**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 16 02:59:57 2008
Jun 16 03:10:59 <n800m> i love FBReader
Jun 16 03:11:06 <n800m> for the record
Jun 16 03:11:41 <Navi> Woo
Jun 16 03:11:53 <Navi> I love lcuk's magical never-ever-seen reader
Jun 16 03:12:15 <n800m> does it have fancy scrolling?
Jun 16 03:12:55 <n800m> i thought a cool feature for a reader would be a bitmab background
Jun 16 03:13:14 <n800m> bitmap
Jun 16 03:13:42 <Navi> iono
Jun 16 03:13:50 <Navi> Eh, background would be annoying
Jun 16 03:14:21 <n800m> the most relaxing on my eyes is a not-quite-white
Jun 16 03:14:28 <n800m> yellowish tint
Jun 16 03:14:39 <n800m> and it took me a few books to find it
Jun 16 03:15:17 <Navi> You can set the BG color
Jun 16 03:15:25 <n800m> yeah i have
Jun 16 03:16:00 <n800m> but it'd be fancy having a backgrounds with different shades at margins
Jun 16 03:16:18 <n800m> i'd bet that'd be pretty comfortable
Jun 16 03:19:54 <n800m> i've never thought about this before today for some reason, but is there a way to install diferent fonts?
Jun 16 03:22:52 <n800m> yes!
Jun 16 03:23:24 <Navi> Same way on any leenucks, I think
Jun 16 03:34:01 <skibur> Does "The Mana World" game work on the N800?
Jun 16 03:34:27 <summatusmentis> oh... that'd explain why my rsync kept failing
Jun 16 03:34:39 <summatusmentis> :-/ I need a bigger mini-sd card
Jun 16 03:34:46 <summatusmentis> s/bigger//
Jun 16 03:34:46 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: :-/ I need a  mini-sd card
Jun 16 03:35:01 <summatusmentis> s/bigger //
Jun 16 03:35:01 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: :-/ I need a mini-sd card
Jun 16 03:38:57 <mikedep333> hey, does canola2 ignore MP4 files? that is what the official video convertor outputs to
Jun 16 03:39:50 <rm_you> the official video converter is horrible
Jun 16 03:39:56 <rm_you> i recommend mediautils
Jun 16 03:40:07 <rm_you> tablet-encode
Jun 16 03:41:22 <mikedep333> thx
Jun 16 03:51:47 <beford> tablet-encode doesn't work on my pc
Jun 16 03:51:57 <beford> it returns some X errors
Jun 16 03:52:00 <beford> and closes
Jun 16 03:52:00 <ameng> Hi, where I can get source of mplayer-maemo?
Jun 16 03:52:44 <Navi> ameng, there should be an svn repo on their garage page
Jun 16 04:07:46 <lopz> night
Jun 16 06:05:24 <unique311> anyone knows why in the maemo logo from maemo.org the is is in orange?
Jun 16 06:05:54 <unique311> E
Jun 16 06:06:48 <unique311> i want to take part in the logo contest.  Just trying to get more info on the current logo.
Jun 16 06:14:46 <Navi> no reason
Jun 16 06:15:32 <unique311> ok
Jun 16 06:15:36 <unique311> thanks
Jun 16 06:55:18 <herwood> hi
Jun 16 07:25:23 <ameng> Hi, when i compiled mplayer-maemo from source , I get below errors:
Jun 16 07:25:29 <ameng> idct_armv5te.c: In function `idct_row':
Jun 16 07:25:29 <ameng> idct_armv5te.c:125: warning: ISO C90 forbids mixed declarations and code
Jun 16 07:25:29 <ameng> /var/tmp/cceuLti0.s: Assembler messages:
Jun 16 07:25:29 <ameng> /var/tmp/cceuLti0.s:187: Error: selected processor does not support `smulbb r3,r2,lr'
Jun 16 07:25:38 <ameng> Any one can help out?
Jun 16 07:25:45 <KotCzarny> wrong flags
Jun 16 07:26:34 <vegai> wrong CPU?
Jun 16 07:27:02 <ameng> I compile it in scratchbox
Jun 16 07:27:15 <ameng> I only run ./configure with no args
Jun 16 07:27:22 <vegai> ameng: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg10193.html
Jun 16 07:27:24 <ameng> then make
Jun 16 07:28:27 <ameng> vegai:Thx
Jun 16 07:36:14 <crashanddie> hey guys, need some help, fast
Jun 16 07:37:41 <glass> asking the question is often much faster than just yelling for "help"
Jun 16 07:37:55 <crashanddie> yeah I'm figuring out how to ask this, hang on
Jun 16 07:38:16 <glass> nobody really bothers to answer generic calls for "help" on irc as it's usually futile to try to help someone who doesn't know what he needs help with
Jun 16 07:38:31 <RST38h> heheh
Jun 16 07:38:34 <crashanddie> dude, been on IRC for the past 15 years :)
Jun 16 07:38:58 <KotCzarny> slow learner, huh?
Jun 16 07:39:01 * KotCzarny grins
Jun 16 07:39:04 <crashanddie> ^^
Jun 16 07:40:26 <crashanddie> on my NIT, I have a special repository (my personal repository), stored as deb http://address/~user/maemo binary, or deb-src http://address/~user/maemo source
Jun 16 07:41:33 <RST38h> a'ok
Jun 16 07:41:35 <crashanddie> how would I go and input those settings in the application manager ?
Jun 16 07:41:47 <RST38h> Slow learner indeed.
Jun 16 07:42:12 <RST38h> There is a menu option.
Jun 16 07:42:18 <crashanddie> cuz everything i've tried results in miserable fail, and I'm starting to be quite stressed out (said device is part of my final exam in less than a few hours)
Jun 16 07:42:37 <crashanddie> err, less than couple of days, rather
Jun 16 07:43:06 <crashanddie> RST38h, yeah, I know, application catalogue, hit new, then add the info, but like I said, everything i've tried failed !
Jun 16 07:44:14 <RST38h> maybe there is no repository at address you are entering?
Jun 16 07:44:20 <RST38h> have you checked with a web browser?
Jun 16 07:44:26 <crashanddie> yeah, it's there
Jun 16 07:44:38 <crashanddie> plus, my NIT uses it fine
Jun 16 07:44:45 <KotCzarny> how about editing /etc/apt/ or /etc/dpkg/ ?
Jun 16 07:44:56 <RST38h> you have just said that your NIT has problems with it?
Jun 16 07:45:08 <crashanddie> the school one can't access it
Jun 16 07:45:16 <crashanddie> as in, I can't add it properly, so to see
Jun 16 07:45:27 <crashanddie> KotCzarny, I don't have root access on the device
Jun 16 07:45:39 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jun 16 07:45:46 <KotCzarny> hack it ;)
Jun 16 07:45:50 <crashanddie> I can't, really
Jun 16 07:45:52 <crashanddie> not my device
Jun 16 07:46:01 <RST38h> maybe the school one has a different configuration that prevents overly smart students from messing with it?
Jun 16 07:46:11 <lcuk> you are trying to get a computer on the school network to use your repo which is on your home network and accessed via your home NIT via a home lan local address
Jun 16 07:46:12 <lcuk> ?
Jun 16 07:46:32 <crashanddie> lcuk, nope, my server is here at school, brought it from home, cuz we needed it
Jun 16 07:46:55 <crashanddie> lcuk, all devices are on this local subnet, aka 192.168.66.*
Jun 16 07:46:59 <lcuk> check the subnets and make sure everyone can ping each other
Jun 16 07:47:11 <crashanddie> can't ping on the NIT if I'm not root
Jun 16 07:47:21 <aquatix> sudo ping?
Jun 16 07:47:24 <lcuk> can ping to it though cant you
Jun 16 07:47:33 <lcuk> sudo wont work on default device
Jun 16 07:47:38 <aquatix> ah indeed
Jun 16 07:47:38 <lcuk> for default things
Jun 16 07:47:53 <lcuk> morning btw \o
Jun 16 07:48:17 <aquatix> heya :)
Jun 16 07:49:20 * lcuk laughs at Marcels email re: maemo.org downtime cancelled due to technical difficulties
Jun 16 07:49:30 <KotCzarny> lol
Jun 16 07:49:48 <lcuk> surely thats a technical win?
Jun 16 07:50:08 <crashanddie> ok, the NIT can access the repo, for sure
Jun 16 07:50:13 <KotCzarny> bugs ate the admin sent to down the servers
Jun 16 07:50:43 <lcuk> literally... big spiders block the server cabinet
Jun 16 07:50:59 <crashanddie> I just get the error "unable to refresh application list, unable to access repositories, check network"
Jun 16 07:51:19 <crashanddie> I just tried using the browser on said NIT, and I can access the repo no problem...
Jun 16 07:51:41 <crashanddie> Could be other repos are down ?
Jun 16 07:51:43 <lcuk> is it other repos that are a problem?
Jun 16 07:51:55 * lcuk looks at screen..
Jun 16 07:52:01 <lcuk> right back later
Jun 16 07:52:05 <lcuk> (short stay)
Jun 16 07:53:06 <aquatix> lcuk: *g* - we got the same here with a server of ours
Jun 16 07:53:26 <aquatix> planned do bring it down to do upgrades, but hit some technical difficulties, cancelling the maintenance :)
Jun 16 07:55:22 <ranit> hi, I am trying to develop Qt app on maemo. can i make use of Hildon framework or do i have to make use of any other framework
Jun 16 07:56:28 <aquatix> maemo doesn't support qt yet, iirc
Jun 16 07:56:57 <X-Fade> ranit: qt4.garage.maemo.org
Jun 16 07:57:43 <ranit> aquatix: but i 've already run a simple app
Jun 16 07:57:47 <atul_> Hi am trying to put XULRunner on to maemo any suggetions How to ?
Jun 16 07:58:44 <aquatix> ranit: ah, check X-Fade's link then
Jun 16 07:58:49 <aquatix> and ignore me ;)
Jun 16 07:59:25 <X-Fade> This community qt4 project will be supported for Fremantle.
Jun 16 07:59:58 <ranit> ok
Jun 16 08:00:10 <X-Fade> After the Fremantle release we have Harmattan with fully integrated qt4.
Jun 16 08:02:29 <AStorm> good for you
Jun 16 08:02:36 <AStorm> and I'll have my WM earlier than that
Jun 16 08:02:40 <AStorm> so you will use it ;P
Jun 16 08:04:25 <AStorm> hopefully
Jun 16 08:04:32 <AStorm> assuming xcb works on maemo
Jun 16 08:04:39 <AStorm> does it?
Jun 16 08:06:23 <AStorm> does anyone know that?
Jun 16 08:06:41 * aquatix doesn't
Jun 16 08:07:11 <aquatix> AStorm: your WM?
Jun 16 08:07:27 <AStorm> aquatix: yes, one I'm writing, in Python for additional configurability
Jun 16 08:07:37 <aquatix> interesting
Jun 16 08:07:42 <AStorm> not that it's cpu-intensive or memory-intensive anyway
Jun 16 08:07:45 <aquatix> what does it better than the current one?
Jun 16 08:07:57 <AStorm> right now, it can connect to X server, thank you very much ;P
Jun 16 08:08:00 <AStorm> so, nothing
Jun 16 08:08:13 <aquatix> ah :P
Jun 16 08:08:26 <AStorm> what it will do, is be a full-blown WM, not matchbox
Jun 16 08:08:27 <aquatix> ok, but will it do better ;)
Jun 16 08:08:32 <aquatix> check :)
Jun 16 08:09:00 <AStorm> to add, it will support various placement policies
Jun 16 08:09:00 <joyious> Hi, I have some questions about the usage of omapfb drivers
Jun 16 08:09:00 <AStorm> coded in python
Jun 16 08:09:10 <joyious> could someone help me with that ?
Jun 16 08:09:10 <AStorm> and have pluggable decoration modules
Jun 16 08:09:29 <AStorm> it won't do trays, for that, there may be a separate app
Jun 16 08:09:35 <AStorm> (there are a few already)
Jun 16 08:09:45 <AStorm> (including panels, so why bother myself)
Jun 16 08:10:55 <AStorm> the feature set I want to reproduce is XMonad's one, maybe Ion3 one
Jun 16 08:11:29 <AStorm> but in a cleaner way
Jun 16 08:12:01 <AStorm> unlike these, it will later support Cairo
Jun 16 08:12:57 <aquatix> AStorm: cool :)
Jun 16 08:13:16 <AStorm> (as a pluggable decoration module)
Jun 16 08:14:42 <GAN800> lol, smplayer (from qt4) actually works pretty well as an mplayer frontend.
Jun 16 08:14:48 <AStorm> why wouldn't it?
Jun 16 08:14:59 <AStorm> it is one of the best frontends to it
Jun 16 08:15:18 <GAN800> Semi-complete Qt port.
Jun 16 08:15:20 <AStorm> maybe excluding canola ;P
Jun 16 08:42:55 <crashanddie> ok well, I got bored, and did was I was told *not* to do... And flashed the NIT and gave myself root access
Jun 16 08:44:15 <aquatix> crashanddie: :)
Jun 16 08:44:27 <KotCzarny> here comes security of nits
Jun 16 08:44:28 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 16 08:44:56 <crashanddie> yeah well, don't ask me to develop on one without R&D mode, it's just stupid
Jun 16 08:47:00 <AStorm> crashanddie: why?
Jun 16 08:47:06 <AStorm> R&D is just root control
Jun 16 08:47:19 <AStorm> you can install easyroot and forget about R&D
Jun 16 08:47:41 <crashanddie> R&D is also showing other stuff in the app manager
Jun 16 08:48:09 <AStorm> no
Jun 16 08:48:12 <AStorm> that's red pill
Jun 16 08:48:19 <AStorm> independent of R&D
Jun 16 08:48:30 <macoute> any diablo users again? :)
Jun 16 08:48:42 <AStorm> macoute: no, it's closed beta ;P
Jun 16 08:48:48 <macoute> are you using the old kernel?
Jun 16 08:48:54 <AStorm> no, my own
Jun 16 08:48:56 <macoute> AStorm: oh yeah, i forgot :)
Jun 16 08:49:08 <macoute> modified from diablo?
Jun 16 08:49:25 <macoute> which initfs?
Jun 16 08:50:37 <AStorm> ...
Jun 16 08:50:40 <AStorm> no, built myself
Jun 16 08:50:49 <AStorm> the chinook 4.0.1 version
Jun 16 08:50:55 <AStorm> fanoush initfs, modified
Jun 16 08:51:18 <AStorm> I've problems with the TSC2005, it's getting multiple clicks
Jun 16 08:51:31 <AStorm> not sure why, probably either a race condition
Jun 16 08:51:36 <AStorm> lack of debounce
Jun 16 08:51:38 <AStorm> or so
Jun 16 08:51:57 <pupnik> btw os2008 is real stable here
Jun 16 08:52:04 <pupnik> don't think it gets enough credit for that
Jun 16 08:53:14 <pupnik> rehi ssvb
Jun 16 08:53:31 <AStorm> pupnik: it is, yes
Jun 16 08:54:23 <pupnik> what is TSC2005 AStorm
Jun 16 08:55:19 <AStorm> TouchScreen Controller <number>
Jun 16 08:55:28 <AStorm> the chip controlling the touchscreen in n810
Jun 16 08:55:36 <AStorm> (n800 uses tsc2301)
Jun 16 08:57:42 <pupnik> ahcha
Jun 16 09:26:48 <thp> has anyone gotten sqlite3 to compile on for the internet tablets?
Jun 16 09:45:17 <kulve> isn't it installed by default?
Jun 16 09:45:27 <kulve> at least the lib is
Jun 16 09:46:56 <thp> oh.. ok
Jun 16 09:47:06 <thp> but i didn't see it in scratchbox.. strange
Jun 16 09:48:49 <kulve> apt-cache search libsqlite3
Jun 16 09:48:50 <kulve> libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library
Jun 16 09:48:50 <kulve> libsqlite3-dev - SQLite 3 development files
Jun 16 09:49:32 <thp> now, just tell me that python-pysqlite2 is also available?
Jun 16 09:50:10 <kulve> my apt-cache search doesn't show it..
