**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 08 02:59:57 2008 Jul 08 03:13:57 prez00: there are Jul 08 03:14:15 prez00: or... where exactly are you? Jul 08 03:16:34 rm_you, managua,nicaragua Jul 08 03:17:20 there should be some that are on the same UTC +/- Jul 08 03:17:24 even if they arent local Jul 08 03:17:50 guess nokia didn't figure there'd be tablets in central america ;-) Jul 08 03:18:03 utc -6 Jul 08 03:20:50 thats central USA too i think Jul 08 03:20:54 without DST Jul 08 03:21:18 exactly. Jul 08 03:22:13 Arizona? Jul 08 03:22:17 arizona doesnt have DST Jul 08 03:22:35 ah might not be central quite... Jul 08 03:22:36 not sure Jul 08 03:22:41 i am impressed with diablo, much more usable, snappier everywhere... Jul 08 03:23:03 chicago is utc -6 but dst Jul 08 03:45:36 is there any reasonable way to run Scratchbox in Windows? Jul 08 03:45:51 or any way at all? Jul 08 03:46:02 (easy or reasonable way preferred) Jul 08 04:16:32 pekuja, VMware + indt virtual machine image? Jul 08 04:18:20 yeah, that could basically work Jul 08 04:24:02 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 08 04:36:46 When launching Display on Xehpyer it give this Error message, [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: Error, the DISPLAY environment variable is not defined. DISPLAY must be host:display when using sbrsh in Scratchbox and X forwarding will be used. If you use Xephyr, set DISPLAY to :N,where 'N' is the display number passed to Xephyr in command line. Jul 08 04:39:28 export DISPLAY=:2 Jul 08 04:40:00 wait, what do you mean launching display on xephyr? Jul 08 04:41:42 you need to start xephyr, then export DISPLAY, then run af-sb-init.sh Jul 08 04:51:10 befr0d: Yes after starting Xephyr when I export display and run af-ab-init.sh I got that error message Jul 08 05:16:33 atul, the error is pretty clear, you have not set the DISPLAY env variable correctly Jul 08 05:17:25 I know there is a warning regarding the DISPLAY variable, but it works Jul 08 05:19:59 befr0d: ya ur right now its working after exporting display Jul 08 05:21:01 diablo and python 2.5 Jul 08 05:21:15 I don't see it in application manager Jul 08 05:21:22 Red or Blue pill? Jul 08 05:26:46 befr0d: thanks Jul 08 05:31:49 will kismet or something similar run on n8x0? Jul 08 05:37:17 skibur: dunno, if you install something like... ukmp or canola, it should pull in python for you Jul 08 05:37:31 ano ok Jul 08 05:37:37 yeah Jul 08 05:37:38 i think those both require python Jul 08 05:37:38 got it Jul 08 05:37:47 k Jul 08 05:37:55 I want to install Debian on my sd card Jul 08 05:38:15 I'm booting from the SD card, but it only asked for MMC1 or 2 Jul 08 05:38:19 but now root Jul 08 05:38:21 :( Jul 08 05:38:34 hrm Jul 08 05:38:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 Jul 08 05:39:07 sorry, i would try to help but just heading out <_< was just checking stuff before i left Jul 08 05:39:24 thats ok Jul 08 05:39:35 need to hit the sack in bit Jul 08 05:39:37 later Jul 08 06:14:40 hi Jul 08 06:26:07 hi Jul 08 06:29:59 Heh, you can even find johnx's debian on edonkey :P Jul 08 06:30:08 O_o Jul 08 06:30:20 * johnx wonders why Jul 08 06:30:59 All I'm looking for the the l3 l4 of the n800 :( Jul 08 06:31:53 n800 ftw Jul 08 06:37:02 hi, evince tells me there's no Ghostscript-Interpreter in PATH; what did I do wrong? Jul 08 06:49:13 :) Jul 08 06:49:26 Debian on SD Card Jul 08 06:49:45 cool. :D working well for you? Jul 08 06:50:19 trying to Jul 08 06:50:33 I have Diablo + KDE Jul 08 06:50:43 on a 4GB SD Jul 08 06:51:03 repartition Jul 08 06:51:19 repartitioning my SD card Jul 08 06:51:23 It would probably be easier just buying an cheap 2gb. Jul 08 06:51:38 howbig is kde Jul 08 06:51:40 ? Jul 08 06:52:31 1.3GB Jul 08 06:52:36 yeah, you should be able to split it into 2 2GB parts Jul 08 06:52:45 yup Jul 08 06:52:48 :P Jul 08 06:52:55 what's rdesktop? Jul 08 06:53:22 Italodance, "rdesktop is an open source client for Windows Terminal Services" - http://www.rdesktop.org/ Jul 08 06:54:00 johnx tnx do u have the screenshots for IT? Jul 08 06:54:09 just got debian etch on my Nintendo Wii Jul 08 06:54:10 nope, but try google Jul 08 06:54:11 :P Jul 08 06:54:18 ok Jul 08 06:54:20 skibur, awesome. what hardware works? Jul 08 06:54:33 or rather, what doesn't work? :D Jul 08 06:54:53 everything works fine, but needs Wifi Jul 08 06:55:29 its just the base right now Jul 08 06:56:16 has anyone set up free landline/mobile calling with gizmo? Jul 08 06:58:06 * johnx googles about linux/wii Jul 08 06:58:24 wii? Jul 08 06:58:33 nintendo wii Jul 08 06:58:36 u serious? Jul 08 06:58:43 oh you are putting linux on it? Jul 08 06:58:52 well, that's the idea Jul 08 06:58:58 Firefox fixed the Memory issue, but now it suck a lot of power Jul 08 06:59:00 yeah Jul 08 06:59:09 I have Linux on my Nintendo Wii Jul 08 06:59:33 why? Jul 08 06:59:37 why not? Jul 08 06:59:57 well what do you use it for Jul 08 07:00:10 at this stage: playing Jul 08 07:00:23 but everything started as playing, like that internet thing Jul 08 07:00:42 I creating a "Lights Out" game for the Wii Jul 08 07:00:55 media playback would be nice Jul 08 07:00:57 I'm* Jul 08 07:01:00 yeah Jul 08 07:01:04 does it still play games? Jul 08 07:01:05 they already have it Jul 08 07:01:22 its called "Miidia" Jul 08 07:01:38 bex, yeah, it's a dual boot kinda thing Jul 08 07:01:41 I watched a movie on a mplayer Jul 08 07:01:44 oh Jul 08 07:04:59 morning Jul 08 07:05:37 morning Jul 08 07:05:42 and good night Jul 08 07:05:47 :P Jul 08 07:05:53 later Jul 08 07:06:01 ha, see ya Jul 08 07:06:05 need to hit the sack Jul 08 07:06:17 Linux RuleZ!!! Jul 08 07:06:20 'night skibur Jul 08 07:31:06 linux rules almost 1% of market! ;-) Jul 08 07:31:52 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit Jul 08 07:31:52 Reading package lists... Done Jul 08 07:31:52 Building dependency tree... Done Jul 08 07:31:52 E: Couldn't find package maemo-explicit Jul 08 07:31:56 why so ? Jul 08 07:32:35 lbt: any idea Jul 08 07:42:30 hi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800? Jul 08 07:45:02 > hi guys:)I would like to know how to switch the N800's wireless NIC's mode to aodv mode. I have cross-compiled the aodv mode and loaded into the kernel.But when connecting pc through aodv,still can not transfer things~whether i have to conduct a certain set on N800? Jul 08 07:46:04 what are you actually try8ing to do? Jul 08 07:48:22 I just want to configure aodv mode both pc and N800, so i can use gstreamer to transmit video file Jul 08 07:48:46 between pc and n800 Jul 08 07:50:42 hrmm Jul 08 07:50:43 cool Jul 08 07:50:52 id be interested in how to do that Jul 08 07:52:50 But I have hard problem. it has tortured me for a long time Jul 08 07:53:04 Morning, all Jul 08 08:02:28 crashanddie: ping (tablet-encode problems) Jul 08 08:25:36 hi Jul 08 08:25:41 rm_you, you still awake? Jul 08 08:25:57 of course Jul 08 08:26:02 heh Jul 08 08:26:50 as i was dozing off last night i realised as a proof of concept it might be a good idea to try the image pdf thing, ill tell you once actual loading is implemented Jul 08 08:27:33 but im in work now, we shall talk later :) Jul 08 08:29:00 heh ok Jul 08 08:29:10 i can get to work on the backend for that Jul 08 08:29:17 or at least a script to do it Jul 08 08:29:28 which would be fine for ME for the meantime, as long as i can read em :P Jul 08 08:29:31 it may not work really well, but it will give enough of an idea Jul 08 08:29:55 do you have it semi-set-up to load the yuv jpegs? Jul 08 08:29:57 ie scaling to size and stuff will not be in place (yet) Jul 08 08:30:02 yeah... Jul 08 08:30:10 i have it setup to render YUV bitmaps Jul 08 08:30:14 hrm Jul 08 08:30:26 i will work on... something. Jul 08 08:30:30 i*know* the code exists to extract the YUV information from images Jul 08 08:30:58 the nokia loading screen (hands and scrollbar) is open source and uses the jpeg library Jul 08 08:31:15 in the way we require (its also got other goodness in there as well) Jul 08 08:31:28 but gahhhh not now - back later Jul 08 08:31:31 k Jul 08 08:40:59 hi. has anybody seen link errors like this with diablo x86 under scratchbox? `.L894' referenced in section `.rodata' of .obj/debug-shared/qdrawhelper.o: defined in discarded section `.text._Z13qt_memconvert ...? Jul 08 08:52:36 ensonic_ are you here? Jul 08 09:05:26 Jaffa: ping Jul 08 09:06:30 hm, is it not possible to use dpkg directly inside scratchbox? Jul 08 09:06:47 I'm trying to manually install a package I have sitting on my disk Jul 08 09:07:17 dpkg -i filename Jul 08 09:07:22 it was possible before Jul 08 09:07:38 yes I know, but I get Permission denied Jul 08 09:07:43 RST38h: I'm pretty sure it still is ;) Jul 08 09:08:04 pekuja: fakeroot dpkg -i filename Jul 08 09:08:11 ah, thanks Jul 08 09:08:22 hmmm, no Jul 08 09:08:28 I'm trying to install a new toolchain Jul 08 09:08:36 and I don't seem to have access to /scratchbox/compilers Jul 08 09:09:10 llunch -> Jul 08 09:09:57 XFade: I vaguely remember people reporting problems with dpkg in diablo sb Jul 08 09:10:15 nothing fundamental though Jul 08 09:45:09 33 rue de Toul, 75012 Paris Jul 08 09:45:11 oups Jul 08 09:45:14 Crap Jul 08 09:51:48 lardman: Ping Jul 08 09:52:19 <|tbb|> i wonder the built in camera can take pictures like that Jul 08 09:52:36 <|tbb|> anyone using kagu with a2dp Jul 08 09:52:56 X-Fade: pong Jul 08 09:53:24 lardman: Did you receive your acceptance mail for the summit? Jul 08 09:53:35 X-Fade: nope Jul 08 09:54:41 X-Fade: is that the expected outcome? :) Jul 08 09:56:16 lardman: Ehm, no ;) Jul 08 09:56:25 :) Jul 08 09:56:27 lardman: That is what I was checking ;) Jul 08 09:56:48 np :) Jul 08 09:56:53 I saw that Quim approved requests, so I had to check. Jul 08 09:57:08 ah ok, well I'll keep my fingers crossed Jul 08 09:57:18 bbiam Jul 08 09:57:32 lardman: Well, you have been approved. Jul 08 09:57:41 Ehm accepted. Jul 08 10:26:03 X-Fade: cool :) Jul 08 10:26:20 yes ;) Jul 08 10:26:34 lardman: But still, you should have received an email about that.. Jul 08 10:26:56 afraid not Jul 08 10:28:11 plenty of time yet though, so not a big issue Jul 08 10:30:08 lardman, the mail comes from "nobody" check your spam just in case Jul 08 10:30:41 lcuk_work: My spam is either marked ++SPAM++ or sent to /dev/null if it's really spammy, nothing I can do about it Jul 08 10:30:46 * lcuk_work had a rule for that and almost lost it Jul 08 10:31:34 ah Jul 08 10:31:40 depending on what you put in the application it might have been "I want to talk about cailis and enlarging my pen 15" Jul 08 10:31:45 the wonders of Outlook rules Jul 08 10:31:58 My apologies, it was moved, had maemo somewhere in it Jul 08 10:32:05 gmail actually - i had a massive joe jobbing which originated at nobody@ Jul 08 10:32:12 * lardman is slightly embarrassed Jul 08 10:32:21 X-Fade: hope I didn't cause you too much head scratching Jul 08 10:32:27 lol Jul 08 10:33:30 at least it wasn't purged by the uni's mail server anyway Jul 08 10:33:32 * X-Fade pokes lardman with a sharp stick ;) Jul 08 10:33:46 * lardman deserves that Jul 08 10:34:32 * lcuk_work creates a rule in outlook to remind lardman to check his global "unread mail" filter at the top ;) Jul 08 10:34:47 or are you using a really old outlook? Jul 08 10:35:42 I have so many unread mails, all the mailing list stuff just gets moved and remains unread - i read the deleted ones in the inbox before purging the imap server Jul 08 10:36:14 Outlook rules are also really crap, they don't do what you want them to Jul 08 10:37:39 could be user error though I guess Jul 08 10:52:57 all: is it possible to upgrade gcc that is used in DIABLO_X86 target? 3.4.4 it too old and produces link errors for me. Jul 08 10:55:05 Anybody knows at which level on N800 the central joystick button is handled? Can the onscreen keyboard be disabled somehow to not appear when it is pressed? Jul 08 10:57:38 i'm mostly lurking here for months and drifted out maemo dev a bit. what's the future of hildon and such now that nokia acquired trolltech Jul 08 10:57:51 are there known plans ? will a next version of the device use Qt instead of GTK ? Jul 08 11:01:15 ddenis: i do not know, but i would love to know if this is possible too :-) Jul 08 11:05:01 melmoth: well it doesn't look like it is easy. at least I can't find any info on what patches are applyed to it (except ones in debian/patches) and what oss8 means... Jul 08 11:06:22 guardian_: Gtk isn't going anywhere. Next version of Maemo (codenamed: Fremantle) will contain the community-supplied Qt4 from qt4.garage.maemo.org. The version after that (Harmattan) will contain an officially supported, fully integrated and presumably indistinguishable Qt. Jul 08 11:06:45 will hildon desktop move to Qt then ? Jul 08 11:07:06 no, why? Jul 08 11:07:22 first, they should fix hildon-input-method Jul 08 11:07:29 fix in what sense ? Jul 08 11:07:34 (e.g. by using AccessX) Jul 08 11:07:48 for all modifiers and apps Jul 08 11:07:59 make it non-hack Jul 08 11:08:07 currently it's a gtk2 hack Jul 08 11:08:13 why do you call it a hack ? Jul 08 11:08:19 it is one Jul 08 11:08:22 currently it's a GtkIMContext working as a host Jul 08 11:08:28 i can't see the hack in this Jul 08 11:08:33 non-hack, X-global is accessx sicky keys Jul 08 11:08:54 they reimplemented it for GTK only Jul 08 11:08:55 well wouldn't xim be the way to go ? Jul 08 11:09:03 no, xim is for weird languages Jul 08 11:09:16 AccessX is for accessibility, like sticky keys, hold keys, etc. Jul 08 11:09:22 still Jul 08 11:09:33 an input method plugin needs to send back unicode character strings Jul 08 11:09:39 why? Jul 08 11:09:46 it only needs to send keystrokes Jul 08 11:09:55 i don't agree, i'm coding handwriting recognition :D Jul 08 11:10:02 ah, that, yes Jul 08 11:10:04 then it's ok Jul 08 11:10:13 but it still should send key events, for additional usability Jul 08 11:10:16 i can remap the keyboard on the fly with UTF8 keysyms, but THAT is hackish Jul 08 11:10:24 true, you need both Jul 08 11:11:14 in fact for what i've followed from the moblin project, they have the same problems Jul 08 11:11:32 they couldn't use hildon input method at one time because the browser wasn't gtk based Jul 08 11:11:42 now i don't know what they chose since then Jul 08 11:39:00 seen KotCzarny Jul 08 11:39:17 hmmm, how does the bot thing work Jul 08 11:43:27 ~seen KotCzarny Jul 08 11:43:50 kotczarny was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21d 12h 49m 28s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'. Jul 08 11:46:27 florian, thanks :) Jul 08 11:46:46 * lcuk_work wonders how he has a pm from him from this morning Jul 08 11:47:49 Because he was on freenode but not in the channel saying things? Jul 08 11:48:05 Jaffa, ping Jul 08 11:48:08 or pong Jul 08 11:48:23 i thought you had to be in the chan to say anything Jul 08 11:48:32 not a PM Jul 08 11:48:40 Er, you can send private messages just by being connected to the server Jul 08 11:48:42 fair enough Jul 08 11:48:44 /msg nick "This is a PM" Jul 08 11:49:10 nick must be thinking "yer, its a pm but wtf!" Jul 08 11:49:35 let's try Jul 08 11:49:51 * nick :No such nick/channel Jul 08 11:50:30 lcuk_work: yw Jul 08 11:50:55 ok, supposing he was somewhere on freenode, can i check where he might be - i seem to recall something which listed the chans Jul 08 11:51:05 Hmm Jul 08 11:51:15 /whois Jul 08 11:51:15 /whois Jul 08 11:51:18 and //whowas Jul 08 11:51:23 ive not had a logout msg in the pm window Jul 08 11:53:40 yer, just on server Jul 08 11:54:31 * lcuk_work curses the elusive mr Czarny. hes like Keizer Soze Jul 08 11:54:49 Except much less cool. Jul 08 11:55:29 well, there is that Jul 08 11:55:37 and they havent made a movie about him Jul 08 11:56:44 * lcuk_work gets back to real work anyway - ill send him a mail in a bit Jul 08 11:58:46 WoW Jul 08 11:58:48 8 emails Jul 08 11:58:50 7 spam Jul 08 11:58:56 1 from Quil ! w00t Jul 08 11:59:01 Quim** Jul 08 12:00:00 crashanddie, thanks for reminding, I need to clean my spam folder on gmail Jul 08 12:00:23 What's with all the Asian dudes asking for sources on bugzilla over the last couple days? Jul 08 12:00:36 invasion Jul 08 12:01:03 crashanddie, gmail gives a lot of false positives for me and I need to receive some rsvp responses. Jul 08 12:01:09 lol Eero is so awesome. