**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 15 02:59:56 2008
Jun 15 03:00:15 <summatusmentis> or, at least get putterson a bootable mini-sd card
Jun 15 03:01:40 <timelyx> um
Jun 15 03:01:48 <timelyx> anyone here familiar w/ midguard ?
Jun 15 03:02:06 <timelyx> i'm seeing requests against my blog server for /midcom-static/net.nemein.f
Jun 15 03:02:06 <timelyx> avourites/not-favorite.png
Jun 15 03:04:44 <summatusmentis> putterson: once you get debian downloaded, you're gonna wanna format your sd card to ext2 or ext3, and then untar the debian image onto your sd card
Jun 15 03:05:49 <putterson> I can format it but you're going to have to help me with untarring it
Jun 15 03:05:58 <summatusmentis> ok, can do
Jun 15 03:06:43 <summatusmentis> putterson: you can actually format it while you're dowloading debian
Jun 15 03:06:57 <putterson> I am done downloading debian and formatting it
Jun 15 03:08:05 <putterson> actually I can't seem to mount it now
Jun 15 03:08:45 <summatusmentis> you've already formatted the card?
Jun 15 03:09:02 <summatusmentis> how're you trying to mount it?
Jun 15 03:09:18 <putterson> just through nautilus
Jun 15 03:09:29 <summatusmentis> open up a terminal
Jun 15 03:09:36 <putterson> mhm
Jun 15 03:09:56 <summatusmentis> mount -t ext2 /dev/<whatever it is> /<mountpoint>
Jun 15 03:11:06 <putterson> I have sda sdb and sdc
Jun 15 03:11:14 <putterson> how would I go about figuring out which one it is
Jun 15 03:12:29 <putterson> nvm figured it out
Jun 15 03:12:37 <summatusmentis> lol, ok
Jun 15 03:12:53 <summatusmentis> generally i just try it till it works
Jun 15 03:13:03 <putterson> well some I already have mouted
Jun 15 03:13:17 <putterson> I guess it wouldn't hurt thought right?
Jun 15 03:13:47 <summatusmentis> right, it'll just tell you it's already mounted
Jun 15 03:14:52 <summatusmentis> so you've got it mounted?
Jun 15 03:15:19 <putterson> yep
Jun 15 03:15:31 <summatusmentis> ok
Jun 15 03:16:06 <summatusmentis> cd *whereever it's mounted*
Jun 15 03:16:12 <putterson> yep
Jun 15 03:16:27 <summatusmentis> the image is .tar.bz2 right?
Jun 15 03:16:35 <putterson> mhm
Jun 15 03:17:17 <summatusmentis> sudo tar xvjf /path/to/image.tar.bz2
Jun 15 03:18:18 <summatusmentis> that *should* untar it to the current dir
Jun 15 03:18:28 <angel> hey, repository.maemo.org is down?
Jun 15 03:18:44 <putterson> works for me
Jun 15 03:19:01 <angel> m trying to do a update.. it says failed to resolve
Jun 15 03:19:12 <angel> hmm.. i am trying to install python
Jun 15 03:19:52 <putterson> are you on your tablet right now?
Jun 15 03:19:56 <angel> nope
Jun 15 03:20:04 <angel> trying to install it on scratchbox
Jun 15 03:20:25 <putterson> can scratchbox use the networking of the host?
Jun 15 03:20:27 <summatusmentis> sounds like your dns is screwy
Jun 15 03:20:33 <angel> hmmm
Jun 15 03:20:41 <putterson> I use opendns
Jun 15 03:20:43 <putterson> and it worked for me
Jun 15 03:20:55 <timelyx> by default scratchbox tends to have bad dns
Jun 15 03:21:01 <angel> how do we check if scratchbox is using networking?
Jun 15 03:21:06 <timelyx> check /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf
Jun 15 03:21:18 <timelyx> and also similar files in /scratchbox/etc
Jun 15 03:21:53 <angel> wat is it supposed to say?
Jun 15 03:23:22 <summatusmentis> putterson: how's that working out?
Jun 15 03:23:50 <putterson> summatusmentis, still extracting
Jun 15 03:24:07 <summatusmentis> ok
Jun 15 03:24:08 <putterson> it's on /usr/...
Jun 15 03:24:16 <putterson> so it should be done soon if it goes by alpha
Jun 15 03:24:39 <summatusmentis> I don't know what order it goes in
Jun 15 03:25:41 <putterson> it's done
Jun 15 03:26:12 <summatusmentis> ok, unmount the card
Jun 15 03:26:15 <putterson> k
Jun 15 03:26:26 <summatusmentis> sudo umount /whatever/goes/here
Jun 15 03:27:06 <putterson> umount uses the mountpoint not the device right?
Jun 15 03:27:11 <summatusmentis> yep
Jun 15 03:27:16 <putterson> k
Jun 15 03:27:21 <summatusmentis> well, either way actually
Jun 15 03:27:42 <putterson> oh ok
Jun 15 03:27:49 <putterson> it's done
Jun 15 03:28:23 <summatusmentis> put it in the n810
Jun 15 03:28:28 <putterson> k
Jun 15 03:28:40 <summatusmentis> put the n810 in flashing mode
Jun 15 03:28:41 <putterson> nice and warm hehe
Jun 15 03:29:01 <summatusmentis> :-)
Jun 15 03:29:11 <putterson> it's in flashing mode already
Jun 15 03:29:23 <timelyx> angel: usually you want it to match your host
Jun 15 03:29:27 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Jun 15 03:29:36 <summatusmentis> then doÂ:
Jun 15 03:30:07 <putterson> was that supposed to be an A with a caret over it?
Jun 15 03:30:24 <summatusmentis> /path/to/flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc2
Jun 15 03:30:53 <summatusmentis> no, sorry, that's some weird char on my n810 keyboard
Jun 15 03:31:09 <putterson> yeah the keyboard is weird on the n810
Jun 15 03:31:13 <putterson> finnish or something
Jun 15 03:31:14 <putterson> I forget
Jun 15 03:31:28 <summatusmentis> wait, add a -R to the end of that flasher command
Jun 15 03:32:13 <summatusmentis> I *think* mmc2 is the right device, we'll see in a bit
Jun 15 03:32:16 <putterson> Unsupported root device. Valid devices are:
Jun 15 03:32:16 <putterson>   flash
Jun 15 03:32:16 <putterson>   mmc
Jun 15 03:32:16 <putterson>   usb
Jun 15 03:32:24 <putterson> mmc I guess
Jun 15 03:32:30 <putterson> I wonder how usb works
Jun 15 03:32:32 <summatusmentis> yeah
Jun 15 03:32:52 <putterson> so still add the -R?
Jun 15 03:33:18 <summatusmentis> yeah, that'll reboot the device
Jun 15 03:33:23 <putterson> oh ok
Jun 15 03:33:30 <putterson> should it be plugged in and everything
Jun 15 03:33:41 <summatusmentis> nah
Jun 15 03:33:47 <putterson> does it matter?
Jun 15 03:34:12 <putterson> cause it is plugged in right now
Jun 15 03:34:14 <summatusmentis> umm... I *think* it should be unplugged
Jun 15 03:34:18 <putterson> ok
Jun 15 03:34:49 <putterson> it's booting up
Jun 15 03:35:10 <summatusmentis> good  :-)
Jun 15 03:35:29 <summatusmentis> from here I'm not sure what you're trying to do
Jun 15 03:35:45 <summatusmentis> you can plug it back in if you want now
Jun 15 03:35:49 <putterson> just back up contacts
Jun 15 03:35:57 <putterson> I can find where they are stored
Jun 15 03:36:04 <putterson> if you know that would be quicker
Jun 15 03:36:17 <putterson> if you know where they are that is
Jun 15 03:36:37 <summatusmentis> I don't, but someone else might
Jun 15 03:37:27 <summatusmentis> tried to use my n810 for email, and it got really really angry whenever I tried to load a message
Jun 15 03:38:06 <putterson> this is bad
Jun 15 03:38:16 <summatusmentis> what's bad?
Jun 15 03:38:25 <putterson> the touchscreen axes are switched
Jun 15 03:39:05 <summatusmentis> ah... let me see if I can figure out how to fix that
Jun 15 03:39:54 <putterson> I fixed it
Jun 15 03:40:06 <putterson> there is a button on the top bar that does
Jun 15 03:41:12 <summatusmentis> oh... probably some sort of screen rotation something
Jun 15 03:41:43 <putterson> yeah it was
Jun 15 03:41:50 <putterson> I somewhat prefer this to maemo
Jun 15 03:41:56 <putterson> debian with xfce
Jun 15 03:42:12 <summatusmentis> there are a couple of things that aren't up to speed yet
Jun 15 03:43:22 <summatusmentis> powr management, and headphone stuff according to the wiki
Jun 15 03:43:32 <summatusmentis> s/powr/power
Jun 15 03:43:39 <summatusmentis> s/powr/power/
Jun 15 03:43:39 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: s/power/power
Jun 15 03:43:43 <putterson> lol
Jun 15 03:43:57 <putterson> they should check for that in the bot
Jun 15 03:44:08 <summatusmentis> they should
Jun 15 03:44:32 <summatusmentis> I used to run debian in a chroot, so I could get debian apps inside of maemo
Jun 15 03:44:54 <summatusmentis> it was convenient... I only needed a couple things though
Jun 15 03:45:26 <putterson> you still needed to compile for arm though right?
Jun 15 03:45:56 <summatusmentis> no, the debian port has a butt-load of repo's, so they've already got stuff compiled for arm
Jun 15 03:46:39 <summatusmentis> it's literally debian
Jun 15 03:46:56 <putterson> oh that must have been good
Jun 15 03:47:02 <summatusmentis> that's what you're running now
Jun 15 03:47:10 <putterson> is it difficult to compile stuff for maemo?
Jun 15 03:47:20 <summatusmentis> I'm not sure, never done it
Jun 15 03:47:40 <summatusmentis> can't be that hard, but I don't actually know
Jun 15 03:48:07 <timelyx> it's a lot easier to package stuff that doesn't require building :)
Jun 15 03:50:42 <putterson> how can I tell if I am root from the console?
Jun 15 03:51:10 <summatusmentis> the prompt should have a # if you are
Jun 15 03:51:22 <summatusmentis> otherwise, iirc it's a $
Jun 15 03:51:31 <putterson> I have an @
Jun 15 03:51:38 <summatusmentis> umm...
Jun 15 03:51:48 <summatusmentis> then I don't know :)
Jun 15 03:51:55 <timelyx> touch /this-should-not-exist
Jun 15 03:51:58 <timelyx> rm /this-should-not-exist
Jun 15 03:52:02 <timelyx> if touch works... you're root
Jun 15 03:52:23 <timelyx> (or your system's so broken, that it doesn't matter)
Jun 15 03:52:30 <summatusmentis> unless you're in your home dir...
Jun 15 03:52:47 <timelyx> summatusmentis: no.
Jun 15 03:52:51 <putterson> well he is trying it in the root directory though
Jun 15 03:53:01 <summatusmentis> oh /, right :)
Jun 15 03:53:03 <summatusmentis> nvm
Jun 15 03:53:09 * timelyx is relatively careful :)
Jun 15 03:53:17 <summatusmentis> timelyx: right, i got confused :)
Jun 15 03:53:23 <putterson> I can't type /...fn key doesn't work
Jun 15 03:53:24 <putterson> lol
Jun 15 03:53:39 <putterson> I think there is an osk here somewhere
Jun 15 03:54:05 <summatusmentis> there should be
Jun 15 03:54:09 <summatusmentis> the / just isn't mapped
Jun 15 03:54:18 <putterson> neither of those commands returned an error
Jun 15 03:54:51 <timelyx> mkdir: cannot create directory `/this-file-should-not-exist': Permission denied
Jun 15 03:55:06 <summatusmentis> presumably that means you're root
Jun 15 03:58:28 <mikedep3331> in OS2008, file manager crashed while attempting to open a SMB share. Now it can no longer access them at all. Is there a  way to fix this without rebooting (I'm guessing a daemon needs to be restarted)
Jun 15 03:58:47 <timelyx> the daemon in question is gnomevfs
Jun 15 03:58:54 <timelyx> which iirc isn't something you can easily whack
Jun 15 04:00:55 <mikedep3331> ok, thx
Jun 15 04:06:43 <putterson> hey summatusmentis, you know how there are the logical storage areas on the n810: internal, external and application
Jun 15 04:07:08 <summatusmentis> sort of
Jun 15 04:07:20 <summatusmentis> I think applications get installed on the internal card, but yes
Jun 15 04:07:21 <putterson> I can only access internal and external, I can't access the application portion
Jun 15 04:07:28 <putterson> well logical areas
Jun 15 04:07:30 <putterson> not physical
Jun 15 04:07:58 <summatusmentis> right, that's what I'm saying, i don't know that there's actually a difference
Jun 15 04:08:03 <angel> hey, the resolve.conf and nsswitch.conf look fine
Jun 15 04:08:09 <angel> i still dont get the problem
Jun 15 04:08:46 <putterson> summatusmentis, well the directory structure goes straight to the home folder when I access the internal card
Jun 15 04:09:03 <summatusmentis> yeah, that's only in the maemo file manager
Jun 15 04:09:03 <timelyx> angel: did you check /scratchbox/etc/{hosts,nsswitch.conf} ?
Jun 15 04:09:13 <summatusmentis> the applications still get installed into /stuff/here
Jun 15 04:09:22 <angel> timelyx: yup
Jun 15 04:09:23 <putterson> so it looks like /media/int-sd/whatever documents and stuff
Jun 15 04:09:41 <summatusmentis> wait, say that again?
Jun 15 04:09:42 <putterson> but not the rest of the filesystem
Jun 15 04:09:55 <summatusmentis> really?
Jun 15 04:10:05 <putterson> yeah, it's weird
Jun 15 04:10:23 <putterson> I can only access what would be on what is called the internal memory in os2008
Jun 15 04:10:31 <summatusmentis> oh... wait, that's right
Jun 15 04:10:41 <summatusmentis> you mounted the internal memory card, not the flash
Jun 15 04:11:07 <summatusmentis> probably /dev/mmcblk0 ?
Jun 15 04:11:21 <putterson> ahh
Jun 15 04:11:32 <putterson> it didn't automount
Jun 15 04:11:45 <summatusmentis> which didn't automount?
Jun 15 04:12:17 <angel> timelyx: it works fine outside scratchbox.. and the files look fine.. any ideas?
Jun 15 04:12:28 * timelyx shrugs
Jun 15 04:12:30 <putterson> the storage which isn't the external or internal
Jun 15 04:12:34 <timelyx> get the process id for your shell
Jun 15 04:12:41 <putterson> where everything installs to
Jun 15 04:12:43 <timelyx> and do strace -f -p {thatnumber}
Jun 15 04:12:55 <timelyx> you'll figure out which file(s) it's reading
Jun 15 04:12:59 <timelyx> and how to fix it :)
Jun 15 04:14:00 <summatusmentis> putterson: the n810 has an internal sd card, which gets called "internal memory" in the file manager
Jun 15 04:14:10 <angel> timelyx: let me try that :)
Jun 15 04:14:15 <putterson> summatusmentis, that got mounted
Jun 15 04:14:27 <summatusmentis> the OS, and all the applications, get installed into the flash, which is different than the internal sd card
Jun 15 04:14:31 <putterson> so there is an internal card and internal flash?
Jun 15 04:14:35 <putterson> seperately?
Jun 15 04:14:36 <summatusmentis> yes
Jun 15 04:14:53 <summatusmentis> the flash has 256MB, and the internal card is ~2GB
Jun 15 04:15:03 <putterson> oh ok, I thought they were the same just divided
Jun 15 04:15:08 <putterson> thanks
Jun 15 04:15:15 <timelyx> they're two unrelated items
Jun 15 04:15:25 <timelyx> w/ very different perf characteristics among other things
Jun 15 04:15:46 <putterson> the flash is faster right?
