**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 09 02:59:56 2008 Jul 09 03:00:39 ok.. now it says open DSP device error = -1: falling back to SW method Jul 09 03:12:06 ou shit Jul 09 03:12:30 my tablet is booting up to something like 40%(that blue line) and restarts after that :( Jul 09 03:16:45 'night Maemo Jul 09 03:16:58 'night Weirdo Jul 09 03:17:46 ok, seems like I'll be flashing internet tablet right about now Jul 09 03:24:19 ffs now it's rebooting itself while loading Jul 09 04:29:35 has anyone installed zsh succesfully on an n8xx? Jul 09 04:52:28 yigal: No luck searching for any information on that. All I'm finding by searching Google are detail-less mentions -not- to install zsh. Pretty useless info : / Jul 09 04:53:23 I think I will just try, I like its built in math functions, and completion capabilities Jul 09 04:53:54 yigal: Yeah, it'll be worth it if it works (in my opinion.) Good luck : ) Jul 09 04:54:05 thank you Jul 09 05:01:40 just don't link it to sh Jul 09 05:02:05 greetings everyone Jul 09 05:02:52 hello Foxx Jul 09 05:03:10 hows it going? Jul 09 05:03:23 pretty good, little tired Jul 09 05:03:27 and you? Jul 09 05:03:38 meh, im not going to start complaining ;} Jul 09 05:03:48 ive recently aquired a nokia n800 Jul 09 05:03:56 not enough time, and too many things to play with Jul 09 05:04:25 ive been looking for a repo' that has kismet and BTScanner, and it seems all of them are offline, or otherwise gone Jul 09 05:04:49 look at gronmayer.com/it Jul 09 05:05:06 but kismet is hard to get working because Nokia's wireless tools seem to interfere with it Jul 09 05:05:32 i did, it seems the repo' changed path names, and when i navigate the directory structures, kismet just isnt there Jul 09 05:05:39 yeah, i heard there was issues with kismet Jul 09 05:05:48 to be honest, id be happy with a graphical version of RFMon Jul 09 05:06:17 i just wanted something to tell me 'Hey buck'o, there is wifi here' with a signal strength Jul 09 05:06:27 mainly for mapping wifi installs Jul 09 05:06:45 johnx: is that the only problem? Jul 09 05:07:16 im still new to the n800-, but it doesnt seem hard to pick up if you are in some way linux literate Jul 09 05:07:18 yigal, also, the driver seems a little flakey when capturing packets Jul 09 05:07:42 i dont need to capture packets, just detect wifi, on what channels, and see signal strengths Jul 09 05:09:09 i was hoping that someone may have a backup the the package? Jul 09 05:09:12 or a similar tool? Jul 09 05:09:36 BTScanner isnt that important to me, but the wifi detection is important Jul 09 05:10:04 i have to work with a lot of rouge wifi installs, hunt them down, and take them offline if possible Jul 09 05:10:15 then install them properly Jul 09 05:10:42 so maybe even something like netstumbler Jul 09 05:11:20 yeah, but lugging the laptop everywhere is a pain in the... well... lower back Jul 09 05:11:52 ive been really happy with the n800, rght out of the box with a few added packages Jul 09 05:12:08 and getting root access to it was really simple Jul 09 05:12:21 this thing is just dripping with potential ;} Jul 09 05:13:00 but im still doing my homework on what it can and cant do Jul 09 05:13:22 ah, for some reason I thought there was a version of netstumbler for linux Jul 09 05:13:25 nevermind Jul 09 05:13:30 not that i know of Jul 09 05:13:47 yeah, just me confusing myself Jul 09 05:13:55 it seems like kismet for the N series just dropped off the face of the internet Jul 09 05:14:03 and BTScanner Jul 09 05:14:14 my buddy had a n770 and had both running just fine Jul 09 05:14:16 well, it never worked properly, and I don't know much about bluetooth stuff Jul 09 05:14:31 well, bluetooth works on the same band as wifi Jul 09 05:14:43 so a saturation of wifi could cause issues with bluetooth devices, and vice versa Jul 09 05:15:05 heck, even a poorly designed 2.4ghz cordless phone can kill local wifi/bluetooth Jul 09 05:15:35 my microwave used to do it Jul 09 05:15:47 yah, that operates on the same band too Jul 09 05:15:54 and Wireless Security Cameras Jul 09 05:15:56 yigal, your microwave scares me Jul 09 05:16:04 johnx: it scares me also Jul 09 05:16:18 try not to stand in front of it while it cooks, ok Jul 09 05:16:18 :) Jul 09 05:16:40 i want to try and get HID devices working, mainly a USB gamepad Jul 09 05:16:42 I'll try my best Jul 09 05:16:56 Foxx, that shouldn't be too hard Jul 09 05:17:00 indeed Jul 09 05:17:11 im a hardware man, so making th einterface isnt a challenge Jul 09 05:17:21 im just still sinking my claws into whats possible Jul 09 05:17:35 id like to get some atari and NES emulation going Jul 09 05:18:18 i got an NES emulator, but I cant map the keys Jul 09 05:18:32 sorry if im flooding you with all this, im just really excited on the potential of this lil' buggar Jul 09 05:18:41 no problem Jul 09 05:18:46 it's quiet now anyways Jul 09 05:18:49 ive had to deal with my Windows mobile 5 and 6 PDAs Jul 09 05:18:52 arg! Jul 09 05:19:05 yeah, those were a pain Jul 09 05:19:08 were? Jul 09 05:19:10 ARE Jul 09 05:19:16 are for you Jul 09 05:19:19 were for me :P Jul 09 05:19:47 WM6 isnt as bad, but im on a Dell Axim X51v Jul 09 05:20:04 the OS is piss poor coded, and the AGP drivers are lacking, at best Jul 09 05:20:08 anyways, usb keyboards work out of the box, with a couple simple off the shelf connectors Jul 09 05:20:18 im aware Jul 09 05:20:22 i have the connectors in my lab Jul 09 05:20:26 is there anyone who has used ICd through libconic or other way? Jul 09 05:20:30 id like USB mass Storage working Jul 09 05:20:50 try with a powerd usb hub for that Jul 09 05:21:16 Foxx, just plug it in, anything that takes less than 100mA Jul 09 05:21:30 i plan on powering the device on its own supply Jul 09 05:21:49 im aware the n800 doesnt supply enough from the port Jul 09 05:22:16 does mass storage work out of the box, or do i have to install some dependancies? Jul 09 05:22:44 echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb*/mode Jul 09 05:22:45 IIRC Jul 09 05:23:05 there are a coupe GUI apps that will do that for you or you can just put it in your boot scripts or something Jul 09 05:23:41 any keywords i can search google for? Jul 09 05:23:53 "usb control" maemo Jul 09 05:23:55 if you have your usb keyboard working already, usb mass storage should just work Jul 09 05:24:02 usb statusbar applet usb otg Jul 09 05:24:08 if not, what should i install to get it working? Jul 09 05:24:29 you don't need anything Jul 09 05:24:31 those keywords johnx just typed should work to get the n800 in host mode Jul 09 05:24:32 thanks, ill put those keywords on my list to research Jul 09 05:24:34 just run that echo line and it will work Jul 09 05:25:16 lets see if my n800 has some battery life to it ;} Jul 09 05:25:30 i really appreciate the help fellas' Jul 09 05:27:04 sure :) Jul 09 05:27:42 i tried to run the echo host > line, its giving me an error Jul 09 05:28:11 sorry, let me look it up again Jul 09 05:28:15 no worries Jul 09 05:28:19 ill look up those keywords Jul 09 05:28:29 echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Jul 09 05:28:38 I thought echo would just expand the * Jul 09 05:28:39 no use in having you wipe my ass, i need to learn for myself Jul 09 05:29:00 eh, no problem. I'm just staring at my coffee anyways Jul 09 05:29:10 i dont mind getting my claws dirty Jul 09 05:29:12 kingston micro sd 2gig card on woot.com for $6 + $5 shipping Jul 09 05:29:21 google is my on-again off-again fuck buddy Jul 09 05:29:31 O_o Jul 09 05:30:20 great, now i get Permission Denied, and my battery died Jul 09 05:31:01 ill fiddle with it a bit later Jul 09 05:31:12 im mainly concerned about a wifi scanner application and btscanner Jul 09 05:31:29 i was hoping someone may have the package on drive or disc Jul 09 05:33:21 i saw images of the WiSPY working on the n770 Jul 09 05:33:45 that gave me the geek itch Jul 09 05:38:31 no, you get that from not changing your socks Jul 09 05:40:31 that explans the funky smell Jul 09 05:40:39 lol Jul 09 05:41:20 hows it going Proteous? Jul 09 05:45:36 my housekkFf Jul 09 05:45:58 I think he fell asleep on his keyboard O_o Jul 09 05:46:02 Mmmmmblag Jul 09 05:46:21 gah Jul 09 05:46:35 I am a liitle sleepy Jul 09 05:47:03 but it's hard to fall asleep on a n810 keyboard Jul 09 05:47:26 well that was a pretty good attempt then Jul 09 05:48:29 I was going to say that my house is still hot from the heat spell we've been having here Jul 09 05:48:50 and it's 10pm Jul 09 05:49:29 no air conditioning? Jul 09 05:50:03 that and the beer are making me sleepy, and are making it hard to type Jul 09 05:50:28 no AC, usualy doesn't get this hot Jul 09 05:50:33 alright, I won't ask you to write any novels then Jul 09 05:50:41 heh Jul 09 05:50:43 thanks Jul 09 06:25:41 Is there an alt button equivalent in N810? Jul 09 06:28:51 Functionally, the fn I guess. But you want the signal/keysym? Jul 09 06:29:33 Yup. Jul 09 06:29:59 damn canola 2 beta9 can't read BMP images! Jul 09 06:30:05 what about u? Jul 09 06:30:32 It would be nice when using irssi. ;) There's the esc key though. Jul 09 06:31:41 Canola2 youtube player's scroll bar didn't work for me. Don't know about bmps. Jul 09 06:31:43 Not much here in the way of modifiers unless you have an ext keyboard Jul 09 06:32:06 ok, thanks anyway Jul 09 06:33:10 (I'm not a final authority on that of course :) Jul 09 06:34:55 Makegho, esc does the job. many of us use the esc even with pc Jul 09 06:35:44 I do too. Unless the desktop has a meta key for wm Jul 09 06:36:15 Haven't tried irssi on a nit though Jul 09 06:51:35 so i finally got my bluetooth dun working under diablo thanks to a tip someone posted on bugzilla lol Jul 09 06:54:46 I have been trying to close current connection to internet and connect to my own ad-hoc network for a week :( Jul 09 06:55:31 I'm starting to hate maemo's ICd Jul 09 06:56:23 did you install the package for ad-hoc? Jul 09 06:56:43 or are you trying to connect to an ad-hoc hosted on a different machine? Jul 09 06:56:51 what package you mean? Jul 09 06:57:29 the problem is that I can't disconnect the current connection automatically Jul 09 06:57:55 ahh Jul 09 06:57:57 if I disconnect through connection manager by clicking "disconnect" and then connect to my ad-hoc network it works Jul 09 06:58:18 but it wont work via change connection? Jul 09 06:59:53 it works that way also but I would like to do the same thing directly in my code but there's no way to do it Jul 09 07:00:38 the libconic library doesn't offer method to change connection Jul 09 07:00:56 diablo! only chinook ROXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Jul 09 07:01:15 it does offer method for closing the connection (con_ic_connection_disconnect()) but this method doesn't do anything ?! Jul 09 07:01:17 have you tried installing the wireless-tools package and doing it using iwconfig? Jul 09 07:01:38 yes I have tried and it worked but Jul 09 07:02:43 I would like the connection manager to be informed that I have connected to my ad-hoc network so that if user opens for example web browser maemo wouldn't automatically ask to connect to different network Jul 09 07:03:17 if I connect using iwconfig the connection manager won't get updated Jul 09 07:06:44 this thread might be helpfu sort of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38171 Jul 09 07:07:13 looks like there is a bug preventing ad-hoc via dummy network in diablo Jul 09 07:09:15 I think this isn't related to my problem because I haven't updated yet to Diablo, I'm still using Chinook Jul 09 07:10:37 ahh Jul 09 07:11:01 well anyways i've got to pop off here so i can update my tablet and go to bed Jul 09 07:11:35 try looking into that dummy ad-hoc package mentioned in there and see if that may work for you Jul 09 07:20:35 * timelyx sighs Jul 09 07:23:22 HUH!!!!!! Jul 09 07:23:38 timelyx is girl yes? Jul 09 07:23:57 boys can sigh too? :P Jul 09 07:24:09 * aquatix does all the time Jul 09 07:24:13 yes sure Jul 09 07:24:15 annoyting $world Jul 09 07:24:18 -t Jul 09 07:24:24 :) Jul 09 07:24:31 :* Jul 09 07:27:11 how much is the size of diablo!? Jul 09 07:27:19 666 Jul 09 07:27:35 666 MB Jul 09 07:27:50 nah, about 130MB iirc Jul 09 07:28:04 aquatix do u updated ur IT from chinook to Diablo? Jul 09 07:28:11 yups Jul 09 07:28:14 works fine Jul 09 07:28:35 tell me about the design? how is it? good cool? Jul 09 07:28:40 stylish? Jul 09 07:28:47 same design Jul 09 07:28:48 about the same as chinook Jul 09 07:28:54 and have some pics? screenshots? Jul 09 07:28:55 only a different default background Jul 09 07:29:00 but the old one is still there Jul 09 07:29:24 so what is different between them? Jul 09 07:29:44 some new libs, updating without needing to flash Jul 09 07:29:46 [from now on] Jul 09 07:30:26 where? Jul 09 07:30:51 btw can u send me only the background pic? Jul 09 07:33:10 ok no.. Jul 09 07:34:20 timelyx: ping? Jul 09 07:36:47 !op Italodance Jul 09 07:46:24 lol Jul 09 07:47:16 Italodance: so, why not update yourself? Jul 09 07:53:13 thoughts on this computer related riddle: Sailor searching for a drink? (two words, first 4 letters, second 7 letters) :P Jul 09 08:04:29 k Jul 09 08:06:54 you better type the answer/punchline soon Jul 09 08:07:16 i dont know the answer >_< its been driving ME insane Jul 09 08:07:22 for hours Jul 09 08:07:30 now i've inflicted the pain on you :P Jul 09 08:09:33 morning. Anyone booting from MMC on 770? Just installed, no delay to get boot menu so I would like to compare bootmenu.sh/conf. Jul 09 08:10:32 good morning :-D Jul 09 08:11:28 hi Jul 09 08:11:34 matmo: matmos? Jul 09 08:11:47 pupnik: ? Jul 09 08:11:55 can maemo run on a pc ? Jul 09 08:11:55 interesting electro artist Jul 09 08:11:59 i can boot 770 here Jul 09 08:12:06 yes stargater Jul 09 08:12:17 pupnik: nope, just "matmo" :-) Jul 09 08:12:46 give me a minute pls matmo Jul 09 08:13:51 pupnik: nice, i like maemo for a eeepc Jul 09 08:14:00 ok somethings wrong - battery was completely down, booting doesn't give me the OS but just 'charging' sign Jul 09 08:14:21 pupnik: :-( Jul 09 08:14:45 an maemo switch to QT4 ? Jul 09 08:14:50 stargater: you can run the maemo application development environment on a PC - everybody did Jul 09 08:14:58 everybody does rather Jul 09 08:16:06 ok Jul 09 08:17:38 stargater, it would be interesting to see ITOS (the internet tablet OS) running on eee Jul 09 08:18:12 Maybe that wossname project Jul 09 08:18:20 matmo where is this bootmenu.sh/conf? Jul 09 08:18:44 Or maybe if more components open Jul 09 08:19:11 .oO(eeepc as a scratchbox?) Jul 09 08:19:44 Morning, all Jul 09 08:19:48 pupnik: /mnt/initfs/ (but I am guessing this is correct, looks ok) Jul 09 08:20:52 want bootmenu.conf ? Jul 09 08:21:11 please and bootmenu.conf Jul 09 08:21:54 oop, bootmenu.sh Jul 09 08:21:55 ok http://maemo.pastebin.com/d723aa4fc .conf Jul 09 08:22:55 http://maemo.pastebin.com/d59693163 .sh Jul 09 08:24:10 thanks, back in a mo Jul 09 08:26:34 pupnik: ITOS = have you a url? Jul 09 08:28:47 zap: mxr.maemo.org is your friend, it'll help you figure out things like translations Jul 09 08:28:50 tank-man: BTW: port scanner :P Jul 09 08:31:03 GeneralAntilles: re 3414, i think i saw it when you filed it Jul 09 08:31:47 hm, are there modest snapshots for diablo already? Jul 09 08:34:03 Can anyone confirm that the browser in diablo crashes on this url? http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/openbossa-labs-entries-for-maemo-context Jul 09 08:42:46 stargater: well if you get the maemo development environment, you will have much of the needed stuff running on x86 Jul 09 08:44:18 X-Fade: seems to Jul 09 08:44:19 X-Fade, crashes on my device Jul 09 08:46:59 GeneralAntilles: people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ Jul 09 08:47:46 hmm now that I loaded that url from command line, the page loaded just fine, then reloaded three times, and then the browser exited Jul 09 08:48:00 or was killed Jul 09 08:48:39 wnd: Yeah, I saw the reload once too. Jul 09 08:48:42 wnd: on mine I went to the base url, it displayed partially, reloaded and as I clicked the url bar to see the url, it crashed Jul 09 08:51:36 and it really seems to segfault, not just exit. "browser_engine_is_alive: assertion `self->connection' failed" Jul 09 08:52:06 * wnd sighs Jul 09 08:52:29 sorry, seems to be killed, it doesn't segfault Jul 09 08:53:09 Maybe it requests too much memory in a short time? Jul 09 08:55:31 X-Fade: pong Jul 09 08:56:34 X-Fade: htop ;) Jul 09 08:56:36 timelyx: I pinged you to confirm that browser crash ;) Jul 09 08:56:51 that's silly, i rarely have devices handy, that's what #maemo is for :) Jul 09 08:57:56 anyway, if we're being killed by the kernel, there's not much we can do Jul 09 08:57:59 Heh, well I got confirmation from #maemo already ;) Jul 09 08:58:09 dmesg should show if we notice low memory signals Jul 09 08:58:20 yeah, i saw, but for reference :) Jul 09 08:58:42 Nothing in dmesg btw. Jul 09 09:00:46 now I'm getting "LOW Mem: connection to server fail: exiting" Jul 09 09:01:09 also, I once managed to load the page when browser was in the background. the browser then exited when I brought it to foreground. Jul 09 09:01:17 or maybe it was just perfect timing Jul 09 09:01:19 pupnik: agh crap, disabled the timeout, no menu, no boot (even to internal flash). Now reflashing again with 2008HE. What version/s are you using on your 770? Jul 09 09:02:30 If I run browser from the command line, I see it actively gets killed. Jul 09 09:03:07 die! Jul 09 09:03:20 * aquatix thinks it's because of the bunch of images Jul 09 09:05:18 X-Fade: sorry, got sysklogd? :) Jul 09 09:05:26 hold on Jul 09 09:05:55 you see browser or browserd getting killed? Jul 09 09:06:05 anyway, for fun, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/481938 Jul 09 09:06:10 browserd Jul 09 09:06:26 btw, i think these look pretty cool: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/logo_d_accessories.png Jul 09 09:06:29 techie font Jul 09 09:06:39 [not very readable for passers by, but hey] Jul 09 09:06:53 http://wnd.katei.fi/tmp2/maemo-browserd Jul 09 09:07:32 now it also received SIGSEGV. I probably missed that the last time. Jul 09 09:08:29 can you install nitro? Jul 09 09:08:36 or create a core-dumps directory? Jul 09 09:08:44 nice Jul 09 09:08:57 tell me when the pen is out Jul 09 09:09:46 matmo: 2006 :) until i see most 770 users on a different OS Jul 09 09:10:15 Most? :) Jul 09 09:11:07 pupnik: thanks :-) Jul 09 09:11:10 cu Jul 09 09:11:15 cheers Jul 09 09:11:58 pupnik: ah ok. Ever tried 07/08? Jul 09 09:12:40 what program would you recommend for storing passwords in an encrypted file in n810? Jul 09 09:12:48 firefox3 :) Jul 09 09:13:22 there seems to be some 4-6 projects for that but I don't know which of them is best Jul 09 09:13:30 best and best of course, but still Jul 09 09:14:08 timelyx: Ok, I got a core. Jul 09 09:14:46 timelyx: Only 85MB ;) Jul 09 09:15:57 X-Fade: well, they should compress well Jul 09 09:16:11 either that, or we /might/ have -dbg symbols Jul 09 09:16:20 in which case you could debug it directly :) Jul 09 09:19:06 ? Jul 09 09:19:15 ! Jul 09 09:19:46 hello everyone Jul 09 09:20:49 hello one Jul 09 09:21:09 tried 07 on 770, not 08 yet Jul 09 09:21:12 @ matmo Jul 09 09:21:27 good morning Jul 09 09:23:19 pupnik: ok, I had 07 and was trying 08. Thanks for your help. Jul 09 09:33:13 I'm trying to move my tuner tool to garage, I've the project created and was now importing the files into svn Jul 09 09:33:40 I'm not really skilled on svn, I've just added and commited the folder struct Jul 09 09:33:51 and now I was importing the files into it Jul 09 09:34:10 timelyx, two nitro reports sent Jul 09 09:34:28 I'm getting an error PROPFIND request failed ... 