**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 04 02:59:57 2008 Jul 04 03:06:36 test Jul 04 03:11:05 hi, I want to know, if Metalayer crawler is open source? Jul 04 03:11:40 not sure alsor, am just heading off to bed Jul 04 03:12:09 thanks :) good dream :) Jul 04 03:12:12 search internettablettalk.com Jul 04 03:12:24 someone should have already asked Jul 04 03:14:53 got it:) Jul 04 03:47:05 lol, cool lcuk :P Jul 04 03:52:55 3 Jul 04 05:11:04 does anyone know why when i try to download from maemo.org sometimes it says the package cannot be found? Jul 04 05:22:51 Hi my scratch box is failing while running this scipt after exporting Display, af-sb-init.sh start, the problem is, It wont launch display in Xephyr. Showing this error message http://pastebin.ca/1061983 Jul 04 05:22:57 Any Idea ? Jul 04 05:25:27 Is there any documentation available about the internet connectivity daemons methods that I can call through D-Bus? Jul 04 06:00:50 andre___: ping :) Jul 04 06:04:46 atul, it sounds like you wouldn't have dbus -package installed Jul 04 06:16:00 inz, No I had install it was privioully all work fine but y'day onwords it won't Jul 04 07:03:43 * timelyx eyes bug 3394 wearily Jul 04 07:10:16 timelyx, interesting, it has the same exact summary but different reporter and description Jul 04 07:12:08 yeah Jul 04 07:12:11 how in the world does one do that? Jul 04 07:13:11 it's possible i left a template link out somewhere... Jul 04 07:15:22 Maybe just a copy pasta? Jul 04 07:19:18 maybe... Jul 04 07:19:28 i'm not quite sure what someone expects to get by doing that Jul 04 07:19:37 i mean, i do appreciate a well written summary if i did write it myself Jul 04 07:19:38 but.. Jul 04 07:21:02 "mebe if i reporter this bug twice eht'll get fixed fastar" Jul 04 07:21:49 Or maybe they think the old report is just for Chinook? Jul 04 07:21:50 Who knows Jul 04 07:38:55 Is nokia.com just completely broken for anybody else? Jul 04 07:41:25 GeneralAntilles: working here Jul 04 07:41:47 Guess the WebKit browsers are choking on it. Jul 04 07:41:49 * doc|home zZzZz Jul 04 07:41:59 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/broken-nokia-usa.jpg Jul 04 07:44:36 looked fine for me Jul 04 07:44:58 /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic Hi this package is not available in my system How to install them any Idea ? Jul 04 07:51:03 wtflol Jul 04 07:51:15 just watching the latest two eps of Dr Who Jul 04 07:52:03 am I supposed to know who Sarah Jane is? I think I remember her kinda, but i have no idea who like any of the people here are (but I have a feeling I would know if I watched Torchwood).... Jul 04 07:54:11 rm_you: shush, i still have to start with season 3 ;) Jul 04 07:56:02 lol Jul 04 07:56:14 oh wait, bah i think Sarah Jane was from the OLD series Jul 04 07:56:18 which i never really watched :/ Jul 04 07:56:22 * timeless ponder Jul 04 07:56:32 aquatix: sorry O_o Jul 04 07:56:33 what does 'previous' mean in a time based planet? Jul 04 07:56:38 'older' or 'newer'? Jul 04 07:56:39 rm_you: :) Jul 04 07:57:00 timeless: i think older Jul 04 07:57:19 Morning, all Jul 04 07:57:27 aquatix: if you're wrong, do i file a bug? :) Jul 04 07:57:30 and technically, on a time-based planet, wouldn't things that were "previous" also be "behind"? :P Jul 04 07:57:33 Yes. Jul 04 07:57:38 rm_you: Sarah Jane was one of Tom Baker's companions. She met the Doctor and Rose in the second series episode, "School Reunion" Jul 04 07:57:40 Older is "next" on maemo planet. Jul 04 07:57:45 Hey, Jaffa. Jul 04 07:57:50 * timeless goes to file a bug Jul 04 07:57:55 Jaffa: oh that Sarah Jane Jul 04 07:57:58 * aquatix knows her Jul 04 07:57:59 Jaffa: ah yeah i remember that Jul 04 07:58:01 with that dog Jul 04 07:58:09 rm_you: After that, she got her own spin-off show on CBBC called "The Sarah Jane Adventures" Jul 04 07:58:14 cool that she comes back Jul 04 07:58:27 yeah i saw like two episodes of the tom baker series :/ Jul 04 07:58:35 B/nick hrw Jul 04 07:58:39 i want to go back and watch it all, IMO Jul 04 07:58:40 * aquatix has a torrent with all the old ones Jul 04 07:58:40 morning Jul 04 07:58:43 just so many epps >_> Jul 04 07:58:46 didn't download them all yet thuogh Jul 04 07:58:54 yeah i had it too, just no space :P Jul 04 07:58:57 and SOOOO MANY EPISODES Jul 04 07:58:59 heheh, me neither Jul 04 07:59:02 yup Jul 04 07:59:20 ack gotta go finish this ep Jul 04 07:59:31 is ep 12 the finale? or are there a couple more? Jul 04 08:22:54 kulve: ping Jul 04 08:28:11 bmidgley: ping Jul 04 08:36:39 lardman: ping Jul 04 08:36:43 sorry, pong Jul 04 08:37:29 kulve: nice to see they listen hey? Jul 04 08:37:41 or they are listening Jul 04 08:38:52 lardman :) Jul 04 08:40:44 lardman, your timer dilemma have you solved it? Jul 04 08:41:08 lcuk_work: no, still a bit lost on that one Jul 04 08:41:38 *$^)(#%^@*^#*()@^)*(&$#V%HNNOY*Rcj9835jc90a7d4()^Q&$)S&@^)($^ Jul 04 08:41:43 lcuk_work: I wonder if I need to link some extra module in, which should have been in the kernel already Jul 04 08:41:59 when i saw your post last night (amongst other things) i went looking and found a high resolution timer thing, lemme see if its in history - what i wasnt confident though was if it was the right one Jul 04 08:42:25 lcuk_work: There are timers, but I thought they were like alarms Jul 04 08:43:06 lcuk_work: does git work? Jul 04 08:43:15 lardman: yes, it is. Jul 04 08:43:54 just finished episode 12 <_< $%@ Jul 04 08:44:28 lardman look at this, my googling i notices something called "dsp/bios STS" http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru819/spru819.pdf Jul 04 08:45:03 lbt, i ran out of time last night but its on machine and ill be reading this weekend. thank you very much indeed though i will confirm asap Jul 04 08:45:25 lcuk_work: won't work as it needs the Ti DSP bridge, and we use DSP Gateway Jul 04 08:45:26 do lbt/lardman wish to have a peek under the covers before garage gets it.. Jul 04 08:45:52 lcuk_work: yes, could be cool :) Jul 04 08:45:58 s/could/would Jul 04 08:46:00 lardman, ok - hence me not knowing enough about the dsp Jul 04 08:46:12 lcuk_work: Thanks for taking the time to look though :) Jul 04 08:46:23 * lcuk_work just has to post the garage description Jul 04 08:46:36 * lcuk_work loves his creative keyword placement Jul 04 08:47:05 buzzword bingo? ;) Jul 04 08:47:29 technology demo featuring finger friendly menus, variable resolution kinetic scrolling fullscreen document viewer, pressure sensitivity sketching with a graffiti wall showing all drawings, cpu throttling adjustments and a fullscreen starfield screensaver. Jul 04 08:47:34 absolutely :D Jul 04 08:47:43 try saying that in one breath! Jul 04 08:48:03 well i tried saying it a bit longer at first and they moaned that it was over 255chars :P Jul 04 08:48:10 * lcuk_work counted the letters :S Jul 04 08:48:33 It's a good old-school Shakespearean sentence, lots of commas only one full stop :) Jul 04 08:48:57 i want to be proud of my nokia Jul 04 08:49:41 Where might I find a Nokian who could tell me if the RTC module was compiled into the DSP kernel...? Jul 04 08:50:00 July 4th spam has started Jul 04 08:50:45 Is that because Tom Cruise was born today? Jul 04 08:51:57 * GeneralAntilles spams bottlerockets at RST38h. Jul 04 08:52:43 * lardman laughs at prodigous usage of noun "bastards" in liqbase :) Jul 04 08:53:21 greetings Jul 04 08:53:48 is there a version o maemo for xscale pdas? Jul 04 08:54:18 Run Debian? Jul 04 08:54:25 Most of the important parts of Maemo have been packaged for Debian. Jul 04 08:54:28 gotta vanish, back later, lardman/lbt :'( dont be too harsh on my coding style Jul 04 08:54:29 debian? Jul 04 08:54:56 with the hilton wm? Jul 04 08:55:19 I'm busy today but will look if I get the chance... l8r lcuk_work Jul 04 08:55:37 With matchbox and Hildon desktop. Jul 04 08:56:10 anyone have tried that ? Jul 04 09:00:04 drako: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/02/09/hildon-desktop-scalability/ Jul 04 09:00:50 thank you X-Fade :-) Jul 04 09:02:01 cool E have a tablet pc to try that Jul 04 09:03:04 lcuk_work: lol cool you define your own absolute value function using a ternary? :P that's sweet Jul 04 09:03:20 i'm already learning neat things and i'm only on the defines :P Jul 04 09:03:32 never the less i need to prepare a prototype for a linux terminal in pdas using xscale processors like those of hp and it would be a killer if its possible to use maemo like system Jul 04 09:12:52 I got this Error message when try to run Xephyer "/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 1: export: `92:': not a valid identifier" Jul 04 09:12:58 How to resolve it ? Jul 04 09:24:17 bbl, gotta reboot into windoze for work :/ ugh. Jul 04 09:28:22 aww, my uptime :( Jul 04 09:28:24 rm_you: btw, is your awesome_app(tm) already in extras? Jul 04 09:28:31 lol Jul 04 09:28:40 adv-backlight? Jul 04 09:29:04 it should be in diablo extras now Jul 04 09:29:19 i guess it's technically "advanced-backlight" Jul 04 09:29:51 ahno Jul 04 09:29:52 dang Jul 04 09:29:55 mixing up people Jul 04 09:29:59 anyways, bye bye 16 days of uptime (since i installed this OS) Jul 04 09:30:01 ah yeah Jul 04 09:30:03 lcuk's thing? Jul 04 09:30:14 i love adv-backlight too though ;) Jul 04 09:30:16 yeah :) Jul 04 09:30:16 i was just looking at the code for it :P Jul 04 09:30:23 it is really neat Jul 04 09:30:33 * aquatix wants Jul 04 09:30:37 glad he decided to release it Jul 04 09:30:47 it may be on garage? Jul 04 09:30:52 or maybe he was going to do that later Jul 04 09:30:56 anyways, gotta reboot Jul 04 09:30:56 bbl Jul 04 09:30:59 pft, 16 days... Jul 04 09:30:59 11:30:49 mbscholt@luna:~/projects/masterthesis/thesis$ uptime 11:30:50 up 141 days, 18:08, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Jul 04 09:31:13 lol, i JUST installed debian on this machine 16 days ago :P Jul 04 09:31:15 heh, cya Jul 04 09:31:21 new OS == give me a break :P Jul 04 09:31:25 ;) Jul 04 09:31:42 sad, it didn't even get to a month <_< Jul 04 09:32:40 ooh, i also have a new kernel <_< Jul 04 09:58:41 hi Jul 04 09:58:53 is there any dbus-guru here? Jul 04 10:08:30 timelyx, pong Jul 04 10:09:48 herwood: hmm, i might count =) Jul 04 10:13:19 anyone tried to update to a new kernell version? Jul 04 10:13:52 That's a question for AStorm Jul 04 10:14:12 i c Jul 04 10:14:28 drako: 2.6.26-rc should works Jul 04 10:14:35 drako: of course forget about wifi Jul 04 10:14:55 what about 2.6.24 Jul 04 10:15:58 robtaylor: I'm trying to create my own dbus service to system dbus. Do I need to do some extra job to get it work? Jul 04 10:16:46 drako: forget about wifi on >2.6.21-nokia basically Jul 04 10:17:27 so to try another kernell can i use the nokia_2420_defconfig to configure the new kernel Jul 04 10:17:28 drako: http://muru.com/linux/n8x0/ Jul 04 10:17:45 so the wifi driver is a nokia hack Jul 04 10:18:32 drako: not particular a nokia hack but it is closed source Jul 04 10:19:41 herwood: you need to add a policy in /etc/dbus-1/system.d Jul 04 10:20:06 see it Jul 04 10:20:14 need the firmware to compile Jul 04 10:20:59 robtaylor: thanks, does it require anything else? Jul 04 10:21:18 herwood: i have no idea how much you've done already Jul 04 10:22:24 robtaylor: Currently I can register my service to session dbus. I've used glib-bindings to do that Jul 04 10:22:40 what about patching the 2.6.21-nokia? Jul 04 10:23:00 drako: you can do that... Jul 04 10:23:44 ok i'll start testing with that then :) Jul 04 10:23:46 herwood: ok, then yea, all you need it to st up teh allows so your service can expose itself on the system bus Jul 04 10:23:59 thank you jott and hrw Jul 04 10:27:04 robtaylor: yeah, I'll try that. thanks! Jul 04 10:27:10 herwood: np :) Jul 04 10:30:12 another question. the filemanager can access samba shares but not those with user authentication is that some configuration i'm missing or is a lack of functionality Jul 04 