**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 18 02:59:57 2008
Jul 18 03:01:12 <ShadowJK> Which model of WRT-54?
Jul 18 03:01:42 <yigal> G?
Jul 18 03:01:58 <ShadowJK> Yeah but which model of WRT-54G?
Jul 18 03:02:10 <ShadowJK> There are like a dozen different ones...
Jul 18 03:02:27 <yigal> johnx: how do I turn off psm?
Jul 18 03:02:43 <yigal> is it a driver, or control panel setting?
Jul 18 03:02:54 <yigal> both?
Jul 18 03:03:22 <pupnik> you can echo something to proc
Jul 18 03:03:35 <yigal> sounds reasonable
Jul 18 03:03:39 <ShadowJK> it's also in the gui when you setup a connection, behind a button called 'advanced'
Jul 18 03:03:41 <pupnik> turn it into performance mode
Jul 18 03:03:52 <pupnik> oh that... sorry i'm thinking of something else
Jul 18 03:04:09 <yigal> ok, I'll check it out
Jul 18 03:04:59 <rm_you> yigal: or it should be on the bottom of the wrt-54g :P
Jul 18 03:05:05 <rm_you> it will have model/revision
Jul 18 03:05:50 <yigal> no, I think I have to echo something to proc
Jul 18 03:06:10 <yigal> oh, no as I said before I'm using a buffalo router
Jul 18 03:06:34 <rm_you> oh right
Jul 18 03:06:42 <yigal> your using the wrt
Jul 18 03:08:06 <ShadowJK> Yeah and I was asking rm_you what model linksys he has :)
Jul 18 03:08:11 <yigal> so anything to echo to /proc?
Jul 18 03:09:38 <rm_you> oh
Jul 18 03:09:45 <rm_you> ShadowJK: WRT-54G rev2
Jul 18 03:10:10 <rm_you> also WRT-54G rev4
Jul 18 03:10:48 <rm_you> also WRT-300N rev1
Jul 18 03:11:20 <yigal> your a wrt man
Jul 18 03:11:54 <burnte> great routers.
Jul 18 03:12:09 <yigal> nothing better, cool runnings
Jul 18 03:12:19 <burnte> I have a 3.1 and a 4
Jul 18 03:12:25 <yigal> I got the buffalo as the next generation, but it runs hotter than it
Jul 18 03:12:44 <ShadowJK> I have a WRT-54GL
Jul 18 03:13:00 <rm_you> ah never had to get a GL
Jul 18 03:13:04 <rm_you> as i had the older ones
Jul 18 03:13:23 <rm_you> as an IT guy i come across wrt54g's a lot
Jul 18 03:13:24 <rm_you> the older ones
Jul 18 03:13:30 <burnte> yewp
Jul 18 03:13:30 <yigal> I had a GL but gave it away for the buffalo, doh!
Jul 18 03:13:34 <rm_you> and a lot of times they are broken
Jul 18 03:13:40 <yigal> really? wow
Jul 18 03:13:43 <rm_you> so i take them and reflash them with dd-wrt and the live again :P
Jul 18 03:13:46 <burnte> I use my 4 because I got it first, managed to get a 3.1 later on, it's my tester and backup
Jul 18 03:14:08 <rm_you> so many free WRT-54g rev2s
Jul 18 03:14:16 <rm_you> i gave a few away
Jul 18 03:14:56 <rm_you> johnx: OMFG!
Jul 18 03:15:03 <rm_you> johnx: modest finally loaded my mailbox!
Jul 18 03:15:46 <rm_you> it just takes a little over an hour to load it
Jul 18 03:15:51 <Medic119> You know all the NIT e-mail prgs have been so bad, I just gave up using them al together.. Just load G-Mail in the iPhone interface thx to UserAgent string
Jul 18 03:16:01 <rm_you> and each message takes about 30 seconds to open
Jul 18 03:16:24 <rm_you> ewww, this UI is icky tho... everything feels really cramped. I like all the tiny claws stuff better :P
Jul 18 03:16:33 <rm_you> claws-mail works wonderfully
Jul 18 03:16:38 <Medic119> Claws broke my Nit backups..
Jul 18 03:16:51 <rm_you> I don't do NIT backups :P so there ya go, lol
Jul 18 03:16:59 <rm_you> I use root on sd
Jul 18 03:17:02 <yigal> that darned ssh made me kill a screen terminal 1 of 9 that angers me a bit
Jul 18 03:17:10 <Medic119> lol.. If I could figure out a good way to flash-back my NIt I'd just SD backup
Jul 18 03:17:32 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 03:17:53 <rm_you> yigal: i've had the same window open with ssh on my pc->n800 for 3 days now
Jul 18 03:18:07 <rm_you> never disconnected, never times out, always responsive
Jul 18 03:18:21 <rm_you> stays running for 12+ hours while i am asleep, i wake up, start using it again
Jul 18 03:18:22 <Medic119> rm_you: didn't notice a CPU hit?  If I leave SSH running for along time my NIT starts to lag.
Jul 18 03:18:28 <yigal> psm saved the day
Jul 18 03:18:28 <rm_you> nope
Jul 18 03:18:35 <yigal> rm_you: no it's working now
Jul 18 03:18:36 <yigal> :)
Jul 18 03:18:39 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 03:18:43 <rm_you> no cpu hit
Jul 18 03:18:51 <rm_you> well, besides what it takes just, period
Jul 18 03:18:56 <Medic119> I use SSH a lot.  Easier than thumb-typing in X-term..lol
Jul 18 03:19:00 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 03:19:07 <rm_you> considering I develop on n800, yes :P
Jul 18 03:19:20 <rm_you> at least for python apps, i develop on n800 :P
Jul 18 03:19:23 <yigal> I'm thinking usb or bluetoot keyboard for n800 pretty soon
Jul 18 03:19:32 <rm_you> yeah i have a bluetooth keyboard but it is tiny
Jul 18 03:19:40 <rm_you> i need to get a fullsize one for home
Jul 18 03:19:40 <yigal> oh
Jul 18 03:19:45 <rm_you> and use my tiny one for on the road
Jul 18 03:19:48 <Medic119> I'll even SSH just to edit a script.  Its just that much easier..lol
Jul 18 03:20:31 <yigal> rm_you: sounds good, that's about what I'm looking for
Jul 18 03:20:47 <yigal> rm_you: thought n800 by itself would be what I needed but I'm addicted to the keyboard
Jul 18 03:20:53 <rm_you> heh
Jul 18 03:21:01 <rm_you> thumbboard is good but not for coding :P
Jul 18 03:21:09 <rm_you> it is usable just for daytoday
Jul 18 03:21:19 <Medic119> I Almost traded my n810 for an n800, but the non-transflective screen was the put-off
Jul 18 03:21:40 <yigal> that's the only downgrade in my opinion
Jul 18 03:22:12 <yigal> when I'm hiking, or some other sport outside it's a small bummer, but underneath a tree etc. works fine
Jul 18 03:22:26 <Medic119> Yeah, for my use, the D-Pad beside the screen is a big plus.
Jul 18 03:22:54 <rm_you> both have the same dpad don't they? :P
Jul 18 03:23:03 <rm_you> Medic119: you use Advanced Backlight?
Jul 18 03:23:11 <Medic119> But I love my n810 anyway.  I have the one handed keyboard flip acrobatic thing I can do now just to use the D-Pad fucntions in Microb..lol
Jul 18 03:23:21 <Medic119> Yea, I use Advanced Backlight
Jul 18 03:23:23 <rm_you> how does it look with backlight off and transflective sceen?
Jul 18 03:23:59 <Medic119> rm_you:  Haven't really had need to try it, but the screen looks a bit washed out in heavy sunlight regardless of backlight level, but its still pretty usable
Jul 18 03:24:16 <Medic119> Won't be editing phots in the sun, but for most else it works well
Jul 18 03:24:20 <rm_you> heh yeah
Jul 18 03:24:33 <rm_you> might be worth it for me in TX where it is ALWAYS ridiculously bright out
Jul 18 03:24:43 <rm_you> but so far it has not been worth the crippled storage
Jul 18 03:24:54 * rm_you <3s 2xSD
Jul 18 03:24:58 <Medic119> umm.. I am in El Paso where it never rains and is always hot and sunny..
Jul 18 03:25:15 <rm_you> heh yeah
Jul 18 03:25:18 <Medic119> no, in fact I'd prefer the two SD card slots to the MicroSD any day
Jul 18 03:25:23 <rm_you> San Antonio
Jul 18 03:25:33 <Medic119> I Love SA, was stationed there..
Jul 18 03:25:45 <rm_you> yeah, so far as I can tell, not even all the features of the n810 put together are worth losing the 2x SD
Jul 18 03:26:04 <rm_you> lot of N8x0 users in TX i think :P
Jul 18 03:26:19 <Medic119> I really have to wonder what idiot decided a "built-in" storage slot was better than two removable ones
Jul 18 03:26:24 <rm_you> we should have our own summit at the same time as the one in Berlin, and do a webcast linkup ;P
Jul 18 03:26:47 <Medic119> lol..  might be fun.  Been a long time since I did any UG like stuff
Jul 18 03:27:19 <rm_you> ... assuming they don't accept my request for summit sponsorship :P
Jul 18 03:27:21 <Medic119> I was tempted to take apart myn810 and attempt to upgrade the internal slot until I found out what a task that would be..lol
Jul 18 03:28:04 <rm_you> well
Jul 18 03:28:22 <rm_you> microSD has same pinout as normal SD, so you could maybe just switch the micro slot to a normal SD slot? :P
Jul 18 03:28:27 <rm_you> with a penknife and a soldering iron
Jul 18 03:28:29 <Medic119> My hopes for the n900 are a return of two SD slots, Heck even two MicroSD/MiniSD would work
Jul 18 03:28:39 <rm_you> just conjecture :P
Jul 18 03:28:58 <Medic119> Yea.  Me and surface mount we don't get along.  I am the guy who has two thumbs with a soldering iron
Jul 18 03:30:00 <Medic119> Now if I could arc weld the RAM in....
Jul 18 03:31:21 <Medic119> All-in-All add a transflective screen to the n800 and you have the best of the devices yet.  Don't really care about a GPS (and a poor one at that), Keyboard is just icing, so everything else is in the n800.
Jul 18 03:40:13 <yigal> I'm using a cell phone as a modem, which is a little weird carrying 2 devices all the time, but really it's not so bad
Jul 18 03:40:57 <yigal> it's the n800 so at some point I'll probably be carrying 3, gps
Jul 18 03:41:02 <Medic119> I like the two device thing.  One device is a lot to lose if it breaks, etc.  Not to mention I don't always want all the processor with me.
Jul 18 03:41:28 <yigal> Medic119: agree with you there 100%
Jul 18 03:42:24 <Medic119> Besides with the cell signal in my office.. one device would make life that much worse.  Nothing like having your head pressed into the window to make a call or send a text.  I keep Phonelink going so texts are just received on my NIT across the room
Jul 18 03:42:32 <rm_you> heh yeah, i've done my crago shorts spiel a lot :P
Jul 18 03:42:53 <yigal> cargo pants/shorts rock!!
Jul 18 03:43:19 <Medic119> I wear camo every day so I have lots of pockets to use..lol
Jul 18 03:43:25 <rm_you> n800 in the left pocket, cell phone / keys in the right, wallet in the back right, gps, bluetooth headphones and usb cables in the right leg, bluetooth keyboard in the left leg
Jul 18 03:43:51 <yigal> lol
Jul 18 03:44:10 <yigal> but so true
Jul 18 03:44:16 <Medic119> thats a lot of stuff to carry around
Jul 18 03:44:49 <yigal> I'm minus the gps but that's about it
Jul 18 03:45:21 <yigal> going to have to fix that also, pretty soon
Jul 18 03:45:24 <Medic119> I am a minimalist now.. Nit, cellphone, keys and a small notebook
Jul 18 03:45:55 <rm_you> never know when you need a USB cable
Jul 18 03:46:03 <rm_you> also, USB cable is for charging the gps/cell
Jul 18 03:46:10 <rm_you> which makes it triple use ;P
Jul 18 03:46:23 <yigal> exactly
Jul 18 03:46:24 <Medic119> cool enough.  I really wish the NIT had USB charge..
Jul 18 03:46:28 <dougt> is osso_initialize() required to be called by every application?
Jul 18 03:46:53 <yigal> dougt: it is?
Jul 18 03:47:14 <dougt> yigal: no idea.
Jul 18 03:47:18 <yigal> no
Jul 18 03:47:22 <yigal> it isn't
Jul 18 03:47:24 <dougt> our last build we are crashing.
Jul 18 03:47:32 <dougt> someone in one of the forums suggested that might be a problem
Jul 18 03:47:41 <dougt> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876
Jul 18 03:47:43 <yigal> oh, I shouldn't say anything
Jul 18 03:47:56 <yigal> there are many more knowledgeable folk here
Jul 18 03:49:04 <Medic119> later folks
Jul 18 03:49:25 <yigal> later
Jul 18 03:53:43 <timely> X-Fade: ping
Jul 18 03:54:32 <timely> dougt: if you want your app not to be killed then iirc you want to have called that :)
Jul 18 03:54:36 <timely> or something like that
Jul 18 03:54:43 <dougt> timely: !!!
Jul 18 03:54:51 <dougt> timely: thanks.  another question for you.
Jul 18 03:55:15 <timely> GeneralAntilles: someone, ping
Jul 18 03:55:17 <dougt> we have this idle server creature that lets things know when there isn't any user interaction.
Jul 18 03:55:20 <dougt> do you know how I determine that?
Jul 18 03:55:37 <timely> there's a notice when the screen saver wants to trigger
Jul 18 03:56:58 <yigal> rm_you: man I'm loving being able to ssh this is great
Jul 18 03:57:05 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 03:57:16 <rm_you> yeah, can't believe you were living without it!
Jul 18 03:58:39 <yigal> I can't either I felt so empty, now, well now I have ssh
Jul 18 03:59:03 <Dekaritae> Fring is not supposed to work on N800?
Jul 18 03:59:35 <mouser-> I'd like to get ssh set up as well.  I've been looking for tutorials, but some were outdated for the previous OS.
Jul 18 04:00:05 <rm_you> should be as simple as clicking the install fil
Jul 18 04:00:07 <rm_you> *file
Jul 18 04:00:30 <yigal> osso-xterm
Jul 18 04:00:41 <yigal> not so bad
Jul 18 04:02:23 <u1106> what kind of networking with ssh?
Jul 18 04:03:19 <u1106> saw IP over USB instructions on maemo.org the other day
Jul 18 04:03:21 <yigal> mouser-: what do you want to set up?
Jul 18 04:03:29 <yigal> that would be great
Jul 18 04:03:37 <yigal> I haven't done it yet
Jul 18 04:03:41 <yigal> that's for sure
Jul 18 04:03:50 <rm_you> meh, wireless FTW
Jul 18 04:04:05 <rm_you> of course, that does require that a wireless network be available :P
Jul 18 04:04:58 <yigal> or bluetooth, etc..
Jul 18 04:05:27 <rm_you> bluetooth to my PC would be interesting
Jul 18 04:05:37 <yigal> never mind bluetooth is wireless, just another name for wireless
Jul 18 04:05:50 <yigal> although different protocal
Jul 18 04:07:03 <u1106> and ~100 times less power consumption
Jul 18 04:07:10 <yigal> beautiful
Jul 18 04:09:46 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 04:13:23 <yigal> mouser-: seriously what is wrong with your ssh?
Jul 18 04:17:06 <mouser-> yigal: Just brand new to it and haven't figured it out yet, that's all.
Jul 18 04:17:26 <summatusmentis> are any of you skilled at kernel coding?
Jul 18 04:17:43 * rm_you glances at lardman|gone
Jul 18 04:17:52 <yigal> mouser-: have you installed osso-xterm?
Jul 18 04:17:55 <summatusmentis> he's gone >_>
Jul 18 04:17:59 <rm_you> I've always been meaning to start learning :P
Jul 18 04:18:02 <rm_you> but no :(
Jul 18 04:18:16 <mouser-> yigal: Uh, I've just got the regular xterm installed w/chinook
Jul 18 04:18:29 <summatusmentis> rm_you: d'you know anything about syscall()
Jul 18 04:18:30 <summatusmentis> ?
Jul 18 04:18:34 <yigal> I've compiled a few but that's as far as I've gone to working wtih the kernel
Jul 18 04:18:42 <yigal> mouser-: great
Jul 18 04:19:03 <yigal> mouser-: and the openssh client/server ?
Jul 18 04:19:07 <mouser-> yes
Jul 18 04:19:17 <yigal> that's all you need :)
Jul 18 04:19:20 <mouser-> yigal: trying to connect to windows xp box
Jul 18 04:19:39 <yigal> ah, to what type of terminal?
Jul 18 04:22:39 <yigal> cygwin?
Jul 18 04:22:40 <mouser-> yigal: You mean what is the client/server on the xp machine? I have winscp
Jul 18 04:22:40 <rm_you> summatusmentis: nope :(
Jul 18 04:22:48 <yigal> owell I'm not going to worry
Jul 18 04:22:59 <summatusmentis> rm_you: thanks anyway
Jul 18 04:22:59 <rm_you> winscp is not a sever AFAIK
Jul 18 04:23:01 <rm_you> I use it a lot
Jul 18 04:23:18 <rm_you> to go from n800 -> PC, you need an SSH server on the PC
Jul 18 04:23:28 <rm_you> you can go from PC -> n800 though with WinSCP
Jul 18 04:23:28 <yigal> mouser-: exactly
Jul 18 04:24:20 <mouser-> rm_you: I understand that, but was unaware it wasn't a server.  What would you recommend for a windows-based server?
Jul 18 04:24:39 <summatusmentis> a windows based ssh server?
Jul 18 04:24:44 <summatusmentis> do they exist?
Jul 18 04:24:46 <rm_you> mouser-: I think you can use Cygwin somehow, but I used a different one, err...
Jul 18 04:25:18 <yigal> is putty just a client, yes, never mind, us linux
Jul 18 04:25:24 <yigal> s/us/use/
Jul 18 04:25:26 <infobot> yigal meant: is putty juset a client, yes, never mind, us linux
Jul 18 04:25:55 <yigal> it didn't use the correction?
Jul 18 04:25:59 <yigal> interesting
Jul 18 04:26:03 <mouser-> It got confused, I think.
Jul 18 04:26:34 <yigal> "
Jul 18 04:26:35 <yigal> :)
Jul 18 04:27:54 <summatusmentis> yigal: it used it, on the first instance of us it found "juset"
Jul 18 04:28:01 <rm_you> mouser-: could try http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/
Jul 18 04:28:08 <summatusmentis> 'nigh all
Jul 18 04:28:11 <summatusmentis> night*
Jul 18 04:28:15 <rm_you> night
Jul 18 04:28:18 <yigal> night
Jul 18 04:29:37 <mouser-> What about using Hamachi as a server on the XP box?  I read somewhere that it was possible to connect to that.  SSHwindows doesn't seem to have been updated in four years, which makes me a little uneasy.
Jul 18 04:30:40 <u1106> is there any difference between osso-xterm and the built-in xterm in diablo?
Jul 18 04:30:43 <yigal> I'm not to support windows so whoever wants to help enjoy
Jul 18 04:31:35 <u1106> (sorry about the delay, my xchat @ diablo was causing troble)
Jul 18 04:31:50 <u1106> s/obl/oubl/
Jul 18 04:31:50 <infobot> u1106 meant: (sorry about the delay, my xchat @ diablo was causing trouble)
Jul 18 04:32:10 <scaldo1> hi people.
Jul 18 04:32:15 <yigal> it didn't help for you either, interesting
Jul 18 04:32:19 <scaldo1> there's suspend-to-ram package https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n800-s2ram
Jul 18 04:32:20 <yigal> scaldo1: hello
Jul 18 04:32:49 <yigal> scaldo1: wow, I like the 10day battery life, and now suspend to ram what next :)
Jul 18 04:33:12 <rm_you> mouser-: hamachi is just VPN, it is not a server
Jul 18 04:33:16 <scaldo1> I've written it a week ago
Jul 18 04:33:37 <scaldo1> there was many problems, but no it seems to work :)
Jul 18 04:34:05 <scaldo1> 3 days, good flight
Jul 18 04:35:21 <mouser-> rm_you: I'm not familiar with the difference, I'm still new to all this.  yigal: I'd use Linux if I could, believe me. I found this, however, which might work: http://www.itefix.no/phpws/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=12&MMN_position=22:22
Jul 18 04:35:32 <rm_you> mouser-: possibly http://www.freesshd.com/
Jul 18 04:36:31 <scaldo1> yigal, 10 days - you joke :)
Jul 18 04:37:08 <rm_you> my n800 idles for 8+
Jul 18 04:37:20 <scaldo1> if no app is running
Jul 18 04:37:27 <rm_you> i forgot about it for an entire week with it in a box
Jul 18 04:37:33 <scaldo1> and SD unmounted?
Jul 18 04:37:34 <rm_you> when i had  packed and moved
Jul 18 04:37:49 <GAN800> I get 4 days idle on wifi.
Jul 18 04:37:59 <rm_you> and i was wondering wtf had taken IP 192.168.6.100 on my wireless when i plugged it all in at my new apartment
Jul 18 04:38:11 <rm_you> sshed in to it, it was my n800 :P
Jul 18 04:38:26 <rm_you> it had sat around idling in a box for a weejk
Jul 18 04:38:27 <yigal> scaldo1: not quite serious, but of course I'm not using it for much
Jul 18 04:38:39 <rm_you> and when i plugged my router back in at the new place, it had autoconnected to it :P
Jul 18 04:39:18 <scaldo1> o_O. dont know. but if pidgin is blinking with its notify icon, it warms
Jul 18 04:39:19 <yigal> scaldo1: jk
Jul 18 04:39:31 <yigal> scaldo1: no pidgin for me
Jul 18 04:41:00 <scaldo1> I like to run about 10 app at the same time, with 512M virtual memory, and 2-3 days in idle is a record
Jul 18 04:41:22 <yigal> wow!!
Jul 18 04:41:24 <yigal> :)
Jul 18 04:42:16 <scaldo1> I like to hike, so it is vital if it lives much longer.
Jul 18 04:42:42 <GAN800> Then close your stupid shut. . . .
Jul 18 04:42:52 <GAN800> s/shut/shit/
Jul 18 04:42:53 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Then close your stupid shit. . . .
Jul 18 04:43:11 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 04:43:26 <rm_you> why you run pidgin while hiking? :P
Jul 18 04:44:03 <GAN800> lol . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204306&postcount=102
Jul 18 04:44:08 <scaldo1> there's no stupid shit. n800 is a pocket comp, 6 years ago I had similar on my table. So I think run more than 2 app is normal.
Jul 18 04:44:10 <GAN800> Ah, idiots. <_<
Jul 18 04:44:59 <scaldo1> I sometimes turn on gprs in my phone, and receive some messages (jabber) and email.
Jul 18 04:44:59 <GAN800> scaldo1, yeah, sure, it can HANDLE it, but you can't do everything and expect good battery life.
Jul 18 04:45:07 * GAN800 eyeroll.
Jul 18 04:45:44 <scaldo1> now I think, I expect...
Jul 18 04:45:46 <yigal> scaldo1: yes, I like to hike also, well it's time for nighty nighty, best all
Jul 18 04:46:08 <scaldo1> sometmes hike for a week
Jul 18 04:46:28 <scaldo1> I'll leave no for 2 hours.
Jul 18 04:48:35 <rm_you> GAN800: theres a kernel of truth in what hes saying, if you ignore a lot of the abrasiveness
Jul 18 04:49:12 <rm_you> TI annoys me with their refusal to release specs, same way Sharp did with the SD stuff for their Zaurus
Jul 18 04:49:38 <rm_you> though in both cases, it may be something about proprietary licenses out of their control
Jul 18 04:50:18 <rm_you> for Sharp I sort of understand their position, as they didn't have the extra resources to put toward getting a different SD chip or doing it themselves
Jul 18 04:50:41 <rm_you> but I think TI does, and they just aren't <_<
Jul 18 04:52:07 <rm_you> Tegra partnering with Microsoft actually bothers me on an entirely unspeakable level though <_<
Jul 18 04:58:52 <rm_you> does the n8x0 use OMAP2420?
Jul 18 05:00:58 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jul 18 05:01:41 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, TI is much MUCH better with OMAP3
Jul 18 05:01:47 <GeneralAntilles> and the PowerVR stuff is out of their control
Jul 18 05:01:57 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 05:02:00 <rm_you> like Sharp + SD
Jul 18 05:02:26 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, I mostly object to the Tegra bullshit
Jul 18 05:02:38 <GeneralAntilles> Well, A. Tegra isn't any faster than the chip we've got now
Jul 18 05:02:53 <GeneralAntilles> and B. Nvidia has already SAID Linux support isn't a priority
Jul 18 05:03:02 <GeneralAntilles> and TI is DEFINITELY behind Linux support with OMAP3
Jul 18 05:03:08 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 05:03:12 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, look at the OMAP35xx
Jul 18 05:03:20 <GeneralAntilles> That's BASICALLY a Linux chip
Jul 18 05:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> Beagle is mostly TI's doing.
Jul 18 05:03:43 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 05:03:50 <rm_you> was just looking at beagle
Jul 18 05:03:53 <GeneralAntilles> Just this whole "Nvidia is gonna be so much kooler!"
Jul 18 05:04:29 <GeneralAntilles> Get back to me when they actually ship something
Jul 18 05:04:39 <GeneralAntilles> and then get back to me again when they actually ship something with Linux support
Jul 18 05:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> Man, I hiked 6 miles tonight while dodging rent-a-cop patrols.
Jul 18 05:06:03 <timely> GeneralAntilles: so is andre_ the only one who deals w/ bugs.maemo.org policy?
Jul 18 05:06:10 <timely> i'd like to turn of "buglist" whines
Jul 18 05:06:22 <jga23> is there any way to map the back button on the n810 to rotate the screen?
Jul 18 05:06:35 <GeneralAntilles> timely, andre and karsten are the bugmasters.
Jul 18 05:06:47 <GeneralAntilles> But I'd say it's more a community thing now these days.
Jul 18 05:06:50 <timely> "where are they now?" :)
Jul 18 05:06:51 <GeneralAntilles> "buglist"?
Jul 18 05:07:07 <GeneralAntilles> timely, recovering from GUADEC still, it seems like. <_<
Jul 18 05:07:19 <timely> file a bug against yourself (NEW), but don't ACCEPT (ASSIGNED) it
Jul 18 05:07:30 <timely> leave it alone for a week. you'll get a mail complaining your buglist needs your attention
Jul 18 05:07:50 <rm_you> jga23: yes
Jul 18 05:08:04 <rm_you> jga23: xmodmap i believe could do it
Jul 18 05:08:22 <rm_you> are you using advanced-backlight for screen rotation?
Jul 18 05:08:56 <rm_you> hrm, tho nm, you would have to have that app open for internal keybinds to work
Jul 18 05:08:56 <Atarii> rm_you hey!
Jul 18 05:09:03 <rm_you> jga23: xmodmap is your best option
Jul 18 05:09:04 <rm_you> Atarii: hey
Jul 18 05:09:05 <GeneralAntilles> timely, file an enhancement request? :D
Jul 18 05:09:11 <jga23> rm_you: yes and sliderotate
Jul 18 05:09:33 <rm_you> Atarii: no news yet, can't find anything that changed really...
Jul 18 05:09:34 <jga23> rm_you: will xmodmap persist after reboot?
Jul 18 05:09:43 <rm_you> jga23: i believe so if you set it up right
Jul 18 05:09:59 <Atarii> ah ok
Jul 18 05:10:00 <rm_you> ... ANYTHING can persist across reboot if you set it up right, though, so meh :P
Jul 18 05:10:09 <rm_you> Atarii: but i need more info from you
Jul 18 05:10:14 <Atarii> sure
Jul 18 05:10:19 <rm_you> wow netsplit
Jul 18 05:10:28 <rm_you> good, we're both on this side :P
Jul 18 05:10:32 <Atarii> lol lucky
Jul 18 05:10:45 <rm_you> anyway, can you purge 13-6 and go back to 13-1 and make sure it does work
Jul 18 05:10:52 <Atarii> ok
Jul 18 05:10:57 <Atarii> 13-5* you mean
Jul 18 05:11:13 <Atarii> there isnt a public 13-6 is there?
Jul 18 05:11:31 <rm_you> and then go to 13-5 again and see if it still is broken
Jul 18 05:11:36 <rm_you> ack did i srsly never give you 13-6?
Jul 18 05:11:36 <timely> GeneralAntilles: yeah...
Jul 18 05:11:41 <rm_you> one second
Jul 18 05:11:45 <rm_you> that is ack :P
Jul 18 05:12:56 <rm_you> johnx: yay lost you for a sec :P
Jul 18 05:14:11 <rm_you> X-Fade: is there a page or something about using dput with the new pipeline?
Jul 18 05:15:39 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, wiki should cover it.
Jul 18 05:16:06 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Jul 18 05:16:41 <timely> X-Fade: when will the certs be fixed?
Jul 18 05:16:44 <timely> safari doesn't like you
Jul 18 05:17:11 <jga23> where do I need to place icons for them to be found by personal-menu?
Jul 18 05:22:54 <GeneralAntilles> timely, can the default saved search set be easily changed?
Jul 18 05:27:49 <timely> GeneralAntilles: globally?
Jul 18 05:28:31 <timely> defaultquery
Jul 18 05:28:32 <timely>     This is the default query that initially comes up when you access the advanced query page. It's in URL parameter format, which makes it hard to read. Sorry!
Jul 18 05:28:43 <timely> yes, "trivial" :)
Jul 18 05:29:02 <timely> (err trivially)
Jul 18 05:29:41 <GeneralAntilles> OK, good
Jul 18 05:30:39 <GeneralAntilles> There was a . . . discussion, of sorts, that came up on itT about how much Bugzilla "sux", and the one useful thing that might've come out of it is changing the default search set to include a few more things.
Jul 18 05:30:50 <timely> what do you want?
Jul 18 05:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> Like recently created and recently updated bugs.
Jul 18 05:30:58 <timely> oh brother
Jul 18 05:31:07 <timely> have you been to bmo (bugzilla.mozilla.org)?
Jul 18 05:31:30 <timely> the front page has "Bugs Filed Today"
Jul 18 05:32:05 * timely curses
Jul 18 05:33:38 <timely> GeneralAntilles: you don't really want to try to build a single query that shows all these things
Jul 18 05:33:41 <timely> it's mostly just mean
Jul 18 05:33:53 <timely> if you want the front page to have links to them, that's easier
Jul 18 05:34:46 <timely> especially, the default query is what you get when you've decided that the starting queries you have suck and want to search for something else
Jul 18 05:34:57 <timely> having to delete a dozen boolean charts would not make anyone happy
Jul 18 05:36:08 <rm_you> YAY
Jul 18 05:36:10 <rm_you> jeebus
Jul 18 05:36:14 <rm_you> dput works
Jul 18 05:36:25 <rm_you> doing it via w3m on my buildbox was getting *OLD*
Jul 18 05:36:54 <GeneralAntilles> timely, yeah, I haven't thought particularly hard on this one yet, but I'd like there to be a few links you could click on on the front page to get a sort of glimpse into what actually goes on.
Jul 18 05:37:04 <GeneralAntilles> As there really isn't much to see with the current set up.
Jul 18 05:37:34 <timely> as usual, i've been there for years
Jul 18 05:37:51 <timely> the right thing to do is *not* to change the default query, but to improve the front page :)
Jul 18 05:38:05 <timely> visit a couple of bugzillas, steal ideas / queries from their front pages
Jul 18 05:38:09 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, that makes a lot more sense.
Jul 18 05:39:58 <Atarii> bbl
Jul 18 05:45:32 <Italodance> Maemo Summit is free for travel!?
Jul 18 05:46:23 <jga23> rm_you: do you know the keycode for the back button on the n810 or how to find it?
Jul 18 05:46:58 <qwerty12> xev gives keycodes
Jul 18 05:47:06 <rm_you> Atarii: NOOOO
Jul 18 05:47:16 <rm_you> gah missed you by 8 minutes
Jul 18 05:47:29 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: got your 770? or is it in the car again? :P
Jul 18 05:47:29 <jga23> qwerty12: I don't have that on my tablet, is there any other way?
Jul 18 05:47:42 <rm_you> jga23: install it on your tablet? :P
Jul 18 05:47:47 <GeneralAntilles> It's upstairs
Jul 18 05:47:52 <GeneralAntilles> I'm downstairs on the couch
Jul 18 05:47:54 <GeneralAntilles> meh.
Jul 18 05:48:10 <qwerty12> jga23: no afaik, but I've only ever used xev :)
Jul 18 05:57:43 <jga23> how do I map the key to use xrandr?
Jul 18 05:57:58 <jga23> it looks like xmodmap can I just map to another key
Jul 18 05:58:45 <qwerty12> It's probably easier downloading emjayes python sliderotate and editing that.
Jul 18 05:59:02 <jga23> good call
Jul 18 06:03:46 <rm_you> can't you have xmodmap run a command?
Jul 18 06:03:50 <rm_you> meh, thought you could
Jul 18 06:07:47 <Italodance> YEAH!
Jul 18 06:29:50 <Italodance> who is For Maemo in OSiM World 2008 Here?
Jul 18 06:33:19 <rm_you> I *hope* to go. :) We'll see if they let me
Jul 18 06:36:29 <befr0d_> Hi.
Jul 18 06:40:57 <befr0d_> is it possible to view the saved passwords on microb?
Jul 18 06:44:13 <atul> Hi facing problem ? /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Jul 18 06:44:18 <atul> How to resolve it.
Jul 18 06:44:54 <befr0d_> nevermind, just used javascript:alert(document.frm.input) approach
Jul 18 06:53:27 <atul>  Facing this problem How to resolve it. "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set "
Jul 18 06:54:10 <timely> befr0d: you could probably use a bookmarlet that removed the type=password attrbiute
Jul 18 06:54:41 <timely> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html
Jul 18 06:54:50 <timely> you want "view passwords"
Jul 18 06:56:40 * timely makes a note to add it and a link to squarefree to a blog post
Jul 18 07:08:28 <befr0d_> timely, thanks, just added it.
Jul 18 07:35:15 <atul> Can any one did this CPU Transparency howto ? inside Scratch-box?
Jul 18 07:38:59 <lcuk_zzz> cheat: take a picture of the background, merge it yourself and paint your item
Jul 18 07:39:06 * lcuk_work goes again
Jul 18 07:44:27 <zap> atul: transparency works fine for me, without setup
Jul 18 07:44:34 <zap> atul: do you use a debian-based system?
Jul 18 07:57:50 <rm_you> just posted a new iconset for Advanced Backlight :) it is horrible looking, but is a proof of concept for the iconset script :)
Jul 18 07:58:00 <rm_you> and I may still use it for a while, lol
Jul 18 08:04:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 18 08:04:43 <rm_you> morning
Jul 18 08:09:06 <lbt> g'day
Jul 18 08:10:56 <timely> hi jaska
Jul 18 08:10:58 <timely> hi Jaffa
Jul 18 08:11:02 * timely sighs
Jul 18 08:11:15 <timely> t_s_o: pong?
Jul 18 08:11:22 <t_s_o> ping
Jul 18 08:12:52 <t_s_o> hmm, timely, timeless, whos who :P
Jul 18 08:14:19 <timely> all me
Jul 18 08:14:31 <timely> infobot, me?
Jul 18 08:14:38 <timely> infobot, timeless?
Jul 18 08:14:45 <timely> infobot: literal timeless
Jul 18 08:14:51 <timely> infobot: status
Jul 18 08:14:52 <infobot> Since Mon Jul 14 18:39:43 2008, there have been 46 modifications, 509 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 397 commands.  I have been awake for 3d 13h 35m 8s this session, and currently reference 114980 factoids.  I'm using about 20496 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8551.54/377.23 child 0.01/0.02
Jul 18 08:15:22 <timely> infobot: i am timeless
Jul 18 08:15:23 <infobot> it is my pleasure to meet you, timeless
Jul 18 08:15:27 <timely> infobot: timelyx is timeless
Jul 18 08:15:29 <infobot> okay, timely
Jul 18 08:15:34 <t_s_o> ok, seems my browser issue most likely was related to a damaged microb-engine install or something like that...
Jul 18 08:15:34 <timely> infobot who am i?
Jul 18 08:15:35 <infobot> timely shut up, you are a nobody
Jul 18 08:15:49 <timely> infobot timely is timeless
Jul 18 08:15:51 <infobot> timely: okay
Jul 18 08:15:57 <timely> stupid bot
Jul 18 08:16:18 <timely> t_s_o: um, how does one damage a microb-engine? :)
Jul 18 08:16:52 <t_s_o> shit if i know...
Jul 18 08:16:57 <lbt> timely: you said "timelyx<--- is timeless"
Jul 18 08:17:23 <timely> lbt: some infobots shortcut "i am" to "%user is"
Jul 18 08:17:45 <timely> this one instead shortcut it to a greeting module
Jul 18 08:17:56 <lbt> 2nd time you tried, you had an extra 'x'
Jul 18 08:17:57 <timely> a rather /rude/ greeting module, i might add
Jul 18 08:18:10 <lbt> I think
Jul 18 08:18:13 <timely> lbt: yes, i know. i irc as both
Jul 18 08:18:49 <timelyx> the only reason i was timely here is because #maemo-meeting was +m and i got disconnected
Jul 18 08:18:57 <timelyx> so when i tried to reconnect, i got timely (timelyx was in use)
Jul 18 08:19:09 <timelyx> but i couldn't capture my nick when it dropped because of the +m
Jul 18 08:19:11 <rm_you> infobot: who is timeless
Jul 18 08:19:12 <infobot> rm_you: what are you talking about?
Jul 18 08:19:15 <rm_you> infobot: who is timelyx
Jul 18 08:19:16 <infobot> methinks timelyx is timeless
Jul 18 08:19:19 <rm_you> infobot: who is timely
Jul 18 08:19:20 <infobot> hmm... timely is timeless
Jul 18 08:20:07 <timelyx> infobot timeless is @gmail.com, he works on microb, see timeless's blog
Jul 18 08:20:09 <infobot> timelyx: okay
Jul 18 08:20:21 <rm_you> infobot: who is timeless
Jul 18 08:20:22 <infobot> somebody said timeless was @gmail.com, he works on microb, see timeless's blog
Jul 18 08:20:35 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 08:21:29 <t_s_o> anyways, all i know is that after i managed to reinstall microb-engine and all the packages that depended on it, the browser started working again...
Jul 18 08:21:31 <rm_you> infobot: I am the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:21:31 <infobot> it is my pleasure to meet you, the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:21:46 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_yiu
Jul 18 08:21:46 <infobot> I think you lost me on that one, rm_you
Jul 18 08:21:47 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:21:48 <infobot> I think you lost me on that one, rm_you
Jul 18 08:21:50 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 08:22:02 <timelyx> rm_you: you have to use " rm_you is ..."
Jul 18 08:22:10 <timelyx> because this infobot is annoying
Jul 18 08:22:12 <rm_you> infobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:22:12 <infobot> rm_you: okay
Jul 18 08:22:16 <rm_you> yay
Jul 18 08:22:18 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:22:18 <infobot> from memory, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:22:28 <rm_you> sweet.
Jul 18 08:23:10 <rm_you> infobot: rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 08:23:11 <infobot> ...but rm_you is already something else...
