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Jun 26 02:59:58 <dick-richardson> perfect, danke\
Jun 26 03:00:00 <summatusmentis> that's what I did. When does the diabloe repo get populated?
Jun 26 03:00:09 <GeneralAntilles> Because Diablo Extras is where new stuff will be going moving forward.
Jun 26 03:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, it should be partially populated
Jun 26 03:00:25 <johnx> summatusmentis, when peoples' source packages autobuild or they resubmit them
Jun 26 03:00:30 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Jun 26 03:00:44 <GeneralAntilles> Everything with sources from Chinook Extras is going through the autobuilder
Jun 26 03:00:53 <megosdog> So after I update, I have to add that package repository too?
Jun 26 03:01:01 <GeneralAntilles> Which will then go Diablo Extra-devel when they build successfully.
Jun 26 03:01:15 <GeneralAntilles> and then the maintainers will have to promote to Diablo Extras.
Jun 26 03:01:35 <dick-richardson> any real risk running chinook stuff?
Jun 26 03:02:16 <johnx> not unless you start replacing libraries with lower versions
Jun 26 03:02:23 <johnx> nothing in extras should be dangerous
Jun 26 03:02:33 <dick-richardson> well shit, there goes my night
Jun 26 03:02:46 <dick-richardson> I really liked the old libs
Jun 26 03:02:58 <johnx> some stuff seems to want an older libssl which could be problematic
Jun 26 03:03:06 <dick-richardson> :D
Jun 26 03:03:50 <GeneralAntilles> It seemed to pull the old one from Chinook Extras for me. :\
Jun 26 03:04:07 <chmac> Anyone know a LC_TIME which will give me 24 hour clock and dd/mm/yyyy date format?
Jun 26 03:04:17 <chmac> fr_FR gives me the time but the date is dd.mm.yyyy
Jun 26 03:05:31 <derf> Sadly, no.
Jun 26 03:05:34 <derf> But if you find one, let me know.
Jun 26 03:11:36 <dick-richardson> how are you guys gaining root access?
Jun 26 03:11:48 <GeneralAntilles> ~easyroot
Jun 26 03:11:48 <johnx> ~easyroot
Jun 26 03:11:48 <infobot> easyroot is, like, an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
Jun 26 03:11:56 <johnx> heh
Jun 26 03:12:02 <GeneralAntilles> Local win! :P
Jun 26 03:12:19 <dick-richardson> I'd been using openssh, which works well
Jun 26 03:12:29 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, same here :P did infobot message you as well?
Jun 26 03:12:52 <GeneralAntilles> PM? no
Jun 26 03:13:09 <penguino> i am stuck on update mode, n800 is on screen with usb connector in right hand corner, windows will not let me update it because in device manager it has a yellow ? with n800(update mode)
Jun 26 03:13:22 <penguino> i need a driver so i can get past this
Jun 26 03:13:29 <ds3> thou shalt not use windows.
Jun 26 03:13:47 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Jun 26 03:13:56 <penguino> windows is epic fail please help
Jun 26 03:13:59 * GeneralAntilles waits for this to update. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-06-26.log.html :D
Jun 26 03:14:12 <dick-richardson> especially with 'penguino' as a handle
Jun 26 03:14:27 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I think you won because infobot said "Someone already said that 0 seconds ago" to me
Jun 26 03:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Jun 26 03:14:35 <GeneralAntilles> Woo! :P
Jun 26 03:14:38 <penguino> you shouldnt be 100% anything
Jun 26 03:14:45 <penguino> i play games
Jun 26 03:14:54 <chmac> Anyone using the garnet vm? It's delicious... :)
Jun 26 03:14:59 <dick-richardson> me too...crossover :D
Jun 26 03:15:10 <summatusmentis> chmac: I've tried it, don't have much use for palm os
Jun 26 03:15:22 <summatusmentis> might more once I get my centro, and even then, probably not
Jun 26 03:15:23 * GeneralAntilles uses Linux on the tablets and OS X on his computers.
Jun 26 03:15:27 <GeneralAntilles> No Windows fail here!
Jun 26 03:15:36 <timeless> gan?
Jun 26 03:15:38 <chmac> summatusmentis: I'm coming from a Treo 680, so it's fantatsic
Jun 26 03:15:43 <GeneralAntilles> timeless?
Jun 26 03:15:45 <dick-richardson> you drank the kool-aid? :(
Jun 26 03:15:50 <timeless> do you know the license details for the maemo contest?
Jun 26 03:15:56 <ds3> just wish gvm supported serial and VFS
Jun 26 03:16:01 <timeless> can someone use images in advance, possibly w/ modification?
Jun 26 03:16:02 <chmac> Primarily, I'm thinking I'll continue to use my Palm OS applications for task management / diary
Jun 26 03:16:05 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know if they've been hashed out yet. :\
Jun 26 03:16:06 <summatusmentis> chmac: fair enough. I prefer Maemo
Jun 26 03:16:57 <johnx> I'm just happy that quicknote is a decent replacement for the old palm memo
Jun 26 03:17:12 <chmac> summatusmentis: What do you use as a diary / address book? Does it sync with a syncML server?
Jun 26 03:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, I don't see anything mentioned on the wiki yet.
Jun 26 03:17:32 <GeneralAntilles> You might ask here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo.org_logo_contest
Jun 26 03:18:10 <summatusmentis> chmac: I don't... well, my current razr for addresses(or phone numbers I guess)
Jun 26 03:18:38 <chmac> summatusmentis: Yeah, I want to sync between my phone (about to get an E51) and my laptop and my tablet
Jun 26 03:19:11 <summatusmentis> I want to sync beteween my phone and my laptop, don't care so much about my tablet, you know?
Jun 26 03:19:40 <chmac> Fair enough. I think the keypad on the E51 is a bit small to use it as my main diary, but we'll see how it goes :)
Jun 26 03:20:26 <summatusmentis> yeah, I'm hoping the centro thumb board should be ok
Jun 26 03:21:05 <chmac> summatusmentis: It's like a treo right? The keyboard is pretty darned good for all that stuff. Just the screen's not quite big enough for web / email
Jun 26 03:21:17 <summatusmentis> yeah, it's like a treo, but smaller
Jun 26 03:21:37 <summatusmentis> so, as such, the keyboard is tighter
Jun 26 03:25:51 <GeneralAntilles> Lightning hell outside. Woo
Jun 26 03:26:37 * megosdog is jealous of your lightning
Jun 26 03:41:24 <chmac> derf: This seems to be an option for 24 hour clock http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToEditPosixLocaleData/
Jun 26 03:41:34 <chmac> I haven't got the whole thing installed though
Jun 26 03:52:01 <chmac> Interesting... I've just changed my LC_TIME to en_AU which gives me 24 hour clock and dd/mm/yyyy date.
Jun 26 03:52:26 <chmac> However, it's also borked my locale settings, so I'm seeing holding strings like "home_ap_home_view" instead of the home app menu
Jun 26 03:57:47 <bmidgle2> apt-get isn't happy after installing diablo
Jun 26 03:58:07 <bmidgle2> apt-get -f install wants to install flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher, and kernel-diablo-flasher
Jun 26 03:58:31 <GAN800> There's a thread that explains it on -developers.
Jun 26 03:58:42 <GAN800> Just install them.
Jun 26 03:58:54 <bmidgle2> ok
Jun 26 04:00:45 <timeless> gan; confused
Jun 26 04:00:50 <timeless> the license is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/
Jun 26 04:01:02 <timeless> supposing a certain logo wins
Jun 26 04:01:09 <timeless> does this mean maemo can't make a tshirt with it?
Jun 26 04:01:15 <timeless> wouldn't that be a derived work?
Jun 26 04:01:17 <megosdog> Oh!  Creative commons!  I released a sci-fi novel under creative commons.  :)
Jun 26 04:01:38 <timeless> actually, as is, i can't really do much w/ that thing
Jun 26 04:01:49 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, I wouldn't think so
Jun 26 04:02:55 <penguino> ok i'm flashing inside of centos
Jun 26 04:03:00 <timeless> also, does this mean what it says:
Jun 26 04:03:04 <penguino> things seem ok for now
Jun 26 04:03:04 <timeless> #  Submitters wust have a maemo account, and be connected and sign their entries in the wiki.
Jun 26 04:03:18 <penguino> centos or suse? vote
Jun 26 04:04:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, no wonder I couldn't find any mention of "license" <_<
Jun 26 04:04:35 <timeless> they used the britishism?
Jun 26 04:04:35 <timeless> gah
Jun 26 04:04:46 <GeneralAntilles> I see "Submitters must have a maemo account, and sign their entries in the wiki."
Jun 26 04:04:47 <timeless> rm -rf /World/languages/en-gb &
Jun 26 04:04:59 <timeless> http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo.org_logo_contest
Jun 26 04:05:02 <timeless> says wust here
Jun 26 04:05:10 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Jun 26 04:05:12 <GeneralAntilles> That's the Talk page
Jun 26 04:05:20 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest#Submission_guidelines
Jun 26 04:05:22 <timeless> am i not allowed to read that page?
Jun 26 04:06:07 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the Talk page is just the discussion page
Jun 26 04:06:16 <GeneralAntilles> and doesn't actually reflect the real guidelines
Jun 26 04:06:47 <timeless> gah
Jun 26 04:06:55 <timeless> we need a spellchecker for wikinames
Jun 26 04:07:00 <timeless> who is GeneralAntillies ?
Jun 26 04:07:01 <oilinki> Does the rules mean, that the logo should be square
Jun 26 04:07:28 <oilinki> longest side 500.. but it will be used as 16x16 pixels as well
Jun 26 04:07:30 <timeless> personally, having spent considerable time w/ ohloh logos
Jun 26 04:07:37 <timeless> yes logos should be square
Jun 26 04:07:44 <timeless> if you want to make a banner too, that's fine
Jun 26 04:07:49 <timeless> and it seems most people are doing that
Jun 26 04:08:05 <timeless> and yes, i'm looking to replace my branding w/ maemo
Jun 26 04:09:56 <timeless> if i want a vector drawing system, what are my chioces/
Jun 26 04:09:58 <timeless> gah
Jun 26 04:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> Inkscape?
Jun 26 04:10:33 <GeneralAntilles> Illustrator
Jun 26 04:11:08 <oilinki> those are for linux?
Jun 26 04:11:14 <GeneralAntilles> Inkscape is
Jun 26 04:11:26 <GeneralAntilles> Pixelmator might work, but it needs Leopard. ;)
Jun 26 04:11:28 <oilinki> ok. thanks
Jun 26 04:11:57 <oilinki> btw. do you know some easy to use 'autocad' program for linux?
Jun 26 04:12:36 <oilinki> wife wishes to make house plans :)
Jun 26 04:13:16 <GeneralAntilles> Did Google port SketchUp to Linux?
Jun 26 04:13:21 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, no :(
Jun 26 04:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad
Jun 26 04:13:35 <GeneralAntilles> Wine?
Jun 26 04:13:36 <johnx> it works a little bit with wine
Jun 26 04:13:49 * johnx really liked sketchup
Jun 26 04:14:08 <oilinki> GeneralAntilles: I tried to install that yesterday, but it did not start up.. and wine is kind of a mystery for me.
Jun 26 04:14:12 <GeneralAntilles> It fails as a real 3d program, though.
Jun 26 04:14:21 <oilinki> maybe I should give it a try.
Jun 26 04:14:44 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it's so darn nice for simple stuff though
Jun 26 04:14:50 <oilinki> again.
Jun 26 04:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jun 26 04:15:08 <GeneralAntilles> I never really put the time into learning it, though.
Jun 26 04:15:12 <GeneralAntilles> <3 Cinema 4D
Jun 26 04:15:37 <oilinki> google products are normally great. lot's of work done, so that the apps are easy to use
Jun 26 04:16:25 <chmac> Anyone know if I can compile on the N810 without having to install a ton of stuff?
Jun 26 04:17:20 <chmac> Or does anyone know where I could get a posix-locales .deb which has en_GB set to 24 hour time?
Jun 26 04:17:22 <chmac> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToEditPosixLocaleData/
Jun 26 04:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303
Jun 26 04:18:01 * timeless pulls out psp
Jun 26 04:18:47 <dick-richardson> google gears would be perfect for maemo
Jun 26 04:19:01 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody put it together.
Jun 26 04:19:21 <dick-richardson> know where it is off the top of your head?
Jun 26 04:19:55 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=google+gears+maemo
Jun 26 04:20:53 <dick-richardson> yeah, thumbing through that exact search as we speak
Jun 26 04:21:34 <dick-richardson> nobody has thrown up their .deb?
Jun 26 04:23:49 <timeless> gan: progress, wow
Jun 26 04:24:10 <GeneralAntilles> Things seem to be looking up. :)
Jun 26 04:25:48 <dick-richardson> http://gears.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=2526145489773010686&name=maemo-googlegears-webaddon_0.2.9.0-0_armel.deb
Jun 26 04:25:51 <dick-richardson> ha!
Jun 26 04:26:51 <chmac> GeneralAntilles: Thanks for that. Do you know what Freemantle is?
Jun 26 04:27:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITOS#Fremantle
Jun 26 04:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/maemo-linuxtag-update/
Jun 26 04:31:12 <chmac> GeneralAntilles: I'm surprised nobody on the bug published an updated posix_locales db file
Jun 26 04:31:18 <chmac> .deb file that is
Jun 26 04:32:16 <chmac> Anyone here have a "Fully working scratchbox installation with the correct rootfs."
Jun 26 04:32:35 <chmac> I'd be super grateful if anyone wants to whip up a .deb for me as per http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToEditPosixLocaleData/
Jun 26 04:38:10 <timeless> sp3000: et al, swift is now partially rebranded
Jun 26 04:39:19 <megosdog> Hey, has anyone heard any word yet on a future replacement for the N810?  Just wondering.
Jun 26 04:39:40 <timeless> you mean like the n810 wimax?
Jun 26 04:39:45 <timeless> i heard that might ship someday
Jun 26 04:39:57 <johnx> megosdog, no one's heard anything, but rumors abound :)
Jun 26 04:40:08 <chmac> timeless: I thought the N810 wimax was out already, but it's an alternate rather than an upgrade isn't it?
Jun 26 04:40:23 <timeless> it has 1 new module (wimax)
Jun 26 04:40:33 <timeless> but my point is that no one should be talking about such things
Jun 26 04:40:39 <timeless> you'll hear about them when they're announced
Jun 26 04:40:50 <timeless> e.g. diablo's release was in the topic here
Jun 26 04:41:18 <timeless> and as w/ any predictions people might make, they're almost certainly wrong
Jun 26 04:41:26 <timeless> i predicted diablo wouldn't ship until the n810 w/ wimax did
Jun 26 04:41:35 <GeneralAntilles> megosdog, Nokia doesn't talk about future hardware plans.
Jun 26 04:41:36 <timeless> and GAN pointed out i was wrong :(
Jun 26 04:41:39 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jun 26 04:42:09 <johnx> also, the more precise the rumor, the more you can be sure it's wrong :)
Jun 26 04:42:24 <GeneralAntilles> megosdog, if you're interested in speculation and wishlists: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11032
Jun 26 04:42:28 * johnx heads for work
Jun 26 04:43:13 <GeneralAntilles> It'll probably be OMAP3-based, anyway.
Jun 26 04:45:23 <timeless> gan: some of your predictions in realistically are too optimistic
Jun 26 04:46:03 <timeless> especially the part about working software :)
Jun 26 04:47:32 <GeneralAntilles> rumor mongering is fun.
Jun 26 04:49:04 <GeneralAntilles> I was working under the assumption that the N900 would be step 5 for a while.
Jun 26 04:49:28 <GeneralAntilles> and a lot of my premise was invalidated when Quim said it wasn't. :\
Jun 26 04:51:29 <chmac> GeneralAntilles: Is your clock running 24 hour time? Or was that bug just general knowledge?
Jun 26 04:51:40 <GeneralAntilles> I'm in the US. ;)
Jun 26 04:51:57 <chmac> GeneralAntilles: So you're a 12 hour person then? :)
Jun 26 04:51:57 <GeneralAntilles> #303 is a sort of long running joke.
Jun 26 04:52:01 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jun 26 04:52:02 <chmac> lol
Jun 26 04:52:04 <timeless> heh
Jun 26 04:52:20 <timeless> gan: is it the longest joke we have?
Jun 26 04:52:32 <GeneralAntilles> Likely
Jun 26 04:52:36 <chmac> Somebody must have scrathbox installed? I've got 300mb of bandwidth left this month and I'm not keen to blow it all on scratchbox just to recompile one module...
Jun 26 04:52:48 <chmac> I could wait till July I suppose... :(
Jun 26 04:57:26 <timeless> wow
Jun 26 04:57:44 <timeless> it should be possible for me to add support for a modern linux to my solaris box
Jun 26 04:58:03 * timeless really needs to find a way to update this box
Jun 26 05:12:31 <oilinki> chmac: 300mb left? relying purely on 3g-data?
Jun 26 05:17:18 <RST38h> MOO.
Jun 26 05:17:54 * RST38h scrolls back
Jun 26 05:19:29 <RST38h> General: Why increasing internal flash storage is not gonna happen? Flash is organized in banks, unused banks are powered down. What battery penalty?
Jun 26 05:20:32 <RST38h> Ambidextrous button layout is not gonna happen though, and neither will bumping the number of colors.
Jun 26 05:21:27 <GeneralAntilles> lol, that was, like, 7 months ago
Jun 26 05:21:29 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know.
Jun 26 05:22:16 <RST38h> Ah...
Jun 26 05:22:23 * RST38h did not check the post date, sorry
Jun 26 05:22:26 <timeless> how does one upload to the wiki?
Jun 26 05:22:36 <GeneralAntilles> Special:Upload
Jun 26 05:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> There's a link in the sidebar
Jun 26 05:24:15 <timeless> gan: #jaffa?
Jun 26 05:24:54 <timeless> http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo-gradient-box.png
Jun 26 05:25:31 <timeless> eep
Jun 26 05:35:03 <macoute_>  
Jun 26 05:43:38 <chmac> oilinki: Yeah, we've got VirginBroadband, so it's 3g over wifi :)
Jun 26 05:46:12 <megosdog> Ok, I've got a weird one.  I just updated my system to Diablo, and whenever it boots up, it connects to wireless, and then becomes unresponsive.  Any ideas?
Jun 26 05:51:48 <megosdog> Ok, well, I'll deal with this in the morning.
Jun 26 05:55:51 <qwerty12> Nice trick Nokia, putting an blank index.html in the diablo system updates directory. But that still doesn't stop me from downloading Packages.gz which has a nice list of the file names inside ;)
Jun 26 05:56:08 <timeless> eh?
Jun 26 05:56:15 <timeless> i download the whole repo already :)
Jun 26 05:56:17 <timeless> and indexed the sources
Jun 26 05:56:55 <qwerty12> I'm really upset, I lost my initial archive of the repo, I don't find it worthwhile to download the current repo imho.
Jun 26 05:56:55 * timeless nods
Jun 26 05:57:09 <timeless> mxr.maemo.org/chinook
Jun 26 05:57:22 <timeless> it's worth it because i'll have mxr.maemo.org/diablo as soon as i can get an rsync outbound
Jun 26 05:57:50 <L0cutus> re
Jun 26 05:58:04 <L0cutus> my microb doesn't work animore
Jun 26 05:58:08 <timeless> ?
Jun 26 05:58:16 <qwerty12> I need the nokia version of kernel-diablo-flasher. There are major differences in the kernel-diablo-flasher and the http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/k/kernel-diablo/ that nokia put out.
Jun 26 05:58:44 <L0cutus> it open, but stay with blank page and popup "updating..."
Jun 26 05:59:05 <L0cutus> but still nothing happens
Jun 26 05:59:37 <qwerty12> sudo gainroot; /etc/init.d;tablet-browser-daemon start
Jun 26 05:59:48 <qwerty12> */etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon start
Jun 26 06:00:33 <zap> is there a kernel building howto for maemo 4.0.1/4.1 ?
Jun 26 06:00:56 <zap> I don't understand why /usr/src/linux-kernel-diablo.tar.gz is there and why it is needed
Jun 26 06:01:11 <L0cutus> qwerty12: now it does work
Jun 26 06:01:19 <L0cutus> but... what's happened ?!?
Jun 26 06:01:36 <timeless> l0cutus/qwery12: are you guys collecting/sending cores?
Jun 26 06:02:00 <qwerty12> timeless, I lost my copy of nitro. I plan on using dpkg-repack some time soon though.
Jun 26 06:02:46 <timeless> out of curiosity, where did you get your copy of nitro?
Jun 26 06:03:28 <qwerty12> Before they passworded the repo, nokia put some of their testing tools in there. That's why I'm pissed off at losing my "initial" archive of the repo.
Jun 26 06:03:38 <qwerty12> I still got ftd though :)
Jun 26 06:04:04 <qwerty12> I remember seeing sp-panic-logs (something like that, it would read OOPS from a raw mtdblock), ftd & nitro.
Jun 26 06:04:12 <timeless> yep
Jun 26 06:04:22 <timeless> the goal is to get those shipped to users eventually
Jun 26 06:04:31 <qwerty12> Ooh, brilliant :)
Jun 26 06:04:39 <timeless> i think we'll probably need to talk to lawyers though
Jun 26 06:04:59 <timeless> one question is how to make sure people are ok w/ us collecting their data
Jun 26 06:05:10 <timeless> i think the collection text may actually be mine
Jun 26 06:05:20 <timeless> but i'm not sure if a lawyer would approve :/
Jun 26 06:05:31 <qwerty12> But the end user has a choice if they wish to send their data though :/
Jun 26 06:05:33 <timeless> the other question is can we open source it :)
Jun 26 06:05:43 <timeless> sure, but there's this thing called informed consent
Jun 26 06:05:55 <timeless> if you don't understand a contract you make then it isn't really anything
Jun 26 06:06:33 <qwerty12> Ah, ok. I hope it gets released because imho, more dumps can help to improve things :)
Jun 26 06:07:12 <qwerty12> And it's not like the users can't see what's in the dumps, I just ran lzop on the dumps and saw a nice block of information.
Jun 26 06:13:21 <qwerty12> Any idea why kernel-diablo_2.6.21-200823maemo6_all.deb has the version number of 200823 but there is a zImage-diablo-200824 in there. (I've checked, the real zImage-diablo-200823 was compiled at 11/06/2008 but this 24 that is inside the kernel-diablo_2.6.21-200823maemo6_all.deb was compiled on 19/06/2008.
Jun 26 06:13:48 <GeneralAntilles> Because Nokia loves messing with your head. :P
Jun 26 06:14:37 <qwerty12> It's quite stupid actually :/. The new 24 kernel gets put in /boot and the flash-and-reboot won't see it unless you make a manual symlink.
Jun 26 06:15:21 <qwerty12> Ah well, off with Nokia's games, I'm packing a real diablo kernel with rotation in it, using the proper package, not this kernel-diablo crap they put out.
Jun 26 06:16:45 * qwerty12 sighs. What is the point of posting flash games in the Games forum @ Itt :(
Jun 26 06:18:04 <GeneralAntilles> Better question, what's the point of itT?:P
Jun 26 06:18:30 <qwerty12> Heh
Jun 26 06:21:09 <pupnik> is Quim around?
Jun 26 06:21:09 <qwerty12> I don't understand these people though, they are complaining about missing packages. When I was trying out the betas, it was the first thing I noticed. I just created a duplicate repository listing straight with the word chinook as the distro. I'm suprised that a lot of the people need telling that :/
Jun 26 06:22:33 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, no.
Jun 26 06:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, I think you're too far distanced from the average user. ;)
Jun 26 06:23:39 <qwerty12> I just consider it more of a common sense thing :)
Jun 26 06:24:03 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, well. . . .
Jun 26 06:25:34 <pupnik> cheers qwerty12, GeneralAntilles
Jun 26 06:26:15 <qwerty12> Hi pupnik
Jun 26 06:26:35 <GeneralAntilles> You back in business, pupnik?
Jun 26 06:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, dneary.
Jun 26 06:38:49 <qwerty12> Just out of question, isn't the tablet saying "Disconnect charger to save energy" after you take out the charger a bug? In chinook, that message would pop up at random intervals, not as soon as the charger was removed.
Jun 26 06:39:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's existence should be a bug. :P
Jun 26 06:39:36 <qwerty12> Heh, true, it was annoying in chinook :P :)
Jun 26 06:39:56 <GeneralAntilles> I bought three extra chargers and leave them all plugged in all the time just to spite Nokia.
Jun 26 06:40:12 <rm_you> rofl
Jun 26 06:40:12 <GeneralAntilles> A bit like: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor
Jun 26 06:40:22 <qwerty12> My biggest biggest annoyance is the lack of a timer for when the tablet is about to die from no battery left.
Jun 26 06:40:24 <qwerty12> LOL
Jun 26 06:41:03 <qwerty12> I <3 the iPhone page on Maddox's site. That one always has me rofling
Jun 26 06:43:45 <GeneralAntilles> Maddox is the best
Jun 26 06:44:04 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=uscc_part1
Jun 26 06:44:33 <qwerty12> Num 4 always gets me.
Jun 26 06:44:51 <qwerty12> I still don't get why they are both staring down...