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414#c1 Jul 08 12:01:40 crashanddie: pong Jul 08 12:01:44 They wanted to throw bricks, but making electronics in their factories appeared to be cheaper, so now they want to pack their NIT-bombs with loads of software so it's heavier Jul 08 12:01:47 crashanddie: you were having tablet-encode problems? Jul 08 12:02:46 Jaffa, http://slexy.org/view/s2TETUj0H3 Jul 08 12:03:20 Jaffa, I get that after selecting a file I want to encode, and the output file, and then hitting encode, no matter the quality setting Jul 08 12:09:26 crashanddie: using the GUI version. Hmm, does it work correctly using the command line? Jul 08 12:09:35 crashanddie: also, what distro/Perl version? Jul 08 12:09:36 dunno Jul 08 12:11:05 sorry, got attacked by a wasp Jul 08 12:11:20 crashanddie: do you have a ~/.tablet-encode.conf file? Jul 08 12:11:20 This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi Jul 08 12:11:32 nope Jul 08 12:11:46 distro: Ubuntu Hardy Jul 08 12:12:15 lardman|lunch, gutten appetiet ! Jul 08 12:13:02 oh Jul 08 12:13:11 so now we have lcuk and luck... Jul 08 12:14:55 consider us lucky Jul 08 12:17:23 Jaffa, command line works Jul 08 12:17:25 crashanddie: can you do `dd if= of=sample.avi bs=1M count=4' and send me the 4MB file which'll result? Jul 08 12:17:54 crashanddie: actually, that might not be needed. what's the filename of the file you're trying to convert? Jul 08 12:18:18 err :-° Jul 08 12:18:18 Top.Gear.S11E03.WS.PDTV.XviD-ANGELiC.avi Jul 08 12:18:48 crashanddie: and the output file? (does it already exist?) Jul 08 12:19:09 output file doesn't exist, I've tried test.avi or whatever Jul 08 12:19:34 crashanddie: using the "Save" button or just typing the path? Jul 08 12:19:44 Save button Jul 08 12:20:07 Right, cool, I've managed to recreate it. Jul 08 12:20:36 \o/ Jul 08 12:24:19 How likely is it that somebody is going to come around looking to mount a jffs2 image running a 2.4 kernel? Jul 08 12:24:36 https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Linux_2.4.x_Kernel Jul 08 12:24:42 Do we really need the 2.4-specific steps? Jul 08 12:25:03 heh Jul 08 12:25:08 I'd say the odds are slim Jul 08 12:25:14 Good enough for me. Jul 08 12:33:27 argh, why does the rss feed reader cache go to the user home dir instead of the internal memory card Jul 08 12:33:46 hola Jul 08 12:39:39 This seems to be missing the "put your modified stuff back into the jffs2 image" part Jul 08 12:39:40 https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Archiving_and_extracting_the_rootfs_image Jul 08 12:39:48 Anybody familiar with that process want to flesh it out? Jul 08 12:53:12 GeneralAntilles: Hmm shouldn't the reference links also show more info about what they reference? Jul 08 12:53:26 Yes Jul 08 12:53:30 I was too lazy to add it Jul 08 12:53:36 See Jaffa's MUD page for an example Jul 08 12:53:38 Ah ok ;) Jul 08 12:54:15 Hmm yeah, that is better ;) Jul 08 12:56:20 bbl Jul 08 12:59:44 GeneralAntilles: Do you think I should add to 'Uploading to Extras' a global picture about how the whole track works? (assistant | dput) -> autobuilder -> extras-devel -> (promotion) -> extras Jul 08 12:59:57 Or at least a description... Jul 08 13:00:05 Yes Jul 08 13:00:22 I sat in OmniGraffle for about 10 minutes yesterday thinking about doing just that. :D Jul 08 13:00:34 Flowchart would be great Jul 08 13:02:06 Ah, yeah I was looking for an chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D Jul 08 13:02:20 s/an/a/ Jul 08 13:02:22 X-Fade meant: Ah, yeah I was looking for a chart artist ;) So I guess that is you :D Jul 08 13:02:34 Crap Jul 08 13:05:10 Doh Jul 08 13:05:29 Bah, someone hates me. One of my cheap journeys has gone from 36 eur to 92 eur. Jul 08 13:06:40 Jaffa: Probably means that the cheap seats for that date have been sold. Jul 08 13:12:42 ~lart powervr policy makers ;) Jul 08 13:12:42 * infobot flings poo at powervr policy makers ;) Jul 08 13:13:28 jaffa, you might have to fly *inside* the airplane Jul 08 13:39:31 has anyone got some tips to activate the GPS device on a N810, without requiring the map application? Jul 08 13:40:42 maemo-mapper? :) Jul 08 13:41:23 like how do you just launch that little sattelite icon Jul 08 13:42:12 hendry, you can launch gpsd IIRC Jul 08 13:42:23 hendry, though, gpsd is configured to only accept localhost connections Jul 08 13:42:52 cant you do it through the control panel -> gps Jul 08 13:43:24 Is it possible to disconnect from the current network somehow without clicking "disconnect" in the connectivity manager? I have tried libconic's disconnect method and several other ways but those didn't work :( Jul 08 13:44:24 zappp: ifconfig wlan0 down Jul 08 13:44:31 then: ifconfig wlan0 up Jul 08 13:44:38 hello people Jul 08 13:44:46 not the neatest though :p Jul 08 13:54:35 X-Fade: yeah, there're other arrangements under way by Mrs Jaffa Jul 08 13:56:03 Ah ;) Jul 08 13:56:17 Btw, how is mud-builder coming along? Jul 08 13:56:28 Any difficulties? Jul 08 13:59:33 Nope, over the weekend plan on improving the vim package with a couple of mud enhancements and then promote it to extras Jul 08 14:00:20 texel had a problem last night building kanatest due to an issue with apt-get and repo signatures; but fixed that this morning. Jul 08 14:00:57 Well, it is cool to see that it works ;) Jul 08 14:02:00 Btw, are all packages that are in mud-builder svn already in extras-devel? Jul 08 14:03:52 Or aren't they compatible with the newer versions of mud? Jul 08 14:20:04 X-Fade: not tried them, TBH. Jul 08 14:20:44 Jaffa: I was thinking about a massive upload ;) Jul 08 14:43:58 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 08 14:43:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414#c3 Jul 08 14:44:58 WTF, Remove swap? My N800 shits out sometimes with not enough memory when I have a browser, application manager and x-term open. Jul 08 14:45:18 qwerty12: I never need swap ever? Jul 08 14:45:23 *needed Jul 08 14:45:33 I've always needed it ;) Jul 08 14:45:38 Yeah, same here. Jul 08 14:45:41 It helps a lot. Jul 08 14:45:45 Especially with multitasking. Jul 08 14:45:48 hm Jul 08 14:45:55 maybe i should try enabling Jul 08 14:45:58 it Jul 08 14:46:03 Well, I just close things I don't need ;) Jul 08 14:46:28 Battle for Wesnoth is one that requires swap to run well. Jul 08 14:46:40 yeah Jul 08 14:46:43 X-Fade, multitasking generally implies that everything is being used. :P Jul 08 14:46:48 X-Fade: pft, closing apps... Jul 08 14:47:03 just throw away what ever you don't know what is doing Jul 08 14:47:04 Yeah, but that one is crazy on memory usage ;) Jul 08 14:47:14 Hence the need for swap. Jul 08 14:47:20 drako, pfft. Jul 08 14:47:24 That's a good way to get yourself in trouble. Jul 08 14:47:31 GeneralAntilles: Heh, sure you copy-paste from application manager to your google doc? :) Jul 08 14:47:33 :-D Jul 08 14:47:44 "Oh, icd? I don't know what this does, might as well throw it away." Jul 08 14:47:54 HOLY Jul 08 14:48:00 Soz Jul 08 14:48:36 Anyway, swap is something I recommend to everybody. Jul 08 14:48:36 (That was going to be the start of a sentence that will never walk this earth) Jul 08 14:48:57 The solution that needs to happen would be something like having swap disabled on boot if the card is set ro. Jul 08 14:49:43 i wouldn't mind not having swap. (at least if i had 4 giga ram) Jul 08 14:50:11 * aquatix looks at his home workstation with 8GB ram; ubuntu decided that it needed 9GB swap Jul 08 14:50:23 :D Jul 08 14:51:25 forge: i'm going to let gparted decide otherwise ;) Jul 08 14:52:20 If nokia do remove swap, I'm just gonna copy back the old control panel plugin and make modifications to ke-recv source. Jul 08 14:53:24 Aquatix, i could imagine that being a smart choice :D Jul 08 14:53:58 forge: i thought I'd let the installer decide on its own *once* Jul 08 14:54:03 never going to do that again Jul 08 14:54:11 first time i installed ubuntu anyway Jul 08 14:54:44 That was a stupid choice by me too, it removed my XP recovery partition despite the installer saying it would use only free space. Jul 08 14:54:48 that's why i have mine in a vmware Jul 08 14:55:09 that was free space :-D Jul 08 14:56:10 qwerty12: heh, ouch Jul 08 14:56:57 Thankfully, I've managed to keep this xp install for more than a month without reformatting so hopefully, I shouldn't have a use for it :P Jul 08 14:57:56 Hmm I opened 6 browsers with all kinds of large pages on my diablo n810 and it doesn't complain about memory? Jul 08 14:58:08 GeneralAntilles: does Remote Buddy work with Maemo? (found anything else like it that does?) Jul 08 14:58:16 fysa, works fine Jul 08 14:58:21 Just use the http interface. Jul 08 14:58:27 X-Fade, flash and javascript may have turned off Jul 08 14:58:30 It doesn't complain Jul 08 14:58:31 While application manager and file manager are open too btw. Jul 08 14:58:37 it just starts shutting things down. Jul 08 14:58:51 Nope flash still works. Jul 08 14:59:05 remotebuddy+nicecast+itunes seems to be a nice setup. Jul 08 14:59:47 X-Fade, either way, I KNOW users do run into it frequently Jul 08 14:59:55 * qwerty12 for one Jul 08 15:00:08 GeneralAntilles: On diablo too? Jul 08 15:00:11 krisse has a whole article on his site about the issue. Jul 08 15:00:15 Yes, on Diablo too. Jul 08 15:00:20 Nothing changed in that regard. Jul 08 15:00:25 GeneralAntilles: I had it on chinook, but haven't seen it ever on diablo. Jul 08 15:01:25 btw Jul 08 15:01:32 Still, "our implementation is broken so instead of fixing it we should just dump it entirely" isn't a correct answer. Jul 08 15:01:34 how are we supposed to get a Maemo t-shirt ? Jul 08 15:01:40 Be awesome like me. Jul 08 15:01:47 depends on how broken it is ;) Jul 08 15:01:53 GeneralAntilles, you're not awesome Jul 08 15:01:55 (tried FileZilla for OS X yesterday) Jul 08 15:02:01 GeneralAntilles, you're american, so that's quite incompatible Jul 08 15:02:10 Oooh buuurn Jul 08 15:02:20 POW Jul 08 15:02:21 Mhuwhahahaha, yeah, there Jul 08 15:02:23 I've said it Jul 08 15:02:37 How's, oh, nuclear energy working out for you in France there? :P Jul 08 15:02:47 Come, EU V US. Fight's in my backyard. :P Jul 08 15:03:11 :-)) Jul 08 15:03:14 Nuclear energy ? I dunno, I pedal, and I have 6 chinese blokes pedaling 24/7 to give me powaaaa Jul 08 15:04:04 Plus, I don't shave, and I'll capitulate to anyone with a sound of authority (read german-voice) Jul 08 15:04:26 GeneralAntilles: fyi, that's the biggest electricity export source of France Jul 08 15:04:33 And yesse, I speak with ze cigarette in my mouth Jul 08 15:04:38 X-Fade: i had it in diablo recently Jul 08 15:04:42 Yeah, aquatix, I know. ;) Jul 08 15:05:21 * aquatix <- stating the obvious since 1982 Jul 08 15:05:28 crashanddie should supply them with weed to burn instead, that would be job satisfaction as the workers breathe in the weed fumes Jul 08 15:06:33 are you mad ? Jul 08 15:06:55 Well, you could charge street rates + a lot extra on top. Jul 08 15:07:17 But to answer your question, I AM MAD! Jul 08 15:07:23 MUHAHAHAHAHAHA Jul 08 15:07:28 I'm pretty sure of one thing though Jul 08 15:07:32 I know where you'd work if I did :D Jul 08 15:07:39 qwerty12: shush, we know ;) Jul 08 15:07:48 not weed discussions again~! Jul 08 15:08:01 crashanddie, indeed you do :P Jul 08 15:08:10 aquatix, MAD PEOPLE DO NOT BE QUIET! :P Jul 08 15:08:18 lardman, true, I shall shut up now. Jul 08 15:08:30 lol Jul 08 15:08:50 One track mind. . . . Jul 08 15:08:54 "Hey guys, here's your weekly supply... Say... Where's my man Q?" "Err, like usual, checking something in the air vents" Jul 08 15:09:13 * aquatix hands qwerty12 a pointed hat Jul 08 15:09:21 * lardman feels a need to submit some enhancement bugs Jul 08 15:09:29 crashanddie, lol Jul 08 15:09:44 thanks aquatix, now I can beat you up with it :) Jul 08 15:10:04 (well, I'd put a gun inside the hat) Jul 08 15:10:20 * aquatix puts on his anti-pointy-hat-missile-hat Jul 08 15:11:40 * qwerty12 puts on the hat that penetrates the anti-pointy-hat-missile-hat Jul 08 15:12:22 * aquatix shoots qwerty12 in the face and continues typing madly at his thesis Jul 08 15:12:35 * crashanddie disables /me Jul 08 15:12:48 * aquatix throws a /me at crashanddie Jul 08 15:12:49 * GeneralAntilles evades. Jul 08 15:12:54 Ouch. Your bullets cannot touch me as I have the bullet proof hat. Jul 08 15:13:15 too bad your hat didn't cover your face Jul 08 15:13:33 Dunno, I keep my hat down looowww Jul 08 15:13:33 * aquatix fires up his Nerf railgun Jul 08 15:13:40 ah :) Jul 08 15:21:46 * lardman feels better now Jul 08 15:22:09 Btw Jul 08 15:22:12 for all you yanks Jul 08 15:22:12 http://slexy.org/view/s206qeQBqm Jul 08 15:22:35 lmao Jul 08 15:24:58 :) always brings a smile to the face that one Jul 08 15:26:39 hmm, looks like it's been modified since the Al Gore/Bush times Jul 08 15:26:39 note to self: don't reply to some guy promising 8.500.000.000 african currency, even if it's to make fun of him, or you will get spammed to death Jul 08 15:27:18 yeah, I've seen an more spam getting through gmail filters recently Jul 08 15:27:19 Which African currency? Jul 08 15:27:29 what is on that slexy site? anything new and original?:) Jul 08 15:27:31 'Cause that's like an eigth of a cent in Zimbabwe dollars. Jul 08 15:27:44 derf: Probably usd ;) Jul 08 15:27:58 Probably the Nigerian currency :/ Jul 08 15:28:10 well, US$ is worth as much as the Congolese Frank so... Jul 08 15:29:15 USD1000 is like what... 50euros nowadays? :P Jul 08 15:29:28 :) Jul 08 15:29:34 Meh, the UK could be going the same way :/ Jul 08 15:29:36 more like 666 Jul 08 15:29:47 ooh, red currency Jul 08 15:29:52 but you guessed the trend right Jul 08 15:29:57 * lcuk_work is not looking forward to tomoroww Jul 08 15:30:05 1 USD = .6 Euro Jul 08 15:30:10 (no, its not a spelling test) Jul 08 15:30:19 it's** Jul 08 15:30:24 qwerty: only if you decide to occupy afghanistan AGAIN Jul 08 15:30:26 .