**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 14 02:59:56 2008
Jul 14 03:30:49 <mouser-> I'm having some trouble connecting a flash drive or keyboard to the n810 with a f-f USB adapter.  I have a log of dmesg after trying to change the host mode here: www.pastebin.com/m10973c1f
Jul 14 03:50:08 <GAN800> Did a recommended category list ever get farther than -developers?
Jul 14 03:53:10 <Gracana> mouser-,     * Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted
Jul 14 04:00:08 <mouser-> Oh, sorry.  Let me try again, Gracana
Jul 14 04:01:01 <mouser-> Gracana: http://pastebin.com/m10973c1f
Jul 14 04:03:33 <Gracana> Hmm. That might mean something to somebody, but my impression is that it doesn't really tell much about the problem.
Jul 14 04:04:22 <mouser-> Gracana: What would you need?
Jul 14 04:04:53 <Gracana> I dunno. I don't think I can help you, really, I just figured I'd take a look to make sure it wasn't anything too obvious.
Jul 14 04:04:56 <Gracana> Sorry. :/
Jul 14 04:05:16 <HVACengi> welcome to my world
Jul 14 04:06:53 <johnx> mouser-, so, you're sure host mode hasn't been enabled?
Jul 14 04:07:18 <mouser-> That's a new link, HVACengi, with the power messages in it, done immediately after reboot and the only button I pressed was Host in usbcontrol.
Jul 14 04:08:00 <mouser-> johnx: I'm not certain, but it doesn't appear to be - I don't seem to be getting any reaction from the tablet or the devices (keyboard, flash drives) when I connect them.
Jul 14 04:08:28 <mouser-> And I don't get any notification from usbcontrol - it just reports the USB state as b_idle
Jul 14 04:08:33 <johnx> alright, how about a dmesg of right after you plug in the device? or does it not even cause any dmesg output?
Jul 14 04:08:45 <HVACengi> I'd love to take a closer look, but I've got to go to work in 7 hours.  Good luck
Jul 14 04:09:15 <mouser-> johnx: I'll try that, one moment.
Jul 14 04:12:14 <robink> Can someone link me to articles or mailinglist postings about the legal troubles with OGG?
Jul 14 04:13:06 <mouser-> johnx: No, just some EAC mode messages and a message about cx3110x, which I assume is the wifi.
Jul 14 04:14:45 <johnx> hmm...do you have a different usb flash drive to test with?
Jul 14 04:17:45 <mouser-> johnx: Yes, I've tried two flash drives, I can try a third, but I wouldn't think they would draw that much power.
Jul 14 04:18:04 <johnx> I have one that draws too much power and a couple that work
Jul 14 04:22:18 <ShadowJK_> legal troubles with ogg?
Jul 14 04:22:56 <mouser-> johnx, Hmm.  In any case, according to HVACengi, usbcontrol should be changing the mode or reporting something even if the device is not plugged in.
Jul 14 04:24:25 <johnx> I'll look at my output from a working system in a couple minutes...
Jul 14 04:24:52 <mouser-> Granted, he was on diablo and not chinook, but it's the same version of usbcontrol.
Jul 14 04:24:54 <mouser-> Thanks, johnx
Jul 14 04:28:58 * robink has OGG support now, just not lightmediascanner
Jul 14 04:45:37 <timely> robink: http://osdir.com/ml/multimedia.ogg.vorbis.general/2005-03/msg00038.html
Jul 14 04:45:57 <timely> robink: in short, most people won't really talk about this stuff
Jul 14 04:45:59 <timely> they can't
Jul 14 04:46:18 <timely> even xiph won't talk about certain parts (their strategy)
Jul 14 04:46:25 <timely> and this is ok/understandable
Jul 14 04:46:40 <timely> lawyers are paid to see shadows
Jul 14 04:47:00 <timely> but often they won't talk about the shadows they see...
Jul 14 04:47:23 <timely> (and yes, i read the link and know it's sorta the opposite, but the point is that there are lawyers somewhere near this stuff)
Jul 14 04:48:21 <timely> robink: exactly how hard did you search? because searching for lawyers + a couple keywords found mailing lists w/o much trouble...
Jul 14 04:52:51 <robink> timely: I searched for 'ogg maemo lawyer', which brought up a couple of old mailinglist postings and bug reports
Jul 14 04:55:07 <robink> Is Maemo independent of Nokia?
Jul 14 04:56:18 <robink> I mean, is it a community-run project, or is it like the Mozilla foundation before it was spun off?
Jul 14 04:57:23 <Italodance> DIABLO IS GOOD OR NOT!?
Jul 14 04:57:54 <robink> Italodance: I'd say it's good.  OGG support isn't quite there yet, but that's 99% fixable.
Jul 14 04:58:19 <mouser-> robink: it's a project maintained by Nokia, but also run by the community.
Jul 14 04:58:25 <robink> mouser-: Ah.
Jul 14 05:03:32 <budmang> :) How do I make my N800 CPU faster(Im already on the diablo kernel/rotation/sd card boot 8GB).
Jul 14 05:05:01 <tank-man> i know how you can overclock it by 9.8m/s/s :)
Jul 14 05:05:07 <unixSnob> desolder the chrystal oscilator, and solder in a faster one
Jul 14 05:05:42 <budmang> anything serious to make it faster or always run at 400mhz would be nice.
Jul 14 05:05:49 <budmang> love my n800
Jul 14 05:06:18 <budmang> anyone else having problems with canola and diablo?(seeing text?)
Jul 14 05:06:26 <tank-man> isnt the cpu speed variable? and 400mhz was possible since chinook, no?
Jul 14 05:07:18 <budmang> Not sure, im a nubie when it comes to that. I thought i had to echo something into some files to set the cpu to max.
Jul 14 05:07:27 <budmang> Just cant remember, wondering if there were any other tricks
Jul 14 05:12:26 <johnx> normally the CPU scales to "fast" when you're doing something intensive and "slower" when you're doing something that doesn't need all the power
Jul 14 05:12:42 <johnx> you can lock it at full speed (at the cost of battery life. there's always a price.)
Jul 14 05:13:20 <budmang> anyone know of any cool apps/hacks to make the n800 any coolers?
Jul 14 05:13:36 <budmang> right how can i lock it at full speed(at the cost of battery).
Jul 14 05:14:19 <unixSnob> budmang: hold the n800 outside the window while driving down the freeway.. that'll cool it off
Jul 14 05:14:31 <budmang> ha
Jul 14 05:14:44 <johnx> open a terminal, become root, type:  echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
Jul 14 05:16:36 <budmang> thank you johnx that was it.,
Jul 14 05:16:53 <budmang> anyone have a better keyboard or finger keyboard for the portrait mode?
Jul 14 05:17:02 <johnx> nope
Jul 14 05:21:08 <budmang> what about sparks running on the n800?
Jul 14 05:21:20 <johnx> sparks?
Jul 14 05:21:34 <budmang> java jabber client
Jul 14 05:21:43 <budmang> that does other jazz(livechat etc..)
Jul 14 05:22:17 <johnx> probably not, the java support isn't all the way and it would be slow
Jul 14 05:22:25 <johnx> but the builtin client supports jabber
Jul 14 05:22:38 <johnx> there's also pidgin
Jul 14 05:23:18 <budmang> yes it just doesnt do the fastpath live chat for the website
Jul 14 05:25:02 <johnx> the java support on n8x0 is called jalimo IIRC
Jul 14 05:25:07 <johnx> it's worth a look if you want
Jul 14 05:26:06 <budmang> thanks again johnx
Jul 14 05:27:16 <budmang> does the sd card run at 48hz with diablo?
Jul 14 05:27:22 <budmang> or do I need to do something?
Jul 14 05:29:37 <qwerty12> you need to flash a 48hz enabled kernel
Jul 14 05:29:39 <johnx> http://www.google.com/search?q=sd+48Mhz+diablo
Jul 14 05:30:44 <budmang> if I have the bin of a modified one, how would I do that?
Jul 14 05:31:19 <[A2K]> hello
Jul 14 05:31:32 <[A2K]> is there java for maemo?
Jul 14 05:31:46 <budmang> 22:25	johnx	the java support on n8x0 is called jalimo IIRC
Jul 14 05:32:02 <johnx> budmang++ :D
Jul 14 05:32:15 <budmang> its all about sharing :)
Jul 14 05:32:50 <johnx> budmang, for flashing kernels...do you have a linux desktop? windows? mac?
Jul 14 05:33:01 <[A2K]> thx
Jul 14 05:33:03 <budmang> windows.
Jul 14 05:33:20 <qwerty12> If you have diablo, use fiasco-flasher to flash on the device.
Jul 14 05:33:30 <budmang> i just ran an app that flashed and copied to my sd card. then ran another app that flashed the rotation automatically for me.
Jul 14 05:33:43 <budmang> qwerty? can i use the.bin file?
Jul 14 05:34:28 <johnx> budmang, make sure that the kernel you want to flash has all the features you want. 48MHz SD + rotation support
Jul 14 05:34:36 <qwerty12> Yes, I believe syntax is like the windows one, fiasco-flasher -f -k <name of kernel.bin>
Jul 14 05:35:00 <budmang> Yea, I think I could live with out the rotation as the keyboard is unusable :)
Jul 14 05:35:03 <qwerty12> No one else except for me has done a diablo rotation kernel and I didn't include 48MHz in there :/
Jul 14 05:36:02 <budmang> ohh yes it was your name/post I got it from. Thank you as well qwerty.
Jul 14 05:37:14 <budmang> 1 thing that threw me off. I have the advanced backlight installed prior to your install.  when I use the rotate via that applet the Dpad changes, if I use the appplet included with yours it does not change the d-pad.
Jul 14 05:37:41 <qwerty12> I made a modification to that applet to do that :) but you need to have xmodmap installed.
Jul 14 05:38:01 <budmang> Nice.
Jul 14 05:38:16 <budmang> Your work is appreciated.
Jul 14 05:38:19 <qwerty12> But adv-backlight is miles better anyway imho.
Jul 14 05:38:23 <qwerty12> It's jott's work :)
Jul 14 05:38:25 <budmang> what other tweaks/tips do you have :)
Jul 14 05:38:39 <qwerty12> I just updated the stuff for diablo and made a kernel deb.
Jul 14 05:39:16 <qwerty12> Not really sure, can't think of anything off the top of my head (my tablet's blank after a v.recent reflash) :)
Jul 14 05:40:07 <qwerty12> Bundyo was prodding me to add the 48MHz patch to the android kernel with rotation, i'll try doing that when I have time
Jul 14 05:41:49 <yigal> I imagine this tutorial for flashing MMC cards works for SD, but is it up to date ? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/
Jul 14 05:42:34 <yigal> oh, yes of course it works for sd cards
Jul 14 05:42:45 <qwerty12> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jul 14 05:42:55 <budmang> there is a application that does it all for you
Jul 14 05:42:58 <yigal> always something newer better :)
Jul 14 05:43:00 <budmang> works like a charm :)
Jul 14 05:43:02 <yigal> awesome
Jul 14 05:43:59 <budmang> anyone use a bluetooth keyboard or just recommend one?
Jul 14 05:46:18 <johnx> budmang, thinkoutside stowaway
Jul 14 05:46:27 <johnx> I don't use it but it seems like everyone else does :P
Jul 14 05:53:02 * Stskeeps reaches out for his coffee machine
Jul 14 05:53:27 <johnx> Stskeeps, my thoughts exactly :)
Jul 14 05:54:30 <Stskeeps> echo performance > .. - could be interesting to use dsme.py to make something that puts it on performance when on charger for instance and ondemand when not
Jul 14 05:55:18 <Stskeeps> er, i mean bme dbus proxy
Jul 14 05:55:25 * Stskeeps should really go for that cup of coffee.
Jul 14 05:55:34 <qwerty12> Reminds me of lcuk's acmonitor mod :)
Jul 14 05:55:59 <yigal> how do I create a shortcut 'Alt' for osso-xterm?
Jul 14 05:56:43 <yigal> If anyone has done it before, I would like to move words back and forward, alt-f, alt-b etc.
Jul 14 05:56:50 <yigal> :)
Jul 14 06:01:07 <yigal> owell, :)
Jul 14 06:05:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: i've committed a package create/install refactoring of installer, so we easily can do stuff like "Skipping package X because it requires Diablo/Chinook" for instance
Jul 14 06:06:17 <Stskeeps> and have a list of those packages, like DIABLO_ONLY_PACKAGES = []
Jul 14 06:08:57 <rm_you> budmang: yeah i use the thinkoutside stowaway :P as johnx is probably aware, lol
Jul 14 06:09:00 <rm_you> i like it :P
Jul 14 06:09:26 <budmang> thinkoutside?
Jul 14 06:15:39 <yigal> all of these bluetooth folding keyboards look great, I should get one
Jul 14 06:26:07 <johnx> Stskeeps, that sounds reasonable
Jul 14 06:28:43 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 14 06:46:17 <rm_you> err
Jul 14 06:46:35 <rm_you> GAN800: jott: yo?
Jul 14 07:07:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: why would people delete osso-software-somethingsomething-rx44 btw?
Jul 14 07:07:12 <Stskeeps> just curious since you did that :)
Jul 14 07:08:33 <johnx> it conflicted with something
Jul 14 07:08:41 <johnx> or  I didn't like the way it looked at me
Jul 14 07:08:51 <johnx> I'll see what it conflicts with :)
Jul 14 07:09:44 <johnx> aaah, right, I pulled the chinook version of modest since it was less likely to go crazy and soak up 100% CPU time
Jul 14 07:10:38 <Stskeeps> ah
Jul 14 07:12:59 <RST38h> Have I missed a financial crisis in the US this night?
Jul 14 07:13:18 <RST38h> Or am I just reading the wrong news?
Jul 14 07:13:45 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think it's pretty much constant
Jul 14 07:14:09 <RST38h> No, something looks wrong
Jul 14 07:14:24 <Stskeeps> url?
Jul 14 07:14:27 <RST38h> wronger than usual
Jul 14 07:15:26 <RST38h> it is in russian - this is why I am wondering if this is real or just worded in a convinient "america sucks" way
Jul 14 07:15:41 <Stskeeps> ah
Jul 14 07:15:43 * timeless is looking for a place to ask questions about mod_ssl
Jul 14 07:15:47 <johnx> what kind of thing is it talking about? fannie may or whatever?
Jul 14 07:16:31 <yigal> there was spamming about wwIII ?
Jul 14 07:16:39 <yigal> read about in /.
Jul 14 07:16:45 <yigal> :)
Jul 14 07:16:52 <XTLi> :)
Jul 14 07:16:59 <RST38h> johnx: yep
Jul 14 07:17:28 <Stskeeps> RST38h: http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/13/news/economy/fannie_freddie_sunday/index.htm?postversion=2008071318 for english perspective
Jul 14 07:17:37 <RST38h> ww3 thing was a clear oiece of bullshit
Jul 14 07:17:53 <RST38h> sts: thanks =)
Jul 14 07:18:07 <Stskeeps> RST38h: sometimes i do wonder though.. the rhetoric against iran is quite heavy these days
Jul 14 07:18:51 <RST38h> sts: not physically possible
Jul 14 07:19:13 <Stskeeps> but calling it ww3 is just odd :P
Jul 14 07:19:27 <RST38h> sts: the best ahmadi-not-a-jew can hope for is a quick israeli bombing campaign
Jul 14 07:21:30 <Stskeeps> then again, the 6 day war was quite impressive back then and did reach a wide area :P
Jul 14 07:21:37 <Stskeeps> but anyway, i have to work :P
Jul 14 07:21:39 <Stskeeps> brb
Jul 14 07:23:18 <Mikho> would anyone know a good example program for maemo utilizing the bluez library?
Jul 14 07:23:44 <RST38h> mikho: maemo mapper should
Jul 14 07:23:48 <Mikho> I can't get much work done by just reading the API
Jul 14 07:24:18 <Mikho> RST38h, ok I'll check that out
Jul 14 07:24:33 <XTLi> Maybe the bluez utils themselves
Jul 14 07:25:28 <XTLi> Maybe you can publish some as you get aloong :)
Jul 14 07:25:44 <t_s_o> ugh, economics...
Jul 14 07:26:45 <Mikho> at the moment I can connect to the device and connect to a serial port service, but only one time per reboot
Jul 14 07:28:03 <RST38h> you are not shutting down something properly?
Jul 14 07:28:24 <Mikho> After the first time, I get error messages saying it can't create the serial port dev file
Jul 14 07:28:52 <Mikho> and disconnect gives Failure: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
Jul 14 07:29:39 <RST38h> definitely not shutting down something, most likely due to that error
Jul 14 07:29:53 <Mikho> so it seems indeed
Jul 14 07:30:10 <Mikho> so I need to figure out how to set up the connection properly
Jul 14 07:30:18 <Mikho> setup and disconnect
Jul 14 07:33:33 <andre___> yerga, what is the email add you use in maemo bugzilla?
Jul 14 07:34:52 <RST38h> Is Jaffa around?
Jul 14 07:34:56 <yigal> I'm trying to flash an SD card using http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card as suggested by qwerty12
Jul 14 07:35:13 <Mikho> first of all, how can I find out which /dev file it's trying to use?
Jul 14 07:35:30 <yigal> however my system seems not to have mbcache.ko and so nupgrade.sh fails
Jul 14 07:35:52 <RST38h> whatever file it is trying to use, it has not been closed the last time
Jul 14 07:36:24 <yigal> where nupgrade.sh is an automated script to clone the internal mem. to the SD
Jul 14 07:37:48 <yigal> anyone know if I'm supposed to have the driver mbcache in diablo
Jul 14 07:42:09 <yigal> ok lsmod|grep mbcache it's in there
Jul 14 07:42:12 <yigal> so?
Jul 14 07:43:13 <Mikho> RST38h, how can I close the connection from the terminal? What happens if I just delete the file?
Jul 14 07:46:00 <yigal> ok another day, night
Jul 14 07:50:23 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 14 07:58:11 <Androc> merb
Jul 14 08:01:47 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:04:16 <XTLi> I think they could easily have made the claim that maemo means hello in some obscure language
Jul 14 08:04:31 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:08:51 <rm_you> Anyone here want to help with Advanced Backlight translations? It's very easy... We have spanish, german and dutch completed already. :)
Jul 14 08:09:09 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:10:01 <X-Fade> Androc: You are already on #maemo ;)
Jul 14 08:10:24 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:11:00 <rm_you> anyone know how /ignore works?
Jul 14 08:11:07 <rm_you> ah nm it has a help thingy
Jul 14 08:11:34 <johnx> Androc, hello :)
Jul 14 08:11:44 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:11:49 <rm_you> wtf it didn't work
Jul 14 08:12:22 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:12:26 <rm_you> damnit
Jul 14 08:12:48 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:13:00 <XTLi> Kb
Jul 14 08:13:03 <rm_you> testing?
Jul 14 08:13:06 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:13:34 <rm_you> whew, i think it may have worked that time...
Jul 14 08:13:46 <rm_you> for some reason it won't work unless I do *@ for the hostmask >_>
Jul 14 08:13:57 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:15:01 <rm_you> johnx: want to ask wakey to translate adv-backlight into japanese? :P
Jul 14 08:15:05 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:15:28 <johnx> rm_you, I could probably take a swing at it
Jul 14 08:15:38 <rm_you> heh, getting good? :P
Jul 14 08:15:45 <johnx> s/good/better
Jul 14 08:16:01 <johnx> there's like 3 strings, right?
Jul 14 08:16:12 <rm_you> er
Jul 14 08:17:14 <rm_you> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/advanced-backlight.pot?root=adv-backlight&rev=91
Jul 14 08:17:58 <johnx> wow...you added a lot since I last saw it...
Jul 14 08:18:23 <rm_you> have you installed it recently? >_>
Jul 14 08:18:35 <johnx> not really o_o;
Jul 14 08:18:46 <rm_you> grab 0.12-6 from -devel
Jul 14 08:18:50 <rm_you> it's getting good :)
Jul 14 08:19:05 <johnx> after my debian install succeeds/fails
Jul 14 08:19:10 <rm_you> ok then give me a bit
Jul 14 08:19:20 <rm_you> i'll package up the new one after some minimal testing and then get it to devel
Jul 14 08:24:48 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:24:49 <Stskeeps> johnx: it's a shame ext2 doesn't have something like zfs snapshots.. then we could do a zfs snapshot debian@debootstrap and just clone the snapshot, and then run postdebootstrap on it
Jul 14 08:24:53 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:24:59 <Stskeeps> and if it fails, just roll back snapshot :P
Jul 14 08:25:17 <Stskeeps> so we don't have to install debian all over :)
Jul 14 08:25:24 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:25:43 <Stskeeps> Androc: you spammers aren't very creative are you :P
Jul 14 08:25:49 <johnx> there's something similar that can be done. At a former job I had a backup system that used hardlinks to simulate that kind of thing
Jul 14 08:26:24 <johnx> back in a bit
Jul 14 08:26:30 <Androc> Stskeepers: I am not a spammer
Jul 14 08:26:43 <Stskeeps> Androc: why do you keep on repeating maemo then? :>
Jul 14 08:26:51 <Androc> because it's correct
Jul 14 08:27:01 * Stskeeps blinks
Jul 14 08:27:17 <rm_you> Stskeeps: /ignore *@77-56-82-53.dclient.hispeed.ch ALL
Jul 14 08:27:23 <Stskeeps> rm_you: i've considered it
Jul 14 08:27:24 <rm_you> works great :P
Jul 14 08:27:34 <Stskeeps> and how do you know i use irssi
Jul 14 08:27:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 08:27:59 <rm_you> heh, i use that in XChat, i believe it is one of those things that is standard syntax
Jul 14 08:28:20 <Androc> Stskeeps: do you concur?
Jul 14 08:28:37 <hrw> morning
Jul 14 08:30:22 <rm_you> morning
Jul 14 08:31:56 <rm_you> anyone here know french or russian?
Jul 14 08:32:18 <Androc> stskeeps: do you concur?
Jul 14 08:35:43 <Italodance> .
Jul 14 08:35:47 <Italodance> :D
Jul 14 08:36:07 <rm_you> or italian? :P
Jul 14 08:36:57 <hrw> morning
Jul 14 08:37:07 <hrw> ops, i said morning here already ;)
Jul 14 08:37:19 <X-Fade> rm_you: He is from Iran :)
Jul 14 08:37:40 <Italodance> yes!
Jul 14 08:38:03 <Italodance> morning hrw
Jul 14 08:39:46 <rm_you> ok...
Jul 14 08:40:17 <rm_you> anyone know ANY languages besides english (obviously, if you are reading this), german, spanish, and dutch? :P
Jul 14 08:40:29 <Androc> maemo
Jul 14 08:44:10 <gomiam> rm_you: me, spanish
Jul 14 08:44:23 <gomiam> actually I know english _besides_ spanish XD
Jul 14 08:44:47 <aquatix> rm_you: does C count?
Jul 14 08:44:52 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 08:45:15 <rm_you> gomiam: err, lol
Jul 14 08:45:27 <XTLi> Finnish, terrible swedish
Jul 14 08:46:15 <gomiam> rm_you: O:-)
Jul 14 08:46:40 <rm_you> XTLi: feel like translating something to Finnish? :P
Jul 14 08:47:04 <XTLi> I was thinking about it
Jul 14 08:47:23 <hrw> rm_you: Polish
Jul 14 08:49:02 <rm_you> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/advanced-backlight.pot?root=adv-backlight&rev=91
Jul 14 08:49:10 <rm_you> just fill in msgstr :P
Jul 14 08:50:10 <rm_you> and post as an attachment on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 or email to aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu
Jul 14 08:50:29 <rm_you> :)
Jul 14 08:51:20 <hrw> rm_you: the problem is that I do not even know which word for Backlight is used in other Polish translations
Jul 14 08:51:31 <rm_you> :(
Jul 14 08:51:54 <rm_you> people just need to be able to understand it <_<
Jul 14 08:52:58 <rm_you> and I think we decided we weren't going to translate the proper noun "Advanced Backlight", though in the other contexts "backlight" would need to be translated :/
Jul 14 08:55:12 <florian> good morning
Jul 14 08:55:58 <hrw> rm_you: Rotation support req xomap with xrandr?
Jul 14 08:56:45 <rm_you> yes
Jul 14 08:57:05 <hrw> rm_you: why there is a warning for n800 users?
Jul 14 08:57:10 <hrw> and does it apply to n810 too?
Jul 14 08:57:19 <rm_you> if you don't have qwerty's rotation pack installed, the rotation parts won't show up
Jul 14 08:57:27 <rm_you> hrw: yes, and no it does not apply to n810 users
Jul 14 08:57:59 <rm_you> hrw: n810 screen is transflective or whatever the term is, so it doesn't need the backlight on to see it
Jul 14 08:58:03 <rm_you> n800 screen is not
Jul 14 08:58:28 <hrw> ok
Jul 14 08:59:08 <hrw> can translation of "n800 users beware" be more then "not suggested on n800" then?
Jul 14 09:00:19 <rm_you> it's like
Jul 14 09:00:25 <rm_you> Caution: n800 users!
Jul 14 09:00:31 <rm_you> or...
Jul 14 09:04:23 <rm_you> n800 users employ caution
Jul 14 09:04:26 <rm_you> ...
Jul 14 09:05:22 <hrw> rm_you: http://pastebin.ca/1071598 is Polish translation without credits
Jul 14 09:05:31 <rm_you> have you checked what google translator says? sometimes that actually provides some insights or ideas
Jul 14 09:05:32 <rm_you> ah k
Jul 14 09:07:29 <rm_you> hrw: can you notice me your name/email?
Jul 14 09:07:34 <rm_you> or PM
Jul 14 09:07:46 <hrw> rm_you: Marcin Juszkiewicz maemo@haerwu.biz
Jul 14 09:07:50 <hrw> brb
Jul 14 09:08:22 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 09:09:08 <befr0d|N810> rm_you, have you got an spanish translator?
Jul 14 09:09:54 <aquatix> rm_you: it's already translated in Dutch?
Jul 14 09:10:06 <rm_you> befr0d: yes
Jul 14 09:10:09 <rm_you> aquatix: yes
Jul 14 09:10:12 <aquatix> kk
Jul 14 09:10:13 <Stskeeps> woo. now with a usrp gnu radio board <3
Jul 14 09:10:16 <rm_you> though
Jul 14 09:10:20 <befr0d|N810> cool.
Jul 14 09:10:31 <rm_you> both of you can feel free to check the translations and submit changes if you think you can do better
Jul 14 09:10:35 <rm_you> always feel free to improve them
Jul 14 09:11:38 <aquatix> not that i use my n810 in dutch or something :)
Jul 14 09:11:51 <aquatix> i might check it out later today
Jul 14 09:11:59 <befr0d|N810> they are on svn, right?
Jul 14 09:12:05 <aquatix> you have version control somewhere?
Jul 14 09:13:53 <rm_you> yeah sec
Jul 14 09:14:32 <rm_you> Spanish: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/es.po?root=adv-backlight
Jul 14 09:14:44 <rm_you> Dutch: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/nl.po?root=adv-backlight
Jul 14 09:20:27 <aquatix> rm_you: i think this is slightly better - http://pastebin.com/d31fe09b1
Jul 14 09:20:51 <aquatix> [dutch translation]
Jul 14 09:21:42 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 14 09:21:52 <rm_you> what are the main differences?
Jul 14 09:22:26 <aquatix> some removed spaces between words [which should be together in correct Dutch] and changed `achterlicht' to `schermverlichting'
Jul 14 09:22:38 <aquatix> better translation, less awkward
Jul 14 09:22:42 <aquatix> imho
Jul 14 09:24:08 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 09:28:39 <befr0d|N810> http://pastebin.com/d47085317
Jul 14 09:28:59 <befr0d|N810> changed tema, instead of temo
Jul 14 09:29:15 <befr0d|N810> and fixed an accent on last string
Jul 14 09:29:55 <rm_you> k, thanks
Jul 14 09:30:03 <befr0d|N810>  difícil , he had the accent backwards, and the i was capitalized
Jul 14 09:39:30 <korgoth> hello :)
Jul 14 09:40:56 <johnx> hi korgoth
Jul 14 09:40:56 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 09:41:06 <rm_you> korgoth: what languages do you know? :P
Jul 14 09:46:52 <XTLi> How's http://pastebin.com/d2e03c7c5 ?
Jul 14 09:47:47 <XTLi> Top vars I left, strings should be there if charfsets come out right
Jul 14 09:49:24 <rm_you> is finnish "fi" or "fn"?
Jul 14 09:49:36 <rm_you> ah guessing fi, same as the domain extension :P
Jul 14 09:49:43 <XTLi> What's fn? :)
Jul 14 09:49:51 <rm_you> lol something i made up just now
Jul 14 09:49:53 <rm_you> ignore me
Jul 14 09:50:04 <korgoth> rm_you: none :-D
Jul 14 09:50:21 <rm_you> korgoth: lol, english? :P
Jul 14 09:50:22 <korgoth> anyone here using ssh thru the os2008?
Jul 14 09:50:23 <XTLi> Localized by Fabrique Nationale
Jul 14 09:51:47 <befr0d> me
Jul 14 09:51:49 <johnx> korgoth, yes
Jul 14 09:52:07 <korgoth> johnx: on what device?
Jul 14 09:52:12 <johnx> n800
Jul 14 09:52:41 <korgoth> and any chance on u using centerim?
Jul 14 09:52:46 <rm_you> XTLi: lol, translation via P90 :P
Jul 14 09:54:14 <korgoth> johnx: im wondering whats the possibility of sendinf "esc" chars and ctrl combinations
Jul 14 09:54:18 <korgoth> *sending
Jul 14 09:54:39 <johnx> korgoth, escape is sent with the curly "back arrow button"
Jul 14 09:54:57 <johnx> ctrl- sequences can be added to the x-terminal toolbar
Jul 14 09:55:13 <korgoth> nice!
Jul 14 09:55:15 <johnx> you'd have to compile it yourself but I don't see a big reason why it wouldn't work
Jul 14 09:55:43 <johnx> if I were you I'd start with Debian's packages and look at using mud-builder in scratchbox to build it
Jul 14 09:58:50 <lcuk_work> lardman, am i as optimistic as overflo :P
Jul 14 10:00:51 <lcuk_work> rm_you, i just realised, i can translate your adv_backlight
Jul 14 10:01:04 <rm_you> ?
Jul 14 10:01:07 <rm_you> to what?
