**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 12 02:59:56 2008 Jul 12 03:13:02 everyones lurking I see Jul 12 03:13:11 yup Jul 12 03:13:19 of cousre Jul 12 03:15:47 is there any news other than the iPhone *is* the second coming today? Jul 12 03:16:47 heh...the other news is that the second coming is delayed by problems with activation servers Jul 12 03:17:41 yep, too many idiots willing to part with their money Jul 12 03:19:23 in other news: n810s not plaugued by server loads..lol Jul 12 03:20:46 anyone from Fairbanks, Alaska lurking? Jul 12 03:20:55 Will somebody package a becomeroot/easyroot package for Extras already? Jul 12 03:21:30 how about an update to the diablo xserver-xomap package for rotation Jul 12 03:21:41 Being talked about. Jul 12 03:21:48 Well, it's already been updated Jul 12 03:21:51 for a while now Jul 12 03:21:58 but getting it into Extras is being discussed. Jul 12 03:22:09 The issue is osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked Jul 12 03:22:20 really? I loaded the latest Rotate Package and apt/app mgr keeps telling me to update xomap Jul 12 03:22:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 Jul 12 03:22:52 You have Red Pill mode on, don't you? Jul 12 03:23:20 yes, and this is the version I am using xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb, but yesterday it started telling me to update to a new version Jul 12 03:23:31 Turn off Red Pill Jul 12 03:23:38 Nobody should be leaving Red Pill mode on. Jul 12 03:24:18 I am not too familiar with apt-get either (used yum and smart forever) is there a way to filter upgrades? ie apt-get upgrade p* Jul 12 03:24:20 I don't know why it's been proliferated as some sort of "fix-it" mode, but nobody should be leaving it on and people really shouldn't recommend it as such. Jul 12 03:26:59 they like red pill mode cause the matrix is cool Jul 12 03:27:13 yeah, and Neo died. :P Jul 12 03:27:24 i dont remember that Jul 12 03:28:16 yep he did, and came back Jul 12 03:28:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=202046#post202046 Jul 12 03:28:24 * GeneralAntilles facepalms. Jul 12 03:28:49 i understand Ubuntu Mobile isn't so hot Jul 12 03:29:06 It's still very young. Jul 12 03:29:40 I mean, it certainly has potential Jul 12 03:29:47 But until it actually ships on something. . . . Jul 12 03:30:20 yea, everything has potential though. I used OS/2 and thought it was the Sh**T, but alas IBM's marketing sucked and windows was already secure Jul 12 03:30:28 Ha Jul 12 03:31:22 I was actually a Beta Tester for OS/2 Warp Jul 12 03:31:39 Ran rings around Winblows95, but alas... Jul 12 03:33:31 And then there was FAmiliar hacked onto iPaqs.. potential - but again.... Jul 12 03:34:11 Gotta say Vagalume rocks... Jul 12 03:34:54 Between that and Numpty Physics, my wife is even liking my NIT Jul 12 03:44:40 GeneralAntilles: where is the vmware image for maemo sdk? Jul 12 03:44:45 or anyone else Jul 12 03:46:20 VMWae for MAemo!? Wow, better have some disk spac Jul 12 03:46:57 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=vmware+maemo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Jul 12 03:48:30 great Jul 12 03:50:32 well I must reboot, a debian box I know it's sad but it is a laptop so it isn't too bad, be back in 10minutes Jul 12 03:53:04 not so bad Jul 12 04:08:29 wow installing the latest vmplayer is not so simple when module-assistant crokes :), ok now for installing maemo's sdk Jul 12 04:13:07 i hate how pings scroll off Jul 12 04:15:41 scroll off? Jul 12 04:15:47 yeah Jul 12 04:15:53 xchat has a maximum history length Jul 12 04:16:20 oh, I use irssi, I will hopefully add irssi as a n800 package Jul 12 04:16:32 but I still haven't added the sdk :) Jul 12 04:16:41 so we'll see how far I get Jul 12 04:23:59 in 2 hours I will have downloaded the vmware image I'm a happy boy Jul 12 05:20:11 ok so what is the first step in building a .deb for maemo in this case mutt and more specifically for my n800? Jul 12 05:20:27 do I download the arm deb and modify this or start from scratch ? Jul 12 05:20:41 download the source tar.gz Jul 12 05:20:55 not the arm .deb too different? Jul 12 05:21:04 the .deb is already compiled Jul 12 05:21:11 you need the source Jul 12 05:21:19 but it can be tweaked Jul 12 05:21:29 no, it is pre-compiled binary Jul 12 05:21:37 you can't do anything to it Jul 12 05:21:43 you need the source Jul 12 05:22:29 so what about the source to the arm deb - sorry you are right Jul 12 05:22:39 it at least has a control file etc. Jul 12 05:23:09 what is the name of the file you downloaded? Jul 12 05:23:16 nothing yet Jul 12 05:23:30 I'm downloading maemo-sdk-0.6 Jul 12 05:23:38 ah Jul 12 05:23:44 in roughly 40 minutes it will be ready to use Jul 12 05:23:59 and I want to prepare for a trial run of trying to get mutt up and running Jul 12 05:24:44 so I figure I can either download the src to the deb or download as you said the tar.gz Jul 12 05:25:02 er, the tar.gz is the source to the deb. Jul 12 05:25:16 oh, ok, then that makes it easy :) Jul 12 05:26:44 you probably want http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mutt/mutt_1.5.13.orig.tar.gz and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mutt/mutt_1.5.13-1.1etch1.diff.gz as a starting point Jul 12 05:28:43 rm_you: thank you but I think I'm going for lenny :) Jul 12 05:29:00 1.5.18-2 Jul 12 05:29:05 heh k... sometimes it is harder to get them to work due to dependencies Jul 12 05:29:10 etch is generally the easiest Jul 12 05:29:21 interesting, ok, then I'm going easy Jul 12 05:29:23 /join #tux4kids Jul 12 05:29:29 doh Jul 12 05:29:32 :) Jul 12 05:30:18 there was an episode a couple of days ago when some poor chap did an 'identify ' :) Jul 12 05:30:24 lol Jul 12 05:30:26 this was on #debian Jul 12 05:31:45 hrm, looks like you will also need to find libsasl2 and libdb4.4 Jul 12 05:31:50 or compile them Jul 12 05:32:08 ok so boring as it is I'll go for an etch source and then I've heard hildon is really picky Jul 12 05:32:27 so try for libsasl2 first Jul 12 05:32:47 or something like Jul 12 05:33:10 Changing the tablet hostname with `hostname newname` should work right? Jul 12 05:33:15 I've added the host to /etc/hosts Jul 12 05:33:21 chmac: it never seems to stick Jul 12 05:33:27 rm_you: Hmm Jul 12 05:33:29 it used to... Jul 12 05:33:32 in os2007 Jul 12 05:33:39 rm_you: Is there a config file where it can be set maybe? Jul 12 05:33:40 but i havent been able to get it changed in 2008 Jul 12 05:33:43 yes Jul 12 05:33:57 There's no /etc/sysconfig on my n810... Jul 12 05:34:03 /etc/hostname Jul 12 05:34:25 everytime it connects to a server, change the hostname :) Jul 12 05:34:37 lol viral hostnames Jul 12 05:34:56 hrm changing it manually in /etc/hostname appears to have worked for now :) Jul 12 05:35:36 Seems to have worked for me Jul 12 05:35:40 I'll try a reboot just to be sure Jul 12 05:38:44 Seems to have worked for me :) Jul 12 05:39:17 chmac: sounds good! I'm going for it, 'little dude' - I'm drunk right now Jul 12 05:39:24 change /etc/hostname, etc/hosts, and /proc/sys/kernel/hostname Jul 12 05:39:40 that changes it globally, and allows you to refer to it locally as yournewhostname rather than localhost too Jul 12 05:40:12 burnte: thank you Jul 12 05:40:43 no problem Jul 12 05:40:51 it's the least I can do for the help I've recieved here. :) Jul 12 05:48:17 12 minutes until sdk is mine Jul 12 05:49:10 * burnte resets yigal's DHCP lease, killing his download Jul 12 05:50:08 no the insanity, the injustice Jul 12 05:58:29 so yeah... i am going to start doing this: http://xkcd.net/448/ Jul 12 05:59:39 hmm good morning from Australia - I live in California Jul 12 06:04:37 it's 11pm!!! Jul 12 06:04:51 in cali that is Jul 12 06:06:04 yes it is, + a few minutes Jul 12 06:06:18 feeling good on smog + the ocean air Jul 12 06:06:32 can't get enough Jul 12 06:06:41 heh Jul 12 06:08:10 ok the sdk has expanded to 4.5gb hopefully it will stop soon Jul 12 06:08:32 SDK??? Jul 12 06:08:41 you mean the vmware dump? Jul 12 06:08:47 yes, sorry Jul 12 06:08:59 no context Jul 12 06:09:16 :) I just installed ubuntu in kvm and installed sdk there Jul 12 06:09:27 :) Jul 12 06:11:04 My resources are small enough that I don't want to break them up into virtual machines, if I can help it, but kvm looks pretty neat Jul 12 06:11:26 how large does it get? Jul 12 06:12:00 the dump Jul 12 06:12:05 the base image is 2.4Gb and the image-based-on-base is 780Mb Jul 12 06:12:09 too large to flush! Jul 12 06:12:17 hah Jul 12 06:12:26 but qemu-kvm can compress the disk images Jul 12 06:12:46 7gb it's done Jul 12 06:14:37 the bootsplash is very cute Jul 12 06:25:19 if I have an internet connection on the host should I have a problem getting an internet connection on the virtual machine with vmplayer? Jul 12 06:39:09 yigal: you can always do NAT Jul 12 06:42:46 morn qwerty12 Jul 12 06:43:05 good morning Stskeeps Jul 12 06:44:00 qwerty12: do you have any need for the wext enabled cx3110x driver in your android projects? and issues with power saving? Jul 12 06:45:04 Hmm, android doesn't actually manage any wireless stuff, I have to connect through maemo first and android will use that connection. Jul 12 06:45:10 ah Jul 12 06:45:20 thought it was a seperate boot like debian is Jul 12 06:55:00 hmm, i have an n770, i can ssh root@localhost from the device, but can't ssh into it from another machine Jul 12 06:55:22 actually i probably hosed it pretty bad, maybe i'll just reinstall from scratch Jul 12 06:57:45 irees: happen to have something like bootmenu and such on n770? Jul 12 06:57:53 (for booting other OS'es) Jul 12 06:57:57 i don't think bootmenu is installed Jul 12 06:58:05 i'm just going to reflash it real quick... Jul 12 06:58:08 k Jul 12 06:58:14 i haven't messed with this thing in like 6 mos Jul 12 06:58:26 was just curious since i wonder how n770 boot-other-OS'es work :P Jul 12 06:58:27 i want to use it as a UPnP client Jul 12 06:58:42 Stskeeps, same as the rest. Jul 12 06:58:47 It isn't very different. Jul 12 06:59:09 Stskeeps, Mount up the initfs on the computer if you want to find out :P Jul 12 06:59:09 GeneralAntilles: k - so the usual fuckery with /tmp with dsmesock and such? Jul 12 06:59:27 and strange /var/run? :P Jul 12 06:59:57 fanoush is magic. Jul 12 07:00:30 indeed Jul 12 07:06:06 how much onboard storage does an n770 have? Jul 12 07:06:32 64MB Jul 12 07:06:47 k Jul 12 07:06:48 Er, 128MB, rather. Jul 12 07:12:15 Hi Jul 12 07:13:19 hum ... maemo summit is in Berlin ... about 1000Km ... ouch ... 110L of Super ... so 110*1.47*2 euro ... ouch too many euro ? Jul 12 07:13:30 no summit is planned in France ? Jul 12 07:13:38 GeneralAntilles, The nitapps guy never responded to your extras request did he? Jul 12 07:13:53 No, he appears to be dead. Jul 12 07:14:08 I dunno, he managed to keep up with diablo: http://www.nitapps.com/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ Jul 12 07:14:09 qwerty12, I hearby nominate you to package an easyroot/becomeroot package for Extras. :P Jul 12 07:15:21 Hmm, having easyroot in extras would be useful. Maybe I'll make a clone :P Jul 12 07:15:22 yeah, that's where I scored nano Jul 12 07:15:24 sooo nice Jul 12 07:15:55 *please work* Jul 12 07:16:15 hum ... maybe but at this time this is more simplier to create a repository than to upload to extras Jul 12 07:16:25 nano for maemo sucks Jul 12 07:16:29 Segfaults all the time. Jul 12 07:16:31 yes Jul 12 07:16:32 wfm Jul 12 07:16:38 course, I don't use it for long Jul 12 07:16:47 specially on search Jul 12 07:16:53 ^W Jul 12 07:16:54 heh, i wish i was lucky enough to live within 1000km of berlin Jul 12 07:16:55 :) Jul 12 07:16:56 I wonder if it's some common thing because irssi likes to segfault too. Jul 12 07:17:00 ok, I never thought this would happen to me, but I don't know where my tablet is. I can ping it, but can't see it. Jul 12 07:17:13 Play an mp3! Jul 12 07:17:28 ssh into it and run an dbus command to blink the led :P Jul 12 07:17:40 irees: i live near Paris ... :) Jul 12 07:17:57 khertan: want to trade? i'm stuck in texas... sigh. Jul 12 07:18:09 lol i am in texas too most of the year Jul 12 07:18:18 brb Jul 12 07:18:19 irees: hum ... how fuel is priced ? Jul 12 07:18:45 i take the change :) Jul 12 07:18:48 a little bit over $4usd per gallon, or about $1.05USD / L Jul 12 07:18:52 flite is effective at getting insanely loud static. Jul 12 07:18:54 was like $4.20 a gallon last i was there, is like $4.40 here in WA :P Jul 12 07:19:15 hum here it s 1.47 to 1.55 / L Jul 12 07:19:23 1.47 Euro Jul 12 07:19:34 You guys get taxed to hell. Jul 12 07:19:36 2.30 usd Jul 12 07:19:41 You've nobody to blame but yourselves. ;) Jul 12 07:19:42 :) Jul 12 07:19:53 about 8.5 usd/gallon Jul 12 07:19:57 GeneralAntilles: yes too taxed Jul 12 07:20:05 GeneralAntilles: but can't do nothing ... Jul 12 07:20:07 i don't mind Jul 12 07:20:09 how comes that when I have no programs open and I try to switch desktop background it complains there's not enough memory? Image size is 3000x2000 so it should take only 24 megabytes. Jul 12 07:20:14 i don't drive alot, i mostly use public transit and my bike Jul 12 07:20:34 Makegho, I think you answered your own question. Jul 12 07:20:37 irees: public transit are mostly in strike in france Jul 12 07:21:09 i wanted to spend a week in Paris with my wife in January.. our first trip out of the country together... but the euro makes it too expensive. Jul 12 07:21:28 just wait 10 years Jul 12 07:21:53 when i went in 2002, it was 0.90 usd / 1 euro Jul 12 07:22:16 when france will have no more money and will be a under developped country Jul 12 07:22:36 it ll become attractiv again ... Jul 12 07:22:43 Isn't Paris one of the mostly visited cities in the world? Jul 12 07:22:58 it is ... but i don't understand why Jul 12 07:23:58 there is many more beautiful thing to see in france ... Jul 12 07:24:14 like the women? Jul 12 07:24:19 qwerty12: but what takes all the memory and why I can still open many many programs. Besides, I can open it with an image viewer. Jul 12 07:24:37 yigal: :) Jul 12 07:24:37 oh, right, there it is Jul 12 07:24:40 meh, I'd much rather visit Tokyo than Paris :P Jul 12 07:24:46 rm_you: me too :) Jul 12 07:24:48 i might go to tokyo next month Jul 12 07:24:50 for work Jul 12 07:24:59 :P Jul 12 07:25:29 in my priority list : tokyo, moscou Jul 12 07:25:30 rm_you, same here. I typed in punnany in google earth and it took me straight to Japan, after that hint, I'm not going anywhere else! :P Jul 12 07:25:47 lol Jul 12 07:26:13 hrmn, the canola upnp plugin doesnt want to install Jul 12 07:27:01 speaking of canola, I tried mplayer, which claimed to be fast, adn it was pathetic, I was getting 5fps on an mp4 that the built in media player did fine. is canola better? Jul 12 07:27:13 lol Jul 12 07:27:17 Makegho, maybe the background-manager doesn't like it. Seeing as you aren't going to zoom in when it's set as a background, it may just be easier to reduce the size. Jul 12 07:27:19 canola uses mplayer for video Jul 12 07:27:35 And it can be slower because of the way it uses mplayer too. Jul 12 07:27:39 burnte, h.264 and aac is the _one_ thing Media player does better than mplayer. Jul 12 07:27:43 and i've yet to see a file play better with the built-in than with mplayer Jul 12 07:27:48 can you post that file somewhere? Jul 12 07:27:55 mplayer blows Media player on everything else. Jul 12 07:27:56 any idea why the upnp plugin isn't showing up? Jul 12 07:28:13 i couldn't get media-player to even recognize my h264/mp4's video format Jul 12 07:28:18 it just refused to play >_> Jul 12 07:28:20 rm_you: Lemme find it... Jul 12 07:28:21 s/player /player out of the water/ Jul 12 07:28:22 GeneralAntilles meant: mplayer