**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 16 02:59:56 2008 Jul 16 03:03:08 Is e2fsprogs in bora extra repository? Jul 16 03:03:54 * Diablo's extra Jul 16 03:10:07 hey, I'm trying to get canola2 to run on diablo. What arguments do I use with canola-cleaner (or canola-cleanup-launcher? Jul 16 03:40:49 mikedep333: what problems are you having with canola2? Jul 16 03:46:23 lcuk_zzz: >_> damn, missed you Jul 16 03:46:35 rm_you, are you just getting up to? Jul 16 03:46:39 Ino Jul 16 03:46:44 i woke up at 6:30 am here Jul 16 03:46:49 it is 8:46 now Jul 16 03:46:51 p, Jul 16 03:46:54 *pm obviously Jul 16 03:47:03 O_o Jul 16 03:47:04 been on most of the day Jul 16 03:47:06 but went to costco Jul 16 03:47:25 i came up with one solution to the -unlocked issue Jul 16 03:47:49 need opinions tho, it works very smoothly but breaks all sorts of packaging rules Jul 16 03:49:58 rm_you, what's it do? Jul 16 03:50:07 IE, you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb Jul 16 03:50:31 and it works very nicely, but GAH Jul 16 03:50:34 such a hack Jul 16 03:50:41 installing extra packages in the background Jul 16 03:50:48 and has to wait for any package manager to close Jul 16 03:50:54 eer...why can't you just "Provide" osso-software-version-rx34 and rx44 Jul 16 03:51:03 because that doesnt solve the issue Jul 16 03:51:10 THOSE packages are not needed by anything Jul 16 03:51:15 they just have a bunch of their own deps Jul 16 03:51:29 meta-packages Jul 16 03:51:39 to keep the default software in a sane state Jul 16 03:52:00 ok, let me think about this, but I'm gonna make coffee first Jul 16 03:52:04 k Jul 16 03:52:22 i wanted lcuk or lardman or one of the people who like... have this problem, to be on Jul 16 03:53:02 and why exactly do you need "unlocked"? because it doesn't depend on set version numbers? Jul 16 03:53:19 yes Jul 16 03:53:24 so what this does Jul 16 03:53:38 is let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support Jul 16 03:53:43 to a higher version Jul 16 03:54:05 and you tried doing on 'or' depend on unlocked-rx34 and rx44? Jul 16 03:54:06 and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" Jul 16 03:54:18 so it pulls in that, which kicks out the locked one, and puts back the -unlocked Jul 16 03:54:28 see, the problem with that is Jul 16 03:54:30 it isn't smooth Jul 16 03:54:41 it will go "error! cannot install, depends on X or Y" Jul 16 03:54:50 because it doesnt have the intelligence necessary to choose Jul 16 03:55:10 because app manager is kind of a lame apt frontend I guess... Jul 16 03:55:28 and since technically the osso-software-version packages are never in "depends", they only block installs, it is ok to remove one during the install and put it back after Jul 16 03:55:35 even apt can't do it Jul 16 03:55:44 i mean Jul 16 03:55:55 we could write a fscking PATCH for apt maybe, but that would be SUCH a hack Jul 16 03:56:07 i mean, i KNOW i could write a patch for apt Jul 16 03:56:12 cause they already did it Jul 16 03:56:19 to do sort of the same thing Jul 16 03:56:23 wait, why can't apt satisfy an | depend? Jul 16 03:56:36 because the two packages are exactly the same Jul 16 03:56:47 it should just pick the first then Jul 16 03:56:50 osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked Jul 16 03:56:52 osso-software-version-rx344-unlocked Jul 16 03:56:54 err Jul 16 03:56:57 osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Jul 16 03:57:00 that would be bad Jul 16 03:57:09 cause then on n810 you would get rx34-unlocked Jul 16 03:57:23 but it has no idea what the logic is for that Jul 16 03:57:29 right, but what I'm wondering is why it isn't behaving like normal apt Jul 16 03:57:36 ... Jul 16 03:57:39 normal apt doesnt do that either Jul 16 03:57:48 with an | depend? Jul 16 03:57:54 it just picks whatever is a available Jul 16 03:58:04 if there are multiple packages that satisfy a dependency, it says "woah, here are your options, i'm bailing" Jul 16 03:58:13 uhm, no? Jul 16 03:58:14 it's happened to me within the last week in Sid Jul 16 03:58:39 that's when i became acutely aware of why people were complaining Jul 16 03:59:53 apt would need to know that "oh, on this hardware, we need the rx34 package, but on this hardware we need the rx44 package" Jul 16 04:00:05 I should write up the patch and submit it upstream really... Jul 16 04:00:09 rm_you, figure out the unlocked? Jul 16 04:00:19 since they apparently are perfectly fine with hacking up apt for proprietary stuff Jul 16 04:00:22 GAN800: sort of Jul 16 04:00:38 you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb Jul 16 04:01:04 it let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support to a higher version and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" Jul 16 04:01:05 rm_you, that is a *scary* hack with a huge potential to go wrong Jul 16 04:01:11 yes i knpw Jul 16 04:01:12 though Jul 16 04:01:19 on the bright side, the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME Jul 16 04:01:26 is that the unlocked package doesnt get pulled in Jul 16 04:01:32 yeah, there is that Jul 16 04:01:40 for which the solution is.... do it manually Jul 16 04:01:45 or run "enable-unlocked" Jul 16 04:01:49 which is the script i use Jul 16 04:01:55 and stays in /usr/bin/ Jul 16 04:02:03 rm_you, actually, I'm not so sure that making it easy is the best idea Jul 16 04:02:04 also, disable-unlocked >_> Jul 16 04:02:15 johnx: yes, there are arguments on either side Jul 16 04:02:20 For rotation? I'd say it is. Jul 16 04:02:34 GAN800: anyway, i tested it, works great here... i put a modified rotation package and that package in my own repo Jul 16 04:02:41 added it to apt, apt-get update, etc Jul 16 04:02:48 then apt-get install xserver-xomap Jul 16 04:02:50 GAN800, for enabling the replacement of core libs with 3rd party stuff? I'd have to disagree Jul 16 04:03:01 and it pulled in the higher version with the osso-software-version-unlocked Jul 16 04:03:05 and everything was dandy Jul 16 04:03:22 rm_you, can you just tell people: N800 users, click _here_ , N810 users click _here_ Jul 16 04:03:22 sec i will do the operation again and pastebin the apt interaction Jul 16 04:03:32 johnx: don't think so? Jul 16 04:03:34 do this install to unlock *THEN* install the rotation package Jul 16 04:03:36 >_> Jul 16 04:03:40 oh Jul 16 04:03:42 well yeah Jul 16 04:03:44 but... Jul 16 04:03:46 hey, a while ago I said: Jul 16 04:03:46 hey, I'm trying to get canola2 to run on diablo. What arguments do I use with canola-cleaner (or canola-cleanup-launcher? Jul 16 04:03:52 i am putting together a package called "rotation-support" Jul 16 04:03:57 yigal: my problem is that the videos doesn't show up in the main menu Jul 16 04:04:01 which is, hopefully, a ONE CLICK Jul 16 04:04:08 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21820 Jul 16 04:04:11 mikedep333: why are you using canola cleaner? Jul 16 04:04:24 mikedep333: i think you need to go to settings first and set up watched video directories, and then do a scan Jul 16 04:04:40 mikedep333: i believe canola-cleaner is designed to REMOVE canola (i thought) Jul 16 04:04:46 rm_you:I have youtube plugin installed Jul 16 04:04:48 oh Jul 16 04:04:59 and I have one video in a watched directory Jul 16 04:05:07 the default OS 2008 one I think Jul 16 04:05:11 you may want to just do "dpkg --purge canola*" Jul 16 04:05:18 good idea, thanks Jul 16 04:05:22 and reinstall it all Jul 16 04:05:33 rm_you, I know...but I agree with Nokia that I think it's important for people to realize "gee, I'm replacing core libraries with other stuff, maybe if I have no idea what I'm doing this isn't the best idea" Jul 16 04:05:35 GAN800: anyway, your thoughts? Jul 16 04:06:15 It doesn't bother me for the rotation stuff Jul 16 04:06:15 johnx: yes, but annoying as heck for developers who are trying to make cool stuff available for users that are like "this is so confusing WTF please just let me click something so i can rotate!" Jul 16 04:06:22 it doesn't like canola* Jul 16 04:06:32 everybody installs it without knowing what it is anyway. Jul 16 04:06:37 mikedep333: you probably have something that matches that regexp in the current directory Jul 16 04:06:37 how do I list all the canola packages so I can use dpkg --purge with them? Jul 16 04:06:37 try Jul 16 04:06:46 dpkg --purge "canola*" Jul 16 04:06:48 with the quotes Jul 16 04:06:53 ok Jul 16 04:07:11 no luck Jul 16 04:07:55 with the dpkg command? Jul 16 04:07:57 hrm Jul 16 04:08:04 nm Jul 16 04:08:08 I used dpkg --list Jul 16 04:08:13 I wil specify them manually Jul 16 04:09:56 wait Jul 16 04:09:59 johnx, for certain things I'd agree, but for rotation support, well, how many people have had real issues with it? Jul 16 04:10:14 is there a way to dpkg --purge canola2 (and have it remove everything that depends on it?) Jul 16 04:10:20 well,t he problem is, once you opent he door for that Jul 16 04:11:01 wow, having issues with my spacebar Jul 16 04:11:03 Meh, I think packagers are generally responsible enough. Jul 16 04:11:23 what's the procedure on a real distro? Jul 16 04:11:25 GAN800, but unlocking doesn't just apply to rotation support Jul 16 04:12:13 GAN800, they don't have set version depends. but they also don't have much need for 3rd party repos Jul 16 04:14:01 Well, people providing and using 3rd party repos should experience negative effects. Jul 16 04:14:10 ;) Jul 16 04:14:52 yeah, but ubuntu tends not to reboot-loop and if all else fails you can pull your hard drive and read it on a different computer or boot from CD Jul 16 04:15:07 the embedded world is a little different, and OS200x is a fragile distro Jul 16 04:15:30 yeah Jul 16 04:15:41 i sort of see that being bad... Jul 16 04:16:00 because once you install unlocked for rotation, the next time they update, EVERYTHING unlocked will get pulled in Jul 16 04:16:26 everyone just needs a "Step 0: You need to unlock. Click here for the explanation, then click here for N800 or here for N810" Jul 16 04:16:37 everyone can cut and paste the same line in their instructions Jul 16 04:16:44 hell, we could make a wiki page about it Jul 16 04:16:49 I'll even write it Jul 16 04:17:10 but i think the point is that anyone that installs my package or any package that requires it, WANTS that package, and will be unlocked anyway, we may as well make it easy Jul 16 04:17:22 its not like we're making it install stealthily on every random package Jul 16 04:17:35 only the ones that REALLY require unlocked Jul 16 04:18:32 sometimes an explicit step is enough to make people realize "maybe this is out of my depth" Jul 16 04:18:36 so if we figure, user A wants to install rotation support, user A will try to install it on apt, it won't work due to locked, they'll spend 20 minutes on IRC or forums, find out how to fix it, and unlock manually Jul 16 04:18:40 or we may as well just do it for them Jul 16 04:18:45 well Jul 16 04:18:53 most users won't care Jul 16 04:19:05 it's one line of text at the top of each post...not that hard Jul 16 04:19:27 i know when i was in that stage, i was less likely to actually read those dialogs than i am now that i actually know what's going on and really MEAN "yes go ahead" Jul 16 04:19:50 but we dont want it to need to be a post, we want it to be "apt-get install rotation-support" and be done Jul 16 04:20:59 i agree there are some issues, and that the way it is done is *JUST PLAIN WRONG* from a debian packaging point of view (I think a hardcore debian packager would strangle me to death while having a heart attack) Jul 16 04:21:07 but i think in the end, it is what needs to be done Jul 16 04:21:10 unless someone hacks apt Jul 16 04:21:14 which, like i said, i may just do :P Jul 16 04:22:54 mmm Jul 16 04:22:57 apt-get source apt Jul 16 04:22:58 I see your point, but I think most people find apps on itt or downloads.maemo.org where there is some way to tell them, you have to unlock first, click here: Jul 16 04:23:06 <_< Jul 16 04:23:22 and they don't use apt anyways, they click install files Jul 16 04:23:41 i still think 100% of the users who want any of the packages that would auto-install it WOULD manually install it anyway and be slightly annoyed at the requirement Jul 16 04:23:41 adding one more click won't kill them and it makes it clear that unlocking is an explicit choice Jul 16 04:24:11 and by doing that they explicitly accept the problems it may cause Jul 16 04:24:40 or we just say you explicitly accept the consequences for this next to the link for the package that includes it :P Jul 16 04:24:52 and multiple dialog in pre-install script package ? Jul 16 04:25:14 off-topic thought: i'm thinking if I do go to the summit, I can do a lightning panel on "Getting Involved: Everyone is an Asset" Jul 16 04:25:33 rm_you, but the point is to make them realize "hey this is something different, maybe my problem is with this "unlocked" thing, not something rotation support did" Jul 16 04:25:51 on how anyone, anywhere, with any amount of knowledge, can get involved in helping with maemo tasks Jul 16 04:26:44 and give morale boosting examples based on my own experience on how easy it is to get involved, and suggestions for things people of different knowledge levels and skillsets can start with Jul 16 04:27:17 the only problem i forsee with this, is this may be the kind of summit where the only people there ARE the people already involved >_> Jul 16 04:27:19 so i'm not sure Jul 16 04:27:27 it's just a thought i'm playing with Jul 16 04:27:38 otherwise, not sure what i'd talk about Jul 16 04:27:43 maybe a talk on how to help others get involved? Jul 16 04:27:47 ah Jul 16 04:27:49 yeah :P Jul 16 04:27:52 :D Jul 16 04:28:02 though my track record with that may not be too good Jul 16 04:28:06 * johnx makes coffee, will consider the unlocked problem more Jul 16 04:28:34 considering everyone i meet i try to get involved in maemo stuff (like, literally everyone, 100+ people) and so far i've gotten one person to buy one, and he doesnt really do anything Jul 16 04:28:45 <_< Jul 16 04:29:09 i tried to talk a cel phone salesman at the mall into buying an N800 :P Jul 16 04:29:25 he was at the nokia booth so i was like, what the hell why not :P Jul 16 04:29:46 johnx: I love milk tea, so much <_< Jul 16 04:29:52 and CC Lemon Jul 16 04:30:03 I should have you ship me cases of CC Lemon Jul 16 04:30:11 :D Jul 16 04:30:15 it's soooo cheap there compared to here with import inflation >_> Jul 16 04:30:20 I'll have to find where to get it in bulk Jul 16 04:30:37 well, milk tea... CC lemon i could only find in those TINY bottles that are sold as like, health drinks Jul 16 04:30:40 not in the big bottles Jul 16 04:30:57 so it is ridiculously and prohibitively expensive :( Jul 16 04:31:14 Milktea is 4.69 for the 100ml bottles that we were buying there for like 120Y Jul 16 04:31:16 >_< Jul 16 04:32:20 nah, it was still 200Y+ for those :P Jul 16 04:32:27 wait, 100 or 1000? Jul 16 04:34:00 I was never a big milktea fan. Jul 16 04:34:13 But CC Lemon = <3 Jul 16 04:35:37 agreed Jul 16 04:35:56 I miss lemon/lime slice a little though Jul 16 04:35:59 But the real problem is this country does not have enough Beard Papa's. Jul 16 04:36:08 heh Jul 16 04:36:14 lol Jul 16 04:36:15 which is funny cause I miss dunkin donuts Jul 16 04:36:20 What?! Jul 16 04:36:30 and krispy creme Jul 16 04:36:35 CC Lemon was amazing... I drank like 3 cartons of that a day sometimes Jul 16 04:36:40 Go to Tokyo, they have Krispy Kreme. Jul 16 04:36:41 derf, yeah, I know, I must be broken :P Jul 16 04:36:44 I actually liked Mister Donut >_> Jul 16 04:36:49 They are _exactly_ the same as in North Carolina. Jul 16 04:36:52 I must be odd Jul 16 04:36:53 Mister Donut is awesome. Jul 16 04:36:56 :P Jul 16 04:37:01 * derf <3 maccha doughnuts. Jul 16 04:37:02 I do like mister donut Jul 16 04:37:05 IIRC johnx and company didnt like em? Jul 16 04:37:13 macha-choco old fashioned FTW Jul 16 04:37:18 ok.. apparently i remember incorrectly Jul 16 04:37:22 johnx: YES! Jul 16 04:37:37 rm_you, I didn't used to, then I found good donuts there Jul 16 04:37:45 :P Jul 16 04:38:02 The angel heart crullers or whatever they were called were pretty damn good too. Jul 16 04:38:11 now I have a freaking point card ... Jul 16 04:38:25 johnx: errr 1.5L Jul 16 04:38:30 _I_ have a freaking point card, and I've been in the country a total of 3 weeks. Jul 16 04:38:39 :P Jul 16 04:38:45 Pointo Cardo? :P Jul 16 04:38:46 <3 Jul 16 04:39:04 Daijobu :P Jul 16 04:39:04 they put a mister donut right next to where I work ... truly dangerous Jul 16 04:39:11 lol nice Jul 16 04:41:01 i remember one of the girls in the bakery at the main store we went to that would get very embarrassed and flustered because she knew i didn't understand her so she didn't know what to do :P Jul 16 04:41:15 The first time I was there, there was a Beard Papa right next to the train station by where I was staying. Jul 16 04:41:32 Meaning I'd pass it at least twice a day... Jul 16 04:41:32 and then i'd just hand her money for what the register said and she would snap out of it :P Jul 16 04:42:01 dont think i ever saw a Beard Papa Jul 16 04:42:08 You missed out. Jul 16 04:42:24 I'll try beard papa next time I see one Jul 16 04:42:40 what should I try there? Jul 16 04:42:42 Kyou no higawari kudasai! Jul 16 04:43:21 johnx: They only serve like five things. They are all delicious. Jul 16 04:43:51 Well, at least in Japan. Jul 16 04:44:11 The Beard Papa I found in Melbourne had a whole bunch of non-cream puff things on the menu. Jul 16 04:45:09 And at least one of the ones in New York was like an entire Japanese restaurant, with just the cream puffs off to one side. Jul 16 04:45:17 But in Japan they've all been just cream puffs. Jul 16 04:45:44 yeah, that reminds me why I haven't bought anything there yet. I'm not too big on cream puffs... Jul 16 04:45:50 I'll try it though Jul 16 04:45:57 * johnx tries anything once Jul 16 04:46:14 You're right, you must be broken. Jul 16 04:46:16 rm_you, love the "Getting people involved" idea. Jul 16 04:46:22 aww... <3 cream puffs Jul 16 04:46:28 i need to go back for Beard Papa alone :P Jul 16 04:46:48 GeneralAntilles: though I am very afraid that at a Maemo Summit, it will be all major contributers already <_< Jul 16 04:47:00 Seems likely. Jul 16 04:47:06 I'll probably be back to hike Fuji-san at some point, but Beard Papa will definitely be involved somewhere. Jul 16 04:47:13 it's not like the generic ones that have a bunch of random people Jul 16 04:48:08 The "getting people involved" direction would be more useful for the Maemo Summit audience. Jul 16 04:48:15 yeah Jul 16 04:48:22 As hard as I've worked on that, I can't really say I have any good suggestions. :\ Jul 16 04:48:26 would need to come up with some actual material for that Jul 16 04:48:28 yeah... Jul 16 04:48:34 "Get a random whacko to edit wikipedia" Jul 16 04:48:41 ^ that'll generate interest Jul 16 04:48:43 in 5 minutes of thinking i had a decent plan for a 9 minute setting on Getting Involved Jul 16 04:48:48 that would actually be pretty awesome Jul 16 04:48:51 but, yeah... Jul 16 04:48:51 But that's about the extent of my successes Jul 16 04:49:09 The rest of them are just people that were headed that direction anyway, I just gave them a little kick in the pants. Jul 16 04:49:41 I've had plenty of success selling the things. Jul 16 04:49:50 heh Jul 16 04:49:54 I'm up to . . . 