302 found Jul 09 09:34:35 interestingly enough now the browser didn't close Jul 09 09:35:01 could you give me some tip on how to finish the commit? Jul 09 09:35:32 AD-N770: Are you using svn.garage.maemo.org or garage.maemo.org? Jul 09 09:35:48 You should use that latter. Jul 09 09:36:50 svn info report URL: https://svn.garage.... Jul 09 09:37:06 how I've to change it now? Jul 09 09:37:13 AD-N770: Yeah, that is not ok. Jul 09 09:37:26 Just checkout again with the correct url. Jul 09 09:37:41 ok trying now Jul 09 09:43:50 if it helps to someone else I've found another way to do the change, svn switch --relocate Jul 09 09:43:54 it worked Jul 09 09:44:10 :) Jul 09 11:38:11 crashanddie: tablet-encode svn should fix your GUI issue Jul 09 11:38:49 ~lart dentists Jul 09 11:38:49 * infobot eats dentists's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti Jul 09 11:40:35 i bet infobot doesnt get toothache Jul 09 11:44:31 ~lart Darius Jul 09 11:44:31 * infobot plops Darius into a giant vat of herring Jul 09 11:45:16 lol jaffa Jul 09 11:45:58 which got you this time, the google group for bounties (the chocolate bar i assume) or the DNS hack blink link spam? Jul 09 11:46:03 blind^ Jul 09 11:50:44 mmm bountry Jul 09 11:50:48 -r Jul 09 11:52:51 lcuk2: the first primarily Jul 09 11:53:23 lol Jul 09 11:53:36 * GeneralAntilles wonders why Flashblock keeps popping up in bugs. Jul 09 11:53:39 well im happy hes made that group Jul 09 11:53:45 It's not a valid answer. <_< Jul 09 11:53:51 i love bounties Jul 09 11:54:06 (actually i dont i give them all to jake, but you get the idea) Jul 09 11:55:31 actually, you wouldn't drink chianti with a high-blood meat Jul 09 11:55:41 hi Jul 09 11:55:42 GeneralAntilles, flashblock? you mean people using flashblock on device, or your flashblocker keeps warning you when you go onto the bugs site Jul 09 11:56:05 Jaffa, ok, awesome, I'll check it out tonight Jul 09 11:56:15 is there a plugin to use netbeans instead of eclipse for maemo n810 development? Jul 09 11:56:37 Jaffa, happy I could contribute :) Was it a bug ? Jul 09 11:56:51 darkterror46, I don't recall seeing a netbeans plugin Jul 09 11:57:17 you are not forced to use any ide for development, however there integration in other ides isnt as good. perhaps if it means enough to you you could see what would be required Jul 09 11:57:23 lcuk2, it keeps popping up in bugs I'm interested in as a somehow "valid" solution to the bug. Jul 09 11:57:51 because eclipse plugins aren't good enought . need to be fixing makefile instead of c coding Jul 09 11:58:17 to be honest, I don't use either. Jul 09 11:58:19 gedit + make Jul 09 11:58:28 darkterror46, i feel your pain, i have to do all project management manually Jul 09 11:58:47 lcuk2, where's the pain in that ? It's not pain, it's fun! Jul 09 11:59:12 ok then smart arse, you try it entirely on the device (for now until i get the editor working) Jul 09 11:59:16 :P Jul 09 11:59:28 haha Jul 09 11:59:33 omg i am a number not a name Jul 09 11:59:35 scratchbox ftw Jul 09 12:00:17 so averyone here is doing it the hard way? Jul 09 12:00:22 i always think im gonna paste my password globally when i have to do //msgnickserv identify ****** Jul 09 12:00:39 darkterror46, its not "hard", its more configurable and not so railroaded Jul 09 12:00:40 someone did :-D Jul 09 12:01:09 crashanddie: there was a bug, indeed. I'm going to try and improve UI's error handling as well for the 2.19 release Jul 09 12:01:20 back later anyway Jul 09 12:01:39 Jaffa, good :) Jul 09 12:01:55 lcuk, don't use /msg nickserv Jul 09 12:02:05 lcuk, rather, use /ns or /nickserv Jul 09 12:02:39 lcuk, worst case scenario: you send your password in a bad command to the server Jul 09 12:04:01 so every time i add a c to the project i need to edit also the makefiles Jul 09 12:04:24 that's why IDEs are used for! Jul 09 12:07:23 IDE is a royally pointless thing when you're alrfeady immersed in a distributed de Jul 09 12:07:58 Just a way to put a layer of goo in the way Jul 09 12:08:49 * Jaffa loves Eclipse. It's just a shame the C , Perl, Python and Groovy plugins aren't as developed as the Java one. Jul 09 12:09:21 But I guess some tools have gone downhill enough that you need a wizzard to work with them Jul 09 12:09:34 Navigating around a large OO project (or even separated procedural one) without an IDE just ends up being more pain than it's worth, unless you're the single developer working alone. Jul 09 12:10:12 darkterror46: if you write your makefiles properly, you won't have to add new .c files to makefile Jul 09 12:10:34 Mostly I think people just can't use the tools Jul 09 12:10:43 yep Jul 09 12:10:51 (What zap said eg) Jul 09 12:10:53 zap can you give me a sample of that marvellous makefile? Jul 09 12:11:08 lcuk: by the way, instead of /msg nickserv you can use /nickserv Jul 09 12:11:22 lcuk: this will save you from someone taking over the nickname 'nickserv' :) Jul 09 12:11:25 Make can get pretty hairy, though. Jul 09 12:11:30 I think I've broken my internal memory card (/dev/mmcblk0p1) somehow. I get i/o errors and I can only mount it readonly through USB mass storage. should I try reformatting it or is it likely ruined? Jul 09 12:11:37 (that would suck) Jul 09 12:12:00 darkterror46, http://slexy.org/view/s212UYIxD1 here is makefile (example) that doesn't require you to add any .cpp files to the Makefile Jul 09 12:12:16 pekuja: fsck? Jul 09 12:12:23 7 Jul 09 12:12:36 what kind of IO errors Jul 09 12:12:48 if from low-level driver, repair the unit Jul 09 12:12:54 if from filesystem, fsck/mkfs Jul 09 12:13:05 XLT, oh, that's a good idea. quite obvious now that I think of it >__> Jul 09 12:13:10 darkterror46: http://pastebin.ca/1066603 <- this is from a real-life project Jul 09 12:13:35 darkterror46: this is a submakefile that builds one of the libs in the project Jul 09 12:14:00 zap, well, if I try to copy a file for example, I get "cp: read error: Input/output error" Jul 09 12:14:05 http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars Jul 09 12:14:07 not with all files though Jul 09 12:14:07 interesting Jul 09 12:14:25 compilling *.c isnt always wanted though for all builds and this is where makefiles work well Jul 09 12:14:38 pekuja: run dmesg and look what kernel says Jul 09 12:15:01 it says Filesystem panic Jul 09 12:15:10 and invalid cluster chain Jul 09 12:15:21 lcuk: if you design your project from ground up, you just put all files that should be compiled together in a single subdir Jul 09 12:15:31 pekuja: reformat hen Jul 09 12:15:36 s/hen/then/ Jul 09 12:15:37 zap meant: pekuja: reformat then Jul 09 12:15:44 zap, lcuk tends to put everything in one superdir :P Jul 09 12:15:47 :D Jul 09 12:15:48 lol, reformat hen Jul 09 12:16:16 oh, great, mkfs is installed by default Jul 09 12:16:17 handy Jul 09 12:16:22 i'll play with that Jul 09 12:16:22 pekuja: if you'll touch the hen, I'll tell greenpeace you're a knacker Jul 09 12:16:34 thank you zap and crashanddie Jul 09 12:16:38 crashanddie, my superdir works Jul 09 12:16:49 at least for now Jul 09 12:16:55 lcuk, I'm the same :P Jul 09 12:17:07 darkterror46, you're welcome Jul 09 12:17:33 zap - i wouldnt like to have to make a pair of subdirs to allow a testing version of a module to be buildable Jul 09 12:17:40 darkterror46: the build system I described is used here: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/lensfun/trunk/#_trunk_ Jul 09 12:18:10 lcuk: you don't have to Jul 09 12:18:15 zap, you are just showing off now, i cant use autoconf :( Jul 09 12:18:24 I hate autoconf Jul 09 12:18:39 * Jaffa too Jul 09 12:18:42 i hate it cos i cant have it Jul 09 12:18:49 windoz? Jul 09 12:18:50 You're certainly not alone Jul 09 12:18:52 i know i would hate it more if i had it Jul 09 12:19:00 zap, n810 dev env Jul 09 12:19:02 * Jaffa wants to look at !autoconf for use with vala given vala's so nice, and autoconf... isn't Jul 09 12:19:09 XLT, zap, thanks. hopefully this helps Jul 09 12:19:10 lcuk: so why no autoconf? Jul 09 12:19:14 at least the mkfs seemed to work ok Jul 09 12:19:32 pekuja: cool, now reboot and see :) Jul 09 12:19:39 autoconf requires alternative version of debiantools which to remove it removes ALL the osso stuff which removes my nokia basically Jul 09 12:19:48 you an test your card by doing dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null Jul 09 12:20:27 why you can't use scratchbox instead of n8xx =) Jul 09 12:21:08 cos i can compile wherever i am and i can work FASTER by compiling as i work rather than compile/copy over ssh/execute :) Jul 09 12:21:43 zap, good idea Jul 09 12:21:48 Scratchbox on nit. ISAGN Jul 09 12:22:05 im not stuck to needing linux this or that or scratchbox installed oranything. i can edit in windows or linux or mac or whatever i want and it works nicely Jul 09 12:22:40 granted, i will need SB for some things in near future (configuring a package) but so far its been smooth running Jul 09 12:23:02 and with my cpu on Performance it stays at fullspeed and compiles MUCH quicker than when its left on ondemand Jul 09 12:23:17 (less than a minute for a fullrebuild vs 10minutes) Jul 09 12:23:42 wow Jul 09 12:24:03 anyone know a good makefile reference Jul 09 12:24:16 darkterror46, yeah, the ones we gave you :P Jul 09 12:24:18 on ondemand it doesnt seem to consider the shell processes as needing an upgrade Jul 09 12:24:22 darkterror46, what's you're problem ? Jul 09 12:24:25 :-D Jul 09 12:24:30 your** Jul 09 12:24:32 crashanddie, of course, full compilation on my home box is around 15seconds Jul 09 12:24:36 need to know more about it Jul 09 12:24:54 lcuk, yeah, but still... factor 10 is quite a vast improvement, by any standard Jul 09 12:25:07 yer, it was noticed early on Jul 09 12:25:24 darkterror46: 'info make' is the best I know of Jul 09 12:25:33 its not quite so drastic around the rest of the system, but i get a positive improvement with everything in performance Jul 09 12:25:35 darkterror46, hmm, I don't know really, I just know how it works, basically, after that, never looked up anything Jul 09 12:25:52 lcuk, which is probably why it's called "performance mode" Jul 09 12:25:53 (numpty works faster ;)) Jul 09 12:26:12 do you notice a major difference in power consumption ? Jul 09 12:26:19 yer, but i dont see any drawbacks \o/ unless of course something has a run on processor use that you dont expect Jul 09 12:26:20 I guess so Jul 09 12:26:53 crashanddie, not really, the only thing that kills my battery is wifi and when im off that it lasts all day as ive said many times Jul 09 12:26:58 by the way, is there a statusbar applet that would allow to switch CPU governor at runtime? Jul 09 12:27:13 liqbase allows that, but itsn ot a statusbar applet Jul 09 12:27:21 :) Jul 09 12:27:22 yet Jul 09 12:27:27 haha Jul 09 12:27:38 or rather, there are no statusbar applets designed for liqbase yet ;) Jul 09 12:27:39 or at least a desktop widget :) Jul 09 12:27:56 lcuk, ;) Jul 09 12:28:04 * crashanddie fires up eclipse Jul 09 12:28:06 back to work Jul 09 12:28:13 cya later :) Jul 09 12:28:20 lcuk: any plans to add a terminal to liqbase? then we can get rid of that slow linux Jul 09 12:28:24 and saying that, I think I'm going to blast my brains out while listening to Deftones... Back to school :D Jul 09 12:28:49 zap, eventually, lcuk is going to write a new kernel based off liqbase, and call it liqux Jul 09 12:29:03 kernel=/boot/zLiqbase Jul 09 12:29:05 zap, then a new shell, liqsh Jul 09 12:29:21 a new desktop manager liqome Jul 09 12:29:43 liqueur Jul 09 12:29:54 and then he's going to change his name to Liqus Torliqs Jul 09 12:30:12 all praise lcuk :) Jul 09 12:30:22 lcuk: ;-) Jul 09 12:30:26 he well then start yelling at GPLv4, because it's utter shite Jul 09 12:30:27 ALL GLORY TO HYPNOLCUK Jul 09 12:31:02 get a house in California, and give seasonal interviews about how Microsoft is going to fall in favour of liqus Jul 09 12:31:18 when is the release of carman? Jul 09 12:31:25 what can it do? Jul 09 12:31:26 lcuk, that sounds right ? Jul 09 12:31:36 carman is 'pocket' in Russian :) Jul 09 12:32:06 a little pocket engine Jul 09 12:32:17 hola Jul 09 12:32:22 is it the same canola? Jul 09 12:32:41 install it and see :) Jul 09 12:32:50 zap? Jul 09 12:33:05 it's available in some repo Jul 09 12:33:12 http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/graphical-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update Jul 09 12:33:13 lcuk, btw, did you change the password on the server ? Jul 09 12:33:26 lcuk, I'd appreciate it if you did, don't want to leave an account open like that Jul 09 12:33:26 zap where? can u give me a link? Jul 09 12:34:14 The new version is targeted for August. . . . Jul 09 12:34:58 Jaffa, think we should start a Darius fan club Google Group? :D Jul 09 12:36:53 http://www.openbossa.org/developers/carman/download Jul 09 12:36:59 :) Jul 09 12:37:54 GeneralAntilles: I suspect he won't get the irony Jul 09 12:38:20 Hehe Jul 09 12:38:40 Darius Jack, solving all the world's ills with Google Groups. Jul 09 12:39:36 Got to cash in on every solution you can find Jul 09 12:41:09 Italodance: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/carman/ Jul 09 12:41:30 what can do Mamona ? Jul 09 12:41:30 ah, you found it Jul 09 12:41:50 Italodance, nothing that would interest you. Jul 09 12:42:08 umm but can i know? Jul 09 12:44:01 what is mamona? Jul 09 12:44:19 http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ Jul 09 12:44:21 Read. Jul 09 12:44:36 crashanddie, i told you nooooo, you deal with it. nice offer but not right for me Jul 09 12:45:15 do u have it guys? Jul 09 12:45:18 lcuk, I don't care what you use it for, file storage, heavy duty compiling, whatever Jul 09 12:45:59 lcuk, but if you really don't want it, no problem Jul 09 12:46:16 just change the password and keep it for when you'll need it :P Jul 09 12:46:40 maemo.org is soooo slooooow :((( Jul 09 12:48:37 I'm really interested to see the result of this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200842#13 Jul 09 12:48:50 Fremantle not running on the N8x0 series would be . . . disappointing. Jul 09 13:01:22 GeneralAntilles: :P Jul 09 13:02:59 off again... into the wild blue yonder... have a nice day all Jul 09 13:04:34 pupnik's joining the navy? Jul 09 13:05:17 s/navy/Air Force/ <_< Jul 09 13:09:29 s/air force/boy scouts Jul 09 13:09:50 Not with that song. :P Jul 09 13:10:19 what else can he do, they wouldnt accept him into the girl guides Jul 09 13:10:54 my rss doesnt add feeds...someone know this? Jul 09 13:11:24 dunno, ill stop popping in for a bit now :P Jul 09 13:11:32 back later Jul 09 13:22:37 GeneralAntilles: nice to get a hint that we'll see more of Fremantle at the summit. I'd guessed as much from the agenda, but seeing some concrete stuff (even if it's mockups or concepts) would be very cool Jul 09 13:23:17 Definitely Jul 09 13:23:24 The PowerVR stuff should be interesting, too. Jul 09 13:27:47 Has someone tried the example codes for conic python library found at https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/branches/chinook/tests/ ? Jul 09 13:29:05 I trie to receive connection events from ICd using the monitoring example but it didn't work Jul 09 13:29:40 Hmm, reading the translations, the article sounds a lot less dire than the summary benny gave. Jul 09 13:30:51 first rule of translations: make the news better/worse, so that the shock gets people to think about the content, instead of the quality of the translation Jul 09 13:42:33 GeneralAntilles: see also http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/maemo-bof-at-guadec-how-it-sounds/ Jul 09 13:42:39 Yeah, saw it. Jul 09 13:47:25 noob question: /lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/build: No such file or directory. Stop. Jul 09 13:47:28 how do i fix that? Jul 09 13:48:52 could someone please take a look at this makefile and tell me what is wrong with it? http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/maemo-bof-at-guadec-how-it-sounds/ Jul 09 13:49:12 oops wrong url Jul 09 13:49:15 :-D Jul 09 13:50:07 http://slexy.org/view/s2lpOHcOsn Jul 09 13:53:05 Atarii, Are you building something? If so, what is it? Jul 09 13:53:27 for now just a test project Jul 09 13:55:00 im trying to build the rt73 drivers, but for the 770 Jul 09 13:56:26 I remember compiling some kernel modules for the N800, I think the easiest way to sort out that message is to use a symlink. Jul 09 13:56:36 (A symlink to the kernel source that is) Jul 09 13:57:28 ah ok Jul 09 13:57:35 GeneralAntilles: you making the summit, btw? Jul 09 13:57:51 Highly unlikely. Jul 09 14:04:27 GeneralAntilles: :-( Jul 09 14:04:46 Yeah, I know. Jul 09 14:04:55 Family reunion either that weekend or the weekend after Jul 09 14:04:56 plus school Jul 09 14:05:40 Since it's still up in the air, I don't want to apply for sponsorship then not be able to go. Jul 09 14:05:54 and definitely wont be able to afford the $2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;) Jul 09 14:18:13 * qwerty12 loves bugmenot Jul 09 14:29:28 Application Manager does not resolve the dependencies of the package installed through a .install file? Jul 09 14:29:38 Er, yes it does. Jul 09 14:29:43 Unless the .install is pointing to a .deb Jul 09 14:31:50 strange Jul 09 14:32:19 people complains that the .install file I made does not get the 'file' package, which is listed as a dependency to the installed .deb file Jul 09 14:33:18 Is it available in the repositories they have? Jul 09 14:33:27 maybe the package you refererring to is not in the defined repository... Jul 09 14:35:29 No, the 'file' is in the mainstream repository Jul 09 14:35:46 it is not in the referred repository, but shouldn't app manager look into configured repos as well? Jul 09 14:36:45 zap: No it is not. Jul 09 14:37:02 It might be in the SDK repository, but that is not supposed to be used on the device. Jul 09 14:37:10 hmm Jul 09 14:37:31 http://stage.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/f/file/file_4.12-1osso_armel.deb Jul 09 14:37:34 this is devel repo? Jul 09 14:37:35 * lcuk whistles quietly Jul 09 14:37:39 zap: Yes. Jul 09 14:37:44 aha Jul 09 14:37:51 zap: That is a SDK repository. Jul 09 14:37:57 so I would better refetrence it in .install ile, right? Jul 09 14:38:01 No Jul 09 14:38:06 no? Jul 09 14:38:11 How to proceed then? Jul 09 14:38:22 That repository is not to be used on the device by regular users. Jul 09 14:38:30 upload you dependency to extras? Jul 09 14:38:38 hmm Jul 09 14:38:50 well I haven't submited my package to extras yet Jul 09 14:39:06 zap: Well, today is a good day for that ;) Jul 09 14:39:07 but Jul 09 14:39:10 hehe Jul 09 14:39:29 but when a new version of 'file' will appear in sdk repo Jul 09 14:39:34 I'll have to reupload it? Jul 09 14:40:06 Well, yes and no. :) Jul 09 14:40:22 It depends on what changed. Jul 09 14:40:52 Ok, I'll ask another way. Every package in extras has a maintainer? Jul 09 14:40:52 But typically these versions don't change outside of releases. Jul 09 14:41:27 Or it's just a "throw in your stuff and forget"? Jul 09 14:41:39 They all have an uploader, which can be a maintainer. Some packages are just repacks of debian packages. Jul 09 14:42:02 If I upload 'file' into extras, I'll become the maintainer of it? Jul 09 14:42:16 or anybody else can submit a newer version? Jul 09 14:42:17 zap: That is why we push for source packages, so that things can be fixed when a maintainer gets hit by a bus.. Jul 09 14:42:23 :) Jul 09 14:42:30 I'm not going to Jul 09 14:42:32 YET :) Jul 09 14:42:41 Or just loses interest.. Jul 09 14:42:43 Hehe, is that a regular thing with pkg maintainers? Jul 09 14:42:50 (Getting hit) Jul 09 14:43:05 qwerty12: I guess those busses have numbers like 007MS and such Jul 09 14:43:14 Hehe Jul 09 14:43:16 It is if your build-depends aren't specified correctly. >:) Jul 09 14:43:46 ok cool. I'll look into submission then Jul 09 14:43:53 And uploading to extras reduces the bus risks too ;) Jul 09 14:44:04 zap: What is your garage username? Jul 09 14:44:11 um Jul 09 14:44:13 I'll give you an invitation. Jul 09 14:44:14 let me look :) Jul 09 14:44:41 aha, surprise. Jul 09 14:44:44 I'm zap there too Jul 09 14:45:00 should I start a new project for the submission? Jul 09 14:45:10 No, that is not needed. Jul 09 14:45:13 cool Jul 09 14:45:32 But you have a project, I see? Jul 09 14:45:38 apt-getit? Jul 09 14:45:50 yep Jul 09 14:46:24 You should receive an invitation shortly. Jul 09 14:46:34 by email? Jul 09 14:46:38 yes. Jul 09 14:46:39 thank you Jul 09 14:48:20 * qwerty12 is pimpin *so* badly. I've got Phoenix to connect to my N800. Jul 09 14:48:32 zap: This might be of interest: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Jul 09 14:48:49 qwerty12: ah this *cough* nokia service center thingy? Jul 09 14:48:55 jott, yep Jul 09 14:48:58 qwerty12: nice Jul 09 14:49:13 qwerty12: question, can you query the current brightness level with it? ;) Jul 09 14:49:27 of the lcd Jul 09 14:49:47 I'm into leaked nokia stuff, I've got ftd, phoenix, n800 + n810 service manuals + n810 schematics :P Jul 09 14:49:56 jott, no idea, i'll see if i can figure it out Jul 09 14:51:41 by the way, what interface the corner LED on N8xx has? In /sys/class/led/ I found only the keyboard backlight Jul 09 14:52:44 zap: Checks jott's application: http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py