Jun 15 04:16:15 <putterson> I got denied trying to make /media/flash
Jun 15 04:16:19 <putterson> mkdir that is
Jun 15 04:16:21 <summatusmentis> if you're trying to access flash, you're going to want to mount (iirc) /dev/mtdblock4. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
Jun 15 04:16:40 <timelyx> putterson: there's probably no /media
Jun 15 04:16:51 <timelyx> try mkdir /tmp/flash
Jun 15 04:16:57 <timelyx> or mkdir /mnt/flash
Jun 15 04:16:58 <putterson> timelyx, there is /media
Jun 15 04:17:14 <putterson> I'm booted in debian from the flash card
Jun 15 04:17:22 <putterson> external sd rather
Jun 15 04:17:24 <timelyx> are you root? :)
Jun 15 04:17:36 <summatusmentis> putterson: su -
Jun 15 04:17:46 <putterson> "touch /test" worked
Jun 15 04:17:59 <timelyx> sorry, hard to keep track of who is who
Jun 15 04:18:11 <putterson> what is the default password?
Jun 15 04:18:22 <summatusmentis> for root, 'rootme'
Jun 15 04:18:25 <summatusmentis> w/out quotes
Jun 15 04:18:30 <timelyx> that's assuming maemo
Jun 15 04:18:39 <timelyx> if this is debian, um... check the web page :)
Jun 15 04:18:40 <summatusmentis> nope, according to debian faq
Jun 15 04:18:42 <putterson> there we go
Jun 15 04:18:50 <timelyx> summatusmentis: really? wow
Jun 15 04:18:50 <putterson> rootme worked
Jun 15 04:19:11 <summatusmentis> timelyx: I assume whoever puts the image together, sets it to be the same :)
Jun 15 04:19:20 <summatusmentis> timelyx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#FAQ
Jun 15 04:19:42 <timelyx> summatusmentis: i don't want to go anywhere near itt
Jun 15 04:19:54 <summatusmentis> it's the wiki for the debian install, chill out :)
Jun 15 04:20:18 <timelyx> but i trust you :) [and google agreed]
Jun 15 04:20:41 <summatusmentis> is it johnx who does debian?
Jun 15 04:21:13 <angel> how do we get root access in scracthbox?
Jun 15 04:21:22 <angel> scratchbox*
Jun 15 04:21:35 <putterson> so what is the device for the internal flash?
Jun 15 04:22:02 <summatusmentis> iirc, mtdblock4, but I'm not sure on that
Jun 15 04:22:59 <putterson> I have 5 mtdblock's starting with 0
Jun 15 04:23:28 <summatusmentis> this is where my n8x0 experience breaks down
Jun 15 04:23:36 <putterson> ok
Jun 15 04:23:42 <summatusmentis> up until now, I was able to fake my way through it, knowing linux commands :)
Jun 15 04:23:46 <putterson> lol
Jun 15 04:24:02 <putterson> well you have been a big help, thanks :)
Jun 15 04:24:04 <summatusmentis> timelyx: what's the device for internal flash?
Jun 15 04:25:12 <angel> i cant change the resolve.conf file unless i have root privilidges :|
Jun 15 04:25:41 <summatusmentis> lcuk: what sort of editing does liqbase do?
Jun 15 04:25:46 <summatusmentis> angel: try su -
Jun 15 04:26:12 <dererk> hi there
Jun 15 04:26:28 <dererk> anyone did use N770 hard with lastest 2008HE ?
Jun 15 04:27:19 <angel> su, sudo , fakeroot dont give me write permissions
Jun 15 04:28:31 <summatusmentis> all of them should
Jun 15 04:29:30 <angel> none of them do, su says command not found, sudo says must be setuid root, fakeroot doesnt give write permissions
Jun 15 04:30:22 <summatusmentis> /usr/bin/su
Jun 15 04:30:39 <summatusmentis> or, /bin/su
Jun 15 04:30:47 <angel> wat abt it?
Jun 15 04:31:01 <summatusmentis> if it's installed, that's where it'll be
Jun 15 04:31:04 <angel> m sorry, m really new to this stuff
Jun 15 04:31:06 <angel> okk
Jun 15 04:31:09 <AStorm> angel: try root
Jun 15 04:31:15 <AStorm> or gainroot
Jun 15 04:31:46 <AStorm> you probably won't be in wheel group to use su
Jun 15 04:31:54 <angel> ok doesnt look like it is installed, Astorm: root or gainroot dont work
Jun 15 04:32:14 <AStorm> interesting
Jun 15 04:32:19 <timelyx> iirc it's 4, but i'd rather leave people to google
Jun 15 04:32:20 <AStorm> then install easyroot or gainroot package
Jun 15 04:32:26 <summatusmentis> angel's in scratchbox
Jun 15 04:32:29 <timelyx> it's not something i do myself
Jun 15 04:32:45 <timelyx> we have people who are paid to handle such things, i just bring devices and say "it's broken"
Jun 15 04:32:53 <timelyx> then i sit and play w/ another device until they look at it :)
Jun 15 04:33:30 <angel> ok do u think i messed up during installation?
Jun 15 04:35:37 <timelyx> of scratchbox?
Jun 15 04:35:43 <timelyx> no, i think scratchbox is special
Jun 15 04:36:08 <timelyx> if you google'd you'd find a large number of people have trouble w/ networking
Jun 15 04:36:25 <angel> ya i know the problem, its just dumb that i dont have root access..
Jun 15 04:36:30 <summatusmentis> timelyx: yeah well, some of us aren't insiders
Jun 15 04:36:36 <timelyx> oh wait
Jun 15 04:36:41 <timelyx> you don't have su?
Jun 15 04:36:47 <angel> nope
Jun 15 04:36:48 <timelyx> login root
Jun 15 04:36:49 <timelyx> ?
Jun 15 04:36:53 <timelyx> oh err
Jun 15 04:36:55 <timelyx> fakeroot ...
Jun 15 04:37:00 <angel> fakeroot works
Jun 15 04:37:04 <angel> used it before for something
Jun 15 04:37:05 <timelyx> you're in scratchbox, no need for real "root"
Jun 15 04:37:23 <angel> but it doesnt give me write privilidges for the file
Jun 15 04:37:31 <timelyx> summatusmentis: what i did is equivalent of bringing my device to "nokia care"
Jun 15 04:37:42 <timelyx> it's not really more local to me than the other two choices
Jun 15 04:37:51 <angel> ya i just need to change the resolve.conf file
Jun 15 04:37:52 <summatusmentis> putterson: looks like the internal flash is /dev/mtdblock4
Jun 15 04:37:53 <summatusmentis> try that
Jun 15 04:37:55 <timelyx> there's a nokia store downtown, about 5mins further away from home than work
Jun 15 04:38:12 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 15 04:38:15 <timelyx> angel: oh, the real file /scartchbox/etc/... you need real root
Jun 15 04:38:22 <summatusmentis> well... some of us don't live in civilization :)
Jun 15 04:38:24 <timelyx> leave scratchbox
Jun 15 04:38:34 <timelyx> summatusmentis: fedex/ups :)
Jun 15 04:38:37 <angel> alright
Jun 15 04:38:39 <timelyx> or dhl
Jun 15 04:38:49 <timelyx> be happy you don't have to deal w/ poney express
Jun 15 04:38:50 <angel> and just change the resolve.conf from outside?
Jun 15 04:38:53 <timelyx> yes
Jun 15 04:38:57 <summatusmentis> timelyx: takes too long :)
Jun 15 04:39:12 <timelyx> you mean you don't think ponies can fly?
Jun 15 04:40:01 <putterson> summatusmentis, someone has the exact same problem as me on itt
Jun 15 04:40:21 <summatusmentis> putterson: oh really?
Jun 15 04:40:36 <angel> works :)
Jun 15 04:40:38 <putterson> summatusmentis, yeah but they fixed it a more difficult way
Jun 15 04:40:39 <angel> thanks!
Jun 15 04:40:39 <timelyx> www.flyingblueelephants2.com/blog.aspx
Jun 15 04:40:45 <timelyx> it's kinda like ponies...
Jun 15 04:42:24 <timelyx> http://gallery.spacebar.org/images/2006/my-little-flying-pony-small.jpg
Jun 15 04:42:29 <angel> is there anyone here who works on certificate manager?
Jun 15 04:42:30 <timelyx> ^ close enough i guess...
Jun 15 04:42:44 <timelyx> angel: i spoke to someone who's going to replace it eventually
Jun 15 04:42:50 <timelyx> he expected to do it for soon
Jun 15 04:42:53 <timelyx> but i won't promise it :)
Jun 15 04:43:11 <timelyx> angel: why?
Jun 15 04:43:12 <angel> timelyx: replace it wit wat?
Jun 15 04:43:36 * timelyx shrug
Jun 15 04:43:46 <angel> timelyx: i need to work on something which creates certificates, the back end is in C++ and i need to build the front end in python
Jun 15 04:44:17 <angel> timelyx: so if something concrete is coming up, looks like a better idea to integrate it in the entire application
Jun 15 04:44:44 <timelyx> in that case, just build something around pkcs11 modules
Jun 15 04:44:54 <angel> wats tat?
Jun 15 04:45:01 <timelyx> a lot of reading
Jun 15 04:45:25 <angel> looking it up
Jun 15 04:46:07 <timelyx> gecko will probably use: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/NSS_PKCS11_Functions
Jun 15 04:46:14 <timelyx> but this is really very tentative
Jun 15 04:46:21 <timelyx> we only started talking about it on friday :)
Jun 15 04:46:35 <timelyx> earlier last week i had told someone i knew of no plans for pkcs11 :)
Jun 15 04:47:09 <timelyx> but... from a generic perspective
Jun 15 04:47:23 <timelyx> the right thing to do is just create .p12 files and let something else deal w/ it
Jun 15 04:47:33 <angel> hmmm.. okk
Jun 15 04:47:35 <timelyx> certman and microb should be able to import that for you today
Jun 15 04:47:45 <timelyx> but it kinda depends on what you're really trying to do
Jun 15 04:47:53 <angel> i was just going to create a simple interface to start off witj
Jun 15 04:47:55 <angel> with*
Jun 15 04:47:55 <timelyx> either way, pki is relatively well documented
Jun 15 04:49:23 <angel> okk will read up abt it, i am still struggling with the sdk.. trying to get everything up and running before i get to the problem
Jun 15 04:49:37 <timelyx> the device ships w/ nss
Jun 15 04:49:56 <timelyx> so if you need a way to generate certs, you could probably use it
Jun 15 04:50:00 <angel> i am using nokia n810, i reflashed
Jun 15 04:50:07 <timelyx> alternatively, the device also has openssl
Jun 15 04:50:07 <angel> i reflashed it with the  new OS
Jun 15 04:50:11 <timelyx> about which i know absolutely nothing
Jun 15 04:50:12 <angel> ya i know
Jun 15 04:50:42 <angel> but i am doing it based on a paper.. so the back end which actually creates certificates is there.. i dont have to worry abt that
Jun 15 04:50:55 <angel> just the interface is wat m bothered abt
Jun 15 04:51:16 <angel> so if the certificate manager is going to be there i cud try to intergrate it wit tat
Jun 15 04:52:08 <timelyx> you don't want to go there :)
Jun 15 04:52:25 <timelyx> certificate manager in 2008 and older is just a pain
Jun 15 04:52:26 <angel> hehehe looks like it, tats y asked even before reading abt it
Jun 15 04:52:38 <timelyx> and we intend to drop it asap
Jun 15 04:52:41 <angel> *sigh* ill start from scratch i guess
Jun 15 04:53:02 <timelyx> but what's the real goal?
Jun 15 04:53:13 <timelyx> once you've generated a certificate, and possibly added it to the user's device
Jun 15 04:53:17 <timelyx> why does the user benefit?
Jun 15 04:53:22 <angel> to port this application onto something small.. like the phone
Jun 15 04:53:30 <angel> its for authentication purposes
Jun 15 04:53:47 <timelyx> but why generate it on the device
Jun 15 04:54:17 <angel> on this particular device or in general client side?
Jun 15 04:54:57 <timelyx> well... the web browser should be able to generate certificates today if you ask it to
Jun 15 04:55:00 <timelyx> iirc
Jun 15 04:55:19 <angel> well.. why rely on the web browser
Jun 15 04:55:31 <angel> on the device ensures more security right?
Jun 15 04:55:49 <timelyx> and less trust?
Jun 15 04:56:01 <angel> plus this particular device since it was the smallest one we cud find with a nice display
Jun 15 04:56:20 <timelyx> sorry, still not sure i understand the model
Jun 15 04:56:49 <angel> hmmm
Jun 15 04:57:01 <angel> let me see if i can explain it better
Jun 15 04:57:35 <timelyx> http://www.startssl.com/?app=1
Jun 15 04:57:49 <timelyx> if i wanted an ssl cert for use in some form of id, i'd use that
Jun 15 04:57:56 <timelyx> i think i can even use it for openid
Jun 15 04:59:15 <angel> ok wat do these certificates do?
Jun 15 04:59:30 <timelyx> they're certs. i can use them to identify myself to web servers
Jun 15 04:59:37 <angel> wat m trying to do is create a kind of a legal form which u can fill in with details
Jun 15 04:59:39 <timelyx> or to sign/decrypt mail
Jun 15 04:59:59 <angel> ok apart from identification it is used to know wat u have done
Jun 15 05:00:09 <angel> for example u login in to amazon
Jun 15 05:00:22 <angel> tat is the first part of authentication
Jun 15 05:00:51 <angel> then u buy a book, now to confirm u bought a book and not trusting amazon if they decline the order
Jun 15 05:01:10 <angel> u generate a certificate and amazon matches it with certain rules
Jun 15 05:01:24 <angel> so there is less trust and more proof
Jun 15 05:01:36 <angel> not very clear, but even m still figuring it out )
Jun 15 05:01:38 <angel> :)
Jun 15 05:01:46 <dererk> anyone knows which is the approach of using udev?
Jun 15 05:02:16 <timelyx> angel: that's kinda the point of this
Jun 15 05:02:25 <timelyx> angel: try setting up an ssl cert w/ startssl
Jun 15 05:02:34 <timelyx> it's fairly easy + painless
Jun 15 05:02:42 <timelyx> although, i can't remember how well it worked in microb
Jun 15 05:03:09 <timelyx> i think in the end we had to copy the db file from a normal gecko over because the certman apis were too broken to actually work
Jun 15 05:03:26 <angel> timelyx: m doing it for a prof, ill look into startssl.. but there is a certificate description language already there.. i have no idea how all this works yet
Jun 15 05:03:50 <angel> timelyx: ill hang out on the irc, so will see how it works and ur help will be nice to have :)
Jun 15 05:03:58 <summatusmentis> 'night all
Jun 15 05:04:05 <summatusmentis> good luck putterson
Jun 15 05:04:11 <timelyx> anyway, if part of the task is making a cert... then yeah
Jun 15 05:04:38 <angel> well making the certificate is apparently done.. i need to do the interface
Jun 15 05:04:49 <angel> port the application onto the tablet
Jun 15 05:04:59 <timelyx> well, how is the user going to really use it?
Jun 15 05:05:07 <timelyx> usually users use certs from their web browser  or mail client
Jun 15 05:05:16 <angel> well, there shud be a server support to it too
Jun 15 05:05:32 <timelyx> and the integration between browser and system is essentially broken
Jun 15 05:05:32 <angel> there is a compiler description language and then there are rules by the server
Jun 15 05:06:07 <angel> well, i am not really sure how this whole thing will fit in eventually. m still figuring it out
Jun 15 05:06:10 <timelyx> well, if you're building your own demo, i'd suggest building firefox3 :)
Jun 15 05:06:24 <angel> and its good to have questions and comments like these :)
Jun 15 05:06:25 <angel> hehe
Jun 15 05:06:38 <timelyx> anyway, at least play w/ startssl a bit
Jun 15 05:06:45 <angel> yup will do
Jun 15 05:06:49 <angel> thanks
Jun 15 05:06:51 <timelyx> the basic system generates a cert which gets installed into the browser
Jun 15 05:06:54 <angel> okk
Jun 15 05:07:01 <timelyx> when you return to startssl, if you want to change your profile
Jun 15 05:07:03 <timelyx> you're using that cert
Jun 15 05:07:07 <dererk> timelyx, did you try the mibrob port of FF3?