Jul 14 10:01:33 <lcuk_work> c or c++ or visual basic, at a push i might do pascal or 68k assembler :P
Jul 14 10:01:54 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 10:02:21 <lcuk_work> how many languages have you got so far
Jul 14 10:02:36 <rm_you> 5
Jul 14 10:02:51 <lcuk_work> nice :) your project is growing nicely
Jul 14 10:03:31 <lcuk_work> i still think you need a torch hotkey
Jul 14 10:03:38 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 10:03:49 <jott> mh ;)
Jul 14 10:04:03 <jott> and a morse mode? ;)
Jul 14 10:04:09 <jott> actually that would be a funny app
Jul 14 10:04:15 <jott> enter a string and it blinks it's morse code
Jul 14 10:04:30 <jott> might be useful at one point in life ;)
Jul 14 10:04:32 <lcuk_work> :D heh jott
Jul 14 10:05:11 <lcuk_work> would be even more interesting to then use the camera at the other end to read morse
Jul 14 10:05:13 <rm_you> heh
Jul 14 10:05:24 <jott> hehe
Jul 14 10:05:25 <rm_you> lol that would be an AWESOME app
Jul 14 10:05:32 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 10:05:36 <rm_you> useless but awesome
Jul 14 10:05:39 <rm_you> wow...
Jul 14 10:05:48 <lcuk_work> who says our device is crap at Flash
Jul 14 10:05:59 <rm_you> svn: OPTIONS of '/svn/adv-backlight/trunk/adv-backlight/po': Could not resolve hostname `garage.maemo.org': Temporary failure in name resolution (https://garage.maemo.org)
Jul 14 10:06:17 <lcuk_work> dot dot dash dash dot dot dash
Jul 14 10:06:48 <jott> actually this could be fairly easy...
Jul 14 10:07:05 <jott> maybe the camera even supports an 1x1 sized frame ;)
Jul 14 10:07:18 <jott> this ways you should could check a threshold
Jul 14 10:07:24 <jott> erm
Jul 14 10:07:27 <jott> mmh ;)
Jul 14 10:07:41 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 10:08:00 <rm_you> would have to do an initialization first to get it to locate the area in the image that is the other n800
Jul 14 10:08:24 <RST38h> moo rm/you
Jul 14 10:08:25 <jott> rm_you: na it assumes constant ambient light :P
Jul 14 10:08:27 <lcuk_work> nahhh, just scan the noise looking for patterns
Jul 14 10:08:34 <RST38h> Jaffa: here?
Jul 14 10:08:36 <lcuk_work> read the snow
Jul 14 10:09:08 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 10:09:28 <lcuk_work> SETI   ((Search for Extra-Terrestrial Internettabletusers)
Jul 14 10:10:53 <lcuk_work> wasnt there a modem at one  point for spectrum computers which had an LDR pointing onto the tv screen to transfer data
Jul 14 10:11:06 <jott> rm_you: we could do this as an easter egg in adv-backlight ;p
Jul 14 10:11:17 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 10:11:29 <jott> like hold zoom in while pressing settings ;)
Jul 14 10:12:00 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 10:12:07 <rm_you> hard to do easter eggs in open source :P
Jul 14 10:12:22 <rm_you> we would have to obfuscate the hell out of it :P
Jul 14 10:12:25 <jott> not that much
Jul 14 10:12:33 <jott> most people don't read the source :P
Jul 14 10:12:42 <lcuk_work> .... . .-.. .-.. ---  .-- --- .-. .-.. -..
Jul 14 10:12:52 <lcuk_work> just make the source morse itself
Jul 14 10:12:59 <rm_you> rofl
Jul 14 10:13:02 <lcuk_work> read and parse
Jul 14 10:13:07 <rm_you> a morse code translator in morse would be awesome
Jul 14 10:13:18 <lcuk_work> I hope theres an Open Morse license
Jul 14 10:13:41 <rm_you> damnit, seriously WTF, i can't commit because i can't resolve garage\
Jul 14 10:13:47 <rm_you> W T F
Jul 14 10:13:55 <lcuk_work> conversion is fairly simple, heres javascript version
Jul 14 10:13:56 <lcuk_work> http://www.java2s.com/Code/JavaScript/Security/MorseCodeASCIIConverterinJavaScript.htm
Jul 14 10:14:03 <jott> http://www.qru.de/morse.jpg mh never thought about representing more code as a tree though it's fairly obvious ;)
Jul 14 10:14:17 <lcuk_work> rm_you, update your dns - if its a crappy router reboot it and try again?
Jul 14 10:14:39 <rm_you> it's on a university network
Jul 14 10:14:40 <rm_you> ...
Jul 14 10:14:56 <jott> garage makes problems all the time :P
Jul 14 10:15:41 <lcuk_work> using garage fills me with re-morse
Jul 14 10:15:54 <X-Fade> jott: While that statement might be true, not able to resolve is a local problem ;)
Jul 14 10:16:30 <jott> X-Fade: yeah i wonder, i also had serious connections problems over the weekend..
Jul 14 10:16:47 <XTLi> rm_you: there isn't a proxy required?
Jul 14 10:17:09 <jott> X-Fade: many timeouts, but in the end the commits came through ... :)
Jul 14 10:17:27 <XTLi> Svn keeps proxies in a conf, not obeying same settings as browser or env reading apps
Jul 14 10:17:49 <rm_you> no proxies
Jul 14 10:17:56 <XTLi> I fought long with that once :-€
Jul 14 10:18:28 <jott> rm_you: can you reach the website with a browser?
Jul 14 10:18:39 <rm_you> no
Jul 14 10:18:48 <rm_you> nslookup won't resolve it
Jul 14 10:18:56 <rm_you> i'll try switching nameservers
Jul 14 10:19:13 <jott> hah we made it to "Most active this week" at 100% ;)
Jul 14 10:19:45 <zap> rm_you: why "allow zero backlight" has the "beware N800 users" warning? Is it different on N810?
Jul 14 10:20:10 <rm_you> zap: yes
Jul 14 10:20:15 <jott> zap: you can actually read the screeen with 0 backlight
Jul 14 10:20:20 <rm_you> jott: been at 100% for a while :P
Jul 14 10:20:24 <jott> heh
Jul 14 10:20:27 <Robot101> why not just disable that on N800s? :P
Jul 14 10:20:40 <rm_you> Robot101: we did originally... we had requests to make it optional
Jul 14 10:21:08 <zap> rm_you: the screen on N800 is different from N810??? I thought they are very similar
Jul 14 10:21:11 <Robot101> optional broken functionality for the loss
Jul 14 10:21:25 <rm_you> zap: the n810's screen is transflective, which means that it is visible without a backlight
Jul 14 10:21:34 <rm_you> Robot101: i have actually used it
Jul 14 10:21:40 <zap> ah ok, I wasn't aware n800 has a non-transflective screen
Jul 14 10:21:44 <X-Fade> rm_you: I even got bitten by it on my N810, when I set it too low at night ;)
Jul 14 10:21:52 <lcuk_work> zap, the 810 screen has little holes all over it to allow sunlight behind and so the display can be used without any backlight at all, from what i gather the 800 has no holes
Jul 14 10:21:54 <rm_you> X-Fade: lol
Jul 14 10:21:59 <zap> rm_you: is it ok to post a new translation for adv-backlight in garage bugtracker?
Jul 14 10:22:12 <jott> zap: sure
Jul 14 10:22:19 <rm_you> zap: easier to pastebin it, or post as an attachment on the forums probably
Jul 14 10:22:21 <rm_you> but sure
Jul 14 10:22:32 <X-Fade> rm_you: Shining on the screen with my phone to get it back on was a pain :)
Jul 14 10:22:36 <rm_you> since i can't get to garage right now :P
Jul 14 10:22:50 <rm_you> X-Fade: lol, n810 users can also disable the option :P
Jul 14 10:23:27 <X-Fade> rm_you: Yeah, that is what I did now ;)
Jul 14 10:23:39 <X-Fade> rm_you: But maybe it is better to have it off by default?
Jul 14 10:24:02 <RST38h> you mean 0-brightness option?
Jul 14 10:24:10 <rm_you> X-Fade: I suppose we could do that, as there may be more people who like it off than on >_>
Jul 14 10:24:43 <jott> X-Fade: erm why on the "most active this week" list "care" and other stuff is there three times with different activities? ;)
Jul 14 10:24:45 <X-Fade> rm_you: Yeah, if you really want it, you need to turn it on. That is the safe option.
Jul 14 10:24:46 <zap> ok its there :)
Jul 14 10:25:06 <rm_you> X-Fade: sure, may as well do that. changed, as of next release, default will always be off
Jul 14 10:25:07 <X-Fade> jott: Because that gforge module has some serious issues.
Jul 14 10:25:27 <jott> X-Fade: heh i could have guessed that ;)
Jul 14 10:25:28 <zap> is there any reason to set zero backlight anyway?
Jul 14 10:25:34 <jott> zap: on the n810 there is
Jul 14 10:25:41 <zap> what's it?
Jul 14 10:25:49 <jott> when you are in the sun for example
Jul 14 10:26:01 <XTLi> Stealth bonus
Jul 14 10:26:07 <zap> hmm ok
Jul 14 10:26:26 <jott> but i guess X-Fade is right, we should disable it as default.
Jul 14 10:26:45 <XTLi> Allow it in wizard  mode
Jul 14 10:27:27 <rm_you> done
Jul 14 10:27:37 <rm_you> as soon as garage will resolve...
Jul 14 10:29:20 <X-Fade> rm_you: 62.61.85.33  garage.maemo.org  <- /etc/hosts  :)
Jul 14 10:29:28 <rm_you> yeah tried it
Jul 14 10:29:35 <rm_you> not working >_< still trying to resolve
Jul 14 10:29:53 <rm_you> scratchbox doesn't seem to be looking at /etc/hosts
Jul 14 10:29:57 <X-Fade> rm_you: Are you trying it inside scratchbox?
Jul 14 10:30:00 <rm_you> yes
Jul 14 10:30:09 <X-Fade> rm_you: yeah, duhuuhu..
Jul 14 10:30:18 <X-Fade> rm_you: That is a known problem ;)
Jul 14 10:30:44 <rm_you> k doing it outside of scratchbox
Jul 14 10:31:08 <jott> X-Fade: the garage ssh key still has to be rsa, right?
Jul 14 10:32:03 <X-Fade> jott: Yes, but that is the safest key anyway ;)
Jul 14 10:32:48 <X-Fade> rm_you: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html
Jul 14 10:32:59 <X-Fade> rm_you: That is how to fix resolving inside of scratchbox.
Jul 14 10:36:32 <rm_you> gah
Jul 14 10:37:05 <rm_you> nm, i think ITS must be doing some crazy shit with the university network
Jul 14 10:37:12 <rm_you> i can't even get into it anymore
Jul 14 10:42:11 <jott> X-Fade: the notification mail for extras has to be updated. diablo is missing in there.
Jul 14 10:52:57 <rm_you> grrr
Jul 14 10:53:01 <rm_you> can't get into my buildbox >_<
Jul 14 11:11:09 <rm_you> anyone know what the "fuzzy" option at the top of translation piles does?
Jul 14 11:11:15 <rm_you> s/piles/files/
Jul 14 11:11:16 <infobot> rm_you meant: anyone know what the "fuzzy" option at the top of translation files does?
Jul 14 11:12:18 <aquatix> i *think* it just points out that the translation might not be entirely accurate
Jul 14 11:14:03 <mgedmin> rm_you: the fuzzy option is attached to translations that were produced automatically by looking for a similar existing translation
Jul 14 11:14:27 <mgedmin> they need reviewing since sometimes they're really bad guesses
Jul 14 11:15:11 <jott> rm_you: if you do a "make update-po" in the po/ dir the translation is updated and may create this fuzzy tag
Jul 14 11:15:54 <mattimo> hi maemo people, is there a possability to make the maemo act as an access point or are there any limitation from the hardware
Jul 14 11:15:56 <rm_you> errr
Jul 14 11:16:03 <rm_you> jott: what does it do to "update" it?
Jul 14 11:16:15 * mgedmin wants to know too
Jul 14 11:16:39 <mgedmin> sometimes I'd like to have my n810 share its dial-up internet with my laptop over wifi
Jul 14 11:16:56 <XTLi> Sw might limit; can you have lan + uplink at once?
Jul 14 11:17:10 <jott> rm_you: check for the gettext strings (so strings that should be translated) in the files defined in the POTFILES.in
Jul 14 11:17:23 <rm_you> jott: ah
Jul 14 11:17:25 <jott> and update lines numbers etc
Jul 14 11:17:32 <jott> if something changed
Jul 14 11:17:56 <XTLi> Unless there's some odd shared component or so, I dont think hw blocks
Jul 14 11:18:12 <rm_you> jott: so I just committed updates and 2 more languages
Jul 14 11:18:25 <mattimo> is there an iwconfig option to set a device as AP
Jul 14 11:18:31 <XTLi> If you can get both conns up, you could start with any random proxy sw and then try iptables
Jul 14 11:19:04 <XTLi> Proper ap impersonation I don' know about
Jul 14 11:19:08 <jott> rm_you: or generate a fuzzy if there is a ambiguousy.
Jul 14 11:19:15 <jott> nice
Jul 14 11:19:18 <mgedmin> mattimo: iwconfig ethX mode master, I believe, but not all wifi drivers support that
Jul 14 11:19:50 <mgedmin> somehow I'm sure without trying that the one from IT OS won't support it
Jul 14 11:19:55 <lcuk_work> mgedmin, :D just install Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing on your device :D ;)
Jul 14 11:20:22 <johnx> lcuk_work, that just makes an ad-hoc connection (but I'm sure you knew that :P)
Jul 14 11:20:23 <mattimo> lcuk_work: sure
Jul 14 11:20:24 <mgedmin> lcuk_work: as soon as I upgrade my N810 to Vista Premium Mobile Edition 2008 (R)(TM), I will
Jul 14 11:21:11 <lcuk_work> my god, vista sucks ass grapes on good hardware, i would hate to think how it would actually work
Jul 14 11:21:22 <mgedmin> slideshow!
Jul 14 11:21:45 <mgedmin> of course you'd need a 4 gb minisd card for virtual memory
Jul 14 11:21:47 <lcuk_work> johnx, i only ever used it with wired connections  - i dont know about that side of it
Jul 14 11:22:36 <mattimo> iwconfig doesn't seem to be in a repo I have, do you know where to find it??
Jul 14 11:23:13 <johnx> gronmayer.com/it
Jul 14 11:23:25 <johnx> but I'm sure the tablets don't support AP / master mode
Jul 14 11:24:00 <lcuk_work> put it in adhoc and at least the connection can be shared
Jul 14 11:24:05 <mattimo> an its in the wirelesstools package
Jul 14 11:24:08 <rm_you> mattimo: it is in a package called wirelesstools
Jul 14 11:24:11 <rm_you> yes
Jul 14 11:24:12 <lcuk_work> or let the laptop act as master
Jul 14 11:24:19 <mattimo> rm_you: found it bbut thanks
Jul 14 11:24:40 <rm_you> :)
Jul 14 11:24:41 <mgedmin> heh, my laptop doesn't support master OR ad-hoc
Jul 14 11:24:45 <mgedmin> I believe
Jul 14 11:25:03 <johnx> mgedmin, I bet it supports ad-hoc (maybe not well...but that's different)
Jul 14 11:25:20 <johnx> there are *very* few wireless cards that support master though outside of routers these days
Jul 14 11:25:24 <lcuk_work> mine does, apart from the battery aspecti can take my laptop and n810 wherevar and be (very insecurely) connected
Jul 14 11:25:31 <aquatix> ad-hoc is quite basic functionality
Jul 14 11:26:06 <johnx> lcuk_work, it actually has master support in the hardware and windows drivers? you're sure it's not ad-hoc?
Jul 14 11:26:12 <mgedmin> intel wireless drivers didn't support it initially
Jul 14 11:26:15 <mgedmin> maybe that's been fixed
Jul 14 11:26:22 <lcuk_work> johnx, laptop is ubuntu
Jul 14 11:26:30 <mattimo> the operation is not permitted
Jul 14 11:26:36 * lcuk_work does actually have linux :P
Jul 14 11:27:15 <rm_you> jott: still looking for someone to translate to Lojban :P http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202758&postcount=191
Jul 14 11:27:15 <johnx> mattimo, means it isn't supported...
Jul 14 11:27:15 <aquatix> a lot of windows drivers don't support master mode, but in linux, those cards might just work :)
Jul 14 11:27:15 <lcuk_work> its my main machine thats still windows
Jul 14 11:27:39 <mattimo> johnx: don't know
Jul 14 11:28:03 <rm_you> is there a list of languages that we should have translations for?
Jul 14 11:28:06 <XTLi> rm_you: isn't there a lojban channel?
Jul 14 11:28:07 <mattimo> what wirless chip does the maemo have?
Jul 14 11:28:10 <johnx> s/means/I'm very sure that means/
Jul 14 11:28:10 <infobot> johnx meant: mattimo, I'm very sure that means it isn't supported...
Jul 14 11:28:15 <rm_you> XTLi: possibly :P
Jul 14 11:28:27 <XTLi> Could ask there
Jul 14 11:28:28 <johnx> mattimo, cx3110x
Jul 14 11:28:33 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 11:28:42 <rm_you> hrm, i wonder if there is a standard language code for Lojban :P
Jul 14 11:29:04 <XTLi> Some kind of translator pool and phrase/term db for foss projects would be nice
Jul 14 11:29:26 <XTLi> Again, you could go ask :D
Jul 14 11:30:29 <jott> rm_you: how about klingon? :P
Jul 14 11:30:29 <rm_you> I'm not even sure if there is a Lojban localization :P
Jul 14 11:30:35 <rm_you> OOO klingon, good call :P
Jul 14 11:31:20 <XTLi> Tests teh unicode too
Jul 14 11:32:34 <XTLi> There's propably a ready word in Klingon for "N800 users beware!"
Jul 14 11:33:40 <Jaffa> RST38h: pong
Jul 14 11:35:36 <rm_you> oh yay, french now too :P
Jul 14 11:35:55 <jott> ah nice, it's really growing ;)
Jul 14 11:37:03 <lcuk_work> has anyone done a lolcat translation?
Jul 14 11:39:40 <jott> i can haz zero backlighz? :p
Jul 14 11:40:38 <inz> Hmmh, vps got totally jammed
Jul 14 11:40:43 <rm_you> what is <92>?
Jul 14 11:40:47 <rm_you> what character is that
Jul 14 11:40:55 <jott> depends on your encoding ;)
Jul 14 11:41:00 <rm_you> need to translate that to utf-8
Jul 14 11:41:16 <jott> which language?
Jul 14 11:41:19 <rm_you> french
Jul 14 11:41:45 <jott> mh iso8859-1 maybe?
Jul 14 11:42:31 <jott> or -15
Jul 14 11:42:36 <mgedmin>  no
Jul 14 11:42:39 <mgedmin> windows-1252
Jul 14 11:42:44 <mgedmin> it's an em-dash, I think
Jul 14 11:42:55 <jott> heh evil windows encoding :P
Jul 14 11:43:12 <mgedmin> $ zgrep x92 /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/CP1252.gz
Jul 14 11:43:14 <mgedmin> <U2019>     /x92         RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
Jul 14 11:43:30 <mgedmin> ISO-8859-x never have characters in 0x80..0x9F range
Jul 14 11:43:35 <mgedmin> they have control characters there
Jul 14 11:43:45 <jott> mh good point
Jul 14 11:43:49 <mgedmin> Windows-125x have printable characters there
Jul 14 11:44:03 <rm_you> hrm yeah thats sorta how it shows up in Mousepad editor
Jul 14 11:44:06 <aquatix> ah, evil smart quotes
Jul 14 11:44:28 <XTLi> And innocent win encoder
Jul 14 11:44:39 <aquatix> :)
Jul 14 11:44:54 <XTLi> -> Corruption must follow
Jul 14 11:44:54 <rm_you> heh so
Jul 14 11:44:58 <rm_you> what is unicode equiv?
Jul 14 11:45:41 <jott> can't you just open it up as windows-1252 and safe as utf-8?
Jul 14 11:45:51 <jott> or use recode ;)
Jul 14 11:45:59 <rm_you> heh
Jul 14 11:46:50 <mgedmin> rm_you probably didn't notice the <U2019>
Jul 14 11:46:58 <mgedmin> which is a unicode codepoint for the RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
Jul 14 11:46:59 <rm_you> ah yeah i failed
Jul 14 11:47:04 <rm_you> at seeing that :P
Jul 14 11:47:14 <rm_you> don't know how to input that though
Jul 14 11:47:21 <rm_you> i've been using copy/paste from utf-8 sources :P
Jul 14 11:47:30 <mgedmin> ctrl+shift+u2019 in any Gtk+ program
Jul 14 11:47:35 <mgedmin> ’
Jul 14 11:48:43 <rm_you> i'm in xterm
Jul 14 11:49:26 <mgedmin> in general, iconv, recode or vim might work better than manually replacing every single character
Jul 14 11:49:33 <XTLi> Cp from some charfmap app
Jul 14 11:49:41 <rm_you> I am using vim
Jul 14 11:49:45 <XTLi> But iconv and vim are nice
Jul 14 11:49:45 <mgedmin> otoh maemo doesn't have the cp1252 iconv module in the OS, which kinda sucks
Jul 14 11:50:03 <rm_you> XTLi: yeah copied it from charmap
Jul 14 11:50:12 <mgedmin> there's a more-gconv-modules deb floating around that adds it
Jul 14 11:50:21 <mgedmin> and a bug in bugs.maemo.org asking for it to be enabled
Jul 14 11:51:09 <mgedmin> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752
Jul 14 12:09:40 <johnx> w00! battery rundown test for the gigabyte MID
Jul 14 12:10:17 <glass> where?
Jul 14 12:10:43 <johnx> umpcportal.com
Jul 14 12:11:07 <johnx> 3:35 w/ screen off and 30% CPU load on a 10Whr battery
Jul 14 12:12:56 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 14 12:13:01 <rm_you> 3:35? <_<
Jul 14 12:13:24 <johnx> about twice the battery capacity as an n800, 10Whr vs 5.5Whr
Jul 14 12:14:02 <rm_you> i still want a huge packpack style battery pack for my n800
Jul 14 12:18:58 <jott> http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/14754-Gigabyte-M528-vs-Nokia-n810-vs-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner
Jul 14 12:19:55 <johnx> yeah, it's pretty chunky
Jul 14 12:20:49 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 14 12:21:05 <rm_you> jott: did some more updates to translations, can you check them?
Jul 14 12:21:18 <rm_you> or, have you already checked to make sure they're all properly formatted?
Jul 14 12:21:35 <johnx> hmm...it's about the same size as a pandora :s
Jul 14 12:23:11 <jott> rm_you: no not yet
Jul 14 12:23:19 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 12:23:21 <rm_you> r97
Jul 14 12:23:26 <jott> k
Jul 14 12:23:42 <rm_you> havent tried building them yet, as i can't get in to my buildbox >_<
Jul 14 12:25:34 <jott> rm_you: you also have to add them to configure.ac (i'll do now)
Jul 14 12:25:56 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 12:36:41 <Atarii> hey rm_you
Jul 14 12:36:48 <rm_you> hey Atarii
Jul 14 12:38:22 <jott> http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.12-6_armel.deb <- first test package with de es fi fr nl pl ru language support
Jul 14 12:38:35 <rm_you> cool
Jul 14 12:38:56 <rm_you> jott: can you build that with at least 0.12-8?
Jul 14 12:39:07 <rm_you> there is 0.12-6 in -devel and it is much older :(
Jul 14 12:39:17 <jott> heh..
Jul 14 12:39:48 <jott> shall we go to .13? ;)
Jul 14 12:39:53 <rm_you> johnx: you there?
Jul 14 12:39:58 <rm_you> jott: lol?
Jul 14 12:40:03 <johnx> rm_you, yeah
Jul 14 12:40:31 <jott> we never reach 1.0 if we go in .12-x minor steps :P
Jul 14 12:40:36 <rm_you> johnx: did you or W ever go to Samurai Noodle by Uwajimaya?
Jul 14 12:40:48 <johnx> well, I've never been there
Jul 14 12:40:49 <johnx> is it any good?
Jul 14 12:40:51 <rm_you> jott: lol, but we havent officially released a .12 yet
Jul 14 12:41:01 <rm_you> johnx: havent gone yet, am thinking about it
Jul 14 12:41:04 <jott> isn't it in extras?
Jul 14 12:41:10 <rm_you> jott: 0.12? not yet
Jul 14 12:41:12 <jott> hm ok
Jul 14 12:41:15 <rm_you> just devel
Jul 14 12:42:03 <rm_you> tell ya what... i'll push the 0.12 that's currently in -devel to extras, and then immediately afterwards push .13 (adds translation support) :P
Jul 14 12:42:14 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 12:42:18 <rm_you> let me change the changelog
Jul 14 12:42:38 <Atarii> rm_you the current 12-6 doesn't do anything for me
Jul 14 12:42:45 <jott> rm_you: i'm currently at it
Jul 14 12:42:47 <GAN800> Nor me.
Jul 14 12:42:55 <jott> (writing changelog)
Jul 14 12:42:58 <rm_you> Atarii: remember to fix the permissions on that file
Jul 14 12:43:04 <rm_you> k i will wait till you commit
Jul 14 12:43:06 <Atarii> yea, have done
Jul 14 12:43:20 <rm_you> hrm k sec
Jul 14 12:43:23 <Atarii> its the first thing i do after a reboot now, by instinct
Jul 14 12:43:29 <jott> my digs through svn log :)
Jul 14 12:43:51 <rm_you> jott: the changelog should be up to date
Jul 14 12:43:58 <rm_you> i have been updating it
Jul 14 12:44:22 <rm_you> do you have the stuff i put in for 0.12-6?
Jul 14 12:44:27 <rm_you> should be 6 lines of changes
Jul 14 12:44:51 <jott> yeah 12-6 is in the changelog
Jul 14 12:45:07 <rm_you> ok, that *should* be all of the major changes
Jul 14 12:46:12 <rm_you> does fanoush ever hit up IRC?
Jul 14 12:46:25 <GAN800> No.
Jul 14 12:46:30 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 14 12:48:06 <jott> rm_you: i made some changes/fixes while you where asleep :P
Jul 14 12:48:10 <boolean> morning
Jul 14 12:48:11 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 12:48:13 <jott> r100! woot ;)
Jul 14 12:48:24 <rm_you> yeah, we should have a party :P
Jul 14 12:49:26 <jott> ok again with bumped version number: http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.12-8_armel.deb <- first test package with de es fi fr nl pl ru language support
Jul 14 12:49:34 <rm_you> johnx: i think I will go today, I will report back :P
Jul 14 12:49:36 <aquatix> neat
Jul 14 12:49:41 <Atarii> woot
Jul 14 12:49:51 <johnx> rm_you, alright. good luck
Jul 14 12:49:56 <rm_you> johnx: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/food/296790_eat22.html
Jul 14 12:50:39 <jott> please test and tell us if I18n works for you :)
Jul 14 12:50:47 <lopz> hola
Jul 14 12:50:55 <johnx> jott, me?
Jul 14 12:50:57 <rm_you> yeah.... is there an easy way to change my localization setting so i can see?
Jul 14 12:51:11 <rm_you> johnx: anyone :)
Jul 14 12:51:15 <johnx> ah
Jul 14 12:51:17 <jott> well if you have one of the listed language as language set on your device ;)
Jul 14 12:51:29 * johnx uses English
Jul 14 12:51:30 <jott> rm_you: well change the device language :P
Jul 14 12:51:34 * jott too :)
Jul 14 12:52:01 <jott> still there are more fixes in this snapshot
Jul 14 12:52:22 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 12:52:29 <jott> but you will have to reboot...
Jul 14 12:52:42 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 14 12:52:47 <rm_you> i see that >_>
Jul 14 12:52:59 * boolean is trying fr now
Jul 14 12:54:19 <rm_you> i'm glad i know my way around this thing
Jul 14 12:54:26 <rm_you> or else i would be stuck in russian for a while :P
Jul 14 12:54:32 <aquatix> ;)
Jul 14 12:55:05 <boolean> hmm .. the word settings is still in the advanced-backlight ( upgraded it this morning )
Jul 14 12:55:18 <rm_you> aquatix: i was tempted earlier to add an umlaut to the A in your name so the encoding type of the dutch translation would actually say UTF-8 instead of Ascii :P
Jul 14 12:55:37 <rm_you> boolean: need to use the package he linked: http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.12-8_armel.deb
Jul 14 12:56:13 <boolean> wasnt that the package that showed up thismomring as an upfate ?
Jul 14 12:56:17 <rm_you> no
Jul 14 12:56:26 <boolean> woops .. my babd
Jul 14 12:56:38 <rm_you> that was -6, which he DID link earlier by accident (sort of)
Jul 14 12:56:44 <rm_you> if you use -devel
Jul 14 12:57:28 <Atarii> 12-8 has dependancy problems for me
Jul 14 12:57:51 <rm_you> Atarii: yeah, not compiled in chinook again
Jul 14 12:58:01 <rm_you> Atarii: will have to wait for it to go through autobuilder
Jul 14 12:58:11 <Atarii> ah, ok
Jul 14 12:59:28 <aquatix> rm_you: that would've added an interesting pronounciation :)
Jul 14 13:02:03 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 13:03:06 <rm_you> anyone know french?
Jul 14 13:03:35 <rm_you> is there really no translation for "Rotation"? (or i guess, is it really unchanged)
Jul 14 13:03:40 * lcuk_work can say big ears in french :S
Jul 14 13:04:00 <jott> in german its also "Rotation" just pronounced diffrently ;)
Jul 14 13:04:15 <lcuk_work> 	
Jul 14 13:04:15 <lcuk_work> ajuster l'angle de rotation.
Jul 14 13:04:22 <lcuk_work> adjust the rotation angle.
Jul 14 13:04:35 <jott> you just have to pronounce it french and it will be ok :P
Jul 14 13:05:26 <lcuk_work> its not just the word, its the lcoation thereof
Jul 14 13:05:35 <lcuk_work> location even
Jul 14 13:06:19 <rm_you> yeah but
Jul 14 13:06:20 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 14 13:06:23 <rm_you> lcuk_work: you know french? :P
Jul 14 13:06:26 <jott> given some permutation π :P
Jul 14 13:06:30 <boolean> "bip" now there is a good fr french word
Jul 14 13:06:33 <lcuk_work> no, google translate does
Jul 14 13:06:40 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 13:07:03 <lcuk_work> when in doubt - google it.   or in this case google fr
Jul 14 13:07:18 <rm_you> my poor device has no idea what's going on, it's having a national identity crisis >_>
Jul 14 13:07:33 <lcuk_work> it will at least give you a basic translation which you will get bug reports on ;)
Jul 14 13:07:47 <boolean> "pas de volume" translates into "no volume"
Jul 14 13:08:00 <lcuk_work> "why the heck did your program call my mother a goat herding prostitute?"
Jul 14 13:08:05 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 13:08:05 <boolean> heh
Jul 14 13:08:19 <lcuk_work> "you KNOW we have sheep here!"
Jul 14 13:08:19 <rm_you> boolean: is that in our translation? :P
Jul 14 13:08:25 <boolean> same for the Luminosite thing
Jul 14 13:08:26 <boolean> yah
Jul 14 13:09:02 <boolean> where you thinking "step" ?