\.. Jul 08 15:30:34 OMG ive got a broken finger now as well Jul 08 15:30:41 haha Jul 08 15:30:52 today is lcuk's day. Jul 08 15:31:06 RST38h, Heh, who knows, we can bring back sand @) Jul 08 15:31:06 qwerty: but something is telling me that uk is done doing that Jul 08 15:31:09 yer, typos and mistakes and broken teef Jul 08 15:31:21 #define "July 8th" "Lcuky Day" Jul 08 15:31:49 lcuk_work: I can commisserate, I've got a swollen finger Jul 08 15:31:55 Think an ifndef will follow? Jul 08 15:33:42 Hmm, think pastebin is a good place to upload an 7MB diff? Jul 08 15:33:51 qwerty12, slexy it Jul 08 15:34:02 Thanks, will do Jul 08 15:34:16 At some point, I was stress-testing slexy Jul 08 15:34:33 20 concurrent 8megs text files Jul 08 15:34:45 for about 2 hours Jul 08 15:34:59 Hehe Jul 08 15:35:08 needless to say, my IP got blacklisted :-° Jul 08 15:35:27 bribe them :P Jul 08 15:35:43 ~lart bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart! Jul 08 15:35:44 * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at bloody Windows for asking me if I'd like to update WMP, downloading XMb of data, starting to install, then telling me I'm actually up to date and nothing needs to be done, and then telling me I need to restart! Jul 08 15:35:55 aaargh Jul 08 15:36:07 I'm just used to running task manager on messages like that now :/ Jul 08 15:36:30 well, I told TPJ to unlist me, or I'd single handedly would DDoS his other websites :D Jul 08 15:37:11 Haha, but what if police come and stumble onto something bigger ;)? Jul 08 15:38:01 Like Puerto Rico Police is going to come and knock at my door because I temporarily disabled his website Jul 08 15:38:13 (yeah, TPJ lives in puerto rico) Jul 08 15:38:52 Let him know I want diff/patch syntax highlighting :P) Jul 08 15:38:58 (I'm lazy.) Jul 08 15:39:15 he's not on, I'll tell him when he comes around Jul 08 15:39:59 arrgh, firefox is threating to crash when pasting a 5mb patch in >.< and I didn't save my post, arrgh! Jul 08 15:46:06 crashanddie, just out of question, did slexy give you a blank page when uploading a "big" text file? Jul 08 15:46:17 nope Jul 08 15:46:27 It has done to me :( Jul 08 15:49:25 :) Jul 08 15:57:29 is it safe to remove unneeded locales from /usr/share/locale, or is there some good way to do it? I see they take quite alot of space Jul 08 16:07:39 * qwerty12 loves session manager, it just restored my firefox with the text in the thread i'm making. Jul 08 16:26:18 Kegetys did you remove the locales? Jul 08 16:26:51 im looking to do the same thing, and uninstall apps in other languages etc Jul 08 16:26:57 Kegetys, localepurge is the preferred method but sparsstuff page showing the modfications needed for it to work are gone now :/ Jul 08 16:28:36 what is localepurgee? Jul 08 16:28:46 qwerty12, you have any familiarity with this? https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image#Repacking_the_image Jul 08 16:29:12 GeneralAntilles, Yes, that's how I used to repack the initfs :) Jul 08 16:29:16 would be nice to do it cleanly, I suppose just deleting the unneeded ones would work though Jul 08 16:29:24 Does the Maemo 2.2 method still work fine? Jul 08 16:29:48 Think you could transpose the relevant parts of that to the wiki so it's not just a link to the old documentation page? Jul 08 16:30:21 Hmm, maemo 2.2 method? Jul 08 16:30:51 (Both those methods on that page work) Jul 08 16:31:15 i.e., take the relevant information from here: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/howto_use_flasher_rootfs.html Jul 08 16:31:20 and put it on the wiki page Jul 08 16:31:36 The wiki page goes, unpack, mount, modify, flash Jul 08 16:31:43 we're missing the "repack" step. Jul 08 16:31:52 Which is why I linked to the Maemo 2 documentation page Jul 08 16:32:07 but it would be better if the relevant parts of that page were just right there in the wiki. Jul 08 16:32:45 Hmm, I don't think that method on that maemo 2.2 page works anymore due to nokia moving the location of the files and just not updating those files. I have an line that I used to repack initfs, I'll go dig it up. Jul 08 16:33:03 Perfect. ;) Jul 08 16:35:18 mkfs.jffs2 -r -o -e 128 -l -n Jul 08 16:35:35 (that line is only for the initfs, rootfs will require higher block size. Jul 08 16:35:53 mtd-utils needs to be installed for that command to be available. Jul 08 16:36:17 Alright, turn that into a short how-to? Jul 08 16:36:59 melmoth: were you interested in upgrading g++? I've just compiled g++ 4.2.4 in diablo x86 scratchbox and it was straight-forward - just configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && make install Jul 08 16:38:10 ddenis, You can already get cs2008 toolchain for scratchbox. I know gcc 4 is in there, not sure about g++ though. Jul 08 16:38:33 GeneralAntilles, I dunno, I never needed an how to, I'd just update my folder and run that command :) Jul 08 16:38:49 lol Jul 08 16:38:52 qwerty12: what is cs2008 and where can I get it? (...googles...) Jul 08 16:39:16 Well, they're going to have to suffer with the outdated Maemo 2 page until you or somebody else adds up-to-date information. :P Jul 08 16:39:26 ddenis, http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/?M=A Jul 08 16:39:30 but anyway I needed newer g++ only for x86 target since 3.4.4 don't link because of an link error (compiler bug) Jul 08 16:39:37 Ah, ok :) Jul 08 16:39:50 bu anyway thanks :) Jul 08 16:40:09 GeneralAntilles, Heh, I never made a working rootfs anyway, I could get an initfs to work but thats it :) Jul 08 16:40:38 hmm, cool thing this localepurge. This should be ported to n8xx Jul 08 16:40:42 is there a way to flasher to an external card using the linux flasher tool? Jul 08 16:42:20 GeneralAntilles, A cut down version of this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 should do it for repacking Jul 08 16:42:31 zap, it was done but now the page is gone :( Jul 08 16:44:47 Hmmm I can't seem to use Gio:: - the include files don't appear to be present. Are they supposed to be or are they not yet ported? Jul 08 16:47:49 ping, could someone Jul 08 16:48:02 ? Jul 08 16:48:20 tell me if there's a *tiny*mail*.so* in /usr/lib Jul 08 16:48:28 or something like that? Jul 08 16:48:30 (diablo) Jul 08 16:48:48 one sec Jul 08 16:49:01 yes, for me there is Jul 08 16:49:05 perfect, thanks Jul 08 16:49:11 lots of them Jul 08 16:49:22 the bug i can think of is mmx Jul 08 16:49:26 oops, wrong window Jul 08 16:49:31 http://pastebin.com/d2112dc5a Jul 08 16:52:56 * qwerty12 goes to compile latest mtd-utils from git using fanoush's mods Jul 08 17:18:39 lol Jul 08 17:18:44 Will the idiocy never stop? Jul 08 17:18:44 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=200600&postcount=137 Jul 08 17:19:03 <||cw> no, no it won't. Jul 08 17:19:41 <||cw> not sure it's a bad thing though, without idiots I wouldn't look so smart Jul 08 17:31:30 does anyone have a mirror of the easy debian deb file? Jul 08 17:32:46 ie. http://qole.maemobox.org/easy-deb-chroot-0.5-4_armel.deb <-- that is down Jul 08 17:33:16 Well, if someone does have a mirror, it won't help you as the image file will have to be downloaded again and that is on the same server Jul 08 17:33:43 baals. Jul 08 17:34:21 guess i'll have to do some work then - where is the fun in that! Jul 08 17:37:58 * lcuk feels like hes havin a seance Jul 08 17:49:11 hello Jul 08 17:49:33 got debian installed + KDE + clone diablo on a 4 GB SD card Jul 08 17:49:37 :) Jul 08 17:50:09 sounds fun :D Jul 08 17:50:17 * johnx plays with upnp Jul 08 17:53:45 :) Jul 08 17:54:09 hum.. does icewm take long to start? Jul 08 17:54:22 all I see is a tree and the logo for debian Jul 08 17:54:25 aaah, you're using the qole chroot debian Jul 08 17:54:29 yeah Jul 08 17:54:31 I don't know anything about it... Jul 08 17:54:46 open office looks good Jul 08 17:54:47 :P Jul 08 17:55:11 heh...your choice of course. I don't see any reason to use open office instead of abiword Jul 08 17:55:28 hmm, trying Android and I'm stuck on a screen asking if I want to Add an XMPP account Jul 08 17:55:34 is that usual? Jul 08 17:55:52 nope :p Jul 08 17:55:54 yeah Jul 08 17:56:04 abiword is just fine Jul 08 17:56:35 qwerty12, have u tried qole chroot debian? Jul 08 17:56:35 qwerty12_N800: is it very very slow? Jul 08 17:57:20 johnx: Does abiword do presentations? Jul 08 17:57:33 That's the only thing I actually use Open Office for. Jul 08 17:57:41 skibur, yep, but i had to reflash due to unrelated matter :) Jul 08 17:57:46 * Stskeeps wonders wtf his debian won't boot Jul 08 17:58:52 lardman, can be, but i don't remember how much because i installed android onto a ext2 partition rather than using that loopfs :/ Jul 08 17:59:05 ah right Jul 08 17:59:28 derf, I guess that's a the sticking point. I rarely have to touch ppts these days. When I do I just have docs.google.com render them since I'd only get them in email anyways Jul 08 18:01:40 I don't care about viewing them. I have to _make_ them. Jul 08 18:01:51 on a tablet? Jul 08 18:01:57 that sounds painful Jul 08 18:02:03 Well, it's painful in general. Jul 08 18:02:15 i use latex beamer for creating presentations Jul 08 18:02:37 s/painful/significantly more painful than necessary Jul 08 18:02:40 jott: I tried. After spending four hours fighting with LaTeX over positioning an image, I gave up. Jul 08 18:03:09 Don't get me wrong. I love LaTeX. Just not for that. Jul 08 18:03:10 derf: hah yeah you have to know latex foo but in the end it's really good Jul 08 18:03:26 I've been using LaTeX for over a decade. Jul 08 18:03:37 johnx: was there ever a proper battery meter hal thing for debian+ Jul 08 18:03:38 ? Jul 08 18:03:53 not plugged into hal, no Jul 08 18:04:07 k Jul 08 18:04:13 derf: esp. in combination with pgf/tikz Jul 08 18:04:17 i played a little with hald-addon-retu-adc or something Jul 08 18:04:18 on OS2008 the battery stuff is done through dbus, but there is something called kcbatt Jul 08 18:04:29 but need to package it Jul 08 18:04:38 which looks at retu-adc values directly to gauge the battery level Jul 08 18:04:54 `/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device :( Jul 08 18:05:01 jott: Right, those I have never needed to use. Jul 08 18:05:20 johnx: yeah, got kcbatt in tablet-powersave Jul 08 18:05:21 derf: yeah in the end it depends on *what* you want to show.. Jul 08 18:05:29 lcuk, too much dev packages :P :( Jul 08 18:05:38 just photos or some graphs/diagrams etc. Jul 08 18:05:38 need moar though Jul 08 18:05:53 The answer is, of course, both. Jul 08 18:06:02 so latex beamer is the way to go ;) Jul 08 18:06:19 with nice graphs from pgf ;) Jul 08 18:06:20 lcuk, boot from sd. You can't avoid it forever Jul 08 18:06:33 i know john, would someone be kind enough to clone me to mmc whilst we are at the summit? Jul 08 18:06:47 lcuk . . . Jul 08 18:06:48 get me a ticket, I'll clone whatever you want Jul 08 18:06:51 (well, not all of me - i think one is enough) Jul 08 18:07:01 yer gen Jul 08 18:07:12 https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Jul 08 18:07:16 It's very straightforward Jul 08 18:07:24 I script takes care of a lot of the heavy lifting. :P Jul 08 18:08:07 johnx: tried to apply for a sponsorship? Jul 08 18:09:03 nah, I was just kidding. I don't think I have much to add to a serious conference Jul 08 18:09:13 GeneralAntilles, :) i actually tried to get all that sorted. i nearly blew my device up trying last time and im lucky ive still got anything left. Jul 08 18:09:28 free beers to the generous bod who clones me to mmc and fixes my mmc2 corruption thing Jul 08 18:09:35 <_< Jul 08 18:09:45 johnx, people keep saying things like that. Jul 08 18:09:58 I don't buy it. Jul 08 18:11:06 lcuk, partition the card, format the partitions, install fanoush's initfs, and copy over your install to the card. Jul 08 18:11:14 The hard part is sfdisk Jul 08 18:11:19 Everything else is dead simple. Jul 08 18:11:23 thanks, ill tell the person who does it for me :D Jul 08 18:11:25 * johnx needs to look at cfdisk again Jul 08 18:11:32 * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. Jul 08 18:11:47 I *hate* sfdisk Jul 08 18:11:57 lcuk, i think they would already know how :p Jul 08 18:12:04 hah first thing i did was to install plain fdisk Jul 08 18:12:14 GeneralAntilles, i have much more interesting better more relivant things to do with my time than try to learn and understand a whole lot of incantations Jul 08 18:12:18 Can't it be invoked to use megabytes instead of cylinders? Jul 08 18:12:29 johnx, i've got cfdisk packaged from latest util-linux Jul 08 18:12:30 lcuk, there's no learning or understanding. Jul 08 18:12:32 It's just doing. Jul 08 18:12:35 yeah, how you can see fdisk and then end up making a partitioner that's less friendly is beyond me... Jul 08 18:12:36 It takes 