out of the waterblows Media player on everything else. Jul 12 07:28:33 Right then Jul 12 07:28:34 ok I see the maemo sdk image's /etc/apt/sources.list is filled with ubuntu repos. should I try with these or work with debian's for my initial try at building mutt? Jul 12 07:28:41 I want an xvid gstreamer plugin. I should get my ass round to it sometimes. Jul 12 07:28:46 *sometime Jul 12 07:28:49 at least mplayer tried, though it did do badly... but i wouldn't expect the tablet to play h264, it's SOOOOO cpu intensive to decode Jul 12 07:28:58 yigal, you don't need to change anything on the vmware image. Jul 12 07:29:10 qwerty12: yup, seems that the background setter's code is diferent then. Is there a way in my N810 to resize images? Jul 12 07:29:14 rm_you, Media player actually has some decent h.264 optimization. Jul 12 07:29:28 hrm Jul 12 07:29:31 GeneralAntilles: ok, so download the source of mutt and dependendencies and try building? Jul 12 07:29:39 well, like i said, it didn't even recognize the format when i tried Jul 12 07:29:46 Makegho, just drop it through an image converter on your desktop. :\ Jul 12 07:29:54 Makegho, The image viewer has a resize option. Haven't tried it though. Jul 12 07:29:58 GeneralAntilles: That might be why then, that's how I transcoded it, to h264 and aac Jul 12 07:30:15 h.264 and aac is the absolute worst combination you could pick for the tablet. Jul 12 07:30:22 burnte: just use mencoder or something to encode to avi/xvid Jul 12 07:30:28 can go up to like 1400 video bitrate Jul 12 07:30:31 serves me right for reading the spec sheet then. :) Jul 12 07:30:33 mp3 audio at lower than 44.1 Jul 12 07:30:34 and use 400x240 resolution Jul 12 07:30:43 is there a voluntary to add dpkg-buildpackage in extras-devel ? Jul 12 07:30:46 burnte, just because it supports it doesn't mean it's the best supported format. :) Jul 12 07:30:48 rm_you: Yeah, that I had Jul 12 07:30:54 (i warn there is some depandancies) Jul 12 07:30:59 and Nokia's spec sheet has nothing to do with aftermarket software life mplayer. Jul 12 07:31:04 The Epson was the worst thing nokia could pick for the tablet (excluding rotation which was cool :)) Jul 12 07:31:18 qwerty12: ?? Jul 12 07:31:23 GeneralAntilles: I know, I read the "supported codecs" bit on the glossy and jsut transcoded to that Jul 12 07:31:23 Epson? as in, printers? Jul 12 07:31:32 Epson as in Lcd controller :) Jul 12 07:31:33 to run in media player, then LATER tried mplayer Jul 12 07:31:35 lol Jul 12 07:31:35 ah lol Jul 12 07:32:05 burnte: try playing one of the samples in encoded for mplayer Jul 12 07:32:12 When jott told me it had only 1MB for the framebuffer, I wanted to send a tank into Epson HQ. Jul 12 07:32:14 http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi Jul 12 07:32:14 So no voluntary ? Jul 12 07:33:49 lol it even plays nice streaming Jul 12 07:33:50 lol Jul 12 07:34:16 khertan, it's already in dpkg-dev ;) Jul 12 07:34:20 mplayer http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi Jul 12 07:35:42 rm_you's creepy shit. Jul 12 07:35:49 not enough memory to crop it :/ but if I boot then it succeeds Jul 12 07:36:01 qwerty12: but dpkg-dev isn't available for device :) Jul 12 07:36:17 in extras-devel Jul 12 07:36:20 but I don't want to boot my device every now and then Jul 12 07:36:21 are there any links I can look at for building packages for diablo in general? Jul 12 07:36:25 lol its a Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya AMV :P Jul 12 07:36:36 khertan, Hmm, I could make a package that would install but I wouldn't be able to put it on a repo. Jul 12 07:36:47 rm_you, I SO totally got that. Jul 12 07:36:59 qwerty12: i ve the same problem :) Jul 12 07:37:06 lol Jul 12 07:37:11 GeneralAntilles thinks its creepy :P Jul 12 07:37:20 Can't blame him for thinking that :p Jul 12 07:37:27 Anime is creepy by definition. Jul 12 07:37:34 Doesn't stop me from watching it, but still. ;) Jul 12 07:37:46 :P Jul 12 07:39:09 Just saw this one recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paprika_(2006_film) Jul 12 07:39:11 Out there. Jul 12 07:39:36 lol yeah Jul 12 07:39:51 Paprika is kinda like Paranoia Agent, isn't it? Jul 12 07:40:13 Haven't seen Paranoia Agent. Jul 12 07:42:47 grr.. sigh. Jul 12 07:42:54 qwerty12: the purpose is to upload it to extras-devel, so i could upload Py2Deb module, and so i can make an new version of PyPackager that can make compliant lintian error free packages that can be uploaded directly from the tablet to extras-devel Jul 12 07:43:44 hrm Jul 12 07:44:11 I could bet the bgimage setter forgets to call free Jul 12 07:45:01 I'm sorry I'm very dense, is the virtual sdk I've installed "ARMEL" so that what ever binaries I compile in there I can move over to the n800 and have a good chance of them working - command line of course? or something else? Jul 12 07:45:12 or something else Jul 12 07:45:14 rm_you, what'd you encode that with? Jul 12 07:45:37 GeneralAntilles: 770-encode Jul 12 07:45:46 with highly tweaked settings Jul 12 07:45:46 Huh Jul 12 07:46:05 the predecessor to tablet-encode Jul 12 07:46:18 Yes, I know what it is. :P Jul 12 07:46:22 * rm_you is still dubious about tablet-encode Jul 12 07:46:30 The "Huh" was that I don't get that kind of quality out of my encodings. Jul 12 07:46:32 lol, what was the Huh for :P Jul 12 07:46:32 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 12 07:46:33 lol Jul 12 07:46:35 You're ridiculous. :P Jul 12 07:46:47 it... it haa a *GUI*. eww Jul 12 07:46:48 tablet-encode isn't any different from 770-econde Jul 12 07:46:59 It just handles edges cases better and has more features Jul 12 07:47:03 must go on ... bye Jul 12 07:47:04 You don't have to use it. <_< Jul 12 07:47:07 and it tried to be way too smart and do things i didn't tell it to do Jul 12 07:47:12 grumble... my ps3 can see my UPNP server, but not my tablet... Jul 12 07:47:26 irees: yeah i found i had to reboot <_< Jul 12 07:47:27 holy crap Jul 12 07:47:30 dunno why Jul 12 07:47:41 I jsut loaded one of my BSG rips into mplayer Jul 12 07:47:44 nearly FLAWLESS Jul 12 07:47:57 .a is impressed Jul 12 07:48:31 er Jul 12 07:48:34 * burnte is impressed Jul 12 07:49:10 thanks for not responding I see it's all in the manual, I just have to look at bit further :) Jul 12 07:57:44 GeneralAntilles: the first time I used tablet-encode, it cropped all of the subtitles out of my anime >_< Jul 12 07:58:11 Yeah, the cropping of tablet-encode sucks but there is a command line option for it not to crop. Jul 12 07:58:12 "remove parts of the video stream" should never be the default option for a video encoder <_< Jul 12 07:58:44 rm_you, use proper encoding options. :P Jul 12 07:58:45 I tried setting the option, but it still did odd things Jul 12 07:58:50 -o Jul 12 07:58:53 eventually i went in and removed parts of the code Jul 12 07:59:04 so that it would function correctly Jul 12 08:01:24 wow, that's really impressive.624*352 video playing full screen with almost no lag Jul 12 08:01:39 burnte, told you mplayer was good. ;) Jul 12 08:01:57 You can get away with most reasonably sized *ahem* torrent vids. Jul 12 08:02:21 I can vouch for that. Jul 12 08:02:28 As long as you're willing to put up with a little framedrop in the action scenes. Jul 12 08:02:37 I pretty much don't re-encode anymore. Jul 12 08:02:37 GeneralAntilles: no idea wtf my problem was before then Jul 12 08:02:43 maybe something CPU heavy in the background Jul 12 08:02:43 h.264. ;) Jul 12 08:02:50 Or could be that. Jul 12 08:02:52 maybe, lemme check that one Jul 12 08:03:09 It's really quite a capable video player despite what the naysayers claim. Jul 12 08:03:27 I'm a happy dreamhost customer, I'm used to ignoring moron naysayers. Jul 12 08:05:33 yeah, that 264/aac vid sucks in mplayer, but divx/xvid is slick as hell Jul 12 08:05:46 which means, pretty much everything else I own. Jul 12 08:06:08 vp6 flvs could be better. :) Jul 12 08:07:25 I call that VP6Evil Jul 12 08:07:51 yeah, but vids from hulu are in that Jul 12 08:07:55 it didnt even used to play at all Jul 12 08:14:36 has anyone gotten UPNP in Canola 2 working? Jul 12 08:14:42 MOI Jul 12 08:14:46 oops, me Jul 12 08:15:36 irees, i think i did Jul 12 08:15:44 i can't find the package for gregale Jul 12 08:15:54 or was too slow Jul 12 08:16:02 irees, I used mediatomb upnp server, I think GeneralAntilles recommended it to me Jul 12 08:16:21 im using mythtv Jul 12 08:16:48 i have two upnp servers... mediatomb works with media streamer, medialink for OS X doesn't Jul 12 08:17:30 oo, now THAT would be awesome.... *had a thought* Jul 12 08:17:40 media-serv + upnp :) Jul 12 08:21:15 are the "hacker editions" worth using or complete rubbish? i want to use os2007 on my 770 Jul 12 08:21:37 definitely use at least os2007HE Jul 12 08:21:42 k Jul 12 08:21:44 i've heard os2008HE is slow :/ Jul 12 08:21:52 there isn't a canola2-upnp for gregale Jul 12 08:21:56 so i'll try 2007he Jul 12 08:22:04 but i can't believe people are still using 2006 Jul 12 08:22:44 well, my friend at work bought the 770 with grant money a long time ago, and never used it.. just sat in his disk until i stole it Jul 12 08:22:55 heh Jul 12 08:23:16 well, it's about time for people with 770s to actually do a hardware upgrade <_< Jul 12 08:23:25 $$$ :) Jul 12 08:23:38 yeah, but n800s are like $200 Jul 12 08:23:47 possibly less Jul 12 08:23:48 if i was going to spend $200 i'd just get an iphone Jul 12 08:23:58 Only thing about 770 that I like is that is uses a PREEMPT kernel :( Jul 12 08:24:08 what does that do? Jul 12 08:25:08 Don't remember exactly but it can speed up video playback and sometimes helps it to play a video better than an N800. I compiled a PREEMPT N800 kernel but the N800 didn't like it and mce shut off my N800. Jul 12 08:26:14 lol Jul 12 08:26:20 can turn off watchdog... Jul 12 08:26:22 http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-MINT-OS2008-fm-radio-skype_W0QQitemZ230270262543QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230270262543&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 Jul 12 08:26:38 Wasn't a watchdog problem :) Jul 12 08:27:53 hrm odd Jul 12 08:28:15 Things like the Wlan driver refused to load etc Jul 12 08:28:21 anyways, n800s are like $150 - $175 on ebay Jul 12 08:29:22 Hmm, if I'm uploading a package to extras, would I change the maintainer's name to my name? Jul 12 08:29:31 ooh pretty Jul 12 08:30:16 can the n800/n810 charge over usdb? Jul 12 08:30:17 usb Jul 12 08:30:28 not without modifications Jul 12 08:31:07 which is a little diappointing... Jul 12 08:31:12 disappointing, too. Jul 12 08:31:14 yeah :/ Jul 12 08:31:35 It seems to be an nokia standard :(. All the nokia's I've had use a seperate charger to the usb port. Jul 12 08:31:50 maybe they just couldn't fit it in with all the awesome they stuck in it. Jul 12 08:32:01 get a usb->nokia charge socket. it works. but imagine if you HAD to use the usb slot to charge... how would you charge up and use (for instance) a usb keyboard or hub? Jul 12 08:32:07 "If we put in cirtuitry to charge from USB, it'll start leaking awesome everywhere, or worse, blow up." Jul 12 08:32:13 well you can just bridge some things with a little bit of wire and solder... so it's easily possible >_> Jul 12 08:32:21 "Can we remove some of the awesome to make room?" Jul 12 08:32:30 "No sir, the only way to decrease wesome is to add suck." Jul 12 08:32:37 My SE's though, do like to charge from usb though. Which is nice but they use a propitiatory port. Jul 12 08:32:59 oops, seem to have spelt that wrong :/ Jul 12 08:33:04 proprietary Jul 12 08:33:12 Yeah, that's the word, thanks. Jul 12 08:33:12 SE's arent designed to do both at once. the nokia can have devices on the usb whilst charging Jul 12 08:33:15 np Jul 12 08:33:30 how do i select text to copy in the browser Jul 12 08:33:44 lcuk_zzz, i dunno, my nokia phones cant. Jul 12 08:33:48 click once and then again and drag Jul 12 08:33:56 hard to explain possibly Jul 12 08:33:58 it' Jul 12 08:34:00 oh yer, im awake.. Jul 12 08:34:03 it's a little finicky Jul 12 08:34:05 just Jul 12 08:34:18 heh, 'morning Jul 12 08:34:32 500mA isn't enough to charge a tablet quickly. Jul 12 08:34:49 but it is enough to charge it Jul 12 08:34:55 my blackberry charges over usb just fine Jul 12 08:35:02 besides, the usb is for connrecting peripherals, not charging. ;) Jul 12 08:35:18 but your blackberry is not a usb host Jul 12 08:35:34 it would be nice if it was possible to charge from both usb and charger plug Jul 12 08:35:51 it wouldn't need that much or that smart electronics to the usb side connector Jul 12 08:36:05 lcuk, not all the time though. 890mA isn't enough to cover the tablet's power requirements sometimes. Jul 12 08:36:51 I have my n810 hooked to a deisel generator. MORE POWER Jul 12 08:36:53 hrnm Jul 12 08:36:57 i think the old charger i use downstairs is only 500ma Jul 12 08:36:59 cowbell Jul 12 08:37:03 is there a way to overclock the CPU? :) Jul 12 08:37:16 i overclocked the cpu on my phone once Jul 12 08:37:20 yes, just run something that needs the power Jul 12 08:37:29 irees, N-gage? Jul 12 08:37:35 Not unless you want to fry things. Jul 12 08:37:36 it overclocks from 166mhz all the way upto 400 Jul 12 08:37:39 my other phone, a samsung blackjack Jul 12 08:37:49 Ah, I overclocked my N-gage once :) Jul 12 08:38:08 qwerty12: So it sucked faster? :) Jul 12 08:38:38 Hehe, I never used it for calling anyway, most of the numbers didn't work :P. Quite fun for games though. Jul 12 08:38:40 burnte, why use dirty power. just ask for an RTG in your nokia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator ) Jul 12 08:39:44 lcuk: Nah, I jsut have this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/zero.shtml Jul 12 08:40:38 the cool thing is that the radiation gives me a healthy glow, and the waste powers my fusion reactor. Jul 12 08:40:53 X-Fade, ping Jul 12 08:41:43 burnte, wouldn't you need a zero point gravity energy manipulator to carry that? Jul 12 08:42:07 damn, -gravity Jul 12 08:42:16 http://www.gearlog.com/2007/04/the_zeropoint_energy_manipulat.php Jul 12 08:42:18 lcuk: No, your standard antigrav hand truck works fine, as long as you don't make any shart turns in 4 dimensions. Jul 12 08:44:05 time to put the n810 and myself in sleep mode Jul 12 08:44:36 sleep well, and i hope neither of you suffer early battery drain Jul 12 08:45:26 i think im goin back to bed as well Jul 12 08:48:19 hi lcuk: last night I caught "why are you removing it then using it". remove() isn't delete. It's a member function of the parent and just removes a (non-counted) pointer. Jul 12 08:48:26 anyway - sleep well :) Jul 12 09:04:01 Morning, all Jul 12 09:05:39 morning Jul 12 09:10:40 moorning Jul 12 09:18:15 GeneralAntilles: I was about to make the same revert of easyroot/becomeroot on 'Root_access' with a very similar comment :-) Jul 12 09:19:30 You may want to add that easyroot has exactly the same functionalty as becomeroot. In a time where (stupidly) more people recommend becomeroot, users may get confused. Jul 12 09:21:11 * RST38h recommends ssh - being root from a remote computer with full sized kbd is SOOO much more satisfying... Jul 12 09:22:46 ""Public SSH keys" section of your garage account maintenance page. " - Ok, so I clicked the link. Where the F*** is the SSH section? Or does it only appear when I level up in the game? Jul 12 09:23:23 have to kill the boss Jul 12 09:23:41 I guess the boss is x-fade Jul 12 09:24:00 qwerty12: when i had to change my key, X-Fade had to re-invite me >_> Jul 12 09:24:19 Do I have to wait for an invite before the SSH section is shown? Jul 12 09:24:19 Guten Morgen! Jul 12 09:24:27 Lol, good morning :) Jul 12 09:24:29 Guten tag, lardman :) Jul 12 09:24:32 Wie gehts? Jul 12 09:24:38 Yep, the page that lets you change keys is only available by invitation Jul 12 09:24:42 not bad thanks, you? Jul 12 09:24:47 * rm_you has now used up all of the Deutsch he knows :P Jul 12 09:24:48 lardman moo Jul 12 09:24:56 RST38h: baaa Jul 12 09:25:01 RST38h, rm_you : Ah, thanks. Jul 12 09:25:25 qwerty be prepared to ask for invitation multiple times Jul 12 09:25:41 very bored >_> I'm just sitting watching anime <_< Jul 12 09:25:46 because entering keys does not work very well Jul 12 09:25:52 I shall flood X-Fade's email. And then get killed by X-Fade. Jul 12 09:26:17 it would be helpful if the page gave examples of how they are supposed to be formatted Jul 12 09:26:36 wont help you Jul 12 09:27:06 looks like the server is very picky about carriage returns including ones after the key Jul 12 09:27:38 get one of them wrong (and it is real easy with html form) - and the key does not work Jul 12 09:27:53 Arrgh, thanks for the warning :/ Jul 12 09:29:28 * RST38h isnt sure why maemo.org guys cant just strip all control chars from entered data Jul 12 09:29:39 it is dead simple Jul 12 09:34:54 Seems like gpg doesn't like me: "Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give Jul 12 09:34:54 the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 276 more bytes) Jul 12 09:34:54 " - I've done a lot more and it seems to hang on me :) Jul 12 09:34:59 Sorry. Jul 12 09:35:33 can take several minutes sometimes :/ Jul 12 09:36:32 I guess it doesn't help that I'm doing it under andLinux :). I think I'll reparitition my hard disk for ubuntu (again!). Jul 12 09:37:54 just to generate a key* Jul 12 09:37:56 ? Jul 12 09:38:17 Meh, I've been thinking about it for a while anyway. I miss Linux. Jul 12 09:38:36 * qwerty12 <3 tux Jul 12 09:39:20 fun read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_problems_solved_by_MacGyver Jul 12 09:39:21 :P Jul 12 09:41:16 qwerty12: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras contains a link to the *second* account mgmt page Jul 12 09:42:21 That's where I went, but I think rm_you & RST38h got it, I need to wait for an invite (never tried uploading to extras-devel before) Jul 12 09:42:40 qwerty12: have you applied for an invite? Jul 12 09:43:02 There's a web form so you don't have to wait and grab X-Fade when he's online (again, link to that wiki page ;-)) Jul 12 09:43:16 Yes, I'm waiting for it. I thought the SSH section would have been independent to an invite :) Jul 12 09:43:20 rm_you: am reading and remembering now :) Jul 12 09:45:54 The path to extras submission should really be shortened. There is absolutely no need for invitation to enter ssh keys etc Jul 12 09:46:22 should just be available from maemo.org account settings Jul 12 09:46:59 qwerty12: generate some dis activity, such as "find /" Jul 12 09:47:03 Jaffa: the second page contains fields for enering your SSH and GPG keys Jul 12 09:47:14 * qwerty12 finds my dvd with partition magic on it and removes andlinux Jul 12 09:47:15 well, I guess it is useless to complain, seeing how the process becomes more complicated with each iteration Jul 12 09:47:18 melmoth, good idea, thanks Jul 12 09:47:20 Jaffa: I couldn't find a way to open that page from garage Jul 12 09:48:31 * qwerty12 looks forward to using tablet-encode again. Best encoder for the tablets I've ever used. Jul 12 09:48:56 used it once. it crashed consistently Jul 12 09:49:41 zap: Yes. For some reason it's a hidden link Jul 12 09:49:46 worked around the crash somehow (dont remember how), encoded at best quality setting, got crappy result Jul 12 09:49:54 back to mencoder now Jul 12 09:49:56 RST38h: A problem some people had with the GUI version has been fixed in v2.19. Jul 12 09:50:14 Jaffa: that must have been it then. Jul 12 09:50:16 The CLI version has never had any problems. But, thanks for the bug report Jul 12 09:50:40 Jaffa: I guess you may want to add more presets though Jul 12 09:50:40 (AFAIK, anyway) Jul 12 09:50:47 just use 770-encode, it doesn't have a GUI to mess things up :) Jul 12 09:51:01 mencoder works just as well Jul 12 09:51:17 yeah, cause that's what 770-encode / tablet-encode use Jul 12 09:51:30 * Jaffa doesn't want to overcomplicate things with too many presets, 5 or so is the right number, and tweaking those to be the best possible is ideal. Anyway, you can add new presets trivially yourself in a separate config file. Jul 12 09:51:57 I can just as well use mencoder though Jul 12 09:52:08 RST38h: I'd be interested to see your mencoder settings since there's no reason tablet-encode shouldn't be as good or better (since it can do a lot of the calculations for you) Jul 12 09:52:32 Arg, I can't find my Ubuntu 8.10 CD. Instead I found Kubuntu 6.10 >.< Jul 12 09:52:40 blegh Jul 12 09:52:43 lol Jul 12 09:52:55 8.10? Jul 12 09:53:03 Oops, 8.04 Jul 12 09:53:03 qwerty12: Ubuntu 8.10 won't be released until October, so you'll probably not have a CD for it yet ;-) Jul 12 09:53:20 Hehe, it was a typo. a typo I tell you! Jul 12 09:53:24 Jaffa: what calculations? I just tell it the desired birate, thats all Jul 12 09:53:49 lol Jul 12 09:54:00 tablet-encode is a wrapper, change its presets. Jul 12 09:54:03 Bam, done. Jul 12 09:54:57 RST38h: what if you want to scale it to maximise the bitrate per pixel? What if the source audio doesn't need transcoding? What if the source *video* doesn't need transcoding? What if you want to do 2-pass? What if you want to do a number of videos simultaneously? Jul 12 09:58:42 Ooh, and more (related to DVD ripping): what if you want to rip a film off a DVD and need to know the track to rip? What if the DVD's default language isn't the one you want? What if you want to rip a DVD of TV episodes, but none of the extra features? Jul 12 09:59:58 Jaffa: I am stupid and just want it to play:) Jul 12 10:00:23 RST38h: That's fine :) Jul 12 10:00:23 No dvd drive in my laptop, just one cpu core Jul 12 10:00:46 rm_you: tablet-encode is so much better than 770-encode now, it's untrue (IMNHSO ;-)) Jul 12 10:00:56 So all these wonderful options are kinda useless for me Jul 12 10:01:31 rm_you, don't use the gui. problem solved. :eyeroll: Jul 12 10:01:42 yeah, it just does way TOO much (especially things that are just... evil... like auto-cropping) Jul 12 10:01:53 I disagree, unless all the videos you ever transcode are a good resolution for the tablet but super-high bitrate, you'll be getting sub-optimal results. Jul 12 10:01:56 it does a decent job once you figure out the right options Jul 12 10:01:59 -o Jul 12 10:02:20 rm_you: feh, 770-encode's optimisation algorithm is the same as tablet-encodes, and there's -o as GAN800 says. Jul 12 10:02:20 but in no way should *removing parts of the video stream* be a default Jul 12 10:02:42 Then you add it to your ~/.tablet-encode.conf so it's always used. Jul 12 10:02:53 oh, i cut out most of that manually... it was doing very odd things Jul 12 10:03:17 * GAN800 pokes the irrational people with a sharpened stick. Jul 12 10:03:19 my custom version of 770-encode is pretty much just mencoder batch processor Jul 12 10:03:24 and remembers my presets Jul 12 10:03:37 tablet-encode does that too Jul 12 10:03:42 GAN800: yeah, and you saw how good the videos it produced are Jul 12 10:03:42 not a good idea to poke irrational people Jul 12 10:04:03 yeah, and it does all kinds of stuff "automatically", because it thinks it is smarter than I am >_> Jul 12 10:04:09 I do it all the time, RST38h. :P Jul 12 10:04:27 i dont mind using it once I chopped out all of the automatic changes it was doing without asking me Jul 12 10:04:27 and no physical injury so far? Jul 12 10:04:36 rm_you: if there's a single thing your 770-encode hacked version does that tablet-encode can't do through setting up a config file, I'll add it this weekend - FREE OF CHARGE! Jul 12 10:04:46 i liked 770-encode, because it was optional :P Jul 12 10:05:31 rm_you: and it's still optional in tablet-encode! There's no difference in the fundamentals between them except the name. It just got renamed, everything else is still the same - and optional. Just more so. Jul 12 10:05:43 Jaffa: don't really know what it does EXTRA... i basically just REMOVED a lot of stuff it was doing <_< Jul 12 10:06:01 Jaffa, there's no arguing with irrationality. :P Jul 12 10:06:29 Jaffa: cropping / aspect ratio changes should never be default. Jul 12 10:06:40 yes, i realize it is an option Jul 12 10:06:43 rm_you: indeed. I'm just saying that with the latest version you don't need to remove anything. You can change the defaults through a config file. Jul 12 10:06:49 so have it be an option to crop / change aspect ratio Jul 12 10:06:51 rm-you is right Jul 12 10:07:19 shouldnt maim image unless specifically asked to Jul 12 10:07:19 like, in 770-encode, a lot of the stuff that is now default was in "-experimental" Jul 12 10:07:23 rm_you: and I disagree given the tablet's screen constraints. Jul 12 10:07:44 Cropping is evil. Jul 12 10:07:51 removing portions of the video is NEVER ok Jul 12 10:07:53 rm_you: no it's not. Most of what was in -experimental was removed cos it exposed bugs in mencoder. Jul 12 10:07:54 what constraints? 800x480 is not constrained Jul 12 10:08:02 320x240 is Jul 12 10:08:10 RST38h: no, but ~4" is. Jul 12 10:08:27 ? Jul 12 10:08:30 RST38h, or if you were like me and used to watch them on a W810, 176x144 >.< :P Jul 12 10:08:33 .... Jul 12 10:08:40 lol Jul 12 10:08:51 qwerty: I would buy a new phone. Jul 12 10:09:20 Jaffa: oh you mean physical size Jul 12 10:09:21 Hehe, I got n80 :). But I use my tablet now to watch vids. Jul 12 10:09:44 n80 is almost as good as e70=) Jul 12 10:10:10 Jaffa: well just look from closer distance Jul 12 10:10:11 Jaffa: if you think cropping video is ok, you are definitely in the minority <_< Jul 12 10:10:24 and it is fine to provide the option Jul 12 10:10:39 Cropping is evil. Jul 12 10:10:45 yes... Jul 12 10:10:52 * qwerty12 goes into the majority of people who do not like cropping. I think tablet-encode makes a perfectly good video file without cropping. Jul 12 10:11:01 benq tv does an interesting operation Jul 12 10:11:18 when i switched from 770-encode to tablet-encode, i lost the subtitles on like three series of anime before i realized what it was doing Jul 12 10:11:26 it stretches but does so unequally Jul 12 10:11:39 "This film has been formatted to better fit your TV." <- EVIL Jul 12 10:11:44 because the default functionality switched to cropping insanity Jul 12 10:11:56 that is probably why i am still so annoyed with it Jul 12 10:12:04 center of the frame stays unchanged but there is gradually more stretching toward left right edges Jul 12 10:12:06 RST38h, lot of HDTVs do that. Makes me dizzy. Jul 12 10:12:21 Sigh. I don't think cropping video is "ok". I think the tablets are a special case. I've done actual usability studies on tablet-encode and - shock - the *majority* of dumb users are dumb. And like having the default do the best thing for watching what they watch on a tablet. Power users and videoophiles who don't mind watching pillarboxes on a 4" screen can change the default behaviour, or override it on a per-video basis. 4" screens are not the same as 32" Jul 12 10:12:22 that sounds... odd Jul 12 10:12:25 but might work Jul 12 10:12:25 ga: it does, when camera rotates inside a room Jul 12 10:12:38 rm_you: that's not unique to that telly, loads of them do it and it's fairly crap. Jul 12 10:12:44 ga: but in most otther cases it works relatively well Jul 12 10:13:15 RSt38h, I'm a purist about that stuff. Hate it. ;) Jul 12 10:13:19 i would like to see that at least once... though it is probably a horrible idea, reallu Jul 12 10:13:22 *really Jul 12 10:13:40 rm_you: I'll say it again: 770-ENCODE HAS ALWAYS HAD THE SAME FUNCTIONALITY BY DEFAULT. You do realise tablet-encode is just a name changed version of 770-encode, right? Jul 12 10:13:49 Jaffa: yes Jul 12 10:13:52 well, benq also leaves the original option available Jul 12 10:13:56 My 30" Sharp from 2003 did it. Jul 12 10:14:07 I was very excited about the upgrade at first Jul 12 10:14:30 and no, 770-encode never auto-cropped my videos Jul 12 10:14:52 -o Jul 12 10:14:57 rm_you: your hacked version might not have, but the original version did. Jul 12 10:14:58 Problem solved. Jul 12 10:15:04 yes GA, -o. Jul 12 10:15:20 Trust me, I wrote it. I've got the source here. I can trace the lines of code all the way back to the original version. Jul 12 10:15:41 Yes, I know you did :) Jul 12 10:15:56 And I really love 770-encode, so thank you :) Jul 12 10:16:48 I posted a few times with suggestions back then, and i think you did a very excellent job with most of it Jul 12 10:17:00 Jaffa: maybe you can add a giant image of n810 with a preview video so that users can preview how it will look? Jul 12 10:17:08 and there's no way that everyone can agree on exactly how certain things should be done Jul 12 10:17:21 RST38h, Boo, N800 Jul 12 10:17:33 this way you can add more ui options without compromising simplicity Jul 12 10:17:47 I just don't think that it is a good idea to do destructive operations by default. ESPECIALLY with "dumb users" in mind Jul 12 10:17:48 qwerty: gone now :) Jul 12 10:17:55 >.< :P Jul 12 10:18:14 Anyway, gtg (partition magic awaits :)). Bye :) Jul 12 10:18:20 RST38h: One of the other video encoders does that - and surrounds it with loads of intimidating and complicated looking options. It looks cheap & nasty IMHO. A Handbrake-style preview in the GUI version would be fine. In fact, the earlier versions of Handbrake is an ideal form of GUI; especially with customised cropping. Jul 12 10:18:44 havent seen it Jul 12 10:19:02 but there is no need to add lots of cheap options Jul 12 10:19:19 just a few with good explanations will do the job: Jul 12 10:19:53 1. Crop video so that it better fits the screen (may lose some features) Jul 12 10:20:26 2. Stretch video to better fit the screen (may distort some features) Jul 12 10:20:54 Absolutely agreed 100%. As I say, the GUI is currently very basic and you can't even edit the options. I'd even be very happy to make the GUI version default to '-o' because you can give clear examples etc. Jul 12 10:21:13 0. Leave video aspect the hell alone. Jul 12 10:21:28 3. Keep video intact (may add black edges) Jul 12 10:21:38 Even mockups of a better GUI, rather than an implementation, would be very much appreciated. (I can recommend Pencil for such tasks: http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/Home.html ) Jul 12 10:21:39 rm_you, the brightness updates got really slow. I just locked it up for about 15 seconds with queued updates. . . . Jul 12 10:22:05 GAN800: >_> what were you doing to it? Jul 12 10:22:17 GAN800: have you tried "Pencil"? Jul 12 10:22:39 Yeah, needs hildon widgets. Jul 12 10:22:44 jaffa: I can mock it up if this is what you want Jul 12 10:22:58 GAN800: couldn't you fake it? Jul 12 10:23:04 Tap the brightness slider a few times in rapid succession. Jul 12 10:23:26 Easier to just use Photoshop if I'm trying to fake it. Jul 12 10:23:26 may need a few days though as I am abroad Jul 12 10:23:28 RST38h: that'd be very much appreciated. A simple, easy-to-understand, but flexible GUI is definitely something I'd like; but haven't got the time to think about (let alone implement). Having someone else do the design might prompt me to do the implementation Jul 12 10:23:56 are you using c/gtk? Jul 12 10:24:17 GAN800: yeah, i see it... this is why i used the other type of bar (HildonControlbar)... it had a feature that the volume bars don't have, which is only changing once the user stops movin git Jul 12 10:24:33 is it Perl/TK? Jul 12 10:24:42 RST38h: Perl/GTK Jul 12 10:24:46 ok Jul 12 10:26:01 rm_you, now