**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 29 02:59:56 2008 Jun 29 02:59:59 and it's a lot easier to have no MX on bugs.maemo.org than it is to deal w/ an MX which has real accounts and dozens of fakes Jun 29 03:00:39 %component%@%product%.bugs.maemo.org (for all the garage imports) Jun 29 03:00:51 right... Jun 29 03:01:03 Actually, some internal discussions... Jun 29 03:01:07 just something to fix nowish when you do the migration :) Jun 29 03:01:13 The GNOME style is what I want. Jun 29 03:01:22 which is what? Jun 29 03:01:28 Why should the domain part exist at all? Jun 29 03:01:30 sorry, i only visit bgo on rare occasions Jun 29 03:01:37 @gnome.bugs Jun 29 03:01:42 @maemo.bugs Jun 29 03:01:45 oh, i'd prefer %component%@%product%.bugs Jun 29 03:01:50 It's an alias to *watch*. Jun 29 03:01:55 which is what we use @ bmo Jun 29 03:02:18 It should not direct to any valid domain with an MX. Jun 29 03:02:20 the nice part about the @ part is it makes for easy user match searching Jun 29 03:02:47 yeah, it doesn't @ bmo (bmo is bugzilla.mozilla.org accept when explicitly written as bugs-maemo) Jun 29 03:03:12 and it doesn't at bgo Jun 29 03:03:20 there was even an explanation for the people who complain which is that "foo.bar" is not an FQDN unless written "foo.bar." Jun 29 03:03:32 so as far as the bugzilla is concerned, it's relative to some private host :) Jun 29 03:03:33 Changing this is somewhere on my list... Jun 29 03:03:40 ok, good :) Jun 29 03:04:03 oh, one warning Jun 29 03:04:13 the clever folks @ ICANN have decided to break DNS Jun 29 03:04:21 so someone probably needs to go register bugs. Jun 29 03:05:16 @maemo.bugs.i-am-an-idiot-if-i-register-this Jun 29 03:05:20 Problem solved. :) Jun 29 03:05:47 heh Jun 29 03:08:25 * GeneralAntilles wants the mediawiki karma plugin already. Jun 29 03:08:46 hrmm, google satellite apparently has blocked my ip from dl'ing to much via mapper Jun 29 03:08:56 any suggestion other than changing ip? Jun 29 03:11:13 hehe Jun 29 03:11:24 mysc: I found the same 2 days ago... Jun 29 03:11:40 I usually do my downloads for Maemo Mapper in 20-40MB batches. Jun 29 03:11:53 I still hope they'll unblock me eventually. Jun 29 03:12:06 stop acting like a bot :) Jun 29 03:12:15 or start leaching someone else's wifi :) Jun 29 03:12:30 Hey, the pre-cache was set to 5 by accident. :) Jun 29 03:12:32 (this is *NOT* legal advice...) Jun 29 03:14:09 heh Jun 29 03:14:34 i guess i'll have to use someone else's wifi Jun 29 03:14:43 mysc, send Google an angry letter. :P Jun 29 03:14:52 mysc: dynamic IP with regular ISP? Jun 29 03:14:57 GeneralAntilles: for violating their TOS? Jun 29 03:15:02 Cycle the cable modem! Jun 29 03:15:05 timelyx, ;) Jun 29 03:15:07 good luck w/ that Jun 29 03:18:13 well, i'll just cycle my ip but then dl en-force via leeched wifi Jun 29 03:21:58 * guenther tips his hat Jun 29 03:22:01 night folks Jun 29 03:22:42 * timelyx sighs Jun 29 03:22:51 * timelyx goes to read planet debian Jun 29 03:23:19 people don't really understand what CSS is or what it can do Jun 29 03:23:42 phear the cascading!! Jun 29 03:23:45 Aint that the truth. Jun 29 03:23:49 LOOK OUT BELOW Jun 29 03:24:36 * GeneralAntilles hits Proteous in the head with jacob's ladder. Jun 29 03:24:55 s/with/with a/ Jun 29 03:25:13 just beware of resonance failures Jun 29 03:27:00 heh Jun 29 03:31:48 anyone have osso-statusbar-cpu working with Diablo? Jun 29 03:32:25 inz updated it a little while ago Jun 29 03:32:31 dunno if it ever made it to the repo Jun 29 03:34:04 Anybody able to explain this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3338 Jun 29 03:34:38 ack, he cloned it? Jun 29 03:34:51 gah Jun 29 03:35:23 please dupe it w/ a big lecture Jun 29 03:35:40 and then talk w/ the openismus people about removing cloning support for people w/o editbugs Jun 29 03:35:44 cloning should be used rarely if ever Jun 29 03:35:52 it's clearly way too accessible Jun 29 03:36:22 btw, if you like (or don't) reading bugs and have followed the planet.debian spam, you might enjoy https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404661#c51 Jun 29 03:38:35 Kill me. <_< Jun 29 03:39:20 Personally, I'd make it more offensive for the sake of spite. Jun 29 03:43:14 * timelyx sighs Jun 29 03:43:25 rm -rf /Users/debian/ Jun 29 03:43:42 http://www.grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/firefox_sucks_really Jun 29 03:47:48 lol... Jun 29 03:48:20 * rm_you just had iceweasel crash 3 times within 10 minutes on different sites, many of which he frequented before without trouble Jun 29 03:49:00 wow, a good article http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/06/27/kernel-security-vs-uptime/ Jun 29 03:49:15 rm_you: use firefox3 (official) and load about:crashes Jun 29 03:51:05 timelyx: is that anywhere in any debian repo? or do i just have to go get the deb myself? Jun 29 03:52:38 don't get a deb Jun 29 03:52:42 the debs don't give you crash reporting Jun 29 03:52:48 just get the firefox tarball from mozilla.org Jun 29 03:52:53 extract it to ~/ Jun 29 04:04:12 this is why i just use opera >_> Jun 29 04:04:23 Ha Jun 29 04:06:10 * rm_you likes opera Jun 29 04:06:15 * rm_you wants opera back on his n800 Jun 29 04:06:18 is there a way to enter chinese, by drawing the characters on the screen? I've seen cell phones that have that ability, and it would be really cool if the n800 can do it as well Jun 29 04:06:23 Bleh Jun 29 04:06:27 Opera was the suck. Jun 29 04:06:36 Good riddance to bad rubbish. Jun 29 04:06:39 Opera was the awesome. :( Jun 29 04:06:51 Lies. Jun 29 04:06:56 No, you! Jun 29 04:06:57 >_< Jun 29 04:06:58 Didn't work anywhere. Jun 29 04:08:58 * GeneralAntilles is watching the Blues Brothers again. Jun 29 04:08:58 wow, it loaded my iceweasel profile :P Jun 29 04:09:06 original, or 2000? :P Jun 29 04:09:24 Original. . . . Jun 29 04:12:16 rm_you: you're welcome to make a contract w/ opera for opera for n800 Jun 29 04:12:17 i' Jun 29 04:12:23 i'm sure they'll gladly take your money Jun 29 04:12:25 lol Jun 29 04:12:26 Hehe Jun 29 04:12:37 WormFood: afaik diablo ships w/ a chinese ime Jun 29 04:12:50 and yes, it's a stroke based onscreen ime Jun 29 04:12:54 i'm sure I could hack it in from the 2007 firmware images <_< Jun 29 04:12:58 the feature has actually been available internally since os2005 Jun 29 04:13:08 timelyx: How about Japanese? Jun 29 04:13:18 rm_you, somebody already has. Jun 29 04:13:21 derf: i have no idea what shipped Jun 29 04:13:31 but in theory there's no reason only one should work :) Jun 29 04:13:32 timelyx, but does it allow you to draw the characters? Jun 29 04:13:39 as opposed to what? Jun 29 04:13:42 it's stroke based Jun 29 04:13:48 you can't draw pixels Jun 29 04:13:49 I know I could install a pinyin input on the older ones Jun 29 04:14:06 chinese has more different ways to input than any other language Jun 29 04:14:17 the most common input methods are wubi and pinyin Jun 29 04:14:34 afaiu you make a number of strokes and when you're done it figures out which character you wanted based on what you drew Jun 29 04:14:36 I personally use pinyin, but I'm learning wubi to type the characters I don't know how to spell Jun 29 04:14:39 and it's a match for approximately what you drew Jun 29 04:14:45 Is this something Makoto Sugano was working on? Jun 29 04:14:49 cool, I'll have to check it out Jun 29 04:14:57 I.e., is it related to maemocjk at all? Jun 29 04:15:01 sorry, i'm a browser dev, i've used a number of different methods Jun 29 04:15:07 but i don't memorize their names Jun 29 04:15:15 nor do i memorize which ones we worked on internally Jun 29 04:15:22 because to me they're all just pretty little pictures Jun 29 04:15:36 and more chances to try and crash thigns Jun 29 04:15:44 * timelyx has crashes a number of IMEs :) Jun 29 04:15:54 s/gns/ngs/;s/hes/hed/ Jun 29 04:16:00 eat that infobot Jun 29 04:16:22 中文 is easy to type ;) Jun 29 04:16:35 ?? Jun 29 04:16:40 timelyx, it doesn't do /me's. ;) Jun 29 04:16:41 GeneralAntilles: who, and where can I get it :P Jun 29 04:16:51 if the N800/810 wasn't so hard to get into china, I'm sure they would be able to sell them in China Jun 29 04:17:15 rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19872 Jun 29 04:17:32 GeneralAntilles: then it should have fixed the previous line :) Jun 29 04:17:32 I don't think you properly remember just how much Opera sucked, though. Jun 29 04:18:37 Anyway, the nice thing about NOT providing a CJK-IME was that there was one I could actually build from sources available. Jun 29 04:19:14 Which meant I could do things like add SKK input to it. Jun 29 04:19:20 derf: *shrug* i have the diablo sources on swift, they should be on my mxr.maemo.org tomorrow if i can find a way to do the rsync Jun 29 04:22:22 no deb there :( sad Jun 29 04:24:52 awesome, so i can ssh into my tablet but have no idea where it is Jun 29 04:24:55 >_< Jun 29 04:25:06 * GeneralAntilles has done that. Jun 29 04:25:09 It was under my bed. Jun 29 04:25:19 i hope i have the volume turned up decently... Jun 29 04:25:27 * rm_you plays some techno with mplayer Jun 29 04:26:13 Ahaha Jun 29 04:26:21 found it :P Jun 29 04:26:27 GeneralAntilles: you said you play Wesnoth? Jun 29 04:26:59 Yeah Jun 29 04:27:14 how <_< Jun 29 04:27:19 Install it Jun 29 04:27:20 Play Jun 29 04:27:21 it seems unplayable without a right click Jun 29 04:27:28 Meh, it's a little slow Jun 29 04:27:33 But it's a strategy game Jun 29 04:27:36 and very annoying without a keyboard Jun 29 04:27:37 "A little" Jun 29 04:27:37 ... Jun 29 04:27:41 It's painful. Jun 29 04:27:48 i have yet to find a way to do the things the tutorial tells me to do Jun 29 04:27:50 Depends on perspective, I guess. Jun 29 04:27:51 since i can't right click Jun 29 04:27:57 Tap the menu? Jun 29 04:28:06 ? Jun 29 04:28:07 I believe it describes the alternative method in the tutorial Jun 29 04:28:12 it didn't Jun 29 04:28:23 and i couldn't undo because I didnt have my keyboard with me Jun 29 04:28:28 Use the menu Jun 29 04:28:34 though i fixed that by rebinding u to the esc button Jun 29 04:28:53 but how do you right click on a square with the menu? Jun 29 04:28:53 http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.28:shortcomings-of-the-nokia-e51/ Jun 29 04:29:04 ^ would anyone risk offering that guy an n810? Jun 29 04:29:35 rm_you: i generally send bt objects to my devices when i can't find them :) Jun 29 04:31:07 hrmm MM crashed and rebooted my nit Jun 29 04:32:12 Odd Jun 29 04:32:28 timelyx: lol Jun 29 04:32:37 fortuntely i know how to change volume on command line :P Jun 29 04:32:56 it is weird that the nit rebooted, aye? Jun 29 04:33:18 anyone here know how to use aircrack-ng? :P just installed, want to test it on some of the networks here Jun 29 04:33:38 mysc, I've never seen Maemo Mapper cause a reboot. Jun 29 04:33:47 GeneralAntilles: I have. Jun 29 04:33:54 It used to crash all the time when I accidently turned off my BT GPS before disconnecting Jun 29 04:33:56 rm_you: i don't have commandlines on all of my phones Jun 29 04:33:57 but no reboots Jun 29 04:34:00 so bt objects work nicely Jun 29 04:34:03 and my mac can send them Jun 29 04:34:09 It used to happen _a lot_ before it switched to the database for maps. Jun 29 04:34:16 'course, on average my devices are all muted, but hey, it's worth a try Jun 29 04:34:27 I mostly blame it on crappy mmc drivers. Jun 29 04:35:10 I've seen MAemo Mapper cause a reboot on an n810. Jun 29 04:35:24 * timelyx still remembers a pdf reader causing a 770 to reboot Jun 29 04:36:03 hrmmm, it shouldn't cause a reboot though, more like an app crash, but a system crash? Jun 29 04:36:28 Pissed off a watchdog Jun 29 04:36:36 timelyx: what phone you have? :P you need to get putty Jun 29 04:38:27 sw_rst thats in the boot reason, doesn't seem like a wd Jun 29 04:40:30 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/san-francisco-to-vote-on-naming-sewer-after-george-bush-855433.html Jun 29 04:40:45 rm_you: 9300i, n81 8gb, e61i, and a bunch of older ones Jun 29 04:40:53 but i don't think i can run sshd on them Jun 29 04:41:04 i do run putty on the ones i named Jun 29 