7 people or so Jul 16 04:50:03 That I've directly sold Jul 16 04:50:06 yeah, just sold one :/ Jul 16 04:50:08 more indirectly, probably. Jul 16 04:50:14 I had three other people thinking... Jul 16 04:50:16 but none bit Jul 16 04:50:19 two went eeePC Jul 16 04:50:26 rm_you, did I tel you to buy one or not? Jul 16 04:50:27 one just bought a plasma TV :P Jul 16 04:50:28 I don't remember Jul 16 04:50:38 johnx: i think you suggested it yes :P you can go ahead and count me Jul 16 04:50:56 heh, anyone familiar with browserd? Jul 16 04:51:18 i think if you hadnt told me it existed and that you had one, i wouldn't have been so enthusiastic about getting one Jul 16 04:51:31 i like hacking with you :P Jul 16 04:51:42 t_s_o, what's the question? Jul 16 04:52:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21966 Jul 16 04:53:16 t_s_o, never seen that. . . . Jul 16 04:57:46 thing is im not sure if its browserd, or something deeper. that list of exports im seeing is whats confusing me, that and my attempt at reinstalling browserd to no effect... Jul 16 05:01:55 t_s_o, did you install a different shell? what have you installed recently? Jul 16 05:02:01 ^ Jul 16 05:02:14 johnx: nope, using the default diablo one Jul 16 05:02:25 Yeah, that's a good step one. What was the last thing you did before it started happening. Jul 16 05:02:41 watched browser crash on a webpage? Jul 16 05:03:06 You've rebooted, I assume? Jul 16 05:03:07 beyond that its personal launcher, but noone else is reporting anything like it so... Jul 16 05:03:29 more then ones to see if i could get browserd back up Jul 16 05:04:00 Purge ~/.mozilla ? Jul 16 05:04:50 have not gone that far yet, but i have tried to move the microb sub-dir, no effect Jul 16 05:07:12 just purged .mozilla, no change Jul 16 05:08:29 * GeneralAntilles got some great shots tonight. Jul 16 05:08:37 http://flickr.com/photos/27350547@N06/2670666196/ Did a night version of that. Jul 16 05:09:12 btw, im seeing 2 browserd processes in load-applet, thats common, right? Jul 16 05:09:20 Right Jul 16 05:10:05 hmm, i may have killed both at some point, but im not sure if i did it before or after the problem showed up. i think i did it after to see if it would help... Jul 16 05:12:58 anyways, that shouldn't do it Jul 16 05:13:13 it sounds like something is really wrong Jul 16 05:13:28 can you put up the pastebin result of what happens when you run "root" Jul 16 05:13:37 I'd be surprised if these weren't related Jul 16 05:16:23 http://pastebin.org/51731 Jul 16 05:19:11 but everything else works ok? Jul 16 05:19:22 maybe some problem with the profile for root? Jul 16 05:19:58 well i noticed just now that i got a similar amount of text on screen when logging in via ssh, but this time for user Jul 16 05:20:11 but yes, everything else seems to work as it should Jul 16 05:24:48 maybe /etc/profile then? Jul 16 05:24:56 may be Jul 16 05:25:39 that seems to point mostly to af-defines.sh Jul 16 05:26:17 uhm, it shouldn't I think Jul 16 05:26:38 hmm, let me check mine Jul 16 05:26:57 nm, mine does too Jul 16 05:27:32 here's my /etc/profile http://pastebin.com/m68697bae Jul 16 05:28:15 looks the same as the one here... Jul 16 05:28:16 Maybe af-defines.sh is messed up? Jul 16 05:28:40 got some NES controllers for my diabolical project, MUHAHAHAHAA Jul 16 05:28:51 may be, looking at tablet-browser-daemon in init.d it seems to call on the same file Jul 16 05:29:22 ugh, that file is "huge" Jul 16 05:30:34 Coerced johnx into putting his somewhere where you can do a diff. :D Jul 16 05:31:05 t_s_o, I'll md5sum mine Jul 16 05:31:14 s/Coerced/Coerce/ Jul 16 05:31:15 GAN800 meant: Coerce johnx into putting his somewhere where you can do a diff. :D Jul 16 05:31:26 7de3dfb63acef3b621773f833badeb01 Jul 16 05:32:25 hrmf, seems i dont have it available or something... Jul 16 05:33:18 aaah, er right Jul 16 05:35:15 one moment Jul 16 05:36:01 gah, forget that. i did a quick search of apt, it pointed med to coreutils, but installing that would rip out a lot of osso packages :P Jul 16 05:36:17 yeah, you probably don't want that :) Jul 16 05:37:44 and make it unbootable Jul 16 05:38:06 * GAN800 really hopes switching to coreutils will happen by Fremantle. Jul 16 05:38:12 ah well, here it is on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m3d82a426 Jul 16 05:38:28 GAN800, yeah, you probably don't want that :) Jul 16 05:38:37 heh, copied the file from tablet to pc, checksum looks the same... Jul 16 05:38:45 ah, ok Jul 16 05:38:57 just had to do the scp from pc not tablet... Jul 16 05:39:07 The reasons for using busybox are gone. Jul 16 05:39:34 :) morning Jul 16 05:39:41 GAN800, uhm, what? small amounts of flash? not that much memory? a processor with finite speed? Jul 16 05:39:51 IT MUST BE THE SAME PSP! Jul 16 05:40:32 We Need game developers Jul 16 05:40:36 johnx, for the 770 that applied, but for OMAP2 and 3? No. Jul 16 05:40:49 GAN800, run debian for a while. :P Jul 16 05:41:20 johnx, as soon as the DE works as well as OS2008 Jul 16 05:41:22 plus, the next tablet will be aimed even more at consumers. There's no reason to switch to coreutils really. I'd be happy with a sane system for diverts though Jul 16 05:41:37 GAN800, what I'm saying is it is noticeably slower Jul 16 05:41:55 Italodance, so learn to program and make a game. :P Jul 16 05:41:59 is that due to coreutils? Jul 16 05:42:23 johnx why us! maemo and nokia are lazy! Jul 16 05:42:36 * GAN800 eyeroll Jul 16 05:42:56 Italodance gfto of here with that trash. Jul 16 05:43:16 Italodance, Nokia made games and Maemo is Nokia *and* us... Jul 16 05:44:16 GAN800, yeah, bash and coreutils are slower and bigger. and 600MHz and 128MB of RAM is still a "small" system by today's standards. Jul 16 05:44:51 anyways, im running out of ideas here... Jul 16 05:45:20 Freaks me out that a handheld will have a faster CPU than the iBook on the shelf here. Jul 16 05:46:20 and use less battery at peak ;) Jul 16 05:46:41 johnx that's not enough Jul 16 05:47:00 we need professional games like psp Jul 16 05:47:18 For an internet tablet? . . . Jul 16 05:47:38 Italodance: if so, it also need more game-friendly inputs... Jul 16 05:47:46 Italodance, ok. What is your plan to solve this problem? Jul 16 05:47:50 and no, a thumbs keyboard dont really count... Jul 16 05:48:32 t_s_o Wiimote is pretty cool for that in a geeky sort of way. :D Jul 16 05:48:41 johnx we need psp (sony) Designers Jul 16 05:48:50 maybe they can help to nokia Jul 16 05:48:56 ack Jul 16 05:48:58 lol. . . . Jul 16 05:49:01 Italodance, they aren't in this channel. Maybe you should talk to them Jul 16 05:49:02 keep sony away from my device! Jul 16 05:49:04 nokia can have a deal with them Jul 16 05:49:07 * rm_you gets out his crosses and garlic Jul 16 05:49:20 GAN800: read about the new addon that the wiimote will get? extra sensors so that it really knows where it is in 3d space ;) Jul 16 05:49:22 johnx i am talking about nokia Jul 16 05:49:46 t_s_o, gyroscopic accelerometers? Jul 16 05:49:54 sony will help make another company's device into a direct competitor? doubtful Jul 16 05:50:01 That'd makes it so much cooler. Jul 16 05:50:09 yes Jul 16 05:50:10 Italodance, look at the Sony Mylo. It's a similar device by sony, and it has no games. Jul 16 05:50:13 not sure GAN800, all i know it that it will be a small box thats plugged into the back of the wiimote Jul 16 05:50:15 that's a nice idea Jul 16 05:50:23 interesting Jul 16 05:50:38 .... Jul 16 05:51:06 I really need a USB stick install of ubuntu for my tablet Jul 16 05:51:30 rm_you, I was about to stab you until I realized you meant your TabletPC Jul 16 05:51:31 rm_you is it possible? Jul 16 05:51:39 Ubuntu? . . . Jul 16 05:51:39 lol Jul 16 05:51:41 TabletPC Jul 16 05:51:42 TabletPC Jul 16 05:51:42 TabletPC Jul 16 05:51:43 TabletPC Jul 16 05:51:43 johnx: that's not insanely impossible though Jul 16 05:51:46 Hahaha Jul 16 05:51:51 sorry Jul 16 05:51:54 forgot where i was :P Jul 16 05:51:55 well i called my device as TabletPC too Jul 16 05:51:58 We all got out our knives. Jul 16 05:52:04 bootmenu supports booting off usb hdd so and i have a ubuntu image Jul 16 05:52:05 ,) Jul 16 05:52:09 ;) Jul 16 05:52:16 lol Jul 16 05:52:36 Stskeeps, it's not impossible, but I just got tired of people on ITT asking for ubuntu and ignoring debian Jul 16 05:52:40 i'm glad we weren't all in the same room, i might be dead by now Jul 16 05:52:48 Ha Jul 16 05:52:58 rm_you == ganked Jul 16 05:53:17 johnx do u know the official chan of psp? Jul 16 05:53:25 #0 Jul 16 05:54:38 Italodance, I have no idea Jul 16 05:54:40 btw on maemo.org MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 was FAKE!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 16 05:54:51 Italodance, no it wasn't Jul 16 05:54:53 yes FAKE! Jul 16 05:54:55 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 16 05:55:00 MPLAYER Jul 16 05:55:06 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ Jul 16 05:55:06 wtf though, ubuntu is lieing to me on my tabletpc, says i have sound drivers up and working, but i'm trying my hardest to get even a peep out of the speakers Jul 16 05:55:15 MPLAYER IZ UH PHONEY!!!!!!!!!! Jul 16 05:55:18 FAKE! we don't have 29 yet,even 28! Jul 16 05:55:27 FAAAAKEEEEEE Jul 16 05:55:32 ahahaha Jul 16 05:55:39 late night crazies on #maemo? :P Jul 16 05:55:48 I knew it would happen eventually. GeneralAntilles finally flipped Jul 16 05:56:03 Stskeeps, I'm in an evil mood. ;) Jul 16 05:56:05 rm_you, install gamix and play with it Jul 16 05:56:11 ah? Jul 16 05:56:26 rm_you, latest ubuntu seems to have some sound issues or something Jul 16 05:57:10 >_> Jul 16 05:57:56 wow the gamix interface looks horrible Jul 16 05:58:34 yeah, quite painful, but it works Jul 16 05:58:42 >_> Jul 16 05:59:44 wow no, nothing Jul 16 05:59:45 lame Jul 16 05:59:53 i should go back to gutsy, it worked way better IMO Jul 16 06:00:02 hardy was a big disappointment for me in general Jul 16 06:00:19 works fine here Jul 16 06:00:25 * johnx shrugs Jul 16 06:01:12 There was a charger in this room 2 months ago. . . . Jul 16 06:06:33 how can i find out what is using a module so i can rmmod it? Jul 16 06:06:47 i need to reload my snd-hda-intel module >_> Jul 16 06:07:11 i wonder if i can boot from SD card on this thing... that would be ideal Jul 16 06:07:17 rm_you, prolly pulseaudio Jul 16 06:08:21 >_> Jul 16 06:09:24 nopee Jul 16 06:09:26 still more using it Jul 16 06:09:37 qwerty12: yo Jul 16 06:09:43 hey rm_you Jul 16 06:10:57 qwerty12, announcement yet? :D Jul 16 06:11:32 GAN800: Will do soon, I'm just not sure that the install file is working >.< Jul 16 06:11:36 Extras is getting fairly win lately. Jul 16 06:11:48 Ah, yeah, that's a pain. :/ Jul 16 06:12:11 qwerty12 / GAN800: http://slexy.org/view/s20cPCbhhr Jul 16 06:12:12 I bet X-Fade could probably stick on up manually if it came to it. Jul 16 06:13:25 The install file works on my computer but not on my tablet >.<. I'll try again and see if it works now :) Jul 16 06:13:31 rm_you: nice :) Jul 16 06:13:46 sweet Jul 16 06:14:02 http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 Jul 16 06:14:16 so, that is the reason it is a bit ugly... Jul 16 06:14:31 it installs the correct unlocked package, but as you can see, it is done in the background, not via apt Jul 16 06:14:45 so it doesnt notify you of a package it is technically installing as part of that operation Jul 16 06:14:57 scroll to the bottom of the second paste to see the new stuff Jul 16 06:14:58 I'm suprised there's not an existing method for hardware-based logic. . . Jul 16 06:15:08 GAN800: the other option is I make a patch for apyt Jul 16 06:15:10 *apt Jul 16 06:15:14 that maybe gets pushed upstream Jul 16 06:15:18 specifically to make that choice Jul 16 06:15:38 I mean, this situation can't have never been encountered. Jul 16 06:16:03 Did you check with any knowledgable Debian packagers? Jul 16 06:16:20 don't really know any Jul 16 06:16:49 johnx mentioned some things he thought were supposed to work, but they haven't worked that way AFAIK, so i dunno Jul 16 06:17:31 #debian? Jul 16 06:18:07 explaining the situation precisely so they know what i'm talking about may be above my head Jul 16 06:18:38 and i keep being tempted to fall into the "Any deb packaging experts here?" trap before trying to explain what is probably three screens of text >_< Jul 16 06:18:59 Doomsday.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-LMG Jul 16 06:19:02 :D Jul 16 06:19:16 i keep thinking "JUST ASK THE QUESTION!" but i can't help but think that yes, this situations is one of the unique ones >_> Jul 16 06:19:44 because i would probably have to give the explanation in a pastebin or else get accused of spamming :P Jul 16 06:19:51 lol Jul 16 06:20:22 but anyway, you think the current method COULD be workable? Jul 16 06:20:29 Well, can't hurt to try. Jul 16 06:20:37 i want to ask a few more of the hardcore dev people here, like lardman and lcuk, when they wake up Jul 16 06:20:42 maybe con johnx into doing it for you. Jul 16 06:20:48 lol Jul 16 06:20:54 lol Jul 16 06:21:00 I just think there should be a way to do this Jul 16 06:21:01 don't ask lcuk Jul 16 06:21:05 lol Jul 16 06:21:05 but I can't think of another package that does it... Jul 16 06:21:08 He don't do packaging. ;) Jul 16 06:21:14 yeah but Jul 16 06:21:20 whether he thinks the solution is acceptable Jul 16 06:21:23 Talk to X-Fade and Jaffa. Jul 16 06:21:28 that's what i want to ask :P Jul 16 06:21:37 just if they think they could use it Jul 16 06:22:00 all you do is make your package Depend on osso-software-version-unlocked and it works automagically Jul 16 06:22:13 i should possibly name it different tho Jul 16 06:22:40 Definitely Jul 16 06:22:49 "osso-software-version-unlocked-chooser" or "osso-software-version-generic-unlocked-" Jul 16 06:22:53 dunno Jul 16 06:23:01 software-version-unlocked-installer? Jul 16 06:23:13 software-version-unlocker? Jul 16 06:23:21 Like that Jul 16 06:23:29 All I know is that Nokia depend on osso-software-version-variant because their osso-software-version-rx*4 provides that. Jul 16 06:23:36 (I) Jul 16 06:23:39 yeah... Jul 16 06:24:27 hrm time to find out if i can boot from mmc Jul 16 06:24:43 If the problem is that apt doesn't show the osso-software-version-rx*4-unlocked being installed, can't you just fake the lines that apt would display? Jul 16 06:25:22 headed out for a while, rm_you: I'll think about this for a while, just give me a little time Jul 16 06:25:34 kk Jul 16 06:25:37 later Jul 16 06:25:47 qwerty12: LOL Jul 16 06:25:53 :P Jul 16 06:25:57 (I would :P) Jul 16 06:25:58 NOTIME!NOTIME! Jul 16 06:26:32 qwerty12: I want it to be doable in app manager Jul 16 06:26:41 where they would see much of anything anyway, i guess Jul 16 06:32:54 this is probably not completly related to maemo, but is there a way to 'mute' a flash app? Jul 16 06:33:10 Ah, the rootsh install file is working when I'm using http instead of https to access maemo.org. Not sure why that is but anyway... Jul 16 06:39:41 ONO Jul 16 06:39:55 I just thought it... Jul 16 06:40:35 "Wow, my n800 is working perfectly! ... Wow, it is working way too well... There are no problems at all." Jul 16 06:40:42 Now it is doomed to explode. Jul 16 06:40:50 Tick Tock Jul 16 06:41:04 lol Jul 16 06:41:22 rm_you's electronics hate him. Jul 16 06:41:30 hehe Jul 16 06:41:43 i need a pic of my current setup :P sec Jul 16 06:47:18 lol: http://www.ageofikon.info/current_desk.jpg Jul 16 06:47:24 not as awesome as my last setup :( Jul 16 06:47:31 but i like it Jul 16 06:47:41 Yep, an "Forbidden" setup sounds soo good Jul 16 06:47:42 you're down to 4 screens GAN? Jul 16 06:47:48 :/ Jul 16 06:48:06 No, I'm up to 5. Jul 16 06:48:06 "You don't have permission to access /current_desk.jpg on this server." :P Jul 16 06:48:59 weird Jul 16 06:49:00 fixed Jul 16 06:50:16 you can *almost* see my aim contacts :P Jul 16 06:50:18 almost :P Jul 16 06:50:34 i have the same software as CSI Jul 16 06:50:44 i can zoom in and enhance Jul 16 06:50:51 Ha Jul 16 06:50:55 even they don't have that software :P Jul 16 06:50:57 pft Jul 16 06:51:27 What would Hollywood do without their flawed understanding of technology? Jul 16 06:51:58 GAN800: start a UI design company? Jul 16 06:51:59 :P Jul 16 06:52:06 http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/1/ipv45.png Jul 16 06:53:37 they really should Jul 16 06:54:02 I *still* look forward to a UI like in Minority Report Jul 16 06:55:21 Wii has that sort of feel Jul 16 06:55:37 Mine doesn't :( Jul 16 06:55:43 I wish they would let you type with two controllers. Jul 16 06:59:17 qwerty12: have you looked at the mplayer rotation issue at all? Jul 16 06:59:49 rm_you: I'm not a programmer, I'm just a very simple patch porter :) Jul 16 06:59:54 lol Jul 16 07:00:01 hmm, wii uses bluetooth right? does it support hid? Jul 16 07:00:04 mplayer works in inverse mode fine though :/ Jul 16 07:00:09 I guess I will... Jul 16 07:00:26 t_s_o, should. Jul 16 07:00:41 i think logitech have a interesting keyboard then ;) Jul 16 07:00:46 Anyway, bye. Jul 16 07:01:02 Hadn't considered that. Jul 16 07:01:10 That would be nice. Jul 16 07:01:24 Hopefully cheaper than the Apple board. Jul 16 07:02:22 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848 Jul 16 07:02:36 heh, maybe not the cheapest tho ;) Jul 16 07:02:50 the mini keyboard? Jul 16 07:03:07 yep Jul 16 07:03:21 altho i guess one could go for one of the fullsized ones to Jul 16 07:03:36 that would be so cool if only ut were under $100 Jul 16 07:04:32 ga: got a bt keyboard? Jul 16 07:04:43 iGo Jul 16 07:05:04 ga: comment on bug 3359 please Jul 16 07:05:11 already did Jul 16 07:05:14 or they will close it Jul 16 07:05:18 thanks Jul 16 07:05:39 Eh, they're not dictators. ;) Jul 16 07:05:40 key repeats? Jul 16 07:05:49 You can always reopend. Jul 16 07:06:02 s/reopened/reopen/ Jul 16 07:06:15 heh, glibc was it? Jul 16 07:11:12 tsnk: delays and lost keys Jul 16 07:11:55 I suspect that the lost keys come from the small buffer size in apple kbd + delays Jul 16 07:14:51 elo Jul 16 07:15:47 ehlo hrw Jul 16 07:16:46 250 PIPELLING RST38h Jul 16 07:28:50 maybe I should port some more things Jul 16 07:28:56 what is something that people want Jul 16 07:29:01 porting an app should be interesting Jul 16 07:29:11 and a good learning exercise Jul 16 07:29:23 rm_you: indeed Jul 16 07:29:41 rm_you: port Openmoko Dates to hildon Jul 16 07:29:45 hrm Jul 16 07:29:49 k will look into it Jul 16 07:30:15 port conky properly Jul 16 07:30:27 as a desktop applet Jul 16 07:33:32 hrw: looks nice from screenshots, but where is the source held!? >_> Jul 16 07:34:31 oh, it is pimloco Jul 16 07:34:37 i thought there was already a pimloco port Jul 16 07:35:25 their site already has a .install for os2008 >_> Jul 16 07:40:07 Hildonize Epiphany! Jul 16 07:40:52 what's pimloco? Jul 16 07:41:16 ~google pimlico Jul 16 07:41:26 too bad Jul 16 07:42:19 rm_you: their page say the latest version of contacts is 0.9, but the latest for maemo is 0.8, and i recall the release announcement said something about them not prioriticing maemo, they didnt even care about maemo specific bugs... Jul 16 07:42:33 I actually searched on google before asking, could not find a software related entry. going to try other keywords :P Jul 16 07:42:50 heh Jul 16 07:42:54 epiphany? pfft Jul 16 07:43:02 wait, are you NOT talking about the web browser? :P Jul 16 07:43:14 i recall there being two "epiphany" apps Jul 16 07:43:40 why is it again that python-avahi doesn't port? Jul 16 07:43:41 web browset Jul 16 07:44:03 I'd like a MicroB alternative with tabs and such that doesn't suck. Jul 16 07:44:17 ... and you choose epiphany? >_> Jul 16 07:44:42 :P Jul 16 07:45:31 Meh, I don't know Linux browsers. Jul 16 07:45:40 Pick whatever you like. ;) Jul 16 07:45:48 lol Jul 16 07:45:56 But preferrably something WebKit Jul 16 07:46:03 i want to start out with something easy,,, Jul 16 07:46:13 so maybe i will try pimloco to start Jul 16 07:46:39 pimlico Jul 16 07:46:54 I think fixing the task switcher would be more useful than tabs Jul 16 07:47:09 Since the wm isn't wimp crap Jul 16 07:47:33 ? Jul 16 07:47:40 fixing the task switcher? Jul 16 07:47:41 yeah, i don't miss tabs in microb, while i use a lot in my desktop firefox Jul 16 07:47:52 rm_you: no, it doesn't need fixing :) Jul 16 07:48:01 lol Jul 16 07:48:02 that's why we don't need tabs in microb Jul 16 07:48:18 imho Jul 16 07:48:22 i would love to see a option to open external links in new windows tho... Jul 16 07:48:41 t_s_o: long tap, open in new window? Jul 16 07:48:57 aquatix: that works from inside modest? Jul 16 07:48:58 Meh, I don't like the fiddling involed in switching to a new window Jul 16 07:49:09 Way too many presses. Jul 16 07:49:11 t_s_o: er, modest already opens a new window i think Jul 16 07:49:17 but i might be mistaken Jul 16 07:49:25 the rss reader doesn't though Jul 16 07:49:48 nor do modest in my experience Jul 16 07:50:05 hm, could be Jul 16 07:50:13 but then right now i dont have a working browser at all so... Jul 16 07:50:21 claws mail does though Jul 16 07:50:28 so it's of course possible Jul 16 07:50:34 file a feature request :) Jul 16 07:50:53 i think there is one allready Jul 16 08:05:59 well, right when i decide to do some work, i lose my connection to my buildbox >_> Jul 16 08:07:52 Aloha! Jul 16 08:09:14 wow, so yeah, great... the server I tunnel through to get to my buildbox is down. >_< Jul 16 08:15:44 rm_you: :( Jul 16 08:16:03 greetings Jul 16 08:16:24 OMFG, Ultima Online in 1st person, with the Iris 3D Linux Client Jul 16 08:16:40 http://www.iris2.de/index.php/Image:300703.jpg Jul 16 08:18:15 could someone tellme how can i enable the execution of a.out files in the n810 term? Jul 16 08:18:58 rm_you: neat Jul 16 08:19:15 darkterror46: make them executable? Jul 16 08:19:18 chmod +x a.out Jul 16 08:19:23 i guess that'd work Jul 16 08:19:23 did you ever play UO? :P Jul 16 08:19:46 :) Jul 16 08:19:46 rm_you: no, actually, but i thought it interesting Jul 16 08:20:06 :P Jul 16 08:20:17 * aquatix refrains from playing such addictive games Jul 16 08:20:36 i've got enough computer-related addictions :) Jul 16 08:21:00 nope that doesn't work aquatix Jul 16 08:21:09 i still get permission denied Jul 16 08:21:39 hrm... Jul 16 08:21:39 compile them to a sensible binary? ;) Jul 16 08:21:52 while [ true ]; do mplayer 01_nightwish-escapist_unreleased-amrc.mp3; done Jul 16 08:21:58 is that bad? >_> Jul 16 08:22:11 that's been running for like 2 hours :/ Jul 16 08:22:53 man I am bored when I don't have my buildbox >_> Jul 16 08:22:56 aquatix ok what is a sensible binary? do i need to cry? :) Jul 16 08:22:58 hm, is that a new track from them? Jul 16 08:23:01 I really should install scratchbox locally Jul 16 08:23:08 aquatix: was on ... errr Jul 16 08:23:38 Nightwish-Dark_Passion_Play-Limited_Boxset_Edition_Bonus_Disc-2007-AMRC Jul 16 08:23:39 as i don't have it :) Jul 16 08:23:43 ah yeah Jul 16 08:23:55 lol does EVERYONE in this channel listen to nightwish? :P Jul 16 08:24:00 i don't have an album from them since they switched their lead singer Jul 16 08:24:04 ah Jul 16 08:24:09 I like her Jul 16 08:24:17 hi, i tried to install scratchbox, but have this problem: "Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable." Jul 16 08:24:19 didn't hear her yet Jul 16 08:24:21 actually the effect of while [ true ] is exactly same as while [ false ] or even while [ maybe ] :) Jul 16 08:24:22 she isn't an opera singer, obviously, so their style changed Jul 16 08:24:29 but Amaranth is an excellent song Jul 16 08:24:31 it evaluates as a string Jul 16 08:24:47 sibbe: ah right, should have been `true` :P Jul 16 08:24:51 i think Jul 16 08:24:54 wait... Jul 16 08:24:59 just "while true" Jul 16 08:25:02 yeah Jul 16 08:25:03 lol Jul 16 08:25:08 not enclosed in test Jul 16 08:25:08 Nice that Marco sings these days Jul 16 08:25:15 seen that, it's even on maemo initfs :D Jul 16 08:25:19 yeah, While Your Lips Are Still Red was him, right? Jul 16 08:25:32 that is a good song Jul 16 08:25:35 i wonder if timely is active right now... Jul 16 08:25:42 hi, is here somebody to like to help me with the scratchpad installation? Jul 16 08:25:42 