that the whole applet is wider, it'd probably work better without the overlapping squares. Jul 12 10:29:40 The +\- soft buttons on the the brightness slider really need to be either configurable or changed to 1-unit increments. Jul 12 10:29:51 I will look into that Jul 12 10:29:54 I agree Jul 12 10:32:23 anyway, if i don't put it back as a controlbar, I can at least implement something similar to what I did with the volume beep, to make it change less often... Jul 12 11:31:50 hi all, tried to upgrade to diablo Jul 12 11:32:00 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Jul 12 11:32:00 USB device found found at bus 003, device address 004 Jul 12 11:32:00 Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0805 Jul 12 11:32:00 NOLO version 1.1.16 Jul 12 11:32:00 Version of 'sw-release': RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_MR0 Jul 12 11:32:00 Sending xloader image (9 kB)... Jul 12 11:32:02 100% (9 of 9 kB, avg. 500 kB/s) Jul 12 11:32:04 Sending secondary image (98 kB)... Jul 12 11:32:06 100% (98 of 98 kB, avg. 4684 kB/s) Jul 12 11:32:08 Flashing bootloader... done. Jul 12 11:32:10 Sending kernel image (1500 kB)... Jul 12 11:32:14 100% (1500 of 1500 kB, avg. 10873 kB/s) Jul 12 11:32:16 Flashing kernel... done. Jul 12 11:32:18 Sending initfs image (2233 kB)... Jul 12 11:32:20 100% (2233 of 2233 kB, avg. 11394 kB/s) Jul 12 11:32:22 Flashing initfs... done. Jul 12 11:32:24 Sending and flashing rootfs image (122112 kB)... Jul 12 11:32:26 100% (122112 of 122112 kB, avg. 47755 kB/s) Jul 12 11:32:28 Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed: Protocol error Jul 12 11:32:31 what is the problem here Jul 12 11:52:39 MM79: I think you should be ok Jul 12 12:02:31 have a nice weekend chaps Jul 12 12:14:58 lbt, it just looked wrong, i havent been sleeping - nice to relax and read Jul 12 12:25:20 hi Jul 12 12:29:59 Yo Maemo Jul 12 12:30:05 hi lopz Jul 12 12:30:14 heya crashanddie ! Jul 12 12:30:22 hey lcuk Jul 12 12:43:48 lardman: N810 is not booting. shows only first few pixels of green loading bar then stops Jul 12 12:45:53 loading bar is blue. Jul 12 12:47:57 it used to be, but it is a very small peace. Jul 12 12:48:18 so it should be blue still :) hmmm Jul 12 12:48:48 you are using custom kernel? Jul 12 12:49:01 no download from nokia site Jul 12 12:49:20 dont get the bar anymore Jul 12 12:49:35 only the white nokia screen Jul 12 12:49:36 :D heh, bonus i just found £20 in my jeans Jul 12 12:51:23 thats whopping $40 nowadays Jul 12 12:51:39 or just rur1000 Jul 12 12:51:58 its my money anyway but always good to find unexpected money Jul 12 12:52:55 mm79: my guess is, flashing it was unsuccessful Jul 12 12:54:19 no kidding :), now what Jul 12 12:56:15 well, reflash Jul 12 12:57:00 connect to windoze machine via usb, power down, power up with swap button pressed Jul 12 12:57:44 when it goes into recovery mode run windoze flashing program Jul 12 12:57:55 I have no windows at the moment, will try at my parents, thanks Jul 12 12:58:22 follow all instructions, DO NOT POWER DOWN UNTIL FINISHED Jul 12 13:06:40 RST38h, hows the repo business goin Jul 12 13:09:19 lcuk: no idea. will have to check when I get back from .lt Jul 12 13:09:44 may try it before that, but not very optimistic on it Jul 12 13:10:17 you in lithuania? Jul 12 13:10:21 in addition to all the repo trouble, sb2 still does not have diablo bootstrap Jul 12 13:10:24 yep Jul 12 13:10:41 cool, you meeting with other devs there or just havin a holiday Jul 12 13:11:15 vacation, with my family Jul 12 13:11:35 excellent, im not allowed internet when on holiday :) Jul 12 13:11:53 they keep me pretty busy though, so unless anyone wants to drop by Palanga to have some tea... Jul 12 13:12:06 * RST38h isnt asking permission Jul 12 13:12:13 lol Jul 12 13:12:29 No internet? well, no calling home then! Jul 12 13:12:37 i spend so much time faffing a holiday is a break from all that Jul 12 13:13:03 i almost got in trouble this year when it was discovered i had an IDE on my nokia :D Jul 12 13:13:27 I have got two kids. WORK is a break from that, as far as I am concerned Jul 12 13:13:51 same here, ive got the smallest pushing me to play whilst im talking now.. Jul 12 13:14:09 we have puzzlefarter on :D Jul 12 13:16:37 lcuk: I now see why you develop on the tablet :) Jul 12 13:17:18 well i dont have big computer all the time and the tablet *is* capable enough to Jul 12 13:17:44 its just frustrating that the ide speed is not upto where i want it - hence the editor seedling in liqbase. i would like to have my cake and eat it too Jul 12 13:17:47 I develop on a subnotebook - have been using them for years now Jul 12 13:18:25 i think ill be grabbing one of the elonex machines when they become avalbelai Jul 12 13:18:29 lcuk: btw one use for liqbase would be a superfast full screen terminal Jul 12 13:18:31 even if its just for the kids Jul 12 13:18:50 theres lots of uses for it Jul 12 13:18:54 no need for an editor this way - you can use any console based editor or ide Jul 12 13:19:11 but console based editors are page based Jul 12 13:19:29 they dont show me a 4000 line document in a floating screen with scrollbars Jul 12 13:19:35 they show me a single page Jul 12 13:19:46 i *did* think about doing irc in it Jul 12 13:19:55 scrollback would rule Jul 12 13:19:56 yes, but this way you wont need to write your own - writing a good editor is hard Jul 12 13:20:08 lcuk: present yourself to the apps as ridiculously huge? Jul 12 13:20:19 then they would show you one 999999999 line page? Jul 12 13:20:25 rmyou - is right Jul 12 13:20:30 im actively looking at writing the baseline stuff to interface a widgetset Jul 12 13:20:48 lcuk: gtk? Jul 12 13:21:07 whichever looks easiest when i get time, but yer it wouldnt be unfeasible Jul 12 13:21:23 wait there is some kind of fb based x11 implemented as a library - maybe use that? Jul 12 13:21:37 at least for a proof of concept - i doubt i could get something under x11 easily, but a widget set might be doable Jul 12 13:22:17 I kind of suspect gtk is the REASON for poor performance not its victim Jul 12 13:22:34 by the way, a SUPER speedboost would be simplest for our tablets if i did make x11 greyscale Jul 12 13:22:49 would suck Jul 12 13:23:07 depends if you are colorblind of not ;) Jul 12 13:23:18 would suck still Jul 12 13:23:40 a lot of colors will end up being the same even for color blind guys Jul 12 13:23:43 suck? howso - it would be fullspeed and linux/x11 core approves of greyscale framebuffers Jul 12 13:24:06 you want to do 8bpp grayscale? Jul 12 13:24:07 depends on if it would have power savings to be greyscale and it is a -very- noticable performance change :P Jul 12 13:24:23 Stskeeps, have you seen liqbase Jul 12 13:24:46 there is a VERY noticable performance increase Jul 12 13:24:51 lcuk: not yet, i've seen the video though Jul 12 13:24:58 been playing too much with nit debian Jul 12 13:24:58 :P Jul 12 13:25:44 well the framebuffer easily supports 800*480 25fps Jul 12 13:25:45 looks quite nice though Jul 12 13:26:33 the reason why i would suggest greyscale x11 over color is there are numerous problems converting RGB->YUV which are sidesteeped by just using grey Jul 12 13:27:18 its jsut an idea though, that would boost ALL apps on the device Jul 12 13:27:34 * RST38h has to transition from gtkimage to framebuffer Jul 12 13:28:18 lcuk: tried doing xomap with greyscale though? Jul 12 13:28:27 RST38h, i started with the omapfb framebuffer, but now a few months after changing to Xv i am glad because it means I can take the code and use it on other machines Jul 12 13:28:29 / yuv Jul 12 13:28:38 if i had done it on omapfb it would be locked to the device Jul 12 13:29:19 yuv is ok with me Jul 12 13:29:27 not with vgba though Jul 12 13:29:58 Stskeeps, i havent really looked at xomap, should i be Jul 12 13:30:51 RST38h, the more i use yuv the more i like it Jul 12 13:30:52 lcuk: no clue.. just wondering if it would be possible to make a interface based on those things, but i'm just babbling :) Jul 12 13:31:18 babble away, without discussion things wont change Jul 12 13:31:56 ive found a decent enough route to quick graphics and want to share the love with the rest of the ecosystem :) Jul 12 13:32:22 ubuntu mobile in greyscale? *ducks* Jul 12 13:32:48 no, but liqbase sketching and other stuff in fullcolor yuv sounds nice Jul 12 13:32:55 but i cant talk about things like that for now ;) Jul 12 13:33:02 I'm out Jul 12 13:33:06 especially not in relation to other devices Jul 12 13:33:07 coffee, buying cigarettes, all that Jul 12 13:33:19 lol crashanddie enjoy the rush Jul 12 13:33:23 oh. cig. *goes out on his terrace* Jul 12 13:33:23 :P Jul 12 13:33:24 rush ? Jul 12 13:33:33 smoking after so long Jul 12 13:33:41 well Jul 12 13:33:42 I had a pipe Jul 12 13:33:54 "its always worse when you are forced to do it" <<< forced to stop smoking Jul 12 13:33:58 cheat Jul 12 13:34:01 and a tiny bit of tobacco left Jul 12 13:34:27 so I smoked a whole cig in about 2 seconds, and I was "high" Jul 12 13:34:43 lol crashanddie enjoy the rush <<<<< Jul 12 13:34:43 should do it more often, lol Jul 12 13:35:05 aye, I got it :P Jul 12 13:35:37 right, time to code :) Jul 12 13:35:43 cheers Jul 12 13:35:49 btw Jul 12 13:35:53 I got France's map ! Jul 12 13:35:55 * lcuk tosses a coin: liqwww.c or liqgame.c Jul 12 13:35:59 :D excellent Jul 12 13:36:48 game is prolly more fun Jul 12 13:37:02 but fast www rendering could be interesting too Jul 12 13:37:20 game is my generic testbed for ideas - it is where i spin out ideas from Jul 12 13:38:05 Stskeeps, yes, its been in my mind for a while - ive been looking for a simple html parser/layout engine to confirm proof of concept Jul 12 13:38:24 since nothing "simple" is around i started to write my own Jul 12 13:38:54 once i show it can be done someone will nodoubt say "hmmm theres another library that can do that" Jul 12 13:39:05 and use that instead and we get super web Jul 12 13:39:06 lcuk: take a look at Netsurf Jul 12 13:39:33 Simple, reusable, embeddable CSS-supporting browser (no DOM or JavaScript) with pluggable front-ends (RISC OS and Gtk+ supported ATM) Jul 12 13:40:38 just grabbed it now, if it looks ok ill see about pluggign it in, but if i have to spend weeks learning the library i havent got time Jul 12 13:40:56 thanks jaffa Jul 12 13:41:05 Writing your own HTML renderer from scratch - for anything other than simple renderings will almost certainly be a lot of wasted time & effort. Jul 12 13:41:42 the renderer is putting text and lines and pictures in the right palce Jul 12 13:41:52 the layout engine is the difficult part Jul 12 13:42:01 im only thinking simple stuff anyway for the book reader Jul 12 13:42:09 Fair enough. Jul 12 13:42:40 lcuk: yuv actually has problems Jul 12 13:42:50 oh noes, what problems Jul 12 13:42:56 severe problems with standard definition Jul 12 13:43:09 what do you mean Jul 12 13:43:42 if you look at ccir yuv standard (used for digital signal transmission to lcds, tv encoders etc) Jul 12 13:44:01 you will see that some component values are prohibited Jul 12 13:44:19 like they span to 248 only or something similar Jul 12 13:45:18 this usually causes uneven implementation by different vendors - one guys yuv looks a bit different than others Jul 12 13:46:18 and it is real easy to screw up when you convert from rgb and there is a rounding error Jul 12 13:46:24 and? i dont think we have ever had perfect color reproduction between many systems anyway have we for a long time Jul 12 13:46:47 rgb is pretty portable Jul 12 13:47:06 not really, rgb0,0,0 is not guaranteed to be black on all systems Jul 12 13:47:13 it is yuv and hsv that cause most problems Jul 12 13:47:27 well, if you mean lcds, yes Jul 12 13:47:54 but this lcd related crap is unavoidable when you hardware uses backlight Jul 12 13:48:05 in otherwords, whatever rounding errors there may be with a conversion between RGB and YUV wont make that much difference Jul 12 13:48:11 Atleast in h264 there's a bit-exact spec on the (I)DCT now, hopefully the YUV colourspace is also well defined and not left up to the implementation :-) Jul 12 13:48:20 lcuk: oh they do Jul 12 13:48:31 i mean: EVERY single jpeg you look at has been converted from RGB to YUV and back again - the file is stored as YUV Jul 12 13:48:47 lcuk: jpeg - yes Jul 12 13:49:01 but look at video files Jul 12 13:49:10 which are also yuv Jul 12 13:49:16 It's not the same yuv :-) Jul 12 13:49:24 see how much color they lose due to yuv color space truncation Jul 12 13:49:28 AND? i click red, i get red Jul 12 13:49:54 you put in green - you get out faded green : Jul 12 13:50:15 i want RGB(255,0,0) into YUV, its gonna still be pretty much red however badly i screwup a conversion Jul 12 13:50:22 yea Jul 12 13:50:26 not necessarily Jul 12 13:50:30 that one will be fine Jul 12 13:51:07 The fun starts when you have one guy doing RGB(255,255,255) to Y 248, then the other guy does Y 248 -> RGB(248,248,248)... Jul 12 13:51:23 anyways, yuv is not as evil as I may have made it look Jul 12 13:51:30 hehe, bluetooth headset: http://retrobluetooth.com/handset1.jpg Jul 12 13:51:35 your tablet brightness might be down more than mine - the green would be darker on yours than mine: human eyes cope with variation quite well and as long as its not glaringly obviously wrong people wont care Jul 12 13:51:39 but you have to be VERY careful with it Jul 12 13:51:40 rounding errors!? pft, the worst that could cause is +/- one color value per translation.... Jul 12 13:51:49 lol RST38h :D i like that comment Jul 12 13:52:09 rm/you: not exactly , not with yuv Jul 12 13:52:13 RGB 125,157,34 might end up something like 124,158,33 >_> Jul 12 13:52:30 I've seen TV set-top boxes do it right on SCART, wrong on HDMI (presumably the TV fucked it up in that case)... Jul 12 13:52:34 it will still be in the ballpark: the fun comes if you switch the chroma channels Jul 12 13:52:59 if you translate 4 times, it could get off up to +/- 4... but it could also average out the errors... Jul 12 13:53:03 sjk <- essentially right Jul 12 13:53:11 i understand theres lots of stuff, but im not going for perfection :) Jul 12 13:53:19 wb johnx Jul 12 13:53:33 Oh oops, the range was 16 - 235 :-) Jul 12 13:53:38 hehe Jul 12 13:53:53 yer, and NTSC is a different range to PAL Jul 12 13:53:53 and god prohibit you from going under 16 Jul 12 13:54:12 cause some tvs will take it as blanking signal and go nuts Jul 12 13:54:29 i can barely distinguish the difference if a color value is off by like 3 units, especially if it's in video (moving around with a bunch of other colors).... Jul 12 13:54:38 NTSC = Never The Same Color Jul 12 13:54:39 hey Stskeeps :D Jul 12 13:54:44 uses HSV Jul 12 13:55:04 johnx: yeah, why have you been away again? :P Jul 12 13:55:09 but SURELY the clipping and scaling would be done from the digital->analog convertor box before it goes on the wire. i mean i can tell it to show RGB(0,0,0) and rgb(255,255,255) and it knows to clip it Jul 12 13:55:16 encodes most sensitive component (H) in the most error prone way Jul 12 13:55:25 rm_you, you mean, like not online for the last 12 hours? :P Jul 12 13:55:42 johnx: haven't seen you on irc in days <_< maybe i've just been sleeping at the wrong times Jul 12 13:56:00 lcuk: a lot of embedded devices work directly with yuv no rgb there Jul 12 13:56:01 i did sleep for 16 hours... that was nice Jul 12 13:56:09 rm_you, http://xkcd.com/ Jul 12 13:56:13 yeah :P Jul 12 13:56:18 i pasted that earlier Jul 12 13:56:24 good :P Jul 12 13:56:38 ima start doing that Jul 12 13:56:38 RST38h, cool Jul 12 13:56:50 i spent a long time in the mid atlantic Jul 12 13:57:02 may have to code up an app on my n800 that will tell me which timezone i'm waking