04:41:10 but it doesn't help when i can't find the phone :) Jun 29 04:41:14 GA, seems like /usr/bin/bme_RX-34 was to blame, any ideas/ Jun 29 04:41:28 ah you were talking about losing phones :P right. <_< Jun 29 04:41:40 bme is the battery management entity. Jun 29 04:43:27 hrmm, well i have 19 sw_rst's 1 entry in lg_reset and 6 in lg_restart Jun 29 04:46:12 aww :( Jun 29 04:46:18 no aircrack-ng for me Jun 29 04:47:51 WOW Jun 29 04:48:06 GA i might have discovered a bug, seems like the batt had just finished charging when this happens. so battery full + MM + venus with saturn ascending = reboot Jun 29 04:48:16 just installed wireless-tools on my desktop... ran iwconfig... apparently i have been connected to some guy's network since i turned on my machine Jun 29 04:48:22 so like, the last 10 days Jun 29 04:48:31 Ha Jun 29 04:49:06 heh. Jun 29 04:49:30 A friend of mine once set up his neighbor's linksys router instead of his own. Jun 29 04:49:48 lol Jun 29 04:49:48 so, anyone here remember getting dialogs from microb asking about insecure form submits? Jun 29 04:49:58 GeneralAntilles: nice Jun 29 04:49:59 Yes Jun 29 04:49:59 There have been a lot of stories like that, GeneralAntillesn Jun 29 04:50:14 Huh, howd that n get in there Jun 29 04:50:20 Magic! Jun 29 04:50:34 Mmm Jun 29 04:50:37 I love magic. Jun 29 04:50:44 lol Jun 29 04:50:57 Navi: you typed "GeneralA" and hit tab, while still typing the n Jun 29 04:50:58 :P Jun 29 04:51:10 Ooh, nice Jun 29 04:51:17 rm_you wins the prize Jun 29 04:51:28 Navi's hand in marriage? Jun 29 04:51:29 Well Jun 29 04:52:01 timelyx, I don't think I've seen the insecure form bug in Diablo. Jun 29 04:52:03 If I were tab completing, Id hit tab at the first n Jun 29 04:53:05 wanna try to hit it sooner? Jun 29 04:53:23 http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c#1689 has the block of bad code Jun 29 04:53:29 well folks, don't ever reach 100% batt while dl'ing maps of madagascar from google Jun 29 04:54:44 1699 if (!gtk_moz_embed_common_get_pref(G_TYPE_BOOLEAN, "plugins.flashhack", &bfval)) Jun 29 04:54:51 controls the value of 'bfval' Jun 29 04:56:00 try setting plugins.flashhack to true Jun 29 04:56:14 if you restart, bad things should happen :) Jun 29 04:56:57 * timelyx sighs Jun 29 04:57:04 the entire block of code should really be delated Jun 29 04:57:08 it's merely a collection of bugs Jun 29 04:58:47 my quick read of http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/search?string=plugins.flashhack is that if you ever run out of memory w/o crashing and then quit Jun 29 04:58:50 you're fsck for a session Jun 29 05:14:18 crap Jun 29 05:14:27 diablo update killed my wayfinder nav key Jun 29 05:14:35 * benh emails them Jun 29 05:14:55 it won't accept the key anymore, I probably should have "deactivated" it before the update... Jun 29 05:26:31 Flash has been bringing my computer to a screeching halt for 30 seconds everytime I hit a page with it. Turned it off and it's like a whole new internet. . . . Jun 29 05:27:22 Flash sucked when I used to use it in Linux. Though using it with the pulseaudio plugin made matters worse :/ Jun 29 05:27:43 benh: yeah, you should have, sorry about that :( Jun 29 05:28:15 timelyx: bah, I suppose/hope wayfinder support will fix that up Jun 29 05:28:23 I don't need the nav. this week-end Jun 29 05:28:33 they should, you're a paying customer Jun 29 05:28:39 yup Jun 29 05:29:29 so Diablo didn't grow some Bluetooth PAN support nicely integrated in the GUI... Jun 29 05:29:43 looks like I should really finish adding those GUI bits to the garage projects Jun 29 05:29:51 project Jun 29 05:42:27 GeneralAntilles: I just don't even install Flash these days. Jun 29 05:42:30 Makes the web much nicer. Jun 29 05:43:53 hrm, why the hell would I have to disable the vdso to use diablo sdk ? Jun 29 05:43:59 some issue with the emulator ? Jun 29 05:46:52 i does free 42 work Jun 29 06:23:57 anybody selling his n800? Jun 29 06:24:25 Whose N800? :P Jun 29 06:25:03 heh Jun 29 06:25:46 it goes on amazon.com on $219 but the shipment to europe/me is like $50 sheesh Jun 29 06:25:47 liri, check the itT sales forum. Jun 29 06:26:07 It's discontinued now, so you may have a little trouble getting it. Jun 29 06:27:50 whats the address for the forum? Jun 29 06:28:12 I swear down, this is the time I ever compile any form of mozilla/firefox etc again. This shit's meant to be micro and it's taking me years to compile >.< Jun 29 06:28:25 s/time/last time/ Jun 29 06:28:25 qwerty12 meant: I swear down, this is the last time I ever compile any form of mozilla/firefox etc again. This shit's meant to be micro and it's taking me years to compile >.< Jun 29 06:28:39 internettablettalk.com Jun 29 06:28:56 thanks Jun 29 06:29:42 hrm weirdo, map/wayfinder cannot open the gps anymore Jun 29 06:29:49 * benh wonders if that's related to the new agps thingy Jun 29 06:30:18 it doesn't give an error, just "no gps connection" Jun 29 06:30:23 * benh kicks it Jun 29 06:31:25 ah, that must have worked :-) Jun 29 06:33:39 I wish I could get freemap.co.il to work on the n810 Jun 29 06:34:05 it is based on Roadmap Jun 29 06:34:31 If you mean the program, roadmap is available for maemo too. Jun 29 06:36:13 isn't it in beta or something? Jun 29 06:37:40 No idea, garage says beta/production - stable Jun 29 06:42:26 q12, does it reboot your boxen like mm? :> Jun 29 06:42:52 mysc, compiling microb? Jun 29 06:43:06 http://groups.google.com/group/fbreader/browse_thread/thread/d62989d01a143d19# Jun 29 06:44:09 nope, just having fun watching mm reboot my box Jun 29 06:44:20 cheers all, gotta run. Jun 29 06:44:39 qwerty12, you compile it yet? :P Jun 29 06:44:58 qwerty12, pfft Jun 29 06:45:07 Layout engines are very complex things Jun 29 06:45:29 you should have expected it Jun 29 06:45:41 GeneralAntilles, Nope. Some find string failed. I'm dpkg-buildpackaging again to see what error and edit the rules file when I see it. Jun 29 06:46:48 Navi, I expected something that built straight. I've already had to make changes because it wants to patch a file that doesn't exist and 3 patches that don't apply >.< Jun 29 06:47:28 It's to be expected Jun 29 06:47:44 they're in the unstable phase at the moment Jun 29 06:47:58 or so I remember Jun 29 06:48:25 Got any pointers on: "cp: cannot stat `build-tree/obj-edyn-armel-sb-buildmicrob2/dist/bin/Test*Embed': No such file or directory Jun 29 06:48:26 ". It sounds like an expression to me so I have no idea why scratchbox is being a knob. Jun 29 06:49:03 Oh wait, I know why. Jun 29 06:49:36 That's one of the patches I removed because it didn't apply and I'm a lazy ass shit to fix it. Jun 29 06:55:08 Re the microb-gtkmozembed problem, I'm just gonna steal the control file from libgtkmozembed. Why? Nokia do like to let us end-users who compile stuff have different names from official. And as Diablo is about SSU, I don't want the apt or osso-software-version stuff messing up. Jun 29 07:07:56 Done. Dunno if this build will hold though, I need to make some modifications to the debianisation and I'll test it out. Jun 29 07:14:00 Navi, Is microb-xulrunner any useful? Jun 29 07:21:13 qwerty12: i didn't realize i had the crash reporter in my repo, but i'm glad it was helpful Jun 29 07:21:31 qwerty12, it's as useful as you make it Jun 29 07:22:12 an obscure answer like that only means that I can't think of anything to do with it Jun 29 07:22:12 timelyx, Heh, thanks for it. Jun 29 07:22:36 Navi, Heh, I was gonna say it was a bit cryptic :p. I don't think xulrunner is needed anyway :/ Jun 29 07:22:40 (for the tablets) Jun 29 07:23:13 you could use it to host fennec or chatzilla Jun 29 07:23:18 or dozens of other apps Jun 29 07:23:20 * timelyx shrugs Jun 29 07:23:44 yeah, but I'm not a fan of those xulrunner apps to begin with Jun 29 07:26:34 heck, xulrunner should be able to host normal firefox too :) Jun 29 07:28:00 :P Jun 29 07:28:20 Don't think I'll be able to share this one. For some reason, microb-gtkmozembed_20080616-17_armel.deb has nothing inside it. Jun 29 07:29:58 Meh, I'll just make a hybrid. Don't think that makes this ready for sharing. Jun 29 07:30:10 * qwerty12 = most dodgy debian packager ever Jun 29 07:31:42 i wish i had me some stable internets so i could download the sdk Jun 29 07:32:27 acydlord: what do you mean by sdk? Jun 29 07:32:39 because i was able to download what i think is the sdk using apt Jun 29 07:32:43 and that's fairly fault tolerant Jun 29 07:33:06 by sdk i mean the full maemo mess Jun 29 07:33:35 i'm borrowing internet, so its not very stable and the speeds are no good Jun 29 07:33:50 if it isn't open, i don't want it :) Jun 29 07:35:43 i'm going to find out which neighbor i'm borrowing internet from and buy them a new router Jun 29 07:36:09 heh Jun 29 07:36:15 good plan Jun 29 07:36:34 indeed, i mean i've been stealing their internet for one, and their router sucks Jun 29 07:36:45 Ha Jun 29 07:37:12 would an AOL CD improve performance? Jun 29 07:37:37 sadly, it quite possibly could Jun 29 07:38:03 Use it to incapacitate your neighbor and then replace their router? Jun 29 07:38:12 i've been downloading the diablo image so i can flash my n810, it's been going on 4 hours now Jun 29 07:38:58 We used to play dodge-the-flying-disc-of-doom with AOL CDs. Jun 29 07:38:59 it could be worse Jun 29 07:39:09 i had a DVD that said it'd take a few days to download Jun 29 07:39:17 i gave up on my corporate network and switched to dsl Jun 29 07:39:21 i could be useing carrier pidgeon protocol? Jun 29 07:39:45 i'm going to call around in a week or so and see if any of the dsl providers will offer me a 12/12 connection Jun 29 07:39:56 hey, i think modern pigeons w/ usb sticks have fairly good bandwidth/range for the buck Jun 29 07:40:23 if necessary, you can use an 8gb microSD card Jun 29 07:40:34 12/12 from DSL? Jun 29 07:40:36 I doubt it Jun 29 07:40:42 i still need to get an 8gb microsd for my n8a0 Jun 29 07:40:45 but i'd recommend a 16gb usb stick if supported by your local PigeonProvider Jun 29 07:40:55 unless someone gets 16 supported Jun 29 07:41:06 "someone"? Jun 29 07:41:11 dsl /CAN/ do up to 15/15 Jun 29 07:41:24 someone as i am too lazy to attempt to hack the kernel Jun 29 07:41:39 and tere is still that whole not being able to download maemo thing Jun 29 07:41:47 16 should already be supported by stock kernel. Jun 29 07:42:04 qwerty12: i'm fairly certain nokia only warrantees 8 Jun 29 07:42:17 and since i know even 1g cards that have died Jun 29 07:42:32 i'm not quite sure i'd risk a new expensive 16g card ;) Jun 29 07:42:32 16GB works fine. Jun 29 07:42:37 32GB will work fine Jun 29 07:42:43 really? cool Jun 29 07:42:52 8GB was probably just what was available to test with. Jun 29 07:42:53 Will 1TB be supported by the kernel? Jun 29 07:42:59 lol Jun 29 07:43:04 GeneralAntilles: pong ;) Jun 29 07:43:17 hi X-Fade Jun 29 07:43:17 SDHC should be able to do 2048GB just fine Jun 29 07:43:23 But I'm not sure if anything needs doing software-side. Jun 29 07:43:36 well shart, i'll have to find a 32gb card Jun 29 07:43:43 2x micro-sd would be great in the N9x0 Jun 29 07:43:46 X-Fade, timelyx already played the "make GA remember what he said 3 days ago in scrollback game today". :P Jun 29 07:43:46 * pupnik crosses fingers Jun 29 07:43:56 pupnik++ Jun 29 07:44:00 Heh, someone will just backport a patch to 2.6.21 and hope Menulaus doesn't burn out with a 1tb card :P Jun 29 07:44:23 GeneralAntilles: Well, I see a ping from you about 9 hours ago, so ;) Jun 29 07:45:47 bah, my beard just hit he itchy stage again Jun 29 07:46:28 lol acydlord. Jun 29 07:46:38 X-Fade, don't recall, probably wasn't important. Jun 29 07:46:44 I do see rm_you pinging you. Jun 29 07:46:56 GeneralAntilles: Great, waste my time ;) Jun 29 07:47:16 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I'm going to pong him tomorrow ;) Jun 29 07:48:06 * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade with a sharpened stick. Jun 29 07:49:34 Ah, I remember now. Can you poke somebody about this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3283 Jun 29 07:56:37 Ah, X-Fade - just the man I need. Jun 29 