**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 02:59:56 2008 Jul 11 03:08:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcQ7RkyBoBc Jul 11 03:08:32 rofl Jul 11 03:12:16 pupnik posted that already a few days ago :P Jul 11 03:15:33 ah :P well, it's awesome Jul 11 03:19:50 rm_you is so behind the curve. Jul 11 03:20:44 lol Jul 11 03:23:28 rm_you: this is great :D Jul 11 03:24:10 see, someone hadn't seen it :P Jul 11 03:25:23 it was pasted before but was at some slow site Jul 11 03:25:57 heh mass media class... trying hard not to think of USB Jul 11 03:25:58 hrm, got on a youtube browsing streak... they have 3d tvs now? >_> Jul 11 03:26:32 bwahaha, arrange by penis Jul 11 03:26:36 WOWvx 3D? anyone seen one IRL? Jul 11 03:27:50 lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201589#post201589 Jul 11 03:28:52 having your own version of the video there GeneralAntilles? Jul 11 03:29:08 t_s_o, thankfully he hasn't mentioned his penis yet. ;) Jul 11 03:29:44 hope he never do... Jul 11 03:29:58 lol Jul 11 03:30:16 awesome conversation there Jul 11 03:30:52 have someone made a .install file for the chinook extra dir? i fear the forum is about to implode because of that... Jul 11 03:31:09 lol Jul 11 03:31:13 t_s_o, it's long gone. Jul 11 03:31:20 It was the same thing last november Jul 11 03:31:30 heh, figures Jul 11 03:31:42 At least we don't have anybody asking why they need libhildon0 <_< Jul 11 03:33:19 hmm, seems its listed on gronmeyer now so i just copied the link from there :P Jul 11 03:33:41 Diablo Extras should be mostly there in a couple weeks Jul 11 03:33:49 so hopefully it'll resolve itself. Jul 11 03:34:38 Ugh Jul 11 03:34:54 or maybe i gave the wrong link. bah... Jul 11 03:34:55 Can trying to solicit money on Planet be grounds for removing that feed? Jul 11 03:35:07 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ Jul 11 03:35:10 See aisu's entry. <_< Jul 11 03:37:21 :S Jul 11 03:37:50 The digg links that get inserted into the bottom of a bunch of entries piss me off, too. Jul 11 03:39:06 * GeneralAntilles thumbs all of aisu's entries. Jul 11 03:57:11 GAH forgot for a second my laptop is a convertable tabletpc >_> Jul 11 03:57:44 grabbed the botton of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P Jul 11 03:57:53 s/botton/bottom/ Jul 11 03:57:54 rm_you meant: grabbed the bottom of the screen to turn it towards me and the screen clicked and started rotating without the base :P Jul 11 03:58:08 scared the crap out of me Jul 11 03:59:21 interesting bot Jul 11 03:59:22 . . . Jul 11 03:59:34 s/bot/lol Jul 11 03:59:39 aw Jul 11 03:59:45 close it properly. . . . Jul 11 03:59:53 It's only interesting function is sed. Jul 11 03:59:56 oh heh Jul 11 04:00:16 s/heh/k/ Jul 11 04:00:17 Raytray meant: oh k Jul 11 04:00:46 and other things Jul 11 04:01:06 ~lart GeneralAntilles a clue Jul 11 04:01:07 * infobot wallops GeneralAntilles a clue with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long Jul 11 04:01:14 bah i did that wrong Jul 11 04:01:21 Whose is it? Jul 11 04:01:21 ~lart rm_you for not having a clue Jul 11 04:01:22 * infobot puts rm_you into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of rm_you's hair of for not having a clue Jul 11 04:01:26 ~lart rm_you with competence Jul 11 04:01:26 * infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down rm_you with competence's throat until rm_you with competence puts on 150lbs Jul 11 04:01:32 TimRiker Jul 11 04:01:38 It's in a bunch of Linux channels. Jul 11 04:01:42 ~list Jul 11 04:01:46 one warez list being sent Jul 11 04:01:46 ~chanlist Jul 11 04:01:51 OK then Jul 11 04:01:58 lol? Jul 11 04:02:01 ~list Jul 11 04:02:03 one warez list being sent Jul 11 04:02:05 Ha Jul 11 04:02:07 random Jul 11 04:02:24 ~lart infobot for lieing Jul 11 04:02:25 * infobot beats rm_you severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for lieing Jul 11 04:02:29 lol Jul 11 04:02:37 ~lart rm_you for falling for that Jul 11 04:02:38 * infobot teaches rm_you for falling the basics, including how to RTM for that Jul 11 04:02:50 wow that is very unpredictable Jul 11 04:02:59 ~cookie rm_you Jul 11 04:03:06 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... Jul 11 04:03:17 No. Jul 11 04:03:22 I'm taking away your bot privileges. Jul 11 04:03:29 ono Jul 11 04:03:39 s/ono/oyes/ Jul 11 04:03:40 rm_you meant: oyes Jul 11 04:13:03 what happened to gronmayer? Jul 11 04:13:56 So there is a google filter that blocks explicit content.... Why isn't there a google filter that blocks non-explicit content? :P Jul 11 04:16:24 lol Jul 11 04:16:51 I definitely see distinctly valid uses for each :) Jul 11 04:22:51 can anyone suggest a sip service provider? Jul 11 04:23:00 ekiga.net Jul 11 04:23:50 they offer a quality service, other than their software being included with GNOME? Jul 11 04:23:59 sipphone.net Jul 11 04:24:20 er, http://sipphone.com/ Jul 11 04:24:24 yigal: yep :P Jul 11 04:25:15 ok two good ones, I think I want to try this method, haven't done it before Jul 11 04:25:34 I tried skype a couple of years ago and then didn't bother with it afterwords Jul 11 04:25:59 Too bad GrandCentral isn't handing out anymore invites. Jul 11 04:29:39 GeneralAntilles: for sipphone.com just use the gizmo application that comes with os2008? Jul 11 04:29:49 You could Jul 11 04:29:53 But I use the built-in client Jul 11 04:30:03 don't have to have the Gizmo application taking up space in the taskbar all the time. Jul 11 04:30:11 makes sense Jul 11 04:40:18 GeneralAntilles: like all of your advice sipphone hits the nail on the head for what my needs are, I bow to your knowledge Jul 11 04:40:28 Glad to have helped. :) Jul 11 04:40:30 :) Jul 11 04:40:38 it did very much Jul 11 04:50:41 GeneralAntilles: so I actually need to use the gizmo software first in order to create an account and then I can delete it? Jul 11 04:52:39 or install on another machine to set it up, initially Jul 11 04:54:21 yes, a little off topic don't worry it's simple enough to do Jul 11 04:57:52 yigal, you can register on the website. Jul 11 05:04:25 too late :) Jul 11 05:05:22 can i mount my FS from my ubuntu box on a diablo runnign n800? Jul 11 05:06:25 Prez00_, are you asking if you can mount your rootfs in two places at the same time? :\ Jul 11 05:06:50 no, just mount a share from my ubuntu box on the n800 Jul 11 05:07:01 Ah, right Jul 11 05:07:02 Sure Jul 11 05:07:09 There's a dozen and one ways to do it. Jul 11 05:08:08 good deal, will google for one.. Jul 11 05:09:12 sshfs and samba are two valid options. Jul 11 05:14:14 got it Jul 11 05:14:23 found a mount wizard... Jul 11 05:37:26 uh It seems like ukmp does not uses canola covers :/ at least it download them from the internet. Jul 11 05:42:15 BLAH, back in debian, windoze is a nightmare Jul 11 05:44:06 Indeed Jul 11 06:19:07 wow, the bluetooth in my phone is like... TOO powerful >_> Jul 11 06:19:34 trying to use blue-proximity to lock my machine when i walk away... Jul 11 06:19:58 Put some aluminum foil around the antenna. :P Jul 11 06:20:03 but i can freaking wall outside my apartment, down the hall, out of wireless internet range, and it still thinks i'm within like 10 feet Jul 11 06:20:09 based on signal strength :P Jul 11 06:20:27 s/wall/walk/ (yes, this isn't going to work) Jul 11 06:21:12 rm_you: use the rssi strength instead? Jul 11 06:21:12 faraday cage! Jul 11 06:21:16 that's sure to vary Jul 11 06:21:54 rssi? Jul 11 06:21:59 what does it use by default? Jul 11 06:22:44 i think thats what it does Jul 11 06:22:45 probably just detecting the bluetooth device is detectable Jul 11 06:23:05 ah Jul 11 06:23:06 It connects to your mobile phone via bluetooth and uses the rssi value – something like the automatically set transmission power – to get a distance approximation. Jul 11 06:23:11 so yeah Jul 11 06:23:39 they're saying that a value of 7 for them means like, across the room Jul 11 06:23:54 they don't measure in dbm? :P odd Jul 11 06:24:00 i walked down the hall from my apartment, and with three closed doors behind me i had a 9 Jul 11 06:24:23 i can go ANYWHERE in this apartment and still have a 0 Jul 11 06:24:32 and it isn't a small apartment Jul 11 06:24:45 maybe i will try using n800 as the device instead of my cell Jul 11 06:27:18 lol Jul 11 06:29:44 bah i think it is cause of the bluetooth dongle i'm using in my PC >_> Jul 11 06:30:43 it's a class 1 Jul 11 06:31:06 here's a crazy kooky question. Let's say I have stuff set up in a way I'd like to preserve. Like on makes an image of a freshly installed PC ready to go, how might I grab a snapshot of the boot part and later restore it if need be? Jul 11 06:31:56 burnte: on a live PC, not in a virtual machine? Jul 11 06:32:19 burnte, an image of the N8*0? Jul 11 06:32:27 n810, yeah Jul 11 06:32:30 sorry for leaving that out Jul 11 06:32:33 ah lol Jul 11 06:32:40 I guess that's kidn of "important" Jul 11 06:32:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 Jul 11 06:32:58 I've been up for 0 hours and I'm not 15 anymore, DON'T JUDGE ME! Jul 11 06:33:07 yeah, see, that 0 should have been 20 Jul 11 06:33:09 * burnte fails Jul 11 06:33:13 heh Jul 11 06:33:16 * burnte looks at the link provided Jul 11 06:33:40 If you don't have an mmc partition to restore from, using the linux/macos flasher should restore it fine. Jul 11 06:33:47 I'VE been up for 0 hours. Jul 11 06:33:57 XTLi: Is it as good as I've heard it is? Jul 11 06:34:16 qwerty12: Thankfully, 2gb internal, so, that's good stuff. Jul 11 06:35:10 burnte: I don't know. By the time I wake up, all I have is very obscure logs and occasionally some code Jul 11 06:35:11 qwerty12: Also, it seems that the post you linked is pretty much exactly what I want to do. Jul 11 06:35:19 Cool :) Jul 11 06:35:34 XTLi: I have the obscure logs, but usually an empty bowl of cereal instead of code. Jul 11 06:37:41 qwerty12, would you happened to have checked to see if the fiasco-flasher can really flash the rootfs? Jul 11 06:38:40 I tried flashing a fiasco image using fiasco-flasher and all it does is extract the kernel and initfs and flash them. Jul 11 06:38:51 I didn't see any switches for rootfs flashing too :( Jul 11 06:38:54 Valid --flash-only options: Jul 11 06:38:54 nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs Jul 11 06:39:09 It might be an interesting thing to bundle onto the initfs. Jul 11 06:42:17 It sounds like it would be. Hmm, if my ssh worked, I'd be tempted to chroot to an diablo install on the mmc to see if it worked. Jul 11 06:46:16 Erm, isn't mce closed source? Jul 11 06:46:26 Should be. Jul 11 06:46:31 http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/chinook/free/source/m/ Jul 11 06:46:37 I'm saving that one for keeps. Jul 11 06:46:44 Looks like the real shit to me too. Jul 11 06:47:31 What's the license? Jul 11 06:48:01 Can't find a LICENSE file anywhere :/ Jul 11 06:48:29 Well, it's definitely OLD Jul 11 06:48:53 "Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, unless you have permission from Nokia Corporation." Jul 11 06:49:02 True, but if's the only source publicly available. Jul 11 06:49:19 Heh :/ Jul 11 06:49:46 qwerty12: it's in bora/ too Jul 11 06:50:34 Hmm, why have the source to an old one available but not the latest :( Jul 11 06:52:55 anyway, should save me from resorting to dbus-monitor when I want to make a dbus-send command to save me time. Jul 11 06:53:06 for mce anywayz Jul 11 06:56:09 Hmm, access to CAL is through MCE right? Jul 11 06:56:18 *DSME Jul 11 06:58:54 danke all, good night. Jul 11 07:00:14 qwerty12: i believe so... dsme Jul 11 07:00:32 Thanks trickie. Jul 11 07:00:42 * qwerty12 goes on the search for more nokia projects at garage Jul 11 07:00:55 It's where the source for things like dsme is kept etc anyway. Jul 11 07:03:21 hello, i installed the scratchbox, and run it correctly. But there is no selections in Utilities->... also like the Extras... Jul 11 07:03:39 source for dsme? i thought the only copy *in the wild* was the one lardman accidently found Jul 11 07:04:30 hmm, osso-browser-ui-l10n sources are not available Jul 11 07:04:35 How can I add selection like those in N810? like Utilities->Xterm ? Jul 11 07:04:48 Anybody knows what this license would mean: "Licensed under same terms as the software component the l10n strings have been derived from" ? Jul 11 07:05:35 when did they open up mce? Jul 11 07:05:36 alsor: you mean .desktop files? Jul 11 07:05:56 zap: is this in a po file or something ? Jul 11 07:06:00 yes Jul 11 07:06:11 this package contains the translations for osso-xterm Jul 11 07:06:14 which is GPL per se Jul 11 07:06:17 sounds like the trnaslation file has the same licence that the software it is used for Jul 11 07:06:21 zap: that the l10n file sort of goes with the main Jul 11 07:06:26 XTLi, oh, I didn't modify the .Desktop yet. Jul 11 07:06:41 ^ Jul 11 07:06:43 XTLi: does this mean that osso-browser-ui-l10n is GPL as well? Jul 11 07:07:21 alsor: I mean that they come from such files.. You can read some packaging policy about the Jul 11 07:07:39 if i understand correclty the trnaslated file in osso-browser-ui-l10n are under the same licence as osso-browser-ui Jul 11 07:07:53 zap: that's how I understand that IANAL Jul 11 07:08:19 melmoth: but what has osso-xterm to do with osso-browser-ui? :) Jul 11 07:08:45 i don't know, but this is the package you mentionned :) Jul 11 07:08:53 XTLi, thanks, I will look into the files Jul 11 07:08:54 ok I see your point ) Jul 11 07:09:18 but anyway it's a very strange approach Jul 11 07:09:29 osso-xterm is GPL while translations are proprietary Jul 11 07:11:14 Actually I think it more specifically follows the license of the strings that were translated Jul 11 07:11:28 Whereever they came from :) Jul 11 07:12:20 by the way, there's no osso-browser or osso-browser-ui package at all Jul 11 07:13:04 okay so if strings came from osso-xterm, those strings are GPL? and the strings that came from a proprietary app, are proprietary? Jul 11 07:13:11 what a hot mix of licenses in one package :) Jul 11 07:14:28 They could have come from a subcontractor, never released and classified :) Jul 11 07:15:24 the header says it's maintained by a Nokia employee Jul 11 07:15:41 * zap wonders what will happen if he'll msgunfmt the .po files Jul 11 07:15:59 You could have such fun with these licenses and micropayments Jul 11 07:19:43 osso-browser-ui became tablet-browser-ui Jul 11 07:26:06 ah, that's it Jul 11 07:29:06 lcuk_zzz / lardman|gone / X-Fade / qwerty12 / timely : ANY of you there? :P Jul 11 07:29:18 seems like NO ONE is on right now Jul 11 07:29:24 hmm, i may have cracked the debian wireless power consumption Jul 11 07:30:58 X-Fade: hey :P Jul 11 07:32:33 Hrm, so i need people's opinions Jul 11 07:33:31 Hi, guys after Ichanged /etc/fonts/font.conf. my n810 will always restart and can not startup. What can i do? Jul 11 07:34:00 reflash? Jul 11 07:35:08 If advanced-backlight *replaced* (actually physically removed and took the place of) the original brightness control panel applet, what amount of evil would that most closely resemble: picking a flower for your loved one, picking a flower for no reason, or picking a flower for Hitler? >_> Jul 11 07:35:58 glass:is there other way except reflash? Jul 11 07:36:01 rm_you: isn't there a sane way to dpkg --remove that applet? Jul 11 07:36:46 Stskeeps: yeah, if we marked advanced-backlight as "replaces" on that package, would that be nice and happy? Jul 11 07:36:46 ameng: well if you had some way to access the filesystem without that.. Jul 11 07:37:06 rm_you: the most evil : picking a flower for no reason Jul 11 07:37:11 lol Jul 11 07:37:17 rm_you: i would be happy, :P Jul 11 07:37:44 it seems reasonable to 'replace' or 'conflict' though Jul 11 07:37:57 ok Jul 11 07:38:03 so, that would be ok? Jul 11 07:38:05 Writing a zoning law requiring all flowers be replaced with rhododendrons Jul 11 07:38:43 Actuallly I probably approve of it. Jul 11 07:38:51 those are particularly obnoxious to spell >_> Jul 11 07:39:10 Adv bl, not rhododendrons Jul 11 07:39:20 lol Jul 11 07:39:24 :P Jul 11 07:40:28 http://rafb.net/p/Ldd68E59.html <- am i right in assuming noticing the use of IW_POWER_MULTICAST_R in wlancond would make it possible to do maemo-like power saving for wifi in debian, using "just" wireless-tools? Jul 11 07:56:40 glass:if i reflash the N810, will it change the data in /media/mmc2 Jul 11 07:57:10 joyious: dunno, might not, probably not Jul 11 07:59:01 joyious: it should not. Jul 11 07:59:05 it never did change the content of my memory card here Jul 11 07:59:13 thanks guys Jul 11 08:00:14 I'll try that, but reflash the whole system only for a config file is not that good idea Jul 11 08:01:19 Don't break important config files then. :) Jul 11 08:01:41 Either that, or get yourself some sort of recovery method so you don't have to reflash when you do. Jul 11 08:03:06 Don't the backups usually go there? Jul 11 08:03:26 Would be fun if a reflash blew the backups away Jul 11 08:04:03 how to make a backup? Jul 11 08:04:40 make it as a image and reflash with it other than the original one ? Jul 11 08:04:48 XTLi, flashing doesn't touch the cards. Jul 11 08:05:14 Yes, that's what I mean Jul 11 08:07:23 GeneralAntilles: any other way for recovery ? if the whole system can not start up Jul 11 08:08:09 Install fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery or keep a second bootable partition on one of the cards. Jul 11 08:11:35 can we access the filesystem with this "fanoush's initfs with usbnet recovery" from PC then? Jul 11 08:12:32 yes, but... Jul 11 08:12:46 unfortunately you need to have the tablet booted up to flash it, i believe? Jul 11 08:12:59 or can you do it with flasher-3.0? Jul 11 08:13:58 i check the start up progress , it's almost 100%, the config i changed is just a fontconfig for init Jul 11 08:14:11 rm_you, sure, you just need the jffs2 image. Jul 11 08:15:28 GeneralAntilles, you mean i can just reflash the jffs2 image with flasher-3.0 Jul 11 08:15:31 i hafta watch TV now <_< Jul 11 08:15:41 bbl Jul 11 08:18:27 greetings Jul 11 08:20:30 Greetings all! Jul 11 08:22:28 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/cfdisk.deb <- if anyone wants a cfdisk package Jul 11 08:22:46 (requires libncurses and libslang2) Jul 11 08:22:49 What is cfdisk? Jul 11 08:23:00 it's a partitioner that doesn't suck like sfdisk Jul 11 08:23:01 :P Jul 11 08:23:08 (libncurses5, sorry) Jul 11 08:23:27 Well, all I know how to do is suck, so that's probably not for me. :) Jul 11 08:24:41 From the MS-DOS school of UI design :) Jul 11 08:25:09 Hey, I'm looking for the resident genius that can find me a 7x13 font in .ttf format. Jul 11 08:25:15 Any takers? Jul 11 08:25:29 Stskeeps, think you could package that up for Extras? Jul 11 08:25:48 I promise to write a song about you if you can find such a font. Jul 11 08:26:05 GAN800: possibly.. it's a bit of a hacky package though - util-linux package from armel stripped down and dependancies changed to match maemo libs Jul 11 08:26:18 it works 100% though Jul 11 08:26:59 doesn't extras require building from source? Jul 11 08:27:13 It does. Jul 11 08:27:42 cos that might be difficult since someone in here stated util-linux broke when trying to compile it under sb or something Jul 11 08:28:08 You modified the binary .deb? Jul 11 08:28:37 Okay, pop quiz. How can I possibly find a 7x13 font in .ttf format? Jul 11 08:28:38 XTLi: extracted it using dpkg-deb -e & -x, stripped it down and added better Depends: and modified it so it works with maemo :P Jul 11 08:28:40 Anyone? Jul 11 08:29:12 Addison: converter and some X font? Jul 11 08:29:28 in any case i'm going to use it for nit-debian so we can add a partitioner step and a mkfs step :P Jul 11 08:30:11 Hey XTLi, I have no idea what you just said. It was almost like reading Sputnik. I'm a complete newbie, anychance you could point me in a certain direction Jul 11 08:30:16 ? Jul 11 08:30:24 -misc-fixed <3 Jul 11 08:31:00 Addison: honestly, I don't really know what you want either :) Jul 11 08:31:31 I'm just looking for a 7x13 font. I couldn't care less on how it looks, the size is all that matters. Jul 11 08:31:39 Does that make any sense? Jul 11 08:32:27 This font is for Xterminal only if that helps anyone. Jul 11 08:34:08 Well, I'm growing tired of how stupid I am, I think I need to pass out right about now. Jul 11 08:34:14 Have a good night everyone! Jul 11 08:34:18 See ya! Jul 11 08:34:19 http://www.ank.com.ar/fonts/ Jul 11 08:35:25 heh, he missed it Jul 11 08:36:14 So no song? :( Jul 11 09:11:02 hi guys~I want to know how to stream to linux pc from the N800's webcam ~thanks~ Jul 11 09:14:20 jackg, i think there was an incomplete app called peakaboo that was based on vlc that did that. dont know if it was completeed Jul 11 09:16:10 you mean i have to install the vlc on the n800? Jul 11 09:16:21 There is some gstreamer tutorial at IBM Jul 11 09:16:28 IIRC Jul 11 09:16:49 Searching for maemo and camera I hit that once Jul 11 09:17:08 is this to spy on the girls locker room? Jul 11 09:17:09 :) Jul 11 09:17:18 in Jul 11 09:17:39 I wasnted a commandline or otherwise nongui camera app that doesnt slug along updating the screen Jul 11 09:18:09 I know ~but gst-launch 's plug-ins is different from the pc~so it is different to match this plug-ins Jul 11 09:18:16 And on 810 require acrobatics in pointing the cam away from yourself Jul 11 09:18:38 jackg: excuse me, but are you trying to make your messages harder to read on purpose? Jul 11 09:19:04 there is no need at all to write strange characters when ircing Jul 11 09:19:05 no~my english is poor~sorry Jul 11 09:19:34 theres nothing wrong with your english but the tildes (~) :) Jul 11 09:19:40 Just say jaja and it'll be okay Jul 11 09:19:44 macoute: no, he's writing from Japan, probably, so instead of writing dots his keyboard uses ~ as sentence separator :- Jul 11 09:19:45 :-D Jul 11 09:20:01 gomiam: ok :) Jul 11 09:20:14 so he is not trying to make his messages harder to read on purpose ;) Jul 11 09:20:21 i mean gstream 's gst-launch has many version ~ So it is diffcult to match these between them Jul 11 09:20:48 macoute: well, what can I say, I tend to believe people don't try to bother each other on purpose (in the beginning, at least) Jul 11 09:21:46 jackg, here is what I was talking about, http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 11 09:21:53 but I could not get it to work Jul 11 09:21:55 it is different between pc and n800 about the gst-launch Jul 11 09:22:14 thanks again Jul 11 09:23:55 macoute: actually, my traceroute to jackg points to his possibly being in China. Jul 11 09:24:14 you guys are talking like he isnt here, just ask him Jul 11 09:24:35 tank-man: but that's not so much fun as tracerouting and WHOISing ;-) Jul 11 09:24:36 Where's the fun in that? Jul 11 09:24:47 I come from china~welcome Jul 11 09:25:07 :-D Jul 11 09:25:20 \o/ Jul 11 09:25:32 jackg: exactly from the Beijing province (or at least you are connected to the Beijing Province network) Jul 11 09:25:45 O:-) Jul 11 09:26:02 yes i am a student from beijing Jul 11 09:26:42 I find it interesting there are Maemo users out there. jackg, are you somehow related to that new project that tries to bring Chinese-Japanese ideogram recognition to the Maemo platform? Jul 11 09:30:17 I am researching the Product and develop the new function~it is interesting that i mean it is the platform that we study each other~ Jul 11 09:30:18 so the knowledge is no Borders Jul 11 09:57:10 Aloha! Jul 11 10:03:24 * Jaffa is sat in a company wide presentation on someone doing Business Process Opttimisation at a client. Very yawnsome. Jul 11 10:06:16 Jaffa: -> n8x0 surfing! Jul 11 10:10:10 yup Â:) Jul 11 10:10:29 and doodles/hangman with colleagues Jul 11 10:10:37 :) Jul 11 10:10:40 oh, and buzzword bingo Jul 11 10:10:46 of course ;) Jul 11 10:11:12 Worst so far, "solutionising" Jul 11 10:11:14 morning Jul 11 10:11:24 lo hrw|guadec Jul 11 10:11:41 guadec good? Jul 11 10:11:55 Jaffa: hah Jul 11 10:12:16 Jaffa: yes Jul 11 10:12:23 but a bit too much parties ;) Jul 11 10:12:46 hrw|guadec: heh Jul 11 10:13:53 jaffa, i bet you aren't brave enough to jump up and shout "House!" Jul 11 10:14:18 and I hope you are doodling in liqbase ;) Jul 11 10:14:24 lcuk_work: you'd be correct: I want a promotion in November ;-) Jul 11 10:14:50 then Mr Jaffa what are you doing chatting instead of listening Jul 11 10:14:57 * Jaffa admits to not having had time to try it yet Jul 11 10:15:03 tsktsk Jul 11 10:15:09 lcuk_work: making notes ;-) Jul 11 10:17:49 jaffa, hack into the projector and put a subliminal message on it "Jaffa deserves the promotion" "Equal opportunities for oranges" Jul 11 10:18:01 :) Jul 11 10:18:03 ~lart cars with no spare wheel Jul 11 10:18:03 * infobot DoSes cars with no spare wheel Jul 11 10:18:15 :S lardman thats not good Jul 11 10:18:28 intentionally no spare, or not replaced Jul 11 10:18:34 lardman: problems? Jul 11 10:18:49 intentional, no space for the spare due to exhaust, etc. Jul 11 10:19:06 Smart Jul 11 10:19:07 :S lardman that sucks Jul 11 10:19:08 * Jaffa 's Touran has no spare but has a puncture repair kit :-/ Jul 11 10:19:11 Jaffa: couldn't get into the house last night and had a puncture Jul 11 10:19:32 lardman: ouch Jul 11 10:19:43 we had some scally steal the back wheel from our peugeot - caught him in progess and he left his proper peugeot jack and spanner set - he got away with the wheel though Jul 11 10:19:55 * lardman is loath to spray the foam in just to drive to a garage, will wait for gf to give me a lift this arvo Jul 11 10:20:05 lardman - ohhhh it wasnt your door that was punctured - i did wonder Jul 11 10:20:16 lcuk_work: I thought you were joking :P Jul 11 10:20:25 :P... Jul 11 10:21:02 what car is it? Jul 11 10:21:35 My car has a jack, but the normal bolts & locking wheel nut are different sizes and it doesn't have an adaptor, silly design Jul 11 10:21:43 Clio 182 Jul 11 10:21:55 Renault Jul 11 10:22:21 i thought it was required to have an emergency wheel, obviously not Jul 11 10:22:30 it has foam Jul 11 10:23:19 its a bit useless if the tire rips Jul 11 10:24:01 :D last time i had a puncture i had to get AA out. i snapped my wheelwrench Jul 11 10:24:09 * lcuk_work doesnt know his own strength Jul 11 10:24:12 lol Jul 11 10:24:43 some people would put it down to metal fatigue, but i know its cos ive got the REAL ULTIMATE POWER Jul 11 10:25:00 lol x2 Jul 11 10:25:16 ! Jul 11 10:26:04 Those sheetmetal wrenches are ridiculous Jul 11 10:26:17 lardman, on topic, i think ill have a package by the end of this weekend and i can get back onto serious coding Jul 11 10:27:43 heh im not the only one http://107codf.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-wrench-needed.html Jul 11 10:28:41 back later Jul 11 10:28:47 lcuk_work: cu later Jul 11 10:34:15 ok, more people here, yay Jul 11 10:34:22 so, need opinions Jul 11 10:35:59 we've been toying with the idea of completely replacing the original Display Control Panel applet. Assuming we replicate 100% of the original applet's functionality in the new one, and replace it properly (using 'conflict' or 'replace' in the dependencies of the new one), does that sound reasonable? Jul 11 10:36:44 Make it so. Jul 11 10:36:45 there was some concern voiced... *shakes fist at GeneralAntilles* ... that people might not like that Jul 11 10:37:09 so I'm trying to find out if doing something like that is reasonable :P Jul 11 10:38:39 opinion=as long as 1) i can switch back to the previous state, 2) am alerted installing something will result in an given applet being remove.., then i think it s ok. Jul 11 10:41:49 rm_you: why not keep the old package name, then just don't tell anybody it's a replacement, present it as a 'upgrade' Jul 11 10:42:02 * zap is all for progress Jul 11 10:42:17 rofl Jul 11 10:42:27 k Jul 11 10:43:24 rm_you: might need to be careful of osso-software-version and SSU Jul 11 10:43:32 yeah... Jul 11 10:43:51 will it require everybody to move to version-unlocked? :) Jul 11 10:44:17 possibly >_> i'm not sure quite how that works Jul 11 10:44:19 Provides: the right version? Jul 11 10:44:33 does it work? Jul 11 10:44:54 Well, possibly, you could also do a dirty hack and replace the existing applet in the postinst of your app. Jul 11 10:45:04 as far as I've seen Provides: may contain only package name, version is ignored imho Jul 11 10:45:13 then prerm could also have the 'put the original back to place ' functionality Jul 11 10:45:17 konttori: that was my original thought, but that was compared with kicking puppies and other vicious things Jul 11 10:45:18 might be Jul 11 10:45:43 GeneralAntilles basically just put his foot down against that one :P Jul 11 10:45:51 rm_you: yeah, but otoh, it's pretty nice way to make it easy for the end users Jul 11 10:45:52 but it would be so easy... so very, very easy... Jul 11 10:46:02 Touching package managed binaries outside their install shouls set off klaxons Jul 11 10:46:02 rm_you: I would do it that way myself Jul 11 10:46:10 yeah... Jul 11 10:46:12 THOUGH Jul 11 10:46:21 i can just edit the .desktop file for the applet Jul 11 10:46:25 don't have to touch the binary Jul 11 10:46:34 Bring in ED-209's Jul 11 10:46:50 bye Jul 11 10:47:11 I wonder if a .desktop is considered a conf file Jul 11 10:48:03 This calls for... Jul 11 10:48:16 update-alternatives! Jul 11 10:49:12 update-alternatives is for binary filez Jul 11 10:49:30 lol but, does maemo even use that? Jul 11 10:49:45 sorry guys, its been nice knowing you. my missus is gonna kill me later (and im gone again now) Jul 11 10:50:11 :( later lcuk Jul 11 10:50:18 or possibly not >_> Jul 11 10:50:25 :) Jul 11 10:52:10 update-alternatives isn't only for executables, but also used for manual pages Jul 11 10:55:03 hurray, my ssh key on garage finally got updated Jul 11 10:55:11 :P Jul 11 10:58:04 hmm, i cant recall that the "exit offline mode" dialog would ask twice at times and den give me the select network dialog Jul 11 10:58:18 rm_you, just read back your thing about replacing the original brightness applet. maybe a better compromise would be to automatically disable them as part of your installation Jul 11 10:59:02 if people install yours and dont like it and want original, if you replace the existing isnt there the chance they would be left with NO way to control these things Jul 11 11:00:01 lcuk_work: that's why i think i'll just change something in the .desktop Jul 11 11:00:28 worst case scenario, my uninstall script breaks, they have to go in and edit that one file and change one word... inconvenient, but not horrible Jul 11 11:01:14 by the way, ask jott or others about how to correctly do the sudoers thing - your postinst script just appends at the moment doesnt it without locking Jul 11 11:01:14 if you want to "temporarily" replace files in other packages, there's always dpkg-divert Jul 11 11:02:07 rm_you: maybe that will work though, but assume users dont have root nor access to be able to edit any system support files Jul 11 11:02:57 then i give them a deb to fix it? >_> Jul 11 11:03:43 so people may have to install something to uninstall something... neat Jul 11 11:03:52 :P Jul 11 11:04:10 lets see if tracy is watching Jul 11 11:04:17 lcuk_work hey darling Jul 11 11:05:00 something like canola-clear or how it was called Jul 11 11:05:16 I remember installed it because I couldn't understand it's description Jul 11 11:05:23 lol Jul 11 11:05:26 and voila.... canola gone out automagically :) Jul 11 11:05:34 it wouldnt be the first time, but dont things like that end up in the installed apps list? Jul 11 11:06:00 and if you uninstall the clear tool does it restore the stuff you aimed to remove Jul 11 11:06:12 no Jul 11 11:06:26 I'd kill people for such packages Jul 11 11:06:27 because the entirety of the work would have been done with like... sed, in a post-inst Jul 11 11:06:37 I'd expect a "clean up" package to conflict and replace with packages and question, and do the clean-up stuff in post-inst Jul 11 11:06:46 lcuk_work2, did you just talk to yourself in the hope the better part of ya was watching IRC and would answer ? Jul 11 11:07:00 cleanup packages must die, they will clutter the app manager Jul 11 11:07:03 s/replace with packages in/replace the packages in/ Jul 11 11:07:16 * wnd sighs Jul 11 11:07:24 excepted that a package that deletes another packages can't exist with autobuilder Jul 11 11:07:55 doesnt matter Jul 11 11:07:57 autobuilder can't handle building multiple mtas? Jul 11 11:07:59 * zap hopes nobody will port gcompris to diablo Jul 11 11:08:15 or, maybe it could, but it would be ironic, considering the removal package would require a dependency to the package it wants to remove Jul 11 11:08:28 not necessarily Jul 11 11:09:08 the fix would be a one liner sed command... it could run on the altered file or a perfectly fine file that doesnt need fixing, and it would only change the broken file Jul 11 11:09:33 \o/ Jul 11 11:09:40 so it wouldn't even need to care whether or not the package was installed previously Jul 11 11:09:42 or however i do an angry one Jul 11 11:10:02 rm_you: do control panel applets have a .desktop file? Jul 11 11:10:17 aren't they just .so files or something like that? Jul 11 11:10:18 lcuk_work2, .|.. -_- ..|. Jul 11 11:10:26 lcuk_work2, that's angry Jul 11 11:10:27 zap: yes they do Jul 11 11:10:33 crashanddie: she in on my home pc now, and i just asked her if she had seen. she said yer i thort it was a bit odd maybe a foreign gay geek lover or somethin Jul 11 11:11:00 lol Jul 11 11:11:07 isn't that me ? Jul 11 11:11:13 The foreign geek gay lover ? Jul 11 11:11:17 lol must be Jul 11 11:11:57 by the way, update-alternatives is used Jul 11 11:12:04 ah Jul 11 11:12:05 it feels strange to use web based irc again Jul 11 11:12:08 well, possible Jul 11 11:12:28 lcuk_work2, xchat on the NIT ? Jul 11 11:12:29 anyway, i must vanish got dinner to munch - cyas alter Jul 11 11:12:31 i guess i could use that to swap out the .desktop file? Jul 11 11:12:38 no Jul 11 11:12:40 rm_you: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/09/concise-guide-to-update-alternatives.html Jul 11 11:12:59 lcuk_work cya soon tracy :) (K) Jul 11 11:21:06 hello to all! Jul 11 11:21:14 http://slexy.org/view/s22ehsIAMC <-- that's just sad Jul 11 11:21:26 can any one help me to setup cdma dun? Jul 11 11:21:52 rm_you: it looks like for update-alternative to work, both packages must be prepared ahead of time Jul 11 11:22:07 my short discrition is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201305#post201305 Jul 11 11:23:32 rm_you: the approach with patching the .desktop file has the downside that when you'll upgrade diablo, it will upgrade the .desktop file too Jul 11 11:25:32 chances of them releasing a new version of the package that includes that control panel applet? ridiculously low. almost zero. even if they do, you just reinstall my package... Jul 11 11:26:05 Diablo is promised to be the first ITOS version which will upgrade flawlessly via apt-get upgrade Jul 11 11:26:43 so that'll inevitably happen on next OS upgrade Jul 11 11:26:55 maybe >_> Jul 11 11:27:17 anyway, i'll have a new package out by the for them to seamlessly upgrade to :) Jul 11 11:27:22 lcuk_work: liqbase is cool :) Jul 11 11:27:25 installed the zip Jul 11 11:27:36 is it correct the game doesn't work yet? Jul 11 11:28:04 rm_you: what if you "get hit by a bus"? :-) Jul 11 11:28:22 then jott will do it Jul 11 11:28:36 what if he gets hired by m$? Jul 11 11:28:48 then REINSTALL THE PACKAGE :P Jul 11 11:29:05 or rather, uninstall before upgrade Jul 11 11:30:29 lcuk_work: or the Physics Sym Jul 11 11:32:52 no need to uninstall Jul 11 11:33:04 reinstalling would re-run the sed script and fix the .desktop file Jul 11 11:33:09 sad, I see no clean way to do it. If you "alternativise" osso-applet-display during install of your package, you hit the same problem when osso-applet-display upgrades Jul 11 11:34:30 sorry for disturb will try later Jul 11 11:36:58 hm, advanced-backlight still crashes the environment on reload Jul 11 11:37:10 clean-est would prolly be something like this for the install: sed -i cpdisplay.desktop 's/cpdisplay.so/advanced-display.so/' Jul 11 11:37:39 btw, where does the maemo menu store its info? Jul 11 11:37:42 aquatix: if you don't unload it before you install the new version, yes Jul 11 11:37:47 that will happen with almost any applet Jul 11 11:37:57 you're technically advised to reboot :) Jul 11 11:37:59 i want to get rid of the rapsody entry that somehow sticks around Jul 11 11:38:02 rm_you: ah, k Jul 11 11:38:09 feh, reboots ;) Jul 11 11:38:23 :P Jul 11 11:38:35 aquatix, the game is my ongoing test lab, the "pysics sim" requires sketches to do things with. the zip contains a folder (_apg) which if you follow the instructions will put a couple of example sketches in there. every time you go into "do some drawing" and draw something its saved when you Escape out Jul 11 11:38:37 aquatix: like the new version? :P Jul 11 11:38:50 physics ^ Jul 11 11:39:04 lcuk_work: oh duh, i just created an empty _apg Jul 11 11:39:08 the physics shows the first 90 sketches and lets you play and resize them Jul 11 11:39:10 * aquatix facepalms Jul 11 11:39:11 one step forward, two steps backwards Jul 11 11:39:50 rm_you: ah, looks nice Jul 11 11:39:53 i shouldnt have called it "game" really - "thar be dragons" Jul 11 11:40:01 really tiny font for the Brightness and Volume labels though Jul 11 11:40:08 lcuk_work: ghehe Jul 11 11:40:22 aquatix: lol yeah Jul 11 11:40:28 but you know what they are :P Jul 11 11:40:35 if you do infact copy the sketches from the example thing then game shows a little bit more Jul 11 11:40:47 before they didn't say anything at all, and people understood :P Jul 11 11:41:03 * lcuk_work should really expand on the proper insoftware documentaiton Jul 11 11:41:11 does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ? Jul 11 11:41:16 oh, there's a known bug with the current version, wherein if you jump directly to maximum backlight, it will not update Jul 11 11:41:30 so just don't :P Jul 11 11:41:36 jump to one less than max :)( Jul 11 11:41:46 lcuk_work, one line of code, 3 lines of doc Jul 11 11:41:48 lcuk_work: ah, now it makes more sense Jul 11 11:41:52 copied the _apg files Jul 11 11:41:55 :D Jul 11 11:41:58 rm_you, could you PLEASEEE add a "MOAR Brightness" button so you can press it and use n810 as a torch at night? Jul 11 11:41:58 You could also make a package to kill all those closed demo installers Jul 11 11:42:12 Sounds like it would be well-liked Jul 11 11:43:10 * lcuk_work is redesigning the whole sketching ui Jul 11 11:43:24 thats basically what "game" is the test for Jul 11 11:43:54 heh, torch :P Jul 11 11:44:11 Flame on! Jul 11 11:44:12 torch is british for flashlight :) wheee Jul 11 11:44:20 wow that is too amusing Jul 11 11:44:21 13:41:36 birds entering main loop Jul 11 11:44:21 13:42:36 Unknown event 33, let me know what happened at liquid@gmail.com Jul 11 11:44:22 i should sleep Jul 11 11:44:23 hm Jul 11 11:44:35 lol i did wonder about those birds Jul 11 11:45:01 lol heh, you eatiher pressed your home button or you let the screen saver/dim thing come on Jul 11 11:45:14 ah, dim Jul 11 11:45:20 that'd be it Jul 11 11:45:24 i run away screaming like a mad thing at the first sign of something i dont know how to handle Jul 11 11:45:43 i would rather do that than have it running and you not be able to do anything Jul 11 11:45:45 :) Jul 11 11:46:37 * lcuk_work is actually thinking that putting email address there wasnt the brightest idea ;) but at least i know people are using it Jul 11 11:48:09 Should have put in @mailinator.com address and subscribed the feed Jul 11 11:48:56 XTLi, nahhhh Jul 11 11:49:02 time to fix my tyre :( Jul 11 11:49:13 lcuk_work, I told you that some time ago already :P Jul 11 11:49:17 are you taking the wheel to garage lardman|gone Jul 11 11:49:20 lcuk_work, you're just warming up old jokes :P Jul 11 11:49:29 crashanddie, i know that