Jun 15 05:07:09 <timelyx> which is basically the roud tripping
Jun 15 05:07:10 <angel> oh ok
Jun 15 05:07:26 <timelyx> dererk: we've internally moved to a newer pull, yes
Jun 15 05:07:29 <angel> i am yet to look at the code which generates the certificate
Jun 15 05:07:33 <timelyx> if you're sniffing our svn, you may have noticed
Jun 15 05:07:39 <angel> so will look at startssl
Jun 15 05:07:59 <dererk> timelyx, how fast is it compared with the older microb, in your opinion?
Jun 15 05:08:00 <angel> i have a loooot of things to do.. just starting :)
Jun 15 05:08:43 <timelyx> um... "slower"
Jun 15 05:08:48 <timelyx> and it depends which
Jun 15 05:09:01 <timelyx> since the old microb is gtk2 minus cairo
Jun 15 05:09:10 <dererk> I see
Jun 15 05:09:10 <timelyx> whereas the new microb actually has choices
Jun 15 05:09:16 <timelyx> but all of them are "slower"
Jun 15 05:09:24 <dererk> I need the fastest browser I could find right now
Jun 15 05:09:33 <timelyx> define "fastest"
Jun 15 05:09:40 <dererk> timelyx, ok, I understand
Jun 15 05:09:44 <timelyx> do you need rendering speed, or js processing speed, or something else
Jun 15 05:10:04 <timelyx> if you have needs, you'll probably be best taking your benchmarks and applying them
Jun 15 05:10:21 <dererk> my current microb (the one it comes with 2008HE) is _too_ slowly while getting pages and images
Jun 15 05:10:32 <timelyx> we're hoping as everyone else is hoping that eventually the platform will get faster
Jun 15 05:10:33 <dererk> it takes about 4 minutes tu get a page
Jun 15 05:10:39 <dererk> with, 4 o 5 pics
Jun 15 05:10:45 <timelyx> um
Jun 15 05:10:50 <dererk> it's killing me
Jun 15 05:11:17 <timelyx> about:config?sprefname=http.max
Jun 15 05:11:25 <timelyx> try tweaking those numbers?
Jun 15 05:11:26 <dererk> a second
Jun 15 05:11:38 <timelyx> (read about them before you go tweak crazy)
Jun 15 05:11:40 <dererk> loading browser
Jun 15 05:12:06 <dererk> timelyx, any documentation recomended about that?
Jun 15 05:12:17 <timelyx> google? (mozillazine or mdc)
Jun 15 05:12:26 <dererk> :S
Jun 15 05:13:16 <timelyx> personally, i'd trust mozilla.org and demal.dk more than mozillazine
Jun 15 05:13:24 <timelyx> and mozillazine more than *tweak*
Jun 15 05:13:38 <timelyx> but i've stayed away from mz for 6-7years
Jun 15 05:13:44 <timelyx> it's kinda the mozilla equivalent of itt
Jun 15 05:14:04 <dererk> max-connections int 24
Jun 15 05:14:10 <dererk> seems fine, doesn't it?
Jun 15 05:15:52 <timelyx> it's usually the per server number that's a problem
Jun 15 05:16:01 <dererk> uhm
Jun 15 05:16:05 <dererk> it says 4
Jun 15 05:16:13 <timelyx> mine is 8 on camino
Jun 15 05:16:23 <timelyx> are you using a proxy?
Jun 15 05:16:27 <dererk> nope
Jun 15 05:16:30 <timelyx> k
Jun 15 05:16:33 <dererk> thanks for the tip
Jun 15 05:16:44 * dererk googling for tunning
Jun 15 05:17:26 * timelyx fines dererk 1 - n
Jun 15 05:18:23 <dererk> heh
Jun 15 05:19:33 <angel> hey, wen i flashed my device i didnt do the R&D mode, can i still get root access?
Jun 15 05:20:04 <dererk> R&D?
Jun 15 05:20:27 <angel> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html
Jun 15 05:21:00 <angel> to install python u need root access on the phone, to get root access u need to do something wen u flash the device
Jun 15 05:25:47 <timelyx> angel: you hav a dozen choices
Jun 15 05:25:52 <timelyx> i personally use capture-root
Jun 15 05:25:58 <timelyx> (because i wrote it)
Jun 15 05:27:57 <angel> hehe then ill use that
Jun 15 05:28:30 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
Jun 15 05:28:37 <timelyx> you need to create ~/.ssh/authorized_keys first
Jun 15 05:28:45 <timelyx> i usually do (from device):
Jun 15 05:28:47 <timelyx> 1. run xterm
Jun 15 05:28:52 <timelyx> 2. ssh-keygen -t rsa
Jun 15 05:28:57 <timelyx> <enter><enter>
Jun 15 05:29:06 <timelyx> cat ~/.ssh/*.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
Jun 15 05:29:12 <timelyx> and then i install the deb
Jun 15 05:29:17 <angel> oops, battery running out on the device
Jun 15 05:29:23 <timelyx> that's not good :)
Jun 15 05:31:21 <angel> ssh not found :)
Jun 15 05:32:12 <timelyx> app manager, install openssh-client ?
Jun 15 05:33:52 <angel>  doing it
Jun 15 05:45:53 <RST38bis> hi qwwerty
Jun 15 05:46:11 <qwerty12> hi RST38h
Jun 15 05:48:52 <timelyx> 01:15 timelyx could someone ask qwerty12 to load about:crashes in firefox3 ?
Jun 15 05:54:29 <qwerty12> timelyx, would do but I'm in windows atm
Jun 15 05:56:00 <RST38bis> you  have bootedd  windows  on the taabllet?  :)
Jun 15 05:56:29 <qwerty12> Well, I could do slowly using Dosbox, but I'll say no :p
Jun 15 06:34:40 <lopz> night
Jun 15 07:31:01 <Khertan> Hi !
Jun 15 08:16:56 <Italodance> can u give me ur Google Talk username ?
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Jun 15 09:32:50 <tuukkah> have others noticed modest taking 100% since latest update?
Jun 15 09:33:02 <tuukkah> (100% cpu, that is)
Jun 15 09:35:31 <sp3000> oh, crap, another tuukka
Jun 15 09:35:38 <sp3000> my poor highlights
Jun 15 09:36:25 * sp3000 updates
Jun 15 09:36:29 <tuukkah> how about tuu?kk?a[^h] ?-)
Jun 15 10:09:08 * timeless sighs
Jun 15 10:09:13 <timeless> eds svn *sucks*
Jun 15 10:09:15 <timeless> it's *huge*
Jun 15 10:09:37 * timeless considers trying to blacklist it or something
Jun 15 11:05:25 <timeless> ping?
Jun 15 11:07:48 <timeless> andrea: do you have an n810 handy?
Jun 15 11:13:23 <Gary> is there a "better" irc client than xchat for the n810?  (I also have irssi in terminal, but it's kinda hard to use)
Jun 15 11:14:25 <Gary> sorry for not being able to define "better" <-- thats why I used the ""'s
Jun 15 11:14:27 <timeless> i use ssh/screen/epic
Jun 15 11:49:36 <tuukkah> Gary, it would be interesting to think about "better" - maybe xchat can be improved
Jun 15 12:09:32 <blahdeblah-lap> Hi folks.  I'm wondering if anyone can help me with some repairs on my N800.  It dropped out of my pocket onto concrete last week, and the front cover is coming off.
Jun 15 12:09:33 <blahdeblah-lap> Picture here: http://gear.dyndns.org/~paulgear/IMG_6518a.JPG
Jun 15 12:10:14 <blahdeblah-lap> I'm in Australia, with no in-country support, which means it will be cost-prohibitive to get official repairs.
Jun 15 12:10:51 <Ave> is there a clip loose somewhere maybe?
Jun 15 12:11:01 <Ave> no idea how the 800 is constructed
Jun 15 12:11:09 <blahdeblah-lap> Me neither
Jun 15 12:11:11 <Ave> I'd probably try some CA if all else fails
Jun 15 12:11:13 <blahdeblah-lap> The unit works perfectly, except the buttons keep sliding around everywhere and the cover keeps popping out.
Jun 15 12:11:18 <Ave> or very thin double sided tape
Jun 15 12:11:22 <blahdeblah-lap> Ave: CA?
Jun 15 12:11:29 <Ave> cyanoacrylate glue
Jun 15 12:11:29 <blahdeblah-lap> CAnada?
Jun 15 12:11:33 <blahdeblah-lap> :-)
Jun 15 12:11:59 <Ave> plastic clips break easily, even aluminum does
Jun 15 12:12:09 <blahdeblah-lap> Yeah
Jun 15 12:12:13 <Ave> I have yet to drop my 810, knock knock
Jun 15 12:13:11 <blahdeblah-lap> I think the main thing i'm wondering is whether the front panel can just be prised off gently.  If so, i could bend it back into place.
Jun 15 12:13:58 <Ave> methinks there exists a possibility that you'll break the rest of attaching clips as well :P
Jun 15 12:14:05 <Ave> but without knowing the construction, who knows
Jun 15 12:14:06 <blahdeblah-lap> yeah
Jun 15 12:14:20 <Ave> can you obtain explosion pics from somewhere
Jun 15 12:14:27 <Ave> maemo.org ? eh
Jun 15 12:14:34 <blahdeblah-lap> That's what i figured i could ask here ;-)
Jun 15 12:15:07 <Ave> hm you could try perusing gadgeteer or similar sites
Jun 15 12:15:15 <Ave> usually they disassemble all new review toys
Jun 15 12:15:48 <Ave> like you can find zillion instructions for gutting an ipod
Jun 15 12:16:18 <sp3000> the googley word would be disassembly
Jun 15 12:17:15 <blahdeblah-lap> Looks like someone else has had a similar experience: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5327
Jun 15 12:22:19 <sp3000> e.g. http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/nokia-n800-dissection-and-reassembly.html
Jun 15 12:28:37 <blahdeblah-lap> Yeah - just found that
Jun 15 12:29:07 <blahdeblah-lap> Three small clips at the bottom under the stand, and my front panel is off.
Jun 15 12:29:18 <blahdeblah-lap> Time to get this sucker straightened again!
Jun 15 12:31:15 <blahdeblah-lap> Thanks for the help folks
Jun 15 12:32:42 <Ave> happy hacking
Jun 15 12:47:09 <blahdeblah-lap> All fixed!  It's never going to be quite the same, but at least the button pad isn't sliding around everywhere.  :-)
Jun 15 13:41:07 <Khertan__> Hi !
Jun 15 13:44:37 <Khertan__> someone know how to set up the title of an hildon windows in python
Jun 15 13:44:38 <Khertan__> ?
Jun 15 13:45:03 <Khertan__> when i do it there is still the script name added before
Jun 15 13:56:20 <macoute> my n810 is kinda fucked up now, and i cant access it via ssh
Jun 15 13:56:54 <macoute> linux however seems to recognize it with usb cable ok, so is there a way to ssh via usb-cable?
Jun 15 13:57:01 <macoute> usb recovery or smthng?
Jun 15 13:57:13 <Robot101> macoute: no but you can reflash it with the cable
Jun 15 13:57:21 <macoute> yeah, of course
Jun 15 13:57:31 <Robot101> the only console it has is serial, and you need a special piece of hardware to mount it to do that
Jun 15 13:57:50 <macoute> i think some of my apps didnt install perfectly and i thought that i could try dpkg --reconfigure first
Jun 15 13:57:53 <macoute> but lets reflash :)
Jun 15 13:58:03 <Robot101> does it not boot at all?
Jun 15 13:58:08 <macoute> yeah it does
Jun 15 13:58:13 <macoute> but it doesnt load hildon at all
Jun 15 13:58:18 <Robot101> so can you get the xterm on the screen?
Jun 15 13:58:20 <Robot101> oh, nasty
Jun 15 13:58:25 <macoute> yeah, kinda :)
Jun 15 13:58:57 <Robot101> if you can get an xterm, you can try ssh root@localhost
Jun 15 13:59:00 <macoute> it kinda works though, if i pressed shutdown button it gave me the menu (howerver only a part of it showing on a screen) and i could use it there
Jun 15 13:59:07 <macoute> now its reflashed again
Jun 15 14:18:29 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=omap+3
Jun 15 14:18:55 <Atarii> cheap T8 screwdrivers suck :(
Jun 15 14:19:35 <johnx> pupnik_, any one in particular?
Jun 15 14:20:04 <pupnik_> nah, just some demos
Jun 15 14:24:17 <johnx> mmm...speaking of omap3 there's some pics of the naked pandora boards up on their site
Jun 15 14:24:41 <RST38h> porn
Jun 15 14:24:54 <RST38h> I am sure Karel would make some good use of those pics
Jun 15 14:25:04 <GAN800> lol
Jun 15 14:25:35 <t_s_o> pandora, beagleboard, seems like arm based systems are on a roll these days ;)
Jun 15 14:25:53 <johnx> Linux on small systems looks better and better :)
Jun 15 14:25:53 * GAN800 still doesn't get the Tegra fetish.
Jun 15 14:26:50 <t_s_o> and the small systems become more and more powerfull, all thats really needed is to hook up bigger screens :P
Jun 15 14:27:50 <johnx> or good video goggles...
Jun 15 14:28:12 <t_s_o> heh, maybe so
Jun 15 14:28:36 <johnx> hey, it's the future already, right? where are my video goggles?
Jun 15 14:28:44 <t_s_o> still, i dont see many arm based systems with (s)ata controllers...
Jun 15 14:28:48 <pupnik_> we been waiting wayyy too long for good video goggles
Jun 15 14:29:24 <johnx> sony showed something that looked promising the other day
Jun 15 14:29:28 <johnx> a prototype of course...
Jun 15 14:29:45 <t_s_o> http://myvu.com/
Jun 15 14:31:01 * johnx was thinking these: http://gizmodo.com/393124/sony-video-glasses-will-turn-everyone-star-trek-chic
Jun 15 14:31:20 <pupnik_> good price/performance on the myvu t_s_o
Jun 15 14:31:54 <t_s_o> no idea pupnik_, its the only ones i can remember the webpage of :P
Jun 15 14:33:32 <t_s_o> ah yes, here are some i keep misremembering the name of: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear/index.html
Jun 15 14:33:44 <t_s_o> interesting thing here is the support for usb power ;)
Jun 15 14:36:39 <pupnik_> would be nice if USB could have become a generic charging/power interface
Jun 15 14:36:50 <pupnik_> perhaps a high-power line and a low-power line
Jun 15 14:37:18 <t_s_o> like how firewire have 12V (on a good day)
Jun 15 14:37:38 <johnx> it would be nice as long as USB ports could pump out a bit more current
Jun 15 14:37:39 <pupnik_> yeah.. at 5v somethings just need too many mA
Jun 15 14:37:42 <johnx> like maybe twice as much?
Jun 15 14:38:23 <pupnik_> i'd have liked that
Jun 15 14:39:35 <pupnik_> maybe it's possible for USB 3.0?
Jun 15 14:40:17 <johnx> talk to intel
Jun 15 14:40:53 <johnx> yeah, it would be really nice if it was nice and backwards compatible but hosts and devices could negotiate for higher current
Jun 15 14:43:12 <t_s_o> heh, iirc apple got intel to design a special usb controll for the air, as it only have one usb port and it didnt deliver enough for their special air superdrive (that name so irks me)
Jun 15 14:52:38 <pupnik_> i'm just very tired of all these ac-dc adapters
Jun 15 14:55:47 <t_s_o> http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/06/13/support-grows-universal-power-adapter
Jun 15 15:07:03 <darkblue_B> hello- I just ran x11vnc invoked via a shell rather than the GUI button. I get a *lot* of feedback, info, tip, options, etc
Jun 15 15:07:26 <darkblue_B> but, when I connect wththe same client I had been using, it draws the screen, but then bails
Jun 15 15:07:36 <darkblue_B> unknown rectangle encoding or someting
Jun 15 15:07:38 <darkblue_B> weird
Jun 15 15:08:17 <darkblue_B> I guess that the GUI is starting with some params.. that I am not passsing when starting via CLI
Jun 15 15:08:35 <darkblue_B> I wonder how I might sleuth that a little more...