10:30:40 drako: it's a lack of functionality.... Jul 04 10:31:25 from the filemanager program or the samba support Jul 04 10:31:59 :w Jul 04 10:32:11 uups wrong window ;) Jul 04 10:34:50 drako: i bet it's some stuff missing in libhildonfm but thats just a blind guess... Jul 04 10:36:40 gnome-vfs integration is simple in maemo Jul 04 10:40:33 what about maemo-mapper for diablo? Jul 04 10:40:45 Just grab it from the Chinook repo Jul 04 10:41:02 gnuite hasn't done anything to get it through autobuilder so far as I can tell. Jul 04 10:41:30 building of maemo-mapper outside of scratchbox will result in hard breaking Jul 04 10:42:16 hrw, means? Jul 04 10:43:00 eichi: #include "/usr/include/gpsbt.h" Jul 04 10:43:48 some time will pass until it will evolve from 'I just split onebigfile.c into parts' Jul 04 10:48:52 okay Jul 04 10:48:59 and what about pidgin for diablo? Jul 04 10:49:12 these 2 apps are one of the common used Jul 04 10:51:15 https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo-diablo-armel-extras/logs/pidgin_2.3.1-1nix0.dsc.sbdmock.root.log-FAILED Jul 04 10:51:25 Just pull anything you're missing from Chinook Extras. Jul 04 10:51:48 chinook pidgin is working fine to me Jul 04 10:52:02 and i have upgraded to diablo already Jul 04 10:52:34 * aquatix is happy with telepathy Jul 04 10:52:41 works fine for me Jul 04 10:52:52 with those collabora packages for other IM networks Jul 04 10:52:53 GeneralAntilles: If someone would really care about having pidgin working, that can be done pretty easily. ;) Jul 04 10:53:09 Who is the maintainer? Jul 04 10:53:11 actually i just would like to have the encrypt pidgin plugin Jul 04 10:53:22 drako: otr? Jul 04 10:53:37 that one would be nice indeed Jul 04 10:53:50 yes i know aquatix Jul 04 10:54:04 otr is already available Jul 04 10:54:11 oh Jul 04 10:54:15 which one do you mean then? Jul 04 10:54:25 * hrw is also happy with telepathy stuff Jul 04 10:54:29 pidgin encrypt Jul 04 10:54:42 now I want some good note taking app for diablo Jul 04 10:54:48 GeneralAntilles: Maintainer is Gabriel Schulhof or nix. Jul 04 10:55:01 as when I look into chinook extras I feel nightmares comming Jul 04 10:55:04 need to try the openoffice :-D Jul 04 10:55:22 xournal depends on libgnomecanvas... maemopadplus with hand written deps... Jul 04 10:55:23 I need a spreadsheet Jul 04 10:55:32 drako: gnumeric is in diablo extras Jul 04 10:55:51 I need *working* PIM - calendar/contacts/tasks Jul 04 10:56:00 GeneralAntilles: Hmm he seems to be working for Nokia ;) Jul 04 10:56:04 haven't used gnumeric for ages Jul 04 10:56:24 Ha, so how is he not with the picture? :D Jul 04 10:56:27 GeneralAntilles: So probably gone for the holidays. Finland is closed for summer break ;) Jul 04 10:56:38 hrw you have gpe pim stuff Jul 04 10:56:41 Screwy Europeans. Jul 04 10:56:45 drako: please... Jul 04 10:57:16 drako: I loaded guadec ical into it and notice that switching views make it stick to agenda view Jul 04 10:57:20 well until better comes around Jul 04 10:57:32 drako: not to mention that I had to hand edit ical to get it imported Jul 04 10:59:49 well maybe someone can get sunbird working Jul 04 11:05:10 hrw: tried liqbase for notetaking? :P Jul 04 11:05:18 * aquatix wants Jul 04 11:05:21 *cough* Jul 04 11:05:41 * aquatix is going to write an irssi script that echo's /me wants every time liqbase is mentioned ;) Jul 04 11:05:44 anyways Jul 04 11:05:52 did lcuk upload it to extras? Jul 04 11:05:57 aquatix: then download it? :P Jul 04 11:06:11 aquatix: doubt it, but you can just get it from his googlecode site Jul 04 11:06:13 btw, there is a maemo notes app i thought? Jul 04 11:06:51 Aloha! Jul 04 11:08:33 Well hello there Maemo ! Jul 04 11:09:54 might be absent Jul 04 11:19:45 <|tbb|> hi all, Jul 04 11:21:00 Thoughts on fn call overhead in C Jul 04 11:21:14 Where would one look to get figures/comparisons? Jul 04 11:22:00 *mumble* damn white-on-black websites, they aren't really readable in sunlight Jul 04 11:22:11 <|tbb|> for what is android good for when running on n810 Jul 04 11:22:20 ladman: what exactly do you want to know? Jul 04 11:23:04 |tbb|: mostly fun Jul 04 11:23:08 dneary made me think that perhaps some of the awful sbc performance is down to fn call overhead Jul 04 11:23:16 from what i've heard, it's not very useful Jul 04 11:23:20 awful performance on the dsp that is Jul 04 11:23:36 * rm_you is still looking forward to SBC-DSP :P Jul 04 11:23:39 lardman: ARMEL abi calls functions as follows: Jul 04 11:23:50 rm_you: will try it when it will appear in repo Jul 04 11:24:08 rm_you: or when will have sbox working which rather do not happen soon Jul 04 11:24:22 <|tbb|> i thought it could use the opengl power of the n810 chip ;( Jul 04 11:24:23 hrw: he released the binaries Jul 04 11:24:34 lardman: 1. Return address goes to R14. 2. Stack pointer is in R13. 3. If your function uses any local variables, R12 will point to the call frame with these variables on stack Jul 04 11:25:44 lardman: Registers R0..R3 are considered scratch registers and never saved. When you call a function, first 4 arguments are passed via these registers Jul 04 11:26:14 lardman: So, when you enter a function, the first thing it will do is save all modified registers starting with R4 on stack using stmdb Jul 04 11:26:47 lardman: *If* you are using local vars, R12 will be saved. *If* you are calling other functions, R14 will be saved. Jul 04 11:26:51 RST38h: the fn in question has two pointer arguments and two local arrays Jul 04 11:27:07 lardman: At exit, it will execute ldmia to restore registers. That is all. Jul 04 11:27:07 no other calls from this fn Jul 04 11:27:19 local arrays? how big? Jul 04 11:27:42 Can I have the function source code to look at? Jul 04 11:27:43 int array1[8], array2[5] Jul 04 11:27:50 of course, let me find an url for it Jul 04 11:29:32 RST38h: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/bluez-utils/tags/bluez-utils-3.28-0osso4/sbc/sbc.c Jul 04 11:29:42 RST38h: that's the ARM code anyway Jul 04 11:30:06 RST38h: here's the number of calls: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-June/033918.html Jul 04 11:30:42 RST38h: the dsp code is some 7x slower than the ARM code; I'm now wondering if that's down to an expensive fn call Jul 04 11:31:02 or rather 160672 x2 expensive fn calls Jul 04 11:31:24 Is your C code in ARM or DSP? Jul 04 11:32:02 my C code runs on the DSP, I'd like to compare the overhead vs ARM Jul 04 11:32:23 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2/dsp/?root=dsp-sbc is the same code as runs on ARM (with 16bit byte changes) Jul 04 11:32:42 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk3/dsp/?root=dsp-sbc is code which tries to use DSP intrinisics and dual MACs Jul 04 11:33:10 the fn args are the same, just the internals of the _sbc_analyze_eight() fn Jul 04 11:33:51 rm_you: installed Jul 04 11:34:00 lardman: So you want to know what DSP calling convention is? Jul 04 11:34:33 RST38h: I think I've seen that somewhere in the DSP docs, I'll try to dig it out later on Jul 04 11:35:32 Is sbc.c compiled on ARM or on DSP? Jul 04 11:36:09 dsp Jul 04 11:36:27 hm does the dsp c compiler support inline? Jul 04 11:36:33 yes Jul 04 11:36:45 not sure of the syntax though off the top of my head Jul 04 11:37:46 robtaylor: are you still around? Jul 04 11:37:58 I guess inlining both the sbc_analyze_eight() and _sbc_analyze_eight() fns would rule out the fn calling overhead theory Jul 04 11:44:27 herwood: yep Jul 04 11:45:00 lunchtime, I'll see whether inlining those two makes any difference Jul 04 11:46:47 lardman: Ok. Here is the deal Jul 04 11:47:28 lardman: DSP is completely different from ARM. They have different instruction sets, different ABI, different memory access speeds, etc. Jul 04 11:47:45 lardman: So comparing calling overhead between these two makes no sense. Jul 04 11:48:14 robtaylor: I got my service to run in the system dbus but I still have a problem Jul 04 11:48:22 lardman: BUT! If you show final DSP assembly code, as generated by compiler, there may be a way to optimize it Jul 04 11:48:54 yay! hand-optimizing rules! ;) Jul 04 11:49:07 robtaylor: I have to implement another service's method (from another interface). Do you know that how should I configure the conf-file? Jul 04 11:49:24 herwood: umm, what?! Jul 04 11:49:27 but thats true, sometimes it's enough to see what the compiler actually generated to rething some code pathes.. Jul 04 11:49:36 think Jul 04 11:49:54 I try to be more specific Jul 04 11:49:56 :) Jul 04 11:50:39 RST38h, does the dsp have DMA to the RAM ? Jul 04 11:51:52 hi Jul 04 11:55:18 robtaylor: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/connectivity/osso-obexsrv/trunk/README Jul 04 11:56:54 robtaylor: I'm trying to implement the handler-interface and register my own handler Jul 04 11:57:05 hm is garage down? Jul 04 11:57:07 <|tbb|> is it possible to use the agps feature without open the apgs-ui (gui) tool Jul 04 11:57:09 but it just won't work :P Jul 04 11:58:07 |tbb|: afaiu the agps-ui thingy just sets some gconf settings Jul 04 11:59:07 <|tbb|> oh good to know, perhaps only the lat lan Jul 04 11:59:17 <|tbb|> i could do this my myself then ;) Jul 04 11:59:38 |tbb|: gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/supl Jul 04 11:59:45 <|tbb|> ;) Jul 04 12:00:12 i wonder how long i manage to stay before customers return Jul 04 12:00:12 what is agps all about ? Jul 04 12:00:45 crashanddie: assisted gps, getting faster gps fixes by using additional data Jul 04 12:00:50 crashanddie: its a way of pre-initializing the gps based upon knowledge around you now (ie phone networks/wifi stuff/silly 50mile map) Jul 04 12:01:04 robtaylor: I think that all my problems are related to xml-file (I use it to generate glib-bindings) or to the conf-file Jul 04 12:01:44 so basically, I click on the place I'm at, then launch map, and it'll get a fix faster ? Jul 04 12:01:55 thats the idea Jul 04 12:02:00 as long as you are on earth anyway Jul 04 12:02:07 yeah Jul 04 12:02:14 mornin btw Jul 04 12:02:18 don't plan on any other planet before the next release Jul 04 12:02:20 crashanddie: it will send your proposed location to the supl.nokia.com server Jul 04 12:02:54 jott - it uploads your location? Jul 04 12:02:59 and the server will tell you the satellite positions.. Jul 04 12:03:13 lcuk_mob: that's how i understand it.. Jul 04 12:03:18 what happens with no wifi enabled (in the car) Jul 04 12:03:34 crash: I do not know Jul 04 12:03:50 * lcuk_mob mumbles something about it caching the empharis (sp?) data Jul 04 12:03:56 lcuk_mob: connect with a phone :P Jul 04 12:04:04 ephemeris Jul 04 12:04:07 + almanac Jul 04 12:04:17 ta rst :) Jul 04 12:04:35 almanac tells you the satellite status while ephemeris tell you satellite locations Jul 04 12:04:35 jott, phone is never tethered Jul 04 12:04:57 not sure if the position alone will help with the current agps.. Jul 04 12:05:11 once you have the ephemeris data though i thought that was meant to be valid for months Jul 04 12:05:15 wow Jul 04 12:05:18 it works Jul 04 12:05:29 It works offline, too. Jul 04 12:05:43 GA: Actually, it does not for me, for some reaosn Jul 04 12:05:44 oh, classification? cool Jul 04 12:05:51 got a fix in about 3 minutes in the house :) Jul 04 12:05:52 i can occasionally get a rapid fix without even having diablo, but thats so rare Jul 04 12:06:03 There is a simple experiment you can do Jul 04 12:06:16 Start up Maemo mapper and look at satellite status Jul 04 12:06:24 (RoadMap has an even nicer utility for that) Jul 04 12:06:30 andre___, timeless was poking at it yesterday. Jul 04 12:06:36 hmm, they are already inline Jul 04 12:06:39 If you see satellite numbers at the bottom - it means that you have got a valid almanac Jul 04 12:06:56 lardman, are you still concerned about timing without having a hiresolution timer? Jul 04 12:07:00 If you see satellite dots on the "sky" - it means you