Jun 26 06:45:05 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Jun 26 06:46:17 <qwerty12> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell
Jun 26 06:50:21 <qwerty12> Ooh, I've just finished the rotation support for diablo
Jun 26 06:59:55 <dneary> hi GeneralAntilles
Jun 26 07:00:26 <mk8> Hi to all .... I just update my N810 to Diablo and have a problem with WLan. If I ask to connect with a WiFi network the list is not updated. I need to power down N810 and start again to see the list updated
Jun 26 07:00:34 <mk8> Anyone have the same problem?
Jun 26 07:00:36 * timeless pokes dneary
Jun 26 07:00:42 <timeless> i think you promised a deliverable :)
Jun 26 07:00:48 <dneary> timeless: Indeed
Jun 26 07:00:54 <dneary> Been a bit busy since :)
Jun 26 07:01:01 <macoute_> mk8: not on my n810
Jun 26 07:01:19 <timeless> mk8: that happens when connectivity (icd) dies
Jun 26 07:01:27 <timeless> it gets disconnected from things and life sucks :)
Jun 26 07:01:35 <timeless> i haven't hit it recently, but i have hit it :)
Jun 26 07:02:35 <macoute_> does just restarting icd help then?
Jun 26 07:02:46 <timeless> from memory, no :)
Jun 26 07:02:58 <timeless> because the daemon and the client don't have a channel to share
Jun 26 07:03:12 <timeless> (client=ui)
Jun 26 07:03:22 <macoute_> might have been here already http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9978560959.html
Jun 26 07:03:56 <mk8> timeless: so the problem can be relate with the fact that internet connection was up to an access point wen I move myself to another place, and I not able to see the new WiFi access point list?
Jun 26 07:04:11 <timeless> if you have the problem i had
Jun 26 07:04:20 <qwerty12> Bye.
Jun 26 07:04:23 <timeless> then basically the ui loses the connection to the daemon
Jun 26 07:04:33 <timeless> and it doesn't matter how connected you were
Jun 26 07:04:45 <timeless> the ui won't be able to understand or usefully change anything
Jun 26 07:06:24 <Veggen> Hmm. Weird gps-problem yesterday, btw.
Jun 26 07:06:26 <mk8> ok timeless, have you a solution? I never see  this problem on Chinook
Jun 26 07:07:19 <Veggen> I was researching if OSMing (which is a project to make open maps, often done by gathering data with GPSes) was more viable with improved GPS-handling on n810....
Jun 26 07:07:57 <dneary> timeless: Away
Jun 26 07:08:09 <dneary> timeless: I mean: bombs away
Jun 26 07:08:19 <Veggen> And I was thinking: Well, if I use "gpscamera" (a small app that takes photos with webcam and attaches the gps coordinates in EXIF-data) was a good way to document along the way.
Jun 26 07:09:03 <Veggen> But, when I started gpscamera and it started to use the gps, it interfered with the gps-usage of maemo mapper. Beause maemo mapper reported fewer satelittes seen.
Jun 26 07:09:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 26 07:11:06 <GAN800> Hey, Jaffa.
Jun 26 07:14:02 <RST38h> dneary: where do I file a bug about email fetch program crashing on regular basis?
Jun 26 07:14:21 <dneary> RST38h: That would be bugs.maemo.org
Jun 26 07:14:31 <RST38h> Is it "webmail notifier" or "email client"?
Jun 26 07:16:22 <Jaffa> RST38h: probably email client, - the webmail notifier is a status bar plugin which alerts you when you have new email in your gmail inbox
Jun 26 07:17:20 <GAN800> "Modest", I'd say. ;)
Jun 26 07:21:17 <pupnik> fucking flash advertisements heating up my cpu
Jun 26 07:24:18 <RST38h> Done, added as bug 3311
Jun 26 07:24:42 <RST38h> I will try to clarify conditions under which it occurs when I get home today
Jun 26 07:26:01 <lite> pupnik, use adblock+
Jun 26 07:27:57 <pupnik> oki
Jun 26 07:29:43 <RST38h> pupnik: Could you submit your game ports to a repository? =)
Jun 26 07:30:05 <pupnik> not for a while RST38h
Jun 26 07:30:11 <RST38h> It is a real chore to find them one-by-one in the itt forums after upgrade
Jun 26 07:30:12 <pupnik> and i do have a repo
Jun 26 07:30:20 <RST38h> pupnik: Where? 8)
Jun 26 07:30:31 <pupnik> just for os2006 :)
Jun 26 07:30:51 <RST38h> Maybe you can create an os2008 branch in THAT repo?
Jun 26 07:31:15 <pupnik> no, there might be a couple of games/emus that can be made extras-worthy
Jun 26 07:31:27 <pupnik> but 90% of them, no
Jun 26 07:31:32 <RST38h> All of your packages are extras-worthy
Jun 26 07:31:57 <hrw> morning
Jun 26 07:32:00 <Jaffa> pupnik: but the others in extras-devel then
Jun 26 07:32:00 <pupnik> i may be too hesitant to commit them, yes
Jun 26 07:32:04 <RST38h> BUT if you do not feel like committing them to extras, at least commit them to your own repo - it is better than nothing
Jun 26 07:32:12 <RST38h> hello, hrw
Jun 26 07:33:02 <RST38h> pupnik: hey, if they end up being unworthy in some sense, X-Fade can always delete them for you, so there is nothing to be hesitant about
Jun 26 07:38:14 <X-Fade> Hi, can you guys tell me which libraries are found to be missing when trying chinook applications on diablo?
Jun 26 07:38:33 <X-Fade> Does anybody have seen that happen and which ones were missing?
Jun 26 07:39:39 <X-Fade> I seem to recall that there was a problem with libglade?
Jun 26 07:40:42 <RST38h> there was a problem with libssl for some people
Jun 26 07:40:45 <RST38h> worked fine for me
Jun 26 07:41:41 <X-Fade> RST38h: yeah if they depend on 0.9.7..
Jun 26 07:41:46 <X-Fade> strict deps.
Jun 26 07:42:09 <RST38h> pupnik: can I make one more little request? =)
Jun 26 07:42:33 <pupnik> of course
Jun 26 07:42:45 <RST38h> pupnik: http://www.braingames.getput.com/nether/ !
Jun 26 07:43:00 <RST38h> pupnik: port? =)
Jun 26 07:43:06 <pupnik> cool
Jun 26 07:43:07 <hrw> I got openssl 0.9.7 installed on my n810/diablo  have openssh and omweather from chinook/extras
Jun 26 07:43:12 <pupnik> no time
Jun 26 07:44:09 * RST38h will post to itt in case anybody is interested
Jun 26 07:45:17 <GAN800> Lot of them have strict deps on libssl 0.97
Jun 26 07:45:37 <GAN800> Just pulled it in from Chinook Extras for me.
Jun 26 07:45:54 <X-Fade> Ok, I'll just request 0.9.7 here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo:_Missing_Packages
Jun 26 07:46:52 <GAN800> Wish there had been a little more heads up before launch to get Diablo Extras up to speed.
Jun 26 07:47:10 <X-Fade> GAN800: I wish that too ;)
Jun 26 07:47:31 <X-Fade> GAN800: But the problem was also that there was so little feedback from the community.
Jun 26 07:47:38 <Jaffa> Agreed. Given there was no corresponding h/w launch, would it have really killed Nokia to say: "we're going to launch diablo next Wednesday, here's the SDK"
Jun 26 07:47:47 <GAN800> Yeah, I've noticed. :/
Jun 26 07:47:51 <macoute_> someone from nokia is examining my website with his/her tablet :)
Jun 26 07:48:04 <X-Fade> And then on diablo release we just said, nobody really objected. Let's go for it. Now or never..
Jun 26 07:48:13 <GAN800> Mr. Bartosh seemed particularly bothered by that on the list.
Jun 26 07:48:16 <Jaffa> X-Fade: that's true too, but the point has been made on maemo-... that without a hard deadline, it's easier to procrastinate
Jun 26 07:48:18 <RST38h> X-Fade: Any news on 4.1 bootstrap availability for SB2?
Jun 26 07:48:31 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, that is a problem. I know..
Jun 26 07:48:50 <X-Fade> Jaffa: But do you know how many people tested our autobuilder from the community?
Jun 26 07:48:55 <X-Fade> Exactly one..
Jun 26 07:49:03 <X-Fade> And that is a bad sign...
Jun 26 07:49:09 <Jaffa> X-Fade: :-/
Jun 26 07:49:14 <GAN800> yeesh, who?
Jun 26 07:49:18 <X-Fade> Btw Graham Cobb, thanks!
Jun 26 07:49:25 <Jaffa> gcobb, I guess.
Jun 26 07:49:27 <Jaffa> ah :)
Jun 26 07:49:43 <Jaffa> He submitted some MUD patches to help it build more auto-builder compliant packages
Jun 26 07:49:52 * hrw wants mc and vim...
Jun 26 07:49:59 <X-Fade> People like that are really valuable..
Jun 26 07:50:08 <X-Fade> Do-ers..
Jun 26 07:50:22 <Jaffa> hrw: vim bundle is in MUD, I'll see if it's still buildable or has bit-rotted.
Jun 26 07:50:24 <hrw> MUD?
Jun 26 07:51:26 * Jaffa wonders if the problems of the last 3 years have meant that the community's lost too many people and something /really/ big is needed to re-invigorate them - or bring new members in
Jun 26 07:51:33 <Jaffa> hrw: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/
Jun 26 07:51:58 <GAN800> Jaffa, I've wondered that too. . . . :/
Jun 26 07:52:55 <Jaffa> GAN800: it's not a pleasant thought
Jun 26 07:55:55 * hrw wants a way to sync maemo <> cellphone
Jun 26 07:56:00 <hrw> working one
Jun 26 07:56:45 <macoute_> hrw: if you have a shitty phone, phonelink? :)
Jun 26 07:56:48 <hrw> entering 208 contacts by hand suxx
Jun 26 07:57:04 <hrw> macoute_: I have sony ericsson - gnokii does not support it
Jun 26 07:57:08 <macoute_> hrw: and i was actually thinking about obextools
Jun 26 07:57:20 <hrw> gammu does but who use it on maemo...
Jun 26 07:57:40 <macoute_> gnokii doesnt support almost any reasonable phone
Jun 26 07:57:56 <Jaffa> Anyone seen any docs on whether upgrading a chinook SDK to diablo is possible? Or is it a "download a mammoth rootstrap" thing again?
Jun 26 07:58:28 <hrw> Jaffa: tried to change sources.list to diablo and then 'apt-get update/dist-upgrade'?
Jun 26 07:59:47 <hrw> hmm.. python-gammu + python-hildon maybe?
Jun 26 08:00:01 <RST38h> Jaffa: it is
Jun 26 08:00:08 <Jaffa> hrw: not yet, I've not seen anyone document they'd tried it - or a comment it was supported
Jun 26 08:00:45 <hrw> I assume that there is a way to get contacts informations from maemo contacts in python - am I right?
Jun 26 08:02:56 <luogni> Jaffa: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt
Jun 26 08:03:05 <luogni> Jaffa: 2.3 Upgrading from Chinook to Diablo SDK
Jun 26 08:03:15 <Jaffa> luogni : ah, ta
Jun 26 08:03:25 <luogni> np :)
Jun 26 08:03:43 <Jaffa> Is it possible to rename sb1 targets?
Jun 26 08:04:12 <cy3o3> Sup guys
Jun 26 08:04:26 <cy3o3> Just flashed to the newest firmware, wewt!
Jun 26 08:04:53 <cy3o3> Wondering if there's a way to install Canola2 without network connectivity on the N810 tho.  Where I'm at is all wired at the moment :(
Jun 26 08:07:37 <macoute_> hrw: so did you try gammu?
Jun 26 08:07:56 <macoute_> i could go with it
Jun 26 08:08:07 <L0cutus> why every reboot the daemon: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon doesn't start ? (so microb doesn't' work)
Jun 26 08:08:15 <macoute_> cy3o3: you need to get the packages and then copy them somehow to your tablet
Jun 26 08:08:20 <macoute_> then you can install it offline
Jun 26 08:08:30 <macoute_> but you need the packages from the internet somehow (bluetooth?)
Jun 26 08:08:44 <kuriiri_> memorcard
Jun 26 08:09:04 <hrw> macoute_: I tried gammu many times and it basically works
Jun 26 08:09:15 <cy3o3> Well I have a USB cable
Jun 26 08:09:23 <cy3o3> Just don't know where to get the packages I guess
Jun 26 08:10:57 <macoute_> hrw: you just compiled it or is there a package available?
Jun 26 08:10:58 <hrw> macoute_: with my se k750i it just works - I am doing backup of phone now
Jun 26 08:11:11 <hrw> macoute_: I do not know does packages exists for maemo
Jun 26 08:11:19 <hrw> I am using it on my desktop
Jun 26 08:11:34 <macoute_> hrw: yeah, there are some reports that users have gotten it working with my phone too
Jun 26 08:11:40 <macoute_> last phone wasnt supported fully
Jun 26 08:11:59 <macoute_> hrw: so you havent test it on maemo yet?
Jun 26 08:12:04 <macoute_> i was thinking about that :P
Jun 26 08:12:25 <macoute_> its a nice trick to show the phone-taken-pictures from IT :)
Jun 26 08:12:28 <hrw> macoute_: my home machine is working on building gammu 1.20 for maemo now
Jun 26 08:12:44 <macoute_> hrw: oki, could you pass it to me then?
Jun 26 08:12:53 <macoute_> i should really install SDK too :/
Jun 26 08:13:11 <hrw> macoute_: but package will have no warranty at all and I will not put it in extras as this is not maemo way of building
Jun 26 08:13:17 <hrw> macoute_: I do not use maemo sdk - never used
Jun 26 08:13:55 <macoute_> hrw: yeah, i understand that completely of course. you can just post the package somewhere on the internets
Jun 26 08:17:52 <cy3o3> Looks like Canola 2 has some problems on Diablo anyways, so I guess I'll just wait ;)
Jun 26 08:18:09 <GAN800> How so?
Jun 26 08:18:19 <macoute_> there is no scratchbox for amd64 at all?
Jun 26 08:18:19 <GAN800> Works fine here. . . .
Jun 26 08:19:24 <markwaters> any maemo wiki admins in here ?
Jun 26 08:21:19 <GAN800> Hrm?
Jun 26 08:22:08 <macoute_> anyone here willing to port scratchbox2 to amd64?
Jun 26 08:26:31 * RST38h wonders what makes amd64 so different that it requires a separate sb2 port
Jun 26 08:28:13 <solmumaha> macoute_: scratchbox works fine on amd64, you just need to edit the install script a bit and install from .tar.gz packages
Jun 26 08:29:13 <macoute_> RST38h: ask that from adobe ;)
Jun 26 08:29:42 <RST38h> actually I know why adobe has separate amd binaries
Jun 26 08:30:02 <Jaffa> macoute_: Scratchbox or sb2? Certainly the sb2 team are providing x86 but not x86_64 packages. (I know, cos I reraised the issue in their tracker earlier this week)
Jun 26 08:33:01 <macoute_> RST38h: it doesnt?
Jun 26 08:33:25 <macoute_> RST38h: afaik x86 and x86_64 are basically as far from each other as ppc and x86
Jun 26 08:33:43 <macoute_> Jaffa: sb2 i was looking for
Jun 26 08:33:56 <macoute_> Jaffa: but can i use scratchbox then?
Jun 26 08:34:05 <AStorm> macoute_: no, they're not
Jun 26 08:34:22 <AStorm> and on most x86_64 systems you can run 32-bit software
Jun 26 08:34:50 <macoute_> AStorm: whoo
Jun 26 08:34:56 * zap would like to see maemo SDK not tied to a specific linux distribution
Jun 26 08:35:06 <AStorm> zap: it isn't?
Jun 26 08:35:06 <macoute_> not on my x86_64 system?
Jun 26 08:35:14 <zap> AStorm: nope
Jun 26 08:35:19 <zap> it's highly debian-specific
Jun 26 08:35:23 <AStorm> macoute_: well, you need 32-bit libc and kernel 32-bit compat
Jun 26 08:35:24 <Jaffa> And most x86_64 system users don't like installing whole other copies of 32-bit distributions in a chroot to do so. Having a version which uses 32-bit libraries is ok
Jun 26 08:35:48 <Jaffa> Hmm, is https://maemo.org/profile/edit/ working for everyone else? I'm getting a connection denied, which seems somewhat unlikely
Jun 26 08:37:02 <macoute_> AStorm: thats practically the same than claiming that linux is windows as i can run windows apps with wine
Jun 26 08:37:03 <zap> in any case you will need a more or less full copy of the target system, otherwise you can't generate binaries that will work on it
Jun 26 08:37:27 <zap> macoute_: x86_64 supports x86 at kernel level
Jun 26 08:38:25 <AStorm> macoute_: no
Jun 26 08:38:31 <macoute_> zap: it does?
Jun 26 08:38:34 <AStorm> x86_64 supports most of x86 at CPU level too
Jun 26 08:38:35 <AStorm> :)
Jun 26 08:38:35 <hrw> macoute_: x86-64 runs x86 software
Jun 26 08:38:57 <hrw> macoute_: and please do not compare ppc with x86 - it hurts ppc
Jun 26 08:38:59 <macoute_> well how come then we dont have adobes flash on x86_64?
Jun 26 08:39:14 <hrw> macoute_: because adobe programmers are not 64bit safe
Jun 26 08:39:16 <AStorm> macoute_: because it has to link against 64-bit Firefox
Jun 26 08:39:21 <Jaffa> macoute_: you can, and you can embed it in Firefox using npwrapper
Jun 26 08:39:27 <AStorm> if you run 32-bit Firefox, x86 plugin will work
Jun 26 08:39:35 <AStorm> or use a hack nspluginwrapper
Jun 26 08:39:39 <macoute_> but you said that x86-64 runs x86 software
Jun 26 08:39:44 <macoute_> and 11:38 < AStorm> x86_64 supports most of x86 at CPU level too
Jun 26 08:39:51 <AStorm> to maybe make it work with 64-bit Firefox
Jun 26 08:40:01 <macoute_> so how come it is still so hard to make flash run?
Jun 26 08:40:08 <AStorm> macoute_: it's not
Jun 26 08:40:08 <hrw> macoute_: because adobe programmers are not 64bit safe
Jun 26 08:40:15 <macoute_> if you are saying it is practically te same device?
Jun 26 08:40:19 <AStorm> yeah, their code is a mess
Jun 26 08:40:27 <macoute_> AStorm: i know it runs on amd64, i have it
Jun 26 08:40:27 <AStorm> macoute_: ... WIKIPEDIA, use it
Jun 26 08:40:33 <hrw> heh... /ignore macoute_
Jun 26 08:41:13 <AStorm> macoute_: yes, it is, only there are a few problems with e.g. long being 64-bit on x86-64
Jun 26 08:41:28 <AStorm> so certain assumptions just don't work ;P
Jun 26 08:42:12 <macoute_> so that makes amd64 so special
Jun 26 08:42:13 <macoute_> :)
Jun 26 08:42:43 <macoute_> as the discussion started from 11:26  * RST38h wonders what makes amd64 so different that it requires a separate sb2 port
Jun 26 08:42:48 <AStorm> macoute_: not just that, but this makes code require a tiny bit of porting sometimes
Jun 26 08:43:01 <AStorm> also, sb is probably using assembly
Jun 26 08:43:05 <macoute_> AStorm: from my experience as a user, not a developer, most of the time
Jun 26 08:43:13 <macoute_> (require porting i mean)
Jun 26 08:43:15 <AStorm> making it work faster with x86-64 will require porting it too
Jun 26 08:43:26 <AStorm> macoute_: no, very little of the time
Jun 26 08:43:34 <AStorm> mostly in very low-level stuff, like sb does
Jun 26 08:43:39 <AStorm> e.g. emulators :>
Jun 26 08:43:44 <AStorm> virtual machines, such stuff
Jun 26 08:43:49 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
Jun 26 08:44:15 <zap> macoute_: x86_64 kernel implements both x86 syscalls and x86_64 syscalls, so for binaries of both arch the kernel is 100% native
Jun 26 08:44:59 <AStorm> zap: if you enable 32-bit compatibility support, of course
Jun 26 08:45:11 <AStorm> I don't know why you wouldn't want that, maybe except embedded
Jun 26 08:45:16 <zap> sure, but you may ommit x86_64 compatibility support as well :)
Jun 26 08:45:33 <AStorm> sure, just build a x86 kernel
Jun 26 08:51:35 * AStorm thinks we need more RISC access in CPUs
Jun 26 08:51:43 <AStorm> or maybe VLIW access
Jun 26 08:52:02 <AStorm> just means to bypass the schedulers, predictors, etc.
Jun 26 08:52:33 <hrw> I think that we just need fast cpus which do not take so much power
Jun 26 08:52:42 <AStorm> that too ;P
Jun 26 08:52:49 <RST38h> macoute: so called i64 will happily run in i32 mode
Jun 26 08:52:52 <AStorm> Transmeta was on the right track
Jun 26 08:53:05 <hrw> I have device with TM Crusoe
Jun 26 08:53:07 <AStorm> but their compat sucked
Jun 26 08:53:28 <hrw> RST38h: what you mean by 'i64'?
Jun 26 08:53:37 <AStorm> intel 64 I guess
Jun 26 08:53:41 <AStorm> it's called x86-64
Jun 26 08:53:59 <RST38h> hrw: x86-64
Jun 26 08:54:00 <hrw> there are ia64 (itanium) which are not x86
Jun 26 08:54:13 <AStorm> yeah, don't add to confusion by using non-standard names
Jun 26 08:54:15 <RST38h> hrw: sorry, our internal names are a bit different
Jun 26 08:54:24 <AStorm> ia64 was good arch, but had quirks
Jun 26 08:54:26 <hrw> RST38h: please use 'amd64' 'x86-64' 'x64' 'x86_64' if possible
Jun 26 08:54:29 <AStorm> could've been done better
Jun 26 08:55:33 <AStorm> writing good asm for it is deep magic though
Jun 26 08:55:47 <AStorm> really needs a smart compiler (in head
Jun 26 08:56:10 <hrw> asm?
Jun 26 08:56:27 <RST38h> hrw: Ithanic is known as ipf internally
Jun 26 08:56:40 <RST38h> hrw: ia32 with 64bit extensions is ia64
Jun 26 08:57:01 <hrw> RST38h: and outside of intel ia64 was itanium
Jun 26 08:57:05 <RST38h> I know
Jun 26 08:57:35 <hrw> RST38h: so please keep i64/ia64 for your intel collageus
Jun 26 08:57:48 <RST38h> But anyway, x86-64 should have no problem running x86 code
Jun 26 08:58:09 <hrw> indeed
Jun 26 08:58:24 <AStorm> intel is relearning their own lesson, lol
Jun 26 08:58:25 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom
Jun 26 08:58:31 <hrw> except that core2 from intel will not run 3dnow instructions
Jun 26 08:59:08 <RST38h> screw 3dnow
Jun 26 08:59:16 <AStorm> who needs that when there's SSE2?
Jun 26 08:59:42 <RST38h> There is SSE4
Jun 26 09:00:20 <hrw> and sse4.1 or sse4.2?
Jun 26 09:00:31 <RST38h> hrw: shshsh
Jun 26 09:00:47 <AStorm> ;P
Jun 26 09:00:48 <RST38h> I will have to stop here.
Jun 26 09:00:59 <AStorm> SSE4 isn't yet as widely supported
Jun 26 09:01:11 <AStorm> while all known x86-64 cpus support SSE2
Jun 26 09:01:52 <hrw> and tomorrow intel will add SSE5 just to make it non-compatible with older cpus so people will exchange their core2 with new ones. nevermind that nothing will use SSEDN5 instruction
Jun 26 09:02:01 <hrw> SSE DoNothing5 ;D
Jun 26 09:04:17 <RST38h> hrw: All Intel cpus are downward compatible
Jun 26 09:04:30 <RST38h> Your new SSE5 CPU will happily execute sse2 instructions
Jun 26 09:05:20 <AStorm> yes, hopefully with good performance
Jun 26 09:05:29 <RST38h> same or better performance
Jun 26 09:05:36 <hrw> RST38h: sure, but you know.. marketing
Jun 26 09:05:48 <RST38h> hrw: Well, they have to sell new stuff somehow
Jun 26 09:06:28 <RST38h> With people finally getting fed up with Microsoft products, selling them faster CPUs becomes more difficult
Jun 26 09:06:35 <macoute_> RST38h: itanium as well?
Jun 26 09:06:45 <AStorm> RST38h: there are always games...