and thats the same answer i gave then Jul 11 11:49:47 does anyone know who packaged gstreamer for maemo ? Jul 11 11:49:49 * lcuk_work puts them on the griddle Jul 11 11:50:55 crashanddie, you? Jul 11 11:51:18 well Jul 11 11:51:22 only with dependency hell :P Jul 11 11:51:44 as a visual basic developer i feel your pain :) Jul 11 11:52:26 im goin, back alter Jul 11 11:52:51 AH Jul 11 11:52:53 HURRAY Jul 11 11:53:03 well Jul 11 11:53:06 yet another step forward Jul 11 11:53:11 be prepared to fly back again :-° Jul 11 11:58:45 morning Jul 11 12:00:37 * rm_you sleeps Jul 11 12:01:40 has anyone seen problems where apt seems to hang (running ldconfig) when installing g stuff in the armel sdk? Jul 11 12:02:16 (ldconfig using 100% cpu) Jul 11 12:02:54 rm_you: nn Jul 11 12:04:03 hmm .. the dot above the wireless icon ( applet? ) signifies what exactly? Jul 11 12:04:19 hola Jul 11 12:04:24 ad hoc? Jul 11 12:04:37 its in the manual afaicr Jul 11 12:04:57 didnt see ... time to rtfm Jul 11 12:05:03 w00t w00t Jul 11 12:05:11 and 3 steps back Jul 11 12:05:12 :D Jul 11 12:07:03 crashanddie: ? Jul 11 12:16:25 Jaffa, you around ? Jul 11 12:22:05 anyway Jul 11 12:22:08 time for coffee break Jul 11 12:28:42 ok the user guide does not have any mention of what the do above the icon mean ... any other docs I should be looking at? Jul 11 12:29:21 s/icon/wireless icon Jul 11 12:33:33 boolean: it means `ad-hoc wifi connection' Jul 11 12:33:44 not sure what you want to know about that? Jul 11 12:35:56 hmm ... Jul 11 12:36:21 thanks Jul 11 12:36:42 * boolean is missing something ... time to rtfm Jul 11 12:36:53 google ad-hoc wifi ;) Jul 11 12:38:10 heh that is what I am doing Jul 11 12:38:23 our city offers free public wireless but in ad-hoc mode Jul 11 12:38:40 boolean: it shouldnt matter basically Jul 11 12:38:57 if you have an ad hoc and not an infrastrcuture one Jul 11 12:39:16 well each time I try to connect to an ad-hoc network, there is no IP associated Jul 11 12:39:48 have you tried setting it manually? Jul 11 12:39:53 thus dont I have to pre-config the setup? Jul 11 12:40:08 that is what I thought .. Jul 11 12:40:24 though there should be an dhcpd somewhere in the network... Jul 11 12:40:35 boolean: you might want to check the docs of the network Jul 11 12:40:57 macoute: that is what I thought Jul 11 12:41:03 checking docs now Jul 11 12:41:35 but i very much wonder if theyd setup a free wlan-network without a dhcp-server Jul 11 12:46:51 ad-hoc seems odd though Jul 11 12:47:07 very Jul 11 12:47:35 well I am going through their website ... the public wifi requires login Jul 11 12:48:03 but most of the time it works so that first you get the ip, second you login :) Jul 11 12:48:13 its kinda hard to login without an ip address :o Jul 11 12:48:19 voodoo Jul 11 12:48:25 tcp-over-voodoo Jul 11 12:48:27 or maybe you need to register your devices mac? Jul 11 12:48:32 mac address Jul 11 12:48:39 anyone here who uses debian on n8x0 but can't use it full time cos of the bad wifi power? Jul 11 12:49:34 id say everyone who has an n8x0+debian has the same problem :) Jul 11 12:49:45 or whatever wlan-client :) Jul 11 12:49:59 i cant even use my laptop all the time because of the bad wifi signal Jul 11 12:50:09 Hello, you think that this GPS? https: / / buy.garmin.com / shop / shop.do? pid = 423 #, O is very expensive? What I want to use with N800, or GPS which I recommend? Jul 11 12:50:11 well i mean the fact the power saving doesn't work well :) Jul 11 12:50:31 lopz: your url is kinda fucked up Jul 11 12:50:33 lopz: why the spaces? how can we copy/paste the url now :) Jul 11 12:50:49 https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=423# Jul 11 12:50:52 haha ok, I sorry Jul 11 12:51:23 hm, i think it's rather expensive, but it looks nice Jul 11 12:51:58 yep, ~100 USD o_O Jul 11 12:53:30 And for the low price of $39.98, you can get a cable to connect it to your cigarette lighter plug. Jul 11 12:55:08 macoute: no mention of mac registration Jul 11 12:55:48 Gracana, haha Jul 11 12:56:09 what use GPS with their n8x0? Jul 11 12:59:23 i use it when hiking Jul 11 13:01:49 hiking ? Jul 11 13:02:39 walking in the forest Jul 11 13:11:12 Jaffa, I order to you to APPEAR ! Jul 11 13:13:28 http://web.archive.org/web/20050105015145/http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html chulhu nigerian spam baiting - a classic Jul 11 13:15:16 hey pupnik, where's this email about sb emu...? ;) Jul 11 13:16:18 * pupnik points to development box unplugged in corner of room Jul 11 13:16:39 poor box :( Jul 11 13:26:37 Hey Jul 11 13:26:45 I'm really new here Jul 11 13:26:52 But i really really need a hand Jul 11 13:27:01 * crashanddie gives Stupid a hand Jul 11 13:27:07 lol Jul 11 13:27:26 I have a nokia n810 and I just updated it using the windows updater Jul 11 13:27:39 but now i can't get a connection to my wlan Jul 11 13:28:59 Stupid, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ? Jul 11 13:29:00 if you used the backup tool before updating , you should be able to reset your wifi settings Jul 11 13:29:35 I have, but still all it'll say is no connection available Jul 11 13:29:53 i'm on the connection now with my laptop so i know it's working Jul 11 13:30:11 but the tablet won't pick it up Jul 11 13:30:25 it picked up my naibours once... Jul 11 13:30:28 Stupid, let me ask that again, does your router use "intelligent channel detection" ? Jul 11 13:30:40 um... Jul 11 13:30:56 if i knew what that was I'd let you know :D Jul 11 13:31:02 Stupid, I've had a few networks that didn't show up (just *didn't* show up) Jul 11 13:31:04 I'm really new to all tis Jul 11 13:31:04 crashanddie: fyi, I've been doing wifi for years and I've never heard of it before Jul 11 13:31:32 intelligent channel detection is when the router decides which channel to use (in order to get the best signal possible, without interference from other wifi networks) Jul 11 13:31:52 crashanddie: and I use it on every wifi ap that I own Jul 11 13:31:59 without a hitch from the nokia Jul 11 13:32:08 sorry but that still means very little to me... Jul 11 13:32:15 I'm a total novice Jul 11 13:32:17 usually listed as automatic channel selection Jul 11 13:32:25 took me half an hour to get in here! Jul 11 13:32:32 brontide, that's the one ! Jul 11 13:32:50 brontide, well, I've had 3 networks where it didn't work ;) Jul 11 13:32:58 Stupid: Your nokia worked under chinook but won't even see the network under diablo Jul 11 13:33:26 i thouhght my nokia wad diablo Jul 11 13:33:32 how do i make it see it? Jul 11 13:33:36 :X Jul 11 13:33:44 go back to chinook? Jul 11 13:33:48 lol Jul 11 13:33:56 like that's a solution :D Jul 11 13:34:15 the latest firmware, while better for most, is still amazingly buggy for some Jul 11 13:34:23 brontide, well, you've been doing wifi for years, I'll let you sort this one, k ? Jul 11 13:34:24 I'm out Jul 11 13:34:40 :'( Jul 11 13:34:48 it may be me, but diablo feels slightly less snappy; anyone else feel the same? Jul 11 13:34:56 Stupid: stupid question... is this a "hidden" network? Jul 11 13:35:19 i don't think so, no Jul 11 13:35:29 it's never been hidden before Jul 11 13:35:41 Stupid: btw, you can see the version of the OS by going to the Control panel and choose About product Jul 11 13:36:09 I would at least try adding the network by NOT searching, but manually plugging in the network name and security code. Jul 11 13:36:24 aquatix: other people have said diablo feels more snappy Jul 11 13:36:25 I'll bet $50 that won't work Jul 11 13:36:27 done that! Jul 11 13:36:28 I think it's all in the mind Jul 11 13:36:31 capitalization counts, so be careful. Jul 11 13:36:34 didn't work.... Jul 11 13:36:36 yeppy Jul 11 13:36:40 except for panning in the browser, where diablo *is* faster Jul 11 13:36:42 got it in capitals Jul 11 13:36:53 mgedmin, yeah, placebo I think for most Jul 11 13:37:05 well then file a bug report at bugs.maemo.org and flash back to chinook where it worked Jul 11 13:37:11 4.2008.23-14 is the version i'm running Jul 11 13:37:18 mgedmin: hm, i thought the browser felt a bit less snappy, but maybe i'm warped and drinking too much coffee ;) Jul 11 13:37:26 browser start time has been cut down 30% or more Jul 11 13:37:27 Stupid: that's diablo Jul 11 13:37:38 yay! is that good?? Jul 11 13:37:48 not for you I guess Jul 11 13:37:50 guess so :) Jul 11 13:38:44 i didn't get a choice of what to update to Jul 11 13:38:55 did i do it wrong? Jul 11 13:39:04 Download chinook Jul 11 13:39:13 and flash with that firmware Jul 11 13:39:13 how? Jul 11 13:39:22 :S Jul 11 13:40:20 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and pick the one before the one you have Jul 11 13:41:07 why doesn't it work with diablo?? Jul 11 13:41:42 Stupid: have you rebooted? Jul 11 13:41:49 yes Jul 11 13:41:59 and i took the battery out too for good measrue :D Jul 11 13:42:01 Stupid: what does lsmod show? Are the wifi modules inserted? Jul 11 13:42:11 ok you lost me... Jul 11 13:42:30 open the xterm Jul 11 13:42:40 ok Jul 11 13:42:50 "start menu" > utilities > X Terminal Jul 11 13:43:07 yeppy^^ got that Jul 11 13:43:17 hmm, does sudo gainroot work without R&D mode? Jul 11 13:43:52 >.< Jul 11 13:43:56 well you can't use lsmod (list modules) as you're not root Jul 11 13:44:11 not? Jul 11 13:44:12 he can't install becomeroot without network access Jul 11 13:44:12 you could take a look at the dmesg output and see if you can spot any errors Jul 11 13:44:25 yeah, catch 22 Jul 11 13:44:39 he?? Jul 11 13:44:42 /sbin/lsmod Jul 11 13:44:42 ..... Jul 11 13:44:46 sorry, presumption Jul 11 13:44:56 i'm a female :P Jul 11 13:45:12 type "/sbin/lsmod" in the terminal Jul 11 13:45:19 without the quotes Jul 11 13:45:21 ok^^ Jul 11 13:45:53 hmm, modules are probably compiled in anyway :) Jul 11 13:46:11 i have no idea what any of this means... Jul 11 13:46:17 want me to type it? Jul 11 13:46:39 yeah, go for it, see if you see something called "cx3110x" come up Jul 11 13:46:50 yeah it has Jul 11 13:46:59 ok, so the driver is there Jul 11 13:47:29 that line reads: cx3110x 56200 0 - live Oxbf041000 Jul 11 13:47:47 ok, so it rules out a driver issue Jul 11 13:47:59 not much help for you though I'm afraid Jul 11 13:48:07 :( Jul 11 13:48:16 brontide: any thoughts? Jul 11 13:48:28 brontide: dmesg output? Jul 11 13:48:29 flash back to a working chinook Jul 11 13:48:35 hmm Jul 11 13:48:39 that's just giving up though Jul 11 13:48:47 exactly :D Jul 11 13:49:03 well fair enough Jul 11 13:49:37 Stupid: do other networks show up? or nothing at all? Jul 11 13:49:49 my naibours put up once or twice Jul 11 13:49:54 but now it's gone again Jul 11 13:50:09 tried rebooting your accesspoint? ;) Jul 11 13:50:25 um... no... Jul 11 13:50:31 not sure how >.< Jul 11 13:50:40 except that she's using it atm with her laptop Jul 11 13:50:41 unplug it, wait for 10 secs, plug Jul 11 13:50:48 erm, hm :) Jul 11 13:50:51 missed that part Jul 11 13:50:53 then i'll loose this conection Jul 11 13:50:55 :) Jul 11 13:50:57 yeah Jul 11 13:51:00 nm then Jul 11 13:51:05 hehehe Jul 11 13:51:16 if the laptop can see the connection then the N8x0 ought to be able to too Jul 11 13:51:20 * aquatix has seen accesspoints suddenly not having their wifi up anymore Jul 11 13:51:24 indeed Jul 11 13:52:14 but it's wifiing with my laptop :S Jul 11 13:52:39 oh! Jul 11 13:52:50 your laptop is also broadcasting the essid? Jul 11 13:52:54 winxp i guess? Jul 11 13:53:00 essid?? Jul 11 13:53:05 name of the network Jul 11 13:53:08 yeah xp^^ Jul 11 13:53:12 oh yeah^^ Jul 11 13:53:18 hm Jul 11 13:53:27 that might interfere Jul 11 13:53:29 sec... Jul 11 13:53:45 it never has before Jul 11 13:54:48 example_camera.c is ssoooooo slloooooow Jul 11 13:55:01 well, if i recall correctly, winxp sp3 or something rebroadcasts the name of your wifi network Jul 11 13:55:15 looking for a way to turn it off now Jul 11 13:55:22 on google as i don't have windows :) Jul 11 13:55:31 :S Jul 11 13:55:39 how come it's never been a problem before? Jul 11 13:55:42 but if it were rebroadcast, at least something would appear in the connection dialog Jul 11 13:55:47 *shrug* Jul 11 13:55:49 :D Jul 11 13:55:53 erm, true Jul 11 13:56:15 what's the command line tool to do a scan? Jul 11 13:56:18 meh, doing wild guesses now; but as it's setting up an ad-hoc with her laptop now... Jul 11 13:56:20 iwscan? Jul 11 13:56:23 iwlist scan Jul 11 13:56:27 ah Jul 11 13:56:33 need wireless-tools though Jul 11 13:56:46 yeah, not installed Jul 11 13:58:12 It would be interesting, but nigh on impossible to see the output of dmesg just after you've tried to scan for connections Jul 11 13:58:24 that's better^^ Jul 11 13:58:47 Stupid_little_ge: do you have a memory card? Jul 11 13:58:52 yeppy Jul 11 13:59:04 and a memory card reader in the laptop? Jul 11 13:59:18 yeppy^^ Jul 11 13:59:33 Is this an N810 or an N800? Jul 11 13:59:44 n810 Jul 11 14:00:01 This may not help btw, if you can't be bothered then I won't be offended Jul 11 14:00:11 So, everyone else, dmesg output of some use? Jul 11 14:00:16 i'll do anything that won't make the problem worse :P Jul 11 14:00:27 ah you won't break it, don't worry Jul 11 14:00:44 that's what the guy said who told me to update it...... Jul 11 14:00:48 :)) Jul 11 14:00:56 well not any more broken then ;) Jul 11 14:01:03 hahaha Jul 11 14:01:35 Anyway, my suggestion is to output dmesg (which is a sort of log) to a text file on the memory card, stick that card in your laptop and paste the contents into pastebin.com Jul 11 14:01:51 any nays from the rest of you? Jul 11 14:01:54 ok.... tell me how :D Jul 11 14:02:05 in the terminal, type "mount" Jul 11 14:02:22 actually you don;'t need to, it's an N810 Jul 11 14:02:47 type "cd /media/mmc1" Jul 11 14:02:58 (change directory to the memory card) Jul 11 14:03:21 not found Jul 11 14:03:36 hmm Jul 11 14:03:41 is the memory card in the N810? Jul 11 14:03:49 yeah Jul 11 14:03:52 ;) Jul 11 14:04:03 you didn't type the quotes did you? Jul 11 14:04:07 no Jul 11 14:04:20 might be new to this but not that new ;) Jul 11 14:04:55 did it say "-sh: cd: not found"? Jul 11 14:05:29 no it said -sh: cd/media/mmc1: not found Jul 11 14:05:32 hmm... I'm assuming we have a borkend n810? Jul 11 14:05:41 Stupid_genius: mind the space Jul 11 14:05:43 oh space between cd /media Jul 11 14:05:44 ah, put a space between the cd and the / Jul 11 14:05:44 *sniff Jul 11 14:06:05 no no space that was a typo Jul 11 14:06:15 ah :) Jul 11 14:06:41 so it said "-sh: cd /media/mmc1: not found" ?? Jul 11 14:06:56 oh wait Jul 11 14:06:59 got it^^ Jul 11 14:07:14 stupid keyboard doubled the letters Jul 11 14:07:58 now it says: /media/mmc1 $ Jul 11 14:08:03 cool Jul 11 14:08:10 Jaffa, ? Jaffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Jul 11 14:08:13 now try the connection dialog Jul 11 14:08:35 explian how Jul 11 14:08:38 please :D Jul 11 14:09:01 lardman: connection dialog? Jul 11 14:09:01 Stupid_genius: on the top right of the screen, there's a bar with some icons - battery, brightness, sound and a connection one Jul 11 14:09:08 oh Jul 11 14:09:15 summatusmentis: for want of a better word Jul 11 14:09:25 right, how is that connected to dmesg though? Jul 11 14:09:34 everything is connected to dmesg Jul 11 14:09:44 summatusmentis: I'd like to see the dmesg output after it's tried to scan Jul 11 14:09:53 I see Jul 11 14:09:54 connectivity settings?? Jul 11 14:09:58 crashanddie: touche Jul 11 14:10:02 I'm not sure if the machine has been rebooted or not Jul 11 14:10:13 otoh, it may not show anything Jul 11 14:10:41 Stupid_genius, still not seeing the network ? Jul 11 14:10:55 nope Jul 11 14:10:58 :( Jul 11 14:11:08 Did you change the channel on your router ? Jul 11 14:11:17 nope Jul 11 14:11:26 haven't touched the rooter Jul 11 14:11:37 * crashanddie sits back and wait until he sees "oh, I guess crashanddie was right all along then" Jul 11 14:11:41 Stupid_genius: on the top right, next to the battery icon, there;s one that looks like an open fan, tap on that, a drop down will appear, click "connect" Jul 11 14:11:56 crashanddie: reflash Chinook? ;) Jul 11 14:12:01 no Jul 11 14:12:18 disable automatic channel selection in the router Jul 11 14:12:27 sellect connection or connectivity settings?? Jul 11 14:12:35 select connection Jul 11 14:12:56 no connections available Jul 11 14:12:59 :( Jul 11 14:13:02 ok fine Jul 11 14:13:08 now go back to the terminal Jul 11 14:13:18 type "dmesg > dmesg.txt" Jul 11 14:13:19 Stupid_genius, close the dialog by hitting cnacel Jul 11 14:13:38 which will save the contents of the log in a file on the memory card called dmesg.txt Jul 11 14:14:01 then close the terminal, pop the card out and stick it in your laptop Jul 11 14:14:17 don't use notepad to open the file, choose wordpad Jul 11 14:14:20 is that with spaces or with out? Jul 11 14:14:27 once you've got it in front of you, let us know Jul 11 14:14:35 exactly as typed Jul 11 14:14:38 with the spaces Jul 11 14:14:42 yes Jul 11 14:14:44 * summatusmentis shuts up Jul 11 14:14:46 :D Jul 11 14:14:51 dmesg space > space dmesg.txt Jul 11 14:15:29 where does Jaffa live ? Jul 11 14:16:07 crashanddie: Cambridge way I think Jul 11 14:16:14 hmm Jul 11 14:16:23 so if he's not answering, it's cuz he's at work Jul 11 14:16:25 fair enough Jul 11 14:16:45 Jaffa Macclesfield (nr. Manchester 00:14 Jul 11 14:16:51 that's not a valied excuse! Jul 11 14:16:54 ok!! Jul 11 14:17:07 i've got it infront of me^^ Jul 11 14:17:41 good good Jul 11 14:18:00 open the following website: http://maemo.pastebin.com/ Jul 11 14:18:25 ok^^ Jul 11 14:18:35 copy and paste it all into the text box Jul 11 14:18:36 Jaffa is his real name ? Jul 11 14:18:45 select "a day" for how long to keep it for Jul 11 14:18:46 Andrew Flegg Jul 11 14:18:50 then hit send Jul 11 14:19:23 done Jul 11 14:19:35 anyone familiar with mud-builder ? Jul 11 14:19:39 ang give us the url Jul 11 14:19:40 I can haz link plz? kthxbai Jul 11 14:19:54 http://maemo.pastebin.com/d59c10343 Jul 11 14:20:48 nothing out of the ordinary Jul 11 14:20:55 :( Jul 11 14:21:04 mud? what mud? Jul 11 14:21:24 Stupid_genius, that's not a bad thing, though Jul 11 14:21:56 oh isn't is? Jul 11 14:22:09 still doesn't fix the problem :( Jul 11 14:22:15 lardman, mind if I kick in ? Jul 11 14:22:20 go for it Jul 11 14:22:28 * crashanddie rolls up sleeves Jul 11 14:22:32 hehehe Jul 11 14:22:33 Stupid_genius, ok, ready ? Jul 11 14:22:40 ready :D Jul 11 14:22:40 Stupid_genius, do you have access to your router ? Jul 11 14:23:01 you mean the actual router? Jul 11 14:23:02 yeah^^ Jul 11 14:23:23 ok, go on the interface Jul 11 14:23:31 ok you lost me... Jul 11 14:23:56 Stupid_genius, double click on your network icon in windows, bottom right Jul 11 14:24:26 ok^^ Jul 11 14:24:32 Stupid_genius, go into the second tab Jul 11 14:24:35 Stupid_genius, then click details Jul 11 14:24:50 Stupid_genius, there should be a line that says "gateway" Jul 11 14:25:05 hang on i'm not responding... Jul 11 14:27:05 * lardman feels like that too sometimes :) Jul 11 14:27:08 ok hang on while i start up the other computer Jul 11 14:27:10 ping stupid_genius Jul 11 14:27:19 ahahaha Jul 11 14:27:27 oh no! Jul 11 14:27:36 now the other compter won't start up!! Jul 11 14:27:44 why do all the computers hate me :'( Jul 11 14:27:57 I've already done my good deed for the day, I'm afraid I can't help with that one! :) Jul 11 14:27:58 have you confirmed you havent had a power cut :P Jul 11 14:28:11 ha ha ha... Jul 11 14:28:38 arrrh.... i really hate computers today!! Jul 11 14:28:44 lardman, did you get the airwall installed in your tyre? Jul 11 14:28:54 lol... Jul 11 14:28:59 I just tried something Jul 11 14:29:04 where the hell has system32's hal.dll gone!?! Jul 11 14:29:26 my bluetooth mouse works from downstairs Jul 11 14:29:29 hah, reminds me of a trojan I ran at school that deletes hal :P Jul 11 14:29:53 .... Jul 11 14:30:04 crashanddie, we play wii games from the kitchen - can carry on making brews and food whilst beating the kids at golf or bowling and stuff Jul 11 14:30:07 bsod? Jul 