have got valid ephemeris Jul 04 12:07:10 lardman: it is not calling overhead Jul 04 12:07:18 lardman: is there an objdump or some other simple disassembler to check what the compiler generated? Jul 04 12:07:20 wanna try something? Jul 04 12:07:26 lcuk_mob: without any timer at all, yes Jul 04 12:07:27 GeneralAntilles, yeah, and I had to go and after that my battery went out of power, so i couldn't see the backlog. cool Jul 04 12:07:32 RST38h: no Jul 04 12:07:38 jott: yes Jul 04 12:07:43 don't wanna try something? ;) Jul 04 12:07:58 RST38h: no to whether it was calling overhead Jul 04 12:08:09 lardman: ok, next guess then: Jul 04 12:08:31 lardman: could you get rid of your two temporary arrays and replace them with a few temp variables? Jul 04 12:08:46 lardman: also, make it as few variables as possible, reuse variables if you can Jul 04 12:08:50 i.e. are you sure the functions are really inlined? Jul 04 12:08:55 hmmmm, thats not a good thing. its like chicken and egg. you said the time() function was returning a strange variable repeated over the lo/hi shorts of a 32bit. wild guess, its not the address of the timing data is it (and static cos thats where you grab it from after the function updates... ? Jul 04 12:09:09 jott: I'll check Jul 04 12:09:15 RST38h: to do what? Jul 04 12:09:33 lardman: to reduce the number of times it has to go into memory Jul 04 12:09:43 memory accesses can absolutely kill you Jul 04 12:09:52 RST38h: if the fns are inlined, then that shouldn't make much difference Jul 04 12:09:53 or relatively kill you Jul 04 12:09:58 lardman: wrong Jul 04 12:09:59 RST38h: oh I see Jul 04 12:10:12 lardman: it is NOT call overhead, it is memory access overhead Jul 04 12:10:35 RST38h: yes, I see what you mean Jul 04 12:10:38 As long as you use a few vars, compiler will try placing them into registers Jul 04 12:10:45 oh Jul 04 12:10:51 But arrays will not be registerized in most cases Jul 04 12:10:53 RST38h: depends how many registers I have then, I need 16 32bit variables Jul 04 12:10:53 reboot in SSH actually works Jul 04 12:11:06 reboot doesnt reboot Jul 04 12:11:07 lardman: you may need fewer - check carefully Jul 04 12:11:10 its annoyed me from day1 Jul 04 12:11:14 reodrder computations if you have to Jul 04 12:11:25 lcuk_mob, well... I do have the feeling it just did Jul 04 12:11:44 ahhh, you mean using the reboot command from ssh Jul 04 12:11:55 aye Jul 04 12:11:56 i thought your ssh session lasted over a reboot Jul 04 12:11:57 RST38h: look at the tail end of _sbc_analyze_eight() Jul 04 12:12:34 RST38h: certainly the t[8] variables could be replaced with registers, but then they probably are Jul 04 12:12:39 herwood: just do an allow_sendinterface Jul 04 12:12:55 RST38h: the whole fn is about memory accesses Jul 04 12:17:36 lardman: do you compile with "-x2 Enable inlining of inline functions" ? Jul 04 12:18:34 jott: -o3 Jul 04 12:18:46 jott: where did you find that flag? Jul 04 12:19:06 in the "c55x dsp programmer's guide" Jul 04 12:20:08 jott: which page? Jul 04 12:20:28 * Jaffa relaxes over an Eat "big bold" soup whilst having a brief breather at a nightmare of a day. Jul 04 12:20:31 40 Jul 04 12:20:39 BTW, anyone trained coLinux or andLinux with Scratchbox? Jul 04 12:20:54 jott: is that 2-18? Jul 04 12:21:20 lardman, read the opening para of this http://focus.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/an/spra865/spra865.pdf Jul 04 12:21:22 Jaffa, qwerty12 is using andLinux, I think. Jul 04 12:21:42 3-2 here...hmm oh that's not from the ti.com page.. maybe it's an older version?! Jul 04 12:22:21 Optimizing C55x Assembly Code Using the Pipeline Stall Analyzer Tool Jul 04 12:22:43 lardman: seems to be an older revision :/ Jul 04 12:23:16 SPRU376A, ch3.2.3 Jul 04 12:23:17 GeneralAntilles; cool, it doesn't look too bloated. VMware's a bit too slow on my work laptop to do bits of Maemo stuff whilst at work Jul 04 12:23:37 could GPS be made faster, theoretically, if one downloade ephemeris from some place that has the ephemeris for all satellites? Jul 04 12:23:44 Does the A-GPS tool in diablo already do this? Jul 04 12:24:07 ShadowJK: That's exactly what it does. Jul 04 12:24:13 nice Jul 04 12:24:57 I had the N810 in the pocket yesterday when I went shopping, then when I came home I discovered maemo mapper had managed to track some of my movements inside the mall.. I was impressed Jul 04 12:25:12 not diablo Jul 04 12:25:46 ShadowJK, yeah, it's kinda awesome in that way, I have to admit Jul 04 12:26:01 when we were walking along at linuxtag i discoverde if you swing your 810 round your head gps thinks you are travelling at 40mph :D Jul 04 12:26:40 anyway, must dash Jul 04 12:26:43 back later Jul 04 12:29:03 jott: to answer the question about whether it has been inlined, I think so is the answer Jul 04 12:29:42 lardman: hm so other places have to be optimized :( Jul 04 12:30:14 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbc.asm Jul 04 12:31:06 sbc_analyze_audio() is the fn which loops and calls those two *eight/four() fn repeatedly Jul 04 12:31:12 does anyone know how to control the MediaPlayer's volume from the shell? Jul 04 12:31:46 mh the "CALL #I$$LMPY" looks suspicious Jul 04 12:32:43 dark, you might be able to do it with dbus-send — you could try to use dbus-monitor to find out the details Jul 04 12:33:29 dbus-monitor ? Jul 04 12:33:58 <|tbb|> have i understand it right, if i open agps-ui it asks supl.nokia.com where the sattelites are. from my last lat lon information which are stored in gconf Jul 04 12:34:18 dark, dbus-monitor is a tool with which you can monitor dbus-messages flying in the bus Jul 04 12:35:10 |tbb|: something like that, but it probably just directly uses the lat long from the map Jul 04 12:35:25 inz: sounds tricky Jul 04 12:36:14 jott: yes Jul 04 12:36:43 hey. is there an application or way to play .flv-files on my n810? Jul 04 12:37:35 jott: right at the end, it's an undefined external ref Jul 04 12:37:48 How to uninstall scratchbox ? Jul 04 12:37:50 lardman: do you have access to http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/summary/112651166/SUMMARY via your university? Jul 04 12:38:05 not sure, am at home atm Jul 04 12:38:42 but will have a look when I head back in Jul 04 12:38:43 robtaylor: yeah, thanks again :) Jul 04 12:38:56 I see some refs to agps.. I have been interested in something really simple. telling the unit where you are aproximately, without the GPS mechanism Jul 04 12:39:02 I have an N800 Jul 04 12:39:18 darkblue_b: yes, we'd like an api to talk to supld Jul 04 12:39:19 lardman: ah you have to do some wild short/long casting Jul 04 12:39:22 <|tbb|> so i can store my lat lan position bymyself into gconf, but from what the map application will know where the sattelites are, will they always take the same tour so you know by anytime where the sattelites must stay Jul 04 12:40:14 Anyone else find the N810 headphone output noisy? :P Jul 04 12:42:38 jott: I'm not quite sure where all those casts are coming from Jul 04 12:44:09 lardman: query .. :) Jul 04 12:44:41 I$$LMPY is presumably a long multiply, though why it's a fn call I don't know, unless it will be expanded later on Jul 04 12:45:40 How does the volume work in N810 anyway, is it just making the DSP or something scale down the samples? Jul 04 12:45:58 Wondering if I'd get less noise if I set volume to max and added an analogue volume control Jul 04 12:48:13 oh yeah, that did improve it somewhat Jul 04 12:48:57 heh Jul 04 12:49:32 If I press stop in media player, the noise goes away too, then the touchscreen sounds also activate the noise, which stays there a second or so after the sound has been played Jul 04 12:50:00 or rather 3 seconds Jul 04 12:50:17 I guess the sound hardware is powered down when not in use Jul 04 12:52:20 my rss feed reader doesnt take new feeds Jul 04 12:52:25 I've seen other people complain about low volume, but I have to set it to about 10% to not blow out eardrums with headphones Jul 04 12:58:14 herwood: did thatt work? Jul 04 12:59:01 generally you do best playing high volume in software then reducing the volume at the last step in the chain (analog op-amp probably) Jul 04 12:59:07 hmm, I've spotted something far more insidious, I've set the code to loop through 5000 times (when processing properly it does 5032 iirc) but not do any calcs Jul 04 12:59:07 robtaylor: there is still something wrong Jul 04 12:59:16 and it takes ~18s, vs ~20s with processing Jul 04 12:59:29 pupnik: Unless you start clipping, of course. Jul 04 12:59:36 damn, my first testing was wrong, looks like the hold up may well be in the data transfer Jul 04 12:59:59 robtaylor: in the glib-bind file, should there be this: Jul 04 13:00:10 ~lart lardman for not double checking Jul 04 13:00:10 * infobot lowers lardman's priority for not double checking Jul 04 13:00:34 robtaylor: or should the interface name be my own eg. org.my.interface? Jul 04 13:00:42 haha @infobot ;) Jul 04 13:02:17 lardman: have you got disassembly somewhere? Jul 04 13:02:44 RST38h: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbc.asm Jul 04 13:03:04 thanks Jul 04 13:03:19 herwood: the former, you're implemebting an interface Jul 04 13:03:37 herwood: sounds like you have a confusion between bus names an interface names Jul 04 13:03:47 herwood: have a slow read of the dbus spec ;) Jul 04 13:06:23 robtaylor: yeah, I've read it a couple of times but there are still stuff that I just don't get.. :P Jul 04 13:06:40 Codel ooksok although I do not quite understand how memory locations are defined Jul 04 13:06:42 herwood: heh Jul 04 13:07:16 herwood: think of well known bus names like dns, uniqe bus names (":1.0") like ips Jul 04 13:07:33 herwood: interfaces are scoping namespaces Jul 04 13:07:47 RST38h: I think this may be an ARM->DSP->ARM transfer bottleneck Jul 04 13:08:44 robtaylor: ok, but how can I tell that I'm implementing the com.nokia.ObexServer.Handler -interface? Jul 04 13:09:14 lardman: can you measure arm->dsp and dsp->arm separately? Jul 04 13:09:31 damn, my brains are freezed.. :S Jul 04 13:09:40 jott: I'll have to write some code and then test from the ARM side with "time" Jul 04 13:09:43 *frozen Jul 04 13:12:06 hold fire on that, looking at the asm, the encode fn was still called Jul 04 13:12:12 ~lart having too many windows open Jul 04 13:12:13 * infobot runs at having too many windows open with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Jul 04 13:12:51 robtaylor: hmm, I think the xml-file is now working Jul 04 13:13:34 lardman: quite possible Jul 04 13:13:57 lardman: is there a reasonably reliable version that I can test with BT headphones though? Jul 04 13:14:19 robtaylor: but should the conf-file include this line: Jul 04 13:15:45 robtaylor: or my own interface in the send_interface..? Jul 04 13:17:31 Right, some confirmed figures now; 5022 data passes (512 8bit bytes from ARM->DSP and 76 8bit bytes (iirc) DSP->ARM) with no encoding, takes 9.21+0.94+2.92s Jul 04 13:18:13 so about half the time is spend shifting data around (as the with encoding case was ~18s +..