Jul 18 08:23:14 <rm_you> bah
Jul 18 08:23:16 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:23:17 <infobot> i guess rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:23:26 <rm_you> i give up
Jul 18 08:23:34 <rm_you> good thing I didn't typo anything the first time :P
Jul 18 08:24:06 <timelyx> infobot rm_you is also microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ - http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml
Jul 18 08:24:07 <timelyx> oops
Jul 18 08:24:07 <infobot> timelyx: okay
Jul 18 08:24:11 <timelyx> clipboard error :)
Jul 18 08:24:25 <rm_you> LOL
Jul 18 08:24:31 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:24:32 <infobot> rm_you: what are you talking about?
Jul 18 08:24:34 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 18 08:24:49 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:24:50 <infobot> methinks rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 18 08:24:52 <rm_you> wtf
Jul 18 08:24:57 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:24:58 <timelyx> infobot rm_you is also http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 08:24:59 <infobot> okay, timelyx
Jul 18 08:25:04 <rm_you> AH
Jul 18 08:25:17 <timelyx> infobot rm_you?
Jul 18 08:25:18 <infobot> rumour has it, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 08:25:31 <rm_you> infobot: clear rm_you
Jul 18 08:25:36 <timelyx> rm_you: "forget"
Jul 18 08:25:42 <rm_you> infobot: forget rm_you
Jul 18 08:25:42 <infobot> i forgot rm_you, rm_you
Jul 18 08:25:43 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 08:25:45 <timelyx> note that you can talk to it directly
Jul 18 08:25:50 <rm_you> ok
Jul 18 08:25:54 <timelyx> which is why you may get surprising results
Jul 18 08:25:58 <timelyx> especially when watching me
Jul 18 08:26:03 <rm_you> heh
Jul 18 08:26:11 <timelyx> since i'll only stick certain parts of a conversation in the channel
Jul 18 08:26:29 <rm_you> never used an infobot before :P
Jul 18 08:26:30 <timelyx> if i'm just fixing things and don't think anyone needs to care that i'm doing it, i'll do it outside
Jul 18 08:26:40 <rm_you> infobot: who am I
Jul 18 08:26:41 <timelyx> if i'm teaching, it'll obviously be here :)
Jul 18 08:26:41 <infobot> rm_you shut up, you are a nobody
Jul 18 08:26:50 <rm_you> infobot: who is rm_you
Jul 18 08:26:50 <infobot> well, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 08:26:57 <rm_you> it should respond to who am I
Jul 18 08:27:04 <rm_you> ah well
Jul 18 08:27:07 <timelyx> some variants do
Jul 18 08:27:09 <rm_you> wonder if it is open source :P
Jul 18 08:27:13 <timelyx> it is
Jul 18 08:27:27 <timelyx> word on moznet is an infobot
Jul 18 08:27:29 <timelyx> much friendly
Jul 18 08:27:35 <timelyx> s/y/ier/
Jul 18 08:27:36 <infobot> timelyx meant: much friendlier
Jul 18 08:27:45 <timelyx> good bot
Jul 18 08:31:34 <rm_you> ~advanced-backlight
Jul 18 08:31:35 <infobot> somebody said advanced-backlight was a combined backlight and volume applet for the 770, N800 and N810. It makes available all 127 levels of the backlight and now contains rotation support (when the appropriate packages are installed). More information here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 08:31:39 <rm_you> sweet
Jul 18 08:31:42 <rm_you> ok.
Jul 18 08:32:22 <rm_you> infobot is useful :)
Jul 18 08:32:34 <timelyx> infobot is what you make of it ...
Jul 18 08:32:54 <rm_you> s/:)/for something besides fixing errors in text :)/
Jul 18 08:32:54 <infobot> rm_you meant: infobot is useful for something besides fixing errors in text :)
Jul 18 08:35:17 <aquatix> :)
Jul 18 08:35:31 <lcuk_work> ~lart infobot
Jul 18 08:35:32 * infobot beats lcuk_work over the head with a microkernel
Jul 18 08:35:40 <aquatix> lol
Jul 18 08:35:44 <lcuk_work> \o/
Jul 18 08:37:01 * lcuk_work disassembles infobots control algorithm
Jul 18 08:45:13 <gregorovius> Hi... I wanted to ask a simple question to which I haven't found an answer... how long does the battery of a nokia 8x0 last while playing music, with the screen mostly turned off?
Jul 18 08:45:30 <gregorovius> is it a viable replacement to a portable music player?
Jul 18 08:46:20 <alsor> hircus, there, someone used the sbrsh?
Jul 18 08:47:02 <alsor> i found sbrsh support to use nfs or sshfs. which better?
Jul 18 08:47:24 <gregorovius> I'm particularly worried about what I read about ogg support, since a good part of my music is in ogg
Jul 18 08:47:48 <Stskeeps> alsor: i'm inclined towards nfs as it's a real FS :P
Jul 18 08:48:47 <rm_you> gregorovius: well, lardman wrote a dsp decoder for ogg, so i think it is in good shape?
Jul 18 08:49:11 <rm_you> gregorovius: but, if you're ONLY going to use it as a music player, I'm not sure...
Jul 18 08:49:18 <gregorovius> no, no, of course not
Jul 18 08:49:24 <rm_you> gregorovius: i would definitely get an n800 over an n810 though
Jul 18 08:49:30 <aquatix> rm_you: hm, is that the ogg-support package?
Jul 18 08:49:53 <gregorovius> I thought ogg decoding only happened in the cpu
Jul 18 08:49:54 <alsor> Stskeeps, yah, thanks. i tried the sshfs for hours, and want to use nfs instead...:(
Jul 18 08:49:55 <Jaffa> Need a second opinion on karnhack's new logos (  ), too similar to Opened Hand's? http://o-hand.com/
Jul 18 08:50:01 <rm_you> gregorovius: n800 = 2xSD, which right now means you can get 32GB in it, versus n810 which is 1xMiniSD, which means only like 8G >_>
Jul 18 08:50:11 <Jaffa> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions#karnhack
Jul 18 08:50:19 <aquatix> rm_you: and the 2GB internal flash ;)
Jul 18 08:50:21 <aquatix> but indeed :(
Jul 18 08:50:23 <rm_you> pft
Jul 18 08:50:35 <gregorovius> rm_you: yeah, I would get a used n800, mainly because of the price
Jul 18 08:50:44 <rm_you> gregorovius: I get about 6 hours if i only listen to music
Jul 18 08:50:48 * aquatix loves his n810 nonetheless
Jul 18 08:51:04 <rm_you> gregorovius: i think... maybe more
Jul 18 08:51:07 <gregorovius> hmp... 6 hours is less than I was hoping for
Jul 18 08:51:13 <gregorovius> right now I've got a meizu m6
Jul 18 08:51:17 <aquatix> rm_you: lardman's ogg stuff, is that http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ or another project?
Jul 18 08:51:17 <rm_you> i almost never JUST listen to music for a whole 6 hours tho
Jul 18 08:51:27 <gregorovius> does ogg, flac, and gets like 25 hours of playtime
Jul 18 08:51:29 <rm_you> so that could be skewed, it's the only figure i remember tho
Jul 18 08:51:44 <rm_you> yeah not going to get much more than 10 if that
Jul 18 08:51:47 <rm_you> :(
Jul 18 08:51:50 <aquatix> gregorovius: ah, what do you think of it? i thought about buying one too
Jul 18 08:52:18 <gregorovius> aquatix: the hardware is solid, sound quality is good, software... meh, so-so
Jul 18 08:52:33 <gregorovius> it's really finicky about what videos it will play
Jul 18 08:52:44 <aquatix> video i don't really care about
Jul 18 08:52:56 <rm_you> gregorovius: if you want video, the 800 is very good
Jul 18 08:52:58 <aquatix> i'll watch those on my n810 or at home on my tft :)
Jul 18 08:53:04 <rm_you> gregorovius: that's mostly what I care about
Jul 18 08:53:05 <gregorovius> it has a couple gripes, but overall I like it and the battery life is great
Jul 18 08:53:16 <rm_you> it plays very nice video at a decent size
Jul 18 08:53:28 <rm_you> i get about 4 hours of video too
Jul 18 08:53:49 <aquatix> yeah, at least
Jul 18 08:53:51 <gregorovius> right now I want something to check emails, play music and the ocassional game or rss reading
Jul 18 08:54:07 <gregorovius> so basically i'm between an ipod touch and a n800
Jul 18 08:54:11 <aquatix> i watched a long evening full of Lost with a battery that wasn't even full in the first place
Jul 18 08:54:13 <gregorovius> and I really hate apple philosophy
Jul 18 08:54:31 <aquatix> gregorovius: i can recommend the n8x0
Jul 18 08:54:42 <glass> gregorovius: then you'll be happier with 800/810
Jul 18 08:54:44 <aquatix> [personally i like the n810 better: smaller, keyboard etc]
Jul 18 08:54:53 <glass> gregorovius: no need to use itunes, or jailbreak to use decent apps
Jul 18 08:54:56 <aquatix> does the touch do rss?
Jul 18 08:55:08 <aquatix> glass: indeed, use whatever you want on it
Jul 18 08:55:11 * aquatix loves
Jul 18 08:55:13 <gregorovius> not sure, I didn't check, but there's always google reader
Jul 18 08:55:23 <aquatix> gregorovius: true
Jul 18 08:55:25 <glass> the touch doesn't do bt dialup though
Jul 18 08:55:32 <aquatix> the microb browser is awesome though
Jul 18 08:55:40 <aquatix> and at 800x480 works really well
Jul 18 08:55:52 <glass> yeah the screen is awesome for web
Jul 18 08:55:59 <gregorovius> I use linux, don't even have windows installed, so the idea of using gtkpod to transfer music, jailbraking, blah, not my thing
Jul 18 08:56:04 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Jul 18 08:56:15 <aquatix> gregorovius: bt dialup/gprs etc is really easy with the n8x0 too btw :)
Jul 18 08:56:15 <glass> gregorovius: does gtkpod even support touch, at all?
Jul 18 08:56:22 <aquatix> gregorovius: heh, indeed
Jul 18 08:56:27 <aquatix> glass: iirc, no
Jul 18 08:56:35 <gregorovius> heh, worse yet
Jul 18 08:56:39 <glass> yeah as it's no onger an usb drive
Jul 18 08:56:41 <glass> l
Jul 18 08:56:47 <glass> like ipod classics
Jul 18 08:56:49 <aquatix> it isn't? eek
Jul 18 08:57:08 <glass> nope, itunes apple-properiaty format thing
Jul 18 08:57:13 <rm_you> oh woah, just by accident found out thunderbird does email sorting with threaded conversations :P
Jul 18 08:57:14 <rm_you> sweet
Jul 18 08:57:17 <glass> the apple way
Jul 18 08:57:20 <gregorovius> so my main concern is if the 800 does ok as a music player, got any gripes about that?
Jul 18 08:57:23 <aquatix> rm_you: nifty eh? :)
Jul 18 08:57:51 <rm_you> also just found out that modest finally supports my imap inbox
Jul 18 08:58:01 <melmoth> gregorovius: i prefer to still carry my old iriver with me.
Jul 18 08:58:07 <rm_you> but it has issues realizing things are read (or marking them as read on the server)
Jul 18 08:58:25 <gregorovius> melmoth: why so?
Jul 18 08:58:27 <melmoth> most of the music application focus on whistle and bells wiht the gui.
Jul 18 08:58:31 <rm_you> in fact i dont see any real distinction between read and unread >_>
Jul 18 08:58:36 <aquatix> rm_you: i found out it generally marks email as `read' when you switch away from the folder
Jul 18 08:58:44 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 08:58:50 <aquatix> rm_you: at least, with the version in diablo
Jul 18 08:58:53 <melmoth> did not find one that play ogg and mp3, that started fast without trying to index all my cards and video
Jul 18 08:58:55 <aquatix> before that, it just didn't work
Jul 18 08:58:57 <rm_you> i dont ever switch out of my inbox.,..
Jul 18 08:59:03 <rm_you> so, that is not so useful
Jul 18 08:59:09 <rm_you> claws does it correctly at least >_>
Jul 18 08:59:19 <aquatix> rm_you: ah, i use imap because of the huge amount of folders i have ;)
Jul 18 08:59:23 <rm_you> though, it is catching up in usability :)
Jul 18 08:59:24 <melmoth> that could cope with all episodes of dimention X and being able to browse them easily
Jul 18 08:59:26 <aquatix> yeah, claws rocks
Jul 18 08:59:49 <aquatix> melmoth: mpd? )
Jul 18 08:59:57 <aquatix> with a gui
Jul 18 09:00:20 <rm_you> melmoth: xmms? :P
Jul 18 09:00:27 <aquatix> or does that index too [only in the dirs you want though]
Jul 18 09:00:34 <melmoth> i havent tested those 2.
Jul 18 09:00:49 <rm_you> xmms is winamp for linux, lol
Jul 18 09:00:55 <melmoth> but i am currently happy with my iriver for audio. I use the n810 for maps, ebook and video.
Jul 18 09:01:01 <melmoth> and ssh client of course :)
Jul 18 09:01:05 <rm_you> and isnt really integrated with hildon :P but, lol
Jul 18 09:01:11 <gregorovius> I'd rather not carry more than 1 device at a time
Jul 18 09:01:18 <rm_you> yeah, i do like canola, even if it loads SLOW
Jul 18 09:01:20 <melmoth> thats the negative point.
Jul 18 09:01:33 <gregorovius> is it slow, rm_you?
Jul 18 09:01:35 <melmoth> but as i am carrying already a phone anyway, hey, what about a third device :)
Jul 18 09:01:43 <rm_you> it isn't slow once its open
Jul 18 09:01:55 <rm_you> and it looks like a real professional music player frontend for a device
Jul 18 09:02:01 <melmoth> i havent tested canola because of licencing issues
Jul 18 09:02:02 <rm_you> but it takes like 25 seconds to open :P
Jul 18 09:02:11 <rm_you> it is very good IMO
Jul 18 09:02:33 <gregorovius> well, my meizu takes at least 10 seconds to boot, I don't mind waiting a bit if it's fast once it's open
Jul 18 09:02:39 <rm_you> the lack of openness is annoying, but meh
Jul 18 09:02:44 <aquatix> canola2 is the most beautiful program i ever saw on a handheld</just_saying>
Jul 18 09:02:48 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 09:02:53 * rm_you agrees with aquatix 
Jul 18 09:03:38 <gregorovius> well, I only hope battery life is at least decent when only playing music
Jul 18 09:03:46 <rm_you> WOW.
Jul 18 09:03:47 <gregorovius> 6 hours sounds a little on the low side
Jul 18 09:04:07 <rm_you> 25seconds was just a random estimate i threw out, so i just now opened it to count and give an actual number... and i counted to exactly 25 seconds. >_<
Jul 18 09:04:14 <aquatix> gregorovius: maybe google knows some more accurate numbers
Jul 18 09:04:20 <aquatix> rm_you: lol
Jul 18 09:04:28 <gregorovius> aquatix: I couldn't find any figures on that
Jul 18 09:04:29 <Italodance> canola still has problem with open and play videos
Jul 18 09:04:31 <aquatix> oh
Jul 18 09:04:40 <aquatix> Italodance: even with mplayer installed?
Jul 18 09:04:42 <rm_you> Italodance: works... alright.
Jul 18 09:04:53 <rm_you> not as fast as just standalone mplayer, but still decent
Jul 18 09:04:56 * aquatix just uses plain mplayer for videos though
Jul 18 09:04:59 <rm_you> my videos all play fine
Jul 18 09:05:10 <Italodance> aquatix yes Unfortunately
Jul 18 09:05:16 <aquatix> Italodance: :(
Jul 18 09:05:46 <Italodance> aquatix i had beta1 before 9 and worked like a charm
Jul 18 09:05:52 <rm_you> Italodance: don't know why it doesn't work for you :( works for me still
Jul 18 09:05:59 <gregorovius> oh, one more thing... i've read some stuff about reduced battery life with os2008, have any of you noticed anything?
Jul 18 09:06:03 <rm_you> in Diablo with latest Canola (updated today)
Jul 18 09:06:15 <rm_you> gregorovius: not really. seems the same to me
Jul 18 09:06:20 <rm_you> gregorovius: pretty much exactly the same actually.
Jul 18 09:06:37 <gregorovius> good to hear, thanks
Jul 18 09:06:51 <Italodance> rm_you i told to handful (in IT Canola Forum) and He Promised To Me For Fix It on beta10
Jul 18 09:07:01 <aquatix> rm_you: do you know whether lardman is still working on dsp-tremor? the project site is a bit quiet
Jul 18 09:07:17 <melmoth> i felt a small change when switching to chinook (i m not in diablo yet). instead of having to put recharge the unit once per week, it was once every 4 day or something
Jul 18 09:07:27 <Italodance> also + long start loading
Jul 18 09:07:54 <melmoth> except of course when i use the gps a lot, but for short and intensive usage, i did not feel any difference
Jul 18 09:08:08 <aquatix> mem usage seems higher than with chinook, but i guess that's because of browserd
Jul 18 09:08:39 <gregorovius> browser daemon? what for?
Jul 18 09:08:55 <Italodance> mplayer can't play good mp4 videos yet...and Think About canola! well u will see the same problems! But Canola2 beta1 was very good for me before!
Jul 18 09:09:03 <aquatix> gregorovius: a process for starting up the microb browser faster
Jul 18 09:09:17 <timelyx> gregorovius: partially so that the browser ui is able to respond while the layout engine is busy
Jul 18 09:09:28 <aquatix> Italodance: err, i have watched quite some mpeg4 videos with it already
Jul 18 09:09:29 <gregorovius> i see
Jul 18 09:09:49 <timelyx> it also means that when the browser engine crashes, you can at least go back to the web pages (even if you lose your form data)
Jul 18 09:10:10 <aquatix> timelyx: ah? how?
Jul 18 09:10:16 <GDE> there is a process in diablo to make the browser responsed quicker?
Jul 18 09:10:24 <aquatix> timelyx: or do you mean with history?
Jul 18 09:10:26 <rm_you> aquatix: i doubt it, because AFAIK it is done? ask him when he gets on :/
Jul 18 09:10:33 <timelyx> aquatix: the browser ui knows what pages you
Jul 18 09:10:35 <aquatix> rm_you: i'll do, thanks
Jul 18 09:10:45 <timelyx> re at... when the daemon crashes, it's respawned and the ui tells it where to go
Jul 18 09:10:47 <GDE> funny thung is I find it to be slower and it actually crashes more often
Jul 18 09:10:54 <rm_you> Italodance: mp4?!?!?!
Jul 18 09:10:54 <aquatix> timelyx: ah yeah
Jul 18 09:11:01 <Italodance> aquatix  but this problem is available for mplayer and we talked about it in the past! also read mplayer topics on IT forum,,,the owner of project is still working on
Jul 18 09:11:07 <aquatix> rm_you: short hand for mpeg4 video
Jul 18 09:11:13 <aquatix> which is just a container anyway
Jul 18 09:11:15 <Italodance> rm_you y
Jul 18 09:11:17 <atul> zap am using debina based system only. Its Ubuntu !
Jul 18 09:11:23 <rm_you> aquatix: I know... and plays horribly on N800
Jul 18 09:11:23 <timelyx> GDE: it's not to make the layout respond quicker
Jul 18 09:11:29 <rm_you> aquatix: it is commonly h264
Jul 18 09:11:33 <timelyx> it's to make the toolbar respond *at all* while the layout is *Busy*
Jul 18 09:11:33 <aquatix> yeah
Jul 18 09:11:39 <GDE> question:  I haven't updated canola2 yet, is it faster?
Jul 18 09:11:44 <forge> :o
Jul 18 09:11:48 * timelyx sighs
Jul 18 09:11:55 * timelyx really needs to blog about browserd
Jul 18 09:11:57 <timelyx> maybe today?
Jul 18 09:12:01 <GDE> any improvment on the gaps between the songs?
Jul 18 09:12:17 <rm_you> Italodance: .mp4 video is most commonly h264 encoded video, which plays very badly on the tablets. try playing something that is encoded properly with xvid
Jul 18 09:12:39 <rm_you> Italodance: try this video and tell me if it plays better: http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi
Jul 18 09:12:50 <ShadowJK> What kind of h264 resolution will the N800/810 play?
Jul 18 09:13:06 <ShadowJK> I imagine it's a bit lower than the xvid res it can do..
Jul 18 09:13:11 <aquatix> rm_you: hm, i watch videos in `iso mpeg-4 (ffmpeg)'; is that h264? :/
Jul 18 09:13:15 <Italodance> rm_you no media player can play them very good only mplayer has this problem
Jul 18 09:13:43 <aquatix> ah no, i guess that's xvid
Jul 18 09:13:45 <Italodance> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20253&page=19
Jul 18 09:13:58 <Italodance> handful:
Jul 18 09:13:58 <Italodance> Slow / videos not playing / Diablo : Diablo is not supported dudes : / we are rushing like crazys to support it but it will not do too much if only Canola is fully ported. Mplayer, etc etc needs to be 100% diablo also to everything be fine again...
Jul 18 09:14:07 <aquatix> ShadowJK: generally it's recommended to watch 320x240 movies i think
Jul 18 09:14:09 <Italodance> but i have chinook
Jul 18 09:14:11 <rm_you> Italodance: i know.
Jul 18 09:14:38 <rm_you> Italodance: I realize that the basic media player plays the h264 videos... but it still is nothing compared to xvid. try the video I sent you
Jul 18 09:14:46 <GDE> so Canola is fully ported now?
Jul 18 09:14:59 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: i'm about to compile a kernel on tablet. i'm sure it'll burst into flames
Jul 18 09:15:20 <t_s_o> ugh, that will take hours...
Jul 18 09:15:20 <aquatix> Stskeeps: we'll keep the firefighters ready on our phone ;)
Jul 18 09:15:25 <rm_you> Italodance: the problem has nothing to do with Diablo
Jul 18 09:15:45 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps: you don't believe in crosscompiling eh?
Jul 18 09:16:01 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: crosscompiling is for people who haven't compiled a kernel on a 50mhz
Jul 18 09:16:22 <aquatix> Stskeeps: have fun ;)
Jul 18 09:16:29 <ShadowJK> hm
Jul 18 09:16:37 <aquatix> [back in those days, the tree was a bit smaller i guess]
Jul 18 09:16:44 <ShadowJK> I compiled on 133mhz 16meg ram once, the N800 should be fine, surely :)
Jul 18 09:16:52 <ShadowJK> but that was linux 2.4
Jul 18 09:18:27 <gregorovius> oh, one more Q: do you think the next os release will still support the n800? I'm afraid it'll be left behind as the 770
Jul 18 09:19:35 <melmoth> yep i think it will support it.
Jul 18 09:19:45 <Stskeeps> gregorovius: no clue.. but also a good reason why it's good to have stuff like debian in case the device(s) go EOL
Jul 18 09:19:53 <GDE> any rumours on the next OS?
Jul 18 09:20:02 <timelyx> GDE: you mean Fremantle?
Jul 18 09:20:08 <melmoth> what would be the point of having made a daible able to upgrade without any reflash if it was not to prepare at least one upgrade after ?
Jul 18 09:20:08 <timelyx> there were probably even slides ...
Jul 18 09:20:27 <GDE> fremantle is the next one?
Jul 18 09:20:28 <timelyx> melmoth: well, for one, we intend to do a live update for sprint :)
Jul 18 09:20:36 <aquatix> gregorovius: well, it uses basically the same hardware as the n810, so i guess it will
Jul 18 09:20:40 <GDE> what's the story on that one?
Jul 18 09:20:53 <rm_you> timelyx: so if it breaks, everyone will have a dead n800 just in time for the sprint? :P
Jul 18 09:21:05 <aquatix> timelyx: are we skipping the E?
Jul 18 09:21:11 <timelyx> e?
Jul 18 09:21:14 <timelyx> oh yes
Jul 18 09:21:24 <aquatix> bora, chinook, diablo.. E, fremantle :)
Jul 18 09:21:26 <timelyx> there is a name for e, but i'd probably be shot for mentioning it
Jul 18 09:21:30 <gregorovius> timelyx: s/sprint/spring/?
Jul 18 09:21:35 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 09:21:40 <timelyx> gregorovius: no, it's a company
Jul 18 09:21:47 <gregorovius> ah, the phone company :)
Jul 18 09:21:48 <timelyx> iirc there's a name for g also, and see E
Jul 18 09:22:01 <timelyx> that's not really their business, but ...
Jul 18 09:22:21 <rm_you> ah I was thinking developer sprint :P
Jul 18 09:23:05 <gregorovius> that was an option in my head as well :)
Jul 18 09:24:00 <GDE> okay, whats the news on the next OS ;p
Jul 18 09:24:11 <Stskeeps> heh, 1588kb/s from repository.maemo.org - that's impressive
Jul 18 09:24:21 <rm_you> yeah it seems quick
Jul 18 09:24:21 <timelyx> Stskeeps: CDN
Jul 18 09:24:31 <timelyx> afaik it's still Akamai
Jul 18 09:24:39 <timelyx> but it's probably not misconfigured anymore :)
Jul 18 09:24:47 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 09:25:04 <timelyx> [timeless@landfill mxr-test]$ dig repository.maemo.org
Jul 18 09:25:14 <timelyx> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
Jul 18 09:25:14 <timelyx> repository.maemo.org.   43200   IN      CNAME   repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net.
Jul 18 09:25:14 <timelyx> repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net.
Jul 18 09:25:14 <timelyx> a515.g.akamai.net.      20      IN      A       80.67.66.57
Jul 18 09:25:32 <timelyx> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
Jul 18 09:25:33 <timelyx> n0g.akamai.net.         28      IN      A       69.26.180.12
Jul 18 09:25:33 <timelyx> n1g.akamai.net.         9       IN      A       63.82.132.31
Jul 18 09:25:33 <timelyx> n2g.akamai.net.         1203    IN      A       69.26.180.28
Jul 18 09:25:34 <timelyx> ..
Jul 18 09:25:39 <timelyx> n8g.akamai.net.         28      IN      A       69.26.180.22
Jul 18 09:26:11 <aquatix> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/
Jul 18 09:26:14 <aquatix> teehee
Jul 18 09:26:36 <timelyx> heh
Jul 18 09:26:50 <Stskeeps> is win3.11 stylus friendly? ;)
Jul 18 09:26:59 <aquatix> it might just be
Jul 18 09:27:04 <timelyx> Stskeeps: it should be actually
Jul 18 09:27:05 <aquatix> no fance mouse-over stuff
Jul 18 09:27:10 <timelyx> no right clicking
Jul 18 09:27:11 <aquatix> *fancy
Jul 18 09:27:14 <timelyx> menus always visible
Jul 18 09:27:32 <timelyx> iirc you could use control panel to increase widget size if necessary (not certain)
Jul 18 09:27:54 <timelyx> on an n810, you should be fine
Jul 18 09:27:55 * aquatix ran 3.11 in 640x480, which is quite compatible with n8x0's screen
Jul 18 09:28:02 <timelyx> and w/ an n800 you have arrow keys + enter
Jul 18 09:28:28 <timelyx> it would be nice if you could keep the left bar and lose the top though
Jul 18 09:28:47 <aquatix> yeah, then you really have 640x480
Jul 18 09:29:04 <aquatix> that'd be kinda... interesting
Jul 18 09:35:59 <timelyx> hrm, the forum indicates he didn't get the stylus working
Jul 18 09:37:32 <hrw> 3A
Jul 18 09:37:38 <hrw> morning
Jul 18 09:48:23 <crashanddie> 3A ? You missed
Jul 18 09:48:25 <crashanddie> B6
Jul 18 09:48:53 <crashanddie> morning by the way
Jul 18 09:55:27 <t_s_o> heh, windows 3.1 on the tablets... i guess i dont really count as i spent most of my time in dos those days anyways...
Jul 18 09:55:42 <t_s_o> and these days i seem to spend more and more time in the terminal on my tablet so...
Jul 18 09:57:10 <lardman> lcuk_work: ping
Jul 18 10:02:46 <Stskeeps> could be fun to see if it would be possible to run windows CE *ducks for incoming projectiles*
Jul 18 10:03:21 <lardman> once you write the abstraction layer
Jul 18 10:03:41 <lardman> ;)
Jul 18 10:03:42 * melmoth slap Stskeeps with a projectile of some sort
Jul 18 10:04:01 <jott> there where actually ideas porting wine to arm/ce ;)
Jul 18 10:05:10 <zap> thats useless
Jul 18 10:05:27 <zap> even more useless than porting desktop linux apps without adaptation
Jul 18 10:06:02 <crashanddie> (zap) even more useless than porting desktop linux apps <-- fixed
Jul 18 10:06:14 <zap> ?
Jul 18 10:06:36 <lcuk_work> lardman, pong
Jul 18 10:08:19 <lcuk_work> zap, simply porting big cpu/memory expensive desktop apps is a little futile.  crashanddie (and i) think its better to design for the platform.  that way when used on large desktops the user experience will be better :)
Jul 18 10:11:39 <crashanddie> zap, to go further along what lcuk said, I believe that applications that were supposed to have been designed for the desktop are in fact, not designed at all. There are plenty of apps out there, that run fine on a desktop, but they run fine because the hardware on desktops is generally overkill. What we end up with, is a bunch of software that would require so much hacking in order to run natively an decently on the NIT (o
Jul 18 10:11:39 <crashanddie> r any other minimal platform), that it would most of the time be more cost/time effective to just re-write most of the features, but this time, by designing and sizing them properly
Jul 18 10:12:58 <t_s_o> i would agree to that, i find that interfaces designed for mouse may work with a stylus, but interfaces designed for fingers work on mouse as well ;)
Jul 18 10:13:11 <crashanddie> zap, even further, it's impossible to decently port an application and add features such as the touch screen. Sure they'll work, but they're optimized for finger usage, or just being used on the move. They're not designed for it
Jul 18 10:13:17 <lardman> lcuk_work: I looked at your code; nice, but overkill in this situation imo
Jul 18 10:13:19 <lcuk_work> t_s_o :) have you seen the menus for liqbase :)
Jul 18 10:13:22 <crashanddie> t_s_o, exactly
Jul 18 10:13:36 <t_s_o> lcuk_work: nope
Jul 18 10:13:43 <lcuk_work> lol lardman - its not overkill.  its broken the problem down into managable clumps
Jul 18 10:13:52 <crashanddie> they're *not* optimized for finger usage
Jul 18 10:14:12 <t_s_o> the best example is probably claw mail. sure, nice app. but the interface is insane, even with stylus in hand...
Jul 18 10:14:29 <lardman> lcuk_work: there's no need to do hill/valley following, the data are esentially binary anyway, thresholding is quicker and less error prone for this type of data
Jul 18 10:15:20 <lcuk_work> lardman, but the contrast problems on  this device coupled wiith location within the viewport makes exact binary matching bad doesnt it?
Jul 18 10:15:27 <rm_you> have you looked at the QR reading libs that are part of the iPhone barcode reader? they are GPL3 on sourceforge, and written in ... objective C... but it looked almost exactly like normal C, so the logic should be identical at least
Jul 18 10:16:01 <jott> lardman: thersholding does not work too well
Jul 18 10:16:34 <crashanddie> rm_you, most of the code written in objective C is the same is OO PHP, it's just a bad coder who wanted to say "I did OO", but he's still just using procedural thinking :P
Jul 18 10:16:35 <rm_you> you could actually look at what they have for 1d too...
Jul 18 10:16:37 <lardman> lcuk_work: not exact, threshold the midpoint and set things on either side to 1/0 -> ideally one would look at a histogram, find the valley between the two peaks and use that, but we're not too worried about getting it right everytime
Jul 18 10:16:56 <lardman> rm_you: hmm, I thought they were in Java?
Jul 18 10:17:01 <rm_you> err 1d
Jul 18 10:17:09 <rm_you> thats ZX
Jul 18 10:17:13 <rm_you> this is different
Jul 18 10:17:16 <rm_you> lemmie look up a link
Jul 18 10:17:19 <lardman> thanks
Jul 18 10:17:24 <lcuk_work> the problem is you cannot use a histogram unless you have found the boundary for the barcode initially - the labels around with throw off any calculations
Jul 18 10:17:28 <crashanddie> rm_you, ZX ?
Jul 18 10:17:31 <crashanddie> the citroen ?
Jul 18 10:17:32 <rm_you> yeh ZX :P
Jul 18 10:17:33 <crashanddie> :P
Jul 18 10:17:45 <lcuk_work> i do threshhold anyway: i find the available input range and work on that
Jul 18 10:17:49 <lcuk_work> thats steps 1 and 2
Jul 18 10:18:08 <lcuk_work> crashanddie, my menus arent finger friendly?
Jul 18 10:18:12 <lardman> I just think hill/valley walking is unnecessary
Jul 18 10:18:34 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, did I say that ?
Jul 18 10:18:47 <jott> the barcodes i held against the camera did not work at all with simple thresholding due to lighting conditions..
Jul 18 10:18:59 <lardman> are there speed penalties for accessing 8bit/16bit/32bit data on ARM? Which is the quickest?
Jul 18 10:19:04 <rm_you> http://sourceforge.net/projects/barcode2d
Jul 18 10:19:08 <lcuk_work> 32bit
Jul 18 10:19:11 <lardman> jott: ok
Jul 18 10:19:23 <lardman> input data will be 16bit array?
Jul 18 10:19:25 <lcuk_work> yes large penalties (at least for writing, reading may be buffered)
Jul 18 10:19:30 <lardman> rm_you: thanks
Jul 18 10:19:50 <crashanddie> anyway, I have to move out people, I have a server that shat itself this morning, bbl tonight or something, cheers
Jul 18 10:19:55 <crashanddie> erhm
Jul 18 10:20:00 <crashanddie> "I have to move out, people"
Jul 18 10:20:08 <crashanddie> not, "I have to move out people"
Jul 18 10:20:11 <rm_you> can you just straight up use objective C alongside normal C?
Jul 18 10:20:15 <lcuk_work> lol @ bad landlord
Jul 18 10:20:16 <rm_you> and would that compile for the NIT?
Jul 18 10:20:22 <lardman> derf: ping
Jul 18 10:20:38 <rm_you> or would you have to just take the logic and recode it
Jul 18 10:20:39 <lcuk_work> jott, whats your mail addy
Jul 18 10:20:44 <lardman> rm_you: no idea, but derf was converting the Java to C, so he might be interested to see he doesn't need to
Jul 18 10:20:47 <lcuk_work> or have you sent it over lardman?
Jul 18 10:20:48 <jott> lcuk_work: j@outpo.st
Jul 18 10:21:01 <jott> oh more spam to come ;)
Jul 18 10:21:05 <lardman> lcuk_work: ?
Jul 18 10:21:09 <rm_you> well, if it does need to be ported to C, i could start on that :P
Jul 18 10:21:25 <rm_you> since it is fairly braindead
Jul 18 10:21:25 <lcuk_work> lol
Jul 18 10:21:30 <lardman> we don't have an objective C compiler I'll bet, so it will need to be tweaked
Jul 18 10:21:51 <rm_you> can you combine C/C++?
Jul 18 10:22:22 <rm_you> i would guess so...
Jul 18 10:22:23 <crashanddie> rm_you, compile C, compile C++, link both .o
Jul 18 10:22:28 <rm_you> cool
Jul 18 10:22:38 <lcuk_work> not quite so simple
Jul 18 10:22:46 <lcuk_work> you use c++ as the primary
Jul 18 10:22:57 <lardman> crashanddie: you need to give some extra bits & bobs so they know the name mangling
Jul 18 10:22:58 <crashanddie> isn't that a given ?
Jul 18 10:23:02 <rm_you> well, would objective C need to be ported to C++? i dont really know what it is, but i'm guessing it is supposedly OO C?
Jul 18 10:23:07 <lcuk_work> you can link to c, but if the primary project is c its tough to get c++ into it
Jul 18 10:23:08 <jott> doesn't gcc support objective c?
Jul 18 10:23:31 <rm_you> that would be handy
Jul 18 10:23:49 <crashanddie> just write everything in assembly :D
Jul 18 10:23:49 <rm_you> cause this code looks very usable
Jul 18 10:24:01 <rm_you> and would mean a quick jump to QR codes :P
Jul 18 10:24:17 <lardman> sounds good :)
Jul 18 10:24:24 <lcuk_work> but most barcodes arent qr, upn/ean == most of the world
Jul 18 10:24:51 <rm_you> UPN/EAN = 1d?
Jul 18 10:24:57 <lcuk_work> yer
Jul 18 10:25:00 <rm_you> right
Jul 18 10:25:10 <rm_you> i'm saying, once you get 1d working, just tack the code from this onto it :P
Jul 18 10:25:17 <rm_you> and then it does both
Jul 18 10:25:19 <rm_you> :)
Jul 18 10:25:46 <lcuk_work> absolutely :)
Jul 18 10:25:48 <glass> 2d's can be read in j2me even
Jul 18 10:25:55 <u1106> i guess (yes GUESS) the camera is not suitable for upn/ean
Jul 18 10:26:01 <lcuk_work> but within 1d barcodes theres a LTO of variations
Jul 18 10:26:10 <u1106> anybody knows?
Jul 18 10:26:11 <lcuk_work> u1106, why not?
Jul 18 10:26:11 <lardman> lcuk_work: 2D codes are more interesting, they can contain URLS and th elike
Jul 18 10:26:26 <glass> nokia has an 2d barcode app bundled with many phones
Jul 18 10:26:54 <zap> it sucks\
Jul 18 10:26:54 <u1106> is the resolution good enough?
Jul 18 10:26:54 <lcuk_work> lardman, granted but they arent used in shops yet.  and lbt wont be able to automatically untick items with his shopper app if we just know 2d ;)
Jul 18 10:26:57 <u1106> yes 2
Jul 18 10:27:03 <zap> I tried it with N95, it couldn't recognize any barcode I tried
Jul 18 10:27:06 <rm_you> LOL yeah
Jul 18 10:27:11 <glass> theres also at least couple of companies trying to push their 2d barcode readers for use
Jul 18 10:27:17 <rm_you> barcode integration with shopper / PyShop = WIN
Jul 18 10:27:23 <lardman> lcuk_work: not just, as well
Jul 18 10:27:30 <zap> I think I've read about some magazines printing 2D urls and such on their pages
Jul 18 10:27:31 <jott> rm_you: that's why it was started ;)
Jul 18 10:27:39 <lardman> lcuk_work: There was a 2D code in the Times yesterday, a datamatrix one
Jul 18 10:27:41 <glass> zap: yeah
Jul 18 10:27:41 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 10:27:56 <rm_you> jott: so how much of this will be portable to the morse program? :P lol
Jul 18 10:27:59 <u1106> yes 2D work in phones with > 2Mpix cameras
Jul 18 10:28:00 <lcuk_work> nice lardman :)  i know they are being used
Jul 18 10:28:06 <lcuk_work> :D:D:D:D:D rm
Jul 18 10:28:07 <glass> u1106: no need for that high
Jul 18 10:28:24 <glass> u1106: semacode reader worked with 640x480 ok
Jul 18 10:28:24 <zap> 640x480 should be enough even for datamatrix
Jul 18 10:28:31 <u1106> but IT is only VGA, isn't it
Jul 18 10:28:33 <jott> rm_you: hah camera code can be reused ;)
Jul 18 10:28:47 <glass> u1106: depends on how much data the 2d code has of course
Jul 18 10:28:49 <rm_you> jott: and possibly the locator parts? :P
Jul 18 10:28:51 <lardman> u1106: just get closer to the page then
Jul 18 10:28:56 <rm_you> image part isolation
Jul 18 10:29:02 <glass> but for 30-40 bytes or so no problem with shit cameras
Jul 18 10:29:09 <jott> rm_you: hehe find n8x0 in image :P
Jul 18 10:29:14 <rm_you> the camera doesn't focus well at very close range
Jul 18 10:29:19 <u1106> but the optics doesn't allow you getting to close
Jul 18 10:29:30 <rm_you> jott: just has to be large white area
Jul 18 10:29:37 <lcuk_work> kryton: "ok, so thats macro zoom, what about my other features.  i can't seem to get the radio to work.  no matter how much i tweak my nipples i cannot tune into jazz fm"
Jul 18 10:29:39 <rm_you> jott: or not so large, but pulsing
Jul 18 10:29:46 <u1106> fix-focus for 2 meters or something like that
Jul 18 10:29:46 <glass> i think the camera in tablets should be at least the same quality as on 3650...