Jun 15 15:08:57 <darkblue_B> x11vnc -h produces 100s of lines of options
Jun 15 15:08:58 <johnx> look in /usr/share/applications/hildon-desktop/ or similar
Jun 15 15:09:07 <johnx> and look for its .desktop file
Jun 15 15:09:12 <darkblue_B> ok, looking
Jun 15 15:09:58 <hrw> morning
Jun 15 15:10:07 <hrw> speaking about usb...
Jun 15 15:10:16 <hrw> usb really lack 3.3V support
Jun 15 15:10:23 <RST38h> hrw, it is 19:10
Jun 15 15:10:32 <RST38h> your local time can't be much off
Jun 15 15:10:39 <darkblue_B> johnx: here is what i see.. no hildon-desktop
Jun 15 15:10:49 <darkblue_B> http://dpaste.com/56717/
Jun 15 15:10:55 <hrw> ~ugt
Jun 15 15:10:56 <infobot> well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Jun 15 15:10:57 <johnx> darkblue_B, is there hildon-something?
Jun 15 15:11:00 <RST38h> and you can make 3.3V out of 5V with a trivial circuit
Jun 15 15:11:12 <hrw> RST38h: there is always morning somewhere
Jun 15 15:11:15 <johnx> darkblue_B, just hildon then
Jun 15 15:11:17 <RST38h> true
Jun 15 15:11:18 <darkblue_B> ~x11vnc
Jun 15 15:11:21 <RST38h> at least for now...
Jun 15 15:11:33 <darkblue_B> johnx: ok, looking
Jun 15 15:11:45 <hrw> RST38h: imagine device which has 3.3V everything. now you need to bump 3.3V to 5V for usb and then usb device do 5V->3.3V inside
Jun 15 15:12:02 <hrw> RST38h: there are lot of them
Jun 15 15:12:13 <hrw> RST38h: this way you loose power twice
Jun 15 15:12:20 <t_s_o> heh, $499 ethernet cable. its just so insane its funny :)
Jun 15 15:12:26 <RST38h> hrw: well, too bad for you =)
Jun 15 15:12:46 <hrw> RST38h: nokia tablets are one of such devices
Jun 15 15:12:53 <RST38h> Maybe you will feel better if I tell you that most current SoCs regenerate their power anyway?
Jun 15 15:12:59 <lorelei_> t_s_o: I'm wondering how many people will fall for it :)
Jun 15 15:13:11 <hrw> RST38h: today more and more devices are 1.5-1.8V even
Jun 15 15:13:20 <RST38h> The reason is to have a stable voltage all the way until your battery gives out a ghost
Jun 15 15:13:29 <t_s_o> http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp <- i dont know, but it seems to be a high end brand...
Jun 15 15:13:45 <darkblue_B> johnx: interesting  http://dpaste.com/56718/
Jun 15 15:14:03 <RST38h> hrw: whatever input voltage is, a standard SoC will usually up-convert it anyway
Jun 15 15:14:26 <darkblue_B> that hildon dir.. those are the linkes to the apps, roughly
Jun 15 15:14:39 <johnx> those are the menu entries
Jun 15 15:14:48 <Ave> anyone know what the exact OS 2008 version is in the wimax n810?
Jun 15 15:15:08 <hrw> Ave: wimax edition is not in sales yet
Jun 15 15:15:16 <RST38h> hrw: So it can just as well up-convert it to 5V
Jun 15 15:15:36 <Ave> hrw: orly? I thought its been out since april..
Jun 15 15:15:40 <RST38h> Whether you want to down-convert it in a USB device is completely up to you, the device designer
Jun 15 15:15:41 <johnx> Ave, the version consists of the year, week and build number, so no one can know (even Nokia) until the absolutely final build
Jun 15 15:15:43 <darkblue_B> johnx: ah ha.. well, still no clue as to why the vnc failure, but this is interesting
Jun 15 15:15:46 <hrw> RST38h: sure. it can even generate 380V - it is just a matter of how much power you wanna loose
Jun 15 15:15:48 <johnx> Ave, it's announced since april
Jun 15 15:16:07 <hrw> Ave: it is known that such device exists since then.
Jun 15 15:16:09 <Ave> ok thanks, I just misunderstood the blog I'm reading (tabletblog)
Jun 15 15:16:35 <RST38h> hrw: correct
Jun 15 15:16:37 <hrw> Ave: when os2008 leaked it was known then there will be something after n810
Jun 15 15:16:42 <Ave> While standard on the Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition, current owners of Nokia N810 and N800 Internet Tablets with earlier operating systems will be able to upgrade their device to the revised operating system for free during the second quarter of 2008.
Jun 15 15:16:57 <RST38h> hrw: I guess you are not losing a lot when converting from 3 to 5V, or they would not use this circuitry
Jun 15 15:16:59 <Ave> or how can you misunderstand "Q2 2008"
Jun 15 15:17:09 <hrw> Ave: n800 was rx34, n810 was rx44 and os2008 filesystem has files for rx48 (which is wimx ver)
Jun 15 15:17:19 <Ave> yep
Jun 15 15:17:35 <johnx> IIRC, Q2 isn't over yet
Jun 15 15:17:41 <Ave> during
Jun 15 15:17:41 <RST38h> hrw: It is also possible (have to check) that the real waste rate depends on the current, not on the voltage step
Jun 15 15:17:42 <Navi> It isn't
Jun 15 15:17:45 <hrw> RST38h: they have to if they want to use usb host/device
Jun 15 15:17:48 <Ave> isnt it
Jun 15 15:17:55 <RST38h> hrw: No, you are missing my point
Jun 15 15:18:12 <RST38h> hrw: My point is that they do it even when they don't have a USB host at all
Jun 15 15:18:20 <Navi> They can launch Diablo any time this month and still hit their vague launch timespan
Jun 15 15:18:31 <hrw> RST38h: usb device lines are 5V level
Jun 15 15:18:43 <hrw> Navi: who told that Diablo is os2008?
Jun 15 15:18:46 <darkblue_B> yeah, when I start x11vnc on the GUI, it works.. weird
Jun 15 15:19:01 <RST38h> hrw: but if you have a converter anyway, then you can use it to convert to 5V
Jun 15 15:19:05 <hrw> Navi: they can release diablo as os2009 or any other name
Jun 15 15:19:05 <Navi> hrw, who told you that someone told me that Diablo is OS2008?
Jun 15 15:19:12 <hrw> ;)
Jun 15 15:19:32 <Navi> hrw, they can release Diablo as OS2100 or any other name
Jun 15 15:19:42 <Navi> Straw man is straw
Jun 15 15:19:43 <RST38h> OS2100 sounds like a plan
Jun 15 15:19:59 <johnx> It was me! First I told myself that Diablo was OS2008, then I told Navi...
Jun 15 15:20:17 <hrw> ~blame johnx for all evil
Jun 15 15:20:17 * infobot blames LoCusF and perhaps johnx for all evil and all the evil in the world
Jun 15 15:20:28 <RST38h> KILL KILL
Jun 15 15:20:37 <RST38h> sssssaaacrificcccceee
Jun 15 15:20:47 * johnx bunts
Jun 15 15:20:49 <darkblue_B> uh.. chill
Jun 15 15:22:49 <GAN800> hrw, Diablo is 4.1.
Jun 15 15:22:55 * GAN800 eyerolls.
Jun 15 15:24:32 <Navi> Like I had said before, straw man is straw.
Jun 15 15:26:53 <johnx> ah, and everyone wants to know the number of the beast...
Jun 15 15:58:13 <TPC> hello
Jun 15 15:58:26 <TPC> I have a very strange problem with maemo that happens in mulitple unrelated apps
Jun 15 15:58:34 <TPC> buttons and text lables doesn't get their correct text
Jun 15 15:58:49 <johnx> they get a strange long string instead?
Jun 15 15:58:57 <pupnik_> did you delete themes?
Jun 15 15:59:10 <TPC> johnx, yes
Jun 15 15:59:12 <TPC> pupnik_, no
Jun 15 15:59:22 <johnx> sounds like something is wrong with your locale
Jun 15 15:59:33 <johnx> What language are you using?
Jun 15 16:00:13 <TPC> thats what I thought, I was using swedish
Jun 15 16:00:28 <TPC> but I also tried switchign to English (UK) and its the same problem there
Jun 15 16:00:34 <johnx> interesting
Jun 15 16:00:49 <johnx> does it also happen with built in apps? or only 3rd party?
Jun 15 16:01:11 <TPC> it happens in the web browser to
Jun 15 16:01:12 <TPC> too*
Jun 15 16:03:19 <pupnik_> there's a map between internal names and language-specific labels
Jun 15 16:03:27 <pupnik_> and somehow that got messed up
Jun 15 16:04:25 <TPC> I've had it ever since I upgraded to OS2008 months ago
Jun 15 16:04:48 <TPC> haven't bothered doing anything about it since it doesn't happen in my ebook reader or in xterm, which are the apps I use 99% of the time
Jun 15 16:05:07 <TPC> but now I need to use skype to talk to someone in another country, and can't get past the sign up dialog since I don't know what is what
Jun 15 16:05:38 <pupnik_> if it occurred with the upgrade, i would have to guess that there was a problem in flashing
Jun 15 16:05:53 <TPC> I've reflashed when the second OS2008 came too
Jun 15 16:06:07 <pupnik_> did you restore backed-up data after flashing?
Jun 15 16:06:14 <TPC> no
Jun 15 16:06:18 <pupnik_> the images themselves should be clean
Jun 15 16:06:44 <pupnik_> quite a mystery
Jun 15 16:07:20 <pupnik_> any thoughts johnx ?
Jun 15 16:07:38 <johnx> nah, this is out of my league
Jun 15 16:07:42 <johnx> really strange
Jun 15 16:08:12 <johnx> if it were me, I'd probably try reflashing one last time then sending it back to Nokia
Jun 15 16:08:34 <TPC> well, anyone mind guiding me trought the skype set up dialog, so I can just do the sign up?
Jun 15 16:08:51 <Atarii> can you not sign up on teh computer first
Jun 15 16:09:10 <TPC> can't install skype, I run linux with an architecture they don't support
Jun 15 16:09:26 <Atarii> cant you sign up through their webpage?
Jun 15 16:09:38 <qwerty12> what does "echo $LANG" return?
Jun 15 16:09:40 <Anunakin> what u arch?
Jun 15 16:10:10 <TPC> qwerty12, sv_SE.UTF-8
Jun 15 16:10:28 <TPC> qwerty12, I changed it in .profile because characters got messed up when I sshd home to use IRC from it otherwise
Jun 15 16:10:28 <shapr> oj, svensk!
Jun 15 16:10:33 <TPC> I forgot about that
Jun 15 16:10:41 <TPC> I suppose that could be it
Jun 15 16:10:45 <qwerty12> Hm, I'd try resetting it back to sv_SE
Jun 15 16:11:37 <RST38h> all right folks, whoever wants a new version of Speccy for Maemo, get it from http://fms.komkon.org/Speccy/
Jun 15 16:12:07 <GAN800> If it's messed up after a clean flash then it's a hardware problem.
Jun 15 16:12:16 <pupnik_> awesome RST38h
Jun 15 16:12:25 <GAN800> Download a new image, flash it and tell us how it goes.
Jun 15 16:12:53 <TPC> I edited .profile at the same time that I flashed
Jun 15 16:13:05 <TPC> so it could be that
Jun 15 16:13:11 <qwerty12> Take out that LANG line from the profile then :/
Jun 15 16:13:29 <GAN800> Don't do anything after you flash it. Don't restore a backup. Don't screw with the settings.
Jun 15 16:13:42 <TPC> qwerty12, thats what I'm trying now
Jun 15 16:15:16 <TPC> yep, that did it
Jun 15 16:15:18 <TPC> thanks for the help
Jun 15 16:15:20 <qwerty12> np
Jun 15 16:15:22 <summatusmentis> RST38h: what is Speccy?
Jun 15 16:16:13 <pupnik_> check the link
Jun 15 16:16:24 <RST38h> summa: follow the link?
Jun 15 16:16:44 <GAN800> lol
Jun 15 16:17:12 <pupnik_> maybe the first sentence after "what is speccy" should be "Speecy is a Sinclair ZX Spectrum computer emulator."
Jun 15 16:17:26 <pupnik_> *speccy
Jun 15 16:18:07 <RST38h> pupnik: Ah, last homepage rehash left that statement in the second paragraph...
Jun 15 16:18:12 <RST38h> ok, a moment
Jun 15 16:20:21 <RST38h> pupnik: done, check
Jun 15 16:21:36 <pupnik_> good
Jun 15 16:22:53 <pupnik_> i'm trying to not be hyperbolic in my appreciation of your work :)
Jun 15 16:23:25 <pupnik_> but it is pretty incredible
Jun 15 16:24:47 <pupnik_> i don't see how one person writes so much stuff
Jun 15 16:29:28 <RST38h> one person reuses =)
Jun 15 16:39:28 <shackan> RST38h, pupnik_: what do you think about the pandora?
Jun 15 16:58:47 <RST38h> shackan: it is a generic OMAP3-based device with some really ugly keyboard attached
Jun 15 16:59:00 <RST38h> vix85: I am unregistered at freenode. Can't msg you.
Jun 15 16:59:31 <RST38h> vix85: see http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/HOWTO.html though
Jun 15 17:00:26 <vix85> RST38h: ok thnx. Im reading it.. but should I start learning ASM? I only know C/C++, C#, Java
Jun 15 17:00:34 <shackan> RST38h: agree, but at least it's more powerful and cheaper than a n810, and it doesn't make EVERYBODY ask whether it's a phone or not
Jun 15 17:00:58 <shackan> software is going to be a problem tough...
Jun 15 17:02:31 <johnx> shackan, it will depend on the community
Jun 15 17:06:29 <RST38h> vix85: you do not need assembler
Jun 15 17:06:42 <RST38h> shackan: Pandora does not yet exist
Jun 15 17:06:52 <RST38h> shackan: What makes you think it is cheaper or more powerful?
Jun 15 17:07:04 <johnx> RST38h, they've finalized hardware and price
Jun 15 17:07:10 <johnx> unless they go back on their word
Jun 15 17:07:29 <RST38h> johnx: They finalize it when you see it on sale in Micro Warehouse or Circuit City
Jun 15 17:07:43 <RST38h> Until that, it's vaporware
Jun 15 17:07:55 <shackan> we'll see
Jun 15 17:08:23 <johnx> RST38h, then I guess we must prefix all talk about the pandora as follows: "If they release what they said they will, then..."
Jun 15 17:08:56 <RST38h> Also, for the sake of your common sense I suggest you treat it as a generic OMAP-based pocketable device with no software base or developer base
Jun 15 17:09:02 <RST38h> Because this is what it is at the moment
Jun 15 17:09:25 <RST38h> johnx: Basically, yes. If you feel like talking about Pandora of course.
Jun 15 17:10:02 <konttori_> hey, any good ideas on how to make a fast, potentially cached, gtk listview to handle thousands of items and yet be fast?
Jun 15 17:10:11 <konttori_> Just asking in case anyone has stumbled on the issue
Jun 15 17:10:20 <johnx> RST38h, when I think about software, I assume I'll have to do my own port of Debian from the ground up...and it still seems like fun :)
Jun 15 17:10:22 <RST38h> johnx: There is *some* chance that it will be successful and sell like hotcakes, but given previous history of such devices, this chance is very low
Jun 15 17:10:45 <konttori_> i tested doing the sorting out of the model, then appending the model to the view, but it still takes seconds when the item count starts to grow over few hundred
Jun 15 17:10:56 <RST38h> johnx: Well, I hope they do not release this device solely for people who would like to port Debian to it
Jun 15 17:11:18 <johnx> RST38h, I'm just saying: I'm not taking anything else for granted
Jun 15 17:11:21 <RST38h> konttori: there is no way. it is slow.