Jul 14 13:10:06 <lcuk_work> the volume is muted::le volume est coupé
Jul 14 13:10:06 <lcuk_work> there appears to be a rather large badger in my trousers::
Jul 14 13:10:06 <lcuk_work> il semble plutôt être un grand blaireau dans mon pantalon
Jul 14 13:10:14 <rm_you> boolean: dunno, feel free to make revisions if you actually know french :P
Jul 14 13:10:26 <rm_you> boolean: that translation was posted on the forums
Jul 14 13:10:40 <rm_you> oh god
Jul 14 13:10:50 <boolean> will do
Jul 14 13:10:57 <rm_you> Äänimerkki äänenvoimakkuuden muuttuessa
Jul 14 13:11:00 <rm_you> wow
Jul 14 13:11:07 <rm_you> is there a better way to say that?
Jul 14 13:11:29 <wnd> not really
Jul 14 13:11:41 <lcuk_work> rm_you, get used to it, english a pretty compact language
Jul 14 13:11:44 <rm_you> "Beep on volume change" "Beep when volume changes"
Jul 14 13:11:53 <rm_you> yeah, k... will need to do a linebreak then
Jul 14 13:12:02 <rm_you> it makes the dialog look horribly stretched
Jul 14 13:12:10 <boolean> "sonne au changement du volume"
Jul 14 13:12:10 <wnd> the biggest problem with finnish translations is that most of the time people translate word-by-word and not the message
Jul 14 13:12:25 <boolean> ugh .. too long
Jul 14 13:12:59 <rm_you> wnd: do you know finnish?
Jul 14 13:13:17 <wnd> being a finn, to some degree
Jul 14 13:13:29 <rm_you> wnd: care to review the translation file?
Jul 14 13:13:33 <lcuk_work> are you a tailfin or dorsal?
Jul 14 13:13:44 <Kegetys> try to translate "hae lakkaa satamasta kun lakkaa satamasta" word-by-word :P
Jul 14 13:14:18 <wnd> rm_you, I suppose you have a url handly
Jul 14 13:14:38 <rm_you> wnd: working on it... takes me like 30 minutes to browse through to it on garage
Jul 14 13:14:56 <wnd> if it was pasted here I could grep my logs
Jul 14 13:15:36 <jott> wnd https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/fi.po?root=adv-backlight
Jul 14 13:16:38 <jott> ah the "Asetukset" are the other maemo "Settings..." strings also missing the "..."?
Jul 14 13:17:09 <boolean> rm_you: which forum was the french translation mentioned?
Jul 14 13:17:21 <jott> itt i guess ;)
Jul 14 13:17:33 <boolean> heh
Jul 14 13:17:58 <jott> but really feel free to tell us what could be written better..
Jul 14 13:19:09 <wnd> there's a typo on third line from the bottom. it should be "Haluatko", not "Haluakto". I'm thinking of rephrasing that whole thing, it's really just a word-by-word translation.
Jul 14 13:19:31 <rm_you> boolean: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/fr.po?root=adv-backlight
Jul 14 13:19:31 <boolean> actually I going to take it to my translater here in the office to a proper french translation
Jul 14 13:19:33 <jott> wnd: and the "..." are they used in the other places or not?
Jul 14 13:19:48 <jott> boolean: heh nice ;)
Jul 14 13:19:52 <boolean> thanks
Jul 14 13:19:52 <wnd> I remember seeing a maemo platform specs that says that ellipsis should be there
Jul 14 13:20:14 <wnd> iirc ellipsis should be used if the menu item opens another dialog or window
Jul 14 13:20:36 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 14 13:20:54 <GeneralAntilles> FF3 on OS X has go to be the slowest browser I've used in the last 3 years.
Jul 14 13:21:13 <aquatix> on linux it quite rocks
Jul 14 13:21:23 <aquatix> when you ignore flashplayer
Jul 14 13:21:32 <aquatix> [quite crashy, that pos]
Jul 14 13:21:48 <Navi> Flash 10 beta isnt too crashy
Jul 14 13:22:18 <Navi> Ive only had it crash once after a few weeks, when it used to crash regularly
Jul 14 13:23:00 <rm_you> flash 10 beta? for linux, or?
Jul 14 13:23:07 <Navi> Yes, for linux
Jul 14 13:23:16 <rm_you> oo
Jul 14 13:23:20 <rm_you> neat
Jul 14 13:24:06 <pupnik_> one can hardly imagine that blobs aren't being abused by some agent(s) to insert trojans that get activated only when fed certain streams
Jul 14 13:26:37 <rm_you> i like that they're doing equal opportunity releases this cycle :)
Jul 14 13:27:35 <Navi> Theyre probably developing flash in a way that makes sense, so its normal
Jul 14 13:27:39 <wnd> I hate thinking of proper translations. short instructional messages like this should be kept short, simple, and right to the point. the problem is that I hate short sentences.
Jul 14 13:28:02 <jott> wnd hah i had the same problem when translating it to german ;)
Jul 14 13:28:10 <lcuk_work> wnd, rm_you will add scroll bars to the labels for you if it helps :D
Jul 14 13:28:36 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 13:28:43 <Navi> Oh yeah, the adv-backlight applet box is hooge
Jul 14 13:28:47 <rm_you> i wish i knew more languages...
Jul 14 13:28:52 <wnd> I'm thinking of "Haluatko varmasti sallia taustavalon sammuttamisen? \n Näyttö saattaa olla lukukelvoton taustavalon sammuttua. Taustavalon kytkeminen takaisin päälle voi olla tällöin vaikeaa."
Jul 14 13:28:58 <rm_you> i very often attempt to be terse
Jul 14 13:29:05 <jott> Navi: finger-friendly ;)
Jul 14 13:29:29 <Navi> Is that what you call it? I call it a waste of space :P
Jul 14 13:29:30 <lcuk_work> visible from orbit :)
Jul 14 13:29:36 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, it's a freaking applet.
Jul 14 13:29:39 * lcuk_work does not mind one bit 
Jul 14 13:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> Who cares how much space it uses?
Jul 14 13:29:44 <wnd> any comments from other finns?
Jul 14 13:29:45 <rm_you> i KNOW lcuk_work is a fan of that :P
Jul 14 13:29:54 <GeneralAntilles> It's not like you're doing anything other than changing one of its settings when it's open.
Jul 14 13:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> What, do you want to browse the web when it's open?
Jul 14 13:30:21 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, thats a question that doesnt need asking
Jul 14 13:30:35 <lcuk_work> he  wants to see if its bright enough to still see skin tones but dark enough so noone behind him can see ;)
Jul 14 13:30:41 <rm_you> then how is it a waste of space :P
Jul 14 13:30:47 <rm_you> rofl
Jul 14 13:31:03 <lcuk_work> </subtle>
Jul 14 13:31:16 <jott> hehe
Jul 14 13:32:41 <wnd> hmm does "brightness step size" make sense? wouldn't that be "brightness adjustment step size" or "brightness (adjustment) resolution"?-)
Jul 14 13:32:47 <johnx> rm_you, speaking of browsing the web, why not just embed a web browser?
Jul 14 13:32:57 <aquatix> lcuk_work: lol
Jul 14 13:33:01 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 13:33:16 <Navi> johnx, why not call it emacs?
Jul 14 13:33:22 <jott> wnd: possibly .. now it's too late :P
Jul 14 13:33:24 <rm_you> wnd: my original wording was "brightness increment"
Jul 14 13:33:28 <jott> string freeze :)
Jul 14 13:33:45 <johnx> Naked, cause it's python not lisp
Jul 14 13:33:58 <rm_you> ^^ Navi
Jul 14 13:34:08 <johnx> oops
Jul 14 13:34:17 <rm_you> got as far as Na :P
Jul 14 13:34:22 <wnd> jott, you should've used cryptic translation ids instead ;-)
Jul 14 13:34:46 <rm_you> I actually hate the way this version of xchat makes tab completion select the first name and cycle instead of acting like BASH tab completion
Jul 14 13:35:06 <wnd> but seriously speaking I don't see why one couldn't create a separate translation file for english, even if it was native language of the application
Jul 14 13:35:14 <rm_you> LOL
Jul 14 13:35:20 <rm_you> wnd: that is an interesting point
Jul 14 13:35:26 <Navi> I like the way weechat does its tab completion
Jul 14 13:35:26 <jott> wnd: hehe
Jul 14 13:35:38 <wnd> rm_you, you're talking about xchat2, pre-gtk2 version used to do it like bash
Jul 14 13:35:39 <jott> wnd: well it's not hard to change the string and update the translation files
Jul 14 13:35:56 <jott> though it would just generate some fuzzy translations now :)
Jul 14 13:36:02 <wnd> sure, but it's not necessary, really
Jul 14 13:36:58 <jott> and actually en_US and en_EN really differ ;)
Jul 14 13:37:04 <rm_you> jott: technically only if they are word for word translations... if they are contectual, then they already translated it better than we did, and would translate our changed string the same way :P
Jul 14 13:37:19 <rm_you> s/contectual/contextual/
Jul 14 13:37:19 <infobot> rm_you meant: jott: technically only if they are word for word translations... if they are contextual, then they already translated it better than we did, and would translate our changed string the same way :P
Jul 14 13:37:25 * GeneralAntilles should probably figure out how the hell Mozilla preferences work at some point.
Jul 14 13:37:30 <jott> rm_you: yeah sure, still the translation would be fuzzy as we don't know it's exact meaning ;)
Jul 14 13:37:35 <rm_you> truth
Jul 14 13:37:42 <rm_you> but they are all already marked as fuzzy >_<
Jul 14 13:37:48 <jott> no :P
Jul 14 13:37:51 <jott> not anymore ;)
Jul 14 13:38:14 <rm_you> ah
Jul 14 13:38:15 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 13:38:16 <jott> well we can see, wnd has a point in improving the english string..
Jul 14 13:38:54 * GeneralAntilles kills himself.
Jul 14 13:39:03 <GeneralAntilles> Why can't I set general.useragent.override in prefs.js?
Jul 14 13:39:11 <Navi> Everyone party, GeneralAntilles is dead
Jul 14 13:39:29 * jott takes GeneralAntilles internet tablets and vanishes
Jul 14 13:41:02 <jott> GeneralAntilles: can't you just set the stuff in about:config?
Jul 14 13:41:19 <GeneralAntilles> I don't want to tap that shit out on a virtual keyboard.
Jul 14 13:41:40 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: copy/paste it >_>
Jul 14 13:41:48 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, from where? :P
Jul 14 13:41:51 <rm_you> anywhere
Jul 14 13:41:52 <GeneralAntilles> IM it to myself first.
Jul 14 13:41:56 <rm_you> that
Jul 14 13:41:58 <jott> xterm? ;)
Jul 14 13:41:59 <GeneralAntilles> I just want to ssh in and change it with vi
Jul 14 13:42:01 <rm_you> or scp a text file and open it
Jul 14 13:42:04 <GeneralAntilles> but for some goddamn reason I can't do that.
Jul 14 13:42:08 <rm_you> or ssh in and wall it
Jul 14 13:42:10 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 14 13:42:17 <rm_you> doesn't matter how
Jul 14 13:42:35 <GeneralAntilles> prefs.js doesn't seem to keep settings changes.
Jul 14 13:42:55 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: close Fx first
Jul 14 13:42:57 <aquatix> ;)
Jul 14 13:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> about:config doesn't keep settings changes, either.
Jul 14 13:43:08 <lcuk_work> GeneralAntilles, ensure the browser is closed
Jul 14 13:43:15 <lcuk_work> and not running
Jul 14 13:43:18 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk_work, yes, I've tried every which way.
Jul 14 13:43:24 <GeneralAntilles> Including, now, from about:config
Jul 14 13:43:40 <lcuk_work> your browser fails
Jul 14 13:43:47 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB, yes.
Jul 14 13:43:54 <dneary> Hello
Jul 14 13:43:57 * GeneralAntilles sends an angry email to Apple instead.
Jul 14 13:44:00 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, dneary.
Jul 14 13:44:03 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Thank you thank you thank you!
Jul 14 13:44:07 <lcuk_work> hi dneary \o
Jul 14 13:44:13 <dneary> Hi lcuk
Jul 14 13:44:45 * lcuk_work better get back to work
Jul 14 13:44:53 * jott too
Jul 14 13:44:56 <dneary> lcuk_work: So you reckon that CCing maemo-developers for WPotD will make things a bit better?
Jul 14 13:44:57 <lcuk_work> heh
Jul 14 13:45:14 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, no.
Jul 14 13:45:23 <GeneralAntilles> It didn't work before. :P
Jul 14 13:45:25 <aquatix> feh, work
Jul 14 13:45:38 * aquatix is at work
Jul 14 13:45:43 <aquatix> physically
Jul 14 13:45:47 <aquatix> mentally though... ;)
Jul 14 13:45:55 <dneary> I really need a Scratchbox user to test Valgrind + gdb wiki page
Jul 14 13:46:03 <lcuk_work> dneary, personally yes, i managed to read an article every day, however it didnt make any difference to my p[ersonal editing - ive still nto found where i fit in with documentation
Jul 14 13:46:41 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, I've been trying to get a scratchbox user to flesh out the _real_ wikipedia article on the SDK for months now.
Jul 14 13:46:44 <GeneralAntilles> Good luck with that. ;)
Jul 14 13:47:28 <dneary> lcuk_work: It's fairly easy - there are two aspects to editing an article: 1. replacing outdated information with more accurate information, and 2. revising the tone of the page to make it clearer. If you're a good writer, you can do 2 without doing 1, if you're technical but not a great writer you can do 1 without doing 2.
Jul 14 13:47:43 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Thanks :)
Jul 14 13:47:48 <dneary> Who were you talking to?
Jul 14 13:48:16 <lcuk_work> dneary, from my side i only know the 810 and would not know what was safe to remove or not.  and most of all, im crap at #2 - i prefer to be in the engine room :)
Jul 14 13:48:27 <dneary> I could ask some of the OH guys maybe...
Jul 14 13:49:02 <dneary> Today is July 14th here, défilé militaire, fireworks, parades, Tour de France mountain stage, public holiday
Jul 14 13:49:03 <lcuk_work> must dash though
Jul 14 13:49:08 <lcuk_work> back later
Jul 14 13:49:21 * Navi yawns
Jul 14 13:49:25 <rm_you> :)
Jul 14 13:49:32 <dneary> The cyclists are 4km from the summit of the Tourmalet now
Jul 14 13:49:39 <dneary> Hi Navi
Jul 14 13:49:47 <Navi> Hi
Jul 14 13:49:56 <dneary> Navi: Do you know about modifying a jffs image?
Jul 14 13:50:05 <Navi> Nope
Jul 14 13:50:29 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: In the absence of an update, I think we should just remove the Midgard tags on that now - it's not going to get any better short-term
Jul 14 13:51:03 <dneary> Be back in a little while - celebrating Sean's birthday.
Jul 14 13:56:53 <wiza> how can I enable virtual keyboard on n810
Jul 14 13:57:05 <wiza> some finger gesture?
Jul 14 14:01:56 <boolean> wierd .. ever since I added the avanced-backlight with the languages, the text on some apps are acting up
Jul 14 14:02:37 <boolean> example: the list from the "select applets" from the home icon show the package names  ( rr_ap_new_reader ... )
Jul 14 14:04:47 <rm_you> yeah, loading apps is giving me weird things now too
Jul 14 14:04:59 <aquatix> voodoo!
Jul 14 14:05:21 <rm_you> like when i loaded firefox, the little notice thing said like... "ckct_ib_application_loading"
Jul 14 14:05:30 <rm_you> which i've never seen before
Jul 14 14:05:40 <rm_you> normally it used to say something like "Loading browser"
Jul 14 14:05:42 <mgedmin> "with the languages"? what does that mean?
Jul 14 14:05:52 <aquatix> rm_you: you totally borked a slew of tablets!
Jul 14 14:05:54 <aquatix> pwnage
Jul 14 14:05:57 <mgedmin> you're seeing untranslated message IDs because there are no translation files for your locale
Jul 14 14:06:03 <aquatix> mgedmin: localised version
Jul 14 14:06:16 <mgedmin> aquatix: more specifics?
Jul 14 14:06:23 <rm_you> mgedmin: we are just releasing a beta of advanced-backlight including localizations
Jul 14 14:06:28 <mgedmin> hm
Jul 14 14:06:37 <rm_you> and since the install, this happens
Jul 14 14:06:41 <mgedmin> if all you're doing is shipping extra .po files, that shouldn't break other programs
Jul 14 14:06:45 <rm_you> don't know how it would affect other apps
Jul 14 14:06:49 <rm_you> erk
Jul 14 14:06:51 <mgedmin> unless you're somehow overwriting a file that belongs to the os
Jul 14 14:06:53 <rm_you> i wonder
Jul 14 14:06:54 <mgedmin> but dpkg won't let you do that
Jul 14 14:07:02 <rm_you> is it possible we named them wrong?
Jul 14 14:07:06 <rm_you> jott: ?
Jul 14 14:07:15 <aquatix> mgedmin: 14:49:26          jott | ok again with bumped version number: http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.12-8_armel.deb <- first test package with de es fi fr nl
Jul 14 14:07:39 <rm_you> but weird
Jul 14 14:07:54 <rm_you> we didn't SHIP an english locale, but it messing with my current english region stuff too
Jul 14 14:08:02 <boolean> hmm
Jul 14 14:08:12 <boolean> btw I added some french translation to the forum
Jul 14 14:08:23 * mgedmin will take a look
Jul 14 14:09:02 <mgedmin> hey, are you calling gettext methods like settranslationdomain() in your plugin?
Jul 14 14:09:12 <rm_you> I have NO idea how to do the accents... anyone help with that?
Jul 14 14:09:12 <mgedmin> that's global to the process
Jul 14 14:09:23 <mgedmin> which means you're overriding the translation domain for the whole hildon-desktop
Jul 14 14:09:48 <aquatix> neat
Jul 14 14:10:00 <rm_you> mgedmin: to my knowledge we're just using gettext(text)
Jul 14 14:10:10 <mgedmin> where could I see the source code?
Jul 14 14:10:24 <mgedmin> web-browseable svn repository would be quickest
Jul 14 14:10:35 <mgedmin> eek, coworkers demand my presence in a short status meeting right now
Jul 14 14:10:37 <mgedmin> back soon
Jul 14 14:10:42 <rm_you>   setlocale (LC_ALL, "");
Jul 14 14:10:42 <rm_you>   bindtextdomain (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, LOCALE_DIR);
Jul 14 14:10:42 <rm_you>   bind_textdomain_codeset (GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "UTF-8");
Jul 14 14:10:42 <rm_you>   textdomain (GETTEXT_PACKAGE);
Jul 14 14:10:46 <aquatix> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/
Jul 14 14:11:05 <rm_you> that's all of the gettext stuff
Jul 14 14:11:12 <aquatix> oh, that link is broken
Jul 14 14:20:44 <RST38h> ah, the wonders of localization...
Jul 14 14:23:48 <aquatix> RST38h: where you one of the modest devvers?
Jul 14 14:24:29 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Bugzilla plugin installed, but doesn't work yet.
Jul 14 14:24:30 * aquatix wonders when svn weekly snapshots of modest for diablo will be available
Jul 14 14:26:28 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, yeah, saw that.
Jul 14 14:26:30 * GeneralAntilles is excited.
Jul 14 14:26:52 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 14:26:56 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But maemo.org can't reach the database yet ;) So we need the ISP to set that up ;)
Jul 14 14:26:57 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: you going to do the porting?
Jul 14 14:27:08 <GeneralAntilles> Porting?
Jul 14 14:27:09 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: I closed a lot of the tasks/bugs, so you have significantly less to do :P
Jul 14 14:27:12 <rm_you> of bugs
Jul 14 14:27:16 <rm_you> for us :P
Jul 14 14:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> Garage in Bugzilla has nothing to do with this.
Jul 14 14:27:38 <GeneralAntilles> This is the mediawiki plugin.
Jul 14 14:27:42 <rm_you> ah :(
Jul 14 14:27:49 <rm_you> sadness
Jul 14 14:27:56 <rm_you> but cool :P
Jul 14 14:28:16 <GeneralAntilles> But, yeah, when we roll around to that point (/me pokes andre____ repeatedly) I will. ;)
Jul 14 14:32:18 <qwerty12> Ok, I've uploaded my easyroot clone (with rootsh) to extras-devel. I've tested it on my device fine (after removing easyroot fine) but I would appreciate more testers before uploading to extras. It's in chinook and diablo extras-devel. Thanks.
Jul 14 14:32:57 <qwerty12> Oops, package is called rootsh.
Jul 14 14:33:03 <GeneralAntilles> Does sudo gainroot work?
Jul 14 14:33:12 <qwerty12> Yes, I tried it this morning.
Jul 14 14:33:23 <qwerty12> I've also shoved in the easyroot "root" command too.
Jul 14 14:33:40 <summatusmentis> why is there an easyroot clone?
Jul 14 14:33:43 <summatusmentis> for the hell of it?
Jul 14 14:33:51 <GeneralAntilles> Because the author of easyroot sucks
Jul 14 14:33:57 <GeneralAntilles> and wont put his stuff in Extras
Jul 14 14:34:01 <qwerty12> Because the easyroot guy wouldn't respond to GA's request to upload in extras.
Jul 14 14:34:08 <GeneralAntilles> easyroot is _already_ a clone of becomeroot, anyway.
Jul 14 14:34:08 <summatusmentis> lol
Jul 14 14:34:39 <mgedmin> rm_you: that textdomain() call is your problem
Jul 14 14:35:02 <mgedmin> unfortunately, I don't know how to solve it :(
Jul 14 14:35:14 <mgedmin> wait, maybe I know
Jul 14 14:35:37 <rm_you> is it?
Jul 14 14:35:45 <mgedmin> use dgettext instead of gettext
Jul 14 14:35:50 <rm_you> ?
Jul 14 14:35:56 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, works fine here.
Jul 14 14:36:13 <rm_you> johnx: gah... can't decide
Jul 14 14:36:20 <rm_you> http://msg150.com/2008/01/lunch-16-samurai-noodle.html    or    http://msg150.com/2007/11/lunch-8-szechuan-noodle-bowl.html
Jul 14 14:36:26 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Cool, thanks for testing. I'll give it another run and if I am satisfied, I'll promote it.
Jul 14 14:36:41 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, then all that's left is to get the word out. ;)
Jul 14 14:36:49 <GeneralAntilles> Is it in Chinook Extras, too?
Jul 14 14:36:54 <jott> ~lart gtk+ tutorials about i18n :/
Jul 14 14:36:55 * infobot stabs gtk+ tutorials about i18n :/
Jul 14 14:37:06 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Chinook Extras-devel so far.
Jul 14 14:37:06 <johnx> rm_you, truly your life is hard. I have no freaking idea. :P
Jul 14 14:37:14 <mgedmin> rm_you: hildon-desktop uses gettext for i18n, right?  and it needs the "maemo-af-desktop" text domain, probably
Jul 14 14:37:14 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 14:37:19 <rm_you> this is a nightmare...
Jul 14 14:37:24 <GeneralAntilles> er, yeah, that's what I meant. :D Cool.
Jul 14 14:37:27 <mgedmin> now you are doing i18n in the same process, but you want the "advanced-backlight" text domain
Jul 14 14:37:29 <rm_you> ah, i will do one today and one tomorrow!
Jul 14 14:37:35 <rm_you> ... but WHICH TODAY!? >_<
Jul 14 14:37:41 <mgedmin> therefore you can't both use the same global text domain that is being set by textdomain()
Jul 14 14:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, the second one.
Jul 14 14:38:08 <mgedmin> what you could do instead, is replace gettext("a message") with gettext("advanced-backlight", "a message")
Jul 14 14:38:12 <mgedmin> sorry
Jul 14 14:38:15 <mgedmin> what you could do instead, is replace gettext("a message") with dgettext("advanced-backlight", "a message")
Jul 14 14:38:21 <mgedmin> now, gettext uses macros to make life easier
Jul 14 14:38:24 <rm_you> kk
Jul 14 14:38:26 <rm_you> yeah we have one
Jul 14 14:38:35 <mgedmin> therefore you get _("a message") instead of gettext("a message") in the source code
Jul 14 14:38:39 <rm_you> #define _(text) gettext(text)
Jul 14 14:38:51 <rm_you> #define _(text) dgettext("advanced-backlight", text)
Jul 14 14:38:52 <rm_you> done
Jul 14 14:38:55 <mgedmin> and textdomain(GETTEXT_PACKAGE) instead of textdomain("advanced-backlight")
Jul 14 14:39:08 <mgedmin> I'd probably use #define _(text) dgettext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, text)
Jul 14 14:39:14 <rm_you> jott: can you test that? still no buildbox here
Jul 14 14:39:21 <rm_you> k
Jul 14 14:39:27 <jott> yeah i can give it a shot
Jul 14 14:45:37 <qwerty12> Ok, it installs fine, it uninstalls fine and conflicting packages are specified. Time for promotion :)
Jul 14 14:46:00 <aquatix> it?
Jul 14 14:46:12 <qwerty12> The easyroot clone.
Jul 14 14:46:18 <aquatix> ah
Jul 14 14:47:47 <tank-man> what does the package do?
Jul 14 14:47:57 <tank-man> let you use sudo gainroot?
Jul 14 14:48:20 <qwerty12> Same thing as easyroot tbh, I only did it out of convenience so I don't have to get my ass onto nitapps.com :)
Jul 14 14:48:32 * aquatix just did the trick with sshd
Jul 14 14:48:53 <tank-man> me too, i just commented out the R&D check by ssh'ing in
Jul 14 14:49:49 * mgedmin just does visudo after ssh'ing in
Jul 14 14:50:00 <aquatix> sudo su -
Jul 14 14:50:32 <aquatix> should set an evilly long pw
Jul 14 14:50:48 <aquatix> so i would be typing for two minutes on the n810's kb to get root ;)
Jul 14 14:50:53 <tank-man> "my password is just the letter A"
Jul 14 14:50:59 <aquatix> tank-man: ip?
Jul 14 14:51:04 * mgedmin knows a person who uses ` as a password
Jul 14 14:51:15 <qwerty12> /msg NickServ identify a
Jul 14 14:51:17 <lcuk_work> little bobby tables?
Jul 14 14:51:29 * aquatix thinks he knows which person mgedmin means ;)
Jul 14 14:51:34 <summatusmentis> lcuk_work: :)
Jul 14 14:51:36 <aquatix> mgedmin: what's your ip and username? ;)
Jul 14 14:51:41 <mgedmin> it's related
Jul 14 14:51:53 <aquatix> lcuk_work: ghehehe
Jul 14 14:52:02 <mgedmin> when you register the account and get an error from that, you know you don't want to trust them with your data
Jul 14 14:52:06 <aquatix> i should do that trick in a few years
Jul 14 14:52:08 <mgedmin> lcuk_work: you don't know him
Jul 14 14:52:50 <lcuk_work> mgedmin, http://xkcd.com/327/
Jul 14 14:53:49 <lardman> re
Jul 14 14:53:50 <mgedmin> that last thing was supposed to be directed to aquatix, not lcuk...
Jul 14 14:53:57 * mgedmin loves xkcd
Jul 14 14:54:04 <qwerty12> hi lardman
Jul 14 14:54:10 <lcuk_work> all is good in the world then
Jul 14 14:54:10 <lardman> hey qwerty12
Jul 14 14:54:14 <aquatix> mgedmin: ah ;)
Jul 14 14:54:17 <lcuk_work> hey lardman, still got your hat?
Jul 14 14:54:24 <X-Fade> templace #maemo
Jul 14 14:54:43 <mgedmin> that was probably some irssi command?
Jul 14 14:54:44 <lardman> lcuk_work: hat?
Jul 14 14:54:57 <lcuk_work> lol lardman, we were discussin xkcd again
Jul 14 14:55:01 <X-Fade> mgedmin: Hmm no, typo and wrong window ;)
Jul 14 14:55:52 <lcuk_work> anyway,ill bob back later
Jul 14 14:56:09 * lardman is confused
Jul 14 14:56:55 <jott> mh mgedmin this does not seem to help as it seems, :/
Jul 14 14:57:09 <jott> maybe setting the textdomain is not working within a plugin?
Jul 14 14:57:11 <mgedmin> hmm
Jul 14 14:57:27 <mgedmin> jott: that's unpossible!
Jul 14 14:57:27 <jott> i.e. we have to use the same textdomain as the parent
Jul 14 14:57:32 <mgedmin> yes, exactly
Jul 14 14:57:41 <mgedmin> you can only use one global text domain in a process
Jul 14 14:57:46 <jott> ah
Jul 14 14:57:51 <jott> ok makes sense
Jul 14 14:57:59 <mgedmin> also, calling setlocale from a plugin is a bit unfriendly
Jul 14 14:58:06 <jott> yeah i already removed it
Jul 14 14:58:27 <mgedmin> I think everything should work if you just call bindtextdomain, bind_textdomain_codeset, and then use dgetttext(GETTEXT_PACKAGE, ...)
Jul 14 14:58:58 <mgedmin> non-object-oriented C apis suck
Jul 14 14:59:19 <jott> bindtextdomain seems to alter the textdomain too :/
Jul 14 14:59:28 <mgedmin> oh?
Jul 14 14:59:31 <mgedmin> hm
Jul 14 14:59:45 <mgedmin> maybe I'm wrong about GETTEXT_PACKAGE resolving to "advanced-backlight"
Jul 14 14:59:47 <jott> so probably just dgettext(MAEMO_GETTEXT_PACKAGE, "") should work?
Jul 14 15:00:02 <jott> no GETTEXT_PACKAGE is advanced-backlight
Jul 14 15:00:04 <mgedmin> you need to call bindtextdomain to tell gettext where to find your .mo file
Jul 14 15:00:23 <jott> but i though we need to set GETTEXT_PACKAGE = PARENT_GETTEXT_PACKAGE ?
Jul 14 15:00:52 <mgedmin> no, that would be very bad
Jul 14 15:00:55 <jott> ok
Jul 14 15:01:10 <mgedmin> you want to use two message catalogs at once
Jul 14 15:01:14 * jott probably has to read some docs and not just follow a random tutorial :/
Jul 14 15:01:15 <mgedmin> that means two different text domains
Jul 14 15:01:48 <jott> ah ok..
Jul 14 15:02:14 <jott> so. bindtextdomain sets the global default domain
Jul 14 15:02:24 <jott> erm
Jul 14 15:02:28 <jott> textdomain
Jul 14 15:02:39 <jott> and bindtextdomain sets a path for a specific one
Jul 14 15:03:10 * jott gives it another try
Jul 14 15:03:27 <andre____> anybody with an N800 able to repro bug 3300?
Jul 14 15:03:48 <jott> so textdomain is evil :)
Jul 14 15:04:05 <jott> atleast in plugins ;)
Jul 14 15:04:24 <mgedmin> jott: you've got it!