20 minutes Jul 08 18:12:41 10 of which are the tarring operation. Jul 08 18:12:42 qwerty12_N800, awesome! Jul 08 18:12:52 it took me nearly 2 days last time i tried gen. i know my limitations Jul 08 18:13:15 lcuk, you have the funniest thoughts about your limitations. :) Jul 08 18:13:37 indepth c hacking and making things go fast with recursive memory allocation. CHECK. command line chanting. UH URGGGGGGGG Jul 08 18:13:39 johnx, http://www.mediafire.com/?992d1yvr4z3 :) Jul 08 18:14:00 You're going to have to learn it at some point. Jul 08 18:14:04 qwerty12_N800, how much did you have to edit the source package? Jul 08 18:14:30 GeneralAntilles, so far ive been driving a car for 15 years, in that 15 years i have not learnt how to fix it Jul 08 18:14:34 there shouldn't be much to do to get *fdisk running.. Jul 08 18:14:35 qwerty12_N800, package it up for Extras so we can switch the tutorial over to cfdisk? Jul 08 18:14:41 johnx, i just ripped out the parts that weren't compiling :/ Jul 08 18:15:08 maybe get gparted running with gtk gui ;) Jul 08 18:15:12 johnx, i over analyse things Jul 08 18:15:21 GeneralAntilles, I would do but it's a bit of an "unofficial" package, i repacked after compiling Jul 08 18:15:42 anyway, i'll be back later Jul 08 18:15:43 the car analogy fails because you're just driving your car, not tuning it up :P Jul 08 18:15:46 We need something more workable than sfdisk Jul 08 18:15:57 util-linux is in extras but thanks to busybox, it wont install hence this package Jul 08 18:16:27 lcuk, the car analogy would go something like. "I just build incredible performance parts...but I can't really drive one." Jul 08 18:16:43 i guess gparted should be easy to compile.. Jul 08 18:17:05 the gnome disk usage analyzer looks interesting to me as well Jul 08 18:17:17 johnx, that reminds me of a TV show where they had a rocket scientist and some other academic people competing with eachother in performing a burnout :-) Jul 08 18:17:31 ShadowJK, :D Jul 08 18:17:40 no johnx, i learn by example. i try it, if it doesnt work, fine i start again. with the mmc drives if i screw them up it takes a long time to rebuilld. what is wrong with letting someone experienced in the motions from taking over and doing what they know and understand? Jul 08 18:18:03 i dont want to be without a way to code for however long it will take to rebuild Jul 08 18:18:06 basic question, why can't I mount an ext2 fs formatted sd card? Jul 08 18:18:13 lcuk, because it's a little sad. :P Jul 08 18:18:23 lcuk, then the first thing you need to learn is how to make a good backup Jul 08 18:18:25 lardman, got modules inserted? Jul 08 18:19:07 lcuk, and the reason is, is that like now it will limit what you can accomplish if you have to wait for someone else Jul 08 18:19:45 qwerty12_N800: I'm not allowed to insert it Jul 08 18:19:53 not at all - i was just trying to add an extra library. like everything else ill just find an alternative that does do it Jul 08 18:19:59 qwerty12_N800: "insmod: cannot insert 'ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory" Jul 08 18:20:09 mbcache.ko first Jul 08 18:20:17 tried inserting mbcache.ko? Jul 08 18:20:25 ah, GA beat me :) Jul 08 18:20:30 ah, good stuff Jul 08 18:20:31 lardman, dmesg | tail will tell you those unknown symbols to give you a clue Jul 08 18:20:40 ^ Jul 08 18:20:47 apologies, I've never needed to use ext2 on my tablet Jul 08 18:20:49 or use depmod and then insmod ;) Jul 08 18:20:54 erm modprobe Jul 08 18:21:26 ah yes, dmesg shows the symbols, insmod/modprobe not so useful Jul 08 18:23:55 I'll continue trying to install Android on that partition after food :) Jul 08 18:28:19 lardman|supper, i just untarred this onto my ext2 partition in ubuntu : http://www.alextreme.org/drupal//?q=android_on_n810 (same thing that's in the loopfs). and then just edited `which android.sh Jul 08 18:28:31 Ave, morituri te salutant! Jul 08 18:28:55 lardman|supper, ` to say /dev/mmcblo etc Jul 08 18:29:08 Hi, pupnik. Jul 08 18:29:40 Hail GeneralAntilles Jul 08 18:29:46 how goes the battle? Jul 08 18:30:02 Which one? :P Jul 08 18:31:00 100$ mail in rebate for eee900 out :) Jul 08 18:31:09 Ew Eee Jul 08 18:31:23 It's amazing how little time it took for Asus to completely dilute the brand. Jul 08 18:31:55 i laff that they apparently gave up on the atom Jul 08 18:33:06 pupnik, hmm? what do you mean? Jul 08 18:33:14 i thought the 901 had an atom? Jul 08 18:33:35 oh then i am misremembering Jul 08 18:34:01 they gave up on linux and small sized, cheap laptops though :/ Jul 08 18:34:26 the eee ships with winbblows now? Jul 08 18:34:38 in a lot of configurations Jul 08 18:34:50 they're definitely not pushing linux like before Jul 08 18:34:51 pupnik: what you say? Jul 08 18:34:55 woot, finally an nearly perfect clone of the volume/brightness(+rotation) thing: http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3231/volrobcc1.png Jul 08 18:35:18 jott, hot sauce! Jul 08 18:35:20 not interested in eee so much. but it might be a nice momputer Jul 08 18:35:22 rm_you, PIIING! Jul 08 18:35:55 pupnik, was thinking the same thing. I was really looking forward to the future of <$300 laptops too Jul 08 18:36:00 needs some little clean ups, and maybe some parts from rm_you's code.. Jul 08 18:36:03 re Jul 08 18:36:21 to get cfdisk - get libslang2 from debian armel, dpkg --force-depends -i it, get util-linux armel deb, mkdir -p deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -e util-linux.deb deb/DEBIAN, dpkg-deb -x util-linux.deb deb, deb/sbin/cfdisk (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cfdisk.jpg) Jul 08 18:36:22 but works nice and coherent as it seems Jul 08 18:36:23 jott, also, a mute button would be nice Jul 08 18:36:31 jott, wow. anyways, i released those ported android patches Jul 08 18:36:48 johnx: hm? just press on the speaker to mute? or what do you mean? Jul 08 18:37:07 The little speaker is mute. Jul 08 18:37:17 jott, sorry, I somehow completely missed it O_o Jul 08 18:37:22 * johnx should sleep soon Jul 08 18:37:23 Hrm, jott, think that might be merged with adv-backlight? Jul 08 18:38:00 GeneralAntilles: yeah, wonder which parts are needed from it but would make sense to take them.. Jul 08 18:38:55 btw: i also traced down dsme so it's actually using dsme system calls instead of running the dsmetest program Jul 08 18:39:38 ooh, nice, how did you wangle that? Jul 08 18:40:24 some reading of old nokia code and poking around with ginspector Jul 08 18:41:04 basically there are two tricks involved, first setting the right windowname and second grabbing the mouse and keyboard globally Jul 08 18:41:06 super-adv-backlight Jul 08 18:41:20 Definitely doesn't serve anybody to have two projects. Jul 08 18:41:20 so it will close when clicked outside of the menu Jul 08 18:41:23 thanks, i'm always intrested in these sorts of things :) Jul 08 18:41:53 Rotation part is pretty hot. Jul 08 18:41:54 GeneralAntilles: yeah actually it grew from my rotation plugin codebase ;) Jul 08 18:42:05 GeneralAntilles: the icons rotate with it Jul 08 18:42:14 so it will actually always show the right physical orientation Jul 08 18:42:44 * GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you. Jul 08 18:42:55 so some cleaning and i'll put the source some place Jul 08 18:43:11 GeneralAntilles, yeah, that's why I pinged him earlier, but it's pretty early for him Jul 08 18:43:23 He's on the west coast these days, isn't he? Jul 08 18:43:26 jott, your rotation is gaining lots of praise :) well done and thank you for doing such a thing Jul 08 18:43:28 What's with his sleeping schedule. . . . Jul 08 18:43:33 yeah, but he still keeps an rm_you schedule Jul 08 18:43:46 he seems close to JST if that helps Jul 08 18:43:51 Ha Jul 08 18:46:16 rotation of what jott? the whole xserver and hildon ui? Jul 08 18:46:22 http://sse2.net/rotate/ Jul 08 18:47:58 oh it's been worked-on .. nice jott Jul 08 18:48:41 pupnik: yeah just finally managed to get the status bar menu like the closed nokia ones.. Jul 08 18:49:01 i don't... do... Jul 08 18:49:11 do you make your own theme for that then? Jul 08 18:49:19 jott, I believe rm_you may owe you $20. ;) Jul 08 18:49:24 hah Jul 08 18:49:27 hahahah Jul 08 18:49:59 pupnik: let's see i'll wait for rm_you and see how we can join forces Jul 08 18:50:44 i can understand the lcd controller rotating, i don't see how hildon can theme for the different aspect ratio Jul 08 18:50:46 jott, the only downside to joining up with rm_you is you have to keep the same sleep pattern as him Jul 08 18:50:54 Ha Jul 08 18:51:21 pupnik, 225dpi whether its 800*480 or 480*00 Jul 08 18:51:24 800^ Jul 08 18:51:28 jott, has the rotation stuff on your site be updated for Diablo? Jul 08 18:51:38 s/be/been/ Jul 08 18:51:39 GeneralAntilles meant: jott, has the rotation stuff on your site been updated for Diablo? Jul 08 18:51:44 yes but the last time i looked at themes, they were hardcoded for 800x480 Jul 08 18:51:49 lcuk: heh well as long as we are each awake more than 12 hours in a row chances are pretty high we find some intersection ;) Jul 08 18:52:06 GeneralAntilles: no.. good point Jul 08 18:52:12 jott, dont be too sure, i personally think rm_you is actually on the ISS Jul 08 18:52:13 GeneralAntilles: maybe link to qwerty12_N800 deb? Jul 08 18:52:27 Also, osso-software-version-unlocked should solve any osso-software-version versioning issues. Jul 08 18:52:39 lcuk: in a cryogenic sleep phase? ,) Jul 08 18:52:44 GeneralAntilles: yep.. Jul 08 18:53:08 lol, qwerty12_N800, rapidshare. . . . Jul 08 18:53:13 hehe Jul 08 18:53:15 You should start a garage project or something. :P Jul 08 18:53:28 yup, jott - is there no way this rotation thing can be done as an insmod instead of a whole new kernel? Jul 08 18:53:30 or just push the kernel in extras ;) Jul 08 18:53:31 "qwerty12's Bazaar of Crap" Jul 08 18:54:06 Meh, it's not my work to start a garage project on. Jul 08 18:54:16 Wish flash-and-reboot has some more useful options. Jul 08 18:54:22 s/has/had/ Jul 08 18:54:24 GeneralAntilles meant: Wish flash-and-reboot had some more useful options. Jul 08 18:54:25 GeneralAntilles, - "of Crap" Jul 08 18:54:40 "Bazaar of Assorted Insanity" Jul 08 18:54:57 thats more like like it :p Jul 08 18:55:14 Hrm, who thinks I should file an enhancement request for a more useful flash-and-reboot? Jul 08 18:55:31 hm GeneralAntilles what do you want to do with it? Jul 08 18:55:36 GeneralAntilles, it's a script that calls fiasco-flasher, all the options you need are there ;) Jul 08 18:55:51 Ah, right then. Jul 08 18:55:59 Hoho Jul 08 18:56:00 Perfect. Jul 08 18:57:11 yeah with fiasco-flasher on the device the community kernel flashing could really be improved Jul 08 18:57:34 yay, community flashing! woo! Jul 08 18:57:45 wooo group flashing! Jul 08 18:57:52 * GeneralAntilles flashes johnx . . . Jul 08 18:57:59 * johnx kries Jul 08 18:58:00 . . . 's zaurus with a virus. Jul 08 18:58:28 nokia's flashing packages in the public repo suck balls. i had to repack the one from the diablo update repo and update md5sum. Jul 08 18:59:19 loosing my usb card-reader somewhere in the house sucks more :( Jul 08 18:59:31 qwerty12_N800, one problem with running flash-and-reboot is that it'll overwrite the initfs. Jul 08 18:59:47 yeah just call fiasco-flasher -k directly.. Jul 08 18:59:55 Assuming there's an initfs image waiting in the pipeline. Jul 08 19:00:21 I just made that deb using nokia standards :) Jul 08 19:00:52 maybe next time, i'll just use fiasco-flasher from postinst Jul 08 19:00:53 cheers qwerty12_N800 Jul 08 19:01:03 np lardman Jul 08 19:01:36 hm i wonder why they did not compile the fiasco-flasher for the initfs, this would allow some neat menu based kernel switching Jul 08 19:01:56 i'd rather see kexec Jul 08 19:02:03 fanoush has been working on that Jul 08 19:02:04 slowly Jul 08 19:02:21 cool Jul 08 19:02:23 qwerty12_N800: yeah have you actually tried kexec? Jul 08 19:03:04 jott, never had a reason to on my desktop, but i'd like it on a tablet. Jul 08 19:03:28 i don't see the point in reflashing kernel all the time. Jul 08 19:03:33 true Jul 08 19:07:18 * qwerty12_N800 notes not to ever close web browser while hildon-desktop is jammed Jul 08 19:10:56 wow...Nokia's definitely been messing around with icd it seems Jul 08 19:11:20 Yessir Jul 08 19:11:25 WiMAX and whatnot. Jul 08 19:11:33 Hopefully they push an update to fix it at some point. Jul 08 19:12:22 finally getting around to scripting some events to happen on connect to an AP Jul 08 19:12:39 dunno why they closed it, osso-ic is oss iirc Jul 08 19:13:41 WiMAX, maybe. Jul 08 19:14:40 ~lart hildon-desktop. brb Jul 08 19:14:41 * infobot steals hildon-desktop. brb's mojo Jul 08 19:16:49 What is osso-software-version-34 ? Jul 08 19:17:00 And how it's different from osso-software-version-rx44? Jul 08 19:17:33 Er, N800 and N810. . . . Jul 08 19:17:38 different tablets, different help files etc Jul 08 19:17:50 oh Jul 08 19:17:56 sad' Jul 08 19:18:10 sad? Jul 08 19:18:17 so I can't make a package depend on osso-software-rx44-unlocked Jul 08 19:18:22 since it won't work on n800 Jul 08 19:18:35 you can or dependencies Jul 08 19:18:42 osso-software-rx44-unlocked | osso-software-rx34-unlocked Jul 08 19:18:47 hmm Jul 08 19:18:53 and what if neither is installed ? Jul 08 19:18:55 Better throw rx48 in there for future proofing. Jul 08 19:18:57 it does work as i've installed it Jul 08 19:19:07 :-( Jul 08 19:19:10 zap, just use the control file from the nokia libfreetype... Jul 08 19:19:21 doh Jul 08 19:19:22 qwerty12_N800: that would suck :) Jul 08 19:19:40 works for me :p :) Jul 08 19:19:55 besides, osso is a registered trademark of nokia, as far as I understand Jul 08 19:20:39 Er, what does that have to do with anything? Jul 08 19:20:54 and it most definitely isn't a Nokia trademark Jul 08 19:20:58 http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=osso Jul 08 19:21:13 OSSO doesn't even exist anymore. Jul 08 19:21:39 then why is it still in maemo? Jul 08 19:21:43 seems odd Jul 08 19:21:43 well, Nokia discourages usage of the word osso in 3rd party packages Jul 08 19:21:53 Toba, because packages don't get renamed over night. Jul 08 19:21:59 I guess so. Jul 08 19:22:27 It's frequently disruptive to rename a package for the sake of renaming a package. Jul 08 19:22:53 OSSO is Maemo Software now. Jul 08 19:23:40 aha