07:58:02 Ok, I got to leave now, I guess :) Jun 29 07:58:07 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.0/summary.log looks very weird. Jun 29 07:58:32 I was trying to recreate a problem with the armel build (another issue, I think), so resubmitted it last night; and that's all there is. Jun 29 07:59:04 Hah, I installed the microb and it starts and then it closes :/ Jun 29 07:59:44 oops, i forgot to save my settings Jun 29 08:05:36 Jaffa: Yes, that is weird. It looks like the process just stopped. Jun 29 08:05:42 Jaffa: I have no idea why. Jun 29 08:05:46 Hmm. Jun 29 08:06:07 Can I resubmit or do you want the current state to investigate (not that's there much in the publically visible bit) Jun 29 08:06:39 Jaffa: Hmm no, it is still running ;) Jun 29 08:06:44 Errr Jun 29 08:07:01 Jaffa: So, that is definately weird. Jun 29 08:07:09 Perhaps the building process needs a CPU time ulimit Jun 29 08:09:11 Jaffa: I'll ask Ed to look into this. Jun 29 08:09:33 We do have multiple builders, so it isn't blocking others. Jun 29 08:09:43 Ah, cool Jun 29 08:10:34 Presumably, not till tomorrow, tho'? Jun 29 08:10:48 I suppose that gives me a chance to investigate the mud bugs in the package Jun 29 08:11:14 Jaffa: Well, I've mailed him. Don't know if he will be online today. Jun 29 08:11:18 Ta Jun 29 08:24:05 Does pycage work for Nokia? Jun 29 08:24:31 Good morning. Jun 29 08:25:00 X-Fade: remember the porblem i had building a package on the diablo autobuilder (armel package had no file, i386 had them all) ? Jun 29 08:25:37 Do you know if the guy in charge of the auto builder had time to look at it ? (ie should i retry now, or is it not worth it right now) Jun 29 08:46:10 how the fuck do you add url's to the internet radio? o0 Jun 29 08:46:21 nvm Jun 29 08:48:51 jaffa - dr who !!! Jun 29 09:03:56 timelyx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1945#c7 in case you missed my ping last night Jun 29 09:09:27 Damn. Anyone know how to get gstreamer to stream from an rtsp connection? Jun 29 09:09:55 The media player can do it, the internet radio applet does it... gstreamer, it seems, can't Jun 29 09:09:55 or, "how to distinguish you /dev/null pref sink and false constant variables with one character and lose" Jun 29 09:11:59 * sp3000 runs to $random_family_event Jun 29 09:13:03 Hmm. I guess I can use mplayer for it... Jun 29 09:13:51 but that's *ugly* Jun 29 09:17:44 Stick a prettier frontend on it, then. Jun 29 09:20:33 That would be the plan, yes :-) Jun 29 09:20:55 I was just hoping for something a little more integrating than forking and controlling via a pipe :-) Jun 29 09:44:37 ccooke: mplayer has a slave mode Jun 29 09:47:32 Hmm Jun 29 09:47:34 So it does Jun 29 09:47:39 never noticed that before :-) Jun 29 10:26:25 Can't wait for the browser extras to release this: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/extensions/webaddon-useragentswitcher/?root=browser-extras :) Jun 29 10:49:26 Jaffa: one of the most important bugs to squeeze imo is that stopping video on client should stop also transcoding on server. Jun 29 10:49:42 Jaffa: i could check the source too for that one, thouh Jun 29 10:49:49 s/thouh/though Jun 29 11:02:54 hi there Jun 29 11:03:01 has someone already used LD_PRELOAD on maemo ? Jun 29 11:16:16 yes it works Jun 29 11:28:01 macoute: it already should do that Jun 29 11:28:25 lcuk: I know! Jun 29 11:29:30 lcuk: but... but... but... noooooo! Jun 29 11:31:23 bu hu neee whhhh huuu Jun 29 11:33:16 Ah, today's newbie itT PM is already here. Jun 29 11:34:09 Jaffa: version 0.5? Jun 29 11:34:12 GeneralAntilles, nothing wrong with n00bs - even you were one once Jun 29 11:34:16 * GeneralAntilles isn't ready to start in on this yet. http://pastebin.com/d25177bad Jun 29 11:34:54 macoute: since v0.0000001 - it was one of the original features and key design requirements. If it's not doing it for you, then something's b0rked. Jun 29 11:35:01 the url says it all: d25177BAD :) Jun 29 11:35:22 lcuk: it's a little rude for a newbie to PM someone asking for help (assuming that's what it is) Jun 29 11:35:34 Eugh. Jun 29 11:35:38 GeneralAntilles: just ignore it Jun 29 11:35:43 Jaffa: do you need to click twice a file to get it running? Jun 29 11:35:50 yes, especially when they are on a forum which should contain all the answers Jun 29 11:36:06 macoute: in the web UI? no, they're normal links: click once, click "open", watch video Jun 29 11:36:10 by checking logs ive discovered that first click starts the transcoding process and the other one starts playing on the file Jun 29 11:36:23 Jaffa: to me in the web ui i really need to... :/ Jun 29 11:36:48 Copying the URL and pasting it into gmplayer works, too. ;) Jun 29 11:36:59 * GeneralAntilles really needs to figure out the dbus filehandling. Jun 29 11:37:00 for me: click once -> browser seems to be loading forever, click another time -> open -> video loads Jun 29 11:37:05 GeneralAntilles: heh Jun 29 11:37:18 GeneralAntilles, on the pastebin, what happens if i click "report spam" ;) Jun 29 11:37:29 macoute: using what browser and what OS version on the tablet, what Perl/OS version on the server? Jun 29 11:37:31 Don't have a clue, lcuk. Jun 29 11:37:33 GeneralAntilles: how about the performance of gmplayer compared to original player? Jun 29 11:37:44 This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Jun 29 11:37:45 mplayer > Media player Jun 29 11:37:49 It's significantly better. Jun 29 11:38:00 Jaffa: and diablo builtin player+browser Jun 29 11:38:09 GeneralAntilles: faster? Jun 29 11:38:13 Yes Jun 29 11:38:20 ok Jun 29 11:38:24 It'll play a lot more stuff. Jun 29 11:39:06 macoute: OK< I'll try and have a play this afternoon since I've got the same version of Perl/arch and tablet OS. Jun 29 11:39:59 lol . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3340 Jun 29 11:40:06 Jaffa: n810? Jun 29 11:40:52 macoute: yep, but h/w on the tablet side shouldn't really be a factor Jun 29 11:41:12 Jaffa: yep. it shouldnt :) Jun 29 11:44:28 wicked! a "chinook diablo" is a composite rafting paddle Jun 29 11:46:28 nokia told us they wouldn't send us up the creek without a paddle :D Jun 29 11:48:15 is there an actual changelog for chinook->diablo (which was what i was hunting for) Jun 29 11:49:09 There're package version comparisons of the SDK packages, but no actual proper changelog Jun 29 11:49:20 * Jaffa slaps lcuk for asking stoopid questions ;-) Jun 29 11:49:21 Pfft Jun 29 11:49:24 Changelog. Jun 29 11:49:30 * GeneralAntilles seconds the slap. Jun 29 11:50:08 * lcuk blocks the slap and retaliates with a dangerous double intercontinental slap Jun 29 11:50:55 jaffa, where would i find the sdk version log? Jun 29 11:51:12 macoute: one click start just worked for me on stock diablo, clicking "open" when it asked. Jun 29 11:52:31 no fret, found it Jun 29 11:52:54 macoute: hmm, but had an issue playing & stopping a BSG episode. Jun 29 11:53:43 * Jaffa has Sunday lunch to eat, a dishwasher to fix, mud-builder to improve but I'll also try and look at mediaserv with diablo Jun 29 11:53:51 Can I talk anybody into making this not suck yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Maemo_SDK Jun 29 11:54:10 jaffa :) sounds like normal days for me Jun 29 11:54:30 Oh, and Doctor Who to rewatch ;-) Jun 29 11:54:34 last week the washer decided to send a tidal wave across the kitchen Jun 29 11:54:39 heh Jun 29 11:56:27 Jaffa: oki, thanks Jun 29 12:29:04 * aquatix misses canola2 Jun 29 12:29:37 Install it? Jun 29 12:31:19 does the chinook version just work? Jun 29 12:32:20 Just enable Chinook Extras. Jun 29 12:32:26 kk Jun 29 12:32:31 As I've said before, Diablo is 99% compatible with Chinook. Jun 29 12:32:36 i know Jun 29 12:32:50 but as canola2 has several services, i wanted to play safe Jun 29 12:33:08 thanks for hint though :) Jun 29 12:35:06 how about canolas upnp-suppoty? Jun 29 12:35:08 support Jun 29 12:35:21 i see it has a plugin for that, but is it usable? Jun 29 12:35:28 It's fine. Jun 29 12:35:31 Why wouldn't it be? Jun 29 12:35:45 GeneralAntilles: upnp is quite a mess Jun 29 12:36:04 with what servers are you using it? Jun 29 12:36:10 Of course, but the INdT don't tend to release things unless they work pretty well. ;) Jun 29 12:36:20 EyeConnect, here. Jun 29 12:36:27 But others use FUPPES and MediaTomb Jun 29 12:36:31 and some Windows stuff that I don't remember. Jun 29 12:36:35 ok, fuppes is ok Jun 29 12:36:45 does it work with video too? Jun 29 12:36:53 Of course Jun 29 12:37:02 hmm, but iirc fuppes doesnt support transcoding Jun 29 12:37:10 One of them will even transcode for you. Jun 29 12:37:15 MediaTombo, I guess. Jun 29 12:37:18 oh it does Jun 29 12:37:20 fuppes i mean Jun 29 12:37:27 -o Jun 29 12:37:37 it was the only free one that does it Jun 29 12:38:09 for linux Jun 29 12:38:22 some did it only for audio Jun 29 13:51:10 Anybody else had issues with Diablo + N800 + WPA? After update my N800 refuses to connect, the connectivity icon just flashes for a long time.. Without wpa works fine. (Zyxel 660hw) Jun 29 13:52:24 i just installed diablo and cloned to SD, and wifi with WPA seems ok. Jun 29 13:55:04 fnordianslip: yeah, as I would also expect.. well, had to downgrade back to chinook Jun 29 13:56:02 Kompo_: strange. did you restore settings or manually enter the key? Jun 29 13:57:56 fnordianslip: just a clean flash, no restores. must be something really trivial, maybe I try to reflash at some point Jun 29 13:58:53 Kompo_: I've used both approaches with success, so should be no problems either way. Good luck ;-) Jun 29 14:41:09 howdy. Jun 29 14:42:07 hey everybody :) Jun 29 14:45:01 Does anybody still facing Diablo crash with OMWeather?) Jun 29 14:45:33 * terbo tests out canola then updates to diablo ... Jun 29 14:48:01 I have that when I try to go to settings. Jun 29 14:50:01 Kompo_: I'm not even seeing wifi networks with diablo :( Jun 29 14:52:03 Astro: hehe. Well I'm happy I'm not the only one :) Seems like the over-the-air update feature will be put to work soon Jun 29 14:52:13 only one with wlan problems Jun 29 14:52:20 Raytray, have you installed latest 0.20.5? Jun 29 14:52:21 is there a bug filed already? Jun 29 14:52:36 Not sure, let me check. Jun 29 14:54:04 Oh, no I havn't heh. Jun 29 14:54:17 Astro: Hmm. that was a bit illogical -- OTA updates need wlan connectivity :) :) :) Jun 29 14:54:46 yesterday was one of the rare moments it worked Jun 29 14:54:51 I updated Jun 29 14:54:55 since then no luck Jun 29 14:59:29 I don't think I'll ever buy Nokia again Jun 29 14:59:36 their opensource is a bad joke Jun 29 15:00:51 Astro: yeah, well, the earlier version still works and it's better supported currently. maybe first diablo problems will be fixed soon Jun 29 15:01:59 I'm willing to investigate by myself Jun 29 15:02:05 that's why I bought a linux device Jun 29 15:02:13 astro, which open source tablet are you going for next? Jun 29 15:02:56 at least for now im happy to consider the nokia a platform to run OSS apps in and im not so bothered by closed source Jun 29 15:04:16 hey lcuk) Jun 29 15:04:36 hi waz Jun 29 15:05:28 ah, what the heck with my nick >< Jun 29 15:05:42 waz1: wazd's still connected Jun 29 15:06:07 lcuk: openmoko? Jun 29 15:06:48 Uuuu Jun 29 15:07:19 I wouldn't say that freerunner is a tablet Jun 29 15:08:00 astro :) its not quite the same form factor :) but near enough to get you a gold star ;) Jun 29 15:08:16 you are right, if you're unhappy with nokia go to them Jun 29 15:08:29 I'm very unhappy Jun 29 15:08:35 How come ? Jun 29 15:08:37 coz wifi doesn't work in 9 of 10 cases Jun 29 15:08:58 in the situations where ive needed it its worked flawlessly Jun 29 15:09:14 Astro, only on diablo or on every OS ? Jun 29 15:09:15 but obviously this is a case of YMHV Jun 29 15:09:27 forge: the problems started with chinook Jun 29 15:09:36 before it was fine Jun 29 15:09:37 What HW ? Jun 29 15:09:45 RX34 Jun 29 15:10:43 astro, you mean wifi was perfect on same hardware on os2007 and since 2008 has been released its gone downhill? are you sure this isn't anecdotal since wifi wasn't so abundent and there were less none standards to adhere to? Jun 29 