Jul 14 15:04:57 <jott> yeah man pages to the rescue ;)
Jul 14 15:05:03 <wnd> iirc calling bindtextdomain() and using dgettext() should be enough
Jul 14 15:05:20 <jott> wnd: yeah that's what i ended up with now
Jul 14 15:05:38 <mgedmin> this could be a topic for a blog post
Jul 14 15:05:50 <jott> i also forced utf-8 for bind_textdomain_codeset  the domain
Jul 14 15:05:51 <mgedmin> "how to do translated hildon plugins"
Jul 14 15:05:55 <jott> with..
Jul 14 15:06:15 * mgedmin doesn't know if that's good or bad
Jul 14 15:06:18 * mgedmin not a big gettext expert
Jul 14 15:06:35 * mgedmin never even knew about bind_textdomain_codeset before today
Jul 14 15:08:46 <johnx> Stskeeps, finally fixed my stupid typos and got debian installing again. how the heck did you hack up screen dimming?!
Jul 14 15:08:47 <jott> we use utf-8 in all of our message http://linux.die.net/man/3/bind_textdomain_codeset so this should be ok
Jul 14 15:10:09 <rm_you> johnx: would something like an advanced-backlight port be useful, or is backlight/volume/rotation support all covered? :P
Jul 14 15:10:45 <johnx> rm_you, I guess Stskeeps did get the dsme stuff working...
Jul 14 15:10:57 <johnx> I'd be more comfortable not using it when we don't need to though :/
Jul 14 15:11:07 <rm_you> lol yeah, agree
Jul 14 15:11:19 <rm_you> but is there a better way to control it in debian?
Jul 14 15:11:23 <qwerty12> johnx, do you have an howto with grabbing debian with the latest pimped up stuff by you and Stskeeps? :)
Jul 14 15:11:28 <jott> phew ok
Jul 14 15:11:31 <johnx> rm_you, yeah with /sys :P and alsamixer
Jul 14 15:12:00 <johnx> qwerty12, from diablo? I can send you a tarball of what I just installed I guess
Jul 14 15:12:08 <jott> updated http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.12-8_armel.deb  thanks for the help and testing
Jul 14 15:12:15 <johnx> qwerty12, I mean a tarball of the installer
Jul 14 15:12:29 <qwerty12> johnx, ah, sigh, yes, the installer would be nice please
Jul 14 15:13:16 <jott> johnx: yeah well adv-backlight could be made portable without big effort
Jul 14 15:13:22 <jott> nokia 770  is already in..
Jul 14 15:13:52 <jott> so adding support for generic /sys and hal is straight forward
Jul 14 15:14:15 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, stick an announcement for rootsh on itT?
Jul 14 15:14:19 <johnx> good deal
Jul 14 15:14:42 <jott> atleast if you run hildon..
Jul 14 15:15:02 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I'm not so bothered about announcing it, the majority of people already use easyroot and I don't see any advantages in this :)
Jul 14 15:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> I do. ;)
Jul 14 15:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extras, and much better to recommend to newbies.
Jul 14 15:15:28 <GeneralAntilles> People need to know it exists
Jul 14 15:15:33 <GeneralAntilles> whether or not they switch to it themselves
Jul 14 15:15:33 <Atarii> same, sudo gainroot works as well as root, that an advantage also
Jul 14 15:15:38 <GeneralAntilles> they should be recommending it to all new users.
Jul 14 15:16:31 <qwerty12> Hmm, fair points. I'll wait until it is populated in extras first though.
Jul 14 15:16:33 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Is there a garage project for it?
Jul 14 15:16:45 <qwerty12> X-Fade, no. (Thanks for invite btw)
Jul 14 15:17:04 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Ah, I could have promoted the story to the frontpage then :)
Jul 14 15:17:24 <Stskeeps> johnx: dsme.py
Jul 14 15:17:34 <rm_you> jott: increase build number every time you make a build public >_>
Jul 14 15:17:48 <jott> rm_you: heh this are non public builds :p
Jul 14 15:17:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk
Jul 14 15:18:10 <Stskeeps> or the installer johnx just mentioned ;)
Jul 14 15:18:12 <rm_you> jott: the second it goes on the internet it is public
Jul 14 15:18:15 <qwerty12> X-Fade, Ah. I thought that it got updated automatically when it was uploaded to extras or am I just confused?
Jul 14 15:18:20 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, Thanks
Jul 14 15:18:29 <Stskeeps> johnx's include diablo fixes so
Jul 14 15:18:39 <johnx> Stskeeps, I need to checkin the hald-addon-bme fixes
Jul 14 15:18:46 <johnx> but I don't even know if they work O_o
Jul 14 15:18:46 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jul 14 15:18:47 <rm_you> jott: if there are ANY changes to the build, it should not have the same version as a previous build, if you release it on the internet.
Jul 14 15:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, how often are the .installs generated?
Jul 14 15:18:52 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Two separate things ;) I was talking about an announcement, you /downloads ;)
Jul 14 15:18:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: well if lshal | grep battery works, they work
Jul 14 15:18:59 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 15:19:02 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: For diablo, never.
Jul 14 15:19:18 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: That is what I posted to -developers about, but nobody seems to care.
Jul 14 15:19:19 <qwerty12> X-Fade, Ooh, my bad. Heh, /downloads is enough for me :)
Jul 14 15:19:24 <johnx> Stskeeps, Houston, we have battery!
Jul 14 15:19:53 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, right, I know, but for Chinook?
Jul 14 15:20:01 <GeneralAntilles> The Chinook .installs don't have a distribution field.
Jul 14 15:20:05 <GeneralAntilles> So it really doesn't matter.
Jul 14 15:20:15 <GeneralAntilles> As long as the same package exists in Diablo Extras I can use that.
Jul 14 15:20:20 <GeneralAntilles> I need a rootsh .install for the wiki page.
Jul 14 15:20:38 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Only when a package gets uploaded with dput. Promotion suffers from the same problem as diablo.
Jul 14 15:20:55 <qwerty12> I uploaded it using web interface :/
Jul 14 15:21:02 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Problem is those packages don't pass through the incoming queue, where the install is generated.
Jul 14 15:21:42 <X-Fade> We need to rewrite the promotion interface to use the proper incoming queue for extras.
Jul 14 15:21:55 <jott> rm_you: better not have broken packages out there ;>
Jul 14 15:21:59 <X-Fade> Help appreciated btw ;D
Jul 14 15:22:56 <jott> but i think we are getting towards stable now ;)
Jul 14 15:24:14 <rm_you> much closer, yes
Jul 14 15:24:19 <rm_you> still needs testing on 770
Jul 14 15:24:24 <rm_you> i guarantee there's a crash currently
Jul 14 15:24:33 <jott> where?
Jul 14 15:24:35 <rm_you> because i never changed it
Jul 14 15:24:44 <rm_you> on 770, if you try to change volume above 124
Jul 14 15:24:47 <rm_you> no idea why
Jul 14 15:24:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: for chinook we'd prolly have a mix of hald-addon-retu-adc and bme-dbus-proxy or something.. but if people want the perfect experience they should get the hald-addon-bme
Jul 14 15:24:51 <rm_you> eerrr
Jul 14 15:24:54 <Stskeeps> (from diablo)
Jul 14 15:25:02 <rm_you> brightness, not volume
Jul 14 15:25:18 <jott> ah.. so just restrict it on the 770?
Jul 14 15:25:55 <jott> like max_brightness = is_n770 ? 127 : 124; ?
Jul 14 15:25:58 <rm_you> no... it should work
Jul 14 15:26:02 <rm_you> it must be broken somehow
Jul 14 15:26:04 <rm_you> not sure why
Jul 14 15:26:11 <rm_you> i believe <_<
Jul 14 15:26:13 <johnx> Stskeeps, anyone who's on a tablet has the right to download diablo...so can we just grab the packages direct from the repo?
Jul 14 15:26:33 <Stskeeps> johnx: i'm not sure it's in repo?
Jul 14 15:26:36 <Stskeeps> if it is, sure
Jul 14 15:26:42 * johnx checks
Jul 14 15:26:44 <rm_you> I wish I had a 770 to test, or a 2008HE build environment to test in
Jul 14 15:26:53 <qwerty12> Direct from diablo tableteer repo? You would need the password or apply the apt-get patch ;)
Jul 14 15:27:02 <rm_you> err, to build in. as it is now, we have to wait for autobuilder to make test packages
Jul 14 15:27:10 <rm_you> which is 45 minutes each try
Jul 14 15:27:43 <jott> aren't there folks with a running 770 toolchain and a 770 out there? ;)
Jul 14 15:28:07 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, updated https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#rootsh
Jul 14 15:28:10 <johnx> qwerty12, does chinook apt-get have the patch needed?
Jul 14 15:28:12 <GeneralAntilles> Still need a .install, though.
Jul 14 15:28:26 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, no.
Jul 14 15:28:33 <johnx> bleh
Jul 14 15:28:34 <qwerty12> johnx, iirc no.
Jul 14 15:28:35 <johnx> stupid situation
Jul 14 15:28:38 <qwerty12> too late :)
Jul 14 15:28:50 <GeneralAntilles> You could just put the username and password in the sources.list
Jul 14 15:29:15 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Nice, thanks.
Jul 14 15:29:25 <johnx> is that kosher?
Jul 14 15:29:33 <GeneralAntilles> Well, depends.
Jul 14 15:29:37 <GeneralAntilles> What sort of kosher? ;)
Jul 14 15:29:37 <rm_you> qwerty12: could i get your opera for 2008 deb? :P
Jul 14 15:29:51 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, does it have pig in it?
Jul 14 15:29:52 <qwerty12> rm_you, It's not mine, it's Bundyo's. But PM on the way :)
Jul 14 15:29:59 <rm_you> :P
Jul 14 15:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, legally it's a bit gray, technically it's fine.
Jul 14 15:30:29 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, make a rootsh announcement so I can cheerlead for it. ;)
Jul 14 15:30:43 <johnx> yeah, now that we're doing things "the right way" it'd be nice to be completely legal
Jul 14 15:31:32 <GeneralAntilles> Can't you use Diablo's apt?
Jul 14 15:31:46 <johnx> we'd have to download it if we were on chinook...
Jul 14 15:31:50 <johnx> from the repo
Jul 14 15:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Jul 14 15:32:00 <johnx> though actually, the password is applied as a patch to apt-get, right?
Jul 14 15:32:04 <qwerty12> yes
Jul 14 15:32:05 <johnx> so the password is GPLed
Jul 14 15:32:11 <Stskeeps> lol
Jul 14 15:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 14 15:32:14 <johnx> <_<
Jul 14 15:32:16 <johnx> >_>
Jul 14 15:32:22 <GeneralAntilles> That still doesn't solve the legal issues. ;)
Jul 14 15:32:27 <GeneralAntilles> and the password isn't GPLed
Jul 14 15:32:29 <qwerty12> johnx, you could just build your own apt from the source too and just upload it somewhere?
Jul 14 15:32:34 <GeneralAntilles> the code for generating the password is GPLed
Jul 14 15:33:04 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, alright, so I'll look at the code and make a reimplementation in sh
Jul 14 15:33:09 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, When it's properly populated in extras, that's when I'll announce it.
Jul 14 15:33:31 <GeneralAntilles> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/
Jul 14 15:33:31 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jul 14 15:33:54 <qwerty12> But it's not in Packages so it won't show up :P
Jul 14 15:34:10 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/apt-0.7.6maemo2/http-tablet-identification.patch
Jul 14 15:34:45 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say that if you use similar code to generate the password based on the same information that Nokia uses, then you're probably mostly OK.
Jul 14 15:35:00 <qwerty12> "There is a library in maemo somewhere to do this, but it is not included in the maemo SDK, so we have to do it ourselves.  Ridiculous, I know." - Sounds like libdsme to me :/
Jul 14 15:35:25 <GeneralAntilles> So, if you're on a tablet generating the username and password from information about that tablet, they therefore own a tablet and should legally have access to the repo.
Jul 14 15:35:35 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: well, installer must be run on a tablet, so
Jul 14 15:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Jul 14 15:36:25 <rm_you> HAHAHAHAthey do product_hardware checking the same way I do
Jul 14 15:36:31 <rm_you> and you all called me insane!
Jul 14 15:36:39 <rm_you> MUAHAHAHAHAHA
Jul 14 15:37:05 <GeneralAntilles> Laughing like that . . .
Jul 14 15:37:06 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jul 14 15:37:20 <rm_you> lol... the password is from Wargames :P
Jul 14 15:37:32 <qwerty12> rm_you, get me libdsme and I'll laugh with you (cal.h in there would tell you the hardware :P)
Jul 14 15:38:01 <GAN800> ~lart Nokia for being dumb
Jul 14 15:38:02 * infobot blasts Nokia to oblivion with a kamehameha wave for being dumb
Jul 14 15:38:24 <boolean>  /ws 1
Jul 14 15:38:30 <boolean> oops
Jul 14 15:38:42 <Stskeeps> is lock code in CAL?
Jul 14 15:38:42 <johnx> wait a sec, so apt checks the hardware, then if it's good it uses the password it already knows?!
Jul 14 15:38:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yes
Jul 14 15:39:04 <rm_you> lol yes
Jul 14 15:39:09 <rm_you> kinda dumb :P
Jul 14 15:39:12 <johnx> OMGWTFBBQ
Jul 14 15:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, not exactly
Jul 14 15:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> It generates a username and password based on the hardware.
Jul 14 15:39:28 <rm_you> err
Jul 14 15:39:31 <rm_you> i'm not seeing that
Jul 14 15:39:40 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, did you read the source?
Jul 14 15:39:50 <GeneralAntilles> string user = string ("NOKIA-OSSO-") + string (product_hardware);
Jul 14 15:39:51 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jul 14 15:39:58 <qwerty12> Look at the product_hardware function at the top.
Jul 14 15:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> and I figured out the username and password based on the source. ;)
Jul 14 15:40:22 <rm_you> well yeah, but that doesnt really matter
Jul 14 15:40:41 <johnx> I figured they'd use it for the password not username, but I guess it's the same difference
Jul 14 15:40:48 <GeneralAntilles> For my convoluted legal justification it does. :)
Jul 14 15:40:49 <johnx> I just looked at the password section
Jul 14 15:42:35 <rm_you> YAY i got my buildbox back
Jul 14 15:47:44 <GAN800> lol . . . right, I was reproducing #3300.
Jul 14 15:51:18 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, no, can't reproduce.
Jul 14 15:51:47 <andre____> hmm. thanks anyway :)
Jul 14 15:56:17 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well lock code is fetched in a weird way in dsme.. look at powered.. maybe it fetches it from CAL?
Jul 14 15:56:59 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, CAL is the final place where the code is stored.
Jul 14 15:57:42 <qwerty12> (you can cat /dev/mtd2ro  to a file and search for lockcode to find it in cal)
Jul 14 15:58:46 <rm_you> is there a version of "strings" for maemo?
Jul 14 15:59:25 <mgedmin> there was once
Jul 14 15:59:38 <mgedmin> how I wish maemo had command-not-found
Jul 14 16:00:02 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well i note it is fetched using lock_code so i wonder if its a way to fetch from CAL in a generic way
Jul 14 16:00:08 <Stskeeps> string "lock_code"
Jul 14 16:00:28 <jott> rm_you: there is a binutils package
Jul 14 16:00:31 <jott> http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools/free
Jul 14 16:01:31 <Cptnodegard> is the chinook extras repo down or something? some newbie i have here with a diablo n810 close to returning it in lack of canola and mplayer says it wont refresh :3
Jul 14 16:01:56 <jott> rm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb
Jul 14 16:02:03 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, break into http://garage.maemo.org/svn/dsm and we'll find out :P. mce can retrieve the lock code from functions provided by cal.h afaik.
Jul 14 16:02:25 <rm_you> yeah, got it
Jul 14 16:02:27 <rm_you> thanks
Jul 14 16:03:54 <megabyte405> Cptnodegard: there is not a lot of stuff for diablo yet, and canola is not perfect on it - look at internettablettalk.com for more info
Jul 14 16:05:37 <Cptnodegard> megabyte405 i know, thats why im getting him to add the chinook repo... .but i think i found the error
Jul 14 16:06:25 <lardman> good good, sbc encoder working ok with ARM running at 400MHz
Jul 14 16:06:42 <pH5> lardman: you rock
Jul 14 16:06:54 <qwerty12> lardman, I think you are great.
Jul 14 16:07:01 <pH5> (good evening, everybody)
Jul 14 16:07:21 <qwerty12> Hi
Jul 14 16:07:43 <qwerty12> Lol I wish brontide had told me to throw in the futex patch before I started compiling >.<
Jul 14 16:08:13 <lardman> hmm, no dropouts at all, even at 133MHz (or whatever the slow DSP speed is) :)
Jul 14 16:08:21 <qwerty12> Yes, 133 :)
Jul 14 16:08:23 * lardman feels happy :)
Jul 14 16:08:29 <crashanddie> lardman, say, how big are you on bluetooth ?
Jul 14 16:08:39 <qwerty12> lardman, Just out of question, are you using that sysfs patch?
Jul 14 16:08:41 <lardman> crashanddie:  not great, but I can try
Jul 14 16:08:47 <qwerty12> Or was it an dvfs edit?
Jul 14 16:08:47 <lardman> qwerty12: yes, thanks
Jul 14 16:09:01 <lardman> dvfs patch
Jul 14 16:09:03 <qwerty12> Cool, thanks, mind telling me how it works? :P
Jul 14 16:09:10 <lardman> what, the patch?
Jul 14 16:09:11 <qwerty12> Oh :)
Jul 14 16:09:34 <qwerty12> It doesn't matter, I thought you were using that patch, I know how to edit the dvfs :)
Jul 14 16:09:50 <lardman> I am using that patch...
Jul 14 16:10:23 * qwerty12 is confused. It doesn't matter, congrats on your latest achievement
Jul 14 16:10:49 <crashanddie> lardman, apparently my SDP daemon is having problems... I have a bluetooth mouse that worked fine, had to change it, now this bluetooth mouse won't pair, name request times out, but it still pairs fine with NIT/PS3/MacBook... I've been debugging the whole damned thing for days, and am getting nowhere... Plus, the help on #bluez-users is pretty thin
Jul 14 16:10:50 <lardman> dvfs is altered through /sys/power/*
Jul 14 16:11:37 <lardman> crashanddie: no sorry, I've no idea I'm afraid :(
Jul 14 16:11:54 <crashanddie> yeah, I figured it was a long shot, still worth the try though
Jul 14 16:17:42 <Knowledge> To Wimax to not to Wimax...that is the question...anyone know how much Wimax will be in the US?
Jul 14 16:18:15 <rm_you> i hope semi-decently priced, though current wireless internet plans BLOW
Jul 14 16:18:24 <GAN800> PaYG
Jul 14 16:18:26 <rm_you> Wimax uses the same thing as clearwire, right?
Jul 14 16:18:35 <GAN800> $30-$60 per month
Jul 14 16:18:37 <Knowledge> oh no...don't tell me that...
Jul 14 16:18:48 <Knowledge> clearwire doesn't just suck...it fucking sucks
Jul 14 16:19:02 <rm_you> i believe clearwise IS wimax...
Jul 14 16:19:03 <Knowledge> pfft...non-wimax 810 it is....
Jul 14 16:19:06 <rm_you> but don't quote me
Jul 14 16:19:08 <crashanddie> Knowledge, would make a good wifey
Jul 14 16:19:11 <rm_you> *clearwire
Jul 14 16:19:19 <Knowledge> what the?
Jul 14 16:19:33 <Knowledge> I'm a dude...
Jul 14 16:19:38 <rm_you> ?
Jul 14 16:19:41 <rm_you> yeah i am confused too
Jul 14 16:19:45 <crashanddie> and you're pretty thick with that...
Jul 14 16:20:05 <crashanddie> you said "it fuck'n' sucks"... That sounds like a good wife to me :)
Jul 14 16:20:10 <rm_you> AH
Jul 14 16:20:15 <johnx> rm_you, pretty sure clearwire is still "pre/draft wimax" or somesuch
Jul 14 16:20:21 <rm_you> the command instead of colon confused me :P
Jul 14 16:20:27 <rm_you> s/command/comma/
Jul 14 16:20:27 <infobot> rm_you meant: the comma instead of colon confused me :P
Jul 14 16:20:41 <johnx> they'll swtich to "mobile wimax" to be compatible with the n810we
Jul 14 16:20:42 <Knowledge> right
Jul 14 16:20:44 <Knowledge> haha....
Jul 14 16:20:53 <crashanddie> like I said... Pretty thick :P
Jul 14 16:21:32 <rm_you> you should use colon as your nick autocomplete character :P
Jul 14 16:21:38 <rm_you> less confusion
Jul 14 16:22:26 <Knowledge> so yeah...screw wimax...because if it's anything like how clearwire is....wow.
Jul 14 16:22:45 <rm_you> eh, seems fine here
Jul 14 16:22:52 <rm_you> and better than edge/3g IMO
Jul 14 16:22:56 <johnx> it all depends on the area
Jul 14 16:23:03 <Knowledge> well yeah, that's true...
Jul 14 16:23:30 <johnx> it doesn't have the same kind of coverage as cell networks but it's potentially faster I think
Jul 14 16:23:43 <rm_you> way faster
Jul 14 16:23:57 <rm_you> pretty much DSL speed if i remember correctly from when i sold it :P
Jul 14 16:24:05 <GAN800> 3G is currently way faster than WiMAX
Jul 14 16:24:18 <rm_you> how fast is 3g?
Jul 14 16:24:19 <Knowledge> Evdo Rev 0....
Jul 14 16:24:25 <Knowledge> 2.4 mbps
Jul 14 16:24:28 <rm_you> clearwire did 3Mb down IIRC
Jul 14 16:24:32 <GAN800> 3G is 7.6Mbps and 14.4 soon
Jul 14 16:24:37 <Knowledge> good Lord!
Jul 14 16:24:38 <Knowledge> relly?
Jul 14 16:24:39 <rm_you> ah wow
Jul 14 16:24:49 <rm_you> i thought they were still stuck at < 1mb
Jul 14 16:24:50 <GAN800> WiMAX maxes at 6 atm
Jul 14 16:24:53 <Knowledge> shit, I might have to switch carriers.
Jul 14 16:24:57 <GAN800> Pfft
Jul 14 16:25:03 <rm_you> who supports 3g in the US?
Jul 14 16:25:08 <Knowledge> AT&T
Jul 14 16:25:16 <johnx> tmobile in some markets
Jul 14 16:25:23 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 14 16:25:29 <Knowledge> I didn't know 3G was that fast.
Jul 14 16:25:31 * rm_you uses T-Mobile
Jul 14 16:25:32 <johnx> rm_you, you mean any 3G or just UMTS/HSDPA?
Jul 14 16:25:48 <rm_you> I mean, whatever GAN is talking about that does 7.6Mbps
Jul 14 16:26:00 <GAN800> HSDPA
Jul 14 16:26:16 <GAN800> 3.6Mbps with the more average cellphones.
Jul 14 16:26:23 <johnx> yeah...depending on the area
Jul 14 16:26:56 <crashanddie> I want wireless FiOS speeds :P
Jul 14 16:26:59 <Knowledge> I wonder...man, I really like my carrier though.
Jul 14 16:27:03 <GAN800> Coverage isn't perfect, but at least it actually exists. ;)
Jul 14 16:28:42 <Knowledge> I pay $50 for unlimited minutes (roaming and long distance not inluded)...and an extra $10 for "easyedge"...which is to download apps to the phone, but I could tether with it...no EvDO yet
Jul 14 16:30:56 <rm_you> hrm, only in new york, for t-mobile at least
Jul 14 16:31:17 <jott> no you only have to get the 3.6-7.2Mbps to the NIT :P
Jul 14 16:31:45 <johnx> ah, well. no rush
Jul 14 16:31:51 <jott> how good is actually wifi sharing with the n95 and other wifi phones?
Jul 14 16:31:57 <johnx> I'll look at the situation again in the US next year :)
Jul 14 16:31:59 <Knowledge> Who here has a 770 with 07HE on it?
Jul 14 16:33:13 <Atarii> i have 08HE
Jul 14 16:34:14 <rm_you> johnx: yeah they say way more cities by the end of the year
Jul 14 16:34:33 <rm_you> i wonder if San Antonio or Seattle are either big enough targets
Jul 14 16:34:35 <Knowledge> See, I'm having an issue with dpad scrolling in the browser, if I hit down (for instance) it goes to the next link and scrolls down. If I stop and continue, it goes down another link and starts scrolling down from where that link is as opposed to where I was.....does that make any sense?
Jul 14 16:34:38 <rm_you> i would think Seattle would be
Jul 14 16:35:52 <GAN800> Knowledge, turn off snav.
Jul 14 16:36:32 <Knowledge> snav?
Jul 14 16:37:59 <Knowledge> hmm....
Jul 14 16:41:23 <Knowledge> GAN800: where can I find that?
Jul 14 16:41:24 <pupnik> wheee
Jul 14 16:41:29 <Knowledge> woo hoo!
Jul 14 16:41:37 * pupnik might be able to make it to Maemo Summit :)
Jul 14 16:42:38 <johnx> Stskeeps, is usb host working for you under debian?
Jul 14 16:43:25 <Knowledge> GAN800: found it.
Jul 14 16:44:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: Capn_Fish had similar issues
Jul 14 16:44:37 <Stskeeps> i don't have adaptor for usb host
Jul 14 16:44:58 <johnx> alright, I'll dig into it
Jul 14 16:45:12 <johnx> I'm assuming it's a debian/diablo interaction :/
Jul 14 16:45:22 <Stskeeps> ofcourse usbnet-emergency-telnetd loads g_ether but he claimed it wasn't loaded
Jul 14 16:45:37 <johnx> I already caught that and disabled it
Jul 14 16:45:48 <johnx> I'l see what's up...
Jul 14 16:46:23 <Stskeeps> and i don't do echo host > stuff either but he also claimed that didn't work
Jul 14 16:46:45 <johnx> yeah, I'm not getting any output in dmesg from it
Jul 14 16:50:03 <Stskeeps> modules are from your beta3 atleast
Jul 14 16:50:48 <johnx> hmm? which modules?
Jul 14 16:50:54 <johnx> just cx3110x, right?
Jul 14 16:51:10 <johnx> aaah, for capn'fish
Jul 14 16:51:10 <Stskeeps> full /lib/modules
Jul 14 16:51:26 <johnx> but the kernel is different
Jul 14 16:51:48 <Stskeeps> it's a new kernel?
Jul 14 16:51:51 <Stskeeps> in diablo?
Jul 14 16:52:01 <johnx> it's a recompile at least
Jul 14 16:52:07 <Stskeeps> okay
Jul 14 16:52:13 <Stskeeps> same uname -r?
Jul 14 16:52:19 <Stskeeps> er, -a
Jul 14 16:52:35 <johnx> -r is 2.6.21-omap1
Jul 14 16:52:47 <johnx> the compile is June 11th though
Jul 14 16:52:49 <Stskeeps> okay
Jul 14 16:53:29 <Stskeeps> another diabloism i guess
Jul 14 16:53:46 <Stskeeps> but the modules would be loadable even with a recompile i guess
Jul 14 16:54:03 <johnx> yeah, but I have a theory
Jul 14 16:54:07 <qwerty12> The kernel version is the same as chinook but I remember seeing a changelog for kernel-source-diablo, can't find it though :?
Jul 14 16:54:51 <Stskeeps> what did we end up regarding hal-addon? that because it's in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/apt/apt_0.7.6maemo2.tar.gz and we would use a similar method to create the auth, it's okay?
Jul 14 16:56:07 <johnx> Stecchino, yeah, that makes sense
Jul 14 16:56:43 <lcuk> mgedmin, ping
Jul 14 16:56:44 <johnx> in reality, even if we're passing around our own MAC addresses, that's really our prerogative
Jul 14 16:56:57 <rm_you> mmm ok headed to Samurai Noodle :P
Jul 14 16:57:03 <Stskeeps> it's not even our mac addy that's being sent is it?
Jul 14 16:57:06 <mgedmin> lcuk: icmp echo reply
Jul 14 16:57:29 <johnx> Stskeeps, nope. but even if it was, it would still be legal
Jul 14 16:57:32 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jul 14 16:58:57 <johnx> awesome
Jul 14 16:59:01 <johnx> I hate nokia sometimes
Jul 14 16:59:14 <johnx> we have to insmod g_file_storage on diablo for some reason
Jul 14 16:59:53 <Stskeeps> .. for usb host?
Jul 14 16:59:57 <johnx> yeah
Jul 14 17:00:08 <johnx> It seems to have code for the hub built in
Jul 14 17:00:09 <johnx> bleh
Jul 14 17:01:12 <Stskeeps> g_file_storage from initfs?
Jul 14 17:01:28 <johnx> yup
Jul 14 17:01:53 <johnx> your installer dutifully copies it to /lib/modules though :)
Jul 14 17:01:59 <Stskeeps> ah
Jul 14 17:02:38 <Stskeeps> .. we do?
Jul 14 17:02:56 <Stskeeps> my installer only gets the 2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz module pack, nothing from initfs
Jul 14 17:03:33 <johnx> well, I ended up with g_file_storage.ko under /lib/modules
Jul 14 17:03:41 <Stskeeps> k
Jul 14 17:03:51 <Knowledge> Flash (youtube, etc.) possible on a 700 07HE?
Jul 14 17:03:54 <Knowledge> 770*
Jul 14 17:05:55 <m-c> I have one N800 that needs to be recharged every day, and I have another, older N800 that can last for almost a week.
Jul 14 17:06:18 <qwerty12> Anyone quickly help me with this: http://pastebin.com/m291d1414 ?
Jul 14 17:06:33 <m-c> I tried to reflash the power hungry one, but it seems like a hardware problem.  Do you think getting a new battery would help?
Jul 14 17:07:18 <Stskeeps> johnx: that you installed yourself? what does dpkg -S g_file_storage.ko say?
Jul 14 17:07:19 <wnd> qwerty12, the first "for" is missing "done"
Jul 14 17:07:30 <qwerty12> wnd, Ah, thank you.
Jul 14 17:07:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, module-pack
Jul 14 17:08:13 <wnd> and it's not whitespace-safe :-)
Jul 14 17:09:55 <Maximande1> g'morning
Jul 14 17:10:08 <qwerty12> g'evening
Jul 14 17:10:09 <Stskeeps> johnx: okay, so that comes from the beta3 /lib/modules :)
Jul 14 17:10:16 <johnx> O_o
Jul 14 17:11:33 <Stskeeps> kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_file_storage.ko
Jul 14 17:11:40 <Stskeeps> is in my tar.gz
Jul 14 17:11:41 <jott> m-c: hwow about swapping the batteries and see if this helps?