Jul 08 19:24:13 well in any case it would be bad to use the same name for a changed package Jul 08 19:26:08 freenode is like a bucking bronco tonight Jul 08 19:26:25 Working fine here. Jul 08 19:28:23 heh GeneralAntilles, localised then, maybe some workmen are actually doing stuff here Jul 08 19:28:51 where is lcuk3 Jul 08 19:33:52 what a good prediction Jul 08 19:33:55 and lcuk4? ;) Jul 08 19:34:24 don't stretch it ;) Jul 08 19:36:42 What about lcuk^2? Jul 08 19:40:00 :D Jul 08 19:40:13 told you Jul 08 19:40:53 hmm, I can't find an installation file for AndroidScan Jul 08 19:41:05 hi lcukN Jul 08 19:41:35 lol hi Jul 08 19:41:48 s/lcukN/lcukN[0 probably better :) Jul 08 19:42:06 ~lart virgin Jul 08 19:42:07 * infobot flings poo at virgin Jul 08 19:42:36 heh, i forgot ntl is now virgin Jul 08 19:42:39 oooops, thats no way to get me laid Jul 08 19:42:49 lol Jul 08 19:42:56 ~lart the ISP formally known as NTL Jul 08 19:42:56 * infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on the ISP formally known as NTL Jul 08 19:43:31 naughty bot Jul 08 19:44:20 hey btw if you can use Qwest for phone/internet - do it! Jul 08 19:44:27 infobot, hellwolf will spank you Jul 08 19:44:42 qwerty12_N800: how far is android m5 on the tablets? Jul 08 19:44:44 I bet he has a module for that. Jul 08 19:44:48 ~spank hellwolf Jul 08 19:44:50 * infobot bends hellwolf over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on hellwolf's pasty white buttocks. Jul 08 19:45:00 What'd I say? :P Jul 08 19:45:23 jott, very far :). it will run, but slowly due to epson's shit. Jul 08 19:45:42 lol Jul 08 19:45:54 qwerty12_N800: it runs ok, when installed on ext2 Jul 08 19:46:21 it's pretty, but not much by way of apps Jul 08 19:46:36 I had hoped to try out AndroidScan Jul 08 19:47:37 which is supposed to be available somewhere but I've no idea where Jul 08 19:48:16 would the camera have worked anyway? Jul 08 19:49:07 No idea, but I thought I'd see what all the fuss was about before trying to roll my own Jul 08 19:50:22 those Android apps are cool, but most of the cool ones rely upon servers doing this and that to provide data Jul 08 19:50:37 the map related ones are good, but no reason we could have the same Jul 08 19:51:04 qwerty12_N800: any harm in leaving your latest Android kernel, or should I flash back? Jul 08 19:51:41 lardman, if you are using the one in the installer, be best to flash back Jul 08 19:51:59 nah, your one which was in the separate thread Jul 08 19:52:00 oh, sorry Jul 08 19:52:56 hmm, afaict no harm, but there's no point in keeping it on there if you aren't using android :) Jul 08 19:53:13 just saves me rebooting ;) Jul 08 19:53:32 * lcuk3 does the robot dance Jul 08 19:53:36 ah well, I'll reflash it Jul 08 19:53:42 (with increasing numerics) Jul 08 19:53:57 fiasco-flasher! Jul 08 19:54:09 * qwerty12_N800 short circuits lcuk3 Jul 08 19:54:09 :S Jul 08 19:54:29 Nokia, give us a camera on the back of the tablet, please Jul 08 19:54:33 lardman, it has same syntax as flasher :) Jul 08 19:54:34 no disassemble number 3 Jul 08 19:54:51 qwerty12_N800: I'll just use the deb which was in the original thread? Jul 08 19:55:09 hmm, yes, that could work too :p Jul 08 19:55:44 lardman, you could setup some kind of borg webcam doofer on your head Jul 08 19:56:08 sod that, I just want some cool apps Jul 08 19:56:17 agreed.. Jul 08 19:57:04 I like the services ideas these Android apps use, lots of cool backend services to provide useful data, etc Jul 08 19:57:21 * qwerty12_N800 just wants opengl. i don't give a shit about the speed, 2fps with soft rendering isn't fast. Jul 08 19:57:51 hmm, can the kernel be replaced while Linux is running? Jul 08 19:57:53 but backend servers implies online all the time. battery drainage. of course when online they work well Jul 08 19:57:56 apparently so Jul 08 19:58:11 lcuk3: well we can always cache data for an area Jul 08 19:58:23 im thinking of more than just maps Jul 08 19:58:30 I agree Jul 08 19:58:44 hopefully free wifi will dawn on the world eventually Jul 08 19:58:54 in the meantime I may have to get a data plan for my phone Jul 08 19:58:56 but thats not totally free, it drains battery Jul 08 19:59:06 until then, kismet + aircrack Jul 08 20:00:06 :) Jul 08 20:00:08 qwerty12_N800: ftw! Jul 08 20:00:19 yeah, well I can live with charging every day or so Jul 08 20:00:34 (though atm I only charge every fortnight or so) Jul 08 20:01:07 something like that anyway Jul 08 20:01:22 i charge every night, but battery doesnt move from when i goto bed to home after work Jul 08 20:01:47 come on people, write some cool apps: http://code.google.com/android/images/adc1r1_deck.pdf ;) Jul 08 20:01:48 :) shall even solve that problem soon enough as well Jul 08 20:02:08 android uses x11 and has xv available doesnt it? ;) Jul 08 20:02:20 btw lardman is your nick unregistered or am i on ignore? Jul 08 20:02:40 lcuk3, no, direct access to framebuffa Jul 08 20:02:46 ah no, I'm just crap, hang on a tick Jul 08 20:03:03 qwerty12_N800, direct access to every single framebuffer on compatible phones? Jul 08 20:03:37 you would have thought some kind of slight abstraction would take place, maybe by making different framebuffers into some sort of library format ;) Jul 08 20:03:44 no idea, but it doesn't use x11 for sure (atm anyway, no idea if it ever will) Jul 08 20:04:37 fair enough, so you will never run anything none android on the android kernel without serious undertakings Jul 08 20:32:46 why is the zoom so slow ? how does the iphone/ipod touch do? Jul 08 20:33:05 gourdin: 3d acceleration Jul 08 20:33:31 (or the lack of) Jul 08 20:33:38 n8x0 got nothing ? Jul 08 20:33:51 just no drivers.. Jul 08 20:33:56 we got something we cant use. Jul 08 20:34:01 Zoom isn't all that fast on the iTouch, either. Jul 08 20:34:08 hu ?? Jul 08 20:34:19 as a bonus we have a crappy lcd controller. Jul 08 20:34:21 and ofcourse the iphone has a much lower resolution Jul 08 20:34:27 Though zoom is pretty cool on the itouch Jul 08 20:34:27 we got something we can't use ??? Jul 08 20:34:33 why is that ? Jul 08 20:34:38 gourdin: ask nokia Jul 08 20:35:00 they don't give the driver ? Jul 08 20:35:02 It just SEEMS fast because it roughs the render before actually redrawing everything completely. Jul 08 20:35:06 gourdin, the drivers suck. Jul 08 20:35:10 Crashy drivers Jul 08 20:35:41 oh Jul 08 20:36:01 nokia working on this for sure (?) Jul 08 20:36:18 that's weird Jul 08 20:36:31 GeneralAntilles: where I can see the crashy drivers Jul 08 20:36:47 Call up Nokia and ask them to give you a copy. Jul 08 20:37:01 this is a joke I suppose Jul 08 20:37:18 there aren't even crash drivers, unfortunately Jul 08 20:37:20 In order for Nokia to distribute the drivers, they have to buy licenses for each device shipped. Jul 08 20:37:26 The drivers suck ass Jul 08 20:37:33 the powervr on the n8*0 is a joke too. Jul 08 20:37:34 so they decided not to buy licenses for crappy drivers. Jul 08 20:37:37 GeneralAntilles: erm where did you get that info? Jul 08 20:37:47 hmm Jul 08 20:37:48 jott, that's the word from LinuxTag Jul 08 20:37:55 not really... Jul 08 20:38:05 hey, i give lot of money for this device Jul 08 20:38:15 Mmm, not so sure on that GeneralAntilles Jul 08 20:38:16 gourdin, and you didn't pay for any 3d hardware. Jul 08 20:38:30 ho, you think Jul 08 20:38:38 I don't think that the drivers are that sucky Jul 08 20:38:40 Did it say "OpenGL support" on the box? Jul 08 20:38:46 JamieBennett, have you tried them? Jul 08 20:38:46 no Jul 08 20:38:51 Then you didn't pay for them. Jul 08 20:38:54 it says a lot of thing Jul 08 20:38:54 it said omap in the specs ;) Jul 08 20:39:00 crappy drivers or not, i'd still like to see them. cant be worse then 2fps soft rendering. Jul 08 20:39:13 Sure, I would, too. Jul 08 20:39:13 qwerty12: actually it can Jul 08 20:39:28 if it crashes and burn your flash out ;) Jul 08 20:39:39 omg Jul 08 20:39:49 this is a bad experience Jul 08 20:39:58 Sell it and get an iPhone Jul 08 20:40:02 I'm really bored with the moaning. Jul 08 20:40:06 yep Jul 08 20:40:09 who says this device is slow? Jul 08 20:40:20 zap, meh, flash is gonna get burned out anyway. Jul 08 20:40:21 * lcuk doesnt think it is Jul 08 20:40:31 lcuk: "slow" is relative ... Jul 08 20:40:36 The platform will never been open as long as the hardware vendors have a Draconian attitude to intellectual properties. We have a great Linux platform that you can put in your pocket, why the fuss? Jul 08 20:40:42 qwerty12: actually yes, I wonder how many weeks it will resist my attacks Jul 08 20:40:59 * qwerty12 thinks it's decent for what it's marked for Jul 08 20:41:04 GeneralAntilles: you are bored, i was abused Jul 08 20:41:08 (speed wise) Jul 08 20:41:22 gourdin, take it up with your local consumer protection body. Jul 08 20:41:24 jott, agreed - normal maemo out of the box experience was shocking, but i know it can be improved Jul 08 20:41:35 how much and for how long is as you say relative Jul 08 20:41:46 GeneralAntilles: that's the last thing i want to do Jul 08 20:41:51 actually I haven't seen anybody who wouldn't want to get more than he paid for Jul 08 20:41:54 mind you, im doing what i want on the device no matter what Jul 08 20:42:00 first, i try tech support Jul 08 20:42:06 Yeah, this isn't tech support. Jul 08 20:42:08 lcuk: that's the attitude ;) Jul 08 20:42:46 lcuk, is cloning one of them? :p Jul 08 20:42:47 :) yer jott the challenge for me is not the final product, but what i learn along the way (as long as it doesnt cause me to corrupt and reflash ;)) Jul 08 20:42:54 GeneralAntilles: Thats not the spirit :) Jul 08 20:43:09 JamieBennett, all he's done for the past month is moan and complain in here. Jul 08 20:43:14 I'm a little tired of it myself. ;) Jul 08 20:43:15 qwerty12, i would jump all over it if i had a spare device Jul 08 20:43:29 /ignore? Jul 08 20:43:47 A lot of people complain because they don't understand the platform, maybe more education is needed for potential buyers? Jul 08 20:44:02 JamieBennett, believe me, I've tried. Jul 08 20:44:04 lcuk, i messed up my first clone but i kept trying and i got it to work :). i didn't know nothing about linux then :) Jul 08 20:44:41 yer qwerty, but now i use this as a tool, its not a toy that i can just reflash and go mehhh on Jul 08 20:44:48 i just want to save self hassle Jul 08 20:45:22 GeneralAntilles: then it's a catch 22 situation. We want more users so Nokia take it seriously as a platform but unfortunately the majority of the population is not tech savvy :( Jul 08 20:45:26 lcuk, get you work partition set up on the card, then you can reflash the internal flash as often as you like. ;) Jul 08 20:45:26 lcuk: if you would switch to full framebuffer based drawing you could run your liqbase from initfs ;) Jul 08 20:45:48 JamieBennett, the audience has changed. iphone *did* do something remarkable and gave a very flashy ui. without that this device can crawl at times Jul 08 20:46:35 lcuk: The iphone changed the playing field. I don't see why a Linux based device can't either Jul 08 20:46:36 jott i considered that, but using xv library has been a blessing really Jul 08 20:46:48 JamieBennett, i agree. have you seen liqbase Jul 08 20:46:58 this device *can* work very fast Jul 08 20:47:01 not just a flashy uim Jul 08 20:47:03 atleast the iphone finally made the vendors consider using gl/composition in theier uis.. :) Jul 08 20:47:05 ui Jul 08 20:47:19 OMAP3 is where we should be looking Jul 08 20:47:23 iphone do less things , but it just work Jul 08 20:47:28 future i 100% agree gen Jul 08 20:47:32 yeah omap3 hopefully with drivers .. Jul 08 20:47:37 gourdin, Mobile Safari crashes all the time. Jul 08 20:47:37 as every apple product Jul 08 20:47:41 though hildon will not take advantage of them.. Jul 08 20:47:48 gourdin, do you _use_ Apple products? Jul 08 20:48:02 GeneralAntilles: yep Jul 08 20:48:09 it just work Jul 08 20:48:13 simple Jul 08 20:48:13 Lies Jul 08 20:48:13 iphone uses lower resolution - the framebuffer in this device can display images that fast Jul 08 20:48:18 at same resolution Jul 08 20:48:46 My primary machine is a G5, and I've been using Apple stuff for the past 15 years. No, Apple doesn't doesn't always "just work". Jul 08 20:48:54 omap3 today, opmap4 tomorrow e.t.c, unfortunately apple (and I pretty much despise apple as a company) have a great handle on what the consumer is expecting from a UI point of view Jul 08 20:48:57 of course safary crash sometime, but the overall user experience is nice Jul 08 20:48:59 has anyone ever tried editing x-server.defs to start in lower res? :p Jul 08 20:49:09 qwerty12, :) Jul 08 20:49:29 (hardware besides) Jul 08 20:49:38 JamieBennett: i agree Jul 08 20:49:44 640*480 changes maximum framerate from 25fps to 33fps. there is a marked improvement and bandwidth/cpu boost available for other things Jul 08 20:49:59 lcuk, i'll remind myself to do it ; next time i'm due a reflash :) Jul 08 20:50:21 cool, you need something which can take notes quickly to help remember ;) Jul 08 20:51:14 you should make a deb with an desktop file in it :) Jul 08 20:51:25 n8x0 is a pretty nice piece, but at alpha stage Jul 08 20:51:34 yer looks like im heading that way Jul 08 20:51:42 (my opinion) Jul 08 20:52:02 gourdin, :) for me as a developer. its perfect. like buying a fixer upper house Jul 08 20:52:17 lcuk: looking at your utube video on liqbase. Any more information? Jul 08 20:52:21 I wouldnt call that alpha stage Jul 08 20:52:30 Alpha by Google's definition, maybe. Jul 08 20:52:40 yes JamieBennett follow the link on youtube info, theres now discussion on itt and source is in the garage Jul 08 20:52:44 lcuk: Not everyone is good at DIY and I think that is the point Jul 08 20:52:45 what's google definition Jul 08 20:53:09 for example Jul 08 20:53:10 totally agree JamieBennett Jul 08 20:53:18 open youtube with this thing Jul 08 20:53:27 slow Jul 08 20:53:27 gourdin, yes i wouldnt expect my mum to be happy to have one Jul 08 20:53:37 lcuk: exact Jul 08 20:53:51 'users' can't use it Jul 08 20:53:54 Eh, my sister's happy with hers Jul 08 20:53:56 I don't buy that Jul 08 20:54:02 ?? Jul 08 20:54:03 GeneralAntilles, are you my uncle? Jul 08 20:54:05 :) Jul 08 20:54:06 sorry to drag the tone down but........if I create an Action and use a sigc::mem_fun(*myobj....) is *myobj evaluated at