Jun 15 17:11:31 <RST38h> And QT is also slow, in case you are having thoughts.
Jun 15 17:12:12 <hrw> re
Jun 15 17:12:26 <hrw> does someone here runs windows xp?
Jun 15 17:13:03 <RST38h> yes. what?
Jun 15 17:13:36 <hrw> RST38h:  I wonder about xp sp3 - install or not?
Jun 15 17:13:37 <konttori_> RST38h: thanks for the comment. I've been looking for the easygrid now. It seems to offer cached replacement of the listview.
Jun 15 17:13:44 <konttori_> but I cannot find it anywhere.
Jun 15 17:14:20 <hrw> brb
Jun 15 17:15:05 <RST38h> konttori: in principle, you would only need a widget that does not process the whole list at once on creation
Jun 15 17:15:23 <RST38h> hrw:Install.
Jun 15 17:15:29 <RST38h> Done it twice. Still ticking.
Jun 15 17:15:34 <derf> They've been written before.
Jun 15 17:15:41 <derf> See, e.g., Banshee.
Jun 15 17:15:54 <Italodance> who are asian here?
Jun 15 17:16:07 <konttori_> RST38h: true: currently the model creation is about as fast as it should be
Jun 15 17:16:28 <konttori_> the view creation is the thing that has been messed up.
Jun 15 17:16:30 <derf> Modeled after the Swing approach, which is that all you really need is a total number of rows, a uniform height for each row, and something to get the ith row.
Jun 15 17:16:43 <konttori_> so, in theory, lazy creation of the items *might* do the trick
Jun 15 17:18:17 <Italodance> hi pupnik :D
Jun 15 17:18:32 <hrw> RST38h: ok
Jun 15 17:19:32 <konttori_> derf: yeah, banshee approach is the one I'm interested in
Jun 15 17:23:05 <derf> I mean, this has _long_ been known to be the correct way to do things.
Jun 15 17:23:09 <Italodance> konttori_
Jun 15 17:23:17 <Italodance> banshee?
Jun 15 17:23:17 <derf> I'm actually fairly astounded both GTK+ and Qt got it wrong.
Jun 15 17:23:22 <RST38h> konttori: yep
Jun 15 17:23:39 <RST38h> derf: they never thought of having 1000+ items
Jun 15 17:23:42 <Italodance> J:\XViD\Banshee.2006.STV.DVDRip.XViD-M14CH0
Jun 15 17:23:44 <Italodance> ????
Jun 15 17:23:48 <derf> RST38h: Then they are fools.
Jun 15 17:24:05 <konttori_> I also cannot understand what they were smoking when they conjured the list views like that
Jun 15 17:24:06 <RST38h> konttori: if you feel adventurous, check just WHAT exactly GTK is scanning these items for
Jun 15 17:24:12 <johnx> Italodance, banshee music player for linux
Jun 15 17:24:16 <n800m> i have 20k items :/
Jun 15 17:24:24 <RST38h> konttori: if they are trying to compute item width, this may be disabled
Jun 15 17:24:28 <n800m> takes a couple minutes
Jun 15 17:24:49 <konttori_> One guy at nokia made own cached listview that supported easily million rows
Jun 15 17:25:03 <konttori_> he's on vacation though at the moment, so can't copy his progress.
Jun 15 17:25:03 <RST38h> hehe folks you have never tried showing 20k items in html browser using layers...
Jun 15 17:25:30 <derf> Browsers are not for serious applications.
Jun 15 17:25:33 <RST38h> kottori: I hope we will see it in diablo fm framework ;)
Jun 15 17:25:33 <Italodance> johnx hehe tnx
Jun 15 17:25:54 <konttori_> banshee is supposed to support easily 100 000 songs
Jun 15 17:26:01 <derf> There's a reason everyone has "Showing items 1-10 <Prev Next>" navigation.
Jun 15 17:26:24 <konttori_> RST38h: to see that guys work... Hmm... don't think so. It was an experiement
Jun 15 17:26:25 <derf> And it's not because that's easier for the user.
Jun 15 17:26:55 <konttori_> derf: sure. I just cannot understand why it's there.
Jun 15 17:26:59 <johnx> derf, more ad impressions?
Jun 15 17:27:56 <konttori_> RST38h: would be nice to get fm to really work quickly.
Jun 15 17:28:44 <konttori_> as a disclaimer, I was project manager for handling fm in diablo. (among other things)
Jun 15 17:28:54 <konttori_> but, cannot comment on unreleased product
Jun 15 17:29:31 <Khertan> fm ?
Jun 15 17:30:31 <Khertan> FileMaker ;)
Jun 15 17:30:48 <n800m> is there a way to have different brightness settings for battery-run and power adaptor?
Jun 15 17:31:00 <KotCzarny> yes
Jun 15 17:31:12 <KotCzarny> ac-monitor
Jun 15 17:31:29 <KotCzarny> lcuk hacked it to switch to 'performance' governor when plugged too
Jun 15 17:32:07 <n800m> do you know which repo it's in?
Jun 15 17:32:11 <KotCzarny> nope
Jun 15 17:32:25 <derf> Did anyone ever port it to OS 2008?
Jun 15 17:32:27 <derf> Because I sure didn't.
Jun 15 17:32:41 <KotCzarny> derf: apparently it works in os2008
Jun 15 17:32:49 <derf> Huh. Crazy.
Jun 15 17:33:20 <qwerty12> derf, I recompiled for os2008
Jun 15 17:33:22 <qwerty12> works fine
Jun 15 17:33:29 <RST38h> Let us all crucify konttori =)
Jun 15 17:33:34 <derf> qwerty12: Awesome.
Jun 15 17:33:39 <derf> Got a link to an install file?
Jun 15 17:33:43 <n800m> http://pupnik.de/800powr.html
Jun 15 17:33:47 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19258
Jun 15 17:34:00 <qwerty12> Bye, all
Jun 15 17:34:06 <putterson> what do I need to do to get android on my n810, I followed the steps on http://www.alextreme.org/drupal//?q=android_on_n810 and it just reboots over and over
Jun 15 17:34:25 <RST38h> konttori: Last time I had that thought was when the Microsoft guy talking at our university said he was a project manager for Outlook Express =)
Jun 15 17:34:55 <RST38h> putterson:You need 1. Ask yourself WHY.
Jun 15 17:34:59 <konttori_> RST38h: yeah, go ahead: ;)
Jun 15 17:35:28 <konttori_> I actually liked outlook express at some point
Jun 15 17:35:35 <konttori_> (well, more than the outlook)
Jun 15 17:35:40 <putterson> RST38h, just because I got the oppertunity to do it and I wanted to see what it was like
Jun 15 17:35:44 <RST38h> if you put it this way...
Jun 15 17:35:58 <putterson> It wont be permanent
Jun 15 17:36:05 <RST38h> although Outlook (Full or Express) is the first thing I delete form a PC when doing security audit
Jun 15 17:36:32 <johnx> putterson, so after reflashing the kernel it just goes into a reboot loop?
Jun 15 17:36:46 <RST38h> putterson: Well instructions are very specific
Jun 15 17:36:57 <RST38h> What happens when you follow them?
Jun 15 17:37:31 <putterson> everything flashes and copies over ok it just reboots continually
Jun 15 17:37:32 <n800m> missing libdbus-1-2 (>-61)
Jun 15 17:37:39 <ljp> putterson: probably need to disable the watchdog
Jun 15 17:37:48 <putterson> I don't have a working os2008 install right n ow though
Jun 15 17:38:04 <putterson> ljp, how would I do that?
Jun 15 17:39:55 <ljp> putterson: sudo ./flasher --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset
Jun 15 17:40:05 <ljp> something like that
Jun 15 17:44:19 <n800m> i got it installed but doesn't seem to work, maybe it something to do with advanced backlight?
Jun 15 17:44:28 <n800m> acmonitor i mean
Jun 15 17:45:44 <KotCzarny> as i said, he hacked it
Jun 15 17:45:50 <KotCzarny> probably adding functionality
Jun 15 17:46:35 <fuelfive> I just flashed with the developer rootfs, and wifi does not work
Jun 15 17:46:54 <fuelfive> is there something additional I need to do here?
Jun 15 17:47:37 <fuelfive> like, even iwlist wlan0 scanning doesn't even do anything
Jun 15 17:49:20 <Khertan> re
Jun 15 17:50:17 <Khertan> someone have tryed mcalendar here ?
Jun 15 17:52:36 <johnx> I have, but I'm not sure I understand how to use it correctly...
Jun 15 17:53:15 <RST38h> http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2768566780101697283LmGwYj
Jun 15 17:53:28 * RST38h wonders what happens when someone completes the statue
Jun 15 17:53:54 <Khertan> jonhx > hum ... so gui isn t very good
Jun 15 17:54:40 <johnx> maybe I'm just confused. let's say I make a new event for tomorrow: Should it show up on the month view?
Jun 15 17:54:52 <johnx> or is it only supposed to show up when I look at that day?
Jun 15 17:54:58 <johnx> what *should* show up on the month view?
Jun 15 17:55:21 <Khertan> it should be visible on  month view
Jun 15 17:56:06 <johnx> ah, ok, I see
Jun 15 17:56:26 <johnx> I was being dumb
Jun 15 17:56:32 <Khertan> on month view all event of the month should be visible
Jun 15 17:56:34 * Navi yawns
Jun 15 17:56:50 <johnx> Khertan, only upcoming events on month view, right?
Jun 15 17:56:55 <johnx> not current or past events?
Jun 15 17:57:17 <Khertan> current or past should be visible too
Jun 15 17:57:22 <johnx> also it tends to close on me randomly, pretty often
Jun 15 17:57:24 <Navi> Mmm
Jun 15 17:57:28 <Navi> Doesn't do it for me
Jun 15 17:57:35 <johnx> Khertan, currently happening events don't appear
Jun 15 17:57:36 <Navi> I just have problems launching it some times
Jun 15 17:57:38 <johnx> on month view
Jun 15 17:57:40 <RST38h> Anybody knows what +49 country code stands for?
Jun 15 17:58:17 <Navi> Germany
Jun 15 17:58:21 <RST38h> Germany...hmmm
Jun 15 17:58:32 <RST38h> Who would be calling me from Germany on Saturday night?
Jun 15 17:58:42 <RST38h> On a MOBILE phone!
Jun 15 17:58:51 <Navi> Telemarketers
Jun 15 17:58:54 <Khertan> hum i ve maybe made an mistake
Jun 15 17:58:55 <RST38h> No way
Jun 15 17:59:02 <RST38h> Khertan: twice!
Jun 15 17:59:03 <herz1> does anyone know where on the device I can delete a stored password for my network? (as the password has changed in the mean time)
Jun 15 17:59:10 <Navi> German telemarketers are pure evil
Jun 15 17:59:13 <RST38h> The next 3 digits are 693
Jun 15 17:59:23 <herz1> 069 is munich AFAIR
Jun 15 17:59:29 <Khertan> past event show in month view on my device
Jun 15 17:59:40 <RST38h> Navi: The only good thing that happened in US during Bush Jr is the ban on 90% telemarketers
Jun 15 17:59:42 <johnx> Khertan, but not today's events
Jun 15 17:59:55 <johnx> and it just closed again, while just sitting there
Jun 15 18:00:02 <Navi> johnx, are you on the latest version?
Jun 15 18:00:02 <herz1> RST38h: tried to google the phone number?
Jun 15 18:00:03 <RST38h> Navi: You can't imagine how happy people were when that happened
Jun 15 18:00:10 <johnx> Navi, probably not
Jun 15 18:00:12 <RST38h> herzl: Not yet, I am not THAT invasive =)
Jun 15 18:00:13 <Navi> RST38h, I was pretty damned happy
Jun 15 18:00:25 <Navi> RST38h, though, I miss fucking with telemarketers now
Jun 15 18:00:48 <Navi> "Yes, I might be interested in changing my long distance service, but please hold"
Jun 15 18:00:49 <RST38h> Navi: It got boring after a while
Jun 15 18:00:53 <derf> herz1: It's pretty easy to find in gconf-editor.
Jun 15 18:00:59 <derf> I don't remember the exact path.
Jun 15 18:01:00 * Navi hooks his phone up to his PC and plays some easy listening
Jun 15 18:01:09 <derf> Stored in plain text, too, for added security.
Jun 15 18:01:21 <Navi> The longest someone held on was for 25 or so minutes
Jun 15 18:01:29 <Khertan> strange i can t reproduce it
Jun 15 18:01:33 <RST38h> Navi: I did the "what are you wearing" thing twice
Jun 15 18:01:37 <Navi> Haha
Jun 15 18:01:43 <johnx> Khertan, let me update to the latest version
Jun 15 18:01:45 <Navi> johnx, what version are you running?
Jun 15 18:01:47 <Navi> hah
Jun 15 18:01:58 <RST38h> Then I did the "my dad can't come to the phone right now he is taking a shit big an dbrown one"
Jun 15 18:02:09 <Khertan> the last is 0.2.0
Jun 15 18:02:10 <derf> Navi: My roommate had a lot of fun with a Magic 8-Ball.
Jun 15 18:02:34 <RST38h> Then I did a hi-tech thing recording my cat and playing it to telemarketers at 1/3 the speed
Jun 15 18:02:40 <RST38h> THEN it got boring.
Jun 15 18:02:51 <Navi> I just hooked up my phone to my PC
Jun 15 18:03:04 <Khertan> navi, i ve thought about a free time view
Jun 15 18:03:06 <Navi> it takes no effort and I do other things while it plays
Jun 15 18:03:38 <derf> He had to retire it after a telemarketer finally caught on, and then gathered all the other people at the phone bank around to listen to him feed her answers to all her questions from the magic 8-ball.
Jun 15 18:03:41 <Navi> Khertan, yeah?
Jun 15 18:03:59 <Khertan> but i ven't found yet how to do a thing which can be read in a easy way
Jun 15 18:03:59 <RST38h> Google hasn't got a phone book yet?
Jun 15 18:03:59 <Navi> RST38h, it's too bad
Jun 15 18:04:02 <RST38h> to look up the 693 city code, you know
Jun 15 18:04:14 <Navi> people need to put all of their numbers on a public phonebook
Jun 15 18:04:21 <Khertan> navi > do u have idea ?
Jun 15 18:04:26 <RST38h> Navi: noway
Jun 15 18:04:34 <Navi> just like how people put every event of their lives on Google Calendar for everyone to see
Jun 15 18:04:52 <Navi> Khertan, I'm guessing the same kind of list view
Jun 15 18:04:54 <Khertan> :)
Jun 15 18:05:11 <Khertan> with free time ?
Jun 15 18:05:17 <Navi> Yeah, with free time
Jun 15 18:05:28 <Khertan> by day ?
Jun 15 18:05:28 <RST38h> Navi: those are not people, they are idiots
Jun 15 18:05:44 <Navi> RST38h, It's almost synonymous
Jun 15 18:05:49 <Navi> Khertan, yeah, by day
Jun 15 18:06:41 <Navi> Though, I'd much rather a graphical dealie Pimlico Dates styled :P
Jun 15 18:07:07 <Khertan> so we need pref to be able to set start and end of working day
Jun 15 18:07:34 <RST38h> Navi: No, just 90% synonymous
Jun 15 18:07:34 <Khertan> navi > it s question of preference
Jun 15 18:07:53 <Navi> I guess. Mobile-style is fine
Jun 15 18:08:01 <RST38h> Navi: And the idea is to restrict your socializing to the remaining 10%
Jun 15 18:08:02 <Khertan> on a small device i found view like pimlico date too small
Jun 15 18:08:08 <Navi> RST38h, Pretty hard
Jun 15 18:08:20 <RST38h> Well, each of us does his best...
Jun 15 18:08:20 <Navi> Khertan, really? I thought it worked well.