Jul 14 17:11:56 <m-c> jott: that's a good idea thanks
Jul 14 17:12:19 <TPC> hello
Jul 14 17:12:26 <Maximande1> any idea why my GTK app, which looks fine on my computer, when run on maemo, doesn't have column headings on TreeViews?
Jul 14 17:12:45 <TPC> my N800 with diablo goes into a reboot loop when I start it
Jul 14 17:12:58 <TPC> is there some way I can salvage it, or is reflasing the only option?
Jul 14 17:13:39 <qwerty12> If you have an initfs image with fanoush's bootmenu nearby, flash it using macosx/linux and ssh into it using usbnet.
Jul 14 17:14:45 <TPC> hmm
Jul 14 17:16:00 <qwerty12> If you *really* have time, find the initfs image on the passworded tableteer repo, mount it up on the computer and add the bootmenu manually (I did this when it wasn't for diablo, comparing took me a while :P)
Jul 14 17:16:08 <johnx> Stskeeps, maybe it's just something in that module that causes the host part to wake up? *guesses*
Jul 14 17:16:33 <Stskeeps> dependancy?
Jul 14 17:18:00 <johnx> i mean, maybe there's another way to wake it up too
Jul 14 17:18:03 <yerga> Maximande1, it's default in maemo gtk
Jul 14 17:18:22 <yerga> Maximande1, you need set show the headers in code
Jul 14 17:18:36 <Stskeeps> johnx: g_file_storage is contradictive to having usb host though
Jul 14 17:19:18 <johnx> it's loaded by diablo at boot
Jul 14 17:19:29 <johnx> and it works for me now with it loaded...
Jul 14 17:19:50 <johnx> I'll try and rmmod it and see if things go wonk
Jul 14 17:19:52 <johnx> y
Jul 14 17:20:21 <johnx> yup, usb host dies if I rmmod it
Jul 14 17:21:10 <Stskeeps> well, that's just plain odd behaviour :)
Jul 14 17:21:36 <johnx> I'd have to agree :)
Jul 14 17:22:01 <johnx> BTW, you might want to switch to fb_update manual as X11 is started
Jul 14 17:22:11 <Stskeeps> k
Jul 14 17:22:15 <johnx> it makes a huge difference
Jul 14 17:22:21 <Stskeeps> just patch start-x-session's script
Jul 14 17:24:10 <Stskeeps> might as well make it standard :P
Jul 14 17:24:36 <johnx> that's what I meant :)
Jul 14 17:36:12 <Maximande1> yerga: i call label->show() on the labels set as widgets for each column. is that what you mean?
Jul 14 17:36:57 <yerga> Maximande1, no
Jul 14 17:37:12 <yerga> you should pass the set_headers_visible to the treeview
Jul 14 17:37:30 <yerga> in python is treeview.set_headers_visible(True)
Jul 14 17:37:32 <Maximande1> oh,set_headers_visible(true)
Jul 14 17:37:40 <yerga> in C i don't know ;)
Jul 14 17:37:40 <Maximande1> gotcha
Jul 14 17:37:51 <Maximande1> thanks, I'll recompile and try that
Jul 14 17:38:54 <boolean> ws 1
Jul 14 17:44:10 <Maximande1> yerga: how do I add things to the existing menu, rather than creating my own menu?
Jul 14 17:46:05 <yerga> Maximande1, how have you created the menu?
Jul 14 17:47:45 <Maximande1> well, i'm coming from a desktop app model, so I use GtkMenu, with GtkMenuItem's for "File", "Edit", etc.
Jul 14 17:47:54 <aquatix> where are the maemo menu files located?
Jul 14 17:48:10 <Maximande1> and ten GtkMenuItems off those for things like "save", "load", etc
Jul 14 17:48:28 <Maximande1> but then I have a menu bar across top, just like a normal desktop app
Jul 14 17:48:29 <qwerty12_N800> aquatix, /usr/share/applications/hildon
Jul 14 17:49:08 <Maximande1> but i'd rather put things into the little drop down from the app title bar like all the usual maemo apps
Jul 14 17:49:22 <V13> hi!
Jul 14 17:49:44 <aquatix> qwerty12_N800: ah, thanks
Jul 14 17:50:12 <V13> Is there a way to (a) connect to itnernet with gprs from command line and (b) send a file via bluetooth from command line ?
Jul 14 17:50:23 <V13> (for OS2008/Diablo)
Jul 14 17:52:34 <V13> none...
Jul 14 17:52:46 <yerga> Maximande1, I generally create a gtk.menu and reparent each child from the menubar to the menu
Jul 14 17:53:03 <yerga> set the gtk.menu to the hildon window
Jul 14 17:53:12 <yerga> and delete the menubar
Jul 14 17:54:06 * Jaffa documented his approach somewhere; I think it was similar
Jul 14 17:54:26 <V13> (any hints ?)
Jul 14 17:55:40 <lcuk> crap crap crap crap crap
Jul 14 17:55:44 <lcuk> and more crap crap crap
Jul 14 17:55:53 <Stskeeps> rm -rf? :P
Jul 14 17:56:02 <Jaffa> V1e: maybe some DBUS doohicky?
Jul 14 17:56:09 <Jaffa> lcuk: problems?
Jul 14 17:56:16 <lcuk> aint there always :)
Jul 14 17:56:20 <Jaffa> V13: maybe some DBUS doohicky?
Jul 14 17:56:25 <Jaffa> lcuk: true
Jul 14 17:58:08 <Jaffa> Maximande1:http://badger.bleb.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/bleb/sylpheed/trunk/src/menu.c?r1=45&r2=52 for example
Jul 14 18:00:22 <Maximande1> Jaffa: thanks
Jul 14 18:00:39 <RST38bis> jaffa: here?
Jul 14 18:04:25 <Jaffa> RST38bis: aye, but on phone connection so about to lose it
Jul 14 18:05:06 <RST38bis> i'm also using the phone
Jul 14 18:05:30 <RST38bis> wanted to send you that mockup we talked about
Jul 14 18:05:49 <V13> jaffa: I'm trying something similar :)
Jul 14 18:05:57 <V13> jaffa: to emullate the gui
Jul 14 18:06:16 <V13> btw, what is doohicky ?
Jul 14 18:06:31 <Jaffa> nearly home tho
Jul 14 18:06:32 <Jaffa> RST38h: nearly home
Jul 14 18:06:42 <RST38bis> but anyway, if you have a few minutes i can describe it in words
Jul 14 18:08:26 <mgedmin> hey, can we get https://wiki.maemo.org/Help:Editing fixed please?
Jul 14 18:08:32 <mgedmin> I don't know mediawiki markup by heart
Jul 14 18:11:04 <mgedmin> where are people staying for the maemo summit?
Jul 14 18:11:15 <mgedmin> could you update https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008/Accommodation#Ending_up_in_the_same_hotel with links to hotels?
Jul 14 18:12:08 <RST38bis> mgedmin: where in .lt are you btw?
Jul 14 18:12:31 <lcuk> hes in mg.pov.lt
Jul 14 18:13:33 <mgedmin> geographically, Vilnius
Jul 14 18:13:50 <RST38bis> ah, that's far
Jul 14 18:14:01 <mgedmin> would other places in .lt be closer? ;-)
Jul 14 18:14:21 * RST38bis is in Palanga although you wouldn't tell it from whois
Jul 14 18:14:38 <RST38bis> tele2 is weird
Jul 14 18:14:44 <mgedmin> heh
Jul 14 18:14:57 <lcuk> back later
Jul 14 18:18:26 <Knowledge> So...about flash on the 770....is it possible?
Jul 14 18:18:32 <Knowledge> or is slower than shit?
Jul 14 18:19:01 <mgedmin> it's barely fast enough to almost play the soundtrack of a youtube video without skipping, accompanied by a slide show
Jul 14 18:19:06 <mgedmin> iirc
Jul 14 18:19:18 <mgedmin> oops, no youtube on a 770
Jul 14 18:19:25 <mgedmin> forgot it had an older flash player
Jul 14 18:19:43 <mgedmin> what I described was flash on the first os version on a n800
Jul 14 18:19:58 <mgedmin> later OSes upgraded the CPU speed somewhat and deployed a more-optimized flash player
Jul 14 18:20:40 <lcuk> updated cpu speed doesnt always work
Jul 14 18:20:53 <mgedmin> oh, right, the dsp frequency fix
Jul 14 18:21:45 <Knowledge> I see
Jul 14 18:22:12 <summatusmentis> I hate being an adult... it means I have to pay bills :-/
Jul 14 18:23:31 <lcuk> summatusmentis, since you are an adult will you pay my bills as well?
Jul 14 18:23:55 <RST38bis> kill someone to get incarcerated
Jul 14 18:24:15 <lcuk> they charge you for that nowadays
Jul 14 18:25:13 <summatusmentis> lcuk: no, I barely have enough money to pay for my bills :)
Jul 14 18:25:36 <summatusmentis> where is this Maemo Summit at?
Jul 14 18:25:45 <lcuk> berlin
Jul 14 18:26:16 <summatusmentis> and will I be able to get someone to pay my way there?
Jul 14 18:26:24 <RST38bis> lcuk: only in uk
Jul 14 18:26:50 <mgedmin> summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship
Jul 14 18:26:53 <RST38bis> Priceless: A gaggle of Russian ravers at the July 5 Aquamarine Open Air Festival discovered this after tents erected to deflect heavy rains partially refracted lasers intended for skyward illumination into their eyes, resulting in nastiness: "Retinal burns, scarring is visible on them. Loss of vision in individual cases is as high as 80 percent, and regaining it is already impossible."
Jul 14 18:27:08 <mgedmin> otoh it might be already too late
Jul 14 18:27:12 <lcuk> RST38bis, horrible mismanagement
Jul 14 18:27:22 <lcuk> no, i think its possible possibly
Jul 14 18:27:39 <lcuk> anyway, everyone stop posting, i wanna go downstairs
Jul 14 18:27:47 <mgedmin> heh
Jul 14 18:28:03 <mgedmin> payback for you keeping me at work for an extra 1:30 hours
Jul 14 18:28:19 <mgedmin> not really, I usually find something I need to finish before going home
Jul 14 18:28:26 <mgedmin> and leave work at 10 pm instead of 8 pm
Jul 14 18:28:45 <lcuk> :) but it was important enough
Jul 14 18:29:28 <summatusmentis> I'm not a Very Intersting Person
Jul 14 18:29:39 <RST38bis> lcuk: No. Priceless experiment.
Jul 14 18:30:19 <summatusmentis> hmm
Jul 14 18:30:34 <RST38bis> lcuk: lasers. ravers. concave deflecting surfaces.
Jul 14 18:31:26 <RST38bis> now we know what happens if you mix those.
Jul 14 18:31:39 <mgedmin> a bit harsh on the raves
Jul 14 18:31:46 <mgedmin> s/raves/ravers/
Jul 14 18:31:46 <infobot> mgedmin meant: a bit harsh on the ravers
Jul 14 18:32:48 <RST38bis> ravers are pretty useless lot, so I wouldnt be too sad
Jul 14 18:33:13 * mgedmin is suddenly happy RST38bis is far from him
Jul 14 18:33:23 <mgedmin> I'm not a raver myself, I hasten to add
Jul 14 18:34:44 <RST38bis> i have no laser, dont be afraid
Jul 14 18:34:47 <Jaffa> RST38bis: back, but about to eat dinner
Jul 14 18:40:31 <corq-ubu> on my n810, after flashing up to diablo - I note my hardware home and "switcher" keys do not seem to do anything, is there a fix or is there something I can control in contro panel?
Jul 14 18:50:40 * johnx still needs more SD cards
Jul 14 18:51:13 <johnx> hi qgil :)
Jul 14 18:51:18 <qgil> hi there
Jul 14 18:51:58 <qgil> who wants to take part in the Maemo Summit with travel and accommodation covered, also very probably registration to http://www.osimworld.com ?
Jul 14 18:52:03 <qgil> you guys are lazy
Jul 14 18:52:06 <qgil> :)
Jul 14 18:53:00 <khertan> Hi !
Jul 14 18:53:04 <lcuk> some of us aren't
Jul 14 18:53:16 <lcuk> khertan, blow all your other stuff and get to the summit :P:
Jul 14 18:53:43 <qgil> to give you an idea
Jul 14 18:53:44 <khertan> lol
Jul 14 18:53:50 <qgil> an d please spread the message
Jul 14 18:54:11 <qgil> if you are here http://maemo.org/profile/list/
Jul 14 18:54:20 <qgil> or in a similar level of contribution (you judge)
Jul 14 18:54:20 <khertan> someone can help me with perl ? i m trying to build libmodule-build-perl
Jul 14 18:54:29 <RST38x> qgil: we guys have jobs
Jul 14 18:54:45 <khertan> and i get error : dXSARG 'undeclared'
Jul 14 18:54:54 <qgil> or here https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Candidates
Jul 14 18:54:58 <lcuk> quim, shush everyone up then lets all stay in the ritz :D
Jul 14 18:55:59 <khertan> lol none of my project in the wiki
Jul 14 18:56:01 <qgil> RST38x: sure, if you can't skip a friday then it is a problem (probably having to leave on Thursday earlier too)
Jul 14 18:56:20 <qgil> khertan what is your project?
Jul 14 18:56:25 <khertan> :)
Jul 14 18:56:40 <khertan> PyGTKEditor, PyPackager
Jul 14 18:57:05 <khertan> Pyne4Maemo
Jul 14 18:57:06 <qgil> khertan well, you said is a wiki, with an EDIT tab
Jul 14 18:57:11 <lcuk> khertan is very highly recommended :)  he lets me code on the go with his pygtkeditor.  an inspiration
Jul 14 18:57:35 <khertan> there is also mCalendar
Jul 14 18:57:40 <khertan> and mContact planned :)
Jul 14 18:57:41 <lardman> hey lcuk, how's packaging hell today?
Jul 14 18:57:53 <lcuk> i dunno, ive been hotel hunting
Jul 14 18:58:00 <qgil> or here http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/maemo-summit-registration-open-free/
Jul 14 18:58:08 <lardman> hi Quim
Jul 14 18:58:19 <lcuk> khertan - if for nothing else i would like to meet you to get you a beer
Jul 14 18:58:21 <khertan> lardman: hell enought to push developper to create their own repository ;)
Jul 14 18:58:43 <khertan> s/enought/enougth
Jul 14 18:58:46 <lardman> khertan: not too loud, the General will bring his wrath to bear!
Jul 14 18:58:55 <RST38x> pyne = python pine?=)
Jul 14 18:59:14 <khertan> pyne = a python email gui client
Jul 14 18:59:21 <khertan> not pine
Jul 14 18:59:29 <lcuk> lardman, should be sorted with the package once i sort out the make install section.
Jul 14 18:59:39 <Talus46_n810> hello
Jul 14 18:59:46 <RST38x> creating own repos is whar is going to happen now
Jul 14 18:59:50 <qgil> or here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199206&postcount=4
Jul 14 19:00:25 <khertan> RST38x: yes but i ve passed enought time to get dpkg-buildpackage on it
Jul 14 19:00:37 <khertan> s/it/internet tablet
Jul 14 19:00:38 <lcuk> ive got that on mine
Jul 14 19:00:44 <khertan> ?
Jul 14 19:00:48 <lcuk> but i cant get the initial one which creates the /debian folder
Jul 14 19:00:57 <khertan> dh_make ?
Jul 14 19:00:57 <lcuk> dpkg-buildpackage <<
Jul 14 19:01:00 <lcuk> yer
Jul 14 19:01:03 <lcuk> too many deps
Jul 14 19:01:05 <qgil> or https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_contributions / https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Upstream_projects
Jul 14 19:01:09 <khertan> how do u build dep ?
Jul 14 19:01:09 <lcuk> or not available
Jul 14 19:01:19 <lcuk> it wasnt available sorry
Jul 14 19:01:24 <khertan> in particular libmodule-build-perl ?
Jul 14 19:01:25 <RST38x> khertan: well, not everyone is willing to screw with this stuff for so long
Jul 14 19:01:25 <lcuk> it was in default debian listing
Jul 14 19:01:34 <Talus46_n810> anyone can tell me where can i find the gcc package for n810?
Jul 14 19:01:44 <lcuk> khertan, i cleared out everything from my machine and its on
Jul 14 19:01:48 <rm_you> johnx: best ramen i've had in my life
Jul 14 19:01:58 <lcuk> Talus46_n810, for a hint look at the repositories scratchbox uses
Jul 14 19:01:59 <johnx> rm_you, O_o
Jul 14 19:02:10 <johnx> rm_you, awesome, but kinda hard to believe
Jul 14 19:02:12 <lcuk> set the same repositories on your 810 and apt-get install gcc
Jul 14 19:02:18 <khertan> lcuk: you are talking that you get it on your n800 or your pc ?
Jul 14 19:02:22 <qgil> alright, I just wanted to make sure that it's not because you are shy
Jul 14 19:02:23 <lcuk> 810
Jul 14 19:02:38 <qgil> and I just want to avoid people waking up in the last weeks, when it's too late
Jul 14 19:02:42 <Talus46_n810> nice but i'm not near my laptop doesn't anyone know?
Jul 14 19:03:02 <lcuk> talus, im not sure which specific repo its in
Jul 14 19:03:09 <lcuk> i can give you the list of the ones ive got
Jul 14 19:03:14 <lcuk> and i use gcc everyday
Jul 14 19:03:38 <Talus46_n810> a page where i can search for those repos?
Jul 14 19:03:38 <RST38x> talus: a moment
Jul 14 19:03:50 <RST38x> try packrat
Jul 14 19:03:53 <Talus46_n810> thank you :)
Jul 14 19:04:39 <lcuk> qgil, are all the nokia guys lined up, or are you chasing them as hard?
Jul 14 19:05:03 <qgil> I had reasons to chase the Nemein guys having the registration ready before July...
Jul 14 19:05:14 <Talus46_n810> hehe
Jul 14 19:05:25 <RST38x> System=OS2008&Arg=gcc&Section=&Repo=0
Jul 14 19:05:32 <RST38x> shit
Jul 14 19:05:47 * lardman forgot to free()
Jul 14 19:05:49 <qgil> these days the offices are at 50%, considering that to get one Nokia guy registred you need also the approval of his manager
Jul 14 19:06:05 <qgil> in other words, they will come even if you don't see them at
Jul 14 19:06:22 <qgil> http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/
Jul 14 19:06:32 <RST38x> talus: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=gcc&Section=&Repo=0
Jul 14 19:06:38 <lcuk> cool
Jul 14 19:07:18 <qgil> I don't bother as much about the Nokians since their teams pay for their expenses
Jul 14 19:07:32 <qgil> as I'm not worried about getting 150 participants in the summit, as planned
Jul 14 19:07:45 <RST38x> qgil: get ga to come
Jul 14 19:07:46 <qgil> the potentially sponsored guys are the only ones I worry about these days
Jul 14 19:07:51 <RST38x> ;)
Jul 14 19:08:07 <qgil> RST38x ga was invited long ago
Jul 14 19:08:08 <khertan> :)
Jul 14 19:08:32 <lcuk> qgil, does what i said in mail earlier matter, ie can we could all end up in the same place?
Jul 14 19:08:44 <khertan> i don't know yet if i ll be free at this time
Jul 14 19:08:46 <lcuk> ga has done loads of stuff with the documentation
Jul 14 19:08:48 <RST38x> i know. also know he declined
Jul 14 19:08:55 <qgil> lcuk: why do you need me to get that sorted out?
Jul 14 19:09:26 <lcuk> i dont particularly im just worried about booking somewhere and finding out ive booked too expensive
Jul 14 19:09:42 <lcuk> and my shoestring is even more stretched at present
Jul 14 19:09:49 <qgil> lcuk: imagine me being CCed for every case like yours  :)
Jul 14 19:10:09 <ion_cu_vaca> hi
Jul 14 19:10:32 <ion_cu_vaca> I can ssh in my n800 as root, what is the password to ssh as user?
Jul 14 19:10:33 * lardman hasn't done any booking, should he?
Jul 14 19:10:35 <qgil> and then you want me to find out about the 3D acceleration stuff ;) and the rest of things I'm supposed to do
Jul 14 19:10:37 <lcuk> i know, and i didnt mean to burdon you.
Jul 14 19:10:44 <lcuk> :D heh
Jul 14 19:11:06 * lcuk wont send any more mails about current trip ;) ill just wait for tomorrow, then book around it all
Jul 14 19:11:13 <qgil> https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Accommodation
Jul 14 19:11:26 <lcuk> everyone else stop sending quim mails.  hes sorting out pvr ;)
Jul 14 19:11:54 <rm_you> qgil: heh, I would love to come, but I am in US and definitely don't qualify as a "rockstar" :P
Jul 14 19:11:59 <lardman> ah, I see
Jul 14 19:12:27 <RST38x> qgil: forget about lcuk travel accomodations, find out about 3d accel stuff =)
Jul 14 19:12:30 <johnx> rm_you, you have a popular app in extras :P
Jul 14 19:12:58 <khertan> rm_you: what app is it ?
Jul 14 19:13:04 <rm_you> advanced-backlight :)
Jul 14 19:13:04 <qgil> another advice for those willing to come but unsure about sponsorship:
Jul 14 19:13:13 <lcuk> rm_you, lets see:   open source project with involvement of others.  active participation.   lively character.   strange sleeping patterns.  you will fit right in.  APPLY.
Jul 14 19:13:13 <qgil> fill your maemo profile with the relevant information
Jul 14 19:13:17 <khertan> there is also a popular command line available in the device !
Jul 14 19:13:27 <rm_you> lcuk: lol
Jul 14 19:13:29 <qgil> explain why would you like to be spnsored in your registration
Jul 14 19:13:37 <qgil> and press enter
Jul 14 19:13:38 <khertan> since the first day of the 770 :)=
Jul 14 19:13:40 <lcuk> seriously rm_you, if you have time see if you can come
Jul 14 19:13:50 <rm_you> I would love to come, and I would make time :P we'll see
Jul 14 19:13:54 <lcuk> what do you gain by not trying?
Jul 14 19:14:01 <khertan> hum ... i must go on ... my wife is calling me :)
Jul 14 19:14:03 <khertan> bye
Jul 14 19:14:06 <lcuk> cya khertan
Jul 14 19:14:09 <jott> rm_you: and for future development of advanced-backlight we should meet in person :)
Jul 14 19:14:27 <qgil> I'm not going to be after every hesitating guy like qole in ITt spending his time wondering in the forums instead of just registering and requesting sponsorship
Jul 14 19:14:41 <qgil> you're grown ups! (well, some of you still really tender)  :P
Jul 14 19:14:45 <khertan> !=
Jul 14 19:14:46 <rm_you> has the ITT thanks karma been added to maemo yet? :P
Jul 14 19:14:48 <khertan> :)
Jul 14 19:15:44 <qgil> rm_you: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days#Internet_Tablet_Talk_Collaboration - chase bergie for that
Jul 14 19:15:57 <rm_you> heh, should get that done before I apply :P
Jul 14 19:16:07 <lcuk> rm_you, i have a karma of 7.  i also have a dugg down on my own account (by me).  karma isnt everything, just fluffin fill it in
Jul 14 19:16:11 <rm_you> I think I have zero karma on maemo and like 120 thanks on ITT :P
Jul 14 19:16:17 <johnx> is there a set number of sponsored slots? I don't care about spending Nokia's money but I don't want to take someone else's slot who's done more maemo-related work
Jul 14 19:16:29 <rm_you> johnx: yeah, that is how I feel
Jul 14 19:16:33 <rm_you> especially being in the US
Jul 14 19:16:40 <qgil> rm_you: you can keep wondering about the sex of angels or you can go ahead and try
Jul 14 19:16:43 <rm_you> it is a lot of slots i would take
Jul 14 19:17:01 <rm_you> qgil: yeah, I will just sign up and let you guys decide if i'm worth it :)
Jul 14 19:17:22 <qgil> johnx: the thing is that everybody seems to not "want to take someone else's slot who's done more maemo-related work"
Jul 14 19:17:26 <liri> I wish someone could check the roadmap application on an n810 to see if it's compatible with my maps
Jul 14 19:17:40 <qgil> it's not about slots - I have a limited budget
Jul 14 19:17:43 <rm_you> qgil: we're all too nice for our own good :P
Jul 14 19:17:50 * RST38x does not do any community projects other than packrat anyway
Jul 14 19:18:09 <johnx> qgil, in that case I'm definitely not the right person to sign up then :)
Jul 14 19:18:29 <RST38x> and in that case the community really consists of himself an rm-you
Jul 14 19:18:31 <qgil> well, to tell you the truth I don't even know you here
Jul 14 19:18:45 <qgil> I can't retain all nicknames or email addresses in a list or...
Jul 14 19:19:04 <qgil> this is why full maemo profile + well based registration is what is useful
Jul 14 19:19:07 <lcuk> hey quim, you need to get yourself a PIM on your nokia ;)
Jul 14 19:19:09 <rm_you> yeah, we understand :P you have a lot to deal with
Jul 14 19:19:11 <qgil> the karma thing is just a detail
Jul 14 19:19:40 <qgil> lcuk: I like to remember only what impacts my brain - but this is just me
Jul 14 19:19:51 <RST38x> rm-you: btw, shouldn't we try faking an iphone app store ui?
Jul 14 19:20:02 <lcuk> no quim, its everyone
Jul 14 19:20:06 <rm_you> oh hey I do have a profile and kharma... how the @*#* did that happen... I certainly didn't do it :P
Jul 14 19:20:18 <lcuk> you just have a lot more happening
Jul 14 19:20:19 <johnx> rm_you, it's your bugzilla account too :P
Jul 14 19:20:21 <qgil> for instance, i do remember the brilliant answer of johnx on the Ubuntu Mobile stuff
Jul 14 19:20:23 <lcuk> hey JamieBennett \o
Jul 14 19:20:30 <RST38x> rm-you: would be cool even as a practical joke
Jul 14 19:20:32 <JamieBennett> hey lcuk :D
Jul 14 19:20:35 <rm_you> johnx: ah i think it is coming from downloads on my product :P
Jul 14 19:20:52 <johnx> qgil, right, but getting me there would cost a small fortune :/
Jul 14 19:20:55 <rm_you> yay johnx! :P
Jul 14 19:21:50 <qgil> johnx: the Maemo Summit happens only once a year and we are trying to do our best to get the brilliant people there
Jul 14 19:21:57 <qgil> if you belong to that group or not, I don't know
Jul 14 19:21:58 <JamieBennett> lcuk: Sat in a really depressing bar in Eindhoven at the moment, at least the beers are on expenses ;)
Jul 14 19:22:15 <qgil> note that part of "brilliant" means applying soon
Jul 14 19:22:24 <johnx> heh
Jul 14 19:22:29 <Jaffa> johnx: if you don't apply you won't get; and we'll all potentially suffer
Jul 14 19:22:30 <qgil> we can't just wait till the week before to see what is the remaining budget
Jul 14 19:22:31 <johnx> fine, fine, I'll apply :P
Jul 14 19:23:00 <Jaffa> With only 30-odd registrations and the majority being without sponsorship, I can imagine qgil's budget going unspent!
Jul 14 19:23:06 <rm_you> yeah, I have an appointment in a little bit so i have to go, but I will definitely sign up today and see what happens :)
Jul 14 19:23:18 <JamieBennett> qgil: did you get my email about osim?
Jul 14 19:23:27 <lcuk> jaffa, no way - they are expensive beers in the ritz
Jul 14 19:23:33 <rm_you> though I still can't seem to log in to my wiki account
Jul 14 19:23:44 <qgil> JamieBennett: sure, in my long mail queue nurtured during the GUADEC days
Jul 14 19:23:48 <lcuk> JamieBennett, im sat here with vimto and toothache
Jul 14 19:23:54 <qgil> JamieBennett: forget email, wiki is the thing
Jul 14 19:24:10 <qgil> JamieBennett: in  fact, forget me and find your mates there  :)
Jul 14 19:24:36 <rm_you> lcuk: you are going right? :P I would love to badger you in person about OSS :P or rather congratulate you for embracing it, at this point :)
Jul 14 19:24:52 <lcuk> :) yes im going
Jul 14 19:25:01 <lcuk> and i am glad ive opened the source to liqbase
Jul 14 19:25:02 <rm_you> sweet, I will try my hardest
Jul 14 19:25:11 <lcuk> it hurt, but not much
Jul 14 19:25:28 * lcuk has had a great year so far
Jul 14 19:25:31 <rm_you> heh
Jul 14 19:26:15 <JamieBennett> qgil: not sure I got your comment?
Jul 14 19:26:30 <penguinbait> what is the sponsership for?
Jul 14 19:26:45 <lcuk> maemo summit participation
Jul 14 19:26:55 <Jaffa> penguinbait: paid travel
Jul 14 19:26:59 <penguinbait> ah
Jul 14 19:27:04 <qgil> penguinbait: if you still don't know means that perhaps many of the guys I have in mind still don't either
Jul 14 19:27:24 <penguinbait> probably, I had not heard about it
Jul 14 19:27:38 <qgil> perhaps I need to start a "Nokia sucks" thread in ITt to get everybody there  ;)
Jul 14 19:27:44 <penguinbait> you know we are all off in our own little worlds :)
Jul 14 19:27:59 <RST38x> jaffa: sorry, connection broke last time
Jul 14 19:28:01 <lcuk> qgil, if you have particular names, send a few of us a clased mail and we will see if we can find them for you
Jul 14 19:28:06 <lcuk> closed^
Jul 14 19:28:06 <Jaffa> penguinbait: odd, what'd've reached you other than p.m.o, maemo-* and ITT?
Jul 14 19:28:15 <RST38x> jaffa: where were we?
Jul 14 19:28:17 <Jaffa> RST38x: ditto :-)
Jul 14 19:28:25 <qgil> lcuk: see my URLs above, there are plenty of names there either listed or implicit
Jul 14 19:28:29 <rm_you> johnx: yeah, so what i meant was, best ramen i've had *IMO*, dunno if it is because it is different from japanese ramen and I like the style more or what.... also, we didn't exactly go to the most expensive fancy ramen places when i was there :P
Jul 14 19:28:31 * Jaffa is about to throw this broken fscking keyboard controller out of the window
Jul 14 19:28:49 <lcuk> ok :)
Jul 14 19:29:02 <lardman> new version of dsp-sbc, come and get it!: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934
Jul 14 19:29:13 <qgil> for instance, penguinbait is mentioned at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21569
Jul 14 19:29:20 * lcuk has no wireless headphones
Jul 14 19:29:21 <RST38x> jaffa: i can't dcc you the mockup, so can only describe it in words (it is not complicated)
Jul 14 19:29:47 <qgil> penguinbait: look your calendar and if you can do it please register at https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 - you are definitely covered
Jul 14 19:30:16 <RST38x> lardman: any chance of all in one deb that will work with builtin player, canola, etc?