up in :) Jul 12 13:57:02 anyway, back later - thers code to be done Jul 12 13:57:11 actually sucks a lot trying to get right colors on all different tvs Jul 12 13:57:29 lcuk, the issue is with the thing that does YUV->RGB, either the TV doing it itself when eating HDMI, for example, or a software converter in a computer or a hardware convert in a computer... If it's expecting full range YUV and it gets Video YUV range instead (16...235), then the RGB range will also fall inside 16...235 instead of 0...255 Jul 12 13:57:38 I had to use an ancient but color perfect sony trinitron to debug Jul 12 13:58:48 johnx: installer now with cfdisk partitioner and mkfs if the user so wishes it Jul 12 13:58:48 It's not even possible with all device combinations either. Some digital set top boxes put out rgb in the smaller range, and output nice yuv over hdmi, but your TV in turn decides to mess up the conversion :-) Jul 12 13:58:56 most people don't notice though Jul 12 13:59:19 Stskeeps, and again with the rocking! Jul 12 13:59:38 johnx: and bme-dbus-proxy was dpkg-repack'able, so we have that too now Jul 12 13:59:45 thats down to conjiguration of the tv: if that occurs doesnt it make sense to be able to say "data over X Wire is (full/clipped), data over Y Wire is (full/clipped)" Jul 12 14:00:01 johnx: next step is prolly porting "powered" from powerlaunch so we have something that speaks DSME Jul 12 14:00:04 Stskeeps, ah, cool. I didn't even look at the dbus stuff. It seemed a little out of my depth Jul 12 14:00:15 exactly the key there... MOST PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE.... Jul 12 14:00:17 Stskeeps, that makes sense Jul 12 14:00:21 it's barely noticable! Jul 12 14:00:24 lcuk, yes but most TVs don't have such features, they call it "user friendly" to not present tunables to users :-) Jul 12 14:00:41 I wouldn't call it clipped anyway Jul 12 14:00:51 * lcuk doesnt even know why this was brought up in the first place - yuv works great for me Jul 12 14:01:29 The yuv scaler on N810 probably has no tunable either? :-) Jul 12 14:01:29 it just isnt practical without IVA help to do rgb/yuv conversions Jul 12 14:01:39 it has no seperate input Jul 12 14:01:50 ? Jul 12 14:02:02 it uses full range Jul 12 14:02:26 if it had another input which supplied full or clipped broadcast range then it SHOULD be an option Jul 12 14:02:50 lcuk: it is practical Jul 12 14:02:57 * lcuk can happily supply YUV values in the whole 24bit range Jul 12 14:03:07 lcuk: just have to use lookup table :) Jul 12 14:03:12 its practical if you want slow graphics Jul 12 14:03:34 go see itT - theres a long discussion there Jul 12 14:03:43 I would have expected it to be designed for video, hence that it would clip the output if you fed it yuv in the full 0...255 range :-) Jul 12 14:03:54 well, not saying you have to do it of course but it is doable Jul 12 14:04:12 ShadowJK_, why would you expect that? its an embedded device with no video input Jul 12 14:04:38 lcdd, because the primary use of it would be to accelerate playback of video? Jul 12 14:04:39 sjk: naah, omap usually drives an lcd so no reason to limit it there Jul 12 14:05:01 it does have video output though Jul 12 14:05:21 yes it drives an LCD, which eats RGB, not YUV Jul 12 14:05:28 no it doesnt Jul 12 14:05:33 oh? Jul 12 14:05:34 it has native yuv inputs Jul 12 14:05:35 sjk: wrong Jul 12 14:05:42 right Jul 12 14:05:44 i give it a YUV framebuffer Jul 12 14:05:57 sjk: a lot of lcds now accept yuv not rgb Jul 12 14:05:58 it reduces the bandwidth problems Jul 12 14:06:19 the video data framebuffer mode is configurable Jul 12 14:06:20 sjk: you literally feed them ccir565 stream Jul 12 14:06:30 Ah right Jul 12 14:06:38 So then it's perfect for playback of video Jul 12 14:06:45 any conversion is inside the epson lcd chip Jul 12 14:06:46 sjk: I know it is weird but true Jul 12 14:06:59 RST38h, no it makes perfect sense :-) Jul 12 14:07:39 here is a slightly offtopic fact to woder about though: Jul 12 14:08:06 let us say you convert rgb555 to rgb565 or rgb888 Jul 12 14:08:29 which way is faster on arm: lookup or computation? Jul 12 14:09:51 depends where your LUT is - if its standard sdram i would guess bitshifting, but if you got the LUT into the on OMAP2420 5mb buffer then undeterminate. Jul 12 14:10:50 Stskeeps: ugh, i did not realize powerlaunch has dsme code... that would have saved me some time :/ Jul 12 14:10:50 for RGB actual 32bitpixels contigious then the lookup will be pretty quick. but if its planar (as the YUV is) it takes a lookup, plus shifting to get the bytes then writing to 3 seperate memory locations as char8 Jul 12 14:11:12 jott: it has reverse engineered dsme code atleast Jul 12 14:11:14 which would be slow whichever way you looked at it Jul 12 14:11:30 Stskeeps: yeah i have done the same ;) Jul 12 14:11:47 (for setting the brightness) Jul 12 14:12:42 lcuk: bitshifting always Jul 12 14:13:13 lcuk: cause missing a cache line is a bitch Jul 12 14:13:45 and with 64kb lookup table you are gonna do it all the time Jul 12 14:14:25 depends just what you have to mask and shift and read and write, but i do tend to agree. it wouldnt matter anyway, cos on the iva or dsp a lookup wouldnt be considered Jul 12 14:14:39 of course if you are using 1-clock sram....but that would be too expensive Jul 12 14:22:18 lcuk, http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/07/11/2233225.shtml Jul 12 14:22:39 * crashanddie lights a lcuky strike :D Jul 12 14:39:50 crashanddie, :) without reading all the comments - that sits with what we were discussing the other night Jul 12 14:40:03 yup, it does Jul 12 14:43:03 :D heh I've been known to send such samples back with "Your first buffer overflow is on line 42. Thank you for your interest." I couldn't afford to deal with sloppy coders in a hard real time environment. Jul 12 14:58:07 I love the first comment on that Jul 12 14:58:10 "You sir are an asshole" Jul 12 15:02:10 crashanddie, thats miles down the page Jul 12 15:02:51 lcuk, wut ? Jul 12 15:03:00 lol its ok Jul 12 15:03:11 thats the response ot the snip i put Jul 12 15:03:25 not the first comment in the article Jul 12 15:03:36 lcuk, when I read the comments, the first comment on the guy buffer overflow on line 42, well the first comment on that was "you sir are an asshole" Jul 12 15:03:54 wow Jul 12 15:03:59 that sentence didn't make much sense Jul 12 15:04:11 you're quoting slashdot, nothing will make sense Jul 12 15:04:19 agreed Jul 12 15:04:47 now, is there somewhere that ican find a list of what i should put into my depends line in my control file based on the library Jul 12 15:05:02 well Jul 12 15:05:05 for the buildage Jul 12 15:05:06 i love the comment about what to wear to an interview based on OS :P Jul 12 15:05:06 :D Jul 12 15:05:10 or do i just use the same identifier i used for linking Jul 12 15:05:25 most of that actually accurately describes what my friends wear day-to-day based on OS pref, myself included, lol Jul 12 15:05:28 rm_you, it's pretty nice, yeah Jul 12 15:05:48 lcuk, no, you use the debian/maemo package name Jul 12 15:06:02 so, is there a map somewhere Jul 12 15:06:07 a map ? Jul 12 15:06:15 this package is called this Jul 12 15:06:19 oh Jul 12 15:06:22 apt-file I guess Jul 12 15:06:43 i have my libes: -lX11 -lXext -lXv -lXsp -lm `freetype-config --libs` ill just go find out what each should be Jul 12 15:07:02 without -lm of course ;) Jul 12 15:07:23 did dpkg /msg you ? Jul 12 15:07:52 yes thanks i always miss them Jul 12 15:28:00 Jaffa, when I use mud build apt-file, I don't get any .deb ? Jul 12 15:34:10 mud-builder fails :/ Jul 12 15:35:00 the build succeeded but you didn't get a deb in uploads? Jul 12 15:35:05 nope Jul 12 15:37:33 http://slexy.org/view/s21KiftXW7 this is what I get Jul 12 15:37:34 * qwerty12 finally got ubuntu 8.04 again. I had to install ndiswrapper and piss around with the wifi drivers and then install 249 updates. Jul 12 15:38:12 lol qwerty12 Jul 12 15:38:17 sorry you have to use ndiswrapper though Jul 12 15:38:17 denny: can I PM you? Jul 12 15:38:21 what wifi card ? Jul 12 15:38:42 Hehe, me too :(. It's some safecom one that uses a TI chipset. Jul 12 15:38:48 bleh Jul 12 15:44:16 erstazi: I guess so - I'm quite busy though Jul 12 15:44:27 denny: I understand, I couldn't mention it in #freenode Jul 12 15:45:45 test Jul 12 15:45:50 s/test/doubletest/ Jul 12 15:45:50 crashanddie meant: doubletest Jul 12 15:45:54 test Jul 12 15:45:58 s/test/doubletest Jul 12 15:46:01 hmm Jul 12 15:46:24 qwerty12: you've come back over, welcome Jul 12 15:46:43 hehe, hello summatusmentis Jul 12 15:46:58 qwerty12, no package injection for youuuuuuuuu Jul 12 15:47:17 whyyyyyyyyyyyyy Jul 12 15:47:25 well Jul 12 15:47:27 ndiswrapper Jul 12 15:47:45 if you manage to support packet injection with ndiswrapper Jul 12 15:47:59 I guess you might just get a phone call from Nobel Jul 12 15:48:22 lol, I don't think you can get any wifi card that supports package injection ;P Jul 12 15:48:24 Why isn't there a Nobel prize for Most Awesome Idea ever ? Jul 12 15:48:40 oh, lol Jul 12 15:48:43 :D Jul 12 15:48:49 well Jul 12 15:48:52 yeah, sure you can Jul 12 15:49:00 bit of ARP poisoning Jul 12 15:49:15 and that card will accept any package I send :P Jul 12 15:49:17 crashanddie: apt-get install devscripts inside scratchbox Jul 12 15:49:20 hmmm Jul 12 15:49:22 crashanddie, :P Jul 12 15:49:26 any ideas how to solve this: http://slexy.org/view/s26ypK01vC Jul 12 15:49:29 im building package Jul 12 15:49:58 aaah...pain Jul 12 15:50:03 Sounds like busybox find sucks Jul 12 15:50:11 maybe get a real version of find and put in in the PATH temporarily Jul 12 15:50:27 or hack up dh_clean Jul 12 15:50:30 Jaffa, <3 Jul 12 15:50:41 could i just cheat and remove the clean process from the package build step? Jul 12 15:50:46 man, I guess I need to get a n810 sometime... not many of yinz still have the nokia 770 like I do Jul 12 15:51:09 cos rebuilding AGAIN takes an age Jul 12 15:51:10 crashanddie: at some point once the changes at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design are finished, mud itself'll be in extras as a deb and you won't need to apt-get install xsltproc, devscripts and gnupg (although the last one isn't necessary until `mud upload' is implemented) Jul 12 15:51:12 lcuk, yeah, I guess so, but you should replace it with code that cleans the build area Jul 12 15:51:20 lcuk, yes, (i do that with big packages. took me ages to compile one, I ain't going through it again :P) Jul 12 15:51:32 once even Jul 12 15:51:39 Jaffa, just include it in the docs :P Jul 12 15:51:45 is that built into my package instructions though, or is that a default part of dpkg-build binary Jul 12 15:52:15 crashanddie: will do :) Updating the website is on my TODO for this weekend Jul 12 15:52:25 * lcuk has many TODOs Jul 12 15:52:36 FAR too many Jul 12 15:53:22 guys my omweather only shows 5 days .....i have't thursday and friday why? Jul 12 15:53:27 I'd make a busybox compatible full find for you but my scratchbox is installing :) Jul 12 15:54:30 why not use "-nc" with dpkg-buildpackage instead of hacking dh_clean? Jul 12 15:54:39 ok perfect Jul 12 15:54:55 thanks jott :) once again your wisdom amazes me Jul 12 15:55:15 lcuk: in your case you should still do a proper dh_clean replacement i guess Jul 12 15:55:20 (or make dh_clean work ;) Jul 12 15:55:33 -nc just ommits the cleaning step when building a package Jul 12 15:55:37 its ok, this is very specific for this one package Jul 12 15:55:58 ? Jul 12 15:56:11 i think i will be moving out of my little house soon enough, im gonna get a KVM and make the laptop available Jul 12 15:56:15 Italodance, because it's configured to show 5 days ? Jul 12 15:56:22 Italodance: afair there is a setting for the number of days Jul 12 15:56:28 or because it knows the world is gona end in 5 days Jul 12 15:56:41 shit, is it that time of the world already ? Jul 12 15:56:44 I haven't even packed my stuff Jul 12 15:57:10 * jott prepares his towel Jul 12 15:57:20 heh Jul 12 15:57:31 jott, is that some weird way of saying you're heading to a porn site ? Jul 12 15:57:38 lmao Jul 12 15:57:42 na that i'm out for a beer :P Jul 12 15:57:49 hg2g would be really nice fully packed onto our nokias Jul 12 15:58:00 haha Jul 12 15:58:05 copyright issues, as always Jul 12 15:59:02 :) i would pay Jul 12 15:59:03 lcuk: you could start by integrating a "don't panic" into your liqbase startup screen ;) Jul 12 15:59:10 having all the animations and information Jul 12 15:59:18 hahahahahaha Jul 12 15:59:31 Sad thing Jul 12 15:59:34 that is such a wicked idea Jul 12 15:59:44 every answer on IRC would end up being 42 Jul 12 15:59:57 "How do I use PAN?" Jul 12 15:59:58 "42" Jul 12 15:59:59 get your speech thing sorted, we can talk to the book Jul 12 16:00:14 who wants a brew/ Jul 12 16:00:20 a brew ? Jul 12 16:00:23 a .deb ? Jul 12 16:00:26 coffee/tea? Jul 12 16:00:39 brb, scratchbox wants me to log out >.< Jul 12 16:00:39 hmm Jul 12 16:00:47 what the ? Jul 12 16:00:51 He's running IRC in scratchbox ? Jul 12 16:01:05 lcuk, not for me, thanks Jul 12 16:01:10 No, post-install you need to log out to get the new 'sbox' group Jul 12 16:01:15 lcuk: just had one :) Jul 12 16:01:18 or just ssh to localhost ;) Jul 12 16:02:04 or su yourusername Jul 12 16:02:41 or "X :1" :P Jul 12 16:02:56 mh Jul 12 16:02:57 haha Jul 12 16:03:47 Jaffa, did you ever try to mud gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ? :P Jul 12 16:05:45 Jaffa, http://slexy.org/view/s2JmEHpLw5 Jul 12 16:06:25 package is running my build process Jul 12 16:06:28 :P Jul 12 16:06:30 :O even Jul 12 16:06:38 package ? Jul 12 16:06:43 packager Jul 12 16:06:49 dpkg-buildpackage Jul 12 16:06:52 :P Jul 12 16:07:17 lmao Jul 12 16:07:24 found an old log on ##c++ Jul 12 16:07:43 "I'm trying to wrap my head around C++... And did it give me a headache" Jul 12 16:07:53 "Always hurts the first time, don't worry, you'll end up enjoying it" Jul 12 16:07:58 hehe Jul 12 16:08:05 2nd comment got me :P Jul 12 16:08:27 ive felt that way since day 1: i should have gone down linux route years ago and i wouldnt feel like i do now Jul 12 16:08:43 but at the time, the only linux i saw was a console install of some debian Jul 12 16:09:00 Anyone know if there is a program for linux that basically does what windows does when you click in the middle mouse button? Jul 12 16:09:14 (brings up that arrow thing where I can scroll up and down etc) Jul 12 16:09:17 what does Windows do when you click the middle mouse button ? Jul 12 16:09:22 what does windows do when you middle click Jul 12 16:09:22 ah Jul 12 16:09:26 that's a mouse feature IIRC Jul 12 16:09:30 not OS Jul 12 16:09:51 thats a feature of the scrolling widget that the mouse is under Jul 12 16:09:58 isnt it? Jul 12 16:10:03 the linux middle-mouse-button is way better :P Jul 12 16:10:04 or does it come from the driver Jul 12 16:10:13 lcuk, I thought it was the driver Jul 12 16:10:18 yes, giving the middle finger to linux is way better Jul 12 16:10:33 boo lcuk Jul 12 16:10:40 i just rememebered yeah it is - at work some git has got a stupid mouse driver that does different shit Jul 12 16:10:41 one click paste == win Jul 12 16:11:03 not really if you randomly click middle mouse button all day long knowing it doesnt destroy your source Jul 12 16:11:11 lcuk, intellipoint? (it worked with my generic hp mouse) Jul 12 16:11:18 then do it once in linux and realise when you compile later you have pasted in a load of shit Jul 12 16:11:36 lcuk, the new mouse I got Jul 12 16:11:44 no qwerty12 he has some real shit driver which tries to be like a star trek command chair when you middle click Jul 12 16:11:45 lcuk, well... The scroll wheel is a bit edgy Jul 12 16:11:56 so everytime I scroll up, i paste shit in my source code... Jul 12 16:12:01 * qwerty12 retches after reading lcuk's comment Jul 12 16:12:05 Awesome when compiling... "How the fuck did that get there" Jul 12 16:12:11 linux middle click paste FAIL! Jul 12 16:12:36 it's awesome when you have the right mouse :P Jul 12 16:12:43 My mx1000 was awesome that way Jul 12 16:12:45 i had that a couple of times it annoyed the feck out of me - yet another reason why i dont like vmware Jul 12 16:12:51 rest in pieces old mouse Jul 12 16:13:13 vmware sucks Jul 12 16:13:21 I hate controlling that shit. Jul 12 16:13:30 ok, i called it with dpkg-buildpackage -nc Jul 12 16:13:43 it still failed, but it built everything, lemme paste it Jul 12 16:13:47 if you think vmware sucks, then you've obviously not used Parallels Desktop Jul 12 16:14:42 Well, I've never had a mac ;P Jul 12 16:14:44 *:P Jul 12 16:15:05 http://slexy.org/view/s20verWyaT Jul 12 16:15:11 hmmmm its at make install stage Jul 12 16:15:47 It's running dh_clean again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution. Jul 12 16:16:02 s/It's running dh_clean again/It's running find again/ Jul 12 16:16:03 qwerty12 meant: It's running find again, I'd just comment out the dh_clean -k line but maybe's there's a cleaner solution. Jul 12 16:16:31 yeah i guess installing a gnu find or patching dh_clean Jul 12 16:16:38 or both :) Jul 12 16:16:55 but i think it ignored the error, the final line this time Jul 12 16:16:55 # Jul 12 16:17:04 make: *** [install] Error 1 Jul 12 16:17:13 last time it failed at [clean] stage Jul 12 16:17:24 But it still doesn't make the deb when a process fails. Jul 12 16:17:49 * lcuk copies folder into vmware and sees what happens Jul 12 16:18:08 It will work in vmware (hopefully) because that POS busybox won't be found on there :) Jul 12 16:18:39 but i tohught vmware was a mirror of the actual env Jul 12 16:18:47 or rather scratchbox Jul 12 16:19:10 But scratchbox uses a full find. Jul 12 16:23:44 well it builds faster on my big pc but it still has errors Jul 12 16:24:29 * lcuk for once wishes he had installshield for this machine Jul 12 16:24:37 * lcuk ducks Jul 12 16:24:45 installshield for a deb package?!? >.