Jul 18 10:29:46 <lardman> rm_you, u1106: ah, ok
Jul 18 10:30:01 <jott> rm_you: heh now it goes form spatial to temporal ;)
Jul 18 10:30:02 <rm_you> jott: cause will need to locate (probably during an initialization phase) and then receive message
Jul 18 10:30:06 <AStorm> also, please give us a camera on the back :)
Jul 18 10:30:12 <AStorm> for n900 :)
Jul 18 10:30:17 <zap> I have seen some library for 2D codes, forgot its name
Jul 18 10:30:24 <zap> most test images were < 640x480
Jul 18 10:30:32 <zap> and it recogized most of them fine
Jul 18 10:30:40 <zap> except pathological cases, that is
Jul 18 10:30:44 <u1106> glass: right. does scanning work in 3650?
Jul 18 10:31:08 <rm_you> lardman: i tried to take a picture of a UPC barcode with N800 as part of a RMA request (i couldnt find my digital camera) and trying to get it readable was very bad
Jul 18 10:31:15 <rm_you> but hopefully it is enough for a reader app
Jul 18 10:31:23 <glass> u1106: semacode worked with it
Jul 18 10:31:55 <glass> u1106: not sure what you mean with scanning
Jul 18 10:31:57 <lcuk_work> rm_you, thats why you scan each and every scan line and identify everything you can and try multiple times per image to obtain a valid code (with error checking algo)
Jul 18 10:32:00 <lardman> rm_you: hmm, not ideal; I've not tried it yet :)
Jul 18 10:32:13 <u1106> glass: reading bar codes
Jul 18 10:32:44 <glass> u1106: 1d codes no, semacode is 2d barcodes
Jul 18 10:33:25 <glass> u1106: not too small printed of course
Jul 18 10:34:38 <u1106> glass: right, that's what I meant. bar codes was just sloppy language
Jul 18 11:07:13 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: tsk, your travel page mod hasn't got your arrival date in chronological order! ;-p
Jul 18 11:07:24 <JamieBennett> :P
Jul 18 11:07:34 <Jaffa> s/date/time/
Jul 18 11:07:35 <infobot> Jaffa meant: JamieBennett: tsk, your travel page mod hasn't got your arrival time in chronological order! ;-p
Jul 18 11:07:41 <JamieBennett> I'll go change it :D
Jul 18 11:07:42 <Jaffa> ...and departure too. Much tskityness.
Jul 18 11:07:53 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: ta, I'm pedantic like that :)
Jul 18 11:08:18 <JamieBennett> On a similar note I didn't realise lardman was from Bath, me too, small world
Jul 18 11:08:34 <lardman> yes indeed :)
Jul 18 11:08:57 <JamieBennett> cool
Jul 18 11:11:07 <JamieBennett> that ok Jaffa? ;)
Jul 18 11:12:55 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: much better. Now, I *could* quibble about "1900" on departure time when all the other times on the page are "hh:mm" ;-)
Jul 18 11:13:09 <JamieBennett> :P
Jul 18 11:13:14 * Jaffa looking forward to it.
Jul 18 11:13:22 <JamieBennett> indeed
Jul 18 11:13:28 <Jaffa> And hopefully in the next sprint we'll kick off council elections :)
Jul 18 11:13:43 <JamieBennett> jaffa: lets hope so.
Jul 18 11:14:44 <JamieBennett> Anyone know the layout of cbase, i.e. what kinds of rooms are they? Lecture rooms (lots of seats tiered) or normal one level rooms? Need to know for camera and mic placements e.t.c for recordings
Jul 18 11:15:18 * lcuk_work will be stood as far away from the mic as possible
Jul 18 11:15:42 <JamieBennett> wireless ones? pinned to the t-shirt?
Jul 18 11:24:54 <jott> lcuk_work: you could pre-record your talk on the n810 and just plugin the audio jacket when it's your turn ;)
Jul 18 11:25:16 <jott> JamieBennett: http://wiki.c-base.org/coredump/BauPlan
Jul 18 11:25:49 <JamieBennett> jott, thanks
Jul 18 11:26:03 <oilinki> hi, has been reports of hot n810 with diablo & display on (maemo mapper)?
Jul 18 11:26:30 <oilinki> has there been..
Jul 18 11:27:09 <Jaffa> Not that I've read, but I don't use Maemo Mapper
Jul 18 11:27:23 <lardman> Right, I've updated the barcode code to use all integer arithmetic, I hope it works, sort of. I also hope it's nearly compilable now
Jul 18 11:27:32 <lcuk_work> :) jott, ive got better idea than that.  graffiti will look good on a projected display.   my 810 is perfect as a control device with my own hand held notes.  hopefully it will work in time
Jul 18 11:27:34 <lardman> barcode recognition code that shold be
Jul 18 11:27:42 <oilinki> I was driving today and the maemo-mapper was on. inside car it was may 26C and the tablet was quite hot after 45 minutes or so.
Jul 18 11:27:51 <jott> lcuk_work: don't drop the n810 though :P
Jul 18 11:28:09 <lcuk_work> feck off
Jul 18 11:28:10 <lcuk_work> :P
Jul 18 11:28:11 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/Simon_1D.c as I don't have SVN access here
Jul 18 11:28:33 <jott> ?!
Jul 18 11:28:45 <jott> it's your project you must have access :P
Jul 18 11:28:52 * lcuk_work doesnt drop his nokia (often)
Jul 18 11:28:54 <lardman> I'm on WinXP atm
Jul 18 11:29:02 <lcuk_work> tortoiseSVN
Jul 18 11:29:04 <lardman> no svn
Jul 18 11:29:05 <jott> ^^
Jul 18 11:29:14 <jott> tortoise is just fine for windows
Jul 18 11:29:18 <lardman> yeah, it can wait 'till I get home at lunch time
Jul 18 11:29:20 <jott> heh
Jul 18 11:29:24 <lcuk_work> integrated into explorer with pretty icons to show file status :) its very nice
Jul 18 11:29:39 * lardman prefers to not use Windows for development
Jul 18 11:29:56 <lardman> it has a nasty habit of screwing up line breaks and the like
Jul 18 11:30:02 <Jaffa> Tortoise is really the best svn interface I've ever used.
Jul 18 11:30:03 * lcuk_work uses OSS editor for development
Jul 18 11:30:16 <lcuk_work> komodo-edit ftw
Jul 18 11:30:58 <JamieBennett> vi ;)
Jul 18 11:31:55 <jott> ed
Jul 18 11:31:58 <Jaffa> Blimey, Karel is coming to the summit :
Jul 18 11:33:18 <lcuk_work> lardman: your "curiously black=0 and white=1 is because the image data 0=black (no light),   255=white (fullbright)
Jul 18 11:33:44 <lardman> lcuk_work: yeah
Jul 18 11:33:54 <lardman> lcuk_work: one of those comments to self sorts of things :)
Jul 18 11:34:27 <lcuk_work> my code is full of them :) most programs start as notes which get fleshed out with wtfs along the way for specifics
Jul 18 11:38:11 <jott> hehe you should put "wtf" in precious places as comments in your code. any subsequent reader will "accept" your code as it is then ;P
Jul 18 11:47:10 <lardman> oops, typos on lines 257 & 290, should be: code[i] = (code[i]*100/factor+50)/10;
Jul 18 11:47:30 <lardman> hmm
Jul 18 11:47:34 <lardman> perhaps not
Jul 18 11:47:36 <lardman> ignore me
Jul 18 11:47:39 <lcuk_work> lol
Jul 18 11:48:54 <wnd> lardman, talking of typos, you may want to add a closing bracket in line 96
Jul 18 11:49:19 <lardman> indeed, thanks
Jul 18 11:51:16 <lardman> just looking at the 2D QR code
Jul 18 11:51:25 <lardman> is that objective-C?
Jul 18 11:52:01 <lardman> looks nasty
Jul 18 11:59:39 <trickie> lardman: obj-c is ok once you know the syntax additions over normal C
Jul 18 11:59:54 <trickie> some good docs at the apple developer site IIRC
Jul 18 12:00:56 <rm_you> again, i could take a crack at porting it back to normal C or else to C++ if you think it is worthwhile
Jul 18 12:01:13 <lardman> trickie: ok
Jul 18 12:01:38 <lardman> rm_you: have a chat to derf, he started porting the original Java code to C yesterday
Jul 18 12:01:46 <lardman> I don't know how far along he's got
Jul 18 12:02:11 <rm_you> derf: poke
Jul 18 12:02:17 <rm_you> derf: ping
Jul 18 12:03:09 * lardman wanders homw for lunch & programming
Jul 18 12:03:10 <rm_you> lardman: opinions on our statusbar applet using 420k of memory? is that too much?
Jul 18 12:03:25 <lardman> statusbar applet for what?
Jul 18 12:03:33 <rm_you> advanced-backlight
Jul 18 12:03:34 <Toba> for failure
Jul 18 12:03:43 <lardman> no idea tbh
Jul 18 12:03:43 <rm_you> 420kb of cached icon pixmaps
Jul 18 12:03:44 <Toba> hi pupnik_
Jul 18 12:03:48 <lardman> bbiab
Jul 18 12:03:49 <Toba> procto hsays hi
Jul 18 12:03:56 <Toba> -h
Jul 18 12:04:16 <Jaffa> rm_you: 420KB sounds fine to me
Jul 18 12:04:29 <rm_you> jott was concerned :P
Jul 18 12:04:35 <rm_you> i'm deciding...
Jul 18 12:04:43 <zap> rm_you: have you pushed your osso-software-unlocked to extra-devel? Can't find it there
Jul 18 12:04:46 <rm_you> it's a jump from 210kb for the original icon caching
Jul 18 12:05:06 <rm_you> zap: not yet, was waiting for people to say it was ok and not hang me for it
Jul 18 12:05:25 <zap> rm_you: I just thought, it won't work as an automatic dependence
Jul 18 12:05:31 <rm_you> zap: if you want it, it is in: deb http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs binary/
Jul 18 12:05:42 <rm_you> zap: yeah unless it is in extras
Jul 18 12:05:51 <rm_you> zap: or if you include THAT repo
Jul 18 12:05:52 <zap> I was thinking to make my libfreetype6 to depend on it
Jul 18 12:06:04 <zap> rm_you: nope, it won't work even if it's there
Jul 18 12:06:08 <rm_you> zap: well, wait a day or so and see if people are willing to use it
Jul 18 12:06:14 <rm_you> zap: yes, it does
Jul 18 12:06:20 <rm_you> zap: if you include that repo it will work
Jul 18 12:06:20 <zap> you will have to install it first manually
Jul 18 12:06:20 <lcuk_work> rm_you, the advanced_backobese addin is looking good
Jul 18 12:06:26 <rm_you> zap: no
Jul 18 12:06:31 <rm_you> zap: it works, i tested
Jul 18 12:06:49 <rm_you> lcuk_work: lol
Jul 18 12:06:55 <zap> rm_you: let's suppose libfreetype6 depends on osso-software-unlocked
Jul 18 12:07:06 <zap> rm_you: I do "apt-get install libfreetype6", right?
Jul 18 12:07:25 <rm_you> zap: yet
Jul 18 12:07:28 <rm_you> zap: yep
Jul 18 12:07:38 <zap> and then apt-get will tell me that it cannot upgrade libfreetype6, becaise osso-softare-version-rx44 depends on libfreetype6-1osso1
Jul 18 12:07:51 <zap> and it won't even try to download osso-software-unlocked
Jul 18 12:08:06 <rm_you> zap: yes it will
Jul 18 12:08:06 <rm_you> http://slexy.org/view/s20XlDA1g8
Jul 18 12:08:14 <rm_you> i take care of that
Jul 18 12:08:45 <rm_you> it works
Jul 18 12:08:55 <rm_you> dependency magic on my side
Jul 18 12:08:57 <zap> aha, that's because osso-software-unlocked conflicts with osso-software-version-rx?4 ?
Jul 18 12:09:01 <rm_you> yep
Jul 18 12:09:03 <rm_you> replaces
Jul 18 12:09:28 <zap> aha, thats good
Jul 18 12:09:30 <rm_you> zap: trust me, it works ;P
Jul 18 12:10:00 <zap> well it's kind of hard to test such a thing... its not easy to get back to osso-software-rx44 once you installed the unlocked version
Jul 18 12:10:08 <rm_you> lcuk_work: so what do you think? 420kb?
Jul 18 12:10:14 <rm_you> zap: yes it is
Jul 18 12:10:18 <rm_you> zap: i did it like 5 times
Jul 18 12:10:20 <rm_you> or more
Jul 18 12:10:23 <rm_you> during testing
Jul 18 12:10:32 <zap> I know, but I accidentally did an apt-get upgrade after I unlocked it
Jul 18 12:10:36 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 12:10:39 <zap> and got lot of new crap like libdb4 and such
Jul 18 12:10:41 <rm_you> i have a folder with all the original debs
Jul 18 12:10:42 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 12:10:49 <rm_you> i just do dpkg -i origdebs/*.deb
Jul 18 12:10:55 <zap> :) I got it yesterday too, after figuring out the password
Jul 18 12:10:59 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 12:11:03 <rm_you> its from Wargames :P
Jul 18 12:11:12 <rm_you> total win, Nokia :P
Jul 18 12:11:12 <zap> who?
Jul 18 12:11:17 <rm_you> the password
Jul 18 12:11:19 <rm_you> JOSHUA
Jul 18 12:11:26 <zap> hmm I thought its from bible
Jul 18 12:11:29 <rm_you> you seen Wargames?
Jul 18 12:11:32 <zap> nope
Jul 18 12:11:36 <rm_you> !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 18 12:11:39 <rm_you> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 18 12:11:48 <rm_you> zap: go watch Wargames immediately
Jul 18 12:11:49 <muzz2k> Wargames is an awesome film
Jul 18 12:11:52 <rm_you> it's CLASSIC
Jul 18 12:12:01 <rm_you> how can you not have seen Wargames
Jul 18 12:12:03 <zap> I watch only what I really want to watch :) say, 1 movie in half of year
Jul 18 12:12:16 <rm_you> and you say you're interested in computers... pfft >_>
Jul 18 12:12:29 <rm_you> next thing you know you'll say you haven't seen Hackers :P
Jul 18 12:12:59 <zap> sure I didn't... those hollywood movies about hackers mostly make me laugh... viruses coming into the computer from the power outlet and such
Jul 18 12:13:06 * rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the eye
Jul 18 12:13:09 <zap> and looking like a bulb moving inside the power cord...
Jul 18 12:13:12 * rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the eye
Jul 18 12:13:16 * rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the liver
Jul 18 12:13:21 * rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the kidney
Jul 18 12:13:41 * rm_you stabs zap repeatedly in the spleen
Jul 18 12:13:59 <zap> and 3D login screens, eek :)
Jul 18 12:14:18 <rm_you> zap: yeah, the network file manager (telnet) visualization is AMAZINGLY LOL
Jul 18 12:14:20 <zap> and falling green letters and digits, yes
Jul 18 12:14:38 <rm_you> but the movie is CLASSIC
Jul 18 12:14:54 <zap> you mean this kind of visualisation -> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
Jul 18 12:15:36 <rm_you> lol no
Jul 18 12:15:42 <rm_you> like crazy 3d insanity
Jul 18 12:15:53 <zap> I don't really care if its classic or no :) but they're very far away from reality
Jul 18 12:15:57 <rm_you> with a camera that moves around the filesystem, which is big glowing towers of green text
Jul 18 12:16:10 <rm_you> but that's not the point
Jul 18 12:16:14 <rm_you> in fact, that's part of the hilaritty
Jul 18 12:16:16 <zap> it is
Jul 18 12:16:27 <rm_you> it's high-lariou
Jul 18 12:16:29 <zap> the whole film, not just visualisation, is very far from reality
Jul 18 12:16:29 <rm_you> *s
Jul 18 12:16:30 <Jaffa> Wargames is very realistic in terms of its technology, no silly 3D flythroughs.
Jul 18 12:16:36 <rm_you> truth
Jul 18 12:16:40 <rm_you> Jaffa: seen hackers?
Jul 18 12:16:46 <zap> maybe, haven't seen it. I'm talking about hacker-films in general
Jul 18 12:16:53 <rm_you> *Hackers
Jul 18 12:17:28 <rm_you> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/
Jul 18 12:17:39 <rm_you> it's got Angelina Jolie as a hacker chick :P
Jul 18 12:17:43 <aquatix> :)
Jul 18 12:17:54 <Jaffa> rm_you: when it came out, yeah. Don't remember being /that/ impressed...
Jul 18 12:17:58 <aquatix> Hackers rocks, but only for the movie, not for the weird 3D renders
Jul 18 12:18:03 <rm_you> It's hilarious
Jul 18 12:18:09 <rm_you> aquatix: exactly
Jul 18 12:18:10 <aquatix> hackers 2, takedown is more realistic
Jul 18 12:18:14 <rm_you> oh god yes
Jul 18 12:18:19 <aquatix> i like the soundtracks btw
Jul 18 12:18:28 <rm_you> DRAMATIC STAREDOWN over an ssh session FTW
Jul 18 12:18:36 <rm_you> that was *awesome*
Jul 18 12:19:13 <rm_you> zap: fine, just watch Takedown, it's basically Hackers2, except redone, not cheesy, and based on Kevin Mitnick
Jul 18 12:19:13 <aquatix> better than a taperobotfight
Jul 18 12:19:15 <zap> "the evil computer genius behind the virus" bwahahahah
Jul 18 12:19:31 <zap> it's bullshit, sorry :)
Jul 18 12:19:36 <rm_you> zap: yeah it's so super cheesy
Jul 18 12:19:46 <rm_you> zap: it's basically cult classic, except for geeks :P
Jul 18 12:19:52 <rm_you> zap: like rocky horror >_>
Jul 18 12:20:00 <rm_you> so horrible, but people love it
Jul 18 12:20:19 <rm_you> you have to like laughing at cheesy stuff i guess :P
Jul 18 12:20:44 <zap> ok, whatever, I would like to see your software-unlocked in extras
Jul 18 12:20:55 <zap> not that my vote counts for too much, but you have mine :)
Jul 18 12:21:05 <rm_you> ok, I can upload it, I just hope I don't get my extras account disabled for it ;P
Jul 18 12:22:01 <zap> we can test Nokia how far in openness they're ready to go :)
Jul 18 12:22:17 <zap> besides, an account is just an account... you can open a new one ;-)
Jul 18 12:22:39 <rm_you> X-Fade has to approve it :P
Jul 18 12:24:13 <rm_you> interestingly though, you will only be able to Depend on it in diablo
Jul 18 12:24:21 <rm_you> if you build chinook packages you cannot
Jul 18 12:24:38 <rm_you> since no such osso-software-version system exists
Jul 18 12:27:44 <jott> swordfish is funny too in terms of "hacker" movies ... getting a bj while doing manual rsa decryption or so ;)
Jul 18 12:28:03 <JamieBennett> happens everyday ;)
Jul 18 12:28:08 <jott> heh ;)
Jul 18 12:31:45 <rm_you> LOL yeah
Jul 18 12:32:08 <rm_you> halle berry topless is win tho >_>
Jul 18 12:32:21 <rm_you> also, making a virus by forcing a cube together :P
Jul 18 12:32:26 <rm_you> I love his monitor setup tho
Jul 18 12:33:17 <rm_you> personally, I like those movies BECAUSE I know exactly how ridiculous they are :)
Jul 18 12:33:30 <rm_you> if they werent as ridiculous they would be good, but probably not AS good.
Jul 18 12:42:48 <rm_you> almost as good as the anime Battle Programmer Shirase :P
Jul 18 12:47:42 <rm_you> this anime is hilarious
Jul 18 12:47:43 <rm_you> http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcnDUALC_5s
Jul 18 12:47:47 <rm_you> this ep was LOL
Jul 18 12:48:34 <zap> rm_you: of yes, that's another source of fun :( (chinook)
Jul 18 12:48:54 <rm_you> I could make a chinook package of same title that does NOTHING
Jul 18 12:49:00 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 12:49:00 <zap> rm_you: maybe it would make sense to create an empty osso-software-unlocked package, to avoid having separate rules?
Jul 18 12:49:04 <zap> yes, exactly :)
Jul 18 12:49:05 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 12:49:32 <lcuk_work> is this all to do with including rotation?
Jul 18 12:49:40 <rm_you> and others
Jul 18 12:49:40 <zap> not only
Jul 18 12:49:43 <rm_you> it is a common problem
Jul 18 12:49:52 <zap> basically it's about replacing stock osso packages
Jul 18 12:50:13 <lcuk_work> *gulp*
Jul 18 12:50:33 <zap> what's wrong about it?
Jul 18 12:50:48 <zap> any decent linux distribution does that twice a week :)
Jul 18 12:51:10 <lcuk_work> isnt that a bit risky though?
Jul 18 12:51:13 <rm_you> he uses XWindows :P and terminals :P
Jul 18 12:51:22 <Tu13es> hmm
Jul 18 12:51:28 <rm_you> (battle programmer shirase and enemies) :P
Jul 18 12:51:36 <Tu13es> trying to figure out some use for my n770 at work at my desk
Jul 18 12:51:38 <Tu13es> clock maybe?
Jul 18 12:51:38 <zap> lcuk_work: maemo-extras itself is as risky as replacing stock packages
Jul 18 12:51:42 * Stskeeps dances
Jul 18 12:51:49 <Stskeeps> i got network-manager working on debian :)
Jul 18 12:52:15 * zap has NetworkManager working in Fedora since 2006
Jul 18 12:52:28 <Stskeeps> .. on the tablet
Jul 18 12:52:29 <rm_you> debian on NIT :P
Jul 18 12:52:37 <Stskeeps> yeah, yeah, but i had to hack cx3110x.ko to make it suitable for NM :P
Jul 18 12:52:56 <Tu13es> cmon guys, i know you can think of something
Jul 18 12:53:06 <Stskeeps> Tu13es: rss ticker?
Jul 18 12:53:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 18 12:53:13 <Stskeeps> mirror?
Jul 18 12:53:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 18 12:53:19 <Tu13es> mirror?
Jul 18 12:53:25 <Tu13es> I have google reader for rss
Jul 18 12:53:26 <Stskeeps> (camera app open and viewing yourself)
Jul 18 12:53:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 18 12:53:31 <Tu13es> that would require a camera
Jul 18 12:53:32 <lcuk_work> rss, handheld pron viewer, you can just whip it out when no1s looking
Jul 18 12:53:36 <Stskeeps> ah, true, 770
Jul 18 12:53:45 <Tu13es> heh
Jul 18 12:53:51 <lcuk_work> Tu13es even
Jul 18 12:53:56 <zap> Stskeeps: ah, debian on n8xx?
Jul 18 12:54:01 <Stskeeps> zap: yeah
Jul 18 12:54:08 <Stskeeps> as in not the chroot stuff
Jul 18 12:54:12 <zap> that makes a bit of difference
Jul 18 12:54:13 <rm_you> rss handhelp pornreader? rss porn? does this exist? :P
Jul 18 12:54:19 <rm_you> if it doesn't, it needs to? :P
Jul 18 12:54:27 <Stskeeps> rm_you: there's porn forums.. then there must be porn rss
Jul 18 12:54:50 <lcuk_work> yer, the aggregator has sticky windows
Jul 18 12:54:54 <zap> mirror/clock/alarm
Jul 18 12:54:56 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 12:55:02 <zap> switching between functions with voice
Jul 18 12:55:07 <Tu13es> there aren't many good clcok apps for the nxxx :(
Jul 18 12:55:11 <zap> a popular app that would be
Jul 18 12:55:14 <rm_you> daliclock?
Jul 18 12:55:22 <rm_you> i think is good?
Jul 18 12:55:26 <lcuk_work> i leave liqbase starfield running which has clock :)
Jul 18 12:55:28 <Tu13es> hmm
Jul 18 12:55:33 <zap> Tu13es: Mediaplayer has a large clock
Jul 18 12:55:37 <zap> or how its called
Jul 18 12:55:40 <zap> Media... ummm...
Jul 18 12:56:17 <Tu13es> rm_you: will it work on os2006 or 2007?:
Jul 18 12:56:26 <rm_you> 2007 maybe...
Jul 18 12:56:30 <Jaffa> Tu13es/zap: MediaBox
Jul 18 12:56:31 <rm_you> there is OS2008HE :)
Jul 18 12:56:36 <zap> yes, thats it
Jul 18 12:56:42 <rm_you> ah i forgot about mediabox!
Jul 18 12:56:42 <Jaffa> Very nice media player
Jul 18 12:56:46 <rm_you> i liked that app
Jul 18 12:56:51 <rm_you> i should go back
Jul 18 12:56:58 <lcuk_work> you need bleeding edge software upgrades to view a .... clock?
Jul 18 12:56:59 <Tu13es> 2008HE runs awefully on the n770
Jul 18 12:57:02 <zap> MediaBox is the best media player for n8xx, although not perfect
Jul 18 12:57:10 <rm_you> aww mediabox not in extras?
Jul 18 12:57:13 <Jaffa> zap: agreed on both points
Jul 18 12:57:20 <Jaffa> rm_you: err, I thought it was
Jul 18 12:57:24 <rm_you> diablo :/
Jul 18 12:57:43 <rm_you> i switched off chinook extras a little bit ago to use pure diablo extras
Jul 18 12:57:48 <zap> me too
Jul 18 12:57:53 <rm_you> figured it was time
Jul 18 12:57:55 * lcuk_work still thinks diablo isnt quite stable enough
Jul 18 12:58:08 * lcuk_work might install os2006 soon 
Jul 18 12:58:08 <zap> what you call stable
Jul 18 12:58:08 <rm_you> yea, but it is up to us developers to fix it :P
Jul 18 12:58:21 <rm_you> so we had better adopt quickly! :)
Jul 18 12:58:22 <Jaffa> lcuk_work: only problem I've really had is bloody RSS feeds not updating
Jul 18 12:58:35 * zap doesn't see any regress in diablo compared to chinook
Jul 18 12:58:40 <lcuk_work> its the dev environment for me
Jul 18 12:58:58 <lcuk_work> its been a pain setting it up and i dont wanna have double pain
Jul 18 12:59:05 <snowmoon-work> I think *most* people saw some improvement in Dablo, but there are still a few edge cases that are much worse
Jul 18 12:59:11 <zap> scratchbox? it installs quickly and easily
Jul 18 12:59:17 <lcuk_work> on 810?
Jul 18 12:59:21 <zap> no\
Jul 18 12:59:28 * snowmoon-work runs and hides at the mention of scratchbox
Jul 18 12:59:33 <lcuk_work> how else can i compile while im at work?
Jul 18 12:59:39 <rm_you> lcuk_work: if you did root on sd, it would be easy as you already have ext :P
Jul 18 12:59:41 <zap> developing on n8xx is kind of BDSM
Jul 18 12:59:50 <rm_you> lcuk_work: ssh to your buildbox
Jul 18 12:59:59 <zap> lcuk_work: you don't have computers at your work?
Jul 18 13:00:02 <snowmoon-work> zap: BDSM or just M?
Jul 18 13:00:09 <rm_you> lcuk_work: my buildbox with scratchbox is in another state :P
Jul 18 13:00:21 <zap> snowmoon-work: not sure yet... have to see how it actually occurs
Jul 18 13:00:23 <lcuk_work> zap, not at all :) liqbase is very modular so compilatiuon is quick - even when i need to do a full rebuild, its only about 60seconds
Jul 18 13:00:26 <rm_you> i dev from windows, linux, tablet, whatever computer i want, dont have to set up svn, scratchbox, anything
Jul 18 13:00:41 <rm_you> just ssh into my build server
Jul 18 13:00:41 <lcuk_work> zap, yes but not when im downstairs havin a smoke
Jul 18 13:01:03 <zap> you're a smoked developer?
Jul 18 13:01:06 <lcuk_work> who presses the power button after it goes off?
Jul 18 13:01:16 <rm_you> lcuk_work: why would it go off?
Jul 18 13:01:28 <rm_you> lcuk_work: i'd have to call someone >_> but it wouldn't go off
Jul 18 13:01:36 <lcuk_work> never say never
Jul 18 13:01:44 <zap> lcuk_work: get the wimax edition and work via ssh then :)
Jul 18 13:01:46 <rm_you> it wouldn't unless *it* physically caught fire
Jul 18 13:02:16 <rm_you> the building it is in is on UPS and generators
Jul 18 13:02:24 <rm_you> in case power goes out
Jul 18 13:02:34 <lcuk_work> has your machine got perfect uptime then?
Jul 18 13:02:37 <rm_you> yep
Jul 18 13:02:45 <rm_you> never once been shut off since i turned it on
Jul 18 13:02:51 <rm_you> IE, installed ubuntu
Jul 18 13:03:26 <lcuk_work> cool then :) what do you use for editing
Jul 18 13:03:43 <rm_you> vim
Jul 18 13:03:54 <rm_you> same as on my home linux box, n800, and in windows
Jul 18 13:04:20 <Jaffa> rm_you: vim 7's now in diablo extras-devel btw. Will promote it to extras when I integrate a menu shortcut
Jul 18 13:04:27 <rm_you> Jaffa: sweet
Jul 18 13:04:32 <zap> vim doesn't follow the "principle of least surprise"
Jul 18 13:04:35 <rm_you> i forget whose repo i had to install for that...
Jul 18 13:04:39 <rm_you> zap: ?
Jul 18 13:04:40 <zap> every key combination in it is a surprise to me
Jul 18 13:04:44 <rm_you> LOL
Jul 18 13:04:50 <rm_you> i know what almost every key does
Jul 18 13:04:51 <rm_you> ALMOST
Jul 18 13:04:52 <Jaffa> rm_you: vim's one of my test beds for mud :-)
Jul 18 13:04:58 <rm_you> still a few that surprise me periodically :P
Jul 18 13:05:29 <rm_you> been using vim full-time for text editing for... 8 years
Jul 18 13:05:31 <rm_you> wow
Jul 18 13:05:37 <rm_you> i just realized how long that is
Jul 18 13:05:42 <snowmoon-work> Jaffa: I'm still new to debian, .deb has no way to include by reference for a package?  I only ask because this is something dirt simple to do with rpm
Jul 18 13:05:43 <ccooke> rm_you: Is that all? ;-)
Jul 18 13:05:44 <rm_you> i'm only 21 >+>
Jul 18 13:05:46 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 18 13:05:55 <rm_you> so since i was 13
Jul 18 13:06:18 <ccooke> nice
Jul 18 13:06:39 <Jaffa> snowmoon-work: what do you mean "include-by-reference"? Deb format had "this package depends on other-package-'foo'" long before RPM did.
Jul 18 13:06:52 <snowmoon-work> rm_you: If you count line editing basic programs it been like... well how old are you
Jul 18 13:06:55 <rm_you> lcuk_work: lol, was going to paste you the uptime, but it is very perplexing
Jul 18 13:06:57 <ccooke> heh. I hadn't started playing with Linux back then. Well, I guess that's forgivable - it didn't run on my computer :-)
Jul 18 13:07:13 <rm_you> :)
Jul 18 13:07:34 * lcuk_work is used to the finer things in life.  like a mouse and syntax highlighting (maybe you have it?)
Jul 18 13:07:38 <snowmoon-work> Jaffa: No, take blah source and add these patches, compile and assemble.  The spec format does everything mud packages do
Jul 18 13:07:49 <rm_you> ccooke: linux since 7th grade i think... only became my desktop OS in highschool tho
Jul 18 13:08:01 <rm_you> lcuk_work: vim has superb syntax highlighting
Jul 18 13:08:10 <rm_you> lcuk_work: and mouse support in the terminal even, if you enable it
Jul 18 13:08:38 <rm_you> uptime says it has been up for 1 day and 5 hours
Jul 18 13:08:42 <rm_you> but that is very wrong
Jul 18 13:08:48 <ccooke> the first unix OS I played with was Xenix, running on a 486 and about 20 terminals. But that *was* running vi, of course...
Jul 18 13:08:51 <rm_you> since A) if it had gone down, it would not be ON right now
Jul 18 13:08:57 <rm_you> B) I was USING it then
Jul 18 13:09:01 <lcuk_work> most likely not :) if its a shared server chances are it will be rebooted all the  time
Jul 18 13:09:11 <rm_you> and have had this terminal open for the last 3 days
Jul 18 13:09:14 <rm_you> lcuk_work: it isn't
Jul 18 13:09:14 <Jaffa> snowmoon-work: I thought that was only just being suggested to being added to RPM now? I read about the VCS-checkout proposal in LWN yesterday. Agreed, that's partly what mud's for and deb can't do it AFAIK
Jul 18 13:09:23 <rm_you> lcuk_work: and it's in a LOCKED room, by itself
Jul 18 13:09:25 <lardman> jott, lcuk_work: Is the input buffer unsigned char?
Jul 18 13:09:28 <rm_you> I am the only one with root
Jul 18 13:09:31 <lcuk_work> naughty server!
Jul 18 13:09:40 <lcuk_work> in the dungeon
Jul 18 13:09:44 <rm_you> i am very confused
Jul 18 13:10:02 <rm_you> lcuk_work: no, i have like, almost a private office in my computer science department :)
Jul 18 13:10:04 <Jaffa> snowmoon-work: perhaps mud's pacakge format shouldn't be a directory containing patches, icons and an XML file (http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design) but instead use SRPM ;-)
Jul 18 13:10:10 <lcuk_work> maybe it was eaten by a grue
Jul 18 13:10:13 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 13:10:20 <rm_you> it couldn't have restarted tho.
Jul 18 13:10:24 <rm_you> because I was USING IT
Jul 18 13:10:30 <rm_you> DURING the time it says it was restarting
Jul 18 13:10:35 <lcuk_work> you are in a room.  there is a computer and a door infront
Jul 18 13:10:37 <snowmoon-work> Jaffa: 8-o
Jul 18 13:10:39 <rm_you> and before. and after.
Jul 18 13:10:44 <lcuk_work> > turn off computer
Jul 18 13:10:51 <lcuk_work> "Sorry, rM_You is logged in
Jul 18 13:11:00 <lcuk_work> > smash computer
Jul 18 13:11:03 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 13:12:18 <snowmoon-work> Jaffa: If I hadn't been working with RPM/RH based stuff for years now and I really can appreciate the way the src.rpm's and .spec files make life much easier
Jul 18 13:12:26 <lcuk_work> i used to enjoy text adventures, ive been kinda spolit now be 3d graphics engines
Jul 18 13:12:39 <snowmoon-work> er... yeah, more coffee
Jul 18 13:12:46 <rm_you> yeah :/
Jul 18 13:12:54 <rm_you> god, i need to get up and go outside or SOMETHING
Jul 18 13:12:59 <lcuk_work> maybe i could make a text adventure based on unreal tourney (like the 3d ut thing)
Jul 18 13:13:02 <Jaffa> snowmoon-work: ta for the pointer, I'll look at them in more depth - if nothing else, could help with inspiration; but anything which means less coding's going to be a winner
Jul 18 13:13:15 <lcuk_work> 2d ut ^
Jul 18 13:13:27 * snowmoon-work *nods*
Jul 18 13:13:34 <lardman> rm_you: if you're in an office with not many people around, why are you talking here and not playing UT or Doom or something?
Jul 18 13:13:40 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 13:13:43 <rm_you> my schedule for the past week and a half or so has been Wake Up -> Eat -> Work on Maemo stuff -> Chat -> Eat -> More work -> Sleep
Jul 18 13:13:53 <lardman> :) sounds ideal
Jul 18 13:13:57 <rm_you> lardman: i'm at HOME and that is what i do, lol
Jul 18 13:14:10 <rm_you> Maemo, eat, sleep
Jul 18 13:14:23 <rm_you> it is becoming sad tho <_<
Jul 18 13:17:04 <summatusmentis> lardman: d'you mind if I ask you a question regarding kernel stuff(non-maemo related)?
Jul 18 13:19:02 <lardman> sure, I can try to answer
Jul 18 13:20:11 <summatusmentis> how does syscall work? :)
Jul 18 13:21:01 <lardman> I can't tell you off the top of my head I'm afraid
Jul 18 13:21:36 <summatusmentis> alright, I'll ask my mentor
Jul 18 13:21:48 <summatusmentis> (summer of code project, in case you were wondering)
Jul 18 13:22:12 <Stskeeps> as in OS system calls? wikipedia has a nice article that is pretty straight to the point :P
Jul 18 13:22:12 <lardman> I assumed that from the mentor bit :)
Jul 18 13:22:16 <lardman> Google should know though
Jul 18 13:24:26 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps: my understanding is that syscall(a function provided by glibc) allows you to make OS system calls.
Jul 18 13:25:02 <Stskeeps> aye, it's just a wrapper around some assembly causing the trap into the kernel :P
Jul 18 13:25:13 <lophyte> morning all
Jul 18 13:25:58 <lardman> with a big list of special numbers which map to certain fns
Jul 18 13:25:59 <lophyte> heh... Stskeeps as in the unrealircd guy?
Jul 18 13:26:23 <Stskeeps> lophyte: .. maybe
Jul 18 13:26:29 <lophyte> haha
Jul 18 13:26:56 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps: right. ok, so then I really need to talk to my mentor
Jul 18 13:27:27 <Stskeeps> summatusmentis: what's your SoC project about again?
Jul 18 13:27:27 <snowmoon-work> pyinotity... sweet, it's already in extras.  one more step to conquering the world
Jul 18 13:28:10 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps: implementing AFS pioctl() calls into the kAFS(in-kernel AFS) client implementation
Jul 18 13:29:02 <lophyte> Stskeeps: no worries, just curious
Jul 18 13:29:25 <Stskeeps> lophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets
Jul 18 13:29:37 <lophyte> ahh, you don't work on it anymore?
Jul 18 13:30:10 <Stskeeps> i'm there but i don't code that much, i support occasionally
Jul 18 13:30:16 <lophyte> oh
Jul 18 13:30:26 <Stskeeps> the free time i have is used for reading for studies, working and coding some for NIT-Debian
Jul 18 13:30:51 <lophyte> cool.. I've been running unreal for years
Jul 18 13:31:00 * lcuk_work wonders what this "freetime" you speak of is
Jul 18 13:31:13 <lophyte> haha, yeah.. foreign concept lcuk
Jul 18 13:31:20 <Stskeeps> lcuk_work: it's like the idle loop of humans
Jul 18 13:31:29 * lophyte doesn't have any idle loops
Jul 18 13:31:31 <Stskeeps> and i try to avoid being idle
Jul 18 13:31:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 18 13:31:52 <lcuk_work> unrealircd?  can i get UT99 for linux?
Jul 18 13:32:09 <rm_you> lcuk_work: actually yes :P
Jul 18 13:32:11 <lcuk_work> and hence, when we get pvr, can i get UT99 for maemo?