+.. Jul 04 13:18:31 herwood: both Jul 04 13:18:38 oh Jul 04 13:18:45 lardman: Doesn't that seem like a really low data rate? Jul 04 13:18:50 lardman: yieks is this supposed to be that slow? Jul 04 13:18:50 herwood: i presume your implement a) a serveice that has an interface and a well known bus name Jul 04 13:19:05 Yes, very slow Jul 04 13:19:10 herwood: and b) its also implement a handler inetrface so it can be called by the obex stuff Jul 04 13:19:34 lardman: Can't you pass larger batches of bytes instead of only 512? Jul 04 13:19:55 lardman: something is majorly wrong Jul 04 13:19:56 X-Fade: That's what the bluez code gives me; I could do, but it would produce latency Jul 04 13:19:58 robtaylor: yeah Jul 04 13:20:16 herwood: also note that those interfaces are probably on different objects Jul 04 13:20:19 lardman: Can't you just double the amount to see if it takes the same time? Jul 04 13:20:24 The DSP encode still takes far too long, the ARM code was closer to 3s for the whole lot Jul 04 13:20:36 herwood: so two seperate lots of introspextion xml Jul 04 13:21:20 X-Fade: not with this code, I'm tricking sbcenc into thinking I'm encoding data; I will write a test task to see how long it takes Jul 04 13:21:27 robtaylor: these things are pretty complicated.. :D Jul 04 13:22:29 X-Fade: There are other options for passing the data, atm I use bulk transfers, but shared memory may be a better bet Jul 04 13:22:48 lardman: if there is a shared memory option, use it by all means Jul 04 13:22:59 lardman: 'cause this is what you are supposed to use =) Jul 04 13:23:11 lardman: A 2400 BAUD modem transfers data faster, something must be wrong ;) Jul 04 13:23:24 RST38h: yes, I'll work out how to do the synchronisation with that; I used bulk as it's simple and I thought it was fast enough Jul 04 13:23:54 robtaylor: do you know any good tutorial or document where there things are described? Jul 04 13:23:56 X-Fade: you'll probably find that the amount of data is immaterial, there is simply lots of overhead Jul 04 13:24:20 lardman: use a memory location at the end of the buffer - set it to 1 on ARM side, then set it to 0 on DSP side when it is done Jul 04 13:24:30 lardman: yeah, that is why you should try to transfer larger blocks or shared mem indeed. Jul 04 13:24:32 robtaylor: I've only found the DBus tutorial, but it doesn't decribe all of these things Jul 04 13:24:47 RST38h: and poll on the dsp/arm side while waiting? Jul 04 13:25:03 RST38h: or rather a tight loop looking at that location? Jul 04 13:26:01 lardman: I would say, while(location) usleep(100000); Jul 04 13:26:22 100ms latency - should not be a problem for audio playback Jul 04 13:27:07 ok Jul 04 13:27:12 herwood: yeah, its not great. I usually recommend looking at the examples in the source tree, or looking at other users of dbus-glib Jul 04 13:27:30 Will need to shift the sbc code out of the task and into a thread to avoid poll errors Jul 04 13:27:40 should be a quick job though Jul 04 13:27:47 (fingers crossed :) Jul 04 13:28:03 robtaylor: yeah, I'll take a look at it Jul 04 13:33:47 drako: well, I'm yet to try to run wifi on something newer Jul 04 13:34:13 I can build it for all kernels, but I think there was some kobject change which breaks umac.o nicely Jul 04 13:34:24 making it dereference NULL - a blasphemy ;P Jul 04 13:35:41 I suspect it might even work up to and including 2.6.23 Jul 04 13:35:53 ofc to build wifi for newer kernel, you have to hack the build system etc. Jul 04 13:36:31 and strip most symbols from {umac,mtum}.ko, readd them with a hack ;P Jul 04 13:50:44 ~curse maemopadplus autors Jul 04 13:50:49 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemopadplus autors ! Jul 04 13:55:10 sorry AStorm I was away Jul 04 13:56:24 where I can find libgps{bt,mgr)-dev? Jul 04 13:57:25 AStorm i'm doing my first kernel compilation for the n810 going to flash it now Jul 04 13:58:36 hrw, I think they're part of maemo sdk, and optionally installed to $HOME/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_$VERSION/. apt-repository entry is added to sources.list if you let the installer to do so. Jul 04 14:05:24 lol, the quote on the bottom of the page here seems to be almost entirely lifted from wikipedia: http://www.ddj.com/java/208801979;jsessionid=GZLX3TP3Z1XI0QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=3 Jul 04 14:08:59 I think it's rather rule than exception to quote wikipedia without quotes or references to it Jul 04 14:09:43 Doesn't make it right. ;) Jul 04 14:09:49 I like how he completely misinterpreted the stuff he actually seems to have written himself, though. Jul 04 14:10:29 GeneralAntilles: "Java and the Nokia N10 Internet Tablet" haha also a nice typo in headline ;) Jul 04 14:12:10 mh Jul 04 14:12:48 meh, just another off-by-eight-hundred error Jul 04 14:12:52 GA: DrDobbs hacks also plagiarize Wiki now? Jul 04 14:13:08 [Where is this world going?] Jul 04 14:16:37 Heel Jul 04 14:16:42 s/Heel/Hell/ Jul 04 14:16:43 GeneralAntilles meant: Hell Jul 04 14:16:44 I blame Nokia. Jul 04 14:16:59 GeneralAntilles: In a Handbasket. Jul 04 14:17:03 Why not Microsoft though? Jul 04 14:17:12 Or Google. Jul 04 14:17:31 Because Microsoft hasn't released any products codenamed "Diablo". :P Jul 04 14:20:08 having fun ? Jul 04 14:20:38 Stupid focus bugs are stupid. Jul 04 14:21:29 hence the name Jul 04 14:22:11 That's the one thing that really pisses me off about modern operating systems. Jul 04 14:22:24 They like to decide where the focus should be, and it's frequently not actually where I want it to be. Jul 04 14:23:12 It's not just operating systems. Jul 04 14:23:24 I've yet to see a Mozilla-based browser with a sane focus policy. Jul 04 14:23:52 MicroB's "pay attention to me" bug is fun. Jul 04 14:23:55 It's almost as if the people developing it don't _have_ keyboards, or don't know how to use them. Jul 04 14:24:04 "Look! I'm doing things!" Jul 04 14:25:25 has anyone experienced any problems with modest mail using gmail? Jul 04 14:25:35 yes Jul 04 14:27:01 wnd: is a problem connecting to smtp.gmail.com? Jul 04 14:27:34 no matter what settings I try, it can't connect to send mail Jul 04 14:27:44 pop works fine, but smtp doesn't connect Jul 04 14:28:02 well, the last I checked I didn't have any real blocker problems. I just didn't like the way how modest always downloaded all mail headers instead the latest 50 I had configured it to do get. Jul 04 14:28:26 wnd: what are your smtp settings? maybe I have something set up incorrectly Jul 04 14:28:44 let me check if I still have the settings in place Jul 04 14:28:54 deebus: i started having problems with gmail/smtp yesterday! Jul 04 14:29:09 deebus: it seems that sometime mails are sent but modest reports a problem Jul 04 14:29:23 I can't even connect to smtp.gmail.com Jul 04 14:29:23 seems that I don't have any email settings defined for modest right now Jul 04 14:29:29 deebus: i had no problem for example 3 or 4 days ago.. always using modest and diablo Jul 04 14:29:38 deebus: on ho i can connect fine Jul 04 14:29:46 deebus: smtp.gmail.com port 465 iirc Jul 04 14:30:21 is it set to ssl or tls? Jul 04 14:30:36 ssl Jul 04 14:30:50 login authentication Jul 04 14:31:14 yeah, that's what I have. seems it can't connect to the box Jul 04 14:31:31 is there a way to get more detailed information about why it errors out like that?' Jul 04 14:31:40 like dumping std. err to std. out, or something like that? Jul 04 14:31:45 deebus: don't kwno.. but tell me if you find something :) Jul 04 14:31:56 deebus: It works for me. Jul 04 14:32:41 now it works for me too Jul 04 14:32:54 but yesterday wasn't working.. maybe a gmail problem Jul 04 14:33:01 i didn't test with another client.. Jul 04 14:34:33 lol Jul 04 14:34:41 I must have been tired when I set that up last night... Jul 04 14:34:50 smtp.google.com != smtp.gmail.com Jul 04 14:34:54 I am an retarded Jul 04 14:35:18 *a retard :P Jul 04 14:35:33 right. I was laying it on thick... Jul 04 14:35:46 I'm only joking :) Jul 04 14:36:20 well I'm glad we were able to figure out my boner Jul 04 14:36:31 ...I'm in a strange mood this morning Jul 04 14:41:40 thanks folks Jul 04 14:41:49 I'm going to go pull another boner. my own, of course Jul 04 15:05:51 I'm trying to save a file with my app to /usr/share/applications/app_name. In scratchbox thats fine, on the tablet this dir is made root. Any idea's on how to install the app with this directory writeable? Jul 04 15:06:36 JamieBennett: please learn how unix system works Jul 04 15:06:45 see you on guadec guys Jul 04 15:07:01 LOL I think I know how it works hrw Jul 04 15:07:21 I've used it for the last 13 years :) Jul 04 15:07:23 hrw|gone: have fun. Jul 04 15:07:36 JamieBennett: then why you think that user has write permissions in /usr/ dirs? Jul 04 15:08:01 user should not touch outside of $HOME and /tmp/ Jul 04 15:08:49 I'm trying to package an app up that stores a file it has downloaded. I was under the impression that the tablet apps had to store stuff under their app dir under /usr/share, that obviously isn't the case then. $HOME it is then Jul 04 15:13:54 hmm, semaphores don't appear to ever time out on the DSP... Jul 04 15:30:39 Hey, My charger for my N810 just broke, it is covered by the warantee? Jul 04 15:30:49 How'd it break? Jul 04 15:31:20 mrlanrat1, is it a standard nokia charger? Jul 04 15:31:24 tes Jul 04 15:31:30 *yes Jul 04 15:31:57 mrlanrat1: it probably is covered by warranty, but I'd recommend to get a cheap substitute yourself. Jul 04 15:32:16 mrlanrat1: otherwise you'd probably have to send in the whole package including the N810. Jul 04 15:32:21 Dunno if it is covered by the warranty but it shouldn't be expensive to get a new one. My N800's charger works in N80 and my brothers N73. Jul 04 15:32:25 Im not too sure, But this morning when I unpluged it from charging it had a lot of difficulty coming out, when I got it out the plug is bent. Jul 04 15:32:57 mrlanrat1: uh. Is the pin inside the N810 still in the center of the hole? Jul 04 15:33:00 Id need to send my N810 in just to get a new charger??? Jul 04 15:33:06 no, the plug on the charger Jul 04 15:33:12 the pin is fine Jul 04 15:33:16 ah ok. Jul 04 15:34:03 mrlanrat1: well, chat with your dealer, but I had a similiar problem with my N800 some time ago, the german nokia shop was unwilling. Jul 04 15:34:27 I bought mine off the official nokia store Jul 04 15:34:30 online Jul 04 15:34:35 Amazon usually stocks the Nokia chargers for about $2.50 a piece Jul 04 15:34:39 * nomis too Jul 04 15:34:40 shipping is a little heavy, though. Jul 04 15:34:52 Get 3 or 4 of them and spread 'em around the house. ;) Jul 04 15:35:20 yeah, getting a cheap 3rd party charger is probably way easier than trying to figure out how the warranty is supposed to work. Jul 04 15:35:36 yha, but I dont want to buy a new one, I just want to get mine replaced, and it should be free, I dont feel I should need to send my N810 in also. Jul 04 15:35:52 mrlanrat1: well, the only way then is to ask them. Jul 04 15:36:17 $6 Jul 04 15:36:18 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTG6EA Jul 04 15:36:45 That's not a bad price. Jul 04 15:36:49 * qwerty12 goes amazon.co.uk Jul 04 15:36:51 ok (looks for N810 box for warantee card) Jul 04 15:37:16 ~$5 Jul 04 15:37:39 I think infobot charges more :P Jul 04 15:37:47 Probably cost you more to ship the charger back to Nokia. Jul 04 15:38:02 they dont give you free shipping? Jul 04 15:38:03 to flash a new kernel do i need to restart n810 like when i upgraded to diablo? Jul 04 15:38:15 drako, you restart after flashing kernel Jul 04 15:38:23 (depends on which tool you use to flash) Jul 04 15:38:23 They'll ship it to you for free Jul 04 15:38:29 but you still have to ship it to them. Jul 04 15:38:50 no i mean i need to turn it on so that he gets the new kernel? Jul 04 15:38:59 the flasher tool Jul 04 15:39:01 AC4E: 4 EUR at german amazon... :) Jul 04 15:39:31 Nokia should change that, with most companys (like HP with my laptop) they pay for you to ship it to them and for them to ship it back Jul 04 15:40:05 drako: yes, you need to reboot and use the flasher tool Jul 04 15:40:06 "most companies" Jul 04 15:40:13 Where are you getting your statistics? Jul 04 15:40:15 drako: you can also just boot the kernel without flashing Jul 04 15:40:22 sorry, good point... Jul 04 15:40:45 how can i do that jott ? Jul 04 15:40:46 drako: flasher --load --boot --kernel kernelImage Jul 04 15:40:49 the warantee book does not have any information... Jul 04 15:40:57 Call them Jul 04 15:40:59 They can tell you. Jul 04 15:41:03 and if all is fine flasher -f -k kernelImage to actually flash Jul 04 15:41:03 thank you :) Jul 04 15:41:10 where can I find the number? Jul 04 15:41:17 Probably on their website. . . . Jul 04 15:41:24 yha, already looking Jul 04 15:42:58 ok i getting a stupid error Sending request 0x01 failed Jul 04 15:43:42 o, great.... They are closed today.. Ill need to wait till monday. Jul 04 15:44:01 Just a quick q, which is correct? -mcpu=arm1136j-sfp or -mcpu=arm1136j-s ? Jul 04 15:44:47 could someone help me with that? Jul 04 15:44:54 GeneralAntilles, thanks for the link I will probably end up getting that. Jul 04 15:53:27 can't get flasher to work could someone help me? Jul 04 15:53:45 GeneralAntilles: I'm pitching a lightning session at the summit of using tablet-encode and its GUI Jul 04 15:54:57 Sounds cool Jul 04 15:57:16 ok now how can i check i it started with the new kernel? Jul 04 15:57:38 Try something like uname -a or cat /proc/version Jul 04 15:58:32 :-P me stupid! Jul 04 15:58:42 Someone could tell me what's different among the autobuilder environment and a normal Diablo scratchbox environment? Jul 04 15:58:59 This way of autodetecting if I'm on Maemo doesn't work: Jul 04 15:59:08 PKG_CONFIG=/usr/bin/pkg-config Jul 04 15:59:26 if $PKG_CONFIG --exists libosso && readlink /etc|grep -q ^/targets; then MAEMO...... Jul 04 16:02:14 eocanha, why do you need to detect if you're on maemo? Jul 04 16:02:32 because my package can build on maemo and also on plain gnome Jul 04 16:02:54 (using Hildon libs or not depending on the build environment) Jul 04 16:02:54 Why don't you just use what's available? Jul 04 16:04:04 I need to detect what platform I'm in Jul 04 16:05:26 * qwerty12 shouldn't have used ke-recv-test y/day >.