Jun 16 09:57:26 <Atarii> does the maemo SDK vmware image have the latest scratchbox?
Jun 16 09:57:27 <Atarii> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 16 10:20:56 <pupnik> btw perhaps the greatest science fiction short story i've read is E.M. Forester's "The Machine Stops" from 1909  http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html  (12000 words)
Jun 16 10:22:53 <pupnik> *Forster*
Jun 16 10:27:53 <Atarii> bookmarked for later pupnik :
Jun 16 10:27:56 <Atarii> :p*
Jun 16 11:23:09 <qos_> hey guys ...
Jun 16 11:23:39 <keesj> hi
Jun 16 11:31:21 <lardman> Any recomendations for OCR for code?
Jun 16 11:31:36 <lardman> OCR programs that is
Jun 16 11:33:51 <keesj> lardman: I think there are only two working ones (gocr) being one of them
Jun 16 11:34:40 <lardman> keesj: yeah, that's what it looks like from wikipedia
Jun 16 11:35:00 <keesj> ocrad being the other on http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html
Jun 16 11:35:28 <keesj> (I played with booth when using kooka)
Jun 16 11:37:17 <lardman> I just installed some Russian software - cuneiform - but have no idea what it is telling me :)
Jun 16 11:37:24 <lardman> am at work using WinXP atm
Jun 16 11:37:32 <keesj> all your base ....
Jun 16 11:37:43 <lardman> yeah, probably something like that
Jun 16 11:37:44 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 11:38:11 <keesj> I work 4 "only" day's a week  so a home atm while kids are dreaming .
Jun 16 11:38:45 <lardman> I'm going to head home now, lunch & fire up the Linux box and see if either of those OCR packages do the job
Jun 16 11:38:47 <keesj> there are probably also bar code scannners using webcam
Jun 16 11:39:05 <lardman> Otherwise I'll be typing out ~40 pages of FORTRAN :(
Jun 16 11:39:40 <keesj> an other great tools is found as pluing in inkscape . it transforms bitmaps in vectors
Jun 16 11:39:49 <lardman> I was writing one of those :)
Jun 16 11:40:12 <lardman> barcode -> number for a book db
Jun 16 11:40:30 <lardman> Must finish that off at some point... :)
Jun 16 11:43:25 <keesj> version 1.0 , I just fixed the last bug
Jun 16 11:58:20 <thp> is there an admin of the maemo extras repository around?
Jun 16 11:58:41 <X-Fade> thp: What's up?
Jun 16 11:59:09 <thp> X-Fade: i uploaded a package that shouldn't go into the extras repository
Jun 16 12:00:35 <X-Fade> thp: Broken package?
Jun 16 12:01:09 <thp> X-Fade: i packaged pysqlite2, because it's going to be a dependency of my app soon, only to note that sqlite3 support is already in python2.5, so this package is not really needed
Jun 16 12:03:10 <X-Fade> thp: I'll try to find out what the proper procedure is to remove a package.
Jun 16 12:03:42 <aquatix> rm -rf ;)
Jun 16 12:03:44 * aquatix hides
Jun 16 12:04:17 <thp> thanks. i just uploaded it, so it's not yet available publically, i think. but i want to avoid confusing some people by providing a pysqlite2 package when sqlite3 support (what pysqlite2 provides) is already available in python2.5
Jun 16 12:07:05 <X-Fade> thp: Is there a dependency problem?
Jun 16 12:07:44 <thp> X-Fade: no, the package has not yet been published, and no package depends on it
Jun 16 12:11:16 <lcuk> i know im gonna get shot for this, but: is mdbtools (or an alternative) available for maemo, nothing is coming up in  my google foo
Jun 16 12:11:44 <X-Fade> thp: The package is already in the repo. So removing it is not that trivial.
Jun 16 12:12:55 <lcuk> x-fade if its already there and someone else uploads it, does that replace the version thats there?  ie could a user of malicious (or not) intent accidentally replace a known good support package with something more worrysome, and wouldnt the proper procedure be to restore from backup
Jun 16 12:13:13 <thp> X-Fade: yep, seems like it just got copied into the pool
Jun 16 12:13:40 <thp> lcuk: it has not been there when i uploaded it ten minutes ago, but it got published now in the repository/pool
Jun 16 12:13:47 <qos_> does somebody want to test a traffic counter applet?
Jun 16 12:14:05 <Atarii> to get the / directory in filemaanger i use the command "ln -s [INSERT ADDRESS] /" can someone fill in the blank for me please?
Jun 16 12:15:06 <keesj> qos_: sounds fun what is it?
Jun 16 12:15:20 <keesj> ooo network traffic I guess?
Jun 16 12:15:21 <lardman> Atarii: /home/user/MyDocs/
Jun 16 12:15:22 <thp> Atarii: ln -s /home/user/MyDocs/root /
Jun 16 12:15:31 <Atarii> thanks, to both
Jun 16 12:15:39 <lardman> Atarii: but be careful as the metacrawler will get itself stuck in a loop
Jun 16 12:15:47 <Atarii> ye
Jun 16 12:15:52 <Atarii> ive stopped metacrawler
Jun 16 12:16:02 <qos_> keesj, an applet which counts the transfered traffic ... i wrote it for getting an overview of my HSDPA usage
Jun 16 12:16:14 <thp> Atarii: actually, it's ln -s / /home/user/MyDocs/root
Jun 16 12:16:27 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 12:16:51 <keesj> qos_ not really I was hoping for some weird "count cars based on the driven speed/allowed or recorded sound"
Jun 16 12:16:54 <Atarii> o right cheers
Jun 16 12:17:28 <qos_> keesj, for something like that you was hoping for :)?
Jun 16 12:18:25 <Anunakin> hi  all!
Jun 16 12:18:32 <keesj> would have been fun right? perhaps speed in counted wifi spots /second
Jun 16 12:19:16 <qos_> nobody who wants take a look? i just want to make sure that it runs fine even on other devices than my developer thing...
Jun 16 12:19:24 <thp> X-Fade: so, there's nothing we can currently do about that package?
Jun 16 12:19:42 <keesj> density of and area. average iq of the people based on the wifi accedd name
Jun 16 12:20:36 <lcuk> keesj, if your neighbours type like you then your local area will take a dive :P
Jun 16 12:20:38 <X-Fade> thp: I'll try to get it removed. But we need to rebuild indexes etc. So it is quite some work.
Jun 16 12:20:51 <thp> X-Fade: thanks :)
Jun 16 12:21:00 <X-Fade> thp: Need to see if I have a minute of free time somewhere today..
Jun 16 12:21:20 <keesj> haha
Jun 16 12:22:18 <thp> sorry for messing up there, but i suppose you should have some easy procedure for removing packages, anyway (for situations where people upload packages that have an incompatible license, etc..)
Jun 16 12:23:22 <X-Fade> thp: Well, we're working towards a community ran repository. So please propose a plan for that ;)
Jun 16 12:24:11 <lcuk> keesj, traffic would be good by using published roas speed vs actual travelling speed.  would be even nicer with bluetooth p2p connections between cars to show localvariation
Jun 16 12:24:39 * lcuk just noticed the iq around manchester just drop as well
Jun 16 12:25:08 <thp> there are good examples for community-ran repository out there already - look at the debian and ubuntu repositores. they are a bit more difficult to get packages into, but i believe they can remove packages a bit easier and also check every package before accepting it into the repository (although i like the easier and more straightforward way of getting packages into chinook-extras ;)
Jun 16 12:26:26 <RST38h> thp: We definitely DO NOT want to complicate the package commit process
Jun 16 12:26:29 <qos_> thp, how do i get packages into chinook extras?
Jun 16 12:26:41 <RST38h> Because in this case, nobody will commit to your new community-run repository
Jun 16 12:27:22 <thp> yep, that's why i like it
Jun 16 12:27:48 <thp> qos_: read http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html
Jun 16 12:27:59 <qos_> thp, thx
Jun 16 12:36:40 <macoute> qos_: i will try it soon, after my cloning and upgrading is finished again :)
Jun 16 12:39:30 <qos_> macoute, nice. when will this be?
Jun 16 12:41:22 <macoute> qos_: half an hour at most
Jun 16 12:41:49 <macoute> you can send me the package/tarball/.install/whatever already
Jun 16 12:44:14 <macoute> have you tried the rotation kernel btw?
Jun 16 12:44:28 <macoute> it is working and stable and all?
Jun 16 12:48:00 <qos_> i am using it all the time ... best feature ever ...
Jun 16 12:53:57 <crashanddie> Hey, I wanted to know, what should you put in the makefile so that the .desktop and .service files get installed correctly ?
Jun 16 12:54:32 <kulve> desktop_DATA = your.dekstop
Jun 16 12:54:57 <kulve> and to configure.ac:
Jun 16 12:54:59 <kulve> desktopdir=`pkg-config osso-af-settings --variable=statusbardesktopentrydir`
Jun 16 12:54:59 <kulve> AC_SUBST(desktopdir)
Jun 16 12:55:10 <crashanddie> eeh ?
Jun 16 12:57:55 <crashanddie> kulve, sorry, didn't quite get that... You wouldn't have a link to something a little more verbose ? (sorry, again)
Jun 16 12:58:01 <kulve> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html
Jun 16 12:58:10 <kulve> there's the more verbose version ;)
Jun 16 12:58:37 <crashanddie> wait, I thought .desktop was to get something in the menu ?
Jun 16 12:58:44 <crashanddie> Not a desktop widget
Jun 16 12:59:21 <kulve> well, yes, it's use for that too
Jun 16 12:59:57 <kulve> I need to go, maybe you'll guess the right lines from that document too.. Or find the right one from the maemo.org
Jun 16 13:06:25 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Ping?
Jun 16 13:10:10 <qos_> macoute, whats about the testing ;)
Jun 16 13:11:37 <macoute> qos_: taking a minute more, i was already testing the kernel but saw that battery was low and its now loading up for flashing (and usability too :))
Jun 16 13:11:53 <macoute> qos_: but do you have the file already somewhere?
Jun 16 13:15:47 <sinak> hello. Is there a N800 owner??
Jun 16 13:16:18 <sinak> I want to ask something abouts its battery
Jun 16 13:16:27 <florian> sure
Jun 16 13:16:51 <sinak> is N800 battery enough to watch a movie?
Jun 16 13:17:00 <sinak> (sorry for my bad english :-p )
Jun 16 13:17:38 <florian> sinak: I guess so... not sure how much power it needs, but I would assume it lasts longer than an average movie.
Jun 16 13:18:00 <sinak> i hope sou :-)
Jun 16 13:19:19 <sinak> a friend of mine told me that it's running a debian based os
Jun 16 13:19:22 <lcuk> sinak, the runtime of your n800 playing movies will depend upon a few things: video encoding format and resolution.  high resolution movies which require a lot of CPU power to decode will tax the battery more than lower resolution films.  but on average ive been able to easily watch movies with mine :)
Jun 16 13:19:24 <sinak> is this correct?
Jun 16 13:20:21 <florian> sinak: more or less... it is quite similar and uses the same package format
Jun 16 13:20:38 <sinak> nice :-)
Jun 16 13:22:00 <qos_> macoute, did you get it?
Jun 16 13:22:08 <sinak> lcuk i dont want to watch movies in high res. just a regular avi :-p
Jun 16 13:23:57 <lcuk> sinak :) just trying to inform you based upon the information i had
Jun 16 13:25:06 <sinak> :-)
Jun 16 13:29:57 <sinak> is its console as powerful as linux's??
Jun 16 13:32:50 <||cw> sinak: it is linux.
Jun 16 13:33:34 <sinak> nice :-)
Jun 16 13:33:58 <||cw> by default it has very few gnu tools installed though, but most everything is available
Jun 16 13:34:30 <sinak> and how can i install them?
Jun 16 13:35:00 <sinak> are any packages like .deb?
Jun 16 13:36:23 <qos_> macoute, still there?
Jun 16 13:37:34 <||cw> sinak: yes, maemo.org has an application catalog, you click a link from the brower on the device and the software source is installed, then the application is installed
Jun 16 13:37:47 <sinak> cool :-)
Jun 16 13:37:54 <||cw> then it can be kept up to date just like any other apt/dpkg based system
Jun 16 13:38:10 <sinak> ||cw the only thing that bothers me, is its battery life
Jun 16 13:38:34 <||cw> sinak: it is average for the form factor
Jun 16 13:38:56 <sinak> can i see a couple of avi movies?
Jun 16 13:39:00 <lcuk> dim the screen slighty and you go a lot further, just like every other mobile device :)
Jun 16 13:39:10 <sinak> because i'm travelling a lot
Jun 16 13:39:29 <||cw> depends on length, and encoding
Jun 16 13:39:45 <sinak> mm..
Jun 16 13:40:36 <||cw> if you re-encode to a low res and optimized bitrate, you'll get pretty far
Jun 16 13:41:12 <||cw> and it can be recharged with a standard nokia n-series travel charger too, so most any outlet will do
Jun 16 13:41:43 <sinak> Ah this is very good :-)
Jun 16 13:42:25 <lardman> note to self, be careful of must-iterate pragmas in crc code
Jun 16 13:43:01 <||cw> does the 800/810 still use a common nokia battery like the 770 does?
Jun 16 13:43:15 <RST38h> yes
Jun 16 13:43:35 <||cw> so a spare battery would be easy to manage too
Jun 16 13:44:18 <sinak> if the movie has an encoding like this 772 kbps XviD 23.976 FPS ?
Jun 16 13:44:57 <||cw> that would be very high
Jun 16 13:45:40 <florian> ||cw: But the batteries a different: 770 and N800 use a BP-5L, but the N810 has a different one...
Jun 16 13:45:49 <||cw> on the 770, I do 240x144 350kbps
Jun 16 13:46:14 <||cw> looks very good too
Jun 16 13:46:35 <sinak> ok I will reduce it then :-)
Jun 16 13:46:39 <||cw> that's for widescreen, for 4:3 I do 176:144
Jun 16 13:46:50 <sp3000> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html does useful presets and things
Jun 16 13:47:17 <||cw> the 8xx should handle bigger, but the smaller the more battery life, just make sure it's a factor of the original
Jun 16 13:47:46 <RST38h> tablet-encode sucks
Jun 16 13:48:00 <sp3000> *shrug* it wfm
Jun 16 13:48:21 <qos_> does somebody want to test a traffic counter applet? just want to make sure that it runs fine on other devices than on the device it was developed on ...
Jun 16 13:48:23 <||cw> what sucks about it
Jun 16 13:48:35 <hendry> is there a recommended httpd for maemo?
Jun 16 13:48:42 <||cw> qos_: what does it use to get the counts?
Jun 16 13:48:45 <RST38h> it defaults to dismal output quality
Jun 16 13:48:57 <qos_> ||cw /proc/net/dev
Jun 16 13:48:58 <RST38h> and also manages to crash on my ubuntu machine
Jun 16 13:49:01 <||cw> RST38h: so don't use the defaults
Jun 16 13:49:12 <RST38h> not mencoder but tablet encode itself crashes
Jun 16 13:49:20 <||cw> qos_: that should work on any linux device with a tcp stack
Jun 16 13:49:28 <sp3000> --preset best isn't too complicated ;)
Jun 16 13:49:30 <RST38h> cw: I can just as well use mencoder directly then
Jun 16 13:49:34 <sp3000> haven't noticed it dying much
Jun 16 13:49:41 <RST38h> best preset still sucks
Jun 16 13:49:46 <sinak> ||cw is there any better battery for sale for N800??
Jun 16 13:50:13 <||cw> sinak: no, it's already as good as can fit in the form factor
Jun 16 13:50:22 <||cw> as with most cell phone batteries
Jun 16 13:50:24 <qos_> ||cw, it is a python applet... i don't worry about the mechanism to get to counts. more about dependencies and stuff like this ...
Jun 16 13:50:49 <sinak> I see
Jun 16 13:51:04 <||cw> qos_: ah, so you really just want to test the .deb's dependancies?