action-event time or embedded in a table somewhere? (myobj changes from time-to-time as I reload data - do I need to recreate or indirect my actions?) Jul 08 20:54:08 She certainly doesn't have a lot of technical acumen. Jul 08 20:54:19 There's plenty of "users" on itT happy with their devices. Jul 08 20:54:37 GeneralAntilles: how goes maemo? Jul 08 20:54:48 lbt, the object is destroyed and recreated, or just data within changes? Jul 08 20:54:58 destroyed Jul 08 20:55:25 then i would expect anything hanging onto it to be invalidated (and changes are your destroy wont run until everything released anyway) Jul 08 20:55:37 timelyx, I did most of the work on the wiki page of the day . . . again. <_< Jul 08 20:55:38 and chances are ^ Jul 08 20:56:02 GeneralAntilles, im gonna mail you a beer from the summit Jul 08 20:56:15 you have been amazing as usual :) Jul 08 20:56:27 Find some people interested in helping improve a wiki instead. :P Jul 08 20:56:49 lol, but noone understands the strange wiki language unlike you Jul 08 20:56:49 I worry that the eeepc crowd now know about Linux (which is great) but expect a noddy type interface which only something like canola provides for the IT's. Lots of potential that could be tapped. The other thing is that Nokia is going through a transition stage with QT which despite what anyone says is going to be a big disruption to not only developers. Jul 08 20:57:05 lcuk: you not going to the summit? Jul 08 20:57:10 thanks lcuk :) Jul 08 20:57:31 * lbt wanders off and makes a note to hit the wiki again soon Jul 08 20:57:37 :) lol Jul 08 20:57:46 Fun fact, mailing a beer to me in the states is a felony. :D Jul 08 20:57:48 JamieBennett, yes i have been accepted and should have some nice things to show and tell Jul 08 20:58:01 Cool, see you there! Jul 08 20:58:11 yer - its gonna be good Jul 08 20:58:26 * lcuk hopes he remembers his pe kit Jul 08 20:58:43 GeneralAntilles, But it was for medicinal purposes! Jul 08 20:58:50 Ha Jul 08 20:58:55 That only applies to marijuana Jul 08 20:58:55 lol, I think its going to be a close n Jul 08 20:58:58 and not in FL. :P Jul 08 20:59:14 ... knit event and pretty fun Jul 08 20:59:32 well, it is a NIT event Jul 08 21:00:09 lcuk: at least it's in the c-base so you can grab a beer before your talk ;) Jul 08 21:00:21 heh jott, i need one after last time Jul 08 21:00:31 * lcuk facepalms Jul 08 21:00:56 timelyx, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3414 is mildly interesting if you haven't already picked up on it. Jul 08 21:01:39 right, vanishing again. theres codin' to be done Jul 08 21:01:42 I still can't get over that suggested fix. Jul 08 21:02:03 Yeah, interesting approach. . . . Jul 08 21:02:11 (fix in the loosest sense of the word) Jul 08 21:05:27 love the bug title ;) Jul 08 21:05:33 I like how mc shortens down folder names. ~/.background-cache becomes /.back-ache (which isn't far from the truth actually :( ) Jul 08 21:05:59 JamieBennett, thanks. ;) Jul 08 21:06:49 I'd be scared if my tablet could walk :/ Jul 08 21:07:51 * Jaffa finally watches "Blue Harvest" Jul 08 21:08:10 jaffa: thanks for the email :) Jul 08 21:08:47 no probs. travel sorted too now; arriving Berlin at about 20:10 Jul 08 21:10:46 Trying to get the whole week in Berlin sponsored by my company as its relevant to what I do but its a bit of a struggle. If not I'll be there for the summit only unless Nokia have a deal with OSim for use to attend that too. Jul 08 21:11:30 s/use/us Jul 08 21:12:07 fairy snuff Jul 08 21:12:18 hi all Jul 08 21:12:44 or furry muff as we apparently say down here (I'm a Northerner lost down South) Jul 08 21:13:08 ditto Jul 08 21:13:13 yay, i'm not the only one :p Jul 08 21:13:35 Although, Rugby's not that far south - I only have to suffer work in London Jul 08 21:13:40 (yorkshire man in london) Jul 08 21:13:46 So where is the UK contingent from here? Jul 08 21:14:05 Macclesfield (nr. Manchester Jul 08 21:14:25 qwerty an fellow Yorkshire man, I''m a Bradford lad 'born and bred' Jul 08 21:15:20 hey, i'm from Halifax, born there but got moved to London at 2 years of age >.< Jul 08 21:15:34 :D Jul 08 21:16:00 still got a very slight Yorkshire accent though :D Jul 08 21:17:08 I moved to Bath some 8 years ago. When I travel back to see friends and family I'm regarded as 'the posh one' :D Jul 08 21:17:43 Lol :D Jul 08 21:18:47 My wife is from Bath and when I first took her to Bradford she always used to wisper in my ear "what did her/she just say?" Jul 08 21:19:00 s/wisper/whisper Jul 08 21:19:25 my typing is terrible tonight! Jul 08 21:20:10 Haha, come on, our accent isn't that bad! :p Jul 08 21:20:38 I swear, it was like taking the mrs to another country and trying to translate for her! Jul 08 21:21:04 I'm glad I wasn't Scottish! ;) Jul 08 21:21:21 :) Jul 08 21:21:53 Haha, my Scottish Science teacher gets laughed at when shouting at people :p Jul 08 21:22:10 Gets him more annoyed, heh Jul 08 21:22:20 :D Jul 08 21:22:57 * Jaffa sleeps Jul 08 21:23:13 * JamieBennett Thinks about sleep too Jul 08 21:34:45 Is the source code of the bootloader of N800( called FIASCO?) available? Jul 08 21:35:04 no Jul 08 21:36:23 Bootloader is NOLO Jul 08 21:38:22 Well, I got the idea of how the kernel get the mtd partition information, as I dug into the code, it's passed by the bootloader as special tags(boot parameter for arm linux). So I wonder how could I change the bootloader behavior if I want to change partition layout. Jul 08 21:40:20 GeneralAntilles, thanks, so what does FIASCO mean? With ./flasher-3.0, I got something like : --fiasco, -F Location of a FIASCO image Jul 08 21:40:45 hi can the n800 run crond? Jul 08 21:47:32 anyone here? Jul 08 21:48:19 no Jul 08 21:48:22 not now and not ever Jul 08 21:51:53 JZA, yes, it can. do you have scratchbox to build packages? Jul 08 21:52:18 johnx: no, I thought that there was some technical reason why there was no crond on iit Jul 08 21:52:39 orr at or any tiime-aware app, by chikoroot they had alarmd so I guess they fix something Jul 08 21:53:34 so I guess the answer is nobody has done it yet Jul 08 21:53:40 johnx: second question Jul 08 21:53:47 would diablo run on n770? Jul 08 21:55:02 <||cw> JZA: is there an ARM port? Jul 08 21:55:33 ||cw: I see, so the reason is because they are different processors... see I didn't know that Jul 08 21:55:38 i thought n800 used the ARM too Jul 08 21:56:00 the hw is different, if not the processor Jul 08 21:56:03 JZA, I've compiled cron before...I can send you a package if you trust me :) Jul 08 21:56:06 and the 770 is slower Jul 08 21:56:16 but it apparently tends to hurt battery life Jul 08 21:56:28 waking up the CPU all the time just to check whether it should be run Jul 08 21:56:34 <||cw> oh, if it runs in the 800, it will just need recompiled, it is a different ABI, but it's all still ARM Jul 08 21:56:36 lardman so changing to diablo is not recomendable? Jul 08 21:56:49 ||cw, it's the same ABI as long as it's EABI Jul 08 21:56:51 ||cw: oh ok. Jul 08 21:57:03 JZA: is it possible? Is there a "hackers' edition" for the 770? Jul 08 21:57:07 johnx: E stand for estatic? Jul 08 21:57:31 lardman: there certainly was Jul 08 21:57:44 <||cw> doesn't maemo have an alarm api in the platform where the firmware itself does the event? Jul 08 21:57:49 JZA: for chinook yes, not sure there's a Diablo version yet though Jul 08 21:58:08 lardman I see Jul 08 21:58:13 JZA, I don't actually remember what it stands for, but google for ARM EABI for info Jul 08 21:58:26 ||cw: the firmware isn't that bright, it will be the kernel that does it Jul 08 21:58:34 ||cw: and the omap doesn't have a very long timer iirc Jul 08 22:00:27 well thanks for theinfo, I now know more about whats up Jul 08 22:00:39 JZA: I think it should be possible to use Debian crond for armel architecture Jul 08 22:01:00 lardman, i thought it was endianness Jul 08 22:01:26 zap, it is possible. I used mud-builder to compile cron with only a tiny change to the source package Jul 08 22:01:30 lcuk: what is? Jul 08 22:01:48 EABI? Jul 08 22:02:01 johnx: I was meaning to use the binary packages, without recompile Jul 08 22:02:05 That's the calling structure, which registers are used for which args, etc Jul 08 22:02:06 yer Jul 08 22:02:33 http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort Jul 08 22:02:41 i just took it that this device used it and it was incompatible with compilations for ARM because of endian issues Jul 08 22:02:48 * lcuk shouldnt make assumptions Jul 08 22:03:02 no, all ARM devices that I know of use littleendian Jul 08 22:03:26 which isn't many, but the Zaurus and ITs at least Jul 08 22:03:27 ty for clarifcation. i feel silly now Jul 08 22:03:35 np Jul 08 22:03:48 don't worry, I feel silly a lot of the time too :) Jul 08 22:04:18 shame i cant have a sig in here Jul 08 22:04:29 lardman: ARM PocketPCs all are little-endian Jul 08 22:04:32 my slash one is bang on Jul 08 22:04:44 zap, actually there was a packaging issue. Debian postinst relies on some grep feature I believe that isn't present in busybox grep or something similar. Jul 08 22:04:54 lardman: I believe that's because windoz is a little-endian OS Jul 08 22:04:56 zap: great, my all encompassing statement was nearly true :) Jul 08 22:05:22 some routers and networked hard drives running linux are big-endian Jul 08 22:05:31 the NSLU2 comes to mind, IIRC Jul 08 22:05:37 most things are little endian aren't they (even if they can be either like the ARMs), probably familiarity Jul 08 22:05:38 but it might be switchable (?) Jul 08 22:05:47 johnx: is that ARM? Jul 08 22:05:53 yes Jul 08 22:05:54 johnx: yep, the limitations of busybox tools always disappointed me Jul 08 22:06:08 hmm, interesting, I wonder why they chose bigendian? Jul 08 22:06:13 zap, in this case a trivial modification solves the problem Jul 08 22:06:23 Asus WL-XXX wifi routers are little-endian ARM as well Jul 08 22:06:26 oops, MIPS Jul 08 22:06:29 busybox is limited but it's also really small Jul 08 22:07:04 johnx: I understand the reasons why Nokia used it, but I would like to have at least the option to replace it with coreutils :) Jul 08 22:07:21 yeah, not being replaceable is a pain Jul 08 22:07:25 on the other hand, such developers will start producing incompatible packages Jul 08 22:07:32 especially since angstrom solved that problem long ago Jul 08 22:07:41 indeed Jul 08 22:08:19 How do I produce one of those banners in the GUI? Jul 08 22:08:24 and you are right, at least on PXA endianess is switchable in software, IIRC Jul 08 22:08:27 is the nokia linux experience on par with the zaurus devices? speed wise and capabilities - or are nokia still lagging, or at least not advanced as much as expected? Jul 08 22:08:34 zap: at boot time though Jul 08 22:08:38 lardman: which exactly Jul 08 22:08:52 the ones which come up and say "searching..." and the like Jul 08 22:09:12 tooltips, ugh Jul 08 22:09:30 lcuk, the zaurus was a different beast for a lot of reasons. Sharp didn't really maintain and update the OS they shipped, so the community contributed a couple competing distributions Jul 08 22:09:48 Any German speakers want to give me a rundown on what's covered here? http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=3406386 Jul 08 22:10:11 gen, is that the quim interview Jul 08 22:10:15 Yeah Jul 08 22:10:21 very brief overview on itt http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21717 Jul 08 22:10:23 lardman sorry back, well back in the N770 days, we used to use the slackarm repos to install stuff Jul 08 22:10:29 johnx: also Sharp 'forgot' to provide the source code for a couple of important drivers, which stuck most usable distributions to 2.4.18 & 2.4.20 kernels Jul 08 22:10:35 Yeah, I'd like another source other than benny. Jul 08 22:10:44 yer, just helping others out as well Jul 08 22:10:54 lardman I wonder why we lost NFS when we change from N770 to N800 also Xvnc (vncserver) Jul 08 22:10:56 Right, thanks. ;) Jul 08 22:10:58 JZA: yep, the ABI has changed, you could use OE + bitbake now if you wanted Jul 08 22:11:05 "N770"? Jul 08 22:11:18 JZA: developers drifted away probably Jul 08 22:11:29 GeneralAntilles: be gentle Jul 08 22:11:34 how we lost NFS? Jul 08 22:12:06 zap well we used to have an nfs-server and now we don't Jul 08 22:12:08 (if NFS is network file system, not need for speed, that is) Jul 08 22:12:14 hmm Jul 08 22:12:20 do we really need it? Jul 08 22:12:26 anyways, headed to sleep Jul 08 22:12:27 * zap is happy with nfs client on n8xx Jul 08 22:12:27 speed? hell yeah Jul 08 22:12:29 'night all Jul 08 22:12:33 night johnx Jul 08 22:12:36 zap of course, I love to stream my media from the server Jul 08 22:12:37 night johnx Jul 08 22:12:46 zap nfs was IT without latency Jul 08 22:12:54 JZA: do you need NFS server for that? Jul 08 22:12:55 zap: no not tooltips, the messages on maemo Jul 08 22:13:08 GeneralAntilles, Nokia Internet Tablets might soon use Qt said Quim Gil from Nokia to WebStandard, when talking about future possibilities and possibly a community opening Jul 08 22:13:10 zap I do if i dont want latency Jul 08 22:13:16 GeneralAntilles, my german is rusty, at best Jul 08 22:13:19 performance was much better Jul 08 22:13:22 lardman: I had the impression those are tooltip objects, just anchored to statusbar Jul 08 22:13:54 zap much better than http or samba, I think because the buffer Jul 08 22:13:54 JZA: still, I don't see how you would use NFS server on N8xx to *read* data from your server Jul 08 22:13:56 zap: oh, they might be, I'll do a search (I just want some easy debugging output) Jul 08 22:14:14 lardman: use printf, man :) Jul 08 22:14:39 zap I mount the server folder and execute the video from the n800 and have all my movies straight away... I migrate to mediaserv now but still I dont want to download it to the n800 I just want it to play Jul 08 22:14:40 If I have to do GUI, I want GUI debugging output! ;) Jul 08 22:15:10 JZA: so you actually want the NFS client, not server? Jul 08 22:15:34 HildonBanner Jul 08 22:16:30 zap sure of course I could sync my folders through nfs but really I can do that with rsync Jul 08 22:16:42 * zap is lost Jul 08 22:17:00 what has syncing to do with listening to your media over network? Jul 08 22:17:07 zap of course I didnt needed the nfs server Jul 08 22:17:20 ok then, what stops you from using nfs client today? Jul 08 