Jul 18 13:32:36 <lophyte> unfortunately my hobby became my career.. so I rarely do any leisure coding any more :\
Jul 18 13:32:59 * lcuk_work thinks that sounds good though
Jul 18 13:33:12 <lcuk_work> your leasure coding feeds you
Jul 18 13:33:19 <lcuk_work> just be sure you enjoy your hobby first
Jul 18 13:33:31 <Stskeeps> i could technically be paid for the work i do with my tablet / debian, but then i would have to give copyright of the stuff i make for uni :P
Jul 18 13:33:32 <lophyte> true enough.. but I don't have full control over it
Jul 18 13:33:53 <lophyte> ie. I can't do maemo development and be paid for it ;)
Jul 18 13:34:13 <lcuk_work> Stskeeps, it would be better as gpl Stskeeps, you get credit, the uni get credit, everyone is happy
Jul 18 13:34:47 <lophyte> though, I *am* working on some pretty cool stuff that might be GPL'd
Jul 18 13:34:59 <Stskeeps> lcuk_work: in any case, when it's my own stuff, it'd be bsd licensed :P
Jul 18 13:35:36 <lcuk_work> fair enough you liberal land lubber
Jul 18 13:35:37 <lcuk_work> :P
Jul 18 13:36:40 <lardman> how can I do this?: int match[6]; match = {1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1};
Jul 18 13:37:14 <lardman> I know I should be able to initialise using the {}, but I want to change all the values at run time too
Jul 18 13:37:24 <lcuk_work> int match[6] = {1,1,1,1,1,1};
Jul 18 13:37:34 <lophyte> is that in C?
Jul 18 13:37:46 <lardman> yes
Jul 18 13:37:52 <lophyte> huh, I didn't know you could do that in C
Jul 18 13:38:02 <lophyte> then again I haven't touched C in a *long* time
Jul 18 13:38:02 <Stskeeps> prolly in some wacked gcc-specific extension
Jul 18 13:38:23 <lophyte> <-- python coder
Jul 18 13:38:34 <lardman> no, in my C book (so <=C99)
Jul 18 13:38:44 <rm_you> erk? that's how I always set up arrays in C >_>
Jul 18 13:38:48 <rm_you> is it wrong? <_<
Jul 18 13:38:54 <Stskeeps> same here, these days.. i just got fed up with all the loopholes you have to go through with C/Java, instead of code that actually does what you mean
Jul 18 13:39:25 <Stskeeps> i can code both quite well (c/java/etc) but when i prototype stuff, python is just nicer ;)
Jul 18 13:39:39 <lardman> so there's no way of changing the values of an entire array in one line, unless you're initialising it?
Jul 18 13:39:54 <lardman> memcpy would require that I have the data elsewhere
Jul 18 13:39:59 <Stskeeps> not beyond making a function to do it
Jul 18 13:40:22 <rm_you> lardman: if you're changing EVERY value, can't you just... delete it and replace it or something like that?
Jul 18 13:40:28 <lophyte> I never got into C/Java for that reason
Jul 18 13:40:42 <lophyte> you had so many other considerations outside of making the program do what you want
Jul 18 13:40:54 <lardman> rm_you: yeah, perhaps
Jul 18 13:41:17 <lophyte> < Stskeeps> lophyte: but yeah, i started the unrealircd project.. and then i happened to stumble upon these lovely tablets
Jul 18 13:41:21 <lophyte> err
Jul 18 13:41:22 <lophyte> wtf
Jul 18 13:41:26 * lophyte kicks irssi
Jul 18 13:41:33 <lophyte> sorry
Jul 18 13:41:35 * Jaffa doesn't agree that Python magically lifts any of those other concerns apart from development, compared with Java.
Jul 18 13:41:53 <rm_you> Java is ridiculously easy compared to C imo <_<
Jul 18 13:42:01 <rm_you> I still suck at C comparatively
Jul 18 13:42:09 <rm_you> but Python > all :P
Jul 18 13:42:20 <lophyte> I did a bit of Java, but not much
Jul 18 13:42:52 <rm_you> Java is what I use in programming competitions :P
Jul 18 13:43:27 <Jaffa> Having any of the 3 great Java IDEs (although I personally prefer Eclipse) spoils you for languages like Python ;-)
Jul 18 13:43:36 <lophyte> the PyDev extension for Eclipse is pretty awesome
Jul 18 13:43:40 <rm_you> Jaffa: how does VIM spoil you for Python?
Jul 18 13:44:07 <rm_you> oh
Jul 18 13:44:12 <lophyte> though.. I use VIM more often than not
Jul 18 13:44:15 <rm_you> you probably weren't considering that an IDE, lol
Jul 18 13:44:54 <Jaffa> rm_you: not really - refactoring tools, instant compilation, inline warnings & errors, quick navigation features tend not to exist very well in "plain" text editors.
Jul 18 13:45:02 <rm_you> I compile and test my programs from inside VIM anyway, so i consider it my IDE :P
Jul 18 13:45:08 <Jaffa> heh
Jul 18 13:48:29 <lophyte> time to get down to work I suppose
Jul 18 13:49:03 <lophyte> < lophyte> err
Jul 18 13:49:08 <lophyte> gah
Jul 18 13:49:13 <lophyte> I swear irssi randomly pastes...
Jul 18 13:49:44 <Stskeeps> your irssi is gaining a brain
Jul 18 13:51:41 <lardman> school-boy C question, can arrays be sized by non-static variables?
Jul 18 13:52:29 <rm_you> lol yes
Jul 18 13:52:40 <lardman> good
Jul 18 13:52:46 <rm_you> but they won't change from the time you define them :P
Jul 18 13:52:51 <lardman> I wonder what language doesn't allow that
Jul 18 13:52:57 <lardman> rm_you: no, of course :)
Jul 18 13:52:57 <rm_you> and you better make sure that value gets calculated properly :P
Jul 18 13:53:04 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 13:53:33 <rm_you> or else the ARRAY INDEX OUT OF BOUNDS monster will eat your flesh
Jul 18 13:54:11 <lardman> hmm, so I could define an array like so: int some_array[some_integer_argument]; ?
Jul 18 13:54:19 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 13:54:50 <rm_you> it just takes an INT >_>
Jul 18 13:55:52 <lardman> hmm, still doesn't like me
Jul 18 13:56:06 <rm_you> what does it say?
Jul 18 13:56:17 <lardman>  error: subscripted value is neither array nor pointer
Jul 18 13:56:24 <rm_you> errr
Jul 18 13:56:26 <rm_you> WHAT?
Jul 18 13:56:30 <rm_you> that's random
Jul 18 13:56:48 <lardman> ah, my mistake, +1 inside bracket
Jul 18 13:56:58 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 13:57:03 <lardman> state[length(state+1)] = state[i]; => state[length(state)+1] = state[i];
Jul 18 13:57:22 <rm_you> erk
Jul 18 13:57:29 <rm_you> well i would have expected that to work actually
Jul 18 13:57:31 <rm_you> but
Jul 18 13:57:36 <lardman> #define length(a) a[0]
Jul 18 13:58:02 <rm_you> O
Jul 18 13:58:54 <rm_you> Oh, i was looking at the wrong thing
Jul 18 13:59:00 <rm_you> you said bracket :P
Jul 18 13:59:14 <lardman> () = brackets?
Jul 18 13:59:21 <rm_you> parentheses
Jul 18 13:59:26 <rm_you> [] = brackets
Jul 18 13:59:30 <rm_you> {} = braces :P
Jul 18 13:59:44 <summatusmentis> <> = ?
Jul 18 13:59:48 <lardman> hmm, not in my "never done any comp-sci courses" world
Jul 18 13:59:53 <rm_you> <> angle braces
Jul 18 13:59:58 <rm_you> {} curly braces
Jul 18 14:00:17 <summatusmentis> angle braces? I've always called <> pointy brackets and {} curly brackets
Jul 18 14:00:20 <lcuk_work> [square brackets]    (brackets)    {curly brackets}    <html>
Jul 18 14:00:30 <rm_you> lol that is also acceptable
Jul 18 14:00:34 <mgedmin> <angle brackets>
Jul 18 14:00:45 <wnd> or (round brackets)
Jul 18 14:00:48 <rm_you> brackets is prolly fine for all three
Jul 18 14:01:03 <rm_you> () are definitely parens :P
Jul 18 14:01:04 <mgedmin> I'd understand "brackets" with no qualifier to mean []
Jul 18 14:01:10 <rm_you> yes
Jul 18 14:01:16 <lcuk_work> now ->>>>    #       sharp?   poun d?    octothorp?
Jul 18 14:01:19 <rm_you> if i said braces, would you think {} ?
Jul 18 14:01:21 <mgedmin> hash
Jul 18 14:01:24 <lardman> hash
Jul 18 14:01:24 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 14:01:27 <mgedmin> rm_you: yes
Jul 18 14:01:28 <rm_you> hash bang bin bash :P
Jul 18 14:01:31 <[darkterror46]> yellow :)
Jul 18 14:01:34 <lardman> £ = Pound
Jul 18 14:01:36 <lcuk_work> !bang
Jul 18 14:01:39 <mgedmin> don't forget slash
Jul 18 14:01:42 <rm_you> #!/bin/bash :P
Jul 18 14:01:59 <mgedmin> hash bang slash bin slash bash
Jul 18 14:02:10 <rm_you> lol but that isn't as catchy
Jul 18 14:02:18 <lardman> you can tell it's Friday afternoon ;)
Jul 18 14:02:22 <summatusmentis> lcuk_work: # == number sign
Jul 18 14:02:22 <mgedmin> where does "shebang" come from?
Jul 18 14:02:31 <rm_you> hash + bang i think
Jul 18 14:02:32 <lcuk_work> haych tee tee pee colon backslash slash dot dot org
Jul 18 14:02:37 <wnd> fyi, "parentheses MAINLY US   Show phonetics // plural noun (UK USUALLY (round) brackets)"
Jul 18 14:02:48 <rm_you> just slurring them together
Jul 18 14:02:52 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang
Jul 18 14:03:20 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 14:03:28 <lardman> not much use that entry really
Jul 18 14:03:38 <rm_you> wnd wins
Jul 18 14:03:52 <lardman> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html
Jul 18 14:03:56 <lardman> that's better
Jul 18 14:04:06 <mgedmin> [citation needed]
Jul 18 14:04:09 <lcuk_work> bang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!
Jul 18 14:04:15 <lcuk_work> shebang is more
Jul 18 14:04:33 <summatusmentis> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/18/nokias-n810-stoops-to-a-mouthwatering-299/ I spent too much
Jul 18 14:04:36 <summatusmentis> :)
Jul 18 14:05:01 <rm_you> tempting but still not
Jul 18 14:05:19 <mgedmin> 299 USD
Jul 18 14:05:21 <lophyte> ...299?
Jul 18 14:05:22 <mgedmin> yum
Jul 18 14:05:22 <lophyte> man
Jul 18 14:05:31 <lophyte> I spent $350 for my N800 six months ago
Jul 18 14:05:34 <lophyte> er
Jul 18 14:05:35 <rm_you> lophyte: !??!
Jul 18 14:05:38 <lophyte> nine months ago now
Jul 18 14:05:49 <lophyte> like last October/November
Jul 18 14:05:51 <rm_you> lophyte: I spent $240 in july 2007
Jul 18 14:05:55 <lcuk_work> i paid over £300 for mine i think
Jul 18 14:05:57 <lardman> Floating point exception, not ideal
Jul 18 14:06:00 <lophyte> 240? damn!
Jul 18 14:06:04 <lcuk_work> thats about 10billion dollars aint it?
Jul 18 14:06:06 <rm_you> and it came with 2x 4G SD cards and a bluetooth keyboard
Jul 18 14:06:09 <lophyte> ....
Jul 18 14:06:12 <lophyte> how did you manage that
Jul 18 14:06:16 <rm_you> ITT :P
Jul 18 14:06:27 <lophyte> used?
Jul 18 14:06:54 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 14:06:57 <lophyte> ahh
Jul 18 14:07:13 <lophyte> I bought mine from Dell, it was $320 I think, plus taxes and such
Jul 18 14:07:39 <lophyte> only because I wanted the financing... I was self-employed at the time and didn't want to drop $350'ish all at once
Jul 18 14:07:41 <lcuk_work> lardman :( floats are tough - i know you consider my method overkill, but it cleanly identifies the guardbars - if you recognise 3 guards you can then take those and use your calc on thesection in between to give actual stuff?
Jul 18 14:08:05 <lophyte> I considered selling my n800 for an n810
Jul 18 14:08:21 <lophyte> complete with USB thumb keyboard and BT GPS
Jul 18 14:08:35 <lcuk_work> i considered selling my children for a sports car, but thought i would get in trouble
Jul 18 14:08:36 <summatusmentis> is the n800 the same size as the n810 ?
Jul 18 14:08:43 <lophyte> lcuk_work: hah
Jul 18 14:08:44 <lcuk_work> i mean, i could find out the car is an insurance writeof
Jul 18 14:08:47 <johnx> summatusmentis, a little bigger
Jul 18 14:08:55 <summatusmentis> johnx: ah, ok
Jul 18 14:09:01 <lardman> lcuk_work: that's fair enough, I'm just going to test my code and see if it works (though it has an fp exception, despite not using fp anyway)
Jul 18 14:09:15 <rm_you> ah nm it was $325 :( so i didn't actually beat you by much (well, besides the extras) but that was with shipping to japan :P
Jul 18 14:09:18 <lardman> lcuk_work: sure
Jul 18 14:09:20 <lcuk_work> you certainly were earlier
Jul 18 14:09:22 <rm_you> just looked up the thread :P
Jul 18 14:09:33 <lophyte> rm_you: still, that's a great price
Jul 18 14:09:39 <rm_you> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7959
Jul 18 14:09:40 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 14:10:24 <lophyte> cool
Jul 18 14:10:33 <rm_you> lol, some random guy
Jul 18 14:10:48 <lcuk_work> i wonder if jott knows how to draw onto the gtk surface with the camera data
Jul 18 14:10:56 * lcuk_work will draw glasses on the recognised eyes
Jul 18 14:11:19 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 14:11:25 <rm_you> ack
Jul 18 14:11:34 <rm_you> will installing "adduser" on the tablet make things EXPLODE?
Jul 18 14:11:40 <rm_you> just curious :P
Jul 18 14:11:47 <lcuk_work> lard - interesting thing: i got it recognising my fingers as guard bars last night
Jul 18 14:11:52 <lardman> lol
Jul 18 14:11:54 <lcuk_work> spread out it found them
Jul 18 14:11:56 <rm_you> i want locate support, and mlocate pulls in adduser
Jul 18 14:13:09 <rm_you> gah... running updatedb on tablet >_>
Jul 18 14:13:13 * lcuk_work might remove the screen aspect of the camera and just get raw data: liqbase could them help me
Jul 18 14:13:18 <rm_you> oh wow that was actually quick :P
Jul 18 14:13:30 <lardman> I don't seem to be able to divide one int by another
Jul 18 14:13:41 <lcuk_work> whats the line of code
Jul 18 14:13:56 <lardman> l201
Jul 18 14:14:07 <lardman> ah, divide by zero error
Jul 18 14:14:29 <lcuk_work> no, which code are you on?  you have older svn, and something else from this morning that i havent got a link to anymore
Jul 18 14:14:42 <lardman> svn is up to date
Jul 18 14:15:35 <lcuk_work> in simon
Jul 18 14:15:36 <lcuk_work> ?
Jul 18 14:15:47 <lardman> Simon_1D.c
Jul 18 14:16:16 <lcuk_work> :) gotcha,  eugh this computer isnt configured well
Jul 18 14:16:25 <lcuk_work> its opening up the code in visual studio .shit 2005
Jul 18 14:16:33 * lcuk_work shudders and waits half an hour
Jul 18 14:18:38 <lcuk_work> whats "fprintf(stderr, "Length of unit = %d\n", unit_length);" coming out as..
Jul 18 14:19:11 <mgedmin> why does mlocate want adduser?
Jul 18 14:19:31 <lophyte> probably needs to add a 'locate' user
Jul 18 14:19:35 <lophyte> for the updatedb cronjob
Jul 18 14:19:55 <lardman> lcuk_work: 0, hence the divide by 0 error
Jul 18 14:20:05 <mgedmin> ah, /usr/bin/mlocate is sgid to the mlocate group
Jul 18 14:20:13 <johnx> mgedmin, sounds like a good time to refactor the posinst script. I did the same thing with crond...
Jul 18 14:20:24 <mgedmin> johnx: go for it! :-)
Jul 18 14:20:31 <rm_you> heh
Jul 18 14:20:32 * johnx prefers find
Jul 18 14:20:36 <johnx> especially on flash mem
Jul 18 14:20:39 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 14:20:39 <johnx> super fast
Jul 18 14:20:39 <mgedmin> hmm
Jul 18 14:20:43 <rm_you> find started annoying me
Jul 18 14:20:46 <rm_you> i missed locate
Jul 18 14:20:51 <lcuk_work> lardman, should you be dividing by the min and not the range ?
Jul 18 14:21:09 <rm_you> anyways, checking out flash 10 beta on n800 :P lol
Jul 18 14:21:29 <lcuk_work> (data[x]-min)/range     should give 0..1 value for where in the range the data is
Jul 18 14:21:29 <mgedmin> find is not super fast
Jul 18 14:21:39 <rm_you> find is horridly slow for my tastes still
Jul 18 14:21:46 <rm_you> locate = nearly instant
Jul 18 14:22:00 <lcuk_work> does locate need a db though?
Jul 18 14:22:04 <mgedmin> 14 seconds
Jul 18 14:22:05 <rm_you> yes
Jul 18 14:22:06 <mgedmin> ouch
Jul 18 14:22:08 <mgedmin> that's not fast
Jul 18 14:22:18 <lardman> lcuk_work: the divide by min is part of the code which tries to overcome slight innacuracies in the sizes of the white and black bands
Jul 18 14:22:24 <rm_you> needs to do updatedb once a week or so when i am asleep :P
Jul 18 14:22:38 <lcuk_work> i dont mind waiting for random searches - it feels like its working and doing its job and as long as it works properly it wont miss stuff
Jul 18 14:24:56 <lcuk_work> ahhhh lardman :) but the low/up bound are to do with contrast and not scale?
Jul 18 14:25:50 <lcuk_work> ahhh, this is your len array (like my hillvalleys)
Jul 18 14:26:00 <lardman> that code is looking at the lengths of the black and white regions, and wants to find the shortest region to use that as a basis for a single bar
Jul 18 14:26:24 <lcuk_work> its doing that: the shortest is 0 ;)
Jul 18 14:26:30 <lardman> I know
Jul 18 14:26:57 <lardman> not sure it's calculating it correctly in that case though
Jul 18 14:28:32 <lcuk_work> its complexities like this that made me decide to simply use the current span (black or white) and compare the width of its neighbours against itsself
Jul 18 14:28:58 <lcuk_work> it doesnt matter if i start with one thats 1 pixel or 100 - as long as the adjacent steps are likewise then its a match
Jul 18 14:29:16 <lardman> lcuk_work: the code works in MATLAB, the problem is my conversion to C :)
Jul 18 14:29:40 <lcuk_work> shame you cant run matlab code natively :)
Jul 18 14:29:59 <lardman> you can, but it's slow
Jul 18 14:30:09 * lcuk_work might start randomly sending a webspider around GIS for barcodes and seeing how many he can match
Jul 18 14:30:37 <lardman> lcuk_work: join the project and stick some code in
Jul 18 14:30:41 <lcuk_work> cool
Jul 18 14:31:37 <lcuk_work> well ill carry on building this base scan i started yesterday and see what i manage with it: i had a major problem last night with getting the makefile to include it and compiled
Jul 18 14:31:58 <lcuk_work> i ended up just doing #include "liqscan.c" in the original c source
Jul 18 14:32:15 <lardman> It would be good to see it in action, I'm just trying to convert this code to see how well it works
Jul 18 14:33:01 <lcuk_work> ok, ill discuss with jott later and ask more in here later (when i can test and make notes)  about writing onto the camera preview screen.
Jul 18 14:33:27 <lcuk_work> i really need to see what im detecting as guardbars because for all i know i might be picking up snow
Jul 18 14:33:29 <summatusmentis> lardman: how do I get a filename pointer, so I can pass it to the kernel?
Jul 18 14:33:38 <lcuk_work> although the preview seems to show its not
Jul 18 14:33:46 <lardman> summatusmentis: no idea, but probably just a char array
Jul 18 14:34:24 <summatusmentis> hmm
Jul 18 14:34:33 <lardman> aargh, spent all this time debugging a segfault and it's in the maemo-barcode.c file somewhere
Jul 18 14:34:46 <lardman> jott: does the code work as is?
Jul 18 14:34:49 <lcuk_work> has that been updated since last night?
Jul 18 14:34:57 <lcuk_work> it did at v7 yesterday
Jul 18 14:35:07 <lcuk_work> lots of warnings though
Jul 18 14:35:09 <lardman> hmm, let me check what I've done to it
Jul 18 14:35:13 <lardman> yeah, saw those
Jul 18 14:35:20 <lcuk_work> i did a svn revert
Jul 18 14:35:21 <lardman> they are for the code I commented out at the bottom I think
Jul 18 14:35:27 <lcuk_work> but dont you
Jul 18 14:38:33 <lcuk_work> lardman, im actually surprised i got this compiling on my 810 - i think i am now at about 99% capacity
Jul 18 14:38:44 <lcuk_work> i couldnt even do "apt-get install wafer-mint"
Jul 18 14:39:02 <rm_you> lcuk_work: root on SD :P
Jul 18 14:39:22 <Tu13es> bleh, neither daliclock or mediabox will work on my n770 running os2008he
Jul 18 14:39:50 <lcuk_work> im going to.  i plan on purchasing a nice big memory card and then asking some nice soul at the summit to help guide me through it face to face :)
Jul 18 14:40:16 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 14:41:21 <lardman> lcuk_work: how does one pull a specific version then?
Jul 18 14:41:42 <lcuk_work> i dunno, last night it was v7, you have pushed a few since then
Jul 18 14:42:02 <lcuk_work> svn help revert
Jul 18 14:42:23 <lcuk_work> you can specify individual files/folders and hopefully a version
Jul 18 14:42:31 <lardman> I'm not sure I've pushed anything to do with maemo-barcode.c though
Jul 18 14:42:41 <lcuk_work> then dont revert
Jul 18 14:43:05 <lcuk_work> if jott were here now, he would say "<jott>  git will allow branching like this"
Jul 18 14:43:14 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 14:43:32 <lardman> come on Garage!
Jul 18 14:43:37 <lcuk_work> just backup to somewhere else and grab a revision from the web interface
Jul 18 14:43:49 <rm_you> lardman: or copy your file elsewhere, revert, update, make a diff, and mess with the diff manually, then apply to SVN
Jul 18 14:44:43 <lcuk_work> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-barcode
Jul 18 14:44:44 <lardman> yeah, I've not touched maemo-barcode.c, I'll pull the original and see if it runs
Jul 18 14:44:54 <vol> i'm trying to define keyboard shortcuts for osso-xterm, but it does not seem to work. Can someone help me out, please?
Jul 18 14:44:57 <lcuk_work> yer, the barcode is v6
Jul 18 14:45:29 <lcuk_work> that garage page is best way to view cvs :)  it gives info as expected
Jul 18 14:46:06 <lardman> ok, well that works
Jul 18 14:46:18 <lardman> time to work out how I broke it with 4 lines of code
Jul 18 14:46:19 <vol> alternately, if someone can tell me where the shortcuts are kept loca;ly, that wpuld help
Jul 18 14:47:10 <lcuk_work> ill bb later
Jul 18 14:47:32 <qwerty12> vol: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/01/24/more-osso-xterm-shortcuts/ . The shortcuts are stored in gconf.
Jul 18 14:48:10 <vol> qwerty12: ok. i looked there. i think i am using the wrong format.
Jul 18 14:48:48 <vol> where is gconf locared? sorry
Jul 18 14:48:54 <vol> located
Jul 18 14:49:18 <aquatix> lardman, little question about your dsp-tremor: how complete is it and how do i install it?
Jul 18 14:49:24 <aquatix> :)
Jul 18 14:49:32 <lardman> aquatix: it's not complete
Jul 18 14:49:42 <aquatix> as dsp-enabled ogg playback sounds great
Jul 18 14:49:43 <aquatix> ah
Jul 18 14:49:54 <lardman> any help welcome of course ;)
Jul 18 14:50:00 <aquatix> :)
Jul 18 14:50:07 <aquatix> what has to be done yet?
Jul 18 14:50:57 <lardman> the iDCT fns need to be converted to use 16bit chars, there's also apparently some memory corruption in one of the buffers
Jul 18 14:51:01 <vol> oops, i'mdumb.
Jul 18 14:51:11 <lardman> which means that the vorbis stream is not recognised as it should be
Jul 18 14:51:22 <vol> i did not realize that <ctrl> was literal
Jul 18 14:51:37 <vol> thanks
Jul 18 14:51:39 <lardman> I'm half way through removing the slab allocation code and going back to using malloc()
Jul 18 14:53:09 <lardman> aquatix: have a look at the mailing list for the project, it summarises the current position (to help me remember mainly)
Jul 18 14:55:52 <aquatix> lardman: ah, k
Jul 18 14:56:22 <lardman> I will crack on with it in August
Jul 18 14:56:32 <lardman> but low motivation as I don't use OGGs
Jul 18 14:56:42 <aquatix> get some ;)
Jul 18 14:56:49 <lardman> plus debugging memory errors on the DSP is a pita
Jul 18 14:56:52 <lardman> ;)
Jul 18 14:57:02 <aquatix> not sure how much time i have, but i *might* take a look at it
Jul 18 14:57:10 <aquatix> yeah
Jul 18 14:57:10 <lardman> lol
Jul 18 14:57:13 <lardman> it's involved
Jul 18 14:57:20 <lardman> but converting fns is pretty simple
Jul 18 14:57:20 <aquatix> i'm not that good in debugging C memory stuff :P
Jul 18 15:00:54 <rm_you> it was mainly dealing with the DSP toolchain that scared me away from helping with SBC
Jul 18 15:00:58 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 18 15:01:01 <Tu13es> can I flash in Windows?
Jul 18 15:01:06 <Tu13es> or do I need OS X/linux?
Jul 18 15:02:26 <rm_you> Tu13es: any
Jul 18 15:02:33 <johnx> Tu13es, https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 18 15:02:41 <Tu13es> thx
Jul 18 15:02:53 <lardman> rm_you: toolchain is quite painless, promise
Jul 18 15:02:58 <rm_you> have to re-port Midori from Bundyo's patches
Jul 18 15:03:05 <rm_you> along with compiling webkit and libxslt >_>
Jul 18 15:03:09 <lardman> rm_you and others, looking at & converting code is of use too
Jul 18 15:04:13 * mgedmin_ HATES LINUX HIBERNATION
Jul 18 15:04:21 * mgedmin_ accidentally pressed Fn+F12
Jul 18 15:04:22 * lardman hates segfaults
Jul 18 15:04:30 * qwerty12 hates both
Jul 18 15:04:37 <mgedmin_> and OF COURSE I had upgraded my kernel and not rebooted
Jul 18 15:04:43 <mgedmin_> so the hibernation SILENTLY FAILS on resume, giving me a fresh new session
Jul 18 15:04:46 * rm_you hates that detective guy on Law and Order: Criminal Intent, you know, that one that is a total prick
Jul 18 15:04:50 * qwerty12 done that too
Jul 18 15:05:01 <mgedmin_> and there's no WARNING, no CONFIRMATION, and no way to CANCEL an accidental hibernation
Jul 18 15:05:10 * mgedmin_ kicks linux
Jul 18 15:05:25 <qwerty12> Tux kicks mgedmin_
Jul 18 15:06:08 <dougt> is there a way to determine programmatically what your desktop entry name is?
Jul 18 15:06:16 * rm_you kicks Vincent D'Onofrio
Jul 18 15:06:31 <hrw> dougt: 'desktop entry name'?
Jul 18 15:06:44 <dougt> in a deb, there is a desktop file.
Jul 18 15:06:46 <rm_you> dougt: you're the one naming it...
Jul 18 15:06:55 <dougt> :-)
Jul 18 15:06:55 <rm_you> dougt: name it whatever you want
Jul 18 15:07:04 <rm_you> and then programmatically remember? :P
Jul 18 15:07:07 <dougt> at runtime, how do I get the value
Jul 18 15:07:12 <lcuk_work> dougt, call it adv_backlight just to pee rm_you off
Jul 18 15:07:18 <rm_you> err... why
Jul 18 15:07:27 <lcuk_work> <rm_you> dougt: name it whatever you want
Jul 18 15:07:32 <rm_you> i dont understand when that would be relevent
Jul 18 15:07:34 <lcuk_work> its up to him  :P
Jul 18 15:07:36 <rm_you> not you, lcuk :P
Jul 18 15:07:49 <rm_you> still talking exclusively to him :P
Jul 18 15:08:08 <rm_you> why do you need to do it at runtime? when would that ever be necessary?
Jul 18 15:08:32 <rm_you> YOU name the desktop file whatever you want... do just type the name you chose into the code
Jul 18 15:08:36 <dougt> so, we have an library that is passed the application name from a text file.
Jul 18 15:08:48 <dougt> from the library, we call osso_init()
Jul 18 15:08:59 <dougt> it would probably be a good idea if these two values matched
Jul 18 15:09:02 <rm_you> oh
Jul 18 15:10:10 <lardman> lcuk_work: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/maemo-barcode.c
Jul 18 15:10:16 <lcuk_work> dougt, is it the principle binary which loads your library and calls the function?
Jul 18 15:10:20 <lardman> see if you can spot the segfault cause
Jul 18 15:10:30 <dougt> lcuk_work: no.
Jul 18 15:10:36 <dougt> it is the library does does everything.
Jul 18 15:10:48 <rm_you> grep "Name=FBReader" /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'
Jul 18 15:10:50 <lcuk_work> i cant build or compile, is it getting  far enough to show the preview
Jul 18 15:10:52 <dougt> just looking for a way to notify the developer that something is wrong.
Jul 18 15:11:02 <rm_you> IE
Jul 18 15:11:09 <rm_you> grep "Name="$appname /usr/share/applications/hildon/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'
Jul 18 15:11:19 <dougt> right now, we just have documentation:  make sure that your name in application.ini matches your desktop entry file.
Jul 18 15:11:32 <dougt> (well, i need to write above said documentation...)
Jul 18 15:11:37 <rm_you> dougt: get that?
Jul 18 15:11:50 <rm_you> dougt: or use similar logic inside your program
Jul 18 15:11:58 <dougt> yeah, calling awk seems wrong from a library.
Jul 18 15:12:03 <dougt> ah.
Jul 18 15:12:04 <dougt> i see.
Jul 18 15:12:06 <rm_you> not if it is bash :P
Jul 18 15:12:06 <dougt> hmm.
Jul 18 15:12:14 <lardman> lcuk_work: it displays the message "Failed", so it's returned from the Simon_1D code, but then segfaults
Jul 18 15:12:16 <lcuk_work> ahhhh - "desktop entry file" being the actual desktop information file used to say this app==thisbinary==thisicon that is run when the user clicks on the thing from the menu
Jul 18 15:13:07 <rm_you> dougt: get list of files in the directory "/usr/share/applications/hildon/", open them all, grab the line that starts with "Name=", compare the following string, math or else go to next file
Jul 18 15:13:19 <rm_you> err, open one by one, not open them all
Jul 18 15:13:49 <rm_you> while (!matches(filename,app_name))
Jul 18 15:13:52 * qwerty12 thought osso_init which was provided by libosso requires that the dbus service name is the same otherwise the system kills it after 15 seconds?
Jul 18 15:14:08 <lcuk_work> pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data whats this used for lardman
Jul 18 15:14:19 <lcuk_work> it was commented out last night wasnt it
Jul 18 15:14:27 <rm_you> taking the camera image and putting it in a pixbuf prolly? :P
Jul 18 15:14:37 <lcuk_work> no, thats done automatically
Jul 18 15:15:14 <lcuk_work> theres a tee bar and the data is split into image/screen branches automagically
Jul 18 15:15:35 <lcuk_work> this is at the end of using it for the image component, nothing to do with the screen
Jul 18 15:15:39 <lcuk_work> or it wasnt last night anyway
Jul 18 15:15:44 <lardman> lcuk_work: no idea, not mine
Jul 18 15:16:10 <lcuk_work> its ok, its commented still
Jul 18 15:16:20 <lcuk_work> crappeh none ide editor :)
Jul 18 15:16:41 <rm_you> lcuk_work: try VIM :P
Jul 18 15:16:43 <lcuk_work> who allocates  the EAN data
Jul 18 15:17:08 <lardman> lcuk_work: it's done in the 1D code
Jul 18 15:17:20 <lardman> allocates, ah, that's in maemo-barcode.c
Jul 18 15:17:22 <rm_you> woah: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory
Jul 18 15:17:35 <rm_you> !?
Jul 18 15:17:42 <rm_you> odd
Jul 18 15:17:43 <mgedmin> rm_you: ignore
Jul 18 15:17:58 <mgedmin> harmless warning
Jul 18 15:18:00 <rm_you> i was going to, after being astounded that part of dpkg is missing ;P
Jul 18 15:18:07 <mgedmin> dpkg-preconfigure is an user-interface optimisation
Jul 18 15:18:37 <mgedmin> it presents you with questions all at once instead of spreading them through the whole install/upgrade process
Jul 18 15:18:38 <mgedmin> if it's not available, you'll get those debconf questions later
Jul 18 15:18:39 <rm_you> ah ok
Jul 18 15:18:40 <mgedmin> assuming there are any debconf questions
Jul 18 15:18:57 <mgedmin> still, would be nice if scratchbox/maemo sdk were fixed not to omit that scary warning
Jul 18 15:18:57 <rm_you> god damnit i have Vincent D'Onofrio soooo much
Jul 18 15:19:05 <mgedmin> who
Jul 18 15:19:06 <rm_you> just leaving his imdb page open and glancing at it made me ANGRY
Jul 18 15:19:07 <mgedmin> 's  he
Jul 18 15:19:19 <lcuk_work> lardman, check to see if it gets outside of the if(!analyse_image(data_photo, appdata))
Jul 18 15:19:19 <lcuk_work>  block
Jul 18 15:19:24 <rm_you> the main detective in Law and Order: Criminal Intent
Jul 18 15:19:32 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 18 15:20:32 <lcuk_work> and lardman - do you print "failed" yourself within simon.c module?
Jul 18 15:20:47 <lardman> no, the failed is from analyse_image()
Jul 18 15:21:34 <lcuk_work> then since theres nothing else inside that function after printing failed, move back to see what calls it and print something else
Jul 18 15:21:44 <lcuk_work> i have to go though, ill b back later
Jul 18 15:22:01 <lardman> but it I comment out the call to GetBarCodeData(), it works
Jul 18 15:22:07 <lardman> and set ret=0 of course
Jul 18 15:26:22 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 15:26:42 <rm_you> maybe i should check out your SVN and help debug :P am bored and annoyed with webkit
Jul 18 15:27:28 <lardman> hopefully am nearly there, looks like the segfault happens on the second run through
Jul 18 15:27:55 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 15:28:04 <rm_you> damn this dh_install
Jul 18 15:28:08 <lardman> but do feel free by all means
Jul 18 15:28:15 <rm_you> dh_install: python-libxslt1 missing files (usr/lib/python*/site-packages/*.py*), aborting
Jul 18 15:28:19 <rm_you> not telling me WHAT its missing
Jul 18 15:28:26 <rm_you> only warnings above
Jul 18 15:29:54 <budmang> Hey guys, anyone else having issuses with diablo and the email client?
Jul 18 15:30:52 <budmang> Im on a sd card boot (8gb) and its tellng me to free up space.
Jul 18 15:32:27 <lardman> I've still yet to see any C code that does this: int a=10; int b[a];
Jul 18 15:32:37 <budmang> Its the only application that errors on update
Jul 18 15:32:53 <wnd> lardman, I haven't seen anything like that before either
Jul 18 15:33:13 <lardman> wnd: I'm just trying to work out if that's my problem
Jul 18 15:33:24 <lardman> wnd: I suppose I could just malloc and see
Jul 18 15:33:48 <mgedmin> lardman: that's advanced C99 stuff, and it's only been what, 9 years since it became valid C?
Jul 18 15:34:00 <mgedmin> how can any compiler support it after only 9 years?
Jul 18 15:34:06 <lardman> lol
Jul 18 15:34:20 <lardman> as long as it's supposed to be supported?
Jul 18 15:36:14 * mgedmin is not sure
Jul 18 15:36:35 <lardman> malloc it is
Jul 18 15:36:42 <lardman> seems to work first time through though
Jul 18 15:37:07 <rm_you> Am I seriously the only person to do code like that lardman?!
Jul 18 15:37:10 <wnd> budmang, I doubt the email client uses internal or removable memory card. have you tried freeing up some disk space on the root-fs, that is, under "Audio Clips", "Documents", and other stuff listed right under the device (seen through file manager)?
Jul 18 15:37:12 <rm_you> I thought that was common
Jul 18 15:37:20 <rm_you> that's how I learned in Java and C++
Jul 18 15:37:31 <rm_you> so I just assumed it worked in C too, and used it a lot
Jul 18 15:37:32 <lardman> rm_you: yeah, but they are not C
Jul 18 15:37:42 <wnd> budmang, I don't use the email client myself so I'm just guessing
Jul 18 15:37:43 <lardman> rm_you: but it works for you?
Jul 18 15:37:54 <rm_you> I guess it comes from using Java/C++ first, and then not knowing better when I go back? >_>
Jul 18 15:38:35 <rm_you> seems to? >_>
Jul 18 15:42:18 <rm_you> lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CtpBDPwZ
Jul 18 15:42:36 <lardman> yeah
Jul 18 15:42:43 <lardman> works for me first time through too
Jul 18 15:42:48 <lardman> not sure if that's a difference
Jul 18 15:42:59 <rm_you> ... if it works it should work
Jul 18 15:43:00 <lardman> first time it's declared
Jul 18 15:43:03 <rm_you> i will check out SVN and look
Jul 18 15:43:11 <rm_you> what is the project name?
Jul 18 15:43:12 <sjenkins> offline mode has disappeared from my power button menu. anyone know how to restore it?
Jul 18 15:43:18 <lardman> maemo-barcode
Jul 18 15:43:44 <rm_you> lardman: and the problem is?
Jul 18 15:43:51 <lardman> segfault
Jul 18 15:44:10 <rm_you> and you've isolated it to a function?
Jul 18 15:44:59 <lardman> looks like it comes from somewhere in my code, the second time it's run
Jul 18 15:45:00 <churl> in maemo mapper, do the yahoo maps and google maps have a tendency to crash the program instantly?
Jul 18 15:45:05 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 15:45:07 <lardman> which is what confused me to begin with
Jul 18 15:45:21 <snowmoon-work> Interesting... playing with pyinotify and the rss reader is dumping files in /tmp... I've never even configured it!
Jul 18 15:46:32 <snowmoon-work> That's a dumb default
Jul 18 15:46:32 <RST38h> churl: no
Jul 18 15:46:56 <rm_you> lardman: err
Jul 18 15:47:00 <rm_you> how do i get it to do something
Jul 18 15:47:06 <rm_you> besides just show me camera :P
Jul 18 15:47:12 <churl> RST38h: good to know
Jul 18 15:47:15 <rm_you> and scroll xxxxxx
Jul 18 15:47:23 <lardman> yeah, you need the code I gave the url to earlier
Jul 18 15:47:32 <lardman> I didn';t want to push it as it's not working
Jul 18 15:47:37 <rm_you> kk
Jul 18 15:47:39 <rm_you> url?
Jul 18 15:48:18 <rm_you> can you generate a diff plz?