11 14:30:26 love the wii^^ Jul 11 14:30:28 Nah, it's a black screen from ntldr (i'd guess) saying that hal.dll is gone. Jul 11 14:30:29 lcuk_work, and say that bluetooth was supposed to be 3ft in the first rev Jul 11 14:30:42 brews eh? at home? with a game? homebrew games eh? Jul 11 14:30:49 yes!! black screen!! Jul 11 14:30:53 reinstall! Jul 11 14:30:53 qwerty12: ah, early one in the process then Jul 11 14:30:54 pekuja, only YUV ones Jul 11 14:31:26 ok i have another problem... Jul 11 14:31:41 hal is looooooooow level for windows. "I'm sorry Stupid_Genius, I'm afraid you cannot boot today" Jul 11 14:31:52 the computer that has the router access has lost it's hal... Jul 11 14:31:53 hahaha Jul 11 14:32:04 wil it boot tomorrow then :P Jul 11 14:32:10 Stupid_genius, there's only one computer that has router access ? Jul 11 14:32:10 I think you can extract an generic apm hal.dll from the xp cd. Jul 11 14:32:21 i don't know :'( Jul 11 14:32:25 shove a live cd in :) Jul 11 14:32:26 Stupid_genius, ok, let's just go for it Jul 11 14:32:27 the only one i was sure did :D Jul 11 14:32:39 Stupid_genius, open a browser (firefox, internet explorer) Jul 11 14:32:49 ok^^ Jul 11 14:32:50 Stupid_genius, and type "192.168.0.1" in the URL Jul 11 14:32:58 if that doesn't work, try "192.168.1.1" Jul 11 14:33:10 And if that fails, get out the nmap :P Jul 11 14:33:15 failing that just keep incrementing numbers until you find one that works Jul 11 14:33:24 crashanddie: open cmd.exe and type "ipconfig" Jul 11 14:33:32 to get the correct subnet at least Jul 11 14:33:36 ok i've got a little box for a user and password? Jul 11 14:33:44 Stupid_genius, admin admin Jul 11 14:33:48 or admin and empty Jul 11 14:33:58 Stupid_genius, what's the model of the router? Jul 11 14:34:01 Stupid_genius, if that fails, tell me the make of your router Jul 11 14:34:08 what if he is one of the 3 people in the world who have changed their default password? Jul 11 14:34:20 he's not Jul 11 14:34:26 anybody here using sbdmock ?? =) Jul 11 14:34:30 it's a netgear Jul 11 14:34:39 oh, use admin password Jul 11 14:34:49 user:admin password:password Jul 11 14:35:18 nope Jul 11 14:35:25 user:admin password:admin Jul 11 14:35:28 user:admin password:1234 Jul 11 14:35:30 i didn't set up the router Jul 11 14:35:40 look on the sticker at the back then Jul 11 14:35:43 1234? thats the password on my luggage Jul 11 14:35:53 hahaha Jul 11 14:35:54 that's the password to my bank account! Jul 11 14:35:57 lcuk_work, you have netgear luggage ? Awesome Jul 11 14:35:58 >_> :-P Jul 11 14:36:04 rofl Jul 11 14:36:04 muhahahaha, don't bring anything expensive to Berlin then! Jul 11 14:36:09 that's the password to my '"stash"! Jul 11 14:36:15 user:super password:5777364 Jul 11 14:36:16 qwerty12: share? Jul 11 14:36:27 user:superman password:21241036 Jul 11 14:36:35 summatusmentis, how are drug laws in your state? Jul 11 14:36:46 crashanddie: are you just making these up now...? :) Jul 11 14:36:52 lol... no Jul 11 14:36:53 the one I live in? or the one I go to school in? Jul 11 14:37:00 qwerty12, more importantly, what are the drug laws in your country Jul 11 14:37:13 lardman, http://www.routerpasswords.com/index.asp Jul 11 14:37:14 no and no Jul 11 14:37:19 lcuk_work, no idea, I live in some little place called Britain, what do I know! Jul 11 14:37:24 Múm, Ballad OF Broken Birdie (ruxpin remix II) http://youtube.com/watch?v=b8DWzzZOlZA nice tune Jul 11 14:37:29 Stupid_genius, user:admin password:(nothing, leave empty) Jul 11 14:37:36 qwerty12: everything is illegal, save for this thing called salvia, although marijuana is semi-legalized in some states Jul 11 14:37:46 :'( no Jul 11 14:37:59 Stupid_genius, well... That sucks Jul 11 14:38:02 Stupid_genius, what are you actually trying to do? Jul 11 14:38:13 get my nokia to talk to the wlan again Jul 11 14:38:25 lcuk_work, his n810 doesn't pick up his wifi network anymore, I'm pretty sure it's because his router uses automatic channel detection Jul 11 14:38:31 s/detection/selection Jul 11 14:38:40 crashanddie: why would that change though? Jul 11 14:38:45 when did it work and what did you change Jul 11 14:38:52 lcuk_work, he flashed to diablo Jul 11 14:39:02 I'M A SHE!!!! Jul 11 14:39:03 summatusmentis, the NIT doesn't play well with that feature Jul 11 14:39:08 oh Jul 11 14:39:12 lmao Jul 11 14:39:12 ...... Jul 11 14:39:16 so why should he need to fuck with his router if it worked before and the only thing thats changed is the nit Jul 11 14:39:21 ^she Jul 11 14:39:22 lies, there are no girls on the internet Jul 11 14:39:22 s/he/she! Jul 11 14:39:41 summatusmentis, so what are you doing here then? Jul 11 14:39:42 ok so i'm your imaginary friend :P Jul 11 14:39:43 lcuk_work, because that's what I experienced on 3 networks that had that feature activated... Deactivate the feature and I saw the network again Jul 11 14:39:55 damn, new tyre not here until tomorrow :( Jul 11 14:39:57 qwerty12: only here because your mom is in the other room freshening up Jul 11 14:40:01 >_> Jul 11 14:40:01 maybe i should smash the router with ahammer? Jul 11 14:40:12 Stupid_genius: then nothing will work, don't do that :) Jul 11 14:40:14 Stupid_genius: was about to suggest that a few minutes ago ;) Jul 11 14:40:19 Stupid_genius, I'm starting to understand why it's so difficult to help you :-° Jul 11 14:40:28 summatusmentis, please tell your dad not to ask for a backshot again Jul 11 14:40:42 :P Jul 11 14:40:48 haha :) Jul 11 14:40:48 qwerty12, summatusmentis: take it out to the playground! Jul 11 14:40:48 summatusmentis & qwerty12: that'll be enough Jul 11 14:40:58 hehe Jul 11 14:40:58 * summatusmentis stops Jul 11 14:41:03 apologies Jul 11 14:41:17 Stupid_genius, does the 810 see the router connection in its list but cannot connect or is it just invisible Jul 11 14:41:21 * qwerty12 was about "take it out to the playground!" but I refrain :P Jul 11 14:41:24 lcuk_work, invisible Jul 11 14:41:32 :D Jul 11 14:41:35 can you see any APs in this list Jul 11 14:41:39 ap? Jul 11 14:41:44 access points Jul 11 14:41:48 networks to connect to Jul 11 14:41:48 lcuk_work, she picked up her neighbour's Jul 11 14:41:55 yeah^^ Jul 11 14:41:57 i did^^ Jul 11 14:42:06 ... well... "it picked up" Jul 11 14:42:10 can you connect to it? cos if so !bonus, free internet Jul 11 14:42:26 lcuk_work, notice the past tense "picked up" Jul 11 14:42:34 lcuk_work, as in "too far to be picked up all the time" Jul 11 14:42:35 it dumped you? Jul 11 14:42:49 lcuk_work, we don't all live in our neighbour's cupboard Jul 11 14:43:08 hey, i moved out since that episode. the police were very understanding Jul 11 14:43:25 lcuk_work, read the story about the chinese girl who lived in someone's cupboard for 6 months , Jul 11 14:43:26 ? Jul 11 14:43:46 japanese Jul 11 14:43:52 http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSCOO06330120080530?feedTyp Jul 11 14:44:03 "A Japanese man who was mystified when food kept disappearing from his kitchen, set up a hidden camera and found an unknown woman living secretly in his closet, Japanese media said Friday." Jul 11 14:44:07 i saw, i also saw the one today about a guy who moved into a shed in england Jul 11 14:44:19 The 57-year-old unemployed man of *Fukuoka* Jul 11 14:44:24 he did gardening duties and tidied everything up Jul 11 14:44:50 how does one manage to get an 'unknown woman' in their house? Jul 11 14:45:02 try user:=admin , password=Password Jul 11 14:45:23 fnordianslip, capital P being the important part ? Jul 11 14:45:24 but this is digressing, Stupid_genius go take your 8x0 outside and see if it can connect to anything or if diablo has royallyu fucked it up Jul 11 14:45:28 yep Jul 11 14:45:48 watch your langueage :P Jul 11 14:45:58 Stupid_genius, try what fnordianslip said, capital P in Password Jul 11 14:46:10 anyways it picked up my naighours Jul 11 14:46:14 doesn't work Jul 11 14:46:25 neighbours'* Jul 11 14:46:28 Run a brute forcer on it. Jul 11 14:46:37 yeah, like that's going to solve problems Jul 11 14:46:48 i'm dyslexic... pick me up on my spelling and i won't be happy :( Jul 11 14:46:52 qwerty12, that's quite the american way Jul 11 14:47:08 Stupid_genius, I live in France, guilt trip won't work on me Jul 11 14:47:08 That's qwerty's lazy way :p Jul 11 14:47:29 ooo my friend is studying in france^^ Jul 11 14:47:33 hmm, that last sentence can be interpreted in so many ways... Jul 11 14:48:13 Stupid_genius, last time someone said that, the next sentence was "maybe you know him ? His name is..." Jul 11 14:48:41 france is a big place :P Jul 11 14:48:43 65M people in a country, and the dude takes a chance in hoping maybe I know him... Jul 11 14:48:44 anyone got a SDK set up with the 770 kernel? Jul 11 14:49:40 hey it's a small world outside of france :P Jul 11 14:51:22 * qwerty12 life would be so much easier if a description of the package was included in the dsc Jul 11 14:51:51 qwerty12: second that Jul 11 14:52:21 oh it's picked up nextdoors again Jul 11 14:52:43 two it's picked up two! Jul 11 14:52:47 but still not mine... Jul 11 14:53:03 aquatix, :). I'm always opening up the control file manually to find this package is useless to me >.< Jul 11 14:55:21 chbnav101_102-lb.crescomhosting.fi Jul 11 14:55:23 woops Jul 11 14:55:44 hax Jul 11 14:56:47 that's where the maps for wayfinder are hosted Jul 11 14:56:54 Now I just need to find a way to access 'em :P Jul 11 14:57:17 * qwerty12 knows not to mess around with phoenix now, heh, my wlan chip was stuck in some state and it wouldn't properly connect to my network. I had to downgrade to the oldest firmware for N800 and then reupdate to diablo (I knew CAL/config partition would be partly rewritten :/) Jul 11 14:57:45 Stupid_genius: do you have wireless-tools installed? Jul 11 14:57:46 http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/wireless-tools/ Jul 11 14:57:47 crashanddie, I'll try and take a look for you, ftd provides me a quick way to use tcpdump :) Jul 11 14:58:09 lcuk said: ooops ~ language - ive lost my computer could you apologise to the chan for language.. Jul 11 14:58:16 no Jul 11 14:58:43 qwerty12, I've been using tcpdump to get that IP Jul 11 14:58:57 qwerty12, now I'm going to use wireshark over the wifi network to find better info :P Jul 11 14:59:08 Ah, cool :P :D Jul 11 14:59:24 lcuk said: also, get stupid to try to reboot the router Jul 11 14:59:42 i'm looking for the plug :D Jul 11 14:59:46 Hmm, the sun doesn't count as a sunday paper does it? Jul 11 14:59:51 but if i do i'll go from here Jul 11 14:59:57 crashanddie: hm, like i said 2 hours ago? :) Jul 11 14:59:58 Stupid_genius, you'll be back Jul 11 15:00:09 ok i'll give it a go^^ Jul 11 15:00:11 aquatix, I'm just lcuk's proxy Jul 11 15:00:17 Stupid_genius: good luck Jul 11 15:00:21 crashanddie: ;) Jul 11 15:00:33 Stupid_genius, I know it won't work, but give it a shot, I know it's what I'm saying from the start Jul 11 15:00:46 Stupid_genius, call your hubby or whatever, and get the password to the router, and you'll be going in no time Jul 11 15:01:09 qwerty12, tcpdump doesn't show the actual HTTP frames, does it ? Jul 11 15:01:21 she might be timing out already Jul 11 15:01:30 * aquatix is gone for a bit; groceries Jul 11 15:01:37 crashanddie, no idea, never used it before :) Jul 11 15:03:06 i'm back i think^^ Jul 11 15:03:15 welcome back Jul 11 15:03:19 :D Jul 11 15:03:48 didn't work though :( Jul 11 15:03:57 i think i've broken it... Jul 11 15:04:00 :'( Jul 11 15:05:21 be back in a bit Jul 11 15:05:24 network sniffing, all that Jul 11 15:05:47 Stupid: are you up to installing wireless-tools? Jul 11 15:06:03 on the laoptop? Jul 11 15:06:20 Stupid: if so you could do a "iwlist scan" to see more detailed info about the wifi networks available Jul 11 15:06:35 ok^^ Jul 11 15:06:55 i thought you were on a tablet... but i haven't been following Jul 11 15:07:13 it's the tablet that isn't connecting to the wlan Jul 11 15:07:24 so i'm useing my laptop here Jul 11 15:07:38 should i try a restore?? Jul 11 15:07:43 or would that not help?? Jul 11 15:08:31 ah ok... i see Jul 11 15:08:49 you would need to get net on your tablet to install wireless-tools on it Jul 11 15:09:08 Stupid: you said you had another computer. perhaps the web browser on that has stored the login details for the router ? Jul 11 15:09:14 well if you do not mind losing what is on flash on the device you could re-flash it all Jul 11 15:09:25 but that's the problem... i can't get the net on the tablet to work Jul 11 15:09:34 i know :) Jul 11 15:09:36 now Jul 11 15:09:56 fnordanslip thats also a problem the hal.dll is missing to it won't boot up Jul 11 15:10:15 lol. Jul 11 15:10:27 bad day then Jul 11 15:10:37 very! Jul 11 15:12:38 so, we really need to get your NIT connected, so you can forget about those nasty Windows boxes Jul 11 15:13:03 NIT? Jul 11 15:13:24 Nokia Internet Tablet Jul 11 15:13:29 ah Jul 11 15:13:36 yeah :D Jul 11 15:14:37 back to trickie's wireless-tools plan then Jul 11 15:14:37 StupidlittleGeni: you could try grabbing this on your laptop, and via usbnetworking to your tablet... copy it across and install it with dpkg: Jul 11 15:14:40 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb Jul 11 15:15:01 if i knew what that was then maybe :D Jul 11 15:15:09 thats wireless-tools Jul 11 15:15:28 dpkg? Jul 11 15:15:45 dpkg is how package management is done Jul 11 15:15:55 dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb Jul 11 15:16:01 that would install that package Jul 11 15:16:04 for example Jul 11 15:16:28 then you could use the commands outlined in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc Jul 11 15:16:33 s/lin/link/ Jul 11 15:16:34 trickie meant: then you could use the commands outlinked in that other lin i gave you before... iwlist etc Jul 11 15:16:38 question: how big is the debian install ? Jul 11 15:18:04 ok i've stuck in the usb lead :D Jul 11 15:19:14 StupidlittleGeni: ok, ill be quick as i have to go... but here is the plan: Jul 11 15:20:03 what happened? Jul 11 15:20:06 :S Jul 11 15:20:13 copy the wireless-tools .deb to the tablet, either by usbnetworking (scp etc) or just sticking it on a mmc card (probably what pops up on your pc if you just stick in the cable) Jul 11 15:20:28 ok! Jul 11 15:20:50 then on the tablet... go to the location of where you stuck it... /media/mmc1 for example Jul 11 15:21:18 then as root (thats another story) type: "dkpg -i wireless-tools_29~pre21-2.osso1_armel.deb" Jul 11 15:21:33 then you can use iwlist to see what networks your wifi card really sees Jul 11 15:21:46 i have to go, but maybe someone here can help if you get stcuk Jul 11 15:21:49 stuck even Jul 11 15:21:53 anyway... good luck! Jul 11 15:21:55 ciao Jul 11 15:22:01 thanks for helping!! Jul 11 15:22:03 byee Jul 11 15:22:44 what is the diff of the wireless-tools and what comes with Diablo? Jul 11 15:23:10 it has iwconfig and somoe other stuff Jul 11 15:23:28 ahh kewl Jul 11 15:24:12 it says incompatable aplication package.... Jul 11 15:24:43 :'( i give up.... Jul 11 15:24:50 i'll never fix it.... Jul 11 15:26:00 patience. it's worth more effort than the borked windows box ;-) Jul 11 15:26:30 WAIT!!! Jul 11 15:26:40 IT's found it!!! Jul 11 15:26:49 I don't know how but it's found it!!! Jul 11 15:26:52 woohoo Jul 11 15:26:57 will it connect ? Jul 11 15:26:57 It's conecting!!! Jul 11 15:27:03 it's done it!!!!!! Jul 11 15:27:13 Jul 11 15:27:18 woot Jul 11 15:27:27 WOOHOOOOOO!!!! Jul 11 15:27:31 Thank you so muchh guys^^ Jul 11 15:27:47 did you do anything, or did dpkg fix it by acident? Jul 11 15:28:02 i didn't do anything! Jul 11 15:28:14 it just all of a sudden showed up in the list! Jul 11 15:28:29 weird Jul 11 15:28:36 did you turn on the router? Jul 11 15:28:41 yeah but at least it's working Jul 11 15:28:54 the router has to be on for me to be here ;) Jul 11 15:29:07 that's what *you* think.... Jul 11 15:29:14 well observed. not so stupid. Jul 11 15:29:21 ;) Jul 11 15:29:42 i do know a thing or two :P Jul 11 15:30:39 yay!! it's installing everything again!! Jul 11 15:31:04 my mum phoned me up and said the 5.25inch floppy she'd put in the computer had disappeared. i told her to get a screwdriver, take of the case and see if it was lying in the bootom of the box. it was. Jul 11 15:31:18 bottom, even Jul 11 15:31:31 awwww Jul 11 15:31:48 she'd posted it through a gap between the disk drives Jul 11 15:31:59 that's so sweet^^ Jul 11 15:32:02 lol Jul 11 15:32:40 I'm not that bad ;) Jul 11 15:32:48 it's just when things go wrong Jul 11 15:33:00 i have no idea how to fix them Jul 11 15:33:08 my brother is a computer genius^^ Jul 11 15:33:49 so StupidlittleGeni what did you need to do to cure your problem Jul 11 15:33:56 no idea Jul 11 15:34:02 it just started working again Jul 11 15:34:15 something some one said must have had an effect^^ Jul 11 15:34:19 did crash ask you to reboot the router Jul 11 15:34:37 i did reset it but it made no difference Jul 11 15:34:42 * lcuk_work cant scrollback to see Jul 11 15:35:05 glad its workin for you anyway Jul 11 15:35:20 me too^^ Jul 11 15:35:22 * lcuk_work has forgotten what he popped home for Jul 11 15:35:25 thanks so much for helping^^ Jul 11 15:35:32 lol Jul 11 15:35:41 thank them lot up there ^^ Jul 11 15:36:37 anyone got a link to the latest carmen screenshots? Jul 11 15:36:55 lcuk_work: he did Jul 11 15:37:01 and i did 2 hours before that ;) Jul 11 15:37:13 StupidlittleGeni: glad it works now! Jul 11 15:37:29 Atarii, How could you!?! I searched carmen on google images and my mom slapped me! Jul 11 15:37:51 lol qwertz Jul 11 15:37:57 me too^^ Jul 11 15:38:12 qwerty12: what's your mom doing on your pc? Jul 11 15:38:13 Atarii, Nah, anyway http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update lo; Jul 11 15:38:31 aquatix, she isn't, she's behind me watching tv though :D Jul 11 15:38:37 ah ;) Jul 11 15:38:49 ah yes thanks qwerty12 that was the link i was looking for! Jul 11 15:38:51 * aquatix is thankful his mom doesn't live at his place Jul 11 15:39:45 how does carman physically interface with your car btw? Jul 11 15:40:25 ah, Obd2-> bluetooth connectors for example Jul 11 15:45:21 Hmm, anyone ever tried compiling a 0xFFFF for windows using the windows port of libusb? Jul 11 15:46:24 :D Jul 11 15:46:45 qwerty12: whuh? Jul 11 15:47:35 0xFFFF = is that free, open sourced flasher. Seeing as the windows flasher sucks, I thought it would be interesting to try out 0xFFFF in windows. Jul 11 15:47:47 But I guess there is more to it then libusb. Jul 11 15:47:55 than even Jul 11 15:47:56 ah :) Jul 11 15:52:01 Thanks so much again guys^^ Jul 11 15:52:15 I'm off to reinstall all my aplications! Jul 11 15:52:26 byeeeee Jul 11 15:52:28 xxxxxxxxxxx Jul 11 15:53:07 o/ Jul 11 15:53:24 so far for our only maemo girl Jul 11 15:53:46 Not true. Jul 11 15:54:38 ah no Jul 11 15:54:50 but i forgot her nick :/ Jul 11 15:55:06 GeneralAntilles: or are you...? ;) Jul 11 15:55:10 There's four or five others that I can think of off-hand. Jul 11 15:55:12 Not me. ;) Jul 11 15:55:32 * aquatix apparantly doesn't follow the discussions here enough Jul 11 15:55:48 * GeneralAntilles probably follows them too much. Jul 11 15:55:53 ;) Jul 11 15:56:27 X-Fade, ping/pong. Jul 11 15:56:51 * qwerty12 is surprised to see so much N800 product codes: http://i36.tinypic.com/28rny35.jpg Jul 11 15:57:15 localised i'd say Jul 11 15:57:37 something to do with wifi frequencies too maybe? Jul 11 15:57:40 looks like localisation Jul 11 15:57:58 The FCC and the ETSI ones for sure are to do with wifi. Jul 11 15:58:38 isnt wifi in the free 2.4 GHz range ( except frans whichuses it as military band ) Jul 11 15:58:38 * qwerty12 wonders if I would get arrested for taking an UK N800 over to the US :P Jul 11 15:58:59 doh .. electronic frequenecy Jul 11 15:59:13 Hrm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3435#c1 Jul 11 15:59:15 Any comments? Jul 11 16:00:06 qwerty12: i have a US n810 in the netherlands ;) Jul 11 16:00:36 aquatix, doesn't matter ;). US N810's have less wifi channels. Jul 11 