< Jul 12 16:26:22 Anyways, my scratchbox is alive so if you want a full find, let me know. Jul 12 16:28:21 but how will i replace the one in busybox? Jul 12 16:28:53 I just use a bit of postinst magic Jul 12 16:29:27 then young harry potter. work your magic please :) Jul 12 16:30:13 lcuk: you could put a gnu find name gfind in /usr/local/bin Jul 12 16:30:19 and change dh_clean to use gfind Jul 12 16:30:27 lol Jul 12 16:30:30 that would not affect things that might rely on the busybox find Jul 12 16:30:35 jott's got a point actually. Jul 12 16:31:07 busybox things should not be inconsistent with full versions, usually? Jul 12 16:31:16 Just lacks some features? Jul 12 16:31:25 "usually" :) Jul 12 16:31:39 imho, busybox is broken if they are ;) Jul 12 16:32:19 yeah well define "full version"... Jul 12 16:32:41 gnu proprietary extensions? ;) Jul 12 16:32:50 or changes Jul 12 16:33:20 anyway, in general it *should* be safe to replace a busybox tool with a gnu one Jul 12 16:33:29 * qwerty12 rmmod's pcspkr before I end up getting a crowbar to my computer out of insanity. Jul 12 16:33:35 ok jott, im in dh_clean now, you think replace the single instance of "complex_doit("find . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ............." with "complex_doit("dfind . $find_options \\( \\( -type f -a ........." Jul 12 16:33:39 otoh it's always safer to just leave it.. Jul 12 16:33:40 hmmf. You're right. this isn't that easy ;) Normally, I'd say "go with the gnu version", or even make a "busybox-gnu" and a "busybox-bsd" as different versions ;) Jul 12 16:33:46 and get full find installed as dfind Jul 12 16:34:11 yeah i think that should do Jul 12 16:34:27 i would name it gfind (as in gnu find) Jul 12 16:34:32 seems logical, obviously when i reinstall it'll screw me up again Jul 12 16:34:33 but thats just semantics ;) Jul 12 16:34:50 Hmmf. I hate hotels with an "inquiri form" for ordering. Jul 12 16:35:25 never know whether or not it's safe to wait for an answer (or whether I've actually ordered, or....). Jul 12 16:37:26 hang on, can i just screw dh_clean out of the equation on this and leave it as a blank script Jul 12 16:38:00 lcuk: well you *could* but you *might* end up with packages with temp files etc Jul 12 16:38:20 its one package and ill just vape as required Jul 12 16:38:24 hmm busybox find does not have -exec ?!..strange Jul 12 16:38:29 i dont do full building of lots of things Jul 12 16:38:41 acutally it should Jul 12 16:38:51 jott, surely you were not surprised? Jul 12 16:39:26 that nokias version does not have it?! ;) Jul 12 16:40:16 dunno why it wouldn't, nokia's diff has +CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC=y Jul 12 16:40:41 Ahh, it doesn't have it set later. Jul 12 16:40:46 +# CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC is not set Jul 12 16:41:31 that probably saved gigs of space :) Jul 12 16:42:20 hehe, I once installed coreutils on here but the segfaults when doing simple things like ls -la would drive me crazy. Jul 12 16:42:41 hehe, itt is in full blown diablo hate mode Jul 12 16:43:05 most of the people on itt don't know shit about diablo. Jul 12 16:43:22 I was using it for weeks and weeks before and didn't find any install problems. Jul 12 16:43:34 Then again, diablo extras wasn't populated then. Jul 12 16:43:44 yep, cant figure out how to enable chinook extras Jul 12 16:44:47 Some people say to make the distribution line : "diablo chinook" but I had a fun time restoring when I did that. I just duplicate the maemo extras entry and make the distribution chinook. Jul 12 16:45:16 this does not work - i tries Jul 12 16:45:20 tried Jul 12 16:46:17 adding both extras (chinook and default) seems to work though Jul 12 16:54:33 I have recently been diagnosed with Esophageal cancer which defiled all equipment Jul 12 16:54:47 What a wonderful spam.... Jul 12 16:55:57 defiled, mhm Jul 12 16:57:10 defiled all equipment? eew Jul 12 17:12:18 It is actually the best outcome one can think off Jul 12 17:12:56 Evil cancer eats poor nigerian spammer alive and defiles that internet cafe he is spamming from Jul 12 17:29:11 re Jul 12 17:29:54 note to self.. don't test dsme communication by sending DSME_REQUEST_REBOOT Jul 12 17:29:54 :P Jul 12 17:30:03 heh Jul 12 17:30:09 what did you think would happen? Jul 12 17:30:31 hehe Jul 12 17:30:41 johnx: i assumed my code would just break, but it didn't :> Jul 12 17:30:50 * Stskeeps continues playing Jul 12 17:30:57 yeah, I've been in those situations too :D Jul 12 17:31:00 * qwerty12 wants libdsme :/ Jul 12 17:31:10 no way this will work...it worked, crap Jul 12 17:31:40 qwerty12: why, though? the protocol is so dead simple Jul 12 17:31:41 :P Jul 12 17:31:47 * Stskeeps is writing a dsme-dbus-proxy atm Jul 12 17:32:09 hehe, I can tell, the powerlaunch guy reversed it too :) Jul 12 17:32:16 But I want to recompile mce :( Jul 12 17:32:22 (even if it is an old version) Jul 12 17:32:38 you can prolly do it by making your own dsme.h .. the prototypes are pretty obvious Jul 12 17:33:14 I need cal.h too. Infact, I'd <3 for cal.h Jul 12 17:33:27 ah Jul 12 17:34:37 Maybe the authentication system will break on garage and I'll be able to get into https://garage.maemo.org/svn/dsm . Jul 12 17:34:44 Then I'll wake up from my dream. Jul 12 17:35:58 has anyone experienced significantly less battery time with Diablo? its almost like it never enters "power save" mode, except that it powers down the screen.. i get like a few hours of battery even if no apps are running, and i dont use it .. with chinook, it could run for days in that state Jul 12 17:36:26 Blastur, install htop and watch for modest suddenly going crazy and soaking up 100% CPU time Jul 12 17:37:01 oh, okay Jul 12 17:37:43 having said that I had a power drain problem today without that being the cause Jul 12 17:37:54 I'll have to wait for it to happen again and investigate Jul 12 17:38:25 maybe I'll rig something up to calculate the power loss rate and flash the LED or something if it's really high Jul 12 17:39:21 johnx, the problem is, you dont know its happening until you slide the keyboard open and it doesnt come alive as usual Jul 12 17:39:23 woo. dsme wants to talk to me :) Jul 12 17:39:39 give it an middle finger form me Jul 12 17:39:42 from even Jul 12 17:39:47 hehe Jul 12 17:40:03 lcuk, yeah I do, if I check the charge level every 5 minutes or so (with a script) and blink the LED if it's high Jul 12 17:40:23 * johnx scripts Jul 12 17:41:53 have it playback a sample when it detects unusual current draw. "ALERT: UNUSUAL POWER ACTIVITY" Jul 12 17:42:17 record yourself saying that, send me the .wav and it's a deal :D Jul 12 17:42:29 lol Jul 12 17:42:36 ALERT: NORTHERNER ACCENT Jul 12 17:43:02 my phone does similar, when it detects its nearly dead it puts the screen on max warns me that its nearly dead plays a bing and whacks qwerty12 around the head Jul 12 17:43:11 off topic: i have a weird linux problem: my laptop freezes (even playback of mp3s, cursor, any processes in fact) until a key is pressed or mouse is moved. happens with ubuntu & openSUSE - where should I start to look? never seen anything like this in 9 years of linux. Jul 12 17:43:35 lcuk, right, but this is an early warning "WARNING: IF THIS KEEPS UP THE BATTERY WILL BE DONE IN 3 HOURS" Jul 12 17:43:56 gpd, first place is dmesg Jul 12 17:44:03 check for things about IRQs Jul 12 17:44:20 for me thats no good - its when im asleep - so in the middle of the night i will see strange lights and hear strange sirens and think we have been invaded by aliens Jul 12 17:44:33 lcuk, plug it the heck in while you're asleep! Jul 12 17:44:44 johnx: yeah - that was my thought too - there are some messages about irqs actually - will check them out thanks. Jul 12 17:44:52 lcuk, you don't have outlets in your bedroom? Jul 12 17:45:05 no, the charger is near the computer not the bed. i charge whenever im in front of the computer Jul 12 17:45:28 gpd, on my immediate suspect list is: power saving, acpi, and apic Jul 12 17:45:39 i leave the charger here because i know wifi drains it so i keep it topped up whilst coding Jul 12 17:46:16 maybe get another charger? Jul 12 17:46:20 but when i go to bed i take it to sketch and read and most nights its fine. just occasionally i wake and its dead Jul 12 17:46:31 johnx: it occurs after about 2 seconds of no typing / mouse - and the freeze is not absolute - if an mp3 is playing it comes back for a split second after about 20 seconds... does that give any more clue? the dmesg suggests pci=routeirq - will try that. Jul 12 17:46:32 no, 9 nights out of 10 its fine Jul 12 17:46:33 I just pull mine from the outlet by my desk and throw it on my bed Jul 12 17:46:44 i wake up and battery is same place as it was Jul 12 17:46:49 on normal days Jul 12 17:46:54 on others however its dead Jul 12 17:47:05 lcuk, you turn off wifi while you sleep? Jul 12 17:47:16 yes 100% Jul 12 17:47:30 i close everything i had open, i disable wifi and unplug. Jul 12 17:47:34 are you on diablo or do you use modest for mail? Jul 12 17:47:47 the act of unplugging makes my acmonitor switch the cpu back to ondemand (customised to do this) Jul 12 17:47:54 nice trick Jul 12 17:48:00 im still in chinook and have never setup any mail Jul 12 17:48:06 and i have wifi set to fully manual Jul 12 17:48:32 when i plug back into power acmonitor knocks it back up to performance as well :) its sweet Jul 12 17:49:16 still, I need performance while on the go :/ Jul 12 17:49:26 i can switch whenever i want from liqbase Jul 12 17:49:37 anyways, I'll look at maybe making a graph of power drain like KC did when he was writing kcbatt Jul 12 17:49:42 its just an option :) but so i dont forget i have acmonitor to act for me Jul 12 17:49:54 maybe I'll have it take a reading and record the apps running at the time Jul 12 17:50:21 a few people have looked at this johnx, there is a very recent thread where someone monitored Jul 12 17:50:32 ah, good, I'll ask for his script Jul 12 17:50:40 * johnx searches ITT once more... Jul 12 17:50:43 it didnt look like cpu was the problem, im tempted to think some hardware isnt being shutdown cleanly and carrying on draining Jul 12 17:51:09 still, I want a rough graph, all the time and an early warning Jul 12 17:51:23 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201652#post201652 Jul 12 17:51:27 thanks Jul 12 17:51:39 the whole thread has more, thats just the latest mail i got Jul 12 17:53:02 awesome thread! Jul 12 17:53:30 yer, lots of discussion and action Jul 12 17:53:32 I've been ignoring battery threads cause usually it's a lot of arm-chair theorists and cargo-cult beliefs Jul 12 17:55:07 no, people actually discussing howto identify and work out what the actual problem is Jul 12 17:55:29 hmm...starts getting ideas :D Jul 12 17:56:20 Hi Jul 12 17:56:27 how's everyone? Jul 12 17:56:41 pretty good Jul 12 17:56:54 I suppose from that I could say that running a top log fixed my problem! Jul 12 17:56:54 *all hail the mighty top log* ;) Jul 12 17:56:54 and you? Jul 12 17:56:56 my head hurts after lcuk's phone whacked it Jul 12 17:57:03 but fine otherwise Jul 12 17:57:11 :) Jul 12 17:57:21 I'm wondering Jul 12 17:57:47 with advance backlight, how do you get the rotate options? Jul 12 17:58:06 You have to install the xserver-xomap and kernel with rotation. Jul 12 17:58:09 Chinook or Diablo? Jul 12 17:58:16 diablo Jul 12 17:58:27 you need a kernel that enables rotation? that's annoying Jul 12 17:59:19 GDeNSo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=201252&postcount=157 Jul 12 17:59:28 summatusmentis, better than needing to solder on a rotation chip Jul 12 18:00:17 johnx hi again Jul 12 18:00:18 lcuk: well, yeah, but... there's no general software way to do it? Jul 12 18:00:24 hi Italodance Jul 12 18:00:43 johnx my omweather has only 5 icons for saturday to wednesday Jul 12 18:00:51 what can i do for 7 days? Jul 12 18:00:57 it's noprmal... Jul 12 18:00:58 well is quim around? Jul 12 18:01:02 summatusmentis, not generically, you need to talk to the omapfb to do it - i believe its possible to get single programs rotated but thats not the same Jul 12 18:01:07 hi pupnik Jul 12 18:01:16 hi Italodance, lcuk Jul 12 18:01:27 hi pupnik, probably best mailing him Jul 12 18:01:46 i'm sure he has done all he can Jul 12 18:01:56 Italodance, there is no way to get info for 7 days now. Jul 12 18:01:59 johnx visible items is only for 5 and not for 7... Jul 12 18:02:01 so am i - its inside the cogs of the mighty enterprise Jul 12 18:02:04 lcuk: that's rather bothersome Jul 12 18:02:17 but it is my credit rating that is now getting trashed Jul 12 18:02:31 It's not hard to flash the kernel (less so under diablo) Jul 12 18:02:34 summatusmentis, not really - its expected. the rotation feature was found after lots of work had been done assuming single orientation Jul 12 18:02:59 lcuk, actually I realized I read the beginning of that thread and decided it wasn't worth following Jul 12 18:03:04 johnx so it can show automatically thursday and friday after wednesday later? Jul 12 18:03:08 pupnik, im paying for it as well. interest charges on that hotel bill are worrysome Jul 12 18:03:11 lcuk: sure, I suppose, I'm used to a zaurus, where rotation is easy Jul 12 18:03:34 pupnik what's up dude? any new game? Jul 12 18:03:48 new games and emulators will come later Jul 12 18:03:53 summatusmentis, that's because it's been in the kernel since the beginning :P Jul 12 18:04:18 lol johnx, so like a good wine the thread got better with age Jul 12 