Jul 18 15:48:28 <rm_you> svn diff -rhead
Jul 18 15:48:31 <lardman> not easily
Jul 18 15:48:35 <lardman> ah ok
Jul 18 15:48:36 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 15:48:47 <rm_you> svn diff -rhead myfile.c > patch.diff
Jul 18 15:48:51 <rm_you> :)
Jul 18 15:48:58 <rm_you> useful for all involved
Jul 18 15:49:17 <RST38h> even ones without svn? =)
Jul 18 15:49:25 <rm_you> yes :)
Jul 18 15:49:35 <rm_you> garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/myfile.c
Jul 18 15:49:37 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 15:49:51 <rm_you> not to people without web browsers i guess
Jul 18 15:50:09 <pupnik> the camera can read barcodes?
Jul 18 15:50:17 * RST38h is a poor guy without web browser
Jul 18 15:50:18 <rm_you> pupnik: soon maybe :P
Jul 18 15:50:23 <rm_you> RST38h: wget :P
Jul 18 15:50:26 <pupnik> that seems ambitious!
Jul 18 15:50:30 <lardman> ~lart Gnome for being crap
Jul 18 15:50:31 * infobot hereby declares Gnome a troll for being crap
Jul 18 15:50:32 <rm_you> pupnik: not too much :P
Jul 18 15:50:45 <rm_you> pupnik: ambitious is QRcodes next week :P
Jul 18 15:51:04 <rm_you> which if they get 1D working and I can port this objective C easily... could maybe happen? :P lol
Jul 18 15:51:08 <pupnik> so this barcode software has been tested effective with other 640x480 cameras?
Jul 18 15:51:19 <rm_you> pupnik: it works with cellphone cameras
Jul 18 15:51:23 <rm_you> like, ANY cellphone camera
Jul 18 15:51:24 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/maemo-barcode.diff
Jul 18 15:51:53 <rm_you> lardman: hrm...
Jul 18 15:51:59 <rm_you> compile error
Jul 18 15:52:18 <pupnik> um... how close can the N8x0 camera focus?
Jul 18 15:52:18 <rm_you> /var/tmp/ccYB908i.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData'
Jul 18 15:52:24 <rm_you> pupnik: close enough
Jul 18 15:52:29 <rm_you> pupnik: barely tho :P
Jul 18 15:52:42 * pupnik is impressed at the audacious project
Jul 18 15:52:43 <lardman> rm_you: yeah, you need to include the Simon_1D.c file
Jul 18 15:52:47 <rm_you> aiming it at the barcode is *@(#&(!@#^ tho
Jul 18 15:53:02 <lardman> that's what /me is saying atm
Jul 18 15:53:02 <pupnik> yeah probly easier with the n800 than n810
Jul 18 15:53:10 <lardman> fscking barcode sw
Jul 18 15:53:31 * pupnik will let you get back to productive
Jul 18 15:54:35 * snowmoon-work wonders why the Hildon file section dialog is not maximized?
Jul 18 15:55:01 <johnx> snowmoon-work, I wonder that too
Jul 18 15:55:05 <rm_you> lardman: same error?
Jul 18 15:55:29 <snowmoon-work> seems like a huge waste of space and scrolling effort
Jul 18 15:55:39 <lardman> hmm, I bet it's an array index being negative or something like that
Jul 18 15:56:15 <rm_you> nm got it
Jul 18 15:56:18 <rm_you> now different error :P
Jul 18 15:56:21 <jobu> anyone anyone work with pyqt on maemo/nokia n8x0?
Jul 18 15:56:26 <lardman> long1 = -1116409433, long2 = 1
Jul 18 15:56:30 <lardman> hmm, not ideal
Jul 18 15:57:02 <rm_you>  /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':abi-note.S:(.text+0x30): undefined reference to `main'
Jul 18 15:57:19 <lardman> nasty
Jul 18 15:57:47 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 18 15:57:56 <rm_you> this is the sort of headache SVN is supposed to prevent
Jul 18 15:57:59 <rm_you> just check it in
Jul 18 15:58:12 <rm_you> and make a note "not working, use r(thisrev)-1"
Jul 18 15:58:32 <lardman> ok, hang on
Jul 18 15:59:23 <rm_you> what is .m?!
Jul 18 15:59:36 <lardman> MATLAB
Jul 18 15:59:36 <rm_you> that is the same extension as on that Objective C stuff
Jul 18 15:59:38 <rm_you> ah
Jul 18 15:59:43 <lardman> done
Jul 18 16:00:01 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 16:00:01 <rm_you> /var/tmp/ccpiHVfE.o: In function `analyse_image':maemo-barcode.c:(.text+0xa5c): undefined reference to `GetBarCodeData'
Jul 18 16:00:11 <rm_you> on revision 20
Jul 18 16:00:16 <lardman> the Makefile doesn't work
Jul 18 16:00:18 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 16:00:21 <rm_you> BLAH
Jul 18 16:00:25 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 18 16:00:37 * lardman hasn't got round to fixing it yet
Jul 18 16:00:37 <rm_you> what is the correct compilation stuff then
Jul 18 16:00:41 <rm_you> i'll fix it
Jul 18 16:00:56 <rm_you> what is the correct gcc line
Jul 18 16:01:02 <rm_you> so i can see what it is doing wrong
Jul 18 16:01:09 <lardman> the Simon_1D.c doesn't need any thing special to compile
Jul 18 16:01:27 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 16:01:27 <wiza> damn modest...
Jul 18 16:01:28 <lardman> the Makefile needs to be tweaked to compile that and maemo-barcode as .o, then link to an executable
Jul 18 16:01:34 <rm_you> oh
Jul 18 16:01:36 <rm_you> k
Jul 18 16:01:42 <wiza> I want my sent and draft folders on imap server
Jul 18 16:01:49 <lardman> atm it just tries to make an executable I think
Jul 18 16:03:48 <lcuk_work> rm_you, same question as last night, just with a different .c file to include
Jul 18 16:03:55 <rm_you> kk
Jul 18 16:03:57 <rm_you> fixing it
Jul 18 16:03:59 <lcuk_work> what was wrong with it lard?
Jul 18 16:04:09 <lcuk_work> ~lart customers
Jul 18 16:04:10 * infobot beats customers severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken
Jul 18 16:04:14 <lardman> rubbish in, rubbish out I think
Jul 18 16:05:10 * lcuk_work will find out how to draw onto the screen (or run with liqbase instead)
Jul 18 16:05:36 <summatusmentis> do we have any idea as to when n900 might be announced?
Jul 18 16:05:46 <lcuk_work> whats an n900?
Jul 18 16:05:55 <summatusmentis> presumably the next NIT
Jul 18 16:06:13 <summatusmentis> (after n810w)
Jul 18 16:06:17 <lcuk_work> nokia might surprise you and go for a completely different number
Jul 18 16:06:37 <summatusmentis> ok, that's possible. Do when have any idea as to when the next NIT might be announced? :-P
Jul 18 16:06:40 <johnx> summatusmentis, no hints from Nokia, but some people seem to think 4Q 2008 / 1Q 2009
Jul 18 16:06:49 <summatusmentis> johnx: oh, ok
Jul 18 16:06:51 <lcuk_work> nRazr   or nnn810
Jul 18 16:07:02 <summatusmentis> I hope it's not nRazr
Jul 18 16:07:10 <summatusmentis> or nnn810 for that matter :)
Jul 18 16:07:14 <lardman> ah
Jul 18 16:07:36 <||cw> the n810 price just dropped, which implies sooner than later
Jul 18 16:08:02 <jobu> if you google for it, you will see people predicting it would come out last month heh
Jul 18 16:08:08 <lcuk_work> i guess some kind of massive get together of interested parties would seem like a logical time to make some sort of big announcement
Jul 18 16:08:29 <lcuk_work> i dunno when thats gonna be though
Jul 18 16:08:50 <lardman> rm_you: I see the problem
Jul 18 16:08:56 <lardman> in my conversion from MATLAB->C
Jul 18 16:09:22 <johnx> also, I think they'd be silly to announce a potential next-gen tablet before the n810we came out
Jul 18 16:09:48 <johnx> basically a sure way to Osbourne themselves...
Jul 18 16:10:18 <lcuk_work> isnt it known for companies to possibly change direction and tact slightly, especially if necessary infrastructure for wireless networking isnt exactly spectacular
Jul 18 16:10:45 <johnx> lcuk_work, yeah, i have been wondering about whether the n810we will see the light of day
Jul 18 16:10:53 <lcuk_work> :)
Jul 18 16:10:56 <jobu> anyone get pyqt working on diablo?
Jul 18 16:11:15 <jobu> or any version of maemo for that matter
Jul 18 16:11:22 <johnx> lcuk_work, I was sure we wouldn't see diablo until it was out, but here it is and no word of the n810we at all...
Jul 18 16:12:23 * Jaffa did fanboishly wonder if the fremantle UI & Maemo vision keynotes at OSiM World & the summit would coincide with a surprise N900 with fremantle announcement; but it's too soon after diablo and the N810W's not out. So N900 before 4Q2008 is unimaginable really.
Jul 18 16:20:06 <lcuk_work> jaffa, wasnt 810 announced a couple of months  before hitting the shops.  arent paper launches the norm nowadays?
Jul 18 16:20:51 <lcuk_work> back later
Jul 18 16:20:57 * johnx sleeps
Jul 18 16:21:14 <Jaffa> lcuk_work: very true
Jul 18 16:21:37 <Jaffa> N810 was announced October IIRC, on sale mid-December.
Jul 18 16:21:56 * Jaffa wonders if GeneralAntilles' wikipedia pages mention announcement and first sale dates
Jul 18 16:23:28 <TheAlien> hi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal?
Jul 18 16:24:30 <qwerty12> Hmm, if I compiled an static binary using the standard DIABLO_ARMEL target, any chance of the binary working in initfs? :/
Jul 18 16:25:12 <mgedmin> maemo.org still incredibly slow
Jul 18 16:25:16 <Jaffa> qwerty12: should do, shouldn't it?
Jul 18 16:25:35 <Jaffa> mgedmin: and the wiki.maemo.org certificate *still* hasn't been fixed.
Jul 18 16:25:38 <qwerty12> Jaffa: Hopefully, I guess the only way is to try :).
Jul 18 16:25:49 <qwerty12> ~lart Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain.
Jul 18 16:25:50 * infobot executes killall -HUP Nokia for being scared to release an uclibc toolchain.
Jul 18 16:27:03 <mgedmin> SLOW IS DEAD
Jul 18 16:27:06 <rm_you> lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2UEUuvVoR
Jul 18 16:27:32 <rm_you> prolly the best way to do it >_>
Jul 18 16:27:53 <rm_you> err
Jul 18 16:27:56 <rm_you> don't need the SRC line
Jul 18 16:28:25 <rm_you> lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CWbq14eF
Jul 18 16:28:27 <lardman> thanks :)
Jul 18 16:28:41 <rm_you> np
Jul 18 16:28:49 <rm_you> crapload of warnings you got there :P
Jul 18 16:29:58 <mgedmin> rm_you: suggest replacing the '%:' pattern rule with '%.o: %.c'
Jul 18 16:30:02 <rm_you> ok so anyway, you thought you got it?
Jul 18 16:30:09 <rm_you> mgedmin: yeah prolly
Jul 18 16:31:07 <rm_you> http://slexy.org/view/s21kjO7AbF
Jul 18 16:31:15 <rm_you> anyways, lardman: any progress?
Jul 18 16:31:29 <lardman> rm_you: yeah, looks like my conversion to C destroyed my logic
Jul 18 16:31:33 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:31:36 <rm_you> oops
Jul 18 16:31:43 <lardman> I'm fixing with lots of fprintfs to help me along the way
Jul 18 16:32:00 <lardman> no idea why it managed a run through to begin with - lucky memory layout I guess
Jul 18 16:33:33 <lardman> for the Makefile I get: mixed implicit and static pattern rules.  Stop. (line 31)
Jul 18 16:33:47 <lardman> though the lines may be broken from the copy & paste
Jul 18 16:33:51 <rm_you> sec
Jul 18 16:33:53 <lardman> %.o:%.c:
Jul 18 16:34:03 <rm_you> use tabs for everything
Jul 18 16:34:06 <rm_you> just go to the top and do
Jul 18 16:34:17 <rm_you> =G
Jul 18 16:34:18 <rm_you> gg=G
Jul 18 16:34:25 <rm_you> or, do you use VIM?
Jul 18 16:34:40 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 16:34:44 <lardman> no, gedit
Jul 18 16:34:59 <rm_you> anyway, in VIM, gg=g reindents the entire file
Jul 18 16:35:02 <rm_you> err
Jul 18 16:35:04 <rm_you> gg=G
Jul 18 16:35:28 <rm_you> makefiles use tabs as syntax
Jul 18 16:35:30 <rm_you> soooo
Jul 18 16:35:34 <rm_you> be careful
Jul 18 16:36:03 <rm_you> if i apply to the project i guess i could just checkin the makefile :P
Jul 18 16:36:04 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:36:41 <lardman> rm_you: yeah, I've done the tab replacement thing, but only visually from the slexy page
Jul 18 16:36:48 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 18 16:37:01 <rm_you> wget http://slexy.org/raw/s21kjO7AbF -O Makefile
Jul 18 16:37:25 <rm_you> ack fsck that
Jul 18 16:37:34 <rm_you> wget http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Makefile
Jul 18 16:37:37 <rm_you> the original :P
Jul 18 16:38:33 <lardman> cool, thanks :)
Jul 18 16:40:03 <TheAlien> hiya, u guys reading me?
Jul 18 16:40:14 <lardman> another divide by zero error :S
Jul 18 16:40:18 <TheAlien> hi everyone, i just got a 770, upgraded to the newest os2006, ate the red pill. now im trying to get aircrack-pwt installed, which worked, but seems to need aircrack-ng to capture data for the -pwt to work on. aircrack-ng won't install, and i cant find kismet, can someone help me get (closer) to my goal? commentary like 'its impossible' also welcome
Jul 18 16:40:30 <smyows> hello people :)
Jul 18 16:41:55 <rm_you> lardman: on n800, rotation support helps a lot with this
Jul 18 16:42:17 <rm_you> i can rotate the n800 screen 180 degrees and then turn it upside down so the barcode is face up for the camera :P
Jul 18 16:42:24 <lardman> ah, I see
Jul 18 16:42:44 <rm_you> and so moving the n800 makes the image move in a way that makes sense
Jul 18 16:43:12 <rm_you> anyway, i get lots of called DoProfileDecode(); Failed; Left analyse_image()
Jul 18 16:43:16 <rm_you> prolly cause the logic is broken :P
Jul 18 16:43:34 <TheAlien> can someone at least confirm that you can see my text :P
Jul 18 16:43:40 <rm_you> TheAlien: blah
Jul 18 16:43:59 <TheAlien> thanks
Jul 18 16:44:12 <rm_you> TheAlien: dunno about aircrack on 770 >_> which OS are you on?
Jul 18 16:44:22 <rm_you> OS2006/7/8?
Jul 18 16:44:38 <TheAlien> so i found the log area of app manager, and tho airport-ng says it conflicts with installed software, the log shows the command to install the package but no errors or messages after it
Jul 18 16:44:41 <smyows> i ve installed openvpn on my n800 (os2008) but the vpn do not estabilish... the tun.ko module is not present on kernel of os2008?
Jul 18 16:44:42 <TheAlien> os2006 latest
Jul 18 16:45:09 <rm_you> smyows: as root try "modprobe tun.ko"
Jul 18 16:45:15 <qwerty12> rm_you: wouldn't work.
Jul 18 16:45:21 <rm_you> TheAlien: no idea... have you tried installing via xterm?
Jul 18 16:45:25 <rm_you> qwerty12: lol, just a guess :P
Jul 18 16:45:29 <qwerty12> :)
Jul 18 16:45:33 <smyows> rm_you, yes, but is not present tun.ko
Jul 18 16:45:42 <lardman> cool, got video to run now, I just need more error checking
Jul 18 16:45:47 <lardman> beer first, then more coding :)
Jul 18 16:45:55 <rm_you> heh
Jul 18 16:45:57 <rm_you> checkin ;P
Jul 18 16:46:07 <TheAlien> rm_you: i havent. i assume id need root. and although i have becomeroot, you do sudo becomeroot, right? if i do that, im asked for a password. dont know what it could be. enter just drops me back to a prompt.
Jul 18 16:46:13 <qwerty12> lardman: coding first, then more beer :P
Jul 18 16:46:17 <rm_you> TheAlien: sudo gainroot
Jul 18 16:46:20 <Jaffa> TheAlien: "sudo gainroot"
Jul 18 16:46:24 <TheAlien> password:
Jul 18 16:46:26 <Jaffa> snap
Jul 18 16:46:28 <lardman> qwerty12: works better the other way round ;)
Jul 18 16:46:34 <rm_you> lardman: svn ci -m "" && more beer
Jul 18 16:46:47 <Jaffa> rm_you: commits with no message: the work of Satan!
Jul 18 16:46:51 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:46:52 <smyows> anyone have openvpn installed and working?
Jul 18 16:46:56 <rm_you> assuming he will insert one himself :P
Jul 18 16:47:07 <rm_you> i dont know what to type for him
Jul 18 16:47:08 <lardman>  svn ci -m "gone to get beer, don't use this rev" ?
Jul 18 16:47:10 <qwerty12> lardman: but it works better for us this way :p. nah, joking, I love the work you've been doing
Jul 18 16:47:16 <rm_you> sure :P
Jul 18 16:47:20 <TheAlien> jagga: hey it worked!
Jul 18 16:47:26 <TheAlien> ok im root now.
Jul 18 16:47:33 <churl> does there exsist a file manager for the n800 that's like "thundar" . anything with a nice gui ??
Jul 18 16:47:55 <rm_you> churl: like *thunar?
Jul 18 16:48:14 <churl> it's the file manager i have in xfce
Jul 18 16:48:22 <rm_you> i know theres a couple, dunno if any really have a decent UI yet
Jul 18 16:48:28 <rm_you> yeah, was making sure thats what you meant
Jul 18 16:48:36 <rm_you> had a d in there :P
Jul 18 16:48:50 <churl> TAKE THAT SPELLING!
Jul 18 16:48:52 <rm_you> yay Zetx is back
Jul 18 16:49:15 <rm_you> or Zet is, either way
Jul 18 16:49:33 <churl> it's just that the default n800 one throws me for a loop,
Jul 18 16:50:38 <qwerty12> gst-plugins-bad-xvid better build for me :/
Jul 18 16:50:48 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:50:53 <rm_you> lardman: checkin! >_<
Jul 18 16:51:51 <qwerty12> motherfcukin package >.<. I only get the doc folder in the final deb >.<
Jul 18 16:51:58 <lardman> rm_you: done ;)
Jul 18 16:52:15 <smyows> how to compile a new kernel for os2008
Jul 18 16:52:16 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:52:34 <rm_you> smyows: poke qwerty, watch kernel compile, retrieve compiled kernel from qwerty :P
Jul 18 16:53:02 <qwerty12> Who's this qwerty guy?
Jul 18 16:53:12 <TheAlien> can anyone quickly give me dpkg options to install smthing?
Jul 18 16:53:21 <qwerty12> dpkg -i?
Jul 18 16:53:58 <qwerty12> Ze mark of the devil is on my itt profile
Jul 18 16:54:50 <ianf-h> Can anyone recommend a good BT headset for the N810
Jul 18 16:54:50 <lardman> well that's vaguely cool, lots of debugging output while the camera's on, the when I stick a barcode in front I get a divide by zero error ;)
Jul 18 16:54:52 <ianf-h> ?
Jul 18 16:55:03 <rm_you> lol neat
Jul 18 16:55:45 <rm_you> means it is recognizing it? :P
Jul 18 16:55:45 <TheAlien> it says that the package architecture (arm) doesnt match system (armel)
Jul 18 16:56:04 <qwerty12> Typical, the folders in debian/ have the right files inside but my final deb doesn't. I'm repacking, md5sums can pee off.
Jul 18 16:56:04 <rm_you> TheAlien: where did you get the .deb
Jul 18 16:56:26 <rm_you> arm and armel are different build targets
Jul 18 16:56:54 <Jaffa> lardman: Have you seen the OS X app "My Library" (or something like that). It was held up at JavaOne in one of the UI talks as an example of how a good UI can make people spend lots of money ($49 a copy, IIRC) for what's effectively a book/DVD/CD database. The one cool feature it had was using the web cam to read the barcode and go and retrieve details & cover image for the book/DVD/CD in question. Something like that on the tablet would be very cool :-)
Jul 18 16:57:16 <qwerty12> TheAlien: Just out of question, you didn't grab that aircrack from a post by a guy named qwerty12 right? Or did you get from mulliner repo?
Jul 18 16:57:19 <Cptnodegard> qwerty12, sorry but im too lazy to read throough the 28 page ITT thread: did you by any chance release an app that lets you rotate the screen without a bunch of configuring and tewaking? (saw someone say "thank qwerty12"
Jul 18 16:57:38 <lardman> Jaffa: yes thanks, dneary pointed it out to me yesterday
Jul 18 16:57:48 <rm_you> lardman: :( all i get is segfault or floating point exception instantly no matter wjay
Jul 18 16:57:49 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: I made debs of the rotation, you just have to install the debs and run flash-and-reboot.
Jul 18 16:57:50 <TheAlien> rm_you: i got it from mulliner
Jul 18 16:57:51 <rm_you> *what
Jul 18 16:57:58 <TheAlien> could this work better? http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/aircrack-ng/download
Jul 18 16:58:02 <Jaffa> lardman: cool :-)
Jul 18 16:58:03 <TheAlien> or does someone know where the right one is?
Jul 18 16:58:13 <lardman> rm_you: I've probably added a few bits, will push again after this beer :)
Jul 18 16:58:22 <Jaffa> lardman: ah - "Delicious Library"
Jul 18 16:58:31 <Cptnodegard> qwerty12 nice, thanks :D
Jul 18 16:58:39 <lardman> Jaffa: that's the one
Jul 18 16:58:39 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 16:58:42 <lbt> Cptnodegard: just search the wiki for rotate...
Jul 18 16:58:50 <lbt> https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page
Jul 18 16:58:54 <Jaffa> lardman: do you know where it gets the UPC -> product mapping?
Jul 18 16:58:57 <lbt> see what you get...
Jul 18 16:58:59 <rm_you> Cptnodegard: http://ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz
Jul 18 16:59:04 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: Hehe :). Make sure you use adv-backlight instead of sb-rotate-plugin
Jul 18 16:59:29 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 16:59:34 <qwerty12> rm_you: I want my advertising fee :P
Jul 18 16:59:37 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 16:59:53 <lardman> Jaffa: there are some websites such as http://www.semapedia.org/
Jul 18 17:00:04 <lardman> http://en.barcodepedia.com/
Jul 18 17:00:09 <lardman> one or the other iirc
Jul 18 17:00:31 <lardman> also Amazon scraping, etc.
Jul 18 17:01:27 <TheAlien> rm_you do you think the device would blow up if install the one from packages.debian.org ?
Jul 18 17:01:35 <rm_you> TheAlien: it will not work
Jul 18 17:01:39 <TheAlien> ok
Jul 18 17:01:50 <rm_you> TheAlien: you need to get someone to port it to maemo
Jul 18 17:01:50 <TheAlien> well
Jul 18 17:02:04 <Jaffa> lardman: cool, ta.
Jul 18 17:02:18 * qwerty12 isn't going through compiling aircrack-ng again :p. I had to get the cs2008 toolchain >.<
Jul 18 17:02:22 <TheAlien> i can get aircrack-pwt to work, problem is it doesnt appear to have a capture portion. kismet is supposed to be out there for this thing too but i cant find it. any ideas?
Jul 18 17:02:36 <TheAlien> this is os2006 btw :)
Jul 18 17:02:52 <lardman> Jaffa: if you're interested, please join and write some backend stuff
Jul 18 17:03:02 <lardman> Jaffa: parsing the websites, etc
Jul 18 17:03:42 * qwerty12 has a deb with all the aircrack-ng stuff (mulliner's one is stripped) but it contains N800 specific optimisations so it wouldn't work on 770 :/
Jul 18 17:03:52 <TheAlien> awrgh
Jul 18 17:04:18 <TheAlien> and nobody can suggest anything that will work on the 770? just to capture the packets?
Jul 18 17:04:34 <Jaffa> lardman: parsing websites is in my blood (http://www.bleb.org/tv/) - so I'll try and have a look. Should probably prioritise other things above it first, though - like the mud changes planned.
Jul 18 17:05:10 <lardman> Jaffa: sure, would be good to have lots of people adding their specialisms - website parsing really isn't my thing
Jul 18 17:05:12 <TheAlien> itd be sooo good to get this going, i live in a country that has monthly transfer limits so everyone locks their networks. im not evil i just want to be able to get my mail when im out ;P
Jul 18 17:05:15 <qwerty12> TheAlien: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202816&postcount=69 - There is an newer one but from what I can tell, it's os2008 only.
Jul 18 17:05:48 <lcuk_work> lardman, has anyone attempt/ed come up with a way to draw on the surface or havent you looked yet
Jul 18 17:06:06 <lardman> lcuk: I'm leaving that to you :)
Jul 18 17:06:36 <lcuk> alrighty i need to do it so i can see what im detecting, is latest in svn?
Jul 18 17:06:39 <Jaffa> lardman: what's the project URL?
Jul 18 17:07:03 <lardman> Garage -> maemo-barcode
Jul 18 17:07:30 <Jaffa> ta
Jul 18 17:07:33 <rm_you> qwerty12: Cptnodegard:
Jul 18 17:07:36 <rm_you> ~xrotation
Jul 18 17:07:37 <infobot> it has been said that xrotation is wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz && tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz && cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb && wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation && fiasco-flasher -f -k zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation
Jul 18 17:07:48 <Jaffa> lardman: Doesn't the trademark policy prohibit that name?!
Jul 18 17:07:58 <lardman> no idea
Jul 18 17:08:05 <lardman> maemo-mapper seems to get away with it
Jul 18 17:08:19 <Jaffa> maemo-mapper predated the policy so has an exception.
Jul 18 17:08:40 <lardman> well, they can serve a writ and we'll change the name, no problem :)
Jul 18 17:08:40 <lcuk> shouldnt the naming policy be setout by the website though ;)
Jul 18 17:08:54 <qwerty12> rm_you: nice :D, btw, ever gonna upload it to extras somehow? You are a better (a lot better) deb packager and I don't want my vip status as an extras maintainer taken away for uploading a package that kills n00bs' tablets :P
Jul 18 17:08:54 <Jaffa> Admittedly, the Garage folks don't seem too strict in following the TM policy (I've seen other projects created which also use the 'Maemo' prefix)
Jul 18 17:08:55 <lcuk> ie: you cannot name your project here
Jul 18 17:09:04 <lardman> tacit acceptance as the project name was accepted... ;)
Jul 18 17:09:08 <rm_you> qwerty12: working on "rotation-support" metapackage
Jul 18 17:09:09 <Jaffa> lardman: indeed :-)
Jul 18 17:09:16 <rm_you> qwerty12: will work on that more tomorrow
Jul 18 17:09:28 <rm_you> qwerty12: already have the xserver-xomap packages
Jul 18 17:09:31 <qwerty12> Cool, great
Jul 18 17:09:34 <lcuk> anyway - it WILL be an offical package one day, so saving time now
Jul 18 17:09:36 <rm_you> just need a couple more things
Jul 18 17:09:52 <rm_you> i am going to make it give a dialog with "Flash the kernel and reboot?" "Yes" "No"
Jul 18 17:10:23 * qwerty12 would personally prefer it if rebooting was left up to the user
Jul 18 17:10:35 <rm_you> exactly?
Jul 18 17:10:36 <lardman> qwerty12++
Jul 18 17:10:38 <rm_you> thats why we ask :P
Jul 18 17:10:44 <lcuk> lardman, who solved the makefile problem?
Jul 18 17:10:49 <lardman> rm_you:
Jul 18 17:11:10 <rm_you> lardman: still no new commit? :P
Jul 18 17:11:11 <overflok> hi all
Jul 18 17:11:13 <lcuk> lol rm_you :P i said about the .o thing last night you told me it was wrong way
Jul 18 17:11:16 * rm_you is on the edge of his seat
Jul 18 17:11:21 <rm_you> lcuk: pft
Jul 18 17:11:24 <lcuk> :D
Jul 18 17:11:28 <overflok> I need a info
Jul 18 17:11:28 <rm_you> lcuk: dare you to find logs :P
Jul 18 17:11:31 <lardman> impatience!
Jul 18 17:11:41 <overflok> what can i use to debug symbyan dll
Jul 18 17:11:44 <lcuk> <rm_you> somewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c"
Jul 18 17:11:54 <lcuk> <rm_you> and then tell it to compile $(CFILES)
Jul 18 17:11:54 <Italodance> http://www.fring.com/download/linux/ :D
Jul 18 17:11:56 <rm_you> lcuk: lol
Jul 18 17:12:15 <lcuk> dont dare, i have a brutal scrollback and an amazing memory for things like that
Jul 18 17:12:24 <rm_you> hehe
Jul 18 17:12:33 <rm_you> I was hoping you'd go to mg.pov.lt
Jul 18 17:12:34 <lardman> rm_you: all yours
Jul 18 17:12:41 <rm_you> it is like.... BROKEN right now for searching
Jul 18 17:12:46 <rm_you> takes about 6 minutes for results
Jul 18 17:12:47 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 17:13:40 * qwerty12 searches for xvid files. Start in torrent directory?
Jul 18 17:13:57 <rm_you> lardman: woo, yes, it did find it :P
Jul 18 17:14:09 <rm_you> qwerty12:
Jul 18 17:14:10 <lardman> yes and no, there are some more
Jul 18 17:14:13 <lardman> it runs now though
Jul 18 17:14:13 <rm_you> ~testvideo
Jul 18 17:14:14 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, testvideo is http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi
Jul 18 17:14:36 <qwerty12> rm_you: thanks, a lot quicker to transfer than kidulthood :/
Jul 18 17:14:43 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 17:14:52 <rm_you> I've started to abuse infobot for factoid storage :P
Jul 18 17:15:08 <rm_you> for example...
Jul 18 17:15:09 <qwerty12> ~rm_you
Jul 18 17:15:10 <infobot> well, rm_you is the maintainer of Advanced Backlight, can be reached at aharwell (at) trinity (dot) edu, and is currently a student in San Antonio, TX. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531
Jul 18 17:15:19 <qwerty12> Modest are we?
Jul 18 17:15:20 <qwerty12> :P
Jul 18 17:15:22 <rm_you> ~double-compile
Jul 18 17:15:23 <infobot> [double-compile] http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcnDUALC_5s
Jul 18 17:15:28 <lardman> rm_you: hang on a tick for me to push again
Jul 18 17:15:39 <rm_you> qwerty12: lol, what? :P just facts
Jul 18 17:15:50 <rm_you> qwerty12: email, where i live, what i do :P
Jul 18 17:15:58 <lardman> there you go
Jul 18 17:16:06 * qwerty12 adds to spam list :P
Jul 18 17:16:14 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:16:33 <lcuk> lardman, still ends in error
Jul 18 17:16:41 <lardman> yep, but getting better :)
Jul 18 17:17:04 <rm_you> woo found first and last :P
Jul 18 17:17:07 <qwerty12> ~qwerty12
Jul 18 17:17:08 <infobot> it has been said that qwerty12 is the maemo pimp. I whip my N800 when it misbehaves and watchdog doesn't beat me to it.
Jul 18 17:17:10 <rm_you> takes a while tho
Jul 18 17:17:16 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:18:45 <lcuk> qwerty12 is the maemo pimplyfacedyouth
Jul 18 17:19:04 <rm_you> lol, anyway... this is looking sweet
Jul 18 17:19:18 <qwerty12> Rather that then still having me dodgy northerner accent :P
Jul 18 17:19:25 <fnordianslip> has he got an etherkiller?
Jul 18 17:19:35 <lcuk> hey, at least i got to get to leeenucks taaag
Jul 18 17:19:49 <lardman> oi you two!
Jul 18 17:20:00 <lcuk> sorry sir
Jul 18 17:20:17 * lcuk nudges qwerty12
Jul 18 17:20:20 <fnordianslip> i want an etherkiller
Jul 18 17:20:24 <rm_you> lol... still hopeful for maemo summit but chances looking slim
Jul 18 17:20:26 * qwerty12 kicks lcuk
Jul 18 17:20:37 <rm_you> maybe if i had signed up earlier <_<
Jul 18 17:20:49 <lcuk> SIGN UP
Jul 18 17:20:53 * qwerty12 kicks lardman for jokes
Jul 18 17:20:54 <rm_you> they skipped over my name in the list
Jul 18 17:20:55 <lcuk> dont dillydally
Jul 18 17:20:57 <rm_you> lcuk: i did
Jul 18 17:21:00 <rm_you> a while ago
Jul 18 17:21:00 <lcuk> \o/
Jul 18 17:21:03 <rm_you> but
Jul 18 17:21:17 <rm_you> ... everyone BEFORE me is accepted... but so are like 10 people after me
Jul 18 17:21:20 <rm_you> so... <_<
Jul 18 17:21:41 <qwerty12> rm_you: go and embarrass nokia about their retardness over providing the source to their applets
Jul 18 17:21:41 * lardman throws a handy board rubber at qwerty12
Jul 18 17:21:48 * qwerty12 dodges
Jul 18 17:21:54 <lardman> :p
Jul 18 17:22:06 <rm_you> maybe i will get rich during the first month of school and be able to afford a $1000 weekend trip to Germany :P
Jul 18 17:22:45 <qwerty12> rm_you: go in someone's suitcase :P
Jul 18 17:23:10 <rm_you> or put up a "Donate to send rm_you to Maemo Summit" button on my ITT post :P that isn't a sure way to get hated, lol
Jul 18 17:24:47 <qwerty12> Make the adv-backlight install file redirect to an paypal page :P
Jul 18 17:24:49 <lcuk> nahhh, just update adv_backlight to keep making the backlight go out randomly until they feed the metre
Jul 18 17:24:51 <lcuk> meter
Jul 18 17:25:05 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:25:10 <lcuk> "Please insert 50p for more light"
Jul 18 17:25:13 <lcuk> it should work
Jul 18 17:25:18 <rm_you> rofl
Jul 18 17:25:46 * qwerty12 is reminded of my old electricity meter again :P
Jul 18 17:26:19 <rm_you> oh, hey!
Jul 18 17:26:22 <lardman> nice, it worked
Jul 18 17:26:39 <rm_you> with n800 screen rotated 180 degrees, the dpad and other buttons ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE FOR GAMES! PWN!
Jul 18 17:26:42 <lardman> well it said it did, the EAN looks somewhat suspect
Jul 18 17:26:53 <rm_you> lardman: commit, i'll verify
Jul 18 17:27:34 <lcuk> so will i
Jul 18 17:28:01 <rm_you> lcuk: me first! :P
Jul 18 17:28:07 * rm_you races to verify
Jul 18 17:28:14 <lcuk> its fast enough for both of us now
Jul 18 17:28:20 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:28:35 <qwerty12> For a format to be recognised in gstreamer, is installing the libs enough or do I have to write up an xml file too?
Jul 18 17:28:42 <rm_you> lcuk: you would win, you compile on-device
Jul 18 17:28:49 <lardman> rm_you, lcuk: done
Jul 18 17:29:14 <lcuk> tsk maemo-barcode.c:428: error: syntax error before '==' token
Jul 18 17:29:44 <lcuk> how does this get through your compiler?
Jul 18 17:29:52 <lardman> really?
Jul 18 17:29:59 <lcuk> well thats what its telling me
Jul 18 17:30:12 <lardman> hmm, no error here
Jul 18 17:30:20 <lcuk> it had 2 errors for rev23, and 1 for this latest 24
Jul 18 17:30:21 <rm_you> compiles here
Jul 18 17:30:26 <lcuk> make clean and try again?
Jul 18 17:30:29 <rm_you> revert?
Jul 18 17:30:32 <lardman> I have no == near that line either
Jul 18 17:30:57 <lardman> yeah, EAN is not good
Jul 18 17:31:15 <lardman> Success !!!!!!!!!!!!, EAN =
Jul 18 17:31:15 <lardman> -133033333333108502220814
Jul 18 17:31:20 <lardman> hmm ;)
Jul 18 17:31:29 <lcuk> you have lines like this:
Jul 18 17:31:29 <lcuk> <<<<<<< .mine
Jul 18 17:31:29 <lcuk> =======
Jul 18 17:32:00 <lardman> what are you asking?
Jul 18 17:32:18 <lcuk> those are in maemo-barcode.c
Jul 18 17:32:23 <lardman> no
Jul 18 17:32:24 <lcuk> not commented out
Jul 18 17:32:43 <lcuk>     ret = GetBarCodeData(data, 240, 320, ean);
Jul 18 17:32:43 <lcuk> >>>>>>> .r22
Jul 18 17:32:50 <lcuk> hmmm
Jul 18 17:33:01 <lardman> no, not in my file, is that some SVN thing?
Jul 18 17:33:45 <lardman> I need to check the logic for the code recognition, I converted it to integer only, this is probably causing problems
Jul 18 17:33:57 <lcuk> :S gonna clean it out - theres a load of half files
Jul 18 17:34:03 <rm_you> wow
Jul 18 17:34:09 <rm_you> so i apparently lack any kind of ean
Jul 18 17:34:14 <rm_you> gonna print one ;P
Jul 18 17:34:34 <lardman> rm_you: I had to wobble the barcode around until it got one
Jul 18 17:36:51 <lcuk> lardman, what happens if the scanning is mirrored - does it matter to the logic?
Jul 18 17:37:05 <lardman> lcuk: that will break it
Jul 18 17:37:07 <lardman> Ithink
Jul 18 17:37:09 <lardman> hmm
Jul 18 17:37:23 <rm_you> hmm
Jul 18 17:37:25 <lcuk> it should work but fail the signing check thing
Jul 18 17:37:27 <lardman> need to check the spec actually, I seem to remember that the two sides are mirrored anyway
Jul 18 17:37:31 <rm_you> -1333-13333333108505497614
Jul 18 17:37:33 <rm_you> yeah...
Jul 18 17:37:52 <rm_you> http://www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/gif/upcpix.jpg
Jul 18 17:37:54 <lcuk> i think the camera gives a mirror image is why
Jul 18 17:38:02 <lardman> oh, ok
Jul 18 17:38:16 <lcuk> the numbers read mirrored, you are working on inverted dataset
Jul 18 17:38:47 <lardman> might be...
Jul 18 17:38:49 <lcuk> ie if you are coding it and forcing it to work you might find mirroring the image will fix the problem rather than a codebug
Jul 18 17:39:31 <lardman> not, it's not inverted, though my logic for reading a line may be suspect if someone wants to take a look
Jul 18 17:39:36 <lcuk> i didnt notice last night because guardbars are invariant
Jul 18 17:39:39 <rm_you> is this for EAN-13?
Jul 18 17:39:44 <lardman> yes
Jul 18 17:39:59 <lardman> the leading int is the length
Jul 18 17:40:00 <Tu13es> what repo is xterm in?
Jul 18 17:40:02 <lardman> I can remove that
Jul 18 17:40:05 <lcuk> it is inverted:  as in if you hold up something with writing it is backwards
Jul 18 17:40:22 <lcuk> pixel 0 top left is actually the top right of the image
Jul 18 17:40:23 <lardman> actually the leading int isn't output anyway
Jul 18 17:40:37 <lardman> ah, ok
Jul 18 17:40:50 <lcuk> let me see if i can cure that for you simply :)
Jul 18 17:41:04 <rm_you> lcuk: mine isnt
Jul 18 17:41:13 <rm_you> lcuk: i hold up something with writing, i can read it
Jul 18 17:41:16 <lcuk> you are using n800 forwards facing camera
Jul 18 17:41:21 <rm_you> yes
Jul 18 17:41:25 <lardman> I'm using N810
Jul 18 17:41:32 <lcuk> backwards facing camera
Jul 18 17:41:45 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 18 17:41:53 <lcuk> hmmm then - needs to handle both?