Jul 14 19:30:22 <qgil> gnuite aka John Kostigan would be cool as well
Jul 14 19:30:30 <penguinbait> I am looking
Jul 14 19:30:42 <lardman> RST38x: I'm happy to do one if someone wants to work out how & test it
Jul 14 19:30:56 <johnx> canola is easy
Jul 14 19:31:01 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, w00t, you've given me an excuse to dig out the bt headset again :) (gonna need it for ~4 hr journey to london > manchester :)). thanks.
Jul 14 19:31:11 <RST38x> lardman: i can test starting next month
Jul 14 19:31:16 <johnx> just vi .atabake/config and change the fallback for audio to be mplayer
Jul 14 19:31:17 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: tell me if it goes flat in 10min ;)
Jul 14 19:31:19 <lcuk> oh crap, qwerty12 no
Jul 14 19:31:29 <lcuk> :P
Jul 14 19:31:42 <lcuk> dont come to manchester, it will change you
Jul 14 19:31:42 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, :p, lol
Jul 14 19:32:07 <lardman> RST38x:  the real issue is that I replace bluez-utils with one with the same name, as I think the OS depends on that version exactly
Jul 14 19:32:22 <lardman> not sure how to handle the deps cleanly really
Jul 14 19:32:28 <lcuk> it was so depressing coming back from linuxtag.  lovely sunshine all the way, then descent into dreary greyness
Jul 14 19:32:30 <lardman> but open to people's thoughts, etc.
Jul 14 19:32:56 * lcuk has his own packaging problems
Jul 14 19:32:56 <Stskeeps> hm, my gf is moving to berlin in september.. wonder if i would pop by maemo summit for that sake
Jul 14 19:33:02 <GeneralAntilles> osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked
Jul 14 19:33:04 * qwerty12_N800 just jooks the control file from tabletteer for dep problems
Jul 14 19:33:08 <jott> qgil: would it be possible to apply for a sponsorship of the osim event only?
Jul 14 19:33:16 <RST38x> lardman: original bluez does not work?
Jul 14 19:33:30 <lardman> RST38x: it needs changes to use the DSP as the backend
Jul 14 19:33:39 <RST38x> oh
Jul 14 19:33:39 <qgil> jott: nope, that's beyond the point
Jul 14 19:33:47 <jott> ok, no problem.
Jul 14 19:34:06 <lcuk> jott, apply for sponsorship for the whole thing:  you get to stay in a hotel overlooking your house
Jul 14 19:34:13 <jott> hah :)
Jul 14 19:34:15 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: what should I put in my profile intro? :P
Jul 14 19:34:28 <qgil> btw lardman & co - about that ITt thread on ·D acceleration
Jul 14 19:34:35 <qgil> 3D I mean
Jul 14 19:34:37 <lardman> qgil: yes :)
Jul 14 19:34:38 <RST38x> lardman: any hope to push these changes to nokia?
Jul 14 19:34:43 <lcuk> "rm_you helping to brighten maemo users lives"
Jul 14 19:34:43 <saaib> I have a n770 which I loaded with 2007 HE (ver 4.2008.7-1). Which Maemo version is this? 3.1, 3.2?
Jul 14 19:34:51 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 19:34:53 <lcuk> yes
Jul 14 19:34:55 <megabyte405> anybody want to help me fix abiword on maemo bugs?
Jul 14 19:35:01 <lardman> RST38x: I'll talk to the Bluez guys and see if they'll accept some sort of patch, yes
Jul 14 19:35:10 <megabyte405> :D  I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package
Jul 14 19:35:10 <qgil> have you ever thought of investing your time (or somebody else's time) contacting owners of drivers
Jul 14 19:35:21 <qgil> explaining to them how they business would improve with better linux support
Jul 14 19:35:23 <lardman> qgil: I've already done this and been turned away
Jul 14 19:35:31 <qgil> the many things you could do with that
Jul 14 19:35:39 <qgil> and, well, trying to get any answer from them?
Jul 14 19:35:41 <RST38x> lardman: ideally they should also take your encoder
Jul 14 19:35:54 <lardman> RST38x: yes, they would have to
Jul 14 19:36:01 <qgil> lardman, I'm curious: what happened?
Jul 14 19:36:03 <lardman> RST38x: otherwise the changes would do nothing
Jul 14 19:36:19 <jott> atleast it is out of the hands of imagination technologies. they point to the system integrators..
Jul 14 19:36:20 <lardman> qgil: I got a pretty standard no, we don't deal with non-OEM customers, good bye
Jul 14 19:36:24 <RST38x> qgil: driver owner is a corporation
Jul 14 19:36:25 <lcuk> qgil, if we put something specific together explaining our case could you help with some contacts from your end?
Jul 14 19:36:54 <lardman> qgil: I'm happy to try again, perhaps we should discuss (community effort) at the conf in Berlin
Jul 14 19:37:01 <qgil> if instead of an individual is a community of open source developers the things is not exactly the same
Jul 14 19:37:02 * lcuk agrees
Jul 14 19:37:02 <lardman> hey ssvb
Jul 14 19:37:13 <RST38x> qgil: mere mortals do not talk to corporations, alas
Jul 14 19:37:13 <lardman> qgil: yes, agreed
Jul 14 19:37:16 <ssvb> hi lardman
Jul 14 19:37:23 <lardman> ssvb: you were right about malloc
Jul 14 19:37:27 <lcuk> this is what the committy could do
Jul 14 19:37:34 <lardman> ssvb: now running without pause at 133MHz :)
Jul 14 19:37:41 <lcuk> hi ssvb :)
Jul 14 19:37:43 <jott> so, one question is, who holds the actual intellectual property of the linux drivers...
Jul 14 19:38:02 <qgil> RST38x: all beings are mere mortals
Jul 14 19:38:02 <RST38x> jott: powervr guys
Jul 14 19:38:16 <lcuk> imgtec
Jul 14 19:38:24 <lcuk> Imagination Technologies
Jul 14 19:38:47 <RST38x> qgil: that is why you have to be a corporation to talk to corporation
Jul 14 19:38:49 <jott> not sure about this
Jul 14 19:39:28 <RST38x> qgil: basically, we need a contact in imagetek to talk to
Jul 14 19:39:32 <lcuk> qgil, what if we were to put together something concrete to speak to our hardware supplier.  is that not enough?
Jul 14 19:39:32 <qgil> RST38x: corporations talk already, you can wait and see, you can complain in a forum or you can try more things
Jul 14 19:39:48 <RST38x> not a techie guy but a decision maker
Jul 14 19:39:53 <lardman> qgil: http://www.imgtec.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5
Jul 14 19:39:56 <jott> At this point I will have to refer you to Nokia, as drivers at the end of the day are the exclusive concern of the OEM. It is possible we will see drivers for the N810 at some point, but it is not something I can comment on with any certainty in an official manner at this point.
Jul 14 19:39:57 <lcuk> sure, we have discussed with you - is there no movement from inside at your end?
Jul 14 19:40:03 <jott> that was the reply of imagination technologies
Jul 14 19:40:27 <lardman> jott: I got the same
Jul 14 19:40:31 <qgil> jott: and I can write the same thing if you want, refering to the owners of the drivers
Jul 14 19:40:41 <jott> qgil: :)
Jul 14 19:40:54 <lardman> So are Ti the ones to talk to?
Jul 14 19:41:02 <RST38x> qgil: very nice
Jul 14 19:41:06 <lardman> I don't think we really know where we should be looking
Jul 14 19:41:23 <lcuk> maybe it would be better to get a concrete proposal together and put it to ALL parties
Jul 14 19:41:31 <RST38x> qgil: you have proven to jott my point about talking to corporations
Jul 14 19:41:33 <qgil> lcuk: +1
Jul 14 19:42:01 <qgil> RST38x: and jott is proving my point that an individual alone has not many chances
Jul 14 19:42:03 <lardman> bboab
Jul 14 19:42:06 <lardman> bbiab even
Jul 14 19:42:20 <lcuk> this is something which will show maemo.org as a whole would like to move together and are focused
Jul 14 19:42:50 <qgil> corporations are made of mere mortals with mere strategies and mere priorities, responding to mere events
Jul 14 19:42:55 <RST38x> qgil: wait. let us forget 3d stuff for a moment
Jul 14 19:43:03 <lcuk> NOOOO
Jul 14 19:43:05 <lcuk> lets not :P
Jul 14 19:43:11 <RST38x> we all know it is fruitless
Jul 14 19:43:26 <RST38x> just for a moment lcuk
Jul 14 19:44:07 <RST38x> qgil: there is something very specific you can do for all the people here
Jul 14 19:44:13 <qgil> RST38x: and perhaps it is, but in any case I (personally) think it is more fruitful time spent than tryin g to reverse enginner something, or start yet another discussion with no conclusion in a forum
Jul 14 19:44:31 <RST38x> it does not invo,ve imagetek or ti, just nokia
Jul 14 19:44:46 <qgil> at least you have a public proposal, public examples, public voices in a piece of public HTML, and this lasts
Jul 14 19:45:42 <RST38x> qgil: we have got a gentleman here who has a2dp working without eating 100% cpu or other crap
Jul 14 19:46:24 <sp3000> ahh bollocks
Jul 14 19:46:28 <RST38x> qgil: but in order for his stuff to be usable, there need to be a few patches at nokia level
Jul 14 19:46:35 * sp3000 gets a stuck statusbar dropdown
Jul 14 19:47:06 <qgil> RST38x: where to look?
Jul 14 19:47:06 <Stskeeps> wb johnx|n800
Jul 14 19:47:08 <qgil> url
Jul 14 19:47:16 <RST38x> qgil: would you be willing to help him by passing code to nokia devs abd integrating it?
Jul 14 19:47:21 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/
Jul 14 19:47:28 <RST38x> qgil: msg lardman
Jul 14 19:47:37 <RST38x> he is the guy
Jul 14 19:47:51 <lcuk> RST38h, the same goes for 3d.  if we use maemo.org together to build a proper set of proposals for all our hardware issues it can be pushed to the relivent parties to work together to cure
Jul 14 19:48:00 <johnx|n800> Stskeeps, playing with xchat on n800/debian :)
Jul 14 19:48:06 <Stskeeps> johnx|n800: yay
Jul 14 19:48:24 <qgil> wait, step by step
Jul 14 19:48:36 <RST38x> well, 3d is more remote but a2dp is down to earth and real - just need to integrate it
Jul 14 19:48:36 <rm_you> johnx|n800: nice I will really need to set up a partition for that when i wake up. :)
Jul 14 19:49:02 <rm_you> ack, late for appointment, BBL
Jul 14 19:49:12 <johnx|n800> later rm_you
Jul 14 19:49:16 <qgil> I'm at home and I can't find exact names now but
Jul 14 19:49:18 <RST38x> does not concern any business stuff, technical only
Jul 14 19:49:45 <GeneralAntilles> A good first step would be opening a bug on bugzilla with the relevant patches..
Jul 14 19:49:49 <Stskeeps> i'd sell my soul for proper a2dp
Jul 14 19:49:50 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 19:49:58 <qgil> Patrick Flykt, Klaus Anderson, Kalle Valo are guys in maemo-developers
Jul 14 19:50:09 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: I've seen Reaper, maybe not a good idea ;)
Jul 14 19:50:16 <RST38x> qgil: see? people are offering souls
Jul 14 19:50:32 <RST38x> no doubt kidney offers will follow
Jul 14 19:50:52 <qgil> then another thing
Jul 14 19:51:10 <qgil> well no
Jul 14 19:51:13 <johnx> I'll give you one of RST38x's kidneys :)
Jul 14 19:51:21 <JamieBennett> me too ;)
Jul 14 19:51:23 <qgil> maemo-developers + bugs.maemo.org should be enough
Jul 14 19:51:25 <lcuk> ill give you the other one if we can get all this working
Jul 14 19:51:26 <RST38x> bastard. =)
Jul 14 19:51:39 * lcuk would have to buy extra hardware just to not listen to music wirelessly.
Jul 14 19:51:44 <johnx> just a quick swim and a short walk :)
Jul 14 19:51:48 <qgil> the guys are there and I can help pushing this if it's worth
Jul 14 19:52:03 <RST38x> appreciated
Jul 14 19:52:15 <qgil> one thing good to understand also
Jul 14 19:52:16 <lcuk> qgil, yes it is.  lardman has done a lot of great work uncovering the mysteries of the dsp
Jul 14 19:52:23 <JamieBennett> we all have an agenda with the device, the more people with the same agenda the better
Jul 14 19:52:33 <qgil> lardman is a known person in our team
Jul 14 19:52:48 <khertan> re ...
Jul 14 19:52:52 <JamieBennett> (me I want opengl es support but thats another story)
Jul 14 19:53:11 <lcuk> no its not jamie, we have a plan now :)
Jul 14 19:53:21 <khertan> (me want dpkg-dev and make_dh in extras-devel repository but an other story too)
Jul 14 19:53:26 <lcuk> well,a seedling of one anyway
Jul 14 19:53:41 <JamieBennett> We could make a compendium of stories with this one :)
Jul 14 19:53:44 <lcuk> hello florian
Jul 14 19:53:49 <khertan> they have a plan ...
Jul 14 19:53:57 <florian> re
Jul 14 19:53:58 <RST38x> Ok, now a bit closer to 3d stuff...
Jul 14 19:53:59 <khertan> this remember me something ... :)
Jul 14 19:54:24 * lardman feels his ears burning
Jul 14 19:54:31 <lardman> :)
Jul 14 19:54:38 <RST38x> Again, let us ignore MBX for now
Jul 14 19:54:43 <lcuk> JamieBennett, i think the committee just gained a purpose :)
Jul 14 19:54:48 * khertan drop some oil on lardman ears ...
Jul 14 19:54:50 * qwerty12_N800 pours water over lardman's ears 
Jul 14 19:54:52 <Stskeeps> lardman is the devil and has come to get our souls and kidneys?
Jul 14 19:54:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 19:54:55 <JamieBennett> I'm just hoping there's mention of OpenGL (ES) at the summit for new hardware and I'm sold for life!
Jul 14 19:55:15 <lardman> oil+water=explosion, did you not learn that at uni induction?
Jul 14 19:55:22 <lardman> :D
Jul 14 19:55:32 <khertan> :D
Jul 14 19:55:32 * Jaffa looks forward to the Fremantle UI stuff, and general chattage
Jul 14 19:55:34 <RST38x> qgil: from omap docs it looks like omap2 has a second arm cpu in the iva
Jul 14 19:55:35 <JamieBennett> lcuk: I can see a change in the community lately, great difference from say a year ago, great momentum now
Jul 14 19:55:38 <lcuk> oil+water+girls is another story though
Jul 14 19:55:46 <lardman> Jaffa: likewise, will be good to do some more chatting
Jul 14 19:55:52 <lardman> lcuk: lol
Jul 14 19:55:53 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, ask me again, when i do go to uni :p
Jul 14 19:55:54 <Jaffa> RST38x: about a bit now, if you've got sommmmmmme ideas
Jul 14 19:55:58 <Jaffa> (damned keyboard)
Jul 14 19:55:59 <RST38x> qgil: is it going
Jul 14 19:56:18 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: well, an early lesson for you, no water on chip pan fires, unless you hide round the corner!
Jul 14 19:56:19 * lcuk is smiling
Jul 14 19:56:30 <RST38x> qgil: to be possible to get some docs on accessing it?
Jul 14 19:56:46 <qgil> omap2 - who owns that?
Jul 14 19:56:53 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, ta, now i shall be sure to do that :p
Jul 14 19:57:05 <RST38x> jaffa: ok, consider a vertical window appx 400x600
Jul 14 19:57:10 <RST38x> qgil: ti
Jul 14 19:57:31 <lcuk> RST38h, we can push for access to ALL the hardware.  no stone unturned?
Jul 14 19:57:42 <lcuk> but we have to be united
Jul 14 19:57:55 <lardman> hi Dave
Jul 14 19:57:58 <Jaffa> RST38x: yup
Jul 14 19:58:06 <lcuk> hi dave \o
Jul 14 19:58:08 <RST38x> lcuk: we cant - different ip holders
Jul 14 19:58:18 <RST38x> lets start small
Jul 14 19:58:30 <lcuk> we can.  we can put the case for each piece of hardware required and direct the relivent parties to each
Jul 14 19:59:04 <RST38x> jaffa: from top to bottom:
Jul 14 19:59:11 <lcuk> some have hopes for a2dp, others for 3d, some for IVA, some are even wanting the charging circuit
Jul 14 19:59:12 <qgil> one question for yourselves: do you think Nokia is interested in closed 3rd party drivers and confidential documentation or open 3rd party drivers and public documentation
Jul 14 19:59:14 <lardman> lcuk: it would still be useful to get, from Nokia, some on-the-record reasoning behind why they've not already used said hw
Jul 14 19:59:41 <lardman> qgil: the latter for non-Nokia developed hw at least
Jul 14 19:59:46 <lcuk> absolutely lardman, and we can push for that once we have a coherant message
Jul 14 19:59:52 <RST38x> jaffa: 1. 2 tabs, Settings an Tasks
Jul 14 20:00:11 <RST38x> qgil: we do not know
Jul 14 20:00:17 <boolean> question: if we dont use any multimedia on the device, is it necessary to statr multimediad?
Jul 14 20:00:31 <RST38x> qgil: it's business stuff
Jul 14 20:00:41 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://ali.slackware.googlepages.com/ <- xfce4 HAL-using battery applet (no debian package though, needs to be compiled in debian :P)
Jul 14 20:00:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: tested it the other day, seemed to work
Jul 14 20:00:56 <RST38x> jaffa: 2. appx 400x240 preview image
Jul 14 20:01:29 <qgil> business stuff is not more difficult to decode than technical stuff
Jul 14 20:01:33 <JamieBennett> I'd be happy if Nokia said explicitly that 'this is open because we can' and 'this is closed because XXX (insert company name) don't want to make it open at this time'. That way it mitigates Nokia and the community is happy
Jul 14 20:01:34 <Jaffa> RST38x: outside the tab panel?
Jul 14 20:01:45 <RST38x> jaffa: 3. two drop downs, Bandwidth and Frame Size, both default to Auto
Jul 14 20:01:57 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennett, community happy? Pfft. :P
Jul 14 20:01:59 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'll look at that now. I've been playing with wmaker but sadly it's just not a good fit for a touch screen :/
Jul 14 20:02:01 <RST38x> jaffa: this is all inside settings tab
Jul 14 20:02:03 <JamieBennett> or venting its anger in other directions
Jul 14 20:02:03 <qgil> JamieBennett: is this how you treat your partners?
Jul 14 20:02:17 <lardman> It would be interesting for Igor (for example) to comment on-the-record about the decisions
Jul 14 20:02:29 <JamieBennett> qgil: I'd word it differently ofcourse ;)
Jul 14 20:02:37 * lcuk still feels silly about ranting to igor :(
Jul 14 20:02:37 <JamieBennett> (thats for marketing :D)
Jul 14 20:02:38 <Stskeeps> johnx: i tried afterstep earlier, it was okay for touchscreen but too damn slow - but that might have been because of fb_update_mode
Jul 14 20:02:58 <lardman> lcuk: I wondered if you'd got out the wrong side of bed that morning
Jul 14 20:03:02 * GeneralAntilles pokes lcuk in the ribs. :P
Jul 14 20:03:05 <johnx> Stskeeps, was even your cursor movement slow? if so it was fb_update
Jul 14 20:03:07 <lcuk> i posted that i had
Jul 14 20:03:10 <lcuk> yer gen i know
Jul 14 20:03:14 <Stskeeps> johnx: think so
Jul 14 20:03:36 <lcuk> i think thats the first time ive ever been riled by a posting
Jul 14 20:03:45 <lcuk> and i chose the one person who i shouldnt have :(
Jul 14 20:03:51 <JamieBennett> qgil: how about a simple package list and an entry saying 'open' or 'closed' and at the top of the (wiki?) page saying that Nokia is actively pursuing opening as much of the code as _Nokia_ CAN?
Jul 14 20:03:56 <RST38x> jaffa: 4. 3 radio buttons, whole panel width: Keep Frame Size , Crop Frames, Stretch Frames
Jul 14 20:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, don't worry. I've done it, too. :) I freaked out all over Eero about the soft poweroff stuff in Bugzilla. ;)
Jul 14 20:04:21 <RST38x> jaffa: with appropriate warnings about quality
Jul 14 20:04:28 <lardman> got to go, will check back from time to time
Jul 14 20:04:36 <lcuk> cya later simon
Jul 14 20:04:51 <RST38x> jaffa: SECOND PANEL:
Jul 14 20:05:09 * lcuk will laugh if jaffa disconnected at the start
Jul 14 20:05:37 <RST38x> jaffa: huge list of videos bring encoded, with file names, sizes, durations, progress bars
Jul 14 20:05:51 * Jaffa has the log
Jul 14 20:06:00 <lcuk> best go see a doctor
Jul 14 20:06:11 <RST38x> jaffa: odd lines are greenish, even lines are whiteish
Jul 14 20:06:19 <qgil> got to go as well
Jul 14 20:06:30 <qgil> one conclusion I'm  getting these days
Jul 14 20:06:42 <lcuk> qgil, thank you very much for dropping by.  you have given us something to discuss :)
Jul 14 20:06:43 <RST38x> jaffa: 3 buttons at the bottom: add, delete, start
Jul 14 20:06:46 <qgil> is that yes, the Maemo community is departing to higher levels of collaboration
Jul 14 20:06:59 <qgil> still I think we (including the nokians and myself)
Jul 14 20:07:03 <RST38x> jaffa: start becomes stop when sstarted
Jul 14 20:07:13 <qgil> are spending too much time discussing and reading how others discuss
Jul 14 20:07:20 <qgil> and going around the same things
Jul 14 20:07:23 <RST38x> Jaffa: this is it. nothing more.
Jul 14 20:07:42 <qgil> instead of investing that precious time building more interesting, useful and complex stuff
Jul 14 20:07:43 <RST38x> qgil <= damn right
Jul 14 20:07:46 <qgil> like lardman does
Jul 14 20:07:57 <khertan> qgil: agree with u :)
Jul 14 20:08:24 <RST38x> the trick is to pick small practical goals and push toward them
Jul 14 20:08:25 <lcuk> qgil, we are only trying to make the most out of what we have
Jul 14 20:08:30 <qgil> or like... what was the name of that guy that reverse engineered the image creation tool?
Jul 14 20:08:45 <lcuk> image creation tool?
Jul 14 20:08:58 <qgil> erm.. my brain is a bit dead at this time of the "day"
Jul 14 20:09:00 <qwerty12_N800> pancake? (with 0xffff's imgtool)
Jul 14 20:09:04 <qgil> that one
Jul 14 20:09:08 <RST38x> still, it would be nice if nokia made it easier for us
Jul 14 20:09:09 <timely> JamieBennett: i think typically you don't try to upset your partners
Jul 14 20:09:17 <timely> if you're doing business w/ someone, be it a supplier or customer
Jul 14 20:09:21 <timely> you don't publicly shame them
Jul 14 20:09:35 <timely> it doesn't make you look good, and it certainly doesn't help your ability to do business
Jul 14 20:09:35 <RST38x> jaffa: logged it?
Jul 14 20:09:52 * timely sees that qgil already wrote that
Jul 14 20:09:58 <qgil> RST38x: "make it easier" is not that easy when you are doing so many things
Jul 14 20:10:10 <qgil> and you are getting so many requests
Jul 14 20:10:14 <lcuk> timely it needs reinforcing
Jul 14 20:10:16 <qgil> less noise helps getting better the signal
Jul 14 20:10:26 <lcuk> or a2dp drivers ;)
Jul 14 20:10:32 <qgil> and there are many signals in the Maemo community, very good
Jul 14 20:10:39 <JamieBennett> timely: I know, I see it daily with my company but it would be nice to do it in such a subtle way that its not shaming, its a pushing in the right direction?
Jul 14 20:11:09 <qgil> JamieBennett: if you would know the evangelist work Nokia does with partners
Jul 14 20:11:31 <timely> i'm fairly confident that the people who deal w/ them push as hard as they can as many ways as they can
Jul 14 20:11:36 <JamieBennett> qgil: I'm sure you do which is why I have a lot of admiration for you guys
Jul 14 20:11:36 <timely> w/o hurting their ability to do business
Jul 14 20:11:42 <RST38x> qgil: just keeping it simple and stupid goes long way ;)
Jul 14 20:11:45 <timely> JamieBennett: look at sun and others
Jul 14 20:11:55 <timely> you do what you can, and when you can afford to change, you do
Jul 14 20:11:58 <JamieBennett> timely: lets not talk sun
Jul 14 20:12:05 <timely> for java, sun eventually had to rewrite the last bits to get it open
Jul 14 20:12:19 <timely> but nokia doesn't make core hardware components
Jul 14 20:12:24 <qgil> JamieBennett and RST38x may I ask where do you work - you know where I work
Jul 14 20:12:29 <timely> and it doesn't make sense for nokia to go into that business
Jul 14 20:12:45 <RST38x> qgil: Intel Inc
Jul 14 20:12:48 <timely> now, if someone were to make an open hardware component that was as inexpensive
Jul 14 20:13:05 <timely> or perhaps only slightly more so, but whose software maintenance costs balanced it out
Jul 14 20:13:06 <qgil> RST38x: cool, so you know
Jul 14 20:13:09 <timely> i'd imagine nokia would switch
Jul 14 20:13:14 <JamieBennett> qgil: A large gaming and entertainment company (no pc gaming) company
Jul 14 20:13:22 <JamieBennett> s/no/not
Jul 14 20:13:51 <RST38x> qgil: I have to admit Intel seems to be more successful at supporting developers
Jul 14 20:14:18 <lcuk> qgil, they make their own hardware though.  they are as open at most things as Ti are.  or is it even more i dunno?
Jul 14 20:14:23 <lcuk> sorry not qgil
Jul 14 20:14:24 <qgil> one problem with ITt and the like is that for one inspired johnx you have to deal with a lot of noise, and eventually even answer to it
Jul 14 20:14:24 <RST38x> qgil: but then, we make our own hardware from the ground up:]
Jul 14 20:14:25 <lcuk> RST38h,
Jul 14 20:15:27 <qgil> RST38x: intel has learned to play with Linux support - they have seen some business strategy in there and I'm sure their competitors are aware of that
Jul 14 20:15:33 <JamieBennett> qguil: you have the unenviable position as open source tablet advocate to a very wide skilled community, you will never have an easy time :D
Jul 14 20:15:54 <johnx> qgil, just so you know, before I wrote that ubuntu mobile post I was about to just tell everyone to shut the *&$% up about ubuntu mobile or get it running themselves :)
Jul 14 20:15:55 <JamieBennett> some can't figure out how to turn the device on ;)
Jul 14 20:16:09 <sp3000> christoph würstle?
Jul 14 20:16:10 <RST38x> qgil: Intel has got completely different business model from nokia
Jul 14 20:16:38 <qgil> RST38x: I was talking about Intel competitors and this doesn't include Nokia according to my calculations
Jul 14 20:16:55 <RST38x> qgil: so it is not comparable. besides, linux is just a relativerly small part of intel dev community
Jul 14 20:17:11 <RST38x> qgil: not at the moment
Jul 14 20:17:30 <Jaffa> RST38x: ta helpful
Jul 14 20:17:36 <RST38x> qgil: ti - maybe
Jul 14 20:17:39 <qgil> RST38x: well, look moblin and look what other chipset vendors have done in terms of open source & mobile...
Jul 14 20:18:27 <RST38x> qgil: moblin - pc based - umpc - not competition to nokias arm-baswd stuff
Jul 14 20:18:41 <JamieBennett> moblin raises a lot of eyebrows in my company, visually well done, haven't looked at the code though
Jul 14 20:18:47 <wnd> rm_you, somehow I ended up checking x-chat's configuration about nick autocompletion. you may want to add "completion_amount = 1" to your $HOME/.xchat2/xchat.conf .
Jul 14 20:18:54 <RST38x> qgil: but it helps selling atom cpus
Jul 14 20:18:56 * GeneralAntilles knows a thing or two about responding to the noise. <_<
Jul 14 20:19:24 <JamieBennett> RST38x: I hope arm and intel are coming closer in the low end market
Jul 14 20:19:42 <JamieBennett> in terms of performance
Jul 14 20:19:43 <RST38x> jamie: not really
Jul 14 20:20:11 <RST38x> please note that i am not speaking for intel here
Jul 14 20:20:28 <GeneralAntilles> x86 has a long way to go to match ARM efficiency wise.
Jul 14 20:20:30 <qgil> I left the office many hours ago
Jul 14 20:20:32 <RST38x> just my personal opinion based on public data
Jul 14 20:21:19 <qgil> but well, you were not talking about hardware efficiency but about Linux developers, am I right?
Jul 14 20:21:22 <RST38x> but anyway, current atom cpus are perfect for umpcs and settop boxes and dvd players
Jul 14 20:21:25 <JamieBennett> what was the phase something about the race to the bottom. I think people will realise that this device that runs at such a low speed actually does everything they want, look at the eeepc as an example
Jul 14 20:22:18 <RST38x> for really mobile stuff atom is not yet efficient enough and requires too many extra components
Jul 14 20:23:13 <RST38x> jamie: this can flip in a variety of ways for the industry
Jul 14 20:23:28 <qgil> alright, time for me to go - instead of a fruitful blog post about GUADEC I got this irc conversation...
Jul 14 20:23:33 <qgil> and thank you for thet  :)
Jul 14 20:23:35 <JamieBennett> RST38x: Agreed
Jul 14 20:23:44 <JamieBennett> quil: every community needs direction, its nice to see you pop in and provide that for use, thanks
Jul 14 20:23:48 <johnx> 'night qgil. good to hear from you :)
Jul 14 20:23:48 <lcuk> qgil :) thanks again
Jul 14 20:23:55 <JamieBennett> lol qgil
Jul 14 20:24:01 <lbt> anyone here done anything with gettext and C++ ?
Jul 14 20:24:02 * Stskeeps is pretty impressed with n8x0 now that he can see the performance/battery usage from a pure-debian perspective with power saving tricks
Jul 14 20:24:05 <RST38x> i could go over possible outcomes but i have no real kbd here
Jul 14 20:24:22 <JamieBennett> RST38x: are you at the Summit?
Jul 14 20:24:28 <RST38x> qgil: bye, please do not forget about a2dp
Jul 14 20:24:40 <RST38x> jamie: not really
Jul 14 20:24:44 <JamieBennett> :(
Jul 14 20:24:55 <lcuk> he wont be able to if we get the whole of maemo.org behind our goal
Jul 14 20:25:01 <johnx> Stskeeps, I was too. That's why I went back to OS2008 for a while after beta3
Jul 14 20:25:03 <JamieBennett> RST38x Would of been nice to sit down and hear your thoughts
Jul 14 20:25:59 <RST38x> i do not think they are really that important - a lot of this stuff is obvious
Jul 14 20:27:49 <JamieBennett> RST38x: Working in another country to my company I always find that face to face communication cannot be rivalled. It's where the real work gets done :)
Jul 14 20:28:11 <Jaffa> RST38x: two quick mockups, taking into account tablet-encode's encoding engine : http://www.flegg.org/~andrew/tablet-encode/page1/
Jul 14 20:28:15 * Jaffa triiiiiiiies a reboot.