22:17:25 could you please use some kind of punctuation after the nickname of the person you're talking to ? Jul 08 22:17:39 zap not sure there are packages, or kernel module support Jul 08 22:17:40 GeneralAntilles: the post of benny is quite accurate wrt to the article.. Jul 08 22:18:01 zap before there were packages and kernel builds with native nfs support Jul 08 22:18:07 basically it's "all not certain" at the moment ;) Jul 08 22:18:11 * zap checks Jul 08 22:18:19 JZA, and yes, that was directly aimed at you Jul 08 22:18:58 huh Jul 08 22:19:15 well now I am on the n800 and I found the rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules Jul 08 22:19:17 interesting Jul 08 22:19:20 JZA: indeed, NFS is not built into the kernel Jul 08 22:19:27 aha Jul 08 22:19:48 somebody compiled them already Jul 08 22:19:58 I just thought it shouldn't be too hard to do it Jul 08 22:21:30 * zap finally got his hands on osso-xterm Jul 08 22:22:06 zap: actually is a pile of dependency, libwrap0, portmap, and nfs-common Jul 08 22:22:42 I hope it just works Jul 08 22:23:08 hmm, worrying that: maemo-barcode.c:46:21: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory Jul 08 22:23:38 lardman: $(pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags) Jul 08 22:23:46 as gcc option Jul 08 22:23:52 I also wanted that maemo app Xournal Jul 08 22:23:55 add a --libs fwiw Jul 08 22:23:57 yeah, just trying to work out why my Makefile hasn't managed that Jul 08 22:23:59 maemo-barcode? Is there a bar code reading app for maemo? Jul 08 22:24:01 but couldn't get a package for chinook Jul 08 22:24:12 zap: one day Jul 08 22:24:20 JZA: xournal is available Jul 08 22:24:32 zap: I can;t remember why I couldnt find it on my repo Jul 08 22:24:36 i did an update I think Jul 08 22:24:41 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/x/xournal/xournal_0.4.2.1-1chinook4_armel.deb Jul 08 22:24:48 you have got libgtk2.0-dev installed? Jul 08 22:26:12 zap umm that didnt work :p Jul 08 22:26:17 hope so, this is scratchbox Jul 08 22:26:18 I guess the problem was a different one Jul 08 22:26:32 JZA: you just have to set up maemo extras properly Jul 08 22:27:34 jott: so you reckon to add --libs? Jul 08 22:27:55 pkg-config --cflags hildon-libs => Package hildon-libs was not found in the pkg-config search path. Jul 08 22:28:01 lardman: --libs is for linking but if you do all in one pass add the --libs Jul 08 22:28:12 hildon-1 Jul 08 22:28:33 I'm wondering why pkg-config doesn't work Jul 08 22:29:06 lardman: what does not work? check /usr/lib/pkgconfig/*.pc for what it supports.. Jul 08 22:29:24 lcuk: writes xml to file, reads xml.... getting there :) Jul 08 22:29:35 :) brutal! Jul 08 22:29:40 anyway - night all - maybe wiki tomorrow.... Jul 08 22:29:46 gnite lbt Jul 08 22:29:56 jott: thanks, wrong names in the tutorial then Jul 08 22:30:56 how to launch a gui app from scratchbox? Launched xephyr, dbus-daemon, now what? Jul 08 22:31:17 jott, for future reference for me, pkg-config is the default goto guy for most "standard" library usage then? Jul 08 22:31:48 lcuk: it gives cflags required for each library Jul 08 22:31:53 lcuk: in a nutshell yes, though this is usually handled by the buildsystem Jul 08 22:32:13 i.e. cmake/autotools abstract this Jul 08 22:32:41 yes, thanks, when i grow into a full system that will be more useful Jul 08 22:32:46 zap: run-standalone.sh appname Jul 08 22:32:51 aha Jul 08 22:33:10 zap: and af-sb-init.sh start Jul 08 22:33:15 to start the hildon desktop Jul 08 22:33:56 cool Jul 08 22:34:13 but the main menu contains strings like "home_ap_home_view" & such Jul 08 22:34:21 I guess it misses some localization files Jul 08 22:34:38 zap: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf Jul 08 22:34:49 you might want to check the manual :) Jul 08 22:34:50 thanks Jul 08 22:34:54 indeed :) Jul 08 22:39:22 by the way, wimax edition uses a different chip? Jul 08 22:39:30 or just different wifi firmware :) Jul 08 22:39:44 Er, it's an N810 with a WiMAX radio slapped on. Jul 08 22:42:11 is it rx48? Jul 08 22:42:18 Yes Jul 08 22:42:45 hmm, why there's no osso-software-version-rx48 in repositories then Jul 08 22:42:51 only 34 & 44 Jul 08 22:43:00 Because it hasn't been released yet. Jul 08 22:44:09 I thought it was release in April Jul 08 22:44:21 but it seems that was only the presentation Jul 08 22:44:24 Uh, no. Jul 08 22:45:19 hmm, I guess I should update my SDK, how do I tell my scratchbox version? Jul 08 22:45:50 Find a microphone and scream "WHAT IS MY SCRATCHBOX VERSION?!" into it. Jul 08 22:46:00 Tried that already Jul 08 22:46:19 the echo sounded like Apophis Jul 08 22:47:32 lardman: cat /etc/osso_software_version for infos on the sdk rootstrap Jul 08 22:48:12 jott: Thanks, I think I'll just download the whole shebang again, doesn't look like it'll do an inplace upgrade Jul 08 22:48:38 I tell a lie Jul 08 22:48:57 lardman, I completely removed scratchbox and the whole shazang Jul 08 22:49:02 lardman: yeah just setup a new target and fetch the rootstrap from the mameo site.. Jul 08 22:49:06 lardman, though, I did save my home dir Jul 08 22:49:31 I'll try in the inplace, now I've found the right section :) Jul 08 22:54:26 What means "public marketing release package"? Jul 08 22:55:47 damnit Jul 08 22:55:47 scratchbox shat itself Jul 08 22:55:58 ~ping Jul 08 22:55:59 pong Jul 08 22:56:00 Time to change its diaper? Jul 08 22:56:26 6nope. no diaper. it was naked Jul 08 22:57:02 * GeneralAntilles hands crashanddie a mop. Jul 08 22:57:19 ljp is right on that one Jul 08 23:00:33 my dns just runs in the garden, stupid thing never even wanted a decent meal, only eating the plants, and the neighbour's children Jul 08 23:00:55 and then shits on the rug Jul 08 23:01:33 well, I have to admit, when I'm updating its entries, the hygiene problem can be daunting Jul 08 23:01:48 but well, it's only bit-shit, so it doesn't smell all that bad Jul 08 23:18:30 ugh Jul 08 23:18:54 anybody knows in which packages I can find the translation messages for hildon-desktop? Jul 08 23:19:11 for some reason I see the untranslated "tana_fi_games" and alike Jul 08 23:19:11 night chaps Jul 08 23:19:21 \o Jul 08 23:19:30 He's a fast /quitter. Jul 08 23:19:48 its like when he goes afk in daytime Jul 08 23:20:39 the guy out of xkcd jumping about everywhere and having his hat nicked. thats how i see lardman in his life. bounding over the table whilst typing afk in midair Jul 08 23:21:58 heh Jul 08 23:22:42 When I think of GeneralAntilles, I see the journalist from Stalingrad Jul 08 23:24:13 i think of john wayne. Jul 08 23:24:20 John Wayne Jul 08 23:24:21 Ha Jul 08 23:24:27 n8x0 in gun holsters for the quickdraw Jul 08 23:24:43 The typical american cowboy stereotype. . . . Jul 08 23:24:44 I don't know how I picture lcuk Jul 08 23:25:09 Oh, I know Jul 08 23:25:19 When I think of lcuk I think of Reese in Torchwood Jul 08 23:25:43 .|.. go fuck yourself i aint no fat welsh git!!! Jul 08 23:25:50 hahahahaha Jul 08 23:25:50 Ahaha Jul 08 23:26:01 that wasn't meant as an insult Jul 08 23:26:01 that's just... How I represent ya Jul 08 23:26:13 haha Jul 08 23:26:32 No Jul 08 23:26:33 good job i havent said anything about you yet Jul 08 23:26:35 Not even Jul 08 23:26:40 but you read BOFH don't you Jul 08 23:27:35 if not, go read a load and tell me which ones you Jul 08 23:28:15 Thinking of it Jul 08 23:28:21 I think I'd rather see you as Carson Beckett Jul 08 23:29:09 no, its ok you've spoken your mind now Jul 08 23:29:12 I've always *loved* that character Jul 08 23:29:42 PFY ? Jul 08 23:29:46 :D Jul 08 23:29:47 That would be me, right ? :P Jul 08 23:30:56 for real ? That's how you picture me ? Jul 08 23:30:58 i only realised a couple of years ago that i wasnt the pfy anymore Jul 08 23:31:06 yes Jul 08 23:31:19 fuck you Jul 08 23:31:29 that's it, I'm canceling my tickets to berlin Jul 08 23:31:38 Haha Jul 08 23:31:40 Poor crashanddie. Jul 08 23:32:01 cool, more beef for everyone :D Jul 08 23:32:07 beer ffs Jul 08 23:32:17 * lcuk hits himself with a dictionary Jul 08 23:32:33 to bad you won't have a highly trained evangelist to help you out when assaulted by questions Jul 08 23:32:36 too** Jul 08 23:33:31 i think you will find the pfy isnt looked down on too badly :) afterall, hes managed to last this long Jul 08 23:34:56 Here I stand before you, Evangelist CrashandDie, from the Oeuvre Totaly Absolut Jul 08 23:35:02 * lcuk tells crashanddie's uni what the real reason for needing 5GB of storage on the server was for Jul 08 23:35:22 And now O kings, be ye wise. Be admonished, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He grow angry, and ye perish in the way for His wrath may quickly kindle. Jul 08 23:37:15 did we get some static? i see letters but none make sense Jul 08 23:37:17 lcuk, you'll find that I installed the servers at uni, and I have root access to anywhere I want :P Jul 08 23:37:42 exactly my point :P Jul 08 23:38:11 And it was not 5GB, but a 128Gb usb dongle that serves as backup Jul 08 23:39:03 cool Jul 08 23:39:04 as a retired BOfH, i'm going to have to go with lcuk's call Jul 08 23:39:30 Oh ouch Jul 08 23:40:24 lcuk, though, in the words of someone I deeply respect "I never would" Jul 08 23:40:30 on a different note, just got back from a shoot in Colorado and left the MacBook at home Jul 08 23:40:32 so when I say backup, it truly is backup Jul 08 23:40:50 n8x0 + N95 = total freedom Jul 08 23:41:00 ol_schoola, feels good eh Jul 08 23:41:11 OMG^3 Jul 08 23:41:52 Yeah... I know it kinda struck me too when I was on the go the first few times, just with my NIT, but still able to do everything I wanted/needed Jul 08 23:41:53 felt really bad checking the email while we pulled out of the Arkansas Rv for a smoke break Jul 08 23:42:43 Checking your emails on the NIT is like smoking... You do it everywhere you shouldn't, at the worst possible moments, and everytime you think "I shouldn't, but the hell with it" Jul 08 23:43:07 Ha Jul 08 23:43:14 ive never had a laptop to take out and about, and im only getting used to carrying this, but i can whip it out, play around, hack at source compile and be playing with altered version before the kettle has boiled Jul 08 23:43:47 there's only one thing that bothers me with the NIT Jul 08 23:43:54 the lack of a | on the keyboard Jul 08 23:44:12 remappable easily i believe Jul 08 23:44:15 yeah, it is Jul 08 23:44:17 but still Jul 08 23:44:19 tab is worse for me Jul 08 23:44:26 tab too Jul 08 23:44:29 tab is also easy remappable :) Jul 08 23:44:41 but tab and pipe, you'd think the guys at Nokia would think of those... Jul 08 23:44:57 khertan added a tab icon on left of pygtkeditor for this reason - when we were asking him he only had an 800 and didnt realise how important it would be Jul 08 23:45:03 crashanddie: the layout is for enduser Jul 08 23:45:14 ^ Jul 08 23:45:17 I mean... There's a YEN SIGN on the keyboard FFS ! I don't even have a YEN sign on my fullblown laptop keyboard Jul 08 23:45:17 i.e. hardware department are no linux guys ;) Jul 08 23:45:30 hadn't noticed as i don't use it to shell around or build (yet) Jul 08 23:45:32 The people who want to txt ther friends. Jul 08 23:45:51 but have gotten really attached to the folding BT mini-keyboard Jul 08 23:46:00 people needing a | are usually able to find out how to remap a keyboard layout Jul 08 23:46:02 no shell, but c code needs both (formatting and or) Jul 08 23:46:45 lcuk, shush, people are gonna yell and tell you "should've used python, HA" Jul 08 23:46:50 but wait, python needs tab too, no ? Jul 08 23:46:54 {} is even more important for c code ;) Jul 08 23:46:57 python NEEDS tabs more than me Jul 08 23:47:05 hmm Jul 08 23:47:10 * crashanddie stfu Jul 08 23:47:11 you could always use space to indent ;) Jul 08 23:47:13 the language works on indenting Jul 08 23:47:30 not really jott, it looks bad Jul 08 23:47:39 khertan solved it anyway, tab is in reasonable place Jul 08 23:47:49 where ? Jul 08 23:48:14 bottom left of screen, about where f1 is on a big keyboard in relation to the keys Jul 08 23:48:15 i got mine on fn+return Jul 08 23:48:33 and much more changes to make it usable ;) Jul 08 23:48:37 when im doing major work i use this keyboard or my apple bt which has both Jul 08 23:48:51 lcuk, you have an apple bt keyboard ? Jul 08 23:48:55 ye Jul 08 23:48:58 heh :) Jul 08 23:49:00 ah Jul 08 23:49:06 Which one ? Jul 08 23:49:08 small thin book sized one Jul 08 23:49:09 The sexy metal one ? Jul 08 23:49:22 yer, its lovely Jul 08 23:49:28 yeah, have that one too for the PS3 Jul 08 23:49:53 its got deceptively big keys and is easy to type on Jul 08 23:50:16 I gotta say, writing emails on a 42" screen in your couch is comfy as hell Jul 08 23:50:28 but not great for privacy :-° Jul 08 23:50:48 if you hold your n810 a few inches from the face you get the same effect (as long as you control the crosseyed ;)) Jul 08 23:51:00 nope Jul 08 23:51:06 n810 screen is 15:9 Jul 08 23:51:07 :D Jul 08 23:51:53 plus Jul 08 23:52:05 lcuk, you don't get 1920x1080 on the n810 :P Jul 08 23:52:42 i couldnt see that high resolution from across the room anyway Jul 08 23:52:59 * lcuk should upgrade his eyes to HD Jul 08 23:53:08 i wonder if this would work with the n800: http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/video/a29b/ Jul 08 23:53:35 "as long as it supports NTSC out" Jul 08 23:53:42 * GeneralAntilles loves the HD decoding screencaps from the Beagle. Jul 08 23:53:47 does it? Jul 08 23:53:48 i think someone mentioned a USB framebuffer Jul 08 23:53:51 no Jul 08 23:53:53 oh Jul 08 23:53:54 no tv out at all Jul 08 23:54:20 OMAP2420 has tv out Jul 08 23:54:23 It's just not hooked up Jul 08 23:54:29 Hopefully that'll change for the next device. . . . Jul 08 23:54:38 you could watch porn anywhere and nobody would know Jul 08 23:54:43 is that the nvidia one GeneralAntilles? Jul 08 23:54:47 No Jul 08 23:54:51 Nvidia sucks, lcuk. Jul 08 23:54:59 They have no Linux support. Jul 08 23:55:13 * lcuk lobs rocks at the hornets nest Jul 08 23:55:31 :D you get so defensive about that GeneralAntilles its wicked Jul 08 23:55:33 What ? My 7400 isn't supported under Linux? ZOMG Jul 08 23:55:38 I'm just going to get meaner each time you bring it up. ;) Jul 08 23:55:42 Er, for the Tegra Jul 08 23:55:48 They've said that they don't plan on Linux support. Jul 08 23:55:58 "Windows Mobile is