Jul 18 17:42:06 <lardman> yes, that needs to be done
Jul 18 17:42:17 <lcuk> it shouldnt matter lardman, once you find your array you can pass it into the check function twice?
Jul 18 17:42:22 <lcuk> once forwards and once backwards?
Jul 18 17:42:25 <lardman> or decode on way then the other and see if it works?
Jul 18 17:42:31 <lardman> lcuk: yes
Jul 18 17:42:36 <lcuk> :)
Jul 18 17:42:48 <rm_you> lardman: or use this
Jul 18 17:42:49 <lcuk> the more chances you give yourself to come out with something valid the better
Jul 18 17:43:09 <lcuk> ill find out how/where to write to the screen
Jul 18 17:43:11 <lcuk> back in a bit
Jul 18 17:43:41 <rm_you> lardman: http://slexy.org/view/s2CKdOo65m
Jul 18 17:44:14 <lcuk> rm_you, it doesnt matter - YOU can use the camera backwards
Jul 18 17:44:19 <lcuk> on your 800
Jul 18 17:44:24 <rm_you> i can?
Jul 18 17:44:30 <lcuk> rotate it towards you
Jul 18 17:44:42 <lcuk> ?
Jul 18 17:45:07 <lcuk> we have to show the barcode to the screen - not hold the 810 in front of it
Jul 18 17:45:32 <rm_you> lcuk: even if it is facing me
Jul 18 17:45:35 <rm_you> i can read text
Jul 18 17:45:43 <lardman> there's a file in the sysfs which says which way the camera is pointing
Jul 18 17:45:56 <madhav> lcuk: Hi
Jul 18 17:46:07 <lcuk> hi madman
Jul 18 17:46:14 <lcuk> :P
Jul 18 17:46:22 <madhav> :) madman..?
Jul 18 17:46:27 <lcuk> :D
Jul 18 17:46:36 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:46:56 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk loves you really :p
Jul 18 17:46:57 <lcuk> lardman, just send it through twice then its usable for multiple devices without worrying - if at a later date you come to port it you wont have to wrry?
Jul 18 17:46:59 <madhav> lcuk: u got the source for this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI
Jul 18 17:47:08 <rm_you> lcuk: even if it is facing me, the text is normal readable
Jul 18 17:47:10 <lardman> lcuk: ack
Jul 18 17:47:17 <lcuk> madhav, i do
Jul 18 17:47:18 <rm_you> lcuk: it doesnt change no matter what i do
Jul 18 17:47:37 <lcuk> rm_you, it might be in the device driver for the camera then?
Jul 18 17:47:43 <madhav> lcuk: can i get it?
Jul 18 17:47:44 <rm_you> lcuk: maybe
Jul 18 17:47:53 <rm_you> madhav: it is in garage isn't it?
Jul 18 17:47:57 <rm_you> lcuk: isn't it?
Jul 18 17:48:08 <lcuk> madhav, have you tried the binary
Jul 18 17:48:12 <madhav> im not sure..
Jul 18 17:48:13 <lcuk> yes
Jul 18 17:48:38 <madhav> where in garaage.. got the link?
Jul 18 17:48:43 <lcuk> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/
Jul 18 17:49:01 <lcuk> theres no installer for it but its buildable on a standard system
Jul 18 17:49:12 <madhav> lcuk: np, tk
Jul 18 17:49:16 <RST38bis> moo,gentlemen
Jul 18 17:49:27 <lcuk> madhav, :) whats interested you about it
Jul 18 17:49:43 <qwerty12_N800> ello RST38bis
Jul 18 17:49:51 <madhav> lcuk: drawing
Jul 18 17:50:11 <RST38bis> what's cooking?
Jul 18 17:50:12 <madhav> lcuk: especially the pen stroke
Jul 18 17:50:27 <lcuk> good :)  the youtube video doesnt do the sketch part justice - i was in powersave mode and it lagged
Jul 18 17:50:48 <lcuk> its MUCH better on actual fullspeed performance and keeps up with stylus
Jul 18 17:51:34 <rm_you> lcuk: i wish I knew enough to implement PDF reading <_<
Jul 18 17:51:34 * lcuk has done more with it since but not uploaded
Jul 18 17:51:58 <lcuk> rm_you, :) i put image loading in now - i have cat pictures scrolling around
Jul 18 17:52:03 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:52:22 <rm_you> well, could do PDF -> jpeg for the time being
Jul 18 17:52:28 <rm_you> dynamically
Jul 18 17:52:34 <rm_you> as a proof of concept for reading pdfs
Jul 18 17:52:39 <lcuk> yes, its possible as we said
Jul 18 17:53:03 <RST38bis> i suggest dooing it right.
Jul 18 17:53:09 <lcuk> im having a nice long weekend on it after playing with barcode
Jul 18 17:53:25 <rm_you> yeah, it is nice to take a break from your main project, eh? :P
Jul 18 17:53:42 <lcuk> RST38bis, i agree entirely - time is against me though.  i dont really wanna port the pdf scanner ive got and dont want to learn someone elses api right now
Jul 18 17:53:44 <lcuk> time...
Jul 18 17:54:05 <lcuk> rm_you, time and needing to see a little bit about gtk and the camera
Jul 18 17:54:14 <RST38bis> oh
Jul 18 17:54:58 <lcuk> ive got goals for the summit (camera is one of them..) and if i sidetrack too far i will annoy myself
Jul 18 17:55:12 <rm_you> camera in liqbase? :P
Jul 18 17:55:27 <lcuk> well its a damned good source of live YUV image data :)
Jul 18 17:55:32 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 17:55:56 <lcuk> and when i say "Hello, who are you" i want you to write your name and get a snapshot for logging in
Jul 18 17:56:15 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 17:56:31 * lcuk has lots of ideas for using everything
Jul 18 17:57:02 <lcuk> the mic is another one.  crashanddie is looking at that i think and im looking forward to seeing/hearing the results
Jul 18 17:57:49 <lcuk> anyway, sidetracking
Jul 18 17:58:05 <lcuk> madhav, hope the code isnt too bad for you to understand
Jul 18 17:58:20 <RST38bis> sonyeric slashes 2000 jobs
Jul 18 17:58:42 <RST38bis> poor uiq...we hardly kneew you...
Jul 18 17:58:55 <vmlinuz> I loaded 2008HE on my 770 and I left it on all day, then the batery started to get low, when I connected the power adaptor the screen went off and no indicator of batery being charged whatsoever
Jul 18 17:59:15 <vmlinuz> now I try to boot the 770 and it shows the nokia logo, then shuts down again
Jul 18 17:59:39 <vmlinuz> I removed the batery last night and just plugged in and connected the AC, no batery charge icon
Jul 18 17:59:40 <qwerty12_N800> "Three Chinese reporters attending a police briefing on the success of an anti-gun campaign were accidentally shot."
Jul 18 17:59:48 <rm_you> lardman: OH, EAN is a superset of UPC :) ok then, i guess i do have tons sitting around
Jul 18 17:59:55 <lcuk> lardman, does the makefile produce lots and lots of errors?
Jul 18 17:59:58 <Atarii> rm_you back
Jul 18 18:00:03 <Atarii> want me to try 13-7?
Jul 18 18:00:05 <rm_you> Atarii: yes
Jul 18 18:01:47 <vmlinuz> does anyone have any suggestions for my problem? I tried all the suggestion regarding removing battery, key strokes, leaving charging overnight... but no results
Jul 18 18:02:24 <GAN800> Make sure th charger is actually working? :/
Jul 18 18:02:42 <rm_you> GAN is back! :P
Jul 18 18:02:59 <Atarii> lies, it's just his thoughts manifesting onto IRC again
Jul 18 18:03:15 <GAN800> Anybody else have horrible icon scaling on fiferboy's applets?
Jul 18 18:03:28 <vmlinuz> GAN800, I'll take it to the lab and test it with a multimeter
Jul 18 18:03:29 <Atarii> i did yes
Jul 18 18:03:35 <Atarii> all apart from the smallest icon size
Jul 18 18:04:09 <lardman> lcuk: not sure about that
Jul 18 18:04:16 <lardman> lcuk: some linker errors?
Jul 18 18:04:20 <lardman> ask rm_you ;)
Jul 18 18:04:25 <lcuk> lol yer
Jul 18 18:04:36 <lardman> Right, I've added in another check, so now the code should not crash
Jul 18 18:04:59 <lardman> I'm a bit concerned that we seem to get out lots of 3s in the partial EAN
Jul 18 18:04:59 <Atarii> rm_you: first thing I notice about 13-7 is a weird graphics bug, just rebooting to make sure it is still replicable
Jul 18 18:05:27 <rm_you> heh, LOTS of 3s :P
Jul 18 18:05:39 <rm_you> lcuk: there are lots of linker WARNINGS
Jul 18 18:05:45 <rm_you> shouldn't matter AFAIK
Jul 18 18:05:46 <lardman> I've just pushed my current code
Jul 18 18:05:55 <lcuk> it just gets in the way cos they scroll off the page
Jul 18 18:05:57 <lardman> I think what I need to do is look at the maths
Jul 18 18:06:21 <rm_you> i don't know how we'd fix those, you can look into it :P
Jul 18 18:06:31 <lardman> my conversion from fp->integer is probably suspect; would be lucky if it worked first time anwyay
Jul 18 18:06:41 <lcuk> ok, will bring over the makefile formatting from liqbase and get it all compiling with it
Jul 18 18:07:16 <lardman> lcuk: are you going to join? Then you can push some updates, and create a branch to test with your hill/valley code too
Jul 18 18:07:19 <rm_you> lcuk: is prolly just a simple flag... compare CFLAGS and the command lines to see what is missing
Jul 18 18:08:03 <rm_you> Atarii: >
Jul 18 18:08:06 <rm_you> Atarii: ?
Jul 18 18:08:16 <Atarii> rm_you: 13-7 does nothing for the brightness, and the volume has a gfx bug on the numbers value
Jul 18 18:08:29 <rm_you> ???
Jul 18 18:08:35 <Atarii> even with a restart and permissions set manually :s
Jul 18 18:09:14 <rm_you> describe the graphics bug
Jul 18 18:09:54 <lcuk> lardman :) sure  lemme do this and ill do whats needed
Jul 18 18:10:02 <Atarii> upon first opening the dialog, it will display the number '50' but the slider will be fully to the right
Jul 18 18:10:03 <lcuk> how do we do branching, or will command line param do
Jul 18 18:10:26 <lardman> lcuk: just add a branches dir and copy the source in there, then add it
Jul 18 18:10:37 <rm_you> Atarii: oh, yes I see that right here
Jul 18 18:10:38 <lardman> actually
Jul 18 18:10:42 <Atarii> also, if you go to the far left on the volume slider, and slowly move the slider right, the right-edge of the numbers is cut off
Jul 18 18:10:50 <GAN800> Why does Modest thing the esc key should go go windowed mode before it closes an email window? We already HAVE a button for windowed mode!
Jul 18 18:10:57 <lardman> better to just add a different source file and modify the makefile to make some target
Jul 18 18:11:16 <lcuk> i dunno how to do that
Jul 18 18:11:25 <lcuk> i normally just add a menu item
Jul 18 18:11:29 <rm_you> Atarii: THAT i am not seeing
Jul 18 18:12:04 <Atarii> right, im downgrading and confirming the last "fully" working build
Jul 18 18:12:06 <lardman> lcuk: just rename the source file, "svn add" it
Jul 18 18:13:20 <lardman> s/rename/copy to different name
Jul 18 18:13:26 <rm_you> Atarii: did the 13-7 fix permissions on reboot correctly?
Jul 18 18:13:34 <lardman> time to cook
Jul 18 18:13:42 <lcuk> ok, ive fixed the makefile btw
Jul 18 18:14:37 <lcuk> rm_you, will you test this http://slexy.org/view/s20nCclSjT
Jul 18 18:14:55 <jobu> anyone get pyqt to work on maemo/nokia n8x0?
Jul 18 18:14:59 <Atarii> whats the best way to check permissions?
Jul 18 18:15:18 <madhav> lcuk: which wiget programming lang u used..?
Jul 18 18:15:39 <lcuk> widgets? as in user controls?
Jul 18 18:15:39 <GAN800> You know, #630 makes me wonder how long we sat with some bugs just never even being looked at. . . .
Jul 18 18:15:43 <rm_you> works
Jul 18 18:15:51 <lcuk> and its cleaner rm_you
Jul 18 18:15:52 <rm_you> still tons of warnings with Simon's stuff :P
Jul 18 18:15:56 <lcuk> if you have access to svn push it
Jul 18 18:16:01 <rm_you> do not.
Jul 18 18:16:04 <lcuk> yes - this will make it easier to see
Jul 18 18:16:11 <lcuk> ahhh right, ill do it in a bit then
Jul 18 18:16:17 <lcuk> lardman, the makefile works
Jul 18 18:16:25 <lcuk> and is simpler to add new items to
Jul 18 18:16:25 <madhav> lcuk: wigets/buttons..
Jul 18 18:16:35 <rm_you> ah
Jul 18 18:16:38 <rm_you> was just missing an LD line
Jul 18 18:16:48 <lcuk> homemade madhav - i started the entire liqbase from a blank canvas
Jul 18 18:17:30 <lcuk> the menus are technically just custom areas on the screen - a widget set is being created for handling all that kind of stuff though (its what all the graffiti is hosted in
Jul 18 18:17:39 <madhav> lcuk: great!
Jul 18 18:17:39 <lcuk> im gonna let the user design their own interface btw :)
Jul 18 18:18:16 <rm_you> lardman|cooking: more segfault
Jul 18 18:18:37 <derf> rm_you: Pong.
Jul 18 18:18:44 <rm_you> derf: ping
Jul 18 18:18:47 <derf> rm_you: Pong.
Jul 18 18:18:51 <rm_you> derf: ping
Jul 18 18:19:37 <rm_you> derf: http://sourceforge.net/projects/barcode2d  <--- QR decoder in Objective C
Jul 18 18:19:52 <rm_you> GPL3
Jul 18 18:19:54 <derf> Whoa, sweet.
Jul 18 18:19:55 <RST38bis> objc. umgh.
Jul 18 18:20:02 <derf> RST38bis: It's not Java, at least.
Jul 18 18:20:05 <rm_you> better to port from than JAVA prolly
Jul 18 18:20:25 <rm_you> derf: i was gonna take a crack at porting that
Jul 18 18:20:27 <derf> rm_you: Does it have the same bugs in the R-S and BCH error correction?
Jul 18 18:20:28 <rm_you> if you want to as well
Jul 18 18:20:34 <rm_you> derf: dunno
Jul 18 18:20:46 <madhav> lcuk: i wrote a paint program in gtk , there im do stoke with pen(touchscreen), im not getting all the events on motion event..wondering how u are able to get it working pretty good..
Jul 18 18:20:58 <madhav> doing*
Jul 18 18:21:00 <fnordianslip> doesn't gcc support obj-c ?
Jul 18 18:21:02 <rm_you> derf: just read through a little of it, not sure how I would tell what bugs it has without just stumbling on a bug report <_< I dont know QR codes
Jul 18 18:21:10 <snowmoon-work> Oh, yeah, WTF hildon... changing from hildon.NamePasswordDialog in v3 to hildon.LoginDialog in v4 hat do the same things!  ( had to get that off my chest )
Jul 18 18:21:16 <derf> I don't either, but I know Galois Field theory.
Jul 18 18:21:19 <lcuk> low level coding and not wasting time going through hundreds of layers to actually get the data and use it quickly enough :)
Jul 18 18:21:25 <rm_you> derf: lol
Jul 18 18:21:29 <lcuk> its just an x window
Jul 18 18:21:37 <lcuk> and the events come to me
Jul 18 18:21:52 * snowmoon-work feels better
Jul 18 18:21:57 <lcuk> it uses the pressure sensitive x extension
Jul 18 18:22:12 <Atarii> rm_you: is it "ls -s" to check permissions?
Jul 18 18:22:24 <rm_you> ls -l
Jul 18 18:22:27 <rm_you> hrm...
Jul 18 18:22:29 <rm_you> ~Galois
Jul 18 18:22:30 <infobot> rumour has it, galois is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois_theory
Jul 18 18:22:37 <madhav> lcuk: that means in my case X---GTK events are lost...right?
Jul 18 18:22:41 <rm_you> interesting...
Jul 18 18:22:46 <Atarii> -rw-rw-rw-
Jul 18 18:22:51 <rm_you> Atarii: it worked! yay
Jul 18 18:22:59 <rm_you> though now the problem is the program itself
Jul 18 18:23:09 <rm_you> Atarii: and you verified that 13-1 worked?
Jul 18 18:23:12 <Atarii> im now purging to check the last working one
Jul 18 18:23:14 <rm_you> k
Jul 18 18:23:22 <lcuk> i wouldnt know - i dont know how gtk does it, BUT i would image underneath there is an x11 window. attach the pressure sensitive handler to it and listen for its events
Jul 18 18:23:35 <lcuk> i would imagine ^
Jul 18 18:23:51 <Atarii> if GAN800 says 13-1 and it now doesn't, i'm guessing i didn't purge when installing it, and just upgraded :(
Jul 18 18:24:09 <rm_you> he didnt say that
Jul 18 18:24:12 <rm_you> YOU said it
Jul 18 18:24:16 <rm_you> so
Jul 18 18:24:18 <rm_you> if it doesnt work
Jul 18 18:24:21 <rm_you> then go back more
Jul 18 18:24:24 <rm_you> and find when it does
Jul 18 18:24:27 <Atarii> indeed
Jul 18 18:24:32 <rm_you> does 13-1 not?
Jul 18 18:24:53 <Atarii> its installing
Jul 18 18:24:59 <Atarii> sorry for being a noob tester
Jul 18 18:25:06 <Atarii> i should be better, its my job :S
Jul 18 18:25:11 <rm_you> lol np you are actually good :P
Jul 18 18:25:21 <GAN800> rm_you, it can't be that hard to change that value. :P Pick a dummy value or something on your N800 you can test with so we don't have to keep poking at this. . . .
Jul 18 18:26:02 <rm_you> GAN800: I don't know why it fails on 770, i need to find out which revision introduced the bug, so i can figure out what the bug IS
Jul 18 18:26:06 <rm_you> and fix it :P
Jul 18 18:26:39 <GAN800> It's _never_ worked for me
Jul 18 18:26:49 <rm_you> GAN800: it worked for Atarii at some point
Jul 18 18:27:05 <rm_you> i swear it worked for you too briefly, though you had to modify permissions
Jul 18 18:27:11 <GAN800> No.
Jul 18 18:27:22 <GAN800> It never worked for me.
Jul 18 18:27:26 <Atarii> im guessing it working from not purging, therefore using old configs or something
Jul 18 18:27:33 <Atarii> it doesn't work now
Jul 18 18:27:38 <rm_you> ok go back further
Jul 18 18:27:41 <rm_you> 12-something
Jul 18 18:27:49 <GAN800> Pick a thing to change on your N800 and get the code sorted. <_<
Jul 18 18:27:49 <Atarii> 12-6 now installing
Jul 18 18:27:58 <rm_you> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-6_armel.deb
Jul 18 18:28:00 <rm_you> GAN800: !?
Jul 18 18:28:03 <madhav> lcuk: pressure sensitive?  http://man.chinaunix.net/develop/GTK+/tutorial/x2928.html#AEN2933 this was the example which i tried GTK Scribble...
Jul 18 18:28:04 <derf> I'd never read Objective C before, but now I can see why you said "ugh".
Jul 18 18:28:08 <rm_you> GAN800: I dont know what you are talking about
Jul 18 18:28:24 <derf> [synBytes setValue: sum at: j]; <-- This is in no way C.
Jul 18 18:28:56 <lcuk> madhav, yes press harder on the tablet and the line is brighter, go lightly and its less so
Jul 18 18:28:57 <rm_you> does gcc compile objective C tho?
Jul 18 18:28:59 <derf> In C we say synBytes[j]=sum;
Jul 18 18:29:02 <rm_you> people keep suggesting it does
Jul 18 18:29:05 <derf> rm_you: Yes, I'm pretty sure it does.
Jul 18 18:29:10 <rm_you> then...
Jul 18 18:29:14 <rm_you> we don't have a problem?
Jul 18 18:29:14 <lcuk> madhav, does that draw onto a gtk_drawing_area_new
Jul 18 18:29:19 <GAN800> Pick a value or file on your N800 that'd be analagous to the 770's brightness and have the slider change that so we don't have to keep testing things that _don't do anything_.
Jul 18 18:29:22 <derf> However, I've never seen it with a .m extension before.
Jul 18 18:29:24 <madhav> yes..
Jul 18 18:29:31 <derf> rm_you: Yeah, you could probably just use it.
Jul 18 18:29:37 <derf> I see they fixed at least one R-S bug.
Jul 18 18:29:38 <lcuk> cool, thanks
Jul 18 18:29:43 <lcuk> for side project
Jul 18 18:29:44 <rm_you> GAN800: the problem is i dont know what those numbers are supposed to DO
Jul 18 18:29:49 <rm_you> GAN800: they are very weird
Jul 18 18:29:56 <madhav> lcuk: why did u  ask that..?
Jul 18 18:30:05 <rm_you> GAN800: and it could be a math problem, which i would never notice
Jul 18 18:30:07 <GAN800> fanoush's blset script should tell all.
Jul 18 18:30:17 <rm_you> GAN800: yes but it is very odd <_<
Jul 18 18:30:19 <rm_you> and quirky
Jul 18 18:30:23 <Atarii> GAN800 do you have a 770 and both a n800 and n810?
Jul 18 18:30:24 <lcuk> cos i need to draw lines onto one - ive never used gtk before
Jul 18 18:30:29 <GAN800> pm him for clarification.
Jul 18 18:30:37 <GAN800> No N810
Jul 18 18:30:46 <rm_you> Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-6_armel.deb
Jul 18 18:30:46 <GAN800> N810s suck.
Jul 18 18:30:52 <rm_you> ignore GA for now
Jul 18 18:30:55 <Atarii> lol
Jul 18 18:30:56 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 18:31:15 <Atarii> 12-6 nope, onto 12-4
Jul 18 18:31:17 <Atarii> man this sucks
Jul 18 18:31:25 <Atarii> i swear most of these worked at some point
Jul 18 18:31:28 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 18:31:32 <rm_you> check permissions again?
Jul 18 18:31:40 <Atarii> yea i have been
Jul 18 18:31:45 <Atarii> even manually setting
Jul 18 18:31:49 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 18:31:57 <madhav> lcuk: u are trying out that nw..?
Jul 18 18:32:05 <Atarii> im pretty sure 12-4 definately worked though, so fingers crossed....
Jul 18 18:32:16 <Atarii> GAN800 which was last version to work for you?
Jul 18 18:32:21 <derf> Awesome, this guy copied over verbatim qrcode's use of arrays of 0's and 1's instead of just using a single binary integer.
Jul 18 18:32:31 <lardman|cooking> rm_you: can you see where the segfault might have occurred?
Jul 18 18:32:39 <rm_you> lardman|cooking: hrm
Jul 18 18:32:43 <lardman|cooking> hi derf
Jul 18 18:32:44 <GAN800> No version has EVER worked for me.
Jul 18 18:32:49 <Atarii> oh
Jul 18 18:32:53 <lardman|cooking> derf: looking at the *.m code?
Jul 18 18:32:57 <derf> lardman|cooking: Yeah.
Jul 18 18:33:10 <GAN800> They've either crashed hildon-desktop or done nothing.
Jul 18 18:33:17 <Atarii> have you tried setting the value of /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level manually?
Jul 18 18:33:28 <lcuk> madhav, no, i just needed the syntax for drawing to the screen and this shows it
Jul 18 18:33:28 <GAN800> Yes, that works fine.
Jul 18 18:33:30 <rm_you> lardman|cooking: latest floating point: http://slexy.org/view/s20npbzJtu
Jul 18 18:33:38 <lardman|cooking> rm_you: cool
Jul 18 18:33:49 <derf> lardman|cooking: The BCH stuff is I think severely broken.
Jul 18 18:33:59 <lardman|cooking> BCH?
Jul 18 18:34:01 <derf> The R-S only minorly so.
Jul 18 18:34:04 <rm_you> lardman|cooking: latest segfault http://slexy.org/view/s2kgalGQ49
Jul 18 18:34:08 <lardman|cooking> rm_you: factor=0 is the problem
Jul 18 18:34:11 <derf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCH_code
Jul 18 18:34:23 <lardman|cooking> :) thanks
Jul 18 18:34:31 <lcuk> lardman|cooking, this works and cleanses your make process http://slexy.org/view/s20nCclSjT
Jul 18 18:34:39 <lcuk> it helps let you see the errors better
Jul 18 18:34:47 <lcuk> me and rm have tested
Jul 18 18:34:59 <lcuk>  / warnings
Jul 18 18:35:13 <rm_you> Atarii: so no versions working now?
Jul 18 18:35:21 <Atarii> no :s
Jul 18 18:35:22 <rm_you> *sigh* i will do as GA says for a bit
Jul 18 18:35:33 <lardman|cooking> rm_you: my mistake, in the code lines 366 & 420 should be <=0 not <0
Jul 18 18:35:44 <rm_you> lardman|cooking: :) fixed now, that is good :P
Jul 18 18:36:19 <lardman|cooking> has anyone tried to join who I should add?
Jul 18 18:36:30 <lardman|cooking> s/who/whom
Jul 18 18:37:03 <rm_you> I may join
Jul 18 18:37:43 <lardman|cooking> go on then
Jul 18 18:37:47 <rm_you> there, put in a request just for kicks... may start on the QR stuff
Jul 18 18:37:48 <lardman|cooking> lcuk, derf?
Jul 18 18:37:52 <rm_you> unless derf is doing it
Jul 18 18:37:57 <rm_you> or else I can help him
Jul 18 18:38:01 <rm_you> though we may not need to port it
Jul 18 18:38:11 <lardman|cooking> there's always datamatrix stuff if you want
Jul 18 18:38:11 <rm_you> if I can get it to compile and take input from your camera stuff.
Jul 18 18:38:20 <lardman|cooking> not porting, but getting the lib to work
Jul 18 18:38:45 <rm_you> k
Jul 18 18:38:52 <lardman|cooking> Are you Adam?
Jul 18 18:39:21 <rm_you> yes
Jul 18 18:39:34 <lardman|cooking> done
Jul 18 18:40:38 <lardman|cooking> rm_you: I've not pushed that correction (> -> >=) so go for it if you want to
Jul 18 18:41:02 <rm_you> lol no
Jul 18 18:41:02 <lardman|cooking> s/>/<
Jul 18 18:41:13 <rm_you> it's your code, you prolly already changed, yes?
Jul 18 18:41:34 <lardman|cooking> pushed now then :p
Jul 18 18:42:01 <derf> rm_you: Feel free to go ahead with the Objective C stuff.
Jul 18 18:42:05 <rm_you> dek
Jul 18 18:42:07 <rm_you> derf: k
Jul 18 18:42:27 <derf> I'll worry about fixing the bugs in it once you get it up and running.
Jul 18 18:42:38 <rm_you> heh k
Jul 18 18:43:03 <derf> I may wind up rewriting the whole thing anyway so we can use something more sophisticated than Niblack binarization, etc.
Jul 18 18:43:12 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 18:43:18 <rm_you> i can fix that array -> int issue
Jul 18 18:43:22 <derf> And, you know, not allocate a bikkion arrays all over the place.
Jul 18 18:43:26 <derf> rm_you: I already did.
Jul 18 18:43:30 <rm_you> ah ok
Jul 18 18:43:31 <derf> But in C.
Jul 18 18:43:34 <rm_you> did you put it to the repo?
Jul 18 18:43:38 <derf> What repo?
Jul 18 18:43:40 <rm_you> err
Jul 18 18:43:41 <rm_you> svn
Jul 18 18:43:44 <lcuk> arghhhh
Jul 18 18:43:46 <derf> What svn?
Jul 18 18:43:49 <rm_you> sorry, busy updating extras :P
Jul 18 18:43:59 <rm_you> derf: ? the maemo-barcode svn
Jul 18 18:44:09 <rm_you> you fixed it... where? :P
Jul 18 18:44:09 <derf> I haven't put anything in there, no.
Jul 18 18:44:19 <derf> In some directory on my laptop.
Jul 18 18:44:22 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 18:44:26 <rm_you> less than helpful :)
Jul 18 18:44:45 <lcuk> madhav, are you still about, and could you please tell me whats missing in the middle of :     screen = gtk_drawing_area_new();       .............     gdk_draw_line(screen, screen->style->white_gc, x, linenum, x+ww, linenum);
Jul 18 18:44:46 <derf> Well, there's a few more bugs in it still.
Jul 18 18:44:52 <derf> But at least it should be much faster now.
Jul 18 18:45:10 <rm_you> derf: k, well, you may as well push the version you have to SVN so i dont start working on outdated code <_<
Jul 18 18:45:11 <lcuk> currently, it moans:  gdk_draw_line: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAWABLE (drawable)' failed
Jul 18 18:45:14 <madhav> lcuk: can u pastebin
Jul 18 18:45:32 <lcuk> yes, those are the 2 lines:   create a drawing area, draw to it
Jul 18 18:45:36 <derf> rm_you: I mean, it's just some C routines, with a different API, that are in no way used by the Java code or the Objective C stuff.
Jul 18 18:45:36 <lcuk> what am i missing?
Jul 18 18:45:42 <rm_you> ah ok
Jul 18 18:45:53 <derf> But I had to start somewhere.
Jul 18 18:45:55 <rm_you> and shouldnt impact my ability to get the code to compile?
Jul 18 18:45:59 <derf> No.
Jul 18 18:46:01 <rm_you> k
Jul 18 18:46:10 <derf> I'll figure out how to fold those fixes in to whatever you get working later.
Jul 18 18:46:25 <lcuk> madhav, they are done at totally seperate ends of the program in different files so pastebin is a bit impractical.  that is the boiled down version :)
Jul 18 18:46:29 <derf> OR, I'll rewrite the whole library. One of those two.
Jul 18 18:46:35 <madhav> lcuk: http://man.chinaunix.net/develop/GTK+/tutorial/x2928.html#AEN2933 look at it, i guess u need a gdk_draw_drawable on expose event
Jul 18 18:46:55 <lcuk> ahhh, so i dont draw to the drawing_area, i draw to the drawable
Jul 18 18:47:10 <lardman|cooking> We can poke Jaffa to do some web scraping
Jul 18 18:47:15 <lcuk> thanks, ill go and allocate one :)
Jul 18 18:47:21 <rm_you> lol k
Jul 18 18:47:32 <madhav> lcuk: ok
Jul 18 18:48:21 <lcuk> oh crap, does it not directly update either?
Jul 18 18:48:35 <lcuk> gaaa @ not having raw planar access ;)
Jul 18 18:51:56 <rm_you> derf: you using http://www.libdmtx.org/ ?
Jul 18 18:53:52 <madhav> lcuk: it wont update..:) directly
Jul 18 18:54:04 <lcuk> it is doing
Jul 18 18:54:07 <Atarii> aagh this sucks
Jul 18 18:54:08 <lcuk> but i cant clear between it
Jul 18 18:54:12 <Atarii> can't find ANY that work now
Jul 18 18:54:14 <lcuk> only needed one minor change
Jul 18 18:54:29 <vmlinuz> GAN800, you were right :) the cable was ripped off just a little but before the connector
Jul 18 18:54:30 <rm_you> lardman|cooking / lcuk / derf: I am checking in both libdtmtx (datamatrix) and barecode2d (QR) to the repo for initial work
Jul 18 18:54:36 <lcuk> ....  GdkDrawable *drawable = screen->window;     gdk_draw_line(drawable,  ....
Jul 18 18:54:55 <lcuk> ok rm_you im playing with drawing onto the screen the recognised secionts
Jul 18 18:54:55 <rm_you> derf: you should sign up for the garage project so you can work
Jul 18 18:55:04 <lcuk> makes life easier to know what it thinks is a barcode
Jul 18 18:55:04 <rm_you> lcuk: lol ok :) cool
Jul 18 18:55:07 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 18:55:09 <rm_you> very much so
Jul 18 18:55:13 <rm_you> i am always wondering :P
Jul 18 18:55:35 <lcuk> yer it clarifies if its finging fingers (as i can successfully do)   or barcodes
Jul 18 18:55:51 <lcuk> the guard bars need equal sized repeating light/dark :)
Jul 18 18:55:59 <lcuk> splaying my fingers makes it fullfill this
Jul 18 18:56:15 <rm_you> libdtmtrx is cool cause it is already a C Libary design for exactly this :P
Jul 18 18:56:27 * GAN800 plays the MicroB focus game again.
Jul 18 18:56:43 <lcuk> madhav, is there a    gdk_draw_clear()   type function
Jul 18 18:57:00 <madhav> for invalidating?
Jul 18 18:57:09 <lcuk> yes that will do
Jul 18 18:57:41 <lcuk> i can draw but i cant clear it
Jul 18 18:57:41 * rm_you waits for SVN access to propagate :P
Jul 18 18:57:51 <madhav> lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-queue-clear-area
Jul 18 18:58:34 <lcuk> thanks
Jul 18 18:59:03 <lcuk> gtk_widget_queue_draw_area ()gtk_widget_queue_draw_area ()
Jul 18 18:59:13 <lcuk> hmmm double buffered irc lines
Jul 18 18:59:24 <derf> rm_you: I thought libdmtx was a different barcode format (e.g., not QR codes).
Jul 18 18:59:34 <rm_you> derf: yes, datamatrix
Jul 18 18:59:43 <rm_you> i think i said that :P
Jul 18 18:59:54 <rm_you> ah in a different place
Jul 18 19:00:05 <rm_you> anyways, cause i thought you said also something about datamatrix
Jul 18 19:00:14 <rm_you> that you had looked at some code for them
Jul 18 19:00:19 <derf> No, I hadn't.
Jul 18 19:01:57 <derf> Anyway, join request sent.
Jul 18 19:02:41 <rm_you> GAN800: i changed it to write to a file i can see... it is writing the value correctly...
Jul 18 19:02:46 <rm_you> Atarii: can you just do:
Jul 18 19:03:03 <rm_you> echo 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
Jul 18 19:03:36 <rm_you> then, echo 2688 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
Jul 18 19:03:42 <rm_you> and see if it changes it
Jul 18 19:06:09 <Atarii> nope
Jul 18 19:06:11 <Atarii> no changes
Jul 18 19:06:29 <rm_you> ...
Jul 18 19:06:39 <rm_you> did you perchance flash a kernel recently?
Jul 18 19:06:59 <rm_you> like, to try to get rotation support working?
Jul 18 19:06:59 <Atarii> o fucking bollocks
Jul 18 19:07:01 <rm_you> LOL
Jul 18 19:07:04 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 19:07:09 <Atarii> BANG BANG BANG
Jul 18 19:07:11 <rm_you> I'm not insane! woo! :P
Jul 18 19:07:11 <lardman> derf: not sure if you got that, it is different
Jul 18 19:07:14 <Atarii> head on desk.....
Jul 18 19:07:33 <rm_you> GAN800: you SURE you're running fanoush's kernel?
Jul 18 19:07:37 <lardman> rm_you: not sure you need to check the whole lib in... I've not looked yet
Jul 18 19:07:38 <Atarii> and this is why rm_you needs a 770.....
Jul 18 19:08:08 <rm_you> lardman: ah, well, i haven't looked either, but i am now as I wait for SVN permissions, will see what all we need
Jul 18 19:08:37 <rm_you> lardman: it has the whole build tree there for it... I guess we just need headers, and to package it up nicely separately
Jul 18 19:09:22 <lardman> I think it should pacakge up on its own - extras... ;)
Jul 18 19:09:40 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 19:09:43 <rm_you> thats what i meant
Jul 18 19:09:44 <lardman> all we need is to add in a file to maemo-barcode which will interface with that code
Jul 18 19:09:56 <GAN800> Yes, I'm running fanoush's kernel.
Jul 18 19:10:04 <rm_you> GAN800: hrm k...
Jul 18 19:10:10 <rm_you> can you do those two echos
Jul 18 19:10:15 <GAN800> unless it decided to flash itself all on its own.
Jul 18 19:10:31 <mgeee> wow, xchat screen updates are incredibly slow on an asus eee pc
Jul 18 19:10:48 * mgeee blames intel + compiz + EXA
Jul 18 19:11:16 <rm_you> lol compiz
Jul 18 19:11:36 <rm_you> Atarii: you going to flash the kernel?
Jul 18 19:12:04 <Atarii> yes
Jul 18 19:12:09 <Atarii> now booting linux
Jul 18 19:12:22 <rm_you> k
Jul 18 19:12:27 <ShadowJK> you know, xchat screen updates on my Sempron3100+ nvidia 7600gt are about as fast as on N810...
Jul 18 19:13:49 <lardman> rm_you: btw, you should have SVN permissions
Jul 18 19:13:52 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 18 19:14:00 <rm_you> i have to wait for the cron scripts to update
Jul 18 19:14:12 <rm_you> I will go ahead and start packaging libdtmtrx for extras
Jul 18 19:14:13 <lardman> ah, ok
Jul 18 19:14:19 <lardman> cool :)
Jul 18 19:14:28 <GAN800> 120 works.
Jul 18 19:14:42 <GAN800> I don't know where you're getting your numbers.
Jul 18 19:14:45 <ShadowJK> I think xchat has remained just as slow as when I first used it on a P133. It seems that GTK keeps even pace with hardware improvements, to retain its slowness ;p
Jul 18 19:14:48 <rm_you> GAN800: !?
Jul 18 19:14:53 <lardman> there is another datamatrix implantation, spun off from libdmtx, called libdatamatrix iirc
Jul 18 19:14:56 <rm_you> echo 17792 > /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level
Jul 18 19:15:05 <rm_you> that number is straight from fanoush' blset script
Jul 18 19:15:18 <rm_you> value * 256 + 128
Jul 18 19:15:31 <GAN800> Sets it to somewhere in the 40-70 range
Jul 18 19:15:50 <RST38h> ShadowJK: how about profiling it?
Jul 18 19:16:00 <GAN800> 1-127 work fine. . . .
Jul 18 19:16:02 <rm_you> GAN800: that DOES set it...
Jul 18 19:16:07 <rm_you> GAN800: they shouldn't
Jul 18 19:16:12 <RST38h> ShadowJK: you can run non-intrusive Intel profiling tool, IPTU
Jul 18 19:16:16 <rm_you> GAN800: did you look at fanoush' BLSET?
Jul 18 19:16:30 <ShadowJK> RST38h, at a guess I would start by blaming pango ;p
Jul 18 19:16:52 <ShadowJK> Supposedly xchat is faster on intel than nvidia gpu
Jul 18 19:16:54 <rm_you> hm
Jul 18 19:17:05 <ShadowJK> I think pango gets more loving from intel than nvidia...
Jul 18 19:17:09 <GAN800> That's your job.
Jul 18 19:17:16 <GAN800> Anyway, echoing works fine.
Jul 18 19:17:18 <lardman_> ~lart my internet connection
Jul 18 19:17:18 * infobot whacks my internet connection upside the head
Jul 18 19:17:19 <rm_you> value=hwlevel * 256 + swlevel + 128
Jul 18 19:17:25 <rm_you> I have no idea what that means
Jul 18 19:18:36 <GAN800> blset sets the value for the current Nokia applet slider brightness.