15:10:45 Hmh, well i haven't had any problems ever but i'm not using it that much anymore and i'm using n770 sooo Jun 29 15:11:28 if infact its a breakage of the software stack perhaps you should see if theres specific bug reports about it and if anyone is pushing them Jun 29 15:11:29 lcuk: pardon? Jun 29 15:11:41 ok, you said it worked well before chinook Jun 29 15:11:44 I opened the bug in february Jun 29 15:11:47 johnx: does Diablo's cx3110x driver have the wpa_suplicant patch? Jun 29 15:12:26 ahhh right, whats happened with it, you got a link? Jun 29 15:13:22 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2926 Jun 29 15:15:04 Gah, can't scp things to garage.maemo.org now Jun 29 15:15:33 Astro, i would imagine you have some silly hw failure Jun 29 15:16:11 :( Jun 29 15:16:12 And it's not the sw's fault Jun 29 15:16:43 I guess your warranty is over ? Jun 29 15:20:34 no, I bought the dev last november Jun 29 15:23:03 Hmh, well i would try to get it changed then, my friend's n800 has worked pretty much flawlessly without any kind of wifi errors like you described Jun 29 15:23:56 And the behaviour might implicate that the wifi chip is somehow burnt/flawed or the antenna isn't connected properly or other stuff like that Jun 29 15:24:32 Why it goes worse with Os upgrades i have no idea Jun 29 15:29:01 Stskeeps/JohnX: You guys here? Jun 29 15:30:24 Stskeeps johnx Jun 29 15:40:04 Capn_Fish: i am Jun 29 15:40:12 Hey Jun 29 15:40:31 I was just checking out your Debian wiki page Jun 29 15:40:51 It looks nice. You say X still works, even with the latest updates? Jun 29 15:41:18 well i base it off a quite recent (as in a couple of days ago) sid install and a somewhat modified .deb johnx made Jun 29 15:41:43 such as it providing xserver-xorg instead and it worked fine for me Jun 29 15:41:43 That's more recent than what broke my install, so I'll call that yes Jun 29 15:41:48 That's more recent than what broke my install, so I'll call that yes Jun 29 15:42:00 it's quite a barebones system right now though - but X does work Jun 29 15:42:04 Cool Jun 29 15:42:06 haven't added any Xsession things to the install right now Jun 29 15:42:09 Barebones is the way to go Jun 29 15:42:24 Do you need keymaps? Jun 29 15:42:31 I have some I could get to you Jun 29 15:42:48 well anything to get it to the level of the beta3 i guess Jun 29 15:42:50 Both the "standard" one (Xmodmaps and keymap.maps) and customized ones Jun 29 15:43:13 haven't really looked at the Xmodmap stuff yet but i guess it's needed for a good user experience :) Jun 29 15:43:28 I also have an xbindkeysrc file that allows for right clicking Jun 29 15:43:33 Capn_Fish: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso2007420-rotate-nitdebian1.deb <- the xserver deb i use in the install Jun 29 15:43:38 that sounds nice :) Jun 29 15:43:43 cool Jun 29 15:44:07 Is there some place you want me to put/send them? Jun 29 15:45:10 Heck, I just want a decent OS running on my N810 again! Jun 29 15:45:33 well the best thing would be constructing it as a package i guess - i haven't looked into how the xmodmap and xbindkeysrc stuff is set up in the beta3 Jun 29 15:45:54 I believe xmodmap is installed by default, but you have to install xbindkeys Jun 29 15:46:20 i think you could possibly upload them in bug tracker at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nit-debian Jun 29 15:46:29 or feature requests Jun 29 15:46:31 The way to go would probably to have packages like xmodmap-config and xbindkeys-config that put the files into /etc, then the user can copy them to ~/ Jun 29 15:46:43 I can do that Jun 29 15:47:07 well, we plan on having a good installer that's flexible, so Jun 29 15:47:14 every package installed is determined by a conf so Jun 29 15:47:26 It looks like you've got a good start to that Jun 29 15:47:38 Have you tried WEP? Jun 29 15:47:55 i tried WPA-PSK2 and that worked Jun 29 15:47:58 so i'm going to assume WEP would work Jun 29 15:48:06 I hope so Jun 29 15:48:10 no clue though Jun 29 15:48:13 It didn't for me on Beta3 Jun 29 15:48:22 but WPA2 AES did Jun 29 15:48:40 It's odd...Maybe doing WEP through wpa_supplicant would be the way to go Jun 29 15:49:47 well. the way i dealt with it in my setup is through debian /etc/network/interfaces.. i failed to get any wifi applets to wor Jun 29 15:49:50 k Jun 29 15:49:59 NetworkManager insisted everything was a LEAP network :) Jun 29 15:50:14 lol Jun 29 15:50:36 Do you have an N800 or an N810? Jun 29 15:50:39 n800 Jun 29 15:50:52 So keymaps aren't a big deal to you :) Jun 29 15:51:01 well right clicking is always a good thing Jun 29 15:51:02 :P Jun 29 15:51:05 Ya Jun 29 15:51:15 I couldn't get middle clicking working, though Jun 29 15:51:23 Well, I could, but not at the same time as right Jun 29 15:51:45 I couldn't find two working key combos + screen tap Jun 29 15:52:01 Oh, well. It's not a huge issue Jun 29 15:52:59 What files do I need to download initially to install this? Jun 29 15:53:15 as in X or the debian? Jun 29 15:53:25 To install Debian Jun 29 15:53:51 just have a working root access on tablet and an internet connection.. maybe subversion to fetch down it Jun 29 15:54:03 in our final version it would give installer.tar.gz and then fetch dependancies Jun 29 15:54:10 k Jun 29 15:54:24 Bah....so much I need to do before starting :( Jun 29 15:54:33 I knew I shouldn't have installed Diablo Jun 29 15:55:18 So I just SVN down the stuff, then run the scripts mentioned in the Wiki? Jun 29 15:56:10 aye. svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk , cd trunk/installer, ./debian-installer /where/your/ext2orext3SD-card-is CC , where CC is country code of the ftp mirror you want to fetch from Jun 29 15:56:18 Oh, another idea...Maybe the log daemons shouldn't be installed? Since we're running off of flash? Jun 29 15:56:21 it assumes the target is empty Jun 29 15:56:29 THat's fine by me Jun 29 15:56:32 well, i have them on right now cos experiments went bad at first :) Jun 29 15:56:35 I assume jffs2 is OK? Jun 29 15:56:36 so i needed a way to diagnose errors Jun 29 15:56:44 Ya, but for release.... Jun 29 15:56:45 no clue Jun 29 15:56:49 fair enough Jun 29 15:56:50 (jffs2) Jun 29 15:56:54 think it should be okay Jun 29 15:57:02 i don't make any assumptions about the fs i think Jun 29 15:57:03 It's like ext2 for flash IIRC Jun 29 15:57:14 It is a *NIX fs Jun 29 15:57:28 Just with wear-leveling/minimizing Jun 29 15:57:36 Good for flash memory :) Jun 29 15:57:39 *nod* Jun 29 15:58:11 ./debian-installer gets the dependancies needed to run the installer and then runs the python installer in a screen session Jun 29 15:58:29 OK Jun 29 15:58:42 soo I only need to run debian-installer? Jun 29 15:59:04 yep - assuming you have mounted the target filesystem Jun 29 15:59:21 Cool Jun 29 15:59:26 Makes things easy! Jun 29 15:59:39 beware you're ending with a barebones system with usb net, X started (no wm installed), and wifi if you adjust it in the tablet setup Jun 29 16:00:00 THat's fine Jun 29 16:00:05 Even ideal Jun 29 16:00:18 It took time to remove all of the Xfce stuff :) Jun 29 16:00:21 oh, and leave it on charger. this stuff takes a long time Jun 29 16:00:22 :P Jun 29 16:00:41 Do I need to do the Bootstrapping/tablet support steps myself? Jun 29 16:00:47 They're kind of in another section Jun 29 16:01:23 nop, that's just describing what is done in installer Jun 29 16:01:32 Ah, gotcha Jun 29 16:02:00 hello! How can I edit a picture in N800? I tried to open it with Sketch but it didn't manage to open it Jun 29 16:02:02 I will have to try this today Jun 29 16:02:02 and how the OS is started up Jun 29 16:02:09 k Jun 29 16:02:32 You know, it's nice having the rootfs on SD Jun 29 16:02:39 Stskeeps: I ran debian on my n800 and WPA works well Jun 29 16:02:41 and if the installer fails prod me - i didn't install a fresh image after adding latest package Jun 29 16:02:43 Makes it easy to fix things you break Jun 29 16:03:17 freelikegnu: using what network configuration? /etc/network/interfaces? Jun 29 16:03:32 one thing that keeps me from using debian full time is powermanagement of the wifi Jun 29 16:03:39 sinak: have you checked the repos for an image editing app? What filetype is it? Jun 29 16:03:54 it is jpeg Jun 29 16:03:55 freelikegnu: well, if any more details can be figured out about it it's always good Jun 29 16:04:03 freelikegnu: Doing an "iwconfig wlan0 power 1" doesn't work? Jun 29 16:04:28 sinak: Well, there's always running GIMP in a Debian chroot :) Jun 29 16:04:30 sts, I put my networks in a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then run wpa_supplicant from /etc/network/interfaces Jun 29 16:04:35 freelikegnu: k Jun 29 16:04:44 But I'd check to see if there's a Maemo image editing app first Jun 29 16:05:04 freelikegnu: same i did, sortof - latest debian has proper wpa_supplicant support for /etc/network/interfaces Jun 29 16:05:15 ok i'll check the repos :-) Jun 29 16:05:24 Best of luck Jun 29 16:05:28 something like "pre-up wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -Dwext" Jun 29 16:05:39 oh be sure to add -B Jun 29 16:05:50 for daemon mode Jun 29 16:05:53 *nod* Jun 29 16:05:54 That's kind of important :) Jun 29 16:06:23 then "post-down killall wpa_supplicant" Jun 29 16:06:31 kind of brute force, but hey Jun 29 16:06:52 nah, brute force would be kill -9 Jun 29 16:06:57 hehe Jun 29 16:07:38 Of course, that would involve grepping and stuff to get the process ID Jun 29 16:07:50 or just going into /var/run/wpa_supplicant-wlan0 or something Jun 29 16:07:51 :P Jun 29 16:08:02 Fair enough Jun 29 16:08:17 catting, then Jun 29 16:08:23 lol Jun 29 16:08:30 yawn Jun 29 16:08:53 i second that emotion. Jun 29 16:08:57 Have you figured out how to control the power LEDs and/or keyboard backlight (I assume not on that one)? Jun 29 16:09:34 Capn_Fish: well, i focused mostly on making a proper installer :) hope there'll be more people in on this to make some of the more user oriented things Jun 29 16:09:46 Fair enough. Jun 29 16:10:01 my goal was a proper barebones distro that is installed from the tablet instead of having to debootstrap it on desktop Jun 29 16:10:08 I looked at it, and there's nothing obvious in /proc or /sys Jun 29 16:10:20 on Maemo, I mean Jun 29 16:10:25 with ability to extend and install whatever we want on it ;) Jun 29 16:10:42 Sounds like you did a good job of it, too Jun 29 16:10:48 It is much appreciated Jun 29 16:11:33 I played around with Ubuntus hildon and sugar desktops the other day Jun 29 16:11:46 Oh? Jun 29 16:12:02 sugar really does not like being on 800x600 Jun 29 16:12:04 The new ubuntu-mobile or whatever they're calling it Jun 29 16:12:10 ? Jun 29 16:12:14 yeah ubuntu "MID" Jun 29 16:12:25 MID was neat Jun 29 16:12:37 Do you know where they stuck the source for that interface? Jun 29 16:12:41 turned my pc tablet into a giant n800 Jun 29 16:12:49 lol Jun 29 16:12:58 heavy and power hungry? Jun 29 16:13:01 I think is universe? Jun 29 16:13:10 lemme check Jun 29 16:13:12 It's in the main feeds? Jun 29 16:13:27 *slaps himself in the head* Jun 29 16:13:35 Why didn't I think of that? Jun 29 16:14:32 yeah universe X11 Jun 29 16:14:44 look for hildon-desktop meta package Jun 29 16:14:49 OK Jun 29 16:15:08 Or just the source packages :) Jun 29 16:15:36 some of the Zaurus Debian folks are looking to have it on their Zaurii, and I thought I'd try to build it Jun 29 16:15:51 or $ apt-cache search hildon dev Jun 29 16:16:13 k Jun 29 16:16:35 you'll prolly need some matchbox deb stuff too, hmm? Jun 29 16:16:39 I'm going adventuring, then (N810 root access, fanoush's bootloader, and Debian install) Jun 29 16:16:39 *dev Jun 29 16:16:43 probably Jun 29 16:17:07 freelikegnu: mid's are neat... but i'd like to see the day they're cheap Jun 29 16:17:12 We'll see what it complains about Jun 29 16:17:16 an alternative hildon for n8xx would be nice :D Jun 29 16:17:18 Catch you all later Jun 29 16:17:31 freelikegnu: Or just a decent OS (Like Debian) Jun 29 16:17:39 glass_: n800 is pretty darn cheap Jun 29 16:17:53 cya Capn_Fish Jun 29 16:17:56 Bye Jun 29 16:19:31 freelikegnu: yes but it's not near the power of