**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 02 02:59:56 2008
Jul 02 03:06:11 <Grackle_> Yay. *makes gforth on his N800*
Jul 02 03:18:08 * GeneralAntilles makes a note about osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked.
Jul 02 03:19:00 <Navi> woo
Jul 02 03:25:43 <GeneralAntilles> Probably somebody needs to get on this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21496 :\
Jul 02 03:25:53 <EruditeHermit> hey, so does android work with n800 touchscreen?
Jul 02 03:28:51 <Navi> Mmm
Jul 02 03:29:03 <Navi> Whenever someone sees the N800, they think it's a phone :/
Jul 02 03:31:54 <EruditeHermit> no there is an android port
Jul 02 03:32:00 <EruditeHermit> for it that PB worked on
Jul 02 03:38:47 <Navi> Nah, I wasn't saying anything in relation to what you said
Jul 02 03:52:31 <nn800n> wait it's not a phone?!
Jul 02 03:52:56 <nn800n> that's be a good wallpaper
Jul 02 03:52:59 <nn800n> NOT A PHONE
Jul 02 03:53:05 <nn800n> giant letters
Jul 02 04:38:23 <skibur> what is the pc version of numptyphysics?
Jul 02 04:38:51 <jacques_> same I think
Jul 02 04:38:59 <jacques_> I compiled it on my laptop the other day
Jul 02 04:39:01 <Navi> ???
Jul 02 04:39:17 <jacques_> oh, do you mean windows version?
Jul 02 04:39:35 <skibur> ?
Jul 02 04:39:42 <skibur> no for linux
Jul 02 04:40:20 <jacques_> ok, I compiled the source on my laptop and it works
Jul 02 04:41:03 <skibur> from here? http://thpinfo.com/2008/numptyphysics/
Jul 02 04:42:05 <jacques_> I checked out the svn tree
Jul 02 04:42:40 <jacques_> https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638
Jul 02 04:43:20 <skibur> o ok
Jul 02 04:43:21 <skibur> thanks
Jul 02 04:45:49 * skibur is giving ubuntu a try
Jul 02 04:57:07 <skibur> what did you do to compile it?
Jul 02 04:57:10 <skibur> make?
Jul 02 05:20:05 <Kyrubas> So out of curiosity, has anyone here gotten python2.5 working on Diablo
Jul 02 05:20:35 <johnx> yes, I think so. it's a canola2 dependency, isn't it?
Jul 02 05:21:07 <johnx> yup, installed and working here
Jul 02 05:24:13 <Kyrubas> it's a dependency for many things
Jul 02 05:24:13 <Kyrubas> hmm, I'm begining to think this shouldn't be as troublesome as it is being
Jul 02 05:24:13 <Kyrubas> If you don't mind me asking, how did you get it to install?
Jul 02 05:24:44 <johnx> I enabled maemo Extras, set the distribution field to chinook and installed canola2
Jul 02 05:28:52 <skibur> Works for me too
Jul 02 05:29:54 <Kyrubas> ah, ok, I remember going to that section, but I didn't set the field to chinook when I did
Jul 02 05:30:09 <Kyrubas> but now that that is done, it might work for me now
Jul 02 05:30:56 <johnx> or you can just run apt-get install python2.5 as root
Jul 02 05:33:31 <Kyrubas> oddly enough that was the first thing I tried and it failed on me :/
Jul 02 05:33:57 <GeneralAntilles> "Failed" how?
Jul 02 05:34:34 <GeneralAntilles> Try an "apt-get -f install"?
Jul 02 05:37:29 <Sargun> I need openssh for Diablo
Jul 02 05:37:50 <johnx> just use the one for chinook
Jul 02 05:38:00 <skibur> openssh on diablo works for me too
Jul 02 05:38:19 <skibur> easiest way to get root
Jul 02 05:38:20 <skibur> :P
Jul 02 05:38:33 <johnx> ah, is openssh in diablo extras now?
Jul 02 05:38:38 <skibur> yes
Jul 02 05:38:43 <johnx> neat
Jul 02 05:38:50 <johnx> nevermind my earlier comment then :)
Jul 02 05:38:58 <skibur> :P
Jul 02 05:39:57 <skibur> later
Jul 02 05:40:01 <skibur> need to go to bed
Jul 02 05:40:07 <johnx> 'night
Jul 02 05:55:32 <qwerty12> Hi, I'm looking at a diff and and applying it manually. Iis an // part of the patch, i.e I have to make a change to the line when I see // (just like I have to remove a line when I see - )
Jul 02 05:55:42 <qwerty12> s/Iis/Is
Jul 02 05:56:13 <zap> Anybody knows what the Nokia' X11 extension XSPSetThumbPressure() does?
Jul 02 05:57:09 <zap> qwerty12: what's the question?
Jul 02 05:58:02 <qwerty12> You know in diff files, if you are applying them manually, if you see a "-" in front, you remove that line in the file etc. My question is that does a "//" signify anything like that?
Jul 02 05:58:44 <zap> do you mean the line in .diff file begins with // ?
Jul 02 05:58:59 <qwerty12> Oh, sorry, I just remembered they are comments.
Jul 02 05:59:05 <qwerty12> Thanks for the help.
Jul 02 05:59:10 <zap> they are comments in C++
Jul 02 05:59:28 <zap> it's not valid diff syntax though
Jul 02 05:59:36 <johnx> qwerty12, congrats on the android patches :D
Jul 02 06:00:21 <qwerty12> johnx, Thanks! I'm currently porting the N810 only touchscreenfix to the N800's touchscreen driver. Doesn't seem to be hard (so far...) :)
Jul 02 06:00:31 <zap> it's either somebody accidentally removed + or - in front of //, or the person who did the patch inserted a comment under // himself, but then I don't see why - usually people insert plain comments at the beginning of the diff
Jul 02 06:00:57 <johnx> could be context, right?
Jul 02 06:01:10 <johnx> if it begins with a space
Jul 02 06:01:20 <zap> yes
Jul 02 06:01:24 <qwerty12> I just got confused because I saw "+//	idev = android_idev;" and I thought why would you want that commented.
Jul 02 06:01:46 <zap> exactly, the patch author commented that line
Jul 02 06:01:52 <johnx> aah, right, I assume the patch comments out old code
Jul 02 06:02:16 <johnx> probably preceded by - idev = android_idev;
Jul 02 06:02:52 <jott> qwerty12: could you provide a diff of your ported patches?
Jul 02 06:03:43 <zap> is android x11 based?
Jul 02 06:03:52 <jott> ugh.. those postinsts in the android debs look *evil*
Jul 02 06:04:10 <qwerty12> jott, I plan to :). Except I just need to repack a clean kernel source because atm, I'm applying a patch and then replacing files by hand.
Jul 02 06:04:12 <johnx> zap, nope. it writes directly to the framebuffer
Jul 02 06:04:18 <zap> omg
Jul 02 06:04:24 <qwerty12> Yep, framebuffer.
Jul 02 06:04:33 <zap> back to stone ages
Jul 02 06:04:38 * jott will install android manually
Jul 02 06:04:51 <qwerty12> I'm surprised no one has complained about maemo being much slower.
Jul 02 06:04:53 <zap> it implements his own widget set?
Jul 02 06:05:10 <qwerty12> The android .config insisted on automatic framebuffer and we know the speed of that >.<
Jul 02 06:05:26 <qwerty12> I need to turn it off and get penguinbait to use fb_update_mode.
Jul 02 06:05:30 <jott> zap: android is quasi-java based with its own windowing/widget toolkit
Jul 02 06:06:03 <qwerty12> The history menu in android beats the microb one any day.
Jul 02 06:06:12 <jott> is the android image based on m5 or is this older?
Jul 02 06:06:23 <jott> the blog screenshots look like an old version ;)
Jul 02 06:06:34 <qwerty12> From what I remember, it's the old one. The latest won't boot.
Jul 02 06:06:40 <jott> mh
Jul 02 06:07:07 <jott> ~curse google for not giving the android source
Jul 02 06:07:08 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, google for not giving the android source !
Jul 02 06:07:19 <qwerty12> And it never will do. Nokia seriously sucked some hard balls over the decision of the multimedia hardware.
Jul 02 06:07:21 <qwerty12> "m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. "
Jul 02 06:07:33 <jott> mh
Jul 02 06:07:40 <jott> hm..
Jul 02 06:08:08 <zap> ah, it's not even opensource
Jul 02 06:08:23 <qwerty12> Some of the best bits of maemo aren't :/
Jul 02 06:08:25 <johnx> it will be open sourced
Jul 02 06:08:26 <jott> it is *supposed* to be opensource but at the moment its a false promise
Jul 02 06:08:29 <zap> then I don't see why one would lose his free time on this
Jul 02 06:08:39 <johnx> s/it/android/
Jul 02 06:08:39 <infobot> johnx meant: android will be open sourced
Jul 02 06:09:06 <zap> s/lose/spend/
Jul 02 06:09:06 <infobot> zap meant: then I don't see why one would spend his free time on this
Jul 02 06:09:20 <johnx> people like hacking on stuff
Jul 02 06:09:35 <johnx> but after a little bit of hacking I felt the same way
Jul 02 06:09:38 <jott> http://www.android-freeware.org/tutorial/how-to-install-apk-files-on-android-device-emulator looks saner than copying the data to some app dir..
Jul 02 06:10:08 <johnx> yeah, android will probably be a nice platform for phones
Jul 02 06:10:12 <zap> so at the moment Android is open promise software :)
Jul 02 06:10:25 <jott> zap: heh exactly ;)
Jul 02 06:10:26 <qwerty12> jott, I think you need an ssh to do that
Jul 02 06:10:43 <jott> qwerty12: where is the problem with ssh? ;)
Jul 02 06:11:06 <jott> you could probably also do this on the terminal..
Jul 02 06:11:24 <qwerty12> None, but I don't feel like connecting my N800 to the computer to install an app. That's one of the things I love about linux and my N800, I don't have to be tethered to a computer like my PocketPC.
Jul 02 06:12:14 <GeneralAntilles> What's the explanation behind this error? "W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )" Should I bother filing a bug on it?
Jul 02 06:12:46 <jott> qwerty12: yeah well i bet this would also work in a chrooted xterm session on the device
Jul 02 06:13:47 <qwerty12> Well, if you can get out of the android chroot without a reboot ;). Also, when I was playing with it on my N800, I don't remember seeing a console.
Jul 02 06:14:12 <qwerty12> BTW, thanks for the rotation patch, it applies fine to diablo kernel.
Jul 02 06:14:50 <jott> qwerty12: before starting android you have to install the stuff i guess.. well it's all a big hack anyway
Jul 02 06:15:01 <qwerty12> True
Jul 02 06:15:47 <qwerty12> BTW, lshal says my touchscreen on N800 is TSC2301. This means I should be modifying drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2301_ts.c right? (dumb question but I don't know with kernels :P)
Jul 02 06:16:24 <jott> GeneralAntilles: the repos http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ are password protected
Jul 02 06:16:34 <jott> erm http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/
Jul 02 06:16:53 <jott> qwerty12: sounds reasonable ;)
Jul 02 06:16:54 <qwerty12> I'd have thought that the password would have been removed by now.
Jul 02 06:17:22 <qwerty12> Ah well, my changes applied to it. Time to recompile and see if my touchscreen works too.
Jul 02 06:17:43 <qwerty12> I feel so dirty compiling linux kernel under windows. :(
Jul 02 06:20:04 <jott> http://xkcd.com/444/ hah nice one ;)
Jul 02 06:30:22 <qwerty12> Oops. http://pastebin.com/d7a3b9589 . I think I compiled the shipped kernel like that too...
Jul 02 06:30:53 <johnx> scary
Jul 02 06:31:19 <johnx> I guess if it works it doesn't matter
Jul 02 06:31:45 * johnx remembers running into ... issues after an unclean patch to ide.c
Jul 02 06:31:57 <qwerty12> Ouch.
Jul 02 06:32:18 <johnx> after the clicking died down and I pulled the plug the drive worked ok though O_o
Jul 02 06:32:24 <jott> heh well ide is a bit more sensitive than touchscreen ;)
Jul 02 06:34:00 * GeneralAntilles is finally getting around to moving his Diablo install to SD.
Jul 02 06:34:42 <qwerty12> Heh, I once "obtained" an game for my dreamcast and when I would put it in, the dreamcast used to go crazy. I think the GD-Rom drive was possesed by woody the woodpecker.
Jul 02 06:35:15 <jott> GeneralAntilles: yeah good idea, mine still has this dead chinook install on it..
Jul 02 06:36:28 * qwerty12 head kills. Too much sleep-deprivation.
Jul 02 06:40:55 <qwerty12> Ok, to set the framebuffer back into manual (kernel wise, I don't mean in maemo where I would then use fb_update_mode), I change "# CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE is not set" to "CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y" in .config right? Any other changes needed?
Jul 02 06:42:21 <jott> qwerty12: you can set this at runtime via ioctl
Jul 02 06:42:43 <qwerty12> I know that :)
Jul 02 06:44:17 <qwerty12> ah fcuk it, I'll change it to yes anyway. having it on auto is just too slow anyway.
Jul 02 06:53:46 <qwerty12> Hmm, I really need an opinion on this one: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer
Jul 02 06:54:06 <qwerty12> If that works, I could try making the latest run.
Jul 02 06:54:56 <jott> nope, we have the crappy epson lcd controller with only 1mb memory
Jul 02 06:55:35 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, you have an overview of your linuxrc changes for bootmenu up somewhere?
Jul 02 06:55:43 <GeneralAntilles> and I should be able to mount the Diablo initfs rw, right?
Jul 02 06:56:10 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I have it in a initfs.jffs2 image which I am unable to mount because I am under windows.
Jul 02 06:56:18 <qwerty12> In theory yes. Give me a sec.
Jul 02 06:56:18 <hrw> morning
Jul 02 06:56:21 <qwerty12> morning
Jul 02 06:56:29 <jott> morning hrw
Jul 02 06:56:30 <hrw> GeneralAntilles: mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw
Jul 02 06:56:55 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Which changes are you interested in?
Jul 02 06:56:56 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, thanks, hrw. :)
Jul 02 06:57:04 <GeneralAntilles> Just the color inversion.
Jul 02 06:57:11 <hrw> I removed printing of r&d infos
Jul 02 06:57:41 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Oh. I replaced my half arsed job with KotCzarny's mod. But his website is gone now :/
Jul 02 06:58:46 <qwerty12> If you still have that file I sent you a long time ago, you can use a text comparision program on it. It's how I "ported" KotCzarny's mod onto the diablo initfs's when I used to rip them.
Jul 02 06:59:01 * jott needs to setup a uclibc toolchain to compile stuff for the initfs :)
Jul 02 06:59:34 <qwerty12> I hate that stuff >.< . I remember trying to compile a ulibc toolchain for my router >.<
Jul 02 06:59:50 <hrw> thats why I like OpenEmbedded
Jul 02 07:00:03 <hrw> switching uclibc/glibc is a matter of one variable
Jul 02 07:00:31 <qwerty12> Cool. Bye.
Jul 02 07:00:44 * jott hands hrw the magic wand to force nokia to use oe :)
Jul 02 07:02:16 <hrw> jott: I would rather force them to use Poky (which is OE based) because thats what I am working on
Jul 02 07:03:05 <jott> hah yeah infecting nokia with more GPL stuff :)
Jul 02 07:26:38 * RST38h would prefer that Nokia finishes sb2
Jul 02 07:26:53 <RST38h> Don't want to deal with *another* SDK and its quirks
Jul 02 07:27:35 <Dekaritae> I need a keyboard driver
Jul 02 07:28:09 <Dekaritae> For a USB keyboard, with a Fn key
Jul 02 07:28:29 <johnx> does it work at all?
Jul 02 07:28:53 <Dekaritae> The current driver in Diablo doesn't "see" the Fn key and so it acts like the key is always held down, rendering the right half of the qwerty area unusable
Jul 02 07:29:18 <johnx> not a driver issue. that sounds like a keymap issue
Jul 02 07:29:40 <johnx> anyways, AFK for a while
Jul 02 07:40:23 <zapppp> is there any way to disable maemo's icd daemon?
Jul 02 07:54:57 <hrw> I would like to have 'rather useless experirements' section for packages like PackageView
Jul 02 07:58:19 <|tbb|> could anyone tell me how this agps on n810 will work under diabolo, my fix is not faster for my opinion
Jul 02 07:59:21 <GeneralAntilles> |tbb|, Nokia has a beta labs page up.
Jul 02 08:02:29 <hrw> heh... SSU check only user/ pacakges
Jul 02 08:02:47 <hrw> apt-get said '27 upgrades'
Jul 02 08:06:58 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: what does this means?
Jul 02 08:08:05 <icefox> Just curious, how much goes into porting the qt4 apps? http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ported.html
Jul 02 08:11:23 <vegai> I'm curious whether Nokia is working on replacing the desktop with qt4 something
Jul 02 08:12:09 <hrw> not for next release
Jul 02 08:12:17 <hrw> according to Quim talk on linuxtag
Jul 02 08:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> vegai, no.
Jul 02 08:12:45 <GeneralAntilles> GTK isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Jul 02 08:12:51 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 02 08:16:08 <EruditeHermit> hey, has anyone got this when installing android: cp: cannot stat './root/android-installer/sandroid.sh': No such file or directory
Jul 02 08:16:17 <EruditeHermit> if so, how did you work around this
Jul 02 08:29:38 * Jaffa ponders a talk on using mud to port packages and manage your source bundles for the Maemo Summit
Jul 02 08:34:12 <vegai> right
Jul 02 09:32:30 <lcuk> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jul 02 09:32:42 <X-Fade> What's up?
Jul 02 09:32:57 <lcuk> :) nothin major, just the daily grind
Jul 02 09:33:36 <lcuk> i occasionally need to release. im digging through legacy code here and its melting my head
Jul 02 09:55:52 <eichi_> some people use dualboot on this nxxx ?
Jul 02 09:55:57 <eichi_> does this work anymore?
Jul 02 09:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine. . . .
Jul 02 09:59:32 <eichi_> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ this one?
Jul 02 10:00:10 <GeneralAntilles> Just use penguinbait's deb http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639
Jul 02 10:09:01 <eichi_> GeneralAntilles, this sounds strange
Jul 02 10:09:20 <eichi_> does it use ext3 or damn vfat? what about a 4GB sd card?
Jul 02 10:15:22 <hendry> to get sshd running diablo, do i need to do that red pill crap again?
Jul 02 10:18:03 <GeneralAntilles> Er, when did you ever need red pill for SSH? :\
Jul 02 10:18:08 <GeneralAntilles> and why not just install it and find out?
Jul 02 10:19:25 <hendry> ah, i think you just need to enable the repo :)
Jul 02 10:31:12 <hendry> Err http://ftp.mozilla.org diablo/release Packages 302 Found
Jul 02 10:31:12 <hendry> Failed to fetch http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/dists/diablo/release/binary-armel/Packages.gz  302 Found
Jul 02 10:31:17 <eichi_> i will do boot menu by hand. this strange deb package looks not nice
Jul 02 10:31:20 <hendry> isn't 302 found a good thing?
Jul 02 10:31:55 <eichi_> using a deb package for partition is evil enought
Jul 02 10:45:09 <pupnik> And if i wear apathy's crown
Jul 02 10:45:13 <pupnik> don't call me highness
Jul 02 10:45:16 <pupnik> it's a long
Jul 02 10:45:18 <pupnik> way
Jul 02 10:45:20 <pupnik> down
Jul 02 10:46:19 <pupnik> lcuk_work: any luck with that little money transfer?
Jul 02 10:51:42 <zapppp> could someone help me with internet connectivity related problem?
Jul 02 10:53:05 <zapppp> I would like to disable ICd while I'm using ad-hoc network because I don't want to connect automatically to another network if for example user open browser
Jul 02 10:54:54 <zapppp> i tried to directly kill the daemon with kill icd but it makes my tablet to reboot
Jul 02 10:57:04 <zapppp> is there some way to block connectivity daemon from opening new connections?
Jul 02 10:58:05 <pupnik> good question
Jul 02 11:00:12 <X-Fade> zapppp: off-line mode?
Jul 02 11:00:22 <timeless> hello world
Jul 02 11:00:58 <timeless> mxr.maemo.org should be live *now*
Jul 02 11:01:10 <timeless> please uninstall the dns package if you have it :)
Jul 02 11:01:33 <timeless> note that it's a slightly dated version of mxr, i'm trying to merge a newer upstream now to pull in fixes... but merging is hell
Jul 02 11:01:37 <timeless> way too many branches
Jul 02 11:02:50 <hrw> ApplicationManager should show from which version to which version it does upgrade
Jul 02 11:03:01 <hrw> without having to go into details view
Jul 02 11:03:32 <timeless> hrw: file a bug :)
Jul 02 11:03:51 <X-Fade> Or submit a patch. I'm sure they will accept it.
Jul 02 11:03:51 <timeless> anyway, it'd be nice if people started hitting mxr :)
Jul 02 11:03:58 <timeless> x-fade: i wouldn't bet on that :)
Jul 02 11:03:59 * sp3000 hits mxr
Jul 02 11:04:02 <timeless> there's a specification against it :)
Jul 02 11:04:13 * sp3000 got an error message about httpd_conf or somesuch on the first attempt
Jul 02 11:04:36 <sp3000> seems to be fine now
Jul 02 11:04:38 <X-Fade> timeless: Well, I talked with Marius about doing experimental things in a branch.
Jul 02 11:05:15 <sp3000> why does experimenting on a branch make me think of something about "... sitting in a tree, ..."
Jul 02 11:06:08 <hrw> timeless: ;)
Jul 02 11:06:34 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, look awesome. :D
Jul 02 11:08:41 <pupnik> oh awesome awesome awesome http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/MichaelPenn/Long-Way-Down-Look-What-The-Cat-Drug-In--2162287
Jul 02 11:09:57 <timeless> gan: please fix up maemo.org to advertise it :)
Jul 02 11:10:08 <timeless> i'll blog about it sometime later today i guess
Jul 02 11:10:14 <timeless> i need to try to merge it first
Jul 02 11:10:30 <timeless> oh brother
Jul 02 11:10:42 <timeless> i suppose listing os2008 above diablo is kinda stupid isn't it? :(
Jul 02 11:11:19 <timeless> oh, and i'm kinda out of disk space, so some things aren't current (the garage tree is in a half state because i needed 22gb or so and didn't have it)
Jul 02 11:11:31 <timeless> but i doubt most people will be using garage right away
Jul 02 11:15:58 <timeless> hrm, does nokia.com even mention diablo?
Jul 02 11:16:48 <X-Fade> timeless: They call it Maemo 4.1 probably?
Jul 02 11:16:55 <timeless> x-fade: where?
Jul 02 11:17:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Anokia.com+diablo&btnG=Search
Jul 02 11:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/os2008.xhtml
Jul 02 11:17:32 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, it mentions Diablo.