Jul 14 20:28:18 <Jaffa> br
Jul 14 20:28:18 <Jaffa> +b
Jul 14 20:29:45 <ryoohki> is diablo only for developers?  i'm having a har time adding some of my favorite packages, like japanese language support and vpn software
Jul 14 20:29:52 <ryoohki> har=har
Jul 14 20:29:52 <timely> ryoohki: no
Jul 14 20:29:57 <timely> ryoohki: but it's summer
Jul 14 20:29:57 <ryoohki> har=hard
Jul 14 20:29:59 <lcuk_away> back later
Jul 14 20:30:00 <timely> and people take vacations
Jul 14 20:30:18 <timely> and you're not going to find some packages in diablo-extras until people get around to repackaging
Jul 14 20:30:32 <timely> you can try adding chinook-extras and pulling the packages from there
Jul 14 20:30:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: would be interesting to see if it would be possible to fillin a flash plugin package in some way, or look into standalone flash player using that trick
Jul 14 20:30:46 <ryoohki> ok, so diablo is ok for end users.  good!  you think by august many of the popular packages will be compiled for diablo and working fine
Jul 14 20:30:58 <RST38x> jamie: true but talk alone is cheap and it is no real work
Jul 14 20:31:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, I guess so. Personally I put flashblock on every computer I touch...
Jul 14 20:31:25 <ryoohki> aren't diablo and chinook different enough to cause problems?
Jul 14 20:31:42 <Stskeeps> johnx: agreed, but could be interesting for UIs
Jul 14 20:31:49 <GeneralAntilles> ryoohki, not really.
Jul 14 20:32:01 <johnx> Stskeeps, I see where you're going with this...
Jul 14 20:32:02 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly it's the changes in the Extras process that are tripping packagers up.
Jul 14 20:32:06 <timely> ryoohki: they really really shouldn't be
Jul 14 20:32:18 <ryoohki> the anthy package won't work right on diablo after doing as you and others have said, to use chinook
Jul 14 20:32:19 <timely> GeneralAntilles: eh?
Jul 14 20:32:25 <GeneralAntilles> The end result will be much better quality packaging, but we have a short but bumpy road to cover before we get there.
Jul 14 20:32:34 <GeneralAntilles> timely, autobuilder, the new promotion interface, etc.
Jul 14 20:33:01 <GeneralAntilles> Lots of packages were badly put together before
Jul 14 20:33:03 <ryoohki> the keyboard won't pop up under certain circustances, like when trying to enter my gmail username and password
Jul 14 20:33:09 <RST38x> jaffa: this will kill my cell bill
Jul 14 20:33:38 <Stskeeps> johnx: no, not ubuntu mobile :P
Jul 14 20:33:52 <RST38x> jaffa: anyways, looks ok but replace preset with two drop downs
Jul 14 20:34:10 <johnx> Stskeeps, right, but other things that are closer to apps than websites
Jul 14 20:34:26 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jul 14 20:34:30 <RST38x> jaffa: more flexible this way and not much more complicsted as long as both have auto or best option
Jul 14 20:35:00 <Stskeeps> well it's mostly from my professional perspective since we'd prolly end up deploying debian tablets to patients with a ui on top
Jul 14 20:35:19 <Stskeeps> (for testing pervasive healthcare solutions)
Jul 14 20:35:34 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: The poor people in hospital?
Jul 14 20:35:53 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: yes - best way to make people use debian is when they're at their weakest
Jul 14 20:35:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 20:35:56 <johnx> Stskeeps, and flash would make a nice rapid-prototyping networked UI
Jul 14 20:36:21 <JamieBennett> Stskeeps: Thats evil! At least give them Ubuntu :D
Jul 14 20:36:29 <johnx> stab stab stab
Jul 14 20:37:13 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: i've had ubuntu 7.04 booting sanely on my tablet but the lack of packages made it boring
Jul 14 20:41:22 <JamieBennett> Pop quiz: Maybe the wrong channel but how many program open source in their own time?
Jul 14 20:41:51 <johnx> program is a little strong :) I hack
Jul 14 20:42:35 <JamieBennett> johnx: lol. Given a problem in a field you know could you provide a solution?
Jul 14 20:42:48 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: when i'm at work i do properitary and when i'm at home i do open source
Jul 14 20:43:09 <johnx> JamieBennett, given an existing half solution I often make it an 80% solution :)
Jul 14 20:44:11 <melmoth> JamieBennett: it depends if i have an easy enough itch to scracth.
Jul 14 20:44:34 <melmoth> otherwise, i cannot be bothered (aint laziness a programmer vertu ?)
Jul 14 20:44:48 <JamieBennett> I have a newly formed company that I want to turn into a not-for-profit company where every engineer is paid an agreed salary and once the contracts pay for that engineer the rest of the time the developer works for open source ('free'). Idealistic?
Jul 14 20:45:56 <MangoFusion> 0_0
Jul 14 20:46:08 <derf> Depending on what you're doing, there's no reason the products of the contracts can't be open source also.
Jul 14 20:47:33 <JamieBennett> The idea I have is that for instance a 2 month contract that pays a good tender could pay for a developers salary (say 50k) and from then on for 10 months he/she develops open source for the other 10 months (with structure and accountability of course)
Jul 14 20:47:56 <JamieBennett> pipe dream?
Jul 14 20:47:59 <Stskeeps> JamieBennett: well it all depends on how much time would be leftover from the contracts and all the stuff like company house etc
Jul 14 20:48:02 <Stskeeps> it's all numbers
Jul 14 20:48:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 14 20:48:31 <derf> Well, two problems: 1) you have a lot more expenses than just developer salary. and 2) "structure and accountability" takes all the fun out of it.
Jul 14 20:49:09 <derf> But expecting anywhere near 6:1 markup seems a little unrealistic to me.
Jul 14 20:49:45 <JamieBennett> GSOC like (Google summer of code) for the free time. As for time left over it would be like a once costs are made (no profits) then your salary is secure for the rest of the year so you do 'good stuff' :)
Jul 14 20:49:56 <derf> I work for a defense contractor, and our net profit margin is much closer to the 5-10% range. Not 500%.
Jul 14 20:50:59 <derf> JamieBennett: A good percentage of GSoC students seem to do the bare minimum up until they've secured the midterm payment, and then never show up again.
Jul 14 20:51:43 <JamieBennett> derf: :( As for profit margins how many would take a pay cut from their current job to work from home and work on 'cool stuff' (tablets all day?)
Jul 14 20:52:06 <JamieBennett> I would!
Jul 14 20:52:10 <derf> We already underpay everyone already.
Jul 14 20:52:20 <JamieBennett> :(
Jul 14 20:52:21 <derf> Well, at least all the engineers.
Jul 14 20:52:33 <glass> not many see that they can afford to work just few months of the year
Jul 14 20:52:35 <derf> I have no idea what management makes.
Jul 14 20:53:07 <glass> quite many would just work for few months and keep the rest of the year as vacation if they were in such a business that they could afford
Jul 14 20:53:26 <JamieBennett> glass: its more a labour of love, the company covers your salary and in turn allows your to work on your project of choice (but obviously monitors it)
Jul 14 20:53:37 <derf> glass: Maybe if they continued to live like they were still in college.
Jul 14 20:54:06 <derf> People seem to like going out and buying big, expensive houses and fancy cars.
Jul 14 20:54:39 <glass> JamieBennett: well then someone could afford to keep the company rolling just few months of the year
Jul 14 20:54:40 <lardman> re
Jul 14 20:55:00 <glass> JamieBennett: point being here that it's not that easy to score such payments that you could afford to do what you want for most of the year
Jul 14 20:55:29 <derf> I had a friend going through medical school, and she was talking with one of the doctors supervising her residency when he made the comment, "You won't understand this now, but after a while, $400k/year just isn't very much money."
Jul 14 20:56:26 <derf> JamieBennett: You would definitely need to have the right people involved.
Jul 14 20:56:38 <derf> The people who would still do the same things even if they weren't being paid.
Jul 14 20:56:54 <JamieBennett> glass: but if the costs were 100k per year and you meet then then what do you do with profits in a not for profit? I have an umbrella company that I'm hoping to house individual developers under, nothing formal apart from me vetting developers on experience, but in a form that encourages bounties, encourages making costs for the company but nothing more, the rest is contributed back.
Jul 14 20:57:06 <jga23> anybody know where to get subversion for diablo?
Jul 14 20:57:46 <johnx> jga23, gronmayer.com/it I would assume
Jul 14 20:57:48 <glass> JamieBennett: your sw company would have to be one superduperfuckin healthy sw company to be able to stay float and do what you're thinking, thats what i'm saying
Jul 14 21:00:34 <JamieBennett> derf: you raise a good point, I have worked with alot of engineers. My measure of a good software engineer is if I would give that person a job in MY company. Most sadly don't fit that bill. Some do. They are the exception. I want to find the exception that are motivated by contributing rather than commercial work and the commercial side just pays the bills but in this case, they are not alone, they are part of a company of i
Jul 14 21:01:27 <yigal> I bought a motorazr v3 today as a modem for my n800 and it works great can I add it to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/BluetoothDUN/ ?
Jul 14 21:01:48 <yigal> oh, never mind it's already there, speaking before reading
Jul 14 21:02:40 <sp3001> the current page would be http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_Network_Enabled_Cell_Phones I suppose
Jul 14 21:02:59 <yigal> oh, that's good to know about
Jul 14 21:03:03 * sp3001 wonders why the old wiki isn't labeled old ...or is it not ...old enough yet? :)
Jul 14 21:03:35 <GeneralAntilles> jga23, I'm fairly certain there's a package in Extras or maybe Extras-devel.
Jul 14 21:05:00 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, probably a good plan.
Jul 14 21:05:02 <GeneralAntilles> I'll talk to X-Fade about it.
Jul 14 21:05:40 <JamieBennett> Anyway, I will be fleshing out the site, http://www.rocksoft.co.uk as a not for profit software house. If anyone is interested email the address there. (way of topic for maemo but kind of relevant as I for one don't get paid for maemo development)
Jul 14 21:06:47 <lcuk_away> jamie, if a company can sustainably get contracts to allow developers to be free 10months out of 12 then you know what i wouldn't do
Jul 14 21:07:05 <lcuk_away> stop fucking working and i would make as much money as i could
Jul 14 21:07:30 <lcuk_away> - swearing of course
Jul 14 21:08:01 <sp3000> 10 months of free time a year would make you stop swearing?
Jul 14 21:08:06 <lcuk_away> lol
Jul 14 21:08:17 <JamieBennett> but thats the point lcuk_away its not about making money, its about paying people to develop by taking paying contracts then once they have a yearly salary then the rest is 'free'
Jul 14 21:08:22 <Toba> 10 months of free time a year would drive me out of my gourd
Jul 14 21:08:35 <Toba> ...oh.
Jul 14 21:08:39 <Toba> not actually free
Jul 14 21:08:42 <JamieBennett> toba: not free :)
Jul 14 21:08:44 <Toba> just don't need to worry about their productivity
Jul 14 21:08:45 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: otoh the right thing is probably to set a redirect from each page when it's been migrated and polished
Jul 14 21:09:08 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, some of it contains archived 770-relevant information
Jul 14 21:09:19 <JamieBennett> toba: the rest is googles 20% time which could be 2% or 80% who knows :)
Jul 14 21:09:22 <GeneralAntilles> Bold text at the top mentioning the new page might be better.
Jul 14 21:10:05 <JamieBennett> email me if anyone is interested in the concept (not maemo related now but we have some great free-lance developers here)
Jul 14 21:10:09 <lcuk_away> JamieBennett, when you have money its easy to pass it by.  when you dont and you have the opportunity to you take it
Jul 14 21:10:30 <JamieBennett> lcuk_away: email me
Jul 14 21:10:46 <lardman> Gaaaarrrraaagggeee iiiiiisssss ssssllllloooooowwwwww
Jul 14 21:10:55 <lcuk_away> i would love to be involved, but that part of me would always feel like there would be more
Jul 14 21:11:05 <lcuk_away> JamieBennett, :) i will be meeting you soon enough
Jul 14 21:12:37 <JamieBennett> lcuk_away: you are exactly the kind of person I want to see on board, email me, IM me, phone me (its not that hard to find) or come and slap me at the summit and tell me its a bad idea (bear in mind I'm the 6 foot 4 inch 17 stone ex pro-rugby player ;) (the last bit is true))
Jul 14 21:13:03 <lcuk_away> thats ok im a 12 stone weekling - i will kick your ass
Jul 14 21:13:04 <lcuk_away> :P
Jul 14 21:13:10 <JamieBennett> :P
Jul 14 21:13:23 <JamieBennett> my left leg is about 12 stone, does that count?
Jul 14 21:13:48 <lcuk_away> you must walk with a bit of a limp
Jul 14 21:14:39 <JamieBennett> I was talking about left center, or right center, depends on which way it wants to hang :D (totally off subject now)
Jul 14 21:14:58 <lbt> err - does maemo have Gnome::Conf ??
Jul 14 21:15:51 <lcuk_away> lol
Jul 14 21:16:00 <lcuk_away> dunno lbt
Jul 14 21:16:01 <lbt> shurrup
Jul 14 21:16:12 <JamieBennett> lcuk_away: mail me, I'm not sure I have your email unless I've lost it in the deluge, I'm sure we could have a pre-summit chat
Jul 14 21:16:23 <lbt> god - you try and do something 'properly'....
Jul 14 21:16:47 <lardman> Good to see Igor is on the attendees list
Jul 14 21:16:58 <lcuk_away> jamie, if you get my software (liqbase) you can find my mail address
Jul 14 21:17:00 <lbt> no Glib::IO, no Gnome::Conf, naff docs on gtkmm .... <sigh>
Jul 14 21:17:29 * lbt grumbles off to mix C into his pure C++
Jul 14 21:17:40 * lbt again
Jul 14 21:17:56 <lcuk_away> is there that much missing from ++?
Jul 14 21:18:05 <lardman> lbt: C++, yuck ;)
Jul 14 21:18:21 <lcuk_away> does it just need compiling for maemo or have you tried
Jul 14 21:18:35 <lcuk_away> lardman, even ive dropped back to c the last few nights
Jul 14 21:18:44 <johnx> Stskeeps, compiling the battery plugin while I sleep
Jul 14 21:18:45 <lcuk_away> it was frustrating waiting for compilation times
Jul 14 21:18:48 <johnx> 'night all
Jul 14 21:18:51 <lcuk_away> night john
Jul 14 21:18:54 <lbt> lardman: OTOH have you *seen* gtk and C?
Jul 14 21:18:54 <lbt> <barf>
Jul 14 21:19:12 <lardman> lbt: yeah, I try to avoid GUI programming really :)
Jul 14 21:19:27 <derf> lardman: Smart man.
Jul 14 21:19:28 <lbt> mmm - I like kernels...
Jul 14 21:19:37 <lcuk> JamieBennett, you didnt get my pm did you
Jul 14 21:20:04 <lbt> My Gtkmm app consumes 102Mb for a shopping list
Jul 14 21:20:13 <lbt> I feel gtk may be a bit heavy
Jul 14 21:20:24 <lcuk> GUI programming should be algorithmic and be an actual function of the contents
Jul 14 21:20:28 <lcuk> not this fancy designer crap
Jul 14 21:20:37 <lbt> meh
Jul 14 21:20:41 <lbt> toolkits
Jul 14 21:20:52 <lardman> no, it should look pretty and be done by artistic types
Jul 14 21:21:01 <lardman> :)
Jul 14 21:21:06 <lbt> anyhow - it's even more nearly done now
Jul 14 21:21:08 <derf> It should be both.
Jul 14 21:21:13 <derf> At the same time.
Jul 14 21:21:15 <lbt> shame the fridge died :(
Jul 14 21:21:23 <lbt> couldn't test the interface....
Jul 14 21:21:47 <lcuk> the pretty comes from the widget set in use, but the size and contents should be functional and prioritized
Jul 14 21:21:51 * GeneralAntilles is going slightly less active for the rest of the summer.
Jul 14 21:21:57 <GeneralAntilles> I will catch you all on the flip side.
Jul 14 21:22:07 <lbt> too late - summer's over
Jul 14 21:22:29 <lbt> oh, wait, you're not in the UK are you?
Jul 14 21:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> lol. . .
Jul 14 21:22:40 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jul 14 21:23:03 <lbt> windows client?
Jul 14 21:23:06 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: you off then?
Jul 14 21:23:45 <GeneralAntilles> Going home for the rest of the summer
Jul 14 21:23:48 <GeneralAntilles> vacation and work
Jul 14 21:23:51 <GeneralAntilles> So I'll be in and out.
Jul 14 21:24:04 <lbt> where's 'home' ?
Jul 14 21:24:12 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: come to Berlin, you know you want to!
Jul 14 21:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, 300 miles south of here, St. Petersburg, FL.
Jul 14 21:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway
Jul 14 21:25:36 * GeneralAntilles out
Jul 14 21:26:41 <Medic119> i guess all the conversation just ended
Jul 14 21:27:04 * lardman wonders if all of the slab allocation code in the dsb-tremor code should be ripped out and replaced with malloc+free...
Jul 14 21:27:10 <lbt> no, just using a small font
Jul 14 21:29:22 <lbt> I was wrong BTW, I just needed to install libgconfmm-2.6-dev and add it to my build-depends..
Jul 14 21:33:04 <lardman> derf: do you happen to know, or have an idea where I could find memory requirements for Tremor?
Jul 14 21:33:52 <lardman> ah, the wonders of Google: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-October/001116.html
Jul 14 21:34:43 <lcuk> lbt :) glad you found it
Jul 14 21:35:13 <lbt> now I just need to make it compile - using autoconf
Jul 14 21:35:14 <lcuk> lardman, does the dsp malloc/free allow you to preset which page it sits in ?
Jul 14 21:35:28 <lcuk> or does that not matter
Jul 14 21:35:41 <derf> lardman: Yeah, that's where I would've looked :)
Jul 14 21:36:22 <lardman> derf: :)
Jul 14 21:39:59 <lardman> lcuk: not malloc, but it must be a #define to one of the MEM_*() fns which would allow it
Jul 14 21:40:59 <derf> lardman: How is Tremor going, by the way? Still stuck unpacking the Huffman tables?
Jul 14 21:41:12 <lcuk> its cleaner if it is allocated on the fly
Jul 14 21:41:49 <lardman> derf: have been busy with SBC, now that's done I'll get back to it
Jul 14 21:43:43 <lcuk> lardman, :) its good to know you have a baseline working version.
Jul 14 21:43:56 <lardman> lcuk: of SBC?
Jul 14 21:43:58 <lcuk> i gather all this alloc stuff is more optimization
Jul 14 21:43:59 <lcuk> yer
Jul 14 21:44:08 <lardman> lcuk: nah, that's finished now
Jul 14 21:44:19 <lardman> lcuk: works at 133MHz on the DSP, job done
Jul 14 21:44:42 <lcuk> :D
Jul 14 21:44:56 <lardman> doubtless more optimisation to be done on it, but it does what's needed - ARM can run at 400MHz to do other stuff and no drop outs
Jul 14 21:45:08 <lcuk> i thought that with my blitting - then ssvb told me it could go even faster.  now i optimize for battery life
Jul 14 21:45:12 <lardman> so time to move onto other things
Jul 14 21:45:25 <lcuk> thats good then
Jul 14 21:45:29 <wiza> some a2dp step-by-step installation help anywhere?
Jul 14 21:45:56 <lardman> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp ??
Jul 14 21:46:08 <lardman> or DSP stuff?
Jul 14 21:46:50 <wiza> both
Jul 14 21:47:26 <lardman> see johnx's first post in that thread for his deb to easily enable/disable a2dp
Jul 14 21:47:45 <lardman> download my tar.gz + .deb + script to install DSP stuff
Jul 14 21:47:58 <lardman> and optionally flash the kernel to decouple the DSP + ARM speeds
Jul 14 21:48:51 <lcuk> that damned cpufreq throttling got on my nerves more than anything ;)
Jul 14 21:49:22 <wiza> lardman: so no step-by-step instructions? :D
Jul 14 21:51:59 <lardman> wiza: Ask and I will give ;)
Jul 14 21:52:17 <wiza> ok, I'm installing the a2dp-support .deb now
Jul 14 21:52:22 <lardman> cool
Jul 14 21:52:32 <lardman> test that you have ARM-encoded output then
Jul 14 21:55:04 <wiza> ok, I don't even have mplayer installed, gotta add that chinook repository too :D
Jul 14 22:01:58 <wiza> ok, so now I only have a2dp installed, next step sbc-dsp stuff? where can I find it?
Jul 14 22:02:31 <JamieBennett> Must sleep ,past midnight here and I need to sleep.
Jul 14 22:04:32 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/
Jul 14 22:06:28 <wiza> http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#easyroot <- is getting root easily so bad that everybody is trying to hide the easiest way
Jul 14 22:06:37 <wiza> by removing the whole easyroot part
Jul 14 22:07:27 * lardman has no idea, he's always running in R&D mode
Jul 14 22:07:38 <wiza> yeah, and I don't see rootsh in apps
Jul 14 22:07:49 <Atarii770> rootsh has now replaced easyroot
Jul 14 22:08:14 <wiza> and rootsh is in extras?
Jul 14 22:08:24 <Atarii770> yup
Jul 14 22:08:49 <wiza> um, I don't see it
Jul 14 22:09:00 <Atarii770> diablo or chinook?
Jul 14 22:09:10 <wiza> both
Jul 14 22:09:15 <sp3000> what the heck
Jul 14 22:09:16 <wiza> free non-free
Jul 14 22:09:28 <wiza> diablo OS but both repositories
Jul 14 22:09:28 <Atarii770> its deffo in chinook atleast
Jul 14 22:09:32 * sp3000 wonders what the second statusbar row is supposed to look like
Jul 14 22:09:53 <RST38h> dr. Ibrahims cancer continues defiling all equipment via email
Jul 14 22:10:03 <lardman> wiza: I've got to hit the sack now; DSP stuff is for Diablo only, move the .dev, .sh and .tar.gz to a directory with execute perms (i.e. no mmc/sd), run the script, reboot
Jul 14 22:10:12 <wiza> lardman: ok
Jul 14 22:10:14 <lardman> s/dev/deb
Jul 14 22:10:33 <lardman> script should extract tarball, install .deb
Jul 14 22:10:49 <wiza> Atarii770: maemo Extras chinook, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/, chinook, free non-free
Jul 14 22:10:56 <lardman> if you want to decouple ARM & DSP speeds you can also flash the kernel
Jul 14 22:11:03 <lardman> night all
Jul 14 22:11:16 <RST38h> lardman: did you file a bug about a2dp integration already?
Jul 14 22:11:25 <Atarii770> yes its in there; rootsh
Jul 14 22:12:17 <sp3000> ssh++
Jul 14 22:12:23 <Atarii770> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/r/rootsh
Jul 14 22:12:34 <sp3000> (I mean you want ssh anyway, right, so why add more pieces to the puzzle...)
Jul 14 22:22:57 <GAN800> rootsh is easyroot, except in Extras.
Jul 14 22:23:26 <GAN800> and maintained by somebody who doesn't suck
Jul 14 22:26:23 <crashanddie> GAN800, now now, don't be harsh
Jul 14 22:26:41 <crashanddie> btw, is garage ever going to use git, instead of svn ?
Jul 14 22:26:48 <crashanddie> or at least, svn AND git ?
Jul 14 22:27:05 <crashanddie> or is that a "not a priority, will see" issue ?
Jul 14 22:27:43 <GAN800> Did you open a bug yet?
Jul 14 22:27:55 <crashanddie> wut ?
Jul 14 22:28:00 <GAN800> Until somebody actually talks to X-Fade about it, it's a nothing. :P
Jul 14 22:28:06 <crashanddie> is not having git a bug ?
Jul 14 22:28:11 <GAN800> Enhancement request: "Add GIT to Garage"
Jul 14 22:28:16 <crashanddie> bleh
Jul 14 22:28:22 <crashanddie> I'm getting sick of "add it as a bug"
Jul 14 22:28:32 <GAN800> Then quit asknig for things
Jul 14 22:28:35 <GAN800> That's the process.
Jul 14 22:28:40 <GAN800> and it's not a "bug" bug
Jul 14 22:28:43 <GAN800> It's an enhancement request.
Jul 14 22:28:53 <GAN800> If you don't actually want things, then don't ask for them. :P
Jul 14 22:29:00 <crashanddie> I was asking for information ffs
Jul 14 22:29:12 <crashanddie> I'm not saying "I need git, AAADDDDDD IIITTTTT"
Jul 14 22:29:23 <crashanddie> I'm asking, have you ever heard about the idea of adding git in the whole process, yes or no ?
Jul 14 22:29:24 <GAN800> You're the only person I've seen ask for git so far. ;)
Jul 14 22:29:36 <crashanddie> ok, fair enough
Jul 14 22:29:40 <GAN800> Which is why I'm telling you to file a bug. :P
Jul 14 22:29:41 * jott asked too :)
Jul 14 22:29:49 <crashanddie> I'm going to file a bug
Jul 14 22:29:49 <jott> but i haven't filed a bug yet :p
Jul 14 22:30:13 <GAN800> Anyway, once somebody actually gets with X-Fade about it, I'm sure it wont be a problem.
Jul 14 22:30:53 <crashanddie> "Enhancement requests should not be categorized as bugs. Quite the contrary, they are exactly the opposite of each other. An enhancement request is there to work on a lack of feature, a bug report is there to work on a feature that didn't work out right"
Jul 14 22:31:00 * GAN800 should be on the road, but is waiting for the police to finish arresting his neighbor instead.
Jul 14 22:31:16 <jott> huh? :O
Jul 14 22:31:21 <jott> dramatic scenes?
Jul 14 22:31:24 <crashanddie> GAN800, I think that's probably one of the best excuses for arriving late I've ever heard
Jul 14 22:31:25 <GAN800> crashanddie, for the purposes of m.b.o they're all "bugs"
Jul 14 22:31:32 <GAN800> jott, lots of shouting at the moment.
Jul 14 22:31:41 <jott> drunken folks?
Jul 14 22:31:48 <GAN800> Not sure
Jul 14 22:31:58 <GAN800> Parole violation of some sort, I think.
Jul 14 22:32:28 <crashanddie> GAN800, get out, and yell "YOU IDIOTS, THE KIDDIE PORN I REPORTED IS NEXT DOOR"
Jul 14 22:33:59 <crashanddie> GAN800, or, get out, with your hands on your head, walking backwards to them
Jul 14 22:34:28 <GAN800> I called my mother to tell her that I hadn't left yet, she asked me if I wanted to move now.
Jul 14 22:34:58 <GAN800> The funny part about that is that we've got neighbors like this that've lived next door to us at my parents house (in a supposedly nice neigborhood) for 10 years.
Jul 14 22:35:03 <RST38h> ga: we are all expecting gunshots
Jul 14 22:35:14 <GAN800> RST38h, nah nothing that serious.
Jul 14 22:35:30 <crashanddie> GAN800, run to the cops, with an alarm-clock, and yell "I HAVE A BOMB, I HAVE A BOMB"
Jul 14 22:35:37 <GAN800> I've gotta walk right through them to get to my car, though.
Jul 14 22:35:38 <crashanddie> I think I just might do that once
Jul 14 22:35:40 <jott> and where is the live video feed anyway?
Jul 14 22:36:12 <GAN800> jott, you want to buy me a camera? :D
Jul 14 22:36:32 <GAN800> crashanddie, in this post 9/11 world. . . . ;)
Jul 14 22:36:38 <crashanddie> Hahaha... Just go get your car, and while driving off, thank your neighbour for keeping the cops busy so they didn't write you a ticket for bad parking
Jul 14 22:37:21 <crashanddie> GAN800, bleh, 9/11 is just a date now, a very specific moment of history, and now, we just want to make fun of it
Jul 14 22:37:56 <RST38h> crash: actually, not jut a date
Jul 14 22:38:12 <crashanddie> "How long does it take a New York to reach the ground from 107 stories up ?"
Jul 14 22:38:17 <crashanddie> a New Yorker**
Jul 14 22:38:32 <RST38h> crash: very NICE date to fly via us airports
Jul 14 22:38:32 <crashanddie> "Answer: The rest of his life."
Jul 14 22:38:45 <crashanddie> RST38h, I bet
Jul 14 22:39:21 <GAN800> crashanddie, it's a bit of a running joke in the US among some groups.
Jul 14 22:39:21 <RST38h> crash: DIA is EMPTY. No lines. No time spent looking for parking spot.
Jul 14 22:39:38 <RST38h> Nice and clear just like 10 years ago
Jul 14 22:39:46 <crashanddie> RST38h, I'd be tempted to book a flight for "Kayda, Al" on 9/11/08
Jul 14 22:40:24 <crashanddie> or "Wrist, Terry"
Jul 14 22:40:32 <crashanddie> awesome to hear that on PA
Jul 14 22:40:36 <RST38h> crash: your airport receives anything bigger than a cessna?=)
Jul 14 22:40:49 <crashanddie> yeah
Jul 14 22:40:55 <crashanddie> we receive A380's actually :P
Jul 14 22:41:10 <RST38h> Ny has a sign Clinton/Killworth at one place
Jul 14 22:41:17 <RST38h> crash: Umgh!
Jul 14 22:41:27 <crashanddie> And yes, those fly over my house
Jul 14 22:41:46 <RST38h> where from?
Jul 14 22:41:58 <crashanddie> we're the second end for the test flights
Jul 14 22:42:10 <crashanddie> so we get like one a month
Jul 14 22:42:33 <crashanddie> after every landing, there's a 30 minute inspection of the landing-way
Jul 14 22:42:52 <RST38h> ah
Jul 14 22:42:55 <crashanddie> because they're not "entirely" sure the asphalt can take it
Jul 14 22:43:06 <GAN800> Ha
Jul 14 22:43:11 <GAN800> That's such an awesome plane.
Jul 14 22:43:22 * GAN800 brings those to fly-ins in X-Plane every once and a while.
Jul 14 22:43:40 <RST38h> wait until they make a flying wing...;)
Jul 14 22:43:44 <crashanddie> Well, not that awesome when it flies over your house at full speed, trust me
Jul 14 22:44:06 <GAN800> Hehe
Jul 14 22:44:16 <crashanddie> Seriously, those bitches are noisy
Jul 14 22:44:17 <GAN800> I've lived under the primary flight path for a small local airport for most of my life
Jul 14 22:44:23 <GAN800> So I'm useful to Cessnas, anyway.
Jul 14 22:44:36 <crashanddie> used**
Jul 14 22:44:42 <GAN800> lol
Jul 14 22:44:45 <GAN800> On the phone with my mother
Jul 14 22:44:50 <GAN800> muscle memory is really taking over.