SEE?! EVERYONE! Jul 16 08:25:47 I know someone who sounds just like Tarja. Haven't seen her in a while, though Jul 16 08:26:02 Nightwish is coming to TX in September... Jul 16 08:26:06 I am excited... Jul 16 08:26:12 rm_you: if you like Nightwish, you should try some Within Temptation Jul 16 08:26:14 ACK I hope it isn't the same weekend of the Maemo Summit :P Jul 16 08:26:17 dutch band, quite cool Jul 16 08:26:32 Ugh Jul 16 08:26:34 Nightwish always reminded me of Blind Guardian, but I think they actually started at about the same time, lol Jul 16 08:26:48 rm_you: the silent force is nice, for example Jul 16 08:26:52 Nightwish just had a more operatic feel, thanks to Tarja, obviously Jul 16 08:26:58 aquatix: will check it out Jul 16 08:27:11 There's female singer popmetal bands dime a dozen today Jul 16 08:27:11 you should grab Dark Passion Play Jul 16 08:27:17 is there another maemo channel for developers or sdk support? Jul 16 08:27:21 and the bonus discs, Escapist is an excellent track Jul 16 08:27:26 dunno why it didnt make the main CD Jul 16 08:27:37 they must have been like, pft, this CD has too much awesome, we must remove some Jul 16 08:27:40 XTLi: true, so it's nice when you find an actually good one :) Jul 16 08:27:42 prometoys: no, that's us Jul 16 08:27:48 prometoys: do you mean Scratchbox? Jul 16 08:27:48 not listened to the new nightwish yet Jul 16 08:27:57 rm_you: yes Jul 16 08:28:09 prometoys: I believe the new wiki page is fairly up to date? Jul 16 08:28:11 * aquatix fires up rtorrent Jul 16 08:28:15 prometoys: are you in linux or windows Jul 16 08:28:24 aquatix: i run uTorrent in WINE >_> Jul 16 08:28:36 it is flawless now in wine 1.0 >_> Jul 16 08:28:53 and actually uses comparable resources to rtorrent, even in WINE <_< Jul 16 08:28:55 * aquatix likes deluge torrent Jul 16 08:28:55 rm_you: linux Jul 16 08:29:02 is it like uTorrent? Jul 16 08:29:05 or non-gui? Jul 16 08:29:07 but i'll not download at work, so i'm firing up rtorrent at home ;) Jul 16 08:29:09 rm_you: i tried the script, but there was not enough space on / Jul 16 08:29:13 it's quite like utorrent Jul 16 08:29:14 torrents is the one thing i like GUI for Jul 16 08:29:19 prometoys: hrm Jul 16 08:29:22 rtorrent is cli Jul 16 08:29:29 prometoys: well, you have another partition that has space? Jul 16 08:29:30 re Jul 16 08:29:40 aquatix: i know Jul 16 08:29:42 i used it Jul 16 08:29:47 rm_you: even simpler, I use LVM and extended / Jul 16 08:29:51 but am running uTorrent specifically so i get a GUI :P Jul 16 08:30:02 prometoys: err, and there is not enough space? Jul 16 08:30:09 prometoys: then you need to make space? :P Jul 16 08:30:10 rm_you: try deluge :) Jul 16 08:30:24 rm_you: then I was forced to delete /scratchpad Jul 16 08:30:27 or azureus if you like ;) Jul 16 08:30:32 right, is it GUI? Jul 16 08:30:33 ick no Jul 16 08:30:39 rm_you: then the script failed again Jul 16 08:30:42 azureus = java = EXPLODE Jul 16 08:30:50 10:29:12 aquatix | it's quite like utorrent Jul 16 08:30:58 ah Jul 16 08:31:06 prometoys: so... how much free space do you have on / ? Jul 16 08:31:21 rm_you: http://deluge-torrent.org/screenshots.php ;) Jul 16 08:31:32 rm_you: 800mb Jul 16 08:31:32 even has a web gui Jul 16 08:31:33 aquatix: installing now, is in Sid repos Jul 16 08:31:38 prometoys: you need much more Jul 16 08:31:51 yeah, it's in sid and ubuntu Jul 16 08:32:10 python based? Jul 16 08:32:12 it's my primary bt client Jul 16 08:32:15 yeah Jul 16 08:32:19 but it's snappy :) Jul 16 08:32:22 yeah :P Jul 16 08:32:26 Not much you can do with little shy of a bit :) Jul 16 08:32:33 some people dis on python for being slow... I don't :P Jul 16 08:32:39 rm_you: how much? Jul 16 08:32:48 rm_you: me neither :) Jul 16 08:32:57 prometoys: I can't get to my buildbox to check right now, unfortunately :( Jul 16 08:33:04 i saw some snappy python stuff on my n810 too Jul 16 08:33:07 I remember Grail Jul 16 08:33:10 rm_you: http://www.prometoys.net/downloads/scratch.log Jul 16 08:33:13 I think possibly 2.0+ gigs Jul 16 08:33:49 great ! now i can compile in the n810 but can't execute it Jul 16 08:33:58 XTLi: eek, python with tcl/tk? Jul 16 08:34:10 http://i.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/08/06/bunch-of-nokias/thumb/gsmarena_001.jpg Jul 16 08:34:13 N79! Jul 16 08:34:33 ``Grail supports full HTML 2.0, including images, forms and imagemaps, and many HTML 3.2 features'' <- yay! Jul 16 08:34:36 rm_you: but it didn't mention this on the error, apt runs fine, but then the script fails, because there is no /scratchbox Jul 16 08:34:47 * aquatix squints at tiny jpg Jul 16 08:34:55 Italodance: that's good? Jul 16 08:35:23 E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. Jul 16 08:35:37 prometoys: scratchbox is actually missing? Jul 16 08:35:38 rm_you: maybe i better create a new partition only for scratchbox Jul 16 08:35:43 or just not executable? Jul 16 08:35:45 rm_you: yes Jul 16 08:35:53 rm_you: not there Jul 16 08:36:17 rm_you: before the script didn't work, because it exist Jul 16 08:36:24 ok well Jul 16 08:36:25 do Jul 16 08:36:38 Italodance: i quite like the e71 Jul 16 08:36:41 apt-get remove "scratchbox*" Jul 16 08:36:55 and then start from the beginning Jul 16 08:37:03 sounds like something broke earlier on Jul 16 08:37:20 hopefully the packages will still be in your apt cache so it wont have to DL them again Jul 16 08:37:44 rm_you: ok, thanks for your help, i will try this Jul 16 08:40:29 rm_you: can i create a extra partition /scratchbox or will the scripts fail because the directory exist? Jul 16 08:42:40 yes, I can ;) Jul 16 08:44:05 yeah :P Jul 16 08:50:25 rm_you: "You now have Scratchbox 1.0.8 'apophis' release installed." Yeeha. :) Thanks alot Jul 16 08:50:49 :P Jul 16 08:50:55 np, glad it was that simple :P Jul 16 08:51:42 I installed one package, menu Icon is coming but tool bar Icon is not coming, it's giving hildon-desktop[9585]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Application bablu_main.py - Menu did not provide valid .desktop file Jul 16 08:54:29 Checked .desktop file against hello-world package .desktop but no difference, hello-world icon is coming in tool bar? what's wrong ? Jul 16 08:55:37 can you copy the .desktop file to a pastebin? Jul 16 08:55:46 www.slexy.org www.pastebin.ca Jul 16 08:58:47 newest Linus quote: "I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys" Jul 16 08:59:34 Url? :D Jul 16 09:01:25 rm_you:URL: http://rafb.net/p/0fiY4U23.html Jul 16 09:02:10 only thing I can think of is that it doesnt like the "!" Jul 16 09:02:14 but that is kind of dumb... Jul 16 09:03:15 opendeep: is this a statusbar program, or is it launched from the menu? Jul 16 09:04:16 Seems to be missing most of the sentence, too Jul 16 09:05:00 XTLi, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Jul 16 09:05:33 rm_you:It is launched from menu Jul 16 09:07:36 wnd: nice one Jul 16 09:11:09 Stskeeps: whoa, that quote is out of context :) Jul 16 09:13:08 ah, finaly, got syslogd installed. so now i have some nice logging of whats going on behind the scene with browser and browserd :) Jul 16 09:13:30 Very Jul 16 09:13:54 XTLi: indeed Jul 16 09:14:18 bookmarked it so i can throw it into someone's face when i come across the quote again ;) Jul 16 09:20:02 Anybody knows if there is documentation on OMAP2420 available somewhere? Not speaking of the PowerVR, but at least the basic stuff Jul 16 09:21:58 opendeep: have you tried removing the "!"? :/ Jul 16 09:22:03 that is really all i can think of Jul 16 09:24:35 rm_you: In .desktop Name ? Jul 16 09:24:55 yeah :/ Jul 16 09:25:03 otherwise it looks perfectly fine <_< Jul 16 09:25:23 but really that shouldnt cause a problem :( Jul 16 09:26:31 http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/cache/images/tiraecol_en-2.png <- *g* Jul 16 09:30:18 :) Jul 16 09:36:03 :- Jul 16 09:36:04 =-O Jul 16 09:36:42 =-O Jul 16 09:36:57 hello Chenkai Jul 16 09:37:36 hi, it is my first time to use IRC ;-) Jul 16 09:37:55 welcome :) Jul 16 09:41:09 :-) Jul 16 09:50:51 johnx: well? thoughts? :P Jul 16 09:51:15 rm_you, my hair is shorter. :P Jul 16 09:51:19 lol Jul 16 09:51:21 that's my only thought Jul 16 09:51:24 I should do that >_> Jul 16 09:51:55 I shall go have hair surgery next week, have them surgically remove about 3 inches Jul 16 09:51:59 I still say you're better off making it an explicit step. I can't think of any debian package that does it this way Jul 16 09:52:03 it will be glorious Jul 16 09:52:19 I can't think of any other similar situation >_> Jul 16 09:52:23 my health plan doesn't cover hair-ectomy, so I pay someone in a sketchy little shop :S Jul 16 09:52:39 I got a coupon when I bought hotdogs :P Jul 16 09:53:02 "buy some sausage, lose some hair" ? Jul 16 09:53:11 :P Jul 16 09:53:31 poor sachin007 Jul 16 09:53:49 he's been trying and failing to get a2dp to work for like 6 months IIRC Jul 16 09:53:52 that's why I told him not to buy bt headphones Jul 16 09:53:55 I feel bad for the guy Jul 16 09:54:04 I do too, kinda Jul 16 09:54:15 * johnx is more of a jerk than rm_you Jul 16 09:54:18 lol Jul 16 09:54:31 only KINDA feel bad :P Jul 16 09:55:13 I do my own hair surgery. Jul 16 09:55:42 Haven't had bigger ops done in over tes years :) Jul 16 09:55:48 Ten Jul 16 09:55:58 rm_you: it's not that hard?! Jul 16 09:56:04 well I think I will sleep soon... and possibly sushi in the morning :P Jul 16 09:56:06 lardman: AH! Jul 16 09:56:07 you're here Jul 16 09:56:15 which? Jul 16 09:56:21 ah yeah Jul 16 09:56:25 getting a2dp to work Jul 16 09:56:25 no it isn't :( Jul 16 09:56:29 sad Jul 16 09:56:42 you feel bad for him too? :P Jul 16 09:56:47 hey, I had problems with it at first too, so did both of you :P Jul 16 09:56:50 but the cryptic bluez error messages can be annoying Jul 16 09:56:55 johnx: less so than most :P Jul 16 09:56:58 johnx: absolutely Jul 16 09:57:09 johnx: i think i may have been one of the first to get video playing? >_> Jul 16 09:57:12 yeah, that's three people who should have been able to figure it out, but none of us have :| Jul 16 09:57:16 i did submit the patch for it... >_> Jul 16 09:57:58 here's my theory: it registers the capabilities that both devices support on first pairing and stores it somewhere Jul 16 09:58:02 rm_you: with the dsp? Jul 16 09:58:09 lardman: no, not with DSP yet Jul 16 09:58:14 since the tablet doesn't support a2dp at that point, it's not a capability... Jul 16 09:58:16 though i havent tried the new release Jul 16 09:58:20 johnx: we could always ask on the Bluez lists Jul 16 09:58:48 sure, I'll test something first though. Maybe I'll do a reflash... Jul 16 09:58:57 rm_you: please do give it a go, you need to flash the kernel then echo 0 (iirc) into /sys/power/something_or_other_DSP_related Jul 16 09:59:21 heh Jul 16 09:59:28 hrm i was just about to sleep Jul 16 09:59:34 but what the hell :P Jul 16 09:59:36 hmm, ferroelectric nand... Jul 16 09:59:38 the instructions are in the release notes anyway Jul 16 09:59:44 i'll cook up a couple pimpsteaks and get crackin Jul 16 09:59:51 linky? :P Jul 16 10:00:01 hang on a ticky Jul 16 10:00:32 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 Jul 16 10:00:36 release 1.1.0 Jul 16 10:01:15 lardman: did you see my solution for osso-software-rx*-unlocked? Jul 16 10:01:19 err Jul 16 10:01:23 -version- Jul 16 10:01:45 rm_you: I think I saw it but didn't get round to reading it Jul 16 10:01:47 rm_you, you never sleep Jul 16 10:01:51 lol Jul 16 10:01:54 lcuk_work: what did YOU think Jul 16 10:01:58 i need opinions Jul 16 10:02:04 it's apparently either love or hate Jul 16 10:02:20 opinions to what? ive just vnced in and looked at irc since ummm a while back Jul 16 10:02:24 heh Jul 16 10:02:30 osso-software-version-unlocked Jul 16 10:03:03 * lcuk_work still doesnt know what you are on about :P Jul 16 10:03:24 nevermind... if you didn't ever struggle with that issue, then it wouldnt mean much to you Jul 16 10:03:26 i know lardman does Jul 16 10:04:23 errr Jul 16 10:04:37 what is there that acts like a .bashrc / .bash_profile in busybox/sh? Jul 16 10:04:46 /etc/profile ? Jul 16 10:04:56 thx Jul 16 10:05:39 rm_you: this is the thing about upgrading packages which the OS relies upon? Jul 16 10:05:46 lardman: yes Jul 16 10:05:58 Does it read .profile, too Jul 16 10:06:38 rm_you: linky? ;) Jul 16 10:07:01 lardman: err, it's more of a proof of concept / explanation Jul 16 10:07:05 hey everyone ! Jul 16 10:07:10 lardman: i have a demo set up in my own repo Jul 16 10:07:26 basically... ugh lemmie see if i can dig this out of the logs, its like three paragraphs Jul 16 10:07:30 rm_you, ~/.profile Jul 16 10:07:33 * johnx makes dinner Jul 16 10:07:50 lunch? Jul 16 10:08:26 lardman: so. Jul 16 10:08:26 Wow Jul 16 10:08:41 LADIES AND CUCUMBERS ! Jul 16 10:08:58 rm_you: was it on IRC? Jul 16 10:09:00 I have the official results of the first gps battery test ! Jul 16 10:09:10 crashanddie: :) Jul 16 10:09:12 you install a package named "osso-software-version" which "replaces: osso-software-version-rx34, osso-software-version-rx44", and it comes with both rx34-unlocked and rx44-unlocked debs... then during postinst it forks, figures out which hardware it is on, and waits for dpkg / apt to exit and then installs the correct deb Jul 16 10:09:20 it let us properly name the xserver-xomap package (for example) in which we added rotation support to a higher version and the maintainer for THAT puts my package "osso-software-version-unlocked" in as a "Depends" Jul 16 10:09:47 The n810 managed a whopping 12 hours and 27 minutes in its first run ! Jul 16 10:09:55 crashanddie: O_o Jul 16 10:10:04 crashanddie: idle, + gpsd? Jul 16 10:10:08 rm_you: ah, ok Jul 16 10:10:10 aye Jul 16 10:10:19 with the occasional tap on the screen Jul 16 10:10:58 oh, and btw, I got a reply from Wayfinder support Jul 16 10:11:00 lardman: so, bad things about this: HAAAACK! dpkg postinst is installing an extra package stealthily without notifying the user (technically, though the user is notified essentially that this is happening, since they are installing a generic version of the real package) Jul 16 10:11:41 lardman: there is a possible point of failure, if the package manager is never closed and the device dies from something like battery, etc, where it is a hard-shutoff Jul 16 10:11:45 You remember I emailed them because I couldn't get through the downloading process of some maps ? Jul 16 10:12:13 lardman: on the up side, the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME is that you need to run "enable-unlocked" Jul 16 10:12:32 ^^^ the script it installs to handle the installation of the correct unlocking package Jul 16 10:13:04 this is the reply I got: http://slexy.org/view/s20Pb7wfgd Jul 16 10:13:15 lardman: it makes the process VERY easy, as all a package maintainer (like you for bluez) must do is increment their package version like they wanted to in the beginning, and add one thing, "osso-software-version-unlocked" to the Depends of their package Jul 16 10:13:20 you'll note that the link she gave was non-existent at the time of writing of the email... :D Jul 16 10:14:13 I've been a sucker for version number Jul 16 10:14:26 lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 Jul 16 10:14:30 how do you define you're at version 0.1.8.13.3.4.6.2.9.3,5 ? Jul 16 10:14:49 rm_you, I sorry to jump in like this, but what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Jul 16 10:15:12 wnd: no please do, i am looking for opinions Jul 16 10:15:24 trying to decide if this method is even remotely acceptable as a solution to the problem Jul 16 10:15:58 rm_you: it sounds interesting Jul 16 10:16:07 wnd: the problem is that the devices use a package to maintain the correct system packages, as part of the SSE thing with diablo. the package is different for n810 and n800 Jul 16 10:16:11 rm_you: and would probably do the job Jul 16 10:16:19 wnd: ex, osso-software-version-rx34 Jul 16 10:16:21 wnd: ex, osso-software-version-rx44 Jul 16 10:16:32 what happens with upgrades? Jul 16 10:16:47 wnd: so, it locks down the EXACT versions of packages to that which was installed stock on the device Jul 16 10:16:54 just replaces your packages I guess? Jul 16 10:16:57 lardman: it updates as if you had installed it normally Jul 16 10:17:06 :) Jul 16 10:17:32 rm_you: sounds like a plan; won't happen for a while though as I'm away next week Jul 16 10:17:33 rm_you, so the idea would be to create transition packages per device ? Jul 16 10:17:33 wnd: they provide another package, osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked which allows for >= instead of == on the package deps Jul 16 10:18:02 crashanddie: i think they wanted to be prepared for offering different versions of certain system libraries depending on the hardware Jul 16 10:18:11 what about combining hacks? I suppose that will be troublesome? Jul 16 10:18:16 crashanddie: at the moment, i'm not sure there is a difference. the packages are only meta-packages.... Jul 16 10:18:21 lardman: ?? Jul 16 10:18:24 or have you done s/=/>= Jul 16 10:18:36 lardman: I don't depend on it Jul 16 10:18:37 say your xerver + my hacked Bluez-utils Jul 16 10:18:48 so far so good I guess. what do you want to do? Jul 16 10:19:02 you just depend on "osso-software-version-unlocked", no version, thats it Jul 16 10:19:14 and my package has no depends of its own Jul 16 10:19:58 lardman http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203514#post203514 Jul 16 10:20:03 wnd: so, the problem is, when installing an updated version of a system package (say, xserver-xomap with rotation support), the "locked version" (osso-software-version-rx34) blocks it Jul 16 10:20:10 I can't copy& paste :( Jul 16 10:20:28 wnd: so, what your package would need to do is depend on the -unlocked version of the same package Jul 16 10:20:29 BUT Jul 16 10:21:20 lcuk_work: ok, found it; we'll see Jul 16 10:21:21 since you can't do any kind of complicated logic in package dependencies, there is no way to decide in the deps of your package whether it is going to be installed on an n800 or an n810, except by making two separate releases Jul 16 10:21:39 wnd: since you need to install the -unlocked package specific to the hardware Jul 16 10:21:47 wnd: that's pretty much the problem Jul 16 10:22:03 * wnd nods Jul 16 10:22:23 wnd: my solution was to make a generic version of the unlocked meta-package that would perform the logic necessary to choose which to install, and do that as seamlessly as possible Jul 16 10:22:38 IE, http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8 Jul 16 10:24:05 lardman: just run the install_sbcenc.sh script Jul 16 10:24:17 lardman: and then i also have to do the kernel flash and reboot? Jul 16 10:24:17 right Jul 16 10:24:18 ? Jul 16 10:24:18 and you really want to create a package that installs osso-foo-unlocked without user's explicit action? Jul 16 10:24:25 GeneralAntilles, http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ Jul 16 10:24:44 wnd: user's explicit action would be necessary to have it install the new version of xserver-xomap Jul 16 10:24:47 wtfnavigator? Jul 16 10:24:47 GeneralAntilles, they've updated the downloads on the website as I request in my email. Jul 16 10:24:59 and if the user explicitly tells it to install that, then yes Jul 16 10:25:23 otherwise apt will, because of the locked software-version, hold back the upgrade Jul 16 10:25:35 so it does not just do it "automatically" Jul 16 10:25:36 imho it would be better to instruct user to "unlock" his copy of maemo, and only then install randr-enabled xserver Jul 16 10:25:42 crashanddie, :) nice result Jul 16 10:25:57 wnd: yes, opinions seem to be split right down the middle Jul 16 10:26:03 lcuk_work, I concur :) Jul 16 10:26:12 you are on a roll Jul 16 10:26:26 I'll post something on itT Jul 16 10:26:32 it seems that if a user WANTED to install a package that required unlocking, and they specifically tell apt to do it, then why make them do an extra step? Jul 16 10:26:58 ~updatedmaps is at http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ Jul 16 10:26:59 crashanddie: okay Jul 16 10:27:01 what if the user didnt know and just thought it was like every other package Jul 16 10:27:20 99% of the people who try to install it and see it fail due to locked software-version will spend 5-30 minutes on IRC or forums looking for solution, find out they need to install some unlocked package, and do it anyway Jul 16 10:28:00 I tend to think unlocking as kind of "no warranty -- if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" kind of action Jul 16 10:28:01 if the user is using apt... Jul 16 10:28:04 how sure are you its stable Jul 16 10:28:23 the package should not install without red-pill... Jul 16 10:28:31 or using apt directly Jul 16 10:28:44 so again, red-pill is the same warning already Jul 16 10:28:53 as is gaining root on the device Jul 16 10:29:09 really at that point it is more an annoyance than an obstacle with a reason to be there Jul 16 10:29:28 people see that as a way to get round nokia and not to do dangerous stuff to their device Jul 16 10:29:45 "heh look i got root" kind of mentality Jul 16 10:29:47 lardman: what all does this kernel include? xrandr? mmc speed? Jul 16 10:29:54 lcuk_work: and if they know how to use apt Jul 16 10:30:09 they are ready to break their device (or not) anyway Jul 16 10:30:11 or read it from irc or a forum Jul 16 10:30:27 no, they want rotation cos its a cool hack Jul 16 10:30:29 in which case they will continue to read the same thing about how to do the unlock in the same irc or gorum Jul 16 10:30:41 yeah, in which case they will still ignore any warnings Jul 16 10:31:24 just thought i would let anyone know... cannot do much on the community kernel side of things until i get a net connection at my new apartment, then i intend