_o Jun 15 02:31:30 I have the semi-bricked n810 Jun 15 02:31:33 ok Jun 15 02:31:36 lol, I'm just here for annoying attempts at comic relief Jun 15 02:31:53 summatusmentis, then you should have played along. :P Jun 15 02:32:09 haha, touche Jun 15 02:32:23 putterson, how big is your mini-sd card? Jun 15 02:32:30 althought, that's completely useless to putterson :) Jun 15 02:32:36 2GiB Jun 15 02:33:20 also my n810 is in flash mode right now Jun 15 02:33:40 I am on Ubuntu 8.04 Jun 15 02:33:55 the card is formatted as fat32 Jun 15 02:34:04 would you be comfortable backing up from the command line, with rsync? Jun 15 02:34:21 never used rsync before but command line is fine Jun 15 02:34:29 I've only read about rsync Jun 15 02:34:35 it's easy Jun 15 02:34:36 pretty straightforward Jun 15 02:34:39 just like cp basically Jun 15 02:34:42 oh ok Jun 15 02:34:52 rsync -av /some/old/folder/ /some/new/folder/ Jun 15 02:35:02 when it finishes they'll have the same contents Jun 15 02:35:09 ok Jun 15 02:36:35 unless someone wants provide you with a copy of os2008 to extract onto your sd card, the easiest course of action might be putting debian on the sd card... Jun 15 02:36:55 well can't I download os2008 Jun 15 02:36:57 ? Jun 15 02:37:20 you could do that too I guess Jun 15 02:37:38 you'll need to explode the FIASCO image, then extract the rootfs onto your SD card...somehow Jun 15 02:37:54 sounds tricky Jun 15 02:37:55 hey guys im trying to decide between a table and a mini notebook/netbook, could you give some advice Jun 15 02:37:56 let's go with debian Jun 15 02:37:59 should just be a matter of using dd right? Jun 15 02:38:17 it'll give you a rootfs.jffs2 image Jun 15 02:38:36 Zmiko: well, what do you eat off of now? Jun 15 02:38:41 summatusmentis, no Jun 15 02:38:48 johnx: why? Jun 15 02:38:50 jffs2 only works on the internal nand Jun 15 02:39:06 oh... you could mount the image, and then rsync it Jun 15 02:39:07 Zmiko, what would the primary use be? Jun 15 02:39:14 summatusmentis, that would do it Jun 15 02:39:29 surfing, taking notes at school Jun 15 02:39:31 it's up to you johnx Jun 15 02:39:49 watcing streaming video while mobile Jun 15 02:39:51 putterson, honestly, I think debian might be easiest in this case Jun 15 02:39:57 Zmiko, mini notebook Jun 15 02:40:11 (says the debian guy) Jun 15 02:40:13 johnx, how will the bootloader know to boot off the sd card? Jun 15 02:40:27 putterson, we tell it with the flasher Jun 15 02:40:32 that's the part I'm not sure about Jun 15 02:40:35 * johnx looks Jun 15 02:40:38 johnx, will that wipe stuff out? Jun 15 02:40:45 putterson, nope Jun 15 02:40:49 it just sets a flag Jun 15 02:40:52 oh ok Jun 15 02:41:42 anyways, start grabbing a copy of debian from here: http://debian.i2c3.com/debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2 Jun 15 02:41:54 we'll figure out flasher as it downloads Jun 15 02:41:56 thats what i've been leaning towards Jun 15 02:42:09 thanks Jun 15 02:42:18 flasher looks like you need --set-root-device Jun 15 02:42:23 but I'm not sure how the arg's work Jun 15 02:42:41 s/arg's/arg/ Jun 15 02:42:42 summatusmentis meant: but I'm not sure how the arg work Jun 15 02:43:33 s/arg's work/arg works/ Jun 15 02:43:34 summatusmentis meant: but I'm not sure how the arg works Jun 15 02:43:38 there Jun 15 02:44:23 what's the syntax for text replacement Jun 15 02:44:37 is it standardized? Jun 15 02:44:47 pretty much, it's the same as sed or vi Jun 15 02:44:48 foo Jun 15 02:44:50 s/foo/bar Jun 15 02:44:55 heh Jun 15 02:45:00 s/heh/foo bar/ Jun 15 02:45:01 johnx meant: foo bar Jun 15 02:45:07 need that last / :D Jun 15 02:46:20 where is qwerty12? I haven't seen him for days Jun 15 02:49:34 oh.. that would explain why I can't ssh into it... Vmware wasn't on Jun 15 02:53:15 what software should I use to flash my n810 Jun 15 02:53:29 flasher-3.0 Jun 15 02:53:32 you won't be flashing it, but you need flasher-3.0 Jun 15 02:54:12 from here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8 Jun 15 02:54:38 thanks Jun 15 02:55:47 putterson, sorry, but I have to go to work now. The flag you want is probably --set-root-device but I have no idea what the right syntax for using it is Jun 15 02:55:52 I wish you luck Jun 15 02:56:45 thanks Jun 15 02:56:54 have a good day/night Jun 15 02:59:50 johnx: I think i can help from here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 15 02:59:56 2008