Jul 14 22:44:50 <crashanddie> "Gen is useful to Cessnas"
Jul 14 22:44:55 <GAN800> Very.
Jul 14 22:44:58 <crashanddie> :D
Jul 14 22:45:00 <GAN800> Flap my arms really hard.
Jul 14 22:45:18 <crashanddie> GAN800, you fly in V formation, make a wind tunnel and help 'em take off ?
Jul 14 22:45:44 <GAN800> Run down the runway with a rope really fast.
Jul 14 22:46:10 <rm_you> back
Jul 14 22:46:12 <crashanddie> GAN800 is in fact the guy who seems to have the most boring job in the world... It's pushing a plane with a 3ft long mini-car
Jul 14 22:46:12 <rm_you> wnd: thanks
Jul 14 22:46:27 <rm_you> Jaffa: I love that you're encoding Dr. Who in the mockups :P
Jul 14 22:47:59 <crashanddie> Law of P2P: The more you watch the download as it progresses, the lower the download rate will go
Jul 14 22:48:34 <GAN800> crashanddie, that's why I do my downloading on a remote machine! :D
Jul 14 22:48:53 <rm_you> crashanddie: not if you're on the right tracker :P
Jul 14 22:49:08 <crashanddie> there's like a dedicated thread in the process... while (1) { if (screen.hasFocus()) download.stall(); }
Jul 14 22:50:46 <V13> is this channel logged and the output archived and available from web ?
Jul 14 22:50:51 <crashanddie> The second law of P2P, no matter how good your internet connection is, P2P will only max out your internet connection from 5 years ago
Jul 14 22:51:00 <rm_you> crashanddie: not if you're on the right tracker :P
Jul 14 22:51:08 <crashanddie> rm_you, probably
Jul 14 22:51:18 <crashanddie> rm_you, I've given up private trackers and everything
Jul 14 22:51:20 <crashanddie> V13, yeah
Jul 14 22:51:32 <rm_you> get on a decent private tracker and you can ignore both of those rules :)
Jul 14 22:51:34 <GAN800> ~maemo-logs
Jul 14 22:51:35 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-logs is IRC channels are logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
Jul 14 22:51:48 <V13> good..
Jul 14 22:51:57 <crashanddie> V13, why ?
Jul 14 22:52:07 <rm_you> crashanddie: so he can report us for P2P :P
Jul 14 22:52:13 <crashanddie> heh
Jul 14 22:52:15 <crashanddie> go ahead
Jul 14 22:52:20 <crashanddie> knock yourself out
Jul 14 22:52:24 <V13> Please forgive the self-talking. I'll only say this because it took me some hours and it may by usefull for others too.
Jul 14 22:52:29 <rm_you> of course, I only download linux distros on my private tracker :P
Jul 14 22:52:42 <crashanddie> but you'll notice there's "adsl" in my host :-°
Jul 14 22:52:49 <crashanddie> and I'm on FiOS :D
Jul 14 22:52:59 <rm_you> oooo FiOS :P
Jul 14 22:53:25 <GAN800> lol
Jul 14 22:53:29 <GAN800> rm_you, don't even get him started.
Jul 14 22:53:32 <V13> If you wan't to connect to the Internet using Bluetooth and GPRS on maemo diablo (but should work with chinook and bora too) then the easiest way seems to be dbus, by using existing services.
Jul 14 22:53:45 <GAN800> Looks like I'm not getting on the road today. :\
Jul 14 22:53:55 <V13> wan't == want
Jul 14 22:53:56 <crashanddie> GAN800, why so ?
Jul 14 22:54:16 <GAN800> I'm tired, it's getting dark, and the police are still here.
Jul 14 22:54:18 <V13> To connect: dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.connect string:"Connection Name" uint32:0
Jul 14 22:54:24 <crashanddie> V13, it would probably be more interesting to post this on ITT
Jul 14 22:54:24 <GAN800> It's a ~5 hour drive.
Jul 14 22:54:27 <V13> To disconnect: dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.disconnect boolean:true
Jul 14 22:54:40 <V13> ITT ?
Jul 14 22:54:47 <crashanddie> V13, internettablettalk.com
Jul 14 22:54:55 <crashanddie> ~itt
Jul 14 22:54:57 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums )
Jul 14 22:55:02 <V13> er.. where exactly ?
Jul 14 22:56:19 <crashanddie> rm_you, apparently, GA is sick of me ranting/bragging about my internet connection :P
Jul 14 22:56:20 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, poke.
Jul 14 22:56:25 <rm_you> GAN800: why are the police there? confiscating your hard drives? :P
Jul 14 22:56:33 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 22:56:40 <V13> crashanddie: in what forum ?
Jul 14 22:56:44 <V13> which
Jul 14 22:56:53 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, neighbor's got a parole violation thing going, I think.
Jul 14 22:57:15 <crashanddie> what GA doesn't understand, is that I'm pretty depressed, because I'm moving to the UK, and I'll be happy to have dial up access for the first few months
Jul 14 22:57:27 <GeneralAntilles> Aw, poor crashanddie.
Jul 14 22:57:38 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 14 22:57:41 <rm_you> to the UK from where
Jul 14 22:57:42 <andre____> GeneralAntilles, hrmpf?
Jul 14 22:57:55 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, you got a few minutes to discuss the Garage tracking?
Jul 14 22:58:10 <crashanddie> V13, in General I guess
Jul 14 22:58:35 <andre____> GeneralAntilles, i just finished triaging all incoming bugs and just want to sleep. would prefer tomorrow
Jul 14 22:58:42 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 14 22:58:47 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds good. ;)
Jul 14 22:58:50 <GeneralAntilles> Sleep well. :)
Jul 14 22:59:03 <crashanddie> andre____, 'night man
Jul 14 22:59:49 <crashanddie> rm_you, france
Jul 14 22:59:56 * GeneralAntilles really wants a /maemo.org/official-team-pesterer mask.
Jul 14 23:00:25 * crashanddie gives GA a Scream (c) mask
Jul 14 23:00:46 <rm_you> lol
Jul 14 23:00:48 <rm_you> crashanddie: ah
Jul 14 23:00:56 <rm_you> I would be excited about moving to the UK :P
Jul 14 23:00:59 <rm_you> except maybe taxes
Jul 14 23:01:09 <rm_you> the British do love their taxes
Jul 14 23:01:25 <crashanddie> I'll try to evade them as long as possible, don't worry
Jul 14 23:01:25 <Atarii770> lol
Jul 14 23:01:39 <rm_you> whatev, US economy is going bleh, I want to be paid in Euros / Pounds :P
Jul 14 23:01:56 <rm_you> also, I love saying things like "Hey, you got 5 quid?"
Jul 14 23:02:01 <rm_you> quid is awesome :P
Jul 14 23:02:08 <derf> Pounds won't be far behind.
Jul 14 23:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Jul 14 23:02:18 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, likes being watched by cameras.
Jul 14 23:02:20 <derf> The UK's economy is headed the exact same place as the US's.
Jul 14 23:02:23 <wiza> argh, BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed, input/output error
Jul 14 23:02:24 <rm_you> heh, don't mind it :P
Jul 14 23:02:34 <crashanddie> rm_you, how much do you get paid now ?
Jul 14 23:02:37 <rm_you> derf: :/
Jul 14 23:02:49 <rm_you> crashanddie: well, not much :P as I don't really have a job <---- student
Jul 14 23:02:55 <crashanddie> heh
Jul 14 23:03:09 <rm_you> crashanddie: when I do work during the school year, I get paid $10 US to sit in a room and tell people to call Dell, we don't work on hardware
Jul 14 23:03:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 14 23:03:20 <rm_you> or else configure wireless connections while playing flash games
Jul 14 23:03:37 <crashanddie> rm_you, hah...
Jul 14 23:03:44 <crashanddie> rm_you, exactly what I thought
Jul 14 23:04:00 <crashanddie> rm_you, you know, you would only get a pound if you were paid $100 :P
Jul 14 23:04:00 <derf> rm_you: You might want to consider staying in school a few more years.
Jul 14 23:04:05 <rm_you> alternatively, the other company I work for just gives me a new $2000 tabletPC for part time coding <_<
Jul 14 23:04:05 <derf> Maybe go to grad school.
Jul 14 23:04:14 <andre____> timeless, hmm. now do i forward your four tinymail bugs to the internal one or not? sigh
Jul 14 23:04:18 <rm_you> derf: heh, I dont think grad school is for me >_>
Jul 14 23:04:58 <rm_you> crashanddie: lol? >_>
Jul 14 23:05:18 <crashanddie> btw, wanted to check something
Jul 14 23:05:31 <crashanddie> Here in France, we're getting images of people sleeping in front of their banks to get their money
Jul 14 23:05:42 <crashanddie> Is the recession that bad ? :D
Jul 14 23:05:48 <rm_you> derf: I'll be done in a year and then out into the workforce as a code-monkey in a cubicle :P
Jul 14 23:06:02 <rm_you> lol no
Jul 14 23:06:06 <penguinbait> hahah, uh no
Jul 14 23:06:07 <rm_you> no one really notices
Jul 14 23:06:19 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, why does Modest/tinymail even have an internal tracker? <_<
Jul 14 23:06:30 <crashanddie> The world is spinning on its head...
Jul 14 23:06:42 <crashanddie> The French are going to make a movie about the US... "The Great Depression: Reloaded"
Jul 14 23:06:47 <andre____> yeah
Jul 14 23:06:49 <rm_you> heh
Jul 14 23:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, I'm of the opining that all open-source components should be required to do their bug tracking in Bugzilla.
Jul 14 23:07:43 * RST38h silently moving The French two places up the target list
Jul 14 23:08:00 <crashanddie> RST38h, I'll give you a nuke, and GPS coordinates
Jul 14 23:08:18 <RST38h> yea, I know you will...
Jul 14 23:08:31 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, check those on Google Local before you launch. :D
Jul 14 23:08:41 <crashanddie> hahahahaha :D
Jul 14 23:08:49 <rm_you> heh
Jul 14 23:08:53 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, on the subject of GPS
Jul 14 23:09:00 <GeneralAntilles> Has anybody done any rundown tests with the N810 using GPS?
Jul 14 23:09:06 <GeneralAntilles> I'm wondering how much GPS impacts its idle times.
Jul 14 23:09:07 <crashanddie> rundown ?
Jul 14 23:09:12 <RST38h> crash: Seriously though, some leftie French guy is going to shoot a movie based on Carrion Comfort
Jul 14 23:09:14 <rm_you> they stole my blood today >_>
Jul 14 23:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, battery life tests.
Jul 14 23:09:42 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, oh, it's awful
Jul 14 23:09:46 <GeneralAntilles> Oh really?
Jul 14 23:09:48 <GeneralAntilles> That sucks.
Jul 14 23:10:00 <GeneralAntilles> Is that just tracking or with a real mapping application in use?
Jul 14 23:10:08 <crashanddie> real mapping
Jul 14 23:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just thinking with gpsd active.
Jul 14 23:10:20 <crashanddie> Haven't tried that
Jul 14 23:10:32 <GeneralAntilles> For the purposes of GeoClue type stuff.
Jul 14 23:10:37 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, I'll load my n810 full battery tonight
Jul 14 23:10:38 <RST38h> crash: THAT ought to be delicious
Jul 14 23:10:54 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, and tomorrow morning I'll start gpsd, without any other software running (no wifi either)
Jul 14 23:10:58 <Edgester> I've got a deb build error that I'm hoping someone can help me with. It's 5 lines long. Should I post in channel or pastebin?
Jul 14 23:11:03 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, I'll see how long it holds up
Jul 14 23:11:11 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, thanks! :D
Jul 14 23:11:19 <derf> GeneralAntilles: With maemo mapper running, an external BT GPS, and the screen off 99% of the time, I got about 13 hours.
Jul 14 23:11:26 <crashanddie> Edgester, always pastebin, rather, always slexy.org !
Jul 14 23:11:30 <derf> Just for reference (wifi also disabled).
Jul 14 23:11:56 <V13> bye guys!
Jul 14 23:12:23 <Edgester> crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s23pI2t1gT
Jul 14 23:12:25 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, yeah, on defense of the n810, the screen was fully lit the whole time (in full sun), with navigation and everything
Jul 14 23:12:50 <mikedep333> hello everyone
Jul 14 23:13:00 <mikedep333> I was out of commission as I lost my charger for my n800
Jul 14 23:13:21 <mikedep333> and I ordered two chinese ones off ebay that were supposed to be compatible
Jul 14 23:13:23 <mikedep333> they weren't
Jul 14 23:13:35 <Edgester> "FAKEROOTKEY not defined in environment" is the weirdest error in that list
Jul 14 23:13:36 <mikedep333> I ended up just buying a real one from techforless.com
Jul 14 23:13:53 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, didn't you talk about a FAKEROOTKEY error earlier ?
Jul 14 23:13:53 <mikedep333> now I need to decide whether or not to uprade to diable
Jul 14 23:14:14 <mikedep333> will chinook apps (or at least the majority of them) work on diablo?
Jul 14 23:14:20 <crashanddie> mikedep333, yes
Jul 14 23:14:27 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, not me.
Jul 14 23:14:33 <GeneralAntilles> SDK questions aren't my domain.
Jul 14 23:14:50 <mikedep333> the majority of them?
Jul 14 23:14:54 <mikedep333> or all of them?
Jul 14 23:15:01 <crashanddie> mikedep333, all, nearly (haven't found one that didn't)
Jul 14 23:15:07 <mikedep333> great
Jul 14 23:15:31 <mikedep333> how will I go about updating my SD card install (I'm using the manual boot menu solution to the ext2 partition)
Jul 14 23:15:34 <mikedep333> ?
Jul 14 23:16:03 <Edgester> GeneralAntilles: who should I ask?
Jul 14 23:16:18 <GeneralAntilles> Edgester, the channel, if somebody knows, they'll say. ;)
Jul 14 23:17:13 <Edgester> to the channel: can anyone help me with the following error: "libfakeroot: FAKEROOTKEY not defined in environment"
Jul 14 23:17:21 <mikedep333> oh, wait
Jul 14 23:17:30 <mikedep333> you have to flash
Jul 14 23:17:38 <mikedep333> so I can't do an update the easy way
Jul 14 23:17:48 <mikedep333> but how do I get a new install on an sd card?
Jul 14 23:18:26 <crashanddie> but like I said, I haven't tested them *all* so take this cum grano saltis
Jul 14 23:18:48 <Edgester> on a different note, is there any explanation of the bootstrap process for the n8x0? I'm curious what bootloader is used and how it works?
Jul 14 23:19:53 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, the only major library change was libssl
Jul 14 23:19:57 <GeneralAntilles> so 99% of stuff will work.
Jul 14 23:20:50 <mikedep333> awesome
Jul 14 23:20:58 <mikedep333> how do I get it on my sd card?
Jul 14 23:21:08 <GeneralAntilles> Flash it to the flash
Jul 14 23:21:10 <GeneralAntilles> set it up
Jul 14 23:21:26 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jul 14 23:21:33 <GeneralAntilles> Same process as before.
Jul 14 23:21:43 <mikedep333> ok, great
Jul 14 23:21:45 <GeneralAntilles> ~boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jul 14 23:21:46 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: okay
Jul 14 23:22:18 <crashanddie> Edgester, faked --debug --foreground
Jul 14 23:22:42 <crashanddie> Edgester, http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/0.9.8/doc/devicetools.html
Jul 14 23:23:00 <crashanddie> Edgester, search for fakerootkey in that page
Jul 14 23:24:26 <RST38h> sleep.
Jul 14 23:26:57 <mouser-> I'm having some difficulties with using a flash drive or keyboard with a USB f-f adapter.  I don't have any dmesg messages when I connect it, but I have some when trying to change mode with usbcontrol and refreshing in usbcontrol.  See http://pastebin.com/d6b898168 and http://pastebin.com/m10973c1f
Jul 14 23:27:12 <mouser-> ...for dmesg messages
Jul 14 23:41:19 <penguinbait> http://www.eontarionow.com/health/2008/07/14/prostate-cancer-drug-can-prevent-bone-loss/
Jul 14 23:41:40 <penguinbait> is it just me, ornis that picture disturbing?
Jul 14 23:42:02 <penguinbait> s/ornis/or is/
Jul 14 23:42:04 <infobot> penguinbait meant: is it just me, or is that picture disturbing?
Jul 14 23:42:52 <GeneralAntilles> Because you wish you had one of those to keep on your mantle? :P
Jul 14 23:43:52 <penguinbait> thats just wierd
Jul 14 23:44:13 <penguinbait> hey GA, you going to Berlin?
Jul 14 23:44:31 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, still up in the air on a family reunion that's either that weekend on the next
Jul 14 23:44:49 <GeneralAntilles> and don't want to take up a sponsorship slot with a $1700 plane ticket until I'm sure I can go. :<
Jul 14 23:44:54 <GeneralAntilles> Which wont be in time to get sponsorship
Jul 14 23:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> So, next one. ;)
Jul 14 23:45:02 <penguinbait> me too
Jul 14 23:45:17 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully it'll be state-side.
Jul 14 23:45:25 <penguinbait> vegas?
Jul 14 23:45:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 14 23:45:30 <GeneralAntilles> That'd be fun.
Jul 14 23:45:32 <penguinbait> Honolulu?
Jul 14 23:45:34 <penguinbait> hehe
Jul 14 23:45:35 <mikedep333> is there a list of what's new in diablo somewhere?
Jul 14 23:45:55 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, change log? Ahahaha
Jul 14 23:46:00 <GeneralAntilles> Hang on, I've got a decent list
Jul 14 23:46:04 <mikedep333> like a condensed one?
Jul 14 23:46:04 <GeneralAntilles> Just gotta generate the search real quick
Jul 14 23:46:43 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
Jul 14 23:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&target_milestone=4.1&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
Jul 14 23:47:56 <penguinbait> seems like with the dollar being so shitty, it would be economical to do it in the US
Jul 14 23:48:18 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jul 14 23:48:56 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, did you get my last two messages?
Jul 14 23:49:13 <mikedep333> the maemo.org announcement
Jul 14 23:49:19 <GeneralAntilles> penguinbait, it might be close to evening out once you factor in the expensive plane tickets for the Europeans
Jul 14 23:49:20 <mikedep333> and the bug fix list
Jul 14 23:49:24 <GeneralAntilles> OK, good.
Jul 14 23:49:48 <penguinbait> http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/07/12/debakey-obit.html
Jul 14 23:50:07 <penguinbait> ok grandpa simpson, or yoda?
Jul 14 23:50:40 <mikedep333> yeah, I love the improved panning in microb
Jul 14 23:50:43 <GeneralAntilles> Yoda.
Jul 14 23:50:48 <mikedep333> the slowness of it was a big complaint
Jul 14 23:50:51 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, it's even better in svn.
Jul 14 23:51:21 <mikedep333> cool
Jul 14 23:52:51 <GeneralAntilles> mikedep333, Navi compiled an older svn for Chinook
Jul 14 23:52:58 <GeneralAntilles> doesn't work with Diablo's new setup
Jul 14 23:53:03 <GeneralAntilles> but scrolling was like butter.
Jul 14 23:56:25 <mikedep333> yeah, cool
Jul 14 23:56:56 <GeneralAntilles> Still waiting on a new svn from Diablo
Jul 14 23:57:01 <GeneralAntilles> s/from/for/
Jul 14 23:57:02 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Still waiting on a new svn for Diablo
Jul 14 23:58:37 <penguinbait> qgil "What I'm actually surprised is about the lack of sponsorship requests coming from the rest of core contributors. Specially those flying from outside Europe"
Jul 14 23:58:58 <penguinbait> doesn't seem that surprising to me?
Jul 14 23:59:30 <GeneralAntilles> We're too polite. :D
Jul 15 00:00:03 * GeneralAntilles kills himself. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203011#post203011
Jul 15 00:00:11 * GeneralAntilles hunkers down for another iPhone thread.
Jul 15 00:13:37 <draco_> Is there any change log for diablo
Jul 15 00:14:05 <mouser-> Yeah, sort of, one second, draco_
Jul 15 00:14:10 <GeneralAntilles> Hahaha
Jul 15 00:14:19 <GeneralAntilles> draco_, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&target_milestone=4.1&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED
Jul 15 00:14:24 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
Jul 15 00:14:34 <GeneralAntilles> draco_, somebody just asked that exact question 5 minutes ago.
Jul 15 00:15:33 <draco_> Why dont you put it on topic with tinyurl link?
Jul 15 00:15:41 <GeneralAntilles> Because the topic is big enough
Jul 15 00:15:51 <GeneralAntilles> and it's not really all that useful
Jul 15 00:16:10 <mouser-> Also here, draco_: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html
Jul 15 00:16:12 <draco_> Eh
Jul 15 00:17:25 <draco_> Btw is there any gtk+ patch that makes scrollbars usable forf left handed?
Jul 15 00:17:50 <GeneralAntilles> draco_, there was a thread, like, 8 hours ago on internettablettalk.com
Jul 15 00:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> It'll come up in search for "lefties"
Jul 15 00:18:16 <draco_> If not it would be my first hacking experience for maemo
Jul 15 00:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> It's really easy for the browser
Jul 15 00:18:33 <GeneralAntilles> other stuff is a little more involved.
Jul 15 00:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Layout.scrollbar.side
Jul 15 00:19:26 <GeneralAntilles> ~diablo-changelog Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr
Jul 15 00:19:31 <GeneralAntilles> ~diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr
Jul 15 00:19:32 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: okay
Jul 15 00:20:12 <draco_> A generic gtk patch would do it, doesn't it?
Jul 15 00:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=202646#post202646
Jul 15 00:21:34 <draco_> I'll check it out thanks
Jul 15 00:24:59 <rm_you> So, to anyone who actually speaks French fluently: which makes more sense to you: "Avis aux utilisateurs N800!", "Utilisateurs de N800: méfiance!", "Utilisateurs de N800 Attention!", or "N800 utilisateurs méfiez-vous!"?
Jul 15 00:25:18 <rm_you> the original English being "N800 users beware!:
Jul 15 00:25:20 <rm_you> the original English being "N800 users beware!"
Jul 15 00:36:51 <crashanddie> rm_you, first one
Jul 15 00:37:07 <rm_you> k
Jul 15 00:37:20 <rm_you> everyone keeps wanting to change it
Jul 15 00:37:24 <crashanddie> rm_you, what's the whole sentence though ?
Jul 15 00:37:30 <rm_you> that is the whole sentences
Jul 15 00:37:34 <crashanddie> and where do you want to change it ?
Jul 15 00:37:42 <crashanddie> rm_you, yeah, but what's the context ?
Jul 15 00:38:13 <crashanddie> rm_you, "N800 users beware the lochness monster will eat you if you don't have your afternoon tea"
Jul 15 00:38:26 <rm_you> something like that
Jul 15 00:38:43 <crashanddie> prenez garde
Jul 15 00:39:00 <crashanddie> "Avis aux utilisateurs des n800: Prenez garde!"
Jul 15 00:39:14 <jga23> anybody know of a subversion client that will work with diablo?
Jul 15 00:39:56 <crashanddie> rm_you, take that last one
Jul 15 00:40:18 <rm_you> lol
Jul 15 00:40:33 <crashanddie> rm_you, link ?
Jul 15 00:40:35 <Edgester> crashanddie: thanks for the FAKEROOTKEY tip, but it the build still compains with the same error :(
Jul 15 00:40:55 <crashanddie> Edgester, I've no clue really, was just a google answer
Jul 15 00:41:52 <secureendpoints> Why would there be a fetching of an ACL?   I already told you, when the cache manager obtained the AFSFetchStatus structure for the file, it received the CallerAccess and AnonymousAccess values.  Those are the values checked in src/afs/VNOPS/afs_vnop_access.c  afs_GetAccessBits()
Jul 15 00:42:19 <crashanddie> secureendpoints, right, that makes sense now
Jul 15 00:42:27 <secureendpoints> oops, wrong window
Jul 15 00:50:22 <rm_you> :P
Jul 15 00:50:23 <Zetx> rm_you: why?
Jul 15 00:50:38 <rm_you> cuz you have an n800, so why not?
Jul 15 00:50:43 <Zetx> lol true
Jul 15 00:51:06 <Zetx> i keep forgetting to upgrade to diablo (is the final out or whatever?)
Jul 15 00:51:35 <rm_you> yes
Jul 15 00:51:39 <rm_you> you should flash now
Jul 15 00:51:44 <Zetx> yeah
Jul 15 00:51:44 <rm_you> and then put your root on SD
Jul 15 00:51:51 <rm_you> what SD card you have
Jul 15 00:52:15 <Zetx> a 4gb sandisk and the default... whatever
Jul 15 00:52:19 <rm_you> heh
Jul 15 00:52:32 <rm_you> is it 128mb?
Jul 15 00:52:39 <rm_you> i think you can fit root on that? >_>
Jul 15 00:52:47 <rm_you> kinda lame tho
Jul 15 00:53:06 <rm_you> lol no, my root is 643 mb
Jul 15 00:53:12 <rm_you> i wonder what i have thats using all that space
Jul 15 00:53:22 <Zetx> yeah, 128
Jul 15 00:53:43 <Zetx> i'll get a card when i get some ram for the thinkpad...
Jul 15 00:53:46 <Zetx> once i order it all
Jul 15 00:54:17 <Zetx> and a bluetooth keyboard
Jul 15 00:54:17 <Zetx> man
Jul 15 00:55:23 <rm_you> heh
Jul 15 00:55:36 <rm_you> what job you got? what ya making?
Jul 15 00:55:45 <rm_you> that's very expensive >_>
Jul 15 00:55:59 <Zetx> yeah :|
Jul 15 00:56:40 <GeneralAntilles> jga23, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/s/subversion/
Jul 15 00:57:43 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 15 01:01:17 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm
Jul 15 01:01:25 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't had a fast food burger in forever.
Jul 15 01:02:32 <rm_you> i had one like, yesterday
Jul 15 01:02:33 <rm_you> overrated
Jul 15 01:02:41 <GeneralAntilles> Of course
Jul 15 01:02:52 <GeneralAntilles> but they're good when you eat 'em once every 2-3 months.
Jul 15 01:03:33 <rm_you> not really >_<
Jul 15 01:03:51 * rm_you had one for the first time in over a year, and thought it was bleh
Jul 15 01:03:59 <rm_you> though that was McDonalds, so bleh
Jul 15 01:04:04 <GeneralAntilles> Oh pfft
Jul 15 01:04:09 <GeneralAntilles> McDonalds is the worst.
Jul 15 01:04:10 <rm_you> IIRC, Jack in the Box is good
Jul 15 01:04:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yes it is.
Jul 15 01:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> One of the best
Jul 15 01:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> I like Wendy's, too.
Jul 15 01:05:58 <derf> Screw that, it's all about Five Guys.
Jul 15 01:06:42 <rm_you> dont think i've had a wendy's burner in 10+ years
Jul 15 01:06:45 <rm_you> possibly ever
Jul 15 01:06:52 <rm_you> i dont think I've ever GONE to a wendys
Jul 15 01:07:05 <GeneralAntilles> Wendy's has great everything
Jul 15 01:07:18 <rm_you> it would have been dinner picked up by my parents when i was like 10 or younger
Jul 15 01:07:29 <GeneralAntilles> You get Chick-fil-A up there?
Jul 15 01:07:34 <rm_you> no but in TX
Jul 15 01:07:38 <rm_you> it is delicious
Jul 15 01:07:41 <rm_you> though overpriced
Jul 15 01:07:45 <rm_you> and closed on Sunday is BS
Jul 15 01:07:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 15 01:08:01 <rm_you> fscking religious southern states
Jul 15 01:08:27 <GeneralAntilles> I used to go there every morning at 5 AM before school.
Jul 15 01:08:39 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 15 01:08:41 <rm_you> so expensive
Jul 15 01:08:50 <rm_you> it's like, 3x as expensive as other fast food
Jul 15 01:09:02 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, lower percentage of the meal is grease. ;)
Jul 15 01:09:04 <GeneralAntilles> It works out.
Jul 15 01:09:24 <rm_you> heh
Jul 15 01:10:45 <jga23> GeneralAntilles: I tried to install that, but its missing libssl, should I just install that from chinook as well?
Jul 15 01:11:04 <GeneralAntilles> jga23, you could do that, or maybe play with the control file
Jul 15 01:11:19 <GeneralAntilles> There shouldn't be anything different enough about .98 to warrant needing .97
Jul 15 01:18:52 <yerga> bahh, diablo extras isn't going updated from more than 15 hours, will be it a bug?
Jul 15 01:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, rootsh was added this morning and seems to be in there now.
Jul 15 01:24:51 <yerga> yes, the .debs are there
Jul 15 01:24:59 <yerga> but the packages file isn't updated
Jul 15 01:25:10 <GeneralAntilles> rootsh is in the Packages now
Jul 15 01:25:20 <GeneralAntilles> It took a while, though. . . .
Jul 15 01:27:01 <yerga> it could be problem mine
Jul 15 01:27:24 <yerga> I don't find rootsh in the packages
Jul 15 01:27:33 <yerga> not apt-get
Jul 15 01:28:19 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, I lied.
Jul 15 01:28:26 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extras-devel packages, but not Extras.
Jul 15 01:28:52 <yerga> ok, extras-devel is fine
Jul 15 01:29:36 <GeneralAntilles> I guess file a bug and maybe assign it to X-Fade.
Jul 15 01:42:06 <jga23> GeneralAntilles: you mean just grab the source and change the control file before the deb is created?
Jul 15 01:48:12 <xnt> hello how do i access the status led on the nokia n810 via a /dev file? im trying to write a shell script & i want to access the led.
Jul 15 01:53:04 <xnt> is it something like echo 1 > /dev/led0 ?
Jul 15 01:54:06 <yerga> xnt, you need to do it with dbus
Jul 15 01:54:15 <yerga> but I can't help you very much
Jul 15 01:54:28 <yerga> because I really don't know
Jul 15 01:54:29 <xnt> oh ok
Jul 15 01:54:38 <GeneralAntilles> jga23, that, or unpack and repack it
Jul 15 01:55:06 <GeneralAntilles> xnt, jott has a little python application up somewhere that demonstrates it.
Jul 15 01:55:17 <xnt> i see something in /sys/devices/system/leds0
Jul 15 01:55:23 <xnt> oh
Jul 15 01:55:26 <GeneralAntilles> http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py
Jul 15 01:55:32 <xnt> thanks
Jul 15 02:06:05 <yerga> GeneralAntilles, please assigne to Niels: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3453
Jul 15 02:06:14 <yerga> I haven't editbugs yet
Jul 15 02:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> Done, thanks yerga.
Jul 15 02:11:04 <yerga> thanks to you ;)
Jul 15 02:21:56 <GeneralAntilles> yerga, if you're not ready for editbugs, you should at least get canconfirm. ;)
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