16:00:51 hm Jul 11 16:00:59 so that's why it was so cheap ;) Jul 11 16:00:59 <||cw> wifi is 2.4 and 5Ghz depend on type, and it's power limited. over that power limit, you can get a license Jul 11 16:01:27 only 2 channels less amirite? Jul 11 16:01:30 13/14 Jul 11 16:01:46 11 Jul 11 16:01:51 I'm pretty sure it's a software restriction and if cal was reversed, you could set it to etsi which would let wlancond fire up the full range of channels. Jul 11 16:01:58 ^ Jul 11 16:02:13 qwerty12: cal? Jul 11 16:02:36 aquatix, /dev/mtd1 :P Jul 11 16:02:53 Nah, it contains the settings of the N8*0 (lock code, region etc) Jul 11 16:02:59 ah Jul 11 16:03:25 (A *lot* is actually stored in there, internal partition layout etc) Jul 11 16:03:40 hm, *don't* cat that device ;) Jul 11 16:04:06 Meh, I've even catted to it ;). But I think I need mtd-tools to write my own config files to it anyway. Jul 11 16:05:05 man duke nukem never gets old! Jul 11 16:05:17 How was Stupid*'s problem fixed then? Jul 11 16:05:38 Magic? (seriously, none of us including Stupid* know) Jul 11 16:05:42 i dont think there was a specific fix Jul 11 16:06:14 hmm Jul 11 16:06:24 us radio hams can do more interesting things with wifi, like use a fair bit more power, but we can't run crypto to that limits the potential Jul 11 16:06:30 just thinkering + some voodoo == profit! Jul 11 16:06:32 ah well, at least another happy camper hey Jul 11 16:06:39 i mean us, not US of course Jul 11 16:06:49 fnordianslip: ah Jul 11 16:07:16 fnordianslip: you talking about the fact that we have no access to the crypto engines on the omaps? Jul 11 16:07:50 nope. radio hams can't use crypto. someones taking it out of SSH so we can just use an authenticated channel Jul 11 16:07:59 Does anybody know what happens internally with USB host? I hacked together a cable, which works in Maemo, but not in Debian. Jul 11 16:08:22 Tried setting the mode manually? Jul 11 16:09:36 How? I connected the OTG pin to ground, I thought that was supposed to force host mode? Jul 11 16:09:51 I'm having trouble flashing my N800. I connected the USB cable to my PC (Vista), turned on the N800, the USB icon comes on the N800 screen for a moment and then disappears and it continues booting. Can someone help me figure out what's wrong? Jul 11 16:09:54 * GeneralAntilles sighs @ more itT stupidity. Jul 11 16:10:17 pope523 hold down the home key Jul 11 16:10:25 with the power key Jul 11 16:10:32 When I'm turning it on? Jul 11 16:10:36 yes Jul 11 16:10:36 Atarii: I always just had the flasher running, and that caught it :P Jul 11 16:10:55 Capn_Fish, echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Jul 11 16:11:00 lucky :p Jul 11 16:11:05 Atari: Super, thanks :) Jul 11 16:11:09 qwerty12: I'll try that now Jul 11 16:14:08 qwerty12: Nothing. :( Jul 11 16:14:34 Capn_Fish has you enabled usb-host-mode using the linux flasher? Jul 11 16:14:53 :(. I'm not sure whether it's the kernel or ke-recv that provides automatic switching. Jul 11 16:15:02 Atarii, doesn't need to be done for N8*0 Jul 11 16:15:16 That's good :) Jul 11 16:15:19 ah my bad Jul 11 16:15:43 I'm not even getting stuff from dmesg Jul 11 16:15:57 Heck, the mouse's LED isn't even coming on Jul 11 16:16:02 So there's not even power Jul 11 16:24:18 gna.. garage.m.o connection problems again.. Jul 11 16:28:44 I've installed the account-plugin-haze plugin and added AIM, YIM, and MSN accounts to it. However, it hasn't downloaded any of my contacts. How can I get it to download my contacts? Jul 11 16:43:29 back Jul 11 16:43:48 http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/%2Bz/mapdata_France/bu.qt Jul 11 16:43:49 :D Jul 11 16:44:09 muhahaha, so you came through with the stuff :) Jul 11 16:44:13 http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps Jul 11 16:44:38 * qwerty12 wonders if the S60 maps would work Jul 11 16:46:12 now, only find a way to retrieve said files and put them in the NIT Jul 11 16:46:27 qwerty12, wireshark is awesome :P Jul 11 16:46:43 I opened my tcpdump into wireshark too but gave up :P :) Jul 11 16:47:04 qwerty12, I just launched wireshark from my computer Jul 11 16:47:15 and sniffed the whole network Jul 11 16:47:17 :D Jul 11 16:47:41 Hah :) Jul 11 16:48:00 Just out of question, isn't the built in downloader of maps working for you? Jul 11 16:48:27 nope Jul 11 16:48:28 fails everytime Jul 11 16:48:38 I had to try 6 different times to get the UK one Jul 11 16:48:47 and now I can't get France anymore Jul 11 16:48:50 tried at least 30 times Jul 11 16:48:52 fails everytime Jul 11 16:48:53 Ouch Jul 11 16:49:05 and yeah well, I kinda need france :P Jul 11 16:49:10 how ironic that may seem Jul 11 16:50:21 hello Jul 11 16:50:41 * Prez00_ is very happt with Diablo, finally tablet is very usable.. Jul 11 16:58:35 lardman, have you seen the mail Jul 11 16:59:13 qwerty12, http://slexy.org/view/s20BpOyY6G Jul 11 17:00:09 granted, that only works for France atm Jul 11 17:00:16 crashanddie, ooh, v.nice work. Maybe I'll end up getting the French maps soon :) Jul 11 17:00:27 I might modify the script to support all maps Jul 11 17:00:38 I'm testing if it actually works now :D Jul 11 17:01:56 I've installed the account-plugin-haze package and added some YIM, AIM, and MSN accounts to the RTCOMM application. However, none of these accounts have downloaded the contacts from the server. It can allow me to chat, and when people send me messages I receive them. What must I do to get my contacts working? Jul 11 17:02:28 cjohnson what device/OS are you on? Jul 11 17:03:00 bye bye :- Jul 11 17:03:39 Atarii, OS2008 chinook N800 Jul 11 17:04:57 im having the exact same problem with 2008HE Jul 11 17:07:00 what's HE Jul 11 17:07:37 hacker edition Jul 11 17:07:40 its for the 770 Jul 11 17:08:43 i hadn't heard of anyone having this problem before, so i was just going to copy over my contacts from the computer, but maybe we are doing something wrong if it is now commonly-occuring Jul 11 17:09:38 X-Fade, ping and usuk. :P Jul 11 17:09:49 Atarii, perhaps Jul 11 17:10:06 Atarii, I was reading when the package first released that people had issues with just MSN, but that if you waited a day or so it'd show up Jul 11 17:10:16 Atarii, but I've now waited 3, and it's not just MSN, so I think it's more than that Jul 11 17:10:32 Atarii, Shall we submit a bug report where necessary? Jul 11 17:10:41 ah, well ive only tried msn, so maybe i should have waited longer Jul 11 17:11:17 i didnt submit a bug previously, due to HE being non-supported, but it may be worth you submitting one Jul 11 17:11:41 Not unless you're running the full rtcomm beta. Jul 11 17:12:22 How can I check that? Jul 11 17:12:30 You aren't. Jul 11 17:12:34 Oh Jul 11 17:12:42 So then there's nothing I can do to get my contacts? Jul 11 17:12:45 It's this: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 11 17:12:48 I don't know Jul 11 17:12:56 They loaded fine for me with the Collabora approach. Jul 11 17:13:15 That's what I used Jul 11 17:20:47 qwerty12, I missed something Jul 11 17:20:58 qwerty12, Map doesn't recognise what I downloaded Jul 11 17:21:19 and I didn't get everything, I only have 215MB instead of 296 ... Jul 11 17:21:34 Hmm, the structure of the maps folder is quite complex tbh Jul 11 17:21:57 Well, there's one thing that bothers me Jul 11 17:22:11 you know, this file: http://update.wayfinder.com/maemo/list_maps Jul 11 17:22:40 That file = map.lst Jul 11 17:22:57 the first column is the name of the map, second is an identifier of some sort, that goes in the URL to download it, then there's the size (in bytes), then some other int I haven't been able to identify, and then the map version Jul 11 17:23:34 each row is separated by a space, each column separated by a semicolon Jul 11 17:23:51 but see, the link I've used to download the french map Jul 11 17:24:06 http://update.wayfinder.com/components/7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80/2.3.1.138/+z/mapdata_France/ Jul 11 17:24:32 if I replace the identifier, and the end of mapdata_ Jul 11 17:24:37 I get a 404 and get redirected Jul 11 17:25:16 also, I don't know where the POI files come from Jul 11 17:25:25 But you need to change the 7ba string too Jul 11 17:25:32 7ba7aaf4e67d32c7b33e6a8f2e4f5b80 = France Jul 11 17:25:38 yeah, I changed that Jul 11 17:25:44 Sorry, my bad. Jul 11 17:26:20 ok, I'm going wireshark a bit more, trying to get more info Jul 11 17:26:30 I'll try a few downloads, especially the small ones :D Jul 11 17:26:41 Luxembourg! :P Jul 11 17:26:41 and see if I can get more information out of it Jul 11 17:26:47 nha, that's part of Benelux Jul 11 17:26:57 so it's belgium+luxemburg+netherlands Jul 11 17:27:07 Ah :) Jul 11 17:27:09 singapore :D 1MB Jul 11 17:27:34 bbl Jul 11 17:27:37 Hi ! Jul 11 17:27:46 Hum i ve found something interesting ... Jul 11 17:27:49 http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb Jul 11 17:27:52 Hmm. Anyone tried Maemo mappe with OSM lately? Jul 11 17:28:06 My OSM maps are suddenly off by a magnitude of several 100 m. Jul 11 17:29:41 anyone knows the guys responsible for mogg ?? Jul 11 17:29:45 do they use IRC? Jul 11 17:30:30 i think kulve works on it but not sure Jul 11 17:30:58 jott: kulve is the ogg-support guy Jul 11 17:31:13 yeah that's what i had in mind ;) Jul 11 17:31:28 kulve: any chance of uploading your packages to maemo extras? Jul 11 17:31:33 :) Jul 11 17:32:12 Go etrunko, go etrunko! Jul 11 17:32:24 or even working together with the mogg guys to provide the same base libraries, such as vorbisidec, theora and so Jul 11 17:32:34 X-Fade: are you ignoring us in #canola? Jul 11 17:32:36 :S Jul 11 17:32:53 etrunko: Sorry, had some disconnects on my IRC box. Jul 11 17:33:04 X-Fade! Jul 11 17:33:35 hah now all your spare time is gone X-Fade :) Jul 11 17:33:37 X-Fade: don't worry... MoRpHeUz is having bad dreams with sbdmock and scratchbox together Jul 11 17:33:49 kind of a unstable mixture Jul 11 17:33:52 GeneralAntilles: Did you see the wiki skin? ;) Jul 11 17:33:59 Yeah, looks hot. Jul 11 17:34:44 etrunko: Heh, well we are having some unexplained problems in sbdmock every now and again. Ed is working with the sbdmock author to work things out. Jul 11 17:34:47 Think it would be worthwhile to switch mediawiki's page/discussion/edit/history bar to the style of the subbar on the maemo.org front page? Jul 11 17:35:31 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I hesitated a bit when doing that. Jul 11 17:35:35 X-Fade: i see... and as Ed is on holidays atm, things may be stalled Jul 11 17:35:49 Yeah, there's something to keeping the mediawiki style for that. . . . Jul 11 17:35:51 GeneralAntilles: As it then will take in a bit more space. Jul 11 17:36:11 etrunko: Yep, but he deserved a break ;) Jul 11 17:36:15 indeed Jul 11 17:36:29 he helped on the first maemo-efl scripts a lot Jul 11 17:36:40 etrunko: He did all that work in his spare time. Jul 11 17:37:20 And while doing that also ported a big number of packages! Jul 11 17:37:30 test cases Jul 11 17:37:31 :) Jul 11 17:37:49 ok... so lightmediascanner won't suppor ogg for diablo at this momment Jul 11 17:37:52 sad.. Jul 11 17:38:47 etrunko: There is now an incoming-nonfree queue for diablo only. So you can upload your closed packages there. Jul 11 17:39:39 X-Fade: great, any special configuration? Jul 11 17:40:13 etrunko: Just take your extras chinook config and replace chinook -> diablo and change incoming -> incoming-nonfree Jul 11 17:40:18 neat, bme-dbus-proxy transfers 1:1 to debian Jul 11 17:40:21 thnks Jul 11 17:40:46 etrunko: And ping me when the files are there, because I need to run the queuemanager manually the first time ;) Jul 11 17:41:13 I have to make sure I didn't corrupt the repository afterwards.. Jul 11 17:41:18 X-Fade: you bet i will Jul 11 17:45:12 GeneralAntilles: Do you think that adding nofollow to our links on the wiki will help lowering the spam? Jul 11 17:45:42 it will help to disuade future spammers Jul 11 17:45:47 Huh. Midgard is demanding net.nemein.registrations:manage privilege for the Maemo Summit registration form now. Jul 11 17:46:04 sjgadsby: For a new registration? Jul 11 17:46:12 whether or not the current ones who have written a program and have uson their list will stop is another question Jul 11 17:46:18 X-Fade to see the form at all. Jul 11 17:46:19 qwerty is gone ? Jul 11 17:46:25 X-Fade, it would be even better to get the ips Jul 11 17:46:46 X-Fade, probably a bit. Jul 11 17:47:12 lcuk, mind doing something for me ? Jul 11 17:47:16 X-Fade: "Free registration" link on http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ Jul 11 17:47:25 lcuk, try to access: http://update.wayfinder.com/components/a4b90cf5b70a2d4c09b76f5b80a2c421/2.3.1.122/%2Bz/mapdata_Hawaii/lu.qt Jul 11 17:47:26 i can try Jul 11 17:47:28 lcuk, you see the preview I have up? Jul 11 17:47:33 Happen to have a logo for me yet? :P Jul 11 17:48:03 crashanddie_, yes it downloaded. GeneralAntilles no i havent seen yet Jul 11 17:48:16 lcuk, you got the file ? Jul 11 17:48:17 do i need to do a svn download thing or is it up somewhere Jul 11 17:48:19 O_O Jul 11 17:48:31 yes 11.7 KB (12,071 bytes) Jul 11 17:48:34 sjgadsby: Hmm let me see if i have an unprived account. Jul 11 17:50:28 sjgadsby: Hmm it works for my test user, I'll check if something is wrong with your account. Jul 11 17:51:18 X-Fade: Ah, could it be because I've already submitted a registration? I wanted to revisit the form to see if I missed anything. Jul 11 17:51:44 sjgadsby: That is probably it. You aren't allowed to edit. Jul 11 17:52:11 X-Fade: Ah, I understand. I apologize for crying wolf. Jul 11 17:52:55 Heh, I'm amazed by some people asking sponsorship and filling in no other fields at all ;) Jul 11 17:52:56 re Jul 11 17:53:21 crashanddie_: pong Jul 11 17:53:37 crashanddie_: *used* to live in Macclesfield. Now in Rugby Jul 11 17:53:48 sjgadsby: It seems you need to travel quite some distance to get there btw :) Jul 11 17:54:02 Jaffa, oh, hi :) Jul 11 17:54:39 X-Fade: Yes. I'm not sure what I have to offer either, but Quim asked me to apply... Jul 11 17:56:34 BoF on bugzilla statistics! Jul 11 17:57:10 GeneralAntilles: Did you see Misha's hint about a bugzilla plugin for the wiki :D Jul 11 17:57:22 No, where? Jul 11 17:57:42 GeneralAntilles: Tsk tsk, not tracking recentchanges enough ;) Jul 11 17:57:53 Jaffa, got my PM ? Jul 11 17:58:07 GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=100Days/Sprint3&curid=654&diff=4336&oldid=3719&rcid=4341 Jul 11 17:59:06 Ooh Jul 11 17:59:10 sjgadsby, you'll like this. ^ Jul 11 17:59:19 I'm looking at it now. Jul 11 17:59:50 Not that I can see. But I /was/ at work. Well, company meeting: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-11.log.html#t2008-07-11T13:03:24 Jul 11 18:00:18 Might be a potential response to this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 :\ Jul 11 18:00:52 GeneralAntilles: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports Jul 11 18:01:18 Ha! I don't know what Mutiny32's looking for. Jul 11 18:01:20 Another wonder itT rant. Jul 11 18:01:32 I'd take GNOME's overview stuff, though. Jul 11 18:01:43 How can 2,937 clickable keywords be better than a keyword search? Jul 11 18:01:52 I don't know Jul 11 18:02:01 I'm not sure how he figures Launchpad is better than Bugzilla, either. Jul 11 18:02:02 :shudder: Jul 11 18:02:34 X-Fade, this is fantastic. Jul 11 18:02:38 This Bugzilla Reports MediaWiki things looks niiiice, though. Jul 11 18:02:43 Jaffa, hang on Jul 11 18:02:45 Think you could get ferenc to install that yesterday? :D Jul 11 18:03:04 Jaffa, mind if I PM you ? Jul 11 18:03:06 GeneralAntilles: Nope, no way. Jul 11 18:03:25 crashanddie_: feel free, just about to eat tho' so I might be absent for an hour or so Jul 11 18:03:31 Jaffa, same here Jul 11 18:03:33 GeneralAntilles: But I can send him a mail to ask ;) Jul 11 18:04:14 GeneralAntilles: WTF? That rant starts on about bug trackers, then password protected repos, then the A-GPS app, then broken packages. Jul 11 18:04:36 Pretty nutty, right? Jul 11 18:05:18 which rant ? Jul 11 18:05:24 * Jaffa resists responding to "I chose to be clear and concise" with "Well, you missed that by a mile, huh?" since he's had a few drinks already. Jul 11 18:05:29 crashanddie_, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 Jul 11 18:07:51 Erhm Jul 11 18:07:55 That guy is an idiot, right ? Jul 11 18:07:59 yup Jul 11 18:08:01 Haha Jul 11 18:08:19 "why doesn't the package manager manage dependencies ?" It does... It just doesn't tell you it does Jul 11 18:08:57 It does, it just doesn't manage idiots. Jul 11 18:09:02 so I've just spent an hour debugging about 200 lines of C++ - widgets responded to events the first time, not the second.... look at line 14 : http://pastebin.com/d4ae0db8d Jul 11 18:09:11 grrr Jul 11 18:09:19 Ha Jul 11 18:09:47 and, of course, no syntax error because the class I'm in has an add() member.... Jul 11 18:10:23 I now deserve alcohol and food Jul 11 18:10:25 lbt: ouch Jul 11 18:10:26 l8r Jul 11 18:10:52 Jaffa: yup Jul 11 18:11:03 nice to spot it though.... Jul 11 18:12:16 GeneralAntilles: I have asked Ferenc to install it. Jul 11 18:15:18 GeneralAntilles, sometimes I ask myself how you do it to keep your cool towards such trolls Jul 11 18:15:34 anyway, food time, cheers Jul 11 18:15:38 crashanddie_, when I don't keep my cool it ends badly. ;) Jul 11 18:15:47 You should see some of the epic threads technut and I had. Jul 11 18:16:33 Heh. Even when you do keep cool, GeneralAntilles, they all too often take offense. Jul 11 18:16:53 There's no winning either way. ;) Jul 11 18:17:43 Anybody knows why Nokia's volume statusbar applet does not allow to set the volume to max? Jul 11 18:18:02 With aumix-gtk you can set about 7% louder volume Jul 11 18:18:09 zap - mine works well. it goes all the way to 11 Jul 11 18:18:16 yours == ? Jul 11 18:18:18 12 Jul 11 18:18:25 12 levels? Jul 11 18:18:33 spinal tap reference Jul 11 18:18:33 heh Jul 11 18:18:38 Ah, CSS rendering bugs. Jul 11 18:18:52 zap, read up about spinal tap and amplifiers Jul 11 18:18:56 Will they ever get it right? <_< Jul 11 18:19:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaD9v460yI Jul 11 18:19:30 lcuk: I don't get it Jul 11 18:19:36 watch that then Jul 11 18:19:46 Does anyone have any experience with the gps actually working? even with agps is seems like it takes forever to lock Jul 11 18:20:03 is there a way to use a cell phone for agps location finding? Jul 11 18:20:17 summatusmentis, where abouts are you in the world Jul 11 18:20:28 lcuk: currently? or in general? Jul 11 18:20:33 and what sort of city do you live in and how long does it take to lock Jul 11 18:20:40 I'm in the US, roughly the midwest right now Jul 11 18:20:40 in general Jul 11 18:21:03 watched the joke, and still I don't get why Nokia's volume control goes up to 10, while aumix gives you the whole 12 :) Jul 11 18:21:06 summatusmentis: Did you install agps-ui? Jul 11 18:21:24 when I tried it in Maine(where I'm at in the summer), I'm in a rural area, and it took 10+ minutes Jul 11 18:21:27 X-Fade: yes Jul 11 18:21:31 I have high-impendance headsets, thats why I need more Jul 11 18:21:45 summatusmentis: Then how could you miss the cellphone option ;) Jul 11 18:22:32 X-Fade: seriously? Where? Jul 11 18:22:43 in agps settings Jul 11 18:23:03 zap, not sure - different software stacks originally. is aumix a standard 8x0 component? Jul 11 18:23:11 summatusmentis: settings-> 'Allow packet data' and set your connection to your phone. Jul 11 18:23:16 of course not, it's an ALSA mixer Jul 11 18:23:26 then thats why one has 12 and the other 10 Jul 11 18:23:33 it just shows you what's exposed through ALSA interface Jul 11 18:23:43 as for high impedence, you might need a line amp or something Jul 11 18:23:47 X-Fade: I assume my phone would need to be connected via bt or some such thing for the connection to be showing up? Jul 11 18:24:02 summatusmentis: Sure, how else ;) Jul 11 18:24:03 lcuk: well they don't have THAT much impendance :) Jul 11 18:24:15 but I'd prefer them a little louder, esp. in metro Jul 11 18:24:46 but if the maximum available volume is not enough for you and you have everything at maximum then i dont see what else you can do other than try alternative headphones Jul 11 18:25:00 X-Fade: I'm not getting my phone to show up Jul 11 18:25:05 lcuk: with aumix I get enough volume Jul 11 18:25:27 summatusmentis: Can you connect to the internet via your phone? Jul 11 18:25:55 X-Fade: yes Jul 11 18:26:02 summatusmentis: What do you see in settings inside a-gps beta? Jul 11 18:27:07 A-GPS support: [box] \n Allow Packetdata: [box] \n Preferred connection: [drop menu] Jul 11 18:27:28 summatusmentis: Well, select your connection for your phone and done ;) Jul 11 18:28:23 summatusmentis: Oh, don't tell me. You are using a phone that uses PAN. Jul 11 18:28:28 X-Fade: the connection box is small, and doesn't actually drop down to anything? Jul 11 18:28:32 no, DUN Jul 11 18:29:05 summatusmentis: Is your phone connection available in the global connectivity settings? Jul 11 18:29:43 summatusmentis: And does it have this phone icon with the 3 arcs abljt Jul 11 18:29:46 yes Jul 11 18:29:50 *above it.. Jul 11 18:31:46 back later - GeneralAntilles thanks ill speak later Jul 11 18:32:12 summatusmentis: I see my 3 connections for my 3 simcards in agps-ui without problems. Jul 11 18:32:35 X-Fade: is it possble my CDMA phone is the issue? Jul 11 18:32:48 summatusmentis: Did you create the phone connections with the wizard? Or manually? Jul 11 18:32:54 lcuk, think I fixed it Jul 11 18:32:56 See yah. Jul 11 18:33:18 X-Fade: w/ the wizard Jul 11 18:33:27 summatusmentis: Same here ;) Jul 11 18:33:39 summatusmentis: Well, then I'm out of options.. Jul 11 18:34:01 summatusmentis: You did reboot at least once after install, right? Jul 11 18:34:21 of a-gps-ui? I'm sure I have Jul 11 18:34:54 yep Jul 11 18:35:29 X-Fade, for the change log character limit, how does 1200 sound? Jul 11 18:35:39 GeneralAntilles: Insane? Jul 11 18:35:45 Really? Jul 11 18:36:06 GeneralAntilles: What about: :) Jul 11 18:36:10 I'm thinking 400 sounds insane. :P Jul 11 18:36:23 OK, 800? Jul 11 18:36:51 GeneralAntilles: I want to prevent somebody adding 20 lines or more? Jul 11 18:37:08 OK, well, this is right on the edge of 400: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Jul 11 18:37:11 Twice that wont hurt anybody Jul 11 18:37:20 I'm not sure if it will clutter it more.. Jul 11 18:37:45 Could you bounce the "Links" section over to the side, maybe? Jul 11 18:37:59 There's a lot of whitespace available on the right. Jul 11 18:38:08 Yeah, true. That list isn't that long ;) Jul 11 18:38:54 * GeneralAntilles should probably change the screenshot ordering. Jul 11 18:39:04 GeneralAntilles: Good luck ;) Jul 11 18:39:33 When are the server upgrades coming again? <_< :P Jul 11 18:40:11 * X-Fade pokes GeneralAntilles with a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very sharp stick ;) Jul 11 18:40:45 Stupid Finnish holidays. Jul 11 18:41:02 GeneralAntilles: 800 it is now. Jul 11 18:41:11 Thanks Jul 11 18:41:15 GeneralAntilles: Try that ;) Jul 11 18:41:35 GeneralAntilles: We can always increase the number when we see problems. Jul 11 18:43:26 ~lart Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. Jul 11 18:43:26 * infobot smacks Midgard's stupid floating toolbar. up side the head with a clue-by-4 Jul 11 18:44:10 lcuk: mail? Jul 11 18:45:11 Ok, I'm out of here.. Have a good weekend ;) Jul 11 18:45:22 Bye, X-Fade. Jul 11 18:46:28 Ah, advanced backlight changes volume as well Jul 11 18:46:42 must try it, maybe it also allows volume up to eleven Jul 11 18:50:58 zap: if not, it should be possible to implement this. Jul 11 18:51:34 maybe tell us what you did to maximize it in particular Jul 11 18:52:22 python2.5 buildpackage --source-only Jul 11 18:52:24 oups ww Jul 11 18:54:31 jott: what audio interface are you using to set the volume? Jul 11 18:54:51 gstreamer or alsa or oss? Jul 11 18:56:18 zap: currently gconf Jul 11 18:56:26 aha Jul 11 18:56:46 perhaps this is a limitation of whatever daemon reads the setting then Jul 11 18:56:53 i guess so Jul 11 18:57:06 or perhaps you can set it more than 12 in gconf, and it'll work, this has to be tried Jul 11 18:57:07 but we could still work around this ;) Jul 11 18:57:14 python2.5 --auto-upload-source Jul 11 18:57:20 arg ... Jul 11 18:57:24 sorry Jul 11 18:57:54 yes, max in advanced backlight control is still 93 in aumix Jul 11 18:58:05 zap: yeah you can just set it /apps/osso/sound/master_volume Jul 11 18:58:14 * zap installs gconf Jul 11 18:58:22 maybe try to set it via gconftool-2 and tell us if it works Jul 11 18:58:54 oops, no gconf-editor for diablo Jul 11 18:59:07 sure Jul 11 18:59:10 gconftool-2 :) Jul 11 18:59:23 tui not gui ;) Jul 11 19:00:18 cli not tui :) Jul 11 19:00:59 yeah Jul 11 19:01:02 you are right ;) Jul 11 19:01:12 well spartanic tui :P Jul 11 19:01:34 alas, 100 is still 93 Jul 11 19:01:35 Just pull the one from Chinook. . . . Jul 11 19:01:41 set it to 120% ? Jul 11 19:01:43 and 110 is still 93 Jul 11 19:01:48 mh Jul 11 19:01:48 and 200 is 93 as well :) Jul 11 19:01:49 ok Jul 11 19:01:51 hehe Jul 11 19:01:58 what daemon is reading it? Jul 11 19:02:03 good question Jul 11 19:02:22 it's either intentional, or a bug Jul 11 19:03:22 would be nice if you could find out what polls the gconf value :) Jul 11 19:03:40 hehe :) I'll try Jul 11 19:03:48 btw, screen rotation has no penalty? Jul 11 19:04:02 it's multimediad Jul 11 19:04:20 not really, no. some dialogs are broken when rotated Jul 11 19:04:47 but other than that there are no known side-effects afaik.. Jul 11 19:04:51 Skype is, awesomely, hardcoded for 800x480 Jul 11 19:04:51 ah, so it's software rotation? Jul 11 19:05:05 no it's hardware rotation Jul 11 19:05:09 * zap wonders how one could hardcode resolution with gtk Jul 11 19:05:21 zap, dunno, talk to the Skype guys. :D Jul 11 19:05:25 :)) Jul 11 19:05:27 but some apps/dialogs are just... well broken ;) Jul 11 19:05:37 The Application menu is broken. Jul 11 19:05:38 too large? Jul 11 19:05:50 Width is frequently more than 480px Jul 11 19:06:00 I see Jul 11 19:06:05 just give it a try.. it has some nice use cases ;) Jul 11 19:06:11 So the right side of the dialog/menu/whatever is off the screen. Jul 11 19:06:54 what about SDL apps? Jul 11 19:07:12 sdl apps will think it's a 480x800 display Jul 11 19:07:17 cool Jul 11 19:08:19 * jott starts fighting gtk theme drawing internals again... Jul 11 19:09:49 jott, hey wanna take a look on the new theme for the advanced applet? Jul 11 19:10:22 sure Jul 11 19:10:35 Unfortunately, no source for multimediad Jul 11 19:11:01 and it's not even in maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries-4.1 Jul 11 19:11:02 jott, screenshot or the theme itself? Jul 11 19:11:12 qos: both is fine i guess Jul 11 19:11:33 jott, this will take a moment Jul 11 19:11:33 zap: !#*$% Jul 11 19:11:48 jott, whats your email? Jul 11 19:12:36 pm Jul 11 19:17:16 multimediad sets volume through /dev/dsptask/audiopp Jul 11 19:17:47 ah interesting Jul 11 19:19:29 Hi ! Jul 11 19:23:00 How time does it take after an upload to the extra builder after an upload extras-assistant to see a result in the mailing list extras-cauldron-builds ? Jul 11 19:23:17 30-minutes-ish, maybe? Jul 11 19:24:31 khertan: usually a few minutes if everything's working well. There'll be a folder created in the output dir as soon as it starts being processed Jul 11 19:24:42 * Jaffa has never had it take 30 mins unless something was broken. Jul 11 19:24:52 ok thx Jul 11 19:32:39 W: homeip: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/lib/hildon-desktop/homeip.py Jul 11 19:32:39 W: homeip: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate Jul 11 19:32:39 W: homeip: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly Jul 11 19:32:39 E: homeip: extended-description-is-empty Jul 11 19:32:39 W: homeip: new-package-should-close-itp-bug Jul 11 19:32:44 oups wrong windows Jul 11 19:36:13 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11campaign.html?hp Jul 11 19:36:14 Hehe Jul 11 19:44:10 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001088.html Jul 11 19:44:15 First step out ! Jul 11 19:44:16 :) Jul 11 19:46:52 hmmh, something wrong with this skype. My friend can hear me but I can't hear him, when he's calling. When I'm calling, he answers the call but for me it's still just displaying "calling.. *ring ring*" or so :) Jul 11 19:46:58 khertan: cool, will the new version have a transparent option? :-)) Jul 11 19:47:16 transparent option Jul 11 19:47:24 hey it s HomeIP ... Jul 11 19:47:27 not IPHome :) Jul 11 19:47:39 ah :) Jul 11 19:47:42 HomeIP have still the start transparency :) Jul 11 19:49:12 hum update of maemo-wordpy and it s delete again config file... arg Jul 11 19:49:13 arfg Jul 11 19:50:29 hey khertan, sorry for it :) Jul 11 19:50:34 it's the last time Jul 11 19:53:24 what repository should I use to install canola2 using diablo? Jul 11 19:54:11 Chinook Extras Jul 11 19:54:22 Though it'll probably be in real Extras in a week or so. Jul 11 19:54:27 s/realy/Diablo/ Jul 11 19:55:22 GeneralAntilles: there is a problem with the package I installed, in that it didn't have text,icons menus etc. totally broken is this to be expected in one of the repos.? Jul 11 19:55:37 Uh, I think it's from pulling something out of a development repo Jul 11 19:55:41 Probably from Extra-devel. Jul 11 19:56:25 You could probably do a Canola-clean, disable Extras-devel, reinstall from Chinook Extras and reenable Extras-devel. Jul 11 19:56:41 Ok, will look at what repos. I'm actually using and go with your advice, this is good to hear and I'll try this Jul 11 19:56:48 yerga: hum you are the dev ? Jul 11 19:56:58 do u use a sqllite db ? Jul 11 19:57:07 to store prefs ? Jul 11 19:57:08 GeneralAntilles: blimey - ITT has an RDF like Steve Jobs: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201353#post201353 Jul 11 19:57:47 garage.maemo.org is down ? or does there is a limit to use extra-assistant ( :) ) ? Jul 11 19:58:42 Jaffa, sarcasm alert. :P Jul 11 19:58:48 khertan, yes I am, it uses the configparser module not sqlite Jul 11 19:58:59 ah ok ... never use it ;) Jul 11 19:59:02 but next version it will use gconf Jul 11 19:59:17 GeneralAntilles: fair enuf, I am knackered :-) Jul 11 19:59:48 Hehe Jul 11 19:59:56 Don't code drunk. Jul 11 20:00:11 never use it too :) Jul 11 20:00:33 i store prefs in sqlite db when i use one :) Jul 11 20:00:49 or worse a serialized python object ;à Jul 11 20:00:51 ;) Jul 11 20:01:21 gconf remember me windows registry .... Jul 11 20:01:28 this horrible registry Jul 11 20:09:37 bye Jul 11 20:13:27 * Jaffa TVs Jul 11 20:35:17 maemo.org seems to be dieing. Very slow connection and timeouts for me Jul 11 20:35:55 JamieBennett, maemo.org has been slow for the last year. :P Jul 11 20:36:12 GeneralAntilles: only the last year ;) Jul 11 20:37:27 Server upgrades are imminent. . . . Jul 11 20:37:35 Be sure to bug X-Fade about them. :D Jul 11 20:37:36 lets hope so Jul 11 20:37:43 No, really. Jul 11 20:37:45 Next month or so Jul 11 20:37:52 Whenever the Finns get back from vacation. Jul 11 20:38:15 ah good, maemo.org is a pig to navigate at times Jul 11 20:38:50 Hi there Jul 11 20:38:52 hi jott! Jul 11 20:53:56 hello GNUton Jul 11 20:54:06 hey jott:) Jul 11 20:54:24 jott: how are you? Jul 11 20:54:38 just made some food.. and still playing around with QGtkStyle ;) Jul 11 20:55:20 :) great I´m in my bad.. I´m very tired.. but I read your mail... Jul 11 20:55:29 yeah just read your reply Jul 11 20:55:43 any comments on this: http://code.google.com/p/qgtkstyle/issues/detail?id=40 Jul 11 20:55:49 regarding MAEMO_CHANGES ? Jul 11 20:56:48 does anyone else think that the chess game is a bit too hard in easy mode? ;) Jul 11 20:56:55 no I´m thinking how can be resolved the problem of the light.. Jul 11 20:57:08 is there a super easy mode somehow, for those who have played only some years? Jul 11 20:57:52 GNUton: one way would introduce MAEMO_CHANGES in QGtkStyle ;) Jul 11 20:58:24 not sure what jens thinks about this.. Jul 11 20:58:47 i'm from berlin/germany btw ;) Jul 11 20:59:00 GNUton: will you be at the summit? Jul 11 20:59:35 would be a nice place/time to show the state of qt4 on maemo.. Jul 11 20:59:36 I don´t know yet, probably.. Jul 11 21:00:47 jott: ok :) Jul 11 21:01:32 there are a lot of german guy... wherever! Jul 11 21:01:35 :) Jul 11 21:01:51 guys Jul 11 21:03:23 GNUton: have you any plans for the right mouse button? Jul 11 21:03:58 no, I haven´t yet. Jul 11 21:04:19 And you? Jul 11 21:06:14 GNUton: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3540 you probably have seen this, right? Jul 11 21:07:11 jott: Yes, I know! :) Jul 11 21:07:25 might be worth to collaborate Jul 11 21:08:26 haven't looked at the code.. seems to be deep in his gsoc branch :P Jul 11 21:10:13 but having this on qt and not kdelibs layer would be benefitial.. Jul 11 21:10:30 Basically his hack works like he hildon RMB. Jul 11 21:10:39 yeah.. Jul 11 21:10:57 By the way it doesn´t seems so hard to code.. Jul 11 21:11:29 well there are some possible glitches, but in the end it should be just a few lines of code.. Jul 11 21:12:24 interestingly enough that's how macs have done it for years Jul 11 21:12:36 (well, that and control-clicking) Jul 11 21:14:04 you have to be creative if you only have one mouse button ;) Jul 11 21:14:22 Hehe Jul 11 21:14:30 Thankfully they ship a slightly less retarded mouse these days. Jul 11 21:14:55 Though I only know one Apple user who actually uses an Apple mouse at the moment. . . . Jul 11 21:15:15 probably because the name just scares people away ;) Jul 11 21:16:13 yeah, the mighty mouse isn't great, two-finger touchpad scrolling is pretty close to genius though Jul 11 21:17:01 The scrolling nipple might be OK if it could be cleaned. Jul 11 21:17:16 But the capacitive right-click is just awful. Jul 11 21:17:36 gen, just have a bath if your nipple needs cleaning Jul 11 21:17:41 three-finger swiping for forward/back is pretty awesome, too. Jul 11 21:17:45 lcuk, reload. Jul 11 21:17:46 but i would generally recommending not letting your pets suckle Jul 11 21:17:49 It gained more awesome. Jul 11 21:18:31 awesome++ the left hand side tabbed look is bang on :D Jul 11 21:18:44 It was actually surprisingly easy to fix Jul 11 21:18:50 Though I don't know what I really did. Jul 11 21:18:56 i wouldnt have been able to explain how it shouldv been, but you got it niiiiiiiiiice Jul 11 21:19:07 you know what, 'fit to screen width' is necessary, when you zoom in, you don't want to scroll left and right each lines Jul 11 21:19:30 gourdin, code up a patch to make it not suck. Jul 11 21:20:08 the missus is just asking, but can someone give me one word that you think of when i say "Darius" Jul 11 21:20:23 crazy. Jul 11 21:20:43 GeneralAntilles: ho, yeah Jul 11 21:20:48 hmmm Jul 11 21:20:58 ok Jul 11 21:21:17 great Jul 11 21:21:40 lcuk, reload again. Jul 11 21:21:44 lcuk aminazin Jul 11 21:22:26 omg the word screenshots doesnt fit! Jul 11 21:22:40 RST38h, aminazin - is that for darius or the web Jul 11 21:22:42 Really? Jul 11 21:22:45 Fits here Jul 11 21:22:46 or my typos Jul 11 21:22:47 Interesting Jul 11 21:22:52 remember, big fonts Jul 11 21:22:55 lcuk: for darius of course Jul 11 21:23:54 anybody knows if osso-xterm can be configured from command line? Jul 11 21:24:00 GeneralAntilles: you give a pretty bad image Jul 11 21:24:15 hmmmmm 'you know where it says "awesome slogan here" it should say "f**kin fed up of seeing it". ' Jul 11 21:24:17 Yeah, I'm a terrible evil person. I know. Jul 11 21:24:26 or maybe there are some per-window settings that can be applied? Jul 11 21:24:27 lcuk, how about now? Jul 11 21:24:37 (svn commit only took 45 seconds) Jul 11 21:24:44 GeneralAntilles: yeah, i think so Jul 11 21:24:55 Then we're in agreement, excellent! Jul 11 21:24:58 ahhh it fits and when scrolled, i think i should go though, the missus really does look grumpy tonight, cyas later Jul 11 21:25:01 ga: eat another kitten and rejoice Jul 11 21:25:01 yes Jul 11 21:25:21 Damn him. Jul 11 21:25:25 I want content now! Jul 11 21:25:36 RST38h: there are some gconf settings for it. Jul 11 21:25:57 jott: but they are global, right? Jul 11 21:26:25 yes Jul 11 21:26:26 GeneralAntilles: hmmm, almost Jul 11 21:27:51 too bad Jul 11 21:27:56 GeneralAntilles: when i say : the fit thing is usefull for some people, i'm not attacking you, you know that, don't you ? Jul 11 21:29:12 you take everything so personaly, perhaps a missunderstanding.. don't know Jul 11 21:29:20 garage is so damn unusable atm.. Jul 11 21:29:32 I'm just really bored with people that just come around to bitch and moan. :) Jul 11 21:30:26 GeneralAntilles: why people bitch and moan ? Jul 11 21:31:15 gourdin: because they are not getting enough mood altering drugs of course Jul 11 21:31:29 RST38h: :)) Jul 11 21:32:47 * RST38h mentally thanks Pidgin developers for a new Maemo version Jul 11 21:35:14 perhpas this is not the right place to ask for tech support on n8x0 ? Jul 11 21:37:16 what was your question anyway? Jul 11 21:37:54 GeneralAntilles suggested I use the 'internet call' app. rather than gizmo to use sip phone but I've created an account and am having difficulties connecting to the server Jul 11 21:37:57 this way Jul 11 21:38:11 through gizmo it works, but it is a very nasty interface - imo Jul 11 21:39:09 can I use @gizmo5.com or something else, also does anyone know if I have to connect through a special port? Jul 11 21:39:16 ok. so what is your problem with ga? Jul 11 21:39:46 you like gizmo better - use gizmo, there is nothing wrong with that Jul 11 21:40:02 no I dislike gizmo's app. quite a lot Jul 11 21:40:18 yigal, @proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 11 21:40:26 ok, so you dislike both apps? Jul 11 21:40:36 Then tap Advanced Jul 11 21:40:50 back Jul 11 21:40:50 no I very much enjoy the simplicity of 'internet call' Jul 11 21:41:11 so use internet call Jul 11 21:41:28 RST38h, he needs the right settings. Jul 11 21:42:01 RST38h: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough Jul 11 21:42:17 google. somebody must have hit this problem before. Jul 11 21:42:29 I'm explaining it right now. :P Jul 11 21:42:35 yigal, edit the account Jul 11 21:42:41 yigal, when I configured my SIP account (not gizmo, my ISP's), I noticed that too much information basically borked it. Jul 11 21:42:47 re Jul 11 21:42:48 yigal, go light on the info Jul 11 21:42:56 lol Jul 11 21:43:04 Or just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do. :P Jul 11 21:43:11 or that Jul 11 21:43:55 GeneralAntilles: that is what I have learned to do, "just listen to what I'm going to tell you to do" it's worked so far :) Jul 11 21:44:18 Tap the presence applet Jul 11 21:44:25 Tap Account settings Jul 11 21:44:36 Select your Gizmo account, click edit. Jul 11 21:44:52 @proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 11 21:44:55 GeneralAntilles: it's working now Jul 11 21:44:58 Oh? Jul 11 21:45:01 GeneralAntilles: I read it the 1st time Jul 11 21:45:05 GeneralAntilles: thanks Jul 11 21:45:06 Ah Jul 11 21:45:07 Good Jul 11 21:45:11 Didn't get a confirmation. :P Jul 11 21:45:28 GeneralAntilles: was trying to confirm if it worked, just did Jul 11 21:45:30 it does Jul 11 21:46:33 can I delete the gizmo app. or is it useful for anything? Jul 11 21:47:19 You can delete it Jul 11 21:47:25 It provides video calling, I suppose Jul 11 21:47:28 But that'd be it. Jul 11 21:47:30 Yay :) Jul 11 21:50:49 what was the issue with XTerm wrt dyntick? Jul 11 21:51:28 there was something that meant/s if you leave an xterm open overnight it kills the battery Jul 11 21:51:51 just trying to add proof to my vague recollection Jul 11 21:53:16 it's Friday, why am I so tired? Jul 11 21:53:37 you too, eh? :( Jul 11 21:54:29 yeah, Holly's already asleep; must be all the rain, going back to hibernation mode Jul 11 21:55:06 xchat for