Jun 26 09:06:58 <RST38h> Besides, ia32 architecture is pretty much at its limit, it is not becoming significantly faster now
Jun 26 09:07:27 <AStorm> yup, CISC has problems, running it optimally requires mind reading
Jun 26 09:07:31 <RST38h> macoute: Itanium is a niche product, you won't see it on desktop
Jun 26 09:07:47 <RST38h> macoute: You *will* see it in huge supercomputers though
Jun 26 09:07:56 <AStorm> not anymore
Jun 26 09:08:04 <macoute_> RST38h: i know, but is it downwards compatible? ;)
Jun 26 09:08:10 <AStorm> macoute_: no, it's not
Jun 26 09:08:16 <RST38h> macoute: It is, but slow in ia32 mode
Jun 26 09:08:24 <AStorm> actually, it's not, it is emulation
Jun 26 09:08:32 <RST38h> macoute: It makes more sense just to place an extra ia32 core beside it
Jun 26 09:08:33 <AStorm> not even on the level of microcode
Jun 26 09:08:58 <RST38h> AStorm: However you call it, Itanic will run ia32 code, just slowly
Jun 26 09:09:07 <AStorm> yup
Jun 26 09:09:16 <AStorm> Crusoe was better in this regard
Jun 26 09:09:25 <RST38h> It wasn't, really
Jun 26 09:09:34 <AStorm> it had better emulator ;P
Jun 26 09:09:56 <RST38h> Transmeta started with ideas of building a universal emulator and ended up designing a buttplug for ia32 socket
Jun 26 09:10:15 <RST38h> And not a very good one, for that matter
Jun 26 09:11:40 <hrw> AStorm: and their emulator eats 16MB of ram
Jun 26 09:11:48 <AStorm> 32 Mb ;>
Jun 26 09:12:01 <AStorm> that is, 4 MB
Jun 26 09:12:09 <hrw> AStorm: TM5400 emu takes 16MB
Jun 26 09:12:18 <AStorm> 16 Mb as in megabit
Jun 26 09:12:23 <RST38h> that is mostly caches
Jun 26 09:12:26 <AStorm> yes
Jun 26 09:12:55 <hrw> AStorm: I have Frontgear Progear webpad with 128MB ram (soldered, not expandable) and 16MB is used for emulation
Jun 26 09:13:09 <AStorm> anyway, I think Chinese may finally push RISC to people
Jun 26 09:13:15 <AStorm> obsolete x86 finally
Jun 26 09:13:19 <RST38h> May I ask why you have bought it in the first place? :)
Jun 26 09:13:25 <hrw> RST38h: progear?
Jun 26 09:13:30 <RST38h> AStorm: Not gonna happen any time soon
Jun 26 09:13:33 <RST38h> hrw: yes
Jun 26 09:13:38 <hrw> RST38h: I got it for free
Jun 26 09:13:42 <RST38h> ah
Jun 26 09:13:52 <hrw> RST38h: and it was interesting device to play with
Jun 26 09:14:09 <hrw> RST38h: I plan to unpack it during next half of year and write some linux code for it
Jun 26 09:14:16 <RST38h> AStorm: In terms of performance ARM chips lag behind top end ia32
Jun 26 09:14:23 <AStorm> RST38h: it's not ARM
Jun 26 09:14:25 <RST38h> AStorm: So they occupy two different niches
Jun 26 09:14:29 <AStorm> it's MIPS lookalike
Jun 26 09:14:35 <AStorm> I mean, Loongsun
Jun 26 09:14:47 <RST38h> Well, if you mean MIPS4300 and its friends, they aren't big players
Jun 26 09:15:04 <AStorm> no
Jun 26 09:15:08 <AStorm> still, PS3 ;P
Jun 26 09:15:21 <hrw> AStorm: ps3 is ppc
Jun 26 09:15:22 <RST38h> What about PS3?
Jun 26 09:15:26 <hrw> not mips
Jun 26 09:15:37 <RST38h> Is PS3 really so cool?
Jun 26 09:15:39 <AStorm> hrw: hm, my fail
Jun 26 09:15:40 <AStorm> ;P
Jun 26 09:15:51 <AStorm> still, its gfx chip was MIPS last I heard
Jun 26 09:15:58 <AStorm> or was that PS2
Jun 26 09:16:03 <AStorm> would have to check
Jun 26 09:16:14 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson :>
Jun 26 09:16:35 <RST38h> I mean, IBM definitely made money by selling Cell to Sony, but it does not look like Cell is good for general purpose work
Jun 26 09:17:26 <hrw> does "python easy" noted on http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Using_the_Easy_API is available at all?
Jun 26 09:17:35 <AStorm> it is
Jun 26 09:17:37 <RST38h> AStorm: the loongson story sounds so suspiciously like Russian Elbrus that I would not worry
Jun 26 09:17:58 <AStorm> RST38h: nah, it's actually being sold
Jun 26 09:18:07 <AStorm> unlike that attempt
Jun 26 09:18:08 <RST38h> AStorm: So is Elbrus! =)
Jun 26 09:18:15 <RST38h> All 3000 copies of it
Jun 26 09:18:28 <AStorm> I mean, it's produced and sold, now ;P
Jun 26 09:18:34 <RST38h> same with Elbrus
Jun 26 09:18:35 <AStorm> and people seem to buy these
Jun 26 09:19:13 <RST38h> Are these people wearing green uniforms with Chinese flags?
Jun 26 09:20:09 <AStorm> Chinese part is right, the others are not
Jun 26 09:20:13 <AStorm> :>
Jun 26 09:20:28 <hrw> ~curse  Mario Hozano Lucas de Souza for 'easy' instead of 'python-easy' name
Jun 26 09:20:29 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions,  Mario Hozano Lucas de Souza for 'easy' instead of 'python-easy' name !
Jun 26 09:20:50 <AStorm> infobot++
Jun 26 09:27:40 <hrw> heh..
Jun 26 09:27:48 <hrw> maemo and deps in packages...
Jun 26 09:28:06 <hrw> 'apt-get install easy' works. "from easy import contact" does not
Jun 26 09:28:17 <hrw> ~curse  Mario Hozano Lucas de Souza for 'easy'
Jun 26 09:28:18 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator,  Mario Hozano Lucas de Souza for 'easy' !
Jun 26 09:28:20 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian_for_NITs_development <- if anyone is interested in how to properly bootstrap a debian distro on tablets
Jun 26 09:30:32 <hrw> ARGHHH
Jun 26 09:30:55 <johnx> Stskeeps, wow! that's great!
Jun 26 09:31:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: got bored
Jun 26 09:31:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 26 09:31:36 <Stskeeps> and many of the tricks are from the existing body of work in the debian-beta3 stuff
Jun 26 09:32:09 <RST38h> All right, and the question of the day isL Can you run Ubuntu Mobile on a NIT?
Jun 26 09:32:23 <johnx> RST38h, right now? no.
Jun 26 09:32:53 <RST38h> pity.
Jun 26 09:32:58 <Stskeeps> the question is really.. 'how difficult is it' :P
Jun 26 09:33:01 <RST38h> [not that I was going to though]
Jun 26 09:33:12 <johnx> RST38h, not really a pity I would say
Jun 26 09:33:19 <johnx> the interface is likely very heavy
Jun 26 09:33:23 <zedstar> just flashed Diablo.....the default extras repo doesnt seem to load.....i was gonna install openssh....is there a new repo address for extras or gotta fetch deb manually?
Jun 26 09:33:39 <RST38h> johnx: true...I heard they are using flash
Jun 26 09:33:58 <RST38h> zadstar: change it from diablo to chinook and it will work
Jun 26 09:34:12 <Stskeeps> johnx: there's a flash interface too though
Jun 26 09:34:20 <Jaffa> and/or clutter/opengl and some big apps
Jun 26 09:34:27 <zedstar> RST38h doh! thanks
Jun 26 09:34:33 <Stskeeps> (provided we find some braindead way to run flash on a tablet debian :P)
Jun 26 09:34:53 <zedstar> another thing...anyone tried the maps license key on diablo....im trying to do a free trial or purchase and is just hanging
Jun 26 09:35:05 * lcuk_work looks round...   opengl??? clutter?? they sound exciting ;)
Jun 26 09:35:26 <johnx> RST38h, now. there are some apps for ubuntu mobile that might be nice, but those should be easy enough to repackage for debian/armel and not too hard to package for maemo
Jun 26 09:35:35 <johnx> RST38h, any app that seems interesting to you?
Jun 26 09:35:58 <melmoth> anybody involved with diablo-extras-devel builder process here ?
Jun 26 09:36:13 <RST38h> johnx: wireshark, of course :)
Jun 26 09:36:44 <johnx> RST38h, let me rephrase that: any apps that aren't available in debian/armel that are available in ubuntu-mobile? :P
Jun 26 09:37:06 <RST38h> johnx: No idea, as I have never run it
Jun 26 09:37:23 <Stskeeps> i'm personally curious about UM's interface, but that's it
Jun 26 09:37:30 <Jaffa> johnx; yeah, all the hioldonised versions of Claws etc.
Jun 26 09:37:40 <Jaffa> hildonised *and* finger friendly
Jun 26 09:37:53 <johnx> Jaffa, that would be interesting actually
Jun 26 09:38:37 * Jaffa dentists
Jun 26 09:40:05 <lcuk_work> jaffa -your mouth is finger friendly?
Jun 26 09:40:21 <Jaffa> Unless I bite her :)
Jun 26 09:40:21 <lcuk_work> nokia N810 Jaffa edition, now with extra bite
Jun 26 09:40:58 <Jaffa> smaller and more juicy, too
Jun 26 09:41:20 <lcuk_work> your dentisting, repair job or just checkup
Jun 26 09:41:29 * lcuk_work works above a dentist
Jun 26 09:41:40 * lcuk_work hears screams occasionally :S
Jun 26 09:42:01 <hrw> ;D
Jun 26 09:42:30 <hrw> lcuk_work: wanna know what bad I found today in maemo world? :D
Jun 26 09:43:07 <lcuk_work> and they have a cellar.  at the very back corner with just a hint of sunlight shining through there is an old style hydrolic dentists chair.  its the most spooky place ive ever been in
Jun 26 09:43:14 <lcuk_work> dunno hrw?
Jun 26 09:43:57 <hrw> lcuk_work: usual stuff - totally broken deps
Jun 26 09:44:17 <lcuk_work> lol and complete lack of any source :S
Jun 26 09:44:22 * lcuk_work looks shiftily around
Jun 26 09:44:24 <hrw> I wonder why I cannot just 'apt-get something' to run that something
Jun 26 09:44:37 <johnx> hrw, because that would be too easy
Jun 26 09:44:50 <hrw> johnx: no, because this is maemo - world of broken stuff
Jun 26 09:45:26 <hrw> my n810 works quite nice for voip. but why I have to manually insert ALL numbers from cellphone????
Jun 26 09:45:41 <hrw> etc
Jun 26 09:46:15 <lcuk_work> hrw, my cellphone will connect to my computer with usb and transfer all data to a windows sync program, it should be feasible to do similar using maemo shouldnt it
Jun 26 09:46:23 <lcuk_work> or simply find a way to sync maemo with outlook ;)
Jun 26 09:46:32 <lcuk_work> or any pim..
Jun 26 09:46:51 <florian> hrw: If I started a sync project at garage - would you join?
Jun 26 09:47:13 <pekuja> hrw, humm, because that's not what apt-get does. I don't understand, why don't you just 'something' to run that something?
Jun 26 09:47:25 <hrw> lcuk_work: my phone has option to send whole phonebook via BT. but maemo contacts are unable to import vcards
Jun 26 09:47:26 <lcuk_work> florian :) a grand idea and one which expands upon your presentation at ltag
Jun 26 09:47:36 <pekuja> hrw, or do you mean that apt-get would check if you have it installed, and if not, install it first, then run it?
Jun 26 09:47:49 <lcuk_work> hmmm i thought vcards were available everywhere
Jun 26 09:48:01 <hrw> pekuja: let me then extend what I said. I wonder why I cannot just 'apt-get something' to get that something installed and ready to run.
Jun 26 09:48:06 <florian> hrw: use GPE ;)
Jun 26 09:48:15 <pekuja> hrw, 'apt-get install something' ?
Jun 26 09:48:16 <florian> scnr
Jun 26 09:48:20 <hrw> florian: give me gpe contacts with eds backend
Jun 26 09:48:44 <lcuk_work> florian, :D i see what you did there.
Jun 26 09:48:44 <pekuja> I don't get it, apt-get works fine for me
Jun 26 09:48:48 <hrw> pekuja: "apt-get install easy" and then use it in python to get informations from addressbook
Jun 26 09:49:24 <lcuk_work> actually, florian - have you seen/played with liqbase yet - ive put video and binary up
Jun 26 09:49:30 <hrw> pekuja: 'easy' package (which should be named 'python-easy') has broken deps. if I install missing packages by hand (with apt-get) then it still does not work due to other problems
Jun 26 09:49:37 <florian> lcuk_work: I have been thinking about this for quite some time. Still waiting for OpenSync to stabilise... but I have too much of work currently anyway.
Jun 26 09:49:55 <hrw> pekuja: and you do not have to tell me how apt/dpkg works - I use debian for more then 8 years
Jun 26 09:50:13 <pekuja> hrw, well you kept mistyping the command so I thought maybe that's the problem
Jun 26 09:50:23 <florian> lcuk_work: oh great! no not yet...
Jun 26 09:50:24 <lcuk_work> hrw, would most of these be solved in v near future by fixing the repos
Jun 26 09:50:46 <hrw> lcuk_work: and I will report bugs even
Jun 26 09:50:52 <pekuja> hrw, and that's not really a general problem, just relevant to that particular package. you made it seem like apt-get doesn't work at all
Jun 26 09:51:21 <hrw> pekuja: today it is this package. but in past I had others maemo broken stuffs
Jun 26 09:51:57 <lcuk_work> hrw, you wont like it very much, im being very cathederal about it for now until i sort some stuff out in my head.   theres lots of code in there that i dont know what im gonna do with yet and its staying closed until i make a decision
Jun 26 09:52:03 <lcuk_work> http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk
Jun 26 09:52:48 <lcuk_work> there aren't too many unknown bugs with it - whats there works well from what i can gather
Jun 26 09:53:32 <ShadowJK> gnokii might be able to grab the contacts from phone
Jun 26 09:53:40 <hrw> hmm.. where to report bugs against stuff from extras?
Jun 26 09:53:45 <hrw> ShadowJK: I do not have nokia phone
Jun 26 09:53:55 <hrw> ShadowJK: my phone is not supported by gnokii
Jun 26 09:53:59 <ShadowJK> ah
Jun 26 09:54:18 <lcuk_work> back later:)
Jun 26 09:54:26 <ShadowJK> gnokii also talks AT, but if your phone doesn't even have that :/
Jun 26 09:55:44 <ccooke> Is there a website for python-easy?
Jun 26 09:55:48 <ccooke> some documentation?
Jun 26 09:55:55 <hrw> ccooke: easy.garage.maemo.org and docs there
Jun 26 09:56:14 <hrw> ShadowJK: AT interface gives very limited contacts
Jun 26 09:56:32 <ShadowJK> ya
Jun 26 09:57:35 <trickie|work> hrw: did you work out what phone you gonna buy next ? (i just read your blog post about it)
Jun 26 09:57:36 <ccooke> hrw: thanks! (searching for 'easy' and 'python' gets a large number of unhelpful hits :-)
Jun 26 09:57:46 <hrw> trickie|work: toshiba g900 probably
Jun 26 09:58:17 <trickie|work> my phone just died... don't know whether to buy a cheapo and hold off for smart phone for a few months
Jun 26 09:58:48 <hrw> trickie|work: 800x480, wifi, bt, keyboard... nearly like n810 without gps but with windowsmobile
Jun 26 09:59:18 <hrw> trickie|work: but I also decided that I will wait to August
Jun 26 09:59:27 <trickie|work> hrw: ok cool, ill have to see if i get a look at one later today
Jun 26 09:59:42 <trickie|work> hrw: yeah i think im gonna just buy a 30 euro cheapo in the meantime
Jun 26 09:59:56 <hrw> trickie|work: it costs 900 pln which is less then 300 eur
Jun 26 10:00:08 <hrw> trickie|work: I have nokia 6230i as backup
Jun 26 10:00:23 <trickie|work> not a bad price... touchscreen?
Jun 26 10:00:27 <trickie|work> nah
Jun 26 10:00:32 <hrw> trickie|work: of course
Jun 26 10:00:44 <hrw> ok where to report bugs against stuff from extras?
Jun 26 10:00:49 <hrw> bugs.maemo.org?
Jun 26 10:00:55 <hrw> trackers on garage?
Jun 26 10:01:04 <trickie|work> garage for now i think
Jun 26 10:01:05 <glass_> g900 less than 300?
Jun 26 10:01:13 <glass_> with subsidizisation i assume?
Jun 26 10:01:19 <hrw> glass_: without
Jun 26 10:01:22 <trickie|work> they are talking about whether to merge garage trackers into b.m.o
Jun 26 10:01:39 <glass_> hrw: unlocked 800x480 wm for under 300?
Jun 26 10:01:45 <hrw> glass_: yes
Jun 26 10:01:46 <trickie|work> but for now b.m.o is only nokia supplied components
Jun 26 10:01:47 <glass_> hrw: where
Jun 26 10:01:59 <glass_> hrw: because that price is cheapo cheap for such a device
Jun 26 10:02:19 <hrw> glass_: Poland
Jun 26 10:02:50 <trickie|work> hrw: looks like it is about 400 -475 euro here in .nl
Jun 26 10:02:59 <trickie|work> unlocked
Jun 26 10:03:13 <glass_> 250£
Jun 26 10:03:15 <glass_> pretty cheap
Jun 26 10:03:26 <glass_> i wonder if toshiba is dumping them or whats the reason
Jun 26 10:03:36 <glass_> or whats their trick to be able to sell so cheap
Jun 26 10:03:48 <ccooke> Wonder if you can replace the OS ;-)
Jun 26 10:04:05 <hrw> ccooke: to which? maemo?
Jun 26 10:04:08 <glass_> wm's are pretty hackable usually
Jun 26 10:04:18 <glass_> bootloader etc wise
Jun 26 10:04:20 <ccooke> hrw: any linux would do, really
Jun 26 10:04:21 <hrw> ccooke: why I would have to make usable device unusable?
Jun 26 10:04:35 <glass_> the phone side access would probably be a problem
Jun 26 10:04:36 <ccooke> hrw: Well, that depends what you consider usable.
Jun 26 10:04:59 <hrw> ccooke: show me really nice PIM for linux which is usable on 800x480 arm...
Jun 26 10:05:06 <ccooke> for instance, I find windows mobile horrible to use
Jun 26 10:05:34 <hrw> I do not want much... events with linked contacts, tasks with linked contacts, contacts history (events, tasks, calls)
Jun 26 10:06:17 <ccooke> hrw: *nod* then you're not in the target market for the nokia tablets, currently
Jun 26 10:06:24 <ccooke> hrw: but that doesn't make them *unusable*
Jun 26 10:06:47 <ccooke> I've carried PDAs around with me every day for years, but I've *never* had one as usable as my n810
Jun 26 10:07:00 <ccooke> I use it significantly more often than any prior device
Jun 26 10:07:42 <hrw> ccooke: I agree with both sides. maemo suxx when it comes to pim but n810 is also usable device
Jun 26 10:08:33 <ccooke> maemo doesn't suck when it comes to PIM. Maemo *doesn't have a PIM*. It's a different thing.
Jun 26 10:08:44 <hrw> and suxx due to lack of it
Jun 26 10:08:51 <ccooke> it's like saying "This orange sucks because it doesn't have a radio"
Jun 26 10:09:18 <hrw> ccooke: for me nokia tablets are same set of devices as any of my pda devices.
Jun 26 10:09:19 <johnx> ccooke, right, but it makes the orange suck at being a radio :)
Jun 26 10:09:50 <johnx> as for me, I do all my "PIM" stuff in quicknote
Jun 26 10:10:37 <ccooke> I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a Good Thing if there was a decent PIM for Maemo. But since there isn't one...
Jun 26 10:11:26 <hrw> ccooke: maemo contain Contacts application which nicely integrate Jabber/SIP/Email.. but totally lack any import capabilities
Jun 26 10:12:07 <johnx> and is also a somewhat lame contacts app too
Jun 26 10:12:18 <ccooke> it's not that great, no
Jun 26 10:12:40 <johnx> actually, importing things to the tablet is a real weak spot
Jun 26 10:13:56 <L0cutus> what is the best place to put my ENV vars ?
Jun 26 10:14:17 <johnx> maybe ~/.profile?
Jun 26 10:16:04 <L0cutus> i try
Jun 26 10:17:10 <ccooke> L0cutus: for what purpose?
Jun 26 10:17:22 <ccooke> do you want them in the shell, or to modify the behaviour of GUI apps?
Jun 26 10:17:53 <L0cutus> i must set the VISUAL env var for cron
Jun 26 10:17:56 <L0cutus> (crontab)
Jun 26 10:19:07 <timeless> hello bergie
Jun 26 10:19:42 <L0cutus> mmm i've found also strange visualization problem ho diablo dialog box "HOME->Select Applets..."
Jun 26 10:20:02 <L0cutus> on the 2 bottom buttons i haven't OK/CANCEL
Jun 26 10:20:43 <L0cutus> but 2 string like "homebdselectappletsok" and "homebdselectappletscancel"
Jun 26 10:21:46 <zs_> hi is it worth to change 770 to n810?
Jun 26 10:21:53 <L0cutus> also when starting apps, le popup ("apps xyz starting...") show strange string
Jun 26 10:24:27 <johnx> zs_, it depends on what you do with it I guess...but I think the general concensus is "yes"
Jun 26 10:56:48 <Jaffa> lcuk_work: check-up
Jun 26 10:56:53 <Jaffa> All done. All fine.
Jun 26 11:00:02 <Jaffa> Hmm, upgrading my armel target to diablo causes a "mmap: permission denied" when trying to upgrade base-passwd. x86 upgraded fine.
Jun 26 11:03:02 <lcuk_work> jaffa : http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=orange%20smile
Jun 26 11:03:44 <hrw> Maemo Contacts importer expect VCard 3.0
Jun 26 11:03:53 <hrw> but WHY it imports it so BADLY....
Jun 26 11:03:54 <hrw> bu
Jun 26 11:05:59 <Jaffa> lcuk_work: heh
Jun 26 11:06:07 <hrw> user is supposed to not have any SIP accounts. If he has one or more then importing is broken even with proper vcard
Jun 26 11:06:54 <inz> Jaffa, echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr?
Jun 26 11:07:58 <Jaffa> inz: ta
Jun 26 11:17:46 <t_s_o> bah, i have this "now what" feeling again. ok, so i have updated to diablo, i have installed "all" the stuff i had in there before. but now what?
Jun 26 11:18:59 <X-Fade> t_s_o: Actually use it? :)
Jun 26 11:19:37 <t_s_o> sure, but to what end?
Jun 26 11:19:57 <Jaffa> Make the world a happier place?
Jun 26 11:21:33 <pekuja> use it to feed children in Africa
Jun 26 11:21:43 <pekuja> I'm sure it's pretty fibrous
Jun 26 11:22:44 <t_s_o> i would suspect there is a lot of carbon in it...
Jun 26 11:28:59 <pekuja> hmm, yeah, probably
Jun 26 11:30:08 <trickie|work> precious metals in it would be useful also
Jun 26 11:31:44 <t_s_o> i dont think there is enough for it to be worth the effort of extracting...
Jun 26 11:32:33 <trickie|work> maybe if you had nothing, not even food, then you would try
Jun 26 11:34:32 <lcuk_work> t_s_o, that "meh, what now" feeling happens with any system.  when you got your nokia what did you hope to do with it?
Jun 26 11:34:59 <t_s_o> to tell the truth, im a gadget geek. so i got it to play around with it :P
Jun 26 11:35:21 <rm_you> I use mine to control my TV machine :P
Jun 26 11:35:26 <rm_you> it makes an awesome remote control
Jun 26 11:35:47 <rm_you> Atarii: any chance you play DotA? :P
Jun 26 11:35:47 <lcuk_work> rm_you, :) i hacked a python remote control with mine at first - it replaced the knackered IR remote i used to use
Jun 26 11:36:06 <rm_you> lcuk_work: lol, i just use VNC on it
Jun 26 11:36:10 <wazd> I use it to control my nuclear missiles sattelite navigation sistem from the bath :)
Jun 26 11:36:18 <wazd> system*
Jun 26 11:36:20 <lcuk_work> wazd :D
Jun 26 11:36:24 <Atarii> nope rm_you
Jun 26 11:36:56 <lcuk_work> rm_you, python on the nokia side, visual basic network daemon on the server :)
Jun 26 11:37:17 * lcuk_work likes a challenge ;)
Jun 26 11:37:34 <wazd> I've started to make some mockups about revamped Application Manager btw :)
Jun 26 11:38:23 <crashanddie> had another idea !
Jun 26 11:38:37 <crashanddie> Small program, in which you input the what you eat/drink all day long
Jun 26 11:38:51 * lcuk_work shakes his fist at crashanddie (and gets out a knife)
Jun 26 11:39:03 <lcuk_work> i do that anyway, its called the dinner order
Jun 26 11:39:13 <lcuk_work> i would forget otherwise
Jun 26 11:39:21 <lcuk_work> especially if im getting for others in the office
Jun 26 11:39:49 <crashanddie> then goes to the NHS website, checks what the daily limits are of all the ingredients, and you get a idea of what you've eaten/drunk, and when you're hitting dangerous levels ! (over the daily recommended intake)
Jun 26 11:40:20 <crashanddie> why the fist and the knife ?
Jun 26 11:40:27 <lcuk_work> crashanddie, i would want the gps to simply tell me where the nearest macdonalds and hospitals are so i can plan direct route
Jun 26 11:40:47 <lcuk_work> cos you sidetracked me and i didnt do my time and motion study :)   never mind, ill do it tonight
Jun 26 11:41:00 <crashanddie> like that's my fault ?