< Jul 04 16:16:09 eocanha: so, you don't want to know for what platform you are building for but you want to know if you are building for hildon or plain gtk? Jul 04 16:16:36 (hildon does exist on other platforms than Nokia's tablets..) Jul 04 16:16:38 yes, I explained myself bad Jul 04 16:16:48 so, check for hildon. If found, use it Jul 04 16:17:59 many libraries or applications use pkgconfig check in configure and makefiles to do that. I'm sure you'll find some good example Jul 04 16:18:32 so i want to compile some drivers for my nokia, what do i need to install to do it directly on the device? Jul 04 16:18:48 too much Jul 04 16:18:51 thanks Jul 04 16:19:19 time to go home Jul 04 16:19:35 thank you very much guys Jul 04 16:19:49 enjoy and c u all tomorrow Jul 04 16:19:54 cheers Jul 04 17:11:30 foo. Jul 04 17:19:11 ehm Jul 04 17:19:39 what's an idiomatic way to check if there are any /im/in/ur/path/*.extension files around in shell? Jul 04 17:20:00 * sp3000 is only coming up with buckets of lame Jul 04 17:26:55 if I do: sbc->output_flag = (short *)(buf+2); will the +2 be bytes or shorts? Jul 04 17:28:11 * sp3000 writes ls /im/in/ur/path/*.extension >/dev/null 2>&1 and looks a bit sad Jul 04 17:28:24 sorry sp3000, I don't know Jul 04 17:43:02 lol, dneary, having fun cleaning up that article all by your lonesome? :P Jul 04 17:43:15 Doing it right now :) Jul 04 17:43:27 At least the "putting tablet into USB mode" bit Jul 04 17:43:32 But I don't have all the info Jul 04 17:43:46 I'd help, but I don't use usbnet Jul 04 17:44:03 I can help from memory ~5 years ago on the Zaurus :) Jul 04 17:44:33 Seems like a lot of that stuff should really just be dumped Jul 04 17:47:24 I should have some time tomorrow to look at stuff though Jul 04 17:47:40 I will import the dspprogramming page, almost promise :) Jul 04 17:48:05 * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. Jul 04 17:48:11 itT is so not worth it anymore. Jul 04 17:48:43 lardman: won't that +2 be in the units of buf? Jul 04 17:49:27 lardman: i.e. the +2 is first, then the cast to short * Jul 04 17:50:09 I'm thinking of simply taking out the "configuring your host" sections Jul 04 17:50:15 They definitely need to be shorter Jul 04 17:50:45 They're really overwhelming Jul 04 17:50:47 It should be "insert kernel module X, ensure that there's an if script for usb0, plug in the tablet and cross your fingers" or whatever Jul 04 17:50:53 and there's way too much distro-specific nonsense Jul 04 17:51:18 I've stripped over half the page already in the first section, and a quick elimination of doubled-up information Jul 04 17:52:05 hello Jul 04 17:52:11 :) Jul 04 17:53:32 a friend of mine asked me if existed a maemo version to install into ipaq pdas Jul 04 17:53:46 is there? Jul 04 17:53:48 Talus_n810: nope (afaik) Jul 04 17:53:59 ok Jul 04 17:54:31 that would be awsome Jul 04 18:02:13 kulve: I hope so, just checking Jul 04 18:03:20 Talus_n810: There used to be an OpenEmbedded Maemo target, but I think it's not maintained any more Jul 04 18:04:17 i c lardman Jul 04 18:04:38 is there documentation for that? Jul 04 18:05:06 Talus_n810: certainly not here, perhaps in the openembedded mailing list, but most likely you'd need to talk to koen Jul 04 18:05:19 i have some rookies here that i could ask to try that Jul 04 18:05:36 I think it's well out of date now though Jul 04 18:05:44 i mean get into it Jul 04 18:06:24 i'm not expert in embed stuff or OS Jul 04 18:06:26 try koen on #Angstrom or #OE and see what he has to say about it Jul 04 18:06:51 cool ! Jul 04 18:07:03 but make sure you know what you want to ask, he gets impatient :) Jul 04 18:07:32 ok :) Jul 04 18:07:53 come back to me if you don't get any sense and I'll have a chat with him Jul 04 18:08:20 thanks Jul 04 18:13:16 http://theworldismycanvas.com/ Jul 04 18:14:36 * GeneralAntilles paints graffiti on n800n's garage door. Jul 04 18:15:06 as soon as i finish this book i'm reading on the n800 i'm gonna switch to diablo Jul 04 18:15:07 i think Jul 04 18:15:47 i f i get the balls. Jul 04 18:18:09 heh Jul 04 18:18:29 i sqitched a couple days ago Jul 04 18:18:33 n800n, if you add the right rpoe, you can just do "apt-get install balls" Jul 04 18:18:39 repo^ Jul 04 18:18:41 haha Jul 04 18:18:43 what book is that? Jul 04 18:18:56 brave new world Jul 04 18:18:56 it's actually not a painful upgrade Jul 04 18:19:13 you won't find that package on lcuk's repo :p Jul 04 18:19:23 haha Jul 04 18:19:39 the builtin email program is actually usable Jul 04 18:19:50 i use webmail Jul 04 18:19:54 no qwerty12_N800 there isnt enough space to fit them in Jul 04 18:20:21 i've read 6 books in fbreader so far Jul 04 18:20:23 if not more Jul 04 18:20:24 heh Jul 04 18:20:27 * _matthias_ loves the new integrated mail program Jul 04 18:20:30 i love having all those books with me Jul 04 18:27:29 Oh dear! They have fixed the Modest crash bug!!! Jul 04 18:28:23 they didnt fix the firefox 3 crash bug though, mines just vanished Jul 04 18:30:52 qwerty!!! What's up homie? :o) Jul 04 18:31:06 RST38h, well, happens. :-P Jul 04 18:31:27 lol. . . . Jul 04 18:33:01 Hey jott, any chance you're conscious right now? :) Jul 04 18:38:53 andre___: ping timeout :) Jul 04 18:39:52 Addison: more or less ;) Jul 04 18:40:11 X-Fade: i thought i saw nix earlier this week ... Jul 04 18:42:34 sp3000: on windows, iirc where.exe has specific support for searching PATH :) Jul 04 18:45:06 andre: Well, if it only were available as an update... Jul 04 18:45:16 RST38h, svn? Jul 04 18:45:40 GA: I am too lazy to compile system packages from SVN Jul 04 18:45:58 extras-devel is the most I can make myself use Jul 04 18:46:32 johnx compiled it yesterday Jul 04 18:46:39 I'm sure you can talk him into tossing you a binary Jul 04 18:47:40 GA: =) Jul 04 18:49:15 RST38h, i do hope that they are going to ship an Email and Browser update. Too many bugs, IMO Jul 04 18:49:27 Ha Jul 04 18:49:32 Too many indeed. . . . Jul 04 18:50:05 but this is the cast iron test of diablo is it not? Jul 04 18:50:39 heh now if this only would not break osso-software-version-* :p Jul 04 18:51:04 andre___: thanks for pushing the google presentations thing :) Jul 04 18:51:08 jott, install osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked Jul 04 18:51:23 btw, definitely use the logger when you run into browser reports :) Jul 04 18:51:24 GeneralAntilles: as enduser?! Jul 04 18:51:39 timelyx, we're good citizens, aren't we? ;-) Jul 04 18:51:41 andre___: we're going to try to have a number of updates (no guarantees) Jul 04 18:52:00 yeah, i heard rumours... Jul 04 18:52:04 andre___: nice and painless logging eh, ? :) Jul 04 18:52:07 Er, what's your point? If you're installing a compiled Modest svn, then you can probably manage an apt-get install, if it's being pushed via SSU, then osso-software-version gets updated. Jul 04 18:52:10 yupp Jul 04 18:52:12 * lcuk strokes https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ (still empty atm) Jul 04 18:52:49 GeneralAntilles: yep, only wonder if they really bump the o-s-v for every "minor" package update :) Jul 04 18:53:02 They'd have to. Jul 04 18:53:05 * jott does not care about osso-software-version-* at all Jul 04 18:53:05 jott: we plan to Jul 04 18:53:09 lcuk: going open source? Jul 04 18:53:10 that's the package that gets updated Jul 04 18:53:16 everything else is pulled in by dependencies Jul 04 18:53:17 keesj :) yes Jul 04 18:53:38 good Jul 04 18:53:41 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21556 Jul 04 18:54:04 * timelyx sighs Jul 04 18:54:37 lcdd: that'll be on mxr.maemo.org/garage w/ the next sync, after i get more quota space :) Jul 04 18:54:40 err Jul 04 18:54:49 s/lcdd/lcuk/ Jul 04 18:55:16 andre___: anyway, did the bugs.maemo.org change bite you badly? Jul 04 18:55:32 lcuk: still hesistating?! :) Jul 04 18:55:37 (the sun is setting on this conversation, quite literally) Jul 04 18:55:41 timelyx, not yet it wont, ive still got to compile and learn about svn for the tablet Jul 04 18:55:53 not at all jott, ive given the source to some folks now Jul 04 18:56:01 its all tagged up, just making arrangements Jul 04 18:56:32 sweet Jul 04 18:56:38 timelyx, well, i was surprised. but hey, i won't contradict anybody who minimizes my workload :-P Jul 04 18:56:46 timelyx, I was thinking about throwing the "maemo.org isn't actually part of Maemo Software"-wrench into the works. :D Jul 04 18:56:50 lcuk, thanks Jul 04 18:57:08 it's good to see that it's possible. and i like it, it's not that intrusive and probably the best way to keep the house clean Jul 04 18:57:09 qwerty12_N800, :P you shouldnt have it yet Jul 04 18:57:11 lcuk: oh, it'll probably take me a month before that happens Jul 04 18:57:26 GeneralAntilles: the website product should move to maemo.org Jul 04 18:57:33 thats ok, it might take me a month to get svn on my 810 Jul 04 18:57:34 and Misdirected can move to anywhere Jul 04 18:57:48 lcuk, i'm patiently waiting :) :p Jul 04 18:57:59 i just can't do anything like that until andre___ decides it's ok to frighten users Jul 04 18:58:09 atm there are a handful of people who can see it Jul 04 18:58:25 hi, I'm getting the kernel error "JFFS2 compression type 0x07 not available." when trying to modify the rootfs image on a ubuntu machine. what should I do to add LZMO compress to jffs2 on my desktop? Jul 04 18:58:39 timelyx, i assume that guenther and me will discuss a lot of stuff this week when meeting at guadec. after that we can go on Jul 04 18:58:41 i think website is the only product that moves to maemo.org Jul 04 18:58:47 andre___: ok Jul 04 18:58:51 would fit better other there, indeed. Jul 04 18:58:54 anyway, it's a framework Jul 04 18:58:57 :) fair enough qwerty12_N800, its nothing special really but if its able to be used at all to improve the tablet experience for just a few people then im happy Jul 04 18:58:58 s/other/over Jul 04 18:59:05 i left some notes w/ GeneralAntilles Jul 04 18:59:21 basically there needs to be a Nokia for ITVC and a maemo.org for Websites Jul 04 18:59:26 :) ive learnt so much this year and i wouldnt have done it without you lot Jul 04 18:59:35 as soon as either thing happens, *everyone* sees that extra screen Jul 04 18:59:44 Edgester: use a newer kernel or apply the appropiate patches to the current one... Jul 04 18:59:45 if you think people can deal w/ the extra screen, then good Jul 04 18:59:55 andre___, did I toss the proposal at you yet? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla Jul 04 18:59:57 otherwise you could do a template ala mozilla.org Jul 04 19:00:11 lcuk, i know I won't be able to do anything with it but it seems really interesting to look at :) Jul 04 19:00:19 jott: what kernel version should I use? is there a newer distro that includes this? Jul 04 19:00:29 GeneralAntilles: it's possible to disable the garage tracker Jul 04 19:00:32 at least per project Jul 04 19:00:38 i disabled it for browser when i became a garage admin :) Jul 04 19:00:40 qwerty12_N800, i just like having something that moves quick and responds well to my touch and stylus Jul 04 19:00:47 i am impatient Jul 04 19:00:51 * andre___ takes a look Jul 04 19:00:59 if we migrate slowly, you can disable it project at a time Jul 04 19:01:19 anyway, now ive got all that i can start to build applications using the principles ive found Jul 04 19:01:19 jott: where is the lzmo patch? Jul 04 19:01:34 GeneralAntilles, looks great, thanks! Jul 04 19:01:36 ive already started to migrate to c++ so i can code up the bits which were getting hairy in c Jul 04 19:01:47 GeneralAntilles: if you want bits so that you can let other people see the way things are now, andre___ or i can give you browser-extras grant Jul 04 19:02:01 that way others can get a sneak peek and give feedback Jul 04 19:02:10 jott, are you comfortable using svn on your desktop? Jul 04 19:02:18 or anyone Jul 04 19:02:32 lcuk: need svn help? Jul 04 19:02:32 but if you want it from me, i think you have ~10 mins left until sunday :) Jul 04 19:02:34 Edgester: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/4/168 i think this is the place where it occured Jul 04 19:03:07 GeneralAntilles: Jul 04 19:03:11 "This task is in the list of proposals, please help planning and getting it ready for a sprint. Add yourself if you are interested." Jul 04 19:03:13 add yourself /where/ ? Jul 04 19:03:14 megabyte405, i need svn itself on the tablet, i do all dev work directly on it (gcc etc on device) and files stored on mmc1 Jul 04 19:03:35 ah Jul 04 19:03:36 timelyx, yeah, that was Quim's wording. Jul 04 19:03:38 so to get a decent workflow im gonna have to get svn running, but i dont know where to start Jul 04 19:03:48 you could try installing from armel debian Jul 04 19:03:50 lcuk: you need an svn package for the device? Jul 04 19:03:51 Need to figure out a better structure for proposals, probably. Jul 04 19:03:56 yer jott Jul 04 19:04:07 It's from the global template, so it's not page-specific Jul 04 19:04:25 it's in chinook extras as "subversion" Jul 04 19:04:39 sure Jul 04 19:04:42 ive tried searching but google is no help... doh! Jul 04 19:04:44 but it's buggy in the global template Jul 04 19:04:56 jott: thanks Jul 04 19:04:58 lol jott :) thanks, ill see if i can get it Jul 04 19:05:03 it either means "add yourself to a list in this page" or "add yourself in a list on the talk page" Jul 04 19:05:10 at the very least it's dangerously ambiguous Jul 04 19:05:38 (note that my wording is merely for clarity not for direct inclusion) Jul 04 19:05:39 lcuk: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/s/subversion/subversion_1.4.6-maemo1_armel.deb :) Jul 04 19:06:18 thanks jott, i was looking for svn Jul 04 19:06:20 :S Jul 04 19:06:28 How about "Put a note on the talk page if you're interested in picking this up" ? Jul 04 19:06:34 Edgester: might just check git.kernel.org and pull the patch there.. or just use the current release version Jul 04 19:06:40 or maybe, "Put a note on the talk page if you're interested in pushing this task." Jul 04 19:06:41 s/picking this up/helping work on this/ Jul 04 19:06:50 timelyx, GeneralAntilles: need to pack my suitcase and prepare some other stuff. see you later, i'll read the backlog :-) Jul 04 19:06:52 or that Jul 04 19:07:35 Hey, quick question for you guys. Is there a way to remove the cursor in Xterm so that it doesn't appear? Jul 04 19:07:51 Later, andre___. Jul 04 19:08:23 * sp3000 slaps supld Jul 04 19:08:37 mind closing the connection some time soon? Jul 04 19:08:47 * lcuk goes and reads the svn manual and tries to grok it Jul 04 19:08:47 Where's the wet fish!?! Jul 04 19:08:53 Done Jul 04 19:09:06 Anyone have a suggestion for the next WPotD? Jul 04 19:09:07 qwerty! What's up G Money Dog Nuts!?!!! Jul 04 19:09:34 Did you get my private message? For some reason, this server keeps chucking me out. Jul 04 19:09:37 GeneralAntilles: load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions Jul 04 19:09:45 Addison44, no Jul 04 19:10:17 I see the new bit, timelyx. Jul 04 19:10:18 Hey qwerty, I asked how my favorite bold and smoldering volcanoe of virile manhood was doing. :) Jul 04 19:10:39 GeneralAntilles: try turning it on for sp3000 Jul 04 19:10:47 you can use him for feedback :) Jul 04 19:11:35 Hey qwert, any chance you might have an answer for that cursor Xterm thingie question I just posted? Jul 04 19:11:50 nope, sorry Jul 04 19:12:03 Okay. Didn't think so. Thanks anyway though. Jul 04 19:12:23 Is there a way to get your Putty version to work full screen? Jul 04 19:12:39 I can't seem to find an option for that. Jul 04 19:13:05 timelyx, should be done. Jul 04 19:13:12 Updated the template, too. Jul 04 19:13:18 b-e! Jul 04 19:14:38 Addison44, Maybe it has to be done in the code, but i don't have the debianised code anymore :/ (+ I probably wouldn't figure how to either :/) Jul 04 19:16:26 general | suggestions? Jul 04 19:16:30 we do have enh Jul 04 19:16:50 sp3000: hrm Jul 04 19:16:59 Yeah, I meant to ask that one. Jul 04 19:17:07 (sure, I kinda see the mapping to bugs | feature requests classes on garage) Jul 04 19:17:22 but I dunno if that's good legacy Jul 04 19:17:24 note: i don't know anything about garage Jul 04 19:17:36 I'd say, "no". Jul 04 19:17:38 but for browser-extras, it's likely that a lot of people would say "please port X" Jul 04 19:17:52 yeah, that would have been guess #2 Jul 04 19:17:52 i'd kinda like that to be easily seen as opposed to other thing Jul 04 19:18:19 it should probably be called "Requested Ports/Packages" Jul 04 19:18:22 but that's way too long Jul 04 19:18:24 * sp3000 clicks and finds out there actually is a #2 on freenode Jul 04 19:18:30 heh Jul 04 19:18:37 it's rather small though Jul 04 19:18:46 Anyone familiar with any ssh askpass software for os2008? Jul 04 19:19:09 anyway, suggest a better name Jul 04 19:19:13 i think GAN can fix it Jul 04 19:19:25 you're right that the name is risky and likely to give the wrong impression Jul 04 19:19:32 i found one, but it's apparently for 2007 Jul 04 19:19:41 one question is how many components should b-e get initially Jul 04 19:19:47 one for each package? one per package class? Jul 04 19:20:03 should everyone default to a component for "web site"? Jul 04 19:20:22 since everyone w/ garage projects should have a web site Jul 04 19:20:26 and most likely it sucks Jul 04 19:20:33 and it probably isn't their primary product Jul 04 19:20:48 perhaps all garage projects should have 2 default components, general, website Jul 04 19:21:10 That makes sense Jul 04 19:21:17 qwerty12_N800, you have shown pictures of linux windows running seamlessly within xp Jul 04 19:21:21 whats that called? Jul 04 19:21:25 andLinux Jul 04 19:21:26 * sp3000 would go with just General Jul 04 19:21:35 ^^ Jul 04 19:21:39 but I'm an organizational minimalist :P Jul 04 19:21:50 thanks GeneralAntilles and qwerty12_N800 :) Jul 04 19:22:13 if i cant speed up c++ compilation times i might as well see if theres another way to solve it Jul 04 19:22:24 andLinux is very cool. Very impressed with it today Jul 04 19:22:50 jaffa: how do you spell wEb-Site? Jul 04 19:22:55 the file manager just wiped all the videos on my cellphone via bluetooth D: Jul 04 19:23:12 jaffa, is your week from hell over now then or are you in tomorrow? Jul 04 19:23:19 timelyx: I usually use "website" or "web site". I've known style guides which insist "Web" should be capitalised. Jul 04 19:23:24 ShadowJK, Damn, got a lot of porn to get back? :p Jul 04 19:23:39 I was going to move one video to N810, but accidentally had entire folder selected in left hand column, so I tapped Stop. Apparently it stopped transfering the files, but continued with the delete part of the move operation... Jul 04 19:23:40 lcuk: going down to stay with the in-laws tomorrow for Mrs Jaffa's cousin's baby's birthday. Jul 04 19:23:44 lcuk: you decide ;-) Jul 04 19:23:48 Food ready. Beer o'clock. Jul 04 19:23:53 :D nice Jul 04 19:23:57 you need it Jul 04 19:24:39 jaffa, i ended up deciding on gpl 2 by the way, maximum sharing potential with other projects round here Jul 04 19:25:00 ill leave artistic for another day Jul 04 19:25:14 GeneralAntilles/ sp3000: reload describecomponents Jul 04 19:25:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=browser-extras Jul 04 19:26:05 anyway, my time has expired Jul 04 19:26:10 Looks good Jul 04 19:26:16 btw lcuk, if you need any help with andlinux, let me know Jul 04 19:26:17 Thanks, timelyx! Jul 04 19:26:21 btw for the rest of the channel: yes, i know you can't follow that link today. try again next month Jul 04 19:26:27 (or ask GeneralAntilles) Jul 04 19:27:05 thanks qwerty12_N800, im just reading the site now and getting requirements, it will also simplify matters if i can use a gui for svn and stuff Jul 04 19:29:54 lcuk, i only ever use svn co, so i don't know about linux guis sorry. Jul 04 19:30:45 its not really a gui i need, but im visual so ill just right click on a folder somewhere and push or pull latest Jul 04 19:31:11 * lcuk hates remembering archaic incantations in the commandline Jul 04 19:31:25 Such a Windows user. . . . Jul 04 19:31:44 visual developer :) and i dont think im doin so badly so far Jul 04 19:32:12 i dont care what os it is, aint mac the same with point n click Jul 04 19:32:42 you have terminal too in os x Jul 04 19:33:20 i have one in windows as well: doesnt mean i use it Jul 04 19:33:35 Macs only have One Button! Jul 04 19:33:42 some have none Jul 04 19:33:43 lol Jul 04 19:33:52 Ugh, I don't even want to look at that page. Jul 04 19:34:18 OS X is mostly *nix Jul 04 19:34:19 can't we "fix" it by starting again Jul 04 19:34:29 Did the usb networking one get fixed? Jul 04 19:34:43 "to boot from mmc, invite a knowledgable friend round and whilst you make beers they will do it for you" Jul 04 19:34:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Jul 04 19:34:46 Mostly Jul 04 19:34:53 I'm not in love with it, though. Jul 04 19:35:00 i tried once Jul 04 19:35:06 miserable failure Jul 04 19:35:18 Somebody who knows penguinbait's stuff should probably write something up for that. Jul 04 19:35:41 and probably milhouse's script for slightly-more-involved but slightly-less-evil Jul 04 19:36:14 * qwerty12_N800 has only ever used milhouses script Jul 04 19:36:57 qwerty12_N800, you want to pull his instructions from itT, par them down a touch (Sardine can definitely go), update for Diablo and stick them on the wiki? Jul 04 19:37:14 The first and most striking issue with the "MMC" booting page is "MMC". <_< Jul 04 19:37:57 I could modify the script and have a go with the wiki but the script isn't exactlyfault tolerant. Jul 04 19:38:10 Yeah, that's true. Jul 04 19:38:21 Can I mount the rootfs image on the my n800? Jul 04 19:38:23 I'd do it myself, but I'm not entirely clear on the kernel modules step. Jul 04 19:38:41 I seem to remember insmodding stuff from the initfs, but I don't really recall. Jul 04 19:38:55 Edgester, turn it on? Jul 04 19:39:05 It definitely doesn't have enough RAM to mount the image itself. Jul 04 19:39:48 Can I use block2mtd and mount the rootfs image that flasher uses on my n800 without flashing? Jul 04 19:41:43 GeneralAntilles, the two insmod lines already present on that page for an N800 with os2007 would work with diablo, just replace 2.6.18-omap1 with 2.6.21-omap1 Jul 04 19:42:04 or