Jun 15 18:08:41 <Navi> Better than the GPE style at least
Jun 15 18:08:51 <Khertan> i ve tryed to use it ... but i ve started mcalendar to replace it :)
Jun 15 18:08:54 <johnx> it depends on how many things you schedule per day I guess
Jun 15 18:08:57 <Navi> Palm does it a bit different, but that way works too
Jun 15 18:09:10 <Khertan> gpe is not so bad on openmoko
Jun 15 18:09:21 <Khertan> but not the maemo port
Jun 15 18:09:23 <Jaffa> Ev'ning, all
Jun 15 18:09:27 <Navi> Neither is pimlico's stuff :P
Jun 15 18:09:28 <Navi> Hi Jaffa
Jun 15 18:09:34 <Khertan> hi jaffa
Jun 15 18:10:00 <Khertan> palm is a good way i thought
Jun 15 18:10:13 <RST38h> 69 is Frankfurt
Jun 15 18:10:21 <Navi> Woo
Jun 15 18:10:37 <Navi> Big-ass area
Jun 15 18:10:45 <johnx> Khertan, too many values to unpack
Jun 15 18:10:58 <Khertan> yes
Jun 15 18:11:16 <RST38h> Navi: The highest probability location is the airport though
Jun 15 18:11:40 <Khertan> arg my 6630 is out of battery
Jun 15 18:11:41 * RST38h tries to figure out who of his friends or relatives would fly through Frankfurt yesterday
Jun 15 18:11:46 <Navi> RST38h, maybe someone needs you to bail you out :P
Jun 15 18:11:52 <Navi> er
Jun 15 18:11:52 <Khertan> connection will drop shortly
Jun 15 18:11:56 <Navi> bail 'em out
Jun 15 18:12:24 <johnx> Khertan, and it didn't pull down my scheduled event for Sunday the 15th
Jun 15 18:12:25 <Navi> The 6630s have a weird style
Jun 15 18:12:27 <RST38h> Navi: Well, I have got no tanks or bombers at the moment
Jun 15 18:12:33 <Navi> RST38h, Eh
Jun 15 18:12:36 <johnx> but it did pull down everything before that
Jun 15 18:12:40 <Khertan> ?
Jun 15 18:12:44 <Navi> it's not like they have a military to stop you
Jun 15 18:13:15 <RST38h> Military is so last century...
Jun 15 18:13:35 <RST38h> They have got an international police force for Keeping Order!
Jun 15 18:13:38 <Navi> Woo!
Jun 15 18:14:08 <Khertan> johnx > can u say me what is date start and end ?
Jun 15 18:14:23 <Khertan> and your current time
Jun 15 18:14:27 <johnx> starts and ends on the 15th,
Jun 15 18:14:39 <johnx> my current time is 3:10AM June, 16th
Jun 15 18:14:49 <johnx> I'm on JST, so that's UTC+9
Jun 15 18:14:52 <Khertan> and starttime ?
Jun 15 18:15:01 <johnx> starttime/endtime 2:30PM
Jun 15 18:15:10 <johnx> ah, my bad
Jun 15 18:15:17 <johnx> start: 2:30PM
Jun 15 18:15:20 <johnx> end: 8:30PM
Jun 15 18:15:44 <johnx> other than that it seems fine
Jun 15 18:16:22 <Khertan> hum can u set it to 2h30
Jun 15 18:16:28 <Khertan> am
Jun 15 18:16:37 <Khertan> and 8h30am
Jun 15 18:16:40 <johnx> is a new event ok?
Jun 15 18:16:43 <Navi> johnx, you're up late O_o
Jun 15 18:16:46 <Khertan> ok
Jun 15 18:17:12 <johnx> Navi, I work nights :P
Jun 15 18:17:15 <Navi> Oh yeah
Jun 15 18:17:21 <Navi> Vampire
Jun 15 18:17:23 <Navi> run!
Jun 15 18:17:32 <Khertan> i think of a problem with am/pm
Jun 15 18:17:38 <johnx> Navi, heh...sometimes I feel like it
Jun 15 18:17:42 <johnx> too damn bright today
Jun 15 18:18:36 <Khertan> ? same thing ?
Jun 15 18:18:41 <johnx> Khertan, wow...well that's interesting: {'status': 400, 'body': 'Invalid request URL.', reason': 'Bad Request'}
Jun 15 18:18:46 <Navi> Oh yeah
Jun 15 18:18:51 <Navi> That's fun
Jun 15 18:18:58 <johnx> if there's anything misspelled, that's my fault
Jun 15 18:18:59 <Khertan> :)
Jun 15 18:19:23 <johnx> and it still didn't sync anything from yesterday
Jun 15 18:19:40 <Navi> Khertan, #1 on my list of annoyances is the inability to full screen the app :P
Jun 15 18:20:15 <Khertan> navi > for me it s a small thing to do
Jun 15 18:20:21 <Navi> I know it is
Jun 15 18:20:25 <Navi> that's why it's #1
Jun 15 18:20:32 <Khertan> my priority is to fix sync problem
Jun 15 18:20:41 <Khertan> ok i do it tommorow
Jun 15 18:20:46 <Navi> Sync conks out randomly
Jun 15 18:21:01 <Khertan> and i don t know why
Jun 15 18:21:07 <Khertan> i ve no problem
Jun 15 18:21:15 <Navi> Even though it complains, my calendars still sync
Jun 15 18:21:20 <pupnik> btw, is it 00:00-23.59  or 00:01-24:00 ?
Jun 15 18:21:26 <Khertan> and can t reproduce this 400 error
Jun 15 18:21:44 <pupnik> strange the things one forgets
Jun 15 18:21:48 <Khertan> first one pupnik
Jun 15 18:21:52 <Navi> I've yet to see a clock that does 00:01-24:00
Jun 15 18:22:23 <Khertan> yes there is ... specially one coming from chinese
Jun 15 18:22:27 <derf> In Japan, TV listings are given up through 25 or 26 o'clock.
Jun 15 18:22:34 <johnx> I see store signs that say open to 25:00
Jun 15 18:22:36 <Navi> Weird :P
Jun 15 18:22:38 <putterson> how can I kill the ui of os2008 so that android will get the screen?
Jun 15 18:22:46 <Khertan> it s depends on country i think
Jun 15 18:22:54 <johnx> putterson, not terribly easily
Jun 15 18:23:02 <Khertan> french clock display 00:00
Jun 15 18:23:02 <derf> I haven't seen that anywhere outside of East Asia.
Jun 15 18:23:10 <Navi> I just stole penguinbait's scripts
Jun 15 18:23:16 <derf> The _clocks_ are still 00:00-23:59.
Jun 15 18:23:35 <putterson> johnx, when I run android it shows up and dissapears if I click the screen cause maemo gets the focus
Jun 15 18:23:40 <putterson> how would I fix that
Jun 15 18:23:43 <Khertan> no no clock from chinese display 24:00
Jun 15 18:23:47 <johnx> putterson, I don't know
Jun 15 18:23:53 <Navi> stop hildon-desktop
Jun 15 18:24:09 <derf> johnx: Well, learn something every day.
Jun 15 18:24:29 <derf> I've still not been to China. Need to find an excuse to get out there.
Jun 15 18:24:39 <johnx> neither have I :)
Jun 15 18:24:45 <johnx> I will next spring hopefully
Jun 15 18:24:55 <johnx> I'd like to see Hong Kong as well
Jun 15 18:25:12 <derf> Yeah, it turns out there's actually quite a lot of China.
Jun 15 18:25:16 <putterson> Navi, how do I keep it from restarting
Jun 15 18:25:28 <RST38h> derf: Sure about it?
Jun 15 18:25:35 <derf> RST38h: At least by all reports.
Jun 15 18:25:58 <johnx> there's really not that much of Japan. It makes train travel really reasonable though
Jun 15 18:26:01 * RST38h have been to Taiwan but he is not particularly interested in going to the mainland
Jun 15 18:26:12 <derf> I mean, there's a lot of, say, Russia, too. But I wouldn't want to visit most of it.
Jun 15 18:26:23 <RST38h> derf: Most of it is forest anyway
Jun 15 18:26:35 <RST38h> So even if you visited it, it would all look the same
Jun 15 18:26:47 <derf> I've flown over the eastern part at night. It was all solid black.
Jun 15 18:27:03 <derf> Like, anywhere else, there would be lights, even if just of small towns.
Jun 15 18:27:34 <RST38h> derf: So is the western part
Jun 15 18:27:43 <RST38h> Cities in here are very far in-between
Jun 15 18:28:16 <RST38h> And 70% of population lives in medium-to-large cities
Jun 15 18:28:27 <johnx> Has anyone else run into a problem applying for a garage page?
Jun 15 18:28:41 <johnx> it tells me: "ERROR: Could not create group: ERROR: value too long for type character varying(255)"
Jun 15 18:29:07 <johnx> which is just *terribly* descriptive...
Jun 15 18:29:10 <Navi> :o
Jun 15 18:29:33 <Navi> putterson, stop what from restarting?
Jun 15 18:29:37 <RST38h> johnx: group description was too long?
Jun 15 18:29:54 <KotCzarny> johnx: prefer 'ERROR: error occured' ?
Jun 15 18:30:14 <derf> But yeah, speaking as someone used to flying over the eastern US, the contrast was pretty jarring.
Jun 15 18:30:24 <RST38h> derf: Yep. Exactly.
Jun 15 18:30:29 <johnx> RST38h, yeah, tracked down the field that was too long
Jun 15 18:30:36 <RST38h> derf: Even Central US is pretty much illuminated
Jun 15 18:30:41 <johnx> "group" was nowhere in the description for it
Jun 15 18:31:03 <derf> Yeah, basically all the way to the Rockies.
Jun 15 18:31:23 <johnx> anyways, 'night all
Jun 15 18:31:24 <putterson> Navi, hildon-desktop
Jun 15 18:31:52 <RST38h> Alaska would probably be more similar to .RU at night, but I have never flown over it
Jun 15 18:31:53 <wnd> as if you hadn't seen this before. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/images/earth_night.jpg
Jun 15 18:32:11 <Navi> putterson, how are you stopping it?
Jun 15 18:32:29 <putterson> killall over ssh
Jun 15 18:32:29 <RST38h> Hehe, I can see BAM! =)
Jun 15 18:32:47 <Navi> putterson, stop it using the init script instead
Jun 15 18:32:48 <derf> You really want to fly north of the arctic circle during the day.
Jun 15 18:32:56 <derf> The scenery is _fantastic_.
Jun 15 18:33:13 <RST38h> derf: Even if you do not fly it is fantastic
Jun 15 18:33:27 <derf> Yes, but then it is also very cold.
Jun 15 18:33:30 <RST38h> One of the biggest dangers when driving around Anchorage is too much rubbernecking =)
Jun 15 18:33:30 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ping (added a lot more robustness to the council rules that I've been mulling over)
Jun 15 18:33:31 <Navi> Even looking at photographs of it is fantastic :P
Jun 15 18:37:17 <Navi> Aw
Jun 15 18:37:20 <Navi> Khertan left
Jun 15 18:38:16 <Navi> johnx, do you get the problem where you make a new calendar entry on google calendar two days from today and keep it an all-day event
Jun 15 18:38:41 <Navi> and when you sync it, it makes it an entry the day before?
Jun 15 18:46:44 <herz1> derf: thanks
Jun 15 18:46:56 <RST38h> yahooo, Gnumeric got updated!
Jun 15 19:27:41 <lcuk> derf, konttori_ - if your data is obtained from a recordset then there is no need to actively double up on your workload and just self-draw the contents of each list item.  you save a whole initialization and just draw what you see.  when sorting just ask the recordset to do it for you :)
Jun 15 19:28:54 <lcuk> in a similar vein if you already have a linked list object model you can do the same.  it should scale up pretty far - its always been better doing this rather than creating a list item for each object in your list
Jun 15 19:30:03 <konttori_> lcuk: hi!
Jun 15 19:30:19 <lcuk> hi there :)
Jun 15 19:30:31 <konttori_> sure, that's the proper way to do it, but it will then drop the framework for the objects that the listview contains. (like dragndrop)
Jun 15 19:30:48 <konttori_> however, to be honest, it's the right way to do it
Jun 15 19:31:06 <derf> lcuk: The standard Swing approach is to have a template "renderer" widget which gets filled in with the contents of each row and is used to paint it.
Jun 15 19:31:07 <konttori_> I have now made a poor mans solution that seems to perform OK ish.
Jun 15 19:31:10 <lcuk> cou could still do it but would take a bit more of a sidestep
Jun 15 19:31:13 <konttori_> I'll settle for that for the day.
Jun 15 19:31:45 <derf> The idea that you would _ever_ create a GUI object for every list item is pure insanity.
Jun 15 19:31:59 <konttori_> derf: I so agree
Jun 15 19:32:03 <lcuk> derf :) sounds pretty reasonable :)  and konttori_ at least for maemo, drag/drop isnt used that much
Jun 15 19:32:18 <konttori_> sure. it's not.
Jun 15 19:32:21 <derf> s/at least for maemo//
Jun 15 19:32:46 <lcuk> d&d is a nice feature to have - at least for custom sortable things
Jun 15 19:33:04 <derf> Though, the file manager is pretty much the most common place dnd _is_ used.
Jun 15 19:33:05 <lcuk> is this to get over your 150album limit?
Jun 15 19:33:11 <derf> Even if it shouldn't be.
Jun 15 19:34:32 * lcuk has been experimenting with folder trees and self rendering each node - it scales upto the full file system :)   (though memory goes wayyy up with each branch open)
Jun 15 19:40:03 <RST38h> lcuk: fm file dialog appears to eat off 100+MB memory every time it is open
Jun 15 19:40:19 <RST38h> Does not actually use all of it, probably just does a memmap
Jun 15 19:44:16 <Tahitibob35> RST38h, i asked the same question on maemo-dev ML :
Jun 15 19:44:22 <Tahitibob35> http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg14279.html
Jun 15 19:57:38 <RST38h> Tahiti: There should be a bug filed about it - check the bug database
Jun 15 20:09:30 <konttori_> lcuk: what 150 album limit?
Jun 15 20:11:19 <lcuk> during your speech at ltag you said ukmp has a rough limit of about 150 albums - you said for anything more move to itunes
Jun 15 20:11:31 <Toba> ugh.
Jun 15 20:11:39 <Toba> why on earth do we have to flash to upgrade?
Jun 15 20:12:00 <Toba> isn't in place upgrading like 20 year old technology?
Jun 15 20:12:01 <lcuk> because thats the way it is for now - this will be the last time though, new diablo release has incrimental updates
Jun 15 20:12:06 <Toba> ><
Jun 15 20:12:10 <Toba> I just got everything set up!
Jun 15 20:12:18 * Toba >:[
Jun 15 20:12:25 <lcuk> then dont flash yet? whats new?
Jun 15 20:12:36 <lcuk> or do a backup and restore
Jun 15 20:12:36 <Toba> well, gps working for one.
Jun 15 20:12:51 <Toba> oh, true.
Jun 15 20:13:03 <lcuk> which release has it working?
Jun 15 20:13:10 <Toba> diablo, I think.
Jun 15 20:13:14 <Toba> http://yerga.jaiku.com/presence/36140701
Jun 15 20:13:42 <lcuk> but thats not been released yet - and it *may* be able to do the SSU update without even a final flash, though i dont know if thats been decided yet
Jun 15 20:14:02 <Toba> SSU = ?
Jun 15 20:14:05 <lcuk> for me, im going to enjoy flashing it and rebuilding everything
Jun 15 20:14:38 <Toba> how can I back up my current internal memory?
Jun 15 20:14:41 <lcuk> Seamless Software Update - update without flash
Jun 15 20:14:48 <Toba> ah
Jun 15 20:18:53 <summatusmentis> Toba? like... wpi Toba ?
Jun 15 20:19:00 <Toba> ...whoa. hi jts.
Jun 15 20:19:07 <summatusmentis> how goes it?