Jun 26 11:41:06 <crashanddie> Sorry for being remotely interesting
Jun 26 11:41:08 <lcuk_work> yes :P
Jun 26 11:41:12 <crashanddie> I promise, I'll do something about it
Jun 26 11:41:13 <lcuk_work> good :P
Jun 26 11:41:30 <crashanddie> /ignore lcuk*!*@*
Jun 26 11:41:43 <crashanddie> :D
Jun 26 11:41:43 <Jaffa> wazd: hopefully taking into account (tigert's?) idea about a tag cloud and making it as nice to use as - say - the iPhone's App Store :-)
Jun 26 11:41:54 <Jaffa> And, of course, GeneralAntilles' stuff.
Jun 26 11:42:13 <lcuk_work> adds line to program:   if(user==crashanddie) email.subscribe("knitting_for_elders");
Jun 26 11:43:04 <lcuk_work> hey jaffa! they can't have tagclouds, liqbase has them ;)
Jun 26 11:43:21 <RST38h> lcuk: release! release! release!
Jun 26 11:43:40 <lcuk_work> you can get a binary :)
Jun 26 11:44:14 <RST38h> All I need is a binary =)
Jun 26 11:44:33 * RST38h isn't fanatic about that open-source thing
Jun 26 11:44:45 * rm_you is
Jun 26 11:44:56 <lcuk_work> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 :)
Jun 26 11:44:58 <rm_you> lcuk: source! source! source!
Jun 26 11:45:10 <lcuk_work> tomato or brown?
Jun 26 11:45:31 <crashanddie> lcuk.c: In function ‘main’:
Jun 26 11:45:31 <crashanddie> lcuk.c:12: error: called object ‘email.subscribe’ is not a function
Jun 26 11:45:33 <crashanddie> :P
Jun 26 11:45:52 <lcuk_work> crashanddie, yer it is, its in with all the sql stuff ;)
Jun 26 11:45:57 <RST38h> rm_you: what are you gonna do with the source though?
Jun 26 11:46:06 <rm_you> lcuk_work: how does the ebook reader work exactly?
Jun 26 11:46:19 <crashanddie> rm_you, opens a book, reads it, closes it
Jun 26 11:46:21 <rm_you> lcuk_work: and would it be possible to make it scroll image files in the same way
Jun 26 11:46:22 <lcuk_work> RST38h, :) rm_you has a really good idea actually and would like to see if he can get pdf working
Jun 26 11:46:36 <RST38h> crash: You are forgetting page-turning
Jun 26 11:46:36 <lcuk_work> rm_you, have you got the binary
Jun 26 11:46:42 <rm_you> yes
Jun 26 11:46:43 <RST38h> lcuk: Ah ;)
Jun 26 11:46:44 <crashanddie> RST38h, that's not necessary, is it ?
Jun 26 11:46:59 <crashanddie> anyway
Jun 26 11:47:01 <crashanddie> just got up
Jun 26 11:47:03 <crashanddie> I need coffee
Jun 26 11:47:08 <rm_you> is it displaying the text as, well, actual text, or is it rendering it as an image and scrolling that?
Jun 26 11:47:20 <rm_you> like, how low-level is this thing
Jun 26 11:47:25 <crashanddie> rm_you, go into options, blit test
Jun 26 11:47:40 <rm_you> are you putting stuff straight onto the frame-buffer, or using high level functions to display text?
Jun 26 11:48:09 <crashanddie> god, my muscles hurt
Jun 26 11:48:21 <lcuk_work> no, each char in each line represents a glyph which is blitted onto the screen at appropriate location (by calling such esoteric functions as canvas_drawtext(x,y,string)
Jun 26 11:48:27 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, damn you, you kept me up way too long, which means I did way more work than I was supposed to :P
Jun 26 11:48:48 <rm_you> lcuk_work: ok, so it is actually text-ish
Jun 26 11:49:28 <lcuk_work> yer, ive written routines to load a named ttf font into a custom buffer, and written blit routines to get them from the fontbuffer onto the canvas
Jun 26 11:50:12 <lcuk_work> rm_you, :) its using the same rendering engine that mplayer and mediaplayer use - XV graphics
Jun 26 11:50:21 <hrw> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=249&atid=993
Jun 26 11:50:26 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 26 11:51:06 <lcuk_work> started with nothing rm, i found a display mode which worked fast enough for my liking and had to build everything around me
Jun 26 11:51:16 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 26 11:51:17 <rm_you> just thinking
Jun 26 11:52:05 <lcuk_work> when you parse a pdf, you obtain a list of fonts and sizes used in the document
Jun 26 11:52:28 <lcuk_work> you can load up the related glyphs for those fonts (the font class works nicely like that)
Jun 26 11:52:41 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 26 11:52:57 <rm_you> wait, how do i do the things liqreader tells me to do on the command line
Jun 26 11:53:04 <rm_you> i don't have direct access to liqreader?
Jun 26 11:53:31 <lcuk_work> what, you mean the params it might start to load deep within like fontname and size and stuff?
Jun 26 11:53:36 <rm_you> yes
Jun 26 11:55:05 <lcuk_work> apart from the fact the autoscroll test is enabled all the time with no way todisable (its just a playtest afterall) you can just pass the params to liqbase
Jun 26 11:55:16 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 26 11:55:19 <rm_you> path to book included?
Jun 26 11:56:41 <lcuk_work> try it, though i wrote the reader tab way before all the rest of liqbase, nothing is certain
Jun 26 11:57:12 <rm_you> lol
Jun 26 11:58:41 <lcuk_work> liqreader code itself is very close to being fully replaced, the later code editor (with kinetics) works better and code wise is broken down and more managable
Jun 26 11:58:52 <rm_you> lcuk_work: yeah, it would also be awesome if you released some of this so I could incorperate just the nice smooth text scrolling stuff in part of another app i kinda wanted to write
Jun 26 12:03:18 <rm_you> lcuk_work: lol, nice, just redownloaded and the physics sim works :P it is neat
Jun 26 12:03:33 <lcuk_work> yer, i removed the restriction on named sketches
Jun 26 12:03:38 <rm_you> you should rename the zip though if you make a change, so it is obvious :)
Jun 26 12:03:43 <rm_you> i had to compare sizes
Jun 26 12:03:53 <lcuk_work> i hate calling it physics, its not - its just lardman called it that and it seems to have stuff
Jun 26 12:04:34 <lcuk_work> yer, normally i have full yyyymmdd_hhmmss naming on releases but the day is enough for this
Jun 26 12:06:17 <rm_you> ack its 5am
Jun 26 12:06:23 <lcuk_work> rm_you, :) soon i hope.  i really like the idea of  making a library for this but itsn ot a major priority since i have to break off from what i am doing to sort it for you
Jun 26 12:06:33 <rm_you> i need to run to the store or i might have to see other people there >_>
Jun 26 12:07:14 <rm_you> anyone know of a shopping list program?
Jun 26 12:07:21 <rm_you> there used to be a really good one for the zaurus
Jun 26 12:07:29 <lcuk_work> yer, ummm doofer bob wrote one
Jun 26 12:07:41 <lcuk_work> yer, zaurus shopper - not sure if thats released either
Jun 26 12:07:45 <lcuk_work> we were talking the other night
Jun 26 12:08:14 <lcuk_work> lbt
Jun 26 12:08:37 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 26 12:08:45 <rm_you> was just gonna port it really quick (lol)
Jun 26 12:08:49 <rm_you> so i can go shopping :P
Jun 26 12:08:53 <lcuk_work> lol
Jun 26 12:08:54 <rm_you> i dont have a pen
Jun 26 12:08:56 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 26 12:09:01 <lcuk_work> extreme coding
Jun 26 12:09:06 <lcuk_work> use liqbase
Jun 26 12:09:10 <lcuk_work> thats what i do
Jun 26 12:09:32 <lcuk_work> make however many pages of sketches and view in graffiti
Jun 26 12:09:49 <lcuk_work> by the way, hardware zoom in graffiti works as expected
Jun 26 12:10:51 <lcuk_work> anyway, back later
Jun 26 12:14:08 <melmoth> anybody succeeded in upload a full library (binary and header packages) to the extras-devel-cauldron thingy ?
Jun 26 12:14:32 <lardman> lcuk_work: sorry
Jun 26 12:14:38 <X-Fade> melmoth: Yes.
Jun 26 12:14:47 <lardman> lcuk_work: what about jiggling :)
Jun 26 12:14:49 <X-Fade> melmoth: Did you upload a proper source package?
Jun 26 12:14:59 <melmoth> X-Fade: did you do something special to haev the -dev push in the extar repo ?
Jun 26 12:15:07 <melmoth> X-Fade: yep, it compiled fine too
Jun 26 12:15:26 <melmoth> X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/clucene-core_0.9.20-1/
Jun 26 12:15:28 <X-Fade> melmoth: Which package, I'll look it up.
Jun 26 12:15:29 <X-Fade> Ah ;)
Jun 26 12:15:43 <melmoth> but the devel package are not pushed into the repo , only the binary one
Jun 26 12:18:13 <inz> melmoth, clocene-dev is in here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/c/clucene-core/
Jun 26 12:18:38 <melmoth> Hmm
Jun 26 12:18:49 <melmoth> so why are some other package telling it s missing ?
Jun 26 12:18:55 <inz> And also present in the Packages file
Jun 26 12:18:56 <lcuk_work> lardman|lunch, :) physics has stuck (i said stuff up there)   i suppose ill get used to the idea
Jun 26 12:19:19 <melmoth> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/sword_1.5.10-4/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt
Jun 26 12:19:37 <X-Fade> melmoth: I just started to process extras. It didn't build the repository yet ;)
Jun 26 12:19:57 <X-Fade> melmoth: Or at least I did 20 minuts ago.
Jun 26 12:20:25 <melmoth> X-Fade: oh ok, so it is "normal" that i cannot compile stuff taht need clucene-dev yet ?
Jun 26 12:20:33 <X-Fade> But the autobuilder builds against SDK and extras-devel.
Jun 26 12:22:54 <X-Fade> melmoth: Ah, I think I see the problem. They were processed directly after each other. And it hadn't put the previous package in the repository yet.
Jun 26 12:23:31 <X-Fade> melmoth: Just submitting sword again should be enough.
Jun 26 12:23:39 <melmoth> on its way
Jun 26 12:24:00 <melmoth> i will need sword-dev once it works :-)
Jun 26 12:26:01 <robsta> hi
Jun 26 12:27:46 <robsta> how can i access the files i loaded on my n810 (diablo) via usb? they don't show up in the file manager
Jun 26 12:28:24 <lcuk_work> usb only shows files on the FAT mmc2 partition
Jun 26 12:28:45 <lcuk_work> if the files are in /usr/home or whatever it is then they arent visible to windows
Jun 26 12:29:18 <lcuk_work> (assuming you are using windows, for linux i believe its possible somehow
Jun 26 12:29:36 * lcuk_work waves hands around
Jun 26 12:30:15 <robsta> lcuk_work: i'm using linux, and loading files onto the n810, but in the device's file manager they don't show up
Jun 26 12:30:42 <lcuk_work> are you looking in the correct folder?
Jun 26 12:31:00 <robsta> lcuk_work: neither are they discoverable using "find" (in /)
Jun 26 12:31:30 <lcuk_work> ok... so where do you think you are copying them to
Jun 26 12:32:03 <robsta> lcuk_work: good question, whatever nautilus mounts
Jun 26 12:32:44 <rm_you> lcuk_work: nm, i am gonna write my own shopping app in python
Jun 26 12:32:53 <lcuk_work> :D you could use windows to copy the files ;)
Jun 26 12:32:54 <rm_you> i needed an excuse to practice my python again anyway :P
Jun 26 12:32:58 <lcuk_work> rm_you, :) good
Jun 26 12:33:20 <robsta> lcuk_work: usb under windows would hardly mount another dir, would it?
Jun 26 12:33:59 <lcuk_work> robsta, it mounts /media/mmc2 for me
Jun 26 12:34:25 <lcuk_work> damn customers, back later
Jun 26 12:35:23 <robsta> on my dev /media/mmc2 is empty
Jun 26 12:35:44 <derf> robsta: You have to disconnect it from the computer to use it on the device.
Jun 26 12:35:53 <derf> Only one of them sees it at a time.
Jun 26 12:36:55 <robsta> derf: still nothing after disconnecting
Jun 26 12:37:24 <robsta> ooh, here it is, only unmounted previsously
Jun 26 12:38:18 <robsta> how can i access it now, from canola2?
Jun 26 12:40:32 <melmoth> X-Fade: that seems to do the trick, sword builded correctly.
Jun 26 12:40:54 <melmoth> Is there a delay i have to wait before re scheduling build for stuff depending on sword-dev ?
Jun 26 12:41:47 <RST38h> She selected a pic of son David as a five-month-old nipper, lying on his front, but staff insisted his arse be protected by a "strategically-placed star".
Jun 26 12:43:44 <X-Fade> melmoth: It is best to wait 15 minutes to be sure. I'm still playing with the queue processing interval.
Jun 26 12:44:55 <melmoth> Ok. Thanks.
Jun 26 12:46:22 <X-Fade> melmoth: And it seems it is still processing sword?
Jun 26 12:48:04 <X-Fade> melmoth: Do you still need to change your keys? I just saw your mail. (oops)
Jun 26 12:48:41 <pekuja> bah, my N810 is taking forever to charge fully
Jun 26 12:49:43 <pupnik> We can't be silent, cause they might be giants.  And what are we gonna do unless they are?
Jun 26 12:52:56 <melmoth> X-Fade: i would like to change all my keys: i have not been picked as one of the faulty one, but i generated them on ubuntu more than a year ago.
Jun 26 12:53:15 <melmoth> so chances are they are concerned by the vulnerability
Jun 26 12:53:51 <X-Fade> melmoth: I will send you an invitation. But beware that your building will not work for some time between key changes.
Jun 26 12:54:29 <melmoth> Ok.
Jun 26 12:56:05 * rm_you whistles in the dark
Jun 26 12:56:10 <derf> pupnik: They might be Dr. Spock's back-up band.
Jun 26 13:04:28 <crashanddie> robsta, did you find it ?
Jun 26 13:04:55 <robsta> crashanddie: yes, it shows up after onplugging usb
Jun 26 13:05:15 <robsta> but tell me this: what is the root of the file chooser?
Jun 26 13:05:34 <crashanddie> file chooser ?
Jun 26 13:05:42 <crashanddie> as in when you go into the file manager ?
Jun 26 13:05:45 <crashanddie> And it shows Movies/Documents/Pictures ?
Jun 26 13:06:10 <crashanddie> I want pimping visualization graphics when listening to music on the NIT
Jun 26 13:06:12 <robsta> "File manager", what is it mapped to?
Jun 26 13:06:29 <crashanddie> robsta, it's in /usr/home/user/MyDocs or something
Jun 26 13:07:15 <crashanddie> robsta, though, to be fair, I should probably point out they're hidden files
Jun 26 13:07:51 <crashanddie> robsta, so if you want to find 'em, you should ls /home/user/MyDocs/.*
Jun 26 13:08:34 <crashanddie> this is on the top of my head though, so there might be a typo in there
Jun 26 13:10:45 <Jaffa> X-Fade: about to upload my first (very noddy, MUD-built) package to the autobuilder
Jun 26 13:11:26 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'll be watching ;)
Jun 26 13:12:20 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Do you think we could use mudbuilder to make packaging easier for developers?
Jun 26 13:13:28 <Jaffa> X-Fade: that's my intention of it now. It's also how gcobb's been using it.
Jun 26 13:14:06 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, I don't have time for it at the moment. But we might want to turn it into an official maemo.org service.
Jun 26 13:14:07 <Jaffa> X-Fade: I'm going to use it to help build the vala packages from the upstream source, and hopefully also my little vala app. It's already got support for building icons into debian/control automatically 'n' stuff.
Jun 26 13:14:40 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Agreed, might need a bit more usage with the new autobuilder world, which is something it also tried to do. Don't need that now :-)
Jun 26 13:16:32 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yes, there is some part that isn't needed. But it would be nice to offer a packaging helper..
Jun 26 13:17:23 <rm_you> wow, my python is REALLY rusty
Jun 26 13:17:32 <rm_you> i dont remember... much of anything. >_<
Jun 26 13:17:42 <MangoFusion> print "Hello World"
Jun 26 13:18:13 <Jaffa> X-Fade: agreed 100%. And I need an excuse to avoid my in-laws this weekend :-)
Jun 26 13:18:44 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, can I encourage you to create a wiki page with a proposal? :)
Jun 26 13:18:46 <Jaffa> Hmm, interesting. debsign is installed, but no gnupg in the SDK
Jun 26 13:18:54 <Jaffa> X-Fade: will do :)
Jun 26 13:19:28 <X-Fade> Jaffa: And that would be a perfect example for: https://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo:_Missing_Packages
Jun 26 13:22:13 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I tried to put gnupg in extras before, but I ended up in dependency hell.
Jun 26 13:23:09 <Jaffa> X-Fade: it seems odd that we've got debsign but not gnupg. I *think* I remember hearing some rationale back in the Maemo 2 days about why signing debs inside scratchbox was a bad idea, but I can't find it; or reconstruct said argument from base principles ;-)
Jun 26 13:23:48 <X-Fade> Yeah, but it would be nice to help out khertan with it too ;)
Jun 26 13:24:22 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody else slightly baffled by this resolution? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2362
Jun 26 13:25:29 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: very odd! E2L, presumably
Jun 26 13:25:44 <GeneralAntilles> This, too: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3031
Jun 26 13:25:50 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Isn't FIXED for things that required action after bug report and worksforme if it already worked before bugreport? :)
Jun 26 13:26:01 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jun 26 13:26:17 <GeneralAntilles> Well, or the bug wasn't reproducible.
Jun 26 13:26:41 <GeneralAntilles> INVALID might also be the proper resolution
Jun 26 13:26:52 <GeneralAntilles> But this seems pretty clear that it's a FIXED.
Jun 26 13:27:02 <X-Fade> Just change it ;)
Jun 26 13:27:10 <lcuk_work> GeneralAntilles, one person for both, maybe just needs a quick lesson in how to use bugtracker.  doesnt seem like a major thing, just a quick mail should rectify it
Jun 26 13:27:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, will do.
Jun 26 13:27:49 <GeneralAntilles> I just woke up to a phone call from a telemarketer, so I'm not sure I'm seeing things 100% yet.
Jun 26 13:27:56 <zs_> i can't do apt-get update on maemo 3.1, i got Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz  504 Gateway Time-out [IP: 80.72.40.79 80], what's wrong?
Jun 26 13:28:13 <lcuk_work> we have users of our system doing stuff like this, and in their minds they think "well thats it, it works for me" and move onto the next thing
Jun 26 13:28:33 <X-Fade> zs_: Try again in a few minutes perhaps?
Jun 26 13:28:46 <lcuk_work> (although im talking about curtain packages and assigning job statuses)
Jun 26 13:29:22 <zs_> X-Fade, i am trying from yesterday :/
Jun 26 13:29:42 <X-Fade> zs_: Ok, that isn't right :)
Jun 26 13:31:58 <X-Fade> zs_: I see the same thing, I pinged the admin..
Jun 26 13:33:10 <megosdog> Is there a way to do things on the N810 without an internet connection?  IE, update the package lists or install apps that only have a .install file with them?  I'm in a situation right now where I have no wireless access, but I need to update my tablet.
Jun 26 13:35:11 <melmoth> megosdog: i never try it, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/
Jun 26 13:35:35 <X-Fade> zs_: Can you try again?
Jun 26 13:35:43 <zs_> X-Fade, now it is working :)
Jun 26 13:36:05 <X-Fade> zs_: Yeah, it was for me now too.
Jun 26 13:36:27 <zs_> thanks no i can do my work :)
Jun 26 13:36:35 <Jaffa> X-Fade: done for cal package
Jun 26 13:36:36 <zs_> now*
Jun 26 13:41:11 <pekuja> how risky is flashing an N810 without it being fully charged?
Jun 26 13:41:15 <megosdog> melmoth: Yeah, that was my other thought, but wasn't sure how to do it.  Thanks.
Jun 26 13:41:37 <pekuja> is the problem just mostly that if the battery runs out during the flashing, that'll brick the device?
Jun 26 13:41:43 <megosdog> Ok, next newbie question.  How do you repeat a command in the terminal?
Jun 26 13:41:52 <pekuja> I mean I've been charging mine for like an hour now and it's still not full
Jun 26 13:42:00 <pekuja> megosdog, press up
Jun 26 13:42:13 <megosdog> pekuja: It takes 2-3 hours to charge the battery properly.
Jun 26 13:42:15 <GeneralAntilles> pekuja, you can flash with the charger in.
Jun 26 13:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> You have to power-on with the charger cable instead of the power button, though.
Jun 26 13:42:36 <pekuja> O__o
Jun 26 13:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> 30 minutes will get you to around 80%
Jun 26 13:42:42 <megosdog> pekuja: thanks.
Jun 26 13:42:42 <pekuja> hm, ok
Jun 26 13:43:29 <pekuja> GeneralAntilles, I'll try that
Jun 26 13:44:30 <megosdog> ok, next question.  How do you gain root?  I've tried "sudo gainroot" to no avail.  It says "Enable RD mode to gain root privaledges" and "su root" says that the user doesn't have su privaledges.
Jun 26 13:44:36 <GeneralAntilles> ~easyroot
Jun 26 13:44:37 <infobot> i heard easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
Jun 26 13:45:21 <zs_> megosdog, you can use ssh
Jun 26 13:45:42 <pekuja> there, it took the whole of two seconds to flash it
Jun 26 13:46:51 <megosdog> zs_: Not to sound obtuse, but how can you use ssh to gain root?
Jun 26 13:47:17 <zs_> ssh localhost -l root
Jun 26 13:47:21 <melmoth> when you install ssh-server, you have a form asking you to change the root password
Jun 26 13:47:41 <megosdog> ah, interesting.
Jun 26 13:49:19 <megosdog> Ah, crap.  I've got to install ssh server again.  Drat.
Jun 26 13:49:30 <megosdog> I did the diablo update last night and it blew away all my apps.  :(
Jun 26 13:50:08 <melmoth> i m ont ugrading so soon.
Jun 26 13:50:28 <megosdog> Well, I think I jumped a bit too soon myself.  Ah well.
Jun 26 13:50:31 <melmoth> not just now that evince was avaialble in chinook :)
Jun 26 13:50:33 <zap> megosdog: you can download .deb files first and then install them with dpkg -i
Jun 26 13:50:45 <zap> megosdog: look for the apt-getit script on garage
Jun 26 13:50:53 <megosdog> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at doing.
Jun 26 13:51:08 <melmoth> you can also add the chinook repo if i remember correctly
Jun 26 13:51:11 <zap> it supports both .install files and just package names on command line
Jun 26 13:51:12 <GAN800> evince has been available since November.
Jun 26 13:51:13 <melmoth> should work more or less out of the box
Jun 26 13:51:35 <melmoth> i did not see evince in extras (not extra-devel) only for a couple of weeks
Jun 26 13:51:59 <GAN800> 99% of Chinook stuff works fine in Diablo.
Jun 26 13:52:27 <zap> so why chinook repos aren't in sources by default :)
Jun 26 13:52:39 <GAN800> Evince for OS2008 has been available since last year.
Jun 26 13:53:11 <GAN800> zap, do you really not know the answer to a question like that?
Jun 26 13:53:14 <melmoth> Well, may be, it s just that apt-get did not showed it.
Jun 26 13:53:39 <melmoth> but i think it as only available in extras-devel, wich would explain why it never appeared on y tablet
Jun 26 13:53:54 <pekuja> where can I find the original kernel binary for diablo? -__-
Jun 26 13:54:03 <GeneralAntilles> In the FIASCO image?
Jun 26 13:54:16 <pekuja> I just flashed a new kernel in without realizing the filesystem driver was compiled as a module
Jun 26 13:55:20 <L0cutus> someone can/want port fcron to maemo ? ;-)
Jun 26 13:55:52 <hrw> pekuja: look in /usr/share/osso-images/
Jun 26 13:56:05 <GeneralAntilles> zap, I said 99% compatible, not 100%, and Nokia doesn't even ship Extras ENABLED, why would they ship a completely untested Chinook repository in Diablo? Further, the Extras situation as it stands is temporary, and you don't want clueless users pulling down old stuff in a month when we get back up to speed. :\
Jun 26 13:56:47 <hrw> L0cutus: fcron? you do not have more problems?
Jun 26 13:56:52 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: sup
Jun 26 13:56:57 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy
Jun 26 13:56:58 <hrw> hi pvanhoof
Jun 26 13:57:20 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: taking a little break to write a shopping list app in python as a learning exercise :P
Jun 26 13:57:23 <L0cutus> hrw: which problem ? :)
Jun 26 13:57:29 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jun 26 13:57:34 <pekuja> hrw, on the N810? the device isn't booting up
Jun 26 13:57:39 <rm_you> though i am now too tired to actually go shopping...