with $(uname -r) ;) Jul 04 19:42:22 i was coming onto that ;) Jul 04 19:42:46 I'm working over the bootmenu part Jul 04 19:42:59 actually you don't need the bootmenu at all ;) Jul 04 19:43:12 True, but it's a recommended step. Jul 04 19:43:20 getting usbnet ssh recovery is good. Jul 04 19:43:42 yeah otoh you can just use the flasher again to switch to mtd/flash boot Jul 04 19:43:47 eh, maybe I'll just flash to diablo Jul 04 19:43:51 jott, cal-tool/flasher-3.0 is long to use ;) Jul 04 19:44:05 when you could use bootmenu instead :) Jul 04 19:44:18 jott, think of the newbies. Jul 04 19:44:41 actually it's just "flasher --set-root-device mmc" and ready .. Jul 04 19:44:57 and bootmenu is just "pick the one you want from a list" Jul 04 19:45:12 iff you got the bootmenu.conf right... Jul 04 19:45:12 and doesn't require a lot of fiddling in xterm Jul 04 19:45:39 jott, why do you want them to use flasher, anyway. :P Jul 04 19:46:27 hum? i used the bootmenu with chinook, but now i just use the normal initfs with mmc as root ;) Jul 04 19:46:42 i never booted from flash anyway after mmc was running ;) Jul 04 19:46:47 Meh, works for you, but, personally, I'd rather have as many people as possible using the bootmenu Jul 04 19:46:53 ^ Jul 04 19:46:56 makes my troubleshooting work that much easier Jul 04 19:47:14 hm anyhow.. both ways are fine for me. Jul 04 19:47:53 Which is good, but giving people unnecessary choices in guides like these generally just results in confusion. :P Jul 04 19:47:57 just using flasher is imho easier.. Jul 04 19:48:04 heh Jul 04 19:48:16 well do what ever you think is best for an enduser ;) Jul 04 19:48:38 I am. :P Jul 04 19:49:06 maybe using rsync -a instead of tar is better.. Jul 04 19:49:14 cp -a Jul 04 19:49:15 :> Jul 04 19:49:16 as rsync is apt-getable Jul 04 19:49:18 it wins Jul 04 19:49:20 or cp Jul 04 19:49:36 rsync --progress is just more verbose ;) Jul 04 19:50:24 Not a bad idea, somebody want to improve this script to handle that? http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/nupgrade.sh Jul 04 19:50:25 rsync tests the destination dir and removes files too Jul 04 19:50:50 so it's slower, it has to stat everything :> Jul 04 19:51:12 but perception is faster as you got a progress ;) Jul 04 19:52:54 time isn't ;P Jul 04 19:53:05 hurrah! Mastergear does x3 magnification in gamegear mode! Jul 04 19:53:31 it's meant for n00bs, think they are going to realise? :p Jul 04 19:54:23 * RST38h is going to try magnifying vgba x3 Jul 04 19:59:52 Shit, Maemo version of libz is still somewhat broken Jul 04 20:01:06 compile your own and replace the control with the maemo one. dirty, but ensures things don't fuck up for users :/ Jul 04 20:01:32 * qwerty12_N800 did that with kernel-diablo-flasher to distrobute rotation kernel :/ Jul 04 20:01:44 It is not THAT broken though Jul 04 20:01:58 Just incompatible with some gz files packed with previous versions Jul 04 20:03:13 Yeaaah, a few people will be very happy with the new VGBA =) Jul 04 20:07:14 What are the dimensions of a standard Maemo window? Jul 04 20:07:21 (internal dimensions I mean) Jul 04 20:08:46 RST38h x3 now works in vgba? Jul 04 20:08:51 Erm, 720x362 or something. There's a clear diagram on one of the "Introduction to Maemo" documents Jul 04 20:09:46 aha Jul 04 20:09:52 720x400 I guess Jul 04 20:11:06 RST38h, internal, as in within maemo bits or with extra window framing Jul 04 20:11:07 Atarii: yep Jul 04 20:11:22 mega win Jul 04 20:11:26 rectangle inside the frame Jul 04 20:11:36 I am keeping the frame, it is tidier this way Jul 04 20:12:02 does it play .gb? or .gba only? Jul 04 20:12:33 RST38h, isnt that theme specific? Jul 04 20:14:02 ok, back later, giving control of pc away Jul 04 20:14:30 lcuk: don't think so Jul 04 20:14:39 Atarii: it plays gba Jul 04 20:14:46 VGB plays .gb and it is also coming Jul 04 20:15:07 do you find the games work ok after you cut the sides off them? Jul 04 20:16:57 i ask because i wonder how you fit them into the mmc slot Jul 04 20:18:13 ho ho ho Jul 04 20:18:34 ooo that reminds me, i need to trim my 2in1 mmc/micro sd adapter Jul 04 20:18:37 lcuk: melt and pour Jul 04 20:20:29 http://www.dimitrithelover.com/ Jul 04 20:20:43 this guy is pretty amazing Jul 04 20:21:11 link looks like gay pr0n :S Jul 04 20:21:27 lots of crappy scripts on the site but there's a funny interview with him - the guy is hilarious Jul 04 20:23:35 * Jaffa has a mini rant on ITT about people saying "I won't have anything to contribute" Jul 04 20:23:41 [at the Maemo summit] Jul 04 20:24:25 Jaffa: Contribute to what? Jul 04 20:24:46 RST38h: to the Maemo Summit in September. Jul 04 20:25:34 * qwerty12_N800 imagines Karel Jansens at the summit... Or rather not ;) Jul 04 20:25:45 Oh Jul 04 20:25:52 He had a mild reformation, seemingly. Jul 04 20:26:01 What is the problem with having nothing to contribute though? Jul 04 20:26:21 GA: What? Pandora missed another release deadline, so he ran out of breath? Jul 04 20:26:30 RST38h: exactly. You can't have everyone attending present something, you need *attendees* as well as presenters. Jul 04 20:26:57 Jaffa, I think this is what threw people: "An only condition for you would be to contribute to the program somehow: present something in a lightning session, facilitate a BoF or a workshop..." Jul 04 20:27:06 Jaffa: It is tickets + hotel + time off day job Jul 04 20:27:13 Hello all, what happend to hidd with Diablo? Doesn't seem to be there.. ): Jul 04 20:27:16 Jaffa: In other words, no way =( Jul 04 20:28:00 RST38h: indeed; although Nokia've got some budget to fund people travelling. Personally, I want hotel better than hostel and can afford the expense (by finding cheap travel and cheap(ish) hotel) to fund it myself; leaving more of the budget available for others. Jul 04 20:29:16 Jaffa: I would put more emphasis on making event distributed over internet Jul 04 20:29:40 RST38h: I suspect that will be orders of magnitude less successful. Jul 04 20:29:43 So that people participating remotely get the maximum presence experience Jul 04 20:29:53 Not to say it shouldn't be done. It's just time consuming and sub-optimal (IMHO) Jul 04 20:30:00 Well, then at least select the location with most users Jul 04 20:30:36 On the other hand, it is probably US and it means that folks from Poland, etc. won't be able to attend =( Jul 04 20:31:00 s/most users/most contributors/ Jul 04 20:31:30 Anyway, they're pinning it on the back of OSiM World (in Berlin); Nokia are from Finland; LinuxTag doesn't seem to suffer from being in Berlin; ... Jul 04 20:32:08 berlin is worth visiting Jul 04 20:32:43 expensive though Jul 04 20:33:15 will cost at least $1000, with tickets and all Jul 04 20:34:28 It is easy for Steve Jobs to gather the faithful as they only need to drive a few hours in most cases, but Nokia is different in this sense =( Jul 04 20:35:01 RST38h: apply for sponsorship if you're that bothered; otherwise it sounds like you're griping cos it's not near you. Jul 04 20:35:18 Actually, it is relatively near me :) Jul 04 20:35:20 Personally, I've absolutely *no* idea where most users/contributors are. Jul 04 20:35:26 RST38h: ah, ok :) Jul 04 20:35:34 Expensive travel systems near you then? Jul 04 20:35:35 Jaffa: it would be interesting to find out though =) Jul 04 20:35:58 Jaffa: prolly e300 for a ticket from Moscow and back + hotel Jul 04 20:36:32 Jaffa: not worth the money for me Jul 04 20:36:53 Think of what it'd do to your reputation with Nokia though if there's an N900 discount programme ;-) Jul 04 20:37:13 Jaffa: Mmmm Jul 04 20:37:27 For this amount of money I would probably be able to just buy N900 unsubsidized :) Jul 04 20:37:42 I going for the free t-shirts ;) Jul 04 20:37:43 RST38h: hence the sponsorship Jul 04 20:38:04 JamieBennett: well, that too - hoping to pack light by getting freebies as spares :) Jul 04 20:38:53 * RST38h made resizing a little bit TOO intelligent Jul 04 20:39:14 it now resizes to 600x320 when in windowed mode Jul 04 20:39:30 Jaffa: I have one from some work I did before but its bright blue, hoping to bag a less garish one if they are available. Jul 04 20:40:14 Jaffa: Are you attending OSim aswell? Jul 04 20:41:10 JamieBennett: hoping to; just need to confirm time off work. Jul 04 20:41:46 JamieBennett: For some very odd reasons it looks like travel will be on a 5 hour train from Apeldoorn in .nl to Berlin on the Tuesday/Saturday - but for only 36 eur each way. Jul 04 20:41:47 I'm the same, hoping to go but I'll find out Monday if I can get the go ahead from work Jul 04 20:42:03 RST38h: has a valid issue with spending $1k on a conference. it's quite a good suggestion to think about at least a webcam stream + chatroom Jul 04 20:42:32 Jaffa: Where are you travelling from? Jul 04 20:43:56 JamieBennett: UK. But Mrs Jaffa & in-laws are going to Arnhem on the Monday and coming back the following Monday. So will tag along with them on the Monday and get the train on Tuesday. Was always planning to go back to them after the summit, but flights from Berlin to Amsterdam/Eindhoven/... are nightmarishly expensive. Jul 04 20:44:22 pupnik: you could also pay 4200 euro for the complete osim event ;) Jul 04 20:45:04 I'm going from Bristol on the Tuesday. Flights are <£60 return! I was pretty surprised at that. Jul 04 20:45:30 o_O Jul 04 20:56:36 jaffa, for linuxtag i flew manchester->amsterdam->berlin and berlin->paris->manchester i had a great whistlestop airport tour Jul 04 21:00:07 4200 EUR + VAT??? Jul 04 21:01:15 what's "The Independent Developer Access All Areas Pass"? Jul 04 21:01:41 does it go on top of the 4200 EUR price, or is this a 400-EUR alternative to it? Jul 04 21:01:57 I have a Nokia 770 flashed with the latest version of OS 2006. Jul 04 21:02:10 I'm trying to install osso xterm and I simply get a "intall failed" error Jul 04 21:02:27 pauliukas: check the app installer's log Jul 04 21:02:30 it's in the tools menu Jul 04 21:02:54 Is there a log in OS2006? Jul 04 21:02:59 dpkg-preconfigure: not found Jul 04 21:03:05 Guess so Jul 04 21:03:08 wasn't it always there? I'm sure it was always there Jul 04 21:03:16 pauliukas: irrelevant warning, what's the next message? Jul 04 21:03:27 No such file for the .install file. Jul 04 21:03:31 Lemme try saving it first Jul 04 21:03:49 interesting Jul 04 21:05:00 uhhh Jul 04 21:05:11 great. I get a completed download on opera, but it's not saved. Jul 04 21:05:17 Tried saving both to local folders and the card. Jul 04 21:05:47 ran out of disk space? Jul 04 21:05:55 nope Jul 04 21:05:58 brand new install Jul 04 21:06:03 restarting opera Jul 04 21:06:12 I literally just reflashed it Jul 04 21:06:17 because I was having the same error befor Jul 04 21:06:57 still not there Jul 04 21:07:12 can it save any other kinds of files? Jul 04 21:07:17 what's the URL of this .install? Jul 04 21:07:28 on maemo.org Jul 04 21:07:31 download section Jul 04 21:07:36 os2006 > system Jul 04 21:07:39 osso x-term advanced Jul 04 21:08:00 * mgedmin sighs thinking about the laziness of some people Jul 04 21:08:01 now I'm getting a squid error Jul 04 21:08:01 great Jul 04 21:09:44 the install file itself looks okay from here Jul 04 21:11:38 trying another package Jul 04 21:11:43 looks like it's working so far Jul 04 21:33:33 hi, i am trying to install some packages from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free but can't, i got incompatible application package, i downloaded armel packages, what's wrong? Jul 04 21:34:29 what OS version are you using on your device? Jul 04 21:34:37 2007 Jul 04 21:34:48 should be ok... Jul 04 21:34:49 ok, I've rerun initfs_flasher after installing diablo, but now I can't boot from mmc which worked under chinook. Any advice? Jul 04 21:54:18 All right, the Pokemon bug... Jul 04 21:54:29 Woo, pokemon Jul 04 21:54:33 GB/GBC? Jul 04 21:54:39 GBA Jul 04 21:54:45 Icic Jul 04 21:54:47 I have not got to porting GB/GBC emulator yet Jul 04 21:55:16 mmk Jul 