Jul 02 11:43:45 <crashanddie_> hey
Jul 02 11:44:41 <crashanddie_> I tried installing Android, but don't get any shortcut in the extra menu
Jul 02 11:45:51 <pupnik> sounds like one of my packages
Jul 02 11:48:22 <crashanddie_> I followed penguinbait's post on the forum
Jul 02 11:55:10 <crashanddie> could anyone try to help me out for android ?
Jul 02 11:57:56 <pupnik> pm penguinbait maybe
Jul 02 12:00:26 <pekuja> anyone know where I could find some info on making my own initfs / modifying the original?
Jul 02 12:03:11 <eichi_> what about the diablo release..i heard, that i dont need much different repositories anymore?
Jul 02 12:03:26 <eichi_> will nokia maintain now all on the extras repo?
Jul 02 12:05:31 <pupnik> all programs compiled by everyone on the planet?
Jul 02 12:06:30 <crashanddie> heya lcuk_work
Jul 02 12:06:37 <crashanddie> the other one, too
Jul 02 12:07:31 <eichi_> pupnik, you got it..no only tue common packages like pidgin, etc.
Jul 02 12:08:14 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ping?
Jul 02 12:09:49 <crashanddie> not so much for table tennis
Jul 02 12:15:16 <lcuk_work> did someone set off the bat signal?
Jul 02 12:15:31 <crashanddie> bat signal ?
Jul 02 12:16:11 <lcuk_work> yer, i can see my house from here at work and i can see xchat flashing above my location
Jul 02 12:16:29 * lcuk_work will never give up his window office seat
Jul 02 12:16:42 <crashanddie> hah
Jul 02 12:16:48 <crashanddie> yeah, I might have highlighted you
Jul 02 12:16:54 <crashanddie> * luck^ (n=Luciano@200.184.118.132) has joined #maemo
Jul 02 12:16:54 <crashanddie> (crashanddie) heya lcuk_work
Jul 02 12:17:32 <crashanddie> oh, is that so ? No route to me ?
Jul 02 12:20:15 <lcuk_work> crashanddie, you will have to let me know how good android is
Jul 02 12:20:26 <crashanddie> if I get it working, sure thing
Jul 02 12:20:29 <lcuk_work> lol
Jul 02 12:20:39 <lcuk_work> so far excellent, it does nothing very quickly
Jul 02 12:20:51 <lcuk_work> ++++++ would install again ;)
Jul 02 12:22:14 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, pong.
Jul 02 12:23:53 <lcuk_work> rm_you, hes right: have a bath
Jul 02 12:24:07 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Jul 02 12:24:15 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, wow, you're in bullet time my friend... 14 minutes ping
Jul 02 12:24:48 <GeneralAntilles> Was at the grocery store buying foods. :D
Jul 02 12:24:53 <lcuk_work> thats TCP for you :) at least the packet got though (yes, i know pings dont use tcp)
Jul 02 12:24:57 <crashanddie> YOU EAT ?
Jul 02 12:24:59 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Pong.
Jul 02 12:26:23 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, do you have a mic ?
Jul 02 12:26:30 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, at home, that is
Jul 02 12:26:58 <Jaffa> Grr. Bad day at work.
Jul 02 12:27:29 <crashanddie> I'm a noob
Jul 02 12:27:32 <lcuk_work> lol jaffa, wont beat mine.
Jul 02 12:27:41 <lcuk_work> crashanddie, ive got an 810 :) its got cam and mic, why
Jul 02 12:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, stick a paragraph or sentence about MXR somewhere in http://maemo.org/development/ ?
Jul 02 12:28:02 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, I'm on a small radio show
Jul 02 12:28:23 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, basically it's just a few mates cocking about tech stuff all around
Jul 02 12:28:42 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, it's not like we have a big audience, but still, it's fun... Wanna hang out ?
Jul 02 12:28:55 <GeneralAntilles> and it'd likely be worthwhile to get a News announcement together.
Jul 02 12:29:06 <crashanddie> (well, not immediately, it's around 8PM your time)
Jul 02 12:29:27 <lcuk_work> hmmm crashanddie doesnt sound like my cup of tea
Jul 02 12:29:36 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, did you finish those TPS reports?
Jul 02 12:29:50 <pupnik> hahaha
Jul 02 12:29:51 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, and delayed congratulations, Jaffa. =)
Jul 02 12:30:00 <lcuk_work> and jaffa, make sure you put a cover sheet on each one
Jul 02 12:30:06 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, k :)
Jul 02 12:30:34 * lcuk_work doesnt like the sound of his own voice
Jul 02 12:30:51 <crashanddie> yeah, I don't like your voice either, but could be fun :D
Jul 02 12:30:57 <crashanddie> (you asked for it :P)
Jul 02 12:31:10 <lcuk_work> .|..
Jul 02 12:31:11 <lcuk_work> :P
Jul 02 12:31:30 <GeneralAntilles> I love that piece of acsii. . . .
Jul 02 12:31:40 <GeneralAntilles> Now a little from the other hand! ..|.
Jul 02 12:32:04 <crashanddie> w00t
Jul 02 12:32:06 <crashanddie> android works
Jul 02 12:32:18 <lcuk_work> its not touch based is it
Jul 02 12:32:33 <crashanddie> it is
Jul 02 12:33:00 <lcuk_work> i thought it was geared to be usable on none touch devices (though obviously i was wrong and where touch is available its usable)
Jul 02 12:35:21 <lcuk_work> RIGHT, BACK TO THE GRIND
Jul 02 12:35:25 <lcuk_work> CYAS LATER
Jul 02 12:35:27 <lcuk_work> crap
Jul 02 12:37:49 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ta :)
Jul 02 12:38:00 <Atarii> i want android on the 770 :(
Jul 02 12:38:02 * Jaffa is seriously considering strangling someone... everyone..
Jul 02 12:38:12 <crashanddie> android is going to need heavy speed optimizations if it wants to be usable
Jul 02 12:38:24 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, that'd be one way to get the rest of the day off. :D
Jul 02 12:42:54 <florian> Atarii: why?
Jul 02 12:44:05 <timeless> gan: heh
Jul 02 12:44:21 <X-Fade> florian: You seem to be on the access list for #maemo, can you please add me there too?
Jul 02 12:46:19 <Atarii> florian why not :p
Jul 02 12:49:27 <pupnik> security buffs.  do not buy any recent laptops.
Jul 02 12:50:24 <pupnik> pre-centrino is the only safe hardware, afaik
Jul 02 12:51:26 <florian> X-Fade: I am?
Jul 02 12:52:01 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, afaics, it's dog slow, quite unstable, but looks promising
Jul 02 12:52:44 <X-Fade> florian: Is this you? *!n=fuchs@dns.kernelconcepts.de
Jul 02 12:52:46 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, I love how the browser doesn't lock up while browsing, even though it's loading, you can still move the page about with the stylus, same with maps, they seem to have great load balancing features
Jul 02 12:53:24 <florian> X-Fade: Looks like me, indeed...
Jul 02 12:54:03 <X-Fade> florian: It seems all others dropped off the map, so I want to put some new names in that list.
Jul 02 12:54:36 <X-Fade> florian: And I have already filed a form for freenode, but that can take a while ;)
Jul 02 12:55:34 <florian> X-Fade: Last time I did it took ages... even filing the form three times
Jul 02 12:55:40 <crashanddie> "but that is going to take a while" <-- fixed
Jul 02 12:56:06 <X-Fade> florian: Yeah, that is why I try the shortcut ;)
Jul 02 12:57:57 <florian> hrm, looks like I need to fix our gateway machine first :-/
Jul 02 12:58:15 <X-Fade> Aw :(
Jul 02 12:59:16 <florian> X-Fade: I have to take a look at this issue anyway, but I can't do it right now.
Jul 02 13:00:56 <GeneralAntilles> He's getting ready to impose his will upon us. :D
Jul 02 13:01:05 <pupnik> scott horton interviews Dr. Gareth Porter and Seymour Hersch.................................  http://antiwar.com/radio/
Jul 02 13:01:57 <jott> X-Fade: "Toni" is registered as founder and he still seems to be on freenode, maybe ping him?
Jul 02 13:02:12 <eichi_> what can i do with boot menu at the moment? kde? debian? and?
Jul 02 13:02:33 <florian> X-Fade: Oh wait, the gateway is fine - DNS is broken
Jul 02 13:02:44 <florian> ~lart qsc
Jul 02 13:02:44 * infobot whacks qsc with a giant beaver's tail
Jul 02 13:02:46 <hrw> Atarii: 770 is armv5te device so it should be able to run android
Jul 02 13:03:10 <jott> X-Fade: he could probably also set others +F...
Jul 02 13:03:35 <X-Fade> jott: Hmm indeed, I somehow missed that.
Jul 02 13:03:54 <florian> X-Fade: I colleague just seem to have noticed this too, he talks to the network provider right now :)
Jul 02 13:04:57 <Atarii> hrw, so far ive found this: http://www.android-internals.org/index.php?title=Nokia_770
Jul 02 13:05:21 <pupnik> Bird Bath mmeans Pickup Truck!
Jul 02 13:05:37 <pupnik> here's the whole show http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/2415/Anti-War_Radio_%2811am_on_Jul_1st%2C_2008%29.mp3
Jul 02 13:21:22 <eichi_> i want to do my maemo on mmc now, how much space should i use? (have 4GB intern)
Jul 02 13:22:53 <GeneralAntilles> 512-1GB, depending.
Jul 02 13:36:29 <Dekaritae> GeneralAntilles: If I wanted to remap a button on a connected USB keyboard, where ought I to look?
Jul 02 13:42:29 <crashanddie> Somewhere out there in the vast nothingness of space, somewhere far away in space and time, staring upwards at the gleaming stars in the obsidian sky...
Jul 02 13:43:06 <crashanddie> We're marooned on a small island, in an endless sea. Confined to a tiny spit of sand. Unable to escape.
Jul 02 13:43:51 <crashanddie> But tonight, on this small planet. On Earth. WE'RE GOING TO ROCK CIVILIZATION !
Jul 02 13:44:12 <pupnik> don't open the offtopic floodgates
Jul 02 13:44:28 <crashanddie> bleh
Jul 02 13:44:31 * lcuk_work replies to crashanddie the only way possible:
Jul 02 13:44:32 <lcuk_work> I put on my robe and my wizard hat
Jul 02 13:44:43 <crashanddie> not like there's a lot of offtopic when the only activity is joins/parts
Jul 02 13:44:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Jul 02 13:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> I like turtles
Jul 02 13:45:59 <crashanddie> Does anyone of you know of a program that actually uses esd to output sound ?
Jul 02 13:46:10 <crashanddie> (on the tablet)
Jul 02 13:47:01 <pupnik> yes
Jul 02 13:47:17 <pupnik> why
Jul 02 13:47:22 <crashanddie> which program ?
Jul 02 13:47:31 <GeneralAntilles> If anybody, pupnik is probably your man, crashanddie.
Jul 02 13:47:50 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, awesome :D
Jul 02 13:47:52 <crashanddie> finally :D
Jul 02 13:47:56 <pupnik> i'm in bad shape right now, what is the question behind the quistion
Jul 02 13:48:18 <crashanddie> pupnik, I wanted to write a small app that would show a spectrum of the sound currently outputted by the tablet
Jul 02 13:49:05 <simboss> guys, quick pymaemo question
Jul 02 13:49:19 <crashanddie> so I'm trying to get the esd buffer, and work on that, but the file descriptor that I'm supposed to read on never has any data in it (read () blocks, using select () to monitor it), so in fact I'm wondering if there's actually any data going through esd...
Jul 02 13:49:39 <pupnik> timidity for e.g
Jul 02 13:49:43 <pupnik> lol crashanddie
Jul 02 13:49:48 <pupnik> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-04-19.log.html
Jul 02 13:50:04 <pupnik> ah ok
Jul 02 13:51:31 <crashanddie> pupnik, ok, so basically, esd is a dead end
Jul 02 13:51:42 <crashanddie> well that's cool, having written fack all number of lines...
Jul 02 13:52:09 <pupnik> interesting project ... esd works, somehow... but i don't know how
Jul 02 13:52:10 <simboss> I do not manage to get " mouse released evens frmo a custom drawing area
Jul 02 13:52:11 <lardman> crashanddie: spectrum for all the sound or just something specific?
Jul 02 13:52:13 <simboss> any ideas?
Jul 02 13:52:18 <crashanddie> lardman, all the sound
Jul 02 13:52:38 <lardman> crashanddie: hmm, as it's routed into the DSP & mixed there, you may have troubles
Jul 02 13:52:50 <crashanddie> it's mixed in the dsp ?
Jul 02 13:52:56 <lardman> that's my understanding
Jul 02 13:52:59 <crashanddie> dayum
Jul 02 13:53:00 <|tbb|> if i manually insmod some modules, will they be in use after reboot?
Jul 02 13:53:10 <lardman> |tbb|: no
Jul 02 13:53:12 <crashanddie> nope
Jul 02 13:53:32 <lardman> crashanddie: you might be able to insert something in the gstreamer pipeline
Jul 02 13:53:46 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, did I ever link you to this one? http://youtube.com/watch?v=scU3WE560Gc
Jul 02 13:53:46 <|tbb|> hmm, i wonder why i cant connect to my ap anymore
Jul 02 13:53:50 <crashanddie> yeah, that's what I've been told
Jul 02 13:53:59 <|tbb|> any logfile available to see whats wrong
Jul 02 13:54:05 <crashanddie> but lardman, the problem is, the gstreamer things I try to right fail to run on the NIT
Jul 02 13:54:13 <|tbb|> the router itself doesnt have one
Jul 02 13:54:20 <lardman> crashanddie: they must give some output
Jul 02 13:54:30 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: no, but seen it
Jul 02 13:54:41 <pupnik> i had it on CD somewhere - something by bill laswell
Jul 02 13:54:44 <crashanddie> lardman, work on my linux box, but when compiled in scratchbox, and transfered to the NIT, there's some crazy shit about failing to insert stuff, hang on
Jul 02 13:54:52 <GeneralAntilles> Hallucination Engine
Jul 02 13:54:55 <GeneralAntilles> Love that album
Jul 02 13:54:58 <pupnik> ahh there we go
Jul 02 13:55:24 <inz> simboss, have you added the events for the widget?
Jul 02 13:55:34 <simboss> inz: yep
Jul 02 13:55:48 <simboss> inz: I get the mouse press correctly but no mouse release
Jul 02 13:55:54 <crashanddie> lardman, http://slexy.org/view/s201UBOrmR
Jul 02 13:55:56 <simboss> inz: same code works on ubuntu desktop
Jul 02 13:56:10 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: dubstep.fm has some ear-opening stuff ... nice to see that music still progresses
Jul 02 13:56:16 <simboss> inz: I found some posts about this problem and I have a workaround, but it's strange though
Jul 02 13:57:12 <GeneralAntilles> You want to search music progress? Try this. >:D http://youtube.com/watch?v=KcHjAUhtSrk
Jul 02 13:57:13 <lardman> crashanddie: I don't have any experience writing Gstreamer plugins I'm afraid
Jul 02 13:57:28 <simboss> inz: I was just willing to check if someone else's found a solutions for this
Jul 02 13:57:30 <lardman> crashanddie: what is gtest? Shouldn't you place it in a pipeline to test?
Jul 02 13:57:33 <inz> simboss, well, if you have a workaround, use that (unless it's butt ugly ;)
Jul 02 13:57:41 <inz> simboss, and possibly file a bug in the 'zilla
Jul 02 13:57:58 <crashanddie> lardman, me neither, but that's a textbook example from the gstreamer docs, and it just fails to run on the NIT, which doesn't prevail anything good
Jul 02 13:58:26 <lardman> crashanddie: true
Jul 02 13:58:51 <lardman> crashanddie: Try asking on the maemo-devel list, there are some gstreamer types lurking on there
Jul 02 13:59:01 <crashanddie> ok, I will
Jul 02 13:59:08 <|tbb|> confuse: now it works again
Jul 02 13:59:35 <|tbb|> what do i need to do to use agps
Jul 02 14:00:26 <lardman> install agps-ui
Jul 02 14:02:25 <simboss> inz: here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-November/030372.html
Jul 02 14:02:51 <hrw> hmm.. I have a problem small
Jul 02 14:03:21 <hrw> does Diablo autobuilder accept source packages with same names as diablo system ones but producing other set of packages?
Jul 02 14:04:49 <hrw> Pimlico Dates/Contacts/Tasks use evolution-data-server but it is also provided by Maemo.
Jul 02 14:04:55 <eichi_> i need mkfs.ext3, in which repo i can find it?
Jul 02 14:05:10 <scaldov> HI all!
Jul 02 14:05:15 <hrw> Maemo version provide only Contacts backend, when rest of apps need Calendar backed
Jul 02 14:05:33 <scaldov> I've binary-patched pidgin, so it can connect to icq
Jul 02 14:05:34 <scaldov> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4226/liboscar-patched.deb
Jul 02 14:05:39 <|tbb|> lardman: i had done that, do i have to have an gps signal and an internet connection while using that tool
Jul 02 14:07:16 <inz> simboss, you're having this problem in python?
Jul 02 14:07:30 <simboss> inz: yep, same exact thing
Jul 02 14:10:06 <inz> simboss, have you tried removing the motion hint mask?
Jul 02 14:10:51 <simboss> nope
Jul 02 14:10:59 <simboss> inz: should I?
Jul 02 14:11:10 <inherited> Hi, what exactly is "Diablo"?
Jul 02 14:11:21 <inz> simboss, it was just a suggestion in the thread, that it might be the cause
Jul 02 14:11:33 <simboss> the
Jul 02 14:11:39 <pekuja> inherited, it's the new OS version for N800 and N810
Jul 02 14:11:46 <inherited> coool?
Jul 02 14:11:47 <pekuja> inherited, it's also a computer game by Blizzard
Jul 02 14:11:49 <simboss> inz: the guys seems to say that it did not change the result much
Jul 02 14:11:59 <inherited> pekuja: allready stable?
Jul 02 14:12:01 <pekuja> unrelated
Jul 02 14:12:02 <GeneralAntilles> inherited, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo
Jul 02 14:12:10 <inherited> thx, GeneralAntilles
Jul 02 14:12:30 <inz> simboss, Oh, I didn't notice such, I though there was only Xan's post that it _shouldn't_ change anything
Jul 02 14:12:58 <inherited> are there also docs/infos on how to get diablo? :D
Jul 02 14:13:23 <hrw> inherited: same way as every other Maemo release
Jul 02 14:13:34 <inherited> that means?
Jul 02 14:13:41 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrade_tablet_OS
Jul 02 14:13:46 <inherited> thx
Jul 02 14:13:49 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Jul 02 14:13:51 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody moved it?
Jul 02 14:14:06 <GeneralAntilles> No, I'm just an idiot: https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 02 14:14:25 <inherited> thx a lot :D
Jul 02 14:14:26 <pupnik> i need a word for total contempt of stupid people
Jul 02 14:14:50 <GeneralAntilles> GeneralAntilles
Jul 02 14:14:57 <lardman> |tbb|: Wifi, agps-ui should automatically open gpsdriver iirc
Jul 02 14:15:42 <lardman> |tbb|: it will ask the supl server for the data for wherever you clicked and give that to gpsdriver I think; someone said it would also try mobile phone connections, but I don't have mine linked
Jul 02 14:15:59 <scaldov> people, is there pidgin icq-patched version for maemo2008?
Jul 02 14:16:10 <|tbb|> mine also not linked to an cellphone
Jul 02 14:16:21 <|tbb|> err mobilephone
Jul 02 14:16:31 <lardman> :)
Jul 02 14:16:42 <GeneralAntilles> scaldov, just use rtcomm with the Collabora telepathy plugins?
Jul 02 14:17:08 <|tbb|> so i have to open it and point it to the place where iam?
Jul 02 14:17:14 * |tbb| confused
Jul 02 14:17:30 <scaldov> GeneralAntilles, I don't know what are you about
Jul 02 14:17:31 <GeneralAntilles> |tbb|, the Nokia beta labs site explains how it works.
Jul 02 14:17:35 <pupnik> Anybody who uses the Internet should read E.M. Forster's The Machine Stops. It is a chilling, short story masterpiece about the role of technology in our lives. Written in 1909, it's as relevant today as the day it was published.
Jul 02 14:17:39 <pupnik> http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html
Jul 02 14:17:52 <lardman> |tbb|: open the app, tap on the map where you are, hey presto!
Jul 02 14:18:00 <inherited> thx a lot so far, will I be able to run os 2008 apps without any problems on diablo?
Jul 02 14:18:06 <GeneralAntilles> scaldov, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21302
Jul 02 14:18:17 <hrw> inherited: yes
Jul 02 14:18:19 <eichi_> i need e2fsprogs for maemo, where to get it???
Jul 02 14:18:31 <inherited> cool
Jul 02 14:18:37 <GeneralAntilles> eichi_ gronmayer.com/it
Jul 02 14:18:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's in the SDK repo.
Jul 02 14:18:50 <inherited> its getting better and better every second
Jul 02 14:19:02 <hrw> eichi_:         500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages
Jul 02 14:19:13 <hrw> eichi_: from diablo extras
Jul 02 14:20:22 <|tbb|> the card ZoomLevel isnt that big so i can choose a land or city exactly
Jul 02 14:20:56 <lardman> |tbb|: I know, I've been wondering what effect that has
Jul 02 14:21:22 <lardman> |tbb|: I don't know enough about the accuracy required in the supl message data though
Jul 02 14:21:47 <scaldov> GeneralAntilles, looks interesting. i'll try
Jul 02 14:21:50 <scaldov> thnx
Jul 02 14:21:56 <|tbb|> everyone says, hey now it supports agps, but how it will be speed up things or how it work noone knows it really
Jul 02 14:22:21 <lardman> Someone posted a comparison on ITT this morning iirc
Jul 02 14:30:28 <eichi_> apt-get update ->>   W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )
Jul 02 14:30:39 <eichi_> expected but got? lol?
Jul 02 14:30:40 <qwerty12> It's normal and can be ignored.
Jul 02 14:31:15 <eichi_> sounds like "i need it, but what a shame, i got it :( " is is my english not good enaught?
Jul 02 14:32:07 <Atarii> qwerty12! do you have the changeslog for the AM 2.02 which you removing the legal mumbojumbo?
Jul 02 14:32:14 <lardman> eichi_: You sure it's not expected "diablo" got "" ??
Jul 02 14:37:15 <eichi_> lardman, http://phpfi.com/328641 whats that?
Jul 02 14:37:21 <eichi_> and yes, i was sure ;)
Jul 02 14:38:47 <GeneralAntilles> apt-get -f install
Jul 02 14:38:57 <GeneralAntilles> The issue has been covered a number of times on itT and -developers
Jul 02 14:38:59 <sp3000> eichi_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38023
Jul 02 14:39:29 <lardman> eichi_: no really, I think the message is trying to tell you that there's no distro name
Jul 02 14:39:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully an SSU updates comes down soon so it'll resolve itself.