Jun 26 13:57:41 <pvanhoof> hrw, hey
Jun 26 13:57:54 <hrw> pekuja: "flasher -F fiascoimage -u" then
Jun 26 13:57:57 <GeneralAntilles> I suppose you can only uselessly pound your head on one problem for so long before having to try something else for a little while? :P
Jun 26 13:57:59 * rm_you isn't going shopping till his app is done and he can use it to make a list
Jun 26 13:58:25 <rm_you> yeah
Jun 26 13:58:39 <rm_you> been chasing the volume crash bug around in circles for three days straight
Jun 26 13:58:45 <rm_you> i have ZERO new ideas
Jun 26 13:58:51 <rm_you> it's inexplicable
Jun 26 13:59:56 <rm_you> i'm basically stalled on every one of our TODOs
Jun 26 14:00:12 <pekuja> hrw, ok then :-/
Jun 26 14:00:17 <rm_you> *sigh*
Jun 26 14:03:12 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe we can kidnap an engineer when we go trout-walloping. :D
Jun 26 14:04:02 <pupnik> !seen alterego
Jun 26 14:04:09 <GeneralAntilles> Since never
Jun 26 14:04:19 <GeneralAntilles> ~seen alterego
Jun 26 14:04:23 <infobot> alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 119d 21h 46m 44s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'.
Jun 26 14:04:55 <pupnik> urgh
Jun 26 14:08:02 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: hrm... or maybe multilist (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/multilist/) will work ;P
Jun 26 14:08:22 <hrw> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3315
Jun 26 14:08:33 <hrw> rm_you: what about OH Tasks?
Jun 26 14:09:05 <rm_you> hrw: ?
Jun 26 14:10:23 <hrw> for shopping list
Jun 26 14:11:09 <rm_you> ah
Jun 26 14:12:10 <rm_you> hrw: don't see that on garage?
Jun 26 14:12:34 <robsta> any indt folks around?
Jun 26 14:12:49 <robsta> canola2 installation seems to be broken
Jun 26 14:13:07 <robsta> "Application package not found"
Jun 26 14:13:07 <GAN800> #canola
Jun 26 14:13:10 <hrw> rm_you: http://maemo.o-hand.com/ for package http://pimlico-project.org/ for screenshot
Jun 26 14:13:38 <robsta> oh, thx GAN800
Jun 26 14:13:45 <rm_you> ah that could work too probably
Jun 26 14:13:51 <Jaffa> X-Fade: how long after uploading a package to diablo-extras-builder is it reasonable to expect *some* form of output on https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q2/thread.html or https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ ?
Jun 26 14:13:58 <rm_you> but multilist looks to be very decent especially for shopping lists
Jun 26 14:14:17 <X-Fade> Jaffa: That depends on how many packages there are waiting in the queue.
Jun 26 14:14:34 <rm_you> but unfortunately in the process of looking for and then beginning to write my own shopping list software, I forgot what I actually needed to buy >_>
Jun 26 14:15:09 <Jaffa> X-Fade: is there anything which shows the current queue size?
Jun 26 14:15:41 <hrw> why garage users do not even upload page with screenshots ;(
Jun 26 14:16:10 <X-Fade> No, but there is only one package left and that is yours. So I guess it will show up shortly..
Jun 26 14:16:23 <lardman> hrw: +1, should be more info on the Garage front pages too, what the app is, etc.
Jun 26 14:16:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: I'm not expecting it to work, TBH - but interested in seeing the output :-)
Jun 26 14:16:44 <X-Fade> Jaffa: You will get a mail with the result..
Jun 26 14:16:52 <Jaffa> X-Fade: cool
Jun 26 14:17:11 <hrw> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 - someone got that bug too?
Jun 26 14:22:20 <Cptnodegard> does shit that worked with chinook automatically work with diablo or will it be another "apps have to be updated" thing?
Jun 26 14:23:41 <Cptnodegard> if email client and update system is the only new shit it seems like a waste of time
Jun 26 14:24:10 <X-Fade> Cptnodegard: Nobody forces you to update.
Jun 26 14:24:18 <rm_you> I believe there were a lot of bugfixes across the board
Jun 26 14:24:45 <Cptnodegard> so....no real new feature?
Jun 26 14:24:55 <rm_you> dunno <_<
Jun 26 14:24:57 <Cptnodegard> that really is the only new things?
Jun 26 14:25:02 <rm_you> some real release notes would be nice
Jun 26 14:25:08 <rm_you> well, night
Jun 26 14:25:09 * rm_you sleeps
Jun 26 14:25:16 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jun 26 14:25:17 <Cptnodegard> well
Jun 26 14:25:26 <Cptnodegard> mine ain't broken, so im not going to "fix" it
Jun 26 14:26:24 <jott> Cptnodegard: well a main point is, that this is supposed to be the last flash image you really need to flash for the devices..
Jun 26 14:27:16 <jott> (as now a kernel can be flashed via a dpkg postinst ;)
Jun 26 14:27:18 <Cptnodegard> jott: i get that, but if thats the only new thing i see no reason to update until theres an update that does give something new. pain in the ass to get all apps working again
Jun 26 14:27:41 <jott> ....sure it's all up to you..
Jun 26 14:27:51 <pekuja> I'm trying to upgrade my kernel right now actually
Jun 26 14:28:05 <pekuja> the problem is, I can't write to /mnt/initfs, so how do I get my modules on there?
Jun 26 14:28:10 <hrw> Cptnodegard: the problem is that initfs size got changed and kernel got changed so you cannot use chinook with diablo kernel/initfs
Jun 26 14:28:24 <pekuja> or do I then need to compile the filesystem module straight into the kernel?
Jun 26 14:28:39 <trickie|work> pekuja: would be easiest
Jun 26 14:28:40 <GAN800> Application manager is much better, browser was updated, Media player, Modest, xterm, virtual input methods are much better.
Jun 26 14:28:45 <hrw> pekuja: you have 2M for kernel - what for use modules ;D
Jun 26 14:28:58 <GAN800> lot of small improvements.
Jun 26 14:29:07 <pekuja> hrw, yeah. well, that was just how the default config was
Jun 26 14:29:13 <hrw> lot of bugs still not fixed anyway
Jun 26 14:29:43 <GAN800> Well, sure, but that's true with most software.
Jun 26 14:30:07 <GAN800> You rarely have 'all bugs are now fixed!' releases.
Jun 26 14:30:07 <jott> as long as the total number of open bugs decreases its a step in the right direction ;)
Jun 26 14:30:20 <pekuja> or am I wrong in thinking that the filesystem on N810 is ext3?
Jun 26 14:30:24 <pekuja> or ext2
Jun 26 14:30:36 <GAN800> It's jffs2
Jun 26 14:30:39 <pekuja> ah
Jun 26 14:30:41 <pekuja> yeah
Jun 26 14:30:42 <pekuja> hmm
Jun 26 14:30:47 <pekuja> then the problem must've been something else
Jun 26 14:32:14 <qwerty12> pekuja, For modules, learn how to modify an initfs jffs2 image, use fanoush's bootmenu and put in the modules in initfs_flasher/initfs/lib/modules/omap-something and flash or just place the modules in /lib/modules/omap-something on the rootfs
Jun 26 14:32:53 <pekuja> I think I'll just place them on the rootfs
Jun 26 14:33:09 <trickie|work> most of the time you can just compile them into the kernel
Jun 26 14:33:19 <trickie|work> i do it for all extra config i need
Jun 26 14:33:21 <pekuja> hmm
Jun 26 14:33:25 <mgedmin> waah, someone is DOSing my irclogsearch CGI script
Jun 26 14:33:27 <pekuja> it still seems like it isn't booting though
Jun 26 14:33:34 <mgedmin> brute-force grep doesn't scale any more
Jun 26 14:33:36 <mgedmin> time to optimize
Jun 26 14:33:49 <Stskeeps> mgedmin: google?
Jun 26 14:33:58 <X-Fade> mgedmin: Hmm that sucks.
Jun 26 14:34:02 <pekuja> this is what I'm doing:
Jun 26 14:34:15 <mgedmin> although seeing loadavg of 100 is kinda fun
Jun 26 14:34:17 <pekuja> sudo flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage
Jun 26 14:34:46 <pekuja> it looks like it flashes ok, but then when I boot the device up, it enters an infinite reboot loop
Jun 26 14:35:06 <pekuja> requiring me to remove the battery
Jun 26 14:35:18 <pekuja> it gets to the splash screen with the hands
Jun 26 14:35:26 <qwerty12> Which kernel are you flashing?
Jun 26 14:35:29 <pekuja> then back to the big Nokia logo
Jun 26 14:35:33 <pekuja> linux-omap-2.6
Jun 26 14:35:52 <pekuja> latest from git. I guess it could just be broken
Jun 26 14:36:04 <jott> has actually someone made a toolchain for the initfs? or should the cs uclibc version x.yz work ootb?
Jun 26 14:37:05 <megosdog> Oh, great.  The openSSH client and server installs on maemo.org are gone.  I can't get to the install files.
Jun 26 14:37:55 <megosdog> Oh, wait.  That's interesting.  it has been downloading them.  lol.  NM.
Jun 26 14:38:42 <pekuja> using n800_defconfig
Jun 26 14:39:00 <megosdog> Bah, I couldn't get the deb for the OpenSSH client and server installs.  Anyone got a direct link?
Jun 26 14:39:06 <pekuja> on an n810 though, but I understand the n800 config should work fine?
Jun 26 14:39:15 <mgedmin> megosdog: use the chinook ones
Jun 26 14:39:34 <guardian> what is VDSO ?
Jun 26 14:39:51 <megosdog> Where do I get those at?
Jun 26 14:40:42 <mgedmin> guardian: virtual dynamic shared object
Jun 26 14:42:14 <X-Fade> Jaffa: When did you set your pgp key?
Jun 26 14:42:21 <sinak> hello. I 've installed VGBA emulator, but i can't configure A and B buttons
Jun 26 14:42:51 <Jaffa> X-Fade: when I got my original invitation, but a) I had another machine then, and b) I couldn't find the URL to put a newly generated key in.
Jun 26 14:42:52 <pupnik> sinak for N810?
Jun 26 14:42:56 <sinak> N800
Jun 26 14:43:23 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Ok, it didn't get imported yet. Just a sec, I'll help it anong ;)
Jun 26 14:43:36 <Jaffa> X-Fade: where'll it import it *from*?
Jun 26 14:43:42 * Jaffa is going to start a wiki page
Jun 26 14:44:32 <X-Fade> Jaffa: From one pubring to another ;)
Jun 26 14:44:47 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Can you try it again?
Jun 26 14:45:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: and so where've you got my key from? :-)
Jun 26 14:45:40 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, the builder didn't have it yet ;)
Jun 26 14:45:53 <pekuja> does anyone know of any good instructions or anything like that on running linux-omap kernel on N810?
Jun 26 14:46:08 <megosdog> Hmm, I think I found it.
Jun 26 14:46:10 <pekuja> I followed the Maemo Kernel Guide instructions, but I'm ending up with an infinitely looping N810
Jun 26 14:46:11 <RST38h> sinak: So, which keys do you want to assign A/B buttons to?
Jun 26 14:46:12 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ah, but when I generated it with gpg it uploaded it to the central keyring?
Jun 26 14:46:21 <pekuja> s/looping/restarting/
Jun 26 14:46:21 <infobot> pekuja meant: I followed the Maemo Kernel Guide instructions, but I'm ending up with an infinitely restarting N810
Jun 26 14:46:48 <sinak> RST38h that's a good question.. Let's say the zooms keys
Jun 26 14:47:13 <X-Fade> Jaffa: When you add the key via the garage website, it gets imported into the pubring.
Jun 26 14:47:20 <RST38h> sinak: Ok. And how are you gonna use zoom keys for fire while using directional pad at the same time?
Jun 26 14:47:31 <qwerty12> The zoom keys are cramped anyway.
Jun 26 14:47:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: that's my point: where on the garage website do I add my *new* key?
Jun 26 14:47:56 <sinak> so how can you play with this emulators?
Jun 26 14:48:24 <hrw> ~curse MyDocs/.*
Jun 26 14:48:25 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, MyDocs/.* !
Jun 26 14:48:42 <RST38h> sinak: form the menu, select "Show Cues"
Jun 26 14:48:50 <RST38h> s/form/from
Jun 26 14:48:58 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I need to send you an invitation for that.
Jun 26 14:49:10 <churl> what's the best way to transfer data from the internal sd mem card to the external?
Jun 26 14:49:22 <Jaffa> X-Fade: gah, so there's no way of changing my keys without being re-invited? OK. For the wiki page what's the preferred way of getting invited?
Jun 26 14:49:29 <churl>  Jaffa: I need to send you an invitation for that.
Jun 26 14:49:29 <churl> <churl> what's the best way to transfer data from the internal sd mem card to the external?
Jun 26 14:49:29 <churl> <Jaffa> X-Fade: gah, so there's no way of changing my keys without being re-invited? OK. For the wiki page what's the preferred way of getting invited?
Jun 26 14:49:30 <jott> hrw: i just did a "ln -s ~/MyDocs/.documents ~/Documents" etc
Jun 26 14:49:31 <RST38h> churl: cp command? =)
Jun 26 14:49:59 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, we have this page where you can change your ssh key already. And the pgp key is going to be added there.
Jun 26 14:50:13 <churl> red way of getting invited?
Jun 26 14:50:13 <churl> <jott> hrw: i just did a "ln -s ~/MyDocs/.documents ~/Documents" etc
Jun 26 14:50:13 <churl> <RST38h> churl: cp command? =)
Jun 26 14:50:13 <churl> <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, we have this page where you can change your ssh key already. And the pgp key is going to be added there.
Jun 26 14:50:25 <Jaffa> X-Fade: indeed, I found that, and expected the PGP key to be there too :)
Jun 26 14:50:35 <X-Fade> Me too ;)
Jun 26 14:50:51 <RST38h> churl: Are you trying to impress us with your mighty cut&paste capabilities?
Jun 26 14:51:05 <qwerty12> Lol
Jun 26 14:51:30 <churl> ok wasnt sure on how the file system works on here
Jun 26 14:51:31 <jott> just don't press the scrollwheel while scrolling ;)
Jun 26 14:51:34 <megosdog> Nope, that wasn't it.  Drat.  I tried snagging the actual deb file from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/o/openssh/openssh-common_4.7p1-2.maemo2_armel.deb, but it's not the right one apparently.
Jun 26 14:52:03 <guardian> mgedmin: thx, just changed my linux box and i'm discovering the scratchbox messages about it :)
Jun 26 14:52:20 <churl> all the text is coming up blank
Jun 26 14:52:21 <churl> sorry
Jun 26 14:52:47 <mgedmin> guardian: you know the fix, right?
Jun 26 14:52:47 <RST38h> churl: You are in an IRC channel. It is not a file system. CP command won't work here.
Jun 26 14:52:50 <churl> punishment for booting into windows?
Jun 26 14:52:59 <mgedmin> guardian: sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096
Jun 26 14:53:03 <guardian> mgedmin: the scratchbox install script mentions it
Jun 26 14:53:12 <guardian> i was just curious about the side effect of the fix on the rest of the system
Jun 26 14:53:49 <churl> RST38h:  haha thanks
Jun 26 14:53:59 <hrw> jott: and all file requesters and maemo filemanager show Documents twice?
Jun 26 14:54:05 <Jaffa> X-Fade: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras is the start of my page describing the nitty gritty
Jun 26 14:54:45 <jott> hrw: no the broken maemo apps just show MyDocs ;p
Jun 26 14:54:48 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I plan to write some more documentation and make a graph, but there are only so many hours in a day :)
Jun 26 14:54:52 <jott> but i agree with the curse
Jun 26 14:54:57 <Jaffa> X-Fade: indeed :-(
Jun 26 14:54:59 <churl> there we go! i can see now!
Jun 26 14:55:14 <qwerty12> All someone has to do is recompile libhildonfm to show ~
Jun 26 14:55:32 <churl> so what's the general feeling on diablo?
Jun 26 14:55:48 <hrw> qwerty12: I just had to write the same ;)
Jun 26 14:55:58 <GAN800> pekuja,
Jun 26 14:56:00 <GAN800> pekuja, talk to AStorm, it's really not worth the pain and suffering you're going to have to go through. Just use Nokia's kernel. . . .
Jun 26 14:56:08 <Jaffa> X-Fade: right, now uploaded new public key :-). Can you prod the keyring import, pleasE?
Jun 26 14:57:04 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Done.
Jun 26 14:57:05 <AStorm> yeah, there are enough bugs in that kernel to feed an anteater
Jun 26 14:57:16 <dragorn> nice, latest firmware fixes usb host mode
Jun 26 14:57:22 <AStorm> it's amazing that it works as well as it does
Jun 26 14:57:22 <pekuja> GAN800, I kinda need the new one. :-/
Jun 26 14:57:24 <dragorn> or at least, it hasn't fallen over yet for me
Jun 26 14:58:40 <Jaffa> X-Fade: resubmitted. thanks.
Jun 26 15:01:46 <nelson> Any reason why 2007's Xomap should consume 36MB memory immediately after booting?
Jun 26 15:02:34 <nelson> I'm guessing that some persistent storage loaded by X has grown after 1.5 years of operation.
Jun 26 15:03:04 <nelson> but I can't imagine what it would be.   X atoms aren't persistent.  Any hints?
Jun 26 15:03:07 <Jaffa> X-Fade: woohoo! It built :-)
Jun 26 15:03:09 <qwerty12> ~lart Nokia for not versioning their initfs and kernel packages properly
Jun 26 15:03:09 * infobot strangles Nokia with a 9-pole serial cable for not versioning their initfs and kernel packages properly
Jun 26 15:03:32 <AStorm> qwerty12: btw, could you drop me a newest kernel patch for nokia?
Jun 26 15:04:18 <qwerty12> AStorm, If you mean the diablo kernel, I don't think they do patches anymore :/ : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/k/
Jun 26 15:04:39 <AStorm> no problem full tbz is ok too
Jun 26 15:05:18 <Jaffa> X-Fade: is there a delay between the build succeeding and it appearing in extras-devel?
Jun 26 15:08:00 <Jaffa> X-Fade: nm, it's there now
Jun 26 15:11:47 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Seems that it worked in one go ;)
Jun 26 15:16:27 <Jaffa> X-Fade: aye, that is the very simplest package mud can produce though :)
Jun 26 15:20:59 <zap> Can somebody add a link here: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ ?
Jun 26 15:21:21 <Jaffa> It's a wiki, you can add links yourself :-)
Jun 26 15:21:37 <zap> I logged in but I don't see where's the edit button :)
Jun 26 15:21:48 <Jaffa> Oh, hang on - that's the old wiki.
Jun 26 15:21:56 <zap> oops
Jun 26 15:22:25 <Jaffa> zap: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking
Jun 26 15:22:45 <zap> I just thought it would be nice to add a link to bug #3243 about usb networking not working with OS2008 and windows
Jun 26 15:22:49 <melmoth> X-Fade: am i suppose to increment the package version each time i re send one ?
Jun 26 15:22:51 <Jaffa> Good criteria when updating those migrated pages: delete and restructure more than you add ;-)
Jun 26 15:22:56 <zap> so that people like me don't spend time trying to make it work
Jun 26 15:23:56 <melmoth> X-Fade: funnyly enough, the sword package i got in the extra repository is empty, the one i build locally got the packages. And on the we page, (https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/python-sword_1.5.10-3/sources/) still has yesterday timestamp
Jun 26 15:24:31 <melmoth> grumble, that was the wrong url
Jun 26 15:24:45 <melmoth> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/sword_1.5.10-4/sources/
Jun 26 15:26:35 <X-Fade> melmoth: I see sword in the promotor just fine?
Jun 26 15:26:48 <X-Fade> both sword and sword-dev.
Jun 26 15:27:35 <Stskeeps> now.. this may be a stupid question.. is 800x600 the ultimate highest the xserver can run on, on the n800?
Jun 26 15:28:38 <melmoth> X-Fade: the package are there, but when i apt-get them, they are empty.
Jun 26 15:28:50 <melmoth> built locally, they are not empty
Jun 26 15:28:56 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, No idea, but if you feel like finding out and risking a reflash, edit x-server.defs
Jun 26 15:29:24 <Jaffa> X-Fade: how long do things take to hit the promoter interface (or is it a separate interface for chinook/diablo)? Not that I want to promote ccal, but want to understand the nuances
Jun 26 15:29:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: mm, might try on my debian install.. less chance of a reflash
Jun 26 15:30:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo and https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/chinook
Jun 26 15:30:36 <Stskeeps> *starts his debian installer to see if the integration of X now works*
Jun 26 15:30:41 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ah, cool
Jun 26 15:31:45 <X-Fade> melmoth: I don't see empty packages. They look ok to me.
Jun 26 15:32:27 <X-Fade> I've got to go for now. bbl.
Jun 26 15:33:12 <lardman> bmidgley: ping
Jun 26 15:36:24 <lardman> Anyone happen to have any thoughts on the relative speed differences of fixed point vs Q15 calculation?
Jun 26 15:38:54 <wazd> awkay, I'm ready for that epic football batle tonight :)
Jun 26 15:56:26 <nelson> Anybody having trouble with X taking up a huge amount of memory on OS2007?
Jun 26 15:57:15 <zs_> hacker edition?
Jun 26 15:58:57 <nelson> No, production.
Jun 26 15:59:41 <nelson> and, it's after a reboot, and before I run any programs (other than ssh and/or X term, of course)
Jun 26 16:00:50 <GAN800> Why are you on OS2007? :/
Jun 26 16:01:04 <nelson> kbdd doesn't work on 2008.
Jun 26 16:01:28 <nelson> or, rather, I need a uinput module for 2008.  kbdd would work on os2008 with that.
Jun 26 16:03:14 <qwerty12> Um, you do know that fanoush has kbdd for os2008 right?
Jun 26 16:03:23 <zs_> yeah why are you on os2007?
Jun 26 16:04:23 <summatusmentis> maybe he just likes os2007 better! ever think of that? huh? huh?
Jun 26 16:04:56 <qwerty12> Don't make me stab you!
Jun 26 16:05:28 <summatusmentis> you're across the big blue lake, let's see you try it!
Jun 26 16:05:59 <qwerty12> Fine, I'll go to Lizard's end and use a slingshot!
Jun 26 16:06:24 * summatusmentis hides
Jun 26 16:06:29 <qwerty12> (well, I think it's called lizard's end)
Jun 26 16:06:32 <summatusmentis> I talk big, but that's about it
Jun 26 16:06:35 * GAN800 stabs summatusmentis 
Jun 26 16:06:36 <summatusmentis> what's lizard's end?
Jun 26 16:06:49 <summatusmentis> GAN800: from 1000 mi away?
Jun 26 16:07:15 <qwerty12> Sorry, Land's end. It's the most western point in the UK
Jun 26 16:07:32 <summatusmentis> oh, that makes more sense
Jun 26 16:08:04 <churl> so is a lizards lands end his tail or his wang?
Jun 26 16:08:13 <GAN800> Is the source of the OS2007 Application Menu open?
Jun 26 16:08:28 <GAN800> I have a long knife.
Jun 26 16:08:47 <qwerty12> GAN800, It may be, I'll take a look for you.
Jun 26 16:08:59 <summatusmentis> GAN800: your mom said I had a long knife too...
Jun 26 16:09:08 <summatusmentis> I'm done now
Jun 26 16:09:28 <GAN800> I'm just wondering if so many people seem to want the finger detection for the menu why they don't just port that.
Jun 26 16:09:37 <churl> sorry for directing converstaion in that direction
Jun 26 16:09:59 <summatusmentis> finger detection for the menu?
Jun 26 16:10:25 <nelson> qwerty12: he does?  I've looked at his page, and it doesn't list os2008:  http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/
Jun 26 16:10:53 <qwerty12> "Nokia 770, N800 with IT2006/7/8"
Jun 26 16:10:58 <qwerty12> http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kbdd.tar.gz
Jun 26 16:11:15 <nelson> zs_: and yes, I prefer os2008.  prettier!
Jun 26 16:11:33 <nelson> qwerty12: yeah, but the uinput driver for it2008 is not present.
Jun 26 16:11:50 <nelson> (not being completely bereft of sense, I tried it first)
Jun 26 16:12:14 <qwerty12> Yes it is. uinput.ko.2.6.21-omap1.
Jun 26 16:12:21 <qwerty12> 2.6.21 is the kernel version of chinook
Jun 26 16:12:50 <wazd> Why does Crysis is not support Win 3.11 !(
Jun 26 16:13:00 <wazd> have anybody faced this problem?(
Jun 26 16:13:05 <qwerty12> Yes :(
Jun 26 16:13:26 <qwerty12> I wanted to play GTA IV in 3.11 and it said my ram was too low :(
Jun 26 16:14:00 <wazd> I think it said "it's not a coslole, sry pal" xD
Jun 26 16:14:07 <summatusmentis> I was reading Win 3.1 for dummies, and they said if you have a large picture of a peacock as your wallpaper, you'll get low memory errors
Jun 26 16:14:16 <summatusmentis> you're better off to tile smaller pictures of peacockes
Jun 26 16:14:18 <summatusmentis> peacocks*
Jun 26 16:14:55 <wazd> Hell, I can't do anything but waiting for footbal(
Jun 26 16:14:55 <qwerty12> That would work quite well for you summatusmentis, you could tile your tiny "peacock" to make it seem bigger.
Jun 26 16:15:13 <nelson> qwerty12: DOH!  I had copied over an old version.  Sorry, my bad.
Jun 26 16:15:29 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: you're the one with a picture of it as your wallpaper
Jun 26 16:15:49 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Shit, I've been caught out.
Jun 26 16:16:01 <qwerty12> nelson, You've been holding back on os2008 for how long now? :P
Jun 26 16:16:14 <nelson> pthththththththht!
Jun 26 16:17:24 <wazd> Does anybody know how to edit "project homepage" in garage?) I should be admin?)