Jul 18 19:18:49 <GAN800> swlevel is 1-9
Jul 18 19:20:12 <lcuk> ShadowJK, ive got  xhcat here and im on a 6100 or 6150 or something and its not sluggish - most likely its linux  driver thats the problem for you
Jul 18 19:20:42 <ShadowJK> That's why it's faster on intel, they've got decent-ish drivers
Jul 18 19:20:55 <lcuk> are you using the nvidia blob?
Jul 18 19:21:05 <lcuk> or the OSS driver
Jul 18 19:21:19 <ShadowJK> blob
Jul 18 19:21:43 <ShadowJK> nouveau (oss), nv (oss) and nvidia (blob) seem equal in speed for this case
Jul 18 19:21:43 <lcuk> dunno then - you could try it in a compositing manager and see if it helps
Jul 18 19:22:11 <ShadowJK> iirc it didn't change speed at all :)
Jul 18 19:22:25 <Grackle> Whaaat
Jul 18 19:22:46 <Grackle> xchat is "faster" with a certain graphics card? Are you running 15 year old hardware?
Jul 18 19:22:48 <RST38h> ShadowJK: XChat isn't doing anything special so it should not be slow, pango or not
Jul 18 19:23:00 <lcuk> Grackle, thats my thoughts
Jul 18 19:23:11 <lcuk> hence drivers underneath being a problem
Jul 18 19:23:14 <RST38h> ShadowJK: So I suspect there is some really bad bottleneck there
Jul 18 19:23:29 <Grackle> lcuk, I concur.
Jul 18 19:23:44 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: is it sasha taking up too much memory causing the box to swap? :(
Jul 18 19:23:58 <ShadowJK> It's a "known" problem with nvidia, their forums is full of people complaining of abysmal 2D performance
Jul 18 19:24:17 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps, sasha runs on a dedicated server ;)
Jul 18 19:24:18 <Grackle> ShadowJK, on what cards?
Jul 18 19:24:21 <zap> What's the official name for the ESC key on n810?
Jul 18 19:24:47 <ShadowJK> Grackle, I've seen most complaints about the 8800, but that might just be because people who buy it have the highest expectations or something
Jul 18 19:24:50 <lcuk> Mr Esc. Ape
Jul 18 19:25:01 <zap> :)
Jul 18 19:25:08 <lcuk> isnt it esc
Jul 18 19:25:11 <Grackle> ShadowJK, my 8800 definitely does not suffer from slow 2D performance.
Jul 18 19:25:23 <Grackle> I have an 8800GTS in my desktop.
Jul 18 19:25:25 <zap> I remember they call it somehow on the page about flashing
Jul 18 19:25:31 <zap> or it was the app switch button
Jul 18 19:25:39 <lcuk> flashing is home key
Jul 18 19:25:43 <Grackle> 2, actually, but I've turned off SLI in linux so I can use multiple monitors.
Jul 18 19:25:45 <RST38h> Sorry, folks, I highly doubts XChat problems are related to vidoe drivers
Jul 18 19:25:58 <RST38h> XChat is using standard GTK widgets and it is not doing anything special at all
Jul 18 19:26:09 <ShadowJK> btw, this problem only began when I upgraded to Fedora 9. It was fast and nice in Fedora 7 that has older X, older gtk, older pango, etc :P
Jul 18 19:26:16 <RST38h> So the problem is either in GTK or in the way XChat works
Jul 18 19:26:19 <GAN800> zap, 'Back'
Jul 18 19:26:25 <Grackle> RST38h, indeed. ShadowJK, do you notice the problems in other gtk apps?
Jul 18 19:26:26 <zap> GAN800: thanks!
Jul 18 19:26:28 <ShadowJK> Actually I thought xchat didn't use standard GTK widgets ;p
Jul 18 19:26:30 <GAN800> Swap/Home is a different button.
Jul 18 19:26:31 <lcuk> ShadowJK, to confirm:  is it only xchat that has a problem or entire system is sluggish (ie when grabbing and wiggling nearly fullsize windows
Jul 18 19:26:54 <ShadowJK> Grackle, all the gtkperf figures that involve text are pretty poor in comparison even to some integrated graphics
Jul 18 19:26:57 <lcuk> yes i knw home is different, thats what you get asked to press when flashing
Jul 18 19:27:32 <ShadowJK> lcuk, konsole, gnome-terminal, xfce's Terminal are also annoyingly slow
Jul 18 19:27:54 <ShadowJK> slashdot has an fps of about 1.5 :-)
Jul 18 19:27:57 <GAN800> lcuk, wasn't talking to you. :P
Jul 18 19:28:30 <lcuk> and you say it works nicely on the intel graphics card
Jul 18 19:28:34 <lcuk> same computer?
Jul 18 19:29:13 <lcuk> ~gtk
Jul 18 19:29:14 <infobot> now there's a purty toolkit or fugly in the worst way
Jul 18 19:29:24 <rm_you> libdmtx is in -devel
Jul 18 19:29:29 <lcuk> ~lart missing lart
Jul 18 19:29:29 * infobot executes killall -HUP missing lart
Jul 18 19:30:08 <ShadowJK> lcuk, mind, it's only recently that the nvidia drivers (nv, nvidia, nouveau) stopped corrupting text randomly in xchat and konsole :)
Jul 18 19:30:19 <rm_you> that was surprisingly easy
Jul 18 19:31:12 <ShadowJK> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=46897ba6d82a3b6f309d5197d013ab1f&t=115916
Jul 18 19:31:15 <Grackle> ShadowJK, again, did you test the other cards in the same computer?
Jul 18 19:32:06 <ShadowJK> I haven't tested the integrated in same computer...
Jul 18 19:32:20 <ShadowJK> Although older distro + older drivers were good
Jul 18 19:32:34 <ShadowJK> and older distro + older drivers + FX5500 was good
Jul 18 19:32:43 <ShadowJK> and older distro + older drivers + sis integrated graphics was good
Jul 18 19:33:12 <Grackle> That article claims the 169 drivers are faulty, but I do not have any problems.
Jul 18 19:33:21 <Grackle> s/article/post
Jul 18 19:35:47 <Grackle> ShadowJK, what temps is your card running at?
Jul 18 19:35:52 <Grackle> Is the 3D performance okay?
Jul 18 19:36:02 <Grackle> temp*
Jul 18 19:36:03 <ShadowJK> ya, 3D is fine, card at 55C
Jul 18 19:36:32 <ShadowJK> what version X and gtk though? kde4?
Jul 18 19:37:18 <ShadowJK> I think the thing is that newer distros use more render and other accelerations, and nvidia in the past only bothered to implement or make decent drivers for the functions that people actually used at that time, and now they're lagging behind
Jul 18 19:38:10 <Grackle> I have an up to date Ubuntu system. I'd have to check versions.
Jul 18 19:38:41 <Luria> hey
Jul 18 19:39:01 <ShadowJK> Check for example this guy found something that gives him 100fps on intel, but takes 1 second on nvidia :P http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=46897ba6d82a3b6f309d5197d013ab1f&t=116444
Jul 18 19:39:39 <Grackle> xorg 7.3 with ubuntu patches
Jul 18 19:40:07 <Grackle> libgtk+ 2.0.9.2
Jul 18 19:41:02 <ShadowJK> 1.4.99
Jul 18 19:41:44 <ShadowJK> gtk2 2.12.11
Jul 18 19:42:05 <madha2> lcuk: got it working..on gtk?
Jul 18 19:42:21 <RST38h> ShadowJK: JAVA.
Jul 18 19:42:27 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Should I say more?
Jul 18 19:42:56 <lcuk> no, every method i found to clear the screen cleared the background image as well - i can draw over the camera image but i cant clear the lines ive drawn even though the camera image is fully refreshed
Jul 18 19:43:08 <ShadowJK> Well if intel can accelerate a pig like java 100x they must be doing something right ;-)
Jul 18 19:44:23 <GNUton> Hi there
Jul 18 19:44:57 <JamieBennett> GNUton: hi
Jul 18 19:45:23 <rm_you> lardman|away: hey
Jul 18 19:45:25 <rm_you> lcuk: hey
Jul 18 19:45:33 <GNUton> Hey JamieBennett!
Jul 18 19:45:40 <lcuk> yer
Jul 18 19:45:41 <lardman_> rm_you: yey
Jul 18 19:45:47 <lardman_> hey even
Jul 18 19:45:56 <rm_you> lardman_: / lcuk: there is a file test_datamatrix.c
Jul 18 19:46:02 <rm_you> if you can make it take data from the camera
Jul 18 19:46:06 <rm_you> it should just... WORK
Jul 18 19:46:17 <rm_you> it just needs it in some pixmap format or something i think
Jul 18 19:46:20 <rm_you> i'm not sure
Jul 18 19:46:29 <rm_you> svn up and look at test_datamatrix.c
Jul 18 19:46:37 <rm_you> the dmtx libraries are in -devel
Jul 18 19:47:03 <rm_you> just promoted them to extras
Jul 18 19:47:39 <rm_you> can remove the first two parts
Jul 18 19:47:46 <rm_you> but I left em in so you could see what it was taking
Jul 18 19:47:59 <lcuk> rm_you, that encodes a matrix from a teststring?
Jul 18 19:48:00 <rm_you> looks REALLY simple, it does everything, finding, decoding...
Jul 18 19:48:05 <rm_you> lcuk: the first part
Jul 18 19:48:11 <rm_you> lcuk: that is just so there is some test datas
Jul 18 19:48:19 <rm_you> lcuk: part 3 is the decoding
Jul 18 19:48:20 <lcuk> yes
Jul 18 19:48:46 <lardman> that's probably what I tacked on the end of maemo-barcode.c
Jul 18 19:49:15 <rm_you> lardman: so you think you could fairly quickly get it working for datamatrix? :P
Jul 18 19:49:45 <lardman> I added it in with the plan of doing so, but please go for it :)
Jul 18 19:49:51 <rm_you> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/libd/libdmtx/
Jul 18 19:49:54 <madha2> lcuk: i guess u have to use http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Input-Devices.html#gdk-device-set-source and set the source to GDK_SOURCE_ERASER and clear the rectangle drawn..
Jul 18 19:49:55 <rm_you> ok
Jul 18 19:49:57 <rm_you> I will try
Jul 18 19:50:26 <lcuk> madha2, bleugh
Jul 18 19:51:15 <madha2> me madhav
Jul 18 19:51:27 <lcuk> sounds messy - i might just forget the 2 streams and see if i can just get it making images.  i will then blit the image onto gtk surface myself and then draw ontop
Jul 18 19:51:56 <Luria> sigh... back to hope
Jul 18 19:51:59 <madha2> lcuk: what r u trying to do..?
Jul 18 19:52:00 <lcuk> it is only a problem because its drawing the camera gstreamer data onto some backbuffer
Jul 18 19:52:56 <lcuk> setup a default gtk window and a gstreamer chain which automatically draws camera data on the screen.  i am then in a different event scanning the data and need to draw where i have identified things
Jul 18 19:53:22 <lcuk> i can draw - its great.  but i cant clear those lines ive drawn
Jul 18 19:56:22 <RST38h> lcuk: could you quickly tar and send me current liqbase source?
Jul 18 19:56:34 <lcuk> no, get it from svn
Jul 18 19:56:48 <lcuk> its not stable over here, theres lots of work in progress
Jul 18 19:57:45 <RST38h> I have no svn installed
Jul 18 19:58:01 <rm_you> lardman: any idea how to put a pixmap in their structure?
Jul 18 19:58:32 <RST38h> on the other hand, I have got tortoise...
Jul 18 19:58:37 <rm_you> lardman: this is how they copy it from one of their own structures to another: memcpy(image->pxl, encode.image->pxl, image->width * image->height * sizeof(DmtxRgb));
Jul 18 19:58:44 <madha2> lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-clear clears the window content to background color..
Jul 18 19:59:08 <RST38h> for allocating an rgb buffer, should I look at mplayer or SDL?
Jul 18 19:59:17 <lcuk> yes madha2 i found that and tried it :) it just draws a rectangle over the top of the data (or thats the effect)
Jul 18 19:59:45 <lardman> rm_you: no idea, sorry
Jul 18 19:59:48 <lcuk> sdl will be more compliant and has functions for rendering to it for additional ui
Jul 18 19:59:51 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 18 20:02:01 <madha2> lcuk: im able to clear manually by setting input source to GDK_SOURCE_ERASER and specifying a gdk rectangle area to clear http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Input-Devices.html#gdk-device-set-source
Jul 18 20:02:36 <lcuk> but thats a device and not the drawable isnt it?
Jul 18 20:02:45 <madha2> yes..
Jul 18 20:03:03 <lcuk> and if i set the source wont that stop me getting the image data from gstreamer?
Jul 18 20:03:14 <lcuk> ill try it though
Jul 18 20:04:25 <RST38h> lcuk: appears to go through plain x11 functions though
Jul 18 20:05:01 <lcuk> it uses mmap to alloc a plane if oyu look closely enough and has its own inbuilt fast drawing tools
Jul 18 20:05:50 <rm_you> lardman: http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures
Jul 18 20:06:07 <rm_you> can you look at DmtxImage and tell me what you think
Jul 18 20:06:10 <RST38h> lcuk: I have no use for drawing into that buffer
Jul 18 20:06:18 <rm_you> it says something about the pay pixels are set up...
Jul 18 20:06:24 <RST38h> lcuk: just need to display it on the physical screen as quickly as possible
Jul 18 20:06:33 <rm_you> am I going to have to convert the pixmap into that format?
Jul 18 20:08:13 <lardman> rm_you: there ought to be an easy way to get the data in
Jul 18 20:08:22 <rm_you> lardman: you would think... so close :/
Jul 18 20:08:27 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 20:10:05 <lardman> it can't be too easy or everyone would do it ;)
Jul 18 20:10:10 <rm_you> lol truth
Jul 18 20:10:17 <rm_you> time to figure out export modes of pixmaps
Jul 18 20:11:00 <RST38h> fuck, this mplayer source tree is HUGE
Jul 18 20:12:21 <lardman> yeah, lots of revs/braches
Jul 18 20:21:08 <lbt> https://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_C++
Jul 18 20:21:11 <lbt> FYI
Jul 18 20:26:48 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, Eero's post about battery life killers was on bugzilla, not -developers. <_<
Jul 18 20:33:43 <rm_you> lardman: you certain your pixbuf code works?
Jul 18 20:33:53 <rm_you> maemo-barcode[1750]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GdkPixbuf - gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data: assertion `bits_per_sample == 8' failed
Jul 18 20:34:01 <rm_you> is that my issue or with the creation of the pixbuf?
Jul 18 20:38:56 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, it may or may not be useful to <nowiki> those links..
Jul 18 20:41:55 <lbt> good point - a bit of a blind spot on my part there...
Jul 18 20:42:06 <smyows> helo o/
Jul 18 20:42:26 <Luria> hmmm
Jul 18 20:42:30 <smyows> i build one program on sdk and want to build deb package
Jul 18 20:42:35 <Luria> need a new ac adapter
Jul 18 20:42:39 <smyows> how to do
Jul 18 20:42:47 <lbt> smyows: it's not easy...
Jul 18 20:42:57 <lbt> have you seen the maemopad application?
Jul 18 20:43:11 <smyows> for terminal
Jul 18 20:43:13 <smyows> minicom
Jul 18 20:43:14 <lbt> they provide a complete wrapper.
Jul 18 20:43:24 <lbt> The principal is very similar.
Jul 18 20:43:33 <smyows> hmm
Jul 18 20:43:36 <lbt> You just set different dependenices
Jul 18 20:43:40 <lbt> or, if you likem
Jul 18 20:43:42 <smyows> okay
Jul 18 20:43:42 <lbt> like
Jul 18 20:43:53 <lbt> you could download my shopper application
Jul 18 20:43:56 <smyows> no dependencies
Jul 18 20:44:01 <smyows> :D
Jul 18 20:44:05 <lbt> which has a bare minimum build
Jul 18 20:44:10 <lbt> and I know how it works
Jul 18 20:44:16 <smyows> ok
Jul 18 20:44:21 <lbt> it uses autoconf though
Jul 18 20:44:31 <lbt> (as does maemopad)
Jul 18 20:44:37 <smyows> i have compiled minicom on sdk for arm
Jul 18 20:44:48 <smyows> and make install DESTDIR= .....
Jul 18 20:44:53 <lbt> but I type: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b
Jul 18 20:44:57 <lbt> and get a deb
Jul 18 20:45:10 <smyows> i want to build a deb package on this tree
Jul 18 20:45:20 <lbt> should ask why?
Jul 18 20:45:27 <lbt> do you want to learn to package
Jul 18 20:45:34 <lbt> or do you just want a minicom deb?
Jul 18 20:45:46 <smyows> one minicom.deb :)
Jul 18 20:46:02 <lbt> probably easier to go to your host system
Jul 18 20:46:10 <lbt> and type apt-get source minicom
Jul 18 20:46:16 <lbt> then copy that to the sdk
Jul 18 20:46:19 <lbt> then do
Jul 18 20:46:23 <lbt> debian/rules binary
Jul 18 20:46:30 <lbt> and you probably will get a deb
Jul 18 20:46:31 <smyows> hmm
Jul 18 20:46:35 <lbt> I did that for ddd
Jul 18 20:46:40 <lbt> and it just worked
Jul 18 20:46:46 <smyows> my distro is not debian :/
Jul 18 20:46:57 <lbt> ah - there's your first problem ;)
Jul 18 20:47:18 <Atarii> rm_you: the bad news is ive wasted FAR too long installing kernels/advanced-backlight etc. The good news is that 13-7 works!
Jul 18 20:47:27 <lbt> tum-te-tum
Jul 18 20:47:40 <smyows> uhauha
Jul 18 20:47:43 <lbt> ( apt-get source minicom )
Jul 18 20:48:28 <lbt> (debian/rules binary)
Jul 18 20:48:40 <smyows> [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/temp] > apt-get source minicom
Jul 18 20:48:48 <lbt> nah - needs some minor work
Jul 18 20:48:50 <smyows> E: Unable to find a source package for minicom
Jul 18 20:48:57 <lbt> configure: WARNING: Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline.
Jul 18 20:49:13 <lbt> yes - that's because the maemo/nokia repos don't have it
Jul 18 20:49:14 <Medic119> quick question for the CLI folks out there.  the apt-get update always seems to pull "red pill" packages even when in "blue pill" mode via app manager.  I am assuming that is normal?
Jul 18 20:49:49 <qwerty12_N800> yes. application manager does not regulate apt-get's settings
Jul 18 20:50:27 <qwerty12_N800> smyows, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/minicom_2.3rc1-2_armel.deb
Jul 18 20:50:54 <Medic119> Thats what I figured.  Thanks.  I play around with stuff too much and wanted to be sure I hadn't borked something
Jul 18 20:53:08 <Medic119> Anyone wanna take on port Evolution..lol  I am tired of the lackluster PIM offerings
Jul 18 20:53:12 <smyows> if i compile one program on sbox and zip it, and i unzip on the n8x0 works?
Jul 18 20:53:20 <smyows> qwerty12_N800,  xD
Jul 18 20:53:42 <qwerty12_N800> smyows, yes, just make sure to chmod +x :)
Jul 18 20:53:53 <Atarii> rm_you if you read this steps i took are: flash fanoush kernel, install 13-7, reboot, works!
Jul 18 20:53:57 <qwerty12_N800> (tar.gz is better)
Jul 18 20:54:07 <smyows> o>
Jul 18 20:54:28 <smyows> if exist deb package i'll use it! :)
Jul 18 20:54:34 <smyows> thanks a lot
Jul 18 20:56:22 <rm_you> Atarii: !
Jul 18 20:56:24 <rm_you> ha!
Jul 18 20:56:29 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: eat that, bizzatch! :P
Jul 18 20:56:44 * GeneralAntilles shrugs.
Jul 18 20:56:57 <rm_you> can you try again GA?
Jul 18 20:57:01 <rm_you> check your kernel
Jul 18 20:57:04 <rm_you> wait
Jul 18 20:57:06 <rm_you> you did...
Jul 18 20:57:07 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 20:57:11 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, you'll be happy to hear I'm taking kitchen appliance measurements and notes with liqbase. :D
Jul 18 20:57:12 <rm_you> do a --purge and try again
Jul 18 20:57:21 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: whenever you have time
Jul 18 20:57:34 <lcuk> :D heh
Jul 18 20:58:01 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, that actually makes me happier than you think
Jul 18 20:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if the graffiti wall had sets, etc, etc, etc, but it works. ;)
Jul 18 20:58:39 <rm_you> lcuk: could you take a sec and see if you know how to put gdk_pixbuf data into one of these dmtxImages?
Jul 18 20:58:52 <rm_you> lcuk: http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures
Jul 18 20:59:29 <rm_you> lcuk: it has a DmtxRgb array (being arrays of size 3, prolly RGB)
Jul 18 20:59:43 * qwerty12_N800 needs to reinstall liqbase but i cannot be arsed to unzip, set perms etc. /me waits for the deb... 
Jul 18 20:59:53 <rm_you> lcuk: and it says bits are backed RGBRGBRGB 24bpp pattern...
Jul 18 21:00:19 <lcuk> what happens if the compass is null?
Jul 18 21:00:22 <rm_you> bah i will just do pixel/pixel
Jul 18 21:00:30 <rm_you> NO idea what the compass even IS
Jul 18 21:02:20 <lcuk> DmtxImage dtmx_lard;     dtmx_lard.pagecount=1;  dtmx_lard.width=320; dtmx_lard.height=240; dtmx_lard.pxl = malloc(320*240*sizeof(DmtxRgb)); dtmx_lard.compass=NULL;   then fill in RGB data(is it a color barcode format?)  then pass address of this into the function
Jul 18 21:02:39 <lcuk> remember to free the pxl afterwards
Jul 18 21:03:14 <rm_you> lcuk: err
Jul 18 21:03:19 <rm_you> lcuk: take a look at svn
Jul 18 21:03:25 <lcuk> dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [0] = redpixelatxy;    dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [1] = greenpixelatxy;    dtmx_lard.pxl[ y * 320 + x ] [2] = bluepixelatxy;
Jul 18 21:03:39 <lcuk> you would rather it was formatted wouldnt you
Jul 18 21:04:32 <lcuk> from the glance that is how i would expect to fill it in anyway, reformat it, lay each stmt out on seperate lines, make sure caps are right and see if it looks like a proper init to you
Jul 18 21:04:40 <smyows> i run minicom but he says: No termcap entry for xterm
Jul 18 21:05:03 <qwerty12_N800> apt-get install ncurses-base
Jul 18 21:05:19 <qwerty12_N800> iirc
Jul 18 21:06:51 <rm_you> lcuk: hrm
Jul 18 21:07:07 <lcuk> whats  the decode function called
Jul 18 21:07:08 <rm_you> lcuk: just checked in the datamatrix code... can run make datamatrix
Jul 18 21:07:11 <lcuk> im sortin it for you
Jul 18 21:07:43 <lcuk> well you showed me a structure and svn wasnt working so i filled the structure in
Jul 18 21:07:51 <rm_you> theres a new file
Jul 18 21:07:55 <rm_you> maemo-datamatrix.c
Jul 18 21:08:17 <rm_you> apologize for horrible indentation
Jul 18 21:08:23 <rm_you> i didnt ever bother to fix it
Jul 18 21:09:17 <lcuk> so if the code is already there why did you ask me how to put data into it?
Jul 18 21:09:28 <rm_you> cause i don't know how to put the pixbuf data into it >_>
Jul 18 21:09:36 <rm_you> i've never worked with pixmaps
Jul 18 21:09:43 <rm_you> thought you might know something about how they work
Jul 18 21:09:48 <lcuk> you dont have a pixbuf, you have a greyscale char array[y*x]
Jul 18 21:10:25 <rm_you> pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_data(...)  not a pixbuf? >_>
Jul 18 21:10:50 <lcuk> yes, but why when above there you have "static unsigned char buffer[320*240];"   which jott wrote code to initialize last night
Jul 18 21:11:23 <rm_you> err lardman recommended pixmap :P
Jul 18 21:11:33 <rm_you> but i think i may have given him bad initial information
Jul 18 21:11:36 <lcuk> or you could use the interleaved YUV buffer (called data[]) in that function
Jul 18 21:12:06 <rm_you> imaging is not what I am good at >_>
Jul 18 21:12:14 <lcuk> the jott quick test code has been commented out but it worked well and i wrote a scanner for it last night to identify arbitary guardbars
Jul 18 21:12:23 <rm_you> I once tried to write a png encoder... which was cool and all, but I dont really understand imaging <_<
Jul 18 21:12:55 <rm_you> I just need to figure out how to shove the image data into their little proprietary structure thing, and then we're golder
Jul 18 21:12:57 <rm_you> *golden
Jul 18 21:12:59 <lcuk> i dont understanda gstreamer, im currently trying to strip out the whole GTK automatic display portion of the stream
Jul 18 21:13:05 <rm_you> heh
Jul 18 21:13:16 <lcuk> but when i do its not popping the event saying image ready
Jul 18 21:13:33 <rm_you> :/
Jul 18 21:13:41 <rm_you> ok I will give this another shot
Jul 18 21:13:54 <rm_you> maybe I should sleep first, been up for about 22 hours again
Jul 18 21:14:03 <rm_you> third day in a row
Jul 18 21:16:50 <lcuk> http://slexy.org/view/s21v4d1ZL4
Jul 18 21:17:50 <lcuk> put that into static gboolean analyse_image(unsigned char *data, AppData *appdata)       its not working cos i wrote it in notepad, but thats how i would expect to use it and init it
Jul 18 21:21:27 <jott> hey folks
Jul 18 21:22:56 <lcuk> hi jott
Jul 18 21:25:00 <jott> how is the barcode progressing? ;)
Jul 18 21:25:21 <lcuk> seems quite productive actually, lots of new stuff has gone in
Jul 18 21:26:07 <lcuk> i started to draw to the screen to indicate where i found guardbars
Jul 18 21:26:20 <lcuk> but have encountered a bit of a prob removing the lines i draw
Jul 18 21:26:30 <lcuk> so im just seeing if theres an alt way
Jul 18 21:33:43 <lardman> rm_you: no, I just copied in the main fns from the various test programs
Jul 18 21:33:49 <lardman> no idea if they will work or not
Jul 18 21:33:51 <lardman> sorry
Jul 18 21:33:56 <rm_you> heh k sec
Jul 18 21:34:07 <lardman> sorry for the lag
Jul 18 21:34:33 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 18 21:34:44 <lardman> the thing we will probably need to do it work out what type of barcode it is, and quickly
Jul 18 21:35:14 <lardman> 1D can be done in real-time, not sure about 2D, though if we drop the framerate to 5fps then it might be better
Jul 18 21:35:23 <lardman> and still fast enough to see what's going on
Jul 18 21:36:55 <jott> camera limits to 8fps so we probably could just skip frames
Jul 18 21:36:58 <RST38bis> don't you only need 1fps for barcodes?:)
Jul 18 21:37:16 <lardman> jott: as minimum?
Jul 18 21:37:21 <jott> lardman: yes
Jul 18 21:37:22 <lardman> RST38bis: yeah
Jul 18 21:37:31 <lardman> jott: what are we running at atm
Jul 18 21:37:32 <lardman> ?
Jul 18 21:37:39 <jott> 8..
Jul 18 21:37:44 <lardman> oh, ok
Jul 18 21:37:52 <lardman> well make sure the 2D code is quick then ;)
Jul 18 21:37:58 <jott> when it's set lower then it complains ;)
Jul 18 21:39:36 <rm_you> jott: look at the svn i am just checking in
Jul 18 21:40:00 <rm_you> r29
Jul 18 21:40:11 <rm_you> i KNOW a bunch of stuff is broken
Jul 18 21:40:12 <rm_you> but
Jul 18 21:40:30 <rm_you> it crashes right after 479... which is where i would expect
Jul 18 21:40:35 <rm_you> maemo-datamatrix.c
Jul 18 21:41:43 <rm_you> I think I get what he is doing... but there is virtually no documentation for libdmtx >_>
Jul 18 21:42:01 <jott> what's datamatrix vs barcode?
Jul 18 21:42:08 <rm_you> 2d
Jul 18 21:42:18 <jott> ah ok just stupid c&p :P
Jul 18 21:42:23 <rm_you> yeah :P
Jul 18 21:42:36 <rm_you> libdmtx is in extras now
Jul 18 21:42:40 <rm_you> libdmtx0
Jul 18 21:42:42 <rm_you> and -dev
Jul 18 21:42:46 <jott> has it to be rgb?
Jul 18 21:42:55 <rm_you> this is the only info i have:
Jul 18 21:43:10 <rm_you> http://libdmtx.wiki.sourceforge.net/Data+Structures
Jul 18 21:43:31 <guenther> Anyone experienced with the internal GPS receiver (diablo, a-gps) versus a decent, but not-so-pricey external receiver?
Jul 18 21:43:52 <guenther> It seems the a-gps update really makes a difference.
Jul 18 21:44:20 <guenther> I'm wondering though, how much more I can expect using an external receiver.
Jul 18 21:44:40 * guenther ponders fixing some OpenStreetMap's :)
Jul 18 21:46:53 <RST38bis> guenther: external still locks faster
Jul 18 21:47:33 <RST38bis> tested with gpslim240 from holux
Jul 18 21:47:48 <fnordianslip> i've got a holux m1200 to use with my N800.  It is great.
Jul 18 21:48:12 <guenther> RST38bis: most likely, yes ;)
Jul 18 21:48:32 <guenther> I'm mostly wondering about the accuracy.
Jul 18 21:48:53 <RST38bis> about the same
Jul 18 21:49:05 <guenther> In particular in the urban jungle -- not standing on top of a hill.
Jul 18 21:49:59 <guenther> RST38bis: You mean the position accuracy is about the same with an external receiver?
Jul 18 21:50:16 <guenther> Is the tiny internal one really that good?
Jul 18 21:50:32 <guenther> Or rather... Do external ones suck just the same? ;)
Jul 18 21:51:10 <RST38bis> no idea but it is the same
Jul 18 21:51:34 <fnordianslip> they wander about a bit, probly about 10m spherical error
Jul 18 21:51:55 <guenther> yes, exactly
Jul 18 21:52:17 <guenther> pretty much what I found while doing some testing out there :)
Jul 18 21:53:09 <guenther> Actually sometimes it was surprisingly accurate. But then it jumped straight into the house 10m away...
Jul 18 21:53:39 <RST38bis> maemomapper does not swallow this error unfortunately
Jul 18 21:53:47 <rm_you> jott: any thoughts?
Jul 18 21:54:10 <lardman> I've noticed that, but they it doesn't know where roads, etc., are to try to stick to them
Jul 18 21:54:24 <lbt> any other suggestions for an external BT GPS for the N800?
Jul 18 21:54:33 <lardman> otherwise you just get damped movement, which is annoying - too laggy
Jul 18 21:54:38 <fnordianslip> RST38bis: perhaps some form of DGPS might work
Jul 18 21:54:53 <RST38bis> you can do it without sticking to roads
Jul 18 21:55:10 <RST38bis> it won't
Jul 18 21:55:26 <RST38bis> 'cause it needs infrastructure
Jul 18 21:55:35 <lardman> what do you do then?
Jul 18 21:55:47 <lardman> use "inertia"?
Jul 18 21:55:52 <fnordianslip> how about a distributed differential GPS with stationary users multicasting correction data to nearby moving ones
Jul 18 21:56:10 <lardman> fnordianslip: i.e. DGPS
Jul 18 21:56:19 <fnordianslip> no. D-DGPS
Jul 18 21:56:25 <lardman> :)
Jul 18 21:56:30 <lardman> big processing task
Jul 18 21:56:54 <RST38bis> lardman: yes. compute from the last 3-5 readings
Jul 18 21:57:07 <fnordianslip> yeah. post processing was always easier
Jul 18 21:57:27 <guenther> So... An external receiver would not be worth it?
Jul 18 21:57:59 <lardman> they are good as they have good battery life & can be stashed somewhere exposed
Jul 18 21:58:15 <lardman> then connected to when needed
Jul 18 21:58:24 * guenther nods
Jul 18 21:58:25 <rm_you> jott: eh? :P
Jul 18 22:03:24 <jott> rm_you: sorry not looked at it yet
Jul 18 22:06:09 <Atarii> rm_you!
Jul 18 22:06:31 <rm_you> :P
Jul 18 22:06:35 <rm_you> Atarii: :P
Jul 18 22:06:38 <Atarii> indeed
Jul 18 22:06:58 <Atarii> so 13-7 works woo
Jul 18 22:07:13 <Atarii> and im a noob tester booo
Jul 18 22:08:45 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 22:09:13 <Atarii> although the graphical bug remains
Jul 18 22:09:59 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, everything about a good external GPS (MTK or SiRF IIIc) is better than the internal.
Jul 18 22:10:16 <Atarii> GeneralAntilles does 13-7 work for you?
Jul 18 22:10:23 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't tried it yet
Jul 18 22:10:26 <GeneralAntilles> Just got back from dinner
Jul 18 22:10:47 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: 0.14-1
Jul 18 22:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, I like the i-Blues a lot
Jul 18 22:10:56 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: Any real life experience? :)
Jul 18 22:11:01 <GeneralAntilles> Anything MTK-based is good these days.
Jul 18 22:11:01 <Atarii> 14-1??!??!?
Jul 18 22:11:05 <Atarii> whats changed?
Jul 18 22:11:07 <rm_you> Atarii: :P
Jul 18 22:11:10 <rm_you> updating changelog now
Jul 18 22:11:12 <guenther> heya General, btw ;)
Jul 18 22:11:22 <GeneralAntilles> Hi. :)
Jul 18 22:11:25 <Atarii> changelog is for non-lazy people
Jul 18 22:11:27 <GeneralAntilles> usuk for being gone for so long. :P
Jul 18 22:11:44 <guenther> yeah...
Jul 18 22:11:46 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, lots of GPS experience with just about everything except the N810.
Jul 18 22:11:55 <guenther> GUADEC, plus a few days of recreation needed ;)
Jul 18 22:12:08 <GeneralAntilles> But, seriously, the N810's internal is about the cheapest chipset imaginable.
Jul 18 22:12:31 <guenther> yeah...
Jul 18 22:13:02 <GeneralAntilles> EVERYTHING is better than it. ;)
Jul 18 22:13:23 <lardman> ...sextant
Jul 18 22:13:24 <guenther> I'm pondering an external one -- preferably rather small. Good accuracy is the main concern, though.
Jul 18 22:13:33 <guenther> lardman: haha :)
Jul 18 22:13:48 <guenther> Go create a map using that device. ;)
Jul 18 22:13:59 <lardman> and a ship full of limes
Jul 18 22:14:10 <GeneralAntilles> i-Blue 747 might be a good choice.
Jul 18 22:14:19 <rm_you> everyone test the -devel 0.14 advanced backlight so i can push it to extras TODAY!
Jul 18 22:14:20 <GeneralAntilles> It has internal point storage
Jul 18 22:14:28 <GeneralAntilles> so you can generate a track without having to involve the tablet.
Jul 18 22:14:44 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jul 18 22:14:45 <Atarii770> win
Jul 18 22:14:50 * rm_you waits for it to show up in devel
Jul 18 22:15:25 <GeneralAntilles> Let's see, hildon-desktop is dead, I've got an infobanner that's just showing a blue i-circle and xterm can't decide if it wants to be windowed or maximized
Jul 18 22:15:26 <GeneralAntilles> fun.
Jul 18 22:15:27 <rm_you> jott: it hurts because it is so close to actually decoding datamatrix, i just know it :P
Jul 18 22:15:40 <rm_you> jott: but i am way too tired at this point to think clearly
Jul 18 22:15:46 <RST38bis> Voters to decide on naming sewage plant for Bush
Jul 18 22:15:56 <RST38bis> hell, yes!
Jul 18 22:16:35 <lbt> ta - I was just ebaying and found the holux 1200 at about £30 - the i-Blue 747 is about £40
Jul 18 22:16:49 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, i-Blue is better.
Jul 18 22:16:49 <Atarii770> how long till it is in devel?
Jul 18 22:17:22 <rm_you> soon
Jul 18 22:17:27 <lbt> wth....
Jul 18 22:17:29 <rm_you> prolly 5 min or less
Jul 18 22:18:00 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: btw, what's that "c" in "SiRF IIIc"? A typo?
Jul 18 22:18:44 <RST38bis> c is a chipset modification
Jul 18 22:18:54 <RST38bis> and it is no mtk.
Jul 18 22:18:58 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, lower consumption
Jul 18 22:19:01 * guenther sighs
Jul 18 22:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> I would just go with MTK. ;0
Jul 18 22:19:13 <GeneralAntilles> s/0/)/
Jul 18 22:19:13 <guenther> I have been googling for these today...
Jul 18 22:19:14 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: I would just go with MTK. ;)
Jul 18 22:19:26 <guenther> Never seen a the "c" variant mentioned though...
Jul 18 22:19:33 * RST38bis suspicious about mtk
Jul 18 22:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> "suspicious"?
Jul 18 22:20:36 <guenther> The "reviews" (or actually, useless blabber) are just confusing me.
Jul 18 22:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=67511
Jul 18 22:20:46 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jul 18 22:20:57 <GeneralAntilles> i-Blue 737, 747, or 757.
Jul 18 22:21:01 <GeneralAntilles> Problem solved. ;)
Jul 18 22:21:49 <guenther> ah, I've seen that one, right...
Jul 18 22:28:08 <RST38bis> does iblue ccall 'em after boeing planes?
Jul 18 22:28:26 <GeneralAntilles> Huh?
Jul 18 22:28:39 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, has andre chatted with you about Garage Tracker -> Bugzilla yet?
Jul 18 22:29:06 <guenther> sure
Jul 18 22:29:11 <guenther> Anything in particular?
Jul 18 22:29:31 <guenther> You know, we're chatting and discussing things outside the channel, too. :-P
Jul 18 22:30:03 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, I know, but I don't know what. ;)
Jul 18 22:30:16 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing in particular, it's just something that I'd really like to see happen
Jul 18 22:30:33 <guenther> yes, me too
Jul 18 22:30:40 <GeneralAntilles> and we probably need to get together about it at some oint.
Jul 18 22:30:47 <guenther> I'm pondering filing maemo-mapper bugs.
Jul 18 22:31:04 <GeneralAntilles> gnuite's hitting the road for the next month or two
Jul 18 22:31:07 <guenther> Or actually, I'm pondering if I really want to use garage tracker... ;)
Jul 18 22:31:10 <GeneralAntilles> probably a poor candidate.
Jul 18 22:31:15 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, well, no.
Jul 18 22:31:23 <GeneralAntilles> You don't want to use the Garage tracker. ;)
Jul 18 22:31:27 <GeneralAntilles> It sucks ass.
Jul 18 22:31:33 <guenther> I know.
Jul 18 22:37:10 <rm_you> shit, lol, 14-1 is broken, 14-2 coming through
Jul 18 22:37:18 <Atarii> lol
Jul 18 22:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, guenther, probably two things that could stand to be poked at in the short term. The template for new bugs (https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:New-bug-mockup.jpg) and adding a couple of search links to the front page for, say, recently filed bugs, recently updated bugs and, maybe, top-ten by number of votes.
Jul 18 22:38:48 <rm_you> Zetx: :)
Jul 18 22:38:52 <Zetx> rm :p
Jul 18 22:38:54 <guenther> hmm
Jul 18 22:39:01 <Zetx> I couldn't find where you nickbeep'd me
Jul 18 22:39:02 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: Why the votes one?