Jul 02 14:43:08 <lcuk_work> the agps thing, would it be possible to add a quick function to maemo-mapper to push the current actual location into the agps thing that we can currently only get 50miles away from? would the extra coord resolution be worthwhile?
Jul 02 14:43:13 <mgedmin> |tbb| my impression is that the time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute
Jul 02 14:43:21 <lcuk_work> ill dash back to work, but its just something i wonder
Jul 02 14:43:40 <lardman> lcuk_work: no idea, we'd need to talk to someone in the know (about agps/ephemeris data)
Jul 02 14:43:40 <lcuk_work> mgedmin, we had gps fixes in about 20 minutes in germany :
Jul 02 14:43:58 <lardman> mgedmin: not a cold start though?
Jul 02 14:44:03 <mgedmin> s/the time to get a gps fix/minimum time to get a gps fix/
Jul 02 14:44:03 <infobot> mgedmin meant: |tbb| my impression is that minimum time to get a gps fix went down from 1 minute 30 seconds to 1 minute
Jul 02 14:44:11 <lcuk_work> next time we are all together it will be good to see relative speeds - im still on chinook
Jul 02 14:44:19 <mgedmin> heh
Jul 02 14:44:24 <lcuk_work> lardman - none of us were cold
Jul 02 14:44:31 <lardman> mgedmin: I also think the pretty inaccurate data which will be supplied (due to the ~50miles square size of the pixels in the map) won't help
Jul 02 14:44:32 <mgedmin> lardman: not sure; first fix about 24 hours since last fix
Jul 02 14:44:34 <lcuk_work> all took a long time : twice, once before dinner, once after
Jul 02 14:44:42 <lcuk_work> back later anyway
Jul 02 14:45:09 <eichi_> sp3000, GeneralAntilles lardman thanks a lot
Jul 02 14:46:17 <eichi_> now i use openssh instead of xterm in maemo, its easyer to write ;)
Jul 02 14:46:40 <eichi_> its like fingerpicking on guitar
Jul 02 15:03:14 <eichi_> sfdisk is strange
Jul 02 15:03:30 <eichi_> Units = cylinders of 21504 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes
Jul 02 15:03:43 <eichi_> how much cylinders do i need for 1 GB?
Jul 02 15:03:53 <pupnik> poop cylinders
Jul 02 15:05:02 <eichi_> 	(1 024 * 1 000) / 21 504 = 47.6190476
Jul 02 15:05:13 <eichi_> 50 or what?
Jul 02 15:05:18 <scaldov> -Hn -Sn
Jul 02 15:05:30 <scaldov> there is no need to set cylinders
Jul 02 15:06:11 <eichi_> sfdisk want to have them
Jul 02 15:06:33 <hrw> sfdisk? someone still use it?
Jul 02 15:06:57 <eichi_> http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card
Jul 02 15:06:59 <scaldov> echo ",,L"|sfdisk -S64 -H64
Jul 02 15:07:04 <eichi_> its in the brand new wiki
Jul 02 15:07:10 <scaldov> I used it this way
Jul 02 15:07:25 <qwerty12_1> Doesn't sfdisk have that mode where you can specify MB instead?
Jul 02 15:07:38 <scaldov> no
Jul 02 15:07:45 <scaldov> it does not
Jul 02 15:07:45 <hrw> eichi_: it is old text in new wiki?
Jul 02 15:07:48 <eichi_> i want to use fdisk like everywhere
Jul 02 15:07:49 <qwerty12_1> Oh my bad. I'm thinking of something else.
Jul 02 15:08:04 <eichi_> hrw, it seems so
Jul 02 15:08:14 <scaldov> i think there is sfdisk from busybox
Jul 02 15:10:56 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, sounds painful.
Jul 02 15:11:11 <eichi_> there is no way to get fdisk running?
Jul 02 15:11:23 * qwerty12_1 refrains from screaming.
Jul 02 15:11:27 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Jul 02 15:11:36 <qwerty12_1> I've got cfdisk available.
Jul 02 15:11:45 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: pong
Jul 02 15:12:07 <eichi_> if i want to install util-linux, all maemo thinks will gone ;) bad idea
Jul 02 15:12:17 <scaldov> peope, sfdisk is light and powerfull. forget fdisk :)
Jul 02 15:12:19 <eichi_> but then, i have fdisk hihi
Jul 02 15:12:20 <GeneralAntilles> Can you clear this page and just leave the Note: line and the link to the GNOME wiki? https://maemo.org/community/wiki/MaemoGtk26Contributions/
Jul 02 15:12:23 <GeneralAntilles> http://live.gnome.org/Maemo/Gtk26Contributions
Jul 02 15:12:29 <qwerty12_1> eichi_, But I can package things and I have cfdisk in a seperate package ;)
Jul 02 15:13:03 <scaldov> btw, is there netsmbfs for maemo?
Jul 02 15:13:16 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Ok.
Jul 02 15:13:52 <eichi_> i need hours for only partion a sd card with maemo..its scrary
Jul 02 15:14:11 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Btw, thanks for all the extras wiki pages and links between them. That is really useful :)
Jul 02 15:14:16 <eichi_> only because i forgot my sd card reader at my other flat
Jul 02 15:14:20 <X-Fade> I used them in my blog post btw ;)
Jul 02 15:14:50 <qwerty12_1> penguinbait, ping
Jul 02 15:14:54 <GeneralAntilles> moar bloging!
Jul 02 15:14:57 <eichi_> what should i do nooooooooooooooooow
Jul 02 15:15:00 * GeneralAntilles cracks the whip.
Jul 02 15:15:11 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Yeah yeah, I just did ;)
Jul 02 15:15:13 * qwerty12_1 howls
Jul 02 15:18:25 <leandroal> j #ols
Jul 02 15:18:49 <qwerty12_1> And why would anyone want to do that?
Jul 02 15:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody got a GNOMI Live account?
Jul 02 15:19:14 <GeneralAntilles> s/GNOMI/GNOME/
Jul 02 15:19:14 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Anybody got a GNOME Live account?
Jul 02 15:20:45 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Ok, changed the page.
Jul 02 15:21:02 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks
Jul 02 15:21:07 <jga23> anybody know where I could get subversion client for diablo?
Jul 02 15:21:20 <qwerty12_1> jga23, it's in the sdk repo iirc
Jul 02 15:22:13 <jga23> qwerty12_1: thanks
Jul 02 15:26:37 <eichi_> qwerty12_1, can you give me this cfdisk package?
Jul 02 15:26:56 <qwerty12_1> http://www.mediafire.com/?992d1yvr4z3
Jul 02 15:28:22 <eichi_> qwerty12_1, i will trust you ;)
Jul 02 15:28:52 <qwerty12_1> If your tablet burns up and causes the house to go on fire, I've got your back. :P
Jul 02 15:29:18 <johnx> which is to say he'll be behind yo running :)
Jul 02 15:29:30 <aquatix> johnx: nah, he has a digital backup
Jul 02 15:29:41 <eichi_> qwerty12_1, then i hope, you have a free room in your house
Jul 02 15:29:48 <aquatix> uh-oh
Jul 02 15:30:02 <qwerty12_1> eichi_, Ok, I don't have your back :P
Jul 02 15:30:16 <eichi_> i have a backup yes
Jul 02 15:30:20 <eichi_> ;)
Jul 02 15:30:33 <eichi_> but there is no way to make hardware backups ;D
Jul 02 15:32:32 <aquatix> eichi_: hm, in that case i might have to revise my backup scheme...
Jul 02 15:32:35 <eichi_> ehm..how to install a file from locally with apt-get?
Jul 02 15:32:36 <qwerty12_1> ARRGH, a port of the touchscreen fix from N810 to N800 didn't take :(
Jul 02 15:33:06 <qwerty12_1> The tsc2005.c and the tsc2301 driver are very similar too :(
Jul 02 15:36:54 <crashanddie> eichi_, dpkg -i file.deb
Jul 02 15:37:44 <eichi_> thats it, thanks, long time i used a debian ;)
Jul 02 15:38:21 <qwerty12_1> Does using a tablet with the debian system of package managment count?
Jul 02 15:39:14 <hrw> qwerty12_1: if it is nokia tablet then it does not
Jul 02 15:39:29 <qwerty12_1> Heh
Jul 02 15:40:07 <hrw> qwerty12_1: normal users does not even see that apt/dpkg are used
Jul 02 15:40:45 <qwerty12_1> Not entirely sure about that, the app man log is quite descriptive.
Jul 02 15:40:46 <penguinbait> did you get some sleep qwerty :)
Jul 02 15:41:07 <qwerty12_1> Nope, I was still on IRC >.>
Jul 02 15:41:10 <qwerty12_1> :P :)
Jul 02 15:41:25 <eichi_> allways use logical partitions, shouldnt I?
Jul 02 15:41:59 <penguinbait> if you want I can tar up my deb directory, so you can update it, with kernel while I am gone?
Jul 02 15:42:44 <qwerty12_1> I can wait yet :). It will give me a few more days to mess with the kernel anyway :/
Jul 02 15:42:51 <penguinbait> cool
Jul 02 15:43:23 <hrw> eichi_: primary you mean?
Jul 02 15:43:33 <hrw> ~curse msdos partitioning
Jul 02 15:43:34 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, msdos partitioning !
Jul 02 15:43:50 <eichi_> i use only ext3 partitions
Jul 02 15:43:54 <penguinbait> yikes
Jul 02 15:44:06 <qwerty12_1> penguinbait, BTW, I think I know why some people are reporting problems with the kernel. Either the patch is dodgy. Or more likely, it didn't apply right as I saw this morning. I'll release a new kernel sometime where the patch is applied by hand.
Jul 02 15:44:23 <qwerty12_1> (The N810 touchscreen patch that is)
Jul 02 15:45:00 <penguinbait> I put it on my 800 and 810, and it runs better on 800, I think the TS patches are slowing things down, however CPU seems OK?
Jul 02 15:45:00 <hrw> eichi_: the scheme which you use on card cames from msdos
Jul 02 15:45:01 <crashanddie> penguinbait, also, did you notice that the more you go to the edge of the screen, the more there is a margin between the actual position and the registered position ?
Jul 02 15:45:10 <hrw> eichi_: primary/logical partitions crap
Jul 02 15:45:30 <eichi_> hrw, that means?
Jul 02 15:45:42 <eichi_> is there another way?
Jul 02 15:45:52 <penguinbait> hrw, I just use my deb for partitioning :)
Jul 02 15:46:57 <hrw> eichi_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_BIOS_partition_types
Jul 02 15:46:58 <eichi_> penguinbait, i think its a evil hack to parition with a deb package...sorry for that
Jul 02 15:47:00 <penguinbait> crashanddie, I have used it for about 30 minutes total, I honestly dont have much use for the project,  I like qwerty, was just trying to help out :)
Jul 02 15:47:03 <hrw> eichi_: lot of them
Jul 02 15:47:21 <crashanddie> you like qwerty ?
Jul 02 15:47:24 <crashanddie> :D
Jul 02 15:47:25 <penguinbait> evil, thats what I get for helping people?
Jul 02 15:47:29 <hrw> I prefer AmigaOS partitioning - too bad that PC cannot boot from such disks...
Jul 02 15:47:33 <qwerty12_1> crashanddie, don't hate :p
Jul 02 15:47:42 <hrw> eichi_: under linux LVM instead of partitioning is nice
Jul 02 15:47:50 <penguinbait> yes, I like qwerty :P
Jul 02 15:47:54 <crashanddie> penguinbait, I used it for 10 minutes, just to test
Jul 02 15:48:03 <crashanddie> penguinbait, but you know, in the dev tools, there's cursor position
Jul 02 15:48:11 <penguinbait> I got you beat by 20minutes :P
Jul 02 15:48:26 <crashanddie> which draws a little dot to the registered coordinates of where the stylus hits the screen
Jul 02 15:48:28 <penguinbait> yes, I saw that
Jul 02 15:48:33 <crashanddie> and when you go up and down the screen
Jul 02 15:48:43 <crashanddie> well, when you're in the center of the screen, it registers correctly
Jul 02 15:49:04 <crashanddie> but the more you go up to the top/down of the screen, there's a mis-calculation of somesort
Jul 02 15:49:15 <qwerty12_1> Well be thankful that the thing actually works.:P  My N800 doesn't register jack shit.
Jul 02 15:49:34 <Atarii> qwerty12_1 do you have changes you did to the applicaiton manager?
Jul 02 15:49:42 <eichi_> hrw you need only the kernel modules and can switch?
Jul 02 15:49:46 <penguinbait> well like I said, we were just helping out, qwerty applied the kernel patches, he did not create them.  I assume as the real team works on it things will improve
Jul 02 15:50:22 <crashanddie> I'm not running around yelling "FIX IT", i'm just saying, that's all :P
Jul 02 15:50:41 <qwerty12_1> Atarii, No sorry :(. I removed my linux partition and it turns out that the patch was on there. When I take a look at the file again, I always figure out my changes though, so I'll take a look again later :)
Jul 02 15:50:44 <crashanddie> I understand this is more of a "proof of concept" than anything else
Jul 02 15:51:00 <Atarii> ok thanks qwerty12_1
Jul 02 15:51:26 <qwerty12_1> This will never go more forward than this anyway. "A: You have to use m3 user space. This works well with m5-rc14/15 kernel patches. So best combination is to use m3 user space with m5 kernel.m5 user space will not work, because it needs page flipping frame buffer and N8x0 fb driver doesn't support this. "
Jul 02 15:51:42 <penguinbait> I think it was more of a qwerty and penguinbait had too much time on there hands for a couple days with nothing better to do :)
Jul 02 15:51:42 <qwerty12_1> I seriously want to beat the fuck out of Epson for making the biggest piece of shit ever,
Jul 02 15:51:58 <qwerty12_1> Yep with b-man manipulating the strings :P
Jul 02 15:52:16 <penguinbait> heh
Jul 02 15:52:56 <johnx> I read some stuff about android for the zaurus, where someone discovered it might not need page flipping
Jul 02 15:53:31 <hrw> eichi_: more or less that
Jul 02 15:53:35 <qwerty12_1> johnx, you mean something like this: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer (read the zaurus part)
Jul 02 15:53:48 <johnx> it was from here: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/
Jul 02 15:53:51 * johnx reads
Jul 02 15:54:07 <qwerty12_1> Yep, that site is in the elinux link I gave :)
Jul 02 15:54:16 <Andy80> hi all
Jul 02 15:54:32 <Andy80> I'm using diablo release and I'm using chinook-extras, should I switch to diablo-extras?
Jul 02 15:54:41 <johnx> qwerty12_1, yes, but there is a later post about the 750, which states it wasn't necessary
Jul 02 15:55:18 <johnx> s/750/700
Jul 02 15:55:29 <johnx> qwerty12_1, here: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/article/93200205.html
Jul 02 15:55:40 <qwerty12_1> Thanks
Jul 02 15:56:27 <johnx> in a couple months when the first handset comes out this will be a lot more interesting
Jul 02 15:56:33 <qwerty12_1> If he did nothing, then that can be up to someone to build m5-rc14 then.
Jul 02 15:58:24 <johnx> ah, exciting...the latest mplayer removes alsa sound output?
Jul 02 15:58:29 <crashanddie> Andy80, chinook programs run seamlessly on diablo, diablo repos aren't populated that much just yet
Jul 02 16:00:29 <qwerty12_1> Just for future reference for myself so I can search this up on google quickly, the file for N800 touchscreen is tsc2301_ts.c
Jul 02 16:00:52 <Andy80> crashanddie: ok, thanks
Jul 02 16:01:24 <|tbb|> touchscreen patch for debian ?
Jul 02 16:01:33 <eichi_> can i use ext2/3 on mmc to boot from sd card? or do i need to take vfat like in the howto?
Jul 02 16:01:34 <qwerty12_1> android
Jul 02 16:01:45 * Mousey poops on android
Jul 02 16:02:06 <johnx> heh...well after I give up a2dp start working. bleh
Jul 02 16:02:21 * Mousey uses ext3 on the internal card and external card. but not the main partition
Jul 02 16:02:44 * Mousey is mostly too lazy to figure out if it's possible or a good idea or not though, and should not be considered a role model
Jul 02 16:03:05 <johnx> anyways, ~40% CPU usage @ 160MHz isn't too bad
Jul 02 16:03:20 <eichi_> Mousey, but i want to boot from internal card
Jul 02 16:03:22 <johnx> I wonder if it would be better to bump the CPU speed and let it sleep more...
Jul 02 16:03:37 <Mousey> eichi_: fanoush is your friend
Jul 02 16:03:44 <eichi_> maybe it cant mount ext2/3 while booting
Jul 02 16:03:57 <Mousey> that'd be up to either the kernel or the initfs
Jul 02 16:04:02 <johnx> yes, |tbb| a2dp seems to work for me
Jul 02 16:04:19 <johnx> to a degree...skipping now
Jul 02 16:04:21 * Mousey thinks . o O ( a2dp? )
Jul 02 16:04:38 <johnx> stereo sound support for bluetooth headphones
Jul 02 16:04:42 <Mousey> OH YEA
Jul 02 16:04:46 <Mousey> god i want that to work
Jul 02 16:04:51 <timeless> johnx: anyway, mxr.maemo.org is up, have fun :)
Jul 02 16:04:55 <Mousey> i don't care about high cpu usage
Jul 02 16:05:04 <|tbb|> no hack needed
Jul 02 16:05:19 <JamieBennett> what was the fix for the 'sem_post: Function not implemented' problem in scratchbox again?
Jul 02 16:05:22 <johnx> Mousey, you will when your battery power goes away in ~3 hours
Jul 02 16:05:34 <Mousey> there's that
Jul 02 16:05:39 <Mousey> but i'd leave it plugged in ^_^
Jul 02 16:05:40 <johnx> timeless, cool
Jul 02 16:05:59 <johnx> Mousey, well go and grab it...it does work to a degree
Jul 02 16:06:12 <Mousey> first i need stereo headphones. ^_^
Jul 02 16:06:20 <johnx> aaah
Jul 02 16:06:22 <johnx> heh
Jul 02 16:06:33 <johnx> can't help you unless you want to buy some from me :)
Jul 02 16:06:41 <johnx> I could use new ones :D
Jul 02 16:06:46 <Mousey> nah, i have to steal the ones i have back from my wife
Jul 02 16:07:54 <johnx> hot sauce, works in canola too!
Jul 02 16:08:21 <qwerty12_1> Lets see the master salesman at work
Jul 02 16:08:24 <hrw> dpkg - warning: downgrading xchat from 2.8.4-chinook0-beta1 to 2.8.4-diablo0mg2.
Jul 02 16:08:26 <GeneralAntilles> What the hell kind of a quip is this? "best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800"
Jul 02 16:08:45 <qwerty12_1> Good enough for me, wheres the buy page?
Jul 02 16:08:47 <hrw> mgedmin: can you add epoch to Diablo package of xchat?
Jul 02 16:09:01 <mgedmin> hrw: what's the reason?
Jul 02 16:09:14 <mgedmin> ah, I see
Jul 02 16:09:21 <mgedmin> you had the chinook package on your diablo
Jul 02 16:09:29 <hrw> mgedmin: yes - skyhuster one
Jul 02 16:09:35 <hrw> ~xchat-maemo
Jul 02 16:09:36 <infobot> rumour has it, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon
Jul 02 16:09:37 <mgedmin> you naughty impatient user :)
Jul 02 16:09:47 <RST38h> GA: A Chinese spammer.
Jul 02 16:09:50 <hrw> mgedmin: I had it in chinook times
Jul 02 16:10:06 <mgedmin> wait, why is chinook older than diablo? d > c!
Jul 02 16:10:10 <GeneralAntilles> Who can delete a spam quip from bugzilla?
Jul 02 16:10:20 <hrw> infobot: no, xchat-maemo is X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from Diablo Extras(-devel) repository
Jul 02 16:10:21 <infobot> hrw: okay
Jul 02 16:10:21 <mgedmin> besides I did the same thing myself
Jul 02 16:10:33 <qwerty12_1> Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking look :)
Jul 02 16:10:36 <mgedmin> hrw: chinook extras too
Jul 02 16:10:39 <qwerty12_1> s/look/a look/
Jul 02 16:10:39 <infobot> qwerty12_1 meant: Does anyone know if skyhusker's svn is still up or if he released a patch? I'd be interested in taking a look :)
Jul 02 16:10:46 <mgedmin> qwerty12_1: skyhusker's svn is alive
Jul 02 16:10:54 <mgedmin> that's where I got the xchat that I uploaded to extras
Jul 02 16:11:01 <mgedmin> (after emailing with skyhusker a bit)
Jul 02 16:11:04 <hrw> mgedmin: feel free to edit factoid
Jul 02 16:11:06 <johnx> anyways, the old a2dp-support package I put together for chinook works fine in diablo, and does as little as ever :)
Jul 02 16:11:33 <qwerty12_1> mgedmin, Ah, do you have a link? I went through web.archive because his site broken to the result of finding a broken svn link.
Jul 02 16:11:54 <mgedmin> it's on garage
Jul 02 16:12:09 <mgedmin> svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/xchat/trunk xchat-maemo
Jul 02 16:12:12 <johnx> a2dp setup .deb for convenience only, can be found here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp
Jul 02 16:12:19 <mgedmin> all I had to do was fix the build-depends a bit
Jul 02 16:14:23 <qwerty12> ~lart shitty router for rebooting
Jul 02 16:14:23 * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples shitty router's foot to the floor for rebooting
Jul 02 16:14:50 <hrw> bye guys
Jul 02 16:18:11 <RST38h> speaking of reboot...
Jul 02 16:21:25 <whooper> hey guys
Jul 02 16:22:27 <whooper> hey qwerty12, do you have the patch for touchscreen support in android for the n800 yet?
Jul 02 16:23:07 <qwerty12> Nope. I'm trying again but I can't make any promises, I'm not really a programmer :)
Jul 02 16:23:25 <qwerty12> (I'd like it working too, I have only N800 as well :))
Jul 02 16:23:36 <whooper> okay
Jul 02 16:24:01 <whooper> i just installed it and I must say that you've done a beautiful job so far
Jul 02 16:24:23 <qwerty12> Well, the installing and file system stuff is all penguinbaits work :)
Jul 02 16:24:35 <whooper> ooookyay
Jul 02 16:24:48 <penguinbait> the kernel is qwerty, but all the real work was done by others :)
Jul 02 16:24:52 * whooper goes to look for his usb female-to-female adapter
Jul 02 16:25:41 <penguinbait> is there an official 800/810 android team actively developing for 800/810?
Jul 02 16:26:05 <qwerty12> only thing I can think of android-on-n8xx
Jul 02 16:26:15 <qwerty12> n8xx is a joke though
Jul 02 16:26:23 <qwerty12> N810 is more serious.
Jul 02 16:26:55 <penguinbait> the usespace I used is that just a generic userspace for android on omap or is it meant for 800/810?
Jul 02 16:26:57 <RST38h> Weird, Android looks better on N810 than on the devices it has been designed to run on
Jul 02 16:27:13 <johnx> it's designed to run on pretty much anything
Jul 02 16:27:17 <johnx> that's kinda the point :)
Jul 02 16:28:02 <Jaffa> Any more screenshots/photos/videos more than just the one on aisu's blog of the home screen?