Jul 09 14:53:13 /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/color and /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0032/mode Jul 09 14:54:26 aha Jul 09 14:54:35 why not use the led sysfs class? Jul 09 14:54:46 iirc it was designed to deal with colored leds Jul 09 14:58:38 X-Fade, how often does the scm tracker on Garage update? Jul 09 14:59:09 GeneralAntilles: What part? The source view? Jul 09 14:59:31 https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 Jul 09 14:59:34 The stats part. Jul 09 15:00:18 * qwerty12 explodes over /trunk/merge :) Jul 09 15:00:22 Ah I see someone is ego-surfing :) Jul 09 15:00:48 GeneralAntilles: You have found a bug, it seems ;) Jul 09 15:00:50 Nah, just wondering. Jul 09 15:00:58 I've only got about 5 adds. :P Jul 09 15:01:10 I should at least update once a day, I guess. Jul 09 15:01:29 That hasn't been updated for a while. . . . Jul 09 15:02:11 As a preliminary, I'm going to start off by blaming rm_you. :D Jul 09 15:02:33 I blame him too Jul 09 15:02:35 GeneralAntilles: It should run every day at 1:20.. Jul 09 15:02:38 what are we blaming him for? Jul 09 15:02:39 X-Fade: does maemo-extras autobuild the package or chinook & diablo? Jul 09 15:02:52 lol? Jul 09 15:02:55 johnx, for the scm stats not updating properly on Garage. :P Jul 09 15:02:56 I feel blamed Jul 09 15:03:00 zap: Depends on which queue you upload to. Jul 09 15:03:03 svn blame rm_you Jul 09 15:03:03 ? Jul 09 15:03:05 :P Jul 09 15:03:20 * rm_you loves that there's a BLAME command, though it doesn't do what he thinks it should :) Jul 09 15:04:06 ah I see Jul 09 15:04:25 cool then, I don't have chinook scratchbox installed Jul 09 15:08:28 GeneralAntilles: Ok, found the problem. Jul 09 15:08:31 And fixed it. Jul 09 15:09:12 Thanks, X-Fade. :) Jul 09 15:09:57 * GeneralAntilles gets warm fuzzies from how responsive the maemo.org team is compared to Maemo Software. :D Jul 09 15:10:27 debian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right? Jul 09 15:11:17 GeneralAntilles: should that page you linked now show something more than "4 updates"? >_> Jul 09 15:11:56 rm_you: When the stats job finishes, yes. Jul 09 15:12:29 ah k :P Jul 09 15:12:32 debian/files is created by the build system, so should not be included in a source tarball, right? Jul 09 15:13:07 When you say debian/files, do you mean the folder that is basically tarred up as data.tar.gz? Jul 09 15:14:04 no, i mean my source tarbal Jul 09 15:14:20 I need to include rules, changelog, ... ... Jul 09 15:14:27 is the "files" file necessary Jul 09 15:14:34 or is it generated during the build process Jul 09 15:15:41 oh yeah... so did we make history as the first Maemo Garage bounty ever completed successfully? :P Jul 09 15:16:34 rm_you, I looked in some source tarballs for the open source parts of maemo, and I don't see a debian/files file in them. Jul 09 15:16:44 hello is porting hard ? Jul 09 15:16:47 k sweet Jul 09 15:17:20 like if its allreay in deb format Jul 09 15:17:31 rm_you, I'd make a backup tarball before trying this, but "fakeroot debian/rules clean" should clean out the debian folder. Jul 09 15:18:57 if you already have the deb source package, it is supposed to be piece of cake. Jul 09 15:19:16 now, you may still hit some dependency issue and have to port first a couple of other packages. Jul 09 15:19:18 well im trying to get naim to nwork Jul 09 15:19:30 i have alot of the stuff Jul 09 15:19:39 its always a gcc problem Jul 09 15:20:17 zap can i bug you again with a makefile issue? Jul 09 15:21:02 B1ACKDEATH: either try to see why the packager set a requirement on a specific version of gcc (if that is the problem i think you describe) Jul 09 15:21:18 or try to compile it manually, and once you know it owrks ok, try to package it on your own Jul 09 15:21:39 ok Jul 09 15:21:40 thx Jul 09 15:23:05 B1ACKDEATH, can't see what you mean , I just compiled it fine (simple configure & make) Jul 09 15:23:41 (colours are a bit strong in the program >.<) Jul 09 15:23:46 on wat os Jul 09 15:23:52 2008 Jul 09 15:24:09 yes, using scratchbox, I compiled it for 2008 Jul 09 15:24:10 deiblo Jul 09 15:24:16 hmhm Jul 09 15:24:33 mabey im just on something Jul 09 15:24:47 well Jul 09 15:24:49 The error messages that you actually get would help ;) Jul 09 15:25:06 well Jul 09 15:25:24 well i didnt cross compile it Jul 09 15:25:55 Just get qwerty12 to give you the binary he made. <_< Jul 09 15:26:23 I can't be arsed to deb package it though, I can tar.gz my source folder, you can make install yourself. Jul 09 15:26:51 ok Jul 09 15:28:57 http://www.mediafire.com/?my2myyyhuy9 Jul 09 15:30:25 http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount Jul 09 15:30:28 The "Maemo Diablo Reference Manual" is brilliant btw, thanks to whoever made it. Jul 09 15:30:29 does the form layout shock anyone ? Jul 09 15:31:56 thanks qwerty12 Jul 09 15:32:44 pretty please ? Jul 09 15:35:14 qwerty12 Jul 09 15:35:22 i have your error now Jul 09 15:35:29 checking for C compiler default output file name... Jul 09 15:35:40 You wern't meant to run configure on it. Jul 09 15:36:06 I'm not asking for world domination, just an opinion on that stupid form Jul 09 15:36:46 opinion: it sucks Jul 09 15:36:54 wait, what form? Jul 09 15:37:00 http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount Jul 09 15:37:27 oh. Jul 09 15:37:29 uh, Jul 09 15:37:33 opinion: it's french Jul 09 15:37:45 i have your error now Jul 09 15:37:49 yeah, but it's also gonna be chinese, english, russian and spanish Jul 09 15:37:58 opinion: it doesn't render right in konqueror Jul 09 15:38:07 qwerty12 what was i so post to run Jul 09 15:38:10 define: doesn't render right ? Jul 09 15:38:15 supposed** Jul 09 15:38:24 it's wider than my window and didn't resize itself to fit Jul 09 15:38:30 ^_^ Jul 09 15:38:44 that's correct rendering :-° Jul 09 15:38:45 heh Jul 09 15:38:51 aw Jul 09 15:39:05 hey, not my fault, I'm just doing what I'm told Jul 09 15:39:10 B1ACKDEATH, make install Jul 09 15:39:20 i did Jul 09 15:39:24 it errored Jul 09 15:39:29 why would configure run then? Jul 09 15:39:32 you were told "make sure it doesn't render right in konqueror"? Jul 09 15:39:35 that's pretty specific Jul 09 15:39:48 :D Jul 09 15:39:51 ok ok, now i'm not being very helpful, sorry Jul 09 15:40:09 no, I was told "we need so much width, make sure it keeps it, even if window gets resized" Jul 09 15:40:25 wow Jul 09 15:40:47 I KNOW ! Jul 09 15:41:04 i'm suprised it isn't ASP on IIS, too Jul 09 15:41:09 the placement of the form description text is bad Jul 09 15:41:33 it should be to the left of the field, or onto with enough space between fields to tell what field the text is referencing Jul 09 15:41:36 * Mousey shrinks the font Jul 09 15:41:41 wow, it really does stay one size Jul 09 15:41:52 opinion: it's built to spec Jul 09 15:43:07 * Mousey goes back to job hunting in seattle Jul 09 15:45:50 Proteous, better now ? Jul 09 15:46:02 (this is just a draft eh, I'm not going to leave it float like that, obviously) Jul 09 15:46:32 The hover style for the tabs at the top is confusing Jul 09 15:46:59 Header is way too tall. Jul 09 15:47:02 wnd: thanks, someone should spot it, but if you left a comment, i suppose i could hunt for it Jul 09 15:47:30 Copyright would work better in the actual footer. Jul 09 15:47:57 err, copyright *is* in the footer, that's just the form fucking it up Jul 09 15:48:33 It's not really much better on the other pages. :P Jul 09 15:48:50 The text should really be on the left of the form fields. Jul 09 15:49:00 ok Jul 09 15:49:49 Also, why not use a real © instead of (c)? :P Jul 09 15:49:50 timely, leave a comment? I put "$ browser --url foo" as nitro's "how did I get here". Jul 09 15:50:27 GeneralAntilles, drafting :P Jul 09 15:50:33 GeneralAntilles, that's for the translation team :P Jul 09 15:51:03 I'd just change the text color for the hovers at the top and not the background too. Jul 09 15:51:06 Confusing Jul 09 15:51:49 GeneralAntilles, will do Jul 09 15:52:13 wnd: ok, when i get around to vpn'ing, i'll go search for that, it shouldn't be too hard to spot Jul 09 16:03:02 hi anyone available for help, i upgraded my nokia internet tablet n810 to the new diablo and i been trying to install pidgin and mplayer but i get e message saying theres no such package. Jul 09 16:03:35 siddyz, try search google with the error message quoted and "diablo". :) Jul 09 16:03:45 ok thank you Jul 09 16:03:47 In summary, you need to add Chinook Extras to your application catalog. Jul 09 16:04:18 okay ill have a go at it thank you Jul 09 16:08:00 nobody ever did figure out why xkbd was borked with OS2008 did they Jul 09 16:08:02 remoo Jul 09 16:08:29 How many people tried to find out? Jul 09 16:09:42 dunno Jul 09 16:10:03 hehe i read xkcd and thought "worksforme" ;) Jul 09 16:10:31 maybe it'll magically work in diablo Jul 09 16:10:48 Somebody needs to distill the battery information Eero posted on the lists down into a short article on battery life killers. Jul 09 16:11:07 The "battery life" thread on itT are really out of hand. Jul 09 16:12:22 ah, the emergence of a new cargo cult :) Jul 09 16:12:28 wiki page phps? Jul 09 16:13:59 Sounds like a plan. Jul 09 16:14:04 I wish I could find that summary email. Jul 09 16:17:18 GeneralAntilles, the one about using strace to find apps polling? Jul 09 16:17:32 He had a break down of pretty much all possible battery drains. Jul 09 16:17:37 It was in one of the more recent threads. Jul 09 16:17:57 * johnx searches Jul 09 16:20:28 define "recent" Jul 09 16:20:36 last couple months? last couple days? Jul 09 16:20:58 Last month Jul 09 16:21:04 Probably on users Jul 09 16:21:10 aaah Jul 09 16:21:11 url? Jul 09 16:21:36 that's what we're trying to find Jul 09 16:22:04 GeneralAntilles, better like so: http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount ? Jul 09 16:22:27 Ah, much better. Jul 09 16:22:46 I'd personally put the copyright down in the gray footer on the bottom Jul 09 16:22:49 But that's just me. ;) Jul 09 16:22:57 erhm Jul 09 16:23:03 it is supposed to be there Jul 09 16:23:06 what are you seeing ? Jul 09 16:24:13 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/cartech-webkit.jpg Jul 09 16:24:36 whoa Jul 09 16:24:42 * qwerty12 sees it in the footer Jul 09 16:25:15 I'm seeing it about where GA is seeing it Jul 09 16:25:23 ff3 Jul 09 16:25:25 on windows Jul 09 16:25:29 yeah, when I view it in fullscreen I notice it's not down there Jul 09 16:25:42 Hmm, I'm using ff3 on windows and I can see the copyright in the grey area :/ Jul 09 16:25:49 :P http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fundercity.doesntexist.com%2F%7Ecrashanddie%2Fcphp%2Findex.php%2Fclient%2FcreateAccount&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 Jul 09 16:26:01 GeneralAntilles, there are a lot of threads where eero talks about battery stuff, see if the one you want is here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=maemo;do=search_results;search_forum=forum_2;search_string=eero%20battery;search_type=AND&sb=post_time Jul 09 16:26:07 Ha Jul 09 16:26:33 copyright stay the same distance from other elements of the form as I resize my window up and down Jul 09 16:26:46 I can get it in the gray area if I make my window short enough Jul 09 16:26:56 "grey" isn't a valid CSS color, either. Jul 09 16:27:35 GREY > GRAY Jul 09 16:27:49 all you "a" lovers can shove it Jul 09 16:27:56 E is the way to go! Jul 09 16:28:01 if you're cool that is Jul 09 16:28:08 GeneralAntilles, you'll note 954 errors come from a weird binary output :D Jul 09 16:28:10 and we all want to be cool now don't we? Jul 09 16:29:02 crashanddie, still not compliant via direct input. Jul 09 16:29:15 :D Jul 09 16:31:01 Crap, johnx, I don't see it. :\ Jul 09 16:31:04 Maybe I imagined it. . . . Jul 09 16:31:17 I mean, there's a lot of good stuff Jul 09 16:31:35 a couple months ago on dev he talks about attaching to processes with strace to see if they're polling Jul 09 16:31:47 that's easy enough for power users I think Jul 09 16:32:00 Good candidate for a wiki article, anyway. Jul 09 16:32:12 the big battery drain is probably modest dying in a bad way Jul 09 16:32:24 I was seeing that a lot til I switched to chinook modest... Jul 09 16:32:40 Modest, metalayer-crawler, corrupt cards and cpu-hungry home applets tend to be up there. Jul 09 16:32:51 statusbar applets Jul 09 16:32:57 I haven't seen that. Jul 09 16:33:03 some of the different CPU and load meters are likely a problem Jul 09 16:33:03 Though I don't really play with a lot of those. Jul 09 16:33:14 though ltrace is more verbose than strace :) Jul 09 16:33:40 jott, all we need to see is whether it's doing something Jul 09 16:33:44 GeneralAntilles: should we try to work on bugs.maemo? Jul 09 16:34:34 yeah in the end an oprofile enabled kernel should clear out much more ;) Jul 09 16:34:44 timely, what'd you have in mind? Jul 09 16:34:57 you can get an oprofile kernel from the diablo sdk repo :) Jul 09 16:34:59 well, trying to flesh out enough from garage so that we could turn it on ;) Jul 09 16:38:24 * iDS slaps zap around a bit with a large trout Jul 09 16:38:27 :D Jul 09 16:38:33 hi zap Jul 09 16:39:30 validates now, you bastards :P Jul 09 16:40:13 Well, it validates. :P Jul 09 16:40:20 Copyright is still in the wrong place, though. Jul 09 16:40:31 yeah, I know, gimme a sec Jul 09 16:42:04 jott: really, Nokia should ship an oprofile enabled kernel so that a third party GUI version of powertop can be written to help (power-)users diagnose bad apps Jul 09 16:42:35 Jaffa: there is an oprofile kernel available... Jul 09 16:43:06 kernel-diablo-oprofile Jul 09 16:43:08 timely, what about the template for the classifications when submitting new bugs? I'm thinking it should show a list of Maemo Software/Nokia/Website products then the Garage classification should be listed at the bottom (or top) and take you to a page of Garage products. Jul 09 16:43:16 I thought powertop relies on timer stats. Jul 09 16:43:30 yeah it won't help for powertop Jul 09 16:43:34 that sounds about right Jul 09 16:43:52 sadly, i can't remember when you can easily control sort order of classifications Jul 09 16:44:02 and i don't think i have local write access to bugzilla Jul 09 16:44:07 so i don't think i can make such a template Jul 09 16:44:19 Something to throw at guenther when he gets back from GUADEC Jul 09 16:44:36 GeneralAntilles, better now ? Jul 09 16:45:12 Close, but the text is right up against the bottom of the darker gray line. Jul 09 16:45:28 damn you 285" screeners Jul 09 16:45:48 lol Jul 09 16:46:03 How's the gray at the bottom implemented? Jul 09 16:46:18 ? Jul 09 16:46:36 timely, this: http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount Jul 09 16:47:08 GeneralAntilles, it's just a div and a

, but it relies on the floating sidebar Jul 09 16:49:43 GeneralAntilles: is the (c) supposed to be on gray or yellow? :) Jul 09 16:49:46 (or mixed...) Jul 09 16:49:58 gray Jul 09 16:50:00 below Jul 09 16:50:32 it's on yellow even on 1280x1024 Jul 09 16:50:41 although, i tested it on dual that :) Jul 09 16:50:48 Ah, I see. Jul 09 16:50:53 I though the footer styling was css. Jul 09 16:50:54 http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/images/img02.jpg Jul 09 16:50:55 It's an image. Jul 09 16:51:01 Do the footer in css Jul 09 16:51:08 Then have the copyright notice in that element. Jul 09 16:54:45 hey, can i use google earth on an n800? :) Jul 09 16:55:13 Has it been compiled for arm? Jul 09 16:55:27 Isn't it in Java? Jul 09 16:55:32 it isn't very fast on this eeepc Jul 09 16:55:45 you sure it isn't winPE? Jul 09 16:56:44 looks like it's .so's Jul 09 16:56:50 ah, it's Qt Jul 09 16:57:56 on a strcmp(a,b), what is == again? is it 0? Jul 09 16:58:03 yes Jul 09 16:58:20 also: lies! :P Jul 09 16:58:27 ^^^ unrelated Jul 09 16:59:16 that would be a fun language, somefunc() returns s'true or lies! Jul 09 17:00:43 Yes, No, FileNotFound is more common Jul 09 17:01:31 or rather True, False, FileNotFound. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx Jul 09 17:02:03 GeneralAntilles, good now ? Jul 09 17:02:20 no, not yet Jul 09 17:02:23 Hehe Jul 09 17:02:30 It's not on the bottom of the page yet. Jul 09 17:07:39 timely, what about something like this? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/new-bug-mockup.jpg Jul 09 17:08:01 kinda possible Jul 09 17:08:25 note that Website and ITVC want to not really be in "Maemo Software" Jul 09 17:08:39 Right Jul 09 17:08:57 How hard is it going to be to move the existing website bugs if the website components get upgrades to products? :\ Jul 09 17:09:29 it's not really too bad Jul 09 17:09:42 the complexity is affected by the version/tm matrix Jul 09 17:09:54 it's one move per version-tm pair Jul 09 17:11:03 crashanddie, probably want to set the content/body padding to only 20px on the top. Jul 09 17:11:45 re Jul 09 17:12:12 GeneralAntilles, check the footer, good for you ? Jul 09 17:12:37 #page { width: 978px; margin: 0 auto; padding: 20px 0; } should probably go padding: 20px 0 0 0; Jul 09 17:12:42 But otherwise good Jul 09 17:13:00 Just add a little padding onto the top of the copyright text. Jul 09 17:13:37 Hrm, actually, the footer is always 10px off the bottom of the screen Jul 09 17:13:39 have to scroll to it. Jul 09 17:14:48 crash, how broken should this site be Jul 09 17:15:11 crashanddie Jul 09 17:15:28 bleh Jul 09 17:15:31 I'm just trying shit out Jul 09 17:15:46 no thats ok, but before it goes live you might want to sort out the font Jul 09 17:16:02 Poor crashanddie Jul 09 17:16:02 i think the glyphs are all messed up, none of the words make sense :P Jul 09 17:16:07 bet he's wishing he never pasted that link. :P Jul 09 17:16:19 no that's fine, all input is welcome Jul 09 17:16:26 lcuk, how so ? Jul 09 17:17:10 well, im at a place where i assume its asking for a username and password, but it says "Adresse email : Mot de passe :" Jul 09 17:17:58 and how is that wrong ? Jul 09 17:18:10 the whole world should be in english! Jul 09 17:18:12 It's in French, duh! :D Jul 09 17:18:15 ah Jul 09 17:18:16 lol Jul 09 17:18:18 Damn you, johnx! Jul 09 17:18:24 like I said, not my problem, that's for the translation team Jul 09 17:18:48 there is a real missing page anyway - click lost password Jul 09 17:18:51 its 404 Jul 09 17:19:23 the rest looks good though, gen is right the (C) is offpage Jul 09 17:19:55 is that always wanted even if you resize the page? Jul 09 17:24:09 lcuk, I started working on the interface this morning :P Jul 09 17:24:14 so yeah, not everything's there yet Jul 09 17:24:38 anyway, i gotta go make some food Jul 09 17:24:44 bbl Jul 09 17:24:51 cya later :) Jul 09 17:24:57 and for the footer Jul 09 17:25:00 it's starting to piss me off Jul 09 17:25:06 ~lart ISP firewalls Jul 09 17:25:06 * infobot beats ISP firewalls into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Jul 09 17:25:44 the server my ISP is in the andromeda galaxy anyway Jul 09 17:25:44 ah, infobot, if only it were that simple... Jul 09 17:26:03 so, how's the lag? Jul 09 17:26:04 * lcuk adds a uses Jul 09 17:26:17 lcuk, do you recieve programmes from there too? Jul 09 17:27:26 so, something like 2.53 million years of lag (assuming no crappy routers on the way) Jul 09 17:28:09 johnx, its really quick, only 42 years pingtime. Jul 09 17:28:32 heh, you kids and your fancing quantum entanglement routers and wormholes Jul 09 17:29:00 sod that, when i was a kid i sent out a ping message, still waiting for a reply Jul 09 17:29:45 * Received a CTCP PING 1215624541 from E.T. Jul 09 17:30:17 yeah, but in plain old einstein physics, limited to C it should take you 5.06 million years or so after you send a ping to get a pong Jul 09 17:30:34 shame einstein didnt know about c++ Jul 09 17:30:44 :D Jul 09 17:31:15 but we all know that c++ is slower than c...so Jul 09 17:31:46 I guess tightly coded ASM is pretty much the fastest speed in the galaxy Jul 09 17:31:54 but its easier to get C wrong and end up falling into a black hole Jul 09 17:33:33 well, yeah sure, but c++ will appear to work, then when you run it it'll end up going back in time to prevent you from being born Jul 09 17:34:02 crashanddie, ping. Jul 09 17:34:39 johnx, it cant prevent you from being born, but could relink itself so it ends up as its own parent Jul 09 17:35:07 heh Jul 09 17:35:55 lcuk: BTW, it's coArse - and I got the feeling you weren't old enough to remember the proper bounty adverts... Jul 09 17:36:05 damn! Jul 09 17:36:12 you know how bad i am at spelling Jul 