on puttin some time into it Jul 16 10:31:33 i mean, from my side i can see rotation as a simple package being great, but since it requires more than a normal app im a bit nervous Jul 16 10:32:05 lcuk_work: I am currently working on a meta-package called "rotation-support" Jul 16 10:32:34 cool Jul 16 10:32:38 and I have actually been CONSIDERING having it automatically flash the kernel in postinst >_> which I *do* think is horrible Jul 16 10:32:45 HORRIBLE Jul 16 10:32:50 wait, not emphasized enough Jul 16 10:33:28 ***H_O_R_R_I_B_L_E*** Jul 16 10:33:41 but yet i am still considering it >_> Jul 16 10:33:43 I see "unlocked" package as kind of acknowledgement, much like red-pill mode, that user agrees that he knows what he's doing. Jul 16 10:33:44 for ease of use Jul 16 10:33:55 and red-pill is required to install it Jul 16 10:33:59 so i dont see the point Jul 16 10:34:02 This message has been marked as spam Jul 16 10:34:21 "rotation_kernel_upgrade.metapackage" :) Jul 16 10:34:23 anyone here compiling in the n810 ? Jul 16 10:34:28 it's like the "Are you sure?" messages... Jul 16 10:34:40 rm_you, is there a difference between 800 and 810 kernel? Jul 16 10:34:50 darkterror46, yes Jul 16 10:34:55 once you click yes to the first one, no way in hell are you going to even read the next 5 in a row Jul 16 10:35:00 lcuk_work: i dont believe so, no Jul 16 10:35:02 not right now mind you, ive left mine at home today Jul 16 10:35:03 rm_you: the one on the sbc garage page is vanilla + dvfs patch Jul 16 10:35:13 rm_you: qwerty did an all-in-one though I think Jul 16 10:35:14 lardman: >_> so no rotation for me? >_> Jul 16 10:35:19 :) lcuk_work could you tell me how can i enable execution for the compiled files? Jul 16 10:35:19 OH i grabbed his Jul 16 10:35:23 i ahve it! yay Jul 16 10:35:51 chmod +x a.out Jul 16 10:35:52 darkterror46, where is the compiled binary stored. the chances are you have it on the FAT mmc2 Jul 16 10:35:56 see if you have the /sys/power/op_dsp file Jul 16 10:35:58 OH yeah that too Jul 16 10:36:06 in the mini sd Jul 16 10:36:08 gcc marks binaries as +x automatically doesnt it Jul 16 10:36:21 yes Jul 16 10:36:24 it does Jul 16 10:36:29 i get permission deniad Jul 16 10:36:30 it may be on a filesystem mounted noexec Jul 16 10:36:42 or fat(32) Jul 16 10:36:42 even when executing as root Jul 16 10:36:44 /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) Jul 16 10:36:50 ,nodev,noexec, Jul 16 10:36:52 darkterror46, try copying the binary to your ~ folder and giving it +x rights. the memory cards are usually formatted as FAT which does not have execute permissions Jul 16 10:37:03 ah Jul 16 10:37:32 can i enable execute permissions to the fat partitions? like in fstab? Jul 16 10:37:41 lcuk_work: the fact it's fat and the noexec are separate Jul 16 10:37:41 i have reformatted my mmc1 to be ext2 and work directly from there (look guys, i did something linuxy :D) Jul 16 10:37:57 lcuk_work: yay! :P Jul 16 10:38:00 so i could have made fat work? Jul 16 10:38:05 lardman: fiasco-flasher -f -F zImage ? Jul 16 10:38:07 yes Jul 16 10:38:09 yes, i think so Jul 16 10:38:16 rm_you: no Jul 16 10:38:24 thank you very much for your tip lcuk_work Jul 16 10:38:29 rm_you: you're flashing qwerty's kernel? Jul 16 10:38:34 yes Jul 16 10:38:44 rm_you: flasher -k zImage -f -R (iirc) Jul 16 10:38:54 err Jul 16 10:38:55 lardman, where is the +x stored in FAT file info? there isnt any space for it Jul 16 10:38:56 flasher? Jul 16 10:39:05 what package provides that Jul 16 10:39:14 ah, fiasco flasher, is that on-device? Jul 16 10:39:23 lcuk_work: usually all files on FAT are assumed +x Jul 16 10:39:32 lardman: yes Jul 16 10:39:41 lardman: last kernel flash I did was on-device Jul 16 10:39:52 rm_you: ok, I've never used that, I was giving instructions for the flasher-3.0 from maemo.org Jul 16 10:39:58 ah >_> Jul 16 10:39:59 you can safely ignore me ;) Jul 16 10:40:05 yep thats it :) thank you very much lcuk_work Jul 16 10:40:53 anyone know how to do on-device kernel flash? Jul 16 10:40:55 :) well thanks for that nugget of conflicting information. does this mean that i could have kept FAT formatted memory card for windows access but also execute from it? or is this an in theory the noexec flag can be removed on this device? Jul 16 10:41:04 lcuk_work: i believe you could Jul 16 10:41:12 lcuk_work: would need to edit the fstab to remove noexec Jul 16 10:41:32 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 Jul 16 10:41:33 might have been less painful in the longrun if i had a card with data on it Jul 16 10:41:36 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 Jul 16 10:41:36 lcuk_work: i do execution in fat partitions in my linux box so it should do the same in n810 Jul 16 10:41:53 in /etc/fstab Jul 16 10:42:01 i just heard it wouldnt and had to format as something that would Jul 16 10:42:06 * lcuk_work shrugs anyway Jul 16 10:42:07 lcuk_work: :( Jul 16 10:42:21 no worries Jul 16 10:42:25 thanks anyway - i really do learn something new everyday Jul 16 10:42:27 moo, gentlemen Jul 16 10:43:27 I think it is still not possible on n800 Jul 16 10:43:47 it's not using standard fstab Jul 16 10:44:22 RST38bis: ? Jul 16 10:44:30 cmon, no brick :P Jul 16 10:44:32 cmon, no brick :P Jul 16 10:44:52 * lcuk_work bangs his head against a brick wall Jul 16 10:45:16 rm: can't exec from fat partitions Jul 16 10:45:19 fsck, rebootloop :P yay, time to boot to internal, chroot, and fix it :P Jul 16 10:45:29 RST38bis: I can on my desktop Jul 16 10:45:32 fsck fsck fsck... Jul 16 10:45:32 hmm, I have a GError and it's code is 32. How can I find out which macro it refers to? Jul 16 10:45:43 only on desktop Jul 16 10:46:03 maemo does it differently Jul 16 10:46:37 srst, so i was ... right ... in what i said? Jul 16 10:47:13 * lcuk_work gets ready to faint Jul 16 10:49:52 lcuk: yep Jul 16 10:51:42 if i chroot into my SD card rootfs, and run kernel_flasher there, will it flash the kernel for THAT system? Jul 16 10:52:34 advanced backlight with hildon theme is cool Jul 16 10:52:39 :) Jul 16 10:55:11 any chance to add temperature and brightness gauges as two extra applets?;) Jul 16 10:57:16 temperature would be interesting as tooltip or something Jul 16 10:58:16 yeah, brightness gauge is in there, just not used yet Jul 16 10:58:26 gauge! make it a gauge! Jul 16 10:58:33 if someone helps me recover from a bad kernel flash, i'll work on it :P Jul 16 10:58:52 rm: i mean external brightness of course Jul 16 10:58:57 yes Jul 16 10:59:23 * RST38bis prays about rm to Cthulhu Jul 16 10:59:24 rm_you: make that settable too, please ;) Jul 16 10:59:43 * aquatix would love a slider for external brightness Jul 16 10:59:48 hehe Jul 16 11:00:26 rm_you: flasher -f -R -k zImage Jul 16 11:01:43 Gauges that don' spend your cpu time and battery when you don' need them would be nice Jul 16 11:01:57 i was using fanoush's kernel_flasher Jul 16 11:02:00 where do i get that one? Jul 16 11:02:08 XTLi, than ask people to stop doing them in python Jul 16 11:02:28 crashanddie: :D Jul 16 11:03:16 Hi ! Jul 16 11:03:17 best way, I reckon: activate them for 10 minutes (or any configurable amount of time) when they're tapped Jul 16 11:03:20 Maybe rrdb logger thingy if that could run economically Jul 16 11:03:23 erm Jul 16 11:03:29 it may not have been the kernel that was the issue Jul 16 11:03:38 i think it may have been something install_sbcend.sh did Jul 16 11:03:45 someone have already try to install debhelper on it device ? Jul 16 11:04:41 i ve some problem with Jul 16 11:04:42 dpkg : « ldconfig » introuvable dans la variable PATH. Jul 16 11:04:49 hello Jul 16 11:04:55 lardman: .... Jul 16 11:04:59 "introuvable" *shudders* Jul 16 11:05:16 oups ... sorry message in french Jul 16 11:05:32 i think he reads french :P Jul 16 11:05:38 rm_you: yep? Jul 16 11:05:39 cannot be find in varaiable PATH Jul 16 11:05:50 lardman: have to verify... it wasn't the kernel Jul 16 11:06:00 khertan, ldconfig is in libc6, not debhelper (iirc) Jul 16 11:06:03 s/find/found Jul 16 11:06:09 lardman: it was either your bluez-utils or something install_sbcenc.sh did that put me in a rebootloop Jul 16 11:06:15 hmm Jul 16 11:06:23 khertan, cava, tu galeres pas trop avec les accents sur le clavier de ton n810 ? :P Jul 16 11:06:23 verifying and isolating now Jul 16 11:06:25 crashanddie ? what does it mean ? Jul 16 11:06:30 I did try adding qwerty's become root business in the script Jul 16 11:06:55 dont think so Jul 16 11:06:58 i mean Jul 16 11:07:00 not the problem Jul 16 11:07:00 Khertan_n810: that it couldn't find the ldconfig program Jul 16 11:07:03 Khertan_n810, oh, you mean you get "ldconfig introuble" during the post-installation of debhelper ? Jul 16 11:07:11 crashanddie no, i use chr key pressed and the letterr Jul 16 11:07:18 lardman: to fix the reboot loop i chrooted into the rootfs and undid the script manually Jul 16 11:07:25 Khertan_n810, I gave up accents :P Jul 16 11:07:30 rm_you: it doesn't do anything else in particular Jul 16 11:07:32 lardman: can tell you in one second Jul 16 11:07:36 lardman: oh, did notice a bug Jul 16 11:07:42 crashanddie in the post install script, yes Jul 16 11:07:53 lardman: the script does not check to see if the sbcenc.o is already in the dsp tesk list Jul 16 11:07:58 it just appends it again Jul 16 11:07:59 Khertan_n810, you running diablo or chinook ? Jul 16 11:08:01 that could be it Jul 16 11:08:10 it was in there twice when i went in to remove the line Jul 16 11:08:11 crashanddie : diablo Jul 16 11:08:13 ah, yes that is true Jul 16 11:08:19 that could screw things up Jul 16 11:08:25 that is easy tho Jul 16 11:08:35 i m trying to make dpkg-buildpackage useable on my device Jul 16 11:08:37 just an if [ `grep` ] check Jul 16 11:08:48 ok, bluez-utils installed, still booting Jul 16 11:08:54 Khertan_n810, could you "dpkg -l | grep libc6" Jul 16 11:08:56 now to check after the script Jul 16 11:09:06 Ha ! No pipe on n810 :/ Jul 16 11:09:23 Can any body seen this error before? Jul 16 11:09:26 Nokia-N810-50-2:/home/user# bablu Jul 16 11:09:26 python2.5[1555]: GLIB MESSAGE default - don't know how to handle audio/x-raw-int, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)1, endianness=(int)1234, width=(int)32, depth=(int)16, signed=(boolean)true Jul 16 11:09:50 * RST38x breaks into diabolical laughter Jul 16 11:09:59 opendeep, you're probably missing a gstreamer plugin Jul 16 11:10:01 open: yes Jul 16 11:10:40 lardman: ran script... Jul 16 11:10:47 lardman: still booting Jul 16 11:10:47 ii libc6 2.5.0-1osso9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone d Jul 16 11:10:56 is possible that it being in there twice exploded it Jul 16 11:11:17 khertan, sudo gainroot, then "ldconfig" Jul 16 11:11:32 I am running .ogg files , what plugin I need to download? Jul 16 11:12:00 not found Jul 16 11:12:08 x-raw-int is ogg??? Jul 16 11:12:50 Khertan_n810, that's bad Jul 16 11:13:02 yes i know Jul 16 11:13:20 Khertan_n810, apt-file tells me ldconfig comes from the libc6 package, you have libc6 package, but still ldconfig is missing Jul 16 11:13:31 yes Jul 16 11:13:40 khertan, try reinstalling libc6 Jul 16 11:14:11 rm_you: you up and running yet? Jul 16 11:14:34 Khertan_n810: sudo gainroot; ldconfig Jul 16 11:14:38 Khertan_n810: Works for me? Jul 16 11:14:42 X-Fade, not found Jul 16 11:14:49 X-Fade, works here too Jul 16 11:14:52 crashanddie: Not on my stock install. Jul 16 11:15:03 arg i understand now it s a bug with path and script rootsh Jul 16 11:15:14 trying by ssh work Jul 16 11:15:18 ah Jul 16 11:15:38 Khertan_n810, ls /usr/bin/ldconfig Jul 16 11:15:38 It is in /sbin/ldconfig Jul 16 11:15:44 oh yeah, that's the one Jul 16 11:15:56 ouf ! Jul 16 11:16:31 Khertan_n810, Mhuwhahahaha, tu te sens soulagé là hein :P Jul 16 11:16:46 Is there a bug raised in Bugzilla for the SSL cert on wiki.maemo.org expiring? Jul 16 11:16:52 lardman: got me some pimpsteaks Jul 16 11:16:57 and now i will try Jul 16 11:16:59 Jaffa: We're already working on it. Jul 16 11:17:00 cool Jul 16 11:17:01 jaffa: should be easy to query :) Jul 16 11:17:05 :) Jul 16 11:17:07 x-fade: if there isn't a bug, please file it Jul 16 11:17:15 thx a lot for the help Jul 16 11:17:16 the reason for a bug tracker is to have a central point of contact Jul 16 11:17:32 irc is nice, but it's better for people to learn to check bugzilla first Jul 16 11:18:04 without irc i would go mad! Jul 16 11:18:06 god I hate hate the french language Jul 16 11:18:11 rm_you, poor you Jul 16 11:18:14 crashanddie: lol? :P Jul 16 11:18:26 you speak it natively? :P Jul 16 11:18:31 no, I don't Jul 16 11:18:40 ah Jul 16 11:18:46 thought you did Jul 16 11:18:55 It's nearly my mother tongue, yet, it isn't Jul 16 11:19:12 native english? Jul 16 11:19:21 native dutch/flemish Jul 16 11:19:21 must come back to work Jul 16 11:19:22 bye Jul 16 11:19:26 and thx Jul 16 11:20:25 lardman: still not quite there yet for video :/ Jul 16 11:20:29 lardman: slightly better Jul 16 11:20:30 err wait Jul 16 11:20:33 i forgot some kind of echo! Jul 16 11:20:36 what was it Jul 16 11:21:08 lcuk_work: i use liqbase every day.... Jul 16 11:21:21 lcuk_work: primarily as the fastest way i have of turning on performance mode :P Jul 16 11:21:30 haha Jul 16 11:21:32 very convenient Jul 16 11:21:32 don't we all ? :D Jul 16 11:21:54 rm_you: and with the decoupling? Jul 16 11:22:34 lardman: trying to find the echo command Jul 16 11:22:39 lost in scrollback <_< Jul 16 11:22:59 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=1934 Jul 16 11:23:07 echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp Jul 16 11:23:50 timeless: it was *very* easy to query [here] ;-) Jul 16 11:23:57 slightly worse i think :/ Jul 16 11:24:01 :( Jul 16 11:24:04 for video... Jul 16 11:24:16 yeah yeah... if you can reach irc. not all of us can. i can't often enough :( Jul 16 11:24:27 timeless: you should fix that :P Jul 16 11:24:32 rm_you: I'd be surprised Jul 16 11:24:44 lardman: i still dont know WHY Jul 16 11:24:50 it shouldnt be a processing issue at this point Jul 16 11:24:52 i switched from using corporate network to a wifi w/ a stupid login page Jul 16 11:25:01 (i'm here now, aren't i?) Jul 16 11:25:05 :P Jul 16 11:26:38 rm_you: are you doing objective measurements woth mplayer output? Jul 16 11:26:49 rm_you, :) it works well. just wait until i add brightness applet to it Jul 16 11:26:53 lardman: well... Jul 16 11:26:58 or subjective (like my sbc testing ;) ) Jul 16 11:27:10 very subjective, but VERY clear Jul 16 11:27:22 lardman: with software encoding, video plays FLAWLESSLY with a2dp audio Jul 16 11:27:34 yep Jul 16 11:27:39 and the very same video with dsp encoding gets about .25 FPS Jul 16 11:27:47 that's 1 frame every 4 seconds Jul 16 11:27:49 oh, really knackered hey? Jul 16 11:27:51 possibly less Jul 16 11:27:57 liqbase_adv_backlight_cpu_audio_hildon :P Jul 16 11:27:59 audio is still good tho Jul 16 11:28:05 hmm, perhaps some sort of MMU contention then Jul 16 11:28:31 lardman: yeah, i'm not exaggerating, or just saying "well, i THINK this performed better..." Jul 16 11:28:36 it is very unusable with video Jul 16 11:28:49 audio seems flawless tho :P Jul 16 11:28:55 rm_you: ok, that's interesting, I'll have to do some testing Jul 16 11:28:57 :) Jul 16 11:29:00 here Jul 16 11:29:12 http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi Jul 16 11:29:17 that is my test video Jul 16 11:29:21 lardman, that sounds like the cpu is throttling back down Jul 16 11:29:22 any time i need benchmarks Jul 16 11:29:31 I put CPU on performance? Jul 16 11:29:34 rm_you, have you tryied in in performance for this test Jul 16 11:29:36 can i LOCK it at 400mhz? Jul 16 11:29:37 ahhh right Jul 16 11:29:42 or does performance do that Jul 16 11:29:55 i have not ever tried it in ondemand actually >_> Jul 16 11:30:02 no, you can put it in performance, but doesnt the max speed get lower when dsp in us Jul 16 11:30:06 performance does that, and equally with the DSP running it should also lock Jul 16 11:30:20 ok well... Jul 16 11:30:21 if you do the echo command Jul 16 11:30:22 yeah... Jul 16 11:30:30 try in powersave - its what ondemand slows down to, but its consistant Jul 16 11:30:46 lardman: try playing the video i linked Jul 16 11:30:59 lardman, the echo command is what liqbase does :) Jul 16 11:31:05 if its the same echo Jul 16 11:31:24 lardman: it is VERY excellent with mp3 tho <_< Jul 16 11:31:32 not to get you down :P Jul 16 11:31:34 lcuk_work: different target Jul 16 11:31:52 rm_you: no, that's fair enough Jul 16 11:32:02 which are you altering? Jul 16 11:32:17 echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp Jul 16 11:32:20 lardman: in powersave, it still plays mp3 perfectly :P Jul 16 11:32:37 rm_you: it's probably not in powersave anymore though ;) Jul 16 11:32:42 :/ Jul 16 11:32:44 rm_you: check the actual cpu freq Jul 16 11:32:48 i tried to put it in powersave Jul 16 11:32:51 I remember I've seen somewhere a page with some very low-level details about kernel booting, flashing etc. Anybody remembers it? Jul 16 11:32:52 :/ Jul 16 11:32:56 dsp running probably overrides it Jul 16 11:33:13 where is cpufreq Jul 16 11:33:32 in cat /proc/cpuinfo ? Jul 16 11:33:40 there is another place Jul 16 11:33:45 isnt there? Jul 16 11:33:49 somewhere under /sys maybe Jul 16 11:34:00 "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Jul 16 11:34:27 cur_cpu_freq Jul 16 11:34:33 Nezumi:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq Jul 16 11:34:33 or similar Jul 16 11:34:33 165000 Jul 16 11:34:50 is there another? Jul 16 11:34:58 ah no Jul 16 11:35:01 I think that says what the scaling should make the cpu speed Jul 16 11:35:03 you are right Jul 16 11:35:05 it does switch Jul 16 11:35:10 to 400mhz Jul 16 11:35:28 it shouldnt do 400 when the dsp is in use should it? Jul 16 11:35:30 the other option is to just enable the DSP for low power mode and see how low it can be pushed Jul 16 11:35:40 lcuk_work: yes, with the kernel patch Jul 16 11:35:47 ahhh Jul 16 11:36:20 * lcuk_work goes for lunch Jul 16 11:36:55 well my real hope would be that the DSP could run and the main cpu could scale down Jul 16 11:36:59 and maybe save power? >_> Jul 16 11:38:10 rm_you: iirc there are popping noises if you change the DSP cpu freq while it's running Jul 16 11:38:25 rm_you: you might need to preset the speed you want to run at Jul 16 11:39:08 well heres whats happening with the CPU: Jul 16 11:39:26 with software SBC, mplayer is at 45-55 average CPU Jul 16 11:39:29 and plays smoothly Jul 16 11:39:46 with DSB SBC, mplayer averages about 35 Jul 16 11:39:57 but like 1 frame every 6 seconds :/ Jul 16 11:40:09 might i mention that the AUDIO is still 100% perfect Jul 16 11:40:09 ah, playing video Jul 16 11:40:12 :) Jul 16 11:40:24 all of my tests are playing video... Jul 16 11:40:28 since that is what is broken Jul 16 11:40:37 why would i test what works? :P Jul 16 11:40:38 what dhcp client does, the maemo use? Jul 16 11:40:38 The DSP requires lots of little data transfers, the video updates also require lots of transfers, I wonder if there's some contention issue here Jul 16 11:40:56 http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/vte-black.jpg Jul 16 11:40:57 make that 1 frame every 15 seconds Jul 16 11:41:01 interesting, how he does it Jul 16 11:41:04 rm_you: you were talking about mp3 and low power, etc. Jul 16 11:41:14 not for test data :P Jul 16 11:41:21 just a sidethought Jul 16 11:41:24 sorry it confused you :P Jul 16 11:42:27 np, doing some work at the same time :p Jul 16 11:44:11 hrm Jul 16 11:50:17 as a comparison point, playing the same video with esd audio out, mplayer uses ~35% Jul 16 11:50:24 same as with DSPSBC Jul 16 11:50:31 except with esp it plays right.... Jul 16 11:50:38 so, yeah. weird. Jul 16 11:50:46 *esd Jul 16 11:50:53 rm_you: do you fancy posting to the maemo-developers list Jul 16 11:51:02 not really Jul 16 11:51:07 it is very hard for me to send email ATM Jul 16 11:51:18 especially from the account that is signed up Jul 16 11:51:25 ah ok, well I'll see if I can do some benchmarking and get some feedback Jul 16 11:51:32 i will post on ITT all day long tho :/ Jul 16 11:51:45 did you get that video? Jul 16 11:51:55 ? Jul 16 11:52:13 the one i sent for testing Jul 16 11:52:43 that plays perfectly with esd and software a2dp Jul 16 11:52:53 no, I've not seen anything Jul 16 11:52:57 did you email it to me? Jul 16 11:53:00 http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi Jul 16 11:53:04 keep linking it in channel Jul 16 11:53:08 pretty much every day Jul 16 11:53:11 it is good for benchmarking Jul 16 11:53:14 ah ok, I've not really been paying much attention Jul 16 11:53:29 has some slow scenes and also ones with lots of movement Jul 16 11:53:33 and is only like 3 min long Jul 16 11:53:46 and a somewhat enjoyable song, depending on what you're into Jul 16 11:53:57 as a bonus since you'll be listening to it all day :P Jul 16 11:55:28 hrm Jul 16 11:55:35 I hope it does not contain tentacle rape scenes though Jul 16 11:55:45 LOL no :P Jul 16 11:55:54 * RST38h cant check from the phone Jul 16 11:55:56 only one anime girl taking off her shirt <_< but she has a bra :P Jul 16 11:56:05 so it's all good :P Jul 16 11:56:17 Hmm Jul 16 11:56:39 * lardman can't even download it on WinXP Jul 16 11:56:39 rm_you: good? how's only one taking off her shirt good? Jul 16 11:56:39 i wonder why the battery meter displays 3/4, when i've been using it for ~4 hours now without charging, in performance mode mostly, and it says i have one hour left Jul 16 11:56:40 lol Jul 16 11:56:41 ~lart WinXP Jul 16 11:56:42 * infobot stabs WinXP Jul 16 11:56:54 aquatix: lol, more like, SFW :P Jul 16 11:56:59 lardman: is my link bad? Jul 16 11:57:01 ah :P Jul 16 11:57:05 * aquatix downloads Jul 16 11:57:15 no, works :P Jul 16 11:57:26 rm: THE ESTIMATE