the focus" Jul 08 23:56:55 Besides, it's a stinky ARM11 core Jul 08 23:56:58 Nothing impressive. Jul 08 23:57:25 im impressed :) you have done your homework at least. Jul 08 23:57:33 he doesn't do anything else Jul 08 23:57:36 Yes, I usually do. ;) Jul 08 23:58:17 ok GeneralAntilles, next gen: what should we expect (serious) im in a mood for thinking of the future Jul 08 23:58:33 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649 Jul 08 23:58:59 is that another range of dark blue boxes for us to stare at and dream of drivers? Jul 08 23:59:00 No more LCD bandwidth issues for a start. ;) Jul 08 23:59:44 Watch the Beagle stuff if you're interested in getting a glimpse at the kind of power we'll be working with. Jul 08 23:59:58 yer, agreed that beagle looks good Jul 09 00:00:00 Hint, the Beagle runs fine on 1024x768 Jul 09 00:00:18 was looking at linuxtag, very impressive desktop capable system Jul 09 00:00:55 i bet we will be able to connect straight into the box with a kvm type arrangement Jul 09 00:01:00 Both Beagle and Pandora are working towards OpenGL. Jul 09 00:01:19 and the OMAP3 docs are MUCH more open than the OMAP2 stuff. Jul 09 00:01:24 working towards? i would have thought it was sorted Jul 09 00:01:35 drivesr+opengl es+bumpy goodness Jul 09 00:01:38 Well, it's mostly licensing stuff at this point from what I gather. Jul 09 00:01:48 aint that the same now? Jul 09 00:01:56 Not really. Jul 09 00:01:58 that concerns me for the same reasons Jul 09 00:02:09 There are lots of people ACTIVELY working towards getting good Linux drivers for OMAP3 Jul 09 00:02:19 TI people Jul 09 00:02:24 Beagle is a TI project. Jul 09 00:02:35 yer, i bet i could digup info from before 800 Jul 09 00:02:46 saying same thing Jul 09 00:02:51 Not comparable Jul 09 00:03:03 OMAP2's Linux support is basically covered by the tablets and only the tablets. Jul 09 00:03:12 no Jul 09 00:03:20 montevista was first wasnt it Jul 09 00:03:30 Well, sure, but that doesn't ship on anything OMAP2 Jul 09 00:03:33 TI's targeting the Linux embedded space very heavily with OMAP3 Jul 09 00:03:35 yes it did Jul 09 00:03:57 The OMAP35xx stuff is pretty much ENTIRELY targeted at small-scale embedded Linux operations. Jul 09 00:04:00 yer, they did exactly the same thing with 2 Jul 09 00:04:14 There weren't any Pandoras or Beagles for OMAP2 Jul 09 00:04:28 Show me another OMAP2-based Linux device besides the tablets. ;) Jul 09 00:04:41 the price might have been higher but theres been dev boards for as long as there have been chips Jul 09 00:04:48 For something more concrete, compare the docs from TI for OMAP2 and OMAP3 Jul 09 00:04:54 Dev boards don't count. Jul 09 00:04:57 I'm talking real devices. Jul 09 00:05:44 arent most of the docomo 3g phones omap2 embedded Jul 09 00:05:45 Anyway, the hardware reasons for not shipping drivers have been removed, and the incentive has gone way up for Nokia. Jul 09 00:06:18 and they have been available in the east for a lot longer than over here Jul 09 00:06:40 2006: http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800445706_1800005_NT_3ec05cc2.HTM Jul 09 00:06:48 still the 3d core is not from ti :/ Jul 09 00:07:28 hm do the gl driver actually run on the beagle board now? :p Jul 09 00:07:45 jott, you were with us when we saw the beagles Jul 09 00:07:52 yeah Jul 09 00:07:55 they had a 3d screensaver thing when we arrived i think Jul 09 00:07:58 and they had no 3d driver .. Jul 09 00:08:01 no Jul 09 00:08:09 that was not a beagle board but the professional board ;) Jul 09 00:08:10 no... you are right Jul 09 00:08:19 it was a picture of a screenshot on a poster... Jul 09 00:08:23 * nomis defenitely saw 3d stuff on the beagleboard on Linuxtag. Jul 09 00:08:33 nomis: no Jul 09 00:08:36 that was not the beagle board Jul 09 00:08:46 though it was an omap3 board Jul 09 00:08:50 Anyway, even if we DON'T get drivers, the better CPU and controller make things a lot easier. Jul 09 00:08:53 still it's more a legal issue ;) Jul 09 00:08:56 jott, was it green or red? Jul 09 00:09:08 the beagle board? Jul 09 00:09:12 ok, it might have been the devel board. But didn't this run Linux as well? Jul 09 00:09:15 red afair not sure though Jul 09 00:09:15 GeneralAntilles, depends from where the traffic is coming Jul 09 00:09:19 Green == EVM, red == Beagle Jul 09 00:09:40 but the other was bigger and had an lcd attached ;) Jul 09 00:09:53 nomis, yes i would look forward to putting it on a big screen and do live dev in device but with my screen Jul 09 00:09:55 That'd be the EVM Jul 09 00:10:01 then instantly flip to the tablet and code Jul 09 00:10:25 hopefully we could convince them to put a wifi module on it.. Jul 09 00:10:26 that would be bitching Jul 09 00:10:34 haven't keep track of the development ;) Jul 09 00:10:43 Eh, I'm not too worried about it. Jul 09 00:10:46 It has plenty of USB. Jul 09 00:10:58 EVM: http://www.arm.com/community/product_images/3413.JPG Jul 09 00:11:14 usb is ugly, if i can get a dock and have it charging everything can go wireless Jul 09 00:11:19 yeah i guess this was it.. Jul 09 00:11:32 yeah.. Jul 09 00:11:52 Either way, there really isn't a whole lot of difference between that and the Beagle SoC wise. Jul 09 00:11:58 sure Jul 09 00:12:09 just legal wise, software stack wise, enduser wise ;) Jul 09 00:12:36 how much does something like that cost GA ? Jul 09 00:12:48 The EVM is 800-1200, I think Jul 09 00:12:53 Beagle will be $150 Jul 09 00:12:54 and is that touchscreen ? Jul 09 00:12:54 yeah about ~1000 Jul 09 00:12:57 yes Jul 09 00:13:05 and tech support ;) Jul 09 00:13:12 Beagle should open for orders in august. Jul 09 00:13:20 Yeah, the EVM is well a truly a dev board. Jul 09 00:13:24 developer level access to hardware technicians :) Jul 09 00:13:36 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3007576762.html Jul 09 00:13:37 Hehe Jul 09 00:13:47 qwerty12 and penguinbait made LinuxDevices Jul 09 00:13:51 heh Jul 09 00:14:10 qwerty will be so pleased Jul 09 00:14:18 "(Click for larger view of Nokia N810 (WiMAX version))" Jul 09 00:14:27 and all for an stoneage version of android :P Jul 09 00:14:33 * lcuk touched a wimax version :P Jul 09 00:14:40 its got a fat arse Jul 09 00:14:43 * GeneralAntilles facepalms at b-man making it in there. Jul 09 00:14:44 GeneralAntilles: will the August Beagle be rev. B or rev. C? Jul 09 00:14:59 I hadn't realized lots of whining was such an easy way to make the news. Jul 09 00:15:05 nomis, rev. b Jul 09 00:15:11 Rev. C will probably ship around November. Jul 09 00:15:59 ok, who signed me up to apple newsletters Jul 09 00:16:12 GeneralAntilles: ok. Jul 09 00:16:13 theres spam and theres offensive spam Jul 09 00:16:18 lcuk, sorry Jul 09 00:17:42 "However, porting Android is such a tedious process that Android developers have been looking for an installer to cut to the chase." haha ;) Jul 09 00:18:22 Anyway, good things are afoot for the embedded Linux space. Jul 09 00:18:34 indeed Jul 09 00:21:29 * GeneralAntilles is interested to see what lcuk might pull off with OpenGL. :P Jul 09 00:23:50 :) i have some ideas Jul 09 00:24:11 it shouldnt matter what i run most stuff in anyway Jul 09 00:24:49 i can already do 3d skeletons (stars are technically 3d) and rotations and transformations are quite easy ontop of the scaling that goes on Jul 09 00:25:53 Is your svn up on Garage yet? Jul 09 00:52:43 is there serial breakouts on the n770 or n810? Jul 09 00:53:08 Yes, there, under the battery cover Jul 09 00:53:12 and it's "770". ;) Jul 09 00:53:23 n = nokia Jul 09 00:53:33 so it's nokia nokia 810 ? Jul 09 00:53:35 nn810 :) Jul 09 00:53:39 nokia²810 Jul 09 00:53:55 is there pinouts some where for the serial? Jul 09 00:54:14 Try google Jul 09 00:54:14 all i get is way finder cracks for "serial n810" heh Jul 09 00:54:29 "jtag" Jul 09 00:54:51 that would be jtag... not serial Jul 09 00:55:10 Same thing on the tablets. Jul 09 00:55:22 eh how so Jul 09 00:55:41 the breakout has both serial and jtag? Jul 09 00:58:10 wow that was not indexed well at all Jul 09 00:58:11 http://bu3sch.de/n810.php Jul 09 00:58:18 just fyi if anyone else is interested Jul 09 01:03:12 can anyone enlighten me on how the kernel is booted on the n810? is there no bootloader? Jul 09 01:04:51 who pinged me like 6 hours ago prolly? >_> lol Jul 09 01:06:19 Me Jul 09 01:06:20 johnx Jul 09 01:06:29 <_< Jul 09 01:06:36 whyfore? Jul 09 01:06:39 Awesome. Jul 09 01:06:44 jott found the awesome Jul 09 01:06:48 lolz? Jul 09 01:06:50 * GeneralAntilles is trying to find the screenshot. Jul 09 01:07:24 http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3231/volrobcc1.png Jul 09 01:07:49 You need to get with him to join forces. ;) Jul 09 01:08:01 OMFGWTFBBQ Jul 09 01:08:08 * rm_you explodes Jul 09 01:08:12 jott: ping Jul 09 01:08:12 jott: ping Jul 09 01:08:12 jott: ping Jul 09 01:08:13 jott: ping Jul 09 01:08:13 jott: ping Jul 09 01:08:17 Ha Jul 09 01:08:22 I told him about the bounty. :P Jul 09 01:08:29 lol Jul 09 01:08:38 * rm_you gets out his paypal account Jul 09 01:08:53 He's also using dsme directly. Jul 09 01:09:14 As opposed to dsmetool Jul 09 01:09:23 he needs to submit patches NOW Jul 09 01:09:24 lol Jul 09 01:09:43 did that use my app's code as a base? Jul 09 01:09:47 Nah Jul 09 01:09:48 or did he just remake the whole damn thing? Jul 09 01:09:49 wow Jul 09 01:09:52 Built off the rotation plugin Jul 09 01:10:08 * rm_you gives up at life Jul 09 01:10:13 lol Jul 09 01:10:25 i've been replaced. good game, world. Jul 09 01:11:41 Let's see jott gets icons, and, uh, a prefs dialog? :P Jul 09 01:11:48 lol Jul 09 01:12:01 if he did that, it would prolly take him about 30 seconds to code up the prefs, lol Jul 09 01:13:35 Oh, and a website! :D Jul 09 01:15:07 jott: ping Jul 09 01:15:08 jott: ping Jul 09 01:15:08 jott: ping Jul 09 01:15:36 He was here an hour ago. . . . Jul 09 01:15:49 why didn't he just send you the patch!? Jul 09 01:15:52 or send me an email?! Jul 09 01:15:54 or something!? Jul 09 01:16:03 It's not a patch. Jul 09 01:16:08 right. Jul 09 01:16:10 He said he was cleaning up the code a bit. Jul 09 01:16:17 alright.... Jul 09 01:16:20 i guess i'll just wait Jul 09 01:17:59 rm_you, now you have plenty of time on your hands, do you fancy seeing about a pdf to image proof of concept? Jul 09 01:18:04 :P Jul 09 01:19:23 lol Jul 09 01:19:26 i guess >_< Jul 09 01:19:42 i was gonna last night but i got distracted by a quiz thing for stargate worlds beta keys :P Jul 09 01:20:10 <_> Jul 09 01:24:13 rm_you: hey :p Jul 09 01:34:05 rm_you, dont forget, you owe jott $20 :P Jul 09 01:35:25 yep Jul 09 01:35:32 * rm_you is currently in the paypal interface Jul 09 01:35:37 jott: applying now :P Jul 09 01:35:41 Haha Jul 09 01:35:42 jott: also... GRRRRR lol Jul 09 01:35:54 That's probably the first completed bounty on Garage. Jul 09 01:36:04 i noticed how you put those two lines directly above the commented out versions of the same thing (with a one word difference) >_> Jul 09 01:36:21 if i weren't so elated right now i would be annoyed :P Jul 09 01:37:06 :) jott, thank you for this. now he can finally move past it ;) Jul 09 01:37:39 jott: but wait... how does this let you put the volume/brightness slider widgets inside the menu?! Jul 09 01:37:45 err Jul 09 01:37:47 wait nm Jul 09 01:37:48 i'm dumb Jul 09 01:37:56 rm_you: it is technically not a menu but a window Jul 09 01:37:59 still thinking about this the wrong way Jul 09 01:38:01 yeah Jul 09 01:38:57 i'd be interested in seeing your DSME work too :P Jul 09 01:39:44 rm_you: yeah, will share soon enough ;) Jul 09 01:39:49 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/bt-plugin.c?root=maemo-bt-plugin&view=markup Jul 09 01:39:52 this gave some nice hints Jul 09 01:41:52 jott: what email address you use for paypal? :P Jul 09 01:42:56 jott: oh, and i need the other stuff you were talking about too, that makes it close properly Jul 09 01:43:08 when you click elsewhere Jul 09 01:44:37 yeah the trick is to use gdk_pointer_grab Jul 09 01:44:47 on a map-event Jul 09 01:45:20 and erm... might be better if we integrate your code into my code base ;P Jul 09 01:45:24 lol Jul 09 01:45:31 i ... actually may agree with you <_< Jul 09 01:45:52 tho it is probably better to remain a seperate applet <_< Jul 09 01:46:12 while volume/backlight sort of go together, i'm not sure rotation fits in there Jul 09 01:46:26 Eh, that's what preferences are for! Jul 09 01:46:27 rotation is only displayed if the xserver supports it Jul 09 01:46:29 but i think your codebase may have less problems Jul 09 01:46:32 ah Jul 09 01:46:36 well then Jul 09 01:46:54 i guess we should start working things out :P Jul 09 01:46:58 yeah Jul 09 01:48:38 is maemo mainly developed by nokia? Jul 09 01:48:46 Mainly Jul 09 01:49:29 There's a lot of contract developers Jul 09 01:49:38 like Igalia Jul 09 01:50:48 oh and according to the derstandard.at article most of the gtk work is now done by immendio Jul 09 02:30:57 gnite maemoppl Jul 09 02:31:23 gnite weirdo Jul 09 02:32:28 .|.. :P Jul 09 02:33:01 and a round from the right barrel ..|. :D Jul 09 02:43:57 .|.. -_- ..|. Jul 09 02:44:11 OH SHIT Jul 09 02:44:22 I have fists the size of my face Jul 09 02:44:31 i.e., a really small head? :P Jul 09 02:44:41 well Jul 09 02:44:50 it's not what's in it that's taking a whole lot of room Jul 09 02:44:58 so yeah, probably Jul 09 02:45:07 you got my voicemail, mofo ? Jul 09 02:45:59 umm, some has actual working a2dp now Jul 09 02:46:20 GeneralAntilles, btw, if it doesn't make sense, nevermind, cuz I couldn't remember what shit I was on about Jul 09 02:46:34 I still need to go to AT&T to get a new SIM card. Jul 09 02:46:34 I'm getting BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed... from mplayer Jul 09 02:54:49 GeneralAntilles: this is gonna be neat Jul 09 02:55:01 I'm on the edge of my seat. :D Jul 09 02:55:11 we're merging rotation into adv-backlight Jul 09 02:55:15 I can't wait when I hear the beat ! Jul 09 02:55:17 he solved a lot of problems Jul 09 02:55:21 awww rm_you you broke the rhyme Jul 09 02:56:07 hopefully also the volume crash Jul 09 02:56:14 since we'll be using his cleaner codebase Jul 09 02:56:15 Oh really? Jul 09 02:56:17 Sweet Jul 09 02:58:39 what could I do to make sure I have all the files still installed to use the RSS? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 09 02:59:56 2008