what a mid is supposed to pack Jun 29 16:20:41 glass_: how is that? Jun 29 16:21:18 freelikegnu: intel mids are x86 based, with 2-4 times memory of n800's Jun 29 16:21:33 And no more than 1/2 the battery life Jun 29 16:21:46 and triple the price Jun 29 16:22:19 so today you can have a cheap mid, that is adequate Jun 29 16:22:20 i want to write a message in a photo. How can i do that? (n800) Jun 29 16:22:40 freelikegnu: ..point is, n800 is not a MID Jun 29 16:22:45 as intel puts it Jun 29 16:22:53 sketch couldn't open my photo Jun 29 16:23:08 and as intel puts it is how ubuntu puts it Jun 29 16:23:50 ubuntu is also ported to hw other than x86 Jun 29 16:24:51 ppc, spark, and now mips Jun 29 16:26:11 and while its great that intel and Canonical are chummy, all the better for everyone else Jun 29 16:27:03 whatever puts more gnu in peoples hands is a GoodThing afaic Jun 29 16:27:30 freelikegnu: yes, but it's aimed at beefier devices Jun 29 16:27:49 and currently the pricepoint is way too high to put it into hands of people in large scale Jun 29 16:29:58 I think thats rather short sighted, seeing as how I could run Ubuntu mid on a $100 pIII tablet Jun 29 16:30:11 so for me MID is an enabler, today Jun 29 16:41:49 freelikegnu: what PIII tablet costs $100? Jun 29 16:45:07 Fujitsus Jun 29 16:45:45 Hammerheads Jun 29 16:47:01 Itronix Jun 29 16:47:36 I bought I couple Itronix touchscreen laptops for my kids for about $150 each Jun 29 16:48:07 Cool Jun 29 16:48:29 currently they urn XFCE Jun 29 16:48:32 *run Jun 29 16:48:42 but MID looks compelling Jun 29 16:49:51 some of these older machines have basic 3d accelleration too Jun 29 16:52:53 used price is used.. Jun 29 17:04:27 http://search.ebay.com/tablet-pc-fujitsu-500_Laptops-Notebooks Jun 29 17:07:09 darn gprs... Jun 29 17:14:19 Anybody else has 11-18MB browserd running AFTER MicroB has quit? Jun 29 17:16:39 Can I save somehow the kernel before flashing a new one with 'flasher' ? Jun 29 17:16:47 just in case my kernel won't boot :) Jun 29 17:18:29 zap i had the same though Jun 29 17:18:32 however Jun 29 17:18:47 to go back to an original kernel, you can extract one from a fiasco image Jun 29 17:18:54 using the linux flasher program Jun 29 17:21:45 Stskeeps: Still here? Jun 29 17:22:58 Atarii: cool, that worked Jun 29 17:24:03 anybody knows which command line has kernel by default? Jun 29 17:25:53 ? Jun 29 17:25:54 moo, rm_you Jun 29 17:26:08 cluck, RST38h Jun 29 17:26:34 I've never been up this early... Jun 29 17:26:41 What happens? >_> Jun 29 17:27:18 oh shit, everyone: rm's here put away the cool stuff Jun 29 17:27:24 i have 9.30 pm now) Jun 29 17:27:42 errr hi rm_you :S :D Jun 29 17:27:57 rm_you: nothing happens here Jun 29 17:28:01 same people Jun 29 17:28:06 any time zone Jun 29 17:28:20 Stskeeps: I'll take that as a no? Jun 29 17:28:27 If you wish news, I can complain about Diablo icroB Jun 29 17:28:31 lcuk, soooo, visual impovement idea for your stars) Jun 29 17:28:45 +1 Jun 29 17:29:00 sluggish "connectting..." Jun 29 17:29:48 Capn_Fish: sorry, gf showing me pics of her diving classes Jun 29 17:29:55 np Jun 29 17:30:07 I'm having issues with the install script Jun 29 17:30:27 It says "failed to install deps. Please check your apt sources" Jun 29 17:30:29 so, about stars, maybe you shoud make them black on spawn and then smoothly turn them to white?) Jun 29 17:30:57 What source do I need to add that has Python, Wget, binutils, and subversion? Jun 29 17:31:59 Capn_Fish: http://rafb.net/p/rFvRRf59.html are the ones i have Jun 29 17:32:17 kk Jun 29 17:32:17 i'm guessing maemo extras Jun 29 17:32:25 I have that enabled... Jun 29 17:32:36 diablo release though? Jun 29 17:32:41 i didn't test on diablo, didn't upgrade :P Jun 29 17:34:03 Capn_Fish: could i get your xmodmap and xbindkeys files you mentioned btw? just put them on rafb.net/paste or something Jun 29 17:35:20 OK Jun 29 17:35:23 hang on a tif Jun 29 17:36:05 http://rafb.net/p/X0OOF142.html xbindkeysrc Jun 29 17:37:00 ta, i'll just put them on wiki in planning stage package Jun 29 17:37:01 s Jun 29 17:37:22 k Jun 29 17:37:30 and that is based on n810 keyboard? Jun 29 17:37:52 http://rafb.net/p/PvPhhk16.html xmodmaps (look carefully) Jun 29 17:37:53 Ya Jun 29 17:38:08 They're missing the keys on the top (+/-, power, fullscreen) Jun 29 17:38:12 unfortunately Jun 29 17:38:21 I'll get to it eventually Jun 29 17:38:29 Anybody has some good pointers on N810 boot process? I want to understand it in details Jun 29 17:39:30 http://rafb.net/p/HB5fW086.html keymap.map (same as for xmodmaps) Jun 29 17:39:43 Xbindkeys needs 2 files, BTW Jun 29 17:39:50 mouse-m and mouse-r Jun 29 17:40:31 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25846&st=0&start=0 Jun 29 17:40:34 Get them there Jun 29 17:40:40 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlm4v6i80c Michael Penn - "It's a Long Way Down" Jun 29 17:40:46 so good Jun 29 17:42:32 Capn_Fish: the zdevil click thing? Jun 29 17:42:37 ya Jun 29 17:42:46 There are two binaries in the package Jun 29 17:43:07 mouse-m and mouse-r, which generate middle and right mouse clicks Jun 29 17:43:36 source is your mouseclick.tar.gz? Jun 29 17:44:06 Kind of Jun 29 17:44:28 It's likely my source for mouse-r Jun 29 17:44:39 I can't remmeber if my source is a regular click or not Jun 29 17:44:41 wazd, i did that originally, but it doesnt look as good as you think it would. Jun 29 17:44:49 It should be one variable that needs changing Jun 29 17:46:48 k - i'll just add sources and needed information to do the trick then Jun 29 17:46:53 but that *was* before i had sync lock, let me just try it again Jun 29 17:46:59 fair enough Jun 29 17:47:10 Got everything else? Jun 29 17:48:09 the xmodmaps.. what are the benefits of those? N810 keyboard working or? Jun 29 17:48:23 THe kb WORKS without them Jun 29 17:48:38 the mappings are just off (no tab or /, kind of a pain on Linux) Jun 29 17:48:50 Necessary for al FN key combos and some others Jun 29 17:49:40 *nod* Jun 29 17:50:47 wonderful! :) Jun 29 17:51:04 gentlemen, could someboyd tell me what is the analog of bpf device in linux? Jun 29 17:54:54 btw RST38h did you ever find a high resolution timer on the OMAP2420 ? Jun 29 17:55:16 something like on the 80x86 Jun 29 17:55:53 pupnik: I did not try - just using Linux usleep Jun 29 17:55:53 how high do you need pupnik? Jun 29 17:55:58 usleep seems to work though Jun 29 17:56:35 If I understand things correctly, a polite Unix-like OS should automatically make use of hires timer when you do stuff like nanosleep() etc Jun 29 17:57:40 Capn_Fish: do you know if we have XKB support in X? Jun 29 17:59:20 No idea Jun 29 18:00:17 http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25459&view=findpost&p=175502 mentions doing this through Xmodmap (right click), just wondering if it would work Jun 29 18:01:00 Well, check for xkb support with Jun 29 18:01:09 xdpyinfo|grep XKEYBOARD Jun 29 18:01:20 https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Communication Jun 29 18:01:35 Email Bugs related to the e-mail application. Jun 29 18:01:41 Modest Bugs related to Modest e-mail application Jun 29 18:01:57 I suppose the former should be tweaked so ...uh, or, something Jun 29 18:02:10 * sp3000 scratches head Jun 29 18:02:15 * sp3000 shrugs Jun 29 18:02:20 add: "old'n'sucky"? Jun 29 18:02:32 Capn_Fish: got any experience making debian packages? Jun 29 18:02:38 A little Jun 29 18:02:47 inz: yeah, but then I started thinking about how that actually adds value Jun 29 18:02:52 IPKs are the same, and I've made WAY too many of those Jun 29 18:03:03 Debs are a little more picky, but I'm OK with it Jun 29 18:03:27 maybe the Modest component should be merged into Email now that it's out Jun 29 18:03:34 in a default sense Jun 29 18:03:38 well, for the base packages we use a simplistic version, where we just do dpkg-deb --build Jun 29 18:03:53 as dpkg-buildpackage can't be done on tablet Jun 29 18:04:04 (in a decent way) Jun 29 18:04:12 since at this point using modest and filing bugs on it doesn't require knowing about its magical unicorn package name Jun 29 18:04:32 OK... Jun 29 18:04:47 Why can't dpkg-buildpackage be done on the tablet? Jun 29 18:05:21 * Stskeeps wonders idly if we do dpkg-deb on tablet or on chroot Jun 29 18:05:38 * sp3000 files a bug, that should poke the right bug people Jun 29 18:05:46 Stskeeps, :) thank you! i do all my coding on tablet and had gotten to realising i couldnt get dpkg-buildpackage on easily but lack of knowledge left me without a method. Jun 29 18:06:09 at least now i know theres a way Jun 29 18:06:41 isnt the Eclipse+ESbox video a bit too grainy? Jun 29 18:06:43 Capn_Fish: well ok, we can prolly do it on the debian chroot, but it's a bit silly pulling in build-essential to a pure debian iamge :) Jun 29 18:06:54 if we want to compile something Jun 29 18:07:03 for now our dpkg-deb method seems to work :P Jun 29 18:07:11 as we handwrite the control files and such Jun 29 18:07:13 Fair enough Jun 29 18:07:30 I personally like having build tools on the device, though Jun 29 18:07:44 Capn_Fish: could you look through the wiki page about the stuff we just discussed (xmodmap etc), and see if i did some major errors? Jun 29 18:07:51 OK Jun 29 18:07:54 brb Jun 29 18:08:16 lcuk: well it requires hand-making the package but besides that Jun 29 18:09:09 Stskeeps, you sure? couldnt i configure and set it up once in vmware (the horror that it is) with full tools, then once all setup use -deb to rebuild the deb as required Jun 29 18:09:28 Looks fine to me. You may want to say where to put the files and how to activate them :) Jun 29 18:09:29 Bug 3344 Submitted - do something about Modest vs Email bugzilla components Jun 29 18:09:36 Otherwise it's all good Jun 29 18:09:49 why don't we have a bugzilla bot, still :) Jun 29 18:09:51 er Jun 29 18:09:52 :( Jun 29 18:10:03 lcuk: well i guess so Jun 29 18:10:07 * sp3000 doesn't have a 24/7 box to run one Jun 29 18:10:33 Capn_Fish: i'm thinking to switch instead of doing /home/user/.xsession in rc.local to /etc/X11/Xsession which then pulls in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ files.. where the xmodmap and xbindkeys stuff is activated Jun 29 18:10:34 either way, now i know i can rebuild direct i can carry on coding happily Jun 29 18:10:50 Capn_Fish: so we don't rely on X user being user Jun 29 18:10:51 sounds good to me Jun 29 18:11:08 thanks for the tip - even though you werent giving out advice :D Jun 29 18:11:13 lcuk: hehe, np Jun 29 18:11:29 lcuk: i found out scary things about debian i really didn't want to know while doing this stuff Jun 29 18:11:32 :P Jun 29 18:12:03 yer i tend to agree, forgive my innocence but what is "this stuff" - i just came back from tea and saw your excellent comment Jun 29 18:12:33 Debian on the NITs Jun 29 18:12:34 lcuk: we're building a debian installer for the tablets Jun 29 18:12:41 that is sane, and not a huge tar.gz Jun 29 18:13:32 i dont think anyone that puts debian on NIT is sane :P Jun 29 18:13:38 lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian_for_NITs_development Jun 29 18:13:52 lcuk: hehe. it works pretty well so far Jun 29 18:14:06 Stskeeps: Just to verify I did this right: I do "./debian-installer /media/mmc1 us" if I want to have my system's root to be /media/mmc1, right? Jun 29 18:14:22 ive heard good things about it tbh Jun 29 18:14:35 Capn_Fish: aye, it'll put the debian installation in that directory Jun 29 18:14:42 cool Jun 29 18:14:54 lcuk: You don't think Debian on the NITs is sane?!?!? Jun 29 18:15:01 I have doubts on you sanity now... Jun 29 18:15:13 lol Jun 29 18:15:25 its ok, i have the same doubts Jun 29 18:15:49 Seriously, though, what's wrong with it? Maemo, to be brutally honost, sucks. Jun 29 18:15:57 its the linux way to get linux on all devices, even those that already run it ;) Jun 29 18:16:02 And Debian is a great OS Jun 29 18:16:16 i agree with that, hows the framebuffer on deb side? Jun 29 18:16:24 Capn_Fish: i though have some concerns about debians performance on tablet Jun 29 18:16:26 It works fine Jun 29 18:16:32 fast or fine? Jun 29 18:16:32 otherwise id have it