MAY BE BASED ON YOUR MOST RECENT USAGE Jul 16 11:57:30 you know it by heart? ;) Jul 16 11:57:34 ~lart WinXP angry bees Jul 16 11:57:34 rm_you: no, my PC has been running for too long Jul 16 11:57:34 * infobot whacks WinXP angry bees upside the head Jul 16 11:57:36 sorry for caps Jul 16 11:57:46 RST38h: :P Jul 16 11:57:54 lardman: er, that's only possible with windows :P Jul 16 11:58:04 running a pc for too long... Jul 16 11:58:06 my usage is pretty much constant :( and it *is* in performance mode? :P Jul 16 11:58:09 yeah, needs a reboot every 4 months or so Jul 16 11:58:19 ok i'll ask again, does anybody know what dhcp client the maemo uses? Jul 16 11:58:26 doesn't it crash after 42 days anymore? Jul 16 11:58:39 or was that win98 :) Jul 16 11:58:46 rm: who knows what it uses to measure load... Jul 16 11:58:47 mattimo: must be some apt command to tell you Jul 16 11:58:55 i cry every time i see a tablet screenshot posted here that doesn't have adv-backlight running in the statusbar :P Jul 16 11:58:58 [something to do with the uptime clock rotating after 16 bits int was full] Jul 16 11:59:08 lardman: thanks I'll try Jul 16 11:59:10 mattimo: udhcpc Jul 16 11:59:11 * aquatix pats rm_you on the back Jul 16 11:59:13 may be doing WAIT if there are no tasks to run even in perf mode Jul 16 11:59:30 i wonder why not ALWAYS use perf mode <_< Jul 16 11:59:30 it does Jul 16 11:59:33 * RST38h knows he would do something like this Jul 16 11:59:48 mattimo, http://wide-dhcpv6.sourceforge.net/ Jul 16 11:59:50 udhcpc could that be? Jul 16 12:00:14 based on "dpkg -S $(which dhcp6c)" Jul 16 12:00:24 mattimo: that's what rm_you just said, yeah :) Jul 16 12:00:44 hmm, interesting Jul 16 12:01:09 most embedded devices use that Jul 16 12:01:15 i guess it must be lightweight Jul 16 12:01:18 Zaurus used it Jul 16 12:01:22 first of all I totally forgot udhcp, and second, dhcp on ipv6? eww. Jul 16 12:01:28 Nezumi:/lib/dsp/modules# apt-cache search udhcpc Jul 16 12:01:28 udhcpc - very small DHCP client Jul 16 12:01:42 rm_you: sry I didn't see it Jul 16 12:01:42 wnd: yeah, breaks Vista machines constantly >_> Jul 16 12:01:48 :P np Jul 16 12:01:55 wnd: and i have to fix them <_< Jul 16 12:02:27 is there a dbus interface to the udhcpc?? Jul 16 12:02:33 dunno :/ Jul 16 12:02:37 hmm Jul 16 12:02:40 well, it is time for me to SLEEEEEP Jul 16 12:02:48 was gonna do it *4 hours ago* Jul 16 12:02:54 ... thanks guys. really. >_< Jul 16 12:03:08 rm_you: thanks for the testing Jul 16 12:03:16 i'm back on my old sleep schedule now... and I worked SO hard to wake up at a normal hour :P Jul 16 12:03:18 lol np Jul 16 12:03:24 i want it working prolly more than you do :P Jul 16 12:03:26 udhcpc doesn't depend on dbus so I'd say no, at least not on maemo Jul 16 12:03:36 shit Jul 16 12:03:46 rm_you: I can't do anything for another week & 1/2 at least Jul 16 12:03:49 mattimo: what do you need to do? Jul 16 12:03:53 lardman: :( Jul 16 12:04:00 rm_you: am away, sorry Jul 16 12:04:00 I am trying to port the networkmanager used on most desktop systems to the maemo Jul 16 12:04:04 lardman: maybe I will hack at mplayer, see if theres anything i can do on that side Jul 16 12:04:16 lardman: compiling mplayer used to be my *hobby* :P Jul 16 12:04:18 before maemo Jul 16 12:04:23 rm_you: I'll try to post the benchmark to the list though so people can have a think about it Jul 16 12:04:25 mattimo: ah :/ Jul 16 12:04:33 and the networkmanader depends on dhcdbd Jul 16 12:04:48 mattimo: you could *maybe* try porting a different dhcp client Jul 16 12:04:53 what is a dbus interface for the dhcpd from isc Jul 16 12:04:56 but that could get very messy very quickly Jul 16 12:05:02 and might not be what people want Jul 16 12:05:03 rm_you: I know Jul 16 12:05:09 yeah :/ Jul 16 12:05:13 is not what people want Jul 16 12:05:21 suck. Jul 16 12:05:23 hola Jul 16 12:05:24 well, gl. Jul 16 12:05:30 thanks Jul 16 12:05:31 * rm_you sleeps Jul 16 12:08:27 hmh, does mysql-python fail if it's given an empty string as a parameter to execute? Jul 16 12:08:33 whops, wrong channel Jul 16 12:27:58 GeneralAntilles: It seems you will get your plugin working tomorrow afternoon ;) Jul 16 12:33:16 morning Jul 16 12:40:25 lardman, thats the quickest lunch on record Jul 16 12:40:45 8 minutes, you will give yoursel indigestion :P Jul 16 12:40:57 lcuk_work: yeah, I couldn't be bothered to walk home Jul 16 12:41:12 oh cripes yer, still no tyre? Jul 16 12:41:19 or do you normally walk Jul 16 12:41:56 I've got a new tyre (£100) and bought a spare wheel too (~£40 second hand) Jul 16 12:42:05 I try to walk when it's sunny Jul 16 12:42:22 and it was this morning, cold now though, so I've no desire to go out in it Jul 16 12:42:27 ;) Jul 16 12:42:32 heh, if i tried that it would take me all day Jul 16 12:43:09 lcuk_work, eating lunch? Jul 16 12:43:29 walking, it would be a 20mile roundtrip Jul 16 12:43:37 hm, /me works 65km from home Jul 16 12:43:57 that's... to far to walk ;) Jul 16 12:43:59 * lardman consults a map Jul 16 12:44:00 * johnx only knows how long the train takes Jul 16 12:44:09 60 minutes by car :/ Jul 16 12:44:24 maybe 55 Jul 16 12:44:39 google earth has a great point to point plotting thing, before i had gps i would use it to see where i had been Jul 16 12:44:52 aquarius-, get a faster car Jul 16 12:44:56 damn Jul 16 12:45:01 lcuk_work: i should get a faster road Jul 16 12:45:02 aquatix even Jul 16 12:45:08 my car is fast enough Jul 16 12:45:15 but there's no highway in between Jul 16 12:45:16 0.8 miles Jul 16 12:45:18 obviously not :P Jul 16 12:45:34 get a delorian from the future and fly Jul 16 12:45:57 or a personal helicopter Jul 16 12:46:08 * lardman apparently walks at 4mph uphill Jul 16 12:46:16 lcuk_work: even google agrees - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=Musket,+1967+Heemskerk,+Heemskerk+(North+Holland),+Netherlands&daddr=Den+Helder+(North+Holland),+Netherlands&sll=52.493292,4.691448&sspn=0.009642,0.018003&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=10 Jul 16 12:46:16 * lcuk_work thinks about nicking his dads microlite Jul 16 12:46:28 lcuk_work: hm, helicopter Jul 16 12:46:31 that'd be interesting Jul 16 12:46:36 google might agree, but my eyes dont Jul 16 12:46:47 lardman, uphill both ways? Jul 16 12:46:48 ? Jul 16 12:47:01 well it takes 12min up and 10min down Jul 16 12:47:03 big links blind Jul 16 12:47:04 20km by train but it takes 43 minutes (more at night) Jul 16 12:47:11 get a skateboard Jul 16 12:47:27 lcuk_work: yeah, sorry for the huge uri :/ Jul 16 12:47:33 lcuk_work: 12min up, 1min down, 4hours in casualty ;) Jul 16 12:47:41 takes me about 15mins one way, round the ring road Jul 16 12:47:47 lolol Jul 16 12:48:08 is the hospital down past work by any chance? Jul 16 12:48:25 takes me about 10min in the car what with getting it out of the Garage then walking from the far side of the car park after I park Jul 16 12:48:45 nah, hospital is on the other side of town, so no savings there either ;) Jul 16 12:48:53 i get told ill have a closer parking space if i turn in earlier Jul 16 12:49:08 s/Garage/garage - nothing special here Jul 16 12:49:45 lol @ llardman secret cave Jul 16 12:49:59 omg, you have turned welsh Jul 16 12:50:04 yeah, can't use the afterburners in town either! Jul 16 12:50:17 * aquatix would like to have some foreburners Jul 16 12:50:27 stupid people that drive too slowly Jul 16 12:50:33 Lardman and Ewan: Fightings the bugs for justice ! Jul 16 12:50:35 * lcuk_work wouldnt like burners near his after or fore Jul 16 12:50:42 cowcatchers s/cow/slow vehicles ? Jul 16 12:51:36 I see I am officially a layman in railroad terms :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_(locomotive) Jul 16 12:53:01 heh - i nearly fell for that: dont let xchat auto select the url, it cuts off the (...) at the end Jul 16 12:53:32 mgedmin posted a link explaining what a bob session was and it went to article about bbc birds of a feather sitcom Jul 16 12:53:44 im sat there wondering why hes gonna be talkin about essex girls Jul 16 12:53:44 lol Jul 16 12:53:45 s/bob/bof/ Jul 16 12:53:57 :P good point Jul 16 12:54:23 hi mgedmin \o Jul 16 12:56:05 has anyone else tried the camera_example code? Jul 16 12:56:14 in python yes Jul 16 12:56:18 it seems to run a lot slower than the other camera enabled apps Jul 16 12:56:26 the gstreamer stack was a bit hairy at the time Jul 16 12:56:33 no, lower the resolution Jul 16 12:56:35 hi Jul 16 12:56:42 hi mgedmin Jul 16 12:57:03 lcuk_work: ah, so the others run at lower res do they? Jul 16 12:57:18 more than likely :) Jul 16 12:57:42 best results come from lower res AND lower framerate: lower framerate allows more signal to noise Jul 16 12:58:24 there is also a limit to resolution where if you go above it, all the X stuff REALLY slows down disproportionally to expected Jul 16 12:58:26 lcuk_work: hmm Jul 16 12:58:46 Does the framerate really affect the camera integration time? Jul 16 12:58:51 if i had my 810 with me id post the tweaked and twiddled code Jul 16 12:59:11 effects how long the virtual shutter stays open Jul 16 12:59:33 i went from dark mostly grainy images to almost valid ones (at its lowest 10/15 fps) Jul 16 12:59:38 aaaaaah Jul 16 12:59:50 My own little part of paradise: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=argel%C3%A8s+sur+mer&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.992289,76.992187&ie=UTF8&ll=42.506998,3.005871&spn=0.00085,0.00235&t=h&z=19 Jul 16 12:59:52 lcuk_work: ok, I'll have a fiddle with it Jul 16 13:00:15 crashanddie: no way I'm typing that beast in by hand! Jul 16 13:00:26 lardman, I'll tinyurl it for ya Jul 16 13:00:34 use the python one, its quicker to play. you will find if you try nonstandard resollutionsor framerates it will just lock and not give errors Jul 16 13:00:50 lcuk_work: I want to do barcode recognition, so will stick with C I think Jul 16 13:00:54 lardman, http://tinyurl.com/58y4kc Jul 16 13:00:58 I've nearly converted my MATLAB code to C anwyay Jul 16 13:01:01 crashanddie: thanks Jul 16 13:01:28 lardman, im thinking just for testing the camera caps - at least then you will have POC to know it works Jul 16 13:01:56 lcuk_work: yeah, perhaps Jul 16 13:01:59 but if you get it working nicely in a little self contained module i would like to try that: i got image loading working last night from jpeg, i would like to scroll real live video Jul 16 13:02:07 crashanddie: you live in a ravine? Jul 16 13:02:21 lardman, nope, that's where I'm going to spend the day tomorrow :) Jul 16 13:02:38 crashanddie: I hope you back in rather going head first ;) Jul 16 13:03:03 Taking a day off coding and work, jumping in very cool water, that's coming out of the frigging mountain :) Jul 16 13:04:16 lardman, i never attempted the gstreamer stuff in c because i didnt know enough about the api to boil it down, but i know the camera gives raw images as yuv :) which is prefect for me Jul 16 13:04:28 perfect as well Jul 16 13:04:49 * lcuk_work must really get image scaling working Jul 16 13:04:56 lcuk_work: I think the pipeline does an RGB conversion, but then I might be able to eliminate that as I only need B&W Jul 16 13:05:17 yer you would be better getting it before its done RGB Jul 16 13:05:32 the more time you save then the higher resolution you will be able to get Jul 16 13:05:46 res isn't a big issue for a full-screen barcode Jul 16 13:05:52 but yes Jul 16 13:05:56 when you were talking the other day i did some quick examinations and could get barcodes in focus quite easily and quickly Jul 16 13:06:07 although the lower the resolution the less data I need to manipulate :) Jul 16 13:06:12 you probably don't need the full res Jul 16 13:06:21 with N810? Jul 16 13:06:24 can the camera scan in a lower res ? Jul 16 13:06:27 still - if its YUV initially, why convert to rgb to then convert back to Y Jul 16 13:06:31 yes Jul 16 13:07:10 I don't know if contrast will be good enough, but you might want to lower the res to speed up analysis Jul 16 13:07:40 (btw, camera won't work on my n810 anymore... it yells "can't open camera" and then quits) Jul 16 13:07:57 in which application? Jul 16 13:08:06 camera Jul 16 13:08:42 you've been screwing with your gstreamer stuff though Jul 16 13:08:49 aye Jul 16 13:08:52 btw Jul 16 13:09:07 I've completely broken my bluetooth card in my laptop, so it seems xD Jul 16 13:09:30 the bluetooth module from mine has been physically ripped off the motherboard :) Jul 16 13:09:36 ha Jul 16 13:10:02 I've been messing with the source code of bluez, in order to try to get more information about why the mouse didn't work Jul 16 13:10:04 god knows why someone would do that, but i opened the flap underneath and theres a trailing wire and the connector is ripped off and the module is missing Jul 16 13:10:22 tried a few things, didn't really work, tried reverting back to the ubuntu provided packages Jul 16 13:10:27 devices doesn't show up anymore Jul 16 13:10:36 doesn't work in Windows either xD Jul 16 13:10:47 put a livecd in and see what happens. it could all be you messing Jul 16 13:10:58 I did Jul 16 13:11:08 ubuntu 7.10 spots there's a bluetooth something Jul 16 13:11:30 but can't lock on the device (hcitool dev doesn't show anything anymore) Jul 16 13:11:44 I don't care though, didn't use it a lot Jul 16 13:11:52 gave the mouse to my mom, she'll make better use of it anyhow Jul 16 13:11:57 apart from for your mouse Jul 16 13:12:00 I'm going to open up the MX 1000 and make it work again Jul 16 13:12:22 i hope you have a vets license Jul 16 13:12:32 nope Jul 16 13:12:41 but I have a soldering iron and an electronics degree :P Jul 16 13:12:52 tsk tsk, surgery on little animals is cruel Jul 16 13:13:01 well Jul 16 13:13:08 it's been drowned in petrol Jul 16 13:13:14 can't get much worse than that Jul 16 13:13:30 it could, but you havent got windows vista so i wont mention that Jul 16 13:13:50 (I though my laptop didn't have any symptoms from that episode, the petrol lamp falling on the desktop... Figures my DVD drive is dead) Jul 16 13:13:52 anyway, must dash, got stuff to do Jul 16 13:14:00 yeah, same here Jul 16 13:14:10 ttyl Jul 16 13:14:11 back later Jul 16 13:14:22 cya lardman Jul 16 13:14:44 bye lcuk_work Jul 16 13:17:44 I could do with a scheduler so I can see which talks are on at which times at a conference, any thoughts? Jul 16 13:17:54 for about 4 parallel sessions Jul 16 13:27:47 WOOOOOT Jul 16 13:27:54 Repaired my MX 1000 :D Jul 16 13:28:33 what was wrong with it? Jul 16 13:28:55 short circuit Jul 16 13:28:59 draining battery Jul 16 13:29:02 kept scrolling up Jul 16 13:29:06 damnit Jul 16 13:29:13 I paid 50euro for a new mouse I'm not using :/ Jul 16 13:30:03 That's nothing. I once paid 80yen for coffee that wasn't very good :/ Jul 16 13:30:19 you still used the coffee tho, no? Jul 16 13:30:38 well, yeah, but only cause I couldn't put it on ebay Jul 16 13:31:19 :) Jul 16 13:31:24 80 sounds kinda cheap Jul 16 13:31:40 well guess that taking of the noexecute in fstab didn't help Jul 16 13:31:55 80yen is like less than half a euro Jul 16 13:31:58 no ? Jul 16 13:32:10 heh Jul 16 13:32:15 Jul 16 13:32:15 1 Euro = 165.471365 Japanese yen Jul 16 13:32:19 :) Jul 16 13:32:27 and yeah, it was really cheap coffee Jul 16 13:32:36 hehe Jul 16 13:32:53 most of the stuff at ~120Y is actually pretty good (to my inexact taste) Jul 16 13:33:12 XD Jul 16 13:33:32 johnx, you have spoilt your taste buds, you must pay at least 9000 Jul 16 13:33:38 but yeah, Pokka coffee. even the logo screams cheap. Jul 16 13:33:54 I'm pretty sure they have recycled coffee there Jul 16 13:33:56 "extra light" Jul 16 13:33:59 downstream from starbucks even Jul 16 13:34:05 literally.. Jul 16 13:34:20 hihihi Jul 16 13:34:25 lardman: Use a piece of paper? Jul 16 13:34:28 speaking about coffee, that ip -over-dns sounds cool Jul 16 13:34:48 that's old Jul 16 13:34:53 derf: yeah, I've got that atm, but it's 23 pieces of 2-sided paper Jul 16 13:34:55 * darkterror46 go get a really tasty short black Jul 16 13:35:07 lardman, derf is right: the paper they had for linuxtag schedule was great (of you can wait and see what scrolly goodness i come back with soon ;) Jul 16 13:35:21 lardman, nstx still works pretty good, but the speeds are godawful Jul 16 13:35:43 I don't have a server though Jul 16 13:35:54 lcuk_work, starbucks is pretty bleh. I'll take Tully's any day...(They're nicer there too) Jul 16 13:35:54 I'll just reply on the conference having free wifi somewhere Jul 16 13:36:00 s/reply/rely Jul 16 13:36:19 print to pdf and take that with you Jul 16 13:36:59 lardman, well, from my tests, I managed about 3KB/s using NSTX Jul 16 13:37:08 lcuk_work: paper's better than pdf though imo Jul 16 13:37:23 crashanddie: would do to download email headers while drinking a coffee Jul 16 13:37:24 depends on the device, but yer i agree on the whole Jul 16 13:37:34 crashanddie: I'll have to look into it later in the summer Jul 16 13:37:40 lardman, if you need help Jul 16 13:37:42 is it a masssssssive conference with lots of tracks? Jul 16 13:37:51 4 tracks 5 days long Jul 16 13:38:55 is it worth just getting the sched into notes and just use almost unformatted text? Jul 16 13:39:33 hey :D you could get 1 n8x0 for each track Jul 16 13:39:42 :) Jul 16 13:39:52 Hi guys Jul 16 13:39:54 lay them side by side Jul 16 13:40:08 would be a bit od a pita entering all the paper titles tbh, I may just stick with paper anyway Jul 16 13:40:09 hi there overflo Jul 16 13:40:46 uh huh, sometimes a non technical solution works Jul 16 13:42:24 right, back to it agian, i think i might shut off vnc again, i actually got some work done yesterday ;) Jul 16 13:54:57 :) Jul 16 14:09:11 So, the Presence icon is gone. I have two accounts set up Jul 16 14:10:42 Also, I cannot install Canola2, my device is mising the flash-and-reboot (=3) package and I cannot find it Jul 16 14:12:31 Dekaritae, for the second problem, try to run apt-get -f install Jul 16 14:12:48 for the first problem, maybe you disabled the presense icon. I thought there was a way to do that Jul 16 14:13:55 I think the problem is related to there being no Presence check item under Panels -> Status bar Jul 16 14:16:32 does anyone have suggestions on getting better gps? Jul 16 14:16:46 even with agps, it takes upwards of 10 miutes Jul 16 14:16:48 minutes* Jul 16 14:23:46 summatusmentis: using a 3rd party bluetooth gps ? Jul 16 14:23:58 i have been told they are some cheap ones Jul 16 14:25:29 melmoth: :-/ that sort of defeats the purpose of having the gps internally doesn't it? Jul 16 14:26:02 what you need to do Jul 16 14:26:09 is form a local internet tablet users group Jul 16 14:26:17 so whenever you need a gps lock Jul 16 14:26:22 and you get bored waiting Jul 16 14:26:26 waiting 10 minutes for a lock sort of defeats the usefulness of GPS in a lot of situations Jul 16 14:26:29 just rant with them Jul 16 14:26:33 and time will fly by Jul 16 14:26:44 * ShadowJK tries to get a lock indoors Jul 16 14:26:46 3 minutes and counting :-) Jul 16 14:28:02 went to rome the other week. only got a lock once on my n95 Jul 16 14:28:20 after about half an hour Jul 16 14:28:34 since you were roaming you probably didn't have data and then didn't have a-gps... Jul 16 14:28:37 johnx: exactly Jul 16 14:29:16 * johnx is going to get the most killer bt gps he can find Jul 16 14:29:40 johnx: I don't wanna have to carry around a dongle(thing) Jul 16 14:30:13 tape it to your body? Jul 16 14:30:13 I have a insmat SirfIII bluetooth gps dongle too, it's superfast and gets a lock in like half a minute as long as you don't touch it with your hand or move it Jul 16 14:30:17 they're really small Jul 16 14:30:49 6 minutes and N810 doesn't seem to have even managed to download almanac Jul 16 14:31:13 indoors? Jul 16 14:31:19 no surprise Jul 16 14:31:19 :) Jul 16 14:31:41 but it sees two birds, one at strength 35 and other at 32 according to maemo-mapper Jul 16 14:31:41 you might get something sufficiently fix-like in an hour or two Jul 16 14:31:58 yeah, that sounds about right for the n810 internal :) Jul 16 14:32:27 tbh, the sirfIII isn't getting anythign either Jul 16 14:32:29 * johnx feels no buyer's remorse over being an N800 early adopter Jul 16 14:33:06 lardman|gone, jaffa, and others re: hardware/3d/iva/audio etc quim has asked for a page/info to give to his nokia colleagues. ill get a draft together later and we shall hammer out some more bits if you are around Jul 16 14:33:18 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=203578&postcount=76 Jul 16 14:33:49 (unless someone else can do a 1st draft before i get back) Jul 16 14:36:12 once I opened maemo mapper, saved an existing track, and then saw that it got a fix almost as soon as the save was complete Jul 16 14:36:15 that was under 30 seconds Jul 16 14:36:18 I was very surprised Jul 16 14:36:44 I had last used the gps a day before Jul 16 14:36:50 and a few km from where I was then Jul 16 14:46:16 anyone used Internet Connection Sharing from a MacBook to an IT via AirPort? Jul 16 14:48:47 Hi I return bc; bc = gpscwp but while collecting in caller it is \xe8gps\xe8c\xe8swp like this why so ? why extra character like \xe8 coming every time Jul 16 14:53:29 Have a look onto code base http://codepad.org/vFMofAzi Jul 16 14:54:07 Hi Jul 16 14:56:13 Someone can explain me what can wake this error -> sh: bad signal name 's' Jul 16 14:56:15 ? Jul 16 14:56:42 it s when i try to build a package with dpgk-buildpackage on my n810 Jul 16 14:57:43 Post the full log Jul 16 14:58:16 hum :) Jul 16 14:58:26 right ... i ll rewrite it :) Jul 16 14:58:28 here Jul 16 14:58:34 It's easier because I can see which part is failing :) Jul 16 14:58:36 crappy shell ? Jul 16 14:59:02 busybox = crappy shell :P Jul 16 14:59:32 it tries to kill something Jul 16 14:59:46 "kill -s" Jul 16 14:59:59 