Jun 26 16:18:47 <wazd> Aw, I killed them(
Jun 26 16:19:10 <qwerty12> GAN800, Re the OS2007 application menu; it's here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1.tar.gz and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/maemo-af-desktop-config_0.1.11-1.tar.gz but the "archictecture" seems vastly different from the present hildon-desktop for anyone to do a straight port imo.
Jun 26 16:19:35 <GAN800> Interesting, thanks.
Jun 26 16:20:01 <GAN800> It'd be a fun way to make Karel STFU if it were an easy port.
Jun 26 16:20:49 <qwerty12> Lol, it's kinda annoying now. I mean, I know the guy hates internet tablets. Great. But a 1000 posts later to the same effect makes me want to say fuck off.
Jun 26 16:21:13 <wazd> Karel? he's cool)
Jun 26 16:21:37 <GAN800> He's a troll.
Jun 26 16:22:03 <wazd> Don't think that he hates tablets. But he points things that are really bad
Jun 26 16:22:11 <wazd> what's wrong with that
Jun 26 16:22:19 <hrw|gone> bye
Jun 26 16:22:19 <GAN800> Mostly he just trolls these days.
Jun 26 16:22:22 <qwerty12> ~lart /me for forgetting to backup the mods in my initfs
Jun 26 16:22:22 * infobot cuts off /me's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for forgetting to backup the mods in my initfs
Jun 26 16:22:24 <wazd> cya
Jun 26 16:22:52 <GAN800> You, evidently, haven't seen him in action much, wazd. ;)
Jun 26 16:23:36 <GAN800> He spends his time trolling about the Pandora now.
Jun 26 16:23:52 <Jaffa> *cough* vapourware *cough*
Jun 26 16:24:11 <nelson> does Pandora come in a boxed version?
Jun 26 16:24:14 <GAN800> I like reading his 'get the Pandora in April' posts.
Jun 26 16:24:42 <Jaffa> nelson: heh. Seriously, does it even come in a *case* yet? ;-)
Jun 26 16:24:51 <GAN800> nelson, it doesn't come in anything yet.
Jun 26 16:24:59 <crashanddie> wth is pandora ,
Jun 26 16:25:06 <GAN800> It's still non-existent.
Jun 26 16:25:22 <wazd> wrong) It is)
Jun 26 16:25:33 <wazd> But devel-only
Jun 26 16:25:34 <GAN800> They've shipped 100 dev boards to kernel hacker-types.
Jun 26 16:25:53 <GAN800> Way behind schedule
Jun 26 16:26:05 <sjgadsby> It's always nice to be told again that the non-existant software on the non-existant Pandora is better than Internet Tablet OS.
Jun 26 16:26:34 <Jaffa> crashanddie: an evolution of the GP2X: a hobbyist's ARM board intended to be used in a semi-mythical "ultimate" gaming device.
Jun 26 16:26:34 <GAN800> lol
Jun 26 16:26:46 <crashanddie> oh
Jun 26 16:26:48 <GAN800> It wont even really have software
Jun 26 16:26:52 <crashanddie> yeah, nothing fancy then
Jun 26 16:27:00 <GAN800> It's basically just an emu loader.
Jun 26 16:27:18 <GAN800> Probably Debian to come later.
Jun 26 16:27:26 <wazd> Well, I aggree tat it's wrong to compare Pandora and ITT's )
Jun 26 16:27:46 <summatusmentis> Internet Tablet Talks?
Jun 26 16:27:47 <sjgadsby> Yeah, well Debian's coming on the tablets too. *shruggles*
Jun 26 16:28:02 <wazd> It's like compare iPhone 6 and n1000 xD
Jun 26 16:28:06 <nelson> Ubuntu's already there.
Jun 26 16:28:29 <nelson> anybody know what package hidd is now in?
Jun 26 16:28:36 <wazd> AWWW, ubuntu MID is SO fricking awful!11
Jun 26 16:28:50 <wazd> It looks like OS2005 or 6
Jun 26 16:28:56 <nelson> Under OS2007 it was in bluez-utils and it's not there in OS2008.
Jun 26 16:29:01 <nelson> wazd: OS2004.
Jun 26 16:29:15 <GAN800> Ubuntu Mobile still needs some time
Jun 26 16:29:16 <wazd> I think that there were no 04 :)
Jun 26 16:29:29 <qwerty12> nelson, I believe hcid replaced it
Jun 26 16:29:49 <sjgadsby> Have any apps been shown for Ubuntu Mobile yet, or is it still just always the launcher?
Jun 26 16:30:11 <wazd> How can such a big company throw to a market such a badly designed thing
Jun 26 16:30:14 <nelson> qwerty12: tnx.
Jun 26 16:30:28 <Jaffa> wazd: the moblin team is even smaller than the maemo one, AFAICT
Jun 26 16:31:00 <wazd> Jaffa, well, and no quallity control from Canonical?
Jun 26 16:31:52 <Jaffa> wazd: no idea, I was just following the dev list for a few months
Jun 26 16:32:26 <GAN800> Hasn't really shipped yet, so. . . .
Jun 26 16:32:48 <wazd> Jaffa, I think they should find some UI and design masters
Jun 26 16:33:54 <wazd> Right now Microsoft origami 2 looks hell much slicker and adorable
Jun 26 16:34:07 <wazd> Can I say "Microsoft" here?)
Jun 26 16:34:38 <summatusmentis>  /kick wazd
Jun 26 16:36:22 <GAN800> But also bloated as shit
Jun 26 16:36:25 <wazd> So, once more, should I be Admin to change "progect home page" in the garage?)
Jun 26 16:37:02 <Jaffa> wazd: certainly a contributor to the project with sufficient rights. "Admin" is certainly good enough :)
Jun 26 16:37:17 <Jaffa> But I think the admin can define the capabilities of each of the other roles
Jun 26 16:37:19 <GAN800> Anyway, there isn't a whole lot of point in lingering over this stuff until it's actually shipped.
Jun 26 16:39:00 <wazd> Jaffa, and where should I find appropriate button or FTP settings?)
Jun 26 16:39:36 <Jaffa> wazd: On your garage project page, click "Admin", then "Edit public info" and it's the third field
Jun 26 16:39:45 <GAN800> www folder in svn, isn't it?
Jun 26 16:40:14 <Jaffa> GAN800: no, you can point it anywhere you like; doesn't have to be http://<project>.garage.maemo.org/ (which is www in svn, as you say)
Jun 26 16:40:27 <GAN800> Ah, I see.
Jun 26 16:46:35 <wazd> the problem is that I'm not an admin but I need to update OMWeather homepage :)
Jun 26 16:52:58 <Jaffa> wazd: then you need to be given the "be able to edit public info" privilege, full-blown admin rights, or get the admin to do it
Jun 26 17:28:50 <qwerty12> Here, random package time. cfdisk: http://www.mediafire.com/?992d1yvr4z3 . Now, for those who feel like breaking something: http://www.mediafire.com/?2ssty1y8y35 & http://www.mediafire.com/?h3yewblvvxh . Those last 2 packages will make hildon applications show $HOME as root, not $MYDOCS dir ;)
Jun 26 17:30:23 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: what is this mediafire site?
Jun 26 17:30:35 <qwerty12> Just a random file hoster
Jun 26 17:30:59 <summatusmentis> oh... this is stuff you built
Jun 26 17:31:04 <qwerty12> Yeah
Jun 26 17:33:40 <lcuk_work> qwerty12, are you in 1337 hacking mood
Jun 26 17:34:01 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: you should put them in garage or something
Jun 26 17:34:21 <qwerty12> lcuk_work, nah, just bored :P :)
Jun 26 17:35:19 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Dunno, the cfdisk is a ripped package for example. busybox whines like a bitch when installing util-linux (the original source of cfdisk) so I just ripped out cfdisk and call it it's own package :)
Jun 26 17:35:35 <qwerty12> The other 2, I can't justify an garage project for them :)
Jun 26 17:36:20 <lcuk_work> aren't there any other file managers around that are workable
Jun 26 17:36:29 * lcuk_work would have thought there was
Jun 26 17:36:36 <qwerty12> emelfm2
Jun 26 17:36:36 <summatusmentis> lcuk: kde
Jun 26 17:36:46 <summatusmentis> oh, file managers, not window managers
Jun 26 17:36:48 <summatusmentis> >_>
Jun 26 17:38:52 <konttori_> has the kde dolphin been ported for the current kde distribution?
Jun 26 17:38:58 <konttori_> that's quite nice FM
Jun 26 17:39:26 <qwerty12_N800> Is dolphin in kde 3 as well?
Jun 26 17:39:41 <lcuk> is kde available on standard maemo ? ;)
Jun 26 17:40:07 <lcuk> although 4.1 looks quite nice
Jun 26 17:40:16 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: I don't think so
Jun 26 17:41:50 <lcuk_> back l8r
Jun 26 17:43:03 <qwerty12_N800> In that case I refer konttori to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13958 with a note saying not to get excited :/
Jun 26 17:56:23 <RST38h> qwerty: Would you be interested in porting Nether Earth to Maemo?
Jun 26 17:56:37 <RST38h> qwerty: pupnik says he has no time and neither do I =(
Jun 26 17:57:27 <megosdog> Hey, silly question.  Does this usb networking tutorial work for the N810?  -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/
Jun 26 17:57:37 <megosdog> It only shows the 770 and the 800.
Jun 26 17:57:49 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, I could try but I can't assure brilliant results :/
Jun 26 17:59:04 <qwerty12_N800> Do you mean this one: http://www.braingames.getput.com/nether/default.asp ?
Jun 26 18:00:14 <RST38h> yep
Jun 26 18:00:32 <RST38h> it is one of the first strategy games and one of the best ones too
Jun 26 18:02:38 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, it says it uses opengl.
Jun 26 18:03:29 <RST38h> really? the original speccy game definitely DID NOT =)
Jun 26 18:04:25 * L0cutus have compiled dcron 3.1 for n800 (not deb, but with an installer)
Jun 26 18:04:26 <RST38h> Hehe, DC gun ban overturned by SCOTUS
Jun 26 18:04:44 <RST38h> let the slaughter begin =)
Jun 26 18:04:59 <qwerty12_N800> Yeah, this remake says it's gfx is rendered in opengl. I could still compile but expect slow speeds :/
Jun 26 18:05:52 <RST38h> qwerty: it is probably not worth the effort then =(
Jun 26 18:09:21 <crashanddie> I kicked the GMail notifier
Jun 26 18:09:50 <crashanddie> everytime I had spam, and I thought "oh, sweet, a reply" *clickety click* "fack"
Jun 26 18:09:50 <summatusmentis> I'm still deciding if I like modest better  or no
Jun 26 18:10:01 <crashanddie> Modest is awesomely better
Jun 26 18:10:10 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: presumably you did the "show $HOME at root of file managers" by changing MYDOCS line in /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh?
Jun 26 18:10:25 * Jaffa changed his to /media/mmc2/MyDocs using that to stop having to backup anything except settings
Jun 26 18:11:06 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa, That would be a simpler method :/. I changed it in the libhildonfm libraries.
Jun 26 18:11:20 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: I thought you might've made more work for yourself ;-)
Jun 26 18:11:31 <qwerty12_N800> Heh
Jun 26 18:11:53 <megosdog> Hey, anyone know about that usb networking tutorial?  If it's ok to use it on the n810, I'd love to know.  I'd also think that an update might be in order for the page too.  :)
Jun 26 18:12:21 <qwerty12_N800> I'm gonna have to use debian pinning on the xserver-xomap :/
Jun 26 18:13:31 <Jaffa> megosdog: follow it, find out, update wherever appropriate ;-)
Jun 26 18:14:03 <megosdog> heh.  I guess i'm not quite that brave.  ;)
Jun 26 18:14:25 <wazd> 1 hour remain :)
Jun 26 18:14:32 <wazd> Anyone here form Spain?)
Jun 26 18:14:39 <qwerty12_N800> russia v spain?
Jun 26 18:14:56 <qwerty12_N800> itv here are broadcasting it :/
Jun 26 18:15:04 <summatusmentis> wazd: sometimes I wish I were from spain
Jun 26 18:15:06 <wazd> yep) I really don't know who to cheer now)
Jun 26 18:15:22 <X-Fade> Jaffa: FWIW, on PGP key change the builder should now import the key at the same time.
Jun 26 18:15:26 <qwerty12_N800> bbc messed up nicely yesterday with their broadcast of turkey v germany :/
Jun 26 18:15:27 <wazd> Spain is veeeeeryy nice team, but Russia is Russia :)
Jun 26 18:15:35 <RST38h> wazd: just moe your car somewhere safe, if you have one
Jun 26 18:15:35 <megabyte405> megosdog: there is a maemo development kit thing available on the tablet that adds USB networking control panel support
Jun 26 18:15:41 <RST38h> s/moe/move/
Jun 26 18:15:41 <infobot> RST38h meant: wazd: just move your car somewhere safe, if you have one
Jun 26 18:15:44 <wazd> Whole Moscow is screaming and horning already)
Jun 26 18:15:51 <summatusmentis> wazd: oh, a soccer game, I assume?
Jun 26 18:15:56 <summatusmentis> or football
Jun 26 18:15:57 <wazd> yep)
Jun 26 18:15:58 <summatusmentis> or whatever
Jun 26 18:16:12 <wazd> Well, my car is far from here now)
Jun 26 18:16:18 <summatusmentis> or if you're from spain futbol :D
Jun 26 18:16:23 <wazd> Sister took it to the country )
Jun 26 18:16:36 <megosdog> megabyte405: Where can I find that?
Jun 26 18:17:08 <melmoth> X-Fade: you here ?
Jun 26 18:17:32 <X-Fade> melmoth: sure..
Jun 26 18:17:41 <melmoth> i rebuild the sword packages
Jun 26 18:17:45 <melmoth> same problem.
Jun 26 18:17:50 <melmoth> the i386 packaeg is empty
Jun 26 18:17:53 <melmoth> the armel one is ok
Jun 26 18:18:04 <melmoth> locally, both are ok.
Jun 26 18:18:18 <X-Fade> melmoth: This one? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q2/000551.html
Jun 26 18:18:49 <melmoth> yep
Jun 26 18:19:55 <X-Fade> They look fine to me?
Jun 26 18:20:16 <X-Fade> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/s/sword/
Jun 26 18:20:34 <melmoth> try apt-get install sword in a i386 target and list its content
Jun 26 18:20:50 <Jaffa> X-Fade: cool. Is the only way of changing key through invite still atm?
Jun 26 18:21:45 <melmoth> all i have is the /usr/share/doc files
Jun 26 18:22:07 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yes, do you care to test it for me ;)
Jun 26 18:22:27 <Jaffa> X-Fade: sure, I can gen a new key
Jun 26 18:22:49 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I can see that it updates without that. I think ;)
Jun 26 18:23:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: too late came the cry :)
Jun 26 18:23:28 <X-Fade> melmoth: I really don't see a problem.
Jun 26 18:23:43 <Jaffa> X-Fade: right, I've got a key ready to paste
Jun 26 18:23:53 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'll invite you again?
Jun 26 18:24:07 <melmoth> X-Fade: i an reproduce it at will here with " fakeroot apt-get remove sword;fakeroot apt-get update;fakeroot apt-get install sword"
Jun 26 18:24:30 <X-Fade> melmoth: I think your apt cache is not ok.
Jun 26 18:24:54 <melmoth> lets try an apt-get clean again
Jun 26 18:24:59 <X-Fade> melmoth: And are you sure you use the diablo extras-devel?
Jun 26 18:25:17 <Jaffa> X-Fade: done
Jun 26 18:25:45 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Crap :(
Jun 26 18:25:59 <melmoth> yep
Jun 26 18:26:13 <melmoth> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel diablo free non-free
Jun 26 18:26:13 <melmoth> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel diablo free non-free
Jun 26 18:26:26 <melmoth> there is no other sword-1.5.10-5 anywhere else
Jun 26 18:26:45 <Jaffa> X-Fade: bang?
Jun 26 18:26:47 * tlax wonders where this has gone: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_write_new_application_in_maemo_4-0.html
Jun 26 18:26:54 <X-Fade> melmoth: But I think your local package cache is not ok.
Jun 26 18:27:39 <melmoth> Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free sword 1.5.10-5 [16.2kB]
Jun 26 18:28:30 <melmoth> i got nothing in /var/cache/apt (excetp some  pkgcache.bin  srcpkgcache.bin)
Jun 26 18:28:44 <melmoth> plus the 1.5.10-5 version was only compiled and dput on the repository once
Jun 26 18:29:10 <X-Fade> melmoth: But that get is just fine, right?
Jun 26 18:29:52 <inode0> does anyone know if the feed reader is broken in diablo (or whether some old configuration I have is mucking it up)?
Jun 26 18:29:55 <melmoth> no
Jun 26 18:30:06 <melmoth> it was ok locally.
Jun 26 18:30:10 <melmoth> the one i got from the repository is not
Jun 26 18:30:24 <melmoth> well, the armel one is ok, but not the i386 one
Jun 26 18:30:42 <X-Fade> melmoth: What size does it say it should be?
Jun 26 18:32:15 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Can you try it again :) Same key should be ok.
Jun 26 18:32:16 <Jaffa> inode0: mine didn't work all yesterday, immediately after reflash - no matter how many times I hit refresh. By this morning, it'd updated
Jun 26 18:32:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: need another invite?
Jun 26 18:32:41 <X-Fade> Jaffa: You already got that ;)
Jun 26 18:32:56 <Jaffa> X-Fade: done
Jun 26 18:32:59 <melmoth> 1216    sword_1.5.10-4_i386.deb
Jun 26 18:33:13 <melmoth> -rw-r--r--   1 user user 1240338 Jun 25 21:29 sword_1.5.10-4_i386.deb
Jun 26 18:33:16 <inode0> hrm, ok, I'll put the config back and let it sit for a day, thanks
Jun 26 18:33:43 <X-Fade> Jaffa: What url do you use /my/contrib.php ?
Jun 26 18:34:33 <melmoth> GRumble, got the same after dpkg -i a package manually downloaded (wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/s/sword/sword_1.5.10-5_i386.deb
Jun 26 18:34:33 <wazd> Well, good luck all, the Game begins :)
Jun 26 18:34:36 <melmoth> )
Jun 26 18:36:02 <melmoth> hmmm, the local one is the old one.. i compiled the -5 elewhere...
Jun 26 18:36:07 <Sho_> Does anyone know if the cifs.ko that used to work with ITOS2008 still works with Diablo?
Jun 26 18:36:14 <RST38h> wazd: what channel is showing it anyway?
Jun 26 18:36:20 <melmoth> dont remeber when, i just apt-get source sword from the repo, change the changelog and recompile dit
Jun 26 18:36:37 <Jaffa> X-Fade: yep
Jun 26 18:37:52 <Sho_> or maybe an easier question, can anyone run uname -a and tell me the kernel version on Diablo?
Jun 26 18:37:57 <melmoth> X-Fade: i just rebuild the source one..i m doing a binary one now on i386
Jun 26 18:38:53 <qwerty12_N800> Sho_, still 2.6.21
Jun 26 18:39:02 <Sho_> qwerty12_N800: thanks
Jun 26 18:39:11 <Sho_> module might still work then
Jun 26 18:39:41 <Sho_> one thing I really wished for for Diablo was CIFS/SMB support with authentication in the file manager :/
Jun 26 18:41:22 <qwerty12_N800> If programming is your forte, apt-get source libhildonfm and you can implement it yourself :/
Jun 26 18:42:07 <Sho_> qwerty12_N800: Would I also be able to get it upstream, though?
Jun 26 18:42:10 <melmoth> X-Fade: -rw-r--r--   1 user user 1240340 Jun 26 20:41 sword_1.5.10-5_i386.deb
Jun 26 18:42:21 <inode0> the feed reader seems to think the device is full, sigh
Jun 26 18:42:34 <X-Fade> melmoth: Yes?
Jun 26 18:42:42 <X-Fade> melmoth: Is that the right one?
Jun 26 18:42:44 <qwerty12_N800> Sho_, I'd guess not ;/
Jun 26 18:42:48 <qwerty12_N800> *:/
Jun 26 18:43:03 <melmoth> This one works locally. A,nd it is build with the same source as the one on the xtras-devel repos
Jun 26 18:43:09 <Sho_> qwerty12_N800: shame
Jun 26 18:44:12 <melmoth> X-Fade: look at the size difference betwwen arhc on the repo itself http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/s/sword/
Jun 26 18:44:32 <X-Fade> melmoth: Ah, I see your problem.
Jun 26 18:44:34 <melmoth> why would i386 package be 100 time smaller than an amrel one ?
Jun 26 18:44:53 <X-Fade> melmoth: You said it was empty. But it is not. It is just very small ;)
Jun 26 18:45:19 <melmoth> there are no file in it, except the /usr/share/doc put there by i dont know wich dh_stuff
Jun 26 18:49:03 <X-Fade> melmoth: Weird indeed..
Jun 26 18:50:06 <X-Fade> melmoth: Does it do the same on the chinook builder?
Jun 26 18:50:12 <melmoth> And you know what, i think i had the same problem the other way around ('empty' armel one) when playing with autbuild extras-devel on chinook
Jun 26 18:50:17 <qwerty12_N800> Happens to me a lot. I just repack afterwards :/ (of course,  I wouldn't recommend that for a package in extras ;)...)
Jun 26 18:50:30 <RST38h> BTW, in the Maps application, is there a way to avoid those nagging dialogs about buying navigation?
Jun 26 18:50:32 <melmoth> at the time i though i made a mistake locally and just rebuild a package with a new version, and it worked
Jun 26 18:50:47 <mgedmin> RST38h: use Maemo Mapper ;-)
Jun 26 18:50:48 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, Buy it? :p
Jun 26 18:50:55 <X-Fade> melmoth: lol, I see that too.
Jun 26 18:51:21 <X-Fade> melmoth: Ok, don't spend any more time on it today. I'll ask the autobuilder guru ;)
Jun 26 18:51:35 <RST38h> qwerty: I do not want navigation. Just want maps + this thing to shut up
Jun 26 18:51:55 <RST38h> mgedmin: Maps has vector maps, they zoom better
Jun 26 18:52:13 <qwerty12_N800> Heh, I thought you Russians were brilliant at disassembling?
Jun 26 18:52:18 <PhosphoricX> I'm setting up communication between a phone and a maemo device, can anyone recommend a protocol for the maemo sending inquiries and the cell phone responding? It seems silly to reinvent this myself.
Jun 26 18:52:37 <melmoth> Ok, thanks for looking into this !
Jun 26 18:55:42 <RST38h> qwerty: I am too lazy to hack this thing
Jun 26 18:56:04 <RST38h> qwerty: not worth it, imho
Jun 26 18:56:10 <X-Fade> melmoth: Hmm chinook version looks ok to me?
Jun 26 18:56:22 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, :)
Jun 26 18:56:31 <X-Fade> melmoth: Almost same size for i386 and armel.
Jun 26 19:06:41 <melmoth> indeed. But in chinook, the problem solved itself on its own after recompiling yet another time
Jun 26 19:07:19 <melmoth> so i guess, the problematic one would be sword_1.5.10-2_armel.deb  wich, strangely enough has nearly the same size too.
Jun 26 19:07:22 <melmoth> i m puzzled
Jun 26 19:07:31 <X-Fade> melmoth: I asked Ed and Misha, will get back to you on that.
Jun 26 19:07:38 <konttori_> qwerty12_N800:  sweeeeet!!! thanks for the link!!!
Jun 26 19:07:50 <bmidgley> lardman pong
Jun 26 19:09:36 <konttori_> i love that dolphin isn't tying to be too much. it just works
Jun 26 19:16:26 <Andy80> hi all
Jun 26 19:17:07 <Andy80> anyone of you noticed longer battery life using diablo? or is it only a my impression?
Jun 26 19:19:27 <kkrusty> Andy80: could be so, could also be because of a clean install
Jun 26 19:19:57 <kkrusty> Andy80: thats in case there actually was a difference, It could also just be in your head
Jun 26 19:20:20 <Andy80> ok
Jun 26 19:20:48 <lbt> can applications written in gtkmm be uploaded to extras given the new autobuilder?
Jun 26 19:21:43 * lbt wonders. 
Jun 26 19:21:53 <mgedmin> try?
Jun 26 19:22:12 <X-Fade> lbt: Yes, but I don't think the rebuilded packages are uploaded yet.
Jun 26 19:22:38 <X-Fade> lbt: We hope to do that this night or tomorrow.
Jun 26 19:22:41 <lbt> Ta - it'll be a while yet - just wondering if the dependency libraries etc are there...
Jun 26 19:22:42 <Mikho> why does it seem that you have to use older libraries with maemo distributions than necessary?
Jun 26 19:23:03 <Mikho> for example, libcurl is version 7.15.5
Jun 26 19:23:19 <Mikho> it is old
Jun 26 19:23:37 <X-Fade> Mikho: Upload a newer version?
Jun 26 19:23:55 <churl> question:  can you store application data on a SD mem card?  or does all that have to fit into the devices mem?
Jun 26 19:24:02 <lbt> Is it reasonable to start trying to use the autobuilder etc with an absolute bare-minimum skeleton? Or should I wait until it's nearer to being done?
Jun 26 19:24:15 <lbt> (ie "hello world" in gtkmm
Jun 26 19:24:17 <lbt> )
Jun 26 19:24:20 <Mikho> hmm... libcurl is not just a maemo thing
Jun 26 19:24:27 <X-Fade> lbt: You can always try it out. You will get a log of why it failed.