Jul 02 16:28:03 <whooper> johnx, you hit the nail on the head
Jul 02 16:28:10 <whooper> i'll make some!
Jul 02 16:28:30 <qwerty12> Jaffa, http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Screenshots
Jul 02 16:28:32 <penguinbait> post them in the thread on ITT
Jul 02 16:28:34 <whooper> i'll put em' on my blog: jakemaheu.com; oncew i do
Jul 02 16:28:46 <whooper> er.. *once
Jul 02 16:28:49 <whooper> no prob
Jul 02 16:29:09 <Jaffa> Slow? Usable? Useful? Limited hacking time at the moment, and improving mud is probably more useful :)
Jul 02 16:29:51 <qwerty12> Slow, a little. I found performance to be much better when using ext2 instead of loop. Usable, I'd say so (if you use N810) and useful, well....
Jul 02 16:30:29 <penguinbait> The Fn key is not working on 810, so no numbers or / or @ its not that usefull :)
Jul 02 16:30:50 <penguinbait> The 810 seems to run slower than the 800, I think its the TS patches?
Jul 02 16:30:57 <qwerty12> It probably is
Jul 02 16:31:33 <Jaffa> penguinbait: does it work if you hold down Fn, rather than press or release - or does it not work at all? (And what about xmodmap helpage?)
Jul 02 16:31:46 <penguinbait> I must say, first impressions, I wich maemo looked like that :)
Jul 02 16:32:01 <penguinbait> not at all Jaffa
Jul 02 16:32:08 <qwerty12> Jaffa, xmodmap isn't used. Instead, you need to look at qwerty.kl and maybe init.rc
Jul 02 16:32:09 <penguinbait> s/wich/wish
Jul 02 16:32:16 <qwerty12> I know what you mean :)
Jul 02 16:32:30 <RST38h> penguinbait: are you sure?
Jul 02 16:32:34 <qwerty12> penguinbait, I like little things like the blur when pressing the power button
Jul 02 16:32:44 <disq> penguinbait: grats on the android stuff! ran into some problems with the postint script going like "./root/android-installer/..." instead of "/root/*" but after i fixed that it worked
Jul 02 16:32:45 <RST38h> this thign is Java based and uses weird APIs
Jul 02 16:32:54 <Jaffa> qwerty12: oh, of course - it's fb-based isn't it
Jul 02 16:33:01 <qwerty12> Jaffa, yes
Jul 02 16:33:01 <penguinbait> yes, I like the lok and feel of it better that maemo/hildon
Jul 02 16:33:18 <penguinbait> of cource thats not saying alot, I like everything better :)
Jul 02 16:33:29 <penguinbait> s/cource/course
Jul 02 16:33:31 <Jaffa> RST38h: it's Java-based but compiles to a more native bytecode
Jul 02 16:34:10 <RST38h> Jaffa: there is no "more native" bytecode.
Jul 02 16:34:24 <RST38h> Bytecode is not native
Jul 02 16:34:38 <whooper> bloody hell, the pictures'll have to wait-- i can't find my good (powershot a410) camera
Jul 02 16:35:02 <qwerty12> Anyone know a better x server for windows instead of xminge? And yes, I said windows.
Jul 02 16:35:17 <Mousey> oh wow, android on nxx!
Jul 02 16:35:19 <penguinbait> I use cygwin
Jul 02 16:35:21 <Mousey> n8xx, even
Jul 02 16:35:25 <zap> vmware is a better X server
Jul 02 16:35:38 <qwerty12> I really dislike vmware :/
Jul 02 16:35:40 <Mousey> Xwindows is a better X server
Jul 02 16:36:00 <Mousey> ^_^
Jul 02 16:36:05 <qwerty12> zap, btw, had any more luck with using OS2007 kernel's musb in diablo?
Jul 02 16:36:18 <whooper> is there any way to switch between android and standard maemo-- I want to try and do some screen shots
Jul 02 16:36:31 <zap> qwerty12: nope, it reboots soon after showing desktop
Jul 02 16:36:42 <Jaffa> RST38h: Tell that to Intel chips running microcode. Anyway, I meant a more optimised bytecode for Android apps running in a custom VM. This is IRC, not a bloody lecture hall!
Jul 02 16:36:47 <zap> I would debug it if I would have at least serial console, but... :-(
Jul 02 16:37:01 <penguinbait> maybe running vnc server before starting?
Jul 02 16:37:27 <zap> qwerty12: instead I ported the latest musb driver from kernel 2.6.16rc1 (montavista branch) and it works fine, but still g_ether doesn't like windoz
Jul 02 16:37:40 <zap> sorry, 2.6.26rc1
Jul 02 16:37:57 <RST38h> Jaffa: Microcode is NOT bytecode
Jul 02 16:38:09 * RST38h of all people, should know =)
Jul 02 16:38:22 <qwerty12> zap, Ah :(. Brilliant work nonetheless, best reasoning and work on the subject I've seen so far :)
Jul 02 16:38:34 <zap> and the most useless...
Jul 02 16:38:36 <qwerty12> Does musb from linux-omap work any better?
Jul 02 16:38:44 <zap> umm
Jul 02 16:38:56 <ShadowJK> You know, arm can run java bytecode "natively"... :P
Jul 02 16:38:59 <zap> one time I even was able to connect N810 to Windows two times...
Jul 02 16:39:05 <RST38h> Shadow: You can, true
Jul 02 16:39:21 <zap> with current kernel I never managed to do it more than once
Jul 02 16:39:21 <zap> :)
Jul 02 16:39:35 <RST38h> Shadow: If you license Jazelle (which Nokia did not for N8x0). And even then it is not blazingly fast
Jul 02 16:41:11 <Jaffa> RST38h: are there any benchmarks comparing Jazelle vs. various JVMs on ARM vs. Dalvik?
Jul 02 16:41:46 <Andy80> yes... Android on N810 would be a good thing.... if only N810 was a PHONE :(
Jul 02 16:41:46 <Andy80> uff
Jul 02 16:41:54 <RST38h> Jaffa: AFAIK, Jazelle-enabled JVM is ~3 times faster than vanilla version
Jul 02 16:42:18 <RST38h> Jaffa: This has been measured on SUN's SunSpot implementation for embedded devies
Jul 02 16:42:43 <qwerty12> YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :)
Jul 02 16:43:14 <johnx> qwerty12, woo!
Jul 02 16:43:20 <RST38h> Dalvik - I do not know, but it is *not* going to be comparable with native code performance in a general case.
Jul 02 16:43:29 <RST38h> Because miracles just do not happen.
Jul 02 16:43:36 <qwerty12> (It's funny, when I came here with my N800, I didn't know nothing about linux, now look at me, I'm fixing packages etc). Heh.
Jul 02 16:44:01 <RST38h> "When I came here I had a life and now I don't!" 8)
Jul 02 16:44:12 <qwerty12> :P
Jul 02 16:44:25 <whooper> qwerty12: i love you!
Jul 02 16:44:37 <whooper> are you going to share it in a nice, clean .deb package?
Jul 02 16:44:54 <qwerty12> I'll leave the packaging to penguinbait :)
Jul 02 16:45:26 <whooper> alright, then it's up to penguinbait-- ready the torches and pitchforks
Jul 02 16:45:35 <qwerty12> Taps are a little hard to register, but the pointer test program is recognising my taps fine.
Jul 02 16:46:54 <whooper> what did you have to do?
Jul 02 16:47:41 <whooper> --to get touchscreen support working, i mean
Jul 02 16:47:57 <qwerty12> Shift the android changes to the N810 touchscreen driver to the N800 one + a little change. After I've finalised everything, I'll post up all my patches.
Jul 02 16:48:19 <whooper> schweet
Jul 02 16:48:47 <whooper> any news on an OSK?
Jul 02 16:49:14 <johnx> meh, just get out your usb keyboard and some tape :D
Jul 02 16:49:17 <qwerty12> OSK probably no. I can't program and that is too much stuff for me.
Jul 02 16:49:38 <whooper> johnx: i can't find my usb adapter D:
Jul 02 16:49:40 <qwerty12> I could try but I'm not a framebuffer expert by any means.
Jul 02 16:50:03 <whooper> do you know where to add wallpapers?
Jul 02 16:50:14 <whooper> the standard ones don't look great on the big screen
Jul 02 16:50:31 <qwerty12> I'm not sure, i'll take a look for you.
Jul 02 16:51:17 <whooper> thank you very much
Jul 02 16:51:24 <johnx> also, check out shapewriter, I guess it's not really an input method so much as an app though
Jul 02 16:52:23 <whooper> i will, brb
Jul 02 16:53:47 <whooper> oh, that's neat
Jul 02 16:53:57 <whooper> interesting idea
Jul 02 16:54:05 <lcuk_work> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jul 02 16:54:24 <johnx> lcuk_work, died on keyboard?
Jul 02 16:54:32 <lcuk> no johnx, day from hell
Jul 02 16:54:42 <johnx> that'll be tomorrow for me
Jul 02 16:54:47 <johnx> is your day from hell over at least?
Jul 02 16:54:51 <qwerty12> whooper, no idea. best I could do is data\misc\wallpaper. Not sure if it is png or jpg but it opens fine. I'm unsure where the northern lights image is kept.
Jul 02 16:54:54 <lcuk> and me, i didnt get the "minor" code change completed
Jul 02 16:54:59 <GeneralAntilles> It's Bad Day at Work day in the UK today, evidently.
Jul 02 16:55:10 <lcuk> ive been dealing with stuart code all day
Jul 02 16:55:13 <whooper> alrighty, i'll give that a shot. thanks qwerty
Jul 02 16:55:20 <whooper> trogdor will be my new firend
Jul 02 16:56:27 * lcuk gives a tiny snippet of my feelings from the last time i went into this set of code:
Jul 02 16:56:50 <lcuk> '##this routine is horrendous.  this entire import is horrendous.
Jul 02 16:56:51 <lcuk> '##what the flying fuck is this code about?
Jul 02 16:56:51 <lcuk> '##it is evil and nasty and a headfuck I have seen more logical assembler code.
Jul 02 16:57:05 <johnx> urgh
Jul 02 16:57:09 <johnx> what language?
Jul 02 16:57:19 <lcuk> its vb, but thats not normally the issue
Jul 02 16:57:37 <johnx> just wondering if it was something like cobol or somesuch
Jul 02 16:57:56 <johnx> lcuk, now you see why we linux guys keep our barriers to entry :)
Jul 02 16:57:58 <lcuk> actually, thats not too far from the truth
Jul 02 16:58:18 <eichi_> damn, it doenst boot from mmc
Jul 02 16:58:26 <lcuk> "stuart code" is named after stuart, an old cobol coder..
Jul 02 16:58:37 <johnx> oh man
Jul 02 16:58:54 <lcuk> he loved array indexes :)
Jul 02 16:59:02 <johnx> I can picture him now writing convenience functions in VB so he can use it more like COBOL
Jul 02 16:59:17 <johnx> that would be pretty nightmarish I imagine
Jul 02 16:59:49 <lcuk> johnx, ive seen lots of code in my life but i have never before seen anything so monolithically bad as this set of functions
Jul 02 17:00:02 <johnx> I'm sorry to hear that
Jul 02 17:00:10 <lcuk> the xkcd wtfs per minute - i stopped counting
Jul 02 17:00:18 <mgedmin> heh
Jul 02 17:00:34 * lcuk stops ranting now
Jul 02 17:00:49 <lcuk> thank god .net is here and it will soon be out of my hands :)
Jul 02 17:01:57 <lcuk> now, i think i should make myself feel better by looking at liqbase :)
Jul 02 17:02:23 <johnx> the polar opposite, the most gorgeous code conceived by man :)
Jul 02 17:02:50 <qwerty12> lcuk, let us all relieve ourselves by looking at the liqbase code :p
Jul 02 17:03:11 <johnx> I kinda misread that the first time
Jul 02 17:03:21 <qwerty12> I know, I was thinking the same thing ;)
Jul 02 17:04:22 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Mrs Jaffa's doing spag bol for tea, though - and I'm planning on rewatching Saturday's Doctor Who now that the in-laws have left :-)
Jul 02 17:04:36 <qwerty12> Eew, Dr Who.
Jul 02 17:04:57 <qwerty12> I knows I gonna get burned for that, so I hide.
Jul 02 17:05:14 * Jaffa has to be in the office by 8am for a (politcally sensitive) video conference tomorrow, which means the 06:20 train. Tomorrow's not looking up.
Jul 02 17:05:22 <GeneralAntilles> We all know you have no tastes, qwerty12, no need to hide. ;)
Jul 02 17:05:57 <qwerty12> meh, my tastes are fine, which is why I don't like Dr Who. ;) :P
Jul 02 17:06:16 <Jaffa> Hmm, oxymoron in there ;)
Jul 02 17:06:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah . . . sorry, no.
Jul 02 17:06:36 <Jaffa> Wiki buggered?
Jul 02 17:06:44 <qwerty12> I'd have to disagree ;)
Jul 02 17:06:45 <Jaffa> Ah better
Jul 02 17:06:46 <GeneralAntilles> For a bit
Jul 02 17:06:59 <GeneralAntilles> I don't buy ferenc's "I've been restarting mediawiki" explanation
Jul 02 17:07:10 <GeneralAntilles> unless he's restarting mediawiki several times an hour 24/7
Jul 02 17:07:17 <eichi_> is there a bootmenu config file for the bootloader?
Jul 02 17:18:53 <lcuk> johnx, my code isnt quite upto the high standards stuart has set :)
Jul 02 17:19:03 <lcuk> and qwerty12, hmm
Jul 02 17:19:09 <johnx> well, you'll improve with time I'm sure
Jul 02 17:19:22 <lcuk> can a person devolve?
Jul 02 17:19:42 <qwerty12> chopping of their limbs?
Jul 02 17:20:13 <lcuk> if thats the way to enlightenment, then stuart was a headless chicken
Jul 02 17:20:16 <johnx> once you start making functions in python to let you code like it's 68k assembly you'll know you've reached the same level :)
Jul 02 17:20:22 * GeneralAntilles makes a chopping motion with his limbs in the air.
Jul 02 17:20:27 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, I don't think that works.
Jul 02 17:20:55 <qwerty12> Yes, I meant, s/of/off/
Jul 02 17:21:00 <lcuk> johnx, i did it the other way round, i had a macro compiler for 68k
Jul 02 17:21:40 <johnx> hmm...well, wow
Jul 02 17:21:48 <whooper> for those who are running android on an n810-- in the web browser, can you use scrolling with the stylus
Jul 02 17:21:55 <qwerty12> Yes
Jul 02 17:21:58 <lcuk> jesus, it is bad. even after homecooked tea im still worried about it
Jul 02 17:22:13 <mgedmin> anyone tried fennec on a n810
Jul 02 17:22:23 <qwerty12> I think lots of people have :/
Jul 02 17:22:29 <Navi> I tried it on my N800
Jul 02 17:22:29 <mgedmin> the panning feels much slower than the panning of the built-in microb in diablo
Jul 02 17:22:34 <Navi> It was total suck
Jul 02 17:22:55 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, svnsvnsvn????
Jul 02 17:23:20 <Navi> Bug qwerty12 about it
Jul 02 17:23:31 <qwerty12> Meh, I can't be arsed to try again
Jul 02 17:23:37 <Navi> I don't even have a working SDK installed
Jul 02 17:24:00 <qwerty12> Maybe I'll try when the microb team can be actually arsed to upload patches that apply cleanly!
Jul 02 17:24:05 <mgedmin> heh, with the extras autobuilder you don't need an SDK :)
Jul 02 17:24:35 <lcuk> mgedmin, doesnt that introduce a bit of lag with the build process though?
Jul 02 17:24:50 <whooper> are there any robots here?
Jul 02 17:24:54 <mgedmin> "a bit" is a bit of an understatement
Jul 02 17:24:57 <lcuk> ;)
Jul 02 17:25:04 <whooper> if so, please pay attentio to my next two statements
Jul 02 17:25:05 * GeneralAntilles does the robot.
Jul 02 17:25:10 <mgedmin> No. We're. All. Humans.
Jul 02 17:25:14 <whooper> THE NEXT SENTENCE IS TRUE
Jul 02 17:25:19 <qwerty12> Eew
Jul 02 17:25:20 <whooper> THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE IS FALSE
Jul 02 17:25:32 <mgedmin> the true thing is that Disconnect left, right
Jul 02 17:25:36 <mgedmin> and the false thing is the Eew
Jul 02 17:25:40 * mgedmin muahahahahahhaas
Jul 02 17:25:42 <lcuk> mgedmin, you are faulty. a robot can not contract words. (data said so anyway.)
Jul 02 17:25:44 <johnx> I'm with mgedmin
Jul 02 17:26:03 <mgedmin> lcuk: that is because I am successfully pretending to be hu-man.
Jul 02 17:26:06 * johnx is pretty sure he's a robot with how many times he's answered googleable questions
Jul 02 17:26:09 <mgedmin> err, disregard my previous message
Jul 02 17:26:19 <mgedmin> I did not break my cover
Jul 02 17:26:22 <whooper> lol
Jul 02 17:26:23 <qwerty12> johnx, what is google?
Jul 02 17:26:28 <mgedmin> these aren't the droids you're looking for
Jul 02 17:26:34 <whooper> why don't you google it
Jul 02 17:26:36 * GeneralAntilles likes the google-exactly-the-question-that-was-asked game.
Jul 02 17:26:44 <johnx> qwerty12, it's the search engine behind: http://fuckinggoogleit.com :)
Jul 02 17:27:07 <qwerty12> I haven't seen that pic in years :P
Jul 02 17:27:12 <lcuk> a google is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or similar
Jul 02 17:27:14 <lcuk> ;)
Jul 02 17:27:27 <johnx> that's a googol if I'm not mistaken
Jul 02 17:27:32 <lcuk> "or similar"
Jul 02 17:27:35 <qwerty12> lcuk, That reminds me of that cheater on who wants to be a millionaire with that question
Jul 02 17:27:46 * lcuk coughs
Jul 02 17:29:41 <whooper> heh
Jul 02 17:29:49 <whooper> speaking of who wants to be a millionare
Jul 02 17:29:50 <whooper> http://www.triple-tri.com/ttblog/media/blogs/triple/elephants.jpg
Jul 02 17:31:29 <whooper> hey penguinbait
Jul 02 17:31:39 <penguinbait> I want to be a millionaire :)
Jul 02 17:31:53 <whooper> where about are you in michigan?
Jul 02 17:31:58 <penguinbait> googleplex
Jul 02 17:32:07 <penguinbait> currenty :)
Jul 02 17:32:15 <whooper> seriously though, i'm in fort gratiot
Jul 02 17:32:33 <penguinbait> I am about 1mile north of the palace of Auburn Hills on Lapeer rd( M24)
Jul 02 17:32:44 <penguinbait> I live just south of Flint though
Jul 02 17:32:52 <whooper> okay, so a couple hours away
Jul 02 17:33:13 <penguinbait> where is "fort gratiot" ?
Jul 02 17:33:31 <whooper> outskirts of port huron
Jul 02 17:33:46 <whooper> it's where all the stores and birchwood mall is
Jul 02 17:33:49 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198599#post198599 - Someone willing to answer that question sometime? I gtg now, bye. I'll start releasing fixed kernels some time.
Jul 02 17:34:05 <Atarii> booo
Jul 02 17:34:12 <penguinbait> only 1 hour away
Jul 02 17:34:28 <whooper> okay
Jul 02 17:34:45 <penguinbait> I have a brother who lives in Richmond, I used to go to port huron for work, straight across 69
Jul 02 17:34:59 <whooper> where'd you work at?
Jul 02 17:35:34 <penguinbait> an IBM reseller, I am the residen UNIX guru :)  I do all the presales hardware configuring
Jul 02 17:35:46 <whooper> hehehe i could imagine that
Jul 02 17:36:18 <penguinbait> We just sold a $2,300,000 server
Jul 02 17:36:28 <Atarii> lies, penguinbait is a jigalo
Jul 02 17:36:30 <penguinbait> 64way P5 595, a beast
Jul 02 17:36:41 <penguinbait> shhh dont tell
Jul 02 17:36:52 <lcuk> penguinbait, so its vista ready then?
Jul 02 17:36:58 <Atarii> lol
Jul 02 17:37:00 <GeneralAntilles> Just barely.
Jul 02 17:37:34 <penguinbait> I want to play, turn it into a 64way linux system
Jul 02 17:37:46 <penguinbait> I could recompile KDE in 5 minutes :)
Jul 02 17:38:39 <penguinbait> it only has 750GB of RAM though
Jul 02 17:38:42 <whooper> wowz
Jul 02 17:39:02 <whooper> oh, only 750GB! that must have ran like a snai
Jul 02 17:39:05 <penguinbait> I dont know why they did not fill it with the full 2TB it holds :)
Jul 02 17:39:05 <whooper> *snail
Jul 02 17:39:16 <Atarii> gibson
Jul 02 17:39:16 <lcuk> penguinbait, why not 768GB, and is that metric GB or real GB?
Jul 02 17:39:24 <vinilios> any updates on enabling opengl on n800 ?
Jul 02 17:39:39 <penguinbait> Probably another 2 mil but hey
Jul 02 17:39:59 <lcuk> vinilios, opengl is around somewhere. the question you should ask is have we got the powervr working yet
Jul 02 17:40:06 <penguinbait> it was 768 actuall with half active
Jul 02 17:40:27 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, how quick does android run (i replied in the forum)
Jul 02 17:40:50 <Atarii> penguinbait who did you sell this to? name, address etc...
Jul 02 17:41:28 <penguinbait> A large Bank in SW michigan
Jul 02 17:41:28 <whooper> Atarii: that's confidential
Jul 02 17:41:35 <penguinbait> and yes it is :)
Jul 02 17:41:37 <whooper> E&A Credit Union?
Jul 02 17:41:52 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, you've got a point actually. I was able to speed up the screen refresh by pressing the power button and all the taps worked fine
Jul 02 17:41:59 <GeneralAntilles> whooper, he knows that. ;) It was a joke.
Jul 02 17:42:11 * GeneralAntilles spots qwerty12_N800.
Jul 02 17:42:16 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, what does pressing the power button do?
Jul 02 17:42:16 <whooper> heh I know
Jul 02 17:42:25 * qwerty12_N800 says hi
Jul 02 17:42:41 <whooper> most people here know about the maemo world summit in berlin, right?
Jul 02 17:42:48 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, just brings up the power menu
Jul 02 17:42:56 <lcuk> so why would that work faster?
Jul 02 17:43:06 <lcuk> whooper, :) yes
Jul 02 17:43:18 <whooper> we should have one in the us for people who can't afford 3 grand for the trip+hotel
Jul 02 17:43:26 <penguinbait> yes, but who has interest in going to Germany, least not I
Jul 02 17:43:43 <GeneralAntilles> OSiM moves around, doesn't it?