i get /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 70: debian/rules: Permission denied sh: bad signal name 's' Jul 16 15:00:55 sounds like the busybox kill sucks. I'd try and extract the proper one from procps Jul 16 15:01:22 http://i34.tinypic.com/nyyae1.png - From nokia's default busybox config, me doesn't like :( Jul 16 15:04:01 KILL KILL Jul 16 15:04:14 now, who you wanted to kill? Jul 16 15:04:24 Begins with R and ends with h Jul 16 15:04:44 * RST38h does /names Jul 16 15:06:07 btw, if anyone has an example of using xv to get omap yuv buffer, I would appreciate it ;) Jul 16 15:08:30 Hmm, which is more preferred, -msoft-float or -mhard_float? Jul 16 15:08:40 soft Jul 16 15:08:45 Thank you Jul 16 15:09:10 there should be two options though Jul 16 15:09:26 lemme check Jul 16 15:11:43 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/ Jul 16 15:11:54 qwerty: here you go Jul 16 15:12:01 Cool, thank you, reading Jul 16 15:12:45 it is somehow not obvious, dunno why Jul 16 15:15:19 w32codecs where. Jul 16 15:16:29 localhost. Jul 16 15:17:13 German spam. Do they really spam in German now? Jul 16 15:18:14 RST38h, they spam in every language known to man. I get spam in Chinese, Spanish, and 1337 speak Jul 16 15:19:13 I really love the fake news ones Jul 16 15:20:49 johnx: what, like "Nokia announces new N900 internet tablet! Click here to pre-order!" ? Jul 16 15:20:51 johnx: sure sign of the world ending. yes. Jul 16 15:21:04 i was at a hyudi site and punched in my postal code for my winter adress, afrench nebourhood. google started serving me ads in french Jul 16 15:21:38 "Extend your penises (penii?) with an internet tablet from nokia" Jul 16 15:21:50 MangoFusion, nah, like "pope assassinated" and " Queen Elizabeth abducted in Tibet" classic Jul 16 15:22:08 smackpotato, automatic ad localization is often hilariously bad Jul 16 15:22:31 RST38h: is that the reason for buying yours? :P Jul 16 15:22:31 ah yes, got one here Jul 16 15:22:37 "Hillary suffers horror car crash" Jul 16 15:22:52 oh no! here horror-car crashed? Jul 16 15:23:00 "Warred Buffett taken to hospital by private jet" Jul 16 15:23:42 qwerty: definitely - two of mine were somewhat shorter than the rest and needed extension Jul 16 15:24:01 lol Jul 16 15:24:25 Hillary, Obama, and McCain all suffer horror car crash" Jul 16 15:24:42 man, everyone has a horror-car but me :/ Jul 16 15:25:14 I am still getting equipment-defiling arab cancer. Jul 16 15:26:23 apparently, it hasnt defiled that nigerian cyber cafe yet Jul 16 15:28:01 "compelling page", what does that page say? Jul 16 15:28:11 also getting lots of russian mail-order ladies - looks like spammers aint aware I can get those from retail Jul 16 15:28:57 has anyone got sound from a bloomberg video on mplayer. is there codecs i should be installing Jul 16 15:29:37 RST38h, what are you looking for? Jul 16 15:29:58 * lcuk_work 's batsignal was flashing Jul 16 15:30:05 smackpotato, run it from the command line and see what codec it tries to use Jul 16 15:30:15 lcuk: a code sample that shows how to init xv , get scr buffer, and show it Jul 16 15:30:29 liqbase Jul 16 15:30:50 * qwerty12 licks base. now what? Jul 16 15:30:51 yes but you did not publish the src yet Jul 16 15:30:55 its in the garage Jul 16 15:30:57 It's in the svn Jul 16 15:31:07 ah Jul 16 15:31:23 Hi to all .... since 1 week I have problem to see video on my N810 device. In the multimedia viewer the video is with wrong colour, size while the audio is ok. If I open the menu the video became ok. Any suggestion? Jul 16 15:31:55 lcuk_work: just out of question, did you make any improvements in svn compared to your last binary test release? Jul 16 15:31:57 I not know which package I update 'cause the previous week worked fine Jul 16 15:32:51 fixed a couple of bugs, changed a few little things and started to re-put in all the test modules i took out for cleaning up. Jul 16 15:33:11 i hated stopping to sort out svn though Jul 16 15:33:17 can i past it here Jul 16 15:33:21 skeen, may compile a copy later :) Jul 16 15:33:24 Trying to force audio codec driver family dspmp3... Jul 16 15:33:24 Trying to force audio codec driver family libmad... Jul 16 15:33:24 Requested audio codec family [wma9spdmo] (afm=dmo) not available. Jul 16 15:33:24 Enable it at compilation. Jul 16 15:33:24 Requested audio codec family [wma9spdshow] (afm=dshow) not available. Jul 16 15:33:24 Enable it at compilation. Jul 16 15:33:26 Cannot find codec for audio format 0xA. Jul 16 15:33:26 smackpotato: www.pastebin.com Jul 16 15:33:36 oops Jul 16 15:33:40 hm Jul 16 15:33:52 or www.slexy.org (before crashanddie gets a MAC-10 on me :P) Jul 16 15:34:15 Yeah I don't think wma3/9 is supported Jul 16 15:34:31 You wouldn't be able to use w32codecs anyway on a tablet. Jul 16 15:34:32 mk8, did you mess with seeing boot messages? did you flash a different kernel? Jul 16 15:34:54 qwerty12, does crashanddie have shares in slexy? Jul 16 15:35:10 lcuk_work: no idea, all I know is that he knows the owner :P Jul 16 15:35:12 lcuk: going to get the src tonight, when I get to real internet Jul 16 15:35:42 RST38h: if you want, I can tar.bz2 you a copy? Jul 16 15:35:47 RST38h, no prob what you aiming for? Jul 16 15:37:04 johnx: I not see any interesting message using dmesg Jul 16 15:37:28 mk8: did you install android? Jul 16 15:38:14 mk8, what I mean is: Did you try to make the device show boot messages at startup? Did you flash a kernel? Jul 16 15:38:16 qwerty12: yes Jul 16 15:38:24 Use my kernel v2 then. Jul 16 15:39:41 johnx: I use ssh connection to connect my laptop to the device and use dmesg to see the kernel message. Jul 16 15:40:26 ok, enabling boot messages can cause the same problem :) Jul 16 15:41:00 * qwerty12 really needs to fix the N800 android patch >.< Jul 16 15:41:23 qwerty12: ... the installation of android change the maemo kernel? So I suppose that the only choiche is reflash the device right? Jul 16 15:41:47 qwerty: phone. gprs. but will be able to get it tonight so thankd :) Jul 16 15:41:53 johnx: I not enabled anything .... but I not check it before try to install android on it Jul 16 15:42:05 mk8: No no, just flash this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21709 :) Jul 16 15:42:11 lcuk: if you check my site there is something called emulib Jul 16 15:42:15 RST38h: Ah :/ Jul 16 15:42:27 lcuk: it is kinda like thin sys friendly sdl Jul 16 15:43:03 cool, but you are in for an uphill slog if ts geared for rgb Jul 16 15:43:10 qwerty12: I have N810 not N800 Jul 16 15:43:26 I have seperate kernels for both Jul 16 15:43:30 I am aiming to add yuv buffer support to emulib maemo version so that all emulators run faster Jul 16 15:44:06 lcuk: I do not care what the color space is - using palettes anyway Jul 16 15:44:13 its not just for maemo though :) theres lots of devices with nice quick yuv but slow general graphics ;) Jul 16 15:44:33 palettes will leave you needing to write 3 seperate locations per pixel Jul 16 15:44:35 lcuk: then I will also add it to unix version Jul 16 15:44:44 lcuk: why? Jul 16 15:44:58 yuv mode is bitplane based? Jul 16 15:45:06 yuv is full 24bit color range with lower physical pixel density for chroma channels Jul 16 15:45:10 yes Jul 16 15:45:13 3 planes Jul 16 15:45:21 oh shit Jul 16 15:45:40 hence RGB is uphill.. Jul 16 15:45:44 hence me originally saying greyscale x11 would be doable Jul 16 15:45:51 ok. is there a chunky mode in which I can use direct screen buffer, rgb or yuv? Jul 16 15:45:52 without hardware conversion Jul 16 15:46:18 sdl uses mmaped region using 16bit rgb Jul 16 15:46:31 yuv by itself is ok but planar buffers suck Jul 16 15:46:41 planar rocks :) Jul 16 15:47:06 aaaaaargh..they are taking me away!!! Jul 16 15:47:09 1*256grey + 2*256 color Jul 16 15:47:36 3 reads per pixel for hw though Jul 16 15:47:53 3 writes per pixel to write it Jul 16 15:48:14 if you used the native epson YUV mode it would be even worse... thats interleaved in a really strange way Jul 16 15:48:23 lcuk_work, I paid for the domain name Jul 16 15:48:34 qwerty12, and I don't have a MAC-10 Jul 16 15:48:51 :P Jul 16 15:49:08 im aiming to get a flat 16/24bit buffer inside the omap2420 SARAM and use the IVA to convert that directly from RGB to correct YUV data in main memory Jul 16 15:49:20 flat 16/24bit RGB Jul 16 15:49:40 ahhh crashanddie so you do have shares in it Jul 16 15:50:13 lcuk_work, it's non-profit for all I know, atm Jul 16 15:50:16 so no, I don't have shares in it Jul 16 15:50:23 I will when he starts making some money out of it Jul 16 15:50:28 you do: 50% of 0 Jul 16 15:50:42 or whatever your share is ;) Jul 16 15:51:29 anyway, back afterwards. Jul 16 16:26:14 * qwerty12 can't believe that this was filed : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 :/ Jul 16 16:28:21 I just don't understand how much attention it got O_o Jul 16 16:28:44 bored geeks? Jul 16 16:28:44 :P Jul 16 16:29:02 yeah, I guess, but I thought the guy would get shot down pretty quick Jul 16 16:29:47 cows are a fetish of many geeks Jul 16 16:29:51 and when it's ascii cows.. Jul 16 16:29:51 :P Jul 16 16:37:44 Hi again ! Jul 16 16:37:51 hello Jul 16 16:38:15 qwerty12 are u here ? Jul 16 16:38:22 hi johnx Jul 16 16:38:24 Khertan_n810: sure Jul 16 16:38:35 haha @ubuntu bug Jul 16 16:38:55 comments are great too ;) "In theory, cows can not speak either. Which is probably why they're so tasty." Jul 16 16:39:05 u said tomorrow that u have successfully use dpkg-build package on n8x0 Jul 16 16:39:22 but i get some strange error Jul 16 16:39:29 I've never said that. Jul 16 16:39:47 qwerty12, you'll say it tomorrow :) Jul 16 16:40:05 ah oups Jul 16 16:40:14 Hehe johnx. Jul 16 16:40:18 i mean yyesteterday Jul 16 16:40:26 but maybe it someone else Jul 16 16:40:31 don t remember Jul 16 16:40:32 sorry Khertan_n810. I couldn't resist :) Jul 16 16:40:43 normal Jul 16 16:41:14 walking and writing at the same time is very easy Jul 16 16:41:17 :) Jul 16 16:41:32 If you are getting that sh bad signal message, I'd just extract kill from procps. Jul 16 16:41:36 on a cell phone link? Jul 16 16:41:41 Khertan_n810: if you tell use the strange error we might be able to help you.. Jul 16 16:42:15 johnx: lol Jul 16 16:42:21 @ cow Jul 16 16:43:17 cow: lol @ lardman :P Jul 16 16:44:07 /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 70: debian/rules: Permission denied Jul 16 16:44:24 in fact i really like oldschool ascii art ;) Jul 16 16:44:43 chmod +x debian/rules ? Jul 16 16:45:14 nope Jul 16 16:45:26 Did anybody receive the mail about the summit twice yet? :) Jul 16 16:45:36 Khertan_n810: what's the first line of debian/rules? Jul 16 16:45:39 it s already +x Jul 16 16:46:16 #!/usr/bin/make -f Jul 16 16:49:45 \o/ super rocket turbo boost power journey home Jul 16 16:49:54 X-Fade: i did not even get the first one :O Jul 16 16:50:19 hehe, well they were sent out twice :( Jul 16 16:50:55 jott, aint that because the flight from your house (which practically overlooks c-base) would take longer than just rolling out of bed and going downstairs? Jul 16 16:51:38 lcuk: an helicopter to c-base would be very appreciated. Jul 16 16:52:02 ill bring my RC one if you like, but since I know you aint a midget i think you will have to go on a diet Jul 16 16:52:36 note: would an umpta-lumpa consider the nokia as a UMPC? Jul 16 16:52:43 -t Jul 16 16:54:13 what is strange is the bad signal 's' Jul 16 16:56:03 Khertan_n810, i have dpkg-buildpackage on my 810: it works i think, but i had to clear out the clear script it uses _dh_clear i think Jul 16 16:56:42 i say it works: its found all the info, has built my package but is stuck at the "make install" bit, but thats because my makefile doesnt have an install section yet Jul 16 16:57:16 Cor, zerojay's resurfaced on ITT Jul 16 16:57:54 waah, the maemo.org ssl certificate expired today Jul 16 16:57:57 now firefox 3 is punishing me Jul 16 16:58:04 do u mean dh_clean ? Jul 16 16:58:12 Khertan_n810, yes Jul 16 16:58:13 mgedmin: X-Fade said they were working on it Jul 16 16:58:26 it fails because find on the n810 doesnt have the required params Jul 16 16:58:32 * mgedmin prods X-Fade Jul 16 16:58:33 i can live with a few extra tmp files Jul 16 16:59:15 the one thing to be careful of is to manually clean compiled binaries/objects and do a fresh build before release Jul 16 17:00:05 jott, would it be wise then to call make clean instead of running the full thing, i just vaped it instead of checking and removing the specific bits Jul 16 17:00:47 mgedmin: The maemo.org ssl certificate didn't expire. The wiki.m.o one did. Jul 16 17:00:49 or does it get cleaned before building anyway - i noticed it did do a full rebuild when i ran it Jul 16 17:01:09 hum ... Jul 16 17:02:13 this is not that Jul 16 17:02:22 Is the General about, or off on hols now? Jul 16 17:02:33 lcuk: why not point dh_clean to use a gnu find? Jul 16 17:04:30 GeneralAntilles, PING Jul 16 17:04:30 do u use fakeroot ? Jul 16 17:04:54 Khertan_n810, no, real root im on device. Jul 16 17:05:08 hum maybe that Jul 16 17:09:27 qwerty12, lack of knowledge was big and i just wanted to get past to sort the rest out. Jul 16 17:09:49 hey lcuk, you think timeless found anything interesting? Jul 16 17:10:17 lcuk: but it should be just one line to change.. :O Jul 16 17:10:26 and you already found the line :) Jul 16 17:12:30 i know i did jott, ill put it back another time Jul 16 17:13:25 Hi lcuk Jul 16 17:13:35 hi overflok1 :) Jul 16 17:13:46 Could I sen you some files Jul 16 17:14:09 through here or email? Jul 16 17:14:16 i don't know if this file can help you for IVA Jul 16 17:14:37 Here Jul 16 17:14:39 nor do i. Jul 16 17:15:06 go for it, but i dunno if i can open any other ports Jul 16 17:15:28 * lcuk sets virusscan to paranoid, prepares the grenades and hides in a bunker Jul 16 17:15:47 where are you from overflok1 Jul 16 17:16:23 Italy Jul 16 17:16:39 I'm overflo Jul 16 17:17:01 And you ? Jul 16 17:17:02 i know you are - you called in this afternoon as well, nice to see you Jul 16 17:17:07 im in england Jul 16 17:17:11 hi overflok1 Jul 16 17:17:15 Hi Jul 16 17:17:56 (lcuk's in the part where the accents are dodgy :P) Jul 16 17:18:11 * lcuk slaps qwerty12 and send him to his room Jul 16 17:18:33 * qwerty12 pulls out the knife Jul 16 17:19:07 OI! Jul 16 17:19:13 not amusing Jul 16 17:19:21 Nah, only joking, /me don't carry a knife anyway :) Jul 16 17:19:41 'Tis London mentality. Jul 16 17:20:29 lcuk: in the mail to you Jul 16 17:20:35 Anyway, think I'd start on someone from the North? :P :). That's why I got involved with zontar that time when he said you sucked :P Jul 16 17:20:49 iva failed, i think the arm one will as well. overflok1 do you wanna mail them Jul 16 17:21:02 ie properly to liquid@gmail.com Jul 16 17:21:08 Ok Jul 16 17:21:15 brb Jul 16 17:21:35 mmmm, bangers and mash :) Jul 16 17:22:38 How do I create a new page on the wiki? Jul 16 17:23:06 wiki.maemo.org/Foo ? Jul 16 17:23:07 where's GeneralAntilles when you need him!? ;) Jul 16 17:23:16 oh, just type it in? Jul 16 17:23:20 should do it Jul 16 17:23:52 Sent Jul 16 17:23:56 cool, easy as that, thanks Jul 16 17:24:07 Give me some feedback Jul 16 17:24:29 i will play tennis Jul 16 17:24:34 See you later Jul 16 17:24:50 overflok1: have fun Jul 16 17:24:59 hum lcuk still same error with root Jul 16 17:25:06 Anyone built the gstreamer bad plugin set? Jul 16 17:25:12 * qwerty12 would kill for xvid Jul 16 17:26:00 https://wiki.maemo.org/Opening_drivers_justification_to_Nokia Jul 16 17:27:03 what is the benefit of the 'sponsorship program' for nmaemo summit ? Jul 16 17:27:17 Does they pay for travel and hotel ? Jul 16 17:27:37 yes Jul 16 17:28:13 simon :) excellent ill do similar as you suggest for the 5mbit information - i dont think this needs drivers, just documentation Jul 16 17:28:37 well you could stick it on the same page Jul 16 17:28:52 hum could be interesting if i can have an holiday Jul 16 17:28:57 yes Jul 16 17:29:11 also people, pleas feel free to add suggestions to that page Jul 16 17:29:36 johnx: like your avatar :D Jul 16 17:29:38 it is a wiki so you can edit, but it would be easier for me if you just add comments Jul 16 17:29:55 qwerty12, had it for a long time :D Jul 16 17:30:03 I only just remembered to apply it Jul 16 17:30:09 * qwerty12 didn't notice :) Jul 16 17:30:24 yes, people in the channel. this is a very important document. we aim to document clearly the hardware and resources we need to allow full functionality of our devices. http://wiki.maemo.org/Opening_drivers_justification_to_Nokia Jul 16 17:30:28 is there a ftp gui port for maemo ? Jul 16 17:30:34 maemoftp? Jul 16 17:30:40 bye Jul 16 17:30:57 hm, I got two invitations to register for the maemo summit today Jul 16 17:30:57 i cant get on with https Jul 16 17:31:04 I've registered already Jul 16 17:31:12 mgedmin, it got sent twice Jul 16 17:31:13 dont worry Jul 16 17:31:17 and somehow I'm sure I'll get another two :) Jul 16 17:31:38 lardman_: i just s/OpenGL/OpenGL ES/ Jul 16 17:31:53 indeed Jul 16 17:32:08 otherwise it's a good start Jul 16 17:32:14 simon, should i send a mail to the dev list? Jul 16 17:32:37 might as well, also link to the ITT page where Quim asked where this was Jul 16 17:32:49 mgedmin: 18:45 < X-Fade> Did anybody receive the mail about the summit twice yet? :) Jul 16 17:32:56 the more eyes that look the better it will be Jul 16 17:33:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=203578&postcount=76 Jul 16 17:34:25 * lardman_ goes for a quick bit of Rainbox Six Vegas therapy, bbiab Jul 16 17:34:26 another question is the phrasing "Opening drivers".. maybe "deliver" or "supply" or something along the line would be more appropiate Jul 16 17:34:56 (so we do not imply in first instance that we want the source but only in second ;) Jul 16 17:35:07 yeah, bit stuck with that now though as it's the page url Jul 16 17:35:16 agreed jott, documentation and implementation details are more important than source Jul 16 17:35:17 it can be renamed ;) Jul 16 17:35:41 (and redirected) though i am not a wiki guru to know offhand how to.. Jul 16 17:35:45 perhaps just to "drivers_justification" then Jul 16 17:36:23 lardman_, :) go shoot some stuff Jul 16 17:36:43 i wonder how alt software fits in the whole puzzle .. Jul 16 17:36:50 https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 16 17:36:54 done Jul 16 17:37:00 hum maemoftp isn t really usefull can t change folder Jul 16 17:37:02 :( Jul 16 17:37:09 craftily hidden in the "Move" tab ;) Jul 16 17:37:59 error : can't change folder Jul 16 17:41:25 jott, Jul 16 17:41:53 hiya. is there a good cure for the dangling symlinks quirk with apt-get in diablo? or even a known cause? Jul 16 17:54:11 take a look at this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613 Jul 16 17:57:13 you can also get GNU find from penguinbait.com/find.gz Jul 16 17:57:30 and do this find / -follow -type l Jul 16 17:57:31 lcuk how did you say to fix "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/build: No such file or directory, Stop." ? Jul 16 17:58:06 when? Jul 16 17:58:24 a while ago, think you said to symlink it to somewhere Jul 16 17:58:48 you sure it was me - i dont know the first thing about symlinks Jul 16 17:59:05 oh man, lol maybe not :p Jul 16 17:59:12 last time i tried i almost blew my device up (i tries to symlink /dev to /media/mmc1 Jul 16 17:59:19 ha Jul 16 17:59:51 penguinbait, are you comin to the summit? Jul 16 17:59:59 nope Jul 16 18:00:21 I really cant afford it even if the travle and hotel are paid Jul 16 18:00:39 penguinbait: thanks. I've already tried the tweak posted by reiv, but it seems to make no difference. Jul 16 18:00:51 Atarii: "build" is usually a link to the kernel headers (or sources) Jul 16 18:01:30 penguinbait, :( shame Jul 16 18:01:43 maybe Maemo Summit 2009, Las Vegas? Hawaii? Jul 16 18:01:46 jott: https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 16 18:01:52 :) Jul 16 18:02:06 maemo summit 2009: martian winds Jul 16 18:02:30 Honestly Berlin is not on my list of places I want to visit, not to offend anyone Jul 16 18:03:11 i was underwhelmed about going before linuxtag, but i had the most amazing time: Berlin really surprised me. and the location is totally unimportant anyway - its the company you see Jul 16 18:03:44 i think linuxtag occured on the best days of this year so far: hot and sunny the whole time. it was amazing Jul 16 18:03:47 jott: aha, ill try the headers instead, thanks Jul 16 18:04:02 i wonder if it is good to ask for so much at once.. Jul 16 18:04:56 penguinbait: i feel offendend :P Jul 16 18:05:10 The whole spending a day flying to spend 2 days in Germany, then another day flying back,, Its just not that enticing to me. Its also kind of short notice Jul 16 18:05:38 i could go for hawaii Jul 16 18:05:40 penguinbait, you can stay for 5 days Jul 16 18:05:46 Sorry jott, I dont want to go to New York or LA either :) Jul 16 18:06:52 can we at least get a life sized cardboard cutout of these people and maybe use a projector to render a skype call onto the head? Jul 16 18:07:10 hehe Jul 16 18:07:46 lcuk: have you actually tried to investigate accessing the sram? Jul 16 18:07:55 where is it... ? Jul 16 18:08:02 this is what documentation is all about Jul 16 18:08:16 lcuk: drivers/video/omap/dispc.c atleast reads "#define OMAP2_SRAM_START 0x40200000" Jul 16 18:08:33 johnx: was it you who was excited about Android? Jul 16 18:08:34 well thats a start :D ill try there Jul 16 18:08:54 summatusmentis, more excited about it on a phone, but yes Jul 16 18:08:55 i thought all that was invalid though jott Jul 16 18:09:04 johnx: have you seen http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080715-googles-android-platform-not-so-open-after-all.html ? Jul 16 18:09:07 as in, not used for our device Jul 16 