maemo is nice!! Jul 11 21:56:33 test: im still too slow with the stylus however Jul 11 21:57:04 Stylus sucks! Jul 11 21:57:10 finger keyboard is the way to do it. Jul 11 21:57:36 umm, ok, will try it next time :) Jul 11 21:57:55 GeneralAntilles: you about Jul 11 21:58:08 qwerty12_N800: going to see you in Berlin then? Jul 11 21:58:30 qwerty12_N800: I'm sure a man of your talents could manage a fake passport (age) ;) Jul 11 21:58:33 lardman, pong. :P Jul 11 21:58:44 GeneralAntilles: same question to you! Jul 11 21:58:57 Highly unlikely. Jul 11 21:59:06 :( Jul 11 21:59:10 Unless something changes significantly in the next week or so and I can get sponsorship. Jul 11 21:59:40 2 separate problems or one and the same? Jul 11 22:00:00 Well, I'm up in the air on a family reunion that either that weekend or the next. Jul 11 22:00:17 Don't find out about that until probably the end of this month. Jul 11 22:00:25 lardman, I'm taking it you're going ? Jul 11 22:00:28 Don't want to take a sponsorship slot if I can't actually go Jul 11 22:00:35 crashanddie: yes, all confirmed Jul 11 22:00:38 [djeezus I'm irritated when I don't have something to smoke] Jul 11 22:00:44 and there's no way I can swing a $1500-$2200 plane ticket without sponsorship. ;) Jul 11 22:00:52 crashanddie: Going to be talking about DSP programming, something like that anywya Jul 11 22:01:22 GeneralAntilles: There is sponsorship available, you just need to confirm asap Jul 11 22:01:28 Is it really that dear? Jul 11 22:01:38 expensive that is Jul 11 22:01:43 Yes Jul 11 22:01:50 lardman, cool, I look forward to hearing what you have so say :) Jul 11 22:01:51 Confirming ASAP isn't gonna happen. ;) Jul 11 22:02:08 s/so/to Jul 11 22:02:23 crashanddie: me too ;) Jul 11 22:02:32 GeneralAntilles: :S Jul 11 22:02:46 The next Maemo summit. ;) Jul 11 22:03:05 :) good good Jul 11 22:03:19 GeneralAntilles, if I have a job, and you don't get nokia subvention for the next summit Jul 11 22:03:25 GeneralAntilles, I'll pay for the ticket myself Jul 11 22:03:27 anyone have a copy of syncevoltuion that works in OS2008? Jul 11 22:03:39 lol Jul 11 22:03:44 That would be quite the donation. Jul 11 22:04:51 ~£500 atm from Bristol->Florida Jul 11 22:05:26 lardman, ~£500 still converts to USD 2.3M Jul 11 22:05:33 given the current currency Jul 11 22:05:49 crashanddie: glad to hear it as I'm in Chicago week after next :) Jul 11 22:05:55 lardman, :D Jul 11 22:06:14 I'll take 15p and live like a king! ;) Jul 11 22:06:34 lardman: iphone 3g! Jul 11 22:06:57 RST38bis: can you change the network they are on? Jul 11 22:07:05 nope, still simlocked Jul 11 22:07:12 and you have to activate the phone in the shop Jul 11 22:07:22 hmm, will need a very strong signal to work back home then :) Jul 11 22:07:39 no, but you are not buying it to use it are you? =) Jul 11 22:07:39 * lardman starts saving Pringles tubes Jul 11 22:08:02 or see if at&t do really long roaming Jul 11 22:08:04 RST38bis: gf already has an ipod touch, so seen it all, etc., Jul 11 22:08:18 it is an object d'art! Jul 11 22:08:27 qwerty12-N800: don't you accidentally get charged £20k for that?! Jul 11 22:08:49 something like that :p Jul 11 22:08:55 RST38bis: agreed, it's very snazzy; lots of thoughts for the ITs Jul 11 22:09:36 Ya know if AT&T had decent data plan rates, I might have gotten an iPhone instead of my n810. Now I have to figure out how to pay for AT&T in Alaska..urgh. Jul 11 22:10:03 thought 1: nokia should hire steve jobs Jul 11 22:10:24 RST38bis: Not Jobs, just his UI designers.. Jul 11 22:10:36 isn't alascom att now? Jul 11 22:11:30 ui designers are useless if told to design around crappy paradigm Jul 11 22:11:39 qwerty12-N800, I almost cracked the map repository Jul 11 22:11:51 hmm, after my masterplan to save array dimensions in the first array element I realise I need to have 2D arrays :( Jul 11 22:12:12 crashanddie, what's wrong? Jul 11 22:12:30 qwerty12-N800, the version of the map Jul 11 22:12:38 qwerty12-N800, I don't know how the software knows which version to take Jul 11 22:14:25 Ignore the retarded filler content: http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html Jul 11 22:14:35 Comments? Suggestions? Jul 11 22:14:36 crashanddie, :/, I'll see if i can upload an maps folder tomorrow. Jul 11 22:15:06 GA: what are we commenting on exactly? Jul 11 22:15:14 The website Jul 11 22:15:32 oh, design? Its good an simple. Jul 11 22:15:35 Easy to read. Jul 11 22:15:39 qwerty12-N800, no need Jul 11 22:15:43 very snazzy, except the links don't do anything Jul 11 22:16:05 home=about* Jul 11 22:16:09 qwerty12-N800, I cracked the whole sequence, from getting the map list, to getting the list of files to download, to downloading each file Jul 11 22:16:10 Yeah, filler content. ;) Jul 11 22:16:16 ok :) Jul 11 22:16:17 The links work, the pages are just mostly all the same. Jul 11 22:16:23 ah, right Jul 11 22:16:25 qwerty12-N800, there's just one info that is still opaque, gimme a minute, gotta take care of something Jul 11 22:17:08 crashanddie, heh nice work. dunno why navicore are so secretive about it. Jul 11 22:17:20 I get a little lag which switching tabs in FF 3.0/ openSuse Jul 11 22:20:01 Dunno, Medic119. Maybe Garage slowness? There only thing interesting going on is the embedded YouTube video on the screenshots page Jul 11 22:20:26 Ah, crap, the navbar alignment is messed up in Firefox again. . . . Jul 11 22:20:35 ~lart buggy CSS rendering engines Jul 11 22:20:35 * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at buggy CSS rendering engines Jul 11 22:20:48 Dunno. Switching between tabs took just long enough to notice. It loading everything up before making the switch? Jul 11 22:21:26 Does it take long to switch after you've loaded the page and it's in the cache? Jul 11 22:21:38 i.e., switch back and forth between two tabs a couple times. Jul 11 22:23:02 It takes about a second to swap tabs, but it may be garage at the moment as it took it a few seconds to even come up this time. Jul 11 22:23:41 Ugh, FF3 is so ridiculously slow on PPC. Jul 11 22:23:59 you're on PPC? sad Jul 11 22:24:01 Now that is damn weird Jul 11 22:24:13 FF3 renders the same page differently locally and on the server. Jul 11 22:24:19 svn is in sync. . . . Jul 11 22:24:21 wtf Jul 11 22:24:23 lol.. I am on a Core2 Machine and 64 bit linux. I am still going pretty sweet, but FF is buggy with video right now Jul 11 22:24:42 summatusmentis, my dual G5 kicks your ass. ;) Jul 11 22:24:46 bah, 64bit is a pita Jul 11 22:25:06 When I built my site, I noticed FF tended to keep things in the cache and wouldn't update, even if told to do so. I had to manually flush between test updates locally. Jul 11 22:25:07 It's always Firefox that breaks on my websites. . . . Jul 11 22:25:08 GeneralAntilles: I'd rather have my core2 duo, thanks Jul 11 22:25:13 qwerty12-N800, this is the full discussion between Map and the servers: http://slexy.org/raw/s20cyQHDp9 Jul 11 22:25:14 I don't like flash, but unfortunately some websites to, it was a real pain to get working Jul 11 22:25:43 64bit openSuse is pretty stable now. I went back to 32 bit on 10.3 because too much was not there, but I haven't had any issues with 11.0 yet Jul 11 22:25:55 So, how many pixels wide is the border between the navbar and the content on here in FF3? http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/index.html Jul 11 22:25:56 Two? Jul 11 22:26:05 Medic119: working ff plugins? Jul 11 22:26:21 people use openSuse? Jul 11 22:26:28 See I design for FF and maneuver for Safari/Gecko, and then I *might* add some call for IE if I feel like it. I got tired of IE crap. Jul 11 22:26:44 So far everything seems to be working fine lardman. Jul 11 22:27:05 toodles all Jul 11 22:27:11 Medic119: things have moved on since I last tried then :) Jul 11 22:27:17 I switched from Fedora to openSuse (via Ubuntu) because the hardware was easier to deal with in Opensuse of all things Jul 11 22:27:18 night summatusmentis Jul 11 22:27:41 lardman: in 10.3 I had to downgrade to 32-bit cause half what I needed didn't work in 64 bit Jul 11 22:27:48 * lardman went from Mandrake to Ubuntu Jul 11 22:27:59 qwerty12-N800, the other interesting part is when it gets the "component list" http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 Jul 11 22:28:08 Er, Medic119, you design for Firefox yet maneuver for Gecko? :P Jul 11 22:28:31 Somebody want to tell me how that border renders in FF3 since my copy is retarded? Jul 11 22:28:41 yea, get it all to work in FF, then make subtle changes for Safari, et al. I know they have the same base, but they don't all reander exactly the same Jul 11 22:28:51 Safari uses Gecko? Jul 11 22:28:58 :P Jul 11 22:29:08 (hint, Firefox is Gecko, Safari is WebKit) ;) Jul 11 22:29:22 It was based on Gecko was it not? It was supposed to be a FF child. Jul 11 22:29:27 No. Jul 11 22:29:30 You're confused. Jul 11 22:29:35 Must be. Jul 11 22:29:37 WebKit is based on KHTML Jul 11 22:29:42 Anyway, your borders look fine here. Jul 11 22:29:49 Weird Jul 11 22:29:55 qwerty12-N800, and I'm still trying to understand what this conversation is about: http://slexy.org/view/s2Pgdob7ud (this is the very first action in the whole map retrieval process) Jul 11 22:30:22 there is no outside border on the big tabs, but neither is there one around the whole page. Jul 11 22:31:17 There is no padding around screenshots either. Jul 11 22:31:30 crashanddie, i wish i knew :(.. seems like maybe it's authenicating itself Jul 11 22:32:01 I don't know honestly Jul 11 22:32:02 FYI, there are other gecko browsers that aren't FF, but are based on Gecko (Konqueror comes to mind) Jul 11 22:33:19 GeneralAntilles, you wouldn't have a bright idea how to decrypt all this mess ? Jul 11 22:33:24 hmmf. I have a weird bug with maemo mapper. Jul 11 22:33:26 crashanddie, no. Jul 11 22:33:30 lcuk, back already? Jul 11 22:33:35 out.. later. Jul 11 22:33:36 yes :D Jul 11 22:33:38 My maps does not want to align. Jul 11 22:34:09 !NC#0211aaeCe/P3leRilW98xM4XjkrtHowzhRZJPCtjSFG1epg/KRNSyA1xCNgocVa2uAmXOkGxr/Vc5NcJ1smBl6b Jul 11 22:34:28 what kind of encryption/string modification would produce this ? Jul 11 22:34:37 crashanddiehaveyoufallenasleeponyourkeyboard Jul 11 22:35:04 whats the original and i could tell you, otherwise: its encrypted so how should we know? Jul 11 22:35:20 <_< Jul 11 22:35:34 actually, it just looks formatted Jul 11 22:35:41 yeah, encoded Jul 11 22:35:46 got any other examples Jul 11 22:36:13 if so, get them all in a big long list in pastebin Jul 11 22:36:31 lcuk, some encryptions create special cipher texts... he asks for that Jul 11 22:38:07 lcuk, yeah, I can get a few other examples Jul 11 22:38:30 crash, are they all the same length and similar formatting Jul 11 22:38:40 who wants a beer btw? Jul 11 22:38:46 me, pls Jul 11 22:38:54 lcuk, i take 2 Jul 11 22:38:59 via email or ssh? Jul 11 22:39:08 lcuk, reload and click About. Jul 11 22:39:10 give me the link ... Jul 11 22:39:11 Few minor changes. Jul 11 22:39:13 rsync, here Jul 11 22:39:23 wget.. bget? Jul 11 22:39:46 lcuk, I'll take one too Jul 11 22:39:51 lcuk, I'm out of my main drug Jul 11 22:39:54 lcuk, nicotine :( Jul 11 22:40:06 mmmm, beer Jul 11 22:40:21 crashanddie, i didn't smoked a cigarette for 2 days now :D Jul 11 22:40:30 GeneralAntilles, that is about the most awesome thing in a book of awesomeness that ive ever seen. even awesome-o thinks its cool :D Jul 11 22:40:38 i actually really like that Jul 11 22:40:54 crashanddie, find novel things to build cigs out of Jul 11 22:41:04 It's an idea that I had sort of half-implemented in the original. Jul 11 22:41:11 i think i will stop thinking about that and goto bed ... Jul 11 22:41:19 Thank Jaffa for the inspiration for that particular implementation. Jul 11 22:41:47 what is awesome? Jul 11 22:42:03 I'm off to bed too, night chaps Jul 11 22:42:07 cheers lardman Jul 11 22:42:07 gnite lardman Jul 11 22:42:09 night... Jul 11 22:42:14 * lcuk does quickdraw Jul 11 22:43:17 dunno if i can tell you pupnik. this is GeneralAntilles's conception Jul 11 22:44:21 i havent had my 810 on all night Jul 11 22:44:36 I shared it in the channel 20 minutes ago. ;) Jul 11 22:44:50 welp, off to seattle.. ttyl, internets!! Jul 11 22:44:55 Now get me some content so I can actually get rolling. :P Jul 11 22:45:15 alrighty lol Jul 11 22:45:22 Actually, where's that outline from LinuxTag? Jul 11 22:45:25 That'd be a decent start. Jul 11 22:45:44 http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes Jul 11 22:45:57 but thats awfullo Jul 11 22:46:06 or is it Jul 11 22:46:20 hmmm, for the about thing Jul 11 22:46:22 Revise that slightly to change it from a talk to an about page. Jul 11 22:46:26 It'll be perfect. Jul 11 22:47:46 Maybe par it down by about a page. Jul 11 22:48:19 ok, to get all this timed i will have to schedule everything, is the garage todo list ok, or is there perhaps some sort of shopping type application around which i might be able to use? lbt Jul 11 22:48:49 by lots - i pared it down to 6 a5 cue cards for ltag ;) Jul 11 22:49:03 * GeneralAntilles shudders at the thought of the Garage task tracker. Jul 11 22:49:12 then dropped them when some geezer shoved a big mic in my face :S Jul 11 23:13:04 nearly there... Jul 11 23:14:35 found some kind of bug in gtkmm - triggering a Gtk::HBox->remove() of a Gtk::Entry on the Gtk::Entry activate signal causes a segfault. Jul 11 23:14:37 lol Jul 11 23:14:50 oh cripes Jul 11 23:15:10 i spotted the strange one you had before with the object,basemethod() Jul 11 23:15:29 yep - that was fun Jul 11 23:15:45 that would be a doozy of a thing to debug: but it wouldnt have occured if you didnt recurse your classes Jul 11 23:16:16 a wonderful thing to do by the way, i have been building my classes without realising it was possible. Jul 11 23:16:39 this is a method of a deep base class (Gtk::Widget) Jul 11 23:17:00 so any widget containing a container widget has the same methods Jul 11 23:17:06 why are you removing something that you are entering Jul 11 23:17:42 i would imagine that removing yourself whilst in the middle of working on yourself would be a bit of a nono Jul 11 23:17:48 If I instansiate (sp?) lots of Entry boxes then it goes slow :( Jul 11 23:18:00 it doesn't delete itseld Jul 11 23:18:03 `f Jul 11 23:18:06 (cat!!!) Jul 11 23:18:09 lol Jul 11 23:18:19 it just de-parent's itself Jul 11 23:18:44 and reparents itself where it is needed for the next one? Jul 11 23:18:51 but I think the gtk 'activate' may try to trigger a default 'OK' button in the parent Jul 11 23:18:57 kindof Jul 11 23:19:05 i gather as you enter a simple check item it becomes a fully editable one Jul 11 23:19:14 yes Jul 11 23:19:25 click on the label and it becomes an Entry Jul 11 23:19:32 and the slowdown is because having so many textboxes on screen is a bit cack Jul 11 23:19:39 yes Jul 11 23:19:51 they're all fully featured editors!! Jul 11 23:19:59 and having 50 or so... Jul 11 23:20:03 eek Jul 11 23:20:05 ok, have you thought about not really reparenting, just put a single entry box on the form and move it over where it needs to be Jul 11 23:20:15 (worked fine in Qtopia on the Zaurus though) Jul 11 23:20:29 is this gtk Jul 11 23:20:31 yes it Jul 11 23:20:34 I create/delete it on the fly - it's fine Jul 11 23:20:36 you say up there Jul 11 23:20:49 it all works when I get the 'focus lost' signal Jul 11 23:20:54 just not the 'activate' Jul 11 23:21:07 I even added button click signals - they're fine Jul 11 23:21:35 http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Entry.html#8ca968ac536264b82d7f603d5c985c4d Jul 11 23:21:45 [X] label1 [X] label2 [X] label3 at the start its this Jul 11 23:22:05 yes Jul 11 23:22:25 [X] entry1 [X] label2 [X] label3 the user clicks on label1 Jul 11 23:22:31 it creates entry1 Jul 11 23:22:32 yes Jul 11 23:22:41 do you wanna draw and explain Jul 11 23:22:53 lbt: a cheap workaround would be to postpone the removal of the entry a bit by using an idle handler Jul 11 23:22:54 clicking on 2 does what Jul 11 23:23:29 I'm suspecting set_activates_default() Jul 11 23:23:31 (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) Jul 11 23:24:04 mgedmin: ugh Jul 11 23:24:10 lbt Jul 11 23:24:10 mgedmin: I thought about it :) Jul 11 23:24:24 it creates entry2 Jul 11 23:24:30 which gets focus Jul 11 23:24:32 [X] entry1 [X] entry2 [X] label3 when the user clicks on label2, does it create entry2 before it deletes entry1 Jul 11 23:24:35 and that deletes entry1 Jul 11 23:24:46 which saves entry1->text to the data Jul 11 23:24:55 which sends a signal to the label Jul 11 23:25:01 (which just unhid) Jul 11 23:25:12 to change state to display the new data Jul 11 23:25:17 quite nice really Jul 11 23:25:32 ok, write the data to the data on lost focus or deshade or whatever its called when you move out of a field Jul 11 23:25:41 dont think about removing it yet Jul 11 23:26:05 simply save it away in one swift motion with nothing to do with anything (and it will also ensure its caught when user clicks the menu button) Jul 11 23:26:25 lcuk: it's called "blur" Jul 11 23:26:31 the opposite of "focus" ;-) Jul 11 23:26:32 thanks mgedmin :) Jul 11 23:26:33 backtrace: http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 Jul 11 23:26:38 gotfocus Jul 11 23:26:40 lostfocus Jul 11 23:26:41 ;) Jul 11 23:27:10 line 10 is my innocent remove() Jul 11 23:27:18 lbt, once you have removed the getting/setting code and you know entry1 needs removing it will be simpler Jul 11 23:27:49 there are 2 paths into this function - lose focus signal or activate signal Jul 11 23:28:00 one works fine, the other doesn't Jul 11 23:28:23 so it's not a deleting myself type problem Jul 11 23:28:52 strange... Jul 11 23:29:04 yes Jul 11 23:29:47 nb - I just stopped it from searching the parent window for an activate_default Jul 11 23:29:54 in the example above, the user has just clicked label2, entry2 has been created and entry2_activate is being run. what specifically does it remove? entry1 for sure or entry2 Jul 11 23:30:43 not quite Jul 11 23:30:56 activate is run when the user hits Jul 11 23:31:49 so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container Jul 11 23:31:55 E1 is created and added Jul 11 23:32:01 it then gets focus Jul 11 23:32:03 all fine Jul 11 23:32:21 when I click L2, L2 is remove()ed Jul 11 23:32:33 E2 is created and gets focus Jul 11 23:32:56 E1 loses focus and the lose_focus callback is run Jul 11 23:33:09 this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 Jul 11 23:33:18 it then copies data from E1 -> DB Jul 11 23:33:26 then deletes E1 Jul 11 23:33:37 that works fine Jul 11 23:33:57 now Jul 11 23:33:59 ok fair enough :) Jul 11 23:34:06 so if I click L1, L1 is remove()ed from the container Jul 11 23:34:11 E1 is created and added Jul 11 23:34:16 it then gets focus Jul 11 23:34:33 I then edit Jul 11 23:34:37 and hit return Jul 11 23:34:44 ok Jul 11 23:34:50 the activate callback is run Jul 11 23:34:55 (same fn) Jul 11 23:35:03 this remove()s E1 from the container and adds L1 Jul 11 23:35:07 it then copies data from E1 -> DB Jul 11 23:35:11 then deletes E1 Jul 11 23:35:23 but it crashes (line 10) in the remove() Jul 11 23:35:25 weird Jul 11 23:35:51 anyone know of a language/data structure where strings/rows are terminated by 0x02 ? Jul 11 23:36:09 COBOL? Jul 11 23:36:11 not really. in a lostfocus event, the base control sounds like it has simply been written to handle this and not need to do anything more with the control Jul 11 23:36:38 however, pressing enter sounds like a more advanced event which thinks you are in the middle of something and is not expecting it Jul 11 23:36:40 activate is typically used as the 'close' signal though Jul 11 23:37:05 it doesnt sound like it should be Jul 11 23:37:09 no, it's not 'press enter' - activate() is supposed to be read as 'press OK' Jul 11 23:37:25 hence the 'experts explanation' I mentioned Jul 11 23:37:36 (For experts: if setting is true, the entry calls Gtk::Window::activate_default() on the window