Jun 26 19:24:51 <Mikho> I just ran into trouble, believing libcurl would copy the strings passed to it as data
Jun 26 19:24:56 <lcuk_> "it built! SHIP IT !!!"
Jun 26 19:25:10 <lbt> OK - ta. Since real people are looking at it I don't want to waste their time...
Jun 26 19:25:15 <Mikho> but libcurl does it only from 7.17
Jun 26 19:25:21 <lbt> lcuk_: yep - that's about it!!
Jun 26 19:25:37 <Mikho> why are maemo libraries so badly outdated?
Jun 26 19:25:47 <lcuk_> because you are in the future
Jun 26 19:25:52 <Mikho> I ran into strange problems with gtk versions too
Jun 26 19:26:37 <lbt_> just to make lcuk_ feel comfortable
Jun 26 19:26:39 <Mikho> the libraries keep changing interfaces, and that's not a very good thing
Jun 26 19:27:15 <Mikho> www.maemo.org also keeps changing page urls
Jun 26 19:27:16 <churl> question:  can you store application data on a SD mem card?  or does all that have to fit into the devices mem?:-D
Jun 26 19:27:22 <lcuk> :D
Jun 26 19:27:29 <churl> :-*
Jun 26 19:27:34 <Mikho> </complaint>
Jun 26 19:27:45 <kkrusty> churl: use ln?
Jun 26 19:27:48 <lcuk> Mikho, a new version of the OS has just been released
Jun 26 19:27:54 <lcuk> give it a few days for things to settle down
Jun 26 19:28:30 <Jaffa> X-Fade: BTW, what'll happen with the auto-builder if you upload, say an ..._i38.changes and corresponding deb? Will it still build the source, or will it break?
Jun 26 19:28:44 <Mikho> i'm afraid, if I develop software for the newer version, it won't run on vanilla N810:s
Jun 26 19:28:50 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It will leave them in the incoming dir.
Jun 26 19:29:01 <Mikho> and whatever the reason, that's not desirable
Jun 26 19:30:01 <kkrusty> churl: you're question reminds me of dwight
Jun 26 19:30:02 <churl> kkrusty: um, i flashed, and was reinstalling old apps.  the devices mem filled up so it gave me the old.  "not enough mem, continue with install?"  i want to know if i can install on on of my SD cards
Jun 26 19:30:19 <churl> good ol' dwight, how is he these days?
Jun 26 19:30:28 <Mikho> how is maemo 4.1 different from chinook?
Jun 26 19:30:40 <churl> .1
Jun 26 19:31:12 <Jaffa> Mikho: bug fixes, minor updates. End-user OS features Seamless Software Upgrade
Jun 26 19:31:47 <kkrusty> churl: you can use ln to make symbolic links for paths in your device mem to that on your SD
Jun 26 19:31:50 <Mikho> compability?
Jun 26 19:32:20 <kkrusty> churl: I take it that you havent watched The Office
Jun 26 19:33:16 <kkrusty> churl: for instance I made a symbolic link for the path to the dictionary files for stardict.
Jun 26 19:33:18 <churl> oh i have, but not really, my old gf watched every episode while i sat on the couch
Jun 26 19:33:20 <Jaffa> Mikho: should be pretty much full binary compatibility
Jun 26 19:33:59 <churl> ive looked this up, and found nothing, could you point me to a good link where i can read up on how i can do this?
Jun 26 19:33:59 <Mikho> has anyone backed up on that?
Jun 26 19:34:49 <churl> kkrusty: a link would rock, and maybe what it's called that im trying to do so i can google it
Jun 26 19:34:55 <Mikho> What version of N810 is nokia shipping at the moment?
Jun 26 19:35:11 <kkrusty> churl: google "man ln"
Jun 26 19:36:03 <kkrusty> churl: and you'll have to use terminal in Utilities I think
Jun 26 19:36:10 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Oh, whilst you're here. Do you know if the maemo.org accounts store creation date? It's being discussed as part of the voting policy in the elections for the Community Council: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council
Jun 26 19:37:13 <churl> kkrusty: is this a very common thing that needs to be done?
Jun 26 19:37:31 <kkrusty> churl: using ln?
Jun 26 19:38:05 <churl> kkrusty: yeah, linking the devices mem to a SD card
Jun 26 19:38:28 <kkrusty> churl: Im not sure. but its pretty useful
Jun 26 19:38:48 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It seems gforge doesn't, i have to check for midgard.
Jun 26 19:39:18 <kkrusty> churl: you're not actually linking device mem to SD card mem. You're just telling your OS that this directory is actually a link to another place
Jun 26 19:39:34 <Jaffa> X-Fade: OK. BTW, my latest package got rejected - I guess my new key hasn't been picked up :-(
Jun 26 19:39:46 <churl> kkrusty: seems so, i guess ill just read up on and an give it a whurl.    i asked cause i havnt found a step by step how to, or the same question posted
Jun 26 19:39:52 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I will do it manually now.
Jun 26 19:40:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: thanks
Jun 26 19:40:37 <megabyte405> megosdog: I just found it in my app manager
Jun 26 19:41:07 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Done.
Jun 26 19:41:49 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ta
Jun 26 19:41:57 <kkrusty> churl: its possible that no one has written one because it isnt something specific to maemo. You can google "ln linking directories" which should give you something fairly generic
Jun 26 19:42:48 <churl> kkrusty: cool thanks
Jun 26 19:43:15 <Mikho> does anybody else think C is a disease that should be removed from the world?
Jun 26 19:43:38 <lbt> Mikho: well
Jun 26 19:43:50 <Jaffa> Mikho: for anything but the lowest level code, I can see a very strong argument
Jun 26 19:43:51 <lbt> C + OO gui toolkits - yes!!!
Jun 26 19:44:09 <Jaffa> But then I've been spoilt by Java; hence my muchos interest in vala
Jun 26 19:44:12 <lbt> OTOH - you could go to lkml and see what they say...
Jun 26 19:44:21 <inode0> hehe
Jun 26 19:44:32 <Mikho> I have a strong argument, but I believe the world would be a better place without C, maybe replaced with C++ or something
Jun 26 19:44:43 <lbt> good luck with that :)
Jun 26 19:44:53 <Jaffa> Heh, I wonder if there's been a "u suxx0rz shud reright Linix in python. it r0xx!!!11"
Jun 26 19:45:10 <Jaffa> Mikho: the biggest advantage of C is that it's *not* C++.
Jun 26 19:45:48 <kkrusty> Jaffa: and that would mean ....
Jun 26 19:45:56 <lbt> I watched Linus write git in C - there's nothing wrong with it... That was a moving experience...
Jun 26 19:46:05 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm going to get some sleep. If you run into problems, just let me know.
Jun 26 19:46:21 <Jaffa> X-Fade: will do, thanks for your help
Jun 26 19:46:39 <Mikho> I traced for 4-5 hours a problem the compiler could have taken care of
Jun 26 19:47:38 <Mikho> gtk libraries try to imitate objective behavior with weird typecasts and such
Jun 26 19:47:56 <Jaffa> Mikho: seriously, look at Vala: http://live.gnome.org/Vala
Jun 26 19:48:34 <Mikho> hmm.. what is this
Jun 26 19:48:35 <Jaffa> It's a Java/C#-style language based around the GLib GObject system, with all modern facilities like auto GC etc. but compiles straight down to C
Jun 26 19:49:00 <Mikho> sound like worth investigating
Jun 26 19:49:07 <lbt> Or, if you like pure C++, gtkmm - which is what I'm playing with...
Jun 26 19:49:09 * jott wonders if gtk 3 will be written in vala :P
Jun 26 19:49:31 <lbt> or, if you like more OO and aren't a C++ purist, Qt is really nice from a design PoV
Jun 26 19:49:50 <lbt> I will look at Vala RSN though :)
Jun 26 19:49:58 <Mikho> does gtkmm work well with maemo?
Jun 26 19:50:11 <derf> Why would _anyone_ like C++?
Jun 26 19:50:15 <Mikho> I remember trying it in semi-noob stage
Jun 26 19:50:24 <lbt> There should be a wiki pointing out the various languages/libraries
Jun 26 19:50:24 <jott> derf: why would anyone like gtk?
Jun 26 19:50:31 <Mikho> C++ is a huge improvement over C
Jun 26 19:50:39 <jott> (same stupid question)
Jun 26 19:50:47 <lbt> C++ is huge over C
Jun 26 19:50:54 <derf> C++ is a giant step backwards.
Jun 26 19:51:19 <vegai> C vs C++ yay
Jun 26 19:51:20 <Mikho> C has it's advantages, mostly being very effective if it runs correctly
Jun 26 19:51:34 <glass_> why would anyone like what i don't like
Jun 26 19:51:42 <lbt> C++ should only be written in emacs
Jun 26 19:51:46 <Mikho> oh, sorry, didn
Jun 26 19:51:47 <Jaffa> Because the glass is half-full.
Jun 26 19:51:54 <Stskeeps> hm, afterstep on tablet isn't half bad. it's very stylus able
Jun 26 19:51:57 <derf> Mikho: C++ has all the same runtime problems as C, except it's vastly more comlicated, making it much harder for the programmer to get it right.
Jun 26 19:52:00 <Mikho> 't want to instigate language wars
Jun 26 19:52:06 <jott> usually a c++ rant ends with someone pointing out bad features noone really uses :p
Jun 26 19:52:08 <lpotter> lbt: agreed!
Jun 26 19:52:12 <lbt> Mikho: yeah, right!!
Jun 26 19:52:19 <lbt> where is emacs for my N800
Jun 26 19:52:26 <vegai> if your VM cannot fit in 4KB, the language is worthless
Jun 26 19:52:36 <Mikho> sounds like a lot of java lovers here
Jun 26 19:52:37 <lbt> lpotter: I hope you don't use xemacs?
Jun 26 19:52:39 <Mikho> me being one
Jun 26 19:52:43 <glass_> i like java
Jun 26 19:52:51 <derf> vegai: Let's all use LISP, then.
Jun 26 19:52:52 <lpotter> i use several flavors of emacs
Jun 26 19:53:09 <lpotter> uemacs on devices :)
Jun 26 19:53:10 <vegai> derf: I was thinking of forth, really, but ...
Jun 26 19:53:26 <lbt> lpotter: is there an N800 port - I didn't spot it...
Jun 26 19:53:33 * lpotter is partial to Qt
Jun 26 19:53:44 <lbt> (hanoi)
Jun 26 19:53:48 <Mikho> derf, I fail to understand how C++ is harder for the programmer to get it right
Jun 26 19:53:50 <dragorn> C++ has a lot of advantages to it, but C99 brought some of those to C, unfortunately templates are fuuugly.
Jun 26 19:53:58 <vegai> although I dislike C++ quite a lot, I find Qt a better toolkit than GTK
Jun 26 19:54:02 <dragorn> (and I write a lot of C++)
Jun 26 19:54:08 <vegai> because GTK just tries to make C into a C++, and that's a path of failure
Jun 26 19:54:14 <lpotter> lbt: not sure if I have uemacs for n800
Jun 26 19:54:22 <vegai> better to use the real thing, even if it's not the best thing in the world
Jun 26 19:54:47 <derf> Mikho: C++ does a million more things behind your back than C.
Jun 26 19:54:48 <Mikho> well, gtk is not the source of my problems, although it has something to do with it
Jun 26 19:54:58 <lbt> vegai: I think gtkmm and Qt are quite comparable
Jun 26 19:55:00 <derf> Exceptions are a huge one.
Jun 26 19:55:34 <dragorn> exceptions aren't behind your back, and you're not required to use them (though if you touch STL you'll get odd failures if you don't.)
Jun 26 19:55:55 <glass_> having the option of having them isn't bad
Jun 26 19:55:56 <derf> dragorn: There's no other way for a constructor to fail.
Jun 26 19:55:57 <Mikho> derf, I understand your point, but I doubt it's a million things it does
Jun 26 19:56:27 <lpotter> Qtopia does not use exceptions
Jun 26 19:56:42 <lpotter> exceptions are for ninnies ;)
Jun 26 19:56:44 <derf> But C++ preaches RAAI, so you're expected to write constructors that can fail.
Jun 26 19:56:58 <Mikho> I don't think obfuscating the difference between pointers and objects is the solution
Jun 26 19:57:06 <Mikho> never liked that in java
Jun 26 19:57:33 <derf> And destructors... they make exceptions a complete mess.
Jun 26 19:57:41 <glass_> Mikho: yeah that can sometimes confuse.. not often though, mostly i like how it's done
Jun 26 19:58:01 <derf> Now, if people actually wrote code that did no useful work in constructors and destructors, you might be able to get away without exceptions.
Jun 26 19:58:02 <Mikho> I know now how it's done, but I didn't know at first
Jun 26 19:58:19 <Mikho> I think it's unnecessarily complicated
Jun 26 19:58:42 <Mikho> why doesn't the programmer get to choose when to pass a copy and when a pointer?
Jun 26 19:58:57 <derf> Mikho: The main goal of the "obfuscation" is to make garbage collection work.
Jun 26 19:59:00 <Mikho> oh, actually he does in java too, but
Jun 26 19:59:07 <lpotter> derf: Qtopia does not use exceptions at all
Jun 26 19:59:15 <Mikho> it's unnecessarily implicit
Jun 26 19:59:52 <Mikho> well, garbage collection is a good thing, worth sacrificing some amateur programmers
Jun 26 20:00:24 <derf> Mikho: You can't have arbitrary pointers _and_ garbage collection.
Jun 26 20:00:31 <Mikho> I guess so
Jun 26 20:00:36 <derf> I mean, you can, but it will be broken.
Jun 26 20:00:41 <MangoFusion> garbage collection sucks in firefox
Jun 26 20:01:30 <MangoFusion> </mini rant>
Jun 26 20:01:38 <derf> MangoFusion: They'll get there. The engineers are over a decade behind in GC technology, but it shouldn't be too hard to catch up if they find someone who knows what they're doing.
Jun 26 20:01:39 <Mikho> Garbage collection is perfectly good, unless the code is written perfectly
Jun 26 20:01:42 <mgedmin> fsyncs suck in firefox
Jun 26 20:01:47 <MangoFusion> haha
Jun 26 20:01:50 <Mikho> I guess that isn't so often
Jun 26 20:02:07 <Khertan> we can t upload package with dput to diablo ?
Jun 26 20:02:11 <mgedmin> so, what's up with those annoying DING! noises my Maemo Mapper makes EVERY COUPLE OF SECONDS WITHOUT STOPPING?
Jun 26 20:02:15 <mgedmin> anyone else get that?
Jun 26 20:02:30 <Mikho> I wonder if programmmers will get java-like environment to work in mobile gadgets as well?
Jun 26 20:02:42 <Khertan> java suvk;s
Jun 26 20:02:47 <Khertan> sucks
Jun 26 20:02:48 <derf> Mikho: Memory management errors are both extremely common and hard to debug.
Jun 26 20:02:57 <Mikho> I know
Jun 26 20:03:01 <derf> It makes sense for a higher-level language to jump through quite some hoops to eliminate them.
Jun 26 20:03:28 <Mikho> I write countless lines of debug output to trace them every day
Jun 26 20:03:31 <derf> I can't imaigne using a high-level language that _didn't_ have GC.
Jun 26 20:03:33 <glass_> Mikho: ..like j2me, or personal profile java?
Jun 26 20:03:45 <derf> In fact, I'd argue that's a contradiction in terms.
Jun 26 20:03:54 <glass_> Mikho: or the vm in googles android..
Jun 26 20:04:15 <Mikho> I know there are some solutions, but at the moment my project is in maemo
Jun 26 20:04:28 <Mikho> and gtk
Jun 26 20:04:30 <Khertan> noone have tryed to upload to diablo repository with dput ?,
Jun 26 20:04:50 <melmoth> Khertan: i did
Jun 26 20:04:56 <melmoth> it s sort of ...funky lately
Jun 26 20:05:05 <Khertan> does  it work ?
Jun 26 20:05:11 <melmoth> well..It all depend :)
Jun 26 20:05:12 <Khertan> i get a permission denied
Jun 26 20:05:15 <mgedmin> Khertan: are youd putting a source or a binary package?
Jun 26 20:05:21 <Khertan> twice
Jun 26 20:05:28 <Khertan> but by ssh
Jun 26 20:05:31 <melmoth> Khertan: i had that twice today
Jun 26 20:05:40 <Khertan> not by the web interface
Jun 26 20:05:40 <melmoth> then it came back as usual.
Jun 26 20:05:46 <melmoth> me too, using dput
Jun 26 20:05:53 <Khertan> hum ... strange
Jun 26 20:06:08 <Khertan> this repository is more and more borring me
Jun 26 20:06:26 <Khertan> i ll make my own and this ll be far simpliest
Jun 26 20:06:31 <melmoth> on fait pas d omelette sans casser des oeux
Jun 26 20:06:49 <Khertan> ouais mais ca me saoul
Jun 26 20:07:03 <melmoth> it m also a bit furtsrated by the complexity and lack of testing of it, but the goal is a good one
Jun 26 20:07:05 <mgedmin> melmoth: you should read The Jennifer Morgue by Charles Stross
Jun 26 20:07:12 <Khertan> i pass more time to make package than to dev
Jun 26 20:07:21 <melmoth> never heard of the guy
Jun 26 20:07:45 <Khertan> yes the goal will be good .... but isn t now
Jun 26 20:08:12 <Mikho> I wonder how many people are using gtkmm at the moment?
Jun 26 20:08:14 <mgedmin> sorry, melmoth, I meant _The Atrocity Archives_
Jun 26 20:08:26 <mgedmin> it has a hilarious interlude about a guy making an omelette without breaking the eggshell
Jun 26 20:08:34 <Khertan> so ... i m tired, i ll going to sleep
Jun 26 20:08:36 <Khertan> bye
Jun 26 20:08:46 <mgedmin> Stross is a genius
Jun 26 20:08:49 <melmoth> Huhu, ok i got it now
Jun 26 20:09:00 * mgedmin reboots
Jun 26 20:09:05 <Khertan> bye
Jun 26 20:09:33 * melmoth is currebtly in Riddley Walker
Jun 26 20:09:59 <melmoth> it aint eesy tu reed, but it sure is kul
Jun 26 20:19:02 <kulve> has somebody already tested if ogg-support works with diablo?
Jun 26 20:27:12 <mgedmin> kulve: no, but I can test right now
Jun 26 20:27:45 <mgedmin> heh, the startup infotip says "Media Player (OGG) - Loading"
Jun 26 20:27:49 <mgedmin> I never noticed that before
Jun 26 20:28:15 <mgedmin> it plays my oggs
Jun 26 20:29:40 <mgedmin> that's the chinook version of ogg-support, btw
Jun 26 20:31:14 <lbt> melmoth: if you like that you may also like Feersum Edjinn by Iain M Banks <grin>
Jun 26 20:31:32 <kulve> mgedmin: yeah, I haven't even installed diablo yet
Jun 26 20:32:14 <kulve> and the (OGG) part in the name is just text in the separate desktop file, nothing special there (except the mime types)
Jun 26 20:32:24 <kulve> mgedmin: hmm.. how did you start it?
Jun 26 20:32:35 <mgedmin> from the applications menu
Jun 26 20:32:52 <kulve> hmm.. is there two version of the media player? The normal and the ogg version?
Jun 26 20:33:14 <mgedmin> how would I know?
Jun 26 20:33:20 <kulve> by opening the menu ;)
Jun 26 20:33:23 <mgedmin> I mean, the menu only has one
Jun 26 20:33:27 <kulve> ok
Jun 26 20:33:32 <kulve> so it should
Jun 26 20:33:56 <mgedmin> good
Jun 26 20:34:11 <kulve> but it shouldn't say the "ogg" there as that desktop file shouldn't show up in the menu and thus it should launch the "normal" desktop file which shouldn't say (OGG)..
Jun 26 20:34:21 <mgedmin> hmm
Jun 26 20:34:24 <Tenkawa> greetings all
Jun 26 20:34:28 <kulve> well, I need to debug it some day
Jun 26 20:34:38 <mgedmin> the menu item says "Media player", it's just the infotip that adds OGG
Jun 26 20:34:55 <Tenkawa> this error ring a bell trying to fire up scratchbox?
Jun 26 20:34:56 <Tenkawa> nconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Jun 26 20:35:02 <mgedmin> Tenkawa: yes
Jun 26 20:35:31 <Tenkawa> its not the vdso thing is it?
Jun 26 20:35:45 <mgedmin> sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=4096
Jun 26 20:35:48 <mgedmin> and I forgot the vdso one
Jun 26 20:35:55 <mgedmin> vm.vdso_support=0?
Jun 26 20:36:03 <Tenkawa> I thought that couldnt be higher than 4096
Jun 26 20:36:10 <Tenkawa> its set to 0
Jun 26 20:36:11 <mgedmin> ls /proc/sys/vm/*vdso* should tell you the name
Jun 26 20:36:26 <Tenkawa> yeah I dont have that in proc at all for vdso
Jun 26 20:36:36 <Tenkawa> let me try the minaddr one
Jun 26 20:36:54 <mgedmin> the mmap one causes a different error, iirc
Jun 26 20:37:13 <mgedmin> (not being able to run arm executables in scratchbox, with permission denied errors)
Jun 26 20:37:26 <mgedmin> I'm on 64-bit linux here and see no vdso in my /proc/sys
Jun 26 20:37:37 <mgedmin> I also don't have scratchbox on this machine
Jun 26 20:38:09 <Tenkawa> mgedmin: HMM.. my kernel :is: 64 bit but my runtime is 32
Jun 26 20:38:22 <Tenkawa> let me reboot to my generic 686 32 bit kernel
Jun 26 20:38:23 <Tenkawa> brb
Jun 26 20:39:40 <mgedmin> it's sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 vm.vdso_enabled=0 btw
Jun 26 20:40:08 <zap> and you can put them in /etc/sysctl.conf
Jun 26 20:40:28 <mgedmin> unless you have one of those machines that lock up with these settings
Jun 26 20:40:47 <mgedmin> then it is a very very bad idea to put them in sysctl.conf without testing them first
Jun 26 20:42:21 <jott> *yuk* diablo still has osso-software-version-#!$&
Jun 26 20:42:44 <mgedmin> I gathered that's how they plan to implement upgrades
Jun 26 20:42:51 <mgedmin> release a new osso-software-version-$model
Jun 26 20:43:00 <mgedmin> pull everything else through dependencies
Jun 26 20:47:25 <Tenkawa> ouch.. superblock error made me fsck 300+ gig on reboot
Jun 26 20:47:29 <Tenkawa> that took a bit
Jun 26 20:47:41 <Tenkawa> but yeah the kernel was the problem
Jun 26 20:48:33 <||cw> ext sucks like that
Jun 26 20:48:51 <Tenkawa> yep
Jun 26 20:49:19 <wazd> Well, our teaw showed ordinary game, so I'm very happy for Spanish :)
Jun 26 20:49:20 <Tenkawa> I'm just glad I hadnt allocated the other 3/4 of a tb I've got on that array yet
Jun 26 20:52:05 <t_s_o> hmm, do anyone with a clean diablo install on a n800 see cpu activity after the camera have been extended and reinserted?
Jun 26 20:55:02 <Tenkawa> t_s_o: didnt try out the camera yet this morning when I was testing diablo
Jun 26 20:55:12 <Tenkawa> sorry I cant help
Jun 26 20:56:00 <t_s_o> bah, seems it could just as well be totaly unrelated...
Jun 26 20:56:13 <t_s_o> just hildon-desktop acting up, even in diablo...
Jun 26 20:58:13 <Jaffa> Woohoo, libgee now in extras-devel - ported by MUD with just a two-line XML file
Jun 26 20:58:44 <Jaffa> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/packages/libgee.xml?root=mud-builder&rev=231
Jun 26 20:59:50 <t_s_o> hmm, top shows a whole lot of maemo-launcher with status sw<
Jun 26 21:00:43 <jott> hm was there actually some sort of policy for the extra repo to not break the osso-software-version? should be more important now than ever when this is the way to upgrade...
Jun 26 21:01:40 <t_s_o> policies are made to be broken ;)
Jun 26 21:01:46 * jott looks at libdb4.2
Jun 26 21:02:12 <jott> t_s_o: s/policies/upgrades/ :)
Jun 26 21:03:49 <jott> X-Fade: ^^ what's your pov?
Jun 26 21:06:33 <lcuk> if i load a binary in at runtime and call one of its functions.  do i have to use shared memory mapping in order that i can pass parameters and information between my main program and the module, or can the module access the same memory as the main program?
Jun 26 21:07:26 <mgedmin> lcuk: they live in the same memory space
Jun 26 21:07:35 <mgedmin> I assume you use libdl to load the module?
Jun 26 21:07:54 <lcuk> errr let me see what jott said a while back..
Jun 26 21:07:57 <mgedmin> Jaffa: sounds cool
Jun 26 21:08:07 <lcuk> :D <jott> lcuk: can't you use dlopen/dlsym?
Jun 26 21:08:47 <lcuk> i asked a similar but not quite related question a while back and jott answered with that, its been on my mind ever since
Jun 26 21:08:48 <mgedmin> why not teach mud-builder about ubuntu and debian mirrors so you could say <deb-src distro="ubuntu" version="hardy" /> ?