Jun 16 13:52:14 <jitu3485> can someone tell me how to install xulrunner on CHINOOK
Jun 16 13:52:30 <qos_> ||cw, and the rest of the behavoir ... perhaps there are recommendations or bugs i don't know about
Jun 16 13:57:13 <sinak> ||cw have you tried running N800 without battery but while charging?
Jun 16 13:58:52 <||cw> i have a 770, but I don't thing it would run without battery
Jun 16 13:59:08 <sinak> :-/
Jun 16 14:07:47 <sinak> is there a vlc player for N800?
Jun 16 14:08:47 <qos_> sinak, i heard about a console one ... but no gui
Jun 16 14:09:00 <qos_> sinak, in general no
Jun 16 14:09:53 <sinak> i see
Jun 16 14:12:26 <lardman> What on Earth is that email going on about - parish councils?!
Jun 16 14:12:40 <X-Fade> ;)
Jun 16 14:12:56 <lardman> I should really email and say he means County Councils, but I don't want to stoke the flames any more
Jun 16 14:13:02 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 14:13:23 <GAN800> RST38h, you do realize you can change the presets, right? The presets are designed to A. work well when streamed and B. Generally be compatible with the 770.  It'll take you all of two minutes to set your own. :/
Jun 16 14:13:35 <GAN800> X-Fade, ping.
Jun 16 14:13:52 <X-Fade> GAN800: ping request timed out.
Jun 16 14:13:58 <sp3000> jitu3485: I grabbed a fennec that pulls a xulrunner, the other day; from blassey on people.mozilla plus extras-devel and sdk repo for dependencies
Jun 16 14:14:15 <sp3000> depends on what you're looking for I suppose
Jun 16 14:14:19 <GAN800> s/ping/pong/
Jun 16 14:14:19 <infobot> GAN800 meant: X-Fade, pong.
Jun 16 14:15:48 <jitu3485> sp3000, i want to run xul application in CHINOOK
Jun 16 14:26:29 <summatusmentis> morning all
Jun 16 14:28:19 <florian> hi summatusmentis
Jun 16 14:28:54 <qwerty12> afternoon summatusmentis
Jun 16 14:30:10 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: is it 3:30 there?
Jun 16 14:30:17 <qwerty12> Yep :)
Jun 16 14:30:29 <summatusmentis> you're in the same time zone as my GSoC mentor
Jun 16 14:30:45 <qwerty12> Cool
Jun 16 14:31:08 <summatusmentis> lol, I guess... just commenting
Jun 16 14:32:09 <qwerty12> I planned on booting up windows but GRUB decided to launch me into linux.
Jun 16 14:32:14 * qwerty12 gets that off my chest
Jun 16 14:32:22 * qwerty12 says random things
Jun 16 14:33:43 <summatusmentis> I planned on sleeping last night, but instead my gf got all weird on me
Jun 16 14:37:37 <johnx> summatusmentis, way to make the channel go silent
Jun 16 14:37:39 <johnx> :P
Jun 16 14:38:15 <aquatix> summatusmentis: can we fill in `weird' ourselfs?
Jun 16 14:38:35 <Atarii> lol
Jun 16 14:38:51 * qwerty12 is reminded of Gucci Mane - Freaky Gurl
Jun 16 14:39:25 <GAN800> qwerty12 or johnx, can either of you reproduce with blanking bug?
Jun 16 14:39:31 <GAN800> s/with/my/
Jun 16 14:39:31 <infobot> GAN800 meant: qwerty12 or johnx, can either of you reproduce my blanking bug?
Jun 16 14:39:44 <johnx> GAN800, link?
Jun 16 14:40:26 <qwerty12> ^
Jun 16 14:40:38 <GAN800> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
Jun 16 14:41:46 <johnx> yes, I've run into that
Jun 16 14:41:47 <qwerty12> I remember that happening once on a file hoster site (and you know the amount of ads they carry)
Jun 16 14:41:50 <aquatix> o/` She's a superfreak, superfreak, she's superfreakeeey o/`
Jun 16 14:41:52 * aquatix runs
Jun 16 14:42:02 <summatusmentis> aquatix: I... oh... well, feel free, but it wasn't a good thing :)
Jun 16 14:42:06 <summatusmentis> johnx: my apologies
Jun 16 14:42:14 <aquatix> summatusmentis: awww :)
Jun 16 14:42:18 <GAN800> Can you stick a comment in there to that effect?
Jun 16 14:42:31 <johnx> summatusmentis, sorry, I was just being mean... :(
Jun 16 14:42:35 <summatusmentis> aquatix: she's 1/2 way across the country :)
Jun 16 14:42:41 <johnx> summatusmentis, I hope everything worked out
Jun 16 14:42:52 <aquatix> GAN800: i have that with the rss reader now and then
Jun 16 14:42:55 <qwerty12> aquatix, She A Very Freaky Girl Dont Bring Her To Mamma, First You Get Her Name Then You Get Her Number, Then You Get Some Brain In The Front Seat Of The Hummer
Jun 16 14:43:08 <summatusmentis> johnx: no worries, mean-ness is warrated when the discussion is mercilessly killed, dragged out back, and buried
Jun 16 14:43:10 <lardman> keesj: I recommend Tesseract, no perfect but certainly far better than ocrad or gocr
Jun 16 14:43:10 <johnx> GAN800, I had the problem on google.com
Jun 16 14:43:16 <aquatix> qwerty12: i don't think i'm familiar with that rap :)
Jun 16 14:43:24 <qwerty12> Heh :)
Jun 16 14:43:35 <X-Fade> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php
Jun 16 14:43:39 <X-Fade> pimp my url ;)
Jun 16 14:43:51 <GAN800> aquatix, Diablo?
Jun 16 14:44:07 <aquatix> GAN800: nope, plain released os2008
Jun 16 14:44:16 <qwerty12> GAN800, Is it ok if I don't include a URL where it happened? I don't remember exact URL but I can confirm it
Jun 16 14:44:16 <summatusmentis> aquatix: it's a good thing you're not familiar w/ the rap, it's probably bad if qwerty12 likes it >_>
Jun 16 14:44:23 <aquatix> summatusmentis: *g*
Jun 16 14:45:08 <GAN800> qwerty12, yeah, that's fine.
Jun 16 14:47:27 <qwerty12> Hmm, was the microb updated in 4.2008.23-14?
Jun 16 14:47:39 <GAN800> Yes.
Jun 16 14:49:29 <GAN800> 'Maemo community is the sum of developers working openly on the Maemo platform and compatible applications. It includes users of Maemo software with different levels of experience and expertise, interested in all kinds of collaboration and contributions to the project.'
Jun 16 14:49:45 * johnx claps
Jun 16 14:49:46 <RST38h> Koreans develop smelly, blushing penguin-droid!
Jun 16 14:49:49 <GAN800> lol, which is it? <_<
Jun 16 14:50:14 <dmz> howdy everyone, anyone here know how to get gpecalendar to display a full calendar day (mine stops @ 10pm and I can't seem to get my late night appointments opened)
Jun 16 14:50:17 <johnx> GAN800, who cares? it *sounds* good. :D
Jun 16 14:50:31 <GAN800> Not to my ear. :P
Jun 16 14:51:04 <macoute> anyone using agps-ui?
Jun 16 14:51:10 <johnx> GAN800, just stick an 'or' in the middle, and a 'use whichever description you feel like' at the end
Jun 16 14:51:31 <GAN800> johnx, notmyjob
Jun 16 14:51:43 <johnx> GAN800, an even better answer :)
Jun 16 14:51:44 <lardman> dmz: iirc in the settings you could change when the days starts, etc,.
Jun 16 14:51:59 <qwerty12> GAN800, done
Jun 16 14:52:06 <lardman> dmz: that may not be precise enough for you though, sorry
Jun 16 14:54:43 <hullfandan> Does anyone know of any projects or people using (or trying to use) USB Bluetooth adapters in USB host mode in Maemo?
Jun 16 14:55:11 <summatusmentis> macoute: I've looked at it
Jun 16 14:55:26 <macoute> summatusmentis: did it worked for you?
Jun 16 14:55:33 <macoute> and which tablet are you using?
Jun 16 14:55:48 <summatusmentis> it seeemd to, but I had to poke at where I was, and then it worked, didn't like finding my location based on network
Jun 16 14:55:52 <summatusmentis> I'm on an n810
Jun 16 14:56:12 <macoute> im too on n810 and it surely doesnt help me getting a fix any faster...
Jun 16 14:56:16 <Mikho_> hullfandan, why do you need a bluetooth adapter in maemo?
Jun 16 14:56:33 <summatusmentis> macoute: part of that might be weather, it saw sats faster for me
Jun 16 14:57:03 <macoute> summatusmentis: it did? are you running some special kernel?
Jun 16 14:57:16 <macoute> and you did need to point your location yourself?
Jun 16 14:57:31 <qwerty12> kernel dont have nothing to do with gps
Jun 16 14:57:37 <summatusmentis> I did have to point to my location myself, not running a special kernel
Jun 16 14:57:39 <qwerty12> + you can't run it on N810 anyway
Jun 16 14:57:52 <macoute> it really should have something to do (drivers)?
Jun 16 14:58:15 <macoute> could someone verify that it can find a location on a n810 only using wifi/packet data
Jun 16 14:58:16 <qwerty12> All that is handled by gpsdriver & gpsd iirc
Jun 16 14:58:18 <hullfandan> Mikho, I want to use multiple class 1 bluetooth devices, not just the built in class 2 bluetooth addapter
Jun 16 14:58:33 <macoute> qwerty12: could be
Jun 16 14:58:56 <summatusmentis> diablo updates itself?
Jun 16 14:58:58 <macoute> qwerty12: for you it does find its location?
Jun 16 14:59:05 <qwerty12> macoute, N800 here
Jun 16 14:59:07 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, SSU
Jun 16 14:59:26 <macoute> qwerty12: yeah, but it does? (or do you even have a gps dongle?)
Jun 16 14:59:44 <macoute> well actually it should find its location without the gps too :)
Jun 16 14:59:52 <qwerty12> macoute, How can it if the N800 has no GPS?
Jun 16 14:59:54 <macoute> approximate location, that is
Jun 16 15:00:01 <macoute> qwerty12: external gps
Jun 16 15:00:01 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: weird... I wasn't expecting that
Jun 16 15:00:31 <qwerty12> macoute, I very much doubt it works with an external GPS (which works a lot better than the N810 anyway)
Jun 16 15:00:32 <macoute> qwerty12: and it is A-GPS, so IIRC it shouldnt use gps at all
Jun 16 15:00:49 * wnd giggles
Jun 16 15:00:57 <bmidgle1> argh, my ubuntu machine crashes when doing the 'echo 0 > sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled'
Jun 16 15:01:00 <summatusmentis> wait, it said it's gonna reboot, will that break my initfs?
Jun 16 15:01:00 <bmidgle1> required by the sdk
Jun 16 15:01:17 <hullfandan> I have already reflashed a 770 with OS2007 hacker edition with usb host mode enabled.  And also built a power injector to provide USB devices with the 5v that the 770 can't provide. I now need to set up drivers/BlueZ to use the usb adapter instead of the internal one if possible
Jun 16 15:01:45 <qwerty12> bmidgle1, create a new line in menu.lst with vdso=0 and see if it boots fine
Jun 16 15:02:12 <bmidgle1> qwerty12 thanks, will try that
Jun 16 15:02:12 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, It doesn't flash the initfs if it's too big (which it is)
Jun 16 15:02:28 <dmz> lardman the problem i guess i'm having is i don't see a settings option for gpecalendar
Jun 16 15:02:37 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: so it'll be fine then
Jun 16 15:02:54 <lardman> dmz, I'm just going from memory, so won't be much more help I'm afraid
Jun 16 15:02:58 <macoute> but i doesnt even understand how can it use wifi to find its location, the agps
Jun 16 15:03:20 <macoute> iirc wifi standards do not say anything about location-awareness
Jun 16 15:03:41 <summatusmentis> macoute: it's ip based, it tells you roughly where you're located, and then the gps takes over, getting a better lock on sats that are closer, iirc
Jun 16 15:04:04 <macoute> summatusmentis: so ít _that_ rough. ok
Jun 16 15:04:15 <macoute> packet data should get a more precise guess?
Jun 16 15:04:25 <macoute> if its not using only ip too?
Jun 16 15:05:03 <summatusmentis> I don't know that much about it
Jun 16 15:05:48 <macoute> from wikipedia: The Assistance Server can locate the phone roughly by what cell site it is connected to on the cellular network.
Jun 16 15:06:00 <macoute> so it should get a pretty precise appoximation :)
Jun 16 15:06:18 <summatusmentis> there's no cell connection
Jun 16 15:06:34 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: it's just sitting aththe Nokia screen now...
Jun 16 15:06:43 <macoute> why not? i mean the packet data
Jun 16 15:06:52 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Happened to me once and once only
Jun 16 15:07:21 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: what'd you do?
Jun 16 15:07:26 <qwerty12> reflashed :/
Jun 16 15:07:27 <qwerty12> Anyway, someone a jffs2 expert here?
Jun 16 15:08:03 <summatusmentis> well crap. Is there a way to re-flash to diablo?
Jun 16 15:08:14 <macoute> no
Jun 16 15:08:23 <qwerty12> Chinook > Diablo
Jun 16 15:08:39 <summatusmentis> crap
Jun 16 15:08:45 <qwerty12> Anyway, can jffs2 images be "compressed"
Jun 16 15:08:46 <summatusmentis> I need to fix my initfs, at least
Jun 16 15:08:59 <macoute> qwerty12: isnt jffs a compressed fs?
Jun 16 15:09:12 <macoute> so compressing wouldnt help much
Jun 16 15:09:41 <qwerty12> macoute, yes it is but Nokia chinook rootfs's are ~120MB but a rootfs dumped off my device with just diablo installed comes to 251MB >.<
Jun 16 15:09:54 <qwerty12> I don't know if I have a chance in hell of flashing that
Jun 16 15:10:12 <macoute> qwerty12: it should compress when you dump it back to jffs2-filesystem
Jun 16 15:10:35 <macoute> dont know nothing about that, but it is "automatical" in a compressed filesystem, if i got what you meant
Jun 16 15:10:54 <qwerty12> Good point actually, I don't know if it is actually jffs2 or just named rootfs.jffs2
Jun 16 15:10:57 <macoute> so copying a file from ext2 to jffs2 ends up making that smaller
Jun 16 15:11:31 <qwerty12> I believe flash is ~251MB and I think it dumped all of that. I'll just have to see when I mess up diablo and try reflashing this rootfs
Jun 16 15:11:55 <johnx> qwerty12, or just run file
Jun 16 15:12:19 <qwerty12> johnx, thx, "backup/rootfs.jffs2: Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian"
Jun 16 15:12:39 <qwerty12> Sounds good to me, I think it dumped /everything/ including blank space
Jun 16 15:12:46 <johnx> interesting
Jun 16 15:13:08 <qwerty12> Ah, well, if this works, goodbye to the apt-get method of installing diablo for me everytime I mess up
Jun 16 15:17:17 <qwerty12> And if this doesn't work, I can use a cloning script to mount up / to /opt and use that mtd-utils that I compiled (thanks to fanoush's source) ^-^
Jun 16 15:21:11 <bmidgle1> qwerty12 that worked... i'm back in business
Jun 16 15:21:19 <bmidgle1> or will be after another 10 steps
Jun 16 15:21:22 <qwerty12> Great
Jun 16 15:21:23 <qwerty12> heh
Jun 16 15:21:58 <qwerty12> I blame the hardy release of ubuntu. Setting up sbox in gutsy was a breeze
Jun 16 15:22:18 <bmidgle1> qwerty12 any other gotchas?
Jun 16 15:22:50 <qwerty12> the mmap value: Thanks to inz: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/
Jun 16 15:23:46 <qwerty12> If that mmap value isn't lowered, then installing the sbox results in a lot of errors during the apt-get process (I made my mmap value permanent using sysctl)
Jun 16 15:23:57 <inz> qwerty, I think any distro running 2.6.24 (or newer) will hit the same mmap problem
Jun 16 15:24:38 <qwerty12> Ah, (I'm sorry ubuntu for just blaming you, will flowers make it up?)