already :) Jun 29 18:16:48 I don't know. I haven't played with it yet Jun 29 18:16:53 I just know it works Jun 29 18:17:22 macoute: It's got fine performance Jun 29 18:17:54 will future releases of apps be compatible with both chinook and diablo or just diablo? Jun 29 18:18:08 Capn_Fish: so browser loads as fast as on maemo? (which is not fast enough, though :)) Jun 29 18:18:28 well (not sure if you know) ive been writing some framebuffer code to try to get nice fast updates out of the nokia. ive had some pondering about trying to create an x11 driver to talk to the lcd in a faster way. the only problem is its a YUV mode I am using, so greyscale would end up being a really fast end mode Jun 29 18:18:35 I'd call it about even, perhaps a little slower. It renders at a good speed, though Jun 29 18:18:56 ( i cant expect RGB images to be converted on the fly for every instance in every program, so hence thinking grey..) Jun 29 18:19:05 gotcha Jun 29 18:19:11 That's more than I know how to do Jun 29 18:19:17 when i'm trying to save an image from sketch, it says Not enough space in target location. I'm sure i have a lot of free space. Jun 29 18:19:41 Have you checked with "df -h"? Jun 29 18:19:57 same here, its one of my less than sane ideas, but its plausable. i know linux can handle being placed on greyscale framebuffers quite easily Jun 29 18:22:57 Capn_Fish i have 400mb free space Jun 29 18:23:04 hmm...I don't know then Jun 29 18:23:34 is it possible to be a ram problem? Jun 29 18:23:50 Stskeeps: You know what we really need....A high-end box running Qemu rebuilding all of the Debian packages optimized for the N8x0 Jun 29 18:23:55 sinak: I think not Jun 29 18:24:06 That would solve any speed issues! Jun 29 18:26:16 Capn_Fish: we dont even need a high-end box Jun 29 18:26:26 as we have a lot of low-end boxes available :) Jun 29 18:27:53 hmm, I wonder if I can cc component pseudo-qa accounts Jun 29 18:28:41 macoute: true Jun 29 18:29:03 But the whole distributed computing thing seems like a pain to set up Jun 29 18:30:24 * Stskeeps goes wreck havoc on the x server init scripts for kicks. Jun 29 18:31:01 * snowmoon looks at condor... 284 unclaimed CPU's Jun 29 18:34:54 I'm off for now Jun 29 18:34:57 catch you later Jun 29 18:36:36 Started to play with cairo and came up with a "system monitor" (currently random data), anyone interested if I finish it: http://inz.fi/graph.png Jun 29 18:36:47 brontide: Mass-convert movies for N8x0 and put them online! Jun 29 18:37:15 Lol Jun 29 18:38:38 is it just me, or isn't there a wireless-tools for chinook/diablo? Jun 29 18:39:21 whatcha lookin' for? Jun 29 18:40:13 http://dansimmons.com/news/news_items.htm#carrion Jun 29 18:40:59 * RST38h imagines Carrion Comfort being made into a movie by a bunch of perverse, sadomasochistic, US-hating French and chuckles in delight Jun 29 18:41:38 inz: perty Jun 29 18:41:43 lets hope Audrey doesnt speak much Jun 29 18:42:57 i just updated to diablo and now wayfinder says network error when trying to update maps Jun 29 18:43:01 any ideas? Jun 29 18:43:02 Jaffa, I'll take that as a yes (and don't deny, or I'll never finish it) Jun 29 18:43:03 someone needs to make a better video of the ESBox+Eclipse Plugin demonstration. Jun 29 18:43:10 webbrowsing etc works fine Jun 29 18:43:47 not that Im needy, Can anyone actually see my messages? Jun 29 18:44:08 freelikegnu: Given the storyline, she will not have a chance Jun 29 18:44:43 'cause most characters die really quick there Jun 29 18:44:59 kkrusty: i do Jun 29 18:45:17 melmoth: thanks. Jun 29 18:50:22 X-Fade: you here ? Jun 29 18:52:53 cool I just found a high res version of the video. Now I know why I was being ignored :) Jun 29 19:03:44 if anyone is following the game, could you keep me posted about the score ? Jun 29 19:05:04 whot game ? Jun 29 19:05:20 autobuiler 1/developper 0 :-) Jun 29 19:05:25 germany - spain Jun 29 19:12:18 * Jaffa 's father-in-law is watching it down stairs Jun 29 19:13:07 inz: yeah, I'd have that running. Only needs axes and to be scalable and it'd do for a first release Jun 29 19:21:04 hehe, 1:0 Jun 29 19:22:25 anyone running a diablo scratchbox install? Jun 29 19:22:47 me Jun 29 19:23:01 Are you using chinook in the sources.lst? Jun 29 19:23:11 or Diablo? Jun 29 19:23:26 So far it's a fresh install and everything is by default Jun 29 19:23:30 let me look at sounrces.lst Jun 29 19:24:24 * zap booting ubuntu in kvm Jun 29 19:25:31 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free Jun 29 19:25:32 and so on Jun 29 19:26:19 also diablo/tools Jun 29 19:26:23 ah, thanks, can seem to install some of the gtk bits Jun 29 19:28:46 import gtk is not finding a module named gtk :( Jun 29 19:32:20 zap Can you 'import gtk' from a python shell and see if it works for you? Jun 29 19:40:50 Any gtk experts? why would a function work normally when invoked via __init__() or from an event dispatch, but fail miserably from idle_add? Jun 29 19:41:38 I've tried both gobject.idle_add and gtk.idle_add and they both hang. I think it's only when a dialog is shown. dialog.hide doesn't seem to do anything Jun 29 19:50:22 hmm, is $99 a month worth 20mb fiber internets? Jun 29 19:50:46 JamieBennett: import gtk -> no module named gtk Jun 29 19:50:59 acydlord: hmmm..... Jun 29 19:51:10 acydlord: 20MB, or 20Mb? Jun 29 19:51:11 Umm, me things something isn't quite right with diablo just yet Jun 29 19:51:22 20Mb Jun 29 19:51:34 Caps? Jun 29 19:51:41 zap: Nokia-N810-23-14:/usr/local/bin# dpkg --list | grep python2.5-gtk Jun 29 19:51:41 ii python2.5-gtk2 2.12.1-1osso3 Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set Jun 29 19:51:47 i gotta cal them tomorrow and fing out about caps and up speeds Jun 29 19:52:00 And, presumably, given it's fiber(sic) you're pretty much guaranteed to actually *get* 20Mbps, unlike DSL. Jun 29 19:52:09 brontide: that's on diablo SDK? Jun 29 19:52:12 static ip/servers? it all depends on your need for speed, man Jun 29 19:52:22 Diablo Jun 29 19:52:26 not SDK Jun 29 19:52:28 Diablo on N810? Jun 29 19:52:33 yeah Jun 29 19:52:33 * Jaffa would be tempted. Currently paying around $50p.m. for "up to 24Mbps" ADSL2. But so far away from the exchange I actually get about 3.5 Jun 29 19:52:35 well, we're talking about SDK Jun 29 19:52:40 brontide: nothing for the dpkg command, not installed Jun 29 19:52:43 they also have a 12Mb fiber package for 46 a month Jun 29 19:53:04 I'll assume you've tried apt-get'ing it Jun 29 19:53:08 apt-cache search python does'nt reveal anything gtk-related Jun 29 19:53:11 of course Jun 29 19:53:18 zap: indeed Jun 29 19:53:50 Isn't this just like nokia... wait wait wait.. quick it's out now we have to catch up Jun 29 19:54:11 you would have though they would have these things rebuilt before the launch Jun 29 19:54:40 brontide: yeah and the fact that we as developers are left to twiddle our thumbs until Nokia decide to fix the problem Jun 29 19:54:42 those are all community added btw Jun 29 19:54:56 JamieBennett: I think you can just add chinook repos to your sdk and use pygtk from there Jun 29 19:55:37 zap: not ideal but its the only way at the moment I think Jun 29 19:55:39 you can Jun 29 19:55:57 Anyone else having problems with omweather crashing in diablo when you try to open settings? Jun 29 19:56:09 hmm, I have read somewhere Diablo added suspend-to-ram functionality Jun 29 19:56:17 but I don't see anything new in the power menu Jun 29 19:56:26 hmm Jun 29 19:56:58 Tenkawa, mine crashed hildon-desk when i tried to access the settings with apt-worker open Jun 29 19:57:06 i'm going to try again in a sec after a reboot Jun 29 19:57:14 acydlord: interesting.. Jun 29 19:57:28 zap: that would kinda be cool Jun 29 19:58:07 on all Russian maemo-related site the article about Diablo release mention this Jun 29 19:58:30 hmm Jun 29 19:58:40 yeah I havent seen it either in the menus Jun 29 19:58:58 Tenkawa, yep, settings crashes my dekstop completely Jun 29 19:59:04 oh wow its pouring outside Jun 29 19:59:09 acydlord: yeah same here.. bummer Jun 29 19:59:51 pidgin crashes status bar when I try to un-minimize it too Jun 29 20:00:22 i didnt install pidgin this time, just throwing all my accounts in the default messenger Jun 29 20:00:44 ahh Jun 29 20:00:51 maybe I should try that instead Jun 29 20:00:55 hmm, in a C++ member, I set a private variable, then trigger a signal. In the signal listeners, they access the private variable through an accessor - and it's not updated.... why? Jun 29 20:01:02 see http://pastebin.com/d745c66e8 Jun 29 20:01:25 which repo is omweather in again? Jun 29 20:03:03 damnit Jun 29 20:03:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1649&stc=1&d=1210449290 Jun 29 20:03:16 suspend-to-ram was a devel feature :) Jun 29 20:03:29 bummer Jun 29 20:03:51 aol im is jabber based right? Jun 29 20:04:01 nope, oscar Jun 29 20:04:05 doh Jun 29 20:04:16 you probably need the addons for the rest of the protocols Jun 29 20:04:26 looking Jun 29 20:04:51 lbt, something up with your copy constructor for sState? Jun 29 20:04:51 packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo Jun 29 20:04:57 distro = chinook Jun 29 20:05:11 components = haze salut idle Jun 29 20:05:13 you can easily use icq/aol via any jabber->icq gateway Jun 29 20:05:19 like I do :) Jun 29 20:05:23 acydlord: thanks Jun 29 20:05:52 np Jun 29 20:06:06 zap, that makes it messy to track who's online if you have large lists Jun 29 20:06:12 ? Jun 29 20:06:39 if you have large lists, you have large lists and that doesn't depend on the protocol Jun 29 20:07:13 whenever i tried that with jabber transports it would only show who was online on the jabber account Jun 29 20:07:15 sState is typedef enum sState_ {A,B,C} sState; Jun 29 20:07:43 acydlord: I don't understand Jun 29 20:08:02 jabber->icq gateway worked always fine for me, you see icq users like regular jabber users, almost no difference Jun 29 20:08:37 it showed me status for people using jabber protocol, but for all the others it showed them as always offline Jun 29 20:08:38 hmmm Jun 29 20:08:40 lbt, have you tried doing the debug after you change but before you emit Jun 29 20:08:44 lcuk: nah, it's something else - state seems to have local scope... Jun 29 20:08:50 acydlord: know what the package name is? Jun 29 20:09:09 acydlord: I guess you haven't registered with the JIT gateway, you must give it your ICQ UIN/password so that it can log into AOL for you Jun 29 20:09:33 lbt, its not that local - its certainly declared outside the method you pastebinned Jun 29 20:09:52 acydlord: nm.. figured out my prob Jun 29 20:09:59 private class member variable... Jun 29 20:09:59 my repo entry is broke Jun 29 20:10:03 ahh Jun 29 20:10:06 sState state ; Jun 29 20:10:28 i have haze, salut, and bonjour support added to the default chat client, so that keeps me pretty much covered Jun 29 20:10:30 could any of your callbacks be forcing it back (or inside the emit_change) Jun 29 20:10:50 damn typo Jun 29 20:10:51 heeh Jun 29 20:10:52 nope - accessor access only Jun 29 20:11:20 I just wondered if *somehow* the class variable wasn't updated until the method exited Jun 29 20:11:25 which sounded *wrong* Jun 29 20:11:55 so nothing else in your class touches state? Jun 29 20:11:56 but I'm pulling hair at the moment - I'm going to have to run gdb soon..! Jun 29 20:12:21 constructor Jun 29 20:12:32 (but it screams so I'd see that) Jun 29 20:12:53 get_state() Jun 29 20:13:06 and it puts out '0' always... Jun 29 20:13:07 add another log entry above the emit Jun 29 20:13:17 yep... Jun 29 20:13:32 do breakpoints work in ESBox? yes/no Jun 29 20:13:48 *yes/no/maybe Jun 29 20:13:54 ugh, i need to go take a shower Jun 29 20:17:37 hi Jun 29 20:17:57 does diablo extras upload work the same way than chinook extras upload? Jun 29 20:18:19 I'm trying to upload my package and I'm getting scp errors: Jun 29 20:18:36 Uploading to diablo-extras (via scp to garage): Jun 29 20:18:36 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Jun 29 20:18:36 lost connection Jun 29 20:18:37 Jun 29 20:19:48 guys what's new in roadmap 1.1.0j-7 today? Jun 29 20:20:24 lcuk: nah, something else is