09 17:36:22 For something that is seemingly so simple and straightforward on the surface, CSS is really a sonuvabitch to get to do what you want. Jul 09 17:36:40 lbt, i also couldnt find the actual advert text to copy from Jul 09 17:37:04 was it a good retort though? :D Jul 09 17:37:23 not bad - needed piccies of the original bounty girls... Jul 09 17:37:37 timer - that's tea.... l8r Jul 09 17:37:46 google image search has some from i think newer adverts Jul 09 17:37:48 cya Jul 09 17:44:43 X-Fade: how much time passes before my SSH key gets activated? Jul 09 17:47:52 GeneralAntilles, how much trouble will i get into for annoying Benson in the forum? Jul 09 17:48:12 "Trouble"? :P Jul 09 17:48:16 define: "annoying" Jul 09 17:48:28 ^ Jul 09 17:48:30 too Jul 09 17:48:47 are we talking disagreement or purposeful harassment Jul 09 17:48:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21736&page=2 Jul 09 17:48:59 and since I know you, I imagine the former :) Jul 09 17:49:19 Oh, pfft. Jul 09 17:50:14 bleh, stupid problems call for stupid workarounds :/ Jul 09 17:51:20 * johnx serves up an sshfs mount over http Jul 09 17:51:21 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like creating a GNOME bugzilla account to see what their bug submission setup looks like. Jul 09 17:53:03 Stupid GUADEC and Finnish holiday. . . . Jul 09 17:53:33 i havent even started my holiday yet Jul 09 17:53:57 * johnx works on other peoples' holidays Jul 09 17:59:23 If I'm member of the extras group on garage, should I see it in the "My Projects" section on my page? Jul 09 18:13:09 Jaffa keeps depressing me with this stuff: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-July/000446.html Jul 09 18:13:51 Hey, lardman. :) Jul 09 18:14:00 hi GeneralAntilles Jul 09 18:18:57 GeneralAntilles, someone in amongst your optimization post i know you thought of me :D Jul 09 18:19:03 somewhere ^ Jul 09 18:19:27 Hehe Jul 09 18:19:38 Well, you, and Wozniak Jul 09 18:20:28 woz has an n8x0? Jul 09 18:20:48 lcuk, :P Jul 09 18:20:55 i thought he had a hacked iphone Jul 09 18:21:32 Nah, I'm thinking arcade stuff back in the 80s. ;) Jul 09 18:21:46 heck, even apple stuff was pretty crazy Jul 09 18:22:02 wasn't the "floppy disk that couldn't seek to inside track" his trick? Jul 09 18:41:17 is there a AIM client for maemo? Jul 09 18:41:32 pidgin and rtcomm beta come to mind Jul 09 18:41:41 I haven't tried either recently Jul 09 18:42:28 any idea if they do video? Jul 09 18:42:38 probably neither Jul 09 18:42:51 amsn does video, but that's obviously not AIM Jul 09 18:42:53 that would be a pretty hot app. Jul 09 18:42:57 dougt, find yourself the Collabora repo on gronmayer. Jul 09 18:43:12 looking.... Jul 09 18:43:40 Install the account-plugin-haze and and telepathy-haze packages from that. Jul 09 18:43:54 That'll give you AIM with the built-in chat client without having to take the rtcomm beta step. Jul 09 18:43:56 No video, though. Jul 09 18:45:50 * johnx sleeps Jul 09 18:45:56 'night Jul 09 18:52:53 Aloha! Jul 09 18:56:56 /j #ols Jul 09 19:05:31 Is there an alternative to pidgin for OS2008? Pidgin crashes quite often, taking the window manager with it and both destroying my desktop applets and resetting my status bar Jul 09 19:08:03 does not crash for me Jul 09 19:08:07 but you can use rtcomm Jul 09 19:11:41 oh no! i think i dugg myself down on my own profile page :S Jul 09 19:12:24 lol :p Jul 09 19:13:23 well i know what the box is for now, its a little ambiguous with no way of knowing what it does Jul 09 19:16:13 cjohnson: rtcomm Jul 09 19:16:34 ++ Jul 09 19:16:42 lardman, do I need any special repos for it? Jul 09 19:17:22 head to http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 09 19:17:27 Collabora Jul 09 19:17:28 and follow the instructions Jul 09 19:17:31 It's on gronmayer.com/it Jul 09 19:17:35 Don't bother with the rtcomm beta Jul 09 19:17:42 or do it GeneralAntilles's way, but that confused me Jul 09 19:17:47 haha Jul 09 19:17:52 Just get the accounts-plugin-haze and telepathy-haze plugin from the Collabora repo. Jul 09 19:17:57 lardman, you install two packages. :P Jul 09 19:17:58 Done. Jul 09 19:17:59 the packages you want to install have strange names, I went with the easy route ;) Jul 09 19:18:09 haha Jul 09 19:18:10 I didn't know the names! Jul 09 19:18:15 easy route installs avahi Jul 09 19:18:15 GeneralAntilles, i thought you wanted everything in extras and wanted to stop advertising others? Jul 09 19:18:16 "easy" Jul 09 19:18:24 but I went the easy route as well Jul 09 19:18:28 Where is the Collabora repo? Jul 09 19:18:33 gronmayer.com/it Jul 09 19:18:34 zeroconf is good Jul 09 19:18:41 ah Jul 09 19:18:58 lcuk, meh, I can't fight every repo. Jul 09 19:19:19 sure you can. you are the mighty GeneralAntilles. Jul 09 19:19:20 and it's one of those things that might conflict with system upgrades down the road. Jul 09 19:19:45 My "everything should be in Extras" mantra only applies to stuff that doesn't have a huge amount of breakage potential. Jul 09 19:20:12 Just to double check "chinook" for the distro (OS2008, not the diablo one though) and "user" components Jul 09 19:20:31 Just use the .install that's on there. Jul 09 19:21:09 * sp3000 used the diablo user bit Jul 09 19:21:20 * sp3000 hasn't actually tried using things since though Jul 09 19:21:58 * lcuk is still hung up on "breakage potential" Jul 09 19:22:14 GA: btw, found a UI bug with maemo.org ui Jul 09 19:22:48 GA: Clicking on one's own name (when logged in) brings up the account settings, not the account information Jul 09 19:23:41 The account information appears to be inly accessible if you go to edit account settings then find a Profile in the path at the top of the page and click it Jul 09 19:23:44 GeneralAntilles: I mentioned this this am but I don't think you were about... : ISTR people are looking at automating docs onto the wiki with annotation by discsussion page aren't they. Can I suggest they look at 'asciidoc' as a format. It was adopted by git (so very active + clever userbase!) and may be suitable: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ Jul 09 19:23:44 RST38h -> Bugzilla Jul 09 19:23:56 and what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon :( Jul 09 19:24:02 lbt, that would be the Nokia documentation team. Jul 09 19:24:13 I don't have any contact with them. Jul 09 19:24:15 I'll poke dneary about it, though. Jul 09 19:24:21 ah - thought you did Jul 09 19:24:38 GeneralAntilles: sounds painfull for dave Jul 09 19:24:41 lbt, gen *should* be Jul 09 19:25:01 he does enough coordinating and writing "for the cause" Jul 09 19:25:06 re Jul 09 19:25:11 \o Jul 09 19:25:38 Hey, Jaffa. Jul 09 19:25:48 Hehe, my Nokia contacts are mostly limited to Maemo Software people in here. ;) Jul 09 19:26:14 OK - I was just wondering about it for another project so thought I'd mention it... may not be appropriate - or it may be just the right hammer :) Jul 09 19:26:43 GeneralAntilles: sorry to depress you :-/. Re-reading the message, the grammar in there is atrocious. Jul 09 19:26:49 lcuk: "and what i thought was a comments icon was a "i hate this user" icon" <=== priceless Jul 09 19:27:03 bollox : *** glibc detected *** /home/david/maemo/tst/src/shopper: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080a9d88 *** Jul 09 19:27:20 * lbt mutters something about java Jul 09 19:27:39 live free or die hard? Jul 09 19:27:45 Eh, it's still way ahead of the curve, Jaffa. :D Jul 09 19:27:46 GeneralAntilles, alright, installed both now. Is this meant to fix pidgin? Or enhance that built in client for the OS? or is it a new client? Jul 09 19:27:49 [automatically] javamustdie Jul 09 19:27:54 RST38h, not my fault Jul 09 19:28:08 cjohnson, it adds AIM/Yahoo/MSN support to the built-in chat client. Jul 09 19:28:16 GeneralAntilles: sorry, what is? Jul 09 19:28:23 The grammar in that message. Jul 09 19:28:26 GeneralAntilles, perfect, awesome Jul 09 19:28:34 GeneralAntilles: oh, ta Jul 09 19:28:39 * Jaffa foods Jul 09 19:29:02 Oh, crap, nevermind. apt-get install account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze returned this: http://pastebin.com/d7bf8b21d Jul 09 19:29:27 install-tools? Jul 09 19:29:28 Er Jul 09 19:29:39 That looks like a leftover from something else. Jul 09 19:29:48 cjohnson, expand that a bit to include the whole action log from command line through please Jul 09 19:30:06 a couple of lines doesnt give great context Jul 09 19:30:34 http://pastebin.com/d31543842 Jul 09 19:30:39 * lcuk swandives into the bath Jul 09 19:31:10 * GAN800 gets a halo for lcuk's broken neck. Jul 09 19:31:18 thanks Jul 09 19:32:28 lol . . . MicroB stoll focus _5_ times while I was trying to type that. Jul 09 19:32:38 GA: Proper halo should hover Jul 09 19:33:23 So, any idea what the install-tools bit is about? Jul 09 19:34:10 try apt-get clean && apt-get -f install Jul 09 19:35:02 qwerty12_N800, http://pastebin.com/d43a54597 Jul 09 19:35:16 do you have space on / ? Jul 09 19:35:29 yeah Jul 09 19:35:41 It's got 1.5GB free I think Jul 09 19:36:08 dpkg --purge --force-all install-tools Jul 09 19:36:25 maybe the package has agoraphobia then :P Jul 09 19:36:35 heh Jul 09 19:37:03 qwerty12_N800, woo, no longer does it Jul 09 19:37:07 What is install-tools, anyway? Jul 09 19:37:24 something from penguinbait's stuff iirc Jul 09 19:37:38 ah, yes. Jul 09 19:37:48 for copying my os to the internal mc Jul 09 19:38:51 Ok, one last question...may be possible or not. Is there a way to lock the applets on my desktop? I've finally been able to position them all perfectly, as hard as it is with the stylus, but occasionally they get moved around accidentally Jul 09 19:41:36 Hrm, how do I actually chat using that built in client? Jul 09 19:41:58 I've added accounts but see no where for like a list of buddies Jul 09 19:42:11 Contacts applet has everything Jul 09 19:42:16 or see the stuff in the application menu. . . . Jul 09 19:44:10 The accounts are connected, however the contact list says I have no contacts Jul 09 19:44:22 Do I have to tell it to download them from like the AIM server? Jul 09 19:49:37 qwerty12_N800: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-4_armel.deb Jul 09 19:49:54 rm_you, thanks! :) Jul 09 19:50:17 thanks to jott joining the team, it now supports rotation :P and is like 100% more awesome Jul 09 19:50:36 i'll set up rotation too as well :) Jul 09 19:50:38 So, nobody knows? How can I actually chat using this? My contacts don't yet exist, is there something I must do to download them from the erver? Jul 09 19:50:42 so, is there some guide as to how to use those two targets (386 and ARMEL)? Jul 09 19:51:07 cjohnson: did you already have buddies on that AIM account's list? Jul 09 19:51:21 like, do they show up in Pidgin? Jul 09 19:51:25 rm_you, I have buddies attached to the AIM account, yeah Jul 09 19:51:27 rm_you, yeah, they do Jul 09 19:51:33 hrm weird Jul 09 19:51:40 rm_you, but not in the contact list after adding account-plugin-haze Jul 09 19:51:41 dunno, i only ever use pidgin on n800 :P Jul 09 19:51:49 like I can manually add them and it works Jul 09 19:51:53 odd Jul 09 19:52:36 yeah. Jul 09 19:52:44 who else wants to beta test the new and improved advanced-backlight before it hits extras? :P Jul 09 19:53:04 rm_you, This is that status icon that replaces volume and backlight with a single dialog right? Jul 09 19:53:25 yes Jul 09 19:53:27 the adv-backlight team = awesome. i'm thankful your work is oss as it's much more like an nokia applet. dunno why nokia are such p***** when it comes to the source of their applets ».« Jul 09 19:53:30 I'll try it :D Jul 09 19:53:46 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-4_armel.deb Jul 09 19:54:04 having jott on the team is going to help immensely :P Jul 09 19:54:12 plus, now you have THREE people to bug :P Jul 09 19:54:17 Any special instructions since I already have it installed? Jul 09 19:54:42 i would recommend purging it Jul 09 19:54:57 if you are comfortable with terminal... dpkg --purge advanced-backlight Jul 09 19:55:01 then install it Jul 09 19:55:14 alright Jul 09 19:55:18 rm_you, does it still use dsmetool then? (i remember jott saying he traced dsme calls) Jul 09 19:55:19 erk Jul 09 19:55:25 warning: don't use the rotation part yet :P Jul 09 19:55:35 qwerty12_N800: no, this version does it directly with dsme sockets Jul 09 19:55:49 aww, how come (about rotation)? Jul 09 19:55:51 Yes, the button that seems to have the A oriented for normal is set to whatever the current rotation is. Jul 09 19:55:51 So you can't get back to normal once you change it. Jul 09 19:55:51 lolpwnt Jul 09 19:55:52 cool :) Jul 09 19:56:05 haha Jul 09 19:56:15 this is why its beta :P Jul 09 19:56:21 (i'd have just used xrandr though ;)) Jul 09 19:56:28 lol yeah Jul 09 19:58:04 anyone intrested in mirroring that Rotate.zip diablo package of mine :/ Jul 09 19:58:10 oh shit :( Jul 09 19:58:12 I can do it Jul 09 19:58:18 qwerty12_N800: link me Jul 09 19:58:21 i'll mirror it Jul 09 19:58:23 qwerty12_N800, you should push rotation to Extra-devel. Jul 09 19:58:27 in two places :P Jul 09 19:58:41 rm_you, thanks, i'll search it up :) Jul 09 19:58:42 dont you mean you'll rotate it Jul 09 19:58:47 You can do a meta-package for it, right? Jul 09 19:59:25 GeneralAntilles, hmm, i'd find it a bit risky in extras (xserver + kernel gets replaced) Jul 09 19:59:31 Extra-devel Jul 09 19:59:32 Not Extras Jul 09 19:59:35 heh Jul 09 19:59:48 It's perfect there. Jul 09 19:59:52 LOL @ a .postinstall script that flashes the kernel :P Jul 09 19:59:54 Hrm, my libglib2, libhildondesktop0, libhildonwm0, libosso1 packages are all not late enough versions. How can I update those? Jul 09 20:00:00 also i cheated with the deb package to keep osso-soft-version happy Jul 09 20:00:18 cjohnson: ah are you running diablo? Jul 09 20:00:25 rm_you, no, chinook Jul 09 20:00:25 rm_you, why not, people have been suggesting doing something like that to get ubuntu on windows Jul 09 20:00:51 lcuk: lolwut? Jul 09 20:00:58 qwerty12_N800, depend on osso-software-version-unlocked Jul 09 20:01:34 rm_you, repalcing the windows kernel with upgraded ubuntu one ;) Jul 09 20:01:49 -typos Jul 09 20:02:07 GeneralAntilles, but i'd have no way of telling which device it's being installed on. -unlocked is model specific. Jul 09 20:02:09 rm_you, any suggestions for the dependencies? Jul 09 20:02:41 cjohnson: either upgrade to diablo (flash...) or give me a sec to fix it on my side Jul 09 20:02:48 k Jul 09 20:03:04 qwerty12_N800, hrm, can you do any sort of logic for dependencies? Jul 09 20:04:14 cjohnson: can you do me a favor and tell me what version they ARE? Jul 09 20:04:30 GeneralAntilles, Only thing I can think of is the "|" but that wouldn't help me much. i'll look at the debian packaging guide later. Jul 09 20:04:42 rm_you, http://rapidshare.com/files/125096576/Rotate.zip.html thank you Jul 09 20:04:47 rm_you, http://pastebin.com/d25db61ad Jul 09 20:05:06 qwerty12_N800, I guess you could do an N800 and N810 package if it came down to it. Jul 09 20:05:19 rotation-support-n800 Jul 09 20:06:14 True, I guess that would work. Jul 09 20:06:36 Anyway, it's definitely something I think you should do. :P Jul 09 20:06:56 You need to get over your fear of repositories, and that'd be a good first step. :D Jul 09 20:07:06 :) Jul 09 20:08:40 qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/Rotate.zip and http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Rotate.zip Jul 09 20:08:49 first is prolly fastest Jul 09 20:09:04 rm_you, thank you very much :) Jul 09 20:09:29 np Jul 09 20:09:44 i have so much bandwidth i'm not using there... Jul 09 20:09:52 i can mirror all kinds of stuff >_> Jul 09 20:09:56 re Jul 09 20:10:00 (as long as its legal :P) Jul 09 20:11:22 hehe, in that case, i have nothing else to offer :p Jul 09 20:12:55 I could easily upload to extras the xserver-xomap, jott's rotate plug-in (although I guess adv-backlight will be replacing it), libxrandr but the real fun starts with the kernel :/ Jul 09 20:13:59 Hrm, well, actually. Jul 09 20:14:13 That would work well enough. Jul 09 20:14:22 Having MOST of the parts in Extras is better than none of the parts. Jul 09 20:14:55 The account-plugin-haze and/or telepathy-haze packages are messed up for me...for some reason I get the services added to my list of possible protocols and I am able to talk to people through them, but the icons for each protocol isn't installed (http://picasaweb.google.com/anidel/N800RTCOMMBeta2/photo#5151543090284168274 and http://picasaweb.google.com/anidel/N800RTCOMMBeta2/photo#5151292122460161090 have the icons I'm talking about...I ju Jul 09 20:14:55 st don't have those icons) plus my contact list isn't populated from the server (I have to manually add each of my already existing contacts). I've tried apt-get remove --purge account-plugin-haze & the same for telepathy-haze and reinstalling but I get the same results. Any ideas what's going on? Jul 09 20:15:07 ...wow that was a bit longer than I anticipated. Jul 09 20:15:11 lol Jul 09 20:15:21 Gotta update the icon cache Jul 09 20:15:29 how do I do that? Jul 09 20:15:39 gtk-update-icon-cache Jul 09 20:15:50 gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor Jul 09 20:16:06 Restarting is the other option. ;) Jul 09 20:16:12 not necessarily Jul 09 20:16:19 i restarted like 5 times and it never did it for me Jul 09 20:16:28 same here Jul 09 20:16:29 And for the contact list? Jul 09 20:16:32 Well, OK, it SHOULD reindex with a reboot. Jul 09 20:16:39 it *doesn't* >_> Jul 09 20:16:48 Icons work now, thanks :D Jul 09 20:17:26 cjohnson / qwerty12_N800 / anyone: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-5_armel.deb Jul 09 20:17:35 includes rotation fix (maybe?) Jul 09 20:17:59 rm_you, are the dependencies modified? Jul 09 20:18:05 yes Jul 09 20:18:13 i cannot test the rotation atm :) Jul 09 20:18:24 * GeneralAntilles is scared to test rotation. Jul 09 20:18:31 lol Jul 09 20:18:44 its ok Jul 09 20:18:52 Will test in a moment Jul 09 20:18:54 installing. . . . Jul 09 20:19:05 Haven't seen any more volume crashes so far. Jul 09 20:19:07 Anybody have any suggestions for getting it get my contacts from the server? Jul 09 20:19:09 is rotation a standard deb now? Jul 09 20:19:10 the worst that could happen is that you and your entire family could be kidnapped by russians and held hostage for the world's biggest wheel of cheddar Jul 09 20:19:13 What is the IM client actually called? Jul 09 20:19:15 ooh rotation :) Jul 09 20:19:22 lbt :) Jul 09 20:19:29 but that's very unlikely Jul 09 20:19:29 rtcomm Jul 09 20:19:33 Shopper handles rotation :) Jul 09 20:19:35 your shopper will suit a different perspective Jul 09 20:19:40 GeneralAntilles thank you, it worked. Jul 09 20:19:40 lol Jul 09 20:19:44 (well it did in 2007) Jul 09 20:19:45 lcuk, it's just installing 4 or 5 debs. Jul 09 20:19:47 "handles" as in ui drawn rotated already? Jul 09 20:19:52 Shopper? :P Jul 09 20:19:54 i thought there was a kernel flash Jul 09 20:19:54 lcuk, if you count my 4 debs as standard :/ Jul 09 20:19:58 no - it works if you have xrandr Jul 09 20:19:59 there is Jul 09 20:20:07 and I want to detect xrandr and trigger it Jul 09 20:20:10 oh, qwerty12_N800 its your debs. those are *never* standard :D Jul 09 20:20:14 as appropriate Jul 09 20:20:17 * GeneralAntilles doesn't recall what he told siddyz to do. Jul 09 20:20:25 But, uh, you're welcome. :) Jul 09 20:20:32 lcuk, :p Jul 09 20:20:50 lcuk, the kernel part is handled by a deb Jul 09 20:20:57 lbt :) liqbase can load and render fonts at (so far) 0 and 90 degrees Jul 09 20:21:18 rm_you, nope, still unmet dependencies :( Jul 09 20:21:19 thats good then, so its not a linux partition, running flasher with strange chants any more Jul 09 20:21:23 cjohnson: what now!? >_> Jul 09 20:21:24 No change on rotation, rm_you. Jul 09 20:21:29 GeneralAntilles: :( Jul 09 20:21:44 Actually, one sec. Jul 09 20:21:46 rm_you, http://pastebin.com/d1744ab07 Jul 09 20:21:47 Let me make sure. Jul 09 20:21:47 it still greys one out? Jul 09 20:22:05 Rotation fixed. Jul 09 20:22:09 but if rotation is a simple nobrainer process then ill strip out all the crap code and just roll with it Jul 09 20:22:14 Though I had already reloaded the applet. :D Jul 09 20:22:16 rm_you: Shopper is my 'so remind me about C/C++/gtk/gtkmm/qt/dbus again' application Jul 09 20:22:22 heh Jul 09 20:22:37 lol Jul 09 20:22:46 chinooks extar Jul 09 20:22:49 extras even Jul 09 20:22:55 lbt: no fair, i was making a shopping list app as my "so remind me about python/sqlite/gtk" application >_> Jul 09 20:22:56 some people write "hello world!" programs to test a language/device, lbt writes shopper ;) Jul 09 20:23:06 PyShop >_> Jul 09 20:23:12 mmmmmmm pie Jul 09 20:23:14 competition!!!! Jul 09 20:23:16 exactly :P Jul 09 20:23:19 I love the name Jul 09 20:23:29 you have a garage project? Jul 09 20:23:32 * lcuk makes a handwritten shopping list program Jul 09 20:23:48 * lcuk screws it up and throws it in the trolley after putting the bags away Jul 09 20:23:51 * cjohnson just writes his shopping list on paper and throws it away afterward... Jul 09 20:24:18 not yet - I have zaurusShopper on sourceforge Jul 09 20:24:32 fuck, i opened the applet while installing and hildon-desktop shitted out on me >.