Jun 15 20:19:09 <Toba> okay
Jun 15 20:19:14 <summatusmentis> righteous
Jun 15 20:19:17 <Toba> my n810 has the worst gps in the history of mankind
Jun 15 20:19:22 <Toba> but other than that okay
Jun 15 20:19:32 <summatusmentis> well, yes. diablo will have a-gps
Jun 15 20:19:49 <Toba> yeah, but it seems to me one of the main selling points should WORK as shipped
Jun 15 20:20:08 <Toba> instead of being horridly broken and ship it anyway which seems to be what they did
Jun 15 20:20:08 <summatusmentis> agreed. technically it works, just badly
Jun 15 20:20:17 <Toba> half an hour to fix is not working
Jun 15 20:20:23 <Toba> I could find a gas station and ask at that point
Jun 15 20:20:28 <summatusmentis> lol
Jun 15 20:20:29 <Toba> it would be quicker
Jun 15 20:20:52 <Toba> I'm glad they patched it, at least.
Jun 15 20:21:13 <Toba> I'd try diablo right now if I knew how to do a disk image so I could get it back exactly as is
Jun 15 20:21:15 <summatusmentis> well, yeah, the a-gps stuff works well enough
Jun 15 20:21:20 <lcuk> the gps locking issue is nowhere near as bad on mine now, im wondering if cpu busyness was a problem - ie if the cpu is busy it cant process the initial data?  but anyway it seems more stable nowadays and locks in a reasonable time
Jun 15 20:21:22 <Toba> it seems this 'backup and restore' feature only takes some of the stuff.
Jun 15 20:21:30 <summatusmentis> just tar rootfs
Jun 15 20:21:33 <Toba> lcuk: with diablo?
Jun 15 20:21:35 <lcuk> no
Jun 15 20:21:39 <lcuk> standard
Jun 15 20:21:41 <Toba> how'd you fix it then
Jun 15 20:21:58 <lcuk> i dunno, its just started behaving - but then again my battery has as well
Jun 15 20:22:09 <summatusmentis> Toba: or if you're not using the internal sd, image your rootfs to there, boot from the internal sd, and upgrade your flash to diablo
Jun 15 20:22:15 <lcuk> but as well i run in performance cpu mode so everything is a bit more snappy
Jun 15 20:22:30 <Toba> I am using it, but none of it matters. just some music.
Jun 15 20:22:33 <Toba> I can sync that on again any time
Jun 15 20:23:00 <summatusmentis> if I have a source directory structure, is there a way to copy it all over to my n810, then copy back only the files that have changed afterwards?
Jun 15 20:23:02 <Toba> huh? you can't get a consistent image on a running system..
Jun 15 20:23:14 <Toba> summatusmentis: rsync, I would think.
Jun 15 20:23:25 <Toba> isn't there some 'usb slave mode' for reading data from a desktop?
Jun 15 20:23:37 <summatusmentis> Does rsync do 'only changed files'? intriguing
Jun 15 20:23:45 <Toba> yes, summatusmentis. it does
Jun 15 20:24:02 <lcuk> i would think a sync without an option to do only changed files would be a bit pointless
Jun 15 20:24:19 <Toba> hm.
Jun 15 20:24:28 <Toba> how do I properly shut down? I saw it once and it seems to be well hidden
Jun 15 20:24:37 <Toba> I want a consistent state when I image it
Jun 15 20:24:42 <summatusmentis> hit the power button, and say turn off
Jun 15 20:24:53 <summatusmentis> or in the terminal, as root, poweroff
Jun 15 20:24:54 <lcuk> there is no proper way to completely turn off, but there is a shutdown option on a menu by holding down power
Jun 15 20:25:07 <lcuk> ok tap power not hold it down
Jun 15 20:25:22 * lcuk only ever uses the slide for locking
Jun 15 20:25:24 <summatusmentis> you can hold it, and it'll shutdown
Jun 15 20:25:33 * lcuk wishes lock would lower cpu and disconnect wireless though
Jun 15 20:25:55 <Toba> hold it on does what?
Jun 15 20:26:07 <Toba> I just did that
Jun 15 20:26:34 <Toba> hm, it appears to be doing slave mode maybe?
Jun 15 20:26:35 <lcuk> it shutsdown, but its not totally shutdown because there is a little program running to manage the charging
Jun 15 20:26:45 <Toba> arg
Jun 15 20:27:01 <Toba> normal boot here we go
Jun 15 20:37:55 <pupnik> hmm skype client seems to not allow receiving/sending chat message or any other activity while a call is active
Jun 15 20:45:50 <Toba> skype won't even install on mine
Jun 15 20:46:05 <Toba> it complains that it's not made by nokia and is guaranteed to utterly destroy the universe, even though it was on the menu when I got it
Jun 15 20:46:08 <Toba> I don't get it
Jun 15 20:46:12 <Toba> why would they put it there if it won't install?
Jun 15 20:46:25 <Toba> part of why I wanted this was for SkypeOut
Jun 15 20:47:52 <m-vo> Toba, let's debug this a bit.  Sounds like a bug somewhere.  Skype should be installable, of course.
Jun 15 20:48:00 <Toba> hold on
Jun 15 20:48:25 <m-vo> Do you get an error message or just a warning?
Jun 15 20:49:07 <m-vo> (I am 'responsible
Jun 15 20:49:19 <Toba> error
Jun 15 20:49:24 <Toba> http://des.truct.org/tmp/skyperror.jpg
Jun 15 20:49:25 <m-vo> ... for the Application manager, that's why i am asking.)
Jun 15 20:49:51 <Toba> apps -> communication -> skype
Jun 15 20:49:53 <m-vo> Oho!
Jun 15 20:49:56 <Toba> asks if i want to install
Jun 15 20:50:09 <Toba> brings me here, downloads it, then asks if I should install 4.35 mb or something
Jun 15 20:50:15 <lcuk> toba, most likely reason for failure is the installer expecting to find dependencies which have been listed as available from repos added since you got it
Jun 15 20:50:16 <Toba> and when I click ok, I get this
Jun 15 20:50:36 <Toba> so how do I fix this?
Jun 15 20:50:42 <lcuk> disable all additional none standard repoes and i believe it should work
Jun 15 20:50:54 <m-vo> You can get past this in the red-pill mode, but I
Jun 15 20:50:58 <Toba> is there some way to do that without actually *removing* them all one by one?
Jun 15 20:51:03 <lcuk> yes, disable
Jun 15 20:51:08 <Toba> where is that?
Jun 15 20:51:08 <m-vo> (damn return key is too close to ')
Jun 15 20:51:25 <Toba> application catalog.. .list of repositories..
Jun 15 20:51:33 <m-vo> ... but I'd like to figure out why this happens.
Jun 15 20:51:43 <lcuk> edit each repo in the list and put a tick in "disabled"
Jun 15 20:51:46 <Toba> oh god
Jun 15 20:51:50 <Toba> this is going to take forever
Jun 15 20:52:16 <Toba> m-vo: since you're responsible for it, may I suggest being able to select multiple repositories and enable/disable them with a context menu of some sort?
Jun 15 20:52:18 <lcuk> i keep only 3 standard repos available and try not to add new ones
Jun 15 20:53:10 <Toba> I assume this is Nokia {catalog,certified,System-update}
Jun 15 20:53:13 <m-vo> lcuk is on the right path: you shall not use too many repositories.
Jun 15 20:53:31 <Gnuton> hi there
Jun 15 20:53:54 <Toba> *sigh*
Jun 15 20:54:06 <m-vo> Toba, could you look into "Tools > Log"?
Jun 15 20:54:40 * m-vo unfortunately doesn't remember how the Chinook AM behaves exactly in this situation...
Jun 15 20:54:47 <Toba> sure
Jun 15 20:54:58 <m-vo> Toba, you know about red-pill mode?
Jun 15 20:55:25 <Toba> no
Jun 15 20:55:29 <Toba> I have heard the phrase
Jun 15 20:55:33 <m-vo> http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html
Jun 15 20:56:35 <m-vo> When you activate it, you get the option to continue.
Jun 15 21:00:26 <Toba> ok now with logging on i'm gonna try installing skype
Jun 15 21:01:03 <Toba> it seems to nieed libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0
Jun 15 21:01:08 <Toba> which aren't here for some reason
Jun 15 21:01:18 <m-vo> Hmm.
Jun 15 21:01:58 <m-vo> It's expected that they aren't available, we haven
Jun 15 21:02:20 <Toba> what?
Jun 15 21:02:27 <Toba> this says I *don't* have them
Jun 15 21:02:29 <m-vo> 't put them into any device repository.
Jun 15 21:02:37 <Toba> and you're saying that they are?
Jun 15 21:02:40 <Toba> it says they are missing
Jun 15 21:02:49 <m-vo> Yes, and you shouldn't.  They are installed already.
Jun 15 21:03:08 <m-vo> The problem is that Skype seems to require them.
Jun 15 21:03:26 <Toba> I'm trying to keep my cool here, but having them when it wants them should not be a problem.
Jun 15 21:04:58 <m-vo> Toba, we'll figure it out.
Jun 15 21:05:05 <Toba> I hope so!
Jun 15 21:05:14 * Toba checks apt-cache
Jun 15 21:05:50 <m-vo> Can you quote the exact versions that are missing?
Jun 15 21:07:18 <Toba> running again
Jun 15 21:07:18 <Toba> oh it appears to need a newer version than I have
Jun 15 21:07:18 <Toba> but didn't know enough to upgrade it
Jun 15 21:07:18 * Toba tries apt-get upgrade libhildonfm
Jun 15 21:10:10 <m-vo> What's the version of skype you try to install?
Jun 15 21:10:28 <m-vo> I have 1.7.62.51.1
Jun 15 21:10:47 <m-vo> And it needs libhildonfm2 1.9.49
Jun 15 21:11:22 <Toba> yep
Jun 15 21:11:25 <Toba> I have 1.9.46
Jun 15 21:11:34 <Toba> ....more slplits?
Jun 15 21:11:35 <Toba> wow.
Jun 15 21:11:37 <m-vo> Hmm.
Jun 15 21:11:47 <Toba> anyway, how do I find out what depends on it?
Jun 15 21:12:53 <Toba> argh, and now the 'name' field of installed applications is way to narrow, version is wide as the screen, and I can't read any of the names.
Jun 15 21:13:15 <m-vo> what depends on libhildonfm2
Jun 15 21:13:22 <m-vo> apt-cache rdepends
Jun 15 21:13:59 <Toba> wow. practically everything it seems
Jun 15 21:14:01 <Toba> the list is huge
Jun 15 21:14:16 <m-vo> Yeah, it's the "Hile Open" dialog, etc.
Jun 15 21:15:01 * m-vo has a new keyboard...
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Jun 15 21:17:46 <m-vo> I have 2.2007.50-2
Jun 15 21:17:50 <Toba> is there some way to do a bit for bit image of the entire internal memory?
Jun 15 21:17:57 <Atarii> dd
Jun 15 21:17:58 <KotCzarny> yes
Jun 15 21:18:03 <andre___> 2.2007.50-2 is the latest
Jun 15 21:18:05 <Toba> it seems like this 'backup restore' thing is not actually getting everything.
Jun 15 21:18:05 <andre___> yupp
Jun 15 21:18:39 <Gnuton> are anyone know if skype 2.0 will be available for maemo?
Jun 15 21:19:02 <m-vo> Toba, if you decide to reflash, what about trying to upgrade with apt-get first, just for fun?
Jun 15 21:19:13 <Toba> heh
Jun 15 21:19:13 <Toba> I will
Jun 15 21:19:31 <Toba> I feel like everything I did up to this point will have been wasted though >:[
Jun 15 21:19:34 <Atarii> anyone know why my battery icon would just disapear? as in its still in there, but just with no icon?
Jun 15 21:19:53 <m-vo> there is no repository with all the packages you need, probably, but there is the chinook sdk repo that has lots of libraries.
Jun 15 21:20:19 <Toba> I'll just have to do it *again* after diablo comes out
Jun 15 21:20:22 <Toba> feels pretty damn futile
Jun 15 21:20:41 <m-vo> Hmm, wait a minute.
Jun 15 21:22:01 <m-vo> Do you have this in your repositories: http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Jun 15 21:22:49 <Toba> yes
Jun 15 21:24:01 <Toba> oh christ
Jun 15 21:24:01 <Toba> when will it end
Jun 15 21:24:01 <m-vo> Aha, so the App manager does try to update libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0.
Jun 15 21:24:02 * Toba slaps freenode admins
Jun 15 21:24:02 <Atarii> netsplit ftl
Jun 15 21:24:02 <Toba> spooling up ftl
Jun 15 21:24:02 <Toba> JUMP TO NETSPLIT ON MY MARK
Jun 15 21:24:19 <Toba> m-vo so what does this mean?
Jun 15 21:24:27 <Toba> can I just upgrade that safely?
Jun 15 21:24:30 <lcuk> ahhhh, so it was a netsplit that brings rose tyler back
Jun 15 21:24:47 <m-vo> well, it's not officially supported, but it should work.
Jun 15 21:24:48 <Toba> yeah, her shell was still there.
Jun 15 21:25:30 <m-vo> activate red-pill, and continue when you get the 'error'.
Jun 15 21:28:21 <Dekaritae> lcuk: If she's from a different universe is it still really her
Jun 15 21:28:21 <Toba> oh that's just flipping special
Jun 15 21:28:34 <Toba> it can't upgrade libhildonfm2 because it isn't upgraded.
Jun 15 21:30:05 <lcuk> Dekaritae, wasnt she sent to the other universe anyway?
Jun 15 21:30:09 <Toba> http://des.truct.org/tmp/hildon.jpg < can't upgrade due to Problems
Jun 15 21:30:09 <m-vo> just to explain what's happening: skype requires the most recent version of libhildonfm2, but there is no official repository that contains this version.  It is in the SDK repository, but that repository is not 'official' since it has not been signed with the right key. The App manager refuses to upgrade system libraries when they come from a repository that has not been signed with the right key.  Apt-get will upgrade them, as will the App manager in red-p
Jun 15 21:30:09 <m-vo> ill mode.
Jun 15 21:30:31 <Toba> app manager *is* in red pill mode
Jun 15 21:30:35 * Toba checks settings.
Jun 15 21:30:52 <m-vo> Ahh, sorry.  One more detail: the version lockdown.
Jun 15 21:31:07 <Toba> ?
Jun 15 21:31:20 <m-vo> Remove the osso-software-version package with apt-get.
Jun 15 21:31:39 <Dekaritae> Can't be sure it's the same one
Jun 15 21:31:39 <m-vo> (Or do the whole upgrade with it, it should remove it automatically)
Jun 15 21:31:54 <m-vo> And, yeah, the error reporting of the AM is shit.
Jun 15 21:32:16 <Toba> that, and it has to 'update' the list even when the action I took ended up doing nothing
Jun 15 21:32:18 <Toba> a bit silly
Jun 15 21:33:12 <Toba> ok I deleted osso-software-version, now what
Jun 15 21:33:54 <m-vo> Try installing skype now.
Jun 15 21:35:07 <Toba> tryng...
Jun 15 21:35:42 <Toba> oh nice. it appears to be working now.
Jun 15 21:35:58 <Toba> so far.
Jun 15 21:37:18 <Atarii> next problem, gettin skype working on 2008he....
Jun 15 21:37:20 <m-vo> In an ideal world, trying to install skype should tell you that you need to update the OS first, and you should be able to do it without reflashing.
Jun 15 21:37:56 <Toba> yes. and diablo is supposed to make that world real.
Jun 15 21:37:58 <Toba> supposed.
Jun 15 21:38:11 <m-vo> Yep, fingers crossed.
Jun 15 21:38:39 <m-vo> The error reporting is still shit.  Didn't manage to get this done.
Jun 15 21:40:01 <Toba> it's much better in red pill mode
Jun 15 21:40:11 <Toba> it's not just like 'didn't work good luck with that' anymore
Jun 15 21:42:53 <Super_Cas> ok can somebody test something so i can be sure to buy a nokia n800/n810
Jun 15 21:43:20 <Toba> what is it?
Jun 15 21:43:26 <Super_Cas> can somebody tell me if armogethon debian arm
Jun 15 21:43:35 <Super_Cas> works on n800/n810
Jun 15 21:43:58 <Super_Cas> armogedthon the 3d game based on thon
Jun 15 21:44:34 <Toba> armogedthon?