18:09:25 summatusmentis, not yet Jul 16 18:09:26 * johnx reads Jul 16 18:10:10 does we can use dpkg-buildpackage on it ? Jul 16 18:10:11 lcuk: i just stumbled upon this.. but so to say, the kernel source seems to reveal atleast some of the stuff ...:) Jul 16 18:10:16 summatusmentis, I'll read it in depth later, but it sounds like the same thing as Nokia pretty much anyways Jul 16 18:10:20 if no, it doesn t interest me Jul 16 18:10:43 things will either get more open after launch or I won't buy an android phone, simple as that :) Jul 16 18:10:51 well, I'm not sure how Nokia works, but it's disappointing nonetheless Jul 16 18:10:54 jott, im putting that in the discussion page, until its confirmed ill leave it there Jul 16 18:10:56 otoh i wonder if it is good to propose a list of things and not just target one specific thing (like only powervr) Jul 16 18:11:00 im testing now by the way Jul 16 18:11:35 summatusmentis, well, they had to give the SDK to skype before they gave it to users, otherwise there wouldn't always be a version of skype ready to launch with new firmware Jul 16 18:12:14 and how many users use skype? :) Jul 16 18:12:24 that's not the point :P Jul 16 18:12:43 lol, I guess it's fair. I was hoping Google would be more open though, you know? Jul 16 18:12:51 the same is true with gizmo and wayfinder maps Jul 16 18:13:00 google isn't really that open though Jul 16 18:13:21 they don't release source to their desktop apps either Jul 16 18:14:11 if they live up to their claims and put the whole thing under the Apache license after launch, then it's good enough for me. If not, I'll have to decide whether I want a different phone... Jul 16 18:15:00 I seem to have managed to corrupt maemo's email cache (or maybe an email config file) by hard resetting it. What do I need to do to reset the email app? (Right now it just segfaults) Jul 16 18:15:32 johnx: I know, but they should :-/ I want OpenMoko to succeed, and then it can be put on better hardware Jul 16 18:16:41 summatusmentis, well, no point in getting worked up now. There's nothing we can do to google except vote with our wallets (and later with development) Jul 16 18:17:33 johnx: no, I agree, still disappointing Jul 16 18:17:59 yeah. The article acts like it doesn't happen all the time though Jul 16 18:18:31 if you watch Nokia, even Canola gets the short end of the stick compared to skype/gizmo/wayfinder Jul 16 18:20:12 canola is a much better app than all of those :) Jul 16 18:20:22 ahh Jul 16 18:21:08 awake again :) Jul 16 18:21:12 * johnx attempts to build modest for zaurus Jul 16 18:21:21 rm_you, headed to sleep myself in a couple minutes Jul 16 18:21:40 zaurus hey Jul 16 18:21:54 yeah, we'll see how it goes Jul 16 18:22:12 right now, not so well Jul 16 18:22:12 all my zaurus are gathering dust ;( Jul 16 18:22:46 my 5500 is gathering dust, but I think I'll get it working soon as a dictionary/ebook reader/mp3 player Jul 16 18:22:56 maybe get a new battery for it if it works out well Jul 16 18:23:16 mine are both sitting on my dresser Jul 16 18:23:28 i'm trying to make a debug build of wlancond so i find out why it segfaults with my modified kernel, but getting bogged down building it due to difficulties with its dependency on cx3110x-module-src. does anyone have any tips for building wlancond in scratchbox? Jul 16 18:24:03 fnordianslip, get the cx3110x source. It's open Jul 16 18:24:05 Cobi: find the folder where it stores it's stuff and delete / rename it, maybe Jul 16 18:25:12 johnx: i\ve got the source, but get build errors when i try 'make modules' ... does the cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15 source have to built anywhere specific, or will my home dir do? Jul 16 18:25:40 Yeah, that worked, and what I was planning on doing. What I was asking for was the location for that folder :) - ~/apps/email/ is where it is by the way. Jul 16 18:26:01 fnordianslip, Uhm, I don't think it needs anything special. I built it a couple months ago Jul 16 18:26:22 johnx: well, night then >_> Jul 16 18:26:37 johnx: i'm sort of regretting moving to a "normal" sleep schedule Jul 16 18:26:39 <_< Jul 16 18:26:45 rm_you, I'll be on for a couple more minutes Jul 16 18:26:52 I want this damn thing to compile :| Jul 16 18:27:04 johnx: get the following kind of thing, which is odd, as the directory is there ... Jul 16 18:27:05 make: Entering an unknown directory Jul 16 18:27:05 make: *** SUBDIRS=/home/darren/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15/src: No such file or directory. Stop. Jul 16 18:27:30 strange Jul 16 18:35:42 back Jul 16 18:36:59 hi RST38bis Jul 16 18:37:32 ehlo summa Jul 16 18:38:28 lcuk: so,returning to that topic of screen buffers... Jul 16 18:39:17 johnx: might be a stupid question, but more likely to be a stupid me. i'm trying to build the cx3110x source with "make modules" in scratchbox. should i be doing something else instead? Jul 16 18:39:38 honestly, I don't remember quite how I did it Jul 16 18:39:54 k. no worries. Jul 16 18:39:57 there's a guide up on compiling kernel modules, though I thought I remembered using Debian tools to compile Jul 16 18:39:59 RST38bis, ive got my head in about 30 files at the moment Jul 16 18:41:52 alright, now I really need to sleep, night all Jul 16 18:42:45 if yuv mode keeps 3 tables and not one, using it for dynamic content is unfeasible Jul 16 18:43:06 what do you mean dynamic content? Jul 16 18:43:17 which leaves us with mmapped rgb buffer... Jul 16 18:43:49 https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 16 18:43:51 content that changes at 25fps Jul 16 18:44:04 RST38bis, read that - in the long run that may be better for you Jul 16 18:44:35 BUT, dynamic content as in needing to read pixels modify them and write back, or dynamic content as in clear screen and blit loads of sprites onto it Jul 16 18:47:20 lcuk: generating images pixel by pixel at 25fps Jul 16 18:47:20 not needing to read tthem of course Jul 16 18:47:20 16bpp rgb will be faster Jul 16 18:48:06 RST38bis, even 16bit you wouldnt have enough oooomph in the cpu to do more than a small screen per frame Jul 16 18:48:42 why pixel by pixel by the way: most games etc use sprites dont they? Jul 16 18:49:37 * lcuk can only think of things like fire and plasma type displays which need per pixel updates Jul 16 18:49:58 lcuk: emulators Jul 16 18:50:08 3d engines? :) Jul 16 18:50:17 lcuk: I write emulators. Jul 16 18:50:23 Basically everything _except_ sprite-based games. Jul 16 18:50:57 yes, but dont emulators emulat machines which used to have very limited graphics capabilities and used blitters and stuff to throw sprites around? Jul 16 18:51:18 jott, 3d rendering is newish :P Jul 16 18:51:36 yes but you still generate screen in pixels Jul 16 18:51:50 Newish as in 30 years old? Jul 16 18:52:39 anyways, planar mode won't do :( what do you know of that mmapped rgb mode? is it any good? Jul 16 18:52:52 use sdl and find out Jul 16 18:52:54 lcuk: Lots of the old games would do fun stuff like represent sprites by the asm code needed to blit them to the screen. Jul 16 18:53:24 So, you know, not exactly easy to pick apart and translate into a high-level blitting operation in an emulator. Jul 16 18:53:27 nice :D they used the same kind of hacks back then as we need to do for this device :D Jul 16 18:53:48 Of course. You thought this stuff was new? Jul 16 18:54:04 RST38bis, if you absolutely need a wholescreen pixelmap its gonna be slow whichever way you go about it Jul 16 18:54:20 lcuk: the wiki page does not provide any valid justification Jul 16 18:54:33 lcuk: emulators usually do not need 800x480.. Jul 16 18:54:35 no derf, i started with spectrums and character based sprites Jul 16 18:55:06 understood entirely jott - i said that up there ^^^^ Jul 16 18:55:06 lcuk: well, i wanna it to be as fast as possible ;) Jul 16 18:55:26 RST38bis, if theres no justifications then add some, or notes on the discussion page Jul 16 18:56:09 lcuk: i can write justification and a plan, but feel that it will be somewhat of time waste:( Jul 16 18:56:11 Guess Canola made it to Diablo Extras. Jul 16 18:56:43 RST38bis, why? if we get a fast full resolution RGB bitmap available wont you be happy Jul 16 18:56:44 basically, ine has to emphasize value to nokia not to community Jul 16 18:57:03 lcuk: no Jul 16 18:57:10 i hope to use the IVA to translate that once per frame wholesale into YUV and out to the epson Jul 16 18:57:34 lcuk: i don't think we will get anything out of this Jul 16 18:57:43 ok, i will try. Jul 16 18:57:57 i think its better to try than to sit on our arses doing nothing Jul 16 18:58:03 Lcuk have you program IVA? Jul 16 18:58:04 ga: with or without source code? Jul 16 18:58:08 GAN800: really? I thought only packages with sources could make it Jul 16 18:58:30 package source is included: they rebuild the package but one step says "copy this binary" Jul 16 18:58:39 X-Fade set up a non-free queue a few days ago Jul 16 18:58:42 overflok1, not yet, but i hope to Jul 16 18:58:43 bleah. Jul 16 18:58:43 * mgedmin is still trying to decide whether to stay for 3 or for 5 nights in berlin... Jul 16 18:59:02 ga: does it let you dput? Jul 16 18:59:02 lcuk, you sure about that? ;) Jul 16 18:59:04 lol mgedmin if you arent going to the osim thing is 5 needed Jul 16 18:59:16 GAN800, that was the last info i heard Jul 16 18:59:26 RST38bis, as far as I'm aware. Jul 16 18:59:26 that's the thing: I don't know if I'm going to the osim thing Jul 16 18:59:50 lcuk, there's an actual process for submitting non-free stuff now. Jul 16 19:00:31 cool Jul 16 19:00:50 so map andskype can go through as well then i gather Jul 16 19:01:25 They're not Extras. Jul 16 19:01:36 Those are handled through tableteer. Jul 16 19:07:21 lcuk: I just tried the liqbase playtest.... I love you Jul 16 19:08:37 lolololololol Jul 16 19:08:40 you should Jul 16 19:09:16 it's beautiful... I want editing capabilities :) Jul 16 19:10:01 has anyone attempted to build gphoto2 for maemo? Jul 16 19:10:51 heh, theres so many things that i am trying to get time to put in :) ive worked with vectors and strokes for ages, just think of it like a jott pad for now and write notes legibly and you might discover a new use for them in the near future Jul 16 19:11:12 every single stroke is saved and given a large enough sample size your own hwr will emerge :) Jul 16 19:12:09 hmm... intriguing... still, very exciting Jul 16 19:12:25 jott pad :O Jul 16 19:12:32 lcuk, what did you need me for? Jul 16 19:12:34 summatusmentis, i use it every day and make notes and ideas - my graffiti wall stretches back to before linuxtag Jul 16 19:12:38 Awesome, X-Fade. :D Jul 16 19:12:55 GeneralAntilles, lardman wanted to start a wikipage and didnt know how Jul 16 19:13:02 Oh Jul 16 19:13:04 Ha Jul 16 19:13:14 That process is probably too simple for its own good. Jul 16 19:13:48 yes, its ok Jul 16 19:14:35 GeneralAntilles, see if you can work a bit of magic: https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 16 19:14:45 lcuk: cool, I'll play with it some more. Excellent job Jul 16 19:14:49 Yeah, just went through the recent changes, one sec. Jul 16 19:16:04 GeneralAntilles: pushing 0.13 through autobuilder Jul 16 19:16:20 0.13 ooh :) Jul 16 19:16:43 jott: yeah, decided that even though we didnt REALLY release a 0.12, it existed as distinct Jul 16 19:17:31 hot Jul 16 19:17:38 Atarii: soon will have a test package for you Jul 16 19:17:45 Atarii: i put in a workaround for 124+ crash Jul 16 19:17:53 ah nice :p Jul 16 19:17:53 it *was* 124+ right? Jul 16 19:17:55 yea Jul 16 19:17:58 k Jul 16 19:18:00 well... Jul 16 19:18:13 you are just limited to [01]-123 now :P Jul 16 19:18:26 simple enough Jul 16 19:18:27 rm_you: have you implemented the on-release stuff? Jul 16 19:20:37 hello i want to mod the init_fs to have a boot menu using fanoush's bootmenu hack and i want to embedd my name into the initfs, but before i start i want to know what would happen if the init_fs was courrpted? and would i be able to recover it by reflashing it? Jul 16 19:21:15 xnt: yes a reflash will overwrite initfs Jul 16 19:21:31 xnt: i believe you can also JUST reflash initfs from the flasher-3.0 Jul 16 19:21:34 anyone willing to try canola in diablo? Jul 16 19:21:43 etrunko: sure Jul 16 19:21:45 it's already available for testing in the extras-devel repository Jul 16 19:21:51 etrunko: i will grab it Jul 16 19:22:06 so if i somehow mess up the initfs i can recover? Jul 16 19:22:10 xnt: yes Jul 16 19:22:17 it is very hard to brick these devices :) Jul 16 19:22:20 yes canola 2 works in diablo Jul 16 19:22:21 okz... for some strange reason the youtube and last-fm plugins don't work atm Jul 16 19:22:34 thanks Jul 16 19:23:00 yea i installed youtube but it didn't show up Jul 16 19:23:36 rm_you: what's the best way to set the permissions on the backlight-level file at boot-time, making sure it is executed before the adv-b applet is initiated? Jul 16 19:25:37 ga: Sorry, I missed part of the discussion, how did Canola get committed to extras? Jul 16 19:25:49 Did they have to hack it to "build Jul 16 19:25:53 " binaries from binaries? Jul 16 19:25:56 btw i flashed diablo yesterday & i found some wimax/xohm icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26 and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable Jul 16 19:26:11 xnt: :P Jul 16 19:26:14 RST38h, talk to etrunko. Jul 16 19:26:37 rm_you, the option you're looking for is --flash-only=initfs Jul 16 19:26:43 yeah Jul 16 19:26:46 just saying, it is possible Jul 16 19:30:19 RST38h: there is a non-free queue Jul 16 19:30:33 ok i just found some 7 pin pads behind my n810s battery, and i just did a google search and i saw that it's a serial port Jul 16 19:30:42 in dput.cf Jul 16 19:30:45 [diablo-extras-devel-nonfree] Jul 16 19:30:46 ... Jul 16 19:30:53 incoming = /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo Jul 16 19:30:56 anyone have a clue on how to use them Jul 16 19:31:10 and is minicom ported for maemo Jul 16 19:31:46 RST38h: it also applies to extras Jul 16 19:31:56 thanks to X-Fade Jul 16 19:31:57 :) Jul 16 19:32:06 xnt: i'm sure it is, but screen works ok, for certain things Jul 16 19:32:15 ok Jul 16 19:33:02 i just read that it needs a ttl level converter Jul 16 19:33:48 i might use carman + serial port + level converter Jul 16 19:34:14 and i also have a obd2 scan dongle Jul 16 19:34:38 but its from china but it has an elm327 chip Jul 16 19:34:51 so im hoping it'll work Jul 16 19:35:47 http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:gSdGuXdQzeIJ:www.bu3sch.de/n810.php+nokia+n810+serial+port&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a Jul 16 19:36:10 etrunko: I see. Thanks! Jul 16 19:36:12 his site is down Jul 16 19:36:26 etrunko: Looks like I will be able to continue placing stuff there Jul 16 19:37:04 RST38h, I told you it would work out. ;) Jul 16 19:37:09 lcuk: I have added some stuff to wiki discussion Jul 16 19:37:25 GA: It is not considered to be worked out until I successfully place a package there =) Jul 16 19:37:30 lcuk: Check it out Jul 16 19:41:50 if you're successful you package may be somewhere in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/ Jul 16 19:42:47 RST38h, those are very interesting points on the discussion page Jul 16 19:43:50 * GeneralAntilles thinks it's quite indicative of the problem when somebody from Maemo Software doesn't know anything about the external bugzilla. . . . Jul 16 19:44:02 etrunko: and you can promote it to extras non-free using www interface? Jul 16 19:44:45 don't think so Jul 16 19:44:53 you upload to the extras non-free directly Jul 16 19:45:03 you are right to point them out, but we are not really looking at this point for nda level access, just clear documentation and binaries. (obviously if work comes from it its a bonus) Jul 16 19:45:28 i gotta dash, handing computer to the kids for a bit. Jul 16 19:45:38 ill be back later jott / overflok1 Jul 16 19:45:46 lcuk: A lot of times you can only do it via NDA Jul 16 19:45:58 So I suggest we always mention the NDA option Jul 16 19:46:06 i do agree with you however Jul 16 19:46:10 No need to be extra valiant here Jul 16 19:46:18 uh huh Jul 16 19:46:36 ill catch up with you after ive had a think n stuff later Jul 16 19:46:55 etrunko: even easier then Jul 16 19:47:38 RST38h: indeed Jul 16 19:50:51 * RST38h is fighting the urge to try it right away Jul 16 19:53:34 Ah, another 4 pages of uselessness from itT Jul 16 19:54:08 morning Jul 16 19:54:17 Hi, hrw. :) Jul 16 19:54:40 GeneralAntilles: you read itt still? Jul 16 19:55:16 oh dear god Jul 16 19:55:47 what is wrong with itt? Jul 16 19:57:34 hrw, I can't help it. Jul 16 19:57:41 It's like a horrible drug. Jul 16 19:58:33 RST38h: users, like always Jul 16 19:58:57 itt users have been relatively decent Jul 16 19:59:34 There's still a little inertia left over from back when itT was cool and useful that generates interesting threads every once and a while Jul 16 19:59:41 but those threads are few and far between. Jul 16 20:00:02 has any had problems with n810 touchscreen Jul 16 20:00:17 as it turns out, theres a whole group of devs i didnt even know existed because they hang out on ITT not IRC! :P Jul 16 20:00:18 on my n810 it just stopped working without any warnings Jul 16 20:00:20 :/ Jul 16 20:00:32 or so i discovered from qgil's post on the maemo summit thing about all the ITT users that should go :P Jul 16 20:00:47 karbas, I've got a friend who went through two of them with bad touchscreens Jul 16 20:00:57 His first one was just straight up defective Jul 16 20:01:12 GeneralAntilles: and I still can't believe he said basically "GeneralAntilles would be instantly accepted" and you still aren't going to go Jul 16 20:01:15 the second's panel connection probably wasn't seated properly Jul 16 20:01:21 karbas, RMA it ASAP Jul 16 20:01:22 GeneralAntilles, oh.. so some kind of typical problem Jul 16 20:01:28 GeneralAntilles, ok Jul 16 20:01:39 karbas, not typical Jul 16 20:01:42 karbas: yeah if it was bumped fairly hard and the connector was already loose, maybe it came unplugged <_< Jul 16 20:01:56 though I have taken my n800 apart a few times and the lcd connection always seems very solid Jul 16 20:01:58 I've heard of exactly two, now three, cases. Jul 16 20:02:06 rm_you, ok Jul 16 20:02:13 rm_you, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling. ;) Jul 16 20:02:15 err, well that would make the entire LCD fail if it was COMPLETELY unplugged... but loose, maybe weirdness Jul 16 20:02:18 Next year! Jul 16 20:02:18 is there any warranty seal inside n810:)? Jul 16 20:02:27 GA: 90% of anything is fecal matter. Jul 16 20:02:42 The Sturgeon law applies to ITT as well Jul 16 20:02:43 GeneralAntilles: FSCK your old family, WE'RE YOUR FAMILY NOW! :P Jul 16 20:03:06 karbas, don't believe so. Jul 16 20:03:15 But don't try and fix it apart. Jul 16 20:03:23 er, don't try to take it apart to fix it. Jul 16 20:03:45 heh Jul 16 20:06:43 N810 service manual mentions no warranty seal but like GA says, don't open it up. Jul 16 20:07:23 Mobile devices aren't designed for their repairability. Jul 16 20:07:46 You WILL mess something up and you WILL be out $400. :P Jul 16 20:10:24 re Jul 16 20:10:27 GeneralAntilles, ok Jul 16 20:10:30 Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage line 340. Jul 16 20:10:35 GeneralAntilles: lo Jul 16 20:10:36 Re and Hi ! Jul 16 20:10:37 :) Jul 16 20:10:39 normally opened phones for some fixing Jul 16 20:10:46 but not any slider models Jul 16 20:10:50 Hey, Jaffa. Jul 16 20:11:17 karbas, it's just not worth the risk when you've got a perfectly good warranty. ;) Jul 16 20:11:17 GeneralAntilles: seen the "TinyAVI Converter" thread on ITT? Jul 16 20:11:28 GeneralAntilles, jeah:) Jul 16 20:11:41 Jaffa, I've hovered over it, but never got up the energy to click on it. Jul 16 20:12:16 Jaffa, the creator of that proggie is on #maemo, fight it out live :p Jul 16 20:12:16 is it decent? >_> Jul 16 20:12:25 * qwerty12_N800 gets popcorn ready Jul 16 20:12:33 khertan_: probably need to do "chmod a+x debian/rules" Jul 16 20:12:44 KILL KILL Jul 16 20:12:57 [but don't forget to PLUNDER first] Jul 16 20:14:08 Hehe, Jaffa, exactly what I feared it was going to be. :< Jul 16 20:14:28 qwerty12_N800: I'll probably either one of 1) try getting some semblance of machine features working together on OS X, 2) watch some telly or 3) sleep after spending far too much time *last night* on (1) Jul 16 20:14:59 GeneralAntilles, gave just a tiny hit to other end of device and touch screen started to work.. but i'll take this to RMA some day Jul 16 20:16:09 NASA sent a memo to its employees at the Johnson Space Center asking for their urine so they, NASA, could use it to test the Orion space capsule. How much urine? 