Jun 16 15:24:44 <inz> =)
Jun 16 15:26:59 <summatusmentis> he left :-/
Jun 16 15:27:36 <lardman> probably crashed
Jun 16 15:27:49 <bmidgle1> ubuntu took him out
Jun 16 15:28:52 <lardman> compiler flags and various #pragmas made sbc marginally faster - I can hear a couple of seconds now
Jun 16 15:29:04 <lardman> but I need to alter the code now
Jun 16 15:29:16 <bmidgle1> lardman did you find the old version ok?
Jun 16 15:29:20 <lardman> yes thanks
Jun 16 15:29:41 <lardman> I'm reading the sbc spec doc for an overview
Jun 16 15:29:54 <bmidgle1> have you been able to dig up enough about the dsp to recode stuff?
Jun 16 15:30:12 <lardman> oh there's loads of info about what to do on the DSP, just no worked examples
Jun 16 15:30:38 <bmidgle1> the spec is funny... it looks like they wrote in a bunch of inefficiencies so they could sell an "optimized" version
Jun 16 15:30:40 <lardman> lots of tips about what sorts of loops to produce, etc., so just a case of working out what the code does and see if I can re-write it
Jun 16 15:30:46 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 15:31:10 <lardman> I'm looking at intrinsics atm, parallel multiplies & other ops
Jun 16 15:31:14 * GAN800 guesses he should start transitioning wikipedia to the new trademark/naming scheme.
Jun 16 15:31:51 <Toba_> o_o?
Jun 16 15:31:59 <bmidgle1> lardman have you written for a dsp before?
Jun 16 15:32:13 <lardman> nope
Jun 16 15:32:19 <lardman> all a learning experience :)
Jun 16 15:32:36 <bmidgle1> heh good job
Jun 16 15:32:49 <lardman> well you've got to start somewhere hey!? :)
Jun 16 15:33:36 <megosdog> Hi there.  Does anyone konw if the Nokia N810 has a 2gb limit on flash cards?  I'm using an adapter for the MiniSD slot so I can use a MicroSD card in the unit.  Problem is, the largest MicroSD card I can use is a 2gb.
Jun 16 15:33:52 <megosdog> I'd like to use an 8gb if possible.
Jun 16 15:33:55 <lardman> hmm, no I've got a 4Gb card iitc
Jun 16 15:33:58 <lardman> iirc
Jun 16 15:34:14 <lcuk> megosdog, i beleive you need the SDHC variety
Jun 16 15:34:16 <bmidgle1> megosdog some 4gb cards are not sdhc
Jun 16 15:34:22 <lardman> ah
Jun 16 15:34:28 <megosdog> Hmm, well all I've got is 2gb and 8gb cards.  The 8gb cards are all SDHC.
Jun 16 15:34:29 * lcuk waves \o
Jun 16 15:34:30 <GAN800> Hardware limit is 2048GB
Jun 16 15:34:43 <Toba_> aka REALLY BIG
Jun 16 15:34:54 * Toba_ wants to get a 16GB SDHC card... do such things exist?
Jun 16 15:34:55 <johnx> current driver limit is probably 32GB
Jun 16 15:34:56 * lcuk facepalms @ darius emails
Jun 16 15:34:56 <Toba_> I've only seen 8gb ones
Jun 16 15:34:58 <nn800n> i don't think so
Jun 16 15:35:06 <nn800n> unless it's specifically microSD
Jun 16 15:35:28 <GAN800> 16GB SDHC cards exist
Jun 16 15:35:28 <summatusmentis> Toba_: I've been looking for one too, can't find one
Jun 16 15:35:34 <nn800n> i'm using a 16 Gb + an 8 Gb one, but SD
Jun 16 15:35:39 <Toba_> GAN800: really?
Jun 16 15:35:46 <megosdog> Well, as I said, I'm using an SDHC MicroSD card via a MiniSD adapter.
Jun 16 15:36:02 <megosdog> Could it maybe be my adapter?
Jun 16 15:36:03 <summatusmentis> GAN800: oh, I suppose that's true, the mini/micro sdhc ones don't
Jun 16 15:36:19 <GAN800> Toba_, of course, but SDHC is the spec and says nothing about the card's dimensions.
Jun 16 15:36:31 <johnx> megosdog, the adapter is just a piece of plastic and metal, but if it doesn't make the connection well, that could be a problem
Jun 16 15:36:59 <GAN800> The question you want to ask is, Do 16GB MicroSD/MiniSD/SD cards exist?
Jun 16 15:37:15 <lardman> lcuk, lol
Jun 16 15:37:28 <summatusmentis> and the answer to which, is no
Jun 16 15:37:48 <qwerty12_N800> 16gb sd cards exist
Jun 16 15:37:53 <GAN800> For MicroSD/MiniSD
Jun 16 15:37:57 <summatusmentis> no micor/mini sd ones
Jun 16 15:38:05 <summatusmentis> oh, I missed the SD at the end
Jun 16 15:38:07 <GAN800> 32GB SD cards exist.
Jun 16 15:38:10 <summatusmentis> s/micor/micro/
Jun 16 15:38:39 * GAN800 nees to figure out how to write the new intro for the Maemo article. . . .
Jun 16 15:39:09 <qwerty12_N800> ~lart chkdsk
Jun 16 15:39:09 * infobot holds chkdsk to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
Jun 16 15:39:25 <megosdog> Ok, so if the unit can read 8gb cards, I should try again and see if it works?
Jun 16 15:39:30 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: can I pm you?
Jun 16 15:40:02 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, if you wish but expect slow replies
Jun 16 15:40:14 <summatusmentis> no worries, just a simple q
Jun 16 15:40:22 <lardman> megosdog, see what dmesg says about it
Jun 16 15:41:47 <megosdog> lardman: Ok.  Does dmesg work the same on the N810 as it does on linux?
Jun 16 15:42:02 <megosdog> I know the N810 is Linux powered, but I wasn't sure if a few adaptations were made or not.
Jun 16 15:42:03 <summatusmentis> it should
Jun 16 15:42:08 <megosdog> ok.  Let me check.
Jun 16 15:43:46 <GAN800> Is it the Maemo wiki or maemo.org wiki (latter makes more sense)? Maemo bugzilla or maemo.org bugzilla (former makes more sense)? :/
Jun 16 15:44:28 <qwerty12_N800> I've never thought of Maemo as maemo.org.
Jun 16 15:45:17 <GAN800> qwerty12_N800,
Jun 16 15:45:19 <GAN800> qwerty12_N800, you paying attention to the wiki?
Jun 16 15:45:43 <lardman> GAN800: depends on whether your adjective describes belonging or location
Jun 16 15:45:45 <qwerty12_N800> No, tbh. (unless you mean the logo contest?)
Jun 16 15:46:45 <GAN800> qwerty12_N800, then do. ;) lardman, I'm thinking for an external link on wikipedia.
Jun 16 15:47:01 <GAN800> i.e., the proper name.
Jun 16 15:47:02 <qwerty12_N800> maybe
Jun 16 15:47:15 <lardman> maemo.org wiki I'd say
Jun 16 15:47:28 <lardman> but the bugtracker is probably Maemo
Jun 16 15:47:40 <lardman> Maemo bugtracker at maemo.org
Jun 16 15:47:42 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 15:47:49 <GAN800> lol
Jun 16 15:49:48 <n800m> logo contest?
Jun 16 15:51:05 <lardman> I'm off, sbc spec to digest. See you all later on
Jun 16 15:51:21 <qwerty12_N800> Bye lardman
Jun 16 15:51:23 <megosdog> lardman: Ok, works now.  I wonder why it didn't work before.  Weird.
Jun 16 15:53:43 <megosdog> Ok, next question of the day.  How do I change which program is used to load a given file?  I've added mplayer and would prefer that be used to load videos rather than the default player.
Jun 16 15:53:57 <pupnik> that could be made easier imo
Jun 16 15:54:06 <qwerty12_N800> search for dbus-switchboard
Jun 16 15:54:23 <pupnik> whoah nice qwerty12_N800
Jun 16 15:54:38 <megosdog> dbus?
Jun 16 15:54:49 <pupnik> ah no hildon-y UI yet
Jun 16 15:55:11 <pupnik>  How To : Associate MPlayer, Transmission, and other apps as default handler
Jun 16 15:55:26 <pupnik> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17757
Jun 16 15:56:37 <unique311> maemo.org,  why not just maemo  (logo contest...)
Jun 16 15:57:19 <qwerty12_N800> I just think maemo.org sounds shit compared to Maemo.
Jun 16 15:57:24 <megosdog> Ah, thanks pupnik!
Jun 16 15:57:51 <unique311> I already have the winner.....
Jun 16 15:57:57 <unique311> but without .org
Jun 16 15:57:59 <unique311> lol
Jun 16 15:58:04 <unique311> so i'm fecked
Jun 16 15:58:11 <pupnik> thanks to pipeline
Jun 16 15:58:31 <pupnik> cheers unique311
Jun 16 15:58:36 <GAN800> unique311, read the Task:Maemo brand page. . . .
Jun 16 15:58:42 <unique311> whats up pupnik
Jun 16 15:58:48 <unique311> i did
Jun 16 15:58:52 <pupnik> not much good news here
Jun 16 16:13:49 <lopz> hola
Jun 16 16:14:09 <johnx> hi
Jun 16 16:20:58 <macoute> my agps-ui surely doesnt work
Jun 16 16:21:10 <macoute> or then i have some serious problems with the gps itself
Jun 16 16:21:28 <macoute> it sees 10-12 satellites but wont get a connect with one of them
Jun 16 16:21:48 <macoute> and i was standing on a bridge with wide open sky and i rebooted
Jun 16 16:21:57 <macoute> it still takes from 5 minutes to infinity
Jun 16 16:22:20 <jumpula> to the infinity and beyond!
Jun 16 16:22:44 <pupnik> keep working on it
Jun 16 16:22:44 <megosdog> Does anyone know of a better quality battery meter than the one that comes with the unit?  The default one's ability to guess the power remaining leaves a lot to be desired.
Jun 16 16:23:16 <qwerty12> megosdog, battery-status (www.nitapps.com) and if you are technically inclined, kcbatt
Jun 16 16:24:00 <Khertan> Hi !
Jun 16 16:24:12 <summatusmentis> hi Khertan
Jun 16 16:25:29 <megosdog> thanks
Jun 16 16:26:07 <pdx-jacques> Hi all, first time #maemo visitor here. I'm trying to get the SDK up and running and having some issues. Do I need to chroot to the maemo/etch dist folder before using sb2?
Jun 16 16:26:34 <Khertan> re
Jun 16 16:26:44 <summatusmentis> hi again Khertan :)
Jun 16 16:26:55 <pupnik> pdx-jacques: i go to /scratchbox and start with ./login
Jun 16 16:27:08 <Khertan> 3g network is unstable today in paris
Jun 16 16:27:08 <johnx> pupnik, is this in sb2 or sb1?
Jun 16 16:27:09 <qwerty12> pupnik, Not with SB2
Jun 16 16:27:26 <pupnik> oh
Jun 16 16:27:33 <pupnik> sb1 here i guess
Jun 16 16:27:37 <pdx-jacques> I'm following the wiki directions with 4.0 & sb2
Jun 16 16:27:46 <qwerty12> (although for reference "scratchbox" works fine instead of cd'ing and running ./login)
Jun 16 16:28:01 <pupnik> oh ty
Jun 16 16:28:12 <summatusmentis> wtf? my n810 just rebooted halfway through diablo install
Jun 16 16:28:22 <summatusmentis> and now we're in a reboot loop
Jun 16 16:28:24 <summatusmentis> yay!
Jun 16 16:28:36 <johnx> summatusmentis, you forgot to turn on no-lifeguard-reset?
Jun 16 16:28:38 <Micheal> mine just started rebooting while connecting to my wifi
Jun 16 16:28:46 <summatusmentis> johnx: oh... probably
Jun 16 16:29:03 <Micheal> every time I try to connect, it freezes up and restarts
Jun 16 16:29:16 <johnx> Micheal, hmm...well that doesn't sound good.
Jun 16 16:29:19 <Micheal> clearing the device doesn't even help
Jun 16 16:29:19 <pdx-jacques> I'm trying to run apt-get update, and it's telling me it can't lock the list directory (no such file). I've made sure my user owns the folder and trashed the lock file, but still the same error.
Jun 16 16:29:26 <johnx> did it always do this? when did it start?
Jun 16 16:29:34 <Micheal> just today
Jun 16 16:29:39 <Micheal> worked fine yesterday
Jun 16 16:29:46 <Micheal> nothing installed or downloaded in that time
Jun 16 16:29:52 <Micheal> plenty of free memory
Jun 16 16:30:41 <Micheal> i just did a "clear device" and that didnt even help
Jun 16 16:30:44 <summatusmentis> johnx: I forgot that an RD mode :)
Jun 16 16:31:03 <Micheal> although I wonder how clear the device is when the sound themes package doesnt get wiped
Jun 16 16:31:04 <johnx> Micheal, clear device? you mean a reflash or something else?
Jun 16 16:31:20 <Micheal> no while in control panel, there is an option to clear device
Jun 16 16:31:26 <summatusmentis> but now it's just sitting... wonderful
Jun 16 16:31:29 <Micheal> which is supposed to reset it to factory
Jun 16 16:31:47 <Micheal> which really doesn't as it didnt clear my aftermarket themes, etc
Jun 16 16:33:25 <johnx> Micheal, probably just wiped your user's settings
Jun 16 16:33:30 <Micheal> im beginning to wonder if it isn't being caused by a theme conflict
Jun 16 16:34:41 <Micheal> ahh got it to connect w/o restarting but now it's slow as molassas
Jun 16 16:34:51 <Micheal> damn..there it goes
Jun 16 16:38:30 <summatusmentis> alright, this should work now... I'm gonna go eat
Jun 16 16:39:13 <macoute> Micheal: you should reflash the device
Jun 16 16:39:25 <Micheal> Im thinking thats about my only choice
Jun 16 16:39:41 <Micheal> but I was hoping I could figure out what caused the issue so it doesnt happen again
Jun 16 16:39:42 <pdx-jacques> so, I think I'm narrowing down my problem with sb2. If I run it and do `touch test` in my home folder, it's fine, but
Jun 16 16:39:43 <pdx-jacques> `cd /var`
Jun 16 16:39:45 <pdx-jacques> `touch test`
Jun 16 16:39:47 <pdx-jacques> gives
Jun 16 16:39:48 <pdx-jacques> touch: cannot touch `test': Read-only file system
Jun 16 16:39:50 <pdx-jacques> And my user owns the maemo dist folder...
Jun 16 16:39:54 <pdx-jacques> oops, sorry bot the multiline spam
Jun 16 16:41:11 <johnx> that might just be the way it works
Jun 16 16:41:31 <johnx> I'm not certain about how different directories are "mapped" in sb2...it's a little confusing
Jun 16 16:41:57 <pdx-jacques> well, it's causing apt-get to fail, so I'm not getting very far just yet
Jun 16 16:42:30 <Micheal> has anyone had problems getting "battle for wesnoth" to run on their 810?
Jun 16 16:42:57 <pdx-jacques> The -d options shows "SBOX_TOOLS_ROOT = /opt/maemo/dists/etch", the directory I have full rights to.
Jun 16 16:44:08 <GAN800> Michael, enable swap.
Jun 16 16:44:47 <Micheal> im fairly certain it is
Jun 16 16:45:00 <Micheal> but im flashing right now so next time I install it I will double check
Jun 16 16:45:54 <GAN800> Then check that your internal card isn't corrupted (partition table ships oversized on the N810, so it probably is), and that nothing is nuking the cpu in the background.
Jun 16 16:48:23 <Micheal> How do I check the internal card?
Jun 16 16:49:09 <GAN800> There's an article on interner tablet school about it.
Jun 16 16:49:15 <Micheal> ahh I will check
Jun 16 16:49:17 <GAN800> s/interner/internet/
Jun 16 16:49:17 <infobot> GAN800 meant: There's an article on internet tablet school about it.
Jun 16 16:49:43 <Micheal> Is that on the maemo site?
Jun 16 16:49:44 <pdx-jacques> Ok, same problem I described above while running sb2 as root.