Jun 15 21:44:39 <Toba> are you sure you don't mean armagetron
Jun 15 21:44:54 <Super_Cas> yeah im just spelling it wrong
Jun 15 21:47:47 <Toba> Super_Cas: it's not in any of the repositories I have installed, but I have by no means all of them.
Jun 15 21:48:35 <Super_Cas> ok but does debian arm games work well
Jun 15 21:48:58 <Toba> I don't know. I haven't tried it.
Jun 15 21:49:00 <Super_Cas> Toba ok doesnt matter
Jun 15 21:49:18 <Super_Cas> is irc good on maemo
Jun 15 21:49:25 <Toba> I ssh out on mine
Jun 15 21:49:29 <Toba> and use irssi
Jun 15 21:49:42 <Super_Cas> lol
Jun 15 21:49:55 <Super_Cas> i used irssi on ds before
Jun 15 21:54:06 <Atarii> is there a way to manualy select the input method i.e. onscreen keyboard vs handwriting vs the bar which comes up when you are using a bt keyboard?
Jun 15 21:55:32 <GAN800> Tobas, you really should upgrade. 42-19 is old.
Jun 15 22:02:44 <Toba> ok, I am downloading the images.... how do I install them?
Jun 15 22:02:51 <Toba> it doesn't seem to say on the download page
Jun 15 22:03:39 <GAN800> Google. . . .
Jun 15 22:03:53 <GAN800> 'flashing maemo <your os here>'
Jun 15 22:04:46 <Atarii> http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958
Jun 15 22:05:39 <Toba> http://www.nokiausa.com/A4686323 < n810 page
Jun 15 22:07:44 <Atarii> Toba its the same thing
Jun 15 22:09:56 <Toba> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Jun 15 22:09:59 <Toba> ^ won't load here...
Jun 15 22:11:13 <Atarii> loads for me
Jun 15 22:32:18 <lopz> hola
Jun 15 22:33:36 <Toba> hm that seems to have worked
Jun 15 22:52:46 <m-c> Anyone using their Apple BT keyboard with their desktop linux system?  Ever see the "Can't create HID control channel" error?
Jun 15 22:57:39 <dick-richardson> anyone know how to make scp case-insensitive?
Jun 15 22:59:38 <GAN800> lol <_<
Jun 15 23:09:19 <dick-richardson> I'd have to use something like sed, wouldn't I? :/
Jun 15 23:09:38 * dick-richardson has avoided regex like the plague
Jun 15 23:10:00 <Toba> crap, I don't have a copy of that shell script I wrote
Jun 15 23:10:11 <Toba> and I just flashed over it
Jun 15 23:10:31 <lite>  dick-richardson, why to make it case-insensitive? (and how?)
Jun 15 23:11:32 <dick-richardson> my desktop computer is my podcast client, I'm running ssh to find and move any mp3 podcasts to a temp directory, from which I'm scp'ing them to my n810
Jun 15 23:11:53 <Toba> that shouldn't need case insensitivity
Jun 15 23:12:06 <Toba> you could just use rsync...
Jun 15 23:12:15 <dick-richardson> hmm...
Jun 15 23:12:52 <dick-richardson> the only situation where my script would fail is if a file ends in MP3 or mP3 or Mp3
Jun 15 23:12:58 <Xxaxx> or sshfs
Jun 15 23:13:20 <Toba_> or you could make the entire folder copy.
Jun 15 23:13:36 <Fatal> dick-richardson: sounds more like a problem with the script that handles the files rather than with scp
Jun 15 23:13:46 <dick-richardson> I use that temp directory for downloads as well
Jun 15 23:14:04 <dick-richardson> and wouldn't necessarily want those copied
Jun 15 23:14:48 <Fatal> dick-richardson: if you just scp *.mp3, then yes, it will not transfer .MP3, however, with some quick globbing in your shell (bash/posix sh) the line scping the files could be changed to scp *.[mM][pP]3 destination:/path
Jun 15 23:15:04 <KotCzarny> or *3
Jun 15 23:15:05 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 15 23:15:09 <Fatal> KotCzarny: :)
Jun 15 23:15:12 * lcuk secretly writes a trojan to copy random .mp3 files into dick-richardson's download temp folder
Jun 15 23:15:18 <KotCzarny> hi lcuk
Jun 15 23:15:23 <dick-richardson> lol!
Jun 15 23:15:39 <dick-richardson> send it to me, i'll run it
Jun 15 23:15:48 <lcuk> hey dick-richardson, you wanna see this maemo emulator for windows?  its only small, just click maemo_windows_emulator_really.exe
Jun 15 23:16:11 <dick-richardson> i'm on ubuntu
Jun 15 23:16:37 <lcuk> damn! i thought only windows users cared for case insisitive stuff
Jun 15 23:16:46 <lcuk> security by obscurity ;0
Jun 15 23:16:47 <Toba> yeah me too
Jun 15 23:16:50 <Fatal> dick-richardson: which is a rather quick and ugly hack (like, imagine what'd happen and how things blow up if there aren't any *.[mM][pP]3 files), protect your script by using nullglob or failglob, to sanitize the input. (yes, I'm only guessing the script does not handle errors)
Jun 15 23:16:55 <pupnik> thanks m-vo, i did my skype install with apt-get install
Jun 15 23:17:03 <lcuk> evening KotCzarny :)
Jun 15 23:17:15 <Toba> or you could save your stuff into more logical directories
Jun 15 23:17:18 <Toba> and just use rsync.
Jun 15 23:17:22 <Toba> *sigh*
Jun 15 23:17:23 <pupnik> m-vo do you know if it's possible to see 'chat' when in a conference call?  when i am in a voice call, i can not see the chat messages and url's that people send
Jun 15 23:17:40 <KotCzarny> more logical directories?!?!
Jun 15 23:17:47 <KotCzarny> that's against media libraries!
Jun 15 23:17:48 <dick-richardson> stop the sanity
Jun 15 23:18:16 <KotCzarny> what would be media libraries and scanning whole drives be for?
Jun 15 23:18:21 <Xxaxx> pupnik: impossible
Jun 15 23:18:33 <KotCzarny> </rant>
Jun 15 23:18:36 <dick-richardson> I'm still chuckling about the windows users and case insensitivity comment
Jun 15 23:18:36 <pupnik> Xxaxx: thanks :(
Jun 15 23:18:44 <Fatal> KotCzarny: :DDD
Jun 15 23:18:49 <Fatal> KotCzarny++
Jun 15 23:19:08 <pupnik> maybe next skype client could support multiple matchbox windows - one for the call dialogue, one for the chat window
Jun 15 23:19:55 <dick-richardson> can rsync be run remotely?
Jun 15 23:19:57 <dick-richardson> sorry, I had to
Jun 15 23:20:07 <pupnik> it's 1:20 AM: ramen noodle soup time
Jun 15 23:20:16 <KotCzarny> meal time here too
Jun 15 23:20:32 <KotCzarny> dick: yes, ssh
Jun 15 23:20:46 <dick-richardson> I know...was smartin' off
Jun 15 23:21:26 <dick-richardson> it was funny to me since I was aware and have used rsync for quite a bit and didn't think of it in this case
Jun 15 23:23:01 <Toba> lol.
Jun 15 23:31:01 <rm_you> back! Any new developments in the last couple days?
Jun 15 23:33:57 <GAN800> Just a lot of retardation and a few new ones from Darius.
Jun 15 23:33:58 <pupnik> RST38h: has an updated Spectrum emulator
Jun 15 23:35:04 <pupnik> oh and i'd also like skype to show me the list of people in a conference call, and hilight the nick when they're talking
Jun 15 23:35:08 <pupnik> so i can see who is saying what
Jun 15 23:36:03 <Xxaxx> :)
Jun 15 23:37:23 <pupnik> Cause it gets darn consufzilening
Jun 15 23:37:31 <pupnik> you work on skype Xxaxx ?
Jun 15 23:38:20 <pupnik> i was really impressed with the echo/feedback cancellation
Jun 15 23:45:43 <rm_you> GAN800: >_>
Jun 15 23:46:35 <Xxaxx> pupnik: no:)
Jun 15 23:53:57 * summatusmentis reads the rsync man page
Jun 16 00:00:00 <summatusmentis> so lcuk, when do we get to play?
Jun 16 00:02:45 <Atarii> can someone cat /etc/osso-software-version on 2008 please?
Jun 16 00:03:34 <summatusmentis> I don't have such a thing
Jun 16 00:03:56 <summatusmentis> oh, osso_software_version
Jun 16 00:04:06 <Atarii> yea sorry
Jun 16 00:04:09 <summatusmentis> RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0
Jun 16 00:04:35 <Atarii> thanks
Jun 16 00:04:56 <summatusmentis> sure thing
Jun 16 00:06:23 <dick-richardson> where are ssh connections logged?
Jun 16 00:17:35 <Anunakin> hi all!
Jun 16 00:18:36 <summatusmentis> look what you did, you broke it!
Jun 16 00:18:43 <Atarii> o dear
Jun 16 00:18:46 <Atarii> not again!
Jun 16 00:19:04 <dick-richardson> I removed that package
Jun 16 00:19:45 <Atarii> job interview tomorrow :S
Jun 16 00:19:55 <dick-richardson> I've got 51-3
Jun 16 00:19:57 <summatusmentis> w/ who?
Jun 16 00:20:13 <Atarii> healthcare company
Jun 16 00:20:20 <Xamusk> hi, I'm having a problem using N800 to make sip calls
Jun 16 00:20:20 <Atarii> QA system tester
Jun 16 00:20:37 <Xamusk> I can't do it either with telepathy nor with gizmo
Jun 16 00:20:39 <summatusmentis> intriguing
Jun 16 00:20:54 <Atarii> try skype
Jun 16 00:21:38 <Atarii> nite all
Jun 16 00:22:35 <Xamusk> Atarii, actually, I do want to use SIP because I also want to test if an VoIP ATA phone would work here
Jun 16 00:23:32 <Xamusk> currently, I'm able to use Ekiga in my laptop to call Ekiga's echo number with success
Jun 16 00:23:47 <Xamusk> but I can't do the same with the N800
Jun 16 00:27:17 <Xamusk> actually, the call even is made, but I neither receive nor send sound
Jun 16 00:31:23 <pupnik> hmm..
Jun 16 00:31:39 <pupnik> anybody want to skype me from an n800/n810?  i'm curious about the sound quality?
Jun 16 00:31:41 <Xamusk> apparently it's not a SIP problem, but an RTP one
Jun 16 00:34:03 <pupnik> somehow the mobile data operators are getting away with specifying "no voip" in their contracts
Jun 16 00:34:05 <KotCzarny> it's good
Jun 16 00:34:14 <pupnik> in germany
Jun 16 00:34:30 <KotCzarny> pupnik: what id/number?
Jun 16 00:35:04 <Xamusk> well... at least here they even don't have to... just because it's usually both too expensive and with very poor performance
Jun 16 00:46:25 <Xamusk> I guess telepathy isn't handling NAT correctly
Jun 16 00:46:46 <Xamusk> neither is Gizmo for the N800
Jun 16 01:03:44 <GAN800> Works fine here.
Jun 16 01:04:23 <Xamusk> by the way, text messaging is working fine
Jun 16 01:04:46 <Xamusk> it could be a router problem, but it's strange, because Ekiga works
Jun 16 01:07:21 <unixSnob> it pisses me off when the USB keyboard simply stops working.. still gets detected, but keystrokes are ignored
Jun 16 01:19:36 <GAN800> unixSnob, give it enough power then.
Jun 16 01:20:59 <unixSnob> GAN800: you might be on to something.. the keyboard is wireless, and the n800 gives usb power to the transceiver
Jun 16 01:21:18 <unixSnob> But what doesn't make sense is that it's been working most of the time
Jun 16 01:21:34 <unixSnob> Then it just quits.  cycling power doesn't fix it
Jun 16 01:26:51 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jun 16 01:27:03 <KotCzarny> power button doesn't work while charging?
Jun 16 01:27:12 <KotCzarny> ie. you can't lock nit while charging?
Jun 16 01:27:20 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jun 16 01:27:25 <KotCzarny> disregard me.
Jun 16 01:27:32 <KotCzarny> i was hitting fullscreen one..
Jun 16 01:29:58 <rm_you> lol
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Jun 16 02:17:56 <mikedep3331> hey, in ITOS 2008, what do I need to do to enable uPnP and SMB file sharing support for the file manager?
Jun 16 02:18:05 <mikedep3331> I just booted off my internal storage to test something
Jun 16 02:18:37 <Navi> mikedep3331, it detects shares on the network and does them automatically
Jun 16 02:19:00 <mikedep3331> hmm, I don't know why  they're not showing up. I will boot to SD card
Jun 16 02:23:42 <pupnik> whoah cool Navi
Jun 16 02:23:48 <pupnik> lurn sumfin every day
Jun 16 02:23:54 <Navi> O_o
Jun 16 02:24:22 <pupnik> haven't used smb in a while
Jun 16 02:24:41 <pupnik> nice feature
Jun 16 02:36:30 <Proteous_> smb shares can't have a password
Jun 16 02:36:40 <Proteous_> also, I've had them not show up sometimes
Jun 16 02:36:59 <rm_you> the upnp stuff won't work for me...
Jun 16 02:37:04 <Proteous_> closing and opening the file manager a few times till they finaly show up worked thou
Jun 16 02:37:21 <Proteous_> I have a tversity server running on a windows box that shows up in the file manager
Jun 16 02:37:24 <rm_you> the upnp servers all show up correctly, but it never lists any files shared (though my xbox 360 can see and play everything perfectly)
Jun 16 02:37:33 <Proteous_> ah
Jun 16 02:37:36 <Proteous_> don't know
Jun 16 02:38:23 <GAN800> rm_you, 360 upnp != everything else upnp
Jun 16 02:38:55 <rm_you> GAN800: ?
Jun 16 02:39:13 <rm_you> GAN800: it also works on other people's laptops >_>
Jun 16 02:39:24 <rm_you> AH
Jun 16 02:39:36 <rm_you> they work when browsed through the file manager!
Jun 16 02:39:41 <rm_you> just not when browsed through the media player
Jun 16 02:42:21 <GAN800> lol
Jun 16 02:42:52 <GAN800> Works fine here.
Jun 16 02:43:47 <rm_you> ok well apparently i'm just lying
Jun 16 02:43:54 <rm_you> now they work fine through the media player
Jun 16 02:44:05 <rm_you> i tried to get this working for like 2 hours yesterday <_<
Jun 16 02:44:16 <rm_you> i just found out about upnp sharing stuff like... a week ago
Jun 16 02:44:21 <rm_you> it's AMAZING
Jun 16 02:44:33 <rm_you> i don't know why more people havent yelled at me about this
Jun 16 02:45:06 <Proteous_> I love it, except for the part where I can't ff or rewind or skip around in videos
Jun 16 02:47:44 <sch> hi....i got a question here.
Jun 16 02:48:21 <Proteous_> how do penguins keep from getting cold even in the snow?
Jun 16 02:48:27 <Proteous_> I've always wondered that myself
Jun 16 02:48:38 <GAN800> Haha
Jun 16 02:49:21 <Proteous_> instead of asking if you can ask a question you should just spit it out
Jun 16 02:50:03 <sch> when i shutdown x-server on maemo, why the screen still stay on there?and after a few minutes ,it's go to black screen ,when i touch the screen, it got to blank screen...my question is why we need stay a few minutes there??
Jun 16 02:50:46 <Proteous_> I don't have x-server running on my tablet
Jun 16 02:51:30 <Proteous_> I do know when I exit from the terminal app it doesn't quit, it just goes to a blank window
Jun 16 02:51:43 <Proteous_> then I have to quit the program manualy
Jun 16 02:53:10 <sch> no , if i close a app , it should quit, although sometime ,there need time to wait..
Jun 16 02:54:50 <Proteous_> sometimes programs don't do what you wish they would...
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