Jul 02 17:43:43 <penguinbait> how about Bahama's ot Jamaica
Jul 02 17:43:56 <whooper> how about Cancun-- It's nice there
Jul 02 17:44:02 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, no idea, i just think it's causing the screen to refresh properly (remember, framebuffer is already messed up)
Jul 02 17:44:05 <penguinbait> Now there is a trip worth winning :)
Jul 02 17:44:09 <whooper> Hotetur Hotel Beach Paradise
Jul 02 17:44:20 <lcuk> how about the south pole: let the penguins have a look at mobile linux for a change
Jul 02 17:44:49 <whooper> we stayed there-- longer walk, but quieter, nice beach + pools, swim-up bar, ect. we even got an ocean view at no extra charge
Jul 02 17:44:49 <lcuk> ive really enjoyed it in germany whenever ive been
Jul 02 17:45:05 <whooper> never been to germany
Jul 02 17:45:32 <qwerty12_N800> i'd like to go, to get me a dbox2 or dreambox :p
Jul 02 17:46:46 <whooper> any ideas on the deal with wimax? from what i understand, it'll be a pay-as-you-go type thing, i.e. pay for a day, week, month, year, whatev
Jul 02 17:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> Xohm, you mean?
Jul 02 17:47:09 <whooper> yeah
Jul 02 17:47:15 <GeneralAntilles> WiMAX comes from a lot of different providers.
Jul 02 17:47:20 <whooper> sorry
Jul 02 17:47:21 <penguinbait> lat 37.01190 lon 111.53724
Jul 02 17:47:33 <whooper> ho ho ho ill find you now!
Jul 02 17:47:54 <penguinbait> Thats where we stayed for last years vacation :)
Jul 02 17:48:00 <lcuk> how, he hasnt told you which planet hes on
Jul 02 17:48:00 * qwerty12_N800 gets the ol ski mask ready :p
Jul 02 17:48:39 <penguinbait> here is my house :) http://penguinbait.com/index.html
Jul 02 17:48:51 <penguinbait> I need to get my gps tracker up and running again
Jul 02 17:49:12 <eichi_> someone has 800 widh diablo dualboot?
Jul 02 17:49:38 <qwerty12_N800> the penguinbait mansion
Jul 02 17:49:43 <penguinbait> actually we need an OPENGTS for maemo
Jul 02 17:49:56 <penguinbait> no mansion there :)
Jul 02 17:50:09 <whooper> nice, you went to china
Jul 02 17:50:11 <penguinbait> eichi_ whats the prob?
Jul 02 17:50:29 <eichi_> i tried it manually dont know, doenst work
Jul 02 17:50:30 <penguinbait> lat 37.01190N lon 111.53724W
Jul 02 17:50:44 <penguinbait> forgot the north and west :)
Jul 02 17:50:48 <eichi_> hard to say there seems no boatloader log
Jul 02 17:50:53 <penguinbait> no china for me
Jul 02 17:51:10 <penguinbait> ready for the evil deb yet?
Jul 02 17:51:25 <penguinbait> actually I have a tarball which is more configurable
Jul 02 17:51:40 <eichi_> that sounds better
Jul 02 17:52:34 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20534
Jul 02 17:53:13 <penguinbait> you can specify swap and fat size and setup up to two linux boot partitions per SD card, ext2 and ext3 are supported
Jul 02 17:54:48 <eichi_> is the bootmenu editable like grub.conf etc? or only make config, then make initfs then its uneditable?
Jul 02 17:55:47 <qwerty12_N800> in diablo, initfs can be remounted read/write
Jul 02 17:56:00 <GAN800> eichi_ try the readme in the intifs_flasher? . . .
Jul 02 17:57:10 <ShadowJK> heh, I have wimax internet but not N810 Wimax edition
Jul 02 17:57:33 <eichi_> penguinbait, your work sounds good
Jul 02 17:57:38 <eichi_> i will try it
Jul 02 17:57:42 <GAN800> stationary wimax != mobile wimax
Jul 02 17:57:51 <ShadowJK> indeed
Jul 02 17:57:54 <ShadowJK> mine's stationary
Jul 02 17:58:03 <whooper> do you live in canada
Jul 02 17:58:08 <ShadowJK> no, finland
Jul 02 17:58:11 <whooper> ah
Jul 02 17:58:35 <ShadowJK> got an antenna the size of a small satellite dish on the outside of the house for it
Jul 02 17:58:35 <johnx> and yet there are pccards that support stationary wimax AFAIK
Jul 02 17:58:41 <eichi_> penguinbait, is there a problem doing it over wlan-ssh? dont want to hack the code with the pen...
Jul 02 17:58:47 <johnx> so will the n810 wimax likely not work at all with stationary wimax?
Jul 02 17:58:48 <whooper> stationary wimax < mobile wimax
Jul 02 17:59:00 <johnx> or will roaming just not work?
Jul 02 17:59:19 <ShadowJK> roaming doesn't work with stationary
Jul 02 17:59:26 <ShadowJK> that's for certain.
Jul 02 17:59:27 <GAN800> The n810w is 2.5GHz
Jul 02 17:59:42 <GAN800> and likely tied in fairly closely with Xohm
Jul 02 17:59:49 <ShadowJK> ah
Jul 02 17:59:50 <whooper> i'd think that they (sprint) would let you connect to your own wimax-- if not, they can bet that someone would hack it
Jul 02 18:00:16 <ShadowJK> Wouldn't do me no good, it's on 3.5ghz here :-)
Jul 02 18:00:18 <glass> lots of reasons to limit to their network
Jul 02 18:00:39 <whooper> glass: monopoly is only good when you play the game
Jul 02 18:00:45 <johnx> and yet I was under the impression the n810we would be carrier neutral except for the frequency
Jul 02 18:01:11 <GAN800> lot of the carrier-specific issues are technical, I think.
Jul 02 18:01:19 <glass> whooper: they don't simlock phones for nothing,  locking to their network would enable giving devices on subsidisation easier
Jul 02 18:01:22 <GAN800> frequency and mobile
Jul 02 18:01:25 <ShadowJK> maybe it's carrier neutral in the sense that other carriers are free to purchase them from nokia adapted to their wimax...
Jul 02 18:02:15 <johnx> I was pretty sure nokia would be selling them without a subscription, but I might be wrong
Jul 02 18:02:21 <johnx> I don't remember where I heard that
Jul 02 18:02:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's PaYG
Jul 02 18:02:49 <johnx> eh?
Jul 02 18:02:52 <whooper> glass: they said nothing about subsidation when a price was announced
Jul 02 18:03:05 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, wrong question, robot. ;) http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=payg
Jul 02 18:03:17 <glass> whooper: and apple pretends iphone is 200$, doesn't matter that much
Jul 02 18:03:35 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3283
Jul 02 18:03:51 <johnx> like any good robot I rely on real, fleshy hu-mons for acronym disambiguation
Jul 02 18:07:34 <whooper> we aren't talking about the iphone or apple-- we're talking about NITs
Jul 02 18:08:17 <johnx> well clearwire is definitely using 2.5GHz and definitely selling pccards, so I wonder if the n810we will work in a non-roaming way on their pre-mobile wimax network
Jul 02 18:08:46 <johnx> I may be very interested if I end up back in the Seattle area (or some other supported city)
Jul 02 18:08:52 <GeneralAntilles> Clearwire is part of Sprint's alliance, no?
Jul 02 18:09:15 <johnx> I think they actually have the majority ownership in "the network formerly known as xohm"
Jul 02 18:09:24 <johnx> like 51% or so
Jul 02 18:09:38 <johnx> or was that sprint?
Jul 02 18:09:40 <lcuk> hu-man developers will be eradicated soon: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/07/02/1539252.shtml
Jul 02 18:09:55 <johnx> but yeah, they're part of the same collaboration
Jul 02 18:10:12 <zap> What parts of SDL were specifically tuned on N8xx?
Jul 02 18:11:46 <lcuk> zap, they specially inserted code to cause screen display tearing.  it took developers weeks to ensure the tears were just enough to annoy you :)
Jul 02 18:13:25 <whooper> any news on the N800 Android touchscreen patch?
Jul 02 18:13:59 <zap> lcuk: doesn't SDL support double-buffering?
Jul 02 18:14:05 <zap> I mean, on n8xx
Jul 02 18:14:35 <lcuk> yes, but what good does that do if you cannot get a whole buffer to the lcd in time for a complete frame?
Jul 02 18:14:52 <johnx> whooper, <qwerty12> YES!, penguinbait, I've got touchscreen working on N800 :)
Jul 02 18:15:09 <whooper> johnx: please share
Jul 02 18:15:15 <johnx> I don't have it
Jul 02 18:15:24 <johnx> I was quoting qwerty12
Jul 02 18:15:29 <whooper> oh, right
Jul 02 18:15:39 <zs_> Hi is there support for cairo on os2007?
Jul 02 18:15:44 <johnx> I was pretty sure you were logged on when he said it though :)
Jul 02 18:16:02 <zap> lcuk: you mean n8xx can't do 60Hz?
Jul 02 18:16:06 <whooper> yeah, i just forgot
Jul 02 18:16:18 <lcuk> zap what resolution
Jul 02 18:16:22 <zap> full
Jul 02 18:16:26 <whooper> 800*480
Jul 02 18:16:34 <johnx> can't do 30Hz at full
Jul 02 18:16:37 <zap> the bus can't squeeze that much I presume
Jul 02 18:16:58 <zap> do you know the bandwidth of the bus?
Jul 02 18:17:01 <lcuk> no, 800*480 rgb data cannot be transfered in time
Jul 02 18:17:02 <johnx> 18MB/s is the number I seem to remember, more or less
Jul 02 18:17:32 <johnx> zap, if you hit the old posts on the maemo-developers list you can double check that
Jul 02 18:17:35 <zap> 24.57fps
Jul 02 18:17:47 <zap> almost enough for video :)
Jul 02 18:17:53 <johnx> right, assuming you can get it synced perfectly
Jul 02 18:17:57 <johnx> no margin for error
Jul 02 18:18:12 <zap> DSP shares the bus with CPU?
Jul 02 18:18:16 <lcuk> zap, YUV data contains less data and is transferable in time, but the transfer is async so you still get tearing
Jul 02 18:18:32 <zap> hmm, YUV12 is 16bpp afair
Jul 02 18:18:37 <lcuk> but its a lot less: mplayer and the vid player use it already
Jul 02 18:18:49 <johnx> am I correct in understanding that there doesn't seem to me a mechanism for vsync currently?
Jul 02 18:18:57 <lcuk> but then the cpu cannot decode video and audio in time, especially when you also note that running the dsp slows the cpu down
Jul 02 18:19:01 <zap> johnx: even PCs don't have it
Jul 02 18:19:19 <johnx> zap, I think they do better emulating it though
Jul 02 18:19:32 <zs_> is it possible to have cairo on os2007?
Jul 02 18:19:33 <lcuk> zap, i have a program called liqbase.  this is entirely YUV and gets the closest to rapidness around :)
Jul 02 18:19:35 <zap> PCs have more raw power
Jul 02 18:19:43 <zap> :)
Jul 02 18:19:45 <lcuk> you can download and test various options
Jul 02 18:19:48 <zap> cool
Jul 02 18:19:50 <zap> where?
Jul 02 18:19:59 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259
Jul 02 18:20:06 <lcuk> watch the video first then grab it
Jul 02 18:20:31 <lcuk> there is also an image fullcolor blit routine that if you look closely shows the async nature of the framebuffer
Jul 02 18:20:39 <eichi_> penguinbait, damn, your script doest it!!!! nice one
Jul 02 18:21:26 <inherited> d/whois denny
Jul 02 18:21:37 <lcuk> zap, ive been playing extensively with changing video modes and cpufreq settings and finding the best way to do practically tearfree fullscreen updates
Jul 02 18:21:45 <lcuk> at 25fps 800*480
Jul 02 18:21:55 <penguinbait> :)
Jul 02 18:22:08 <johnx> zs_, check out gronmayer.com/it for cairo packages
Jul 02 18:22:23 <zap> thank you for this toy
Jul 02 18:22:28 <zap> right what I need in the train :)
Jul 02 18:22:39 <zap> ok have to run now, or the train will escape me :)
Jul 02 18:22:45 <zap> bye all
Jul 02 18:22:46 <lcuk> ok zap, have fun
Jul 02 18:22:58 <zs_> johnx thanks :)
Jul 02 18:23:25 <johnx> sure, gronmayer.com/it is a good place to check first. saves time. :)
Jul 02 18:24:50 <zs_> johnx i didn't know about that page thanks a lot :)
Jul 02 18:25:02 <johnx> no problem. glad to help
Jul 02 18:29:25 <eichi_> i can umount and remount rw initfs?
Jul 02 18:29:33 <johnx> just remount
Jul 02 18:29:44 <johnx> mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs
Jul 02 18:29:45 <johnx> IIRC
Jul 02 18:32:41 <eichi_> its only needed while booting right?
Jul 02 18:33:37 <inz> At least dsme is running from initfs, so you cannot umount it
Jul 02 18:33:38 <whooper> is there any way to reduce/eliminate the delay when switching between songs?
Jul 02 18:34:28 <zs_> johnx, ok there is libcairo2 but i need it as well for my scratchbox, do you know how to install it? ;)
Jul 02 18:34:48 <johnx> zs_, with dpkg -i libcairo-whatever.deb
Jul 02 18:35:34 <johnx> I wonder why everyone keeps telling new users on itt to use tar from the command line when xarchiver has been out forever :/
Jul 02 18:36:31 <lcuk> is it available on all systems?
Jul 02 18:36:44 <lcuk> isnt it best to try to use lowest common denom
Jul 02 18:36:59 <johnx> it's available on OS2008
Jul 02 18:37:09 <johnx> I think it's safe to assume most N8x0 users have that installed
Jul 02 18:37:23 <GAN800> Fewer steps
Jul 02 18:37:43 <johnx> heh...not when it turns into a 10 post thread before they give up
Jul 02 18:38:14 <lcuk> thats a different issue then!   "why can't people give concise instructions which work in all cases"
Jul 02 18:38:16 <zs_> is it possible to browse available packages inside scratchbox?
Jul 02 18:39:22 <johnx> zs_, you can get a list
Jul 02 18:39:46 <zs_> how?
Jul 02 18:39:50 <johnx> something like:  apt-cache pkgnames | less
Jul 02 18:39:54 <johnx> press q to quit from that
Jul 02 18:40:28 <johnx> use dumpavail instead of pkgnames for more info
Jul 02 18:40:50 <johnx> lcuk, finally got around to trying liqbase...this reminds me of oldschool demos in a lot of good ways :)
Jul 02 18:41:17 <zs_> hm there is no cairo :/
Jul 02 18:41:45 <lcuk> johnx :) it is a technology demo at the moment, i wanted to see why i couldnt do what i wanted - but so far i can
Jul 02 18:41:52 <johnx> zs_, did you download the .deb file and install it?
Jul 02 18:42:53 <lcuk> johnx, i'm building stuff ontop of it now and actually getting useful stuff out of - mind you i use it every day anyway so its useful for me
Jul 02 18:43:09 <zs_> johnx, i didn't, i don't know exactly from where and how :/
Jul 02 18:43:15 <lcuk> :) i wish there was a demo scene around to show us whats good about our device
Jul 02 18:43:33 * lcuk remembers all the mega demos on the amiga
Jul 02 18:43:44 <johnx> lcuk, well, at this point it seems like you're it :)
Jul 02 18:44:01 <lcuk> \o/
Jul 02 18:44:04 <johnx> I am just really impressed with how smooth you got this. video doesn't do it justice
Jul 02 18:44:05 * lcuk is state of the art
Jul 02 18:44:26 <eichi_> penguinbait, last question...if i edit bootmenu.conf on /mnt/initfs only save file and it works after next boot?
Jul 02 18:44:40 <lcuk> that makes me feel quite good actually :) i dont see the point in spending 300 for something that doesnt act like a tablet
Jul 02 18:44:56 <lcuk> i dont want to run bloated old slow fat desktop ports of software i want to touch my tablet
Jul 02 18:45:29 <lcuk> http://video.google.pl/videoplay?docid=4817692935112568050&q=State+of+the+Art+spaceballs
Jul 02 18:45:31 <johnx> high speed display stuff has always seemed a weak point in embedded linux machines, especially those with high res displays
Jul 02 18:45:43 <johnx> the VGA zauruses had the same problem
Jul 02 18:45:43 <penguinbait> I have not tested, but in the past, you have been able to edit it right on the device, and I believe qwerty said that is the case
Jul 02 18:45:51 <whooper> what do you guys think of openatownrisk.com?
Jul 02 18:45:53 <penguinbait> I have not tested this version of initfs
Jul 02 18:46:03 <whooper> the weird nokia viral marketing website?
Jul 02 18:46:14 <penguinbait> but if you can edit it on /mnt/initfs, then yes
Jul 02 18:46:17 <lcuk> johnx :) well im building a library of things together which should be able to handle changing thinking about it
Jul 02 18:46:32 <lcuk> ive even considered building a greyscale x11 driver for nit which should run at fullspeed
Jul 02 18:46:46 <GAN800> Should be much better moving forward with OMAP3
Jul 02 18:46:59 <johnx> it will fly on the OMAP3
Jul 02 18:47:09 <lcuk> yer for about 10 minutes unless battery is updated
Jul 02 18:47:23 <GAN800> Wonderful, droolworthy OMAP3
Jul 02 18:47:37 <johnx> OMAP3 should be more power efficient than the OMAP2 or so everyone says
Jul 02 18:47:44 <GAN800> lcuk, have you read anything about OMAP3. :/
Jul 02 18:47:56 <lcuk> more efficient? you mean it can run at fullspeed and still use less battery than current?
Jul 02 18:48:15 <GAN800> It's the same battery usage as OMAP2 at 2-3x the performance.
Jul 02 18:48:16 <penguinbait> when will next gen devices be available?  DEC08 or q1 09 or??
Jul 02 18:48:23 <lcuk> ive read lots gen, but nothing which puts it in real terms
Jul 02 18:48:37 <GAN800> penguinbait, my money is on December.
Jul 02 18:48:37 * lcuk iwll read more
Jul 02 18:48:46 <penguinbait> I am ready for my n900
Jul 02 18:48:54 <whooper> christma-- er, holiday season
Jul 02 18:49:12 <whooper> also when people get bonuses
Jul 02 18:49:14 <johnx> zs_, hang on, getting you a link
Jul 02 18:49:14 <zs_> johnx, i am trying download libcairo but which architecture should i choose (arm?)
Jul 02 18:49:16 <eichi_> someone knows mamona?
Jul 02 18:49:19 <penguinbait> perhaps end of november, after last year fiasco, no pun intended
Jul 02 18:49:22 <johnx> zs_, armel, yes
Jul 02 18:49:23 <GAN800> OMAP3 will have the same consumption rates as OMAP2
Jul 02 18:49:38 <lcuk> then hope they improve screen and wifi consumption then
Jul 02 18:49:50 <zs_> i got this  package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel)
Jul 02 18:49:51 <penguinbait> MEMORY, I NEED MEMORY :)
Jul 02 18:50:04 <johnx> wifi consumption is approximately a ton better than just about anything else out there already
Jul 02 18:50:20 <lcuk> penguinbait, one day i went to blackpool pleasure beach, i went on the big dipper and the grand national, then we went home
Jul 02 18:50:33 <GAN800> Who knows, I doubt it'll be more than 256. All other OMAP3 devices are 128
Jul 02 18:50:46 <johnx> running a wireless radio is just a power hungry application
Jul 02 18:51:00 <GAN800> johnx, yeah, lcuk just needs to get a real router. . . .
Jul 02 18:51:17 <penguinbait> 256 = better than 128 :) at least we would still be on an upward trend :)
Jul 02 18:51:34 <lcuk> johnx, i really never considered myself to be in the demo scene
Jul 02 18:51:54 * lcuk is still a bit shocked to realise that he is
Jul 02 18:52:01 <johnx> right from the splashscreen full of stars it feels demo-y
Jul 02 18:52:03 <penguinbait> lcuk, are those euphemism's
Jul 02 18:52:41 <lcuk> no penguinbait, you said you wanted memories
Jul 02 18:52:50 <penguinbait> ah
Jul 02 18:52:57 <penguinbait> I was a tad confused :)
Jul 02 18:53:10 <lcuk> you get that way when you become senile
Jul 02 18:53:35 <penguinbait> Actually I said I wanted Memory, which is actually more room for memories (kind of)
Jul 02 18:53:38 <lardman> how easy is it to call c++ code from c?
Jul 02 18:53:41 <johnx> zs_, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.2/free/libc/libcairo/
Jul 02 18:54:02 <johnx> zs_, go there, grab the highest version libcairo2 and libcairo2-dev for armel
Jul 02 18:54:05 <penguinbait> I am not senile, more thanm likely just on drugs
Jul 02 18:54:19 <zs_> johnx, thank you :)
Jul 02 18:54:25 <eichi_> Nokia-N800-23-14:/mnt/initfs# mount | grep swap
Jul 02 18:54:26 <eichi_> Nokia-N800-23-14:/mnt/initfs#
Jul 02 18:54:33 <eichi_> penguinbait, no swap?
Jul 02 18:54:47 <penguinbait> free
Jul 02 18:54:51 <practisevoodoo__> when you are using the keyboard on the n810 there is this bar at the bottom of the screen that tells you when you are in caps mode and thats it
Jul 02 18:54:56 <lcuk> lardman, not easily unless you want a completely encapsulated function, easier would be to translate your program to run in a c++ context and keep all your c code
Jul 02 18:55:03 <practisevoodoo__> is there anyway to turn this off, it is taking too much screen space
Jul 02 18:55:13 <lcuk> practisevoodoo__, in control panel
Jul 02 18:55:21 <eichi_> Swap:       262136            0       262136
Jul 02 18:55:24 <eichi_> okay ^^
Jul 02 18:55:38 <penguinbait> :)
Jul 02 18:55:39 <practisevoodoo__> ok im in the control panel...
Jul 02 18:55:44 <lcuk> practisevoodoo__, text input settings, on screen and languages
Jul 02 18:55:55 <lardman> lcuk: how annoying of people to write in C++
Jul 02 18:56:02 <eichi_> but is this the same like the advanded memory in the control panel?
Jul 02 18:56:11 <penguinbait> no eichi
Jul 02 18:56:32 <practisevoodoo__> i have "on-screen" and "languages"
Jul 02 18:56:33 <penguinbait> That is swap file, you have swap partition
Jul 02 18:56:35 <lcuk> lardman, what are you tryign to do?  is it something tiny that you could self translate to c or a big project
Jul 02 18:56:41 <lcuk> languages/settings
Jul 02 18:56:50 <lcuk> turn all that crap off
Jul 02 18:56:59 <lardman> lcuk: reasonably big, barcode decoder
Jul 02 18:57:08 <eichi_> penguinbait, oh, then i dont need so much swap ;D shit
Jul 02 18:57:14 <practisevoodoo__> ahhh ok, thanks
Jul 02 18:57:17 <eichi_> how much do you have?