Jun 16 16:52:54 <kulve> hmm.. does 2008os support "Audio/Video" bluetooth devices?
Jun 16 16:58:58 <GAN800> Michael, google is your friend.
Jun 16 16:59:48 <Micheal> yes it is
Jun 16 16:59:52 <Micheal> already found it
Jun 16 16:59:54 <Micheal> thanks
Jun 16 17:00:38 <lardman> kulve: how do you mean? a2dp ones?
Jun 16 17:01:51 <kulve> lardman: I have a bt speaker and I can pair it as "audio/video device". But how do I get the audio there? If I pair my bt headset, the Media Player plays the audio to the headset automatically
Jun 16 17:02:22 <lardman> hmm, what do the speakers advertise themselves as>
Jun 16 17:02:24 <lardman> ?
Jun 16 17:02:27 <kulve> with this bt speaker paired, the media player still plays the audio from the n80x speakers
Jun 16 17:02:34 <kulve> how do I see that?
Jun 16 17:02:44 <lardman> My a2dp headset also does normal (phone-style) mono and I get auto-sound output from them
Jun 16 17:03:04 <lardman> Good question, what does the pairing dialog show them to be?
Jun 16 17:03:10 <kulve> in bt "Device details" the "Device type" is "Audio/Video"
Jun 16 17:03:26 <kulve> and supported profiles is empty..
Jun 16 17:03:36 <lardman> Otherwise hciscan or somesuch will tell you the supported BT profiles
Jun 16 17:04:20 <kulve> hmm.. According to the manual it suppots "bt Advanced audio distribution" and "bt audio/video remote control"
Jun 16 17:04:39 <kulve> or n8x0 should support those for this to work
Jun 16 17:04:40 <lardman> bt Advanced audio distribution = a2dp
Jun 16 17:04:46 <qwerty12> "bt audio/video remote control" - I would assume that to be AVRCP (spelling)
Jun 16 17:06:23 <qwerty12> If it doesn't do Mono, then pair it and use johnx's a2dp-support
Jun 16 17:07:10 <johnx> or edit like 2 files on your own :)
Jun 16 17:07:16 <lardman> kulve: you need Headset Profile (HSP)
Jun 16 17:07:27 <lardman> kulve: for it to work out-of-the-box
Jun 16 17:07:29 <kulve> I think that doesn't have hsp..
Jun 16 17:07:41 <kulve> ok, but editing whose two files it should work?
Jun 16 17:07:43 <lardman> well yes, a2dp support is the only way then
Jun 16 17:07:50 <kulve> what's the files?
Jun 16 17:07:56 <lardman> I'd install the scripts that johnx produced
Jun 16 17:07:58 <pdx-jacques> Ugh, I just remembered that sb2-init also failed for me on checking the ability to compile, but still reports overall success. Can this get any more confusing?
Jun 16 17:08:03 <lardman> I'll find the url for you
Jun 16 17:08:36 <johnx> pdx-jacques, never ask that. O_o
Jun 16 17:08:45 <lardman> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp deb attachment to the first post
Jun 16 17:09:38 <pdx-jacques> heh. I've been trying to get sb2 working for some time now, it's nothing but trouble so far. Does anyone here use it extensively?
Jun 16 17:10:29 <lardman> what package contains hciscan?
Jun 16 17:10:36 * qwerty12 would just scrap sb2 and get sb1 with qemu-arm-cvs and cs2008 toolchain
Jun 16 17:10:43 <qwerty12> lardman, bluez-utils-test iirc
Jun 16 17:10:54 <lardman> qwerty12: thanks
Jun 16 17:11:00 * pdx-jacques was just trying to follow the "suggested" sdk directions :P
Jun 16 17:11:19 <qwerty12> lardman, no wait it doesn't :/. unless you mean "hcitool scan"?
Jun 16 17:11:26 <pdx-jacques> I will give sb1 a try
Jun 16 17:11:48 <lardman> qwerty12: hcitool at least, cheers
Jun 16 17:12:38 <lardman> kulve: If you start using a2dp, you might be encouraged to look at the sbc code and how to optimise it to get it running in real time on the DSP
Jun 16 17:12:42 <lardman> dsp-sbc
Jun 16 17:12:47 <lardman> for the Garage project
Jun 16 17:14:08 <kulve> lardman: I've followed you posts but unfortunaly I'm pretty sure I can't optimize things like that..
Jun 16 17:14:56 <lardman> kulve: well I'm going to have a go, never say never and all that :)
Jun 16 17:15:31 <lardman> once I sort that out, using a2dp will be less processor intensive and may be better for the battery
Jun 16 17:19:46 <kulve> alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1158:(bluetooth_cfg) Error 22 while configuring device
Jun 16 17:20:04 <kulve> I tried with mplayer
Jun 16 17:20:17 <lardman> yeah, probably need to restart the device
Jun 16 17:20:21 <lardman> then enable a2dp again
Jun 16 17:20:31 <lardman> it can be a bit touchy
Jun 16 17:21:00 <johnx> kulve, if you haven't already rebooted that's definitely the problem
Jun 16 17:23:33 <kulve> hmm.. still same thing
Jun 16 17:25:24 <lardman> kulve: it can be a pita
Jun 16 17:25:48 <lardman> kulve: I spent 15min this morning turning this on then that off, etc., to get my headphones to work
Jun 16 17:26:18 <kulve> :/
Jun 16 17:28:41 <rdorsch> Hello, do I have to configure anything to attach headphones to the headphone jack on the N800 or N810??
Jun 16 17:29:01 <kulve> bo
Jun 16 17:29:07 <kulve> no
Jun 16 17:29:35 <rdorsch> I connected my N800 to my JBL on Stage III and got just a doc-doc-doc-doc-doc out of it?!
Jun 16 17:29:58 <rdorsch> I connected headphones and I hear only something on my left ear.
Jun 16 17:30:19 <johnx> did you press them all the way in
Jun 16 17:30:38 <johnx> one pair of mine require a little force to get seated all the way
Jun 16 17:30:43 <johnx> otherwise I only hear one channel
Jun 16 17:30:53 <rdorsch> yes, the same here. MANY THANKS
Jun 16 17:33:04 <johnx> sure. :) so it's working for you now?
Jun 16 17:35:27 <lardman> kulve: probably user error, I need to know the exact way to pair them and get them working, etc.
Jun 16 17:41:11 <macoute> was it so that in mmpc you cant choose output devices?
Jun 16 17:41:34 <macoute> i would like to choose whether i want to listen directly from a tablet or locally
Jun 16 17:41:40 <macoute> or both, sometimes maybe
Jun 16 17:42:07 <macoute> or do i need to run two instances of mpd on server so that the other streams, other one works as a remote controller?
Jun 16 17:44:03 <kulve> lardman: I paired it through the bt icon in the statusbar, -> new -> click -> pin -> set as trusted (default)
Jun 16 17:44:31 <kulve> I think I didn't do anything else. Actually I did pair it again while testing something..
Jun 16 17:45:20 <kulve> the speaker is still loading for the first time but I think it should be ready for action any way..
Jun 16 17:51:24 <Stskeeps> johnx: i might be interested in giving a hand with regarding debian - my interests are a base debian with console output working, with usb net working as a base installation to have a core platform
Jun 16 17:51:46 <johnx> Stskeeps, great!
Jun 16 17:52:03 <johnx> Some other people have come forward and said they're interested too
Jun 16 17:52:43 <johnx> we're talking about which direction to go in a thread on itt (and it's actually on-topic so far)
Jun 16 17:52:48 <johnx> let me grab a link...
Jun 16 17:52:59 <Stskeeps> yeah, i just read one of them
Jun 16 17:53:17 <johnx> ah, the "continuing development..." one?
Jun 16 17:53:20 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jun 16 17:53:26 <johnx> ok, cool
Jun 16 17:54:12 <johnx> what I'd like to do is just use debootstrap and have some scripts or packages that applied tablet specific hacks, rather than distributing a whole rootfs.tar
Jun 16 17:54:25 <Stskeeps> well, debootstrap on a desktop machine or on n800?
Jun 16 17:54:35 <johnx> first stage on a desktop for now
Jun 16 17:54:38 <Stskeeps> i was fighting a bit with debootstrap - stuff like md5sum doesn't exist ;)
Jun 16 17:54:55 <johnx> second stage on the tablet, chrooted from os2008
Jun 16 17:54:58 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jun 16 17:55:09 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, not everyone runs a form of unix to debootstrap with
Jun 16 17:55:19 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, noted
Jun 16 17:55:23 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: vmware player
Jun 16 17:55:26 <johnx> I'd like to get it running natively on the tablet
Jun 16 17:55:30 <Stskeeps> minimal linux dist that can debootstrap
Jun 16 17:55:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 17:55:48 <Micheal> ok wow. it still reboots every time I try to connect to wifi, even after a flashing the OS
Jun 16 17:55:48 <johnx> I mean really, what's up with a linux machine that's not self hosting?
Jun 16 17:55:59 <johnx> Micheal, ugh O_o
Jun 16 17:56:07 <Micheal> this just blows my mind
Jun 16 17:56:12 <johnx> Micheal, that sounds like a defective unit
Jun 16 17:56:20 <Micheal> i even reformatted the internal memory card
Jun 16 17:56:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: first step is (in my mind), a script that constructs a tarball with the console active and maybe usbnet
Jun 16 17:56:36 <qwerty12_N800> Micheal, Tried a different AP?
Jun 16 17:56:38 <Stskeeps> that would be a good starting point
Jun 16 17:56:43 <Micheal> seems odd that I would have this unit for six months w/o an issue then suddenly wifi went nuts
Jun 16 17:56:46 <X-Fade> luck^: ping?
Jun 16 17:56:48 <Micheal> access point?
Jun 16 17:56:52 <Micheal> no I haven't
Jun 16 17:56:56 <Stskeeps> well, not "maybe usbnet", definately
Jun 16 17:56:57 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 17:57:04 <Micheal> but why would it matter really?
Jun 16 17:57:07 <johnx> Stskeeps, It might be just as easy to make that a package
Jun 16 17:57:21 <Stskeeps> what does enabling console consist of?
Jun 16 17:57:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, modprobing a couple modules
Jun 16 17:57:39 <Stskeeps> k
Jun 16 17:57:43 <johnx> and echo 1 > /sys/...
Jun 16 17:58:21 <johnx> a deb with modules and a deb with an init script would make a lot of sense
Jun 16 17:58:41 <johnx> in the meantime, a .tar.gz with modules and an init script are a start
Jun 16 17:58:50 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jun 16 17:59:14 <Stskeeps> and a svn with a script that constructs this
Jun 16 17:59:18 <Stskeeps> on a desktop machine
Jun 16 17:59:29 <johnx> hmm? constructs what?
Jun 16 17:59:50 <Stskeeps> well runs debootstrap into a directory, puts in the init script/modules and tars it :P
Jun 16 18:00:07 <johnx> hmm
Jun 16 18:00:18 <johnx> since the second part needs to happen on the tablet anyways...
Jun 16 18:00:54 <johnx> my current workflow: (desktop) stage 1 debootstrap onto sd card in reader -> (tablet) stage 2 debootstrap onto sd card in tablet -> hacks
Jun 16 18:00:57 <Stskeeps> well one stage could be on desktop, second could be on tablet (cp'ing in needed modules), and then second stage debootstrap
Jun 16 18:01:00 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jun 16 18:01:13 <johnx> no need to tar it for personal use
Jun 16 18:01:25 <Stskeeps> well, i don't have a sd card reader at home, so
Jun 16 18:01:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 18:01:28 <johnx> as a bonus you can use the n800 as your card reader :)
Jun 16 18:01:38 <Stskeeps> .. excepting n800
Jun 16 18:01:42 <konttori> any cool applications developed / ported recently?
Jun 16 18:01:47 <johnx> Stskeeps, way ahead of you :D
Jun 16 18:03:21 <Stskeeps> so where is the console hack in the file system of the beta3 debian?
Jun 16 18:03:33 <johnx> in init.d/tablet-utils
Jun 16 18:03:43 <johnx> all tablet specific stuff is supposed to be there
Jun 16 18:04:11 <johnx> but the info on how to do it is from fanoush
Jun 16 18:04:13 <Stskeeps> k
Jun 16 18:04:24 <johnx> the modules are available from a separate thread if you want
Jun 16 18:04:35 <Atarii> does rdesktop work in 2008?
Jun 16 18:05:12 <Stskeeps> johnx: sure?
Jun 16 18:05:43 <qwerty12_N800> fanoush's module pack & fb_update_mode
Jun 16 18:05:53 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=bootsplash
Jun 16 18:05:57 <Stskeeps> ta
Jun 16 18:09:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: you already made tablet-utils deb though?
Jun 16 18:09:56 <Stskeeps> (browsing through tar.gz)
Jun 16 18:10:16 <johnx> Stskeeps, well, that package is from somewhere else
Jun 16 18:10:20 <Stskeeps> ah
Jun 16 18:10:29 <johnx> I modified some of the scripts after installing it
Jun 16 18:10:36 <johnx> I need to provide proper patches to it
Jun 16 18:12:00 <konttori> hmm.. python-hildondesktop packages are still not in the chinook extras
Jun 16 18:12:45 <qwerty12_N800> I think they are  under different name
Jun 16 18:13:03 <konttori> really?
Jun 16 18:13:11 <konttori> ah. any idea what name?
Jun 16 18:13:13 <qwerty12_N800> hildon-desktop-python-loader
Jun 16 18:13:25 <macoute> i had problems a second ago with diablos python-hildondesktop
Jun 16 18:13:39 <macoute> i have it installed but some prog wouldnt install because it is "missing"
Jun 16 18:14:03 <n800m> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/11/camspace-creates-a-wii-for-everyone-minus-the-nintendo-console/
Jun 16 18:14:06 <konttori> nope. in : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages
Jun 16 18:14:27 <konttori> you can only find dependencies to hildon-desktop-python-loader
Jun 16 18:14:35 <konttori> (and python-hildondesktop)
Jun 16 18:16:27 <Stskeeps> johnx: a script could also get around some closed-source things (if it was an installer on the n800, and maybe just loaded directly from firmware?) - not sure what the view on this is since it is debian afterall :P
Jun 16 18:16:45 <johnx> yes
Jun 16 18:16:53 <johnx> a cleaner way to do that is on the TODO list
Jun 16 18:16:59 <johnx> well...my mental TODO list
Jun 16 18:17:10 <johnx> maybe I should write that out and post it somewhere :)
Jun 16 18:17:15 <Stskeeps> perhaps ;)
Jun 16 18:17:34 <johnx> tomorrow
Jun 16 18:17:49 <Stskeeps> atleast a lean-and-mean but loginable dist is a good way to start, with scripts that construct the distribution (in one or more stages)
Jun 16 18:18:08 <Stskeeps> then an infrastructure of the OS can be built on top (xfce, or other packages)
Jun 16 18:18:08 <Atarii> n800m thats awesome
Jun 16 18:18:28 <n800m> pretty cool
Jun 16 18:19:06 <johnx> Stskeeps, right
Jun 16 18:19:33 <johnx> my first phase succeeded though: I got people's attention who would help with the second phase: doing it right :D
Jun 16 18:19:59 <GAN800> johnx, move Debian to maemowiki?
Jun 16 18:20:01 <Stskeeps> i hacked a debian onto a mgb100 .. wifi harddrive. that was fun :P
Jun 16 18:20:03 <qwerty12_N800> All part of johnx's evil master plan muhahaha
Jun 16 18:20:44 <johnx> GAN800, hmm...maybe?
Jun 16 18:20:56 <johnx> that really struck me as stepping on toes
Jun 16 18:21:04 <GAN800> How so?
Jun 16 18:21:14 <johnx> debian is pretty much the definition of not-maemo at this point
Jun 16 18:21:20 <GAN800> It's the perfect place for it!
Jun 16 18:21:32 <GAN800> wiki.maemo.org is a community thing
Jun 16 18:21:44 <GAN800> Debian stuff is relevant to community interest.s
Jun 16 18:22:04 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, you could argue maemo uses deb package system
Jun 16 18:22:07 <GAN800> besides, there was way old Debian stuff on there already.