spooky: http://pastebin.com/d4dbf0262 Jun 29 20:20:59 the output is 2 calls - it's getting set to 0 somehow... Jun 29 20:23:02 reset more than likely, sounds like your object is being recreated Jun 29 20:23:17 ie calling the method on a new instance each time Jun 29 20:23:29 That's what I thought - so the constructor screams on creation so I'd see that Jun 29 20:23:48 hmm, no ddd in the scratchbox Jun 29 20:24:29 you sure the constructor you think you are calling is the one its using Jun 29 20:24:55 eocanha: no, it doesnt Jun 29 20:24:55 ie, have you got a no param constructor which is spraypainted and another with optional arguments which is silent Jun 29 20:25:08 good point - will check... Jun 29 20:25:34 eocanha: you have to use the autobuilder to put them in extras-devel Jun 29 20:25:49 and then, if they build ok (good luck :-) ) push them to extras Jun 29 20:25:55 :-/ Jun 29 20:26:15 I did have - I wasn't using it ;) Jun 29 20:26:26 eocanha: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html Jun 29 20:26:35 thanks Jun 29 20:29:13 Are there any Diablo repositories? Or should I use chinook repos, including extras? Jun 29 20:29:26 chinook at the moment until its sorted out Jun 29 20:30:03 even no extras? Jun 29 20:30:32 use chinook Jun 29 20:31:41 zap: as was hinted earlier, Nokia has serious timing issues it seems, getting everything working on release day (or week) was not their priority! Jun 29 20:45:25 Heh, looks like well-intentioned idea of herding everyone through autobuilder messed things up for everybody... Jun 29 20:51:21 lcuk - build dependencies on .h file was wrong. I think some class files weren't rebuilt and were accessing bad memory. Of course, now I've hacked it to buggery... Jun 29 20:51:46 make clean; make :) Jun 29 20:52:04 hmm, nope - maybe I spoke too soon... Jun 29 20:52:48 is the class small and encapulated or does it have a shedload of deps? Jun 29 20:53:31 small Jun 29 20:53:48 well thats the first time x-chat ever completely froze up on me Jun 29 20:56:07 if its small enough pastebin it and ill see if i can replicate Jun 29 20:56:59 ok - just changed from a typedef enum to a simple int and #defines.... Jun 29 20:57:48 * sinak laterz Jun 29 21:02:56 lcuk: OK - I give up... Jun 29 21:03:01 lol Jun 29 21:03:02 want to have a look? Jun 29 21:03:10 yer gfi Jun 29 21:03:19 liquid@gmail Jun 29 21:03:19 I'll send you a tar file if you like... easier Jun 29 21:03:58 whichever you like Jun 29 21:04:02 sp3000: yeah, i saw your ping Jun 29 21:04:06 hmm - includes .o etc Jun 29 21:08:53 sp3000: there was half a plan to deal w/ it Jun 29 21:09:03 i suppose you could just rely on the version field for email clients Jun 29 21:13:26 Navi: sorry, ran out Jun 29 21:13:36 i was looking for things like iwlist and iwconfig Jun 29 21:13:39 ok I asked this before Jun 29 21:13:53 but what is the maximum size mini/micro sdhc card that can be used in an n810 Jun 29 21:14:01 the manual says 8 but I heard someone say that 16 worked Jun 29 21:14:03 I think Jun 29 21:14:09 the largest one available :) Jun 29 21:14:11 but that may have been in an n800 Jun 29 21:14:16 i should work, but you better try Jun 29 21:14:20 *it Jun 29 21:16:13 lbt, ive also got a c++ issue, but im not sure how to ask the question. perhaps im trying to do something wrong but once i get your mail address ill show you what i mean Jun 29 21:16:39 meh, gotta run Jun 29 21:16:43 bye all Jun 29 21:16:56 cy aquatix Jun 29 21:17:04 should have arrived by now (nb change frog to state in the constructor - experiment gone wrong) Jun 29 21:17:33 sent to .com? Jun 29 21:17:56 yes Jun 29 21:18:55 hmmm, still 134 unread Jun 29 21:19:03 There is a bug somewhere. repeated consecutive calls to get/set work... Jun 29 21:19:13 and a hotmail test just came through Jun 29 21:19:19 if gtkmm carries on running it seems to overwrite Jun 29 21:19:38 lemme see... Jun 29 21:19:44 when i said "sent to .com" i sent via hotmail and its in already Jun 29 21:21:14 no bounces here... try again... Jun 29 21:22:23 g is normally fastest at getting stuff Jun 29 21:22:43 but it has silly rules about contents of zips Jun 29 21:23:26 trying, cc'ing my gmail acc Jun 29 21:24:20 in my gmail... Jun 29 21:24:40 and mine now Jun 29 21:24:52 :D Jun 29 21:24:54 this is the smaller, clean version Jun 29 21:25:03 so needs buildtools... Jun 29 21:25:25 only 6 files though!! Jun 29 21:26:41 I really would appreciate if someone told me whether breakpoints/debugging works under ESBox/eclipse Jun 29 21:40:20 ahem Jun 29 21:40:28 openssh does not install on diablo Jun 29 21:40:40 how people lives without it? Jun 29 21:40:43 hmm? Jun 29 21:40:55 the deb files from garage won't install Jun 29 21:41:01 I guess because of different openssh libs Jun 29 21:41:20 ? Jun 29 21:41:26 what's wrong w/ the ones from chinook? Jun 29 21:41:31 zap, works nice here Jun 29 21:41:58 ah damnit Jun 29 21:42:08 the web site contains pointers to bora repo Jun 29 21:42:29 Jaffa / X-Fade: please zap jamie 3291/1 Jun 29 21:42:31 just use apt-get ? Jun 29 21:42:55 is ddd available for scratchbox? Jun 29 21:43:05 it says Package ddd is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jun 29 21:43:17 lbt: why not use gdbserver? Jun 29 21:43:20 then you can use host ddd Jun 29 21:43:34 crashanddie_: it's not in any of the installed repos Jun 29 21:43:35 ta - will google... Jun 29 21:43:38 and I have a lot of them Jun 29 21:43:42 (use gdb6.8 or newer on both sides) Jun 29 21:43:55 timelyx: does seem like a little bit AOLish to get some karma :) Jun 29 21:44:02 zap, it's in maemo extras Jun 29 21:44:13 Jaffa: karma modifier *= 0; Jun 29 21:44:28 timelyx: commenting != karma++ ? Jun 29 21:44:29 penalty for: driving engineers crazy Jun 29 21:44:49 if it is, i will personally rewrite the karma alg :) Jun 29 21:44:55 :) Jun 29 21:45:19 it's in maemo extras *for* chinook Jun 29 21:45:27 * Jaffa beds. More auto-builder fun can wait 'til tomorrow. Jun 29 21:45:40 zap, chinook apps work fine for diablo Jun 29 21:45:50 lbt, ive just stripped out your state function and its working as expected over here Jun 29 21:45:59 http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/06/29/1745256.shtml Jun 29 21:46:15 crashanddie_: except a few of them, and openssh seems one of them Jun 29 21:46:29 crashanddie_: are you running diablo? Jun 29 21:46:48 zap, please stop spilling shit, I'm running diablo, and openssh works fine Jun 29 21:46:55 lcuk: hmm - I'm building in a scratchbox - but this isn't weird stuff Jun 29 21:47:01 and i cant see any issues with the code: building it would be a bit diff though without an actual makefile, i cant get autotools on device Jun 29 21:47:42 I think it's an interaction with something else in gtkmm Jun 29 21:47:50 I do do some sig_bind stuff Jun 29 21:48:11 which is essentially typecasting function arg lists - which could be icky Jun 29 21:48:31 repeated 'clean' calls work just fine... Jun 29 21:48:47 over in MainWindow.cc Jun 29 21:48:57 I call: Jun 29 21:49:00 l.set_state(0); Jun 29 21:49:03 l.set_state(1); Jun 29 21:49:04 l.set_state(2); Jun 29 21:49:04 l.set_state(s); Jun 29 21:49:04 l.set_state(2); Jun 29 21:49:04 l.set_state(s); Jun 29 21:49:04 } Jun 29 21:49:13 and it works as expected Jun 29 21:49:18 yer i saw, move to a pm though, people wont like flood ;) Jun 29 21:49:25 lbt, watch out not to flood though Jun 29 21:49:28 aha Jun 29 21:49:35 would i ? :D Jun 29 21:49:38 with apt-get it pulled openssh-0.9.7 too Jun 29 21:49:40 I just type fast Jun 29 21:49:52 zap, does it work? Jun 29 21:50:01 yep Jun 29 21:50:15 zap, sweet :) Jun 29 21:50:15 anyhow, the next call to set_state shows a new value Jun 29 21:50:17 I was clicking on openssh-common deb file from browser Jun 29 21:50:18 I can't seem to find the package that has mkfs.ext2 since I've upgraded to diablo, can anyone help me please? Jun 29 21:50:26 so I think the mem's being overwritten somewhere... Jun 29 21:51:54 lbt give me a few minutes, I'll review your code Jun 29 21:52:25 crashanddie_: I think it's the whole app that's the problem, not the class (99% sure) Jun 29 21:53:15 crashanddie_: but yes please ! :) Jun 29 21:53:37 ok :) ten minutes sound good? Jun 29 21:54:07 fine - would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? Jun 29 21:54:15 hmm lbt, i think you are right, the basic functions working (both tested and confirmed) Jun 29 21:54:29 its when you get into making the callbacks and using mem_fun Jun 29 21:54:36 when I call it from a menu callback - yes Jun 29 21:54:37 yes Jun 29 21:55:19 i think anyway Jun 29 21:55:27 being a n00b and all.. Jun 29 21:55:33 does that sigc::bind and sigc::mem_fun look right to you? Jun 29 21:55:57 no, it all looks illogical but thats cos i know nothing about gtk Jun 29 21:56:23 I only started learning this stuff on friday.... it's nice at first but the stl and some of the gtkmm stuff is a tad hairy... Jun 29 21:56:38 you using maemomm or gtkmm ? Jun 29 21:56:41 lol Jun 29 21:56:55 :D its fun being on the bleeding edge Jun 29 21:57:01 I'm compiling in sbox Jun 29 21:57:08 so I guess maemomm Jun 29 21:57:09 lbt, crashanddie_ is a ++ old hand Jun 29 21:57:15 ah... Jun 29 21:57:31 im goin havin a bath Jun 29 21:57:34 have fun Jun 29 21:57:43 thanks for the help Jun 29 21:57:49 and sanity check :) Jun 29 21:57:51 l8r Jun 29 21:58:18 lbt, maemomm is in fact gtkmm ported to the maemo platform, so it includes bindings for this platform Jun 29 21:58:47 yep - maemomm then Jun 29 21:58:58 it's a full, nice, working maemo app Jun 29 21:59:16 but they are separate :P Jun 29 21:59:18 I've done a quick armel build and copied the binary to my tablet and it's good Jun 29 21:59:27 all the docs are gtkmm Jun 29 21:59:54 and I got caught by Glib::ustring::compose not being in maemomm Jun 29 22:01:33 crashanddie_: would you like a tarball? and do you have sbox/autotools? Jun 29 22:02:13 yeah Jun 29 22:02:42 but gimme a sec, when you see another crashanddie connect, send me thr link Jun 29 22:02:47 this is my nit Jun 29 22:10:59 let me know when it gets there... Jun 29 22:12:10 ah, so cool, you can upload and boot a kernel onto n810 without flashhing it... Jun 29 22:13:06 nice Jun 29 22:13:09 * Toba_ did not know that Jun 29 22:13:22 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220295 < this looks to be the biggest thing you can get for an n810 right now... Jun 29 22:13:34 nothing else in minisd/microsd form factor is as big Jun 29 22:13:49 can't find the mini or micro sdhc in anything bigger than an 8 Jun 29 22:14:49 there aren't any Jun 29 22:14:56 yeah, I didn't think so Jun 29 22:15:06 sandisk is supposedly coming out with them this month, but this month is almost over and I don't see 'em Jun 29 22:15:38 a cool yet unnoticed yet feature of Diablo is that it registers a hostname with DHCP server Jun 29 22:15:47 that's pretty cool Jun 29 22:15:49 i had to patch chinook for that Jun 29 22:15:58 and not I don't. Yes thats cool :) Jun 29 22:16:08 the gdbserver idea isn't quite working - I can connect - but any attempt to run gives a shared object file problem Jun 29 22:16:41 gdb in the scratchbox works fine Jun 29 22:17:33 I guess it's because my host doesn't have libhildonmm so installed... Jun 29 22:22:42 lbt, commands to execute, I'm not used to automake Jun 29 22:22:43 ? Jun 29 22:23:04 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b Jun 29 22:23:08 hmm Jun 29 22:23:38 it's the maemopad example IIRC Jun 29 22:23:48 ./configure: line 1259: syntax error near unexpected token `shopper,' Jun 29 22:24:12 are you in a scratchbox? Jun 29 22:24:16 yeah Jun 29 22:25:03 ah - have you done apt-get install intltool Jun 29 22:25:11 it needs a later version than std Jun 29 22:25:17 (don't ask me why...) Jun 29 22:25:36 I mainly just followed the tutorial... Jun 29 22:25:49 same error Jun 29 22:25:58 I get a syntax error in ./configure Jun 29 22:26:01 Shitstorm of stupidity on itT . . . fun Jun 29 22:26:14 GeneralAntilles, mostly why I'm not that active on it Jun 29 22:26:29 I remember when itT was cool and useful. . . . Jun 29 22:26:32 Those days are long gone. Jun 29 22:26:45 I'm having the feeling all online communities