04 21:57:29 RST38h: i forgot if you ever answered my question about a high resolution timer on the nokias Jul 04 21:57:57 pupnik: I said that if it exists, usleep() and nanosleep() should make use of it Jul 04 21:58:12 any clue why bluetooth dun would work just fine for me in chinook and not at all in diablo? Jul 04 21:58:20 ah ok i look at them Jul 04 21:58:38 on the gp2x there's a register you can look at, iirc Jul 04 21:58:49 I am sure OMAP has a similar register Jul 04 21:59:02 The only problem is, nobody is gonna tell us which one =( Jul 04 22:00:08 lcuk: sounds like "fun" :) Jul 04 22:00:18 acydlord: sorry no ideas Jul 04 22:00:39 <[A2K]> hi. i'm n00b. please give me the link. Jul 04 22:00:46 time to submit a bug report i guess Jul 04 22:01:19 pupnik: Found docs. found timers. Jul 04 22:01:25 acydlord: i have used BT in diablo just fine Jul 04 22:01:43 <[A2K]> anyone? do you have a link for noobs? Jul 04 22:01:46 ! :) Jul 04 22:02:17 jaffa, it wasnt too bad - amsterdam i was stood around, paris i had to run between terminals, but at least i got outside and managed a cig Jul 04 22:02:30 <[A2K]> well, ok, then i have some questions. Jul 04 22:02:40 worked under chinook. Any advice? Jul 04 22:02:42 sorry Jul 04 22:02:54 \o pup Jul 04 22:03:01 hey there sur Jul 04 22:03:08 <[A2K]> how can i install something from here http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ ? Jul 04 22:03:18 OMAP5912 Jul 04 22:03:20 <[A2K]> i press click to install and just see text in browser Jul 04 22:03:24 [A2K], what nokia device have you got Jul 04 22:03:32 <[A2K]> lcuk: n810 with diablo Jul 04 22:03:33 must be omap3, not omap2, but I hope timers are the same Jul 04 22:03:42 are you going to the website with your nokia Jul 04 22:03:47 or from your home computer Jul 04 22:03:57 lcuk: Schipole's a horrible airport, IMHO. Apparently the train from .nl to .de is really interesting - although 5 hours each way will mean lots of time for hacking on my laptop :) 'spose it's not much longer than a flight when you take into account check-ins etc. Jul 04 22:04:02 <[A2K]> lcuk: from nokia Jul 04 22:04:53 i think there is a problem with application installer in os2007 hacker edition, i have tried to install some apps from repo, and it failed because of incompatible package, but when i used dpkg -i everything is ok Jul 04 22:04:56 pupnik: 4 private timers. 1 OS timer at 32768Hz. 8 general purpose timers. Jul 04 22:04:57 jaffa :) sounds like the most relaxing part :) i was doodling the whole way back Jul 04 22:04:59 if you go on the ICE Jaffa be sure to reserve a seat at one of the facing-seats with a table and power outlet, and bring an outlet multiplier Jul 04 22:05:18 [A2K], not sure, the website might be broken Jul 04 22:05:26 getting power on the ICE requires some planning Jul 04 22:05:28 <[A2K]> :( Jul 04 22:05:28 pupnik: you can run any of gp timers off the system clock so it is hires Jul 04 22:05:30 RST38h: interestingk Jul 04 22:05:49 pupnik: Check http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/omap5912 Jul 04 22:05:59 <[A2K]> is there some manual how to create packages for maemo? Jul 04 22:06:00 And http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap5912.html#technicaldocuments in general Jul 04 22:06:36 [A2K], on the maemo site there are a full set of developer documentation Jul 04 22:06:49 <[A2K]> ok... Jul 04 22:07:05 part of which is packaging... Jul 04 22:07:13 * lcuk should read it too Jul 04 22:07:32 mind you, im trying to read up on svn atm Jul 04 22:07:42 pupnik: right, ta for that. Jul 04 22:07:42 <[A2K]> why did not enyone still compiled openoffice for maemo? Jul 04 22:07:49 When I insert a 4G SDHC card into my N800, I can't start up the machine. But I can use the SDHC card after the machine starting up successfully. :( Jul 04 22:08:05 I mean as a external SD card Jul 04 22:08:20 When I use the card as internal SD card, there's no such problem Jul 04 22:08:36 pupnik: Looks like the chip has two on-chip memory areas (OCP T1 T2) Jul 04 22:08:48 One of them is the framebuffer another one is unlabeled Jul 04 22:09:16 I am pretty sure these are low-latency memories, so placing code into them should speed things up Jul 04 22:09:17 you didn't see a tech pdf like that for 2420 then... Jul 04 22:09:23 nope Jul 04 22:09:27 <[A2K]> is maemo just good for noobs and i have to install gentoo for professional usage? Jul 04 22:10:03 [A2K]: there is no Gentoo port to the N8x0. There are alternative OSes, such as Debian, Android, Poky, Mamona, but Maemo will be your best bet in almost all probablity. Jul 04 22:10:46 <[A2K]> Jaffa: there is how-to about gentoo for arm :) Jul 04 22:11:33 Debian really has the best armel branch Jul 04 22:12:06 <[A2K]> but it is not so sexy as gentoo Jul 04 22:12:31 pupnik: Ironically, 5912 is their oldest high-perf chip Jul 04 22:13:03 it is pre-omap1 Jul 04 22:13:20 i thought TI was going to give developers more info now with their new open-source drive Jul 04 22:13:27 isn't 5912 and omap1510 based board? thus omap1.. Jul 04 22:13:29 maybe Jul 04 22:13:38 <[A2K]> hmm.. wifi just drops and can not reconnect for third time this hour.. is there some bug? Jul 04 22:13:39 it is even older than omap Jul 04 22:13:40 1 Jul 04 22:13:53 [A2K]: You might be able to get Gentoo running in a chroot then, bootstrapped by Maemo - but I'm not aware of anyone trying it. Compiling your OS on a 400MHz ARM with 128MB of RAM does not sound like a Fun Thing[TM] Jul 04 22:13:56 but my guess is, one can use 5912 documentation for 2420, up to some degree Jul 04 22:14:18 yeah, so one could go peeking at various registers and see what they do? Jul 04 22:14:23 <[A2K]> Jaffa: i have allready done this, but not on nokia ) Jul 04 22:14:33 pupnik: yep Jul 04 22:14:53 looking at 3530 data now Jul 04 22:16:22 it'd also help if i were a developer. but this is definitely a help to me - ty RST38h Jul 04 22:16:25 For 3530 only abstracts of the documents available Jul 04 22:16:40 ralann|mbp, bt for files works just fine, but when i go to make a bt dun connection the n810 drops the bt at the last second Jul 04 22:17:37 ....and here we have PowerVR description! Jul 04 22:18:02 shit, "For more information about register descriptions, contact your TI representative." Jul 04 22:18:07 oh yeah, forgot about that, i just use it for files Jul 04 22:19:19 <[A2K]> how that .install files work? what program handles them? Jul 04 22:19:24 do i have to explicitely tell svn to checkin every single new file within a folder? Jul 04 22:19:43 ie if i build a few classes i have to teach it each one? Jul 04 22:19:53 lcuk: use Tortoise Jul 04 22:19:58 <[A2K]> got it.. Jul 04 22:19:59 on my 810? Jul 04 22:20:05 lcuk: umgh Jul 04 22:20:23 remember RST38h, i do all development work directly on the device Jul 04 22:20:36 well, i use windows editor, but compilation etc Jul 04 22:22:33 ohfuckyessssss Jul 04 22:22:43 :P Jul 04 22:22:46 from personal experience it's usually mostly noobs who use gentoo, they just like to play the part of the elitest Jul 04 22:22:54 look what I have found: Jul 04 22:23:04 http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spruf98a Jul 04 22:24:14 Jul 04 22:24:41 hah 37 MB Jul 04 22:25:10 RST38h: now if we only had this for the omap24xx :p Jul 04 22:25:37 jott: Again, I am pretty sure that between this one and 59xx, a lot of things will be similar in 24x0 Jul 04 22:25:43 ahh TI *is* opening up Jul 04 22:25:57 Meanwhile in liberated Afghanistan: "Two Harriers launched a strike on a huge cache of 260 tons of [hashish], stuffed in sacks of grain and buried in trenches and underground bunkers in Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan. Jul 04 22:25:59 yeah some clues might be in there.. Jul 04 22:26:14 not clues but direct register descriptions Jul 04 22:26:19 lcuk: You can wildcard `svn add' and it even has a -R option IIRC Jul 04 22:26:28 mh Jul 04 22:26:36 O_o Jul 04 22:27:05 jaffa ahhh, so can just make sure all .c and .h files easily Jul 04 22:27:25 * lcuk is planning imdoneforthenight.sh Jul 04 22:28:21 is it easy to see and handle conflicts? Jul 04 22:28:59 hi Jul 04 22:34:18 Jaffa, you will, of course, be demoing mediaserv alongside tablet-encode, right? :P Jul 04 22:39:33 <[A2K]> бля, русские есть? Jul 04 22:40:02 <[A2K]> can i use two keyboard languages by switching them with some key combination? Jul 04 22:40:06 <[A2K]> i need english and russian Jul 04 22:40:21 <[A2K]> can't find how to switch them Jul 04 22:41:22 that sounds like a nice feature request [A2K] Jul 04 22:42:06 <[A2K]> O_o you want to say that simple xkb map is not default in maemo!? Jul 04 22:42:18 <[A2K]> setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" Jul 04 22:42:23 <[A2K]> hmm Jul 04 22:42:26 <[A2K]> i'll try it now ) Jul 04 22:44:27 <[A2K]> oops.. Jul 04 22:44:31 <[A2K]> now Fn does not work Jul 04 22:44:33 <[A2K]> lol Jul 04 22:45:07 no afaict it goes through gnome/hildon Jul 04 22:45:14 it's not just sending X keyboard events Jul 04 22:45:19 afk Jul 04 22:45:30 GeneralAntilles: hopefully, yes :) Jul 04 22:45:52 <[A2K]> ehh.. is there irssi for maemo? Jul 04 22:47:12 <[A2K]> or just some good irc client? Jul 04 22:47:26 XChat is in Extras Jul 04 22:47:30 irssi is around somewhere Jul 04 22:47:31 google. Jul 04 22:50:41 <[A2K]> what is R&D mode? i had to enable it while flashing.. Jul 04 22:50:50 Er, why? Jul 04 22:51:06 <[A2K]> it did not want to give me root Jul 04 22:51:25 ~easyroot Jul 04 22:51:26 [easyroot] an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com Jul 04 22:52:09 <[A2K]> :) too late Jul 04 22:52:26 You asked. Jul 04 22:53:16 <[A2K]> ok, thx Jul 04 22:56:14 <[A2K]> is there some way to disable word completition and capitilizing? Jul 04 22:56:39 <[A2K]> found it Jul 04 22:57:14 <[A2K]> great. it works. Jul 04 22:57:21 <[A2K]> i love nokia. Jul 04 22:59:12 lol, that pissed me off the first 5minutes Jul 04 23:01:17 <[A2K]> i hate that feature on my old siemens phone -- it cant be diasbled there Jul 04 23:05:29 <[A2K]> what is the best IM client? i need jabber and maybe icq Jul 04 23:05:39 pidgin will work. Jul 04 23:06:10 it a updated version with fixed icq available? Jul 04 23:06:15 are you on 2008? Jul 04 23:06:49 if so you the rtcomm beta, then you get them in teh default chat program Jul 04 23:06:58 s/you/use Jul 04 23:10:24 * [A2K] is going to sell old windows-based ppc tomorrow :) Jul 04 23:12:11 * Jaffa beds Jul 04 23:13:14 I was hoping to talk to pupnik Jul 04 23:13:34 oh well... Jul 04 23:17:13 <[A2K]> omg i found php5 package O_o Jul 04 23:26:06 <[A2K]> i LOVE nokia! Jul 04 23:31:46 hi kkrusty Jul 04 23:31:49 heading out the door Jul 04 23:31:55 what up Jul 04 23:32:57 pupnik: lcuk told me to ask you about projects on your website Jul 04 23:33:07 tons of things to do! Jul 04 23:33:31 pupnik: I started to play with those touchme games. But then I figured "surely there must be something better to do" Jul 04 23:33:41 play = play with code Jul 04 23:34:23 every thing needs work. pick someting you like and i give you a list of todos Jul 04 23:34:29 cool Jul 04 23:34:31 ,Ew Jul 04 23:34:35 Work Jul 04 23:35:41 pupnik: pupnik.de? Jul 04 23:36:02 kkrusty: just email pupnik@pupnik.de (and please don't give out that address) Jul 04 23:36:06 ADHGEOAUBARSDAjlh Jul 04 23:36:10 that was supposed to be a PM Jul 04 23:36:20 :D Jul 04 23:36:22 * pupnik bangs head on keyboard Jul 04 23:36:36 oh well Jul 04 23:36:47 hopefully you have a good spam blocker :P Jul 04 23:36:52 google spam bot here we go! Jul 04 23:37:50 ok i'm out Jul 04 23:38:04 pupnik: ok. Thanks. I'll look into it this weekend Jul 04 23:41:39 poor pupnik Jul 04 23:42:21 Expect web crawlers to pick up your email and start spamming you Jul 04 23:42:31 I usually have one main address and a bunch of others that are forwards. I give away those to the masses Jul 05 02:44:18 anyone use plazer? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 05 02:59:57 2008