< Jul 09 20:24:34 cjohnson, :) mine is probably the closest to doing that of anything - ive got dinner order lists from weeks ago floating around in amongst all my diary entries Jul 09 20:24:39 Well.. I have a garage project already! so ha! :P Jul 09 20:24:48 its wonderful remembering just how many little things need 5 minute reminders Jul 09 20:24:50 qwerty12_N800: lol Jul 09 20:24:55 so have i Jul 09 20:25:07 and its open source :P Jul 09 20:25:12 I thought I'd get it to do stuff - then register Jul 09 20:25:17 lol Jul 09 20:25:23 qwerty12's got to reset his spinner applets. Jul 09 20:25:28 I thought i'd come up with a name and register... THEN get it to do stuff :P Jul 09 20:25:31 * lcuk likes to doodle Jul 09 20:25:31 I wanted SVN first Jul 09 20:26:00 ... Jul 09 20:26:23 i thought i'd let david spend a few years building up his little shopper empire then grow it by adding rotation buttons and make it look like nokia dialog :P Jul 09 20:26:33 so in one day, we took advanced-backlight and completely merged it with a rotation applet, and it is already more stable (or so it seems) :P Jul 09 20:26:49 rofl Jul 09 20:26:59 rm_you, except it won't install for me :( Jul 09 20:27:01 rm_you, the icons don't really make sense for rotation, though. Jul 09 20:27:03 you know - we *should* be discussing methods to make *all* our software better Jul 09 20:27:10 cjohnson: that's odd... give me a minute Jul 09 20:27:15 rm_you, sure Jul 09 20:27:32 dougt: gizmo supports video :) Jul 09 20:27:40 lbt - ill take notes, you write a todo list, and rm, you just sit there on dim Jul 09 20:28:16 GeneralAntilles, would you write the documentation for us all pretty please? :D Jul 09 20:28:21 rm_you, normal and inverted (the first and third buttons) need to be swapped and left and right (the second and fourth buttons) need to be swapped. Jul 09 20:28:26 lcuk, for what? Jul 09 20:28:28 erk k Jul 09 20:28:31 Oh Jul 09 20:28:35 all our softwares :D Jul 09 20:28:36 The shopper application? Jul 09 20:28:36 rtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update? Jul 09 20:28:39 Oh, anything? Jul 09 20:28:40 Sure Jul 09 20:28:44 timely: thanks.. Jul 09 20:28:45 I'm pretty decent at it, I think. Jul 09 20:28:53 i agree Jul 09 20:29:02 brb Jul 09 20:29:15 lcuk, I was gonna offer to do a website for liqbase if you were interested. Jul 09 20:29:19 http://zaurus-shopper.sourceforge.net/ together with usage guide Jul 09 20:29:24 bah where is this pulling its depends from Jul 09 20:29:38 what generates advanced-backlight.substvars Jul 09 20:29:46 timely, adv-backlight finally has a proper container. :D Jul 09 20:29:57 :) i would be honoured GeneralAntilles, does the garage provide a bit of webspace or would i put it on a proper domain Jul 09 20:30:19 lcuk, create a www folder on svn Jul 09 20:30:31 liqbase.garage.maemo.org will point there. Jul 09 20:30:32 ahhh ok Jul 09 20:30:57 You can either give me commit access and I'll maintain it or I can just put it all together and hand maintenance off to you. Whichever suits you. Jul 09 20:31:09 but first - where has "openselectedlinks" firefox extension gone? i upgraded to ff3 this week and its missing and phun.org has 16 funny pictures to click Jul 09 20:31:28 gan: i think qwerty could have x-meta depends x-rx44 | x-rx34; x-rx44 depends 44meta Jul 09 20:31:31 i'll get you committed Jul 09 20:32:20 Sounds like a good plan, lcuk. :D Jul 09 20:32:36 lbt, was the zaurus stylus based as well then or finger touch? Jul 09 20:32:39 lcuk: you're right... we SHOULD get GeneralAntilles committed :P Jul 09 20:32:42 stylus Jul 09 20:32:51 * rm_you kinda misses his collie Jul 09 20:32:55 ok 'Shopper' registration sent in... Jul 09 20:33:01 I used to use Shopper on my Z :P Jul 09 20:33:05 yep - collie based Jul 09 20:33:07 it takes upto 48 hours Jul 09 20:33:09 seriously? Jul 09 20:33:15 yeah Jul 09 20:33:18 nice :) Jul 09 20:33:40 Well, you may find this somewhat familiar!!! Jul 09 20:33:45 indeed Jul 09 20:34:03 now... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars Jul 09 20:34:16 * lbt goes back to work Jul 09 20:34:56 lbt :) work is such a strange name for puzzle solving hobby Jul 09 20:34:56 rm_you, my expert analysis says. a process. Jul 09 20:35:01 <_< Jul 09 20:35:02 or a task Jul 09 20:35:03 * lbt is hungry 'cos he won't go shopping until it's done - and he's gonna run out of milk in the morning....!!! Eeek!!! Jul 09 20:35:15 lbt: yeah i was gonna do that Jul 09 20:35:22 then i went three days with nothing but cheese and water Jul 09 20:35:31 and i gave up Jul 09 20:35:34 mmm cheese Jul 09 20:35:37 yeah... Jul 09 20:35:40 GeneralAntilles, i gather you have run and played with the released version Jul 09 20:35:43 one 2lb block of cheddar Jul 09 20:35:46 for three days Jul 09 20:35:50 and water. Jul 09 20:35:54 mmmm water! Jul 09 20:35:57 <_< Jul 09 20:36:10 * lcuk is going to attempt something unheard of tonight. im gonna try and make a package!!!! Jul 09 20:36:24 lcuk, of liqbase? Whatever the last zip you tossed out was. Jul 09 20:36:30 yer Jul 09 20:36:32 I made a package before I wrote any code - glad I did!!! Jul 09 20:36:41 * lbt goes back to work for real now Jul 09 20:36:45 i dont even know if its possible on the device Jul 09 20:36:48 cya later lbt Jul 09 20:37:48 ok, back shortly - gen do you mind holding off until i make a package so its easier to do and you also have to apply for my project dont you Jul 09 20:38:00 Will do that. Jul 09 20:38:03 I'll start a draft Jul 09 20:38:05 excellent Jul 09 20:38:06 arrgh! osso-statusbar-cpu + sp-error-visualiser = a *lot* of balloon popups >.< Jul 09 20:38:09 * lcuk rubs hands together Jul 09 20:38:11 But I wont post anything until I get the go-ahead. ;) Jul 09 20:38:26 wicked, thanks gen Jul 09 20:38:55 back soon (hopefully bearing .deb) Jul 09 20:38:59 grrr Jul 09 20:39:06 entirely failing at changing the depends on my deb Jul 09 20:39:07 >_< Jul 09 20:39:32 rm_you, how do you deal with versioning - does your application hold a version number inside it, or is it entirely done via the package Jul 09 20:39:40 lol, how'd you fail at that? Jul 09 20:39:48 lcuk: debian/changelog Jul 09 20:39:55 so, what's the deal with the two targets in the sdk? Jul 09 20:39:55 it sets the version based on that Jul 09 20:40:05 lcuk, probably useful: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf Jul 09 20:40:09 386 and armel Jul 09 20:40:10 so the application itself doesnt actually know what version it is Jul 09 20:40:34 yer i know gen, this is before that though i think Jul 09 20:40:42 ty for link Jul 09 20:41:05 * lcuk wonders how to do an "about" screen which usually shows version number Jul 09 20:41:14 Xamusk, 386 is for testing in scratchbox and armel is for deploying to the device. Jul 09 20:41:21 lcuk, it wouldn't need to tbh, applets are designed to save space Jul 09 20:41:23 lcuk: just have to change it in two places Jul 09 20:41:33 GeneralAntilles, but in practice I can use both to develop? Jul 09 20:41:36 lcuk: put a #DEFINE or something Jul 09 20:41:46 Xamusk, sure. Jul 09 20:42:05 GeneralAntilles, but how do I switch targets? my scratchbox defaults to armel Jul 09 20:42:07 so, versioning is *urgh* manual? Jul 09 20:42:16 lcuk: pretty much Jul 09 20:42:22 oh shi... Jul 09 20:42:29 theres a command you're supposed to be using to update the changelog automatically for you Jul 09 20:42:34 but i just do it by hand Jul 09 20:42:57 now... WTF IS GENERATING debian/advanced-backlight.substvars Jul 09 20:42:59 lcuk, you may want to keep some of fiferboy's packages on-hand for examples. He uses most of the dialogs and popups in Application manager at some point or another. Jul 09 20:43:02 grrrr Jul 09 20:43:07 hmmm, ill go and see if i can get a build number incremented when i actually build Jul 09 20:43:23 lcuk: simple sed command should do it :P Jul 09 20:43:27 GeneralAntilles, i cant use any standard dialogs in liqbase - on the overlay Jul 09 20:44:19 rtcomm won't download any of my contacts from the server - aim, yim, or msn - but otherwise works fine. What do I need to do to get them to update? Jul 09 20:44:22 rm, how's this for a start: http://pastebin.com/d5d5e3868 ? Jul 09 20:45:14 win? :P Jul 09 20:45:23 change the last one to (probably?) Jul 09 20:45:32 :P Jul 09 20:45:37 GeneralAntilles, I'll give you $5 per annum if you use slexy :P Jul 09 20:46:19 so, how do I change scratchbox targets? Jul 09 20:46:24 sb-menu Jul 09 20:46:27 sb-menu Jul 09 20:46:31 you're slow Jul 09 20:46:35 :p Jul 09 20:46:50 crashanddie, what is slexy? Jul 09 20:46:53 and why would I use it? Jul 09 20:46:55 GeneralAntilles, pastebin service Jul 09 20:46:59 just cuz it's hawt Jul 09 20:47:38 * GeneralAntilles shrugs Jul 09 20:47:39 OK Jul 09 20:47:44 :D Jul 09 20:48:00 http://slexy.org/view/s21AN6fozb :P Jul 09 20:48:05 nice Jul 09 20:48:14 lcuk, http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html is a good one to look at too Jul 09 20:48:39 rm_you, think of any I'm missing? Jul 09 20:49:14 Oh, internal stuff Jul 09 20:49:15 dsme. Jul 09 20:49:52 http://slexy.org/view/s21zH2fAE1 Jul 09 20:51:06 Fix the buttons for rotation so I can start grabbing screenshots. Jul 09 20:51:15 swap them you mean? Jul 09 20:51:19 Yeah Jul 09 20:51:28 which ones again? Jul 09 20:51:44 swap left and right with each other, then swap normal and inverted with each other Jul 09 20:51:54 1st <-> 3rd, 2nd <-> 4th Jul 09 20:52:04 hrm Jul 09 20:52:10 not 100% sure HOW but i'll try Jul 09 20:52:18 Hehe Jul 09 20:57:30 qwerty12_N800: you about? Jul 09 20:57:42 lardman, yeah Jul 09 20:57:59 qwerty12_N800: how do you build the N810 kernel as opposed to the N800 kernel? Jul 09 20:58:29 lardman, stock kernel? Jul 09 20:58:44 yeah, just doing the dvfs patch for the DSP Jul 09 20:58:49 GeneralAntilles: ok here comes a RANDOM shot in the dark... i guarantee NOTHING! :P Jul 09 20:58:59 I demand EVERYTHING! Jul 09 20:59:04 We're a perfect pair! :D Jul 09 20:59:22 qwerty12_N800: I was going for a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d" as there's a debian dir Jul 09 20:59:25 GeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.10-6_armel.deb Jul 09 20:59:42 qwerty12_N800: though I've just got an error from doing that: /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files Jul 09 21:00:16 lardman, that debian dir sucks :/ Jul 09 21:00:28 i just made it the normal way :/ Jul 09 21:00:28 These ever increasing build numbers make me wonder what Nokia goes through with stuff like 42-19 and 22-21. Jul 09 21:00:50 as long as it's not 14-18 and 39-45 Jul 09 21:01:16 lardman, as long as you use nokia_2420_defconfig, it works on both the n8*0's Jul 09 21:01:21 14-18... 39-45... 09-19... wait... WHAT? Jul 09 21:01:27 i should tack on an osso9-23 on just for kicks Jul 09 21:01:40 Hehe Jul 09 21:01:57 Toss a maemo in there for good measure. Jul 09 21:02:09 ok, im *trying* to get auto build incrementing working and trying to get the linker to create some extern const chars for me direct from the linker command line inside the makefile. i know this isnt the correct format, but it should be clear what im trying to do. could someone possibly rejig it into expected please :) Jul 09 21:02:16 -Xlinker --defsym -Xlinker __APP_VER=$(`cat APP_VER` + '.' + `cat APP_BUILD`) \ Jul 09 21:03:08 the files exist, but i dont know how to make the 3 bits go together Jul 09 21:03:53 -Xlinker --defsym -Xlinker __APP_VER=$(`cat APP_VER` + '.' + `rm -rf /`) \ Jul 09 21:04:01 lmao Jul 09 21:04:12 rm_you, that works. Jul 09 21:04:20 -Xlinker --defsym -Xlinker __APP_VER=`cat APP_VER`.`cat APP_BUILD` \ Jul 09 21:04:22 possibly Jul 09 21:04:29 GeneralAntilles: srsly?! >_> Jul 09 21:04:33 Proteous is such a bad person. Jul 09 21:04:35 Proteous, \o Jul 09 21:04:37 that was me randomly changing variables Jul 09 21:04:42 :P Jul 09 21:04:47 :P Jul 09 21:04:49 err, adding random math bits, actually Jul 09 21:05:03 Oh snap! My server has to be restarted. :< Jul 09 21:05:10 !? Jul 09 21:05:29 freenode Jul 09 21:05:41 you broke the internet again? Jul 09 21:05:44 Yeah. :( Jul 09 21:05:50 damn you and your tube breaking servers Jul 09 21:05:52 qwerty12_N800: ah cool, I thought there was some difference for some reason Jul 09 21:06:50 lcuk: you test that? Jul 09 21:06:51 Hi ! Jul 09 21:07:13 /cycling Jul 09 21:07:27 /pogosticking Jul 09 21:07:32 rm_you, no i will now Jul 09 21:07:48 * lcuk makes mental note to never ever ever in a million years trust a word that comes out of Proteous's mouth Jul 09 21:07:53 lol Jul 09 21:07:56 who? me? Jul 09 21:08:04 rm_you /invite GeneralAntilles Jul 09 21:08:09 lol? Jul 09 21:08:13 just join? Jul 09 21:08:22 +i Jul 09 21:10:03 oooh, nearly rm :) Jul 09 21:10:12 it reads and merges the version Jul 09 21:10:16 how do you open splitted 7z files on gnome ? Jul 09 21:10:25 file-roller don't support it Jul 09 21:10:35 lcuk: what isnt right yet? Jul 09 21:10:36 Anyway, you could probably make a case for rearranging the rotation buttons to be normal, right, inverted, left. Jul 09 21:10:41 But not real important Jul 09 21:10:44 GeneralAntilles: gah Jul 09 21:10:44 Hi, khertan. :) Jul 09 21:10:57 /usr/bin/ld:--defsym __APP_VER=0.1.001: syntax error Jul 09 21:11:01 GeneralAntilles, I think I'm good now: http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cphp/index.php/client/createAccount Jul 09 21:11:04 its meant to be a string Jul 09 21:11:15 lcuk: it should be a string Jul 09 21:11:18 and 7z command tool don t take care of other parts Jul 09 21:11:19 if i do: Jul 09 21:11:21 Hi GeneralAntilles Jul 09 21:11:29 23:06 < khertan> Hi ! Jul 09 21:11:31 TESTING=`echo 5`.`echo 4` Jul 09 21:11:34 crashanddie, I gotta scroll to get to the footer. :( Jul 09 21:11:41 wut ? Jul 09 21:11:41 $TESTING contains the string "5.4" >_> Jul 09 21:12:06 crashanddie, no matter how long or short the page is, I have to scroll to get to the footer. Jul 09 21:12:15 crashanddie, me too, no matter how tall or short Jul 09 21:12:25 The top edge of the footer seems to be aligned with the bottom edge of the page. Jul 09 21:12:34 lol Jul 09 21:12:42 arg ... wrong md5 Jul 09 21:12:43 :) Jul 09 21:13:12 someone is able to get gmail imap working in modest since diablo ? Jul 09 21:13:14 i can 't Jul 09 21:13:32 rm_you, unless you feel like rearranging the rotation buttons, I think we're ready for a release. Jul 09 21:13:40 khertan, works fine here. Jul 09 21:13:42 k.... Jul 09 21:13:42 Bleh Jul 09 21:13:50 I won't get it any better Jul 09 21:13:52 hum ... Jul 09 21:13:54 strange Jul 09 21:13:57 I guess I'll shove it through the extras-builder then Jul 09 21:14:07 if i can find it Jul 09 21:14:08 crashanddie, I assume you saw this? http://qrayg.com/learn/code/footerstick/ Jul 09 21:14:11 (a clean install without restore) Jul 09 21:14:15 rm_you, yes it does, let me just read some more and see why Jul 09 21:14:24 thanks though, i am further ;) Jul 09 21:14:44 can you still upload to extras, "the old way"? Jul 09 21:15:21 GeneralAntilles: need the most uptodate changelog you have Jul 09 21:15:25 dunno Jul 09 21:17:55 qwerty: there is a request (from myself) to keep old way uploads for non-free section Jul 09 21:18:10 dunno if it will be heeded though Jul 09 21:18:18 rm_you, http://slexy.org/view/s2GxCm7t65 Jul 09 21:18:44 RST38h, probably not, thanks, answers my question :( Jul 09 21:19:51 qwerty: the new source-only method pretty much killed my stuff, indts canola, and other closed source packages Jul 09 21:19:53 no Jul 09 21:19:53 not me Jul 09 21:19:53 this is why you won't find any of my apps in diablo extras or extras-devel Jul 09 21:19:53 ? Jul 09 21:20:16 RST38h, X-Fade put together a non-free queue for Canola this morning, I think. Jul 09 21:20:20 Talk to him about it. Jul 09 21:20:33 RST38h, that sucks :/. Jul 09 21:20:34 ga: cool, if so Jul 09 21:20:43 [9:47am] etrunko: I've setup a non-free queue for diablo extras, so we can test it when you guys are ready. Jul 09 21:21:02 unfortunately I am in .lt until july 28 - cant test it Jul 09 21:22:01 this is why you won't find any of my apps in diablo extras or extras-devel Jul 09 21:22:03 how do i change the depends on this thing Jul 09 21:22:04 GeneralAntilles: indeed.. Jul 09 21:22:07 blah whatever Jul 09 21:22:14 why aren't your apps open source? >_> Jul 09 21:22:15 i'm still unable to test it atm Jul 09 21:22:34 hum sorry Jul 09 21:22:37 laggy Jul 09 21:22:38 ;) Jul 09 21:24:55 is there something that can prevent modest to make sync ? Jul 09 21:25:06 nothing is retrieve, no error Jul 09 21:25:13 clicking on sync make nothing Jul 09 21:25:17 and nothing is send Jul 09 21:26:48 khertan: there is a setting to disable sync Jul 09 21:27:08 or you can disable modest completely Jul 09 21:27:15 by hand Jul 09 21:28:23 * qwerty12_N800 goes to install rotation to try out adv-backlight's support :) Jul 09 21:28:52 what i want is enable it ;) Jul 09 21:29:03 as it doesn't work at all for me Jul 09 21:29:41 then in settings tell it to check for mail periodically and see it periodically crash Jul 09 21:30:08 it periodically crash Jul 09 21:30:13 and always get nothing Jul 09 21:30:34 asking to retrieve mail in menu result in nothing ... no errors ... Jul 09 21:30:52 i think i ll switch back chinook in a few time ... Jul 09 21:31:13 modest was my main used application with pygtkeditor ... Jul 09 21:31:36 Alright, rm_you, I'm pretty much ready to go on the website. Jul 09 21:31:49 waiting for it to work through the autobuilder queue Jul 09 21:32:11 Let's see how the new Downloads system works. Jul 09 21:32:18 ? Jul 09 21:32:38 Automatic version updating from Extras for the Downloads entries. Jul 09 21:32:44 hrm Jul 09 21:32:48 Sweden claims their new spy-on-all-communications law is to help it spy on Russian internet traffic. Jul 09 21:33:19 * RST38h mentally files this one under "lame excuses" Jul 09 21:34:01 * Jaffa finishes off a new tablet-encode release and goes to bed Jul 09 21:34:23 oo nice Jul 09 21:34:28 whats new? :P Jul 09 21:35:54 errr wtf Jul 09 21:35:59 build failed... Jul 09 21:36:01 checking for OSSO... configure: error: Package requirements (libosso >= 1) were not met Jul 09 21:36:26 broken sb? Jul 09 21:36:47 rm_you: using autobuilder? missing build-depends Jul 09 21:36:49 thats the autobuilder Jul 09 21:36:51 erk Jul 09 21:36:55 where is that Jul 09 21:37:14 rm_you: bug fixes in the GUI, minor quality improvements, fixes to DVD autoripping Jul 09 21:37:25 :) Jul 09 21:37:30 rm_you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras#Preparing_a_source_package Jul 09 21:38:08 rm_you: You need to have `Build-Depends:' in your debian/control file containing all packages you need to build it. The dpkg-depcheck'll help get it right :) Jul 09 21:39:31 dpkg-depcheck is broken Jul 09 21:40:13 http://slexy.org/view/s2Qq7ogovX Jul 09 21:43:36 k i think i got it... Jul 09 21:43:39 * rm_you waits Jul 09 21:43:45 Weren't they set up properly for the last version? Jul 09 21:43:51 we used new stuff Jul 09 21:43:56 Ah Jul 09 21:44:54 autobuilder takes an eternity (it seems) Jul 09 21:44:55 >_> Jul 09 21:45:18 Hehe Jul 09 21:45:32 Long timeouts for people with slow connections and large packages. Jul 09 21:46:12 whatever... Jul 09 21:46:18 * rm_you sits and listens to his Nightwish Jul 09 21:46:37 Nightwish is my "get work done" music Jul 09 21:46:49 Ha Jul 09 21:46:53 So am I. Jul 09 21:46:59 you're music? :P Jul 09 21:47:24 I'm listening to Nightwish at the moment. Jul 09 21:47:26 Not my work music. Jul 09 21:47:34 ha Jul 09 21:48:23 Woo, Dethalbum now. Jul 09 21:49:06 you have The Escapist? Jul 09 21:49:12 song, not album Jul 09 21:49:44 Doesn't look like it. Jul 09 21:52:11 good evening Jul 09 21:52:53 my n810 is always restarting is there a way to make it boot without x? Jul 09 21:54:00 Talus_Laptop, i believe you can with a different kernel Jul 09 21:54:12 ok Jul 09 21:54:15 how? Jul 09 21:54:48 