have those passes Jun 29 22:27:26 lbt, does your automake work ? Jun 29 22:27:41 I like the guys that ask about the Chinook/Diablo Extras error and the answer is on every page for 10 pages back. . . . Jun 29 22:27:50 all the way to a shopper file Jun 29 22:27:58 doesn't do the .po stuff yet Jun 29 22:28:03 sent you a new tarball Jun 29 22:28:04 lbt, if so, open up the configure file, and check the line 1259 Jun 29 22:28:10 oh, ok Jun 29 22:28:23 the tarball is post-autoconfig but then make clean Jun 29 22:28:28 target is x86 Jun 29 22:28:58 why would you want to work with target x86 ? Jun 29 22:29:17 scratcbox/xephyr? Jun 29 22:29:32 ble Jun 29 22:29:38 it's easy for me - just works :) Jun 29 22:29:42 yeah, sure Jun 29 22:29:50 big monitors... very big ;) Jun 29 22:30:59 didn't get any new tarball Jun 29 22:31:13 brb, gotta get some nicotine in my lungs (and probably some other shit too) Jun 29 22:32:16 ok Jun 29 22:33:58 lbt, still no new email Jun 29 22:34:11 just resent and cc'ed my gmail account Jun 29 22:34:16 is there any 'fake gps' system for os2008 which uses wifi location? Jun 29 22:34:28 I guess it's too big (500k) Jun 29 22:34:41 gmail accepts up to 15M Jun 29 22:34:43 300k Jun 29 22:34:45 got it Jun 29 22:35:07 good Jun 29 22:35:33 (I've not!!) Jun 29 22:36:32 ok, this one works Jun 29 22:36:41 cool Jun 29 22:36:47 lbt, i got the bigger one after the smaller one Jun 29 22:37:02 lcuk: you clean now? Jun 29 22:37:13 yes thx Jun 29 22:37:20 that's what make clean does when you aim it wrong... Jun 29 22:39:13 oh what the... Jun 29 22:39:13 No package 'libossoemailinterface' found Jun 29 22:40:11 fakeroot apt-get install libhildonmm-dev libhildon-fmmm-dev ??? Jun 29 22:40:25 done Jun 29 22:44:54 in gdb how do I set a watchpoint on a C++ private variable? Jun 29 22:45:17 no ddd so it's a bit of a pain :( Jun 29 22:45:18 shackan look into triangulation, specifically the skyhook project Jun 29 22:45:29 heres a link to get you started http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/02/19/wi_fi_triangulation Jun 29 22:45:55 but I did a breakpoint just aftet the class is instantiated and then tried to watch the class.var Jun 29 22:46:01 but it doesn't break... Jun 29 22:48:21 lbt, I can't build it, no matter if I'm under x86 or armel, still that libossoemailinterface problem Jun 29 22:48:51 hmm - OK, let me look here... Jun 29 22:49:51 can you remove that -l from the Makefile? Jun 29 22:51:36 file:line ? Jun 29 22:51:51 toplevel Makefile :100 Jun 29 22:51:59 HILDON_LIBS Jun 29 22:52:07 is xfce on the n800 ok? Jun 29 22:52:11 anybody have that? Jun 29 22:52:12 yep Jun 29 22:52:30 still works without that -lossoemailli...... Jun 29 22:52:54 erhm Jun 29 22:53:10 I don't have a file shopper/Makefile Jun 29 22:53:59 in the ./ directory (below src?) Jun 29 22:54:11 did I miss it somehow in the tar? Jun 29 22:54:42 nope - it's there AFAICS... Jun 29 22:54:52 -rw-rw-r-- david/greaves 25530 2008-06-29 22:00:04 Makefile Jun 29 22:55:19 did I send the wrong tar? Jun 29 22:55:20 lbt, ok, give me a path Jun 29 22:55:28 ./Makefile Jun 29 22:55:30 :D Jun 29 22:55:35 that's not a path Jun 29 22:55:50 [sbox-DIABLO_X86: ~/sources/shopper] > ls Makefile Jun 29 22:55:50 ls: Makefile: No such file or directory Jun 29 22:56:03 ~/sources/shopper/src] > ls Makefile Jun 29 22:56:03 ls: Makefile: No such file or directory Jun 29 22:56:09 I beleive ypu :) Jun 29 22:56:16 did I send the wrong tar? Jun 29 22:56:17 ... Jun 29 22:56:20 I dunno Jun 29 22:57:38 http://pastebin.com/d32d713b9 Jun 29 22:57:53 is what I meant to send... Jun 29 22:59:57 looks kinda the same, only I don't have the Makefile Jun 29 23:02:05 I'm starting to wonder why people insist on using complex building tools during development, when obviously, it causes more issues than anything else Jun 29 23:02:46 cause sorting the packaging out as you go is easier than dealing with a complex mess at the end? Jun 29 23:03:00 It's not helping though Jun 29 23:03:23 can you just do g++ `pkg ????` Jun 29 23:04:11 give me a command line, I'll execute it Jun 29 23:04:51 ok - lemme see Jun 29 23:07:36 i486-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I. -I. -DMAEMO_CHANGES -I/usr/include/hildonmm -I/usr/lib/hildonmm/include -I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gtkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/hildon-1 -I/usr/include/glibmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/glibmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/gdkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gdkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/pangomm-1.4 -I/usr/include/atkmm-1.6 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include Jun 29 23:07:37 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/cairomm-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fmmm -I/usr/lib/hildon-fmmm/include -I/usr/include/hildon-fm-2 -g -O2 -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/main.Tpo" \ Jun 29 23:07:37 -c -o main.o `test -f 'main.cc' || echo './'`main.cc; Jun 29 23:09:02 lbt, main.cc:124: fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/main.Tpo: No such file or directory Jun 29 23:09:26 here's a pastebin of my make: http://pastebin.com/d22f49380 Jun 29 23:09:41 OK - never mind Jun 29 23:10:03 the whole idea of following the tutorial was to do it "the right way" Jun 29 23:10:11 but clearly that's not happening Jun 29 23:10:43 lbt: if you want ddd, i build packages for chinook some time ago: http://helicoid.de/maemo/ Jun 29 23:10:45 I appreciate the effort you've put in though - thanks :) Jun 29 23:11:07 sorry I couldn't be of more help Jun 29 23:11:16 jott: thanks - that would be good - I'd started to do it through gdb but that hurts! Jun 29 23:11:41 well, i'll go bughunting again Jun 29 23:11:46 cheers Jun 29 23:11:54 crashanddie not at all ... Jun 29 23:11:58 cheers Jun 29 23:28:13 andre___, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3345 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3344 duplicate? :D Jun 29 23:48:25 Anybody know how often the repository updates take place in the background? Jun 29 23:48:31 (in Diablo) Jun 29 23:49:01 GeneralAntilles, should be easy to check with some apt sniffing Jun 29 23:49:10 nothing, I'm sure, you can't handle Jun 29 23:49:20 Yeah, but it's easier for somebody who already knows to tell me. :P Jun 29 23:49:20 but I'd guess it's once every 24 hours, at most Jun 29 23:50:07 wouldnt it just use a timed check only when app manager is run Jun 29 23:50:18 why would there necessarily be a cron/at job? Jun 29 23:50:41 Update notifications Jun 29 23:50:46 that would save a lot of unneeded bandwidth Jun 29 23:51:04 repo update is really not a lot of bandwidth Jun 29 23:51:07 GeneralAntilles: yeah but is maemo designed to tell you on the fly if there are updates? Jun 29 23:51:10 There wouldn't be much point in having update notifications if it didn't check automatically. Jun 29 23:51:14 Diablo is Jun 29 23:51:20 Tenkawa, that's one of the Diablo features... :/ Jun 29 23:51:41 yeah but that could get chatty Jun 29 23:52:02 just open up the image and see if theres a cron/at job Jun 29 23:52:08 No cron Jun 29 23:52:11 that would be the likely mechanism Jun 29 23:52:20 or possibly system-monitpr Jun 29 23:52:23 er monitor Jun 29 23:52:31 It'd be alarmd if anything. Jun 29 23:53:46 anyway Jun 29 23:53:47 I'm out Jun 29 23:54:14 How do you mean "chatty", anyway? Jun 29 23:54:25 getting eaten by a whole army of mosquitoes out here Jun 29 23:54:29 It's just downloading a few zipped up text files. Jun 29 23:54:37 Mosquitos in France? Jun 29 23:54:58 what, you think there's no insects here ? Jun 29 23:55:12 Nah, but mosquitos. . . . Jun 29 23:55:22 ?? Jun 29 23:55:41 Nevermind. :P Jun 29 23:55:50 a mosquito is a mosquito right ? It's just something that sucks blood out of ya Jun 29 23:57:12 anyway Jun 29 23:57:13 hmm, whats the check interval for updates in diablo? Jun 29 23:57:23 lol. . . . Jun 29 23:57:23 DJEEZUS SCROLL UP Jun 29 23:58:49 i could have sworn i looked and found nothing, sorry... Jun 29 23:59:48 bah, there are days/weeks/months where i should just have stayed in bed... Jun 30 00:00:11 t_s_o, did you ever file a bug on those right/down-shifted dialogs? Jun 30 00:00:34 GeneralAntilles: nope, as they seems to have gone away after i had a reboot Jun 30 00:00:43 I saw one once Jun 30 00:00:49 So I can at least confirm that it happens. Jun 30 00:00:50 and i have no clue what triggered it... Jun 30 00:01:23 hell, im starting to wonder if i should reflash, and this time just forget about restoring from backup... Jun 30 00:05:46 one thing is sure tho, diablo seems to really have cleaned up the sensor issues on the screen :) Jun 30 00:06:36 hildon desktop keeps rebooting on me anytime i try to change any of the widgets though Jun 30 00:06:59 hmm, dont think i have seen that happen Jun 30 00:07:17 unless you happen to use omweather that is... Jun 30 00:07:38 yeah, its been doing it since i sinstalled it Jun 30 00:07:44 and i havent removed it yet Jun 30 00:07:54 and my bluetooth dun doesnt seem to want to work anymore Jun 30 00:08:19 dun works fine here Jun 30 00:09:00 love that update all button :D Jun 30 00:10:04 Woo, update all Jun 30 00:10:26 yeah, dun isnt working for me Jun 30 00:10:37 right as my phone connects the n810 drops te connection and tells me failed Jun 30 00:13:58 crap crap crap, i think i just had gpe calendar eat all data in a sync :( Jun 30 00:14:39 and it seems to have been interpreted as a approved change down the sync chain even... Jun 30 00:15:04 suck Jun 30 00:15:37 indeed. i figured i could restore the computers calender by resyncing with the one i had on the phone. but what happened was that the phone was emptied out as well :S Jun 30 00:16:37 i just use 30boxes to do all my cal mess Jun 30 00:16:46 heh Jun 30 00:17:18 luckily i dont have to worry about an offline calendar Jun 30 00:18:14 not big of a loss tho, as only one entry was not already expired... Jun 30 00:18:37 im not surprised that it got deleted the way it was... Jun 30 00:18:37 thats good then Jun 30 00:18:53 err, im just... Jun 30 00:46:08 weird, python didnt show up in apt for me Jun 30 00:47:02 Stskeeps: Still here? Jun 30 00:49:15 ugh, bluetooth dun doesnt work worth a crap now Jun 30 00:49:19 oh by 5h3 2qy Jun 30 00:49:27 rudk 708 qll Jun 30 00:50:08 hey acydlord Jun 30 00:50:13 ever take acid Jun 30 00:50:13 yo Jun 30 00:50:19 not in a long time Jun 30 00:50:29 well then i want your opinion on something Jun 30 00:50:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 Jun 30 00:51:10 I AM ACYDLORD Jun 30 00:51:21 if i can get that to load, i'm working with sub dialup speeds at the moment Jun 30 00:51:47 yeah well, be less banal with your next nick Jun 30 00:52:24 trippy Jun 30 00:52:34 it's a fucking good video Jun 30 00:55:36 thats not loading for me at the moment Jun 30 00:55:46 my neighbors seriously need a better router Jun 30 00:56:35 Christmas is only 6 months away Jun 30 00:58:30 looks like i'm gonna have to go back to chinook if i want to be able to use my evdo Jun 30 00:58:42 DUN works fine here Jun 30 00:58:56 not for me for some reason Jun 30 01:01:08 as soon as my phone says its connected the n810 says failed to connect Jun 30 01:02:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wnOUH2jk8 Jun 30 01:02:37 watch Jun 30 01:02:41 GeneralAntilles: please Jun 30 01:02:46 as a favor to me Jun 30 01:02:57 I did. :P Jun 30 01:02:59 It's trippy Jun 30 01:03:39 there's things toi thingt abkout Jun 30 01:03:48 Trippy isn't _bad_ Jun 30 01:04:00 i'm done man Jun 30 01:04:23 justg here to keep in touch with you and others Jun 30 01:04:29 Done? Jun 30 01:04:34 i'm so fucking done Jun 30 01:04:43 end. Jun 30 01:05:13 With Nokia? With the tablets? Jun 30 01:05:35 no danger of bye bye Jun 30 01:20:31 <|penguinbait|> thats something to think about alright :) Jun 30 01:51:19 I'm trying to use PyBluez to receive on a Bluetooth RFCOMM socket, but it just hangs until I close the connection. Anybody have a similar issue? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 30 02:59:56 2008