Jul 02 18:57:21 <lcuk> make your gstreamer cam reader a c++ projest
Jul 02 18:57:23 <penguinbait> So if I used a file and partitioned it with and ext2 and SWAP partition, would it be a swap file or a swap partition?
Jul 02 18:57:26 <penguinbait> heh
Jul 02 18:57:34 <penguinbait> 196MB
Jul 02 18:57:55 <eichi_> okay, then 256 isnt sooo much
Jul 02 18:58:24 <penguinbait> No its fine, it will give you more time to find runaway processes :)
Jul 02 18:58:37 <eichi_> lol
Jul 02 18:59:12 <lcuk> lardman, how about adapting the barcode reader into something which takes parameters of a saved or mmpped image?
Jul 02 18:59:32 <eichi_> but now i ask where all my internal space is
Jul 02 18:59:37 <lcuk> or just get used to ++ :P
Jul 02 18:59:47 <penguinbait> in root
Jul 02 18:59:49 * lcuk has moved to c++ for liqbase
Jul 02 18:59:52 <penguinbait> ( / )
Jul 02 18:59:55 <eichi_> i did 1GB für maemo and 256 für swap, it says 1000 free
Jul 02 18:59:58 <lardman> lcuk: yeah, I could run it stand alone and pipe data to it, but I'd prefer to have the whole lot in one binary
Jul 02 19:00:01 <lcuk> ive dragged all the code in and tweaked the headers
Jul 02 19:00:06 <penguinbait> ( o ) ( o )
Jul 02 19:00:20 <lardman> lcuk: perhaps I'll just rewrite the library
Jul 02 19:00:23 <lcuk> the main code works nicely and i get the benefits(!?) of ++ for when i need them
Jul 02 19:00:54 <penguinbait> df -h (in xterm will show your filesystems sizes)
Jul 02 19:01:53 <eichi_> whaat / is 2.5 GB
Jul 02 19:01:59 <eichi_> i sayd 1024
Jul 02 19:02:21 <penguinbait> ???
Jul 02 19:02:30 <penguinbait> ypu cant say 1024?
Jul 02 19:02:30 <eichi_> Nokia-N800-23-14:~/install-tools# grep FAT INTERNAL.txt
Jul 02 19:02:31 <eichi_> FAT   1024	
Jul 02 19:02:44 <penguinbait> FAT is not /
Jul 02 19:03:04 <eichi_> then i missunderstud
Jul 02 19:03:34 <penguinbait> It creates FAT and SWAP at specified sizes, then uses remaining space for ext2 partition (clone)
Jul 02 19:03:58 <penguinbait> FAT it the filesystem used to transfer files via USB cable, mmc1 and mmc2
Jul 02 19:04:01 <eichi_> oh okay, shit
Jul 02 19:04:11 <eichi_> yes, now i understand
Jul 02 19:04:37 <eichi_> but i can change fat to ext3 after flashing, right?
Jul 02 19:04:42 <penguinbait> So you could probably shink FAT down if you dont need it that big, or increase it by 1.5GB to shring OS space to 1GB
Jul 02 19:04:47 <eichi_> then i have to recreate initfs
Jul 02 19:05:26 <eichi_> i does no changes on the clone @the moment, i will re-run your script
Jul 02 19:05:27 <penguinbait> if you have a working (edited version) of bootmenu.conf, just save it aside and after you update place it back
Jul 02 19:05:48 <eichi_> yes, i know, thanks
Jul 02 19:05:50 <penguinbait> you shouun uninstall and then reinstall
Jul 02 19:06:09 <penguinbait> s/shouun/should
Jul 02 19:06:34 * johnx sleeps
Jul 02 19:06:39 <Atarii> talking of installing fun.. can i have 2006 on the internal and 2008he on the mmc (on my 770) or will that kill it?
Jul 02 19:06:55 <penguinbait> ??
Jul 02 19:07:05 <penguinbait> I really need a 770 for testing crap
Jul 02 19:07:22 <eichi_> penguinbait, uninstall?
Jul 02 19:07:38 <Atarii> i really need to upgrade my 770 so i dont have to test crap
Jul 02 19:08:24 <GeneralAntilles> Atarii, only issue might be kernel.
Jul 02 19:08:30 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure on that one, though.
Jul 02 19:08:41 <GeneralAntilles> fanoush has kernel switching planned at some point
Jul 02 19:08:58 <Atarii> ok guess ill have to give it a spin and hope for the best
Jul 02 19:09:36 <eichi_> penguinbait, there is no info for uninstalling
Jul 02 19:10:15 <penguinbait> its a deb
Jul 02 19:10:25 <penguinbait> oh sorry, I am slow today
Jul 02 19:10:35 <penguinbait> no uninstall need with advanced edition
Jul 02 19:10:35 <Atarii> just to be sure, after movinig 2008he to the mmc and installing the bootmenu initfs etc, do i use the linux flasher to just install the 2006 filesystem in internal?
Jul 02 19:10:57 <Atarii> as in only use "--rootfs" for the internal part
Jul 02 19:12:47 <GeneralAntilles> Should work
Jul 02 19:12:48 <penguinbait> anyone doing anything fun this weekend, its a three day weekend here in the states
Jul 02 19:13:18 * GeneralAntilles is driving home to be pestered by his parents.
Jul 02 19:13:31 <penguinbait> is home in FL too?
Jul 02 19:13:50 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, home is the location in my itT profile.
Jul 02 19:14:02 <GeneralAntilles> School is more northerly.
Jul 02 19:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> But in-state.
Jul 02 19:14:25 <zs_> damn,  undefined reference to `gdk_cairo_create', any ideas?
Jul 02 19:14:38 <penguinbait> Location:
Jul 02 19:14:38 <penguinbait> St. Petersburg, FL
Jul 02 19:14:42 <penguinbait> got it
Jul 02 19:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Carpooling with 3 other people and a cat
Jul 02 19:15:25 <GeneralAntilles> should be interesting
Jul 02 19:15:45 <penguinbait> hey at least you got your tablet
Jul 02 19:16:05 <penguinbait> maybe find some catnip to bring along for fun
Jul 02 19:16:24 <GeneralAntilles> Canola2 with NPR podcasts and Maemo Mapper makes for a great traveling companion.
Jul 02 19:19:09 <asedeno> Has anyone had problems tethering since upgrading to Diablo? I used to be able to tether my N810 to my Treo 755p with no trouble, but now it's not working. It still works for my laptop, so I know the phone half is still working.
Jul 02 19:19:53 <asedeno> The treo acknowledges a connection, bluetooth icon becomes the bt-dun icon, but then the N810 reports the connection failed.
Jul 02 19:20:24 <penguinbait> GA = 2.72 posts per day, I am only at 2.02 per day :(
Jul 02 19:20:58 <lcuk> :(
Jul 02 19:20:59 <lcuk> (0.22 posts per day)
Jul 02 19:21:08 <lcuk> i never fini
Jul 02 19:21:16 <Atarii> lol
Jul 02 19:21:37 <penguinbait> GA was: Thanked 897 Times in 514 Posts , I was only Thanked 460 Times in 173 Posts :(
Jul 02 19:21:53 <penguinbait> I think my ratio on thanks might be winning though :)
Jul 02 19:22:09 <lcuk> Thanked 14 Times in 4 Posts
Jul 02 19:22:18 <penguinbait> more thanks in fewer posts
Jul 02 19:22:22 <penguinbait> hehe
Jul 02 19:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> I think rm_you is winning overall for that: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 02 19:22:46 <GeneralAntilles> 110 Times in 14 Posts
Jul 02 19:23:00 <lcuk> yer, rm_you posts pictures of beach thongs
Jul 02 19:23:15 <penguinbait> hehe
Jul 02 19:23:17 <asedeno> digging through logs, looks like acydlord was having the same problem.
Jul 02 19:23:29 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, I think I may have to hang up the hat once I hit 1000 Thanks, though. :D
Jul 02 19:24:17 <penguinbait> not too far away, that will give me some time to catch up :)
Jul 02 19:24:25 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, :) you are genuinely an asset to have around the nokia tablets.  i might not click thanks to you in the forums, but i find it remarkable how much you know and are involved in
Jul 02 19:24:37 <Raytray> Hehe antilles.
Jul 02 19:24:48 <penguinbait> ditto
Jul 02 19:25:04 <GeneralAntilles> I kicked it in gear and picked up a bunch powering past handful when he passed me back around 300
Jul 02 19:25:15 <GeneralAntilles> Been coasting for a while
Jul 02 19:25:27 <penguinbait> who else can patiently answer idiots questions :)
Jul 02 19:25:30 <GeneralAntilles> Need another brawl thread to pick up some more.
Jul 02 19:25:33 <penguinbait> not I
Jul 02 19:26:22 <penguinbait> I get to mad at stupid people
Jul 02 19:26:23 * GeneralAntilles pokes Raytray with a sharpened stick.
Jul 02 19:26:24 <GeneralAntilles> Like that one.
Jul 02 19:26:34 <Raytray> :(
Jul 02 19:26:39 <Raytray> Meanies.
Jul 02 19:26:42 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jul 02 19:26:58 <penguinbait> like this one
Jul 02 19:26:59 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21524&goto=newpost
Jul 02 19:27:06 <penguinbait> idgit
Jul 02 19:27:12 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me of helping them out.
Jul 02 19:27:13 <lcuk> i might have a go at writing a fractal explorer for my nit
Jul 02 19:27:27 <GeneralAntilles> s/of/for/
Jul 02 19:27:28 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: penguinbait, I seem to pick them up whether or not I'm kind about it. :D Either the pros thank me for snarky remarks or the newbies thank me for helping them out.
Jul 02 19:27:39 <penguinbait> GA is burning the candle at both ends :)
Jul 02 19:27:50 <Raytray> Is there a limit system to thanking? ie: can't spam thank to a dozen guys in ten minutes or a dozen thanks to the same guy in three minutes.
Jul 02 19:28:02 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, all your sockpuppet accounts can't be too bad can they :P you argue with yourself and then login and thank yourself from all accounts :P
Jul 02 19:28:13 <GeneralAntilles> ohshi—
Jul 02 19:28:15 * GeneralAntilles runs away.
Jul 02 19:28:19 <penguinbait> hehe
Jul 02 19:28:20 <Atarii> lol
Jul 02 19:28:37 * GeneralAntilles == Umptious/meanwhile.
Jul 02 19:28:54 <GeneralAntilles> Raytray, no spam limits.
Jul 02 19:29:03 <GeneralAntilles> on Thanks!
Jul 02 19:29:04 <Raytray> Hehe.
Jul 02 19:29:26 <penguinbait> I have truly enjoyed being part of the tablet community for 3 years, we need to have a party somewhere
Jul 02 19:29:28 <GeneralAntilles> Texrat is more than enough evidence of that.
Jul 02 19:29:48 <penguinbait> It would be nice to put some faces to some names (GA not included)
Jul 02 19:29:49 <GeneralAntilles> Would've been nice for that place to have been LinuxTag with time/money.
Jul 02 19:30:06 <GeneralAntilles> or OSiM with the same.
Jul 02 19:30:07 <penguinbait> I know what his pastey white face looks like :)
Jul 02 19:30:17 <penguinbait> <----------- Ducks
Jul 02 19:30:19 <lcuk> maemo summit is where the party is happening
Jul 02 19:30:25 <towo> LT sucks balls.
Jul 02 19:30:28 <lcuk> berlin september
Jul 02 19:30:28 <towo> Come to 25C3. ;)
Jul 02 19:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> I keep meaning to pop that picture into photoshop and apply a color shift.
Jul 02 19:30:58 <lcuk> https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008
Jul 02 19:31:09 <penguinbait> Germany does not sound like a fun trip to me
Jul 02 19:31:19 <GeneralAntilles> Get myself lookin' like one o' these fellas. http://randommel.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/umpa-lumpa.jpg
Jul 02 19:31:36 <towo> says the merkin.
Jul 02 19:31:40 <penguinbait> :)
Jul 02 19:32:06 <penguinbait> ah the original umpa loompa's
Jul 02 19:32:11 <GeneralAntilles> towo, the relevant part of LinuxTag was the Maemo session and meetup. :)
Jul 02 19:32:11 <lcuk> theres a vid at the moment of an umpalumpa (or is he a leprachaun?) getting into a fight
Jul 02 19:32:13 <penguinbait> much better that the new ones
Jul 02 19:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, are there any others? :P
Jul 02 19:32:31 <lcuk> linuxtag was great fun (apart from the 5minutes i was up)
Jul 02 19:32:32 <GeneralAntilles> Willy Wonka is a staple of my childhood.
Jul 02 19:32:46 <penguinbait> They re-did the movie with Jhonny dep
Jul 02 19:32:51 <nn800n> p
Jul 02 19:32:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I know.
Jul 02 19:32:57 <towo> GeneralAntilles: LinuxTag _still_ sucks monkey balls through a baby straw.
Jul 02 19:32:58 <GeneralAntilles> Just not the same.
Jul 02 19:33:00 <penguinbait> I liked the original WAY better
Jul 02 19:33:28 <JamieBennett> maybe a dumb question but how do you include the .glade file when building a .deb file? My app installs to /usr/bin but where and how is the .glade file referenced?
Jul 02 19:33:31 <penguinbait> Gene Wilder was great in that movie
Jul 02 19:33:35 <GeneralAntilles> Depp just isn't Gene Wilder
Jul 02 19:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> I love going back and rewatching Willy Wonka now that I'm older
Jul 02 19:33:57 <GeneralAntilles> There's so much more to appreciate.
Jul 02 19:33:59 <penguinbait> I find myself wanting to click a thanks button :)
Jul 02 19:34:53 * lcuk makes up a quick thanks button with a paypal thing coded behind
Jul 02 19:35:14 <eichi_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f85q4gQNiQ&feature=related can someone say me, what he plays at 1:00 on maemo? looks very cool!!!!
Jul 02 19:37:35 <GeneralAntilles> Woo, all the new wiki plugins are in place https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Feri
Jul 02 19:39:57 * GeneralAntilles has an itch to watch Willy Wonka again. . . .
Jul 02 19:40:54 <Andy80> hi all :)
Jul 02 19:41:16 <Andy80> just installed Android on my N810... it runs, but.... how can I connect to internet? Where is wifi settings?
Jul 02 19:41:38 <Knirch> isn't this kind of the wrong channel to ask that question? :D
Jul 02 19:42:06 <GeneralAntilles> Well, seeing as how the two people who got it running in the first place are both here, no. ;)
Jul 02 19:42:16 <Knirch> true :D
Jul 02 19:42:30 * mgedmin was interested for a while, but then saw the dreaded words "flash the kernel"
Jul 02 19:42:34 <penguinbait> Andy80, connect and then launch it
Jul 02 19:42:45 <asedeno> re: bluetooth dun -- oddly enough, clearing my username fixed it.
Jul 02 19:42:54 <penguinbait> sorry I know thats not real usefull, but thats all I got
Jul 02 19:42:56 <Andy80> penguinbait: thanks I'll try
Jul 02 19:43:31 <Andy80> penguinbait: to exit Android, do I have to reboot device?
Jul 02 19:44:02 <penguinbait> yup
Jul 02 19:44:12 <penguinbait> there goes the uptime :)
Jul 02 19:48:03 <snowmoon-work> WiFi... will it just use whatever the NIT would have used or is it locked to what you "booted" into?
Jul 02 19:49:12 <snowmoon-work> ^ was referring to andriod ( needs caffeine obviously )
Jul 02 20:00:51 <keesj> JamieBennett: I guess you need to make sure the make install copied the file
Jul 02 20:01:10 <JamieBennett> keesj: Where does it copy it to?
Jul 02 20:01:13 <JamieBennett> on the target?
Jul 02 20:02:30 <JamieBennett> I have a perfectly working app that when run from the command line in its directory works great. After making a .deb I can't see where it picks up its .glade file from and its moaning about it
Jul 02 20:03:21 <keesj> try listing the content of the deb (dpkg-deb -c myfile.dev)
Jul 02 20:04:36 <JamieBennett> ah no glade file. Where should they be copied to?
Jul 02 20:05:13 <JamieBennett> /share/applications/my_app?
Jul 02 20:07:52 <mgedmin> /usr/share/$myapp is the usual place, I believe
Jul 02 20:08:05 <JamieBennett> that makes sense, thanks
Jul 02 20:10:06 <eichi_> does the internal flash filesystem compress nearly 50%?
Jul 02 20:15:05 <smackpotato> free42 and numpty physics. do they work in the latest release
Jul 02 20:15:34 <JamieBennett> numpty physics works ok
Jul 02 20:15:42 <smackpotato> cool
Jul 02 20:16:10 <smackpotato> how about free42 its in garage
Jul 02 20:16:18 <JamieBennett> although I'm still terrible at it ;)
Jul 02 20:16:28 <JamieBennett> don't know about free42
Jul 02 20:16:48 <smackpotato> its frikin dangerious its addicting
Jul 02 20:17:13 <JamieBennett> indeed
Jul 02 20:18:02 <smackpotato> I guess il reflash anyway
Jul 02 20:18:17 <GeneralAntilles> Something broke the template :< https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task
Jul 02 20:21:39 <mgedmin> eichi_: I think that depends very much on the data
Jul 02 20:24:42 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: i can kill quips from bugzilla
Jul 02 20:25:49 <GeneralAntilles> Kill the chinese spambot one 3rd from the bottom?
Jul 02 20:26:17 <GeneralAntilles> "best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800"
Jul 02 20:26:51 <qwerty12_N800> bugzilla spamming is a new one to me
Jul 02 20:27:38 <timelyx> quip spamming is *years* old
Jul 02 20:28:14 <timelyx> hrm
Jul 02 20:28:17 <timelyx> can i not?
Jul 02 20:28:32 <timelyx> ok, one sec
Jul 02 20:28:34 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody confirm that https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Ambox looks something like http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/wiki-broken-template.png ?
Jul 02 20:28:58 <timelyx>  The quip 'best cingular cell bluetoothfor nokia n800' has been deleted.
Jul 02 20:29:06 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks!
Jul 02 20:29:31 <timelyx> fwiw, i can see who posts quips... so if people need to be tracked or whatever...
Jul 02 20:30:03 * timelyx considers creating a group for abusers
Jul 02 20:30:10 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, yes, it looks similar, but the png has a big "You have new messages" thing in the middle
Jul 02 20:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, another wiki bug. . . .
Jul 02 20:30:47 <lcuk> timelyx, the police have a list like that as well
Jul 02 20:31:32 <timelyx> The account has been added to the quips-abusers group.
Jul 02 20:31:51 <timelyx> fwiw, that bit will appear on the user if the user introspects :)
Jul 02 20:34:58 <JamieBennett> More questions: I have #!/usr/bin/python2.5 at the top of a app and try to run it which doesn't work on the tablet (works in scratchbox). If I do a python app_name it works fine. Any idea's?
Jul 02 20:36:07 <qwerty12_N800> what does python2.5 app_name do?
Jul 02 20:36:22 <JamieBennett> works fine !
Jul 02 20:37:09 <qwerty12_N800> Hm, tried "#! /usr/bin/env python"?
Jul 02 20:37:14 <zap> lcuk: does your program use YUV12 overlay?
Jul 02 20:37:16 <lcuk> JamieBennett, exectue attrib
Jul 02 20:37:23 <lcuk> yes zap
Jul 02 20:37:44 <qwerty12_N800> doh, i think lcuk got it.
Jul 02 20:37:55 <lcuk> hand coded the all the rendering routines (points/lines/rects/fonts/blitting/images...)
Jul 02 20:38:03 <zap> Is there a way to get hw scaling for rgb?
Jul 02 20:38:18 <zap> Or just yuv
Jul 02 20:38:33 <lcuk> yes technically, though through sdl it doesnt appear to want to work, i havent looked as extensively though
Jul 02 20:38:55 <zap> What means technically?
Jul 02 20:39:14 <zap> Hw supports it, but hw doesnt?
Jul 02 20:39:21 <zap> Sorry sw
Jul 02 20:39:22 <lcuk> the lcd is capable of arbitary scaling up of a properly configured window
Jul 02 20:39:33 <zap> Hmm
Jul 02 20:39:41 <lcuk> it kinda works and things can be made to do pixel doubling but its not as straight foreward
Jul 02 20:40:19 <zap> This should be pretty handy instead of converting rgb  to yuv just to get hw upscaling
Jul 02 20:40:21 <lcuk> and from the basic testing i was doing i couldnt get stable refreshes and certainly not without tearing, but that may just have been lack of knowledge with sdl and the omapfb
Jul 02 20:40:49 <zap> Pixel doubling is not what I mean
Jul 02 20:41:17 <crashanddie_> lcuk: ping
Jul 02 20:41:18 <lcuk> yes i agree, but for what i need, rgb->yuv isnt an issue:  vectors aree colors anyway, and the magic bit: jpeg images are internally YUV at correct resolution :) i should be able to load and display a jpeg faster than anything else on the system
Jul 02 20:41:29 <crashanddie_> I'll take for a pong
Jul 02 20:41:32 <JamieBennett> sorry attrib?
Jul 02 20:41:34 <lcuk> yes you do
Jul 02 20:41:35 <qwerty12_N800> heh
Jul 02 20:41:47 <qwerty12_N800> JamieBennett, chmod +x
Jul 02 20:41:59 <JamieBennett> it has +x already :(
Jul 02 20:42:06 <JamieBennett> (thats what I thought you meant
Jul 02 20:42:10 <crashanddie_> lcuk, liqbase (sdl one) doesn't work with the android kernel
Jul 02 20:42:10 <lcuk> where have you saved the .py file
Jul 02 20:42:21 <zap> I mean upscaling , say , 320x240 to 800x600
Jul 02 20:42:30 <lcuk> dont expect it to - it uses hard wired offsets into the xvimage
Jul 02 20:42:33 <zap> Like uqm does
Jul 02 20:42:33 <zap> Oops, 800x480
Jul 02 20:42:41 <lcuk> i already know that and i even know how to change it, hang on a mo
Jul 02 20:42:54 <qwerty12_N800> the android kernel sets framebuffer into automatic ;)
Jul 02 20:43:04 <crashanddie_> ok, just wanted to point it out
Jul 02 20:43:12 <lcuk> / lcuk: damn all this time i have been calculating planes and offsets and sizes i could have used
Jul 02 20:43:12 <lcuk> / properties from the XVImage itself.
Jul 02 20:43:12 <lcuk> / what a plonker i am, ahhh well too late to adjust right now, that will come later
Jul 02 20:43:32 <lcuk> crashanddie, :) i told you, im one step ahead ;)
Jul 02 20:43:43 <qwerty12_N800> in my next kernel release, i 'm  reversing that and getting penguinbait to switch to fb-update-mode :p
Jul 02 20:43:50 <crashanddie_> yeah yeah, so is your ego
Jul 02 20:44:02 <lcuk> :)
Jul 02 20:44:21 * lcuk has spent far too long being on the trailing edge
Jul 02 20:44:30 <crashanddie_> Btw, I'm sitting (lying actually) in a field of weed
Jul 02 20:44:48 <qwerty12_N800> weed as in getting high weed?