Jun 16 18:22:33 <johnx> GAN800, I'll probably just put new documentation on maemo wiki then
Jun 16 18:22:49 <johnx> you're right...I'd really like to see just one wiki/downloads page going forward
Jun 16 18:22:51 <GAN800> Woo
Jun 16 18:23:04 <johnx> GAN800, no sense in moving the old stuff
Jun 16 18:23:09 <GAN800> So would I. ;)
Jun 16 18:23:11 <johnx> with any luck it will be outdated soon
Jun 16 18:24:00 <johnx> I'll get a real start on this on the 18th
Jun 16 18:24:12 <johnx> that's my day off :)
Jun 16 18:26:27 <NodeRazor> Hi everyone.
Jun 16 18:26:39 <macoute> konttori: wasnt mmpc your software?
Jun 16 18:26:46 <johnx> NodeRazor, hi
Jun 16 18:26:55 <NodeRazor> Does any one knows why would Nokia 770 + OS 2008 Hacker Edition, would restart by it self ?
Jun 16 18:27:10 <NodeRazor> It restarts more when I am using it on battery.
Jun 16 18:27:11 <Atarii> is it a flesh install?
Jun 16 18:27:14 <NodeRazor> YES
Jun 16 18:27:16 <konttori> macoute: nope.
Jun 16 18:27:20 <konttori> what's mmpc?
Jun 16 18:27:30 <NodeRazor> You asking me?
Jun 16 18:27:36 <Atarii> yea
Jun 16 18:27:44 <NodeRazor> It's Nokia 770
Jun 16 18:27:49 <Atarii> what havve you installed?
Jun 16 18:27:55 <johnx> NodeRazor, if it runs out of memory or one of the important daemons dies...
Jun 16 18:27:59 <NodeRazor> bunch of stuff =D
Jun 16 18:28:11 <NodeRazor> Well, I've just added 2gb card.
Jun 16 18:28:18 <NodeRazor> card works good.
Jun 16 18:28:21 <Atarii> memory on the internal
Jun 16 18:28:27 <macoute> konttori: mpd client for maemo
Jun 16 18:28:31 <NodeRazor> hold on let me see.
Jun 16 18:28:51 <konttori> http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 16 18:29:09 <macoute> konttori: nice software, but missing a couple of very important features
Jun 16 18:29:41 <NodeRazor> Device: 3.70mb
Jun 16 18:29:42 <lcuk> Please give me your feedback! This will be trigger for me to know how much work I shall put into mmpc. The more feedback I get, the more motivation I will probably have ;-)
Jun 16 18:29:47 <lcuk> macoute, ^^^
Jun 16 18:29:54 <macoute> lcuk: just saw the same line :)
Jun 16 18:29:56 <NodeRazor> Removable Memory Card: 1.81gb
Jun 16 18:30:11 <konttori> so, is it using the n810 as a remote to control a pc?
Jun 16 18:30:12 <NodeRazor> Virtual Memory: 64mb
Jun 16 18:30:32 <konttori> is it based on upnp control point?
Jun 16 18:31:09 <NodeRazor> So, any idea why it would reboot by it self?
Jun 16 18:31:27 <NodeRazor> Is that a bug in os 2008, that can be patched?
Jun 16 18:31:38 <NodeRazor> Also, is there an original os 2008 from nokia?
Jun 16 18:31:44 <Atarii> probably more likely something you have installed/uninstalled
Jun 16 18:32:14 <RST38h> yawn
Jun 16 18:32:15 <NodeRazor> yeah, it could be because I did not have this before.
Jun 16 18:32:27 <lcuk> os2008 is not natively supported by the 770, the hacker edition is exactly that, for stability you may be better using one of the earlier OSes
Jun 16 18:33:16 <lcuk> but if you have found a semi stable environment for your needs, great :)
Jun 16 18:34:49 <NodeRazor> there alternative os for nokia 770 ?
Jun 16 18:35:00 <Atarii> my advice is to reflash and start again NodeRazor
Jun 16 18:35:03 <lcuk> 2005,2006,hacker 2007
Jun 16 18:35:14 <NodeRazor> no, I mean other os
Jun 16 18:35:18 <NodeRazor> diferent distro
Jun 16 18:35:42 <macoute> konttori: yeah, kinda. but its not upnp
Jun 16 18:36:25 <konttori> is there anything that's really much better than using vnc to control the pc?
Jun 16 18:36:27 <macoute> its kind of an remote controller, but it also, with icecast-server is the best on-demand-music-streaming software.
Jun 16 18:36:40 <macoute> konttori: yeah, surely.
Jun 16 18:36:56 <konttori> ah. nice
Jun 16 18:37:04 <macoute> or well, not just controlling, but to also stream
Jun 16 18:37:24 <macoute> konttori: actually, this is the feature im missing in tablet-encode and mediaserv (they were yours, correct?)
Jun 16 18:37:36 <macoute> so that a playlist so i can stream ondemand easily
Jun 16 18:37:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: was there a debian-nit irc channel?
Jun 16 18:37:47 <macoute> and a stand-alone program to control that
Jun 16 18:38:00 <konttori> nope. I made media converter.
Jun 16 18:38:02 <johnx> Stskeeps, not that I know of
Jun 16 18:38:16 <konttori> I think jaffa made tablet-encode
Jun 16 18:38:21 <Stskeeps> since debian might be a bit stepping on toes of well, #maemo ;)
Jun 16 18:38:57 <Stskeeps> (or i'm just paranoid)
Jun 16 18:39:05 <johnx> Stskeeps, it's been discussed here before
Jun 16 18:39:11 <NodeRazor> how do I apply patches to nokia 770?
Jun 16 18:39:40 <Stskeeps> johnx: k
Jun 16 18:39:47 <johnx> Stskeeps, do you know any way to get our own IRC channel. I have no idea how to go about something like that...
Jun 16 18:39:51 <GAN800> Debian-maemo should be here, methinks.
Jun 16 18:40:06 <GAN800> johnx, /join #debian-maemo
Jun 16 18:40:23 <Toba_> yeah it's not hard
Jun 16 18:40:24 <GAN800>  /msg chanserv register #debian-maemo
Jun 16 18:40:27 <Toba_> just join it, and then it's there
Jun 16 18:40:34 <Stskeeps> did anyone ever try running apps in debian from the maemo firmware images? i mean, we do the opposite for debian chroot ;)
Jun 16 18:40:36 <johnx> cool, done
Jun 16 18:40:43 <GAN800> But, personally, I'd like to see it discussed here.
Jun 16 18:41:21 <GAN800> I don't want to add another channel to my auto-join.
Jun 16 18:41:31 <johnx> heh
Jun 16 18:41:59 <GAN800> and I suspect other people will be interested, too.
Jun 16 18:42:13 <johnx> GAN800, fair enough
Jun 16 18:42:39 <johnx> plus, there is a #debian-maemo on irc.debian.org with a completely different focus
Jun 16 18:43:57 <GAN800> Besides, it's not like we're on-topic in here anyway, and I'm sure a lot of the NIT Debian stuff is quite applicable to Maemo, too.
Jun 16 18:44:21 <johnx> a good point actually
Jun 16 18:44:45 <johnx> it will be very applicable to any 3rd party distro for the tablets
Jun 16 18:45:22 <X-Fade> GAN800: So, any idea on how to push all developers with packages in extras to check/fix their autobuild? :)
Jun 16 18:45:59 <johnx> X-Fade, heh...Have you looked at some of those packages?
Jun 16 18:46:35 <X-Fade> It would be really a cool thing to have all packages building and automatically make them available for diablo.
Jun 16 18:46:58 <johnx> I agree of course
Jun 16 18:47:00 <X-Fade> johnx: Well, most source packges are done by developers with knowledge ;)
Jun 16 18:47:11 <X-Fade> All others upload without source :D
Jun 16 18:47:53 <johnx> I have seen source packages that contain scripts like "make-deb" which go through running commands manually
Jun 16 18:48:15 <lardman> kulve: yeah my headphones are paired, and the BT icon is blue to say they are connected, but it's hit & miss whether when I run "a2dp enable" it actually works
Jun 16 18:48:42 <lardman> kulve: when it does, the BT icon goes back to white (as it's not connected in headphone mode)
Jun 16 18:48:56 <X-Fade> johnx: Well, eventually all these packages will remain and we can see what we do with them. Maybe these developers just need a little help.
Jun 16 18:49:37 <derf> Dealing with build systems requires just as much specialized knowledge as writing code in the first place.
Jun 16 18:49:46 * johnx dreads making .debs...
Jun 16 18:49:47 <lardman> X-Fade, johnx: We still need a tutorial on how to package the debian way
Jun 16 18:50:04 <johnx> lardman, yeah, there is on, on debian.org
Jun 16 18:50:05 <derf> And not every developer will have both.
Jun 16 18:50:11 <X-Fade> lardman: Ehm, check the documentation section?
Jun 16 18:50:17 <lardman> johnx: that is too advanced really IMO
Jun 16 18:50:26 <johnx> lardman, ha! agreed
Jun 16 18:50:32 <johnx> *I* gave up on it
Jun 16 18:50:33 <lardman> X-Fade: I've not looked recently, but will check again
Jun 16 18:50:37 <lardman> As did I
Jun 16 18:50:46 <lardman> I asked people and eventually worked out what works
Jun 16 18:51:04 <lardman> that's the sort of tutorial we should have - assume no debian knowledge (unlike the debian docs)
Jun 16 18:51:10 <derf> johnx, lardman: And after you did figure out what you were doing, I bet you didn't go back and try to make usable documentation.
Jun 16 18:51:22 <johnx> derf, I told you. I gave up
Jun 16 18:51:29 <johnx> honestly and truly
Jun 16 18:51:30 <lardman> derf: indeed I didn't, but I'm happy to do so now
Jun 16 18:51:50 <derf> lardman: Honestly I'd rather you hacked on Tremor some more :)
Jun 16 18:51:53 <lardman> well not this minute, but asap
Jun 16 18:51:55 <johnx> I'll come back to it when there are more hours in the day
Jun 16 18:52:07 <lardman> derf: I'll get back to Tremor by the end of the week I think
Jun 16 18:52:14 <derf> Really? Awesome.
Jun 16 18:52:32 <lardman> yeah, doing the sbc one is good, more experience, I hope debugging Tremor will be easier now
Jun 16 18:52:39 <GAN800> X-Fade, I'd stick another announcement on itT.
Jun 16 18:53:11 <lardman> bbiab
Jun 16 18:53:15 <GAN800> Also, would it be completely out of line to harvest the package maintainer's emails? :D
Jun 16 18:53:18 <X-Fade> lardman: https://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html
Jun 16 18:53:30 <X-Fade> GAN800: I already have that list ;)
Jun 16 18:54:11 <X-Fade> GAN800: But let's see if we can get it forward without mass mailing.
Jun 16 18:54:20 <Navi> Mmm, harvesting corn
Jun 16 18:54:37 <GAN800> X-Fade, we need to scare up some people to help with a 'software distribution for Maemo' guide.
Jun 16 18:54:54 <Navi> I vote we make GAN800 do it himself
Jun 16 18:55:28 <GAN800> Cover Garage, Downloads, packaging, Extras(-devel), autobuilder, etc.
Jun 16 18:56:06 <GAN800> I don't know enough to do it. :( Though I'd be happy to copyedit, organize, markup, etc.
Jun 16 18:57:09 <GAN800> and it's something I'd like to see written from a very down-to-earth, assume-nothing perspective.
Jun 16 18:57:34 <Navi> mmm
Jun 16 18:57:56 <lardman> re
Jun 16 18:57:59 <X-Fade> GAN800: MEG?
Jun 16 18:58:01 <lardman> X-Fade: looking
Jun 16 18:58:15 <X-Fade> GAN800: Or what shall we put that under.
Jun 16 18:58:25 <derf> What you really need, instead of trying to teach every developer how to do everything, is to have dedicated people for packaging, etc.
Jun 16 18:59:18 * johnx starts to see why openembedded exists
Jun 16 18:59:23 <derf> Honestly, I know a lot of developers who _hate_ messing with the build system.
Jun 16 18:59:29 <GAN800> derf, you volunteering? :D That's a good plan, but sounds like a fulltime job.
Jun 16 18:59:33 <derf> And I don't think really good documentation is going to fix that.
Jun 16 18:59:38 <lardman> X-Fade: I take most of it back, that's really good. All it needs is how to use the .dsc + tar.gz + diff.gz combos we dowload - dpkg-source -x *.dsc, etc.
Jun 16 18:59:53 <derf> GAN800: No, I think I'm one of those developers I just mentioned.
Jun 16 18:59:58 <Navi> Making deb packages is a headache
Jun 16 19:00:03 <X-Fade> lardman: Packaging isn't rocket science ;)
Jun 16 19:00:04 <GAN800> Hehe
Jun 16 19:00:18 <lardman> X-Fade: no, absolutely, it's just a distraction :)
Jun 16 19:00:29 <lardman> unless you know how...
Jun 16 19:00:43 <Navi> Even if you know how, unless you've mastered it
Jun 16 19:01:18 <lardman> bit like Makefiles really ;)
Jun 16 19:01:26 <Navi> it might as well be rocket science
Jun 16 19:01:40 <X-Fade> lardman: If you have autotooled it properly, there is no problem at all ;)
Jun 16 19:01:44 <derf> Rocket science isn't that hard if you know what you're doing.
Jun 16 19:01:51 <Navi> exactly :P
Jun 16 19:02:11 <GAN800> Hehe
Jun 16 19:02:14 <lardman> X-Fade: there's another word I hear about and I don't know how to do
Jun 16 19:02:17 <derf> Packaging software is still hard even if you do know what you're doing.
Jun 16 19:02:48 <Navi> depends on the packaging system
Jun 16 19:03:10 <derf> Well, anything involving autotools is hard.
Jun 16 19:03:22 <derf> So that's pretty independent of the packaging system.
Jun 16 19:03:52 <derf> At least, judging by how often people screw it up.
Jun 16 19:08:25 <X-Fade> Yeah, that can be a pain.
Jun 16 19:13:56 <RST38h> The problem is that the autotool-less example found in the HOWTO is not advertised enough
Jun 16 19:14:15 <RST38h> It does not say anywhere in the docs that this is a special kind of setup, not does it say how to use it
Jun 16 19:14:45 <X-Fade> RST38h: That is a good comment, we need to log those somewhere. And see if we can do something about that.
Jun 16 19:15:02 <RST38h> X-Fade: I have a universal makefile for autotool-less build
Jun 16 19:15:12 <RST38h> A moment
Jun 16 19:16:25 <RST38h> Heh, cut&paste does not quite work )
Jun 16 19:16:30 <X-Fade> Sorry, just read another Darius comment. This guy really makes me smile ;)
Jun 16 19:16:45 <lardman> more email? :)
Jun 16 19:16:59 <kulve> alsa-lib: pcm_bluetooth.c:1158:(bluetooth_cfg) Error 22 while configuring device
Jun 16 19:17:18 <kulve> I've tried several times. Booted my devide and the speaker, no help. Fails always.
Jun 16 19:17:33 <GAN800> Yeah, this is why I want an overview. I think most of the important stuff is there, but we need to be able to find them. Having a good page to point developers to for Extras is nice, too. ;)
Jun 16 19:17:53 <GAN800> X-Fade, you gonna join his Global Alliance?
Jun 16 19:18:17 <GAN800> Darius's Rebel Alliance
Jun 16 19:18:26 <lardman> kulve: do you know what error 22 is off the top of your head?
Jun 16 19:18:32 <X-Fade> GAN800: But about extras,community repository and development. What category should we make in the wiki? Or namespace?
Jun 16 19:18:43 <RST38h> GAN: You are taking him way too seriously
Jun 16 19:18:43 <X-Fade> GAN800: Sure, I was his first fan ;)
Jun 16 19:18:45 <lardman> kulve: one of the E** defines
Jun 16 19:18:58 <GAN800> be back later
Jun 16 19:19:02 <Stskeeps> johnx: i've gotten my n800 to do the debootstrapping on it's own (no desktop machine involved), intrigued?