Jun 26 21:20:09 <Jaffa> mgedmin: good idea; currently it defaults to a debian version (testing or etch IIRC); but would be cool to do that.
Jun 26 21:20:21 <flo_lap> re
Jun 26 21:20:38 <kkrusty> I just did sb-reinstall in scratchbox which I now think was a wrong thing to do
Jun 26 21:21:00 <Jaffa> mgedmin: tomorrow or Saturday I'll get vala in extras-devel and then, hopefully, a little Hildon app using it.
Jun 26 21:21:03 <mgedmin> Jaffa: I keep meaning to join the mud-users list and figure out how to produce a sane vim package
Jun 26 21:21:21 * mgedmin is a master procrastinator
Jun 26 21:22:27 <Jaffa> mgedmin: there's an old vim in there, but I've not built it recently. I'm also thinking of minor changes to re-purpose mud to really target (and assist developers in targetting) the auto-builder.
Jun 26 21:23:49 <Jaffa> Point it at a tarball, or an svn URL and it'll try and do as much as possible.
Jun 26 21:26:16 <mgedmin> the problem with vim is that it's a tarball and a series of patches
Jun 26 21:26:31 <kkrusty> any idea how to get the chinook_x86 target back? Im using the appliance
Jun 26 21:26:49 <mgedmin> I built just the tarball and it was enough to scratch my immediate itch, but the resulting package lacks hundreds of bugfixes
Jun 26 21:27:02 <mgedmin> kkrusty: how did you lose it?
Jun 26 21:27:06 <Jaffa> hmm
Jun 26 21:27:16 <kkrusty> mgedmin: I did sb-reinstall
Jun 26 21:27:31 * mgedmin doesn't know what that is
Jun 26 21:27:43 <mgedmin> but you can always nuke a scratchbox target and reinstall it
Jun 26 21:28:03 <mgedmin> inz's blog had the great multi-target development post
Jun 26 21:28:13 <mgedmin> with the four commands needed to set up a chinook-armel target
Jun 26 21:28:16 <mgedmin> oh, you want x86
Jun 26 21:28:26 <mgedmin> then just copying & pasting commands from the blog won't work
Jun 26 21:28:43 <mgedmin> chinook's install.txt ought to list the sb-conf commands needed to set up an x86 target
Jun 26 21:28:44 <kkrusty> mgedmin: well I seem to have broken something badly. There are directories for other targets in /target
Jun 26 21:29:00 <kkrusty> but chinook_x86 is gone
Jun 26 21:29:37 <kkrusty> mgedmin: will it work for the vm appliance?
Jun 26 21:30:27 <mgedmin> it should
Jun 26 21:30:46 <mgedmin> the vm appliance is just a standard virtual box with linux and those steps already performed for you
Jun 26 21:30:49 <mgedmin> afaiu
Jun 26 21:31:34 <kkrusty> mgedmin: right! I'll give it a shot. Thanks
Jun 26 21:36:44 <kkrusty> ah! screw it! I'll just use a fresh copy of the appliance
Jun 26 21:45:44 <crashanddie> cock
Jun 26 21:45:49 <crashanddie> I think I lost my last stylus
Jun 26 21:46:12 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jun 26 21:46:17 * GeneralAntilles still has all of his.
Jun 26 21:46:32 <crashanddie> Ha !
Jun 26 21:46:34 <crashanddie> Found one !
Jun 26 21:47:03 <lbt> crashanddie: sharpen a fingernail...
Jun 26 21:47:04 * qwerty12_N800 keeps losing both of mine and finding them
Jun 26 21:47:36 <crashanddie> holy
Jun 26 21:47:52 <crashanddie> I was so happy I found it, I wanted to light a fag, almost lit the stylus xD
Jun 26 21:48:00 <qwerty12_N800> heh
Jun 26 21:50:13 <lcuk> i keep my nokia stylus tucked away, my crate holds a generic
Jun 26 21:50:51 * lcuk waves and says hi
Jun 26 21:51:09 <crashanddie> hey :)
Jun 26 21:51:11 <qwerty12_N800> hi lcuk
Jun 26 21:52:12 <ds3>  
Jun 26 21:52:47 <qwerty12_N800> didn't quite catch that
Jun 26 21:53:53 <lcuk> am i safe to upgrade to diablo yet ;)
Jun 26 21:54:08 <qwerty12_N800> why wouldn't  you be?
Jun 26 21:54:19 <lcuk> arent all the repos messed up?
Jun 26 21:54:39 <GeneralAntilles> Er, no. . . .
Jun 26 21:54:55 <lbt> nah - just use a chinook repository if things are missing
Jun 26 21:54:59 <qwerty12_N800> Meh, it's noobs talking out of their asses.
Jun 26 21:55:00 <Jaffa> Nah, just stick 'chinook' in the distribution field for a couple of weeks
Jun 26 21:55:12 <lcuk> cool :)
Jun 26 21:55:44 <lcuk> i may get brave soon, but until i rebuild system i wont be productive :(
Jun 26 21:55:53 <qwerty12_N800> and use the diablo sdk repo for your gcc fix :)
Jun 26 21:56:55 <lcuk> yer, ill poke around with it at weekend or somethin
Jun 26 21:58:10 * Jaffa has upgraded and not really seen any difference yet. + a few minor bugs fixed, - RSS reader took about 12 hours to update
Jun 26 21:58:12 <lbt> hmm - I was wondering about running raid to stripe accross the internal and external cards for more speed...
Jun 26 21:58:25 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, you used Application manager yet? :P
Jun 26 21:59:44 <mgedmin> the browser is much faster, although still not as fast as liqbase ;)
Jun 26 21:59:45 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: a bit, I read something about improved UI; but can't think I saw anything obvious
Jun 26 21:59:56 <qwerty12_N800> Also, i'd have thought the agps would be getting n810 userz sprung.
Jun 26 22:00:13 <mgedmin> panning in google reader used to be too slow to be usable; works ok now
Jun 26 22:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, try restoring applications.
Jun 26 22:00:20 <GeneralAntilles> It wont crash every 2nd or 3rd install this time around. ;)
Jun 26 22:00:27 <mgedmin> agps gave me a 60-second fix today
Jun 26 22:00:30 <mgedmin> I'm happy... sorta
Jun 26 22:00:54 <m-vo> GeneralAntilles, it did do that in chinook?
Jun 26 22:01:01 <GeneralAntilles> m-vo, yes.
Jun 26 22:01:03 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: it's still fairly frustrating that you have to sit there clicking on all the OK boxes for shortcut locations etc
Jun 26 22:01:06 <m-vo> urks
Jun 26 22:01:06 <mgedmin> something like that, yes
Jun 26 22:01:21 * mgedmin blames apps
Jun 26 22:01:33 <mgedmin> and the UI requirements to provide the mechanism for those apps
Jun 26 22:01:39 * GeneralAntilles wonders if there was ever a bug report filed for the crashing issue. . . .
Jun 26 22:03:00 <m-vo> we fixed some races that corrupted  memory
Jun 26 22:03:13 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't seem to remember the shortcut locations for games for some reason.
Jun 26 22:03:23 * Jaffa sleeps.
Jun 26 22:05:42 <snowmoon> any developers?  I'm trying to use hildon.NamePasswordDialog ( because I can' find documentation on turning off auto-caps ) and python it telling me that there is no such objct
Jun 26 22:06:54 <qwerty12_N800> I don't know much about python but have you "import hildon"?
Jun 26 22:06:59 <summatusmentis> new phone!!!!
Jun 26 22:07:06 <GeneralAntilles> old phane!!!!
Jun 26 22:07:44 <GeneralAntilles> You get teh datas yet?
Jun 26 22:07:50 <snowmoon> Yep error is module has no attribute NamePasswordDialog
Jun 26 22:08:29 <snowmoon> and this is after doing things like setting up the hildon.Program and hildon.Window reparenting
Jun 26 22:08:34 <crashanddie> http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2984/screenshot00vn6.png
Jun 26 22:08:50 <crashanddie> trying to make some kind of visualization based on sound :)
Jun 26 22:09:00 <snowmoon> is it supposed to lean to the right
Jun 26 22:09:18 <crashanddie> well, not supposed, but I hacked this together in about an hour, so I guess I'll find where this comes from
Jun 26 22:09:42 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: yeah, I just need to activate my Centro :)
Jun 26 22:09:53 <crashanddie> I can make it lean to the left on purpose though... Just don't know why it leans to the right :D
Jun 26 22:09:54 <snowmoon> so is there any up-to-date pymaemo docs?  Maybe turning off auto-caps is documented somewhere?
Jun 26 22:10:07 <crashanddie> lcuk, did you had that problem with SDL ?
Jun 26 22:10:24 <crashanddie> wow
Jun 26 22:10:27 <crashanddie> did you encounter**
Jun 26 22:10:42 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jun 26 22:11:02 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, I still remember the first time I loaded up a website with EDGE. :D
Jun 26 22:11:19 <lcuk> crashanddie, whats actually wrong with it, apart from its photographed in pisa
Jun 26 22:11:44 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: it'll mostly be 1x, but every now and again I'll be able to get EVDO :)
Jun 26 22:11:52 <lcuk> cos that looks more like your algo than anything
Jun 26 22:11:53 <crashanddie> well, maybe one of my algorithms is buggered, I'll look into it
Jun 26 22:12:06 <lcuk> straight lines generally dont drift
Jun 26 22:12:48 <lcuk> topleft is 1 pixel more than bottomleft in each column
Jun 26 22:12:54 <lcuk> or an amount
Jun 26 22:13:58 <lcuk> crashanddie, i was making one of those but for strokes last night :)
Jun 26 22:14:07 <crashanddie> :D
Jun 26 22:14:37 <lcuk> iwe need visualisations for media player.  if the 8x0 is left charging it makes sense to allow fancy effects
Jun 26 22:16:19 <crashanddie> until now, when I wanted fancy effects, I used rhythmbox through an X tunnel
Jun 26 22:16:26 <crashanddie> not great
Jun 26 22:16:39 <lcuk> heh
Jun 26 22:17:12 <crashanddie> oh, but of course, you don't know anything about the pure awesomeness of X tunnels, do ya :P
Jun 26 22:17:21 <lcuk> your problem should be simple to cure once you take a look at it.   its c++ this time, or are you still in c
Jun 26 22:17:31 <crashanddie> yeah, this is C
Jun 26 22:17:56 <lcuk> have you gone via gstreamer to get at audio
Jun 26 22:18:18 <crashanddie> atm I'm using a very old code I wrote to analyze audio from .wav
Jun 26 22:18:52 <crashanddie> which basically at any given time, gives me a value between 0 and 100 for a given band
Jun 26 22:18:53 <lcuk> get the function right and then work on getting live data into it :D excellent plan
Jun 26 22:21:26 <crashanddie> bleh
Jun 26 22:22:00 <crashanddie> I'm going to spend time on youtube
Jun 26 22:22:07 <crashanddie> my head is killing me, I can't think straight anymore
Jun 26 22:22:41 <crashanddie> I'm like looking at my code, and going "what the, this doesn't do anything", delete the line, compile, test, and then go "oh, well, it served some purpose"
Jun 26 22:23:05 <crashanddie> so I'll leave this on the shelf
Jun 26 22:23:15 <lcuk> heh
Jun 26 22:28:14 <lcuk> hahahaha
Jun 26 22:28:41 <lcuk> ive just got a nokia chain email doofer :D   To receive your free phone all you need to do is send this email out to 8
Jun 26 22:28:41 <lcuk> people (for a free Nokia 6210) or to 20 people (for a free Nokia WAP).
Jun 26 22:47:14 <skibur> hum...
Jun 26 22:47:25 <skibur> diablo out yet?
Jun 26 22:47:55 <forge> Topic
Jun 26 22:57:59 <snowmoon> Any python/maemo developers out there?
Jun 26 23:02:41 <henrique> snowmoon, yes
Jun 26 23:03:10 <snowmoon> do you know how to disable autocaps on an entery field
Jun 26 23:04:43 <henrique> sorry, I didn't understand you
Jun 26 23:04:48 <henrique> it is about python, btw?
Jun 26 23:05:59 <pekuja> I think he means he wants to disable autocaps on an entry field in his Python application
Jun 26 23:06:06 <snowmoon> correct
Jun 26 23:08:52 <henrique> ah, not sure... but it seems strange have a property for this
Jun 26 23:11:14 <snowmoon> thanks anyways, I've been looking for days to try and find the incantation
Jun 26 23:11:45 <GeneralAntilles> Try the list?
Jun 26 23:12:18 <henrique> yes, or post the code somewhere...
Jun 26 23:12:33 <snowmoon> what list?
Jun 26 23:13:01 <GAN800> maemo-developers
Jun 26 23:13:57 <snowmoon> I've found this, self.entry_id.set_property('autocap', False) but I get GtkEntry does not have property autocap
Jun 26 23:14:23 <henrique> makes sense heh
Jun 26 23:15:40 <henrique> snowmoon, did you try to write a small test case?
Jun 26 23:16:03 <snowmoon> I've got a whole app and I'm trying to add the functionality
Jun 26 23:18:02 <snowmoon> It works fine under linux, but hildon tries to be smart and it's screwing with it
Jun 26 23:20:12 <snowmoon> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-libs/hildon-widgets/hildon-input-mode-hint.h  is the hildon lib, but no equivalent in pythong
Jun 26 23:22:45 <henrique> hmmm
Jun 26 23:22:50 <henrique> so there is the property
Jun 26 23:27:16 <kkrusty> py thong
Jun 26 23:29:36 <TPC> hello
Jun 26 23:29:38 <snowmoon-work> I have also found references to gtk_entry_set_autocap , but entry.set_autocap(False) also does not work
Jun 26 23:29:40 <kkrusty> apologies for thinking aloud
Jun 26 23:29:46 <TPC> I just updated to diablo, and now I can't enable/disable status bar icons anymore
Jun 26 23:30:07 * sinak gn ppl
Jun 26 23:30:07 <TPC> is this a known bug, or is it a problem with my setup?
Jun 26 23:31:36 <kkrusty> TPC: I recall seeing a control panel widget for that
Jun 26 23:31:54 <TPC> kkrusty, yes, thats where I'm trying to do it
Jun 26 23:32:56 <GAN800> TPC, tried restarting?
Jun 26 23:33:05 <kkrusty> TPC: works here
Jun 26 23:33:21 <kkrusty> TPC: do you see them all greyed out?
Jun 26 23:33:56 <TPC> kkrusty, nope
Jun 26 23:33:57 <TPC> GAN800, yes
Jun 26 23:34:17 <TPC> I can move them around like normal, there are just no boxes to enable/disable them
Jun 26 23:34:53 <TPC> I installed the thing that does brightness/volume in one icon so I want to disable those icons
Jun 26 23:35:06 <kkrusty> TPC: well thats different. I can see checkboxes and some of them are greyed out
Jun 26 23:35:23 <TPC> there are no check boxes at all here
Jun 26 23:36:49 <kkrusty> well Im going to be no help in that case
Jun 26 23:37:27 <kkrusty> infact its way past my bed time so good night all
Jun 26 23:38:10 <GAN800> I think I've had that happen to me in the past, but I don't recall what fixed it.
Jun 26 23:38:39 <GAN800> Reflashing is one sure way.
Jun 26 23:39:31 <TPC> well, I just spent two hours setting things up exactly the way I like it, would prefer not to have to do it again :/
Jun 26 23:45:41 <TPC> I guess I'll just have to do it the ugly way and move out the ones I don't want from /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/
Jun 27 00:11:11 <Tenkawa> evening all
Jun 27 00:11:25 <Tenkawa> well so far so good on diablo sdk testing
Jun 27 00:11:40 <Tenkawa> now I just need to decide which apps I want to use that bad
Jun 27 00:11:41 <Tenkawa> heheh
Jun 27 00:11:54 <rm_you> hrm I haven't installed the new SDK yet...
Jun 27 00:12:01 <rm_you> I should probably get around to doing that
Jun 27 00:12:05 <Tenkawa> rm_you: heheh
Jun 27 00:12:23 <rm_you> still just compiling on the old chinook scratchbox >_>
Jun 27 00:12:26 <Tenkawa> nod
Jun 27 00:12:47 <GAN800> rm_you, what's the status with the autobuilder and adv-backlight?
Jun 27 00:13:05 <Tenkawa> I was impressed enough with diablo's performance increase on my n800 that I've re-taken an interest in building my own apps for it again
Jun 27 00:13:18 <rm_you> GAN800: it works nicely?\
Jun 27 00:13:20 <Tenkawa> we'll see how much materializes
Jun 27 00:13:46 <Tenkawa> I start a new job in a week so not sure what time holds
Jun 27 00:13:48 <GAN800> Oh? It still says build failed on the status page.
Jun 27 00:14:13 <rm_you> GAN800: ??
Jun 27 00:14:21 <rm_you> GAN800: it worked when i did it for extras-devel
Jun 27 00:14:29 <rm_you> for chinook
Jun 27 00:14:34 <Tenkawa> uggh we are about to get slammed with rain again for the second night in a row
Jun 27 00:14:35 <Tenkawa> uggh
Jun 27 00:14:48 <Tenkawa> at least its not 1 am like last night
Jun 27 00:15:16 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php
Jun 27 00:15:20 <Tenkawa> although I just noticed aother cell that will hit overnight..
Jun 27 00:15:28 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-diablo-armel-extras/logs/advanced-backlight_0.9-2.dsc.sbdmock.build.log-FAILED
Jun 27 00:15:42 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 27 00:16:47 <rm_you> yeah thats 0.9-2
Jun 27 00:16:58 <rm_you> why did it try to build that version?
Jun 27 00:17:02 <rm_you> where is it getting the source from?
Jun 27 00:17:58 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jun 27 00:18:30 <GeneralAntilles> The one you uploaded to Chinook Extras, I guess?
Jun 27 00:19:04 <rm_you> bleh
Jun 27 00:19:06 <rm_you> yeah thats old
Jun 27 00:19:27 <rm_you> gotta install the newe scratchbox >_>
Jun 27 00:20:19 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jun 27 00:20:33 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php upload the new sources there, I guess.
Jun 27 00:25:32 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody with an N810 want to reproduce this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3319
Jun 27 00:27:21 <NullM0dem> GeneralAntilles: ill give it a try when i get home
Jun 27 00:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks!
Jun 27 00:28:14 <NullM0dem> what version of 2008? i still have not updated.
Jun 27 00:28:46 <GeneralAntilles> Says it happens in both Chinook and Diablo.
Jun 27 00:28:48 <NullM0dem> I should be updating when i get home so if its pre diablo i will test as well as after the upgrade..
Jun 27 00:29:14 <GeneralAntilles> Works as it should on my N800 with Diablo and the vkb.
Jun 27 00:30:22 <crashanddie> Pretty good post: http://metaphorcrash.blogspot.com/
Jun 27 00:30:34 <crashanddie> It is word reading
Jun 27 00:30:54 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, you generally read words. :P
Jun 27 00:31:40 <crashanddie> bleh
Jun 27 00:31:45 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, bug reproduced
Jun 27 00:31:51 <crashanddie> I get the search dialog
Jun 27 00:33:11 <andre___> yay, fresh new boogs for me tomorrow morning :-)
Jun 27 00:33:13 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/advanced-backlight_0.9b-2/
Jun 27 00:34:11 <lcuk> gnite
Jun 27 00:34:16 <crashanddie> yeah
Jun 27 00:34:19 <crashanddie> peace, I'm out too
Jun 27 00:34:22 <crashanddie> lcuk, 'night
Jun 27 00:34:24 <rm_you> night lcuk
Jun 27 00:39:39 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, thanks, confirming.
Jun 27 00:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome, rm_you.
Jun 27 00:41:00 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, was it promoted?
Jun 27 00:47:12 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: I do not appear to have access to the promotion interface
Jun 27 00:52:30 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have a Chinook and Diablo install handy to do a comparison for this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3313
Jun 27 00:52:40 <GeneralAntilles> Or happen to remember the old behavior
Jun 27 01:36:30 <esworp> so..  is there a better rss reader applet than the included one?
Jun 27 01:38:52 <mouser> I think there is.  Let me see if I can find it.
Jun 27 01:41:21 <mouser> Looks like there is a plugin for claws-mail that handles RSS...
Jun 27 01:42:04 <GeneralAntilles> RSS reader is open so, uh, if you want to fix it up. ;)
Jun 27 01:46:17 <mouser> Is there any hardware reason on the tablet streaming video doesn't run as well as downloaded video ?
Jun 27 01:46:44 <GeneralAntilles> CPU usage
Jun 27 01:46:50 <GeneralAntilles> Network usage has overhead
Jun 27 01:47:52 <mouser> That much?
Jun 27 01:47:58 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't take much.
Jun 27 01:48:20 <GeneralAntilles> You're running right at the edge for most stuff anyway
Jun 27 01:48:39 <GeneralAntilles> Try scping and watch top for a mediocre example
Jun 27 01:56:06 <mouser> Sorry, "scping?"  That's an SSH thing, right?
Jun 27 01:56:58 <orakle> yes
Jun 27 01:58:44 <chibiAcyd> it's very ominous out here, the sky is  covered in smoke and ash
Jun 27 01:59:18 <GeneralAntilles> chibiAcyd, you really are in hell, aren't you?
Jun 27 02:01:09 <chibiAcyd> could be
Jun 27 02:01:24 <chibiAcyd> i think arizona is code for hell
Jun 27 02:14:03 <esworp> has anyone else had problems with diabloÅ› modest?
Jun 27 02:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> There are a number of bugs.
Jun 27 02:16:35 <esworp> it just plain doesn=t work for me.
Jun 27 02:16:48 <GeneralAntilles> Well, what are you using it with?
Jun 27 02:16:52 <GeneralAntilles> How big is your inbox?
Jun 27 02:17:34 <esworp> im using it with a comcastg and a gmail acct.
Jun 27 02:17:46 <esworp> inbox approaches prolly 2thousand.
Jun 27 02:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> Should be fine.
Jun 27 02:18:06 <GeneralAntilles> What does "it just plain doesn't work" actually mean?
Jun 27 02:18:31 <esworp> you hit the ćheck email´button.... and nothing happens.
Jun 27 02:18:36 <esworp> :p
Jun 27 02:18:44 <esworp> dun broke n shit.
Jun 27 02:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> Are your accounts properly set up?
Jun 27 02:19:03 <GeneralAntilles> Does it show the status bar?
Jun 27 02:19:05 <esworp> yup
Jun 27 02:19:35 <esworp> it down loded about 1700 of the messages, and then I selected all and deleted them..
Jun 27 02:19:46 <esworp> and now i get no reaction out of checking
Jun 27 02:19:47 <GeneralAntilles> lol. . . .
Jun 27 02:20:33 <esworp> lol?  my palm didnt complain at that, and itÅ› a total turd.. i figured the n800 wouldnt mind 1700 mesdsdage headers.
Jun 27 02:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> Why'd you delete them?
Jun 27 02:21:10 <esworp> i didnt want them.
Jun 27 02:21:50 <esworp> the gmail accnt has LOTS of unreads.. i have have them forwarded to another acct, so the actual unread count is high.
Jun 27 02:22:20 <GeneralAntilles> It probably didn't like the delete action
Jun 27 02:22:31 <GeneralAntilles> Though I'm not familiar enough with tinymail to really say what might've happened
Jun 27 02:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> have you tried letting it sit for a while?
Jun 27 02:22:47 <GeneralAntilles> Or maybe deleting the accounts and setting them up again
Jun 27 02:22:56 <esworp> yeah.. overnight.
Jun 27 02:23:21 <esworp> iĺl try that again.
Jun 27 02:31:06 <esworp> itÅ› official..
Jun 27 02:31:10 <esworp> modest is gayballs.
Jun 27 02:31:16 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine here.
Jun 27 02:31:17 * GeneralAntilles shrugs.
Jun 27 02:31:35 <GeneralAntilles> Try purging all Modest settings and starting from scratch/
Jun 27 02:31:55 <snowmoon> modest crashed about half a dozen times today at random points
Jun 27 02:32:05 <snowmoon> on a fresh install
Jun 27 02:32:11 <snowmoon> with no restoration
Jun 27 02:32:12 <summatusmentis> mine's been crashing too... seems to be when there's not net connection
Jun 27 02:32:27 <esworp> setting up two accounts.. only one shows up in the folder view..gayballsa
Jun 27 02:32:40 <snowmoon> that would explain some of my crashes
Jun 27 02:33:09 <esworp> my install just doesnt reflect whatś´on my servers.
Jun 27 02:33:43 <GeneralAntilles> Alright-y then
Jun 27 02:33:48 * GeneralAntilles moves on to something more useful.
Jun 27 02:34:22 <esworp> im just going back to claws
Jun 27 02:34:25 <esworp> er claws
Jun 27 02:46:39 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody happen to recall the message that was sent to one of the maemo lists about the maemo.org servers going down for maintenance?
Jun 27 02:53:41 <doc|home> modest = pants
Jun 27 02:54:07 <doc|home> esworp: there's a menu based way to see the other server
Jun 27 02:54:22 <doc|home> I forget now exactly howand my battery is dead
Jun 27 02:54:38 <esworp> yup.  still sorta lame, though.
Jun 27 02:54:54 <doc|home> indeed
Jun 27 02:58:03 <rm_you> yeah i hafta use claws too
Jun 27 02:58:07 <rm_you> i like it better anyway
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