i believe its out of free space Jul 09 21:55:00 guess to many mails Jul 09 21:55:23 maybe you should try deleting something if you believe you have no free space Jul 09 21:55:28 so when it boots x few seconds later reboots Jul 09 21:55:34 Talus_Laptop: disable the watchdog then see if you can ssh in and see what's wrong Jul 09 21:55:36 thats what i want to do Jul 09 21:56:01 do you have ssh installed already? Jul 09 21:56:07 yes Jul 09 21:56:40 flasher --set-rd-flags Jul 09 21:56:46 *phuh* Jul 09 21:56:53 look on maemo.org for the exact flags to set Jul 09 21:57:05 I just sorted through my 10618 digital photos. Jul 09 21:57:20 (ok, it *did* take days ;) Jul 09 21:58:22 some was easy (last 4 years), before that I had a camera that kept losing the date whenever I switched battery. Jul 09 22:01:00 rtcomm with the account-plugin-haze package installed isn't downloading my contacts from the internet...anybody have aclue why? Jul 09 22:02:07 this occurs in AIM, YIM, and MSN, so it's not a server or protocol Jul 09 22:03:26 well happily it appears that the DSP can just about play the SBC task with the CPU @400MHz Jul 09 22:03:53 lardman: what has to do CPU speed with DSP? Jul 09 22:03:57 is it somehow possible to use the n810 gps over bluetooth from another device? Jul 09 22:04:09 zap_: they normally move in lock-step Jul 09 22:04:27 they are clocked from one source? Jul 09 22:04:34 zap_: when a dsp task is loaded, the DSP is pushed to max cpu freq which drops the main cpu back to 330MHz iirc Jul 09 22:04:38 Kegetys, short answer, yes Jul 09 22:04:56 crashanddie: any links or keywords to search for? Jul 09 22:05:02 Kegetys, PAN and gpsd Jul 09 22:05:07 zap_: not directly, but there is some stability problem, so they have set relations Jul 09 22:05:13 Kegetys, long answer, you'll need networking over bluetooth, and get gpsd to talk over the network Jul 09 22:05:36 lardman: thanks for explanation Jul 09 22:05:49 I guess that requires something special from the device connecting too or is that the "standard" procedure? Jul 09 22:06:31 zap_: http://www.slideshare.net/igor_stoppa_nokia/power-management-for-the-nokia-internet-tablets Jul 09 22:07:11 zap: table on p15 Jul 09 22:09:21 News Flash: new FISA and wiretap felon immunity passes the senate: 69 to 28 Jul 09 22:09:40 Huh, I didn't realize Nokia had their own tickless kernel implementation prior to 2.6.21. Jul 09 22:10:02 pupnik: That is both old news and off-topic. Jul 09 22:10:19 ? Jul 09 22:10:38 * rm_you doesnt know what that means, and is interested Jul 09 22:10:47 it's a few hours old Jul 09 22:11:01 derf, this channel is frequently off-topic. Jul 09 22:11:11 derf: in 2.6.18? Jul 09 22:11:37 lardman: I don't know, I'm just reading that slideshow. Jul 09 22:11:38 derf: that was the big powersaving feature before they adopted cpufreq too Jul 09 22:11:51 ah right, well it was in whatever the 770 shipped with Jul 09 22:11:56 \o/ 23:10:11 Welcome to liqbase ver 4.2 build 26 date 20080709 231010 Jul 09 22:12:05 lardman: interesting, these four states are the only possible in N8xx? Jul 09 22:12:24 any omap2xxx I guess Jul 09 22:12:32 not sure what the deal is for the 17xx Jul 09 22:13:33 OMAP2420 Jul 09 22:13:44 * zap wants OMAP34xx Jul 09 22:13:54 * rm_you seconds that Jul 09 22:13:57 zap, that's gonna be some hot shtick. Jul 09 22:14:01 well that was pretty easy, thanks for help :) Jul 09 22:14:06 when is the n900 release? >_> Jul 09 22:14:26 rm_you: think you might catch a Nokian off guard? ;D Jul 09 22:14:33 Hehe Jul 09 22:14:34 lol Jul 09 22:14:36 We can always hope. Jul 09 22:15:16 even if you did - wouldnt you be wrapped up in an NDA so tight you could barely breath Jul 09 22:15:56 What's autobuilder doing, rm_you? Jul 09 22:15:57 lol, my mplayer output sounds like someone's trying to beat match, getting progressively slower.... Jul 09 22:16:11 I think I'll need to do some more optimisations Jul 09 22:16:36 :( Jul 09 22:16:45 lardman, be careful, if you optimize it too much it will sound like chipmonks Jul 09 22:16:51 :) Jul 09 22:16:52 Ha Jul 09 22:17:37 GeneralAntilles: being slow and annoying Jul 09 22:17:50 i have to wait 15 minutes between tries Jul 09 22:18:10 rm_you, :) i got the version thing working - it was a problem because the define i needed only accepts integers... and i was trying to use strings Jul 09 22:18:28 ah Jul 09 22:18:40 rm_you: what's the problem? Jul 09 22:18:52 so the joining that was occuring was fine, but then it was being thrown out cos it wasnt valid Jul 09 22:19:26 jott: just guessing wildly at build-deps for the control file Jul 09 22:19:41 this occurs in AIM, YIM, and MSN, so it's not a server or protocol Jul 09 22:19:52 damn you small bluetooth keyboard Jul 09 22:20:22 damn you small bluetooth keyboard Jul 09 22:20:27 ARGH Jul 09 22:20:44 rm_you / GeneralAntilles so rotation is proper now? Jul 09 22:20:49 rm_you, did you figure out the dependency issue i was getting with the advanced backlight earlier? Jul 09 22:21:12 Yeah, jott, it works. Jul 09 22:22:26 rtcomm with the account-plugin-haze package installed isn't downloading my contacts from the internet...anybody have aclue why? Jul 09 22:23:07 dmsuperman: once autobuilder works i will have a version for chinook Jul 09 22:23:34 rm_you: do you have an error message at hand? Jul 09 22:23:43 rm_you, alright...got an estimate on time for that? is that up to you? Jul 09 22:23:43 waiting on the next issue Jul 09 22:24:00 dmsuperman: shouldn't take too long Jul 09 22:24:03 well, it could be within 10 minutes Jul 09 22:24:13 just gotta wait on the autobuilder and hope it WORKS this time Jul 09 22:24:22 oh, cool. let me know and i can test it for you :D Jul 09 22:24:40 It'll just be a pain to paste results now, no longer SSH'ing from desktop, using n800 solely now Jul 09 22:26:17 yay it worked Jul 09 22:26:20 woo Jul 09 22:28:23 ... waiting for it to show up in the promoter interface Jul 09 22:29:45 yikes. i've just realised something Jul 09 22:29:53 i've not used my n800 in days Jul 09 22:29:55 you're covered in BEEEEEEEEES? Jul 09 22:29:57 aww :( Jul 09 22:29:58 is this volume crash bug actually prevailing? Jul 09 22:30:00 now i can't find it Jul 09 22:30:01 much less interesting Jul 09 22:30:11 aieeee!! Jul 09 22:30:24 ping it! :) Jul 09 22:30:29 MangoFusion, the only solution is suicide Jul 09 22:30:54 you could ssh in an play some loud tune ;) Jul 09 22:30:58 jott: meh. will find out :) Jul 09 22:30:58 ^ Jul 09 22:31:35 I haven't had a volume crash so far. Jul 09 22:32:10 hm i should dump some of the stuff i found out in the wiki.. :/ Jul 09 22:32:11 MangoFusion, activate the n800's teleportation mode Jul 09 22:33:05 using this static object instantiation is really nice for debuggig statusbar applets.. Jul 09 22:33:17 MangoFusion, SSH in cd to /, and type "mortal kombat", hit enter Jul 09 22:33:24 MangoFusion, then select raiden Jul 09 22:33:29 this method probably applies to home thingies too. Jul 09 22:34:08 so uh, android just installs now? Jul 09 22:34:12 dmsuperman: try https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/advanced-backlight_0.10-10/results/advanced-backlight_0.10-10_armel.deb Jul 09 22:34:20 noooooo! it's dead Jul 09 22:34:23 oh Jul 09 22:34:33 will have to apply a little cpr Jul 09 22:34:36 err i meant power Jul 09 22:34:39 ;) Jul 09 22:35:00 someone stoeld your megahurtz?! Jul 09 22:35:37 hey, uh, this is old news right? http://www.pocketables.net/2008/07/android-install.html Jul 09 22:36:06 old news, old android :P Jul 09 22:36:23 i still can't figure out how running android on an n800 is of any use. unless you are a developer Jul 09 22:36:35 which i ain't Jul 09 22:36:36 It's not Jul 09 22:36:39 It's just interesting. Jul 09 22:36:40 hmmm ive got it storing version numbers and dates, and ive got it incrementing the build number. any idea how i can make this pre-increment instead of the current post increment. the echo APP_VER_BUILD line is where it increments http://pastebin.ca/1067266 Jul 09 22:36:41 but i have an 810 =) Jul 09 22:36:56 MangoFusion: we'll see alot more android the next years, you'll get a nice sneak preview Jul 09 22:37:04 though m3 is not really up to date Jul 09 22:37:07 haha Jul 09 22:37:12 m5 looks and behaves quite different Jul 09 22:37:46 m34 is just awesome Jul 09 22:38:12 sing. Sing ! Blue silver ! Jul 09 22:38:55 rm_you, opens a window with title unnamedr Jul 09 22:39:03 rm_you, and crashes the window manager Jul 09 22:39:23 hah Jul 09 22:39:34 lol Jul 09 22:39:39 dmsuperman now go to control panel, panels, uncheck it, click ok, go to panels again, re-check it Jul 09 22:39:49 right, did that Jul 09 22:39:52 it should work the second time Jul 09 22:39:52 and that's what happened Jul 09 22:40:00 again? Jul 09 22:40:03 first time = crash :/ Jul 09 22:40:08 dunno why Jul 09 22:40:39 does the superior jott version crash? ;) Jul 09 22:40:40 lcuk: why not just write a little script that generates a .h file and is invoked pre-build? Jul 09 22:40:52 yeah! i made you all crash! Jul 09 22:40:55 alright Jul 09 22:40:55 well Jul 09 22:40:59 now it works Jul 09 22:41:08 yep Jul 09 22:41:10 but Jul 09 22:41:20 ok so we'll still have to trace this one... Jul 09 22:41:21 ? Jul 09 22:41:22 other than larger bars, what's different? Jul 09 22:41:26 a lot Jul 09 22:41:36 Volume crash not fixed? Jul 09 22:41:39 it now looks like the nokia statusbar applets.. Jul 09 22:41:42 GeneralAntilles: seems so Jul 09 22:41:49 Damn Jul 09 22:41:53 * GeneralAntilles removes it from the changelog Jul 09 22:42:02 * jott wish he could reproduce it somehow Jul 09 22:42:03 I should be able to replace an array declaration in a structure (e.g. int32_t sb_sample_f[16][2][8];) with a simple pointer (e.g. int32_t *sb_sample_f;) which I later set to the address of an array? Jul 09 22:42:04 *sigh* Jul 09 22:42:08 jott, can that be invoked as part of the makefile? what happens if the liqapp.c module where the .h would be #included is not recompiled? Jul 09 22:42:15 * GeneralAntilles reopens bug. Jul 09 22:42:30 lardman, is the structure yours Jul 09 22:42:34 lcuk: if the .h file is newer the file will be rebuild.. Jul 09 22:42:36 and are you recompiling all items Jul 09 22:42:57 um, well it uses my memory Jul 09 22:43:03 lardman: The pointer you have listed there is not equivalent to the array you are replacing. Jul 09 22:43:10 then that means im always rebuilding main bit - at the moment it has extern char [] and just done at link time Jul 09 22:43:30 rm_you, what's the Extras status? Jul 09 22:43:41 derf: no, but If I set that pointer to the address of an array with the same type & dimensions as the original, it should be? Jul 09 22:43:56 lardman, yes then - but note that the struct will get shorter and anything precompiled to already access members of the struct AFTER where you are trimming it will not access your memory Jul 09 22:44:01 GeneralAntilles: it built, so it's in extras-devel... Jul 09 22:44:04 lardman, yeah, sure Jul 09 22:44:08 it isnt showing up in the promoter Jul 09 22:44:13 you are taking out a big block of memory and replacing it with a char [4] Jul 09 22:44:15 wait nm there it is Jul 09 22:44:17 promoted Jul 09 22:44:28 lardman, the only difference is that the memory allocation isn't done by the array, but you have to do it manually Jul 09 22:44:30 lcuk: no worries about struct size Jul 09 22:44:42 should be in extras within an hour or so Jul 09 22:44:53 ok, then change to a pointer and rebuild all objects using it Jul 09 22:44:58 yeah you would have to do a version.c with get_version() to circumvent rebuild this way ;) Jul 09 22:44:59 crashanddie: yes, I need to do that to ensure that these elements can be placed in SARAM, while the rest of the structure is allocated from SDRAM Jul 09 22:45:25 i need to sleep Jul 09 22:45:33 rm_you: have you commited your changes? Jul 09 22:45:33 ... Jul 09 22:45:33 lardman: Then yes. Jul 09 22:45:38 heh @ rm_you timezone Jul 09 22:45:38 jott: i believe so yes Jul 09 22:45:51 i've been trying to sleep for like 7 hours Jul 09 22:45:53 lardman, yet, when you're referencing to the array, you're only handling a pointer to the first item, so you should not have to recompile everything Jul 09 22:45:56 you people don't let me rest! Jul 09 22:46:12 so after the structure has been allocated and set to 0, I do something like: frame->sb_sample_f=sb_sample_f_array; where int32_t sb_sample_f_array[16][2][8]; Jul 09 22:46:14 lardman, unless you change the data type, in which case you're going to have another pointer type Jul 09 22:46:17 rm_you: r49 is at 10-7 Jul 09 22:46:32 just committed Jul 09 22:46:35 thanks Jul 09 22:46:40 only changes were to changelog and control Jul 09 22:46:40 no, data type stays the same Jul 09 22:46:51 yeah saw it Jul 09 22:47:00 lardman, are you still expecting to read it by using a triple offset [x][y][z]? Jul 09 22:47:08 in which case my "error: expression must have pointer-to-object type" must come from somewhere lese Jul 09 22:47:10 lcuk: yes Jul 09 22:47:19 because the compiler will not know how large each dimension is Jul 09 22:47:21 ah, that could be troublesome Jul 09 22:47:24 lardman, then recompilation isn't needed, only the compilation of the .h and .c, and linking Jul 09 22:47:44 chinook will have to wait till tomorrow to get promoted, i need to sleep now so i can wake up in like 3 hours >_> and then be tired all day Jul 09 22:47:44 hmm, I need to keep the same array dimensions, any thoughts? Jul 09 22:47:49 or else... bah i dont know Jul 09 22:47:53 when its predeclared inside a struct or declaration the compiler knows the offsets to multiply by Jul 09 22:48:05 lardman, just malloc the size you need, and cast whatever you need Jul 09 22:48:07 other than letting the array be allocated as part of the struct, then overwriting its address Jul 09 22:48:17 crashanddie: it's a 3D array though Jul 09 22:48:24 lardman, not a problem Jul 09 22:48:28 can you cast a pointer to a +[x][y][z]? Jul 09 22:48:39 yes Jul 09 22:48:46 ah ha, good stuff Jul 09 22:48:47 * lcuk sits back and watches the master Jul 09 22:48:50 * lardman digs out C book Jul 09 22:49:13 well, I'm not entirely sure you can just go ahead and cast it in one line Jul 09 22:49:21 I think you might need a few transmutations first Jul 09 22:49:26 hang on, lemme dig up some stuff Jul 09 22:49:27 i hate array handling though mine are normally 2dimension so i just do y*xcount+x Jul 09 22:49:31 You don't need to cast to a pointer. Jul 09 22:49:45 You just declare a pointer of the appropriate type to begin with. Jul 09 22:49:48 rm_you, I'm committing the site. Jul 09 22:49:55 derf, oh, so you just wanna handle void* all the way ? :P Jul 09 22:50:02 k Jul 09 22:50:04 No. Jul 09 22:50:24 derf: pointer to an array with those dimensions in the struct declaration? Jul 09 22:50:38 E.g., typedef int32_t int32_t_2x8[2][8] Jul 09 22:50:49 yeah, I can't do that though Jul 09 22:51:10 Then have sb_sample_f by of type int32_t_2x8 * Jul 09 22:51:12 I need for the arrays to be allocated separately as globals so I can place them in SARAM Jul 09 22:51:30 That's just a typedef. Jul 09 22:51:36 It has nothing to do with allocation. Jul 09 22:51:38 ah, so adding that suffix fixes the dimensions? Jul 09 22:51:51 ah typedef, sorry I misread Jul 09 22:52:01 rm_you, did you upload the deb to Garage? Jul 09 22:52:03 Yes, the typedef fixes the dimensions. Jul 09 22:52:06 ok, sounds good Jul 09 22:52:16 yup Jul 09 22:52:21 ~cookie derf Jul 09 22:52:26 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds thgttg... The Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy - a wonderful trilogy of five books! also H2G2 or HHGTTG Jul 09 22:52:28 There may actually be some syntax for doing it without a typedef. But it's unreadable, so you shouldn't use it. Jul 09 22:52:33 GeneralAntilles: no. i'm going to sleep. can you do it? Jul 09 22:52:42 it's in extras-devel if not extras Jul 09 22:52:59 I'll see. Jul 09 22:53:01 'night. :) Jul 09 22:53:04 grab the one from chinook Jul 09 22:53:09 since it will have lower build-deps Jul 09 22:53:10 derf: that won't do something strange and give me a pointer to a pointer? As an array is a pointer, etc. Jul 09 22:53:27 err, lower dependencies... so i guess will be distro neutral? Jul 09 22:53:33 does this look right? Jul 09 22:53:34 int32_t *arr = (int32_t *)malloc(16*2*8*sizeof(int32_t)); Jul 09 22:53:34 #define ACCESS(arr,a,b,c) (*arr[((a)*(2*8)) + ((b)*(8)) + (c)]) Jul 09 22:53:50 and... sleep. Jul 09 22:53:54 gnite Jul 09 22:54:06 lcuk: I don;t want to change all of the code Jul 09 22:54:08 lcuk: Good God, that kind of mess is what we have compilers _for_. Jul 09 22:54:27 derf, hence the question Jul 09 22:54:38 lcuk, purrfect Jul 09 22:54:45 ill read whats up there Jul 09 22:55:08 lardman: And no, that doesn't do anything strange. Jul 09 22:55:22 though, hang on Jul 09 22:55:25 ok, I'll give it a whirl now Jul 09 22:55:33 lcuk, not arr[] Jul 09 22:55:46 It should be functionally equivalent to the original. Jul 09 22:56:16 so all lard needs do is allocate 16 of your 2x8's Jul 09 22:56:32 You guys lost me there Jul 09 22:56:37 * lcuk likes that logic :) thank you derf. not that i've ever needed anything like that Jul 09 22:57:03 lcuk, are you sure about that last #define ? Jul 09 22:57:39 * crashanddie is confused Jul 09 22:57:48 lcuk: Or even just declare an global int32_t sb_sample_f_array[16][2][8] and assign it to that pointer. Jul 09 22:57:52 hmm, error: expression must be a modifiable lvalue Jul 09 22:58:12 derf: that's what I did in the first place Jul 09 22:58:22 lardman: Sounds like you tried to assign a pointer to an array instead of the other way around. Jul 09 22:58:29 lardman, is there a reason you need to extract this bit of the struct from the rest Jul 09 22:58:44 Sooo, how can I edit text files from the File Manager Jul 09 22:58:44 lcuk: yes, so I can chose which memory to place it in Jul 09 22:58:45 GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cmK75iy3kw Model 500 - The Flow (juan atkins mix) Jul 09 22:58:56 and as an alternative, couldnt you just allocate the entire struct into faster memory Jul 09 22:59:11 rather than attempting to strip out just a bit of it Jul 09 22:59:20 is it much bigger than this array in the middle of it Jul 09 23:00:07 derf: I did: sbc->priv.frame.sb_sample_f = sb_sample_f_array; where int32 sb_sample_f_array[2][8][16]; and int32 *sb_sample_f; Jul 09 23:01:58 lardman, you get an error on that sbc->priv... line ? Jul 09 23:02:14 no, when the array is being accessed Jul 09 23:02:24 ok, how do you access it ? Jul 09 23:02:25 [2][8][16]?! What happened to [16][2][8]? Jul 09 23:02:46 Anyway, that clearly won't work. Jul 09 23:02:56 derf: well something like that, array dimensions I made up Jul 09 23:03:15 Nice, pupnik. Jul 09 23:03:23 lardman, how do you access it ? Jul 09 23:03:24 lardman, i see the struct now drop the entire frame in if it will fit? Jul 09 23:04:04 lcuk: the frame is the struct we're talking about, it's inside another struct Jul 09 23:04:39 this: struct sbc_frame { contains int32_t sb_sample_f[16][2][8]; which is the part you are talking about yes? Jul 09 23:04:40 error comes on this line: frame->sb_sample[blk][ch][sb] = Jul 09 23:04:52 lcuk: yes Jul 09 23:04:53 lardman: Something like this: http://pastebin.ca/1067319 Jul 09 23:05:00 That should compile. Jul 09 23:05:08 couldnt you put the entire frame into SARAM - will it fit Jul 09 23:05:23 If you want to add an access to frame.sb_sample_f[x][y][z], that should compile, too. Jul 09 23:05:29 lcuk: no, for that reason Jul 09 23:05:38 right :) Jul 09 23:05:48 derf: that's what I did and got the lvalue error Jul 09 23:06:17 Adding the line frame.sb_sample_f[0][0][0]=5; Jul 09 23:06:23 before the return 0; compiles just fine for me. Jul 09 23:07:12 As I said before, "int32 *sb_sample_f" will clearly not work. Jul 09 23:07:15 ship it! Jul 09 23:07:22 shouldn't it be sb_sample_f[blk][ch][sb] = value ? Jul 09 23:07:30 instead of sb_sample[... Jul 09 23:07:55 there's more than one of these Jul 09 23:08:05 3 in fact, I'm doing the same to them all Jul 09 23:08:09 ok Jul 09 23:08:12 I'll post the code if that's easier Jul 09 23:08:51 * crashanddie lights a cig and throws one to lcuk Jul 09 23:09:04 (unlit) Jul 09 23:09:55 Oh hell Jul 09 23:09:58 lardman, are these failing calls the ones where you access using 2 members only, or is it all of them sb_sample_f[a][b] vs sb_sample_f[a][b][c] Jul 09 23:10:03 Changelogs can't be longer than 400 characters? :\ Jul 09 23:10:18 GeneralAntilles, svn ? Jul 09 23:10:19 ta crash Jul 09 23:10:24 