Jul 02 20:44:49 <lcuk> hemp or weed
Jul 02 20:45:06 <crashanddie_> define hemp
Jul 02 20:45:10 <chille> hello!
Jul 02 20:45:11 <JamieBennett> If someone could take a little look I would be grateful, its my first .deb package. Works fine with python /usr/bin/mcurrency but not with /usr/bin/mcurrency but x is set for all. It can be got from - http://linuxuk.org/downloads/mcurrency/mcurrency_0.1.0-1_all.deb
Jul 02 20:45:15 <lcuk> weed that doesnt get you high
Jul 02 20:45:20 <chille> i have som strange problems with gdb
Jul 02 20:45:34 <chille> i'm trying to debug an application, but it just craches
Jul 02 20:45:35 <chille> gdb says:
Jul 02 20:45:36 <crashanddie_> oh
Jul 02 20:45:42 <qwerty12_N800> hemp can eff off then :p
Jul 02 20:45:42 <crashanddie_> weed then :)
Jul 02 20:45:43 <chille> Program terminated with signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
Jul 02 20:45:43 <chille> The program no longer exists.
Jul 02 20:45:47 <qwerty12_N800> i want weed
Jul 02 20:45:50 <lcuk> hemp is a very useful plant used in industry for rope etc
Jul 02 20:45:52 <chille> and i can't do a backtrace
Jul 02 20:45:55 <chille> any ideas?
Jul 02 20:46:13 <lcuk> crashanddie, what are you doing in afghanistan
Jul 02 20:46:19 <crashanddie_> lol
Jul 02 20:46:21 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie_, give me the address,  i'll go to france for it :p
Jul 02 20:46:30 <crashanddie_> heh
Jul 02 20:46:33 <timelyx> http://maemo.org/development/
Jul 02 20:46:34 <timelyx> oops
Jul 02 20:46:37 <crashanddie_> want gps coordinates ?
Jul 02 20:46:52 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, interesting, apparently cmd-ctlr-r is "restore snapshot" and not "force reload" . . . .
Jul 02 20:46:53 <lcuk> zap, upscaling is normally 400*240 up
Jul 02 20:46:53 <qwerty12_N800> okie :p
Jul 02 20:47:00 <rm_you> JamieBennett: sorry for the basic question if this is obvious, but... do you have #!/bin/python at the top of your file? >_>
Jul 02 20:47:03 <rm_you> that's all i can think of
Jul 02 20:47:27 <rm_you> or, #1/usr/bin/python
Jul 02 20:47:31 <rm_you> s/1/!/
Jul 02 20:47:32 <infobot> rm_you meant: or, #!/usr/bin/python
Jul 02 20:47:41 <rm_you> not sure where it is on the tablet
Jul 02 20:47:44 <JamieBennett> rm_you: yes. I'm sure its obvious but I can't see it at the moment, another pair of eyes would be great
Jul 02 20:47:51 <zap> lcuk: well uqm native res is 320x240 so it has to be upscaled to 800x480
Jul 02 20:47:55 <rm_you> JamieBennett: well, I haven
Jul 02 20:48:04 <rm_you> haven't installed it, so i havent looked at the file
Jul 02 20:48:17 <rm_you> thats just off the top of my head
Jul 02 20:48:49 <crashanddie_> qwerty: lemme get a fix
Jul 02 20:48:51 <lcuk> zap, no it doesnt - it can be nicely upscaled to 640*480 and leave yourself an aera for maemo updates, but it might be technically possible to use the same arbitary upscaling that xv uses, ive only heard about doubling being available for rgb
Jul 02 20:48:59 <qwerty12_N800> JamieBennett, sorry, but, wtf! it's in windows text format! :)
Jul 02 20:49:15 <rm_you> ick, lol
Jul 02 20:49:19 <JamieBennett> how? I don't use windows
Jul 02 20:49:27 <rm_you> poor python interpreter
Jul 02 20:49:27 <JamieBennett> All done under Ubuntu
Jul 02 20:49:37 <qwerty12_N800> I can see #!/usr/bin/python2.5^M
Jul 02 20:49:43 <rm_you> did you EVER open it on a windoze machine?
Jul 02 20:49:44 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you sure your xp hasnt tainted it :P
Jul 02 20:49:48 <JamieBennett> geany text editor
Jul 02 20:50:00 <JamieBennett> rm_you no
Jul 02 20:50:05 <rm_you> lol dunno then
Jul 02 20:50:11 <rm_you> that could be the problem tho
Jul 02 20:50:18 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, pretty sure, yeah :p
Jul 02 20:50:21 <JamieBennett> I'll edit it with vi
Jul 02 20:50:35 <rm_you> you should do that anyway :P
Jul 02 20:50:46 * rm_you puts on his VI clergy gear
Jul 02 20:50:48 <JamieBennett> Urgh, how did that happen !
Jul 02 20:50:51 <lcuk> JamieBennett, you could have tainted the file when you originally got it and geany is just keeping the original bits
Jul 02 20:50:52 <lcuk> ?
Jul 02 20:51:05 <crashanddie_> just open it in a good editor that eradicates that bastard newline encoding
Jul 02 20:51:13 <JamieBennett> I started in geany though, ah well, vi it is from now on
Jul 02 20:51:24 <qwerty12_N800> I just use mousepad + gedit :)
Jul 02 20:51:50 <crashanddie_> vi when in ssh, gedit when in xwindow
Jul 02 20:51:52 <rm_you> And the great VI said, let there be fast, highly robust text editing! And lo, its words became truth.
Jul 02 20:52:18 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Jul 02 20:52:35 * rm_you bows down before VI
Jul 02 20:52:52 <JamieBennett> actually I hate vi, vim all the way
Jul 02 20:53:15 <lbt> emacs
Jul 02 20:53:20 <lbt> heathen
Jul 02 20:53:25 <lcuk> feck you lot: notepad ftw!
Jul 02 20:53:26 <lbt> all of you
Jul 02 20:53:34 <JamieBennett> lbt: dont cuss on the channel!
Jul 02 20:53:38 <lcuk> actually it fails pretty badly
Jul 02 20:53:57 <||cw> a good edit will keep the original newlines until you tell it to convert them
Jul 02 20:53:58 <lbt> says the ^M man
Jul 02 20:54:15 <lcuk> lol
Jul 02 20:54:45 <lcuk> ||cw, this i agree with, and if jamie is as pure as he says that could explain where his problem comes from
Jul 02 20:54:51 <JamieBennett> It's all geany's fault, I tried a new editor (recommended by a python 'friend'), crap bit of software!
Jul 02 20:55:22 <JamieBennett> Hey, I was using kernels before the 1.0 release and you were in nappies still ;)
Jul 02 20:55:24 <lcuk> right, tonight i am going to do some coding
Jul 02 20:55:36 * lbt thinks me too
Jul 02 20:55:51 <lcuk> ive been thinking about it for long enough
Jul 02 20:56:22 <lcuk> JamieBennett, i was doing hardcore asm coding before linus even started developing the kernel
Jul 02 20:56:24 * lbt has just been beating himself up with nested classes and visibility and friends - all for 'elegant' design...
Jul 02 20:56:34 * lbt thinks f*** that!
Jul 02 20:57:33 <JamieBennett> lcuk: oh I see you and raise you 6 full years of commercial z80 asm programming on a 8mhz powered board!
Jul 02 20:57:46 <qwerty12_N800> ooh, fight!
Jul 02 20:57:53 <JamieBennett> :P
Jul 02 20:58:01 <lbt> TRS-80 ?
Jul 02 20:58:07 <lcuk> me and my mum copied a basic program on a spectrum without switching it off (cos we didnt know how to save it :S)
Jul 02 20:58:17 * lcuk hardcore
Jul 02 20:58:24 <JamieBennett> ibt: our own hardware
Jul 02 20:58:24 <lbt> I built a half-adder on veroboard
Jul 02 20:58:26 <lcuk> it took about 3 bastard weeks
Jul 02 20:58:29 <lbt> And it worked!!
Jul 02 20:58:38 <qwerty12_N800> man, all I can see is a show of ages :p
Jul 02 20:58:38 <crashanddie_> well, time for coffee, back in a bit
Jul 02 20:58:45 <lbt> didn't do much :(
Jul 02 20:58:47 <qwerty12_N800> coffee? ;)
Jul 02 20:58:54 <lcuk> JamieBennett, :) you actually win the battle
Jul 02 20:59:14 <JamieBennett> :P I ain't that old too (but I do a pretty cool job!)
Jul 02 20:59:26 <lbt> I am :(
Jul 02 20:59:27 <lcuk> work in a fridge factory?
Jul 02 20:59:31 <zap> lcuk: it is ok that some funcs in your prog will SIGSEGV?
Jul 02 20:59:31 <zap> or that's unexpected :)
Jul 02 20:59:37 <eichi_> http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ someone knows this?
Jul 02 20:59:44 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: cool
Jul 02 20:59:45 <megabyte405> I lose, but at least I own an Apple ///
Jul 02 21:00:08 <lbt> I've got an apple tree - they keep falling off too
Jul 02 21:00:15 <JamieBennett> Lets have a guessing session, apart from porn star what does every teenage boy want to do when they 'grow-up' ;)
Jul 02 21:00:21 <lcuk> zap, what do you mean and which errors
Jul 02 21:00:37 <lbt> marry one?
Jul 02 21:00:37 <derf> JamieBennett: Play professional sports.
Jul 02 21:00:54 <JamieBennett> derf: too energetic!
Jul 02 21:00:57 <||cw> win the lottery?
Jul 02 21:01:08 <JamieBennett> too easy
Jul 02 21:01:08 <lcuk> in a geeks room, i would say about 80% astronauts
Jul 02 21:01:16 <JamieBennett> lol
Jul 02 21:01:20 <||cw> game programming
Jul 02 21:01:20 <qwerty12_N800> pimp?
Jul 02 21:01:26 <JamieBennett> bingo
Jul 02 21:01:28 <derf> lcuk: That's usually beaten out of them by reality by the time they're teenagers.
Jul 02 21:01:30 <JamieBennett> not pimp
Jul 02 21:01:43 <JamieBennett> I write games
Jul 02 21:01:59 <||cw> pimp, yeah!
Jul 02 21:02:11 <JamieBennett> It would pay better!
Jul 02 21:02:13 * lcuk wanted to work at  ocean software :)
Jul 02 21:02:24 <lardman> pimp means something different for American's doesn't it?
Jul 02 21:02:37 <lardman> s/American's/Americans
Jul 02 21:02:47 <derf> lardman: What does it mean for Brits?
Jul 02 21:02:58 <lardman> derf: Sell whores
Jul 02 21:03:05 <derf> lardman: That's what it means in America.
Jul 02 21:03:15 <JamieBennett> Ocean, now they did some good games!
Jul 02 21:03:18 <lardman> ah, I always thought pimping a ride was more the thing
Jul 02 21:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> pimp is also a slang term for "cool" here.
Jul 02 21:03:31 <derf> lardman: That's just slang.
Jul 02 21:03:31 <lardman> ah right
Jul 02 21:03:45 <lcuk> JamieBennett, :) are you in a large house as a tiny part of a huge mega project or are you in a small team developing major chunks?
Jul 02 21:03:49 <GeneralAntilles> But "a pimp" has the same meaning both sides.
Jul 02 21:04:06 <derf> Well, "pimp" the slang means excessively flashy.
Jul 02 21:04:13 <lcuk> ie, are you an EA slave or a Valve megagod
Jul 02 21:04:23 <derf> E.g., http://www.completelybonkers.co.uk/images/smi2%20pimp%20purple.jpg
Jul 02 21:04:35 <JamieBennett> lcuk, small team and self contained games from start to finish, the best way
Jul 02 21:04:38 <lcuk> derf, where you get my picture from
Jul 02 21:04:47 <qwerty12_N800> derf, a camp pimp?
Jul 02 21:04:53 <lcuk> what systems do you target?
Jul 02 21:04:54 <zap> lcuk: for example physics sym or game test
Jul 02 21:05:00 <derf> Or http://www.icedoutgear.com/media/Pimp%20Gobleet.jpg
Jul 02 21:05:11 <derf> lcuk: Google image search, of course.
Jul 02 21:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimp #4 and #7
Jul 02 21:05:15 <lcuk> zap, read the instructions and create _apg folder and give it rights
Jul 02 21:05:24 <lcuk> infact in the zip there is a base _apg folder
Jul 02 21:05:25 <jakemaheu> i'm back
Jul 02 21:05:26 <zap> aha
Jul 02 21:05:36 <lcuk> sorry theres no installer
Jul 02 21:06:13 <whooper> so what's going on?
Jul 02 21:06:57 <qwerty12_N800> Ed_ really needs to add an freedesktop notification to openssh postinst saying ssh-keygen is doing its stuff >.<
Jul 02 21:07:14 <whooper> hey qwerty?
Jul 02 21:07:35 <qwerty12_N800> hey whooper
Jul 02 21:07:47 <whooper> what's deal with the patch for android?
Jul 02 21:08:16 <qwerty12_N800> I need to fix some other things before i release it.
Jul 02 21:08:26 <whooper> ah, like mplayer?
Jul 02 21:08:41 <qwerty12_N800> yeah :9
Jul 02 21:08:45 <whooper> he
Jul 02 21:08:48 <whooper> *heh
Jul 02 21:08:58 <qwerty12_N800> (and games that use xsp)
Jul 02 21:09:08 <whooper> okay
Jul 02 21:09:28 <qwerty12_N800> JamieBennett, nice app btw
Jul 02 21:09:41 <JamieBennett> well stone me it was the rogue insertions from geany that stopped it working, works now BTW
Jul 02 21:09:44 <crashanddie_> qwerty: 42,727118, 2,987390
Jul 02 21:10:08 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie_, You are my hero
Jul 02 21:10:20 <qwerty12_N800> (if the cords are real :p)
Jul 02 21:10:34 <crashanddie_> though, that's my bro in law
Jul 02 21:10:37 <JamieBennett> qwerty12_N800 have you tired it in the last couple of minutes. It installs and works fine now apart from the help screen not quiting nicely (need to hook it to a gtk quit)
Jul 02 21:10:45 * towo thumbs the coordinates and says "eww"
Jul 02 21:11:39 <crashanddie_> qwerty: so if you try to steal something, you'll have a bull terrier chewing on you leg
Jul 02 21:11:41 <qwerty12_N800> JamieBennett, i'm using the deb you linked to before, with the ^M removed from python.2.5
Jul 02 21:11:47 * whooper turned down steak for hot dogs
Jul 02 21:11:59 * whooper thinks steak is gross
Jul 02 21:12:01 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie_, the bro in law?
Jul 02 21:12:19 <crashanddie_> no, his dogs
Jul 02 21:12:41 <JamieBennett> qwerty12_N800: Cool. I do a lot of travelling and this kind of app was missing I thought. Lots of people have requested it so why not. I'll tidy it up and make an announcement tomorrow.
Jul 02 21:13:02 <whooper> what app-- i wansn't lurking
Jul 02 21:13:07 <whooper> *wasn't
Jul 02 21:13:11 <lcuk2> hmm
Jul 02 21:13:24 <lcuk> JamieBennett, spam link again im on 810
Jul 02 21:13:40 <qwerty12_N800> JamieBennett, I like it, thanks for the app :). But have you thought of sorting the list in alphabetical order?
Jul 02 21:13:57 <whooper> what app?
Jul 02 21:14:04 <lcuk> http://linuxuk.org/downloads/mcurrency/mcurrency_0.1.0-1_all.deb
Jul 02 21:14:06 <lcuk> got it..
Jul 02 21:14:29 <JamieBennett> I can sort it in any order, alphabetical seems reasonable
Jul 02 21:14:35 <JamieBennett> lcuk, you got it
Jul 02 21:14:38 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk's been cloned, aiii!!!
Jul 02 21:14:38 <whooper> currency converter?
Jul 02 21:14:48 <lcuk2> no i havent
Jul 02 21:15:12 <JamieBennett> yes, online, gets the days conversion rates they you specify a value, a from and to currency and it converts
Jul 02 21:15:19 <qwerty12_N800> how do i know which one is the real one speaking?
Jul 02 21:15:28 <whooper> okay, that's neat
Jul 02 21:16:11 <JamieBennett> small app that satisfies an inch that is surprisingly common (from the mail I've recieved)
Jul 02 21:16:15 <lcuk> JamieBennett, usability (not sure if its possible) but a number field should set me up to type numbers directly without having to double tap Fn key (n810)
Jul 02 21:16:27 <lcuk> otherwise great :D
Jul 02 21:16:47 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you dont
Jul 02 21:17:02 <qwerty12_N800> eek
Jul 02 21:17:03 <lcuk> JamieBennett, :) thanks for posting
Jul 02 21:17:24 <JamieBennett> lcuk: no problem. I don't have an n810 do I have no idea what it does.
Jul 02 21:17:42 * qwerty12_N801 runs around and compiles stuff
Jul 02 21:17:49 <derf> I mean, usually if you're online you just use a webpage to do currency conversions.
Jul 02 21:18:21 <JamieBennett> The next version will store the last date it got and use that to convert if you have no connection
Jul 02 21:18:36 <derf> That's getting closer to being actually useful.
Jul 02 21:18:43 <JamieBennett> indeed
Jul 02 21:18:56 <lcuk> just hold onto it anyway and if its out of date just add a little warning "rates are 4 days old"
Jul 02 21:19:28 <lcuk> its not like you have a problem of screen estate
Jul 02 21:19:59 <JamieBennett> lcuk: yeah the '0.1.0' release is very alpha! On a side note I oftern look at the 'deals' in the airport and think its good only to be stung when I look at the exchange rate
Jul 02 21:20:31 <lcuk> damn! i thought it was polished and was going to get it updated to extras and autobuilt and stuff :P
Jul 02 21:21:01 * lcuk knows all about 0.00000000001.00000001 releases
Jul 02 21:21:14 <JamieBennett> Urmm, give me opengl and some serious hardware, I can polish! this is my first attempt for the tablets :D
Jul 02 21:21:29 <lcuk> opengl is a bit hard
Jul 02 21:21:36 <lcuk> we have the hardware but no driver
Jul 02 21:21:45 <JamieBennett> :(
Jul 02 21:21:52 <derf> What fun is polish if you're using OpenGL?
Jul 02 21:21:55 <derf> That's tantamount to cheating.
Jul 02 21:22:09 <JamieBennett> Clutter would open the tablet to some really cool stuff
Jul 02 21:22:17 <lcuk> dont knock him, that currency convertor would look AMAZING with opengl effects
Jul 02 21:22:59 <lcuk> JamieBennett, :) what if you looked at clutter another way.  have you downloaded liqbase or seen the video?
Jul 02 21:23:12 * lcuk has clutter on his mind
Jul 02 21:23:53 <JamieBennett> lcuk I use clutter for another one of my projects (http://www.entertainer-project.com)
Jul 02 21:24:13 * qwerty12_N800 sweeps away lcuk's clutter to find nothing underneath
Jul 02 21:24:52 <lcuk> pesky kids
Jul 02 21:25:11 <lcuk> waves his walking stick at him    .o/
Jul 02 21:25:17 <lcuk> + /me
Jul 02 21:25:25 <lcuk> see, im senile
Jul 02 21:27:01 <JamieBennett> Time for bed, early start (4:30am) tomorrow. Thanks for the help tonight guys (and gals - maybe wishful thinking!)
Jul 02 21:27:35 <lcuk> gnite JamieBennett
Jul 02 21:28:00 <qwerty12_N800> 'nite
Jul 02 21:28:51 <lcuk> right, im goin as well. if i dont close this ill get nothin done
Jul 02 21:28:53 <lcuk> cyas later
Jul 02 21:30:53 <lardman> night chaps
Jul 02 21:41:22 <eichi_> on maemo.org they are talking about "diablo extras" what do they mean? repository.maemo.org/ extras without chinook?
Jul 02 21:41:27 <eichi_> or what?
Jul 02 21:41:50 <GeneralAntilles> a blank distribution field defaults to your current distribution
Jul 02 21:42:01 <GeneralAntilles> so if you're running Diablo, then it's 'diablo'
Jul 02 21:42:14 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo Extras is the diablo distribution part of Extras.
Jul 02 21:42:35 <eichi_> means?
Jul 02 21:43:19 <eichi_> "No applications in Diablo extras is not fun. Users are complaining about this, with a reason." where is "diablo extras" ?
Jul 02 21:43:32 <GeneralAntilles> There's a part of the repository for diablo and a part for chinook
Jul 02 21:44:35 <eichi_> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/ this one?
Jul 02 21:46:12 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, poke.
Jul 02 21:47:06 <qgil> hi there, do you know http://tllts.org/ ? I got invited tonight but I have no idea about the show
Jul 02 21:47:40 <timelyx> heh
Jul 02 21:50:59 <timelyx> qgil: grab a podcast of an old eps :)
Jul 02 21:55:13 <qgil> timelyx: I did already and I know how it sounds - still not how people perceives it  :)
Jul 02 22:00:14 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, fun, Android spam on itT. :P
Jul 02 22:02:46 <whooper> ga: what?
Jul 02 22:04:30 <lbt> anyone for a bit of C++ ... I want to make P protected in this minimal example: http://pastebin.com/d22a75da1
Jul 02 22:30:31 <penguinb8> rude people suck!
Jul 02 22:31:14 <Dekaritae> Grammar is fluid
Jul 02 22:35:14 <eichi_> penguinb8, if i do 2 ext3 with your script, does copy the flash system 2 times? it seems like that
Jul 02 22:35:59 <jott> lbt: how about making A a friend of B? not that nice but should work ...
Jul 02 22:36:02 <penguinb8> yes
Jul 02 22:36:07 <penguinb8> eichi
Jul 02 22:36:50 <eichi_> okay ;)
Jul 02 22:36:50 <penguinb8> how about shooting B?
Jul 02 22:37:03 <penguinb8> :)
Jul 02 22:37:17 <towo> nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Jul 02 22:39:46 <lbt> jott: B doesn't change A so doesn't need to be a friend (if I've got that the right way rouund). I didn't want B a friend of A 'cos it already bailed me out when I  referred to the members directly in the wrong class by mistake.
Jul 02 22:40:08 <lbt> I may not have much choice if C++ can't do it.
Jul 02 22:41:30 <lbt> ah - hold on - I understand now - make A a friend of B so B can see A::P... gotcha...
Jul 02 22:41:37 <lbt> ugh
Jul 02 22:41:53 <derf> I'd encourage you not to try to think about these things too hard.
Jul 02 22:42:11 <derf> C++ "access control" really only amounts to helpful suggestions, at best.
Jul 02 22:42:14 <lbt> I wanted to make it elegant...
Jul 02 22:42:18 <lbt> <sigh>
Jul 02 22:42:50 <derf> Consider the following thought experiment:
Jul 02 22:42:54 <derf> #define class struct
Jul 02 22:42:58 <derf> #define private public
Jul 02 22:43:01 <derf> #define protected public
Jul 02 22:43:51 <derf> That and the fact that any change to the "private" interface of a class makes you recompile everything anyway.