Jun 16 19:19:15 <Stskeeps> so far it's at retrieving stuff like adduser/apt etc
Jun 16 19:19:18 <johnx> Stskeeps, you bet!
Jun 16 19:19:25 <Stskeeps> sec, putting it on a pastebin
Jun 16 19:19:27 <RST38h> Hmm, IRCII does not let me paste the CFLAGS line =)
Jun 16 19:19:35 <johnx> Stskeeps, great :D
Jun 16 19:19:58 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, that is a good thing. You shouldn't paste such things ;)
Jun 16 19:20:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: You should record it in a wiki page :D
Jun 16 19:20:22 <RST38h> X-Fade: It is just one line
Jun 16 19:20:33 <lardman> I'd go for the latter option myself ;)
Jun 16 19:20:43 <lardman> regarding the email that is
Jun 16 19:20:55 * RST38h does not believe in Wiki
Jun 16 19:21:01 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://rafb.net/p/i5apSJ59.html
Jun 16 19:21:06 <kulve> lardman: probably EINVAL:
Jun 16 19:21:08 <kulve> alsa-init: playback open error: Invalid argument
Jun 16 19:21:39 <Stskeeps> johnx: it uses perl atleast and python (may be rewritten in perl to work on stock n800)
Jun 16 19:21:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, an interesting solution to md5sum O_o
Jun 16 19:21:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: it works. :P
Jun 16 19:21:57 * lcuk hopes autotools isnt a requirement for packaging
Jun 16 19:22:00 * lcuk trembles
Jun 16 19:22:03 <Stskeeps> it is a nasty nasty hack and the real md5sum would be a lot better
Jun 16 19:22:39 <johnx> if there is a real md5sum available...I think depending on it is reasonable
Jun 16 19:22:50 <Stskeeps> the --force-architecture is not needed on debootstrap install
Jun 16 19:22:51 <RST38h> lcuk: it is not but you can't tell that from howtos
Jun 16 19:23:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, we need bash too?
Jun 16 19:23:22 <lardman> kulve: Without adding some printfs to the code I don't know I'm afraid
Jun 16 19:23:39 <Stskeeps> johnx: i -think- so, not 100% sure
Jun 16 19:23:40 <lcuk> good, cos i cant install autotools on the device
Jun 16 19:23:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: i think i had trouble without it
Jun 16 19:23:56 <kulve> lardman: np, I'll do some testing some other day..
Jun 16 19:24:00 <Stskeeps> someone claimed debootstrap doesnt work with busybox
Jun 16 19:24:13 <lardman> kulve: ok, sorry I couldn't help
Jun 16 19:24:24 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'm inclined to believe them :/
Jun 16 19:24:46 <Stskeeps> *watches debootstrap roll by*
Jun 16 19:24:58 <johnx> Stskeeps, anyways, this is good progress
Jun 16 19:25:03 <johnx> I need to catch some sleep though
Jun 16 19:25:06 <Stskeeps> nini
Jun 16 19:25:32 <Stskeeps> archive pastebin contents somewhere (i have it in my notes though), it will expire in 48 hours or something
Jun 16 19:25:35 <johnx> I'll get a garage page sorted out tomorrow or the day after at latest and add you and other people interested
Jun 16 19:25:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 16 19:25:57 <johnx> saved
Jun 16 19:26:08 <johnx> 'night all
Jun 16 19:29:39 <lardman> derf: ah, brings back memories http://maemo.pastebin.com/m16788acf
Jun 16 19:30:13 <Stskeeps> gah, it failed somewhere. what does debootstrap use to extract files with?
Jun 16 19:31:57 <Stskeeps> ah. ar missing
Jun 16 19:36:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: for tomorrow - apt-get install binutils is needed, else it'll fail
Jun 16 20:00:40 <Stskeeps> I: Base system installed successfully.
Jun 16 20:00:42 <Stskeeps> :)
Jun 16 20:05:37 <braveally> hello peeps
Jun 16 20:05:51 <braveally> 1st time on irc
Jun 16 20:06:00 <braveally> love my n810
Jun 16 20:07:46 <braveally> does anyone have the game reminiscence (flashback) on their NIT?
Jun 16 20:08:20 <lcuk> not sure, best way for something like that is ask google, include "maemo" as a term to make sure you want the right thing
Jun 16 20:08:26 <dneary> hi all
Jun 16 20:08:32 <lcuk> hi dave \o
Jun 16 20:08:44 <braveally> hi
Jun 16 20:08:47 <dneary> Darius Jack has gone past the stage of amusing randomness to annoying pest in the past 4 days
Jun 16 20:09:15 <lcuk> more?
Jun 16 20:09:20 * lcuk facepalms again
Jun 16 20:09:42 <dneary> He's spent all evening replying to messages on the list, I think
Jun 16 20:10:48 <RST38h> KILL
Jun 16 20:11:42 <lcuk> now now rst
Jun 16 20:11:54 <lcuk> its only email
Jun 16 20:12:18 <braveally> anyone think they could help me out?
Jun 16 20:12:42 <lcuk> braveally, i answered you up there ^
Jun 16 20:12:46 <braveally> oh
Jun 16 20:13:14 <braveally> yeah, tried that
Jun 16 20:13:21 <braveally> will continue
Jun 16 20:13:30 <braveally> part of my search led me here
Jun 16 20:13:43 <lcuk> theres so much software around, if you are after a specific title google will know better than a single person :)   like i said, try searching for reminiscence maemo
Jun 16 20:13:49 <RST38h> breaveally: No.
Jun 16 20:13:52 <dneary> His latest is priceless:
Jun 16 20:13:52 <lcuk> it gives results you would be interested in at item 1
Jun 16 20:14:12 <dneary> "Global Alliance is in vital interest of Nokia, Apple, Microsoft, TomTom and others"
Jun 16 20:14:13 <dneary> "is in vital interest of developers moving back and forth between hundreds of communities of developers world-wide."
Jun 16 20:14:13 <dneary> "They really deserve some form of legal protection for their work and job done for the community."
Jun 16 20:14:23 <RST38h> dneary: just IGNORE him. The more you engage him, the more he winds himself up
Jun 16 20:14:30 <braveally> i own the sega cd if that makes a diff
Jun 16 20:14:37 <dneary> I know, have been ignoring him since yesterday
Jun 16 20:14:42 <RST38h> braveally: No.
Jun 16 20:14:50 <braveally> sorry guys, jus looking for some help
Jun 16 20:14:50 <dneary> But seeing everyone who isn't ignoring him has stressed me out
Jun 16 20:14:57 <lcuk> http://www.google.com/search?q=reminiscence+maemo
Jun 16 20:15:07 <dneary> braveally: ?
Jun 16 20:15:30 * lcuk is normally quite restrained, but ffs the guy has setup so many crappy groups even google have blocked him
Jun 16 20:15:31 <dneary> hi lardman
Jun 16 20:15:33 <RST38h> dneary: Ideally, it would be nice to make him commit suicide and document the process, but save that, ignoring him is the best choice
Jun 16 20:15:38 <lcuk> well - stopped him making any more
Jun 16 20:15:40 <lardman> hi Dave
Jun 16 20:15:58 <dneary> I favour removing him from the list myself
Jun 16 20:16:13 <dneary> lardman: Oh! Sorry, didn't notice you there
Jun 16 20:16:18 * lcuk raises his hand
Jun 16 20:16:30 <dneary> Let's leave Simon on the list, please, people
Jun 16 20:16:31 <lcuk> or are we not voting yet?>
Jun 16 20:16:34 * lardman goes to read the latest pearls of Google group wisdom
Jun 16 20:16:46 <lardman> :p
Jun 16 20:17:07 <lardman> :)
Jun 16 20:19:07 <RST38h> !!!
Jun 16 20:19:15 <RST38h> Microsoft has patented the internet tablet!
Jun 16 20:19:21 <KotCzarny> lol
Jun 16 20:19:37 <lcuk> :O KotCzarny have you got a microsoft trigger?
Jun 16 20:19:38 <KotCzarny> link?
Jun 16 20:19:46 <lcuk> are you infact bill gates in disguise?
Jun 16 20:19:47 <KotCzarny> lcuk, i lurk all the time :)
Jun 16 20:19:52 <lcuk> :P mornin btw
Jun 16 20:19:55 <RST38h> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/06/6-16-08-msveda.jpg  !!!
Jun 16 20:20:03 <KotCzarny> although i have just looked there because game crashed :)
Jun 16 20:20:20 <lcuk> RST38h, thats not the internet tablet, the dpad is on the outside! duh!
Jun 16 20:20:22 <KotCzarny> rst: ugly
Jun 16 20:20:33 <RST38h> yes! this is the mighty origami device of the future!
Jun 16 20:20:34 <lcuk> :P
Jun 16 20:21:03 <RST38h> Kot: And it actually looks BETTER than current Pandora prototypes
Jun 16 20:21:09 <KotCzarny> but i fear the patent
Jun 16 20:21:09 <lcuk> is it possible to use irc in your sleep?
Jun 16 20:21:18 <KotCzarny> lcuk, sometimes
Jun 16 20:21:32 <glass> many people see dreams where they irc
Jun 16 20:21:34 <lardman> he really is quite mad
Jun 16 20:21:40 <RST38h> lcuk: Judging from some characters I met on IRC, it is even possible to irc while masturbating
Jun 16 20:21:48 <lardman> :D
Jun 16 20:21:50 <Atarii> lol
Jun 16 20:21:56 <glass> RST38h: of course it is
Jun 16 20:22:00 <lcuk> iiii kkkknnnoooowwww tttthhhhaaaattttttt!!
Jun 16 20:22:03 <glass> i'd reckon half of the people on irc have done it
Jun 16 20:22:09 <glass> at least
Jun 16 20:22:37 <RST38h> glass: Yes, but how many of them done it while flirting with an Eliza bot?
Jun 16 20:23:00 <glass> dunno. 5%
Jun 16 20:23:00 <lardman> dneary: I vote he is removed
Jun 16 20:23:05 <glass> theres pretty dumb people on irc
Jun 16 20:23:06 <lcuk> lardman, did you solve your ocr problem earlier, or have you resigned yourself to manually typing (or hired a local PFY)
Jun 16 20:23:28 * lcuk puts hand up again
Jun 16 20:23:29 <lardman> dneary: I'm happy to explain it to him, perhaps on a new list maemo-darius-waffle
Jun 16 20:23:30 <RST38h> glass: Look at the bright side though: this way, Eliza gets to pass the Turing test
Jun 16 20:23:57 <RST38h> lardman: Please, don't explain it to him
Jun 16 20:23:58 <glass> RST38h: yeah but the people flirting with it maybe not
Jun 16 20:24:19 <lardman> lcuk: Well it partly worked - I used Tesseract - but I still have to go through indenting & checking some typos
Jun 16 20:24:25 <RST38h> lardman: Just ask him what he is wearing and also about his postal address, and what kind of rope he likes, etc
Jun 16 20:24:36 <lardman> lcuk: marginal whether it's quicker this way, at least less typing
Jun 16 20:24:42 <RST38h> lardman: Hopefully, he will get freaked out and leave
Jun 16 20:24:43 <lcuk> i thought you said robe then
Jun 16 20:24:49 * KotCzarny switches to lurk mode again, bbl
Jun 16 20:25:10 <lardman> RST38h: I actually quite like these sorts of email "conversations", but it is adding cruft to the list so I stopped
Jun 16 20:25:19 <RST38h> glass: Well, they still qualify as people, as stupid as it sounds
Jun 16 20:25:43 <RST38h> lardman: When done right, he will shut up and live after first 2-5 exchanges
Jun 16 20:25:51 <RST38h> s/live/leave/
Jun 16 20:25:52 <infobot> RST38h meant: lardman: When done right, he will shut up and leave after first 2-5 exchanges
Jun 16 20:26:11 <RST38h> lardman: It is talking about open source that winds him up
Jun 16 20:26:36 <lardman> RST38h: as Neils (i think) said, I can't work out what his angle is
Jun 16 20:26:51 <lardman> RST38h: he seems to have a persecution complex on behalf of open source developers
Jun 16 20:27:29 <RST38h> lardman: it is not an angle but a psychiatric problem
Jun 16 20:27:36 <lardman> yeah, attention seeking
Jun 16 20:27:44 <lcuk> lardman, whether or not they need his help.  its a mummy process
Jun 16 20:27:45 <RST38h> lardman: No, actually
Jun 16 20:27:49 <lardman> ah well, back to the tv :)
Jun 16 20:27:57 <RST38h> An attention seeking type will do ANYTHING to get attention
Jun 16 20:28:03 * lcuk watched a-team earlier
Jun 16 20:28:14 <lardman> RST38h: we wait to see what he does next :D
Jun 16 20:28:20 <lcuk> catch you later lardman
Jun 16 20:28:29 <RST38h> This one seems to be concentrated on a single topic and his messages also stopped making sense
Jun 16 20:28:59 <RST38h> lardman: If you change the topic he will wonder for a while, then leave
Jun 16 20:29:18 <RST38h> Otherwise he will continue in the same manner until medicated
Jun 16 20:29:39 <dneary> lardman: It's simple - his angle is that he's of strategic importance to Nokia Corporation, but they haven't realised it yet
Jun 16 20:33:29 <glass> ugh. that sort of people are often very annoying
Jun 16 20:36:26 <RST38h> Another Hans Reiser in the making...
Jun 16 20:36:54 <RST38h> Only this one won't even bless us with workmanship
Jun 16 20:39:40 <RST38h> oh well, read and sleep
Jun 16 20:51:32 <drugbalance> yo
Jun 16 20:52:00 <drugbalance> how to add all 3'rd party applications to my application manager ?
Jun 16 20:52:13 <drugbalance> I want to install macchanger
Jun 16 20:52:23 <drugbalance> I have n800 with os2007
Jun 16 20:54:19 <drugbalance> and I wanna gcc :)
Jun 16 20:57:25 <kkrusty> drugbalance: you can probably look at gronmayer.com for that package
Jun 16 20:58:04 <drugbalance> I'm allready downloading all repos from this page
Jun 16 20:58:18 <kkrusty> why would you want to download all repos?
Jun 16 20:58:38 <drugbalance> cuz I don't wanna have problems with dependenses
Jun 16 20:59:15 <drugbalance> is there some other repos ? I need only perl,ruby and gcc
Jun 16 20:59:24 <drugbalance> well and macchanger
Jun 16 21:01:03 <drugbalance> btw have anyone tryed to use usb keybord with n800 ?
Jun 16 21:01:13 <drugbalance> or external hdds
Jun 16 21:15:42 <drugbalance> how to add repository.maemo.org to my repos list ?
Jun 16 21:16:19 <drugbalance> and os2007 is chinook ?
Jun 16 21:16:24 <drugbalance> yo is anybody here ?
Jun 16 21:17:36 <kkrusty> Im the least well versed person in here
Jun 16 21:17:51 <kkrusty> but I think you can upgrade to os 2008
Jun 16 21:17:55 <drugbalance> nah
Jun 16 21:17:57 <kkrusty> which should be chinook
Jun 16 21:18:01 <drugbalance> it have lots of bugs
Jun 16 21:18:11 <drugbalance> so it's bora
Jun 16 21:18:22 <kkrusty> probably
Jun 16 21:18:25 <drugbalance> ohh I see
Jun 16 21:18:28 <drugbalance> there is aptget
Jun 16 21:18:31 <kkrusty> yeah
Jun 16 21:18:44 <drugbalance> and I can just add deb http://...
Jun 16 21:18:45 <kkrusty> you also have a application manager
Jun 16 21:18:57 <drugbalance> application manager is gui for aptget ?
Jun 16 21:19:03 <kkrusty> or is it in 2008
Jun 16 21:19:39 <drugbalance> have you ever tryed to install macchanger
Jun 16 21:19:39 <drugbalance> ?
Jun 16 21:19:44 <kkrusty> nope
Jun 16 21:20:06 <kkrusty> you should see what version it is for 2007 or 2008
Jun 16 21:20:23 <drugbalance> it should be for 2007
Jun 16 21:20:33 <kkrusty> this channel is more active on weekdays I guess
Jun 16 21:21:19 <drugbalance> I can't find xterm
Jun 16 21:21:28 <drugbalance> don't you remember section name
Jun 16 21:21:35 <kkrusty> section name for?