containing the entry, in the default handler for the Gtk::Widget::activate signal.) Jul 11 23:38:02 activate_default is usually the 'OK' button in the parent window Jul 11 23:38:08 yes, but im used to a command button handling things like that - ie a defaulted button will get the event after it has lostfocus on the entry box and gone to the button Jul 11 23:38:33 yes but..... given a dialog with an entry and OK/Cancel Jul 11 23:38:37 is it a case of you are listening too closely: could you move the "activate" to be handled by the container for instance Jul 11 23:38:52 rather than the specific entry control Jul 11 23:38:58 then hitting enter in an Entry is *defined* to be allowed to simulate an OK press Jul 11 23:39:12 it is :) Jul 11 23:39:27 activate is passed to the super-parent Jul 11 23:39:32 method Jul 11 23:39:46 which then tidies up the grandchildren Jul 11 23:40:43 I've noted this as a bug for now - I'll come back to it l8r Jul 11 23:41:31 ok, so we wont press enter ;) Jul 11 23:41:38 indeed! Jul 11 23:41:48 whats the beef with updating on keypress? Jul 11 23:41:53 I have an N800 - no problem for me!! Jul 11 23:41:56 and remove all the worry about focus or not Jul 11 23:42:13 oh - focus works!! Jul 11 23:42:20 it's keypress that's borked Jul 11 23:42:35 lcuk, reload. Jul 11 23:42:36 yes, but if its updated all the time, theres no real need to do *anything* when the user presses enter Jul 11 23:42:40 Added some content and another submenu Jul 11 23:42:42 just let focusing deal with it entirely Jul 11 23:43:13 its the user pressing enter and then having its feet taken away from under it Jul 11 23:43:21 well, focusing means there's always a text box visible Jul 11 23:43:32 pressing enter leaves it neat and tidy Jul 11 23:43:46 hey - I'll release the code RSN Jul 11 23:43:52 if you seperate the actions it might clean itself up Jul 11 23:44:07 then you can see what I really mean Jul 11 23:44:09 * lcuk is a firm believer in "one thing at a time" Jul 11 23:44:22 yes i do Jul 11 23:44:29 oh, me too - that's why I'm loathe to leave it buggy Jul 11 23:44:40 try it without updating anything Jul 11 23:44:45 just comment out the update line Jul 11 23:45:07 did - works fine Jul 11 23:45:11 It may or may not be convenient to edit your LinuxTag stuff in svn now that it's in there. Jul 11 23:45:12 quick 2 minute test would tell you if its the modifying writing expecting data displayed end of it Jul 11 23:45:14 (sorry, the remove() Jul 11 23:45:24 look at the bt though Jul 11 23:45:29 http://pastebin.com/d2a4be627 Jul 11 23:45:48 nothing to do with my data - it crashes before my update :) Jul 11 23:46:20 code: http://pastebin.com/d52867ed8 Jul 11 23:46:32 removing line 1 fixes the problem Jul 11 23:46:38 it crashes in line 1 Jul 11 23:46:48 so removing line 4 doesn't help :) Jul 11 23:47:18 appreciate the thoughts though ..... but it's late Jul 11 23:47:21 I gotta go Jul 11 23:47:28 catch you all over the w'end.... Jul 11 23:48:14 lbt, gnite, but why are you removing it then uysing it Jul 11 23:50:36 this http://slexy.org/view/s20uKRcqC3 Jul 11 23:50:36 shit, wrong window Jul 11 23:54:22 Ah, more retardation. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201973#20 Jul 11 23:54:32 I don't have the energy to respond to his stupidity. Jul 12 00:00:52 so I'm putting my mind into the n800 one task at a time, is there any program that works a bit faster than the default email client? Jul 12 00:01:16 I'm used to mutt, so I might not be happy with it because of that Jul 12 00:01:51 but I may as well ask Jul 12 00:02:18 I do like the flashing led bif that's a nice one Jul 12 00:02:36 Er, use mutt? Jul 12 00:03:01 GeneralAntilles: the download link at maemo is down Jul 12 00:03:39 GeneralAntilles: I don't have a developers system set up, I should probably do this and compile mutt? Jul 12 00:03:45 Not a bad plan Jul 12 00:03:59 ok, perhaps a couple of week then Jul 12 00:04:07 not too long a time Jul 12 00:04:19 You could always just get the vmware image. Jul 12 00:04:39 hmm, that sounds better :) Jul 12 00:05:07 but I'm using amd64 is it only 32? Jul 12 00:05:27 does it matter? Jul 12 00:05:30 yes Jul 12 00:05:34 no Jul 12 00:05:38 good point, its not an emulator is it Jul 12 00:05:51 not sure, probably not Jul 12 00:06:27 but it is being treated as an OS by itself, so there shouldn Jul 12 00:06:31 t be problems? Jul 12 00:06:44 may as well try Jul 12 00:06:49 vmware will work fine. Jul 12 00:07:53 are there no precompiled packages of mutt, not that I won't set up the environment, I'm already attached to my n800, but I won't have to work quite as much initially to get what I want? Jul 12 00:09:29 vmware is pretty much download and go. Jul 12 00:11:05 hey GA, you're old Jul 12 00:11:09 you should know this Jul 12 00:11:34 An interesting sense of old. Jul 12 00:11:35 has Wayfinder always worked around the same ideas ? i.e.: give everyone free maps, but make them pay for directions ? Jul 12 00:11:47 ok so first to install vmware :) Jul 12 00:11:59 or did earlier versions require you to pay to get the updated maps ? Jul 12 00:12:15 crashanddie, the application wasn't bundled on OS2006 and OS2007 Jul 12 00:12:30 The Maps shipped on a DVD Jul 12 00:12:34 Dunno if there were updates. Jul 12 00:12:47 GeneralAntilles, what I'm trying to find out, is if the license I get with my n810 entitles me to get updated maps ? Jul 12 00:13:10 I think it's mentioned in the sales documents. Jul 12 00:13:23 Because at the moment, their implementation fails and the maps don't download Jul 12 00:13:31 email them and ask 'em if they'll ship you a CD. :P Jul 12 00:13:45 I've been trying to reverse engineer their distribution system, and I've come quite some way Jul 12 00:14:13 I thought they had direct links on the website Jul 12 00:14:55 they're outdated Jul 12 00:15:01 Oh Jul 12 00:15:03 Email them. :P Jul 12 00:15:11 the new maps are 2008.1, the versions on the website are 2007.sumthin Jul 12 00:15:19 so I need vmware player ? Jul 12 00:15:25 Yes. Jul 12 00:17:45 crashanddie, aside from the communications lag, it'd probably be easier to give them the opportunity to rectify the situation. :P Jul 12 00:18:18 yeah Jul 12 00:18:22 well, I'll contact them Jul 12 00:18:28 and if they don't reply nicely Jul 12 00:18:35 I'll send my botnet on their servers Jul 12 00:18:37 Mhuwhahahahahaha Jul 12 00:18:39 lol Jul 12 00:22:48 servers in hawaii? Jul 12 00:23:15 GeneralAntilles, have you ever been called old before :D Jul 12 00:23:27 By my sister once or twice Jul 12 00:23:35 But she's currently 16, so meh. Jul 12 00:23:53 what else are siblings for :) my sister is 4 years old er than me and i remind her every chance i get Jul 12 00:24:45 GeneralAntilles: pics? >_> Jul 12 00:24:58 summatusmentis, you don't value your life much, do you? Jul 12 00:25:04 lol, I kid, I kid Jul 12 00:25:14 my sister just turned 16, no worries Jul 12 00:25:38 * GeneralAntilles throws Molotov cocktails at summatusmentis. Jul 12 00:26:03 * summatusmentis throws shrimp cocktails at GeneralAntilles Jul 12 00:26:07 take that! Jul 12 00:26:12 GeneralAntilles, ill try and layout those notes a little better, they were geared for speech rather than pagination Jul 12 00:26:13 haha Jul 12 00:26:40 lcuk, delete some of it, and make the paragraphs a bit longer. Jul 12 00:27:08 exactly, ill give you some cleaner copy now i know what it needs to look like Jul 12 00:27:53 i might enslave eldest into writing it tomorrow actually. he needs a lesson in word processing Jul 12 00:28:06 Haha Jul 12 00:28:16 You could toss in some HTML if you're feeling mean. ;) Jul 12 00:28:49 no need, Microsoft Word 2000 can save as HTML. i can has instant webpages :D Jul 12 00:28:58 ohgod Jul 12 00:29:06 move out of the way web designers ;) im comin through :P:P:P Jul 12 00:29:21 ill save as RTF and let you deal with it Jul 12 00:29:31 http://slexy.org/view/s227F23BrL Jul 12 00:29:32 I like how Microsoft inserts proprietary elements into their "html" pages so that it only renders correctly in IE. Jul 12 00:29:36 Has anyone done any work to get ip forwarding and iptables nat support working in ITOS? Jul 12 00:29:43 their "HTML" is so screwed up Jul 12 00:29:46 I won't talk to you anymore if you submit an MS Word created .html file Jul 12 00:30:15 holy shit Jul 12 00:30:18 a micrsoft HTML file contains something like 76kb of data just to say "hello world!" Jul 12 00:30:34 wireshark has been capturing packets since... 5PM Jul 12 00:30:41 wee! Jul 12 00:30:51 crashanddie, s/n8x0/N800 and N810/ and s/NIT/N810/ Jul 12 00:30:51 <3 wireshark Jul 12 00:30:54 thatsabiglogfile Jul 12 00:31:10 GeneralAntilles, too late, already clicked send Jul 12 00:31:15 hey, you can rewatch all your pron! Jul 12 00:31:28 well, no Jul 12 00:31:34 cuz it captured only stuff from the NIT xD Jul 12 00:31:49 What, you don't stream porn to your tablet? Jul 12 00:32:08 lcuk, http://xkcd.com/448/ Jul 12 00:32:34 my timezone doesnt drift anymore, but i DID think about rm_you Jul 12 00:32:45 i used to spend a lot of time mid atlantic Jul 12 00:33:02 lcuk, watch the alt message on the pic Jul 12 00:33:21 heh Jul 12 00:33:31 gee, doesnt he get a lot of sleep Jul 12 00:33:55 (btw, if I suddenly stop replying, it's because I suffered power outage, big ass thunderstorm over here) Jul 12 00:34:08 lcuk, some people are lucky Jul 12 00:34:28 i loath weekends though where i have to get up Jul 12 00:34:34 lcuk, btw, you made me laugh earlier Jul 12 00:34:44 lcuk, sending me emails of stuff I had to post on the IRC channel Jul 12 00:34:50 :D Jul 12 00:34:58 tracy was using mine so i couldnt Jul 12 00:35:07 and its a bit suspect if i have webbased irc up Jul 12 00:35:30 heh Jul 12 00:35:42 so i routed around the damage and found a way :D Jul 12 00:35:44 "Your Geek Gay Lover again ?" Jul 12 00:35:51 G²L Jul 12 00:36:26 oh yer i forgot about that, i need to retaliate Jul 12 00:36:32 Hmmmm. I don't think vmware will run very fast on my intel atom based laptop. Jul 12 00:36:45 * Gracana doesn't want to go upstairs to get on his desktop Jul 12 00:37:02 is that a backwards way to brag about the fact you have an atom based laptop ? Jul 12 00:37:18 you swanky git with your atom processor. in my day if we wanted to use vmware we had to go upstairs BOTH WAYS Jul 12 00:37:25 haha Jul 12 00:37:43 crashanddie, haha, I guess it could be. Jul 12 00:37:58 i expected him to hold it up and to hear the intel chimes Jul 12 00:38:11 has some discovered matter based on something other then atoms? if not, a atom based laptop seems rather redundant ;) Jul 12 00:38:15 "tootitumtii" Jul 12 00:38:16 But we all have shmancy little internet devices, so I don't feel too smug. Jul 12 00:38:25 haha ds3 Jul 12 00:38:49 a non atomic atom processor would be cool Jul 12 00:38:57 or would it be hot? Jul 12 00:38:59 * lcuk explodes Jul 12 00:39:09 organic-cell based processor Jul 12 00:39:16 still atom based, but hawt Jul 12 00:39:42 I know some pretty hot organic-cell based processors. Jul 12 00:39:51 "shit, my CPU is at 29.8C" "ouch, bad fever... You might have caught a virus" Jul 12 00:40:08 crashanddie, could you really cope if your NIT was organic and alive. every time you bang the cursor too much it says "ouch" Jul 12 00:40:09 * Gracana smacks crashanddie for making such puns Jul 12 00:40:10 * GeneralAntilles wants more people to tell us that Nokia should switch to the Atom so he can laugh at them. Jul 12 00:40:40 Nah, arm really is superior. Jul 12 00:40:44 GeneralAntilles, you sound like an apple fanboy 10 years ago Jul 12 00:41:06 10 years ago? Jul 12 00:41:08 If you must have an x86, atom is pretty good, but if you can build it around an ARM.. Jul 12 00:41:10 silicone processors are way better. boobies are even better than arms Jul 12 00:41:14 Let's see, 68k was already gone Jul 12 00:41:27 and x86 was 7 years away Jul 12 00:41:30 lcuk, I prefer legs than arms, quite honestly Jul 12 00:41:58 68k rulez Jul 12 00:42:12 Ah, this one makes me laugh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18659 Jul 12 00:42:16 68k sux Jul 12 00:42:28 lcuk, I would fall for a girl with long legs, not so much for a girl that has long arms :P Jul 12 00:42:31 Has anyone set up maemo/scratchbox development environment in ubuntu? I remember having a hell of a time last time I tried. Jul 12 00:42:46 Gracana, download a .sh, run it, done Jul 12 00:43:09 depends on linux flavour Jul 12 00:43:35 scratchbox prefers debian doesnt it Jul 12 00:43:52 lol its ok im blind Jul 12 00:43:57 * lcuk missed the ubuntu Jul 12 00:45:02 crashanddie, yeah.. That failed in a rather complex manner last time. I'll give it another shot though. Jul 12 00:45:19 Gracana, you runny gutsy ? hardy ? feisty ? Jul 12 00:45:43 Hardy. Jul 12 00:47:00 then there's no problem Jul 12 00:48:33 Are there up-to-date instructions on getting scratchbox set up somewhere? Jul 12 00:49:07 I'm finding a lot of old stuff.. Jul 12 00:51:16 ok, let's see Jul 12 00:51:44 Maemo.org: 1, 2, 3 Jul 12 00:51:47 Yup, that's it Jul 12 00:51:56 3 clicks from the maemo.org page, and I have it :) Jul 12 00:52:01 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ Jul 12 00:52:42 Gracana, wget http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh Jul 12 00:52:50 chmod +x maemo*.sh Jul 12 00:52:55 ./maemo*.sh Jul 12 00:54:29 hey lcuk, still there ? Jul 12 00:55:16 ohgod Jul 12 00:55:20 killmekillmekillme Jul 12 00:55:23 * GeneralAntilles asplodes. Jul 12 00:55:35 yes Jul 12 00:55:36 Thanks, crashanddie. Jul 12 00:55:49 * lcuk wipes bits of GeneralAntilles off his shoulder Jul 12 00:56:02 I need some ice cream. Jul 12 00:56:12 Too much retardation can only be solved by ice cream. Jul 12 00:57:09 GeneralAntilles, I have some home made coffee-chocolate-vanilla icecream :) Jul 12 00:57:27 I should steal my parent's ice cream maker when I go home Jul 12 00:57:30 they never use it. Jul 12 00:57:46 why steal ? Jul 12 00:57:49 If they don't use it Jul 12 00:57:51 just ask for it ? Jul 12 00:57:56 lol Jul 12 00:58:13 Steal in a humorous sense. Jul 12 00:58:28 Saying "I should ask my parents if I can have the ice cream maker when I go home" just sounds silly. Jul 12 00:58:28 I fail to see the humour in stealing Jul 12 00:59:03 * GeneralAntilles is wondering how Hellboy II will be. Jul 12 00:59:11 Interesting change of direction compared to the first. Jul 12 00:59:35 "Server problems turned this year's iPhone 3G launch into an exercise in patience for Apple fans and employees, as eager buyers faced waits of up to two hours to get their iPhone 3Gs activated in Apple stores, and many left with iPhone 3Gs in hand but the activation process incomplete. The same problems affected original iPhone owners trying to install the iPhone 2.0 software, turning their handsets into "iBricks."" Jul 12 00:59:55 They shoulda just let 'em activate at home. . . . Jul 12 01:00:36 My mother, apparently, didn't have any trouble, though. Jul 12 01:01:27 I'm pretty sure you can activate at home. Jul 12 01:01:37 Not the 3G Jul 12 01:02:17 all this so apple and the rest can feed their controlfreak needs... Jul 12 01:02:19 Oh, you know that for a fact? I was under the impression that a couple people I knew were just doing it at home with itunes. Jul 12 01:02:43 Maybe that was something else. Jul 12 01:03:47 i think i read there where people that got most of it done in the store as planed, and then got the phone handed to them and told to finish the process at home Jul 12 01:04:33 That could have been what these guys were doing. Jul 12 01:05:04 Gracana, http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/iphone-3g-must-be-activated-in-store-and-other-followup-questio/ Jul 12 01:05:30 i wonder how many phones apple have in storage and will be "rationing" out to the faithful over the next couple of weeks... Jul 12 01:06:47 or maybe they are just giving priority to their own places... Jul 12 01:06:58 would make sense in a way... Jul 12 01:20:27 * Gracana should not have been playing around with /proc entries Jul 12 01:22:24 * Gracana tried to throttle his 1.6GHz CPU to 208MHz Jul 12 01:22:28 It did not like that. Jul 12 01:27:24 scratchbox installed, I think Jul 12 01:29:52 gnite chan Jul 12 01:33:30 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 12 01:34:14 * Gracana breathes normally Jul 12 01:37:30 I've got the openssh package installed, but it seems if the tablet is idle for a couple minutes without using the net interface, my ssh session drops Jul 12 01:39:03 so I have to keep click browser links to keep my ssh session alive. Am I alone in this? Jul 12 01:39:34 I think so. Is your WLAN timeout set to something? Jul 12 01:39:44 Sounds like an issue with your AP. Jul 12 01:40:31 GeneralAntilles: I doubt that, because it wshould't care what kind of traffic Jul 12 01:40:38 if web traffic keeps it alive, then ssh traffic would too Jul 12 01:40:39 burnte: Are you ssh'ing into the tablet, or out of it? Jul 12 01:40:42 into Jul 12 01:40:50 Yeah, I have the same problem. Jul 12 01:40:56 (easier than using the built in keyboard for extended periods) Jul 12 01:41:16 You have to occaisionally send outgoing traffic, or it seems to stop listening for incoming traffic. Jul 12 01:41:22 Hmm, I never had that problem. Jul 12 01:41:45 derf: yep Jul 12 01:41:49 But just using the ssh session should be enough (or at least, it is for me). Jul 12 01:41:57 should be, yeah Jul 12 01:42:15 it's like something is only paying attention to GUI apps or something Jul 12 01:42:18 not shell net use Jul 12 01:42:53 No, the dichotomy is definitely transmit/receive for me, not which app is doing it. Jul 12 01:43:11 oh Jul 12 01:43:18 I never explored that much to determine other apps did it Jul 12 01:43:37 Mine idles on ssh all without issue. Jul 12 01:43:43 Though it also idles on XChat, so that may help. Jul 12 01:43:54 oh man Jul 12 01:43:58 that's not a bad idea Jul 12 01:44:02 I forgot about xchat Jul 12 01:44:09 when I had xchat running it didn't do this I think Jul 12 01:44:10 It's in Extras. ;) Jul 12 01:44:11 * burnte grabs the 810 Jul 12 01:44:19 oh Jul 12 01:44:19 right Jul 12 01:44:27 I'm still shoehornign xchat back in after my latest flash Jul 12 01:44:59 Er, just install it from Application manager? Jul 12 01:45:08 what repo? Jul 12 01:45:53 Extras Jul 12 01:46:05 * burnte wonders why AM isn't finding it Jul 12 01:46:07 The only repo you really need. ;) Jul 12 01:46:11 Chinook or Diablo? Jul 12 01:46:20 Ah, wait Jul 12 01:46:24 It hasn't been promoted yet. Jul 12 01:46:29 Extras-devel. Jul 12 01:46:33 ahh Jul 12 01:46:43 Which I don't have a .install handy for. . . .. Jul 12 01:47:19 gronmayer probably haas it Jul 12 01:57:48 Hey crashanddie, thanks for the help, I now have a proper scratchbox development environment. Jul 12 01:59:01 Gracana, your welcome Jul 12 01:59:12 next time, just try to look a bit better around the website, ok ? Jul 12 01:59:34 crashanddie, I'm not one to ask for help without looking. I just wasn't able to find it. Jul 12 02:00:04 Gracana, most of the resources are located on the maemo website when you click "development", you should find a whole package of info there. Jul 12 02:00:15 Ah. Jul 12 02:01:50 t_s_o, you need Red Pill on to see the Settings dialog. Jul 12 02:02:14 tried that, still didnt see it. that is unless i have to restart app manager before it shows up :P Jul 12 02:02:41 but then i have no issue with droping to cli for a bit of apt-get when app manager throws a tantrum... Jul 12 02:05:02 You have to restart. Jul 12 02:05:43 ok Jul 12 02:12:42 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=611785&cid=24160057 Jul 12 02:12:44 Hahaha Jul 12 02:12:48 gotta love the first comment on that Jul 12 02:15:38 heh, bofh... Jul 12 02:16:14 anyway Jul 12 02:16:18 bed, all that Jul 12 02:16:19 cheers Jul 12 02:30:48 yeah, ok, got xchat back in, yeah, that keeps the network session live Jul 12 02:30:49 weird Jul 12 02:30:57 so, note to self, leave xchat open so I can ssh in. :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 12 02:59:56 2008