18:04:19 right now i am looking for nice women :P Jul 12 18:04:30 johnx: hah, I guess that's fair. Jul 12 18:04:41 lol Jul 12 18:04:47 pupnik, nice women will make your credit rating drop more :P Jul 12 18:05:07 true that Jul 12 18:05:09 lol Jul 12 18:05:37 Go on a date to the nearest takeaway and watch as you get slapped :p Jul 12 18:05:44 save yourself the hassle of women, marriage and divorce etc and just buy a random woman from the street a new house Jul 12 18:06:34 in the end it will work out the same just without the emotional hassle :D Jul 12 18:06:46 lcuk, bitter much? Jul 12 18:07:00 qwerty, ive downloaded that package and get an error when tring to install :/ Jul 12 18:07:16 not at all, i am happy with my life and missus and kids Jul 12 18:07:28 i was just talking in general Jul 12 18:07:42 qwerty12 * Jul 12 18:07:54 i want some new cool backgrounds....someone has? Jul 12 18:08:03 qwerty12, some women will really enjoy it if you take them somewhere upmarket (like mcdonalds) Jul 12 18:08:11 lcuk, ah, like a lottery winner saying "Don't play the lottery." :D Jul 12 18:08:25 GDeNSo, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 ( don't install rotate-sb-plugin) Jul 12 18:08:25 lol Jul 12 18:08:36 lcuk, cool, where can I find a woman like that? Jul 12 18:09:00 i wouldv thought all the chavs down your way would lap that kind of stuff up Jul 12 18:09:10 hell, you can even go through the drivethrough on your bmx Jul 12 18:09:18 That's true, Essex, here I come! Jul 12 18:10:04 oi! Jul 12 18:10:34 ezi now bruv, I gave you another link :P Jul 12 18:11:54 1 Jul 12 18:11:57 2 Jul 12 18:12:04 3 Jul 12 18:12:22 qwerty smells of peee Jul 12 18:12:38 ~lart my cat Jul 12 18:12:39 * infobot takes a big bite out of my cat's jugular vein Jul 12 18:13:41 thanks qwerty12 :) Jul 12 18:13:46 poor cat... Jul 12 18:15:15 Hi all Jul 12 18:15:26 hey jott:) Jul 12 18:15:59 itolodance, go on flickr and search up my username Jul 12 18:16:02 hello GNUton, i nearly finished comboboxes :) Jul 12 18:16:09 I have some up there Jul 12 18:16:47 jott: absolutely great! :)! Jul 12 18:17:17 gtk is such a pita when it comes to theming... Jul 12 18:17:23 Italodance, wallpaper: http://obukhoff.su/photos/index.php?cat=2 Jul 12 18:17:23 GDeNSo ok! Jul 12 18:17:38 Anybody remember the memory usage calculation bug number? Jul 12 18:17:39 tnx johnx :D Jul 12 18:19:28 jott: pita? what is this? Jul 12 18:19:38 pain in the a.. Jul 12 18:19:40 pain in the a** :) Jul 12 18:19:45 ah ok! :) Jul 12 18:20:15 okay.. save_unsaved_data_ind comes from DSME .. what does this normally mean? dsme noticing battery running out? terrorist attack? Jul 12 18:20:18 :P Jul 12 18:21:47 that gets sent using dbus, libosso uses it Jul 12 18:22:11 yeah, but it originates from dsme it seems Jul 12 18:22:21 yeah :) Jul 12 18:22:22 (like, from the root) Jul 12 18:23:26 "Maemo applications can connect to listen the system D-BUS messages, like "bat- Jul 12 18:23:26 tery low" and "shutdown". When these messages are received, the application Jul 12 18:23:26 may want to ask the user to save files that are open, or react however wanted." Jul 12 18:23:35 k Jul 12 18:26:05 crashanddie: no - that's what happens when a package has a build dependency which cannot be met, which is fairly odd for an upstream debian package but not impossible Jul 12 18:26:25 /MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER mouser- icqhyqerbjgt Jul 12 18:26:46 ^^ Jul 12 18:26:49 wrong window :/ Jul 12 18:26:59 that's unfortunate... Jul 12 18:27:01 nope, right window :P Jul 12 18:27:03 ^^ Jul 12 18:27:06 haha Jul 12 18:27:10 eep. Jul 12 18:27:20 * GeneralAntilles is tired of idiocy. Jul 12 18:27:31 Is there a pdf of "Maemo 4.1 API references". i don't want to use httrack but by God if I have to... Jul 12 18:27:37 GeneralAntilles, a specific thread? or just idiocy in general? Jul 12 18:27:46 Better here than #ubuntu, I guess. Jul 12 18:28:06 In general really, but the "bugzilla sux" thread in particular right now. Jul 12 18:29:10 *sigh* Jul 12 18:31:14 * johnx tries to think of the most helpful info to log for battery tests Jul 12 18:31:54 "does my battery be gud?" Jul 12 18:32:05 johnx, apparent voltage is stupid, because it mostly depends on the current drain Jul 12 18:32:07 thank you GeneralAntilles :P Jul 12 18:32:34 johnx, what exactly do you want to test ? It's exact mAh value ? Jul 12 18:32:35 its** Jul 12 18:33:02 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/dsme.py.txt <- if anyone wants to see DSME communication code done in Python Jul 12 18:33:05 I guess I should rephrase that to "power usage logging" Jul 12 18:34:26 Thanks Stskeeps Jul 12 18:36:27 bleh Jul 12 18:36:32 I'm off to change the mouse Jul 12 18:44:21 isn't it possible to go 'true' full screen in micro b anymore? if i hit fullscreen, the url bar still remains at the bottom Jul 12 18:44:48 You can disable that bar from the view menu Jul 12 18:44:55 ^ Jul 12 18:49:05 ah, great Jul 12 18:49:06 thanks Jul 12 18:58:13 GNUton: what do you think about something along the line of http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt ? Jul 12 19:03:51 in which repo can I find perl 5.8.3-3osso9? Jul 12 19:03:56 it's installed in the scratchbox, but the n810 tries and fails to install -3osso7 (while perl-base is already at -3osso9) Jul 12 19:04:12 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/perl/ Jul 12 19:04:41 qwerty12: thanks Jul 12 19:04:48 * pH5 checks sources.list.d again Jul 12 19:05:06 np Jul 12 19:15:19 terrific, that's referenced from the diablo sdk repository Jul 12 19:20:09 buncha nothing going on? Jul 12 19:21:11 you missed everything Jul 12 19:21:14 :P Jul 12 19:21:25 Medic119, if you have been here 5 minutes ago you wouldnt have said that Jul 12 19:21:30 johnx, it was wild wasnt it Jul 12 19:21:38 I'm so glad I was here. Jul 12 19:21:40 Had to update my kernel..lol Jul 12 19:22:56 lcuk, pure madness. I'm almost glad it settled down O_o Jul 12 19:23:09 I'm getting configure errors for openafs that says the /usr/include/linux aren't valid kernel headers. Is there another path besides getting the RC kernel? Jul 12 19:23:22 oops, OX kernel Jul 12 19:23:27 ugh, RX kernel Jul 12 19:23:34 maybe a symlink? Jul 12 19:23:45 aren't there kernel headers available? Jul 12 19:24:30 do I need the RX package or is there a different package Jul 12 19:25:42 I honestly don't remember off the top of my head Jul 12 19:25:53 there's a little howto for building modules I think, though Jul 12 19:26:13 where? Jul 12 19:26:22 http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html Jul 12 19:28:00 thanks Jul 12 19:28:51 ok, so I do need the kernel source deb. How do I specify that in my deb control file? Jul 12 19:30:00 Edgester: you only need the kernel-source deb for building, not to install on the tablet afterwards. Jul 12 19:30:28 I understand that, but I have to tell the autobuilder to make the kernel source deb available Jul 12 19:30:38 during the build Jul 12 19:31:00 aaah...sorry, that's a little beyond my experience Jul 12 19:31:11 mine too Jul 12 19:31:52 There's a Build-Depends: in the debian/control Jul 12 19:32:18 ya, I had to use that to make krb5 build in the autobuilder Jul 12 19:32:24 I'm not sure, but if I made an autobuilder, I'd make it look there :) Jul 12 19:32:55 then, can't you just Build-Depend on kernel-source ? Jul 12 19:33:14 rebooting, brb Jul 12 19:33:23 not sure, but would I need to build the kernel as well? Jul 12 19:33:37 no. Jul 12 19:33:56 but you might need a configure'd kernel-build-three. Jul 12 19:34:52 hmmm, probably Jul 12 19:35:05 not sure about this, but you might want to dissect another *something*-modules package. Doesn't have to be for maemo, can be for another Debian-based Linux. Jul 12 19:35:38 I'd guess it's quite similar. Jul 12 19:35:51 sounds good Jul 12 19:35:55 thanks! Jul 12 19:36:16 you're welcome. Jul 12 19:44:16 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! the normal openafs debian packages just include the module source Jul 12 20:42:31 should panscan work with the maemo mplayer? I cant seem to get it working Jul 12 20:44:06 jott: kinetic list view looks great! :) Jul 12 20:44:40 jott: have you tried it on your device? Jul 12 20:44:51 * lcuk2 perks Jul 12 20:45:24 GNUton, kinetic scrolling in what? Jul 12 20:45:47 http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt ? Jul 12 20:46:58 ahhh coo, how well does it run on our hardware? Jul 12 20:47:00 l Jul 12 20:47:02 lcuk2: you can download and try the demo in the tarball Jul 12 20:47:09 Qt kinetic would likely fit in well with Fremantle. ;) Jul 12 20:47:42 kinetic isnt very advanced to do, but to look good it needs rendering speed Jul 12 20:47:55 agreed GeneralAntilles Jul 12 20:48:11 What with all the little hints that've been dropped all over. Jul 12 20:48:33 http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt Jul 12 20:49:17 How many lcuk there are in this room ? :P Jul 12 20:49:24 i need desktop -> 810 copy paste facility Jul 12 20:49:32 gnuton, that was my 810 Jul 12 20:49:40 lcuk: ssh? Jul 12 20:49:55 lcuk: are you using xchat? Jul 12 20:50:13 it probably would use it yer, but i just wanna right click on something and essentially sendto my810 Jul 12 20:50:17 yes Jul 12 20:51:33 lcuk: you're on windows right? I don't think there's a way to use FUSE, but if there is, you should look into sshfs for easy file manager access Jul 12 20:51:52 shhhhhhh Jul 12 20:52:13 i use winscp normally Jul 12 20:52:13 summatus: there's some ssh-filemanagers for Windows that gives you cut&paste-things. Jul 12 20:52:17 but its just extra things Jul 12 20:52:28 "extra" things? Jul 12 20:52:44 yer, having it all automatic and dropped into the right place Jul 12 20:52:55 like webshortcuts automatically dropped into favorites Jul 12 20:52:58 mmm. Then you need an sshfs for Windows. Jul 12 20:53:37 or something. Jul 12 20:53:48 yer, the transport layer is but one part of it Jul 12 20:54:01 dunno, perhaps there's an easy way to make such functionality as you want. Jul 12 20:54:05 its configuring where and how to send content over and get it to the expected place on the destination end Jul 12 20:54:11 dunno, cause I don't windows. Jul 12 20:54:30 nor do i - the concept is identical whether main desktop is windows linux mac or another 8x0 Jul 12 20:54:31 (hmm, I don't *know* windows was what I meant to say) Jul 12 20:54:45 i have a link or file or data on this machine and i want it directly on my 810 Jul 12 20:55:20 sftp would be really simple. Jul 12 20:55:52 Transmit gives me an icon that I can just drop stuff I want sent to the N800 on. Jul 12 20:56:32 well. for Linux, I guess it'd depend on which desktop-environment you are in, but Gnome/Evolution-things, I guess it'd be possible to make what you want. If i needed it, I'd dive into the gnome filesystem/Evolution things and have a look. Jul 12 21:00:08 GeneralAntilles: what is kinetic in Freemantle? Jul 12 21:00:21 GNUton, seems like there might be a lot. Jul 12 21:00:29 m-vo, mentioned something about Application manager Jul 12 21:00:39 there's a couple svn commits for MicroB for it. Jul 12 21:00:48 fremantle will have nice and powerful 3d rendering and it wont be outside the realms of possiblity that we can do whatever we want Jul 12 21:00:56 Ha Jul 12 21:00:58 Whatever we want. Jul 12 21:01:18 we can now, but rendering it is like getting postcards Jul 12 21:01:26 1frame per day Jul 12 21:01:33 :) Jul 12 21:01:48 * lcuk strokes liqbase Jul 12 21:02:25 for this kinetic thing in python do i need any extra libes Jul 12 21:02:29 of is efl available? Jul 12 21:02:55 ie, is it worth hassle of downloading each file Jul 12 21:03:57 GNUton: the demo runs nice on the n810 Jul 12 21:04:15 jott, the python elf one or the converted qt one? Jul 12 21:04:23 the qt one Jul 12 21:04:30 the elf one probably too Jul 12 21:04:38 damn, i ran out of space installing Jul 12 21:04:47 (qt i mean) Jul 12 21:04:48 jott: good! Jul 12 21:05:04 GNUton: but that's just a proof of concept ;) Jul 12 21:05:21 would be great to have a common widgetset that is reusable for this task Jul 12 21:05:28 jott, can you video and show off your new fun Jul 12 21:05:54 lcuk: not that amazing, just a list scrolling ;) Jul 12 21:06:13 would be neat to put this in arora.. Jul 12 21:06:18 jott, ive seen scrolling in most forms on this device Jul 12 21:06:25 its like hellow world of rendering capabilities Jul 12 21:06:29 hello even Jul 12 21:06:31 hehe Jul 12 21:07:17 jott: probably it´s possible put the code in the QScrollArea... so all widget can use it.. Jul 12 21:07:21 looks smooth but tears of course Jul 12 21:07:23 the kinetics will most likely be embedded in a standard listbox before too long jott Jul 12 21:07:34 GNUton: yeah that's what i was thinking of.. Jul 12 21:08:34 lcuk: yeah well that's the point of providing a common way of doing things.. ;) Jul 12 21:08:40 ok I could try to integrate it tomorrow... Jul 12 21:08:44 i.e. provide a widget that everybody should use or already uses Jul 12 21:09:00 :P Jul 12 21:10:11 * lcuk thought every single textbox and label was manually constructed from base code every time Jul 12 21:10:20 by the way this night probably the first exprimental packages of a hildonized version of Qt should be available... Jul 12 21:11:22 GNUton: you push them directly to extra-devel? Jul 12 21:12:18 no, i don´t Jul 12 21:13:00 they should be available by qt4 on garage. Jul 12 21:13:35 yeah probably too experimental at the moment ;) Jul 12 21:13:46 yes. Jul 12 21:14:00 did you fix the menu bug? Jul 12 21:15:28 not yet. Today I spent my time to draw some inserts for the master degree of my girlfriend.. Jul 12 21:16:20 Hey another gnu* :P Jul 12 21:16:40 That one's a luser. ;) Jul 12 21:19:13 ;) Jul 12 21:20:19 is " GeneralAntilles" a pirate nick? Jul 12 21:20:36 Pirate? Jul 12 21:20:55 or ninja? :P Jul 12 21:20:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_Antilles Jul 12 21:22:32 GeneralAntilles sounds like "Pirate of caribbean" :) Jul 12 21:22:37 nick Jul 12 21:22:57 <_< Jul 12 21:23:23 hah your parents where killed by pirates GeneralAntilles :P Jul 12 21:24:54 Antilles are a beautiful islands.. it´s sound like General Hawaii! :P Jul 12 21:24:57 ahha :) Jul 12 21:26:14 great, so you can change your away nick in "GeneralHawaii" :P Jul 12 21:27:15 In Italian "away" and "Hawaii" have the same pronuciation. Jul 12 21:27:27 Hehe, my "away" nick is GAN800, since that's always in my pocket. ;) Jul 12 21:27:43 :) Jul 12 21:28:08 GeneralAntilles: where are you from? UK? Jul 12 21:28:14 Florida, USA Jul 12 21:29:02 is it beautiful? I´m never been in US. Jul 12 21:29:40 It's a little bit of everything. Jul 12 21:29:44 Coastal areas are nice. Jul 12 21:29:53 Inland it's hot, humid, and filled with mosquitos. Jul 12 21:30:13 Florida is very . . . flat. Jul 12 21:30:34 The women there? Jul 12 21:30:39 aarrghh... so it´s not a beautiful place to live :P Jul 12 21:31:34 hellwolf, bit of a one-track mind? Jul 12 21:31:43 GeneralAntilles: just a curiosity.. "Miami" in italian means "Do you love me?" Jul 12 21:31:49 unfortunately, my interest in going to US has been lowered the last years because of US politics the last five years. A pity, because I know it doesn't represent the view of all people in US. Jul 12 21:32:11 GNUton: italian? Jul 12 21:32:26 yes, I´m italian. Jul 12 21:32:33 where? Jul 12 21:32:36 Miami is a bit of a hell hole. Jul 12 21:32:40 in Italy Jul 12 21:32:41 :) Jul 12 21:32:54 well, obviously. but where in Italy ;) Jul 12 21:32:56 Any gangsters in FL? Jul 12 21:33:07 By what definition? Jul 12 21:33:16 drug dealers etc Jul 12 21:33:20 (please say yes) Jul 12 21:33:21 Yes. Jul 12 21:33:24 Miami especially. Jul 12 21:33:27 Lots and