Jun 16 21:21:42 <drugbalance> for osso xterm
Jun 16 21:21:47 <drugbalance> console
Jun 16 21:21:58 <kkrusty> its in utilities
Jun 16 21:22:06 <kkrusty> at least in my case
Jun 16 21:22:13 <kkrusty> it could also be in extras
Jun 16 21:22:25 <kkrusty> Im assuming you've installed it
Jun 16 21:22:26 <drugbalance> you use 2008 ?
Jun 16 21:22:28 <kkrusty> yep
Jun 16 21:22:45 <drugbalance> nah it's not installed by default in 2007
Jun 16 21:22:50 <drugbalance> and in 2008 it was buggy
Jun 16 21:24:02 <bod_> hi all ..  Does anyone know where i can get the source code for the desktop radio applet
Jun 16 21:25:38 <drugbalance> I don't
Jun 16 21:25:56 <kkrusty> bod_ I dont know whether this will work but have you looked at apt-src?
Jun 16 21:26:27 <kkrusty> ah its not there... my bad
Jun 16 21:26:34 <bod_> yeah i checked
Jun 16 21:26:44 <bod_> cant seem to find it anyplace
Jun 16 21:26:57 <kkrusty> its possible that its closed source
Jun 16 21:27:10 <bod_> duno thats why iam here :)
Jun 16 21:27:43 * kkrusty is going to stop trying to pretend that he knows anything
Jun 16 21:46:36 <ssvb> lardman: http://www.dsprelated.com/groups/c55x/show/1657.php
Jun 16 21:55:31 <lardman> ssvb: interesting
Jun 16 21:58:23 <lardman> night all
Jun 16 22:29:04 <darkblue_B> there is a talk on Wednesday Night here in Silicon Valley
Jun 16 22:29:22 <darkblue_B> but the annoucement doesnt have the name of the building or company?
Jun 16 22:30:06 <darkblue_B> Rodrigues Ave and Torre Ave.. Cupertino
Jun 16 22:30:10 <darkblue_B> whatever is there..
Jun 16 22:30:24 <darkblue_B> I dont see a start time, either
Jun 16 22:41:07 <darkblue_B> the location is wrong ??!
Jun 16 22:44:14 <darkblue_B> the ACM site has better details.. the Maemo site is actully wrong. bad form of you want anyone to show up...
Jun 16 22:45:25 <drugbalance> yo
Jun 16 22:45:31 <drugbalance> is anybody here ?
Jun 16 22:45:46 <andre____> probably yes :)
Jun 16 22:45:54 <drugbalance> I'v found arm.deb packet
Jun 16 22:45:57 <drugbalance> but I need armel
Jun 16 22:46:07 <drugbalance> can I convert arm into armel ?
Jun 16 22:46:33 <drugbalance> it's the same cpu but with different biteorders I guess
Jun 16 22:46:38 <summatusmentis> I'm not here
Jun 16 22:46:40 <summatusmentis> I promise
Jun 16 22:46:45 <drugbalance> or simply how to install gcc ?
Jun 16 22:47:04 <summatusmentis> arm and armel are different
Jun 16 22:47:26 <summatusmentis> you'll need to either find an armel version of the .deb, or compile it
Jun 16 22:47:55 <drugbalance> to compile gcc ?
Jun 16 22:48:03 <lcuk> drugbalance, gcc is available for os2008 in the sdk repo, however i do not know for your older device
Jun 16 22:48:30 <summatusmentis> wait, you're trying to install gcc?
Jun 16 22:48:44 <drugbalance> yah I'm trying to install gcc on os2007
Jun 16 22:48:51 <summatusmentis> compiling gcc will be hard
Jun 16 22:48:54 * lcuk uses gcc direct on n810 for compiling my project
Jun 16 22:49:07 <drugbalance> lcuk: but can I use gcc from os2008 ?
Jun 16 22:49:07 <summatusmentis> os2007 on which device?
Jun 16 22:49:12 <drugbalance> n800
Jun 16 22:49:24 <drugbalance> os2008 is buggy on n800
Jun 16 22:49:33 <KotCzarny> lol
Jun 16 22:49:37 <lcuk> summatusmentis, its piss easy, and QUICKER on a couple of module rebuilds than compile on vmware
Jun 16 22:49:58 <KotCzarny> drugb: where did you get that information from?
Jun 16 22:50:00 <summatusmentis> lcuk: using gcc to compile, and compiling gcc, are differet :)
Jun 16 22:50:08 <lcuk> agreed..
Jun 16 22:50:30 <summatusmentis> which is what I was talking about, compiling gcc
Jun 16 22:50:32 <drugbalance> what info ?
Jun 16 22:50:34 <drugbalance> about bugs ?
Jun 16 22:50:43 <KotCzarny> that os2008 is more buggy than os2007
Jun 16 22:50:59 * lcuk finds 2008 quite stable
Jun 16 22:51:05 <drugbalance> I'v installed it on n800 and seen some bugs
Jun 16 22:51:18 <drugbalance> the most annoying was with keyboard
Jun 16 22:51:29 <drugbalance> the one that for fingers
Jun 16 22:51:44 <KotCzarny> drugb: next release fixes that
Jun 16 22:51:51 <KotCzarny> ie. os2008 (diablo)
Jun 16 22:51:54 <drugbalance> third ?
Jun 16 22:52:46 <drugbalance> and about 2007 - is it real to install packets of 2008 into 2007 ?
Jun 16 22:52:58 <KotCzarny> no
Jun 16 22:53:02 <KotCzarny> some may work
Jun 16 22:53:11 <KotCzarny> but usually libs are incompatible
Jun 16 22:53:54 <drugbalance> so it looks like I have no chances to install gcc on 2007
Jun 16 22:54:14 <KotCzarny> just use os2008
Jun 16 22:54:22 <KotCzarny> no point in using 2007
Jun 16 22:54:58 <drugbalance> there is a point - I don't wanna wait for next release and reinstall\reconfig everything
Jun 16 22:55:06 <drugbalance> but I like 2008 more
Jun 16 22:55:13 <drugbalance> it looks faster
Jun 16 22:59:43 <lcuk> drugbalance, assuming 2007 is configured the same way, it may be an idea to go looking for bora development - why would the sdk suddenly just get gcc in 2008
Jun 16 22:59:52 <lcuk> i bet its available if you go looking :)
Jun 16 23:00:13 <summatusmentis> lcuk: will/does liqbase have syntax highlighting?
Jun 16 23:00:44 <lcuk> lol, no its just the seed of an editor at the moment
Jun 16 23:00:57 <summatusmentis> oh, ok
Jun 16 23:01:06 <lcuk> im still learning how to get input from a user
Jun 16 23:01:23 <summatusmentis> so it's much more a reader, fair enough :)
Jun 16 23:01:28 <summatusmentis> regardless, I'm excited
Jun 16 23:01:42 <drugbalance> have anybody tryed to intall something from http://packages.debian.org ?
Jun 16 23:02:05 <lcuk> so am i - im tinkering with the whole thing rebuilding entire modules on the lessons from the previous and making all the bits gel together
Jun 16 23:02:42 <lcuk> there is much more interaction between the graffiti wall and the editor itself
Jun 16 23:03:11 <summatusmentis> what do you mean interaction?
Jun 16 23:03:14 <lcuk> all notes taken automatically expand upon what they are built.  no stroke is lost.
Jun 16 23:03:55 <lcuk> interaction being how to rapidly move around - the menu system on the front allows me to quickly navigate without really aiming and its thumb friendly at the same time
Jun 16 23:04:07 <lcuk> i cant do this in standard maemo
Jun 16 23:05:43 <lcuk> im asking questions like: how do you display literally thousands of pages on a tiny screen and allow a user to intelligently pick out the correct drawings
Jun 16 23:08:07 <lcuk> by the way summatusmentis, i also think with me storing all these strokes i will be able to do very personal and accurate handwriting recognition system
Jun 16 23:08:57 <summatusmentis> very cool :)
Jun 16 23:09:46 <lcuk> my maemo is so fun to hack with :D
Jun 16 23:44:29 <zap> hmm
Jun 16 23:44:50 <summatusmentis> hmm what?
Jun 16 23:44:52 <zap> anybody knows why I'm getting a 15k archive when I'm doing "apt-get source kernel-source-rx-34"
Jun 16 23:45:07 <zap> and of course there are no kernel sources inside
Jun 16 23:47:17 <zap> doh
Jun 16 23:47:22 <zap> second time it worked :-\
Jun 16 23:48:16 <lcuk> zap, 15kish usually means you downloaded the download page rather than the archive itself
Jun 16 23:48:37 <zap> it was a tar.gz with debian/* inside
Jun 16 23:48:47 <lcuk> spooky then
Jun 16 23:50:01 <zap> ah, it was rx-34-kernel-2.6.21.0
Jun 16 23:50:16 <zap> instead of kernel-source-rx-34
Jun 17 00:04:47 <drugbalance> yoo
Jun 17 00:05:10 <drugbalance> have anybody tryed to use usbkeyboard with n800\810 ?
Jun 17 00:05:41 <Navi> Lots
Jun 17 00:06:30 <drugbalance> and... hows it ?
Jun 17 00:06:31 <drugbalance> works ?
Jun 17 00:07:39 <lcuk> works well.  i use my apple wireless for coding on my 810 :)
Jun 17 00:08:43 <drugbalance> and about usb keyboards - do I have to install some modules to use it ?
Jun 17 00:09:41 <lcuk> dunno, but i didnt have to, in 2008 there was a command line encantation but it was setting a mode rather than installing something
Jun 17 00:11:04 <drugbalance> I'v found gcc but when I was installing it one preinstall script returned error
Jun 17 00:11:10 <drugbalance> 127
Jun 17 00:11:14 <drugbalance> I don't know what to do
Jun 17 00:16:21 <drugbalance> head: invalid option -c
Jun 17 00:16:32 <drugbalance> looks like I have to get another head :)
Jun 17 00:35:46 <drugbalance> yooo
Jun 17 00:36:01 <drugbalance> where can I get another 'head' ?)
Jun 17 01:14:24 <drugbalance> yo people
Jun 17 01:14:29 <drugbalance> have anybody used head ?)
Jun 17 01:15:07 <Navi> What?
Jun 17 01:15:21 <drugbalance> 'head' console command
Jun 17 01:15:34 <Navi> what about it
Jun 17 01:15:43 <drugbalance> there is no -c option
Jun 17 01:15:49 <drugbalance> and there is no options at all
Jun 17 01:15:59 <drugbalance> and I don't know where to get man page
Jun 17 01:17:10 <Navi> http://linux.die.net/man/1/busybox
Jun 17 01:17:14 <Navi> scroll down to head
Jun 17 01:19:06 <drugbalance> you will not belive me but it's still don't work :)
Jun 17 01:19:20 <drugbalance> it tells invalid option -c
Jun 17 01:21:45 <n800n> can i do fsck on root?
Jun 17 01:22:09 <Navi> drugbalance, who knows
Jun 17 01:22:26 <Navi> busybox on the tablets is just headache-inducing
Jun 17 01:22:45 <drugbalance> just I need head to use apt-get
Jun 17 01:23:03 <drugbalance> apt-get returns error about 'head -c'
Jun 17 01:24:47 <drugbalance> there should be another way
Jun 17 01:25:10 <drugbalance> it looks so easy - just print count of bytes from begining of the file
Jun 17 01:34:04 <n800n> fsck -a /media/mmc1/    should work, right?
Jun 17 01:35:22 <n800n> ;/
Jun 17 01:35:28 * Navi shrugs
Jun 17 01:36:09 <drugbalance> yo navi gimme an advise
Jun 17 01:36:41 <drugbalance> apt-get returns a error 'head -c:illegal option' <-- it returns it from preinstall script
Jun 17 01:36:50 <drugbalance> head is buggy on 2007
Jun 17 01:36:56 <Navi> drugbalance, I have no idea :P busybox on the tablets is old and weak
Jun 17 01:37:10 <Navi> I've never used OS2007
Jun 17 01:37:15 <drugbalance> hrm, what with I can replace it
Jun 17 01:37:29 <drugbalance> try it on 2008
Jun 17 01:37:31 <drugbalance> is it works ?
Jun 17 01:37:50 <Navi> head -c doesn't work, but apt-get does
Jun 17 01:38:23 <drugbalance> apt-get works just cuz you haven't encountered with preinstall scripts that uses 'head -c'
Jun 17 01:38:33 <drugbalance> I'm looser
Jun 17 01:39:09 <n800n> is KotCzarny around?
Jun 17 01:39:14 <n800n> johnx?
Jun 17 01:42:26 <summatusmentis> drugbalance: try finding/building head for os2007
Jun 17 01:43:14 <m-c> Apple BT keyboard works awesome with N800
Jun 17 01:43:17 <m-c> fyi
Jun 17 01:43:44 <m-c> I struggled for 4 hours trying to get it to work with my Ubuntu desktop.  Still no luck.
Jun 17 01:43:54 <n800n> http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5959/upinthisbitchts6.png
Jun 17 01:44:03 <m-c> 5 minutes and it was working with the N800
Jun 17 01:44:32 <n800n> can anyone tell me how to do fsck?
Jun 17 01:44:38 <n800n> pls;/
Jun 17 01:44:49 <m-c> huh?
Jun 17 01:45:09 <m-c> why would you need to file check a sdcard ?
Jun 17 01:45:27 <n800n> booting off one
Jun 17 01:45:43 <n800n> and i force shut it
Jun 17 01:46:23 <n800n> done it before now it says permission denied, so i'm a little lost
Jun 17 01:47:05 <drugbalance> I can't finde it
Jun 17 01:48:25 <drugbalance> I'm shocked
Jun 17 01:50:38 <summatusmentis> n800n: are you root?
Jun 17 01:53:17 <n800n> summatusmentis  yeah
Jun 17 01:53:29 <n800n> pretty sure at least
Jun 17 01:53:42 <Navi> the card mounted to /media/mmc1?
Jun 17 01:54:16 <n800n> yeah i see it in the file manager
Jun 17 01:54:23 <n800n> both cards
Jun 17 01:55:06 <summatusmentis> might not be able to run fsck on a mounted card
Jun 17 01:55:25 <summatusmentis> try fsck -a /dev/<whatever>
Jun 17 01:56:28 <Navi> summatusmentis, fsck should be able to run on a mounted card
Jun 17 01:56:53 <summatusmentis> why? Generally don't you want nothing having access to the card that you're checking?
Jun 17 01:57:03 <summatusmentis> pherhaps read-only
Jun 17 01:57:05 <m-c> what is a link to the mailing list, please?
Jun 17 01:57:13 <Navi> m-c, just google for it
Jun 17 01:57:20 <m-c> oops - it is under lists
Jun 17 01:57:20 <Navi> m-c, maemo mailing list
Jun 17 01:57:23 <m-c> found it
Jun 17 01:57:25 <Navi> k
Jun 17 01:57:37 <Navi> summatusmentis, well, they leave it in the hands of the user
Jun 17 01:57:45 <m-c> heard there was some excitement there recently
Jun 17 01:58:30 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 17 02:03:22 <m-c> I appreciate Ari bringing this topic up.  This is an important issue that has been an elephant in the room, too long.
Jun 17 02:04:42 <m-c> Much better to take a policy of engagement than to squirrel away nefarious technologies to dupe the users.
Jun 17 02:05:05 <summatusmentis> m-c: link?
Jun 17 02:05:07 <n800n> how do i unmount from terminal?
Jun 17 02:05:19 <summatusmentis> n800n: umount <dir>
Jun 17 02:05:27 <n800n> ty
Jun 17 02:09:37 <n800n> :(
Jun 17 02:09:46 <n800n> no luck fsckin
Jun 17 02:12:13 <n800n> fsckin luck
Jun 17 02:14:49 <n800n> oh i got it
Jun 17 02:15:26 <n800n> i was adding a / too many :(
Jun 17 02:19:59 <Navi> :P
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