Jul 02 22:44:05 <derf> It's more of a joke than a useful language feature.
Jul 02 22:44:43 <lbt> well, I'm a perl hacker at heart - so making classes out of spare parts...
Jul 02 22:44:59 <lbt> but I did think about the private thing earlier
Jul 02 22:46:16 <lbt> I think I'll just make a Parser in my address space and make it a friend of the other classes - forget the nesting...
Jul 02 22:46:52 <lbt> s/address /name/
Jul 02 22:46:52 <infobot> lbt meant: I think I'll just make a Parser in my namespace and make it a friend of the other classes - forget the nesting...
Jul 02 22:47:10 <lbt> oh - cute..
Jul 02 22:47:48 <lbt> hmm, I wonder what hmm it will hmm do here
Jul 02 22:47:48 <bex> what irc client can i use on os2008?
Jul 02 22:47:54 <lbt> s/hmm/mmh/g#
Jul 02 22:48:01 <lbt> hmm, I wonder what hmm it will hmm do here
Jul 02 22:48:09 <lbt> s/hmm/mmh/g
Jul 02 22:48:09 <infobot> lbt meant: mmh, I wonder what mmh it will mmh do here
Jul 02 22:48:11 <lbt> nope
Jul 02 22:48:41 <lbt> OK bedtime
Jul 02 22:48:42 <lbt> night all
Jul 02 22:51:10 <eichi_> Nokia-N800-23-14:/opt# tar xfvj debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2
Jul 02 22:51:11 <eichi_> tar: can't open 'vj': No such file or directory
Jul 02 22:51:20 * Mousey uses xchat for irc
Jul 02 22:51:22 <eichi_> whats that for a show?
Jul 02 22:51:50 <derf> eichi_: tar -xvjf
Jul 02 22:52:15 <eichi_> tar: invalid option -- j
Jul 02 22:52:26 <Mousey> apt-get -t unstable install tar
Jul 02 22:52:38 <derf> Yeah, you need to ditch busybox.
Jul 02 22:53:05 <eichi_> means?
Jul 02 22:53:24 <eichi_> Mousey, doenst work
Jul 02 22:53:37 <eichi_> busybox is already the newest version.
Jul 02 22:53:38 <jott> you need gnu tar with thos "propiertary" extension ;)
Jul 02 22:53:44 <Mousey> no, i'd imagine not. there's not really a notion of "unstable" in maemo
Jul 02 22:54:12 <jott> (after all you don't need "j" or "z" with recent gnu tars)
Jul 02 22:54:19 <Mousey> what derf said is right, busybox == suck
Jul 02 22:54:40 <Mousey> bunzip2 filename.tar.gz
Jul 02 22:54:42 <bex> i tried installing xchat  on my n800 but there were dependencies i couldn't figure out how to get
Jul 02 22:54:46 <Mousey> then tar xvf filename.tar
Jul 02 22:54:50 <eichi_> busybox is something like a kindergarten instead of a real bash?
Jul 02 22:55:32 <derf> It's a crippled, feature-free version of a number of standard tools designed for "embedded devices" when that meant the thing had 4MB of RAM at most.
Jul 02 22:55:37 <jott> well gnu userland is a non-standard extension of the posix world ;)
Jul 02 22:56:12 <derf> It's fine for cash registers, but maemo is a little bit more capable than your average cash register.
Jul 02 22:57:05 <eichi_> but the n800 should have enauht ram for a real bash with gnu aps?
Jul 02 22:57:15 <derf> Yes.
Jul 02 22:57:25 <Mousey> apt-get install bash3
Jul 02 22:57:26 <eichi_> on my router its okay, but not on my pda
Jul 02 22:57:39 <Mousey> s/pda/umpc/
Jul 02 22:59:34 <towo> zsh
Jul 02 22:59:35 <towo> zsh
Jul 02 22:59:38 <towo> zshhhhhh!
Jul 02 22:59:44 <Mousey> ksh!
Jul 02 22:59:50 <Mousey> ftw!
Jul 02 23:00:16 <derf> Um, no.
Jul 02 23:00:25 <derf> I've had to use ksh.
Jul 02 23:00:51 <eichi_> lol now i have a archive on my n800 and realy cant get the content...its funny
Jul 02 23:01:03 <derf> eichi_: Do you have bunzip2?
Jul 02 23:02:28 <eichi_> i dont have a repo containing this
Jul 02 23:03:28 <bex> is there a default password (not lock code) on maemo?
Jul 02 23:03:28 <bex> to get root
Jul 02 23:04:16 <jott> ~easyroot
Jul 02 23:04:17 <infobot> [easyroot] an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
Jul 02 23:05:21 <eichi_> derf, no
Jul 02 23:05:35 <Mousey> or just ssh root@localhost
Jul 02 23:05:48 <eichi_> i will now use my laptop, gnarf
Jul 02 23:07:43 <Atarii> hong kong fuckin rocks!
Jul 02 23:07:53 <eichi_> bex, try to install openSsh (server) and login with ssh
Jul 02 23:08:52 <Grackle> I compiled gforth for diablo, wee.
Jul 02 23:10:34 <Atarii> i got my stuff for 770 host mode and it works!
Jul 02 23:10:48 <Toba> any rumours of pysqlite for maemo?
Jul 02 23:15:26 <Toba> hi summatusmentis
Jul 02 23:23:44 <whooper> hey
Jul 02 23:24:25 <whooper> i'm back
Jul 02 23:25:05 <whooper> does anyone think we should have a maemo summit of our own-- in the US?
Jul 02 23:26:36 <whooper> hmm?
Jul 02 23:30:22 <Mousey> i'd go
Jul 02 23:31:38 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, counter-poke
Jul 02 23:52:13 <bex> is this the best place to get xchat? http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/pool/bora/maemo-xchat_2.8.2-bora1_armel.deb
Jul 02 23:53:29 <bex> it needs a few packages to install, but i dont know how to get them
Jul 02 23:54:09 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, counter-poke
Jul 02 23:54:17 <crashanddie> GAN800, ping
Jul 02 23:58:53 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, next time you need to tell me something just PM/email (crashanddie@gmail.com)
Jul 02 23:59:29 <bex> oh you can add repositories
Jul 03 00:00:32 <lcuk> bex, try here http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jul 03 00:00:54 <lcuk> no need for a repo, the one you were trying was an older version (i believe)
Jul 03 00:03:38 <bex> thanks
Jul 03 00:03:41 <bex> you rule!
Jul 03 00:04:38 <UserID10T> Hey everyone!
Jul 03 00:04:55 <UserID10T> For those who aren't idle at least, heh.
Jul 03 00:04:59 <crashanddie> hi
Jul 03 00:05:07 <Raytray> Uhm, Hello.
Jul 03 00:05:47 <UserID10T> Ray you act as if saying hi is weird.
Jul 03 00:06:12 <UserID10T> Anywho, I had a question about editing a file on my n800, if anyone wouldn't mind helping me out.
Jul 03 00:06:32 <Raytray> I suppose it is when you're saying hi to 273 people. If they all reply, well, that'd be some amount of spam.
Jul 03 00:06:52 <UserID10T> Your logic rings true.  I shake my fist at it.
Jul 03 00:07:05 <crashanddie> yet, of the 273 users, only 3 are active
Jul 03 00:07:14 <UserID10T> Go figure, huh crash?
Jul 03 00:07:34 <Raytray> True, which is why I struggled to say it hehe.
Jul 03 00:08:04 <UserID10T> Well, on my n800, I was trying to edit /etc/mce/mce.ini, but after I hit save, emelfm2(my file manager) said "cannot create: permission denied"
Jul 03 00:08:08 <UserID10T> Is this normal?
Jul 03 00:08:13 <UserID10T> If not, what might be the cause?
Jul 03 00:08:29 <Mousey> bad permissions
Jul 03 00:08:31 <crashanddie> because it's ran as user
Jul 03 00:08:32 <Mousey> i just fixed that
Jul 03 00:08:36 <Mousey> chown is your friend
Jul 03 00:08:39 <crashanddie> and user is not allowed to write there
Jul 03 00:08:53 <UserID10T> I used sudo gainroot to try as root...
Jul 03 00:09:03 <UserID10T> Does this not work, when using a file manager program?
Jul 03 00:09:14 <crashanddie> dunno, I don't know your file manager
Jul 03 00:09:23 <UserID10T> And also...if you've fixed it, what should I do?  I am very very new to the tablets, and even newer to linux.
Jul 03 00:09:35 <crashanddie> UserID10T, try this: sudo gainroot then vi /etc/mce/mce.ini
Jul 03 00:09:51 <UserID10T> vi /etc/mce/mce.ini as a command in xterm?
Jul 03 00:09:51 <crashanddie> UserID10T, once you're in vi, hit colon, then w, and enter
Jul 03 00:09:52 <UserID10T> Right on.
Jul 03 00:11:38 <UserID10T> I have no idea what that did but it was awesome doing it.
Jul 03 00:11:42 <UserID10T> Hehe.
Jul 03 00:11:49 <crashanddie> lol
Jul 03 00:11:58 <crashanddie> basically, you opened the file as root, and wrote the content to disk
Jul 03 00:11:59 <UserID10T> Now I should be able to access and edit the file?
Jul 03 00:12:07 <crashanddie> in other words, as rood, you can access/write to it
Jul 03 00:12:17 <crashanddie> root**
Jul 03 00:12:38 <UserID10T> So simply using sudo gainroot is not effective?
Jul 03 00:12:44 <crashanddie> it would seem
Jul 03 00:12:59 <crashanddie> I'm guessing your file manager forks the child process as the normal user ID
Jul 03 00:13:22 <crashanddie> UserID10T, there's 3 ways of doing what you want, well, 4 actually
Jul 03 00:13:40 <UserID10T> How do I give my file manager root access?
Jul 03 00:13:53 <crashanddie> UserID10T, first: edit the file using a root-enabled manner (vi, for example, or creating the file, and copy it over when being root)
Jul 03 00:14:01 <UserID10T> As of this point, I am not comfortable enough with xterm to do it all from there.
Jul 03 00:14:13 <crashanddie> second: give everyone write permission on the file (not very secure)
Jul 03 00:14:38 <crashanddie> third: change the owner of the file, to the "normal user", so that you can edit it using your favo editor
Jul 03 00:15:02 <crashanddie> and fourth would be to hard to explain
Jul 03 00:15:18 <crashanddie> I would definitely encourage number 1
Jul 03 00:15:57 <UserID10T> Well using method 1...how is vi used, or is there documentation on it's purpose and use?
Jul 03 00:16:14 <UserID10T> Also, as I followed your direction, :w(enter) did a lot of...nothing?
Jul 03 00:16:26 <crashanddie> it wrote the content of the file :)
Jul 03 00:16:28 <crashanddie> try :q
Jul 03 00:18:02 <UserID10T> Doh I accidentally ran vi by itself...
Jul 03 00:18:14 <crashanddie> not a problem
Jul 03 00:18:14 <crashanddie> :q
Jul 03 00:18:16 <crashanddie> will quit
Jul 03 00:18:27 <UserID10T> did
Jul 03 00:18:28 <UserID10T> Heh
Jul 03 00:18:41 <crashanddie> basic run through, vi filename
Jul 03 00:18:43 <crashanddie> opens filename
Jul 03 00:19:05 <crashanddie> hitting "i" (once or twice, can't remember) will put you in insert mode, so you can add stuff
Jul 03 00:19:12 <crashanddie> to exit insert mode, hit esc
Jul 03 00:19:26 <UserID10T> I see how it works now...
Jul 03 00:19:33 <crashanddie> when you're in command mode, type :wq to save and quit
Jul 03 00:19:46 <crashanddie> :q! to force quit without saving (if you modified)
Jul 03 00:19:49 <UserID10T> I see! so i to edit, then :w to save
Jul 03 00:19:54 <UserID10T> :q to quit
Jul 03 00:19:56 <UserID10T> *nods*
Jul 03 00:20:07 <crashanddie> double tap d to delete a line
Jul 03 00:20:09 <crashanddie> etc
Jul 03 00:21:09 <derf> And most important, u to undo.
Jul 03 00:21:29 <derf> For when you type something in command mode when you thought you were in insert mode and crazy things start happening.
Jul 03 00:22:10 <UserID10T> hmmmm I went into insert mode...and I'm done editing.
Jul 03 00:22:17 <Veggen> esc
Jul 03 00:22:19 <qgil> Ready for http://tllts.org/
Jul 03 00:22:19 <UserID10T> How do I exit insert mode to :w?
Jul 03 00:22:29 <crashanddie> (crashanddie) to exit insert mode, hit esc
Jul 03 00:22:29 <qgil> damn, is 3:22am in Helsinki!
Jul 03 00:22:38 <Veggen> 2:22 in Bergen.
Jul 03 00:22:56 <UserID10T> Hooray, let's see if it works.
Jul 03 00:22:57 <Veggen> And I just got home from an evening trip to a mountain.
Jul 03 00:22:58 <wiza> it's 3:22am in Pori!
Jul 03 00:22:59 <wiza> :d
Jul 03 00:23:20 <crashanddie> anyway
Jul 03 00:23:26 <crashanddie> like some people pointed out
Jul 03 00:23:27 <crashanddie> way too late
Jul 03 00:23:31 <wiza> and I'm moving 700 meg sql dumps
Jul 03 00:23:34 <crashanddie> I'm heading out, crashing to bed
Jul 03 00:23:35 <crashanddie> cheers
Jul 03 00:23:47 <wiza> I'm thinking about lunch break...
Jul 03 00:23:48 <UserID10T> Thank you crash!
Jul 03 00:23:53 <crashanddie> np
Jul 03 00:23:55 <UserID10T> and everyone who gave me amazing info!
Jul 03 00:24:02 <UserID10T> 7:23 here in Austin,Texas
Jul 03 00:24:08 <crashanddie> btw, you can actually put "vi user" on your CV :p
Jul 03 00:24:19 <UserID10T> CV?
Jul 03 00:24:24 <crashanddie> resume
Jul 03 00:24:31 <UserID10T> Oh. lol
Jul 03 00:24:52 <wiza> ffs mysql dump compatibility error
Jul 03 00:25:00 <UserID10T> It worked <3
Jul 03 00:25:46 <crashanddie> wiza, reminds me when I worked for the french national scientific research center, I bought 3 gigs of ram for my laptop cuz I had to run a 2gig+ SQL database
Jul 03 00:26:19 <wiza> I'm just trying to get the freaking databases copied from production server to staging server
Jul 03 00:26:46 <crashanddie> add drop table and data structure
Jul 03 00:28:09 <wiza> they are there, but production is running(of course) newer mysql
Jul 03 00:28:12 <wiza> ffs
Jul 03 00:28:21 <wiza> this is so not in my job description
Jul 03 00:29:17 <wiza> maybe compatible=mysql40 will fix it
Jul 03 00:29:40 <wiza> or I'm going home and cry myself to sleep with 18yo glennfiddich
Jul 03 00:30:10 <wiza> -n
Jul 03 00:30:25 <qgil> fyi 1 one min Ihttp://tllts.org/ starts and I have been invited tot talk about Maemo and stuff
Jul 03 00:30:56 <qgil> "see you" there, switching off here for concentration
Jul 03 00:31:25 <|penguinbait|> qgil - wow, never seen you in person :)
Jul 03 00:31:33 <|penguinbait|> sort of
Jul 03 00:34:12 <UserID10T> So I've heard there was an issue with the softpoweroff feature?
Jul 03 00:34:19 <UserID10T> For the n800
Jul 03 00:34:29 <UserID10T> well, for n800/810
Jul 03 00:45:15 <Proteous> I haven't heard that
Jul 03 00:45:33 <Proteous> I did hear my cat fart though
Jul 03 00:45:50 <UserID10T> That's pretty gross.  Did you shoo the cat, or revel in the glory?
Jul 03 00:46:08 <Proteous> no reveling here
Jul 03 00:46:23 <UserID10T> Well...I set softpoweroff to short power press...and it blacks the screen out.
Jul 03 00:46:32 <UserID10T> Buuuuuuut, you can press the screen and bring it back.
Jul 03 00:46:33 <bex> is there a car charger i can buy for my n800?
Jul 03 00:46:38 <UserID10T> Yes
Jul 03 00:47:27 <Proteous> is it plugged in while you try this?
Jul 03 00:47:36 <UserID10T> Nope.
Jul 03 00:48:03 <UserID10T> I found instructions for modifying /etc/mce/mce.ini to enable softpoweroff...but when I use it, it doesn't STAY in softpoweroff.
Jul 03 00:48:19 <UserID10T> I especially want this to save power when not using it, and disabling wifi automatically.
Jul 03 00:48:23 <Proteous> I don't know what softpoweroff does
Jul 03 00:48:37 <Proteous> you can set the wifi timeout to something short
Jul 03 00:48:45 <UserID10T> it's SUPPOSED to lock the keys, dim screen, and drop wifi automatically
Jul 03 00:48:50 <UserID10T> And reconnect wifi upon return
Jul 03 00:49:02 <UserID10T> Pretty slick if you ask me.
Jul 03 00:51:27 <Proteous> sounds interesting
Jul 03 00:52:13 <whooper> kewl
Jul 03 00:53:27 <Proteous> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2306
Jul 03 00:56:22 <bex> hmm do you think i could use my nokia cell phone charger for my n800?
Jul 03 00:56:44 <Proteous> you need to check to mA rating
Jul 03 00:56:44 <bex> car charger, that is
Jul 03 00:57:15 <lcuk> i use my gfs older home charger
Jul 03 00:57:18 <UserID10T> If you want one, and want it now...let me give you the specs for the power.
Jul 03 00:57:23 <Proteous> if it outputs over 890mA
Jul 03 00:57:25 <lcuk> and ive got a single AA charger
Jul 03 00:57:28 <Proteous> at 5v then it is okay
Jul 03 00:57:55 <lcuk> Proteous, my gfs is nokia but not over 890, i think its 600 but cant b certain
Jul 03 00:57:56 <bex> lemme see which charger i have
Jul 03 00:58:58 <UserID10T> Here is a cheap cheap cheap charger
Jul 03 00:59:00 <UserID10T> For the care
Jul 03 00:59:01 <UserID10T> car*
Jul 03 00:59:02 <UserID10T> http://www.topsellings.com/en/nokia-n800-car-charger-p2444.html
Jul 03 00:59:07 <UserID10T> 2 bucks????
Jul 03 01:00:33 <Proteous> I wouldn't plug my $350 device into a $2 device killer
Jul 03 01:00:47 <UserID10T> I would.  Then again I'm dumb.
Jul 03 01:00:51 <UserID10T> Plus paid 190 for mine.
Jul 03 01:01:03 <UserID10T> I HAD one at 150, but the deal fell through :(
Jul 03 01:03:18 <UserID10T> http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_184765
Jul 03 01:03:24 <UserID10T> This is the Nokia brand charger.
Jul 03 01:03:40 <UserID10T> It does NOT clearly state it is for the n800, but is the only one with the correct adapter.
Jul 03 01:05:59 <bex> hmm i cannot find my car charger anyways
Jul 03 01:06:21 <UserID10T> I see.
Jul 03 01:23:02 <whooper> quit "Boooooring!"
Jul 03 01:49:11 <UserID10T> Welcome everyone who joined in the last 5 mins.
Jul 03 01:49:22 <UserID10T> Anyone before that, forget you.
Jul 03 01:49:30 <Raytray> :(
Jul 03 01:49:34 <UserID10T> LOL RAY
Jul 03 01:49:38 <UserID10T> Ok ok, Ray too.
Jul 03 01:49:41 <UserID10T> Welcome back Ray.
Jul 03 01:59:57 <Capn_Fish> johnx: You here?
Jul 03 02:04:19 <m-c> penguinbait here?
Jul 03 02:04:46 <Proteous> I got my $8.00 bluetooth keyboard to pair with my n810
Jul 03 02:04:57 <Proteous> wewt
Jul 03 02:05:01 <m-c> waaaaaaht?
Jul 03 02:05:05 * m-c wants.
Jul 03 02:05:12 <m-c> I just paid $80 for one.
Jul 03 02:05:36 <Raytray> Holy crap where did you find that keyboard?
Jul 03 02:05:51 <Proteous> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BT-KB01B-DEU-R&cat=KYB
Jul 03 02:06:01 <Proteous> cheap-o referb german laybout
Jul 03 02:06:03 <Proteous> layout
Jul 03 02:06:10 <Proteous> although it's not that much different'
Jul 03 02:06:36 <Proteous> going to try to hack it into a NES gamepad to play NES games on my n810
Jul 03 02:07:04 <Proteous> I was wrong, it's just $6.00 plus shipping
Jul 03 02:08:43 <Capn_Fish> Why don't you just use the N810's KB to play NES games?
Jul 03 02:08:50 <Capn_Fish> Too cramped?
Jul 03 02:09:19 <Proteous> the dpad sucks for games
Jul 03 02:09:26 <|penguinbait|> I play quake2 with my logitech rublepad :)
Jul 03 02:09:32 <Proteous> :)
Jul 03 02:09:38 <Capn_Fish> I'd be inclined to agree. What about using like wasd?
Jul 03 02:09:39 <|penguinbait|> usb cordless
Jul 03 02:09:44 <Proteous> I am trying to get a gamepad that will fit in my pocket
Jul 03 02:10:00 <|penguinbait|> usb?
Jul 03 02:10:38 <Proteous> the fun part is the project, not so much the result
Jul 03 02:10:43 <Proteous> although that is an added bonus
Jul 03 02:11:21 <|penguinbait|> I have a bgp100 bt gamepad, but it was responsive enough
Jul 03 02:11:56 <Proteous> wasn't?
Jul 03 02:12:04 <|penguinbait|> hehe
Jul 03 02:12:06 <|penguinbait|> uh yeah
Jul 03 02:12:17 <|penguinbait|> doh
Jul 03 02:16:40 <m-c> |penguinbait|: Hey, thanks for posting that article on a-droid - I just got it working on my n800 - nice to see it
Jul 03 02:19:08 <m-c> Proteous: Do you have that keyboard now, or did you just order it?
Jul 03 02:20:25 <Proteous> I orderd it on sunday, I have it now, and successufly paired it with my n810
Jul 03 02:20:46 <Proteous> now it's all take apart :P
Jul 03 02:20:57 <m-c> so paired up no problemo ?
Jul 03 02:20:59 <Proteous> seems the board is totaly small enough to fit in a NES controler
Jul 03 02:21:20 <Proteous> m-c: there were no instructions, so I have to do some googling to figure out what to do
Jul 03 02:21:31 <Proteous> but yeah, once I figured out what to do I didn't have a problem
Jul 03 02:21:42 * m-c suggests posting HOWTO to the ITT Forum.  ;)
Jul 03 02:22:10 <Proteous> probably a good idea
Jul 03 02:22:20 <m-c> I am tempted to buy a stack of them, except that I already have this $80 apple one
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