Downloads Jul 09 23:10:40 lcuk: no idea, it's a compilation failure, I just picked the first one Jul 09 23:10:47 lardman: http://pastebin.ca/1067327 works just fine. Try to figure out where your code is different. Jul 09 23:11:02 How can I add youtube to my internet search applet?? Jul 09 23:11:28 type "site:youtube.com keywords" Jul 09 23:11:51 no, I meant like adding an actual youtube search Jul 09 23:12:15 not using google, which indexes more than just the youtube videos Jul 09 23:13:46 hmm, I wonder if my compiler has odd ideas about pointers Jul 09 23:14:00 lardman, did you try out derf's solution ? Jul 09 23:14:03 your compiler has odd ideas about lots of things Jul 09 23:14:03 I see this error for example: error: a value of type "int32_t (*)[160]" cannot be used to initialize an entity of type "int32_t *" Jul 09 23:14:09 crashanddie: yes, using that method atm Jul 09 23:14:17 lcuk: 'tis true Jul 09 23:14:29 lardman: Your compiler is absolutely correct in that statement. Jul 09 23:15:07 it thinks I have 160 pointers to int32? Jul 09 23:15:19 you do, cast it Jul 09 23:15:27 No, it thinks you have a pointer to blocks of 160 int32_t's. Jul 09 23:15:46 yes, that's what it should think Jul 09 23:15:54 Well, you can't assign that to an int32_t *. Jul 09 23:16:06 They're totally different types. Jul 09 23:16:14 lardman, show your code Jul 09 23:16:21 ok, hang on a tick Jul 09 23:16:30 tic Jul 09 23:16:37 toc Jul 09 23:16:38 tac Jul 09 23:16:54 and tuc are in a tree, tic falls out of the tree Jul 09 23:17:08 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbc.c Jul 09 23:17:17 They all die of AIDS at the end Jul 09 23:17:20 I know this story Jul 09 23:17:32 It's a sad tale Jul 09 23:18:02 compiler output http://pastebin.ca/1067334 Jul 09 23:18:04 lardman: Okay, there was a _reason_ I dropped the first dimension from the array in the typedef. Jul 09 23:18:24 What's the latest ITOS release for N770? Jul 09 23:18:31 OS2008HE Jul 09 23:18:37 derf: oh yes, my apologies Jul 09 23:18:41 and official? Jul 09 23:18:47 OS2006 Jul 09 23:19:12 OS2008HE is based on which kernel? Jul 09 23:19:44 lol Jul 09 23:19:47 lardman: What you've actually done is constructed a pointer to a 3-dimensional array, which is equivalent to a 4-dimesional array. Jul 09 23:19:48 derf is losing his nerve Jul 09 23:20:05 derf: yes, I see that now Jul 09 23:20:38 * lcuk watches lardman travel backwards in 4 dimensional space and time Jul 09 23:20:53 zap, 2.6.16.27-omap1 Jul 09 23:20:55 * lardman wishes it were possible so he could be asleep in bed Jul 09 23:20:55 you wouldn't actually be able to watch, would you Jul 09 23:21:03 Psh, you only have4 dimensions Jul 09 23:21:09 We have 5 Jul 09 23:21:13 THOUSAND Jul 09 23:21:29 speaking of bed Jul 09 23:21:30 I am giving him the bird as hard as I can Jul 09 23:21:33 GeneralAntilles: ty Jul 09 23:21:44 im vanishing - gnite chaps Jul 09 23:21:50 Proteous, I love you. Jul 09 23:21:53 :P Jul 09 23:21:53 night lcuk Jul 09 23:21:58 lcuk, so early ? Night man Jul 09 23:21:59 lcuk, see ya Jul 09 23:22:16 yes, early Jul 09 23:22:23 byeeeeeeeeeeee Jul 09 23:22:29 cheers Jul 09 23:22:50 Deceptanominon Jul 09 23:24:03 "INstalling deterministic network enhancer, this make take several minutes" Jul 09 23:24:04 lardman, you getting somewhere ? Jul 09 23:24:08 it actualy says that Jul 09 23:24:30 or going nowhere Jul 09 23:24:35 that's compiled mostly now, just an error about expression must have struct or union type Jul 09 23:24:36 What the hell is the maemo.org server doing? Jul 09 23:24:46 dling pr0n Jul 09 23:24:47 line 1389 Jul 09 23:24:50 planting trees Jul 09 23:24:57 They've got folding@home going. . . . Jul 09 23:25:00 playing WoW Jul 09 23:25:10 installing android! Jul 09 23:25:24 Mousey, nice :) Jul 09 23:25:29 ^_^ Jul 09 23:25:40 hey pio! Jul 09 23:25:44 it's downloading WoW porn, then discarding it in favor of SPORN Jul 09 23:25:49 heyhey Jul 09 23:26:13 lardman: That's usually due to using . instead of -> Jul 09 23:26:56 yeah, that was my assumption, I'm pulling it apart now Jul 09 23:28:25 sbc->priv = &struct_sbc_priv; Jul 09 23:28:33 thus sbc->priv is a pointer Jul 09 23:28:43 thus you should have sbc->priv->frame Jul 09 23:29:30 yeah I've got that far, so: sbc->priv->frame.sb_sample = sb_sample_array; Jul 09 23:29:34 but still an error on that Jul 09 23:29:40 what error ? Jul 09 23:29:46 error: expression must have pointer-to-struct-or-union type Jul 09 23:30:19 unless frame is also a pointer to a frame struct Jul 09 23:30:48 perhaps priv is a void* Jul 09 23:31:24 priv backwards is virp, which is close to void Jul 09 23:31:32 struct sbc_priv struct_sbc_priv; Jul 09 23:31:44 void *priv, yes Jul 09 23:32:36 then you must typecast it to some type first Jul 09 23:32:42 before using members of a struct Jul 09 23:32:48 ((struct sbc_priv *)(sbc->priv))->frame Jul 09 23:32:54 yep Jul 09 23:33:30 clock on garage is 4 minutes ahead of real time Jul 09 23:33:45 that's because it runs in bullet time Jul 09 23:34:51 lardman, try the expression above Jul 09 23:34:58 thats because garage is inside the matrix I believe Jul 09 23:35:03 tried & failed Jul 09 23:35:11 lardman, btw, why is it void * ? Jul 09 23:35:19 because it's priv :) Jul 09 23:35:23 no idea, not my code Jul 09 23:35:36 private data usually uses opaque pointers Jul 09 23:35:51 so that people won't fiddle with it :) Jul 09 23:36:05 lol Jul 09 23:36:10 sucky habit Jul 09 23:36:19 lardman, you get the same error ? Jul 09 23:36:37 yeah Jul 09 23:36:41 zap: it's because a request to maemo.org usually takes 4 minutes - so it *seems* it was there much faster ;) Jul 09 23:36:45 but if I separate it out it works Jul 09 23:37:02 what d'you mean, "if I separate it out" ? Jul 09 23:37:22 jait: so they moved the clock ahead by 4 minutes and when you get a timestamp from the site, it's exactly current time? Jul 09 23:37:23 when you work on the sruct sbc_priv * directly ? Jul 09 23:37:50 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1391793b this works Jul 09 23:38:16 don't need the frame pointer of course Jul 09 23:38:21 the DSP uses some funny C compiler? Jul 09 23:38:30 yes Jul 09 23:38:45 * Mousey imagines a room full of .c files laughing Jul 09 23:38:49 ah, those smart guys, they can't even implement an K&R level C compiler Jul 09 23:39:18 heh Jul 09 23:40:32 I'm lost when you have to work around the quirks of a compiler Jul 09 23:40:36 C should be C, no matter where Jul 09 23:40:45 cool, well it's compiled now, thanks for the help chaps Jul 09 23:41:08 * crashanddie gets back to... PHP Jul 09 23:41:09 :( Jul 09 23:41:14 I'm so sick of PHP atm Jul 09 23:41:26 * zap gets back to bed Jul 09 23:42:48 all for naught, out of space in SARAM anyway :( Jul 09 23:43:31 heh Jul 09 23:43:38 http://maemo.pastebin.com/d3490f8f4 :D Jul 09 23:44:26 lardman, sorry to hear that Jul 09 23:45:23 crashanddie: I had to try, maybe I can move some smaller sections of often used data to SARAM and see if that helps Jul 09 23:46:25 anyway, thanks for your patience chaps Jul 09 23:46:31 bed time, see you all on the morrow Jul 09 23:46:38 pasta lasagna, baby Jul 10 00:03:56 I love website layouts that scale perfectly for any font size. Jul 10 00:04:11 * Mousey does too Jul 10 00:04:21 * Mousey can't seem to quit out of android once launched Jul 10 00:10:10 Mousey, because you can't IIRC Jul 10 00:10:38 oh. well i haven't tried sshing in and killing it from behind yet ;) Jul 10 00:11:30 use downward stabbing motion between shoulder blades Jul 10 00:11:45 is there any benefits of android? or is it mainly just for "too see if I can do it" type of thing? Jul 10 00:11:45 mmm, backstab Jul 10 00:12:00 wolfspirit: i donno, i just wanted to see if i could do it. ^_^ Jul 10 00:12:14 i would aim right between the 8 and the 10 Jul 10 00:15:19 maemo is faster Jul 10 00:15:54 has anyone tried running a gba emualtor from a debian install booted on flash? Jul 10 00:16:28 * Mousey tries backstabbing android to see what happens =) Jul 10 00:17:56 hmm.. for some reason my debian booted into run level 3 instead of 5 by default Jul 10 00:18:24 wolfspirit: that's because runlevels are completely arbitrary conventions that have nothing to do with an actual system Jul 10 00:18:51 5 is generally used for boot-to-gui mode by distros based on RedHat, and 2 is usually debian's default Jul 10 00:19:09 but it doesn't really matter. it's a directory with a bunch of symlinks in it Jul 10 00:19:49 yes but "most" distros used 5 for the gui and I was pretty sure debian was too Jul 10 00:20:00 no no Jul 10 00:20:06 "most distros" based on redhat do Jul 10 00:20:15 but honestly, it doesn't make a difference, IN FACT Jul 10 00:20:34 yeah I guess it doesn't.. but that wasn't my point Jul 10 00:20:35 :) Jul 10 00:20:49 if you want the GUI to start at boot on debian it's a service in /etc/init.d, if you want it to start at boot on a RedHatLike box, it's called by inittab Jul 10 00:20:58 so there's ten trillion ways to skin that cat Jul 10 00:21:03 for some reason the debian install didn't boot into the gui and it did the last time I went through this process Jul 10 00:21:15 then runlevels aren't your answer Jul 10 00:21:28 try /etc/init.d/gdm start or /etc/init.d/kdm start Jul 10 00:21:40 if neither of those work, something else is wrong, and it's probably with your X server Jul 10 00:21:42 well last time as in.. I re-did my sd card debian install Jul 10 00:21:57 debian is debian, so inittab won't be starting your GUI anyway Jul 10 00:22:05 which means runlevels won't matter Jul 10 00:22:21 ...unless they packaged debian-for-SD-cards differently for some arbitrary reason Jul 10 00:22:22 can't type anything on my n800 Jul 10 00:22:28 oh Jul 10 00:22:36 * Mousey huggles his n810 ^_^ Jul 10 00:22:48 something's gone horribly wrong Jul 10 00:22:51 I would get one but it's a lot more expensive than the n800 Jul 10 00:23:19 i know what u mean, but i personally had to have that hardware keyboard.. have a bluetooth keyb around? or maybe miniusb? Jul 10 00:23:22 would that even work i wonder? Jul 10 00:23:27 You can get a Samsung Q1 or an Asus R2H for only a bit more than an n810 Jul 10 00:23:35 god, why tho Jul 10 00:23:51 the q1 runs Ubuntu Netbook REmix i guess Jul 10 00:24:00 but the n810 is way more ninja Jul 10 00:24:01 ^_^ Jul 10 00:24:09 interesting.. I didn't know that Jul 10 00:24:11 They're huge Jul 10 00:24:11 x86 Debian means WAY more software support Jul 10 00:24:16 with no battery life Jul 10 00:24:20 Why would you want that? Jul 10 00:24:37 Because the n8x0 platform lacks essential apps Jul 10 00:24:38 I am still waiting for the ultimate device Jul 10 00:24:39 * Mousey browses porn in android Jul 10 00:25:33 the ultimate device would be clam shell with linux, touch screen, qwerty keyboard, usb 2.0, bluetooth, wifi, phone, huge internal storage, and a phone Jul 10 00:25:53 oh I said phone twice... ;) Jul 10 00:25:57 You mean a FlipStart Jul 10 00:26:08 http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/images/flipstart1.jpg Jul 10 00:26:18 the ultimate device would be if i could just wear this on my face: http://vuzix.com/iwear/products_vr920.html Jul 10 00:26:23 I thought the flip start was vapor hardware.. Jul 10 00:26:46 http://www.google.com/products?q=FlipStart Jul 10 00:27:58 Dekaritae, like what? Jul 10 00:27:58 "essential" is a very subjective term. Jul 10 00:28:14 flipstart looks fun, no linux tho? Jul 10 00:28:29 PIM suite, Plucker, XviD decoder Jul 10 00:28:42 too expensive.. I forgot to mention the ultimate device needs to be under 300 :P Jul 10 00:28:46 Er, it does XviD and plucker just fine. Jul 10 00:28:46 haha Jul 10 00:28:53 and there are two PIM suites. Jul 10 00:28:54 XviD playback on my 200mhz Zodiac is smoother than on my N800 Jul 10 00:28:59 More if you want to run KDE Jul 10 00:29:10 Eh, the Zodiac doesn't have to render to 800x480 Jul 10 00:29:25 I wish there were some gaming buttons on the n800.. Jul 10 00:29:26 There is no PIM suite that two-way syncs with Google, and there is no Plucker for Diablo Jul 10 00:29:42 FBReader supports Plucker Jul 10 00:29:48 and Chinook Plucker will work fine in Diablo. :\ Jul 10 00:30:14 FBreader supports it incompletely. It does not save hyperlink states Jul 10 00:30:19 wow, that android knows how to not die Jul 10 00:31:03 I use Plucker as an offline website/rss reader, so the document list is refreshed daily Jul 10 00:31:49 With FBReader, I can have all the documents in the library, but there is no way to tell which have been updated Jul 10 00:31:53 I think I might get the pandora when it comes out Jul 10 00:33:09 Hey, sjgadsby. :) Jul 10 00:33:12 http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 10 00:33:36 Hi, GeneralAntilles Jul 10 00:35:08 hey folks Jul 10 00:35:17 http://www.tabletpcreview.com/assets/2708.jpg Jul 10 00:35:35 hmm.. debian booted with xfce now.. must have been a corruption of some kind Jul 10 00:36:10 wow Jul 10 00:36:16 wtf is that, Dekaritae Jul 10 00:36:25 Samsung Q1B Jul 10 00:36:43 that's huge Jul 10 00:36:53 I would need something that fits in my pocket too Jul 10 00:37:10 Im sure everybody wants it =-P Jul 10 00:37:24 wolfspirit: in that case, I would make myself a pocket that big Jul 10 00:37:40 I have an MEC bag that would fit it perfectly Jul 10 00:38:03 n800 is close to perfect for me (would be cool if it was a phone too) if the n800 had hardware gaming controls and more emulators like the gp2x then I would be set.. which is why I think I will be getting the pandora Jul 10 00:39:02 NeoStrider_, how's 2-hour battery life sound? ;) Jul 10 00:39:31 GeneralAntilles: the same sound of my EeePC =P Jul 10 00:41:35 I had an eeepc.. the screen gave me a headache.. the n800's screen is more crisp and seems to be easier on my eyes Jul 10 00:42:46 wolfspirit: funny... I have a 770 here Jul 10 00:42:52 both screens look good Jul 10 00:43:08 each with its qualities Jul 10 00:43:30 eeepc looks brighter and clearer, while 770 is more sharp Jul 10 00:44:10 not sure.. maybe it was the refresh rate.. but it was hard to look at for more than 5 minutes Jul 10 00:44:12 The N800's screen is way better than the 770. Jul 10 00:44:24 Guys, I have a question....I've been totally out of the loop when it comes to my 770, I just recently charged it up and fell back in love, I'm currently running 4.2007.26-8...is that a good version? Jul 10 00:44:52 Knowledge, old, but fine. Jul 10 00:45:02 os2008 is better in my opinion.. diablo just came out too which is supposed to get rid of flash updates Jul 10 00:45:06 Might want to try out a more recent revision of OS2007HE, or maybe OS2008HE Jul 10 00:45:13 I was trying to look on the HE site for 07...but that version wasn't even on there Jul 10 00:45:17 Diablo isn't (yet) available for the 770. Jul 10 00:45:26 whats wrong with using Gregalle? Jul 10 00:45:31 I love its asthetic Jul 10 00:45:40 aesthetic? Jul 10 00:45:41 Cool, and is it possible to dual boot....mmc/internal? 07 and 08? Jul 10 00:45:41 ah.. I wasn't aware the 770 was that much different than the 800/810 Jul 10 00:45:45 :shudder: Jul 10 00:45:45 sorry Jul 10 00:45:50 false cognate Jul 10 00:45:54 Knowledge, yes. Jul 10 00:45:55 its beautiful Jul 10 00:46:03 OS2006 is absolutely horrifying. Jul 10 00:46:11 Fruitiest themes ever. Jul 10 00:46:11 GeneralAntilles: why? Jul 10 00:46:18 c'mon! Jul 10 00:46:22 Awful Jul 10 00:46:32 OS2008 is the only one that ships with a decent default theme. Jul 10 00:46:32 the orange theme never got out of my device Jul 10 00:46:50 I dont like those new themes from the other ITOSs Jul 10 00:47:10 (and personally, I think the 770 is the nicer design in the family) Jul 10 00:47:11 it's the funniest thing man, I fell into the hype of PDA phones, etc...and left my 770 behind, I just picked it up about 3 days ago and realized why I liked that damn thing so much Jul 10 00:47:30 Er, no themes were ever backported to OS2006 Jul 10 00:47:32 Knowledge: I feel the same Jul 10 00:48:02 Now, to start porting/making a ham contest logger for it...and I'm set for mobile use Jul 10 00:48:02 Knowledge: and the amazing fact - I have a linux phone, so its not the linux factor Jul 10 00:48:17 oh I understand, it's just something about it... Jul 10 00:48:40 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html <- That's just a good looking theme. Jul 10 00:48:40 I had the n800 and absolutely hated it. I sold it to get my 770 back Jul 10 00:48:40 it has a great sense of complete system Jul 10 00:48:46 its not a full computer Jul 10 00:48:51 but its still compelte Jul 10 00:48:52 complete Jul 10 00:48:57 Ugh Jul 10 00:49:01 How can you go back to the 770? Jul 10 00:49:05 I guess it only misses the clutter from full computers Jul 10 00:49:06 It's so slow. <_< Jul 10 00:49:15 Well, it depends...what do you do with it/ Jul 10 00:49:29 Everything Jul 10 00:49:44 Watch TV, watch movies, read books, xterm, ssh, irc, web browsing, games, etc, etc Jul 10 00:49:57 the only issues I had with the 770 was to use pidgin+internal messenger+terminal+opera+music player+file manager Jul 10 00:50:04 the device could barely handle it Jul 10 00:50:08 Me too...well, except the watch TV thing Jul 10 00:50:13 and for the first time I saw a "out of memory" message Jul 10 00:50:32 I don't have an issue with it... Jul 10 00:50:34 I cant read ebooks Jul 10 00:50:38 I simply hate it Jul 10 00:51:35 I guess I just accepted the fact that it's not a 2.0 ghz processor in it....it does what it says it's supposed to and a lot more....so I'm content...now the n810? that's a different story...I want me one of those Jul 10 00:52:04 I've read dozens and dozens of ebooks on my tablets. Jul 10 00:52:07 Absolutely love it. Jul 10 00:52:11 Knowledge: the N810 is more like the EeePC than the 770, right? Jul 10 00:52:17 its a diferent usage Jul 10 00:52:19 I would agree Jul 10 00:52:26 Er, how so? Jul 10 00:52:32 It's smaller than the 770 Jul 10 00:52:40 The n810?!? Jul 10 00:52:40 I took a trip to Toronto and got the 770 with me Jul 10 00:52:40 So I'm not sure how it's more Eee PC like. . . . Jul 10 00:52:53 The N810 is significantly smaller than the 770 and N800 Jul 10 00:52:57 in there, I also bought the EeePC, and still used both Jul 10 00:53:01 No shit?....wow... Jul 10 00:53:13 I didn't know that, I've yet to see an 810 in person Jul 10 00:53:18 GeneralAntilles: I mean, its use cases Jul 10 00:53:28 http://www.latheofdreams.com/N810/Nseries-threetablets.jpg Jul 10 00:53:29 damn it, now I really want one Jul 10 00:53:29 I am thinking about an EEEPC or one of the new DELL MIDs for my wife Jul 10 00:53:38 How is its use-case any different from the 770's? Jul 10 00:53:46 oh yeah, no dpad Jul 10 00:53:49 on the front Jul 10 00:53:59 the full keyboard adds a whole new uses cases Jul 10 00:54:09 try typing a paragraph in the 770 touchscreen Jul 10 00:54:18 I wish the DPad had been left, or at the very least some kind of ALT-key value for the Home/Esacpe keys Jul 10 00:54:31 GeneralAntilles: use-case....it's not different...but yeah, the keyboard is really a big plus Jul 10 00:54:34 I wouldn't say it's significantly smaller Jul 10 00:54:34 http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fV1V8sW1L9s/R5XJyIWBhoI/AAAAAAAAAew/STItRt4m0Gs/IMG_1646.JPG Jul 10 00:54:47 Well, Proteous, on a mobile-device scale. ;) Jul 10 00:54:52 good Lord, that thing is smaller... Jul 10 00:54:54 I want Jul 10 00:54:56 heh Jul 10 00:55:13 I do <3 my n810 Jul 10 00:55:16 I wish they had made a case like the n770 too. I hate soft cases Jul 10 00:55:45 I got to go Jul 10 00:55:46 dinner time Jul 10 00:55:48 Eh, I'd rather have the kickstand. Jul 10 00:56:04 I don't know man, something about the n800 pissed me off...I guess I was so used to the sleek look of the 770, when they went to the whole shiny "look at me I'm an n800" look....blah Jul 10 00:56:16 I love my N800 Jul 10 00:56:22 Greatest thing I've ever owned. Jul 10 00:56:28 Nokia could have made some kind of Side flip top similiar to on the 770 though. Something a little more pocket-durable Jul 10 00:56:34 I dont like its look Jul 10 00:56:37 n810 looks better Jul 10 00:56:50 I would consider trading my n810 for an n800 except for the lack of a transflective screen Jul 10 00:56:53 by a long shot...but of course, these are only personal opinions. Jul 10 00:57:04 Medic119: really? why? Jul 10 00:57:09 (just curious) Jul 10 00:57:11 I hope they give us dual card slots back for the N900. Jul 10 00:57:27 oh yeah, speaking of which, what IS next? Jul 10 00:57:38 I don't really NEED a keyboard for my daily use. I rarely open it up. Just use