lots. Jul 12 21:33:29 theres vice Jul 12 21:33:36 W00t, thank you. Time to get me a ticket... Jul 12 21:33:40 Pfft Jul 12 21:33:48 qwerty12's gonna get his ass murdered. Jul 12 21:34:10 Veggen: a, ok, I was born and grown up in Apulia ("Puglia"), near bari Jul 12 21:34:18 How's that, I teach them to break into computer networks :P Jul 12 21:34:28 Murdered. Jul 12 21:34:32 Hack Jul 12 21:34:38 ah, never been to the south-east. yet :) Jul 12 21:35:00 GNUton, if you leave italy, do you stop being italian? :P Jul 12 21:35:07 qwerty12, that is what would happen to you if you attempted to infultrate the criminal underworld Jul 12 21:35:11 HACK HACK HACK Jul 12 21:35:16 Veggen: If you come back in Italy you must visit the "Salento" Jul 12 21:35:31 Hehe Jul 12 21:35:34 tubbs and crocket would come n kick your ass Jul 12 21:35:47 GNUton: going to Italy monday, actually. But to the alps, this time. Jul 12 21:36:14 south-east would be to warm for me now, I guess :) Jul 12 21:36:30 Veggen: Are you german? Jul 12 21:36:40 no, I'm norwegian. Jul 12 21:36:59 Veggen: ok. :) Jul 12 21:37:25 what´s the most beautiful place to visit in norway? Jul 12 21:37:53 all of it Jul 12 21:37:58 GNUton: Depends if you like cities, mountains or sea :) Jul 12 21:38:04 lcuk, talking from experience? Jul 12 21:38:31 and yes, of course you can have all of it in the same day. Jul 12 21:38:36 yes qwerty12, ive only got one leg and im missing my remaining kneecap Jul 12 21:39:05 lcuk, come to the east end, I'll break the other leg :p Jul 12 21:43:21 * lcuk quivers Jul 12 21:57:52 GNUton: btw, i also have an arora package here. works actually quite nice. Jul 12 22:06:34 jott: do you have packaged aurora? Could you upload the packages in diablo/extra? Jul 12 22:07:08 GNUton: not without having qt in diablo/extra :/ Jul 12 22:08:01 it will available in few minutes.. don´t worry.. Jul 12 22:32:22 what is auroro? :) Jul 12 22:32:26 a* Jul 12 22:35:27 GDeNSo: a browser based on (qt)webkit Jul 12 22:35:53 ah Jul 12 22:36:31 GDeNSo: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/acid3.png Jul 12 22:37:35 oh nice, it's tabbed! Jul 12 22:38:08 yep.. very promising ;) Jul 12 22:41:46 * RST38h quickly ported VGB to Maemo Jul 12 22:42:04 did not compile it yet though :) Jul 12 22:44:52 cool :). i'm still using gnuboy for my gb fix Jul 12 22:45:31 not for long now... Jul 12 22:53:49 hohoho, abiword beta is out Jul 12 22:54:16 probably too big to install over the air though Jul 12 22:58:16 anybody knows what consequences of adding extras-devel repo are? Jul 12 22:58:37 will it break any apps? Jul 12 23:03:43 possibly Jul 12 23:03:43 Canola, maybe. Jul 12 23:03:47 Well, Chinook Canola Jul 12 23:03:53 But only during the initial install. Jul 12 23:04:09 re Jul 12 23:04:20 Well, Extras-devel being what it is, that situation can change at any moment. ;) Jul 12 23:04:43 The biggest issue is pulling in newer dependencies than, say, ones in Extras and causing potential breakage tehre. Jul 12 23:06:00 does anyone know if I can run "apt-get source" from within the autobuilder? Jul 12 23:06:12 Er Jul 12 23:06:17 What are you trying to do? Jul 12 23:06:37 I'm trying to modify the openafs package to work with the autobuilder Jul 12 23:06:53 If you need something to build, then it should be a build-dependency available from Extras, Extra-devel or the SDK repository. Jul 12 23:07:04 it needs the kernel headers, which are only available as a source package Jul 12 23:07:45 can build-depends pull a source package? Jul 12 23:07:51 Dunno Jul 12 23:07:52 I would think Jul 12 23:08:16 well, the main debian stuff has kernel-source as a binary package, I think Jul 12 23:10:25 RST38h, you wont have any problems installing AbiWord from devel. Jul 12 23:13:44 Edgester: the kernel-diablo-headers contains the kernel headers Jul 12 23:21:18 jott: I´m uploading the experimental Qt4 packages and their dependencies in Qt4.garage. Jul 12 23:23:05 I´m very very tired.. Jul 12 23:23:15 good night people!!! Jul 12 23:23:21 night jott! Jul 12 23:24:12 lol Jul 12 23:24:17 AbiWord is still a bit . . . beta Jul 12 23:24:29 It completely captured the system trying to drag a text snippet. Jul 12 23:27:17 GNUton: nice.. and good night! :) Jul 12 23:40:47 :'( Jul 12 23:42:35 What is it with bad luck with mice these days ? Jul 12 23:43:21 A few days ago, my faithful MX 1000 drowns in a pool of petrol, the first bluetooth mouse I buy is useless because even barely scrolling makes it middle click, and now this one won't pair with ubuntu... DJEEZUS Jul 12 23:43:52 hellwolf, n8001 ? Wow... That's futuristic ! Jul 12 23:44:48 pidgin's name candidates rule is funny Jul 13 00:27:49 hmm, i get asked if i want to go out of offline mode when opening the browser or in some other way try to go online, then i get a message saying it could not find any saved connections. what is that about? Jul 13 00:28:10 what saved connections? Jul 13 00:28:11 There's a bug Jul 13 00:28:17 figures Jul 13 00:28:27 ICD got a pretty major overhaul for Diablo Jul 13 00:28:40 Probably wasn't tested as thoroughly as it should've been. Jul 13 00:28:46 But there's something funky with saved connections Jul 13 00:29:10 nokia seriously need to open up as much as possible of the maemo development, this is just silly... Jul 13 00:30:25 OPEN SOURCE! OPEN SOURCE! OPEN SOURCE! Jul 13 00:30:38 * rm_you marches around in front of Nokia headquarters with an Open Source is Life banner Jul 13 00:30:44 t_s_o, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 Jul 13 00:30:59 :P Jul 13 00:31:19 * lcuk waves at rm_you Jul 13 00:31:56 i thought i recognised you by the chanting i could hear Jul 13 00:33:43 :P Jul 13 00:34:42 sometimes i wish that app manager had a way to just yank anything depending on what im trying to remove... Jul 13 00:36:13 t_s_o: what about apt-get remove from a terminal Jul 13 00:36:38 well i guess i could have done that, but i had app manager up so... Jul 13 00:36:49 and didnt feel like digging out the keyboard :P Jul 13 00:42:47 ping RST38h Jul 13 00:43:10 RST38h: (I'm reading the irclog) About Palanga from Wikipedia.... Jul 13 00:43:37 KÄ™stutis took her by force, and with great honor took her Jul 13 00:44:05 back to his capital of Trakai, where he invited his brothers Jul 13 00:44:22 and threw a big wedding...". After KÄ™stutis' murder,... Jul 13 00:44:42 THIS is where you go to for holidays in Lithuania????? Jul 13 00:45:34 Yeow! Jul 13 01:16:10 anyone know why a bluetooth mouse would pair properly on the n810, ps3, macbook, but not on a Linux (Ubuntu) computer ? Jul 13 01:16:46 because linucks sux Jul 13 01:16:54 because its ubuntu Jul 13 01:16:55 s/because/bcaus/ Jul 13 01:16:55 GeneralAntilles meant: bcaus linucks sux Jul 13 01:17:37 anyoone familliar with the application, Synergy? Jul 13 01:18:01 http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ Jul 13 01:18:03 thanks for all that helpful taunting Jul 13 01:18:36 im wondering if its possible to get it going on the n800, although im not at the point to start compiling code Jul 13 01:18:39 yet Jul 13 01:18:55 crashanddie, you sure your bluetooth adapter works in ubuntu? Jul 13 01:18:56 GeneralAntilles: I don't generally agree w/ that statement, but when compared to OS X, yes :) Jul 13 01:19:02 and youhave the proper BT stack installed? Jul 13 01:19:12 Foxx: it had it running under chinook Jul 13 01:19:35 crashanddie, try #ubuntu? :P Jul 13 01:19:36 jott: i saw some info about that, but it led to a lot of dead ends Jul 13 01:19:52 GeneralAntilles, no one's answering in there, they have no clue what I'm talking about Jul 13 01:19:58 well you have to enable the mouse pointer to acutally "use" it ;) Jul 13 01:20:12 crashanddie, what do you expect... the use ubuntu Jul 13 01:20:30 as soon as I say I've been sniffing the traffic, and the mouse doesn't seem to respond to the name resolving, they freak out Jul 13 01:20:36 Foxx: other than that take a look at http://quicksynergy.sourceforge.net/ Jul 13 01:20:37 I've asked in #bluez, no answer there either Jul 13 01:20:45 Foxx: makes the setup really really easy Jul 13 01:20:50 jott: thanks Jul 13 01:20:51 I've tried the latest version of bluez-utils, latest version of libbtctl, no change Jul 13 01:21:17 i use synergy, and i have the n800 sitting on my desk and i figured if i could get it going it may be a bit handy to have Jul 13 01:21:30 but im not holding my breath Jul 13 01:21:57 Foxx: as said, enable the mouse pointer (google, itt has directions somewhere) Jul 13 01:22:01 than it's acutally quite nice Jul 13 01:22:03 then Jul 13 01:22:14 groovy, thanks for the help Jul 13 01:22:21 much appreciated Jul 13 01:22:38 be sure ill be back now and again from the lurking shadows with a lot of annoying questions ;} Jul 13 01:22:56 * jott hides Jul 13 01:23:03 hey, do you know any VNC server that runs on the n800? Jul 13 01:23:24 i know there are plenty of working clients Jul 13 01:23:26 uh Jul 13 01:23:29 x11vnc? Jul 13 01:24:08 im still sinking my claws into the inner workings of the n800 Jul 13 01:24:09 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Jul 13 01:24:17 ill check that out too, thanks Jul 13 01:24:32 man, there arent too many places they help out like this Jul 13 01:24:35 its refreshing Jul 13 01:39:28 * Edgester is sad because openafs requires diablo kernel source and kernel won't compile Jul 13 01:41:31 Edgester: the headers do not suffice? Jul 13 01:41:40 kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work': Jul 13 01:41:42 line 249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available Jul 13 01:41:56 nope, header's aren't enough Jul 13 01:42:47 strange.. Jul 13 01:42:48 I ran "make n800_defconfig" and openafs still won't compile. I think I need a make zImage to get it to work Jul 13 01:42:51 ya Jul 13 01:43:19 maybe look why it wont be happy with headers alone ;) Jul 13 01:43:24 might be just some little quirks Jul 13 01:43:30 it needs files form the scripts folder in the kerne source Jul 13 01:45:26 what an ugly hack :P Jul 13 01:46:13 what script does it need? Jul 13 01:47:35 um, kbuild, I think Jul 13 01:49:18 night Jul 13 01:50:38 lopz: good night Jul 13 01:59:35 Edgester: shouldn't this be done by the Makefile in the kernel dir? Jul 13 02:05:03 jott: not sure Jul 13 02:05:27 jott: I'm still poking around. I might not need a kernel make Jul 13 02:08:21 jott: scratch that, I do need a make Jul 13 02:08:27 * Edgester sighs Jul 13 02:09:32 write a hate-mail to the debian package maintainer ;> Jul 13 02:12:48 to which package maintainer? Jul 13 02:13:39 write hate mail. Jul 13 02:13:45 why? Jul 13 02:14:10 I think openafs must use deep kernel structures Jul 13 02:14:31 I remember that it often breaks and must be fixed when new kernel versions come out Jul 13 02:15:14 the breakage is due to the pioctl()s that they have to insert into the kernel Jul 13 02:15:31 summatusmentis: thanks for the clarification Jul 13 02:15:37 generally patches to kernels are pretty hard to maintain Jul 13 02:16:05 yes, but they can't get the code into the kernel because of license conflicts Jul 13 02:16:50 I'm aware, I'm just saying that's generally why the patches break Jul 13 02:16:57 ya Jul 13 02:18:58 summatusmentis: do you recall where the pioctls are in the linux kernel source tree? Jul 13 02:19:34 even after the maemo kernel compile fails, I have enough compiled to pass the openafs configure tests Jul 13 02:21:30 Edgester: there's nothing in the current linux tree, that's what my porject is Jul 13 02:21:32 project* Jul 13 02:22:30 OpenAFS stores their pioctls in src/afs/afs_pioctl.c Jul 13 02:22:34 if that's helpful Jul 13 02:27:47 Edgester: where does the compile break? Jul 13 02:32:34 trying to compile drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.o Jul 13 02:35:09 this is on the n800? Jul 13 02:35:15 summatusmentis: yes Jul 13 02:35:21 I Jul 13 02:35:26 what's the error message? Jul 13 02:36:29 home/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c: In function `omap2_mcspi_work': Jul 13 02:36:30 home/maemo/afs/kernel-source-diablo/drivers/spi/omap2_mcspi.c:249: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'spi_pause_mutex_lock': function body not available Jul 13 02:38:17 is there a function defined on line 249? Jul 13 02:39:43 yes: static inline void spi_pause_mutex_lock(void); Jul 13 02:40:09 that's the declaration Jul 13 02:40:40 that error message looks like it's declared, but not defined anywhere, whic seems weird to me Jul 13 02:40:51 yes Jul 13 02:41:00 that's what was on line 249 Jul 13 02:41:59 summatusmentis: which project are you working on? Jul 13 02:42:05 kafs? Jul 13 02:42:14 yep Jul 13 02:42:16 k Jul 13 02:42:37 does kafs make all of this pain go away? Jul 13 02:42:45 or supposed to? Jul 13 02:43:05 well, the premise behind kafs is to create an in-kernel afs client Jul 13 02:43:55 I'm writing the pioctl() calls, so that the OpenAFS userspace tools can operate with the kafs code, and not need to provide their own kernle code, I believe Jul 13 02:44:07 * Edgester cheers Jul 13 02:44:42 I'm rather behind, and may not get all the pioctl()s implemented this summer Jul 13 02:45:29 is it a gsoc project? Jul 13 02:45:57 yes Jul 13 02:46:30 hmmm, I hope you can get it done this summer or finish it afterwards Jul 13 02:47:00 I'll finish afterwards, my skillset wasn't great before this summer, so we're re-scoping this project Jul 13 02:47:09 ah Jul 13 02:47:25 I've got a month left, I'm trying to get as much done as possible this summer Jul 13 02:47:42 cool.good luck! Jul 13 02:48:08 well, thanks :) Jul 13 02:49:45 hi simple question Jul 13 02:49:51 where can I delete my old email Jul 13 02:49:55 it's possible that the diablo kernel sources trimmed out functions they decided they didn't need, beause of space constraints Jul 13 02:50:03 what is thepath where the email client store the email on chinook Jul 13 02:50:20 eeeJZA: which email client are you using? Jul 13 02:50:34 Edgester, the defautl one Jul 13 02:50:47 osso-mail or some such thing Jul 13 02:51:09 eeeJZA: I don't know, but try looking in /home/user, maybe in .documents Jul 13 02:51:12 summatusmentis, yeah I want to know where does osso-mail store the email Jul 13 02:51:17 ok Jul 13 02:51:34 I found it once, don't recall where Jul 13 02:51:41 eeeJZA: all user files are under /home/user as far as I konw Jul 13 02:51:52 it's somehwere under /home/user, yes Jul 13 02:52:04 summatusmentis: which nokia tablet do you have? Jul 13 02:52:15 n810, bought it at the workshop :) Jul 13 02:52:37 eeeJZA: check for hidden folders Jul 13 02:52:57 summatusmentis: cool! forgive me, did we meet at the workshop? Jul 13 02:53:15 we did, formally at the social thing. I'm the short kid with dreads :) Jul 13 02:53:41 unless I'm untterly confused as to who you are, but I don't believe so Jul 13 02:55:14 did we meet at the bbq or slates in NY? Jul 13 02:55:24 I think I remember Jul 13 02:55:33 I met too many ppl to remember names Jul 13 02:55:42 Slates Jul 13 02:56:07 I probably had a blue bandanna on Jul 13 02:56:52 cool. I don't see a photo for you on the workshop site Jul 13 02:56:56 oh well Jul 13 02:57:25 I do recall talking with someone at slates with dreads and was doing gsoc Jul 13 02:57:34 r u in high school? Jul 13 02:58:10 Edgester, no luck so far Jul 13 02:58:30 no, this last year was my freshman year Jul 13 02:58:34 eeeJZA: I'm out of ideas. Idon't use the default mail client Jul 13 02:58:52 i guess /var/ could be another place Jul 13 02:58:54 eeeJZA: familiar w/ the command line? Jul 13 02:59:03 summatusmentis, sure Jul 13 02:59:20 ls -a in /home/user Jul 13 02:59:55 I know I see many dot folders, and none look like mail **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 13 02:59:57 2008