30 liters per day, including weekends. Jul 16 20:16:20 Are they using it for fuel? Jul 16 20:16:50 wtf Jul 16 20:16:56 "It's difficult to come up with a faux urine, explained NASA's Jim Lewis" Jul 16 20:16:56 RST38h: they sell it to pervs on ebay to gain funding for the space programme Jul 16 20:17:11 Sts: Not sure they will find buyers for THIS MUCH Jul 16 20:17:41 you never know.. it might be good enough for fields Jul 16 20:17:42 :P Jul 16 20:25:41 Jaffa, poor Victor just can't get anybody to bite. . . . Jul 16 20:28:35 GeneralAntilles: indeed :-( Jul 16 20:28:56 "Display is controlled via LCD controller using LOSSI interface (Low Speed Serial Interface)." :@ Jul 16 20:29:35 heheh Jul 16 20:30:51 can you charge the n8x0 through the usb port? Jul 16 20:31:15 no, you cannot Jul 16 20:31:24 too bad, thanks! Jul 16 20:32:25 usb port on the 810, np, usb port on a pc, yes Jul 16 20:32:32 np = no Jul 16 20:33:52 so the n800 does not accept power to it's usb? Jul 16 20:34:00 no Jul 16 20:34:18 but there is a cable to charge it from a usb port, plugs into the normal charge port of the 810 Jul 16 20:34:39 Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-1_armel.deb Jul 16 20:35:55 ah sound fun, I have an old nokia phone charger and an extra ipod charger.... Jul 16 20:36:35 buy the original cable Jul 16 20:36:38 so you wont fry shit Jul 16 20:36:41 google ca-100 Jul 16 20:36:41 rm_you, did you fix the permissions issue yet? Jul 16 20:36:50 GAN800: still no :/ Jul 16 20:36:54 GAN800: that comes next Jul 16 20:36:58 GAN800: I am thinking :/ Jul 16 20:37:17 Ah, then I'm not gonna bother to get the 770 out of my backpack. :P Jul 16 20:37:25 PFFT Jul 16 20:37:29 i need to know if it works tho Jul 16 20:37:31 >_> Jul 16 20:39:19 rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203723#post203723 Jul 16 20:39:21 lol Jul 16 20:40:05 heh Jul 16 20:40:24 win :P Jul 16 20:40:36 also Jul 16 20:40:40 * rm_you bows to GeneralAntilles :P Jul 16 20:40:48 M'lord :P Jul 16 20:41:06 GeneralAntilles, why are you unzipping your fly? Jul 16 20:41:08 rm_you: installed 13-1 , works fine Jul 16 20:41:22 lol Jul 16 20:42:37 lol? Jul 16 20:43:08 Atarii770: coolness Jul 16 20:44:07 rm_you, got a link for that kernel I compiled for you? :p Jul 16 20:44:22 why do shared folders on the network only show up randomly? Jul 16 20:44:29 qwerty12_N800: err, no, but I have the kernel and I can host it :P Jul 16 20:44:35 qwerty12_N800: give me a sec Jul 16 20:44:41 what do you want me to name it Jul 16 20:44:47 besides just zImage Jul 16 20:45:06 Atarii770: because windows shares are unstable and random :P Jul 16 20:45:14 call it whatever :p Jul 16 20:45:16 ah sucks Jul 16 20:45:24 qwerty12_N800: give me a version string! :P Jul 16 20:46:20 qwerty12suxmaemo4 Jul 16 20:46:30 zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp Jul 16 20:46:32 :P Jul 16 20:46:35 :p Jul 16 20:47:01 qwerty12_N800, is that build 1 or 2? Jul 16 20:47:35 no idea, ill take a punt on zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp-build2 Jul 16 20:48:09 qwerty12_N800: can the rotation changes be put into the 770 kernel? Jul 16 20:48:29 qwerty12_N800: sounds good Jul 16 20:48:52 Atarii770, It's provided by the lcd controller :/ Jul 16 20:49:00 XTL, thanks :p Jul 16 20:49:34 but it half works :( Jul 16 20:50:03 Atarii, good question. It works for OS2005. . . . Jul 16 20:50:15 Atarii, do you have an xrandr xserver installed? Jul 16 20:50:31 *Atarii770 Jul 16 20:50:45 yea Jul 16 20:50:52 qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-pimped-kernel-diablo-rotation-48mmc-dsppatch-9mm-ak47-l337-qwertyp!mp Jul 16 20:51:11 haha, thanks rm_you! :p Jul 16 20:53:14 i have the xserver-xomap meant for n8*0 Jul 16 20:53:22 installed* Jul 16 20:53:25 Nokia have a machine called trice. I've heard it all now :(... Jul 16 20:54:26 qwerty12_N800: fancy whipping up a quick 770 kernel to try? Jul 16 20:55:03 that has dvfs or whatever too right? Jul 16 20:55:54 24mmc also; my mmc cant handle 48 :( Jul 16 20:55:56 lol Jul 16 20:56:04 Atarii770, I know nothing about 770 kernel compiling :/. I also can't compile a kernel on an n800 :p. Jul 16 20:56:22 Be nice if Application manager would tell you what repo stuff is from. Jul 16 20:56:27 we'll have maemo sashimi in September, isn't it Jul 16 20:56:35 rm_you, well, if it didn't, your n800 would be a nice paper weight :p Jul 16 20:56:43 lol Jul 16 20:56:47 ah poop, anyone else able to? Jul 16 20:56:47 That'll be particularly important moving forward with Extras-devel. . . . Jul 16 20:57:05 GAN800: seconded Jul 16 20:57:14 rm_you, nah, i know what you mean and it does have the patch. Jul 16 20:57:18 poop? Yes. Jul 16 20:57:55 qwerty12_N800: http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation also Jul 16 20:58:04 if you want something more dignified :P Jul 16 20:58:05 GAN800, poke the hell out of m-vo :p Jul 16 20:58:19 qwerty12, have been. ;) Jul 16 20:58:26 i should really regiser a maemo-esque domain Jul 16 20:58:34 rm_you, hehe, too late, i've already wgetted the old one Jul 16 20:58:35 s/regiser/register/ Jul 16 20:58:36 rm_you meant: i should really register a maemo-esque domain Jul 16 20:58:51 just make sure it doesn't contain the word 'maemo'. Jul 16 20:58:52 rm_you: i just checked the 12-4 and max ==126 sorry Jul 16 20:59:07 OH Jul 16 20:59:08 GAN800, cool. i think that's a nice feature request. Jul 16 20:59:12 *THAT* makes much more sense Jul 16 20:59:13 gah Jul 16 20:59:18 thanks Jul 16 20:59:25 now I might know why that bug exists Jul 16 20:59:39 0-126? Jul 16 20:59:53 jaffa, ping Jul 16 21:00:03 fanoush' site says it goes to 127 Jul 16 21:00:20 yeah i dont think 770 includes 0 Jul 16 21:00:37 does *off* work? Jul 16 21:00:57 0? Jul 16 21:01:15 no just checked Jul 16 21:01:22 that makes sense Jul 16 21:01:35 kk Jul 16 21:01:39 "# General: SenseSurface sticks knobs onto screens (0) by jpramlak - 36 mins ago" - i lolled. Jul 16 21:06:51 Atarii770: it CRASHES on 126, or works on 126? Jul 16 21:07:05 works Jul 16 21:14:51 lcuk: pong Jul 16 21:16:30 lol, thoughtfix seems a little pissy about people's thumbing behaviors. . . . Jul 16 21:16:47 Though this is fairly awesome: https://maemo.org/profile/view/thoughtfix.html Jul 16 21:16:54 I had no idea negative karma was possible. Jul 16 21:17:29 GeneralAntilles : heh Jul 16 21:17:33 rm_you: 0 work on 13-1 Jul 16 21:17:40 works * Jul 16 21:17:56 * GeneralAntilles thumbed all of Aisu's posts for Donate button spam and general lameness. Jul 16 21:18:08 GeneralAntilles: -ve overall karma's gotta smart. Especially when you're trying to make it your business Jul 16 21:18:29 I've never seen his blogs get thumbed down that hard. Jul 16 21:18:33 Kinda impressive, actually. Jul 16 21:18:41 ~lart the "thumb" icon for looking like a comment speech bubble Jul 16 21:18:41 * infobot shoots the "thumb" icon in the head for looking like a comment speech bubble Jul 16 21:18:53 Ahaha Jul 16 21:18:57 lcuk's so blind Jul 16 21:19:24 * lcuk swings for GeneralAntilles but punches the wall instead Jul 16 21:20:02 jott, are you still floating around Jul 16 21:20:15 thoughtfix just doens't target the maemo.org crowd. Jul 16 21:20:36 ~lart watchdog and crap cpufreq Jul 16 21:20:37 * infobot squeezes watchdog and crap cpufreq till watchdog and crap cpufreq turns blue like papa smurf Jul 16 21:21:24 qwerty12_N800, ?? Jul 16 21:22:27 the cpufreq didn't work great enough and watchdog decided to reboot my n800 for being too slow. Jul 16 21:22:43 ahhh, but the watchdog works faster as well Jul 16 21:22:49 when I have my custom kernel installed, which breaks wlancond, by the way, i can no longer boot from my SD card using the boot menu. it tries but falls back to booting from flash. when i reflash my stock kernel, i can boot from sd again. any ideas why this might be? now i've nobbled wlancond to stop it from segfaulting until the device reboots, i need access to the dev tools on the sd card. Jul 16 21:26:11 wlancond broke for me when i used a custom version string. i really should apt-get source osso-wlan and see what it's problem is. Jul 16 21:28:04 its sgefaulting in get_we_device_name() in dbus-handler.c for me Jul 16 21:28:13 segfaulting, even Jul 16 21:28:28 lcuk: yeah i'm here Jul 16 21:29:07 have you looked at the talk page, fanoush says the SRAM buffer is used already by the built in media player Jul 16 21:29:15 fnordianslip, you may wish to ssh in when bootmenu is running and trying to pivot_root etc manually. alternatively, boot into flash and chroot to the sd card. Jul 16 21:29:45 and your dev tools will be there etc Jul 16 21:30:24 qwerty12_N800: i wonder why it is different though with the custom kernel. good point about the chrooting Jul 16 21:31:00 what have you added/removed/changed in the custom kernel? Jul 16 21:31:19 i've added support for AX.25 networking Jul 16 21:32:19 Don't see why that would cause problems :/. what .config file are you using? Jul 16 21:32:46 the stock one. the diff is minor, but i did change the version string. Jul 16 21:33:46 did it segfault for you? Jul 16 21:33:47 lcuk: mh no. interesting. so it is usable indeed? Jul 16 21:34:53 well, if nokia are using it privately then yes it does mean its usable and useful, i would therefore like to know how we could use it Jul 16 21:34:53 fnordianslip, different version strings cause problems with wlancond but did you use nokia_2420_defconfig as your base .config? Jul 16 21:35:04 qwerty12_N800: yep Jul 16 21:35:09 even if all this just ends up being a gaming engine Jul 16 21:35:30 i just dont see how fanoush knows its there - he isnt nokia internal as far as i know is he? Jul 16 21:35:45 and the source to the media player isnt open Jul 16 21:35:50 lcuk, knows what is where? Jul 16 21:35:56 lcuk: well you can draw you conclusions if you invest some time Jul 16 21:36:00 qwerty12_N800: the freshly built stock kernel works fine and the diff to my own .config is only about 10 lines Jul 16 21:36:04 https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 16 21:36:27 lcuk: I'm not so sure the 5Mbit buffer is *required* for the PowerVR Jul 16 21:36:28 (either by simply reverse engineering or by looking deeper into the kernel source) Jul 16 21:36:32 fnordianslip, i'm all out of ideas, sorry. Jul 16 21:36:49 qwerty12_N800: i'll try with the default version string Jul 16 21:37:08 lardman, it might not be required but it will surely help speed things along if all memory access is internal to the omap package for as long as possible Jul 16 21:37:14 i want maximum performance Jul 16 21:37:25 and it exists so why not try to use it? Jul 16 21:37:53 look at the boost you got by moving your dsp buffers internally instead of accessing sdram Jul 16 21:40:36 lcuk: sure, just the wording Jul 16 21:41:15 agreed, i do not know how to put myself over that well Jul 16 21:42:03 back, somewhat Jul 16 21:44:09 I've changed the wording Jul 16 21:44:17 don't think it's lost anything Jul 16 21:47:27 still editing that wiki page? Jul 16 21:47:59 yes RST38bis :) Jul 16 21:48:36 hey guys i have penguinbait's android deb installed but how do i rotate the screen? Jul 16 21:49:17 and is a terminal app available Jul 16 21:52:14 hey, lardman, have you opened a bug about a2dp integration? Jul 16 21:52:20 qwerty12_N800: i think it works with the default version string ;-) now to check that the kernel really does have the right features ... Jul 16 21:54:18 ok brb i going next door to subways Jul 16 21:54:54 cool. i'll probably try and have fun with osso-wlan. i feel like 2.6.21-omap1-qwerty12 :p Jul 16 21:55:37 change you name ... Jul 16 21:55:45 your name, even Jul 16 22:00:05 RST38bis: no Jul 16 22:00:32 RST38bis: But I had some worrying news today from rm_you, video + a2dp-dsp doesn't work Jul 16 22:00:42 should i open one? Jul 16 22:01:00 prob not until I work out what's up Jul 16 22:01:15 ah, video is also using dsp? Jul 16 22:01:18 ok Jul 16 22:01:53 no, but if you use mplayer to play video & use dsp-sbc for output, the audio is fine, but the video is <1fps Jul 16 22:02:17 looks like it might be some sort of memory copy contention issue; as a first guess Jul 16 22:02:53 lol lardman - you both might be getting the same SRAM ;) Jul 16 22:02:57 weird Jul 16 22:03:24 it sounds too drastic for copy contention Jul 16 22:03:29 lcuk: not the same, but perhaps the MMU isn't happy with the hit rate. I don't know Jul 16 22:03:48 DSP does lots of 512byte copies Jul 16 22:04:04 512bytes -> DSP; 76 bytes-> ARM Jul 16 22:04:22 so not optimimum in the grad scheme of memory copy things Jul 16 22:04:27 s/grad/grand Jul 16 22:04:31 was mediaplayer using all arm before - ie no dsp? Jul 16 22:04:53 mplayer was Jul 16 22:05:05 as the built-in won't do a2dp output Jul 16 22:05:35 sorry yes. what cpufreq is it set to - is mplayer being severly hit by the throttling? Jul 16 22:05:49 when dsp in use* Jul 16 22:05:51 no, set to 400MHz Jul 16 22:07:14 ahhh, this is the custom kernel thing isnt it Jul 16 22:07:31 what if you reencoded the video to something really low? Jul 16 22:07:41 usually it's pulled down to 330MHz so the DSP can run at 220MHz, but the kernel patch allows the DSP to run at 133MHz & ARM at 400MHz Jul 16 22:08:02 he tested with a video which worked with ARM SBC encoding Jul 16 22:08:15 so if you can't beat that, you're not doing so well :( Jul 16 22:08:34 bbiab Jul 16 22:08:42 :) Jul 16 22:09:16 cya later lardman|gone Jul 16 22:26:38 Why does sync have to be so difficult? Jul 16 22:28:59 I have re-written my calendars like 3 times this afternoon.. Jul 16 22:29:15 BTW, anyone else using openSUSE 11? Jul 16 22:30:00 too much adrenaline for this time of night Jul 16 22:30:11 Ha Jul 16 22:30:40 What are you playing on? Jul 16 22:31:03 the tablet?;) Jul 16 22:31:04 Rainbow Six Vegas Jul 16 22:31:07 ah no Jul 16 22:31:10 :) Jul 16 22:31:24 Nice dual core 2GB machine with 7900GTX Jul 16 22:31:31 Ah Jul 16 22:31:41 lardman, yes thats the specs of the tablet Jul 16 22:31:58 Give it another 5 years. ;) Jul 16 22:32:06 with PowerVR enabled ;) Jul 16 22:32:09 :D Jul 16 22:32:56 i wonder what it would take to make the tablet into an aux pad for gaming - showing weapon selection/maps etc Jul 16 22:33:07 With? Jul 16 22:33:56 with what? Jul 16 22:33:58 itself Jul 16 22:34:03 like the optimus maximus doofer Jul 16 22:34:08 lcuk: not a lot of things Jul 16 22:34:33 Weapons for what? Jul 16 22:34:37 A game of some sort? Jul 16 22:34:45 That'd be highly dependent on the game. Jul 16 22:34:46 lcuk: 1. find pc program that lets you control pc over wifi Jul 16 22:35:03 But any q3-based stuff would be a good candidate. Jul 16 22:35:08 Easy to hook into Jul 16 22:35:11 lcuk: write compatible client for the tablet Jul 16 22:35:36 optimus maximus has some windows based editor to assign keycaps to locations - something similar and feed it keystrokes Jul 16 22:35:39 ahhh cool Jul 16 22:36:04 Be cool as a moving map for X-Plane Jul 16 22:36:06 i use mine as a very basic tv remote now Jul 16 22:36:11 * lardman was thinking of Optimus Prime Jul 16 22:36:14 As the 2nd-screen moving map nukes my fps Jul 16 22:36:18 lol lardman Jul 16 22:36:23 I use mine as a TV. :D Jul 16 22:36:32 its a bit cramped Jul 16 22:36:42 i am sure ootimus maximus has a special valve to let excessive vapor out Jul 16 22:37:00 GeneralAntilles: X-plane will output UDP data so no need to nuke your framerate Jul 16 22:37:01 The Optimus keyboard is such a joke Jul 16 22:37:09 what i might REALLY want but never given it enough thought is playback of big pc movies through the speakers on 810 Jul 16 22:37:34 there is a us company that made such keyboards for years Jul 16 22:37:35 Good luck with the audio sync. Jul 16 22:37:36 just audio Jul 16 22:37:46 GeneralAntilles, mplayer has a sync adjustment option Jul 16 22:37:50 for professional musician market Jul 16 22:37:51 I can't imagine paying that kind of cash for silicone dome board. Jul 16 22:37:53 once configured it should stay Jul 16 22:39:34 im gonna vanish anyway, been a long day Jul 16 22:39:40 Later. Jul 16 22:39:53 gnite chaps (i think) Jul 16 22:40:03 same here Jul 16 22:40:09 sleep. Jul 16 22:40:11 nighty-night Jul 16 22:42:48 hi Jul 16 22:43:13 how can i set the default gstreamer audiosink to use? Jul 16 22:44:12 urgh Jul 16 22:44:20 Shopper's just gone beta :) Jul 16 22:44:23 by the built-in media player? Jul 16 22:44:58 philn_? Jul 16 22:45:27 if so, not quite sure, but you ought to be able to fiddle with the metadata somehow Jul 16 22:45:30 lardman: i've got my BT headphones working with the gstreamer sink: "sbcenc ! a2dpsink device=..." .. but how to make the other apps using that? Jul 16 22:45:34 not very helpful I know Jul 16 22:45:56 ah, well mplayer can use it, as can anything else that uses an ALSA backend Jul 16 22:46:24 how exactly you fiddle the built-in media player to do it I don't quite know Jul 16 22:46:30 i'm quite confused... alsa gst plugins doesn't seem available on my n810 (i'm using diablo) Jul 16 22:46:55 alsa directly Jul 16 22:47:04 not through gstreamer Jul 16 22:47:34 is there a doc somewhere explaining the maemo "media framework"? Jul 16 22:47:42 bug for this sort of configurability is what it needs Jul 16 22:47:43 yes Jul 16 22:47:58 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/getting_started.html has some clues on the metadata you might be able to edit Jul 16 22:47:58 because between mplayer, oms, etc... Jul 16 22:49:13 to get it working with a plain alsa backend, try johnx's a2dp deb Jul 16 22:49:30 esd... OMG Jul 16 22:49:47 http://74.86.202.247/forums/showthread.php?s=b23ed74d6aca03f203c05d9b7b704cd4&t=13468 Jul 16 22:50:09 weird, IP address not a real name Jul 16 22:50:39 i found that but the deb didn't install Jul 16 22:50:52 What are you running on? Jul 16 22:51:22 diablo Jul 16 22:51:30 I just got a updated canola youtube plugin notice, so I tried to update, problems! so I uninstalled, reinstalled the plugin, as well as canola, the youtube plugin no longer works, missing some stuff (canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2; flash-and-reboot =3; initfs-flasher .95?????????? maemo2 kernel-diablo-flasher =2.6.21) is there an easy fix to this? Jul 16 22:51:39 eh wait, no it's another thing that failed to install.. Jul 16 22:52:06 it was working fine Jul 16 22:52:07 philn_: hmm, worked for me Jul 16 22:52:34 Churl: dpkg -f Jul 16 22:53:00 perhaps, to fix your dep issues? Jul 16 22:54:52 lardman trying it Jul 16 22:56:01 apt-get -f install Jul 16 22:56:11 Googling the error will turn that right up Jul 16 22:56:17 It's a minor glitch with SSU Jul 16 22:56:19 Non-fatal Jul 16 22:56:38 lardman ok only thing missing now canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo2 Jul 16 22:56:55 yeah, it propted me to apt-get -f install Jul 16 22:56:59 very nice Jul 16 22:57:22 thanks GeneralAntilles Jul 16 22:57:48 time for bed, see you chaps on the morrow Jul 16 22:58:20 GeneralAntilles, that convo earlier, check out touch buddy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKv8KR8bX7w Jul 16 22:59:04 windows software which uses a touch screen for additional controls for games etc Jul 16 23:00:00 on windows screen? Jul 16 23:00:21 a little bit of tweaking and how about just using something like vnc Jul 16 23:01:03 linux only via wine though :( Jul 16 23:03:56 check out the vid, it just shows controls on teh screen Jul 16 23:06:13 Can you tether the n810 to Treo 755p? Jul 16 23:07:02 yeah that would be neat, using n800 like certain zelda for gamecube used the Gameboy Advance Jul 16 23:07:12 also, I use my n800 as a tv remote too :P Jul 16 23:08:36 GeneralAntilles: hate to bother you again, no luck with googleing "canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2" my last missing dependency Jul 16 23:13:40 oh, didnt one of the people from the canola team say that the youtube plugin for diablo canola isnt working yet? Jul 16 23:18:48 they always say that Jul 16 23:19:25 whats the best place to pull deb sources from upstream for diablo? i've just built libax25 with debuild for arm on my nslu2 from debian etch (which it runs) and want to try building it in scratchbox. Jul 16 23:19:52 and the masses always cry, "YouTube! YouTube! YouTube, seriously, we neeeeeeeeed to watch more vvvviiiiiddeoooooos of stupid stuff!!!" Jul 16 23:20:32 :) Jul 16 23:21:13 "MMMUUUSSSTT SEEE VIDEO OF MAN FALLING OFF ROOOOOOOFFFF" Jul 16 23:21:41 fnordianslip: i generally grab debian etch Jul 16 23:22:02 fnordianslip: or debian sid if I REALLY need something new, but usually i run into dependency problems with sid Jul 16 23:22:09 that'll be "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" then? Jul 16 23:22:21 i believe Jul 16 23:22:23 yes Jul 16 23:22:26 k. thanks Jul 16 23:31:05 hi all Jul 16 23:37:38 Proteous: I agree with you about youtube but I do like neat plugins Jul 16 23:40:18 still no luck with canola2 (>=2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 (I can find maemo1 while googleing) Jul 16 23:45:17 :) Jul 16 23:45:28 ok I have canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo 1 installed, where can I get maemo2? Jul 16 23:45:46 different repo? Jul 16 23:51:03 what are the differences between maemo1 and maemo2 in that canola package? Jul 16 23:51:23 good question! Jul 16 23:52:37 :) Jul 16 23:53:03 it's ok if no one knows, im not sure it exists Jul 16 23:53:42 i would like to know that too... Jul 16 23:54:42 but it is a dependency for the youtube plugin Jul 16 23:55:32 perhaps it not release yet Jul 17 01:44:54 <[yzf600]> howdy Jul 17 01:45:37 <[yzf600]> I'm trying to create a really simple app for my n770 (maemo 2.2) Jul 17 01:46:04 <[yzf600]> I'm familiar with GTK stuff, as I've created some GTK apps at work with perl GTK API Jul 17 01:46:39 <[yzf600]> I've got a GTK table, that I'd like to stuff a icon into a certain box Jul 17 01:46:49 <[yzf600]> instead of a button, label etc Jul 17 01:47:28 <[yzf600]> What type of GTK object would the icon be read into? Jul 17 01:47:45 <[yzf600]> I saw gtk_pixmap_new in the regular GTK+ API docs Jul 17 01:49:43 <[yzf600]> but the docs say it's been depreciated Jul 17 01:53:08 <[yzf600]> ah Jul 17 01:53:18 <[yzf600]> silly me Jul 17 01:53:25 <[yzf600]> image = gtk_image_new_from_file("available.png"); Jul 17 01:53:30 Churl, Diablo Extras-devel Jul 17 01:53:31 <[yzf600]> gtk_table_attach(GTK_TABLE(main_table), image, 2, 4, 0, 2, GTK_FILL, GTK_FILL, 5, 5); Jul 17 02:02:07 hi guys~ now i use the N800 as a server and monitor the connnect from the pc. The fault is "bind error : Address already in use" Jul 17 02:02:09 Jul 17 02:02:10 I add the SO_REUSEADDR and setsockopt function in my program.But it also have the same mistake.the same program in pc has no fault,why in n800 have these mistake? Jul 17 02:30:28 GAN800: already in my repositories **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 17 02:59:57 2008