the HWR. The Dpad on front and such would be more to my usability Jul 10 00:57:48 is it officially dubbed the N900? Jul 10 00:58:02 Not to mention REal SD slots, and I hate having a "Built-in" slot replacing one of my card slots Jul 10 00:58:11 Medic119: I agree with the dpad thing... Jul 10 00:58:23 SD slots.....yeah, I'll side with you on that too Jul 10 00:58:45 even 2 MicroSD/Transflash slots would have been better than one slot and a built in card Jul 10 00:59:00 I'm still wondering where the hell I got my 4.2007.26-8...I can't find it anywhere. Jul 10 00:59:01 BTW, Has anyone cared to see if the internal card is replacable or hard soldered? Jul 10 00:59:15 I heard that it's soldered on Jul 10 00:59:19 Knowledge, it's not official anything. Nokia doesn't announce future hardware plans. ;) Jul 10 00:59:31 yeah, i forgot... Jul 10 00:59:32 Medic119, sure, if you can do the work and find the right part. Jul 10 00:59:33 I *heard* that too, but has anyone actually looked, posted pics, etc? Jul 10 00:59:40 so no time line or anything... Jul 10 00:59:42 Knowledge, read up on the OMAP3430, though. Jul 10 00:59:46 GeneralAntilles: The last Plucker version is not installable on Diablo Jul 10 00:59:52 anyone else get "network error" in maps when refreshing the maps list ? Jul 10 00:59:55 Knowledge, I'm guessing Q4 2008 or Q1 2009. Jul 10 01:00:02 Dekaritae, pastebin? Jul 10 01:00:19 Aha, ok. waiting for next Nxxx it is Jul 10 01:00:19 http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/app-install.shtml Jul 10 01:00:20 I haven't looked personaly. but if I was Nokia, and cramped for space in a tiny device I wouldn't put a slot in there when i could just solder something to the board Jul 10 01:00:37 There is no incompatibility, it just says "Status" not installable" Jul 10 01:00:44 BTW, has anyone noticed any performance hits with the Diablo rotate stuff? I noticed some kind of hit in Chinook, but never tracked it down. Jul 10 01:00:53 "Application is incompatible with current software" Jul 10 01:01:04 GeneralAntilles: how'd you come up with that? Just seems like the next reasonable thing? Jul 10 01:01:15 Same error for libsqlite0 Jul 10 01:01:28 wow, how much more shit could they cram onto a chip Jul 10 01:01:34 Knowledge, yeah, it's the next logical step. Jul 10 01:01:37 Pretty much can't be anything else. Jul 10 01:01:39 I see. Jul 10 01:01:43 Knowledge, not much. ;) Jul 10 01:02:17 I might get the N810 (non wimax) just to have the line - the 800 Jul 10 01:02:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 Jul 10 01:02:25 OpenGL on OMAP3 Jul 10 01:02:37 GeneralAntilles: It is likely that Plucker has only been built for OS2007 Jul 10 01:02:55 Try it with dpkg -i ./ Dekaritae? Jul 10 01:02:56 Wow! Get Compiz on the n900....lol Jul 10 01:03:01 Funny, someone will complain about frame rate Jul 10 01:03:17 Compiz would need some poking to run on an OMAP Jul 10 01:03:17 Dekarite: Doesn't FBReader support Plucker files? Jul 10 01:03:40 Yes but it does not mark read hyperlinks as read which makes it useless Jul 10 01:03:40 but there was a little . . . whispering about accelerated interfaces at LinuxTag. Jul 10 01:03:53 It would just be neat to have the window effects on a NIT. Talk about getting all my WindowsMobile friends jaws to drop. openSUSE still does that now. Jul 10 01:03:55 And it does not mark read documents as read Jul 10 01:04:09 The OMAP3 can also pretty much decode 720p. Jul 10 01:04:20 Alright, so...07HE or 08HE?....or does no one own the 770 here? Jul 10 01:04:27 Knowledge, I have two. ;) Jul 10 01:04:28 I am watching liqbase closely as it may outshine FBReader if the right support is added as it develops. Jul 10 01:04:32 OS2008HE on both. Jul 10 01:04:35 oh wow haha Jul 10 01:04:42 Dekarite: What about plucker via GarnetVM? Jul 10 01:04:47 and 08HE is what came on the 810? Jul 10 01:05:13 anyone else get "network error" in maps (wayfinder) when refreshing the maps list ? Jul 10 01:05:31 Medic119: No access to media cards, no support for FontSmoother Jul 10 01:05:52 Medic119: I will end up purchasing an x86 tablet to replace N800 Jul 10 01:06:49 The Q1B has battery life comparable to a Nokia or Palm device Jul 10 01:07:00 OS2008 is what came on the N810 Jul 10 01:07:06 OS2008HE is the backport to the 770. Jul 10 01:07:08 Whats the price point though? Jul 10 01:07:19 GeneralAntilles: gotcha... Jul 10 01:07:39 I wonder how hard it would be to port amateur radio software to the 770.... Jul 10 01:07:54 There's a doc on maemo.org Jul 10 01:08:06 Some GTK stuff with recompile straight away Jul 10 01:08:17 The HAM Radio stuff isn't too high tech if I remember right. It was mostly all in the calbles, but that was years ago Jul 10 01:08:44 I have seen Samsung Q1 tablets on eBay for ~ $550 Jul 10 01:09:05 Well, yeah I'm not even shooting for control of the radio...shit...that would be amazing...but rather general logging software...should be easy Jul 10 01:09:15 not really as pocketable as a NIT Jul 10 01:09:19 not bad, but its *used*..lol Doesn't it sort of lack power though as a full tablet? Jul 10 01:09:21 Could anyone please just start up Maps, and tell me if they can refresh the map list , Jul 10 01:09:22 ? Jul 10 01:09:30 No. Jul 10 01:09:32 Never. Jul 10 01:09:39 Actually, no. Jul 10 01:09:43 What the? Jul 10 01:09:46 I'm going to start it up and try and refresh it. Jul 10 01:09:51 But I'm not going to tell you how it turns out. :P Jul 10 01:09:55 lol Jul 10 01:09:56 general, did you just have a conversation with yourself? Jul 10 01:10:00 * ralann looks for n810 ... hah Jul 10 01:10:01 no, with me Jul 10 01:10:03 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260259781412 Jul 10 01:10:17 GeneralAntilles, I'll give you another nice ascii art finger if you do :) Jul 10 01:10:26 haha Jul 10 01:10:30 ascii art Jul 10 01:10:35 classic Jul 10 01:10:43 \o/ Jul 10 01:10:46 Dekarite: Yeah, I looked at those. Kinda underpoered though. Light on RAM too Jul 10 01:10:47 oh look at the time Jul 10 01:10:48 /o/ Jul 10 01:10:49 810 Jul 10 01:10:50 \o\ Jul 10 01:10:54 |o| Jul 10 01:10:58 \o/ Jul 10 01:11:10 I feel like I'm back on AOL 3.0 Jul 10 01:11:19 crashanddie, appears to refresh fine. Jul 10 01:11:26 WHAT WOULD MAEK U FEEL LIKE THAAAT??!! Jul 10 01:11:53 CAPSLOCK IS CRUSE CONTROL FOR AWESOME Jul 10 01:12:15 *cough* Jul 10 01:12:19 Hey, anyone notice any perfromance hit with the Diablo Rotate stuff? Jul 10 01:12:26 damnit Jul 10 01:12:29 doesn't wanna work here Jul 10 01:12:29 Proteous, you have a lot of those. You should probably get that checked on. :P Jul 10 01:12:30 I heard you say that earlier Jul 10 01:12:36 GeneralAntilles, you have a-gps installed or not ? Jul 10 01:12:44 I don't have an N810. ;) Jul 10 01:12:47 IT'S A TRAP!! Jul 10 01:12:49 But, uh, yeah. . . . :D Jul 10 01:13:12 lies, you posted a picture with one in it Jul 10 01:13:14 anyone got an n810 ? Jul 10 01:13:21 crashanddie: a new build of a-gps was out today Jul 10 01:13:21 I do Jul 10 01:13:29 Medic119, I know, I have the update Jul 10 01:13:37 Haven't played with it yet to see if it improved anything though Jul 10 01:13:50 but I don't currently have a data cable with which to flash my device Jul 10 01:13:52 * Proteous cries Jul 10 01:13:53 Proteous, could you please check if you can refresh the downloadable map list ? Jul 10 01:14:11 gesh, whine whine whine, those maps suck anyway Jul 10 01:14:12 :P Jul 10 01:14:13 sure Jul 10 01:14:15 one sec Jul 10 01:14:33 I have been playing with that Roadmap app. Not bad.. Jul 10 01:15:18 seems to be refreshing fine for mee Jul 10 01:15:25 djeezus Jul 10 01:15:37 refreshed fine for me Jul 10 01:15:44 I have read that the maps can get fuxored easy, and that the solution is to delete the maps directory Jul 10 01:16:08 although if you have already dled some maps it can be a pain to redownload that much data Jul 10 01:16:14 heh Jul 10 01:16:23 I don't mind the downloads Jul 10 01:16:30 fast interwebs ftw Jul 10 01:16:32 but still Jul 10 01:16:34 later folks.. Jul 10 01:16:35 it's a pita Jul 10 01:16:46 and I don't want to delete my current maps if I can't get it back Jul 10 01:16:46 wait, is there a better place to find out how to dual boot a 770 instead of iTt? Jul 10 01:16:55 im back Jul 10 01:16:59 wb Jul 10 01:17:02 and you guys to try my game Jul 10 01:17:11 complete sentences please Jul 10 01:17:28 I was just thinking that....I was going to say "where's the rest of that sentence" Jul 10 01:17:32 heh Jul 10 01:17:38 how about it? Jul 10 01:17:43 what was the question again? Jul 10 01:17:48 haha Jul 10 01:17:48 brazilian dude, please be patient Jul 10 01:18:00 me? Jul 10 01:18:01 Knowledge, this is largely applicable. https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Jul 10 01:18:12 Knowledge, no, neo Jul 10 01:18:14 The kernel module locations are a bit different. Jul 10 01:18:16 oh... Jul 10 01:18:25 I knew there was a site with TONS of info... Jul 10 01:18:27 as is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_strip_club Jul 10 01:18:27 thanks General Jul 10 01:18:45 Proteous, typo, it's "Getting_booty_from_a_strip_club" Jul 10 01:18:46 Knowledge, there's an old maemowiki, too. Jul 10 01:18:52 mostly only applicable if you are training to be a bouncer Jul 10 01:18:55 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ Jul 10 01:18:58 Which may have some information. Jul 10 01:19:08 Knowledge, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Jul 10 01:19:29 thanks a lot Jul 10 01:19:43 https://wiki.maemo.org/howto_easily_bootleg_from_the_back_of_your_van Jul 10 01:19:53 crashanddie: why? how? what? Jul 10 01:20:07 NeoStrider_, where ? who ? when ? Jul 10 01:20:10 (thats what www stands for, btw =-P) Jul 10 01:20:22 brazilian dude, please be patient Jul 10 01:20:22 erhm... Jul 10 01:20:29 "how" starts with a w ? Jul 10 01:20:53 oops...I got a how in the middle of it...my hands and my head think diferently =-P Jul 10 01:20:56 stripclub booty is not the kind you want, but if you do get some you will need: https://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_easily_get_rid_of_genital_warts Jul 10 01:21:03 NeoStrider_, dual core, nice Jul 10 01:21:05 crashanddie: it's silent... Jul 10 01:21:07 the w Jul 10 01:21:25 ok, crashanddie, you gonna try it? Jul 10 01:21:39 Knowledge, woh, wsorry... wI'wm wnot wused wto wsilent ww's Jul 10 01:21:53 NeoStrider_, try what ? Jul 10 01:21:54 hahaha Jul 10 01:21:58 that's awesome Jul 10 01:22:02 my game Jul 10 01:22:24 http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzk Jul 10 01:22:30 is it the "What's in my pants" game, because I've played that one, and it's not as fun as it sounds Jul 10 01:22:43 I prefer "Who's in my mouth?" Jul 10 01:22:49 heh Jul 10 01:23:04 tested on 770 ;-) Jul 10 01:23:16 I want to know if it works well on N8x0 Jul 10 01:24:00 NeoStrider_, speak to me when im not tired, remind me about your game please. Jul 10 01:24:11 the description text should read: "tools to help create games" not "tools to help creating games" Jul 10 01:24:24 thats 3d simple graphics isnt it Jul 10 01:24:44 yup, lcuk Jul 10 01:25:06 so I dont lose my soul making super-duper-graphics and forget about the fun Jul 10 01:25:09 how smooth are the graphics, do you have a youtube Jul 10 01:25:13 im not on device at the mo Jul 10 01:25:18 well Jul 10 01:25:26 not all that smooth on the 770 Jul 10 01:25:29 playable Jul 10 01:25:39 have you got an 8x0 Jul 10 01:26:05 not really Jul 10 01:26:27 not really, you need one - they are faster Jul 10 01:26:28 the thing is: I know the processor is faster, but the video bus is slower Jul 10 01:26:31 right, have you seen liqbase? Jul 10 01:26:55 if not, you might be in for a surprise - with the kind of graphics you are doing it might be VERY compatible Jul 10 01:26:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI Jul 10 01:27:28 25fps 800*480 on n8x0 minimal if none tearing Jul 10 01:27:41 display resolution choise arbitary and scales to fullscreen Jul 10 01:27:46 choice ^ Jul 10 01:28:19 *envy* Jul 10 01:28:25 its open source :) Jul 10 01:28:52 come back on tomorrow night, i would like to talk to you :) Jul 10 01:29:00 sure Jul 10 01:29:15 mine is open source too, but I dare anyone can understand my code Jul 10 01:29:16 we need decent games built with this device in mind Jul 10 01:29:22 simple fast effective and playable Jul 10 01:29:35 likewise - a meeting of minds would be the best approach Jul 10 01:29:42 see where things are compatible Jul 10 01:29:54 a movie about my game: Jul 10 01:29:55 http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=2ulAlQFD9S0 Jul 10 01:29:58 find out how best to approach it Jul 10 01:30:01 it got a little better than that Jul 10 01:30:22 this is not on the device is it Jul 10 01:30:43 not really Jul 10 01:30:54 but the recording application made it as slow as the device Jul 10 01:31:06 heh :) well lets see what we can do if anything Jul 10 01:31:14 i notice you say its a bit of a game dev kit Jul 10 01:31:24 hang on, im gonna put it on my device Jul 10 01:31:25 yes Jul 10 01:31:29 I made it very modular Jul 10 01:31:48 I've indeed used some parts of it on my college assignments hehe Jul 10 01:31:55 cool, when my 810 signs in can you spam the link again please Jul 10 01:32:15 sure Jul 10 01:32:20 here is another video: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=AzH2wW7bzB8 Jul 10 01:32:41 this time, with a crapy spoken english, a EeePC and my laptop Jul 10 01:32:47 how fast are graphics on eee? Jul 10 01:32:51 do they need a boost as well? Jul 10 01:33:05 humm...on the EeePC, it is "adequate" Jul 10 01:33:16 specially when compared with penguin racer Jul 10 01:33:17 i wonder... Jul 10 01:33:27 some games do lag, some games segfault Jul 10 01:33:32 I dont know why Jul 10 01:33:34 lcuk, I committed some stuff to a working directory if you want to watch. Jul 10 01:33:38 crashanddie, you watchin Jul 10 01:33:38 GeneralAntilles: I has solution. Jul 10 01:33:58 cool gen, yer Jul 10 01:34:02 * lcuk should be sleeping Jul 10 01:34:09 lcdd, ey ? Jul 10 01:34:26 I use dapper.net to generate full-content RSS feeds for web sites and use the built-in RSS reader Jul 10 01:36:12 NeoStrider_, wheres the link to the .deb Jul 10 01:36:24 lcuk.. cool app.. can we get that anywhere right now? Jul 10 01:36:39 click on "download bzk toolset" Jul 10 01:36:58 yer, but theres no .deb at the moment Jul 10 01:37:31 NeoStrider_, my 810 is in the room, can i have a link to the site.. Jul 10 01:37:41 humm Jul 10 01:37:41 hello o/ Jul 10 01:38:09 let me check Jul 10 01:38:20 I know I have it on my geocities Jul 10 01:38:34 I also have it on Nokia Mosh Jul 10 01:39:07 didnt you come in asking people to download it up there ^ Jul 10 01:39:24 http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzk Jul 10 01:39:28 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzk/angstron_0.99_N770_RC2.deb?modtime=1211497631&big_mirror=0 Jul 10 01:39:37 yes, but you didnt seem to like it Jul 10 01:39:38 ta Jul 10 01:39:43 "ta"? Jul 10 01:39:52 thank you Jul 10 01:40:05 ta is a common Brazillian expression =-P Jul 10 01:40:27 oh no, libdbus-1.2 required and missing Jul 10 01:40:34 hummm Jul 10 01:40:37 damn it Jul 10 01:40:43 libxau0 Jul 10 01:40:50 n810 must be using some diferent stuff Jul 10 01:40:51 :D heh Jul 10 01:41:12 ok, dont worry, ive got the link, ill have a play tomorrow and see if i can make head or tail of it Jul 10 01:41:15 Im always delaying a "pure" version, only requiring SDL Jul 10 01:41:27 (for my EZX and PocketPC port) Jul 10 01:41:35 im very interested in seeing whether liqbase code would work well for 8x0 Jul 10 01:41:55 dont forget to check out my code @ SVN Jul 10 01:41:58 as in a full game Jul 10 01:42:02 yer, i will do :) Jul 10 01:42:06 its messy, but works Jul 10 01:42:26 its funny but (engine)->(game) is a huge step Jul 10 01:42:41 we (game engine designers) tend to understimate it Jul 10 01:43:02 and Im still designing some FSM to use on it Jul 10 01:43:29 please Jul 10 01:43:30 please Jul 10 01:43:33 no, i understand your problem totally - im aiming for an ide - i am a code engine designer i suppose Jul 10 01:43:37 don't use ()->() no more Jul 10 01:43:43 lardman gave us enough Jul 10 01:43:57 hahahah, ok Jul 10 01:44:31 lcuk, indeed , Im still thinking of ways to make code compile to my FSM Jul 10 01:44:42 maybe you know anything about it Jul 10 01:45:16 (lcuk, cool accent, btw) Jul 10 01:46:13 "lainuux teeeg" Jul 10 01:49:10 my god everyone has mentioned that Jul 10 01:49:18 * lcuk facepalms and removes it from the internet Jul 10 01:49:25 U HAVE A WEERD ACENT!!! Jul 10 01:49:39 it was veeery late Jul 10 01:50:45 s/A /UH / Jul 10 01:50:45 GeneralAntilles meant: U HAVE UH WEERD ACENT!!! Jul 10 01:52:21 c'mon folks Jul 10 01:52:27 his acent is cool Jul 10 01:52:30 way cool Jul 10 01:52:49 i close my eyes and hear Darth Vader Jul 10 01:53:01 v.. Jul 10 01:53:24 omg Jul 10 01:54:44 * lcuk stops speaking out of his nose Jul 10 01:55:22 Ha, don't lie. Jul 10 01:55:25 You CAN'T! :P Jul 10 01:55:43 we already got General Antilles and Darth Vader...what else now? Jul 10 01:55:58 I can probably get a wookie in here if you give me a little time. Jul 10 01:56:16 or if you give me a little beer and some time without shaving Jul 10 01:56:42 s/little/some Jul 10 01:56:47 (damn portuguese language) Jul 10 01:57:06 Meh, little works well enough. Jul 10 01:57:24 I wouldn't bat an eye at a native speaker using little there. ;) Jul 10 01:58:00 but my english should be "great" Jul 10 01:58:06 Hehe Jul 10 01:58:06 I just came from a course in toronto Jul 10 01:58:13 got a 9! Jul 10 01:59:47 I dont know...my english just degraded since then Jul 10 02:00:17 Join the club Jul 10 02:00:27 My English degrades all the time, and I speak it natively! :D Jul 10 02:01:47 yeah, but I dont watch native speaking television =-P Jul 10 02:04:43 Ha Jul 10 02:04:55 lcuk: I need this jot app in my EZX phone... Jul 10 02:06:44 NeoStrider_, :) Jul 10 02:07:01 theres a lot more of it to come Jul 10 02:07:12 bute for now i must sleep Jul 10 02:07:17 o/ Jul 10 02:07:18 Update: Map (wayfinder) doesn't even reach for the network Jul 10 02:07:22 lcuk, gtfo Jul 10 02:07:28 go on , my friend Jul 10 02:08:24 gnite little internet Jul 10 02:09:19 gnight Jul 10 02:11:00 are there no more repository lists? specifically for 08HE? Jul 10 02:11:40 who here has an n810 and lives in the UK ? Jul 10 02:11:51 wow...2008 is sluggish on a 770 Jul 10 02:11:53 imp Jul 10 02:11:56 imo too Jul 10 02:12:03 Turn on swap Jul 10 02:12:10 duhh.... Jul 10 02:12:10 and up the swapiness. Jul 10 02:12:10 wow Jul 10 02:12:22 I've really been out of the loop...I forgot half this shit Jul 10 02:12:25 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seatbelt/ Jul 10 02:12:26 thanks again General Jul 10 02:13:39 64 mb is the highest for swap? Jul 10 02:13:50 Yes Jul 10 02:13:56 hmm fair enough Jul 10 02:13:58 Unless you do more from the console Jul 10 02:13:59 But, meh. Jul 10 02:14:19 yeah really...I'm going to boot from mmc anyhow...so, i'm sure I could change that then Jul 10 02:16:58 So about the app manager...adding repos to it?...anyone know of a list? Jul 10 02:17:14 gronmayer.com/it Jul 10 02:17:23 Extras should mostly cover what you need, though. Jul 10 02:17:30 Especially with OS2008HE Jul 10 02:21:53 woahhh....nice Jul 10 02:35:29 evening Jul 10 02:37:05 so what is people's general opinion of Diablo ? Jul 10 02:37:26 Awesome. Jul 10 02:38:20 any issues with chinook apps ? Jul 10 02:38:39 * boolean just flashed it's n800 with diablo Jul 10 02:38:42 Only stupid ones with bad dependencies. Jul 10 02:39:56 like? Jul 10 02:40:21 Don't know of any off-hand. Jul 10 02:41:05 well for starters, the whole gpe PIM packages didn't do to well Jul 10 02:41:56 did they fix/allow ppl to change any of the panels now ? Jul 10 02:42:39 "panels"? Jul 10 02:42:54 settings->control panel->panels Jul 10 02:43:08 Er, you couldn't change the plugins before? Jul 10 02:43:26 some n but not all Jul 10 02:43:34 example: could not delete rhapsody Jul 10 02:44:03 Just install it and uninstall it Jul 10 02:44:06 or remove the .desktop file Jul 10 02:44:16 That's not a "panel" item, really, though. Jul 10 02:44:22 That's an Application menu item. Jul 10 02:44:35 oh .. thanks for the clarification Jul 10 02:45:02 Just delete the .desktops you don't want in the application menu from /usr/share/applications/hildon Jul 10 02:45:20 heh ... kewl Jul 10 02:45:26 * boolean is just getting openssh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 10 02:59:57 2008