Jul 18 22:39:11 <rm_you> Zetx: LONG time ago
Jul 18 22:39:12 <guenther> I don't want to encourage "me too"s.
Jul 18 22:39:19 <GeneralAntilles> guenth, no particular reason
Jul 18 22:39:28 <Zetx> i figured
Jul 18 22:39:29 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just pulling ideas out of my ass. ;)
Jul 18 22:39:36 <guenther> :)
Jul 18 22:39:51 <rm_you> Zetx: you aren't active enough
Jul 18 22:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> You'll know what would be a better set than I, we just need a set.
Jul 18 22:39:56 <guenther> Adding some *useful* quick searches shouldn't be a problem.
Jul 18 22:39:57 <rm_you> Zetx: port something :)
Jul 18 22:40:00 <Zetx> lol
Jul 18 22:40:01 <Zetx> uhhh
Jul 18 22:40:02 <rm_you> Zetx: maintain something :)
Jul 18 22:40:08 <guenther> Though it can be done easily on a per user basis..
Jul 18 22:40:11 <rm_you> Zetx: document stuff in Wiki :P
Jul 18 22:40:18 <rm_you> Zetx: do bug triage on bugzilla
Jul 18 22:40:43 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, my original thought was to modify the default saved search set.
Jul 18 22:40:44 <Zetx> lol
Jul 18 22:40:49 <guenther> Zetx: File bugs. Triage later. ;-)
Jul 18 22:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> But timely had a good argument against that.
Jul 18 22:41:10 <GeneralAntilles> Just adding a couple of search links to the front page should be good.
Jul 18 22:41:11 <Zetx> lol
Jul 18 22:41:31 <Zetx> yeah, so i want to buy a thinkpad tablet, camera and bluetooth keyboard
Jul 18 22:41:32 <Zetx> ugh
Jul 18 22:41:34 <Zetx> my wallet
Jul 18 22:41:39 <rm_you> Atarii: well, technically 14-1 is only broken for NON-770s :P
Jul 18 22:41:58 <GeneralAntilles> DSLR!
Jul 18 22:42:09 <Zetx> Ant: point & shoot
Jul 18 22:42:23 <guenther> icanthasdslrburgers
Jul 18 22:42:33 <GeneralAntilles> Point and shoot sux.
Jul 18 22:42:57 <rm_you> am I missing something? :P
Jul 18 22:43:03 <guenther> Frankly, all these queries are really easy, and can be explained using a few words only.
Jul 18 22:43:07 <rm_you> also, Comix on n800 is cool :P
Jul 18 22:43:21 <rm_you> oh someone needs to update mediabox for diablo
Jul 18 22:43:23 <guenther> I'd rather like to add something like this to the Bugtriaging wiki pages.
Jul 18 22:43:24 <rm_you> and put it in extras
Jul 18 22:43:28 <rm_you> who is the main dev?
Jul 18 22:43:35 <rm_you> is he/she still around?
Jul 18 22:43:38 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, you see the new bugzilla plugin?
Jul 18 22:43:43 <guenther> By that, users learn how to use the Search.
Jul 18 22:44:22 <guenther> What do you mean?
Jul 18 22:44:31 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, he was just moaning about something stupid on itT
Jul 18 22:44:36 <GeneralAntilles> Master of Gizmo, I think.
Jul 18 22:44:37 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Xfade/test
Jul 18 22:45:00 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bugzilla_Reports
Jul 18 22:45:09 <GeneralAntilles> For some reason ours doesn't look like that yet. . . .
Jul 18 22:45:16 <zap> Are there any special requirements for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26: field? I can't get my icon to display, whatever I do with it
Jul 18 22:45:23 <guenther> wow
Jul 18 22:47:09 <rm_you> zap: uuencode? >_> dunno
Jul 18 22:48:55 <lbt> http://bt747.wiki.sourceforge.net/Manage+iBlue%2C+Qstarz+BT-Q1000+and+iTrek+Z1+GPS+data+loggers+on+Windows%2C+Palm%2C+WinCE%2C+Linux+and+Mac+(opensource)
Jul 18 22:49:11 <lbt> data logger stuff for the iBlue 744
Jul 18 22:49:13 <lbt> 747
Jul 18 22:49:22 <lbt> under linux
Jul 18 22:49:39 <zap> rm_you: I encode into the same place another image, same resolution, same color depth -> it works
Jul 18 22:50:10 <rm_you> jott: whatcha doin? :P
Jul 18 22:51:35 <guenther> I just need a perfect GPS receiver. ;)
Jul 18 22:52:23 <lbt> have to say GeneralAntilles' suggestion of the 747 looks good. Does data logging and BT connection.
Jul 18 22:52:42 <lbt> negs: BT is 1.2, not 2.0 so download is slow (apparently)
Jul 18 22:52:47 <zap> omg, it worked
Jul 18 22:53:02 <lbt> can't datalog and use BT at the same time
Jul 18 22:53:02 <guenther> right
Jul 18 22:53:03 <lbt> (apparently)
Jul 18 22:53:11 <lbt> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=81315&whichpage=1
Jul 18 22:53:28 <guenther> The review mentions "poor plastic" though...
Jul 18 22:53:29 <lbt> and only available from ebay hong-kong :(
Jul 18 22:53:37 <guenther> oh
Jul 18 22:53:42 <guenther> that one is a killer :)
Jul 18 22:53:57 <lbt> which means if it dies you get to bin it since the return postage is usually a joke...
Jul 18 22:54:16 <lbt> OTOH, most modern electronics live forever if they last a week...
Jul 18 22:54:37 <guenther> haha
Jul 18 22:54:37 <lbt> Nah, not a killer. small risk.
Jul 18 22:55:01 <guenther> It's been a while since you bought a HDD, eh? ;-)
Jul 18 22:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> Available from Amazon here. :p
Jul 18 22:55:18 <guenther> Also, I've seen RAM dieing recently...
Jul 18 22:55:27 <lbt> I have 7 RMA-ed 1 Tb disks in a box behind me....
Jul 18 22:55:42 <guenther> nice
Jul 18 22:55:52 <guenther> But they can't be that old. ;)
Jul 18 22:55:54 <lbt> mmm - not the word I'd use...
Jul 18 22:56:04 <lbt> no, they all died within a month
Jul 18 22:56:23 <guenther> oh :/
Jul 18 22:56:32 <guenther> What did you mean by "RMA"?
Jul 18 22:56:48 <churl> Maemo mapper died!!!
Jul 18 22:56:48 <lbt> faulty, they sent me a replacement
Jul 18 22:57:08 <guenther> I see...
Jul 18 22:57:15 <lbt> Samsung may not have the best HDDs
Jul 18 22:57:22 <guenther> Let me take back the "nice". ;)
Jul 18 22:57:27 <lbt> but in the UK they're the only one to do advance replacement
Jul 18 22:57:44 <lbt> nah - no data loss (I do linux-raid in another life)
Jul 18 22:58:10 <lbt> all for the MythTV box.... <sigh>
Jul 18 22:58:44 <guenther> hmm
Jul 18 22:58:57 <guenther> You had the disk returned 7 times?
Jul 18 22:59:14 <lbt> I have 9 disks...
Jul 18 22:59:17 <guenther> Or actually all in the video box?
Jul 18 22:59:30 <lbt> well, 5 in one box, 4 in another
Jul 18 22:59:45 <GreyFoxx> lbt: Gotta keep the recordings safe :)
Jul 18 22:59:52 <lbt> absolutely
Jul 18 23:00:02 <GeneralAntilles> 1TB drives are getting cheap
Jul 18 23:00:12 <lbt> yup <£100 each
Jul 18 23:00:14 <guenther> So you started collecting videos that will last until you retire? ;)
Jul 18 23:00:24 <GreyFoxx> With 1TB drives coming down I'm tempted to merge my slave backend into a single master
Jul 18 23:00:31 <lbt> we have TV shows from 3 years ago
Jul 18 23:00:38 <GreyFoxx> 1 less box to heat my house :)
Jul 18 23:00:58 <lbt> yes - that's another good thing about them - more storage, less heat/power
Jul 18 23:00:59 <GeneralAntilles> My 7 drives total up to only 1.4TB
Jul 18 23:01:40 <lbt> if $ not an issue then you get 3x1Tb, more space and resilience, and less heat
Jul 18 23:02:26 <lbt> And they also store the NFS roots for all the frontends (Bedroom, lounge, bathroom)
Jul 18 23:02:46 <lbt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/
Jul 18 23:02:48 <lbt> :D
Jul 18 23:03:11 <GreyFoxx> heh yeah
Jul 18 23:03:29 <guenther> bathroom frontend...
Jul 18 23:03:46 <lbt> it was mrs lbt who wanted it....
Jul 18 23:03:51 <lbt> I said no
Jul 18 23:03:55 <guenther> WOW
Jul 18 23:03:58 <lbt> clearly she won
Jul 18 23:03:59 <GreyFoxx> That's yours? I've seen that photo before
Jul 18 23:04:04 <lbt> it is
Jul 18 23:04:05 <guenther> That's yours?
Jul 18 23:04:30 <guenther> That's actually pretty cool.
Jul 18 23:04:34 <lbt> GreyFoxx: I used to do more on myth users - I setup the original wiki...
Jul 18 23:04:35 <GreyFoxx> cool
Jul 18 23:04:45 <guenther> And makes a whole more sense for the tub than... say, the loo.
Jul 18 23:04:58 <lbt> it's a £50 Dell from eBay in the loft
Jul 18 23:05:08 <lbt> and a super cheap LCD
Jul 18 23:05:12 <GreyFoxx> lbt: ahh the one that got moved to wiki.mythtv.org
Jul 18 23:05:18 <lbt> indeed...
Jul 18 23:05:28 <GreyFoxx> <<-- one of the crazy people with commit to mythtv
Jul 18 23:05:43 <lbt> hello
Jul 18 23:05:45 <lbt> :)
Jul 18 23:06:08 <lbt> so you've seen mythtomer then?
Jul 18 23:06:21 <GreyFoxx> I'm writing in support for dvd changers and streaming them from the backend. So my 200disc dvd changer in the basement (firewire connected) can be streamed to any remote FE
Jul 18 23:06:43 <lbt> nice...
Jul 18 23:06:56 <lbt> I still walk over and stick it in the slot...
Jul 18 23:07:01 <GreyFoxx> lbt: Not yet. Still waiting for a working N810 to arrive :/
Jul 18 23:07:06 <GreyFoxx> the first wouldn't power up
Jul 18 23:07:15 <lbt> :(
Jul 18 23:07:36 <lbt> mythtomer is a nice idea - needs to be much smarter though
Jul 18 23:07:57 <GreyFoxx> my first project with the n810 was gonna be a remote using the telnet interface to the FE. But if someone already has one started, then cool :)
Jul 18 23:08:02 <lbt> adaptive to what myth is doing at the moment...
Jul 18 23:08:18 <lbt> yes indeed - but he seems to do it by simulating X events...
Jul 18 23:08:41 <lbt> which is ...... interesting
Jul 18 23:08:50 <GreyFoxx> heh ah a little odd :)
Jul 18 23:08:59 <lbt> but it's a bit like X10 .... too stateless
Jul 18 23:08:59 <GreyFoxx> at least with the avialability of the telnet controls
Jul 18 23:18:56 <lbt> bought a 747 :)
Jul 18 23:19:02 <lbt> 'night all ...
Jul 18 23:19:03 <pppoe_dude> hello. quick question about the n810 and GPS. Do I need a subscription to get maps?
Jul 18 23:19:08 <pppoe_dude> and also, are there alternatives
Jul 18 23:19:35 <guenther> subscription?
Jul 18 23:20:02 <guenther> The "map" application that comes with the n810 features free maps.
Jul 18 23:20:20 <pppoe_dude> guenther, ok that's what i was wondering
Jul 18 23:20:35 <guenther> You only need to pay for additional services, like navigation.
Jul 18 23:20:39 <pppoe_dude> europe and north america included?
Jul 18 23:20:51 <pppoe_dude> guenther, you mean driving directions and such?
Jul 18 23:20:55 <guenther> yes
Jul 18 23:21:05 <pppoe_dude> ok
Jul 18 23:21:10 <guenther> Europe is split up in separate maps.
Jul 18 23:21:25 <guenther> Usually a country, sometimes more than one.
Jul 18 23:21:37 <Atarii> rm_you
Jul 18 23:21:55 <pppoe_dude> guenther, ok but all included with the map application?
Jul 18 23:22:04 <guenther> pppoe_dude: Any particular country? I could check the available maps...
Jul 18 23:22:12 <rm_you> Atarii:
Jul 18 23:22:22 <pppoe_dude> guenther, well right now i'm thinking UK and canada
Jul 18 23:22:26 <Atarii> so 14-2 installs and works fine, but has no icon
Jul 18 23:22:35 <guenther> Separate download required for most of them. But it is free.
Jul 18 23:22:35 <Atarii> apart from when volume is 0
Jul 18 23:22:46 <rm_you> Atarii: working on it
Jul 18 23:22:46 <pppoe_dude> guenther, ok that answers my question thanskl!
Jul 18 23:22:49 <rm_you> Atarii: what theme
Jul 18 23:22:55 <Atarii> hildon
Jul 18 23:22:56 <guenther> Also, there s maemo-mapper (using images, no vectors), but it is cool.
Jul 18 23:22:59 <rm_you> Atarii: yeah
Jul 18 23:23:03 <rm_you> Atarii: give me a minute
Jul 18 23:23:08 <rm_you> found more bugs
Jul 18 23:23:12 <Atarii> infacy
Jul 18 23:23:14 <Atarii> all themes
Jul 18 23:23:15 <rm_you> 14-3 should be there soon
Jul 18 23:23:24 <rm_you> Default should work :/
Jul 18 23:23:36 <pppoe_dude> guenther, like aerial view?
Jul 18 23:23:41 <Atarii> no its the same, no icon apart from when volume is 0
Jul 18 23:23:52 <Atarii> brightness works like a charm though :)
Jul 18 23:24:01 <pppoe_dude> guenther, also, would you know how the n810's gps compares with the nokia n95;s?
Jul 18 23:24:01 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 23:24:03 <rm_you> i just can't win
Jul 18 23:24:06 <Atarii> lol
Jul 18 23:24:10 <guenther> Canada, UK & Ireland -- available for map
Jul 18 23:24:24 <guenther> aerial view?
Jul 18 23:24:32 <Atarii> is brightness "0" visible on 770/n800 in bright sunlight?
Jul 18 23:24:33 <pppoe_dude> guenther, oh never mind about that
Jul 18 23:24:41 <GAN800> Yes, Maemo Mapper can use satelite maps.
Jul 18 23:24:41 <guenther> Well, maemo-mapper can use bitmap based maps.
Jul 18 23:24:51 <pppoe_dude> guenther, yes i thought you meant aerial photos :)
Jul 18 23:25:00 <GAN800> Atarii, not really.
Jul 18 23:25:01 <guenther> Google (Satellite, Street, etc), OpenstreetMap.org, ...
Jul 18 23:26:19 <guenther> Personally, I love mapper.
Jul 18 23:26:54 <guenther> Populating maps can be a little bit work to get in a lot of resolutions, but it is just great.
Jul 18 23:26:59 <pppoe_dude> im really conflicted between n810 and n95
Jul 18 23:27:09 <pppoe_dude> n810 is sweet coz it's linux and it has keyboard
Jul 18 23:27:15 <guenther> Really nice and clean view, because it is not rendered.
Jul 18 23:27:20 <pppoe_dude> n95 is sweet because i can get it real cheap
Jul 18 23:27:26 <guenther> heh
Jul 18 23:27:36 <guenther> The display isn't the same either. ;)
Jul 18 23:27:43 <GAN800> N810 is down to $299
Jul 18 23:27:49 <pppoe_dude> GAN800, ? where from
Jul 18 23:27:55 <Knirch> pppoe_dude: n95 or n95 8GB ? :)
Jul 18 23:27:56 <GAN800> CompUSA
Jul 18 23:27:57 <guenther> The n810 display just rocks"
Jul 18 23:28:01 <pppoe_dude> Knirch, n95
Jul 18 23:28:05 <Knirch> pppoe_dude: :(
Jul 18 23:28:12 <rm_you> Atarii: OK, so *NOW* a new version is going to -devel that should be fixed
Jul 18 23:28:28 <Atarii> 14-3
Jul 18 23:28:29 <Atarii> ?
Jul 18 23:28:30 <pppoe_dude> i think i wanna get the n810, but so far i can only find it for around $400 with shipping in canada
Jul 18 23:28:30 <rm_you> I really hope no one upgraded to the 14-1 in extras <_< 14-3 will be there soon
Jul 18 23:28:33 <rm_you> yes
Jul 18 23:28:42 <Knirch> (why nokia didn't rename it is beyond me, the difference between coworkers n95 and gfs n95 8GB is night and day)
Jul 18 23:29:03 <jahor> GAN800: my n810 is down all the time... but not becouse the price, because its randomly rebooting ;(
Jul 18 23:29:23 <pppoe_dude> GAN800, do they ship to .ca?
Jul 18 23:29:49 <GAN800> jahor, then something is broken.
Jul 18 23:30:07 <GAN800> jahor, I'm gonna call it a corrupt internal card.
Jul 18 23:30:27 <GAN800> pppoe_dude, doubtful. Road trip?
Jul 18 23:30:29 <jahor> GAN800: it looks so. i reformated the internal flash, did a reflash, but after diablo upgrade it's not stable
Jul 18 23:30:59 <pppoe_dude> GAN800, :S
Jul 18 23:31:09 <GAN800> Something you installed, then.
Jul 18 23:31:18 <jahor> GAN800: but it's not only rebooting.... response to lock key/fullscreen key is sometime realy realy slow and keyboard is sometime not working at all
Jul 18 23:32:08 <jahor> GAN800: vanilla diablo. nothing special installed. i will try chinook againe to tray if it's problem only with diablo.
Jul 18 23:36:51 * guenther feels like taking mapper out for walk
Jul 18 23:36:55 <guenther> later guys
Jul 18 23:40:28 <zap> what the application manager will do if an app depends on a virtual package, and there are two packages providing it?
Jul 18 23:41:11 <rm_you> zap: give an error and return
Jul 18 23:41:50 <sp3000> tested or guessed or documented?
Jul 18 23:43:04 <lcuk> rm_you, go to bed mate
Jul 18 23:43:11 <rm_you> soon
Jul 18 23:43:17 <rm_you> gotta wait to push this to extras
Jul 18 23:43:23 <lcuk> i thought i was bad sleep pattern wise
Jul 18 23:43:35 <rm_you> i do 24 awake -> 14 asleep
Jul 18 23:43:38 <rm_you> and loop.
Jul 18 23:43:38 <lcuk> like i had to compile last night :)
Jul 18 23:44:04 <lcuk> i used to drift like that :) lock yourself onto a time and stick to it or you wont get a job :P
Jul 18 23:44:10 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 23:45:09 <lcuk> my algorithm for barcodes was wrong, but ive got a testbed now that i can draw over the top of the image :)
Jul 18 23:45:29 <rm_you> i am still sad that that datamatrix code is so close and i can't finish it
Jul 18 23:45:32 <lcuk> unfortunately ive had to drag the rest of liqbase in to do it ;)
Jul 18 23:45:33 <rm_you> i can barely think
Jul 18 23:45:41 <rm_you> i just pushed a BROKEN package to extras >_>
Jul 18 23:45:51 <lcuk> oh no, whats wrong with it?
Jul 18 23:45:52 <rm_you> so i hafta wait for this to build and push before i can sleep
Jul 18 23:46:13 <rm_you> lcuk: oh, well, just that the advanced backlight applet doesn't, in this particular release, CHANGE THE BACKLIGHT LEVEL.
Jul 18 23:46:27 <lcuk> hahaha
Jul 18 23:46:34 <rm_you> the slider moves nicely from side to side though :P
Jul 18 23:46:37 <rm_you> completely lag free!
Jul 18 23:46:44 <lcuk> :D
Jul 18 23:46:54 <rm_you> and SOMETIMES it even displays the correct icon!
Jul 18 23:46:57 * rm_you kries
Jul 18 23:46:59 <lcuk> thats like making rice pudding and forgetting the rice :D
Jul 18 23:47:12 <rm_you> it works on 770! :P
Jul 18 23:47:15 <lcuk> (my nana did that once :D)
Jul 18 23:47:16 <lcuk> PMSL
Jul 18 23:47:29 <rm_you> it works ONLY on the platform it never worked on before
Jul 18 23:47:30 <rm_you> lol
Jul 18 23:47:45 <rm_you> i forgot to remove the test code that forced it to the 770 update mode <_<
Jul 18 23:48:01 <rm_you> I blame GeneralAntilles for the hell of it :P
Jul 18 23:48:17 <Atarii> having a slider that moves and does nothing? now you know how we feel!
Jul 18 23:48:23 <Atarii> felt* :p
Jul 18 23:48:25 * GAN800 shakes his fist at rm_you.
Jul 18 23:49:42 <lcuk> GAN800, :) well done
Jul 18 23:53:09 <rm_you> gah that datamatrix stuff is just sitting there taunting me
Jul 18 23:53:36 <rm_you> ok, one more shot
Jul 18 23:54:38 <rm_you> libdmtx0 is in extras now BTW if you want to test :P
Jul 18 23:54:56 <rm_you> with the whole nothing it will do as it crashes
Jul 18 23:58:08 <rm_you> Atarii: 14-3?
Jul 18 23:58:13 <rm_you> works GREAT on my end
Jul 18 23:58:30 <rm_you> oh, didnt make it to chinook yet
Jul 18 23:58:33 <rm_you> ... wtf
Jul 18 23:59:04 <GAN800> lol
Jul 18 23:59:27 <Atarii> its here
Jul 19 00:00:58 <rm_you> GAN770: ?
Jul 19 00:02:02 <GAN800> <_<
Jul 19 00:02:08 <GAN800> One sec
Jul 19 00:02:57 <GAN800> I guess I need to put some info on the website for the 770
Jul 19 00:03:11 <GAN800> changelog in the deb in good shape?
Jul 19 00:03:16 <rm_you> i updated it a bit
Jul 19 00:03:19 <Atarii> works great
Jul 19 00:03:21 <rm_you> look at it first
Jul 19 00:03:29 <rm_you> most of the stuff should be there
Jul 19 00:03:39 <Atarii> i needed to reload via "Panels" in control panel for it to show
Jul 19 00:03:40 * rm_you was very bored waiting three times for the autobuilder
Jul 19 00:04:08 <rm_you> GAN800: oh, need to update the links to point to -3
Jul 19 00:04:13 <rm_you> thats pretty much it
Jul 19 00:04:41 <GAN800> Installing. . . .
Jul 19 00:06:54 <GAN800> Yeah, it's fine.
Jul 19 00:08:13 <rm_you> 770 and N800?
Jul 19 00:09:29 <GAN800> Yeah, fine.
Jul 19 00:13:01 <rm_you> great.
Jul 19 00:13:04 <rm_you> AWESOME.
Jul 19 00:13:11 <Atarii> congrats
Jul 19 00:13:13 <rm_you> *SPEC-FREAKING-TACULAR*
Jul 19 00:13:15 <rm_you> I
Jul 19 00:13:16 <rm_you> am
Jul 19 00:13:18 <rm_you> going
Jul 19 00:13:19 <rm_you> to sleep
Jul 19 00:13:38 <GAN800> lukz
Jul 19 00:30:53 <GeneralAntilles> . . .
Jul 19 00:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> Garage Tracker is so bad
Jul 19 00:31:06 <GeneralAntilles> Is there no way to delete custom field items?
Jul 19 00:47:23 <derf> Of course, I get off work, and they all go to bed.
Jul 19 00:59:04 <GeneralAntilles> Garage iz ded
Jul 19 01:07:55 <lcdd> how to stop kernel from running 'modprobe -q -- usb0' every second after I unplug phone from computer?
Jul 19 01:16:12 <lcdd> i wouldn't care if it didn't use 5-50% of cpu time to no end
Jul 19 01:27:23 <F-i-G> hi
Jul 19 01:27:29 <F-i-G> I need some help with flashing my new N810 using OS X
Jul 19 01:27:32 <F-i-G> I'm really confused
Jul 19 01:27:39 <F-i-G> I downloaded the latest Diablo update
Jul 19 01:27:44 <F-i-G> I can't find any helpful instructions
Jul 19 01:28:54 <johnx> F-i-G, https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 19 01:28:57 <johnx> :)
Jul 19 01:29:33 <GAN800> ~flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 19 01:29:35 <infobot> ...but flashing is already something else...
Jul 19 01:29:44 <johnx> ~flashing
Jul 19 01:29:45 <infobot> well, flashing is covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 19 01:30:17 <GAN800> That article title sucks.
Jul 19 01:30:29 <GAN800> It implies using SSU now, too.
Jul 19 01:30:29 <johnx> yeah, it has no love from google
Jul 19 01:31:07 <GAN800> 'Flashing' might work.
Jul 19 01:31:29 <F-i-G> ugh
Jul 19 01:31:32 <F-i-G> this is sooo confusing
Jul 19 01:31:32 <F-i-G> ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
Jul 19 01:31:32 <F-i-G> ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: `<html>
Jul 19 01:31:44 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 01:31:45 <F-i-G> i suck
Jul 19 01:31:52 <GAN800> Just use 770flasher. :/
Jul 19 01:31:57 <F-i-G> I tried
Jul 19 01:32:08 <F-i-G> It wouldn't recognize the usb device
Jul 19 01:32:22 <F-i-G> sudo ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Jul 19 01:32:22 <F-i-G> ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
Jul 19 01:32:22 <F-i-G> ./flasher-2.0.macosx: line 2: `<html>'
Jul 19 01:32:24 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 01:32:25 <F-i-G> I suck
Jul 19 01:32:32 <GAN800> Did you follow the instructions?
Jul 19 01:32:34 <F-i-G> I sure did
Jul 19 01:32:38 <F-i-G> to the T
Jul 19 01:33:11 <johnx> I think something happened when you copied and pasted :)
Jul 19 01:33:28 <johnx> try just typing the command out by hand
Jul 19 01:34:15 <wiza> there could be also something said in the wiki that it only works on PPC macs
Jul 19 01:34:35 <GAN800> wiza, no, because that would be a lie.
Jul 19 01:34:55 <wiza> which is weird since most of the macs I currently ran into are all intel macs, might be something to do with the fact that apple only sells intel macs
Jul 19 01:34:55 <GAN800> Like I told you the last time, Safari mangles the download sometimes.
Jul 19 01:35:10 <wiza> umm, I tried it, it just wont work
Jul 19 01:35:14 <F-i-G> damn
Jul 19 01:35:16 <GAN800> wiza, it's not weird, the binary was corrupted
Jul 19 01:35:16 <F-i-G> same thing
Jul 19 01:35:20 <wiza> says that wrong cpu type stuff
Jul 19 01:35:30 <F-i-G> argh
Jul 19 01:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> wiza, like I said
Jul 19 01:35:56 <GeneralAntilles> The binary is corrupted
Jul 19 01:36:11 <GeneralAntilles> Thousands and thousands of people use flasher-2.0 just fine under Rosetta
Jul 19 01:36:15 <GeneralAntilles> Including me.
Jul 19 01:36:19 <wiza> aah
Jul 19 01:36:36 <GeneralAntilles> F-i-G, just use 770Flasher.
Jul 19 01:36:37 <F-i-G> ok guys
Jul 19 01:36:39 <F-i-G> what's the home button?
Jul 19 01:36:41 <F-i-G> I just got this
Jul 19 01:36:42 <F-i-G> so
Jul 19 01:36:52 <F-i-G> says to turn it on while holding the home button
Jul 19 01:37:02 <GeneralAntilles> If you don't know where the Home button is, then you didn't follow the instruction "to the T"
Jul 19 01:37:11 <F-i-G> you're right
Jul 19 01:37:12 <F-i-G> so
Jul 19 01:37:14 <F-i-G> where's the home button?
Jul 19 01:37:21 <GeneralAntilles> It's the lowest button on the front
Jul 19 01:37:25 <GeneralAntilles> two overlapping rectangles.
Jul 19 01:37:56 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody want to volunteer to upload the Swap and Home key pictograms onto the wiki?
Jul 19 01:43:05 <GeneralAntilles> If anybody is up for a laugh: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204681&postcount=55
Jul 19 01:47:14 <F-i-G> hey guys
Jul 19 01:47:25 <F-i-G> Any idea how to see what vers of the firmware i'm running?
Jul 19 01:47:33 <F-i-G> just wanna be sure everything went thru etc
Jul 19 01:48:06 <GAN800> If it rebooted, it's fine.
Jul 19 01:48:17 <Dekaritae> http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3408772&sku=N529-1156&srkey=n810
Jul 19 01:48:23 <F-i-G> :)
Jul 19 02:05:55 <budman> anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo?
Jul 19 02:14:51 <F-i-G> haven't tried
Jul 19 02:14:54 <F-i-G> I just got one
Jul 19 02:14:55 <F-i-G> one sec
Jul 19 02:14:56 <F-i-G> lemme try
Jul 19 02:21:32 <GAN800> johnx, your avatar is perfect for that thread.
Jul 19 02:22:00 <johnx> I think it adds a feeling of piece and tranquility to an emotional situation :)
Jul 19 02:22:07 <johnx> s/piece/peace
Jul 19 02:22:08 <johnx> whatever
Jul 19 02:22:48 <johnx> I half wanted to just type "lulwut?" and leave it at that
Jul 19 02:22:55 <GAN800> I love the 'submersion cooler PC' bit.
Jul 19 02:23:09 <GAN800> That's the cherry on the beautiful ice cream sunday.
Jul 19 02:23:13 <johnx> "installs operating systems for a living"
Jul 19 02:23:27 <GAN800> Wow, you work at Best Buy?
Jul 19 02:23:48 <johnx> that or he's a junior windows tech at some company
Jul 19 02:23:55 <GAN800> Damn, what do they pay you $8, $10 an hour?
Jul 19 02:28:19 <Grackle> What thread is this?
Jul 19 02:28:43 <johnx> "Does diablo support A2DP?" or similar
Jul 19 02:28:51 <johnx> the link is in the scrollback
Jul 19 02:29:26 <GAN800> I like blacknight's crosspostings between the lists and itT
Jul 19 02:29:48 <guenther> F-i-G: You probably figured it out already, but...
Jul 19 02:30:22 <guenther> The "home" button s the *top*most button (unlike GAN told you, hey General ;-) on the front.
Jul 19 02:30:33 <guenther> Without sliding out the keyboard.
Jul 19 02:30:45 <guenther> The overlapping "window" rectangles.
Jul 19 02:31:26 <lcuk> cant we get a picture of an 800 and 810 with a big highlighted area for the home key of both?
Jul 19 02:31:28 <GAN800> Right, right, they're inverted from the N800.
Jul 19 02:31:40 <GAN800> lcuk, I said pictograms for the wiki
Jul 19 02:31:45 <lcuk> link it when someone asks what key
Jul 19 02:31:50 <GAN800> Like they have in the manual.
Jul 19 02:31:56 <lcuk> yes
Jul 19 02:32:11 <guenther> F-i-G: Settings / Control Panel / About Product
Jul 19 02:32:12 <GAN800> Better to solve it at the source.
Jul 19 02:32:24 <guenther> that's ^^ where to see the version
Jul 19 02:32:43 <guenther> diablo == 4.2008.23-14
Jul 19 02:32:50 <lcuk> do you always wanna dig into the box and grab the notes for things?  if it makes life simpler - they are here asking already
Jul 19 02:33:06 * lcuk looks for pics
Jul 19 02:33:47 <guenther> GAN800: frankly, the "hold home button" seriously confused me, too...
Jul 19 02:33:55 <guenther> it changed place and icon
Jul 19 02:34:01 <GAN800> guenther, lol
Jul 19 02:35:30 <GAN800> The pictogram should be on the device somewhere.
Jul 19 02:35:48 <guenther> It's not... :/
Jul 19 02:35:59 <GAN800> er, software-wise
Jul 19 02:36:09 <GAN800> It's in the manual pages.
Jul 19 02:36:10 <guenther> The first googlinh hits told me about "looks like a home"...
Jul 19 02:36:23 <guenther> That's N800.
Jul 19 02:36:42 <guenther> The N810 does show the overlapping window rectangles only.
Jul 19 02:37:03 <GAN800> Right, which is why we need to pull the pictogram off the device from the Help pages to stick in the wiki.
Jul 19 02:37:09 <guenther> Also, I glimpsed the manual PDF.
Jul 19 02:37:15 <GAN800> Yes, I know. ;)
Jul 19 02:37:18 <guenther> Didn't find it in there.
Jul 19 02:37:44 <guenther> 2 minutes of googling more proofed to be better results ;)
Jul 19 02:37:47 <Grackle> Okay, that guy is indeed a bit of a rambling idiot, but I would agree with what he's getting at about the Nokia IT's not being terribly useful for the average noob.
Jul 19 02:37:49 <GAN800> Well, somebody open up InkScape and pen one up.
Jul 19 02:38:04 <GAN800> Grackle, bs
Jul 19 02:38:16 <GAN800> Lots of nubs use them just fine.
Jul 19 02:38:23 <Proteous> damn n000000000bs
Jul 19 02:38:31 <GAN800> They're great browser/IM/solitaire machines.
Jul 19 02:38:53 <GAN800> But that argument has been played out a thousand times.
Jul 19 02:39:03 <GAN800> See itT for details.
Jul 19 02:39:04 <Grackle> They're passable browser/IM/solitaire machines.
Jul 19 02:39:16 * guenther takes a "home button" note
Jul 19 02:39:25 <Proteous> vnc and ssh in my pocket!!
Jul 19 02:39:32 <Proteous> server admin on the go
Jul 19 02:39:34 <GAN800> Grackle, passable compared to what, exactly.
Jul 19 02:39:43 <Proteous> IN MY POCKET MAN!!
Jul 19 02:39:49 <Proteous> don't forget that part
Jul 19 02:39:55 <GAN800> My sister's a nub, she uses hers all the time.
Jul 19 02:40:09 <ricko73> don't feed the troll...
Jul 19 02:40:25 <Proteous> NOM NOM NOM NOM
Jul 19 02:41:01 <johnx> hey cool, earthquake
Jul 19 02:41:20 <GAN800> woo
Jul 19 02:41:25 <Proteous> where?
Jul 19 02:41:33 <GAN800> Hide under the ceiling fan!
Jul 19 02:41:51 <johnx> GAN800, damn! I need to turn it on first or it won't help
Jul 19 02:41:56 <Grackle> Me? I'm not trying to troll. I have an N800 and I think it's a pretty neat device, but I'm quite painfully aware that it is difficult to use without the stylus, the RSS reader doesn't fit nicely on the screen, flash support is terribly flaky, and many applications and features are pretty ugly.
Jul 19 02:42:01 <johnx> Proteous, here :)
Jul 19 02:42:22 <Proteous> *groan*
Jul 19 02:46:38 <Luria> nub nub nub
Jul 19 02:46:41 <Luria> hmmm
Jul 19 02:46:55 <guenther> Proteous: japan ;)
Jul 19 02:47:26 <Proteous> :P
Jul 19 02:48:03 * johnx waits for the quake to show up in the usual places online, wonders if maybe it was just a passing truck
Jul 19 02:48:40 <GAN800> lol
Jul 19 02:49:19 <GAN800> we had a small quake one time here, my mother was yelling at my sister to stop jumping in the bed.
Jul 19 02:49:27 <Grackle> haha
Jul 19 02:49:35 <budman> anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo?
Jul 19 02:49:38 <GAN800> s/in/on/
Jul 19 02:49:39 <infobot> GAN800 meant: we had a small quake one time here, my mother was yellong at my sister to stop jumping in the bed.
Jul 19 02:50:00 <GAN800> gj, infobot
Jul 19 02:50:05 <johnx> budman, what do you mean "updating"? getting a new version?
Jul 19 02:50:15 <GAN800> ~slap infobot
Jul 19 02:50:16 * infobot slaps infobot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Jul 19 02:50:39 <johnx> infobot, stop hitting yourself
Jul 19 02:50:39 * infobot leaps to his feet and stops hitting yourself
Jul 19 02:50:44 <Grackle> Speaking of passing trucks, the southbound section of the interstate passing through my area (I-95) is shut down for reconstruction. All the traffic is detoured onto route 201, which is the road I live on. That's an additional 1500 cars per hour at 45mph. Wheee.
Jul 19 02:50:55 <guenther> HAHA
Jul 19 02:51:10 <GAN800> Throw rocks at the cars.
Jul 19 02:51:11 <guenther> GAN800: An RE applies once. First match. ;-)
Jul 19 02:51:41 <Grackle> hahah yellong *just read up*
Jul 19 02:51:44 <GAN800> He should be cool and assume whole word for irc.
Jul 19 02:51:51 <lcuk> Grackle, take a lawn chair out. sit near the road and point a hair dryer at the cars.
Jul 19 02:51:58 <Grackle> haha lcuk
Jul 19 02:52:07 <Grackle> There are already assloads of cops
Jul 19 02:52:15 <Grackle> But... That would be amusing.
Jul 19 02:52:30 <GAN800> Grackle gets to have his picture taken tonight!
Jul 19 02:52:55 <lcuk> and a lovely trip "down town"
Jul 19 02:53:28 <Grackle> Mhmm.
Jul 19 02:53:58 * GAN800 really hates the harsh orange toolbar in bugzilla.
Jul 19 02:55:25 <guenther> GAN800: just add a space if you mean words :)
Jul 19 02:55:34 * guenther sighs
Jul 19 02:55:53 <guenther> yeah, the branding isn't my preferred color either
Jul 19 02:56:15 <GAN800> Yes, guenther, I know how to use it, I'm lazy and on a finger keyboard here, though. :P
Jul 19 02:56:36 <guenther> heh
Jul 19 02:56:38 <GAN800> It's irrelevant now, though, as it'll all be changing soon enough.
Jul 19 02:56:45 <guenther> You're dealing with a dumb bot.
Jul 19 02:56:50 <guenther> Keep that in mind. ;)
Jul 19 02:56:59 <Grackle> So, random subject.. I rebuilt my laptop battery with larger cells and an extra chain of batteries (it was originally 3 2200mAh cells, now I have two series chains of 2600mAh cells in parallel). I wonder if it's possible to modify the battery's controller to have it report the new configuration.
Jul 19 02:57:43 <Grackle> GAN800, I've gotta say, I'm impressed by your abilities with that keyboard.
Jul 19 02:57:51 <Grackle> That's the N800 onscreen keyboard, right?
Jul 19 02:57:54 <GAN800> Maybe three steps towards white wouldn't hurt, though. . . . (like the wiki mainpage)
Jul 19 02:58:01 <GAN800> Yeah
Jul 19 02:58:16 <johnx> woo! usgs got me the quake info. It was a 6.6 off the coast O_o
Jul 19 02:58:18 <GAN800> I've been practicing since the middle of 2006
Jul 19 02:58:19 <Grackle> Cool.
Jul 19 02:58:29 <Grackle> wow johnx
Jul 19 02:58:32 <derf> Also, GA talks a lot.
Jul 19 02:58:36 <Grackle> haha
Jul 19 02:58:50 <Grackle> irc taught me to type fast >.>;
Jul 19 02:59:02 <guenther> nice speed with the device :)
Jul 19 02:59:03 <GAN800> derf, gotta whore for that discount code. ;)
Jul 19 02:59:11 <derf> GAN800: Damn straight.
Jul 19 02:59:26 <guenther> Anyway, I really should get some sleep. Later folks...
Jul 19 02:59:33 <GAN800> night
Jul 19 02:59:35 <johnx> 'night guenther
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